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Moving The Overton Window In The Other Direction: Mandating Firearms Ownership
It's a cute but ultimately dumb idea, mostly because mandating anything is anathema to a free society. The article is actually well reasoned (aside from a factual error), and while it will never happen it is worth thinking about.
Must Pack Heat: The Case for Mandating Gun OwnershipObamacare is the perfect model for Republicans to follow to settle the gun issue once and for all. Using the same legal reasoning as the Affordable Care Act, pro-gun legislators can win this war by pushing for an individual gun ownership mandate. Such a mandate can be from the top-down, a Federal mandate. Or, like Romneycare, it can be instituted on the state level first—West Virginia, here’s looking at you. We’ve seen this happen recently with this very issue. At first, concealed carry laws were only allowed in certain states. Now, all fifty states allow for such licenses. A gun-ownership mandate could play out the same way.See the error? Concealed carry is technically legal, but in reality impossible in New Jersey. And there are a few other states that make it extraordinarily difficult. This may seem to be a trivial quibble, but a lot of people in America live in places that have thoroughly demonized guns. But just the conversation shifts the Overton Window just a bit, and I am all for that, especially in an era of rabid hoplophobia, and when the authoritarian Left is gleefully attacking our basic freedoms.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:16 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:17 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:19 PM (V7fbc)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:20 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 23, 2019 12:20 PM (ITxGy)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 23, 2019 12:22 PM (ITxGy)
Posted by: MarcusZ1967 at June 23, 2019 12:24 PM (yTkJ0)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:24 PM (r/xAU)
Subsidies always distort markets.
On the other hand (tm), the 'splodey heads of the Left being forced to buy a firearms may just be worth it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:25 PM (DrqHq)
Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)
Or maybe you could have some sort of product that allows you to change the gun's color like how you can change watch straps. Some sort of cover that doesn't impede the gun's functionality.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (ZEsGh)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:27 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:27 PM (r/xAU)
At the very least, you could change the handle color.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 12:28 PM (ZEsGh)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:29 PM (r/xAU)
Seven members and supporters of the Marine Jarheads Motorcycle Club have been killed in a horrific crash in New Hampshire involving a pickup truck. According to The New York Post, most of the victims were former Marines.
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There little information other than there were multiple head-on collisions and fires.
https://bit.ly/2N8AURl
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:29 PM (r/xAU)
"The home invasion was thwarted when the homeowner pointed her fuchsia-colored shotgun at the intruder..."
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 12:32 PM (ZEsGh)
Roy Rogers and the Rifleman gave me some gun training around grade school time, but we can improve on that.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 12:32 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2019 12:34 PM (D3cJf)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)
Early OT but firearm related. Tragedy in New Hampshire.
Seven members and supporters of the Marine Jarheads Motorcycle Club
have been killed in a horrific crash in New Hampshire involving a pickup
truck. According to The New York Post, most of the victims were former
Marines.
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There little information other than there were multiple head-on collisions and fires.
https://bit.ly/2N8AURl
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
This was about 2hrs north of Concord, NH. Prayers for those who were killed, for those injured, their families. Also keep the first responders and witnesses in your prayers - stories I'm hearing is it was a horrific scene.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2019 12:36 PM (D3cJf)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 23, 2019 12:36 PM (SgjGX)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)
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It's a dessert topping.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed/I]
Hence the 'incorporation' debate.
I fall on the incorporated side. Can a state abrogate the 1st Amendment? The 3rd?
Not really, right? So I don't see how a state can molest the 2nd further than the Federal government does.
Either the BoR means something vis a vis all citizens, or it's null and void.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (DrqHq)
collective right, it was the responsibility of the government to immediately supply those arms to every citizen.
Posted by: Downcast at June 23, 2019 12:38 PM (p6Q7Q)
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at June 23, 2019 12:39 PM (xmKbk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 12:41 PM (85Gof)
All conservatives should move out of NJ as soon as they are able. I had a friend at work who moved to NJ to work at a plant there. He left after a month and came back.
Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 12:42 PM (mpXpK)
And of course the mandatory training sessions every month or so.
What?
You do not like the terms of the Militia Act of 1795?
Which the Founders considered perfectly Constitutional.
In a period of concern of attack. (Though of course then it was quasi-sovereign Indians and not totally foreign terrorists.)
Or is ONLY the mandatory ownership okay?
With, I guess, mandatory carry. (With exceptions for conscience "of course".)
Otherwise, got the full Militia Act, organize that unorganized militia again, and have that training and command structure going.
Of course that also means accepting the government mandating such service. And likely some corvee-style alternative for the objectors.
But as a bonus, going by said Militia Act of 1795, we also get constitutional carry of blades.
Oh, AND your arms are immune from all lawsuits and taxes and such for debt. Which is totally cool too.
Posted by: Sam at June 23, 2019 12:42 PM (YScgw)
Posted by: Nancy at 7000 ft at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (0tmoY)
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (1L9V9)
Silly me.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (m79Dg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (85Gof)
That ship has sailed, though.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 12:44 PM (SYNdr)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 12:45 PM (Wx/+I)
Yeah, I know it's Switzerland but they don't.
