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Saturday Gardening Thread: Yes, It's August Alright [KT]

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Hello, Gardeners and Friends of Gardeners! And a special welcome today to animal lovers and geneticists. The photo above is of a new orchid acquired by Don in Kansas, Queen Beer.

Meanwhile, in Illinois, Illiniwek has taken a photo of something that would be welcome in California about now:

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This one was kinda neat, big front came through, this is the wall cloud (if my terminology is correct).

Adds a little drama.

Yes, Illiniwek, that kind of drama would be welcome in photos of many California yards.

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Fire fighters curled up on the ground in the back yard of the house they just saved the night before, resting up for the next shift in their battle with the #CarrFire.

Looks like a close call. This photo was taken back in July, and the fires have moved to new areas since then. My sister's home was one saved by firefighters, though from a different fire. Don't think the fire got quite that close. California could use some rain. Or even clouds that aren't smoke.

The Pet/Garden Interface

Something a little different today as Misanthropic Humanitarian will be spending a lot of time in an alternate dimension for a while. You're stuck with me for the Pet Thread today, too. I will be posting companion photos to the photos in this segment in the Pet Thread. It won't be the almost world-famous Ace of Spades Pet Thread, but hey.

Tom W sent in this photo of his dog Jimmy B waiting for figs to ripen. I think I am in love with Jimmy B.

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You can meet this adorable dog up close in the Pet Thread a little later. Along with his little sister, who doesn't seem to be that into figs.

Below is The Invisible Hand's dog, Darla. Look at that expression.

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And this is his other dog, Kaz. What a photo!

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Don't they make his yard more fun? Learn more about them in the Pet Thread today.

Something different - Gloriosa Lilies

We received the following from an Anonymous Poster:

Each year my gloriosa lily comes along and never disappoints me with its beauty. I naturalize my bulbs so I don't dig any up and basically most of them do just fine.

I ordered a reddish-orange one and have it planted but it's not coming up yet, or won't until next year.

Love for Saturdays to come and get the garden thread and pet thread!

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It is lovely, isn't it? This is the National Flower of Zimbabwe. It is native to tropical and southern Africa and parts of Asia. The entire plant is highly toxic to people and pets, unless you have a pet porcupine. Some porcupines eat the tubers. You might want to skip this plant if you have one of those pets that likes to chew on strange stuff. It is used as an arrow poison in parts of Africa. Neverthless, it is widely used medicinally in Africa and Asia, and cultivated in India. I wouldn't be surprised if it were now a source of colchicine in the West, too. It is becoming scarce in parts of its native range due to harvesting of wild plants for pharmaceutical use.

As you can see in the photo above, the Gloriosa Lily is a vining plant. It has tendrils at the ends of its leaves, which is kind of unusual.

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The ones with orange to red flowers (which generally include some yellow) are also beautiful. They are only hardy in the ground in USDA hardiness zones 10 and 11, and in zone 9 with protective mulch. They need to be protected from too much water in winter.

Where winters are colder, you can plant the tubers (rhizomes) in pots with drainage, plunge them into the ground during the growing season and dig them up, pot and all, to move them to a dry, frost-free location for winter. Or leave in a container and move to a patio during the growing season. They can grown 5 or 6 feet tall here, taller in their native range.

Got your bulbs and tubers and such for fall planting?

Gloriosa Lilies are not actually lilies. They are related to the Autumn Crocuses of the genus Colchicum. We talked about bulbs called "Naked Ladies" last week. Well, here are some more. They are shorter, though. This is a garden cultivar called The Giant. Sometimes they are sold like this, for people to set on the windowsill to bloom without any potting mix or anything. But many of them are hardy to Zone 5 in the garden, and generally more pest-resistant than true crocuses, some of which also bloom in fall. That's because they contain colchicine, like Gloriosa Lilies. More on colchicine a little later.

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If you want to plant Autumn Crocuses, other fall-blooming crocuses and other fall-blooming flowers that grow from bulbs, tubers, rhizomes and such, you don't have much time to order. White Flower Farms ships its fall-blooming bulbs in early September. Their limited (compared to some catalogs) selection includes the Lycoris Squamigera photographed by Le Garde Vieux (see the end of last week's post) even though it blooms in summer in many climates.

They also sell Saffron Crocuses, which bloom in fall, and they provide harvesting directions. You can grow the most expensive spice in the world in your own yard if you live in Zone 6 or above. You may want to plant the bulbs in a wire basket to deter burrowing rodents. To avoid being poisoned, remember that toxic Autumn Crocuses have 6 stigmas, while true crocuses have 3.

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While you're planting fall-blooming bulbs, maybe you can plant, or map out, some spring-blooming ones, too. Got any in mind?

