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Weekend Gun Thread
The new non-NFA pump-action 12 gauge includes a 15-inch barrel and 10-shell detachable box magazine as standard options. Announced Tuesday, the latest addition to Mossberg’s constantly growing Shockwave line is the 590M, blending the standard Raptor-gripped platform and its 27.5-inch overall length, with the company’s new series of detachable double-stack magazine offerings. While a single 10-shot magazine comes with the heavy-walled firearm, optional five, 10, 15 and 20-round capacity mags are sold as accessories.20 round mag? How effing cool is that?
The news that Justice Anthony Kennedy has retired from the Supreme Court is sending liberals and progressives into a panic. Kennedy has of course been the key swing vote in abortion and gay rights cases. Whether those cases will withstand a new Supreme Court with five core conservatives is a serious question. But there is another area of Supreme Court jurisprudence that may also be dramatically affected by Kennedy’s retirement: the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court has only ruled in favor of an individual right to own guns in two decisions, and in neither one did Kennedy write his own opinion. He did, however, make up one of the five votes in both 2008’s D.C. v. Heller, and 2010’s McDonald v. City of Chicago. Both cases invalidated complete bans on possessing handguns in each city. The Supreme Court has not, however, returned to the Second Amendment since McDonald was decided, despite thousands of lower court cases wrestling with the balance between the right to keep and bear arms and public safety.
Speaking of fake experts...........
When purchasing a firearm, has this ever happened to you? Nah, didn't think so.....
Loaded for bear, both black and brown.
As Bob told me when preparing for the hunt, there is a big difference between killing a bear and stopping a bear, and in the thick willow and alder jungle of coastal Alaska, you may very easily have a brown bear rear up out of the brush inside of twenty yards, or have one appear at your bear station seemingly out of thin air. “They make very little noise when they circle a bait station, and while the common .30 calibers have been used to hunt them, I personally prefer something a bit bigger,” Jewett related, and I personally agree with him. As you’ll see, I’m not alone in my choice of caliber, as well as the setup of the rifle. Let’s begin with the guide’s rifles, and move onto the client’s.
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g'early evenin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at July 01, 2018 06:58 PM (KCxzN)
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Missed it by that ( ) much
Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2018 06:59 PM (pHfeF)
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any .38 special round shoots very well in a .357.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 01, 2018 07:01 PM (mpXpK)
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Thirst!
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2018 07:01 PM (dpKGV)
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Hypothetically speaking. If you have a hypothetical friend with a hypothetical Ruger GP-100 .357 who wants to shoot hypothetical .38 Special rounds, what would you recommend if you hypothetically shot this particular round?
About a thousand rounds.
About a thousand rounds.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:01 PM (yQpMk)
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Yay! Gun thread.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:03 PM (bgJ0E)
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My son got a kick out of seeing them use an ammo can as cookware in Band Of Brother's.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:03 PM (kufk0)
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You mean you want ammo recommendations?
Well, I'd say get thee to ammoseek.com and find the best deal, buy a case (or 2 or 3). If it's just general plinking/practice/etc., doesn't much matter which exact kind you get. Cheapest will probably be commercial reloads.
Well, I'd say get thee to ammoseek.com and find the best deal, buy a case (or 2 or 3). If it's just general plinking/practice/etc., doesn't much matter which exact kind you get. Cheapest will probably be commercial reloads.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:03 PM (QDnY+)
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Dear AoSHQ Gun Thread,
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:05 PM (kufk0)
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I think we should hire Presdent Obama to investigrate if that idiot Trump is even a US citerzen !!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 07:06 PM (qM84C)
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Hornady critical defense in .38 special and avoid the +P stuff, it doesn't add enough velocity to make any difference in a serious social work situation.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at July 01, 2018 07:07 PM (bML9A)
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Yeah the country is dumbed down beyond recognition, and the judiciary is largely a farce, but there is no "wrestling" about a balance between the 2A and "public safety".
If that were ever actually applied as a test by a court - and it shouldn't be, it's a policy question, for the elected branches - then a serious court (yeah, I know) would reject *ALL* current "gun control" laws, possibly save a small handful.
Any thinking person of course laughs at the idea that such things as, for example, CA's idiotic "features" restrictions on AR-style platforms could even theoretically have any impact on "public safety". Does a pistol-style grip actually affect public safety, by itself? It's absurd.
But you can turn to things that even 95% of gun-nuts will treat as "sure, that makes sense" - like 10-day waiting periods, or even background checks, the most basic restriction - and a serious logical analysis leads to ...... oops, probably zero net impact on public safety from every gun law, from the NFA to the GCA to today's ridiculous morass of state laws.
If that were ever actually applied as a test by a court - and it shouldn't be, it's a policy question, for the elected branches - then a serious court (yeah, I know) would reject *ALL* current "gun control" laws, possibly save a small handful.
Any thinking person of course laughs at the idea that such things as, for example, CA's idiotic "features" restrictions on AR-style platforms could even theoretically have any impact on "public safety". Does a pistol-style grip actually affect public safety, by itself? It's absurd.
But you can turn to things that even 95% of gun-nuts will treat as "sure, that makes sense" - like 10-day waiting periods, or even background checks, the most basic restriction - and a serious logical analysis leads to ...... oops, probably zero net impact on public safety from every gun law, from the NFA to the GCA to today's ridiculous morass of state laws.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:08 PM (QDnY+)
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Dear AoSHQ Gun Thread,
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:05 PM (kufk0)
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Dear Confused in Texas,
You should only be concerned if you found him in an aroused state while watching said videos.
AOSHQ Gun Thread
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:05 PM (kufk0)
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Dear Confused in Texas,
You should only be concerned if you found him in an aroused state while watching said videos.
AOSHQ Gun Thread
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 01, 2018 07:09 PM (I16G8)
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Tupperware party in town next weekend.
And there will be snacks to put in the Tupperware.
Lots of pets to feed the snacks to.
Various other assorted goods and,,, stuff.
And there will be snacks to put in the Tupperware.
Lots of pets to feed the snacks to.
Various other assorted goods and,,, stuff.
Posted by: teej at July 01, 2018 07:11 PM (Z7oqE)
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Better option: strip down and insert it now.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2018 07:11 PM (0tfLf)
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Dear AoSHQ Gun Thread,
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:05 PM (kufk0)
He may just not have enough guns. He'll be fine if he buys some more guns.
Happy to help!
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:05 PM (kufk0)
He may just not have enough guns. He'll be fine if he buys some more guns.
Happy to help!
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 07:11 PM (y87Qq)
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I bought the Ruger PC Carbine in 9mm and put 90 rounds through it the other day. I think they have a winner.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 01, 2018 07:11 PM (+Dllb)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:11 PM (xJa6I)
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What barrel length on said hypothetical GP100?
Posted by: dogsandhogs at July 01, 2018 07:12 PM (Bux0S)
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"Tupperware for men"
If guns are legal, then men will get killed by women who shoot them through books on youtube. I thought this was a pro-man website.
If guns are legal, then men will get killed by women who shoot them through books on youtube. I thought this was a pro-man website.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 01, 2018 07:12 PM (/qEW2)
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Here's Rhomboid's Godson: https://flic.kr/s/aHskDP1Qz9
A surplus all steel 13rd blowback CZ83 in a lady's caliber. The slide was worn but not pitted on the billboard so I refinished it today using Kleen-Bore Black Magic over Birchwood Casey 14130 Plum Brown. I have had good success using the Plum Brown first to establish an even oxidation as a base for the blue/black to follow.
These were on sale last week for $229 at AIM surplus so, a total of $264.94 into my hands makes it a dollar less then what I paid for my CZ82 back when I had a C&R.
A surplus all steel 13rd blowback CZ83 in a lady's caliber. The slide was worn but not pitted on the billboard so I refinished it today using Kleen-Bore Black Magic over Birchwood Casey 14130 Plum Brown. I have had good success using the Plum Brown first to establish an even oxidation as a base for the blue/black to follow.
These were on sale last week for $229 at AIM surplus so, a total of $264.94 into my hands makes it a dollar less then what I paid for my CZ82 back when I had a C&R.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:12 PM (yQpMk)
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If you're looking for 38spl rounds for "home defense" (always pronounced with a heavy southern drawl, to be correct, IMHO), as someone else said just above, stick to standard pressure rounds.
The +P usually doesn't produce much except larger recoil, in terms of likely outcomes.
LuckyGunner dot com has a great section in which they report results of their own extensive ballistic (gel) tests on self-defense rounds in all the major handgun calibers. When topping off my stock of such ammo last year (before CA's latest idiotic law, which hassles online ammo buyers, went into effect), I consulted that source and others to refine my choices.
The +P usually doesn't produce much except larger recoil, in terms of likely outcomes.
LuckyGunner dot com has a great section in which they report results of their own extensive ballistic (gel) tests on self-defense rounds in all the major handgun calibers. When topping off my stock of such ammo last year (before CA's latest idiotic law, which hassles online ammo buyers, went into effect), I consulted that source and others to refine my choices.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:12 PM (QDnY+)
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Worked out a deal for a friend on the weekend. A gun shop was selling an M2 .50 with mount. He is unfamiliar with these and a poor negotiator so he asked me to do the deal with the gun shop on his behalf. As I knew exactly what price the gun shop acquired the .50 a year earlier down to the freight and all the wee faults with the gun (nothing really but the sales staff are also unfamiliar with the gun) and I managed to get a sale for only the original purchase price. Score. My friend was very pleased and the money he saved he is taking off the price of a 1919A2 and a Vickers gun he is selling to me. Basically I will get two guns for next to nothing. A good weekend.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:12 PM (bgJ0E)
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Sadly I am unable to answer said hypothetical question as I lost everything in the terrible canoe accident.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2018 07:12 PM (0tfLf)
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While Leftists are drum beating abortion repeal fear on the new SC pick 2nd Amendment universal carry could be a bigger Leftist fear.
Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2018 07:13 PM (pHfeF)
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I always use 38s rounds for target practice in my 357 colt
Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2018 07:14 PM (pHfeF)
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My friend was very pleased and the money he saved he is taking off the price of a 1919A2 and a Vickers gun he is selling to me. Basically I will get two guns for next to nothing. A good weekend.
I hate you.
I hate you.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:15 PM (yQpMk)
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This week is a odd duck rifle which no one seems to know exactly how it came to be. I will take it to the range again this week and try and blow it up. (just kidding)
It is a Carcano TS carbine in 7.9mm. Made in 1941 with the RE Terni stamp, it is exactly like it's cousin the Carcano TS carbine in 6.5mm except with a reinforcing recoil lug in the stock just forward of the chamber as well as a large "S" on the chamber and bolt handle.
It shoots well and is very accurate, but there are no clips to be found as in the 6.5 model so it is reduced to a single shot rifle.
The back story is muddled with hate, rumors, lies, distortions and out right banditry as to how these came about and the reason for them. To add even more mystery, it shoots fine with commercial ammo, but fails to impact the primer hard enough to detonate actual german surplus ammo dated from the 40's, even after putting a new firing pin spring in it and which work fine in my Vz.24
I have put a few hundred rounds through it and she has shot like a champ. I am thinking of writing Ian at Forgotten Weapons and Bloke on the Range to see what they can unearth about these Carcanos from another mother.
It is a Carcano TS carbine in 7.9mm. Made in 1941 with the RE Terni stamp, it is exactly like it's cousin the Carcano TS carbine in 6.5mm except with a reinforcing recoil lug in the stock just forward of the chamber as well as a large "S" on the chamber and bolt handle.
It shoots well and is very accurate, but there are no clips to be found as in the 6.5 model so it is reduced to a single shot rifle.
The back story is muddled with hate, rumors, lies, distortions and out right banditry as to how these came about and the reason for them. To add even more mystery, it shoots fine with commercial ammo, but fails to impact the primer hard enough to detonate actual german surplus ammo dated from the 40's, even after putting a new firing pin spring in it and which work fine in my Vz.24
I have put a few hundred rounds through it and she has shot like a champ. I am thinking of writing Ian at Forgotten Weapons and Bloke on the Range to see what they can unearth about these Carcanos from another mother.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 01, 2018 07:15 PM (EoRCO)
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Ok, on the .38 special question for your 'friend', I'm going to actually recommend 158 grain SWC standard pressure rounds. As long as you don't need to deal with barrier penetration, they are sufficient for social occasions and also affordable for training.
If you really feel you need hollowpoints, A +P 110 grain HP is pretty good. Buffalo Bore and Remington are my favorites.
Avoid Magtech. Dirty and inconsistent ammo.
If you really feel you need hollowpoints, A +P 110 grain HP is pretty good. Buffalo Bore and Remington are my favorites.
Avoid Magtech. Dirty and inconsistent ammo.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:16 PM (xJa6I)
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Costco was carrying those tupperware for men over by the kitchen stuff.
Haven't seen them lately.
I picked up a few while they had 'em.
Haven't seen them lately.
I picked up a few while they had 'em.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at July 01, 2018 07:16 PM (w7KSn)
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I keep 357 rounds in the speedloaders for any real exercise if needed.
Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2018 07:16 PM (pHfeF)
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Ah, the gub thread
Posted by: josephistan at July 01, 2018 07:16 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:16 PM (bgJ0E)
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Paul Harrell has a lot of good content on his youtube channel, glad to see him make an appearance here.
Posted by: BuckIV at July 01, 2018 07:16 PM (CLfqv)
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He may just not have enough guns. He'll be fine if he buys some more guns.
