We're From The Government, And We Want To Pry Into Your Most Private And Personal Issues

The infantilization of America continues apace with this newest intrusion into the doctor-patient relationship. The idea that physicians need idiotic bureaucratic direction to treat their patients is ridiculous.

For the first time, U.S. panel recommends screening adults for illicit drug use

First of all because the reality is that these instructions, just like most of the blather coming out of officialdom these days will be absorbed into the vast electronic wasteland that is modern medicine. You will fill out a form, drone on to a clerk or a nurse practitioner, and the data, just like most of your medical file, will be lost in the insanity that is electronic record keeping.

Second -- and much more important -- diktats from on high should never be a part of anyone's relationship with his physician. It's simply none of anyone else's business. What's next? Priests and rabbis and ministers will be given a list of approved questions for their congregants in need?

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

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Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 12:16 PM (BbGew)

2 President Ron said the worst words to hear were " we're from the government and want to help"

I dutifully called em'

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 12:18 PM (BbGew)

3 It's simply none of anyone else's business. What's next? Priests and rabbis and ministers will be given a list of approved questions for their congregants in need?

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Well, Yes.

Posted by: Governmental Overreach at August 25, 2019 12:18 PM (Y4EXg)

4 For the first time, U.S. panel recommends screening adults for illicit drug use

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Ten year pilot plan with welfare recipients as the pool and then we'll talk.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 99 gun homicides, 0% by white men at August 25, 2019 12:20 PM (UxP0a)

5 Most of the health care business costs in this country is bureaucratic paperwork.

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 12:21 PM (BbGew)

6 Would someone please explain to me how this doesn't violate the 4th Amendment (unreasonable search and siezure)?
"[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:22 PM (T6t7i)

7 Honestly, that seems like it would be a piece of cake.

Anytime a Medicaid recipient receives any type of medical care they get to pee in a cup to test for illegal drug use, red flags, and criminal prosecution. Let's get some numbers out there, people!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 99 gun homicides, 0% by white men at August 25, 2019 12:22 PM (UxP0a)

8 arghhhh. Seizure, not siezure.

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:22 PM (T6t7i)

9 It's been said wait until all medical personnel records are in the " cloud" meaning for any enterprising criminal to get them.

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 12:23 PM (BbGew)

10 HIPA says wha?

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 12:23 PM (auyrm)

11 Third - The Government can never be trusted.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 12:24 PM (auyrm)

12 Crowder's Hilarious bit on Brian Stelter, called Helter Stelter:

https://youtu.be/t31rUX3QDiQ

Posted by: Sharkman at August 25, 2019 12:25 PM (6qa8a)

13 HIPA says wha?

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It sucks to know that an 11th grader answering phones at her uncles dental office has to worry more about being punished under federal law than folks who attempted a coup against the United States.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 99 gun homicides, 0% by white men at August 25, 2019 12:26 PM (UxP0a)

14 If they ask I'll answer it the same way I answered the gun question......none of your business. That's even though I have not ever used illegal drugs. I have enough problems with the number of legal drugs I'm taking.

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2019 12:27 PM (mpXpK)

15 Lie, lie to everything.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at August 25, 2019 12:27 PM (pw+jk)

16 The US Preventive Services Task Force ...screening adults for illicit substance use is overall beneficial

Overall beneficial? Is that the test we now use for ignoring basic rights? Good to know. I guess that means we can order searches of demographic subgroups that are prone to other maladies as well, right?

However, as stated above, I have no problem with requiring a drug test if you're going to receive taxpayer money. Don't like it? Don't take the money.

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:27 PM (T6t7i)

17 7
Honestly, that seems like it would be a piece of cake.

Anytime a Medicaid recipient receives any type of medical care they
get to pee in a cup to test for illegal drug use, red flags, and
criminal prosecution. Let's get some numbers out there, people!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 99 gun homicides, 0% by white men at August 25, 2019 12:22 PM (UxP0a)

I'm on Medicare and I don't get that, even tough I have to pee in a cup for another test. Half the time because I pee before hitting the waiting room I don't have any pee for the cup.

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2019 12:29 PM (mpXpK)

18 I'm not going to bother going to the link, so maybe there's something nefarious lurking here that I don't see.

What's the problem here?

Medical personnel asking about illicit substance use? That's pretty much been par for the course for some time. They also ask about alcohol use, and things like depression and all that.

Not exactly the same thing as asking about how many guns one owns.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)

19 If they ask I'll answer it the same way I answered the gun question......none of your business.

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That is counted as a yes. Possibly with a big red checkmark beside it for a real troublemaker who probably believes in terrorist-minded stuff like the 10th Amendment and balanced budgets.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 99 gun homicides, 0% by white men at August 25, 2019 12:29 PM (UxP0a)

20 You called?

California bill aims to protect children by breaking seal of confession
https://t.ly/rM5MX

Posted by: California at August 25, 2019 12:30 PM (t1tHS)

21 I am the Egg man.
I am the EGG MAN.
I am the walrus!!!

Posted by: Brian Stetler at August 25, 2019 12:31 PM (pw+jk)

22
My
old company did test for illegal drugs. It was a federal requirement
for nuke workers in certain jobs. So they tested everybody.

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2019 12:32 PM (mpXpK)

23 I have no use for addicts but this is an unreasonable intrusion. It won't stop here either. They already push the idea about asking about firearms...what's next... "have you or anyone you love suffered due to toxic masculinity?"

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 25, 2019 12:32 PM (ltuaO)

24 A couple of years ago I was checking in for my annual visit to my primary care guy. This was a well patient visit. Recorded my height and weight, body temp and bp, asked the usual, "any changes to your health, medications". Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".

This was in an exam room, I was sitting on a table, and she was seated at a lower table typing into a computer. I paused, honestly thought I hadn't heard her right. Was just looking at her and finally, when the silence became too much, she looked at me. I said, "what?". Very apologetically she explained that they had to ask that question. I affirmed that I felt safe at home and then asked if anyone ever says 'no'? She shook her head.

Posted by: steve walsh at August 25, 2019 12:33 PM (vf96M)

25 Medical personnel asking about illicit substance
use? That's pretty much been par for the course for some time. They
also ask about alcohol use, and things like depression and all that.

So then why do we need a government diktat?

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:33 PM (T6t7i)

26 I once worked in a place that had "random" drug testing. It was hilarious how often the straight-laced, top-performing non-diverse employees were always the only ones picked to randomly go pee in a cup every month or two.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 99 gun homicides, 0% by white men at August 25, 2019 12:34 PM (UxP0a)

27 We do onsite work for refineries so drug and alcohol testing is mandatory..for obvious reasons.

Posted by: IC at August 25, 2019 12:34 PM (NbVTj)

28
What's next? Priests and rabbis and ministers will be given a list of approved questions for their congregants in need?
Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

Oct 15, 2014 � Houston has asked five local conservative pastors to turn over sermons about a controversial new city ordinance that bans discrimination against LGBT people. The original subpoenas demanded to see any preaching related to homosexuality and gender identity.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 25, 2019 12:34 PM (aKsyK)

29 I am the walrus!!!

Posted by: Brian Stetler

No, I am the Walrus!

Posted by: Spartacus at August 25, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)

30 Aww come on man. Look I have always told Doctor Jill about my efforts to kick paste. Mann it's a hell of a drug and isn't good for anybody. Even someone as smart as I am.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 25, 2019 12:36 PM (pw+jk)

31 C'mon folks, there's a crisis.

Just like the Amazon burning.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 12:36 PM (6qErC)

32 I remember getting a physical when I was a ute in high skool for football and the doc was smoking a coffin nail while he put me thru my paces.

This was before we became a nation of 8 year olds.

Never tell the guvmint the truth unless you absolutely have to.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 12:36 PM (Z+IKu)

33 Even if you could find an M.D. who might be willing to practice quietly on the black market, it'd be next to useless as he or she couldn't prescribe meds, without lighting up the neon-searchlight.

Oh, for the days of unrestricted samples and a nod n' wink from the Doc!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 12:37 PM (QzJWU)

34 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".

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Have you noticed all the signs in all the doctors offices and government buildings about how you don't have to be a sex slave?

Walls on our southern border are racist or something, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 99 gun homicides, 0% by white men at August 25, 2019 12:37 PM (UxP0a)

35 http://bit.ly/2L9CXAm
*******
EXCLUSIVE: John Brennan Caught in Another Big One - Claims Ignorance of Material Events Involving Trump - Russia Collusion Conspiracy While in Office
*******
Wonder if Adul will find it in his Momma's Book like Bubba Clinton did

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 12:37 PM (BqBId)

36 Never tell the guvmint the truth "

You misspelled "a da*n thing"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 12:38 PM (6qErC)

37 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".

A - I have a 1911, what do you think?

