David Harsanyi: Trump Hasn't Been Especially Bad for the Rule of Law

The wordsmith class of the right can't tell the difference between blustery words and actual actions.

Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian, I'm with you. If you're arguing that Trump's rhetoric is sometimes coarse and un-presidential, I can't disagree. I'm often turned off by the aesthetic and tonal quality of his presidency. And yes, Trump has an unhealthy tendency to push theories that exaggerate and embellish small truths to galvanize his fans for political gain. Those are all legitimate political concerns.
Yet the ubiquitous claim that Trump acts in a way that uniquely undermines "the rule of law" is, to this point, simply untrue.

At National Review, Victor Davis Hanson has it right when he argues that "elites" often seem more concerned about the "mellifluous" tone of leaders rather than their abuse of power. "Obama defies the Constitution but sounds 'presidential,'" he writes, "Trump follows it but sounds like a loudmouth from Queens."
But while Obama’s agreeable tone had plenty to do with his lack of media scrutiny, many largely justified, and even cheered, his abuses because they furthered progressive causes. But not only did liberals often ignore "the rule of law" when it was ideologically convenient, they now want the president to play by a set of rules that doesn't even exist.

As I've been saying for three or four years: This is almost all about class faction, and the fact is, urban conservatives are in the same class as urban liberals, and class is thicker than water. Or ideology.

I haven't finished that piece I mentioned earlier, but Harsanyi is writing along the same lines as I am.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:48 PM

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1 Top Ten!

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (8hICw)

2 Class?

I'll show you class...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (7LY+6)

3 Woo - First!

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (8hICw)

4 But Ace you write sooooo much better than Harsanyi! We want your piece more than his!

Posted by: Draki at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (iYUcu)

5 time to run down another deserter from the Plantation

Posted by: MSM/DNC at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (FZYNt)

6 I'ma defend Trump but first let me write a whole paragraph about how distatsteful Trump is.

Posted by: steevy at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (LiyEm)

7 I'm fiffy.

Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (2LelM)

8 That is one reason progressives get so bent about the phrase "illegal immigrant".

Posted by: Roy at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (7n4KQ)

9 Harsanyi can't write a book review worth shit.

Posted by: Roy at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (7n4KQ)

10 Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian"

Really? Proof?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (7LY+6)

11 At National Review, Victor Davis Hanson has it right when he argues that "elites" often seem more concerned about the "mellifluous" tone of leaders rather than their abuse of power

"Suck my dick, intern!" is still good, correct?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (5RITs)

12
It's because he *is* a loudmouth from Queens.

Thats a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (8XRCm)

13 The problem with the "classy" set is that they are purely superficial. They wouldn't know actual class if it was biting them on the ass.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (o2MD2)

14 What's a Harsanyi? Is that a sandwich? A genital sore? What?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (+CzJu)

15 But Ace you write sooooo much better than Harsanyi! We want your piece more than his!
Posted by: Draki

We not doing phrasing anymore?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (5RITs)

16 That first paragraph...

*face palm*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (4ErVI)

17 it's almost as if the worried class lacks a sense of ...ahhhhhhhh...nuance.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (FOPyv)

18 http://bit.ly/2JEOANL
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'I Felt Foolish ... But We Had No Choice' - Trump Explains Tough Rhetoric On North Korea The Daily Caller
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Willowed

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (y3aQB)

19 Galvanizing your base is problematic.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (4ErVI)

20 What's a Harsanyi"

What does the fox sanyi?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (7LY+6)

21 Their concern about tone is because it's how they control the discourse.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (4ErVI)

22 Trump is just what we need after 8 years of the Choom's illegal actions that the MFM ignored. and since he took office he has steadily been undoing Obama's crap.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (mpXpK)

23 Galvanizing your base is problematic."

As long as you galvanize the components prior to assembly...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:45 PM (7LY+6)

24 Trump is rude, Trump is bombastic, Trump is a buffoon... But he's not bad for the rule of Law? Oh thank you David for your semi-kind words...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 12, 2018 01:45 PM (O2RFr)

25 I think they worry about tone because when they hear someone they don't like speak, all their silly brains allow them to hear (to protect their psyches) is "jesus hayseeed jeebus derp deerrrr"

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (FOPyv)

26 My response: action talks. Bullshit walks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (+CzJu)

27 But first, you will . . .

Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (jsWA8)

28 since it is early in this thread I want to apologise for my lame offensive and unfunny joke I made on the ONT last night. I know we don't really do decorum on those threads but I was a jerk. sorry.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (/qYI7)

29 willowed: The view that the Korean leaders are evil,
insane despots is just propaganda that the people of America prefer to
believe. Oh, sure, they're despots, but I always wondered how much
control they really had.
Interestingly, the progs like to characterize these little commie despots as evil and insane yet their entire philosophy is about making the world a progressive (communist) redistributionist shithole JUST LIKE THAT.

Is it that THEY WANT to BE the little commie despot? I have zero doubt that our progs would build prison camps and torture dissenters if the 2A didn't exist. Progressives ARE Kim Jong Un in their hearts.

It's funny to watch them complain about him when they ARE him.

Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (nRWPy)

30 Trump is just what we need after 8 years of the Choom's illegal actions that the MFM ignored. and since he took office he has steadily been undoing Obama's crap.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (mpXpK)

He's making the Bathhouse Rat disappear and the MFM catamites are apoplectic.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (y7DUB)

31 We not doing phrasing anymore?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (5RITs)

Oh. I don't know how that slipped in there.

Posted by: Draki at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (iYUcu)

32
Galvanizing your base is problematic."

I'm old enough to remember when galvanized was new and hot.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (10vO4)

33 "Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian, I'm with you.

I am so tired of this BS. anybody who says this has a problem of world experience (naïve) or is a disingenuous ideologue and I can't take them seriously.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (H8QX8)

34 I'm fiffy.
Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (2LelM)
+++++++++
I'm confused. Isn't everyone here 29?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (I2dne)

35 these people are as relevant as folks who prattle on about how Isis is not the true embodiment of issslam

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (FOPyv)

36 Personally, I am way past amiable and respectful disagreement. The left deserves no respect. They deserve a steel toed boot to the teeth. I welcome Trump's fuck you anyways rhetoric.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (o2MD2)

37 Progressives ARE Kim Jong Un in their hearts.

Actually, everyone is. Some people just learn self-control.

Posted by: Roy at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (7n4KQ)

38 >>It's because he *is* a loudmouth from Queens.

I am soooo sick of the fainting over this.

I do not believe all these people, for lack of a better word, have never met a loudmouth from NY before.

They are shocked, shocked at him.

Sure.

(brb, getting my eyes off the ceiling because I rolled them too hard)

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (mtfdF)

39 Oh. I don't know how that slipped in there.
Posted by: Draki

*snort.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (5RITs)

40 Class? Like with an ass?

Posted by: Dr. Rockzo at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (IdRpH)

41 The way Trump talks annoyed me too. But I, for one, got over it when I saw what he did/does. Now, I actually enjoy it. It feels like "Troll-level: Master."
:

Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (nRWPy)

42 to quote a Obama "errrrr uhhhhh let's not. Let the perf uh uhhhhh Perfect! be the enemy of the uh uhhhhh good!"

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (FOPyv)

43 Nancy is back with "crumbs".. This time the NK summit.. Bitch

Posted by: It's me donna at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (O2RFr)

44 The Saga:

The passengers and crew of the Sea Cuck run around screaming as the maelstrom Stormy Daniels seizes their craft. "I have a place where I can put you!" the creature bellows.
Fearing for their lives they abandon ship as the Sea Cuck is taken under the waves and now bob about on the life rafts.

-----------

"We're lost at sea! We're gonna die! We'll starve to death!" Jonah cries.
"Knock it off, pudgy, we have rations," Cap'n Bill says.
George looks at a package and reads the label. "Genuine American Bully-Beef - Remember the Maine! To Hell with Spain!" He chucks the package over the side and is smacked in the face as it is flung back into the raft. "Bill, this is Spanish-American War surplus!"
"I got a great deal on it."
"Not even the sharks want it!"
"I'll try," Jonah says and sits quietly, trying to nibble off a piece of the beef before giving up.
"Don't worry, we won't starve," Hillary says, looking at Egg McMuffin.
"Wh-why are you looking at me..."
Huma pinches him. "Feels a little fatty."
"You can't eat me! That's murder!"
"You're the one named after a breakfast sandwich," Clapper states.
"Maybe if we get to shore?" Egg suggests and starts paddling.
"Don't wear yourself out and get all stringy," Huma adds before licking him. "Mmmmm. Soon."

