The Difference Between Personal And Public Principles And Ethics

Dennis Prager speaks of this distinction in his own life, and it is an important one. Most of us adhere to a (hopefully) relatively well-formed ethical structure in our public discourse, but out of necessity modify that structure in our personal lives.

For instance; I have a nephew who is intelligent (or at least has the capacity to be intelligent), but woefully ignorant of the realities of the world, so he fancies himself a socialist. He is young and stupid and full of himself and has no experience with what socialism really is, but he is welcome in my home and my heart, and I wouldn't dream of treating him the way I treat socialism and socialists in the public sphere.

Professional Homosexual groups are another example. They are a subset of the Left, and their goal is to erode the moral fabric of America, and muddy the boundaries between socially acceptable behavior and the insanity that is currently being debated; 57 genders and transgenders and pansexuals and on and on and on. My particular pet peeve is the craziness of transgenderism. It is nothing more than a form of body dysmorphic disorder.

But that is the macro. What about regular garden-variety gay people (some of whom read and comment at AoSHQ!)? Should I shun them and heap scorn upon them at the supermarket and at my dinner table? Should I shout "f*g"* at every opportunity?

Of course not.

And here is someone who disagrees...Principled in the Macro/Compassionate in the Micro? Not Really.

And I disagree with him. I refuse to hold individuals accountable for my perception of the failings of their groups. My ultra-conservative, gun-toting, rabidly-Trump-loving, military-supporting friend (who happens to be gay) is also always welcome at my table and in my heart, and the idea that I would reject him because of the political goals of some gay pressure groups or my philosophical and social disagreement with the "gay agenda" is nuts.

It is that attitude that drives leftist pundits to suggest that waiters spit in conservative's food, that conservatives be shunned and made unemployable, and all the other lunacy of the Left and their desire to create metaphorical (at least for now) internment camps for those who would disagree with them.

* I am being respectful of our host's wishes.

Posted by: CBD at 02:15 PM

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1 First!

Posted by: Surfperch at April 14, 2019 02:18 PM (tVQUs)

2 Okay Tiger. Let's see you win this thing.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at April 14, 2019 02:19 PM (Vf4Y7)

3 Nue d

Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 02:23 PM (pA4nI)

4 Full house here at the USO in Charlotte NC.

so is tiger gonna win?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:24 PM (TPbH4)

5 I've been good friends with an illegal alien, liked him and admired his work ethic, while at the same time being a border hawk's border hawk.

Difficult to explain, but one can hate a policy or political movement without hating every individual caught up in them.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 14, 2019 02:24 PM (bZ7mE)

6 I shout fuck at every opportunity but then I am beneath contempt and proud of it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:25 PM (TPbH4)

7
Christopher R. Taylor --

If you're here, in response to your
question on the book thread, I think Cover C gives the best impression
of a new, wide-open world. The others seem hind of "generic fantasy",
IMO.

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 02:25 PM (peukx)

8 I am almost at the point of stopping any social media discourse. The most banal statement elicits hatred and unhinged rhetoric, and I lack the willpower to keep myself from responding.

Posted by: TheHoser at April 14, 2019 02:25 PM (IDjUx)

9
and what of Peter Principles?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 14, 2019 02:26 PM (AVPWa)

10 4
Full house here at the USO in Charlotte NC.

so is tiger gonna win?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:24 PM (TPbH4)
----Sure looks that way. I'm conflicted. I really feel like I should dislike the guy ... and I also really feel like what he does with his dick is not my business.

Posted by: TheHoser at April 14, 2019 02:27 PM (IDjUx)

11 By the way, CBD -- agree with your opinion in the content ... nothing to add or subtract. Well stated!

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 02:27 PM (peukx)

12 all free thinking fucks really piss me off. dipshits, nobody rides for free. i'm old enough, and pissed off enough to tell all of them to phuck off. by the way, your nephew needs a cluebat. from a yardsale.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:28 PM (KP5rU)

13 Every homosexual contyibutes to the dissolution of society, no matter how they may vote, just by virtue of being homosexual, just like every illicit drug user does likewise no matter how functional they may be 9 to 5.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:29 PM (e58od)

14 Well stated!

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 02:27 PM (peukx)

Thank you. I was having a difficult time expressing the idea...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 14, 2019 02:29 PM (wYseH)

15 "This Video is Unavailable"

My Sunday preacher's sermon wasn't posted at the church website (they use YouTube) it always is.

My Sunday preacher's sermon wasn't posted on YouTube, it always is.

Wonder if he offended their terms of service?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 02:29 PM (pA4nI)

16 by the way, your nephew needs a cluebat. from a yardsale.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:28 PM (KP5rU)

Oh yes. Don't worry, I don't let him slide. I just don't punch him in the mouth.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 14, 2019 02:30 PM (wYseH)

17 13; exactly.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:30 PM (KP5rU)

18 Christianity, I think, handles this quite well at least at the theoretical level.

Personally, if something is morally troubling to you, it is a sin for you. But only for you, if it is not prohibited by God in His word. The example given by Paul is "meat offered to idols" where people would feel uncomfortable buying and eating meat that someone had offered to Zeus or some other false god.

Paul said "its just meat, there's nothing sinful about eating it, but if it bothers you, then you should consider it sinful and abstain." You can't hold others to this standard, only yourself. The term used is "adiophra" or "things indifferent."

At a general level, Christians are told to remember that all are sinful, all fall short of God's glory, and all are hellbound save for the doing and dying of Christ. Thus, we cannot point a bony finger of indignation at others for their sin as if we have none (this is the meaning of the "judge not" admonition by Jesus).

Christians are supposed to hold each other to a very high standard -- that of Jesus Christ -- but not non-Christians, who can't reasonably be expected to even know God's law let alone consider following it. We're told and know that the only reason we try to do so is because of God's work in us through the Holy Spirit.

So we are to treat people neighborly and with love, and hope to show them through example and gentle teaching to be better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 02:31 PM (39g3+)

19 CBD, that is awesome.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:31 PM (KP5rU)

20 Every homosexual contyibutes to the dissolution of society, no matter how they may vote, just by virtue of being homosexual, just like every illicit drug user does likewise no matter how functional they may be 9 to 5.

Thank you. I was going to try to characterize an element of the Horde that I find repugnant, but it's better to have a real example.

I'm a conservative of the "leave me alone" persuasion. I don't care what you do with your dick. And I don't want to be judged as a member of any group. I'm me, you're you.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2019 02:32 PM (fuK7c)

21 The problem, IMO, is with the education these young people are getting. My grandchildren are post 9-11 born, and I constantly run into thoughts they've been taught that I need to correct. They can't be faulted for not being aware that there are other ideas if nobody tells them that there aredifferent ideas. I like to think I've enlightened them, but in reality it's enough for me if I've caused them to think.

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 14, 2019 02:32 PM (lonOK)

22 Good piece CBD

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 02:33 PM (BbGew)

23 My nephew is homosexual and he "married" a dude. Now, he knows every single person in his family other than his sister thinks this is freaking weird at best, and most consider it immoral.

But he's welcome to parties and he's still family and we love him. He just shouldn't bring his fake husband to the festivities, because of how it affects and upets the other members of the family. I consider it similar to an adulterer bringing their mistress to the family party -- are you kidding me?? You're not married. You can't marry a dude no matter what the court claims.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 02:33 PM (39g3+)

24 13
Every homosexual contyibutes to the dissolution of society, no matter
how they may vote, just by virtue of being homosexual, just like every
illicit drug user does likewise no matter how functional they may be 9
to 5.

Posted by: doomed

You're an idiot.

Posted by: pep at April 14, 2019 02:33 PM (T6t7i)

25 I probably have a different personal and public view but think they are not that far apart.

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 02:34 PM (BbGew)

26 I do not give rats ass who sleeps with whom. Just do not rub it in my face

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:34 PM (TPbH4)

27 I think Cover C gives the best impression of a new, wide-open world.

Thanks for the input

I like that one too, especially as if I use it I plan on slipping a castle and maybe a flying dragon in the distance.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 02:35 PM (39g3+)

28 love the sinner hate the sin

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 02:35 PM (dm05u)

29 I for one, am so sick of being tolerant to satanic influences in society being mainstreamed up my ass. phuck all these demented phucks. i'm gonna have a smoke.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:36 PM (KP5rU)

30 26
I do not give rats ass who sleeps with whom. Just do not rub it in my face

Posted by: Nevergiveup

This is useful advice in general.