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)
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It's a dessert topping.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (gC2IV)
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It's a tax and a dessert topping!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (MVjcR)
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Without looking it up I think it went good. They never enforced a penalty if you did not own one, I believe. I recall Ted Nugent talking about this not so long ago.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 12:48 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at June 23, 2019 12:48 PM (xmKbk)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 12:48 PM (Wx/+I)
Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (CT1Wk)
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (1L9V9)
Kennesaw, Georgia didn't exactly mandate gun ownership. There were a lot of exemptions, even one for people that were conscientious objectors to owning guns.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (m79Dg)
See it's still about the gun...not your rights as a free citizen.
Equivalent of a driver's license for a Chevy or Ford. But I can see a reason to license Prius drivers special.
Posted by: torabora at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (tV94Q)
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:50 PM (MVjcR)
Put our tax dollars to good use for a change.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 12:50 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)
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It's a dessert topping.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (gC2IV)
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It's a tax and a dessert topping!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (MVjcR)
We've replaced the 2nd Amendment with laws that forbid people from owning guns. Let's see if they can tell the difference. We have hidden cameras recording their reactions.--Taster's Choice.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 12:51 PM (m79Dg)
I kinda thought that we already have a mandate in the 2nd Amendment.
Silly me.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (axyOa)
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As others have noted, the Constitution clearly contemplates this, and the statutory history is clear that this would be legal.
In terms of execution and compliance, it would be difficult, though. I guess you could tie it to voter registration or driver license renewal.
Back before Switzerland gave women the vote, the smaller cantons would hold their direct democracy events in the local stadium and for ID, the men would bring their gov't issued bayonet.
The debates were always very civil.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: pat at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (5zZ1Q)
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)
Weapons are mandatory at WeaselAcres.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:50 PM (MVjcR)
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Hey, I sent you the article I talked about yesterday. Check the gmail account, particularly the spam folder.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 12:53 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (AURKQ)
If we're going to have a PSA, how about: "The police have no duty to come to your rescue. What are you going to do to protect your home and family?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (Wx/+I)
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"I'm a banana slug, Steven. It took me a long time to get here."
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 12:55 PM (kQs4Y)
use punch-card ballots, but you have to hit your chosen marks from thirty yards.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 23, 2019 12:56 PM (AURKQ)
Yes, and a few other places too I think. But it was only meant to express disagreement with the antis. IIRC, it had a broad "conscience" opt out and I'm pretty sure no one has ever been prosecuted for noncompliance.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 12:57 PM (qc+VF)
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:58 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (CT1Wk)
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I wrote a lengthy paper in college using Kennesaw and a few of other examples from the US.
I plainly stated in the thesis statement that mandatory gun ownership was unconstitutional and should not be supported.
But I used these places as control groups to illustrate violent crime rates in well-known, heavily armed areas as compared to the national average, and contrasting that against areas with strict gun control.
Kennesaw was particularly useful, as it has proximity to a relatively violent city (Atlanta).
I made the case to drastically loosen firearm restrictions, and to make firearms training part of education from 6th - 8th grades.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 12:58 PM (5aX2M)
too.
Posted by: Sam
There's never been any proposal for mandatory carry. By anyone. Anywhere. At any time.
Otherwise, got the full Militia Act, organize that unorganized militia again, and have that training and command structure going.
Hanh?
Of course that also means accepting the government mandating such service.
Wrong again.
And likely some corvee-style alternative for the objectors.
Name one person forced to serve in the CA.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:59 PM (DrqHq)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 12:58 PM (5aX2M)
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How so? Cannot Congress direct the militia (that is the whole of the people) to obtain arms in defense of the nation?
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: pat at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (5zZ1Q)
Hawaiian Judge was issued one because you paranoid gun owners might shoot him for voting his conscience. That way, he can return fire if necessary.--Personal Gofer for Hawaiian Judge.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (m79Dg)
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (ykq7q)
Thanks again for those tax cuts that will expire, (R)s.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (Lwfjs)
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (cfSRQ)
Not the whole of the people. The whole of the citizenry. If you don't think the country is worth fighting for, you don't get to vote and you live here at the pleasure of those that do.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 01:03 PM (m79Dg)
Posted by: Juan Robertos at June 23, 2019 01:03 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:59 PM (DrqHq)
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If you mean the Continental Army, it's a moot point - the Constitution wasn't adopted until after the war was over.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:04 PM (cfSRQ)
use punch-card ballots, but you have to hit your chosen marks from thirty yards.
This is awesome. Can I give Weasel my proxy?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 01:04 PM (qc+VF)
Reciprocity: How does it work?
Apparently, no one in Maryland knows.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 01:05 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (cfSRQ)
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Same reason as Obamacare's individual mandate. That's not a tax, whatever John Roberts says.
Now, I suppose you could make the argument for pairing it with a budget neutral entitlement program, but that would be nearly as bad.
I'd just eliminate 95% of gun restrictions and let nature take its course.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:06 PM (5aX2M)
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So yer sayin' it'd be pretty stupid to suggest that the Founders had forced service in mind, right?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:08 PM (DrqHq)
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)
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I wonder if any radio station would carry it?