Egg ceases paddling when the raft is 150 feet up the beach and then gets out and runs.
"Alrighty, we're here. That is Mar-A-Lago estate, the lair of the Golden Scalp Weasel."
A spotlight turns on.
"What's that?" Jonah asks.
"A spotlight?"
Flashing blue lights appear in the distance.
"What's that?"
"The police."
Bullets plow up the sand.
"What was that!?!"
"Young Master Trump is telling you to back off," a secret service agent says, "and next time he's not asking."

To be continued.......

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Proudly Sponsors The Last Voyage of the Sea Cuck! at June 12, 2018 01:49 PM (hLRSq)

45 I can visualize that first paragraph being spoken in gravelly voice while the speaker is leaning against a DC townhouse fireplace holding a cocktail.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 01:49 PM (wdmm9)

46

But while Obama's agreeable tone had plenty to do with his lack of media scrutiny, many largely justified, and even cheered, his abuses because they furthered progressive causes. But not only did liberals often ignore "the rule of law" when it was ideologically convenient, they now want the president to play by a set of rules that doesn't even exist."

Further proof (as if we needed any) that those "progressive causes" are diametrically opposed to our form of government and way of life. See Obama and Holder's deadly Promise Program as proof. That led directly to the Parkland massacre by allowing juvenile delinquents to go unpunished because of the "progressive cause" of "disparate impact" of the law on minorities, which is fantasy at best.

Minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crime, which is their tough shit. Wanna stay out of jail? Then stop breaking the law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 12, 2018 01:49 PM (HaL55)

47 It appears that Harsanyi is becoming more supportive of trump. It's interesting to see that he is disgusted with National Review like us.

Posted by: Draki at June 12, 2018 01:50 PM (iYUcu)

48 What David is saying is that Trump acts and talks like an everyday American, and how boorish that is to elitist soyboys like him, but hey at least he's not an out of control dictator!

Thanks Davey, we definitely need more manly soy-filled barrels like you in the trenches fighting our culture war.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:50 PM (+dsLj)

49 Good Post.
Good Link.

I agree with both. Therefore, they must be accurate and worthwhile.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:50 PM (roQNm)

50 6 I'ma defend Trump but first let me write a whole paragraph about how distatsteful Trump is.
Posted by: steevy at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (LiyEm)

Hell, if that's what it's gotta be, I'll take it.

I'm as big a fanboi of Trump as there is, but every so often I gotta remind myself not to get too carried away.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 01:50 PM (AURKQ)

51 Not sure what's cuter - foreign policy "experts" bitching about the summit or constitutional experts concerned about executive overreach again.

Posted by: jhawk90 at June 12, 2018 01:50 PM (Xvo1a)

52 And yes, Trump has an unhealthy tendency to push theories that exaggerate and embellish small truths to galvanize his fans for political gain.

As opposed to the Democrats, who get the press to do that for them for free?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 12, 2018 01:50 PM (/qEW2)

53 21 Their concern about tone is because it's how they control the discourse.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (4ErVI)

I'm sometimes intentionally crude, for just that reason. The left (particularly) and GOPe types constantly ratchet down the language of what is and is not acceptable. I sometimes make a point of releasing the pawl to undo their efforts.

"Oh, you don't 'illegal aliens?' OK, then just to please you, 'wetbacks' it is. Happy now?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:50 PM (+CzJu)

54 to quote a Obama "errrrr uhhhhh let's not. Let the perf uh uhhhhh Perfect! be the enemy of the uh uhhhhh good!"

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (FOPyv)

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That's not an accurate quote! There is an "us" included but a real quote would have many "I"s included as well.

Posted by: Undocumented at June 12, 2018 01:51 PM (5NMZN)

55 Opposition to Trump is aesthetic. Always has been.

Posted by: phone of kari at June 12, 2018 01:51 PM (wvl7p)

56 I have this ongoing theory that due to a collapse of a reality buffer somewhere, Trump actually *is* a visitor from a cartoon dimension. Noble, very good at what he does, but somehow unreal, and immensely irritating to people who violate C.S. Lewis' axiom on putting away the need to pretend-adultness.

My theory is that it's the Jay Ward Dimension, because his middle name is "J.". Rocket J. Squirrel, Bullwinkle J. Moose, Donald J. Trump...

Posted by: Sporkatus at June 12, 2018 01:51 PM (HtLSE)

57 Nancy is back with "crumbs".. This time the NK summit.. Bitch

Posted by: It's me donna at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (O2RFr)

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The Democrat brain-trust. And she's the leader, too. Circling the drain, they are.

Posted by: mrp at June 12, 2018 01:51 PM (Pqytn)

58 To the wordsmith class words *are* action.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Proudly Sponsors The Last Voyage of the Sea Cuck! at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (hLRSq)

59 I am rigid with primordial fear that Alec Baldwin will run for Potus and crush Trump. Heh. That clown is certifiable.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (o2MD2)

60 What does Nancy Pelosi think Obama would have done if he had even managed to have a meeting withy KJU?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (0/+vJ)

61 I'ma defend Trump but first let me write a whole paragraph about how distatsteful Trump is.

Posted by: steevy at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (LiyEm)

I've noticed that a lot - even Trump supporters feel that they have to nod to the shibboleths of the left concerning "tone" and "dignity" when it comes to Teh Donald. It's such a reflex now that it's practically expected, like a soprano clearing her throat before launching into an aria.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (kqsXK)

62 The way Trump talks annoyed me too. But I, for one, got over it when I saw what he did/does. Now, I actually enjoy it.

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I was preconditioned to think the same way too, that a President should be statesmanlike and behave according to the dignity of the office.

Now I realize true dignity in the office is about putting America first and not having an intern serve you under the oval desk.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (+dsLj)

63 http://bit.ly/2Mn3UAD
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Meet the Massive Beast of a WH Chef Who Makes Sure Trump Gets His Protein
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Man don't bitch about the chef

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (y3aQB)

64 "Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian, I'm with you.'
You know what it is? He actually doesn't "sound" like either. It's that the republicans of the past always shrank, whimpered and exposed their underbelly whining their surrender whenever they were attacked.
Trump responds in kind and that freaks them the f out.

It's like the asshole that comes in at night and kicks his dog. He goes to someone else's house and kicks the hell out of their dog and the dog bites him. He then screams, "Hey, something wrong with your horrible mean dog."

Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (nRWPy)

65 If you start off ANY talk about Trump with a paragraph like the one above, you're a cuck and you've already lost.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (4ErVI)

66
What does Nancy Pelosi think Obama would have done if he had even managed to have a meeting withy KJU?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (0/+vJ)

He would have bowed very deeply.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:53 PM (n13/j)

67 "And what's more, Trump doesn't drink tea with his pinky out. That's just unacceptable!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:53 PM (+CzJu)

68 Also: it's perfectly fine to admit you were bluffing when the hand is already over.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 01:53 PM (AURKQ)

69 Kim was more presidential and dignified at the summit. Trump is not who we are...reporting live dockside at the Love canal marina and superfund sports bar...Bill.

Posted by: Capt Kristol in his motorized canoe at June 12, 2018 01:53 PM (yhf6w)

70 UnPresidential?

You mean, like a President playing a fucking saxophone on a second rate late night talk show?

Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 12, 2018 01:53 PM (37IEG)

71 "Their concern about tone is because it's how they control the discourse."

^^^^^^^^^^

THIS!!!

Pea brained mother fuckers can't put together a damn thing to support their viewpoint on something that goes any deeper that "I don't like the tone of...."

Half of them would slit their wrists if exposed to 15 seconds of a mediocre AtC Rant.

