The Morning Report 6/22/18

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Good morning kids. The weekend is here and with it brings a mixed bag of news, and from my perspective it seems mostly positive, all things considered. As I had alluded to the other day, aside from its long-standing goal of flooding the country with a massive, permanent voting bloc, the Democrat-Left-Media complex manufactured a border crisis of migrant babies being torn from the arms of their loving parents by Adolph Trump and tossed into a concentration camp. The reason was the evaporation of the vaunted midterm Blue Wave along with the Mueller witch hunt and now the revelations that Obama and Clinton with a willing FBI, CIA and NSA conspired to sabotage the Trump campaign and subsequently overthrow his administration.

Well, after almost a week of non-stop lies, smears and utter fakery, the President singlehandedly exposed this sham for what it is by his executive order to reunite the children with their parents - without turning them loose. He made them admit that what he was doing was merely following a long-standing law, that the conditions he was blamed for were in fact the fault of Obama and most importantly that the Democrat-Left merely cares about these kids insofar as it gets them to their holy grail of open borders. The latest Rasmussen poll shows that a majority of Americans place the blame for this on the parents for placing their kids in mortal danger to be used as political pawns. Most importantly, the President's rhetoric on all these issues is plain, straightforward and brutally honest. It's also reassuring to hear for the first time a Republican president calling it like it is and calling out the Left for their intentions. Well played, sir. And with the embarrassing defeat of the first House bill to address DACA, Paul Ryno was forced tp postpone the more moderate bill (read: total sellout) for Monday and, as of this writing, the situation is in doubt if he'll be able to whip the necessary votes for passage, and even so, it would have to clear the Senate and then face PDT's veto pen. So, at least for now, the status quo such as it is is maintained.

From my perspective, when you consider the corrupt nature of the bureaucracy, a large portion of our judiciary and the rogue nature of blue states and cities where upwards of 20-30 million illegal aliens live, in a very real sense already have open borders. Unless and until you cut off the money and benefits that attract and keep these people here, and severely punish any person or enterprise that knowingly employs them, this problem is not going to go away. Along with that, if we are going to even have a chance at saving the nation and preserving whatever vestige of America as founded still exists, we must have a moratorium on legal immigration for a period of minimum 20 years. I realize that that is almost assuredly a non-starter given the political climate and mindset of a large part of the nation and more importantly those in DC and those with deep pockets. But it has to be said and it has to be proposed. In any case, all in all, it was a good week for the President and the American people on this most crucial issue.

That said, the rage and anger goes on and as the Media drum up more propaganda, the potential for violence ramps up. A former cop is being charged for making death threats to the President while some writer up in Canada is taking a cue from Petered-out Fonda and threatening Donald Trump Jr's 4-year-old daughter, and some raving college socialist burped out a sick, violent, inchoate diatribe against the GOP. Jackie Speier rushes to the defense of that Hrabar slag who verbally assaulted DHS Sec Nielsen at a DC restaurant while Cynthia "Tricky Dickless" Nixon has openly slimed ICE as a "terrorist organization." Considering an NYU prof doxed several thousand ICE agents' personal info yesterday, if one of them or a family member is attacked a la Friend-of-Durbin James Hodgkinson, then the Democrat-Left-Media will have blood on their hands. Meh, that's exactly what they want.

Moving along, the big news in the Mueller Flea Circus and Spygate is the DoJ has revoked Peter Strzok's security clearance (gee, that was quick /s) and Peter Kadzik, the DoJ official who sought a job on the Hillary campaign for his son while being part of the investigation into her e-mail servers will not even get a slap on the wrist. Not a smidgen of corruption. Nope.

On the 1st amendment front, anti-American front group SPLC is facing a potential huge lawsuit over its smearing of companies as "hate groups," and as goes Tommy Robinson, so goes whatever liberty and heritage of Magna Carta is left in the UK.

The big news from SCOTUS is its decision to allow states to collect taxes from internet sales. A boon for brick and mortar stores or taxation without representation? Discuss. On the political front, the question of California splitting up is causing heated debate over exactly what that's going to look like. My big fear is three state which have Los Angeles, San Francisco and Sacramento as their capitals. That would be suboptimal to say the least.

On the international scene, the Russians and Chi-Coms are going ballistic over PDT's proposed Space Force. I see parallels with President Reagan's SDI, since despite their image, my gut tells me that the volume and intensity of their reaction indicates that they know they can't compete, technologically or financially, in this area. No doubt a Democrat will try and reassure them a la Ted Kennedy that once Trump's gone, they'll scrap the program. Meanwhile, GOP lawmakers want to isolate Iran form the international financial community and want Treasury Secretary Mnuchin to m'nuke Obama's secret side deals in the now defunct nuke deal.

From hither and yon, ABC is booting up a spinoff of "Roseanne" minus Ms. Barr, a rather sobering essay from the Federalist about the end of America and lastly, today marks the 77th anniversary of Operation Barbarossa, Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union which they boasted as a war of annihilation. It was the bloodiest, most savage battle in history taking nearly 20 million Russian lives. It also marked the ramping up of the annihilation of the Jews. Over 1.5 million people - nearly one fourth of all the victims of the Holocaust - were shot, one by one, by the Einsatzgruppen in cities, towns and villages from the Baltic to the Black Sea. The mind boggles.

Anyway, links from around the world, across the nation and up your street. Have a better one and remain blessed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at 07:47 AM




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1 Good morning, J.j.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 22, 2018 07:48 AM (HiDrR)

2 Morning Horde!

Posted by: tonypete at June 22, 2018 07:49 AM (+IAze)

3 Good morning, horde!

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 07:49 AM (Vzqe+)

4 It gets more interesting every day. What will the press do when the Mueller probe goes nowhere? Oh, that's right, they'll just continue to make sh*t up.

Posted by: IanDeal at June 22, 2018 07:51 AM (5mrLG)

5 Good Morning Morons

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 07:51 AM (mpXpK)

6 What fresh hell awaits us today?

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 07:51 AM (WDCYi)

7 The Honduran toddler pictured sobbing in a pink jacket before U.S. President Donald Trump on an upcoming cover of Time magazine was not separated from her mother at the U.S. border, according to a man who says he is the girl's father.

Valera said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.

The photo was used on a Facebook fundraiser that drew more than $17 million dollars in donations from close to half a million people for the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES), a Texas-based nonprofit that provides legal defense services to immigrants and refugees.




As long as the lie helps raise money for the agenda the hell with the truth. BTW, if you still have a Farcebook account all I ask is why support those shitheads?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2018 07:52 AM (SiINZ)

8 I said it below. I was wrong to be ambivalent about PDT.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 22, 2018 07:53 AM (++G28)

9 McCain staffer told the IRS to go after Tea Party non-profits.

http://tinyurl.com/y7rkj9s5

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:53 AM (J70i0)

10 Good morning! Content!

Posted by: Rosasharn at June 22, 2018 07:54 AM (gC288)

11 Good morning!

McCain who told IRS to make it 'financially ruinous' for tea party groups....now works at WH. WTF?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 07:55 AM (W+vEI)

12 9
McCain staffer told the IRS to go after Tea Party non-profits.



http://tinyurl.com/y7rkj9s5

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:53 AM (J70i0)

More news that McCain is a piece of human debris....shocka

Posted by: A dude in MI at June 22, 2018 07:55 AM (CDETr)

13 McCain staffer told the IRS to go after Tea Party non-profits.


The same Tea Party that tried to drag his stupid carcass into the White House?
He seems nice

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 07:56 AM (8ikIW)

14 Happy Friday fellow morons !

Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 07:56 AM (lWCRE)

15 Good morning J.J. Just one or two typos.

Posted by: JAS at June 22, 2018 07:56 AM (3HNOQ)

16 On the Internet sales tax, I support the ability to tax it but I don't like forcing businesses trying to determine every little tax and what is taxed in every jurisdiction. I believe Internet sales taxes need to be set at the state level and they can't exceed the maximum sales tax in the state. Let the states determine how to divide the money.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:56 AM (J70i0)

17 I say strap some Hellfire missiles to every US plane, and give the pilots authority to fire at any laser attacks. Yes, passenger airliners too.

I bet the incident rate would approach zero pronto.

Call it the Israeli model of deterrence.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2018 07:56 AM (0ogQG)

18 McCain staffer told the IRS to go after Tea Party non-profits.

http://tinyurl.com/y7rkj9s5

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:53 AM (J70i0)


Total piece of shit. Just die already

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2018 07:57 AM (SiINZ)

19 The big news from SCOTUS is its decision to allow states to collect
taxes from internet sales. A boon for brick and mortar stores or
taxation without representation? Discuss



They upended a long standing ruling that stores who had no presence in a State could not be forced to collect taxes. And the so-called conservative judges sided with the taxes.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 07:57 AM (mpXpK)

20 Can we throw the bodies of 20 million Russian lives killed by the National Socialist on the 55 million killed by the Soviet Socialist and agree socialism killed about 75 million in Russia alone?

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 07:57 AM (JFO2v)

21 McCain who told IRS to make it 'financially ruinous' for tea party groups....now works at WH. WTF?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 07:55 AM (W+vEI)

I doubt the WH knew until JW got the memo through FOIA.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:58 AM (J70i0)

22 Good Morning.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2018 07:58 AM (WidQN)

23 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:53 AM (J70i0)

More news that McCain is a piece of human debris....shocka
Posted by: A dude in MI at June 22, 2018 07:55 AM (CDETr)


And now that Krauthammer has gone down, they'll probably keep Keating Five Johnny on ice for a few more weeks.

So we got that going for us. Which is not nice.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2018 07:58 AM (cY3LT)

24 I though I read something yesterday about a proposal to merge the Departments of Education and Labor.

Excellent idea. An efficient organization with about 1,000 employees that reinforces to universities that training for jobs is their actual mission.

A merger creates so many opportunities.

I would love to see what Trump could accomplish after his 2020 wave election.

Posted by: Carpe Manana at June 22, 2018 07:58 AM (PbH71)

25 "Roseanne" without Roseanne won't be worth watching. That was the only show I watched on ABC. Nothing now.

Posted by: JAS at June 22, 2018 07:58 AM (3HNOQ)

26 I bet the iterwebs will be full of the time cover photoshopped to show liberal crying at PDT feet.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 07:58 AM (JFO2v)

27 Dangerous ground we tread. Here there be monsters.

Courage
Courage
Courage

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 07:59 AM (roQNm)

28 g'mornin' again, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 22, 2018 07:59 AM (ZQfW9)

29 AP is no longer a news organzation. They are a propaganda organ for the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 07:59 AM (mpXpK)

30 This recent immigration sh*tshow is radical leftism at its 'best'

Cloward-Piven crisis designed to break the existing system with Alinsky's 'hold them to THEIR principles'.

On my FB feed, it seems only the lefty females are buying this crap.

Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 08:00 AM (lWCRE)

31 Ryan's bill isn't worth worrying about. The vote was postponed because Ryan knew it would fail if he held the vote today - what will change over the weekend? But even if it passes, Schumer and pals have sworn to kill it in the Senate, because they think open borders and Dreamers are a good Campaign Issue for them in the fall. So nothing will ever even get to Trump's desk.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:00 AM (V2Yro)

32 Sessions unified field theory:
He never recused. Sessions has been directioning the DOJ all this time. Ruby rod is a cabin boy.
Some wag called Sessions the silent assassin. Is President Trump his assignment?
The investigations will show the boobs some ankle but will never deliver the naked truth.
Sessions will broom the guilty just like Comey.

Posted by: d9 at June 22, 2018 08:00 AM (WX+x0)

33 Well, I depressed the hell out of myself at the end of the ONT. How about a short anecdote?

You're probably familiar with the story of Mozart composing the overture to The Marriage of Figaro the day before the opera opened.

His contemporary, the Irish playwright Richard Sheridan, however, went him one better: at the premiere performance of his play Pizarro, the script wasn't even complete - Sheridan wrote the last two scenes as the show was playing to a packed house!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2018 08:00 AM (kqsXK)

34 Mick Mulvaney has a plan to radically reorganize the federal agencies. D@mn, that guy is awesome!!

Watch the 7 minute video...

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y82vqx5b

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 08:00 AM (W+vEI)

35 Embarrassing: Conservative Amnesty Bill Fails in House; Vote on More "Moderate" Sellout Postponed Until Monday


It is still amnesty no matter what they call it. And the word is RINO Ryan's bill will not pass.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:01 AM (mpXpK)

36 'Morning, Horde. Another tour de force, J.J.

But I would take issue with your description of open borders as Dems' Holy Grail. No. Their Holy Grail is Democrat rule forever. Open borders are the means to that end.

The average Dem-on-the-street doesn't understand that. He believes them when they say it's "for the chirrun".

Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (sMMcg)

37 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (EyPfd)

38 JJ, WRT the internet taxation thing, I think it is neither of the choices you offered. IMO, convenience is the thing that favors online shopping over BaM, not the tax savings. And since the taxes are paid by the recipient, they have representation in the taxing area.

I think a more interesting question is, why can states require businesses to collect taxes - whether those businesses are in-state or not? This is, in effect, requiring the business to do the state's job, without recompense. This is, in turn, the very thing that the courts have assured us the feds cannot do to the states re: illegal immigration.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (Vzqe+)

39 On the Internet sales tax, I support the ability to tax it but I don't like forcing businesses trying to determine every little tax and what is taxed in every jurisdiction. I believe Internet sales taxes need to be set at the state level and they can't exceed the maximum sales tax in the state. Let the states determine how to divide the money.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:56 AM (J70i0)


The ONLY justification for taxing sales is that a business operates in your taxing jurisdiction... and therefore, benefits (both the business and its customers) from the services the local government provides.

If they don't operate inside that jurisdiction, then nobody's being served by the taxing entity.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (cY3LT)

40 I'm on the "meh" side of the internet sales tax issue. I've declared internet purchases on my Ohio income tax for years. It probably is time for this issue to be re-examined in light of the way we purchase goods has changed with the internet.

Of course, HOW this is going to be accomplished is a different matter. Since it is interstate congress the U.S. Congress needs to handle it but they're fkn useless.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (5Yee7)

41 Related: Levin - Is It Too Late to Have a Lawful Immigration System?


It was too late in 1965 when they sold us out the first time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:03 AM (mpXpK)

42
Can we throw the bodies of 20 million Russian lives killed by the
National Socialist on the 55 million killed by the Soviet Socialist and
agree socialism killed about 75 million in Russia alone?


Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 07:57 AM


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Socialist on Socialist violence always has a higher body count than normal wars. Spain was the test bed for Mr. Hilter's foray into the peace loving Union of Soviet Socialists.

Posted by: This is CNN at June 22, 2018 08:03 AM (+Dllb)

43 I was looking at a pic the other day on PMSNBC and it was from 2014. All of this illegals being treated bad is pure lies.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:03 AM (JFO2v)

44
I very much did not like that Federalist article.

Not even as food for thought.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:03 AM (roQNm)

45 >>I doubt the WH knew until JW got the memo through FOIA.

yep, how would they know?
just shows how well these people burrow into power. WH knowS now....

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 08:03 AM (W+vEI)

46 On the section of news known as 'You don't see that every day' Navy MCPON has resigned while under investigation.

http://tinyurl.com/y8zds5cv

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM (EyPfd)

47 As I brought up during the ONT, a RICO lawsuit has been filed against the Clinton Slush Fund naming a lot of rats and George Soros as defendants.

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/district-of-columbia/
dcdce/1:2018cv01422/197752

(remove the space between the / and the d on the next line to make it work. Cut to preserve width.)

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM (J+mig)

48 The biggest problem we have was pointed out by the fate of the Goodlatte bill - and that bill wasn't even that conservative, but at least it would have restricted future immigration and provided funds to build the wall.

And that bill lost, 193 - 241. So that's what we're facing - there are only 193 congressmen who will even consider supporting Trump on anything. Remember that number whenever anyone says "But Trump has a Republican House!!"! No he doesn't - we are in the minority by 40 seats in the House, and in the minority by 20 seats in the Senate. (only 40 Senators ever vote conservative)

We can only hope the midterms shift these numbers at least a bit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM (V2Yro)

49 Brought over from the ONT, because this fellow Moron needs our prayers:

My poor old doggy is near the end so I'm staying home today. help me horde.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 07:08 AM (UdKB7)

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM (kqsXK)

50 And since the taxes are paid by the recipient, they have representation in the taxing area.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (Vzqe+)


So then it has nothing to do with where I'm shopping.

It's not a sales tax, it's an existence tax. How about we stop pretending we're free citizens then, who have a right to choose, because that's what this is. It's slavery.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM (cY3LT)

51 Thanks JJ, morning horde.

Posted by: Sumdumchief at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM (xaWhF)

52 On my FB feed, it seems only the lefty females are buying this crap.

Yes and a couple of beta males. The new story is that it does not matter when it started it just needs to change NOW ELEVENTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody seems to care that Trump is aiming at stopping human trafficking and that Obama ignored the law for years. The stupidity on the issue is astounding.

