Ukraine Mystery: Schiff Staffer Made August Trip for Think Tank Employed by Hunter Biden’s Old Employer

A staffer for Rep. Adam Schiff’s House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence took a trip to Ukraine last month sponsored and organized by the Atlantic Council think tank.
The Atlantic Council is funded by and routinely works in partnership with Burisma, the natural gas company at the center of allegations regarding Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.
The Schiff staffer, Thomas Eager, is also currently one of 19 fellows at the Atlantic Council’s Eurasia Congressional Fellowship, a bipartisan program that says it “educates congressional staff on current events in the Eurasia region.”

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1 Don't Mind Li'l Ol' Me...

Posted by: Fmr. Fed. Chair Alan Greenspan at October 01, 2019 01:29 PM (Ckg4U)

2 1

Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 01, 2019 01:29 PM (ECrgQ)

3 Dang

Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 01, 2019 01:29 PM (ECrgQ)

4 *stupid sock*

Posted by: Slapweasel, H.M.F.I.C., Slapweasel Industries at October 01, 2019 01:29 PM (Ckg4U)

5 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 01:29 PM (q80AH)

6 4 *stupid sock*
Posted by: Slapweasel, H.M.F.I.C., Slapweasel Industries at October 01, 2019 01:29 PM (Ckg4U)

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No credit for first!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 01:30 PM (q80AH)

7 th!

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 01, 2019 01:30 PM (ueP5K)

8 I am still down in the grass ass thread

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 01, 2019 01:30 PM (flINI)

9 Uh, am I missing something, or did Ace have a stroke while typing in the link?

Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2019 01:31 PM (zCpUM)

10 did anyone call "nood" yet?

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 01, 2019 01:31 PM (ueP5K)

11 That bobblehead Schiff is the nexus

Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2019 01:31 PM (KNsKs)

12 Grab ass

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 01, 2019 01:31 PM (flINI)

13 No!

This is my shocked face!!

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (oGBso)

14 Ace is sending out a secret message.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (xfb67)

15 "did anyone call "nood" yet?"
-Posted by: redc1c4 at October 01, 2019 01:31 PM (ueP5K)

Yup.

Posted by: Slapweasel, H.M.F.I.C., Slapweasel Industries at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (Ckg4U)

16 Wasn't there a season of Dexter where Schiff was the villain?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (FNXDu)

17 Timing of the first and alleged post looks off.

Posted by: Someguy at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (k3a3F)

18 Gosh, what a coincidence!!

Also, where is Hunter Biden and why is the MSM not camped out on his front lawn?!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (bDqIh)

19 This is a massive operation to protect the Left's "Chocolate Jesus" and the "The Mean and Viscous Old Hag".

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (qM84C)

20 I like the cut of this Schiff fellow's jib.

Posted by: Frank Underwood at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (zCpUM)

21 Timing of the first and alleged post looks off.

Posted by: Someguy at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (k3a3F)

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there is no time machine...

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (ueP5K)

22 also, the ICIG split some hairs...the form wasn't changed, see...just the rules surrounding the form. So, the whistelblower used the old form, but the IG silently changed the rules on 2nd hand info.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (FEQY4)

23 Also, where is Hunter Biden and why is the MSM not camped out on his front lawn?!
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*snooooooorrrrrrrt*

Huh? Wha?

Posted by: Hunter Biden at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (vg8iE)

24

Al Franken: Sorry I came in your mouth baby! Wanna have a drink tonight?

Sirius XM: Well... Okay...

Posted by: Al Franken at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (UFLLM)

25 yeah, I really am starting to think this is going to blow up epically on the dems.

don't kill my hope.

I think it's going to be big enough even the LIVs are going to get it...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (8D42x)

26

AFP -Impeachment probe head Adam Schiff: soft-spoken bulldog

It's a hagiography masquerading as a news story. The North Korean media isn't biased as the MFM

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (1SewP)

27 Ukraine is a good place to shop for new-old-stock radiation detectors, geiger tubes, vacuum tubes and so forth. Those guys love nuclear technology, or did at one time. Apparently it's a good place to buy politicians and political influence too.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 01:34 PM (mk9aG)

28 so, another straight shooter?

Posted by: micky at October 01, 2019 01:34 PM (nizGE)

29 My question looks to be a good one: "Who in Washington DC including politicians, MSM, their friends and family were *not* dipping their beaks into foreign funds?"

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at October 01, 2019 01:35 PM (hLRSq)

30 Laws are for middle people

Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:35 PM (ZMlvc)

31 Also, where is Hunter Biden and why is the MSM not camped out on his front lawn?!
Posted by: Lizzy

I'm sorry. I just don't understand the question.

You do know Hunter is a Democrat, correct?

Posted by: The MSM at October 01, 2019 01:35 PM (yb6r+)

32 We are witnessing a coup against the sitting, legally elected president. In real time.

We saw this with Nixon in the 1970's. He had just won a huge victory in 1972, and they were able to use the CIA and his fellow republican traitors to force Nixon out.

President Trump is fighting back, and we are witnessing the men behind the curtain manipulating the levers and lights and sound effects, the better to fool us into going along.

No.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 01:35 PM (oGBso)

33
It's a junket man, a junket. and corruption. mostly corruption.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2019 01:35 PM (r+sAi)

34 Schiff needs indicting

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at October 01, 2019 01:35 PM (T9rmq)

35 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (qM84C)

36 Second-hand whistleblowing. Sounds like loads of fun!

Posted by: Sheppy Smith at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (mwIW1)

37 Bent dick Bill here...Don`t forget to get your free 'Hawt Hillary' pinup calendar. She rocks a plaid tablecloth like a boss in December.
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Posted by: Clinton crime wave at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (yhf6w)

38 Timing of the first and alleged post looks off.

Posted by: Someguy at October 01, 2019 01:32 PM (k3a3F)

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there is no time machine...

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (ueP5K)

but there is a delay in the post. I've been refreshing like a crack addled monkey trying to get a new topic that gets rid of Al...

and low and behold, I post on the last thread and this one pops up with a 15 minute delay.

sure there's a time machine. it's next to JJ's weather machine...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (8D42x)

39 Also, where is Hunter Biden and why is the MSM not camped out on his front lawn?!

he's prob hiding out on some caribbean island or something

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (Rarvo)

40 Hmmm. It's almost as if the Democrats have some reason BESIDES Orange Man Bad to impeach.

I wonder what that reason could be?

It's a mystery.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (nagSO)

41 Atlantic Council - A Senior Fellow is Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder of CROWDSTRIKE.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (bDqIh)

42 CNN treating Barr's investigation of spygate like a complete conspiracy theory.

Hurts to watch, but any solid evidence at all will be that much more convincing.

I no longer think there will ever be a floor vote for impeachment. Barr and Durham have too much of a head start, and should already be able to shut this curcus down any time they want.

Posted by: cpurick at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (7NboP)

43 the dark forces have been gathering covertly to get their crooked stories straight. They met with the previous prez of Ukraine, the DeepState friendly one. Do we have a military team of spies watching, separate from the CIA coup plotters?

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (Cus5s)

44 If Schiff won't explain, Rs need to be demanding he recuse himself.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (oVJmc)

45 @34

Schiff needs a lot of things.

Indictment is the least of them.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (zCpUM)

46 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

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Every police officer and fireman would be laid off.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (ZMlvc)

47 so, from what I can see is this:

1. WB and others generate report.

Others include a lot of lawyers and probably Schiff and the DNC house swamp.

2. the new IG gets the report, changes the rules so she/he/it/zer can actually process it as an urgent concern.

3. the Schiff side plays up the existence of the report

4. trump fucks the whole thing by ignoring my advice and actually releasing the transcript instead of the expected fight over "this is fucking bullshit and separation of powers" which is 5th dimensional chess.

5. Schiff reads some bizarre rant about trump which he had to immediately apologize for.

6. the media throughout this has been yelling impeachment.

7. the ICIG got busted changing the rules and lies about the form being the same.

well, of course the form's the same, you changed the rules. the form still has 2 boxes to check, 1. I have first hand. 2 "I have second hand"

8. pelosi changes house rules to pretend they're doing something to appease their more lunatic fringe insane base.

9. 2 week recess. hope the media can whip up an impeachment frezny.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (FEQY4)

48 35 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

how would most people do that? it's withheld

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (Rarvo)

49 White woman cop who walked into her black neighbor's apartment, thinking it was her own, and shot him dead because she thought he was a burglar, has been found guilty of murder by a TX jury.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (k4dH2)

50 Teachers would get raises, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:38 PM (ZMlvc)

shocked face.

Posted by: fox at October 01, 2019 01:38 PM (hdFyL)

52 Tommy Eager is a member of the Atlantic Council Eurasia Fellowship. Sorry Ace fellowship is spelled
c o v e n.

Posted by: dark before light at October 01, 2019 01:38 PM (WX+x0)

53 Remember when Ukraine was a "white hat" country and all those Democrats colluding with Ukraine in 2016 were on the side of light against the darkness?

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2019 01:38 PM (sjTfF)

54 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (qM84C)

sadly not much. with federal withholding, most people never see the money anyway. it wouldn't register until they didn't get a refund...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 01, 2019 01:38 PM (8D42x)

55 I come from Ukraine, you not say Ukraine mystery!

Posted by: Ukranian Man on NYC Subway at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (BDZWU)

56 Also, where is Hunter Biden and why is the MSM not camped out on his front lawn?!

he's prob hiding out on some caribbean island or something
Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion

Haiti ?

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (arJlL)

57 I figure the dems can't vote on impeachment until right before the election for maximum effect.

If they do it too early, then Trump gets to call witnesses in the Senate.

Nope, they are going to drag this out until the election until it blows up in their faces.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (xfb67)

58 So ace, you're saying the walrus is Paul?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (RD7QR)

59 Flips over aces keyboard . smack. smack.

Posted by: willow at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (ZA8br)

60 So Schiff is a lying, corrupt, shit head weasel..figures.

Posted by: IC at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (a0IVu)

61 can't see the link but i think this is what independent researcher, @Avery1776 turned up last week.

Posted by: trapper's girl at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (J5Hfq)

62 If only the high-ups in the Democrat party knew someone who had a private island.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (ZMlvc)

63 I thought the style guide required "Schiff for Brains"?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (jsWA8)

64 It's a hagiography masquerading as a news story. The North Korean media isn't biased as the MFM

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2019 01:33 PM (1SewP)

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and the MFM isn't facing a brutal and bizarre execution if they don't act the way they do.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (ueP5K)

65 Even McKenzie Phillips is disgusted by how incestuous politics is.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (BmMkH)

66 And the egg man was Eric Burden ??

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (qM84C)

67 sadly not much. with federal withholding, most people never see the
money anyway. it wouldn't register until they didn't get a refund...

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Free to Withheld!

Posted by: Undocumented at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (5NMZN)

68 56
Also, where is Hunter Biden and why is the MSM not camped out on his front lawn?!

he's prob hiding out on some caribbean island or something

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion

Haiti ?

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (arJlL)
Sniffing coke off of his new whore's arse?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (N39Ws)

69 Everyone seems to forget that there already was a floor vote for impeachment and it went down in flames. Never mentioned by either side.

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (AwPyG)

70 Ratfucking? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (NWiLs)

71 Nothing to see here. If there were, we'd be informing you about it. Since we're not, there's nothing here.

Don't worry your deplorable heads about it. Go back to whatever pastimes you enjoy in your trailer park.

Posted by: MSM at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (DMUuz)

72 69 Everyone seems to forget that there already was a floor vote for impeachment and it went down in flames. Never mentioned by either side.

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (AwPyG)

Not with this go-around, right?

Posted by: IC at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (a0IVu)

73 Maybe he just went to play golf and had no idea of the connection.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (2DOZq)

74 Schiff needs a lot of things.

Indictment is the least of them.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM

Including, but not limited to:
A baseball bat applied to various parts of his anatomy.
Some quality time with a pear of anguish.
A long talk with an alligator.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (myjNJ)

75 76th!!

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (FiUMj)

76 Hiya willow !

Long time, no chi.

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (arJlL)

77 Double standards all around. On the dims side. hold them to their own standards now and forever. One set of rules.

Trump has made the masks slip and it is ugly. No dim anywhere should be elected to anything for generations. Long before and dim is elected anywhere the democrat party should self destruct.

Let it be so.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (0OmEj)

78 If nothing else we are being shown how they all get rich working on underpaid congressional salaries.

"Bipartisan program" indeed. Just means the GOP is in on the graft too.

Just call it 19 hand picked congressional staffers who are getting a stipend from a gas company to keep their bosses voting in the interests of said company.

I'm sure you can find the same setup for big agriculture, big tech, etc etc

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (t+yU6)

79 White woman cop who walked into her black neighbor's apartment, thinking it was her own, and shot him dead because she thought he was a burglar, has been found guilty of murder by a TX jury.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (k4dH2)

Sounds about right. feel bad for her but she had to do better in that situation.

prayers for the deceased and his family. this won't make it better for them though.

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (8D42x)

80 69 Everyone seems to forget that there already was a floor vote for impeachment and it went down in flames. Never mentioned by either side.

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right, pelosi just appeased the base by saying we're in an inquiry which apparently doesn't require a vote ... ever.

really pathetic stuff.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (FEQY4)

81 Pompeo was just confronted by a cute Itlaian woman holding a wedge of parmesan cheese! Serious.

Posted by: Galil at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (Pzzpr)

82 Rush is taking it to Erick Erikson and his merry band of pussyfarts!

Posted by: kallisto at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (WdajP)

83 So ace, you're saying the walrus is Paul?
Posted by: joncelli,

I thought Hilary is the walrus !

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (arJlL)

84 I come from Ukraine, you not say Ukraine mystery!

Posted by: Ukranian Man on NYC Subway at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM (BDZWU)

better than saying THE Ukraine. They really hate that.

btw, i got it, clever!

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (n13/j)

85 Willow is back.

Hooray.

Now new thread, right?

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (my0dy)

86 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

how would most people do that? it's withheld
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To prevent just such a scenario!

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

Posted by: Your Lords and Masters at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (vg8iE)

87 69 Everyone seems to forget that there already was a floor vote for impeachment and it went down in flames. Never mentioned by either side.

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2019 01:40 PM (AwPyG)

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GOP: Lose O-Care repeal vote, never mention O-Care again

Dems: Lose impeachment vote, keep voting until they get their way

It's why the left always wins in the long run.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

88
I hope that Schiff's cash settlements with Congressional staffers' whose cocks he grabbed makes the light of day sometime.

That would be fun.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (AzW6q)

89 35
What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at October 01, 2019 01:36 PM (qM84C)

Nothing besides more nat'l debt.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (CQ3Qb)

90 Whew! This pull quote screamed at me.

HEY! REMEMBER GEORGE W 43 BUSH? YEAH. THAT'S THE GUY.

ho Dee doh dum dee....

YEAH HE WAS ALL ABOUT OIL WEREN'T HE? Maybe he knew a little sumpn sumpn bout NATURAL GAS from yonder parts, you think maybe?

So I told that pull quote, I says, "garble thwark n hooey" Maybe it'll just go away. Can't have too many unauthorized thoughts, know what we saying?