% Seconds of a full on rant from her.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (EyPfd)

72 Now I realize true dignity in the office is about putting America first and not having an intern serve you under the oval desk.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (+dsLj)

And not to put your stinking feet up on the Resolute desk.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (+CzJu)

73 Also: it's perfectly fine to admit you were bluffing when the hand is already over.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 01:53 PM (AURKQ)

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No.

You want to know what I had in my hand..... you have to call.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (8XRCm)

74 I'ma defend Trump but first let me write a whole paragraph about how distatsteful Trump is.

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They're not so much backhanding Trump as they're trying to insist just because they're supportive of Trump doesn't mean they're part of those icky, uncouth Trumpers from the Heartland.

I hate these elitist shitstains.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (+dsLj)

75 Wait, I thought master diplomat obama taught us that a successful negotiation means you give the other side pallets of cash, concede all of their demands, and make them agree to nonbinding conditions while tying your own hands with binding restrictions.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (wdmm9)

76 A couple back-handed compliments always makes that crow more palatable.

Posted by: Fritz at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (J7XgW)

77 Someone tells me nood and it's 80 already?

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (+lOpA)

78 dang

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (+lOpA)

79 54 to quote a Obama "errrrr uhhhhh let's not. Let the perf uh uhhhhh Perfect! be the enemy of the uh uhhhhh good!"

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM (FOPyv)

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That's not an accurate quote! There is an "us" included but a real quote would have many "I"s included as well.
Posted by: Undocumented at June 12, 2018 01:51 PM (5NMZN)

"Some say the perfect should be the enemy of the good. Others say the good should be the enemy of the perfect. I say..."

Posted by: rickl at June 12, 2018 01:55 PM (xjiRE)

80 What does Nancy Pelosi think Obama would have done if he had even managed to have a meeting withy KJU?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (0/+vJ)

Trick question, Nancy Pelosi doesn't think, she just spurts out words when necessary.

Posted by: Surfperch at June 12, 2018 01:55 PM (4C0+v)

81 Trump's cook is Conan the Barbarian?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 01:55 PM (o2MD2)

82 Try living in New York state.
The liberal elites in New York City run the state. I believe Cuomo only won New York County and 10 others (some barely) in the state (there are 62 counties) last time he was elected.
These are the people who dictate every single abuse in New York because they don't care. "illegal" immigrants defy the law? Too bad, we need their votes and we'll protect them. You want to frack upstate? Too bad, we support phony global warming.Tou support the Second Amendment? Too bad, in New York City we don't, Constitution and law be damned.
I could go on, but the list is too long.

Posted by: Marcus T, Historian at June 12, 2018 01:55 PM (VpIIl)

83 45 I can visualize that first paragraph being spoken in gravelly voice while the speaker is leaning against a DC townhouse fireplace holding a cocktail.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 01:49 PM (wdmm9)

With his pinky out?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:55 PM (+CzJu)

84 In other hate-on-Trump news, there was a stupid article on Drudge this morning analyzing Trump's "nervous" body language at the NK summit. I read it with annoyance, but then laughed out loud when I came across this comment by some wag:

I still remember the body language of Hilary walking to a car, but it was not news like this is.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 12, 2018 01:56 PM (yACxx)

85 Opposition to Trump is aesthetic. Always has been.
Posted by: phone of kari at June 12, 2018 01:51 PM (wvl7p)

True. It's a shame we're not better than that. Because it's as stupid as supporting someone merely because they are a "historic first".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 12, 2018 01:56 PM (/qEW2)

86 "Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian, I'm with you.'

************************

Yeah, this is complete strawmen bullshit. They define Trump defending himself against attacks as being a bully, and his populism as being authoritarian.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:56 PM (+dsLj)

87 "For decades, American policy toward North Korea has failed. As negotiations now advance, there is only one acceptable final outcome: complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization. The road ahead is a long one, but today there is hope that President Donald J. Trump has put us on a path to lasting peace on the Korean peninsula."

~ Paul Ryan

Posted by: grammie winger at June 12, 2018 01:56 PM (lwiT4)

88 What's a Harsanyi"

What does the fox sanyi?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (7LY+6)

BLITZKREIG!!!!!

Posted by: Erwin Rommel at June 12, 2018 01:56 PM (8D42x)

89 I'm sometimes intentionally crude, for just that reason. The left (particularly) and GOPe types constantly ratchet down the language of what is and is not acceptable. I sometimes make a point of releasing the pawl to undo their efforts.

"Oh, you don't 'illegal aliens?' OK, then just to please you, 'wetbacks' it is. Happy now?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I won't hesitate to toss a turd in the punch bowl if the situation warrants it.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:57 PM (5RITs)

90 I heard a Hawaiian Judge has ordered NoK to begin weapons development again.

Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at June 12, 2018 01:57 PM (jsWA8)

91 even Trump supporters feel that they have to nod to the shibboleths of the left concerning "tone" and "dignity" when it comes to Teh Donald.

it is better to start with a strong negotiating position, like that Donald is the God Emperor. we can bargain down to him getting his face on Rushmore.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 01:57 PM (/qYI7)

92 Mama AJ at June 12, 2018 01:48 PM

As a long haul truck driver who has made many deliveries in NYC, I agree with you.

I sincerely hope this endorsement doesn't hurt your standing among the Moron Horde.

To get the full flavor of NYC at the street level, feel free to insert numerous F-bombs throughout this entire post.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:57 PM (roQNm)

93 I was preconditioned to think the same way too, that a President should be statesmanlike and behave according to the dignity of the office.

And to be dildoed consistently by every tinpot dictator and washed up European sissy leader.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:58 PM (+CzJu)

94
I heard a Hawaiian Judge has ordered NoK to begin weapons development again.

Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at June 12, 2018 01:57 PM (jsWA

heh

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:58 PM (n13/j)

95 I've noticed that a lot - even Trump supporters feel that they have to nod to the shibboleths of the left concerning "tone" and "dignity" when it comes to Teh Donald. It's such a reflex now that it's practically expected, like a soprano clearing her throat before launching into an aria.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2018 01:52 PM (kqsXK)

It needs an official meme.

Obligatory Trump Preamble

OTP

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:58 PM (+lOpA)

96 >>But not only did liberals often ignore "the rule of law" when it was ideologically convenient, they now want the president to play by a set of rules that doesn't even exist.

The "rules" are simply a vehicle through which they want a duly elected POTUS to be prohibited from serving.

That's what it is: they want to stop him from doing anything simply because he beat their gal.
Daniel Greenfield wrote a great post about how Democrats have been working to make being elected while Republican illegal (via 2000 Bush recounts, etc.).

Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 01:58 PM (W+vEI)

97 Just like Bill Kristol..MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/299236/

Posted by: steevy at June 12, 2018 01:58 PM (LiyEm)

98 No.

You want to know what I had in my hand..... you have to call.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (8XRCm)

During the hand, sure.

But I also want my opponent to know they got bluffed once in a while, so they know i'm capable of it. Because later, they won't run away as fast when I go in heavy on a killer hand.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 01:59 PM (AURKQ)

99 What's a Harsanyi"

What does the fox sanyi?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (7LY+6)

Third base!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:59 PM (+CzJu)

100 LOL because the first six months of PDJT was 'tweets' and how they were wrong, bad, unpresidential, etc.

As I said at the time, this prim Midwesterner enjoyed them and especially enjoyed that he was getting messages out beyond the 'know better/handlers'.

Don't know how far Harsanyi is willing to accept unfiltered communications, but this oldster is enjoying the heck out of it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 12, 2018 01:59 PM (MIKMs)

101 Yes, it seems that conservatives need to ask permission to speak frankly .

Cause the left is soooooo much more mannered.

Excuse me while a take a dump on this car and write my letter to the editor in poop.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 12, 2018 01:59 PM (ymnmz)

102
And yes, Trump has an unhealthy tendency to push theories

Because they always know what's good for us and what isn't.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:59 PM (10vO4)

103 LOL.

The lovely Trish Regan screwed up her metaphor.
She said those that are criticizing PDT re: Korea see the glass as 'half-full'.
I think pessimists see it as 'half-empty'.

