Current Pope: You Know, Accusations About Pedophilia and Cover-Ups Are Really the Work of the "Great Accuser," Satan

From refusing to speak on the matter at all to claiming these charges are all inspired by Satan. That's quite a shift.

"In these times, it seems like the 'Great Accuser' has been unchained and is attacking bishops. True, we are all sinners, we bishops. He tries to uncover the sins, so they are visible in order to scandalize the people. The 'Great Accuser', as he himself says to God in the first chapter of the Book of Job, 'roams the earth looking for someone to accuse'. A bishop's strength against the 'Great Accuser' is prayer, that of Jesus and his own, and the humility of being chosen and remaining close to the people of God, without seeking an aristocratic life that removes this unction. Let us pray, today, for our bishops: for me, for those who are here, and for all the bishops throughout the world."

Guy Benson notes that some American Catholics who are concerned by this issue are surprised to learn they're being animated by Satan himself.

Ed Morrissey writes:

There are two ways to look at this statement, but neither of them end well. In the more charitable version, Pope Francis is emphasizing the need for prayer to defeat "the Great Accuser" and loving support of the bishops under attack. If one believes in the existence of the devil and in the reality of spiritual warfare (as I do with both), then this argument falls within understanding -- but still misses the point. The issue here isn't so much that the devil is uncovering the sins, but that the Catholic hierarchy has continued to cover them up. That gives "the Great Accuser" a perfect vantage point to attack all bishops with the sins of a few and their participation in preventing them from being aired earlier. And that's no one's fault except the Catholic hierarchy's, which includes Francis at the top.
The less charitable take from this passage is that Pope Francis is equating the victims coming forward with the devil, or at least putting them in the same league. That's grotesque enough to make that less likely to be Francis' intent, but victims and their families can certainly be forgiven for that takeaway from today's homily. In the context of Francis' remarks about silence last week and his earlier attack on Chilean accusers -- for which he made a public apology and promised to do better 00 the message from the Vatican certainly appears to be shut up and pray.
The most acute problem at hand for the Catholic Church is not that the devil is looking for priests and bishops to accuse, but that enough of both are known internally to be guilty and yet remain protected by this silence.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:18 PM

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1 St?

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at September 13, 2018 03:19 PM (wyNrR)

2 Quiet in here

Posted by: Beartooth at September 13, 2018 03:19 PM (TP072)

3 Oh,Satan IS involved that's for sure.

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2018 03:20 PM (mCMQ5)

4 Maybe Popie is invoking The Devil Made Me Do It defense, from the Book of Flip Wilson, 15:39-44.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 13, 2018 03:20 PM (Mouru)

5 I am seriously considering the Byzantine Catholic Church. I don't know if it's any better, and it's still technically under the commie pope, but it's something....

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at September 13, 2018 03:20 PM (JZMRD)

6 Better watch out Popo those conservatives are going to seize on this statement.

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (mCMQ5)

7 The Pope reminds me of a left wing democrat. Hum?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (Btu09)

8 So, you can be the President (you can be the President) [kick it]
I'd rather be the Pope (rather be the Pope)
(I'd rather be, so happy)
Yeah you can be the side effect (you can be the side effect)
I'd rather be the dope (rather be the dope)

Posted by: Francis at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (Sjz1F)

9 Hmmmmm...

Posted by: The Church Lady at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (AkSKU)

10 It's only a fair statement if the Pope is referring to those that are falsely accused.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (p2jI/)

11 ugh. just. ugh.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (d7Ww2)

12 Avignon. Anti-Pope.

Yeah just going to wander off to do other things instead of re-fighting the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. Again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (S3u/T)

13 Anyone know if there are any extra popes walking around Ravenna? Seems like it's time for a schism.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (TP072)

14 The Devil made me do it!

Posted by: Flip Wilson at September 13, 2018 03:21 PM (/tuJf)

15 For all those keeping track at home, your answer to the question: is this Pope heretical or just really careless with his speech?

the answer seems to be: probably both.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (KUaJL)

16 I'm Hairy Reed and I approved this message.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (Mouru)

17 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (hxucZ)

18 Pope's right. And the actual pedophilia and cover-ups are also the work of Satan.

Posted by: Roy at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (s0mEx)

19 This pope should actually be crucified........What a maroon.

Posted by: Sponge at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (Zz0t1)

20 he needs to work at google

Posted by: concrete girl at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (Tm+wy)

21
If the Church had some sort of impeachment process they should fire it up. He needs to go.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (LOgQ4)

22 Cancel the Pope's Tonight Show appearance at once

Posted by: 3.14159 at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (W+Td8)

23 ...could it be???

SATAN!?

Posted by: The Church Lady at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (AkSKU)

24 Ed Morrissey's analyses is quite spot-on. Unless some subtle nuance was lost in translation, that was a bad homily.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (a0IVu)

25 This pope is evil.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 13, 2018 03:23 PM (q+HNC)

26 Pedophilia and cover-ups *are* the work of Satan.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Climate Change Offer! Mikey's Club Baffin Island Time-Shares are for You! at September 13, 2018 03:23 PM (hLRSq)

27 I question whether or not he even believes in Satan outside the "great satan" use about the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 13, 2018 03:23 PM (39g3+)

28 Those kids are little devils.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2018 03:23 PM (IqV8l)

29 Ah, so it's not priests groping and ass-fucking altar boys that's the work of de debbil, it's exposing the priests groping and ass-fucking altar boys that's the work of de debbil. Got it.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:23 PM (NWiLs)

30 Guy Benson and Ed Morrissey?

G-d do I hate to find myself agreeing with those two. Ever. Add that to the stack of this Pope's amazing screwups. If you find me alongside cucks like that in opposition to you, you really, really suck at life.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (AzW6q)

31 I think he meant Stan.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (IqV8l)

32 Ed Morrissey's analyses is quite spot-on. Unless some subtle nuance was lost in translation, that was a bad homily.
Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM (a0IVu)

It's excusable. Frankie's first language is Latin.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (Mouru)

33 >>> I am seriously considering the Byzantine Catholic Church. I don't know if it's any better, and it's still technically under the commie pope, but it's something....Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at September 13, 2018 03:20 PM (JZMRD)

You could join the Coptic church? Coptic crosses are pretty... and Copts have their own pope!

Posted by: LizLem at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (hvf9s)

34 My shock is palpable. Seriously, who responds to institutional pederasty coverups with "the devil is accusing us?" Who says the fault is with the victims rather than the perpetrators?

It's almost better that this guy is Pope. It makes the left obviiusly complicit in covering for him, and motivates actual Catholics like Vigano to come forward and act against him.

Posted by: trev006 at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (+wxDg)

35 Satan made those cookies so delicious!

Posted by: Cap'n Ed at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (rXFv5)

36 Well he could've shot himself in both feet instead of just one....

Posted by: Draki at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (kktHf)

37 Red Pope Frankie Hollywood needs to go.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (yQpMk)

38 Yeah just going to wander off to do other things instead of re-fighting the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. Again.

Ditto

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (39g3+)

39 Eventually, any Organization built by Man, will be run by an idiot. Its inevitable.

US had Obama... Catholic Church has this Pope.

Posted by: Don Q at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (NgKpN)

40 Poppin' Fresh has been a relentless apologist for Pope Commie I and always assigns the most benign interpretations possible to his words and actions.

Posted by: Lebron Horowitz at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (UFgOG)

41 No Pope, Preists who stick their penises into places they should not is the Satanic thing. Not the people who are working to stop that.

Posted by: Archer at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (erT2i)

42
Yep, we're headed for another thousand years of dark ages.

"When politics and religion ride in the same cart ..."

Posted by: Grand Lee Cooper at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (I9Sw7)

43 Why people became Protestants, Thesis #96?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (ujg0T)

44 So...HIDING sins and crimes = totes ok

Accurate accusations of henious sins and crimes = Satan's work.

*nods*

Go fuck yourself, Francis.
Go Eastern Orthodox or go Evangelical

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (bcbK8)

45 The dark side does have cookies.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (AkSKU)

46 Maybe the Swiss Guards could just spirit Francis off to an obscure monastery and replace him with Benedict? Call it a coup de commie or something.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (RD7QR)

47 5 I am seriously considering the Byzantine Catholic Church. I don't know if it's any better, and it's still technically under the commie pope, but it's something....
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at September 13, 2018 03:20 PM (JZMRD)

I heard it's extremely complicated.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (NWiLs)

48 The selection of Pope Francis was always puzzling to me. Someone smart posted that he might be used as a vehicle to clean up the hierarchy of the Church, just not in hte way Pope Francis imagined. The gates of hell will not prevail against it.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (OD2ni)

49 isn't that special?!!

Posted by: concrete girl at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (Tm+wy)

50 I assume that Pope Frankie will claim to have been misquoted or mistranslated.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (yQpMk)

51 Pope taking quote from Flip Wilson: "The devil made me do it."

I do not like Socialist Francis. He looks like the devil visits him often. My bad.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (J5mzk)

52 Posted by: trev006 at September 13, 2018 03:24 PM (+wxDg)

Old and Busted, the Devil made me do it!

New Hotness, the Devil just Accused me of it!

Posted by: Don Q at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (NgKpN)

53 Talking in Tongues and Handling Snakes. Francis is going for the golden oldies now. He will do anything other than his job. What a mensch.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (2LelM)

54 Ed Morrissey's analyses is quite spot-on. Unless some subtle nuance was lost in translation, that was a bad homily.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 13, 2018 03:22 PM

During Benedict's term I used to say to people, "Wait. That's a lousy translation, give it a couple of days." Sure as shit it was.

Under Frankie that has never happened. It's always just as bad as initially reported.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (LOgQ4)

55 Pope Alexander IX. The Borgias would be proud.

Posted by: RYAN FRANK at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (EKxGt)

56 YOu know, I was trying to get back into church-going. Planning on hitting Confession for the first time in forever.

Now?

