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I chose this photo because it is focused on the personal, but all but one of the men is anonymous...only one face can be seen. That ratio is probably close to the mark, as our World War II veterans pass on, and the memory of what they did fades into the past.

It is easy to lose sight of what the free West accomplished over those six long years. For the first two years, Great Britain fought essentially alone against the rapidly increasing might of Nazi Germany and its allies and proxies. I cannot imagine what it must have been like for the typical Englishman to awaken each morning, knowing that his small and poor country was taking on a significant portion of the world's armies. For today at least, I prefer to see Britain as that brave and unyielding force against which the Axis fought until America entered the war. Perhaps a bit of that is left in the DNA of the current occupants of Britannia.

But the West unified on December 7th, 1941, and America brought to bear its martial ferocity combined with industrial and scientific might the likes of which the world had never seen. That Higgins Boat was probably built in New Orleans and shipped to England on one of the 2,700 Liberty ships built during the war. At peak capacity they took only 42 days to build a Liberty ship, and Higgins was building 700 LCVP's each month!

That unmatched industrial might overwhelmed the Japanese and Germans by outbuilding their navies, their air forces and their armies. But those ships and planes and tanks and trucks were filled with American fighting men, without whom the war would have been lost. As Admiral Yamamoto famously said, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

The men in the photo above resolved to win the war, and they knew that in the process many of them would not return home. But they did it by mastering their fear, but relying on each other, by knowing that their country and the world needed them to be giants that day. And giants they were, because the Normandy landings -- the greatest seaborne invasion in history -- was the beginning of the end of the Third Reich. Four months later they entered Germany, five months after that they crossed the Rhine, and by May the war in Europe was over.

The men who scaled the cliffs at Pointe du Hoc, or those who landed in those flimsy Higgins boats on the beaches at Omaha and Utah, into the teeth of a stubborn German defense are mostly gone. Some are buried above the beach in the American Cemetery, most have been laid to rest all over America, and all should be remembered forever.

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Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:01 AM (jsWA8)

2 ....

Amen.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2019 11:01 AM (6qErC)

3 Those near the Ft Carson AO, I strongly suggest to visit the 4th ID museum.

Posted by: SMH at June 06, 2019 11:02 AM (RU4sa)

4 Having served over 30 years, and a combat vet, I'm still awed by the pictures of what these guys faced.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:03 AM (jsWA8)

5 God Bless the United States of America and all those who have sacrificed for it to defend against tyranny in the past and in the present.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:04 AM (nRWPy)

6 I would put up my flag but it looks like it is going to rain here any minute.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2019 11:04 AM (mpXpK)

7 Some are buried above the beach in the American Cemetery, most have been laid to rest all over America, and all should be remembered forever.

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Amen.

Posted by: SMH at June 06, 2019 11:04 AM (RU4sa)

8 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 06, 2019 11:05 AM (xQeGq)

9 The men in the photo above resolved to win the war, and they knew that
in the process many of them would not return home. But they did it by
mastering their fear, but relying on each other, by knowing that their
country and the world needed them to be giants that day

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Amen

Posted by: Tonypete at June 06, 2019 11:06 AM (+IAze)

10 I'm still awed by the pictures of what these guys faced.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:03 AM (jsWA

Those beaches are worth a visit. The people of Normandy remember, and they are not like their Parisian cousins.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 06, 2019 11:06 AM (wYseH)

11 Something I learned at the cemetery in Normandy. If you were killed and your family wanted your remains sent back to the states, they had to pay for the shipping. Otherwise you were buried in one of the US cemeteries in Europe.
I was shocked at that.

Posted by: IP at June 06, 2019 11:06 AM (cn3ZE)

12 Great sentiments.

May they never be forgotten.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 06, 2019 11:06 AM (sQD5x)

13 Trump delivered a beautiful and moving speech this morning that I'm sure all the media will praise and cover in depth.....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 11:06 AM (NFEMn)

14 7 Some are buried above the beach in the American Cemetery, most have been laid to rest all over America, and all should be remembered forever.

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Amen.
Posted by: SMH at June 06, 2019 11:04 AM (RU4sa)

Ditto!

Posted by: Tami at June 06, 2019 11:07 AM (cF8AT)

15 Thank you, CBD. So well said. Thank you.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at June 06, 2019 11:08 AM (5uW9e)

16 Bad news: Taking a sick day
Good new: Band of Brothers is on.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2019 11:08 AM (W+vEI)

17 AMEN ! think about what those mostly teenagers were facing & fast forward to today Pussified Teenagers whining about anything & everything

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 11:08 AM (BqBId)

18
On this solemn day, let us not forget the contributions to victory made by the community activists, the transgendered, the climate and diversity Vice Chancellors, the Women's Studies professors, the lobbyists and the various talking heads and political consultants.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2019 11:08 AM (BWL+E)

19 The people of Normandy remember, and they are not like their Parisian cousins.
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The common people of Belgium, Bastogne in particular, feel as though they are forever Americans at heart. I would live there given the chance I think.

Posted by: IP at June 06, 2019 11:08 AM (cn3ZE)

20 4 Having served over 30 years, and a combat vet, I'm still awed by the pictures of what these guys faced.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:03 AM (jsWA

I can't even imagine it.

And to hear the whines of people today, you'd think what they're facing is so much worse.

Posted by: Tami at June 06, 2019 11:08 AM (cF8AT)

21 Trump gave a good speech this morning in Normandy - a lot of praise for the American who fought and died there.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2019 11:09 AM (W+vEI)

22 God bless those men, as we will not likely see the likes of them anytime soon.
Special prayer for General Patton, who had the foresight to prepare against the pending onslaught/rot of socialism and communism, for that he suffered the fate of a suspicious wrongful and premature death. Looking at you liberal and democrats...

Posted by: lwc at June 06, 2019 11:09 AM (G8lfi)

23 Much respect to everyone who fought or worked in that war.

We were the right people to do the job then.

We no longer are who they were.

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24 God bless them all!

Posted by: Texican ette at June 06, 2019 11:10 AM (gou4q)

25 http://bit.ly/2Z5A9cM
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Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 11:10 AM (BqBId)

26 Kinda dusty in here...

Got something in my eyes.

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 06, 2019 11:10 AM (KLu+z)

27 Thank God for the A-bombs that we dropped on Japan.
Without them X-Day in Nov. 1945 would have made D-Day look like a walk in the park and may of use would not be here today.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at June 06, 2019 11:10 AM (QMwOT)

28 My father was sent to the South Pacific. He had a calculator for a brain and helped to engineer the landing strips on the islands from New Guinea on. He was in the Philippines when they ended the war in Japan. He had first been assigned to the Army Air Corps after being identified to be a "90 day wonder" after they administered the IQ tests to those who enlisted (he enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor). Fortunately, his vision wasn't good enough for the Air Corp and his math brain made him ripe for the Corps of Engineers. After the war he occupied Japan then went to Greenland to help construct the ice tunnel at Thule which was used to spy on the Soviets. Back to be commandant of the Engineer School (always thought using a german word for that was odd) then down to Bragg to do engineering and logistics studies for Vietnam where my brother was a combat chopper pilot (he came back screwed up, died from alcoholism years later).

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:10 AM (nRWPy)

29 God bless them. May they rest in peace in His loving grace.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2019 11:10 AM (axyOa)

30 Somebody in the art thread commented that, if Trump had been president during WWII, the Dems would have leaked D-Day plans to the Nazis. Today's Dems would for sure. But what about back then -- Roosevelt's party? If Wendell Willkie, a liberal, internationalist R, had taken the White House from FDR in 1940, say, would the Dems have fought him as savagely as they are now bucking Trump? Or were they saner back then?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2019 11:11 AM (ClOmq)

31 Thanks, CBD. Very well written. Good focus on industrial might, too. People often like to point out that the Russians did most of the dying in the War, and right they are. What they leave out is the huge amount of industrial output that flowed to them. One of the great Allied victories in the war as one of coordination. The Axis was never coordinated. We were. "You're responsible for this territory. I'm responsible for this territory. I'm responsible for this bit of industrial production. That guy is responsible for transport" and on and on - truly an achievement.

So great was the industrial output of the United States that Russians referred to trucks as "Studebakers" for some time during and after the war as a generic expression. According to a VD Hanson lecture to which I listened, a German officer was quoted as never again wanting to see a "Russian robot astride an American truck."

Many thanks to everyone still alive who fought, produced and thought their way to victory and secured our future for subsequent generations.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2019 11:11 AM (I2dne)

32 and America brought to bear its martial ferocity combined"

I'm glad you didn't write "marital ferocity".

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2019 11:12 AM (Kpl3J)

33 Something I learned at the cemetery in Normandy. If you were killed and your family wanted your remains sent back to the states, they had to pay for the shipping. Otherwise you were buried in one of the US cemeteries in Europe.
I was shocked at that.
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Well, we sure as hell weren't going to pay for it.

Posted by: Charles de Gaulle at June 06, 2019 11:12 AM (j84Xz)

34 We are forever in their debt. Teenagers facing that hell, can't picture myself being there, doing the job they did.

Posted by: zeera with a new book, link in nic at June 06, 2019 11:12 AM (T9rmq)

35 Go there, pay respect. Before Muslim's wipe it off the earth

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Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 11:13 AM (BqBId)

37 Well, we sure as hell weren't going to pay for it.
Posted by: Charles de Gaulle at June 06, 2019 11:12 AM (j84Xz)

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You paid for in in the end Frenchie...

Posted by: IP at June 06, 2019 11:13 AM (cn3ZE)

38 My regular mechanic's father fought in the Pacific. He told me he was slated to go on the invasion of the Japanese islands in late 1945, and that he and all his fellow soldiers were sure they would die. They knew they would have to fight not only soldiers like themselves, but civilians and women and children.

When the word came that the Japanese had surrendered because of the A-bombs, he said, "I was never so relieved and grateful in my life."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2019 11:13 AM (ClOmq)

39 Trump delivered a beautiful and moving speech this morning

Indeed. One fully expects to hear of the lifeless form of Peggy "Drunk Before" Noonan hanging from a mill-beam somewhere on Long Island.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2019 11:13 AM (8ZmvG)

40 My mom is 97, 98 in August. I need to call her and ask her what she thought of the 97 year old jumping.

A few years ago she introduced me to one of her friends at the retirement resort, one of the pilots who flew in the Berlin airlift.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:13 AM (nRWPy)

41 This smart military blog seems a good place to ask a longstanding question: why were Utah and Omaha so bad compared to Sword, Gold, and Juno?

The Brits and Canucks fought but they didn't face the same kind of slaughter. Someone told me that the naval artillery just f-ed up on our beaches. Dunno.

Was it just luck of the draw? Did we choose the more difficult beaches? Was it the state of intelligence that no one really knew what was where?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:14 AM (fuK7c)

42 I thought Trump's speech was very good.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:14 AM (jsWA8)

43 @RyanAFournier

As many businesses have rushed to support abortion, Wendy's has announced that they will be raising funds to support adoption!

This is amazing!
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There is every fast food restaurant you can think of in my town....except Wendy's.

Posted by: Tami at June 06, 2019 11:14 AM (cF8AT)

44 They didn't build that!

Posted by: The Execrable Elizabeth Warren at June 06, 2019 11:15 AM (4Eo4+)

45 And to hear the whines of people today, you'd think what they're facing is so much worse.

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Posted by: A Millennial at June 06, 2019 11:15 AM (j84Xz)

46 Was at Pearl Harbor a few weeks back. It's an awe inspiring place, I can't imagine what Normandy is like and I hope to go there. Just watched Trump's speech. Extremely well done, and, darn my allergies are bad today. God bless those men and their families.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2019 11:15 AM (P9m8O)

47 Wolfus Aurelius, after reading Killing Patton and other works, I have a growing suspicion that FDR and the democrats then were not too dissimilar to the modern day libs. The precursor to the CIA and FBI, along with the suspected knowledge of FDR (like Obumanow with the soft coup), had their hands in wacking Gen Patton, who was preparing against the advancing commies.

Posted by: lwc at June 06, 2019 11:15 AM (G8lfi)

48
I got up early to watch Trumps speech.

He. Nailed. It.

Id compare it to Reagan's "Boys of Pointe Du Hoc" speech at the 40th.

Wow. I cant believe its been 35 years since Gipper gave that speech. Time marches on.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (8XRCm)

49 My step dad and my mom went to reunions for Army Corps of Engineers for many years ... he said something once about "if they are going to do something for the WW2 veterans, they better hurry up". I'm not sure what "promise" he was referring to ... he passed on about 6 years ago.