Posted by: Oh look there's a nazi quarrel. On a cruise ship. With a checklist. at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (64PZ4)

91 79 White woman cop who walked into her black neighbor's apartment, thinking it was her own, and shot him dead because she thought he was a burglar, has been found guilty of murder by a TX jury.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at

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it's worse than that. May have been a stalker relationship where the cop was a stalker, barged in on the black guy and shot him in his doorway while she was drunk and insane.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (FEQY4)

92 It's the French Mistake!
Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 01:25 PM (oGBso)
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Mistakes were made.

Posted by: The Clinton Administration at October 01, 2019 01:43 PM (DuZls)

93 Dems: Lose impeachment vote, keep voting until they get their way

It's why the left always wins in the long run.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

They do that with state elections too. Not enough votes? Keep finding and keep counting.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 01:43 PM (2DOZq)

94 79
White woman cop who walked into her black neighbor's apartment, thinking
it was her own, and shot him dead because she thought he was a burglar,
has been found guilty of murder by a TX jury.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (k4dH2)

Sounds about right. feel bad for her but she had to do better in that situation.

prayers for the deceased and his family. this won't make it better for them though.

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (8D42x)
If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor, 2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 01, 2019 01:43 PM (N39Ws)

95 We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: torabora at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (5R36g)

96 86 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

how would most people do that? it's withheld

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It's only withheld for W2 employees. Which is the majority of people, but not everyone. And even so, as a W2 you can submit a new W4 form with 20 dependents, in which case the witholding will be right around $0.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)

97 49 White woman cop who walked into her black neighbor's apartment, thinking it was her own, and shot him dead because she thought he was a burglar, has been found guilty of murder by a TX jury.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 01:37 PM (k4dH2)

Good. As it should be.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (NWiLs)

98 Not just Burisma links. Atlantic Council also has Crowdstrike's Alperovitch on its Cyberstate group.

Posted by: Ever at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (ZZDMQ)

99 >>Everyone seems to forget that there already was a floor vote for impeachment and it went down in flames. Never mentioned by either side.

Several - December 2017, January 2018, and July 2019,

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (bDqIh)

100 93
Dems: Lose impeachment vote, keep voting until they get their way

It's why the left always wins in the long run.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

They do that with state elections too. Not enough votes? Keep finding and keep counting.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 01:43 PM (2DOZq)
Did it with gay marriage, and ultimately judge shopped until they got their way.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (N39Ws)

101 Quick, let's tell a lure to sell him dirt on Trump.

I mean that's how this goes, right?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (Boy/L)

102 Nothing to see here. If there were, we'd be informing you about it. Since we're not, there's nothing here.

Don't worry your deplorable heads about it. Go back to whatever pastimes you enjoy in your trailer park.

Posted by: MSM at October 01, 2019 01:41 PM (DMUuz)
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This is why they are so frantic to deplatform anybody to the right of Lenin. This play worked in the 1970's because the sources of information were the big 3 networks. They set the narrative and the print media followed.

But the MFM keeps treating non-left media & users like we are cockroaches to be stomped. Which is exactly what they want to do to us literally, that old boot stomping on a face forever.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (oGBso)

103 As a CA resident, I apologize for all the shit-weasels this State sends to DC.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (uGHnY)

104 Ha ha, the Ukraine!? Do you know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.

Posted by: Kramer at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (BDZWU)

105 Pompeo tells Congress, Fuck you, War.

Congress demands depositions next week, he says no.

Posted by: Don Q at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (NgKpN)

106

Ukrainian chicks are HAWT! Too bad I prefer small Hispanic boys...

Posted by: Adam Schitt at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (UFLLM)

107 Guys, let's at least wait until sunset to start drinking.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (RD7QR)

108 I didn't pay any income taxes this year. Matter of fact, I got money back!

- 75% of voting adults in the United States

Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (ZMlvc)

109 So Schiff is a lying, corrupt, shit head weasel..figures.
Posted by: IC at October 01, 2019 01:39 PM

A mustelidaeist is not who we are!

Posted by: The shed outside The Bulwark at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (DMUuz)

110 Even "America's Mayor" is falling for this stupid right wing conspiracy theory. This delusional nonsense will be Trump's ultimate end.

Posted by: No at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (MCTH2)

111 Ukraine is pretty darned far from the Atlantic Ocean.

Why would they name their little think tank that?

Posted by: rd at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (+0uDE)

112 hunner bidet killed John Wick's dog. Bad bad boy.

Posted by: dark before light at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (WX+x0)

113 Liberal FB friends are going crazy with the comments. They are convinced Trump is guilty and everybody who votes for him should be jailed too. Some of these people are good friends too. Truly unhinged

Posted by: Big Alfredo at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (SJoPv)

114 If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor, 2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.

Nooz the other day said there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I find that implausible.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (FNXDu)

115 86 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???"

Nothing would happen at all. You don't think Income Tax actually pays for anything, do you? Whenever some cash is needed, the Fed snaps it's fingers and "creates" $75 Billion whenever they want. It's happened twice in the last two weeks.

Income tax exists to modify behavior and direct it in ways the Govm't wishes it to be directed. The money amounts and the punishments meted out are intended to make everyone take things seriously.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Kpl3J)

116 Grab ass
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 01, 2019 01:31 PM (flINI)
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Uh. Okay!

Posted by: Al Franken at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (DuZls)

117 108 I didn't pay any income taxes this year. Matter of fact, I got money back!

- 75% of voting adults in the United States
Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (ZMlvc)

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Sadly, true. Which is why most people thought Trump increased their taxes when their refund was less.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (FiUMj)

118 105 Pompeo tells Congress, Fuck you, War.

Congress demands depositions next week, he says no.
Posted by: Don Q at October 01, 2019 01:44 PM (NgKpN)

Good. The lawful should not subjugate themselves to the lawless.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (NWiLs)

119 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Zz0t1)

120 Everyone seems to forget that there already was a floor vote for impeachment and it went down in flames. Never mentioned by either side.

Yeah, but this time they don't have to vote on the record. There will be 218 in favor. And a whole lotta "It wasn't me."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Boy/L)

121 Link?

I get a server error.

Posted by: rd at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (+0uDE)

122 incredible new tax on craft brewpubs here in PA (link in my sig)

my favorite quote from the article:

the State "will not allow the tax to appear on receipts"

wow really??!

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Rarvo)

123 Seems that link is fubar......

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Zz0t1)

124 <<105
Pompeo tells Congress, Fuck you, War.

Congress demands depositions next week, he says no.

Posted by: Don Q

The power of cheese.

Posted by: Galil at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (Pzzpr)

125 I'm really tired of the cocksucking trolls.

Really tired.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (vg8iE)

126 It's the French Mistake!
Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 01:25 PM (oGBso)

VOILA!!!!

*Splash*

*stomp...squish...stomp...squish*

Posted by: Zombie Dom Deluise at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (8D42x)

127 Liberal FB friends are going crazy with the comments. They are convinced Trump is guilty and everybody who votes for him should be jailed too. Some of these people are good friends too. Truly unhinged

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FB friends are drunken housewives who spend all day discussing anti-vax conspiracy theories.

engage only if you really hate yourself.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (FEQY4)

128 sun sets every earth minute

Posted by: beebbeeb let's tailgate at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (WX+x0)

129 it's worse than that. May have been a stalker relationship where the
cop was a stalker, barged in on the black guy and shot him in his
doorway while she was drunk and insane.

And drove across the country in a diaper to do it between shifts...

Posted by: Slim Fatty at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (UFLLM)

130 114
If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor,
2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice
that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't
hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.

Nooz the other day said there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I find that implausible.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (FNXDu)
Exactly. If staying in a hotel and I get off the wrong floor, I recognize it pretty quick. And this is staying just a night or two. How can someone not notice the wrong floor when they LIVE there. Things are different. Smells are different.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (N39Ws)

131 If I were the White House, NO MORE COOPERATION of any kind.
You do not assist in your hanging

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (cEsBM)

132 Schiff went to Ukraine last month too.

I'm telling youse guys, keep your eyes on The Atlantic Council. They are at the heart of many or our problems.

Some of the members:

Victor Pinchuk, the Clinton's favorite Ukrainian oligarch and one biggest funders of the Clinton foundation.

Dimitri Alperovich, CEO of CrowdStrike

James Clapper, well known douchebag

Evelyn Farkas, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Eurasian Affairs and Ukraine under Obama

George Soros, directly and funneled through his foundations

John McCain, he dead

And on and on and on. It is a who's who of Deep State players with ties to Ukraine. Ukraine has been huge focus for The Atlantic Council for years

Less than 2 weeks ago Burisma announced that it would be partnering with The Atlantic Council for direction on economic and legal matters.

>>The International Energy Group Burisma along with other top Ukrainian business leaders has committed itself to 15 key principles of rule of law and economic policy in Ukraine developed by the Atlantic Council of the United States, the leading U.S. think tank in the field of international affairs.

https://tinyurl.com/yxacowym

Not all of the Deep State is inside government. A large part of it is controlled by these 3rd party "think tanks" and NGOs.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 01:47 PM (ZLI7S)

133 @22

I've said this before, how could such a monumental change in evidentiary and legal standard be executed by fiat without a formal internal review process undertaken or public and congressional input being sought?

Or alternatively, what the hell is Gina Haspel actually doing?

Clearly she's not in control of her IC apparatus as she has rogue agents freelancing ops against The President.

And in closing...

It appears as if the Brennan apple hasn't fallen far from the Clapper Tree.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (E5uLs)

134 ...Whenever some cash is needed, the Fed snaps it's fingers and "creates" $75 Billion whenever they want. It's happened twice in the last two weeks.

Income tax exists to modify behavior and direct it in ways the Govm't wishes it to be directed. The money amounts and the punishments meted out are intended to make everyone take things seriously.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Kpl3J)

--

This guy seems to know things.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (ZMlvc)

135 So Burisma is up to its neck in skullduggery in Ukraine and is using its "think tank" to funnel sketchy BS to Dem staffers for dissemination within the #impeachorangemannow conglomerate? I think House Speaker Nancy Pelosi should ID all of the US House Dems who are/were members of this Biden Burisma grease factory. And do it now.

Posted by: mrp at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (Pqytn)

136 In Dallas, I don't believe Guyger's story, and I don't think the jury did either - hence the murder conviction. I don't think we've ever heard the true story of what happened, and since Guyger is the only surviving witness, we probably never will. But at least she's headed to prison for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (Kpl3J)

137 Even "America's Mayor" is falling for this stupid right wing conspiracy theory. This delusional nonsense will be Trump's ultimate end.

Posted by: No at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (MCTH2)
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I'd be concerned if you knew how to use words. "conspiracy theory" = "whatever the hell I want to label 'conspiracy theory'".

No discipline. At all.

Posted by: Axeman at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (DuZls)

138 41 Sorry, Lizzy, didn't see you had already linked Alperovitch to AC.

Posted by: Ever at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (ZZDMQ)

139 That money for Schittforbrains had to get back into the States somehow you know.

Kinda same idea as the money they meant for Papadopoulos to get caught with, only no one to catch him at the airport coming back cuz that's not how bribes are supposed to work.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (37IEG)

140
Uh, am I missing something, or did Ace have a stroke while typing in the link?
Posted by: Dr. T

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Yeah, pixy doesn't like that link. I clicked to see if anyone had perchance managed to ask Schiff or the staffer why the trip, as if there'd be an answer besides a page full of red error code anyway.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (13CQC)

141 And drove across the country in a diaper to do it between shifts...

Did you mean to say "shifts" ?

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (arJlL)

142 110 Even "America's Mayor" is falling for this stupid right wing conspiracy theory. This delusional nonsense will be Trump's ultimate end.
Posted by: No at Octob

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also, hillary won by 3 million votes. what can you do, huh?

If I were soros, I'd get a refund from this troll. sad effort.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (FEQY4)

143 At least the trolls are getting paid $50K a month like Hunter Biden.

What's that? Minimum wage you say? Must not be that important then.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (xfb67)

144 Chuck Grassley says: Whistleblower is totes legal and stuff and needs to be heard.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (FiUMj)

145
Liberal FB friends are going crazy with the comments. They are convinced
Trump is guilty and everybody who votes for him should be jailed too.
Some of these people are good friends too. Truly unhinged

Liberal friends I monitor are bemoaning some of their friends who were banned on FB. Didn't see their comments, don't care to. But for FB to ban libtards -> they must be inciting imminent violence.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (N39Ws)

146 115 86 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???"

Nothing would happen at all. You don't think Income Tax actually pays for anything, do you? Whenever some cash is needed, the Fed snaps it's fingers and "creates" $75 Billion whenever they want. It's happened twice in the last two weeks.

Income tax exists to modify behavior and direct it in ways the Govm't wishes it to be directed. The money amounts and the punishments meted out are intended to make everyone take things seriously.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Kpl3J)

^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!

Posted by: rd at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (+0uDE)

147 I've had some Eurasia movements before. They are great.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (yRAFu)

148 Hi JT and blaster.
Re cop.i don't see how this is premeditated . so I think she should spend a couple of years in jail thinking about it. And than be moved to another state so the victims tribe won't smear her guts all over a street.

Posted by: willow at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (jDr7d)

149 136
In Dallas, I don't believe Guyger's story, and I don't think the jury
did either - hence the murder conviction. I don't think we've ever
heard the true story of what happened, and since Guyger is the only
surviving witness, we probably never will. But at least she's headed
to prison for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (Kpl3J)
What makes you think she had prior interaction with the dude? I didn't follow it that closely.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (37IEG)

150 Or alternatively, what the hell is Gina Haspel actually doing?

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (E5uLs)
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She's rolling in the deep.

Posted by: Axeman at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (DuZls)

151 Don't fall for No. He slipped up a month or so ago and showed himself to be a moron out fishing for gullible readers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - making an otter reference can anger the fair 'ettes at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (ZMlvc)

152 Say what you will about David Axelrod but his paid trolls were quality. Not the bottom-of-the-barrel retarded spew we've been seeing recently.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (NWiLs)

153 Nooz the other day said there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I find that implausible.

She was busy texting "sexy" comments to her date. So distracted by horny.

Posted by: dagny at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (nRWPy)

154
What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

First: the Washington Monument closes...

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (7rVsF)

155 Or alternatively, what the hell is Gina Haspel actually doing?

Clearly she's not in control of her IC apparatus as she has rogue agents freelancing ops against The President.

And in closing...
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Maybe she's in on it.

Posted by: Augustine at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (BDZWU)

156 114 If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor, 2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.

Nooz the other day said there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I find that implausible.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (FNXDu)

She was sleep deprived and texting her partner at the time who I think she was romantically linked. It was the apartment directly above hers and the entrance / hall all look alike. I can see it happening but over reaction to shoot the guy. I see it as manslaughter with max sentence should be applied.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (2DOZq)

157 https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1179054626785648641

Posted by: Galil at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (Pzzpr)

158 152 Say what you will about David Axelrod but his paid trolls were quality. Not the bottom-of-the-barrel retarded spew we've been seeing recently.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (NWiLs)

When Soros sends trolls, he isn't sending his best...

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (N4xQB)

159 Ace, if you can hear us blink twice.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (RD7QR)

160 146
115 86 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???"

Nothing would happen at all. You don't think Income Tax actually
pays for anything, do you? Whenever some cash is needed, the Fed snaps
it's fingers and "creates" $75 Billion whenever they want. It's happened
twice in the last two weeks.