Time for plan B. ALso an earlier wake-up on Sundays.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (AM1GF)

57 Just more of a putrid legacy of this church over the last 2,000 years. Nothing good they have done outweighs the horrors they have done.

Sue them into bankruptcy. Force them to sell all of their art and property and shut the thing down.

Do a Giordano Bruno on this asshole pope.

Do a 4th crusade on their all of their asses.

Posted by: Anchovy at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (srWwQ)

58 Peter the Roman.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (T71PA)

59 Look, Special Ed. You're gonna have to accept that Poop-Pushin' Frankie is Demonic.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (UnA8+)

60 Pope Defies Critics Vows To Fight Any One Of You Faggots In The Octagon

Posted by: The New York Fucking Times at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (jDF8P)

61 Hey, if the Vicar of Christ says the accusers are doing the devil's work rather than the kiddie-fuckers, who am I to say otherwise?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (NWiLs)

62 or rather, spokeholes for Pope Frankie will claim he has been misquoted or mistranslated.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (yQpMk)

63 I could walk into Mass Sunday blindfolded and pick a better Pope than this communist. I*m sure there is a mechanism for his removal. It needs to be employed, for him and every worthless so called prince of the Church responsible for installing him in the Vatican.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (wyNrR)

64 It's not just altar boys, as demonic as that it. McCarrick pressured seminarians into sex. A high percentage of people doing these crimes were the lavender mafia at least according to the conservative RC website. "church militant".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (AllCR)

65 You know who else got accused of a lot of shit, probably by Satan?

*hums Der Panzerlied*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (Mouru)

66 Ah, the devil made them do it. Classic, classic. Never goes out of style.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl, now with more Kaboom! at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (Gim9y)

67 Pope Defies Critics Vows To Fight Any One Of You Faggots In The Octagon

I snorted out loud.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (yQpMk)

68 The last pope indeed.

Posted by: Max Power at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (q177U)

69 I'm hoping for a counter coup,since this pretender was installed in a coup.

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (mCMQ5)

70 Eph. 5

"8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible - and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. 14 This is why it is said:

"Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you."

15 Be very careful, then, how you live - not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil."

Posted by: goodluckduck at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (rwaEp)

71 "Pope Francis blames the current pedophilia crisis on Satan and those sexy, sexy children."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (bcbK8)

72 If Pope Frankie commits the rest of his life to going after the NRA, we'll know exactly what's going on.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (Mouru)

73 56 YOu know, I was trying to get back into church-going. Planning on hitting Confession for the first time in forever.

Now?

Time for plan B. ALso an earlier wake-up on Sundays.
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Just go to IHOP on Sunday mornings, think deep thoughts and eat pancakes. Its good for a soul.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (2LelM)

74 69 I'm hoping for a counter coup,since this pretender was installed in a coup.
Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (mCMQ5)

I thought he had a Popemobile.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (NWiLs)

75 >>> You Know, Accusations About Pedophilia and Cover-Ups Are Really the Work of the "Great Accuser," Satan

Tell me if I have this right. Leaders in the Catholic church were found to be involved in molesting boys. Pope Benedict penalized them and shunned them from high positions in the church. Pope Francis not only returned many of those men to high positions within the church under his reign, but one of them is now one of his right hand men. And he looked the other way as abuses resumed.

Do I have that right? If so, someone is influenced by Satan all right!

Posted by: LizLem at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (hvf9s)

76 It's a sad day for Catholics when the pope and his minions in the church hierarchy don't believe in God.

Posted by: huerfano at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (pqc4s)

77 71 "Pope Francis blames the current pedophilia crisis on Satan and those sexy, sexy children."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (bcbK

Red Hot Catholic Love indeed.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (NWiLs)

78 66 Ah, the devil made them do it. Classic, classic. Never goes out of style.
Posted by: atomicplaygirl, now with more Kaboom! at September 13, 2018 03:27 PM (Gim9y)

HA! And I got the 66th post! One 6 short! Cosmic meaning! There's probably a GRB incoming, sorry folks, Y5 was right.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl, now with more Kaboom! at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (Gim9y)

79 And there is a quiet scandal being investigated in St John's Seminary in the Boston, MA. area. Same deal -- seminarians behaving inappropriately, possible inappropriate contact between seminarians and the priests/professors.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (jxbfJ)

80 Hey, who just nailed these feces to my door?

Posted by: Pope Frankie the Red at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (Mouru)

81 The pedos and their sympathizers are so entrenched in the Catholic hierarchy that the Pope cannot clean house. The cancer has metastasized to the bone.

Posted by: wooga at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (rXFv5)

82 The prohibition on marriage is a scourge to the Catholic church. You see how twisted they are now.

Twisted homo-pedophiles stalk their halls. I would never let my kids, especially the boys, alone with a priest.

How sad is that statement. I can understand politics, power, even murder/intrigue, whatever.

But systematically covering for pedos is something that will eventually break the church. And it's sad, very sad, to see.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (q+HNC)

83 Wow, first Catholic vs Protestant thread of the week, and it took until Thursday to get it. Impressive.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (I16G8)

84 Snitch rhymes with witch
Vatican is gonna burn these whistleblowers at the stake

Posted by: Votermom's phone now on Team Gloom Sub Duty at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (EpNWR)

85 Do a 4th crusade on their all of their asses.
Posted by: Anchovy at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (srWwQ)

Actually, *they* did the 4th Crusade on the Orthodox.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (ujg0T)

86 Satan does mean "accuser."

Posted by: goodluckduck at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (rwaEp)

87 77 71 "Pope Francis blames the current pedophilia crisis on Satan and those sexy, sexy children."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (bcbK

Red Hot Catholic Love indeed.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (NWiLs)

We live in scary times when South Park is prophesy.

I'm keeping my eye on Barbara Streisand next

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (bcbK8)

88 What a mensch.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 13, 2018 03:25 PM (2LelM)

Are you sure that's what you meant?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (p2jI/)

89 "No Pope, Preists who stick their penises into places they should not is the Satanic thing. Not the people who are working to stop that.
Posted by: Archer"

That issue has mainly been dealt with in the US. The newest cases-- McCarrick, et. al. -- are about the hierarchy's abuse *of priests* and of *priests in training.*

Please don't blame a lot of good men (low level priests) for nothing they did.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (OD2ni)

90 When we think that one prevert in a position power harmed hundreds of girls and women (Univ of Michigan), the average toll exacted by abuse by Church personnel pales. But many similar things went on. Both enjoyed insulation from discovery, remedial action and due process. Recently the president of that university was belittling the carnage, and spending money to try and spin it away.
She ultimately failed, but she was able to leave with a golden parachute.

Too many people in institutions forget why they and the institutions exist, and this is, seemingly, a natural result.

Our current pope is an idiot, in that he thinks his position is similar to that in government, where they are relatively safe from full prosecution for crimes. And as leftist as he and the US conference of bishops are, they are hated by the Beautiful People, who want them gone.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2018 03:30 PM (SHz3e)

91 I have resolved to live my life as a gay man.

Posted by: Pope Francis at September 13, 2018 03:30 PM (yQpMk)

92 Could we say that the Vatican is trying a "Hail Mary" play ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at September 13, 2018 03:30 PM (58Au8)

93 well, as the Catholics become absorbed by the aztecs...you guess there may be some commingling of the faiths.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at September 13, 2018 03:30 PM (yMqYP)

94 So Francis must be a pedo.. am I reading that right?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 13, 2018 03:30 PM (so+oy)

95 I*m sure there is a mechanism for his removal.

------

There is. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: John VIII at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (AzW6q)

96 So a few of our confessionals have glory holes. It's a mistake any honest priest could make.

Posted by: Pope Frankie the Red at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (Mouru)

97 >>>The 'Great Accuser', as he himself says to God in the first chapter of the Book of Job, 'roams the earth looking for someone to accuse'.

No offense meant to Christians here, but there's an interesting liberal interpretation of "Satan".

The theory is that he used to be regarded, not as evil, but as God's sting operations man. He'd sniff out phonies as he tries to do with Job. Later, it is asserted that Zoroastrian influence crept into Judaism, and Satan was re-imagined as an evil opponent, similar to the dualist concept in Zoroastrianism.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (/qEW2)

98 91 I have resolved to live my life as WITH a gay man.
Posted by: Pope Francis at September 13, 2018 03:30 PM (yQpMk)

FIFY

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (bcbK8)

99 Napalm the Vatican. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (NWiLs)

100 I really think Francis needs to resign

Posted by: Iris at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (dYDe7)

101 Relax. Don't do it.

When you want to go to it.

Relax!

Posted by: Pope Frankie (Goes To Hollywood) at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (QLvwG)

102 Wow, first Catholic vs Protestant thread of the week, and it took until Thursday to get it. Impressive.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (I16G

Busy ganging up on the Mormons.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (p2jI/)

103 CNN...Pope pounces on satan!

Posted by: Tentotwo at September 13, 2018 03:31 PM (yhf6w)

104 He says we need urgency on global warming...

Days after the PA scandal broke. He is an evil man and a disgrace.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 13, 2018 03:32 PM (q+HNC)

105 I*m sure there is a mechanism for his removal.

Call us.

Posted by: Bell Book & Candle Supplies & Accessories, Inc. at September 13, 2018 03:32 PM (Mouru)

106 "Just more of a putrid legacy of this church over the last 2,000 years. Nothing good they have done outweighs the horrors they have done."