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 12:39 PM (BbGew)

38 Are you now, or have you ever been a white man?

Posted by: Gillette Marketing Department at August 25, 2019 12:39 PM (pw+jk)

39 If all they're talking about is asking about use of illegal drugs or abuse of drugs, that is already in effect in my experience. I get asked that at the VA where I seek medical care and they test for illegal drugs when ever I'm about to have a surgical procedure.

Posted by: sawhorse at August 25, 2019 12:39 PM (ARGoY)

40 about how you don't have to be a sex slave"

Yeah. "Trafficking" has become the new bogeyman...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (6qErC)

41 http://bit.ly/2L5Lwfy
*******
Vanity Fair Interviewed Epstein's Accusers but Never Published Their Report After Epstein Visited Offices
*******
Whoever Epstein's handlers were they were pretty powerful

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (BqBId)

42 A - I have a 1911, what do you think?"

That's a good start?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (6qErC)

43 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".

Yes. Between wrapping my house in tinfoil, and plugging up my toilets so the subterranean lizard people can't get in, I do feel safe. Why do you ask?

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (T6t7i)

44 Medical personnel asking about illicit substance
use? That's pretty much been par for the course for some time. They
also ask about alcohol use, and things like depression and all that.

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So then why do we need a government diktat?
Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:33 PM (T6t7i)

Unless I'm missing something here, it's not like anyone is saying it's a requirement. I realize healthcare is like that these days, that government "recommendations" sure sound like requirements, but I've never seen anything like the crackdown on practitioners who don't follow government "recommendations."

What can and does happen, more than anything else, is insurance companies causing practitioners to follow the money, so if the insurer says you gotta ask these questions, the questions get asked.

That being said, I would basically recommend anyone going in to a doctor's office, under any circumstance, being asked questions like "do you use drugs, do you smoke, are you suicidal, are you being abused..." those aren't bad things for a healthcare professional to ask.

But you gotta know your patient, and you have to have some common sense about how you ask these things. Lots of practitioners don't know what the hell they're doing, so the mental health questions are asked awkwardly and unhelpfully.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 12:41 PM (cY3LT)

45
It was already ruined. Massive loss of medical privacy was inflicted under Obama. Add new intrusive questions to increase patient risk when the inevitable security breaches occur, waste medical personnel's' time with useless record keeping, make it all electronic so it can be accessed or hacked by almost anyone, and as far as the strict patient privacy law (HIPPA), the Left ignores the law when it benefits them, remember?

The other thing about the Left is that death in large numbers means nothing to them if it facilitates The Revolution.

It's about power and nothing else.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 25, 2019 12:42 PM (t5m5e)

46 I remember this one guy I was representing when I was pretending to be a defense attorney. I told him I could reduce his sentence from 10 years to 1 year if he snitched on everybody. "Snitches get stiches," he said. "But a stich in time saves nine," I said. So he ratted everyone out. Then I turned around and betrayed attorney-client privilege and got him the death penalty. They executed him last year. I didn't get in trouble because I'm not really a lawyer. Nowadays I pass the time pretending to be a dairy farmer. That's a long way to getting around to supporting the proposal about screening for drugs. I suspect a lot of the help on my farm use drugs, and I don't want to get sued if one of them gets injured on the hay elevator. Well, it's not really my farm, but that's neither here nor there.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 25, 2019 12:44 PM (jh17W)

47 8 arghhhh. Seizure, not siezure.
Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:22 PM
~~~
gubbmints already collecting and analyzing typos/autocorrects

{adjusts tinfoil hat}

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 12:45 PM (Roy2Z)

48 Pre-registered by phone on Thursday for an ultrasound test on Friday. Last series of questions was about my ethnicity and race. After the first question I told the interviewer that I'm an American. What else do you need to know!
Such stupidity. If you cut me open I bleed red blood, my subcutaneous flesh and my bones are the same color as other races, creeds, etc. I'm human. It's not nor should it be a census questionnaire.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 25, 2019 12:47 PM (N3JsI)

49
Unless I'm missing something here, it's not like anyone is saying
it's a requirement. I realize healthcare is like that these days, that
government "recommendations" sure sound like requirements, but I've
never seen anything like the crackdown on practitioners who don't follow
government "recommendations."

What can and does happen, more than anything else, is insurance
companies causing practitioners to follow the money, so if the insurer
says you gotta ask these questions, the questions get asked.

I think you've identified the problem. Government recommendations aren't really voluntary, especially when the insurance companies get a large chunk of their money from tax dollars.

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:48 PM (T6t7i)

50 Hypothetically, a thoroughly conservative government might require abortion data, as well.

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 12:48 PM (Roy2Z)

51 If all they're talking about is asking about use of illegal drugs or abuse of drugs, that is already in effect in my experience. I get asked that at the VA where I seek medical care and they test for illegal drugs when ever I'm about to have a surgical procedure.
Posted by: sawhorse at August 25, 2019 12:39 PM (ARGoY)

Surgeons don't like uncertainty. If you have this or that in your system, it can mess with their results, and that can lead to lawsuits.

Nothing scares surgeons more than lawsuits.

So they won't operate until your body is clean of all substances that can cause their knife to mess you up in ways they can't predict.

My belief is, the best solution for humans is to stay as far away from surgeons as one can, for as long as one can, because once they start cutting on you, your body is going to speed up its deterioration process.

One day, in the probably not-so-distant future, humans will view surgery the way we do bloodletting and phrenology. Primitive, barbaric, and wholly unnecessary.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 12:49 PM (cY3LT)

52 >>One day, in the probably not-so-distant future, humans will view surgery the way we do bloodletting and phrenology. Primitive, barbaric, and wholly unnecessary.

This is insane.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 12:50 PM (auyrm)

53 One day, in the probably not-so-distant future, humans will view surgery the way we do bloodletting and phrenology. Primitive, barbaric, and wholly unnecessary.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 12:49 PM

You're not the first to observe this.

Posted by: Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy at August 25, 2019 12:51 PM (M4zNB)

54 ...One day, in the probably not-so-distant future, humans will view surgery the way we do bloodletting and phrenology. Primitive, barbaric, and wholly unnecessary.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 12:49 PM (cY3LT)

The five Stainless Steel screws that the SURGEON used to re-assemble my left ankle, vehemently disagree with your postulation.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 12:52 PM (QzJWU)

55 You can thank ObamaCare for these questions being asked.

It was written into the bill that there would be community welfare checks , they just haven't moved on to these questions being asked by a panel instead of Dr. but it is in there.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 25, 2019 12:53 PM (6dEJQ)

56
It's no accident that this drug screening crap is coming up at the same time the commie cocksuckers are talking about gun red flag laws.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 12:53 PM (ur8yz)

57 Pre-registered by phone on Thursday for an ultrasound test on Friday. Last series of questions was about my ethnicity and race. After the first question I told the interviewer that I'm an American. What else do you need to know!
Such stupidity. If you cut me open I bleed red blood, my subcutaneous flesh and my bones are the same color as other races, creeds, etc. I'm human. It's not nor should it be a census questionnaire.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 25, 2019 12:47 PM

Drugs metabolize differently depending on your racial/ethnic genetics.

Posted by: Chuck C at August 25, 2019 12:54 PM (zCabI)

58
48 Pre-registered by phone on Thursday for an ultrasound test on Friday. Last series of questions was about my ethnicity and race.

[...]

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 25, 2019 12:47 PM (N3JsI)

It's so lawyers representing minorities can create class action lawsuits for underrepresentation as patients, or overrepresentation for particular illnesses and complications.

Also, when the government finishes destroying the healthcare system, the data will be vital for rationing whatever remnant exists with preference to the right people, i.e. protected classes.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 25, 2019 12:54 PM (t5m5e)

59 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".
Yes. Between wrapping my house in tinfoil, and plugging up my toilets so the subterranean lizard people can't get in, I do feel safe. Why do you ask?
Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (T6t7i)

Hahaha...now that's funny.

I think I will use that some time in the near future.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 12:55 PM (Z+IKu)

60 Red flag. Red Flag!

Posted by: doggeh in heat at August 25, 2019 12:55 PM (+ObfJ)

61 29 I am the walrus!!!

Posted by: Brian Stetler

No, I am the Walrus!
Posted by: Spartacus
~~~
Guys, can't we all get along?
There can be two walruses (walrusies?)

Its not like THE Ohio State University, ya know!

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 12:56 PM (Roy2Z)

62 First of all because the reality is that these instructions, just like most of the blather
Second -- and much more important -- diktats

Importantly, it will bias his observation.

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 12:57 PM (3XdZI)

63 Why don't they just start illicit drug testing with all of the street living people? That should keep the bureaucrats busy for a while. A lifetime. What will they do with all of this new-found data anyway?

Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 12:57 PM (9+jnX)

64 Better idea :

How about they try and unfuck the insurance market so I can afford insurance, again?

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 12:58 PM (auyrm)

65 The potential problem is; if the government requires it the government means to have access to the information, otherwise what mandate it.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at August 25, 2019 12:58 PM (7+Cb9)

66 29 I am the walrus!!!
Posted by: Brian Stetler

=====

No, I am the Walrus!
Posted by: Spartacus at August 25, 2019 12:34 PM

Although rarely, there are, how you say, times I wish I had a particular walrussian property, the baculum.