The generations out of mainland Europe after the war, hard to determine how much they were influenced by their heritage of having been occupied, then saved. They didn't have their own Battle of Britain victory, where they would "live free or die". Belgians/French had to surrender and submit ... and many of their best were killed if they resisted. That must be ingrained somewhere in their "cultural DNA".

Posted by: illiniwek at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (Cus5s)

50

Heros, displaying Toxic Masculinity.

Brave doesn't mean you aren't afraid. It means you go anyway.

Posted by: *salutes with deepest respect* at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (kKZcD)

51 Because of the open ground. Omaha was a 1/4 mile pure flat beach from the debark. with the high ground beyond that. The machine gunners had a field day. I saw an interview with a German, he said he fired over 15,000 rounds that morning.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (jsWA8)

52 @RyanAFournier

As many businesses have rushed to support abortion, Wendy's has announced that they will be raising funds to support adoption!

This is amazing!
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There is every fast food restaurant you can think of in my town....except Wendy's.
Posted by: Tami at June 06, 2019 11:14 AM (cF8AT)
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Wendy's has always been on the adoption course. Dave Thomas was adopted and made it his mission to improve adoption and placement and committed a lot of his wealth and name to doing so. As a child. I remember reading about Dave Thomas' adoption work on Wendy's table placards and paper placemats.

I am glad they are not yielding on it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (I2dne)

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I looked at some images of the America Cemetery in Normandy. I get worn out fighting tears over it all. I think if I were the First Lady everyone would make fun of me because I'd always be shedding tears or fighting tears at military cemeteries.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (M9ntN)

54 When the word came that the Japanese had surrendered because of the A-bombs, he said, "I was never so relieved and grateful in my life."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2019 11:13 AM (ClOmq)

My father in law was in the same group. After the slaughter on Okinawa, everyone knew that the mainland was going to be a bloodbath.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (Kpl3J)

55 We visited the WWII museum in New Orleans earlier this year. If you're ever there, it's well worth the time. It would take days to go through and do the museum justice. We're going back in September, so maybe we can visit again.

Hats off to the heroes who sacrificed.

One of my best friend's mom was a nurse in WWII. She was an immigrant from Puerto Rico. Her mom had died, leaving her dad with three little ones to care for. Her aunt lived in NYC and told the dad that she could take one of the children to raise. He chose my friend's mom and she got the golden ticket. His dad was also WWII, where they obviously met.

That was a different world.

Posted by: windbag at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (MAPkm)

56
If Wendell Willkie, a liberal, internationalist R, had taken the White House from FDR in 1940, say, would the Dems have fought him as savagely as they are now bucking Trump? Or were they saner back then?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

It was a much different Democratic party back then. All southern/conservative elements have been purged. As well, however misguided their policies, they didn't hate their country like modern Democrats.

During WWII, the Republican minority leaders in Congress were briefed on the Manhattan project so that funding could be secret.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (BWL+E)

57 Somebody in the art thread commented that, if Trump had been president during WWII, the Dems would have leaked D-Day plans to the Nazis. Today's Dems would for sure. But what about back then -- Roosevelt's party?

Their sympathies then as now laid with the communists. The left supported the war against the nazis because the commies were fighting the nazis even though there is only a hair's breadth of difference between the ideologies.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:17 AM (nRWPy)

58 As many businesses have rushed to support abortion, Wendy's has announced that they will be raising funds to support adoption!
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Wendy's has traditionally advocated for adoption. The founder was adopted.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 06, 2019 11:17 AM (vg8iE)

59 I'll crotch punch the first SJW who compares Antifa to these men.

Posted by: josephistan at June 06, 2019 11:18 AM (7HtZB)

60 After the slaughter on Okinawa, everyone knew that the mainland was going to be a bloodbath.

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We are still going thru the Purple Heart medals that were manufactured in anticipation of the invasion.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:18 AM (8XRCm)

61 47
Wolfus Aurelius, after reading Killing Patton and other works, I have a
growing suspicion that FDR and the democrats then were not too
dissimilar to the modern day libs. The precursor to the CIA and FBI,
along with the suspected knowledge of FDR (like Obumanow with the soft
coup), had their hands in wacking Gen Patton, who was preparing against
the advancing commies.

Posted by: lwc at June 06, 2019
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So you think that Willkie, let alone a really conservative R president, like Coolidge, would have aroused the Dems of 1940 -1944 to a frenzy not unlike what we see today? To the point that the Dems would have put FDR back up as a candidate in '44, or a liberal like Henry Wallace, even if it meant losing the war?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2019 11:19 AM (ClOmq)

62 Getting soldiers off of those boats and into the teeth of enemy fire was easier than getting Millenials (AKA Generation Shit-4-Brains) out of their parents' houses and into the workforce.

Posted by: Independent Jorge at June 06, 2019 11:19 AM (4Eo4+)

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Was it just luck of the draw? Did we choose the more difficult beaches? Was it the state of intelligence that no one really knew what was where?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Overcast, misdirection, poor sighting of naval and air ordnance.

A conspiracy of circumstances, really. The weather was not good.

There is an adage, 'No plan of battle survives first contact with the enemy'.

Posted by: A Millennial at June 06, 2019 11:19 AM (j84Xz)

64 They just depleted the Purple Hears a year or so ago Fix

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:19 AM (jsWA8)

65 Dad: Son, I have to tell you, you were adopted.15yo Son: Really? Who are my real parents?Dad: We're your real parents, you new family picks you up in an hour.

Posted by: IP at June 06, 2019 11:19 AM (cn3ZE)

66 The left supported the war against the nazis because the commies were fighting the nazis even though there is only a hair's breadth of difference between the ideologies.

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There were PLENTY of leftists that initially supported Hitler.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:20 AM (8XRCm)

67 Wendy's has always been on the adoption course. Dave Thomas was adopted and made it his mission to improve adoption and placement and committed a lot of his wealth and name to doing so.

I am glad they are not yielding on it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

That's it! I knew he had something to do with adoption.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2019 11:20 AM (o+pgY)

68 Format fail... dammit

Posted by: IP at June 06, 2019 11:20 AM (cn3ZE)

69 @RyanAFournier

As many businesses have rushed to support abortion, Wendy's has announced that they will be raising funds to support adoption!

This is amazing!

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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 11:20 AM (+y/Ru)

70 We visited the WWII museum in New Orleans earlier this year. If you're ever there, it's well worth the time. It would take days to go through and do the museum justice. We're going back in September, so maybe we can visit again.

Hats off to the heroes who sacrificed.
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Posted by: windbag at June 06, 2019 11:16 AM (MAPkm)
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While not specific to WWII or D-Day, one of the best war memorials I have ever seen is in Columbus, IN. If you're ever in the area, stop and walk through it. Give yourself some time. It's excellent. It is designed as concrete pillars with letters home from men who died shortly after writing them engraved in the surfaces. It is a heart-rending memorial and a real insight into the thoughts and priorities of those men in conflicts over time. The entire park that is anchors is an understated testament to the veterans and war dead of the city.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2019 11:20 AM (I2dne)

71 They just depleted the Purple Hears a year or so ago Fix
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:19 AM (jsWA

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I did not know that. Thanks for the tidbit.

Still an amazing factoid.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:20 AM (8XRCm)

72 Well said CBD. Very well said.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:21 AM (u82oZ)

73 I'll crotch punch the first SJW who compares Antifa to these men.
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Well, those fighting global warming are just as brave.

Posted by: AOC at June 06, 2019 11:21 AM (j84Xz)

74 I wonder what % of men that landed that day made it to surrender?.....<40% I'd wager.

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2019 11:21 AM (ykq7q)

75 Or were they saner back then?

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Posted by: Total Control Racist at June 06, 2019 11:21 AM (ECDcF)

76 Willowed:

Pence is speaking at the D Day Memorial in Bedford, VA. If you haven't been there and wonder if it is worth it, it is.

Posted by: Quint at June 06, 2019 11:19 AM (n13/j)

Posted by: Quint at June 06, 2019 11:21 AM (n13/j)

77 On this solemn day, let us not forget the contributions to victory made by the community activists, the transgendered, the climate and diversity Vice Chancellors, the Women's Studies professors, the lobbyists and the various talking heads and political consultants.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2019 11:08 AM (BWL+E)

Racist. You forgot all of the peoples of colors who landed at Normandy. Only to have whitey take credit for taking the beaches

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (OLCnA)

78 Will America save Europe in WWIII?

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Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (BqBId)

80 The men in the photo above resolved to win the war, and they knew that
in the process many of them would not return home. But they did it by
mastering their fear, but relying on each other, by knowing that their
country and the world needed them to be giants that day

Well said.

I had some snark, but this isn't the time.

I think I'll sit this thread out.

God bless those men. God bless America.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (Ki5SV)

81 41 This smart military blog seems a good place to ask a longstanding question: why were Utah and Omaha so bad compared to Sword, Gold, and Juno?

The Brits and Canucks fought but they didn't face the same kind of slaughter. Someone told me that the naval artillery just f-ed up on our beaches. Dunno.

Was it just luck of the draw? Did we choose the more difficult beaches? Was it the state of intelligence that no one really knew what was where?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:14 AM (fuK7c)

I've seen a well thought out analysis that holds that this was because both Utah and Omaha were within range of the guns at the Maizy Battery, a large German artillery complex which for some reason was overlooked by the D-Day planners and was not knocked out until D-Day +3. This same man had evidence that the guns which were supposed to be on top of Pointe Du Hoc had been removed and relocated to Maizy shortly before the invasion, a distance of about 1.5 miles.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (Kpl3J)

82 48 I got up early to watch Trumps speech.

He. Nailed. It.

Id compare it to Reagan's "Boys of Pointe Du Hoc" speech at the 40th.

Wow. I cant believe its been 35 years since Gipper gave that speech. Time marches on.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019
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Imagine if you will that the 75th anniversary had fallen during Obongo's time as president instead of during Trump's. When you've finished shuddering, please suggest what kind of blather he would have tossed out. (Or did he, during the 70th anniversary? I can't recall if there was a big commemoration of that.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (ClOmq)

83 As Admiral Yamamoto famously said, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
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He also predicted that, after Pearl Harbor, he would run wild "for six months." As today also marks the end of the Battle of Midway in 1942, he was one day off.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (VaN/j)

84 @31 Our Studebaker club hosted a veteran who, when the ASTP evaporated under him, got assigned to an engineer unit whose job it was to assemble the "TKD" Studebaker US6's at Oman...and deliver them to Leningrad. Why, yes, he did have quite a few stories.

The one that struck me though, was, when the assignment finally ended, they were on a ship for home. At Suez their commander was summoned to a meeting with a high-ranking officer -- and they all knew they wuz skrood.

The advantage of their years of meritorious service ("You know, you weren't actually in combat -- you were way behind the Russian lines") was that they got to invade France from the south, and "fight under Patton." He still spent about a year and a half in those theaters beyond what the papers called for.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (8ZmvG)

85 Pence is speaking at the D Day Memorial in Bedford, VA. If you haven't been there and wonder if it is worth it, it is.

Posted by: Quint
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Home of the Bedford Boys?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (j84Xz)

86 Their sympathies then as now laid with the communists. The left supported the war against the nazis because the commies were fighting the nazis even though there is only a hair's breadth of difference between the ideologies.
Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:17 AM (nRWPy)

The flip flops by the CPUSA, including that insipid banjo strummer Pete Seeger, before and after the violation of the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty were hilarious in retrospect, particularly how they claimed to be independent of the rooskis.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (y7DUB)

87 I once saw an interview of a Marine who waded through a half mile of the surf to get to the beach at Tarawa. The interviewer asked how he went forward through automatic weapons fire. He said it was either that or go back to that damn ship.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (gC2IV)

88 There's a saying about the 29th There are 3 29th Divisions, 1 in the Grave, 1 in the Hospital, and 1 in the field. That's how many that unit lost. 20,000

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:24 AM (jsWA8)

89
@RyanAFournier

As many businesses have rushed to support abortion, Wendy's has announced that they will be raising funds to support adoption!

This is amazing!

