Sunday Morning Book Thread 11-18-2018

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, and everybody who's holding your beer. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, and publishing by people who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these (mildly NSFW) pants, a woefully misguided attempt at sexual liberation, but this was the 70s and everyone was messed up on drugs and also Eldridge Cleaver was a nut case even back then (h/t Hank Curmudgeon).

Pic Note

This pic has been on my hard drive for over a year and I forget where I got it from. Is it a still from some movie or TV show? I had to lighten it up a bit because the original is so dark, it's kind of hard to see. At least for my old eyes it is.

It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

A COCKMADAW is a pompous, conceited little man.

PUSSIVANTING is making a great fuss over nothing; making an ineffectual commotion.

Usage: And when you cross a cockmadaw with a pussivanter, you get Michael "Slappy" Avenatti.

I remember some years ago when we went on vacation back east to visit Mrs. Muse's family. We spent one day at the home of her younger sister. It was a nice day, so we all were outside at the pool. The conversation turned into a discussion of family issues and memories and reminiscences that I knew nothing about. Bored, I went back into the house, looking for something to do. I thought, maybe I could grab something to read, to pass the time. So I went into the living room, but there wasn't a bookcase, nor any books lying on any of the couches. Then I went into the family room. No books. But there was a big-screen TV with a game console, in fact, there was a TV in almost every room of the house, but no books. Not even an old Reader's Digest in the bathroom. A couple of the TVs were on and blaring sound, even though we had all gone outside, so I switched them off. It's one of my pet peeves. Why is the TV on if no one is watching? Anyway, I was disappointed that I couldn't find anything to read, so I just gave up and went back outside. I just couldn't imagine a house without books. And even harder not to get all snooty about it.

Moron Recommendations

242 I've been reading Lumen by Ben Pastor (a pseudonym of Maria Verbena Volpi). Our hero, Martin Bora, is a young captain in German army intelligence in Poland during the very early days of WWII. He's not so much anti-Nazi as he is apathetic, much as he is not so much Catholic as apathetic. He's seen some bad stuff during the invasion but but this is, after all, war and will soon be over. The true depravity of Nazism has not revealed itself and Bora hopes to simply be left alone while he performs the honorable profession of an officer in the military.

All is well and good until a Polish abbess thought to be a saint who has stigmata, performs miracles, and prophesizes the future is murdered in her convent. Bora is the natural choice to investigate being Catholic and multilingual. He doesn't think much of her prophecies given that she had said that in five years, in 1944, Warsaw will be in flames when clearly the war will be long over by then. Still, she did prophesize that conquerors bearing flags with crosses would come from the west and be led by Round City (Rundstedt) and Ram (Bock) so she's not always wrong. She had prophesied that she would be killed through her name which may refer to the Latin motto she was obsessed with, Lumen Christi Adiuva Nos (Light of Christ, Succor Us). Absent any other leads, Bora follows this prophecy...

I'm quite enjoying this book but I'm a sucker for misunderstood prophecies like those of the witches in Macbeth. I hope the ending lives up to my expectations. This is a well written book filled with realistic characters set in an extraordinary time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 11:36 AM (+y/Ru)

You can get Lumen (Martin Bora Book 1) on Kindle for $6.67. Also available in hardcover and paperback.

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56 Per moron recommendation, I read Jon Ronson's book "The Psychopath Test". It delves into the world of psychiatry and mental health. Lot of scary stuff in it that will have you shaking your head in disbelief, such as: in England, if they think you are crazy but can be cured, they can hold you in a psych facility/prison until someone signs off on you being sane enough to return to society, but if you are deemed un-curable, then you serve time for whatever crime you commit and then are released back out into the public.

Just started Tucker Carlson's "Ship of Fools". I'm about half way through it. He really reams everyone's favorite cruise director, Bill Kristol.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 11, 2018 09:28 AM (p0nVR)

The Amazon blurb for The Psychopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry describes it as

...a fascinating journey through the minds of madness. Jon Ronson's exploration of a potential hoax being played on the world's top neurologists takes him, unexpectedly, into the heart of the madness industry. An influential psychologist who is convinced that many important CEOs and politicians are, in fact, psychopaths teaches Ronson how to spot these high-flying individuals by looking out for little telltale verbal and nonverbal clues. And so Ronson, armed with his new psychopath-spotting abilities, enters the corridors of power. He spends time with a death-squad leader institutionalized for mortgage fraud in Coxsackie, New York; a legendary CEO whose psychopathy has been speculated about in the press; and a patient in an asylum for the criminally insane who insists he's sane and certainly not a psychopath.

The power of indefinite incarceration Darth Randall mentions that the British Government gives to its psychiatric institutions is not something that happened recently. C.S. Lewis was complaining about it over 50 years ago. He argued such an end-run around the standard legal system was inherently unjust and gave too much power to ethically dubious doctors and scientists. In fact, one of the subplots in his novel That Hideous Strength concerned the small band of good guys springing from prison the husband of one of its members who had served his sentence, but then had been falsely declared mentally deficient so that he could be used for psychiatric experimentation.

Ship of Fools: How a Selfish Ruling Class Is Bringing America to the Brink of Revolution has some hilarious one-star reviews (like the "independent" who complains about the Koch Bros.) so I'm thinking it's good red meat for conservatives:

The host of Fox News Channel’s Tucker Carlson Tonight offers a blistering critique of the new American ruling class, the elites of both parties, who have taken over the ship of state, leaving the rest of us, the citizen-passengers, to wonder: How do we put the country back on course?

Probably won't convince anyone who isn't already, but I'm thinking it'll be a fun read.

Another Controversial Book

And by "controversial", I mean offensive to the 21st century kultursmog of feminism, progressivism, and marxism. It wouldn't have been controversial 50 (or maybe even 30), years ago but it's controversial now because girl power.

The book is Being There: Why Prioritizing Motherhood in the First Three Years Matter by Erica Komisar.

What did Komisar claim in this seemingly innocuous book that has so traumatized our cultural elites?

That “mothers are biologically necessary for babies.”

She also claimed that a mother provides different benefits to a newborn child than a father, and that the absence of mothers can lead to developmental problems for the child later in life.

Komisar came to these conclusions after treating families for three decades, first as a clinical social worker and then an analyst.

In her practice she dealt with children with psychological and emotional problems:

“What I was seeing was an increase in children being diagnosed with ADHD and an increase in aggression in children, particularly in little boys, and an increase in depression in little girls. More youngsters were also being diagnosed with ‘social disorders’ whose symptoms resembled those of autism—‘having difficulty relating to other children, having difficulty with empathy.’”

She noticed that a common factor in all of these cases was absence of a mother on a daily basis in these children's lives. This WrongThink™ got Komisar's book

...welcomed on Christian radio and Fox & Friends, but shunned by NPR, and covered coldly by Good Morning America, whose interviewer (according to Komisar) told her before going on air, “I don’t believe in the premise of your book at all. I don't like your book.”

I would have liked to have seen that GMA segment. The interviewer probably sat there with her face all pinched wrinkled up like someone was holding a dog end under her nose.

Books By Morons

Longtime lurker River Cat writes:

I've been reading Ace's blog regularly for more than ten years now (just as a lurker), and since you've been noting books by morons, I thought I'd contact you and see if this moron could get a mention. Earlier this year I started a company called Little White Cabin (in Alabama) to publish books and music (my own at first, then when I get some publishing experience, other writers). My first book is a novel called The Book of Cain, available on Amazon in paperback and Kindle.

RC describes his debut novel as a coming-of-age story:

Richard Tyler is a “bad boy.” Seventeen, going on thirty-five. A dangerous predator with extraordinary fighting skills and a record of extreme violence. In a last-ditch effort to keep him out of prison, Doctor Lillian Last is brought in to do what no one else has accomplished. She must peel back the scales and scar tissue of his mysterious past to discover some redemptive goodness under the hard shell of the boy who calls himself “Cain.” It would take a miracle to find the truth. And when that miracle comes, the truth is an earthquake that shakes their world into a new and awesome form.

He's got another one coming out called The Relic: A Christmas Sea Story, which also sounds interesting:

Chickamauga Antietam Charles, otherwise known as Chick, is an old man living in the Safe Haven homeless shelter. Lame and destitute, his only valuables are cached away in a secret pocket of his ancient pea coat. It is Christmas. He awakes to find he has been given a present by a stranger who passed through in the wee hours of the morning when all were asleep, save for one little girl who insists it was Santa. The gift is a lottery ticket. And when it hits, the others want him to share the wealth, but he has only one goal, and it obsesses him to his very marrow. He must go to Spain. To retrieve what was taken from him so many years ago—a theft that made him into the wreck he has been ever since. But to do it he must relive the sea story that started it all.

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Moron lurker Max, another escaped oaf, has asked me to mention his thriller, The Gods Who Walk Among Us:

Adam Azoulay scrapes out a meagre existence as a paparazzo in New York. One night he shoots video of an African president-for-life spending half his country’s GNP on jewelry for his mistress. The next day a non-profit charity run by a rich kid hires him to track down a reclusive human-rights icon who might’ve been in the video. When Adam discovers the icon has an ugly past, he learns that the world of human rights is one of secrets and even murder. The deeper he gets the more he must be stopped.

This novel is available as an ebook on Amazon and is on sale for $0.99 for the month of November.

Heh. On the book's Amazon page, Max says this about himself:

I am not a member of the paparazzi, but the main character in my book is. He's also a NYC lawyer, which I am too.

Walking around the streets of Manhattan, I've had over one hundred celebrity sightings: actors, musicians, even political figures. On a few occasions I may have unavoidably made eye contact, and the look of horror on their faces convinced me that, if worse ever came to worse, I might have a future as a paparazzo. This novel is a chronicle of that imaginary experience.

A couple of the Amazon reviews say this novel really works well as a satire of New York City and its upper-crust glitterati. Sort of like Bonfire of the Vanities meets The Big Sleep.

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Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 09:00 AM

Comments

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1 Tolle lege

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 08:58 AM (6VrXf)

2 It's here!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 08:58 AM (kQs4Y)

3 Well done Skip. I saw the time/space continuum in flux and knew OM was posting the Book Thread.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 08:59 AM (kQs4Y)

4 Good morning my fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 08:59 AM (758Rh)

5 Book Thread and Sunday Baroque on the radio,
on a cold Arizona morning.

Times have been worse...

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 09:01 AM (rgquC)

6 WTFO??

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 09:02 AM (JFO2v)

7 Wow book thread sneaked in on me. What am I re-reading ? Corps series by WEB Griffin.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 18, 2018 09:03 AM (mpXpK)

8 'I just couldn't imagine a house without books.'

If you came to my house I'd have to move some books for you to be able to sit down. You are not coming over wearing those pants though.

Posted by: freaked at November 18, 2018 09:03 AM (UdKB7)

9 Tolle lege

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 08:58 AM (6VrXf)

How do you do that? Your success rate is phenomenal!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 18, 2018 09:04 AM (f3oO4)

10 It’s carbon-dated, but I’m enjoying the old-fashioned can-do pulpiness of Contraband Rocket (1955) by Lee Correy (real name: G. Harry Stine). It feels very free-wheeling, all-American and Heinleinian, and sure enough he and his wife were friends of the Heinleins. Several of Heinlein's books are dedicated one or both of them, most particularly Have Spacesuit – Will Travel. He had free-market Libertarian ideas about space colonization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harry_Stine

He shows the bureaucracy our ragtag team of space nuts has to cut through to make their dream of a privately owned ship a reality. In this imagined future, the United Nations has its nose in everything, and there is a lot of happiness engineering to keep the populace content and complacent. The very notion of space obsession by amateurs is so aspie that professional headshrinkers could swoop in and reprogram them at any moment.

How pulpy is my book? The pages are falling out as I read it, and the spine is crumbling.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:04 AM (kQs4Y)

11 Wait. How in the hell did you get a picture of my library? I never submitted one.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 09:04 AM (sdi6R)

12 Halfway through History of Friedrich II of Prussia, Volume 21

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 09:05 AM (6VrXf)

13
The book is Being There: Why Prioritizing Motherhood in the First Three Years Matter by Erica Komisar.

Everyone understands the concept of 'dog years'. Everyone understands that infant pups shouldn't be separated from their mothers before X number of months.

Anyone wanna do the math for humans? I'd imagine it's within months of three years.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 18, 2018 09:05 AM (e7O7B)

14 Re-read Norman Maclean's 'Young Men and Fire'. Last August driving out west there was so much smoke due to forest fires from Canada to California that at times it was like being in fog. It got me thinking about his book.

August 4, 1949 lightning started a fire a wee bit north of Helena, Montana at Mann Gulch in the Gates of the Mountains Wilderness area. August 5 the US Forest Service dropped 15 Smokejumpers to fight it. 2 hrs after landing 10 Smokejumpers and a forest ranger (a former Smokejumper who was already on the ground) were dead. 2 more Smokejumpers would die the next day from their burns.

The Mann Gulch fire would change the way the Forest Service and Fire Sciences would fight forest fires, but that change was slow. His book is at times gut wrenching, but a very good read.

Virtual Mann Gulch field trip.
http://formontana.net/gulch.html

Some head music.

Mediaeval Baebes - Scarborough Fayre
https://youtu.be/2lTDDf9NoLg

Iggy Pop - The Passenger
https://youtu.be/KMB8B2rFLfA

The Black Ryder - Outside
https://youtu.be/CSa4QLrLd7s

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at November 18, 2018 09:06 AM (vJVIn)

15 Had a note from Voltaire copied from book and Pixy stopped me.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 09:06 AM (6VrXf)

16 Good morning, Cockmadaws!

Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 09:06 AM (sYLo5)

17 I can't imagine living in a home without books. I'm practically living in a home made of books.

Are there kids living there? Without books?! Call CPS.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:07 AM (kQs4Y)

18 Currently reading 'Dreadful Diseases and Terrible Treatments: The Story of Medicine Through the Ages' by Jonathan J. Moore.

This book appeals to my morbid sense of curiosity about history that is seldom written about, nor discussed with polite company, but makes history fun. It's chock full of bizarre cures and treatments. Poop and pee from humans and animals seems to have been quite popular for a lot of conditions, such as hair loss, keeping a youthful appearance, and for use in cosmetics.

False teeth often weren't false but real. After the 1815 Battle of Waterloo so many teeth were taken from the dead it kept the industry in business for decades. These would later be called 'Waterloo Teeth'. Grave robbers, called resurrectionists, and poor street urchins were also a source. The teeth might be used in dentures, or jammed in the hole from a newly pulled tooth which often caused nasty infections and transmitted diseases such as syphilis. Even our Civil War dead had teeth taken.

Doctors/Surgeons/Barbers were often a main cause of death from their lack of cleaning themselves and instruments after procedures. The early 19th century obstetrician Charles Meigs once said; 'Doctors are gentlemen and a gentleman's hands are clean.' Meigs and his peers did a lot of good for medicine, but many would die due to their arrogant ignorance.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at November 18, 2018 09:08 AM (vJVIn)

19 Corps series by WEB Griffin.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 18, 2018 09:03 AM (mpXpK)

WEB Griffin writes the ultra formulaic set of series, yet I have hard copy of almost all of them and he is one of the few authors I have re-read, sometimes more than once.
I read a magazine interview with him years ago (have no idea what mag or when), and he sounded like a great guy to have a beer with!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 18, 2018 09:08 AM (f3oO4)

20 16 Good morning, Cockmadaws!
Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 09:06 AM (sYLo5)

Take a break from yer pussivanting and pull up a chair.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:08 AM (kQs4Y)

21 Prager wonders why there are no Leftist controversy writers, only conservative writers have controversial opinions.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 09:08 AM (6VrXf)

22 C.S. Lewis was complaining about it over 50 years ago. He argued such an end-run around the standard legal system was inherently unjust

I had a British philosophy professor, a WWII vet, who was generally leftish (but not closed minded). But when he got on this subject, he sounded EXACTLY like Lewis.

Lewis, BTW, wrote T S Eliot urging him to write on this, too. I don't know if anything came of it. The two weren't friendly until late in life.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 18, 2018 09:09 AM (VaN/j)

23 This pic has been on my hard drive for over a year and I forget where I got it from.

It's really weird.

Posted by: m at November 18, 2018 09:09 AM (vcxAT)

24 Good morning, all!
Grateful for my Kindle this week, as I had to burn an entire day on jury duty, and much of another getting prescriptions renewed! So - sitting in jury room/waiting rooms, with the Kindle. I went through most of Roy Griffis' Lonesome George series (say - when is the next volume in the series due out?) which is powerful and depressing all at once, as an alternative history. Ironic that Alec Baldwin is a heroic character...
Also, when at home, working my way through a very hagiographic bio of Mary Ann Bickerdyke, who served throughout the Civil War as a nurse and hospital administrator. It seems that although the US Army had doctors, orderlies and hospitals sufficient to serve the tiny pre-war military establishment, such was insufficient for the hugely-expanded Union Army, and the vast number of casualties ... and so civilian bodies and individuals like the Sanitary Commission, and Mrs. Bickerdyke stepped in - pretty heroically, it appears. (All this is research in service to my next historical novel...)

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at November 18, 2018 09:10 AM (xnmPy)

25 I'm reading "When Slappy Met Sloppy" by Ike Ellison and Kato Acosta.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 18, 2018 09:12 AM (Ndje9)

26 Thanks, OM, for the mention. Much appreciated.
So, as to the words of the day: would "pussicock" be the appropriate portmanteau for Mr. Avenatti?
Also, I'm reading 1984 and as I go I find myself comparing Big Brother and his Ingsoc Holding Company to the current Big TransBrother and xer Social Justice League in terms of language use/destruction and fear-mongering. Any of y'all drawn those comparisons? There seem to be some interesting similarities and differences.

Posted by: River Cat at November 18, 2018 09:16 AM (P34JQ)

27 That pic up top - we don't have quite that many books, but it does well display our system of organization of them.

Milady took it upon herself to clean and rearrange the bookshelves, including her kitchen bookshelves. Days of work, lots of dust, lots of stacks on tables while the work went on.

Finally done, she said, I think I've handled every book in the house! Then she remembered the three cardboard boxes, filled with books....

Posted by: mindful webworker - judging by the covers at November 18, 2018 09:17 AM (RmsK9)

28 19
Corps series by WEB Griffin.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 18, 2018 09:03 AM (mpXpK)

WEB Griffin writes the ultra formulaic set of series, yet I have
hard copy of almost all of them and he is one of the few authors I have
re-read, sometimes more than once.

I read a magazine interview with him years ago (have no idea what
mag or when), and he sounded like a great guy to have a beer with!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 18, 2018 09:08 AM (f3oO4)

I have almost all of his but I stopped buying them then he he moved into the SA spy stuff. I even have his Phylly cop stuff.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 18, 2018 09:18 AM (mpXpK)

29 I love that top picture. The quantity seems sufficient but it is a bit neater than my book cave would be.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 09:19 AM (758Rh)

30 The trouble with lifelong book collecting is that eventually they stack up the way they do in the picture. Between the two of us, we more and more often can't find what we're looking for. This is compounded by my ever decreasing ability to move them around.

I'll want to read something, and can't find it. Months later, it surfaces. How does that happen? Are there really book tides in one's library?

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 18, 2018 09:19 AM (VaN/j)

31 Downloaded two Moronworks (Luna City 1 and A Place Called Hope) and one Shelby Foote Civil War this week. Alas, have been pussigallivanting this week.

Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 09:20 AM (sYLo5)

32 'Any of y'all drawn those comparisons?'

With "1984"? Naaah.

Posted by: Guy without a clue at November 18, 2018 09:20 AM (UdKB7)

33 29 I love that top picture. The quantity seems sufficient but it is a bit neater than my book cave would be.
Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 09:19 AM (758Rh)

Needs more dust.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 09:21 AM (sdi6R)

34 That appears to be a book dungeon. You can see light from a tiny window hole. That one guy has wised up and is using books to keep warm.

Posted by: freakd at November 18, 2018 09:23 AM (UdKB7)

35 Finished Tucker Carlson's "Ship of Fools". Definitely worth a read. His take downs of Bill Kristol and Ta-Nehisi Coates brought a smile to my face.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 18, 2018 09:23 AM (p0nVR)

36 Big Brother got charge of Amazon, Google, PayPal, and MasterCard.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2018 09:24 AM (1siNL)

37 Joes dick
https://tinyurl.com/yb7rfcpq

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 09:26 AM (JFO2v)

38 The trouble with lifelong book collecting is that eventually they stack up the way they do in the picture. Between the two of us, we more and more often can't find what we're looking for. This is compounded by my ever decreasing ability to move them around.

I'll want to read something, and can't find it. Months later, it surfaces. How does that happen? Are there really book tides in one's library?
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 18, 2018 09:19 AM (VaN/j)

Posted here before, but relevant:

http://wondermark.com/442

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 09:27 AM (t+qrx)

39 According to Wikipedia, Cleaver died a member of the LDS Church and a conservative of sorts. Seems like an interesting guy.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 09:29 AM (Z216Q)

40 I read The Seven and 1/2 Deaths of Evelyn Hardcastle by Stuart Turton this week. This may be the most convoluted book I have ever read. The author describes this work as a combination of time travel, Agatha Christie and Quantum Leap. If he had thrown in Groundhog Day and Downton Abbey it would be a pretty good description. The narrator comes to himself (or perhaps to somebody else) in the rain in a woods not knowing who he is, where he is, or why he's there. He immediately becomes the earwitness to a murder and seeks to aid the victim and apprehend the killer but the fact that he is wounded and cowardly prevents that. In the first few chapters he learns that he is at a huge but decaying English estate of a decaying aristocratic family who have invited fifty or so of their disreputable guests to a masquerade party on the nineteenth anniversary of the murder of their seven year old son on the night of a ball at the estate with many of the same guests. Further, he learns that he will inhabit the bodies of eight of the guests and servants, one each day for eight days (except they're really all the same day, the day of the murder) and that he is there to solve the murder. (No, not that murder and no, not that murder either, you see, well, it's complicated.) If he fails he will be doomed to repeat the sequence until he succeeds. He's probably already been there a few decades (or at least he would have been if they weren't all the same day).

