What Is NeverTrump's Great Strategic Plan for Regaining Power, Exactly?

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This strain of anti-Trumpism is so fascinating to me, mostly because I have no idea what they think the endgame is? Like, do they think they have the ability to reach a position of power within the Republican Party again? Or at least a Republican Party that can win nationally? https://t.co/heJ4lLlwfu
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

I mean, if you didn't like Trump, there were three basic things for the Republican Party establishment types to do: (a) grudgingly accept the loss, and say "okay, we'll fight this out again in 8 years"; (b) leave the Party or; (c) declare a civil war. 2/
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

Which, on (c), fine, but once you've basically declared that you're not going to accept a fair-and-square win by a large group that you're in a coalition with -- setting aside the fact that a lot of these folks helped that win by sinking $$$ into a non-starter like Jeb. -- 3/
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

It's basically over for you. Because the other group is just going to do the same thing if you/your candidate comes out on top next time. The correct analogy isn't "civil war" or "guerillas" or whatever, its a kamikaze strike. You're not coming out alive. 4/
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

In their own bizarre way, this brand of NeverTrump are basically operating under the exact same theory as Anton's famous "Flight 93 election," except applied to an intra-party contest. Gotta risk destroying what we believe in, because the alternative is so terrible. 5/5
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

He talked about the break-up of the party being about the "Senior Partners" in the coalition -- the Establishment, which actually had a relatively small popular base of support but was closer to power, as they ran magazines and lived in DC -- not being willing to cede any amount of power-sharing to the "Junior Partners" in the coalition -- religious cons, real conservatives -- despite the fact that the Junior Partners were not willing to be mere Junior Partners any longer.

Yeah, I think that's right. I think what I'm really saying is that this group was happy to be in coalition with the others, as long as they were the senior partner and convinced the others to go along with things they didn't like.
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

I just wonder if they think things are going back to the way they were? They might have, if they'd taken junior partner status for 4-8 years. And I understand why they wouldn't do that. I just am not certain they understand the consequences of that refusal. It's fascinating.
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

I talked about this Senior Partner/Junior Partner dispute back in February 2016, and I predicted, because it was obvious, the sweeping away of the "Senior Partners" if they refused to share partner and decision-making with no-longer-willing-to-be-pawns Junior Partners. And of course the Establishment did just what I expected them to do -- the stupid thing, because, despite their protestations and egos, they are simply not very intelligent at all. They decided to make all-out war not only on supposed allies but allies who actually outnumbered them, and then were shocked when those allies made war back and deposed them from power entirely.

As I've repeatedly shouted, the GOP must be open to a more equitable division of power through its ranks, or it will simply split apart.
It's true that Trump's 40% is not all of the party, nor is Cruz's 30% -- but then, neither is the "Senior Partner" wing's 30% all of the party, either, though they frequently act as if it is.
But they desperately want their 30% of the vote to continue giving them 100% of the veto power.
BTW, I was long a nonpartisan in this fight and considered the fights between the wings to be inside baseball and petty palace intrigues. But now that the fight is out in the open, and consuming the party, it will have to be engaged with and settled with some sort of resolution.
"We will continue to win all the important fights" is not an acceptable resolution.
A big reason for this, of course, is Obama: Obama is actually the transformationally figure he wanted to be. He is hyperpartisan, and his hyperpartisanship has exerted such pressure on the conservative coalition that the weak fissures in it have begun to crack wide open.
Nevertheless, it is clear to many people that the "Senior Partners," as Douthat calls them, seem to call all of the shots, and they are no longer content with this arrangement.
The Senior Partners simply must permit some reorganization and some serious power-sharing and decision-making, or else they'll be left a rump party, a bunch of chiefs in search of Indians to follow them.
I keep saying this, and I'll keep on saying this: You can attempt a winner-take-all strategy against an actual enemy, in this case the Democrat Party, but you cannot, or rather must not, attempt such a winner-take-all strategy against allies.
Because if you employ this All Out War attitude against allies, they'll first attempt to rebel, and then, failing that, they'll secede.

Trende argues some with that Obese Idiot Tom Nichols, calling that fat sack of fat "delusional."

I don't know why it's satisfying to read someone else writing extremely obvious things, things we've written ourselves ten billion times, but it is. I guess it's just good to see someone else finally figuring it out:

Agreed. A large portion of the GOP establishment loathes their base. The base figured it out.
— Sean T at RCP (@SeanTrende) February 22, 2019

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:02 PM

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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 22, 2019 04:04 PM (GBteo)

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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 22, 2019 04:04 PM (GBteo)

3 3 ... and on to content

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 22, 2019 04:04 PM (GBteo)

4 I've been asking this as well - what is NeverTrump trying to accomplish? What actual, concrete goals are they trying to achieve other than feathering their own nests.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at February 22, 2019 04:04 PM (GbPPJ)

5 They atre doing what they are being paid to do.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 04:05 PM (BXMxN)

6 They never had power.

Just a megaphone. That's now shoved up their own arses...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:05 PM (6qErC)

7 Ace, somebody pointed out the black flag has been co-opted by the Cuckshed.

http://tinyurl.com/yyuuxh7c

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:05 PM (t6MX/)

8
NeverTrump philosophy is simple: bang 14 year olds and then wiz on their face and punish them.

Now, was that so hard?

Posted by: Robert 'Beto' Kelly at February 22, 2019 04:06 PM (UFLLM)

9 Meanwhile:

Senior US Justice Dept. official: Reports that the US attorney general will receive the report from Special Counsel Mueller by the end of next week are incorrect.Senior US Justice Dept. official: Reports that the US attorney general will receive the report from Special Counsel Mueller by the end of next week are incorrect.

Huh. It is almost as if CNN is a bad news source and they often make things up.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:06 PM (9VeU0)

10 They hate me they really hate me!

Posted by: It's me donna at February 22, 2019 04:06 PM (O2RFr)

11 We - the junior partners - have ben saying this for years.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at February 22, 2019 04:07 PM (S/lWB)

12 5 They atre doing what they are being paid to do.
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 04:05 PM (BXMxN)

Yeah, I think it's more this than anything.

I think their egos were bruised when they realized they had far less sway then they thought they did, as evidenced by Trumps win in the primaries.

And now, most of them have found a pay check insulting Trump and Trump voters, so... that's that.

If the money dries up, they'll all do a mea culpa and try to worm their way back in to their old positions as so-called "thought leaders."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 22, 2019 04:07 PM (GBteo)

13 Well right now I'm doing whatever my Iranian left wing billionaire backer tells me to do. My end game is grift.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at February 22, 2019 04:07 PM (SkuXa)

14 I'm starting to question the term "educated elite"

Posted by: Inogame at February 22, 2019 04:07 PM (ySZHT)

15 NeverTrump is like some fat incel white knight. They're sitting home alone on Prom night jealous of all the fun others are having, angry that the girls don't see what a catch they are.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (wCmLp)

16 Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. I got the Little burger, a drink, and fried.

$15!

WTF?!?!?

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (9VeU0)

17 Uniparty Uber alles!

Posted by: Senator Hrothgar at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (f3oO4)

18 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (Y5LDn)

19 They are taking their ball and going home, like children. They no longer run things and cannot just become Dems outright as they will not run things there either.

Posted by: Inogame at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (ySZHT)

20 They hate us. We merely find them annoying and dishonest. This makes them hate us even moar.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (2LelM)

21 Huh. It is almost as if CNN is a bad news source and they often make things up.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:06 PM (9VeU0)

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It is a headline they have been trotting out when they want to change the current narrative since before the election.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (ffYR/)

22 I cant see my penis!

Posted by: Tom Nichols at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (SkuXa)

23 I think what I'm really saying is that this group was happy to be in coalition with the others, as long as they were the senior partner and convinced the others to go along with things they didn't like.

That's not true. The Vichy Republicans never liked being in the same voting bloc as I am. THey hated the idea of being associated with me in any way, shape, or form. THey only put up with it because they had to.

So, when they finally got tossed on their asses (after we had propped them up to fight the conservative battle, which they refused to do, over and over and over, instead pointing at me and saying that I was the thing they needed to stomp out) they totally lost it and no longer felt any need to put up with any association with me or my type any longer.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (+pejQ)

24 Do you think my methods are unsound?
All due respect, sir, I don't see any method at all.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (7PllL)

25 The Establishment was what made the GOP the GOPe, and The Stupid Party.

Yeah, sure. Let's bring that back.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (NYS7S)

26 I've never understood how neverTrumpers feel the election of the party of death, corruption, criminality and insanity would make the United States a better place. And isn't that the point?
But being Cap'n Bill means you never have to explain.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (aCNZ6)

27 Blast, stopped to read the content.

Posted by: cornbred at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (OnIkp)

28 What a bunch of hominids.

Posted by: Tulsi 2020 at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (BKTpn)

29 16 Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. I got the Little burger, a drink, and fried.

$15!

WTF?!?!?
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Had you ordered a shake you'd be out over $20.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:09 PM (2LelM)

30 Trump needs to adopt the campaign slogan...

"THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY!!!"

I want the bumper sticker! I want the hat!

Posted by: RKae at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (J+0CH)

31 We talk about a DC "establishment," but fundamentally the Republican Party belongs to Donald Trump, who is increasingly executing a hostile takeover. So where does this supposed establishment draw power from? Its incredible dinner parties? No! It's all about vast financial corruption. Their plan, such as they have one, is simple:

1) Declare all actual competing media illegal.
2) Make very clear that Trump supporters, and white men in general, will go to prison on the flimsiest pretexts while Clinton supporters and approved minorities skate.
3) Massive vote fraud unconnected from the reality of the President's popularity.

Right now, it's working. What is to be done?

Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (gmJMS)

32 But...but...
Stormy
Stormy
Stormy!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (0tfLf)

33 Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. I got the Little burger, a drink, and fried.

$15!

WTF?!?!?
Posted by: blaster

Getting fried is what cost you. Blunts aren't cheap.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (Y5LDn)

34 maybe the Bulwark can hire some Nigerians to jump - say - Jonathan Last in an alley at 2 AM.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (ykYG2)

35 I've been asking this as well - what is NeverTrump trying to accomplish? What actual, concrete goals are they trying to achieve other than feathering their own nests.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at February 22, 2019 04:04 PM (GbPPJ)

Hurting Tea Partiers and helping America-hating leftist scum, who they really adore. It's that simple.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (+pejQ)

36
Nood
Brauchen
Behover
Tarvitsevat
Skal
Trenger
Potrzebowac
Potrebne

Posted by: rickb223

This is like that song that goes Bye bye, Farewell, auf Wiedersehen... on Lawrence Welk.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (2Glrq)

37 16 Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. I got the Little burger, a drink, and fried.

$15!

WTF?!?!?
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (9VeU0)

"Redistribution of Wealth" is a nicer way of saying "shoplifting" or "beating the bill."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (zBaqJ)

38 Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. "

Very disappointed the last couple of times...

So Mel's it is.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (6qErC)

39 The Republican elite treated us like Jeffrey Epstein treated the girls on his island.

Fuck them

War.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:10 PM (cRkMZ)

40 >>>34 maybe the Bulwark can hire some Nigerians to jump - say - Jonathan Last in an alley at 2 AM.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo

Why waste the manpower on something so trivial?

Posted by: Mrs. Last at February 22, 2019 04:11 PM (PbpT7)

41
Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. I got the Little burger, a drink, and fried.

Getting fried is expensive.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at February 22, 2019 04:11 PM (TAmPV)

42 20 They hate us. We merely find them annoying and dishonest. This makes them hate us even moar.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (2LelM)

Actually we SHOULD hate them now. They conned us for years and now they smear us.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 04:11 PM (ujg0T)

43 - the Establishment, which actually had a relatively small popular base of support but was closer to power, as they ran magazines and lived in DC

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basically the Court Eunuchs, right?

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 22, 2019 04:11 PM (BJlbN)

44 Culturally, the GOP elites had more in common with the Democrats than with their supposed constituents. After a while, even a dense cracker like me is going to notice that. So now, let the elites stalk off to the Democrats. Leave us alone. Get some freakin' dignity back you backstabbing slobs.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 22, 2019 04:11 PM (RD7QR)

45 The NeverTrumpers cannot tell you what Trump has done that they disagree with except tariffs. But they don't want to discuss the imbalance that they allowed to happen over the years caused by their cuckness.

Posted by: Lauren Hutton at February 22, 2019 04:11 PM (auUHv)

46 Ace flashback post

The Senior Partners simply must permit some reorganization and some serious power-sharing and decision-making, or else they'll be left a rump party, a bunch of chiefs in search of Indians to follow them

And that's exactly how they've been left. All captains, no seamen.

Posted by: Hands at February 22, 2019 04:11 PM (786Ro)

47 Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (9VeU0)

Shoulda gone to Chik-Fil-A!

Posted by: Senator Hrothgar at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (f3oO4)

48 I've never understood how neverTrumpers feel the election of the party of death, corruption, criminality and insanity would make the United States a better place.

Like the entirely of the leadership of the Dems, go figure, they're almost entirely insulated from all of this.

Until the guillotines come out, that is.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (NYS7S)

49 GOPe = Uniparty co-conspirators with Democrats and yes, they really do hate us.

Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (oiNtH)

50 AoS and other real conservative thought leaders to Establishment Cucktail Party Circuit:

All Your Base Are Belong To Us

Posted by: Bitter Clinger, Now With Great Uncliness at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (YA914)

51 Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. I got the Little burger, a drink, and fried.

$15!

WTF?!?!?
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (9VeU0)

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It's good stuff, but the best way to go there is with 2 people. Their small fry will stuff 2 people along with a burger.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (ffYR/)

52 NeverTrump's Great Strategic Plan for Regaining Power
.........

1. gay sea cruise
2. ???
3. PROFIT

Posted by: wth at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (v0R5T)

53 >>It's basically over for you. Because the other group is just going to do the same thing if you/your candidate comes out on top next time. The correct analogy isn't "civil war" or "guerillas" or whatever, its a kamikaze strike. You're not coming out alive.

This is the part I don't get. Do they honestly think they can shit all over us and the next time they push a candidate they like we are going to come running?

They might as well just enroll as Democrats. They have no future on this side of the aisle.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (/tuJf)

54 And that's exactly how they've been left. All captains, no seamen.

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I'm never short of.... oh, you said "seamen."

Posted by: Cap'n Bill at February 22, 2019 04:13 PM (AzW6q)

55

google tells me it would've been Steve Irwin's 57th birthday today

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:13 PM (2Glrq)

56 50 AoS and other real conservative thought leaders to Establishment Cucktail Party Circuit:

All Your Base Are Belong To Us
Posted by: Bitter Clinger, Now With Great Uncliness at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (YA914)

Ace of Base. Literally. (he saw the signs...)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2019 04:13 PM (zBaqJ)

57 From a business point of view what Trump did was cut out the middlemen and went directly to the customer. Trump is like Big Box Retail.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:13 PM (2LelM)

58 Read the editorial that Mitt Romney wrote blasting Trump as well as Mc Cain's shenanigans, etc. tells you all you need to know. We've been lied to and betrayed for years.

Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 04:13 PM (oiNtH)

59 Off gap toothed beauty sock.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 04:13 PM (auUHv)

60 Something to consider....if someone like Trump had appeared to lead the Republicans in 1996 where would we be right now?

Millions of fewer illegals, trillions of less debt, and a country that makes sense...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (cRkMZ)

61 Posted by: Cap'n Bill"

Still pulling the ol' submarine joke there, huh?

(long and hard and full of.... nevermind)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (6qErC)

62 55 google tells me it would've been Steve Irwin's 57th birthday today
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:13 PM (2Glrq)

"Siri, where can I find a live poisonous stingray to mail to Bill Maher?..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (zBaqJ)

63
I honestly don't know whether the NeverTrumpeters are just grifters who are freaking out because their rice bowl is drying up, or if it's that they've always hated our guts.

I guess I should embrace the power of "and".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (veoSD)

64 You mean you stupid fucking cousin humpers wouldn't vote for me even in 2024!?!?

Posted by: Evan McMullin at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (SkuXa)

65
Oh my. Making them uncomfortable at D.C. dinner parties and green rooms. Why where is my fainting couch. I may not survive

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (OLCnA)

66 Elites gonna elite.

No matter what "party" they at.

But the rest of us will show them why class war works in a plebiscite.

Posted by: scottst at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (NQ+gT)

67 Lmao. Phuq Mueller.

NEW: Senior US Justice Dept. official: Reports that the US attorney general will receive the report from Special Counsel Mueller by the end of next week are incorrect.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (MAstk)

68 Konichiwa!!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (0tfLf)

69 if someone like Trump had appeared to lead the Republicans in 1996 where would we be right now?"

Bob Dole says "hey now"....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (6qErC)

70 google tells me it would've been Steve Irwin's 57th birthday today
Posted by: Soothsayer

Teri is a milf.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (Y5LDn)

71

Maybe it's much simpler than we think.

Maybe the Republican Cucks have been shills for the Left all along.

Kristol is obviously a Confederate of the Democrat party.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (2Glrq)

72 ace, thanks for posting the Day of Mourning in the sidebar

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (BJlbN)

73 So you're saying that the NeverTrumpers are to the Republicans as Jussie is to Empire?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (+y/Ru)

74 19
They are taking their ball and going home, like children. They no
longer run things and cannot just become Dems outright as they will not
run things there either.

Posted by: Inogame at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (ySZHT)

They don't care if the rank and file right hate them with a passion, as long as the Elite Dems let them come to their cocktail parties and sneer together the the righty plebes.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (ymnmz)

75 60 Something to consider....if someone like Trump had appeared to lead the Republicans in 1996 where would we be right now?

Millions of fewer illegals, trillions of less debt, and a country that makes sense...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (cRkMZ)

I'm not sure. Recall that we had yet to experience the Lewinsky thing and more crucially 9/11.

That said, people were pissed at Bush 41 as well as what happened at Ruby Ridge and with Koresh and OKC.

Trump could theoretically have won, but not on the economy. Still in the wake of the Reagan boom.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (zBaqJ)

76 Maybe the Republican Cucks have been shills for the Left all along.

==

they're the DC DemoCucks

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 22, 2019 04:16 PM (BJlbN)

77 45 The NeverTrumpers cannot tell you what Trump has done that they disagree with except tariffs. But they don't want to discuss the imbalance that they allowed to happen over the years caused by their cuckness.
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There is a YUGE amount of political graft possible with Trade Deficits. Both nationally and internationally. The Trade Deficits were like piggy banks to the Clintons. Ever wonder why Bill, who campaigned to make America great and build a border wall, did a 360 and signed up for NAFTA?

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (2LelM)

78 Teri is a milf.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (Y5LDn)

Made me think of... Teri Garr.

I'll, uh, brb.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (NYS7S)

79 66
Elites gonna elite.

No matter what "party" they at.

Therein lies the problem. As any dictator can tell you, it's the mystique of being large and in charge that makes people afraid of you. Our "elites" are mediocrities, and we know it.

Posted by: pep at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (T6t7i)

80 I went to Five Guys for lunch

Culvers 2 for 1 coupon double cheeseburger - feeds 2 people and 1 cat for 5$

Posted by: DaveA at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (FhXTo)

81 Koresh happened under Clinton and Reno.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (ykYG2)

82 "What Is NeverTrump's Great Strategic Plan for Regaining Power, Exactly?"

Running away faster?

Posted by: Sir Robin the Not-Quite-So-Brave-as-Sir-Lancelot at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (6eEQ+)

83 I can't wait to read Jonah Goldberg's take on all this.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (/lGcY)

84 And just who do they think their voters are, anyway?

There was a large, large number of conservatives that weren't duped by the neocons - they believed those ideas and sympathized with them.

Then two things happened.

1.) They grudgingly accepted Trump during the general election, and the neocon establishment did not, instead breaking for Hillary. While these people weren't enthusiastically pro-Trump, that was unforgivable, and they will never forget that the fact.

2.) To their surprise (and mine, though I wasn't a neocon) he turned out to govern as conservative. Which they never, ever did.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (AzW6q)

85 71

Maybe it's much simpler than we think.

Maybe the Republican Cucks have been shills for the Left all along.

Kristol is obviously a Confederate of the Democrat party.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (2Glrq)

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Maybe it was easier to gain prestige in the Republican Party than the Democratic Party at the time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (XSSCs)

86 Made me think of... Teri Garr.

I'll, uh, brb.
Posted by: DocJ

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"What knockers!"

Posted by: RKae at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (J+0CH)

87 Agreed. A large portion of the GOP establishment loathes their base. The base figured it out.

I'm pretty sure Tucker also went on a rant about this too and had a decent segment on it.

Yep, we see it. They had the majority. The Wall was the lightbulb.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (OKeCc)

88 I've been saying for the longest time that Trump has already changed the game and even if he loses in 2020, it's NOT going to be the same as it was. We're not going to revert to Jeb! and Mitt and those types again.

In a way, I think the Democrats realize this already which is why they are going all-in, balls-to-the-wall for socialism and identity politics.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (NFEMn)

89 Koresh happened under Clinton and Reno.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (ykYG2)

As well as OKC.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (auUHv)

90 81 Koresh happened under Clinton and Reno.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (ykYG2)

I know. That's why I mentioned it as a factor that could've aided Trump if he ran on it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (zBaqJ)

91 84
1.) They grudgingly accepted Trump during the general election, and the neocon establishment did not, instead breaking for Hillary. While these people weren't enthusiastically pro-Trump, that was unforgivable, and they will never forget that the fact.

2.) To their surprise (and mine, though I wasn't a neocon) he turned out to govern as conservative. Which they never, ever did.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (AzW6q)

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Hey, now.

W. got us Medicare Part D, the most conservative of entitlements!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (XSSCs)

92 They might as well just enroll as Democrats. They have no future on this side of the aisle.

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Dems will literally assault them if they try. Unless they can be titled "conservative" when they bash conservatives there is 0 value to them.

Posted by: Inogame at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (ySZHT)

93 360 means 180 in Puddin's Head.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (2LelM)

94 Seriously, who looks at Bill Kristol and thinks "elite"? I'll bet his mother doesn't.

Posted by: pep at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (T6t7i)

95 I've wondered about this, too.

Do they think that if they win, things will revert back to where they were before - that they can edit their magazines, market their cruises, and send out fundraising letters assuring us that they will repeal Obamacare, if only they can return to power?

That's all done, guys. Whatever happens in the future, you've been thrown on the ash heap of history.

Kristol, Max Boot, and the rest have some marginal value to the Left, as exemplars of "real conservatism", but it isn't going to take long for everyone to figure out that they speak for no one.