The founder of Wendy's, Dave Thomas, was adopted and always a big supporter of adoption.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2019 11:24 AM (aKsyK)

90 84 Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (8ZmvG)
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Fascinating, thank you.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2019 11:24 AM (I2dne)

91 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at June 06, 2019 11:24 AM (1XAal)

92 Insty linked a RCP article on people complaining about Mueller's scorched earth tactics.

Too bad the cuckGOP is too enamored of how great a guy Mooler is to ever hold him accountable.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 11:24 AM (JziUy)

93 When you've finished shuddering, please suggest what kind of blather he would have tossed out.

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Probably would've apologized to the long-dead Soviet Union for not opening a Western Front earlier, and made sure to bash on England for it too.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 11:24 AM (AzW6q)

94 Merica!

Posted by: Yo! at June 06, 2019 11:25 AM (1XAal)

95 Bob Seger >>>>> Pete Seeger

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (AzW6q)

96 94 Merica!]/I\

Fuck Yeah

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (jsWA8)

97
Probably would've apologized to the long-dead
Soviet Union for not opening a Western Front earlier, and made sure to
bash on England for it too.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019
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*
. . .

And Mooch would have been seen to mutter, "All this for some dead white guys. . . ."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (ClOmq)

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (jsWA8)

99 Bandersnatch

I can answer that, based on a lecture I attended Tuesday night. {reprise and mildly edited}

Went to the Eisenhower Presidential Library to hear a lecture by Dr. Adrian Lewis; Omaha Beach: A Flawed Victory.

A very well delivered essay. He is a full Professor of Military History at the University of Kansas, which supports Ft. Leavenworth's Command and General Staff College, and is one of only 5 universities that gives PhDs in military history in the US.

The answer is the beaches were selected in 1943 by Generals Morgan, British Army, and Gen. Butler, USA. At the time, Omaha Beach was defended by the weak 716 static division. By 1944, and at the request of General Rommel, the beach was defended by the 352 German Infantry Division, a much stronger unit.

I got labeled a smart guy for my questions. And I noted to him afterwards three errors. It is times like these that make me realize how deep my knowledge of WWII is. And I still know a lot less than Anna Puma.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (u82oZ)

100 I love how Trump said the men behind me came home after war and built a country. Amen. His speech was outstanding. I hope to stand on that hallowed ground someday and salute them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (P9m8O)

101 As today also marks the end of the Battle of Midway in 1942, he was one day off.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (VaN/j)

Levin talked about the significance of Midway and how it gets overlooked. It really turned things around in the Pacific.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (y7DUB)

102 The men who scaled the cliffs at Pointe du Hoc, or those who landed in those flimsy Higgins boats on the beaches at Omaha and Utah, into the teeth of a stubborn German defense are mostly gone. Some are buried above the beach in the American Cemetery, most have been laid to rest all over America, and all should be remembered forever.
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Beautifully put, CBD. Amen.

Posted by: bluebell at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (aXucN)

103 Democrats to Millennials:

Under Trump you'll have a job but avocados will cost more

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (E5lGr)

104 Pffft, as if that's heroic. Dude, last weekend my internet went down for 3 hours. THREE FUCKING HOURS!!! I almost literally died. That's heroism. Not what these toxic masculin cis white men did.
- Today's 23 year old

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (FiUMj)

105 whew close one

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (jsWA8)

106 75 They have reversed positions but the public so far has not caught on that democrats bring recessions

Posted by: Total Control Racist at June 06, 2019 11:21 AM (ECDcF)

The first thing Democrats do is increase taxes "to pay down the debt", then increase spending. That brings on the recession. Remember the $3T deficit to save the infrastructure which got spent on inner city graft.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2019 11:27 AM (mpXpK)

107 I still and never will figure out how the same people who fought WWII elected Barky. I know that there is generational change, but still.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:27 AM (nRWPy)

108
When you've finished shuddering, please suggest what kind of blather he would have tossed out.

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Probably some shit about leading from behind, times have changed, winning the war didnt give us the right to lead the peace, we abused our role, committed oppression, we're sorry, we been a bad country.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:27 AM (8XRCm)

109 /SALUTE

Posted by: Don Q at June 06, 2019 11:27 AM (NgKpN)

110 92 Insty linked a RCP article on people complaining about Mueller's scorched earth tactics.

Too bad the cuckGOP is too enamored of how great a guy Mooler is to ever hold him accountable.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 11:24 AM (JziUy)

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He's a super straight up guy who is a Marine dude. I mean come on.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 06, 2019 11:28 AM (FiUMj)

111 So you think that Willkie, let alone a really conservative R president,
like Coolidge, would have aroused the Dems of 1940 -1944 to a frenzy not
unlike what we see today? To the point that the Dems would have put FDR
back up as a candidate in '44, or a liberal like Henry Wallace, even if
it meant losing the war?_______________________________________________________
Well, the dems then were committed to the war against Nazis. Who knows , if there was a Republican president, the years after WWII would be very different - more adamant support for the dubious ally Soviet Union. Even without a Republican in power, both outspoken (anti-left) Gens Patton and MacArthur were sacked one way or another, Eastern Europe sacrificed to USSR along with Republic of China to the communist cadres (Mao and the gang) that Stalin nurtured in Western Asia when all were distracted by Japan incursions... At the very least, more hot air and obstruction by Dems when US tries to limit USSR's power by a Repub pres.

Posted by: lwc at June 06, 2019 11:28 AM (G8lfi)

112 The guys in that picture know what "first" really meant.

We're just a bunch of Morons.

Posted by: mikeski at June 06, 2019 11:28 AM (P1f+c)

113 Bob Seger >>>>> Pete Seeger
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (AzW6q)

That's a no-brainer. I always hated that phony Stalinist, banjo-playing fraud.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 11:28 AM (NFEMn)

114 I loved the Trump interview with the Churchill hat on. Lefties flipped their shit.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 11:28 AM (jsWA8)

115 Biden said yesterday or the day before that he'd end the tax cuts to "pay for" something stupid, I don't remember what. Not understanding that tax cuts bring in more revenue seems to be a chromosomal defect with these retards.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:28 AM (nRWPy)

116 While not specific to WWII or D-Day, one of the best war memorials I have ever seen is in Columbus, IN. If you're ever in the area, stop and walk through it. Give yourself some time. It's excellent. It is designed as concrete pillars with letters home from men who died shortly after writing them engraved in the surfaces. It is a heart-rending memorial and a real insight into the thoughts and priorities of those men in conflicts over time. The entire park that is anchors is an understated testament to the veterans and war dead of the city.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2019 11:20 AM (I2dne)

Thanks for the tip. I love the personal side of history. Reading about this battle or that strategy is one thing, but seeing it from the perspective of those living through it is what really drives it home for me.

Posted by: windbag at June 06, 2019 11:28 AM (MAPkm)

117 I love how Trump said the men behind me came home after war and built a country. Amen. His speech was outstanding. I hope to stand on that hallowed ground someday and salute them.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (P9m8O)

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Beautifully made the case for American exceptionalism without braggadocio.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:29 AM (8XRCm)

118 And Mooch would have been seen to mutter, "All this for some dead white guys. . . ."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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So, someone did something. Big deal.

Posted by: Ilhan Omar at June 06, 2019 11:29 AM (j84Xz)

119 Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (u82oZ)

Thanks.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:29 AM (fuK7c)

120 Was it just luck of the draw? Did we choose the more difficult beaches? Was it the state of intelligence that no one really knew what was where?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Failure of intelligence on how many fortified bunkers and machine gun nests. It was a slaughter at Omaha..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 06, 2019 11:29 AM (so+oy)

121 OK. I'm sorta a tough guy. Ask my wife.

But Trumps speech at Omaha made me tear up. It was that good.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:30 AM (u82oZ)

122 41 This smart military blog seems a good place to ask a longstanding question: why were Utah and Omaha so bad compared to Sword, Gold, and Juno?

The Brits and Canucks fought but they didn't face the same kind of slaughter. Someone told me that the naval artillery just f-ed up on our beaches. Dunno.

Was it just luck of the draw? Did we choose the more difficult beaches? Was it the state of intelligence that no one really knew what was where?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:14 AM (fuK7c)

Utah was okay. It was Omaha that was FUBAR. The German division there was a regular one and not a second rate one. The current caused the boats to miss their designated landing beaches and the the naval bombardment failed to knock out much of the defenses. And the Germans fought well. Frankly, many of the coxswains piloting the landing craft did not want to go too far into German fire so they discharged the troops early, forcing many to wade in with heavy gear in water shoulder high or higher - many drowned. The beach obstacles also caused problems. What saved Omaha were individuals getting up and General Cota rallying men.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at June 06, 2019 11:30 AM (QMwOT)

123 Racist. You forgot all of the peoples of colors who landed at Normandy. Only to have whitey take credit for taking the beaches

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (OLCnA)

Some of the "documentaries" I've seen lately seem to be trying to remedy that. At the end of their "interviews", they'll pot their unit as "Quartermaster Corps".

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2019 11:30 AM (ykq7q)

124 He's a super straight up guy who is a Marine dude. I mean come on.

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this comment is a clear obstruction of justice, prepare to be raided.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 11:30 AM (JziUy)

125 114 I loved the Trump interview with the Churchill hat on. Lefties flipped their shit.

He gave a great speech today... we better put him in jail! At least that's what SanFranNan says... I'm still trying to figure out what law he broke other than being elected while being Donald Trump

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (O2RFr)

126 Was not one of Omaha beaches SNAFU was they had no tanks?

Posted by: Yo! at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (1XAal)

127 Then our unworthy selves somehow got Obuma elected twice and gave him the opportunity to kowtow to the Jap emperor and apologize for dropping the A-bombs. Ugh,

Posted by: lwc at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (G8lfi)

128 damn it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (bcbK8)

129

Dumbo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Trumbo

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (aKsyK)

130 79 Reporter: Steele "Incredibly Concerned" About DOJ FISA Investigation - Dan Bongino

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (BqBId)

He should not be "thrown under the bus". He should be thrown under the jail.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (mpXpK)

131 *goes to barrel*

I blame Sabaton

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (bcbK8)

132 . Barrel time

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (O2RFr)

133 My apologies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (bcbK8)

134 I still and never will figure out how the same people who fought WWII elected Barky. I know that there is generational change, but still.
Posted by: dagny
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Many Democrats still think that they are voting for Truman.

Posted by: Ilhan Omar at June 06, 2019 11:32 AM (j84Xz)

135
And Mooch would have been seen to mutter, "All this for some dead white guys. . . ."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

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While wearing a bright yellow sleveless dress with her white powerlifting belt around her waist and a big floppy hat festooned with day old peonys in it.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:32 AM (8XRCm)

136 I hope to stand on that hallowed ground someday and salute them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (P9m8O)

I mentioned above that the people in Normandy are not the Parisians who sneer at America. They remember.

I am trying to arrange a last-minute visit, and it is almost impossible to find a place to stay...the area is a very popular destination for many people.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 06, 2019 11:32 AM (wYseH)

137 Oops /raghead

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 06, 2019 11:32 AM (j84Xz)

138 Did someone repost the whole thread?

Awesome!

That happens ....

Posted by: Yo! at June 06, 2019 11:32 AM (1XAal)

139 ♫ Roll out the Barrel . . . ♬

Posted by: bluebell at June 06, 2019 11:33 AM (aXucN)

140 MAE.... Come to me.... I'll set you free...

Posted by: Barrel at June 06, 2019 11:33 AM (cn3ZE)

141
damn.

Some body fed the blog thru the replicator.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 11:33 AM (8XRCm)

142 78 Will America save Europe in WWIII?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (KxDWt)

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No.

We'll have our own problems to deal with.

Posted by: SMH at June 06, 2019 11:33 AM (RU4sa)

143 Well, it's a good thread. We can all read it twice.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:33 AM (fuK7c)

144 Giants with giant frigging balls. The SJWs and soyboys aren't even fit to be these dude's sandbags.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 06, 2019 11:33 AM (9Om/r)

145 this reminds me of when I was a kid and my brother did something really dumb... first reaction every time was A HA HA HA I didn't do it!!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2019 11:33 AM (Kpl3J)

146 142
78 Will America save Europe in WWIII?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (KxDWt)

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No.

We'll have our own problems to deal with.
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Only if someone set up a safe space in Europe will the spawns of baby boomers go.

Posted by: lwc at June 06, 2019 11:34 AM (G8lfi)

147 Replicants replicate?

Posted by: IP at June 06, 2019 11:34 AM (cn3ZE)

148 78 Will America save Europe in WWIII?

