Gun Thread: Well I Suppose That's One Way to Do It

Gun Thread: Well I Suppose That's One Way to Do It - [Weasel]

Interesting Variation on Classic IWB Carry

Anyone else using the IWB Lower Back Muzzle Peekaboo style for concealed carry?

A few weeks ago we talked about buying a first gun, and today I'd like to discuss carry permits and carrying a weapon.

I firmly believe that the single best carry gun in the universe is the one you actually have with you when you need it. Regardless of caliber, sights, custom trigger and all the rest, the gun you left at home in your sock drawer isn't going to do you a whole lot of good in an emergency. This is why some gun owners take the extra step to obtain a concealed weapon permit, and then carry a concealed weapon.

Before we begin the usual banter and fun commentary, a serious note:
Not everyone wants to carry a gun, and if you aren't comfortable doing so, then you probably shouldn't consider it further. I'd feel better if you did, but it's a big responsibility, and not something ever to be taken casually. Carrying a firearm is a very serious business and needs to be treated as such. If the unthinkable occurs and God forbid you use a weapon to defend yourself or others, in the time it takes to pull the trigger you will have changed your life, and presumably the target's life, forever.

Think about that.

As I write this, another horrific mass shooting has just been committed, this time at a nightclub in Thousand Oaks, California. What drove the person to commit such a heinous act will probably never be known. However, I think it's safe to say we do know a couple of important facts; we will never be able to un-invent (or confiscate) all of the guns now in existence, and just one competent and armed person in a crowd of hundreds would have at least had a chance to stop the massacre.

Think about that, too.

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The Permit
I live in Virginia, and like many states today, at one time it was nearly impossible to get a concealed carry permit here. Things have changed, and today as long as you pass a background check and can demonstrate competency with a firearm, you should be approved for a permit. For me the process was straightforward; submit an application and fingerprints, show that I'd attended a brief but practical course on the topic, and pay a fee to the city where I live. A few weeks later, the permit came in the mail. There are going to be some variables to the process based on where you live but Virginia is likely representative of other "shall issue" states, where one must only meet the criteria specified in the law and is not required to demonstrate a subjective 'need' to be considered for approval.

Do you have a permit? For those living in "may issue" states, what was the 'need' you specified and how were you required to support the claim?

What to Carry
You've gone through the process of obtaining a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and your next decision is likely what concealed weapon to carry.

As mentioned above, any gun is better than no gun. I would much rather be armed with some puny girly-man caliber handgun than relying on throwing bags of Fritos and Slim Jims at the bad guy holding up the gas station late at night. So which handgun is my carry gun, you ask? Well using my super-genius reasoning, they're all candidates, only varying by degrees of suitability. My usual carry gun is a Kimber Compact Custom in 45 ACP with a 4 inch barrel.

Kimber Compact Custom

Another handgun that I carry is a revolver, the S&W Model 686 in .357 Magnum with a 2 1/2 inch barrel. I carry this gun mostly at the farm with the first two or three cylinders loaded with snake shot.

S&W Model 686

The common element for both guns is absolute reliability and a short barrel, and I practice with them enough to hit the center of a target at a reasonable distance.

Which gun do you carry and why? Is bigger always better, or is comfort and concealability a greater consideration for you?

How to Carry It
Now you've gone through the process of obtaining a permit to carry a concealed weapon and found the ideal weapon to carry - so what are your options for carrying it around?

Most people like to use holsters, but other options do exist. Like a handbag or purse for girls, and the manbag or satchel (*snicker*) for boys. There's even a rig employing the underbewb or frontal overhang region as a concealment area for the ladies (and some of the gentlemen). All sorts of contraptions exist to conceal a firearm, but in my opinion, the farther you get away from a simple and straightforward sidearm holster, the less useable the firearm becomes. Unless of course you're a super-badass quick drawing mo-fo with cat-like reflexes, of which the internet breeds many.
And don't forget that states have very specific definitions for weapons in vehicles and what is considered 'concealment' - know the laws wherever and however you travel.

I prefer Outside Waist Band (OWB) holsters over Inside Waist Band (IWB). They seem to be more comfortable to me, but either style will work. The best holster for you is the one that is comfortable for you, and isn't such a miserable experience you're tempted to leave the whole mess at home to begin with. Ask around and don't be surprised if you have to try a few over time to get one that feels right.

Garret Silent Thunder(l) and Galco Pancake {w/o MS} (r)

I like these holsters - do you have a favorite brand or style? What, if any, special clothing choices have you made to make concealing a weapon more practical?

Reloading Bench
This week, I suppose 'Ammo Counter' is a more appropriate title for this section. I use commercial handgun ammunition with heavy hollow point bullets in my carry guns without exception. While I have loaded thousands and thousands of handgun and rifle cartridges and never had a failure to fire solely related to ammunition that I can recall, the reason has to do more with making a compelling defense if I ever end up in court after defending myself with a firearm. See second link below.

Link-O-Rama
Recommended Read: The Law of Self Defense
GunDigest Article: Handloads and Concealed Carry
NRA Resource: Concealed Carry Reciprocity by State
Ammo.com Article: Girlz 'n Gunz
Pew Pew Tactical Article: Concealed Carry Holsters

Final Thoughts
Before you accept the responsibility of carrying a weapon, please do a few things:
- Get licensed: Having one may just save you a lot of legal grief when Officer Friendly realizes you have a gun in the car during a traffic stop.
- Get training: Drawing and firing from a holster is remarkably different than standing at a range bench and shooting. Very remarkably different.
- Get Educated: Buying a gun and a holster isn't the end of the process, it's the beginning. Know your rights and your responsibilities.

***This Old Gun***

Ho-Lee-Krap! Is this ever a great old gun and story to go with it! The Lurkers are really bringing their 'A' game, that's for sure! C'mon and get with the program, Commenters!

French St. Etienne Model 1873 Revolver

Lurker with an Old Frenchy Gun writes:

This is a French St. Etienne Model 1873 revolver, caliber 11mm. It was manufactured in 1882. The holster is original with the gun and even has 2 original cartridges in it. The story behind it is that my great uncle "removed" it from a Nazi soldier in WW2 whom he killed in hand-to-hand combat. The gun was already quite outdated for WW2 usage, and was certainly not something a German would have carried, so the German had likely taken it from a French gendarme or possibly a resistance fighter. Anyway, I've never fired it and have no intention to, but it's a very solidly made revolver. Virtually every part has the serial number stamped in it. The lockup is as tight as any modern production revolver. I'm proud of my great uncle's service and this gun will be passed on to my son someday.

Thank You Lurker with an Old Frenchy Gun!!! Join in the discussion anytime you like!

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Please note the new and improved gmail account for sending stories and pictures: morongunthread at gmail dot com. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:05 PM

Comments

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1 St

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2018 07:06 PM (dczB+)

2 Nice thread.

Posted by: SMH at November 11, 2018 07:07 PM (p/F+I)

3 3rd

Posted by: Ex-ex at November 11, 2018 07:07 PM (aohgv)

4 Bang Bang Bang

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2018 07:07 PM (dczB+)

5 Corgis summoned

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2018 07:08 PM (dczB+)

6 Yeah! Gun thread!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 07:09 PM (hyuyC)

7 Weasel, how about a shoulder rig? Are they too old?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 07:09 PM (hyuyC)

8 I suppose if you have a gun pointing out where your asshole should be, that could make you some sort of "badass," but damned if that fellow could sit down again.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:10 PM (NXsWM)

9 Armpit sweat is hell on guns.
Never shoulder holster.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 11, 2018 07:11 PM (1g7ch)

10 7 Weasel, how about a shoulder rig? Are they too old?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 07:09 PM (hyuyC)
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I have one but don't use it much.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:12 PM (vTIef)

11 Burnt Toast

Thanks.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 07:12 PM (hyuyC)

12 I've got 2 girly- man handguns, or did before that tragic boating accident.

Georgia is a ccw state and a pocket pistol with required holster draws less attention than having on the hip.

Posted by: Ex-ex at November 11, 2018 07:13 PM (aohgv)

13 http://www.thediplomad.com
On the election and his trip to the shooting range
Always a good short read

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 07:14 PM (T4oHT)

14 Here in May-Issue Commiefornia, the only way to get a Concealed Carry Permit is by bribing the County Sheriff, something I cannot bring myself (or afford) to do.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 07:15 PM (EbOpT)

15 Don't fuck with my keyster.

Posted by: Redenzo at November 11, 2018 07:15 PM (14qvS)

16 Thirst!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 07:15 PM (Dagiw)

17 Butt gun, eh? Talk about covering your six...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:15 PM (xJa6I)

18 Georgia is a ccw state and a pocket pistol with required holster draws less attention than having on the hip.
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 11, 2018 07:13 PM (aohgv)
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I have a 380 that I carry in my front pocket when I'm wearing shorts. Very concealable that way.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (vTIef)

19 Many thanks for the link to my book, "The Law of Self Defense 3rd Ed." over at Amazon. FYI, TODAY ONLY we're running a special on the hardcover of the book, $32 and free shipping, and custom autographed with (almost) anything you ask us to write into the book. Make great gifts! :-) http://www.lawofselfdefense.com/book

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (eciqi)

20 I usually carry my P229 Legion simply because I am most comfortable with that weapon. But I also have over a thousand rounds through my P365, and it's tempting to take that because of the size. Depending on where I'm headed it's Kydex IWB or OWB.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (YkzPs)

21 Haven't been to the range for a bit because of my surgery. That said, Mrs. Old Blue came in with a flyer from Sportsman's Warehouse and one of the guns on sale was a Springfield Armory mil-spec 1911-A1 for $550.00. I asked the Horde what they thought and they said that seemed to be a pretty sweet deal. Mrs. Old Blue said that she would get it for me for an early Christmas present.

I am happy to announce that I am now the proud owner of a brandy new 1911 in .45 acp. Being as how I haven't owned a pistol in years, and the last time I fired a 1911 was in boot camp 48 years ago, my next step is to find a good qualified firearms instructor to teach me the finer points of ownership.
I'm not sure that I would carry it, it seems kind of large and the way I dress, I don't know where I could even conceal it.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (gEvQ8)

22 Sorry to bring everyone down, I need some prayers for my Sister In Law she was moved into Hospice,

Thank You
Horde

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 11, 2018 07:17 PM (dKiJG)

23 Top turret in his hat?

Posted by: klaftern at November 11, 2018 07:18 PM (RuIsu)

24 Hi Weasel and thanks for another gun thread.
I normally carry a Smith M and P compact in 9mm or a Ruger 101 in 357 loaded with 38 special Plus P ammo. I don't use IWB holsters since I take up all the available space. I prefer pocket carry in a pocket holster. Not as convenient as at the waist but easier to conceal.

Mrs. JTB and I were qualified NRA safety instructors at one time and that took care of the 'training' requirement Virginia demands.

Posted by: JTB at November 11, 2018 07:18 PM (V+03K)

25 Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (eciqi)
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You bet. Thanks for writing it!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:18 PM (vTIef)

26 I can't stand it. Got a couple gubs on layaway, Ruger Blackhawk flatop stainless .357 conv with the 9mm cylinder and...and....a JC Higgins-mfg by H ampersand H .22lr 9-shot revolver. This is special! Giving me a woody.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 07:18 PM (zLDYs)

27 When in a far north uptate county in NY, I applied for the permit and said I needed to carry for personal safety, as I had to carry a lot of cash to pay cash wages to moonlighting tradesmen.

The state cop BCI detective when doing the one on one interview with me said, "really? Go on." I said it was for realzz.

He grinned and said, let's just change this to "likes to shoot." I said sure, OK

Posted by: Les Kinetic at November 11, 2018 07:18 PM (+fPHo)

28 Will do, Patrick.

Posted by: Ex-ex at November 11, 2018 07:19 PM (aohgv)

29 "Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (eciqi)"

There is so much common sense in that book, it should be illegal.

Quick folks. Get it before they impose an Assault Book ban!!

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:19 PM (YkzPs)

30 Prayers up, Patrick.

Hospice can be a blessing. Please keep your spirits up.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 07:19 PM (PkVlr)

31 i gotta get on the stick...

we have both a Pacific and 2 Europeon bring back, both with limited stories and a RSVN bring back with a good bit of detail. the Pacific one has no details, because i found it at the asshole gun shop, and they weren't interested in helping me contact the sellers, because they're assholes and there was no money in it for them.

i'll likely get them submitted in #twoweeks...

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 07:19 PM (Dagiw)

32 The 11mm st Etienne pistol cartridge was one of the cartridges reviewed in advance of beginning trials for the .45 ACP. It was considered "good, but will not pierce the skulls of horses" which was an important consideration.

I own two of them. One was rechambered to .45 ACP and I reload BP cartridges for, and the other is good but has a broken main spring.

Lovely pistol. Much nicer than the pinfire models used previously, and much more useful than the 9mm rimmed cartridges that were considered typical for European armies at the time.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2018 07:20 PM (mUa7G)

33 Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 11, 2018 07:17 PM

Terrible news, praying she is being kept comfortable.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 07:20 PM (T4oHT)

34 I agree that carrying a gun is not to be taken lightly. It may be a right to keep and bear arms, but it's also a responsibility.