Posted by: Paolo at August 25, 2019 12:58 PM (M4zNB)

67 what = why

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at August 25, 2019 12:59 PM (7+Cb9)

68 Its not like THE(c) Ohio State University, ya know!
Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 12:56 PM

FIFY.

Posted by: THE Ohio State University at August 25, 2019 01:01 PM (M4zNB)

69 59 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".
Yes. Between wrapping my house in tinfoil, and plugging up my toilets so the subterranean lizard people can't get in, I do feel safe. Why do you ask?
Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (T6t7i)

The blood running down from the attic worries me at times but mostly I feel safe.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at August 25, 2019 01:01 PM (II6Oo)

70 How about they try and unfuck the insurance market so I can afford insurance, again?"

Because they really, really, really want to help you. Cause they're smahter than you, and know what's good for you.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:02 PM (6qErC)

71 48
Pre-registered by phone on Thursday for an ultrasound test on Friday.
Last series of questions was about my ethnicity and race. After the
first question I told the interviewer that I'm an American. What else do
you need to know!
Such stupidity. If you cut me open I bleed red
blood, my subcutaneous flesh and my bones are the same color as other
races, creeds, etc. I'm human. It's not nor should it be a census
questionnaire.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 25, 2019 12:47 PM (N3JsI)

If Mexican or Honduran can be a race why not American?

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at August 25, 2019 01:03 PM (7+Cb9)

72 I always screened for illicit drug use. Many mental health symptoms can be side effects of these.

Posted by: CN at August 25, 2019 01:03 PM (U7k5w)

73 I used to occasionally drop in on a British libertarian site. One of their mottos was "the state is your enemy."

Seems to be increasingly true.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at August 25, 2019 01:03 PM (II6Oo)

74 Mom's last well-check had a new questionaire for her(me) to fill out. (She's 89.) Very invasive questions about drug use, illicit behaviors, weapons, and feeling safe in home. I put does not apply for the answers. No questions were asked after it was turned in.

Posted by: My life is insanity at August 25, 2019 01:03 PM (Z/jzm)

75 O/T,

A young woman at my church has just lost her husband, an Illinois State Trooper, in a shootout.

https://tinyurl.com/yy8d69p7

She was at church today, after losing her husband on Friday.

Prayers would be much appreciated for her, her children (1 y.o. daughter, 4 y.o. twin boys), and the rest of the family.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:04 PM (RU4sa)

76 @70
The insurance market could be unfucked in five minutes and a single page of legislation.

But what we will eventually get will having us pine for the monstrosity we have now.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 25, 2019 01:04 PM (1w2yE)

77 Unless I'm missing something here, it's not like anyone is saying it's a requirement. I realize healthcare is like that these days, that government "recommendations" sure sound like requirements, but I've never seen anything like the crackdown on practitioners who don't follow
government "recommendations."

What can and does happen, more than anything else, is insurance companies causing practitioners to follow the money, so if the insurer says you gotta ask these questions, the questions get asked.
--------------------------
I think you've identified the problem. Government recommendations aren't really voluntary, especially when the insurance companies get a large chunk of their money from tax dollars.
Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:48 PM (T6t7i)

I don't get the impression the government dictates to insurance companies, so much as insurance companies, like other Big Money players out there, get the government to do their bidding.

So in the end, it probably doesn't make much difference to us, as the result is the same.

There's a way for all this stuff to actually be helpful to people though, how healthcare deals with the "problem" behaviors that humans can get up to, and if done right, would actually lead to better health and better lives.

I realize we're not really there though.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:05 PM (cY3LT)

78 SMH, prayers ascending.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 25, 2019 01:06 PM (6dEJQ)

79 Oh, for the days of unrestricted samples and a nod n' wink from the Doc!

Yes, the fed took care of that.
You can only imagine how appreciative folks on a budget were of those free samples. It's an injustice what they did.

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 01:06 PM (3XdZI)

80 Thanks Ben Had.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:06 PM (RU4sa)

81
I remember getting a physical when I was a ute in high skool for football and the doc was smoking a coffin nail while he put me thru my paces.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 12:36 PM (Z+IKu)

Heh.

To celebrate their 75th Anniversary back in 2000, Warner Brothers did short theatrical runs of a bunch of their classic films. Casablanca, Mildred Pierce, The Wild Bunch among others. And The Exorcist.

Theater was about half full, and when Ellen Burstyn was talking to the psychiatrist about her possessed daughter, the doc pauses on-screen to light up a smoke. The whole audience started laughing, realizing that they'd never again see a doctor character smoking on-screen.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 01:06 PM (ur8yz)

82 So, anyone catch the news that Japan has tentatively agreed to mass US corn buys over the rest of the year?
It wasn't on the news?

Huh. Wonder why?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:07 PM (6qErC)

83 People's republic of New York starts its Red Flag laws Saturday.
It will be accusations first, sort your rights out later

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 01:07 PM (BbGew)

84 *Since 2008, opioid ...use disorders have become a national epidemic.*...The task force also found that psychosocial interventions like behavioral therapy can help adults avoid or reduce their use of illicit drugs, particularly cannabis.
~~~
Now weed is NOT okay?

And the opioid crisis? Sounds like the panel was asleep at the wheel for a decade.

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 01:07 PM (Roy2Z)

85 My Pediatrician lived on a strict diet of Camel Nons, Bananas and Pasta.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 01:08 PM (auyrm)

86 Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:07 PM
~~~
Daily reminder: orangemanbad

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 01:08 PM (Roy2Z)

87 65 The potential problem is; if the government requires it the government means to have access to the information, otherwise what mandate it.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at August 25, 2019 12:58 PM (7+Cb9)

Never.

Posted by: Bob at NSA at August 25, 2019 01:09 PM (3XdZI)

88 >>So, anyone catch the news that Japan has tentatively agreed to mass US corn buys over the rest of the year?

Probably a bunch of Soy, too.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 01:09 PM (auyrm)

89 ...One day, in the probably not-so-distant future, humans will view surgery the way we do bloodletting and phrenology. Primitive, barbaric, and wholly unnecessary.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 12:49 PM (cY3LT)

The five Stainless Steel screws that the SURGEON used to re-assemble my left ankle, vehemently disagree with your postulation.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 12:52 PM (QzJWU)

We do the best we can with the tools we have... right now.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:09 PM (cY3LT)

90 >>We do the best we can with the tools we have... right now.

How do you propse dealing with an aortic aneurysm without surgery?

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 01:10 PM (auyrm)

91 82 ever have rice every day for a year?

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 01:11 PM (BbGew)

92
Prayers would be much appreciated for her, her children (1 y.o. daughter, 4 y.o. twin boys), and the rest of the family.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:04 PM (RU4sa)

+++
Terribly tragic. Prayers, indeed.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:11 PM (9+jnX)

93 Was recently in for an annual check-up. Questions included *Do you smoke* (never have).

But nothing on vaping? (that neither)

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 01:11 PM (Roy2Z)

94 Since 2008, opioid ...use disorders have become a national epidemic"

So it's 2001's "summer of the shark" again?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:11 PM (6qErC)

95 great, once this is implemented we can have that drug test for welfare recipients, right?

or is that still the rayciss?

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at August 25, 2019 01:12 PM (RKQ/v)

96 In one medical clinic I went to, the waiting-room seating had individual chrome ashtrays molded into the arms of the chairs.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:13 PM (9+jnX)

97 >>Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:04 PM (RU4sa)

+++
Terribly tragic. Prayers, indeed.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:11 PM (9+jnX)

Ditto

Posted by: My life is insanity at August 25, 2019 01:13 PM (Z/jzm)

98 O/T,

A young woman at my church has just lost her husband, an Illinois State Trooper, in a shootout.

https://tinyurl.com/yy8d69p7

She was at church today, after losing her husband on Friday.