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Europe has already lost WW3 to the invading armies from the middle east and Africa.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 06, 2019 11:35 AM (FiUMj)

149 Nazi punks, Nazi punks, Nazi punks...

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 06, 2019 11:35 AM (kod69)

150 Hind sight is 20/20 but they knew that they would be receiving fire on the beaches with no cover. With all of the other innovations I always wondered why they didn't drop / parachute 'cover' onto the beaches. I guess they didn't want to give the landing forces an opportunity to stop their advance by taking cover is the only thing I can think of.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 06, 2019 11:35 AM (KtcMg)

151 Today, those young men are considered "children" by the government.

I'm not really sure we're progressing as a society.

Posted by: shibumi at June 06, 2019 11:35 AM (sktRI)

152 131 79 Reporter: Steele "Incredibly Concerned" About DOJ FISA Investigation - Dan Bongino

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 11:22 AM (BqBId)

He should not be "thrown under the bus". He should be thrown under the jail.
Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (mpXpK)

Foreign Agent interfering in an American Election?

Why worry, right?

Posted by: Don Q at June 06, 2019 11:35 AM (NgKpN)

153 Before I entered the Service, I went from Bayeux to Omaha Beach on a a rented SNCF bike. I had never heard of the US Cemetery there before.

Left a very deep impression on me.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:36 AM (u82oZ)

154 78 Will America save Europe in WWIII?

Nuke the muzzies and the world's problems decrease dramatically.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at June 06, 2019 11:36 AM (QMwOT)

155 Many Democrats still think that they are voting for Truman.
Posted by: Ilhan Omar at June 06, 2019 11:32 AM (j84Xz)

Yeah, I used to tell the old guy across the street that "FDR is dead" and you're voting for the equivalent of Trotsky. But he just kept democratin' on. He was actually one of those men who invaded Normandy. At his funeral they completely ignored that fact and talked about his organizing LBJ's funeral, standing next to the UN flag at his methodist church. Shame really.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:36 AM (nRWPy)

156 101 As today also marks the end of the Battle of Midway in 1942, he was one day off.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 11:23 AM (VaN/j)

Levin talked about the significance of Midway and how it gets overlooked. It really turned things around in the Pacific.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 11:26 AM (y7DUB)

The 7th fleet admiral came down the the first class mess one afternoon and gave us a lecture on the battle of Midway from a Navy perspective.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2019 11:36 AM (mpXpK)

157 Foreign Agent interfering in an American Election?

***

You mean... COLLUSION?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 11:37 AM (GEpFD)

158 How we to save Europe again when we are being invaded right now?

Last months border apprentions were about the size of the Normandy invasion ...

Posted by: Yo! at June 06, 2019 11:37 AM (1XAal)

159 Vic

What was his takeaway message? Good Intel? OPSEC? Everyone that flies fights to the death?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:38 AM (u82oZ)

160 There is a link at Powerline to an article "First wave at Omaha Beach" from The Atlantic written in 1960.

Well worth the read.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 06, 2019 11:38 AM (Qyj93)

161 Probably would've apologized to the long-dead
Soviet Union for not opening a Western Front earlier

Well that one scratches a scab. It was WJ Clinton who said we could have made it to the death camps sooner. I dropped him a little note on that.

My father liberated a couple of death camps, and also a POW camp that contained prisoners from his own unit. His answer to Mr President Clinton was that he was going as fast as he could. For a while there -- about 12 back-and-forths in a deuce, at Remagen -- that was pretty damned fast.

I still want to see that mealy mouthed son of a whore nutted gutted and grovelling, just for that one little quip.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2019 11:38 AM (8ZmvG)

162 Left a very deep impression on me.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:36 AM (u82oZ)

It is a wonderful and somber place.

I saw it as a kid, and then again about 10 years ago. I walked along the back side of the cemetery (not through the front gate), and turned a corner and saw the entire cemetery...row upon row upon row of markers. It was shocking.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 06, 2019 11:38 AM (wYseH)

163 It was WJ Clinton who said we could have made it to the death camps sooner.

***

"Ah never said that!"

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 11:40 AM (GEpFD)

164 The chances of me going to Europe, much less Normandy, is pretty much slim to none, so it's nice to read memories of those that did get to visit those hallowed grounds.

Thanks CBD and the rest of y'all.

Posted by: SMH at June 06, 2019 11:40 AM (RU4sa)

165 "Or did he, during the 70th anniversary? I can't recall if there was a big commemoration of that"

My fb feed this morning had several posts from D-loon relatives, who seem to be uniformly commemorating this anniversary by reposting Obama's speech at the 70th.

To them, that is more significant than the actual event being remembered

Posted by: barbarausa at June 06, 2019 11:41 AM (W7IZQ)

166 So John ketchup Kerry was there? WTF for? traitor

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:41 AM (O2RFr)

167 Just a generalized rant that I didn't post on Memorial Day -- Grandpa was WWI vet, served in France, and aside from his PH and Croix, he had the beautiful Victory Medal (walking Liberty) with bars for his battles. The ribbon for WWI is a rainbow.

May the rainbow flag creeps repent.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 06, 2019 11:41 AM (MIKMs)

168
I cannot understand for the life of me how they just relied on the Air Corps and RAF heavies and mediums to destroy the bunkers and beach defenses when the closest bomb hit 5 miles inland.

Why did they not rely on close air support from P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons and Tempests to come in and take out the emplacements with rockets and dive bombing? Especially since we had total air supremacy on that day all over Normandy.

Omaha might not have been the slaughterhouse it became. That was monumentally poor planning that was IMHO the worst blunder of the entire operation.

Tragic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ)

169 I hope we are never in a situation to require this level of resolve in our lifetimes..

I have sincere doubts the younger generation has it in them. A significant portion of the younger generation has been jaded and effeminized by the marxists in our education system.

Posted by: McCool at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (KvRqW)

170 ...standing next to the UN flag at his methodist church...

Wait, what? Is that a Methodist thing, or a personal for him thing, or what?

Posted by: human at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (0CeRG)

171 Margins blown again??

Posted by: Yo! at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (1XAal)

172 We'll have our own problems to deal with.

The Democrats.

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (vtcmf)

173 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ)

I agree with that head scratcher also.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (KtcMg)

174 I am trying to arrange a last-minute visit, and it is almost impossible to find a place to stay...the area is a very popular destination for many people.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 06, 2019 11:32 AM

Let me know how it goes. I was at Pearl a few weeks back and it was chilling. I can't imagine what Normandy will be like.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (P9m8O)

175 In about ten years, the PM of France will be named Mohammed and there will be a push to destroy the cemeteries.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (gC2IV)

176 something else for the open thread, from insty, common core killed achievement in every category. not to shabby.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (JziUy)

177 CharlieBrown'sDildo

And the ages -- so young. Lots of young men with their lives ahead of them.

That is one reason Saving Private Ryan moved me so.

It depicted about a battalion of troops going in. Only about 1/6th or 1/7th of the real thing.

At the end of the movie, the question was "Did I lead a life worth for those I left in the ground here?" Poignant.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (u82oZ)

178 I have sincere doubts the younger generation has it in them.

The "new" ones taking over are indoctrinated Socialist snowflakes and non- English speakers... We'd be screwed

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (O2RFr)

179 Why did they not rely on close air support from
P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons and Tempests to come in and take out the
emplacements with rockets and dive bombing?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ)

A partial explanation is that the weather was still crap for flying.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 06, 2019 11:44 AM (wYseH)

180 I still want to see that mealy mouthed son of a whore nutted gutted and grovelling, just for that one little quip.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2019 11:38 AM (8ZmvG

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Yeah, it's by and large a bullshit criticism. But here's the thing - if the "blame" lays anywhere for that, it's with Democrat demigod FDR. He was the one who dismissed that as a war priority. People can argue all day about whether that was right (I'm inclined to think it likely was), but it was his decision.

I don't know why Billy Jeff went there.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 11:44 AM (AzW6q)

181 "Will America save Europe in WWIII?"

in a sense, PsyOp WW3 began before the end of WW2. We've been losing it here ever since ... most noticeably when "McCarthyism" became a dirty word for people imagine a commie behind every Bush. But there really was a Soviet infiltration ... which is now joined by the China infiltration (of culture and economies).

At this point ... after all that, the oligarchs/globalists have emerged and their TechGiants and BigBiz Finance is running US from within. They are not massing troops at the border, they are sending in more illegals than ever ... largely military aged men.

The left's denials/projections are at fever pitch ... it is now open invasion ... AOC is kinda right ... this is our (PsyOp) D-Day ... a lot is on the line right now, the left has gone to the mattresses.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (Cus5s)

182 I have sincere doubts the younger generation has it in them. A significant portion of the younger generation has been jaded and effeminized by the marxists in our education system.

Posted by: McCool at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (KvRqW)

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Not to mention, too fat, too dumb, and too doped up.

Posted by: SMH at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (RU4sa)

183 175 In about ten years, the PM of France will be named Mohammed and there will be a push to destroy the cemeteries.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (gC2IV)

Well our President was named Hussein so probably so.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (KtcMg)

184 170 ...standing next to the UN flag at his methodist church...

Wait, what? Is that a Methodist thing, or a personal for him thing, or what?
Posted by: human at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (0CeRG)

No idea, I only go to other churches for weddings and funerals. I'm betting the local episcopagans have a rainbow flag.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (nRWPy)

185 I don't know why Billy Jeff went there.

***

I do. In true Democrat fashion, he was pandering.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (GEpFD)

186 I still want to see that mealy mouthed son of a whore nutted gutted and grovelling, just for that one little quip.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2019 11:38 AM (8ZmvG)

Slick and Gaylord both illustrated the downside of growing up without a father and a slut mother.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (y7DUB)

187 173 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ)

I agree with that head scratcher also.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (KtcMg)

Was even thinking that along with Mulberry and the Higgins boats, perhaps flat-bottomed DE's or PT boats fitted out with 40mm, 75 or even 105 mm gun mounts could get in close and pulverize the pill boxes.

But no close air support - considering how promising it was in the Pacific to that point (it would come into its own the next year at Iwo and Okinawa) - was a crime.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (zBaqJ)

188
175 In about ten years, the PM of France will be named Mohammed and there will be a push to destroy the cemeteries.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (gC2IV)

The Brit WWII cemeteries in Libya managed to remain unmolested for Qaddafi's whole reign. Then they got wrecked pretty soon after we brought democracy there.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 06, 2019 11:46 AM (N4xQB)

189 Levin talked about the significance of Midway and how it gets overlooked. It really turned things around in the Pacific.

We had, what, three carriers at Midway, and a year later we had a dozen, and a year after that we had the Pacific blanketed with them?

Posted by: JEM at June 06, 2019 11:46 AM (8erNz)

190 I don't know why Billy Jeff went there.

He went on the 50th right? Didn't he do some fake rock cross on the beach thing?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:46 AM (O2RFr)

191 I'm always worried about using the word "victory" because, you know, it invokes this notion of Chancellor Hitler coming down and signing this surrender to Gen Eisenhower.

Posted by: Barky at June 06, 2019 11:47 AM (uIEtm)

192 Good news: California has decided to ban hotel soaps and shampoos, you know those little single serving bottles. Cuz....SAVE THE ERF FROM PLASTICS!

The world get more insane daily.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 06, 2019 11:47 AM (FiUMj)

193 Only if someone set up a safe space in Europe will the spawns of baby boomers go. Posted by: lwc

I would love to have you meet my kids. Because you're obviously an expert.

You're lucky to have the internet. You wouldn't last long in the real world.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2019 11:47 AM (8ZmvG)

194 The other result of killing off contact sports is that the young men you produce are terrified of fighting and contact.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:47 AM (nRWPy)

195 179 Why did they not rely on close air support from
P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons and Tempests to come in and take out the
emplacements with rockets and dive bombing?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ)

A partial explanation is that the weather was still crap for flying.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 06, 2019 11:44 AM (wYseH)

They had thousands of sorties flying a few days before and on the day of. Thank goodness Bradley ordered the destroyers close in to shore despite the risk or Omaha would've been a complete failure.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:47 AM (zBaqJ)

196 J.J. Sefton

We were not that good yet. Without firm phase lines, too much changce of blue on blue.

I noted in the lecture above that the Air Corp heavy bombers, which could have been a great help, missed.