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne at June 22, 2018 08:06 AM (xU7mE)

53 Hey Pat the big ole mean TV writer, why do you target 4 YOs? You man card is permanently revoked.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:06 AM (JFO2v)

54 ' A boon for brick and mortar stores or taxation without representation?'

Politicians always want to get our money any way they can so they can spend it on worthless shit. Who benefits from this? Not us that's for damn sure.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 08:06 AM (UdKB7)

55 The iconic "toddler crying" situation is even more "iconic". Mom is a repeat offender border jumper.
She did the same thing in 2013 apparently without a kid. https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycy4nqzv

Posted by: Lester at June 22, 2018 08:06 AM (LfJIn)

56 I think a more interesting question is, why can
states require businesses to collect taxes - whether those businesses
are in-state or not? This is, in effect, requiring the business to do
the state's job, without recompense. This is, in turn, the very thing
that the courts have assured us the feds cannot do to the states re:
illegal immigration.



Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM

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Business located in State are already doing the State's job for free by collecting sales taxes and remitting them to the State. That is part of the agreement you make when you apply for a license to do business with the State(s) you are located in.

Problem is, that out of State business with no presence in the State has not entered into an agreement with the State to collect and remits sales taxes to the State. That is the part I have a problem with.

Posted by: This is CNN at June 22, 2018 08:06 AM (+Dllb)

57 Pope Frankie apparently did not trash Trump on the immigration sh*tshow

He specifically called out sh*t Midas as well...


"During the Obama years I celebrated Mass in Ciudad Juárez while on the other side of the border 50 bishops concelebrated and in the stadium there were many people," Pope Francis continued. "The problem already existed there. It’s not just an issue with Trump but goes back to prior governments."

Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 08:07 AM (lWCRE)

58 By the way, something obvious about the fact that the most damning of Peter Strzoke's missing text messages was not originally in the texts discovered: the fact that it was missing in the first place is an admission of guilt by whoever made it "disappear" during the investigation. And no, it is an admission by more that the Peter Stoker himself - it is an admission of guilt by whoever was tasked with recovery of those messages. That person saw this was a nuclear text and specifically deleted it from the discovery process; they gave us the one before and the one after - but not that text message. SO ADMISSION OF GUILT.

Posted by: An Observation at June 22, 2018 08:07 AM (4lSQQ)

59 The iconic "toddler crying" situation is even more "iconic". Mom is a repeat offender border jumper.
She did the same thing in 2013 apparently without a kid. https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycy4nqzv
Posted by: Lester at June 22, 2018 08:06 AM (LfJIn)


Lovely. Also she left three other kids at home.

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne at June 22, 2018 08:07 AM (xU7mE)

60 It's not a sales tax, it's an existence tax. How about we stop pretending we're free citizens then, who have a right to choose, because that's what this is. It's slavery.
Posted by: BurtTC

So, if I drive to a brick and mortar store in a town that's in state, but in another county, do I then owe my county and my city taxes on my purchase?

What happens if I'm traveling and buy gas at a station out of state?

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:07 AM (8ikIW)

61 Anyone with any sense do not want flash mobs at the border demanding to get in. Every country has the right to defend and control it's borders. Despite the leftist and media trying to push this crap down our throats I think most people are with Trump on this issue. We need to control who and what comes into this country for our own good. We don't want to become Venezuela North.

Posted by: Case at June 22, 2018 08:07 AM (2AmoJ)

62 The big news from SCOTUS is its decision to allow states to collect taxes from internet sales. A boon for brick and mortar stores or taxation without representation? Discuss.

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All I can say is this decision is going to affect me in a very negative way. I'm a sole proprietor of an online business. I will have no army of accountants or IT people at my disposal to figure out how to submit taxes to the other 49 states and all of their assorted municipalities. It will likely make me close my doors after 15 years online.

Not to mention, PDT trumpeted this decision on his twatter as a good thing for consumers. But these taxes will likely add roughly 10% to everything anyone buys online now.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun & Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:08 AM (mQ0Mc)

63 So then it has nothing to do with where I'm shopping.



It's not a sales tax, it's an existence tax. How about we stop
pretending we're free citizens then, who have a right to choose, because
that's what this is. It's slavery.


Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM

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I would call it more of a "consumption" tax myself. After all it is based on what you purchase. No one is forcing you to buy anything.

Posted by: This is CNN at June 22, 2018 08:08 AM (+Dllb)

64 "The same Tea Party that tried to drag [McCain's] stupid carcass into the White House?
He seems nice"

In 2008 the American People had a choice to vote for either B'ezlebub, Lucifer, Satan or the Devil.

We ended up with the stuttering retarded version.

Posted by: The F'ing Blue Bird of Joy at June 22, 2018 08:08 AM (PoZng)

65 "Valera said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border. "


She has already been deported at least once. I don't give a shit if they get separated for the next ten years. She has already shown she shouldn't have kids.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 08:09 AM (UdKB7)

66 Progressive quote compassion unquote always always involves removing something from one class and awarding it to another. It is a best a zero sum game and sometimes a negative sum game.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:09 AM (JFO2v)

67 NO-seanne: ABC Orders 1-Episode Spinoff of "Roseanne" Without Namesake Actress



WTF?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:10 AM (y4bHB)

68 Willowed

He's a good dog and loved life and his humans.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 07:58 AM (UdKB7)


And he knew he was loved and treasured!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 22, 2018 08:10 AM (n9EOP)

69 The internet tax thing is just a total kick in the face for anybody who buys things that are not available to them in a local "brick and mortar".

I'm still wondering how this will affect international sellers who ship to the US.

I suspect they'll stop doing business with American customers if they are forced to deal with this tax crap as well.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:10 AM (WDCYi)

70 67 NO-seanne: ABC Orders 1-Episode Spinoff of "Roseanne" Without Namesake Actress



WTF?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:10 AM (y4bHB)

10 Episode. Not 1.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:10 AM (WDCYi)

71 Mornin' Horde. I understand the sales tax thing is a big deal, but I remain baffled as to why Lucia[\i] continues to fly so completely under the radar. Ah well, perhaps I read too much into it...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 22, 2018 08:10 AM (lLeln)

72 67 NO-seanne: ABC Orders 1-Episode Spinoff of "Roseanne" Without Namesake Actress

WTF?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:10 AM (y4bHB)

10 Episodes. Oops. Fixed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (VM6ev)

73
Internet taxes, if business selling online were smart, they would stop doing business in states that want to tax internet sales.

But the businesses aren't paying the tax; they just collect it. At some point, the higher cost of internet sales tip the balance over convenience, and some people, like me, just do without the thing and stop buying. So the poor get poorer and the rich get richer and this is called equality.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (roQNm)

74 My marxist union teacher musician friend
(nice enough guy , just a lefty commie)

is convinced that the pending SCOTUS decision on union dues will 'gut' the union movement in America.

Since most of the unions are public sector, I'm all for that.


Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (lWCRE)

75 Mcpon fired, what I d call a reasonable start, carry on.

Posted by: Sumdumchief at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (xaWhF)

76 I'm on the "meh" side of the internet sales tax issue. I've declared internet purchases on my Ohio income tax for years. It probably is time for this issue to be re-examined in light of the way we purchase goods has changed with the internet.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

As I live in Ohio, whenever I buy anything on Ebay in Ohio, I have to pay Ohio sales tax on the purchase. I think this is the general practice on Ebay. When you buy something on Ebay within the state it is sold in, you have to pay the State sales tax, whatever that is.

The rest of it is just too confusing. You expect some little mom and pop Ebay business to be able to handle state taxes for the other 49 states?
It's just another level of Federal tyranny. Taxes, and another way to criminalize people.

As someone commented last night, I would almost be sure that Bezos/Amazon is all for this, because it would be REALLY hard on small internet competitors. It is a piece that would keep Amazon on top.

It was the same thing with the FDA regulating cigarettes. The people at Philip Morris were all for it, because it would wreck the smaller generic cigarette brands, who could not comply wiht the FDA regulations.

Big corporations are almost always good with government regulation, as it helps them suppress the small fry.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (S6Pax)

77 " I'm a sole proprietor of an online business. I will have no army of accountants or IT people at my disposal to figure out how to submit taxes to the other 49 states and all of their assorted municipalities. "

Now you understand why Amazon wasn't really fighting this. They will be more than happy to be the middle-man for your transactions (for a fee, of course) and to run your website on their AWS cloud, and you really won't mind if they track your traffic, products and prices, right?

Posted by: The F'ing Blue Bird of Joy at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (PoZng)

78 66 Progressive quote compassion unquote always always involves removing something from one class and awarding it to another. It is a best a zero sum game and sometimes a negative sum game.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:09 AM (JFO2v)


The idea is not to bring people up but to punish and drag everyone else down.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:12 AM (VM6ev)

79 No. Their Holy Grail is Democrat rule forever. Open borders are the means to that end.

The average Dem-on-the-street doesn't understand that. He believes them when they say it's "for the chirrun".
Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (sMMcg)


I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Free $h!t Army members have a very up close and personal relationship with various Children's Services. The FSA knows all about being separated from their kids when they fvkc up and get arrested or caught neglecting their kids. They know nobody's crying for them and I would be willing to be money that most of they couldn't care less about a bunch of illegal alien kids "ripped" from their families.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 22, 2018 08:12 AM (5Yee7)

80 It's not a sales tax, it's an existence tax. How about we stop pretending we're free citizens then, who have a right to choose, because that's what this is. It's slavery.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2018 08:04 AM (cY3LT)


For some reason, evidence keeps mounting up that, as usual, Vic is spot on with his "UniParty" terminology!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 22, 2018 08:12 AM (n9EOP)

81 Whenever I see those Obama-era photos of kids wrapped in silver "blankets" in chain link "cages" I think of breakfast tacos. They look just like breakfast tacos piled up on a counter in a taqueria for sale during the morning rush.

Posted by: Lester at June 22, 2018 08:12 AM (LfJIn)

82 73 So the poor get poorer and the rich get richer and this is called equality.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (roQNm)


Wait, aren't we supposed to be strict Darwinist "If you can't run with the Alphas, get out of the Gene Pool" types?

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:13 AM (WDCYi)

83 66 Progressive quote compassion unquote always always involves removing something from one class and awarding it to another. It is a best a zero sum game and sometimes a negative sum game.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:09 AM (JFO2v)


The idea is not to bring people up but to punish and drag everyone else down.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:12 AM (VM6ev)


All the while skimming a "quite modest" management fee off the top!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 22, 2018 08:14 AM (n9EOP)

84 @79 oops, that should be "willing to bet money"

I would give my kingdom for a damn Preview button.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 22, 2018 08:14 AM (5Yee7)

85 74 My marxist union teacher musician friend
(nice enough guy , just a lefty commie)

is convinced that the pending SCOTUS decision on union dues will 'gut' the union movement in America.

Since most of the unions are public sector, I'm all for that.


Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (lWCRE)


The article is enraging since California is preemptively trying to short circuit it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:14 AM (VM6ev)

86 " It probably is time for this issue to be re-examined in light of the way we purchase goods has changed with the internet. "

It will be a taxing nightmare. Lets say that you sell me a product, how do you know what taxing jurisdiction I am in so that you can act as that government's tax collector (at your expense)?

By postal code? My postal code covers three different taxing jurisdictions, each with their own sales tax rate. By street address? Do you think that Database comes cheap and is maintained well enough that you don't end up paying expensive fines for remitting sales tax collections to the wrong agency?

Posted by: The F'ing Blue Bird of Joy at June 22, 2018 08:15 AM (PoZng)

87 The idea is not to bring people up but to punish and drag everyone else down.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:12 AM (VM6ev)

I saw this in 1972 and 1973 in Little Rock Ar. In the 7th and 8th grades I had books that we basically the same thing we had in 5th and 6th years.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:15 AM (JFO2v)

88 Here in NJ, we are on the verge of a govt shutdown b/c the far-left Gov Murphy is demanding high long-term taxes than the not-as-far-left Dem controlled legislature is willing to give him.

He has a 6 year term, but most of the legislature has 2 year terms. They dont want to piss off the electorate anymore than necessary.

Blue on Blue govt shutdown.. pass the popcorn !

Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 08:16 AM (lWCRE)

89 have a very up close and personal relationship with various Children's Services.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 22, 2018 08:12 AM

They also get enormous "donations" for political candidates from the taxmoney paid (extorted and laundered) through the sob! care and feeding of illegal alien children not to mention they are addicted to cheap busboys, childcare and toilet cleaners as their right as the superiors of the world.

Posted by: Lester at June 22, 2018 08:16 AM (LfJIn)

90 Big corporations are almost always good with government regulation, as it helps them suppress the small fry.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM (S6Pax)


And the lawyer class just loves them some government regulation because they get paid from the results at every conceivable level!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 22, 2018 08:16 AM (n9EOP)

91
I've seen people here reference 'when the balloon goes up' and I assumed it meant some sort of apocalypse. Just searched:

The term when the balloon goes up refers to the large barrage balloons which were raised on steel cables above British cities during the Second World War. The idea was that enemy bombers would keep away from the cities, fearing that the steel cables would slice through their wings. Therefore, when the barrage balloons went up, it was a sign for a city's inhabitants of a pending air raid.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 08:16 AM (LOgQ4)

92 I can grasp the progression of the inundation of illegals over time, especially since the Kennedy 1965 destruction of immigration laws. But how did it happen that illegals got SO many benefits thrown at them? Surely that did not start in the '60s. I think the legislation would have been much more difficult to pass if there were tons of bennies attached to it. (I could be wrong). So how did they get to the point of being COMPLETELY subsidized by the American taxpayer?

Posted by: Brunnhilde at June 22, 2018 08:17 AM (aW5/6)

93 Morning Horde. New Jurassic world movie was very mediocre. Plot was.... like exactly the same as the last movie, come to think of it. But at least it's got Chris Pratt, for those of you who like him.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2018 08:17 AM (mk7Bj)

94 Wait, aren't we supposed to be strict Darwinist "If you can't run with the Alphas, get out of the Gene Pool" types?

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If you are going all Huxley and Brave New World, you kill the alpha and take his place until someone kills you.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:17 AM (roQNm)

95 "Wait, aren't we supposed to be strict Darwinist "If you can't run with the Alphas, get out of the Gene Pool" types"

Yeah, these Margaret Sanger wanna-bees change their tune when they discover that they are among those in need of purging.

Posted by: The F'ing Blue Bird of Joy at June 22, 2018 08:17 AM (PoZng)

96 Why don't we catch, identify, release (back to point of entry) and forever bar illegal border jumpers?
If there isn't existing law allowing the Executive to do that then Congress needs to pass it.

If you need a lot of quick trials to establish the forever-barred part, then you could easily set up some efficient, limited jurisdiction, specialized courts to do the job, as you'd be adjudicating a pretty limited set of facts (you're here, aren't a citizen, intentionally came across in violation of US law). Particularly if you came across with your family, I think that's pretty conclusive proof you came here with intent to live here (didn't just "stray across").

If you want to appeal, accept the fact that you're going to be held in detention pending your appeal. No exceptions.

It wouldn't seem that hard to put a judicial component in place that could get the job done. Sen Cruz? Anyone?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2018 08:17 AM (BsGS1)

97 Mornin' all...

@realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago

Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November. Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2018 08:18 AM (Enq6K)

98 Mixed emotions on the internet sales tax thing.

Jeff Bezos will be hit hard, I'm ok with that.

Small internet sales companies will also be hit hard for those purchases from citizens in non-tax free states, I'm not ok with that.

Tax free internet sales simply reinforced the idea that we live in one big world, not in a republic of individual states. Removing that globalization feeling, good.

Citizens of sales tax states will feel the pinch. Maybe this will influence their votes for those who like to impose and or increase taxes? Maybe good?

Helping the mom and pops on main street, good.

Posted by: squeakywheel at June 22, 2018 08:18 AM (vB7kY)

99 Good morning (again), Horde!

Posted by: TickledPink at June 22, 2018 08:19 AM (bAUoi)

100 America Is Over, But I Won't See It Go Without an Epic Fight

Consider the truth of this article.

Since the beginning of the 20th century, we have seen and almost relentless growth of the Federal government. And all governments (state and city) generally.

More government, more control.
Less individual sovereignty, less individual responsibility for anything.

We need a vast intellectual and philosophical renaissance to reverse this. Voting alone will not change the course or direction of this trend.

Where will that renaissance come from, with the Academy controlled by the Socialist Left? It would be strangled in the crib.