Prayers would be much appreciated for her, her children (1 y.o. daughter, 4 y.o. twin boys), and the rest of the family.
Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:04 PM (RU4sa)

So sad, and so sorry about this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:14 PM (Ofz3/)

99 *Since 2008, opioid ...use disorders have become a national epidemic.*...The task force also found that psychosocial interventions like behavioral therapy can help adults avoid or reduce their use of illicit drugs, particularly cannabis.
~~~
Now weed is NOT okay?

And the opioid crisis? Sounds like the panel was asleep at the wheel for a decade.
Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 01:07 PM (Roy2Z)

The current "opioid crisis" is primarily the fact that the Chinese are funneling more deadly versions through Mexico, and it's causing all those "functional" heroin addicts to die or at least overdose in ways that cost lots and lots of money.

We'd be better off as a country if we... hmmm, where have I heard this before... sealed off the border more fully.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:14 PM (cY3LT)

100 Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:04 PM

Will do, God be with her

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 01:14 PM (BbGew)

101 or is that still the rayciss?
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at August 25, 2019 01:12 PM (RKQ/v)

Ummmmmmm.....Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 01:15 PM (Z+IKu)

102 We've been in an opioid crisis since 1898.
Will it ever end?

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 01:16 PM (3XdZI)

103 >>We do the best we can with the tools we have... right now.

------------------
How do you propse dealing with an aortic aneurysm without surgery?
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 01:10 PM (auyrm)

I don't.

You'll note I said "in the future."

Thankfully we'll all be dead by then anyway, so we won't need surgery.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:16 PM (cY3LT)

104 aortic aneurysm without surgery?"

Endoscopic. Ms mouse's kidney and cardiac adventures this past spring left her with scars the size of a little fingernail.

I was seriously amazed. The facility could have been in a sci fi flick...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:16 PM (6qErC)

105 Just over a dozen dear friends and acquaintances are in LE.

The news of every LEO gunned down has my mind reeling as to how I'd deal with such a loss.

Prayers dispatched.

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (Roy2Z)

106 those "functional" heroin addicts to die or at least overdose in ways that cost lots and lots of money. "

A solution presents itself...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (6qErC)

107
What's next? Priests and rabbis and ministers will be given a list of approved questions for their congregants in need?

Why not? Just say the government has a "compelling interest" and - bam! - there goes the seal of the confessional as well as loss of tax exemptions for "anti-LGBT hate speech".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (Wx/+I)

108 I failed the Cosequin screen

Posted by: REDACTED at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (+8+gB)

109 Was recently in for an annual check-up. Questions included *Do you smoke* (never have).

But nothing on vaping? (that neither)
Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2019 01:11 PM (Roy2Z)

If Big Tobacco doesn't figure out how to make money on vaping, they'll kill it dead, one way or another. And the powers that be will climb on board with their efforts to do so.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (cY3LT)

110 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".
Yes. Between wrapping my house in tinfoil, and plugging up my toilets so the subterranean lizard people can't get in, I do feel safe. Why do you ask?
Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (T6t7i)

Then turn your head to the side and say to the Invisible Man, "What? You think she's ONE of the subterranean lizard people? Then what's she doing above ground?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (Ofz3/)

111 Thankfully we'll all be dead by then anyway, so we won't need surgery"

But voting won't be a problem

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:19 PM (6qErC)

112 So after they have destroyed our culture and family structure, they are going to check everybody for drug use? They caused it!

Posted by: PJ at August 25, 2019 01:19 PM (qlTN9)

113 those "functional" heroin addicts to die or at least overdose in ways that cost lots and lots of money. "
---------------------------
A solution presents itself...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (6qErC)

Except it doesn't. Most overdoses aren't fatal. They're just really really expensive.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:19 PM (cY3LT)

114 We'd be better off as a country if we... hmmm, where have I heard this before... sealed off the border more fully.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:14 PM (cY3LT)

And per the poor Illinois State trooper, if we nuked East St. Louis instead of sending in SWAT.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:20 PM (Ofz3/)

115 >>Endoscopic.

Endoscopic Surgery. Yeah. They do that.

But not for something that big. You can't excise and replace a chunk of aorta using a scope. At least, not in any way I know of...soonish? Who knows.

But, it's still surgery.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 01:20 PM (auyrm)

116 Since 2008, opioid ...use disorders have become a national epidemic"

So it's 2001's "summer of the shark" again?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:11 PM (6qErC)

Opioid-using sharks are the worst!

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2019 01:20 PM (SHtRW)

117 I failed the Cosequin screen"

Use Flex Seal. Makes screens waterproof. As seen on TV...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:21 PM (6qErC)

118 Our church food bank has to check state welfare status and is limited to the amount and kind that can be provided. Here in the state of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, and Monroe. We cheat.

Posted by: Aelishdad at August 25, 2019 01:21 PM (o7/ug)

119
You'll note I said "in the future."

Thankfully we'll all be dead by then anyway, so we won't need surgery.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:16 PM (cY3LT)

Yes, we are making great strides with T cell regeneration. I the future we will restructure by stimulating DNA.

The foreseeable future will be 3D printing of body parts.

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 01:21 PM (3XdZI)

120 SMH. Prayers, prayed.

There will be a whole lot of official, and non-official "help and support" for the widow.

Get with the "Towers & Tunnels" charity, that has been the recent beneficiary of over $3 million from Rush Limbaugh's "Stand Up For Besty Ross" tee-shirt sales campaign.

They're paying off mortgages for the spouses of slain officers, just like her.

But what she'll need now, more than ever?

Your friendship, love and patience.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 01:21 PM (QzJWU)

121 Thankfully we'll all be dead by then anyway, so we won't need surgery"
-------------------------------
But voting won't be a problem
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:19 PM (6qErC)

My confessor: My son, when you die, do you not worry about your eternal soul? Do you not worry you will not get into heaven?

Me: No Father, I worry that I'll be voting for Democrats in perpetuity.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:22 PM (cY3LT)

122 Except it doesn't. "

Make it more potent, then...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:22 PM (6qErC)

123 Re: Doctors inquisition...
And spend a billion $ collecting, collating, reporting, etc. And another billion suing somebodies about quote privacy unquote.

Posted by: Burger Chef at August 25, 2019 01:22 PM (RuIsu)

124 legalinsurrection.com/one term rep and radio host joe walsh announces primary challenge to trump

Hope he goes down in flames

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 01:23 PM (BbGew)

125 Yes, but if it save on life it will be worth destroying the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Ripley at August 25, 2019 01:23 PM (MxEKc)

126 legalinsurrection.com/one term rep and radio host joe walsh announces primary challenge to trump

Welp. That's it for The Eagles.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2019 01:24 PM (SHtRW)

127 We'd be better off as a country if we... hmmm, where have I heard this before... sealed off the border more fully.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:14 PM (cY3LT)

And per the poor Illinois State trooper, if we nuked East St. Louis instead of sending in SWAT.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:20 PM (Ofz3/)

His smiling face is blasted all over the news here. Really, I have no idea what he was doing there, and I don't want to know more of the story. They'll find the killer or they won't, but I'm pretty sure the main reason he was killed is because he was white, and he was in East St. Louis.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:24 PM (cY3LT)

128 The foreseeable future will be 3D printing of body parts."

The "regrow" research in dentistry is incredible...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:25 PM (6qErC)

129 Theater was about half full, and when Ellen Burstyn
was talking to the psychiatrist about her possessed daughter, the doc
pauses on-screen to light up a smoke. The whole audience started
laughing, realizing that they'd never again see a doctor character
smoking on-screen.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 01:06 PM (ur8yz)

Reminds me of the doctor's office in Forrest Gump.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 01:25 PM (NMAzL)

130 Except it doesn't. "
---------------------------
Make it more potent, then...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:22 PM (6qErC)

The Chinese are definitely working on that.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:26 PM (cY3LT)

131 Houston has asked five local conservative pastors to turn over sermons about a controversial new city ordinance that bans discrimination against LGBT people. The original subpoenas demanded to see any preaching related to homosexuality and gender identity.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 25, 2019 12:34 PM (aKsyK)

Notice the panel didn't recommend asking about that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:26 PM (Ofz3/)

132 > it'd be next to useless as he or she couldn't prescribe meds, without lighting up the neon-searchlight.

Recommend getting on good terms with your local veterinarian.

I'm totally serious.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:27 PM (cB5if)

133 123
Re: Doctors inquisition...

And spend a billion $ collecting, collating, reporting, etc. And another billion suing somebodies about quote privacy unquote.

Posted by: Burger Chef at August 25, 2019 01:22 PM (RuIsu)

+++
This was my first thought. Another "regulation" and all that this encumbers, already on the mountain of bureaucracy as far as the eye can see. Drives me demented.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:27 PM (9+jnX)

134 Thank you all...

Jim, I will mention that, thank you.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:27 PM (RU4sa)

135