Income tax exists to modify behavior and direct it in ways the
Govm't wishes it to be directed. The money amounts and the punishments
meted out are intended to make everyone take things seriously.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Kpl3J)

But the deficit!
Bwaahahahahahaha, I kill myself.
I'm here all month, try the veal, tip your waitstaff.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:51 PM (37IEG)

161 Ukraine Mystery: Schiff Staffer Made August Trip for Think Tank Employed by Hunter Biden's Old Employer
Not trying to be a wise-ass about this but... so?

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:51 PM (77WPm)

162 152
Say what you will about David Axelrod but his paid trolls were quality.
Not the bottom-of-the-barrel retarded spew we've been seeing recently.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (NWiLs)

Your words offend me!

Posted by: Teh Barrel at October 01, 2019 01:51 PM (ufFY8)

163 Click the link.

At the error page, cut http://acecomments.mu.nu/ off the front of the URL along with the 2 strange characters after the nu/ and at the end.

Press enter.

You get to the site.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (Zz0t1)

164 They are convinced Trump is guilty and everybody who votes for him should be jailed too.
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That's how you know not to listen to them.

Tell them they are un-American. They suspect Trump of being un-American, but they just said something very flat-out un-American.

Posted by: Axeman at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (DuZls)

165 How did her key open his door?

Posted by: Jean at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (B7KlG)

166 >>What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???

The majority already don't pay federal income tax.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (ZLI7S)

167 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???"

I am guessing a good majority of the tax Money is withheld

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (cEsBM)

168 153 Nooz the other day said there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I find that implausible.

She was busy texting "sexy" comments to her date. So distracted by horny.
Posted by: dagny at October 01, 2019 01:50 PM (nRWPy)

I don't know. I've been hammered AF and still known where I was and which domicile was my place of residence.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (NWiLs)

169 corrupt FBI try dawn raid on Pompeo ... Pompeo and fam get into bunker, call in air strike, protecting Exec Branch from rogue house loons, and the Coup element of the FBI. ... CNN krewe on scene (notified in advance) are collateral damage (though they are really part of the coup).

reality TV ... or real life, either way, seems like we are heading that direction.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (Cus5s)

170 "57 I figure the dems can't vote on impeachment until right before the election for maximum effect.

If they do it too early, then Trump gets to call witnesses in the Senate.

Nope, they are going to drag this out until the election until it blows up in their faces."

This always has seemed to be desperate and rushed although it has been ongoing at least since July. My guess is they do want to drag it out but also realize that carries lots of risk, too.

Trump needs to do an Oval Office address, pronto, and lay out what is going on. It doesn't need to step on any investigations, but he certainly cannot depend of our corrupt system, either, including the GOP cowards and crooks in the Senate and House.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (iw59Q)

171 In Dallas, I don't believe Guyger's story, and I don't think the jury did either - hence the murder conviction. I don't think we've ever heard the true story of what happened, and since Guyger is the only surviving witness, we probably never will. But at least she's headed to prison for it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (Kpl3J)

The whole story is nuts. Are there any other theories about what happened ?

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (M+Lyo)

172 165 How did her key open his door?
Posted by: Jean at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (B7KlG)

If I recall correctly the door was either unlocked or partially open.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (NWiLs)

173 President Trump is fighting back, and we are witnessing the men behind the curtain manipulating the levers and lights and sound effects, the better to fool us into going along.

They think nobody's seen the wizard through the curtain, but meanwhile Dorothy is pointing and laughing at his dick.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (6XLoz)

174
what the hell is Gina Haspel actually doing?

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin

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Is there an outsider who could get that job? Maybe Trump should quit going down the line of succession until he hits on a non-swamp creature.

Yeah sorry for making assumptions about Haspel, but the status quo is evidence of something.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (13CQC)

175
Whenever some cash is needed, the Fed snaps it's fingers and "creates" $75 Billion whenever they want.

So can I. My copier is a fast one.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (7rVsF)

176 I'm here all month, try the veal, tip your waitstaff.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:51 PM (37IEG)
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They fall over too easy.

Posted by: Axeman at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (DuZls)

177 >> Chuck Grassley says: Whistleblower is totes legal and stuff and needs to be heard.

I would think he means he has to testify on record (and on camera) and take questions from Republicans, Trump's lawyers.

Schiff and others are attempting to say he deserves anonymity for his "safety" which is akin to the Kavanaugh smear tactic.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (bDqIh)

178 What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ??

You a "W-2" employee? Then you're paying the income tax.

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (77WPm)

179 "What would happen if the majority of the people in the US refused to pay Federal Income Tax ???"

The IRS would finally get to use some of their ammo.

Posted by: Chris M at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (eAZVt)

180 Ace, if you can hear us blink twice.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to

if you can hear us, blink once.

And eat something.

Mebbe he is eating, and its not polite to blink with your mouthful.

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (arJlL)

181 Not trying to be a wise-ass about this but... so?
Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:51 PM (77WPm)

It's all about corruption. Follow the money.

Schiff is dirty as FUCK and it's being exposed.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

182 I once was in a hotel. My room was something like 320. I walked in to Room 220. And the freaky thing was my card worked in Room 220. And it took my about 15-20 seconds to figure out what the fuck? This isn't my room.

Put that situation late at night, I have a gun, some dude is in what I think is my apartment....who the hell knows what would happen.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (FiUMj)

183

Every time I've shot a guy in his own apartment, I've always known where I was...

Posted by: Ivan Gottsasecret, Exterminator at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (UFLLM)

184 176 I'm here all month, try the veal, tip your waitstaff.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:51 PM (37IEG)
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They fall over too easy.
Posted by: Axeman at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (DuZls)

It's their fault for not wearing flats.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (NWiLs)

185 rime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Blue and White leader Benny Gantz will not meet on Wednesday after Gantz canceled what was expected to be a last-ditch attempt to form a unity government.

The head of Blue and White's coalition negotiating team, Yoram Turbowicz, call his counterpart in Likud, Tourism Minister Yariv Levin, to tell him that there was no point in the two leaders meeting on Wednesday night. He also canceled coalition talks that had been scheduled for Wednesday morning.

More fucked up than America and that is saying something

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (cEsBM)

186 Say what you will about David Axelrod but his paid trolls were quality. Not the bottom-of-the-barrel retarded spew we've been seeing recently.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (NWiLs)
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Axelrod was drawing his trolls from a troll pool of true believers in Barky. They weren't just motivated by getting a nickel a click, they believed in Barky with a religious fervor. A lot of them probably trolled in their off hours for free.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (oGBso)

187 The best way to deal with an Ebola outbreak in a neighboring country is to cover it up when cases start appearing in your own.

https://tinyurl.com/y5wyplju

Posted by: The Institute at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (LhK3i)

188 "why is the MSM not camped out on Hunter Biden's front lawn?!"

Hahahahaha! For the same reason they won't ask Ilhan Omar about her scandals. Because the MSM is a paid subsidiary of the Democrat Party. It is so obvious, I'm surprised that even LoFos can't see it.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (mk9aG)

189 You a "W-2" employee? Then you're paying the income tax.
Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (77WPm)

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Submit a new W4 form and you aren't.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)

190 145. judging from a couple commiecrat callers to local radio - Unhinged is the perfect description. They've been denied the Fall of Trump for so long, their TDS has morphed into bloodlust.

Posted by: kallisto at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (WdajP)

191 The whole story is nuts. Are there any other theories about what happened ?

Drug deal gone bad.

Posted by: Iva Bigbottom at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (UFLLM)

192 I don't worry about intruders. My guns "just go off" by themselves all the time.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (37IEG)

193 What makes you think she had prior interaction with the dude? I didn't follow it that closely.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:49 PM (37IEG)

I didn't hear of evidence being presented as to that, so can't back that up. I think we can be comfortable with the jury's verdict - she admitted to pulling the trigger intentionally, and her excuses as to why she did it just didn't add up. So that's enough for a conviction.

As to the difference between manslaughter and murder, in Texas they overlap quite a bit. A murder conviction with mitigating circumstances can result in a sentence as low as 5 years (that's rare) while a manslaughter conviction can be as high as 20 years. So the distinction is made in the sentencing, not in the actual charge.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (Kpl3J)

194 >>I don't know. I've been hammered AF and still known where I was and which domicile was my place of residence.

A number of years ago we were doing Block Island Race Week. One of my buddies who is a hellacious partier decided to walk home from the bar early since he was tired. And hammered.

He woke up the next morning with a guy shaking his shoulder and telling him to get off his couch and out of his house.

We have never and will never let him forget it.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)

195 don't know. I've been hammered AF and still known where I was and which domicile was my place of residence.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:52 PM (NWi

I've tried to get in a car that wasn't mine. Damn key wouldn't work though.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (2DOZq)

196 Schiff and others are attempting to say he deserves anonymity for his "safety" which is akin to the Kavanaugh smear tactic.

Ah, the tell. They know it will be a disaster.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (Boy/L)

197 192 I don't worry about intruders. My guns "just go off" by themselves all the time.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (37IEG)

I let mine wander the neighborhood until the street lights come on. It's healthy for them to have that kind of freedom.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:56 PM (NWiLs)

198 It's all about corruption. Follow the money.

Schiff is dirty as FUCK and it's being exposed.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

Still missing the "news" angle here. But sure.
You a "W-2" employee? Then you're paying the income tax.

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (77WPm)

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Submit a new W4 form and you aren't.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)

Yeah, above a certain paygrade that's not gonna work anymore. HR departments are "Government Friendly"

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:56 PM (77WPm)

199 Is there an outsider who could get that job? Maybe Trump should quit going down the line of succession until he hits on a non-swamp creature.

I'm up for it. Call me, President Trump! I am ready to serve. I'm even a girl and all.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 01:56 PM (Rarvo)

200 Nothing to see here move along! Go Trump MAGA!

Posted by: Kenny The G from AZ at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (uOhgL)

201
Every time I try and slip the tip to my waitress I get slapped.

Except that one time, when her front hole turned out to be an outie...

Posted by: Jow Blowme at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (UFLLM)

202 In Dallas, I don't believe Guyger's story, and I don't think the jury did either - hence the murder conviction. I don't think we've ever heard the true story of what happened, and since Guyger is the only surviving witness, we probably never will. But at least she's headed to prison for it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:48 PM (Kpl3J)

I think you're way off here.

I think she fucked up. Dallas is short 1000 police officers. They're all overworked. She came off a 15 hour shift after working several recent long shifts. Others in the building have gone to the wrong apartment several times. She reacted. She feared. She shot.

He happened to be black, so from that moment, she was fucked.

She was guilty of Negligent Homicide. Not murder. Not manslaughter.

Justice was not blind here.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

203 >>>9 Uh, am I missing something, or did Ace have a stroke while typing in the link?

I was delayed at the doctor's and had to post this from the phone, which is always a chore.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (PbpT7)

204 "If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor,
2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice
that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't
hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.
"

The most obvious explanation is that she had history with the guy, murdered him, made up the "wrong apartment" story. Her story stinks. What's the chances you walk into wrong apartment, AND have to fatally shoot the guy you see in there? Zero chance.

Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (mk9aG)

205 the good news is that nothing is broken. the bad news is that they say it will be 3-4 weeks to heal.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (PbpT7)

206 *cough cough* I'm pretty dusty.

Posted by: Insurrection Act at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (Pzzpr)

207 203 >>>9 Uh, am I missing something, or did Ace have a stroke while typing in the link?

I was delayed at the doctor's and had to post this from the phone, which is always a chore.
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (PbpT7)

How's your wrist?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (NWiLs)

208 Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)

Yeah, above a certain paygrade that's not gonna work anymore. HR departments are "Government Friendly"
Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:56 PM (77WPm)

___

When I was a W2, I always inflated the W4 to have as little witheld as possible. Nobody said shit and my pay-grade was up there. Big companies and small companies, nobody really gave shit.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (FiUMj)

209 Now would be a nice time for some indictments
What you say AG Barr? Or do you need a couple more years to look things over?

Posted by: Barney Fife at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (YTBIQ)

210 205 the good news is that nothing is broken. the bad news is that they say it will be 3-4 weeks to heal.
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (PbpT7)

__

There's a sexual reference in there somewhere.....

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (FiUMj)

211 well that's good news Ace!

if misery loves company I am wearing a wrist brace at the moment also (if you're braced)

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (Rarvo)

212 The head of Blue and White's coalition negotiating team, Yoram Turbowicz, call his counterpart in Likud, Tourism Minister Yariv Levin, to tell him that there was no point in the two leaders meeting on Wednesday night. He also canceled coalition talks that had been scheduled for Wednesday morning.

More fucked up than America and that is saying something
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (cEsBM)

Wow. Israel looks like they're going to have to go to a 3rd election now. If that doesn't work, maybe a 4th and a 5th. Maybe they can have meaningless elections every 6 months for the next 10 years while Netanyehu goes on running things.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (Kpl3J)

213 Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?
Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (mk9aG)

The guy had the door cracked open IIRC causing her to go into intruder mode.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (2DOZq)

214 >>How's your wrist?

He has an ankle wrist?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (ZLI7S)

215 Connecting some dots, here boss

Schiff has hired another staffer that has deep ties with the Center for new American security. This staffer worked for o and was in the trump admin for a short amount of time.

Victoria Nuland and husband Robert Kaplan are also heavily involved. Nuland when to CNAS when her state gig was up.

CNAS was founded in part by Michele Flournoy who went to DOD as #3 to Mattis

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (2Rohr)

216 Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?

His door wasn't closed all the way.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (nRWPy)

217
Also, where is Hunter Biden and why is the MSM not camped out on his front lawn?!
=========

How dare you attack the children!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (aKsyK)

218 Uh, am I missing something, or did Ace have a stroke while typing in the link?

I was delayed at the doctor's and had to post this from the phone, which is always a chore.
Posted by: ace

What did the doc say ?

Are ya gonna live ?

Are ya gonna play the violin again ?

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (arJlL)

219 122 incredible new tax on craft brewpubs here in PA (link in my sig)

my favorite quote from the article:

the State "will not allow the tax to appear on receipts"

wow really??!
Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (Rarvo)

The gas tax gambit. Blame the cost of fuel on the greedy oil companies! Blame the cost of beer on the greedy brewers!

Posted by: Buzzion at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (W2Dbu)

220 >>>How's your wrist?

it's really the base of the thumb. I think I hyperextended it or something. It's tender, as they say. I can't use it for much.

When you're down a thumb the rest of your hand is pretty useless.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (PbpT7)

221 When I was a W2, I always inflated the W4 to have as
little witheld as possible. Nobody said shit and my pay-grade was up
there. Big companies and small companies, nobody really gave shit.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (FiUMj)

How did you avoid the "underwithholding" penalty when you filed?

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (77WPm)

222 188 I bl Hunter is hiding out in South Africa w his new wife. Guess that makes it extra difficult for the Arkansas, 20-something he got pregnant to locate him.

Posted by: Ever at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (ZZDMQ)

223 I always thought the Amber Guyger incident was a lover's quarrel.

Posted by: kallisto at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (WdajP)

224 oh wait no - was it an ankle injury?!!

anyway - good no broken bones! gets worrisome after 29

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (Rarvo)

225
Nooz the other day said there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I find that implausible.

She was busy texting "sexy" comments to her date. So distracted by horny.

So it's the date's fault, right?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (7rVsF)

226 The Dallas cop now convicted murderer deserved this sentence. She is Barney Fife.
She had a reputation of wanting to answer every call.

Bothem died because of PC. Her fellow cops knew she was a fuck up but don't rat a chika cop 'cause it ain't worth the trouble.