So yes, reluctantly, the America many of us thought we knew is doomed.
In one of his "future" histories, Heinlein remarked that when a fruit is ripe, it falls, and he said America "was" rotten. He saw this over 50 years ago.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:19 AM (S6Pax)

101 It will be a taxing nightmare. Lets say that you sell me a product, how do you know what taxing jurisdiction I am in so that you can act as that government's tax collector (at your expense)?

By postal code? My postal code covers three different taxing jurisdictions, each with their own sales tax rate. By street address? Do you think that Database comes cheap and is maintained well enough that you don't end up paying expensive fines for remitting sales tax collections to the wrong agency?

Posted by: The F'ing Blue Bird of Joy at June 22, 2018 08:15 AM (PoZng)


That's why I also said that the U.S. Congress should deal with this since it is an interstate commerce issue. Of course, they are useless so they will probably punt.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 22, 2018 08:19 AM (5Yee7)

102 That Federalist piece was somber but truthful, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2018 08:20 AM (WidQN)

103 Roseanne without Roseanne. Okay. I see a flaming disaster in the making. Maybe they can get Deniro signed on. Or Peter Fonda. Or Sally Field. Or Samantha Bee. Or Kathy Griffin. No violent call-to-arms, no horrible insult is too great if it's directed at Trump and his family...so no chance they'll ever be fired for their remarks. Win!

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun & Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:21 AM (mQ0Mc)

104 Well, now we know why Amazon raised the price of Amazon Prime $20. They knew what was coming.

Posted by: Bill R. at June 22, 2018 08:22 AM (IuYIh)

105 Now you understand why Amazon wasn't really fighting
this. They will be more than happy to be the middle-man for your
transactions (for a fee, of course) and to run your website on their AWS
cloud, and you really won't mind if they track your traffic, products
and prices, right?






Posted by: The F'ing Blue Bird of Joy at June 22, 2018 08:11 AM

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Amazon wasn't fighting it because they have a presence in nearly every state.


Walmart is the Countries largest online retailer and they love this because they are already collecting sales taxes on every purchase made because they are located in every single State.

Posted by: This is CNN at June 22, 2018 08:22 AM (+Dllb)

106 Have any of the for the chirruns screamers come forward to sponsor an entire family or 2 or 3...into there 10 bedroom homes? And by sponsor I mean YOU feed them, make sure they don't get into any shit, and when it's time for their hearing YOU make sure they are there or YOU will end up in prison for .....5 years.

Any takers?

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:22 AM (8ikIW)

107 I couldn't finish reading the Federalist piece.

Posted by: squeakywheel at June 22, 2018 08:22 AM (vB7kY)

108 Neighbor came over to borrow the lawn mower and the blade will not engage. So more expense.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:22 AM (mpXpK)

109 More noos today is Friday, June 22, 2018. On this day in 1969 the Cuyahoga River caught fire in Cleveland, Ohio, drawing national attention to water pollution, and spurring the passing of the Clean Water Act and the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency. Two of the biggest scams in US history. This river had caught fire many times going all the way back to the 1800s.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:23 AM (mpXpK)

110 104 Well, now we know why Amazon raised the price of Amazon Prime $20. They knew what was coming.
Posted by: Bill R. at June 22, 2018 08:22 AM (IuYIh)

The supposed original intent was to subsidize lower-cost prime membership for "disadvantaged communities".

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:23 AM (WDCYi)

111 Gun rights groups are suing Columbus and Cincinnati Ohio over their new gun grabbing laws.


http://tinyurl.com/y9spyf23

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:23 AM (mpXpK)

112 Thanks for bringing f'd along, MP4. I think we've all been there. We can get him through this.

Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 08:23 AM (sMMcg)

113 Susan Rice ordered cyber security to standdown and cease fighting against the Russian cyber attacks of US computers. No known reason given for this stupid order.


http://tinyurl.com/yc7h3l7g

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:24 AM (mpXpK)

114 Credit service Intuit has ceased processing gun purchases so here is another BS company for the Morons to boycott.


http://tinyurl.com/ya8h7fvr

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:24 AM (mpXpK)

115 So how did they get to the point of being COMPLETELY subsidized by the American taxpayer?

like bankruptcy..
slowly at first and then VERY fast

now its automatically assumed that illegals can benefit from any and all govt entitlements

b/c of the children of course

Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 08:24 AM (lWCRE)

116 Well, now we know why Amazon raised the price of Amazon Prime $20. They knew what was coming.


Just a few days ago I was shopping online for a thing. I had almost decided to buy the thing, but didn't.

When I did decide to buy the thing, the price had gone up $50 and there was a $65 delivery charge. Probably the last thing but one, that I buy online.

Anyone know where I can buy rope and clothes pins? I can save between 10-20 dollars a month air drying clothes instead of using an electric dryer.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:24 AM (roQNm)

117 RINO Ryan's amnesty deal has been defeated by Senate Democrats who will oppose anything.


http://tinyurl.com/y728vgns

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:24 AM (mpXpK)

118 So the FBI has a chance to fix itself but resorts to Progressivism 101: What had to do what we did to stop what we did want done.

Step 4 is to parade around in the skin of the dead organization and demand respect.
Step 5 is to actually believe the dead skinned hulk about your shoulders somehow grants you the skills of the beast.

Rather primitive!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:25 AM (JFO2v)

119 More noos today is Friday, June 22, 2018. On this
day in 1969 the Cuyahoga River caught fire in Cleveland, Ohio, drawing
national attention to water pollution, and spurring the passing of the
Clean Water Act and the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency.
Two of the biggest scams in US history. This river had caught fire many
times going all the way back to the 1800s.



Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:23 AM

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We actually drove up from Akron to see the river burn when I was a kid. It was very weird blueish green flames. Colorful.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2018 08:25 AM (+Dllb)

120 Ramirez


http://tinyurl.com/ybrcf7kn


And that's it for today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:25 AM (mpXpK)

121 Thanks MPPPP. I left a little more info at the end of the ONT and will say no more until it's over. As usual the HQ will get us thru.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 08:25 AM (UdKB7)

122 Susan Rice ordered cyber security to standdown and cease fighting against the Russian cyber attacks of US computers. No known reason given for this stupid order.

--

Are we allowed to say Russian Collusion?

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2018 08:25 AM (mk7Bj)

123 Valera said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.
_____________________

The article I read yesterday said the dad had stayed in Honduras, and that he had not agreed with the mother's decision to take the kid to the U.S.

It will be interesting to see the basis for the mother's asylum claim. (If it's ever reported, that is). Honduras wasn't safe enough for her, but it was safe enough for her husband?

Has anybody told this mother that Jeff Sessions recently eliminated several of the bogus grounds for claiming asylum that Obama had allowed (like spousal abuse, fear of gang violence, etc.), so her chances of actually getting asylum now are greatly diminished?

No doubt the prospect of claiming asylum and assuring yourself and your family thousands of dollars of "free" taxpayer-funded goodies every month is tempting, but is it really good enough to risk your kid being raped or murdered by cartel thugs? Apparently so. I guess that's Trump's fault too, right?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2018 08:25 AM (fqUgw)

124 Well, just arrived and I see taxes and somber Federalist spirit dominating. What this horde needs is cocktail hour. Bloody Mary's for everyone, on me!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 08:26 AM (ULoJS)

125 I think a more interesting question is, why can states require businesses to collect taxes - whether those businesses are in-state or not?

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (Vzqe+)

Just think of it as a state-level tariff.

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 22, 2018 08:26 AM (hMwEB)

126 Susan Rice ordered cyber security to standdown and cease fighting against the Russian cyber attacks of US computers. No known reason given for this stupid order.

http://tinyurl.com/yc7h3l7g
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party


And yet, nothing will ever happen to her. She will re-emerge into public life when the wheel turns and a Democrat is elected President again.

I hope you wife is doing well and is on the road to complete recovery.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:26 AM (S6Pax)

127 98 Helping the mom and pops on main street, good.

Posted by: squeakywheel at June 22, 2018 08:18 AM (vB7kY)

While I'd prefer to do things that way, there are just too many things that I have to purchase online because they are just plain not available in a mom-and-pop (or even big box, for that matter), and they never will be.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:27 AM (WDCYi)

128 I didn't think that the Federalist piece was particularly well written, but the comparison between the fate of the American Indians and the slow death of traditional America is one I've pondered myself more than once in the last couple years.

I'm one of the 5 percent that didn't cringe at the ought of scalping someone, but I've reading about frontier warfare since I was twelve and imagined what it would be like many times before.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 22, 2018 08:28 AM (bZ7mE)

129 Even if [Macklin] did that, if he did steal the car. Youve got insurance let him go to jail. I wouldve rather had to get a call to go bail him out of jail than to get a phone call that hes dead.

And there you have the quote of the decade. You got shit we want and it is our right to take it without a fight from you.

I just signed up wife for concealed permit and getting her a gun.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 08:28 AM (JFO2v)

130 Why don't we catch, identify, release (back to point of entry) and forever bar illegal border jumpers?
If there isn't existing law allowing the Executive to do that then Congress needs to pass it.

If you need a lot of quick trials to establish the forever-barred part, then you could easily set up some efficient, limited jurisdiction, specialized courts to do the job, as you'd be adjudicating a pretty limited set of facts (you're here, aren't a citizen, intentionally came across in violation of US law). Particularly if you came across with your family, I think that's pretty conclusive proof you came here with intent to live here (didn't just "stray across").

If you want to appeal, accept the fact that you're going to be held in detention pending your appeal. No exceptions.

It wouldn't seem that hard to put a judicial component in place that could get the job done. Sen Cruz? Anyone?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2018 08:17 AM


or we could "tag" them like they did to Snake Plisskin & sent them back into mexico; then set up a perimeter of RFID triggers

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 22, 2018 08:31 AM (ZQfW9)

131 I'm one of the 5 percent that didn't cringe at the ought of scalping someone, but I've reading about frontier warfare since I was twelve and imagined what it would be like many times before.
Posted by: Grey Fox


The idea of turning violently against my neighbors and work associates that I know have opposite political opinions really sickens me.
I don't want violence, but I think the inevitable is coming.
Proof is what our "federal investigative" agency was doing prior to the last election. Cops will do what they are told. They will follow orders.
Figure out the rest.

The future is a dark road.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:31 AM (S6Pax)

132 The area where the Cuyahoga River was so polluted that an oil slick burned was very industrial in those days. Now, all the plants are closed, mostly torn down, and restaurants and bars are all over. The west side of the river is booming with apartment development. They city and the river both might be in the best shape it's been in over fifty years.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 08:31 AM (ULoJS)

133 Valera said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.
_____________________

The article I read yesterday said the dad had stayed in Honduras, and that he had not agreed with the mother's decision to take the kid to the U.S.

It will be interesting to see the basis for the mother's asylum claim. (If it's ever reported, that is). Honduras wasn't safe enough for her, but it was safe enough for her husband?

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As soon as she stepped foot out of Honduras into Guatemala, she was no longer being persecuted in her home country and she should have requested asylum in Guatemala.

She is not our problem.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:31 AM (pGS57)

134 Mysterious benefactor donates 250,000 British pounds to help for a three year olds cancer treatment in Mexico. What a kind person! I hope that the NHS will allow the girl leave England:

https://tinyurl.com/yb4sekgm

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2018 08:31 AM (O5K3f)

135 Vic, could be the switch that engages the mower. Simple cheap fix.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM (1WT1m)

136 ...not to mention they are addicted to cheap busboys, childcare and toilet cleaners as their right as the superiors of the world.

--

Can someone riddle me this.

All of these CoC types and other assorted business owners who want to keep their sacred cheap labor. The end result, if the D's and GOPe get their way, is legalization and ultimate citizenship. Does that not translate into them losing their sacred cheap labor? Would that not necessitate them having to pay wages Americans would get? I don't see the upshot here. They're angling for the very thing whose end result is legalization, citizenship and freshly minted Americans. Which puts them back to square one. Maybe I'm missing something...

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun & Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM (mQ0Mc)

137 Another thing about taxing EBay sales. I sell a lot of used parts on EBay. Parts that the sales tax was paid on when they were purchased new. Taxing them again when resold as used is bogus.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM (UdKB7)

138 Zod.

Carry on.

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM (Bdeb0)

139 Why couldn't Internet Sales tax just be based on location of where the seller is located? seems simpler, so I must be missing something obvious.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 22, 2018 08:33 AM (GRt50)

140 Daily cute doggies picture:

https://tinyurl.com/y9y5xa7j

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2018 08:33 AM (O5K3f)

141 Just hanging out at the car dealership....living the life.

I thought an early appointment would be a quick in and out, but....man it's busy.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 22, 2018 08:34 AM (bAUoi)

142 Anyone know where I can buy rope and clothes pins? I can save between 10-20 dollars a month air drying clothes instead of using an electric dryer.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


Check Amazon.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:34 AM (pGS57)

143 The photo was used on a Facebook fundraiser that drew more than $17 million dollars in donations from close to half a million people for the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES), a Texas-based nonprofit that provides legal defense services to immigrants and refugees.

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wanna bet the abandoned dad and kids never see one thin dime of that money?

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 22, 2018 08:35 AM (hMwEB)

144 71 Mornin' Horde. I understand the sales tax thing is a big deal, but I remain baffled as to why Lucia[\i] continues to fly so completely under the radar. Ah well, perhaps I read too much into it..."

No you did NOT read too much into it! That's going to go down as one of the most important decisions this session, while the tax ruling is more clickbait fluff. But it's too technical, too much legal inside baseball, and people who don't relate to issues about the internal structure of the Federal Govm't can't really identify with it.

so it gets ignored by the madding crowd.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:35 AM (V2Yro)

145 I thought an early appointment would be a quick in and out, but....man it's busy.
Posted by: TickledPink

My sister found that if she took her 3 kids along and let them play in the showroom, things got done quicker.
If you don't have any, maybe you can rent some from the detention camps

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:35 AM (8ikIW)

146 Another thing about taxing EBay sales. I sell a lot
of used parts on EBay. Parts that the sales tax was paid on when they
were purchased new. Taxing them again when resold as used is bogus.


Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM

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I have to pay sales tax at the junkyard when I get used parts there.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2018 08:36 AM (+Dllb)

147 Which puts them back to square one. Maybe I'm missing something...
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun & Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM

They want an endless supply. Amnesty for the ones aleady here isn't really the real point. That is just a step to continuing open borders and population replacement (genocide of uppity whites and blacks eventually).

Posted by: Lester at June 22, 2018 08:36 AM (LfJIn)

148 @145

Lol. I was going to get a loaner, so I could go run and get some breakfast, but someone told me if you stay and wait, they get done quicker.

But, I am kinda wishing I had gotten the loaner.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 22, 2018 08:36 AM (bAUoi)

149 It would take a heart of stone not to open the borders for the poor crying brown children.

Posted by: Make your checks out to Planned Parenthood at June 22, 2018 08:36 AM (KPc5Q)

150 142 Anyone know where I can buy rope and clothes pins? I can save between 10-20 dollars a month air drying clothes instead of using an electric dryer.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse

Walmart

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 22, 2018 08:36 AM (hMwEB)

151 JJ. Mueller Flea Circus. Hilarious. Thanks once again fo such a girthy report. And morning all.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 22, 2018 08:36 AM (2CQCl)

152 'I have to pay sales tax at the junkyard when I get used parts there. '


I know and that ain't right.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 08:37 AM (UdKB7)

153 All of these CoC types and other assorted business owners who want to keep their sacred cheap labor. The end result, if the D's and GOPe get their way, is legalization and ultimate citizenship. Does that not translate into them losing their sacred cheap labor? Would that not necessitate them having to pay wages Americans would get? I don't see the upshot here. They're angling for the very thing whose end result is legalization, citizenship and freshly minted Americans. Which puts them back to square one. Maybe I'm missing something...
Posted by: Lady in Black


Newly minted Democrat voters for life because Patron gots me citizenship.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:37 AM (pGS57)

154 But, I am kinda wishing I had gotten the loaner.
Posted by: TickledPink

From what I've heard, Loaners are even faster and better off road then a Rental

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:37 AM (8ikIW)

155 85 74 My marxist union teacher musician friend
(nice enough guy , just a lefty commie) is convinced that the pending SCOTUS decision on union dues will 'gut' the union movement in America."

I hope he's right - it's about damn time.

The ruling is going to be on the issue of whether Unions can collect money from union members paychecks for political operations even if those members haven't given them any approval to do that. Right now, most of the Unions income comes to them that way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:37 AM (V2Yro)

156 131 Cops will do what they are told. They will follow orders.
Figure out the rest.

The future is a dark road.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:31 AM (S6Pax)

Unless the Economy collapses to the point where they don't have a pension to hold hostage anymore.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:37 AM (WDCYi)

157 Here's what you do:

Collect the taxes and keep the money. If/when a state tells you to pay-up, pay-up.

Could add up to a nice retirement.