The reason was the AAC commanders flew perpendicular to the beach. Miss the timing on the drop, which they did, and all the bombs miss. They were asked by Eisenhower to fly parallel to the beach, to avoid that. The AAC commanders all said no. To avoid AA fire,

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:47 AM (u82oZ)

197 And the ages -- so young. Lots of young men with their lives ahead of them.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:43 AM (u82oZ)

True...yet there was the other side of the coin. I remember seeing the graves of men who must have been in their 30s and 40s.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (wYseH)

198 I don't know why Billy Jeff went there.

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I do. In true Democrat fashion, he was pandering.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (GEpFD)

Just like getting in a trench w/rifle to defend Israel.

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (ykq7q)

199 We sure left a big carbon footprint that day. For some reason, France and the other Eurotrash didn't care. Well, with the exception of the Germans.

Posted by: Mike at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (WWn8/)

200 I remember as a kid watching the Memorial Day Parade and seeing the WW2 veterans marching. Our postmaster in the small town I grew up in lost an eye in the war, and wore an eye patch. Probably didn't think much about it back then, as I wasn't really into history like I am now. But "Social Studies" in high school was where I got my best grades. Don't remember learning much about the war in high school.

Posted by: Colin at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (vvPjM)

201 My dad landed at Omaha. He never spoke of it. He did tell me about a French family he stayed with, and that he gave them his rations because they were hungry.

in 1985, I was studying in Paris, and had a weekend trip to Normandy and Bretagne. We were at Omaha, walking along the beach when an older couple came up to me and asked if I knew (my dad's name.) They pulled his picture from 1944 out of the gentleman's wallet, and showed me. "You look just like him, but prettier!" the lady said. They told me that he had been billeted with them, and that some Americans weren't very nice, but he made sure they and their children ate before he took a bite. He protected them, helped them with rebuilding their house when he wasn't on duty, and apparently learned to speak pretty good French when he was with them.

It was a tremendous moment for me, to see how my dad affected someone I never imagined meeting. Also taught me that kindness is an incredibly valuable commodity.

Posted by: Moki at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (mFoNl)

202 192 Good news: California has decided to ban hotel soaps and shampoos, you know those little single serving bottles. Cuz....SAVE THE ERF FROM PLASTICS!

Guess they missed the report of who 90% of the plastic refuse is being dumped by... Asia

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (O2RFr)

203 the worst blunder of the entire operation.

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Depends on the definition of operation. The biggest inexplicable blunder was completely failing to plan for the hedgerows behind the beach. Kansas born Eisenhower might be forgiven but the limey officer corp had been all over France and Normandy for decades.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (+y/Ru)

204 154
78 Will America save Europe in WWIII?

Nuke the muzzies and the world's problems decrease dramatically.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at June 06, 2019 11:36 AM (QMwOT)
The only way I could get behind going back to Europe for the 3rd time to save their ass is to annex it. Europe becomes a U.S. territory.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (N39Ws)

205 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (zBaqJ)

I don't know if they planned for the paratroopers to take out the batteries and pill boxes but they got sidetracked. That wasn't something they should have counted on.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (KtcMg)

206 Why did they not rely on close air support from
P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons and Tempests to come in and take out the
emplacements with rockets and dive bombing? Especially since we had
total air supremacy on that day all over Normandy.

Omaha might not have been the slaughterhouse it became. That was
monumentally poor planning that was IMHO the worst blunder of the entire
operation.

Tragic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ)

I always wondered about that. I always wondered where the hell were the planes.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 06, 2019 11:49 AM (9Om/r)

207 Guess they missed the report of who 90% of the plastic refuse is being dumped by... Asia

***

Dat's rayciss.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 11:49 AM (GEpFD)

208 When I was 13 my dad took me, under duress, to see Midway the movie. I should rewatch it now. I'd get a lot more out of it than I did as a pissed off 13 year old girl who didn't want to be there.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:50 AM (nRWPy)

209 Depends on the definition of operation. The biggest inexplicable blunder was completely failing to plan for the hedgerows behind the beach. Kansas born Eisenhower might be forgiven but the limey officer corp had been all over France and Normandy for decades.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (+y/Ru)

Intelligence also did not anticipate the Germans flooding the area. Don't know how they could have overlooked that.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 06, 2019 11:50 AM (KtcMg)

210 Rest in Peace to all the men who died there fighting for freedom, or who fought and lived to see victory and their homeland again. The debt we owe them can never be repaid, but only honored.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 06, 2019 11:50 AM (wtvvX)

211 California has decided to ban hotel soaps and shampoos, you know those little single serving bottles. Cuz....SAVE THE ERF FROM PLASTICS!

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Virtue signal received.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 11:51 AM (+y/Ru)

212 Apparently Michael Flynn has fired all of his lawyers.

Maybe he's preparing to tell Mueller's team to GFY ?

Posted by: McCool at June 06, 2019 11:51 AM (KvRqW)

213 203 the worst blunder of the entire operation.

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Depends on the definition of operation. The biggest inexplicable blunder was completely failing to plan for the hedgerows behind the beach. Kansas born Eisenhower might be forgiven but the limey officer corp had been all over France and Normandy for decades.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (+y/Ru)

Yikes. That is true. But technically that's post-D Day. Then again, they thought they'd be 30 miles inland on D+1 so they'd've still got nailed and hung up in the beauxcage (sp).

Terrible.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:51 AM (zBaqJ)

214 159
Vic

What was his takeaway message? Good Intel? OPSEC? Everyone that flies fights to the death?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:38 AM (u82oZ)

The main message was the jockeying of ship positions to fight the Japanese fleet. I don't remember a "takeaway" message. That was a long long time ago. The Japanese intended to give the US another overwhelming defeat but instead lost all 4 of their aircraft carriers.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2019 11:51 AM (mpXpK)

215 Flynn fires lawyers

http://tinyurl.com/y437zd9j

Posted by: McCool at June 06, 2019 11:52 AM (KvRqW)

216 210
Rest in Peace to all the men who died there fighting for freedom, or who
fought and lived to see victory and their homeland again. The debt we
owe them can never be repaid, but only honored.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 06, 2019 11:50 AM (wtvvX)
Make it a point today to bow your head in prayer thanking the Good Lord for each and every one of them - those who died, those (few) who are still with us. May He grant them eternal rest - a rest well earned.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2019 11:52 AM (N39Ws)

217 CharlieBrown'sDildo

The British and their cab car system and Phantom recon did a better job of ground support in Normandy.

At least until we put a new commander in. Maj Gen. Quesada made a difference.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:52 AM (u82oZ)

218
Anyway, kudos to CBD for a fine essay.

And to all who served and those who perished. Seems the older I get the harder it is to control my emotions.

Later.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:52 AM (zBaqJ)

219
Why did they not rely on close air support from P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons and Tempests to come in and take out the emplacements with rockets and dive bombing?

Because the Allied troops wereclosely engaged with the enemy and dive bombing wasn't all that accurate. The P-47'sabd 38's were also pretty busy hitting German units surging towards the beachhead.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 06, 2019 11:52 AM (TAmPV)

220 The hedgerow question is a puzzler. Aerial photography made it look like normal fields bound by bushes. Fine, from an American perspective.

But how did the Brit hierarchy not know what the ground looked like?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (fuK7c)

221 We are losing what is left of the WWII Vets... Soon this will be forgotten.. Just look at 9/11...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (O2RFr)

222 in 1985, I was studying in Paris, and had a weekend trip to Normandy and Bretagne. We were at Omaha, walking along the beach when an older couple came up to me and asked if I knew (my dad's name.) They pulled his picture from 1944 out of the gentleman's wallet, and showed me. "You look just like him, but prettier!" the lady said. They told me that he had been billeted with them, and that some Americans weren't very nice, but he made sure they and their children ate before he took a bite. He protected them, helped them with rebuilding their house when he wasn't on duty, and apparently learned to speak pretty good French when he was with them.

It was a tremendous moment for me, to see how my dad affected someone I never imagined meeting. Also taught me that kindness is an incredibly valuable commodity.
Posted by: Moki at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (mFoNl)

That's an incredible story. I was there less than 10 years after that and people in Normandy are very friendly to Americans. Other places were too, but not like there.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (y7DUB)

223 But how did the Brit hierarchy not know what the ground looked like?

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To be fair, it'd been a while since they'd been there in person.

Posted by: IP at June 06, 2019 11:54 AM (cn3ZE)

224 Vic

Our forces were 10 NM away from the position of US forces in the IJN wargame before the fight. They lost carriers in that game, but the umpires did not allow that outcome. The IJN should have known. Alas for them.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:54 AM (u82oZ)

225 221 We are losing what is left of the WWII Vets... Soon this will be forgotten.. Just look at 9/11...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (O2RFr)

See my post yesterday about the last survivor of the Sobibor extermination camp escape passing away at 96.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:54 AM (zBaqJ)

226 "Intelligence also did not anticipate the Germans flooding the area. Don't know how they could have overlooked that."

Unknown unknowns. You can't anticipate everything, and trying just leads to analysis paralysis.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 06, 2019 11:55 AM (WJNvE)

227 pparently Michael Flynn has fired all of his lawyers.

Maybe he's preparing to tell Mueller's team to GFY ?
Posted by: McCool at June 06, 2019 11:51 AM (KvRqW)

Maybe Trump pardoned him and he doesn't need them anymore?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 11:55 AM (NFEMn)

228 220 The hedgerow question is a puzzler. Aerial photography made it look like normal fields bound by bushes. Fine, from an American perspective.

But how did the Brit hierarchy not know what the ground looked like?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (fuK7c)

Plus the French underground as well as our own OSS agents on the ground didn't tell us?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:55 AM (zBaqJ)

229 I think that the Obama admin targeted Flynn and that much of this spygate stuff was to target him and israel and be pro-Iran.

I'm pro Flynn winning this fight.

However, according to the DC upper echelon brass who know him personally, he's a loose cannon and they had bets on him making news or getting caught up in scandal.

Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:55 AM (nRWPy)

230 My Uncle Earl was in the first wave of Normandy landings and survived. Got to read some of the letters he sent to my grandmother. In the letters it seemed like not only was he trying to make every at home feel ok but trying to convince himself that he was going to be ok.

Uncle Bernard survived pacific theatre, Iwo Jima
Uncle Babe, Carlsons Raiders
Milton Crew survived Bataan death march and imprisonment.
Uncle Frank, Korea, Chosin Few

Just wanted to post this. Memorial Day as I understand is for the fallen in battle(?) and Veterans Day, now that all the above how passed on, how can I thank them. As I get older and understand more of what these guys went through, I can't believe they made it through what they did. I remember my Uncle Babe inparticular having a tough time coping for the rest of his life. Wish I could show share pictures of family functions of all the guys above together. I remember them as being hard men and tough as nails when I was a kid, and as I grew older and learned, I understand why.

Posted by: JROD at June 06, 2019 11:55 AM (yD9uA)

231 Bandersnatch

The answer is Monty and the UK forces was to take Caen the first day. That outflanks a lot of those hedgerow defense lines. Plus, Brits pre-war did not vacation in the hedgerow country. They went to other spots in France.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 11:56 AM (u82oZ)

232 Well I see the mailman just came by so I can go get the mail and bring the trashcan back from the curb.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2019 11:56 AM (mpXpK)

233
That's an incredible story. I was there less than 10 years after that and people in Normandy are very friendly to Americans. Other places were too, but not like there.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (y7DUB)

I don't think I would go to Paris now, but Normandy/Bretagne? Absolutely. They were lovely.

Posted by: Moki at June 06, 2019 11:57 AM (mFoNl)

234 222
That's an incredible story. I was there less than 10 years after that and people in Normandy are very friendly to Americans. Other places were too, but not like there.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (y7D

The people of Normandy and of Belgium in and around the towns of The Bulge have brought up their kids and grandkids to love Americans.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:57 AM (zBaqJ)

235 179 Why did they not rely on close air support from
P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons and Tempests to come in and take out the
emplacements with rockets and dive bombing?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ)
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Even with air superiority, it's hard to really suppress defensive positions. Ditto for naval bombardment.

BTW, I have seen it argued that AT FIRST the hedgerows worked in our favor, making a German counterattack more difficult. That would apply only in the opening phase, of course. But then they would face the same problems we did, but without airpower.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 11:57 AM (VaN/j)

236 Guess they missed the report of who 90% of the plastic refuse is being dumped by... Asia

Yes, but as third world nations, they are economically deprived. That means they can polllute as much as they want and it's OK. At least in liberalspeak.