Happy to help!
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 07:11 PM (y87Qq)
LOL
Love Hog's answer
Happy to help!
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 07:11 PM (y87Qq)
LOL
Love Hog's answer
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:16 PM (xJa6I)
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Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:17 PM (yQpMk)
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Grump, you da man! Nice job. Humbled by the tribute.
But fellow Morons, don't sweat the "lady's caliber" thing - if you like .380, get one of these nice cheap well made Czech items. Easiest natural little shooters I've ever shot.
Most concealed carriers seem to want something smaller profile/lighter, but those who can carry other than sub-compact guns should consider it. And for open carry, it's very nice (technically I open carry while on duty at the range, and I know use the CZ-83 for that).
But fellow Morons, don't sweat the "lady's caliber" thing - if you like .380, get one of these nice cheap well made Czech items. Easiest natural little shooters I've ever shot.
Most concealed carriers seem to want something smaller profile/lighter, but those who can carry other than sub-compact guns should consider it. And for open carry, it's very nice (technically I open carry while on duty at the range, and I know use the CZ-83 for that).
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:18 PM (QDnY+)
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Hmmm. The American Rifleman has an article this month on the Mossberg and Remington box mag shotguns.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2018 07:19 PM (pew7u)
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36 Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:17 PM (yQpMk)
Happiness is my gun room where all the ground mount weapons are getting swamped by the guns on AA mounts so that even the LMG's are getting lost in the mix.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:17 PM (yQpMk)
Happiness is my gun room where all the ground mount weapons are getting swamped by the guns on AA mounts so that even the LMG's are getting lost in the mix.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:19 PM (bgJ0E)
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Well, he did pull his gun out and start cleaning it too...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:20 PM (kufk0)
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NZFrank are you in the US, or in KiwiLand?
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:20 PM (QDnY+)
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I shoot Speer Gold Dot .38 Special +p 135 gr short barrel in my Ruger LCR with the Hogue boot grip. Between the light gun and tiny grip, I have a hard time holding the gun shooting magnums. The .38 +p works as a compromise between power and handling.
Posted by: Eric at July 01, 2018 07:21 PM (LiN1N)
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Nil Zilland, Rhomboid
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:12 PM (bgJ0E)
I need to be friends with you and your friend.
I need to be friends with you and your friend.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 07:22 PM (C1NyB)
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But fellow Morons, don't sweat the "lady's caliber" thing
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:18 PM (QDnY+)
*runs out and buys a 5.5mm Velo-dog*
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:18 PM (QDnY+)
*runs out and buys a 5.5mm Velo-dog*
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 07:22 PM (y87Qq)
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Gonna have to dissent from the view of my dear colleague from (somewhere in the NW), Mark Andrews - on the Magtech thing.
Haven't bought much commercial ammo for years, but the Magtech I used in the past was always perfectly good. Handgun calibers. Feito no Brasil, like my Springfield 1911.
Haven't bought much commercial ammo for years, but the Magtech I used in the past was always perfectly good. Handgun calibers. Feito no Brasil, like my Springfield 1911.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:23 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2018 07:19 PM (pew7u)
My new hash seems oddly appropriate for the gun thread.
pew7u! pew7u! pew7u!
My new hash seems oddly appropriate for the gun thread.
pew7u! pew7u! pew7u!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2018 07:23 PM (pew7u)
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Just remembered yesterday is the start of a year long permit you can purchase from the Pennsylvania State Game Commission to use one of their public shooting ranges. If you have a State hunting license you can use them with that. I was thinking of doing it to fire my musket . It last year was $30 and lasts a calendar year from June 30.
Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2018 07:23 PM (pHfeF)
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But I am coming to Texas and Utah for suppressor business work later this month. Cannot wait. I love Texas, even got the tattoo.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (bgJ0E)
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Gun review #1: The good.
Star BM 8 round 9mm.
So I celebrated having new job by, of course, buying more guns when I already have a storage and shooting problem for the collection I already have. But I digress.
The gun came in clean and looking good, a few scratches on the exterior aside and the front sight needs some nail polish for visibility and to cut down on a strange 'bright' spot on the right side of the front blade.
The gun feels good in hand, very good. It was VERY accurate, surprising me. Not as good as a Tokarev or a Makarov but very good groups. (Ammo was Fiocchi 115 HPs for both guns)
Take down was easy, re-assembly...not so much. God, I'm spoiled by how easy Glocks and Springfield XDs disassemble and reassemble. I had to rattle and wiggle the pistol to get the slide stop reinserted. I'm really not a fan of the 'remove slide stop' disassembly, even on my CZs.
But the gun was fun to shoot. It's a great range toy and I'd even reccomend it as a carry gun if you don't mind having just 8 rounds single action, the all-steel construction makes the the recoil very manageable. But...a double stack Glock 19 pistol will easily double the capacity and weigh less.
One warning, this gun will hammer bite you. Especially if you want to fire it like a 1911, 'riding' the safety. The beavertail is too short to really let you choke up on the pistol and I do not have large hands.
So...yeah, overall good. I'm liking the Star BM.
Star BM 8 round 9mm.
So I celebrated having new job by, of course, buying more guns when I already have a storage and shooting problem for the collection I already have. But I digress.
The gun came in clean and looking good, a few scratches on the exterior aside and the front sight needs some nail polish for visibility and to cut down on a strange 'bright' spot on the right side of the front blade.
The gun feels good in hand, very good. It was VERY accurate, surprising me. Not as good as a Tokarev or a Makarov but very good groups. (Ammo was Fiocchi 115 HPs for both guns)
Take down was easy, re-assembly...not so much. God, I'm spoiled by how easy Glocks and Springfield XDs disassemble and reassemble. I had to rattle and wiggle the pistol to get the slide stop reinserted. I'm really not a fan of the 'remove slide stop' disassembly, even on my CZs.
But the gun was fun to shoot. It's a great range toy and I'd even reccomend it as a carry gun if you don't mind having just 8 rounds single action, the all-steel construction makes the the recoil very manageable. But...a double stack Glock 19 pistol will easily double the capacity and weigh less.
One warning, this gun will hammer bite you. Especially if you want to fire it like a 1911, 'riding' the safety. The beavertail is too short to really let you choke up on the pistol and I do not have large hands.
So...yeah, overall good. I'm liking the Star BM.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
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Eric, I have some of that 135-grain Gold Dot for my snubs. Was surprised to see how it did on the LuckyGunner gel tests, but I'm sure it's OK. The LCR, on the other hand, I found incredibly unpleasant, even with standard pressure factory reloads.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:25 PM (QDnY+)
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Well, he did pull his gun out and start cleaning it too...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:20 PM (kufk0)
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Ah, not to worry then! This was simply an instructional video, not one with a more........nefarious purpose.....
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:20 PM (kufk0)
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Ah, not to worry then! This was simply an instructional video, not one with a more........nefarious purpose.....
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 01, 2018 07:25 PM (I16G8)
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Yay, gun thread!! Mrs. OReno and I love our Ruger GP-100. She has a nice blued 4" barreled model, and I have the 5" in Stainless. Shoot nice and fun.
Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 01, 2018 07:25 PM (2sCft)
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NZF, I asked this of you a few gun threads ago, but you may have missed it, or I missed your reply.
A few years ago on a very good gun forum some guy from your neck of the South Pacific posted photos/descriptions of his CZ collection.
Everything they ever made, including machine guns.
It was stunning.
Friend of yours? You??!
A few years ago on a very good gun forum some guy from your neck of the South Pacific posted photos/descriptions of his CZ collection.
Everything they ever made, including machine guns.
It was stunning.
Friend of yours? You??!
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:26 PM (QDnY+)
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46 Gonna have to dissent from the view of my dear colleague from (somewhere in the NW), Mark Andrews - on the Magtech thing.
Haven't bought much commercial ammo for years, but the Magtech I used in the past was always perfectly good. Handgun calibers. Feito no Brasil, like my Springfield 1911.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:23 PM (QDnY+)
You're lucky then.
I will say it fires fine, no feeding or real reliability problems (unlike Tulamaxx) but the lot I have is very dirty and I've had several underpowered rounds. Not full squibs but worrisome for me.
But yeah, I'm just one data point
Haven't bought much commercial ammo for years, but the Magtech I used in the past was always perfectly good. Handgun calibers. Feito no Brasil, like my Springfield 1911.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:23 PM (QDnY+)
You're lucky then.
I will say it fires fine, no feeding or real reliability problems (unlike Tulamaxx) but the lot I have is very dirty and I've had several underpowered rounds. Not full squibs but worrisome for me.
But yeah, I'm just one data point
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:26 PM (xJa6I)
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I think if I were in proximity of a for real brown bear, I have no idea how I would perform.
How would you train for that?
How would you train for that?
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at July 01, 2018 07:28 PM (w7KSn)
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NZFrank,
A friend's son was down there for about a year a while back.
Guiding out of a lodge that is run by a Mowri (sp? ).
They want him back real bad but the pay isn't worth the hassles.
Plus he's finished up his dual degrees in Wildlife Mgmt and business.
He did say it was a hunting and fishing paradise.
A friend's son was down there for about a year a while back.
Guiding out of a lodge that is run by a Mowri (sp? ).
They want him back real bad but the pay isn't worth the hassles.
Plus he's finished up his dual degrees in Wildlife Mgmt and business.
He did say it was a hunting and fishing paradise.
Posted by: teej at July 01, 2018 07:28 PM (Z7oqE)
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NZFrank,
where in Texas?
where in Texas?
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:28 PM (kufk0)
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I need to be friends with you and your friend.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 07:22 PM (C1NyB)
Sure, I'm a friendly guy. Just heavily armed, very heavily armed. I am sure y'all will love my zombie plan. I can give away rifles to people who have not planned ahead. Then I go " oh you want ammo to go with that ? How much gold and how many daughters do you have?"
Lord of the wasteland in 3 weeks.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 07:22 PM (C1NyB)
Sure, I'm a friendly guy. Just heavily armed, very heavily armed. I am sure y'all will love my zombie plan. I can give away rifles to people who have not planned ahead. Then I go " oh you want ammo to go with that ? How much gold and how many daughters do you have?"
Lord of the wasteland in 3 weeks.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
Heavily armed is fine.
You're not going to make us call you "Lord Humungous," are you?
Heavily armed is fine.
You're not going to make us call you "Lord Humungous," are you?
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 07:30 PM (C1NyB)
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This Lord Frank is a reasonable man ...
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:31 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: vm pimping new & sale horde books at July 01, 2018 07:31 PM (hMwEB)
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Nice picture of a couple of ARs with a dog with Mutt Muffs, on the right 4 pictures down.
https://www.laceycaroline.com
The girl was featured a few months back in the NRA magazine, 1st Freedom., in the section called NRA Country
https://www.laceycaroline.com
The girl was featured a few months back in the NRA magazine, 1st Freedom., in the section called NRA Country
Posted by: Edd Zachary at July 01, 2018 07:31 PM (Ddkdj)
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Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 07:31 PM (yQpMk)
More proof of the theory that the Horde mind is a hive mind......
More proof of the theory that the Horde mind is a hive mind......
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 07:32 PM (C1NyB)
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Well, he did pull his gun out and start cleaning it too...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:20 PM
* Recalls a particularly enjoyable scene with the GySgt and recruits marching in their barracks from Full Metal Jacket ... *
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:20 PM
* Recalls a particularly enjoyable scene with the GySgt and recruits marching in their barracks from Full Metal Jacket ... *
Posted by: Shep at July 01, 2018 07:32 PM (DMUuz)
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Hypothetically it depends on your purpose. For targets any plinking ammo will do although I favor 38 wadcutters for that. Even in a 357 Redhawk, which makes the GP100 look like a toy, it shines with those wadcutters.
For more potent purposes I would go with lighter bullets, usually semiwadcutters, at higher velocity or the traditional 158 grain cast or jacketed. They have over a century of proving how deadly they are and won't leave you permanently deaf if shot without hearing protection in an emergency.
That's my hypothetical opinion, for what it's worth.
For more potent purposes I would go with lighter bullets, usually semiwadcutters, at higher velocity or the traditional 158 grain cast or jacketed. They have over a century of proving how deadly they are and won't leave you permanently deaf if shot without hearing protection in an emergency.
That's my hypothetical opinion, for what it's worth.
Posted by: JTB at July 01, 2018 07:32 PM (V+03K)
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My dad had the original Great War Tupperware. Wooden box, brass latch. Leather handle.
I wonder whatever happened to it.
I wonder whatever happened to it.
Posted by: JAS at July 01, 2018 07:35 PM (3HNOQ)
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Sicario 2 is really good. If you like the first, see it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 01, 2018 07:36 PM (pV/54)
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lin-duh, I will be in Dallas and moving around that general area visiting gun related people I hope. Visiting my mates range in UT so I can sort out his templating trace and some targetry issues.
rhomboid, I do have most of the CZ stuff but I have not posted pics anywhere, persec you know. My VB37 heavy is an absolute engineering work of art. Even the belts are superbly made.
rhomboid, I do have most of the CZ stuff but I have not posted pics anywhere, persec you know. My VB37 heavy is an absolute engineering work of art. Even the belts are superbly made.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:36 PM (bgJ0E)
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Gun review #2: The bad and arguably ugly
The Zastava M88
I got the Star BM AND the Zastava M88 from Classic Firearms for about $200 a piece. The Star BM was a bargain. This one is dangerous to rely on and not reccomended.