But, I was more interested in her light, cottony top.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 12, 2018 01:59 PM (8iiMU)

104 Short version: in New York you punch, we punch back. Harder and sometimes louder. Man-up weenie.

Posted by: Marcus T, Historian at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (VpIIl)

105

I liked Harsanyi a bit right up until he wrote a piece about manufacturing that was so bad, it wasn't even wrong. Told him about it too in the comments. I don't suffer bullshit gladly.

He needs to get out more, like all N-T'ers need to do badly.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (HaL55)

106 let's just say I'd want to use a lot of bleach on that shower floor after Ruhle used it.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (/qYI7)

107 >>MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

They think their anger is impressive.
How is this different from Islamic Rage Boy?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (W+vEI)

108 24 Trump is rude, Trump is bombastic, Trump is a buffoon... But he's not bad for the rule of Law? Oh thank you David for your semi-kind words...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 12, 2018 01:45 PM (O2RFr)
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Eh. Trump often IS rude and bombastic.

The problem we have is that political discourse has become so constrained by taboos and ridiculously strict notions of decorum that actual communication is impossible. (It goes without saying that these stifling rules are mainly imposed on opponents of the Left.)

You can't say much of anything when you're walking on eggshells and it takes a bull-in-the-china-shop to pierce the mystique.

Someone once said that our virtues and vices are always two sides of the same coin. So it is with Trump. Rudeness and bombast, yes --- but along with them honesty and COURAGE.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (0jtPF)

109 Red State Urban Conservatives are not comparable to Blue State Urban Conservatives.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (c6UIl)

110 "It's because he *is* a loudmouth from Queens.

I am soooo sick of the fainting over this.

I do not believe all these people, for lack of a better word, have never met a loudmouth from NY before."

A lot of Jonah Goldberg's antipathy towards is his view of Trump as an uncouth, outer Borough lodmouth. Jonah grew up in a rich neoghborhood in Manhattan and has stated that Trump reminds him of his bigoted doorman from Queens. There is a real snobbiness to people like that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (OD2ni)

111 Posted by: steevy

Stephanie Ruhle is a feckless cvnt

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (Bdeb0)

112 "The lovely Trish Regan screwed up her metaphor."
She could say poopy and make it sound good.

Posted by: Marcus T, Historian at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (VpIIl)

113 86 "Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian, I'm with you.'

************************

if anyone has actually paid attention to trump. Here's a handy guide...

1. if he wants something from you, he'll butter you up.
2. if you're nice to him, he'll butter you up.
3. if you you're some random citizen who crosses his path, he'll butter you up.
4. if you fuck with him, he'll crack your fucking soul.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (FOPyv)

114 "sounds like a loudmouth from Queens."

Reason #45,976 why I LOVE this POTUS.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (SGpFT)

115 even Trump supporters feel that they have to nod to the shibboleths of the left concerning "tone" and "dignity" when it comes to Teh Donald.

it is better to start with a strong negotiating position, like that Donald is the God Emperor. we can bargain down to ~~him getting his face on Rushmore.~~ having the 22nd Amendment repealed.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo

Suggested edit.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (5RITs)

116 OT Rose McGowan indicted on felony drug possession. #MeToke.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (/qEW2)

117 >>MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

All the while rubbing her nether regions seductively.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (o2MD2)

118 Trump really angers them because he is a "class traitor", at least in their eyes. They loved him when he wrote checks to them, took selfies with them, let them on his reality TV show, etc.

The "tone" stuff is b.s. They would have loved the way he talks if he was still one of them.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (MuTTO)

119 "MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower"

She should take pictures next time and post them.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (OD2ni)

120 The screeching about Trump and the rule of law is just the typical leftist projection tactic. It doesn't even deserve analysis.

Posted by: Alpine Crotch at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (vmU0f)

121 An interesting headline popped up on my phone. "Judge orders Mueller to identify unnamed figures in Manafort indictment"

Not sure what it means, but it sounds like it could be big.

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (LpV0I)

122 "I'm often turned off by the aesthetic and tonal quality of his presidency." --Harsanyi

The Republicans drove the car into the ditch and are just drinking their Slurpees.

Take a gun to a knife fight.

You didn't build that.

Republicans are gutting Medicare and Social Security.

(Referring to Trump) At least I will go down as a president.

Posted by: Furious George at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (9vQJW)

123 okay Xipe, now I need bleach for my eyes too

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (/qYI7)

124 Eh. Trump often IS rude and bombastic.

I thought that was just being a New Yorker?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (5RITs)

125 For the record, Stephanie Ruhle is a capital One.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (AURKQ)

126 What David is saying is that Trump acts and talks like an everyday American, and how boorish that is to elitist soyboys like him, but hey at least he's not an out of control dictator!

It is a sign that those of the left with any semblance of rationality are recognizing that President Donald Trump is going to make America great again --- for all of us.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (8n0ul)

127 MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

There, there, sweetheart. Trump doesn't you're alive.

Hell, I didn't know you were alive until just now, and I'm going to forget it in a minute.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (+CzJu)

128 Rule of what? I have a pen! And a phone!

I AM THE LAW

Posted by: President Kenyan Exchange Student at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (37IEG)

129 doesn't know

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:03 PM (+CzJu)

130 >>As I said at the time, this prim Midwesterner enjoyed them and especially enjoyed that he was getting messages out beyond the 'know better/handlers'.

Don't know how far Harsanyi is willing to accept unfiltered communications, but this oldster is enjoying the heck out of it.
- - - -

Yes!

Also: How much is he driving them crazy by tweeting any time of day or night, on weekends, and reaching out and attacking by name?

He is forcing them to cover certain stories, defend certain people - destroying their routine news shaping abilities.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 02:03 PM (W+vEI)

131 I am sick of smart people beginning their praise of trump with the whole "Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian' crap.

I think he talks like demented zoolander at times but he's only vulgar behind closed doors.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:03 PM (FOPyv)

132
What's a Harsanyi"

I think they made cheap color tv's back in the 70's

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:03 PM (10vO4)

133

Someone tells me nood and it's 80 already?

Hey, we're full of covfeve.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 12, 2018 02:03 PM (HaL55)

134 At least I will go down as a president.
Posted by: Furious George at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (9vQJW)

As Reggie Love can testify.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:03 PM (+CzJu)

135 I sure would like to see whatever it is rosenstein wrote to mueller that detailed the bounds of his witch-hunt.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:04 PM (FOPyv)

136 Red State Urban Conservatives are not comparable to Blue State Urban Conservatives.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:00 PM (c6UIl)

For now. Most Red State urban conservatives are still living in deep blue cities. And they are getting bluer by the day.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:04 PM (n13/j)

137 is ace dating allahpundit again ? yesterday he (ace) blamed social security fiasco on Donny..and today.. saying summit was a nothing-burger.

Posted by: chango butt at June 12, 2018 02:04 PM (nDHL4)

138 I think they made cheap color tv's back in the 70's
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:03 PM (10vO4)

I thought maybe it was like the Czech version of the Trabant.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:04 PM (+CzJu)

139 Obama:Causes jungle fever sexual daydreaming in the shower
Trump:Causes shouting of obscenities

LOL

Posted by: steevy at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (LiyEm)

140 At least I will go down as a president.
Posted by: Furious George

And you go down with gusto also

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (Bdeb0)

141 LBJ used to shit with the door open and hold meetings while he did. Don't preach at me about the dignity of the office.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (wdmm9)

142 and back to the point of the article...trump has been kinda bad for the rule of law because he hasn't thrown hawaain judges who just make shit up to be political out of all the helicopters.

but I blame sessions.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (FOPyv)

143 Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (+dsLj)

Exactly. They're backhanding *us*. Time to make them draw back a stump.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (rp9xB)

144 ****Prayer request

I just got an e-mail from my head denominational official to say that my supervisors administrative assistant committed suicide. This is a week after her three granddaughter died after a illness. So now her family not only don't have a three year old daughter. They don't have a mother and mother in law. Hell!!. Her name was "D" Please pray for her family and friends She was a very energetic, lovable and kind woman. I only saw her once of twice a year or exchanged e-mails with her every couple of months. I'm feeling devastated and I only knew her to that extent. So, yes, you never know what a huge impact you have on somebody's life, even if you don't know them that well. Please get help NOW if you're depressed and considering taking your life. There are more people than you realize who will be devastated by your death.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (0/+vJ)

145 LBJ used to shit with the door open and hold meetings while he did. Don't preach at me about the dignity of the office.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Monica.

mic drop.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 02:06 PM (5RITs)

146 She said those that are criticizing PDT re: Korea see the glass as 'half-full'.
I think pessimists see it as 'half-empty'.

