Gun Thread [Weasel]

John Moses Browning

Designed by John M Browning, the M1911 and 1911A1 chambered in .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) served as the country's standard-issue sidearm for 75 years. As with the .38 Special, the need for a larger and more effective defensive cartridge became evident from combat experience gained during action in the Phillipines. Military testing began around 1906 and continued until the Colt - a magazine fed, single action semi-automatic pistol designed by Browning - was formally adopted in 1911. The autoloader design, based on the short recoil principle of operation, has been universally acknowledged for its durability, simplicity and reliability.

Popular bullet weights are 185gr and 230gr, and like all straight walled cartridges, reloading the .45 ACP is fun and generally economical. As a matter of preference I tend to stay away from the upper end of speed and pressure curves, and with this cartridge I look for velocities around 800fps using W231, Bullseye, or a number of other fast burning powders.

1945 Remington Rand 1911A1

Over the years, countless variants of the same basic design have been produced and remain very popular among shooters today. Millions were produced under military contract before being replaced by the Beretta M9 in 1985 in an effort to standardize ammunition among NATO allies. Production included several other notable wartime manufacturers, including Remington Rand, Ithaca Gun Co., Union Switch and Signal, and Singer.

Volumes have been written about the 1911, the quintessential military sidearm and the standard against which all other autoloading pistols are measured. The example pictured above, one of the last produced by Remington Rand in 1945, has been through the arsenal process at least once and remains a fine shooter to this day.

M1911 Handbill

Links:
Essential 1911 Shooting Techniques (instructional video)

Browning Website

1911 Forums: Here and Here

1911 Information

***This Old Gun***

1964 Colt National Match

Based on the same design is this pre-70 series Colt 1911 National Match. Made of premium components and designed for the civilian competition market, the NM designation predates the Colt Gold Cup models marketed later. This pistol shipped to the John Jovino gun shop in New York City in 1964. It is extremely accurate and makes even this shooter look good.

Gun Digest Article: Colt National Match

Mossberg M44

From the collection of Inyo Ranger comes this M44 Mossberg, the Civilian model of an armed forces .22 training rifle. In a great example of a family's firearms being passed through the generations, he writes:

"My sons and I call it "Grandad" since it was given to my Father by his Father in '44. My Father used a similar rifle while taking basic training at the Great Lakes Naval Base in '47. It is the first firearm I ever shot."

Great story and the rifle is in remarkable condition! Congratulations and thanks for sharing, Inyo Ranger!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:35 PM

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Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 02, 2018 07:35 PM (JUOKG)

2 Pew pew pew pew pew!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 07:36 PM (+tv2S)

3 top ten. rare for me.

Posted by: retropox at September 02, 2018 07:36 PM (8h9kC)

4 Pew pew y'all!

Posted by: EC at September 02, 2018 07:37 PM (cdr7G)

5 Been playing around with my Ruger PC Carbine in 9mm. Bought a red dot sight and am trying to get it sighted in. Having some difficulty because even post 5 months shoulder surgery I am still having strength issues on my right side and I am right handed.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 02, 2018 07:37 PM (JUOKG)

6 I had one of those older Colt .45 pistols except mine was the cut down small version. I believe they called it the 'officer's model'. You do not want to buy a newer model Colt now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 07:38 PM (mpXpK)

7 Been playing around with my Ruger PC Carbine in 9mm. Bought a red dot sight and am trying to get it sighted in. Having some difficulty because even post 5 months shoulder surgery I am still having strength issues on my right side and I am right handed.

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Have you considered transitioning over to the atlatl?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 07:39 PM (+tv2S)

8 Brought a link from daily time waster
Drive Any Californian With This
https://tinyurl.com/y8ku9he9

Would go on that 1911

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 07:40 PM (T4oHT)

9 Browning was a gun genius. I don't think any other gun designer had as much influence as he did.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 07:41 PM (mpXpK)

10 I had one of those older Colt .45 pistols except mine was the cut down small version. I believe they called it the 'officer's model'. You do not want to buy a newer model Colt now.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 07:38 PM (mpXpK)

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Agreed. Colt has been pricing and coasting on their name for decades. There is much better value out there.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 07:43 PM (I16G8)

11 Have you considered transitioning over to the atlatl?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 07:39 PM

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Been there, tried that and got the "you suck shooting left handed" T-shirt.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 02, 2018 07:43 PM (JUOKG)

12 My Colt 1911 is from early 1980's , never a issue from it

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 07:45 PM (T4oHT)

13 Weasel, nice!

And I have Remington Rand WWII ..... grips .... for my 1911. It's a Springfield Mil-Spec, so looks a tiny bit different from your beautiful WWII model. Got the grips cheap from Simpson Ltd., I think they're in IL.

Like you I load 45ACP to just reliably cycle the pistol. And I believe 800fps is the mil-spec for the ball ammo load. My standard load is 200g semi-wadcutter (Missouri Bullet), BHN 12 (the softer ones), over 5.4g of HP

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 07:46 PM (QDnY+)

14 I never knew John M. Browning had a five head.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 07:46 PM (QSdIk)

15 This year marks the 100 year anniversary of the 1918 Spanish Influenza, a name spuriously applied because only the Spanish newspapers reported the conditions in Europe accurately.

The only 1911 I have is a US PROPERTY, made during the height of the epidemic in October 1918. Between Sept. and Dec. of 1918, about 700,000 Americans died of the flu, and factories in the US were nearly crippled of production that autumn.

As a microbiologist, my Oct. Spanish Flu Colt 1911, and Colt 1903 .32 made the same month, are iconic.

The flu was the one enemy the 1911 could not slay.

Posted by: retropox at September 02, 2018 07:46 PM (8h9kC)

16 At the gym. Red Pull me on the LGPA event on NBC. When the they get crazy hot tight bodies and who is this leader named Alex?

I may be doing cardio until it ends.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at September 02, 2018 07:47 PM (1vFHw)

17 retropox, that's a very cool perspective on two older guns.

And end of my last comment should have been "HP-38", a smokeless powder that's quite versatile for handgun calibers.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 07:48 PM (QDnY+)

18 One of the better stories about 1911's is the Singer contract. Not many were produced by them, as the government yanked the contract. Why? They were too good. Workmanship was of such a high grade it was reasoned Singer would produce very close tolerance products for the war effort, such as gyro parts. Most, but not all Singers were distributed to other manufacturers for process engineering use. Singer pistols are very rare.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 02, 2018 07:48 PM (xzqr4)

19 This is going to be great. A combination of guys that target shoot with guys that hunt big game.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 07:49 PM (iiA9G)

20 Now a week-long funeral process for St. Browning, I would understand. Just saying.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 07:49 PM (QDnY+)

21 This year marks the 100 year anniversary of the 1918 Spanish Influenza, a name spuriously applied because only the Spanish newspapers reported the conditions in Europe accurately.

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I read a book about the Spanish flu a few years ago. It's author said the flu originated in Kansas. Because it was funneled through an army training base in Kansas to Europe, it was dubbed the Spanish Flu.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 07:49 PM (+tv2S)

22 Guns guns guns guns
Guns guns guns guns
GUUUUNNNNSSSS!!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2018 07:50 PM (NWiLs)

23 bill in AR, did not know that. Very interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 07:50 PM (QDnY+)

24 I've got to go to NJ the week of Sept 10 and will take my Ruger P89 "traveling gun". I don't carry it, just keep it in the in a bag in my car or room. Any advice on doing that in NJ?

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 07:51 PM (UdKB7)

25 The whole industrial story of WWII (in the US) fascinates me. Recently read one book on it, but will seek out all I can find.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

26 I have one 1911A1set up as a bullseye pistol with Bomar sights and a set of mismatched (wood and plastic) target grips by Fitz. Several pre-war and post war Mossbergs, 46B,46M and a lonely B26M single shot. They are all great shooters.

Posted by: JimK at September 02, 2018 07:52 PM (uAlm4)

27 Thanks, Rhomboid.

The strange black finish on the 1918 ‘Black Army’ 1911’s, and their corner-cutting on the milling, and polishing, must have been due in part to the absenteeism during the epidemic.

Posted by: retropox at September 02, 2018 07:53 PM (8h9kC)

28 I shot a 1911 when I was a kid. The Marine that took me shooting, had the target set at 25 yrds. I think I hit the outer edges of the paper four times out of seven shots. Then I took his Colt Python 357 and hit 3 out of six in the ten ring. I was 11 years old. Also shot his Remington 30-06 from the bench and had a 2 inch group at 300 yards.

Posted by: Traveling Man &&&& at September 02, 2018 07:53 PM (qZaw2)

29 freaked - Yes, don't do it

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 07:55 PM (T4oHT)

30 Oh yeah I got to shoot a Sten yesterday. Easily fired with one hand if you needed to. What fun.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 07:56 PM (UdKB7)

31 freaked @ 24 - DO NOT TAKE YOUR FIREARM INTO NJ!!!!!

The fascists there do not recognize other states carry permits. Po-po love to jack up law abiding out-of-staters.

Posted by: Butch at September 02, 2018 07:56 PM (hXu8T)

32 Marina Alex!

WEW!
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Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at September 02, 2018 07:56 PM (1vFHw)

33 Cicero, The origin of the flu to Kansas is a supposition which may be true. It is known the initial cases were repirted there, and shortly thereafter at Fort Devens, MA.

We now know the strain was a pure H1N1 bird flu, and did not require the usual cycling through hogs to gain human to human transmission properties.

This puts a dent in the Kansas hog farm hypothesis.

Posted by: retropox at September 02, 2018 07:57 PM (8h9kC)

34 Longtime lurker here, looking for feedback from others-

Anyone here have any experience doing trigger work on a Marlin 60? Great rifle, but has a trigger pull that is terrible.....

I see there are some aftermarket kits out there, and am considering trying to do this.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at September 02, 2018 07:57 PM (KSXRc)

35 Ah, the Guns of Labor Day.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 07:57 PM (Tyii7)

36 I took my M1911 officer's model to the range today. Still working on breaking my bad habits.

Posted by: Butch at September 02, 2018 07:58 PM (hXu8T)

37 Saint John Moses of Browning PBUH.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2018 08:00 PM (zLDYs)

38 29 Couple of years ago Philadelphia medical professional with a Pa carry permit got caught in NJ. Gov Crispy Cream had to pardon her.
A school teacher had a antique black powder pistol in his glove compartment, in Pa its not even a weapon but in NJ he was jacked up and had to be pardoned.
The Peoples Republic of New Jersey isn't so forgiving now.

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 08:00 PM (T4oHT)

39 Yay, gun thread! Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:00 PM (T+Eka)

40 I have never seen a picture of Saint Browning smiling.

Did the bastard have any teeth?

Russia week. I took my 1943 Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Rifle and 1945 M44 Carbine version, which I like better, to the range this week.

The 91/30 is very accurate, but the finish is rough due to the wartime production. However, I read somewhere that the Russian troops had to keep their bayonets fixed at all times while on the move/attack, so the sight picture is a big bayonet blob when used that way and you have to guess at your aim point. Rugged and dependable if a bit clunky. After a 100 rounds, it will leave a nice red spot on your shoulder. Made in 1943, so it may have killed a Kraut or two, or a deserting Russian peasant.

The M44 Carbine is short, stocky and a bear to shoot, but accurate. The bayonet swings on a hinge like the SKS but to the side. It has a box marking for the 2nd GRAU Arsenal where it was refurbished. Don't know what a GRAU is but they did a nice job! Made in 1945 so probably never saw combat.

Dependable, tough and idiot proof-typical Russian weaponry.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 08:00 PM (EoRCO)

41 There's a John M. Browning firearms museum at Union Station in Ogden Utah. Knew a guy who visited the family cabin in the canyon. There was a hole in the floor over the river for fishing.

Posted by: KT at September 02, 2018 08:01 PM (BVQ+1)

42 I don't think NJ even recognizes USC 18-242. Someone had told me that as long as the firearm and ammunition were in separate locked containers you should be okay if just traveling through. But I wouldn't take any chances.

Posted by: Traveling Man &&&& at September 02, 2018 08:01 PM (qZaw2)

43 38 Forgot 1st case mentioned was a black woman

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 08:01 PM (T4oHT)

44

Anyone tried one of the modular safes like Zanotti or Snapsafe?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 02, 2018 08:02 PM (UFLLM)

45 OT, but I just saw that Ed Driscoll picked up my post from yesterday.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/306389/

Posted by: KT at September 02, 2018 08:02 PM (BVQ+1)

46 If I recall, I shot a Remington Rand in 79. It was kinda sloppy but I hit the target enough times to kill it. The range NCO at Parris Island seemed to be happy.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2018 08:02 PM (zLDYs)

47 The fascists there do not recognize other states carry permits. Po-po love to jack up law abiding out-of-staters.
Posted by: Butch at September 02, 2018 07:56 PM (hXu8T)

Nonsense. They all took oaths to uphold the Constitution.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2018 08:03 PM (NWiLs)

48 Woo Hoo! Gun thread! I bought last week from Tombstone Tactical a new S&W Performance Center model 442, pick it up next Sat (yeah commiefornia)

Posted by: Loco Motion at September 02, 2018 08:03 PM (GZx5h)

49 PRoNJ is trying to limit its own citizens to get carry permits

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 08:04 PM (T4oHT)

50 24
I've got to go to NJ the week of Sept 10 and will take my Ruger P89
"traveling gun". I don't carry it, just keep it in the in a bag in my
car or room. Any advice on doing that in NJ?