Now, you may be wondering, who's the bad guy? It's quite simple: all of them. Nobody is who he seems and nothing is as it seems. That's why this is so convoluted. The reader sees many incidents numerous times from different perspectives and with different information and that is confounded by the fact that many witnesses are mistaken or lying.

I'm sure this is not everybody's cup of tea but I loved it. It was one of those books I couldn't put down because I wanted to see what would happen next. And there are plenty of surprises. I love time paradoxes and mysteries so this was right up my alley.

Incidentally, one of the ways I judge a book or movie is by how skillfully the exposition is handled. That is because expositions are often artificial and boring. Here the author begins with an invitation to the masquerade identifying many of the characters and the situation. I'd never seen that before.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 09:30 AM (+y/Ru)

41 32
'Any of y'all drawn those comparisons?'

With "1984"? Naaah.Posted by: Guy without a clue at November 18, 2018 09:20 AM (UdKB7)

The similarities are easy. One of the interesting differences has to do with the whole group-identity, intersectional, diversocratic shame culture that Orwell didn't envision. Or how academia became the kettle where the whole witch's brew is cooked.

Posted by: River Cat at November 18, 2018 09:30 AM (P34JQ)

42 Good Morning Book Thread!

This week, I read Matthew Bracken's Enemies Foreign and Domestic - a great action-adventure thriller about a tyrannical government's attempt to outlaw guns and the inevitabl;e violent reaction to their over reach. The story is very well done, but ended on a bleak note that discouraged me from reading the rest of the series. Too much like real life!

I also read Declan Finn's amazing Hell Spawn (Saint Tommy, NYPD Book 1). Declan has a great formula going here: a combination of an action-packed police procedural with a supernatural thriller featuring a detective who is a literal saint - able to smell evil and invoke divinely inspired powers to triumph over a demon-possessed villain. I highly recommend it.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at November 18, 2018 09:30 AM (1pQvR)

43 Greetings fellow book-lovers!

This week I finished David Horowitz's excellent "Radical Son."

I've been reading him for years in a roundabout way and I was in college when his Heterodoxy paper appeared on the campus news stands. It was a bracing breath of fresh air.

I know other Morons have read it and offered their insights, but one thing I think is critical to emphasize is that everything we are seeing about the left going nuts was known to Horowitz and pointed out in 1997 when he published the book. It's all in there, even the recent Never Trump meltdown.

Horowitz doesn't flinch from self-examination or from looking at the psychology of his fellow Jews, most of whom were entirely secular. To them, politics became their religion, whether on the left or right. That meant that every struggle was existential and therefore beyond normal rational thought.

The passages where he describes questioning the left and people he thought were incisive, bright, fearless thinkers suddenly shut down and refuse to examine their own beliefs when challenged are telling.

He also points out that the left was NEVER about racial integration from the get-go, that was just a stalking horse to distract attention from the Soviet Union's own atrocities. Any time a critic pointed out the Gulag, leftists could say "Jim Crow" and it was treated as a wash.

This why was why the Black Panthers were the "true" representatives of what the left wanted, which was a revolution that would bring down the West once and for all. Only then could the New Man be made.

The only complaint I have is that he gets very personal and hearing about how his marriages came apart is interesting, but also somewhat distracting from what I wanted to know.

Still, it's superbly written and as every bit as relevant as it was in 1997.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:30 AM (cfSRQ)

44 Speaking of W.E.B Griffiths "Corps" series...

I found a pre-war Faibairn-Sykes stilleto at the gun
show this summer for a hundred bucks.

...this doesn't make me Killer McCoy, though.

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 09:32 AM (rgquC)

45

I officially Challenge ALL Democrats to a Fight.

My Pimp Hand is STRONG, even at Christmas time.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 09:33 AM (9lyhM)

46 Re-read Norman Maclean's 'Young Men and Fire'.

I love that book. He pulls off a thing not unlike 'A Perfect Storm', where right in the beginning he introduces you to a cast of attractive young characters and says they're almost all going to die but you go on the journey anyway.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 09:34 AM (fuK7c)

47 'shame culture that Orwell didn't envision.'

That was probably in the prequel.

Posted by: freakd at November 18, 2018 09:34 AM (UdKB7)

48 In authoring news, I'm pushing ahead with my novel about the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. The end of the first draft is in sight and I'm trying to keep this one short and focused. More of a novella, methinks.

Still working on a title for it, though. My original was "Three Weeks with the Coasties: a tale of the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill."

But I don't think that grabs attention. So I'm still working on that part.

Even then, I'll have to submit it to the JAGs so I don't get court-martialed or something. So it may have to wait until I retire before I publish it, but at least it will be done.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:34 AM (cfSRQ)

49 Good Morning Readers!

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Remember, all proceeds go to charities Toys for Tots and Fisher House, and so far we have made contributions totaling $6,500 split evenly between the two. We'd like to make nice donations to them again this season.
Thanks!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 09:35 AM (MVjcR)

50 33 29 I love that top picture. The quantity seems sufficient but it is a bit neater than my book cave would be.
Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 09:19 AM (758Rh)

Needs more dust.
Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 09:21 AM (sdi6R)

Patience. It'll show up soon enough.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 18, 2018 09:36 AM (VaN/j)

51 44
Speaking of W.E.B Griffiths "Corps" series...

I found a pre-war Faibairn-Sykes stilleto at the gun

show this summer for a hundred bucks.

...this doesn't make me Killer McCoy, though.

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 09:32 AM (rgquC)

I would love to have one of those.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 18, 2018 09:36 AM (mpXpK)

52 Morning all from Bob Evans in Maryland

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2018 09:36 AM (nyCAU)

53 Garcon, there's a chess match in my book thread!

j/k

thanks for the book.thread, OM, much content to peruse.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 09:37 AM (XZ3Gp)

54 ' Morning all from Bob Evans in Maryland'

Hi Bob!

Posted by: freakd at November 18, 2018 09:37 AM (UdKB7)

55 About the illustration at top... my French is kinda rusty:

Julie Proust Tanguy est aussi l’animatrice du Blog De Litteris

Je me moque des frontières littéraires et je tords le cou à la fiction. La fiction, c’est cette histoire secrète de la littérature que nous devons dénicher.

https://curiosaetc.wordpress.com/category/curiosa-caetera/entretiens/
(scroll all the way to bottom)

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 18, 2018 09:38 AM (e7O7B)

56 Thanks for the tip, Eris !

Ace Double, what fun !

Bezos' Minions will have it here by the end of the month.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 18, 2018 09:39 AM (tSXzq)

57

Bob Evans makes good breakfasses.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 09:39 AM (9lyhM)

58 I love that book. He pulls off a thing not unlike 'A Perfect Storm', where right in the beginning he introduces you to a cast of attractive young characters and says they're almost all going to die but you go on the journey anyway.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 09:34 AM (fuK7c)

The counterpart is the story where you know ahead of time that everyone survives, but find yourself at times wondering if they're going to.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 09:39 AM (t+qrx)

59 CNN Headline
House Ethics Committee chides Meadows, Kihuen over sexual harassment allegations

real story
Meadows did not do enough when he saw sexual harassment
Kihuen was doing some harassing himself

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 09:40 AM (JFO2v)

60 And they ( Bob Evans) make it with a smile

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2018 09:40 AM (K0Dlp)

61 My spinach reading is still Bryan Burroughs’ Days of Rage. Spinach, in that I have to force myself to continue reading. I feel a burning rage against these upper middle class college kids but even more so for the nostalgia some feel for these “revolutionaries”. But it’s excellent pop history, he has a reporter’s eye for the facts and doesn’t have a political axe to grind.

Obama’s mentors Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn figure prominently, natch. It’s Bernadine who is one of the most aggressive leaders of the Weathermen, and she held the other members in thrall. “Power doesn’t flow from the barrel of a gun,” snarled member Mark Rudd, “Power flows out of Bernadine’s c*nt.”

Endless rounds of self-criticism, followed by drug-fueled orgies – not just for fun, but to break down middle class notions of propriety, dissolve individualism, and transfer allegiance to the collective. It was a cult, basically. Of course it was a disaster; all it did was inflame petty jealousies and give rise to rampant STDs called Weather Crud.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:40 AM (kQs4Y)

62 Country Fried Steak and Eggs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2018 09:41 AM (K0Dlp)

63 That "library" is highly disorganized. Hard to find anything.

Posted by: JAS at November 18, 2018 09:41 AM (3HNOQ)

64 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 18, 2018 09:39 AM (tSXzq)

You know it's crap, right?

But fun crap.

Sturgeon's Law.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:42 AM (kQs4Y)

65 I've learned not to click the pants link, so I don't know what it shows. But if it's the 70s as is implied, it recalls something my friends and I wondered at the time. Which is why they didn't try to revive the codpiece. The culture of the 70s was exactly right for it. Narcissism, showing off, faking it, shocking grandma, all the elements were in place.

By the 90s the time had passed. Too aggressively masculine.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 18, 2018 09:42 AM (VaN/j)

66 From my nightly stroll thru Charles Fort's Wild Talents I came across this little section:

Is life worth living? Like everybody else, I have many times asked that question, usually deciding negatively, because I am most likely to ask myself whether life is worth living at times when I am convinced it isn't. One day, in one of my frequent, and probably incurable, scientific moments, it occurred to me to find out. For a month, at the end of each day, I set down a plus sign, or a minus sign, indicating that, in my opinion, life had, or had not, been worth living, that day. At the end of the month, I totaled up, and I can't say that I was altogether pleased to learn that the pluses had won the game. It is not dignified to be optimistic.

Posted by: freakd at November 18, 2018 09:42 AM (UdKB7)

67 Brought Max Hastings' "The Secret War" on a trip, mostly for the long trans-Pacific flights, have only made it 100 pages or so in.

It's fine, lots of familiar ground, some interesting and silly generalizations, one or two errors.

Well written, flows nicely and draws you in, partly because Hastings' encyclopedic knowledge of WWII.

Posted by: Rhomboid at November 18, 2018 09:43 AM (NyQaH)

68 I forgot to mention that the codpiece conversation was inspired by Stand on Zanzibar.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 18, 2018 09:43 AM (VaN/j)

69 Vic,
The Fairbairn was bought to make a set with the
Shanghai Municipal Police Colt 1903 .32 I have.

Fairbairn, the guy who invented close-quarter pistol
combat with semi-auto pistols, and trained the British
SAS and the OSS was a true badass.

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 09:45 AM (rgquC)

70 I regret not staying home with the kids when they were little, but I'm very grateful that I was able to find stay at home moms to care for them while I was at work. Very stable, loving homes. It was a blessing.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 09:45 AM (XZ3Gp)

71 Hans Schantz, you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't finish up Bracken's triad, and then go on to read "Red Cliffs".
His storytelling gets better with each book and he has his finger on the pulse of modern times.

Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 09:45 AM (sYLo5)

72 The counterpart is the story where you know ahead of time that everyone survives, but find yourself at times wondering if they're going to.

My whole family read "Seven Came Through" on vacation the year that I was eleven. It was Eddie Rickenbacker's account of being lost at sea in a liferaft for some inordinately long time.

Because I was eleven, I didn't get the significance of the title or put it together with the fact that there were eight men in the liferaft.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 09:46 AM (fuK7c)

73 I know other Morons have read it and offered their insights, but one thing I think is critical to emphasize is that everything we are seeing about the left going nuts was known to Horowitz and pointed out in 1997 when he published the book. It's all in there, even the recent Never Trump meltdown.
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This is so true! The sloganeering in Days of Rage is the exact same crap we're hearing today -- everything is institutional racism/sexism/oppression, and since it's woven into the very fabric of America, it has to be burned to the ground.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:46 AM (kQs4Y)

74 I believe the pic above is titled The Cemetery Of Forgotton Books. Drawing a blank on where exactly it's from.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at November 18, 2018 09:46 AM (Uiz/V)

75 is not this racist??

http://victorygirlsblog.com/is-the-fda-racist-or-just-stupid/

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 09:47 AM (JFO2v)

76 Have you really not previously linked to Eldridge's Cleaver pants? Certainly among the top worst pants ever, even counting all those knitted things.

Posted by: mindful webworker - pantalooney at November 18, 2018 09:48 AM (RmsK9)

77 So, I got a little package of cheeriness via interlibrary loan a little bit back: The Taking and Displaying of Human Body Parts as Trophies by Amerindians, edited by Chacon and Dye. About 700 pages of anthropological and archeological analysis. I haven't had time to read all the way through it, but if anyone wants a nice in-depth analysis of finger necklaces from the Plains, I recommend this book. Also has some stuff on archeological evidence for cannibalism among the Iroquois.

On a serious note, there seems to be an abundance of archeological evidence to back up early European accounts of violence and war among the Amerindians. Something for me to file away for the next time someone claims early accounts are exaggerated for propaganda.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 18, 2018 09:48 AM (bZ7mE)

78 This week I finished David Horowitz's excellent "Radical Son."

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I don't think it was Radical Son but another of his books which paints a portrait of his parents dying bitter and disappointed, waiting for the revolution that never came.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 09:49 AM (+y/Ru)

79 everything is institutional racism/sexism/oppression, and since it's woven into the very fabric of America, it has to be burned to the ground.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:46 AM (kQs4Y)

and rebuilt with what??? TADA socialism! Every cure for every disease is always socialism!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 09:49 AM (JFO2v)

80 I need a bigger library in my next house. My current library is full, along with the dining room and the game room. Will have to go with floor to ceiling shelves next time.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 18, 2018 09:50 AM (Eg45A)

81 SAy, OM, re browsing old QST's, didja see #309 on last weeks book thread ?
QST on CD in TIFF image format.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 18, 2018 09:51 AM (tSXzq)

82
Daycare??

Last week in my local fake news:

"4 Employees Fired After Three Toddlers Walk Away From Daycare Center"

Yeah, the little ones just left.

I think the daycare place is called "Pigtails & Cowlicks Daycare." Cutesy names are cute until something bad happens. For instance, Valujet's cutesy logo of a cartoon airplane was cute until their passengers were getting eaten alive by alligators in the Everglades.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 09:51 AM (9lyhM)

83 Cleaver said that one of the reasons for coming back to the U.S.A. was his son was playing soccer and not baseball and football in Europe.

Posted by: JAS at November 18, 2018 09:52 AM (3HNOQ)

84
You Had ONE Job!

Right?

The job: Watch the kids.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 09:52 AM (9lyhM)

85
I think the daycare place is called "Pigtails & Cowlicks Daycare." Cutesy names are cute until something bad happens. For instance, Valujet's cutesy logo of a cartoon airplane was cute until their passengers were getting eaten alive by alligators in the Everglades.

===

That's why I refuse to fly on Spirit Airlines.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at November 18, 2018 09:52 AM (Uiz/V)

86 Morning all. On the road this week and read through a pulp series about a failed musician turned reluctant Hollywood detective, called Artemis Black, from a writer I was unfamiliar with, Russell Blake. There are a few books in the series, starting with "Black" and extending through five total books. Easy, entertaining reads. Perfect for airplanes, trains, beaches or whatever.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 09:52 AM (Z216Q)

87 Good morning!

Here's the interview of Erica Komisar on GMA.. about what you'd expect..

http://tinyurl.com/y9zc49zl

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 18, 2018 09:52 AM (438dO)

88 70
I regret not staying home with the kids when they were little, but I'm
very grateful that I was able to find stay at home moms to care for them
while I was at work. Very stable, loving homes. It was a blessing.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 09:45 AM (XZ3Gp)

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I think the most vile thing (among many) that the cultural left has done was to denigrate and stigmatize motherhood.

My wife has struggled for years to balance the needs of our kids with the perception that if she doesn't have a job, she's somehow a failure.

Over the last year, she's finally embraced motherhood completely, largely because she's seeing the differences between our kids and their peers.

Ours are resilient, capable, confident and well-grounded. They talk to us and tell us what's going on. Their friends are unstable, fragile, and while their families have more stuff than we do, they're miserable.

The other day we saw a commercial for "dinner in a box" and the millennials this thing was pitched to were all "wow, now we can cook at home with all the ingredients pre-measured and clear instructions on what to do!"

My wife and I stared at each other in total disbelief. I said: "How f*cking hard is it to brown ground beef, boil some noodles and open a jar of spaghetti sauce!?"

My wire replied that they obviously never saw anyone in their family do that, which is simply terrible.

What a total mess.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:54 AM (cfSRQ)

89 Eris, yes indeed I do ... it's the hardest category of reading to find these days.
Serious, technical, historic, abstruse, weird, I got lotsa dem onna shelves.
Fun crap, not so much.

"Ace Double"practically says that all by itself.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 18, 2018 09:54 AM (tSXzq)

90 Darn, must get back to yesterday's chores.
Weasel, while I'm choring, can you send over a Deplorable Gourmet? Delivered by 15 16 y.o. girl, please.

Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 09:55 AM (sYLo5)

91 This pic has been on my hard drive for over a year and I forget where I got it from. Is it a still from some movie or TV show?

Its from an alternate universe where Hillary is president, Spock has a beard, and chessboards are oriented with the white square on the left corner.

(Sorry, this is my minor version of OCD)

Posted by: Chuck C at November 18, 2018 09:55 AM (YTxkQ)

92 Still working on War and Peace. As a critique of Russian monarchy/aristocracy it's just devastating in a completely deadpan, non-didactic way. After the battle of Austerlitz, when their army is virtually destroyed and Napoleon is master of Europe, the aristocratic officers come home from the front and . . . go to parties. Hold banquets. Have love affairs and fight duels. No sense of crisis, no change.

This is how you get Lenin.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 09:55 AM (KqziQ)

93 As to the shocking lack of domestic skills, my eldest kid was once the superhero of the shared college apartment because when the stove's electric igniter didn't work, my kid knew how to LIGHT A MATCH and make the stove work. None of the other residents knew about that one weird trick.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 09:57 AM (KqziQ)

94 Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:54 AM (cfSRQ
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All these people need cookbooks!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 09:57 AM (MVjcR)

95 78
This week I finished David Horowitz's excellent "Radical Son."

-

I don't think it was Radical Son but another of his books which
paints a portrait of his parents dying bitter and disappointed, waiting
for the revolution that never came.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 09:49 AM (+y/Ru)

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That's in there. He talks about how the repudiation of Stalin really wounded them. His father in particular was a ball of inarticulate rage.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:57 AM (cfSRQ)

96 You folks are really denying yourself something by not clicking on the Pants link.

What have we learned over the years? ALWAYS click on the link. Strange pleasures await!

"Shockingly...it was never a great success."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:57 AM (kQs4Y)

97 90 Darn, must get back to yesterday's chores.
Weasel, while I'm choring, can you send over a Deplorable Gourmet? Delivered by 15 16 y.o. girl, please.
Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 09:55 AM (sYLo5)
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We'll need to agree on S&H first!

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 09:58 AM (MVjcR)

98 Last week in my local fake news:

"4 Employees Fired After Three Toddlers Walk Away From Daycare Center"

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In our local news, a doctor is in trouble because during an operation he painted the patient's vagaygay purple as a joke. Turns out she didn't have a sense of humor.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 09:58 AM (+y/Ru)

99 For instance, Valujet's cutesy logo of a cartoon airplane was cute until their passengers were getting eaten alive by alligators in the Everglades.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 09:51 AM (9lyhM)

This is legitimately one of my hangups about people who wear costumes to the office on Halloween. What if you spin out and hit a bridge abutment on the way home and they have to cut you out of the car? What if there's a round of layoffs and you get called in and let go? What if you get a call from the hospital and have to rush in to see your spouse or kid in the ER? You will do these things with those silly deely boppers on your head. How could someone take that risk?

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 09:58 AM (t+qrx)

100 I worked in a daycare. The most psychologically healthy kids were the ones who spent fewer than ten hours a week there.

One four-year-old kid who was there for all the hours we were open was practically demon-possessed. (I was trying to calm him one time and he said, "I want Jesus to kill me."). His mom and her boyfriend would pick him up at closing and take him to childcare at the gym where they would work out for hours every day.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2018 09:58 AM (4HMW8)

101 94
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:54 AM (cfSRQ

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All these people need cookbooks!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 09:57 AM (MVjcR)

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Wouldn't go any good. They don't know what words like "simmer" or "broil" mean, or how to measure ingredients or even where to get them.

That's the telling thing. If you see people cook, if you help cook, it becomes second nature. Once you know the basics, you can experiment and find new twists on stuff.

But if you've never seen it, you don't know where to start, so you order in and watch Netflix.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:59 AM (cfSRQ)

102 My mother went back to work very soon after I was born . I consider myself perfectly normal.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 18, 2018 09:59 AM (2DOZq)

103 As a critique of Russian monarchy/aristocracy it's just devastating in a completely deadpan, non-didactic way.

I wonder if that's a 'does a fish know it's wet' kind of thing. I read Turgenev's "A Sportsman's Sketches" not long ago.