It looks fine, sort of like what might happen if a Tokarev and a 1911 had a baby. With wooden grips. NOT that there's anything wrong with that...
Let me give some good points first. The safety was easy to actuate, the sights easy to pick up and...it's....cheap. That's it.
Despite being a single action pistol, the trigger here is long, heavy and inconsistent. Not a trigger for precision work but MAYBE functional for military usage. It made it hard for me to get good groups, in sharp contrast to the Star BM.
The real death knell for the pistol was the magazine. It keeps ejecting with every shot fired. It wasn't me pressing the release button, it did with one handed, left hand and right hand. Every. Single. Round. It's a single shot pistol, as now.
It is possible the problem is the magazine itself, maybe I can monkey with it but I'm very disappointed. I quit trying to shoot it and switched to the Ruger P90 for the rest of the range session.
Sometimes $200 isn't a bargain, sometimes it's just $200 lost.
The Zastava M88
I got the Star BM AND the Zastava M88 from Classic Firearms for about $200 a piece. The Star BM was a bargain. This one is dangerous to rely on and not reccomended.
It looks fine, sort of like what might happen if a Tokarev and a 1911 had a baby. With wooden grips. NOT that there's anything wrong with that...
Let me give some good points first. The safety was easy to actuate, the sights easy to pick up and...it's....cheap. That's it.
Despite being a single action pistol, the trigger here is long, heavy and inconsistent. Not a trigger for precision work but MAYBE functional for military usage. It made it hard for me to get good groups, in sharp contrast to the Star BM.
The real death knell for the pistol was the magazine. It keeps ejecting with every shot fired. It wasn't me pressing the release button, it did with one handed, left hand and right hand. Every. Single. Round. It's a single shot pistol, as now.
It is possible the problem is the magazine itself, maybe I can monkey with it but I'm very disappointed. I quit trying to shoot it and switched to the Ruger P90 for the rest of the range session.
Sometimes $200 isn't a bargain, sometimes it's just $200 lost.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:36 PM (xJa6I)
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>>>Hypothetically speaking. If you have a hypothetical friend with a
hypothetical Ruger GP-100 .357 who wants to shoot hypothetical .38
Special rounds, what would you recommend if you hypothetically shot this
particular round?<<<
Hypothetically,
I'd target practice with 110 gr. .38 special +P and shoot with 158 gr. .357 Mag. in my hypothetical 6" revolver.
Consider wear and tear on your body and your tool, power, comfort and
recovery speed between shots, and cost.
hypothetical Ruger GP-100 .357 who wants to shoot hypothetical .38
Special rounds, what would you recommend if you hypothetically shot this
particular round?<<<
Hypothetically,
I'd target practice with 110 gr. .38 special +P and shoot with 158 gr. .357 Mag. in my hypothetical 6" revolver.
Consider wear and tear on your body and your tool, power, comfort and
recovery speed between shots, and cost.
Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2018 07:36 PM (J7XgW)
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That funny right there.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:38 PM (bgJ0E)
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So...yeah, overall good. I'm liking the Star BM.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
Thanks MAE! I saw two of these old gems in a gun shop in my AO and I was gonna bite but put it off being a cheap dumb ass that week.
Think I will have to go back and get one now as I have always liked Star's products, the good and the bad.
Now to find an Astra 300 out there in Candy Land.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
Thanks MAE! I saw two of these old gems in a gun shop in my AO and I was gonna bite but put it off being a cheap dumb ass that week.
Think I will have to go back and get one now as I have always liked Star's products, the good and the bad.
Now to find an Astra 300 out there in Candy Land.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 01, 2018 07:38 PM (EoRCO)
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Ruger 9mm carbine and matching pistol.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM (iiixZ)
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NZFrank, thanks. Well you certainly are in the same class as that guy, what with your belt-fed toy collection. Very impressive.
Have only spent a month down your way (most of it on the South Island trying to maim or kill myself in the usual ways with various outdoor adventures), but of course loved it.
Don't think gun ownership is encouraged or widespread. You obviously have a professional involvement, so different world for you.
Have only spent a month down your way (most of it on the South Island trying to maim or kill myself in the usual ways with various outdoor adventures), but of course loved it.
Don't think gun ownership is encouraged or widespread. You obviously have a professional involvement, so different world for you.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM (QDnY+)
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Sicario 2 is really good. If you like the first, see it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 01, 2018 07:36 PM (pV/54)
I'll put it on the list*, thanks for the recommendation.
* looks like I may get to it in 2025ish
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 01, 2018 07:36 PM (pV/54)
I'll put it on the list*, thanks for the recommendation.
* looks like I may get to it in 2025ish
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM (y87Qq)
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>>>Loaded for bear, both black and brown.
I cannot deny the fact of toxic ursinity and ursine privilege. Therefore I support putting an end to it by any means, even though I myself am a person of ursine. I am so ashamed of how my people have behaved.
I cannot deny the fact of toxic ursinity and ursine privilege. Therefore I support putting an end to it by any means, even though I myself am a person of ursine. I am so ashamed of how my people have behaved.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 01, 2018 07:42 PM (/qEW2)
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74 Ruger 9mm carbine and matching pistol.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM (iiixZ)
Do it.
Do it. You gotta do it.
It's not a really lightweight carbine but it's getting great reviews. If I didn't already have a Sub2000, I'd buy one myself.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM (iiixZ)
Do it.
Do it. You gotta do it.
It's not a really lightweight carbine but it's getting great reviews. If I didn't already have a Sub2000, I'd buy one myself.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:43 PM (xJa6I)
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If you eliminated everybody who speaks authoritatively about a topic they know little about, the internet would be a much smaller place.
Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2018 07:46 PM (sdi6R)
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Gun ownership is in our DNA, its just that we have a filthy leftie media, a Coalition of Losers govt, and a increasing anti-gun police force. We are being invaded by senior English police officers on retirement postings, who cannot believe we have lots of guns and therefore coming from the UK "something must be done. For the children."
Get out of the cities and you were find that we are really the biggest bunch of bubbas you will find. Guns everywhere. We were called the Prussia of the South about a 100 years ago.
Get out of the cities and you were find that we are really the biggest bunch of bubbas you will find. Guns everywhere. We were called the Prussia of the South about a 100 years ago.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:46 PM (bgJ0E)
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#Failifornia at its most predictable
yesterday was the deadline to register your "assault weapons", assuming you didn't render them "featureless" and/or are stupid enough to tell the fascists you own such a thing, so them can demand them when the get around to making them illegal... as they did when they said a certain type of SKS was legal, if registered, then changed their mind and said "turn them over suckers!"
pro tip: if you still have something they think you shouldn't, just separate the upper and lower, and presto, it's legal.
details here:
https://www.crpa.org/crpa-news/ca-dojs-assault
-weapon-registration-webpage-crashing/
yesterday was the deadline to register your "assault weapons", assuming you didn't render them "featureless" and/or are stupid enough to tell the fascists you own such a thing, so them can demand them when the get around to making them illegal... as they did when they said a certain type of SKS was legal, if registered, then changed their mind and said "turn them over suckers!"
pro tip: if you still have something they think you shouldn't, just separate the upper and lower, and presto, it's legal.
details here:
https://www.crpa.org/crpa-news/ca-dojs-assault
-weapon-registration-webpage-crashing/
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2018 07:47 PM (dpKGV)
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I have a GP100 with a 6 inch barrel and a S&W65 with a 4 inch barrel. I reload both 357 and 38. With the various loads I have tried; where accuracy is concerned, the Ruger likes 38+P 125 grain bullets the best and the S&W likes 357 158 grain semi-wad cutters the best. Every gun is unique in terms of what it digests best. At least tht has been my experience. My Winchester 1894 model is most accurate with any 357 load I create.
Posted by: colfax mingo at July 01, 2018 07:49 PM (t78V7)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
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I saw the Solo 'movie'.
1. It was a serial, not a movie
2. The grrl power stupidity insisted on itself (every episode had to have a kickass!!grrl in it, who would subsequently get herself blasted into component particles)
3. L3 the marxist rob-ette was tiresome, fortunately it/she got dismembered too
4. What the fuck is Darth Maul doing here? He'd got himself cut to bits in the first movie when it was a (failing) Republic. But this is supposed to be Imperial times.
Besides that I thought it was the best of the three NuWars movies so far (I haven't seen The Last Jedi). I cared about some of the characters who got shot and/or disassembled. It was funny. I liked how young Han's plans always fuck up until the end - so, there's a real character arc here. He also gets more Harrison Ford like toward the end.
1. It was a serial, not a movie
2. The grrl power stupidity insisted on itself (every episode had to have a kickass!!grrl in it, who would subsequently get herself blasted into component particles)
3. L3 the marxist rob-ette was tiresome, fortunately it/she got dismembered too
4. What the fuck is Darth Maul doing here? He'd got himself cut to bits in the first movie when it was a (failing) Republic. But this is supposed to be Imperial times.
Besides that I thought it was the best of the three NuWars movies so far (I haven't seen The Last Jedi). I cared about some of the characters who got shot and/or disassembled. It was funny. I liked how young Han's plans always fuck up until the end - so, there's a real character arc here. He also gets more Harrison Ford like toward the end.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 01, 2018 07:51 PM (6FqZa)
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...speaking of Star BM . . .
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 01, 2018 07:52 PM (6FqZa)
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Guns kill peeples and government and police should be thw only ones with these things !!! Them therwood bee no murders or robberires. Hilllery would have donne this, but no you losers had to vote for Trump !!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 07:53 PM (qM84C)
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federal hydrashock 129 gr .38+p would be my choice. A little more juice than than a standard .38, but not the bone crushing (in a little gp100 frame) full bore .357 load.
Posted by: StephanA at July 01, 2018 07:53 PM (ffv4o)
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Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2018 07:36 PM (J7XgW)
If I had that hypothetical friend I'm sure he/she would say thank you Fritz.
If I had that hypothetical friend I'm sure he/she would say thank you Fritz.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 01, 2018 07:54 PM (3Pma+)
Posted by: ArthurK at July 01, 2018 07:54 PM (O29hh)
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86 Guns kill peeples and government and police should be thw only ones with these things !!! Them therwood bee no murders or robberires. Hilllery would have donne this, but no you losers had to vote for Trump !!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 07:53 PM (qM84C)
Yep. Trump is President and we have all the killer guns.
Have another shot of maple syrup, Mary and let that digest.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 07:53 PM (qM84C)
Yep. Trump is President and we have all the killer guns.
Have another shot of maple syrup, Mary and let that digest.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:55 PM (xJa6I)
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85 ...speaking of Star BM . . .
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 01, 2018 07:52 PM (6FqZa)
Buy one. Watch out for hammer bite but get one.
I was reluctant but I'm glad I bought it.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 01, 2018 07:52 PM (6FqZa)
Buy one. Watch out for hammer bite but get one.
I was reluctant but I'm glad I bought it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:56 PM (xJa6I)
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83 20 round mag? How effing cool is that?
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My shoulder hurts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
Not Mike Effing Hammer!!!
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My shoulder hurts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
Not Mike Effing Hammer!!!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 01, 2018 07:57 PM (3Pma+)
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We are being invaded by senior English police officers on retirement postings, who cannot believe we have lots of guns and therefore coming from the UK "something must be done. For the children."
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:46 PM (bgJ0E)
That's got to be irritating, especially if the electorate at large just buys in to it and doesn't have any or know anyone who does. You guys have graduated "tiers" of licensing, is that right?
Also, with all respect, I have to ask... would you say that the politicians are trying to steal your Precious?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:46 PM (bgJ0E)
That's got to be irritating, especially if the electorate at large just buys in to it and doesn't have any or know anyone who does. You guys have graduated "tiers" of licensing, is that right?
Also, with all respect, I have to ask... would you say that the politicians are trying to steal your Precious?
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 07:57 PM (y87Qq)
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OK question time for Lone Star peeps. Best, biggest, etc gun shop in the Dallas FtW area? One that has actual items in store? I will be mobile when there this month so can travel within reason. Ta muchly in advance.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 08:02 PM (bgJ0E)
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My shoulder hurts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
MY shoulder hurt looking at that .50 Alaska. Jeez..
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
MY shoulder hurt looking at that .50 Alaska. Jeez..
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 08:02 PM (O6aUz)
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Sorry to hear about your problem with the M88. Do you know if it is the gun or the magazine that is at fault?
I'm thinking of getting an M57 from that same site. Seems like a fun range gun. Just found not-expensive surplus ammo for it at MarStar...
I'm thinking of getting an M57 from that same site. Seems like a fun range gun. Just found not-expensive surplus ammo for it at MarStar...
Posted by: ArthurK at July 01, 2018 08:02 PM (O29hh)
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For years, I searched for a Ruger PC9 carbine. I found one and bought it about 6 months before Ruger came out with the new carbine. Talk about bad timing on my part. Hell, I guess I'll just have to get the new one. Mrs. Oldgeezer will probably understand ---- NOT.
Posted by: oldgeezer at July 01, 2018 08:03 PM (4pPcl)
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I'd love to see this analysis.
Legally owned guns are [less likely] [more likely] to kill someone than an "average" automobile.
My bet is on the under.
I'd bet I'm right even if you include illegal guns.
Legally owned guns are [less likely] [more likely] to kill someone than an "average" automobile.