Science: Colchicine in Medicine and the Garden

Since we have photos of both Gloriosa Lilies and Autumn Crocuses up today, maybe a couple of comments on colchicine would be appropriate. This very toxic chemical has been used medicinally for centuries. Its primary remaining use in the West is for gout. I noticed something kind of interesting in the Wiki:

An unintended consequence of the 2006 U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) safety program called the Unapproved Drugs Initiative -- through which the FDA sought more rigorous testing of efficacy and safety of colchicine and other unapproved drugs -- was a price increase of 2000 percent for "a gout remedy so old that the ancient Greeks knew about its effects." Under Unapproved Drugs Initiative small companies like URL Pharma -- Philadelphia drugmaker -- were rewarded with licenses for testing of medicines like colchicine. In 2009, the FDA reviewed a New Drug Application for colchicine submitted by URL Pharma. URL Pharma did the testing, gained FDA formal approval and was granted rights over colchicine. With this monopoly pricing power, the price of colchicine increased.

Okay, what's the difference between "unintended" and "unanticipated"? You ask a small company to do very expensive testing on a substance known to have very toxic effects. I don't know what testing costs on a substance like colchicine, but testing on a new drug runs into the billions. By doing this testing, the company makes itself liable in future lawsuits for adverse reactions far into the future, no matter who manufactures the product administered to the patient. Then you give that company monopoly pricing power for a limited time period. After that time period, they will be largely forced out of the market by generic manufacturers, but will likely continue to bear most of the liability risk from use of the drug. Do you really expect the price to remain the same?

But back to gardening. Do not self-dose with your Gloriosa Lilies or Autumn Crocuses, please. The famous use of colchicine in botany is to induce polyploidy:

. . . colchicine is also used for inducing polyploidy in plant cells during cellular division by inhibiting chromosome segregation during meiosis; half the resulting gametes, therefore, contain no chromosomes, while the other half contains double the usual number of chromosomes . . . and lead to embryos with double the usual number of chromosomes (i.e., tetraploid instead of diploid). While this would be fatal in most higher animal cells, in plant cells it is not only usually well tolerated, but also frequently results in larger, hardier, faster-growing, and in general more desirable plants than the normally diploid parents; for this reason, this type of genetic manipulation is frequently used in breeding plants commercially.

When such a tetraploid plant is crossed with a diploid plant, the triploid offspring are usually sterile (unable to produce fertile seeds or spores), although many triploids can be propagated vegetatively. Growers of annual triploid plants not readily propagated must buy fresh seed from a supplier each year. Many sterile triploid plants, including some tree and shrubs, are becoming increasingly valued in horticulture and landscaping because they do not become invasive species. In certain species, colchicine-induced triploidy has been used to create "seedless" fruit, such as seedless watermelons (Citrullus lanatus). Since most triploids do not produce pollen themselves, such plants usually require cross-pollination with a diploid parent to induce fruit production.

You just might be able to create your own tetraploid plant at home. Might want to leave breeding the triploids to the professionals. Not that you can't grow some triploid plants in your yard. Had good luck with seedless watermelon? Ever grown orange watermelon?

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Triploid Watermelon 'Orange Crisp'

Wildlife in the Yard and Garden

I had really intended to save wildlife photos for next week, but then yesterday Seamus Muldoon sent in an updated yesterday on the The Elephant's Hat. (Don't comment on old threads).

From a few weeks ago, the hummingbird nest on top of the elephant wind chime ended up with two eggs.

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After an incubation period of about 16 days the eggs hostaed about 10 days ago. They are hard to get a good picture but the two little hostalings looked like little aliens. Here is a snap from today, about 10 days old. You can see that the beak is not long and thin like a hummingbird adult, but it is starting to elongate from when they were first born. They should nest for about 3 weeks before fledging and being able to venture out on their own. We wish them luck in the big wide world.

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Thanks for the great photos, Muldoon. Hope the little ones stick around your yard for a while after their alien phase.

Gardens of The Horde

We have lots of smoke in the air here in the San Joaquin Valley. Fresno may still be getting ash from the fire near Yosemite. I have seen reports of too much rain elsewhere in the country. Wish we could even out the rainfall some.

We have been dependent on friends for garden tomatoes this year. The ones in the photo below are cherry and plum tomatoes that another friend in Southern California is going to be preparing himself, for snacks and salsa. He has some dark tomatoes, too. A nicer photo than the ash on his windshield.

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We have harvested some ripe Dapple Dandy Pluots, and had some stolen. Anything going on in your garden?