I thought I was going to read about a guy who goes hunting and fishing, but so much of it was taken up by the social relations of everyone. Peasant farmers, tenant farmers, landowners, gentry, merchants, eighty-four kinds of aristocracy, and each of them absolutely fixed at their rung of society.

Of course you got Lenin.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 10:00 AM (fuK7c)

104 73
This is so true! The sloganeering in Days of Rage is the exact same crap we're hearing today -- everything is institutional racism/sexism/oppression, and since it's woven into the very fabric of America, it has to be burned to the ground.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:46 AM (kQs4Y)

I remember back during the 2008 campaign when calling Obama a socialist was deemed racist.

Lately I've been noticing how often Trump and his supporters are called racists or white nationalists. I think the reasoning goes something like this:

Racism is unacceptable.

Opposition to socialism is racism.

Therefore, opposition to socialism is unacceptable.

I believe this would have been made explicit if Hillary had won, and may yet be if/when Blotto or Occasional-Cortex or their ilk become President.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 10:00 AM (sdi6R)

105 In our local news, a doctor is in trouble because during an operation he painted the patient's vagaygay purple as a joke. Turns out she didn't have a sense of humor.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 09:58 AM (+y/Ru)

That is one weird doctor.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2018 10:00 AM (4HMW8)

106 Grey Fox has the best coffee table books.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:01 AM (kQs4Y)

107 Well, I stayed home with my kids from the time they were born until about a year and a half ago. The youngest is 9. I have also taken them to a TxMoMe. I may be doing this all wrong....

Posted by: lin-duh at November 18, 2018 10:01 AM (kufk0)

108 While Tolstoy's my downstairs book, upstairs I'm reading a book about George Washington's spy ring in New York: _George Washington's Secret Six_, by Brian Kilmeade.

It's . . . okay. The subject matter is sufficiently interesting that I can overlook the book's flaws. But boy does it have flaws. The author insists on dramatizing scenes between characters -- which means I have to grit my teeth to avoid flinging the book out of the window at the way his 18th-century characters use contemporary patterns of speech.

My guess is that he was thinking about a movie deal while writing it.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 10:01 AM (KqziQ)

109 >>>The trouble with lifelong book collecting is that eventually they stack up the way they do in the picture. Between the two of us, we more and more often can't find what we're looking for.

Well hello, sailor!

Posted by: Dewey Decimal at November 18, 2018 10:02 AM (/qEW2)

110 107 Well, I stayed home with my kids from the time they were born until about a year and a half ago. The youngest is 9. I have also taken them to a TxMoMe. I may be doing this all wrong....
Posted by: lin-duh at November 18, 2018 10:01 AM (kufk0)
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Very nice and mannerly little chirrun', too!

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 10:02 AM (MVjcR)

111 and so civilian bodies and individuals like the Sanitary Commission, and Mrs. Bickerdyke stepped in - pretty heroically, it appears. (All this is research in service to my next historical novel...)

Don't forget the many Catholic Sisters who served as nurses, often despite the opposition of Proper Protestant Society Ladies.

Posted by: Fox2! at November 18, 2018 10:03 AM (MwFQu)

112
hogmartin, that reminds me of the great advice we all got from our grandmas and great-aunts:

Always Make Sure You're Wearing Clean Underwears...Because You Never Know What Might Happen

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:03 AM (9lyhM)

113 I must have a pair of those pants.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 10:04 AM (5aX2M)

114
Grandma would say: What if you get into an accident?!?!

So, wear clean undies. Or else.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:04 AM (9lyhM)

115 I think the most vile thing (among many) that the cultural left has done was to denigrate and stigmatize motherhood.

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Life would be a lot better if women weren't punished with babies.

Posted by: Emperor of Everything Obola at November 18, 2018 10:04 AM (+y/Ru)

116 96
You folks are really denying yourself something by not clicking on the Pants link.

What have we learned over the years? ALWAYS click on the link. Strange pleasures await!

"Shockingly...it was never a great success."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 09:57 AM (kQs4Y)

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I was too young to benefit from the bra-less look of the 70s. Also missed the freewheeling pre-AIDS teenage scene.

Still, the late 80s and early 90s were a damn sight better than things are today.

Also, photos of me in high school aren't particularly embarrassing. A t-shirt, jeans and worn sneakers never go out of style.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:05 AM (cfSRQ)

117 Always Make Sure You're Wearing Clean Underwears...Because You Never Know What Might Happen
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But if something happens they won't be clean anymore....duh!

Posted by: lin-duh at November 18, 2018 10:05 AM (kufk0)

118 I've spent so much time the last couple of weeks being enraged at the news and news coverage, it messed with my reading. Couldn't enjoy history books, philosophy, or even modern novels. And if anything advertises itself with words like "torn from today's headlines", it goes right in the trash where it belongs.

Two areas are saving my reading enjoyment.

The first is books about art: appreciation, techniques, ven how the paints were made in earlier times. But especially books about winston Churchill and his painting.

The second area is humorous books: Wodehouse, Pat McManus, Jerome K. Jerome, the Liturgical Mysteries, and Amory's "The Trouble With Nowadays, A Curmudgeon Strikes Back".

I intend to enter the holiday season in a pleasant and positive mood and these books help. Also, I start my annual rereading of LOTR soon.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 10:05 AM (758Rh)

119
Parents today don't tell their loser-spawn to wear clean undies because the young parents of today don't wear undies and they completely shave their privates so they look like babies down there.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:05 AM (9lyhM)

120 I'm reading a book about George Washington's spy ring in New York: _George Washington's Secret Six_, by Brian Kilmeade.

I'm sort of reading 'Washington's Spies'. (That means I've started it but am also reading other things). It was disappointing to know that Nathan Hale did nothing and that wasn't his quote.

Kilmeade...I saw him on a CSPAN thing promoting a history book. He's not an historian, he's a Fox News douche. He was just promoting. Like, "hey, if you don't want to talk about this book, let's talk about all the other wonderful things I think about me".

I wouldn't really have noticed him on the newz if I hadn't seen that and now I can't stand him.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 10:06 AM (fuK7c)

121 102
My mother went back to work very soon after I was born . I consider myself perfectly normal.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 18, 2018 09:59 AM (2DOZq)

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Those affected are often the last to know.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (cfSRQ)

122 This is the only place on the Interwebz where vulgarity becomes educational.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (y3cH7)

123 77
So, I got a little package of cheeriness via interlibrary loan a little bit back: The Taking and Displaying of Human Body Parts as Trophies by Amerindians, edited by Chacon and Dye.

Just a stroll through the Table of Contents makes for some intriguing themes:
"Heads, Women, and the baubles of prestige"
"Human finger and hand bone necklaces..."
"The House of cut-off heads..."
I need to get this book.

Posted by: River Cat at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (P34JQ)

124 Grandma would say: What if you get into an accident?!?!
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:04 AM (9lyhM)

She wasn't wrong.

But if something happens they won't be clean anymore....duh!
Posted by: lin-duh at November 18, 2018 10:05 AM (kufk0)

They'd be able to tell if they were clean before. Somehow.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (t+qrx)

125 I have to grit my teeth to avoid flinging the book out of the window at the way his 18th-century characters use contemporary patterns of speech.
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"Yo, Georgie my man!", or "I can't deal right now, I'm still processing this."?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (kQs4Y)

126 While Democrats may be Cockmadaws, I don't think we can say they are pussivanting. For while they make frequent, even constant, great fussess over nothing, their commotions are quite effectual. Just look at all the seats they flipped this month. Or the border. Or Obamacare.

Posted by: JoeofPA at November 18, 2018 10:09 AM (vLYq9)

127 Watched Special last night on Jim Jones and the People's Temple. It wasn't overt but it had the sense of that old excuse that the Socialism of the People's Temple would have worked but for....

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 18, 2018 10:09 AM (2DOZq)

128 >>>in England, if they think you are crazy but can be cured, they can hold you in a psych facility/prison until someone signs off on you being sane enough to return to society

Well, we don't want crazy people running around free. And let's face it, given how self-evidently true Islam is, you'd have to be crazy not to be a Muslim. Thus the Shahada is the test for sanity.

Posted by: Saddiq Khan at November 18, 2018 10:09 AM (/qEW2)

129 I intend to enter the holiday season in a pleasant
and positive mood and these books help. Also, I start my annual
rereading of LOTR soon.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 10:05 AM (758Rh)

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Started last week after finishing Horowitz.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:09 AM (cfSRQ)

130 "Life would be a lot better if women weren't punished with babies.
Posted by: Emperor of Everything Obola "

You can say that again.

Posted by: zombie Stanley Ann Dunham at November 18, 2018 10:10 AM (UdKB7)

131 While Democrats may be Cockmadaws, I don't think we can say they are pussivanting. For while they make frequent, even constant, great fussess over nothing, their commotions are quite effectual. Just look at all the seats they flipped this month. Or the border. Or Obamacare.
Posted by: JoeofPA at November 18, 2018 10:09 AM (vLYq9)

That goes to my often repeated description of the Left. They are bold but not brave.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 18, 2018 10:11 AM (2DOZq)

132 My book group is almost done with "A Handful of Dust" by Evelyn Waugh and I can almost say for sure that if this was the first work of Waugh's we'd read we would never have undertaken Brideshead Revisited. It's not so much that it's poorly written, although parts have a slapdash air of having been hastily put together from scraps here and there, but just about everyone in it are such unlikeable dickweeds and whores. Even the kind of sympathetic clueless cuckec husband comes off like a early version of George Costanza when he starts fooling around with some young thing on a cruise ship and can't understand why she becomes distant when he lets slip that he's kind of married. There's dark humor which permeates the whole book; but it's kind of a scuzzy and creepy type that makes you feel guilty for enjoying it. It's different than Lolita in which Nabokov is calling out the reader for enjoying a book about a pedophile; at least that was superbly written.

Have any of the Horde of the Book read From Here to Eternity? That's what the book group has lined up next and already I'm feeling irritated for not having blackballed it and that it's going to be some low to middlebrow crap that will irritate the fuck out of me before I tell them to stop wasting my time with these shitty choices. Not that I'm judgemental and I'm open to any of you telling me I'm full of shit.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:11 AM (y7DUB)

133 The Taking and Displaying of Human Body Parts as Trophies by Amerindians
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32 bucks on Amazon just for the Kindle! And there's no "Look inside!" function.

One reviewer mentions a drum made with stretched human hide. That is seriously Metal.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:12 AM (kQs4Y)

134 I thought Cockmadaw was the alternate universe MSNBC anchor.

Posted by: Corndog at November 18, 2018 10:12 AM (V2CIU)

135 I think the most vile thing (among many) that the cultural left has done was to denigrate and stigmatize motherhood.

My
wife has struggled for years to balance the needs of our kids with the
perception that if she doesn't have a job, she's somehow a failure.
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This.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:12 AM (Z216Q)

136 124 Grandma would say: What if you get into an accident?!?!
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:04 AM (9lyhM)

She wasn't wrong.

But if something happens they won't be clean anymore....duh!
Posted by: lin-duh at November 18, 2018 10:05 AM (kufk0)

They'd be able to tell if they were clean before. Somehow.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (t+qrx)

Bill Cosby says they only way they are gonna be clean in a wreck is if they are in glove compartment!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 10:13 AM (JFO2v)

137 The United States also used to practice indefinite detention for the severely mentally ill. Now we just leave them out on the street to turn our cities into the nightmarish hellscapes they are.

The severely mentally ill should be institutionalized, for their own and for our sake. I've had this argument with many lefties in the past. They will claim that Ronald Reagan shut down all of the California mental institutions in order to save money and cut taxes for the rich. I will counter that indefinite detention was sued out of existence by the usual suspects, the vanguard of the revolution, the Lawfare Left.

Posted by: motionview at November 18, 2018 10:14 AM (pYQR/)

138 This week I read and enjoyed "The King's Grave: The Discovery of Richard III's Lost Burial Place and the Clues it Holds" by Philippa Langley and Michael Jones. It may have been recommended from the Book Thread. It was on my wish list and I can't recall how it got there.

For those who don't know the story, the grave was discovered under a parking lot in Leiscester over 500 years after Richard was quickly and unceremoniously buried after the Battle of Bosworth Field. Enjoyable book for those who like English history and archaeology. Langley is a bit over the top in trying to rehabilitate Richard's reputation, but I can see how that can happen when you're trying to offset centuries of hearing only one side--the Tudor one--of his life story.

The other thing that struck me about the book was Langley's tolerance for the innumerable layers of UK bureaucracy (national and local) that she had to navigate to make the archaelogical dig happen. The labyrinth of regulations and approvals was almost comically impenetrable.

Posted by: Art Rondolet of Malmsey at November 18, 2018 10:15 AM (S+f+m)

139 I messed up a few days ago. Mrs. Wrecks' birthday is coming up and she is a big Camelot/JFK fan so I bought her A Very Private Woman, a book about one of JFK's side squeezes whose unsolved mysterious murder is the stuff of conspiracy theories. My error was revealed yesterday when the book's author, Nina Burleigh, revealed herself to be an idiot by tweeting that all AR-15 owners are mass murderers. And I gave her some of my money!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 10:16 AM (+y/Ru)

140 I saw a few interesting books at the SBL conference here. Michel Cuypers thinks that suras 88-112 were gathered in that order to set forth an apocalypse about the end of the world. Daniel Beck has another book arguing that many of these suras started out as apocalyptic Christian (Syrian) sermons but got repurposed

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2018 10:17 AM (AXMqy)

141 I would worry about one of those lamps tipping over and setting fire to all those books.

Morning oh literate literati of the Horde. So who is reading the books that the Disney movie The Black Cauldron was based on after yesterday's discussion?

I think this graphic sums up many of our lives n'est ce pas?
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y74gszpp

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 18, 2018 10:18 AM (d+6Pw)

142 Nina Burly sound like a good drag queen name.

Posted by: freakde at November 18, 2018 10:18 AM (UdKB7)

143 That "mothers are biologically necessary for babies."

She also claimed that a mother provides different benefits to a newborn child than a father, and that the absence of mothers can lead to developmental problems for the child later in life.

But what if the father was the one who gave birth? Then the baby would only need the one parent.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2018 10:19 AM (/qEW2)

144 Watched Special last night on Jim Jones and the People's Temple. It wasn't overt but it had the sense of that old excuse that the Socialism of the People's Temple would have worked but for....
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 18, 2018 10:09 AM

In the PBS American Experience: Jonestown, they interview three or four of the survivors/escapees and they all basically say "it should have worked", 'we were doing something great", etc. I will never understand that psychology.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 18, 2018 10:19 AM (YTxkQ)

145 Watched the Coen Brothers Netflix anthology story yesterday, called "The Ballad Of Buster Scruggs". It was unlike anything I've ever seen and seemed almost book-like in its pacing and short-story kind of construction. It almost seemed like I was reading a set of offbeat stories of the west, a little similar in style to the Berrybender stories from Larry McMurtry.

Highly recommended (if you like the Coen Bros. stuff).

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:19 AM (Z216Q)

146 93 ... "when the stove's electric igniter didn't work, my kid knew how to LIGHT A MATCH and make the stove work. None of the other residents knew about that one weird trick."

That reminds me of being approached by a woman in a parking lot whose key fob wouldn't work to open the car door. Did I know anything about cars? I suggested she put the key in the lock and open it by hand. The look she gave me was priceless. It never occured to her to open the car manually.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 10:19 AM (758Rh)

147 'shame culture that Orwell didn't envision.'

Traditionally, Judeo-Christian culture is a Guilt Culture.

The emphasis in a guilt culture is personal responsibility and personal improvement. Notice how the idea of personal improvement has disappeared.

As long as American was a Judeo-Christian Guilt culture, we were successful as a nation because everyone knew they were responsible for their own success in life.

That's why it was so important for the left to turn American culture into a Victim Culture.

That way individuals are never responsible for their own failures. And there is no need to improve or educate yourself because you are a perfect and precious little snowflake blown about by forces beyond your control.

That's why the leftard victimoltariet scream the factually and demonstrably insane claim that you're beliefs ARE KILLING THEM!!!!111!!!.

Yeah, no.

So, if we're all tied together by their philosophical viewpoint, which they believe we are, then we must be shamed and educated to follow the correct and righteous path and accept their punishment.

Hence, the new American Shame Culture.

By the way, Shame cultures are a distinctive feature of both Communist/socialist and Muslim societies, which are objectively the least successful societies on the Planet Earth.

Yes, it is a religion for the Progtards. I don't see a peaceful way out of this situation because the Progtard insanity allows none.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2018 10:20 AM (CRRq9)

148 Watched Special last night on Jim Jones and the People's Temple. It wasn't overt but it had the sense of that old excuse that the Socialism of the People's Temple would have worked but for....

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Real socialism and real perpetual motion have never been tried.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 10:21 AM (+y/Ru)

149 My error was revealed yesterday when the book's author, Nina Burleigh, revealed herself to be an idiot by tweeting that all AR-15 owners are mass murderers. And I gave her some of my money!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 10:16 AM

Just Return It.
(My new post-nike slogan)

Posted by: Chuck C at November 18, 2018 10:21 AM (YTxkQ)

150 'I would worry about one of those lamps tipping over and setting fire to all those books.'

I thought that guy on the left had a campfire but I guess that is a lamp.

Posted by: freakde at November 18, 2018 10:21 AM (UdKB7)

151 and Nikoloz Aleksidze had The Narrative of the Caucasian Schism: Memory and Forgetting in Mediaeval Caucasus. basically how the Armenians and Georgians split religiously, and then lied about why. this is the one I want, so I can make sense of the historians.

unfortunately these books all cost too much

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2018 10:21 AM (IYcBz)

152 132
My book group is almost done with "A Handful of Dust" by Evelyn Waugh
and I can almost say for sure that if this was the first work of Waugh's
we'd read we would never have undertaken Brideshead Revisited. It's
not so much that it's poorly written, although parts have a slapdash air
of having been hastily put together from scraps here and there, but
just about everyone in it are such unlikeable dickweeds and whores.
Even the kind of sympathetic clueless cuckec husband comes off like a
early version of George Costanza when he starts fooling around with some
young thing on a cruise ship and can't understand why she becomes
distant when he lets slip that he's kind of married. There's dark humor
which permeates the whole book; but it's kind of a scuzzy and creepy
type that makes you feel guilty for enjoying it. It's different than
Lolita in which Nabokov is calling out the reader for enjoying a book
about a pedophile; at least that was superbly written.

Have any of the Horde of the Book read From Here to Eternity?
That's what the book group has lined up next and already I'm feeling
irritated for not having blackballed it and that it's going to be some
low to middlebrow crap that will irritate the fuck out of me before I
tell them to stop wasting my time with these shitty choices. Not that
I'm judgemental and I'm open to any of you telling me I'm full of shit.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:11 AM (y7DUB)

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That's one of my least favorite Waugh books. It's deep satire written for the "smart set" and so making anti-heroes out of obnoxious and obvious idiots was part of its charm.

If you want to make your group get really worked up, suggest "Black Mischief" or "Scoop."

As for "From Here to Eternity," the movie is brilliant but I can't imagine the book being very good. I read some summaries of it and Jones tends to make the Army even more brutal with zero redeeming characteristics, plus sodomy in the barracks.

The movie characters are compromised and make bad decisions, but you get a bunch of first-rate performances to sell them. I watched it Friday night, in fact and Deborah Kerr is quite the number. Hard to believe that's the some wholesome woman in "The King and I." Or that Donna Reed (America's mom!) was such a vamp.

Could be a case where the movie's better than the book, but I don't want to find out.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:21 AM (cfSRQ)

153 The Tudors really had to blacken the Plantagenets, because their claim to the throne was tissue-paper thin. Henry Tudor's grandmother's first husband was the son of a guy who overthew the king.

The more convincing argument Henry Tudor had was "I'm Henry VII and this is my army."

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 10:22 AM (KqziQ)

154 107 lin-duh

Your kids were charming and well-behaved. You can not fake good parenting.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 18, 2018 10:23 AM (hyuyC)

155 144
In the PBS American Experience: Jonestown, they interview three or four of the survivors/escapees and they all basically say "it should have worked", 'we were doing something great", etc. I will never understand that psychology.
Posted by: Chuck C at November 18, 2018 10:19 AM (YTxkQ)

I bet there are hungry Venezuelans who are saying the exact same thing at this moment.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 10:23 AM (sdi6R)

156 Morning oh literate literati of the Horde. So who is reading the books that the Disney movie The Black Cauldron was based on after yesterday's discussion?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 18, 2018 10:18 AM (d+6Pw)

No, but I should. Lloyd Alexander. I read the bindings apart on those in grade school, but haven't thought about them in decades.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 10:23 AM (t+qrx)

157
Almost finished with "Queen Victoria's Little Wars" by Byron Farwell. A very interesting read...small wars in Africa, India, Canada and everywhere in between...the British were busy little bees back in the day.

Next book on the list... "Romances of India" by Talbot Mundy. A collection of three of his novels... "King of the Khyber Rifles" "Guns of the Gods" and "Told in the East".

I'm on a bit of a British Empire reading kick these days it seems...I have read Kipling's books and short stories but if anyone has other selections about the British and their shenanigans around the globe...any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2018 10:23 AM (RgTXG)

158 The severely mentally ill should be
institutionalized, for their own and for our sake. I've had this
argument with many lefties in the past. They will claim that Ronald
Reagan shut down all of the California mental institutions in order to
save money and cut taxes for the rich. I will counter that indefinite
detention was sued out of existence by the usual suspects, the vanguard
of the revolution, the Lawfare Left.