Posted by: shibumi at June 06, 2019 11:57 AM (sktRI)

237
Obama went to Normandy because he confused Omaha Beach with Obama Beach....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:57 AM (zBaqJ)

238 http://bit.ly/2ZbKHHk
*******
Exclusive: AOC Gets Schooled On 'Domestic Terrorism' By FBI Official At Hearing - Sara A. Carter

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 11:57 AM (BqBId)

239
Now, I go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:58 AM (zBaqJ)

240 215 Flynn fires lawyers

http://tinyurl.com/y437zd9j
Posted by: McCool at June 06, 2019 11:52 AM (KvRqW)

That's a pretty fascinating move, I expect we'll see a thread on it soon. Not the kind of move a defendant would make if he's just gonna leave his guilty plea in place and accept a sentence.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2019 11:58 AM (Kpl3J)

241 127 Was not one of Omaha beaches SNAFU was they had no tanks?
Posted by: Yo! at June 06, 2019 11:31 AM (1XAal)

almost all of the Swim Shermans on Omaha sank. Read someplace they recovered some after the war. All of the swim valves were in the wrong position.

MIntenance error? Training error? Dont know.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 06, 2019 11:58 AM (zHGeC)

242 Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (nRWPy)

A quick DuckDuck gave me this:

https://tinyurl.com/y4hj27f9

Looks like Methodists in general don't give any special deference to the UN flag.

Posted by: human at June 06, 2019 11:58 AM (0CeRG)

243 That unmatched industrial might overwhelmed the Japanese and Germans by outbuilding their navies, their air forces and their armies. But those ships and planes and tanks and trucks were filled with American fighting men, without whom the war would have been lost.

When I was stationed in Germany in the late 70's I met an old German fellow who was a wireman/communications guy in the War. He was captured about a month after D-Day. He said that while being moved back to the beach to be evacuated to England, he and his fellow POWs watched the Army move ashore. They were stunned at the never-ending line of trucks and supplies going forward. He said he had never seen so many trucks. He knew then the war was lost.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2019 11:59 AM (axyOa)

244 Yamamoto said he would run wild for six months to a year, after that it was doubtful.

It was that feeling of a clock ticking that drove him to push for Operation Hawaii and Operation MI. Knock out the US ability to wage war as quickly as possible to secure what Japan needed and then get a peace settlement.

But for a couple diplomats who kicked out their staff in DC, it might have happened. But the Japanese ambassador was late to visit the US Secretary of State.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2019 11:59 AM (5WfEd)

245 Obama went to Normandy because he confused Omaha Beach with Obama Beach....

***

There's a Fire Island joke to be made here, but I'm far too tired to do it.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 11:59 AM (GEpFD)

246 Obama went to Normandy because he confused Omaha Beach with Obama Beach....

I went to see my beach friends.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at June 06, 2019 12:00 PM (vtcmf)

247 Fox2!

Seas were 6 foot swells. Above the canvas skirting design limit. Only 5 made it to the beach.

IIRC, that is because the tankers forced the landing craft team, against orders, to drop them off on the beach vice in deep water.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:01 PM (u82oZ)

248 The flynn thing could be interesting, but Mueller's crazy clinton lawyers need to be debarred. Fuck that Rhee chick.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 12:02 PM (JziUy)

249 This Flynn firing his lawyers thing is interesting...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2019 12:02 PM (O2RFr)

250 My great uncle gave his life at Omaha Beach, and my grandmother (his sister) was a welder building the Liberty ships. God rest your souls, you both.

Posted by: direwolf at June 06, 2019 12:02 PM (tlpl5)

251 The book about D Day through German eyes, a collection of short stories of German survivors, Not many....How the German defenses were destroyed at first by ship bombardments then invasion....

D DAY Through German Eyes - The Hidden Story of June 6th 1944
Kindle

Posted by: Colin at June 06, 2019 12:02 PM (vvPjM)

252 ut how did the Brit hierarchy not know what the ground looked like?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (fuK7c)

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Brits were further North pushing on Cherbourg. No boccage there.

They probably werent consulted by American planners as to what lay behind Omaha..

My best guess anyway

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:02 PM (8XRCm)

253 Fuck that Rhee chick.

***

On it.

Posted by: Billy Jeff at June 06, 2019 12:02 PM (GEpFD)

254 The US Army's official list of all non-divisional Army units ashore on D-Day (A lot of them!):
https://tinyurl.com/y6cu6brd
Scroll down a little and click on "Non-Divisional Units"
Saaaa-lute!

Posted by: Gref at June 06, 2019 12:03 PM (AMIL/)

255 Hard not to be a little depressed at how we seem to be devolving as a country and a species. This post is a reminder of that.

Posted by: Max Power at June 06, 2019 12:03 PM (q177U)

256 fixerupper

USs Forces took Cherbourg. No UK forces around.

It was Caen, the key to the German defenses, that the British Empire forces failed to take the first day., or any day until weeks later.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:04 PM (u82oZ)

257 Stir the pot.

Roy Moore's lawyer Trenton Garmon has been arrested on drug charges

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Apparently, the drug in question was Mary G. Juana.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 12:04 PM (+y/Ru)

258 Michael Whitman in one Tiger tank held up the British advance for one day.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2019 12:05 PM (5WfEd)

259 Beautifully written

Posted by: Gonzotx at June 06, 2019 12:05 PM (Cpj82)

260 I'm betting the local episcopagans have a rainbow flag.
Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2019 11:45 AM (nRWPy)

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Well, it's not Episcopalian (it's Disciples of Christ), but I recently visited the North Christian Church in Columbus, IN, because it's of architectural interest (designed by Eero Saarinen), and they had rainbow AND trans flags in the windows, front and center, LOL.

The one his father built (First Christian) had none of that, but I don't know what denomination it is.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 12:05 PM (AzW6q)

261 It was Caen, the key to the German defenses, that the British Empire forces failed to take the first day., or any day until weeks later.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:04 PM (u82oZ)

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Yes Caen.... my bad. I was in error.

But I still doubt we asked the Brits what lay behind Omaha.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:05 PM (8XRCm)

262 Hard not to be a little depressed at how we seem to be devolving as a country and a species.

I, me, mine.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (vtcmf)

263 Pelosi: I don't want to,see him impeached, I want to see him in jail.

Guess the loons in her party are gaining strength.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (gC2IV)

264 I think Okinawa was a larger amphibious operation than Normandy. Small quibble but a correction that should be noted. Great post though, historic day by any measure.

Posted by: Exurban Doug at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (JoORq)

265 The latest Hot Take today from America-hating commie "progressives" is that D-day didn't do or mean anything because the Russians had killed 20 million Germans and America didn't actually do anything.

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (E5lGr)

266 I don't know if they planned for the paratroopers to take out the batteries and pill boxes but they got sidetracked. That wasn't something they should have counted on.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (KtcMg)

I used to work with a guy, Frank Luzinsky, who had a weird large scar in his cheek. Turned out he was a D Day paratrooper who got caught in a tree and a German sniper shot him and figured he was dead.

He died of a brain tumor in the early 80s. RIP Frank.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (y7DUB)

267 Tater posted fake Lincoln quote, "Let the country know the facts and the country will be safe."

I guess he posted it ironically.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 12:07 PM (+y/Ru)

268 The latest Hot Take today from America-hating commie "progressives" is that D-day didn't do or mean anything because the Russians had killed 20 million Germans and America didn't actually do anything.

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My hot take for today is Im of the opinion that assholes act the way they do today is because we as a society have removed the risk of eating a knuckle sammich for acting like an asshole.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:07 PM (8XRCm)

269 Pelosi: I don't want to,see him impeached, I want to see him in jail.

Guess the loons in her party are gaining strength.

***

Good lord, how much more strength could they possibly gain?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 12:08 PM (GEpFD)

270 269 Good lord, how much more strength could they possibly gain?
Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 06, 2019 12:08 PM (GEpFD)

Do you really want to know the answer?

Because sadly, the answer is "You're still alive, aren't you?".

Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2019 12:09 PM (sm6Pk)

271 Stalin supposedly berated the US over not doing the fighting that the Russians had to do to win the war.....

Posted by: Colin at June 06, 2019 12:09 PM (vvPjM)

272 Pelosi: I don't want to,see him impeached, I want to see him in jail.

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Dems in 2016: Suggesting a candidate should be locked up is treason.

Dems in 2019: Suggesting a sitting President should be locked up is patriotic.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 12:09 PM (AzW6q)

273 Posted by: Moki at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (mFoNl)

Wonderful story. Thanks for sharing it!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (ahS0B)

274 The latest Hot Take today from America-hating commie "progressives" is that D-day didn't do or mean anything because the Russians had killed 20 million Germans and America didn't actually do anything.
Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (E5lGr)

So today Russia is double-plus good?

I can't keep track.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (NFEMn)

275 Pelosi: I don't want to,see him impeached, I want to see him in jail.
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Oh, how original. It was better when Trump said it about Hillary.

I'd prefer to see Nancy in the morgue.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (Ci+u3)

276 My answer:

Russia would not have killed those 20 million without 4,000 P-39s, 1,000 P-63s, 700 B-25s, thousands upon thousands of Studebaker trucks, and millions of cans of Spam.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (5WfEd)

277
The flynn thing could be interesting, but Mueller's crazy clinton lawyers need to be debarred. Fuck that Rhee chick.
Posted by: Keto not Beto

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That Rhee seems like a bitch all right. If she showed up at my house I'd offer her rice just to annoy her.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (M9ntN)

278 America no make sense.

America have such WW2 prouds, then also have "dismantle evil patriarchy" celebrationing.

But no patriarchy, then no WW2 winnings. EVERYBODY SEE!

Many confuse.

Posted by: Shogun Pikachu - Keeping Japan SJW free at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (wQMQx)

279

If you visit Normandy you MUST walk the beach after seeing the cemetery.

Time it so you walk at low tide, as they did. On down to the water's edge, then turn and look back.

You will remember that for the remainder of your life.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (KATBx)

280
Pelosi: I don't want to,see him impeached, I want to see him in jail.

I don't think he'll come to visit you in jail Nancy

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (TAmPV)

281 My hot take for today is Im of the opinion that assholes act the way they do today is because we as a society have removed the risk of eating a knuckle sammich for acting like an asshole.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:07 PM (8XRCm)

Bring back dueling (either sword, pistol, or both, I'm not picky) and the problem will be resolved quickly. After a few weeks of constant challenges, society will grow much more polite.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (J+mig)

282 265 The latest Hot Take today from America-hating commie "progressives" is that D-day didn't do or mean anything because the Russians had killed 20 million Germans and America didn't actually do anything.
Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (E5lGr)
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Not really new. The commies have been saying that since WWII. There were even those who argued that Japan didn't surrender because of us, but because Stalin had finally declared war on them.

But the 20 million Germans is new to me. That used to be the number of Soviet dead they claimed.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (VaN/j)

283 fixerupper

The focus was on the beach, just off the beach, and supply over the beach. It was an intel failure that had to be redeemed in blood.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (u82oZ)

284 Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:07 PM (8XRCm)

Pretty much. Although I'm pretty surr the lefty Commies and lefty Nazis both rose to power in societies where that was still a worry. They just did what lefty assholes do and hid behind their mob.

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 12:11 PM (E5lGr)

285 Pelosi: I don't want to,see him impeached, I want to see him in jail.

For what? Just wants to see him in jail for anything. There doesn't have to be a reason. How very Soviet of her.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2019 12:11 PM (ahS0B)

286 268 My hot take for today is Im of the opinion that assholes act the way they do today is because we as a society have removed the risk of eating a knuckle sammich for acting like an asshole.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:07 PM (8XRCm)

Even that's not enough.

Permanent damage or they aren't learning shit.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2019 12:11 PM (sm6Pk)

287 #265. D-Day wasn't just about destroying the Nazis. It was about halting the advance of the Soviets. Stalin was as bad as Hitler.

Posted by: Mike at June 06, 2019 12:11 PM (WWn8/)

288 >>275 Pelosi: I don't want to,see him impeached, I want to see him in jail.

Zod doesn't want to see her immolated, he wants to see her impaled.

Or immolated and *then* impaled. Sorta thing.

Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:11 PM (Bdeb0)

289 I think Lincoln meant "I don't need this Butterball Powerbottom; he lies".

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2019 12:11 PM (y7DUB)

290 Of course no one asked the obvious follow up to her statement. For what?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (gC2IV)

291 Eeyore

25 million Russians dead in WWII.

6 million Germans dead in WWII.