Posted by: Carnac at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (WX+x0)

227 More fucked up than America and that is saying something
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 01, 2019 01:54 PM (cEsBM

--------

Granted... Israeli politics are always a big fat mess. Always.

But, most Israeli politicians don't hate their country and want it destroyed so they can gain money and power.

Our government is worse by a long shot.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (AzW6q)

228 And of course the Atlantic Council was heavily involved on the Original Russia Collusion Hoax.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (6qa8a)

229 >>Not trying to be a wise-ass about this but... so?

--Trump is allegedly being impeached for asking Ukraine president to investigate Biden and Hunter Biden's corrupt activities in Ukraine re: Burisma, and also Crowdstrike.

-- House Intel chief sends a staffer who works for an entity that gets funding from the same entities Trump asked to be investigated by Ukraine's president. Staffer has a vested interest in getting the Ukraine president to stop investigating Burisma and Crowdstrike, which they are doing by delegitimizing the request from Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (bDqIh)

230 South Africa has an airport, several in fact. Our media is just lazy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (1ISKN)

231 DRUMPF: Emoluments Clause!!!

HUNTER BIDEN: Who Cares???!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (oVJmc)

232
I let mine wander the neighborhood until the street lights come on. It's healthy for them to have that kind of freedom.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:56 PM (NWiLs)
What do we call those now...Free Range guns, right?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (37IEG)

233 He woke up the next morning with a guy shaking his shoulder and telling him to get off his couch and out of his house.

We have never and will never let him forget it.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)

These are the innocent (drunken) mistakes that can too easily result in a shooting.

Posted by: FloridaMan at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (r28kI)

234 Plus the visits by co-conspirators to the WH to visit Biden just before the deal.

Release the transcripts, as they say.

Release the Kraken!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (vEIlU)

235 How long has Schiff staffer Tommy Eager been a member of the "Atlantic Council"?

Posted by: mrp at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (Pqytn)

236 220 >>>How's your wrist?

it's really the base of the thumb. I think I hyperextended it or something. It's tender, as they say. I can't use it for much.

When you're down a thumb the rest of your hand is pretty useless.
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (PbpT7)

Pretty much. Hope you get better soon.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (NWiLs)

237 "If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor,
2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice
that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't
hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop."

I can instantly tell I'm in somebody else's house, just by the different smell. Chicks always burn scented candles and shit; men don't. Guy was probably her fun-on-the-side, and she got tired of him.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (mk9aG)

238 Still missing the "news" angle here. But sure.

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:53 PM (77WPm)

So, I guess you forgot about the whole "Russian collusion" bullshit over the last 4 years. Remember, Schiff was duped by 2 Ukrainian DJ's who told him they had dirt on Trump. This is PART of that.

It is newsworthy, sir.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (Zz0t1)

239 All the way to Obama.
All the way to Obama.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (vEIlU)

240 Justice was not blind here.
Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

Have to agree with the sponge

total BS verdict, should have never been an option

Make up verdict

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (AQBtr)

241 How did you avoid the "underwithholding" penalty when you filed?

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (77WPm)

Use someone else's social security number.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (CQ3Qb)

242
Not trying to be a wise-ass about this but... so?
Posted by: DocJ

========

So we're curious, especially considering the timing. All Schiff has to do is answer a few questions.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (13CQC)

243 Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (mk9aG

Not a shred of evidence of that.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 02:02 PM (2DOZq)

244 241 How did you avoid the "underwithholding" penalty when you filed?

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (77WPm)

Use someone else's social security number.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (CQ3Qb)

__

That's on the Down Low Amigo.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 02:02 PM (FiUMj)

245 If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor, 2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.

Nooz the other day said there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I find that implausible.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM (FNXDu)

She was sleep deprived and texting her partner at the time who I think she was romantically linked. It was the apartment directly above hers and the entrance / hall all look alike. I can see it happening but over reaction to shoot the guy. I see it as manslaughter with max sentence should be applied.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions

The prosecutors picked her story apart and openly called her a liar. That, after the defense chose to put her up there to testify. For the prosecution to pick apart a cops' story, there had to be some stupid shit going on.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:02 PM (9tTBE)

246 --Trump is allegedly being impeached for asking
Ukraine president to investigate Biden and Hunter Biden's corrupt
activities in Ukraine re: Burisma, and also Crowdstrike.

-- House Intel chief sends a staffer who works for an entity that
gets funding from the same entities Trump asked to be investigated by
Ukraine's president. Staffer has a vested interest in getting the
Ukraine president to stop investigating Burisma and Crowdstrike, which
they are doing by delegitimizing the request from Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (bDqIh)

In other words, double-standard because ORANGEMANBAD!!!
I suppose my "So?" was more along the lines of "What the serious fuck is anyone - an-e-one - gonna do about this?" Because I'm pretty sure the answer is "fuck-all nothing" unless that someone is President Donald J Trump, himself and he's a little stretched at the moment, it seems.

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 02:02 PM (77WPm)

247 Adam Schiff, pencilneck and ratfucker.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 02:02 PM (NWiLs)

248 The same media routine though. Rush through a bunch of lies and say this is the biggest scandal since super-watergate. Run a poll that polls their readers saying "if what we said was true, should we impeach?"

just bullshit.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:02 PM (FEQY4)

249 Chicks always burn scented candles and shit;

Yeah, no. I hate that shit. My sons use car air fresheners which make me barf. That's how I know they're really gay. They keep arguing that point. But still, scents are disgusting. The only febreeze I own is

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (nRWPy)

250 Use someone else's social security number.
=====

Si.

Posted by: New, Improved "Taxpayers" at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (m367I)

251 "fresh air."

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (nRWPy)

252 When you're down a thumb the rest of your hand is pretty useless.
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (PbpT7)
---
You can say that again!

Posted by: Little Jack Horner at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (DuZls)

253 it's really the base of the thumb. I think I hyperextended it or something. It's tender, as they say. I can't use it for much.

When you're down a thumb the rest of your hand is pretty useless.
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (PbpT7)

You prolly injured it like Ski thumb

hurts like hell but goes away

in like 8, maybe 10 years

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (AQBtr)

254 229
>>Not trying to be a wise-ass about this but... so?

--Trump is allegedly being impeached for asking Ukraine president to
investigate Biden and Hunter Biden's corrupt activities in Ukraine re:
Burisma, and also Crowdstrike.

-- House Intel chief sends a staffer who works for an entity that
gets funding from the same entities Trump asked to be investigated by
Ukraine's president. Staffer has a vested interest in getting the
Ukraine president to stop investigating Burisma and Crowdstrike, which
they are doing by delegitimizing the request from Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (bDqIh)
Now you are catching on. Laws and rules are for thee, but not for me
--- Democrat lawmakers

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (N39Ws)

255 All the way to Obama.
All the way to Obama.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (vEIlU)
----------------------------

Yup, because if it stopped at Cankles and Slick there are any number of dems who would be fine with that, they have to be just as sick of their power plays as the rest of us.

But this goes to their holy of holies and He Shall Not Be Defiled.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (oGBso)

256 Bothem's door was ajar. Amber the hero assumed a burglary might be in progress and she seized this golden opportunity to be a big damn hero. And in her on damn building.

Posted by: Carnac at October 01, 2019 02:04 PM (WX+x0)

257 Check out the tractor protests in the Netherlands.

The farmers are in revolt over their climate change bullshit.

The mayor of the Hague set up roadblocks but apparently no one explained to him that a tractor doesn't need roads.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 01, 2019 02:04 PM (haOwL)

258 Yeah, I don't buy the "negligent homicide" reasoning. She had to *really* screw up even to get to that point, and there's reason to think she may have been incapacitated and/or stalking the guy.

Either way, citizens getting barged in on and killed in their own homes by police for no legitimate reason cannot be allowed to stand. The court got it right, in my opinion.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2019 02:04 PM (zCpUM)

259 But this goes to their holy of holies and He Shall Not Be Defiled.
======

Too late for that....

Posted by: Reggie's Love Muscle at October 01, 2019 02:04 PM (m367I)

260 His door was not closed all the way, which undoubtedly put her on edge.

I agree that she way overreacted, but murder does not seem like the right charge.

However, her sentencing may reflect a more manslaughtery type crime.

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (REiLc)

261 "Not a shred of evidence of that."

I know, but my story is way better than hers. I usually bend over backwards to defend LE, but her story doesn't hold any water. She was a hose-beast, needed new hose.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (mk9aG)

262
it's worse than that. May have been a stalker relationship where the cop was a stalker, barged in on the black guy and shot him in his doorway while she was drunk and insane.
_________________________

There were rumors right after the shooting that she may have known the guy, but there was never any evidence that she did.

The cop had been having a one year long affair with her married w/kids partner. She had been texting and calling him just before she got home, and apparently had her mind on him when she went to the wrong apartment. She texted the lover at the same time she called 911 for the neighbor. She continued sexting her lover, just a couple of days after she shot her innocent neighbor dead. Can't imagine that went over too well with the jury.

It appears that she did mistake the guy for a burglar, but there was no good excuse for killing a guy who is just sitting at home in his own apartment, eating ice cream and minding his own business.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (k4dH2)

263 216 Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?

His door wasn't closed all the way.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (nRWPy)

That was her story, but there's no evidence either way. If she's lying, then he came to the door and opened it, and then she shot him.

and as to saying "oh he was black" - this guy was an educated, very well liked employee at a tech company, perfect record, never did anything wrong, and some brain dead cop busted into HIS house and killed him for absolutely no reason at all.

What if some cop busted in your door tonight for no reason at all, saw you standing in your living room and shot you? And then said "oh I wuz scared, I thought this was my house."

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (Kpl3J)

264 "If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor,
2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice
that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't
hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.
"

The most obvious explanation is that she had history with the guy, murdered him, made up the "wrong apartment" story. Her story stinks. What's the chances you walk into wrong apartment, AND have to fatally shoot the guy you see in there? Zero chance.

Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?
Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (mk9aG)

1. The floors are exactly alike and the defense had multiple witnesses that have, in fact, gone to the wrong floor multiple times.
2. They showed in the trial that the apartment numbers are well above eye level for people, including her, under 5'6" tall. She didn't look up.
3. The door was open and the apartment was dark. She was exhausted, then confused, then the guy comes around the corner in what she thought was her apartment, then wasn't compliant with her requests as an officer.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (Zz0t1)

265 ah, here's why the ICIG is the snake.

The DOJIG and the DNI reviewed the complaint and said bullshit, not an urgent concern. Not going to send to Congress.

The ICIG revised its rules after receiving the WBR and then jumped through more legal hoops to label it an urgent concern and then passed it to congress.

Congress ... schiff... really wanted this. So schiff could have an anyeurism by reading a "parody" of what trump said.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (FEQY4)

266 But, most Israeli politicians don't hate their country and want it destroyed so they can gain money and power.

Our government is worse by a long shot.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (AzW6q)

They may, in their own way not hate their Country like some do here, but their system sucks so much, it hardly matters. And with the Arab Parties voting as a block, or kinda like a block, unless the 2 major parties Likud/Blue and White get their act together and form a coalition, it is dangerous ground to say the least

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (cEsBM)

267 220
>>>How's your wrist?

it's really the base of the thumb. I think I hyperextended it or something. It's tender, as they say. I can't use it for much.

When you're down a thumb the rest of your hand is pretty useless.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2019 01:59 PM (PbpT7)

Kinda puts a crimp on your personal agenda, doesn't it
--Harvey Weinstein
Finally, I can catch a break!!!
-- Ace's ficus plant

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (N39Ws)

268 Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?

His door wasn't closed all the way.
Posted by: dagny

Which is why she thought he broke in.
Regardless of all the other red flags she missed.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2019 02:06 PM (nQpdK)

269
Amber the hero assumed a burglary might be in progress and she seized this golden opportunity to be a big damn hero.

OD'd on kickass grrrl-power movies.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:06 PM (7rVsF)

270
The mayor of the Hague set up roadblocks but apparently no one explained to him that a tractor doesn't need roads.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 01, 2019 02:04 PM (haOwL)
Neizer do light tanks! You vould zink ze Dutch vould haf learnt

Posted by: Heinz Guderian at October 01, 2019 02:06 PM (37IEG)

271 What are the R's doing? They should be blaming the down market day on impeachment talk. Who is to say it isn't true? If the R's don't fight back, in this political battle, they will lose. CNBC has their chief super lib on right now and he is reporting only 44 percent want hearings. I thought it was higher. If this ultra lib joint and their ultra lib reporter says that, I guess it is a tiny positive.

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:07 PM (n13/j)

272 WIDELY DEBUNKED CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!!!!

Posted by: CNN at October 01, 2019 02:07 PM (jgTeZ)

273 So sean davis is breaking it down, how did congress/schiff know about WBR if the WBR wasn't released until Sept 13 and congress not officially informed about it until Sept 9.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:07 PM (FEQY4)

274 So the dudes door was 'open'. Yeah, sure, happens all the time.

Open, or unlocked - two different things.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (37IEG)

275 His door was not closed all the way, which undoubtedly put her on edge.

I agree that she way overreacted, but murder does not seem like the right charge.

However, her sentencing may reflect a more manslaughtery type crime.
Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist

There is no proof that the door was ajar. It may simply have been unlocked. The only persons' word we have is the cop that shot the guy.

Just like Justine Damond was murdered because she supposedly scared the cops by hitting the police car. We have the word of the shooters, and that only.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (9tTBE)

276 All the way to Obama.
All the way to Obama.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2019 02:01 PM (vEIlU)

It's a might long way

Posted by: Mott the Hoople at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (NFEMn)

277 it's really the base of the thumb. I think I hyperextended it or something. It's tender, as they say. I can't use it for much.

Go to the drug store and get the ace bandage that goes around the wrist and across the hand. The thumb should have a splint in it. It will help the thumb heal, save you a lot of pain and allow you to do stuff.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (nRWPy)

278 The prosecutors picked her story apart and openly called her a liar. That, after the defense chose to put her up there to testify. For the prosecution to pick apart a cops' story, there had to be some stupid shit going on.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:02 PM (9tTBE)

I thought the same. Worst moment for her was when, in an attempt to show contrition, she admitted that she shot him and that he had done nothing at all to deserve it.

I thought well damn, you just got up there on the stand and confessed to at LEAST a manslaughter conviction.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (Kpl3J)

279 >>In other words, double-standard because ORANGEMANBAD!!!

The staffer is not impartial - he has skin in the game via his fellowship.

It gives the appearance that this is a set-up, particularly when paired with other things about this, such as Nancy Pelosi saying she had seen the call transcript before Trump released it.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (bDqIh)

280 ...it educates congressional staff on current events in the Eurasia region.

Right.

With Professors Svetlana, Katrina, and Ivan.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (axyOa)

281 Guys, let's at least wait until sunset to start drinking.

Posted by: joncelli
><Gotta be sunset someplace, right?

Posted by: FrodoB, learning to reload at October 01, 2019 02:09 PM (wpA/B)

282 I saw Tractor Protest open for Trailer Trash at The Forum in '92

Posted by: jsg at October 01, 2019 02:09 PM (J3Kbh)

283 Coup plotters need to hang or the republic is dead

Posted by: Jmel at October 01, 2019 02:09 PM (oeZ5Y)

284 I agree that she way overreacted, but murder does not seem like the right charge.

However, her sentencing may reflect a more manslaughtery type crime.
Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist

Did they convict on 1st degree murder?