I see the Jack Chick brigage has arrived.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:32 PM (OD2ni)

107 I'm not intending to attack CM or any other good Catholics here.

But as someone who tries to be pro-Christian...y'all need to clean house. With a *deleted* if you need to.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (bcbK8)

108 If only the Catholic Church could be like the sheriffs department in Fl that ignored the shooting of 17 human beings. but, fortunately, they are not.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (SHz3e)

109 I have made a list of things you must do for penance, my child. Report to my chambers immediately.

Posted by: Pope Frankie the Red at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (Mouru)

110 Why am I picturing the trial scene from Animal House only in the Vatican.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (Et2h7)

111 Ed Morrissey grossly underestimates Francis Satan.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (vWMNq)

112 Benedict is still The Pope.
Pay no attention to this guy.

Posted by: McCool at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (sZaoP)

113 So the pope says these accusations are the work of Satan.

Catholic dogma says that what the pope holds true on Earth, God will hold true in Heaven.

This pope is a scumbag.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (7rttt)

114 It's truly bizarre to say that the Bishops are being attacked by Satan. The Bishops were the tools of Satan to do these sins that hurt members of the church, not the other way around.

Posted by: Draki at September 13, 2018 03:34 PM (kktHf)

115 The LGBBQTXYZ activists have for years pointed at the church and by extention all christians, saying clean your own house before attacking "our" lifestyle.

Ironically, their lifestyle IS what needs cleaning out of the church.

Posted by: The Dude at September 13, 2018 03:34 PM (z79tQ)

116 "what? shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?....shall we sin, because we are not under the law but under grace?

Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourself servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness.
God Forbid"
-- Roman 6:1, 15, 16
that is obvious enough, but for the "servants of the church" to be covering up their "service to sin unto death", reveals a large disinterest in obedience to righteousness.

Those proven to be serving sin must be removed ... and from the civics sense, must be prosecuted. Any less is just wrong practice which has been made "Wrong Doctrine". (official policy to cover it up and shut up those that complain ... kinda like DeepState has done to our constitution, in their punishment of whistle blowers)

Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2018 03:34 PM (Cus5s)

117 O Benedict Kenobi, you're our only hope!
Come back and defrock Frankie the Dope

Posted by: Votermom's phone now on Team Gloom Sub Duty at September 13, 2018 03:34 PM (EpNWR)

118 The strike-out worked in the preview ... this commenting system is worthless ... if it weren't the only place with a half intelligent crew, I'd be long gone.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (vWMNq)

119 So, the Pope admitted failure in protecting his own flock from Satan? Seems like he should be impeached or something.

Posted by: Sponge at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (Zz0t1)

120 There are a large number of rich Catholics.

I mean - someone in Opus Dei, for instance, certainly owns a helicopter...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (AzW6q)

121 The Pope is holding a "sex abuse summit" with various Bishops in order to discuss what can be done about it. Of course, nothing will be done.

Pope: What should we do??

Bishops: We'd like to do something, but those altar boys and seminarians are just so luscious. Alas, it seems there's no way out.

Pope: Well, at least we tried.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (/qEW2)

122 The Left destroys everything it touches. It is a literal self-hating death cult with a perverse compulsion to destroy everybody else before self-immolating.

Posted by: ShainS, Ace Spectrum Survivor at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (9Oiym)

123 The Devil made me do it the first time.

The second time I done it on my own.

Posted by: Father Pedo at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (xBSm0)

124 Busy ganging up on the Mormons.

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.

Posted by: Die Heretic! at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (yQpMk)

125 76 It's a sad day for Catholics when the pope and his minions in the church hierarchy don't believe in God.

Posted by: huerfano

Just trying to keep up with the Church of England.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (0ogQG)

126 I would advise the Pope of the first rule of holes, but his response would most likely be 'fronthole or backhole?'

Posted by: BluesFish at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (VSxu3)

127 I understand it is an easy target, but there are a lot of us conservative Catholics that are committed to staying and fighting against these abuses by vile men in high positions that have infiltrated our Church. Could you please pray for us instead of mocking our faith (feel free to mock Francis/McCarrick all you like).

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (OD2ni)

128 122
The Left destroys everything it touches. It is a literal self-hating
death cult with a perverse compulsion to destroy everybody else before
self-immolating.

Posted by: ShainS, Ace Spectrum Survivor at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (9Oiym)

Why can't the right make their own churches?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (ymnmz)

129 Why, for the love of God, is this Pope not on the Colbert Show?

Posted by: torabora at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (Y274z)

130 113 So the pope says these accusations are the work of Satan.

Catholic dogma says that what the pope holds true on Earth, God will hold true in Heaven.

This pope is a scumbag.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (7rttt)

He's an Anti-Pope. I refuse to recognize him.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (J+mig)

131 So being a Catholic is like joining the Royal Navy. Who knew?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (2LelM)

132 Well, the last few weeks have made me glad that we're in a decentralized Protestant denomination. Although we are getting overrun with Canadians...

Posted by: pookysgirl at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (XKZwp)

133 I refuse to read anything that sanctimonious doughboy has to say.

I already know the Pope is a Satanic Marxist. What else can really be said Ed?

Posted by: Under Fire at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (r9UYA)

134 I nominate . . .

Father Guido Sarducci for Pope!

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (QLvwG)

135 Best of luck Benji.

First step would be getting rid of the "no marriage" rule. Attracts way too many whackjobs and predators.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (q+HNC)

136 It's almost like John 3:20 is applicable here: "Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed."

The Pope is doing evil and hates the light.

Posted by: Draki at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (kktHf)

137 Current Pope: You Know, Accusations About Pedophilia and Cover-Ups Are Really the Work of the "Great Accuser," Satan

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I know, right?

Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Savile at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (ZJ8LU)

138 115 The LGBBQTXYZ activists have for years pointed at the church and by extention all christians, saying clean your own house before attacking "our" lifestyle.

Ironically, their lifestyle IS what needs cleaning out of the church.
Posted by: The Dude at September 13, 2018 03:34 PM (z79tQ)

Nail meet hammer.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (NWiLs)

139 'The Great Accuser', huh? Hillary is SO using that!

Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (jyVW0)

140 Not a pedophilia problem. A homosexual predator problem. The lavender mafia is real, and they control a significant part of the Catholic clergy at this point.

You don't stop the teen boy rapes until you get rid of all the dick-suckers. That's as crudely plain as I can make this situation. But no one has the courage to do the purge that needs doing. That's why you'll still be reading about priests buggering boys when you're 90, no matter what age you are right now.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (SN4NF)

141 Uh, so the Catholic version of "RAYCISSSS!"

Posted by: DamnedYankee at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (37IEG)

142 Dope Frankie : Showing the World exactly why the Catholics aren't God's Chosen.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (UnA8+)

143 120 There are a large number of rich Catholics.

I mean - someone in Opus Dei, for instance, certainly owns a helicopter...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (AzW6q)

You know, a laity group like Opus Dei, and ordained people from same, is just what the Catholic Church needs.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (ujg0T)

144 Maybe there could be another Western Schism.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (p2jI/)

145 in other news, a red heifer has been born, we will see if it stays unblemished after a few more mths

that's all I got, glad i'm not a Christian today.

I got my own troubles.

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (dPd5y)

146 I stop watching football 30 yrs ago and stop going to church when I was 8.

Trendsetter

Superstar

Posted by: REDACTED at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (+g41/)

147 I'm beginning to think this pope doesn't have the right pope stuff.

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (fq72/)

148 Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 13, 2018 03:26 PM (AM1GF)

I would encourage you not to do that. If your faith has been important to you and you are feeling are urge to reconnect again I think that's a message from God), go to confession and then go to receive the Eucharist. Plenty of people are doing that and still finding ways to protest the actions of the hierarchy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (AllCR)

149 Although we are getting overrun with Canadians...
Posted by: pookysgirl at September 13, 2018 03:37 PM (XKZwp)

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The Leaf will inherit the Earth...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (AzW6q)

150 Has anyone heard anything from Pope Benedict recently?
BTW, me calling him Pope is not a typo.

Posted by: Lightning at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (rfvlz)

151 There is a group of Catholic CEOs, 2000 of them (I forget what the group is called) who give large contributions to the Vatican every year. This year they put the money in escrow until this there is more transparency on how this is being handled. So the Vatican is feeling the financial pressure. On a personal we have stopped contributing to all general funds at our archdiocese and told them our reasoning as well.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (a0IVu)

152 Hey, who just nailed these feces to my door?
Posted by: Pope Frankie the Red at September 13, 2018 03:29 PM (Mouru)

That's just the only one that stuck. Look down.
There's the other 98.

Posted by: Martin Pooper at September 13, 2018 03:39 PM (z79tQ)

153
I understand it is an easy target, but there are a lot of us
conservative Catholics that are committed to staying and fighting
against these abuses by vile men in high positions that have infiltrated
our Church. Could you please pray for us instead of mocking our faith
(feel free to mock Francis/McCarrick all you like).

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (OD2ni)

You got it.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 13, 2018 03:39 PM (QLvwG)

154 And it has to be true, I remember them teaching me the Pope was Inflammable.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at September 13, 2018 03:39 PM (37IEG)

155

EM BRZOSKWINIA FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at September 13, 2018 03:39 PM (7AQC5)

156 131 So being a Catholic is like joining the Royal Navy. Who knew?

There is no cannibalism in the Vatican!

Posted by: wooga at September 13, 2018 03:39 PM (rXFv5)

157 127
I understand it is an easy target, but there are a lot of us
conservative Catholics that are committed to staying and fighting
against these abuses by vile men in high positions that have infiltrated
our Church. Could you please pray for us instead of mocking our faith
(feel free to mock Francis/McCarrick all you like).