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 01:09 PM (axyOa)
every American should own a firearm and become proficient with it. Like
the "Feed the Pig" and numerous other stupid, stupid, stupid gubmint
funded awareness radio ads
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)
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I wonder if any radio station would carry it?
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 01:09 PM (axyOa)
The Salem-owned stations would.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:10 PM (ZEsGh)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:08 PM (DrqHq)
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No, merely that the example you asked for was besides the point.
The Founders very much had forced service in mind. Slavery was legal, after all.
The Militia Act of 1795 was pretty sweeping in its scope. The Founders distrusted standing military forces (particularly under the central government) to their solution was a massive force of militia.
That's why no amendments were needed for national conscription. It's part of Congress' power to regulate the militia, which consists of the whole body of the citizenry.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:11 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:12 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:12 PM (mpXpK)
See the error? Concealed carry is technically legal, but in reality impossible in New Jersey.
Untrue. NJ and all the other CCW-unfriendly states WILL issue licenses. As long as you make large political contributions to the right people, usually the County Sheriff's re-election fund. Or if you're clearly of the right sort of rich, non-minority person who can afford to get a pilot's license and join the County Sheriff's Air Auxiliary, as is common in several of the most left-wing counties in CA.
This has been the main result of CCW laws, massive corruption.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:13 PM (WJy0R)
Now, I suppose you could make the argument for pairing it with a
budget neutral entitlement program, but that would be nearly as bad.
I'd just eliminate 95% of gun restrictions and let nature take its course.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:06 PM (5aX2M)
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No, not at all.
Congress has explicit authority over the militia. It is well within historical tradition and legal precedent to mandate that all adult citizens capable of bearing arms have them.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:14 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: John Kerry in Ohio at June 23, 2019 01:15 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd
Yes, invoking slavery is a great strategy for forced carry.
The Militia Act of 1795 was pretty sweeping in its scope. The Founders distrusted standing military forces (particularly under the central government) to their solution was a massive force of militia.
ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 13 called and asked if you had time for a swabbing.
That's why no amendments were needed for national conscription. It's part of Congress' power to regulate the militia, which consists of the whole body of the citizenry.
'Regulate the militia'
Jesus. Do we have to do this again?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:16 PM (DrqHq)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
Embedded in your carotid artery.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (SqopC)
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:10 PM (ZEsGh)
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Mt heys be fun to do. Better than Geico add.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (axyOa)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia
Posted by: Ironwood at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (n5L++)
Posted by: Mattski at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FLyxJ)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (SYNdr)
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Got it. Thanks. Haven't had a chance to read it yet.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:10 PM (ZEsGh)
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I'd venture to guess more than half of their listeners own one or more guns, and the rest already approve of it and are restricted by law from doing it.
The trick would be to get stations that moderate LIVs listen to, and I bet it would be VERY expensive to get Clear Channel to air any controversial rightwing ad.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (5aX2M)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
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Smart people in New Jersey!!
Posted by: Oregon at June 23, 2019 01:19 PM (FiUMj)
Instead of mandate maybe use radio ads suggesting every American should own a firearm and become proficient with it. Like the "Feed the Pig" and numerous other stupid, stupid, stupid gubmint funded awareness radio ads
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)
Meh. I'm not a big fan of the M60. Yeah it's belt-fed, but it's not particularly reliable, the barrel design is stupid (asbestos glove? really?), prone to overheating, barrel droop and exploding in the gunner's face.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:19 PM (WJy0R)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (DrqHq)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
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Probably a good idea. Have you ever met anyone who lives in New Jersey?
Posted by: bluebell at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (aXucN)
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)
How are those different? I thought "regulated" meant trained/profecient?
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:22 PM (ykq7q)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:13 PM (WJy0R)
Big differences between "May" issue and "Shall" issue jurisdictions. There are about 41 shall-issue states.
Posted by: ccw shall be issued at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (K1IUD)
Posted by: bluebell at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (aXucN)
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Hello?
Posted by: Sen Cory (D-NJ) at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)
Jesus. Do we have to do this again?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:16 PM (DrqHq)
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Do what again?
The same Constitutional power that can conscript you and send you to fight in the South Pacific or Vietnam can be used to require you to have a firearm for the defense of the state.
Also, drop the arrogance. We're all friends here.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Ha at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (MAstk)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)
How are those different? I thought "regulated" meant trained/profecient?
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:22 PM (ykq7q)
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The left reads the term regulate as in put up restrictions. Regulate what gun you can own, how many, who can own, etc, vs regulate, as in the govt just needs to make sure the militia is proficient/ready for action if needed.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:24 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:25 PM (SYNdr)
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)
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NOPE.
i do NOT need a license to exercise a right.
that's why you have to get a driver's license, but not a speech one.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)
Roberts to betray?
Posted by: Ha at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (MAstk)
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Yep. They always leave the "fuck you conservatives" rulings until the end. Obamacare, SSM as but a few examples.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)
Or meeting the highest standard.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)
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We're working on that, give us a few years.