------

Realists say "this glass has piss in it!!"

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:06 PM (8XRCm)

147 140 At least I will go down as a president.
Posted by: Furious George

Who? Was there another President.. I don't see anything Oh... a vague shadow of a crappy health care plan, but other than that ... Nada

Posted by: It's me donna at June 12, 2018 02:06 PM (O2RFr)

148 MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

Sounds deranged.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (0/+vJ)

149 OT, but wanna bet Mueller's office leaks something or indicts or subpoenas someone before the day is out in order to allow CNN and the rest to change the subject from Trump's stunning summit with Kim?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (y8Foj)

150 I'm a snob. My kids even think I "sound snobby." I ridicule pronunciation, grammar, verbal ticks, and gestures. Even I am now past worrying over Trump's persona. It works, he's effective, and it makes the Left crazier.

I'm pro-anything that distresses the Left. They're jealous that he can create "every man" through speech vs using race.

Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (nRWPy)

151 Trump, he's kinda like those yanks marching through Europe in the '40s.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (8n0ul)

152 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (0/+vJ)

That is sad news.Request granted.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (8iiMU)

153 MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

Sharing the shower used to be fun...not anymore. Guess why.

Posted by: Stephie's boyfriend at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (GYX1g)

154 Realists say "this glass has piss in it!!"
Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:06 PM (8XRCm)

The engineer says, "this glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (AURKQ)

155 At least I will go down as a president.
Posted by: Furious George

On who?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (y8Foj)

156
MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

Somebody should market a Trump shower caddy liberals can yell while showering.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (10vO4)

157 FenelonSpoke

Awful... prayers sent

Posted by: It's me donna at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (O2RFr)

158 So if you have a voice for radio you can get away with copping a feel of the wimmens? Hmmmm...

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at June 12, 2018 02:08 PM (RD7QR)

159 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:05 PM (0/+vJ)

same here, prayers sent.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:08 PM (n13/j)

160 MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

I wonder which Trump was in the shower with her?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:08 PM (Bdeb0)

161 sean davis is having none of this...folks criticizing trump still think it's 2003 and a few jdams will solve all your problems. not!

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM (FOPyv)

162

PDT is what we once called "young at heart." That's not the same thing as the Screaming Garbage Babies on the left who absolutely refuse to grow up. He just tells the truth and the Progs think it's hell.

Also, Mmm, Trish Regan...

Oh yeah, I'd have to be surgically removed from her.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM (HaL55)

163 The engineer says, "this glass is twice as big as it needs to be"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (AURKQ)

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heh.... good one.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM (8XRCm)

164 Trump is like Patton . They want a MacArthur . I would like a MacArthur too but that's not happening. Accept the successful, brilliant but loud and brash General you have and get on with your life.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM (c6UIl)

165 116 OT Rose McGowan indicted on felony drug possession. #MeToke.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 12, 2018 02:01 PM (/qEW2)

That explains so much.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM (+lOpA)

166 >> "Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian, I'm with you.'

If we want to talk about being unpresidential, and bullying, then you have to start with Obama: he was fond of not just attacking his political foes, but segments of the American public. He made clear he was *not* president of all of us, just those who voted for him; the rest of us were racists. He bullied Wall Street, bankers, jet owners, gun owners, teabaggers, people who were opposed to open borders and refugees, and on and on.

And then there was the constant scolding. Will never forget how often, after a domestic terror attack, he would straight-up scold us for being racists.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (W+vEI)

167 Somebody should market a Trump shower caddy liberals can yell while showering.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (10vO4)

A little voice-activated speaker that replies to you whenever you scream in the shower.

"I know, right?"

"You're so much better than Rachael at work."

"No, I'm sure he loves you, it's just that your Daddy doesn't understand you, you know?"

et cetera.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (AURKQ)

168 "MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower"

She should take pictures next time and post them.
Posted by: Benji Carver

Just no.

Posted by: That IT perv guy at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (GYX1g)

169 AP informs me today that gas prices are "skyrocketing"! As are housing costs.Soup kitchens and bread lines are only a matter of time.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (O5Q3r)

170

Prayers up, FS.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (HaL55)

171 Remember when Trump was interviewed by some idiot sitting in a bathtub full of cheerios?

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (xBSm0)

172 Herbert Walker, Dole, McCain, Romney. They all tried "presidential" and they all lost. I wish the country as a whole was more dignified but it isn't. Trump won his way, not my way, but also not the way that lost most of our elections.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (n13/j)

173 I love when they pick apart the "package" that is Trump.
Trump is an enigma. You can't simply pick and choose the parts you like or don't like because it's the complete combination that makes it work.
I explained it to someone this morning like this. People like Obama are about "opportunities". People like Trump are about "possibilities".
Those are two completely different ways of thinking.
Obama was opportunistic in the way he handled things. He let the status quo be so he could predict openings and exploit them when they occurred.
Trump imagines what's possible. There are many more dynamics to that thinking. It's not just the status quo, it's what you can dream, imagine or believe may be done, no matter how remote.
That's how great entrepreneurs think. That's largely how Trump thinks. He's not about the convention, he's about the potential innovation.
That's why a lot of people freak out over Trump. They like comfortable and predictable. They like stability and loath the instability and relative unpredictability around the types of actions an unconventional thinker like Trump engages in. They want their binky or blanket.
Trump is the type of thinking that made this country great. It's how we used to think before this generation (or two) of comfortable opportunistic dullards showed up and told us we must adhere to their conventions.
SO they could tell us how "smart" they are, don't resist them. They know the future and theirs is the "right" way.
Screw that and screw them. We've been stuck in this rut of meaningless conventional, "inevitable" predictability for too long.
The average person largely knows this. It's how you got Trump in the first place.

Posted by: Marcus T, Historian at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (VpIIl)

174 Will never forget how often, after a domestic terror attack, he would straight-up scold us for being racists.

-----

Bitter clingers.

When his gramama is a "typical white person".... how are the rest of us *ever* going to measure up to his high standards.

*spit*

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (8XRCm)

175 Sean davis is having none of this...folks criticizing trump still think it's 2003 and a few jdams will solve all your problems. not!

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM

I don't understand. Sean Davis is saying that Trump isn't manly enough to through jdams around and solve the world's problems?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (roQNm)

176 The engineer says, "this glass is twice as big as it needs to be"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:07 PM (AURKQ)

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heh.... good one.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM (8XRCm)

When I was a kid I submitted a quip to Readers Digest to try and get $50 they would pay for published quips.

Is the glass half full or half empty? Depends if your pouring something in or pouring something out.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (c6UIl)

177 AP informs me today that gas prices are "skyrocketing"! As are housing costs.Soup kitchens and bread lines are only a matter of time.
Posted by: tu3031 at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (O5Q3r)

It seems like gas prices have actually come down a few cents in the past few days, at least where I am....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (y8Foj)

178 "MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

Sharing the shower used to be fun...not anymore. Guess why."

Trump is a 61%er.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (EyPfd)

179 Seriously, what kind of life must you have if you shout curses at Trump in the shower? He can't hear them, nor can anyone else. and if they did they might think it was more than little odd even if they agreed with you I didn't like Obama but I didn't shout curses at him in the shower. Get some perspective on life, honey. Presidents come and go. How is he directly affecting you life?!! Sounds like a need for counseling.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (0/+vJ)

180 I wonder which Trump was in the shower with her?
Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:08 PM (Bdeb0)

For a second, my brain told me the answer to this question was Ivanka.

I almost didn't make it back to my bunk in time...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (AURKQ)

181

I like Mr Trump's bluster.

President Trump blusters FOR ME.