I just wish more people were willing and able to take that responsibility.

For me, it's part of being a man. Of being capable of protecting myself, my family, my friends. A man who can't or won't do that is diminished in my eyes.

It's also made me a better person, ironically. I avoid trouble now, don't get into arguments and temper my driving (somewhat), I avoid trouble areas because if things do escalate, I might have to kill someone. And I don't take that lightly.

Finally for me it's about having options. I've had a gun put in my face and felt that cold feeling down your guts when you realize you are at the other person's mercy, utterly. Because they had a gun and I didn't. I vowed never to be an unarmed victim again.

Hence the discipline. And carrying a gun all the time is a discipline, it's not easy. Not comfortable, often.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:20 PM (xJa6I)

35 Prayers, Patrick.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 07:21 PM (EbOpT)

36 As far as carry, I have on right now a G19 and two G17 mags, both in Tagua leather. Comfy.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 07:21 PM (zLDYs)

37 I carry IWB, strong side. There's really no way to adequately conceal my carry weapon otherwise. I generally wear loose, untucked shirts to keep from printing or otherwise revealing I'm carrying.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 07:21 PM (NWiLs)

38 I have a 380 that I carry in my front pocket when I'm wearing shorts. Very concealable that way.

Two of those. One is a Jimenez POS. The other is a Smith Bodyguard.

Posted by: Ex-ex at November 11, 2018 07:21 PM (aohgv)

39 Of course no idea of top picture but thinking guy didn't start out with that but sat down and it went through his pants.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 07:22 PM (T4oHT)

40 Georgia is a ccw state and a pocket pistol with required holster draws less attention than having on the hip.
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 11, 2018 07:13 PM (aohgv)
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I have a 380 that I carry in my front pocket when I'm wearing shorts. Very concealable that way.
Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (vTIef)

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I did that too. Ruger LCP in a Galco pocket holster. Holster was rubberized on the outside so it stuck in your pocket for an easy draw.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 07:22 PM (I16G8)

41 Prayers up Patrick.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 11, 2018 07:23 PM (gEvQ8)

42 I don't need a permit to buy a book or permission to write a book. I don't need a permit to exercise my rights under the 5th. Criminals don't have carry permits, so why do I, a responsible citizen and good neighbor, need a permit to carry a firearm when the 2nd allows me to keep and bear srms?

Posted by: colfax mingo at November 11, 2018 07:23 PM (tCvhJ)

43 Cleaning the Mark III Government .22 and the SP-101 38/357, both Rugers, after some range work a few days ago.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at November 11, 2018 07:23 PM (+fPHo)

44 LOL, great picture !

"I firmly believe that the single best carry gun in the universe is the one you actually have with you when you need it. "
This, absolutely.
Practically a mantra for me when I carried a North American .22LR.

WI is "shall issue", and I got my card literally days after I applied.
4 hours of classroom instruction.

OWB, all the way for the J-frame I routinely carry. In the summer, I have a bellyband that works pretty well under a baggy t-shirt. Winter, anything goes. 1911 in a shoulder holster is not unheard of.
Trying out a Sig P290 as an alternate carry gun right now.
-more-

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:23 PM (tSXzq)

45 Florida CCP here. Everyday carry a glock 27 in kydex boot holster (I generally wear loose fitting suit trousers.) Weekend carry .380 tcp when wearing shorts-iwb kydex holster if wearing untucked fishing-type shirt (usual) or same holster in pocket with t shirt.

Posted by: Farmer Bob- internet comedy coach at November 11, 2018 07:23 PM (87EdW)

46 Ive been around guns since being old enough to safely operate them. First pistol I shot was a Browning 1911, first rifle was a 30-06 Remington and first shotgun was a Browning 12 gauge.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:23 PM (YkzPs)

47 I have a 380 that I carry in my front pocket when I'm wearing shorts. Very concealable that way.
Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:16 PM (vTIef)

Is that a firearm, or are you just happy to see me?

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:25 PM (NXsWM)

48 Now onto the fun part

I have a few holsters I like: Desantis and Galco for two. I prefer leather holsters over kydex and I like them with a retention snap for security. But by far the most comfortable OWB holsters have been by Don Hume. They fit me so well, the gun is just part of me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:25 PM (xJa6I)

49 Now that I have the 10/22 rim fire and a good solid pistol, my next buy will be a shotgun, then a centerfire rifle. You guys said this could get addictive.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 11, 2018 07:26 PM (gEvQ8)

50 Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:25 PM (NXsWM)
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I've been waiting for something along those lines!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:26 PM (vTIef)

51 I did that too. Ruger LCP in a Galco pocket holster. Holster was rubberized on the outside so it stuck in your pocket for an easy draw.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 07:22 PM (I16G

I have a Taurus TCP with something similar from Soft Armor. It's got rubberized stuff all around the outside and enough of a 'blade' that it stays in the pocket well enough.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 07:26 PM (t+qrx)

52 Weasel,
It's before 100 comments, but because it is the 100th anniversary of the Armistice of the war my paternal grandfather fought in, I will risk your wrath by posting a link to some web articles about WW1 US infantry weapons:

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/sos.htm

I found it on this Doughboy website. Lots of stuff about the AEF.

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/dbc2.htm

God bless all our fallen, wounded, and all veterans.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2018 07:26 PM (AMIL/)

53 I sure don't want him to fart in my general direction.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2018 07:27 PM (sdi6R)

54 If I used a shoulder rig (I don't) it would be for a CZ75 or Smith Model 10. No need for a smaller weapon with a shoulder holster unless you're James Bond in a tuxedo.

Posted by: JTB at November 11, 2018 07:27 PM (V+03K)

55 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:25 PM (xJa6I)
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Take a look at Garrett holsters they're Kydex lined with leather.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:27 PM (vTIef)

56 The only leather holster I have is a Vega, imported from Italy.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:28 PM (YkzPs)

57 I live in Alaska. We have guns. We carry them. Not just to protect us from bad people. Also from bad bears, and sometimes bad moose.

Nobody bats an eye over concealed or otherwise. They are simply tools that help one do the job.

The fear of firearms in the Lower 48 is born of ignorance and stupidity, and sometimes by the mentality of the sheep.

I would no more go hiking or biking without protection than I would have crazy monkey sex with a sex worker without protection. Although, I'm not likely to have that crazy monkey sex any time soon, that is, ever. But you get my point.

And there's nothing better for concealed carry than a boob holster, and the boobs to strap it to.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:28 PM (NXsWM)

58 Of course my dream pistol is a Spanish Navy Kerr model 1864 converted to centerfire. They are known as model 1873 Transformado

Now that is 11mm of hand-cannon, suitable for the Philipines.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2018 07:28 PM (mUa7G)

59 My usual carry gun is a Kimber Compact Custom in 45 ACP with a 4 inch barrel.

My winter carry is the Ultra Raptor II carried it in a Galco OWB leather holster. Smooth as silk.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 11, 2018 07:29 PM (Tyii7)

60 Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2018 07:26 PM (AMIL/)
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No worries. Thanks for the link!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:29 PM (vTIef)

61 so first photo - can he sit?

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 11, 2018 07:29 PM (dMvl+)

62 so first photo - can he sit?
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 11, 2018 07:29 PM (dMvl+)

On a bicycle with no saddle!

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 07:30 PM (t+qrx)

63 prayers up, Patrick

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 11, 2018 07:30 PM (dMvl+)

64 Ok. Can't help it. You guys with your concealed pistols are fucking HOT

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 07:30 PM (PkVlr)

65 I bet that guy's skidmarks have skidmarks.

Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2018 07:31 PM (UdKB7)

66 More fun is the gun part!

My criteria isn't so much size and weight, I carry OWB and living in the Seattle area, I can wear a jacket most of the year. Also I'm a large mammal so that....padding and my build helps with most concealment options.

But for me the gun has to be accurate and reliable. Reliability being the drop-dead requirement. (Which is why my PPQ is not in my carry rotation)

The most reliable guns I've found have been Springfield Armory's XD series. The XD9 and XD45, the former I've put north of 20k rounds through it. The gun digests everything and is very accurate if I focus. It's a little top-heavy, like a SIG, but it's my fav.

Secondarily, we have the Glocks. The Glock 19, 21 most of all. The Glock 19 I call The Great Compromise. It may not be the best in every specific area but it's very good in every area. It's light, accurate and with factory 15 round mags, it's perfectly reliable. I will add one cavet that every once in a while, larger capacity magazines (the 17, 22 and 33 round variety) have hiccuped. I don't recommend them for combat but they're great for the range.

I have other pistols I'll carry, especially in summer. A Smith and Wesson 36 hammerless and the Kel Tec FP9. Sometimes I'll carry a Makarov in my jacket liner pocket, Israel carry-style.

But tops for me are the XD and Glocks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:31 PM (xJa6I)

67

I carry crossdraw (left hip, 10 degree forward cant) OWB. The weapon is my 1911A1.
Never have had an issue with printing--yet--and I practice drawing the weapon regularly. The weapon is carried cocked and locked, as designed.
Only other thing is my shirt or coat has snaps rather than buttons or zipper.
No hangups when you pull quickly.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 11, 2018 07:31 PM (S/hVx)

68 Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:28 PM (NXsWM)"

I have a friend from the service who lives in AK. I laugh every time he tells me the neighbor and him take turns covering each other on garbage day.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:32 PM (YkzPs)

69 Cleaning the Mark III Government .22

I stripped my Mk III for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Once I figured out (with the help of some YouTube vids) what went where when reinstalling the mainspring housing, it wasn't so bad. Thinking I may get one of those quick strip kits when I do a trigger upgrade.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderber's phone at November 11, 2018 07:32 PM (ICLeG)

70 God bless all our fallen, wounded, and all veterans.
Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2018 07:26 PM (AMIL/)

My family has long generations, and my grandpa chased Pancho Villa around Mexico with Pershing before shipping off to France as a Marine to fight the Hun. He was highly decorated, but we didn't know that until he died in 1978, because he never spoke of it. He named his youngest daughter Leila after a tiny little French lady he met over there (he was married, but it was war, you know) as far as we can tell by the letters we unearthed. And now you can find muster rolls from that time period on Ancestry by way of one of their services. So now we know that when he wasn't busy fighting someone, he was drinking on guard duty and getting busted down to bread and water.

Different times, but the same soldiers. God bless 'em all, living and dead.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:32 PM (NXsWM)

71 55 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:25 PM (xJa6I)
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Take a look at Garrett holsters they're Kydex lined with leather.
Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:27 PM (vTIef)

I will! Thanks, googling them now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:33 PM (xJa6I)

72 I have a permit for "Sportsmen" activities which, in NY State basically allows you to carry during or on way to any of your customary outdoor activities, and while engaging in hiking, fishing, etc EXCEPT for anyplace on State wild land in which there are myriad separate regulations, including no guns in campgrounds, during hunting season other than in a legal hunting caliber etc.

This is the best I could get in our suburban blue county.

But my real point is that the biggest reason I'm not looking to carry regularly is that I'm genuinely concerned about the not-so-low probability of a traffic stop by LE while carrying. I've seen a good number of "how to" be stopped by LE when carrying, including by the always sensible and very informed Massad Ayoob.

But I've also seen the video of that panicky, POS Minnesota LE guy in the Castillo shooting just freaking out and giving contradictory, rapid-fire instructions and then shooting the guy.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 11, 2018 07:33 PM (j4US8)

73 61 so first photo - can he sit?

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books!

He could sit on a toilet seat in that configuration...but that would lead to further problems if he sat on it for reasons other than resting his fee.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2018 07:33 PM (AMIL/)

74 I've appendix carried a G19 in an Uncle Mike's inside the pants holster since 1995.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 07:34 PM (2DOZq)

75 I have a friend from the service who lives in AK. I laugh every time he tells me the neighbor and him take turns covering each other on garbage day.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:32 PM (YkzPs)

My husband went to take the garbage out after we first moved him up here, in his sweats and slippers, and failed to notice the bull moose across the street.

I mentioned it to him out the window. I believe we had to burn those sweats.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:34 PM (NXsWM)

76 I think if reliability is the ultimate requirement, you really can't beat a double-action revolver, like the 686.

Posted by: Farmer Bob- internet comedy coach at November 11, 2018 07:34 PM (87EdW)

77 Andrew, can't find the hard back copy on that link.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2018 07:35 PM (2na8x)

78 Nope. kinda favor the John McLane's version of "tape it across the back for instant access"! I prefer the Glock 17 for these type of events but I'm sure that there's a long laundry list of suitable firearms that would fit the bill.BTW: Thanx to the Horde for being just what they are!

Posted by: missguided silorguy at November 11, 2018 07:35 PM (Q5R7z)

79 I will! Thanks, googling them now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:33 PM (xJa6I)
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Let us know what you think. I have a bunch and love them. Their customer service is great, too!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:35 PM (vTIef)

80 with the first two or three cylinders loaded with snake shot.
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I don't much like the sound of that...