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:36 PM (OD2ni)

Right there with you.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 13, 2018 03:39 PM (jxbfJ)

158 Tom Woods Podcast from a couple weeks ago discusses this. Tom is Catholic, and he had on Roger McCaffery (editor) and Steve Skojec (blogger) about the letter released by Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano condemning what is going on and the Pope's actions in not dealing with it.
They also discuss what they think the basis of it all is.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7fvtzmh

Posted by: Kindltot at September 13, 2018 03:40 PM (2K6fY)

159 Just started an automatic car wash with the windows rolled down. Fuck my life.

Posted by: Max Power at September 13, 2018 03:40 PM (hcpHn)

160
in other news, a red heifer has been born, we will see if it stays unblemished after a few more mths

Is that one of the signs of a coming aporkalips?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2018 03:40 PM (IqV8l)

161 "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.
Posted by: Die Heretic! at September 13, 2018 03:35 PM (yQpMk)"

Years ago I was in a county park and saw a stone with a bronze plaque commemorating the site of that famous meeting.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at September 13, 2018 03:40 PM (58Au8)

162 so, not rc but fond of the rc church.

way benedict was forced out was suspicious so guessing someone has something on him.

even worse is how francis is working to wreck the church.

y'all should stop giving money until they fix this mess.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (MTjB1)

163 Hey, I'm INFALLIBLE, assholes!!!

Posted by: Pope Frankie Fabulous I at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (jDF8P)

164 It's really sad we Catholics have such a crap Pope, especially after JP II.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (8iiMU)

165 That is why the Holy Spirit is the Paraclete, the Advocate, the Great Defender. The Holy Spirit defends us against The Great Accuser.

Antipope Bergoglio is dirty and he is going down.

Posted by: JAS at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (3HNOQ)

166 160
in other news, a red heifer has been born, we will see if it stays unblemished after a few more mths

Is that one of the signs of a coming aporkalips?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2018 03:40 PM (IqV8l)

Quit hogging the signs and portents.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (NWiLs)

167 cn rank and file Catholics demand francis be removed and that the bishops/priests whoever is involved can be dealt with finally, so They can move onto a religion they believe in?

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (dPd5y)

168 The church will burn when Christ returns. They will burn for their sins.

Posted by: Sponge at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (Zz0t1)

169 Why are liberals and lefties not demanding that he retire or resign?

This is simple, he is trivializing priests' criminal behavior that victimizes children and minors.
We have government officials whose job it is to deal with global warming and immigration.

The Pope is directly responsible for providing acceptable priests and bishops. That's his damn job and he isn't doing it competently. He needs to resign. Satan isn't molesting children. Priests are.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (+lVUW)

170 Why is it so difficult to prevent priests and bishops from having exclusive access to boys?

Whether in the classroom, the sacristy, etc. ALWAYS require that there be a layperson in attendance. This is silly. Many Protestant churches have precautions in place to make sure abuse doesn't happen. There is no reason for this to be an ongoing issue, except for perverted clergymen who want continued access to boys.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (/qEW2)

171 well there is also the verse about casting the beam out of your own eye, before complaining about where the other guy has his prick ...

I may not have quoted that quite right ...

Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2018 03:42 PM (Cus5s)

172 insomniac I said I got nothing, I was just to throw in a dollop of hope.

like maybe we don't have to fight the crap much longer

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2018 03:42 PM (dPd5y)

173 But as someone who tries to be pro-Christian...y'all need to clean house. With a *deleted* if you need to.

Posted by:�Mark Andrew Edwards�at September 13, 2018 03:33 PM (bcbK

Speaking as someone who wholly agrees with the sentiment, the American people theoretically have more control over the bureaucracy than the global laity has over the Catholic Church.

Let me know when purging the deep state happens, and then we can swap strategic advice.

Posted by: trev006 at September 13, 2018 03:42 PM (+wxDg)

174 A little advice from our friends in Nuclear Assault -

Hang the pope, hang the pope, hang the pope...

Posted by: Fearless Freep at September 13, 2018 03:42 PM (q1piP)

175 Pope Commie is also a Pedo!

And we wonder why the left loves him so much?

Posted by: William Eaton at September 13, 2018 03:42 PM (MuTTO)

176 146
I stop watching football 30 yrs ago and stop going to church when I was 8.

Trendsetter

Superstar

Posted by: REDACTED at September 13, 2018 03:38 PM (+g41/)

I think I gave my last run at organized religion when, after Trump was elected the pastor gave a foaming at the mouth sermon about about how religion must inform your politics and here is what you need to do.........and them rattled off a list of lefty talking points. The anger on his face was ugly, finger wagging and everything.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 13, 2018 03:42 PM (ymnmz)

177 164
It's really sad we Catholics have such a crap Pope, especially after JP II.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (8iiMU)
I hold out hope that our next Pope will be a conservative from Africa or Asia..

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 13, 2018 03:43 PM (a0IVu)

178 The pastor for my parish has danced around this issue and I'm thankful for it. There was a listening session last weekend where people from the parish spoke their minds and the comments were going to be compiled and put in a letter to the archdiocese. I heard a lot of people who sounded like Morons voicing their frustration, anger, and sadness there.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 13, 2018 03:43 PM (KUaJL)

179 The worst part of this is it appears the new Pope has adopted Nancy Pelosi's version of Catholic Dogma.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at September 13, 2018 03:43 PM (37IEG)

180 I'm hoping the firestorm unleashed by the lavender Mafia will burn out the bastards soon and then the Church can return to it's mission and ministries without them.

Francis has got to go as a first step.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 13, 2018 03:43 PM (9rIkM)

181 Benji- if you do not fight against Satan, then you are for him. Lowly Preists included.

Posted by: Archer at September 13, 2018 03:43 PM (erT2i)

182 Ed Morrissey writes:

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The Ed Morrissey that wrote on his website that he didn't know if he was going to vote for Hillary or for Trump and probably wouldn't know for sure until the morning of election day?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Straight outta Wakanda, it's J-Tuff in da house! at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (JTUFF)

183 The Boy Scouts have a more robust youth protection program in place.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (Uiz/V)

184 please pray for us. ugh. just. ugh.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (d7Ww2)

185 Current Pope: You Know, Accusations About Pedophilia and Cover-Ups Are Really the Work of the "Great Accuser," ~~Satan~~ Capitalism!!

Posted by: Pope Franky The Red - Give Me All Your Shit! at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (w0IWw)

186 Speaking as someone who wholly agrees with the sentiment, the American people theoretically have more control over the bureaucracy than the global laity has over the Catholic Church.

Let me know when purging the deep state happens, and then we can swap strategic advice.
Posted by: trev006 at September

not the same. rcs have the ability to drop the hammer on the rcc without fear. no money for you francis. stop paying your taxes you will pay physical penalties.

rcc needs Americans lots more than other countries.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (MTjB1)

187 Paul Ryan is a disgrace and a joke.

He cannot leave soon enough.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (kT3/m)

188 I guess the Poe misheard that scripture when Jesus said "Suffer the little children and hinder them not from coming unto me."

He did not mean make the children suffer, Frankie boy.

You are an evil man.

Evil.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (vbJig)

189 Praying for the RC Church. It has been infiltrated by evil men posing as Shepards of the faithful, but they are truly wolves. God destroy them and restore the church.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (DlLvC)

190 183
The Boy Scouts have a more robust youth protection program in place.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (Uiz/V)

Yes they are pretty serious about it.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (ymnmz)

191 75 >>> You Know, Accusations About Pedophilia and Cover-Ups Are Really the Work of the "Great Accuser," Satan

Tell me if I have this right. Leaders in the Catholic church were found to be involved in molesting boys. Pope Benedict penalized them and shunned them from high positions in the church. Pope Francis not only returned many of those men to high positions within the church under his reign, but one of them is now one of his right hand men. And he looked the other way as abuses resumed.

Do I have that right? If so, someone is influenced by Satan all right!
Posted by: LizLem at September 13, 2018 03:28 PM (hvf9s)

Sounds like it's Francis who is lobbing accusations.

More leftist projection.

Posted by: rickl at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (xjiRE)

192 187 Paul Ryan is a disgrace and a joke.

He cannot leave soon enough.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (kT3/m)
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What has he done now?

Posted by: WisRich at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (G0vdT)

193
Meh,, if I were the Pope I wouldn't worry too much about any of this. Honestly,, It was more than 10 miles from me and I'd much rather be bowling...

Posted by: Nanner split-tail dude at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (7AQC5)

194
Antipope Bergoglio is dirty and he is going down.
Posted by: JAS

What happens when Pope meets Antipope?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (IqV8l)

195 Francis has got to go as a first step.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 13, 2018 03:43 PM (9rIkM)

Vigano has pointed out that the Lavendar Mafia must go first or you just end up with Frankie 2

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (vWMNq)

196 #NotMyPope

fuck you, you fucking motherfucker of an anti-Christ.

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (8n9MS)

197 why can't the bishops over jurisdictions just do a 'you're fired ' send off the accts of abuse to police?

take it out of their hands at that point, allow people religion to have faith in their leadership again?

I don't get it.

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (dPd5y)

198 Wow, first Catholic vs Protestant thread of the week, and it took until Thursday to get it. Impressive.
Posted by: Calm Mentor

It's cool I'm a Baptist.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (Bdeb0)

199 "Why is it so difficult to prevent priests and bishops from having exclusive access to boys?"

It's not and that has been dealt with. In the process, a lot of good men who did nothing wrong had to take humiliating precautions to avoid ever being alone for one second with a child.

The current problems stem from high officials abusing younger prirets and seminarians, and being covered up by the highest levels of the Church because the per had the right politics. .