Warning: I am not a lawyer and this does not constitute legal advice.

Posted by: JAS at June 22, 2018 08:38 AM (3HNOQ)

158 Skandia Recluse, use the coated wire instead of rope.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2018 08:38 AM (1WT1m)

159 f'd, you say all you want about the pup. Please know you are not alone, There's a horde of morons with you.

Can someone please move those posts over here. I can't do it on this tablet.

Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 08:38 AM (sMMcg)

160 rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:34 AM

Heh! Shirley, you jest. The point was not buying online because of the internet sales tax. And how much would it cost me to drive all over God's Creation to find clothesline and clothespins? Or get on the telephone and call every store in the 'phone book? "Excuse me, but do you have clothesline and clothespins in stock and how much are they?"

lol

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (roQNm)

161 J.J. should be the spokesman for news of impending doom. The way he writes, he could give anything, no matter how awful, a silver lining just with his engaging writing style.

Okay, J.J. You can send me that check now.

Posted by: Jabroni at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (ZkXzk)

162 The thing that bothers me with the "doing jobs that Americans won't do" BS is, through HS and college, I used to do a lot of those jobs.

Maybe I'm not American

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (8ikIW)

163 That is just a step to continuing open borders and population replacement

--

Speaking of... I heard a stat on the news yesterday that said Texas would be majority Hispanic by 2025 (overall white population will become minority in the country in the 2040s...much faster than they had predicted earlier). If that's true, dreams of a blue TX are just around the corner.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun & Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (mQ0Mc)

164 The Wh was for the taxation decision. Why, Donald, WHY ?

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (bUjCl)

165 "The latest Rasmussen poll shows that a majority of Americans place the blame for this on the parents for placing their kids in mortal danger to be used as political pawns."


I realize that this is opposite to everything the Horde stands for, but can we in the future try not to panic every time the media demands that we do?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (hLRSq)

166 It is still amnesty no matter what they call it. And the word is RINO Ryan's bill will not pass.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:01 AM (mpXpK)


So Eddie Munster will end his submediocre career unable to deliver on Amigo Grande for his patrons, Tom Donohue and Miguel Fernandez. I hope that downsizes his compensation on whatever cush gig they have lined up for him.

He used to seem like a good guy, showing up on Levin's show and talking a good game. Then he made it abundantly clear that while sitting on Barney's Frank learning the ins and outs of budgeting all he was learning was how to feed the federal beast. Pretending to get smoked by rocket surgeon Patty Murray must've been pretty embarrassing for someone with a really smart reputation but you suck it up to do your master's bidding. Good fucking riddance.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (y7DUB)

167 156. The militsia, along with the KGB and Red Army, went unpaid for months - years, in some cases - and still followed orders, even with no hope of reward or fear of punishment. Normalcy Bias, it's called.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (fA1SL)

168 155 The ruling is going to be on the issue of whether Unions can collect money from union members paychecks for political operations even if those members haven't given them any approval to do that. Right now, most of the Unions income comes to them that way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:37 AM (V2Yro)

What's worse is that as things are now, Public Sector Unions can collect money from non-members' paychecks.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (WDCYi)

169 As soon as she stepped foot out of Honduras into Guatemala, she was no longer being persecuted in her home country and she should have requested asylum in Guatemala.

She is not our problem.
____________________

She wasn't being "persecuted" in Honduras in any event. And even if she was, she's required by international law to claim asylum in the first safe country she enters. She doesn't get to cross over several countries in order to get to the one with the most generous welfare benefits.

We all know why these people are coming here, and it's not because they're being "persecuted" by anyone in their home countries. It's because they want money. Our money. And the obama administration was happy to hand it out to them by the fist-fulls, because "social justice" or "browning of America" or whatever you want to call this racist idea that Americans somehow don't deserve the country that their ancestors founded, and that generations of their ancestors fought and worked and sacrificed and died to bequeath to them.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (fqUgw)

170 Skandia Recluse, use the coated wire instead of rope.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2018 08:38 AM

Yes. Thank you. Clothesline was the generic term everyone would understand.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (roQNm)

171 All of these CoC types and other assorted business owners who want to keep their sacred cheap labor. The end result, if the D's and GOPe get their way, is legalization and ultimate citizenship. Does that not translate into them losing their sacred cheap labor? Would that not necessitate them having to pay wages Americans would get? I don't see the upshot here. They're angling for the very thing whose end result is legalization, citizenship and freshly minted Americans. Which puts them back to square one. Maybe I'm missing something...

There is definitely seems to be something going with the immigration issue which doesn't entirely make sense and I don't think is adequately explained by the usual memes about cheap labor, class snobbery, and internationalism. It is like a black hole - you can't see it, but things move in patterns that tell us something is exerting a pull....Social security is part of it, but legalizing immigrants wouldn't help there.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (bZ7mE)

172 All of these CoC types and other assorted business owners who want to keep their sacred cheap labor. The end result, if the D's and GOPe get their way, is legalization and ultimate citizenship. Does that not translate into them losing their sacred cheap labor?"

I think they dream of a continued situation like we've had since 1986 - the creation of a permanent, low wage underclass which will always provide a large source of cheap labor. They don't want them to be citizens, they don't want them to ever leave. They always want to be able to pay them less than minimum wage and mostly tax free, because that's where their profits are.

Every country in history that has allowed the creation of a large and permanent underclass (outside the law) has suffered greatly because of it. But they don't care about that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (V2Yro)

173 * **** Which puts them back to square one. Maybe I'm missing something...
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM

One of life's ironies - the people that think mother earth's climate teeters on the edge of a knife think that the US economy and culture is so resilient that it could survive a complete replacement of the humans currently residing therein.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (GRt50)

174 Heh! Shirley, you jest. The point was not buying online because of the internet sales tax. And how much would it cost me to drive all over God's Creation to find clothesline and clothespins? Or get on the telephone and call every store in the 'phone book? "Excuse me, but do you have clothesline and clothespins in stock and how much are they?"

lol
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


*snort

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (pGS57)

175 >>149
It would take a heart of stone not to open the borders for the poor crying brown children. Posted by: Make your checks out to Planned Parenthood at June 22, 2018 08:36 AM (KPc5Q)

Someone needs to generate one of those Sally Struthers heartstring-pulling ads for t.v.: "For just three dollars a month, your help could ensure that Manuel manages to grow up into a scowling, heavily-tattooed narcotics entrepreneur. Please call."

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (Bdeb0)

176 161 J.J. should be the spokesman for news of impending doom. The way he writes, he could give anything, no matter how awful, a silver lining just with his engaging writing style.

Okay, J.J. You can send me that check now.
Posted by: Jabroni at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (ZkXzk)


Had you written this as a Nigerian 401 scammer, you'd've had the check via Western Union to cover all modalities.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (VM6ev)

177 142 Anyone know where I can buy rope and clothes pins? I can save between 10-20 dollars a month air drying clothes instead of using an electric dryer.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


Check Amazon.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:34 AM

The Container Store if you want fancy ones. I was there when my wife bought some in a fit of laundry nostalgia. I do like sun dried sheets so I should not complain.

Posted by: Lester at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (LfJIn)

178 >>Susan Rice ordered cyber security to standdown and cease fighting against the Russian cyber attacks of US computers. No known reason given for this stupid order.

--

>>Are we allowed to say Russian Collusion?
- - - -


Wasn't it Obama's DHS that was caught attempting to breach state voting systems in GA and maybe a few other states?

More like domestic terrorism/seep state shenanigans collusion.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (W+vEI)

179 126 I hope you wife is doing well and is on the road to complete recovery.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:26 AM (S6Pax)


she is doing very well but they will keep her for 20 days to monitor the stitches.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:42 AM (mpXpK)

180 OK, I read the Federalist piece and I thought it was kind of incoherent. What was his point? Does he really see no point other than honor in fighting the left? Has he completely ignored Trump's amazing successes? And not just Trump, but Mulvaney, many in the Congress and others.


Sure, we are fighting a sophisticated enemy, entrenched in our government, schools and culture. They flat-out control the media, now a corporate-dominated industry run by leftists like Bob Iger and so insulated from market forces that they don't seem to care if they make money or not.

That's our enemy. Make the media feel the pain of unemployment. Demand real reporting and condemn their editorializing at every opportunity, just as we are doing. Keep battling until CNN starts laying off people like Acosta. We need to go after their economic model first, last and always.

I'm not "Going Lakota", like the Federalist piece suggests. Those fuckers lost.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 08:42 AM (ULoJS)

181 eBay is shilling and soliciting for that Immigrant Legal support non profit group out of Texas. Moron Robbie pointed that out last night and I had to see for myself.

They aren't even hiding their intentions anymore.

Posted by: squeakywheel at June 22, 2018 08:43 AM (vB7kY)

182 Cops will do what they are told. They will follow orders.
Figure out the rest.

The future is a dark road.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 22, 2018 08:31 AM (S6Pax)


Doom!
Despair!
Gloom!
There is no hope!


It would be best if you died now; better that you were never born.

Woe.
Misery.
Anguish.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 08:43 AM (hLRSq)

183 Ok Horde, I beseech your collective firearm wisdom. My father in law owns a Sig P226 Legion. I had been sniffing out gift ideas for him, and thought he might like the flashlight attachment as a gift, since he does not have one yet (and they're not cheap). But According to him, you can only buy Legion attachments if you own the Sig Legion gun.

If I got him the flashlight attachment, I want to get him the one that goes with his gun, not just a generic one. Is there any way I can make this work?

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2018 08:43 AM (mk7Bj)

184 Skandia, the Walmart website lets you check if the item is in-store

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 22, 2018 08:43 AM (hMwEB)

185 Skandia Recluse, use the coated wire instead of rope.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2018 08:38 AM

Yes. Thank you. Clothesline was the generic term everyone would understand.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


Yes. I was joking about Amazon. The coated wire should be available at Home Depot or Lowes. Also possibly the clothes pins. As pointed out above, also check Wally World.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:44 AM (pGS57)

186 "69 The internet tax thing is just a total kick in the face for anybody who buys things that are not available to them in a local "brick and mortar".

It just means that you will be paying the same amount now as you would pay if you COULD find it in a local "brick and mortar". Amazon doesn't get to undersell Best Buy just because they don't have any local employees.

"I'm still wondering how this will affect international sellers who ship to the US. I suspect they'll stop doing business with American customers if they are forced to deal with this tax crap as well."

They can raise their prices to compensate for any loss in revenue. Or, if they decide not to do business here, then I'm sure some enterprising American entrepeneurs will rise up and fill the gap. They may even provide jobs for actual Americans.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:44 AM (V2Yro)

187 >>There is definitely seems to be something going with
the immigration issue which doesn't entirely make sense Posted by: Grey Fox at June 22, 2018 08:40 AM (bZ7mE)

The CoC's position would be rational (from their perspective) if the immigrant labor it seeks to import remained illiterate, servile, and cheap in perpetuity. That won't maintain past the first or second generation. If the immigrants wanted that, they could've stayed home or gone south, instead.

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 08:44 AM (Bdeb0)

188 "Upton's a dim bulb". Iswydt, bravo JJ

Posted by: Random Lurker Commenter at June 22, 2018 08:44 AM (oLa9K)

189 135
Vic, could be the switch that engages the mower. Simple cheap fix.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2018 08:32 AM (1WT1m)


Almost has to be the switch. And of course they will have to order it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:45 AM (mpXpK)

190 not just a generic one. Is there any way I can make this work?
Posted by: Joe

Just being a smart ass...Gorilla Tape.

Hopefully someone comes up with a better idea

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:45 AM (8ikIW)

191 And how much would it cost me to drive all over God's Creation to find clothesline and clothespins? Or get on the telephone and call every store in the 'phone book? "Excuse me, but do you have clothesline and clothespins in stock and how much are they?"
_______________________

Clothesline is pretty easy to find locally (hardware stores), but I had a hard time finding clothespins. Looked locally in Walmart, hardware stores, dollar stores, but nobody had them.

I ended up ordering a big pack of them from Amazon.

BTW, one of the fun things about living in AZ is that when you hang wet clothes outside in the summer, it only takes about a minute and a half for them to be completely dry.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2018 08:45 AM (fqUgw)

192 But According to him, you can only buy Legion attachments if you own the Sig Legion gun.

If I got him the flashlight attachment, I want to get him the one that goes with his gun, not just a generic one. Is there any way I can make this work?
Posted by: Joe


Call the company selling the stuff. Ask them. Explain it's a gift.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:45 AM (pGS57)

193 If I got him the flashlight attachment, I want to get him the one that goes with his gun, not just a generic one. Is there any way I can make this work?"

You need to Go Big. Go for the Chainsaw Attachment.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:45 AM (V2Yro)

194 Unless I am not clear about the whole taxation of internet sales situation, that is the states that levy sales tax will be able to collect it now and vice versa, the whole Conservative Reveiw does not make any sense ? If the state like NH does not collect sales tax no internet purchase will be taxed. The whole taxation without representation is not an argument here ?

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (bUjCl)

195 Twenty days, Vic? Gosh that seems like a long time.

Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (sMMcg)

196 "So Eddie Munster will end his submediocre career unable to deliver on Amigo Grande for his patrons, Tom Donohue and Miguel Fernandez."

In the future can we try not panicking on the word of a rumor of something that probably won't pass? Because the whole spectacle is embarrassingly idiotic to watch.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (hLRSq)

197
You need to Go Big. Go for the Chainsaw Attachment.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:45 AM (V2Yro)

Shurikens and lightning.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (mk7Bj)

198 *Conservative Review article..*

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (bUjCl)

199 >>One of life's ironies - the people that think mother earth's climate teeters on the edge of a knife think that the US economy and culture is so resilient that it could survive a complete replacement of the humans currently residing therein.


Exactly.
Same goes for Europe, too, they're just dealing with mass "refugee" invasion from different countries, but the game is essentially the same: EU, Soros-funded NGOs want to replace their native population with 3rd world hordes.

Importing a revolution is my guess.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/
2014/07/importing_revolution.html

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (W+vEI)

200 Does anybody know how this internet tax is proposed to work? Is the taxing authority the point of sale, or point of delivery. I'm guessing IL, NY and CA would say "BOTH!!"

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (ty7RM)

201 S
Had you written this as a Nigerian 401 scammer, you'd've had the check via Western Union to cover all modalities.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (VM6ev)

And to remain blessed

Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2018 08:47 AM (brIR5)

202 >>one of the fun things about living in AZ is that
when you hang wet clothes outside in the summer, it only takes about a
minute and a half for them to be completely dry. Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2018 08:45 AM (fqUgw)

One of the fun things about living in the humid, miasmal DC area is that when you put dry clothes on in the summer, it only takes about a minute and a half for them to be completely sweat-soaked.

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 08:47 AM (Bdeb0)

203 Susan Rice ordered cyber security to standdown and cease fighting against the Russian cyber attacks of US computers. No known reason given for this stupid order.

Yet Mueller hasn't interviewed a single member of the Cock Curious Cabal. Very strange way to collect data on Russian interference.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 22, 2018 08:47 AM (y7DUB)

204 Public service announcement.

To all Morons past and present

I have a defunct, non operation electric clothes dryer to give away to anyone who will come get it and haul it away. Probably repairable if you like to do that kind of thing.

Also a propane fired backyard grill on wheels. Seldom used, yours to take if you will haul it away.

Oh, and two old analog TVs that still work. One a RCA 27 inch diagonal. Also an Onkyo 5 channel surround sound system that may, or may not, work with your digital DVD player.

For free to haul away. Seriously.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:48 AM (roQNm)

205 I purchase different items from Home Depot. When I check the website they show all what they have and whether it's available in my store. If you buy it online, they will even have it at the customer service desk, so no wandering the aisles, if you don't have the time.
They'll also ship it to the store for pickup, or, with free shipping, have it sent to the house.

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:48 AM (8ikIW)

206 It just means that you will be paying the same amount now as you would pay if you COULD find it in a local "brick and mortar". Amazon doesn't get to undersell Best Buy just because they don't have any local employees.

"I'm still wondering how this will affect international sellers who ship to the US. I suspect they'll stop doing business with American customers if they are forced to deal with this tax crap as well."

They can raise their prices to compensate for any loss in revenue. Or, if they decide not to do business here, then I'm sure some enterprising American entrepeneurs will rise up and fill the gap. They may even provide jobs for actual Americans.
Posted by: Tom Servo


It fucks an online/multi state seller. Now they will have to collect and remit taxes for every location they sell/ship to. No biggie for large companies.

Kills a mom & pop shop.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:48 AM (pGS57)

207 >>201
S
Had you written this as a Nigerian 401 scammer, you'd've had the check via Western Union to cover all modalities.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (VM6ev)

If you've never read the 401 scambaiter webpage, you've got a treat in store. "Shiver Metimbers" is an absolute scambaiter artiste...