My bet is on the under.
I'd bet I'm right even if you include illegal guns.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 01, 2018 08:03 PM (pV/54)
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Lord of the wasteland in 3 weeks.
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You'll need plenty of ice hockey equipment then, Frank. Maybe we can do a deal? (Unless that's only required in post-nuke war Oz?)
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You'll need plenty of ice hockey equipment then, Frank. Maybe we can do a deal? (Unless that's only required in post-nuke war Oz?)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 01, 2018 08:03 PM (Evws/)
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96 Sorry to hear about your problem with the M88. Do you know if it is the gun or the magazine that is at fault?
I'm thinking of getting an M57 from that same site. Seems like a fun range gun. Just found not-expensive surplus ammo for it at MarStar...
Posted by: ArthurK at July 01, 2018 08:02 PM (O29hh)
Based in 'internet research' it may be the magazine. But looking at the mag, it looks fine. Unused, in fact. It's not mangled or anything.
I have a support call in to Classic Firearms to see how much help I can expect from them. I'm not going to spend more money on this pistol if I can help it.
I'm thinking of getting an M57 from that same site. Seems like a fun range gun. Just found not-expensive surplus ammo for it at MarStar...
Posted by: ArthurK at July 01, 2018 08:02 PM (O29hh)
Based in 'internet research' it may be the magazine. But looking at the mag, it looks fine. Unused, in fact. It's not mangled or anything.
I have a support call in to Classic Firearms to see how much help I can expect from them. I'm not going to spend more money on this pistol if I can help it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 08:05 PM (xJa6I)
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My shoulder hurts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
MY shoulder hurt looking at that .50 Alaska. Jeez..
Posted by: MarkY
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It might be the distinction between 'hurt', and 'injured'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
MY shoulder hurt looking at that .50 Alaska. Jeez..
Posted by: MarkY
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It might be the distinction between 'hurt', and 'injured'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 08:05 PM (R+Cqa)
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Heh. Sat signal just went out. Something nasty this way comes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 08:06 PM (R+Cqa)
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Im hypothetically going to make a hypothetical home defense gun out of m hypothetical Remington 870. 12 gauge
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:06 PM (2CQCl)
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103 Im hypothetically going to make a hypothetical home defense gun out of m hypothetical Remington 870. 12 gauge
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:06 PM (2CQCl)
It should hypothetically work just fine, Bob.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:06 PM (2CQCl)
It should hypothetically work just fine, Bob.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 08:07 PM (xJa6I)
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101 My shoulder hurts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
But in a good way right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
But in a good way right?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:08 PM (2CQCl)
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So, continuing a discussion few days ago with Tom Servo and SmackMyHead, what would be the best option to conceal a Ruger LCP on a leg holster? Something like the Bug Bite? The number 1 consideration must be complete concealment, no printing. Number 2 is that it can never ever fall out of the holster.
Posted by: clutch at July 01, 2018 08:08 PM (kiSdp)
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Sorry Hogmartin , cross post. For the most part gun ownership is a vote loser if you threaten it as a politican/cv*t . But they are like rust and never sleep. There is push back by most shooters against any overt gun grabbing bollacks, but the schools are the problem. Few male teachers so kids, unless rural, have no exposure to shooting. The most southern province basically shuts down for opening duck shooting weekend and the big gun stores radio advertise all the time, and a lot of small tv shows are now into the NZ hunting and fishing. The cities are blank on guns and for the most part apathetic unless the media stirs the pot.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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74 Ruger 9mm carbine and matching pistol.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM (iiixZ)
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Switch out the magwell to the Glock compatible one and pair it with a Glock 17 or Glock 19. Winner!
I want a PC carbine so bad, but it has to wait until after I get an AR-15. I own a couple of AK's but no AR's, so I have to fix that.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM (iiixZ)
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Switch out the magwell to the Glock compatible one and pair it with a Glock 17 or Glock 19. Winner!
I want a PC carbine so bad, but it has to wait until after I get an AR-15. I own a couple of AK's but no AR's, so I have to fix that.
Posted by: Guzalot at July 01, 2018 08:10 PM (schB/)
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Im hypothetically going to make a hypothetical home defense gun out of m hypothetical Remington 870. 12 gauge
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:06 PM
A review of the literature reveals a statistically-significant number of successful studies regarding this.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:06 PM
A review of the literature reveals a statistically-significant number of successful studies regarding this.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2018 08:11 PM (DMUuz)
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GP 100's ideally use jacketed or plated bullets--the forcing cone angle is a bit different (shallower) than S&W or Colt and is designed to shoot these.
That being said, plated 148 gr. Berry DEWC wadcutters shoot very--very accurately. Lead wadcutters can do so as well but whether or not you get significant leading in the barrel if you shoot more than a box depends on your particular "Jeep".
If you do have bore leading, suggest the Lewis Lead removal tool as superior to almost anything to remove lead without noxious solvents.
Harder linotype bullets lead less than dead soft lead bullets.
Hypothetically.
That being said, plated 148 gr. Berry DEWC wadcutters shoot very--very accurately. Lead wadcutters can do so as well but whether or not you get significant leading in the barrel if you shoot more than a box depends on your particular "Jeep".
If you do have bore leading, suggest the Lewis Lead removal tool as superior to almost anything to remove lead without noxious solvents.
Harder linotype bullets lead less than dead soft lead bullets.
Hypothetically.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2018 08:11 PM (jWFXC)
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BTW, it's "Maori" whoever asked above. Sorry, on tablet so pita to scroll around to backcheck.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 01, 2018 08:11 PM (Evws/)
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A review of the literature reveals a statistically-significant number of successful studies regarding this.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2018 08:11 PM (DMUuz)
Tthe science is setteled then
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2018 08:11 PM (DMUuz)
Tthe science is setteled then
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:13 PM (2CQCl)
113
A hockey mask eh? Might go with the surprise sex van, but apart from that no thanks. What else can you trade? I do a nice line in restraints.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 08:13 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: ibguy at July 01, 2018 08:15 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 01, 2018 08:16 PM (Evws/)
116
Is that you Emma?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
117
Every time i come here i want more guns.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:18 PM (2CQCl)
118
OT-"-Daily Mail" reporting that That man responsible for starting wildfires in CO that burned 38,000 acres and caused hundreds to flee burned homes is an illegal migrant-Jesper Joergensen. Was taken into custody by ICE. And the Democrats want open borders and have no problem with people overstaying their Visas. Please, Colorado-vote for candidates that support ICE.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2018 08:19 PM (AllCR)
119
Nobody uses beaver oil anymore. It's been displaced by synthetic CBD oil.
Posted by: f'd at July 01, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
120
Yumpin' Yimmny, Jesper Joergensen.!
Posted by: andycanuck at July 01, 2018 08:22 PM (Evws/)
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119 Nobody uses beaver oil anymore. It's been displaced by synthetic CBD oil.
Posted by: f'd at July 01, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
Shhhh don't tell andycanuck, he just gone long on the market,
Posted by: f'd at July 01, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
Shhhh don't tell andycanuck, he just gone long on the market,
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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119 Nobody uses beaver oil anymore. It's been displaced by synthetic CBD oil.
Posted by: f'd at July 01, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
Dilldo makes gun oil?
Posted by: f'd at July 01, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
Dilldo makes gun oil?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 01, 2018 08:23 PM (2CQCl)
123
The greasier the easier, as matron used to say. Let the piston go in and out.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 08:25 PM (bgJ0E)
124
Ruger 9mm carbine and matching pistol.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM
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Bought the Ruger PC Carbine and am waiting on the Glock 19. The Carbine is a hoot but I have only shot 90 rounds through it.
Thoughts?
They share the same magazine(s). I'm considering a matched set.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 07:39 PM
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Bought the Ruger PC Carbine and am waiting on the Glock 19. The Carbine is a hoot but I have only shot 90 rounds through it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 01, 2018 08:26 PM (+Dllb)
125
Chainsaw bayonet is what every Arborist needs. The AR for the killer squirrels and the bayonet for efficiency.
Posted by: X-ray at July 01, 2018 08:28 PM (XzZJI)
126
An Uzi on full auto works for small trees.
Posted by: Weasel at July 01, 2018 08:33 PM (lQPdk)
127
Hairyback Guy,
If your Carcano fires a true 8x57 Mauser cartridge (aka 7.9) mm then it was "probably" converted either from a 7.35 or 6.5 Carcano.
Forum posting that you might find useful regarding these on Gunboards.com As you say, a lot of speculation but not much firm knowledge.
https://forums.gunboards.com/archive/index.php/t-4466.html has citations and some guidance on markings.
Another useful Carcano website that has been around for a long time
http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/
If your Carcano fires a true 8x57 Mauser cartridge (aka 7.9) mm then it was "probably" converted either from a 7.35 or 6.5 Carcano.
Forum posting that you might find useful regarding these on Gunboards.com As you say, a lot of speculation but not much firm knowledge.
https://forums.gunboards.com/archive/index.php/t-4466.html has citations and some guidance on markings.
Another useful Carcano website that has been around for a long time
http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (jWFXC)
128
If you run across any 'abolish ICE' protestors, remind them that it means affordable, abundant, full auto AK-47s being imported into our country.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (kDNJ+)
129
Thanks for the help out on the spelling andyc.
Posted by: teej at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (Z7oqE)
130
I use Hornady Critical duty in my large frame pistols, Critical Defense in the smaller frames. Both cycle well in my semiautos. Not a consideration for a revolver, obviously, but they show excellent uniformity and accuracy as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (OkKDg)
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 08:35 PM (kufk0)
132
Nobody uses beaver oil anymore. It's been displaced by synthetic CBD oil.
Posted by: f'd at July 01, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
There's no such thing as beaver oil.
Trust me, I'm an expert.
Nobody uses beaver oil anymore. It's been displaced by synthetic CBD oil.
Posted by: f'd at July 01, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
There's no such thing as beaver oil.
Trust me, I'm an expert.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2018 08:35 PM (eXA4G)
133
Dear AoSHQ Gun Thread,
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:05 PM (kufk0)
Depends. What was he cleaning his gun with and did he tell you that was what he was doing?
Today I walked in on my husband watching video's of other men cleaning their guns. Should I be worried???
signed,
confused in Texas
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 07:05 PM (kufk0)
Depends. What was he cleaning his gun with and did he tell you that was what he was doing?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 01, 2018 08:35 PM (9BLnV)
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128 If you run across any 'abolish ICE' protestors, remind them that it means affordable, abundant, full auto AK-47s being imported into our country.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (kDNJ+)
Hmm. *ponders*
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (kDNJ+)
Hmm. *ponders*
Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2018 08:36 PM (sdi6R)
135
59 Sure, I'm a friendly guy. Just heavily armed, very heavily armed. I am sure y'all will love my zombie plan. I can give away rifles to people who have not planned ahead. Then I go " oh you want ammo to go with that ? How much gold and how many daughters do you have?"
Lord of the wasteland in 3 weeks.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
Will you also distribute colander face-masks?
Lord of the wasteland in 3 weeks.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
Will you also distribute colander face-masks?
Posted by: antisocial super-elite beatnik at July 01, 2018 08:36 PM (NL6wI)
136
131 An Uzi on full auto works for small trees.
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True, but it's cheaper to use a day laborer...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 08:35 PM (kufk0)
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True. The Uzi method is about $25 per tree.
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True, but it's cheaper to use a day laborer...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 08:35 PM (kufk0)
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True. The Uzi method is about $25 per tree.
Posted by: Weasel at July 01, 2018 08:36 PM (lQPdk)
137
I don't know what guns or calibers you guys are talking about but there's no such thing.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 01, 2018 08:37 PM (2DOZq)
138
There's no such thing as beaver oil.
Trust me, I'm an expert.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2018 08:35 PM (eXA4G)
I just use baby oil when I'm lubing up the old beaver.
Trust me, I'm an expert.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2018 08:35 PM (eXA4G)
I just use baby oil when I'm lubing up the old beaver.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 01, 2018 08:37 PM (9BLnV)
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" ... what would you recommend if you hypothetically shot this particular round?"
1. Shoot a lot of wad-cutter & semi-wadcutter rounds: cheap, low recoil ... makes development of accuracy easier. Move up to higher power loads later. Further, there are a couple of YouTube videos that make the case that wad cutters and SWCs actually make very good defense loads: just enough power, but much more controllable and quicker to shoot accurately a second & third & fourth time ... I think these guys might be correct.
2. Shoot double-action only. There are a couple of YouTube videos that make the case that DAO really is a better choice than first pulling the hammer back with a thumb. I think these guys might be correct.
3. Shoot single handed as well as with both hands.
and
4. Shoot weak hand as well as strong hand
... if things suddenly go wrong, you never know how you will be holding the firearm.
5. Develop strong hand technique, accuracy, etc. first, but don't wait too long to develop weak hand ability.
6. Develop any and all draw techniques AT HOME, with good privacy, with an unloaded firearm, and potentially with a couple of speedloaders of snap caps. Verify this.
" ... what would you recommend if you hypothetically shot this particular round?"
1. Shoot a lot of wad-cutter & semi-wadcutter rounds: cheap, low recoil ... makes development of accuracy easier. Move up to higher power loads later. Further, there are a couple of YouTube videos that make the case that wad cutters and SWCs actually make very good defense loads: just enough power, but much more controllable and quicker to shoot accurately a second & third & fourth time ... I think these guys might be correct.