Close enough for the media.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (u82oZ)

292 Or immolated and *then* impaled. Sorta thing.
Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:11 PM (Bdeb0)

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Reverse order for maximum excrutiatin'.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (AzW6q)

293 282 Not really new. The commies have been saying that since WWII. There were even those who argued that Japan didn't surrender because of us, but because Stalin had finally declared war on them.

But the 20 million Germans is new to me. That used to be the number of Soviet dead they claimed.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (VaN/j)

20 Million Germans.

60 Million of their Own.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (sm6Pk)

294 274 The latest Hot Take today from America-hating commie "progressives" is that D-day didn't do or mean anything because the Russians had killed 20 million Germans and America didn't actually do anything.
Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (E5lGr)

So today Russia is double-plus good?

I can't keep track.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (NFEMn)

They've also been claiming that the atom bombs didn't do anything, and it was the Russian invasion of Manchuria that made Japan surrender. You just can't argue with this brand of stupid.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (J+mig)

295 "Stalin supposedly berated the US over not doing the fighting that the Russians had to do to win the war....."

We should have vaporized that ugly mother-fucker.

Posted by: Chris M at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (eAZVt)

296 Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (VaN/j)

They're spreading it in earnest this year. I'd never heard any of it but I've always been of the opinion that there's only one kind of good commie. So I generally pay them little attention.

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM (E5lGr)

297 Bring back dueling (either sword, pistol, or both, I'm not picky) and the problem will be resolved quickly. After a few weeks of constant challenges, society will grow much more polite.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (J+mig)

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*fistbump*

I've called for dueling to make a comeback as well.

Preferably a brace of pistols at 10 yards.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM (8XRCm)

298 No plan survives first contact. D Day was no exception. That's what makes the US Military so deadly. We train and practice with Junior leaders to adapt.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM (jsWA8)

299 By the way, WTF did Stalin do to fight the Japanese in the Pacific? Not squat. Only when victory was assured did the Soviets declare war on Japan. And that was only to grab power and have a voice in occupied Japan.
Assholes.

Posted by: Mike at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM (WWn8/)

300 Stalin did not think the landings in North Africa or Italy were an adequate Second Front.

Then as soon as Hitler was dead the Soviets changed tunes and claimed they did not need any British or American help in fighting the Great Patriotic War.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (5WfEd)

301 >>>274 The latest Hot Take today from America-hating commie "progressives" is that D-day didn't do or mean anything because the Russians had killed 20 million Germans and America didn't actually do anything.
Posted by: ... at June 06, 2019 12:06 PM (E5lGr)

So today Russia is double-plus good?

I can't keep track.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (NFEMn)
_________

America did do a bopin' on Japan. Few assists.

Emperor Cry. Give Samuel Uncle a surrender because better than give up to to Mean Mr.Mustache-Stalin. He try steal islands!

Posted by: Shogun Pikachu - Keeping Japan SJW free at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (wQMQx)

302 271 Stalin supposedly berated the US over not doing the fighting that the Russians had to do to win the war.....
Posted by: Colin at June 06, 2019 12:09 PM (vvPjM)
________

He did, and berated Churchill, too. One thing he never grasped was just how much shipping it entailed. Shipping that was reduced in part because we wouldn't divert aircraft to the Atlantic battle. And one of the causes of THAT was that Stalin kept demanding maximum effort in bombing Germany.

(Not the whole story, of course. But Stalin was ONE of the reasons for that decision, and it did impact our ability to launch invasions.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (VaN/j)

303 They've also been claiming that the atom bombs didn't do anything, and it was the Russian invasion of Manchuria that made Japan surrender. You just can't argue with this brand of stupid.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (J+mig)

Okay.
But would Stalin have declared war on Japan if the atom bombs HADN'T been dropped?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (NFEMn)

304 We should have vaporized that ugly mother-fucker.
Posted by: Chris M at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (eAZVt)

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Pock marked midget bank robber with a hipster mustache.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (AzW6q)

305 And to think they fought and died so that TSA did not have to check illegals documents when they fly.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (JFO2v)

306 Thank you, CBD. Very very dusty in here. God bless them, heroes all.

Posted by: fly gal at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (8TdcF)

307 My Mother and Father both were WWII vets. She was one of the first WAC's. An ambulance driver on Okinawa.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (jsWA8)

308 Woman stabs herself multiple times because Trump is president.

https://tinyurl.com/y65jzvtt

Trump 2020, finish them!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (oFlMR)

309 >>Preferably a brace of pistols at 10 yards.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM (8XRCm)

Butterknives. Or rolls of quarters. Or a brick.

Let's get wicked.

Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (Bdeb0)

310 Chris M

The Germans lost the war in Russia. Without them, we would have needed nucs. And a lot of them.

Stalin went ballistic when 2 german divisions in Sicily kicked our asses. We outnumbered the Germans 3 - 1 there. Meanwhile he is losing millions. Not hard to see his point.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (u82oZ)

311 And don't get me wrong, I'm not really suited for when the violence and killing returns.

But I know a lot of the horde are, so...

Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (sm6Pk)

312 Whitman- and whitman's gunner- were insane. The number of kills against the Desert Rats alone...

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (sQD5x)

313 309 Butterknives. Or rolls of quarters. Or a brick.

Let's get wicked.
Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (Bdeb0)

Weedwhackers.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (sm6Pk)

314 >>Zod doesn't want to see her immolated, he wants to see her impaled.
Or immolated and *then* impaled. Sorta thing.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2019 12:16 PM (W+vEI)

315 JoeF.

Yes.

Three months to the day after V-E day. As promised at Yalta.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:16 PM (u82oZ)

316 Flynn's lawyers? The ones who charged him a million dollars without even going to trial?

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 12:16 PM (JziUy)

317 264 I think Okinawa was a larger amphibious operation than Normandy. Small quibble but a correction that should be noted."

Okinawa was the last amphibious invasion of the Pacific War, but I think in total number of troops, D-Day still outdid it. Not so sure about number of ships.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2019 12:16 PM (Kpl3J)

318 Great thread. But I got stuff that needs doing.

Have a great day.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:16 PM (u82oZ)

319 When I was stationed in Germany in the late 70's I met an old German fellow who was a wireman/communications guy in the War. He was captured about a month after D-Day. He said that while being moved back to the beach to be evacuated to England, he and his fellow POWs watched the Army move ashore. They were stunned at the never-ending line of trucks and supplies going forward. He said he had never seen so many trucks. He knew then the war was lost.

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They say that when Rommel hit us in the first major American / German action of the war at Kasserine Pass, his basic idea was to destroy our morale by giving us a licking we wouldn't soon forget. Instead his own morale suffered when he saw the quality and quantity of Yank equipment and vehicles he had captured.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 12:16 PM (+y/Ru)

320 291 Eeyore

25 million Russians dead in WWII.

6 million Germans dead in WWII.

Close enough for the media.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:12 PM (u82oZ)
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I haven't looked in 20 years, but in the 90s the 20 or 25 million Russian numbers were regarded as inflated. IIRC, the original claim came from Krushchev.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (VaN/j)

321

Hard not to be a little depressed at how we seem to be devolving as a country and a species.

A California Highway Patrol chief is under investigation after sharing a post on social media that demeaned transgender star Caitlyn Jenner and her gender transition.
The investigation into Chief Mark Garrett was initiated Monday after a Times reporter showed officials at CHP headquarters a message that the veteran highway patrol supervisor posted on his personal Facebook page.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (aKsyK)

322 Yes.

Three months to the day after V-E day. As promised at Yalta.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:16 PM (u82oZ)

And Stalin and the Soviets would never break any promises,

Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (NFEMn)

323 309 Butterknives. Or rolls of quarters. Or a brick.

Let's get wicked.
Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (Bdeb0)

Weedwhackers.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2019 12:15 PM (sm6Pk)

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Im gettin up there. Tho Im probably in the 90th percentile for fitness for my age group, I aint hand fighting anybody.

Ill keep my pistols.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (8XRCm)

324 Of course, The Soviets invaded Poland from the east when the Nazis invaded Poland from the west.

Posted by: Mike at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (WWn8/)

325 "Stalin supposedly berated the US over not doing the fighting that the Russians had to do to win the war....."

Stalin would also make noises about making peace with Hitler when ever the US or Britain would mention reducing the arms shipped to the USSR.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (WJNvE)

326 The men who died in convoy PQ-17 to bring war material to Russia, I hope in the afterlife they get a chance to beat up Stalin in Hell.

The Murmansk run. Taking control of Persia. Ferry route through Alaska. All three supply fronts were enacted to keep Stalin's evil government in the fight against the Nazis.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (5WfEd)

327 in jail..for what?

oh right, the left wants to criminalize politics. and our cuckGOP pols are cool with that.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (JziUy)

328 321
A California Highway Patrol chief is under investigation after sharing a post on social media that demeaned transgender star Caitlyn Jenner and her gender transition.
The investigation into Chief Mark Garrett was initiated Monday after a Times reporter showed officials at CHP headquarters a message that the veteran highway patrol supervisor posted on his personal Facebook page.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (aKsyK)

Which reminds me, why was Brucelyn never punished for killing someone in an auto wreck?

Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (sm6Pk)

329 Of course, The Soviets invaded Poland from the east when the Nazis invaded Poland from the west.
Posted by: Mike at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (WWn8/)

Shhhhhhh!

Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (NFEMn)

330 The hedgerow question is a puzzler. Aerial photography made it look like normal fields bound by bushes. Fine, from an American perspective.

But how did the Brit hierarchy not know what the ground looked like?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 06, 2019 11:53 AM (fuK7c)

And de Gaulle, as head of the Free French Forces, was in London. He couldn't say anything about the hedgerows?

Posted by: RickZ at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (Y8PSl)

331 >>>299 By the way, WTF did Stalin do to fight the Japanese in the Pacific? Not squat. Only when victory was assured did the Soviets declare war on Japan. And that was only to grab power and have a voice in occupied Japan.
Assholes.
Posted by: Mike at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM (WWn8/)
________
Stalin give Japan an invade after Uncle Sammy deliver nuclear boomings. Try to steal islands! Stalin is a mean Mr.Mustache.

Japan immediately cry Uncle to Uncle Sam to make war have all stop. Japan give an oopsie.

Posted by: Shogun Pikachu - Keeping Japan SJW free at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (wQMQx)

332 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2019 12:19 PM (o+pgY)

333 MacArthur had his faults, but credit where it's due. He did keep the Russians out of post war Japan.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2019 12:19 PM (gC2IV)

334 The investigation into Chief Mark Garrett was initiated Monday after a Times reporter showed officials at CHP headquarters a message that the veteran highway patrol supervisor posted on his personal Facebook page.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (aKsyK)

I do fault Garrett for being dumb enough not to know that everything you post on Facebook can and WILL be used against you.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2019 12:20 PM (Kpl3J)

335 Okay.
But would Stalin have declared war on Japan if the atom bombs HADN'T been dropped?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:14 PM (NFEMn)
_______

As soon as he was clear how it was going, he would have. Parallel to Mussolini's entry in 1940; after the battle is decided, jump in to get a share of the spoils.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 06, 2019 12:20 PM (VaN/j)

336 And to think they fought and died so that TSA did not have to check illegals documents when they fly.

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I like to think they were fighting for trannies in the bathroom. and for mooslems to take over the west.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 06, 2019 12:20 PM (JziUy)

337 And de Gaulle, as head of the Free French Forces, was in London. He couldn't say anything about the hedgerows?

Posted by: RickZ at June 06, 2019
*
*
. . .

"If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now,

It's just a spring clean for the May queen."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2019 12:20 PM (ClOmq)

338 >>>329 Of course, The Soviets invaded Poland from the east when the Nazis invaded Poland from the west.
Posted by: Mike at June 06, 2019 12:17 PM (WWn8/)

Shhhhhhh!
Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2019 12:18 PM (NFEMn)
___________

This true, but Churchill give Germany zero likes, but do give Russia a like - so only one war declare.

Posted by: Shogun Pikachu - Keeping Japan SJW free at June 06, 2019 12:20 PM (wQMQx)

339 "When I was stationed in Germany in the late 70's I met an old German fellow who was a wireman/communications guy in the War. He was captured about a month after D-Day. He said that while being moved back to the beach to be evacuated to England, he and his fellow POWs watched the Army move ashore. They were stunned at the never-ending line of trucks and supplies going forward. He said he had never seen so many trucks. He knew then the war was lost"

A display at the Bovington Tank Museum has a quote from a German anti-tank gunner who had surrendered. Asked why the master race had given up, he said "We saw a Sherman tank, fired, and destroyed it. Then another, we destroyed it. And another... eventually we ran out of ammunition, but the Shermans kept coming."