If you would like to send information and/or photos for the Saturday Gardening Thread (or temporarily for the Pet Thread), the address is:

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1 Good afternoon greenthumbs

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 12:17 PM (lxZ71)

2 Hi, Skip.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at August 11, 2018 12:19 PM (BVQ+1)

3 Tomatoes and cucumbers are starting to come in in batches, need to make pickles today or tomorrow. Getting some small peppers but no big peppers are even starting.
And having tomato soup with fresh chives for the first time, chives have been slow in sprouting up.

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 12:20 PM (lxZ71)

4 Good Afternoon/Morning Horde.

Posted by: Surfperch at August 11, 2018 12:22 PM (eDqwv)

5 Wet here at WeaselAcres. Sorry, California.

Sickle bar is attached to the tractor and ready to go. Truth is, I'm a little scart of it.

Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 12:25 PM (JZFfi)

6 Illiniwek, I stole your picture. Thanks.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 11, 2018 12:25 PM (vV/gB)

7 My favorite thread!

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at August 11, 2018 12:26 PM (eDqwv)

8 Sickle bar is attached to the tractor and ready to go. Truth is, I'm a little scart of it.
Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 12:25 PM (JZFfi)


That's the farm device with a user's manual that says "Remember, no one really needs all ten fingers!", right?

Posted by: Chairman Hrothgar at August 11, 2018 12:28 PM (n9EOP)

9 8 Sickle bar is attached to the tractor and ready to go. Truth is, I'm a little scart of it.
Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 12:25 PM (JZFfi)

That's the farm device with a user's manual that says "Remember, no one really needs all ten fingers!", right?
Posted by: Chairman Hrothgar at August 11, 2018 12:28 PM (n9EOP)
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That's the one. I swear it looks like it was designed to chop off fingers. In fact, my tractor guy mentioned the sickle bar is why a lot of old farmers are missing fingers.

Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 12:30 PM (JZFfi)

10 WDS - gone again. You may need to cycle your IP address. Don't ask me how. Modem off/wait/on maybe. When I get pixyblocked on the cell, I just turn airplane mode on and off.

Posted by: mindful webworker - technically squeaking at August 11, 2018 12:32 PM (Bd48Y)

11 For tomatoes, I planted something called Italian Heirloom, these plants are huge. I was thinking of trying some other kind next year until one ripened and I sliced it open, very fleshy with minimal seeds, good taste too. I'll grow them next year but I'll give them lots more space.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 12:33 PM (Rz2Nc)

12 YAY! Rain! We actually had some this week. Nothing like that mid-summer burnt lawn look to make you look to the sky for a little help.

Update on my NYS container garden:

Harvested some cabbage this week. I still have a few left in the pots. All-in-all, I count this as a container garden success.

I took out most of my cucumber vines last week. The "overflow" plants (I just stuck them in random pots instead of the earth boxes) are still producing.

The tomatoes... well, the Roma are starting to come in. They are smaller than normal, but flavorful.

The Brussels Sprouts are still growing. *shrug* It's an experiment, and it "may" succeed.

On to the peppers...

On the face of it, my peppers liked the hot, dry summer. I have them all in earth boxes, and they are watered from below.

The banana peppers have produced an insane amount on just a few little plants... over 100 banana peppers to date off five plants.

The bell peppers (red, green, orange) have been abundant. The yellow peppers are MIA.

My husband came out to look at my plant tags this week. One of the pepper plants is enormous (like 4' tall in the earth box)!

He was wondering what the "funny looking peppers" were.

Apparently, I am growing "Carolina Reapers".

When Hubby told me that (I gotta start using my glasses to read the tags) I wanted to rip it right out. WTH can we do with a vegetable you can't even touch!?

Hubby wants it for hot sauce, and he quickly texted my son to get him to also lobby me to keep it. My son (who loves, loves, LOVE hot) wants to cut up one to toss in some dish and see if he can take the heat.

I have no idea what to do. I still think ripping it out is the best choice (the peppers are all still green). Thoughts?

Posted by: Ann at August 11, 2018 12:37 PM (e59uY)

13
Is it me, or does that gloriosa look like the face-huggers on LV-426?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 11, 2018 12:38 PM (eXA4G)

14 A follow-up on the elephant hat hummingbirds! How great.

Daughter went to check on a cantaloupe yesterday, and it just fell of the vine into her hand. Small. But tasty!

The squash plant that's in the wrong place and taking over the front porch throws off bunches of flowers every morning, but no signs of fruit yet.

The strawberry that jumped out of the pot and planted itself in front of the porch has flowers.

We have little pink roses. Cherry tomatoes (a few). Some critters ate all the parsley. Hope at least it was monarchs-to-be.

We don't have much, but we have fun.

As far as critters, at least one hummingbird comes by the front window every day. One day two of them were fighting, or something, right where I could watch them. High-speed ninja flying.

We also have raccoons. They leave the cats' outside water dish dirty whenever they visit. I haven't had a coonskin cap since Davy Crockett was on tv; time for a new one.