Posted by: A Snake at November 11, 2018 07:36 PM (U7Mh9)

81 I have family planted in Belgium and France, two on the Vietnam Wall, about a half dozen more who fought in conflicts buried in various Veterans cemeteries. Pretty sure there's another KIA at Little Bighorn.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:36 PM (YkzPs)

82 I read about some CC training beginning at about 3 yards. There's probably a reason for that but it escapes me. I start training at 10 yards and go out to 25. I try for 3 inch or smaller groups, rapid fire, at each distance. Can't always do that but that's what training is for.

Posted by: JTB at November 11, 2018 07:36 PM (V+03K)

83 80 with the first two or three cylinders loaded with snake shot.
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I don't much like the sound of that...
Posted by: A Snake at November 11, 2018 07:36 PM (U7Mh9)

Well, yeah, and watch out for the Fat Broad, too.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:37 PM (NXsWM)

84 OWB carriers - do you always wear a sportcoat or a jacket? I can only do tuckable kidney IWB because my daily wear is chinos and a tucked-in Oxford shirt.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 07:37 PM (t+qrx)

85 Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:34 PM (NXsWM)

I'm dying here. lol

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:37 PM (YkzPs)

86 And yes, "compelling defense" is a great concept.
I never carry anything but square-john factory loads.
158 RN lead in .38.
230 FMJ in .45
While trying out the P290 I am firing 115 FMJ.
Jeepers, at the local gun store, some of the ammo they sell - "zombie approved", ffs ?
I always think of trying to explain that in court under questioning by a leftist prosecutor.

- range day report follows -

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:37 PM (tSXzq)

87 My family has long generations, and my grandpa chased Pancho Villa around Mexico with Pershing before shipping off to France

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:32 PM (NXsWM)

An interesting coincidence there - my grandpa also served in the Punitive Expedition chasing after Villa. He was in a unit of the South Dakota National Guard that was nationalized for the Villa chase. But he stayed in the SD NG, so was in the Army in France.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2018 07:37 PM (AMIL/)

88 Nevermind.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2018 07:38 PM (2na8x)

89 What is it with Europeans and their clunky revolver designs?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 11, 2018 07:38 PM (rGIJb)

90 I carry a Glock 26 now in an OWB because it doesn't print like my S&W 5906...damn I really like the S&W. I'll sometimes carry it, also in an OWB during the winter because more clothes to conceal. The good thing about the model 5906 is the 15+1 where as the G26 is 10+1.

Posted by: Traveling Man at November 11, 2018 07:38 PM (R5lpX)

91 82 I read about some CC training beginning at about 3 yards. There's probably a reason for that but it escapes me. I start training at 10 yards and go out to 25. I try for 3 inch or smaller groups, rapid fire, at each distance. Can't always do that but that's what training is for.
Posted by: JTB at November 11, 2018 07:36 PM (V+03K)

Because you can find yourself fighting for your life at contact distance.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 07:38 PM (NWiLs)

92 You'll shoot your butt off!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2018 07:39 PM (fZcn6)

93 Now I miss B.C.

Posted by: klaftern at November 11, 2018 07:39 PM (RuIsu)

94 fee should be feet at the end of comment 73, dang it.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2018 07:39 PM (AMIL/)

95 When I lived in MA it was a may issue state. Basically town by town. If the sheriff didn't like guns you didn't get a permit. I lived in a town that was OK with guns, so I got one.

Now I've been in CT for mumble years and I had kept not finding the $200 for various filing fees to get a pistol permit. That's after the whatever the NRA course costs and includes filing fees to the state and the town and fingerprinting and passport photos and shipping and handling.

I made it a priority in late August. I got everything in. Now I'm two months in to the possibly four month process of waiting to find out if I'm approved for a temporary permit.

The weird thing about CT is I can't even buy long gun ammo without the pistol permit. There's some alternative pathway for a weird rifle-only license but it's as much a pain in the ass as the pistol permit so why not?

Anyway, I hope to know by Christmas how it turns out.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 07:39 PM (fuK7c)

96 "77 Andrew, can't find the hard back copy on that link."

That link is hardcover-specific, there's no choice to make--place your order, you'll get the hardcover. :-)

--Andrew

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 07:39 PM (eciqi)

97 Prayers Patrick

In addition to the excellent thread article, I would like to add that the ettes and the morons too, should look at the Well Armed Woman.com for all firearm related shopping and excellent articles on the subject.
Carrie Lightfoot, the owner, was elected to the BOD of the NRA this past spring. She has grown the WAW from a tiny online shop with a few holsters for women to an influential organization that now has shooting chapters for women across the country.

Also strongly recommend the Ukoala bag for both men and women. The carry version has either a zipper or magnetic closure compartment that has Velcro for attaching a holster. You can order a custom Kydex or they come with a nylon soft holster. Many men carry these to ride motorcycles, bicycles, and hunt and I love mine as a female. No more fear of leaving the shopping cart with my purse in it, no extra conceal holsters, etc.

https://ukoalabag.com/

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2018 07:39 PM (jCCZJ)

98 A belt holster, whether OWB or IWB, is part of a system, the other primary component of which is the belt.

Don't skimp on the belt.

Also consider how to carry additional magazines, or ammo if using a revolver. Particularly with semis, a mag change is the fastest way away from a malfunction.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 11, 2018 07:40 PM (DMUuz)

99 There's no good reason why my grandpa survived France in WWI, after being gassed and fighting at Alsace Lorraine, but I'm rather glad he did, or I would not be here to write about it. Imagine how England would be different without WWI. The generations would not have turned the way they did, for certain. Something like 1/4 of the men died in that war, which is hardly negligible in terms of genetics, etc.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:40 PM (NXsWM)

100 Make sure you have invested in CC "insurance". Two recommended sources are USCCA and (preferred), Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. These organizations can help you obtain legal help if you are involved in a self defense situation. Strictly, this is not insurance, but assistance with legal issues for legal self defense.

Posted by: BadaBing at November 11, 2018 07:41 PM (DboVH)

101 84- In Florida, even if I start the day in a jacket/sport coat, it's coming off. I have a tuckable IWB, but it's seems to print/lump. That's why I went to boot carry. I can pull up my trouser leg quickly enough with the left hand and draw with the right. Don't really anticipate any quick draw contests.

Posted by: Farmer Bob- internet comedy coach at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (87EdW)

102 In my CC class the instructor cited "the Rule of Threes":
typical "shooting affray",
3 yards
3 rounds
3 seconds.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (tSXzq)

103 Having a huge fight on FB with a Jewish friend of a distance friend who insists on calling PDT a Nazi and I let her have it. LOL. These people are bat shit crazy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (Fh8wK)

104 Anyway, I hope to know by Christmas how it turns out.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 07:39 PM (fuK7c)

In Alaska, if you want a gun and you are not a felon, you go buy one and carry it if you wish to.

Quite sensible.

When was the last time you heard about a mass shooting in Alaska?

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (NXsWM)

105 Well, yeah, and watch out for the Fat Broad, too.
Posted by: tcn

ISWYDT

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (fZcn6)

106 All right, range report.

As part of the protest vs stupid WA voters....and as an anniversary present to myself....I bought a Gen 3 Glock 17. It's a police trade in/blue box. LOTS of holster wear but mechanically sound as a truck.

Did some side by side comparison shooting vs my Glock 19 carry pistol. It is shooting consistently left and a little down for me, compared too the Glock 19 using the same ammo. I think it's the police trigger pull??? It's a bit heavier than my G19.

Any other morons who want to weigh in on why I'd suddenly be shooting left and down a bit, I'd welcome the feedback. Sights seem fine, in side by side comparison to my G19, rear sight seems centered.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

107 101 84- In Florida, even if I start the day in a jacket/sport coat, it's coming off. I have a tuckable IWB, but it's seems to print/lump. That's why I went to boot carry. I can pull up my trouser leg quickly enough with the left hand and draw with the right. Don't really anticipate any quick draw contests.
Posted by: Farmer Bob- internet comedy coach at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (87EdW)

Fellow Floridian here. It's just too damn hot to wear a jacket most of the time so no OWB carry for me.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (NWiLs)

108 You folks with the OWB holsters that do not print - what is your outerwear? How does that work for you?

What about when you have to lift your arms up? How does this work, practically?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (VhKw6)

109 My husband went to take the garbage out after we first moved him up here, in his sweats and slippers, and failed to notice the bull moose across the street.

Bull Moose? You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: zombie Teddy Roosevelt at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (DMUuz)

110 Y'all know the way we talk about firearms? Well, the left talk about skinny jeans and crocs the same way. Think about that.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 07:44 PM (zLDYs)

111 Patrick - prayers of course.

IWB strong side for me. My EDC used to be my beloved Colt 1911 but after a time, it felt too big and awkward to conceal and I started to not wear it consistently. So now down to a S/W Shield.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 11, 2018 07:44 PM (9rIkM)

112 Just curious, BadaBing, why preferred ?
I've got USCCA now.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:44 PM (tSXzq)

113 Like everyone, I have a drawer full of holsters, but I stopped looking after I tried the Remora IWB for my Shield.

It has a hook that can be removed if you like, but I feel much more comfortable not relying solely on the special material to keep things in place. Although it appears to do it fine and people rave about not needing anything hooked to their belt. That approach isn't for me, though.

It's the tuckable version, which is nice, but I wear suits or sportcoats almost all year so I generally just keep it hidden that way. I like having the option on days I'm more casual, though.

https://www.remoraholsterstore.com/
tuckable-holsters/

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 07:44 PM (LX21o)

114 They try to limit carry on my County with that Sportsman Permit bullshit. I keep waiting for the right case to hit SCOTUS so we can end that nonsense. Meanwhile one county over is full CCW :-/

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:45 PM (YkzPs)

115 That top picture reminded me I know of a couple of times guys lost phones in potty rental, I don't want to hear someone losing a hand gun in one.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 07:45 PM (T4oHT)

116 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (xJa6I)
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Anticipating the shot maybe?

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

117 My husband went to take the garbage out after we first moved him up here, in his sweats and slippers, and failed to notice the bull moose across the street.

Was Squirrel with him?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 07:45 PM (Fh8wK)

118 Based on personal experience, if I were to CC a 45acp, it would be a Springfield Armory XD. It's fairly small for a 45 but comfortable to shoot and so far has been completely reliable.

If I were to carry a full size piece, it would be a CZ 75b. In my opinion it's the best 9mm out there.

Posted by: JTB at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (V+03K)

119 84 OWB carriers - do you always wear a sportcoat or a jacket? I can only do tuckable kidney IWB because my daily wear is chinos and a tucked-in Oxford shirt.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 07:37 PM (t+qrx)

Jacket or a flannel shirt. In the really hot days, I will rock the fanny pack. I have an old Camelbak Goblin. I wish they still made that today. Perfect for carry, used to carry my '92 in it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (xJa6I)

120 Mark, I seem to remember someone saying here that there were so many police accidentally discharging their weapons when drawing that they increased the trigger pull to prevent it. Dunno.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (gEvQ8)

121 Just curious, BadaBing, why preferred ?
I've got USCCA now.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:44 PM (tSXzq)

I found this matrix, or something similar, when I was shopping. I have USCCA too, FWIW.

https://vcdl.org/Legal-Plans

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (t+qrx)

122 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (Fh8wK)

These people remind me of the Jewish Police in the movie The Pianist .

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (2DOZq)

123 When was the last time you heard about a mass shooting in Alaska?
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (NXsWM)

Given population density in AK, suicides probably count as mass shootings.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (NWiLs)

124 If you use a belt holster do you find it easier to cross body carry?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 07:47 PM (2TTOn)

125 Carrying a firearm is a very serious business and needs to be treated as such.

Had a local radio personality who was into All Things Right Wing. I was appalled to hear him talking one day about how he was at the airport and forgot that he had his gun with him.

That is not something a person should ever "forget".

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at November 11, 2018 07:47 PM (o7l6R)

126 "110 Y'all know the way we talk about firearms? Well, the left talk about skinny jeans and crocs the same way. Think about that.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 07:44 PM (zLDYs) "

Dear Lord, that is so true, I've actually heard them do it.
Gonna be a short CW.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:47 PM (tSXzq)

127 You folks with the OWB holsters that do not print - what is your outerwear? How does that work for you?

What about when you have to lift your arms up? How does this work, practically?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (VhKw6)

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Honestly, this is one of the best parts of living in an open carry state. A little printing or exposure doesn't end up with you having six officers with guns pointing at you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 07:48 PM (LX21o)

128 116 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (xJa6I)
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Anticipating the shot maybe?
Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

....Maybe??? I was shooting side by side with my G19 and didn't see that with the 19. If I was flinching/anticipating I'd expect to see it in the 19 groups as well. I'm inclined to blame the trigger but that could be wishful shopping thinking.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:48 PM (xJa6I)

129 OWB carriers - do you always wear a sportcoat or a jacket? I can only do
tuckable kidney IWB because my daily wear is chinos and a tucked-in
Oxford shirt.