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (OD2ni)

200 The church will burn when Christ returns. They will burn for their sins.
Posted by: Sponge at September 13, 2018 03:41 PM (Zz0t1)

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Not just them. The abortionists and eugenicists among Western society are begging - begging - the G-d of the Hebrews to press the "delete" key on our civilization. Valley of Gehenna shit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (AzW6q)

201 Ah, so it's not priests groping and ass-fucking altar boys that's the work of de debbil, it's exposing the priests groping and ass-fucking altar boys that's the work of de debbil. Got it.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:23 PM (NWiLs)

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South Park nailed this years ago. Amid accusations of molestation, Catholic church leaders gather together, not how to stop the molestation, but how to stop the accusations.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (bEdgG)

202
Matthew 18:6
"But
if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble,
it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his
neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

Posted by: rayj at September 13, 2018 03:47 PM (pI/IV)

203 With the way this Pope acts re: child-buggerers, I have to assume he's probably one, himself.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 03:47 PM (AzW6q)

204 Wow, first Catholic vs Protestant thread of the week, and it took until Thursday to get it. Impressive.
Posted by: Calm Mentor

not sure why people perceive it as such. not rc, protestant, however do not wish anything short of good for the rcc.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:47 PM (MTjB1)

205 Well ... when Frankie is finally done playing pope he's got a cushy position (tushy position?) waiting for him with UN relief workers. No one does child rape like the UN, really. And they need a real pro at the helm.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 13, 2018 03:48 PM (w0IWw)

206 Wait, these child molesters are GAY?!?!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Straight outta Wakanda, it's J-Tuff in da house! at September 13, 2018 03:48 PM (JTUFF)

207 Here in Boston the legal authorities, to whom the molestation s were reported, have yet to pay any price for their perfidy.

Posted by: Judith Miley at September 13, 2018 03:48 PM (f9Pxy)

208 Years ago a priest was murdered in a church in Wi.
Someone came in, cut his throat, and left without being seen.

Everyone thought the same thing.

Nobody's been charged yet.

Posted by: The Dude at September 13, 2018 03:48 PM (z79tQ)

209 "Peter the Roman."

yep. I thought for a long time he is "Chance the gardener."

The fucker is very shrewd, and dirty.

Posted by: JAS at September 13, 2018 03:49 PM (3HNOQ)

210
The Catholic laity give the clergy a lot of deference, but this isn't a matter of faith or morals, it's a matter of administration. For the money the laity contributes and the work it gives to each parish and diocese, they should be able to expect something in return:

1) Good men as priests who keep their hands to themselves.

2) A hierarchy manned by bishops and cardinals who got where they were by merit and holiness, not who they knew or who they were useful to.

3) Clear doctrine clearly stated.

There are several problems that can get jumbled up:

1) Sexual abuse by priests. It may well be that the Pennsylvania revelations are historical, that now such abuse is very rare. But let's not kid ourselves: when homosexual men are 3-5% of the male population and 80% of abuse cases are against young men, it's a problem with homosexuals in the priesthood, not celibacy or some hand-fluttering term used to cover up that fact.

2) The state of vocations. How did all these monsters get through the many years in the seminary and not get expelled? How were vocations discerned? What was done when seminarians were abused by their fellows or by the faculty? What parents are going to encourage their sons to pursue their vocation unless this rot is cleared out?

3) How did someone like McCarrick advance so far in the Church hierarchy? And he's not the only one. How do bishops and cardinals get preferment? It's said that you don't rise in the Church, you're pulled.

All I can say is that the parts of the Church that are growing are the more traditional ones. For example, the FSSP has established quite a few parishes here in the US in recent years; I attend one here in Houston. The clergy is becoming more traditional as well. There's a real thirst for solid doctrine and reverent ceremony instead of the flabby suggestions and dreadful show of the post-Vatican II Church.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 13, 2018 03:49 PM (BWL+E)

211 190
183

The Boy Scouts have a more robust youth protection program in place.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (Uiz/V)

Yes they are pretty serious about it.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (ymnmz)

Our Diocese has a very solid youth protection program. It was instituted following the sex abuse scandal that rocked the Boston ArchDiocese and involved NH's Bishop McCormick.

The Knights of Columbus have a very similar program in place as well. Assuming other Dioceses have similar protections in place, the threat isn't so much from current incidents -- those are being dealt with quickly and publicly. This is a problem of coverups, of those in power in the Church who knowingly covered this up and are not coming clean for the sake of the faithful. Add on to that the homosexual behavior of a few priests (especially the two down in FL for recent examples), in the seminaries, and amongst themselves.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 13, 2018 03:49 PM (jxbfJ)

212 Pope CommiePedo is reading from the Big Book of Lies and How to Handle a Crisis, authored by Bill and Hillary Clinton, and unsurprisingly, Satan himself.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 13, 2018 03:49 PM (dDMQ9)

213 >>187
Paul Ryan is a disgrace and a joke.

He cannot leave soon enough.

Posted by: Kreplach

That he's still there tells us all we have to know about the other pieces of dogshit in the GOP.

Posted by: Under Fire at September 13, 2018 03:49 PM (r9UYA)

214 "The Boy Scouts have a more robust youth protection program in place."

I have had training in both. I can only speak for my diocese, but is is about the same. The Church has a more formal certiciifcation program.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:49 PM (OD2ni)

215
The Ed Morrissey that wrote on his website that he didn't know if he was going to vote for Hillary or for Trump and probably wouldn't know for sure until the morning of election day?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Straight outta Wakanda, it's J-Tuff in da house! at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (JTUFF)

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Ed did not like Trump because he used naughty language, and banged willing adult females who lusted after him.

Posted by: William Eaton at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (MuTTO)

216 The Church Lady could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: GuyfromNH at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (Gs5TH)

217 South Park nailed this years ago. Amid accusations of molestation, Catholic church leaders gather together, not how to stop the molestation, but how to stop the accusations.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (bEdgG)

So the Roman Catholic Church needs a Father Maxi?

That an active laymen in the Church. Someone else brought up Opus Dei as an example.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (ujg0T)

218 The Ed Morrissey that wrote on his website that he didn't know if he was going to vote for Hillary or for Trump and probably wouldn't know for sure until the morning of election day?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Straight outta Wakanda, it's J-Tuff in da house! at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (JTUFF)

But he did vote for Trump, and has defended that choice. Don't be so picky.

Posted by: George LeS at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (59GGI)

219 What happens when Pope meets Antipope?

POPE FIGHT!

Sunday Sunday Sunday

BE THERE!

Grab your wafers and wine!

Get Ready for POPE FIGHT!!

Posted by: Pope Fight 2018 at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (xBSm0)

220 ugh, ok this is a tough thread, think i'll finish cooking dinner hope you guys can figure out How to deal with the hierarchy.

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (dPd5y)

221 'Is the Pope Catholic' used to be a joke.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (oVJmc)

222 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

-- Some old document

Posted by: LizLem at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (hvf9s)

223 I read within the past day or two that Vigano has rigged up a "death switch" so that if he is disappeared, a lot of information goes public.

Whoever said the real enemy here is the lavender mafia is correct.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at September 13, 2018 03:51 PM (eAVAh)

224 210
The clergy is becoming more traditional as well.
There's a real thirst for solid doctrine and reverent ceremony instead
of the flabby suggestions and dreadful show of the post-Vatican II
Church.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 13, 2018 03:49 PM (BWL+E)

I am seeing this as well. The Catholic faith is rich and beautiful in tradition and ritual. Modern era has strayed away from that -- at great peril.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 13, 2018 03:51 PM (jxbfJ)

225 What happens when Pope meets Antipope?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (IqV8l)

Just more papal bull.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:52 PM (NWiLs)

226 This guy Francis would never make it thru a supreme court confirmation hearing. He's too dirty to be seated upon the dais with our other exalted, black-robed clergy.

Posted by: Fritz at September 13, 2018 03:52 PM (2Mnv1)

227 y'all should simply quuit giving money if you do not want to have a throwdown with the church. you quietly pass the collection basket through the sanctuary without giving.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:52 PM (MTjB1)

228 225 What happens when Pope meets Antipope?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2018 03:45 PM (IqV8l)

Just more papal bull.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 13, 2018 03:52 PM (NWiLs)

Golf clap.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2018 03:52 PM (ujg0T)

229 Ah, so it's not priests groping and ass-fucking altar boys that's the work of de debbil, it's exposing the priests groping and ass-fucking altar boys that's the work of de debbil. Got it.

South Park got this so right it's not satire, it's prophecy.

The episode "Red Hot Catholic Love" has the local Catholic Priest, Father Maxi, gather other priests to talk about how to combat pedophilia in the Church. In the meeting, Maxi discovers he is the only one who is actually worried about pedophilia. Every other one of his colleagues is only worried about stopping the victims from reporting molestation.

It seems this Pope cannot be satirized.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2018 03:53 PM (9qZ3S)

230 227
y'all should simply quuit giving money if you do not want to have a
throwdown with the church. you quietly pass the collection basket
through the sanctuary without giving.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:52 PM (MTjB1)
Yup; our family is not the only ones doing that.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 13, 2018 03:53 PM (a0IVu)

231 happens when Pope meets Antipope?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September

you mean when francis looks in a mirror? wonder if he has a reflection.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:54 PM (MTjB1)

232 I am seeing this as well. The Catholic faith is rich and beautiful in tradition and ritual. Modern era has strayed away from that -- at great peril.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Not being RC and only having been to a couple. Their is something beautiful and special about a Latin Mass.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 13, 2018 03:54 PM (Bdeb0)

233 Wellp, I guess Catholics can invoke this in court now?

"SATAN! It was HIM made me Lust after his sweet, ten-year-old ass!"

Posted by: Not Enough Lamp Posts at September 13, 2018 03:54 PM (S1+dw)

234 stop paying your taxes you will pay physical penalties.�

rcc needs Americans lots more than other countries.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:44 PM (MTjB1)

Sounds pretty good. In the USA, revoking tax exemptions would be done by the non-Catholic majority, yeah?

Think it's going to happen soon?

Posted by: trev006 at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (+wxDg)

235 229 South Park got this so right it's not satire, it's prophecy.

Actually it's *history*. The infiltration of the church by teh ghey began in 1924 ... 5 years before the commies.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (vWMNq)

236 The Pope cannot meet the anti-pope, otherwise there will be a big explosion.
I saw that on Trek Wars once.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (8iiMU)

237 Hey, it's authoritative. I'm speaking sex...er, I mean, ex cathedra here!

Posted by: Pope Frankie at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (NWiLs)

238 "Just more of a putrid legacy of this church over the last 2,000 years. Nothing good they have done outweighs the horrors they have done."