Posted by: pep at April 14, 2019 02:36 PM (T6t7i)

31 I'm a conservative of the "leave me alone" persuasion. "

Close. I'm of the "don't do it in the street and scare the horses" school, so...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 14, 2019 02:36 PM (6qErC)

32 20, 24

The perpetuation of iniquity is the issue. Once upon a time, such things were rightly abhorred and intolerable because people were honest enough to admit, and wise enough to realize, that leaven will only spread if even a speck is allowed to remain. Choosing to ignore that simple truth for only, what, 100 years is why we're in the decayed state we're in now. It spreads fast.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:36 PM (e58od)

33 28: never. we're way past that shit. WAR!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:37 PM (KP5rU)

34 Close. I'm of the "don't do it in the street and scare the horses" school, so...

Posted by: Anon a mouse

I'm sick to death of catering to the damn livestock.

Posted by: pep at April 14, 2019 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

35 "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. When I say to a wicked person, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself."

Ezekiel 3:17-19

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 14, 2019 02:38 PM (KnIfp)

36 I'm sick to death of catering to the damn livestock."

Neigh.

Joking aside, I think more highly of most cattle than I do of most "advocates"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 14, 2019 02:38 PM (6qErC)

37 >>>Neigh.

Joking aside, I think more highly of most cattle than I do of most "advocates"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 14, 2019 02:38 PM (6qErC)
-----------

You are too kind to those vipers.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 02:41 PM (pA4nI)

38 Christopher --

Oooh, a dragon? Yes! (I like dragons. A lot. My Skyrim fanfic has the Dragonborn trying to avoid killing them unless absolutely necessary.)

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 02:41 PM (peukx)

39 Every homosexual contyibutes to the dissolution of society

Point to the spot on the doll where Uncle Joe touched you.

Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at April 14, 2019 02:41 PM (Rwqk6)

40 So a traditional 4chan "OP is a fag" reply is right out?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 02:41 PM (NWiLs)

41 Fatherless children. I don't expect much.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 14, 2019 02:42 PM (RuIsu)

42 Sorry for the shitpost, but how does one do quotes and formatting?

Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at April 14, 2019 02:42 PM (Rwqk6)

43 35; whateverthephuck. how's that shit workin' now?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:42 PM (KP5rU)

44 "I do not give rats ass who sleeps with whom. Just do not rub it in my face"

You're free to think that but tolerating it is exactly what has brought us to the point where you and I can lose our livelihoods if we dare speak out against it. And that's only one example of the iniquity that has taken over.

People risking being sued into poverty just for saying the wrong thing, which once upon a time would have been the right thing that EVERYONE said, couldn't have happened without the lie of "Live and Let Live." We bought it. Now we're paying for it.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:42 PM (e58od)

45 31 I'm a conservative of the "leave me alone" persuasion. "

Close. I'm of the "don't do it in the street and scare the horses" school, so...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 14, 2019 02:36 PM (6qErC)

Don't do the horses in the street. It scares me.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 02:42 PM (NWiLs)

46 Sorry for the shitpost, but how does one do quotes and formatting?
Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at April 14, 2019 02:42 PM (Rwqk6)

With great difficulty

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:43 PM (TPbH4)

47 Well now. I agree with every word CBD wrote. Let me jot down the date and time......

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:43 PM (zMvJD)

48 I try to live with being an adherent to MYOB.

But then the disordered sodomites said I have to support and be happy to do so their disordered lifestyles. All over the TV, all over the social media, all over the government skools.

From "gay" marriage to bathroom switcheroos to how many sexes human beings are blah, blah blah.

If you disagree in public, you will be hunted down and your life destroyed. Is Anita Bryant still alive?

That is when I decided they can all FOAD and I now oppose them however and whenever I can if it simply means not supporting their businesses or shops.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 14, 2019 02:43 PM (Z+IKu)

49 there are people, family even, that would be superficially nice to me, but freely call me fascist/deplorable type names for not believing their leftist crap. I'm not interested in hanging with them. Too many things are a one way street with the more rabid lefties ...they drink the leftist hate, and I don't want them spitting it at me.

But most people I run into are just normies, that are not political, or they recognize the corruption of much of the political/union class. And this county voted 70% Trump, especially out here in the sticks ... so that is not really an issue.

Race or sexual orientation never mattered. it sucks the left works so hard at dividing us, since all the strong Trump supporters I know from old NOLA days, all hang/work with gays/blacks, even the Irish. But the MFM all day tires to drive the wedge of hate ... fluckers.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 14, 2019 02:43 PM (Cus5s)

50 The trick is how you approach things. Its one thing to say "sinner!!! repent or die!" and another to gently and humbly say things in love. Jesus kicked over the tables and lashed people in the temple, its true, but as the incarnate God he had the authority to do that kind of thing. He truly was sinless and perfect. Me? Not so much.

There is a kind of moral stupidity that states that people who have done wrong and stupid things in the past need to keep their mouth shut when others do wrong, but the truth is the more you've experienced the bad of sin and immorality, the better a judge and the more reasonable a foundation you have for telling others not to.

Its like someone who has actually burned their hand on the stove telling others to not do so: trust me. I've been there. Its bad, even if you think its not yet.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 02:44 PM (39g3+)

51 >With great difficulty

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:43 PM (TPbH4)

Did you see who I wanted to trade you for? I assume that if you did, you forgive me.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:44 PM (zMvJD)

52 Cattle don't like "advocates" either.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 14, 2019 02:45 PM (RuIsu)

53 Sorry for the shitpost, but how does one do quotes and formatting?

Remove the spaces between the square brackets:

[ i ] italics [ / i ]

[ b ] bold [ / b ]

[ s ] strikethrough [ / s ]

[ u ] underline [ / u ]

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2019 02:45 PM (fuK7c)

54 None of this applies to Patriots fans. They should be shunned and driven from polite society.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2019 02:45 PM (/tuJf)

55 47: Muad, another damn cheesehead!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:45 PM (KP5rU)

56

Amen.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 14, 2019 02:45 PM (DBRY5)

57 Post 48 nails it in one.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:46 PM (e58od)

58 That is when I decided they can all FOAD and I now oppose them however and whenever I can if it simply means not supporting their businesses or shops.

Sure, but the reason for this opposition isn't the immorality of their private behavior, but rather the tyrannical oppression of their public.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 02:46 PM (39g3+)

59 54; And, also Mets fans.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:46 PM (KP5rU)

60 "You're an idiot."
-Posted by: pep at April 14, 2019 02:33 PM (T6t7i)

That's a great argument. Does it come in a masculine form, as well?

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 14, 2019 02:46 PM (Ckg4U)

61 >Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:45 PM (KP5rU)

Aren't you a damn cheesehead your own self?

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:47 PM (zMvJD)

62 Did you see who I wanted to trade you for? I assume that if you did, you forgive me.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:44 PM (zMv

Someone told me... it who is that? Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:47 PM (TPbH4)

63 61; phuckin aye!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:47 PM (KP5rU)

64 60 "You're an idiot."
-Posted by: pep at April 14, 2019 02:33 PM (T6t7i)

That's a great argument. Does it come in a masculine form, as well?
Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 14, 2019 02:46 PM (Ckg4U)

Wouldn't that be "He's an idiot"?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 02:48 PM (NWiLs)

65 NGU, look back at the chess thread. She is a Chess Master and a dentist. Ermagerd.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:48 PM (zMvJD)

66 Hate the sin. Love the sinner.

Posted by: JAS at April 14, 2019 02:48 PM (KOCKb)

67 "Wouldn't that be "He's an idiot"?"
-Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 02:48 PM (NWiLs)

*HAH!*

...Leave it to an attorney.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 14, 2019 02:49 PM (Ckg4U)

68 Feminine - she's an idiot
Subjective singular - I'm an idiot
Subjective plural - we're idiots

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 02:49 PM (NWiLs)

69 I hate cheese. Unless somebody melted it. Cold cheese is awful.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:50 PM (KP5rU)

70 >63
61; phuckin aye!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:47 PM (KP5rU)

We've been bandying about the idea of a WIMOMEE. If I organize it, it will be up here in God's country. We'd probably end up with more mud ducks than cheeseheads, though. What are your thoughts?