2. Shoot double-action only. There are a couple of YouTube videos that make the case that DAO really is a better choice than first pulling the hammer back with a thumb. I think these guys might be correct.
3. Shoot single handed as well as with both hands.
and
4. Shoot weak hand as well as strong hand
... if things suddenly go wrong, you never know how you will be holding the firearm.
5. Develop strong hand technique, accuracy, etc. first, but don't wait too long to develop weak hand ability.
6. Develop any and all draw techniques AT HOME, with good privacy, with an unloaded firearm, and potentially with a couple of speedloaders of snap caps. Verify this.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 01, 2018 08:37 PM (FlRtG)
140
An Uzi on full auto works for small trees.
Posted by: Weasel at July 01, 2018 08:33 PM (lQPdk)
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A Mossberg 590A1 at about 10 feet works well for this too......not quite as much fun though.
Posted by: Weasel at July 01, 2018 08:33 PM (lQPdk)
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A Mossberg 590A1 at about 10 feet works well for this too......not quite as much fun though.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 01, 2018 08:37 PM (I16G8)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 01, 2018 08:40 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 01, 2018 08:41 PM (Evws/)
143
On one of these Hollywood gun shows they did test to see how accurate the scene in Predator was where they mowed down the forest with the mini gat.
Not many trees knocked down but had a lot of leaves with holes.
Not many trees knocked down but had a lot of leaves with holes.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (2DOZq)
144
130 I use Hornady Critical duty in my large frame pistols, Critical Defense in the smaller frames. Both cycle well in my semiautos. Not a consideration for a revolver, obviously, but they show excellent uniformity and accuracy as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (OkKDg)
I've used Speer Gold Dots for my 9mm defensive pistols for years. But when I got my TX LTC a couple of years back, I wanted a 9mm singlestack for concealed carry. Went with the Kahr CW9. VERY pleased with it, except for one thing. It hangs up about every other round with the GDs. Something about the bullet ogive just perfectly matches with the chamber to lock the gun up when loading.
Once I realized that the bullet profile was the problem, I tried the Hornady Critical Duty and Defense rounds, and the pointed bullet in both variants fed perfectly in the Kahr. Currently have the Critical Duty +P, but that's mainly because they were available at the time.
Funny how some guns are picky.
130 I use Hornady Critical duty in my large frame pistols, Critical Defense in the smaller frames. Both cycle well in my semiautos. Not a consideration for a revolver, obviously, but they show excellent uniformity and accuracy as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (OkKDg)
I've used Speer Gold Dots for my 9mm defensive pistols for years. But when I got my TX LTC a couple of years back, I wanted a 9mm singlestack for concealed carry. Went with the Kahr CW9. VERY pleased with it, except for one thing. It hangs up about every other round with the GDs. Something about the bullet ogive just perfectly matches with the chamber to lock the gun up when loading.
Once I realized that the bullet profile was the problem, I tried the Hornady Critical Duty and Defense rounds, and the pointed bullet in both variants fed perfectly in the Kahr. Currently have the Critical Duty +P, but that's mainly because they were available at the time.
Funny how some guns are picky.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (eXA4G)
145
An Uzi on full auto works for small trees.
Posted by: Weasel at July 01, 2018 08:33 PM
I saw Rooster Cogburn yesterday. Katherine Hepburn was trimming trees with a Gatling gun.
An Uzi on full auto works for small trees.
Posted by: Weasel at July 01, 2018 08:33 PM
I saw Rooster Cogburn yesterday. Katherine Hepburn was trimming trees with a Gatling gun.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (IqV8l)
146
What is the opinion of the horde on Inceptor ammo?
Posted by: Jb at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (MqTga)
147
89 In the coming times, it will be worth it. And I have one now and already is.
Posted by: rammajamma at July 01, 2018 08:45 PM (xceTB)
148
Lord of the wasteland in 3 weeks.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
Will you also distribute colander face-masks?
Posted by: antisocial super-elite beatnik at July 01, 2018 08:36 PM (NL6wI)
I think that that is andycanucks tasking. If he recovers from the loss he took on beaver oil futures.
Lord of the wasteland in 3 weeks.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
Will you also distribute colander face-masks?
Posted by: antisocial super-elite beatnik at July 01, 2018 08:36 PM (NL6wI)
I think that that is andycanucks tasking. If he recovers from the loss he took on beaver oil futures.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 08:46 PM (bgJ0E)
149
146 What is the opinion of the horde on Inceptor ammo?
Posted by: Jb at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (MqTga)
It's worth trying. I have a few boxes myself. Feeds fine so far. Not enough of a track record but tests against targets are solid.
Posted by: Jb at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (MqTga)
It's worth trying. I have a few boxes myself. Feeds fine so far. Not enough of a track record but tests against targets are solid.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 08:46 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 01, 2018 08:46 PM (Evws/)
151
I think if I were in proximity of a for real brown bear, I have no idea how I would perform.
How would you train for that?
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at July 01, 2018 07:28 PM (w7KSn)
Well, if you ever used to watch Yogi Bear, you would know that a PBJ sandwich can work wonders.
How would you train for that?
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at July 01, 2018 07:28 PM (w7KSn)
Well, if you ever used to watch Yogi Bear, you would know that a PBJ sandwich can work wonders.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 01, 2018 08:46 PM (9BLnV)
152
One last thing for the O/P
The old FBI special 158 gr .38+p is very mild in the GP 100--what you want is a dead soft lead bullet with a bit hotter powder load than normal. Remington and Winchester used to load this in commercial and Buffalo Bore sells a variant of it. Marshall and Sanow rated this load about comparable to .45 ACP hardball in stopping power FWIW.
If you want to step up to the .357--Corbon sells a 110 gr hollow point or the 100 gr. Powrball that have light recoil (but pretty spectacular flash and noise) and send the bullet on its way at about 1400-1500 fps (4 inch barrel) with really nasty terminal effects without over penetration. The std. 125 gr. from Remington, Winchester, and Federal .357 jacketed hollowpoint at 1400-1500 fps from the major brands also does not kick that bad in the GP but does have spectacular flash and boom. Have not fired the .357 HST rounds in this caliber but these are generally good across the board. The old Golden Saber .357 load (replaced with a more expensive bullet name) also work pretty well (except on FBI barriers with jacket separation an issue) and CDNN did have clearance prices on these
Last, but not least, Supervel which now has Corbon's Peter Pi as designer is back and has some rounds that I have not tried personally. High velocity and minimal recoil is what made Supervel famous in the day and the relaunch of the brand promises that with better bullets.
You can also handload producing a 1250 fps 125 gr .357 -P (joke) using Titegroup that works pretty well. Minimal flash and boom compared with the hotter factory 125 gr. loads.
The pipsqueak load is the old .38 special Federal Nyclad 125 gr. if you can still find it with low recoil and good expansion without leading. This is particularly good in lightweight snubbies with people that do not like much recoil. Using coated bullets, I suppose that you could use powdercoated or Hi Tech coated hollowpoints to handload a match if you wanted to.
The old FBI special 158 gr .38+p is very mild in the GP 100--what you want is a dead soft lead bullet with a bit hotter powder load than normal. Remington and Winchester used to load this in commercial and Buffalo Bore sells a variant of it. Marshall and Sanow rated this load about comparable to .45 ACP hardball in stopping power FWIW.
If you want to step up to the .357--Corbon sells a 110 gr hollow point or the 100 gr. Powrball that have light recoil (but pretty spectacular flash and noise) and send the bullet on its way at about 1400-1500 fps (4 inch barrel) with really nasty terminal effects without over penetration. The std. 125 gr. from Remington, Winchester, and Federal .357 jacketed hollowpoint at 1400-1500 fps from the major brands also does not kick that bad in the GP but does have spectacular flash and boom. Have not fired the .357 HST rounds in this caliber but these are generally good across the board. The old Golden Saber .357 load (replaced with a more expensive bullet name) also work pretty well (except on FBI barriers with jacket separation an issue) and CDNN did have clearance prices on these
Last, but not least, Supervel which now has Corbon's Peter Pi as designer is back and has some rounds that I have not tried personally. High velocity and minimal recoil is what made Supervel famous in the day and the relaunch of the brand promises that with better bullets.
You can also handload producing a 1250 fps 125 gr .357 -P (joke) using Titegroup that works pretty well. Minimal flash and boom compared with the hotter factory 125 gr. loads.
The pipsqueak load is the old .38 special Federal Nyclad 125 gr. if you can still find it with low recoil and good expansion without leading. This is particularly good in lightweight snubbies with people that do not like much recoil. Using coated bullets, I suppose that you could use powdercoated or Hi Tech coated hollowpoints to handload a match if you wanted to.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2018 08:47 PM (jWFXC)
153
Guns kill peeples and government and police should be thw only ones with these things !!! Them therwood bee no murders or robberires. Hilllery would have donne this, but no you losers had to vote for Trump !!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 07:53 PM (qM84C)
I thought the police are racist against people of coler?
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 07:53 PM (qM84C)
I thought the police are racist against people of coler?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2018 08:48 PM (SiINZ)
154
It's July the 1st. What's that mean. It means it's time to watch "Gettysburg".
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 01, 2018 08:50 PM (w+Jhj)
155
In the market for a new gun. Well, new to me. Trying to decide on another 1911 or a SMLE.
Though, I'd prefer both.
I want the SMLE to shoot in vintage rifle matches.
However, I'd really like another Kimber.
Though, for the price of a Kimber I can probably buy the SMLE and enough ammo to last for a couple of years.
Though, I'd prefer both.
I want the SMLE to shoot in vintage rifle matches.
However, I'd really like another Kimber.
Though, for the price of a Kimber I can probably buy the SMLE and enough ammo to last for a couple of years.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at July 01, 2018 08:50 PM (WEBkv)
156
What is the opinion of the horde on Inceptor ammo?
Posted by: Jb at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (MqTga)
It's not bad ammo. It just... makes bad decisions.
I kid, it's probably fine. There was a bit on it in American Rifleman before it was released commercially. I think they said it was developed to be an effective frangible projectile for use in polymer cases for countries where police don't like using brass cartridges because criminals reload them or something like that. Which didn't seem to make much sense, because if they can get weapons, why can't they get ammunition in the same shipment?
My impression overall is that it answers a question you're unlikely to ask if you have ready access to good quality JHP brass-cased ammo like Speer or Hornady. There's nothing really wrong with it, I just don't see that it offers any advantage to an American shooter over ordinary old-fashioned earth gun murderbullets.
Posted by: Jb at July 01, 2018 08:43 PM (MqTga)
It's not bad ammo. It just... makes bad decisions.
I kid, it's probably fine. There was a bit on it in American Rifleman before it was released commercially. I think they said it was developed to be an effective frangible projectile for use in polymer cases for countries where police don't like using brass cartridges because criminals reload them or something like that. Which didn't seem to make much sense, because if they can get weapons, why can't they get ammunition in the same shipment?
My impression overall is that it answers a question you're unlikely to ask if you have ready access to good quality JHP brass-cased ammo like Speer or Hornady. There's nothing really wrong with it, I just don't see that it offers any advantage to an American shooter over ordinary old-fashioned earth gun murderbullets.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 08:52 PM (y87Qq)
157
I'm really getting sick and tired of not being able to find any of these GP100s in .357 for sale, used, anywhere. Obviously, these guns are defective, and you people need to be getting rid of them. To me. Cheap.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 08:52 PM (C1NyB)
158
Another useful Carcano website that has been around for a long time
http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (jWFXC
Thanks whig! What I have found is many explanations but no hard evidence of who, what, where and why.
There is a theory that the Eyeties made around 10,000 "special" carbines in 7.9mm but wartime pressure and supply deep sixed it so they just warehoused them. Also, the Germans did convert some towards the end in 1945 but very few and they are stamped with the waffen marks and are very rare to find.
Another theory is the Israelis bought them sight unseen but then sold them through straw men to the Arabs as the Israelis landed a bunch of Czech mausers instead.
Another theory is these were destined for the Russian Front but Stalingrad put all that to an end.
As for the clips, no one seems to have one although there are pictures of one on the interwebs but just where they all went no one can say.
The mystery deepens.
http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2018 08:34 PM (jWFXC
Thanks whig! What I have found is many explanations but no hard evidence of who, what, where and why.
There is a theory that the Eyeties made around 10,000 "special" carbines in 7.9mm but wartime pressure and supply deep sixed it so they just warehoused them. Also, the Germans did convert some towards the end in 1945 but very few and they are stamped with the waffen marks and are very rare to find.
Another theory is the Israelis bought them sight unseen but then sold them through straw men to the Arabs as the Israelis landed a bunch of Czech mausers instead.
Another theory is these were destined for the Russian Front but Stalingrad put all that to an end.
As for the clips, no one seems to have one although there are pictures of one on the interwebs but just where they all went no one can say.
The mystery deepens.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 01, 2018 08:53 PM (EoRCO)
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157 I'm really getting sick and tired of not being able to find any of these GP100s in .357 for sale, used, anywhere. Obviously, these guns are defective, and you people need to be getting rid of them. To me. Cheap.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 08:52 PM (C1NyB)
Gunbroker and Cabellas both have them. They ain't cheap no more, though
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 08:52 PM (C1NyB)
Gunbroker and Cabellas both have them. They ain't cheap no more, though
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 08:57 PM (xJa6I)
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95 My shoulder hurts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
MY shoulder hurt looking at that .50 Alaska. Jeez..