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 08:48 AM (Bdeb0)

208 One of the fun things about living in the humid, miasmal DC area is that when you put dry clothes on in the summer, it only takes about a minute and a half for them to be completely sweat-soaked.
____________________

I know. I grew up there. It's why I live in AZ now.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2018 08:49 AM (fqUgw)

209 I'm not "Going Lakota", like the Federalist piece suggests. Those fuckers lost.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 08:42 AM"

Agree with your conclusions and your reasoning. The guy who wrote that is angry, sure, but he hasn't really thought through any of the stuff he's saying. For one thing, the country would fracture into a dozen pieces before it ever got to the state he thinks it will. And that's a whole new set of issues.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:49 AM (V2Yro)

210 One of life's ironies - the people that think mother earth's climate teeters on the edge of a knife think that the US economy and culture is so resilient that it could survive a complete replacement of the humans currently residing therein.


--

Economy yes, culture no. But they also believe in cultural relativism, so they don't care if they destroy our culture because whatever replaces it will be definition, be just as good.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2018 08:49 AM (mk7Bj)

211 walmart dot com is almost as good as Amazon, Skandia Recluse.

Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 08:49 AM (sMMcg)

212 The militsia, along with the KGB and Red Army, went unpaid for months - years, in some cases - and still followed orders, even with no hope of reward or fear of punishment. Normalcy Bias, it's called.

==

unpaid huh ? have you seen the bribe inflation??

Posted by: Soviet Citizens at June 22, 2018 08:49 AM (bUjCl)

213 "And how much would it cost me to drive all over God's Creation to find clothesline and clothespins? Or get on the telephone and call every store in the 'phone book? "Excuse me, but do you have clothesline and clothespins in stock and how much are they?""


Who the Hell is seriously worried about finding clothesline and clothespins and how much those cost? Try "hardware store" and "dirt cheap" for your answers.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 08:50 AM (hLRSq)

214 Cops will do what they are told. They will follow orders.
Figure out the rest.



Guns in private ownership = 400 million
Guns in law enforcement = 1 million

those are some big odds...

Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 08:50 AM (lWCRE)

215 Good morning. Thanks for the report JJ. BBL. HAGD. MAGA.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 22, 2018 08:51 AM (yNyJy)

216 166 He used to seem like a good guy, showing up on
Levin's show and talking a good game. Then he made it abundantly clear
that while sitting on Barney's Frank learning the ins and outs of
budgeting all he was learning was how to feed the federal beast.
Pretending to get smoked by rocket surgeon Patty Murray must've been
pretty embarrassing for someone with a really smart reputation but you
suck it up to do your master's bidding. Good fucking riddance.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (y7DUB)


RINO Ryan has always been an open borders liberal.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 08:51 AM (mpXpK)

217 186 They can raise their prices to compensate for any loss in revenue. Or, if they decide not to do business here, then I'm sure some enterprising American entrepeneurs will rise up and fill the gap. They may even provide jobs for actual Americans.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:44 AM (V2Yro)

Not to go into specific detail, but in my case, it's more there are things I was going to order later this year from two distinct unique one-man operations (one in Canada, one in the UK), nobody in the US are making or selling those.

So yeah, it would suck if they decide "f*** the US" over this. And yes, I'm aware I'm being a self-centered git over this.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 08:51 AM (WDCYi)

218 Does anybody know how this internet tax is proposed to work? Is the taxing authority the point of sale, or point of delivery. I'm guessing IL, NY and CA would say "BOTH!!"
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


Where it ends up. The buyer won't see anything any different than going to their local Wal Mart.

The onus is on the seller to collect & remit the proper tax money to the proper taxing authority.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:51 AM (pGS57)

219 RINO Ryan has always been an open borders liberal.

=

Koch payroll

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 08:51 AM (bUjCl)

220 Finally...a scientific study that I can believe in.


https://babylonbee.com/?p=21179

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 08:53 AM (EyPfd)

221 I'm not "Going Lakota", like the Federalist piece suggests. Those fuckers lost.
Posted by: Huck Follywood


I'm going Choctaw. Those fuckers opened a casino and are printing money.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:53 AM (pGS57)

222 Does anybody know how this internet tax is proposed to work? Is the taxing authority the point of sale, or point of delivery. I'm guessing IL, NY and CA would say "BOTH!!"
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


Where it ends up. The buyer won't see anything any different than going to their local Wal Mart.

The onus is on the seller to collect & remit the proper tax money to the proper taxing authority.

==

point of delivery, that is the state sales tax

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 08:53 AM (bUjCl)

223 162 The thing that bothers me with the "doing jobs that Americans won't do" BS is, through HS and college, I used to do a lot of those jobs.

Maybe I'm not American
Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM (8ikIW)

THIS. I've been saying this for years: remember back when we were in high school and college ( and lots of current 29 year olds started working even before high school) most of those minimum wage jobs were taken by kids. Boys used to snag great landscaping jobs in the summers and girls couldn't wait to be a cashier someplace. I've often asked, "What has happened to our economy when adults vie to fill jobs that were once the entry point for young people?"

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at June 22, 2018 08:54 AM (SGpFT)

224 It fucks an online/multi state seller. Now they will have to collect and remit taxes for every location they sell/ship to. No biggie for large companies.


==

I think 3rd parties will come up with an app to figure it out.
Probably Square or whatever that little dongle thingy maker us called already has one ready (just a guess)

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 22, 2018 08:54 AM (hMwEB)

225 221. Say hi to cousin Slayton when ya see him.

* hums 'Choctaw Bingo' *

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 22, 2018 08:55 AM (fA1SL)

226 The onus is on the seller to collect & remit the proper tax money to the proper taxing authority.
============================
And, with all the ticky-tacky local 1/10 sales taxes, they're going to need (constantly updated) thousands of tax charts for the US.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 08:55 AM (ty7RM)

227 In the future can we try not panicking on the word of a rumor of something that probably won't pass? Because the whole spectacle is embarrassingly idiotic to watch.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 08:46 AM (hLRSq)


Why are you pissing all over people who have a natural reaction to a sellout party who continually lies to its base to get in office and then surreptitiously works to pass things opposite to what they campaigned on. The GOP dogshit leadership has made it one of their highest priorities to pass more immigration giveaways instead of securing the borders, despite getting clear directions, such as Eric Cantor getting smoked, that this is hugely unpopular. I'm not shutting up about this until they give up this fantasy, which probably means never.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 22, 2018 08:55 AM (y7DUB)

228 You can get clothespins from Walmart. Here's a bag of 100 for $3.29

https://tinyurl.com/yb647w4j

They didn't have these at my local store, but you can order them online.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2018 08:56 AM (fqUgw)

229 Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:51 AM (pGS57)


You are not supposed to talk sense to the Horde! Panic, agitation, anxiety, and fear are what the Horde is best known for.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 08:56 AM (hLRSq)

230 They can raise their prices to compensate for any loss in revenue.
That's what we call a "negative feedback loop". Volume drops, so you raise prices, and volume drops more. So businesses try other ways to compensate for higher taxes.

When a cost increase causes higher prices, volume drops, and companies react by trying to lower other costs first and foremost. The lesson of McDonalds in Seattle comes to mind: the city required $15/hour for starting jobs, so McDonalds replaced those workers with kiosks.

Higher taxes means fewer jobs, pure and simple.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 08:56 AM (ULoJS)

231 Does anybody know how this internet tax is proposed to work? Is the taxing authority the point of sale, or point of delivery. I'm guessing IL, NY and CA would say "BOTH!!"

--

And in my case, I'm a reseller. I buy from a manufacturer, but have the product shipped to my customer. I never see, touch or otherwise handle the product. Will the sales tax apply to my state, since I technically buy it or will sales tax apply to the customer's state since they buy it from me? Will state govts tax the product twice (once for my state, once for my customer's state)? What a big, fat mess. I'm also wondering how individual state govts will be able to even know where my sales are going.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun & Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:56 AM (mQ0Mc)

232 71 Mornin' Horde. I understand the sales tax thing is a big deal, but I remain baffled as to why Lucia[\i] continues to fly so completely under the radar. Ah well, perhaps I read too much into it...

-------------------------------------------------

I admit, I didn't read ALL the linked items and I haven't followed everything that's going on in the world. What's Lucia?

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 08:57 AM (Vzqe+)

233 Maybe our wise Congress can pass a law that would relieve this taxation situation....bwahahahahah !!

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 08:57 AM (bUjCl)

234 All I can say about the internet tax issue is that all the good things in life (used books, gun stuff) come from small businesses online. Anything that raises the cost on that just makes my already fairly dreary life worse.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 22, 2018 08:57 AM (bZ7mE)

235 "Who the Hell is seriously worried about finding clothesline and clothespins "

It is fifty miles round trip from my hovel to the nearest commerce/retail economic zone; two days by mule when it takes me half the day to catch and harness the damn mule.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:57 AM (roQNm)

236 231. You've got a tax permit for your home base, no? Your purchase should still be exempt under that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 22, 2018 08:57 AM (fA1SL)

237 the Wh was for the taxation decision. Why, Donald, WHY ?

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM


A former real estate developer would certainly like there to be a 'brick and mortar' economy in every state.

The Donald, in my opinion, likes the people who built the buildings that made him a millionaire.

The Washington Post and Jeff Bezos, he likes not so much.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 08:58 AM (LOgQ4)

238 Rotten decision on taxes by SCOTUS.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 08:58 AM (oVJmc)

239 I'm in Oklahoma, surrounded by indians. Somehoe I find that comforting.

Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 08:58 AM (sMMcg)

240 The whole taxation without representation is not an argument here ?"

The conservative review article is packed with a whole load of emotive non sequiturs.

Best analysis I've seen maintained that the SCOTUS screwed up years ago in Quill, which allowed this situation to develop, and that now they're trying to fix an old legal mistake. But now this "fix" is going to create even more disruption than the original fix did, and we would have all been better off if the SCOTUS had never gotten involved in this area at all back in 1991.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 08:58 AM (V2Yro)

241 231 my guess, manufacturer will increase price to pay for your state sales tax, then you have to charge buyer for their sales tax

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 22, 2018 08:59 AM (hMwEB)

242 The onus is on the seller to collect & remit the proper tax money to the proper taxing authority.
============================
And, with all the ticky-tacky local 1/10 sales taxes, they're going to need (constantly updated) thousands of tax charts for the US.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


Yep. My company has 6 full time people and that is all they do. Since we are a manufacturer and our customers buy for resale, part of my job is electronic storage of their sales exemption certificates for the states they do business in. Some companies have as many as 51 certificates.
(All 50 states & DC)

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 08:59 AM (pGS57)

243 >>Higher taxes means fewer jobs, pure and simple.

Which is pretty much the exact message that brick and mortar stores have been making against online retailers for years now.

I don't like paying sales taxes anymore than anyone else but I'm having a hard time understanding why online retailers should be exempt from collecting sales taxes while brick and mortar stores are forced to do it.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 22, 2018 08:59 AM (/tuJf)

244 "Why are you pissing all over people who have a natural reaction to a sellout party who continually lies to its base to get in office and then surreptitiously works to pass things opposite to what they campaigned on."


Because you end up looking ridiculous when the Great Panic does not come about and you start rolling the good old "boy who cried wolf" effect so that real things of concern are not treated seriously.

Unless you like seeming to be an hysterical old woman at the drop of every news item; if so go ahead and get your knickers all knotted.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:00 AM (hLRSq)

245 They didn't have these at my local store, but you can order them online.

--
for pickup in the local store -
'Tis True. I am investigating this very concept even now.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 09:00 AM (roQNm)

246 Morning, y'all.

Ah, the vapors over "tarrrrriffs are baaaaad" bring much laughter.

Said vapors would be somewhat worthy if articles such as "CJ's" were even true. But hey, what's a little research among friends, when there's a President to attack.

Oh, and more coffeve on this fine AM.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 22, 2018 09:00 AM (7LY+6)

247 And in my case, I'm a reseller. I buy from a manufacturer, but have the product shipped to my customer. I never see, touch or otherwise handle the product. Will the sales tax apply to my state, since I technically buy it or will sales tax apply to the customer's state since they buy it from me?


Where the product ends up.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:01 AM (pGS57)

248 238
Rotten decision on taxes by SCOTUS.


Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 08:58 AM (oVJmc)

The compliance costs are going to really heard the small business who ship outside of their home state. Sure there are some decent online services that will calculate the sales taxes and even do filings for you, but none of that is free. Then there are the audits......
If a state is going to require a retailer at the other side of the country to collect sales taxes for it, then I would wholeheartedly embrace the idea that the state pay the compliance costs for the tax collections.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 22, 2018 09:01 AM (jxbfJ)

249 The Washington Post and Jeff Bezos, he likes not so much.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 08:58 AM (LOgQ4)

No exactly - amazon was for it. what it does, it puts pressure on Amazon's competitors :

"Since Amazon already collects sales tax in every state on the products it sells directly, which account for roughly half of all units sold on its site, the court ruling should have less impact on how much it charges for its products.

The other half of products on Amazon are sold by third-party merchants on Amazon's marketplace. They potentially face the added burden of collecting sales tax in states that begin taxing online sales."

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:01 AM (bUjCl)

250 Ooh, off sellout SCOTUS sock

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 22, 2018 09:02 AM (hMwEB)

251 97 Mornin' all...

@realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago

Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November. Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!
Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2018 08:18 AM (Enq6K)

And the Donald brings it again.

Either I misunderstood its implications or people are not excited enough about the SCOTUS finding on administrative law judges. Somebody legalish needs to break that one down in case people are reading too much into it.

Immigration: The Scalp Weasel of Destiny is right, mucking around with immigration now is pointless. The left and the CoC are simply trying to buffalo everybody into doing something stupid before the election. It's time to table the issue and wait to see what we get.

Sales taxes: Small online business owners should hold on as long as they can. I've got a feeling something is going to spring up to fill the tax collection niche in the small business ecosystem. Yes, it will be another expense, and yes, it will pick off those on the margin, but others could still survive.

And good morning to the Horde. Long, stressful week here in joncelliLand. Looking forward to some R&R. Everybody coast into the weekend and enjoy.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 22, 2018 09:02 AM (RD7QR)

252 The "Internet Sales Tax" promises to be the Range War to End All Range Wars. More than full employment for lawyers. We'll have to import lawyers from France and China.

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 22, 2018 09:02 AM (RuIsu)

253 My business sells in about thirty states at last count. The states can't collect their own taxes, because no one pays them, so the states require us to do it for them. I employ someone whose whole job is to keep up with individual state tax rules, and they are very different, and invoice customers for sales tax. My customers employ people whose entire job is to avoid sales tax, so the two of them (my sales tax lady and theirs) get on the phone and pick each other apart.
It's slavery. I'm forced to do this work for state governments. And they have the gall to send in bounty hunters to audit our forced performance. If we do something "wrong", and there is usually no clearly stated right way-wrong way about lots of this shit, they hit us with a penalty!

I hate sales tax. And I hate being forced to do the state's work in collecting it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 09:02 AM (ULoJS)

254 Maybe instead of using clothepins and line as an example, we could try a piece of 4140 1" x1" bar? I need a piece of that, and the only way to buy it is order it online, it appears. Kind of a dearth of Mom and Pop stores that sell raw materials.

It is already prohibitively expensive to ship a single piece of steel. If I've got to pay sales tax on it too....

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 22, 2018 09:02 AM (bZ7mE)

255 I think we are taxed enough already. Local governments like to blow money on useless shit just as much as the feds. Start making some serious cuts and if there still is not enough money then we can talk about more taxes

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 09:02 AM (UdKB7)

256 If that's true, dreams of a blue TX are just around the corner.

They're likely to remain dreams for a while. Texas has had a large hispanic population since it became a republic carved out of Mexico. A significant portion of the hispanics who don't live along the Rio Grande, or in the effing cities, vote red. The dems are always forgetting that.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 09:03 AM (Vzqe+)

257 I don't like paying sales taxes anymore than anyone else but I'm having a hard time understanding why online retailers should be exempt from collecting sales taxes while brick and mortar stores are forced to do it."

Everything on the intertubez is supposed to be free.

Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 22, 2018 09:03 AM (7LY+6)

258 It is fifty miles round trip from my hovel to the nearest commerce/retail economic zone; two days by mule when it takes me half the day to catch and harness the damn mule.



Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 22, 2018 08:57 AM (roQNm)



Your mule is a wimp; I can't even find my mule, let alone catch him!

BTW - I purchased clothespins 25 years ago and have not had a need for clothespins since. So there!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:03 AM (hLRSq)

259 aaand , part II : (that's from cnbc, btw, sorry)

"Most of Amazon's competitors, like Wayfair or Overstock, are in a more difficult position because they haven't been as rigorous or complete about collecting sales tax in states they don't have a physical presence. Now that they could have to collect tax throughout much of the U.S., beating Amazon on price will become even harder."