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:50 PM (zMvJD)

71 No, we're Morons!

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 02:50 PM (peukx)

72 A she? Got for it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:51 PM (TPbH4)

73 Slap!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:51 PM (KP5rU)

74 "Sure, but the reason for this opposition isn't the immorality of their private behavior, but rather the tyrannical oppression of their public."

We wouldn't be fighting the second if we hadn't tolerated the first. Our tolerance never was and never will be reciprocated. People tried to warn us of that but they were ignored. And here we are.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:51 PM (e58od)

75 54
None of this applies to Patriots fans. They should be shunned and driven from polite society.

Posted by: JackStraw

Well, sure, but I think there's pretty much complete overlap between them and the horse-botherers, so redundant.

Posted by: pep at April 14, 2019 02:52 PM (T6t7i)

76 70: I'm in. Time and place, my friend.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:52 PM (KP5rU)

77 Chavez!

...gotta' find that picture of my dog and format it. Lazy day today, amigo.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 14, 2019 02:52 PM (Ckg4U)

78 There's a gay male married couple that shows up at my RCC church, they were there today. They have 2 babies, a girl and a boy, maybe twins. The social foundation of the RCC is the family unit, but AFAIK there is no homo marriage allowed. Years ago homo couples attended my parish in the city, but it was not a kiddo with two daddies situation. I don't know what to make of this situation except maybe the gay couple is looking for an excuse to claim discrimination.

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 02:52 PM (S7fGm)

79 Tiger WINS. I don't play golf ever an am I impressed.

Hopefully Trump has him to Mar a Lago for a round.

Tiger makes America Great again!

Posted by: torabora at April 14, 2019 02:52 PM (Q2AjI)

80 NGU, lookee here:

https://tinyurl.com/y5q9yuse

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:53 PM (zMvJD)

81 I am an old lady. I can remember when all the homosexuals wanted (pinky swear promise) was to come out of the shadows and that was reasonable, kind, and humane, so we "let" them out of the shadows.

What do we have now?

Gay Pride parades complete with debauchery and nudity as regular events.
Same sex marriage (polygamy is coming soon and we are seeing acceptance/legalization of minor children being "married" to old men because "culture").
Adoption of children by homosexuals.
Gender as a social construct defined by the mentally ill.
Giving children opposite sex hormones in the cause of transgenderism.

So these days those homosexuals, et al who came out of the shadows will now sue you into oblivion, dox you, ostracize you, and make you an unemployable pariah--if you somehow insult them, use the wrong pronouns, or whatevs.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at April 14, 2019 02:53 PM (kXoT0)

82

Even duck tape is contributing to the dissolution of society. It's being used for immoral purposes:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6920793

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 14, 2019 02:54 PM (NMAzL)

83 77; cool runnings my friend.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:55 PM (KP5rU)

84 People tried to warn us of that but they were ignored. And here we are.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:51 PM

....

No, you are on the right side of history. I'm super cereal!

Posted by: Gabe Malor at April 14, 2019 02:55 PM (KnIfp)

85 NGU, lookee here:

https://tinyurl.com/y5q9yuse
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:53 PM (zMvJD)

Fuck go for it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:56 PM (TPbH4)

86 You're right, Gabe. I am and you're not. I bet you're probably a great guy to have as a neighbor but it doesn't change the fact that you are fundamentally wrong on this.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:57 PM (e58od)

87 81 I am an old lady. I can remember when all the homosexuals wanted (pinky swear promise) was to come out of the shadows and that was reasonable, kind, and humane, so we "let" them out of the shadows.

I'm not an old lady - nor do I identify as one - but I remember this too. The problem is the personal was the political. We wanted to pretend it was just personal, a matter of live and let live, but that was never the case.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 02:57 PM (NWiLs)

88 Things are backing up here in CHARLOTTE from that storm moving across the south..sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:57 PM (TPbH4)

89 >Fuck go for it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:56 PM (TPbH4)

Navy wouldn't play ball. Something about you being able to do north of 70 appointments a day. They put the franchise tag on you.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:58 PM (zMvJD)

90 drag racing on fox 2 pm central. nitro, bitches. AMERICA!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 02:58 PM (KP5rU)

91 Navy wouldn't play ball. Something about you being able to do north of 70 appointments a day. They put the franchise tag on you.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:58 PM (zMvJD)

Did another 20 Exams this mornings before 10. 100 for the whole weekend.

Mama mea if I could only have charged for those!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:59 PM (TPbH4)

92 Off to Owen Benjamin's live podcast, where he cracks sodomites what need crackin'.

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 14, 2019 03:00 PM (Ckg4U)

93 Did another 20 Exams this mornings before 10. 100 for the whole weekend.

Did you grade on a curve?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 03:00 PM (NWiLs)

94 I agree with every word CBD wrote. Let me jot down the date and time......

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 02:43 PM (zMvJD)

And I didn't think that I could think less of you, what with the whole "maple syrup and French Toast" personality flaw...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 14, 2019 03:01 PM (wYseH)

95 phuck all y'all. i'm out, bitches.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 14, 2019 03:01 PM (KP5rU)

96 89 --

Yeah, saw that. For an 8-hour day, zero breaks, that's 6 minutes per appointment.

NGU: "Open wide. Yeah, teeth in there. You're done. NEXT!"

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:02 PM (peukx)

97 I used to be pro-gay, part of that community, but now that I have kids, I'm not sure. Open homosexuality will always lead to a demand for respect. How can I teach my kids that the lifestyle is a dead end, but the family friends living it are wonderful people who have the right to ruin themselves?

Posted by: Kate Winslet's 6 at April 14, 2019 03:03 PM (CBrm4)

98 Did you grade on a curve?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 03:00 PM (NWiLs)

None of the women failed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:03 PM (TPbH4)

99 Kindness or graciousness to others doesn't appear to be a leftist value. I'm sure there are kind lefties but as a group they seem to firmly believe anyone who thinks differently than they do needs to be hurt.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at April 14, 2019 03:03 PM (eAMlh)

100 Nue d
Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 02:23 PM (pA4nI)

We can be respectfulnof a lot of things.

But not the French!

Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 03:03 PM (chFFu)

101 The gay couple at my church is prolly getting a running start on Bergoglio allowing gay marriage. You know it's coming.

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:04 PM (S7fGm)

102 I love my conservative brothers and sisters but we have a tendency towards conspiracy theories. A week after the Las Vegas shooting I was drowning in opinions from self designated authorities on firearms telling me it was impossible for one man to pull that shooting off. Right. Impossible for one man to move his index finger back and forth one inch repeatedly.

Posted by: Clintonstain at April 14, 2019 03:05 PM (MKmm4)

103 AYeah, saw that. For an 8-hour day, zero breaks, that's 6 minutes per appointment.

NGU: "Open wide. Yeah, teeth in there. You're done. NEXT!"
Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:02 PM (peukx)

And no time to pee either. It was so busy Saturday was about 10 hours.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:05 PM (TPbH4)

104 this is funny
logos of Dem 2020 candidates

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2jartyp

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 03:05 PM (dm05u)

105 >And no time to pee either. It was so busy Saturday was about 10 hours.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:05 PM (TPbH4)

Were the appoinntments just X-rays and exams or were you doing treatment as well?

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 03:06 PM (zMvJD)

106 AYeah, saw that. For an 8-hour day, zero breaks, that's 6 minutes per appointment.

NGU: "Open wide. Yeah, teeth in there. You're done. NEXT!"
Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:02 PM (peukx)

But seriously I had great techs..all the xrays were taken and up on the computer and part of the paper work was filled in already..working 2 rooms.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:07 PM (TPbH4)

107 13 Every homosexual contyibutes to the dissolution of society, no matter how they may vote, just by virtue of being homosexual, just like every illicit drug user does likewise no matter how functional they may be 9 to 5.
Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 02:29 PM (e58od)

How about licit drug users?