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typical cultural marxists. still can't forgive the church for being part of the great coalition that ended the USSR.

FWIW, the only real non shit hole part of the world was where the church and christians dwelt for the last 2000 years.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (yMqYP)

239 Whoever said the real enemy here is the lavender mafia is correct.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at September 13, 2018 03:51 PM (eAVAh)

Ann Barnhardt coined the phrase.
She is as uncharitable as the worst of us at what's happened to her church.

Posted by: The Dude at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (z79tQ)

240 > I am seriously considering the Byzantine Catholic Church. I don't know if it's any better, and it's still technically under the commie pope, but it's something....

Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Greek, etc.). Every bit as venerable as the RCC. There are some minor doctrinal differences (most importantly, they do not accept the authority of the Catholic Pope), but essentially the faiths are the same. Plus their priests are allowed to marry so you don't get nearly as many closeted sex perverts in the clergy.

There are also Coptic, Armenian, and various other Eastern churches that have apostolic succession of equal vintage as the RCC, but those may be harder to find.

In another era, I would have suggested high church Anglican/Episcopalian, but that whole branch has wandered deeply into error in recent decades.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (TM5Iv)

241 Could it beeeeee...SATAN?!

Posted by: The Church Lady at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (p+Wdc)

242 I got kicked out of the Vatican when I asked a Swiss Guard "Where's the little boy's room?"

Posted by: Minuteman at September 13, 2018 03:55 PM (A3b6q)

243 sounds like something a guilty as fuck pope would say.

Posted by: x at September 13, 2018 03:56 PM (nFwvY)

244
"Just more of a putrid legacy of this church over the last 2,000 years. Nothing good they have done outweighs the horrors they have done."

All officially atheist countries have been complete and utter failures.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 13, 2018 03:57 PM (BWL+E)

245 I got kicked out of the Vatican when I asked a Swiss Guard "Where's the little boy's room?"

I want this to be true.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2018 03:57 PM (9qZ3S)

246 Red Pope Frankie needs to go. Benedict XVI resigned for reasons of ill health back in 2013 yet is still knocking around the Vactican five years later. So it was a lie. Why did he resign? Was it a takeover? Coup? Either way it would make Frankie the Red a false pope.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at September 13, 2018 03:58 PM (O9qtX)

247 cut funding till the pope is gone and problem priests removed.
problem (probably) is they have allowed this to fester and grow for decades, and there are too many "problem priests" to be able to function without them. They are not willing to make the difficult choices ... unless forced, and they are sitting on a lot of wealth.

The other problem is the commie rot that has also festered and grown for decades (in parallel?) ... that gained "critical mass" to the point they nuked the system and forced their commie priest into power.

Actual Soviet era commies worked on the infiltration, and as with our DeepState, it has now turned into some shadowy globalist dark conglomeration of evil.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2018 03:58 PM (Cus5s)

248 I see a parallel between those seeking to uncover the evil in the Church and those seeking to uncover the treachery in our "sacred institutions" of the FBI etc. Both demonized in desperation.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 13, 2018 03:58 PM (qUahL)

249 revoking tax exemptions would be done by the non-Catholic majority, yeah?

Think it's going to happen soon?
Posted by: trev006 at September

you realize I wrote my comment in english?

what the hell doe tax exemptions have to do with anything?

having a tax exemption will not matter much when the church members quit giving them money.

why not get busy and figure out how you are going to clean house instead of twiddling thumbs and waiting for francis to leave?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:58 PM (MTjB1)

250 "y'all should simply quuit giving money if you do not want to have a throwdown with the church. you quietly pass the collection basket through the sanctuary without giving.
Posted by: yankeefifth"

My priests at my parish are not accused of anything. I see no reason to deprive them of resources to pay insurance/AC/Heat/electricyty, etc.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 03:58 PM (OD2ni)

251 I guess their 'worry' about global warming and open borders didn't distract enough people. So now they are going to plan B: Satan. Surprised they didn't start with the first team.

Looks like 'draining the swamp' applies to places beside Washington.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (V+03K)

252 Satan?!?

Posted by: Church Lady at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (z2W2E)

253 But he did vote for Trump, and has defended that choice. Don't be so picky.

Posted by: George LeS at September 13, 2018 03:50 PM (59GGI)

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Good for him for going in there the morning of election day and not voting for Hillary Clinton, but otherwise f*ck Ed Morrisey for doing all the damage he could do leading up to arguably the most important election of our lifetimes, and all in exchange for 30 pieces of Salem silver.

The saving grace is that he has a very small audience and had decided to sever all ties with 75% of them beforehand.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Straight outta Wakanda, it's J-Tuff in da house! at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (JTUFF)

254 This time Francis is in deep shit, and he obviously doesn't know what to do. Previously, all the shit he's thrown has been stuff about doctrine and global warming, which many of the laity, and all the media, accept.

But this time he's taking on an issue in which neither factor applies. Granted, it's fun seeing the media that just loved this story under Benedict, now worry that conservatives will pounce. But their earlier stories cut off a real defense. This pisses off almost everyone else.

And Francis cannot handle it. He has always been - to put it charitably - unable and unwilling to explain himself, or anything else. So he's left with

1. I won't say a word.
Didn't work.
2. We must all rely on prayer and silence.
Didn't work.
3. The accusers are doing the devil's work.
Really, really won't work.

I expect eventually he will resign, because of pleas from his lefty bishop friends, when they see just how much they're going to lose in donations. Plus getting tired of being harangued in their own cathedrals.

I did see a troll on another site defending Francis because, among other things, many of his detractors support Trump. QED.

Posted by: George LeS at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (59GGI)

255 If the Pope was a woman this stuff would not be happening!!

Posted by: #metoo at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (p2jI/)

256 All officially atheist countries have been complete and utter failures.

Hmm, it seems to me there are a couple of options other than the RCC and atheism.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (9qZ3S)

257

"The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine- but for unbelievers a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight." - Hilaire Belloc

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (BWL+E)

258 having a tax exemption will not matter much when the church members quit giving them money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:58 PM (MTjB1)

If it included revoking property tax exemptions it would make a gigantic difference.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 13, 2018 04:00 PM (w0IWw)

259
Speaking as someone who wholly agrees with the sentiment, the American people theoretically have more control over the bureaucracy than the global laity has over the Catholic Church.

Let me know when purging the deep state happens, and then we can swap strategic advice.

Posted by: trev006 at September 13, 2018 03:42 PM

The difference being the Deep State has the IRS who automagically take our money to finance it.

The Catholic Church has no equivalent. Except guilt and that's running out of steam. When enough people put IOU's in the collection plate, stuff will begin to happen.

I think Frankie is toast.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at September 13, 2018 04:00 PM (LOgQ4)

260 Both demonized in desperation.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 13, 2018 03:58 PM (qUahL)

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Meanwhile, those who are being demonized demonstrate to the rest of us that our sacred institutions are actually wicked and profane.

Every day, I feel the Gotterdaemmerung grow closer.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 04:00 PM (AzW6q)

261 Not just them. The abortionists and eugenicists among Western society are begging - begging - the G-d of the Hebrews to press the "delete" key on our civilization. Valley of Gehenna shit.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 03:46 PM (AzW6q)

The assissted suicide and senicide inflicted on the older gen is also part of that list. Modern progressives devalue life, most especially life they deem not useful to their causes or beneficial to society. The vulnerable people we should be protecting the most. The angels weep and take notes.

Posted by: LizLem at September 13, 2018 04:00 PM (hvf9s)

262 The last pope ?? And then what ?

Posted by: runner at September 13, 2018 04:00 PM (bUjCl)

263
Not being RC and only having been to a couple. Their is something beautiful and special about a Latin Mass.
Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 13, 2018 03:54 PM (Bdeb0)

I was raised RC and was an altar boy for many years. Never attended a Latin mass, but I always loved midnight mass on Christmas. I think it helped that back then it was actually held at midnight.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 13, 2018 04:01 PM (bEdgG)

264 My priests at my parish are not accused of anything. I see no reason to deprive them of resources to pay insurance/AC/Heat/electricyty, etc.
Posted by: Benji Carver at September

so what is your plan? wait until they are accused? keep letting other people's kids get abused?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:01 PM (MTjB1)

265 So it was a lie. Why did he resign? Was it a takeover? Coup?
____________________________________

It was because a police investigation uncovered connections between the Vatican's money and mafia money in Italy.

Benedict took the hit and quit to save the church from humiliation.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 13, 2018 04:01 PM (vbJig)

266 I imagine cleaning up seminaries that are gay enclaves would allow more normal guys who would not otherwise want to be hit on attend the seminaries. But cleaning out all those homosexual bishops priests and seminarians would probably be enormously disruptive. It's like a tumor that has grown so large that cutting it off might kill the patient. Stage 4 pedo.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 13, 2018 04:01 PM (/qEW2)

267 Projection ain't just a river in Democratia

Posted by: Mega at September 13, 2018 04:02 PM (jmYSy)

268 My parish priest held a QA last week on this subject. Would only take Qs by email ahead of time so as to try to keep a lid on the outrage and keep the session under control.

It went completely to hell 30 secs into it. People were shouting at him. Unheard of. I felt bad for him in a way - he seems to be a very good man and priest.