Posted by: mindful webworker - of the black-thumbed webworkers at August 11, 2018 12:39 PM (Bd48Y)

15 Also have what I think is a avocado growing from the compost pile, it was spouting and I stepped on it but its growing again. Think I will try and pot it and bring it in before fall.

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 12:40 PM (lxZ71)

16 Wish we could send rain to All who need it, this has to be the wettest year without a hurricane . Often the Schuylkill river it's possible to wade across in August but its quite full and has been all year.

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 12:44 PM (lxZ71)

17 Here are a couple cool (I think) cloud images I took from my yard.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y97w664b
Link is to Postimage.org

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 11, 2018 12:49 PM (P/aDH)

18 Ann,
I had to look those peppers up, personally I wouldn't eat one.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 12:53 PM (Rz2Nc)

19 KT and everyone who sent in photos: Thank You!! Just gorgeous images.

Posted by: JTB at August 11, 2018 01:01 PM (V+03K)

20 mindful webworker - of the black-thumbed webworkers at August 11, 2018 12:39 PM

Fun report. But Monarch caterpillars don't eat parsley. Various Swallowtail caterpillars do. Depends on where you live.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at August 11, 2018 01:02 PM (BVQ+1)

21 a healthy respect for tractors and their implements is a good thang. Make sure WeaselDog is well leashed before running the mower ... of course that is obvious, but bears repeating I guess.

One dog was lost here to a sickle bar more way back when, and an uncle had three digits shortened by various contraptions.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 11, 2018 01:05 PM (bT8Z4)

22 A cornucopia of content today!

(Gardening thread humor)

Posted by: Le Garde Vieux at August 11, 2018 01:05 PM (ZcS8q)

23 Ann,
I had to look those peppers up, personally I wouldn't eat one.
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 12:53 PM (Rz2Nc)


I also looked them up, and found a couple recipes...but all have warnings. One guy had to go to the hospital with a "thunderclap" headache. No wonder they have the word "Reaper" in the title. Yikes.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at August 11, 2018 01:06 PM (hLB6Q)

24 Getting another T-storm, might not hit directly but who knows.

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 01:07 PM (lxZ71)

25 It's taken a while but our little crepe myrtle is finally in full bloom and is beautiful. This one always comes in later than most but we thought there might not be much after the extra cold and dry winter and the weird weather since. Last year was one of the best for crepe myrtles I've ever seen. This season isn't quite as good but better than I expected. At least for a week or so we have a real ornnament in the back yard.

Posted by: JTB at August 11, 2018 01:07 PM (V+03K)

26 A true "wall cloud" is a harbinger of a tornado, but that doesn't look like a true wall cloud. But its hard to tell from a picture.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 01:08 PM (mpXpK)

27 Great pics!
And first, thanks to those who made suggestions re: beans last week.
We wrote it all down.
We have tomatoes, but only by picking anything that starts to blush and bringing them in. Still too hot to ripen.
Wife is making green sauce as I type from tomatillos.
Peppers have been good generally, but the hot wax (yellow) pepper is unbelievably prolific.
Pulled all the zukes out. Squash bugs won.
We've been eating fresh salsa. I think Ann's Carolina Reaper would make me quit though!
Ate the first cantaloupe. Meh.

Posted by: MarkY at August 11, 2018 01:09 PM (BiIZt)

28 that first pic is awesome Buzzsaw, with the blue skies and then the rain coming.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 11, 2018 01:10 PM (bT8Z4)

29 Re: fires...
A contingent of Mo. guys from our Conservation department left for the Carr fire yesterday. My buddy ain't no spring chicken. I worry about the old fart doing that.
Good luck to the residents, and all the firefighters and support!

Posted by: MarkY at August 11, 2018 01:12 PM (BiIZt)

30 Years ago my wife actually had 1st degree burns from touching hot peppers, learned putting milk or better yet yogurt on it .
Accidentally bought Garden Salsa peppers instead of Anaheim, that little pepper was real hot but ate it in chile, saw a couple more turning red today.

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 01:13 PM (lxZ71)

31 25
It's taken a while but our little crepe myrtle is finally in full bloom
and is beautiful. This one always comes in later than most but we
thought there might not be much after the extra cold and dry winter and
the weird weather since. Last year was one of the best for crepe myrtles
I've ever seen. This season isn't quite as good but better than I
expected. At least for a week or so we have a real ornnament in the back
yard.