Posted by: rickl at April 14, 2019 03:07 PM (sdi6R)

108 Le Tigre!

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 14, 2019 03:07 PM (FiUMj)

109 Were the appoinntments just X-rays and exams or were you doing treatment as well?
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 03:06 PM (zMvJD)

Just exams. Basically: Can you deploy tomorrow?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:08 PM (TPbH4)

110 102. there's documentation of shots coming from more than one direction.

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:08 PM (S7fGm)

111 NGU --

Seriously, that's a horrid schedule, and you have my sympathy. As do those poor souls who had to be rushed through. 7 1/2 minutes isn't enough for either of you.

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:08 PM (peukx)

112 Your supposed Trump supporting queer friend is not your friend. He is a monster who is very very good at disguising himself. The mask will fall sooner or later. I speak from first hand experience.

Go to the CDC web site and look at the health stats for the 'gay community.' Look at what they do to themselves, to the people they have dysfunctional sex with, to children.'Oh no! My fashionable gay friends would NEVER -- !' Yes they do. Marion Zimmer Bradley, Kevin Spacey, etc. -- these were not outliers. They were typical.
Nothing follows.

Posted by: Phil Ossiferz Stone at April 14, 2019 03:09 PM (bJ+By)

113 A week after the Las Vegas shooting I was drowning in opinions from self designated authorities on firearms telling me it was impossible for one man to pull that shooting off.

Yeah there was a flood of crazy about that and I think 99% of it was because the law enforcement authorities for whatever reason were just so reticent with information and action. People started to wonder why and invented all kinds of nonsense.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 03:09 PM (39g3+)

114 OT:

Tiger Woods wins #15. He won The Masters. I hope he doesn't feel awkward with all the sports writers and talking heads throw their underwear at him and scream like girls.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 14, 2019 03:09 PM (ce3ya)

115 . 7 1/2 minutes isn't enough for either of you.
Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:08 PM (peukx)

that's what SHE said!

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 03:09 PM (dm05u)

116 >that's what SHE said!

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 03:09 PM (dm05u)

ROFL

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 14, 2019 03:10 PM (zMvJD)

117 Anyone notice the got blonde that was on camera at the par 3? And her dorky as fuck husband/boyfriend, lol.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 14, 2019 03:10 PM (FiUMj)

118 souls who had to be rushed through. 7 1/2 minutes isn't enough for either of you.
Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:08 PM (peukx)

Nope. But it is basically can we deploy you for a year without having to pull you out for an emergency? And of course we do deploy dentists with them but we want to minimize having to pull them from duty

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:11 PM (TPbH4)

119 113. Initially LVPD said they were looking for two shooters. Then when FIB got involved the story changed.

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:12 PM (S7fGm)

120 Yeah post LV, there was a lot of tinfoil hat stuff, a lot of it centered on the fact the FBI wouldn't release a lot of info. Given the FBI's recent history, I can see why people are skeptical. But then it went from "why isn't the FBI revealing stuff" to "I bet you it was ISIS and the FBI is covering it up", which is where I went to full eye roll mode.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 14, 2019 03:12 PM (FiUMj)

121 Should I shout "f*g"* at every opportunity?

Isn't verbal abuse the state sport of NJ?

Posted by: DaveA at April 14, 2019 03:14 PM (FhXTo)

122 Isn't verbal abuse the state sport of NJ?
Posted by: DaveA at April 14, 2019 03:14 PM (FhXT

And breaking knees

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:15 PM (TPbH4)

123 NGU --

Understood, having been a Misguided Child myself. But still, those must've been a frantic couple of days, even with the support you're so pleased with.

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:15 PM (peukx)

124 26 I do not give rats ass who sleeps with whom. Just do not rub it in my face

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 02:34 PM (TPbH4)

As long as you aren't gonna flaunt it, I'll assume you are normal as I am. Rub it in my face, and from then on, you are same as dead to me.

Posted by: Lump at April 14, 2019 03:15 PM (2k2fb)

125 My friend met some PA militia. He said, 'there's even tranny militia!' Can you say 'plants'?

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:16 PM (S7fGm)

126 Tolerance <> room to destroy.

Posted by: DaveA at April 14, 2019 03:17 PM (FhXTo)

127 The conspiracy theories probably spring from law enforcement shushing everything up. No one is at fault. Random crazy who's dead now. The casinos are safe. No need to look deeper at security in Vegas. Bring the family.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at April 14, 2019 03:17 PM (CBrm4)

128

I have a problem with a lot of homosexual beings.

I wish most could celebrate their sexual inclination as I celebrate my heterosexuality--quietly without fanfare.

And after saying that, guess I'm done with the subject.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 14, 2019 03:18 PM (KATBx)

129 CBD - Not that you care what I think, but this is one of the best posts I've read in a long time. I had not thought about macro/micro terms and it makes perfect sense. I've been struggling with why I seem to be such a two-faced butt head when I'm again all of the leftist and gay groups, yet I'm perfectly content befriending both. Excellent article, CBD. Thank you!

Posted by: BamaBubba at April 14, 2019 03:18 PM (p9mPa)

130 125 My friend met some PA militia. He said, 'there's even tranny militia!'
**

there is no tranny militia in Pennsylvania
that was reenactment costumes

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 03:18 PM (dm05u)

131 It is that attitude that drives leftist pundits to suggest that waiters spit in conservative's food, that conservatives be shunned and made unemployable, and all the other lunacy of the Left and their desire to create metaphorical (at least for now) internment camps for those who would disagree with them.

That's right on the money. There is literally zero difference between the insane pogrom against conservatives in every aspect of American public life and the Nuremberg laws enacted against Jews. The difference is that at least the Nazis bothered to pass actual laws, which they only dismissed entirely when planning the Endoslung. American leftists are more venal in that this violates their own anti-discrimination laws and the spirit of the American nation since the Revolution. Yet they are INCOMPARABLY more stupid in enacting the laws against the white majority, who are also the most well-armed and self-sufficient part of the population.

Leftists had better hope Trump succeeds. Someone else, and this point I even include myself, would take no effort to awaken the tens of millions of addicted, impoverished white Americans. And then what larks!

Posted by: trev006 at April 14, 2019 03:18 PM (6n54H)

132 Understood, having been a Misguided Child myself. But still, those must've been a frantic couple of days, even with the support you're so pleased with.
Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:15 PM (peukx)

Shit yeah. I could complain to the asshole who is responsible for all provider coverage east of the Mississippi but since that is me, what good would it do?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:18 PM (TPbH4)

133 I once owned a lawn service business with my friend Wayne back long ago. Wayne was gay and lived with his "husband" who was an equally nice guy.

I liked Wayne and I knew he was gay but it was business and we made good money together and he was a hard worked and a good partner.

One day I asked Wayne what he did on his time off. He said he and his husband went to the local gay bars and drank and danced and had a good time and after 10 or 12 dates in the parking lot they went home.

I asked Wayne what he meant as I did not get it. Wayne said he and his husband would hook up with other fellas and do the you know what in the car in the parking lot then go back in and keep partying.

10 or 12 times with different guys in one night.

I, old, jaded been there, done that Hairyback Guy was shocked.

I sold the business within a year. That was in 1992.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 14, 2019 03:19 PM (Z+IKu)

134 119 113. Initially LVPD said they were looking for two shooters. Then when FIB got involved the story changed.
Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:12 PM (S7fGm)

There was a sketch of "John Doe #2" after Oklahoma City who looked vaguely Middle Eastern, but that was memory holed in a hurry. Nope, it was Angry White Men.

Sure, let's just take the FBI at their word.

Posted by: rickl at April 14, 2019 03:19 PM (sdi6R)

135 I don't spend a lot of time at the range but the times I was there I saw no transfolk.

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:19 PM (S7fGm)

136 I tend to follow the computer program "Tit for Tat." Meaning my opening move is going to be a friendly one, but I also will give back what you gave me. Respond in a negative fashion, look for the conversation to head south.

Posted by: Picric at April 14, 2019 03:20 PM (nonGu)

137 One of the founding principles of America is tolerance and liberty, as long as your liberty doesn't damage or destroy mine.