those "functional" heroin addicts to die or at least overdose in ways that cost lots and lots of money. "

A solution presents itself...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:18 PM (6qErC)

That's been going on for ages. Shooting up heroin is an inherently dangerous activity, simply because you have no idea what's in the bindle your dealer sells you. Could be stepped on so badly it's like a New York City sidewalk, or the current trend of using cheap fentanyl to sub for most of the actual heroin, or it's cut with dangerous chemicals.

The most common problem is that you have no idea of the potency level. So the mix that was safe from your dealer for the past 3 months is now fatal, because your dealer just purchased from a different distributor who does a different mix. That's what killed a friend of mine about 15 years ago. Most of us had no idea he was shooting up, until he OD'd on a hot shot that was a lot more potent than he expected.

I'd submit that because of the inherent danger, there's no such thing as a "functional" heroin addict.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 01:28 PM (ur8yz)

136 His smiling face is blasted all over the news here. Really, I have no idea what he was doing there, and I don't want to know more of the story. They'll find the killer or they won't, but I'm pretty sure the main reason he was killed is because he was white, and he was in East St. Louis.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:24 PM (cY3LT)

For those unfamiliar with that urban paradise, it was the site for the filming of "Escape From New York." The producers were going to build a set, but then saw East St. Louis already looked post-apocalyptic, and so filmed there. (Doubtless under heavily armed guard.)

But all cultures, etc. ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:29 PM (Ofz3/)

137 His smiling face is blasted all over the news here. Really, I have no idea what he was doing there, and I don't want to know more of the story. They'll find the killer or they won't, but I'm pretty sure the main reason he was killed is because he was white, and he was in East St. Louis.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:24 PM (cY3LT)

---

He was with SWAT serving a warrant.

And the shooter is in the St. Clair jail on 5 million bond.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:29 PM (RU4sa)

138 The foreseeable future will be 3D printing of body parts."
---------------------------
The "regrow" research in dentistry is incredible...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 01:25 PM (6qErC)

The "trick" with all of this is for the human body to BELIEVE that whatever foreign thing is being done to it, whether it's a new part or regrowth or whatever, doesn't get treated as if it's a foreign thing.

Every bump, bruise, scrape, cut, and break of the body gets registered, and never goes away. It's part of how we die. Every intrusion speeds up the process, and no matter how sophisticated surgery is, and I realize it's necessary today, to save lives, it will ALWAYS be registered by the body as an intrusion.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)

139 Prayers for your friend, SMH.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (NMAzL)

140 Did anyone upthread mention testing welfare recipients for drugs with a clean test as a requirement for receiving welfare?

I bet 99.99999% of the "opioid crisis" would disappear overnight were that to happen.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (SHtRW)

141 Tell me you had a drug problem in your youth,
break your ankle and I'll prescribe Tylenol for your pain.

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (3XdZI)

142 > Most of us had no idea he was shooting up, until he OD'd on a hot shot that was a lot more potent than he expected.

That wouldn't have happened if he'd been getting it legally from a pharmacy.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:31 PM (cB5if)

143 139 Prayers for your friend, SMH.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (NMAzL)

---

Thanks Miley.

How are you doing with the shingles?

Prayers up for a speedy recover.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:32 PM (RU4sa)

144 For those unfamiliar with that urban paradise, it was the site for the filming of "Escape From New York." The producers were going to build a set, but then saw East St. Louis already looked post-apocalyptic, and so filmed there. (Doubtless under heavily armed guard.)

---

Wow.

Not surprising in the least, though.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:33 PM (RU4sa)

145
Recommend getting on good terms with your local veterinarian.

I'm totally serious.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:27 PM (cB5if)

Preppers have been buying "fish antibiotics" from aquarium supply houses. It's actually the same antibiotics that are used for humans, but in non-FDA approved forms. No prescriptions necessary.

No opoids, of course.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 01:33 PM (ur8yz)

146 > Me: No Father, I worry that I'll be voting for Democrats in perpetuity.

Some years ago they had to move a cemetery to make room for an expansion of O'Hare.

The Chicagoland joke was that there was a big argument over who was going to get those votes from now on.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:33 PM (cB5if)

147

Surgery will be eliminated by the use of nanobots and transporter technology eliminating the need to open the patient up. The technology will be given to us by our Lizardoid Masters, who wishes to be healthy as possible for use as janissaries and food stock.

Posted by: Cabeza Fromage at August 25, 2019 01:34 PM (bVc53)

148 >>>it's necessary today, to save lives, it will ALWAYS be registered by the body as an intrusion.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)

A.J. Foyt is so full of titanium his body is rejecting him. He must always take antibiotics to thwart infection.

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 01:34 PM (3XdZI)

149 That's been going on for ages. Shooting up heroin is an inherently dangerous activity, simply because you have no idea what's in the bindle your dealer sells you. Could be stepped on so badly it's like a New York City sidewalk, or the current trend of using cheap fentanyl to sub for most of the actual heroin, or it's cut with dangerous chemicals.

The most common problem is that you have no idea of the potency level. So the mix that was safe from your dealer for the past 3 months is now fatal, because your dealer just purchased from a different distributor who does a different mix. That's what killed a friend of mine about 15 years ago. Most of us had no idea he was shooting up, until he OD'd on a hot shot that was a lot more potent than he expected.

I'd submit that because of the inherent danger, there's no such thing as a "functional" heroin addict.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 01:28 PM (ur8yz)

Heroin is very hard to find these days. Really.

Fentanyl is so cheap, most addicts know that's what they're getting, and most of them know the risk they're taking. Some of them like it that way.

The Chinese are upping the ante these days, with more and more potent mixes. Most of your common street dealers don't WANT to kill their customers, but they also don't quite mind it when the customers OD, because they know the one person who overdoses is an advertisement to other customers, who want to know where "the good stuff" was purchased.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:35 PM (cY3LT)

150
That wouldn't have happened if he'd been getting it legally from a pharmacy.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:31 PM (cB5if)

+++
This is fantasy. Do you think that the drug smugglers are going to give up the market because the govt. provides "safe" heroin? There is not even a "blip" of improvement with the legal "weed" that has become the norm. They will only offer it cheaper if there is any competition from the govt.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:35 PM (9+jnX)

151 ...Every bump, bruise, scrape, cut, and break of the body gets registered, and never goes away. It's part of how we die. Every intrusion speeds up the process, and no matter how sophisticated surgery is, and I realize it's necessary today, to save lives, it will ALWAYS be registered by the body as an intrusion.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)

By this measure, I should've been dead in my twenties, and Evil Knevel ought to have died at conception.

Been bent, folded, stapled and mutilated, multiple times over.

Say what you wish, but it's not been a boring life thus far.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 01:35 PM (QzJWU)

152 Did anyone upthread mention testing welfare recipients for drugs with a clean test as a requirement for receiving welfare?

I bet 99.99999% of the "opioid crisis" would disappear overnight were that to happen.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (SHtRW)

Now do Congress. They have to have a clean drug test before they're allowed to vote.

That would at least preclude any Kennedys, and formerly Betoff O'Rourke, from voting, and that's a result much to be desired.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:35 PM (Ofz3/)

153 Prayers would be much appreciated for her, her children (1 y.o. daughter, 4 y.o. twin boys), and the rest of the family.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:04 PM (RU4sa)
*******
UGH! Thoughts & Prayers

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 01:37 PM (BqBId)

154 > This is fantasy. Do you think that the drug smugglers are going to give up the market because the govt. provides "safe" heroin?

Well, it's been quite a while since an Al Capone type shot up a speakeasy, hasn't it?

They wouldn't have a choice about "giving up the market" if the pharmacy was selling it at the legal price.

Why do you think a junkie would to pay $100 for $5.00 worth of heroin?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (cB5if)

155 Now do Congress. They have to have a clean drug test before they're allowed to vote.

That would at least preclude any Kennedys, and formerly Betoff O'Rourke, from voting, and that's a result much to be desired.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:35 PM (Ofz3/)

Oh, absolutely.

I'm surprised it's already not a requirement.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (SHtRW)

156 This is fantasy. Do you think that the drug smugglers are going to give up the market because the govt. provides "safe" heroin? There is not even a "blip" of improvement with the legal "weed" that has become the norm. They will only offer it cheaper if there is any competition from the govt.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:35 PM (9+jnX)

This.

Moreover, addicts won't be prescribed progressively higher doses as they develop tolerance, another reason to turn to the black market.

Last, even more people will become users, and I doubt that many users remain functional for long.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (Ofz3/)

157 > Moreover, addicts won't be prescribed progressively higher doses as they develop tolerance, another reason to turn to the black market.

Who said anything about "prescribed"?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (cB5if)

158 If you've had your aortic valve replaced twice (birth defect) and need a pacer to survive, you kinda like surgeons.

Posted by: Madtom at August 25, 2019 01:39 PM (go+84)

159 Oh, absolutely.