I've found that a light weigh fleece zip-up vest does the trick, from Fall through Spring.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 11, 2018 07:48 PM (Tyii7)

130 I've observed a fair number of people, including myself, who shoot low and left with Glocks. The only 2 Glocks that isn't the case with for me is a 42 and a 19 with a ZEV trigger.

You might want to try a different connector.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 11, 2018 07:48 PM (DMUuz)

131 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:48 PM (xJa6I)
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I usually take a few guns to the range and it takes a few rounds to get accustomed to the 'new' gun and trigger.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

132 My husband went to take the garbage out after we first moved him up here, in his sweats and slippers, and failed to notice the bull moose across the street.

>>>

Did the bull moose try to pull a rabbit out of his hat?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist posting that!)

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2018 07:49 PM (AMIL/)

133

And there's nothing better for concealed carry than a boob holster, and the boobs to strap it to.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:28 PM (NXsWM)

Wait, what?

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 07:50 PM (kiSdp)

134 120 Mark, I seem to remember someone saying here that there were so many police accidentally discharging their weapons when drawing that they increased the trigger pull to prevent it. Dunno.
Posted by: Old Blue at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (gEvQ

Yeah. Wish I had a trigger gauge to measure the pull. It 'feels' heavier but I'm not great at determining that by feel. I can tell a really bad or really good trigger but this is in between.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:50 PM (xJa6I)

135 "Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 07:43 PM (VhKw6) "

Field shirts and other tops made by people in the industry. You'll generally even find the t shirts are looser and longer.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 07:51 PM (YkzPs)

136 130 I've observed a fair number of people, including myself, who shoot low and left with Glocks. The only 2 Glocks that isn't the case with for me is a 42 and a 19 with a ZEV trigger.

You might want to try a different connector.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 11, 2018 07:48 PM (DMUuz)

Thanks. I was thinking of getting an APEX trigger and a 3.5 pound ghost connector, depending on the collective moron wisdom. I usually keep my guns 'stock' but if the problem here is a heavy trigger, I feel I should fix it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:51 PM (xJa6I)

137 120 Mark, I seem to remember someone saying here that there were so many police accidentally discharging their weapons when drawing that they increased the trigger pull to prevent it. Dunno.
Posted by: Old Blue at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (gEvQ

I believe it was inspired by the NYPD who can't shoot for shit and have had some well publicized panic fire incidents.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 07:51 PM (NWiLs)

138 "Honestly, this is one of the best parts of living in an open carry state. A little printing or exposure doesn't end up with you having six officers with guns pointing at you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG at November 11, 2018 07:48 PM (LX21o) "

Same in WI, thankfully.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:52 PM (tSXzq)

139 Wait, what?

Posted by: clutch

You heard the lady. Now ask for a pic. There are rules.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 07:53 PM (fuK7c)

140 I wear larger and longer shirts...T-shirts and polos. They seem to work good for me.

Posted by: Traveling Man at November 11, 2018 07:53 PM (R5lpX)

141 Given population density in AK, suicides probably count as mass shootings.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (NWiLs)

They count 'em that way in the Lower 48, and probably also call them school shootings, to boot.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:53 PM (NXsWM)

142 Of course, if you have a badge you can leave your service weapon on the passenger seat of your cruiser, in plain sight, unlocked, loaded, only later to have it stolen and used to murder Kate Steinle.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 07:54 PM (w7KSn)

143 sultanknish.blogspot /god and guns in synagogue
https://tinyurl.com/y7c7oprl

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 07:54 PM (T4oHT)

144 https://www.flashbangstore.com/

For all your boob holster ccw needs.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:54 PM (NXsWM)

145 The Guns of Navarone got lost in the water.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 11, 2018 07:54 PM (aKsyK)

146 124 If you use a belt holster do you find it easier to cross body carry?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 07:47 PM (2TTOn)

Nah. Belly aside, it's not as secure. I don't want someone drawing my pistol from my holster easier than I can.

I go with a 3 or 4:30 position, strong-side. Or a 9 o-clock if I'm carrying left handed.

If I was sitting down all day, like a truck driver, that might change my answer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:55 PM (xJa6I)

147 Some of the best training you can get is at the Ayood Group (Massad Ayoob). If you carry, additional training beyond the legally required training to get your CC license is necessay. I also encourage you to get trauma training (good source is Black Angel) so you can save lives (including your own). Have a trauma kit with you (tourniquet, etc.)

Posted by: BadaBing at November 11, 2018 07:56 PM (DboVH)

148 Mark, I seem to remember someone saying here that there were so many police accidentally discharging their weapons when drawing that they increased the trigger pull to prevent it. Dunno.
Posted by: Old Blue at November 11, 2018 07:46 PM (gEvQ

I believe it was inspired by the NYPD who can't shoot for shit and have had some well publicized panic fire incidents.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 07:51 PM (NWiLs)

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I think it was that thing known as "Glock leg" that may have gotten them to tighten up.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 07:56 PM (I16G8)

149 Yes! I'm here in time for the gun thread!
Old news but my EDC is a Ruger LCP in .380, carried in aTalon wallet holster. Fits in cargo pants front pocket or back pants pocket and prints just like a wallet. Small round, but it's with me always. Always. Always.
And the holster doesn't make my ass look fat.

Posted by: RI Red at November 11, 2018 07:56 PM (cgNd1)

150 I have most of my holsters setup strong side, 3 o'clock, slight forward cant.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

151 If you live in WA state, Insights Training is top notch.

Some of the instructors are a bit...gruff, but on the whole, they know their stuff.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 07:57 PM (xJa6I)

152 Andrew

Sent you a book and CD order.

Looking forward to the info.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 07:57 PM (hyuyC)

153 The trick to carrying everyday is ...to carry...everyday. I have been doing that for 22 years, ever since I retired from the Navy (hint- Navy is kinda funny about carrying concealed while in uniform, yeah I know weird). Many ways/styles of carry and many different firearms, but ALWAYS carry. Always. When that bad shit happens, it happens unexpectedly and righteffing now. I love you people and want you safe on the other side of the crap on the horizon (or next door).

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 07:57 PM (zLDYs)

154 I have been having this ongoing discussion about my carry situation - I thought I had settled on the answer, but I am not satisfied with it.

Just a quick review, went from a belly band that did not do the trick, and moved to a shoulder hoslter that was elastic (and black) and then another that is white. (this goes under my dress shirts and sports coat).

The white one is tighter than the black one, and I moved back to the black one with darker shirts.

But with this there are a couple of things - its a bit warm, will work fine in the winter, but summer is gonna be a bear. Also, I kinda get the ettes and their need to be free of their bras at the end of the day. So starting to fail on my comfort category, but still up there on concealment and security.

So I am going to keep trying.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 07:58 PM (VhKw6)

155 That's another thing I have grown to really like about that tuckable Remora. It's essentially an infinite-cant design since you can rotate it however much you like.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:00 PM (LX21o)

156 I'm sure this is a totally dumb ass question but does any one make a multiple shot pistol that uses a shotgun shell?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (2TTOn)

157 BTW, my carry gun is a Kel-Tec PF9 which is quite small.

It can go in a jacket pocket if I need to quickly go without strapping up - I have jackets with zipper pockets that I wear for that purpose.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (VhKw6)

158 Handguns like the P365 are making it easier to carry a smaller gun. 10 rounds plus one in the chamber, 9mm. It's very accurate and has a great trigger. It's also very concealable.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (YkzPs)

159 I can't remember if we discussed ankle holsters before. Are any of them worth a crap, and by that I mean the pistol stays in unless you remove it?

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (kiSdp)

160 Isn't the Taurus Judge .45 long colt and/or .410? Four or five rounds IIRC.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:02 PM (LX21o)

161 156 I'm sure this is a totally dumb ass question but does any one make a multiple shot pistol that uses a shotgun shell?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (2TTOn)

The Taurus Judge is VERY popular. Smith and Wesson makes a copy. Shoots a .410 or 45 Colt (not ACP).

Its...better than nothing. But unless you really hate snakes, there are many better options.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:02 PM (xJa6I)

162 I'm sure this is a totally dumb ass question but does any one make a multiple shot pistol that uses a shotgun shell?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (2TTOn)

Those Taurus Judge revolvers that are 45 LC/.410?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:02 PM (VhKw6)

163 In the majority of states, having a CCW permit will also save you from having to wait on the NICS check before you can buy a gun. They just substitute your license number for the NCIS token on the 4473 and into the safe it goes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 08:02 PM (yQpMk)

164 Good night all, may all your dreams end up in ( gun) smoke

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 08:02 PM (T4oHT)

165 I carry one of two hammer-fired pistols in an IWB holster at 4:30. Pistol 1 is an M1911 with a 5-inch barrel but more lately I carry a Ruger Security 9 with a 4-inch barrel.

Both my pistols have a thumb safety and are carried cocked and locked.

Find a holster that is comfortable and accessible. Practice drawing from that holster.

Carry an extra magazine. Magazines can and do fail. I know this from personal experience. Practice clearing failures and dropping and inserting magazines.

I always carry Hornady Critical Defense JHP rounds. Practice with your carry rounds as well. Some shoot differently from FMJ range ammo.

I practice at the range at least 3 times a month. I seek out other training once or twice a year because firing at the range is not the same as tactical training.

Learn the laws of your state and of states you travel through or visit.

Visit Mr. Branca's Law of Self-Defense website regularly.

Consider carry insurance.

Practice situational awareness. Always know what is going on around you. I have left places that didn't feel "right." The first rule of a gun fight is to have a gun but the best gun fight is the one you avoid!

You must be the most calm, level-headed and polite person in the world when you carry. Legally and practically this matters. You do not have to draw and fire a firearm to be charged with a lot of things.

Be safe.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (2BPRE)

166 OK, here's a question about how you balance your carry choice with the scenarios you're preparing for.

Bad guy pointing at a good guy in a 7-11, you're at close quarters and a short .380 or snub nosed anything is fine. And way easier to carry.

Madman with an AR shooting up a nightclub is going to be too far away to hit with a 3" barrel, so how do you prepare to be the good guy with the gun?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (fuK7c)

167 Its...better than nothing. But unless you really hate snakes,

Who doesn't?

Posted by: Indiana Jones at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (bZ7mE)

168 The P365 will be my next carry gun, but last I read they were having some issues at release. Are they figured out now? If so I'll probably start actively trying to see one in person.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (LX21o)

169 Range day:

Today we did "shoot and move" - taking a cue from that 13 y.o. girl shooting 3-gun video, we set up targets at the base of big trees along a forest trail.
4 targets, a Mozambique each, move to next. (with an exception for the 5 shot J-frame)
Tried a couple courses firing without stopping, too.
It was ... interesting. Revealing, even. Coulda been worse.

The laser on the P290 seemed to help.

Bottom line, we still got some shots landing in the right places, and a lot of good reasons to do this again.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (tSXzq)

170 Old school here. DA/SA, single stack (though I'm tempted by the P365). IWB with rare exceptions. Leather, mainly Mitch Rosen, Milt Sparks, The Beltman.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (CeJUf)

171 167 Its...better than nothing. But unless you really hate snakes,

Who doesn't?
Posted by: Indiana Jones at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (bZ7mE)

LOL

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:04 PM (xJa6I)

172 I'm in Wisconsin, where we just pass a background check and wait three days. No fingerprints or classes or licensing unless you do conceal carry.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2018 08:04 PM (lwiT4)

173

Loose clothing has been the trick for me, normal wear is jeans and sweats, so the baggy sweat hides the weapon well.

Crossdraw ( for me ) is very unobtrusive, you don't make a production of reaching, stretching and waving arms about.

I daresay that I could pull and you might not even know what I was doing.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 11, 2018 08:04 PM (S/hVx)

174 What is it with Europeans and their clunky revolver designs?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 11, 2018 07:38 PM (rGIJb)

They started out with the lefaucheux pinfire design, and anything seems sleek and swift after that.

Actually the pistol was like a saber, it was the mark of authority not of use, and so big, bulky and in a clamshell holster that marks the officer is desired. Functionality was secondary, and even when they went to better designs they went with whimpy cartridges.

Pistols in warfare really didn't come into focus until trench warfare during WWI.

I mean, other than for the US that always considered pistols to be very important, and the Spanish that considered them to be the mark of a gentleman, not just an officer.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2018 08:04 PM (mUa7G)

175 Thanks guys but I guess there isn't anything out there that uses either a 12 0r 20g shell?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:05 PM (2TTOn)

176 Hey everybody.

I like these holsters - do you have a favorite brand
or style? What, if any, special clothing choices have you made to make concealing a weapon more practical?

Bonus points for 'ettes if it's a modified garter belt. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 11, 2018 08:05 PM (miE9U)

177 Ben Had @ 156- Mrs. E likes the S ampersand W Governor. 45 Long Colt, .410 shotgun, and .45 ACP with moonclips. A revolver that always goes bang when you pull the trigger. Sweet.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:05 PM (zLDYs)

178 But with this there are a couple of things - its a bit warm, will work fine in the winter, but summer is gonna be a bear. Also, I kinda get the ettes and their need to be free of their bras at the end of the day. So starting to fail on my comfort category, but still up there on concealment and security.