Two of the basic principles of Christianity is love and humility.

Two of the basic principles of Judaism are tolerance and patience.

An America based on Judeo-Christian heritage necessarily means a nation where you patiently deal with weirdos and people you disagree with, as long as they don't push it too far.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 03:22 PM (39g3+)

138 None of this conversation applies to me.

Posted by: Fiercely heterosexual Corey Booker at April 14, 2019 03:22 PM (ufFY8)

139 One of the things that saddens me about leftists, aside from their studied ignorance, is that I have friends I cannot socialize with because of their bat-shit crazy spouses.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at April 14, 2019 03:22 PM (IuUh9)

140 One of the things that saddens me about leftists, aside from their studied ignorance, is that I have friends I cannot socialize with because of their bat-shit crazy spouses.
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at April 14, 2019 03:22 PM (IuUh9)

I think that is what some of my wifes friends say about me. Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:25 PM (TPbH4)

141 NGU --

::evil grin:: Well, if you need a Plans and Scheduling specialist, you could hire Mr. Empire. He did it for the Presidential Wing for several years. You'd have to pay for us to move back up from Texas, though.

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:25 PM (peukx)

142 So we are to treat people neighborly and with love, and hope to show them through example and gentle teaching to be better.

Your whole post cannot be improved upon. Concise and in scope.

What are your thoughts on the Salt and Light principle?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 14, 2019 03:25 PM (lD3vL)

143 I think the best way to deal with gay acquaintances is to go somewhere one on one where you can privately wrestle over the issue. Sometimes I win, sometimes they do. Connections are made. Bridges are built. We all come off better for it.

Posted by: Fiercely Heterosexual Corey Booker at April 14, 2019 03:26 PM (CBrm4)

144 This was a particularly well done post. I have found myself, unlike CBD, unable to have lib former friends at my house. This is not because of their beliefs, or their need to express them, but how they express them. You don't get to call me a fascist assh*le and come to Thanksgiving dinner. You find yourself uninvited if you can't control your name calling even if you are not a lib.

I also agree on transgenderism, but I'd kick it up a notch due to the self-mutilation factor. It is a stain on the medical profession that they assist this psychosis.

Posted by: CN at April 14, 2019 03:26 PM (U7k5w)

145 They were gay whores.

Posted by: JAS at April 14, 2019 03:28 PM (KOCKb)

146
Posted by: Gabe Malor at April 14, 2019 02:55 PM (KnIfp)

Fuckyou, cocksuckah!!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 14, 2019 03:28 PM (a6fCG)

147 evil grin:: Well, if you need a Plans and Scheduling specialist, you could hire Mr. Empire. He did it for the Presidential Wing for several years. You'd have to pay for us to move back up from Texas, though.
Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:25 PM (peukx)

I will keep that in mind. My. Problem is they keep moving my dentists to the green ( Marine ) side and we do not have enough to dentist and doctors to do what we have to do.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2019 03:28 PM (TPbH4)

148 There are distinctions to be drawn here.

1. It's problematic to take the position of the linked article, because of the glaring fact that we are all sinners. Sure, sodomy is a sin. But then, so is even fantasizing about a woman not your wife. On that one alone, I'm finished. It is fundamental to Christian doctrine that no one is worthy.

2. There is a danger in the "I don't care" attitude, in that it so easily (and usually) fades into "there's nothing wrong with it. That's a non-sequitur. (An analogous case is those market libertarians who move from "a private organization can do what it wants" to "you shouldn't criticize such actions.")

3. There is, on the private as well as the public level, the problem of those who demand that you take notice and approve. This isn't really new; I saw it in the early 70s. The only new thing is that people are more afraid to criticize it.

4. There is a legitimate question of which behaviors are socially dangerous, and under which conditions. The homo chic is really a part of a wider phenomenon, the sacralization of sex, per se (and relatedly, of romantic love). But the biggest openly dangerous fact is not something the homosexuals are doing. It is the out-of-wedlock birth rate. And the destruction of the family, in general. (Note, Benedict has just pointed out this, and a lot more. I miss him.)

5. The entire elevation of tolerance is itself something that can be questioned. It is so deeply embedded in us (and in me too, I'm a NY Boomer) that it is treated as a self-evident truth, and as fundamental to the moral law. That means that discussions of the limits are almost impossible; this is compounded by the current trend on the left to carve out places where tolerance is not only not practiced, but considered intolerable. One point here is that actions and arguments are so often conflated. It is possible to be fairly strict on the former, but allow the latter (as in the 13th C, for instance.)

Posted by: Eeyore at April 14, 2019 03:29 PM (VaN/j)

149 140: It is usually the wives who feel free to vocalize their "honest opinions" in the most vulgar terms, like that dem woman, Tiegen, who thinks dems should say "fuck you" more often. As I mentioned above, you don't need to come to dinner if that's your preferred form of expression to your hosts.

Posted by: CN at April 14, 2019 03:30 PM (U7k5w)

150 "So we are to treat people neighborly and with love, and hope to show them through example and gentle teaching to be better."

Except that's exactly what the Left and all of its branches tell themselves, too. About us. Yet they are increasingly willing to use force of government and plain terror to do it.

No society can survive that intact. A breaking point must come.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 03:31 PM (e58od)

151 137 One of the founding principles of America is tolerance and liberty, as long as your liberty doesn't damage or destroy mine.

Two of the basic principles of Christianity is love and humility.

Two of the basic principles of Judaism are tolerance and patience.

An America based on Judeo-Christian heritage necessarily means a nation where you patiently deal with weirdos and people you disagree with, as long as they don't push it too far.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 14, 2019 03:22 PM (39g3+)
_______

The whole question is where does "too far" start? Twitter, apparently, thinks quoting Mother Teresa on abortion is over the line.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 14, 2019 03:32 PM (VaN/j)

152 Yeah. They kept reassigning pilots and support personnel there, too. PS is never easy, but with practice, you can get pretty durn good at it. He is.

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:32 PM (peukx)

153 The same can be said, and I'm sure it has, about illegal immigration. This video from Blue Collar Logic expresses it well:

https://youtu.be/NSrQ7wJC1Yc

Posted by: Average Guy at April 14, 2019 03:32 PM (XNKSI)

154 (143] Like a handicap port-a-jon at a grade school picnic. Good spot. This Corey guy is a fiercely original thinker.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 14, 2019 03:32 PM (RuIsu)

155 You know who gives no shits about your disapproval of his anti-gay stance? The local Imam.

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:33 PM (S7fGm)

156 P ampersand S ::sigh::

Posted by: empire1 at April 14, 2019 03:33 PM (peukx)

157

Speaking of cocksuckahs....

Illionois and 17 other leftist-controlled states are passing laws to forbid President Trump on their '20 ballots unless he releases his tax returns.

I'm no cocksucking lawyer guy or gal, but this sounds to me like illegal extortion.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 14, 2019 03:34 PM (a6fCG)

158 157: I think it's just illegal, unless releasing your returns is a Constitutional qualification.

Posted by: CN at April 14, 2019 03:34 PM (U7k5w)

159

What's worse is how many cockknockers and pickle smoochers on "our side" who say yeah Trump should show his tax returns.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 14, 2019 03:35 PM (a6fCG)

160 "I refuse to hold individuals accountable for my perception of the failings of their groups".

Yeah, I know. I didn't hold Japanese soldiers accountable for the expansionist policies of Japan and the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I still killed them, but didn't take it personally. It was just business. No, at some point, we do have to hold individuals accountable for the failings of their groups. I'm not sure that we're there yet, but close. I personally don't really care about whether some guy likes to suck some other guys lollipop, but if they are shamed or shunned, they'll at least keep their behavior in the closet so as not to infect another generation with the idea that it is just another "equal" choice.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at April 14, 2019 03:37 PM (3sjI6)

161 itesting/i

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 14, 2019 03:37 PM (+fPHo)

162

That's like Illinois Democrats saying you can't be on the ballot unless you show us your bank account balance.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 14, 2019 03:38 PM (a6fCG)

163 Don't believe the ridiculous Trump tax returns stuff has any chance - even with *our* mostly collapsed judicial system. States cannot apply standards different than those in the constitution for federal elections (qualifications for candidates). That's why term limits have only been applied in some cases to state elected officers. So let this play out, kabuki, I imagine it will be squashed quickly once filing times approach.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 14, 2019 03:38 PM (QDnY+)

164 24 13
Every homosexual contyibutes to the dissolution of society, no matter
how they may vote, just by virtue of being homosexual, just like every
illicit drug user does likewise no matter how functional they may be 9
to 5.