Posted by: motionview at November 18, 2018 10:14 AM (pYQR/)

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I know more about the mental health system than I'd like due to some family situations and whenever the topic comes up with liberal friends, I point out that both sides are to blame.

The Democrats made it illegal to hold people against their will, leaving the hospitals empty.

The Republicans then said: "Why the hell are we paying for empty buildings" and sold them off.

The two go together. You want more facilities, you have to give authorities the ability to hold people even if they object.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:25 AM (cfSRQ)

159 Real socialism and real perpetual motion have never been tried.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 10:21 AM (+y/Ru)

The correct answer to "real socialism has never been tried," is "neither has real fascism."

Posted by: Kindltot at November 18, 2018 10:26 AM (mUa7G)

160
If you want to make your group get really worked up, suggest "Black Mischief" or "Scoop."

Loved both books, and the vapid personalities populating "Scoop" will remind everyone of certain members of the WH press corps.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:26 AM (Z216Q)

161 Farwell's book _The Great War in Africa_ is excellent, too. It's about World War I in East Africa. You are guaranteed to become a lifelong Von Lettow fanboy if you read it.

It also includes the epic saga of Lieutenant Spicer-Simpson, a.k.a. "The Real African Queen" who Fitzcarraldo-ed a squadron of torpedo boats overland into the African Lakes and defeated the German armed steamers there, all while wearing drag.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 10:27 AM (KqziQ)

162 'I would worry about one of those lamps tipping over and setting fire to all those books.'

Are you people still taking O'Muse seriously about that being a books picture? It's chess pron. He already gets a dedicated post once a week for chess pron, but that's not enough for him so he has to slip it in elsewhere under subterfuge.

It's a sickness, really. And one for which there are shockingly few support groups. Just old carbuncular chess pron addicts with sallow skin and yellow eyes, haunting alleys and Barnes and Nobles with their wretched twitching pawn hands.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 10:27 AM (fuK7c)

163 i was a prolific reader in my younger days.....but i don't really have the attention span to read like i used to. i did start "Rebecca" by daphane du maurier as my daughter recommended it to me....
my sis in law gave me two books last year...i can't remember the name of either of them.....one was tolerable...the other miserable but i read them both because she wanted to discuss them with me.....last night i asked her when our discussion was going to happen because i had finished the books a while ago and i needed to dig them back out to remember what i liked and disliked about them.....come to find out....SHE HASN'T EVEN READ THEM YET....
the ninth hour was one.... the other was about indian girls....and a messed up family dynamic.....that scars both...i can't remember the name....and it could have been great but the author was in above her head.....so it came across....a bit amature.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2018 10:28 AM (0O7c5)

164 Glad to see so Many WEB Griffin fans in the horde.I have reread the Corps series, and Honor bound several times and still find them enjoyable. Yes, they are formulaic, they are not really too good for binge reading, what with rehashing earlier plot points, etc, and the need for a competent editor, ie, cedar trees magically change to oaks around the estancia in the Honor Bound series

Posted by: Semilitterate at November 18, 2018 10:28 AM (vjaBY)

165 I haven't read Stand on Zanzibar for about 30 years. I wonder how it holds up. I find I don't care for a lot of the books I enjoyed when I was younger.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 18, 2018 10:28 AM (Lqy/e)

166 In the PBS American Experience: Jonestown, they
interview three or four of the survivors/escapees and they all basically
say "it should have worked", 'we were doing something great", etc. I
will never understand that psychology.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 18, 2018 10:19 AM (YTxkQ)

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Science tell us (and this has been confirmed many times by personal observation) that denial is a psychological mechanism that is invulnerable to any refutation by reality.

You cannot shake the faith of a true believer.

People often take refuge in it because facing the truth is simply beyond their ability to cope. So, faced with acknowledging that the socialist god is dead, they temporize and talk about details.

Jonestown was literally a cult. Are we surprised that some of the cultists are still in its thrall?

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:29 AM (cfSRQ)

167 That's a cool pic. Looks apocalyptic.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:29 AM (bUjCl)

168 AMF!!

American Civil Liberties Union, RIP
The ACLU no longer even pretends to believe in civil liberties.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 10:29 AM (JFO2v)

169 Looking back ,talk about politically incorrect . We used to have Jim Jones jungle juice parties in college in the early 80's. Guys would wear white leisure suit with ray bans or Hawaiian shirts with ray bans. No one thought to say ' too soon? ' I wish we had that part of society back where not everyone is triggered or offended.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 18, 2018 10:30 AM (2DOZq)

170 Farwell's book _The Great War in Africa_ is excellent, too. It's about World War I in East Africa. You are guaranteed to become a lifelong Von Lettow fanboy if you read it.
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Speaking of Lettow-Vorbeck, I really enjoyed "African Kaiser" by Robert Gaudi. Airship over Africa! What a strange side of WWI.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:30 AM (kQs4Y)

171 The other thing that struck me about the book was Langley's tolerance for the innumerable layers of UK bureaucracy (national and local) that she had to navigate to make the archaelogical dig happen. The labyrinth of regulations and approvals was almost comically impenetrable.
Posted by: Art Rondolet of Malmsey at November 18, 2018 10:15 AM (S+f+m)
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And yet, I bet she remains a disciple of big government.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at November 18, 2018 10:30 AM (WEBkv)

172 Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:21 AM (cfSRQ)

Thank you for that feedback.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:30 AM (y7DUB)

173 The severely mentally ill should be institutionalized, for their own and for our sake.

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And where would CNN find its reporters?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 10:31 AM (+y/Ru)

174 167 That's a cool pic. Looks apocalyptic.
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:29 AM (bUjCl)

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Burgess Meredith at November 18, 2018 10:31 AM (sdi6R)

175 Geez...

Apocalypse Now II: SEAL Gone Rogue
https://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=82914

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 18, 2018 10:32 AM (d+6Pw)

176
OT, update from this morning.

Miss Dutchess is back home after suffering a grand mal seizure. We cleaned up a pen and put her by herself. She's bright eyed and waggy tailed. But it was frightening what she looked like. Mild-mannered Leo was snarling at her and Dan was barking in dismay.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 18, 2018 10:32 AM (LsBY9)

177 American Civil Liberties Union, RIP
The ACLU no longer even pretends to believe in civil liberties.

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Maybe they're like the American Cancer Society. They're not actually pro-cancer.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 10:33 AM (+y/Ru)

178 Thanks to the moron who recommended "The Stranger Beside Me."

About 2/3 through it and it's quite interesting to see how manipulative Ted Bundy was. I also like that Ms. Rule is honest when it comes to admitting she had a really hard time connecting the Bundy she knew with the monster he actually was.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at November 18, 2018 10:33 AM (WEBkv)

179 We used to have Jim Jones jungle juice parties in college in the early 80's. Guys would wear white leisure suit with ray bans or Hawaiian shirts with ray bans. No one thought to say ' too soon?

Pah. We had one in the dorms in '78 right after it happened.

Metal tub full of Kool Aid and grain alchohol with a hunk of driy ice in the middle giving off fog and evil the whole time.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 10:33 AM (fuK7c)

180 I want to thank whoever here it was that suggested Crucible Of Command: Ulysses S Grant and Robert E. Lee

Finished it last weekend and it was a wonderful read. Thank you!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:33 AM (Z216Q)

181 I christen thee the USSR Cockmadaw!!!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at November 18, 2018 10:34 AM (Tyii7)

182 153
The Tudors really had to blacken the Plantagenets, because their claim
to the throne was tissue-paper thin. Henry Tudor's grandmother's first
husband was the son of a guy who overthew the king.

The more convincing argument Henry Tudor had was "I'm Henry VII and this is my army."

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 10:22 AM (KqziQ)

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Their claim wasn't all that shaky. If you look at the family tree, much of the nobility had similar amounts of royal blood.

That was part of the problem: too many claimants once the male line failed. France didn't have that problem because their male line was remarkably consistent over hundreds of years.

It also gives the lie to the notion that Christianity is uniquely violent. Actually, paganism is bloody in the extreme and under the Sultan, every change of government came with a massacre of all potential claimants. Given the size of the Sultan's harem, this number easily ran into triple digits.

So you have a sprawling royal house which continually married into other noble families combined with a succession of failures by the elder line to produce a strong male heir and the result was chaos.

Which was why Henry VIII was obsessed with having a son. Fat lot of good it did him.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:34 AM (cfSRQ)

183 Was reading a "serious book", set that aside and started reading fluff. In the form of Daniel Silva's espinage novels. The English Spy (major meh) and now House of Spies. Spies, Spies, Spies. Latter better read than the former.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:35 AM (bUjCl)

184 By all...Dogs are forcing me off the couch and into the woods. Damn it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:35 AM (Z216Q)

185 Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 09:54 AM (cfSRQ)

as hard as its been financially and healthwise, being forced to stay home after I lost my job has been rewarding emotionally and spiritually.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 10:36 AM (XZ3Gp)

186 My book group is almost done with "A Handful of Dust" by Evelyn Waugh and I can almost say for sure that if this was the first work of Waugh's we'd read we would never have undertaken Brideshead Revisited. It's not so much that it's poorly written, although parts have a slapdash air of having been hastily put together from scraps here and there, but just about everyone in it are such unlikeable dickweeds and whores. Even the kind of sympathetic clueless cuckec husband comes off like a early version of George Costanza when he starts fooling around with some young thing on a cruise ship and can't understand why she becomes distant when he lets slip that he's kind of married. There's dark humor which permeates the whole book; but it's kind of a scuzzy and creepy type that makes you feel guilty for enjoying it. It's different than Lolita in which Nabokov is calling out the reader for enjoying a book about a pedophile; at least that was superbly written...

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:11 AM (y7DUB)

Eh. I'm sure you're aware that that's a standard ploy in black comedy or dark humor-

ie. a certain distancing from the characters by taking an Olympian view or restricting the viewpoint to one character or by revealing their foibles and dark side,

so that when unfair and/or horrible things happen to them, we see it as funny because we have limited sympathy for those characters.

Last night, on the movie thread, someone made the same point about Coen Bros' movies. That they are all black comedies. And that's correct.

My novel, "Wearing the Cat" is a black comedy with Vol 1 more similar to early Waugh and Vol 2 more similar to later warm Waugh.

"Brideshead Revisited" might be more to your liking as it's "warm" post-Catholic conversion Waugh. He still takes an Olympian stance but allows more understanding and spirituality to enter the story.

Give it a whirl!

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2018 10:36 AM (CRRq9)

187 Loved both books, and the vapid personalities populating "Scoop" will remind everyone of certain members of the WH press corps.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:26 AM (Z216Q)

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Love the American "legendary" reporter who got off at the wrong train stop in the Balkans and rather than admit the mistake, created a coup and an international crisis so he could be the first one to cover it.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:37 AM (cfSRQ)

188 Cap'n Hate, give From Here to Eternity a go. I read it as a teen and devoured it.
Of course, as a teen and my mom being pregnant at the time, I made several ~~witty~~ tasteless jokes involving From Hair to Maternity.

Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 10:38 AM (sYLo5)

189 Speaking of Royalty , when did 'might makes right' stop being the controlling factor in society? At least in Western society?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 18, 2018 10:38 AM (2DOZq)

190
..Dogs are forcing me off the couch and into the woods. Damn it.

So what's your point.

Posted by: The Dogs at November 18, 2018 10:38 AM (LsBY9)

191 Apocalypse Now II: SEAL Gone Rogue
https://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=82914
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 18, 2018 10:32 AM (d+6Pw)
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Holy crap.

Also: Eight tours? Isn't that a lot?

Also II: Lots of red flags and efforts to mitigate Teh Crazy. Were any formal reports made?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:38 AM (kQs4Y)

192
Lim'rick

Circus

Link

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V

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 10:38 AM (m45I2)

193
My novel, "Wearing the Cat" is a black comedy with Vol 1 more similar to early Waugh and Vol 2 more similar to later warm Waugh.

"Brideshead Revisited" might be more to your liking as it's "warm"
post-Catholic conversion Waugh. He still takes an Olympian stance but
allows more understanding and spirituality to enter the story.

Give it a whirl!

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2018 10:36 AM (CRRq9)

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Hey, I sent you an email last week or so, never got a reply. Is the email on your Amazon site a good one?

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:39 AM (cfSRQ)

194
For a second there, I thought Muldoon found a word that rhymes with "circus."

Nevertheless, a fine limerick.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:40 AM (9lyhM)

195
Isn't there a dessert drink called a "ricky?"

Lime-ricky?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:41 AM (9lyhM)

196 how manipulative Ted Bundy

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There was a college trivia team named Crocodile Bundy back in the day.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 10:41 AM (+y/Ru)

197 All Hail Eris, I know... that guy's red flag board was a solid sea of red. And it seems no one in SpecOps wanted to step in and say "hey take a breather, go be a recruiter."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 18, 2018 10:41 AM (d+6Pw)

198 If only socialism had been tried properly, Jim Jones wouldn't have been forced to kill all those ingrates trying to leave the paradise that he benevolently presided over.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2018 10:42 AM (/qEW2)

199 The book is Being There: Why Prioritizing Motherhood in the First Three Years Matter by Erica Komisar.

Everyone understands the concept of 'dog years'. Everyone understands that infant pups shouldn't be separated from their mothers before X number of months.

Anyone wanna do the math for humans? I'd imagine it's within months of three years.
Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 18, 2018 09:05 AM (e7O7B)

There's an actual disorder, and everyone knows about it. It's right there in all the fancy manuals. It's called Reaction Attachment Disorder, and it has some very clear, specific causes and effects.

It's linked to all sorts of adult disorders. Everybody knows about it.

Here's the catch. The research shows, the person to whom children in those early formative years, MUST form an attachment... doesn't NECESSARILY have to be the mother.

It can be the father. Could be a nanny, I suppose. The person just HAS to be capable of forming that type of loving bond with the child. Which... hey, howdy hey, is HARDER for people who are NOT mothers!

So everybody knows. But I guess the problem arises when you get specific, and tell people the mother SHOULD be the one filling that role. Now you're denying her a choice to have her career, you sexist pig, you.

Oh, and those psychopaths mentioned above? Yeah, true psychopathy is very hard to find. Very rare. But the folks who make a real good case of mimicking psychopathy?

Close to 100% lacked close attachments during those first formative years of their lives.

Funny how that works.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:42 AM (cY3LT)

200 By all...Dogs are forcing me off the couch and into the woods. Damn it.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:35 AM (Z216Q)

Sorry you're being chased down by a pack of dogs, Huck Follywood. That sounds pretty rough. Sometimes you can toss less-popular offspring from the sleigh and it will distract them for a bit, long enough to make it to the next village. But sometimes not.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 10:42 AM (t+qrx)

201 This is how you get Lenin.

Close ! That is how they got the Decembrists (1820's) revolt and eventually VI Lenin.
The revolt ended how all revolts end in Russia - 5 prominent leaders executed, the rest sent to Siberia.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:43 AM (bUjCl)

202 Um, I thought Jim Jones killed all those people because he thought the would be taken away from him.

That is Socialism 101 right there.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 18, 2018 10:43 AM (mUa7G)

203 found a word that rhymes with "circus."

"quercus"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:43 AM (kQs4Y)

204
as hard as its been financially and healthwise,
being forced to stay home after I lost my job has been rewarding
emotionally and spiritually.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 10:36 AM (XZ3Gp)

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Same for us. Wife had some health problems, couldn't work and the sense of failure made everything ten times worse.

But we've muddled through and now she's seeing how important it was for her to be there. I know this goes against conventional dogma, but having her home to talk to the teenagers has been very important. Teens are more independent, but they still need parental guidance and the sense that they have someone who cares about them. Especially with daughters, who have lots of health questions that frankly gross me out.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:43 AM (cfSRQ)

205 I haven't read any WEB Griffin. Is there a particular book or series that would be a good place to start? So many folks here like his books, I should look into them.

Posted by: JTB at November 18, 2018 10:43 AM (758Rh)

206 198 If only socialism had been tried properly, Jim Jones wouldn't have been forced to kill all those ingrates trying to leave the paradise that he benevolently presided over.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2018 10:42 AM (/qEW2)

Socialism
NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the population size will be regulated to the size of the pie.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 10:44 AM (JFO2v)

207 BTH - Thanks a lot you g-ddamn nerd.

Now I have to decide whether I'm saving for a new shotgun, or the schism book. Damn it that's interesting.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 10:44 AM (5aX2M)

208 "hey take a breather, go be a recruiter."
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"Hey, kid, check out my trophy cabinet!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:45 AM (kQs4Y)

209 when did 'might makes right' stop being the controlling factor in society? At least in Western society

Total guess - the Age of Enlightenment ?

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:45 AM (bUjCl)

210 Also: Eight tours? Isn't that a lot?

Whole 'nuther thread. Why are we still there?

It's eight tours because my military age boys aren't going.

It's like the refutation of Insty's "that which can't go on, won't".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 10:45 AM (fuK7c)

211 81 SAy, OM, re browsing old QST's, didja see #309 on last weeks book thread ?
QST on CD in TIFF image format.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 18, 2018 09:51 AM (tSXzq)

Yes, I saw that, thank you. Guess I'll have to look for it on eBay.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at November 18, 2018 10:45 AM (EfDNz)

212
Anyone else hearing that old song that goes like this:

hot diggity, dog diggity
boom what you do to me

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:46 AM (9lyhM)

213 true psychopathy is very hard to find

Could've fooled us.

Posted by: The Democrat Party at November 18, 2018 10:46 AM (Tyii7)

214 Cap'n Hate, give From Here to Eternity a go. I read it as a teen and devoured it.
Of course, as a teen and my mom being pregnant at the time, I made several witty tasteless jokes involving From Hair to Maternity.
Posted by: RI Red at November 18, 2018 10:38 AM (sYLo5)

I'll give it a shot like I do almost everything else (I ended up enjoying Gone With the Wind but couldn't last two chapters in Uncle Tom's Cabin) because I'm open to being pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:47 AM (y7DUB)

215 Hey, I sent you an email last week or so, never got a reply. Is the email on your Amazon site a good one?

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:39 AM (cfSRQ)

Hi,

You're the second person who's told me that this week.

I just checked again and found it in junk mail. Along with the other person's letter.

Thanks for your feedback and suggestions,

Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2018 10:47 AM (CRRq9)

216 In our local news, a doctor is in trouble because during an operation he painted the patient's vagaygay purple as a joke. Turns out she didn't have a sense of humor.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

*********

I actually know that guy. I believe the story is not actually as lurid as the reporting portrays it. Just a reminder not to jump to conclusions based on a headline or opening sentence.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 10:48 AM (m45I2)

217
Palestinians are classic text-book psychopaths.

Yep, Democrats/Leftists, too.

Muslims.
The entire EU.

Convenient Stores.

Cable TV corporations/ the Media

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:49 AM (9lyhM)

218 Okay maybe 'recruiter' is a bad idea. Send him to BUDS School to teach.

Because those conflicts in the Middle East are now merely brush wars? And the MSM has decided that it is no longer news to talk about the quagmire...

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 18, 2018 10:49 AM (d+6Pw)

219 I actually know that guy. I believe the story is not actually as lurid as the reporting portrays it. Just a reminder not to jump to conclusions based on a headline or opening sentence.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 10:48 AM (m45I2)
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Purple? Does that mean bedazzling the vjj is passe?

Posted by: Jennifer Love Hewitt at November 18, 2018 10:51 AM (WEBkv)

220 Apocalypse Now II: SEAL Gone Rogue
https://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=82914
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 18, 2018 10:32 AM (d+6Pw)
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Holy crap.

Also: Eight tours? Isn't that a lot?

Also II: Lots of red flags and efforts to mitigate Teh Crazy. Were any formal reports made?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:38 AM (kQs4Y)

How funny... given the discussion on psychopaths.

Yes, you CAN turn an honorable man into a cold blooded killer.

Keep sending him into hell, eventually his actions turn evil. The Navy seems to be going after him with everything they can. It's their damn fault in the first place.

Eight deployments? That's the real crime here. What a disgrace, and our military is actively participating in turning good men into monsters.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:51 AM (cY3LT)

221
Yeah, in surgery there's an antiseptic that's a purple colored dye they use around the surgical site or something.

I'm gonna bet my left-nut that woman complaining had a procedure done around her midsection.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:51 AM (9lyhM)

222 Here's the catch. The research shows, the person to whom children in those early formative years, MUST form an attachment... doesn't NECESSARILY have to be the mother.

=

Cool. This whole rearing the young thing can be simplified by production of mommy bots. NO need for anyone to be around, a fully customized mommy bot will take care of all the child's needs.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:52 AM (bUjCl)

223 I'll give it a shot like I do almost everything else
(I ended up enjoying Gone With the Wind but couldn't last two chapters
in Uncle Tom's Cabin) because I'm open to being pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:47 AM (y7DUB)

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This seems crazy now, but back in the day, I read "Gone with the Wind" as required reading *in school.*

In a liberal college town.

Back then, the liberals were actually liberal, and while we had to read crap like "Hiroshima" so we could all feel guilty about dropping The Bomb, we also read things like "Heart of Darkness." And after reading it, our class watched "Apocalypse Now" and did a comparison of the literary themes and discussed how accurately Coppola translated the book.

Heavy stuff, and no one batted an eye.

