Pentagon Ponders Ketogenic Diet to Make Soldiers Stronger, More Lethal

Oh boy. Sorry about this. It just worked out this way.

I've had this post in the queue since this morning.

And having talked up keto all day in the comments, now I spring this on you.

But I swear, I just forgot I'd written this up earlier.

I'm not trying to do keto NXIVM, swearsies.

Carbs are the enemy, and the US military must terminate them with extreme prejudice.

Ditching carbs may be the key to military success in America's future wars.
Top Pentagon officials say research has shown that human bodies in ketosis -- the goal of the popular and controversial ketogenic diet -- can stay underwater for longer periods, making the fat- and protein-heavy eating plan a potential benefit to military divers. It is one example of a rapidly growing trend as military researchers zero in on how nutrition and certain drugs can enhance how fighting men and women perform in battle.
But U.S. defense officials say they lack the legal authorities to dictate to soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines what they can and cannot eat. Critics of the entire concept warn that the military is entering a danger-filled world if it begins ordering diets and drug protocols solely to build more lethal warriors.
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An Ohio State University study this year followed 29 people -- most members of the campus ROTC -- and had roughly half of them follow the keto diet. The study found that the 15 participants on the diet were able "to maintain ketosis for 12 weeks" by eating just 30 to 50 grams of carbohydrates each day.
Those participants lost an average of 17 pounds and 5% of their body fat, researchers say, while those in the group who followed a more carb-heavy diet experienced little change to their bodies.
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"We showed that a group of people with military affiliation could accept a ketogenic diet and successfully lose weight, including visceral adipose tissue, a type of fat strongly associated with chronic disease," said Jeff Volek, a professor in the department of human science at Ohio State and a co-author of the report. "This could be the first step toward a bigger study looking at the potential benefits of ketogenic eating in the armed forces."

A doctor named Dominic D'Agostino is the main guy studying the effects of ketosis on divers, working with the Navy SEALs.

I think D'Agostino is mostly researching exogenous ketones -- ketones you eat as supplements, rather than endogenous ketones produced in the body via carbohydrate restriction -- but the end results are similar.

For the first time, ketone esters--oral supplements useful in epilepsy treatment--are being studied to fight seizures caused by hyperbaric oxygen toxicity, a life-threatening byproduct of breathing too much oxygen that impacts deep-water divers.
The Office of Naval Research (ONR) is sponsoring this research.
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Dr. Dominic D’Agostino, a professor at the University of South Florida in Tampa, is conducting the ONR-supported research.
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Special Operations divers such as Navy SEALs are especially at risk. Divers can encounter dangerous levels of nitrogen and carbon dioxide gasses when breathing underwater, requiring a rebreather to mitigate the toxicity. But Special Operations divers use a closed-circuit rebreather that filters out the gasses in such a way that bubbles don't appear on the water’s surface--useful when trying to avoid detection by enemy combatants.
However, this additional stealth increases how much oxygen the divers breathe and, combined with mission stress and physical exertion, can lead to seizures, convulsions, nausea, dizziness and even coma or death--all symptoms of oxygen toxicity.
Currently, anti-seizure sedatives are the only treatment for oxygen toxicity, said D'Agostino. But these drugs must be administered in high doses that could impair warfighters' mental and physical performance. D'Agostino sees a possible solution in ketone esters, which are supplements engineered to raise blood ketones--powerful energy sources the body produces naturally that act as a super fuel.

If you're interested in his work, there are dozens of YouTube interviews with him, including on Joe Rogan. Here's one of him discussing his research into using ketones/ketosis to reduce neurological impairments like epilepsy with Rhonda Patrick, who's a little nerd cutie.

In the first section of this interview, he talks about DARPA's interest in ketone supplementation. (The military doesn't like the full ketogenic diet, because they're worried about reduced performance without carbohydrates and they've got an entire sub-industry of food preparation already in place which includes a lot of carbs, so they'd prefer to just add ketones in pill form.)

He talks about his work with SEALs here as well.

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1

Dr. Oscar Goldman

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2019 07:33 PM (aKsyK)

2 Calories Out!

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 07:33 PM (fDW6s)

3 The brainwashing begins. How long till the cult is in the MSM?

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 07:33 PM (mX8Vr)

4 >>Dr. Oscar Goldman

We can rebuild him.

We can make him leaner.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 07:33 PM (fDW6s)

5 I knew it. Ace is starting a cult.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 07:34 PM (pUDQf)

6 no honestly I've had this in the queue all day. it was the second post i wrote.

but now I need something and this is the only post that's finished, apart from my end-of-day cats post.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (PbpT7)

7 My husband was just diagnosed yesterday with Type 1 diabetes. It was shocking to us and his doctor because it's something children and young people get. My husband is Get Off My Lawn old and I'm 2 1/2 years older.

We were doing Keto, and the doctor said, "Don't even think about that now."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (ptqGC)

8 what wine pairs with exogenous ketones?

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (fDW6s)

9 If no carbs, what else am I going to eat?

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (BbGew)

10
Alls I know about Nutrition is this: Every thing turns into Fat. Carbs turn into Fat. Protein turns into Fat. And Fat turns into more Fat.

But the worst of the bunch is Carbs.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (GXN+Y)

11

Cats have an end of days cult?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (aKsyK)

12 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (1XAal)

13 Sure ace, that's what the last cult said.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (FQj4d)

14 Ace, sorry if I previously asked by someone else: how did your 28-day fast affect your sleep, if at all? I've done five 7-day fasts, and don't sleep very well -- especially with each passing day. It could be that I'm more energetic ... thanks in advance.

Posted by: ShainS -- Quarter-Wit aspiring to be Half-Wit at June 11, 2019 07:36 PM (YzPmt)

15 Anyhow, I'm a bit emotional tonight because of everything we've been dealing with, beginning with the sudden hospital stay last week.

BCochran was a blessing to us last night.

Later.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:36 PM (ptqGC)

16 So the military opts for cheap, roller coaster energy with health side effects as opposed to constant energy with health benefits.

Your government at work.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 07:37 PM (pUDQf)

17 No, I'm not getting a King Ranch brand on my ass, Ace.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 11, 2019 07:37 PM (CI1R7)

18 I wish I had come up with this keto thing. That and crossfit.

Posted by: Zombie V.I. Lenin at June 11, 2019 07:38 PM (EgshT)

19 Love Dr. Rhonda.

New baby, I think.

Have you been talking about the 27 1/4 day fast? (Why, that's nearly one day for every year!) Because I've been waiting for THAT post.

Posted by: moviegique at June 11, 2019 07:38 PM (oRIVo)

20 I have no problem with more lethal warriors, myself.

Posted by: bluebell at June 11, 2019 07:38 PM (aXucN)

21 We were doing Keto, and the doctor said, "Don't even think about that now."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (ptqGC

Keto reversed my Brother in law's Type I.

Do it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 07:38 PM (pUDQf)

22 Alls I know about Nutrition is this: Every thing turns into Fat. Carbs turn into Fat. Protein turns into Fat. And Fat turns into more Fat.

But the worst of the bunch is Carbs.
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (GXN+Y)
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Because it feeds your candida (stomach fungus) who then play on the stomache-brain highway to make you crave more carbs.

Your good gut flora like plant fiber.

As I was staring down the barrel of IBS, I became versed in stomach biome damn quick.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 07:38 PM (DuZls)

23 Jane, an all encompassing hug to the both of you.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (Sf7dd)

24 "Anyhow, I'm a bit emotional tonight because of everything we've been dealing with, beginning with the sudden hospital stay last week.
BCochran was a blessing to us last night.
Later."
-Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:36 PM (ptqGC)

BCochran is a Good Man. Prayers for you and your Husband, Jane D'oh.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (Ckg4U)

25 Continuing the discussion from last thread.

I mentioned I eat what I like, but I will readily admit I love the carbs and could cut down on them.

Any suggestions for someone who doesn't really like meat?

I really love eggs but I can only eat so many in a single day.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (9hauA)

26 I don't know which is worse-- women who are obsessed with diets or men who are obsessed with diets. Of course ace is an Ewok, so maybe he's an exception. But I'm thoroughly tired of the whole subject.

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (pPNCa)

27 Sure ace, that's what the last cult said.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (FQj4d)
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*Your* last cult?

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (DuZls)

28
So, I've been on keto. Guess I'll sign up to be a SEAL.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (Wx/+I)

29 >>>ace, sorry if I previously asked by someone else: how did your 28-day fast affect your sleep, if at all? I've done five 7-day fasts, and don't sleep very well -- especially with each passing day. It could be that I'm more energetic ... thanks in advance.

Yeah, I mentioned that in an earlier comment thread. I can't say that it definitely affected my sleep, because I wasn't sleeping great before the fast, but I did tend to wake up more during sleep, and wake up earlier than I indended (often after just five or six hours).

Also, I tended to try to make up for the water I had not drunk during the day by drinking a lot at night, and I would have to get up and pee during the night at least once, sometimes twice.

I have read other people having this problem, sometimes because they feel too amped up due to the ketones.

I often didn't sleep well and I'm not sure if the fasting had something to do with this, but they did coincide.

Then again, I broke fast on Wednesday and still have not had great sleep, and still often have to pee in the middle of the night.

But other people report having sleep problems -- or, putting it in a better way, not needing as much sleep and waking up early and energetic -- so I think probably something went on with my sleep.

The bad days I had here and there were due to being tired from short sleep, not from weakness due to hunger.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (PbpT7)

30 Prayers Jane.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (axyOa)

31 I guess I could be talked into little nerd cutie thread followed by end-of-day cats thread being a regular thing. Twist my arm.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (t+qrx)

32 Jane, your husband has Type I diabetes? I've never heard of that in adults. I knew he had been diagnosed with diabetes but I assumed it was type II. That's astonishing. I'm sure BCochran was a font of knowledge for you. Hang in there - you guys can do this.

Posted by: bluebell at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (aXucN)

33
Food Is Fuel: Use It or Never Lose It!

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (GXN+Y)

34
I have no problem with more lethal warriors, myself.
Posted by: bluebell

Reminds me of a Star Trek TNG episode.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (aKsyK)

35 People need to understand that for almost all of military history, the danger has been troops starving to death.

The only time weight gain was an issue was when they were plundering the hell out of something and getting drunk all the time.

So the military is going to have to make this change slowly. Fresh veggies take a lot more effort to ship out and store, while canned peaches in syrup last forever.

I've noticed they're starting to issue "diet" MREs that have a lot less calories in them.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (cfSRQ)

36 Any suggestions for someone who doesn't really like meat?

I really love eggs but I can only eat so many in a single day.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (9hauA)

Fish?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (t+qrx)

37 So bacon for every meal in the chow hall? Can I re enlist?

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at June 11, 2019 07:41 PM (fikzx)

38 Try fish. Eat more good fats which make you feel fuller. Avacados. Real butter. Bacon. Peanut Butter.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 07:41 PM (pUDQf)

39 Man, I am enjoying my Close-Tags right about now.

...and if this is a Cult, we're going to need a Compound and quite possibly a Moat.

I'll start setting-up a Go Fund Me for the Aircraft Carrier.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 11, 2019 07:41 PM (Ckg4U)

40
We were doing Keto, and the doctor said, "Don't even think about that now."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (ptqGC

Keto reversed my Brother in law's Type I.

Do it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 07:38 PM (pUDQf)

Type 2 can be reversed, but not Type 1. It's a complete failure of the pancreas to produce insulin. I've read so much about it over the last couple of days my head is spinning.

I think I'll wait to hear what his endocrinologist says. As far as the military goes, I can't imagine my son and his unit doing Keto while in the Afghanistan desert in 120 heat, eating non or lo-carb foods. Jeebus. Idiocy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:42 PM (ptqGC)

41 Ditching carbs may be the key to military success in America's future wars.

And here all along, I thought it was a formula of making better choices in what nations to build and having a sane ROE.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 11, 2019 07:42 PM (lD3vL)

42 Chicken and spices.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 07:42 PM (mX8Vr)

43 Ace, have you become a skeleton?

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 07:42 PM (RBOtF)

44 Hang on, was that end-of-day cats post or end-of-days cats post?

Eh, whatever.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 11, 2019 07:42 PM (t+qrx)

45 Keto...schmeto.
If there isn't any of SFC Hernandez's chilimac in a mermite can for chow when it's 15 degrees and you've been in the field for 2 weeks, then to hell with it!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (axyOa)

46 >>>I mentioned I eat what I like, but I will readily admit I love the carbs and could cut down on them.

well, fats. Olives. Avocados. Pork rinds as snacks, maybe with onion dip sour cream. Sometimes I take heavy whipping cream, whip it up with an immersion blender with some kind of zero-calorie flavoring (maybe vanilla extract plus stevia or sucralose) and have flavored whipped cream. Or sometimes I blend in heavy whipping cream and ice cubes and have a milkshake.

(Though drinking calories is rarely a good thing. this is just a snack to be occasionally indulged in.)

People get in additional fats by adding butter and MCT oil (or just butter) coffee or tea, or putting a pat of butter on most meats.

Salmon has a nicely high fat content.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (PbpT7)

47 Everyone should try Keto. It does wonders. You don't have to stay on it. I did it for a few months and then upped my carbs to the status of "low carb". I continued to benefit and actually still do. It's easy and enjoyable.

Posted by: Kegeshook at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (pq5SX)

48 I'll start setting-up a Go Fund Me for the Aircraft Carrier.

Pffft.

Fast attacks.

With underwater lasers.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (CI1R7)

49 Critics of the entire concept warn that the military is entering a danger-filled world if it begins ordering diets and drug protocols solely to build more lethal warriors.

Isn't violating this sort of the base-line plot for any of the thousands of Jason Bourne like movies?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (lD3vL)

50 and still often have to pee in the middle of the night.
I hear this is a thing once you pass the age of 29.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (r+sAi)

51 >>>43 Ace, have you become a skeleton?

nah, I need at least one more round, after doing normal keto + IF and exercise for a while.

My face looks weird, though. I tend to lose from the top down.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:44 PM (PbpT7)

52 I have full fat whipping cream every day.

Posted by: Kegeshook at June 11, 2019 07:44 PM (pq5SX)

53 Fine. Science. Im not a bloody 17yo Marine in bbot camp.

Grains and milk got my people through the mini ice age all the way until this century. You know what's is not good for you. Pork rinds and starvation diets.

Posted by: 13times at June 11, 2019 07:44 PM (K3B2k)

54 >>The only time weight gain was an issue was when they were plundering the hell out of something and getting drunk all the time.

If only you had told me sooner.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 07:44 PM (/tuJf)

55 On topic:

Did you see where Nike has introduced obese mannequins for their in-store yoga pants displays?

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 11, 2019 07:44 PM (Lwfjs)

56 So, fat 19 year olds in the military are a thing now?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 11, 2019 07:44 PM (w7KSn)

57 Jane, your husband has Type I diabetes? I've never
heard of that in adults. I knew he had been diagnosed with diabetes but
I assumed it was type II. That's astonishing. I'm sure BCochran was a
font of knowledge for you. Hang in there - you guys can do this.

Posted by: bluebell at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (aXucN)

Yes, it was a complete shock. Since he came home from the hospital, we've been keeping a food diary. I'm feeding him lo-carb, but diabetics HAVE to have a certain percentage of carbs. His new doctor (who is a great young, smart doc, and our neighbor) told me yesterday I'm doing an incredible job.

I will admit to breaking down and shedding some tears this evening because of ALL THE THINGS I'm having to do this week in my regular life.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:44 PM (ptqGC)

58 "Pffft.
Fast attacks.
With underwater lasers."
-Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (CI1R7)

I am often Short-Sighted, therefore, I trust The Horde.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 11, 2019 07:45 PM (Ckg4U)

59 Miracle noodles (shiratake noodles -- zero carb, and barely any calories either) with a sauce of butter, italian seasoning, and liberal sprinkling of parmesan gives you some good fat along with virtually no protein and zero carbs.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:45 PM (PbpT7)

60 So are only male soldiers going to do this, or will women, too?

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 11, 2019 07:45 PM (Lwfjs)

61 Wonder if Kirsten Gillebrand approves of this.

Posted by: t-bird at June 11, 2019 07:46 PM (Ry8mf)

62 I am so ignorant about what is in food other than what I think tastes good. I've never looked at things like calories or carbs, I am pretty sure meat has protein and my mom told me vegetables are good for me. That pretty much is my full knowledge.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 07:46 PM (r+sAi)

63 Ditching carbs may be the key to military success in America's future wars.

****

And here I thought it was closing with the enemy by means of fire and maneuver in order to destroy, kill or capture him.

Silly me.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2019 07:46 PM (axyOa)

64 I hear this is a thing once you pass the age of 29.
================================

It is but I ignore it. You also get lazier once you pass the age of 29.

Posted by: Kegeshook at June 11, 2019 07:46 PM (pq5SX)

65 another good snack is moon cheese or cello whisps, both available at costco for a fair price. Mostly fat, well, with some protein.

I tend to overindulge on these.

And they're too expensive to just nom nom nom on.

but they're a good thing to have in the cabinet.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:47 PM (PbpT7)

66 I know I keep mentioning this in Gainz threads so at the risk of annoying some of you I gotta say switching to black coffee in the morning has made a subtle but profound difference. I am losing weight again. I weigh less than almost at any time since I have kept track of my weight, and that was way before reaching the advanced age of 29. I make sure to get a little exercise in every day and I don't eat any carbs till dinner. my first meal is 12 or 1pm. Pretty small. IF style.

Posted by: Max Power at June 11, 2019 07:47 PM (q177U)

67 Ugh. I'm feeling low. Gonna go take a break on the screened porch and calm down.

Husband is saying goodbye to the Scout troop and leaders he can't go with.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:47 PM (ptqGC)

68 I would join a Young Nastassja Kinski cult.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 07:48 PM (fuK7c)

69 Pork rinds are fine.

They're a godsend for my Type-1 son.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 11, 2019 07:48 PM (oVJmc)

70 Ace, what are your treats?

Posted by: Kegeshook at June 11, 2019 07:48 PM (pq5SX)

71 well, fats. Olives. Avocados. Pork rinds as snacks,
maybe with onion dip sour cream. Sometimes I take heavy whipping cream,
whip it up with an immersion blender with some kind of zero-calorie
flavoring (maybe vanilla extract plus stevia or sucralose) and have
flavored whipped cream. Or sometimes I blend in heavy whipping cream and
ice cubes and have a milkshake.

(Though drinking calories is rarely a good thing. this is just a snack to be occasionally indulged in.)

People get in additional fats by adding butter and MCT oil (or just
butter) coffee or tea, or putting a pat of butter on most meats.

Salmon has a nicely high fat content.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:43 PM (PbpT7)

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This is where we part ways.

Fat makes me sick. Always has. I don't really like the taste of butter. I did that thing with the whipping cream in my coffee and nearly puked.

I love bacon, but have to dry it on a napkin to cut the grease.

I think nuts are my answer, as they have fats. And of course, low-cal, low-carb veg. Corn and celery are staples in my diet since they aren't really sticking around. Make you full and then leave.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 07:48 PM (cfSRQ)

72 Ace, do you ever listen to your body rather than looking at a bunch of prop material?

If I tried to do to any one of my high performance horses what you are doing they would have already kicked the bucket

Posted by: Ben Had at June 11, 2019 07:48 PM (Sf7dd)

73 Critics of the entire concept warn that the military is entering a danger-filled world if it begins ordering diets and drug protocols solely to build more lethal warriors.