So I am going to keep trying.
Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 07:58 PM (VhKw6)

I know a lot of guys have a mental block with this, but you should consider Thunderwear or Smart Carry.
Yes, wearing your gun just above the goods in your pants.

Mr. Jen and I both have these for those occasions when you can't conceal well in a conventional IWB or belly band/Pistol wear type of holster. They are safe, work well and are comfortable. Our preference is smart carry.

Link below is to ITS tactical's review of both holsters.

https://tinyurl.com/yc8cu6z5

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2018 08:05 PM (jCCZJ)

179 If SIG has fixed the striker drag issue, the 365 is attractive.

I have a S&W Compact that holds 12, so don't think I 'need' one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (xJa6I)

180

You must be the most calm, level-headed and polite person in the world when you carry. Legally and practically this matters. You do not have to draw and fire a firearm to be charged with a lot of things.

Be safe.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (2BPRE)
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Excellent point. I meant to address this very thing
In the post!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

181 Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 11, 2018 07:11 PM (1g7ch)

Holy crap, dude, what kind of shoulder rig holds the gun in your armpit?

Mine ends up just under the nipple line (heh). If you're getting pit sweat on a shoulder rig, either, A) adjust the rig so your gat rides lower; or, 2) wear an undershirt (I do); or, iii) pick a better anti-perspirant.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (C1NyB)

182 Looks like from the sidebar that CNN and Jim Acosta will have to recuse themselves from covering the President.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (QrTqV)

183 I'm sure this is a totally dumb ass question but does any one make a multiple shot pistol that uses a shotgun shell?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (2TTOn)

Those Taurus Judge revolvers that are 45 LC/.410?
Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:02 PM (VhKw6)

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I was going to answer with this as well, but noticed it was "pistol" and not revolver, or just handgun.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (I16G8)

184 Some of the instructors are a bit...gruff, but on the whole, they know their stuff.

Heh. A few years back I took 3 days of advanced training from a really reputable instructor here in my area. He was a Marine (you never say "ex-") and retired SWAT. His "rangeside manner" was a bit unforgiving but boy did I come away from it with a treasure trove of practical knowledge and application.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (Tyii7)

185 Oh, yeah. Extra mag in a Snag-Mag on weakside pocket. Looks just like a clipped pocketknife.

Posted by: RI Red at November 11, 2018 08:07 PM (cgNd1)

186 Ben Had - Someone out there makes a replica of the LeMat - 6 round revolver with I think a 20 ga barrel slung underneath.
Rossi ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:08 PM (tSXzq)

187 I've carried a Taurus titanium .38 in a pocket holster on vacation. One of those with the leather flaps to the outside so that it doesn't print. Not my first gun choice anymore, but it's nice to have something small and light for shorts-and-t-shirt days like that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:08 PM (LX21o)

188 Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (C1NyB)
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Anti-persperant?

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

189 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBGt November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (LX21o)"

I have over 1,000 rounds through my P365. No issues, and I just stripped and clean it. Nothing unusual, none of the stuff some people are reporting on the intardnet. It has a March date code.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 08:08 PM (YkzPs)

190 Thanks guys but I guess there isn't anything out there that uses either a 12 0r 20g shell?

Cut down double shotgun? I don't think that there is any modern revolver or semi-auto that uses 20 gauge or larger shotgun shells, if that is what you are asking.

What do you want it for?

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 11, 2018 08:09 PM (bZ7mE)

191 175 Thanks guys but I guess there isn't anything out there that uses either a 12 0r 20g shell?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:05 PM (2TTOn)

Not in the really real world. Unless you count some 'pistols' that are custom jobs. Nothing like in the Appleseed anime.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:09 PM (xJa6I)

192 Here is a shoulder holster in the armpit:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yat4zkse

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:09 PM (VhKw6)

193 104
In Alaska, if you want a gun and you are not a felon, you go buy one and carry it if you wish to.

Quite sensible.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:42 PM (NXsWM)

Yeah. What's all this crap about needing a permit to exercise a right?

Did anyone have to get a permit in order to exercise their First Amendment right to comment here?

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2018 08:10 PM (sdi6R)

194 For all your boob holster ccw needs.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 11, 2018 07:54 PM (NXsWM)

Damn, that's not fair. At the risk of sounding really really creepy my daughter wants to get a CPL and somehow I should show her this site.

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 08:10 PM (kiSdp)

195 "Practice situational awareness. Always know what is going on around you. I have left places that didn't feel "right." The first rule of a gun fight is to have a gun but the best gun fight is the one you avoid!

You must be the most calm, level-headed and polite person in the world when you carry. Legally and practically this matters. You do not have to draw and fire a firearm to be charged with a lot of things.

Be safe.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 08:03 PM (2BPRE) "

Every word of this.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:10 PM (tSXzq)

196 I've read it's harder to make bullets than it is to make a gun.

Also, you make a gun once; you have to make bullets forever, if you want to keep using your gun.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 11, 2018 08:10 PM (miE9U)

197 I've also seen clever little wallet holsters for small .22 semi-autos like the Bobcat. I know more than a few lawyers who use those.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:11 PM (LX21o)

198 Do not pull that guys finger!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 08:11 PM (0tfLf)

199 184 Some of the instructors are a bit...gruff, but on the whole, they know their stuff.

Heh. A few years back I took 3 days of advanced training from a really reputable instructor here in my area. He was a Marine (you never say "ex-") and retired SWAT. His "rangeside manner" was a bit unforgiving but boy did I come away from it with a treasure trove of practical knowledge and application.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 11, 2018 08:06 PM (Tyii7)

LOL

Sounds like Greg Hamilton, though Greg is SF, not a Marine. Don't get me wrong, he's not abusive but he isn't an instructor I'd direct a new or uncertain student to. But if you can take the yelling on the range and the occasional sarcasm, he does know his stuff.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:12 PM (xJa6I)

200 Grey Fox. Seems to me that a larger pattern would be more effective in a clench situation.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:12 PM (2TTOn)

201 I like the fact that the later P365s seem to not have the problems of the first few batches. I'm on two waiting lists and hopefully the prices may come down a bit.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 11, 2018 08:12 PM (CeJUf)

202 I have a canted belt holster for the 1911 that sits over my wallet pocket with two spare mags on the opposite hip. Works very well with a sweater or a sport coat.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 11, 2018 08:13 PM (OUwAp)

203 I have over 1,000 rounds through my P365. No issues, and I just stripped and clean it. Nothing unusual, none of the stuff some people are reporting on the intardnet. It has a March date code.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2018 08:08 PM (YkzPs)

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Thanks. I know the squeaky wheels tend to be loudest, but I've been okay waiting simply because they're somewhat hard to find in person, too. I figured the two would level out at the same time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:13 PM (LX21o)

204 I can't remember if we discussed ankle holsters before. Are any of them worth a crap, and by that I mean the pistol stays in unless you remove it?
Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (kiSdp)

Yes. Stay with the soft, neoprene type. Leather is too clunky and uncomfortable. Plan on using it to carry a small gun, such as a 380 as a back up or if there is no other option in your dressing situation, as your primary.

This one is on Well Armed Woman, but Mr. Jen has one and likes it immensely. It has a garter to aid in it staying up and a thumb latch to secure over the back strap of your gun. Very comfortable and adds little bulk, so it doesn't show. Even so, you still want to be aware of not crossing legs over knee, etc. LOL.

https://tinyurl.com/y7q9pd38

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2018 08:13 PM (jCCZJ)

205 I've read it's harder to make bullets than it is to make a gun.

Making bullets isn't difficult, unless you require copper jacketing. Making modern gunpowder, primers, and cartridge casings would be more difficult, I think.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 11, 2018 08:13 PM (bZ7mE)

206 @156. I was intrigued by various revolvers that fire .45 Colt and .410 shotgun rounds but most of these revolvers have drawbacks that make them undesirable to me. Look up Paul Harrell Taurus Judge on youtube for three reviews.

CCI makes shotshells for virtually every pistol. I have at least one box of 10 for my 9 mm and my 45 ACP pistols. I have a .45 Colt single action revolver but it is not a carry gun.

For the few times you are ever likely to need shotshells from a pistol the CCI rounds just seem like a better idea rather than a really heavy revolver firing a very limited number of .45 Colt rounds.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 08:14 PM (2BPRE)

207 Ok, a bit OT. Weasel, I was at the local toy store yesterday talking 6.5 Creedmore. They had a nice Ruger American Predator with 24" bbl, and it was affordable for me.
Whataya think?

Posted by: RI Red at November 11, 2018 08:14 PM (cgNd1)

208 I watched John Wick last night.

Good grief, how many guns (fake or otherwise) did they use in that movie? Looked like thousands.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 11, 2018 08:14 PM (miE9U)

209 Some of us do not have an option of concealed carry. I work in healthcare. It can get dicey with drug seekers and wackos. I have to wear scrubs. Sometimes I have to move very fast and use arms, legs, body, whatever to secure or protect a patient.

I also work, and live in retarded Seattle. So, I appreciate, more than you know, the morons out there who take the responsibility of CC to protect the rest of us.

Thank you

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 08:16 PM (PkVlr)

210 207 Ok, a bit OT. Weasel, I was at the local toy store yesterday talking 6.5 Creedmore. They had a nice Ruger American Predator with 24" bbl, and it was affordable for me.
Whataya think?
Posted by: RI Red at November 11, 2018 08:14 PM (cgNd1)
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I shoot a couple of 6.5mm cartridges but don't have any experience with the Creedmore. I think it's the same as the 260 Remington with a different shoulder angle, if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

211 Grey Fox. Seems to me that a larger pattern would be more effective in a clench situation.

If by "clench" you mean at grappling distance, I would think that if you are that close you could just push the muzzle of the gun into the other guy and pull the trigger. Hard to miss at that range...

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 11, 2018 08:18 PM (bZ7mE)

212 Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2018 08:13 PM (jCCZJ)

Thanks, I have Ruger LCP, that might just work.

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 08:19 PM (kiSdp)

213 I can't remember if we discussed ankle holsters before. Are any of them worth a crap, and by that I mean the pistol stays in unless you remove it?

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 08:01 PM (kiSdp)

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I bought a $25 one from "blitzshot" on Amazon that I've been very pleased with for my Shield 9mm. It prints a bit in jeans, and shows a bit differently under khakis, but someone would probably need to be looking at it to puzzle out what it was.

It's not my first choice of carry, but it's nice to have the option. I usually will go with it if I know I'll be without my jacket and need to be very presentable or up close with people. I won't be getting into a quick-draw situation (probably ever), but it's nice to know I could maybe get my family to a fire exit or even just hole up and wait with a surprise if it came to it.

I might not stop a shooting, but by gosh I'm going to do my best to save my childrens' lives.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:21 PM (LX21o)

214 Nurse Rached, there should be some old geezer security officers there to protect you while you are naked under them scrubs. That's what they're paid for. Really.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:22 PM (zLDYs)

215 Grey Fox, no not that close but the distance of a classroom or a store aisle it would still be an effective hit.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:22 PM (2TTOn)

216 I had a big hatepost typed up on the Judge but decided it might come across as nasty so I'll just say that I can't think of any reason I'd ever own one unless I were in a small room surrounded by rabbits that I had to kill as part of some bizarre Gypsy curse.

http://tinyurl.com/y7cjgp48
http://tinyurl.com/yb93rclo

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:23 PM (t+qrx)

217 Eromero,

On hospital grounds, they carry a walkie talkie. That's it

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 08:23 PM (PkVlr)

218 Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:12 PM (2TTOn)

Get a 9mm or .380 and learn to fire rapidly and well.

Just my $.02

If you really want a .410 and want to commit to practicing with it, go for the Judge/Governor.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:23 PM (xJa6I)

219 Had a local radio personality who was into All Things Right Wing. I was appalled to hear him talking one day about how he was at the airport and forgot that he had his gun with him.

Presumably he was drunk so it's understandable.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 08:24 PM (yQpMk)

220 I have an ankle holster. I used it once with a 2nd-hand .380 pistol I bought and sold within a month. Least comfortable and least accessible holster I have ever used. I'd rather get a small mouse gun and carry it in a pocket holster than use an ankle holster.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 08:24 PM (2BPRE)

221 unless I were in a small room surrounded by rabbits that I had to kill as part of some bizarre Gypsy curse.

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Interestingly, that's part of how you have to get rid of kudzu. Plus goats blood. And some chanting.

Not sure about the gypsy, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:24 PM (LX21o)

222 Nurse Rached, in ETEX it's 46 rounds of .40 caliber hotness.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:25 PM (zLDYs)

223 Ar15 in the back seat.

Posted by: Smaug at November 11, 2018 08:25 PM (oPLwL)

224
Jeepers, at the local gun store, some of the ammo they sell - "zombie approved", ffs ?
I always think of trying to explain that in court under questioning by a leftist prosecutor.