Nowadays the school board would be in uproar, the teacher fired and the kids in therapy for a month.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:52 AM (cfSRQ)

224 This is how you get Lenin.

Close ! That is how they got the Decembrists (1820's) revolt and eventually VI Lenin.
The revolt ended how all revolts end in Russia - 5 prominent leaders executed, the rest sent to Siberia.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:43 AM (bUjCl)

Linin was cooling his jets in Zurich when the Revolution began in Petrograd and had to count on the fucking krauts to give him safe passage through their country during the war to cause major disruptions for their benefit. Otherwise that commie fuck would've been impotently raging in Switzerland not being able to do jackshit about it.

This is the type of Hun mindset that produced that simple gash, Angela Merkel.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:53 AM (y7DUB)

225 I'd like to thank everyone who bought/read my essays. Every bit helps.

Posted by: Expatphilosopher at November 18, 2018 10:53 AM (fU1ci)

226

It stains the skin but only temporarily. Like a day or three.

Can't believe this made the fake news...but yeah, Fake News + lawyers = Stupid Times.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:53 AM (9lyhM)

227 Eight tours... my buddy's dad did that in Nam.

The janitor at my HS did eleven as a recon marine there.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 10:54 AM (5aX2M)

228 Linin sb Lenin; fucking autocucumber

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:54 AM (y7DUB)

229 I spent eight hours hanging around my hotel in Entebbe between the time I checked out of my room and the time I needed to go to the airport. Fortunately the hotel had a small library.
I reread The Hobbit and started on King Solomon's Mines.
I found a scene in which the white adventure killed 9 elephants for their meat and tusks to be strangely disturbing.
I'm no tree hugger but that vignette made me cringe.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at November 18, 2018 10:55 AM (nBr1j)

230 we also read things like "Heart of Darkness." And after reading it, our class watched "Apocalypse Now" and did a comparison of the literary themes and discussed how accurately Coppola translated the book.

Heavy stuff, and no one batted an eye.

That would have no place in Commie Core.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:56 AM (y7DUB)

231 Eight deployments? That's the real crime here. What a disgrace, and our military is actively participating in turning good men into monsters.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:51 AM (cY3LT)
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Even if he volunteered, you'd think someone could have said, "Uh, no, thank you for your service, but I think you've done enough."

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at November 18, 2018 10:56 AM (WEBkv)

232 By all...Dogs are forcing me off the couch and into the woods. Damn it.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemFa (Anti-Demofascist) at November 18, 2018 10:35 AM (Z216Q)

Sorry you're being chased down by a pack of dogs, Huck Follywood. That sounds pretty rough. Sometimes you can toss less-popular offspring from the sleigh and it will distract them for a bit, long enough to make it to the next village. But sometimes not.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 10:42 AM (t+qrx)

What I learned early on, from watching zombie movies and shows, if you must go on a mission, go with a fat guy. And if it looks like the fat guy might faster than you, and/or might make it out alive, shoot him in the knee.

Probably works with wild dogs too.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:56 AM (cY3LT)

233 I actually know that guy. I believe the story is not actually as lurid as the reporting portrays it. Just a reminder not to jump to conclusions based on a headline or opening sentence.

=

First thing I though of is "body chemistry". Could be iodine turning purple or something.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 10:56 AM (bUjCl)

234 a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the population size will be regulated to the size of the pie.

...the majority being fed from the crumbs of said pie.

Posted by: t-bird at November 18, 2018 10:57 AM (OiC69)

235 The Mann Gulch fire would change the way the Forest Service and Fire Sciences would fight forest fires, but that change was slow. His book is at times gut wrenching, but a very good read.

Virtual Mann Gulch field trip.
http://formontana.net/gulch.html

Some head music.

Mediaeval Baebes - Scarborough Fayre
https://youtu.be/2lTDDf9NoLg

Iggy Pop - The Passenger
https://youtu.be/KMB8B2rFLfA

The Black Ryder - Outside
https://youtu.be/CSa4QLrLd7s
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at November 18, 2018 09:06 AM (vJVIn)

Here is a wonderful song by Alberta folksinger James Keelaghan, which is all about the Mann Gulch fire, Cold Missouri waters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dztj4X3fQps

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 10:58 AM (fDU8w)

236 221

Yeah, in surgery there's an antiseptic that's a purple colored dye they use around the surgical site or something.

I'm gonna bet my left-nut that woman complaining had a procedure done around her midsection.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 10:51 AM (9lyhM)

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That was my first thought at well.

I've noticed a lot of people being randomly "triggered" and the only cure is $$$.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 10:58 AM (cfSRQ)

237 I'm no tree hugger but that vignette made me cringe.

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I love elephants. My favorite animal. People who poach elephants should have their feet turned into ashtrays.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 10:58 AM (5aX2M)

238 Oh and Peter Jackson's decision to turn The Hobbit movies dark and full of foreboding was a serious departure from the book.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at November 18, 2018 10:58 AM (nBr1j)

239 Eight deployments? That's the real crime here. What a disgrace, and our military is actively participating in turning good men into monsters.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:51 AM (cY3LT)
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Even if he volunteered, you'd think someone could have said, "Uh, no, thank you for your service, but I think you've done enough."
Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at November 18, 2018 10:56 AM (WEBkv)

There are shedloads of research on this. A fighter is only effective up to a certain, specific number of days in battle. After that, he's useless.

We learned this during (and probably before) WWI. I think it might be John Keegan's Face of Battle which details the meticulous efforts of the french to catalog the relative fight effects of their men and units.

They knew, and they kept sending them in anyway. Until whole armies collapsed and/or mutinied.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:59 AM (cY3LT)

240 I'm gonna bet my left-nut that woman complaining had a procedure done around her midsection.
Posted by: Soothsayer

********

You would then have to be known as One-Ball Soothie,

She did not have a surgical procedure at all. She had a gynecologic exam, doctor applied a substance known as Gentian Violet, an old-school treatment for yeast infections. (I have used it to paint the mouths of babys with thrush- oral candidiasis). He made an offhand comment along the lines of "Your husband might be surprised if he sees that." They laughed it off. Two years later she mentions it to a friend who says 'Oh my god, you have to report that! It's sexual abuse!"

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 10:59 AM (m45I2)

241 I love elephants. My favorite animal. People who poach elephants should have their feet turned into ashtrays.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 10:58 AM (5aX2M)

Having actually seen living elephants in the wild made it really hard for me to read about elephant slaughter.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at November 18, 2018 11:00 AM (nBr1j)

242 Gentian violet will stain the mucus membranes purple; lasts for a few days.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:00 AM (m45I2)

243 Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at November 18, 2018 10:56 AM (WEBkv)

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Some people are just like that. Both of the guys I mentioned up thread said the exact same thing to me: that they loved Vietnam and its people weren't about to leave until their Communist tormentors were defeated.

I think this guy may have kept enlisting because he was a thrill killer, though.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:01 AM (5aX2M)

244 "Yo, Georgie my man!", or "I can't deal right now, I'm still processing this."?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (kQs4Y)

This was the final straw that caused Mrs. Muse and I to stop watching "Anne With An 'E'" on NetFlix. There was a scene that had 3-4 teenaged boys talking together and it sounded waaaay too modern. I wish I could remember some examples, but I reached for the remote to turn it off, then paused, and then Mrs. Muse said "go ahead."

There's precious little worth watching these days.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at November 18, 2018 11:03 AM (JAhKD)

245 In Search of Ali ibn Abi Talib's Codex
History and Traditions of the Earliest Copy of the Qur'an (Foreword by James Piscatori)
by Seyfeddin Kara
$119

@#$%

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2018 11:04 AM (Bd9IC)

246 They laughed it off. Two years later she mentions it to a friend who says 'Oh my god, you have to report that! It's sexual abuse!"

=

Fvcking idiots. Costly idiots.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:04 AM (bUjCl)

247 Seems he was doing his own Col. Kurtz thing. IF IF IF the reporting is true.

Anybody can go off the rails. Fortunately, most people don't.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 18, 2018 11:05 AM (0rzd6)

248 There are shedloads of research on this. A fighter
is only effective up to a certain, specific number of days in battle.
After that, he's useless.

We learned this during (and probably before) WWI. I think it might
be John Keegan's Face of Battle which details the meticulous efforts of
the french to catalog the relative fight effects of their men and units.

They knew, and they kept sending them in anyway. Until whole armies collapsed and/or mutinied.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:59 AM (cY3LT)

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It also depends on the nature of the fighting and the kind of downtime the troops get.

There's a case that part of the wanton drunkenness and pillage of old was basically troops self-medicating their PTSD.

When war became "civilized," commanders understood the importance of keeping their troops "in hand" and this was why you had all the elaborate protocols of "honors of war."

I think it was the siege of Badajoz (too lazy to look it up) where Wellington knew that if they took the town by storm, there would be no way to regain control of his troops until they wore themselves out with rape and slaughter.

Nowadays we train our forces to go out and fight fearlessly, but also be completely humane and thoughtful, tell them they shouldn't smoke, drink or chase women and then we scratch our heads when they get so wound up that they kill themselves.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 11:06 AM (cfSRQ)

249
Purple Prose - a limerick

For decorating a vagina you should style it
To engender romancing while twi-lit.
To heighten the mood
You should paint it real good
with an application of real Gentian Violet!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:07 AM (m45I2)

250 "Yo, Georgie my man!", or "I can't deal right now, I'm still processing this."?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (kQs4Y)

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Heh. I used to call Washington " G-Dubs" just because it got under my AP teachers skin. She hated that. But I was her best student, and RHIP.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:07 AM (5aX2M)

251 238
Oh and Peter Jackson's decision to turn The Hobbit movies dark and full of foreboding was a serious departure from the book.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at November 18, 2018 10:58 AM (nBr1j)

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I'd rather watch the Rankin-Bass version than his crap.

"The gre-a-a-a-test adven-turrrre!"

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 11:08 AM (cfSRQ)

252 Purple prose for a purple rose.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (kQs4Y)

253

Cool. This whole rearing the young thing can be simplified by production of mommy bots. NO need for anyone to be around, a fully customized mommy bot will take care of all the child's needs.

Skinner Box.
Newborn human infant put into the box; fed through a slot, hands change the diaper.

Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (hrcfq)

254 There's precious little worth watching these days.

Sad but true. I am glad that Amazon Prime now has old shows. By old I mean Cheers.

It became quite good after that talentless ShelleyLong left. She was a drag on the whole ensemble.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (bUjCl)

255 While we're talking about the importance of mothers and forming early attachments, anyone read the article in the sidebar on third world orphanages? Most of the orphans aren't orphans. It's become a lucrative child trafficking industry fueled by the generosity of American donors, to the detriment of the children placed there. Can these things ever be properly audited? What happens when your good deeds cause more harm than good? Potentially any project designed to help could be perverted like this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (/qEW2)

256

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (bUjCl)

257 not me !

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (bUjCl)

258 stop.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (/qEW2)

259 245
In Search of Ali ibn Abi Talib's Codex

History and Traditions of the Earliest Copy of the Qur'an (Foreword by James Piscatori)

by Seyfeddin Kara

$119

@#$%

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 18, 2018 11:04 AM (Bd9IC)

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The fireproof case costs extra.

As does the 24-security for the authors.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 11:10 AM (cfSRQ)

260 stop.
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Hammer time!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 11:10 AM (kQs4Y)

261
161 Farwell's book _The Great War in Africa_ is excellent, too. It's about World War I in East Africa. You are guaranteed to become a lifelong Von Lettow fanboy if you read it.

It also includes the epic saga of Lieutenant Spicer-Simpson, a.k.a. "The Real African Queen" who Fitzcarraldo-ed a squadron of torpedo boats overland into the African Lakes and defeated the German armed steamers there, all while wearing drag.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 10:27 AM (KqziQ)

Thanks Trimegistus (if that is your real name

) it sounds like it's right up my alley. Will look for a good copy on Amazon, Ebay or Abebooks... I did recently read "African Kaiser" by Robert Gaudi and enjoyed the story of Von Lettow's exploits in German East Africa ( I didn't enjoy Gaudi throwing in snide George W. Bush references in a book on WWI however....sigh...ruined the book for me... ) , so I will get your recommendation stat!! Farwell seems like the read deal as an historian as opposed to a leftist hack that cant keep contemporary politics out of a history book.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2018 11:11 AM (RgTXG)

262 Bill Mehar is starting to look like Oscar Wilde. Go for for it Billy. Oscar is right behind you all the way.

Posted by: klaftern at November 18, 2018 11:11 AM (RuIsu)

263 There are shedloads of research on this. A fighter
is only effective up to a certain, specific number of days in battle.
After that, he's useless.

We learned this during (and probably before) WWI. I think it might
be John Keegan's Face of Battle which details the meticulous efforts of
the french to catalog the relative fight effects of their men and units.

They knew, and they kept sending them in anyway. Until whole armies collapsed and/or mutinied.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 10:59 AM (cY3LT)

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It also depends on the nature of the fighting and the kind of downtime the troops get.

There's a case that part of the wanton drunkenness and pillage of old was basically troops self-medicating their PTSD.

When war became "civilized," commanders understood the importance of keeping their troops "in hand" and this was why you had all the elaborate protocols of "honors of war."

I think it was the siege of Badajoz (too lazy to look it up) where Wellington knew that if they took the town by storm, there would be no way to regain control of his troops until they wore themselves out with rape and slaughter.

Nowadays we train our forces to go out and fight fearlessly, but also be completely humane and thoughtful, tell them they shouldn't smoke, drink or chase women and then we scratch our heads when they get so wound up that they kill themselves.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 11:06 AM (cfSRQ)

Yes, and there's another factor which you sorta hit on, and I want to emphasize. It's the concept of front and rear...

Stop snickering, children.

Front, as in the battle front. You can't leave guys there too long, or they'll go mad. They HAVE to be able to be cycled back to the rear, where the danger is minimal, if not essentially gone completely. Back to civilization, in other words.

With all the increases in how warfare is conducted, the concept of a rear has become less and less possible.

So in Vietnam, for example, the cliche is, you can be on leave, in Saigon, or wherever, and some kid can knife you in an alley, or whatever. There was no rear.

Now we send these guys to Iraq and Afghanistan... hello! The front is everywhere... and yeah, you gotta practice gentrified warfare, roughly equivalent to being Sunday school teachers with guns.

It don't work that way.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 11:12 AM (cY3LT)

264 Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:09 AM (bUjC

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Uh oh, runner.

You know what time it is...

https://tinyurl.com/y795aj27

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:12 AM (5aX2M)

265 228 Linin sb Lenin; fucking autocucumber
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2018 10:54 AM (y7DUB)

In an alternate universe, Linin became a successful fabric manufacturer.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:12 AM (sdi6R)

266 Radical Son ...

Horowitz doesn't flinch from self-examination or
from looking at the psychology of his fellow Jews, most of whom were
entirely secular. To them, politics became their religion, whether on
the left or right. That meant that every struggle was existential and
therefore beyond normal rational thought. ....

The only complaint I have
is that he gets very personal and hearing about how his marriages came
apart is interesting, but also somewhat distracting from what I wanted
to know. Still, it's superbly written and as every bit as relevant as it was in 1997. Posted by AH Lloyd
I've only read pieces of that one of his ... the personal side may be distracting, but that personalizes the problem of the left's whole concept of an all powerful State. They demand servitude to BigBrother, which robs us of liberty and breaks up personal relationships with a Statist crowbar. (See Mueller and the FBIs long history of destroying whistle blowers, or the Panthers or jihadists at work on a societal level)

The state's demand to become god for "their serfs" seems persistent through history. I'm reading bits and pieces of "A Respectable Army, The Military Origins of the Republic." The Brits actually dared to call their 1774 legislation "The Coercive Acts", which seems to be a key act leading to the first Continental Congress.

Our DeepState has essentially regained Coercive Act powers, with Mueller persecuting/bankrupting those most involved in electing Donald Trump. With the Five Eyes involvement, it seems the Brits are once again involved in trying to Rule US. We should all be taking this very personally.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 11:13 AM (Cus5s)

267 My error was revealed yesterday when the book's author, Nina Burleigh, revealed herself to be an idiot by tweeting that all AR-15 owners are mass murderers.

To be fair, what she said as that all AR-15 owners that she knew about were mass murderers. Which is probably a true statement and says much more about her than it does about AR-15 owners.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 11:14 AM (qc+VF)

268
Cleaver never had shrinkage?

Posted by: G Costanza at November 18, 2018 11:14 AM (wvfPr)

269 So I guess Acosta is a cockmadaw? Hmmm, too long, he's just a cock.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 18, 2018 11:15 AM (9Om/r)

270 SOLUTION

Kp ^ Geo. 3 +
Q2 R D Champions +
B Ndroid +
Kn sezni! +

Check and mate, my friend.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 18, 2018 11:15 AM (LL1Be)

271 You know what time it is...

Not me! I won't go!! I hadn't finished my coffee ...!

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:16 AM (bUjCl)

272 Throughout the Old Testament (especially the story of Joshua) there are directives from Above that soldiers were to isolate themselves from "normal society" after battles to "cleanse" themselves.

I'm pretty sure this was so the soldiers could become somewhat normal again.

There's a theory about modern warfare (Vietnam forward) having screwed up a lot of soldiers by immediately after warfare bringing them back to society. In the world wars soldiers returned on ships that took much longer than a jet airplane ride home.

IDK.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 18, 2018 11:17 AM (0rzd6)

273 Here's a nice little article on Stan Lee from NR (yeah, yeah):

https://tinyurl.com/y7gvrnpq

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 11:17 AM (kQs4Y)

274 I just started reading the ebook version of Ann Coulter's Resistance is Futile. She basically chronicles the media's deceptive characterizations of President Trump's statements.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at November 18, 2018 11:17 AM (hSQF+)

275 Cleaver never had shrinkage?
Posted by: G Costanza at November 18, 2018 11:14 AM (wvfPr)

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Cleaver's soul was on ice... not his, you know...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:17 AM (5aX2M)

276 I don't know any mass murderers.
Sheltered, I guess.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 18, 2018 11:17 AM (LL1Be)

277 My error was revealed yesterday when the book's author, Nina Burleigh, revealed herself to be an idiot by tweeting that all AR-15 owners are mass murderers.
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To be fair, what she said as that all AR-15 owners that she knew about were mass murderers. Which is probably a true statement and says much more about her than it does about AR-15 owners.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 11:14 AM (qc+VF)

Don't know what you guys are talking about, but that name, Nina Burleigh... I remember it. Isn't she the one who said, famously, during the Clitton/Lewinsky scandal, that she would go down on Clitton every day, if it meant he would keep abortion legal?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 11:18 AM (cY3LT)

278 The Fairbairn was bought to make a set with the
Shanghai Municipal Police Colt 1903 .32 I have.

Fairbairn, the guy who invented close-quarter pistol
combat with semi-auto pistols, and trained the British
SAS and the OSS was a true badass.
Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 09:45 AM (rgquC)

retropox, are the dedicated .32 guy I see sometimes on the Gum Thread? I recently acquired an antique mystery gun at an antique mall. Appears to be a Chinese-made knockoff of an FN model 1900, but chambered for .30 Mauser.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 11:19 AM (fDU8w)

279 Two years later she mentions it to a friend who says 'Oh my god, you have to report that! It's sexual abuse!"

The insanity, will it ever end?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 18, 2018 11:20 AM (Tyii7)

280
Anyone else hearing that old song that goes like this:

hot diggity, dog diggity
boom what you do to me

====
Well, NOW I am.

Thanks a heap!

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at November 18, 2018 11:20 AM (bJU4Y)

281 The insanity, will it ever end?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 18, 2018 11:20 AM (Tyii7)

Oh yes.

Bigly

Posted by: The Four Horsemen at November 18, 2018 11:21 AM (0rzd6)

282 There's a theory about modern warfare (Vietnam forward) having screwed up a lot of soldiers by immediately after warfare bringing them back to society.

=

Wouldn't reception itself, how Vietnam Veterans have been treated upon return, have something to do with it ? You are conscripted, sent to do something commanded by powers that be. You do it. You come back, and those same powers are letting you take the blame for their folly - you are the fall guy.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:21 AM (bUjCl)

283 To be fair, what she said as that all AR-15 owners that she knew about were mass murderers.

I long ago threw fairness out the window and three blocks down the street when dealing with these lunatics.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 18, 2018 11:22 AM (Tyii7)

284 It's a betrayal. Betrayals are hard to live with.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:23 AM (bUjCl)

285 Wouldn't reception itself, how Vietnam Veterans have
been treated upon return, have something to do with it ? You are
conscripted, sent to do something commanded by powers that be. You do
it. You come back, and those same powers are letting you take the blame
for their folly - you are the fall guy.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:21 AM (bUjCl)

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John Rambo certainly felt that way.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 11:23 AM (cfSRQ)

286 Farwell seems like the read deal as an historian

....errrr.... REAL deal not read deal*....

* Looks around for the edit button

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2018 11:23 AM (RgTXG)

287 John Rambo certainly felt that way.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 11:23 AM (cfSRQ)

He made a lot of money, though ! Wait, that was Stalone. Never mind.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:24 AM (bUjCl)

288 Don't know what you guys are talking about, but that name, Nina Burleigh... I remember it. Isn't she the one who said, famously, during the Clitton/Lewinsky scandal, that she would go down on Clitton every day, if it meant he would keep abortion legal?