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:04 AM (bUjCl)

260 Higher taxes means fewer jobs, pure and simple.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 08:56 AM (ULoJS)


It was a decision that was a real head scratcher in many regards. I'm sure Thomas based his on something smart but I can't help but think that this puts the ubiquitous "Mom and Pop stores" (which really strikes me as a dismissive phrase made up by those NPR knobs) into the protected buggy whip manufacturers category. I think Queen Roberts got it right when he said they shouldn't be fucking around with tax policy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 22, 2018 09:04 AM (y7DUB)

261 sot the ruling was a bit of a win for Amazon, not so much for competing sites.

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:05 AM (bUjCl)

262 I think we are taxed enough already."

Badthink, tvarish!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 22, 2018 09:05 AM (7LY+6)

263 I can remember, going back to the dawn of time, not having to pay sales tax on out-of-state orders, and that's in the pre-internet catalog-and-snail-mail era.

Perhaps that was just the condition in my relatively laissez-faire state, but I'm sure that it was around way-back-when.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:05 AM (oVJmc)

264 We, as a country, should pick - either we have sales tax or income tax.
Not both.
In fact pass a law like that.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 22, 2018 09:05 AM (hMwEB)

265 Doom!
Despair!
Gloom!
There is no hope!


It would be best if you died now; better that you were never born.

Woe.
Misery.
Anguish.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 08:43 AM (hLRSq)


Some of us do find it hard to see the silver lining. It doesn't mean we want bad things to happen.

Today is the birthday of silent actress Marguerite De La Motte (and yes, that was her real name):

https://tinyurl.com/y97soe3a

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM (kqsXK)

266
I don't know why anyone would be upset. I'm sure we're all law-abiding citizens who file a return with the state and report and pay the amount of sales tax that Amazon does not collect.

/s

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM (LOgQ4)

267 I admit, I didn't read ALL the linked items and I haven't followed everything that's going on in the world. What's Lucia?"

Lucia was the ruling yesterday that held that Adminstrative Law Judges (ALJ's) are subject to the Appointments clause of the constitution, and thus they can hold no judicial power unless they are appointed by the President, and approved by the Senate.

What few realize is that the various federal bureaucracies have been adding a huge number of ALJ's in recent years, and they have passed regulations holding that when you have a legal dispute with that agency, you MUST take it to an ALJ, not to the regular court system. People who don't deal with the Federal Govm't, don't know much about this, but for those who do this is day to day reality.

The problem with ALJ's as they currently operate - they owe their loyalty ONLY to the Agency that appoints them - they are never elected, they face no voters, they are not appointed by the President, they are not confirmed by the Senate - they are "Stealth Judges" who control a huge number of the decisions that take place on day to day basis in this country. And they are a method that the Bureaucracy has been using to vastly increase it's own power and authority.

So, the Lucia decisions yesterday says - No More of That. If they make legally binding decisions on Federal Law, the President gets to appoint them, and the Senate has to confirm. It's a big boost of power for the Presidency, and a big cut in power to the Bureaucracy, and if you want to call them the "Deep State", you wouldn't be wrong.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM (V2Yro)

268 >>BTW - I purchased clothespins 25 years ago and have not had a need for clothespins since. So there! Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General
and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:03 AM (hLRSq)

Clotheslines and clothespins are for chumps. Zod has his Aztecs hold the shirts and breeches in the sun until they're dry.

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM (Bdeb0)

269 Local governments like to blow money on useless shit just as much as the feds.

--

That's just blasphemy!

Posted by: United Shrimp on Treadmills Association at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM (mQ0Mc)

270 We, as a country, should pick - either we have sales tax or income tax.

==

APOSTATE!!...BURN HER !!!

Posted by: Congress and every taxing body from here to enternity at June 22, 2018 09:07 AM (bUjCl)

271 I also don't like the SCOTUS decision because it's a lifeline to the high-tax shitholes like California.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:07 AM (oVJmc)

272 re: We, as a country, should pick - either we have sales tax or income tax.
Not both.

Problem is, we're not a country so much as a republic of individual sovereign States. At least that is what we're supposed to be.

Posted by: squeakywheel at June 22, 2018 09:07 AM (vB7kY)

273 Woe.
Misery.
Anguish. "

Gloom, despair, and agony on me...

Deep dark depression, excessive misery.

If it weren't for bad luck...

/

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 22, 2018 09:08 AM (7LY+6)

274 >>The thing that bothers me with the "doing jobs that Americans won't do" BS is, through HS and college, I used to do a lot of those jobs.
Maybe I'm not American



The same people who say "jobs Americans won't do" are the ones demanding "everyone goes to college." They are convincing kids that they deserve some white collar job upon getting a useless degree (in "--- Studies") instead of supporting other career paths, such as vocational tech schools. They tell kids they are above 'dirty jobs' and then say, "See, we need immigrants to do 'dirty jobs' because Americans won't!"
Such a scam.



Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 09:08 AM (W+vEI)

275 I posted five comments to the ONT early this morning, not realizing wifi was turned on and Pixy had eaten them all. If that's the way it's going to go, I'd better get started on the packing. The road beckons.

f'd, I'll be thinking of you and the pup all day. Here are (((hugs))) for both of you. Take good care of them, Horde.

creep out

Posted by: creeper at June 22, 2018 09:09 AM (sMMcg)

276 Rotten decision on taxes by SCOTUS.
============================
I'm standing in 2 canoes on this. I worked retail for a long time in my teens and 20's. The internet was just getting going as I moved up in the world. I don't understand why brick/mortar stores are subject to sales tax, but internet sales are exempt. My wife and I like to go shopping; it's fun to look around, try stuff on, find deals. I know a lot of people shop stores, then purchase online to avoid sales tax. I hate the word "fair," but it seems like it should be both or neither.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 09:09 AM (ty7RM)

277
I remember having to charge and collect income tax for employees who lived in about ten different localities, all with different tax rates, and their own unique return to file every three months.

One of the many, many reasons I hung the hat up years ago.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 09:09 AM (LOgQ4)

278 260 Higher taxes means fewer jobs, pure and simple.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 08:56 AM"

So do Tarrifs, theoretically, but its the same kind of problem. What if this ends up creating fewer jobs at Chinese Factories and the Amazon warehouse in Seattle, but more jobs in my hometown? Is that really a bad deal for me?

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:10 AM (V2Yro)

279 Speaking of taxes our county built a 6 million dollar rec complex but neglected to set aside any more to hire personnel to run it. The place sat vacant for months with all the lights on, new exercise equipment, sparkling swimming pool, landscaping maintained, etc while no one could use it. They just recently found some funds to hire people.

This is the same county that wants to raise our property taxes again after doing it last year. They can find plenty of ways to waste our money, there is never enough.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 09:10 AM (UdKB7)

280 I think a more interesting question is, why can states require
businesses to collect taxes - whether those businesses are in-state or
not?


Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 08:02 AM (Vzqe+)


This.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Coffee drinker at June 22, 2018 09:10 AM (ULoJS)

281 I have a feeling that the ALJ ruling is gonna have a much further reaching impact than what is initially thought.

For example...

Is every past ruling by one now legally void due to the Supreme Court decision?

Every....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:10 AM (EyPfd)

282 Morning.

Headed to Walmart in a few.

What else am I picking up for y'all besides clotheslines and pins??

No one ever puts things on the list ahead of time...tsk tsk...

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 22, 2018 09:10 AM (mtfdF)

283 The thing that bothers me with the "doing jobs that Americans won't do" BS is, through HS and college, I used to do a lot of those jobs.
Maybe I'm not American



The same people who say "jobs Americans won't do" are the ones demanding "everyone goes to college." They are convincing kids that they deserve some white collar job upon getting a useless degree (in "--- Studies") instead of supporting other career paths, such as vocational tech schools. They tell kids they are above 'dirty jobs' and then say, "See, we need immigrants to do 'dirty jobs' because Americans won't!"
Such a scam.


We won't do them for the wages they want to pay, maybe.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 22, 2018 09:11 AM (bZ7mE)

284 Speaking of... I heard a stat on the news yesterday
that said Texas would be majority Hispanic by 2025 (overall white
population will become minority in the country in the 2040s...much
faster than they had predicted earlier). If that's true, dreams of a
blue TX are just around the corner.


Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM

---

I seriously doubt that is going to happen considering that Texas is 70% white according to the last census data.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2018 09:11 AM (+Dllb)

285 239 I'm in Oklahoma, surrounded by indians. Somehoe I find that comforting.
Posted by: creeper

I didn't have the same feeling

Posted by: Zombie George Custer at June 22, 2018 09:11 AM (FZYNt)

286 "Some of us do find it hard to see the silver lining. It doesn't mean we want bad things to happen."


I think the bulk of the Horde are clinically depressed. It doesn't matter what is said "Oh look, a bright sunny day!" "Great, I'll get skin cancer."

Perhaps some people could try being a little more positive once in a while? And no, making people positively miserable like yourselves is not what I mean.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM (hLRSq)

287 272 re: We, as a country, should pick - either we have sales tax or income tax.
Not both.

Problem is, we're not a country so much as a republic of individual sovereign States. At least that is what we're supposed to be."

Here in Texas, we picked. No income tax, at least at the state level. And allowing the state to collect a little more sales tax takes away the pressure from some to give us an income tax.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM (V2Yro)

288 majority Hispanic"

Que? What "race" is that?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM (7LY+6)

289 Wish I'd never read how dew point numbers work...

"greater than or equal to 65: lots of moisture in the air, becoming oppressive"

Lowest dew point of today will be 71.8.

Do they sell oxygen tanks at Walmart?? Or gill conversion kits?

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM (mtfdF)

290 I don't know why anyone would be upset. I'm sure we're all law-abiding citizens who file a return with the state and report and pay the amount of sales tax that Amazon does not collect.

/s
Posted by: Forgot My Nic

I know the /s, but, if you want me to pay tax in Arizona even though I live in Texas, I should get a vote in Arizona on how that now public money is used.

We fought a war over the whole taxation without representation thingy.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM (pGS57)

291 So do Tarrifs, theoretically, but its the same kind of problem. What if this ends up creating fewer jobs at Chinese Factories and the Amazon warehouse in Seattle, but more jobs in my hometown? Is that really a bad deal for me?

If.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 22, 2018 09:13 AM (bZ7mE)

292 Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM (Bdeb0)


Aztecs?

You should use Algonquins, they're taller.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:13 AM (hLRSq)

293 286 I think the bulk of the Horde are clinically depressed. It doesn't matter what is said "Oh look, a bright sunny day!" "Great, I'll get skin cancer."

Perhaps some people could try being a little more positive once in a while? And no, making people positively miserable like yourselves is not what I mean.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM (hLRSq)

I think it's more wanting to tell somebody that they're wrong and aggressively rub it in their face.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 09:14 AM (WDCYi)

294 I think the bulk of the Horde are clinically depressed. It doesn't matter what is said "Oh look, a bright sunny day!" "Great, I'll get skin cancer."

Perhaps some people could try being a little more positive once in a while? And no, making people positively miserable like yourselves is not what I mean.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM (hLRSq)


I think I'll bow out of this thread.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2018 09:14 AM (kqsXK)

295 The first time I saw Obama was when he made that speech at the Democratic convention in 2004. My reaction was: "That guy is really dangerous".

Posted by: An Observation at June 22, 2018 09:15 AM (4lSQQ)

296 The problem with ALJ's as they currently operate -
they owe their loyalty ONLY to the Agency that appoints them - they are
never elected, they face no voters, they are not appointed by the
President, they are not confirmed by the Senate - they are "Stealth
Judges" who control a huge number of the decisions that take place on
day to day basis in this country. And they are a method that the
Bureaucracy has been using to vastly increase it's own power and
authority.



So, the Lucia decisions yesterday says - No More of That. If they
make legally binding decisions on Federal Law, the President gets to
appoint them, and the Senate has to confirm. It's a big boost of power
for the Presidency, and a big cut in power to the Bureaucracy, and if
you want to call them the "Deep State", you wouldn't be wrong.


Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM

---

Yep. I have a buddy back in Kentucky who is An Administrative Judge. He adjudicates questionable food stamp cases and can refer suspected fraud cases to a Federal prosecutor. The vast majority of cases he deals with the person never even shows up in court.


He wasn't elected he was hired after he applied and had an interview. 1 year probation and he has a secure job for life as a Judge.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2018 09:15 AM (+Dllb)

297 >>Speaking of... I heard a stat on the news yesterday
that said Texas would be majority Hispanic by 2025




Think I saw one of the Castro brothers (La Raza co-founder is his mommy) gloating about that.


Did he account for all the non-immigrant Californians who are fleeing to Texas?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 09:15 AM (W+vEI)

298 I have a feeling that the ALJ ruling is gonna have a much further reaching impact than what is initially thought.



For example...



Is every past ruling by one now legally void due to the Supreme Court decision?



Every....



Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:10 AM

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That would be ex post facto stuff and I seriously doubt any past cases will be redone because of the ruling.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2018 09:16 AM (+Dllb)

299 I think it's more wanting to tell somebody that they're wrong and aggressively rub it in their face.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 09:14 AM (WDCYi)


I'll pass; that sounds like work.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:16 AM (hLRSq)

300 Sunday marks the anniversary of Napoleon's disaster of an invasion of Russia. Some people never learn.

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2018 09:17 AM (7HtZB)

301 What else am I picking up for y'all besides clotheslines and pins??

No one ever puts things on the list ahead of time...tsk tsk...
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 22, 2018 09:10 AM (mtfdF)

Thanks !...One Open air cinema 20ft CineBox Theater System, d'you mind ?

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:17 AM (bUjCl)

302 All the while skimming a "quite modest" management fee off the top!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 22, 2018 08:14 AM (n9EOP)

Hence the negative sum game. Shit, bookies only add ten per vigorish.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 09:17 AM (JFO2v)

303 On internet sales tax, it won't be long before businesses pop up to do nothing but billing services for online vendors. For a fee they'll make sure taxes are properly applied.

Posted by: Guzalot at June 22, 2018 09:18 AM (prSvo)

304 'it won't be long before businesses pop up to do nothing but billing services for online vendors.'

Probably. And prices will be raised to cover that expense so once again it's the consumers who get screwed.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 09:19 AM (UdKB7)

305 Wasn't it Obama's DHS that was caught attempting to breach state voting systems in GA and maybe a few other states?

More like domestic terrorism/seep state shenanigans collusion.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 08:41 AM (W+vEI)

Indiana and I da Ho

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2018 09:20 AM (JFO2v)

306 284 Speaking of... I heard a stat on the news yesterday
that said Texas would be majority Hispanic by 2025 (overall white
population will become minority in the country in the 2040s...much
faster than they had predicted earlier). If that's true, dreams of a
blue TX are just around the corner.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun Rolled Up Man Pants at June 22, 2018 08:39 AM
I seriously doubt that is going to happen considering that Texas is 70% white according to the last census data. "

Rudy Texeira and his cohorts have been pushing that line for 20 years now, and every election their predictions turn out to be bullshit. 2nd and 3rd generation mexicans (come on, do we have to say "hispanic"? not in Texas) are following the same racial identity trajectory as followed by the Irish, and the Italians, and the Poles, and the Germans, and the Scandis, and every other group that's ever come to this country. By the third generation they're mainstreamed and no longer distinguishable.

Not to mention that conservatives adapt, and this myth that Hispanics only vote Dem is only true in California, where the GOP is stupid and dead. Ted Cruz can debate in Spanish just as well as in English. Gov. Abbot has a hispanic heritage wife, who he campaigns with. Both of them are likely to get 50% of the Hispanic vote here in November. So this whole storyline is just democrat wet dreams.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:20 AM (V2Yro)

307 I'm in Oklahoma, surrounded by indians. Somehoe I find that comforting.

Posted by: creeper



I didn't have the same feeling

Posted by: Zombie George Custer at June 22, 2018 09:11 AM (FZYNt)

'Please Mr. Custer! I don't want to go.'

Posted by: Count de Monet, Team Normal at June 22, 2018 09:20 AM (QLvwG)

308 I know the /s, but, if you want me to pay tax in Arizona even though I live in Texas, I should get a vote in Arizona on how that now public money is used.

We fought a war over the whole taxation without representation thingy.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:12 AM


I just can't envision that scenario. I live in Pennsylvania. I order a 100 dollar item from Amazon, which is built in either Texas or Arizona (doesn't matter). Amazon collects the 6% Pennsylvania sales tax and remits it to Pennsylvania. Doesn't matter where the item is manufactured.

( I was a manufacturer for decades and did not have to collect sales tax. End seller had that load. )

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 09:21 AM (LOgQ4)

309 "That would be ex post facto stuff and I seriously doubt any past cases will be redone because of the ruling. "

I'm not a lawyer, so bear with me on this.