Posted by: Google, Facebook at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (FiUMj)
And a sideshow to the real question of whether rule of law will be restored in general, which would clearly include things like incorporation of the 2A against the states, and even the putative judicial "system" will follow its own rules - such that the inferior courts can no longer simply defy SCOTUS on Heller and MacDonald.
It is beginning to seem that Roberts is even worse than he seemed, in that he has shown zero interest in this unprecedented unraveling of his very own authority and that of his institution [which he is always portrayed as carefully protecting, by some calculation - even though that in itself is not his job or sworn duty].
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 01:27 PM (QDnY+)
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and
for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of
the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment
of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to
the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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That's pretty sweeping authority.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:27 PM (cfSRQ)
You know, the ones that said every able bodied Man between certain ages were in the Militia, AND, that they were to supply their own arms and ammo? Of what were then, the primary MILITARY small arm of the day?
How can anyone say that is not Constitutional when the FOUNDERS were the ones who wrote those laws?
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
A gun licensing mandate would work, with a single federal standard.
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)
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NOPE.
i do NOT need a license to exercise a right.
that's why you have to get a driver's license, but not a speech one.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)
Yup, absolutely.
Also, keep in mind that a driver's license is not a license to drive. It's a license to use public roads. You can drive all you want on private roads or your own property and the gov't can't say boo about it. Just don't leave that private property for one moment.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (WJy0R)
Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (LMcFk)
How can anyone say that is not Constitutional when the FOUNDERS were the ones who wrote those laws?
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
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Those old white guys owned slaves. Duh.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (SYNdr)
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
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Uhm the founders were racist and so everything they wrote is unconstitutional.
Posted by: AOC at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)
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NOPE.
i do NOT need a license to exercise a right.
that's why you have to get a driver's license, but not a speech one.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)
Yup, how can it be a RIGHT, if you need prior GOVERNMENT permission to perform it?
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:30 PM (NgKpN)
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Hold our $17 water bottles.
- 15 bicyclists who believe their group is a single vehicle and who can't use any other roads but the busiest ones
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:31 PM (SYNdr)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
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Yes. The government could also specify particular models and calibers on the basis of needing standardized ammo supply.
So it would be perfectly Constitutional to require every adult to possess a 9mm handgun and for them to present such weapon for inspection or face the same penalties as people refusing the draft.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (SYNdr)
A majority of them in Oregon do a household review and tend to leave notes on the recommendations that "houses with firearms should have the firearms secured for safety"
I always thought the recommendation should be "houses with firearms should have firearms training for minors by an accredited safety training group like (name the local one) as well as making sure firearms secured safely"
That would be a great move forward.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 01:33 PM (hSQmw)
Posted by: Ha at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (MAstk)
I say Yup. He is a douche bag.
A douche bag never changes it's spots.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 01:34 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
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Uhm the founders were racist and so everything they wrote is unconstitutional.
Posted by: AOC at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (FiUMj)
P.S.
Especially that Bill of Attainder thing.
- AOC
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:34 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:36 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 01:36 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 01:36 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 01:38 PM (7s3Gx)
But since you raised the OT .... There's no "winning" in the ICE stand-down debacle. Whether it was wholly or partly a result of what seems like an audacious bit of insubordination by MacAleenan [too many confirmations of his perfidy for silence, he has to specifically refute, with Trump's backing, to retain credibility] - or if it is as claimed, a very poorly considered "trade" of one of the first, long-overdue and long promised resumptions of normal internal enforcement for the holy grail of asylum reform.
Context. In the applicable one, with the history and dynamics it has, this looks like a yuuuuge blunder.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 01:39 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:39 PM (yQpMk)
So it would be perfectly Constitutional to require every adult to possess a 9mm handgun and for them to present such weapon for inspection or face the same penalties as people refusing the draft.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (cfSRQ)
The Primary Military small arm for the World today, it the Semi Auto 'Assault' Rifle.
The closest civilian equivalent is the AR-15.
That would be the standard required Arm if we follow the model of the Militia Acts.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (NgKpN)
A douche bag never changes it's spots.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 01:34 PM (Z+IKu)
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I'm not so sure.
This seems like a slam dunk. Citizenship was on the census before and it seems very odd to argue that the government can't know how many actual citizens it has.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (cfSRQ)
#1 wins the thread. A right that you can't afford is a right denied. We need our own federal funded Planned Pew-Pew
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:41 PM (yQpMk)
The closest civilian equivalent is the AR-15.
That would be the standard required Arm if we follow the model of the Militia Acts.
Each state could specify their own model, but they must have magazine compatibility.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:43 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:39 PM (yQpMk)
I didn't know there were enough Morons with miniguns to warrant a whole thread.
Clearly, I need to attend the TXMoMe.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:43 PM (t+qrx)
This. These are people that the courts have ordered deported. It seems like the lowest of low fruit and the kind of thing that should be happening routinely and daily.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (yQpMk)
The closest civilian equivalent is the AR-15.
That would be the standard required Arm if we follow the model of the Militia Acts.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (NgKpN)
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Not necessarily. Mandating a pistol would be appropriate if Congress determines it to be preferable. Remember, purpose of the militia is to "execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions."