Posted by: doomed

You're an idiot.
Posted by: pep at April 14, 2019 02:33 PM (T6t7i)

When people attempt to make the perverted normal this is where I draw the line. Sticking your dick up some guys butt is perverted. Wanna do it? Fine. I do not care and I do not want to know about it. Do not attempt to equate it to heterosexual sex or marriage.
Homos are at best 2% of the population: it is a lifestyle choice and will always be.
Also, you are a man or a woman by your chromosomes, regardless of your fucking feelings.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at April 14, 2019 03:39 PM (QMwOT)

165 The formatting describe doesn't seem to work in Safari on iPhone

i I'll try again for italics and larve a space /i

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 14, 2019 03:39 PM (+fPHo)

166 test for italics.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 14, 2019 03:40 PM (+fPHo)

167 Oh, Yell in my face and call me names and you will get it back in spades and at the time and place of my choosing.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at April 14, 2019 03:42 PM (QMwOT)

168 The whole question is where does "too far" start? Twitter, apparently, thinks quoting Mother Teresa on abortion is over the line.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 14, 2019 03:32 PM

....

It won't just be Twitter soon. It'll be illegal to quote Scripture under hate speech laws at a church.

I'll object to that kind of oppression, but will invite the people that champion that oppression into my house for a cup of coffee and a nice chat, because something, something, something.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 14, 2019 03:43 PM (KnIfp)

169 test for italics.

Positive, but you're in luck. Modern antibiotics can cure that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2019 03:43 PM (fuK7c)

170 o/t - & vulgar, i know, but i wanted you to be the first to know:

tiger woods won the masters, and the guy who placed an $85,000 wager on him to win @ 14-1 won $1,190,000.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 14, 2019 03:43 PM (Pg+x7)

171 My private world is so small, I pretty much only have a macro.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 14, 2019 03:45 PM (r+sAi)

172 2. There is a danger in the "I don't care" attitude, in that it so easily (and usually) fades into "there's nothing wrong with it. That's a non-sequitur. (An analogous case is those market libertarians who move from "a private organization can do what it wants" to "you shouldn't criticize such actions.")

Related: The idea that the government should not criminalize certain behaviors does not mean that such behaviors are not wrong nor does it mean that people, either as individuals or as private organizations, should not be allowed to criticize that behavior or advocate change.

I'm thinking specifically of CBD's post some years ago in which he took umbrage at an article arguing that people should stop watching Game of Thrones, on the grounds that How Dare Someone Tell Free Americans that a private choice was wrong.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 14, 2019 03:46 PM (bZ7mE)

173 Conflating politics and religion? Hmmmm....

As a Christian, everyone is a sinner. Unless you are perfect, and that includes the perfect weight (no gluttony), the perfect temper, etc., then you are a sinner. Your job is not to judge. Oh, you do, but you're not supposed to.

My problem is when they tell me that it's NOT a sin. Gay clergy, under the pretense that it's not a sin? No, that's heresy.

I can deal with the minister who can't quit smoking, but tries. I can't deal when he tells me "it's not a sin." Of course it's a sin. So is homosexuality.

Blocking their agenda is not the same as judging them as individuals.

Socialism, otoh, is not religion. I'll only tolerate a socialist to a degree, even if they are family.

Posted by: RobM1981 at April 14, 2019 03:46 PM (/7e9q)

174 I have a problem with a lot of homosexual beings.

I wish most could celebrate their sexual inclination as I celebrate my heterosexuality--quietly without fanfare.

And after saying that, guess I'm done with the subject.
Posted by: irongrampa

^this

Posted by: kactus at April 14, 2019 03:47 PM (nhtPC)

175 Any parents who object to trans indoctrination of their kids need to enlist the help of their muslim neighbors. School boards are so afraid of being 'racist'!

Posted by: kallisto at April 14, 2019 03:47 PM (S7fGm)

176 A zillion different sets of circumstances, a zillion personal approaches here.

None of the many, many, many people I have somewhat or substantially, effectively, shunned or dropped due to their political ignorance and alien values have any responsibility for any "groups". But they do for themselves, their own words, and behavior.

That's my approach. And I have endured literally decades of humoring bigots and airheads and also highly intelligent successful people who are drooling idiots when it comes to public policy. One large set is "normal" people, with no background or experience whatsoever in anything beyond their personal professional stuff. NPR listener types. Maybe 20 years ago, I'd gently correct them on something, but it always depended on context. The other set are deeply involved (and up to levels including US senators and other - past - senior officials) - the chill with them started long ago, and was about complete about 2006 or so.

Just good manners, a relaxed personality, and the absence of any evangelical impulses has usually sufficed. But in recent years my patience was worn out. Which has led to low-key avoidance or shunning, no drama. Everyone has their own style.

For decades, with the first group, I didn't raise a "political" topic. Decades. Not once. But some of these people, especially the most ignorant, misinformed, or least effectively intelligent ones, can't help themselves. Their lack of socratic knowledge is breath-taking. So they go out of their way to raise topics they nothing about - but boy do they have "opinions". Dumb, baseless, socially determined opinions that are merely regurtitating the Idiot Marinade in which they've soaked their whole lives.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 14, 2019 03:48 PM (QDnY+)

177 I tolerate a lot of things.
But don't try to force me to "celebrate " them.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 03:49 PM (Msutc)

178 Doesn't being attracted to someone your own sex mean that there are distinct sexes? If you are a man that likes men then you are making a distinction.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 03:50 PM (UdKB7)

179 Love the sinner but hate the sin?

Sure, people are people, and some are idiots, some are misguided, and some have invincible ignorance about reality.

None of that means one can display bad manners, publicly or privately, without consequence.

That said, no, I will not attend a so-called gay marriage ceremony. No, I will not refer to "married" homosexuals as man and.... husband. No, I will not invite "married" homosexuals into my house, because my children would see that and assume I was good with the whole notion. I'm not.

I guess I'm just an old fashioned garden variety bigot.

Except, I'm not. I want the highest and best for my friends who believe they are "gay." I want them to have wonderful lives and go to heaven. I want them to learn how much God loves them, but hates their sin. Just as I feel about adulterers, liars, blasphemers, and any other miserable sinners, such as myself.

I do not judge people. That is God's job. But I do judge behaviors and the consequences of behaviors, and that is what I have been told to do by God Almighty. There are such things as intrinsically evil behaviors, and it is important to say so. It is NOT intrinsically good to do so in a manner that causes more pain, hurt, or damage; that is also a sin.

To the left, I'm the worst kind of deplorable. But it is the convictions I hold that have allowed the left to have the freedoms to behave the way they do. So be it.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 14, 2019 03:50 PM (vVOK2)

180 I guess I am nhtPC

Posted by: kactus at April 14, 2019 03:50 PM (nhtPC)

181 173 Conflating politics and religion? Hmmmm....

As a Christian, everyone is a sinner. Unless you are perfect, and that includes the perfect weight (no gluttony), the perfect temper, etc., then you are a sinner. Your job is not to judge. Oh, you do, but you're not supposed to.

My problem is when they tell me that it's NOT a sin. Gay clergy, under the pretense that it's not a sin? No, that's heresy.

I can deal with the minister who can't quit smoking, but tries. I can't deal when he tells me "it's not a sin." Of course it's a sin. So is homosexuality.

Blocking their agenda is not the same as judging them as individuals.

Socialism, otoh, is not religion. I'll only tolerate a socialist to a degree, even if they are family.

Posted by: RobM1981 at April 14, 2019 03:46 PM (/7e9q)

WELL SAID!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at April 14, 2019 03:51 PM (QMwOT)

182 "...so as not to infect another generation with the idea that it is just another "equal" choice."