The Republican Party is united behind Trump - there may be disputes over tactics, but the catastrophe that will overtake Normal Americans if Kamala Harris, say, is elected President is obvious.

Meanwhile, the Never Trumpers are reduced to figuring out how to sabotage Trump supporters Washington dinner party reservations.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (I2/tG)

96
It's Steve Irwin's birthday and some guy named George Washington. I guess Steve was more important in the history of the world

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (OLCnA)

97 The squishie Repubs are not new. In WWII France, they were called "Vichy".

And they suck up to the Democrats just like the Vichy sucked up to the occupying Nazis.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (sy5kK)

98 Something to consider....if someone like Trump had appeared to lead the Republicans in 1996 where would we be right now?

Millions of fewer illegals, trillions of less debt, and a country that makes sense...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (cRkMZ)

Perot was the one pitching most of that at the time. He was a bit too unstable, though, but he certainly had a huge impact on one election, and a decent impact in 1996.

Perot was absolutely correct about free trade bullshit, deficits ... though I can't remember his position on illegals (although national sovereignty was a serious thing for him).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (+pejQ)

99 Please clap..

Posted by: TexasJew at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (cjTUK)

100 The "Senior Partners" were the satraps for the Globalist Consensus, keeping us channeled into fruitless actions that just served to support their system.

No.

More.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (AM1GF)

101 92 They might as well just enroll as Democrats. They have no future on this side of the aisle.

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Dems will literally assault them if they try. Unless they can be titled "conservative" when they bash conservatives there is 0 value to them.
Posted by: Inogame at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (ySZHT)

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Nah.

It'll be, "Good boy, now stay in the corner and shut up about anything other than Orange Man Bad."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (XSSCs)

102 This is the part I don't get. Do they honestly think they can shit all over us and the next time they push a candidate they like we are going to come running?

They might as well just enroll as Democrats. They have no future on this side of the aisle.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 04:12 PM (/tuJf)

It appears that they believe just that, yes.

Look, I was skeptical of Trump. Many of us here were skeptical of Trump. But at this point in time, claiming that Trump is some kind of destroyer of the Republican party is insane.

Trump has done more to enact or try to enact the GOP party platfrom than any Republican in decades upon decades.

It is crazy to say that he is destroying the GOP or conservatism. Crazy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (GbPPJ)

103 Teri is a milf.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (Y5LDn)

Made me think of... Teri Garr.

I'll, uh, brb.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM

*************8

Zo...out for a roll in ze hay?

Posted by: Diogenes at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (0tfLf)

104 Today I am announcing that I am leaving the GOP.

Posted by: Max Boot at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (SkuXa)

105

Some of the biggest Fox News Bush supporters were all in on the old hag Clinton over Don Trump.

That was it for me. They can get bent.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (ikxxu)

106 96
It's Steve Irwin's birthday and some guy named George Washington. I guess Steve was more important in the history of the world
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (OLCnA)

Watch out for sting rays!

Posted by: zombie Steve Irwin at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (sy5kK)

107 100 Please clap..
Posted by: TexasJew at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (cjTUK)

In Soviet petri dish, clap please YOU!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (zBaqJ)

108 yup, they hate the base. They can't believe that anyone actually believes this bullshit.

I don't care about numbers when nationalism is at stake. I don't want to replace America with America 2.0 because of some idiotic proposition that people are fungible and especially when there's no other people on earth who are all like "come on in and get at the head of the line!"* that I can flee to.

* - everyone else on earth is a diversity and is given head of the line priviliges, which with open borders means we're all at the back of the line of everyone on earth.

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (9AcAx)

109 Look, you people got on my case for screaming about the deficit and those dang charts and the Bushes hiring ninjas and mercenaries to ruin my daughter's wedding but, see, see, see I was right all along and I never should've dropped out in the first place and maybe if I'd stay in we wouldn't be having all these problems and maybe they'd be different ones but they'd be better problems and we wouldn't have a deficit.

Posted by: Ross Perot at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (84QUd)

110 69
But can Bob Dole say "Establishment Shill?"

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (f3oO4)

111 Here is their plan:
1. Get Trump's Tax returns.
2. ????
3. hillary clinton becomes President.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (JUOKG)

112 I just wonder what the NeverTrumpers think "Trumpism" is. Did he write a manifesto or something?

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (xjiRE)

113 99 Perot was absolutely correct about free trade bullshit, deficits ... though I can't remember his position on illegals (although national sovereignty was a serious thing for him).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (+pejQ)

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Everyone was against illegal immigration (in public) at the time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (XSSCs)

114 Trump has been a better conservative since elected as president then the following were

Romney (f*ck that guy)
McCain (f*ck that guy)
Bush 43
Dole
Bush 41

Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (cRkMZ)

115 Mostly clinging onto whoever the Democrats put up as a Presidential candidate

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (/rm4P)

116 I like looking at it from the angle of productive class / non-productive class.

The Sr. partners were part of the non-productive class and that was the fissure with the jr. partners and much of the base.

Trump was unique - a productive class billionaire. His appeal goes back to the floor traders on wall street in the 80s, where he was their God - brash, crude, and all about winning. But this also appealed to all productive class voters, be they plumbers, military, farmers, etc.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (LWu6U)

117

Is it Washington's b-day today??

And google chose to celebrate a man who used to examine and glorify animal poop?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (2Glrq)

118 They might as well just enroll as Democrats. They have no future on this side of the aisle.

Their only value, to the extent they have any, is as anti-Trump "conservatives".

They're finished, and not happy about it.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (NYS7S)

119 Made me think of... Teri Garr.

I'll, uh, brb.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM

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After Hours.

Totally underappreciated Scorsese.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (XSSCs)

120 I think the real tragedy here is the contempt for the small d democratic idea that political disputes are settled by ballots rather than bullets. The NeverTrumpers (and the Nacho Presidenters) believe that they have an inalienable right to rule that mere ballots cannot change.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (+y/Ru)

121 Something to consider....if someone like Trump had appeared to lead the Republicans in 1996 where would we be right now?

Millions of fewer illegals, trillions of less debt, and a country that makes sense...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (cRkMZ)

If Trump was president on 9/11, Muslim immigration is stopped in it's tracks, and A'Stan and Iraq are destroyed with minimal loss of American life.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (NFEMn)

122 105 Today I am announcing that I am leaving the GOP.
Posted by: Max Boot at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (SkuXa)

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A plot twist!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (XSSCs)

123 NeverTrump put themselves in a box with the idiot "contra Trump" issue of NR, which was an embarrassment, and now BECAUSE THEY'RE MEN OF HONOR they can't get out of it. Of course at the time they thought they were bringing Trump down. And when they realized that they were having no effect, they were permanently locked into resistance, which was the only alternative to looking like the silly asses they are.

Posted by: Caliban at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (QE8X6)

124 "Some of the biggest Fox News Bush supporters were all in on the old hag Clinton over Don Trump."

I think the whole Bush family was all in on Hillary.

Posted by: joefl65 at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (LZxM6)

125 Maybe the Republican Cucks have been shills for the Left all along.

There is one political party in Washington - the Government Party.

Trump threatened to undo that, which is the FBI and DOJ launched into a coup against Trump, with the enthusiastic endorsement of the cucks.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (I2/tG)

126 I reject the elite BS. There are better thinkers right here.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (eBJ9w)

127 I'm starting to question the term "educated elite"
Posted by: Inogame

As Instapundit calls them, they are the "credentialed class".

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (6rX0K)

128 83 I can't wait to read Jonah Goldberg's take on all this.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM (/lGcY)

You already read Ace.. it's like a preview.

Posted by: Inogame at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (ySZHT)

129 Made me think of... Teri Garr.

I'll, uh, brb."

Roll, roll, roll in the hay...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (6qErC)

130 >>Trump has done more to enact or try to enact the GOP party platfrom than any Republican in decades upon decades.

>>It is crazy to say that he is destroying the GOP or conservatism. Crazy.

What if we've been wrong all along? What if conservatism really is a crass real estate developer from Queens who likes hot women and two scoops?

I, for one, feel liberated.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (/tuJf)

131
When "Republicans" are shilling for Democrats for 3 election cycles in a row, maybe they're really Democrats.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (2Glrq)

132 Trump has been a better conservative since elected as president then the following were

--

well, except for signing the amnesty bill so he could go golf.

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (9AcAx)

133 I've tried sucking up to the left on Twitter. All they say is that I belong in jail.

Posted by: Max Boot at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (SkuXa)

134 127 I reject the elite BS. There are better thinkers right here.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (eBJ9w)

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Yes, Mary Gloggenstein does come around from time to time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (XSSCs)

135

I'm going to OT for a sec. If you haven't read this, it's genius. And it shows you exactly how Trump is thinking. I'm amazed at this attempt and love it. It's the kind of thing that should have been happening all the time. He really is attacking big government and the swamp.

Trump to Use 'Nuclear Option' to Recover $2.5 Bn More from California's Failed High-Speed Rail Project

http://tinyurl.com/y6tqqyva

The Trump administration announced this week that it was canceling nearly $1 billion in grant money for California's now-defunct high-speed rail project --- and President Donald Trump is coming for the other $2.5 billion.

...

On Tuesday, the Federal Railroad Administration of the U.S. Department of Transportation wrote to California's High-Speed Rail Authority, informing it that it had breached the terms of its contract with the federal government and that $928,620,000 would therefore no longer be available to the project.

I'm laughing.
It's business 101, and he's taking it to the streets.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (OKeCc)

136
They might as well just enroll as Democrats. They have no future on this side of the aisle.

***
As white males who are theoretically heterosexual I don't think they have much of a place with the Dems.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (cRkMZ)

137 Oh, hey, autocucumber ruined my "daficit" spelling and I didn't even notice.

Argh.

Posted by: Ross Perot at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (84QUd)

138 The Vichy French were realists. Neo Cons are not realists. They are spoiled Manhattan Brats.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (2LelM)

139 Two people in the 1990's who, turns out, were right about a whole lot of things...

H Ross Perot
Patrick J Buchanan

They were just ahead of their time.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (NYS7S)

140 131 What if we've been wrong all along? What if conservatism really is a crass real estate developer from Queens who likes hot women and two scoops?

I, for one, feel liberated.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (/tuJf)

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I am okay with this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (XSSCs)

141 The "Republican" governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, is getting Strange New Respect among the Left for mooting a primary challenge against DJT.
https://tinyurl.com/yxvevk4t

Note, Kristol's appearance.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (ykYG2)

142 Clinton blamed OKC on Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (BXMxN)

143 and btw... On Tuesday, the Federal Railroad Administration of the U.S. Department of Transportation wrote to California's High-Speed Rail Authority, informing it that it had breached the terms of its contract with the federal government and that $928,620,000 would therefore no longer be available to the project.

you know where this money would go --- fraudulent voting, paying voters off, campaign funding

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (OKeCc)

144 I'm laughing.
It's business 101, and he's taking it to the streets."

Amen.

It's friggen awesome.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (6qErC)

145 Interesting how different the breakup of the Democrats is compared to the Republicans.

Both in a power struggle.

It's enlightening.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (3H9h1)

146 right?

you guys remember the deficit and social security crisis?

the GOP congress couldn't have given a shit while they were in power.

so, we're fucked until trumpism takes over leadership.

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (9AcAx)

147 Let's light this candle.

Imagine if people on the Right had supported Christine O'Donnell instead of savaging her.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (9VeU0)

148 142 The "Republican" governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, is getting Strange New Respect among the Left for mooting a primary challenge against DJT.
https://tinyurl.com/yxvevk4t

Note, Kristol's appearance.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (ykYG2)

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He has his uses.

They are not on the national stage.

We should have learned that about blue state Republican governors with Mitt Romney.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (XSSCs)

149 Hey, look at it this way:

They're doing the burning, salting and scattering for us.

Good riddance, you band of treacherous cuckolds.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (Ct55T)

150 Boot is such an astute observer he missed the fact that a whole lot of people left the GOP before him.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (eBJ9w)

151 Better to rule a wasteland than to compromise in prosperity.

Posted by: NeverTrumpers at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (+y/Ru)

152 So these bullwark artists are non-productive class. They always had more in common with the Left.

There is a lot to unpack in *why* they hated trump so much but to them it was not a total war against an ally, it was a total war against an occupied population which was in rebellion.

They were the plantation owners, and we were the plantation. They had to make it ideological to fight against any loss of control.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (LWu6U)

153 If Trump was president on 9/11, Muslim immigration is stopped in it's
tracks, and A'Stan and Iraq are destroyed with minimal loss of American
life.

***
This.

Kill the people that attacked you. Break a bunch of their things. Warn those that follow.

Don't spend decades trying to make them stop being savages.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (cRkMZ)

154 148 Let's light this candle.

Imagine if people on the Right had supported Christine O'Donnell instead of savaging her.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (9VeU0)

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"You must support the Republican no matter what."
-GOPe

"What about Christine O'Donnel?"

"Nope. She's a witch!"
-GOPe

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (XSSCs)

155 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Christine O'Donnell instead of savaging her.

How could we? She's made of wood.

Posted by: pep at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (T6t7i)

156 Why don't they just get some Fuck Trump shirts like Jussie and officially join the Dems?

I mean, which Trump initiative are they behind? Or which so called Republican initiative? I don't see anything coming from the Rs in Congress. And the Senate Rs are about as good as a bunch of NPCs.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (+fPHo)

157 "[Hogan]'s not not in the mix. I'd be happy to have him in the mix." -- Cap'n Kristol

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (ykYG2)

158
The Republican Party is united behind Trump - there may be disputes over tactics, but the catastrophe that will overtake Normal Americans if Kamala Harris, say, is elected President is obvious.

Meanwhile, the Never Trumpers are reduced to figuring out how to sabotage Trump supporters Washington dinner party reservations.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (I2/tG)

I think that many NeverTrumpers--not the most famous ones, but ones who sat out 2016, will definitely vote for Trump if the alternative is Pure Socialism.

In other news--and Drudge even carried this--Trump support is gaining among blacks , Hispanics and--get this--Suburban women.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (NFEMn)

159 156 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Christine O'Donnell instead of savaging her.

How could we? She's made of wood.
Posted by: pep at February 22, 2019 04:25 PM (T6t7i)

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Does that mean she weighs the same as a duck?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (XSSCs)

160 As white males who are theoretically heterosexual I don't think they have much of a place with the Dems.

---

yeah, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about a party who hates my guts before they even hear me explain why they should hate my guts.

At least the GOP is nominally...a fuck it. They'd sell me for body parts to do the DNC's bidding. Because open borders are the future.

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (9AcAx)

161 118

Is it Washington's b-day today??

And google chose to celebrate a man who used to examine and glorify animal poop?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:21 PM (2Glrq)

If you don't believe in or care about America, then putting up some no name instead of George Washington makes perfect sense.

Remember, it is Google we are talking about here. As anti-American as any corporation anywhere.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (sy5kK)

162 Elites were people who spoke better, wrote better, wore nicer clothes and rode in nicer vehicles.

People looked up to them for those reasons (just look at FB to see this aspect of human nature in action).

But since the coarsening of culture and the takeover of the Left of education and all it's markers, much of that is gone.

You see rich and famous people talking like behaving boorishly, crudely, wearing ridiculous clothes and riding unexciting vehicles.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (BJlbN)

163 Teri is a milf.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (Y5LDn)

Made me think of... Teri Garr.

I'll, uh, brb.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:17 PM

*************8

Zo...out for a roll in ze hay?
Posted by: Diogenes at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (0tfLf)
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Put! Ze kendle! Beck!!

Posted by: Captain Obvious at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (Hx3Yn)

164 The Tea Party was a request.

The Trump Party is a demand.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (Ct55T)

165 159 In other news--and Drudge even carried this--Trump support is gaining among blacks , Hispanics and--get this--Suburban women.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (NFEMn)

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Hey, suburban women, you could have voted Republican in 2018 and saved us some of this bullshit, you know.

But no, Trump is icky.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (XSSCs)

166 Trump was unique - a productive class billionaire.

A guy clearly from working-class Queens.

Someone like Kristol, who grew up in a tony Manhattan residence as the son of a famous and reasonably rich man, views people like Trump as people who come and fix his furnace, but clearly lacking the necessary sophistication to wield political power. Exactly the same reasoning is true of Podhoretz.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (I2/tG)

167
Perot was the one pitching most of that at the time. He was a bit too unstable, though, but he certainly had a huge impact on one election, and a decent impact in 1996.�

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (+pejQ)

If Perot had the Internet and meme magic, he would have come in second in 1992. If not taken the whole thing.

We are extremely fortunate. The Internet was not obviously more influential than the lugenpresse eight years ago, and two years from now the suppression campaign against actual conservatives will have hit its peak. I am not sure if enough Americans remain to fight the invader, but we dammed well should try.

That includes the neocon elite that is at the vanguard of the deplatforming movement. Kristol, Goldberg, Rubin, Stephens, Boot for starters.

Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (gmJMS)

168 142 The "Republican" governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, is getting Strange New Respect among the Left for mooting a primary challenge against DJT.
https://tinyurl.com/yxvevk4t
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (ykYG2)

He'll fit right in with former (try to not laugh) Republican Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld. Lovely - I hope a half-dozen more NeverTrump "Republicans" join in so PDJT can rack-up some YUGE, LUXURIOUS victories in the primaries.

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (NYS7S)

169 96
It's Steve Irwin's birthday and some guy named George Washington. I guess Steve was more important in the history of the world
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2019 04:19 PM (OLCnA)

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Steve Irwin stopped a stingray stinger with his heart. What did this Washington guy ever do that tops that?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/lGcY)

170 LMAO y'all gonna make me start listening to Hugh Hewitt again out of spite. "HE'S TOO TRUMPISH REEEEEE!"

Posted by: NASDAQ: SALM at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (wx6iv)

171 Wonder how Shibumi and Bozo are feeling right now?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (2fwWU)

172 Kill the people that attacked you. Break a bunch of their things. Warn those that follow.

---

nah, Sun Tzu stated "if you are attacked by a bunch of heathen savages, your best strategy is to give them asylum and citizenship with access to your women and welfare"

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (9AcAx)

173 Rich Zeoli 1210am Philadelphia reported the New Jersey State Congress is making up a law any candidate for President has to release their tax forms before becoming eligible to run for office.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/rm4P)

174 Trump was unique - a productive class billionaire. His appeal goes back to the floor traders on wall street in the 80s, where he was their God - brash, crude, and all about winning. But this also appealed to all productive class voters, be they plumbers, military, farmers, etc.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 04:20 PM (LWu6U)

This is what the brainiacs are missing, Trump appeals to producers and the majority of Americans produce things.

Brainiacs are a dependent class and subliminally they know it. They are afraid.

Posted by: Big Chief Weather Beater and his horse, Paint at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (ePWRo)

175 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Sarah Palin instead of savging her.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (9VeU0)

176 Perot was the one pitching most of that at the time. He was a bit too unstable, though, but he certainly had a huge impact on one election, and a decent impact in 1996.

Perot was absolutely correct about free trade bullshit, deficits ... though I can't remember his position on illegals (although national sovereignty was a serious thing for him).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

____________

I remember being mad at Perot, but truthfully, HW Bush was to blame.

Had Republicans adopted a Perot platform it would have been another string of Reagan landslides. The GOP lost working class whites.

Pat Buchanan was right about the direction of the Party. I know he's supposed to be cast into the darkness because in the 1970s he said the same sort of thing Nixon was saying about the jews.

Ive noticed though that anyone that challenges the Establishment Republican is quickly deemed a white nationalist bigot. Just like they tried to do with Trump.

Posted by: Blago at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (UfkIY)

177 "They decided to make all-out war not only on supposed allies but allies who actually outnumbered them, and then were shocked when those allies made war back and deposed them from power entirely."

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The GOP base worked out they were considered the enemy by the entire political establishment -the Left and the Pretend Right - so they decided to get out of Dodge and hire themselves a gunslinger.

Posted by: Decaf at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (FBm+D)

178 As I understand things it's not about the good of the Republican Party it's about the good of the United States-the country and it's citizens.

I don't see how any neverTrumper, trueCon, FauxCon or foolcon can claim the election of Democrat president would be anything but destructive to the U.S., even it purifiers the Republican Party.

My outside perspective.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (aCNZ6)

179 Special counsel Robert Mueller's report on the Russia investigation is not expected to be delivered to the Justice Department next week, a senior department official told The Associated Press on Friday.

Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (QkjLD)

180 We should have learned that about blue state Republican governors with Mitt Romney.

Makes me wonder if the only reason the bipartisan national consensus supports these OMG BLOO STATE REPUBLICAN!!s is to groom them so they can drain the air from the actual Republicans, who govern red states.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (ykYG2)

181 views people like Trump as people who come and fix his furnace, but clearly lacking the necessary sophistication to wield political power.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (I2/tG)

President Trump may be a class traitor, but he is a class far above Bill Kristol. He could buy pissants like that, but doesn't because there is obviously so little value to them.

Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (gmJMS)

182 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Ken Cuccinelli instead of savaging him.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (9VeU0)

183 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Christine O'Donnell instead of savaging her.

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the list is longer than that. Think of Cuccinelli. Or a dozen other could've beens.

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (9AcAx)

184 BREAKING: ESPN's Schefter reports that "there are people being arrested that are prominent members of society" as "175 more names" are expected to be announced.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (MAstk)

185 Oh--and then Williamson put the nail in the coffin with his well-nigh incomprehensible attack on the working class. The fact that that article ever saw the light of day tells you everything you need to know about their feelings toward the base (no pun intended).

Posted by: Caliban at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (QE8X6)

186 I'd rather see Tom Wolfe be president before half of the fantastically crapulent field the NTs seem to want in the race.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (Ct55T)

187 182 We should have learned that about blue state Republican governors with Mitt Romney.

Makes me wonder if the only reason the bipartisan national consensus supports these OMG BLOO STATE REPUBLICAN!!s is to groom them so they can drain the air from the actual Republicans, who govern red states.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (ykYG2)

=============

"I governed a red state that led the nation in jobs!"

"I governed a blue state and have no shot of turning the state blue in a national election!"

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"Definitely go with the second guy."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (XSSCs)

188 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Sharon Angle instead of savaging her.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (9VeU0)

189 >172
Wonder how Shibumi and Bozo are feeling right now?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (2fwWU)

I'm guessing Shibumi is saying "GET OFF ME!" right now.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (sjdRT)

190 Steve Irwin stopped a stingray stinger with his heart. What did this Washington guy ever do that tops that?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/lGcY)

Crossing frozen water on Christmas to slaughter sellout boche is pretty motivating.