So requiring adults to have a 9mm for personal defense would fall under executing the laws.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (cfSRQ)
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It's a piece over at Breitbart. It sounds like more help than we've received from Mexico in the past.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (DB16e)
Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations
Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;
Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (CFSlN)
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (67XdO)
This seems like a slam dunk. Citizenship was on the census before and it seems very odd to argue that the government can't know how many actual citizens it has.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (cfSRQ)
Didn't the recent cross ruling state something to effect that it is ludicrous for what was once acceptable and unremarkable to suddenly be unconstitutional?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (1g7ch)
Clearly, I need to attend the TXMoMe.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:43 PM (t+qrx)
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Yes, yes you do. Have you applied for your MoMe license yet?
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Vd1BJ)
This seems like a slam dunk. Citizenship was on the census before and it seems very odd to argue that the government can't know how many actual citizens it has.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (cfSRQ)
Good point, but it is Chief ClownCuck Roberts....not only will he deny the citizenship question, but he will mandate that all the illegal invaders have to buy Mugabe Care.
Honk. honk.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Z+IKu)
Died and gone to heaven.
Well, no. Just got back from the range giving Mrs. Garand's boy's invention a workout.
There's no mistaking a .30 caliber hole in paper or ringing a gong.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (R+3Am)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (yQpMk)
The left doesn't care if their changes are Constitutional errors, logical errors, common sense errors, 57 gender type errors, etc. If we are going to make the left follow their own rules, we need to start acting as retarded as they do. That way, the schism will be unbridgeable, California will leave the Union, dogs and cats will live together, the whole 9 yards.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (m79Dg)
@ArminRosen
The chief of staff of the Ethiopian army and the governor of the region that's historically been the country's seat of political power were both assassinated yesterday, icymi
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:48 PM (DrqHq)
It recognized that many people in the 18-45 age range didn't and weren't required to have guns, and it was a temporary emergency measure.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (5aX2M)
own property and the gov't can't say boo about it. Just don't leave that
private property for one moment.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (WJy0R)
Thanks to the pressure from doctors in SC cops can come on private property to arrest underage drivers AND parents.
Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (mpXpK)
https://tinyurl.com/y2hto9nh
Enjoy and use as needed.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 01:50 PM (7s3Gx)
if you can carry it you can have it. ie You cannot bear a tank therefore you cannot possess a tank.
A shoulder fired missile is OK. If you can bear it.
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:50 PM (CFSlN)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:50 PM (JAi0L)
Died and gone to heaven.
Well, no. Just got back from the range giving Mrs. Garand's boy's invention a workout.
There's no mistaking a .30 caliber hole in paper or ringing a gong.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (R+3Am)
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Sound of freedom!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (MVjcR)
I'll trade one for a case of gun show loopholes.
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (ykq7q)
if you can carry it you can have it. ie You cannot bear a tank therefore you cannot possess a tank.
A shoulder fired missile is OK. If you can bear it.
Cannon were routinely privately owned in the founder's time. How does that square?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (yQpMk)
@ravelry
We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:52 PM (DrqHq)
If you're speaking about the "A well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment then I have to respectfully but strongly disagree.
Consider the language of the day.
Perhaps a statement like 'That's a well regulated young man.'
He's nothing to do with congress. Just that he's 'got it together.'
A well regulated militia is well equiped and well trained.
Part of the chains upon congress.
Not told to do by congress.
Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 01:52 PM (ubFZv)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (JAi0L)
Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (mpXpK)
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They never stop.
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (CFSlN)
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Vd1BJ)
The way this thread is headed, I'm considering putting the application fee towards a Letter of Marque instead.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (JAi0L)
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (CFSlN)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:55 PM (DrqHq)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (r/xAU)
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Yeah, but are you accessorizing for the gals or for the guys?
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 01:55 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 01:55 PM (U7k5w)
So they are "banning" anyone who supports President Trump?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:56 PM (JAi0L)
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Vd1BJ)
The way this thread is headed, I'm considering putting the application fee towards a Letter of Marque instead.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (t+qrx)
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Aye!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:56 PM (MVjcR)
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Doesn't "include if of all include... " everything?" I'd think that would include white supremacists too.
And maybe even Trump voters.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:57 PM (5aX2M)
Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 01:57 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (5aX2M)
Wait, do people still live in New Jersey?
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Yes. Those who are trying to save up the money to pay the exit tax.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (w54mS)
effect that it is ludicrous for what was once acceptable and
unremarkable to suddenly be unconstitutional?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (1g7ch)
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Yes, and there was also raised the question of standing.
What particularized injury will knowing the actual number of citizens cause?
The Dems have to argue that there may be *less* counting of people who have no legal right to be here in the first place.
Given the "actual enumeration" is spelled out, it's strange to find that the same document *bars* the government from knowing how many are citizens.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (cfSRQ)
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Well it doesn't look like I'll be taking up knitting then.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (MVjcR)
So requiring adults to have a 9mm for personal defense would fall under executing the laws.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (cfSRQ)
You are not going to 'repel invasions' with a 9mm.