The leaven principle, right there.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 03:51 PM (e58od)

183 I'm no cocksucking lawyer guy or gal, but this sounds to me like illegal extortion.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 14, 2019 03:34 PM (a6fCG)

You'd think I would be more outraged at the idea, but I'm not. The fact is, even if the Democrats had the nads to declare the President cannot be re-elected, the outcome of 2020 will not matter. President Trump is so successful that he can demand his followers set every Congressperson on fire and stack their skulls in a pyramid. So either he wins, and life goes on, or he loses due to massive fraud and refuses to step down. For once, this is not the most inportant election ever and I refuse to get further angry at the dogshit legal system. I mean, why would I? When you're at "Kill them All," why would you get even angrier?

Posted by: trev006 at April 14, 2019 03:52 PM (6n54H)

184 I work for LAPD and my best friend there is gay ... and conservative. He laughs at and mocks "Big Gay Inc." as he calls gay activists. He grew up around the world due to his father's work including a couple years living in Saudi Arabia as a teen. He learned what real "homophobia" means.

I mock the whole transgender phenomenon with the best of them. That being said, my niece recently asked me questions about problems my son had with severe anxiety when he was younger because of issues she's now having with her teen daughter. My sister (the girl is not her granddaughter, she's my brother's) told me the "issues" she's having seem to be she wants to become a boy.

Now that it has hit close to home, I still don't feel any differently in the macro sense that this whole movement is a leftist sham. There is a lot of plasticity or malleability to many people's sexuality in the teenage years. I'm not saying it's untrue that some people truly feel they were born the wrong sex and have always felt that way, but I believe too many people are swayed by the media to latch on to this for some respite to issues they have. I love my niece and I will be supportive and compassionate privately, but I still feel a great disservice is being done by the media to inflame this phenomenon and make it grow.

Posted by: LukeHandCool at April 14, 2019 03:54 PM (0XX9T)

185 "I do not give rats ass who sleeps with whom. Just do not rub it in my face"

I know of a certain bakery that would disagree with you.

The reason to fight back was, I think, nicely stated by a blogger whose name I forget - "Tolerance is not enough. You MUST approve."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 14, 2019 03:54 PM (Ki5SV)

186 I always love the "judging" conversation.

When you point out that someone is in a state of sin in accordance with God's revealed will, you aren't "judging".

God gave you the law, it's not your judgement, it's God's judgement.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 14, 2019 03:54 PM (KnIfp)

187 The whole question is where does "too far" start? Twitter, apparently, thinks quoting Mother Teresa on abortion is over the line.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 14, 2019 03:32 PM (VaN/j)

Going too far is denying children the fundamental right to have a mother AND a father, and raising them in a hypersexual environment which denies them their years of innocence. "Gay" marriage leads to all sorts of idiocy, and some of it should be criminal.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 14, 2019 03:58 PM (vVOK2)

188 It may just be me, but I think people should stop chopping off body parts and sticking things up their butt. But that's to their detriment, not mine.
The exception is passing laws that promote chopping off body parts and sticking things up their butt using tax dollars.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 14, 2019 03:58 PM (r+sAi)

189 There was a sketch of "John Doe #2" after Oklahoma City who looked vaguely Middle Eastern, but that was memory holed in a hurry. Nope, it was Angry White Men.

Sure, let's just take the FBI at their word.
Posted by: rickl at April 14, 2019 03:19 PM (sdi6R)

Since we are rapidly approaching the anniversary on April 19th, let's not forget the unexplained leftover leg in the rubble. Never explained, just ignored. Jayna Davis has devoted her life since the bombing to finding answers and one of the answers was this:

BJ Clinton desperately wanted two things, which were to be re-elected and to win the Nobel Peace Prize for peace in the Middle East. So OKC had to G-O A-W-A-Y.

I wasn't born here in OK, but, my Dad was (Mom just over the line in KS) and many other family were born here and are buried here. I can tell you this, we deserved better than we got from the FBI, et al.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at April 14, 2019 04:00 PM (kXoT0)

190 183
President Trump is so successful that he can demand his followers set every Congressperson on fire and stack their skulls in a pyramid.
Posted by: trev006 at April 14, 2019 03:52 PM (6n54H)

I can haz newsletter?

Posted by: rickl at April 14, 2019 04:00 PM (sdi6R)

191 186

Reporting on and reminding people what God said He will judge is not, in itself, judging.

But so what if it is? Christ said to judge with righteous judgment. That's what this is. But it's not my standard. You said it yourself...it's God's.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 04:01 PM (e58od)

192 Nood.

Posted by: HH at April 14, 2019 04:01 PM (mIJBI)

193 I asked Wayne what he meant as I did not get it. Wayne said he and his husband would hook up with other fellas and do the you know what in the car in the parking lot then go back in and keep partying.

10 or 12 times with different guys in one night.

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4 of the 12 different guys left their wives (female) at home with their kids. 1 college boy took a night off from his girlfriend, saved on dinner, and got a quality upgrade on the oral.

Posted by: G at April 14, 2019 04:02 PM (NT8y4)

194 God gave you the law, it's not your judgement, it's God's judgement.

Technical point here: Read the salutation to the Ten Commandments "I am the LORD thy God who brought you out of the land of Egypt from the house of bondage"

So unless you are an ethnic Jew and reject the revealed Messiah, the Law is not for you.

Sinners are just doing their job descriptions. Far too many are overachievers.

OTOH, The Just lives by faith, not by works. As mentioned in another thread, it is the sanctifying action of the Paraclete that replaces the Law in stone with the Law written on the heart.

As for "judging" - the Elect are supposed to be fruit inspectors. Starting with oneself.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 14, 2019 04:02 PM (lD3vL)

195 I want them to learn how much God loves them, but hates their sin.

What are your thoughts on Psalms 5:5 ?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 14, 2019 04:08 PM (lD3vL)

196 Doesn't being attracted to someone your own sex mean that there are distinct sexes? If you are a man that likes men then you are making a distinction.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 03:50 PM (UdKB7)

Some in the gay community are not on board with the trans worship. Martina Navratilova is a good example of this.

Posted by: RickZ at April 14, 2019 04:17 PM (Y8PSl)

197 194

The law is written upon the hearts of all, Jew and Gentile alike. It is called the conscience. God put it there. It is what informs people who never heard of Him of right and wrong...unless and until their sins bring them to a point where they have seared their conscience into insensitivity. At that point, there's likely no hope of repentance.

Said all that to say, appealing to that sense of right and wrong is a legitimate use of the law, as it is the schoolmaster that tells of our need for Christ. That's its purpose.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 04:17 PM (e58od)

198 183
President Trump is so successful that he can demand his followers set every Congressperson on fire and stack their skulls in a pyramid.
Posted by: trev006 at April 14, 2019 03:52 PM (6n54H)

Yay!! I'll bring the hot dogs!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 14, 2019 04:18 PM (ce3ya)

199 Alex the Chick is welcomed to my *ahem* table *ahem* and onto my *ahem* heart *ahem* anytime.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 14, 2019 04:19 PM (hYUjK)

200 21 The problem, IMO, is with the education these young people are getting. My grandchildren are post 9-11 born, and I constantly run into thoughts they've been taught that I need to correct. They can't be faulted for not being aware that there are other ideas if nobody tells them that there aredifferent ideas. I like to think I've enlightened them, but in reality it's enough for me if I've caused them to think.
Posted by: Chillin the most at April 14, 2019 02:32 PM (lonOK)

Unfortunately, way too many kids born or were infants on 9/11 who go to a public education system have been taught that destructive attack was what pondscum like Ilhan Omar said it was.

I woke my 5 year old up early that morning, and brought him into the TV room about 5 minutes after the second tower was hit. My wife disagreed, but I said he was 5 and he was old enough to learn everything, and we sat and talked about what was happening.

My son first learned about evil that day. While it was thousands of miles away in a suburb of Seattle, it was evil. He was set straight about Omar's type that morning.

Oh, and when he went to Catholic elementary school, as the news came in and the towers fell, they prayed. And prayed. And prayed some more.