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 07:51 PM (UdKB7)

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If there's any concern, I don't know that I would risk it, frankly. I recently had to pass through Maryland and was a nervous wreck even though I knew I was within the law under the Firearms Owner Protection Act. Apparently Maryland will arrest you first and insist that you plead your case before a judge. An affirmative defense, IIRC. Worse, I've read that they have cameras that compare out of state tags to concealed carry records, and they'll target those people on purpose.

Yuck.

From my recent experience I'd just be sure I spent an extra few bucks and stayed in a safe part of town and carry a kid's baseball bat (and glove and baseball, of course) in the car. Assuming that's within the law, of course.

Good luck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:05 PM (oNuis)

51 36 I took my M1911 officer's model to the range today. Still working on breaking my bad habits.
Posted by: Butch at September 02, 2018 07:58 PM (hXu8T)
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Try the instructional video linked above.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:05 PM (V91FG)

52 Even if you don't have a firearm with you in Jersey, they will know if they stop you, that you have a cwp and will harangue you and demand to search your vehicle even if you swear you don't have it with you.

Posted by: Traveling Man &&&& at September 02, 2018 08:07 PM (qZaw2)

53 OT, but I just saw that Ed Driscoll picked up my post from yesterday.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/306389/
Posted by: KT at September 02, 2018 08:02 PM (BVQ+1)

INSTALANCHE!

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 08:07 PM (QSdIk)

54 Someone had told me that as long as the firearm and ammunition were in
separate locked containers you should be okay if just traveling through.

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It is literal in "traveling through" is the problem. Stopping for gas or staying for the night in a hotel and you're no longer covered.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:07 PM (oNuis)

55 I'm pulling the night sites off my VP9 and replacing my them with Trijicon HD XR's. The standard sites just aren't working for me. Not enough contrast.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 08:07 PM (Y/1UV)

56 "But I wouldn't take any chances."

Why? It looks like the law says it can be transported unloaded in the trunk or locked box.

I've got a 14 hour drive even before I get to NJ. I'd rather have it rest of the trip. I don't normally go on any long trip without it.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:07 PM (UdKB7)

57 Congrats KT!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:08 PM (V91FG)

58 OT, but I just saw that Ed Driscoll picked up my post from yesterday.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/306389/
Posted by: KT at September 02, 2018 08:02 PM (BVQ+1)

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Very cool!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 08:08 PM (I16G8)

59 52 Even if you don't have a firearm with you in Jersey, they will know if they stop you, that you have a cwp and will harangue you and demand to search your vehicle even if you swear you don't have it with you.
Posted by: Traveling Man &&&& at September 02, 2018 08:07 PM (qZaw2)

I'm simply not going to stand for this outrageous besmirching of our heroes in blue. Good day sir! I said GOOD DAY!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2018 08:08 PM (NWiLs)

60 Mr. Browning looks like Saint Maverick in that pic, except with rosier cheeks.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 08:08 PM (wy4/l)

61 Any advice on doing that in NJ?
New Jersey will do everything possible to bust you for having a gun in that state. If you go to

https://tinyurl.com/ybr3vtas

You will see all the nitpicking details on what you have to do to carry your firearm in your car under the federal law that forces them to allow it.

Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 08:09 PM (X/BmP)

62 The M44 Carbine is short, stocky and a bear to
shoot, but accurate. The bayonet swings on a hinge like the SKS but to
the side. It has a box marking for the 2nd GRAU Arsenal where it was
refurbished. Don't know what a GRAU is but they did a nice job! Made in
1945 so probably never saw combat.

Dependable, tough and idiot proof-typical Russian weaponry.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 08:00 PM

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I almost got kicked off the range one day when I was shooting my M44 Mosin Carbine. The range master guy came out of the big house and came over to the rifle range and said he thought I was shooting a .50 cal BMG due to the noise and muzzle blast on that thing.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 02, 2018 08:09 PM (JUOKG)

63 **Willowed from an earlier ONT**

https://www.jsonline.com/story/
news/local/2018/08/27/
2-pastors-who-pulled-
over-flat-tire-questioned-guns-drugs/
1067496002/

Enjoy!

BTW: What answer are they expecting?

Posted by: Lurks at September 02, 2018 08:09 PM (j3frD)

64 The other thing I ran into was freedom-loving WV easily turns into Maryland on your GPS route without you knowing it. Same with reciprocally permitted Pennsylvania into Maryland, Jersey, and Delaware. Surprise!

Stay aware of your routes and watch closely for that little dashed line that says you're crossing into another state.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:10 PM (oNuis)

65 Hairyback Guy, have a bunch of 91/30s and an M38, the carbine version without a bayonet. I have a stack (literally) of Soviet and east-bloc surplus ammo in spam cans, so I shoot them without a thought to ammo cost.

Love them. I refinish the shellac finish when it gets too beat up, think I've come pretty close in replicating the Soviet "red" shellac look from the arsenal.

Don't know what "GRAU" is - I should know - but probably an acronym for one of the arsenals. Does the stock have the cartouche of the little box with the diagonal line through it (like a scuba flag)? That's the Ukraine arsenal, where it seems much of the Mosin stockpile was re-arsenaled.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:10 PM (QDnY+)

66 Ok , this is scary. What database do they have that they can pull you over and ask gun related questions?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (iiA9G)

67 Have the Sig 1911, no complaints.

Posted by: Jb at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (iuJw+)

68
I never knew John M. Browning had a five head.
Posted by: Surfperch

He is from Metaluna.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (IqV8l)

69 I generally don't leave home without my pistol, unless my job is in the New England area, NJ or DC area. Then I leave it at home...because, well, I don't need the headache.

Posted by: Traveling Man &&&& at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (qZaw2)

70 'It is literal in "traveling through" is the problem.'

I would keep in a safe in the room during the week and not travel locally with it. I don't know how the law would apply to that.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (UdKB7)

71 My 1911 was from Springfield Armory, 1975, until that dastardly canoe thing.

Now I have a question for gun thread people that's not exactly guns but it is about splodey.

I watch and read pretty much all I can about military history and it's always this side dropped 5 trillion tons of high explosive on that side, or engaged in an artillery barrage lasting mumbledy hours.

I keep thinking about the resource of high explosives. I've looked it up a couple of times and just get chemical formulas.

How do nations produce endless quantities of high explosive? What do you have to dig out of the ground? Is it rare? I don't understand how large scale war works.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (fuK7c)

72 39 Yay, gun thread! Thanks Weasel!
Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:00 PM (T+Eka)
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Thanks for checking in!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:12 PM (V91FG)

73 I was shooting my 45/70 with some ammo from Buffalo Bore and it woke up the whole range. Lol

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 08:12 PM (Y/1UV)

74 I was very busy today without TV. Is he finally underground?:

I'm surprised he's not in the glass case next to Lenin

Posted by: Curious at September 02, 2018 08:13 PM (3iIjx)

75 The other thing I ran into was freedom-loving WV
easily turns into Maryland on your GPS route without you knowing it.
Same with reciprocally permitted Pennsylvania into Maryland, Jersey, and
Delaware. Surprise!

Stay aware of your routes and watch closely for that little dashed line that says you're crossing into another state.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:10 PM

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We had that same sweat filled adventure when we moved from CT to Kentucky a few years back and crossed over into Maryland and NJ. I made sure we filled up way before we left CT and drove straight through both NJ and MD without stopping and obeyed every speed limit sign.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 02, 2018 08:14 PM (JUOKG)

76 Wiki had it - GRAU - Glavnoye Raketno-Artilleriskoye Upravleniye - "Main Rocket-Artillery Directorate". Four or five locations carry the designation, so hard to say where your rifle was worked on.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:14 PM (QDnY+)

77 I almost got kicked off the range one day when I was shooting my M44 Mosin Carbine. The range master guy came out of the big house and came over to the rifle range and said he thought I was shooting a .50 cal BMG due to the noise and muzzle blast on that thing.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 02, 2018 08:09 PM (JUOKG)

Yup......I try to keep an open slot or two between me and other shooters so I won't annoy any adjacent shooters. The muzzle blast alone will curl your nose hair. 7.62 x 54r is loud mother.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 08:14 PM (EoRCO)

78 OK, so the SIG P365 is on order now that they (supposedly) have the bugs worked out. Then, someday when I have some dough, maybe a Fox AE in 20 gauge. Do I have to wear tweed and breeks when I take it out in the field?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 02, 2018 08:15 PM (CeJUf)

79 "But I wouldn't take any chances."

Why? It looks like the law says it can be transported unloaded in the trunk or locked box.

I've got a 14 hour drive even before I get to NJ. I'd rather have it
rest of the trip. I don't normally go on any long trip without it.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:07 PM (UdKB7)

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For the reasons I posted above. The affirmative defense being the main reason, though. You might be okay if you're passing through and not stopping. Maybe. If you're stopping you're not passing through, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:15 PM (oNuis)

80 Just be careful in Jersey and make sure you go by the letter. Separate the gun and ammo. Locked both.

I go to a range there often and depending on who pulls you over, they will bust balls.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 08:16 PM (Y/1UV)

81 Glock's 17 was a bigger advancement in sidearms, but less pretty.

You know I'm right.

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 08:16 PM (1UZdv)

82 I qualified marksman with the M-16.
Nothing special.
I fired expert with the .45.
Then the Beretta came along and I fired expert with each hand. Yes, I'm bragging, but I was that good.
All that said, give me the M1911 any day. A friend who will never let you down.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 08:16 PM (0tfLf)

83 The 1911 gets worn, not used.

Ask John McCain

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 08:17 PM (1UZdv)

84 44 Yes, so that only leaves tomorrow for the pundits, appoligizer and
Historians to make final analysis

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 08:17 PM (T4oHT)

85 "OK, so the SIG P365 is on order now that they (supposedly) have the bugs worked out."

I have a p365 with over 1,500 rounds through it. Date code end of March. Zero issues. Runs like a top.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 08:17 PM (Y/1UV)

86 85, Marcus - good to know, thanks.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 02, 2018 08:19 PM (CeJUf)

87 82. no wonder your daughter has a good eye, it's in her DNA.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 08:20 PM (wy4/l)

88 I swear if I see 1 McCain reference on any channel I hope I don't have anything in my hand to throw at the TV.

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 08:20 PM (T4oHT)

89 >> Anyone tried one of the modular safes like Zanotti or Snapsafe?

Have two Snapsafes; a combo lock and an electronic lock. They're great for putting in closets or upper-floor rooms, seams and joints are tight, fire-resistance ratings are good. Would recommend.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at September 02, 2018 08:21 PM (f0Pv6)

90 Bander, our usual chemists don't seem to be here, but explosives are chemical compounds, the conventional ones don't involve super-high technology or process, nor are the feed-stock materials rare.

As for large scale industrial war, and to tie in to this thread, the reloading industry/hobby partly arose from the fact that after WWII, there were tremendous stockpiles of gunpowder excess to national needs. I believe Hodgdon, one of the premier names in gunpowder for reloaders, literally had its start when the founder bought train-car loads of surplus powder for resale.

And I shoot Soviet surplus ammo (oldest has been from 1946), and many milsurp rifle owners still shoot WWII surplus, though it's finally running out, it seems.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:21 PM (QDnY+)

91 "I go to a range there often and depending on who pulls you over, they will bust balls."

Would I be better off taking a rifle? I've got a Marlin lever action in 35 Remington that I can hang on the gun rack in my truck.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:21 PM (UdKB7)

92 We had that same sweat filled adventure when we moved from CT to
Kentucky a few years back and crossed over into Maryland and NJ. I made
sure we filled up way before we left CT and drove straight through both
NJ and MD without stopping and obeyed every speed limit sign.

As Americans, it's unconscionable that we even have to take this shit into consideration.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:22 PM (Tyii7)

93 Weasel,
Update on my granddaughter. She's back in the San Fran area and just started school. Mums the word on her shooting skills but her mom has reached out to several shooting groups looking for a coach.
Fingers crossed.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 08:22 PM (0tfLf)

94 Don't know what "GRAU" is - I should know - but probably an acronym for one of the arsenals. Does the stock have the cartouche of the little box with the diagonal line through it (like a scuba flag)? That's the Ukraine arsenal, where it seems much of the Mosin stockpile was re-arsenaled.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:10 PM (QDnY+)

Yup!.....Thanks Rhomboid!!!! Both have the square with a diagonal line thru it on the stock.