Note, the Militia acts did not even speak to side arms, which is what a pistol is considered.
It was Muskets, and Rifles.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (yQpMk)
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I like your thinking but that wasn't covered in the interview.
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (CFSlN)
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (MVjcR)
Damn straight!
And I shot straight, too.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (R+3Am)
were to be invoked in case of insurrection or invasion by the President,
should Congress be in recess. It also provides for young white men to
purchase guns and ammo within 6 months of being called, with the
executive order ending after two years.
It recognized that many people in the 18-45 age range didn't and
weren't required to have guns, and it was a temporary emergency measure.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (5aX2M)
And back then Congress wasn't around most of the year.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (ZEsGh)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:00 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (MVjcR)
Damn straight!
And I shot straight, too.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (R+3Am)
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Nice! I had one of mine out last weekend too!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 02:00 PM (MVjcR)
For example the touted deployment of 6K troops to Guatemalan crossing points already seems to have produced the expected "workarounds" [changing location of crossing]. Dynamic response.
Overall, including the actual nature of the funding supplemental that is part of the purported enforcement/congressional action mix, things look very grim on border and migration [see Cong. Roy on the supplemental].
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:01 PM (QDnY+)
if you can carry it you can have it. ie You cannot bear a tank therefore you cannot possess a tank.
A shoulder fired missile is OK. If you can bear it.
Cannon were routinely privately owned in the founder's time. How does that square?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (yQpMk)
Yup, a lot of the Artillery in the early Civil War (on both sides) were Guns owned by Cities, States, or PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, who donated them to the 'cause'.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:02 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 02:03 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: guy with a pantload at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (UdKB7)
Note, the Militia acts did not even speak to side arms, which is what a pistol is considered.
It was Muskets, and Rifles.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (NgKpN)
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I don't follow you. I'm not arguing the Militia Acts are still in effect. My point is that Congress could pass a law requiring individual ownership of firearms and it would pass Constitutional muster.
The language clearly includes "to execute the laws of the Union," which Congress could declare the purpose of the "militia call-up."
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
Further, the Founders were ok with hiring people who owned ships with cannons. AKA Privateers.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (DrqHq)
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (ZEsGh)
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They ought to try that again.
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (CFSlN)
So they are "banning" anyone who supports President Trump?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:56 PM (JAi0L)
Sounds like an in Kind Campaign Contribution.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (I5SAg)
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That sums it up pretty well.
I think the KKK and Black Panthers are idiots, but I also acknowledge that they are American and have every right to say dumb stuff.
These folks don't believe in that. I don't mean on their site. I get that part. They mean ANYWHERE. That's the whole "white supremacist" nonsense. Make that stick and supporting Trump is a crime everywhere.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (Lwfjs)
I, for one, am so glad that the scourge of white supremacism has been
eradicated in the knitting world. I was really worried for a while.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:00 PM (gC2IV)
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I know I'll sleep better knowing that people wanting to knit MAGA caps will do it...without that one web site I never heard of before.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (cfSRQ)
I think it's time we start going into leftist-owned firms and demand they make us Trump paraphernalia...or get sued.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:06 PM (JAi0L)
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:06 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:06 PM (QDnY+)
also acknowledge that they are American and have every right to say
dumb stuff.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (Lwfjs)
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But do they have the right to crochet it?
STAND UP AGAINST HATE KNITTING!!!
Posted by: Leftist knitter in pussy hat at June 23, 2019 02:07 PM (cfSRQ)
http://tinyurl.com/yxvas2c6
Excerpt: "The Regulators were a large group of North Carolina colonists who opposed the taxation and fee system imposed by colonial officials in the late 1760s."
We've been troublemakers here for some time.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:07 PM (KoKdw)
If you can, I'll humbly admit that I was wrong. If you can't, you're barred from employment and commerce, and I get to burn your home to the ground, your wretched family shrieking off into exile in the dead of night, the tawdry remnants of the rags on your backs your only allowed possessions.
Any takers?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:08 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Leftist knitter in pussy hat
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I'm knot so sure about this...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:08 PM (KoKdw)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (DrqHq)
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Ah for the days when one could outfit a warship for fun and profit!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (cfSRQ)
Went to a Lake up here in Calif Friday with the Lady friend, to do some Hiking and Kayaking.
Wore my MAGA Hat, and the ONLY comment I got all day, was POSITIVE.
Things are not as the media would have us believe, even here in Clownifornia.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:10 PM (I5SAg)
Carolina colonists who opposed the taxation and fee system imposed by
colonial officials in the late 1760s."
We've been troublemakers here for some time.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:07 PM (KoKdw)
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Your college basketball teams are doing the same thing to the NCAA.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: guy with a pantload at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (UdKB7)
see: Darwin
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (ykq7q)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (Dh1wo)
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (I5SAg)
I, for one, am so glad that the scourge of white supremacism has been
eradicated in the knitting world. I was really worried for a while.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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The purl world remains to be subdued, however.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:12 PM (KoKdw)
The right to keep and bear is inalienable and unconditional.