- range day report follows -
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 07:37 PM (tSXzq)

I don't think there's a verified example out there of new exotic boutique ammo being effectively cited by prosecutors as an aggravating factor in an otherwise legal shoot.

Having said that, I'm damned sure that I don't want to be the test case. So it's standard ordinary modern hollowpoints for me. Either Speer Gold Dot or Hornady Critical Duty/Defense, depending on the pistol. The modern hollowpoints are so good now that there's really not much of a difference between them in terms of effectiveness, so there's no advantage to using exotic ammo.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2018 08:26 PM (eXA4G)

225 Oh, or if you were a huge fan of Pigmeat Markham (which of course you should be) and wanted to do the "here come the Judge" thing every time you draw. That would be permissible.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:27 PM (t+qrx)

226 http://tinyurl.com/y7cjgp48
http://tinyurl.com/yb93rclo

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:23 PM (t+qrx)

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Also:

Dang, that pattern opens up quickly. Yikes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:27 PM (LX21o)

227 Mark, just asking questions is all. For home protection I would buy a Fila Braselerio.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:28 PM (2TTOn)

228 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG

I forgot to mention it cannot print.

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 08:28 PM (kiSdp)

229 Eromero,

How does that help me when some drug crazed freak show bursts in and demands drugs? I'm not allowed per my organization, to carry. My security guards are not armed.

??

Feel so naked.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 08:29 PM (PkVlr)

230 Sounds like Greg Hamilton, though Greg is SF, not a Marine. Don't get
me wrong, he's not abusive but he isn't an instructor I'd direct a new
or uncertain student to. But if you can take the yelling on the range
and the occasional sarcasm, he does know his stuff.

I really didn't mind my instructor's demeanor at all. I'd like to think I have pretty thick skin. He was just very serious about his task. By the end of the course, he had loosened up a bit and a good time was had by all. Definitely worth it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 11, 2018 08:29 PM (Tyii7)

231 HogMartin @ 225- Pigmeat Martin? And Moms Mabley, too. You are a geezer if you remember Gene Tracey.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:29 PM (zLDYs)

232 227 Mark, just asking questions is all. For home protection I would buy a Fila Braselerio.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:28 PM (2TTOn)

Good to have home protection that can also love you.

My XD9 sometimes snuggles with me, but that's it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

233 I also work, and live in retarded Seattle. So, I appreciate, more than you know, the morons out there who take the responsibility of CC to protect the rest of us.

Thank you
Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018

******

Sounds like Harborview.
Have had to pick up my nephew there a couple times. Epilepsy.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 08:31 PM (0tfLf)

234 Thanks guys but I guess there isn't anything out there that uses either a 12 0r 20g shell?
Posted by: Ben Had
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Lemat

Posted by: JEB Stuart at November 11, 2018 08:31 PM (YvUf/)

235 Dang, that pattern opens up quickly. Yikes.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:27 PM (LX21o)

Yep. And every shot that doesn't hit is one fewer from the already diminished load of pellets from a .410, and one that goes somewhere new and exciting that you didn't want it to go.

If absolutely want to shoot people with a .410, skip the Judge and choose a single-shot like God and Robert Earl Keen intended.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:32 PM (t+qrx)

236 "Lemat

Posted by: JEB Stuart "

LOL

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:33 PM (tSXzq)

237 I forgot to mention it cannot print.

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 08:28 PM (kiSdp)

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Yeah, the Shield is probably a bit too big for that duty with those restrictions. I've tried with a Glock 26 and didn't even leave the house because it was so obvious I had a gun on my ankle, so the Shield was a definite improvement for me.

I think there's a small Ruger 9mm that might work if you didn't want to move down to the .380s. Also Kel-Tec, but I had a bad experience with one years ago and haven't shot or considered one since.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:33 PM (LX21o)

238 You are a geezer if you remember Gene Tracey.
Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:29 PM (zLDYs)

Gene Tracey was a bit before my time.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:34 PM (t+qrx)

239
205 I've read it's harder to make bullets than it is to make a gun.

Making bullets isn't difficult, unless you require copper jacketing. Making modern gunpowder, primers, and cartridge casings would be more difficult, I think.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 11, 2018 08:13 PM (bZ7mE)

Making jacketed bullets is just a matter of getting the dies, lead wire and jacket cups, and a hydraulic press. In fact, you can get the dies to make the jacket cups from sheet copper. As I recall, one of the companies that made the dies also made a kit to use spent 22lr cases to make .224 bullets. They'd basically be varmint bullets because of the thin brass, but it was a legit bullet for .223/5.56.

I looked into it years ago as part of my prepping thing, but realized that for me it wasn't worth the $.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2018 08:34 PM (eXA4G)

240 Mark, I was set to get a pup but then I had to rethink it even though I have always had "Bad Dogs" until now. Thing change and it is back on my list of prep supplies.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 08:35 PM (2TTOn)

241 Did anyone have to get a permit in order to exercise their First Amendment right to comment here?
Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2018 08:10 PM (sdi6R)

Just playing devil's advocate. You do have to get a license to broadcast your speech over the air.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 08:35 PM (2DOZq)

242 I have read some good things about that sawed off Mossberg 590 - Shockwave - using 12 guage mini shells.

But its all reading, I have no experience with it. I would imagine shooting full 12 guage out of anything that doesn't have significant heft is a bad idea.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:35 PM (VhKw6)

243 An IDF soldier from an elite unit was killed on Sunday night during an operation in the Gaza Strip.

Another soldier was injured and evacuated to the Soroka Hospital in Beer Sheva. Their families have been notified.

The IDF Spokespersons Unit said in a statement, During IDF special forces operational activity in Gaza, an exchange of fire broke out, during which an IDF officer was killed and an additional IDF officer was moderately injured.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 08:36 PM (Fh8wK)

244 Thank you sheriff Joe here in AZ. No permit required to conceal. He said "open carry is legal, but if you put a jacket on now you've committed a crime?". He pushed for that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2018 08:36 PM (+6jVU)

245 "A friend asked me if the Judge would be good to use when hiking 'in case of a bear attack'."

There is a phrase that applies to people who use a .410
round to ward off bears. That phrase is "tasty snack."

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 08:36 PM (2BPRE)

246 Back hole erection.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 11, 2018 08:36 PM (SkuXa)

247 I'm not sure which hurt worse with the gun in that photo, swallowing it in the first place or...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 11, 2018 08:37 PM (g6yUI)

248 242 I have read some good things about that sawed off Mossberg 590 - Shockwave - using 12 guage mini shells.

But its all reading, I have no experience with it. I would imagine shooting full 12 guage out of anything that doesn't have significant heft is a bad idea.
Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:35 PM (VhKw6)

Yep, physics is a thing. Mind you, with the mini-shells and a laser sight it CAN work.

Some folks put a pistol brace on it. But naturally, you can't SHOULDER those, oh no, but it can provide some stability if you really need a very compact shotty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:37 PM (xJa6I)

249 You are a geezer if you remember Gene Tracey.
Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:29 PM (zLDYs)

******

Kinda like brother Dave Gardner.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 08:38 PM (0tfLf)

250 That's interesting about Pigmeat because I'd heard the song on a compilation when I was a kid. Loved it, too. Sounded different, though. I'll see if I can find it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 11, 2018 08:39 PM (LX21o)

251 naturally, you can't SHOULDER those, oh no
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I thought they reversed that not long after the Golden Scalp Weasel vanquished granny?

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 11, 2018 08:40 PM (SkuXa)

252 Diogenes
I just saw you pop up here. There's a minimome the 17th of this month.
Noon at Pioneer Coffee in North Bend if you didn't know. Hope you can make it.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 11, 2018 08:40 PM (+TuXx)

253 Err, the Shockwave isn't a pistol.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:42 PM (VhKw6)

254 I carry a Glock 26. 9mm. I have big hands but it's easily concealed and I shoot it well. extended mag. IWB... No holster, just a clip on the side. Maybe I'll shoot my dick off but I practice.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2018 08:42 PM (+6jVU)

255 Bears are probably the only reason I have kept the 629 snubby.
Carry it maybe once or twice a year, up in the north woods.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:42 PM (tSXzq)

256 Be looking at some kind of blade you can keep close. Doesn't have to look like a weapon to be one.
Also, Police used to train with the nightstick. Very versatile. My Black belt son was extraordinarily good (and deadly) with a short stick (forget what it's called).

Posted by: MarkY at November 11, 2018 08:43 PM (0sYKm)

257 ''Good grief, how many guns (fake or otherwise) did they use in that movie? Looked like thousands.''

Wonderful use of fire power wasn't it?

Posted by: Tuna at November 11, 2018 08:43 PM (jm1YL)

258 Diogenes @ 249- Red Foxx, 2 detergents, Fugg and Sugg, to clean your can.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:44 PM (zLDYs)

259 The Glock 26 is a subcompact. Nice.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2018 08:45 PM (+6jVU)

260 256 was for Nurse Rached

Posted by: MarkY at November 11, 2018 08:45 PM (0sYKm)

261 253 Err, the Shockwave isn't a pistol.
Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:42 PM (VhKw6)

Legally, no. It's a 26 inch 'weapon'

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:46 PM (xJa6I)

262 Grammie winger was asking about the Shockwave back in April. I don't remember what everyone said about it as a practical matter, but I think we talked her into accessorizing with cartridge loop belts.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=374513

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:46 PM (t+qrx)

263 Kinda like brother Dave Gardner.
Posted by: Diogenes

"Kick Thy Own Self"--still have the album

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 11, 2018 08:46 PM (FTlwv)

264
255 Bears are probably the only reason I have kept the 629 snubby.
Carry it maybe once or twice a year, up in the north woods.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:42 PM (tSXzq)
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Love my 629 snubby.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

265 251 naturally, you can't SHOULDER those, oh no
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I thought they reversed that not long after the Golden Scalp Weasel vanquished granny?
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 11, 2018 08:40 PM (SkuXa)

Well at the very least, enforcement hasn't been an issue. I'm just feeling snarky.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 08:46 PM (xJa6I)

266 SMH and I are about to stream "Weird Science". Woohoo!

Posted by: Ex-ex at November 11, 2018 08:47 PM (aohgv)

267 A couple'o random thoughts.....

* In addition to your "Final Thoughts" of "Get Licensed/Get Training/Get Educated", I'd add "Practice(!)". Life-or-death shooting skills are basically muscle-memory. IMO, if you can't break away at least every other month to run a couple of boxes of ammo through your gun, you're doing yourself a disservice.

* As has been mentioned above, there is a difference between a belt and a gun belt. Get a good gun belt.

* The key to IWB carry (which is how I normally carry) is to admit that those 32/34/36" pants you wore in college don't really fit you any more. If you're like most of us [**A.J. raises his hand.**], they don't really fit you before you try to carry a gun IWB. Get the next larger size of pants.

* And the key to OWB carry is to wear loose shirts. I used to wear hawaiian shirts, but lately I just wear something big and loose. Dark colors conceal better than light; Patterns conceal better than solids.

* The class you take to get your CCW license is just that.....a licensing class. It is a big mistake to think that a CCW class is in any way training. It is not.

* If you shoot enough, you're going to begin to wear out some of your gun's parts...primarily springs. For a Glock, that'll be somewhere between 3000 and 5000 rounds. If your gun starts to act wonky, try replacing the springs. They aren't that expensive, and it isn't hard to do.

* While it works for some guys, I've always had a close enough attachment to my femoral artery that I've never been able to be comfortable with the idea of appendix carry.

And get out and practice.

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold Adventure is my game. at November 11, 2018 08:47 PM (kJuhe)

268 I love that SW up top. I shot the SP 101. Similar. Maybe next Gun. Perfectly balanced.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2018 08:47 PM (+6jVU)

269 Also, Police used to train with the nightstick. Very versatile. My Black belt son was extraordinarily good (and deadly) with a short stick (forget what it's called).
Posted by: MarkY at November 11, 2018 08:43 PM (0sYKm)

Kubotan?

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:47 PM (t+qrx)

270 Last Hollywood Weapons episode I watched tested two scenes from Payback.

The one where Gibson uses the guy in the cab as a shield when the Asians in the SUV unload on them. The other was when he shot the Asians in the SUV from underneath the vehicle.

Lesson one. Using someone as a human shield eight feet from four people shooting at you won't work.

Lesson two. As everyone knows, the only thing on a car that will protect you is the engine block.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 08:47 PM (2DOZq)

271 Tuna, truly mind-blowing. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 11, 2018 08:48 PM (miE9U)

272 Reposted

I know this is off topic but Instapundit had a fascinating link to a sound recording made by the Americans at the end of WW1 that picked up the actual end of the war, Cannons and machine guns firing right up to 11;00 then silence then it picked up birds tweeting. Really amazing:
There's an interesting little article that goes with it.

https://tinyurl.com/ybyxpsec

It occurred to me that you guys can probably tell what all was being fired in the recording.

Posted by: Tuna at November 11, 2018 08:48 PM (jm1YL)

273 Kubotan?
Posted by: hogmartin
Tahn bong? Taekwondo.
I made him one out of osage orange. It liked to eat the pine sticks.