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I thought this was odd. When I was in, I pretty much had to eat what they gave me.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 11, 2019 07:48 PM (qSCcj)

74
Jane, you're a good woman and a wonderful wife. We all feel badly for the both of you. Don't think you have to bear this alone. You can cry about this to us anytime.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 11, 2019 07:48 PM (Wx/+I)

75 We have the meats!

Posted by: Arby-dales Revue at June 11, 2019 07:49 PM (RVcmP)

76 I should add that I am eating less turkey and more beef, particularly in patty form. Tastes better and cooks nicely.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 07:49 PM (cfSRQ)

77 Jane, I'm sorry.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 11, 2019 07:49 PM (qSCcj)

78
Ditching carbs may be the key to military success in America's future wars.

Wait, I thought gays and trannies were the key.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 11, 2019 07:50 PM (Wx/+I)

79 the military is entering a danger-filled world if

Stop and ponder that one for a moment, folks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 11, 2019 07:50 PM (CI1R7)

80 So are only male soldiers going to do this, or will women, too?
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 11, 2019 07:45 PM (Lwfjs)

Ha! Nice try. That's a trick question. There's no scientific proof behind the "biological sexes" theory.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 11, 2019 07:50 PM (t+qrx)

81 I watched a couple of Nina Teicholz's videos over the weekend. In one of them, she showed a chart indicating that every government food program follows the standard government nutritional guidelines. This includes food stamps (or whatever they call it now), WIC, ...and military rations.

I've heard that the military has been struggling with obesity in recent years. It's good to see that they're embracing state-of-the-art science.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (sdi6R)

82 Prayers for you Jane.

Posted by: Max Power at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (q177U)

83 Jane --

The Boy is Type 1, and I've never found any evidence to suggest that is reversible (by ketogenic diets).

Although long before it was cool, the Enigma (my oldest daughter) was on a medical ketogenic diet for five years and went from hundreds of seizures a day to none. You wanna talk overwhelming? Try measuring out GRAMS of carbs for your epileptic child: Get it wrong and watch her fall to the floor with grand mals.

Point is, it gets easier. And type 1 diet control is a bunch easier than a medical ketogenic diet. You'll have it down in no time.

That aside, The Boy can sometimes do low carb and ketosis, but you do have to be careful because you don't want to end up in ketoacidosis, and you no longer have a pancreas working to regulate insulin production.

Posted by: moviegique at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (oRIVo)

84 Sending more prayers your way, Jane.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (RBOtF)

85 Ace, I really hope you find the balance you are looking for.

You need a fucking cook to feed you.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (Sf7dd)

86 chique, there are literally thousands of keto recipes online. "Keto COnnect" has a bunch, "Headbanger's Kitchen" has a bunch (especially Indian -- he is indian himself).

Plus there are dozens of keto cookbooks for $20 or so.

I mean, there's a LOT.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (PbpT7)

87 *ponders can of methyl ethyl ketone in the garage*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (oLWxf)

88 Jane D'oh

Prayers ascending.

I had to repack the wheel bearings with new grease for your specific prayer wheel.

Hope you get some peace, a replacement funeral director, and grandchildren. In that order.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 11, 2019 07:52 PM (u82oZ)

89 >>>You need a fucking cook to feed you.

Nah I just need to get ahead in the queue with posts so I can take an hour to cook, like I did today.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:52 PM (PbpT7)

90

I thought the future of the military was drone operators in the basement?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2019 07:52 PM (aKsyK)

91 Did ace ever post how much weight he lost on this last fast?

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (RBOtF)

92 Related:

Ace, have you seen this? It's Bill Whittle's latest (6 min.):

"Defeating Tomophobia: The Future of America Depends on It."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFjyDYQS0Rw

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (1gZnw)

93 But U.S. defense officials say they lack the legal authorities to dictate to soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines what they can and cannot eat. Critics of the entire concept warn that the military is entering a danger-filled world if it begins ordering diets and drug protocols solely to build more lethal warriors.

Huh?

The military can't control the diet of its combat soldiers? That sounds totally ridiculous.

The military can, and does, control a whole shitload of things for combat soldiers. You almost can't have any decent combat soldiers if you don't.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (K1SGu)

94 I'm just lucky that I love vegetables and fruit. I need to stay on a low-sodium diet, but protein is a must.

Having low energy sucks. ...and having to cook dinners for my Parents that are high in carbohydrates (because they are waifs) is an interesting ordeal.

It is a challenge that I've accepted, so now I go to sites like "Food Network" and "Eat Dangerously" to see what manner of Wizardry I can concoct on a daily basis.

Low-sodium Chinese can be done and I much prefer it to Take-Out.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (Ckg4U)

95 59
Miracle noodles (shiratake noodles -- zero carb, and barely any calories
either) with a sauce of butter, italian seasoning, and liberal
sprinkling of parmesan gives you some good fat along with virtually no
protein and zero carbs.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:45 PM (PbpT7)

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Have you considered that part of the problem is your obsession with food?

I bet you put more thought into a single meal than I do into a month's worth of cooking. Without doing anything more complicated than skipping breakfast a few times and upping my workout routine I dropped a dozen pounds this spring. I decided that I'll push for a few more this week, but mostly all I'm doing is giving up snacks for a few days and making sure I get more exercise.

And I'm 29, so it's not like I'm a teenager and the pounds just fall off on their own.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (cfSRQ)

96 If you've noticed an uptick in articles on fasting and ketosis, it's Ace's way of acclimating us to the inevitable -- that we are going to be rounded up in the night and shipped off to Ace Island boot camp.

Carbs? Eat 'em if ya got 'em, because tomorrow the pain starts! And pain is just carbs leaving the body!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (kQs4Y)

97 Or, we could just hook all our soldiers on meth like the Nazis did.

D'ja ever wonder how they were able to kill 40 million people (about 25 million of them opposing soldiers) at the cost of only 6 million German soldiers killed?

Little Known True Fact (tm) is that rhe German army in World War 2 was the LEAST mechanized army of all of the major combatants. Yet they somehow managed to almost win.

Almost.

Meth.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (NoKAc)

98 >>>I've heard that the military has been struggling with obesity in recent years. It's good to see that they're embracing state-of-the-art science.

Infantry guys and guys in other work-all-day positions can probably eat as many carbs as the military feeds them, but guys with more sedentary jobs, office work or maintenance or driving or that sort of stuff, probably should not be eating a diet dense in carbs.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:54 PM (PbpT7)

99 but now I need something and this is the only post that's finished, apart from my end-of-day cats post.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (PbpT7)

Every guy should end their day with a little pussy.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 07:54 PM (AQKN8)

100 WTF? Of course the Military can dictate what you eat.

Especially when deployed. You think on a damn ship you have OPTIONS?

You get a couple of choices of Entrée... or you can eat Peanut butter and Jelly... at least you used to be able to.

They totally control what you eat.

Posted by: Don QQQ at June 11, 2019 07:54 PM (NgKpN)

101 I wonder. Is there Keto in my Cosmo?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2019 07:54 PM (axyOa)

102 I'm so late to all this and not asking for a ;engthy treatise in reply but how is this "new" keto" diet different from Atkins? I've lost weight a few times doing modified and and not even super strict Atkins over the years.

With Keto do you have to always be in a ketosis state?

Posted by: SamIam at June 11, 2019 07:55 PM (oasF3)

103 Huh?

The military can't control the diet of its combat soldiers? That sounds totally ridiculous.

The military can, and does, control a whole shitload of things for
combat soldiers. You almost can't have any decent combat soldiers if
you don't.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (K1SGu)

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I think they mean while the troops are on home station or in garrison.

Yes, they can feed them nothing but seaweed when they're out in the field - though the troops might start foraging on their own if the food is particularly awful.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 07:55 PM (cfSRQ)

104 Hang on, was that end-of-day cats post or end-of-days cats post?

The latter is a cats and dogs post. Scientifically.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 11, 2019 07:55 PM (ykYG2)

105 98 >>>I've heard that the military has been struggling with obesity in recent years. It's good to see that they're embracing state-of-the-art science.

Infantry guys and guys in other work-all-day positions can probably eat as many carbs as the military feeds them, but guys with more sedentary jobs, office work or maintenance or driving or that sort of stuff, probably should not be eating a diet dense in carbs.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:54 PM (PbpT7)

Smoking ban went in, obesity rates went way up.

Posted by: Don QQQ at June 11, 2019 07:55 PM (NgKpN)

106 If soldiers are overweight then the military just needs to up the training regimens. This ain't rocket surgery.

But I guess you can't up the physical requirements when you're busy getting rid of the physical requirements so you can say that women are passing the physical requirements.

The webs we weave ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (K1SGu)

107 >>>Have you considered that part of the problem is your obsession with food?

I'm so obsessed with food I didn't eat or drink any calories for 27 1/2 days. I just can't stop eating!

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (PbpT7)

108 I pretty much eat what I like and don't sleep much either so doubt it's that.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (BbGew)

109 Boy is this the wrong thread for me to be on. My diet from last eve to today has been Double Fudge Brownie ice cream and White Cheddar Cheezits.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (F7lRL)

110 That's what military leaders have been trying to do for thousands of years: have a less lethal army.

That's the ticket, worked for France everytime.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (r+sAi)

111 Ya know, I have met 40 + members of the Horde and there ain't a fatty in the bunch.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (Sf7dd)

112 but guys with more sedentary jobs, office work or maintenance or driving or that sort of stuff, probably should not be eating a diet dense in carbs.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:54 PM (PbpT7)

Who gives a shit about obese office workers in the military?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:57 PM (K1SGu)

113 D'ja ever wonder how they were able to kill 40 million people (about 25 million of them opposing soldiers) at the cost of only 6 million German soldiers killed?

Non.

Posted by: Vichy at June 11, 2019 07:57 PM (ykYG2)

114 I will admit to breaking down and shedding some tears this evening because of ALL THE THINGS I'm having to do this week in my regular life.

Posted by: Jane D'oh
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{brotherly hug}

Prayers. Try to just focus on whatever things that you can do. That sounds like a sort of lame platitude, but it's the right thing to do, for all concerned.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2019 07:58 PM (oLWxf)

115 Ya know who is gonna hate the meat eating diet. That's right, the global warmers.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 07:58 PM (r+sAi)

116 Does this personnel carrier make my butt look big?

Posted by: Cpl. Becky at June 11, 2019 07:58 PM (oVJmc)

117 I'm so obsessed with food I didn't eat or drink any calories for 27 1/2 days. I just can't stop eating!

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (PbpT7)

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That's actually very obsessive.

Scary obsessive.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 07:59 PM (cfSRQ)

118 Ya know who is gonna hate the meat eating diet. That's right, the global warmers.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 07:58 PM (r+sAi)

Well, the meat's not exactly thrilled about it either.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 11, 2019 07:59 PM (t+qrx)

119 I thought about crumbling the cheez its onto the ice cream, you know - like salty jimmies. That's right! I iz a gormay cooker.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 07:59 PM (F7lRL)

120 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (K1SGu)

Ran the Fat Boy program on my ship near the end of my Career.

Got my Captain to buy off on my plan. Changed it from working hours, to after working hours (as they were not meeting standards).

Then, they would do 100 pushups, 150 situps, and go 2.5 miles, after group calisthenics.

I did not care how long they took to do the 2.5 miles, they could walk it if they wanted, BUT they did not get to go home until they were done.

Actually had a much higher success rate then the program it replaced.

Posted by: Don QQQ at June 11, 2019 07:59 PM (NgKpN)

121 Boy is this the wrong thread for me to be on. My diet from last eve to today has been Double Fudge Brownie ice cream and White Cheddar Cheezits.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (F7lRL)

I had 2 Red Baron four cheese pizzas last night. I love those things.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:59 PM (K1SGu)

122 >>>I'm so late to all this and not asking for a ;engthy treatise in reply but how is this "new" keto" diet different from Atkins? I've lost weight a few times doing modified and and not even super strict Atkins over the years.

With Keto do you have to always be in a ketosis state?

...

It's not much different, though "Keto" is High Fat Low Carb (Moderate or Low Protein), whereas Atkins didn't really put any cap on protein, and actually tended to suggest meals with a lot of protein.

You don't always have to be in state of ketosis but that's when you're actually burning fat and lowering insulin level.

I overeat protein which actually does spike insulin (though not as much as carbs) so I often go out of ketosis after I eat. I'm having trouble with this "moderate to low protein" part of it.

Also, very few people will be in ketosis after any meal, for like an hour or whatever.

I mean, ideally you'd almost always be in ketosis, except post-meals, but it's not necessary. It's just good to be in it frequently. Most people who are not athletic or who don't work physically demanding jobs have probably not been in ketosis much outside of the last hour of sleep, since they were babies. (Babies are almost exclusively in ketosis for a while.)

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:00 PM (PbpT7)

123 Wait, I thought gays and trannies were the key.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 11, 2019 07:50 PM (Wx/+I)
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Lo-carb gays and trannies, though. Also, 5'4" skinny women who can roundhouse kick a guy 5 fee across the room like in the movies.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:00 PM (DuZls)

124 Or, we could just hook all our soldiers on meth like the Nazis did.

D'ja ever wonder how they were able to kill 40 million people (about 25 million of them opposing soldiers) at the cost of only 6 million German soldiers killed?

Little Known True Fact (tm) is that rhe German army in World War 2 was the LEAST mechanized army of all of the major combatants. Yet they somehow managed to almost win.

Almost.

Meth.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2019 07:53 PM (NoKAc)

Meth pills > keto pills

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:00 PM (GBteo)

125 Let me tell ya once again about American poutine.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 08:00 PM (r+sAi)

126 Ace, that's not the best rebuttal. Who thinks about pussy more, a guy getting snizz on the reg or the guy who hasn't been laid in a month?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:00 PM (FQj4d)

127 Who gives a shit about obese office workers in the military?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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*adds an interesting note to POP's 201 File*

Posted by: REMF at June 11, 2019 08:01 PM (LxqES)

128 But U.S. defense officials say they lack the legal authorities to dictate to soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines what they can and cannot eat.

Guess some beers would blow that diet all to hell.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 11, 2019 08:01 PM (WSVNe)

129 Y'all are making me very very hungry

Posted by: zeera with a new book, link in nic at June 11, 2019 08:01 PM (Yi5wO)

130 Who gives a shit about obese office workers in the military?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:57 PM (K1SGu)

Me? When on their duty days they are part of my Fire Fighting Repair Locker?

Posted by: Don QQQ at June 11, 2019 08:01 PM (NgKpN)

131 The Universal Soldier anyone?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2019 08:01 PM (+fRXf)

132 I think whatever Michael Phelps ate during training would be a good pattern to follow.

Posted by: Guam tipper at June 11, 2019 08:01 PM (FsgBK)

133 I did have Cheerios and milk for breakfast.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:02 PM (F7lRL)

134 Fish?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 11, 2019 07:40 PM (t+qrx)

Not a huge fan, except in sushi. Should have mentioned that.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 11, 2019 08:02 PM (9hauA)

135 Has Facebook banned the Pentagon's account yet?

Posted by: goodluckduck at June 11, 2019 08:02 PM (V8zw+)

136 Ya know, I have met 40 + members of the Horde and there ain't a fatty in the bunch.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (Sf7dd)

I see my annual plan for hiding behind the horse is working beautifully.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 08:02 PM (AQKN8)

137 Jane D'oh,

Sending up a prayer for you.

Posted by: Kegeshook at June 11, 2019 08:02 PM (pq5SX)

138 would join a Young Nastassja Kinski cult

Last time I tried to join a sex cult, they took a picture of the back of my head when they turned me away. I hear the photo makes part of the ritual now

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 08:02 PM (ykYG2)

139 106
If soldiers are overweight then the military just needs to up the training regimens. This ain't rocket surgery.

But I guess you can't up the physical requirements when you're busy
getting rid of the physical requirements so you can say that women are
passing the physical requirements.

The webs we weave ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (K1SGu)

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A big issue is stress. GIs overseas can't drink or screw, so they eat.

Comfort food is all they have, so they dig into it.

And when they get home, they're less active. So it is an issue.

For the first time ever, we have a military that can eat itself into obesity, so adjustments need to be made.

Part of the problem is that we're dealing with volunteers. Conscripts you could just feed them tasteless gruel and they'd stay skinny, but volunteers expect decent grub or they won't re-enlist. So we give them the best food we can, and they eat too much of it.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

140
Steve Rogers: A super soldier serum? Sure, why not.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (HPwbg)

141 I thought about crumbling the cheez its onto the ice cream, you know - like salty jimmies.
Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 07:59 PM (F7lRL)

Salty jimmies. Salty jimmies.

Salty.

Jimmies.

saltyjimmiessaltyjimmiessaltyjimmiessaltyjimmies

brb, can't breathe.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (t+qrx)

142 >>>The military can't control the diet of its combat soldiers? That sounds totally ridiculous.

It can, in a soft way. Most soldiers will eat in the mess and if the mess serves mostly low-carb stuff, that's what they'll eat. You don't have to put a gun to their head. Just serve ice cream with full fat heavy whipping cream and non-calorie sweetener. Suddenly their desert is keto, and no mandate was necessary.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (PbpT7)

143 Ive followed the horde through lchp, intermittent fasting, 5x5, citrulline BCAAs and keto, and have achieved life changer GAINZZZ.I

But month long fasts with water and three teaspoons of salt?

Deal me out.

Posted by: Regular joe at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (6/uwW)

144 I will admit to breaking down and shedding some tears this evening because of ALL THE THINGS I'm having to do this week in my regular life.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Damn Jane, sorry to hear that.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (AQKN8)

145 Reiterating from the willow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAs7_oYPxSQ

Posted by: Braenyard at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (WSVNe)

146 I did have Cheerios and milk for breakfast.
Posted by: kallisto
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It's blueberry season here. Bran flakes sprinkled with handful of same.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (KoKdw)

147 Okay, but how are you getting enough fiber to have a decent bowel movement? Every time I've done low carb, I've gotten constipated.

Posted by: Kensington at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (y87jW)

148 One of the things I like about keto is the fact it's strict. The parameters are clear. I find that easier than moderation in all things.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (qo/BZ)

149 Ya know who is gonna hate the meat eating diet. That's right, the global warmers.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 07:58 PM (r+sAi)
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On my paranoid side, as a student of history, I have often played with the idea that the discouragement toward red meat was a plot by greenie progressives to make us less like the meat-eating raiders who overran the grain-eating sedentary farmers all through pre-European history.

Throughout history meat has a high correlation with physical strength.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (DuZls)

150 Thanks very much for reply, Ace.

Also, guys, my mom starts chemo tomorrow for esophogeal. Any prayers including her can't hurt. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: SamIam at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (oasF3)

151 Michael Phelps ate like 10,000 calories a day. If he didn't swim 12 hours a day he would be a Sumo wrestler.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (r+sAi)

152 I think sugar is the devil.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (qo/BZ)

153 If soldiers are overweight then the military just needs to up the training regimens. This ain't rocket surgery.

But I guess you can't up the physical requirements when you're busy
getting rid of the physical requirements so you can say that women are
passing the physical requirements.

The webs we weave ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (K1SGu)

yeah, but you also can't outrun a fork.

It's much, much easier to lose weight by controlling intake then it is by exercising.

If you're eating / drinking a carb heavy 3000+ calorie a day diet, you're not going to lose (much) weight no matter how much time you spend on the elliptical.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (GBteo)

154 >>Little Known True Fact (tm) is that rhe German army in World War 2 was the LEAST mechanized army of all of the major combatants. Yet they somehow managed to almost win.

Also quite likely the most heavily carbed. My people like beer. A lot.