Posted by: NASDAQ: SALM at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (wx6iv)

191 Maybe the Republican Cucks have been shills for the Left all along.

There is one political party in Washington - the Government Party.

Trump threatened to undo that, which is the FBI and DOJ launched into a coup against Trump, with the enthusiastic endorsement of the cucks.
Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:22 PM (I2/tG)

Also, they come from similar backgrounds, education and economic circumstances. Yes, some are on the right and some are on the left---but it's the right and left of LIBERALISM.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (NFEMn)

192 I know where the neo-cons lost me - the aftermath of the Iraq War. That was a neo-con project all the way, not defeating Iraq, but Nation Building! We'll make them a wonderful Democracy just like us, People are the same all over, everything in the middle east will be fixed if we just thrown all our troops in and trillions of our dollars too!

And now after almost 20 years of that shit the verdict is in, and it is - Total Failure. Oh we killed some enemies, sure, but we could have done all of that in 6 months and left. Nation Building? That whole damn stink hole is in worse shape today than it was when we started, that's how the great Neo-Con project worked out.

They had their chance, they got to play their Power Games on the broadest scale possible - and They Failed. Utterly.

they're done, they're finished, they belong on the dust heap of history.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (Kpl3J)

193 Self-describedBrainiacs are a dependent class and subliminally they know it. They are afraid.
FIFY

Posted by: pep at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (T6t7i)

194 63

I honestly don't know whether the NeverTrumpeters are just grifters
who are freaking out because their rice bowl is drying up, or if it's
that they've always hated our guts.

I guess I should embrace the power of "and".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2019 04:14 PM (veoSD)

They never believed a damn thing they said. When dems porked them in the butt at cocktail parties they would make soothing, quiet, sexy, moaning sounds for them, and then say "Take my wife, please."

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (ymnmz)

195
I look forward to the Republican and fake Independent challengers to President Trump. All of them will be Democrat-lite.

They'll all be running on the conservative issues we most care about, such as:
-- gun control
-- global warming
-- higher taxes
-- more regulations
-- and abortion rights

It's gonna be laughable to watch these frauds think they can take votes away from President Trump when they're echoing the D candidates.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (2Glrq)

196 "175 more names" are expected to be announced.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (MAstk)

... the fuck kinda massage parlor was this???

Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (gmJMS)

197 Bush spent the better part of his presidency dismantling Reagan.

Posted by: Big Chief Weather Beater and his horse, Paint at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (ePWRo)

198 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Donald Trump instead of savaging him.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (Ct55T)

199 194 they're done, they're finished, they belong on the dust heap of history.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (Kpl3J)

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Just wait until they invade your house.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (XSSCs)

200 The Never Trumpers were approved opposition, supported and allowed access by the domestic enemy.

As such, there's a real good chance that each and every one of them had to give up blackmail on themselves to their domestic enemy masters.

They're not fighting a political battle. They're fighting for their lives. If Trump continues to exist, they don't.

Posted by: Hereogar at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (eQ0LF)

201 Rich Zeoli 1210am Philadelphia reported the New Jersey State Congress is making up a law any candidate for President has to release their tax forms before becoming eligible to run for office.

The Electoral College - how does this work???
- Average NJ Legislative Genius

Posted by: DocJ at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (NYS7S)

202 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Roy Moore instead of savaging him.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (9VeU0)

203 They don't care if the rank and file right hate them with a passion, as long as the Elite Dems let them come to their cocktail parties and sneer together the the righty plebes.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:15 PM (ymnmz)

Has anyone called them CUCKTAIL parties yet? If not, let me be the first

Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (0Ntuf)

204 I've never met a Never-Trumper "conservative" out here in the real world. I guess they're all in the DC-NY Matrix.

Posted by: Soylent Green New Deal at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (uloIh)

205 In a way, I think the Democrats realize this already which is why they are going all-in, balls-to-the-wall for socialism and identity politics.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (NFEMn)

If you step way way back, you'll see the Dems are in panic mode and chaotic. The back and forth of Barkley and Shaq regarding Smollett using a CHECK shows how far and wide this is. ONE example of how sick they are how Trump is not just living rent free in their heads, but partying hard around the pool.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (OKeCc)

206 Perot was 90% right, but perot only accomplished one thing in politics - clinton.

I judge on accomplishments, not charts.

Perot was also wrong about a lot of his trade rantings. He spoke on tv for 90 min. (i watched) and he said nothing to justify his hatred of free trade. Trump summed it up in a couple tweets - China is gaming the system.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (LWu6U)

207 Sean T at RCP: "Agreed. A large portion of the GOP establishment loathes their base. The base figured it out."

Which is why I'm not a Republican and haven't been for, now, decades. The pandering, snobbishness, two-faced abuse wore me out long ago. I just didn't know how many like-minded citizens were out there stuck in the same binary choice of sh*t sandwich or giant douche. Then, when the Internet blossomed, I found out.

Parties suck. They aren't coalitions and they especially aren't on the Right. They're, as you say, Senior Partners controlling Sucker Partners. It's a paradigm I hope develops into their dissolution.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (6eEQ+)

208 and riding unexciting vehicles."

Hey, this Prius has bluetooth! So there!

/

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (6qErC)

209 198 "175 more names" are expected to be announced.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (MAstk)

... the fuck kinda massage parlor was this???
Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (gmJMS)

We're all out of lotion, Ricky....

Posted by: Cory and Trevor at the Rub'n'Tizzug at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (Ct55T)

210 Imagine is people on the right supported him today.

Posted by: Big Chief Weather Beater and his horse, Paint at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (ePWRo)

211 186
BREAKING: ESPN's Schefter reports that "there are people being arrested
that are prominent members of society" as "175 more names" are expected
to be announced.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (MAstk)

Who's that knocking on my door, who's that ringing my bell......

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (ymnmz)

212 it's like ace said elsewhere, the GOP is a slightly slower democratic party. They're both heading the same direction...where we dial 2 for inglis

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (9AcAx)

213 He'll fit right in with former (try to not laugh) Republican Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld. Lovely - I hope a half-dozen more NeverTrump "Republicans" join in so PDJT can rack-up some YUGE, LUXURIOUS victories in the primaries.
Posted by: DocJ

This. Trump bested a clown car of experts and professional.

Next time, he'll be the incumbent. Half of the new graduates of clown college will be driven forward to set off the landmines, while the rest make vanity runs/cash grabs.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (6rX0K)

214 204 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Roy Moore instead of savaging him.
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (9VeU0)

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Imagine if Republicans had selected a candidate in their primary who had previously won a statewide election by more than single digits in one of the reddest states in America.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (XSSCs)

215 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (OKeCc)

This is what we were looking for from "businessman" GW Bush and never got. This is what we were looking for from the 2010 house of Representatives when we swept so many Rs into office. And never got. And the DOPe can't figure out why we hate them just as much as they hate us.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (uquGJ)

216 a primo dos a inglis

--

USA 2023

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (9AcAx)

217 Special counsel Robert Mueller's report on the Russia investigation is not expected to be delivered to the Justice Department next week, a senior department official told The Associated Press on Friday.
Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (QkjLD)

#2 weeks ?

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (NFEMn)

218 They're all just as narcissistic as Trump is on his worst day. They just pretend to be better than he is. He ran as himself and beat them. That's at least part of why they hate him.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 22, 2019 04:31 PM (SkuXa)

219 >>Makes me wonder if the only reason the bipartisan national consensus supports these OMG BLOO STATE REPUBLICAN!!s is to groom them so they can drain the air from the actual Republicans, who govern red states.

Trump is a blue state Republican and up until recently not really even a Republican. I think at some point it comes down to commonsense and a willingness to fight rather than tired dogma.

Trump horrified a lot of old time conservatives when he started whacking countries with tariffs and here he is on the cusp of deal with China that will fundamentally change world trade for the better.

Trump seems less interested in Party politics and a lot more interested in doing what makes sense.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (/tuJf)

220 > The Bulwark is on a mission to make D.C. dinner parties and green-room visits as uncomfortable as possible

Of course it never even occurs to the flaccid middle-aged nebbishes at the Bullcuck that the actual voter base doesn't go to D.C. dinner parties, doesn't want to go to D.C. dinner parties, and doesn't trust people who go to D.C. dinner parties.

Posted by: General Franco at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (0OWcv)

221
In other news--and Drudge even carried this--Trump support is gaining among blacks , Hispanics and--get this--Suburban women.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (NFEMn)

It took some time for the suburban woman to get used to the rough stuff, but now they are starting to like it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (sy5kK)

222 Sarah Sanders says White House confident about Mueller report, that Trump had no reason to collude with Russia

Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (QkjLD)

223 158 "[Hogan]'s not not in the mix. I'd be happy to have him in the mix." -- Cap'n Kristol
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:26 PM (ykYG2)

This is too bad. Hogan's about as conservative as a politician can afford to be in Maryland and he's gotten things done, but if he runs against the Donald he's got to be defeated.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (RD7QR)

224 Rich Zeoli 1210am Philadelphia reported the New Jersey State Congress is making up a law any candidate for President has to release their tax forms before becoming eligible to run for office.
Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/rm4P)

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I wish them luck with that. A state can't write Federal laws.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (ffYR/)

225 nah, Sun Tzu stated "if you are attacked by a bunch of heathen savages, your best strategy is to give them asylum and citizenship with access to your women and welfare"

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (9AcAx)

I'm a gonna come back and snatch you bald-headed for that!!!

Posted by: The Ghost of Sun Tzu at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (Kpl3J)

226 Ace, somebody pointed out the black flag has been co-opted by the Cuckshed.

http://tinyurl.com/yyuuxh7c

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:05 PM (t6MX/)

Wow. I clicked through and read the Atlantic article. These folks are nuttier than squirrel poop. Gonna "shame" folks who are NOT NeverTrumpers into becoming a NT? Salvage them? I have been really high in my younger life, but I have never had anything as good as what they are smokin'.What arrogance.

Posted by: cfo mom at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (RfzVr)

227 Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (9AcAx)

What's the difference between a homo and a wizard?

Posted by: Tulsi 2020 at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (BKTpn)

228 So Jupiter Florida is the home of what winter league sports teams???????

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (ymnmz)

229 Which is why I'm not a Republican and haven't been for, now, decades. The pandering, snobbishness, two-faced abuse wore me out long ago. I just didn't know how many like-minded citizens were out there stuck in the same binary choice of sh*t sandwich or giant douche. Then, when the Internet blossomed, I found out.

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it took awhile to figure this out since a lot of our leaders talk big heap game during primaries.

and then we find out what they do in office, "hey you guys, you like amnesty?", "we'd do some stuff that you care about but first this bank needs a tax cut and to hire some foreigners to do your jobs, mmmkay"

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (9AcAx)

230 > Trump is a blue state Republican and up until recently not really even a Republican.

Trump is what used to be called a "Scoop Jackson Democrat", back before "Democrat" became synonymous with "communist".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (0OWcv)

231 Trump has definitely succeeded in grabbing the low hanging conservative fruit and has prevented many liberal initiatives but there has not been a shift as there was with Reagan. I'm not blaming Trump but just saying this was the only outcome possible at this point . He has knocked off hornets nest from the tree and they are fighting back . That's the first step in this war. As soon as the hornets are neutralized , I think we will see that Reagan type shift. It will take a Trump second term to do it though. Took Reagan over 3 years before we saw the benefits of his policies.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (auUHv)

232 Its good to know that Shay's Rebellion wins once in a while.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (2LelM)

233 Perot was also wrong about a lot of his trade rantings. He spoke on tv for 90 min. (i watched) and he said nothing to justify his hatred of free trade. Trump summed it up in a couple tweets - China is gaming the system.
Posted by: Gentlemen,

_________________

I think he was more right than wrong.

I'm not an isolationist on trade, but I tend to think free trade benefits the poorest countries most and the US almost always get screwed.

NAFTA was a boon to Mexico, no doubt about it. Those manufacturing jobs came from the US.

Posted by: Blago at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (UfkIY)

234 What if the Republican leadership has been progressive leftists for years who were pretending to put up resistance to the left, while making sure the country slowly progressed leftward. Oh wait....

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (dNzKv)

235 BREAKING: ESPN's Schefter reports that "there are people being arrested
that are prominent members of society" as "175 more names" are expected
to be announced.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (MAstk)

"Prominent members of society" sounds like the type of people on The Social Register.
Expecting guys in top hats and tails to be frog- marched.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (NFEMn)

236 208 Perot was 90% right, but perot only accomplished one thing in politics - clinton.

I judge on accomplishments, not charts.

Perot was also wrong about a lot of his trade rantings. He spoke on tv for 90 min. (i watched) and he said nothing to justify his hatred of free trade. Trump summed it up in a couple tweets - China is gaming the system.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM (LWu6U)

That giant sucking sound after all was only Lewinsky's mouth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (zBaqJ)

237 Sun Tzu Olson sez: It's Mountain grown, the richest kind!

Posted by: Burger Chef at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (RuIsu)

238 224
Sarah Sanders says White House confident about Mueller report, that Trump had no reason to collude with Russia

Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (QkjLD)

I came.

I saw.

I kicked HER ass!

Tremendous.

Posted by: President Richard Punch at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (ymnmz)

239 Getting ready to be a whole shit-pot of sides of the aisle. What you're seeing dying, in my humble opinion that keeps getting proven right over many times and many nics, is the death of the two-party system.

And I'll be glad to shovel a scoop of dirt myself to that shit.

Posted by: Steve Borden at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (6ujEi)

The two-party system is baked into the cake. Eventually things will shake out to two parties again, but with a realignment.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (wCmLp)

240 but we could have done all of that in 6 months and left."

Yep. Couldn't stand to watch the "we gotta help 'me all" crapfest flowing from Cappy Hill and the WH.

Break it off in their arse. Then split. Later, ask if they wanna buy some bandaids.

Trying to build a Nation-State in tribal lands? Stupid.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (6qErC)

241 The GOP is an illegitimate political party and the "Conservative Movement and Intelligentsia" is largely bankrupt.

And it's not going to be possible to change it from within, see the Tea Party and the election of Donald John Trump as an example.

The only way forward is the formation of a new political party that is separate and distinct from the GOP organized around a basic set of principles...

Constitutional Republicanism.

Fiscal Responsibility.

Classic Liberalism.

Economic Nationalism.

American Sovereignty and Identity.

It's the only way to save this last, best hope of man-kind.

Posted by: Rocker Blocker at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (xSIRO)

242 Would the neverTrumpers love Trump if he sharpened his creases?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (aCNZ6)

243 Satisfying indeed; as it was to read this fine post.

I like the underutilized self-back-reference device. It may be undervalued as well; it provides free emphasis with immunity from repetition and its tedium.

Posted by: Full speed ahead at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (WWTgX)

244 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (IXZGh)

245 237
BREAKING: ESPN's Schefter reports that "there are people being arrested

that are prominent members of society" as "175 more names" are expected

to be announced.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (MAstk)

"Prominent members of society" sounds like the type of people on The Social Register.

Expecting guys in top hats and tails to be frog- marched.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (NFEMn)

Now I know why spats are white.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (ymnmz)

246 244 Would the neverTrumpers love Trump if he sharpened his creases?
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at February 22, 2019 04:34 PM (aCNZ6)

============

"I have the sharpest crease. Just outstanding creases."
-DJT

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (XSSCs)

247 I have often mused that Trump intends to recreate the FDR coalition. Oddly, Dems don't seem to care.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (2LelM)

248 I wish them luck with that. A state can't write Federal laws."

No, they can't. And this has already been to the Supreme Court, it's well established law.

But I suspect the smarter ones know that - in reality, it's just more virtue signaling. (and this is how power, step by step, gets transferred from the legislatures to the Judiciary, because the legislatures get comfortable doing stupid things and counting on Judges to be the only ones with any restraint whatsoever)

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (Kpl3J)

249 President Trump may be a class traitor, but he is a
class far above Bill Kristol. He could buy pissants like that, but
doesn't because there is obviously so little value to them.

Posted by: trev006

The size of Trump's fortune is immaterial to Kristol, or actually more like a negative. It's like the old British aristocracy (and Roman for that matter) looking down on the gauche, nouveau-riche types. Eventually, the aristocrats run out of their ancestor's money, and then suddenly the guy who made his fortune from urinal cakes looks pretty damn good.

Posted by: pep at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (T6t7i)

250 Wow, DC being uncomfortable for folks who are republicans? Sacre blue!

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (9AcAx)

251 I have been really high in my younger life, but I have never had anything as good as what they are smokin'.What arrogance.

Posted by: cfo mom at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (RfzVr)

Yeah, it was pretty cuckoo.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (t6MX/)

252 But, you guys. Over at The BullShit, they're SHAMING those that back Trump at various green rooms and gathering places because THAT'S what a TRUE CONSERVATIVE does.

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (IXZGh)

253 The GOPe did to Cuccinelli what Brutus did to Caesar.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (ykYG2)

254 I can honestly say this, if the GOPe wrecks PDT in 2020, I'm done with the party. Even the good ones.

I ain't gonna work on Cuckie's farm no more.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger, Now With Great Uncliness at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (0z7No)

255 It's amazing this class struggle thing and where people take sides and where they think they exist.

I was at a colleague's house and our kids were studying for the same test. Plato came up and his view that only the well educated and intellectually gifted should rule. She's a lib and so tittered that she wished we had educated and intellectually gifted ruling now. So I asked if she was really for an oligarchy? Would she then imagine she was more of a Hobbsian than a Lockeian? And didn't de Tocqueville predict the demise of the democracy would include this impetus?

It's weird, because she's less educated than I am, married twice to blue collar guys and from a lower class family, but I'm the one defending the rights of the common man. I think most of these people like Jonah "Goucher College" Goldberg IMAGINE themselves more elite than they really are. So they all jump on the elitist bandwagon because it lifts them up to the next level? IDK

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (nRWPy)

256 246 FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge"

Dude. It's not 300 yet.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (6qErC)

257 LONDON -- The Church of England has acknowledged the reality of shrinking congregations and overworked priests and lifted a 400-year-old rule requiring that all churches hold services every Sunday.

Canon law dating from 1603 required priests to hold morning and evening prayers and a communion service each Sunday in every church they oversaw.

Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (QkjLD)

258 So Jupiter Florida is the home of what winter league sports teams???????
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (ymnmz)

Marlins and Cardinals.

But other teams are nearby--including Red Sox.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (NFEMn)

259 "175 more names" are expected to be announced.

Posted by: Ha at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (MAstk)

... the fuck kinda massage parlor was this???
Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:30 PM

Ancient Chinese secret

Posted by: Hands at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (786Ro)

260 Why would Dems move further to the left, though? There's no crazy
radicalization medium like Fox News. And many Dems are conservative -
they're in the party because GOP is hostile to minorities, not for
ideological reasons.
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How do you deal with asylum quality derangement like this?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (pw+jk)

261 I hate the term "educated elite" because it's often applied to ignoramouses who are merely credentialed and connected.

Posted by: Jerry Springer at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (62p+y)

262
Wait.

How does a cuck shame others?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (2Glrq)

263 They're not doing this shit for money, not mostly. Ace dealt with this in 15-16, and very well. It's ego. They can't stand to think of themselves as other than The Voice of The Movement. All their pride is on the line. And we got sick of them, and peed in their mouths when they lectured us.

You know, I was for Walker first, then Cruz. I did not like it at all when Trump won the nomination. But what pushed me toward him, more than anything else, was what complete dickheads the NT gang showed themselves to be. It was even stronger, with me, than Hillary.

(Of course, since then, Trump has been a pleasant surprise. And with a very few exceptions, the old NT'ers are increasingly reminding me of those Japanese who, back in the 60s, would turn up every so often on some Pacific Island. Except those guys at least had guts. These have nothing but assholes.)

Posted by: Eeyore at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (VaN/j)

264 Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/rm4P)

So New Jersey won't have Presidential balloting this year? 'Cause that's how that's most likely to work out.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (uquGJ)

265 Wondering about the good Cap'n. How does smug, self righteous, stupid yet strangely arrogant work in the real world?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (aCNZ6)

266 Derek Jeter is part owner of Marlins.....

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (NFEMn)

267 I've never met a Never-Trumper "conservative" out here in the real world.

We had a few of those in the Colorado establishment. They're Leftists now.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (ykYG2)

268 Trump is what used to be called a "Scoop Jackson Democrat", back before "Democrat" became synonymous with "communist".

Fun fact - while Jackson was in the Senate, some national magazine did an investigation to see where the most powerful people in Washington sent their kids to school.

Scoop was the only one who sent his kids to DC public schools. I bet he sent his kids to the best public school in DC, but still, he was the only Democrat who wasn't a complete hypocrite about the virtues of big-city public education.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (I2/tG)

269 I didn't really think Mueller was giving up a report quite yet, he should be able to drag it out a good couple of month's.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (/rm4P)

270
BREAKING: ESPN's Schefter reports that "there are people being arrested

that are prominent members of society" as "175 more names" are expected
to be announced.

There use to be a cheap Hustler knock off mag called High Society.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (TAmPV)

271 7 Ace, somebody pointed out the black flag has been co-opted by the Cuckshed.

http://tinyurl.com/yyuuxh7c
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:05 PM (t6MX/)

Bunch of twinks playing at being butch.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (NWiLs)

272 256 I can honestly say this, if the GOPe wrecks PDT in 2020, I'm done with the party. Even the good ones.

I ain't gonna work on Cuckie's farm no more.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger, Now With Great Uncliness at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (0z7No)

That ship's already sailed for me. They tried to wreck him in 2016, too. and 2017. and 2018.

Their success or failure is immaterial to my being done with them.

It's only a matter of time.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (Ct55T)

273 Is Kraft, and apparently some of the 175 other semi-famous people, aware that there is this thing called the internet, where there are pretty young women waiting to take his call and visit him to "solve his issue?"

Oh, he is? Then he is just a cheap motherf*****.

Got it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (sy5kK)

274 A lot of us figured out the GOP leadership was a joke long ago. They continued to support uncontrolled immigration when we were pointing out you're importing leftists, who mostly vote Left so what was their long game? Balancing the budget, or diminishing the deficit, was always gonna happen with the next budget, or continuing resolution, or whatever, it never happened., so now I don't care about the deficit. They were fucking liars and now everyone knows and the current leadership in the Senate isn't much better but at lest they were in the game and there were a lot of "rebels", like McCain, who did their own thing.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (4e+hS)

275 The GOPe did to Cuccinelli what Brutus did to Caesar."

BS. Cooky had no business being the GOP candidate.