I'm surprised it's already not a requirement.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (SHtRW)

"In breaking news, the House of Representatives has just passed legislation for a border wall, by a vote of 4 to 1."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:39 PM (Ofz3/)

160 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".

Seriously, if someone is out to get you personally, home is the least safe place you can be.

If you mean "it is generally safe to use the bathroom without someone busting in on you?"
No, I am married.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2019 01:40 PM (1g7ch)

161 Did anyone upthread mention testing welfare recipients for drugs with a clean test as a requirement for receiving welfare?
-------------------------
I bet 99.99999% of the "opioid crisis" would disappear overnight were that to happen.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2019 01:30 PM (SHtRW)

Nah. If by "welfare" you mean SSI, then it would certainly cut into a chunk of it, but not as much as one might think.

Welfare ain't what it used to be.

You know who else funds a significant amount of the drug market? Veterans who get VA pensions.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:40 PM (cY3LT)

162 158 If you've had your aortic valve replaced twice (birth defect) and need a pacer to survive, you kinda like surgeons.

Posted by: Madtom at August 25, 2019 01:39 PM (go+84)

The healthier the bitchier.
When they go into rapid deterioration they will change their tune.

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 01:41 PM (3XdZI)

163 Speaking of BS, if you want to see the glaciers in Montana you'd better hurry. They're going to be gone in 4 months.

Watching Smithsonian Channel's Aerial America on Montana. Narrator said "some scientists say" the glaciers will be gone by 2020. All the animals and fish will die. Trees will die. We're all going to die, !!!1!!1!!1. Episode was filmed in 2013.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 25, 2019 01:41 PM (qJeBn)

164 >> If you've had your aortic valve replaced twice (birth defect) and need a pacer to survive, you kinda like surgeons.

Indeed.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 01:41 PM (auyrm)

165 If by "welfare" you mean SSI, then it would certainly cut into a chunk of it, but not as much as one might think.

I doubt that many geriatrics are hard drug users. I believe the reference to welfare was EBT and SNAP recipients, and I think drug testing probably would cut into that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:41 PM (Ofz3/)

166 Watching Smithsonian Channel's Aerial America on Montana. Narrator said "some scientists say" the glaciers will be gone by 2020. All the animals and fish will die. Trees will die. We're all going to die, !!!1!!1!!1.

Can we save everything and everybody if we vote Democrat in November 2020?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:43 PM (Ofz3/)

167 First, every time you get a hangnail they say 'here, take this drug'. Then they biotch at you about drug use. Can't win.

Posted by: Madtom at August 25, 2019 01:44 PM (go+84)

168 Deplorable Jay - Exactly that crap is why I gave up Nat Geo mags had since I was a teenager

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 01:44 PM (BbGew)

169 Well, it's been quite a while since an Al Capone type shot up a speakeasy, hasn't it?

They wouldn't have a choice about "giving up the market" if the pharmacy was selling it at the legal price.

Why do you think a junkie would to pay $100 for $5.00 worth of heroin?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (cB5if)

++++Junkies are not responsible people. The complete failure of the needle exchange program is a good example. They just toss the used ones out on the sidewalks. These people are perfectly fine with living out on the streets, in filth and heaps of garbage. They will get their fix where ever they can.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:45 PM (9+jnX)

170 "I have a husband and a dog who will protect me to the death. Sure I feel safe!

And the cat might throw in a scratch or two."

Posted by: Empire1 at August 25, 2019 01:45 PM (vmbFJ)

171
Doctors already ask those questions flat-out.

"What medications are you currently using?"

If you go into the ER with an injury, they also ask you about your mood, your domestic situation, how you got to the ER, etc.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 25, 2019 01:47 PM (13CQC)

172 SSDI Social Security Disability Insurance is a problem. it is harder to get approved now, but a bunch of people are on it, that really don't need it

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 01:48 PM (BqBId)

173 Why do you think a junkie would to pay $100 for $5.00 worth of heroin?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (cB5if)

Opiate purchases on the street are probably a lot cheaper than you think.

It's likely true that the average user isn't going to go into a pharmacy to purchase it, because there are too many questions asked inside a pharmacy, that don't get asked on the street, such as where one got the funds to pay for it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:49 PM (cY3LT)

174 They wouldn't have a choice about "giving up the market" if the pharmacy was selling it at the legal price.�

Why do you think a junkie would to pay $100 for $5.00 worth of heroin?�

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2019 01:38 PM (cB5if)

They smuggle cigarettes, CDs, shoes, and prescription drugs.

All legal.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 25, 2019 01:50 PM (ltuaO)

175 Watching Smithsonian Channel's Aerial America on Montana. Narrator said "some scientists say" the glaciers will be gone by 2020. All the animals and fish will die. Trees will die. We're all going to die, !!!1!!1!!1.

Animals and fish are pushovers. I won't be convinced it's a catastrophe until they can assure me that the cockroaches will die. Now those suckers are tough.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2019 01:50 PM (amw5z)

176 If by "welfare" you mean SSI, then it would certainly cut into a chunk of it, but not as much as one might think.
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I doubt that many geriatrics are hard drug users. I believe the reference to welfare was EBT and SNAP recipients, and I think drug testing probably would cut into that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:41 PM (Ofz3/)

SSI is NOT retirement benefits.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:50 PM (cY3LT)

177 167 First, every time you get a hangnail they say 'here, take this drug'. Then they biotch at you about drug use. Can't win.
Posted by: Madtom at August 25, 2019 01:44 PM (go+84)

I suspect they do that because most people with an ailment want/demand a prescription.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:51 PM (Ofz3/)

178 SSDI Social Security Disability Insurance is a problem. it is harder to get approved now, but a bunch of people are on it, that really don't need it
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 01:48 PM (BqBId)

And not to be too technical about it, but SSDI and SSI are NOT the same thing. SSI is easier to get than SSDI.

To oversimply, SSI is temporary disability, SSDI is permanent.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:52 PM (cY3LT)

179 SSI is NOT retirement benefits.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:50 PM (cY3LT)

Ah, OK. I thought that that was what you meant.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:52 PM (Ofz3/)

180 You know who else funds a significant amount of the drug market? Veterans who get VA pensions.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:40 PM (cY3LT)

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really?

you got any facts to go with that calumny?

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 01:52 PM (gi85U)

181 You know who else funds a significant amount of the drug market? Veterans who get VA pensions.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:40 PM (cY3LT)

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really?

you got any facts to go with that calumny?

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 01:52 PM (gi85U)

Yes.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:53 PM (cY3LT)

182 If you go into the ER with an injury, they also ask you about your mood, your domestic situation, how you got to the ER, etc.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 25, 2019 01:47 PM (13CQC)

Recently my GP, trying to rule out a cardiac problem, asked me if I had a feeling of impending doom.

"Only when I read the news."

He cracked up and we both laughed for a while.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:55 PM (Ofz3/)

183 "the data, just like most of your medical file, will be lost in the insanity that is electronic record keeping."

Until you do something that motivates someone to use Big Data tools to find it. Like run as a Republican, say.

I'm also amused at all of you morons saying you won't answer. Because part of the "new patient paperwork" you filled out was a document saying the doctor only has to treat you as long as you're "compliant" with their requests. Don't want to answer? Find out what the care is like in the ER or the free clinic.

Oh, and "but the government can't ask that, because HIPAA, or 4th Amendment, or...." Ha Ha, you funny.

It isn't the government asking. It's the "private" medical practice at the requirement of the "private" insurance company. Just as "muh private business" lets Facebook and Twitter and Amazon's Ring cameras gather all kinds of info and provide it to law enforcement, "muh private business" allows them to collect that data from you and refuse to do business with you if you object.

That's fascism, folks: "private business" veneer over socialism.

Posted by: SDN at August 25, 2019 01:55 PM (X0ZXf)

184 Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:52 PM (cY3LT)
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I know I am on SSDI , for A Large Central Disc Bulge @ L5-S1, Sciatica, SI Joint Dysfunction, & getting a CAT scan to find out about my Jaws/Face issues they found that I have Bone spurs in C1-C3

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 01:55 PM (BqBId)

185 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:55 PM (Ofz3/)

++++
LOL!

Posted by: washrivergal at August 25, 2019 01:56 PM (9+jnX)

186
told the interviewer that I'm an American. What else do you need to know!
Such stupidity. If you cut me open I bleed red blood, my subcutaneous flesh and my bones are the same color as other races, creeds, etc. I'm human. It's not nor should it be a census questionnaire.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine

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Depending on your ethnicity, you could be at a higher risk for Tay-Sachs disease or Sickle Cell Anemia. Just off the top of my head.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 25, 2019 01:56 PM (13CQC)

187 Thanks Miley.

How are you doing with the shingles?

Prayers up for a speedy recover.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:32 PM (RU4sa)

Thank SMH - I wonder if this is what mange feels like. In Sweden I saw foxes with mange, and they looked fucking miserable.
It's better than it was - on Friday, the stabby pains were beginning, and I'm grateful that Publius insisted on taking me to a doctor then. I've been on the antiviral for 48 hours now, and it's not as bad as it would have been otherwise. But yeah, uncomfortable.