Posted by: MarkY at November 11, 2018 08:50 PM (0sYKm)

274 "152 Andrew

Sent you a book and CD order.

Looking forward to the info."

Many thanks!

--Andrew

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 08:51 PM (eciqi)

275 Some of us do not have an option of concealed carry. I work in healthcare. It can get dicey with drug seekers and wackos. I have to wear scrubs. Sometimes I have to move very fast and use arms, legs, body, whatever to secure or protect a patient.

I also work, and live in retarded Seattle. So, I appreciate, more than you know, the morons out there who take the responsibility of CC to protect the rest of us.

Thank you
Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 08:16 PM (PkVlr)

How about a long old woolen work sock, with two taped-together rolls of quarters knotted into the toe? Makes a nice sap, when applied upside of a miscreant's noggin. And you can tell LE you were just planning to go to the laundromat, and were afraid of losing quarters, so you packed them real well.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2018 08:52 PM (KHhgg)

276 I use several different rigs depending on circumstances. Mostly a Falco crossdraw OSW and my Shield 45. Takes a sweat shirt or sweater to hide it. I used an IWB for years but a limited range of motion in right shoulder pushed me to the cross draw.

Posted by: Agitator at November 11, 2018 08:53 PM (atO6j)

277 Winston @252

Thanxs for the notice. Would love to attend but have to go to Portland.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 08:53 PM (0tfLf)

278 "256 Be looking at some kind of blade you can keep close. Doesn't have to look like a weapon to be one.
Also, Police used to train with the nightstick. Very versatile. My Black belt son was extraordinarily good (and deadly) with a short stick (forget what it's called).

Posted by: MarkY at November 11, 2018 08:43 PM (0sYKm) "

Both of these, yes.
Unless I have to pass a metal detector, I always have a knife somewhere on my person.
An old Chicago cop I knew back when used a tightly rolled up newspaper as a low-signature baton.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:53 PM (tSXzq)

279 Tahn bong? Taekwondo.
Posted by: MarkY at November 11, 2018 08:50 PM (0sYKm)

Oh, I got you. Short like 18-24" short. Kubotan is more of a AA Maglite size, for keychains.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:54 PM (t+qrx)

280 278
An old Chicago cop I knew back when used a tightly rolled up newspaper as a low-signature baton.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:53 PM (tSXzq)

Bad criminal! BAD!

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2018 08:55 PM (sdi6R)

281 When I was working in a Federal building I got a tactical pen. It seemed like it would be useful as a last resort.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2018 08:55 PM (VhKw6)

282 Kinda like brother Dave Gardner.
Posted by: Diogenes

"Kick Thy Own Self"--still have the album
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 11, 2018 08:46 PM (FTlwv)

*****

Sweet!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 08:55 PM (0tfLf)

283 277 Diogenes.
You have my deepest sympathy.
Maybe another time and get as many 'rons and 'ettes as possible somewhere.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 11, 2018 08:56 PM (+TuXx)

284 An old Chicago cop I knew back when used a tightly rolled up newspaper as a low-signature baton.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:53 PM (tSXzq)

Ahhhh, the Millwall Brick.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 08:56 PM (EbOpT)

285 I know this is off topic but Instapundit had a fascinating link to a sound recording made by the Americans at the end of WW1 that picked up the actual end of the war, Cannons and machine guns firing right up to 11;00 then silence then it picked up birds tweeting. Really amazing:
There's an interesting little article that goes with it.

https://tinyurl.com/ybyxpsec

It occurred to me that you guys can probably tell what all was being fired in the recording.
Posted by: Tuna at November 11, 2018 08:48 PM (jm1YL)

The birds at the end...unreal.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2018 08:56 PM (jCCZJ)

286 You too, Weasel ?
Cool !

When I saw it in the store 20+ years ago I went into a daze and woke up to find myself handing over half of my rent money to the nice man behind the counter.
Never regretted it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 08:57 PM (tSXzq)

287 ''The birds at the end...unreal. ''

It was wasn't it?

Posted by: Tuna at November 11, 2018 08:58 PM (jm1YL)

288 Heya, Jinx the Cat. How's things?

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:58 PM (t+qrx)

289 Winston.
I look forward to it.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 08:58 PM (0tfLf)

290 Dudes, I gots to get in the bed. Will try to watch TWD, but so tired. Always next week.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 08:59 PM (zLDYs)

291
The birds at the end...unreal.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2018 08:56 PM (jCCZJ)
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Funny you mention that. We were shooting machine guns at WeaselAcres a few weeks ago and they don't seem to bother the birds a bit. As soon as we'd stop for a magazine change, the birds were chirping their little beaks off.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

292 Jinx the Cat... and did you get the downed trees sorted out at your place?

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 08:59 PM (t+qrx)

293 The last American KIA in WW1 was someone trying to be a hero to get his sergeant stripes restored.

Read Richard Rubin's The Last of the Doughboys for a detailed account of this man's actions during WW1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Gunther

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 08:59 PM (2BPRE)

294 OT but Weasel will forgive me. Over/under on MoMe's next year. 15

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2018 09:00 PM (2TTOn)

295 Millwall Brick ?

!

The things you learn around here ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 09:01 PM (tSXzq)

296 i sent in my CnR FFL application back in August.

of course, the USPS quit tracking my registered letter 3 days after i mailed it, and there is no way to check to see if the money order was cashed w/o giving those assholes another $6.

even my carrier and his stuporvisor could find out more info.

from the local (CA) gun blogs, i expected news in 60 days.

Fryday i found a number to contact the ATFE licensing bureau.

my license was mailed 9 October, but someone substituted a "3" for a "1" as the second digit of my zip code, so it went to Bass Lake, up by Yosemite, rather than to me here in The Valley, like totally.

called back, got the head lady, explained my situation, and my concerns for both my personal data, AND liability for possible misuse of the document.

she canceled the first one, put notes in it's file that it was misaddressed, so that, in theory, *if* it is actually misused, i'm "covered"... and will be sending me a new one via e-mail early this week, hard copy to follow.

with my Certificate of Eligibility, i will, once again be able to mail order ammo, and certain other benefits also accrue.

go me!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 09:01 PM (Dagiw)

297 Ankles are OK, but it will definitely take you a bit longer to get it out.
The best cases are for concealment are inside a cowboy boot. Then the trouser legs come over the tops of the boots.
Add 3 to 5 seconds.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 09:01 PM (w7KSn)

298 I saw Overlord. That movie was hilariously bad but, also, fun to watch.

Yes, someone gets thrown through a glass window because of course he fucking does, and gets up without a scratch.

There was also much WW2 gun pr0n.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 09:02 PM (ykYG2)

299 Diogenes,

Why would you willingly go to portlandia? God speed.

And voodoo donuts aren't all that great.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 09:03 PM (PkVlr)

300 Just got the guns in the car. The flames at Oroville are near. Decades of catering to the whims of treehuggers, dopers, illegals and criminals are now affecting me directly . No official word on evacuation but neighbors CalFire son says be ready to go. The last 12 hour shift was recalled to duty and flames are in the City.

Posted by: torabora at November 11, 2018 09:05 PM (55mdO)

301 291 ... " We were shooting machine guns at WeaselAcres a few weeks ago and they don't seem to bother the birds a bit. As soon as we'd stop for a magazine change, the birds were chirping their little beaks off."

Had to laugh. I just read a story by Pat McManus about his terrible hunting dog. He said the game never hid or ran away because they figured anything making that much noise couldn't be hunting.

Posted by: JTB at November 11, 2018 09:06 PM (V+03K)

302 That Kimber looks well-worn. And that's a compliment.

Posted by: GWB at November 11, 2018 09:06 PM (4nMNV)

303 Grey Fox @ 211 - Pushing the muzzle of a semi-auto into somebody will push it out of battery, preventing it from firing. Either train to push forward on the rear of the slide (without blocking the hammer) or use a revolver for these sort of intimate occasions.
Regards,

Posted by: butch at November 11, 2018 09:06 PM (hXu8T)

304 Sounds like 75 mm outgoing, with some 30 cal machine guns, a mortar, and rifles.

8 & 5 inch, maybe 155 are a different sound.

I can hear Fort Riley (1st Inf Div) training with their weapons all the time.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 09:06 PM (hyuyC)

305 I'm on the South east side of that spillway that failed ... there is a mountainside of scrub oak that hasn't seen rain since April and a several hundred houses before mine.

Posted by: torabora at November 11, 2018 09:07 PM (55mdO)

306 Man, I made a surprisingly good pan of glorp for dinner. So easy, too. Jar of ready-made spaghetti sauce into skillet. A bunch of frozen perogies. Some cut-up salami. Heat utnil the perogies heated through. Eat. Yummy, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2018 09:07 PM (KHhgg)

307 I carry a Ruger LCP in a leather pocket holster. It's not ideal but it's easy to carry and nobody ever notices. My concern is that it's difficult to draw from a seated position, like when I'm driving. As soon as I can find the right rig I'll start carrying a second gun in an ankle holster.

Also, as someone else mentioned, get legal insurance. I have USCCA but there are other options.

Posted by: Guzalot at November 11, 2018 09:07 PM (schB/)

308 torabora, it would be nice if people who lose their homes in your area could file a class action suit against the state of California for their carelessness re causing these fires...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 11, 2018 09:07 PM (miE9U)

309 302 That Kimber looks well-worn. And that's a compliment.
Posted by: GWB at November 11, 2018 09:06 PM (4nMNV)
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And taken as a compliment... thank you. A lot of honest carry wear - and not all of it mine! It's a really nice gun and I'm very happy with it.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

310 Damn torabora
Be safe. Prayers up for you and yours.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 11, 2018 09:10 PM (+TuXx)

311 TCN in AK: my grandpa chased Pancho Villa around Mexico with Pershing
My great-uncle did the same. Much later, I was in an MP company based in the same armory his cavalry rode from. The building still had the stump-ends of the 4X4's used for the top rail of the horses' stalls.

Posted by: dad29 at November 11, 2018 09:10 PM (7Kti7)

312 Just got the guns in the car. The flames at Oroville are near.
Posted by: torabora at November 11, 2018 09:05 PM (55mdO)

That's awful, I'm sorry to hear it. Please leave before you think you need to and check in when you can.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 09:10 PM (t+qrx)

313 Posted by: JTB at November 11, 2018 09:06 PM (V+03K)
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They do make a racket!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 09:10 PM (MVjcR)

314 Pushing the muzzle of a semi-auto into somebody will push it out of battery, preventing it from firing. Either train to push forward on the rear of the slide (without blocking the hammer) or use a revolver for these sort of intimate occasions.

I thought that was just the Beretta 92. I'll bear that in mind.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 11, 2018 09:11 PM (bZ7mE)

315 prayers for torabora & neighbors

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 11, 2018 09:12 PM (dMvl+)

316 Good luck torabora.

Sovereign immunity is a hell of a thing.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 09:15 PM (hyuyC)

317 I've carried a Steyr CA-9, OWB left-hand, for years but bought a new Lesabre and the rear sight scrapes over the door gasket when I get in and out.
Bought a Smith M&P to reduce the chance of that happening again and hoping the boss unit doesn't see that I've screwed up the new car.

Posted by: Bildo at November 11, 2018 09:15 PM (+Rf4+)

318 Blaster @ 242 - The Mossberg 590 Shockwave is a cromulent defensive weapon with the addition of a laser, the use of Aguila mini-shells (~1-3/4"), and the installation of an OpSol Miniclip which enables the use of the minishells. A minishell slug is about the size of the tip of your index finger. Traveling ~1100 ft/sec, it will definitely ruin uninvited guests' day.

I had some noob coworkers run it at the range a few months ago. Minimal recoil.
I read one review where the writer got one and equipped it as described for his 70+ year old mom.

Posted by: butch at November 11, 2018 09:16 PM (hXu8T)

319 my grandpa chased Pancho Villa around Mexico with Pershing

Did he ever find Ambrose Bierce? He was last seen following Villa's camp as a correspondent, aged 72ish.

Bierce had some balls.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 09:16 PM (ykYG2)

320 Carry a Glock 36 (.45ACP) usually in a custom ankle holster. I like that carry option since I don't have to worry about the pistol "printing" in around my waistband. You do need a good ankle holster with the sheep-shearling padding for best comfort, however.

Only disadvantage of the ankle holster is you can't wear shorts but I typically don't. I have a Berreta Tomcat (.32ACP) that I carry in a FIST leather pocket holster in my right rear pants pocket for those occaisions. I like the FIST pocket holsters because they have a kydex tab to push the holster clear of the pistole.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 11, 2018 09:17 PM (5Yee7)

321 Bibi Netanyahu has left the Paris commemoration to return to Israel after another skirmish with the Palis. An Israeli operation killed seven Hamas, including at least one commander. One Israeli officer was killed and one was wounded. The IDF reportedly fired 40 missiles to cover the exfiltration.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at November 11, 2018 09:18 PM (hjaPQ)

322 Ruger LCR .357 in ankle holster as LAST resort. Learn it. Live it.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2018 09:19 PM (zLDYs)

323 All best, torabora, and stay in touch when / if you can.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 09:20 PM (tSXzq)

324 "Learn it. Live it."