The VA GOP's "seniority" system is FUBAR beyond belief.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (6qErC)

276 I've never met a Never-Trumper "conservative" out here in the real world. I guess they're all in the DC-NY Matrix.
Posted by: Soylent Green New Deal

______________________

I have met NeverTrump Republicans here in the real world, but they were also the type that had problems with Mitt Romney and John McCain being too conservative.

Bottom line, drop them and move on.

The one demographic Republicans though need to figure out are suburban white women. Apparently college and graduate school professors really made an impression on these people and they really want to virtue signal how elite and educated they are.

Posted by: Blago at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (UfkIY)

277 []iIt took some time for the suburban woman to get used to the rough stuff, but now they are starting to like it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (sy5kK)

Smack my bitch up.....

Posted by: Prodigy at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (IXZGh)

278 Break it off in their arse. Then split. Later, ask if they wanna buy some bandaids.

Trying to build a Nation-State in tribal lands? Stupid."

I remember believing the lie, "Well, we HAVE to do it or else Iran is gonna end running the whole place!" (meaning Iraq) Well, here we are 20 years and trillions of dollars later, and Iran runs the whole place. Great job, guys, great job.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (Kpl3J)

279 There use to be a cheap Hustler knock off mag called High Society."

Oui, cheri...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (6qErC)

280 260
So Jupiter Florida is the home of what winter league sports teams???????

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:33 PM (ymnmz)

Marlins and Cardinals.

But other teams are nearby--including Red Sox.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (NFEMn)

Prediction- Lots of young horny rich ball players are gonna have their lives ruined. But hey.... don't go to dollar store whore houses.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (ymnmz)

281 So New Jersey won't have Presidential balloting this year? 'Cause that's how that's most likely to work out.

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but the local Federal Circuit ruled, when Toricelli got dumped, that both parties have a right to a candidate on the ballot (when it helps the DNC).

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (9AcAx)

282 o, we're fucked until trumpism takes over leadership.
Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:24 PM (9AcAx)

That's always been one of my underlying assumptions if we're gonna win.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (y7DUB)

283 Bloviated Snizz > Fat Sack of Fat

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (Wd9tm)

284 Dude. It's not 300 yet.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (6qErC)

Guess I should'a read the content......

Posted by: Prodigy at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (IXZGh)

285 So New Jersey won't have Presidential balloting this year? 'Cause that's how that's most likely to work out.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (uquGJ)

I saw that as the headline of the USA Today-owned local fishwrap and I just groaned.
They really think they can pull this off?

I hate Chicklet-teeth Phil Murphy and his thin-skinned turbaned sidekick.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (NFEMn)

286 > The two-party system is baked into the cake.

Yes. Any system of government is going to have its "islands of stability". It's pretty clear by now that for our particular form, that's a two-party system.

Now, if you're talking about, say, Italy, there are 4 parties with more than 100 delegates in the Chamber of Deputies (out of 630 total), and 11 parties who have delegates at all.

Different setups, different outcomes.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (0OWcv)

287 DAMN you sock.

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (IXZGh)

288 269 I've never met a Never-Trumper "conservative" out here in the real world.

We had a few of those in the Colorado establishment. They're Leftists now.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (ykYG2)

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My father-in-law's girlfriend is one.

I like her. She's an interesting lady, and nice.

But Jesus, does she hate Trump.

Odd thing, she has a history of working in D.C. and California politics, but she didn't know who Juanita Broaddrick was. At all.

"Trump was talking about sexual assault. That's totally different from the consensual relationships of Clinton!"

"What about Juanita?"

"Who?"

It was surreal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (XSSCs)

289 I can understand having the power and not wanting to give up power.

Sampson didn't make it out of the temple alive.
And we're not in the temple, they are.

Rockerfeller, Vanerbuilt and Carnegie had more power than FB, Google and Twitter.
They bought--at great expense-- a President.
To stop a populist.
And they still failed in the end

These NeverTrump are not just stupid, they're ignorant of history as well

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (TN1P5)

290 But hey.... don't go to dollar store whore houses."

So, is 5 and below ok then?

/asking4afriend

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (6qErC)

291 The GoPe is essentially the Democrats. And I am not a Democrat. Is there anything they do not agree with the Establishment Democrats on??

I think the operative word here is Establishment, for both Parties. They are Statists.

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (DpEis)

292 Scoop was the only one who sent his kids to DC public schools. I bet he sent his kids to the best public school in DC, but still, he was the only Democrat who wasn't a complete hypocrite about the virtues of big-city public education.

The real way to fix public education? Pass a law or enact an EO or whatever forcing Congress to send their kids there.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (ZGrMX)

293 >> There use to be a cheap Hustler knock off mag called High Society."

Oui, cheri...

They were all in the Club.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (Wd9tm)

294 Dagny, what you illustrated is what is called 'up marketing'. You see a ton of it today aimed at blacks in advertising. By suggesting that the hip, smart crowd dresses, marries and has the correct crunchy Craftsman house - viola- young adults seek out that template and live it. There is no reasoning associated with it, it simplifies their choices for them and communicates a spirit of correctness and smartness to the result.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (2LelM)

295 277 The VA GOP's "seniority" system is FUBAR beyond belief.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (6qErC)

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"It's MY turn to lose with honor!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (oh/Sd)

296 BS. Cooky had no business being the GOP candidate.

The VA GOP's "seniority" system is FUBAR beyond belief.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:38 PM (6qErC)

This is the problem in a nutshell. That is not something to hash out in the general.

And yet that is what happens for Republicans all too often.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (9VeU0)

297 I didn't really think Mueller was giving up a report quite yet, he should be able to drag it out a good couple of month's.

Barr's AG now. Mueller wants to wrap things up, before Barr reigns him in.

What a frigging disaster Jeff Sessions was.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (I2/tG)

298 And it's hilarious that the cucks are "on a mission to make D.C. dinner parties and green-room visits as uncomfortable as possible for the pro-Trump elite."

When that's all you care about, I guess that seems like a powerful weapon.

Meanwhile, the people they're talking about haven't been able to eat in a restaurant without being attacked in years, much less go to dinner parties with these people and feel "comfortable."

News flash, Bill: these people clearly don't give a fuck about your gay little parties, OK?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (AzW6q)

299 Kristol, Goldberg, et.al. confuse education with intelligence. I've worked with people who have far more formal education than I have and are clueless tools.

Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (oiNtH)

300 16 Meanwhile, I went to Five Guys for lunch. I got the Little burger, a drink, and fried.

$15!

WTF?!?!?
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:08 PM (9VeU0)

The one near me doesn't cost anything like that. 20+ for both of us, and not small. And I get a shake.

They're not great, but I like them because we enjoyed our first visit. Shortly after it opened my wife and I stopped off on the way home from work, and ate there. Something about the whole thing felt like a High School date. And that made us act kind of giggly and much younger. When you're middle aged, you appreciate it when that happens.

Posted by: Eeyore at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (VaN/j)

301 > Oui, cheri...

Said the swank girl in the gallery.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (0OWcv)

302 LONDON -- The Church of England has acknowledged the reality of shrinking congregations and overworked priests and lifted a 400-year-old rule requiring that all churches hold services every Sunday.

You don't hold the Eucharist service because someone else might be watching. You hold the service to thank our Lord and to share in His Supper.

Or is this all too Romish for that crowd? (Which used to be my crowd. Ugh.)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (ykYG2)

303 Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (QkjLD)

Gee, being the gay church sure brought more congregants and "priests" in.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (nRWPy)

304 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (XSSCs)

She didn't know about Paula Jones and her 800k settlement either?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (auUHv)

305 254
But, you guys. Over at The BullShit, they're SHAMING those that back
Trump at various green rooms and gathering places because THAT'S what a
TRUE CONSERVATIVE does.

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (IXZGh)

It's funny. I am sure there were dudes slap-fighting each other back at HQ while dudes were loading up in Higgins boats preparing to storm fortress Europa. But history has never mentioned them.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (t6MX/)

306 Eventually, the aristocrats run out of their ancestor's money, and then suddenly the guy who made his fortune from urinal cakes looks pretty damn good.�

Posted by: pep at February 22, 2019 04:35 PM (T6t7i)

That is true, but doesn't really fit the American story. Trump took the construction wealth of his father and turned it into skyscrapers and luxury establishments. He was and is a true captain of business. Kristol inherited his father's status without any of his intellectual gifts. They're a family of bourgeois beggars that lack actual noble titles. Which leads to the question, in what world does Kristol think he actually has higher status than Donald Trump?

Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (gmJMS)

307 "Trump was talking about sexual assault. That's totally different from the consensual relationships of Clinton!"

3 years later and they still misrepresent the Billy Bush tape. Trump was describing how things work in Hollywood, not literally saying he himself had grabbed anyone by the cooter.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (ZGrMX)

308 Smart money is on Jeter. Dude has given terrible herpes to half of Hollywood and models.

Posted by: Tulsi 2020 at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (BKTpn)

309 305 Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (QkjLD)

Gee, being the gay church sure brought more congregants and "priests" in.

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when your religion is concerned more about global warming and bringing in conquesting invaders...

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (9AcAx)

310 Posted by: Muad'dib at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (sjdRT)

LOL!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (2fwWU)

311 You don't hold the Eucharist service because someone else might be watching. You hold the service to thank our Lord and to share in His Supper.

Or is this all too Romish for that crowd? (Which used to be my crowd. Ugh.)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (ykYG2)

Catholic priests celebrate mass every day even if completely alone.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (nRWPy)

312 270-

They're not booing, they're saying Scoooooooop!

Posted by: Floyd of Rosedale at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (ICaYg)

313 306 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:39 PM (XSSCs)

She didn't know about Paula Jones and her 800k settlement either?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 04:41 PM (auUHv)

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Yeah...it was weird.

This woman worked for CONGRESS in the 90s!!!

And she had no idea.

It was either willful ignorance or her bubble protecting her from bad Clinton news.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (oh/Sd)

314 The real way to fix public education? Pass a law or enact an EO or whatever forcing Congress to send their kids there.

Those kids would go to the public schools in Arlington "County" (who're they fooling, it's a city now) or in Georgetown or in some other swank district. Wouldn't fix any schools outside the Beltway.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (ykYG2)

315 How do you prove that Kraft KNEW it was a trafficking operation and not just a massage parlor with extras?

What say YOU, Jamille?

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (IXZGh)

316 LONDON -- The Church of England has acknowledged the reality of shrinking congregations and overworked priests and lifted a 400-year-old rule requiring that all churches hold services every Sunday.

Canon law dating from 1603 required priests to hold morning and evening prayers and a communion service each Sunday in every church they oversaw.
Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (QkjLD)

Let this sink in a second.

They are acknowledging that the Anglican Church is on life-support.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (NFEMn)

317 270 Trump is what used to be called a "Scoop Jackson Democrat", back before "Democrat" became synonymous with "communist".

Fun fact - while Jackson was in the Senate, some national magazine did an investigation to see where the most powerful people in Washington sent their kids to school.

Scoop was the only one who sent his kids to DC public schools. I bet he sent his kids to the best public school in DC, but still, he was the only Democrat who wasn't a complete hypocrite about the virtues of big-city public education.
Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (I2/tG)

I clearly remember watching the local ABC affiliate newscast when they announced that Scoop Jackson had a heart attack and things didn't look good. He was complaining earlier in the day about not feeling well. The last video was him of walking by some cameras after a local public visit earlier in the day.

I remember just sitting there, stunned. I was eating dinner, and stopped.

Scoop Jackson would have been a fantastic Moron.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (sy5kK)

318 Well there are 2 things in play.

1) *I* believe the GOPes are most comfortable as the minority party. They won't even do the fake fillibuster of withholding 41 votes to let America killing but gub'mint growing crap come to a full vote but they'll tell the rubes that they are opposing the communism.

2) The GOPes still refuse to believe that a good chunk of their base knows damn well that it wasn't just Barky and the Dems/Lois Lerner that quashed the Tea Party movement and voting for Trump in the primary was just the earliest chance to strike back against the Establishment for the dirty war against the more small government base. They think if they can neuter Trump they can go back to their cushy beltway life pretending to oppose the commiecrats and getting invites to all the coolest cocktail parties.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (eASYU)

319 "Trump was talking about sexual assault. That's totally different from the consensual relationships of Clinton!"

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was he though, baby?

Posted by: Wizards! At the bottom of it all! at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (9AcAx)

320 >>Smart money is on Jeter. Dude has given terrible herpes to half of Hollywood and models.

You call that Herpes?

Get off my lawn, kid.

Posted by: Bill CLinton at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (Wd9tm)

321 319 Let this sink in a second.

They are acknowledging that the Anglican Church is on life-support.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (NFEMn)

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A state religion is on life support in its own state.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (oh/Sd)

322 I see I'm gonna hafta pick a topic here....

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (DpEis)

323 1.) They grudgingly accepted Trump during the general election, and the neocon establishment did not, instead breaking for Hillary.

You know what's really funny? NORMAN Poldhoretz still supports Trump. And he's got a gazillion times the cred as a "true neocon" than his pathetic spawn. (I would bet that, had he lived, Irving Kristol would be with us, too.)

Posted by: Eeyore at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (VaN/j)

324
How can you be shamed buy a guy who looks like he's perpetually constipated?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (TAmPV)

325 What amazes me is the GOPe loathes their own base because the base has the temerity to insist that the GOPe actually enact things the GOPe say they stand for.

It's not like the base is out of step with the expressed GOP party platform. Quite the contrary, it's the GOPe that has long performed failure theater on carrying through the GOP platform.

What does the GOPe stand for? Well, that's easy. You just go down the list of the US Chamber of Commerce on business issues (USCC pays for that), they support NRA issues (NRA pays for that), and they support foreign war adventures for strategic issues AND because the defense industry pays for that.

They DON'T support border security, defunding planned parenthood, consumer internet rights, curtailing abusive trade practices by internet giants, etc., because there's no money in it. In the end, me things the GOPe is 75%ish motivated by raising campaign contributions to the House and Senate master campaign funds to support incumbent reelection through the end of time.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (db5dt)

326 176 Imagine if people on the Right had supported Sarah Palin instead of savging her.

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Depends on who you mean by "people of the right" I never had a problem with her.

Posted by: Inogame at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (ySZHT)

327 "Trump was talking about sexual assault. That's totally different from the consensual relationships of Clinton!"

Trump was saying, in a vulgar fashion, that a lot of women are attracted to rich, powerful, famous men.

Anyone with any life experience knows that this is true.

Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (I2/tG)

328 177
Ive noticed though that anyone that challenges the Establishment Republican is quickly deemed a white nationalist bigot. Just like they tried to do with Trump.
Posted by: Blago at February 22, 2019 04:28 PM (UfkIY)

They're still doing it with Trump supporters.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (xjiRE)

329 Smart money is on Jeter. Dude has given terrible herpes to half of Hollywood and models.
Posted by: Tulsi 2020 at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (BKTpn)

Yankee fan here. Though I've never been one to think that Jeter walks on water, this herpes thing is all over the internet.
How true is it?

Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (NFEMn)

330 Another thing I like about Trump is a serious reduction, if not elimination, of the Friday afternoon news dump.

That's lost on the never-trumpers as well.

Posted by: WisRich at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (G0vdT)

331 They are acknowledging that the Anglican Church is on life-support.

The Anglican Church was on welfare from the start. It was and is sponsored by taxes.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (ykYG2)

332 330 "Trump was talking about sexual assault. That's totally different from the consensual relationships of Clinton!"

Trump was saying, in a vulgar fashion, that a lot of women are attracted to rich, powerful, famous men.

Anyone with any life experience knows that this is true.
Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (I2/tG)

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"But he implied that he had done it! He IMPLIED it!!!!!!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (oh/Sd)

333 Meanwhile, the people they're talking about haven't been able to eat in a restaurant without being attacked in years, much less go to dinner parties with these people and feel "comfortable."

News flash, Bill: these people clearly don't give a fuck about your gay little parties, OK?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (AzW6q)
++++++++++++++
I think it goes a bit beyond that. You hit the reality of the outcome - people who can't even go to a sushi joint or a chicken joint have more important things to worry about than not rubbing elbows with Andrea Mitchell (NBC News, Washington) or her ilk.

But it speaks far more to the "elite" NeverTrump (more accurately, perhaps, NeverCon) crowd. To them, rubbing elbows with Andrea Mitchell is *really* important - it is their raison d'etre. This is the real problem. The NeverCon crowd are all the stereotypical if inaccurate version of Marie Antoinette. Unlike her, though, they aren't naive and clueless about what is going on.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (I2dne)

334 3 years later and they still misrepresent the Billy Bush tape. Trump was describing how things work in Hollywood, not literally saying he himself had grabbed anyone by the cooter.

Posted by: Ian S.

And all of the feminist male and female blowhard keep repeating this while having absolutely no problem with rapist Bill.

Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (oiNtH)

335 The Friday night happy hour rush beckons.

See y'all at 3 am on the ONT.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger, Now With Great Uncliness at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (0z7No)

336 Eh.

NeverTrumpers are by and large Neocons.

More or less Democrats/Leftards by inclination and actuality -

but who had a strain of patriotism awakened by 911 and the idiotic lefts idiotic response*

(*Note that they won with their idiotic response by placing an anti-American muslim sympathizer with a muslim name in the White House who developed an ROE set to "even up the odds" for the terrorists and get more American soldiers killed- so mission accomplished)

That's why the NeverTrumpers were never worried about all the damage to the nation Obama was causing, because-

it simply made them more money saying things they didn't really believe to the stupid losers who gave them money**

(**That would be us)

The NeverTrumpers LOOOOOOOVVVED Obama wasting $10T by shoving it into the pockets of his cronies and Democrat hacks, cuz-

that meant that next was their turn to do the same.

Only Trump upset that shitastic plan.

That's why the hate him so much- Their Big Silver Bowl of Gravy was yanking away from their gibbering lips.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (9X624)

337 Trump was saying, in a vulgar fashion, that a lot of women are attracted to rich, powerful, famous men.

Tell us about it!

Posted by: A Traveling NBA Team at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (I2/tG)

338 Oui, cheri...

Said the swank girl in the gallery. "

Hmmm. I'm beginning to think that a few of us are ... slightly over 29.

And perused newsstands in our youth...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (6qErC)

339 Lemme see... Democrat Lite, or Christianity Lite???

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (DpEis)

340 Donald Trump and his supporters are the targets of a deliberate MSM hate campaign.

The GOPe doesn't have the guts for that.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (aCNZ6)

341 For years we voted for the Republican candidate that we weren't exactly crazy about like McCain and Romney and now they should be expected to do the same. No matter how much you hate Trump he is 100 times better than the Communists.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (hECVl)

342 334 They are acknowledging that the Anglican Church is on life-support.

The Anglican Church was on welfare from the start. It was and is sponsored by taxes.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (ykYG2)

============

Hey!

One of the early fights of America!

Decoupling the church from local tax revenues!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (oh/Sd)

343 You don't hold the Eucharist service because someone else might be watching. You hold the service to thank our Lord and to share in His Supper.

-------

But that's not the right sort of dinner party, don't you see? The right sort of people go to dinner parties with Cory Booker.

How declasse.

Posted by: Cap'n Bill at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (AzW6q)

344 84 And just who do they think their voters are, anyway?

There was a large, large number of conservatives that weren't duped by the neocons - they believed those ideas and sympathized with them.

Then two things happened.

1.) They grudgingly accepted Trump during the general election, and the neocon establishment did not, instead breaking for Hillary. While these people weren't enthusiastically pro-Trump, that was unforgivable, and they will never forget that the fact.

2.) To their surprise (and mine, though I wasn't a neocon) he turned out to govern as conservative. Which they never, ever did.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 22, 2019 04:18 PM (AzW6q)

I will confess that I WAS a NeoCon.

But it dawned on me that all of our bombers and all of our men would never put the Balkans together again.

And we were going broke, and mass immigration WAS NOT good for the country (even many legal categories are grossly abused), and "Free Trade" wasn't.

And I was "mugged by reality", just like the Neo-Cons ostensibly once were.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (ujg0T)

345 Though I've never been one to think that Jeter walks on water, this herpes thing is all over the internet.
How true is it?"

Pops up from time to time...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (6qErC)

346 There is a world of difference between trade with mexico, and china.

Perot never sused that, but then again back then clinton was anti-china so they were under the radar.

Trade with mexico mostly means offshoring high labor production. This was necessary for a lot of reasons but mostly because the cost of living in the US meant the US could never be competitive on certain things,and the cost of unionized labor in the US had made the US unproductive on some things, like auto manufacturing.

Trade with mexico helped the us to stay competitive since now the US had a low cost alternative for production. An alternative to outsourcing to SE asia where you quickly lose control of theindustry and are only creating competitors.

So I was, and still am, in favor of trade with Mexico. I am also in favor of trade with countries like Japan and Korea where IP is protected and they are allies.

Trade with China is only building our own gibbet.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (LWu6U)

347 It's weird, because she's less educated than I am, married twice to blue collar guys and from a lower class family, but I'm the one defending the rights of the common man.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (nRWPy)

My education was pretty intense: good enough to know that quite a few undergrad history programs are -only- "America sucks." It's ideological education, not actual scholarship. Anyways, what irritates me about my upper class family is their sneering over the lower classes that are benefitting from the Trump economy. I keep telling them, acting like colonial overlords didn't work out well for the British. Why on earth do you think it will work for you?

Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (gmJMS)

348 I have no faith Barr will be any better than Sessions

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (/rm4P)

349 It is interesting in a "what a fucking tool you are" way that so many people want to either be serfs or hereditary aristocrats. Kristol thinks he's the Earl of Neocon and the looters.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (nRWPy)

350 Smart money is on Jeter. Dude has given terrible herpes to half of Hollywood and models.
Posted by: Tulsi 2020 at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (BKTpn)

Yankee fan here. Though I've never been one to think that Jeter walks on water, this herpes thing is all over the internet.
How true is it?
Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (NFEMn)M

I think it's an urban legend created because the other Yankee great, Dave Winnfield did have herpes and made a big settlement with Robin Given's mother.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (auUHv)

351 > . She's a lib and so tittered that she wished we had educated and intellectually gifted ruling now.

She does know that Trump is a Wharton grad, right? Not only that, he apparently got better grades than either Obama or Gore (I say "apparently" because I don't know for a fact, but I'd bet money that if Trump's grades had been terrible they'd have been leaked by now).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:47 PM (0OWcv)

352 Trump was saying, in a vulgar fashion, that a lot of women are attracted to rich, powerful, famous men.

Anyone with any life experience knows that this is true.
Posted by: The ARC of History at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (I2/tG)

That's the thing. Trump SAID women would LET him grab them by the mish. He never said I'M RUNNING AROUND GRABBING MISH ALL DAY!!!!! And there were NO WOMEN that came forward, with any proof, that he ever did that.