I only got a small outbreak on my ribcage, and that's something to be grateful for, I guess. But the entire T7 dermatome is driving me crazy.
I remember having chickenpox in first grade (or was it second grade?) Anyway, I got a housecall from the doctor across the street. That probably puts me in a small group of people living today who've actually had a housecall from a doctor with his black bag.
IIRC, I have exactly one scar from that, at the base of my spine. Mom warned me not to scratch, but I did scratch that one.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 01:56 PM (NMAzL)

188 168 Deplorable Jay - Exactly that crap is why I gave up Nat Geo mags had since I was a teenager
Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 01:44 PM (BbGew)

Same thing with Scientific American, which was bought by Brits and now is neither scientific (true for a long), nor now American.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 25, 2019 01:57 PM (Ofz3/)

189 http://bit.ly/2L5sshD
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Report: Gwyneth Paltrow, George Stephanopoulos Attended Jeffrey Epstein's Star-Studded Party

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 01:57 PM (BqBId)

190 What's a VA pension?

You mean service-connected disability compensation?

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:58 PM (RU4sa)

191 Preppers have been buying "fish antibiotics" from
aquarium supply houses. It's actually the same antibiotics that are used
for humans, but in non-FDA approved forms. No prescriptions necessary.

No opoids, of course.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 01:33 PM (ur8yz)

I wonder what behaviors fish on opioids would exhibit.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 01:58 PM (NMAzL)

192 Yes.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:53 PM (cY3LT)

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ante up or FOAD.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 01:58 PM (gi85U)

193 Watching Smithsonian Channel's Aerial America on Montana. Narrator said "some scientists say" the glaciers will be gone by 2020. All the animals and fish will die. Trees will die. We're all going to die, !!!1!!1!!1. Episode was filmed in 2013.
Posted by: olddog in mo at August 25, 2019 01:41 PM (qJeBn)

There was an amusing story about that out a couple months ago. Not long after that prediction, the National Park Service had put out signs in the park telling visitors "These glaciers will be gone by 2020!!!" (nah, no propaganda there!) Sharp eyed visitors to the park noted in early summer this year that the Park Service began quietly taking all of those signs down and trashing them, without saying anything about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2019 01:59 PM (k1TUh)

194 I wonder what behaviors fish on opioids would exhibit.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess

You mean the Stonefish?

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 01:59 PM (T6t7i)

195 Greetings:

Especially tha push to make firearm ownership a "health" issue, inquiring about not just your ownership but also your inventory.

I gave a VA nurse practitioner my verbal apparatchik of the month award when she went there.

And who knows where else the solicited info goes.

Posted by: 11B40 at August 25, 2019 01:59 PM (evgyj)

196 Yes.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:53 PM (cY3LT)

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ante up or FOAD.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 01:58 PM (gi85U)

No.

Do your own research. Or sit there in ignorance.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 02:01 PM (cY3LT)

197 The Chinese are upping the ante these days, with
more and more potent mixes. Most of your common street dealers don't
WANT to kill their customers, but they also don't quite mind it when the
customers OD, because they know the one person who overdoses is an
advertisement to other customers, who want to know where "the good
stuff" was purchased.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 01:35 PM (cY3LT)

I suspect that's what triggered Trump's latest declaration. Some coyness on the part of China about fentanyl.
And I wish the newscasters would stop pronouncing it "fentanol." At least know the name of the substance killing Americans. Those clever Chinese don't even have to invade - they can kill us remotely.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 02:01 PM (NMAzL)

198 Sorry Chuck C and Blonde Morticia this has nothing to do with treatment. Like my visit others would be sent by a prescribing doctor, that doctor would know about the issues you mentioned. You just don't show up for an ultrasound, MRI, etc. This is the government and probably obamacare in action.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 25, 2019 02:01 PM (N3JsI)

199 191 Preppers have been buying "fish antibiotics" from
aquarium supply houses. It's actually the same antibiotics that are used for humans, but in non-FDA approved forms. No prescriptions necessary. "

Some of the reviews of those are quite amusing. "I gave my Fish a 250 mg tablet 4 times a day for 6 days, and his fever and coughing cleared up completely!!!"

not that I would buy that, no, I prefer to kill a half a day sitting in a doctor's office and paying his fees when I know all I want is a piece of paper giving me a prescription.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2019 02:01 PM (k1TUh)

200 What's a VA pension?

You mean service-connected disability compensation?
Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 01:58 PM (RU4sa)

Yes, or non-service connected pension. Comp and pen. That's what they call it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 02:02 PM (cY3LT)

201
g'early afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe & Emporium is 21SEP19
in Chelsea, MI
details soon
at August 25, 2019 02:04 PM (ZFxK4)

202 SMH. Mom isn't a veteran but my dad and step-dad were. Mom receives a VA pension, tax free that can only be used for certain things. We use her pension to partially pay for her rent at assisted living.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 25, 2019 02:04 PM (N3JsI)

203 I receive 100% service-connected disability compensation, so I have some idea what it is called.

As far as us supporting the drug trade, I'd like to see some data on that.

And since you made the claim, BurtTC, you should at least post a link to back it up.

Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 02:05 PM (RU4sa)

204 I wonder if this is what mange feels like. In Sweden I saw foxes with mange, and they looked fucking miserable.
It's
better than it was - on Friday, the stabby pains were beginning, and
I'm grateful that Publius insisted on taking me to a doctor then. I've
been on the antiviral for 48 hours now, and it's not as bad as it would
have been otherwise. But yeah, uncomfortable.
I only got a small
outbreak on my ribcage, and that's something to be grateful for, I
guess. But the entire T7 dermatome is driving me crazy.
I remember
having chickenpox in first grade (or was it second grade?) Anyway, I got
a housecall from the doctor across the street. That probably puts me in
a small group of people living today who've actually had a housecall
from a doctor with his black bag.
IIRC, I have exactly one scar from that, at the base of my spine. Mom warned me not to scratch, but I did scratch that one.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 01:56 PM (NMAzL)

---
Resident 3vil had shingles last summer

Tx was wipe down affected area 2-3x/day with Valu-Rite (seriously) and apply meat tenderizer 1x day, with bandage to hold it in place.

isopropyl dried the inflammation and stung, but the ethanol didn't.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 02:05 PM (gi85U)

205 I'm also amused at all of you morons saying you won't answer. Because part of the "new patient paperwork" you filled out was a document saying the doctor only has to treat you as long as you're "compliant" with their requests. Don't want to answer? Find out what the care is like in the ER or the free clinic."

You ALWAYS answer, no advantage in getting all militant and calling attention to yourself, that's dumb. You even know what answers they want, they want you to give them happy happy joy joy talk, so work out your script in advance and give it to them.

now we're going to learn why Rule #1 in all 3rd world countries is, whenever someone official asks you a question, Lie!!! Every time!

That's related to Orwell's observation that In a Time of Universal Lies, TruthTelling is a Revolutionary Act. Don't forget; all governments do everything they can to punish revolutionaries.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2019 02:08 PM (k1TUh)

206 No.

Do your own research. Or sit there in ignorance.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 02:01 PM (cY3LT)

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you're the ignorant one.

LOLGF

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 02:08 PM (gi85U)

207 The "Adults in the Room" article in the sidebar: Wonder if she signed a non-disclosure agreement?

Posted by: m at August 25, 2019 02:08 PM (FRM7n)

208
Now do Congress. They have to have a clean drug test before they're allowed to vote.

That would at least preclude any Kennedys, and formerly Betoff O'Rourke, from voting, and that's a result much to be desired.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

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It might also reveal a few anti-Alzheimers treatments.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 25, 2019 02:10 PM (13CQC)

209 All of my doctors, and I have a bunch of them, have a sense of humor - or they aren't my doctor. If I get one whiff of bullshit from any of them, and they're done. I also fill out their forms with goofy answers, claiming to be an Arabic speaking Eskimo, and that sort of thing. And I'm pretty sure they all know I'm a shooter. One of my cardiologists always makes it a point to ask about it.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 02:12 PM (MVjcR)

210 Preppers have been buying "fish antibiotics" from
aquarium supply houses. It's actually the same antibiotics that are used
for humans, but in non-FDA approved forms. No prescriptions necessary.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2019 01:33 PM

Like from "Super Happy Thriving Fish"?

https://shtfsource.com/

Posted by: Bert G at August 25, 2019 02:13 PM (OMsf+)

211 Any pics of Boris taking a swim?

Posted by: Dr. Doctor Esq at August 25, 2019 02:14 PM (3XdZI)

212 The new rules for parents: NEVER leave your child alone with the Doctor. The Doc will ask questions you do not want your child to answer.

Yes, we have firearms in the house. How is that the doc's business?

Yes, we have spanked our son on occasion. How is that the doc's business?

My response to most of these questions is that it is none of their business. If that means we see another doctor, so be it.

Posted by: tcn in AK at August 25, 2019 02:14 PM (vVOK2)

213 I receive 100% service-connected disability compensation, so I have some idea what it is called.

As far as us supporting the drug trade, I'd like to see some data on that.

And since you made the claim, BurtTC, you should at least post a link to back it up.
Posted by: SMH at August 25, 2019 02:05 PM (RU4sa)

You're taking this personally, and maybe you should.