Are we talking "A new law can not make an old act illegal",

or are we talking unconstitutional actions being voided?

Maybe a better example:

A young man is convicted and jailed based on a law later determined to be unconstitutional.

Stay in jail?
File Appeal?

Have conviction overturned?

DC Sniper case might be an example.
Kid was sentenced to life under a law later determined to be unconstitutional.
That sentencing was just voided yesterday, I believe, and he will have to have another sentencing hearing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:21 AM (EyPfd)

310 Napoleon's disaster of an invasion of Russia.

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2018 09:17 AM (7HtZB)

There is an incredible graph that show Napoleon's progress into and out of Russia, with the dwindling number of men he had. It is a fantastic way of seeing exactly how awful that escapade was....

https://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/minard

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2018 09:22 AM (wYseH)

311 If that's true, dreams of a
blue TX are just around the corner.
==========================
Someone was mentioning here that the second/third gen. Mexican immigrants to Texas are not a lock "D" vote. A lot of them are small business owners/workers and are just as likely to vote red as blue. On the whole they are "a" political, and want to be left alone to pursue the American dream.
I have zero stats to back this up, just one moron's opinion.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 09:22 AM (ty7RM)

312 A destitute Honduran asylum seeker is suing Trump to get her child back.
1) I thought these people were really poor. How can she afford a lawyer?2) Is the suit actually brought directly against Trump.
This story reeks IMO.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7ypsf43

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 22, 2018 09:22 AM (aVYsC)

313 >>295
The first time I saw Obama was when he made that speech at the
Democratic convention in 2004. My reaction was: "That guy is really
dangerous". Posted by: An Observation at June 22, 2018 09:15 AM (4lSQQ)

Soot knew his medicine was strong; the People had his song poured into their ears, and they wept, and laughed, and felt made whole, and made him the Great Chief in the White Lodge. Yao, it was a strong medicine, but in time the wiser ones in the council knew that it was as smoke--here, then gone. This was in the time before Sun-In-His-Hair and the Great Anger...

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 09:22 AM (Bdeb0)

314 Inre the sales taxes.

What was it we were hitting on a few days ago? That if you want something stupid to change, enforce it to the max?

Right now there is an alternative to sales taxes, which is buying something online. I hope that with that alternative getting busted, perhaps consumers will see just how much the state is grabbing and start agitating to change it.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 22, 2018 09:22 AM (eytER)

315 310 Napoleon's disaster of an invasion of Russia.

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2018 09:17 AM (7HtZB)

There is an incredible graph that show Napoleon's progress into and out of Russia, with the dwindling number of men he had. It is a fantastic way of seeing exactly how awful that escapade was....

https://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/minard
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Russia ruins everything

except vodka

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! at June 22, 2018 09:23 AM (FZYNt)

316 Think I saw one of the Castro brothers (La Raza co-founder is his mommy) gloating about that."

I find it hilarious that the national media keeps digging up one of those two idiots (the castros) since either one of them would have a hard time getting elected dogcatcher in San Antonio these days.

And no one outside if S.A. even knows who they are in this state. They are total nobodies, and yet CNN and the rest of the MSM keeps propping them up and saying "Look at these guy! Everyone in Texas Loves them! " HA!!! What a lie.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:23 AM (V2Yro)

317 that fake Time photo was even worse than just "the kid and mom were never separated". The Dad had a good job and didn't want her to go, and there are two or three older kids at home.

So she abandoned the other kids and husband to come where "everything's free in Amereeca" and apparently used her two year old as a sympathy prop to get in the (non) pearly gates.

It is not the poorest (generally), it is those that can afford to pay the $6000+ to the coyotes and human traffickers ... that's a huge some in a poorer country. They are lured away with promises that America has gold for everyone, same story with much of Europe. And all those along the way collect their ransoms ... like for keeping borders open.

The countries they leave really need those middle class people ... so everybody loses except the mafias, cartels in Mexico right up to Hillary's mafia pushing globalism.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2018 09:23 AM (bT8Z4)

318 >>https://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/minard Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2018 09:22 AM (wYseH)

Yep, that's a great map. Would like to see it compared to a similar graph of the Wehrmacht ingress/egress...

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 09:24 AM (Bdeb0)

319 "Rudy Texeira and his cohorts have been pushing that line for 20 years now, and every election their predictions turn out to be bullshit."


But it sells well to the Democrats and the Republicans - "Look how the future will play out! Do what I say to escape or else doom, doom, DOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Inspector General and his Electric Accordion Band! at June 22, 2018 09:24 AM (hLRSq)

320 Napoleon's disaster of an invasion of Russia. "

Mueller's investigation of Trump. Hmmmm.....

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:24 AM (V2Yro)

321
If you ever wanted an example of a leftist shit, Jackie Speier fits the bill. She defends the increasingly violent protests against those she disagrees with, and she knows damned well that it's escalating because she's seen it before.


She herself has been a victim of political violence. Not coincidentally, also at the hands of leftists. She was with Leo Ryan when he was assassinated in '78 by Jim Jones' thugs in Guyana, just before the Jonestown Massacre. She was riddled with bullets and left for dead on the tarmac and wasn't found for nearly 24 hours.

She knows damned well what she's advocating.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 22, 2018 09:24 AM (eXA4G)

322 DC Sniper case might be an example.

Kid was sentenced to life under a law later determined to be unconstitutional.

That sentencing was just voided yesterday, I believe, and he will have to have another sentencing hearing.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:21 AM

---

You are mixing Civil cases with criminal law. I could be wrong, but as far as I know Administrative Judges do not preside over any actual criminal trials and can't sentence people to prison, they only deal with administrative issues.


My buddy who is an AJ can't sentence someone to prison the most he can do is refer them to the Federal Prosecutors if he suspects their was criminal activity.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2018 09:25 AM (+Dllb)

323 Oh, and another item - my understanding is that the sale will be considered to be in the state where the customer is. So I'm buying something in VA, I will be charged VA sales tax.

That had been the definition for awhile - if a business had nexus in the same state as the customer, it was required to collect sales tax.

It doesn't sound to me that the sale will be defined as the state in which the seller is located.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 22, 2018 09:25 AM (eytER)

324 Sales tax in Alameda County CA is now 9%. It was 5% when I lived there in the 70s. This is in addition to their high property taxes and State income tax.


Sales tax here when I first moved here was 3%. They passed the so-called local option sales tax claiming it would result in lowering the property tax. That never happened. sales tax inside the city limits is now 10.5%. Out in the county it is 5.5%. And my property taxes have done nothing but increase every year.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 09:25 AM (mpXpK)

325 >> They are lured away with promises that America has gold for everyone,

The movie _El Norte_ should be required viewing for...well, everyone.

There's a movie that could actually use a sequel.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 22, 2018 09:25 AM (mtfdF)

326 Dew point? I'm wearing it.
Mowing overly tall grass from a week's rain early in the June morning in SE Texas. Have to take frequent cooling breaks lest the ol' ticker overheats and seizes up.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Team Normal at June 22, 2018 09:25 AM (QLvwG)

327 I just can't envision that scenario. I live in Pennsylvania. I order a 100 dollar item from Amazon, which is built in either Texas or Arizona (doesn't matter). Amazon collects the 6% Pennsylvania sales tax and remits it to Pennsylvania. Doesn't matter where the item is manufactured.

( I was a manufacturer for decades and did not have to collect sales tax. End seller had that load. )
Posted by: Forgot My Nic


Exactly. It's not on the manufacturer or the buyer. It's on the seller.

But you are taxing the seller without them having representation if they sell across state lines.
A Pennsylvania seller has no representation in Ohio if they sell there. They pay taxes in Ohio and have no vote on how that tax money is used.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:26 AM (pGS57)

328 Shocker - CNN's Brooke Baldwin puts a D Senator on the spot about outrage (level 0) over Obama's detained immigrant treatment:

https://tinyurl.com/y77ezwdo

Sen Baldwin stutters uncomprehendingly, of course about nothing related to the question.

Broken clock syndrome, I suppose.

Posted by: theATL at June 22, 2018 09:26 AM (yFgwo)

329 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:20 AM (V2Yro)
===========================
^^^^^What he said^^^^ Sorry to ape your game.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 09:26 AM (ty7RM)

330 On the ALJ thing, I was mistaken in thinking it was a Supreme Court Ruling.

But...my question still remains.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:26 AM (EyPfd)

331 Huma knows where my Dew Point is

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! at June 22, 2018 09:26 AM (FZYNt)

332 "1) I thought these people were really poor. How can she afford a lawyer?"

I always wonder when people say that they pay coyotes 5 to 10 thousand dollars to get them across the border, where do they get that money? How did they save it? Did they earn it in their shithole countries? If it's so bad there how do they accumulate the money to illegally enter this country, sometimes multiple times?

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 09:27 AM (UdKB7)

333 Shouldn't localities be able to put their city/county tax on sales as well? Everybody should get their little slice. SUrely the state won't be the end of this process.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:27 AM (oVJmc)

334 314 Right now there is an alternative to sales taxes, which is buying something online. I hope that with that alternative getting busted, perhaps consumers will see just how much the state is grabbing and start agitating to change it.



Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 22, 2018 09:22 AM (eytER)


You would think so, but people don't vote based on these issues. They vote based on "BUT MUH 'BORTIONS!" every fucking election.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 09:28 AM (WDCYi)

335 >>So she abandoned the other kids and husband to come where "everything's free in Amereeca" and apparently used her two year old as a sympathy prop to get in the (non) pearly gates.




The cynic in me thinks dad was going to be just fine with the money she sent home while residing in America. That's the thing: they don't just get entitlements, they scam them and then send a lot of the food, money, etc. back home.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 09:28 AM (W+vEI)

336 Shouldn't localities be able to put their city/county tax on sales as well? Everybody should get their little slice. SUrely the state won't be the end of this process.
==


a f'king disaster

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:28 AM (bUjCl)

337 A lot of them are small business owners/workers and are just as likely to vote red as blue. On the whole they are "a" political, and want to be left alone to pursue the American dream.
I have zero stats to back this up, just one moron's opinion."

I don't have stats, but I do know quite a few, and that's how they live. One of the big complaints about hispanic voters by the Dems is that their turnout is always pretty low, lower than other dem groups. (25% at most, I think) Democrats say "we need more awareness!!!" but in truth, these guys just don't give as much of a shit about politics as the liberals think they should. As you say, they mostly just want to live their lives and be left alone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:29 AM (V2Yro)

338 JJ: did you forget about McStain being shown to be involved with the IRS going after conservative non profits?

Or did you cover that yesterday.

Either way it's a good subject to bring up.

I hope "The Hammer" sticks around for awhile so as to greet McCain when he gets the news he's going to a warmer place and it isn't Tucson.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 22, 2018 09:29 AM (cW5Gl)

339 "You are mixing Civil cases with criminal law. I could be wrong, but as far as I know Administrative Judges do not preside over any actual criminal trials and can't sentence people to prison, they only deal with administrative issues. "


Yeh...probably a bad example on my part.

Just trying to figure out the impact of past rulings by an official who's very position is declared unconstitutional.

Gonna either be a nothing-burger, or interesting as hell.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:29 AM (EyPfd)

340 Soot knew his medicine was strong; the People had his song poured into their ears, and they wept, and laughed, and felt made whole, and made him the Great Chief in the White Lodge. Yao, it was a strong medicine, but in time the wiser ones in the council knew that it was as smoke--here, then gone. This was in the time before Sun-In-His-Hair and the Great Anger..
============================
What about his squaw Scowl, uncle Zod?? I want to hear more tales about big heepum arms Scowl!!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 09:30 AM (ty7RM)

341 >>A destitute Honduran asylum seeker is suing Trump to get her child back.
1) I thought these people were really poor. How can she afford a lawyer?



See mention above of that Facebook fundraiser getting in $20 million off the crying toddler pic?
That money goes to lawyers representing illegal immigrants.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 09:30 AM (W+vEI)

342 WitchDoctor you stated my earlier point better than I did.

Thank you.

Posted by: squeakywheel at June 22, 2018 09:30 AM (vB7kY)

343 330 On the ALJ thing, I was mistaken in thinking it was a Supreme Court Ruling.

But...my question still remains.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:26 AM (EyPfd)

Are we talking Lucia v. SEC or something else? Lucia just came out of SCOTUS yesterday.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 22, 2018 09:30 AM (RD7QR)

344 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:06 AM (V2Yro)

Thank you.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 22, 2018 09:30 AM (Vzqe+)

345 >>But you are taxing the seller without them having representation if they sell across state lines.
A Pennsylvania seller has no representation in Ohio if they sell there. They pay taxes in Ohio and have no vote on how that tax money is used.

I don't think it works that way. The tax is collected by the seller but remitted to the state where the buyer resides. It's not a tax on the seller, it's a tax on the buyer.

It seems axiomatic that if a seller is able to complete a transaction in a different state that they do in fact have a presence in that state. Electrons have changed the concept of "presence".

Posted by: JackStraw at June 22, 2018 09:31 AM (/tuJf)

346 One of the big complaints about hispanic voters by the Dems is that their turnout is always pretty low, lower than other dem groups. (25% at most, I think) Democrats say "we need more awareness!!!" but in truth, these guys just don't give as much of a shit about politics as the liberals think they should. As you say, they mostly just want to live their lives and be left alone.
Posted by: Tom Servo


They may have turned out. Just not the way the dems wanted.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:31 AM (pGS57)

347 A Pennsylvania seller has no representation in Ohio if they sell there. They pay taxes in Ohio and have no vote on how that tax money is used.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:26 AM


I can't agree with the phrase 'they pay taxes in Ohio'. They collect the money from the purchaser of the item and remit it to the state. They're simply tax collectors. The purchaser is the actual payer of the tax.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 09:31 AM (LOgQ4)

348 Or, in the case of the INCREDIBLY SHORT-SIGHTED electorate of PA, they basically voted in a Communist governor because of Jerry fucking Sandusky.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 09:31 AM (WDCYi)

349 >>Huma knows where my Dew Point is

Ugh, now I really don't wanna go outside.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 22, 2018 09:32 AM (mtfdF)

350 "Are we talking Lucia v. SEC or something else? Lucia just came out of SCOTUS yesterday."
I thought that was the one I was talking about.

But then I must have got mentally side tracked onto another ruling.

See my nic?

It explains much.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2018 09:32 AM (EyPfd)

351 I just thought about this on my way into work.

When the administration EO-ed the travel ban and the libs didn't like it and called it was "racist" because they couldn't really call it "inhumane" when it's simply saying "No, you can't come in our country". The libs challenged it in court and the Hawaiian judge ruled it invalid.

Yet, the policy they don't like is called "inhumane" and Nazi and they don't seem to have challenged it in court. If it were just an EO and they challenged another, more human EO--with all the screeching and tantrums--why wouldn't they have challenged this one? Aren't they complicit in this if they did not take the same measures on a "Trump policy" that got another Trump policy overturned?

I think it shows that the Dems *know* they are up against a legal precedent, and it's not something Trump could just EO into place--just as the administration says.

Posted by: Axeman at June 22, 2018 09:33 AM (vDqXW)

352 >>I always wonder when people say that they pay coyotes 5 to 10 thousand dollars to get them across the border, where do they get that money?



Indentured servitude - they pay off some (most?) of it after they arrive?

Years ago when I was in DC there was a horrific execution of an immigrant family in Maryland - entire family beheaded. The story was that they hadn't paid off coyotes what was promised and they were an example to others to not shirk on outstanding payments after arrival in US.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 09:33 AM (W+vEI)

353 Anyone affected by being taxed by an out of state gov should just ignore.

Let them come to you, force them to send a bill or enable a lawsuit. It cost's the states a lot of money, more than they will gain for most ppl.

A good case for civil disobedience.

And actually the tax is owed by those who buy from you not the seller. That's a convenience forced on vendors in states where the buyer lives.

Not much to lose seeing as how trying to comply would bankrupt anyone with a gross under a 100,000 or so.

Be interesting how they think they can enforce this on small businesses. Remember if you cooperate you lose. You may lose anyway but why go along with your hanging?

Posted by: jakee308 at June 22, 2018 09:34 AM (cW5Gl)

354 Where does one state get the authority to mandate collection of their tax on a private citizen in another state?

The whole thing seems to be a major upending of interstate commerce, federalism, etc.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

355 But you are taxing the seller without them having representation if they sell across state lines. "

We tossed this around a bit yesterday - you have your congressman, and Congress has the power to regulate and/or change this if they choose. So that's the representation.

On this topic, would it be right for your state collect Sales Tax from a Chinese manufacturer that decides to ship low cost goods to your area? There's someone who truly has no representation here. So do they get the gift of no taxes?