Now I know. Much appreciated!!!!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 08:22 PM (EoRCO)

95 Have Colt Commander model.

Posted by: OldGrunt at September 02, 2018 08:22 PM (T1HhS)

96 Freaked, you've been warned about NJ. They don't care about the Federal law allowing through travel. They will arrest you and put you through the system.

Posted by: Butch at September 02, 2018 08:23 PM (hXu8T)

97 The other thing to remember is the Firearms Owners Protection Act says it protects you for your traveling through (notice how that type of phrasing keeps coming up)

https://www.njsp.org/ firearms/transport-firearm.shtml

but you still have to obey all the state and local laws to be in compliance. I don't know if anywhere in Jersey says something similar, but I believe Maryland views a loaded magazine as a loaded gun, even if the gun is locked away in a separate container.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:23 PM (oNuis)

98 Now you're just fucking with us, freaked.

Posted by: Butch at September 02, 2018 08:24 PM (hXu8T)

99 Hairyback if you ever get the chance at an outdoor range, shoot the M44 towards dusk. Tremendous fireball.

And I use a recoil pad on my Mosins - no need for the bruising from that steel butt-plate (which is there to crush skulls, so ..... yeah, it'll bruise you). Plenty of bruises from hockey and f**ing up and hitting stuff while doing yard work, etc.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:24 PM (QDnY+)

100 45 ACP is one caliber I still don't own. Sad!

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:24 PM (T+Eka)

101 I've participated in rifle matches a couple of times in NJ, and was never really comfy with the whole idea of being there. If stopped, I was expecting a major hassle, even though there are exceptions (to the hollow point rule) for competition.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:24 PM (V91FG)

102 As Americans, it's unconscionable that we even have to take this shit into consideration.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:22 PM (Tyii7)

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Good thing my gay marriage license from California has to be recognized in South Carolina.

Shame we don't have a majority Republican House, majority Republican Senate, and Republican president willing to sign almost any conservative, pro-freedom bill.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:25 PM (oNuis)

103 I hear you Butch and that's why I asked. Just kidding about the rifle though.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:25 PM (UdKB7)

104 Freaked, I kinda figured you were kidding about the rifle rack.

Posted by: Butch at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (hXu8T)

105 Hairyback, a bit of confusion on the arsenal markings.

The little scuba flag-like cartouche is, I'm pretty sure, the Ukrainian arsenal (from Soviet times).

The GRAU locations currently listed in Wiki are in the Moscow area, and the Volga-Urals district.

Could be there were GRAU arsenals (it was a Min. of Defense technical department) all over, including Ukraine.

Is "GRAU" stamped on the receiver?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (QDnY+)

106 ...Longtime lurker here, looking for feedback from others-

Anyone here have any experience doing trigger work on a Marlin 60? Great rifle, but has a trigger pull that is terrible.....

I see there are some aftermarket kits out there, and am considering trying to do this.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at September 02, 2018 07:57 PM (KSXRc)

Neon. Read this. Bigly important and absolutely material to your inquiry.

http://toolsofrenewal.com/?p=11543

Short version. Retire the Marlin, and don't spend another cent on the thing.

I had an early 1970s version of one, sold under the Montgomery Ward label "Glenfield". That's back when Marlin made some quality items. But I remember also, that the Glenfield was a piece of crap compared to my Remington 572 pump .22, or my friend's Remington 522 Speedmaster, semi-auto.

You've got so very many great .22 semi choices out there today. The 10/22 is out of patent, so there's a number of clones out there that improve on the breed. ANY thing by CZ is absolutely TOP NOTCH.

And dollar for dollar, pound for pound, you won't beat the value of a Savage, as long as it's a model with the Accu-Trigger.

The Marlin? Use it till it dies, then break it down, sell it for parts at a gun show.

That would be it's highest and best use.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (QzJWU)

107 93 Weasel,
Update on my granddaughter. She's back in the San Fran area and just started school. Mums the word on her shooting skills but her mom has reached out to several shooting groups looking for a coach.
Fingers crossed.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 08:22 PM (0tfLf)
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Great! Don't forget about Ben Avery north of Phoenix. They have a good match program and it's a great place to shoot!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (XOwrb)

108 Thanks, rhomboid!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (fuK7c)

109 Spent part of my childhood in Maryland, before it went commie. Glad we escaped.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (Tyii7)

110 Besides I'm not driving my truck just a plain white company car.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (UdKB7)

111 110 Besides I'm not driving my truck just a plain white company car.
Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (UdKB7)

Then they'll seize the gun, the car and the company.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2018 08:28 PM (NWiLs)

112 Yes a concealed carry license recognized across all 50 states is the unicorn we are chasing. God willing if the GOP can ever find its balls.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:29 PM (T+Eka)

113 Moron Robbie, you never said anything here.

The Horde would have surely sent you rainbow rifle stocks and personal grooming products, if we'd known about the nuptials.

Does your husband shoot?

(um, gigantic "/"!!!!)

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:29 PM (QDnY+)

114 For me, what I learned is that if I'm ever going to drive up again from the deep South and spend any time seeing Gettysburg, civil war sites, museums, etc. around Hershey and Philadelphia, I won't be armed next time. Way too much of a PITA. It's best for me to just stay gassed up, spend 25% more on nicer hotels, and not stay/stop in any sh*thole areas where I don't feel comfortable.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:30 PM (oNuis)

115 Posted by: The Neon Madman at September 02, 2018 07:57 PM (KSXRc)
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If you take Jim's advice, Timney in AZ makes a nice drop in trigger for the savage.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:30 PM (XOwrb)

116 Great! Don't forget about Ben Avery north of Phoenix. They have a good match program and it's a great place to shoot!
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM

*****

I'll pass that along. The other grandparent lives in Phoenix do there's a good connection already.
That said, the coach at my club here in Tacoma was asking me about her the other day.
Sigh....
I wish she'd come live with me for a year.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 08:30 PM (0tfLf)

117 Yes a concealed carry license recognized across all 50 states is the unicorn we are chasing. God willing if the GOP can ever find its balls.
Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:29 PM (T+Eka)

Supposedly such bills proposing Concealed Carry Reciprocity have gotten bipartisan support in the house.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 08:31 PM (QSdIk)

118
I keep thinking about the resource of high explosives. I've looked it up a couple of times and just get chemical formulas.

How do nations produce endless quantities of high explosive? What
do you have to dig out of the ground? Is it rare? I don't understand
how large scale war works.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM

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Conventional
explosives are organics. You can make that stuff from cotton and other
common stuff if you have a good industrial base.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 02, 2018 08:31 PM (JUOKG)

119 Horde, compare and contrast:

Black family driving through certain states in the early 1960s

Gun-owners driving through certain states in the 2000s

Is this an outrageous, distorted analogy?

Or are the parallels, while not perfect, good enough for guvamint civil rights work?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:32 PM (QDnY+)

120 Is "GRAU" stamped on the receiver?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:27 PM (QDnY+)

No, just a box with a "x" in it over the 1945r on the receiver.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 08:32 PM (EoRCO)

121 +1 on the accutrigger Savage.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:33 PM (oNuis)

122 ...and I still miss my Series 70.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:34 PM (Tyii7)

123 Not to mention I never felt unsafe anywhere in rural Pennsylvania. Salt of the earth folks up there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:35 PM (oNuis)

124 Well off to spend night caring for 85 yr old mother. Goodnight morons and 'ettes.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:35 PM (T+Eka)

125 Rhomboid,
Great analogy.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 08:35 PM (0tfLf)

126 Diogenes @ 82- Good shooting there. I qualified expert with the M9 at Little Creek. First time I ever held one in my hand, too. Just bought my first-ever Model 92, a Compact L. Not shot it yet but kinda like it.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2018 08:35 PM (zLDYs)

127 Hairback, thanks. I used to geek out a bit on Mosin markings (historical interest and Russian language background), but as with many things a bit foggy on some details now. Box-with-stripe stamp on the receiver does not sound familiar - usually it's a cartouche back on the stock.

BTW, that little "r" is actually the cyrillic "g" - Russian word for year is "goad", style for writing a date is year+"r". Sort of redundant, but the way they do it.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:36 PM (QDnY+)

128 Just found this about NJ gun laws:

"Another new law, A2761, expands an existing restriction on ammunition magazines, lowering the capacity from 15 rounds to 10 rounds."

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:37 PM (UdKB7)

129 Any advice on doing that in NJ?

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 07:51 PM (UdKB7)

Don't do it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 08:37 PM (wYseH)

130 I've got a helluva good, exhaustive reference book on all things Mosin-Nagant.

I'll try n' remember to bring it to the Mo Meet.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 08:37 PM (QzJWU)

131 my First! rifle was a Glenfield 22...

still have it. same time frame as Jim's.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 08:37 PM (KrTmg)

132 Yes a concealed carry license recognized across all 50 states is the unicorn we are chasing. God willing if the GOP can ever find its balls.
Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:29 PM (T+Eka)

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I'm good with a law that forces 50 individual reciprocity. What I do not want to see is one new Federal law that replaces those of the state laws. One vote down the line could then wipe out our rights.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 08:38 PM (I16G8)

133 Just found this about NJ gun laws:

"Another new law, A2761, expands an existing restriction on ammunition magazines, lowering the capacity from 15 rounds to 10 rounds."
Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:37 PM (UdKB7)

Before you know it, they'll lower it to 2 rounds.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (QSdIk)

134 Ok , this is scary. What database do they have that they can pull you over and ask gun related questions?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (iiA9G)

In Ohio, it's called LEADS (Law Enforcement Automated Data System). Run a check on the license plate and a flag will indicate if the registed owner has a CCW permit. How the officer acts on that information is up to that officer and that agency's policies.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (5Yee7)

135 Haven't done much reloading over the last year or two. Or much shooting, for that matter.

Last time I worked the Lyman press, I was playing with the 45ACP geezer loads off of this doc at Berrys. The Hodgdon's Clays powder hadn't been available for a LONG time, I guess it was about a year ago that it started hitting the market again. I just remember going about 18 months of trying to find a pound or so without breaking my wallet.

They're fun, light recoiling loads by the way. Except that they're not real reliable in my Rock Island (which is frankly kind of a problem child, so I don't blame the ammo).

https://www.berrysmfg.com/pub/files/
GeezerLoadMarkwell.pdf

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (eXA4G)

136 Supposedly such bills proposing Concealed Carry Reciprocity have gotten bipartisan support in the house.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 08:31 PM (QSdIk)

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true, but certain principled conservatives will not let them move forward...

bastards.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (KrTmg)

137 Jim, for those of us not able to make the TX Mo-Mee (sad!), what's the title of that Mosin book?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (QDnY+)

138 watching Boondock Saints
Norman Reedus looks so young

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at September 02, 2018 08:40 PM (CE6iV)

139 I've got a helluva good, exhaustive reference book on all things Mosin-Nagant.

I'll try n' remember to bring it to the Mo Meet.

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don't forget the crayons!

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 08:40 PM (KrTmg)

140 I've fired my share of 1911s but the current mode is a Springfield XD in 45. It has been more accurate for me than any of the Colts. However, I shoot more 45acp through my Blackhawk these days.

I've used various powders reloading 45acp but haven't found anything better than Bullseye. According to the loading manuals, my charge produces about 850 fps.

Thanks to Weasel for this week's gun thread.

Posted by: JTB at September 02, 2018 08:40 PM (V+03K)

141 Margins blown. Looking at you IllTemperedCur.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 08:41 PM (T+Eka)

142

For pete's sake haven't we had enough of mccain!

oh wait, that's not john mccain.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 02, 2018 08:41 PM (n4u2O)

143 Before you know it, they'll lower it to 2 rounds.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (QSdIk)

Don't laugh.

One of the bills submitted to the legislature was a five-round limit.

That would make illegal most revolvers!

The current law is being fought rather aggressively.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 08:41 PM (wYseH)

144 ...Jim, for those of us not able to make the TX Mo-Mee (sad!), what's the title of that Mosin book?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (QDnY+)

I'll try n' find it by 10 pm CST, and post that info, in tonight's ONT.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 08:42 PM (QzJWU)

145 ITC, you'll be happy to hear that reloading components are now back to "normal" in terms of availability and price.

I actually weathered both panics (2008 and 2011?) OK, as I had the factory ammo I needed and plenty of components. Though I did buy some different powders than I might have, out of necessity/curiosity, which ended up being a good thing. Just got to taste/experiment a bit more than I might have.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:42 PM (QDnY+)

146 "Don't do it."

Dang yall are really convincing me. That's f'd up that I can't travel thru several other state to get there no problem and them have to worry about NJ's f'd up laws. There is no f'n way I would ever go there if I didn't have to for this f'n class.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:42 PM (UdKB7)

147 BTW, that little "r" is actually the cyrillic "g" - Russian word for year is "goad", style for writing a date is year+"r". Sort of redundant, but the way they do it.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:36 PM (QDnY+)

Cool! The Russians sure liked stamping everything. Makes the Brits look like amateurs.