Truer words have never been said.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 11, 2018 09:22 PM (tSXzq)

325 Good luck, torabora.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2018 09:22 PM (sdi6R)

326 320 Carry a Glock 36 (.45ACP) usually in a custom ankle holster. I like that carry option since I don't have to worry about the pistol "printing" in around my waistband. You do need a good ankle holster with the sheep-shearling padding for best comfort, however.

Only disadvantage of the ankle holster is you can't wear shorts but I typically don't. I have a Berreta Tomcat (.32ACP) that I carry in a FIST leather pocket holster in my right rear pants pocket for those occaisions. I like the FIST pocket holsters because they have a kydex tab to push the holster clear of the pistole.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 11, 2018 09:17 PM (5Yee7)

I have a G36 too. It's snappy. But with Talon grips, it's controllable by me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 09:23 PM (xJa6I)

327 Weasel,

Up yours. I've been drinking and I Hooked-on-phonics'd it out.

Anti perspire ant

;-)

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at November 11, 2018 09:25 PM (C1NyB)

328 Between now and the end of the year - sales starting - would be an excellent time for you without the four legged stool of freedom - a handgun, centerfire rifle, shotgun, and rimfire being the seat and 4 legs of the stool - to get this.

Arguments about action type, caliber, etc. are ballistic masturbation until you have a core battery, ammo, training.

Any gun will do if you will do.

Rule 1 is Have A Gun.

With training and experience you can fine tune later. If it's not too late.

Have A Gun. NOW.

Posted by: Some Dude at November 11, 2018 09:25 PM (4EJ4i)

329 BTW, thanks y'all for the holster recommendations.
(Resumes furiously scribbling notes)

Posted by: butch at November 11, 2018 09:25 PM (hXu8T)

330 "Glorp"? And you're just giving away the recipe?!

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 09:28 PM (lK7fO)

331 Posted by: Gittes at November 11, 2018 09:26 PM (NatEW)

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Bye bye, phuchtard.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 09:28 PM (I16G8)

332 Agree on all points, Weasel. Mrs. Chemist I refer to carrying as being "Heavy". If we're heavy, we are armed. Its old style mob slang, true, but for us it refers to the burden we assume by carrying deadly force.

Posted by: chemist at November 11, 2018 09:29 PM (ozGQ9)

333 NatEW

aww, MisHum has a fwen.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 09:31 PM (ykYG2)

334 Bye bye, phuchtard.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 09:28 PM (I16G

I had to do a search on the hash to see if it was MisHum wearing a sock. No hits.

I'm still not convinced it ISN'T MisHum.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 09:34 PM (t+qrx)

335 Nood.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at November 11, 2018 09:34 PM (w7U7L)

336 ONT

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 09:34 PM (t+qrx)

337 Posted by: chemist at November 11, 2018 09:29 PM (ozGQ9)

This is an excellent system.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at November 11, 2018 09:35 PM (C1NyB)

338 Gittes - Here is your complimentary parting gift, a bag'o'dicks. Don't let the door hitcha on the way out.

Posted by: butch at November 11, 2018 09:35 PM (hXu8T)

339

Anti perspire ant

;-)
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at November 11, 2018 09:25 PM (C1NyB)
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Don't use it myself! Also don't have many friends. Strange, that.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

340 I will say that SOB is a traumatic injury waiting to happen in CQB.

I would rather have this pistol in front of me,
Than have to have a Lumbar Diskectomy.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 11, 2018 09:37 PM (LL1Be)

341 I have a G36 too. It's snappy. But with Talon grips, it's controllable by me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 09:23 PM (xJa6I)

After you put a box of ammo through a G36, you definitely feel it. BUT you've got a .45ACP not much bigger than a Walther PPK/S but much more powerful. Glock really came up a with a winner in the G36: great pointability and ergonomics in a perfectly-sized semi-auto.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 11, 2018 09:38 PM (5Yee7)

342 He spent so much money on the gun he couldn't afford a holster.

Posted by: Anonymous Gerbil at November 11, 2018 09:40 PM (19Cvz)

343 Odd bit of history here. The first German and French soldiers to die in WW1 shot at each other. The German officer shot and wounded the French soldier who shot and missed. But his mates returned fire and killed the German officer. This happened one day before war was declared between Germany and France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules-Andr�_Peugeot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Mayer_(soldier)

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 11, 2018 09:46 PM (2BPRE)

344 Galco leather in-the-pocket holster surrounding a KelTec .380
Rarely prints, but I'm using cargo pants or shorts nearly all the time. When in dress pants, just have to adjust standing-stance a touch.

Posted by: dad29 at November 11, 2018 09:49 PM (7Kti7)

345 He spent so much money on the gun he couldn't afford a holster.

It's the famous French Carry.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 09:51 PM (E7fQk)

346 Thanks for stopping by, everyone. See you next weekend!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

347 > with the first two or three cylinders loaded with snake shot.

Doncha mean "first two or three rounds loaded to fire in the cylinder", or such wording? The reloads of two or three cylinders of snake shot seems a bit excessive!

Posted by: A Snake with a Penchant for Terminology at November 11, 2018 09:53 PM (Km7NT)

348 Springfield 1911 Loaded Galco outside waistband is my 80% carry gun. Tried clip on pancake holsters but they make it stick out much further.

Walther Ppk for hot weather but still working on holster. I have at least a dozen holsters for four guns but mostly only use two.

Inside waistband is great for concealment but I find it uncomfortable, possibly due to being slightly older with a slightly expanding waistline.

And remember, it isn't a carry gun unless you carry it.

Posted by: Heresolong at November 11, 2018 09:54 PM (spsWF)

349 48 > with the first two or three cylinders loaded with snake shot.

Doncha mean "first two or three rounds loaded to fire in the cylinder", or such wording? The reloads of two or three cylinders of snake shot seems a bit excessive!

Posted by: A Snake with a Penchant for Terminology at November 11, 2018 09:53 PM (Km7NT)
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You're confusing me!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

350 Well, f****...I always miss the fun thread cuz' I'm always busy during it....

So one day when folks still are on when I see it, I need to ask about carry for less-catered-to pistols. My EDC is a Kahr PM-9, simply because it's the slimmest and lightest single-stack 9mm around. Wife and I have matching ones, because I'm of a mind of efficiency in magazine stock. Also, DAO and a trigger pull like butter.

Reason: I'm 5'7", and weigh 143 soaking wet...any double-stack (and I have some) is just right out...not only for the printing (which sometimes I care, sometimes I don't)...but the WEIGHT.
So my question would be...where do you Morons and 'Ettes that carry "not-Glocks or Shields" get your IWB holsters?
I prefer leather, but right now am fine with my Blackhawk (!) kydex...but I'll admit, it's WAY LESS comfortable than something in leather.
Any recommendations for leather IWB suppliers, or crafters, for the less popular makes?
(BTW, I doubt anybody is still here, because morons and squirrels, but whatevs...I can always paste next week).

Posted by: Oedipus at November 11, 2018 10:12 PM (CXLVd)

351 I had to do a search on the hash to see if it was MisHum wearing a sock. No hits.

I'm still not convinced it ISN'T MisHum.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2018 09:34 PM (t+qrx)

It's probably Cthulhu...he has a bee in his bonnet for MisHum, and he is a rancid little cunt.

Posted by: .243 or Bust at November 11, 2018 10:13 PM (93LNv)

352 Posted by: Oedipus at November 11, 2018 10:12 PM (CXLVd)
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Hi Oedipus -
I'm still here for a few more minutes!
Take a look at Garrett. They have a ton of options, including IWB. Very nicely made, but I think they're all kydex with a leather lining.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 10:16 PM (MVjcR)

353 Weasel, thanks for the informative and fun thread.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 11, 2018 10:18 PM (cJswI)

354 353 Weasel, thanks for the informative and fun thread.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 11, 2018 10:18 PM (cJswI)
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Absolutely my pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it!

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2018 10:19 PM (MVjcR)

355 Lovely weekend. Pistol match each day, expending some 200 rds of 9mm each in rapid fashion at various steel targets against the clock. America, f*ck yeah. Texas, f*ck yeah. Thank all you veterans for your service.

Posted by: front toward enemy at November 11, 2018 10:24 PM (fbP3X)

356 318 Great! When she's used to that you can move her up to 3" high-brass...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 11, 2018 10:25 PM (g6yUI)

357 I live in shall issue state (TX). You just apply, do a background check, take fingerprints, take a class, written test, shooting test and then get the license which is good for 5 years.

They relaxed it a bit, where you don't have to retake the class or get fingerprinted again to renew. License is good for 5 years. They also changed to open carry back in 2016.

I rarely open carry because I like the element of surprise. But I like that I can open carry when I hunt oir hike ion the woods and that takes away any penalties if your firearm happens to "print" on your clothing.

I used to carry a Beretta 92FS but changed to a CZ 82 because its smaller and easier to conceal in the summer.

In the winter when I can cover them up with a duster I wear a chopped AK on 1 side (AK psitol) and PPS 43C on the other side so I don't list to starboard while walking.

Carrying all that iron is good exercise.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at November 11, 2018 10:36 PM (cCxiu)

358 Just saw this: Gods, Guns, and Jews

There are two types of synagogues: those that believe in God and those that believe in government.
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Morning services at the synagogue these days begin and end with guns, with talk of tactical courses, firing ranges and concealed carry permits. "If someone comes to kill you, get up early to kill him first," the Gemara, the Babylonian Talmud, that massive encyclopedic work codifying Jewish law, advises. ...

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y79hmty6

Posted by: Braenyard at November 11, 2018 10:49 PM (Dx2t8)

359 Re comment 136.... I put a 3.5 lb disconnect in my G 19, and regretted it almost from the start. It is just too damm light for serious social work. One little twitch would light that bitch off. True story, i had my Glock in my bag of stuff unholstered {first mistake}, it was laying on the counter in the kitchen that is next to our refrigerator. I reached into the bag for something else, and as my hand pulled back I heard a "click". I had just dry fired the Glock at our brand new fridge. Luckily, there was not a bullet in the chamber, or I would have been in deep shit. I now carry an SDVE in 9mm, with an Apex trigger kit. Longer pull. yes, but it is reliable, and I shoot well with it. Regards, Jason J, Tucson

Posted by: jason j at November 12, 2018 12:21 AM (qSQLQ)

360 Bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 12, 2018 01:53 AM (Dagiw)

361 Full time main carry is a Ruger LCP II, I know that unless events go south I will carry more than defend with it. It will be on me.Horseback, one of three, a Colt 1911A1, or a Colt Lawman Mk III until summer sweat starts to rust them, then it's a stainless SW M-640.I have CCW the 1911A1 it carries better than the Lawman. But heck three to five pounds is heavy.Holsters are IWB Kydex Fobus except the Lawman which has no current holsters made for it.OWB is Blackhawk and We the People.The 1911A1 I carry Skeeter Skelton style, Mexican on the hip no holster. Unless it's horseback or OWB then it is a Blackhawk Polymer.
No I've been carrying it for forty years Mex style and haven't shot myself yet.

Posted by: obsidian at November 12, 2018 08:21 AM (7+yqP)

362 G43 OWB in a Null Holster. I've been using Ken's products for 25+ years. He uses pretty thin (~1/8") unlined leather, that's molded to a particular make and model. I like it as it adds' little to the overall width. He's not cheap, but you get what you pay for.

Other mode of carry is the 511 undershirt (white or black, take your pick. V neck or not) for either the 43 or an old SW Model #38 Airweight (the one with the shrouded hammer).

Interesting story about the #38. During the decades that the Michigan State Police wore cross draw holsters, they also were issued the #38 and carried them in their right pants pocket. The bottom of the pocket was sewn and reinforced, to allow carry without the weapon shifting.
A number of us from other agencies thought that would be a "good thing" and did the same mod's and picked up the #38.
So now ya know a little factoid about the #38, and about me...

Posted by: Don the Mac at November 12, 2018 10:15 AM (IN0IR)

363 I live in MA, which is may issue for lack of a better category. In the end, it's very dependent on the town you live in, as the local PD is the issuing body. Inside the greater Boston metro area is pretty much never issue to may issue at best, but outside the city it's somewhere between may issue and shall issue in an ever changing map. Luckily, I live in one of the basically shall issue areas, so they accepted "All Lawful Purposes" as the need/reason. Everything else was the same basic stuff: take course, fill out application, pay fee, pass background check, wait a couple months.

I carry a Shield 9mm in an RCS Morrigan IWB, worn at 3:30 or so. Printing is a big no-no in MA, so that means compact and IWB. It is easier in winter, though coats bring their own challenges for how to draw quickly and safely. I'm looking at switching to AIWB specifically to solve the long winter coat issues, but haven't found a holster plus ride height that's comfortable when sitting yet.

Posted by: ReallyBored at November 12, 2018 06:31 PM (MmkR/)

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