Posted by: Soothi at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (s6l8t)

182 Maybe because I used your instead of you're is why I never heard back from them.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (c6UIl)

183 Realists say "this glass has piss in it!!"
Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:06 PM (8XRCm)

Democrats say "Tax the glass!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:13 PM (+CzJu)

184 Trump is like Patton . They want a MacArthur . I would like a MacArthur too but that's not happening. Accept the successful, brilliant but loud and brash General you have and get on with your life.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp

You want Eisenhower
You'll settle for MacArthur
You get Patton
And you thank God you didn't get Custer!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 02:13 PM (5RITs)

185
Maybe because I used your instead of you're is why I never heard back from them.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (c6UIl)

------

GRAMMAR

The difference between knowing your shit, and knowing you're shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:13 PM (8XRCm)

186 MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower

What a sad, pathetic life she must have.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (O5Q3r)

187 {{Fen}}
definitely one to add to the prayer list

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (/qYI7)

188 MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower
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Lunacy.

I hated *HATED* the JEF. I never was reduced to mindless howls of pain and rage into the void.

Yet, we've seen this consistently from people on the left since Trump was elected.

I can't believe one of them hasn't yet made an attempt on his life.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (AzW6q)

189 Trump is like Patton . They want a MacArthur .

That's kind of you. They don't want a MacArthur they want a McClellan.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (8n0ul)

190 @mcavoy83998365 11m

Mother Jones journalist David Corn joked about rape, gave 'unwelcome shoulder rubs': Emails http://fxn.ws/2zsdC14 #FoxNews

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (zfrbv)

191 Posted by: fixerupper

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." Barack Obama

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (Bdeb0)

192 Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (c6UIl)

hehe

There's scads of those jokes that I just can't remember anymore.

The lawyer says, "why is there no lid on that glass!"

The bartender says, "ready for another one?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:15 PM (AURKQ)

193 155 At least I will go down as a president.
Posted by: Furious George

I'd go down to be president! Be it man, woman, beast, or anything in between! I just don't think my exosuit allows the proper range of motion...

Posted by: Hillary! at June 12, 2018 02:15 PM (LpV0I)

194 GRAMMAR

through - throw

They sound the same to me.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 02:15 PM (roQNm)

195 AP informs me today that gas prices are "skyrocketing"! As are housing costs.
Posted by: tu3031 at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (O5Q3r)

That's news? Not in California.

Gas prices are skyrocketing because the idiots in Sacramento just placed a whacking great tax on gas.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (+CzJu)

196 Seriously, what kind of life must you have if you
shout curses at Trump in the shower? He can't hear them, nor can anyone
else. and if they did they might think it was more than little odd even
if they agreed with you I didn't like Obama but I didn't shout curses
at him in the shower. Get some perspective on life, honey. Presidents
come and go. How is he directly affecting you life?!! Sounds like a need
for counseling.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:12 PM (0/+vJ)

He effects them because they choose it. People cursed Bush and Obama in the shower too. Not saying Obama did not screw up a lot of people, because he did. But you still have to live your life. If you are thinking about who is the president every day of your life, you are doing in wrong.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (n13/j)

197 Yeah its been a pretty obvious that most enemies of Trump are unhappy at what he says more than what he actually does. They view rhetoric and statements with more significance than deeds. Because for most nevertrumpers, that's their life: talking, writing. That's all they do, all they offer.

I mean, I'm pretty much the same way but at least I can appreciate deeds.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (39g3+)

198 Herbert Walker, Dole, McCain, Romney. They all tried "presidential" and they all lost. I wish the country as a whole was more dignified but it isn't. Trump won his way, not my way, but also not the way that lost most of our elections.
Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (n13/j)

You made a good point with "I wish the country as a whole was more dignified, but it isn't."
That's why all the slamming of Trump on style points pisses me off. Like when he mispronounces a word or spells something wrong in a tweet. If we were a nation of scholars who didn't make such mistakes, I could see the criticism. But we're not. So to single him out is just piling on----especially since Obama made so many gaffes.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (y8Foj)

199 21 Their concern about tone is because it's how they control the discourse.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM

Just a classy way of saying shut your mouth serf.

Posted by: Lester at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (LfJIn)

200 And I guarantee you that Ruhle doesn't actually scream in the shower. She just wants All The Right People to know that She Cares, You Guys (tm).

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (AURKQ)

201 190
@mcavoy83998365 11m

Mother Jones journalist David Corn joked about rape, gave 'unwelcome shoulder rubs': Emails http://fxn.ws/2zsdC14 #FoxNews

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (zfrbv)

Are any shoulder rubs welcome outside the massage parlour?
Really, I don't get al the handsy stuff at work?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 12, 2018 02:17 PM (ymnmz)

202
When you yell at the Trump shower caddy it tells you to shut up and wash your mish or he'll slap your Canadian girlfriend

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:17 PM (10vO4)

203 ewe

oh

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 02:17 PM (8n0ul)

204 175 Sean davis is having none of this...folks criticizing trump still think it's 2003 and a few jdams will solve all your problems. not!

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:09 PM

I don't understand. Sean Davis is saying that Trump isn't manly enough to through jdams around and solve the world's problems?

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no, trump's critics are the ones who failed in the past. and I guess they're still living in the past.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:17 PM (FOPyv)

205 As I grew up watching the playboy tabloid billionaire trump, never once did I think I was looking at one of the greatest presidents.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (wdmm9)

206 "But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." Barack Obama
Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (Bdeb0)

----

I can handle a progressive President. I can even handle Socialist President.

But that mans arrogance and condescension was breathtakingly obvious.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (8XRCm)

207 Trump is like Patton . They want a MacArthur .

That's kind of you. They don't want a MacArthur they want a McClellan.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (8n0ul)

The Repubs, yes. But they are likely to get a Burnside and pay the price. You are right though, they want a McClellan. A nice tidy defeat with no major catastrophes.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (n13/j)

208 Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (n13/j)

Well, I'm not thinking about him everyday unless he's the subject of a post here which I read but I do pray him daily.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (0/+vJ)

209 MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle:Yeah,I scream curses at Trump in the shower
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As she orgasms with the adjustable shower head.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (y8Foj)

210
Sometimes I think of Trump as the Jeff Spicoli of presidents, but without the pot.
"All You Haters and Losers" lol

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (r+sAi)

211 Gas prices are skyrocketing because the ~~idiots in Sacramento just placed~~ douchebag voters ALLOWED and will continue to allow a whacking great tax on gas.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Fixed.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (zfrbv)

212 Trump is such a bully that he scared Justin's eyebrow right off his face.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (EyPfd)

213 Posted by: Hillary! at June 12, 2018 02:15 PM (LpV0I)

The only time you every "go down", it's in the ass-over-tea-kettle sense of the phrase.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:19 PM (AURKQ)

214 200 And I guarantee you that Ruhle doesn't actually scream in the shower. She just wants All The Right People to know that She Cares, You Guys (tm).
Posted by: Warai-otoko

I can think of a lot of news babes I'd like to make scream in the shower. Ruhle isn't on that list.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:19 PM (Bdeb0)

215 And I guarantee you that Ruhle doesn't actually scream in the shower. She just wants All The Right People to know that She Cares, You Guys (tm).
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (AURKQ)
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IDK, man. Thousands of people across the fruited plain gathered together in all of our major cities to scream at the sky in unison.

Wiccans were placing hexes on the man in organized rituals.

The Left appears to be mentally broken by his election, and every day that passes, they get flippin' crazier.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 12, 2018 02:19 PM (AzW6q)

216 Seriously, what kind of life must you have if you shout curses at Trump in the shower?

Or burst into tears over an election?

Anyone that emotionally unstable shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:19 PM (+CzJu)

217 206
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking.
I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't
mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." Barack
Obama

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (Bdeb0)

----

I can handle a progressive President. I can even handle Socialist President.

But that mans arrogance and condescension was breathtakingly obvious.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (8XRCm)

That's a beauty. I never heard that one.
Shut up, he explained. I got some socialisting to do.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 12, 2018 02:19 PM (ymnmz)

218 when people say this, they're just saying they're insane. "I hear trump and all my brain lets me see is Al Cervik from Caddyshack. so uncouth, why...I never."

the larger problem is the left has decided all our ideas are illegal...and a bit silly. So, most GOP types acquiesce and tone it down while trump is like Homer Simpsons..."what did we lose a war? that's not America, that's not even Mexico".

trump is saying things that HR would like to remind all employee that are grounds for termination.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:20 PM (FOPyv)

219 what kind of life must you have if you
shout curses at Trump in the shower?