And don't even get me started on spätzle.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (/tuJf)

155 I just do, when I don't have pie or ice cream, do the 11 hours fast every day from 5:30 pm to 4:30am

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 08:05 PM (BbGew)

156 126 Ace, that's not the best rebuttal. Who thinks about pussy more, a guy getting snizz on the reg or the guy who hasn't been laid in a month?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:00 PM (FQj4d)
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Ace? *points*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 11, 2019 08:05 PM (kQs4Y)

157 But month long fasts with water and three teaspoons of salt?

Deal me out.
Posted by: Regular joe
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I follow a guy on YouTube who just finished a 150 day water fast. The Fasting Fat Man.

Posted by: Kegeshook at June 11, 2019 08:05 PM (pq5SX)

158 It can, in a soft way. Most soldiers will eat in the mess and if the mess serves mostly low-carb stuff, that's what they'll eat. You don't have to put a gun to their head. Just serve ice cream with full fat heavy whipping cream and non-calorie sweetener. Suddenly their desert is keto, and no mandate was necessary.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (PbpT7)

Only if Joe eats in the chow hall. Often times, he doesn't. This is actually an issue: facilities are underutilized. You'd have to kick all of the restaurants off of post and prevent soldiers from leaving post during the duty day.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (SgjGX)

159 Okay, but how are you getting enough fiber to have a decent bowel movement? Every time I've done low carb, I've gotten constipated.
Posted by: Kensington at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (y87jW)
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From my vantage point, I've always heard and read that greens are "free". Especially cruciform veggies like broccoli and cauliflower.

Eat mor broccoli.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (DuZls)

160 chique, there are literally thousands of keto recipes online. "Keto COnnect" has a bunch, "Headbanger's Kitchen" has a bunch (especially Indian -- he is indian himself).

Plus there are dozens of keto cookbooks for $20 or so.

I mean, there's a LOT.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 07:51 PM (PbpT7)

Thanks, Ace! I love Indian food.

I can probably also find Middle Eastern food, which I also love.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (9hauA)

161 On my paranoid side, as a student of history, I have often played with the idea that the discouragement toward red meat was a plot by greenie progressives to make us less like the meat-eating raiders who overran the grain-eating sedentary farmers all through pre-European history.

Throughout history meat has a high correlation with physical strength.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (DuZls)

Look at a group of Indian men. No muscle mass whatsoever. And most are vegetarians, or close to it, and none eat any red meat, so...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (GBteo)

162 You can't outrun a fork.

But you also can't diet a bicep.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (FQj4d)

163 On my paranoid side, as a student of history, I have often played with the idea that the discouragement toward red meat was a plot by greenie progressives to make us less like the meat-eating raiders who overran the grain-eating sedentary farmers all through pre-European history.

Throughout history meat has a high correlation with physical strength.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (DuZls)

Red Meat is a needed precursor for Testosterone.

What you see in history, is biological science playing out.

Posted by: Don QQQ at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (NgKpN)

164 Hoo boy I remember crankin' it up when I had to stay up late to get an assignment done. I'd do the artwork, finally crash. Then when I awoke the next morning I'd be stunned at what I drew. I couldn't have done similar un-methified.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (F7lRL)

165 So what is the main carb that everybody eats? The one that would make the nation less fat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (r+sAi)

166 The vastness of Russia proved the need for fully mechanized infantry as Soviet troops consistently slipped out of the Panzer imposed kessel before the horse drawn infantry caught up to seal the perimeter.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (+fRXf)

167 A.H. Lloyd - I always figured the most racist people in east Texas, when I was there, were of two types - they'd had a bad experience with the other race, or they were frustrated for a very very good experience.

You drop in some Kluxers into a New Black Panther meetup, I guarantee it ends in an orgy

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (ykYG2)

168 Since when can the military NOT dictate every facet of a soldiers life? Although its been awhile for me (1960's era USAF), they even rationed the toilet paper when I was in! Of course, it was basic training and a very controlled environment. If someone has a 'fitness for duty' issue, there should be nothing wrong with sequestering those people into a new environment. When you are in the military, you are not a civilian, therefore you have NO CIVIL RIGHTS!

Posted by: wayne at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (TKdwT)

169 127 Who gives a shit about obese office workers in the military?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

I mentioned upthread that the most immediate impact of ketosis for me is mentally and emotionally. I'm more focused and think more clearly.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (qo/BZ)

170 >Little Known True Fact (tm) is that rhe German army in World War
2 was the LEAST mechanized army of all of the major combatants. Yet
they somehow managed to almost win.

Also quite likely the most heavily carbed. My people like beer. A lot.

And don't even get me started on sptzle.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (/tuJf)
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Yeah, but they were whacked on speed the whole time. Bayer invented the stuff.

It certainly explains a lot of the atrocities - these guys were completely strung out and waiting for the next hit. Makes you wonder if the collapse was because the drug caravans weren't getting through.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (cfSRQ)

171 >>>Okay, but how are you getting enough fiber to have a decent bowel movement? Every time I've done low carb, I've gotten constipated.

well, there is sugar-free metamucil. I keep meaning to supplement with that but I forget a lot. I don't have a problem with constitpation, usually, BUT when people start these diets, the body is often a bit irregular in several ways, just because it's a change.

so try sugar-free metamucil, and, frankly, an extra cup of coffee.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (PbpT7)

172 Something low-carb you can eat?

ME!

Posted by: Don LeMon at June 11, 2019 08:08 PM (oVJmc)

173 Look, if ace can't keep up his resolution I'll do it for him.

In all this fasting he's forgotten what is truly important: snizz.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:08 PM (FQj4d)

174 149
On my paranoid side, as a student of history, I have often played with the idea that the discouragement toward red meat was a plot by greenie progressives to make us less like the meat-eating raiders who overran the grain-eating sedentary farmers all through pre-European history.

Throughout history meat has a high correlation with physical strength.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (DuZls)

I think you're exactly right. Also, regular meat eating was reserved for the nobility. The peasants got gruel.

It is transparently obvious what the Left is trying to pull.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

175 So what is the main carb that everybody eats? The one that would make the nation less fat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (r+sAi)
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The one thing I'll never consciously put into my body again: corn syrup.

It's garbage.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (DuZls)

176 159 Okay, but how are you getting enough fiber to have a decent bowel movement? Every time I've done low carb, I've gotten constipated.
Posted by: Kensington at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (y87jW)
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From my vantage point, I've always heard and read that greens are "free". Especially cruciform veggies like broccoli and cauliflower.

Eat mor broccoli.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (DuZls

Greens help a lot as do magnesium supplements.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (qo/BZ)

177 slipped out of the Panzer imposed kessel before the horse

It always confuses me that Kesselring was a guy because of the other meaning of Kessel.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (fuK7c)

178 But you also can't diet a bicep.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (FQj4d)

Truth, brother, truth.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (GBteo)

179 165 So what is the main carb that everybody eats? The one that would make the nation less fat.

Anything, everything wheat based I'm sure

Posted by: SamIam at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (oasF3)

180 162 You can't outrun a fork.

But you also can't diet a bicep.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:06 PM (FQj4d)

Oh , Hey soldier, do you live in Vermont?

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro Vermont at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (Jj+59)

181 Most vegetables are very low calorie relative to volume.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (mX8Vr)

182 *waves to Eris*

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (+fRXf)

183 >>>165 So what is the main carb that everybody eats? The one that would make the nation less fat.

sugar is the worst, and all of the things which are sugar which the government has permitted food companies to call things other than sugar (High fructose corn syrup, Agave syrup, honey, etc.)

But bread and pasta and potatoes are also bad. Not as bad as sugar, pound for pound, but people eat bread and pasta and potatoes as if they should make up one third or even half a meal.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (PbpT7)

184 The body is like a two stroke engine that needs both fuel and oil. In my experience the proper ratio of carbs to protein runs it the best. In 25 years of eating a zone diet I have suffered zero viral illnesses - and my athletic performance - for a man my age - is spectacular. Before I started eating that way I used to get the flu just like everyone else, and I was washed up athletically.

Posted by: An Observation at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (3E+cc)

185 It always confuses me that Kesselring was a guy because of the other meaning of Kessel.

I made the Kesselring in under 12 parsecs.

Posted by: Han Solo at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (oVJmc)

186
If you're eating / drinking a carb heavy 3000+ calorie a day diet, you're not going to lose (much) weight no matter how much time you spend on the elliptical.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:04 PM (GBteo)

Yep. The amount of exercise it takes to burn off two slices of bread is disheartening.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (9hauA)

187 >>Also, very few people will be in ketosis after any meal, for like an hour or whatever.

That's interesting. I got this keto tester from IndieGogo (KeyTo) a couple of weeks ago and noticed that when I broke a fast with a salad and a few croutons, I stayed at 5 (on a scale from one to seven) for a couple of hours, then bounced up to 4.

4 is supposed to be "light" ketosis, whereas 5 is more solid. (I have yet to get to 6 or 7. :-))

So far it seems pretty accurate. Takes me about 60 hours of fasting to get to 5, but once I'm there it seems to hang on pretty well.

This is breath testing, mind you. I don't know how that impacts things.

Posted by: moviegique at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (oRIVo)

188 And not to be confused with the Kessel Run...

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (+fRXf)

189 175 So what is the main carb that everybody eats? The one that would make the nation less fat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (r+sAi)
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The one thing I'll never consciously put into my body again: corn syrup.

It's garbage.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (DuZls)

Well, and Americans eat an unnecessary amount of bread. I did strict keto for 3 months, and have been much less strict since then, but one thing I realized was how I don't miss bread at all. Like even eating a sandwich now is like... filling but in a bad way. I'd rather just eat the guts of the sandwich and skip the bread.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (GBteo)

190 >>In all this fasting he's forgotten what is truly important: snizz.

3 Weeks of Snizz. Then a week of Fasting.

You'll lose weight.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (fDW6s)

191 Omar's upcoming defenses of her tax problem:
I am just a simple immigrant, you can't expect me to understand your complex tax laws

And

My marriages are how Muslim mairrages work. I can't be held accountable that they don't abide by your American standards, islamophobe.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (dNzKv)

192 so try sugar-free metamucil

Or psyllium husk. Pure fiber, no calories, no carbs, no chems. Just stuff that bulks up when it hits water (your insides are water) and scrubs things out.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (fuK7c)

193 168
Since when can the military NOT dictate every facet of a soldiers life?
Although its been awhile for me (1960's era USAF), they even rationed
the toilet paper when I was in! Of course, it was basic training and a
very controlled environment. If someone has a 'fitness for duty' issue,
there should be nothing wrong with sequestering those people into a new
environment. When you are in the military, you are not a civilian,
therefore you have NO CIVIL RIGHTS!

Posted by: wayne at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (TKdwT)

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That was before the All Volunteer Force.

And yes, there are fitness training units for fat enlistees, but it's simply not possible to recruit and retain people by treating them like conscripts.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)

194 146. I have blueberries in the fridge! Guess I'll eat them tomorrow to atone for the past two days.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (F7lRL)

195 >>>Greens help a lot as do magnesium supplements.

oh right!!! Yeah, and pickle juice. On my previous fast, I drank pickle juice to get some electolytes, and only realized later that it was a potent diuretic.

That'll clear out the pipes.

As will magnesium calcium potassium. But be careful -- don't have too much or you'll be voiding your bowels a lot more than you wanted.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (PbpT7)

196 Also reason 3

Racist.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2019 08:12 PM (dNzKv)

197 Four Buds a day. Nice. How many carbs in a Marlboro Red? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Ass Chum at June 11, 2019 08:12 PM (Jj+59)

198 But bread and pasta and potatoes are also bad. Not as bad as sugar, pound for pound, but people eat bread and pasta and potatoes as if they should make up one third or even half a meal.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (PbpT7)

I have not cut out carbs totally, but have cut way back on Bread, Pasta, and Potatoes.

I just don't eat as much of them when I do eat them, and cook them as often.

Posted by: Don QQQ at June 11, 2019 08:12 PM (NgKpN)

199 >>>3 Weeks of Snizz. Then a week of Fasting.

You'll lose weight.

...

I gotta drop the weight to get the snizz, brah.

Get Cut = Get Butt.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:12 PM (PbpT7)

200 kombucha relieves teh constipate

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:13 PM (F7lRL)

201
3 Weeks of Snizz. Then a week of Fasting.

You'll lose weight.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (fDW6s)

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An excellent source of aerobic exercise, but you need a partner otherwise the GAINZZ are confined to a single wrist.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:13 PM (cfSRQ)

202 Kid has a friend who couldn't graduate from West Point because he was too fat. Fat for all five years there.

Posted by: NCKate at June 11, 2019 08:13 PM (cWedi)

203 Smoking actually helps you to lose weight. Reduces appetite or something.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 08:13 PM (mX8Vr)

204 >>>Or psyllium husk.

right. Is that a pain in the ass to mix with water or is it just fine?

I forget. I have some, but haven't opened the bag yet. I had used it years ago.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:13 PM (PbpT7)

205
Unsympathetic managment defined. Bernard Montgomery took over command of 5th Corps after Dunkirk. In his words:

"I ordered that at every headquarters the whole staff, officers and men, would turn out on one afternoon each week and do a seven-mile run. This applied to everyone under forty, and there would be no exception; those who didn't want to run the whole course could walk and trot, but they must go round the whole course...

"I remember the case of a somewhat stout old colonel who went to the doctor and said that if he did the run it would kill him... I then said that if he was thinking of dying it would be better to do it now, as he could be replaced easily and smoothly; it is always a nuisance if officers die when the battle starts and things are inclined to be hectic. His state of health was clearly not very good, and I preferred him to do the run and die."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (Wx/+I)

206 Yep. The amount of exercise it takes to burn off two slices of bread is disheartening.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (9hauA)

And then there was my younger days when I worked outside all day from April through October doing physical labor. Didn't matter what I ate. Yes I was up through my early thirties doing that.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (o59NR)

207 Meth is a really good weight loss adjunct.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (dNzKv)

208 But bread and pasta and potatoes are also bad. Not as bad as sugar, pound for pound, but people eat bread and pasta and potatoes as if they should make up one third or even half a meal.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:10 PM (PbpT7)

Which is what the US govt food pyramid told everyone to do.

Coincidentally, people started getting super obese and getting diabetes like crazy after our school lunches, nutritional advice, serving advice on the back of packages, and everything else that follows government guidelines started being so carb heavy.

IIRC from school, we were taught to eat 8-10 servings of bread and pasta a day, 4-6 of vegetables, 4-6 of fruit, minimal meat, and at the verrry top was a small amount of sugar.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (GBteo)

209 >> Smoking actually helps you to lose weight.

I stopped smoking 8 days ago.

Gotta be careful, or I will put on some extra weight.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (fDW6s)

210 Meth is a really good weight loss adjunct.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (dNzKv)
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Ace is saving that for the cult.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:15 PM (DuZls)

211 >>Meth is a really good weight loss adjunct.

Teeth are incredibly dense.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:15 PM (fDW6s)

212 oh right!!! Yeah, and pickle juice. On my previous fast, I drank pickle juice to get some electolytes, and only realized later that it was a potent diuretic.

That'll clear out the pipes.

As will magnesium calcium potassium. But be careful -- don't have too much or you'll be voiding your bowels a lot more than you wanted.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (PbpT7)

Butter coffee and magnesium can be an interesting combination.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 11, 2019 08:15 PM (qo/BZ)

213 >>>203 Smoking actually helps you to lose weight. Reduces appetite or something.

temporarily. But then smoking reduces your ability to do anything remotely athletic, and actively discourages it.

And then you grow tolerant of the appetite-suppressing effect of nicotine and that goes away, so you wind up with a normal appetite and now not doing anything involving exercise.

Also, as a former smoker, i know you also get sicker a lot, and sickness tends to make you fat.

unless it's some kind of really bad flu.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:15 PM (PbpT7)

214 I can vouch for this.

Pure protein diet has me me more than lethal -- I'm fierce!

Posted by: Rod Stewart at June 11, 2019 08:16 PM (LWu6U)

215 Butter coffee
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What's Butter Coffee? Is it just grass-fed butter in coffee? Or do you also use MCT oil, like "Bulletproof"?

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:16 PM (DuZls)

216 Funny. I never get sick when I am smoking.

Maybe you weren't smoking enough?

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:16 PM (fDW6s)

217 111 Ya know, I have met 40 + members of the Horde and there ain't a fatty in the bunch.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 11, 2019 07:56 PM (Sf7dd)

That's because I haven't made it to a Texas MoMe yet....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 11, 2019 08:16 PM (SRRAx)

218 I have suffered zero viral illnesses - and my athletic performance - for a man my age - is spectacular.

Hey soldier, I'll be the judge of spectacular. Just stay on the I 91 to High Street, most evenings I'll be doing some Cabernet curls at the Holiday Inn Express. TTFN.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro Vermont at June 11, 2019 08:16 PM (Jj+59)

219 Kid has a friend who couldn't graduate from West Point because he was too fat. Fat for all five years there.
Posted by: NCKate at June 11, 2019 08:13 PM (cWedi)

The height/weight requirements are fucked up. I knew a lot of guys who weren't fat, but were considered so by the Army.

Personally, I think they should up the PT standards and care less about body composition. If you can meet the physical requirements, who cares about the rest?

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 11, 2019 08:17 PM (SgjGX)

220 right. Is that a pain in the ass to mix with water or is it just fine?

You just have to act fast. If you lolly gag after stirring it into the water it turns into oatmeal concrete. It concretes faster in warm water than cold, too.

Did you chug beers in college? I was a champion chugger.

Cold water, heaping tablespoon of psyllium (the package will say a teaspoon, that's for pussies), and a hearty chug as soon as the husks are in suspension.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:17 PM (fuK7c)

221 -
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kombucha relieves teh constipate

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:13 PM

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Parsley juice.

Posted by: Zombie Juiceman at June 11, 2019 08:17 PM (RVcmP)

222 I gotta drop the weight to get the snizz, brah.

Get Cut = Get Butt.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:12 PM (PbpT7)

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All about the attitude. I met my wife when I was a dough-bodied office worker, but I did have a bit of the swagger.

Then I went to Army Basic and when I got back it was like that scene in Captain America when the guy gets out of the tank.

Focus on building muscle, not on looking like an extra from "300."

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)

223 Interesting. I eat terribly (loads of carbs and sugar. I made M&M cookies this weekend and have eaten 10 of them so far) and don't typically gain weight. I wonder why.

I will say that I've been eating a lot less and exercising a lot more for the last six months or so. No significant changes (down 1-2 lb), but it has been easier to maintain the same weight.

(I do have a theory, actually - I think my body is less efficient than others'. Like, for a given bolus of food, it extracts less nutrients and produces more waste (shit) than someone else's. This would explain why I don't gain weight and am always cold. I'm not sure whether I shit more than other people, though. Don't particularly want to test that.)

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 11, 2019 08:17 PM (rWZ8Y)

224 If you give zero care to your diet and just lift like an animal, you probably won't get an amazing physique. More likely you'll look like Brian Shaw - dude can lift a small planet but he has a serious lifters gut.

But there's also basically no way to get a "WWE physique" without doing the Big 3 - diet, exercise, and steroids.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:17 PM (FQj4d)

225 Sounds like if we get rid of Iowa we'll do alright.
The honey does surprise me though. I always thought ye olde bee barf had some good benefits.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 08:17 PM (r+sAi)

226 What's Butter Coffee? Is it just grass-fed butter in coffee? Or do you also use MCT oil, like "Bulletproof"?
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:16 PM (

I don't follow the correct Bulletproof recipe. I just blend butter and MCT oil with coffee.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 11, 2019 08:18 PM (qo/BZ)

227 ace, go to Sam's Club and get fiber caps. Just psyllium husks in cap form. We take about six of them each every day.