I have a 1943 Lee-Enfield with a star stamped on the receiver. I thought Wow! must be a mark for accuracy or some such.

Nope. The star stamp meant they had found rust on the barrel at some point and someone got gigged for it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 08:43 PM (EoRCO)

148 Jim - outstanding!

But note - no need to get it quick, any time, any ONT, will do.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:43 PM (QDnY+)

149 In addition in New Jersey remember the following:
"Excuse me officer are you stating that under color of New Jersey state law that you are depriving me of my right to keep and bear arms?" If he answers "Yes" look to see if he is armed. If he is, state that you are placing him under arrest for committing a federal felony in violation of 18 U.S. Code 242.

Then say: "You have a right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney, and to have one present during questioning. If you can't afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to you by the courts. Do you understand these rights as I have listed them to you? Do not resist arrest - that is a separate offense. For your safety I am going to hand cuff you with your own hand cuffs." Then explain that you are going to take him to the nearest magistrate for arraignment. After you have looked up the address of the nearest magistrate on your phone get in your car and, using a periscope to see over your gigantic brass balls, drive him to the magistrate for arraignment.

Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 08:43 PM (X/BmP)

150
ITC, you'll be happy to hear that reloading components are now back to "normal" in terms of availability and price.

I actually weathered both panics (2008 and 2011?) OK, as I had the factory ammo I needed and plenty of components. Though I did buy some different powders than I might have, out of necessity/curiosity, which ended up being a good thing. Just got to taste/experiment a bit more than I might have.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:42 PM (QDnY+)

Yeah, that drought was almost as bad as the 22lr drought.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 02, 2018 08:44 PM (eXA4G)

151 From Conservative Treehouse regarding Maryland:

https://tinyurl.com/y8qq3fm7

"The database is directly connected to another Maryland technological
system. ALPR (Automatic License Plate Reader) system is a tracking
system synergized with the MCAC Hub.

All license plates travelling through ALPR assignments are
recorded. The system is set up to allow flags to automatically notify
local LEO. Every time one of the flagged license plates are detected
by the ALPR an alert is generated."

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Read that last paragraph again. The article says some are stationary to let you drive by them, and others are on patrol cars to let them drive by you. I'd imagine tens of thousands of cars are routinely passed by one patrol car every day.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:44 PM (oNuis)

152 Don't laugh.

One of the bills submitted to the legislature was a five-round limit.

That would make illegal most revolvers!

The current law is being fought rather aggressively.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 08:41 PM (wYseH)

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I'm sure that disallowing a lot of revolvers is a feature and not a bug for them.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (I16G8)

153 In Ohio, it's called LEADS (Law Enforcement Automated Data System). Run a
check on the license plate and a flag will indicate if the registed
owner has a CCW permit. How the officer acts on that information is up
to that officer and that agency's policies.
Not that I get pulled over every day but I've found that just volunteering the info right away puts everyone at ease. The LEO knows I have a permit, so I tell him I'm carrying (which is 99% of the time) and where my sidearm is holstered. In every case but one, the cop told me he appreciated the information.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (Tyii7)

154 "Posted by: An Observation"

Hey wanna ride to NJ with me? I'll come pick you up.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (UdKB7)

155 Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:42 PM (UdKB7)

I live in NJ, and know the law pretty well.

It is insane.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (wYseH)

156 For Rhomboid, who wrote earlier about the specific signatories to the Japanese WWII surrender paper this very day, Sept 2.

Percival signed for the Brits, as cover for his ingnominious response to the Japanese invasion of Malaysia and his quick surrender of Singapore.

Percival was always a Cunt (as the term is used in Game of Thrones and by my dead Da -- for a feckless man) and responsible for many atrocities during the War of Irish Independence, especially so in County Cork.

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 08:46 PM (1UZdv)

157 And to follow up on Jim's comment, you really can't go wrong with a Savage with an accu-trigger. Very accurate, right out of the box. Look at the Model 10 and 12. One of my match guns started life as a 12 I think. All that is left is the receiver, and it's had a bunch of work done to it - but bone stock they're great rifles.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:46 PM (XOwrb)

158 (111) And your little dog, too.

Posted by: Burger Chef at September 02, 2018 08:46 PM (RuIsu)

159 I'm gonna choke Minx 0.7 alpha to death right through my screen. Grrr.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:46 PM (Tyii7)

160 The LEO knows I have a permit, so I tell him I'm
carrying (which is 99% of the time) and where my sidearm is holstered.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (Tyii7)

What you are doing is smart, but it makes me want to puke that a free people have to kowtow to a government thug.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 08:47 PM (wYseH)

161 Cody Wilson, inventor of the Ghost Gun, on the First and Second Amendments via @ricochet
https://bit.ly/2wLvPDl

Posted by: Tom at September 02, 2018 08:49 PM (kO+z3)

162 I've used various powders reloading 45acp but haven't found anything better than Bullseye. According to the loading manuals, my charge produces about 850 fps.

Thanks to Weasel for this week's gun thread.
Posted by: JTB at September 02, 2018 08:40 PM (V+03K)

Back when I did a lot of reloading, I used either Bullseye or Hercules Unique (I believe it's made by Alliant now) for pistol cartridges. I tended to use Bullseye for lower recoile "target" loads.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 02, 2018 08:49 PM (5Yee7)

163 The Tx MoMe has just added another state to our roster. We now have 8 states plus Texas that are coming for the Gunz/Food.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 08:49 PM (iiA9G)

164 Since we're past 163, I can't tell if LSU is better than Miami or Miami is as bad as LSU.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:50 PM (oNuis)

165 Ignoramus - hate to do this, but ...... BUZZER SOUND.

Wrong!

Percival and Wainwright, at MacArthur's behest, stood close behind him as he signed as Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers.

Signing for the UK was Adm. Sir Bruce Fraser.

Just happened to have the .mil history chapter on that open in another window right now - has a photo of the signature page.

I'm not contesting your description of Percival's performance at Singapore. Apples, organges, and mangoes in some ways - but imagine Singapore holding out like Stalingrad, or even half as fanatically, with all the men and resources they had - might have introduced a wildly different vibe to the first 6 months of the Pacific War, which otherwise was one constant roll call of Japanese triumphs and Allied defeats.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:51 PM (QDnY+)

166 The LEO knows I have a permit, so I tell him I'm
carrying (which is 99% of the time) and where my sidearm is holstered.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (Tyii7)

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I have had the occasion to do this twice here in GA. I turned the car off, put the keys on the dash and my hands on the steering wheel. Each time I asked them how they would like to proceed.

They appreciated it, and both times no ticket.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 08:51 PM (I16G8)

167 Or vice versa. LSU's defense is always kind of a given, but I honestly have no idea what to think of both teams this season.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 08:52 PM (oNuis)

168 What you are doing is smart, but it makes me want to puke that a free people have to kowtow to a government thug.

Agreed. Ideally, the fact that I am carrying shouldn't even come up when my plates are run. It's my business, not theirs.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:53 PM (Tyii7)

169 The focus on the Kavanaugh SCOTUS nomination has been on Roe and how he'd rule on a hypothetical subpoena to Trump.

What hasn't come up is his past 2A positions. If I read it right he'd expand Heller to cover AR-15s (as Scalia would) and even more.

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 08:54 PM (1UZdv)

170 Hey JTB -
Thanks for stopping by!
I thiiiiink the .45ACP velocity for ball ammo was about 835fps. I try not to get anywhere near that with the Colt. When manufactured they lightened the slide by removing a bunch of metal inside and apparently it's possible to crack the slides with too hot a load. For that gun I think I'm loading around 750fps with W231.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:55 PM (XOwrb)

171 Ben Had @ 163, will we have enough states for a Constitutional Convention in October?

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2018 08:55 PM (zLDYs)

172 They appreciated it, and both times no ticket.

Yeah, I got out of one, as well. Don't know if that had anything to do with it but it might have.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:55 PM (Tyii7)

173 I don't know if it's true for Bullseye and 45ACP, but for other famous calibers widely used in WWII, such as 30-06 for the M1, and 30 carbine for the M1 carbine, the powders used are now among those commercially available.

H4895 for 30-06, and H110 for the carbine loads. I think what is now called Bullseye was in fact the powder used for mil-spec ball ammo in WWII.

There of course is a fundamental difference between today's reloader powder and that produced/used in bulk by govt. arsenals during the war, but the basic formula is the same, I think.

Another cool historical tie-in for gun nutz with a history problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:55 PM (QDnY+)

174 Bandersnatch - regarding explosives manufacturing, go to the web page below and then go to some of the sub-pages linked in the frame on the right. Gives some info about the mining and chemical production aspects of explosives production.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yag5yssj

Posted by: Gref at September 02, 2018 08:56 PM (AMIL/)

175 128 Just found this about NJ gun laws:

"Another new law, A2761, expands an existing restriction on ammunition magazines, lowering the capacity from 15 rounds to 10 rounds."
Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 08:37 PM (UdKB7)

And increased the chocolate ration from 30 grams to 20.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2018 08:56 PM (NWiLs)

176 Man, the Tx MoMe sounds like it's gonna be a winner. Sigh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:57 PM (Tyii7)

177 Not that I get pulled over every day but I've found that just volunteering the info right away puts everyone at ease. The LEO knows I have a permit, so I tell him I'm carrying (which is 99% of the time) and where my sidearm is holstered. In every case but one, the cop told me he appreciated the information.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (Tyii7)

The best practice if stopped for a traffic violation is to have both hands in plain view and then tell the officer if you are armed and where the firearm is located.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 02, 2018 08:57 PM (5Yee7)

178 Eromero. things keep progressing, we just might. I know we will damn sure have a lot of Constitution supporters

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 08:58 PM (iiA9G)

179 24
I've got to go to NJ the week of Sept 10 and will take my Ruger P89
"traveling gun". I don't carry it, just keep it in the in a bag in my
car or room. Any advice on doing that in NJ?

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 07:51 PM (UdKB7)

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You'd be in more legal jeopardy being caught by the authorities with that firearm in your possession than any other danger. Unless you're planning to walk around the streets of Camden or Newark in the evenings. Then all bets are off.

Posted by: BluesFish at September 02, 2018 08:58 PM (Q811F)

180 Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:55 PM (QDnY+)
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one of the things I plan to do at the farm is conduct my own temperature sensitivity tests with H4895 in .30-06.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:58 PM (XOwrb)

181 Ignoramus - I thought one of the key findings of Heller was the "guns in common use" standard, by which ARs would be completely protected (being the long arm most in common use). So that it would not have to be expanded to include that.

Which is why I thought the 4th Circuit's holding in the MD gun law case was open rebellion against SCOTUS, as it specifically ignored/repudiated that standard.

Edumucate me, could have all of this wrong.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 08:58 PM (QDnY+)

182 Almost pulled he trigger on an RPR in 6.5 creedmore. You can't really beat it for the price.

Anybody have one?

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 08:58 PM (Y/1UV)

183 don't even need NJ for the beaches since I discovered DE beaches. If I really miss Cape May I'll just take the ferry from Lewes. Won't drive there for the maters either, not since they got a gov. who wants to make Cali look right wing.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 08:59 PM (jmIQu)

184
Del Taco > Taco Bell
Posted by: Cicero

Baker's > Del Taco > Taco Bell.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 02, 2018 08:59 PM (c07y/)

185 Before you know it, they'll lower it to 2 rounds.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 08:39 PM (QSdIk)

Don't laugh.

One of the bills submitted to the legislature was a five-round limit.

That would make illegal most revolvers!

The current law is being fought rather aggressively.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 08:41 PM (wYseH)

I'm not laughing. In the UK semi-auto shotguns are already restricted to only two rounds. It's only a matter of time before lawmakers bring it here.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 09:00 PM (QSdIk)

186 92---As Americans, it's unconscionable that we even have to take this shit into consideration.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:22 PM (Tyii7)
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It makes me very angry.

I have 2 daughters. The older one in particular likes to visit friends and she often drives alone to and through unfree states.

Yes, I know (and she knows) that a gun is not a magic wand, especially if you act the fool, but it is a layer of protection that she has a RIGHT to have.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 09:01 PM (0jtPF)

187 You'd be in more legal jeopardy being caught by the authorities with that firearm in your possession than any other danger.

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Well said. That's what I've been trying to come up. Thanks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 09:01 PM (oNuis)

188 I looked.

Saint Browning never smiled. Ever. Even a picture I found of him as a young man, he had that grimace on his face and he was going bald at a young age.