Clinton raped women.

The left is sick and disturbed and should be studied and treated.....like a disease.

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:47 PM (IXZGh)

353 348
Though I've never been one to think that Jeter walks on water, this herpes thing is all over the internet.

How true is it?"

Pops up from time to time...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (6qErC)

Jeter hits a little flare to the right!!!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 22, 2019 04:47 PM (ymnmz)

354 Rich Zeoli 1210am Philadelphia reported the New Jersey State Congress is making up a law any candidate for President has to release their tax forms before becoming eligible to run for office.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/rm4P)

The same New Jersey that twice had an alien on the Presidential ballot?

LOL.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:47 PM (+pejQ)

355 Dereck Jeter is a bi-racial angel!

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 04:48 PM (/tuJf)

356 The Friday night happy hour rush beckons.

See y'all at 3 am on the ONT.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger, Now With Great Uncliness at February 22, 2019 04:45 PM (0z7No)

Holy shit. That's a trooper right there.

It's not even 5 PM and he's already calling the 3 am curtain call......

Wow.

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:48 PM (IXZGh)

357 Rich Zeoli pointed out If NJ is making their own rules for Presidential candidates why not make one there is no age limit so Sandy O- C could run?

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:48 PM (/rm4P)

358 The nevertrump gope is a useless pile of cold wet dogshit. They need to go away. The sooner the better. The gope is no more conservative than hilbitch clinton or the bushez. fuck em.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at February 22, 2019 04:48 PM (0OmEj)

359 Ain't no baller's career gonna be ruined by going to a massage parlor, gotta be someone known for being in a long-time marriage, or a religious figure maybe?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 04:49 PM (2fwWU)

360 I may have been a bit of a Never trumper myself. i didn't trust him - New York Hollywood loudmouth. Just seemed like a scam. And there are "*still" things I don't like. And I worry about the next election, and burning bridges, and all that.

BUT

He has actually delivered on a lot of stuff. Stuff I was assured by the Never trumpers I would never get and couldn't happen. And on top of that, with each unlikely promise delivered, the Nevertrumpers keep pretending like he's done nothing, delivered nothing, or that the cost has been too great to the party "spit".

I suspect they protect the party over principal, in other words, to ensure the continuance of the party as is, with them on top was the priority. Getting any conservative goals accomplished was always a secondary. Even as the secondary goals get ticked off, they keep returning to their primary goal, being in charge.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at February 22, 2019 04:49 PM (AJj50)

361 Wizards! At the bottom of it all!: "you guys remember the deficit and social security crisis?

the GOP congress couldn't have given a shit while they were in power.

so, we're fucked until trumpism takes over leadership."

Unfortunately true. And it's why I supported Perot back in the day. He was the Trump of his day but had better manners and thinner skin. See where that got him. It'll take a Trump, an even meaner, more determined Trump than we have now, to tackle these humongous issues. Frankly, our government, as constructed, WILL NOT EVER address these self-legislated catastrophes.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 22, 2019 04:49 PM (6eEQ+)

362 Hmmm, now Brazil seems to be dealing with its own approaching invader caravan, from Venezuela.

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 04:49 PM (e7oj4)

363 246 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge
..........

TH!

Posted by: wth at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (v0R5T)

364 > And perused newsstands in our youth...

Truly it was the Golden Age of Porno Mags. We shall never see its like again.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (0OWcv)

365 The funny thing about Jamele Hill is she is basically an NBA / Hip Hop groupie.

I can't imagine her circle is very clean, at all.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (Wd9tm)

366 Anyways, what irritates me about my upper class family is their sneering over the lower classes that are benefitting from the Trump economy. I keep telling them, acting like colonial overlords didn't work out well for the British. Why on earth do you think it will work for you?
Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:46 PM (gmJMS)

I see and hear that too and I usually meet that with asking who they actually like? Trump too crass for you and yet the progs are a million times more "crass." That's usually met with something about twitter, which I then need to explain to them.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (nRWPy)

367 Nailed it!

Posted by: wth at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (v0R5T)

368
1) *I* believe the GOPes are most comfortable as the minority party. They won't even do the fake fillibuster of withholding 41 votes to let America killing but gub'mint growing crap come to a full vote but they'll tell the rubes that they are opposing the communism.
...
Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at February 22, 2019 04:43 PM (eASYU)
++++++++++++
They neocons love being the minority party. Conservative, Inc. thrives on it. This is because they're the same as the Democrats - as of about 1990.

I think the real problem is that the entire notion of political conservatism got hijacked. When the Democrats took their hard left turn starting gravitating toward the communist side of things, they alienated a lot of their non-commie Dem base. These people were fond of Big Government (tm), social progams, etc. - but they weren't communists and they refused to cast the USSR as anything but the enemy. They jumped ship and reluctantly joined the Republicans.

Within their new party, they found lots of people who were perfectly comfortable with growing the state (even if they didn't like it professed not to like it). The Republican party took a hard left turn and it became the non-pinko wing of the Democrat party.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (I2dne)

369 332 Smart money is on Jeter. Dude has given terrible herpes to half of Hollywood and models.
Posted by: Tulsi 2020 at February 22, 2019 04:42 PM (BKTpn)

Yankee fan here. Though I've never been one to think that Jeter walks on water, this herpes thing is all over the internet.
How true is it?
Posted by: JoeF. at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (NFEMn)

Herpes, the bad kind with major flare ups every 2-3 months is impossible to hide. Word gets around like people with terrible herpes.

Posted by: Tulsi 2020 at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (BKTpn)

370 >>>The one demographic Republicans though need to figure out are suburban
white women. Apparently college and graduate school professors really
made an impression on these people and they really want to virtue signal
how elite and educated they are.

I've never understood this. How the hell does anyone know how you vote? You can tell folks whatever you like, but what you do in the voting booth...

Posted by: cfo mom at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (RfzVr)

371 The left is sick and disturbed and should be studied and treated.....like a disease.

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:47 PM (IXZGh)

Take off and nuke from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (t6MX/)

372
I can't imagine her circle is very clean, at all.
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 04:50 PM (Wd9tm)

There's so many slang terms for a woman's hoohaa.........

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (IXZGh)

373 they're done, they're finished, they belong on the dust heap of history.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:29 PM (Kpl3J)

this is a good point

You see Trump trying to pull troops out and the people - all people for the most part, are happy about this.

Remember, Trump kept going on about at least getting something in return, like their oil, which of course.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (OKeCc)

374 Trump was saying, in a vulgar fashion, that a lot of women are attracted to rich, powerful, famous men.

Back when Neal Boortz still had his radio show he'd occasionally tell tales of his days as an agent for professional athletes. He said there was a steady stream of women knocking on his hotel room door during the NFL draft and offering to do whatever he wanted if he'd tell them where to find one of his clients.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (ZGrMX)

375 Rich Zeoli 1210am Philadelphia reported the New Jersey State Congress
is making up a law any candidate for President has to release their tax
forms before becoming eligible to run for office.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/rm4P)
Unconstitutional.

Posted by: Archer at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (gmo/4)

376 368 She took more balls to the rim than michael Jordan.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (BXMxN)

377 NeverTrumpers are not that much different than left wingers...They harbor such deep seated hatred for PDT that they would rather take down the entire Party, and Country rather than see PDt succeed or even exist.
Sad but true.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (Y+V3r)

378 I am amused by ace's pique with the NeverTrumpers.

He was one before he wasn't one. I am glad he flipped. But all those "imagines" I posted were candidates who the base liked and, well, ace didn't.

He understands exactly where it comes from.

Maybe it is the passion of the converted.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (9VeU0)

379 139 The Vichy French were realists. Neo Cons are not realists. They are spoiled Manhattan Brats.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (2LelM)

That's a point I hadn't considered. They did keep their word about their fleet, and scuttled it rather than hand it over to the Germans. The NTers would never have done that. "See anything else you want, Hans?"

Posted by: Eeyore at February 22, 2019 04:52 PM (VaN/j)

380 I'm an Always Trumper now.... cuz', seriously, who in hell can you imagine fighting the Democratic Socialists like he does??? ( Side note.... this is why Coulter pisses me off so much... what is your plan, Ann??)

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 04:52 PM (DpEis)

381 >>Truly it was the Golden Age of Porno Mags. We shall never see its like again.

"Excuse me, Ma'am - Is that the New Issue of 'Shaved Snizz' or is that the August Issue?"

Might be the funniest sentence/question I have ever heard uttered to an octigenarian

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 04:52 PM (Wd9tm)

382 Maybe it is the passion of the converted.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (9VeU0)

No one expects the acequisition!

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (BJlbN)

383 "Trump was talking about sexual assault. That's totally different from the consensual relationships of Clinton!"
======
Quote of Trump was "They LET you grab them by the pussy."

Quote of BJ Clenis was "Put some ice on that."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (pw+jk)

384
"Prominent members of society" sounds like the type of people on The Social Register.
Expecting guys in top hats and tails to be frog- marched.
Posted by: JoeF.

Top monocle men.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (aKsyK)

385 Rich Zeoli 1210am Philadelphia reported the New Jersey State Congress
is making up a law any candidate for President has to release their tax
forms before becoming eligible to run for office.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/rm4P)
Unconstitutional.
Posted by: Archer at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (gmo/4)

Yup, but I'd rather see them waste their time on shit like that rather than continuing to increase my taxes and other wise ruin my life. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (Y+V3r)

386 Agreed. A large portion of the GOP establishment loathes their base. The base figured it out.

All your base are yadda yadda....

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (NLLmE)

387 Unconstitutional.

Posted by: Archer at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (gmo/4)

The leftists have already determined to establish a religious test for office, Constitution be damned.

Posted by: Miklos, stating the obvious at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (zCyNd)

388 Now, if you're talking about, say, Italy, there are 4 parties with more than 100 delegates in the Chamber of Deputies (out of 630 total), and 11 parties who have delegates at all.

Different setups, different outcomes. "

The problem with the Italian setup (and a lot of Euros are like this) are that you end up with a completely disorganized and chaotic government with NO ONE in the country capable of putting together actual majority support for anything. So the country just floats along, hoping someone else will take care of things.

It's like England's Parliamentary system fight now - you have May's Tories saying "watch us totally screw up Brexit and turn it into a disaster to teach you idiots a lesson!" while meanwhile, Labor is saying "hey, that's nothin, watch us bring back the gas chambers for the jews!" And that's the choice they supposedly have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (Kpl3J)

389 If Saul became Paul...

does that mean Ace becomes... Ape?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (Ct55T)

390 Rich Zeoli 1210am Philadelphia reported the New Jersey State Congress
is making up a law any candidate for President has to release their tax
forms before becoming eligible to run for office.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (/rm4P)
Unconstitutional.
Posted by: Archer at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (gmo/4)

He should release last year's, since he took no salary.....

Posted by: Sponge at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (IXZGh)

391 So NJ is trying to write federal law now? We'll see how that works out.

Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 04:53 PM (oiNtH)

392 LONDON -- The Church of England has acknowledged the reality of shrinking congregations and overworked priests and lifted a 400-year-old rule requiring that all churches hold services every Sunday.

Canon law dating from 1603 required priests to hold morning and evening prayers and a communion service each Sunday in every church they oversaw.
======

Meanwhile the mosques are very, very well-attended.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (JcXHH)

393 Ape of Ppadp?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (Ct55T)

394 On Bill Kristol and his loud clown car full of chiefs with no Indians, I don't even think it's fair anymore to say that he's GOP-elite or neocon or whatever. Dude is a hollow shell at this point, on his own gravy chain funded by liberal benefactors. Not fair to hold him or his clan as representative of any kind of movement, really.

Put another way, I've yet to meet a "Never Trumper" in real life. I get the sense we're talking about a group of people of less than 100 people in the media business with a funded megaphone. That's it.

Do they have followers numbering in the thousands? Sure, but who are they? How many of the followers have voted GOP in the past? How many are real people and not bot followers paid by the same benefactors that fund the Krisol et. al. work product?

Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (db5dt)

395 I'm an Always Trumper now.... cuz', seriously, who in hell can you imagine fighting the Democratic Socialists like he does??? ( Side note.... this is why Coulter pisses me off so much... what is your plan, Ann??)
Posted by: kraken

Fuck Ann.

And fuck Todd.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (NLLmE)

396 He understands exactly where it comes from.

Maybe it is the passion of the converted.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (9VeU0)

They stole his twitter whoore.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (t6MX/)

397 One of the original NeverTrumpers on this Blog was ChemJeff. I went after him with great enthusiasm. Almost got me banned.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (Y+V3r)

398 > He was one before he wasn't one. I am glad he flipped.

There is a major difference between being suspicious of Trump then, when all he had was a long history of schmoozing with Hollywood types and political insiders, and being suspicious of Trump now, after he's proven himself.

I did not trust Trump either, and I don't think that was unreasonable.

Now? He's got my vote and full support.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (0OWcv)

399 Nice to know that a state house can amend the constitution at will.

Next up, Hawaii demands Spam and Poi at all American public school cafeterias.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:55 PM (Ct55T)

400 The one demographic Republicans though need to figure out are suburban white women. Apparently college and graduate school professors really made an impression on these people and they really want to virtue signal how elite and educated they are.

Lesbian man-hating femi(commu)nist indoctrination took its toll. The overwhelming number of women remained straight, but their entire view of men and family life has become jaundiced.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 04:55 PM (ujg0T)

401 I forget who I heard it from, but Kristol and his ilk are getting an object lesson in a political axiom:

"It is much easier for the base to find a new elite than for the elite to find a new base."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 04:55 PM (I2dne)

402 Within their new party, they found lots of people who were perfectly comfortable with growing the state (even if they didn't like it professed not to like it). The Republican party took a hard left turn and it became the non-pinko wing of the Democrat party.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

What the left needs, is one charismatic character to grab the commie reins and start disappearing huge swaths of the left. Left everyone see just what communism/socialism really is.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 04:55 PM (Y5LDn)

403 Hmmm, now Brazil seems to be dealing with its own approaching invader caravan, from Venezuela.
Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 04:49 PM (e7oj4)

--------------------------

Maduro's closing that border is a twofer for him. International aid gets kept out, citizens/subjects get kept in. Until his Military turns on him, that is.......

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 04:55 PM (ffYR/)

404 383 139 The Vichy French were realists. Neo Cons are not realists. They are spoiled Manhattan Brats.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 22, 2019 04:23 PM (2LelM)

Something that the Vichy French were complete Realists about: "Hey you know what? We hate the Jews just about as much as the Nazi's do, so why don't we quit fighting and help them out?" They were EAGER to round up their own jews and send them to the death camps.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:56 PM (Kpl3J)

405 402 Heh,you know what AmishDude calls himself on Twitter now?

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 04:56 PM (BXMxN)

406 Nice to know that a state house can amend the constitution at will.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:55 PM (Ct55T)

As I said, it's New Jersey. They twice had a green-card holder on the Presidential ballot. Twice.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:56 PM (+pejQ)

407 That includes the neocon elite that is at the vanguard of the deplatforming movement. Kristol, Goldberg, Rubin, Stephens, Boot for starters.
Posted by: trev006 at February 22, 2019 04:27 PM (gmJMS)

Jonah Goldberg would never deplatform Ace. Why, he'd have to start writing his own stuff.

Posted by: Eeyore at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (VaN/j)

408 396 LONDON -- The Church of England has acknowledged the reality of shrinking congregations and overworked priests and lifted a 400-year-old rule requiring that all churches hold services every Sunday.

Canon law dating from 1603 required priests to hold morning and evening prayers and a communion service each Sunday in every church they oversaw.
======

Meanwhile the mosques are very, very well-attended.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (JcXHH)

Soft and fuzzy churches that surrender to the spirit of the age and don't actually stand for anything have a way of ending up not standing at all.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (aCNZ6)

409 Trump horrified a lot of old time conservatives when he started whacking countries with tariffs and here he is on the cusp of deal with China that will fundamentally change world trade for the better.

Trump seems less interested in Party politics and a lot more interested in doing what makes sense.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 04:32 PM (/tuJf)

There is something in the deal focusing on the China currency manipulation. I am not going to get my hopes up, but this is amazing to watch.

Trump will go down as the best President for America in America's history.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (OKeCc)

410 I did not trust Trump either, and I don't think that was unreasonable.

Now? He's got my vote and full support.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (0OWcv)

I did not know whether to trust or distrust Trump. I did know not to trust the GOPe, and Trump was the only one who stood a chance at beating hillary, and that was enough for me.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (t6MX/)

411 As I said, it's New Jersey. They twice had a green-card holder on the Presidential ballot. Twice.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 04:56 PM (+pejQ)

Well, I just took a vote, and in my house it's unanimous that I can carry a firearm in New Jersey.

*sigh of relief*

I love this new system! So convenient!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (Ct55T)

412 "Trump was talking about sexual assault. That's totally different from the consensual relationships of Clinton!"

Say what?

Posted by: Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, and lots more! at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (o4zZv)

413 I could say something about suburban educated white women being spoiled, privileged, unthoughtful, and easily led by Mass Media. Well, I could.

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (DpEis)

414

Speaker Fuckface is having a fake news presser??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (2Glrq)

415 Lesbian man-hating femi(commu)nist indoctrination took its toll. The overwhelming number of women remained straight, but their entire view of men and family life has become jaundiced.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 04:55 PM (ujg0T)
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I think that's a part of it. But beyond that, Democrats come across as friendly and caring. It's all a ruse of course, but the Dems are the party cares and they carry that message well. They care about the oppressed minorities (even if the minorities change a lot and they actually just want to enslave them). Women like caring. They like associating with people who care, and will care on their behalf.

Trump has done well here, I think, but it isn't enough. He drops the hammer over and over and over about how the Republicans - not the Democrats - want you to be rich and free instead of poor and bound. But the messaging is easily overpowered by the state complex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (I2dne)

416 Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 04:44 PM (db5dt)

Yep. Being part of the local nomination process in Colorado in '08 showed me that *I* was the RINO *because* I believed in the party platform. It was disheartening to say the least.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (uquGJ)

417 Nikki Haley's daughter is running for VP of Clemson's student body. Pray for her safety.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (SkuXa)

418 --------------------------

Maduro's closing that border is a twofer for him. International aid gets kept out, citizens/subjects get kept in. Until his Military turns on him, that is.......

I think Brazil should seize it's border, and Columbia should seize the border next to it. That could provide a rump state for Guaido to take power over, and start distributing aid. Venezuela does not have enough real military power left to oppose this - their "army" now is just a goon squad good for beating up civilians, no more.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (Kpl3J)

419 There are three things I have disagreed with Trump is Signing the first CR claiming he did it for the military but contradicted himself later about using that money somewhere else, his prison reform act and the fact that he did not make the Wall his priority immediately after his inauguration when he had at least a Republican Congress.

I also am disappointed he caved on the shut down.

I didn't agree with everything Reagan did either but I consider him in the top 5 Presidents ( he goes from 5 to 1 and back again as they all do depending how I feel

)

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (auUHv)

420 Why no, steevy, what does Amish Dude call himself now??

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (DpEis)

421 402 Heh,you know what AmishDude calls himself on Twitter now?
Posted by: steevy

#Pompousfuckwit

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (NLLmE)

422 Meanwhile the mosques are very, very well-attended.

I think you solved the mystery.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (dUJdY)

423 Speaker Fuckface is having a fake news presser??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (2Glrq)

Fuckface? Not even with a rented dick...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (Ct55T)

424 They really should have noticed their power was nil when Jeb!'s polling was at the bottom of the heap for so long. This was well before Donald Trump clinched the nomination. Think they should have learned something about that alone, but they chose not to. They would have likely been very critical (without the spittle-flecked hate) toward Cruz as well. Or most anyone who didn't get their initial blessing. How dare we! Incidentally, I have no respect for those like Kristol, who trade their so-called principals to the highest bidder or flop to the floor in a tantrum because their chosen one wasn't chosen. Because that means they don't have any, and don't deserve my attention.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (JoUsr)

425 I am amused by ace's pique with the NeverTrumpers.

He was one before he wasn't one. I am glad he flipped. But all those "imagines" I posted were candidates who the base liked and, well, ace didn't.

He understands exactly where it comes from.

Maybe it is the passion of the converted.
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (9VeU0)

Realizing you've been lied to is a powerfully motivating force.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (y7DUB)

426 > Trump will go down as the best President for America in America's history.

He's going to be one of the greats, for sure, but I wouldn't say the best in history.

I'm still sticking with Washington for that one.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (0OWcv)

427 Nikki Haley's daughter is running for VP of Clemson's student body. Pray for her safety.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 22, 2019 04:58 PM (SkuXa)

Is she a conservative? Don't assume facts not in evidence

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (Y+V3r)

428 I like how Sean calls Jeb! a non starter as if in 2015 he, with the rest of the pundits, didn't say Jeb! was a shoe in for the GOP nomination and that there was no way Trump could win it.

Posted by: Venus at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (lZaEn)

429 Maduro's closing that border is a twofer for him. International aid gets kept out, citizens/subjects get kept in. Until his Military turns on him, that is.......

Posted by: Calm Mentor

Brazil is also trying to get aid to Venezuela as they know that will be inundated. Read that Maduro's army has shot a few people already.

Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (oiNtH)

430 One of the original NeverTrumpers on this Blog was ChemJeff. I went after him with great enthusiasm. Almost got me banned.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (Y+V3r)

----------------------------

I was a lurker then. I always wondered why he was allowed to get away with 5x the shit any other commenter would get banned for.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (ffYR/)

431 382 I am amused by ace's pique with the NeverTrumpers.

He was one before he wasn't one. I am glad he flipped. But all those "imagines" I posted were candidates who the base liked and, well, ace didn't.

He understands exactly where it comes from.

Maybe it is the passion of the converted.
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (9VeU0)

I get it. I thought Trump couldn't beat Hillary. Now, I know that Trump was the only one who could beat Hillary. He gained my respect for that and as the left has become more and more unhinged, the "nevertrumpers" have become EVEN MORE unhinged.

My main focus, which ideologically is the proper one, is beating back the far left, not getting a hard on for some politician. I really don't care what you do when it is opposition to the Left.

That's what conservatism IS, trying to keep the country to what it was founded as, the shining city on the hill, the last best hope of the world. To even approach a shadow of a thought of that idea, that great experiment in freedom, we have to beat back the march of the communist/socialist LEFT.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (nRWPy)

432 Catholicism (and Orthodoxy I think) structured its Eucharist around the Jewish Messianic Banquet. In Judaism this is supposed to happen at the end of days, as it is in Christianity; but the Mass is supposed to be a foretaste of that.