Posted by: JTB at August 11, 2018 01:07 PM (V+03K)

My crepe myrtles usually go into bloom in late spring around late April or early May.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 01:13 PM (mpXpK)

32 I liked the red sky picture, hope it was taken before night.

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 01:15 PM (lxZ71)

33 I mentioned last week that our cherry tomatoes were great this year and we were picking the regular toms greent to ripen on the window sill. Well, it works. We've been enjoying them the last few days. These are Heat Masters we got at Southern States. Rather firm and not too seedy and VERY flavorful. They've been growing in large containers and by not over crowding them, they have done fine. After disappointing seasons for tomatoes the last couple of years, these are a treat. No matter what else we try, I plan to use at least one container of this type next year.

Posted by: JTB at August 11, 2018 01:15 PM (V+03K)

34 It's dead Jim, describes my garden....

I'm going to attempt an eyetalian tea cake called a Ciambellone. Calls for the zest of half an orange and a whole lemon. If my Meyer lemons were ripe they we be a perfect substitute. I have limes so that's what I'll be using. I'm sure that it will be fine.

Posted by: lin-duh at August 11, 2018 01:19 PM (kufk0)

35 illiniwek Thanks.
Skip Yes at a little after 9PM.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 11, 2018 01:21 PM (P/aDH)

36 31 ... "My crepe myrtles usually go into bloom in late spring around late April or early May."

Hi Vic, The crepe myrtles in northern Virginia seem to bloom in late June into early July, IIRC. Our little shrub is always a bit delayed. We are lucky. A lot of the older homes have crepes planted decades ago. They are huge and burst with varied crepe colors from white (not many but some) to all shades of red and purple. We look forward to seeing them every year.

Posted by: JTB at August 11, 2018 01:22 PM (V+03K)

37 Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 11, 2018 01:25 PM (NWiLs)

38 These photos are gorgeous! And the content is fascinating, as always . There are so many interesting things in this world that I know nothing about.

Posted by: LASue at August 11, 2018 01:26 PM (Z48ZB)

39 Orange watermelon.....just ain't right.

Posted by: BignJames at August 11, 2018 01:27 PM (0+nbW)

40 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 11, 2018 01:29 PM (o/RxS)

41 Very disappointed with 2 Honey Dew plants nothing yet, 1 is barely surviving and the other climbed over the fence but no fruit started.
Getting straight squash veggies

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 01:30 PM (lxZ71)

42 Greetings from The Flames Of Hell the middle of Idaho. Been 110+ for a couple of days, and supposed to "cool" (lmao!) into the high 90s for a while. Red flag warnings for super low humidity, too.



Ugh. A/C? No, don't have. Unless you count sitting outside next to sprinkler. This is the part of summer I really really hate. With fans on it feels like a convection oven... I'd do a rain dance, but it's too hot to move around.


So, I brought in the huge, lovely begonias because I didn't want them to crisp. They're going back out today because the flowers are dropping... not enough light indoors and the dog likes to brush past them.



I took pics of them before bringing them in, will send to KT for a future garden thread.



Everything outside looks like a faded old photograph due to the haze from wildfires all over the west. (we are not near any, afaik, thankfully.)


We have autumn crocus out back, a small patch that has grown from just a couple bulbs I moved-in with. Pretty pink flowers pop up outta nowhere! (The leaves are lush dark green, come up in mid- spring then yellow and disappear fairly quickly.)



Another fall bloomer is 'Autumn Beauty' sedum. They have tons of buds now and will start opening near Labor Day with salmon-pink flowers that last for several weeks. I love the sedums, small or tall and have many of the groundcover kind. Foolproof and drough tolerant, easy to propage, pretty little flowers in white, yellow and pink... in short, they survive both me and summers here.


Well, got to water before things melt.

bbl.

Posted by: JQ at August 11, 2018 01:33 PM (yD/Pf)

43 We planted cabbage this year, first time trying it, in an Earth Box and benefited from the good advice here on the thread. We just did four of them and they survived. I was surprised that there was almost no pest trouble. (I suspect the bugs were taken by surprise.)

Anyhow, we brought in a couple of them this morning. They are a bit bigger than softballs and quite solid. We're letting the other two keep going into the fall. No idea how they will taste. Report next week, same bat time, same bat channel.

Posted by: JTB at August 11, 2018 01:33 PM (V+03K)

44 We have lots of Hummers this year. More than usual. They stop by around this time of year before they head South.

Posted by: Ronster at August 11, 2018 01:34 PM (09PU6)

45 44 We have lots of Hummers this year. More than usual.
Posted by: Ronster at August 11, 2018 01:34 PM (09PU6)

Nobody likes a braggart. I haven't gotten a single hummer all year.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 11, 2018 01:36 PM (NWiLs)

46 18 Ann,
I had to look those peppers up, personally I wouldn't eat one.
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 12:53 PM (Rz2Nc)

23 I also looked them up, and found a couple recipes...but all have warnings. One guy had to go to the hospital with a "thunderclap" headache. No wonder they have the word "Reaper" in the title. Yikes.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at August 11, 2018 01:06 PM (hLB6Q)

30 Years ago my wife actually had 1st degree burns from touching hot peppers, learned putting milk or better yet yogurt on it .
Accidentally bought Garden Salsa peppers instead of Anaheim, that little pepper was real hot but ate it in chile, saw a couple more turning red today.
Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 01:13 PM (lxZ71)

Skip, that is horrible!!