I would think it would be a hard sell on premeditation if she didn't know the guy.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2019 02:09 PM (nQpdK)

285 Guys, let's at least wait until sunset to start drinking.

Posted by: joncelli
I did.

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:09 PM (n13/j)

286 Yup, because if it stopped at Cankles and Slick there are any number of dems who would be fine with that, they have to be just as sick of their power plays as the rest of us.

But this goes to their holy of holies and He Shall Not Be Defiled.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (oGBso)

Because the ghettos would riot. Call it the "thug veto."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (73Q5c)

287 What if some cop busted in your door tonight for no reason at all, saw you standing in your living room and shot you? And then said "oh I wuz scared, I thought this was my house."
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (Kpl3J)

THIS.

How many times have fleeing suspects on Cops or Live PD tried to use that excuse after they're caught? "I didn't do nothing, I was just scared!" That defense doesn't work for them, and it shouldn't work for cops, either.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (zCpUM)

288 "House Intel chief sends a staffer who works for an
entity that gets funding from the same entities Trump asked to be
investigated by Ukraine's president. Staffer has a vested interest in
getting the Ukraine president to stop investigating Burisma and
Crowdstrike, which they are doing by delegitimizing the request from
Trump."Posted by: Lizzy

all that effort to entrap innocent Trump with bogus "obstruction of justice", all the while their whole mafia is actively constantly obstructing real justice. They are the Mafia ... finally a prez that is not rolling over for them, and they call out all elements of DeepState to go to war (The Resistance is a globalist shadow crime syndicate, being exposed)

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (Cus5s)