--

I tried that venting of frustration and discovered it doesn't help. You are still just as frustrated after your primal scream of rage as you were before. Even more importantly, if, in your moment of rage, you break something, and that something is important, you have to replace what you broke, and that costs real world money.

It took a few moments of self-destructive rage to learn. I might be slow, but I do learn.

Except for last night and my shouted tirade as I marched up and down the hallway. That was therapeutic.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 02:20 PM (roQNm)

220 When you yell at the Trump shower caddy it tells you to shut up and wash your mish or he'll slap your Canadian girlfriend
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:17 PM (10vO4)

10

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 02:20 PM (+lOpA)

221 She just wants All The Right People to know that She Cares, You Guys (tm).
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (AURKQ)

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Boil it all down.. strip it all away.. THAT is the root core principal of modern progressives.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:20 PM (8XRCm)

222 Well, I do agree with the "rude and bombastic" part.
(But I believe the "rudeness" is something we desperately NEED now.)

I don't buy that Trump sounds like a "bully" but I see
where it's coming from, given the perverse pacifism of our ruling class. Kid hits you and you're supposed to take it. Run to mommy. Run to teacher, who will do nothing.
Trump hits back --- and so HE is the "bully!"
Again, "bullies" like this are something we desperately NEED.

I don't get the "authoritarian" vibe though, unless sounding CREDIBLY strong is supposedly "authoritarian."
I guess you're supposed to sound weak.
Perhaps they think he sounds "authoritarian" simply because they sense a disparity of strength. He does not fear them.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 02:20 PM (0jtPF)

223 I'm sure none of the founders were crude, brash and outspoken.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 02:20 PM (wdmm9)

224 Andy Jackson, well known for his social graces.

Posted by: President Kenyan Exchange Student at June 12, 2018 02:21 PM (37IEG)

225 As I grew up watching the playboy tabloid billionaire trump, never once did I think I was looking at one of the greatest presidents.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (wdmm9)
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If you had told me five years ago that Donald John Trump and Dennis "The Worm" Rodman would broker a tentative framework for a peace agreement in the Korean Peninsula, I'd have recommended that you seek counseling.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 12, 2018 02:21 PM (AzW6q)

226 Harsanyi and Hanson have it right, of course. But Ace has it wrong. Trump IS urban, very much a New Yorker, and I guess a conservative. Anyway, he's governing as one. And Trump is definitely of the elite class, as well, if that term means anything.

But it really doesn't. The real flaw is that we've internalized the left's notion of a very few classes, two or three, normally. And that's just a model based on Marx's blather. But it gets interpreted as a matter of style. Since that itself is judged in a very shallow manner, this talk comes to nothing. A real established upper class simply wouldn't flaunt it the way both Trump and his enemies do.

Really, the best writer on this is David Brooks, now that Tom Wolf and Florence King are dead.. With Brooks, it's not a matter of what he is trying to say, but really in what he DOES say - and show - in his writings. And Brooks, like all pseudo-upper class types, it's all about fashion. But he does see that something has been lost with the death of the old WASP elite; he just doesn't know what it is.

But to the main point, it's absolutely true that Trump has so far done more to reestablish the rule of law than any American politician of my lifetime. The tow points are not unrelated; rule by the wealthy fashionistas is inherently lawless; they change the rules with the phases of the moon.

Posted by: George LeS at June 12, 2018 02:21 PM (59GGI)

227 I, too, am tired of any Trump commentary needing to be prefaced with the "obligatory dump on Trump."

Could you just say "Trump dittos" and let us take it as read?

Posted by: Parker at June 12, 2018 02:22 PM (MFwf8)

228 14 What's a Harsanyi? Is that a sandwich? A genital sore? What?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I went out with a girl who had a rash on harsanyi. It wasn't contagious and she put some cream on it and it went away.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 12, 2018 02:22 PM (kfcYC)

229 Look, having nuclear - my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT, good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart - you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world - it's true! - but when you're a conservative Republican they try - oh, do they do a number.

Posted by: Old Man With Onion on His Belt at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (VvjLK)

230 14 What's a Harsanyi? Is that a sandwich? A genital sore? What?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (+CzJu)

Hungarian potato pancakes. Great with sour cream.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (RD7QR)

231 Andy Jackson, well known for his social graces.
Posted by: President Kenyan Exchange Student at June 12, 2018 02:21 PM (37IEG)

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Beat a would be assassin nearly to death with his walking stick.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (8XRCm)

232 Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless

Another oldie but goodie

"It's very rare that I come to an event where I'm like the fifth or sixth most interesting person." Barack Obama

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (Bdeb0)

233 205
As I grew up watching the playboy tabloid billionaire trump, never once
did I think I was looking at one of the greatest presidents.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (wdmm9)

Don Imus used to go to lunch with him every Tuesday back in the day. Gave a Wednesday AM recap of lunch. Had Trump on a lot.
Imus never said he was stupid or foolish. Trump always seemed quite reasonable and well versed in the topics of the day. Struck me as a salesman. A very effective salesman.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (ymnmz)

234 "lady if you put that on your harsanyi, you won't be able to ride your Suzuki for a week!"

Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (37IEG)

235 232
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless

Another oldie but goodie

"It's very rare that I come to an event where I'm like the fifth or sixth most interesting person." Barack Obama

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (Bdeb0)

LOL
"Bring me some interesting Italians"

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 12, 2018 02:24 PM (ymnmz)

236 Could you just say "Trump dittos" and let us take it as read?
Posted by: Parker at June 12, 2018 02:22 PM (MFwf

"Number 17. Now on to my point."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:24 PM (+CzJu)

237 Another oldie but goodie

"It's very rare that I come to an event where I'm like the fifth or sixth most interesting person." Barack Obama
Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (Bdeb0)

----

Dont forget the ubiquitous "I am the one you've been waiting for".

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:25 PM (8XRCm)

238 35 these people are as relevant as folks who prattle on about how Isis is not the true embodiment of issslam
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast

True Islam has never really been tried.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 12, 2018 02:25 PM (kfcYC)

239 A troll just tapped me on the shoulder and said there's something really nasty scuttling around under his bridge...

not sure yet if i want to check it out or not...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:25 PM (AURKQ)

240 Herbert Walker, Dole, McCain, Romney. They all
tried "presidential" and they all lost. I wish the country as a whole
was more dignified but it isn't. Trump won his way, not my way, but also
not the way that lost most of our elections.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (n13/j)

You made a good point with "I wish the country as a whole was more dignified, but it isn't."

That's why all the slamming of Trump on style points pisses me off.
Like when he mispronounces a word or spells something wrong in a tweet.
If we were a nation of scholars who didn't make such mistakes, I could
see the criticism. But we're not. So to single him out is just piling
on----especially since Obama made so many gaffes.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (y8Foj)

I don't watch the MSM but I get the feeling they don't go for the "he is dumb" meme much anymore. Anyone who calls Trump dumb doesn't look so bright. He is a better speaker than most as far as I know.

The gotcha game has become a joke. We get it, everyone has google and twitter, that does not make you smart.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:25 PM (n13/j)

241 237
Another oldie but goodie

"It's very rare that I come to an event where I'm like the fifth or sixth most interesting person." Barack Obama

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (Bdeb0)

----

Dont forget the ubiquitous "I am the one you've been waiting for".

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:25 PM (8XRCm)

"Hey ladies, check out my boner"

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 12, 2018 02:26 PM (ymnmz)

242 166----If we want to talk about being unpresidential, and bullying, then you have to start with Obama: he was fond of not just attacking his political foes, but segments of the American public. He made clear he was *not* president of all of us, just those who voted for him; the rest of us were racists. He bullied Wall Street, bankers, jet owners, gun owners, teabaggers, people who were opposed to open borders and refugees, and on and on.