There is a high correlation between Veterans with PTSD and use of illicit substances, including marijuana, meth, and non-prescribed substances like Xanax. There's also a significant number on opiates.

If you look at your average VA facility, look at how much money is being spent on mental healthcare, versus physical healthcare. It's a huge number. And then look at what constitutes mental healthcare.

A high percentage of that is drug treatment.

Then you can get into the questions as to whether the legally prescribed stuff is any better than the illicit stuff, and the truth is, most guys who are given anti-psychotics to help with sleep problems will tell you, if they're being honest about it, meth works better than seroquel.

And weed has become the all-purpose fix for everything.

I don't know where to tell you to go to get the data. It's out there, and frankly, I don't get into the argument stuff around this, because people who want the truth will go find the truth, people who just want to argue on the internet will tell you if you don't feed them a link, then it must not be true.

I'm not trying to convince anybody.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 02:15 PM (cY3LT)

214
Sorry Chuck C and Blonde Morticia this has nothing to do with treatment. Like my visit others would be sent by a prescribing doctor, that doctor would know about the issues you mentioned. You just don't show up for an ultrasound, MRI, etc. This is the government and probably obamacare in action.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine

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It's called redundant backups, in case someone along the way drops the ball or gets something wrong.

I went in for a minor procedure not too long ago and everyone from the janitor to the surgeon himself asked me ten times which side we were operating on.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 25, 2019 02:16 PM (13CQC)

215
nood

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe & Emporium is 21SEP19
in Chelsea, MI
details soon
at August 25, 2019 02:17 PM (ZFxK4)

216 No.

Do your own research. Or sit there in ignorance.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 02:01 PM (cY3LT)

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you're the ignorant one.

LOLGF
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 02:08 PM (gi85U)

You're being overly emotional about this. Which I understand.

But no, I'm not going to do your research for you. I will stand by my statement, that a LARGE amount of money that is paid to Veterans, in the form of service and non-service connected disability, gets funneled into the illicit drug trade.

Believe it or not. I really don't care what you do.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 02:17 PM (cY3LT)

217 >>Recently my GP, trying to rule out a cardiac problem, asked me if I had a feeling of impending doom.

Monty's Back!?

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2019 02:18 PM (auyrm)

218 As far as I know asking new patients about drug use has been taught to medical students learning how to do a physical exam for decades now. As far as I thought I knew, that was standard operating practice. In the past decade or two, asking about seat belt use and gun possession has also been incorporated in the physical exam teaching.

Now if doctors are being instructed to test for drugs on the sly under the guise of running routine tests, then that would be worrisome (and unethical).

Posted by: saldog at August 25, 2019 02:18 PM (gJAok)

219
Yeah, these questions for kids and these questions about whether you feel safe in the home seem dopey to those of us who know better and live better, but I'm truly, legit curious, have they gotten anyone out of trouble? Another legit question, has anyone in real trouble provided the red flag answers and then been ignored?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 25, 2019 02:21 PM (13CQC)

220 43 Then she said, "do you feel safe at home?".

Yes. Between wrapping my house in tinfoil, and plugging up my toilets so the subterranean lizard people can't get in, I do feel safe. Why do you ask?
Posted by: pep at August 25, 2019 12:40 PM (T6t7i)

You would make the nurse's day if you said that.

Posted by: m at August 25, 2019 02:21 PM (FRM7n)

221 Resident 3vil had shingles last summer

Tx was
wipe down affected area 2-3x/day with Valu-Rite (seriously) and apply
meat tenderizer 1x day, with bandage to hold it in place.

isopropyl dried the inflammation and stung, but the ethanol didn't.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 02:05 PM (gi85U)

I've got a scrip for capsaicin ointment, but it won't be ready until tomorrow afternoon. That's supposed to dry up the outbreak (which is already clearing up - it's the nerve symptoms and upset stomach that are driving me crazy).

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 25, 2019 02:23 PM (NMAzL)

222 just like most of the blather coming out of officialdom these days will be absorbed into the vast electronic wasteland that is modern medicine.
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I'm pretty sure that I mentioned here that the VA 'changed' my name. I am now Mike Williams. Now, a normal person would think, "Gosh, I better get that corrected."

Having dealt with various agencies of The Leviathan, I know better. There is not the remotest chance that I can get in touch (with anyone actually) a person who, at a touch of the keyboard, can straighten my name out, and have the correction rattle through the complexities of the tentacled system. Nope, no way.

There is the Systemantic admonition, 'If you push on The System, The System pushes back'. That's a simple truth. It isn't that The System is malicious, or insidious, or malevolent, it's that the system is at once moribund, while simultaneously self-healing.

As layers of people, subsystems and supersystems are added, the inefficiency grows exponentially.

As for me, I'm just going to let 'Mike Williams' ride as far as he can. I'm growing accustomed to being addressed as 'Mr. Williams', it doesn't even give me pause anymore.

Those who arguing for 'Single Payer healthcare', have no freaking idea what they are letting themselves (and the rest of us) in for.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 02:26 PM (xSo9G)

223 Recently my GP, trying to rule out a cardiac problem, asked me if I had a feeling of impending doom.

A feeling of impending doom is a commonly reported heart attack symptom. If you experience that, and are not reading Sefton's Morning Report or something similar, you should be concerned.

Posted by: cool breeze at August 25, 2019 02:29 PM (UGKMd)

224 http://bit.ly/2MB4M7W
*******
WTH? CNN Guest Claims Trump 'May be Responsible for Many More Million Deaths' Than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao (WATCH)

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 25, 2019 02:43 PM (BqBId)

225 Can't we chip in and buy CNN? And fire everybody?
Or at least buy some shares and yell at them during shareholder meetings?

Posted by: vivi at August 25, 2019 02:47 PM (11H2y)

226 I swear it was the poppyseed dressing doc!

Posted by: G marks the spot at August 25, 2019 02:55 PM (mrrpb)

227 the government should be you confessor, just like the STASI was. the new world order

Posted by: obama's wet dream at August 25, 2019 02:56 PM (0hOKG)

228 My body, my choice.

Posted by: Budman at August 25, 2019 03:00 PM (gemAa)

229 There is a high correlation between Veterans with PTSD and use of illicit substances, including marijuana, meth, and non-prescribed substances like Xanax. There's also a significant number on opiates.

If you look at your average VA facility, look at how much money is being spent on mental healthcare, versus physical healthcare. It's a huge number. And then look at what constitutes mental healthcare.

A high percentage of that is drug treatment.

Then you can get into the questions as to whether the legally prescribed stuff is any better than the illicit stuff, and the truth is, most guys who are given anti-psychotics to help with sleep problems will tell you, if they're being honest about it, meth works better than seroquel.

And weed has become the all-purpose fix for everything.

I don't know where to tell you to go to get the data. It's out there, and frankly, I don't get into the argument stuff around this, because people who want the truth will go find the truth, people who just want to argue on the internet will tell you if you don't feed them a link, then it must not be true.

I'm not trying to convince anybody.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2019 02:15 PM (cY3LT)

Just in case there's somebody who knows nothing about meds and is trying to self-medicate.
1. Anti-psychotics are not used for insomnia.
2. Anti-psychotics are not used for PTSD.
3. Xanax is not available without prescription.
4. Methamphetamine isn't going to help you sleep.

And this poster's previous comments about surgery are as well-sourced as this one.

Posted by: didImessupagain at August 25, 2019 03:29 PM (Vhkmw)

230
Feelings of impending doom are bogus ? You mean Bugs Bunny was wrong? We aren't all going to die?

Posted by: itsacookbook at August 25, 2019 03:33 PM (yPxXc)

231 A young woman at my church has just lost her husband, an Illinois State Trooper, in a shootout.

https://tinyurl.com/yy8d69p7

She was at church today, after losing her husband on Friday.

Prayers would be much appreciated for her, her children (1 y.o. daughter, 4 y.o. twin boys), and the rest of the family.
Posted by: SMH

Okay

Posted by: JT at August 25, 2019 03:43 PM (arJlL)

232 Heaven forbid. image the government wanting to know if people are using illegal drugs! Now how could that impact society or in any way cause the betterment of society? The horror, the horror.

Its not as if there aren't drug tests every where today, or we see random acts of horror committed by drug addicts on a daily basis. Our cities aren;t littered with dsyringes and drug dealers or the debris of the drug culture. We don't see drugs celebrated by the morale degenerates of Hollywerid everywhere. So why the surprise.

I mean its my body and why shouldn't I be allowed to shoot up and be allowed to drive, destroy my family, rob to support my habit, support the growing cartels. I mean its my choice!

FREEDOM!

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at August 25, 2019 04:13 PM (nRj4F)

233 Prayers would be much appreciated for her, her children (1 y.o. daughter, 4 y.o. twin boys), and the rest of the family.
Posted by: SMH
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SMH - I had a friend, a SC State trooper. He was just making what he thought was a routine traffic stop. He left a wife and two daughters.
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My prayers are with the lady

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 04:25 PM (CDGwz)

234 Don't tease the shark!

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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 25, 2019 04:47 PM (+y/Ru)

235 Agree wholeheartedly with #72. Before a doctor administers any drug, as for example naloxone or any MAOI inhibitor, it is vital to know what OTHER drugs the patient has in his/her system. Traces of illicit drug use, or inappropriate prescription drug use, may completely determine the proper course of therapy. Also, 'Have you eaten any cheese in the last 24 hours?'

Posted by: Kip Crosby at August 25, 2019 05:56 PM (cl8fb)

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