289 He woke up the next morning with a guy shaking his shoulder and telling him to get off his couch and out of his house.
We have never and will never let him forget it.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)
~~~~~

Can relate a very similar tale of a friend who grew up to be a decorated NYPD detective.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (sGotD)

290 I'm here all month, try the veal, tip your waitstaff.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 01:51 PM

They don't always seem to appreciate it, for some reason.

Posted by: The leper at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (DMUuz)

291 It appears that she did mistake the guy for a burglar, but there was no good excuse for killing a guy who is just sitting at home in his own apartment, eating ice cream and minding his own business.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (k4dH2)

__

If you say she did mistake him for a burglar then it wasn't a case of the po-po barging in on someone randomly.

To me if she truly believed she was in her place and there was an intruder then as fucked up as it is, she was justified. The question is did she really believe she was in her apartment or not?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (FiUMj)

292 Pelosi is stalling with impeachment hearings --in the hopes of moving the public towards being comfortable with the idea.

Posted by: Mott the Hoople at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (NFEMn)

293 I thought the same. Worst moment for her was when, in an attempt to show contrition, she admitted that she shot him and that he had done nothing at all to deserve it.

I thought well damn, you just got up there on the stand and confessed to at LEAST a manslaughter conviction.
Posted by: Tom Servo

She knew she was fucked. I think that's what she was going for.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (nQpdK)

294 "1. The floors are exactly alike and the defense had multiple witnesses that have, in fact, gone to the wrong floor multiple times."

How many witnesses actually _entered_ the wrong apt? How many of those then shot the occupant?

Can't you tell the difference in smells between your home and somebody else's? She was competent and lucid enough to text with boytoy #X right after the shooting.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (mk9aG)

295 so, apparently, the left is going to rely on the WBR as the impeachment handbook (assuming they ever ballzack up and vote) even though it's not supported by the transcript and there's no direct knowledge...and it's an obvious lawyered up document, some sort of group effort to make things sound bad without actually having any first hand knowledge.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (FEQY4)

296 Yup, because if it stopped at Cankles and Slick there are any number of dems who would be fine with that, they have to be just as sick of their power plays as the rest of us.

But this goes to their holy of holies and He Shall Not Be Defiled.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 02:03 PM (oGBso)

=======

They should fall out of love.

He doesn't love them back.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (q80AH)

297 If I came home to a door ajar, I would leave if I wasn't carrying. Hell, I'd probably leave anyway, but I'm not a cop.

Not really defending her, but I can see how it happened. What she thought was her door was ajar, so she is already assuming there's a bad guy in there, so her adrenaline is off the charts, and it went down from there. Negligent Homicide works for me, because maybe if she had not been worrying about her own hide, the EMTs would have gotten there sooner? (We don't really know how soom she called do we?)

I don't know and it doesn't matter anyway. Just saying I can see where she is telling the truth.

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (REiLc)

298 >>The DOJIG and the DNI reviewed the complaint and said bullshit, not an urgent concern. Not going to send to Congress.

The ICIG revised its rules after receiving the WBR and then jumped through more legal hoops to label it an urgent concern and then passed it to congress.

Congress . . . schiff... really wanted this. So schiff could have an anyeurism by reading a "parody" of what trump said.
- - -

IIRC, Schiff was also tweeting about Trump and Ukraine in August - before he officially received the WB report.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (bDqIh)

299 Eh, I said last week they were charging ahead and facts be damned. No reason to think they weren't going to just make shit up and bamboozle their way towards impeachment hearings.

There are absolutely NO ramifications for any of their behavior, why would they stop?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (37IEG)

300 Amber's murder conviction is 10-life. So min. 10/y.

Bothem was eating ice cream while sitting on his sofa. 2 shots.

Posted by: Carnac at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (WX+x0)

301 285 Guys, let's at least wait until sunset to start drinking.

Posted by: joncelli
I did.
Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:09 PM (n13/j)

WHICH sunset?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (RD7QR)

302 292 Pelosi is stalling with impeachment hearings --in the hopes of moving the public towards being comfortable with the idea.

Posted by: Mott the Hoople at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (NFEMn)

She also can keep the show trial going, and avoid giving due process to Trump.

It also keeps us from looking at the Democrats effort at sedition.

Posted by: Iblis at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (9221z)

303 @209

If we are not near to getting to the crux of the biscuit, then when?

Following the Mueller timeline and the need for justice being dispensed, indictments of the coup conspirators need to be forthcoming in less than 8 weeks for trials to commence by October of next year.

It takes roughly a year from indictment to the start of trial, usually due to defense motions and prosecution counter motions.

And indictments this monumental nature would probably take even longer to get to trial.

So if indictments come down late October or early November your looking at the earliest trial start date of late October early November of next year, and if Trump loses those indictments go bye-bye roughly 5 minutes after the Donks President gets sworn.

This counter investigation has taken way too long.

And the clock is close to being run out.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (E5uLs)

304 To me if she truly believed she was in her place and there was an intruder then as fucked up as it is, she was justified. The question is did she really believe she was in her apartment or not?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 02:10 PM (FiUMj)

You can't kill someone because you think they are an intruder---when the guy is in his OWN home.
How can that be justified?
SHE was the intruder.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (NFEMn)

305 285 Guys, let's at least wait until sunset to start drinking.

Posted by: joncelli

I did.

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:09 PM (n13/j)

WHICH sunset?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 02:11 PM (RD7QR)

exactly

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (n13/j)

306 I'd hate to be on that jury because none of the evidence can ever definitely prove what she was thinking.

But I have a hard time believing she decided to go murder this stranger and then afterwards came up with the wrong apartment theory.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (FiUMj)

307 What if some cop busted in your door tonight for no reason at all, saw you standing in your living room and shot you? And then said "oh I wuz scared, I thought this was my house."

Her home? Is she contributing to the mortgage payment? Like over 75%? Shot me where? I'd have to consider that one?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (cEsBM)

308 John Cardillo @johncardillo
1d
Crowdstrike's venture capital came from two primary sources,

Former Treasury Sec. Tim Geithner who was Hillary's CFIUS counterpart when Uranium One was approved,and Eric Schmidt, Alphabet CEO who was considered Hillary campaign staff.

Ukraine has answers. Dems are terrified.

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 01, 2019 02:13 PM (BqBId)

309 Guys, let's at least wait until sunset to start drinking.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 01:45 PM

Sunset often occurs after 5:00 p.m. local time.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: A. Jackson & J. Buffet, singing astronomers at October 01, 2019 02:13 PM (DMUuz)

310
Coup plotters need to hang or the republic is dead
Posted by: Jmel

I see dead republics.

Posted by: Sixth Sense kid at October 01, 2019 02:13 PM (aKsyK)

311 263 216 Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?

His door wasn't closed all the way.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 01, 2019 01:58 PM (nRWPy)

That was her story, but there's no evidence either way. If she's lying, then he came to the door and opened it, and then she shot him.
___________________

There was testimony (and photos) that the strike plate had been screwed into the wall too tightly, which caused it to bow out slightly, which prevented the door from latching securely. So the door was likely closed, but not securely (although Botham Jean probably thought it was, because it looked like it was), and when the cop put her key in and pushed, it opened.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:13 PM (k4dH2)

312 Hey, it's always sunset somewhere.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2019 02:13 PM (zCpUM)

313 So Joey Bidet has his hand up Schff-4-brain's poop hole?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2019 02:14 PM (fG6WJ)

314 OK, look - I honestly appreciate everyone's attempts to educate me. Definitely learned a couple of things.

But here's the thing... McCabe and Brennan still have their media gigs. Comey still breathes the air of Free Men. And we're talking about some staffer for a CONgressweasel we already know is a piece of rancid pig shit.

I. Don't. Fucking. Care.

We are almost 3-years into what could be DJT's only term as POTUS and the hacks from the previous administration who ran a fucking intel op on a private citizen, the opposition party Presidential nominee, are still walking among us and, it seems, have precisely zero to fear they will ever see the business end of an indictment.

We lose because we get easily distracted by the multitudes of petty corruption that have taken-place in The Swamp for decades rather than focusing like a fucking laser beam on the people who attempted to (politically) assassinate our President.

And I'm fucking tired of it.

Posted by: DocJ at October 01, 2019 02:14 PM (77WPm)

315 Wheels are coming off the Soft-Coup II, the IC Boogaloo.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 01, 2019 02:14 PM (jYnPD)

316 If she wasn't situationally aware that 1) she was on the wrong floor,
2) the number on the door wasn't her apartment number, and 3) notice
that upon entering the wrong apartment noticing the furnishings weren't
hers -- then she shouldn't be a cop.
"

The most obvious explanation is that she had history with the guy, murdered him, made up the "wrong apartment" story. Her story stinks. What's the chances you walk into wrong apartment, AND have to fatally shoot the guy you see in there? Zero chance.

Did HER apartment key fit HIS lock?
Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 01:57 PM (mk9aG)

Maybe maybe not, our highrise building is identical from floor to floor. Many have gotten off on the wrong floor wandered to the door that corresponds to theirs and started trying to open the door.

In these buildings there are frequently only 10 different keys / locks for the entire building and they shift them from floor to floor so it happens every so often that the same key fits the same door on a different floor.

Not saying it happened but the key for her apartment and his could fit and it would not be unusual.

Posted by: not so at October 01, 2019 02:14 PM (HALdu)

317 These aren't the staffers you're looking for...

Posted by: Archer at October 01, 2019 02:14 PM (gmo/4)

318 Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (9tTBE)

Fair enough, but with in the absence of proof to the contrary, I believe the presumption of innocence is supposed to be the standard?

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:15 PM (REiLc)

319 Brian Cates
@drawandstrike
Oh by the way, did you know that the government of Australia didn't even WAIT to be asked for their help about this?

The new gov't of Prime Minister Scott Morrison made the first move in a letter sent to Barr on May 28 by Australia's US Ambassador Joe Hockey.

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 01, 2019 02:15 PM (BqBId)

320 You can't kill someone because you think they are an intruder---when the guy is in his OWN home.
How can that be justified?
SHE was the intruder.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (NFEMn)

___

Yes, but if she thought truly she was in her apartment then in her mind she wasn't in HIS house, he was in HER house.

To me it comes down to believing her story or not. If you believe her story then she was justified. As fucked up as it is, in her mind (assuming she is telling the truth) she truly believed she was defending herself from a burglar.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 02:15 PM (FiUMj)

321

Hey now, don't be dissing the Atlantic Council.

The Paolo is one of the directors.

https://atlanticcouncil.org/people/

(not THE Paolo, mind you, but Paolo Alli---whoever the fuck that is)

Posted by: imp at October 01, 2019 02:15 PM (w+Z9D)

322 If I came home to a door ajar, I would leave if I wasn't carrying. Hell, I'd probably leave anyway, but I'm not a cop.

Not really defending her, but I can see how it happened. What she thought was her door was ajar, so she is already assuming there's a bad guy in there, so her adrenaline is off the charts, and it went down from there. Negligent Homicide works for me, because maybe if she had not been worrying about her own hide, the EMTs would have gotten there sooner? (We don't really know how soom she called do we?)

I don't know and it doesn't matter anyway. Just saying I can see where she is telling the truth.
Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist

Not buying a word.

She's supposedly a cop, and she encounters a door ajar. She had a phone in her hand.....So she goes into cop mode....alone. She chose to enter an apartment that had no other way out, without calling anyone. And just had to shoot someone eating ice cream.

Years of excusing away treating cops one way and peasants another results in stupid shit like this.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:15 PM (9tTBE)

323 and as to saying "oh he was black" - this guy was an educated, very well liked employee at a tech company, perfect record, never did anything wrong, and some brain dead cop busted into HIS house and killed him for absolutely no reason at all.

What if some cop busted in your door tonight for no reason at all, saw you standing in your living room and shot you? And then said "oh I wuz scared, I thought this was my house."
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:05 PM (Kpl3J)

As long as she got to go home that's all that matters.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 02:15 PM (NWiLs)

324
What does Hunter Biden do all day, other than turn oxygen into CO2, food into shit, and cocaine into cocaine metabolites?

And alcohol into piss, and sex into disgrace.

Takes up space like a boss, he does.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM (nDqR1)

325 Congress . . . schiff... really wanted this. So schiff could have an anyeurism by reading a "parody" of what trump said.
- - -

IIRC, Schiff was also tweeting about Trump and Ukraine in August - before he officially received the WB report.

========

right, the document WBR is obviously a group effort. There was a team of people writing it, and it obviously included Schiff or Fusion GPS who told Schiff about it (or he or someone much like him paid FGPS to write it).

So, schiff's game plan was to read his "parody" of what trump said and use that as impeachment bait because he assumed (like I did) that the trump whitehouse would never,ever ever ever release a transcript of him talking to a foreign leader.

but he fucked over schiff.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM (FEQY4)

326 Texas murder laws are a bit different than other states; the only two types of Murder charges are Murder and Capital Murder, which means a death penalty case. (killing a cop, killing a child, other heinous murders)

All of the other distinctions for different kinds of Murder (premeditated or not) are dealt with during sentencing, not charging.

The difference between Murder and Manslaughter in Texas is that Murder requires proof of intent to kill; Manslaughter does not require intent. I think this is the reason Guyger was convicted of murder; she admitted holding the gun, pointing it at him, and pulling the trigger. That's intent. If she had maintained that the gun had gone off accidentally, then no intent.

One other factor - depending on mitigating circumstances, a Manslaughter charge can actually result in a heavier sentence than a murder charge.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM (Kpl3J)

327 His door was not closed all the way, which undoubtedly put her on edge.

I agree that she way overreacted, but murder does not seem like the right charge.

However, her sentencing may reflect a more manslaughtery type crime.

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist

There is no proof that the door was ajar. It may simply have been
unlocked. The only persons' word we have is the cop that shot the guy.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:08 PM (9tTBE)

------
Just imagine the genius on a no-knock raid. Everyone and their pets will be dead even at some random, unrelated address.

Posted by: Undocumented at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM (5NMZN)

328
Let us never forget that the greatest threat to our Republic comes from oil companies, pharma execs and widget manufacturers. I saw that on TV.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM (7rVsF)

329 308
John Cardillo @johncardillo

1d

Crowdstrike's venture capital came from two primary sources,

Former Treasury Sec. Tim Geithner who was Hillary's CFIUS
counterpart when Uranium One was approved,and Eric Schmidt, Alphabet CEO
who was considered Hillary campaign staff.

Ukraine has answers. Dems are terrified.

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 01, 2019 02:13 PM (BqBId)

And Zelensky appears legitimately interested in help rooting out corruption and working for Ukranians, so far, and he appears to be a Ukranian Trump mini-me.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM (jYnPD)

330 There is no proof that the door was ajar. It may simply have been unlocked. The only persons' word we have is the cop that shot the guy.

Just like Justine Damond was murdered because she supposedly scared the cops by hitting the police car. We have the word of the shooters, and that only.

We need a Witness Resurrection Program.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (FNXDu)

331 Haspel had to be in on this op, one side or the other. If it was a sting on the coup plotters (could be considering how the story they all conjured up was based on a false story about the phone call) ... then maybe Haspel helped.

More likely to me, Haspel is old Brennan acolyte, DeepState ... approved of the op to damage Trump, stop Ukraine and wider investigation, protect CIA globalist shadow government enforcers.

but maybe time will tell ...

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (Cus5s)

332 Trump (and all of us really) was ill-served by initial appointments in his transition period and early days of his administration.

The worst probably was Sessions. He might be a stand up guy, or he might be a swamp dweller, or he could be both, but the Trump Administration got off on the wrong foot with him as AG.

He was appointed because DJT is an honorable man, and Sessions was his first big supporter in the US Senate, and Sessions was very vocal in support early on, attended the first rallies for the campaign, etc.

Somebody like Rudy or even Christie would have known to keep an eye out for traitors, and would never have recused themselves.

But here we are.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (oGBso)

333 Why did Cindy McCain take a trip to Ukraine earlier this year? Follow the grift

Posted by: G marks the spot at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (xSEJa)

334 Smoking Dorothy Malone on TCM atm

In the early 70's, her husband at the time Huston Bell, brought her her into my shop

He was one of my first big hitting customers.

Even in her late 40's she was HOT!!

I was like maybe 21 or 22, still wanted to breach her panties

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (AQBtr)

335 Fair enough, but with in the absence of proof to the contrary, I believe the presumption of innocence is supposed to be the standard?
Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist

That should apply to the guy eating ice cream in his own apartment.

In fact, it applies only to the only one who got out alive; the cop.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (9tTBE)

336 You can't kill someone because you think they are an intruder---when the guy is in his OWN home.
How can that be justified?
SHE was the intruder.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (NFEMn)

There is precedent for "perceived truth" at the time of occurrence, sir.

She believed he was an intruder in HER apartment at the time.

I will be that the apartment complex will make some changes from the Communistic utopia of "everything looks exactly the same" in the near future.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)

337
*crosses Ukraine off list of travel destinations*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:18 PM (7rVsF)

338 Ukraine is a lucrative shit hole.

Posted by: Undocumented at October 01, 2019 02:18 PM (5NMZN)

339 Good. The lawful should not subjugate themselves to the lawless.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:46 PM (NWiLs)

---------

THIS^^^^^^^

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 01, 2019 02:18 PM (jUVms)

340 Let us never forget that the greatest threat to our
Republic comes from oil companies, pharma execs and widget
manufacturers. I saw that on TV.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM (7rVsF)

I would have guessed mediocre lawyers who were too plain to make it in Hollyweird.

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (n13/j)

341 What are the R's doing? They should be blaming the down market day on impeachment talk. Who is to say it isn't true? If the R's don't fight back, in this political battle, they will lose.
Posted by: Quint

Yep. Thing is, maybe they WANT to lose. Being majority is haaarrd, you have to answer to your voters. And they don't like that.

Posted by: Hands at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (786Ro)

342 "If she had maintained that the gun had gone off accidentally, then no intent.
"

If she tried to use that as a defense and I was on the jury I'd have found her guilty on that alone.

Any time any gun I've ever fired "went off" it was because I pulled the flucking trigger.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (37IEG)

343 Maybe he was on a golfing holiday??

https://twitter.com/CajunWon/status/
1179017458860077061

Posted by: andycanuck at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (Dh1wo)

344 139 "Kinda same idea as the money they meant for Papadopoulos to get caught with, only no one to catch him at the airport coming back cuz that's not how bribes are supposed to work."

FBI was waiting for him at Dulles, as soon as he showed up with Customs form with the box "I am carrying $10,000 in cash or negotiable securities" checked NO.

What went wrong for them is he left the money for safekeeping in Europe because he smelled a rat. They sweated him all night and managed to trip him up on a "lying to the FBI" gotcha, for which he served 14 days, cut to 11 for good behavior. This is the guy that triggered the spying on Trump campaign, according to the FBI!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 01, 2019 02:20 PM (TlVa0)

345 337
*crosses Ukraine off list of travel destinations*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:18 PM (7rVsF)

Kyiv is apparently a lovely place. I'd love to see Prague/Warsaw/Kyiv. The countryside in Ukraine, on the other hand, is apparently pretty poor.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 02:20 PM (RD7QR)

346 Gotta admit - ice cream eating intruders are pretty frequent in Dallas.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:20 PM (37IEG)

347 Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (FiUMj)

Exactly. How did she know whether he'd even be alone? He may have been having a huge party with too many witnesses to kill.

She fucked up big time and needs to be punished, but I do not agree with a murder charge. Sentencing will tell the tale. Maybe the judge will give more insight as to why he/she thinks cop was believable or not.

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:20 PM (REiLc)

348 I let mine wander the neighborhood until the street lights come on. It's healthy for them to have that kind of freedom.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 01:56 PM (NWiLs)
What do we call those now...Free Range guns, right?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:00 PM (37IEG)

Do we get free range ammo too? I could shoot a LOT more with free ammo...