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 08:02 PM (O6aUz)
Yeah, I want those. Both a DBM shotgun and the 50 Alaskan lever gun. Read the article in American Rifleman. \
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 07:50 PM (+cu3S)
MY shoulder hurt looking at that .50 Alaska. Jeez..
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 08:02 PM (O6aUz)
Yeah, I want those. Both a DBM shotgun and the 50 Alaskan lever gun. Read the article in American Rifleman. \
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at July 01, 2018 08:57 PM (di1hb)
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Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at July 01, 2018 08:50 PM (WEBkv)
Sounds like you already have your answer
If you have one Kimber (at least), you can put that further down in the queue.
Sounds like you already have your answer
If you have one Kimber (at least), you can put that further down in the queue.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 08:58 PM (xJa6I)
162
so, that guy in the vid about identifying fake experts, if he ever gets around to watching his vid he is going to have to make another one about identifying insufferable assholes.
good news is he will only need a link to that vid.
good news is he will only need a link to that vid.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 01, 2018 09:00 PM (MTjB1)
163
Though, for the price of a Kimber I can probably buy the SMLE and enough ammo to last for a couple of years.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at July 01, 2018 08:50 PM (WEBkv)
Yup....go with the SMLE. They ain't making them anymore.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at July 01, 2018 08:50 PM (WEBkv)
Yup....go with the SMLE. They ain't making them anymore.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 01, 2018 09:00 PM (EoRCO)
164
I misspoke, ARX/Inceptor is not frangible. I don't see any significant advantage over JHP or ball, though, except maybe lead contamination in indoor ranges. Here's the AR article I was talking about:
https://tinyurl.com/yc36j4wr
https://tinyurl.com/yc36j4wr
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 09:01 PM (y87Qq)
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59 or butt-stroked to death in 60 seconds.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 01, 2018 09:01 PM (OkKDg)
166
I have an immediate question for folks who have hunted with black powder pistols.
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:02 PM (O6aUz)
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162 so, that guy in the vid about identifying fake experts, if he ever gets around to watching his vid he is going to have to make another one about identifying insufferable assholes.
good news is he will only need a link to that vid.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 01, 2018 09:00 PM (MTjB1)
yeah, Paul can be opinionated and he has a certain attitude I recognize from some former service types I know.
But his videos are more useful than not. And not all of them are full of sandpaper lube.
good news is he will only need a link to that vid.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 01, 2018 09:00 PM (MTjB1)
yeah, Paul can be opinionated and he has a certain attitude I recognize from some former service types I know.
But his videos are more useful than not. And not all of them are full of sandpaper lube.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:04 PM (xJa6I)
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Honestly, I'm not impressed by the heavy ordnance where black bears are concerned. Look at the bears in the pictures. I don't think either is 275 lbs.
Somehow, setting up a bait station to kill a 250-300 lb. black bear with a .338 Win mag doesn't sound even slightly appealing to me.
I could do that in the back yard with a .243.
Somehow, setting up a bait station to kill a 250-300 lb. black bear with a .338 Win mag doesn't sound even slightly appealing to me.
I could do that in the back yard with a .243.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:04 PM (sd+O2)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (MTjB1)
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166 I have an immediate question for folks who have hunted with black powder pistols.
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:02 PM (O6aUz)
I haven't shot a ton of black powered, some though, so grain of salt(peter)and all that but...
It sounds like a mass/velocity issue. To make animals go boom, you need high velocity with comparatively small mass. That isn't really what black powder does.
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:02 PM (O6aUz)
I haven't shot a ton of black powered, some though, so grain of salt(peter)and all that but...
It sounds like a mass/velocity issue. To make animals go boom, you need high velocity with comparatively small mass. That isn't really what black powder does.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (xJa6I)
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I could do that in the back yard with a .243.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:04 PM (sd+O2)
Yeah, but is there the possibility of a brown bear being attracted to the kill in your back yard?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:04 PM (sd+O2)
Yeah, but is there the possibility of a brown bear being attracted to the kill in your back yard?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (O6aUz)
172
Evure since Trummp signed thatt eevil Second Ammendmint into law the rayciss NRA haz bean killing 500 million Amerrickens per day, mostly peppil of cholar. Predesent Oobma needs to step in and do somthing.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (IT+uc)
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I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY
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Was it a ball? Probably. I expect it never had time to get very misshapen, if at all. Moreover, low, low velocity.
Posted by: MarkY
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Was it a ball? Probably. I expect it never had time to get very misshapen, if at all. Moreover, low, low velocity.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:07 PM (sd+O2)
174
Mary is getting more unhinged as the gun thread goes...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (kufk0)
175
Good stuff from Arbalest and whig above re revolver loads and related issues.
When I did my self-defense ammo topping off last year, I switched to HST for 9mm, based on good reputation and ballistics tests for expansion. Stuck with the Gold Dots in 45ACP, as they matched anything out there, and my revolver stuff is quite varied - Gold Dots, Buffalo Bore, some Remington FBI load. I topped off with Winchester Ranger (forget the specs), which had outstanding results in the LuckyGunner testing.
Went with Hornady for .380 defense ammo, Critical Defense I think (again, test results).
I think all the major brand ammo is fine, good enough that it won't be the problem in any real situation, and I realize testing is not always dispositive, but I think it can confirm common sense and give some relative rankings for results in a laboratory situation.
When I did my self-defense ammo topping off last year, I switched to HST for 9mm, based on good reputation and ballistics tests for expansion. Stuck with the Gold Dots in 45ACP, as they matched anything out there, and my revolver stuff is quite varied - Gold Dots, Buffalo Bore, some Remington FBI load. I topped off with Winchester Ranger (forget the specs), which had outstanding results in the LuckyGunner testing.
Went with Hornady for .380 defense ammo, Critical Defense I think (again, test results).
I think all the major brand ammo is fine, good enough that it won't be the problem in any real situation, and I realize testing is not always dispositive, but I think it can confirm common sense and give some relative rankings for results in a laboratory situation.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (QDnY+)
176
I watched the whole fake experts video. That was pretty good.
So.
Does this mean there really is such a thing as a 22mm handgun?
So.
Does this mean there really is such a thing as a 22mm handgun?
Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (sdi6R)
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172 Evure since Trummp signed thatt eevil Second Ammendmint into law the rayciss NRA haz bean killing 500 million Amerrickens per day, mostly peppil of cholar. Predesent Oobma needs to step in and do somthing.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (IT+uc)
I know, great isn't it?
We live in a miraculous timeline.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (IT+uc)
I know, great isn't it?
We live in a miraculous timeline.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (xJa6I)
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I have an immediate question for folks who have hunted with black powder pistols.
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:02 PM (O6aUz)
Just guessing here, but it seems to me that if the entry and exit wounds are too close together because the animal is small, that there may not be enough flesh for the bullet to expand before it exits the animal. Especially at pistol-type velocities.
That's just a hunch though.
I have an immediate question for folks who have hunted with black powder pistols.
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:02 PM (O6aUz)
Just guessing here, but it seems to me that if the entry and exit wounds are too close together because the animal is small, that there may not be enough flesh for the bullet to expand before it exits the animal. Especially at pistol-type velocities.
That's just a hunch though.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (eXA4G)
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Yeah, but is there the possibility of a brown bear being attracted to the kill in your back yard?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (O6aUz)
Some, but I'd be more cautious around his cat than around a bear.
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (O6aUz)
Some, but I'd be more cautious around his cat than around a bear.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq)
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Does this mean there really is such a thing as a 22mm handgun?
Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (sdi6R)
There's no such thing.
Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (sdi6R)
There's no such thing.
Posted by: A Fake Expert at July 01, 2018 09:10 PM (IT+uc)
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Does this mean there really is such a thing as a 22mm handgun?
Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (sdi6R)
There's no such thing.
Posted by: A Fake Expert at July
futhermucker, you beat me to it!
Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2018 09:08 PM (sdi6R)
There's no such thing.
Posted by: A Fake Expert at July
futhermucker, you beat me to it!
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 01, 2018 09:11 PM (MTjB1)
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re: velocity... they advertise the 8" at 850fps, so I spect this is barely over 800.
But low speed, and big mass should equal tremendous shock.
I didn't bury him with the shot either.
I just can't see using this thing on real animals... like deer, which I've considered.
Deadly accurate out to 20 yds or so.
But low speed, and big mass should equal tremendous shock.
I didn't bury him with the shot either.
I just can't see using this thing on real animals... like deer, which I've considered.
Deadly accurate out to 20 yds or so.
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:13 PM (O6aUz)
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I thought the police are racist against people of coler?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Coler heads will prevail.
I thought the police are racist against people of coler?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Coler heads will prevail.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2018 09:13 PM (IqV8l)
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Got the limoncello blended, finally, and have some amazing ribs awaiting consumption, but haven't yet loaded a round of 45ACP this weekend, as planned. Everything's set up.
And have to check the calendar. Closest I can get to Weasel Acres is going to the range where I'm an RO towards closing, in the long-day months, and set up on one of the small ranges. Shooting is allowed til 10, but dark comes earlier obviously.
Take some food and a cigar, get the boss to come with me (she'll love how beautiful it is out there late in the day, actually), maybe some friends. Private range, and free.
And have to check the calendar. Closest I can get to Weasel Acres is going to the range where I'm an RO towards closing, in the long-day months, and set up on one of the small ranges. Shooting is allowed til 10, but dark comes earlier obviously.
Take some food and a cigar, get the boss to come with me (she'll love how beautiful it is out there late in the day, actually), maybe some friends. Private range, and free.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:14 PM (QDnY+)
185
The 3 putzes on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball are probably the WORST ever. A-Rod, The annoying broad, and the no name who will not sit the fuck up.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2018 09:15 PM (fmY79)
186
183
I thought the police are racist against people of coler?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Coler heads will prevail.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2018 09:13 PM (IqV8l)
LOL
I thought the police are racist against people of coler?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Coler heads will prevail.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2018 09:13 PM (IqV8l)
LOL
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:16 PM (xJa6I)
187
166 I have an immediate question for folks who have hunted with black powder pistols.
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:02 PM (O6aUz)
On the revolver, not enough anything to affect the ball. Ball is moving pretty slow, too. And it's a ball, so the structure does not lend itself to expansion from soft tissue. It also won't yaw and tumble.
With the rifle, you say "blown parts off". That says to me you hit bone with a high velocity round. Bove shatters sending shars through soft tissue cutting them. Bullet is travelling fast enough t cause hydrostatic shock to tear more tissue. The bullet is built to deform and expand on meeting soft tissue, let alone bone. There's also a chance the bullet will start to tumble after hitting bone.
1858 Remington in 5 1/2" .44. Shot a groundhog (to protect myself, of course) in the eye at about 15 feet. It did NOT rip out the other side of the head, as was expected. In fact, the exit wound was pretty much the entrance wound.
Not enough bone?
I've blown parts off animals with a 7mm mag, and expected more expansion with soft lead. Wha' happened?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:02 PM (O6aUz)
On the revolver, not enough anything to affect the ball. Ball is moving pretty slow, too. And it's a ball, so the structure does not lend itself to expansion from soft tissue. It also won't yaw and tumble.
With the rifle, you say "blown parts off". That says to me you hit bone with a high velocity round. Bove shatters sending shars through soft tissue cutting them. Bullet is travelling fast enough t cause hydrostatic shock to tear more tissue. The bullet is built to deform and expand on meeting soft tissue, let alone bone. There's also a chance the bullet will start to tumble after hitting bone.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at July 01, 2018 09:17 PM (di1hb)
188
Yeah, but is there the possibility of a brown bear being attracted to the kill in your back yard?
Posted by: MarkY
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No. And I understand that element of the situation, but the pictures are of black bear, and there are multiple mentions of such. Moreover, I'm assuming that they know what is/was at the bait station.
They didn't post any pictures of Brown bear, did they?
BTW, here's one grazing on cherries by our side porch. I suppose I should have rushed back inside for my heaviest weapon and collected 'a trophy'.
Or, I could just finish my coffee and leave the fierce critter alone.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7ma3rku
Posted by: MarkY
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No. And I understand that element of the situation, but the pictures are of black bear, and there are multiple mentions of such. Moreover, I'm assuming that they know what is/was at the bait station.
They didn't post any pictures of Brown bear, did they?
BTW, here's one grazing on cherries by our side porch. I suppose I should have rushed back inside for my heaviest weapon and collected 'a trophy'.
Or, I could just finish my coffee and leave the fierce critter alone.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7ma3rku
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:18 PM (JEV/2)
189
The Committee of Public Safety for Gubs obtained a S&W model 3000 12 gauge shotgun that I found on Gun Broker for $229. This one was in pretty nice condition except for a little spot of surface rust on one side of the receiver and still had its original box. This one was unusual in that it was configured as a "breeching shotgun" and only had a pistol grip rather than a shoulder stock.
Smith and Wesson only had these from 1980 to 1984 when they were trying to get into the police shotgun market. They're actually good shotguns and were essentially clones of the Remington 870 with slightly different internal parts and an improved feed mechanism that prevented the double feed problem of the early 870s but S&W just couldn't get enough interest in them.