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 06, 2019 12:20 PM (WJNvE)

340 Look at that!
Not a single woman or non-binary gendered person represented!
I suppose they were probably all cis gender white male normies!
Manspreading up all the space in the boat with their guns and backpacks and things.

Whoever took that photo could have made a better effort to express the sexual and racial diversity of those who landed on D-Day. This is why it is essential a documentary movie be made showing the true nature and gender of those who waded ashore that morning.

Posted by: Oscazio Consquestidorio at June 06, 2019 12:20 PM (37IEG)

341
To think that AOC equates this with today's not-yet-war against "climate change." The Green New Deal IS the Grand Alliance. If only we can muster the will...

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 06, 2019 12:21 PM (M9ntN)

342 Grandpa Zod worked German POWs on his Kansas farm. Said he looked out in the field one day, saw a prisoner hunched over the wheel of the tractor. Thought the guy had had a heart attack.

Walked out, found the guy weeping. He'd just learned that the Russians had taken his home town of Vienna, and felt that his family was doomed.

Interesting that a POW in central Kansas would've had that much information about the progress of the war that quickly.

(Family lore holds that he then shot the German and left him on the tractor as a warning because Grandpa Zod had no tolerance for crybabies or Nazis, but especially crybaby Nazis. Difficult to know for sure).

Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:21 PM (Bdeb0)

343 Stalin supposedly berated the US over not doing the fighting that the Russians had to do to win the war.....

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We didn't fight harder; we fought smarter.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 12:22 PM (+y/Ru)

344 Zod

There is a German Cemetery filled with POW dead near Manhattan, Kansas.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:23 PM (u82oZ)

345 The Italian campaign due to geography would have been perfect for a helicopter type war of mobility. Instead the US Army kept slogging up the valleys. And their one great chance with Operation Shingle got frittered away due to timidity.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2019 12:23 PM (5WfEd)

346 No plan survives first contact. D Day was no exception. That's what makes the US Military so deadly. We train and practice with Junior leaders to adapt.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM

*****

Exactly. D-Day, as in so many battles since, it falls to the NCOs and junior officers to carry the weight. We train and train and train so that they know to adapt, react, keep their head, and accomplish the mission.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2019 12:24 PM (axyOa)

347 343
Stalin supposedly berated the US over not doing the fighting that the Russians had to do to win the war.....

-

We didn't fight harder; we fought smarter.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2019 12:22 PM (+y/Ru)
Yeah, American voters would have made some unkind observations about the war effort if our Generals had regularly used the assault strategies the Russians were so fond of.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 06, 2019 12:25 PM (37IEG)

348 Waves at Anna Puma.

Back to the slog.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:25 PM (u82oZ)

349 >>344 Zod
There is a German Cemetery filled with POW dead near Manhattan, Kansas. Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 06, 2019 12:23 PM (u82oZ)

Huh. Probably from Fort Riley. He was southwest of there (Hutch-Arlington area) so probably had guys from a smaller camp.

Dad took his first steps into the hands of a German POW.

Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:28 PM (Bdeb0)

350 215 Flynn fires lawyers

http://tinyurl.com/y437zd9j
Posted by: McCool at June 06, 2019 11:52 AM (KvRqW)

Odd move. What changed?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 06, 2019 12:28 PM (RD7QR)

351 >>And their one great chance with Operation Shingle got frittered away due to timidity. Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2019 12:23 PM (5WfEd)

GEN Mark Clark's preening/whining captured for posterity in the 'Tough Old Gut' episode of "A World At War."

Posted by: Zod at June 06, 2019 12:31 PM (Bdeb0)

352 according to Jack Posobiec Michael Flynn's new Lawyer is High Profile & on TV a lot ! DiGenova & Toensing ? or Rudy

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 12:31 PM (BqBId)

353 NOOOOOD

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 06, 2019 12:32 PM (BqBId)

354 297
Bring back dueling (either sword, pistol, or both, I'm not picky) and
the problem will be resolved quickly. After a few weeks of constant
challenges, society will grow much more polite.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at June 06, 2019 12:10 PM (J+mig)

----

*fistbump*

I've called for dueling to make a comeback as well.

Preferably a brace of pistols at 10 yards.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2019 12:13 PM (8XRCm)
For the leftists/commies (BIRM) who are challenged to a duel, and do not have a firearm because of muh principles -- it sure would suck for them, wouldn't it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2019 12:37 PM (N39Ws)

355 Was not one of Omaha beaches SNAFU was they had no tanks?
Posted by: Yo!

They had less armor, much of it was dsembarked too early, The DD tanks were caught in a current and attempted to change course, to stay on target. When they turned broadside to the current, the canvas raised sides failed, and they foundered.

They had no specialized armor to clear obstacles and mines.

Close air support wasn't allowed, nor were paratroops drops anywhere the beaches, since an attempted drop over Sicily turned into slaughter because the ships opened fire on the transports.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 06, 2019 12:46 PM (e1q4h)

356 Don't mean to detract from what happened 75 years ago today. Not at all. It was an incredible operation manned by incredibly selfless, brave men.

However, the history that CBD leaves out entirely is worth pointing out: The Russians were the ones that took the brunt of the German war machine and the Russians were the ones that held off Germany long enough for the allies to get a foothold on the continent. Had it not been for our lend-lease equipment and the millions of dead Russian soldiers, there would have been no Normandy landing and Britain would have fallen.

Posted by: Lawrence Larson at June 06, 2019 12:49 PM (Uu7xZ)

357 Knowing this sacrifice, how can one ever take a knee?

Posted by: KungPow at June 06, 2019 12:51 PM (prxVm)

358 This post references Liberty ships and Higgins boats. There are a couple of great personal stories involved in the building of these "indispensable craft";1) Andrew Higgins anticipated the need for military landing craft and basically designed the Higgins Boat on his own, including building 3 prototypes at his own expense for presentation to the Marine Corps.
2) Henry Kaiser (Kaiser Steel) developed "assembly line" techniques for building Liberty ships, including the building of sub-assemblies by different manufacturers and in different parts of the country. In 1943, Kaiser was producing 3 Liberty ships per day!
The entrepreneurial efforts of these individuals contributed greatly to the overall war effort. Knowledge of their efforts enrich my understanding of WWII.

Posted by: Philip at June 06, 2019 12:52 PM (O2aIP)

359 However, the history that CBD leaves out entirely is worth pointing out: The Russians were the ones that took the brunt of the German war machine and the Russians were the ones that held off Germany long enough for the allies to get a foothold on the continent. Had it not been for our lend-lease equipment and the millions of dead Russian soldiers, there would have been no Normandy landing and Britain would have fallen.
Posted by: Lawrence Larson

We should also remember the Soviet contributions to the Nazi war effort. They helped carve up Poland, which still lasted longer than France, and sent them supplies right until Operation Barbarossa.

We should also remember their slaughter of Polish POWs.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 06, 2019 12:53 PM (e1q4h)

360 I still want to see that mealy mouthed son of a whore nutted gutted and grovelling, just for that one little quip.
Posted by: Stringer Davis
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"I loathe the military' - Bill Clinton

That is the one that I will never forget, nor give. He is, in fact, the loathsome SOB.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 06, 2019 12:56 PM (j84Xz)

361 Posted by: Blue Hen at June 06, 2019 12:53 PM

I wasn't lauding the Soviet "contribution" to the war effort. It's too bad that the Germans and Soviets couldn't both lose. It's just that many Americans have no idea that the bulk of the war in the European theater was fought in the east...for years.... 11 million Russian soldiers died and probably 15 million civilians--most of them before the allied invasion forced landed. We're rightly proud of our contribution to liberating Europe. And it's true that Russia did not--and would not have--liberated Europe if we weren't there supporting the forces of freedom. I did not praise the Soviets. I simply made the point that their massive losses and effort kept the Germans at bay long enough for the allies to mount a landing on the continent.

Just sayin.

Posted by: Lawrence Larson at June 06, 2019 01:05 PM (Uu7xZ)

362 Since I don't see any mention of it, I'd appreciate for everyone to remember that Canadians fought alongside the Brits right from the start. My great uncle, Thomas Gordon, lost his life in the Dieppe raid at the age of 36. He was gainfully employed at home and didn't have to go to war, but he did, and in doing so became a hero. My late neighbour, Phil LaPointe, was in the same raid and was one of the few that made it home. He was my son's surrogate grandfather and a huge influence on his admirable character. The greatness of these men and their comrades shines long after their passing.

Posted by: Kaner at June 06, 2019 01:06 PM (rR7m4)

363
In case you missed this. A good story about Ike and Churchill, followed by tragedy. That said, the BALLS on those guys.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-06/churchill-ike-epic-human-tragedy-first-wave-omaha

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 06, 2019 01:19 PM (1hM1d)

364
I cannot understand for the life of me how they just relied on the Air Corps and RAF heavies and mediums to destroy the bunkers and beach defenses when the closest bomb hit 5 miles inland.

Why did they not rely on close air support from P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons and Tempests to come in and take out the emplacements with rockets and dive bombing? Especially since we had total air supremacy on that day all over Normandy.

Omaha might not have been the slaughterhouse it became. That was monumentally poor planning that was IMHO the worst blunder of the entire operation.

Tragic.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2019 11:42 AM (zBaqJ

The weather dictated a lot of what happened on D Day. Air power was probably impossible because of low ceilings and/or conditions at the home air bases. You have to remember that all those ground support aircraft you mention didn't have much capability to function in the conditions present that day.

Posted by: Sooner at June 06, 2019 01:27 PM (Fs5vw)

365 204 154
78 Will America save Europe in WWIII?

Nuke the muzzies and the world's problems decrease dramatically.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at June 06, 2019 11:36 AM (QMwOT)
The only way I could get behind going back to Europe for the 3rd time to save their ass is to annex it. Europe becomes a U.S. territory.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2019 11:48 AM (N39Ws)

Kick the muzzies outta Europe, throw out all those royal houses and add a few more stars to the flag. Most Europeans would agree to it. Not Turkey though. Kick their assess off the continent.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at June 06, 2019 01:49 PM (QMwOT)

366 Not Turkey though. Kick their assess off the continent.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at June 06, 2019 01:49 PM (QMwOT)

LOL! Turkey is already off the continent of Europe. Turkey is also called Asia Minor, as in the continent of Asia. For some fucked up reason, Turkey is in Europe for football purposes.

Posted by: RickZ at June 06, 2019 02:02 PM (Y8PSl)

367 As Admiral Yamamoto famously said, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

Japanese revisionism. There is only one supposed source for this quote and it's never been confirmed.

Posted by: Billy Goat Gruff at June 06, 2019 02:10 PM (0x00j)

368 Google does not have a special doodle for today. Given the grief they've taken in the past for not acknowledging D-Day, this can't be an innocent oversight. The woke SJW's at Google truly hate America with a white-hot passion.

Posted by: MOFD at June 06, 2019 02:17 PM (4Jf7y)

369 "[...] small and poor country [...]"

The British Empire was still in existence & provided sufficient resources to fight for over 2 years before the U.S. entry into the conflict.

Britain itself was certainly small but had a worldwide hinterland to draw upon.

Posted by: aelfheld at June 06, 2019 03:07 PM (IxDhF)

370 Dear David Hogg you snot nosed little cunt these youths were fighting in a war while today you and your ilk from March for Our Lives could march around carrying stupid signs and banners with stupid slogans on them Please just go back home and drink from your sippy cup you little twerp

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 06, 2019 04:25 PM (wGqjj)

371 They faced a wall of lead.

The only way to cope with that sort of obstacle is to assume you are already dead and not to dwell on that fact.

Many who survived were amazed they were still alive. A common comment amongst the survivors.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at June 06, 2019 05:17 PM (sc+Xh)

372 Dad was at Normandy, gunners mate on a troop ship. Similar ship in front of them hit a mine and sank.
Uncles Arnold, Wesley, Donald, and Chester also served. Uncle Chester, Sergent, 82 Airborne was killed, January 7, 1945, near Bastogne. I have not found any details.
Different era. Dad and my uncles fought for America. Current Euros aren't worth shit.

Posted by: FlimFlammed at June 06, 2019 10:27 PM (xpKpV)

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