Yep, that's her. I could be confusing her with another Billy Jefff fan-girl posing as A Serious Journalist but I think she also wrote some sadly laughable bit about being at a dinner table with BJ and fantasizing that he was flirting with her. Yes, we certainly should let these people tell the rest of us how to run our lives.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 11:24 AM (qc+VF)

289 Top pic: In a dystopian future after only SJW screeds, gurrrll power, Becoming Michelle Obama, What Happened etc were put out in hardcover by a generation of publishers: a surviving remnant of humanity uses those tomes as furniture and fuel.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 18, 2018 11:24 AM (pHzbJ)

290 Don't know what you guys are talking about, but that name, Nina Burleigh... I remember it. Isn't she the one who said, famously, during the Clitton/Lewinsky scandal, that she would go down on Clitton every day, if it meant he would keep abortion legal?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2018 11:18 AM (cY3LT)

The very same.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at November 18, 2018 11:25 AM (JAhKD)

291 282 There's a theory about modern warfare (Vietnam forward) having screwed up a lot of soldiers by immediately after warfare bringing them back to society.

=

Wouldn't reception itself, how Vietnam Veterans have been treated upon return, have something to do with it ? You are conscripted, sent to do something commanded by powers that be. You do it. You come back, and those same powers are letting you take the blame for their folly - you are the fall guy.
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:21 AM (bUjCl)

Actually... the worst is that you go through it... go through hell to win.

And then Politicians make your victory and sacrifice meaningless.

Want to actually 'Support our Troops'? Don't send them to foreign lands to fight and die for nothing.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 18, 2018 11:26 AM (NgKpN)

292 > retropox, are the dedicated .32 guy I see sometimes on the Gum Thread? I recently acquired an antique mystery gun at an antique mall. Appears to be a Chinese-made knockoff of an FN model 1900, but chambered for .30 Mauser.

That would be me. And not too far up the road from AJ... where you were/are?

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 11:27 AM (rgquC)

293 my mom was a fan of gentian violet
she painted my neck blue when I got mumps

we also got merthiolate on our wounds (is that banned now?)

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 11:27 AM (XZ3Gp)

294 The Chinee made lots of copies of the 1900.

Never saw a .30 Mauser version

But some had a fake Mauser logo on the side;
they were all .32acp like the rest though.
Bet that's what it is.

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 11:29 AM (rgquC)

295 To get back on thread, I am just finishing up Reminiscences of the Civil War, and autobiography by Major General John B. Gordon of the Confederacy. An interesting perspective of the war, written years after it's conclusion.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 18, 2018 11:30 AM (Tyii7)

296 280
Anyone else hearing that old song that goes like this:

hot diggity, dog diggity
boom what you do to me

====
Well, NOW I am.

Thanks a heap!
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at November 18, 2018 11:20 AM (bJU4Y)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jVECp5Dzp4

You're welcome.

Yeah, my parents had that on a record when I was a kid.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:30 AM (sdi6R)

297 They'd be able to tell if they were clean before. Somehow.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 10:07 AM (t+qrx)

Every police agency has an expert in Forensic Skidmark Analysis.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 11:30 AM (fDU8w)

298 ...its conclusion. Hate it when I do that.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 18, 2018 11:31 AM (Tyii7)

299 surviving remnant of humanity uses those tomes as furniture and fuel.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 18, 2018 11:24 AM (pHzbJ)

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The part of The Day After Tomorrow that annoyed more than any other, was the heavy handed metaphor where they're trapped in the main branch of the NYC Public Library, and they begin burning the books for warmth.

In a building with a couple million board feet of oaken finishes and furniture.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:31 AM (5aX2M)

300 Actually... the worst is that you go through it... go through hell to win.

And then Politicians make your victory and sacrifice meaningless.

Want to actually 'Support our Troops'? Don't send them to foreign lands to fight and die for nothing.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 18, 2018 11:26 AM (NgKpN)

Having a fully volunteer force makes a lot of difference. Was not the case with Vietnam. Changed the political conversation too.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:31 AM (bUjCl)

301 "With all the increases in how warfare is conducted, the concept of a rear has become less and less possible. .... The front
is everywhere... Posted by: BurtTC

thanks for this discussion ... I know nothing of military front lines, but I think the PsyOp warfare of the cold war has infiltrated our daily lives now. The Soviet era march through our institutions has enable them to now get us fired for non-PC language, or even for a MAGA hat. Trump won, but the attacks only ramped up even more, leaving us still in the fight for our lives.

The "get in their faces" even at Thanksgiving (thanks Obama) has moved the PsyOp front line right into our living rooms, in many cases. They infiltrate through social media, and tech has left little room to escape. But periods away from that "front line" (via gardening, pets, movies) are the necessary down time between battles.

To me if we don't win the PsyOp warfare (ongoing, and "we" already lost major institutions) ... then we won't be fighting the wars in other lands for any real purpose, except maybe "our communism is better than your communism".

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 11:33 AM (Cus5s)

302 my mom was a fan of gentian violet
she painted my neck blue when I got mumps

we also got merthiolate on our wounds

********

Yeah, I'm not sure I am a fan of the modern day, invisible, odor-free ointment cures.

How can you tell if something is working if it doesn't stink like Mentholatum or glow in the dark like Mercurachrome!!!!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:33 AM (m45I2)

303 we also got merthiolate on our wounds (is that banned now?)

Don't know if it's been banned but I haven't heard of it in a long time. My folks used that and Mercurochrome, which if you just listen to the syllables in the name should have warned you. Both would stain your skin red but one of them burned like a b*tch. I don't remember which one.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 11:33 AM (qc+VF)

304 Even volunteers should not be sent to fight and not allowed to win.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:34 AM (sdi6R)

305 retropox, are the dedicated .32 guy I see sometimes
on the Gum Thread? I recently acquired an antique mystery gun at an
antique mall. Appears to be a Chinese-made knockoff of an FN model 1900,
but chambered for .30 Mauser.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 11:19 AM (fDU8w)

AOP, I am told that from the early 30's until the Japanese Imperial government complained, there was a lot of interaction between the Germans and the Chinese - mostly for raw material, and a big item in trade was Chinese made knockoffs of pistols in German cartridges. Some were hand-made one offs and some were actual small shop production items.

A good indicator is really weird proof marks, irregular spacing and poor spelling in the engraving.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 18, 2018 11:34 AM (mUa7G)

306 Still working on the audio version of "War and Peace."

May finish by Christmas. Prolly not.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 18, 2018 11:35 AM (0rzd6)

307 Even volunteers should not be sent to fight and not allowed to win.
Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:34 AM (sdi6R)

...a la Baracky O'Cracky. I agree. But socialism demanded destruction of that one institution that held out.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:36 AM (bUjCl)

308 Both would stain your skin red but one of them burned like a b*tch.

******

That's the other way you KNOW it's working. Blow on it! Blow on it! Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. Thanks Mom!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:37 AM (m45I2)

309 ..and that's one of many reasons we got Trump....

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:37 AM (bUjCl)

310 They infiltrate through social media, and tech has left little room to escape.
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Do some research on the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group.

It's GCHQ, but they work hand in glove with NSA on that PsyOp front. Shaping the human terrain, they call it.

I am certain they are here, they'd be remiss if they weren't, and I always have fun trying to figure out who. AoS duty has to be fucking thankless.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:37 AM (5aX2M)

311 308 Both would stain your skin red but one of them burned like a b*tch.

******

That's the other way you KNOW it's working. Blow on it! Blow on it! Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. Thanks Mom!
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:37 AM (m45I2)

IIRC they were effective as they were but people thought they didn't because there was no sensation. So they added alcohol.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

312
Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."

I wanted to see how a small(er) force could win against a numerically superior enemy. Then tried to reconcile this fictional account with historical accounts like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Then try to extend the conclusions to a future conflict between a powerful Progressive/Liberal take over of the Federal Government and some degree of control over local government and a smaller conservative/patriotic irregular disorganized militia.

There seem to be too many variables to predict the outcome of such a conflict if you throw in the Revolution in Russia in 1917 and in China.

For one, the smaller force requires fanatical devotion to the idea of rebellion and we already know that modern conservatives can't agree on anything.

Heinlein is almost always interesting but it is fiction, and the author controls events and behavior. Real life isn't like that. Same with Hollywood movies; they're fiction.

The future is uncertain.

Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (hrcfq)

313 Didn't *work* because

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (NWiLs)

314 Kindltot:
A good indicator is really weird proof marks,
irregular spacing and poor spelling in the
engraving.

Exactly right.

FN1900's slide logo would often read:
Fabrique Nationale reprated 3 times.
Many of them had the exact same serial number, too.

And often, a curved backstrap, unlike the original.

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (rgquC)

315 307 Even volunteers should not be sent to fight and not allowed to win.
Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:34 AM (sdi6R)

...a la Baracky O'Cracky. I agree. But socialism demanded destruction of that one institution that held out.
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:36 AM (bUjCl)

George W. Bush bears significant responsibility for restrictive rules of engagement, as well as the increase in Muslim immigration after 9/11. Neither of those things started with Obama.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (sdi6R)

316 Heinlein is almost always interesting but it is fiction, and the author controls events and behavior. Real life isn't like that. Same with Hollywood movies; they're fiction.

The future is uncertain.
Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (hrcfq)

And the end is always near

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (NWiLs)

317 repeated three times. sheesh.

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (rgquC)

318 Both would stain your skin red but one of them burned like a b*tch.

******

That's the other way you KNOW it's working. Blow on it! Blow on it!

==

That's what I've been told, too !

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (bUjCl)

319 Our interventions abroad are a big dilemma.

Do you spend your own young men's lives, plus tons of money, fighting groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda so that European shits can act morally superior for not lifting a finger, while "allies" like Pakistan deliberately aid your enemies?

Or do you withdraw and let China and Russia establish hegemony over key parts of the world?

Personally, I think that if we have to have an empire, let's run it at a profit. Tax the pants off the Afghans, take home half of Iraq's oil production at zero cost, and make the Gulf states bear ALL the cost for supporting our forces in the region.

Maybe, if it's harsh enough, they'll decide that it's easier to simply keep their own houses in order.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 11:40 AM (KqziQ)

320 IIRC they were effective as they were but people thought they didn't because there was no sensation. So they added alcohol.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

That's why I always use hydrogen peroxide for cat scratches. Not for the sensation, but because the foaming makes me feel like it's doing something. It's like Rice Krispies for scratches.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 11:40 AM (t+qrx)

321 YD. Yup that would offend me too. My first instinct on the top picture is "such disrespect for books" but I turned it around to "there are a lot of tomes that do deserve such treatment being printed these days"

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 18, 2018 11:41 AM (pHzbJ)

322 That's why I always use hydrogen peroxide for cat scratches. Not for the sensation, but because the foaming makes me feel like it's doing something. It's like Rice Krispies for scratches.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 11:40 AM (t+qrx)

Snap crackle and YEEEOUCH!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:41 AM (NWiLs)

323 That's the other way you KNOW it's working. Blow on it! Blow on it! Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. Thanks Mom!

Yeah, that's where I started to doubt the omniscience of parents. Hey, we're going to hide a crushed up aspirin in a spoonful of jelly or honey or something? I'll go along with that. Parents know what they're doing.

You're going to paint the place that hurts with red shit that makes it hurt worse? Lemme see your degrees! You're just a freaking mother who studied English Lit. Who told you that red fire paint was good for wounds?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 18, 2018 11:41 AM (fuK7c)

324 My youngest was with the neighbor for three years 4 days a week. Then I stayed home with them for the next 15 years. Have a well adjusted Civil Engineer and a Mechanical Engineer student living alone and cooking and shopping for himself. My my, must have done something right.

Posted by: Loveulongtime at November 18, 2018 11:41 AM (mdg8n)

325 Cockmadaw

Is this where we get "don't get cocky" from?

apologize if already addressed. Did not scan all 300+ previous comments.

Posted by: Horus Heresy at November 18, 2018 11:43 AM (DB16e)

326 That's why I always use hydrogen peroxide for cat scratches.

********

So if we could discover an inert substance that has mildly bacteriostatic properties,glows in the dark, stinks to high heaven, stings like a muthah and foams prodigiously we could find a ready market for it.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:43 AM (m45I2)

327 Wow The final chapter of the Choir Director came out today. Funny books!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 18, 2018 11:44 AM (JFO2v)

328 So if we could discover an inert substance that has mildly bacteriostatic properties,glows in the dark, stinks to high heaven, stings like a muthah and foams prodigiously we could find a ready market for it.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:43 AM (m45I2)

Why are you not taking my money already? It's right here.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 11:44 AM (t+qrx)

329 IIRC they were effective as they were but people thought they didn't because there was no sensation. So they added alcohol.

Hooray for the Marketing Division! Douglas Adams was right about those guys too. (Obligatory book reference achievement for the day)

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 11:45 AM (qc+VF)

330 Hurt myself once while on vaca in Mexico - they gave me half a lime - disinfection, and a leaf of aloe to soothe. Ever used lime juice on an open would ? Try it. Make sure you have an aloe leaf handy.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:45 AM (bUjCl)

331 Posted by: Loveulongtime at November 18, 2018 11:41 AM (mdg8n)

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My parents did damn good with us.

Except for the cooking. They are such good cooks that there was zero incentive for us to learn. In fact, I made it a point to live nearby just so I could get a decent meal here and there.

Now, I'm teaching myself to cook, and finding that I really like it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:45 AM (5aX2M)

332 330 Hurt myself once while on vaca in Mexico - they gave me half a lime - disinfection, and a leaf of aloe to soothe. Ever used lime juice on an open would ? Try it. Make sure you have an aloe leaf handy.
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:45 AM (bUjCl)

I can imagine. Here's a fun one: pour straight rubbing alcohol on road rash.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (NWiLs)

333 Personally, I think that if we have to have an empire, let's run it at a profit. Tax the pants off the Afghans, take home half of Iraq's oil production at zero cost, and make the Gulf states bear ALL the cost for supporting our forces in the region.

Maybe, if it's harsh enough, they'll decide that it's easier to simply keep their own houses in order.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 11:40 AM (KqziQ)

For me its even more stupid.

We had a chance to destroy the Opium poppy production in Afghanistan. We didn't. In fact by helping with their irrigation infrastructure it has INCREASED... paid for by the American Tax dollar.

Our weakness not only is stupid, it at times creates more problems than it solves.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (NgKpN)

334

Iodine?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (9lyhM)

335 Both would stain your skin red but one of them burned like a b*tch. I don't remember which one.

Never show Mom your cuts! She was like Wyatt Earp with the merthiolate. Now I probably wouldn't trust anything that didn't hurt.

Posted by: t-bird at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (C78No)

336 George W. Bush bears significant responsibility for restrictive rules of
engagement, as well as the increase in Muslim immigration after 9/11.
Neither of those things started with Obama.
=====

From here in the cheap seats, I never understood why we took over Afghanistan from Russia and the Russians must have laughed the whole time. Why invade Iraq rather than Iran for terrorism?

Incomprehensible for me sitting in the peanut gallery. What do we get out of this.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 11:47 AM (MIKMs)

337
Hurt myself once while on vaca in Mexico - they gave me half a lime - ...

And a shot of Tequila?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 11:47 AM (9lyhM)

338 330 Hurt myself once while on vaca in Mexico - they gave me half a lime - disinfection, and a leaf of aloe to soothe. Ever used lime juice on an open would ? Try it. Make sure you have an aloe leaf handy.
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:45 AM (bUjCl)

The old ways are the best ways.

*raises a glass to Palp*

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:47 AM (sdi6R)

339 Heinlein is almost always interesting but it is
fiction, and the author controls events and behavior. Real life isn't
like that. Same with Hollywood movies; they're fiction.

The future is uncertain.
Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (hrcfq)

War is traditionally a way to control territory and bankrupt your enemy, traditionally wars end when your enemy can either no long field an army against you, or resist your advances.

However if you can destroy or hamper your enemy's will to resist or keep fighting you have done the same thing. One of the traditional ways, going back to the French Revolution, was to get your enemy to believe that there is no real difference between the sides at the rank and file and civilian level, and the true enemies are the politicians and industrialists. This works better if you can sow dissent at the politician level, where it becomes an internal struggle in your enemy's top levels for control. This is what happened in the Napoleonic wars (at times) and in Russia.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 18, 2018 11:48 AM (mUa7G)

340 The part of The Day After Tomorrow that annoyed more than any other, was the heavy handed metaphor where they're trapped in the main branch of the NYC Public Library, and they begin burning the books for warmth.

In a building with a couple million board feet of oaken finishes and furniture.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:31 AM

What annoyed me the most was that somehow, miraculously they went by snowshoes from the DC area to NY in one day. Uh, yeah at 3 mph (an exceptional speed with snowshoes) it would take 75 hours nonstop.

It was weather porn. Kinda like the other kind, I expected it to lack reality.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 18, 2018 11:48 AM (e7O7B)

341 Aren't you supposed to pour salt on the wound before the squeezing in the lime? Or is the tequila in there somewhere

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 18, 2018 11:48 AM (z2W2E)

342 301: I just don't invite libs for the holidays. Their promise of "debate" at the dinner table, MY dinner table and My expense, made it clear that I had to cut them loose. One pair thought I would relent, and bitched as they had no other plans. I suggested they head to a restaurant as I had no intention of putting up with "get in their faces". No idea what they're doing this year, don't care

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 11:48 AM (U7k5w)

343 I can imagine. Here's a fun one: pour straight rubbing alcohol on road rash.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (NWiLs)

Thanks, doc. Maybe another time....

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:49 AM (bUjCl)

344 George W. Bush bears significant responsibility for restrictive rules of engagement,

-
He wanted to make war heck.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 11:50 AM (+y/Ru)

345 Never show Mom your cuts! She was like Wyatt Earp with the merthiolate. Now I probably wouldn't trust anything that didn't hurt.
Posted by: t-bird at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (C78No)

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Mine was like that with mecurichrome, now banned of course. You get a cut or scrape, it was getting painted red.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 18, 2018 11:50 AM (ffYR/)

346 And a shot of Tequila?
Posted by: Soothsayer

Maybe...

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:50 AM (bUjCl)

347 My parents, well...

I take comfort that they died before they see how they didn't do a good job.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at November 18, 2018 11:50 AM (Uiz/V)

348 I can imagine. Here's a fun one: pour straight rubbing alcohol on road rash.

While scrubbing with a brush to get all the sand out. I've heard that's a real thing, but I've blanked the experiences from my memory.

Posted by: t-bird at November 18, 2018 11:51 AM (Y9zp1)

349 Much of the field of medicine is "treating" self-limited conditions. So as long as your "treatment" doesn't cause harm, you can't go wrong. The best pediatricians know how to time their "treatment" so that the self-limited condition improves at just the right time so that the pediatrician gets the credit.

"The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." - Voltaire

(Now we're back on books)

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:53 AM (m45I2)

350 The old ways are the best ways.

*raises a glass to Palp*
Posted by: rickl

Slap hot iron to it ! Come to think of it, if they had hot iron handy they might have tried that one too...

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:53 AM (bUjCl)

351 Here's a fun one: pour straight rubbing alcohol on road rash.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (NWiLs)

Pre-law, pre-med, what's the difference?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 11:54 AM (qc+VF)

352 You know who's the definition of a pussivanting cockmadaw?

Cap'n Bill, that's who.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:54 AM (5aX2M)

353
You get a cut or scrape, it was getting painted red.

Like the Scarlet Letter, it was a message to the other kids: Be careful, urchins!

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 11:54 AM (9lyhM)

354 Bactine! Supposed to be ouchless. The only one that worked with my kids (and even now that they are grownups) is the bacitracin (?) ointment.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 11:55 AM (MIKMs)

355 "How can you tell if something is working if it doesn't stink like Mentholatum or glow in the dark like Mercurachrome!!!Posted by Muldoon

great products ... Mentholatum is now Japanese owned ... its founder was quite a philanthropist, back in a day when business success often led to genuine philanthropy.

But now the biggest "charities" are frauds like the Clinton Foundation or even RedCross or others, that are actually pushing social justice or just acting as a money laundering operation.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 11:56 AM (Cus5s)

356 Crashed and burned on my moped when I was 14...wicked road rash on right leg below knee. I put a few drops of pool water (chlorine ) on a tiny portion. ...the pain was unforgettable.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 18, 2018 11:56 AM (OOH1c)

357 >>Our DeepState has essentially regained Coercive Act powers, with Mueller persecuting/bankrupting those most involved in electing Donald Trump. With the Five Eyes involvement, it seems the Brits are once again involved in trying to Rule US. We should all be taking this very personally.

I don't think its the UK trying to rule the US. I think it's a worldwide group of globalists who are tied together through various organizations such as intel groups and think tanks like the US Council on Foreign Relations and the European Council on Foreign Relations.

They've been seeking to impose a New World Order on us for years using various techniques including worldwide policies such as AGW, etc.. Borders and nationalism are anathema to these people. They see us as a worldwide collective that they control.

Incidentally, the European Council on Foreign Relations is only about a decade old. It was started largely with financing from George Soros who also lavishes money on the US based Council on Foreign Relations which served as model for the European version and has been advising US administrations on foreign policy and providing a large part of the senior staffing for US administrations on both sides of the aisle for decades.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2018 11:56 AM (/tuJf)

358 My parents did damn good with us.

Except for the cooking. They are such good cooks that there was zero
incentive for us to learn. In fact, I made it a point to live nearby
just so I could get a decent meal here and there.