So I gathered from Scott Hahn anyway.

I don't know if Judaism has a regular institution like that, maybe Passover comes close.

Either way I think we can all agree that at the rate Kristol is going, he's going to be gnashing his teeth on That Day. Whatever religion has the right of it, Kristol is wrong

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (ykYG2)

433 They will regain power by helping the Democrats regain power. The reason they don't change parties is because they think they can persuade more as Republicans. And apparently this isn't a new game.

Posted by: Drer Brererd at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (vtd+q)

434 And even if you concede they are 30% of the party--they were never 30% of the vote.

All those polls with ten, twenty percent of Republicans supporting the Democrats?
And you're like "WTF, who are the Republicans voting for Obama?!"

That's where they were on Election Day

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (TN1P5)

435 Drain the FUCKING swamp!

This stuff reads like a butthurt, teenage, dream sequence.

Posted by: Fritz at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (wxZSX)

436 I was a lurker then. I always wondered why he was allowed to get away with 5x the shit any other commenter would get banned for.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (ffYR/)

People felt sorry for ChemJeff.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (+pejQ)

437 Is she a conservative? Don't assume facts not in evidence
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (Y+V3r)

Doesn't matter. Academic leftist fuckwits just want to punish anyone associated with Trump.

The prayer request was for safety.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (9VeU0)

438 LONDON -- The Church of England has acknowledged the reality of shrinking congregations and overworked priests and lifted a 400-year-old rule requiring that all churches hold services every Sunday.

Canon law dating from 1603 required priests to hold morning and evening prayers and a communion service each Sunday in every church they oversaw.
Posted by: SMOD at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (QkjLD)

For Catholicism...
I was shocked and surprised that the Pope finally said something that made sense. A mistake for not taking care of the pedo's etc. No kidding. About time. Too little too late?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (OKeCc)

439 I did not know whether to trust or distrust Trump. I did know not to trust the GOPe, and Trump was the only one who stood a chance at beating hillary, and that was enough for me.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (t6MX/)
+++++++++
I was an early Trump supporter, though I thought it was a kamikaze kind of support. I didn't entirely trust the guy and I though he had the makings of a dictator, but I supported and voted for him anyway.

My motivation for this was that I liked his approach of containing the illegal invasion from the south and his approach to walking back the free trade fundamentalism that has hollowed out our industrial base. In other words, I liked some of his policy options.

This is not why I supported him, though. I supported him because I wanted to punish the perfidious Republican Party. I assumed Trump would lose until quite close to election day (about before the Access Hollywood tape dropped is when I thought he turned the corner). I wanted to destroy the Republican Party so it could be rebuilt into something that didn't betray me within six weeks of every new congress.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (I2dne)

440 Is she a conservative? Don't assume facts not in evidence
---------

Do you think crazed leftists would care or bother to find out?

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (SkuXa)

441 Once it was The Donald or Broomhilda there wasn't a choice to be made. That's what I will not forgive about Nevers.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (/rm4P)

442 Doesn't matter. Academic leftist fuckwits just want to punish anyone associated with Trump.

The prayer request was for safety.
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 05:00 PM (9VeU0)

That be true

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (Y+V3r)

443 I didn't really think Mueller was giving up a report quite yet, he should be able to drag it out a good couple of month's.
Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (/rm4P)

He wants to keep it in the news and he's waiting for "the right moment"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 05:02 PM (OKeCc)

444 what does Amish Dude call himself now??

@AutisticWankbag?

(or was that my handle . . .)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 05:02 PM (ykYG2)

445 Wow, Maetenloch.... have not thought about him for forever....

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:02 PM (DpEis)

446 431 I am amused by ace's pique with the NeverTrumpers.

He was one before he wasn't one. I am glad he flipped. But all those "imagines" I posted were candidates who the base liked and, well, ace didn't.

He understands exactly where it comes from.

Maybe it is the passion of the converted.
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2019 04:51 PM (9VeU0)

Realizing you've been lied to is a powerfully motivating force.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (y7DUB)

I get it. I was a Trump Doubter too. But he kept saying the Blunt Truth that no one else, not even Ted Cruz, could, although Ted came close.

I remember arguing with NeverTrumpers, saying to them, "Look, I prefer Ted Cruz (which I sincerely DID), but Trump is making a good point...."

They would have none of it.

And I began to realize WHY they would have none of it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:03 PM (ujg0T)

447
Speaker Fuckface is having a fake news presser??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 04:57 PM (2Glrq)

====
Did someone say fuck face?

Posted by: Justin Fairfax at February 22, 2019 05:03 PM (pw+jk)

448 I am amused by ace's pique with the NeverTrumpers.
.........

and I am impressed with his unique ability to mock them relentlessly.

Posted by: wth at February 22, 2019 05:03 PM (v0R5T)

449 Wow, Maetenloch.... have not thought about him for forever....
Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:02 PM (DpEis)
+++++++++++++++
He did a guest ONT not too long ago. Sometime this year, I think.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:03 PM (I2dne)

450 A large portion of the GOP leadership loathes the base, its true. But now its mutual, and its not ever going to get better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:04 PM (39g3+)

451 I made the mistake of clicking on Drudge....saw stupid Jussie Noose with a T-shirt that said 'Fuck Donald' over an American flag. I also made the mistake of watching a video of people beating a pi�ata that looks like Trump at a Beto rally.

I really need to stay away from Drudge.

Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 05:04 PM (oiNtH)

452 I was a Cruz backer, even though I did think he looked like Grandpa Munster....

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:04 PM (DpEis)

453 399 I'm an Always Trumper now.... cuz', seriously, who in hell can you imagine fighting the Democratic Socialists like he does??? ( Side note.... this is why Coulter pisses me off so much... what is your plan, Ann??)
Posted by: kraken

Fuck Ann.

And fuck Todd.
Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2019 04:54 PM (NLLmE)

--Sorry, but I'm with Ann.

Signing that bill was stupid.

Ann actually did propose, years ago, a wealth (not income) tax on billionaires like the Koch Bros. who benefit from importing Third World helots and H1-Bs.

I'm all for that --which puts me in agreeance [shudders] with Lieawatha.

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:04 PM (e7oj4)

454 Once it was The Donald or Broomhilda there wasn't a choice to be made. That's what I will not forgive about Nevers.
Posted by: Skip

Gobsmacked I was.

I thought they were bitter over the primaries, then I realized they just wanted Hillary to win.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2019 05:04 PM (NLLmE)

455 I remember arguing with NeverTrumpers, saying to them, "Look, I prefer Ted Cruz (which I sincerely DID), but Trump is making a good point...."

THe thing is, the NT didn't and don't like Ted Cruz, either. Because he is a genuine conservative. He's nationalist, he's small government, etc. They don't WANT any of that for real, they just make the noises because its what the base wants to see done, and donates money to make happen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM (39g3+)

456 I made the mistake of clicking on Drudge....saw stupid Jussie Noose with a T-shirt that said 'Fuck Donald' over an American flag. I also made the mistake of watching a video of people beating a pinata that looks like Trump at a Beto rally.
Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 05:04 PM (oiNtH)
+++++++
That pinata is something the right needs to capitalize on. Back to point about suburban women, the Dems do a lot to talk about being the "party that cares" while doing crap like that - crap that the MSM will *never* cover. The Republicans need to make montages of Democrat nastiness and run them wall-to-wall during the campaign.

Want to flip the suburban woman vote? Show the Dems as nasty, slimy monsters they are.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM (I2dne)

457 my eyes get herpes when they gaze at Drudge's site layout.

IT ISN'T 1996 ANYMORE.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM (ykYG2)

458 Man, if you were looking for a posterboi to warn mothers about the dangers of feeding their male children too much soy, that McKay Coppins profile pic would work just fine.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 05:07 PM (0OWcv)

459 AmishDude is now AgainstTrumpDude LOL

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 05:07 PM (BXMxN)

460 my eyes get herpes when they gaze at Drudge's site layout.

IT ISN'T 1996 ANYMORE.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM (ykYG2)
++++++++++
Given our venue here, might not want to throw stones

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:07 PM (I2dne)

461 The other issue is that republicans have a history of fucking up. John McCain anyone? Bob Dole? Mitt Romney? Corey Stewart in Virginia?

It looked to me for a while like we were going to nominate a goof, a laughing stock, that would be destroyed on the national stage.

But he ended up ACTUALLY speaking truth to power and he WORKED the campaign, he worked the crowd, he spoke the language of the people. I admit I was embarrassed by him. But, Jesus, he took down the most dangerous horrible disaster that was ever close to winning a presidency and since then has been correct most of the time and is brave enough to beat back at the left. He hasn't backed down.

He reminds me of being taken to a hole-in-the-wall restaurant with chipped formica and mismatched plates and then getting the best food you've ever had while everyone at the Ritz gets ebola from the foie gras.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 05:08 PM (nRWPy)

462 NeverTrumper strategy is to bleed votes from the GOP in major elections at both state and national levels, which will lead to several defeats and essentially put the Republican Party in the political wilderness for several years until they--the NeverTrumpers--can return as saviors & reassume their leadership roles within the party.

Kristol's tweeted as much. That appears to be their master plan.

Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2019 05:08 PM (1JpTT)

463 Once it was The Donald or Broomhilda there wasn't a choice to be made. That's what I will not forgive about Nevers.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (/rm4P)
This x 1000. I will never understand it, let alone forgive it.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 05:08 PM (2fwWU)

464 > THe thing is, the NT didn't and don't like Ted Cruz, either. Because he is a genuine conservative.

I still hope to see Cruz on the Supreme Court someday.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 05:08 PM (0OWcv)

465 Emotionally, they are no different from 2 year olds pitching hissy fits, except 2 year olds aren't capable of rationalizing their rage and writing 1000 word articles explaining why it is "principled" to have a hissy fit when Daddy tells you you can't have ice cream for dinner.

Also, 2 year olds dont stay mad for 2 whole years.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at February 22, 2019 05:09 PM (d6Ksn)

466 >>--Sorry, but I'm with Ann.

>>Signing that bill was stupid.

Ok. What's your alternative? Remember, it has to be in the realm of possibility and pretending Pelosi and Schumer would have folded when they had zero reason to do so is not an alternative.

When you play poker and you bluff and someone calls it you don't get to change the rules and say your bluff wins anyway.

Trump made his point about the border, proved Congress was not going to help and is now doing it on his own. The wall is the prize, eyes on the prize. If he gets the wall nobody and I mean nobody is going to give a shit about the bill he signed.

Or Ann.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

467 He was one before he wasn't one. I am glad he flipped. But all those "imagines" I posted were candidates who the base liked and, well, ace didn't. "

This isn't really a fair criticism, because in 2016 it was very fair to question what Trump would end up actually being. His past record (such as it was) wasn't reassuring. But the big difference early on, even then, between Ace (and many of us) and the Never Trumpers was that the NT's hated Trump so much that they decided to support Hillary instead, and do things like set up that idiot puppet Egg McMuffin to try to siphon votes away from him. (that clown has pretty much vanished, hasn't he?)

NOW it's obvious that Trump has done what he said he would do, or at least he's tried - and yet the NT's hate him even more for that, because he's proving them wrong every day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:10 PM (Kpl3J)

468
That pinata is something the right needs to capitalize on.

Trump gives candy to laughing youngsters!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2019 05:10 PM (aKsyK)

469 301 Kristol, Goldberg, et.al. confuse education with intelligence........
Posted by: Cheri at February 22, 2019 04:40 PM (oiNtH)
---------------------------
This.
But people also confuse being credentialed with being "educated."
Sheila Jackson Lee has a degree from Yale and UVA Law --- super-credentialed. But I have never see evidence of her being well-educated.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2019 05:10 PM (Rxduq)

470 But beyond that, Democrats come across as friendly and caring.
-------

Agree with this, before Obama. But now, there's absolutely nothing about Democrats that comes across as friendly and caring. Democrats come across as aggressive, angry and insane.

THIS is actually really interesting to me, from electoral stand point. Will the New Progressives' straight out civil war waged against GOP turn off enough of the people we used to call "moderate liberals"? Don't know. Hope so, but I don't know.

I suspect many many Democrats are horrified at what the Democrat party has become via the Progressive movement. BUT, the Progressive movement's hyper aggression is designed to make the GOP toxic -- like Hitler Nazi toxic - per their express use of the terms all the time. The game the Progressives are playing is simple, really. In a binary party voting system, they need to make the other side so radioactive toxic that their own moderates won't jump ship.

It would absolutely work, but for the 70% tax rate, reparations, live baby killing, forced vegan conversion, outlawing carbon-based energy, etc. If there actually exists moderate Democrats anymore, multiple of these Progressive platform issues will be a bridge too far because so many of the issues hit the pocket book.

You may hate Trump and the GOP, but you probably hate destroying the economy, your livelihood and your nest egg even more.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 05:10 PM (db5dt)

471 my eyes get herpes when they gaze at Drudge's site layout.

IT ISN'T 1996 ANYMORE.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM (ykYG2)
++++++++++
Given our venue here, might not want to throw stones
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:07 PM (I2dne)

The low-tech aspect of AoSHQ is what makes it so fun.

Socks, cursing, over the top mockery wouldn't be possible in a state of the art twitterized, weaponized with Facebook blog.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 22, 2019 05:10 PM (9X624)

472 I knew Trump could win it from the first time I saw him, when he announced. I didn't watch any of his shows but knew he could get past the media gatekeepers.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 22, 2019 05:10 PM (Lqy/e)

473 These F'ing GOPe nances are no opposition to the left. They should just go ahead and put a (D) next to there name and wear dresses acknowledging their submissiveness. Feckless pussies.

Posted by: JROD at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (qT49E)

474 Sorry, but I'm with Ann.

Signing that bill was stupid.

I don't disagree but I also hate that we can't publicly criticize Trump because it only aids the Democrats. We are in a war and Ann's type of criticism at this time gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

It's a catch 22 for me.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (auUHv)

475 > I also made the mistake of watching a video of people beating a pinata that looks like Trump at a Beto rally.

Is that fuckwit STILL pretending to be Latino?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (0OWcv)

476 470 Once it was The Donald or Broomhilda there wasn't a choice to be made. That's what I will not forgive about Nevers.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (/rm4P)
This x 1000. I will never understand it, let alone forgive it.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 05:08 PM (2fwWU)

Yep. I voted for Cruz in the primary. I was bummed out when Trump won the nomination. I voted for him reluctantly, fully believing he would lose. I've never been so happy to be wrong in my life.

Voting for Hill was never, ever an option.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (d6Ksn)

477 Maet popped into a thread a few weeks ago but missed it only the mentions.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (/rm4P)

478 >>Sheila Jackson Lee has a degree from Yale and UVA Law

And an autographed Animation Cell of Marvin the Martian.

Really, her only degree should be in filing Affirmative Action Paperwork.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (Wd9tm)

479 Trump made his point about the border, proved Congress was not going to help and is now doing it on his own. The wall is the prize, eyes on the prize. If he gets the wall nobody and I mean nobody is going to give a shit about the bill he signed.

Or Ann.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

--You are aware of all the "poison pills" in the law, right?

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (e7oj4)

480 Yes Trump should have vetoed that piece of trash bill, and worked to get a better one. But he wanted to move on and not fight that battle any longer, so he rubber stamped yet another horrible spending bill. Reagan did the same thing several times.

put the Republican Party in the political wilderness for several years until they--the NeverTrumpers--can return as saviors & reassume their leadership roles within the party.

What they don't seem to grok is that if that happens, the GOP NEVER GETS POWER AGAIN.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (39g3+)

481 #444 Pope hugging imam. Not good. Imam only interested in sidelining Catholic in fight with Jews.

Posted by: torabora at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (GulhD)

482 Want to flip the suburban woman vote? Show the Dems as nasty, slimy monsters they are.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM (I2dne)

If they can't see it by now, then they never will and are just useless retards we don't want to be associated with anyways.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (t3CIe)

483 NeverTrumper strategy is to bleed votes from the GOP in major elections at both state and national levels, which will lead to several defeats and essentially put the Republican Party in the political wilderness for several years until they--the NeverTrumpers--can return as saviors & reassume their leadership roles within the party.

Kristol's tweeted as much. That appears to be their master plan.
Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2019 05:08 PM (1JpTT)

Exactly. And with any luck, if they succeed, they will be the first ones lined up against the wall when the left takes charge

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (Y+V3r)

484 We are in a war and Ann's type of criticism at this time gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

It's a catch 22 for me.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (auUHv)

"Ann's type of criticism" is a career move.

Our type of criticism is just criticism.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (Ct55T)

485 Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

Not sign the bill. Shutdown.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (auUHv)

486 96
It's Steve Irwin's birthday and some guy named George Washington. I guess Steve was more important in the history of the world
_______________

Steve had a t.v. show, and George didn't.

Plus, George was an evil raaaaaaacist warmonger who helped found one of the most raaaaaacist and horrible countries in the history of the world!

It was an easy choice for us.

Posted by: evil google assholes at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (fqUgw)

487 > > I also made the mistake of watching a video of people beating a pinata that looks like Trump at a Beto rally.

I wonder what they used to hang the Pinata?

Perhaps a rope?

With a noose on the end?

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (Wd9tm)

488 Catholicism (and Orthodoxy I think) structured its Eucharist around the Jewish Messianic Banquet. In Judaism this is supposed to happen at the end of days, as it is in Christianity; but the Mass is supposed to be a foretaste of that.

So I gathered from Scott Hahn anyway.

I don't know if Judaism has a regular institution like that, maybe Passover comes close.

Either way I think we can all agree that at the rate Kristol is going, he's going to be gnashing his teeth on That Day. Whatever religion has the right of it, Kristol is wrong

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo

Uh, it's a direct commemoration of the Passover dinner before Christ's crucifixion. Pretty much say it every time.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (AM1GF)

489 Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 04:59 PM (ffYR/)

I think he was given every chance because he was a guy that seemed to always be down on himself, his life, etc. I always liked him. I left right around the time he was going a lil whack on immigrants, and I guess he went all the way whack eventually?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (2fwWU)

490 I've been asking this as well - what is NeverTrump trying to accomplish? What actual, concrete goals are they trying to achieve other than feathering their own nests.

Posted by: alexthechick -

Their goal seems to have been getting a check from leftwing billionaires. Kraft's rub 'n tug whores were more honest.

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (25Dt7)

491 It's weird, because she's less educated than I am, married twice to blue collar guys and from a lower class family, but I'm the one defending the rights of the common man.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 04:36 PM (nRWPy)

we can only hope you knocked some sense into her

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (OKeCc)

492 Was Ace really a never trumper?

My recollection is that as soon as he won the primary, Ace was behind him, although reluctantly.

Never trumpers are people who supported hillary in the general.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (LWu6U)

493 >>Not sign the bill. Shutdown.

So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

494 477>>>

Unfortunately, three words:

Free Shit Army.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (lMVNY)

495 Scott Hahn is a very interesting dude.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (Ct55T)

496 put the Republican Party in the political wilderness for several years until they--the NeverTrumpers--can return as saviors & reassume their leadership roles within the party.

What they don't seem to grok is that if that happens, the GOP NEVER GETS POWER AGAIN.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (39g3+)

They have never backed our leader and never will. They need to go to the wilderness so we can get started cleaning up this shitshow called America.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (t3CIe)

497 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

I'm down with it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (Ct55T)

498 THe thing is, the NT didn't and don't like Ted Cruz, either. Because he is a genuine conservative. He's nationalist, he's small government, etc. They don't WANT any of that for real, they just make the noises because its what the base wants to see done, and donates money to make happen.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM (39g3+)

Like I said, They would have none of it.

And I began to realize WHY they would have none of it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (ujg0T)

499 For Catholicism...
I was shocked and surprised that the Pope finally said something that made sense. A mistake for not taking care of the pedo's etc. No kidding. About time. Too little too late?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 22, 2019 05:01 PM (OKeCc)

Oh Dear.

I'm a Catholic convert and I love the Church.

The Red Pope is lying. They're still trading and protecting the lavender mafia, that's who put him in. Don't believe one word he says. This is lip service.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (nRWPy)

500 500 >>Not sign the bill. Shutdown.

So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

Don't tease me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (bcbK8)

501 >>Close the federal government forever?

Talk like this is not helping my Priapism.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (Wd9tm)

502 I don't disagree but I also hate that we can't publicly criticize Trump because it only aids the Democrats. We are in a war and Ann's type of criticism at this time gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

It's a catch 22 for me.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:11 PM (auUHv)

--Look, we take glee when the likes of Kameltoe or AOC pull the Demotards to the left of Crazy, but Ann is merely trying to pull The Donald to common sense.

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (e7oj4)

503 Nailed it!"

Martin, quit that pounding!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (6qErC)

504 THIS is actually really interesting to me, from electoral stand point. Will the New Progressives' straight out civil war waged against GOP turn off enough of the people we used to call "moderate liberals"? Don't know. Hope so, but I don't know.
...
You may hate Trump and the GOP, but you probably hate destroying the economy, your livelihood and your nest egg even more.
Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 05:10 PM (db5dt)
++++++++++++++
Yes. Their public behavior change between the campaign (caring and compassionate and not at all like that Nasty Trump) and the swearing in of the congress has been unbelievable and extremely reckless. I hope it flips a lot of people (or at least makes a lot of people stay home). They have made playing the "we care" card much, MUCH harder on themselves.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (I2dne)

505 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

Don't strawman me bro !

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (auUHv)

506
Is that fuckwit STILL pretending to be Latino?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

Chito Rafferty

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (aKsyK)

507 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw

How about get back to just what the Constitution authorizes?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (Y5LDn)

508 505 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

I'm down with it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:14 PM (Ct55T)

I wish The Donald had put the blame for the shutdown squarely where it belonged and still does--on Smarmy Schumer and Petulant Peelousy. Heck, with a border wall and more Border Patrol, there would be MORE Fed employees had Trump got his way.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (ujg0T)

509 What they don't seem to grok is that if that happens, the GOP NEVER GETS POWER AGAIN.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Let the GOP fail, it's Hillary's cankle in a boot on our face.

Elect the GOP, they learn nothing and continue their perfidy.

Of course there is a third option. Or there would have been IF WE HAD DONE IT EIGHT DAMN YEARS AGO INSTEAD OF FUCKING AROUND WITH THE TEA PARTY BUSINESS.

LIKE I FUCKING WELL SAID AT THE TIME.