Tonight I made spaghetti squash "pasta" and we each ate two small meatballs. I roasted broccoli with a bit of olive oil and squeezed some lemon juice over it.

I found these Udi breakfast "sandwiches" in the freezer aisle at our Publix. The "bread" is cauliflower, and the sandwich is egg, cheese and bacon. My husband loves that he can nuke it for a quick breakfast before hurrying out the door around 6:30 a.m. Total carbs are 6 gm, 16 gm protein, gluten free and grain free. One sandwich is 240 calories.

Two hours later when he tests his blood glucose, it's normal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 08:18 PM (ptqGC)

228 I stopped smoking 8 days ago.

Gotta be careful, or I will put on some extra weight.
Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (fDW6s)

Congrats on 8 days.

Quit for 7 months, then started juuling occasionally, and have been back to smoking a cig or two when drinking lately. Oh, and juuling a lot.

So... as a former former smoker, I know how hard those first few weeks are.

Then it gets stupid easy for a while. Just don't slip up like I did haha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:18 PM (GBteo)

229 I like food too much to restrict any food group. I've done every kind of fast and at one point got so skinny people thought I had AIDS. For me exercise is what knocks off the poundage when I'm eating a lot. Everybody does their thing.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:18 PM (F7lRL)

230 keto NXIVM,

that's a horrifying, yet oddly fascinating, thought.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2019 08:19 PM (V2Yro)

231 "Also, as a former smoker, i know you also get sicker a lot, and sickness tends to make you fat."

Check the sugar content of over-the-counter meds. Especially cough drops.

Heck, just check the sugar content of condiments.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 11, 2019 08:19 PM (o59NR)

232 It's easy to outrun a fork. I mean, the thing just sits there.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 08:19 PM (NWiLs)

233 Thanks Harry.

Been wanting to get back on the Mountain Bike. I can't really ride as much as I like to when I am smoking.

So. Out with the cigarettes for a while.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:19 PM (fDW6s)

234 I thought metamucil was basically flavored psyllium husk.

Posted by: irright at June 11, 2019 08:20 PM (RVcmP)

235 I saw one guy doing this and thought it was funny (and posted it last thread) but apparently it's a thing, the GitUp Challenge.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3BEGd49_Fas

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2019 08:20 PM (+y/Ru)

236 garrett - good for you, hope your feeling better already

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 08:20 PM (BbGew)

237 >>> Interesting. I eat terribly (loads of carbs and sugar. I made M&M cookies this weekend and have eaten 10 of them so far) and don't typically gain weight. I wonder why.

some people just don't have a problem with carbs. For other people, they have dysregulation of digestion of carbs.

Some of this is racial. American Indians, for example, are notoriously carb sensitive, which is why so many got obese after they were put on the government rations, high in carbohydrate.

There's an interesting story of the Pima indians, who were thin and muscular when they hunted and ate mostly meat. Then the government put them on a reservation and cut them off from any possible farming, and made up for that by giving the government rations, mostly rice and stuff.

They got hugely obese.

There are pictures of before and after of typical Pima indians in Taubes' book. (Also, it is generally acknowledged that Amerindians are just carb-sensitive.)

This is happening in a lot of places in the world where people are adapting what is called the Western Diet. Some are okay with it, but most become very unhealthy and obese.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:21 PM (PbpT7)

238 "cut them off from any possible HUNTING," i meant re: Pima indians.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:21 PM (PbpT7)

239 I had to cancel a meeting with a personal trainer last week because of husband's sudden hospital stay.

I'm rescheduling for next week when I'm done with this latest funeral reception.

Praying all the old people stay healthy and alive longer. Otherwise, I'm going to be next.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 08:21 PM (ptqGC)

240 I don't follow the correct Bulletproof recipe. I just blend butter and MCT oil with coffee.
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 11, 2019 08:18 PM (qo/BZ)

I just drink my coffee black. One of the first things I did when I first wanted to lose weight (pre-keto diet) was ditch the cream and sugar. I've tried bulletproof coffee, and like... I don't know, once you're used to black coffee everything else doesn't taste as good. And I really enjoy my morning coffee.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:22 PM (GBteo)

241 221. Parsley juice actually sounds good, maybe with some apple.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:22 PM (F7lRL)

242
Meth is a really good weight loss adjunct.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Some of that weight loss is teeth.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2019 08:22 PM (aKsyK)

243 >>>234 I thought metamucil was basically flavored psyllium husk.

I think it mostly is but I guess natural and unprocessed is better.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:22 PM (PbpT7)

244 From a former tobaccy chewer, let me tell you, you eat a lot less. And its not because of the nicotine... Its because you turn down food. Not saying people should do this, just saying you eat less.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 08:22 PM (r+sAi)

245 Part of the problem is that we're dealing with volunteers. Conscripts you could just feed them tasteless gruel and they'd stay skinny, but volunteers expect decent grub or they won't re-enlist. So we give them the best food we can, and they eat too much of it.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

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Reenlisting because of the...food?

LOLOLOLOL!!!

Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (RU4sa)

246 208
IIRC from school, we were taught to eat 8-10 servings of bread and pasta a day, 4-6 of vegetables, 4-6 of fruit, minimal meat, and at the verrry top was a small amount of sugar.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:14 PM (GBteo)

In my opinion, their whole definition of "serving" was totally fucked up and relates to nothing that normal people think of. Who the hell eats 8-10 "servings" of anything in the course of a day?

On my dinner plate, I have one serving of meat, one serving of potatoes, one serving of vegetables, etc. I think that's how people normally understand the term. Telling them to eat "8-10 servings" is demanding that they overeat.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (sdi6R)

247 >>>I just drink my coffee black. One of the first things I did when I first wanted to lose weight (pre-keto diet) was ditch the cream and sugar. I've tried bulletproof coffee, and like... I don't know, once you're used to black coffee everything else doesn't taste as good. And I really enjoy my morning coffee.

I don't really love black coffee but now when I have it with cream, I don't love it that way. I used to love cream in coffee, now I'm "eh."

Once you get used to black, you will only occasionally go back.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (PbpT7)

248 Heck, just check the sugar content of condiments.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 11, 2019 08:19 PM (o59NR)

Yeah, I also (easily) cut out all condiments from my diet except hot sauce and real mustard.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (GBteo)

249 I'm telling you, the first company that invents a zero carb flour that has the texture and taste of actual flour, will make a mint.

I've made ersatz bread with shredded Parmesan, almond flour, eggs, baking powder, salt, and butter but it just doesn't taste quite right. Texture is pretty much spot on though.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (3ufaJ)

250 My biggest aversion to Keto is no beer.

I like beer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (pUDQf)

251 It's easy to outrun a fork. I mean, the thing just sits there.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 08:19 PM (NWiLs)
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In the road.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (DuZls)

252 My biggest aversion to Keto is no beer.

I like beer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (pUDQf)
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Was a hard one for me, too.

But I adjusted.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:24 PM (DuZls)

253 Yeah, I went back in after 12 years and reenlisted twice...because of the food.

I done miss those MREs.

/s

Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2019 08:24 PM (RU4sa)

254 A serving is pretty tiny as nutritional boxes go.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 08:24 PM (mX8Vr)

255 >>So. Out with the cigarettes for a while.

If you can toss them for a while then don't ever pick them up again. Yea, I'm being a nagging dick.

Trust me.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 08:25 PM (/tuJf)

256 >>Once you get used to black, you will only occasionally go back.

This is not how my Grandma desribed it.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:25 PM (fDW6s)

257 36 Any suggestions for someone who doesn't really like meat?
posted by: chique d'afrique at June 11, 2019 07:39 PM (9hauA)

That's me, chique. I've been on reduced carbs for a couple of years now (was strict for the first 6 months and lost about 35 lbs, now I hover around 60-100 carbs a day and maintain my weight).

I get really tired of meat. And, I don't like eggs at all. I eat a lot of almonds. Blue Diamond Smokehouse almonds are the bomb.

Almonds, cheeses, salads--these are my mainstays. If I ever get tired of nuts, I'll fail at this for sure.

Posted by: April at June 11, 2019 08:25 PM (OX9vb)

258 I don't really love black coffee but now when I have it with cream, I don't love it that way. I used to love cream in coffee, now I'm "eh."

Once you get used to black, you will only occasionally go back.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (PbpT7)

Well, my big aha moment was switching from maxwell house or whatever was on sale to the good, hipster, free range, cruelty free, free trade, cage free coffee.

I was like "ooh, shit the mass produced cheap coffee tastes nothing like real coffee. No wonder I always had to add shit to it to think it tasted good."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:25 PM (GBteo)

259 I'm part Cherokee...but it's a small part. The rest is quite a hodgepodge. I don't know. I do try to keep up with the cardio though. Makes it easier to adjust when I go to Denver for work (I have spent 99.99% of my life at 30' above sea level).

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (rWZ8Y)

260 This is happening in a lot of places in the world
where people are adapting what is called the Western Diet. Some are okay
with it, but most become very unhealthy and obese.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:21 PM (PbpT7)

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It could also be the gluten.

I know people make fun of this, but my wife had a terrible time for years, gained weight, stomach pain, etc. and my eldest (who's a bit of a foodie) said "Try going gluten free."

So she did, the weight came off, she's healthier and more active, doesn't have to take three kinds of pills to fight various intestinal issues, etc.

Europeans have a high tolerance for wheat gluten. Amerindians do not. So they can't break it down and it makes them swell up.

As someone of Franco-German extraction, I can eat bread like a champ (mmm, pumpernickel with tuna salad...uhhhhhh), but it is carbs, so I limit it.

I try to buy only the best breads so that I enjoy it more and east less ('cause it's pricey as hell).

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (cfSRQ)

261 I have no problem with more lethal warriors, myself.
Posted by: bluebell

'Course not .

You ARE one !

Posted by: JT at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (oIxaO)

262 >>I was like "ooh, shit the mass produced cheap coffee tastes nothing like real coffee. No wonder I always had to add shit to it to think it tasted good."

Doma : Carmella's Blend

Perfect Coffee.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (fDW6s)

263 There's an interesting thing that happened starting the mid 1850s -- the poor used to have all of their teeth, and generally be thin and have low incidences of diabetes, etc., while the RICH tended to lose many teeth and be obese and have a lot of diabetes.

It's thought that's because only the rich could afford sugar (which used to be expensive) and fancy breads, etc. (Also, excessive calories.)

Anyway, once sugar and highly processed white bread (with barely any fiber) were cheap and affordable by the poor, the poor started losing teeth and getting obese.

Now the situation is reversed, as the rich tend follow better diets, and the poor eat what the rich used to.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (PbpT7)

264 I'm not doing any strict dieting or fasting but I have reduced the carbs and increased fats and protein, and doing regular exercise including moderate strength training. My weight hasn't changed but my face is leaner and I've gone down a belt notch already.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (NWiLs)

265 Flying Forks of Feasting

Good movie title?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (+fRXf)

266 Yeah, I also (easily) cut out all condiments from my diet except hot sauce and real mustard.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (GBteo)
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It's lucky for me that I love mustard, so.

Always have.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:26 PM (DuZls)

267 That's not a decompression. THIS is a decompression!
https://twitter.com/41Strange/status/
1137852409194008577

Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2019 08:27 PM (Dh1wo)

268 Sumatra coffee is good black.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 08:27 PM (ykYG2)

269 My biggest aversion to Keto is no beer.

I like beer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (pUDQf)

Michelob Ultra. Better than nothing.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 08:27 PM (AQKN8)

270 I really love eggs but I can only eat so many in a single day.
Posted by: chique d'afrique

Can you eat fifty eggs ?

Posted by: JT at June 11, 2019 08:28 PM (oIxaO)

271
Europeans have a high tolerance for wheat gluten. Amerindians do not. So they can't break it down and it makes them swell up.

My betters tell me this is just a social construct.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 11, 2019 08:28 PM (Wx/+I)

272 250 My biggest aversion to Keto is no beer.

I like beer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (pUDQf)

yeah, drinking was how I kind of fell off the diet.

it's hard to socialize without drinking, and I just don't like the "kind of keto friendly" drinks like tequila with seltzer. They taste gross, get me wayyyy too drunk, and leave me with a horrible hang over.

So I compromised and started drinking miller lite.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:28 PM (GBteo)

273 Eat the way our hunter/gatherers did for a million and a half years:

Handful of nuts and or berries or fruit every couple hours in small amounts all through the day, and meat when you can, and lots of water.

The day humans figured out how to ferment grains into alcohol and to raise milk cows was the day we got lazy and fat as a species.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2019 08:28 PM (NoKAc)

274 Kid had to pay for 3 mres each day he was at Polk. That's like 72,000,000 calories per day

Posted by: NCKate at June 11, 2019 08:28 PM (cWedi)

275 -
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My biggest aversion to Keto is no beer.

I like beer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM

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This fact is the bane of my existence.

Posted by: irright at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (RVcmP)

276 >>Michelob Ultra. Better than nothing.

No, it's really not.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (/tuJf)

277 I get the whole war on carbs, but I'm not a big fan of Keto, especially in mil world.

You want to say it's useful in certain cases, I'm completely with you. You want to say it should be ubiquitous, I'm gone.

Certain carbohydrates play an important role depending on your type of activity and environment. You eliminate them in those situations, you die. Period.

I

Posted by: Marcus T at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (VkWRL)

278 Yeah, I also (easily) cut out all condiments from my diet except hot sauce and real mustard.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (GBteo)

Horseradish is available. I make the oil-and-vinegar salad dressing from a recipe. I found a sugar-free ketchup, G. Hughes; and Stubb's Orifginal is a low sugar BBQ sauce.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (o59NR)

279 >>>Europeans have a high tolerance for wheat gluten. Amerindians do not. So they can't break it down and it makes them swell up.

they might also be sensitive to gluten but "swelling up" does not result in visible rolls of hanging fat on the belly, chest, and thighs.

It just puffs out your abdomen.

google pima indians, you'll see what I mean.

This is a pattern happening everywhere. The Western Diet, or Standard American Diet (SAD), is just not a healthy one.

The Mexicans displaced Americans as the most obese country on earth a couple of years ago.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (PbpT7)

280 Reenlisting because of the...food?

LOLOLOLOL!!!

Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2019 08:23 PM (RU4sa)

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No. Getting out because the food sucks. It becomes yet another reason to separate.

My point was you can't treat volunteers like conscripts. I don't think this is a controversial statement.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (cfSRQ)

281 I have a couple of questions about ketosis.

1. Do diabetics go into ketosis? We used to have an engineer with diabetes, and sometimes his breath smelled like alcohol (he wasn't a drinker).

2. Does it make your shit smell sweet? Ketones smell sweet, so this isn't a joke question. Do the ketones make it to your turds?

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (Z4rgH)

282 No, it's really not.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (/tuJf

Might as well drink water.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (pUDQf)

283 I was doing keto until someone here led me to carnivore diet. I think it was votermom. Carnivore has basically put my rheumatoid arthritis in remission. It's awesome.

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne, lurking since 2007 at June 11, 2019 08:30 PM (xU7mE)

284 The day humans figured out how to ferment grains into alcohol

was the day we became fully human. Before that we were trapped in the stupid confines of our biological minds and trapped with all the bad thoughts that come from faulty wiring.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:30 PM (fuK7c)

285 >>google pima indians, you'll see what I mean.

The Pima also grew Corn. Shittlily. But they did rely on it.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:30 PM (fDW6s)

286 Michelob Ultra. Better than nothing.

No, it's really not.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (/tuJf)

Well, when it's that or be sober while restricting carbs......

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 08:30 PM (AQKN8)

287
"The day humans figured out how to ~~ferment grains into alcohol and to~~ raise milk cows and make ice cream was the day we got lazy and fat as a species."

Fixed

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 11, 2019 08:31 PM (Wx/+I)

288 273

The day humans figured out how to ferment grains into alcohol and to raise milk cows was the day we got lazy and fat as a species.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2019 08:28 PM (NoKAc)

But like it or not, that marked the beginning of civilization.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 08:31 PM (sdi6R)

289 SEALs only eat bacon, steak, and sushi (ITYKWIM), they are keto.

Posted by: Jean at June 11, 2019 08:31 PM (25Dt7)

290 Regarding condiments: Does anybody use mayonnaise?

It comes regularly with 0 carbs.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (DuZls)

291 Horseradish is available. I make the oil-and-vinegar salad dressing from a recipe. I found a sugar-free ketchup, G. Hughes; and Stubb's Orifginal is a low sugar BBQ sauce.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (o59NR)

I'll do oil and vinegar occasionally, but I've kind of gotten used to eating salad dry at this point. It took some adjusting to go from a half ranch dressing / half lettuce mix to dry salads, but... eh.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (GBteo)

292 Keto can't be any good for you since I was assured by a (very nice) poster in the ONT yesterday that my cardiologist was full of shit recommending Keto for me.

Never mind my 45+ lbs weight loss and all the beneys Ace and others mentioned. Oh, my afib is gone too. It must be in my head.

I don't IF as long or as often as Ace but I do it. I only eat once a day and I'm not hungry in between that one meal.

I think Ladyl put it best: You have to do whatever you have to remain healthy.

If Keto does it for me, well there you go.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (Y4EXg)

293 My wife makes bread that my guess is is only 1/2 the whole wheat flour if that usually gets. The other 1/2 is all kinds of health food stuff like flax seed.
Personally I can only eat a little, I like bread with all its yummy goodness.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (BbGew)

294 No. Getting out because the food sucks. It becomes yet another reason to separate.

My point was you can't treat volunteers like conscripts. I don't think this is a controversial statement.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (cfSRQ)

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Fair 'nuff.

Getting out because the food sucks? I would think there would be more important reasons to get out, like, pay, being at home more, etc.

Never thought food would be a reason.

As for me, I got tired of the deployments.

Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2019 08:33 PM (RU4sa)

295 290 Regarding condiments: Does anybody use mayonnaise?

It comes regularly with 0 carbs.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (DuZls)

Nah. I seriously only use mustard and hot sauce. That's all that's in my fridge right now and has been for the last year.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:33 PM (GBteo)

296 Real mayonnaise (you can make it yourself) is egg yolk, vegetable oil, and vinegar. No carbs.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:33 PM (fuK7c)

297 >>>Certain carbohydrates play an important role depending on your type of activity and environment. You eliminate them in those situations, you die. Period.

yet I'm alive after 27 1/2 days of no calories at all (obviously no carbohydrates).

There is no such thing as an "essential carbohydrate." There are essential fats and essential amino acids -- stuff the body can't make itself and will die without - but the body can manufacture glucose (what carbs turn into in the blood stream before becoming more fat) as needed.

90% of the body's metabolism can run off ketones, which are made from dietary (ingested) fat as well as stored fat in the body. The 10% of required glucose can be made from protein (ingested, or from the body) as needed.

You're just wrong. The body doesn't "need" carbohydrates for energy. Both protein and fat are readily made by the body into energy.

Carbs can be useful, because they get into the blood fast, and so could be useful if taken an hour before a race or a powerlifting meet -- or just if you want extra energy for workout -- but they're not necessary to anyone's daily life.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:33 PM (PbpT7)

298 I think a lot of people who think they are gluten intolerant are really just healthier with fewer carbs.

Most gluten comes with a lot of carbs. Cut gluten and you are halfway there.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at June 11, 2019 08:34 PM (LWu6U)

299 Beer more than any other thing made settling down and living in a town a better deal than wandering around the hills and valleys, eating whatever you could catch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2019 08:34 PM (V2Yro)

300 >>Carbs can be useful, because they get into the blood fast, and so could be useful if taken an hour before a race or a powerlifting meet -- or just if you want extra energy for workout -- but they're not necessary to anyone's daily life.