Another fault of our public schools - those kids had to face it without asking for help from God.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 14, 2019 04:22 PM (sy5kK)

201 >>>194 & 197

Romans 2?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 14, 2019 04:35 PM (x/kcP)

202 Some in the gay community are not on board with the trans worship. Martina Navratilova is a good example of this.
Posted by: RickZ at April 14, 2019 04:17 PM (Y8PSl)

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The transition from GLBT to LGBT symbolized an important change.

Posted by: G at April 14, 2019 04:36 PM (iQKgg)

203 For all the reasons given above, there's one more that may be the most important of all. When you treat anyone you disagree with politically or morally with hostility and automatic opposition, you are going out well out of your way to create enemies where you might have found allies, or at the very least who would have been neutral to you.

I see that happening with AOC right now - her Loud and Proud hostility is waking up a whole lot of people politically right now, people that I know and who have always been "eh, live and let live, I don't want to get involved" up until now.

Posted by: tom servo at April 14, 2019 04:40 PM (KS7KL)

204 201

Yes indeed. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. None of himself is exempt. But not all glory in their shame either, nor seek to force others to do so.

The men of sure Sodom did, though. They're the logical result of refusing to bake the cake.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 04:42 PM (e58od)

205 Greetings:

What continues to amaze me a bit is the ability of the homosexual dysfunction cabal to inflict both its practice and its agenda on the rest of society especially in light of the bogus "science" that removed it from the DSM and the AIDS epidemic that arrived not long after and that we are still subsidizing.

I guess that the Professor who taught the Group Dynamics class was right about the inability of polite societies to deal with "determined minorities".

Posted by: 11B40 at April 14, 2019 04:49 PM (evgyj)

206 At a family get together not long ago I said something in reply to someone else and my one sister said "Let's not go there"

My sisters are all rabid Democrats who hate OrangeManBad.

I refuse to back down from their insanity.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at April 14, 2019 04:52 PM (T09ml)

207 I gave up on Facebook.

My not backing down caused hard feelings.

Twitter banned me. Multiple times.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at April 14, 2019 04:54 PM (T09ml)

208 "I guess that the Professor who taught the Group Dynamics class was right about the inability of polite societies to deal with "determined minorities". "

The danger is when they don't know when to quit and force society to be less than polite. Kinda is like the bar in Roadhouse. Nice...or not so nice.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 05:00 PM (e58od)

209 206

No, not as long as you understand that they are not reasonable people. They rationalize but are far from rational.

Posted by: doomed at April 14, 2019 05:02 PM (e58od)

210 I think this private/public distinction is why/how conservatives lost the culture war. I'm against "x" but will treat those who do "x" with love and respect is not feasible. It's also why I gave up on the culture war and social conservatism; there are virtually no cultural conservatives anymore. They surrendered.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 14, 2019 05:33 PM (H5knJ)

211 Speaking of cocksuckahs....

Illionois and 17 other leftist-controlled states are passing laws to forbid President Trump on their '20 ballots unless he releases his tax returns.

I'm no cocksucking lawyer guy or gal, but this sounds to me like illegal extortion.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 14, 2019 03:34 PM (a6fCG)

That's a Bill of Attainder (i.e., a law applicable to only one person) and thus in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 05:42 PM (5Yee7)

212 Yesterday a granddaughter and I were getting our nails done at a salon that had the tv on. We live in Michigan and the news was saying that the ag has decided to drop the charges on doctors who had been doing female mutilation surgery due to the doctors having religios protection. I had to explain to my granddaughter what female mutilation surgery is. She thought it was a form of transgendering. I'm not sure this new world is beneficial.

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 14, 2019 05:56 PM (lonOK)

213 On the subject of reality hitting the sanctuary cites:

.... NIMBY were the Borogoves....

Posted by: Kadath at April 14, 2019 06:15 PM (YOhRS)

214 I think this private/public distinction is why/how conservatives lost the culture war. I'm against "x" but will treat those who do "x" with love and respect is not feasible. It's also why I gave up on the culture war and social conservatism; there are virtually no cultural conservatives anymore. They surrendered.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 14, 2019 05:33 PM (H5knJ)

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Did they surrender or simply lose repeatedly?

When you argue DADT will destroy the military and it is not generally perceived to have done so...

When you argue that removing DADT will destroy the military, and it is not perceived to have done so...

When you argue tranitization will destroy the military...

and time will yield a general perception...

It might not be the best argument to make in future, however valid it may be, that admitting married trannies to USMA will destroy the effectiveness of the Army...

(All this while the forces were feminized!)

When high profile social conservative religious leaders (married with children) are found having gay sex in the bushes and the prelates and sub-prelates are sodomizing the alter boys, the cause is not promoted. The percentage of the offenders does't really matter in public perception.

Posted by: G at April 14, 2019 06:17 PM (iQKgg)

215 Sounds like some progressives might be regressing back to reality.

http://tinyurl.com/y23wpfr9

Posted by: Kadath at April 14, 2019 06:20 PM (YOhRS)

216 Sounds like some progressives might be regressing back to reality.

http://tinyurl.com/y23wpfr9
Posted by: Kadath at April 14, 2019 06:20 PM (YOhRS)

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The exception comment proving the general rule of thought.

And FFS, The headline writer there seems to have converted "struggling immigrants" into "asylum seekers". Good gods.

Posted by: G at April 14, 2019 06:26 PM (iQKgg)

217 Speaking of climate change and refugees, are we officially in a Climate of Fear or a Climate of Hate?

Posted by: G at April 14, 2019 06:38 PM (iQKgg)

218 I've always subscribed to the "live and let live" school of thought. In other words, don't shove your beliefs in my face and I will reciprocate. Unfortunately, too many of the other side want me to shut up and take it as they shove their ideologue into my face. When I get drawn into a political discussion with an ultra lib friend of mine, her response to my argument is to keep shouting "no" at me as I'm trying to talk, then repeating the same memes as her side of the discussion. (We've been friends for forty years, share many non-political interests, and we try not to wander off into the political weeds. Every now and again, we slip up.)

I do not resent homosexuality, but I do resent the attempt to force me to how down and worship it. I was a feminist fifty years ago; today the very term makes me furious. I've been known to tell so-called feminists I've never been a victim and never will be, and that I think with my brain not my vagina, thank you very much. I am as cautious around aggressive white males as I am around black or brown men. I get very angry when someone assumes I'm racist simply because I'm white. I really get angry when the word immigrant is conflated with illegal in and I am suddenly branded as against any type of immigration.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 14, 2019 06:44 PM (ebZss)

219 There was enough virtue signaling in that post to satisfy most college freshman for a week.

Posted by: Quilp at April 14, 2019 07:34 PM (Bf3hj)

220 I hope this isn't too late, but it's been crazy busy at the store where I work. I will never vote for Mayor Pete because of his policies - period. However, his personal life is a legitimate object of scrutiny. Frankly, I don't believe the official version we're being given.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at April 14, 2019 07:49 PM (jDLWo)

221 Did a double take on this one. Prager's thoughts are close to a mirror image of something I've been thinking about.
How do you explain to a "progressive" or their dumb little brothers and sisters in college, that political correctness is wrong and not useful. After all, they will say, we're just asking you to be polite and not say something that upsets someone. I've had them say that its what they teach their young children. I've been thinking that this is taking something that is in fact "polite" in an individual and inappropriately forcing it on the public discourse and making that discourse much less effective. This is to the detriment of millions while PC as politeness only helps a few. I'd also been thinking that public morality and private morality differ as well. Things that are moral for me such as going tinto debt to send a child to college may not be moral for the government. Why,? Because the consequences are different and damage different individuals and groups. My debit damages me and my immediate family and arguably my heirs. A small group which can probably recover from my debt. The government on the other hand is damaging not only millions of people but millions of people in future generations. The results of the governments sale of debt to send someone to college are vastly different from the results of my debt, both in scope and degree of damage. My thoughts, which are still only half jelled, is that one major problem with progressives is that they can't tell the difference between an individual and government. Mind, I'm only talking about the 'useful idiots" among progressives who actually mean well. Not the careerist power seekers or the mental defectives who just get their jollies by bullying someone to get their way. So, on second thought, my ideas may only apply to a handful of "progressives" after all.

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