Abrogation or infringement is a result of irresponsible exercise of that right. The same applies to all rights enumerated.
The PRIVILEGE of not exercising any right is also unconditional. However, privilege may not trump a right.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 02:12 PM (KATBx)
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (I5SAg)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (Lwfjs)
Posted by: guy with a pantload at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (UdKB7)
see: Darwin
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (ykq7q)
It still cracks me up that the most famous Gunfight in History, the OK Corral, was when the Earp's were trying to confiscate guns.
Kinda makes me question who I should be rooting for.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (QDnY+)
I thought an anathema was a fancy library in Liverpool and in Boston??
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (Dh1wo)
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No, its that thing you get when you're constipated.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:12 PM (KoKdw)
Subdue the Perl world?
From my cold dead regexes.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (t+qrx)
their site. I get that part. They mean ANYWHERE. That's the whole "white
supremacist" nonsense. Make that stick and supporting Trump is a crime
everywhere.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (Lwfjs)"
..
The more they fuck with everyone else, the more those people decide that what *they* believe in is living some place without leftists in it... and then they get to thinking about how to be the change they want to see in the world, as someone once put it.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (67XdO)
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (ZEsGh)
______________________________
With today's high tech there is no reason they can't work out of an office in their hometown.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (QDnY+)
Are hogobblins white?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 02:15 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (cfSRQ)
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Hypothetically thinking: We've seen those vids of Somali pirates and how easy it is to overtake one of those big tankers.
A well trained and equipped crew, even with shooters on the ship, would have a good chance of subduing it.
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:15 PM (CFSlN)
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (DB16e)
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Less opportunity for graft.
Posted by: Congresscritter at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (2qPhT)
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (NgKpN)
If you're enjoying the outdoors, your odds are better for meeting people who are conservative leaning, or at least don't GAF one way or the other.
Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (LMcFk)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (QDnY+)
n.b. they had to thaw out "white supremacist" because "racist" ran out of juice. I'm idly curious what they'll choose once they've fucked the life out of THAT chicken.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:17 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Congresscritter
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Also, more available for tar and feathers by constituents.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:17 PM (2qPhT)
pfft, pew-pew-pew-pew 10 x might get the job done.
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:17 PM (r/xAU)
Anyway, I deleted my account. Are you the one for whom they said "Less flouncing, more leaving, ta"?
Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 02:19 PM (U7k5w)
See the world for a few weeks in out armed up privateer
Bonuses for loot secured!
A lifetime of memories to be had so come aboard!
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:20 PM (BbGew)
There are 37,00 deaths from Car wrecks per year.
There are 393 Million guns in the US.
There are 37,000 gun deaths per year in the US, with 22,000 of those being suicide.
Take out suicide, and you are about 3 times more likely to die from you car, then from your gun.
Clearly, we need to ban cars.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:21 PM (NgKpN)
"nationalist"
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 23, 2019 02:21 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 23, 2019 02:22 PM (Rarvo)
https://twitter.com/ThinGrayLine01/status/
1142817986417451008
... if there hasn't been a link yet.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:22 PM (Dh1wo)
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:22 PM (I5SAg)
If the Left honestly defined 'white supremacy,' they'd say it's anything that does not comport with idea that white people are to blame for everything and must be punished.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:23 PM (JAi0L)
Posted by: Congresscritter at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (cfSRQ)
_________________________
That would be horrible for Congress.
They'd even be held accountable by the hometown media to some extent. I would think that would mean a more informed voter roll. Yeah, couldn't have that.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:23 PM (DB16e)
Please don't go thinking that the left's use of 'white supremacy' has anything whatsoever to do with the phrase with which you're familiar.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:24 PM (JAi0L)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Obamaboro, VT and Prood of it !!! at June 23, 2019 02:24 PM (qM84C)
Clearly, we need to ban cars.
Posted by: Don Q
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Have you looked at the fatalities as a consequence of botched medical treatment?
"A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:25 PM (w54mS)
Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 02:26 PM (U7k5w)
"A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:25 PM (w54mS)
Ran those stats before, you are more than 20 times more likely to be killed by your Doctor, than by someone else's gun.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (NgKpN)
Keep in mind, ALL white people are BORN racist, according to the Left.
These words, such as "racist," mean NOTHING, today.
Do not give them any credibility.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (JAi0L)
First your car runs you over, then your gun shoots you.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (CFSlN)
Ummmmmm......Yes.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (Z+IKu)
I can't imagine that whatever the current version of the M-16 is, it doesn't have full auto on the selector switch.
And no takers on the current law that includes an ex post facto portion?
Hint, it is one that a fair number around here are fully on board with.
Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (ubFZv)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)
Oh wow! Antimatter Universe Willow sighting!
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (di1hb)
Hammer House Of Horrors is on. I never heard of this old (70's) Brit tv series.
It's pretty good.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (JAi0L)
That would be horrible for Congress.
They'd even be held accountable by the hometown media to some extent. I would think that would mean a more informed voter roll. Yeah, couldn't have that.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:23 PM (DB16e)
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I want their health insurance and pension.
Isn't it true that they only need be re-elected one time in order to receive a pension?