Try feeding my father a meal without Pasta AND Bread!

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:34 PM (fDW6s)

301 I don't like fad diets. Someone once told me about the Paleo Diet. I said, "you see any cavemen walking around?"

Exactly.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 11, 2019 08:35 PM (VkWRL)

302 Or Barney Kessel.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 11, 2019 08:35 PM (WSVNe)

303 302 Or Barney Kessel.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 11, 2019 08:35 PM (WSVNe)

For whom the Kessel Run is named.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 08:35 PM (NWiLs)

304 You lucky fuckers with functioning immune systems can fuck around with these fad diets. Me? Notsomuch. My body not only doesn't produce insulin, but it doesn't make glucose either - which means I need a certain amount of carbs in order to function.

My lesbian sister in law however is on keto and having lost a shitload of weight - now has a coronary heart issue due to high cholesterol. I don't think she was doing keto the right way - when eating steak for example, she would eat mostly the fat/gristle and leave the actual protein alone.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 11, 2019 08:36 PM (kI/3T)

305 I don't IF as long or as often as Ace but I do it. I only eat once a day and I'm not hungry in between that one meal.

I think Ladyl put it best: You have to do whatever you have to remain healthy.

If Keto does it for me, well there you go.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (Y4EXg)

Dude, that's the other thing -- once you get used to eating only one or two meals a day, it feels really weird and abnormal to wake up and eat food.

I went out to brunch with some friends and literally couldn't finish a small omelette.

I think we've trained ourselves to eat such a fucked up / abnormal diet in the western world, and it's only when you step away from it for a while that you realize how unhealthy it is.

You eat a carb heavy breakfast (cereal, or toast, or whatever), and it makes total sense that you're tired and starving by noon, where you eat a burger with french fries, crash at like 2pm, make it home and eat spaghetti, then go to sleep at 9pm.

Your insulin levels are so fucked all day ... of course you feel tired and lethargic all the time.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:36 PM (GBteo)

306 'For whom the Kessel Run is named.'

Is he the guy that died at the finish line?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 08:36 PM (UdKB7)

307 they might also be sensitive to gluten but "swelling
up" does not result in visible rolls of hanging fat on the belly,
chest, and thighs.

It just puffs out your abdomen.

google pima indians, you'll see what I mean.

This is a pattern happening everywhere. The Western Diet, or Standard American Diet (SAD), is just not a healthy one.

The Mexicans displaced Americans as the most obese country on earth a couple of years ago.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:29 PM (PbpT7)

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No, it becomes fat because they can't break it down. I'm told that flour tortillas are (for cultural reasons) considered superior to corn ones.

Amerindians can break down corn though, but not flour. So they pile on weight because it's not something they possess the enzymes to properly digest.

Add in all the sugars, and you get an even worse problem.

But the wheat gluten (which was added to almost everything to "fortify" it) is also a problem. Even soups have it added to thicken the broth.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:36 PM (cfSRQ)

308 7 My husband was just diagnosed yesterday with Type 1 diabetes. It was shocking to us and his doctor because it's something children and young people get. My husband is Get Off My Lawn old and I'm 2 1/2 years older.

We were doing Keto, and the doctor said, "Don't even think about that now."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (ptqGC)

Jane, look into Hanna Boethius. She's managed her
Type I with keto and has for a long time. She's one of the most knowledgeable people in the community on the subject.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 08:36 PM (SGw4W)

309 >>>eto can't be any good for you since I was assured by a (very nice) poster in the ONT yesterday that my cardiologist was full of shit recommending Keto for me.

my cardiologist recommends it to all his overweight patients and even has a weight management program in his office that's all about keto/low carb. I was in that program for a year.

His preference is specifically paleo, but whatever. Same church, different pew.

I had gone to a cardiologist when I was smoking and way, way overweight and thought I was having heart attacks. (I wasn't -- it was twitches in my intercostal (rib) muscles.)

Anyway. Most younger doctors know the stuff the government has been preaching is completely wrong, at least for people with carb sensitivity.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:37 PM (PbpT7)

310 -
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Regarding condiments: Does anybody use mayonnaise?

It comes regularly with 0 carbs.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (DuZls)

Nah. I seriously only use mustard and hot sauce. That's all that's in my fridge right now and has been for the last year.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:33 PM

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I like mayo and mustard on a no-bread Nathans hotdog.

Posted by: irright at June 11, 2019 08:37 PM (RVcmP)

311 DNC is at it again: http://tinyurl.com/y3ppqx8z

They are *really* trying to take the old white hetero male out.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:37 PM (DuZls)

312 I don't need a diet, I could use a few pounds really.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 08:37 PM (BbGew)

313 >>Well, when it's that or be sober while restricting carbs......

I get the carb hate but there is just no way I'm giving up real beer. Yea, I get that it is costing me the podium in the most ripped 29 1/2 year old but I will just have to live with the shame.

There are some things that life isn't worth living without.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 08:37 PM (/tuJf)

314 another good snack is moon cheese or cello whisps, both available at costco for a fair price. Mostly fat, well, with some protein.

I tend to overindulge on these.

And they're too expensive to just nom nom nom on.

but they're a good thing to have in the cabinet.

Posted by: ace

Did you build the cabinet ?

Posted by: JT at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (oIxaO)

315 >>>Amerindians can break down corn though, but not flour. So they pile on weight because it's not something they possess the enzymes to properly digest.

how do you gain weight from food you are unable to digest?

Can I gain weight from eating grass?

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (PbpT7)

316 "Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:33 PM (PbpT7)"

We'll have to disagree for now.

I don't completely disagree with what you're saying. But I guarantee if I took you for a combat patrol in Kunar Province on that diet, we'd be medevacing you out or carrying your ass.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (VkWRL)

317 2. Does it make your shit smell sweet? Ketones smell sweet, so this isn't a joke question. Do the ketones make it to your turds?
Posted by: GnuBreed

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No, I only had very sweet smelling breath for a day when I started out. (6 months ago).

BMs are, for me, very less frequent - 3- 4 a week and it really isn't much nor am I constipated. My wife, also on Keto since her rheumatologist and neurologists at Cleveland Clinic recommends it for her, is different. BMs daily.

Great, I'm talking doody on AoS.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (Y4EXg)

318 Is he the guy that died at the finish line?

That was Phidippides. But he didn't run just the 26.2 miles from Marathon. Research has shown that he ran non-stop for about 140 miles over a couple of days running messages back and forth.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (fuK7c)

319 Ace,
Jeff Volek, mentioned in the article, is an absolute expert in Keto nutrition. He wrote a great book here with another expert Dr. Phinney https://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Performance/dp/0983490716

Nice presentation here

https://youtu.be/tC_qBC1EEvw

Posted by: Irwin at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (cqzSE)

320 292 Keto can't be any good for you since I was assured by a (very nice) poster in the ONT yesterday that my cardiologist was full of shit recommending Keto for me.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:32 PM (Y4EXg)

If you have a cardiologist who recommends Keto, he's worth his weight in gold.

From what I've read, most of them would rather just prescribe statins.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (sdi6R)

321 >>Can I gain weight from eating grass?

It's not the grass. It's the sugar in the brownies.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:39 PM (fDW6s)

322 315 >>>Amerindians can break down corn though, but not flour. So they pile on weight because it's not something they possess the enzymes to properly digest.

how do you gain weight from food you are unable to digest?

Can I gain weight from eating grass?
Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (PbpT7)

Maybe it just stays in your intestines forever.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 08:39 PM (mX8Vr)

323 295
290 Regarding condiments: Does anybody use mayonnaise?

Sometimes.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 11, 2019 08:39 PM (o59NR)

324 Well, when it's that or be sober while restricting carbs......

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 08:30 PM (AQKN

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Drink the liquor straight, or with ice.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

325 Ketone esters...

********

...on the half shell. Mmm-mm!

Posted by: Muldoon at June 11, 2019 08:40 PM (mvenn)

326 No, it becomes fat because they can't break it down. I'm told that flour tortillas are (for cultural reasons) considered superior to corn ones."

If you say "because they taste a whole lot better" is a "cultural" reason, then yeah, I guess so.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2019 08:40 PM (V2Yro)

327 It's not the grass. It's the sugar in the brownies.
Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2019 08:39 PM (fDW6s)

dammit, beat me to it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:40 PM (GBteo)

328 Somebody has to be regulating the usage of this stuff.

The Ketone Kops?

Posted by: Muldoon at June 11, 2019 08:41 PM (mvenn)

329 With Most States Under One Party's Control, America Grows More Divided
https://tinyurl.com/y2n8eask

It was Alabama's abortion measure, the strictest in the nation, that sparked the most contentious debate of any legislation this session.

During debates in the Legislature, Rolanda Hollis, a Democratic member of the House of Representatives, read a poem to colleagues called "If My Vagina Was a Gun" that she said illustrated Alabama's consistent protection of Second Amendment rights but not abortion rights.

Bobby Singleton, a Senate Democrat, told his Republican colleagues that they had "aborted" and "raped" Alabama by supporting the legislation, which was approved generally along party lines.

Posted by: David "King Cuck" French at June 11, 2019 08:41 PM (jY1B4)

330 We were doing Keto, and the doctor said, "Don't even think about that now."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2019 07:35 PM (ptqGC)

Type 1 here for ... shit... uhhh... 34 years now? Damn I'm getting old.

My endo says the same thing. We Type 1's need a certain amount of carbs.

Best of luck to you and your husband. I highly recommend two medical devices which have revolutionized my life as a T1D.

Omnipod insulin delivery system (wireless/tubeless insulin pump) and
Dexcom G6 CGMS. See your blood sugar instantly on your phone or smartwatch. No need to calibrate with fingersticks either.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 11, 2019 08:41 PM (kI/3T)

331 324 Well, when it's that or be sober while restricting carbs......

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 08:30 PM (AQKN

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Drink the liquor straight, or with ice.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

My keto nut friends drink tequila with seltzer and lime juice.

It's not the most horrific drink ever (I wouldn't say it's good though) and it's supposedly the least carby way to get drunk haha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:42 PM (GBteo)

332 BMs are, for me, very less frequent - 3- 4 a week and it really isn't much nor am I constipated. My wife, also on Keto since her rheumatologist and neurologists at Cleveland Clinic recommends it for her, is different. BMs daily.

Great, I'm talking doody on AoS.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (Y4EXg)

And I'm thinking "hey, it's like I'm a kid again at Grampa and Gramma's house in Sun City, listening to them talk to all their 75 year old friends."

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2019 08:42 PM (V2Yro)

333 I still think if they cut out the corn sweeteners in everything it would make everyone a little better.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 08:42 PM (BbGew)

334 >>>98 I think a lot of people who think they are gluten intolerant are really just healthier with fewer carbs.

Most gluten comes with a lot of carbs. Cut gluten and you are halfway there.

...

I don't know about that, but gluten sensitivity and the full version, Celliac disease, are definitely real. They understand the biological pathway to the problem. (The gluten protein (it is a protein) can slip through the lining of the small intestine in many people and then get into tissues where undigested food is not supposed to be -- where it is recognized, correctly, a foreign intruder and attacked by antibodies producing inflammation and many symptoms of being sick.)

As a friend with gluten sensitivity, "Sure, I can have a slice of pizza, if I want to sit on the toilet with the shits all night."

Obviously cutting wheat or carbs would stop the problem, but in my friend's case, he's always been lean/thin and really doesn't need to cut out all carbs.

Gluten-free is enough for him.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:42 PM (PbpT7)

335 'Maybe it just stays in your intestines forever.'

Goes straight to the belly. Flour turns them into Pillsbury doughboys.

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 08:42 PM (UdKB7)

336 333 I still think if they cut out the corn sweeteners in everything it would make everyone a little better.
Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2019 08:42 PM (BbGew)

Yeah, but then what would we do with all of that corn we're subsidizing like crazy?

We need to put it in our gasoline and almost every imaginable food item on the planet because Iowa is the first caucus.

Duh.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:43 PM (GBteo)

337 Keto shit on a Keto shingle.

Posted by: Dave (in MA) at June 11, 2019 08:44 PM (LLrNN)

338
Tucker was talking to Lila Rose about Pinterest banning Live Action. The employee who told her about it got fired from Pinterest. Commies got to commie.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2019 08:44 PM (3aOik)

339
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 11, 2019 08:44 PM (oBNyr)

340 how do you gain weight from food you are unable to digest?

Can I gain weight from eating grass?

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:38 PM (PbpT7)

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I said they could not process it properly. That means excretion. So it just accumulates and gets stored.
BTW, what happens when you eat something but can't get a feeling of fullness from it because it isn't digesting properly?

Well, you eat more. This is the whole thing with carbs vs fat, right?

So it's like that, only more so.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:44 PM (cfSRQ)

341
That was Phidippides. But he didn't run just the 26.2 miles from Marathon. Research has shown that he ran non-stop for about 140 miles over a couple of days running messages back and forth.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

He had a 140.0 sticker on his car window.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2019 08:44 PM (aKsyK)

342 Tucker was talking to Lila Rose about Pinterest banning Live Action. The employee who told her about it got fired from Pinterest. Commies got to commie.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2019 08:44 PM (3aOik)
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Hillary's fun camps, next.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:45 PM (DuZls)

343 Can't we just pay Iowa corn farmers a few billion to NOT grow the fucking stuff?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:45 PM (ytZdZ)

344 189 I'd rather just eat the guts of the sandwich and skip the bread.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:11 PM (GBteo)

I don't care about sandwiches at all. But a good baguette slathered with butter....sigh.

The tragedy of keto allowing lots of butter is that you can't eat much of whatever butter is good on.

Posted by: April at June 11, 2019 08:45 PM (OX9vb)

345 Ace,

What is the best keto website you'd recommend for newbies? Diet particulars, shopping lists, maybe recipes.

There are so many websites out there...

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:45 PM (pUDQf)

346 They're worried about the danger?

I went into the Army fat and left it, four years later after eating what they feed me, left the Army fat. That doesn't sound too healthy to me.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 11, 2019 08:46 PM (BJKQV)

347 "how do you gain weight from food you are unable to digest?"

It's a version of what they call "inflammatory obesity." It's one of the two outward signs of celiac disease -- either you're concentration camp skinny, or you're Nero Wolfe.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 11, 2019 08:46 PM (gCRM2)

348 Your friendly reminder that high fructose corn syrup was recommended by Your Government and the various "health organizations" being paid off by industry lobbying groups as a healthy alternative to sugar.

Spoiler alert: It's just sugar with 55% fructose/45% glucose, instead of 50/50, as in sugar.

And by the way: Fructose is actually worse than glucose, because the liver has to work hard to process it.

And it can't be turned into blood sugar. It's turned right into fat.

Your government and your establishment at work.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:46 PM (PbpT7)

349 My keto nut friends drink tequila with seltzer and lime juice.

It's not the most horrific drink ever (I wouldn't say it's good
though) and it's supposedly the least carby way to get drunk haha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:42 PM (GBteo)

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Rum and Diet Coke for the win!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:46 PM (cfSRQ)

350 Can't we just pay Iowa corn farmers a few billion to NOT grow the fucking stuff?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:45 PM (ytZdZ)
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Show them a marathon session of Field of Dreams, to get them in the mood to plow under their corn fields.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:46 PM (DuZls)

351 I still drink - gin, whiskey, vodka and some hard seltzers. Low carb enough for me.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:47 PM (Y4EXg)

352 336
We need to put it in our gasoline and almost every imaginable food item on the planet because Iowa is the first caucus.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:43 PM (GBteo)

Which part of the Constitution requires that Iowa and New Hampshire go first every year? I mean, do the governors of those states have blackmail on the leaders of the RNC and DNC?

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 08:47 PM (sdi6R)

353 Sure it makes you a better fighter, but can it make it easier to hang shelves?

Posted by: Garbone at June 11, 2019 08:47 PM (5iFlS)

354 Isn't the rule of thumb, light booze is less sugary than dark booze?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:47 PM (ytZdZ)

355 >>>
What is the best keto website you'd recommend for newbies? Diet particulars, shopping lists, maybe recipes.

maybe Keto Connect? They have lots of recipes and do a lot of live chats. They've been doing it for years, and do this an occupation, so they know a lot.

They're also personable. It's a couple, Matt and Mega. (Mega is an Indian girl's name, not a description of her or anything.)

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:47 PM (PbpT7)

356 Rum and Diet Coke for the win!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:46 PM (cfSRQ)

My go-to as a Type 1 diabetic who needs to watch my carb intake.

Unfortunately my favorite drink is a Pusser's Painkiller which is basically fruit juice, more fruit juice, rum, fruit juice and nutmeg.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 11, 2019 08:48 PM (kI/3T)

357 Gracias, el Jeffe.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:48 PM (pUDQf)

358 "My keto nut friends drink tequila with seltzer and lime juice."

Tequila and Diet Mountain Dew works, as well.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 11, 2019 08:48 PM (gCRM2)

359 Canada pays dairy farmers to not produce milk. Seems like we should do the same with corn. Grandfather it in so that nobody suddenly becomes a corn farmer to get the checks. And eventually the bullshit with corn, Iowa and politics goes away.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (ytZdZ)

360 I like this Georgia professor on Tucker.
Liberal students want him fired because he's against illegal immigration.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (RBOtF)

361 Your friendly reminder that high fructose corn syrup was recommended by Your Government and the various "health organizations" being paid off by industry lobbying groups as a healthy alternative to sugar.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:46 PM (PbpT7)
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Worst things about it is that it is 20x sweeter than sugar. So your candida party(!) and thrive. But the worst thing about it is that your body regulates when you think you've had enough sweet, and HFCS is immune to that regulator.

You can *always* crave more HFCS. Your candida will thank you.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (DuZls)

362 Also, most sugary drink you can make IIRC is the Stark and Dormy.

Ginger beer is full to the ass with sugar.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (kI/3T)

363 What is the best keto website you'd recommend for newbies? Diet particulars, shopping lists, maybe recipes.

There are so many websites out there...
Posted by: AlaBAMA

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My Dr. recommended Dr. Annette Boswells book. She also has a presence on FB and YuTOOB.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (Y4EXg)

364 Rum and Diet Coke for the win!

Isn't the shit they put in it to "diet" it worse than sugar?

*sips vodka on rocks*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (fuK7c)

365 I like this Georgia professor on Tucker.
Liberal students want him fired because he's against illegal immigration.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (RBOtF)
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He is not of the body.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (DuZls)

366 I like this Georgia professor on Tucker.

Liberal students want him fired because he's against illegal immigration.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (RBOtF)

Yeah, he's good

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2019 08:50 PM (3aOik)

367 I'm skeptical of the whole thing (sorry Ace). It's not that hard to eat well. Eat unprocessed foods, limit sweets, and exercise. All the rest, IMHO, is just fad diet shit that long term doesn't work.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:50 PM (ytZdZ)

368 Drink the liquor straight, or with ice.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

Never been much of a liquor person.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 11, 2019 08:50 PM (AQKN8)

369 Which part of the Constitution requires that Iowa and New Hampshire go first every year? I mean, do the governors of those states have blackmail on the leaders of the RNC and DNC?
Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 08:47 PM (sdi6R)

I don't know if it's in our constitution, but in NH, we have a law or something that says we have to be the first primary state.

So if anyone tried to change their date to be before ours, we'd have to change ours as well.

IDK, it's silly. But NH loves the attention we get every 4 years (sort of. It's a love / hate thing.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:50 PM (GBteo)

370 also, Jason Fung and his assistant Megan Ramos do a lot of chats and have a lot of content on Intensive Dietary Management. Jason Fung is the doctor specializing in type 2 diabetes who reverses a lot of case of Type 2 Diabetes with a combination of keto and some fasting.