He always looked like his nuts were in a vice.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 09:02 PM (EoRCO)

189 The best practice if stopped for a traffic violation is to have both hands in plain view and then tell the officer if you are armed and where the firearm is located.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 02, 2018 08:57 PM (5Yee7)

In Florida it's not required to disclose that you're legal carrying a concealed firearm during a traffic stop, so I don't do it on those rare events I get pulled over. Unless he tells me to get out of the car, we're both better off with him not knowing.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2018 09:02 PM (NWiLs)

190
I'm not laughing. In the UK semi-auto shotguns are already restricted to only two rounds. It's only a matter of time before lawmakers bring it here.
Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 09:00 PM (QSdIk)
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I shoot with a lot of guys from the UK and you wouldn't believe the nonsense they go through to reload for their match guns.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:02 PM (XOwrb)

191 it is a layer of protection that she has a RIGHT to have

And that, my friend, sums it right up. Bingo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 09:02 PM (Tyii7)

192 They tried 7 rounds in NY. Didn't work. 5 rounds would be worse.

Frankly I hope they keep over reaching. When you start talking about "in common use" it covers every gun they are trying to outlaw. Trying to limit ammo is a de facto ban and also against the community n use standard.

One ruling from SCOTUS and all that ban crap will be gone.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 09:03 PM (Y/1UV)

193 Developed the habit of two hands visible on wheel, ID held up in one and easily visible, as I approach a check-point (this was during govt.-sponsored overseas tourism), still do it when I approach the sentry station at one military post I regularly enter (and the Border Patrol checkpoint I pass through to/from my outdoor range).

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:04 PM (QDnY+)

194 not many more useful things than a good .22 rifle.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 02, 2018 09:04 PM (MTjB1)

195 Concealed Carry reciprocity:
Article IV Section 1 of the Constitution: Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state.

This is what forces Texas to recognize a New Jersey gay marriage license, it also forces New Jersey to recognize a Texas Concealed Carry license.

Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 09:04 PM (X/BmP)

196 That license plate system? Pervasive.

A friend from back when I lived in San Antonio had sent off to the State of Texas for the CHL package, as that was how it was done when CHL first rolled out here in the mid '90s.

He went to the class and qualified, but never did send the completed package and fee back to the State for her license.

Late last year, he drove to Galveston to vacation, and made a visit to Casa de Sunko, as well. En route, he busted a stop sign, and got pulled over by the Galveston P.D.

They didn't make it a felony take-down, but they did approach his truck guardedly, with hands ON their sidearms, and asked him pointedly about his permit, if he was armed, if there was a gun in his truck, and were NOT nice about it.

He did have a legally owned and carried gun in the console, per Texas law. And, he followed ALL the right advice about "how not to get yo' ass kicked by the Po Leesse", and actually was let go with but a warning.

Cops told him his plate spit out that he was a CHL holder.

Remember, he'd never completed the cycle to GET the damned permit. Just having sent off for that package over twenty years ago, was enough to trip the trigger. (how's THAT for a gub thread metaphore!)

Yeah, we're all on a list. ESCPECIALLY all of us here at Ace.

Oh, HI BOB AT NSA, too!

Jim
Sunk New dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 09:04 PM (QzJWU)

197 I have RPR but in .308 not 6.5 creedmore.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:04 PM (9KUXB)

198 I am going to send a 1911 purchase package to CMP, if I can find a local gun shop that will do the FFL stuff for it. I wasn't going to do it based on the CMP's prices and corresponding material condition descriptions, but what the hell, I expect I can sell what I get (if my lucky number comes up)! without losing money.

Posted by: Gref at September 02, 2018 09:05 PM (AMIL/)

199 188 You'd scowl too if SOMEone, SOMEwhere, was always fucking up your brainchildren...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 02, 2018 09:05 PM (/JA4t)

200 Weasel, I think the UK Olympic shooting teams have to go to France to practice - or something absurd like that. Quite believable.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:05 PM (QDnY+)

201 @Rhomboid

Appreciate the correction. Percival was still included as cover for his surrender of Singapore.

I'm still in the middle of The Jungle Is Neutral. Up in the jungle hills of Malaysia, Chapman is surprised at how quickly Singapore fell.

I suspect that Percival's Cork atrocities is why the Brits sent him to Far Side of the World to an inconsequential station to be rid of him for all time

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 09:05 PM (1UZdv)

202 191
it is a layer of protection that she has a RIGHT to have

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No, you're thinking about abortion. You know, the sacred, noble thing that requires us to tolerate the 99% of recreation-based murders of babies because 1% involve rape and/or incest.

While less than 1% of firearms are involved in crimes (much less murders), and the other 99% must be completely banned to prevent it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 09:06 PM (oNuis)

203 162 ... "Back when I did a lot of reloading, I used either Bullseye or Hercules Unique (I believe it's made by Alliant now) for pistol cartridges. I tended to use Bullseye for lower recoile "target" loads."

RBC, If I had to go with just one powder (I shudder at the thought) it would be Unique. Within limits it can be used in almost any cartridge. Not good for high power rifle or full house magnum handgun loads but with cast bullets and moderate velocity it will keep you shooting.

One of the reasons I prefer revolvers, bolt action rifles and single shots is the latitude they allow with ammo and reloads.

Posted by: JTB at September 02, 2018 09:06 PM (V+03K)

204 'You'd be in more legal jeopardy being caught by the authorities with that firearm in your possession than any other danger. '

Probably. I've never actually needed it but have at times felt better having it. In any case I don't like having my 2A rights effectively denied out of fear of the government.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 09:06 PM (UdKB7)

205 F'n New Jeresey's become a commie fiefdom.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 09:08 PM (Tyii7)

206 "I have RPR but in .308 not 6.5 creedmore."

Yeah I'm mostly I'm .308. I figured at that price it would be a good entry into 6.5 to see if I like it.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 09:08 PM (Y/1UV)

207 200 Weasel, I think the UK Olympic shooting teams have to go to France to practice - or something absurd like that. Quite believable.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:05 PM (QDnY+)
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Yep. Last summer in Ottawa something like 15 or 20 countries were represented. Listening to them compare notes was pathetic.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:08 PM (XOwrb)

208 An Observation, why is it that that constitutional provision hasn't sufficed to force states to recognize firearm-related state documentation? Seems it would require a particularly twisted, illogical, and dishonest bit of "reasoning" to come to any other outcome.

Oh - right!

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:08 PM (QDnY+)

209 jersey...I give up.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 09:08 PM (Tyii7)

210 Jim just made that simple. Out of State license, gun permit check, Got Ya.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 09:09 PM (iiA9G)

211 Weasel, I think the UK Olympic shooting teams have to go to France to practice - or something absurd like that. Quite believable.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:05 PM (QDnY+)

Handguns (unless they have an overall length of either 2 or 3 feet) are illegal in the mainland UK, which led to some 'difficulties' with the 2012 Olympics.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 09:09 PM (QSdIk)

212 Woo gun thread!
And I'm actually here for once.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:10 PM (xJa6I)

213 My father purchased a surplus 1911 in 1960 or '61, if my memory serves me. Took delivery from Anniston Army Depot. Purchase price was $14.75 plus 2.85 packing and handling. $17 bucks even.

Marked US PROPERTY and has two "A" stamps on the left side of the frame so assume it had been back to the armory twice. It's a 1911 frame and slide, but the hammer, thumb safety and grip safety are A-1, I think. A noble bastard.

At some point in the mid-'60s at the Camp Perry Matches he took it to one of the 'smiths who fitted a slide with adjustable "TRIANGLE" sights and a NM bushing. That bushing is ridiculously tight. Had trigger work done later. Took my brother and me to Adams Conservation Club when I was maybe 5-6 years old to help police his brass, so we got an introduction to John Moses Browning at a proper age.

Dad turns 82 this week and still shoots it with us when we can manage a get together.

Posted by: Love Gun at September 02, 2018 09:10 PM (gjB0k)

214 JTB - though it's only a contingency thing given the abundance nowadays, my universal powder is ..... well, Universal. It's extremely versatile in the calibers I load, can do all of the handgun ones, anyway.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:10 PM (QDnY+)

215 I dunno. It might be time to go gig or go home with a Wilson Combat or Nighthawk.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2018 09:11 PM (Y/1UV)

216 170 ... " For that gun I think I'm loading around 750fps with W231."

Hi Weasel. You are probably correct. I was going by aging memory and lousy typing. 850 is approximately the muzzle velocity I use for 45 Colt in the Blackhawk.

Posted by: JTB at September 02, 2018 09:11 PM (V+03K)

217 been to jersey once. the next time i visit, will be when i'm forced there on my way to the gates of hell. i'm not stopping in jersey.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 02, 2018 09:11 PM (KP5rU)

218 188 You'd scowl too if SOMEone, SOMEwhere, was always fucking up your brainchildren...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 02, 2018 09:05 PM (/JA4t)

Hahaha....good point.

Saint Browning was a serious dude.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 09:11 PM (EoRCO)

219 I've heard nothing but good reviews/postings on RPR in 6.5 creedmore, but I just couldn't stomach having one more caliber in the ammo safe so went with .308. The ballistics are supposed to be excellent on the 6.5 c.m.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:11 PM (9KUXB)

220 Love Gun - awesome story!

And Gref - I have passed on the CMP 1911s so far, but your reasoning is sound. And thanks for the powder-production link earlier, interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:12 PM (QDnY+)

221 ...I thiiiiink the .45ACP velocity for ball ammo was about 835fps. I try not to get anywhere near that with the Colt. When manufactured they lightened the slide by removing a bunch of metal inside and apparently it's possible to crack the slides with too hot a load. For that gun I think I'm loading around 750fps with W231.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 08:55 PM (XOwrb)

1. Research Wolff Springs, and go up on the poundage of your recoil spring....I'm thinking a 4 lb. to 6 lb. stronger spring.

2. Get a JWB's original design firing pin stop. It's much more squared on the bottom. The Government Model's stop is fully rounded, to make the slide easier to hand-cycle. JWB's original design slows the slide's initial rearward motion, and lowers the overall slide velocity as a result.

Then your 835 fps ammo will work perfectly, as designed, without cracking your slide.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 09:13 PM (QzJWU)

222 "Supposedly such bills proposing Concealed Carry Reciprocity have gotten bipartisan support in the house."

That is what worries me - When the Stupid Party and the Evil Party join together and create bipartisan legislation, it is almost always both Stupid and Evil.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 02, 2018 09:13 PM (lD3vL)

223 In NJ you do not have the right of self defense. You have the responsibility of retreat. No shitter. In the event of a home defense shooting, you have to prove you had no reasonable path of retreat from your home. The definition of "reasonable retreat" is at the discretion of the prosecutor. Fuck with these people at your own peril.

Posted by: BluesFish at September 02, 2018 09:13 PM (Q811F)

224 Also in New Jersey, they will charge you with a felony if they find you in possession of any hollow point ammo.

Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 09:13 PM (X/BmP)

225 Posted by: Love Gun at September 02, 2018 09:10 PM (gjB0k)
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Send in a pic with the story, and if I stay in CBD's good graces we'll post it in a gun thread!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM (XOwrb)

226 Ignoramus, The Jungle is Neutral is on my list already.

Interesting point about Percival - could well be true. And will henceforth figure in any thoughts about him, or the situation.

I still like my Singapore-holds-out-for-2-months idea. Might have changed the mojo quite early.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM (QDnY+)

227 It's been a few weeks. Guns sent back to MFG, guns back from MFG.

The PPQ 45 didn't take the Insights class by storm. Several failures to eject. Not happy. Sent the gun into Walther, after a lot of back and forth from them...they didn't want to take it in...and they were unable to find anything wrong with the gun.

Joy.

Either the problem was with the magazines or 600 rounds of ball ammo would make it puke about 50 fifty rounds or so. And the failure to eject was not something I could tap-rack-bang my way out of. I have to strip the magazine, work the slide a few times and then re-insert.

So I'm back to carrying my Glock 21 again.

Ah well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM (xJa6I)

228 Not a gun guy, but gun-curious.

I've fired an M1911, enjoyed it, and once we flee the People's Republic, envisage getting into it by buying one. So I ask the Horde: Good idea? Bad idea? A better idea?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (YqDXo)

229 Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 09:13 PM (QzJWU)
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I'm a chicken. The thought of breaking the NM gun makes me more than a little nauseous. I may back that down to 200!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (XOwrb)

230 228 Not a gun guy, but gun-curious.

I've fired an M1911, enjoyed it, and once we flee the People's Republic, envisage getting into it by buying one. So I ask the Horde: Good idea? Bad idea? A better idea?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (YqDXo)
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Excellent idea.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:17 PM (XOwrb)

231 An Observation, why is it that that constitutional provision hasn't
sufficed to force states to recognize firearm-related state
documentation? Seems it would require a particularly twisted, illogical,
and dishonest bit of "reasoning" to come to any other outcome.

Oh - right!

This is something that could be won with a civil suit, and would not require U.S. Attorneys to be involved.

Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 09:17 PM (X/BmP)

232 Good idea?

Yes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 09:17 PM (Tyii7)

233 Ah well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM (xJa6I)

Sorry to hear. But on a side note, thanks for that heads up on the Star BM a few weeks back.