Ok, sounds like my "pull it out and toss it" plan needs to happen.

I think I'll sneak it out on trash day this week. Just bury it inside the garden waste recycling bag, and if Hubby or my son question me later, then I confess.

Posted by: Ann at August 11, 2018 01:36 PM (e59uY)

47 I love that first picture!

Posted by: Georgia O'Keeffe at August 11, 2018 01:36 PM (pAx+1)

48 26
Hi Vic, The crepe myrtles in northern Virginia
seem to bloom in late June into early July, IIRC. Our little shrub is
always a bit delayed. We are lucky. A lot of the older homes have crepes
planted decades ago. They are huge and burst with varied crepe colors
from white (not many but some) to all shades of red and purple. We look
forward to seeing them every year.


Mine are very small because I keep having to replant news about every three years or so because they keep getting killed by late freezes in May. I finally gave up on my Japanese Cherry tree. I have planted 4 of them. The last one grew to about 15 ft high then late freeze killed it while it was in bloom.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 01:38 PM (mpXpK)

49 Test

Posted by: KT at August 11, 2018 01:38 PM (BVQ+1)

50 A young man fell asleep in his Skyline R32 and flew it into one of our border gardens Wednesday, knocking down a couple trees and landing in a bed of lamium. To add injury to insult, he landed on a yellowjacket hive, and proceeded to get himself stung several times extricating himself from the "supercar." So we've got a couple of trees to replace, but the perennials for the most part seem OK. Missed my beloved maidenhair fern by a few feet. Lamium will recover.

Posted by: Caliban at August 11, 2018 01:41 PM (QE8X6)

51 Open book kind?

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 01:41 PM (lxZ71)

52 propage=propagate *sigh*

Posted by: JQ at August 11, 2018 01:42 PM (yD/Pf)

53 As to fall perennials, in addition to the Autumn Joy, we have asters, Montauk daisies, aconitum, turtleheads, and, for the very late fall, New England asters, which will bloom right up to Halloween.

Posted by: Caliban at August 11, 2018 01:46 PM (QE8X6)

54 Posted by: Caliban at August 11, 2018 01:46 PM

Wow, bet it's stunning!

Posted by: JQ at August 11, 2018 01:51 PM (yD/Pf)

55 50 A young man fell asleep in his Skyline R32 and flew it into one of our border gardens Wednesday, knocking down a couple trees and landing in a bed of lamium. To add injury to insult, he landed on a yellowjacket hive, and proceeded to get himself stung several times extricating himself from the "supercar." So we've got a couple of trees to replace, but the perennials for the most part seem OK. Missed my beloved maidenhair fern by a few feet. Lamium will recover.

Sounds like he's lucky to be alive. Sorry about the damages to your trees. Yellow jackets are vicious, I had to get rid of 5 hives of them last year, I wasn't getting stung whenever I walked past certain places.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 01:52 PM (Rz2Nc)

56 Does the Orange Watermelon taste any different than a Red one?

Posted by: Surfperch at August 11, 2018 01:58 PM (eDqwv)

57 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11. Yep! All accounted for!!

Just finished the maiden voyage of the sickle bar. One word: Bad ASS.

Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 02:00 PM (JZFfi)

58 That's good news Weasel, but does the sickle bar still have all it's teeth?

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 02:05 PM (Rz2Nc)

59 Just finished the maiden voyage of the sickle bar. One word: Bad ASS.
Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 02:00 PM (JZFfi)

Umm, it's supposed to be an even number total!

Posted by: Chairman Hrothgar at August 11, 2018 02:06 PM (n9EOP)

60 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11. Yep! All accounted for!!

Just finished the maiden voyage of the sickle bar. One word: Bad ASS.

Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 02:00 PM


The million dollar question... can you set it to the height of your hedges?

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at August 11, 2018 02:08 PM (LOgQ4)

61 55 Sounds like he's lucky to be alive. Sorry about the
damages to your trees. Yellow jackets are vicious, I had to get rid of 5
hives of them last year, I wasn't getting stung whenever I walked past
certain places.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 01:52 PM (Rz2Nc)

I ran over a hive of them mowing the vacant lot next door a few years ago. They swarmed all over me and got underneath my T-shirt. Had to run in the shower to get rid of them. Mean little bastids.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 02:09 PM (mpXpK)

62 Counting from the knees up!

Posted by: Weasel at August 11, 2018 02:10 PM (JZFfi)

63 Umm, it's supposed to be an even number total!

Posted by: Chairman Hrothgar at August 11, 2018 02:06 PM


Who are we to to judge the product of consanguineous unions?