Posted by: Zombie Dom Deluise at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (8D42x)

349 I heard Biden on the radio yesterday bragging that he flew to KEEVE to sort the Ukraine prosecutor out. I mean, KEEVE? Dan Quayle should have a real beef here.

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (n13/j)

350 If the ICIG wasn't DS, he would have provided the original WB form, that had been marked as supported by both first hand and second information, rather than the final version provided to the public. Glad that Nunes demanded the IG preserve the original.

Posted by: Ever at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (ZZDMQ)

351 "If she had maintained that the gun had gone off accidentally, then no intent.
"

If she tried to use that as a defense and I was on the jury I'd have found her guilty on that alone.

Any time any gun I've ever fired "went off" it was because I pulled the flucking trigger.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (37IEG)

She testified that she relied on her training and shot twice center mass with the intent to kill the perceived assailant.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (Zz0t1)

352 Yep. Thing is, maybe they WANT to lose. Being majority is haaarrd, you have to answer to your voters. And they don't like that.
Posted by: Hands at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (786Ro)

ah, the good old days

Posted by: Bobby, the crumb master, Michel at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (AQBtr)

353 Yes, but if she thought truly she was in her apartment then in her mind she wasn't in HIS house, he was in HER house.

To me it comes down to believing her story or not. If you believe her story then she was justified. As fucked up as it is, in her mind (assuming she is telling the truth) she truly believed she was defending herself from a burglar.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 01, 2019 02:15 PM (FiUMj)

No. Fuck that noise.

Whatever she believed (and I'm far from sold on the "honest mistake" defense), she's a cop. By virtue of her position, she bears an extra responsibility to be mindful of her surroundings and those around her. She could text her partner, but she couldn't be bothered to make sure she was at the right door? That's gross negligence, at the very minimum, and really manslaughter under the circumstances.

Whatever you want to say about what she thought was happening, the fact is a guy was killed in his own home by a reckless cop. Someone had to swing for this.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (zCpUM)

354 "mystery" seems a little strong.

Posted by: nip at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (Izot6)

355 333 Why did Cindy McCain take a trip to Ukraine earlier this year? Follow the grift
Posted by: G marks the spot at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (xSEJ

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Always, always follow the money. And Mrs. "Court a married guy" can shove the whole holier than thou routine about the republicans. Actually eff her all together.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (jUVms)

356 Damnit

/

Off sock...

*knew I was going to forget...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (8D42x)

357 I will be that the apartment complex will make some changes from the Communistic utopia of "everything looks exactly the same" in the near future.
___________________

You'd think with as many people as they had going to the wrong floors, they'd have painted big numbers on the wall across from the elevators so that people would know which floor they were on as soon as they exited the elevators.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (k4dH2)

358 342
Any time any gun I've ever fired "went off" it was because I pulled the flucking trigger.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (37IEG)

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You'd never have made it to the jury.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 02:22 PM (q80AH)

359 FBI was waiting for him at Dulles, as soon as he showed up with Customs form with the box "I am carrying $10,000 in cash or negotiable securities" checked NO.

What went wrong for them is he left the money for safekeeping in Europe because he smelled a rat. They sweated him all night and managed to trip him up on a "lying to the FBI" gotcha, for which he served 14 days, cut to 11 for good behavior. This is the guy that triggered the spying on Trump campaign, according to the FBI!

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right...that FBI agent was ... strzok.

sad.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:22 PM (FEQY4)

360 This peach mint circus is designed to get DJT to step down. PEE-lousy wants no vote, no trial. She just wants Trump to go quietly, Richard Millhouse style.

Posted by: kallisto at October 01, 2019 02:22 PM (WdajP)

361 She testified that she relied on her training and shot twice center mass with the intent to kill the perceived assailant.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (Zz0t1)

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She must have failed the situational awareness portions of the training.

Posted by: Undocumented at October 01, 2019 02:22 PM (5NMZN)

362 Say you live in identical house land. You show up, your door is unlocked, you enter and see a man sitting at a table eating ice cream. If your response is bang bang bang my life is in danger, you just failed the reasonable man test.

Posted by: Someguy at October 01, 2019 02:22 PM (k3a3F)

363

You can't kill someone because you think they are an intruder---when the guy is in his OWN home.
How can that be justified?
SHE was the intruder.
Posted by: JoeF.

This is correct. She had no right to be there. Doesn't matter her state of mind, except as to the degree of murder. Manslaughter for certain, murder 3 most likely (depending on jurisdiction). She had broken and entered, though not a burglary, for she had no intent to commit a felony therein. But without legal right to be there, she had no legal right to defend herself, no matter how confused she was.

Not to mention, why would she shoot immediately when the dude is probably yelling about it being his house?

Posted by: imp at October 01, 2019 02:22 PM (w+Z9D)

364 "If she had maintained that the gun had gone off accidentally, then no intent.
"

If she tried to use that as a defense and I was on the jury I'd have found her guilty on that alone.

Any time any gun I've ever fired "went off" it was because I pulled the flucking trigger.

Posted by: DamnedYankee

It happened to me. Once. A reproduction 1863 Enfield rifle musket. The powder detonated during reloading, while re-enacting. Fortunately, I was following the loading manual of arms and wasn't injured. A change in undergarments may have been needed. Modern firearms don't "go off".

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (9tTBE)

365
If she had maintained that the gun had gone off accidentally, then no intent.

Worked for Madame Caillaux.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Caillaux

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (7rVsF)

366 What does Hunter Biden do all day, other than turn oxygen into CO2, food into shit
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 01, 2019 02:16 PM

You make it sound like that's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Paris Hilton at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (DMUuz)

367 If wanted to kill the guy, she shoulda put a plant gun in a bag and shot him

"I just found it and it went off"

case closed

Posted by: Bobby, the crumb master, Michel at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (AQBtr)

368 She's a cop, notionally trained to handle dangerous/tense situations. So, it's not exactly reasonable for her to shoot a guy sitting on a couch, watching TV, even if he's big (and black) and even if it's her apartment. She's got the drop on him and there's no testimony that he charged her or "brandished" his ice cream bowl as a weapon. She just freaked out and shot him, or that's what the jury thought and I won't gainsay them on it.

But it's not a great case for murder, so likely she'll appeal and once the dust settles, they'll settle on some sort of manslaughter charge or a sentence that matches a manslaughter conviction.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (hdzef)

369 So, papapadap and trump's other low level workers in 2016 were pretty legit. I mean, I would probably have spent the $10K before I left. I also woulda been like, "fuck yeah, tell me more about hillary".

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (FEQY4)

370 364 It happened to me. Once. A reproduction 1863 Enfield rifle musket. The powder detonated during reloading, while re-enacting. Fortunately, I was following the loading manual of arms and wasn't injured. A change in undergarments may have been needed. Modern firearms don't "go off".
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (9tTBE)

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I saw that bit in True Lies.

Are you telling me that the movie was full of lies?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (q80AH)

371 I can understand why a young male staffer would go to Ukraine, even an older guy with the right pills, but Cindy?

Posted by: Jean at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (B7KlG)

372 She fucked up big time and needs to be punished, but I do not agree with a murder charge. Sentencing will tell the tale. Maybe the judge will give more insight as to why he/she thinks cop was believable or not.
Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:20 PM (REiLc)

The judge, who happens to be black, was seen on TV rolling her eyes at Amber during her testimony, multiple times.

She was 100% guilty of negligent homicide. Texas law says because she's Murder 1, she's 5 to 99 years, which isn't what the Texas Rangers, not the baseball team, said it should've been.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)

373 350
If the ICIG wasn't DS, he would have provided the original WB form, that
had been marked as supported by both first hand and second information,
rather than the final version provided to the public. Glad that Nunes
demanded the IG preserve the original.

Posted by: Ever at October 01, 2019 02:21 PM (ZZDMQ)

ICIG modified the "urgent concern" WB forms to allow hearsay. CTH has the story. It appears he has personal motive to CYA from FISAgate, for his time in the DOJ-NSD.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (jYnPD)

374 All of these NGOs are dirty as hell.

As are the universititties.

NGOs were created precisely so as to grease the great Axis of Evil, as it circles around around around, grinding the entirety of Western Civilization into dust:

Universititties -> NGOs -> Deep State -> NGOs -> Global Usury Inc -> NGOs -> Mass Media Inc -> NGOs -> Universititties -> etc etc etc ad nauseum

Posted by: Muh Name at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (9nSxK)

375
I'd love to see Prague/Warsaw/Kyiv.

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Warsaw is a post-Soviet shithole. Krakow is pretty. Go there. Also, you can tour Auschwitz-Birkenau nearby, and a;so the Wieliczka salt mine, which is astounding.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (AzW6q)

376 What if there had been other intruders, in the kitchen, making pizza?

How did she know one of them wasn't doing some laundry?

Kinda risky to just blast the guy without knowing whether or not there's anyone else in there with him.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (37IEG)

377 Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (9tTBE)

I hope it is coming across that I do not mean to be arguing with you in a belligerent way! It's an interesting case, and I am really being more of Devil's Advocate here, just saying I can see her side (if she is being truthful)

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (REiLc)

378 I can understand why a young male staffer would go to Ukraine, even an older guy with the right pills, but Cindy?

cheaper child-blood transfusions?

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 01, 2019 02:25 PM (Rarvo)

379 If she tried to use that as a defense and I was on the jury I'd have found her guilty on that alone.

Any time any gun I've ever fired "went off" it was because I pulled the flucking trigger.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (37IEG)

Oh I agree - which is why her lawyers didn't let her try that one, no doubt. I just used it as an example to point out the difference.

And just to repeat, in Texas, with these circumstances, there's really not much difference between a Murder or a Manslaughter conviction. For those who brought it up, negligent homicide usually comes up in car accidents, especially with drunk driving, not when a weapon is involved.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:25 PM (Kpl3J)

380 "360 This peach mint circus is designed to get DJT to step down. PEE-lousy wants no vote, no trial. She just wants Trump to go quietly, Richard Millhouse style."

Many of the corrupt cowards in the Senate GOP want the same. They are operating under the illusion we will vote for them again if Trump resigns, is removed, or loses.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 01, 2019 02:26 PM (iw59Q)

381 Any time any gun I've ever fired "went off" it was because I pulled the flucking trigger.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:19 PM (37IEG)

I was reading louis L'amour the other day and he made a good point in novel. The character said always keep you gun loaded as it is useless in any other condition. And when everyone knows your guns are always loaded, there will be no accidents. Every time their is an accidental discharge, the person thought the gun was not loaded. *
* there are exceptions but for the most part, I agree.

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:26 PM (n13/j)

382 "An iceberg the size of Los Angeles has broken off of Antarctica."

Los Angeles homeless instantly swarm the berg, and cover it in dung.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 02:26 PM (mk9aG)

383 Judge told jury convict for murder or mansl or not guilty.

murder 10-20; manslaughter 2-10.

Posted by: jedoc at October 01, 2019 02:26 PM (WX+x0)

384 Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)

Hell yes, she's 100000% guilty of NH.

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:26 PM (REiLc)

385 Just got back from my annual "wellness check", and would like to share the good news with the Horde -- we don't get much good news, after all! Anyway, everything looks good at this point.

Mammograms are optional at my age, and there's a "send us your s**t sample" substitute for colonoscopy, so I opted for that. It'll be a while before blood results get to me (if they do), but she was really happy with last year's. Even told me my Vit. D results were the best she'd ever see, and in Texas, I'm almost never out in the sun. D3 for the win!

Posted by: Empire1 at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (EbBEc)

386 Worked for Madame Caillaux.

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I'd have let her off too.

First: the guy was a dick, and sorely provoked her.

Second: Press-man. Not homicide.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (AzW6q)

387 333 Why did Cindy McCain take a trip to Ukraine earlier this year? Follow the grift
Posted by: G marks the spot at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (xSEJa)
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Just for drugs. Get off my case!

Posted by: Cindy McCain at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (BDZWU)

388 WHICH sunset?

Posted by: joncelli<>Details

Posted by: FrodoB, learning to reload at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (wpA/B)

389 Say you live in identical house land. You show up, your door is unlocked, you enter and see a man sitting at a table eating ice cream. If your response is bang bang bang my life is in danger, you just failed the reasonable man test.
Posted by: Someguy at October 01, 2019 02:22 PM (k3a3F)

It's amazing the liberal CNN mindset that is flying around here about this.

That's not what happened. Review some facts from the trial that just finished yesterday.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (Zz0t1)

390 What does Hunter Biden do all day, other than turn oxygen into CO2, food into shit, and cocaine into cocaine metabolites?

And alcohol into piss, and sex into disgrace.

Takes up space like a boss, he does.

Many of my co-workers wonder the same about me.

Posted by: Diesel Jones at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (0CeRG)

391 368 She's a cop, notionally trained to handle dangerous/tense situations. So, it's not exactly reasonable for her to shoot a guy sitting on a couch, watching TV, even if he's big (and black) and even if it's her apartment. She's got the drop on him and there's no testimony that he charged her or "brandished" his ice cream bowl as a weapon. She just freaked out and shot him, or that's what the jury thought and I won't gainsay them on it.
_____________________

He was eating ice cream on his couch when she came to the door. He got up when he heard her come in (as anybody would -- he probably thought he was about to be burglarized). The cop testified that she saw him standing and told him to put his hands up, but he walked towards her saying "hey, hey, hey" (he was probably about to tell her to get the hell out of his apartment), and that's when she shot him.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (k4dH2)

392

She was 100% guilty of negligent homicide. Texas law says because she's Murder 1, she's 5 to 99 years, which isn't what the Texas Rangers, not the baseball team, said it should've been.
Posted by: Sponge

Ain't nothing "negligent" about point, aim, pull trigger on target. She was mistaken about the circumstances, but that doesn't make the conduct negligent.

Posted by: imp at October 01, 2019 02:28 PM (w+Z9D)

393 The judge, who happens to be black, was seen on TV rolling her eyes at Amber during her testimony, multiple times.

She was 100% guilty of negligent homicide. Texas law says because she's Murder 1, she's 5 to 99 years, which isn't what the Texas Rangers, not the baseball team, said it should've been.
Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)

i with the sponge

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:28 PM (AQBtr)

394 I krain You Krain we all Krain for Ukraine

Posted by: Priapism at October 01, 2019 02:28 PM (2cfUo)

395 Crooked Cindy went to Ukraine to collect or pay debts owed by dead Crooked John.

Posted by: davidt at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (L2A48)

396 >>Kyiv is apparently a lovely place. I'd love to see Prague/Warsaw/Kyiv. The countryside in Ukraine, on the other hand, is apparently pretty poor.

Go to any former Soviet colony and you will see the same thing. Some really nice cities where the Party elite lived and poverty in the countryside where the peasants lived.

Hell, you can see it today in China. Things never change under Communism.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (ZLI7S)

397 The judge, who happens to be black, was seen on TV rolling her eyes at Amber during her testimony, multiple times.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)

VERY unprofessional on his part.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (73Q5c)

398 If the facts are correct, what perfect storm it was. That it was an apartment where this guy had his door ajar or even closed but unlocked , had to be a million to one.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (oC40p)

399 my gun comment was just a general observation. I have not followed the case you guys are talking about and was not commenting on it.

Posted by: Quint at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (n13/j)

400 "An iceberg the size of Los Angeles has broken off of Antarctica."

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and immediately wrote a whistleblower report about trump

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (FEQY4)

401 You can't kill someone because you think they are an intruder---when the guy is in his OWN home.

How can that be justified?

...
Posted by: JoeF. at October 01, 2019 02:12 PM (NFEMn)

He voted for Trump.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (88+cf)

402 She was 100% guilty of negligent homicide. Texas law says because she's Murder 1, she's 5 to 99 years, which isn't what the Texas Rangers, not the baseball team, said it should've been.
Posted by: Sponge

I agree 100% with negligent homicide. Hard to see Murder, since Murder requires intent.

Unless she told cow-orkers that she was going home to kill someone.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (nQpdK)

403 if she was a little bit better looking, I'da let her off

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (AQBtr)

404 "An iceberg the size of Los Angeles has broken off of Antarctica."

Has poo all over it also.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 01, 2019 02:30 PM (88+cf)

405 364 It happened to me. Once. A reproduction 1863 Enfield rifle musket.
The powder detonated during reloading, while re-enacting. Fortunately, I
was following the loading manual of arms and wasn't injured. A change
in undergarments may have been needed. Modern firearms don't "go off".

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM (9tTBE)

Seen it at a live fire - not the same though.

That's why they (and we) were taught to pour the powder down the muzzle with their right palm making a shield between the muzzle and the faces.

At a live fire the guy next to me still had some cartridge paper in the barrel (was our guess) that was an ember and when he poured the round during the timed shoot drill it flared back. Left him with a powder tattoo on his palm, but saved his face from the discharge - which was the intent of the way they drilled them.

Also had a clown in column go off because he didn't go to half cock after we loaded to march out. He fingered the trigger and, it worked!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:30 PM (37IEG)

406 396 Hell, you can see it today in China. Things never change under Communism.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (ZLI7S)

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I don't know...some palaces certainly get bigger.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 02:30 PM (q80AH)

407 "An iceberg the size of Los Angeles has broken off of Antarctica."

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yeah, that's what happens. Ice moves out and then breaks off. Still, that's pretty cool, eh? Big ass iceberg. I wonder which rich fuck is going to land a chopper on it first and have a big ass party.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:30 PM (FEQY4)

408 I saw that bit in True Lies.
Are you telling me that the movie was full of lies?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 02:23 PM

The key word is "True". We proud progressives stand for truth over facts!

Posted by: James "JoeyB" Cameron at October 01, 2019 02:30 PM (DMUuz)

409
The conditions under which the President requested assistance from Ukraine AND Australia are addressed under separate Mutual Assistance Agreements with the respective countries that far predate either instance.

This means he has every right to request help or ask them to institute investigations of corruption in various incidents that involve our country.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 01, 2019 02:31 PM (KATBx)

410 That bobblehead Schiff is the nexus
Posted by: steevy

I prefer bobblehead Soros Son-In-Law Schiff.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 01, 2019 02:31 PM (3YHM0)

411 OT: Why, after all these years, must I be subjected to ads for Paris Hilton's Republican conversion? The whore just needs to go away.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2019 02:31 PM (T6t7i)

412
VERY unprofessional on his part.
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Her part. The judge is a black woman.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:31 PM (k4dH2)

413 The Ukrainian Schiff-Head Mystery, by Ellery Queen

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 01, 2019 02:31 PM (ClOmq)

414 The conditions under which the President requested assistance from Ukraine AND Australia are addressed under separate Mutual Assistance Agreements with the respective countries that far predate either instance.

This means he has every right to request help or ask them to institute investigations of corruption in various incidents that involve our country.

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just presidenting 101 stuff.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:32 PM (FEQY4)

415 I agree 100% with negligent homicide. Hard to see Murder, since Murder requires intent.

Unless she told cow-orkers that she was going home to kill someone.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (nQpdK)

Possibly confusing intent with being pemeditated. She confessed intent, point and shoot center mass.

Negligence is more like I forgot to set my brakes and the car rolled over a child, or shoddy construction killing someone.

Posted by: Someguy at October 01, 2019 02:32 PM (k3a3F)

416 Check out the Kurt Volker connections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Volker

"...a Senior Adviser at the Atlantic Council..."

On July 7, 2017, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed Ambassador Kurt Volker as the U. S. Special Representative for the Ukraine Negotiations." ... "On September 27, 2019, Volker resigned from this official, yet volunteer. position."

Note also that he was the executive director of the McCain Institute for International Leadership at Arizona State University.

Clearly, he was a Pro-McCain, Anti-Trumper.