Smith and Wesson only had these from 1980 to 1984 when they were trying to get into the police shotgun market. They're actually good shotguns and were essentially clones of the Remington 870 with slightly different internal parts and an improved feed mechanism that prevented the double feed problem of the early 870s but S&W just couldn't get enough interest in them.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 01, 2018 09:18 PM (5Yee7)
190
After 2-1/2 months that felt like 2-1/2 years of waiting, my CMP M1 Garand has finally arrived.
6-digit serial number on the Springfield Armory receiver which puts manufacture in early December 1941 and a barrel from March of 1944. It is in fantastic condition and the new dark walnut stock is seductively beckoning me to lovingly rub it with some pure tung oil.
6-digit serial number on the Springfield Armory receiver which puts manufacture in early December 1941 and a barrel from March of 1944. It is in fantastic condition and the new dark walnut stock is seductively beckoning me to lovingly rub it with some pure tung oil.
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker at July 01, 2018 09:19 PM (GrCeo)
191
"Yeah, but is there the possibility of a brown bear being attracted to the kill in your back yard?
Posted by: MarkY"
Brown bear? Very low chance. Black bear? Very high chance.
Posted by: MarkY"
Brown bear? Very low chance. Black bear? Very high chance.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 01, 2018 09:20 PM (w+Jhj)
192
The 3 putzes on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball are probably the WORST ever. A-Rod, The annoying broad, and the no name who will not sit the fuck up.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2018 09:15 PM (fmY79)
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Just curious, why are subjecting yourself to the commentary of ESPN? Whenever they are the only channel that carries something I want to watch, I mute it and try to find other commentary by streaming.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2018 09:15 PM (fmY79)
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Just curious, why are subjecting yourself to the commentary of ESPN? Whenever they are the only channel that carries something I want to watch, I mute it and try to find other commentary by streaming.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 01, 2018 09:21 PM (I16G8)
193
"6-digit serial number on the Springfield Armory
receiver which puts manufacture in early December 1941 and a barrel from
March of 1944. It is in fantastic condition and the new dark walnut
stock is seductively beckoning me to lovingly rub it with some pure tung
oil.
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker"
To each their own, but the smell of tung oil makes me want to vomit.
receiver which puts manufacture in early December 1941 and a barrel from
March of 1944. It is in fantastic condition and the new dark walnut
stock is seductively beckoning me to lovingly rub it with some pure tung
oil.
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker"
To each their own, but the smell of tung oil makes me want to vomit.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 01, 2018 09:21 PM (w+Jhj)
194
Great pic, MHammer!
I get the bait station reluctance. Not my cup of tea. Ks. allows hunting deer over bait, and I'm not that fond of that, either.
But to each his own.
I get the bait station reluctance. Not my cup of tea. Ks. allows hunting deer over bait, and I'm not that fond of that, either.
But to each his own.
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:23 PM (O6aUz)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 09:23 PM (yQpMk)
196
Ashville Robert, your name says why, eh?
Pretty country.
Pretty country.
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:24 PM (O6aUz)
197
Glen, I'm envious! New stock is dark? I thought the CMP stocks were "pumpkin" orange or something (confess I have not paid that much attention to that issue, have two HRAs with beautiful GI wood stocks, even with DAS stamps appropriate for the receiver serial).
Field grade? Service grade?
Field grade? Service grade?
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:25 PM (QDnY+)
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6-digit serial number on the Springfield Armory receiver which puts manufacture in early December 1941 and a barrel from March of 1944. It is in fantastic condition and the new dark walnut stock is seductively beckoning me to lovingly rub it with some pure tung oil.
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker
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Are you a member of the GCA? They produce a terrific quarterly journal. http://thegca.org/
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker
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Are you a member of the GCA? They produce a terrific quarterly journal. http://thegca.org/
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:26 PM (I83yK)
199
"Or, I could just finish my coffee and leave the fierce critter alone.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7ma3rku
Posted by: Mike Hammer"
That's a fat one!
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7ma3rku
Posted by: Mike Hammer"
That's a fat one!
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 01, 2018 09:27 PM (w+Jhj)
200
Or, I could just finish my coffee and leave the fierce critter alone.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7ma3rku
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:18 PM (JEV/2)
At the risk of my man card being taken from me...
that's adorable.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7ma3rku
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:18 PM (JEV/2)
At the risk of my man card being taken from me...
that's adorable.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:27 PM (xJa6I)
201
"Ashville Asheville Robert, your name says why, eh?
Pretty country.
Posted by: MarkY"
Yep. It's nice up here. I hope that the rain gets worked out of here before the 4th though.
Pretty country.
Posted by: MarkY"
Yep. It's nice up here. I hope that the rain gets worked out of here before the 4th though.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 01, 2018 09:28 PM (w+Jhj)
202
Wasn't raw linseed oil the one actually used on the stocks back in the day? I use BLO too, because easier. The 2 CMP M-1s barely needed one treatment, but I'm slowly prettifying the stock on an Auto Ordnance M-1 carbine, give it one coat of BLO every year. It already looks nice. Nice piece of walnut.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:28 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:31 PM (xJa6I)
204
Your yard, Mike H.? Cool.
Cotton tails, red-tail hawks, Cooper's hawks, owls, occasional rattlers and coyotes is all the wildlife I can see from the porch.
Cotton tails, red-tail hawks, Cooper's hawks, owls, occasional rattlers and coyotes is all the wildlife I can see from the porch.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:32 PM (QDnY+)
205
"Nice piece of walnut.
Posted by: rhomboid"
I've got two big black walnut trees that have been cut down and I need someone to saw them up so I can make some gun stocks out of part of them, but I can't get anybody to do the work. Regular sawmills want too damn much to cut them up.
Posted by: rhomboid"
I've got two big black walnut trees that have been cut down and I need someone to saw them up so I can make some gun stocks out of part of them, but I can't get anybody to do the work. Regular sawmills want too damn much to cut them up.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 01, 2018 09:32 PM (w+Jhj)
206
So...yeah, overall good. I'm liking the Star BM.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
I owned a Star many moons ago back in my single days. I liked it but ultimately traded it for another gub. Back then, I'd have a mad, passionate love affair with some sultry boom stick and then get rid of it about 6 months later. Some nice firearms passed through my hands but I didn't keep a big permanent collection back then.
*sigh* Youth is wasted on the young.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
I owned a Star many moons ago back in my single days. I liked it but ultimately traded it for another gub. Back then, I'd have a mad, passionate love affair with some sultry boom stick and then get rid of it about 6 months later. Some nice firearms passed through my hands but I didn't keep a big permanent collection back then.
*sigh* Youth is wasted on the young.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 01, 2018 09:32 PM (5Yee7)
207
Mark, I've long made a point of *not* looking at AIM's used handgun offerings ...... and you and Grump just rub my nose in it anyway .....
Still haven't sent them an email axeing why they suddenly declared "no sales to CA" for CZ-83s ...... after I bought one from them.
Still haven't sent them an email axeing why they suddenly declared "no sales to CA" for CZ-83s ...... after I bought one from them.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:33 PM (QDnY+)
208
ESPN is the only ones carrying the game. I do have it on mute a lot. By they suck
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2018 09:34 PM (fmY79)
209
206 So...yeah, overall good. I'm liking the Star BM.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
I owned a Star many moons ago back in my single days. I liked it but ultimately traded it for another gub. Back then, I'd have a mad, passionate love affair with some sultry boom stick and then get rid of it about 6 months later. Some nice firearms passed through my hands but I didn't keep a big permanent collection back then.
*sigh* Youth is wasted on the young.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 01, 2018 09:32 PM (5Yee7)
I have tried to sell guns.
It won't take.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
I owned a Star many moons ago back in my single days. I liked it but ultimately traded it for another gub. Back then, I'd have a mad, passionate love affair with some sultry boom stick and then get rid of it about 6 months later. Some nice firearms passed through my hands but I didn't keep a big permanent collection back then.
*sigh* Youth is wasted on the young.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 01, 2018 09:32 PM (5Yee7)
I have tried to sell guns.
It won't take.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:34 PM (xJa6I)
210
Mmm...tongue oil.
Posted by: Gene Simmons at July 01, 2018 09:34 PM (Tyii7)
211
Jeesuz, Cora! Get this fucking stiff outta there!
Posted by: tu3031 at July 01, 2018 09:34 PM (O5Q3r)
212
That's a fat one!
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
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Yeah, from eating our cherries.
As an aside, cherry pits pass almost immediately through their digestive tracts. The consequence is calling cards all over the yard.
I don't mind them eating the berries that have dropped, it pisses me off though when they climb the tree and start stripping the limbs.
I had one climb up there, gorge himself, fall asleep in the tree for an hour, then wake up and recommence eating.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
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Yeah, from eating our cherries.
As an aside, cherry pits pass almost immediately through their digestive tracts. The consequence is calling cards all over the yard.
I don't mind them eating the berries that have dropped, it pisses me off though when they climb the tree and start stripping the limbs.
I had one climb up there, gorge himself, fall asleep in the tree for an hour, then wake up and recommence eating.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:35 PM (R+Cqa)
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197 Rhomboid, Service grade. The stock is nice dark brown walnut CMP wood.
198 Mike Hammer, negative, just Texas State Rifle Assn.
I fear I may have opened up a can of chili con carrots in regards to stock oil preference.
198 Mike Hammer, negative, just Texas State Rifle Assn.
I fear I may have opened up a can of chili con carrots in regards to stock oil preference.
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker at July 01, 2018 09:35 PM (GrCeo)
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Asheville, that's interesting. How nice to have your own source. But yeah, you'd probably pay thru the nose for that sort of work. But think of it ..... "Asheville Robert Gunstocks - Part of America Made Great Again".
Buckeye Cop, I was like that when young ..... but not with guns, with two-legged distaff humanoid adversaries. My yute wasn't *entirely* wasted ......
Buckeye Cop, I was like that when young ..... but not with guns, with two-legged distaff humanoid adversaries. My yute wasn't *entirely* wasted ......
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:35 PM (QDnY+)
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207 Mark, I've long made a point of *not* looking at AIM's used handgun offerings ...... and you and Grump just rub my nose in it anyway .....
Still haven't sent them an email axeing why they suddenly declared "no sales to CA" for CZ-83s ...... after I bought one from them.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:33 PM (QDnY+)
That's not cool. Might be that 'high capacity'.
Grump started it.
I really want a CZ 83...even though I don't really want or need a .380 pistol. It's just...an itch, ya know?
Maybe I can trade my Kahr for one.
Still haven't sent them an email axeing why they suddenly declared "no sales to CA" for CZ-83s ...... after I bought one from them.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:33 PM (QDnY+)
That's not cool. Might be that 'high capacity'.
Grump started it.
I really want a CZ 83...even though I don't really want or need a .380 pistol. It's just...an itch, ya know?
Maybe I can trade my Kahr for one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:37 PM (xJa6I)
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I've got two big black walnut trees that have been cut down and I need someone to saw them up so I can make some gun stocks out of part of them, but I can't get anybody to do the work. Regular sawmills want too damn much to cut them up.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
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I might know a guy. Have the trees themselves been cut down to reasonable lengths?
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
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I might know a guy. Have the trees themselves been cut down to reasonable lengths?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:38 PM (R+Cqa)
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I would think that I could hack out stock blanks with a chainsaw if I knew what angle to cut them at. I would probably waste more than a professional.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 09:38 PM (yQpMk)
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Yeah, but is there the possibility of a brown bear being attracted to the kill in your back yard?
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (O6aUz)
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hopefully he digs the graves deep enough that neither a bear nor a cadaver dog can smell them. i've heard rumors that quicklime helps with that too.
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:06 PM (O6aUz)
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hopefully he digs the graves deep enough that neither a bear nor a cadaver dog can smell them. i've heard rumors that quicklime helps with that too.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2018 09:38 PM (dpKGV)
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Mike Hammer, negative, just Texas State Rifle Assn.
I fear I may have opened up a can of chili con carrots in regards to stock oil preference.
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker
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Stock finishes...nah...everyone has their favorite.
But check the GCA site. Their publications are a wealth of information for Garand owners.
I fear I may have opened up a can of chili con carrots in regards to stock oil preference.
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker
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Stock finishes...nah...everyone has their favorite.
But check the GCA site. Their publications are a wealth of information for Garand owners.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:40 PM (I83yK)
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I never have known why the CZ82 in 9mm Mak has the superior polygonal barrel, but the 83 in .380 just has regular rifling.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 09:40 PM (yQpMk)
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81 red the correct answer is the ar maglock gen2
watch the youtube vid and you'll see
i don't know anyone who's registering you'd be stoopid to
watch the youtube vid and you'll see
i don't know anyone who's registering you'd be stoopid to
Posted by: MAxIE, mentioned in dispatches at July 01, 2018 09:41 PM (9TR2V)
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220 I never have known why the CZ82 in 9mm Mak has the superior polygonal barrel, but the 83 in .380 just has regular rifling.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 09:40 PM (yQpMk)
Huh. Did not know that. I assumed they had the same barrel type.
*goes to check my CZ82*
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 09:40 PM (yQpMk)
Huh. Did not know that. I assumed they had the same barrel type.
*goes to check my CZ82*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:41 PM (xJa6I)
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I plan on taking the 5th and 6th of July off. One of those days I'll be heading over to my favorite gun store to purchase a Ruger 9mm carbine and one of two 9mm pistols that share the same magazine.
The day after that, I will be expending many 9mm rounds. And drinking Bourbon. But not at the same time.