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at August 11, 2018 02:11 PM (LOgQ4)

64 I ran over a hive of them mowing the vacant lot next door a few years ago. They swarmed all over me and got underneath my T-shirt. Had to run in the shower to get rid of them. Mean little bastids.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 02:09 PM (mpXpK)

Yep, that happened to me years ago, taking off clothes as I ran to the house. I can laugh about it now.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 02:15 PM (Rz2Nc)

65 It was raining heavily, but I went for a run like I usually do. I was completely soaked.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 11, 2018 02:16 PM (rnAwa)

66 It was raining heavily, but I went for a run like I usually do. I was completely soaked.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 11, 2018 02:16 PM (rnAwa)

Was the outcome ever in doubt?

Posted by: BignJames at August 11, 2018 02:18 PM (0+nbW)

67 62 63
I rate these both as valid answers, but just note, careful reading of the requirements document is critical!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 11, 2018 02:19 PM (n9EOP)

68
I have six weather alerts for my area due to rain, severe thunderstorms, watches, warning, flash flood advisories. What a summer this has been.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at August 11, 2018 02:20 PM (LOgQ4)

69 Was the outcome ever in doubt?
Posted by: BignJames at August 11, 2018 02:18 PM (0+nbW)

I didn't drown.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 11, 2018 02:23 PM (rnAwa)

70 I mowed over a ground hornets nest and sting reminded me of what having a red hot poker shoved into my abdomen must feel like. Needless to say, there was fire in the hole that night and I was never troubled by hornets in that location again.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 11, 2018 02:24 PM (n9EOP)

71 What a summer this has been.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic



It's supposed to freeze in parts of England.
The article said 'tonight'. They should be getting chilly by now.

You thought I was going to say chili didn't you.?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 11, 2018 02:32 PM (EeUIW)

72 I mowed over a ground hornets nest and sting reminded me of what having a red hot poker shoved into my abdomen must feel like. Needless to say, there was fire in the hole that night and I was never troubled by hornets in that location again.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 11, 2018 02:24 PM (n9EOP)

Sounds rather painful. I use the liquid Seven diluted with water method, the "fire in the hole" method sounds more fun.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 02:33 PM (Rz2Nc)

73

God didn't make little green apples
And it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 11, 2018 02:34 PM (IqV8l)

74 34. what a blast from the past! Haven't had ciambellone in years. My mom and her friends who make it are on to their reward. I do have an aunt who is a good baker, maybe can convince her.

Posted by: kallisto at August 11, 2018 02:36 PM (80Uh3)

75 what really helped save that house was brush clearance and such...

ground clutter picked up? check.

no brush? check.

oaks, not pine, palm or eucalyptus, etc near house? check.

amazing how much easier it is to defend a structure when there isn't YUGE amounts of fuel right next to it. the only trick it looks like them missed was cutting down the grass and removing it when it dried.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 11, 2018 02:38 PM (v9rtm)

76 64 Yep, that happened to me years ago, taking off clothes as I ran to the house. I can laugh about it now.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 02:15 PM (Rz2Nc)

That happened to me down in GA at my parent's house. I was hunting doves in the farmer's field behind the house. I was backed up against a telephone pole out in the middle of the plot. Felt something on my legs looked down and I was covered with fire ants and standing on a mound. I was stripping clothes all the way to the back door headed for the shower covered in fire ants biting the shit out of me. Good thing it was me and not my little brother. He is allergic to them and that many bites would have killed him.


But the GD feds made the State quit bombing them with insecticide pellets because it might have given cows cancer if they ate 50 pounds of it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 02:42 PM (mpXpK)

77 got 3 ears of corn for a buck and a cantaloupe also for a dollar. Farmers selling out of their truck.

Posted by: kallisto at August 11, 2018 02:42 PM (80Uh3)

78 my reblooming Josee Lilac has over a foot of regrowth after I pruned back the flowers (after they were done) ... but no hint of re-flowering.

Four gallons of wine are started, other grapes out there will mostly be bird food. Chickens are now let out to the grapes, and I give them the tomatoes which are in abundance. Melons coming along fine ... lots of them ... the green all along the old hog house in that pic above is a variety of melons (with some grass outbreaks).

go get your 10 or 200 acres, before the oligarchs buy it all. heh

Posted by: illiniwek at August 11, 2018 02:43 PM (bT8Z4)

79 Bust year in So Cal for the garden. Everything except the hot peppers and citrus were meh. Even the fig trees, which are usually bursting with fruit and overrun by fig beetles this time of year, just have some measly, small and not so sweet fruit. On the local news the other night, farmers were showing the exact same stuff with their crops so it is just a weather thing and I haven't lost my green thumb!