Now, I'm teaching myself to cook, and finding that I really like it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2018 11:45 AM (5aX2M)

My grandmother was the Italian cook from hell. She could make a shoe taste amazing. When she started getting really old I sent the wife to work side by side with her to learn how to make her red gravy so it didn't get lost. Its a good thing too, because as it turned out my grandmother's own daughters never learned how to do it. After my granny died it turns out that the wife was the only female in the family that knew how to do it, and she had to tell my aunts how to do it. We used to call my grandmother's stove the Eternal Flame, because it was always going. That zero incentive thing was strong around her.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 18, 2018 11:56 AM (9Om/r)

359 So if we could discover an inert substance that has
mildly bacteriostatic properties,glows in the dark, stinks to high
heaven, stings like a muthah and foams prodigiously we could find a
ready market for it.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 11:43 AM (m45I2)

*ahem*

Asafetida.

infused in alcohol or just pounded in with lard and olive oil

Posted by: Kindltot - releasing his inner apothecary at November 18, 2018 11:57 AM (mUa7G)

360 Pussivanting pusillanimous pussyfooting cockmadaws!

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:58 AM (bUjCl)

361 330 Hurt myself once while on vaca in Mexico - they gave me half a lime - disinfection, and a leaf of aloe to soothe. Ever used lime juice on an open would ? Try it. Make sure you have an aloe leaf handy.
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 11:45 AM (bUjCl)

when I was a teen I got a hot cooking oil splash on my thigh that immediately blistered, my friend squashed a tomato obto it as a remedy

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 11:58 AM (XZ3Gp)

362 That would be me. And not too far up the road from AJ... where you were/are?
Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 11:27 AM (rgquC)

I am at home in Alberta right now, but the pistol is at my house in AJ. I will be back down there in the new year for a spell. We should try to meet up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 11:58 AM (fDU8w)

363 319
Our interventions abroad are a big dilemma.

Do you spend your own young men's lives, plus tons of money,
fighting groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda so that European shits can act
morally superior for not lifting a finger, while "allies" like Pakistan
deliberately aid your enemies?
---
I was truly baffled by what the Bush administration was doing. I figured it would be like the old punitive expeditions: you go in, wreck the joint, and prop up a leader who promises to keep a lid on things.

Instead, we tried to make Vermont in the Hindu Kush. These people were exposed to all the great civilizations of history, a crossroads of the world.

And yet they still are completely savage.

Take the hint already.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 11:59 AM (cfSRQ)

364 132: I didn't like any of the characters in Handful of Dust, but then I was no fan of the ones in Brideshead either. Waugh typically did not sugarcoat his characters by minimizing their flaws or the consequences of their actions. Charles Rider is not, by any means, a hero. Nobody is really presented as a big victim either, just people who deal with the consequences of choices.

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 11:59 AM (U7k5w)

365 348 I can imagine. Here's a fun one: pour straight rubbing alcohol on road rash.

While scrubbing with a brush to get all the sand out. I've heard that's a real thing, but I've blanked the experiences from my memory.
Posted by: t-bird at November 18, 2018 11:51 AM (Y9zp1)

Omigosh. Ouch.

Posted by: m at November 18, 2018 12:00 PM (vcxAT)

366 Antiseptics are too ham handed. We need to replicate the tech of the immune system where surgical strikes can be carried out to target individual bacteria or viruses based on the proteins in their cell walls. Other than that, of course it has to hurt. That's how you know it's killing the bacteria.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2018 12:00 PM (/qEW2)

367 Pussivanting pusillanimous pussyfooting cockmadaws!

I wanted to get that as a tattoo but the tattooist said that the only place I had enough room was around my waist.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 12:01 PM (qc+VF)

368 One of the grandfathers of Pediatric medicine, Dr. Henry Silver (rest his soul) used to give a lecture to residents and med students about his approach to the cure of infant colc. The process included a list of about 25 suggested treatments such as:

Lay the baby next to a hot water bottle.
Let the baby drink an ounce of sugar water
Bounce the baby on your knee
Elevate the head of the baby's bed slightly
etc.
etc.

In practice thisd consisted of choosing an item from the list and instructing the parents to try it for one week. If that didn't cure the colic call back in a week. When they call back, give them another item from the list, if it doesn't work, call back in a week. And so on. Before you get to the end of the list the baby will have outgrown the colic phase. Voila!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:01 PM (m45I2)

369 when I was a teen I got a hot cooking oil splash on my thigh that immediately blistered, my friend squashed a tomato obto it as a remedy
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 11:58 AM (XZ3Gp)

Did it help ? seriously, did it ?

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 12:01 PM (bUjCl)

370 George W. Bush bears significant responsibility for restrictive rules of engagement, as well as the increase in Muslim immigration after 9/11.

Neither of those things started with Obama.
Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 11:39 AM (sdi6R)

Right. I think it started in Vietnam. Your unit would capture some piece of real estate, take casualties, and then you'd have to pull back because that's what the U.S. negotiators in Paris agreed to. All of your dead friends in your unit giving their lives for, literally, nothing. I can't imagine anything more disheartening and morale-sapping.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at November 18, 2018 12:01 PM (JAhKD)

371 But some had a fake Mauser logo on the side;
they were all .32acp like the rest though.
Bet that's what it is.
Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 11:29 AM (rgquC)

No logos at all, just a serial number. Bore at muzzle is too small to be .32, and you can see the step in the chamber for a bottle-neck cartridge. Also magazine is long enough, front to rear, to hold a 25 mm long cartridge.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 12:02 PM (fDU8w)

372 That picture at the top of the thread, those people have a hell of a hording problem

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2018 12:02 PM (SiINZ)

373 U.S. Council on Foreign Relations circa 1920, they've been a nasty bunch since their inception.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2018 12:02 PM (yshTX)

374 And so on. Before you get to the end of the list the baby will have outgrown the colic phase. Voila!
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:01 PM (m45I2)

Have they determined yet what baby colic actually is?

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at November 18, 2018 12:03 PM (JAhKD)

375
When a dog gets sprayed by a Skunk, you're supposed to throw tomato soup on the skunk.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 12:04 PM (9lyhM)

376 My grandmother was the Italian cook from hell. She could make a shoe taste amazing.

********

Did she ever make Fillet of Sole?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:04 PM (m45I2)

377 Incidentally, the European Council on Foreign Relations is only about a decade old. It was started largely with financing from George Soros who also lavishes money on the US based Council on Foreign Relations which served as model for the European version and has been advising US administrations on foreign policy and providing a large part of the senior staffing for US administrations on both sides of the aisle for decades.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2018 11:56 AM

I immediately thought you should use 'both sides of the isle' because of the European to US connection but upon reading closer you're referring to US administrations which would refer to inside chambers.

So nevermind. Old proofreading habits are hard to break.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 18, 2018 12:04 PM (e7O7B)

378 Right. I think it started in Vietnam. Your unit would capture some piece
of real estate, take casualties, and then you'd have to pull back
because that's what the U.S. negotiators in Paris agreed to. All of your
dead friends in your unit giving their lives for, literally, nothing. I
can't imagine anything more disheartening and morale-sapping.
=====

Korea.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (MIKMs)

379 Please stop mentioning Brideshead Revisited. It's very triggering.

Posted by: Brad Pitt in Se7en at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (/qEW2)

380 just pounded in with lard and olive oil

+++

I'm not pounding lard into a cut sorry

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (z2W2E)

381 >>>370 George W. Bush bears significant responsibility for restrictive rules of engagement, ...

Robert (remember the Edsel) McNamera

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (yshTX)

382
Have they determined yet what baby colic actually is?

*****

Yes. It's bad miasmas and/or gremlins leaving the body.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (m45I2)

383 Any love for James Fenimore Cooper here? I've read the "greats", but might have won, at auction, a 26 volume set. Any recs beyond Last of the Mohicans, The Pathfinder, and The Deerslayer are welcome. The books are beautiful and will likely be mine

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (U7k5w)

384 375: Depending on the temperature of the soup it might work

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:07 PM (U7k5w)

385 "We had a chance to destroy the Opium poppy
production in Afghanistan. We didn't. In fact by helping with their
irrigation infrastructure it has INCREASED... paid for by the American
Tax dollar.

Our weakness not only is stupid, it at times creates more problems than it solves.Posted by: Don Q

imo those billions in profits were a known "wealth redistribution" scheme, and those middle men that deliver and distribute the drugs are in bed with DeepState, if they are not our own CIA directly running the drugs (Air America). Same story on our border ... it is not just the CoCs, it is the black markets.

that may be a little too "conspiracy theory" minded, but imo much of the world is a black market operation behind the scenes, as we see with many of the narco states to our south. We could stop much of it ... yet zero funding for a wall or real border security.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 12:08 PM (Cus5s)

386 If you are reading Waugh for the first time shouldn't it be called "Brideshead Visited"?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:08 PM (m45I2)

387 378 Right. I think it started in Vietnam. Your unit would capture some piece
of real estate, take casualties, and then you'd have to pull back
because that's what the U.S. negotiators in Paris agreed to. All of your
dead friends in your unit giving their lives for, literally, nothing. I
can't imagine anything more disheartening and morale-sapping.
=====

Korea.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (MIKMs)

Yep, Korea. The first war where the United States operated under United Nations rules, and Congress never formally declared war.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 12:08 PM (sdi6R)

388 Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 09:55 AM

I'm a big fan of the book ( twice read, every movie made) Tolstoy is supposed to have wanted to make the story about the children of Prince Andrei and Pierre and their revolutionary escapades. Glad he didn't.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 12:09 PM (6VrXf)

389
Yes. It's bad miasmas and/or gremlins leaving the body.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (m45I2)
------
Ace was suffering from an imbalance in his bodily humors recently.

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:09 PM (MVjcR)

390 351 Here's a fun one: pour straight rubbing alcohol on road rash.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (NWiLs)

Pre-law, pre-med, what's the difference?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 11:54 AM (qc+VF)

Heh. I've actually done this. To myself. It was the only antiseptic I had available, so after washing with soap and water to get the debris out, I poured the rubbing alcohol on. It was...intense.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2018 12:09 PM (NWiLs)

391 had a chance to destroy the Opium poppy
production in Afghanistan. We didn't. In fact by helping with their
irrigation infrastructure it has INCREASED

+++

Fine. Give me some.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 18, 2018 12:10 PM (z2W2E)

392 364
132: I didn't like any of the characters in Handful of Dust, but then I
was no fan of the ones in Brideshead either. Waugh typically did not
sugarcoat his characters by minimizing their flaws or the consequences
of their actions. Charles Rider is not, by any means, a hero. Nobody is
really presented as a big victim either, just people who deal with the
consequences of choices.

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 11:59 AM (U7k5w)

---
I think that's what makes them effective.

Charles Ryder is really a hollow person, every bit as stunted as Rex Mottram, who he despises.

The book is about how he finds that "other half," which is faith.

If you go through his books, he uses a lot of recurring characters to flesh them out. Some are cads, some are cucks, some are just sort of there, which is very realistic. He sometimes exaggerates things for comic effect, but what I like about him is he keeps things reasonably plausible.

I have a much easier time identifying with Charles Ryder than some flawless, faultlessly brave warrior-hero. I might enjoy reading their exploits, but I don't learn much from the experience.

Same with Guy Crouchback, the protagonist in "Sword of Honour." I really identified with him.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 12:10 PM (cfSRQ)

393
Speaking of imbalances...

ever have Crystals in your head fall out of your head and get lodged in your ear canal?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 12:11 PM (9lyhM)

394 OT: Cleveland is interested in interviewing Condi Rice for head coach. ?! Maybe it's like Usain Bolt's audition in Australia- nice publicity, but there's no real chance of success.

Posted by: t-bird at November 18, 2018 12:11 PM (g0Lfb)

395 383
Any love for James Fenimore Cooper here? I've read the "greats", but
might have won, at auction, a 26 volume set. Any recs beyond Last of the
Mohicans, The Pathfinder, and The Deerslayer are welcome. The books are
beautiful and will likely be mine

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (U7k5w)

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No.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 12:11 PM (cfSRQ)

396 >>>as we see with many of the narco states to our south. We could stop much of it ... yet zero funding for a wall or real border security.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 12:08 PM (Cus5s)

The various thugocracies inability to work together is one of our greatest defenses.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2018 12:12 PM (yshTX)

397 Since I frequently work alone with sharp tools at WeaselAcres, I have a rather extensive first aid kit. You never get used to flushing scrapes and cuts with alcohol!

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:12 PM (MVjcR)

398 Crystals in your head

+++

Fucking droids.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 18, 2018 12:12 PM (z2W2E)

399 >>I immediately thought you should use 'both sides of the isle' because of the European to US connection but upon reading closer you're referring to US administrations which would refer to inside chambers.

Oh it's definitely both sides of the aisle here in the US. Thus people like Max Boot, who like John Brennan and countless others of various administrations, is a member of the CFR. This is where there allegiance lies, to an international globalist philosophy that is much more important to them than a political party or even their own countries core interests.

Trump is an existential threat to these globalists. And so are we.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2018 12:13 PM (/tuJf)

400 Yes. It's bad miasmas and/or gremlins leaving the body.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (m45I2)

Trepanning isn't popular these days, but it beats a hole in the head.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 12:13 PM (t+qrx)

401 Aren't Mercurochrome and Merthiolate both trade names for basically the same complex salt of mercury?

I remember a chemical stunt I did as a kid: in an aluminum foil cup (like from a butter tart) put some water, some baking soda, and a slug of mercurochrome. Drop a shiny copper penny into the solution, and boil it. Causes the penny to be electroplated with shiny mercury by galvanic action.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 12:14 PM (fDU8w)

402

I hate fucking droids.

And chimps.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 12:14 PM (9lyhM)

403 392: I agree. If Charles had been portrayed as the soul of honor, the book would have been diminished. And Charles would have seemed delusional

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:14 PM (U7k5w)

404 OK, so what happens if that authoress had gone on GMA vs the hostile interviewer and said:

"hey thanks for having me on. Just before we went to air, you told me to my face that you hated my book and its premise. Yet here we are doing an interview about it on national TV. Please explain that to our viewers. I'll wait."

Posted by: Tryna Help at November 18, 2018 12:15 PM (TU9by)

405 Trump is an existential threat to these globalists. And so are we.
=====

About 15 years ago, I was invited to join CFR. Said no thank you.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 12:15 PM (MIKMs)

406 Did it help ? seriously, did it ?
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 12:01 PM (bUjCl)

dunno, maybe?
it was soothing
I still had a huge blister, and a big scar to this day, but it could have been worse
emergency kitchen medicine

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 12:15 PM (XZ3Gp)

407 265 rickl -I doubt in any universe Lenin would be anything but a lay about rabble rouser

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 12:16 PM (6VrXf)

408
Speaking of imbalances...

ever have Crystals in your head fall out of your head and get lodged in your ear canal?

Posted by: Soothsayer
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Happened to someone I know. He had to quit working -- he thought forever -- until they got it straightened out. After months of uncured, debilitating misery and side-effects from the wrong meds, they finally tilted him around and shook the crystals back into place. He walked out instantly and totally cured and went back to work.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 18, 2018 12:17 PM (13CQC)

409 Alberto:
That is intriguing.
Sounds like it is indeed 7.62 Mauser.

Posted by: retropox at November 18, 2018 12:17 PM (rgquC)

410 Mercurochrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day
Oh yeah.

Posted by: Not Paul Simon at November 18, 2018 12:17 PM (YTxkQ)

411 as we see with many of the narco states to our south.
--
I saw a headline yesterday, the government of Venezuela is expropriating 60% of beef cattle. Usually when the government is so desperate that they resort to simply taking what they want, the end is near and starvation and mass murder soon follow.

Venezuela could go to the killing fields as Cambodia did, but we probably would never hear about it from our news media or it would be reported as a bland 15 second sound bite before moving on to celebrity entertainment news.

Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 12:17 PM (hrcfq)

412 403
392: I agree. If Charles had been portrayed as the soul of honor, the
book would have been diminished. And Charles would have seemed
delusional

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:14 PM (U7k5w)

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Basil Seal, on the other hand, is hilarious.

Talk about an anti-hero!

"Put Out More Flags" is an obscure work, but pretty funny. I love how Seal's first racket is using a bunch of hilariously destructive evacuee children to extort money and/or sex from rural householders.

And then he realizes he can join the commandos and literally get away with murder. "Where do I sign?"

Perfect.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 12:17 PM (cfSRQ)

413 Drop a shiny copper penny into the solution, and boil it. Causes the penny to be electroplated with shiny mercury by galvanic action.

Do it enough times and you can win a tea party with Alice and the White Rabblit.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 18, 2018 12:18 PM (qc+VF)

414 I'm on a bit of a British Empire reading kick these days it seems...I have read Kipling's books and short stories but if anyone has other selections about the British and their shenanigans around the globe...any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2018 10:23 AM (RgTXG)

I think you would like Peter Hopkirk's The Great Game: The Struggle for Empire in Central Asia.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 18, 2018 12:18 PM (UGKMd)

415 Vitamin E on burns.
Lanacane (pressurized can) on cuts and scrapes.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2018 12:18 PM (yshTX)

416 I am supposed to read Last of the Mohicans next. I need to finish what I'm on this week.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 12:18 PM (6VrXf)

417
OK, so what happens if that authoress had gone on GMA vs the hostile interviewer and said:

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Authoress is roasted for bullying, racism, sexism, Islamophobia (why not?) and is ordered by publisher and agent to apologize. Probably winds up doing so.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 18, 2018 12:19 PM (13CQC)

418

Speaking of imbalances...

ever have Crystals in your head fall out of your head and get lodged in your ear canal?

Three words: The Epley Maneuver. I have trouble with that on occasion.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:19 PM (HaL55)

419 >>>That picture at the top of the thread, those people have a hell of a hording problem

So they're addicted to this site? How can you tell that?

/jk I often make that error.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 18, 2018 12:20 PM (/qEW2)

420 333
We had a chance to destroy the Opium poppy production in Afghanistan. We didn't. In fact by helping with their irrigation infrastructure it has INCREASED... paid for by the American Tax dollar.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 18, 2018 11:46 AM (NgKpN)

It really does appear that there is a seamless interface between government and organized crime.

Second look at Lyndon LaRouche?

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 12:20 PM (sdi6R)

421 Posted by: Not Paul Simon

*******

Kodachrome is actually a pretty decent cure for Polaroids.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:20 PM (m45I2)

422
I'm on a bit of a British Empire reading kick these days it seems...I have read Kipling's books and short stories but if anyone has other selections about the British and their shenanigans around the globe...any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.
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George Orwell's Burmese Days. Also his short writings from his time in that part of the Empire.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 18, 2018 12:20 PM (13CQC)

423
Yeah, I get Vertigo once a while. Very mild but I need my full FACULTIES for work.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 12:21 PM (9lyhM)

424
Vitamin E on burns.

Lanacane (pressurized can) on cuts and scrapes.
--------------What about scars? Anything to minimize them?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 18, 2018 12:21 PM (13CQC)

425 The guy on the right in that image looks like Indiana Jones. As mentioned earlier, the image is found online with the caption "The cemetery of forgotten books." Searching for more on that led to an article on a Spanish author named Carlos Ruiz Zafon who's writing the fourth in a "Cemetery of forgotten books" series.

That UK Independent article headline is "Writer Carlos Ruiz Zafon says technophile society will stunt young minds" and he's turned down numerous offers to have his books turned into Hollywood films despite living in L.A. part of the year: https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd3ecn9h
Sounds like he'd fit right in here ...

Posted by: ShainS - Kavanaugh Shitshow Survivor at November 18, 2018 12:21 PM (WqPYg)

426 Have they determined yet what baby colic actually is?
*****

Yes. It's bad miasmas and/or gremlins leaving the body.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:05 PM (m45I2)

Heh. I'll take that as a "no, they haven't."

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at November 18, 2018 12:23 PM (JAhKD)

427 alcohol on rashes story - I used to get eczema on my hands really bad, ever since I was a kid (which one doctor misdiagnosed as scabies so mom.was bathing me in physohex and putting some other med on it that just made it worse)

any way as an adult I realized that splashing alcohol on it helped relieve the worst of the itching temporarily

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 12:23 PM (XZ3Gp)

428
Yeah, I get Vertigo once a while. Very mild but I need my full FACULTIES for work.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 12:21 PM (9lyhM)
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I had a terrible bout a few years ago which, and I am not kidding, completely cured itself as I was driving to an ENT appointment.

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:24 PM (MVjcR)

429 >>About 15 years ago, I was invited to join CFR. Said no thank you.

Wise decision.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2018 12:24 PM (/tuJf)

430 412: Waugh's satire can be remarkable. I'm a great fan of Waugh, despite being named for one of his characters.

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:24 PM (U7k5w)

431 E helps minimize scarring of cuts and sutures.
Don't think it would help something that has already scarred.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2018 12:25 PM (yshTX)

432

Have they determined yet what baby colic actually is?[i/]

I always thought it was infant indigestion. Brand new digestive tract where all food is new.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:25 PM (HaL55)

433 Making my way through "On Conan Doyle" by Michael Dirda- it is not a book to be read quickly- more like one to be savored.
Did make it through the first two books in the Troubles Trilogy by Adrian McKinty which tells the fictional story of Sean Duffy, a Catholic detective in Belfast, Northern Ireland in the early 1980's. Liked the first one (Cold, Cold Ground) enough to read the second (I Hear Sirens in the Street). The "troubles" are like having another character in the novel and the background and how it impacts relationships and police work is worth a read of the first one. The second one had a plot that just headed into an area that passed my point of disbelief, so I have not read the third one.

Posted by: Charlotte at November 18, 2018 12:26 PM (mt65F)

434 Wow. Just got finished reading OM's intro and recs. Not even to the first comment and I've got a list of books to get!

You 'rons are all right. You especially, OM! Thanks for all you do.