Like I said, I think this time, we (the Laity) will affect some change. Hitting the hierarchy in the pocketbook will hurt.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 13, 2018 04:02 PM (9rIkM)

269 The guy has a case of Old Man Balls.

Posted by: wth at September 13, 2018 04:02 PM (HgMAr)

270 "so what is your plan? wait until they are accused? keep letting other people's kids get abused?
Posted by: yankeefifth"

The plan is not to hurt innocent people and focus on the guilty. Always a good one IMO.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 04:03 PM (OD2ni)

271 Nood Les Moonves

Posted by: Scott-High Plains Deplorable at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (fsLEW)

272 If it included revoking property tax exemptions it would make a gigantic difference.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September

sure, but that was not my suggestion, ever. getting the government involved in solving the rc mess is not necessary and will make things worse. rcc should be able to handle this

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (MTjB1)

273 Is the fact that Tom Cruise considered becoming a priest another piece of circumstantial evidence that he's gay?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (p2jI/)

274 > having a tax exemption will not matter much when the church members quit giving them money.

The Roman Catholic Church owns enough high-value (and tax-exempt) real estate that they could easily weather a severe downtick in the collection plate revenue. We're not just talking churches, either. Apartment buildings. Malls. Skyscrapers.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (TM5Iv)

275 256 All officially atheist countries have been complete and utter failures.

Hmm, it seems to me there are a couple of options other than the RCC and atheism.

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let's see, the muslim hoards who conquered 2/3 of Christiandom were shitholes rife with slavery and jihad and an absence of education.

Japan, after it kicked out and slaughtered the Catholics (see Silence) became an isolated hermit kingdom until it visited Pearl Harbor.

China akkkkshuallly had pre-technological wars with body counts greater than the World Wars.

India is ...

Aztecs and the rest of New World kind of a mixed bag.

Vikings ... yeah.

The Iron Curtain, North Korea, Cuba, Red China, Cambodia, and whereever else you like...shit prison holes.

It's not a contention that there are no places that propped up working governments without Christ, from time to time. But the majority of them are shit.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (yMqYP)

276 It was because a police investigation uncovered connections between the Vatican's money and mafia money in Italy.

Has that connection ever not existed? I'm not being churlish, this is a serious question.

The mafia here in the US is currently a joke, but in Italy it's still very powerful.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (9qZ3S)

277 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (hxucZ)

278 It was because a police investigation uncovered connections between the Vatican's money and mafia money in Italy.

Benedict took the hit and quit to save the church from humiliation.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 13, 2018 04:01 PM (vbJig)

He was lucky...

Posted by: John Paul I at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (bUjCl)

279
The plan is not to hurt innocent people and focus on the guilty. Always a good one IMO.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 13, 2018 04:03 PM (OD2ni)

WTF is wrong with you?

Posted by: Lefty Jackass at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (ymnmz)

280 Who the hell comes up with a term like "The Great Accuser"?

This guy ain't right.

Sin is sin and even a child knows it when he sees it. Is a 10-year-old boy a "Great Accuser"?

Disgrace. The Pope is a disgrace.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (vbJig)

281 Philly archbishop wrote to Pope saying 'you need to cancel your World Youth Day since you don't you know, CARE about them. And TFP comes up with this homily in reply.

Posted by: kakisto at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (4MRvZ)

282 If white racist America could elect a black man as President, then the Catholic church could elect a non-European Pope.

Pope Frankie is the Church's answer to Obama being elected. It shows how out of touch the hierarchy Catholic church is with political affairs. They were played, just like America was played in the 2008 election. Obama, a "clean man" according to Joe Biden, had his background hidden from the voters when the Leftist/Globalist cabal realized they could actually take over the White House without firing a shot. And they did.

Which tells me even more about the power of the Globalists, and how close we came in 2016 to a complete destruction of our Constitutional nation. Only the election of Donald J Trump stopped it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (UsCnO)

283 Every day, I feel the Gotterdaemmerung grow closer.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2018 04:00 PM (AzW6q)

Mmmhmm.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (qUahL)

284 What happens when Pope meets Antipope?

The Apocalypse. They both cancel each other out, with a yuge burst of energy.

Posted by: JAS at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (3HNOQ)

285 >>> you mean when francis looks in a mirror? wonder if he has a reflection. Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 03:54 PM (MTjB1)

The pic on the art thread today, of Dante and Virgil, fits waaay too well with this topic.

It's been a while since I read Dante's Inferno, I can't remember what the hell looks like that Pope Francis and his minions will end up in.

Posted by: LizLem at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (hvf9s)

286 Not being RC and only having been to a couple. Their is something beautiful and special about a Latin Mass.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 13, 2018 03:54 PM (Bdeb0)

Vatican II did a ton of damage to the Church. I blame that for a lot of the current woes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (SiINZ)

287
But cleaning out all those homosexual bishops priests and seminarians would probably be enormously disruptive.

Tough. Then we go down to a smaller but better remnant. Those that are truly devout will stick with what's left.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (BWL+E)

288 "Current Pope: You Know, Accusations About Pedophilia and Cover-Ups Are Really the Work of the "Great Accuser," Satan"

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (fq72/)

289 The plan is not to hurt innocent people and focus on the guilty. Always a good one IMO.
Posted by: Benji Carver at September

so, you should find some way to provide for their needs without giving money that gets passed outside the church.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (MTjB1)

290 Nood. CBS pervs

Posted by: tu3031 at September 13, 2018 04:06 PM (jDF8P)

291 The most acute problem at hand for the Catholic Church is not that the devil is looking for priests and bishops to accuse, but that enough of both are known internally to be guilty and yet remain protected by this silence.

Thisx1000

Blaming satan or the devil for making accusations is evil in and of itself. There is evil afoot in the church. Very real evil. Pray for our church. I am more than disappointed by my pope. I don't know how we can can get rid of him. I hope he repents and repairs his errors or resigns. I do not worship the pope and I hope he has a plan to fix the mess. In my darkest thoughts I do not believe that he has the good of the church at heart. I am loosing hope.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at September 13, 2018 04:06 PM (0OmEj)

292 Funny. Because most Catholics are thinking "Hmmm. Which Protestant Church is least objectionable. Shit. They are all objectionable.
"

Posted by: JAS at September 13, 2018 04:06 PM (3HNOQ)

293 256 All officially atheist countries have been complete and utter failures.

Hmm, it seems to me there are a couple of options other than the RCC and atheism.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2018 03:59 PM (9qZ3S)

Yeah, but how many of us look good with that Hare Krishna haircut?

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at September 13, 2018 04:06 PM (jp0Bv)

294 I am a very lapsed Catholic but my parents and grandparents were sincerely reverant. I'm glad they aren't here to deal with the pedophilia and this cluster fuck of a pope. It would have ripped them apart.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2018 04:07 PM (V+03K)

295 sure, but that was not my suggestion, ever. getting the government involved in solving the rc mess is not necessary and will make things worse. rcc should be able to handle this

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:04 PM (MTjB1)

Frankly, Roman Catholic churches shouldn't get property tax exemptions because they have a nation-state they represent. I would say the same for synagogues. Mosques should lose any property tax exemptions because islam isn't even a religion but a political ideology.

The only churches that should be eligible to receive property tax exemptions should be those that are unattached to any nation and actual religious houses.

Any church harboring illegals should lose all tax exemptions - in addition to being raided and held accountable for the crimes they are abetting.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 13, 2018 04:08 PM (w0IWw)

296
"Current Pope: You Know, Accusations About Pedophilia and Cover-Ups Are Really the Work of the "Great Accuser," Satan"

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at September 13, 2018 04:05 PM (fq72/)

Satan isn't "the Great Accuser" - he's the Great Deceiver, and Francis is His minion.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 13, 2018 04:08 PM (qUahL)

297 I'm not giving up the Eucharist because homosexuals named a commie Pope.

Posted by: dagny at September 13, 2018 04:08 PM (nRWPy)

298 Roman Catholic churches shouldn't get property tax exemptions because they have a nation-state they represent. I would say the same for synagogues. Mosques should lose any property tax exemptions because islam isn't even a religion but a political ideology.

The only churches that should be eligible to receive property tax exemptions should be those that are unattached to any nation and actual religious houses.

Any church harboring illegals should lose all tax exemptions - in addition to being raided and held accountable for the crimes they are abetting.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September

entirely different question. whether I agree or disagee with your points.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:09 PM (MTjB1)

299 280. the etymology of the word 'Satan' derives from the word accuser in either Hebrew or Aramaic, can't recall which.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2018 04:10 PM (4MRvZ)

300 All real religious houses should get property tax exemptions. The atheist left would LOVE to destroy everything but the state.

Posted by: dagny at September 13, 2018 04:10 PM (nRWPy)

301 I'm not giving up the Eucharist because homosexuals named a commie Pope.
Posted by: dagny at September

so that is a tough call.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:10 PM (MTjB1)

302 How can I remain Catholic in times of scandal?-a Nun's response. And it's yes, you should remain RC:

https://tinyurl.com/ydbj6svv

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2018 04:11 PM (AllCR)

303 You accept what you tolerate.

Posted by: Sumdumchief at September 13, 2018 04:11 PM (TZA1c)

304 Pray for the Church.

Posted by: dagny at September 13, 2018 04:12 PM (nRWPy)

305
There have been 266 popes. The Church will outlast this one.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 13, 2018 04:12 PM (BWL+E)

306 Ann Barnhardt is also smart financially, and was a broker for farmers mostly. She was also outraged when Corzine reached across that wall and grabbed $1.6B to cover his leveraged gambling bets ...

That is the financial mafia, and she railed about it and I think quit her brokerage business, seeing the path to financial hell once those mobsters took such control. They really did pull a fast one on us with the TARP bailout and all the high pressure deals forced on the major players.
so here we are ... trying to put them all in prison ... but the coup continues.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2018 04:12 PM (Cus5s)

307 remain Catholic in times of scandal?-a Nun's response. And it's yes, you should remain RC:

https://tinyurl.com/ydbj6svv

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September

strawman. no one is suggesting you leave the rcc, rather that you clean the mess.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:13 PM (MTjB1)

308 There have been 266 popes. The Church will outlast this one.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September

should hope the kids do too.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:14 PM (MTjB1)

309 297. My feelings exactly. This infiltrator does not define our Church. He's leaving his cushy gig feet first.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2018 04:14 PM (4MRvZ)

310 I went to teach RCIA last night, the first night of the new year. I fully expected an empty room and it WAS empty till 6:58. It filled to capacity by 7:15. I was surprised.