Beyond that, even though the fires are north of here, some of that smoke has made its way into the sky here, even though you can't smell it, and there's an eerie yellowish cast to the sun today. I cannot wait for fall!

Posted by: keena at August 11, 2018 02:45 PM (RiTnx)

80 I saw a movie about rampaging fire ants. Scary.

Posted by: kallisto at August 11, 2018 02:47 PM (80Uh3)

81 Summer in Phoenix is not for weak vegetables, and this is our first attempt. built raised gardens. Set up shade, and irrigation. We have gone from scorching hot and dry, now to brutal windy monsoon floods. Zucchini dead, which surprised us since they usually like weeds. Yellow cherry tomatoes seem good. Pepper plants grow like crazy but no peppers and drop leaves. Cantaloupe...yeah right. Japanese eggplant health but no fruit. Summer was experimental and didn't expect much. Will work on soil and plant for autumn/winter. There are home garden tours in fall so will go and get advice.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at August 11, 2018 02:48 PM (EPnrI)

82 80
I saw a movie about rampaging fire ants. Scary.

Posted by: kallisto at August 11, 2018 02:47 PM (80Uh3)

Fire ants will actually boil out of the hole and attack you if you get too close. They are the only insect I know that will do that. And yes, they are another import from South of the Border.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 02:49 PM (mpXpK)

83 Pet thread up

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 02:50 PM (mpXpK)

84 That happened to me down in GA at my parent's house. I was hunting doves in the farmer's field behind the house. I was backed up against a telephone pole out in the middle of the plot. Felt something on my legs looked down and I was covered with fire ants and standing on a mound. I was stripping clothes all the way to the back door headed for the shower covered in fire ants biting the shit out of me. Good thing it was me and not my little brother. He is allergic to them and that many bites would have killed him.


But the GD feds made the State quit bombing them with insecticide pellets because it might have given cows cancer if they ate 50 pounds of it.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 02:42 PM (mpXpK)

Ouch!

Any idea how they are allowed to control them?

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 02:51 PM (Rz2Nc)

85 Any idea how they are allowed to control them?

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 02:51 PM (Rz2Nc)

They don't anymore. The feds have too many restrictions.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 11, 2018 03:00 PM (mpXpK)

86 That really stinks!

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at August 11, 2018 03:08 PM (Rz2Nc)

87 Can we eat those flowers I'm starving after the doggie BBQ.

Posted by: saf at August 11, 2018 03:13 PM (5IHGB)

88 Only good way to get rid of Fire Ants
https://youtu.be/IGJ2jMZ-gaI

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 03:35 PM (lxZ71)

89 Makes me wish I had some Fire Ants

Posted by: Skip at August 11, 2018 03:39 PM (lxZ71)

90 Isn't there some hidden regulation allowing nuclear devices to control fire ants??? Well, there should be!!!

Posted by: lin-duh at August 11, 2018 03:45 PM (kufk0)

91 Garden thread dead already?

Oh, well...

Not sure watering did any good out there-- plants have just roasted this week. Bah.

Posted by: JQ at August 11, 2018 05:14 PM (yD/Pf)

92 Jules made some pico de gallo w/ our Roma, she loves it, I won't touch it, LOL.
Hope the fall beans have time to produce, they seem to be doing good.

Posted by: Farmer at August 11, 2018 07:24 PM (yJ1e6)

93 Funny thing: Potted azalea now has buds/blooms on one side of the plant.

Hubby gave me this one--it was in glorious full bloom-- for Valentine's Day, so "florist shop azalea" of unknown name.


I took it outside after last frost, put it next to the house for (about 3 hours of) late-morning sun.


2 weeks ago, when temps went into high 90s to hundreds, I moved it to light shade under a tree so that it wouldn't 'cook' against the metal siding...

Since I hadn't been rotating the pot (plain ol' nursery pot) I have no idea which 'side' was against the house and therefore no clue as to what condition has caused the re-bloom.

Thoughts, anyone? I have no idea why it's blooming NOW, as mostly these things bloom in Spring. Um, I think so, anyway.

Posted by: JQ at August 11, 2018 08:05 PM (yD/Pf)

94 MarkY at August 11, 2018 01:09 PM

Thanks for the report. If your cantaloupes are less than delicious, try restricting water before they ripen.

Most varieties should be picked the moment they slip naturally from the vine.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at August 11, 2018 09:18 PM (BVQ+1)

95 Caliban at August 11, 2018 01:41 PM

Wow. Not your everyday gardening story.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at August 11, 2018 09:21 PM (BVQ+1)

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