For under $300 it is a gem.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 09:18 PM (EoRCO)

234 Thunder?

Posted by: Burger Chef at September 02, 2018 09:18 PM (RuIsu)

235 " I thought one of the key findings of Heller was the "guns in common use" standard, "

How lower courts follow SCOTUS rulings (and any precedent, or even written law) has become squirelly. Short answer is that it's an honor system, which is breaking down. Because law is just politics by other means, you see. (The tide may turn on this)

IIRC, AR-15 types are the most common firearm type in the US and Scalia would have said so until he lost a wrestling match with a pillow.

Kavanaugh on SCOTUS will remove the Kennedy Wheel of Fortune Wild Card.

Gosrsuch and Kavanaugh went to the same DC Jesuit HS, just sayin'

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 09:18 PM (1UZdv)

236 I've fired an M1911, enjoyed it, and once we flee
the People's Republic, envisage getting into it by buying one. So I ask
the Horde: Good idea? Bad idea? A better idea?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (YqDXo)

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I love them, but I love all kinds of everything. Start with a Springfield or Ruger and you shouldn't spend much more than $500 or so, and you won't lose too much if you decide you don't like it. Or still like it but just keep it in the safe for other things you like a bit more.

Unless you mean laying the money down for a Colt, and I'd still start with the cheaper option unless you're viewing it as an investment.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 09:19 PM (oNuis)

237 228 Not a gun guy, but gun-curious.

I've fired an M1911, enjoyed it, and once we flee the People's Republic, envisage getting into it by buying one. So I ask the Horde: Good idea? Bad idea? A better idea?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (YqDXo)

If you love the 1911 and you're willing to put some time in with it...eh, go for it. It beats a revolver.

But it's not as good as modern pistols, in capacity and reliability. 1911's take a lot of 'fiddling', especially with their magazines. I'd suggest a M&P or a XD 45 or a Glock 21 over a 1911. Heck even a CZ 97, a SIG or even an old Ruger P90.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)

238 Jay - good idea.

Better idea - got to that big range in Poway, or the new-ish one at Gunther's up in Carlsbad, or IronSights in Oceanside, and rent a few handguns. Find what you like.

Even better idea - don't wait, buy one (what you like) soon. While some handguns are not available in CA, most still are, new, from dealers. And ....

EVEN better idea - haunt the private sales section of CalGuns, where you will find better prices than new for guns that are essentially new (most guns don't age much if properly used/cared for), AND "off-roster" guns that you can't buy new, from dealers (yeah, that makes exactly as much sense as you think it does).

You might need that thing in a month. Probably not, but "be prepared". Don't wait.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:20 PM (QDnY+)

239 233 Ah well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM (xJa6I)

Sorry to hear. But on a side note, thanks for that heads up on the Star BM a few weeks back.

For under $300 it is a gem.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 09:18 PM (EoRCO)

You got one? Glad to hear it. It's a fun little shooter. Have any hammer bite issues? Mine nibbled at me a little but not too bad, all things considered.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:20 PM (xJa6I)

240 I've fired an M1911, enjoyed it, and once we flee the People's Republic, envisage getting into it by buying one. So I ask the Horde: Good idea? Bad idea? A better idea?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (YqDXo)

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I fired several of them before settling on a Springfield 1911 Mil Spec ACP. Been very happy with this choice.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 09:20 PM (I16G8)

241 Sadly, my gun range is closed for the foreseeable future due to the actions of the retarded president of the club.

Apparently, our lovely, relatively new covered range was never approved via building permit through the town, and the Town found out about it nearly two years later.

Doesn't look good for the club as the Town appears to have an ax to grind. Said retarded president is so surprised that a simple paperwork error is causing such a problem.

Yeah, that's it. A paperwork problem. Not that the Town was looking for any excuse at all to shut down any firing on the range. Nope. A 'paperwork' problem. We're into the second month of this crap, formal notices posted at the gate that we can't shoot until everything is resolved.

Posted by: squeakywheel at September 02, 2018 09:20 PM (MOXoJ)

242 202
No, you're thinking about abortion. You know, the sacred, noble thing that requires us to tolerate the 99% of recreation-based murders of babies because 1% involve rape and/or incest.

While less than 1% of firearms are involved in crimes (much less murders), and the other 99% must be completely banned to prevent it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 09:06 PM (oNuis)
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ZIIIIIING !!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 09:21 PM (0jtPF)

243 "...if I stay in CBD's good graces..."

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM (XOwrb)

What do you put on your French Toast?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 09:21 PM (wYseH)

244 I think the stone faced picture John Browning ever had taken was because the guy was always thinking serious thoughts.

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 09:21 PM (T4oHT)

245 or even an old Ruger P90.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)

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I have an old crappy P95 that was $180 or so brand new, and I shoot it better than any and everything else I've ever owned. I love that thing, and it irritates my shooting buddies so much for them to pull out their $1000 whatevers and that old heavy, cheap, ugly Ruger wear them all out.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 09:22 PM (oNuis)

246 "195 Concealed Carry reciprocity:"

they stopped reading when they saw the "...shall not be infringed..." and decided that they didn't care to be Americans.

The South probably could have kept their slaves, they were just stupid and started shooting. They should have followed California and many other states and just ignore the US Constitution and an Federal law that was incompatible with their new Government.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 02, 2018 09:22 PM (lD3vL)

247 What do you put on your French Toast?

It's a trap!!!

Posted by: Admiral Jemima at September 02, 2018 09:22 PM (Tyii7)

248 What do you put on your French Toast?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September

someone has an alternative to maple syurp? maybe powdered sugar?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 02, 2018 09:22 PM (MTjB1)

249 I'm also not delighted with the accuracy of the Ruger Mk IV hunter I have. It's a pretty gun, looks like the old Automag and damn near weighs as much.

But my polymer striker pistols put in tighter groups.

So I'm going to sell or trade it. Either for the M&P 22 or the new Walther PPQ 22. I do want a service-pistol sized .22 that's reliable and accurate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:22 PM (xJa6I)

250 Well, the pre MoMe just hit half of the Sat event.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 09:23 PM (iiA9G)

251 French toast? Why lots of real butter and marionberry syrup.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:23 PM (9KUXB)

252 245 or even an old Ruger P90.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)

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I have an old crappy P95 that was $180 or so brand new, and I shoot it better than any and everything else I've ever owned. I love that thing, and it irritates my shooting buddies so much for them to pull out their $1000 whatevers and that old heavy, cheap, ugly Ruger wear them all out.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 09:22 PM (oNuis)

I hear ya. I bought a Ruger P90 earlier this year for $200 and the damn thing shoots as smoothly as a SIG P220.

Gun will probably outlast me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:24 PM (xJa6I)

253 French toast? Salt and coffee grounds. Maybe a pinch of cumin.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I say monkey, you think black person, and I'm the racist? at September 02, 2018 09:24 PM (oNuis)

254 Good idea? Bad idea? A better idea?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (YqDXo)

An absolutely fine idea. It may not be an ultra-modern design, but it is probably the most elegant and intelligent design of any semi-automatic pistol around.

What is really nice about them is that one can look at them and fiddle a bit and understand how they work.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 09:25 PM (wYseH)

255 You got one? Glad to hear it. It's a fun little shooter. Have any hammer bite issues? Mine nibbled at me a little but not too bad, all things considered.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:20 PM (xJa6I)

YUp...they are turning up big time in the pawn shops in my AO.

The one I found is marked "CGP" on the right side of the slide and made in 1977 I believe.

No hammer bite but my hands are pretty resilient. She cleaned up like brand new and ran fine. An InterArms Import.

Thanks for the motivation to get one.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 09:26 PM (EoRCO)

256 Jay, I'd differ with Mark slightly on the 1911. Many don't require much fiddling, and if they do, only need to be fiddled with once by a competent mechanic. Magazines can be an issue, but not hard to find a kind that work reliably. Just my experience.

And my reason for saying get thee to a local range that rents, and shoot, is that you can see what a Sig220 is like, or an XD-45, and try the 1911 again (all 45ACP).

One point made by another commenter above that is key, which I stress to prospective first-time gun buyers: most quality firearms both retain their value and are easy to sell, if you should want to, later. It's not a "drive off the lot and lose 1/3 of your car's value" situation, with quality guns.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:26 PM (QDnY+)

257 So I'm going to sell or trade it. Either for the M&P 22 or the new Walther PPQ 22. I do want a service-pistol sized .22 that's reliable and accurate.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018

*****

I hate to say it because I really want to like mine but do not get the Walther. It's an ok gun, but prone to jams, even after some gunsmithing.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 09:26 PM (0tfLf)

258 2A is all I need, Baby! Everything else is, heh - negotiable.

Posted by: Fritz at September 02, 2018 09:26 PM (ANJe6)

259 the commie cities are building a case against national reciprocity by claiming much of their gun violence is a result of out of state firearms: i.e. Chicago is IN's victim, Camden / Trenton are PA,'s victims etc.

Posted by: kakisto at September 02, 2018 09:26 PM (RL/ur)

260 My P89 was $300 and it's a fine gun but not so expensive if it gets stolen or confiscated by the NJ Police so that's what travles with me. I've had it for going on 20 years and never had a problem with it. It always goes bang. Not real pretty though and a little bulky but that's ok for this application. No way I'd use a 1911 like that.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 09:27 PM (UdKB7)

261 The Tx MoMe has just added another state to our roster. We now have 8 states plus Texas that are coming for the Gunz/Food.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 08:49 PM (iiA9G)

==
if i had the $$ and the health, you could add #Failifornia to the list...

Jay. you can buy a 1911 naow, even here in #Failifornia.

Do IT!

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 09:29 PM (zJ7J0)

262 Good idea?

Yes.

*how. ev. urrrrrr*

The Glock is now indisputably proven to be the most dependable, most reliable, and professionally relied UPON handgun in the world today.

I don't like how a Glock (doesn't) fit in my hand. I don't care for a Glock factory trigger. I hate the cheap-ass, horridly imprecise sights that the factory fits atop the Glock's slide.

But it can't be argued that a Glock is pretty much like a fork. Simple, and works every time it's properly employed.

1911s on the other hand, run the gamut from super-UN-reliable buckets of parts flying in loose formation, to ultra-accurate, high-precision masterpieces that should never be "carry" guns, due to being so tightly fitted as to introduce their own various UN-reliabilities.

Some 1911s are pure Hangar Queens (looking at you, Kimber, of 10 years back or so)

If you're going to carry a 1911.... I'd recommend at least two professional gun-FIGHTING 1911 classes, at least two THOUSAND rounds expended in said training, new Recoil Springs every two thousand rounds, and stick with the 1911 until it's SO very damn second nature to you, that shooting a 1911 and shooting it well, is more instinctive that even wiping your own ass.

Here's the payoff though. You get this good with your 1911....and you're gonna be pretty DAMN good with every other pistol, other than a double action revolver.

You master the double action revolver though, and THEN every other handgun is a piece of cake.

Which is why I compete in the Stock Service Revolver Class, to the exclusion of all others. I want to be accurate, and have to assume that I *must* connect, with each and every shot.

Only six on board before a reload.... does tend to focus one's efforts towards "Perfection".

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (QzJWU)

263 I like my Walther PPQ M2 in 9mm. No problems and great factory trigger.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (9KUXB)

264 257 So I'm going to sell or trade it. Either for the M&P 22 or the new Walther PPQ 22. I do want a service-pistol sized .22 that's reliable and accurate.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018

*****

I hate to say it because I really want to like mine but do not get the Walther. It's an ok gun, but prone to jams, even after some gunsmithing.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 09:26 PM (0tfLf)

Uff da.

Really? That is disappointing. Nutnfancy (I know, I know, at least he's not James Yeager) gave it a glowing review.

Maybe I'll get the M&P 22, but its trigger did not make me excited. Damn thing was like a stiff sponge, if that makes any sense.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (xJa6I)

265 messed up my nic

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (RL/ur)

266 "Which is why I thought the 4th Circuit's holding in the MD gun law case was open rebellion against SCOTUS, as it specifically ignored/repudiated that standard."

No, they "applied" the Heller standard and then "artfully" created facts to get around it. So did the 2nd Circuit. That's what lawyers do

This is waiting for the another Circuit ruling to create a SCOTUS appeal, especially now that the Kennedy Wild Card will be gone

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (1UZdv)

267 squeakywheel, Sweet Fancy Moses. What a situation. Sorry to hear it.

Outdoor range where I RO has just about spent all its money, and reserves that were building for major capital improvements, to buy all the real estate in the surrounding area (three different properties came up for sale).

This is a rural area, but not unpopulated. The few locals are friendly to the range, for the most part, but the board is taking no chances. BLM land on several sides, so that's fine, and looks like there's almost a complete "cordon" of land surrounding the club now. It's CA, so - no chances being taken.

Best thing is the general use permit allows shooting up til 10PM. Military uses that a fair amount, some day going to host a twi-night BBQ and low-light shootin' party.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:31 PM (QDnY+)

268 You master the double action revolver though, and THEN every other handgun is a piece of cake.

Which is why I compete in the Stock Service Revolver Class, to the exclusion of all others. I want to be accurate, and have to assume that I *must* connect, with each and every shot.