Fasting isn't really necessary unless you're specifically trying to reverse type 2 diabetes, though it can help if you think you have metabolic syndrome, which is a sort of pre-diabetes that many, many people have. I probably had it myself, when my resting insulin was pretty high. Now it's normal/lowish.

But anyway, Fung has three books out, the lastest one on fasting, diet, and longevity. "The Obesity Code" is a very newbie-friendly book that explains what all this talk of insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome is.

The Keto Connect people have a cookbook and also hundreds of recipes on their site, both in text and in YouTube videos.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (PbpT7)

371 Which part of the keto makes you super preachy? Is it the pork rinds as breading?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (FQj4d)

372 Isn't the shit they put in it to "diet" it worse than sugar?

*sips vodka on rocks*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (fuK7c)

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Who knows, I know that I gained weight when I tried other stuff.

At the moment, I'm gin on the rocks. New Amsterdam. Maybe some Beefeater when I get back from the walk.

Ace - read Man of Destiny, you'll love it!

'Night everyone.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (cfSRQ)

373 **What is the best keto website you'd recommend for newbies? Diet particulars, shopping lists, maybe recipes.**

Ahem.

Ketovangelist Kitchen dot com

Possibly run by a long time lurking moronette. Said moronette may have lost 80 lb on keto and kept it off for four years. And can also really cook. And has meal plans. Possibly.

Also, Ketovangelist dot com might have awesome info on how it all works. And a start here tab alongside the top menu.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (SGw4W)

374 Isn't the shit they put in it to "diet" it worse than sugar?

*sips vodka on rocks*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (fuK7c)

From a blood sugar perspective no. I can drink a can of diet coke and my blood sugar will do nothing. I drink a can of coke and I'm hitting up my insulin pump's bolus button pretty dang quick.

Other effects I have no idea. Supposedly they say that it makes you hungrier. Or was it less hungry? I can't remember/don't care.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (kI/3T)

375 >>>Tequila and Diet Mountain Dew works, as well.

interesting hack, I may try that.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:52 PM (PbpT7)

376 I don't care about sandwiches at all. But a good baguette slathered with butter....sigh.

The tragedy of keto allowing lots of butter is that you can't eat much of whatever butter is good on.
Posted by: April at June 11, 2019 08:45 PM (OX9vb)

Slices of bread slathered thick with butter and a drizzle of honey. *drools*

I have to wait until Saturday for that.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 11, 2019 08:52 PM (SgjGX)

377 Irish with an ice cube.

Howdy y'all!!

Have we taken over Alaska yet?

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 11, 2019 08:52 PM (PkVlr)

378 Oh, and when traveling and I can't cook for myself, it's still easy to do Keto.

Wendy's for example. How hard is it to say "double bacon cheeseburger and lose the bun?"

No fries tho' and that is a pity.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:52 PM (Y4EXg)

379 Worst things about it is that it is 20x sweeter than sugar. So your candida party(!) and thrive. But the worst thing about it is that your body regulates when you think you've had enough sweet, and HFCS is immune to that regulator.

You can *always* crave more HFCS. Your candida will thank you.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:49 PM (DuZls)

I don't know what it is, but I can barely finish a 12 ounce soda with real sugar in it, while I could definitely chug back several cans of soda with HFCS no problem.

of course, I was never a big soda person and have maybe had 2 glasses of soda in the past year or so, so i could just be misremembering this.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:53 PM (GBteo)

380 But NH loves the attention we get every 4 years (sort of. It's a love / hate thing.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:50 PM (GBteo)

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Like all things....its about the money. Every 4 years NH and Iowa get sbazillions of dollars infused into the states by the circus that comes to town. Think how much money is spent by the campaigns on TV ad buys, hotels, restaurants, gas, etc. Nobody gives a fuck about being first, it's about being first in line for the $1B spent every election cycle.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:53 PM (ytZdZ)

381 371 Which part of the keto makes you super preachy? Is it the pork rinds as breading?
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (FQj4d)

Whatever it is, they got it from the Crossfit cult and its equally as annoying.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 11, 2019 08:53 PM (kI/3T)

382 Which part of the keto makes you super preachy? Is it the pork rinds as breading?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (FQj4d)
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Bacon.

It's life-changing.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:54 PM (DuZls)

383 382 Which part of the keto makes you super preachy? Is it the pork rinds as breading?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (FQj4d)
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Bacon.

It's life-changing.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:54 PM (DuZls)

+1

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 08:55 PM (SGw4W)

384 Ahem.

Ketovangelist Kitchen dot com

Possibly run by a long time lurking moronette. Said moronette may have lost 80 lb on keto and kept it off for four years. And can also really cook. And has meal plans. Possibly.

Also, Ketovangelist dot com might have awesome info on how it all works. And a start here tab alongside the top menu.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 08:51 PM (SGw4W)

Hmmm... I'm inclined to trust a moronette's advice.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:55 PM (pUDQf)

385 of course, I was never a big soda person and have maybe had 2 glasses of soda in the past year or so, so i could just be misremembering this.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:53 PM (GBteo)
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Soda was huge for me, and mainly with HFCS. But now, I can't stand the sweet.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:55 PM (DuZls)

386 Like all things....its about the money. Every 4 years NH and Iowa get sbazillions of dollars infused into the states by the circus that comes to town. Think how much money is spent by the campaigns on TV ad buys, hotels, restaurants, gas, etc. Nobody gives a fuck about being first, it's about being first in line for the $1B spent every election cycle.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:53 PM (ytZdZ)

That, plus, we get issues we care about (see: drug crisis & lack of a VA hospital in NH, MOAR CORN SUBSIDIES in Iowa) talked about by all the candidates trying to pander to us.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:55 PM (GBteo)

387 >>>No fries tho' and that is a pity.

I used to miss fries. Eventually, a lot of the missing of such food goes away.

Some of it stays. It depends on the person which comfort food you continue wanting.

There are recipes for zucchini fries. I never made them, because I'm skeptical they're like fries and I don't really miss fries, but if you really miss fries, maybe try those.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:56 PM (PbpT7)

388 Every 4 years NH and Iowa get sbazillions of dollars infused into the states by the circus that comes to town.

Yeah, but New Hampshire doesn't insist that we put lobster in our gasoline or build all public monuments out of granite.

Also, Iowa is a flat state. Never trust a state without topography. The women are slatterns and the men pick pockets.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:56 PM (fuK7c)

389 Splain me this - If Jews runs the world, and bacon is delicious, why did we ban ourselves from eating bacon?

Mind. Blown.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:56 PM (FQj4d)

390 But like it or not, that marked the beginning of civilization.

Posted by: rickl

True.

What's a little heart disease and a spare tire when you can work during the day, get drunk and chase the ladies all night and maybe compose some bad poetry and think about building something more substantial than a new pair of sandals?

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2019 08:56 PM (NoKAc)

391 I do like the idea of autophagy discussed on the other thread.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 08:56 PM (F7lRL)

392 Lobster gas, lol. Don't give them any ideas.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 08:57 PM (ytZdZ)

393 And lo, the unbeliever will be put out into the darkness, where there is no Bacon.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:57 PM (DuZls)

394 This would explain why I don't gain weight and am always cold. I'm not sure whether I shit more than other people, though. Don't particularly want to test that.)
Posted by: Mrs. Peel

You could enter a contest !

Posted by: JT at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (oIxaO)

395 Yeah, but New Hampshire doesn't insist that we put lobster in our gasoline or build all public monuments out of granite.

Also, Iowa is a flat state. Never trust a state without topography. The women are slatterns and the men pick pockets.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 11, 2019 08:56 PM (fuK7c)

Shit, those are both good ideas.

We need to get a candidate to pledge that if he becomes president, all federally funded buildings pr monuments will have to use NH granite and none of that goddamned VT marble if they wish to use any stone at all.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (GBteo)

396 Maryland requires one teaspoon of Old Bay per gallon of gas.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (FQj4d)

397 Ace, don't do zucchini fries. That's a recipe for a soggy mess. The general consensus seems to be that daikon radish works best as a potato stand in when you need something solid or don't like cauliflower. Jicama will hold up when deep fried, but that is a root that simply will not soften no matter how long you fry or boil it. I've seen recipes for turnip and rutabaga fries, too, but like I said, most folks tend to settle on daikon radish.

Personally, much as I ate the hell out of fries in my high carb days, I really don't miss them. I just eat a lot of bacon. It seems to solve a lot of food nostalgia problems.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (SGw4W)

398 You could enter a contest !

Posted by: JT at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (oIxaO)
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I don't think it would turn into a pissing contest....

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (DuZls)

399 >>>I don't care about sandwiches at all. But a good baguette slathered with butter....sigh.

The tragedy of keto allowing lots of butter is that you can't eat much of whatever butter is good on.

...

netrition.com sells a lot of low-carb (well, low-ish carb) breads, including low-carb bagels. Not bagettes, but... something.

They also sell low-carb pancake mix. And, if you don't want to buy that, there are a lot of recipes for low-carb pancake and waffle recipes online.

(Most involve subbing a mix of almond flour and coconut flour for real flour. Those are low-ish in carbs.)

I keep meaning to make those. With bacon, obviously. and low-carb syrup.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (PbpT7)

400 The good thing about bacon is you can wrap it around so many meats.

Bacon wrapped shrimp, yo!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:59 PM (pUDQf)

401 Ketovangelist Kitchen dot com

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Nice site!

And, why yes, I DO say that to all the girls.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:59 PM (Y4EXg)

402 he good thing about bacon is you can wrap it around so many meats.

Bacon wrapped shrimp, yo!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 08:59 PM (pUDQf)
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Bacon-wrapped cheese too.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 09:00 PM (DuZls)

403 Fried cheese is pretty good, too. Like a halloumi. Just pan fry chunks of it in some lard or bacon grease or avocado oil (if you're skittish about animal fat) until it's golden.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 09:00 PM (SGw4W)

404 A lot of these discussions come down to quality vs. quantity of life. If somebody knew when they were going to meet the great breadmaker in the sky then all the choices would be different.

I am going to stick with the moderation program, although I can clearly see that many people feel a better quality on keto. If my health changes, I'd give it a try, but I do like pie.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 09:01 PM (r+sAi)

405 oh, the low carb bread company at netrition is "The Great Low-Carb Bread Company."

It's... eh, kind of bland, doesn't really give you the feels that bread does.

There are a lot of simple bread hacks online. Most involve almost flour, then melting mozzarella cheese and cream cheese to provide the bulk of the 'bread" (both are pretty tasteless and disappear as far as taste), an egg, and some baking powder to give it a bit of a lift.

I haven't done that but John Ekdhal has and he says they work. He complains about the time it takes to melt the mozzarella and cream cheese on the stove. I said, 'They all say to microwave it for 30 seconds." But for some reason he avoids the microwave.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 09:01 PM (PbpT7)

406 Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 08:59 PM (Y4EXg)

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 09:01 PM (SGw4W)

407 Beer more than any other thing made settling down and living in a town a better deal than wandering around the hills and valleys, eating whatever you could catch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2019 08:34 PM (V2Yro)

Beer and wine are also safe to drink as opposed to stream water. Infectious organisms are killed off. I imagine that drove consumption as well, drinkers didn't get sick as often.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2019 09:02 PM (Z4rgH)

408 -
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The good thing about bacon is you can wrap it around so many meats.

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Ha. Kevin straight.

Posted by: Kevin Bacon, standing in for Alex Karras for some reason. at June 11, 2019 09:03 PM (RVcmP)

409 24 hour fast with a keto diet might be a real weight loss winner.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:04 PM (pUDQf)

410 Tom Fitton on Hannity -new documents about targeting Trump after the election.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 09:04 PM (RBOtF)

411 24 hour fast with a keto diet might be a real weight loss winner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

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Bingo!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 09:06 PM (Y4EXg)

412 Tom Fitton says Jonathan Winer also had a Dossier

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 11, 2019 09:06 PM (BqBId)

413 Damn Carb Nazis. Was Keto a "summer camp" somewhere in Poland?

Posted by: Quilp at June 11, 2019 09:06 PM (Bf3hj)

414 Posted by: AlaBAMA

Absolutely. The combo of keto and a solid intermittent fasting routine tends to work wonders for a lot of folks.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 09:07 PM (SGw4W)

415 404. I am not giving up my cherry pie, nope.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 09:07 PM (F7lRL)

416 you die when your number is up

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 11, 2019 09:07 PM (BqBId)

417 GnuBreed : the old Neolithic towns (the first towns) have turned up a lot of roundworm in the civilians' turds. The first farmers were VERY unhealthy.

Small wonder that when beer was discovered - cereal in the old world, maize in the new world - the locals made it a god.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 09:08 PM (ykYG2)

418 does Hedgehog Hannity think that the Stephen Boyd letter to The Penguin Nadler is Breaking news??????????

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 11, 2019 09:08 PM (BqBId)

419 I am kinda tired (have been for about a year and a half) of all the new discoveries about the Dem coup and entrapment attempt, because we all know what happened. But without prosecutions, it means nothing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 09:08 PM (r+sAi)

420 Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 09:07 PM (SGw4W

She of the fabulous hair! Your hubs is a lucky man!

Great site! I will check out those podcasts.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:09 PM (pUDQf)

421 407
Beer and wine are also safe to drink as opposed to stream water. Infectious organisms are killed off. I imagine that drove consumption as well, drinkers didn't get sick as often.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2019 09:02 PM (Z4rgH)

Fermentation was the earliest form of water purification.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 09:09 PM (sdi6R)

422 not giving up my cherry pie
preach
youtube.com/watch?v=OjyZKfdwlng

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 09:09 PM (ykYG2)

423
I do like the idea of autophagy discussed on the other thread.
Posted by: kallisto

Subaru?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2019 09:09 PM (aKsyK)

424 I miss pancakes, spaghetti and mashed potatoes.

Mashed cauliflower is OK, I've got a recipe for pancakes using a different flour but Mrs Hades doesn't like coconut so that's out, but nothing...and I do mean NOTHING...replaces spaghetti.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 11, 2019 09:10 PM (T8A10)

425 -
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you die when your number is up

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 11, 2019 09:07 PM

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Heh. Whatevs.

Posted by: The Endless RBG at June 11, 2019 09:10 PM (RVcmP)

426 you die when your number is up
Which would piss me off if I was on keto.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 09:10 PM (r+sAi)

427 Has Hannity taken a breath yet?

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 09:10 PM (DuZls)

428 I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:11 PM (UdKB7)

429 pentagon ponders not fighting to win, concentrates on fashion and social justice bullshit. no safe places in war, just a heads up.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 11, 2019 09:11 PM (KP5rU)

430 -
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Fermentation was the earliest form of water purification.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 09:09 PM

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False.

Posted by: Pee Drinkers at June 11, 2019 09:12 PM (RVcmP)

431 When I was in my health nut phase we heard testimonies of people whose cancer went into remission due to fasting.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 09:12 PM (F7lRL)

432 netrition.com sells a lot of low-carb (well, low-ish carb) breads, including low-carb bagels. Not bagettes, but... something.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:58 PM (PbpT7)

I've made about 15 kinds of bread substitutes ( I really hate coconut), and have decided I'm better off just having the bread once in a while.

The rye-pumpernickel swirl bread at the Kroger bakery claims to be 15 or 16 grams of carbs per 2 oz serving, as opposed to the 20-30 for regular bread. So, I have summa that sometimes, toasted and soaked in butter. Or, with butter and cream cheese. That's pretty good, too.

Posted by: April at June 11, 2019 09:13 PM (OX9vb)

433 171 >>>Okay, but how are you getting enough fiber to have a decent bowel movement? Every time I've done low carb, I've gotten constipated.

well, there is sugar-free metamucil. I keep meaning to supplement with that but I forget a lot. I don't have a problem with constitpation, usually, BUT when people start these diets, the body is often a bit irregular in several ways, just because it's a change.

so try sugar-free metamucil, and, frankly, an extra cup of coffee.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2019 08:07 PM (PbpT7)

Whatever you do, don't trust a fasting fart. I speak from experience.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at June 11, 2019 09:14 PM (3ufaJ)

434 Bandersnatch

The hills of Iowa:
https://tinyurl.com/y565rooe

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 11, 2019 09:14 PM (u82oZ)

435 431 When I was in my health nut phase we heard testimonies of people whose cancer went into remission due to fasting.
Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 09:12 PM (F7lRL)

Given how cancer works that doesn't sound implausible. If true, I imagine it's extremely hit or miss and relatively rare(the body deciding the consumption to turn off to be the cancer).

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 09:14 PM (mX8Vr)

436 -
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I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:11 PM

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A good round of colchicine will let you shit that gout out in a couple days. Then your anus will hurt instead of your toe.

Posted by: irright at June 11, 2019 09:16 PM (RVcmP)

437 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 11, 2019 09:10 PM (T8A10)

Have you tried Miracle noodles? They're a bit fussy to prepare (you really so have to watch their video and do it how they recommend), but my hubby and kids really like them. It's all so old hat to me at this point that I will eat my spaghetti sauce over the zucchini spirals or the spaghetti squash, but I usually fix some miracle noodles for the rest of the fam and they eat it up. My kids will eat them with just butter and salt and pepper, like they used to eat wheat noodles.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 09:16 PM (SGw4W)

438 Pinterest blocks Gateway Pundit-
Lists- nudity and hate speech.

https://tinyurl.com/yy4kqhfm

Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2019 09:17 PM (RBOtF)

439 Which level of keto lets me expel my thetans?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 09:17 PM (FQj4d)

440 I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?
Posted by: freaked

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You DRANK it!!?

You're suppose to soak your toes in it.

jk - I understand it will take about 2 days to see improvement.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 09:17 PM (Y4EXg)

441 'Then your anus will hurt instead of your toe.'

Gout butt?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:17 PM (UdKB7)

442 >>Tom Fitton on Hannity -new documents about targeting Trump after the election.

You don't say.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 09:17 PM (/tuJf)

443 407

Beer and wine are also safe to drink as opposed to stream water.
Infectious organisms are killed off. I imagine that drove consumption as
well, drinkers didn't get sick as often.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2019 09:02 PM (Z4rgH)

Fermentation was the earliest form of water purification.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 09:09 PM (sdi6R)

They had to boil the wort to make beer,that killed off the bugs. Wine making doesn't really involve water per se other than the water from the grapes themselves. I think fermentation in an of itself does not necessarily kill off bacteria. In fact, lots of stuff can go wrong with wine fermentation and then you end up with vinegar. It won't kill ya, but it aint wine.

Posted by: Quint at June 11, 2019 09:18 PM (n13/j)

444 "You're suppose to soak your toes in it"

Heck I'd mainline it if it would help. I'll give it another day, or this toe's gotta go.

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:19 PM (UdKB7)

445 I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?
Posted by: freaked
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From the 'net:

A 2011 study noted that 100 percent tart cherry juice significantly reduced the level of serum uric acid levels in participants who drank 8 ounces of the juice every day for four weeks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2019 09:20 PM (KoKdw)

446 -
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'Then your anus will hurt instead of your toe.'

Gout butt?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:17 PM

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Nah. Just from the runs and tp.

Posted by: irright at June 11, 2019 09:20 PM (RVcmP)

447 **Okay, but how are you getting enough fiber to have a decent bowel movement? Every time I've done low carb, I've gotten constipated.**

So, from my experience, fiber doesn't really play into it. I know that's contrary to a lot of standard advice. But I eat mostly meat and fat and some minor bits of vegetables, and do not have any issues. In fact, I went full on carnivore, so only animal products, for a solid month about two years ago and had zero problems.