Bloody well should just call myself Jeremiah and be done with it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (AM1GF)

510 GoPe seems to be okay with being the California or Illinois Republican Party.... total, Pontius Pilate deniability...

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (DpEis)

511 Look, we take glee when the likes of Kameltoe or AOC pull the Demotards to the left of Crazy, but Ann is merely trying to pull The Donald to common sense.
Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (e7oj4)

It doesn't help if he can't get re-elected.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (auUHv)

512 --You are aware of all the "poison pills" in the law, right?

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:12 PM (e7oj4)

We lost any chance at getting a good bill the night we lost the midterms. I knew it that night; I'm surprised how many didn't seem to.

The problem with a shutdown is that there never was an endgame. Dems were never going to give in and thinking that voters would blame only dems when chaos ensued was foolish. Trump was better off being able to give his strong SOTU the way he did, and trying the emergency declaration.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (Kpl3J)

513 Never Trumpers are not acting like they have a plan.

They act like a spoiled tween being told no for the first time. We are in the third year of their tantrum.

A tantrum that got old right after Trump won the nomination.

Posted by: Big V at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (sN665)

514 One of my favorite Andrew Jackson stories, the elites of the day were horrified at the rabble who showed at the inauguration who were so corse as to stand on the velvet chairs with their muddy feet so they could see and cheer their President

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (TN1P5)

515 I suspect blackmail,disruption was about to begin from the TSA and others in the leviathan.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 05:17 PM (BXMxN)

516 The GOP establishment are also masochists. They like to lose.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, prole at February 22, 2019 05:17 PM (Z216Q)

517 And lets not shit each other - people here daily espouse loudly about how they would rather die than lose their "principles", or "humanity", or whatever.

I've not noticed that.

However, I do like to know what "principle" they mean. What's the existential precept they are moored to? When someone can tell me what they're holding up and why, then we can examine it. Throwing out vagueries isn't a position.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (nRWPy)

518 they're either with us, or against us.

Posted by: trapper's girl at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (yRQGC)

519 Coulter's comments are just unhelpful, IMO.

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (DpEis)

520

Everybody always says there's more than one way to skin a cat but they never tell me the other way.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (aKsyK)

521 There's no collective "endgame" or goal. There never was. That's why these people act the way they do. They're Grifters. They are out for the individual goal, which is to siphon the cash from the gullible. It's why they don't have consistency or principles. They're mercenaries without a dog in the fight, only a checkbook. They will say, do, and criticize anything and anybody who threatens that meal ticket.

If you really want to have fun with these guys, don't criticize them. The truly entertaining and amusing efforts are when you pit one grifting cuck against another. Convince one cuck that another cuck is threatening their little livelihood and it's "gold Jerry...GOLD!!!" Come on, Ace, you're creative. Let's have a little fun with this. I have a couple ideas on the matter. ;D

Posted by: Orson at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (nINMz)

522 499
Was Ace really a never trumper?

My recollection is that as soon as he won the primary, Ace was behind him, although reluctantly.

Never trumpers are people who supported hillary in the general.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (LWu6U)

He was in league with them. I left when Ace started trying to smear Trump with Epstein.

I am glad Ace came around.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (t6MX/)

523 Not entirely OT, I was taken out to lunch by my two (lib) brothers today. It was a good time until I came back from the ladies room and found them bitching about that "fat fuck Trump." They tried to bait me, but I wouldn't bite.

It's the most infuriating thing though. They are both good, kind men and helpful brothers. One of them does my oil changes and has given me useful advice about buying cars (he used to be a mechanic). I generally enjoy their company. Get them on politics though, and suddenly they lose 50 IQ points. They are white middle class guys who refuse to believe the Dem Party hates white middle class guys. It's so maddening! And they think I'm the close-minded one.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (d6Ksn)

524 519 Look, we take glee when the likes of Kameltoe or AOC pull the Demotards to the left of Crazy, but Ann is merely trying to pull The Donald to common sense.
Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (e7oj4)

No, Anne has sensed that there's good pay in being the Shrieking Harpy on the Right, and she's working to monetize the situation. There's no way that anyone who screwed Bill Maher actually believes a single word she's saying. She's just playing a part.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (Kpl3J)

525
Ann Coulter reminds us we're the Democrats' bitches. We don't like that.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (2Glrq)

526 >>Don't strawman me bro !

I'm not. You said that was the solution.

This is why I put zero stock in Ann Coulter. It sounds great on a blog. It has no bearing on reality. Pushing Trump toward a suicide mission is about as dumb a strategy as I can think of.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (/tuJf)

527 Who is it that Ann Coulter was screwing?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (Y5LDn)

528 522 One of my favorite Andrew Jackson stories, the elites of the day were horrified at the rabble who showed at the inauguration who were so corse as to stand on the velvet chairs with their muddy feet so they could see and cheer their President
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (TN1P5)

A lot of us were horrified at the rabble Obama brought to the White House, too.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (xjiRE)

529 OK... someone better versed in psychology and/or linguistics please explain to me:

Why does "Beto O'Rourke" sound incredibly douchey, but "Pancho MacGillacuddy" sounds totally badass?

Really, any random combination of hispanic first name and Irish last name sounds badass, EXCEPT for "Beto O'Rourke".

Sancho Kennedy
Paco O'Houlihan
Teo Callaghan

That's just making them up at random off the top of my head, not even trying.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (Ct55T)

530 Scott Hahn is a very interesting dude

"Interesting" is the word I would use, too, yes. Not "entirely convincing" but "interesting". I didn't feel cheated when reading his books and I've read a few of them.

Hahn is like Crossan in the mirror-universe.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (ykYG2)

531 Of course there is a third option. Or there would have been IF WE HAD DONE IT EIGHT DAMN YEARS AGO INSTEAD OF FUCKING AROUND WITH THE TEA PARTY BUSINESS.

LIKE I FUCKING WELL SAID AT THE TIME.

Bloody well should just call myself Jeremiah and be done with it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (AM1GF)

Now now, I shudder to think where this nation would be if the Demunists were not removed from Congress majorities in 2010. Yes, the Establican GOPee did not reverse much, but 2009-2010, with Demunists ensconced in Congress, was a period of great damage to the Republic. And the Tea Party Movement stopped that damage.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (ujg0T)

532 We lost any chance at getting a good bill the night we lost the midterms. I knew it that night; I'm surprised how many didn't seem to.

The problem with a shutdown is that there never was an endgame. Dems were never going to give in and thinking that voters would blame only dems when chaos ensued was foolish. Trump was better off being able to give his strong SOTU the way he did, and trying the emergency declaration.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (Kpl3J)

--No.

DJT should have leant on the GOP cucks to remove that loose shit from the bill before signing it.

Veto power is in the Constitution for a reason.

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (e7oj4)

533 Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (Kpl3J)

I agree in principal, but still doubt the House was any less infested with GOPe than the Senate is.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (2fwWU)

534 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

Yes. Absolutely.

Maximum suffering.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (t3CIe)

535 PDT is the only President WE have. let's not spit on him, we all gotta eat from his magnifigance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (Y+V3r)

536 Look, we take glee when the likes of Kameltoe or AOC pull the Demotards to the left of Crazy, but Ann is merely trying to pull The Donald to common sense.
Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:15 PM (e7oj4)

No, Anne has sensed that there's good pay in being the Shrieking Harpy on the Right, and she's working to monetize the situation. There's no way that anyone who screwed Bill Maher actually believes a single word she's saying. She's just playing a part.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Screwed Bill Maher. Her "common sense" is questionable.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Y5LDn)

537 I'm hoping Democrats go all in on crazy but yesterday Legal Insurrection had a article about Mooch jumping in.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (/rm4P)

538 Everybody always says there's more than one way to skin a cat but they never tell me the other way.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (aKsyK)

There's also more than one way to get a pineapple up your arsehole, but who the hell would ever want to do that?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Ct55T)

539 Heh New Jersey passed a law that says Trump cannot be on the ballot if he doesn't show his tax returns. Now this is an obnoxious precedent, but I doubt it can possibly survive court challenge.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (39g3+)

540 It took me a while to figure out who this Ann everyone was ragging on. LOL

Yeah Yeah I am usually the last one to know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Y+V3r)

541 Ann Coulter reminds us we're the Democrats' bitches. We don't like that. "

I really don't pay attention to anything Bill Maher's bitch says.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Kpl3J)

542 Now now,she didn't screw Maher.Just a bony hand job....

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 05:22 PM (BXMxN)

543 Yes. Their public behavior change between the campaign (caring and compassionate and not at all like that Nasty Trump) and the swearing in of the congress has been unbelievable and extremely reckless. I hope it flips a lot of people (or at least makes a lot of people stay home). They have made playing the "we care" card much, MUCH harder on themselves.
--------

Yea, so in this vein, Schultz's independent run is going to be really interesting (and needs to be supported in mass by our side so he makes it to the General in 2020). Don't get me wrong, he's still insane by conservative standards, but from liberal ones, he's quite to the left of the old Moderate Democrat clan, and yet, he's hard right to the entire Progressive candidate field. IF there is a faction of the Democrat party that IS turned off by the Progressive movement, then Schultz will be their guy. Will be very interesting to see what his numbers look like. If he can maintain 10% or more through campaign season, then we'll know that there still exists moderates in the Democrat party.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 05:22 PM (db5dt)

544 No, Anne has sensed that there's good pay in being the Shrieking Harpy on the Right, and she's working to monetize the situation. There's no way that anyone who screwed Bill Maher actually believes a single word she's saying. She's just playing a part.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (Kpl3J)

-----------

Making noise like this is how she pimps her books, nothing more.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 22, 2019 05:22 PM (u22rx)

545 Heh New Jersey passed a law that says Trump cannot be on the ballot if he doesn't show his tax returns. Now this is an obnoxious precedent, but I doubt it can possibly survive court challenge.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (39g3+)

Not passed it...Thinking about proposing one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:22 PM (Y+V3r)

546 I think the whole NeverTrump phenomenon is not really worthwhile to study in terms of logic or reason or planning. There is not end state they're fighting for.

They saw their rice bowls being threatened, and what we're seeing is just a strung-out panic reaction. There is no plan. There is no logic. There was just panic and they reacted to it. They're on the other side of their ballistic path now. Nothing to do but keep on until the ground comes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:22 PM (I2dne)

547 "Interesting" is the word I would use, too, yes. Not "entirely convincing" but "interesting". I didn't feel cheated when reading his books and I've read a few of them.

Hahn is like Crossan in the mirror-universe.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (ykYG2)

--Rome Sweet Home helped nudge me to convert.

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:22 PM (e7oj4)

548 I really don't pay attention to anything Bill Maher's bitch says.

Yeah whatever respect or at least attention I was willing to give her she wiped away by doing an 180 overnight on Mitt Romney. And now she's done it again: he's back to being the worst GOP person ever. Ann is a joke and I'm not sure she's even a she.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:23 PM (39g3+)

549 The "Republican" governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, is getting Strange
New Respect among the Left for mooting a primary challenge against DJT.

Fuck off, Larry.

Posted by: mikeyG at February 22, 2019 05:23 PM (LL1Be)

550 Ann was solidly behind Trump from the get-go, leading the charge.

That gives her cred when she criticizes him.

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:23 PM (e7oj4)

551 Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (/t

It is. Don't sign this poison pill bill , shutdown and tell them not to piss on you and tell you it's rainy and to send you another cleaner bill.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:23 PM (auUHv)

552 It certainly has been an eventful day.

Posted by: Tuna at February 22, 2019 05:23 PM (jm1YL)

553 Of course there is a third option. Or there would have been IF WE HAD DONE IT EIGHT DAMN YEARS AGO INSTEAD OF FUCKING AROUND WITH THE TEA PARTY BUSINESS.

LIKE I FUCKING WELL SAID AT THE TIME.

Bloody well should just call myself Jeremiah and be done with it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 22, 2019 05:16 PM (AM1GF)

Go on...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (bcbK8)

554 Your first mistake was listening when Ann Coulter started talking.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (Wd9tm)

555 Gentleman, I've commissioned my wife to bear the USS NeverTrump moniker, - Ready, Willing and Able to take on the seven seas of international coastal pleasure.

Posted by: Cap'n Bill Kristol at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (wxZSX)

556
The Bulwark Commandos, clad in the blackest SPANX (which are filled to the point of nearly bursting), fan out to accomplish their mission.

Posted by: Mighty Morphin' Bulwark Rangers, assemble! at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (Vbw7/)

557
That's just making them up at random off the top of my head, not even trying.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

Chito Jose Gonzalez Bustamonte Rafferty

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0552955

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (aKsyK)

558
Ann Coulter reminds us we're the Democrats' bitches. We don't like that.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 05:19 PM (2Glrq)

She's banged a long list of democrats so who is really the democrats bitch.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (TAmPV)

559 >>It certainly has been an eventful day.

Here's hoping it has a Happy Ending.

Posted by: Robert Kraft at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (Wd9tm)

560 543 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)
Yes. Absolutely.
Maximum suffering.

It wouldn't have worked. Both Senate and House would have overridden the Veto and opened it up, and Trump would have been humiliated and powerless for the rest of his term in office, as the Congressional Rep's joined the Dems for his remaining two years.

It was closer to happening than you may realize.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (Kpl3J)

561 >>It is. Don't sign this poison pill bill , shutdown and tell them not to piss on you and tell you it's rainy and to send you another cleaner bill.

Ok, let's negotiate. I'll even let you be Trump.

Here's my answer. No.

Your move.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (/tuJf)

562 Damn, I hate Twitter.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (4Qd8y)

563 543 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

Yes. Absolutely.

Maximum suffering.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (t3CIe)

Uh, that didn't work for Mr. Gingrich very well back in the day. I dare say it was the Pickett's Charge of the Gingrich rebellion. Rather than firmly consolidating the hold on Washington, the GOP chose a rather politically suicidal charge into Demunist artillery. Let's not do that again.

Put the blame for the shutdown firmly on Smarmy Schumer and Pinko Peelousy. How telegenic are THOSE two?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (ujg0T)

564 The Nevertrumpers and RINOs don't seemm to get it? The "Base" has moved on and is solidly with PDT.

Kinda like Met's fans..totally detached from reality

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (Y+V3r)

565 Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun: "They really should have noticed their power was nil when Jeb!'s polling was at the bottom of the heap for so long..."

Yep. Giant red flag. And they not only missed it, I think they pretty much used it to lead a parade.

That was a spectacular failure. The legacy figure of the GOPe with all the advisors and advertising and infrastructure money could buy and he came in tied for last among about twelve others. Horrid performance.

And those idiots missed it.

It's like their only platform has been, for decades, "We really don't do anything. We're just not-Democrats in name. So, when you get tired of them, try us for a bit. The 'change' will make you feel better even though Statism is our middle name, too."

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (6eEQ+)

566 Scott Hahn is a very interesting dude

Ugh.

He grinds down theology into chicken fried steak. I literally cringe when anyone mentions him. His story is good, but he makes my teeth ache.

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (nRWPy)

567 > Teo Callaghan

Manolo O'Toole. Aka the guy who does Beto's wife.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (0OWcv)

568 558 The "Republican" governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, is getting Strange
New Respect among the Left for mooting a primary challenge against DJT."

Yeah, I'm sure Maryland elected a strong, principled conservative. That's the way they roll there. Just like Mitt and Massachusetts.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (d6Ksn)

569 Yea, so in this vein, Schultz's independent run is going to be really interesting (and needs to be supported in mass by our side so he makes it to the General in 2020). Don't get me wrong, he's still insane by conservative standards, but from liberal ones, he's quite to the left of the old Moderate Democrat clan, and yet, he's hard right to the entire Progressive candidate field. IF there is a faction of the Democrat party that IS turned off by the Progressive movement, then Schultz will be their guy. Will be very interesting to see what his numbers look like. If he can maintain 10% or more through campaign season, then we'll know that there still exists moderates in the Democrat party.
Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 05:22 PM (db5dt)
+++++++++++
Maybe. Schultz could take away a lot of 2016's *reluctant* Trump vote. Schultz on the ballot is high-risk to both party-backed candidates. The gamble comes down to "are there more disenchanted Dems than reluctant Trumpers?"

I don't know the answer to that question.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (I2dne)

570 Screwed Bill Maher. Her "common sense" is questionable.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Y5LDn)

--Using that yardstick, how many of us here have any common sense?

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (e7oj4)

571 558 The "Republican" governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, is getting Strange
New Respect among the Left for mooting a primary challenge against DJT.

Fuck off, Larry.
Posted by: mikeyG at February 22, 2019 05:23 PM (LL1Be)

Trump should post a video on twitter of John Goodman going Roadhouse on a red sports car with a baseball bat, screaming, "You see what happens Larry! *smash* You see what happens when you fuck with a stranger? *crash* HUH? *smash*"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:26 PM (Ct55T)

572
Buncha Peggy Noonans in here.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 22, 2019 05:26 PM (2Glrq)

573 When your girlfriend lives as a toddler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-0bhw1AZdU

Posted by: Off the reservation at February 22, 2019 05:26 PM (vWMNq)

574 Trump made his point about the border, proved Congress was not going to help and is now doing it on his own. The wall is the prize, eyes on the prize. If he gets the wall nobody and I mean nobody is going to give a shit about the bill he signed.

Or Ann.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

I agree. The wall is being built as we speak. It won't be complete and won't be finished in 2 years, but it is better than what we had, which was bupkis.

Thanks to Ryan. I can't believe he and his ilk wasted 2 years of our lives, although Collins, McCain et al deserve scorn too.

Posted by: Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, and lots more! at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (o4zZv)

575 >>--Using that yardstick, how many of us here have any common sense?

I don't know about you, but I have never slept with Bill Maher.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (Wd9tm)

576 Screwed Bill Maher. Her "common sense" is questionable.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Y5LDn)

--Using that yardstick, how many of us here have any common sense?
Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (e7oj4)

I don't bang Leftist scum no matter how hot they are.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (t3CIe)

577 Maybe. Schultz could take away a lot of 2016's *reluctant* Trump vote. Schultz on the ballot is high-risk to both party-backed candidates. The gamble comes down to "are there more disenchanted Dems than reluctant Trumpers?"

I don't know the answer to that question.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (I2dne)

Mr Coffee would hurt the Dems much more than PDT. And if Mr. Coffee runs, someone like Katshit will also run, but even someone like him, will hurt the Dems more. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (Y+V3r)

578 The Junior Partners voted out the Managing Partners. Now they're trying to take back control, but rather than make an argument for their case they've waged full on civil war agains those whit whom they were in partnership. They care nothing about the colateral dmage they cause.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (hbFlw)

579 Schultz won't run.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (aKsyK)

580 Heh New Jersey passed a law that says Trump cannot be on the ballot if he doesn't show his tax returns. Now this is an obnoxious precedent, but I doubt it can possibly survive court challenge.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (39g3+)
+++++++++++
Surprise!

Posted by: Hawaii Judge at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (I2dne)

581 559 Ann was solidly behind Trump from the get-go, leading the charge.

That gives her cred when she criticizes him.
Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:23 PM (e7oj4)

I think Ann is like Michael Savage. Both have their hearts in the right place, but are prone to running around with head on fire histronics.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (ujg0T)

582 Not true,most people here have been sick of Coulter's bullshit for years.She is a bombthrower out to sell her books,that's it.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (BXMxN)

583 --Using that yardstick, how many of us here have any common sense?"

Well you may have screwed Bill Maher, but I sure as hell didn't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (Kpl3J)

584 He grinds down theology into chicken fried steak. I literally cringe when anyone mentions him. His story is good, but he makes my teeth ache.
Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (nRWPy)

--He is, to be sure, beginner level.

Cardinal Newman and Gerard Manley Hopkins, he is not.

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (e7oj4)

585 Uh, that didn't work for Mr. Gingrich very well back in the day.

According to Clinton insiders, he was just about to give in when Gingrich caved. So it would have worked, but he gave up too soon.

None of us can predict the future or know what would have happened but I find it extremely unlikely that there would have been a veto overrule, and if there was then Trump can say "I tried to stop this crap, but the representatives of the people have spoken, so I'll do the best with it that I can."

Instead he just signed it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (39g3+)

586 I don't know about you, but I have never slept with Bill Maher.
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (Wd9tm)

So then, you never saw what is written on the Stalls along the NJ Turnpike then?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (Y+V3r)

587 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
---
Why not?

No one in it does anything useful.

Posted by: Britain at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (kOpft)

588 Schultz could take away a lot of 2016's *reluctant*
Trump vote. Schultz on the ballot is high-risk to both party-backed
candidates. The gamble comes down to "are there more disenchanted Dems
than reluctant Trumpers?"

I don't know the answer to that question.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (I2dne)

Some, maybe. He seems primarily aimed at the Nevertrump right, which were never Trump, by definition. Otherwise, I hear about 10x more reluctant-Trump-2016-now-happy-Trump-2020 than the reverse.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (t6MX/)

589 I'm just very protective of Trump.... he's all we have got. Without him in office, doing what he can, can you imagine what our situation would be.

BUT.... I said same thing, essentially about W, so...

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (DpEis)

590 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:06 PM

This! It was clear that the DOPe knives were coming out for Cruz as soon as (before?) he announced his run. The first few attacks on Trump were nearly laughable because they had clearly been intended for Cruz but Trump swept in with such a bang that they *had* to just throw whatever they had at him. I preferred Cruz, but it was clear the DOPe would do everything in their power to deny him the nomination (and let's be honest, he just didn't "take" with other voters) so I was quite happy to see Trump take Jeb's precious away from him.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (uquGJ)

591 Ann is not hot - whoever said that. She a skeletonized skin bag.

Posted by: Archer at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (gmo/4)

592 Brazil is also trying to get aid to Venezuela as they know that will be inundated. Read that Maduro's army has shot a few people already.
Posted by: Cheri

Brazil's border with Venezuela is a sieve. Brazil could walk across with an army and Maduro wouldn't know for a couple of days.

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (25Dt7)

593 579
Screwed Bill Maher. Her "common sense" is questionable.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Y5LDn)

--Using that yardstick, how many of us here have any common sense?