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at October 01, 2019 02:32 PM (EMi53)

417 Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:17 PM (9tTBE)

I hope it is coming across that I do not mean to be arguing with you in a belligerent way! It's an interesting case, and I am really being more of Devil's Advocate here, just saying I can see her side (if she is being truthful)

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist

Not a problem.

I can see both sides too; I just don't believe that peasants are lesser human beings than cops. Her side is ugly, and ultimately indefensible.

The fact that the prosecutors went after her, and that the defense had her testify, underscores just how bad this was.

In the case of Andrew Finch, the man murdered by a cop in Wichita, the cops were able to hide behind the two idiot gamers that set that shitshow in motion. In that case, over a dozen police responded, and only one thought that there were grounds to shoot, so somehow that was justified and they're proud of themselves.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:32 PM (9tTBE)

418
I can't figure out what "professionalism" would even mean in the case of a judge. It can't be good.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 01, 2019 02:32 PM (AzW6q)

419 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:27 PM (k4dH2)

And this is why I will probably get shot by cops some day. My slow ass brain is still trying to process that some stranger has come into my house, so I am not even hearing her say "put your hands up"

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:32 PM (REiLc)

420
Schiff has a face in need of a baseball bat.

I think there is a German word for that.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (88+cf)

421 420
Schiff has a face in need of a baseball bat.

I think there is a German word for that.
Posted by: Roland THTG at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (88+cf)

Batpfeifengesicht

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (NWiLs)

422 Negligent homicide, at least in Texas, is never used for these kinds of cases. It comes into play most often in the case of vehicular deaths, where the cause was clearly an accident, but one person cause the accident by their negligence. (ran a red light, etc) Also when the person who caused the accident was unaware of what they were doing because they were intoxicated. Negligent homicide never has "intent".

Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is always an intentional act. Now there may be reasons and mitigating factors that allow it (self defense) but it is never a matter of "negligence" under the law. At least not Texas law.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (Kpl3J)

423 I think there is a German word for that.
<>Schiff-faced?

Posted by: FrodoB, learning to reload at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (wpA/B)

424
I've passed through some pretty crappy rural locations in West Virginia and Mississippi. Are the crappy rural locations in Eastern Europe crappier?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (7rVsF)

425 Unless she told cow-orkers that she was going home to kill someone.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM

We cow-orks aren't nearly as bad as those Uruk Hai orcs! In fact, we're often out standing in our fields!

Posted by: Elsie, Bessie, and Daisy at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (DMUuz)

426 395. diog ding ding!

Posted by: kallisto at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (WdajP)

427 Related Deep State news: Mueller has rejoined the law firm he was working at when he became special persecutor.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (6XLoz)

428 "Pete Buttigieg is pitching himself as an alternative to moderate Democrats who might not be sold on Joe Biden."

Ha!

The guy who said that life begins at first breath and not before is going to be the moderate?

Fuck, the Democratic Party is off the cliff.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (q80AH)

429 "An iceberg the size of Los Angeles has broken off of Antarctica."
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Of course, we'll get the hair-on-fire "ERMERGERD! Climate Change!!!11!!!" hysteria.

Never mind, it's going into summer down there....

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (vg8iE)

430 421 420
Schiff has a face in need of a baseball bat.

I think there is a German word for that.
Posted by: Roland THTG at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (88+cf)

Batpfeifengesicht
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (NWiLs)

[golf clap]

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (RD7QR)

431 Also had a clown in column go off because he didn't go to half cock after we loaded to march out. He fingered the trigger and, it worked!

Posted by: DamnedYankee

He's probably the reason why we can't use ramrods at re-enactments!

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (9tTBE)

432
Schiffsgesicht

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (AzW6q)

433 Schiff has a face in need of a baseball bat.

I think there is a German word for that.
Posted by: Roland THTG at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (88+cf)

there is

Schiff

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (AQBtr)

434 if she was a little bit better looking, I'da let her off
Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (AQBtr)

I will admit, I mentioned to myself multiple times watching some coverage of the trial that she's kinda hot. She's pretty stacked, for sure.

Maybe she'll need a pen pal while in the hoosegow.

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (Zz0t1)

435 VERY unprofessional on his part.

I should say so. Could the jury see the judge rolling here eyes?! In a murder trial, ffs?

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:35 PM (REiLc)

436 "Pete Buttigieg is pitching himself as an alternative to moderate Democrats who might not be sold on Joe Biden."
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Pitching himself?

Is that another word for "fap?"

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 01, 2019 02:35 PM (vg8iE)

437 Schiff has a face in need of a baseball bat.

I think there is a German word for that.
Posted by: Roland THTG at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (88+cf)

schittpunham

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:35 PM (AQBtr)

438 424

I've passed through some pretty crappy rural locations in West
Virginia and Mississippi. Are the crappy rural locations in Eastern
Europe crappier?

It is jarring the first time you see an ox up on blocks.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2019 02:35 PM (T6t7i)

439 398 If the facts are correct, what perfect storm it was. That it was an apartment where this guy had his door ajar or even closed but unlocked , had to be a million to one.
______________

It really was. If the strike plate hadn't been screwed in too tight, then the door would have been locked properly and the cop wouldn't have been able to get in. Instead, she'd have tried her key card, looked around and realized she was at the wrong apartment on the wrong floor, and gone home.

Instead, some poor guy is now dead and the cop is headed to prison for years -- all because some overzealous worker screwed the strike plate in too tightly.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2019 02:35 PM (k4dH2)

440 Daddy, Where does gas come from?

Posted by: HUNTER (T-BOONE) BIDEN at October 01, 2019 02:36 PM (lMn1U)

441 420
Schiff has a face in need of a baseball bat.
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I hit Adam Schiff in the face with a book; call dat Facebook

Posted by: Lil' Wayne at October 01, 2019 02:36 PM (BDZWU)

442 Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (Kpl3J)

They use it for 'accidental' discharge quite frequently when teens and twenty somethings kill a friend while messing with a firearm.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 02:36 PM (oC40p)

443 I wonder who recommended to trump that he nominate that guy as ICIG. He's a Mueller swamp creature. weird shit.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:36 PM (FEQY4)

444 Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (Kpl3J)

I very much appreciate your insight on this, thank you.

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at October 01, 2019 02:36 PM (REiLc)

445 434 if she was a little bit better looking, I'da let her off
Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:29 PM (AQBtr)

I will admit, I mentioned to myself multiple times watching some coverage of the trial that she's kinda hot. She's pretty stacked, for sure.

Maybe she'll need a pen pal while in the hoosegow.
Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (Zz0t1)

I'm sorry, I'm meant get her off

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2019 02:36 PM (AQBtr)

446 435
VERY unprofessional on his part.

I should say so. Could the jury see the judge rolling here eyes?! In a murder trial, ffs?

Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that would be grounds for a mistrial, and in a just world, a rebuke or forced retirement for the "judge".

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

447 I've passed through some pretty crappy rural locations in West Virginia and Mississippi. Are the crappy rural locations in Eastern Europe crappier?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM

****

Yup.
But the buildings are at least 200 years older so...character.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (axyOa)

448 A black woman judge rolling her eyes?

Posted by: davidt at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (L2A48)

449 Daddy, Where does gas come from?

Pull my finger.

Posted by: Joey "choo-choo" Biden at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (0CeRG)

450 Amber's crying performance was over the top.
Jury heard all the evidence and didn't break sweat returning the guilty verdict.

Posted by: jedoc at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (WX+x0)

451
I can understand why a young male staffer would go to Ukraine, even an older guy with the right pills, but Cindy?

cheaper child-blood transfusions?
=====

In-person meetings to convey the new bank account #s.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (MIKMs)

452 ...there's a "send us your s**t sample" substitute for colonoscopy, so I opted for that.
I hate those. Using that small Popsicle stick thing they give you to collect the sample really hurts my ass!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (Dh1wo)

453 448 A black woman judge rolling her eyes?
Posted by: davidt at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (L2A4

At least she didn't do three snaps and a head-wiggle.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2019 02:38 PM (NWiLs)

454 373

Flounder, if you read the IG's letter, the fil-in-the-blank form was completed originally. The "blanks" for information would have been the initial version of the complaint. That original complaint, before the lawyers dressed it up, needs to be seen.

Posted by: Ever at October 01, 2019 02:38 PM (ZZDMQ)

455 I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that would be
grounds for a mistrial, and in a just world, a rebuke or forced
retirement for the "judge".

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2019 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

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Forced retirement?!? Unpossible. There is a double negative in play - "black woman"

Posted by: Undocumented at October 01, 2019 02:38 PM (5NMZN)

456 Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is always an intentional act. Now there may be reasons and mitigating factors that allow it (self defense) but it is never a matter of "negligence" under the law. At least not Texas law.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (Kpl3J)

So, you're saying the Texas Rangers got it wrong.

Huh.....

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:38 PM (Zz0t1)

457 nood

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 01, 2019 02:38 PM (5l6gb)

458 I can understand why a young male staffer would go to Ukraine, even an older guy with the right pills, but Cindy?
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Cheap pills

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 01, 2019 02:39 PM (vg8iE)

459
Tex. Stat. Sec. 6.03

(d) A person acts with criminal negligence, or is criminally negligent, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he ought to be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

Nothing negligent about an intentional shooting. It's either murder or manslaughter.

Posted by: imp at October 01, 2019 02:39 PM (w+Z9D)

460
He's probably the reason why we can't use ramrods at re-enactments!

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 01, 2019 02:34 PM (9tTBE)
Heh - at Gettysburg 135 a couple of those came sailing across the field more or less in our general direction.
The noise they make is entertaining.
Idiots.
I'm surprised there are still re-enactments going on between the flags and all the other politically correct crap, though you can tell by my nic that I'm not on the side that people usually grumble about (unless you're in Vicksburg Mississippi

)

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 01, 2019 02:39 PM (37IEG)

461 When you're down a thumb the rest of your hand is pretty useless.

Posted by: ace

Not really.

Posted by: That Booger at October 01, 2019 02:40 PM (FhXTo)

462 442 Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:33 PM (Kpl3J)

They use it for 'accidental' discharge quite frequently when teens and twenty somethings kill a friend while messing with a firearm.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 02:36 PM (oC40p)

yes, should not have been so emphatic on that. You're goofing around with a gun, you drop it, it goes off and shoots your best friend that's negligence since anyone should have known not to play games with a loaded gun like that. But it's for cases that are clearly accidents.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:40 PM (Kpl3J)

463

So, you're saying the Texas Rangers got it wrong.

Huh.....
Posted by: Sponge

Key word: "Rangers," not lawyers.

Posted by: imp at October 01, 2019 02:40 PM (w+Z9D)

464 ...Mutual Assistance Agreements with the respective countries that far predate either instance.
Yep. Bill Clinton signed the one with Ukraine.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 01, 2019 02:41 PM (Dh1wo)

465 #91 it's worse than that. May have been a stalker relationship where the cop was a stalker, barged in on the black guy and shot him in his doorway while she was drunk and insane.

In the whole batshit-crazy situation, an explanation like that strikes me as most likely.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at October 01, 2019 02:42 PM (u//oP)

466 So, you're saying the Texas Rangers got it wrong.

Huh.....
Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:38 PM (Zz0t1)

Actually, we're saying that the Jury got it right.

btw, the Judge's eyerolling wasn't just reserved for the Defendant. The best shot of that was when the Judge chewed out the Prosecutor at the beginning of the trial, since she had ordered no one to talk about it in public, and the night before the trial began the Prosecutor gave an interview about it to the local News Crew. I wanted her to say "Did you HEAR the words comin' OUTTA my MOUTH!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:43 PM (Kpl3J)

467 465 #91 it's worse than that. May have been a stalker relationship where the cop was a stalker, barged in on the black guy and shot him in his doorway while she was drunk and insane.

In the whole batshit-crazy situation, an explanation like that strikes me as most likely.

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don't count on my account, that was what I was told the day after it happened...er was reportered. there's like 2 dozen people discussing this in more detail.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:44 PM (FEQY4)

468 Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2019 02:40 PM (Kpl3J)

Agree ,but off topic, I put accidental in parentheses because I would bet 9 out of 10 stories are lies on how it happened.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 02:44 PM (oC40p)

469 "And this is why I will probably get shot by cops some day. My slow ass brain is still trying to process that some stranger has come into my house, so I am not even hearing her say "put your hands up""

I carry both outside and inside the house. If Guyger came in while I'm here, she'd stand a good chance of getting shot. But she wouldn't come in, because I'm not on her unwanted-bf list, and I don't "leave my door ajar." She'd have to break down the barricade, which alerts me, and sinks her "ajar" story. So she'd have to ambush me outside someplace.

Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 01, 2019 02:44 PM (mk9aG)

470 Key word: "Rangers," not lawyers.
Posted by: imp at October 01, 2019 02:40 PM (w+Z9D)

Enforcers of the law, and those investigating crimes, one would think, know something about the law.

I guess I've had it all wrong all these years.

SCREW YOU copper!!! YOU DON'T KNOW THE LAW!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at October 01, 2019 02:45 PM (Zz0t1)

471
he walked towards her saying "hey, hey, hey"

That's what I always do.

Posted by: Fat Albert at October 01, 2019 02:45 PM (aKsyK)

472 don't count on my account, that was what I was told the day after it happened...er was reportered. there's like 2 dozen people discussing this in more detail.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:44 PM (FEQY4)

I'm not, but something along those lines has crossed my mind. I am 100% convinced she did not think she was entering her own apartment.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at October 01, 2019 02:45 PM (u//oP)

473 So, if she gets murder charges, what's going to happen to the cops in Houston who killed Tuttle and his wife? They lied, manipulated evidence, and stormed his house like Vikings.

Posted by: Jean at October 01, 2019 02:47 PM (B7KlG)

474 So, if she gets murder charges, what's going to happen to the cops in Houston who killed Tuttle and his wife? They lied, manipulated evidence, and stormed his house like Vikings.
Posted by: Jean at October 01, 2019 02:47 PM (B7KlG)

That was murder.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 01, 2019 02:48 PM (oC40p)

475 I'm not, but something along those lines has crossed my mind. I am 100% convinced she did not think she was entering her own apartment.

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my 2 seconds of reflection.

either a psycho stalker with a cop attitude or girl-cop panicked.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 01, 2019 02:48 PM (FEQY4)

476

Enforcers of the law, and those investigating crimes, one would think, know something about the law.

I guess I've had it all wrong all these years.

SCREW YOU copper!!! YOU DON'T KNOW THE LAW!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge

The police at any level are trained to assess whether certain conduct meets the elements of certain enumerated offenses . They do not have any say in either how the DA charges the suspect or how the judge or jury determine whether the conduct meets the elements of any given crime.

So, no, they don't know all that much about what constitutes a crime in the final analysis. They just know whether to write Sec. 19.02, 19.03, 19.04, or 19.05. I don't even know if their opinion on the arrest form is admissible.

Posted by: imp at October 01, 2019 02:55 PM (w+Z9D)

477 >>>>> <i>Kyiv is apparently a lovely place. I'd love to see
Prague/Warsaw/Kyiv. The countryside in Ukraine, on the other hand, is
apparently pretty poor.</i>

>>>>>>>>>> <i>Go to any former Soviet colony and you will see the same thing. Some
really nice cities where the Party elite lived and poverty in the
countryside where the peasants lived.</i>

Go to any flyover
country* locale in this nation, and you will see precisely the same
devastation wrought by NAFTA and MFN for China.

There is NO
DIFFERENCE WHATSOVER between Crapitalism KKKommunism - both
systems are run by precisely the same parasites, and both systems
produce precisely the same results: The Top 1% get 99% of everything,
and the bottom 99% are left with 1% [to attempt to survive on].

That's
assuming the bottom 99% are allowed to receive anything whatsoever -
assuming they are not simply Holodomor'ed or Roe-v-Wade'ed right out of
existence.

*And you don't even need to go to flyover country. For
instance, if you're in the greater Tri-States/NYC area, then hop in
your car, drive north to Buffalo, and witness mile after mile after mile
of empty, boarded-up old business establishments manufacturing
facilities [as recently as 120 years ago, Buffalo was the 8th largest
city in the USA</a>].

All brought to you courtesy of Crapitalism == KKKommunism Incorporated.

Posted by: Muh Name at October 01, 2019 02:56 PM (9nSxK)

478 Jesus H Christ this some seriously finicky software.

Posted by: Muh Name at October 01, 2019 02:56 PM (9nSxK)

479 NW Ukraine is booming with euro car factories and building supply manufacturing. Dneipro still has Yuz.

Posted by: Jean at October 01, 2019 02:58 PM (B7KlG)

480 195 "I've tried to get in a car that wasn't mine. Damn key wouldn't work though."

A few years went to the doctor and when I came out to the parking lot (cold sober), some asshole had put a HILLARY! sticker on my back bumper!

So I began to scrape at it and tear it off. Pretty soon cops roll up with an irate lady that says I am vandalizing her car! I tell her she probably vandalized MY car with her goddam sticker.

As I protest, cop helpfully suggests the fucking absolutely IDENTICAL car in the next stall is probably mine. It was. That's why I heard doors unlock when I pressed my keyfob, but they were from my car, behind my back!

Fortunately the Hillary lady was much nicer than her favorite candidate, and everyone laughed it off.

As I went to get into my car, the doors would not unlock and while I still heard locks clicking, I could see the latch knobs were not moving. I flagged down the cop as he drove away and asked if he could call me a mobile locksmith, because my car would not inlock.

That's when he looked past me and said "Holy shit!", and started laughing. I turned around to find the next car was ALSO absolutely identical to mine (dark green BMW sedan), and this one really was my car!!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 01, 2019 02:58 PM (TlVa0)

481

Memorizing one's license plate number goes a long way toward elimination embarrassing car identification problems.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 01, 2019 03:07 PM (KATBx)

482 Had a coworker come Out of a hotel and drive a rental car to breakfast meeting. He noticed his jacket was missing from the back of the car, so went back to hotel - thinking he had left it in his room. Cops were there, because someone else at the hotel was making a stolen car report. His rental car key opened and started the other guys car - same make/model/color. His jacket was in back. Cops weren't surprised.

Posted by: Jean at October 01, 2019 03:15 PM (B7KlG)

483 I'm not arguing with Quint about Louis L'amour, because he was eminently sensible about arms use in the West. But you do have to remind yourself, when you work up your carry plan, that an old-west revolver is always single action only (you have to cock the hammer each time you fire), and that is all the safety there is.

With a little practice, you can easily figure out how to "carry on an empty chamber, " so there is no chance that a quick flip of the hammer, or the pistol falling out as you ride (which must have happened a lot), will not result in a "negligent discharge."
And, it takes a lot of practice to cock and fire that first shot fast. They're really pretty safe to carry, if you have a thong to hold it in the holster when you are mounted.

"Modern" semi-auto pistols work a whole different way. I for one (and, likely the only damn one) am fine with carrying with an empty chamber, or loaded and locked, since the movements required to render the pistol active are trivially small compared to big old revolvers.

So there's nothing wrong with Louis's advice, but I still might not offer it, wholesale, to every pistol-carrier in today's situations.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 01, 2019 03:17 PM (8ZmvG)

484 Notice those ANTIFA AH's only show up in urban areas in secure Blue States. They know where their bread is buttered. And they are probably being financed by SOROS and Democrats. If they showed up in Podunck, SC the police and National Guard would show and and beat the living sh*t out of them, then the local judge would sentence them to 364 days in jail with no parole. Unless they actually created a riot, then they would rot in the State Prison.

Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2019 03:20 PM (mpXpK)

485 483
I'm not arguing with Quint about Louis L'amour, because he was
eminently sensible about arms use in the West. But you do have to remind
yourself, when you work up your carry plan, that an old-west revolver
is always single action only (you have to cock the hammer each time you
fire), and that is all the safety there is.

Not true for new SA revolvers. They have a "half-cock" mode that is the safety. It can not be fired from that mode.

Posted by: Vic at October 01, 2019 03:22 PM (mpXpK)

486 Not to say I told you so... But I did tell you so several times since Thursday that the actual source of the 'whistleblower' was Adam Shittforbrains. The 1st hand source is in Ukraine. Look for Adam Stiff's corrupt contact there.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at October 01, 2019 11:30 PM (af5xa)

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