Only six on board before a reload.... does tend to focus one's efforts towards "Perfection".

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (QzJWU)

I'm not a revolver fan but I do understand and appreciate this mindset.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:32 PM (xJa6I)

269 Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM (XOwrb)

I'm going home for a wedding in about a month. Will be in the same house as the 1911 for only a day or two, so will see what I can do.

Posted by: Love Gun at September 02, 2018 09:32 PM (gjB0k)

270 I'm also not delighted with the accuracy of the Ruger Mk IV hunter I have. It's a pretty gun, looks like the old Automag and damn near weighs as much.

Mine was very picky with regards to ammo

Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2018 09:32 PM (j0Mw7)

271 I like my Walther PPQ M2 in 9mm.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (9KUXB)

I just got one in .45ACP, and I agree about the trigger. The reset is amazing!

My only complaint is that it is so light that the recoil is quite different than my 1911.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 09:33 PM (wYseH)

272 I'm watching an episode of Parts Unknown with Anthony Bourdain. It seems he was pro second amendment.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at September 02, 2018 09:33 PM (nBr1j)

273 Drudge is a shithole clickbaiter.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at September 02, 2018 09:33 PM (FTPVM)

274 Ignoramus, thanks.

I doubt there was much that was "artful" about the lawlessness of those two circuits, judging by what I've seen the last few years (including at SCOTUS, where Kennedy really beclowned the institution and country, even by Warren Court-and-after "standards"). And of course Roberts - who really stands out, having trashed something basic like statutory construction, artlessly, to get to his silly goal.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:34 PM (QDnY+)

275 Mark,
Do some research. I'd take a stiff sponge over a jam any day.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 09:35 PM (0tfLf)

276 271 I like my Walther PPQ M2 in 9mm.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (9KUXB)

I just got one in .45ACP, and I agree about the trigger. The reset is amazing!

My only complaint is that it is so light that the recoil is quite different than my 1911.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 09:33 PM (wYseH)

Yup. I'm damn accurate with the PPQ, in 45 or 9mm. The gun is like magic, accuracy-wise.

I found I couldn't 'stage' the trigger during the class though. It was like solid wall and then 'bang' with only slightly more force. May try to do some more with with that in my next range session (and I need to nail down the cause of the FTE)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:35 PM (xJa6I)

277 275 Mark,
Do some research. I'd take a stiff sponge over a jam any day.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 09:35 PM (0tfLf)

Well I can't argue that. Though this is for a range toy. If I wanted to carry a .22lr for social purposes, I'd probably get a revolver. (I know, I know)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:36 PM (xJa6I)

278 Drudge is a shithole clickbaiter.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at September 02, 2018 09:33 PM (FTPVM)

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Yep. Haven't been there for over a year.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 09:36 PM (I16G8)

279 "261 The Tx MoMe has just added another state to our roster. We now have 8 states plus Texas that are coming for the Gunz/Food."

So where is this Tx MoMe D/FW area, Houston, EP, CTX ?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 02, 2018 09:36 PM (lD3vL)

280 I can't believe you didn't link to The Holy Gospel of John (Moses Browning) as translated by Father Frog. (http://www.frfrogspad.com/jmb.htm)

1 In the
beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good.
And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's
design for it is good and it workith. For
John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the
Lord, gave him upon the mountain."
2 "And shouldst
thou muck with it,and hang
all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou
shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely
come to harm."
3 And as the
ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the
Lord and began to profane the 1911. The
tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases
upon the 1911 and their metal smiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter
parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.
4 Their artisans
did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it
became impractical to purchase. For
lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so
that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the
internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon
it, and these profaners didst try and fit more rounds of ammunition into the magazines than the
holy number of seven, appointed for the .45.
5 And lo, they didst
install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord.
For they doth break and lose their zero when thou dost need true aim.
And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their
enemies in the great battle. a
6 And it came to
pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as
he had warned, fearful malfunctions to come upon the abominations and upon the
artisans who thought they could do no wrong.
7 Seeing the
malfunctions and the confusion of men, the lord of the underworld did see an
opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of
plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the
eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy
vast quantities of them.
8 And being a
deceitful spirit, the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols,
filled with tiny springs and parts that were easily lostc,
and they were unmenable to the artisans of earth so they were unable to muck much with the
design, and lo these pistols did appear to function.
9 And the
evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both cock and
fire them and which require a "dingus" to make them appear safe.
10 But man
being stupid did not understand these new pistols and didst proceed to shoot
themselves with the plastic pistol and with the trigger cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great
intelligence which man had long since forsaken.
Yet man continue to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for
the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.
11 And when man had
been totally ensnared with the plastic pistol, the lord of the underworld didst
cause a plague of the terrible Ka-Boom to descend upon man and the plastic
pistols delivered their retribution upon men.
And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.
12 Then seeing that
the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for
his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans
who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the
profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men
they didst begin to work as the Lord had intended.
13 And the men of
the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there
was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil sprits which tried
occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land and who were sent to the
place of eternal damnation b by the followers of John.

Posted by: Heresolong at September 02, 2018 09:36 PM (spsWF)

281 Any one here own the Colt Woodsman? Saw a beautiful example at gun show that vendor bought from an estate collection. I hesitated because of price. Went back next day and was gone. SAD!

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:37 PM (9KUXB)

282 And Jay - if you're still here - take Jim's point, and definitely try revolvers, too.

They're great, they're different, in many cases they're more "accessible" to female shooters who might not like the functional aspects of semi-autos.

And don't wait. You don't know when (even if?) you'll be un-assing CA, and you can enjoy/get good with a gun now. And you might even have a use for one, in the worst scenario.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:38 PM (QDnY+)

283 Rhomboid,

Yeah, we're in a rural but not unpopulated area too, but in NH. Seems like many of the towns are being infiltrated by MA residents who like the low/no taxes and then are bent on getting rid of the icky guns. Having people running our club that are naive or idiotic as to the Town's intentions is beyond irritating.

As I've been telling friends who live in other states, we're purple here, but we're rapidly moving towards blue.

It is disheartening, especially since we spent a lot to uproot the family specifically to move to a 2nd amendment friendly state. (from CT to NH)

Posted by: squeakywheel at September 02, 2018 09:38 PM (MOXoJ)

284 214 ... " JTB - though it's only a contingency thing given the abundance nowadays, my universal powder is ..... well, Universal. It's extremely versatile in the calibers I load, can do all of the handgun ones, anyway."

Can't argue with Universal for handgun ammo although I think Unique has more latitude. I've only used Universal in shotguns.

There is a good amount of info on the internet, like the Cast Boolits forum, for Unique or Red Dot in light to moderate cast bullet rifle ammo, especially for bolt actions and lever guns. I think I mentioned last week a friend asked me to work up a cast bullet load for her 30-30. For medical reasons she can't take much recoil, even with a pad. But I can give her a 100 to 150 yard load that will feel like a popgun.

For laughs, I have used a 10 grain Unique load behind a 405 grain bullet in a 45-70. At 200 yards, you almost have time to pull the fired case and load the next round. It rang the steel gong but I would never hunt with it.

Posted by: JTB at September 02, 2018 09:38 PM (V+03K)

285 ...
Maybe I'll get the M&P 22, but its trigger did not make me excited. Damn thing was like a stiff sponge, if that makes any sense.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:30 PM (xJa6I)

Hie thee forth to yon Gonne Shoppe, and purchase fortwith, a Browning Buckmark UDX, in the finish of your choisse.

Without a doubt, the UDX has the FINEST out of the box trigger of all of the .22 auto pistols on the market today. The proverbial "breaks as crisp as a glass rod"...the UDX Can Haz It.

Laser accurate, too. Trust me on this, it's match-grade, and I've never fired one that wasn't.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2018 09:39 PM (QzJWU)

286 Blue Bird, CenTx.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 09:40 PM (iiA9G)

287 ... and if I stay in CBD's good graces we'll post it in a gun thread!
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 09:14 PM

Don't mention "Red Sox", and don't dribble maple syrup on your shirt so it prints, and you should be GTG.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 02, 2018 09:41 PM (DMUuz)

288 JTB, good points.

Have never done it (only load rifle for the M1s, big and little ones, so won't play), but there are powder puff loads using TrailBoss for rifle that sound fun.

If I ever get a Springfield bolt-action, as I hope to, or come into cheap/free dies for 54R, I will try those recipes.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:41 PM (QDnY+)

289
Only six on board before a reload....

Not on the TV shows I've seen.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2018 09:43 PM (IqV8l)

290 Unless you're planning to walk around the streets of Camden or Newark in the evenings. Then all bets are off.
Posted by: BluesFish

Parts of Camden during the day are iffy

Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2018 09:43 PM (j0Mw7)

291 May try to do some more with with that in my next range session (and I need to nail down the cause of the FTE)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 02, 2018 09:35 PM (xJa6I)

I have only fired full power 230 grain hardball, so I didn't have any problems with insufficient slide energy.

I will have to try it with light target loads and see how it behaves. I have some 200 grain semi-wadcutter that might be a challenge.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 09:46 PM (wYseH)

292 squeakywheel, my blood would be above the boiling point (at sea level) in your situation. Fleeing CT only to have the idiocy creeping to follow you.

Gotta say I am hoping that a new SCOTUS will finally get involved and nuke most of the ridiculous unconstitutional state legislation on firearms and related matters, so that *one* particular aspect of rule of law is restored.

And BTW, I think there's a decent case that NH was stolen from Trump in 2016. Don't know if a thorough examination was ever done, but the Hildabeast's "winning" margin was substantially less than the # of same-day voter registrations, and a follow-up on those registrations showed initial hallmarks of fraud (voters did not subsequently get any NH state documents, like driver's licenses, etc.). Quite an interesting, specific case of potential voter fraud that, due to the numbers, might be resolvable with a high level of confidence.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:46 PM (QDnY+)

293 People, we're winning the war on the 2A. But don't be greedy

A court ruling that any mook from AK can waltz into NYC concealed carry isn't going to fly.

But it's the trend in over 40 states,

The rest have fears over demographics IYKWIM which will improve as more Minorities discover their inner Deplorable,

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 09:46 PM (1UZdv)

294 No thunder. Rescheduled fireworks at the local HS. One where you get soap on a rope w/ diploma.

Posted by: Burger Chef at September 02, 2018 09:47 PM (RuIsu)

295 OT but still want the AZ governor to appoint Sarah Palin to that asshole Juan McCain's Senate seat. Sweet tasty liberal tears.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:47 PM (9KUXB)

296 Hiya

Posted by: JT at September 02, 2018 09:50 PM (ey8nc)

297 Where's all the wimmenfolk?

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 09:51 PM (9KUXB)

298 BTW: re Kavanaugh (SP?) and SCOTUS. the fascists have their panties in a
near fatal twist over Roe, but they should be nearly catatonic over the
RKBA issue.

i forget where i read it, but he is quoted on the
issue as saying that the 2nd Amendment has it's own level of scrutiny
built in. (BoR cases are usually reviewed under one of several of those,
starting with "strict" which kills just about any law, to "moderate".
which allows the 9th Circus, and others to allow just about any gun law,
to "i forget")

Kavanaugh said that the 2nd, based on its language, has a standard of "shall not be infringed"....

i can't wait for him and Thomas to start killing off all the stupid shit these assholes have been passing the last few years.

two or three good opinions could clear the law books nation wide.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 09:51 PM (VsDxC)

299 The canary in the coal mine on gun control happened when the Deep Blue States of Connecticut and New York each passed laws requiring owners of ARs to register them or face felony charges. 85% of the AR owners refused to do so. This scared the dog crap out of the law makers in the two states when they realized there was a line where the law abiding said "Nope, won't do it". By the way, 85% of the police officers who owned ARs refused to register them.

Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 09:52 PM (X/BmP)

300 Ignoramus, I don't see it as "greedy".

It's both substance, and principle.

Substance: several large population states infringe their residents' 2A rights in indefensible ways - that is, almost any way, since .......

Principle: if rule of law is ever to be restored, the very first element must be "words mean what they say".

The "levels of scrutiny" crap is just audacious (and not very artful) lawlessness, in which the courts have substituted their own confected "system" for common sense, and the meaning of words. What's worse, almost all the objectionable gun laws fail even *those* artificial illegitimate standards.

I'm pretty sure SAF and NRA et al try to think strategically here. Seems just two big SCOTUS cases - on concealed carry/right to bear, and guns in common use standards - could wash away a large % of the worst laws nation-wide, in two swoops. Here's to hoping.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:52 PM (QDnY+)

301 Are crossbows a legal alternative to guns in NJ?

Posted by: Goatweed at September 02, 2018 09:53 PM (iR3Gu)

302 Rhomboid, Re: I think there's a decent case that NH was stolen from Trump in 2016.

You're not far off the mark. We've got quite a bit of voter fraud going on up here, not that anyone in the MSM wants to talk about it. We have a watchdog group that has been doing yeoman's work up here, the Coalition of New Hampshire Taxpayers is the name.