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (CFSlN)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:24 PM (JAi0L)
No, of course it hasn't. I shouldn't be thinking of ways to win rhetorically against people who failed remedial reality as a second language, because it's like playing cards with someone who says your hand is just a social construct.
*sigh*
Gonna need lots of torches, I guess.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)
Evening Attire: Bond Arms derringer on tasteful but saucy thigh holster
Weddings: Skorpion SMG, in chrome and mother of pearl grips (lots of people at weddings)
Business: Glock 43
Casual: ...Help me out here. CZ PO-1? Belt holster?
Beach: Micro-Uzi (fits in beach bag)
Shopping: CZ 75, in tote holster
Posted by: Mark Rothko at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (R7nPl)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (NWiLs)
So, essentially if your car, your doctor, and your gun all conspire against you -
it's curtains, baby!
Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (r1/AF)
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (I5SAg)
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Don Q
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So the query by the doctor at examination time, rather than "Do you have any guns?" should be, "Do you have a doctor?" LOL, it sure as hell would make the point.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (w54mS)
https://tinyurl.com/ycer6x9
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (iTfiy)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (NWiLs)
Then your dog leaves you for your best friend.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (t+qrx)
You get semi and three round burst on M16s and M4s.
Posted by: Vanya at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (R7nPl)
Do I want to contribute to his income stream? No, not even advertiser links.
Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 02:31 PM (U7k5w)
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First you get in your truck, and then your dog shoots you. See yesterday's pet thread.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:31 PM (Dh1wo)
Posted by: Insomniac
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But the real danger is after you've been taken to the hospital.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:33 PM (Ou6XS)
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (t+qrx)
hasn't that happened to many of us? I say dogs are only loyal when You are the one that gives them the best treats!
Try being a kosher household and some pal brings along a treyf treat.
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:33 PM (r/xAU)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:34 PM (JAi0L)
Guess I'll stick with the model I carried in the early-mid 70's.
Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 02:34 PM (ubFZv)
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:35 PM (r/xAU)
Isn't it true that they only need be re-elected one time in order to receive a pension?
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (CFSlN)
No, it's 5 years of service, so a senator needs to get through 5/6 of a term and a congressman needs to be elected 3 times and get through half of the 3rd term.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (ZEsGh)
Posted by: Dog what shot his owner at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: G marks the spot at June 23, 2019 02:37 PM (j5RRD)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:31 PM (SYNdr)
Slingshot. Quarter-ounce fishing sinker. Treble hook. Three yards of 100# test line.
Some assembly required.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 02:38 PM (WG6O9)
There are 37,00 deaths from Car wrecks per year.
There are 393 Million guns in the US.
There are 37,000 gun deaths per year in the US, with 22,000 of those being suicide.
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Now do new annual HIV cases and AIDS deaths.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:39 PM (Lwfjs)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 02:41 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:48 PM (DrqHq)
The perps: muzzies or commies?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 02:41 PM (WG6O9)
I can't imagine that whatever the current version of the M-16 is, it doesn't have full auto on the selector switch.
And no takers on the current law that includes an ex post facto portion?
Hint, it is one that a fair number around here are fully on board with.
Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (ubFZv)
I believe the latest version of the M16 (M16A4) with Safe/Semi/3 Round Burst was the standard issue rifle for USMC until 2014. Now, infantry types have the M4 carbine (full auto) and non-infantry Marines have the M16A4.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 02:47 PM (di1hb)
See the world for a few weeks in out armed up privateer
Bonuses for loot secured!
A lifetime of memories to be had so come aboard!
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:20 PM (BbGew)
Cries out for a link to this:
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=mQbh7UNCZdc
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 02:52 PM (WG6O9)
Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 02:55 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Zardoz at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Ryan at June 23, 2019 03:57 PM (MbXyl)
So a law specifying side arms in addition to long arms would have precedent.
A.H. Lloyd: Given the standard of said Militia Act, I agree with Don Q that the AR-15 would wind up at the default, or at least the 5.56 mm as the required caliber.
However, if it did come to specifying sidearms, I'm sure the argument over caliber there would cause quite the internet-style war.
(Also, thank you for covering all the history elements that I left unexplained in such a concise and accurate manner.)
Posted by: Sam at June 23, 2019 04:26 PM (YScgw)
Posted by: Kurt at June 23, 2019 04:48 PM (eHPhW)
We did before when we were free men.
Back under the stairs, Dunce.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 06:10 PM (yQpMk)
Everyone is a member of the honorable militia by dint of being an American citizen.
Simple.
imagine to insanity of those who have yet to learn to code.
Posted by: Phil Carson at June 23, 2019 06:15 PM (LLej1)
Oh yeah.
You do everything possible to slam the Overton window in the other direction.
It costs the human extinction movement huge resources and money to simply move it back to it's last place.
All the while you outflank em' from another direction.
Ol' Ace may have forgotten his brilliant tiny masterpiece 12 years ago, but I never did.
Preference Cascade Bitchez.
Posted by: Phil Carson at June 23, 2019 06:22 PM (LLej1)
Posted by: Catnip at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (fXZu3)
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