While my smart young learned straight priest was there, the "dogs go to heaven" thing came up. He stopped short of snorting and I had to suppress laughing. "This Pope says a lot of things..."

Posted by: dagny at September 13, 2018 04:15 PM (nRWPy)

311 Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:13 PM (MTjB1)

Not a strawmen and not posted in response to you. Some People on this site have suggested that people find another church. Other RC's are not sure what to do , but the main point of the article by a RC nun is for people who are having a hard time but still love their church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2018 04:17 PM (AllCR)

312 Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:13 PM (MTjB1)

P.S. Its would be "They leave the RCC". I'm not RC. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2018 04:18 PM (AllCR)

313 Some People on this site have suggested that people find another church. Other RC's are not sure what to do , but the main point of the article by a RC nun is for people who are having a hard time but still love their church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September

sure, but she does not suggest that there should be any action taken to solve things.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:19 PM (MTjB1)

314 307. y5 there is a move afoot to clean this mess. The situation is akin to what's occurring in our government, white hats v. black hats. The entrenched DC swamp isn't draining overnite and neither is the Vatican bog.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2018 04:20 PM (4MRvZ)

315 While the Pope is busy with this, our very own PDJT just busted up a Cat 5 hurricane, formerly "Florence" but now known as "Little Marco".

Posted by: OCBill at September 13, 2018 04:22 PM (df+Zi)

316 I'm furious with leftist men who stained the Church with their perfidy and homosexual tastes. However, I do think they'll suffer for it in the long run. In the mean time I speak out and teach.

Posted by: dagny at September 13, 2018 04:22 PM (nRWPy)

317 310 yeah this pope says a lot of things like there's no such thing as hell.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2018 04:23 PM (4MRvZ)

318 The problem is that the hierarchy in the RCC has no accountability to the laity. We do not have a voice.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at September 13, 2018 04:24 PM (0OmEj)

319 The problem is that the hierarchy in the RCC has no accountability to the laity. We do not have a voice.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at September 13, 2018 04:24 PM (0OmEj)

Money is speech. It's your vote, as it were. You can elect to continue to contribute, but money is fungible and yeah, you'll be enabling the current status quo. A real dilemma.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 13, 2018 04:27 PM (qUahL)

320 hierarchy in the RCC has no accountability to the laity. We do not have a voice.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable

you should stop giving them money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:27 PM (MTjB1)

321 So people made fun of the VP because he avoids the appearance of evil by never being alone with a person of the opposite sex. Guess now people can see why he does that.

Posted by: Timothy Pruett at September 13, 2018 04:28 PM (YU2sJ)

322 Money is speech. It's your vote, as it were. You can elect to continue to contribute, but money is fungible and yeah, you'll be enabling the current status quo. A real dilemma.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September

yes it is fungible. you give money that goes to support some guy molesting kids the you are supporting the molesting. may as well be buying kiddie porn.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:28 PM (MTjB1)

323 264
My priests at my parish are not accused of anything. I see no reason to
deprive them of resources to pay insurance/AC/Heat/electricyty, etc.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September

so what is your plan? wait until they are accused? keep letting other people's kids get abused?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:01 PM (MTjB1)

Punishing your local parish will only harm it. The question comes down to contributing to the Diocese itself, and to the Pope via the "Peter Pence" colleciton.
The answer to the Peter's Pence collection is easy. NOPE.
Each Parish is "taxed" by their Diocese. Sometimes this is an annual fundraising commitment asked by the Parishioners, other times it may just part of the Parish budget. If it is part of a "Bishop's Appeal" -- you know the answer. Nope. If, as it is in my Parish, the Diocesan "tax" is factored into the Parish' budget which is funded from the collection basket - it is harder to do.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 13, 2018 04:30 PM (jxbfJ)

324 So people made fun of the VP because he avoids the appearance of evil by never being alone with a person of the opposite sex. Guess now people can see why he does that.
Posted by: Timothy Pruett

not the same. pence does it to avoid being accused. rcc needs to do it to stop kids from getting molested.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:30 PM (MTjB1)

325
While my smart young learned straight priest was there, the "dogs go to heaven" thing came up. He stopped short of snorting and I had to suppress laughing. "This Pope says a lot of things..."

Posted by: dagny at September 13, 2018 04:15 PM (nRWPy)
****************
Hey... I'm a Catholic and although dogs don't have souls I would still like to believe that heaven is filled with our faithful companions.

Posted by: redridinghood at September 13, 2018 04:31 PM (hECVl)

326 your local parish will only harm it. The question comes down to contributing to the Diocese itself, and to the Pope via the "Peter Pence" colleciton.
The answer to the Peter's Pence collection is easy. NOPE.
Each Parish is "taxed" by their Diocese. Sometimes this is an annual fundraising commitment asked by the Parishioners, other times it may just part of the Parish budget. If it is part of a "Bishop's Appeal" -- you know the answer. Nope. If, as it is in my Parish, the Diocesan "tax" is factored into the Parish' budget which is funded from the collection basket - it is harder to do.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September

so what would your other options be, options that would quickly stop kids from getting molested?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:31 PM (MTjB1)

327 Yeah, the Great Accuser accuses us before God. But the Pope is conflating Satan "seeking whom he may devour" through temptation and Satan "the accuser of our brothers and sisters" as he rages against the salvation Christ provided for us.

It's God who brings dark deeds to the light so the doers can be revealed.

"For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be known and illuminated."

I would expect a Pope to know use the Scriptures more honestly than this, but then...no, I guess I wouldn't.

Posted by: Cindy at September 13, 2018 04:37 PM (1TxVx)

328 326
your local parish will only harm it. The question comes down to
contributing to the Diocese itself, and to the Pope via the "Peter
Pence" colleciton.

The answer to the Peter's Pence collection is easy. NOPE.

Each Parish is "taxed" by their Diocese. Sometimes this is an annual
fundraising commitment asked by the Parishioners, other times it may
just part of the Parish budget. If it is part of a "Bishop's Appeal" --
you know the answer. Nope. If, as it is in my Parish, the Diocesan "tax"
is factored into the Parish' budget which is funded from the collection
basket - it is harder to do.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September

so what would your other options be, options that would quickly stop kids from getting molested?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 13, 2018 04:31 PM (MTjB1)

Honestly, I think the child molestation issue has been resolved - following the Boston ArchDiocese scandal a few years back, and I'm sure similar controls are in place across all U.S. Dioceses. Why we are still dealing with this is because:
1) Past abuse that occured 10+ years back, where bishops and their staff, as well as cardinals KNEW of abuse and moved the guilty priest around to hide the problem (or take care of a friend). There needs to be an accounting for this, and those found complicity should be defrocked.
2) Homosexuality that is in the seminaries and priesthood. The vow of celibacy the RC priests take goes for both the front hole, back hole, and the oral hole. Unfortunately this behavior appears to be tolerated if not condoned. Again -there needs to be an accounting, and those found complicit held defrocked. Unless there is a doctrinal change -which is another debate for another day.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 13, 2018 04:38 PM (jxbfJ)

329 Ah, moral equivalence. Taking a second or even third slice of lasagna, when one would have sufficed, is just as harmful to your soul as being a pedophile, etc.

Got it.

What fascinates me is that this is actually a very Protestant concept. It is the Protestants, of which I am one, who view a sin as a sin. "All good works amount to not much more than filthy rags," (paraphrasing).

It's the RC's, of which I USED to be one, who categorize and rank sins. Deadly, venal, mortal, etc. They have a pit stop called Purgatory where you go to have your soul serviced, on the way to heaven. You pay for some of those deadly and venal sins, that kind of thing. They still have indulgences, which are the original "carbon offset credit" kind of thinking, only for sins.

To hear the Pope declare, basically, that a Sin is a Sin is to laugh. I wonder if he is smart enough to know just how bad he looks? Does he really believe his own characterization of this?

Amazing.

Posted by: RobM1981 at September 13, 2018 04:42 PM (4WC+3)

330 92 Could we say that the Vatican is trying a "Hail Mary" play ?

Nah, they do that all the time.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 13, 2018 04:51 PM (U0dPQ)

331 My money is not very much of a vote as it is. A poor RC has no vote. My donations are meager at best. Donating to a 2nd collection or the Bishops appeal is not an option. I will stay and pray. That is my option. At least my Priest is aware and acknowledges that the church will survive but will be smaller and more holy. I can not leave the Eucharist.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at September 13, 2018 04:56 PM (0OmEj)

332 as a lapsed catholic whose parents venerate Francis, I can only cry.....

Posted by: crazy old school at September 13, 2018 05:06 PM (ZS3bJ)

333 I think RobM1981 and i are the same....

Posted by: crazy old school at September 13, 2018 05:07 PM (ZS3bJ)

334 320. Not true. They are in fact accountable and we do have a voice. The advisory board to the American bishops laid down the law: You bishops no longer get to investigate claims of abuse, send them to us.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2018 05:53 PM (+fNrM)

335 Honestly, I think the child molestation issue has been resolved - following the Boston ArchDiocese scandal a few years back, and I'm sure similar controls are in place across all U.S. Dioceses.

Philadelphia Archdiocese has protocol in place that has resulted in a big decrease in complaints. Only 3 over the past 6 years, one of which was credible and thus adjudicated. One of the safeguards is that priests are no longer permitted to be alone with children.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2018 06:30 PM (kD8Fh)

336 Aren't there any ambitious Borgias left to poison this clown?

Posted by: FaCubeItches at September 13, 2018 07:00 PM (rznWS)

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