I suspect that when people have constipation on keto, it's most frequently due to an electrolyte imbalance. Taking a good quality elemental magnesium and making sure to salt their food properly tends to clear it up for most folks I've encountered.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 11, 2019 09:20 PM (SGw4W)

448 When I was in my health nut phase we heard testimonies of people whose cancer went into remission due to fasting.
Posted by: kallisto

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Again, check out Dr. Annette Bosworth's book. Her mother was dying from cancer. That's how the Dr discovered the low carb lifestyle. For her mother - great improvement.

Who is to say it fixed her mom, but to reject the lifestyle out of hand doesn't make sense either.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 09:20 PM (Y4EXg)

449 This diet has been around for diabetics since the 19th Century. It works.

Posted by: Locke Common at June 11, 2019 09:21 PM (l0fin)

450 FOUR WEEKS? How about I drink a gallon a day for four days.

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:22 PM (UdKB7)

451 435. some did wheatgrass juice, some carrot/spinach, some water like ace did. Then there was the Grape Cure.

Posted by: kallisto at June 11, 2019 09:22 PM (F7lRL)

452 I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:11 PM (UdKB7)

Ibuprofen and drinking lots of water works for me. Your pee needs to run clear. The NSAID is to reduce inflammation. Or see a doc about getting allopurinol, but they want you to take it every day forever.

Gout sucks.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2019 09:22 PM (Z4rgH)

453 All well and good but I can save you a gazillion dollars all you need to do is put a restriction on estrogen shots for transgenders you're welcome\

Posted by: Moses other brother Shecky at June 11, 2019 09:23 PM (aZy6y)

454 The Conservative Case for Supporting Big Sugar and Processed Food

by Bob Dole

Sadly, this is not satire

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:24 PM (Nc1T8)

455 "Ibuprofen and drinking lots of water works for me."

Doing both. I wonder how Black Cherry juice goes with vodka.

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:25 PM (UdKB7)

456 Math ?
They lost 1/20th of their body fat (5%) but lost 27 total pounds ??
That means they were losing something else besides body fat
Ace ???

Posted by: Kurt at June 11, 2019 09:25 PM (vu2jC)

457 Black cherry juice and vodka sounds delicious.

Posted by: April at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (OX9vb)

458 First read "gout" as "goat."

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (NWiLs)

459 When I was in my health nut phase we heard testimonies of people whose cancer went into remission due to fasting.

Posted by: kallisto

Cancer loves sugar.

Posted by: davidt at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (geIq4)

460 I am kinda tired (have been for about a year and a half) of all the new discoveries about the Dem coup and entrapment attempt, because we all know what happened. But without prosecutions, it means nothing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 09:08 PM (r+sAi)

Yup.....but we gotta cross the T's and dot the I's first.

Still crossing and dotting......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (Z+IKu)

461 Tonypete, nothing wrong with it, it just starts to sound cultish.

Here's this silver bullet and it works for everyone no matter what and it'll even reverse your cancer and it'll please Star Emperor Yugoloth and also buy these crystals

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (FQj4d)

462 I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:11 PM (UdKB7)

Ibuprofen and drinking lots of water works for me. Your pee needs to run clear. The NSAID is to reduce inflammation. Or see a doc about getting allopurinol, but they want you to take it every day forever.

Gout sucks.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2019 09:22 PM (Z4rgH)

Steroids will clear that gout in a day.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (1g7ch)

463 Don't all cells feed off glucose?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (pUDQf)

464 456 Math ?
They lost 1/20th of their body fat (5%) but lost 27 total pounds ??
That means they were losing something else besides body fat
Ace ???
Posted by: Kurt at June 11, 2019 09:25 PM (vu2jC)

Those may be basis points. 17% body fat to 12%. Water will also be the majority of any weight loss(to remain proportional).

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2019 09:27 PM (mX8Vr)

465 Rhonda Patrick turned me onto IF, cryo and sauna.

And Rhonda Patrick.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:27 PM (Nc1T8)

466 I went on a medically-supervised low-carb high-protein diet after I had a stroke. The weight just fell off, losing 50 pounds in 4 months.

Low carbs. No donuts. Not LOL.

Posted by: Go Low Carbs at June 11, 2019 09:27 PM (MNJ63)

467 419 I am kinda tired (have been for about a year and a half) of all the new discoveries about the Dem coup and entrapment attempt, because we all know what happened. But without prosecutions, it means nothing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 11, 2019 09:08 PM (r+sAi)

___

#MeToo

There is so much evidence of ehat happened and yet nothing will happen, nobody will go to prison. We're being pwned.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:27 PM (ytZdZ)

468 461 Tonypete, nothing wrong with it, it just starts to sound cultish.

Here's this silver bullet and it works for everyone no matter what and it'll even reverse your cancer and it'll please Star Emperor Yugoloth and also buy these crystals
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 09:26 PM (FQj4d)

Only if they're crystal light.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 09:27 PM (NWiLs)

469 Freaked, soak your foot in apple cider vinegar and water. You will think you've found gout morphine.

Posted by: Nobody at June 11, 2019 09:29 PM (nG5ff)

470 "Don't all cells feed off glucose?"

Yes, but your body can make glucose out of protein and fat, via gluconeogenesis. After using stored sugar as glycogen. The Inuit, who eat zero carbs have a blood glucose of 80.

So it's vital to the cell but not a necessary dietary macro because the body will make it.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:30 PM (Nc1T8)

471 Here's this silver bullet and it works for everyone no matter what and it'll even reverse your cancer and it'll please Star Emperor Yugoloth and also buy these crystals
Posted by: Broseidon

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Oh, I agree. No diet/lifestyle/medication/exercise etc works for everyone. Or even for a large percentage of folks. I guess I am of the opinion to try everything for your ailment until you trip across something that works for you.

p.s. how many quartaloos for the large, green crystals and golden plates?

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 09:30 PM (Y4EXg)

472 I always keep a sliver of faith but will just expect that nothing will happen to the treasonous bastards.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 11, 2019 09:31 PM (nDe2U)

473 Please stop promulgating such retarded shit, OK?

This is the dietary equivalent of global warming.

And what the fuck is a "ketone ester?" I've been a chemistry researcher for essentially all my life, and I have no idea what that means.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:31 PM (YqDXo)

474 again, hate speech means nothing more or less than speech that the ruling class hates that you hear.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 09:32 PM (ykYG2)

475 #MeToo

There is so much evidence of ehat happened and yet nothing will happen, nobody will go to prison. We're being pwned.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:27 PM (ytZdZ)

Trump is biding his time... letting the crazy conspiracy theories play out until they, the UniParty, are thoroughly discredited in the publics eye and desperate. When they try an outright violent coup then Trump will declare himself God-Emperor and the wall with them all.

Everyone applauds.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 11, 2019 09:32 PM (1g7ch)

476 So it's vital to the cell but not a necessary dietary macro because the body will make it.
Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:30 PM (Nc1T8

But I guess my point is, cancer will not starve if you cut out sugar. You still make glucose from what you mentioned and it will feed off that glucose.

I'd definitely agree with cutting out sugar, especially refined sugars but I don't see the connection between cancer and sugar.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:32 PM (pUDQf)

477 Who is to say it fixed her mom, but to reject the lifestyle out of hand doesn't make sense either.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 09:20 PM (Y4EXg)

I don't reject it. I think it is pretty obvious that it works. I also believe that certain people can't lose weight eating a lot of carbs. But I am also skeptical about new discoveries and fads. These health writers contradict themselves all the time. First they say don't drink sugary soda. Then they say drinking diet soda is just as bad. Some even say carbonation will get ya even if it is just water. ZZZZThere is no doubt something in the Western Diet of the USA/UK that has spread around the world is making people fat. But people from China, Japan, India, and even Italy certainly have been eating a lot of carbs for centuries and they were thin at least until recent decades. I don't buy the paleo argument that man was not mean to eat carbs like rice. It is too simple and ignores too many who have been just fine eating those things. Maybe it is just processed foods.

Posted by: Quint at June 11, 2019 09:32 PM (n13/j)

478 So it's vital to the cell but not a necessary dietary macro because the body will make it.
Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:30 PM (Nc1T

Now address the thermodynamics of gluconeogenesis.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:33 PM (YqDXo)

479 Hydrate!

Posted by: Almost-Zombie RBG at June 11, 2019 09:33 PM (EgshT)

480 Lay down my dear brothers
Lay down and take your rest
Won't you lay your head
Upon your saviors breast

I love you
But Jesus loves you the best

And I bid you goodnight

Posted by: JackStraw at June 11, 2019 09:33 PM (/tuJf)

481 Oooh, diet thread! I have questions!

I do hope some Hordesters might have insight or experience to share, please.

I am interested in the supposed benefits of the carnivore diet, but I am concerned about reports of food reactions after going meat-only for awhile and then re-introducing other foods. I am suspecting part of the problem is just that the body stops producing digestive enzymes for the restricted foods and that is what causes the problems if there is no actual food intolerance. Kind of like, I could drink milk with no problems until I went for awhile without drinking it and then after that I had distress if I drank it. If I hadn't stopped drinking it, I think I wouldn't have developed the intolerance.

So, I am leery about eating only animal products for 30-90 days because I may lose tolerance for a lot of foods I want to be able to eat now and then.

But some say the healing only happens if one cuts out all plant foods.

Can't I do this with, say, 80% animal and 20% plant and still enjoy benefits?

Posted by: Emmie Oakley at June 11, 2019 09:33 PM (4HMW8)

482 I'd definitely agree with cutting out sugar, especially refined sugars but I don't see the connection between cancer and sugar.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:32 PM (pUDQf)

That's because there isn't any. And "refined sugars" are just sugars that don't have field hands' shit on them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:34 PM (YqDXo)

483 I tend to agree with Jay Guevara. His comments have a very low signal-to-noise ratio.
"Go with proteins over carbs", I get. Fancy terms like "keto!" ping my BS meter.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 09:34 PM (ykYG2)

484 That's because there isn't any. And "refined sugars" are just sugars that don't have field hands' shit on them.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:34 PM (YqDXo)

So they have been stripped of all the micro-nutrient and homopathic goodness?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 11, 2019 09:35 PM (1g7ch)

485 The one thing I'll never consciously put into my body again: corn syrup.

It's garbage.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2019 08:09 PM (DuZls)

Rubbish. "High fructose" corn syrup is 55% fructose, 45% glucose.

Sucrose - table sugar - is 50% fructose, 50% glucose.

I trust you're embarrassed by that, in view of your assertion. You should be, if you're not.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:35 PM (YqDXo)

486 i mean, high ratio. gahh.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 11, 2019 09:36 PM (ykYG2)

487 "But I guess my point is, cancer will not starve if you cut out sugar."

The Warburg effect. Yes it kind of does. Cancer cells tend to favor metabolism via glycolysis rather than the much more efficient oxidative phosphorylation pathway and ketones that other cells can use.

If I ever underwent chemo for cancer, I would fast for ten days basically to starve it while poisoning it.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:36 PM (Nc1T8)

488 "Go with proteins over carbs", I get.

That's actually not the argument at all. Go with healthy fats over carbs is the argument. Too much protein isn't good either. I think you're confusing paleo with keto.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:38 PM (Nc1T8)

489 So they have been stripped of all the micro-nutrient and homopathic goodness?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 11, 2019 09:35 PM (1g7ch)

Here's the secret to living forever without any problems. I'm writing a soon-to-be bestselling book on this, which you can find in any airport departure lounge, right next to books by Kevin Trudeau and Gary Taubes.

Here's the secret: stick a yam up your ass. Yes, it's just that simple. And I've saved you the $29.95 cost of my upcoming book.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:38 PM (YqDXo)

490 Rubbish. "High fructose" corn syrup is 55% fructose, 45% glucose.
Sucrose - table sugar - is 50% fructose, 50% glucose.
I trust you're embarrassed by that, in view of your assertion. You should be, if you're not.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:35 PM (YqDXo)

Yup....sugar is sugar is sugar.

Moderation in all things is key.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 11, 2019 09:38 PM (Z+IKu)

491 My mom's cancer tumors shrunk when she was low-carb and grew again when she went off low carb.

Posted by: Emmie Oakley at June 11, 2019 09:38 PM (4HMW8)

492 Here's the secret: stick a yam up your ass. Yes, it's just that simple. And I've saved you the $29.95 cost of my upcoming book.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

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Ohhhhhhh!

Posted by: Shep at June 11, 2019 09:39 PM (Y4EXg)

493 Now address the thermodynamics of gluconeogenesis.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:33 PM (YqDXo)

Waiting ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:39 PM (YqDXo)

494 462
I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?

My brother works with a bunch of guys who drink too much and have gout. They take vitamin C supplements, seemed to work for me.

Posted by: dartist at June 11, 2019 09:39 PM (K22Va)

495 Yam butt?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:39 PM (UdKB7)

496 -
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I always keep a sliver of faith but will just expect that nothing will happen to the treasonous bastards.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 11, 2019 09:31 PM

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I want: Executions and gibbeting.
I'd take: Convictions and prison terms.
I'll get: Admissions of improper procedure, possibly some sternly-worded letters, and maybe even an early retirement or two. Yay.

Posted by: My pessimistc side. at June 11, 2019 09:39 PM (RVcmP)

497 491 My mom's cancer tumors shrunk when she was low-carb and grew again when she went off low carb.
Posted by: Emmie Oakley at June 11, 2019 09:38 PM (4HMW

C'mon. Because cancers never wax and wane on their own?

Sheesh.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:40 PM (YqDXo)

498
The Warburg effect. Yes it kind of does. Cancer cells tend to favor metabolism via glycolysis rather than the much more efficient oxidative phosphorylation pathway and ketones that other cells can use.

If I ever underwent chemo for cancer, I would fast for ten days basically to starve it while poisoning it.
Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:36 PM (Nc1T8

Ok. That's interesting! So essentially cancer has a preference and it's glucose from sugars?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:40 PM (pUDQf)

499 Here's the secret: stick a yam up your ass. Yes, it's just that simple. And I've saved you the $29.95 cost of my upcoming book.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I think I'll stick to the all protein gerbils.

Posted by: Richard Gere at June 11, 2019 09:40 PM (geIq4)

500 That's because there isn't any.

Own a sugar cane plantation?

Posted by: t-bird at June 11, 2019 09:40 PM (asM0l)

501 462 I drank 3/4 of a quart of Black Cherry juice today but my toe still hurts like hell. How long is this supposed to take?

Got a yam?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:40 PM (YqDXo)

502 500 That's because there isn't any.

Own a sugar cane plantation?
Posted by: t-bird at June 11, 2019 09:40 PM (asM0l)

A couple of them. Eat. More. Sugar.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:42 PM (YqDXo)

503 'Got a yam?'

No I am yamless. Will a rutabaga work?

Posted by: freaked at June 11, 2019 09:42 PM (UdKB7)

504 Eat right. Exercise. Die anyway. At least your corpse will fit in the slim model coffin.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 09:42 PM (NWiLs)

505 Maybe it is just processed foods.
Posted by: Quint at June 11, 2019 09:32 PM (n13/j)

__

DING

DING

DING

DING

We have a winner.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:42 PM (ytZdZ)

506 I yam what I yam, and that's all that I yam.

Posted by: Popeye at June 11, 2019 09:43 PM (geIq4)

507 Yup....sugar is sugar is sugar.

Moderation in all things is key.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 11, 2019 09:38 PM (Z+IKu)/i]

This.

Ingesting a bunch of sucrose is essentially the same thing as ingesting a comparable amount of the deadly "high fructose corn syrup."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:43 PM (YqDXo)

508 I yam what i yam and dat's all dat I yam.

Posted by: P. Eye at June 11, 2019 09:44 PM (K22Va)

509 Maybe it is just processed foods.
Posted by: Quint at June 11, 2019 09:32 PM (n13/j)

__

DING

DING

DING

DING

We have a winner.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:42 PM (ytZdZ)

Define "processed."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:44 PM (YqDXo)

510 High fructose corn syrup is just easier and cheaper to make.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:44 PM (pUDQf)

511 ...the stuff the government has been preaching is completely wrong, at least for people with carb sensitivity.

Posted by: ace

I like to point people to this when they start telling me that I should use the gov "food pyramid": https://tinyurl.com/y5s8vbca

The current gov dietary guidelines and the ones at the link are pretty similar in their emphasis on grains.

Posted by: Bert G at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (OMsf+)

512 510 High fructose corn syrup is just easier and cheaper to make.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:44 PM (pUDQf)

Don't need as many slaves as working the cane fields.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (NWiLs)

513 Watch Robert Lustig's YouTube video by Crossfit.

He flat out states that sugar isn't even a food.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (Nc1T8)

514 I'm open to new things and new ideas. But when I start hearing how (fill in the blank with new fad) cures cancer.....I'm out. Cuz if ithis shit cured cancer, then every cancer patient on earth would start doing whatever IT is.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (ytZdZ)

515 409 24 hour fast with a keto diet might be a real weight loss winner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:04 PM (pUDQf)

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Pretty much what I did last week prior to my colonoscopy.

Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (RU4sa)

516 Anyway. Most younger doctors know the stuff the government has been preaching is completely wrong

Which they got from ... physicians. Whom you now take as imparting God's truth.

OK.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (YqDXo)

517 Yeah, kek, kek, kek, kek, kek, kek...

Posted by: Popeye at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (geIq4)

518 Deplorable Jay Guevara

It appears from the Internet that a placebo effect small molecule (supposedly from DARPA) is responsible. An IUPAC name would be nice, but it is hidden.

Found it.
Acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and acetone.

It's all bullshit. AcAc is not good for lungs and other things. And acetone: well, if that makes one an athlete I could arm-wrestle the svelte RBG given how much I have spilled.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 11, 2019 09:46 PM (u82oZ)

519 We shouldn't be worried about cancer anymore because Personal Space Invader Biden is gonna cure it. He promised.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:46 PM (pUDQf)

520 Nerd cutie?

Would hit.

Posted by: eleven at June 11, 2019 09:46 PM (tH5fk)

521 "Moderation in all things is key."

It would be in Japan where junk food is a bento box, healthier than 90 pct of our meals.

Moderation on the standard American diet is eat shit moderately and poison yourself a little less.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:47 PM (Nc1T8)

522 409 24 hour fast with a keto diet might be a real weight loss winner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:04 PM (pUDQf)

My other soon to be bestseller is entitled the "Mexican taco truck diet."

Eat from a Mexican taco truck with poor hygiene, and you will probably lose weight. Fast. Very fast. For the next several days.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:47 PM (YqDXo)

523 He flat out states that sugar isn't even a food.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (Nc1T

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so what?

the world is full of idiots, spouting nonsense.

granted, it's more like a seasoning than a foodstuff, but it's a great source of energy for a healthy person, consumed in moderation.

there's a reason why it tastes good to most people.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 11, 2019 09:48 PM (makEl)

524 Deplorable Jay Guevara

No actual ketone and an ester involved. Ketones and an ionized carboxylic acid is all they got.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 11, 2019 09:48 PM (u82oZ)

525 That's true about Biden. I should start smoking even though I never have because he'll cure whatever happens anyway.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:48 PM (Nc1T8)

526 I don't know, some of Kato's diet don't look so healthy.

Posted by: The Green Hornet at June 11, 2019 09:49 PM (geIq4)

527 Eat from a Mexican taco truck with poor hygiene, and you will probably lose weight. Fast. Very fast. For the next several days.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:47 PM (YqDXo

Damn you, Montezuma!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:49 PM (pUDQf)

528 I like pie.

Can't haz my pie, doc.