This week I'm reading the latest from Joe. R. Lansdale, Jackrabbit Smile. I love about 98 percent of his books, but darn if he doesn't have a hate-on for religion. He's a TX lib, who sounds like he was raised in a rough-and-tumble environment with lots of commonsense, but his bitterness over Christianity is evident.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at November 18, 2018 12:26 PM (tGSHk)

435 Before I forget --

Days of Rage was also predicated on $$$ from ignorant kids, whether from kids' trusts or contact lists for wealthy parents/grandparents as donors. Worth it if they could get a few true believers out of the slush.

Same today.

(Son kidlet refuses to start college fund for his kid because he says it is a target and kid would be safer if he had to work for it.)

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 12:26 PM (MIKMs)

436 421
Kodachrome is actually a pretty decent cure for Polaroids.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 18, 2018 12:20 PM (m45I2)

Heh.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 12:26 PM (sdi6R)

437

So now the Italican button works?

Firefox is amazing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:27 PM (HaL55)

438 GI Gin (elixer of turpin hydrate and codeine) For colds

Posted by: Fox2! at November 18, 2018 12:27 PM (A9I+K)

439 Ace was suffering from an imbalance in his bodily humors recently.
Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:09 PM (MVjcR)

Have a barber pluck the stone of folly from his cranium, followed by trepanning!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 12:28 PM (kQs4Y)

440 >>Have a barber pluck the stone of folly from his cranium, followed by trepanning!

What are you, some kind of quack?

Bleed him and then a course of leeches.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2018 12:29 PM (/tuJf)

441 I remember one time, working at wellsite in deep winter, having just attended a safety meeting. Came back to my logging unit, followed by a safety (?) hand. I entered the unit, just inside the door, and was kicking off my boots, and steadying myself with a hand on the door jamb. Safety (!) hand slams the damned door. Now this is a welded-steel shack, not unlike a sea can, but sturdier, with a door like a walk-in freezer (even has the same kind of door latch). My fingers were crushed. I hollered, and he opened the door again, right away. I said, rather curtly, "Don't just stand there like a dummy, grab me a handful of snow. Right.Fucking.Now.!" So he did, and I packed my wounded fingers with snow, and left it there until the cold got too intense, and left them free for a while, and then packed them with snow again. After a few go-rounds like that, my fingers were fine. Next day, not even a bit sore.

But I had the snow on them within 20 seconds of the injury.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 12:29 PM (fDU8w)

442 ABC Prez Who Fired Roseanne Resigns As -The Connors' Ratings Dive

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What a shame!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)

443 My apologies if someone has mentioned this, but the chessboard is not arranged correctly; right is white, right?

Posted by: NotEasilyFooled at November 18, 2018 12:30 PM (Vcs1Z)

444 "I don't think its the UK trying to rule the US. I think it's a worldwide
group of globalists who are tied together through various organizations
such as intel groups and think tanks like the US Council on Foreign
Relations and the European Council on Foreign Relations" JackStraw

true dat. ... I was maybe trying too hard to tie in with our original revolution. But the Brits then did have global conquest on their minds ... and for some time after that.

They are indeed global, but London banking has a certain privilege others do not. It is beyond my full understanding, but "re-hypothication" is basically a tool for extending credit, without holding an actual asset.

A bank "hypothecates" when you buy a house, but they have the actual ownership (lien) till the debt is paid. iirc, in the US that can be extended another level once, but in London banking, it can be extended ... forever. So one asset is backing multiple loans ... hence very high leverage. (then when they are leveraged 300:1 and fail, we bail them out)

The quadrillion dollar derivative markets are still unregulated and shadowy, as I understand it. They get caught laundering $2B (HSBC) for drug cartels and basically threaten "contagion" if not let go with no arrests ... and we had the case made, but let them off (Lynch).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 12:30 PM (Cus5s)

445 colic is the baby's existential grief and disappointment at leaving the womb and meeting his parents

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 12:30 PM (XZ3Gp)

446 The top picture reminds me of "Blade Runner".

Posted by: pawn at November 18, 2018 12:30 PM (RQgLd)

447 I think that picture is from a movie set in China during the Japanese invasion of Shanghai, like about 1936 or so.
Can't remember the name of the movie, it was a huge production and had many scenes like this one.
The theme of the movie involved a child being separated from his Christian Missionary parents during the tumult.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 18, 2018 12:31 PM (w7KSn)

448 I listed 'imbalance of bodily humors' as my chief complaint when seeing a new doctor for the first time recently. He was not amused, so I'm not going back.

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:31 PM (MVjcR)

449 430
412: Waugh's satire can be remarkable. I'm a great fan of Waugh, despite being named for one of his characters.

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:24 PM (U7k5w)

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Lady Metroland?
Lord Copper?

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at November 18, 2018 12:31 PM (cfSRQ)

450 Horde-sourced Book of Cures - you will never be the same !

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2018 12:31 PM (bUjCl)

451
E helps minimize scarring of cuts and sutures.

Don't think it would help something that has already scarred.
---------------
Break open a capsule, or ingest it? About a month ago I had a thing removed from my eyelid and SHIT, I'm getting kind of a scar in the inner corner of it. Can't have that!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 18, 2018 12:32 PM (13CQC)

452 441 ouch, had my fingers slamed in a car door by my grandfather not paying attention when real young.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2018 12:33 PM (6VrXf)

453

I listed 'imbalance of bodily humors' as my chief complaint when seeing a
new doctor for the first time recently. He was not amused, so I'm not
going back.

I don't blame him: you misspelled "humours."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:33 PM (HaL55)

454 448 I listed 'imbalance of bodily humors' as my chief complaint when seeing a new doctor for the first time recently. He was not amused, so I'm not going back.
Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:31 PM (MVjcR)

Oh, that's great. I need to keep that in mind.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2018 12:33 PM (sdi6R)

455 (Son kidlet refuses to start college fund for his kid because he says it is a target and kid would be safer if he had to work for it.)
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 12:26 PM (MIKMs)

however, you as grandparent can start a 529 for the grandkid and since neither the parent or child own it they do not have to declare it when applying to college

neat loophole

I think it still works that way, but I'm not sure

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 12:34 PM (XZ3Gp)

456 >>I listed 'imbalance of bodily humors' as my chief complaint when seeing a
new doctor for the first time recently.

A misaligned funny bone can be troublesome.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2018 12:34 PM (/tuJf)

457 ''Aren't Mercurochrome and Merthiolate both trade names for basically the same complex salt of mercury? ''

I don't know about that but I DO know that Mercurochrome does not sting and Merthiolate does. We always had Mercurochrome in the House when I was little. I remember school nurses always used Merthiolate to treat playground cuts and scrapes.

Posted by: Tuna at November 18, 2018 12:34 PM (jm1YL)

458
I don't blame him: you misspelled "humours."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:33 PM (HaL55)
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Stupid autocorrect keeps changing that!

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:34 PM (MVjcR)

459 "All the Plenary's Men" ... shows the globalist banking cartels have power over US (you-tube link)

https://tinyurl.com/ycf65jgz

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 12:35 PM (Cus5s)

460 ever have Crystals in your head fall out of your head and get lodged in your ear canal?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 18, 2018 12:11 PM (9lyhM)

Doesn't that affect your link with the Tabernacle?

Posted by: Zed at November 18, 2018 12:35 PM (mUa7G)

461

Stupid autocorrect keeps changing that!

Even after you told your device to use "English." Sheesh...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:36 PM (HaL55)

462 E and eye: Prick it with a clean pin and apply, frequency is more important than amount.

Be vary cautious about any foreign substance getting on the mucus membrane, the duct, or in the eye.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2018 12:36 PM (yshTX)

463 It changes to hum ours or humors. I hate autocorrect.

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:37 PM (MVjcR)

464 listed 'imbalance of bodily humors' as my chief complaint when seeing a new doctor for the first time recently. He was not amused, so I'm not going back.
Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:31 PM

Well, "imbalance of bodily humors" is a diagnosis, not a symptom, so the doctor was not amused because you were trying to do his job.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 18, 2018 12:38 PM (YTxkQ)

465 I'm on a bit of a British Empire reading kick these days it seems...I have read Kipling's books and short stories but if anyone has other selections about the British and their shenanigans around the globe...any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Perhaps not quite what you asked for but two books set in late Victorian England both filled with Easter eggs for the reader wise in Victorian trivia are by Kim Newman: Professor Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles and Anno Dracula. The first is a dark comedy/parody of Sherlock Holmes and the second a full fledged horror novel.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2018 12:38 PM (+y/Ru)

466

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2018 12:36 PM (yshTX)

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Thanks!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 18, 2018 12:38 PM (13CQC)

467 Empire of the Sun
Speilberg directed it.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 18, 2018 12:39 PM (w7KSn)

468 So now the Italican button works?
Firefox is amazing.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:27 PM

Helps if you spell them correctly. List for newbies:
Start italics [i]
Stop italics [/i]
Start bold [b]
Stop bold [/b]
Start underline [u]
Stop underline [/u]
Start strikethrough [s]
Stop strikethrough [/s]

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 18, 2018 12:39 PM (e7O7B)

469 447: You mean Empire of the Sun? With Christian Bale in his first role?

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 18, 2018 12:40 PM (KqziQ)

470 whose interviewer (according to Komisar) told her before going on air, "I don't believe in the premise of your book at all. I don't like your book."

Probably never opened it, just read a review by some leftist and heard all her friends snarking about it based on some comment on John Oliver's show.

That was one thing Craig Ferguson was good about, and honest. He never watched the movies and shows or read the books of guests and was very open and honest about it. Part of the reason he got out of the talk show biz is that he couldn't stand having to butter up and promote guests.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2018 12:40 PM (39g3+)

471
Well, "imbalance of bodily humors" is a diagnosis, not a symptom, so the doctor was not amused because you were trying to do his job.
Posted by: Chuck C at November 18, 2018 12:38 PM (YTxkQ)
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I self-diagnosed, and was just looking for a second opinion.

Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2018 12:41 PM (MVjcR)

472
#468 that's interesting
seriously, I looked at the page source.

Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 12:42 PM (hrcfq)

473 "You mean Empire of the Sun?"

I think so. There were a bunch of scenes in it like this picture.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 18, 2018 12:42 PM (w7KSn)

474 There is a nood.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 12:43 PM (kQs4Y)

475 Weasel. would you have gone back if he gave you an Rx for leeches or bleeding?

Posted by: Zed at November 18, 2018 12:44 PM (mUa7G)

476

Helps if you spell them correctly. List for newbies:

I know those, my nic has all the closing tabs for just such an occasion.

When I swapped over to FF, Pixy's formatting box for the comments reappeared (it's not there at all in Edge). It acts funny, like just then. CR's are iffy at best too.

#twoweeks until a brand new commenting software brings us into the Twentieth Century.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 18, 2018 12:44 PM (HaL55)

477
however, you as grandparent can start a 529 for the grandkid and
since neither the parent or child own it they do not have to declare it
when applying to college

=====

Yeah, loophole. But how does that really benefit the kid if he has no interest in school. Kid is a sitting duck for every scam.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 18, 2018 12:45 PM (MIKMs)

478 I worked with sheet metal for a year (installing lockers, shelves, etc.) ... and the boss man tol' me ... get a good scrub brush and scrub all those little cuts, use soap and water, then they heal up quickly. Seemed to work ... cleaning the wound is important ... disinfectant won't always kill all the "germs" in the dirt, so it has to be removed.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2018 12:46 PM (Cus5s)

479 OK, I looked it up. Mercurochrome is a trade name for Merbromin, which is a link of five benzene rings, with mercury and bromine hung on various corners. It has been effectively banned by the FDA, basically because none of the manufacturers were willing to go to the expense of doing the necessary testing demonstrate its safety.

Merthiolate, aka thimerosal, is single benzene ring, with sodium on one corner, mercury on another, and some hydrogens and hydroxyls, too. I remember that one, as it used to be used to preserve contact lens solutions, and I became allergic to it, and had to switch to thimerosal-free solutions. Really made a difference.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2018 12:47 PM (fDU8w)

480 449: Alas, no. Someone more pedestrian, I'm afraid. But only because there was already cousins Julia and Brenda on the scene.

Posted by: CN at November 18, 2018 12:47 PM (U7k5w)

481 #468 that's interesting
seriously, I looked at the page source.

Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 12:42 PM

Knuckleheads like me figured out a way to post pictures a long time ago. So Pixy installed a list of verboten words and three letter combinations. Like img.

Now that I've figured out a workaround I'll probably never use it. But I really, really wanted to figure out a way to beat it. Because.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 18, 2018 12:47 PM (e7O7B)

482 Read The Seven-Per-Cent Solution: Being a Reprint from the Reminiscences of John H. Watson, M.D. by Nicholas Meyer.

Ripping yarn, even if I doubt the final train race scene.

Threw The Dreams Our Stuff is Made Of: How Science Fiction Conquered the World by Thomas M. Disch against the wall after perusing several chapters. Mostly nonsense on stilts. It goes in the Library donation pile.

Currently reading Trial by Fire by Harold Coyle. Mexican reformers undone by a cartel lord.
The US Army invades Mexico. The US Army is well described, but the hero of the book is the Colonel in charge of the Mexican military. Maybe ahead of it's time.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 18, 2018 12:51 PM (hyuyC)

483

It wasn't the immediate return to society that screwed over so many of us Vietnam veterans, it was much more the shitstorm we endured during and after that misbegotten mess.

All of it courtesy of that merry band of malignant troglodytes representing the Democrat Party.

I wish all of them a long life replete with agony.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 18, 2018 12:52 PM (lNDMt)

484 Mercurachrome, and I remember they had a glass applicator and came in a small brown square glass bottle. That's when we still played with little balls of mercury from a broken thermometer.

Posted by: Infidel at November 18, 2018 12:53 PM (SzQWn)

485 I'm reading Marvel comics who are Biff,Bamm & Pow.

KAPOWEEE!!!!!

Posted by: saf at November 18, 2018 12:57 PM (5IHGB)

486 I have almost all of his but I stopped buying them then he he moved into the SA spy stuff. I even have his Phylly cop stuff.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 18, 2018 09:18 AM (mpXpK)

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I've read (and re-read) "The Corps" series, but for plot and entertainment value, WEB's best work was the "Honor Bound" series. The FBI-OSS dynamic was worth the read alone

Posted by: mrp at November 18, 2018 12:57 PM (Pqytn)

487 nood.

Posted by: Infidel at November 18, 2018 12:58 PM (SzQWn)

488 Some Guy in Wisconsin

A campaign piece to Byron Edgar Farwell's Queen Victoria's Little Wars is Mr. Kipling's Army. He has written on other Empire topics, but this is the best of the rest. I recommend it highly.

Also, for non-fiction, try Naill Ferguson's Empire: The Rise and Demise of the British World Order and the Lessons for Global Power. As even-handed as you can get today.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 18, 2018 01:02 PM (hyuyC)

489
however, you as grandparent can start a 529 for the grandkid and since neither the parent or child own it they do not have to declare it when applying to college

I have made it clear that our household will not contribute in any way toward grandkids attending college. Their own parents pissed away time and money while there and "it's only fair" that they themselves experience the special feeling of accomplishment should their own children do so, too.

Vocational or trade schools, on the other hand? We'll talk.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 18, 2018 01:02 PM (H991r)

490 Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 18, 2018 12:51 PM (hyuyC)
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Salty, some of the 1-star ratings of Stuff are pretty damning.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 18, 2018 01:07 PM (kQs4Y)

491 Muldoon, I love you and your limericks to death, but sometimes they don't fit the meter. To paraphrase Mark Twain, you've got the words, but not the music. So forgive me if I take out my editing pencil and tune it up (more or less):

Purple Prose - a limerick

Vagina's too plain? You should style it
To engender romancing while twi-lit.
To heighten the mood
Paint it up really good
With a dollop of Gentian Violet!

PS: Your circus limerick hit the spot! Loved it!

Posted by: DynamiteDan at November 18, 2018 01:08 PM (MqzWH)

492 All Hail Eris, Literate Savage

Rightly so. He has an interesting thesis, but mars it with Leftist cant. His take on Feminist SF pisses me off, as does his take on Military SF.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 18, 2018 01:19 PM (hyuyC)

493 To get back on thread, I am just finishing up Reminiscences of the Civil War, and autobiography by Major General John B. Gordon of the Confederacy. An interesting perspective of the war, written years after it's conclusion.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 18, 2018 11:30 AM

Just started reading it, thank you for the tip. 99c on the Kindle.

Posted by: Nuland Goodleaf, Herbologist at November 18, 2018 01:22 PM (hrcfq)

494 465
I'm on a bit of a British Empire reading kick these days it seems...I
have read Kipling's books and short stories but if anyone has other
selections about the British and their shenanigans around the
globe...any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks."
It's been years since I read it but the British Empire trilogy by James/Jan Morris is excellent (yes, he became a she, but don't let that put you off Morris, who is a fine writer).
I've really enjoyed reading this thread today, especially the comments of A.H. Lloyd.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 18, 2018 01:35 PM (d6Ksn)

495 The Great Mutiny by Christopher Hibbert is also excellent. The Brits didn't mess around in those days. The Victorians seem almost a different species from the knife banning cucks who populate Britain today.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 18, 2018 01:40 PM (d6Ksn)

496 Need the Horde input if not too late on the relative merits of the Nook vs Kindle.

I own a nook but am wondering if it would be money well spent to buy a kindle or at least the kindle app.

Amazon is offering unlimited reading for 99 cents per month for three months, then 9.99 per month. Over a million books to choose from! Now, cynic that I am, most of those may be crap. However, I pay between 9.99 and 14.99 per book on my nook, but those are new releases from the authors of my choice.

Hopefully the Horde has experience in this area.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 18, 2018 02:20 PM (bN9bF)

497 Sixkiller get the kindle app, it's free.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 18, 2018 04:10 PM (XZ3Gp)

498 Way late to answer the question, but in case Sixkiller comes back or anyone wanders by...

I can't speak about the benefits of the Nook ecosystem, pricing, reading experience, or anything about it, really. I got into the e-reader thing late, not because of any shrewd plan to wait for the market to settle out, but because of innate laziness and inertia.

A neat thing about Kindle as a platform is that it works everywhere; I can buy a book and read it on the Kindle web app, free Mac OS or iOS app, or a physical Kindle reader. So while you would need to buy the title, you don't need to buy a Kindle device unless you want to have one. There's no cost to install the Kindle app on your phone or tablet or browser and read it there.

As to whether the Kindle selection will have titles you want - especially for free with the unlimited plan - that's really up to you.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 18, 2018 04:28 PM (t+qrx)

499 Late as usual, but I think I can identify that top picture. It looks like a still from the Sci-Fi Channel (excuse me, SyFy) dark retelling of "Alice in Wonderland" from about ten years ago. That looks a lot like the scene where the Mad Hatter takes Alice to the forbidden library, where everyone is hiding the books and knowledge that the Red Queen's regime has forbidden them to have. It was a miniseries, just called "Alice." Not good, but didn't entirely suck.

Posted by: Rosa Erik at November 18, 2018 04:35 PM (2hJEH)

500 495 The Great Mutiny by Christopher Hibbert is also excellent. The Brits didn't mess around in those days. The Victorians seem almost a different species from the knife banning cucks who populate Britain today.
Posted by: DonnaV at November 18, 2018 01:40 PM (d6Ksn)

The old species of Brit were mostly killed during WWI and WWII, thus leaving weaklings who bred the knife-banning cucks we see today.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at November 18, 2018 05:02 PM (JAhKD)

501 Currently reading Trial by Fire by Harold Coyle. Mexican reformers undone by a cartel lord.
The US Army invades Mexico. The US Army is well described, but the hero of the book is the Colonel in charge of the Mexican military. Maybe ahead of it's time.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 18, 2018 12:51 PM (hyuyC)

I tried reading Mr. Coyle's books but they come off as textbooks and become very hard to plough through. Even his tip of the hat - or ripoff? - of Sir John Hackett, Team Yankee.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at November 18, 2018 05:15 PM (OsbUG)

502 Thanks Hogmartin and Votermom.

The nook was a gift from my oldest when I was still consulting and flying back and forth to the east coast. I have enjoyed it, but lately, feels like I am being ripped off by Barnes and Noble.

I will get the kindle app. Thanks again.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 18, 2018 05:19 PM (9m5T6)

503 I don't think its the UK trying to rule the US. I think it's a worldwide
group of globalists who are tied together through various organizations
such as intel groups and think tanks like the US Council on Foreign
Relations and the European Council on Foreign Relations" JackStraw

There is a way the Council on Foreign Relations will take over the world. And here's how:

By boring people to death.

Seriously. Read Foreign Affairs sometime. I read it occasionally. Some of the articles are full of good information. But their #1 remedy for EVERYTHING is to TALK, to ENGAGE. Through their publication I know that to the CFR, diplomacy is the be all and end all of absolutely everything. They cannot conceive of a world where diplomacy fails.

And that is why, beyond Foreign Affairs magazine, I regard the CFR as nothing more than a big joke.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at November 18, 2018 05:21 PM (OsbUG)

504 There are two Jeferrsonians commenting on AoS. I'm not the other one. Several years ago I went on a 50 mile bicycle ride for lunch with a friend and his friend. My friend was a city councilman and his friend was the mayor. I mentioned that I had read a study which concluded that aside from killing people and keeping mementoes, there was psychologically no difference between serial killers and politicians. My friend laughed. The mayor said " That's not funny." Found him!

Posted by: Jeffersonian at November 18, 2018 07:55 PM (1PU4q)

505 "OregonMuse at 09:00 AM"

Where in Oregon are you a museing? I live in Vernonia.

Paul L. Quandt

Posted by: Paul L. Quandt at November 19, 2018 07:13 AM (vXx5z)

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