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:34 AM (V2Yro)

356 Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 09:33 AM (W+vEI)

O_O

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:35 AM (bUjCl)

357 I thought these people were really poor. How can she afford a lawyer?

heard on NPR yesterday:

NPR's Mary Louise Kelly talks with Jenny Hixon, outreach director for the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services, about the millions of dollars raised to help immigrants at detention centers and how the organization is using the funds.

http://tinyurl.com/ycbv5xuq

Posted by: McCool at June 22, 2018 09:35 AM (lWCRE)

358 Shocker - CNN's Brooke Baldwin puts a D Senator on the spot about outrage (level 0) over Obama's detained immigrant treatment:
===========================
I'm conflicted. She's a tool of the left...but is still of immense interest to my tool.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 09:35 AM (ty7RM)

359 354 Where does one state get the authority to mandate collection of their tax on a private citizen in another state?

The whole thing seems to be a major upending of interstate commerce, federalism, etc.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

Congress can obviate the whole thing. It just depends on who is slopping the most in the Congressional trough.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at June 22, 2018 09:36 AM (RD7QR)

360 'They collect the money from the purchaser of the item and remit it to the state"

The "State", which has done nothing to deserve the revenue. What benefit does the purchaser get from the collected taxes? More bike lanes and homeless shelters.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2018 09:36 AM (UdKB7)

361 Where does one state get the authority to mandate collection of their tax on a private citizen in another state?

The whole thing seems to be a major upending of interstate commerce, federalism, etc.

=

as a few folks pointed out above, that is not the case, the consumer gets taxed according to where he resides, the seller acts as tax collectors of sorts, remits to state

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:37 AM (bUjCl)

362 I don't think it works that way. The tax is collected by the seller but remitted to the state where the buyer resides. It's not a tax on the seller, it's a tax on the buyer.

It seems axiomatic that if a seller is able to complete a transaction in a different state that they do in fact have a presence in that state. Electrons have changed the concept of "presence".
Posted by: JackStraw


You are forcing the seller to work for the city/county/state. Not a big deal for one or two sales. Start selling 3 or 400 different sales a month to 35+ states and having to now hire employees solely for compliance reasons.

Don't you physically have to be somewhere to have a presence there? Or is your presence simply as an extension of USPS or Fed Ex?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:37 AM (pGS57)

363 So, you'll hear Neil Diamond in every Greek chili-dog joint across the nation. Do the Hispanics have a similar poet-singer who embodies their hopes and dreams of a better life in aching yet tender song?

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 09:37 AM (Bdeb0)

364 I don't know how Amazon will be affected by this because anytime I buy something from them I get charged tax already. Doesn't matter where it comes from.

Posted by: jaimo at June 22, 2018 09:38 AM (/Kt3K)

365 348 Or, in the case of the INCREDIBLY SHORT-SIGHTED electorate of PA, they basically voted in a Communist governor because of Jerry fucking Sandusky.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 09:31 AM (WDCYi)

Well they voted out the GOP gov because of his "5 billion dollar cuts" to education, which was actually a federal funding program that ended. But the media lied & Tom Corbet never fought back, just like clockwork. Or should say cuckwork?

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2018 09:38 AM (7HtZB)

366 Strzok lost his clearance.

But he lost his integrity first--just like the bosses he served.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 22, 2018 09:39 AM (Ndje9)

367 I don't know how Amazon will be affected by this because anytime I buy something from them I get charged tax already. Doesn't matter where it comes from.
Posted by: jaimo at June 22, 2018 09:38 AM (/Kt3K)

they win, since 1) the push down smaller online retailer outside their network, and 2) still collect revenue from 3rd party smallish resells on their site that will now be required to pay tax, yet claim 3rd party status and not pay on that piece of income

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:40 AM (bUjCl)

368 Not to mention that conservatives adapt, and this myth that Hispanics only vote Dem is only true in California, where the GOP is stupid and dead. Ted Cruz can debate in Spanish just as well as in English. Gov. Abbot has a hispanic heritage wife, who he campaigns with. Both of them are likely to get 50% of the Hispanic vote here in November. So this whole storyline is just democrat wet dreams.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 09:20 AM (V2Yro)


Levin had a caller from Brownsville, Texas last night, whose parents were originally from Mexico, who reinforced this point. He said that although it's primarily lib there now, people like him are getting assimilated and realizing why this country is still the land of opportunity as long as people don't fuck things up. And the way to fuck things up is to stop doing what works.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (y7DUB)

369 Also funding coyotes: companies contracted to shelter illegals/refugees.

That's the speculation at The Conservative Treehouse. One of the biggest is associated with La Raza, sort of an ACORN for immigration.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (W+vEI)

370 I don't know how Amazon will be affected by this because anytime I buy something from them I get charged tax already. Doesn't matter where it comes from.

Posted by: jaimo at June 22, 2018 09:38 AM


Me too. But I notice that items not subject to Pennsylvania tax - like food and clothing - are also exempt and Amazon does not charge tax on them. It must be a nightmare for compliance.

I'm sure all 57 states must have some similar exemptions.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (LOgQ4)

371 Oh, bike lanes! Don't get me started!

Galveston is just another city in Florida, now.

Posted by: Texian ette at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (gou4q)

372 Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 09:31 AM (WDCYi)

NO. Wolf got voted in because the GOP here kept on pushing a moron incumbent for Gov.

He was useless and ignorant. He got in the first time because Rendell got term limited.

Corbett misspoke a bunch of times highlighting his ignorance and lack of empathy for the ppl of PA. And the Voters said Eff him and didn't vote.

And it was a time of economic hardship and Corbett didn't even go through the motions.

Thus the socialists got their guy in.

This time we have a chance. Don't talk about what you don't know about.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (cW5Gl)

373 You are forcing the seller to work for the
city/county/state. Not a big deal for one or two sales. Start selling 3
or 400 different sales a month to 35+ states and having to now hire
employees solely for compliance reasons.



Don't you physically have to be somewhere to have a presence there?
Or is your presence simply as an extension of USPS or Fed Ex?


Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:37 AM

---

Don't forget that most States have individual County/local sales taxes that vary. Here in Texas each County sets it's sales tax rate on the States base of 6.25% with a maximum of 2% added on to that. Most localities charge the max allowed.


You have to have a constantly updated computer program to figure it all out if you want to sell online based on this ruling.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (+Dllb)

374 Amazon and others have collected state tax for quite some time now ... couple years at least. Direct from China should have to collect it as well I guess,
or pay the tariff (a small tax for the right to use child slaves, the right to steal our tech, the right to pollute, the right to use profits to bring terror/war to US, the right to block most of our goods from their citizens, the right to use profits to buy influence in America, etc.)

Really a tariff is not nearly enough.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (bT8Z4)

375 The "Welcome To America" Time cover on Drudge misses the trick. Trump should be encouraging the small child into a hot-dog bun.

Posted by: Zod at June 22, 2018 09:42 AM (Bdeb0)

376 Progressives lie and are hypocritical. Some conservatives seem to be perpetually amazed by this. Are you that stupid? Don't you know that almost everything published by the progressive media is either a lie or a deception? Don't you know that these people are evil? If we have a civil war, we should arrest these evil people for treason and confiscate everything they own.

Posted by: Not Perpetually Outraged at June 22, 2018 09:43 AM (JjwF2)

377 the seller acts as tax collectors of sorts, remits to state

That's my point-- how could California mandate a seller in Pennsylvania to do anything?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:44 AM (oVJmc)

378 The diving in this Costa Rica - Brazil game is exquisite.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at June 22, 2018 09:44 AM (+Tibp)

379 >>You are forcing the seller to work for the city/county/state. Not a big deal for one or two sales. Start selling 3 or 400 different sales a month to 35+ states and having to now hire employees solely for compliance reasons.

>>Don't you physically have to be somewhere to have a presence there? Or is your presence simply as an extension of USPS or Fed Ex?

It sounds like your are arguing more about the existence of a sales tax rather than how it is applied to different types of businesses. You won't get me to defend sales taxes. Ever.

But if there is going to be one it only seems fair and frankly civically responsible to apply it consistently to all businesses regardless of how they are set up. I'm a part owner of a boat business. Brick and mortar. Why should I have to deal with sales taxes on certain products when an online retailer in east bumbfuck doesn't have to?

If I lose sales to the online guy sooner or later I am going to lose employees and then the business. This is pretty much exactly what happened to book stores and lots of other local retailers. I don't think that is a good or sustainable model for society in the long run.

Just make the rules the same and then we can determine whats a buggy whip company and whats not.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 22, 2018 09:45 AM (/tuJf)

380 That's my point-- how could California mandate a seller in Pennsylvania to do anything?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:44 AM (oVJmc)


the argument is that if you sell in my state, be it a brick and mortar or a virtual brick and mortar, you should pay tax. I hate sales tax any way it is collected, so..but that is the argument

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:47 AM (bUjCl)

381 nood falls

Posted by: runner at June 22, 2018 09:48 AM (bUjCl)

382 compliance for 50 states sounds very difficult but I don't think it really is. Computers are pretty fast ... there are lists and databases ... probably mostly "plug and play" by now.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2018 09:48 AM (bT8Z4)

383 If I become a retail business in my home state, I have to register with the state and post a bond with them for two months of sales tax liability.

Are businesses now going to be forced to do this for every state they want to do business in?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2018 09:49 AM (oVJmc)

384 I'm standing in 2 canoes on this.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2018 09:09 AM (ty7RM)

Which canoe has the guns?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 22, 2018 09:50 AM (hMwEB)

385 368 Levin had a caller from Brownsville, Texas last
night, whose parents were originally from Mexico, who reinforced this
point. He said that although it's primarily lib there now, people like
him are getting assimilated and realizing why this country is still the
land of opportunity as long as people don't fuck things up. And the way
to fuck things up is to stop doing what works.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 22, 2018 09:41 AM (y7DUB)



The last election in which I found exit polling data was in 2008 and it showed Hispanics voted Dem 70% of the time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 09:50 AM (mpXpK)

386 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2018 09:51 AM (mpXpK)

387 compliance for 50 states sounds very difficult but I don't think it really is. Computers are pretty fast ... there are lists and databases ... probably mostly "plug and play" by now.
Posted by: illiniwek


50 states, 3,200+ counties & ??? cities, all with sales taxing authority.

Plus the authority to audit you for compliance.
Plus rates change yearly sometimes.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2018 09:51 AM (pGS57)

388 379 Just make the rules the same and then we can determine whats a buggy whip company and whats not.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 22, 2018 09:45 AM (/tuJf)

It just seems like this is going to drive a lot of one-man, online-only, niche craft operations out of business.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2018 09:52 AM (WDCYi)

389 If we have civil war, we can fire the Supreme Court, and Congress, and all the alphabet soup agencies. We can also invalidate all their crappy laws.

Posted by: Taxed Too Much Already at June 22, 2018 09:52 AM (JjwF2)

390 J.J. you have a beautiful written monologue every morning. You truly have a gift. I'm still pushing you to do a 1 hour daily podcast of the morning report.

Posted by: Dr. Rockzo at June 22, 2018 09:54 AM (E4NQ0)

391 Congratulations to Judge Preska, who denied standing to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She correctly ruled that the CFPB is foundationally corrupt.

It was chartered under the Federal Reserve in an attempt to avoid the Constitution and its pesky accountability to citizens, That's because it acts as a Potomac pirate, extorting businesses and giving the stolen booty to leftist Democrats. The CFPB has all the moral authority of the Mob shaking down a candy store owner for protection money, except the Mob provided an actual service. They should have called it the Corleone Financial Protection Service because it is just more of the Gangster Government that is the Obama Legacy.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 22, 2018 09:55 AM (Ndje9)

392 I look forward every weekday morning to the Morning Report.

Posted by: JJS Fan at June 22, 2018 09:56 AM (JjwF2)

393 Just found out that Trump APPROVED of this stupid ruling on sales tax.

First time I've disagreed with him and it's a biggy.

This law will do untold damage to the retail bonanza created by the internet.

Stupid.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 22, 2018 09:59 AM (cW5Gl)

394 I wonder how many family members of Mueller served as Einsatzgruppen?

Posted by: Avi at June 22, 2018 09:59 AM (C888N)

395 Congratulations to Judge Preska, who denied standing to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She correctly ruled that the CFPB is foundationally corrupt.

-------------------------
Why didn't this happen about a week after the CFPB was formed?

Posted by: Jolo at June 22, 2018 10:01 AM (WrMOC)

396 The last election in which I found exit polling data was in 2008 and it showed Hispanics voted Dem 70% of the time."

A) Exit polling is crap,

B) if California is included, every conclusion is crap. Too many people, too dominant a political culture. The idea that all "hispanics" everywhere in the country vote alike. In the last Texas Governor's race, Abbot got the votes of 49% of Latino men, and 39% of Latino women.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2018 10:03 AM (V2Yro)

397 Why didn't this happen about a week after the CFPB was formed?

A: They were too busy wiretapping and framing Donald Trump.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 22, 2018 10:04 AM (Ndje9)

398 The Kroney Kapitalism opinion piece starts OK, but goes off the rails when it targets SpaceX. Sure Tesla is a boondoggle, but all of the money and more that the government put into SpaceX has not only been used to provide services (at below market prices), but SpaceX has leveraged the private sector to fund research into making a giant leap forward in terms of cost effectiveness and reusability. The "usual suspects" all claimed that it was impossible to reuse first stages. Not only has that been virtually perfected by SpaceX, they are now working on reusing fairings and second stages. Once the BFR and BFS are developed, we will see yet another leap forward. All of this will have been developed in shorter time with much less government money than the dreaded Orion/SLS. I wish that conservatives would not be blinded by their distaste for Musk and just look at what SpaceX has done for so little.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at June 22, 2018 10:07 AM (0W90B)

399 Current rule in Cali was if I bought something from MI and wasn't charged sales tax, I add to "add" that sales tax to my tax I owe Cali on 15-Apr and pay the bill.

If MI did charge me tax at 6% and Cali's (where I live) is 9%, I had to pay 3% to Cali on 15-Apr.

This will level the playing field and as someone said, a cottage industry will develop to track said sales (and related sales tax) and submit to proper authorities.

And this did hurt companies. Heck, look around President's Day or some other holiday and "buy your mattress now and pay no sales tax" was a draw.

Typically sales tax gets collected and funneled to the state and then sent back down to the locality. Take Suzie buying several thousand dollars worth of merchandize and not paying sales tax and ripple that by several thousand people, that's a chunk of change that the locality is losing out on for roads, bridges, whatnot. Which local mom and pop sellers were charging their local customers, remitting to the state and then the locality having that sent back to them.


At the end of the day, it's fair but a pain in the ass to track. Such is life.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 22, 2018 10:11 AM (q1VoB)

400 we must have a moratorium on legal immigration for a period of minimum 20 years.

Not so much on legal immigration, but on immigrants snubbing our laws or having any route to citizenship. Visitors, business contacts, students - these are all immigrants, and I am not against them coming to the US. But
- their visas are monitored, with deportation (at least) for violations
- they don't get to disappear,
- their sponsors are 100% on the hook for them, and
- they will not become citizens.
Other than that, I hope they enjoy their stay.

I remember while growing up there used to be PSAs reminding all aliens that they must register at the nearest Post Office, by the end of January IIRC. What ever happened to that?

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 22, 2018 10:15 AM (X8DLV)

401 398 MichiCanuck . Agree. Any geek who saw two SpaceX rockets land themselves at Cape Canaveral has to be excited. Lockheed Martin and Boeing are crap compared to that.

Posted by: SpaceX Fan at June 22, 2018 10:18 AM (JjwF2)

402 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 22, 2018 07:53 AM (J70i0)

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What a revolting caricature of a politician... this man embodies everything I detest about our system.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 22, 2018 11:33 AM (AzW6q)

403 I wonder how many family members of Mueller served as Einsatzgruppen?

Posted by: Avi at June 22, 2018 09:59 AM (C888N)
-----I see it more like Sicherheitsdienst.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 22, 2018 11:35 AM (AzW6q)

404 Great article at Frontpage about "conspicuous compassion." It's all about gaining power, not fixing lives. From Samantha Power and the ridiculous Libya invasion to the ridiculous vagrant invasion on the West Coast, it's a scam.

Posted by: PJ at June 22, 2018 11:46 AM (qlTN9)

405 Heh.

Normie: 'The jews are sooo smart! That's why they're in charge of everything!'

The same normie: 'I wonder why the world is in such a mess?'

me: 'Mebbe it's because of the jews, who are in charge of everything?'

Normie: 'You racist, anti-semitic NAZI!'

Posted by: The Hot Gates at June 22, 2018 12:24 PM (+/OBU)

406 The Dirty Democrats want Open Borders so they can stay in office and vote away our U.S. Constitution for UN Treaties

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at June 22, 2018 07:45 PM (wGqjj)

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