Posted by: eleven at June 11, 2019 09:49 PM (tH5fk)

529 Define "processed."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:44 PM (YqDXo)

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If I can't pronounce it, I'm not eating is my general rule of thumb.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:49 PM (ytZdZ)

530 "so what?

the world is full of idiots, spouting nonsense."

Watch the vid and get back to me. He's a pediatric endocrinologist and knows what he's talking about. Alcohol tastes great and it's not food. So much for that logic.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:50 PM (Nc1T8)

531 Europe and Asia started getting fatter at the exact same time American fast food chains started showing up.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:51 PM (ytZdZ)

532 It's all bullshit. AcAc is not good for lungs and other things. And acetone: well, if that makes one an athlete I could arm-wrestle the svelte RBG given how much I have spilled.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 11, 2019 09:46 PM (u82oZ)

It is. I don't see the relationship between acetoacetate and acetone, other than a structural feature in common. Should we tell the faithful that a mixture of acetone and ethyl acetate (nail polish remover) is equivalent to a "ketone ester?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:51 PM (YqDXo)

533 Europe and Asia started getting fatter at the exact same time American fast food chains started showing up.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:51 PM (ytZdZ)

Or the time that increasing prosperity, labor-saving devices, and video games became widespread?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:52 PM (YqDXo)

534 531 Europe and Asia started getting fatter at the exact same time American fast food chains started showing up.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:51 PM (ytZdZ

Correlation doesn't mean causation. They may have also stopped exercising as much or any number of things.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:53 PM (pUDQf)

535 China is killing millions of pigs to try and stave off a killer infection.
So, how does the incipient pig meat shortage affect your life?

BACON SHORTAGE!

Buy now. Turkey bacon will not cut it.

Note: Denmark puts up 50 click fence to curb wild boar invasion.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 11, 2019 09:53 PM (e1mEI)

536 Almost sorry, completely OT. Whoa Fat killed his half-brother because he was a CIA source. It would be a little frightening, a little funny, if it comes out the NORKs got a heads up from China because they figured out he was CIA from Hillarys emails. Hillary, a natural born killer.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at June 11, 2019 09:54 PM (z2xIo)

537 I'd bet my local high school boys team could beat most of the countries in the womYns world cup. I tried watching some of the games, couldn't for more than a few minutes. It's that bad.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:54 PM (ytZdZ)

538 Let me know when the Ethiopians start getting fat.

No reason.

Just let me know.

Posted by: eleven at June 11, 2019 09:54 PM (tH5fk)

539 He's a pediatric endocrinologist and knows what he's talking about.

He's a physician. He knows what he's been told in medical school. Which he's parroting now. Period.

It wasn't that long ago that physicians believed in using leeches to balance the bodily humors.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:54 PM (YqDXo)

540 534 531 Europe and Asia started getting fatter at the exact same time American fast food chains started showing up.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:51 PM (ytZdZ

Correlation doesn't mean causation. They may have also stopped exercising as much or any number of things.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:53 PM (pUDQf)

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It is a suspicious coincidence though.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:55 PM (ytZdZ)

541 Alcohol tastes great and it's not food. So much for that logic.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:50 PM (Nc1T

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it so too is a food: i live on it.

hell, i'm drinking dinner right now. z

Pro Tip: "MD" is not pronounced "G*d".

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 11, 2019 09:55 PM (makEl)

542 -
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China is killing millions of pigs to try and stave off a killer infection.

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That happens here somewhat regularly, too.

Posted by: irright at June 11, 2019 09:55 PM (RVcmP)

543 Now physicians know what the pharmaceutical companies tell them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 09:55 PM (pUDQf)

544 Define "processed."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:44 PM (YqDXo)

I can't. We both know that most rice, pasta, and bread is processed to some extent. And anyone who claims the Italians eat whole grain pasta is selling you something. When I said processed I meant things spit out by companies like Kraft, foods with lots of ingredients, dyes, added sugar, etc.

Like I said, I don't have the answer. I can look in a mirror and know that lol. But people in Europe have eaten bread for centuries as a staple and people in the East have eaten rice. The other things they ate were normally unprocessed natural foods like fish, way more greens than we eat, and meat a times. Then there is the lifestyle issue, I can't see how that can be overlooked. Most people today do a lot more sittin' around.

Posted by: Quint at June 11, 2019 09:56 PM (n13/j)

545 I take it you've never been to Japan? Anpan and taiyaki and karaage and melonpan and takoyaki and ramen and udon and yakisoba and tonkatsu...let's just say there's no shortage of super carby foods.

Also the average bento has lots of rice. Not low carb.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 09:56 PM (FQj4d)

546 513 Watch Robert Lustig's YouTube video by Crossfit.

He flat out states that sugar isn't even a food.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 09:45 PM (Nc1T

Then he's retarded. And you're a quack.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:56 PM (YqDXo)

547 One thing I've learned in discussing what we know about medicine and human body and the brain in particular, what we think we know now will sound primitive in fifty years.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 11, 2019 09:57 PM (4thlk)

548 473 Please stop promulgating such retarded shit, OK?

This is the dietary equivalent of global warming.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:31 PM (YqDXo)

I thought the dietary equivalent of global warming was the official US Government nutritional standards, which are based on "scientific consensus" and which are almost certainly responsible for the rise of obesity and Type 2 diabetes.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (sdi6R)

549 Own a sugar cane plantation?

Posted by: t-bird at June 11, 2019 09:40 PM (asM0l)

Chemistry is a bitch....it never lies to us.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (wYseH)

550 It wasn't that long ago that physicians believed in using leeches to balance the bodily humors.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:54 PM (YqDXo)
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we still use leeches here in the US: i know, as i was the leech wrangler and expert trainer to the nurses at one hospital.

because everyone else was scared of them and i wasn't.

Posted by: redc1c4, the ONT Rx Tech at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (makEl)

551 It is a suspicious coincidence though.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:55 PM (ytZdZ)

C'mon. It's rubbish. It's like the "correlation" between electoral results and hemlines.

Lincoln's secretary was named "Kennedy." Kennedy's secretary was named "Lincoln." Suspicious coincidence?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (YqDXo)

552 534 531 Europe and Asia started getting fatter at the exact same time American fast food chains started showing up.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:51 PM (ytZdZ

no

Posted by: Quint at June 11, 2019 09:59 PM (n13/j)

553 Portion size is also a factor. Go to a Chilis's or Outback or whatever and compare those portions to a typical restaurant meal in Japan or France. It's significantly smaller. And all the sugary Starbucks/Dunkin' drinks masquerading as coffee. The daily office birthday cake, cookies, cupcakes rituals.

Everywhere you look in N. America you see food being offered. It's a lifestyle issue as much as anything else. Eat pasta, eat rice, eat pizza. Just don't eat 3 plates full at every sitting.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:59 PM (ytZdZ)

554 I'm with Jay here. Doctors were also parroting the food pyramid for decades. They're not possessed of divine wisdom.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 09:59 PM (FQj4d)

555 spit out by companies like Kraft, foods with lots of ingredients, dyes, added sugar, etc.

Pasteurized Processed Cheese Food Product ain't cheese in my book.

Posted by: dartist at June 11, 2019 09:59 PM (K22Va)

556 you really have to walk on gilded splinters around here. or else, you wind up 30 days in the hole. smart military blog, my ass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 11, 2019 09:59 PM (KP5rU)

557 Lincoln's secretary was named "Kennedy." Kennedy's secretary was named "Lincoln." Suspicious coincidence?

Mind blown.

Posted by: eleven at June 11, 2019 10:00 PM (tH5fk)

558 C'mon. It's rubbish. It's like the "correlation" between electoral results and hemlines.

Lincoln's secretary was named "Kennedy." Kennedy's secretary was named "Lincoln." Suspicious coincidence?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (YqDXo)

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It's rubbish that when societies were introduced to garbage food that make people fat.....they got fat? OK.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 10:00 PM (ytZdZ)

559 we still use leeches here in the US

Posted by: redc1c4, the ONT Rx Tech at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (makEl)

But for very different reasons.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2019 10:00 PM (wYseH)

560 lol chavez

Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2019 10:00 PM (RU4sa)

561 are almost certainly responsible for the rise of obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (sdi6R)

People now eat too much and exercise too little.

That's the title of my third upcoming book.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 10:01 PM (YqDXo)

562 Mmmmm, leeches...

Posted by: Gollum at June 11, 2019 10:01 PM (geIq4)

563 560: that's it, girl!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 11, 2019 10:01 PM (KP5rU)

564 Deplorable Jay, I'm open to listening but consider things from my point of view:

My heart Doc (Notre Dame - BS, Case Western - MD) tells me something to help out my health. My wife, who has completely different ailments is told by her MD, big shot in the neuromuscular dept at Cleveland Clinic, to do the same thing. We do. And our health is vastly improved.

Like I said, I'm open to other ideas, but if I strip it down to bare facts, it sounds like this if I talk to anyone else: A guy I follow, but never met, told me on the interwebs this idea is bunk and we are fools to try it. He is a (I think) trained chemical scientist type but still. . .

I have to go with what works for me and my lovely. Years ago, before we started Keto, she got the "if there is anyplace you want to go, or things you want to see, now is the time." talk.

We're better - perhaps it is the placebo effect. Does it matter?

Be well my friend.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 10:02 PM (Y4EXg)

565 It's rubbish that when societies were introduced to garbage food that make people fat.....they got fat? OK.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 10:00 PM (ytZdZ)

They were introduced to garbage "science," which absolved them of any responsibility for their lives.

Remember Kevin Trudeau's tagline re obesity: "It ain't your fault."

Yeah, it is.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 10:02 PM (YqDXo)

566 redc1c4, the ONT Rx Tech

Leeches. Hella of a way to talk about AOC.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 11, 2019 10:02 PM (u82oZ)

567 557 comments on the newest fad diet give me a break. Try moderation and exercise America

Posted by: Sock Monkey... they is blinding me with science at June 11, 2019 10:03 PM (SFrXU)

568 Vodka has 0 carbs.

Posted by: Hills at June 11, 2019 10:03 PM (rRxrm)

569 561 are almost certainly responsible for the rise of obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (sdi6R)

People now eat too much and exercise too little.

That's the title of my third upcoming book.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 10:01 PM (YqDXo)

Will it be yam-themed like the previous titles "YamAss - Your Guide to Tuber-Rectal Weight Loss" and "Yam, Bam, Thank You Ma'am! The Thirty-day All-yam Crash Weight Loss Program"?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 10:04 PM (NWiLs)

570 565 It's rubbish that when societies were introduced to garbage food that make people fat.....they got fat? OK.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 10:00 PM (ytZdZ)

They were introduced to garbage "science," which absolved them of any responsibility for their lives.

Remember Kevin Trudeau's tagline re obesity: "It ain't your fault."

Yeah, it is.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 10:02 PM (YqDXo)

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That may be true for Americans, not so much ROW.

Why are you so gung ho on defending fast food? Are you seriously suggesting it's good for you?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 10:04 PM (ytZdZ)

571 It wasn't that long ago that physicians believed in using leeches to balance the bodily humors.

IIRC, that was about the same time that chemists were trying to figure out how to make gold from other elements and compounds.

Posted by: Bert G at June 11, 2019 10:05 PM (OMsf+)

572 Everywhere you look in N. America you see food being
offered. It's a lifestyle issue as much as anything else. Eat pasta,
eat rice, eat pizza. Just don't eat 3 plates full at every sitting.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 09:59 PM (ytZdZ)

Fuck off fascist!

Posted by: Michael Moore at June 11, 2019 10:06 PM (rRxrm)

573 we still use leeches here in the US

Posted by: redc1c4, the ONT Rx Tech at June 11, 2019 09:58 PM (makEl)

But for very different reasons.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2019 10:00 PM (wYseH)

Yes, we elect them again and again to "represent" us in Congress AND at the state level!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 11, 2019 10:06 PM (AZxMX)

574 572

Early night.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 10:06 PM (ytZdZ)

575 At its core, calories are calories. If you eat too many and don't use the energy they are capable of, they get stored as fat.

I think that's Jay's point.

What's up for debate is if certain types of foods cause harm while giving you those calories. Sugar, carbs, etc.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2019 10:06 PM (pUDQf)

576 Dey's uh, yam-kabobs, yam creole, yam gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple yams, lemon yams, coconut yams, pepper yams, yam soup, yam stew, yam salad, yam and potatoes, yam burger, yam sandwich. That - that's about it.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 10:07 PM (NWiLs)

577 You guys are right, keto is bullshit. I started eating low carb and lost 70 pounds. Fat ass believer in bullshit. You guys are so much smarter than me, I wish I could have listened to you before I tried it. I could still be fat, but smart like you. Gosh, they taught us in animal nutrition in school that you had to balance carbs, protein and fat to get maximum gains. Do you think it might be that an imblanced diet would cause weight loss? Ask a chicken nutritionist.

Posted by: Nobody at June 11, 2019 10:07 PM (nG5ff)

578 IIRC, that was about the same time that chemists were trying to figure out how to make gold from other elements and compounds.

Posted by: Bert G at June 11, 2019 10:05 PM (OMsf+)

When the right people do it, it WILL work this time!

Posted by: Alchemist Hrothgar at June 11, 2019 10:07 PM (AZxMX)

579
You guys are right, keto is bullshit.
Posted by: Nobody at June 11, 2019 10:07 PM (nG5ff)

I'm living proof that keto is bullshit.

Posted by: Michael Moore at June 11, 2019 10:08 PM (rRxrm)

580 ont

Posted by: davidt at June 11, 2019 10:08 PM (geIq4)

581 For years, alchemists sought to create the philosopher's stone, which could turn yams into gold.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2019 10:09 PM (NWiLs)

582 577 You guys are right, keto is bullshit. I started eating low carb and lost 70 pounds. Fat ass believer in bullshit. You guys are so much smarter than me, I wish I could have listened to you before I tried it. I could still be fat, but smart like you. Gosh, they taught us in animal nutrition in school that you had to balance carbs, protein and fat to get maximum gains. Do you think it might be that an imblanced diet would cause weight loss? Ask a chicken nutritionist.
Posted by: Nobody at June 11, 2019 10:07 PM (nG5ff)

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And how long have you kept that 70 lbs off. All fad diets have short term success stories. Long term.....not so much.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 10:09 PM (ytZdZ)

583 We're better - perhaps it is the placebo effect. Does it matter?

Be well my friend.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 11, 2019 10:02 PM (Y4EXg)

Thanks, and you too. I rejoice in your improved health. I really do.

I'm questioning the causal relationship that is being asserted, that's all. Recall that until relatively recently all physicians considered ulcers to result from stress.

Why did they think that? Had they performed any research on this? No. Because they were sitting in lecture theaters listening to people like me telling them that. They had no more intellectual engagement with this issue than a bullhorn has with the speaker at a leftist rally.

Physicians, including those from Notre Dame - BS, Case Western - MD, dutifully parroted this. Then two Australians posited ulcers as resulting from a bacterial infection, and were laughed at by physicians from Notre Dame - BS, Case Western - MD, inter alia.

Turns out that they were right, flew to Stockholm for their Nobel Prizes, and all of the people teaching soon to be physicians were wrong.

The question here is epistemological, viz., how does one know what one thinks one knows?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 10:10 PM (YqDXo)

584 I'm a yammer, he's a yammer, she's a yammer, we're a yammer. Wouldn't you like to be a yammer too?

Posted by: Yammers United at June 11, 2019 10:10 PM (UdKB7)

585 Posted by: redc1c4 at June 11, 2019 09:55 PM (makEl)

My doc maintains that beer is a healthy whole grain beverage!

Posted by: Alchemist Hrothgar at June 11, 2019 10:11 PM (AZxMX)

586 Nobody: But do you even lift?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 11, 2019 10:11 PM (FQj4d)

587 24 hour fast with a keto diet might be a real weight loss winner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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24 hours is easy. I did a 120 hour fast once. It was before I was fat adapted and it was terribly hard. Maybe because I expected it to be easier. I was told that it would be. My sister did 28 days, like Ace. Except it was a hunger strike, not a fast.

Posted by: Kegeshook at June 11, 2019 10:13 PM (pq5SX)

588 Why are you so gung ho on defending fast food? Are you seriously suggesting it's good for you?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 11, 2019 10:04 PM (ytZdZ)

I'm not. I'm defending reason.

And I detest the expression "good for you," except in the context of responding to someone doing something.

Let me ask this question: how does one know - empirically, not anecdotally - whether some food is "good for you" or not?

The problem with fast food is its high caloric content, which makes it easy to ingest way more calories than one can burn off. Think about this: who routinely eats fast food? People who are too lazy to cook, right? Now ... are such people more likely to be fitness fanatics, or to go back home and watch TV?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 11, 2019 10:17 PM (YqDXo)

589 Brodseidon, that was my next question! You're like a fortune teller or something!

Posted by: Nobody at June 11, 2019 10:19 PM (nG5ff)

590 "Let me ask this question: how does one know - empirically, not anecdotally - whether some food is "good for you" or not? "

OK smartass, trans-fats are not good for you. But go right on defending junk food.

As far as your thermodynamic argument, I assume you were going for the argument that fat has 9 cal/g so therefore it burns slower than carbs.

That's not how it works and that's old tried BS. Not all macros are equal, and fat is more satiating so you don't eat as much.

But yeah I'll just go ahead and listen to an Internet troll instead of a Stanford professor of endocrinology who is challenging the status quo with data and results.

Better yet, upload a pic so we can see your gainzz.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 10:38 PM (Nc1T8)

591 "People now eat too much and exercise too little."

Calories in calories out doesn't work.

Ironically you sound like the doctors that haven't kept up with the science.

They tried that on The Biggest Loser.

There is no reunion show because they put the weight back on.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 10:41 PM (Nc1T8)

592 466 I went on a medically-supervised ("The Healthy Way Now") low-carb high-protein diet after I had a stroke. The weight just fell off, losing 50 pounds in 4 months.

Younger doctors. Low carbs. No donuts. Not LOL.

Posted by: John Marovich at June 11, 2019 10:47 PM (MNJ63)

593 I agree with the comment that the Food Pyramid is Global Warming.

Keto is Bjorn Lomborg.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 11, 2019 10:54 PM (Nc1T8)

594 So what they seem to be saying is that humans are primarily carnivores, but can survive on a low-protein, low-fat vegetative diet.

Posted by: DaveK at June 11, 2019 10:56 PM (BDbDs)

595 Been doing keto for 2 months, tracking macros with cronometer, less than 25g of carbs a day, 160g of fat, 100g of protein daily for 2000 calories a day, and I strength train 3 times a week.

Pee sticks say I am constantly in ketosis (although not always deeply), diabetic blood sugars are great, nearly always

Also did some 14 hour fasts a couple of days a week in the last few weeks.

Not lost a pound. weight stays at the same point give or take 4 pounds which is equivalent of water weight.

I could be putting it on in muscle, I believe I have gotten a bit leaner, but I can't put muscle on as fast as I can loose the same weight in fat.

Agree though, carbs are the debbil, especially as a diabetic.

Posted by: Ring at June 12, 2019 07:13 AM (KPGR9)

596 Remember me, bitches?

Posted by: Dr Atkins at June 12, 2019 09:07 AM (aa99A)

597 I cannot overemphasize what a bad idea this is. Both Keto and Paleo are scientifically inferior to plant-based whole food diets.

Those doctors recommending that patients do paleo or veto will come to regret it, as will their insurance companies.

Posted by: Dogleg Bumstead at June 12, 2019 01:23 PM (ZVNwR)

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