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (e7oj4)

Tell us more

Posted by: Shep at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (vWMNq)

594 Coulter has never proffered an opinion that isn't widely held and simultaneously proffered elsewhere.

She's a Political Celebrity. That's about it.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (Wd9tm)

595 Dude ... she'll be hotter than a firecracker here the next time she says something nice.

She's NEVER been hotter than a firecracker to me. Ever. Sometimes she'd agree with me and I'd nod but I've never, ever been a fan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:29 PM (39g3+)

596 The NT goal is money in their pockets from political sources and gop donators. Its it, and that's that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2019 05:29 PM (r+sAi)

597 He grinds down theology into chicken fried steak. I literally cringe when anyone mentions him. His story is good, but he makes my teeth ache.
Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (nRWPy)

True, but when you start out not knowing shit about theology and are naturally antagonistic to theism, ground up chicken fried steak can be a decent delivery vehicle to open the conversation and allow the possibility that there's more to Faith than some douchebag with an accoustic guitar playing bad music, or some asshole in a suit squinting his eyeballs out and simpering about sweet cash money for Jayzusss.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:29 PM (Ct55T)

598 585 >>--Using that yardstick, how many of us here have any common sense?

I don't know about you, but I have never slept with Bill Maher.
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:27 PM (Wd9tm)

[Looks down at shoes] Well, we were drunk, and it was late and we were both young and lonely and...

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 22, 2019 05:29 PM (RD7QR)

599 43 So that's the solution? Close the federal government forever?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:13 PM (/tuJf)

Yes. Absolutely.

Maximum suffering.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:20 PM (t3CIe)

Uh, that didn't work for Mr. Gingrich very well back in the day. I dare say it was the Pickett's Charge of the Gingrich rebellion. Rather than firmly consolidating the hold on Washington, the GOP chose a rather politically suicidal charge into Demunist artillery. Let's not do that again.

Put the blame for the shutdown firmly on Smarmy Schumer and Pinko Peelousy. How telegenic are THOSE two?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (ujg0T)

Gingrich wasn't the President, and this isn't the 90's. We're at war now.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:29 PM (t3CIe)

600 >>So then, you never saw what is written on the Stalls along the NJ Turnpike then?

What do I look like, some $50 tosser?

I worked the NYS Thruway. A classy road. With curbs.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (Wd9tm)

601 Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:24 PM (/tuJf

You're being silly but okay. I will decare a National emergency and build the wall .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (auUHv)

602 579 Screwed Bill Maher. Her "common sense" is questionable.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2019 05:21 PM (Y5LDn)

--Using that yardstick, how many of us here have any common sense?
Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (e7oj4)

Conservative Fame-Whore v1.0

When we start fucking for face-time, I'll tip my hat to ya.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (77G+m)

603 I think Ann is like Michael Savage. Both have their hearts in the right place, but are prone to running around with head on fire histronics.

I think she's exactly like Michael Savage: neither one believes half of what they say, but are willing to cash in on credulous right wingers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (39g3+)

604 Some, maybe. He seems primarily aimed at the Nevertrump right, which were never Trump, by definition. Otherwise, I hear about 10x more reluctant-Trump-2016-now-happy-Trump-2020 than the reverse.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (t6MX/)
+++++++++++++
I hope that holds up. I know many people who reluctantly voted for Trump who are waiting to see who the Dems nominate before decided whether to pull the lever again. Then again, I am in now-blue CO, so normal parts of the country are hopefully different.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (I2dne)

605 574 Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun: "They really should have noticed their power was nil when Jeb!'s polling was at the bottom of the heap for so long..."
------

Or, how about when Romney became the GOP nominee by default back in 2012? If I recall correctly, every single GOP candidate in that field, including Herman Cain, got a chance from the base but that ultimately resulted in allowing Romney to cross the finish line because the base spread their support thinly among everyone else. Should have been a massive red flag during the Primary, and then Romney getting slaughtered in the general left no room for doubt. Same with McCain before, and the base reception of Sarah Palin over the top of that ticket.

Warning signs have been there forever. In fact, the first warning sign was probably the base's response to George Bush's 2nd term "comprehensive amnesty" boondoggle. Remember that? The base melted down the Congressional phone lines. That was the moment the break first became obviously apparent.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (db5dt)

606
1. Cut your own throat
2. ???
3. Profit!

Posted by: ArthurK at February 22, 2019 05:31 PM (wTfoB)

607 I would still have sex with Ann Coulter.

I'm not sure I trust her anymore, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 22, 2019 05:31 PM (bcbK8)

608 What do I look like, some $50 tosser?

I worked the NYS Thruway. A classy road. With curbs.
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (Wd9tm)

Touche. LOL
Well played

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:31 PM (Y+V3r)

609 What's our plan? Hope.

Posted by: Billy Cruise-man Kristol at February 22, 2019 05:31 PM (AMIL/)

610 Said it all along, the only friends President Trump has is us right here. No one else.

Posted by: Eromero at February 22, 2019 05:32 PM (zLDYs)

611 Vegas already has odds for the 2020 race.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 05:32 PM (eBJ9w)

612 Brazil's border with Venezuela is a sieve. Brazil could walk across with an army and Maduro wouldn't know for a couple of days."

Agreed - I looked at maps of the topography just for fun. Brazil, with no more than division strength, could easily take everything up to the Orinoco in less than a week. Geographically, that's half the country. There's only 2 major north-south roads in the whole region. Hold those, you hold the whole thing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:32 PM (Kpl3J)

613 >> I would still have sex with Ann Coulter.

Xylophone Solo!

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:32 PM (Wd9tm)

614 Gingrich wasn't the President, and this isn't the 90's. We're at war now.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:29 PM (t3CIe)

--Amen

Posted by: logprof at February 22, 2019 05:33 PM (e7oj4)

615 I would still have sex with Ann Coulter.

Yeah but what woman would you NOT have sex with? I am honestly half convinced Ann is packin a weenie though. Wear catcher's padding and hope for the best, I suppose.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:33 PM (39g3+)

616 623 >> I would still have sex with Ann Coulter.

Xylophone Solo!
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:32 PM (Wd9tm)

So funky, makes me want dance, 60's style!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 22, 2019 05:33 PM (bcbK8)

617 Vegas already has odds for the 2020 race.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 05:32 PM (eBJ9w)
++++++++++
Seems premature. The Dem side of the field isn't even remotely populated yet. I'll be in LV in a few weeks, though. Maybe I'll lay a wager.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:33 PM (I2dne)

618 Ann is a windsock, flapping in the breeze.

She can say what she wants, she can do what she wants, she can fuck who she wants. Who cares? She ain't blowing me.

Posted by: Fritz at February 22, 2019 05:34 PM (wxZSX)

619 617 I would still have sex with Ann Coulter.

I'm not sure I trust her anymore, though."

Seriously, I met her in person once. Skeletor with a blonde wig. She's about as "sexy" as RBG.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:34 PM (Kpl3J)

620 so I was quite happy to see Trump take Jeb's precious away from him.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 22, 2019 05:28 PM (uquGJ)

"You're at 3 i'm at 30."

That's when my bromance started.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:34 PM (t3CIe)

621 627 Vegas already has odds for the 2020 race.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 05:32 PM (eBJ9w)
++++++++++
Seems premature. The Dem side of the field isn't even remotely populated yet. I'll be in LV in a few weeks, though. Maybe I'll lay a wager.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:33 PM (I2dne)

China probably has odds on the 2060 race.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:34 PM (Ct55T)

622 Then again, I am in now-blue CO, so normal parts of the country are hopefully different.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (I2dne)

I am now in red area of blue state. But that obsrrvation is more a summary of local and Internet experience. But I don't hang out in the cuckshack.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 05:34 PM (t6MX/)

623 >>You're being silly but okay. I will decare a National emergency and build the wall

I'm really not. I'm putting you in the same position Trump was in.

He's not omnipotent. He still has to deal with the reality of a divided government and can't force them to do what he wants at every turn. He had no leverage to make them change their position. They had a better hand in that negotiation.

Trump is a pretty good negotiator. That's why he's a billionaire and also why he is taking on China and North Korea and the EU and NAFTA and NATO and having more success than all his recent predecessors combined.

But sometimes you just don't have the cards and you have to play a longer game. And he is. He wants the wall not to win a shutdown negotiation with Chuck and Nancy.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2019 05:34 PM (/tuJf)

624 Uh, that didn't work for Mr. Gingrich very well back in the day. I dare say it was the Pickett's Charge of the Gingrich rebellion. Rather than firmly consolidating the hold on Washington, the GOP chose a rather politically suicidal charge into Demunist artillery. Let's not do that again.

Put the blame for the shutdown firmly on Smarmy Schumer and Pinko Peelousy. How telegenic are THOSE two?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (ujg0T)

Suicidal, how? The GOP won the house for the first time in 40 years, then held it until 2006 while implementing spending and welfare reforms and taking back the White House against the VP of a popular administration.

If Bush, et al were that "suicidal" we'd been great fucking shape right now.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at February 22, 2019 05:35 PM (77G+m)

625 Sex with Ann Coulter would be like sticking your dick in a bag of antlers.

No thanks.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 22, 2019 05:35 PM (nDe2U)

626 "You're at 3 i'm at 30."

That's when my bromance started.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:34 PM (t3CIe)

High floor, low ceilings, nevertrump criwed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 05:35 PM (t6MX/)

627 Crowed

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (t6MX/)

628 The wall is the prize, eyes on the prize
--
The wall isn't *the* prize, it's a step along the way of removing the illegal alien population that props up the democrats with their votes and drains resources that should be going to actual Americans (and I don't mean to support welfare, just talking about the general economic consequence of their presence). That population cannot be reduced to 0 until it first stops increasing, much like the national debt.

Posted by: Methos at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (kOpft)

629 It still comes back to "the GOP thinks their base is stupid, the Democrats think their base is crazy".

Posted by: JEM at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (8erNz)

630 "xylophone solo" LOL!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (Kpl3J)

631 Uh, that didn't work for Mr. Gingrich very well back in the day. I dare say it was the Pickett's Charge of the Gingrich rebellion. Rather than firmly consolidating the hold on Washington, the GOP chose a rather politically suicidal charge into Demunist artillery. Let's not do that again.

Put the blame for the shutdown firmly on Smarmy Schumer and Pinko Peelousy. How telegenic are THOSE two?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (ujg0T)

Gingrich wasn't the President, and this isn't the 90's. We're at war now.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:29 PM (t3CIe)

Sorry, but enough of the Crying National Park Sleigh Ride guys and even The Donald would fold.

Using National Defense emergencies to get the wall built was probably the best way to go, although again, Smarmy Schumer and Pinko Peelousy are actually preventing MORE Fed employees from having jobs.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (ujg0T)

632 Joe Mannix ,la is the leader of the dem pack at 8to1.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (eBJ9w)

633 The Fredocons never had occasion to understand the concept of "fragging".

This is when your troops are tired of being shot to shit because you don't know what you're doing and refuse to listen to anyone else but you aren't in the front line so it doesn't matter to you.

Eventually someone sees one too many buddy get killed because of your stupidity and plants a grenade in your tent or fires a few shots at you when you happen to visit the front line.

Happens all the time and usually the higher ups let it go because it's tough to prove if the fragger is smart and usually they have to acknowledge that the fragger is correct and did the military a favor. Plus they don't want to advertise how easy it is to take down commanders.

If they understood that they'd understand what happened to them.

Posted by: jakee308 at February 22, 2019 05:37 PM (D4OO0)

634 It's all so confusing.....but Ann is definitely packing a hog leg.

Time for her to do a sex tape.

Beer 30 coming up.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 22, 2019 05:37 PM (Z+IKu)

635 Machado: I liked the Padres game plan

BULLSHIT, Fuck you

YOU like their 325 Million asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2019 05:38 PM (Y+V3r)

636 >>I'm sitting in a bar in Argentina right now.

I hope your hair is perfect.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2019 05:38 PM (Wd9tm)

637 The wall is a shiny object. Trump has to do it because of his campaign, but the prize is election reform. With that, 90% of the Democrat strategy with immigration goes away.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:38 PM (39g3+)

638 Joe Mannix ,la is the leader of the dem pack at 8to1.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (eBJ9w)
++++++++++
Is "la" Kamala Harris? If so, I think Harris is beatable - but only just. She could win it. A woman, reasonably good looking for a Washington chick, darker-than-white, and a radical pinko.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 22, 2019 05:38 PM (I2dne)

639 I think few us us think that Trump does " not" want a wall, and is just playing us..... a sense that I myself am not used to in those on "our" side...

Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:38 PM (DpEis)

640 Joe Mannix ,la is the leader of the dem pack at 8to1.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 22, 2019 05:36 PM (eBJ9w)

--------

So far, that's pretty much in line with my odds.

But if Manticore Michelle jumps in, I put it at 30-1 for her.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 22, 2019 05:39 PM (AzW6q)

641 Ugh. I've heard in passing a couple TV nitwits correct themselves in a panic, while saying something or other about Kamala Harris.

"So, Ka-MAH-la... oh oh oh, good heavens! Sorry, KAH-ma-la"...

Which is why I steadfastly insist on pronouncing it the first way now.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 22, 2019 05:39 PM (Ct55T)

642 Warning signs have been there forever. In fact, the first warning sign was probably the base's response to George Bush's 2nd term "comprehensive amnesty" boondoggle. Remember that? The base melted down the Congressional phone lines. That was the moment the break first became obviously apparent.
Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 05:30 PM (db5dt)

THIS. It was the Comprehensive Scamnesty, NOT the Iraq War, that caused Dubya's approval ratings to tank, although the latter did not help either.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:39 PM (ujg0T)

643 Semi-nood.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 22, 2019 05:39 PM (4e+hS)

644 >>>YOU like their 325 Million asshole

Mine is about three fifty.

Posted by: Hope Solo at February 22, 2019 05:40 PM (u8vU5)

645 Half Nood Brit Hume

Posted by: Shep at February 22, 2019 05:40 PM (vWMNq)

646 647 >>I'm sitting in a bar in Argentina right now.

I hope your hair is perfect."

I wish I was standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona.

Although I think I'd be pretty cold if I were.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 22, 2019 05:40 PM (Kpl3J)

647 Ha. Daily Mail has a bunch of pictures of people showing up at the FL "massage parlor" taking funny selfies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2019 05:40 PM (r+sAi)

648 Sorry, but I'm with Ann.

You misspelled "Her".

Posted by: mikeyG at February 22, 2019 05:40 PM (LL1Be)

649 What nood?

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at February 22, 2019 05:40 PM (t3CIe)

650 One big difference between Dems and GOP are things like the GOP base's loud and proud opposition to so many things done by the GOPe.

When was the last time you saw the Dem base take on the Progressive leadership on literally ANYTHING?

I mean, if reparations, 70% tax rate, outlawing of carbon, killing babies and converting our government system to socialism doesn't earn the leadership some push back, what's going to? This is why I'm interested in seeing if the Moderate Dems still exist. It could very well be that the Mod Dems are just terrified about speaking out, given how the Progressives wage scorched earth destruction against the GOP. Or, the entire Democrat party could be lost to the Progressive movement. We KNOW that's mostly true, but we don't know if there are enough Mods to move the electoral needle. But now that the Progressives 2020 candidates are actually putting their policy goals on paper, we'll see. 2018 Mid Terms was clearly Never Trump, and completely policy free. Not so with 2020 Presidential.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at February 22, 2019 05:40 PM (db5dt)

651 634 Uh, that didn't work for Mr. Gingrich very well back in the day. I dare say it was the Pickett's Charge of the Gingrich rebellion. Rather than firmly consolidating the hold on Washington, the GOP chose a rather politically suicidal charge into Demunist artillery. Let's not do that again.

Put the blame for the shutdown firmly on Smarmy Schumer and Pinko Peelousy. How telegenic are THOSE two?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:25 PM (ujg0T)

Suicidal, how? The GOP won the house for the first time in 40 years, then held it until 2006 while implementing spending and welfare reforms and taking back the White House against the VP of a popular administration.

If Bush, et al were that "suicidal" we'd been great fucking shape right now.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve at February 22, 2019 05:35 PM (77G+m)

I think a better move by Gingrich could have even made Billy Jeff a one termer.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:41 PM (ujg0T)

652 I'd happily bang a 30 year old Ann Coulter. A 58 year old Coulter not so much. Didn't age very well.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:41 PM (auUHv)

653 648 The wall is a shiny object. Trump has to do it because of his campaign, but the prize is election reform. With that, 90% of the Democrat strategy with immigration goes away.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2019 05:38 PM (39g3+)

The wall is not a shiny object. The wall is step one demonstrating that there is some actual seriousness in stopping illegals and not just the standard lip service.

Posted by: buzzion at February 22, 2019 05:41 PM (cAnNx)

654 NOOD

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 22, 2019 05:41 PM (4e+hS)

655 Any trolls about ?

Posted by: REDACTED at February 22, 2019 05:43 PM (RZ6R1)

656 Bottom line is Trump should have gone full force for the Wall the day after he was inaugurated. That he waited until we lost the House is.....stop before I go Coulter .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:43 PM (auUHv)

657 I thought the end game was a cruise on The Good Ship Circle Jerk.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 22, 2019 05:44 PM (9oE3U)

658 One need not even argue about who has power and who doesn't: "power dynamics" play out naturally and inevitably, whether or not they are discussed or acknowledged.

"NeverTrumpers" is just a euphemism for old-timer liberals who have been in Conservative Drag for 60 years, while they chuckle at the rubes fools marching in the parade behind them -- as the old-tkmers give beejers to their fellow Deep State Cocktail Party Liberals.

Those human intestines are now "out" of power, for the first time in their lives. And they're so unused to this stae of affairs that they refuse to accept that it is real and has already happened.

Oh, but it is real, my friends. Despite the delusions of the old Drag Queens, the juggernaut of political reality has rolled on and left them behind, flattened in the mud.

Posted by: zombie at February 22, 2019 05:46 PM (c+2jX)

659 How can you have a half-nood?

I'll just go see myself

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2019 05:47 PM (/rm4P)

660
I don't bang Leftist scum no matter how hot they are.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy

You don't have to give them your real name.

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2019 05:47 PM (25Dt7)

661 656 Bottom line is Trump should have gone full force for the Wall the day after he was inaugurated. That he waited until we lost the House is.....stop before I go Coulter .
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 22, 2019 05:43 PM (auUHv)

Blame Paul Ryno for that, and Yertle the Turtle did not help either.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 22, 2019 05:48 PM (ujg0T)

662 659 How can you have a half-nood?

I'll just go see myself
Posted by: Skip

Side-nood.

Posted by: zombie at February 22, 2019 05:49 PM (c+2jX)

663 RichardWindsor: "Warning signs have been there forever. In fact, the first warning sign was probably the base's response to George Bush's 2nd term 'comprehensive amnesty' boondoggle. Remember that? The base melted down the Congressional phone lines. That was the moment the break first became obviously apparent."

Yes, there have been signs and there have been SIGNS. The collapse of the third Bush should have even shocked them into reality. It didn't. Or maybe it did but they couldn't afford to abandon what is most central to their being.

So yes, again, the comprehensive amnesty in any of its manifestations post-Reagan were the first signs of anti-MAGA. It's been the wedge for decades in Conservatism and it's been coincidentally clear that the CoC and Transnational Business runs the GOPe as a quasi-fascist organization. Synchronous and cooperative integration of big government, big business, and the legislation to match.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 22, 2019 05:54 PM (6eEQ+)

664 Posted by: kraken at February 22, 2019 05:18 PM (DpEis)

She turned into a fucking weirdo.

Posted by: thathalfrican - GOOD at February 22, 2019 05:57 PM (W2J+a)

665 Of course it's all about power, because that's how TrumpWorld views everything. Principles are a foreign concept.

Posted by: Ban Dongino at February 22, 2019 06:10 PM (mwfMd)

666 Sorry, you misspelled "whore".

Posted by: andycanuck at February 22, 2019 06:25 PM (Dh1wo)

667 I think that if the Establishment had taken your advice in 2016 and agreed to power-sharing, they would not have perforce become the "junior partners". They still would have been the Honored Elders of the party, treated with respect, and regarded as Veterans of Past Wars. Conservatism naturally wants to keep its ties to the past, so yielding with grace would have preserved their position in the party as respected icons.

But they were too haughty to admit any lower-class interlopers into their magic circle, and were determined to hang on to every single scrap of power and privilege. Which resulted in them losing it all.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at February 22, 2019 06:52 PM (bMaeG)

668 It's not the Country, or even the party Nichols is talking about "saving", but the ruling status of the think tank set. We of the subaltern see that clearly.

One of the most annoying things about our former betters is their pathetic attempts to ascribe to virtue what is obviously self serving.

I'd vote for Bernie before a GOPe Candidate.

Posted by: Quilp at February 22, 2019 07:38 PM (Bf3hj)

669 "Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2019 04:37 PM (ykYG2)"

As you know, the Republican "leadership" in Colorado and about half the Colorado Republican Federal elected officials supported Hillary. Down here in southern Colorado, we had a visit by a party big-wig to our January county TEA Party meeting. His argument was that politics moves in cycles and it was pointless to oppose the Democrats for another 20 years. It did not go over well. I am surprised he got out alive as it is our custom to open carry at meetings.

What was interesting is that our county Republican Women chair, who normally is pure party line tore into him as hard as the rest of us.

Our state Republican Party has achieved NT heaven. Gay, Socialist Governor from Boulder, both Houses of the Legislature in Socialist hands, and the Republicans reduced to a kept pretend opposition.

Deplorable Party anyone?

Subotai Bahadur

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at February 22, 2019 07:58 PM (3stjn)

670 The Demo-Rats are planing to get the votes back from the Coal Mining States.

Posted by: RobertL at February 22, 2019 08:25 PM (DmEPJ)

671 You probably heard about new British reggae sensation Ava Leigh through some online buzz
or by your friends. You went online and have seen the video of her single, "Mad About The Boy." You'll be able to saw another summer collection advertisement, which features Leigh on vocals for "Mas Que Nada." Googling her
name will have definitely led for you to definitely her MySpace account, which features a few more of her songs, and in order to handful
of articles about her. You're trying to obtain to know her
more, but other than the plainly obvious idea that she
sings very well, you can't understand the rest of the hype.

Zane: It was kind of to help support a west coast tour, this had something to trade on the
direction to make of course money. It was not something really almost wanted
to be removed to boost the comfort. It was right at the forming of Carney.
Reeve and I have been playing together for a while, but Carney decided
not to form until 2007.

Zane: We did some recordings, released an EP, some
demos you can call. We toured these songs an excellent deal so we were treated
to a long time, and produced it ourselves. Loads of interesting things happening that are
rare not just for occasion artists, however additionally on a
critical label like Interscope with letting us produce
it's. A lot of that has to enjoy with quantity of money of touring we have done, therefore we really
know these songs and are deeply involved with the recording process because of that.

Jeff - There is tons of talent from Ohio especially actors and
actresses. You will find lots of talented individuals in Ohio.
I do think there is certainly not else to attempt to do.
I mean you watch TV all time and you listen to the radio

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