Posted by: squeakywheel at September 02, 2018 09:54 PM (MOXoJ)

303 Where's all the wimmenfolk?
Posted by: SteveOReno

Right here, with all the men.

Posted by: squeakywheel at September 02, 2018 09:55 PM (MOXoJ)

304 This scared the dog crap out of the law makers in the two states when they realized there was a line where the law abiding said "Nope, won't do it".

So what happened? Were those laws rescinded? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 02, 2018 09:56 PM (4jqDR)

305 Are crossbows a legal alternative to guns in NJ?
Posted by: Goatweed at September 02, 2018 09:53 PM (iR3Gu)

I don't think you can concealed (or open) carry them, but other than that, they're unrestricted as far as I know.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 02, 2018 09:57 PM (QSdIk)

306 I see redc just said what I was going to say, before I said it.

Had not seen Kavanaugh's take on the 2A, but it's outstanding.

Well, actually, it's just correct, and obvious, and normal.

There's a reason the founders included an amendment process in the constitution. Don't like something, change it. Follow the rules.

But negating/amending the constitution with "levels of scrutiny" and other, again, artless and sophomoric horseshit is the essence of lawlessness. It's one of the most insidious forms of lawlessness - in that it proceeds mostly without notice, incrementally, but renders all laws and the constitution just arbitrary tools in the hands of men.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 09:57 PM (QDnY+)

307 ONT is up.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 09:58 PM (I16G8)

308 Not that I get pulled over every day but I've found that just volunteering the info right away puts everyone at ease. The LEO knows I have a permit, so I tell him I'm carrying (which is 99% of the time) and where my sidearm is holstered. In every case but one, the cop told me he appreciated the information.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 02, 2018 08:45 PM (Tyii7)

I've found that as well. Both times, once in Houston tx and once in Pelzer SC, I actually got out of the tickets with just a warning.

Posted by: Traveling Man &&&& at September 02, 2018 10:00 PM (qZaw2)

309 Posted by: Heresolong at September 02, 2018 09:36 PM (spsWF)

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Amen!

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 10:00 PM (VsDxC)

310 I know it's been linked to before in several threads but the logistics of full blown gun confiscation make it nearly impossible to have any chance of successful implementation in USA.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 10:00 PM (9KUXB)

311 The canary in the coal mine on gun control happened when the Deep Blue States of Connecticut and New York each passed laws requiring owners of ARs to register them or face felony charges. 85% of the AR owners refused to do so. This scared the dog crap out of the law makers in the two states when they realized there was a line where the law abiding said "Nope, won't do it". By the way, 85% of the police officers who owned ARs refused to register them.
Posted by: An Observation

Same with taxes

Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2018 10:00 PM (j0Mw7)

312 I prefer to conceal carry a long bow.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at September 02, 2018 10:01 PM (9KUXB)

313 A court ruling that any mook from AK can waltz into NYC concealed carry isn't going to fly.
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Want to bet? If we can get that court ruling to be on Article IV Section 1 it will.

Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 10:01 PM (X/BmP)

314 Jay!

ISTR that you're in the Bay Area.... is that right?

if not, and you're SoCal, or ever come this way, add "AT moronhorde DOT org to my nick, and we can make arrangements for you to try a variety of 1911/45ACP platforms.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 10:01 PM (VsDxC)

315 "Ignoramus, I don't see it as "greedy".

Big edicts from SCOTUS without popular support often don't end well. Better to get there over time.

Most major cities don't have gun cultures. If you've got a gun and you're not LE your're a scary threat, and there's truth to it. Gun control legislation at all levels has been a response to this. Its no accident that major federal legislation in 1968 followed widespread inner city Black riots in 1968

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 10:03 PM (1UZdv)

316 I'd like to thank the Horde for its sage advice re first gun purchase.

Rhomboid, it was at Iron Sights that my family and I (the whole crew) all fired 1911s.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 10:07 PM (YqDXo)

317 Went to the Browning museum in UT. Very cool. The story of the recovery of his first prototype semi auto (old lever action) is awesome.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at September 02, 2018 10:08 PM (bgJ0E)

318 314 Jay!

ISTR that you're in the Bay Area.... is that right?

if not, and you're SoCal, or ever come this way, add "AT moronhorde DOT org to my nick, and we can make arrangements for you to try a variety of 1911/45ACP platforms.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 10:01 PM (VsDxC)

I grew up in the Bay Area, but I'm in north SD county now. Thanks for the invitation. I just might take you up on that!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 10:09 PM (YqDXo)

319
What do you put on your French Toast?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 09:21 PM (wYseH)
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Not maple syrup, that's for sure!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 10:09 PM (Brx1o)

320 "And BTW, I think there's a decent case that NH was stolen from Trump in 2016. "

Trump lost NH because of Pussygate.

I famously predicted (as early as March 2016) that Trump would win with over 300 EVs.

I lost on NH, and other states were closer, because of the adverse effect of Pussygate on suburban women voters. Hillary's Mooks thought it would kill him, and celebrated early

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 10:10 PM (1UZdv)

321 250 Well, the pre MoMe just hit half of the Sat event.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 02, 2018 09:23 PM (iiA9G)
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Holy crap!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 10:10 PM (Brx1o)

322 Not maple syrup, that's for sure!
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 10:09 PM (Brx1o)
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Heathen!

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at September 02, 2018 10:11 PM (WEBkv)

323 299 The canary in the coal mine on gun control happened when the Deep Blue States of Connecticut and New York each passed laws requiring owners of ARs to register them or face felony charges. 85% of the AR owners refused to do so. This scared the dog crap out of the law makers in the two states when they realized there was a line where the law abiding said "Nope, won't do it". By the way, 85% of the police officers who owned ARs refused to register them.
Posted by: An Observation at September 02, 2018 09:52 PM (X/BmP)

Yeah, but what happens if you use your gun in self-defense, such as during a home invasion? I can envision ambitious left-wing DAs salivating over that prospect.

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 10:12 PM (sdi6R)

324
I'm going home for a wedding in about a month. Will be in the same house as the 1911 for only a day or two, so will see what I can do.
Posted by: Love Gun at September 02, 2018 09:32 PM (gjB0k)
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OK!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 10:12 PM (Brx1o)

325 228 Not a gun guy, but gun-curious.

I've fired an M1911, enjoyed it, and once we flee the People's Republic, envisage getting into it by buying one. So I ask the Horde: Good idea? Bad idea? A better idea?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 09:16 PM (YqDXo)

An OK idea. A better idea is to buy two. Or three.

Seriously, try some different guns and see what you like, see what you can comfortably and accurately shoot, then make a purchase.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 02, 2018 10:12 PM (bjCNA)

326 THere was a player on the Knicks whose aggrieved GF ratted him out on having a gun in his apartment. Those charges were quickly dropped, as they should be despite NYC peculiar laws.

The harder question in places like NYC is concealed carry. It ruined Plaxico Burress's NFL career.

Posted by: Ignoramus/ at September 02, 2018 10:21 PM (1UZdv)

327 > have you been to the range?

Yes. blasted away with my JHP .45 and shot the best set of targets ever. I finally have that darn trigger figured out.
Still debugging the M57, I might have to put an orginal TT-33 trigger on it. Good thing those are cheap - about $20.

Bought a new pistol, S&W SW22 victory. It'll get here Wednesday. cantwaitcantwaitcantwaitcantwaitcantwait

Posted by: ArthurK at September 02, 2018 10:35 PM (dg/6R)

328 "301 Are crossbows a legal alternative to guns in NJ?"

The bolts with broad heads attached are rather expensive - hope that your intended target is worth it.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 02, 2018 10:41 PM (lD3vL)

329 How do nations produce endless quantities of high explosive? What do you have to dig out of the ground? Is it rare? I don't understand how large scale war works.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2018 08:11 PM (fuK7c)

High explosives, and explosives in general, are organic compounds that serve as fuels, with oxgen chemically attached in such a way that fuel and oxidizer are contained in the same material - the explosive burns the fuel with internally-contained oxygen - no air is needed.

Attaching the oxygen to the fuel molecules generally requires nitric acid and sulfuric acid, which are industrial comodity chemicals. These are mixed together and used to treat organic "fuel" compounds to introduce nitro, nitrate, or nitramine groups - the nitrogen atoms hold the oxygen in place. The process is called nitration.

Sulfuric acid is made by mining sulfur out of the ground, burning it with air over a catalyst to make sulfur trioxide, and combining that with water to make the acid. There are large deposits of sulfur in Sicily, the US Gulf Coast area, and elsewhere. Sulfur can also be recovered from hydrogen sulfide gas that removed when purifying natural gas.

Nitric acid can be made by heating a nitrate salt mined from the ground (sodium nitrate for example, big deposits in Chile) in sulfuric acid and distilling off the nitric acid. It can also be made by catalytic burning of ammonia with air to make nitric oxide, wich is combined with oxygen from the air and water to make nitric acid (synthesis of ammonia from nitrogen anb hydrogen was developed in Germany in WW1 when their supplies of Chile saltpeter were cut off). Lastly an electric arc in air can be used to make nitric oxide, which is then combined with oxygen and air as above.

The fuel part for high explosives can be someting like phenol or toluene (make picric acid and TNT respectively), originally found in tar distilled out of coal. Toluene is also found in petroleum. There are other organic compounds of course, but I won't get into that.

Fuel molecules for smokeless propellant are usually from natural sources. (There was WW2 German military smokeless that actually had some TNT in it.) Double-base powder has nitroglycerine and nitrocellulose, single-base powder just nitrocellulose. Glycerine is a byproduct from heating fat with sodium hydroxide to make soap. Cellulose is either cotton or wood pulp.

All the chemicals used to make explosives have other industrial uses.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 03, 2018 12:28 AM (t5m5e)

330 t.r.m. howard civil rights leader in 1955 feud with thergood marshal on the best response to the murder of emit till when jury found klansmen not guilty. marshall said non violence howard waving his "daddys gun" a thompson sub machine gun in front of armed followers (many black ex-service men) this is our court of last resort to stop lynchings!

Posted by: wammo at September 03, 2018 12:31 AM (LN7SW)

331 Heads up......Sept 4th is the very first day the forms to get a 'gummit" surplus Colt 1911 from CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) can be post marked to get into the lottery to purchase one. They will take applications through Oct 4th. They only have 8 or 10,000 they can sell per year. I got my form all filled out and waiting.

I also filled out another form to get some more M-1 garands. I got a Springfield a few years back when they only had H&R's and Springfields (luck of the draw). I ordered some IHC (International Harvesters) this time, another luck of the draw hoping I get a H&R this time and saw where they had Winchesters but sold out. I really need to check that website out more often.

I guess these Garands must be from those Philippines returns that the SCOAMF wanted to grind up rather than sell to us icky bitter clingers. Just one more of the myriad reasons I ask God to bless President Trump.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 03, 2018 12:35 AM (cCxiu)

332 Posted above from a phone - hence some typos.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 03, 2018 12:41 AM (t5m5e)

333 My first pistol was Rem's 1911 R1. No Gold Cup, but not bad, either. I also bought a reloading press, dies, bullets, and powder BUT due to fears Obama was going to lower the ban hammer, there wasn't much to pick from to reload with. I bought a can of Clays and used Lee's dipper. Too weak! Now its easier to find .45 acp and my time is more valuable, so no more reloading, though i kept all the gear, just in case!

Posted by: hurricane567 at September 03, 2018 12:54 AM (nQcQg)

334 "Millions were produced under military contract before being replaced by the Beretta M9 in 1985.."

Not quite. I was in the army between 87-92 and carried a M1911 on my hip in Korea, Europe and SWA as it took years to fully implement across all units. I did hear of some grumbles about the M9 and rumors that some .45s were reissued, but who knows.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at September 03, 2018 03:45 AM (4ZhMv)

335 On nitrogen; German chemist Haber invented Haber-Bosch process to extract nitrogen from air circa 1914. Nitrogen and its derivatives are key to explosives. Also key to fertilizers. Without Haber Bosch world could not feed its expanded population.

Posted by: Comanche voter at September 03, 2018 04:26 AM (ocQHl)

336 The license plates in TX are associated with LTCs? Not in my experience.

You want to be stopped by cops in TX? Drive in the Panhandle. In my previous 23 years of driving I had not been stopped by DPS a single time. Since moving here DPS has stopped me three times. As have two other departments...and each and every time, all post-LTC era (for me), the cops ONLY asked about firearms AFTER I showed them my LTC.

None issued me a ticket...DPS issued warnings (they HAVE to issue something now when they pull you over).

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at September 03, 2018 05:46 AM (Irr3L)

337 As for MD and NJ...police states, both. I suspect that if I were to pull over on the Beltway on the MD side, grabbed a rock, and threw it in any direction, I'd hit five MD state troopers. NJ is just as bad.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at September 03, 2018 05:47 AM (Irr3L)

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