The day after that, I will be expending many 9mm rounds. And drinking Bourbon. But not at the same time.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at July 01, 2018 09:42 PM (iiixZ)
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Oh great, more guns. You people aren't going to be satisfied until everybody dies. /sarc
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:43 PM (SRarZ)
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224 Oh great, more guns. You people aren't going to be satisfied until everybody dies. /sarc
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:43 PM (SRarZ)
Everyone IS going to die, ya know.
I am with you on the stale donuts, though. Yuck.
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:43 PM (SRarZ)
Everyone IS going to die, ya know.
I am with you on the stale donuts, though. Yuck.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:44 PM (xJa6I)
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I thought that maybe you could shorten a 82 barrel for the .380 but no, the 9mm bullet for the Mak is 9.27 mm and the 9mm Browning is exactly 9.0 mm.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 09:45 PM (yQpMk)
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Welp, gotta go do stuff.
Very glad to see the gun and movie threads this weekend.
New job is a...non-permissive environment, so can't really check AOS there. But I'm thinking of y'all and missing you.
Tell Insomniac 'hey' for me and blow stuff up (but not yourself) on the 4th.
Have a good one.
Very glad to see the gun and movie threads this weekend.
New job is a...non-permissive environment, so can't really check AOS there. But I'm thinking of y'all and missing you.
Tell Insomniac 'hey' for me and blow stuff up (but not yourself) on the 4th.
Have a good one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:47 PM (xJa6I)
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red and MAxie, when I finally build out my AR receivers, of course I'll do "feature-less" ...... but I probably would have anyway. Prefer the normal rifle stock shape (Thordsen) to pistol grip, and none of the other "features" mean anything to me either.
But who knows what will transpire over the next few years.
I could see both 1) extreme worsening of CA laws to include outright bans, and 2) SCOTUS action to gut most CA gun laws.
But who knows what will transpire over the next few years.
I could see both 1) extreme worsening of CA laws to include outright bans, and 2) SCOTUS action to gut most CA gun laws.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2018 09:49 PM (QDnY+)
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You're welcome Hairyback Guy.
My only Carcano is a 91/30 long rifle made at the end of production of these in the 1930's so I did a fair amount of research before I bought one. Cleaned up very well and shoots fine despite a warped forend--it does have a cracked handguard though.
For the most part, I focus on military bolt rifles of the twentieth century and have restored quite a few to military condition but have a few oddities older than that. Right now, the project I have to finish is my 1903 Springfield in .22 LR (so as to not produce a fake m1922, I am going with the full length stock.) Just have to put the m22 barrel on the Rock Island receiver, headspace the .22 M2 bolt, and away we go. Project has taken about three years to gather the parts. A Finn m28 took about two years to restore--it has the Sig barrel though.
Rhomboid, glad for the information that you have tried and liked the Critical Defense in 9mm, been considering switching from gold dots to them due to availability and cost. Thanks.
My only Carcano is a 91/30 long rifle made at the end of production of these in the 1930's so I did a fair amount of research before I bought one. Cleaned up very well and shoots fine despite a warped forend--it does have a cracked handguard though.
For the most part, I focus on military bolt rifles of the twentieth century and have restored quite a few to military condition but have a few oddities older than that. Right now, the project I have to finish is my 1903 Springfield in .22 LR (so as to not produce a fake m1922, I am going with the full length stock.) Just have to put the m22 barrel on the Rock Island receiver, headspace the .22 M2 bolt, and away we go. Project has taken about three years to gather the parts. A Finn m28 took about two years to restore--it has the Sig barrel though.
Rhomboid, glad for the information that you have tried and liked the Critical Defense in 9mm, been considering switching from gold dots to them due to availability and cost. Thanks.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2018 09:49 PM (jWFXC)
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Couple of GCA Journal covers, I've linked before:
http://tinyurl.com/yclv3otr
The money shot
http://tinyurl.com/ycna9f6o
http://tinyurl.com/yclv3otr
The money shot
http://tinyurl.com/ycna9f6o
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 09:50 PM (RNno0)
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Have a good one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:47 PM (xJa6I)
Laters, MAE. Have a good week.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 01, 2018 09:47 PM (xJa6I)
Laters, MAE. Have a good week.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (y87Qq)
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I hate that I have to label a sarcastic comment.
It tells me that the other commenters have yet to evolve.
If you don't like this comment, suck it, it's true.
It tells me that the other commenters have yet to evolve.
If you don't like this comment, suck it, it's true.
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (SRarZ)
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re black walnut that needs to be cut up.
you should be able to get close to your desired size blank with judicious use of a chain saw, then regular power tools.
or, you could be a moron, and buy a miniature saw mill from China Freight.
https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mill-with-
301cc-gas-engine-62366.html
you should be able to get close to your desired size blank with judicious use of a chain saw, then regular power tools.
or, you could be a moron, and buy a miniature saw mill from China Freight.
https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mill-with-
301cc-gas-engine-62366.html
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2018 09:55 PM (dpKGV)
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If you don't like this comment, suck it, it's true.
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (SRarZ)
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You must be a big hit at parties.
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (SRarZ)
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You must be a big hit at parties.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 01, 2018 09:56 PM (8tRcn)
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ARobert
I found my sawyer on the WoodMizer website. Check Timber King and whoever's saws Bailey's sells, too.
Someone near you does contract sawing.
I trade raw wood for kiln dried lumber. I was offered 33%, but took 25%, and I get to cherry pick his offering... IOW, whatever he gots, I get to pick.
I found my sawyer on the WoodMizer website. Check Timber King and whoever's saws Bailey's sells, too.
Someone near you does contract sawing.
I trade raw wood for kiln dried lumber. I was offered 33%, but took 25%, and I get to cherry pick his offering... IOW, whatever he gots, I get to pick.
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 09:57 PM (O6aUz)
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I'm the inappropriate motherfucker, why?
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:57 PM (SRarZ)
237
For self-defense in a .38 Special or .357 magnum revolver I use the Federal 158gr. LSWC-HP "FBI" load. I'm not sure they make it anymore, but the Buffalo Bore version should be as good or better.
Posted by: Chris Morton at July 01, 2018 09:58 PM (+Z/cK)
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Took Mrs Cop out to the range so she could get some trigger time with her SR-22. Once I realized she was standing with both her feet perpendicular to the shotline, I had her put her left foot forward and her grouping improved dramatically. At about 15 feet, she was getting groupings of about 2-3 inches.
Tried to get her to shoot the .30 Carbine but she couldn't figure out how to get a good sight picture with the peep sight and it was getting late. She did fire a few rounds and she said that the recoil didn't bother her. So, we will tackle the carbine on another day.
She has made huge improvement in her firearms proficiency, especially since she used to think they were dangerous and she was afraid to touch them.
Tried to get her to shoot the .30 Carbine but she couldn't figure out how to get a good sight picture with the peep sight and it was getting late. She did fire a few rounds and she said that the recoil didn't bother her. So, we will tackle the carbine on another day.
She has made huge improvement in her firearms proficiency, especially since she used to think they were dangerous and she was afraid to touch them.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 01, 2018 09:58 PM (5Yee7)
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Blah blah blah blah blah giggle blah blah blah blah blah.
Blah blah blah blah? Blah blah. Blah blah blah blah.
Blah blah blah blah? Blah blah. Blah blah blah blah.
Posted by: Talking heads actually paid big money by ESPN at July 01, 2018 09:58 PM (0jtPF)
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When Teh Spawn were wee barns, and we would go geocaching, the caches were almost always in ammo cans...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 01, 2018 09:59 PM (e9G8E)
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MAxIE: just replace the bullet button with a regular mag release, swap out the "flash suppressor" with a muzzle brake, and put a fin on the pistol grip and you're good...
at least until the lawsuit gets to the Gorsuch SCOTUS and this, and all the other bullshit is overturned.
no word yet on the ammo lawsuit, so i imagine they are still waiting for the state to respond. i know one of the plaintiffs, and they have heard nada, so far.
at least until the lawsuit gets to the Gorsuch SCOTUS and this, and all the other bullshit is overturned.
no word yet on the ammo lawsuit, so i imagine they are still waiting for the state to respond. i know one of the plaintiffs, and they have heard nada, so far.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2018 10:00 PM (dpKGV)
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If you don't like this comment, suck it, it's true.
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (SRarZ)
Do you like banana splits?
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (SRarZ)
Do you like banana splits?
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 01, 2018 10:02 PM (5Yee7)
243
I hate that I have to label a sarcastic comment.
It tells me that the other commenters have yet to evolve.
If you don't like this comment, suck it, it's true.
/
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (SRarZ)
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FTFY!
It tells me that the other commenters have yet to evolve.
If you don't like this comment, suck it, it's true.
/
Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:51 PM (SRarZ)
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FTFY!
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2018 10:02 PM (dpKGV)
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Having spent time on Kodiak, I don't underestimate the danger of bears. Bear biologists refer to blacks as the Black Plague. They're not an animal to get careless with. Read "Four Seconds Until Impact" by Bruce Hemming. Fun fact: Bears don't kill you before they start eating, they just hold you down with one paw while they eat your guts.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at July 01, 2018 10:04 PM (bML9A)
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When Teh Spawn were wee barns, and we would go geocaching, the caches were almost always in ammo cans...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto
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I remain amazed that none of those (to my knowledge) ended badly.
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto
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I remain amazed that none of those (to my knowledge) ended badly.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 10:04 PM (I83yK)
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Forgive my iggerrance. Whats the deal on the CA ammo ban/thingie?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at July 01, 2018 10:05 PM (bgJ0E)
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Neighbor has now moved to black powder cannon.
Impressive boom.
Impressive boom.
Posted by: MarkY at July 01, 2018 10:05 PM (O6aUz)
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When Teh Spawn were wee barns, and we would go geocaching, the caches were almost always in ammo cans...
You can keep your weed in there...
You can keep your weed in there...
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 10:07 PM (yQpMk)
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Neighbor has now moved to black powder cannon.
Impressive boom.
Posted by: MarkY
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Tiny, by comparison, of course, but when I was a kid, Big Bang cannons were all the rage. We used to have 'battles' in a neighbor's crawl space, because it was pitch black in there. Impressive flashes they make in the dark.
Impressive boom.
Posted by: MarkY
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Tiny, by comparison, of course, but when I was a kid, Big Bang cannons were all the rage. We used to have 'battles' in a neighbor's crawl space, because it was pitch black in there. Impressive flashes they make in the dark.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 10:08 PM (RNno0)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 01, 2018 10:08 PM (yQpMk)
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Posted by: I Hate Guns, and stale donuts at July 01, 2018 09:57 PM (SRarZ)
Thank you for your service.
Thank you for your service.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 10:12 PM (C1NyB)
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Jesus Judge almost took the pitchers head off
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2018 10:14 PM (Ydx5u)
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Did we crash thecga.org website? I keep getting a 503 error.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at July 01, 2018 10:15 PM (C1NyB)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2018 10:22 PM (+cu3S)
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Smith & Wesson M&P10 Sport 308 win AR-10 https://bit.ly/2yWfuzM
$902.24
Retail Price
$875.96
Cash Discount Price
$902.24
Retail Price
$875.96
Cash Discount Price
Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 01, 2018 10:23 PM (YRXy3)
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Sharp rise in Italians in favour of loosening gun control
https://bit.ly/2KeyLBW
https://bit.ly/2KeyLBW
Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 01, 2018 10:24 PM (YRXy3)
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And the #Communist wins in Mexico!
Seems like they already have the murdering part down pat in #GunFree Mexico!
"Mexico goes to the polls this weekend. 132 politicians have been killed since campaigning began"
https://cnn.it/2lGhItQ
Seems like they already have the murdering part down pat in #GunFree Mexico!
"Mexico goes to the polls this weekend. 132 politicians have been killed since campaigning began"
https://cnn.it/2lGhItQ
Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 01, 2018 10:27 PM (YRXy3)
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2016 Federalist Society panel
The 2nd Amendment: Enforcing the Heller Decision moderated by potential SCOTUS Raymond Kethledge
https://youtu.be/PQCikqgeYI4
The 2nd Amendment: Enforcing the Heller Decision moderated by potential SCOTUS Raymond Kethledge
https://youtu.be/PQCikqgeYI4
Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 01, 2018 10:42 PM (YRXy3)
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Considering that she's 72, Deborah Harry has aged rather well (IMHO).
Posted by: HuuskerDu at July 01, 2018 10:53 PM (gYAkw)
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Considering that she's 72, Deborah Harry has aged rather well (IMHO).
Posted by: HuuskerDu at July 01, 2018 10:53 PM (gYAkw)
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indeed... she's still a "1".
nice nick, BTW.
Posted by: HuuskerDu at July 01, 2018 10:53 PM (gYAkw)
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indeed... she's still a "1".
nice nick, BTW.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2018 11:26 PM (dpKGV)
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My father and three uncles were all in WW II we used to have WW II Jerrycan and our town still has a old Lookout Shack when America there were lookouts for Aircraft after Pearl Harbor
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at July 02, 2018 01:12 AM (FLiOE)
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Morning all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2018 07:31 AM (Lg2h/)
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Sunday on MSNBCs Kasie DC, failed 2012 presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who recently picked up the nomination for U.S. Senate in Utah, would not commit to endorsing President Donald Trump for re-election in 2020.
I think McShit is dead and his spirit was transfered to the magic underwear guy
I think McShit is dead and his spirit was transfered to the magic underwear guy
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