And then there was the constant scolding. Will never forget how often, after a domestic terror attack, he would straight-up scold us for being racists.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 02:10 PM (W+vEI)
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But he did it with a prissy school-marm demeanor and a well-modulated baritone!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 02:26 PM (0jtPF)

243 "It's very rare that I come to an event where I'm like the fifth or sixth most interesting person." Barack Obama

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (Bdeb0)

Interesting to whom, exactly? To you? Of course. To others, not so much.

Remember the press conference that Bill Clinton took over? I do.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:26 PM (+CzJu)

244 Yep

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (6Ll1u)

245 no, trump's critics are the ones who failed in the past. and I guess they're still living in the past.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 02:17 PM

I had a feeling ...

So it's the never trump neocons who think jdams solve everything, like in Iraq. Nope, don't want to fight that fight. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. I don't want to fight about what we shoulda done. It was done, we did it. Shoulda learned something from it. And still there is an argument about what we shoulda learned.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (roQNm)

246 Trump held Trudeau down and lit a fart in his face singing his eyebrows off. He was so traumatized he had to drink 2 cups of coco to calm down. Serious pussy he is.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (sNYFR)

247 "Don Imus used to go to lunch with him every Tuesday back in the day. Gave a Wednesday AM recap of lunch. Had Trump on a lot.
Imus never said he was stupid or foolish. Trump always seemed quite reasonable and well versed in the topics of the day. Struck me as a salesman. A very effective salesman.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless"

Howard Stern was his buddy as well and Trump even went to Stern's second wedding. Now, "Hollywood Howie" bashes Trump non-stop on his crappy, way past its prime show.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (OD2ni)

248 Hardly a day goes by when city-boy "conservatives" demonstrate, much like their leftest neighbors, their utter contempt for anyone who lives in "fly-over country" (broadly defined as anywhere not within an incorporated city of 1.5M or larger).

They are perfectly happy to screw-over everyone else so they can save maybe $100 on iCrap, completely oblivious to the fact that "fly-over country" provides them with literally everything they require in order to survive (food, water, power for their iCrap, etc.)

Wall them in, blow the bridges/tunnels and let their "smartness" get them through

Posted by: DocJ at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (NYS7S)

249 Trump should make a deal with refining companies.

How much would you lower prices if I cut 27 blends to your choice?

How much would you lower prices if I eliminated the ethanol mandate?

Oh, and I will take note of states that take advantage of lower gas prices by trying to raise taxes.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 02:28 PM (8n0ul)

250 Nuclear is powerful, my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago, he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? - but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners - now it used to be three, now it's four - but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger, fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years...

Posted by: Old Man With Onion on His Belt at June 12, 2018 02:28 PM (VvjLK)

251 Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (sNYFR)
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I picture it more like what he did to Vince McMahon.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 12, 2018 02:28 PM (AzW6q)

252 I don't watch the MSM but I get the feeling they don't go for the "he is dumb" meme much anymore. Anyone who calls Trump dumb doesn't look so bright.

After almost two years of constant winning, anyone that still calls him lucky or dumb, are the ones that look stoopid.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 02:28 PM (5RITs)

253 But he did it with a prissy school-marm demeanor and a well-modulated baritone! Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 02:26 PM (0jtPF)

Exactly. I have a friend who voted for the R's both times. He is a retired professional actor and singer-and a baritone. He said that in addition to being black he thought a big part of Obama getting elected was his mellifluous voice. Many people were taken in by it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:28 PM (0/+vJ)

254

EM CHICKEN & DUMPLINS' FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at June 12, 2018 02:29 PM (mPeei)

255 But he did it with a prissy school-marm demeanor and a well-modulated baritone!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 02:26 PM (0jtPF)
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And the perfectly creased pants! Who can forget the fact that Barky or ValJar had the good sense to take those pants to the right drycleaners.

Posted by: Boots at June 12, 2018 02:29 PM (blfUS)

256 By the way, you need to make sure your child learns to speak Spanish.

Posted by: Undocumented at June 12, 2018 02:29 PM (5NMZN)

257 Seriously, what kind of life must you have if you shout curses at Trump in the shower?

Well I'd be pretty upset if he was in my shower, too

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 12, 2018 02:29 PM (39g3+)

258 He said that in addition to being black he thought a big part of Obama getting elected was his mellifluous voice.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:28 PM (0/+vJ)

Exactly why The Party selected him and groomed him.

That, and because of his malleability.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (+CzJu)

259 257
Seriously, what kind of life must you have if you shout curses at Trump in the shower?

Well I'd be pretty upset if he was in my shower, too

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 12, 2018 02:29 PM (39g3+)

TRUMP USED ALL THE HOT WATER AGAIN.

YEARGGGHHHHHH!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (ymnmz)

260 How much would you lower prices if I cut 27 blends to your choice?

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My gawd that one of my pet peeves. Why the fuck cant we have a federally standardize fuel blend. Curretn refineries make over 80 blends now.

We could do well with SIX. Just Six.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (8XRCm)

261 ::Gives BSG a wedgie::
::Takes BSG's lunch money::

Posted by: Sporkatus at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (HtLSE)

262

"It's very rare that I come to an event where I'm like the fifth or sixth most interesting person." Barack Obama

Yeah, he's usually down around the 80th or 90th most interesting. And dead last in smartz, always.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (HaL55)

263 Trump demonstrates daily how utterly impotent and useless
1) the GOPe and "Professional" Republicans
2) "conservative" "intellectuals"
3) K-street
are to getting shit actually done and that.

He's showing them all up, making them irrelevant. Their regular hissy-fits are they way of acting-out their frustration that they don't matter anymore, to the extent they ever did.

Posted by: DocJ at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (NYS7S)

264
I don't watch the MSM but I get the feeling they don't go for the "he is dumb" meme much anymore. Anyone who calls Trump dumb doesn't look so bright.

Then you'll be surprised to find out they haven't back off one bit on the Trump is stupid meme

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (10vO4)

265 Well I'd be pretty upset if he was in my shower, too
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 12, 2018 02:29 PM (39g3+)

LOL. O.K. I'll rephrase "shout curses at Trump while you are taking a shower-without Trump being there."
However, she was apparently the one who said it the first way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (0/+vJ)

266 Nood Fritz

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (fA1SL)

267 Every time Obama gets a compliment an angel gets its wings torn off.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (+lOpA)

268 Howard Stern was his buddy as well and Trump even went to Stern's second wedding. Now, "Hollywood Howie" bashes Trump non-stop on his crappy, way past its prime show.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (OD2ni)
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Howard Stern still has a show?

Posted by: Boots at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (blfUS)

269 From the last thread.

Hemhorragic strokes are no joke.
Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (rHBg4)

I hear you. This potentiak-AVM appeared to be largely surface centered, so there is a good chance that long-term effects will be minimal.

Doctors are positive about her ahead of expectations progress. So we'll take the good news as it comes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (c5gtg)

270 I think that the next time Stephanie books a room at a hotel, some moron should sneak into it before she arrives and superglue one of those full size cardboard Donalds into the shower wall.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 02:32 PM (1qOto)

271 The first moment it occurred to me that Trump might have some real depth and understanding ---as opposed to just salesman smarts --- was when he chose that Rolling Stones song for his campaign theme.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 02:32 PM (0jtPF)

272 Potential.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 02:32 PM (c5gtg)

273 Trump is like Patton . They want a MacArthur .

That's kind of you. They don't want a MacArthur they want a McClellan.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 02:14 PM (8n0ul)

I was talking about the anti trump conservatives and more about tone and eloquence. OT but it's worth reading or listening to MacArthur's speech to West Point.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 12, 2018 02:32 PM (c6UIl)

274 How does he have time to go around getting into people's showers?

Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 12, 2018 02:32 PM (37IEG)

275 Trump demonstrates daily how utterly impotent and useless
1) the GOPe and "Professional" Republicans
2) "conservative" "intellectuals"
3) K-street
are to getting shit actually done and that.

He's showing them all up, making them irrelevant. Their regular hissy-fits are they way of acting-out their frustration that they don't matter anymore, to the extent they ever did.
Posted by: DocJ at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (NYS7S)

This.

The same thing with the MSM, Hollywood, academia, the G-6, Europe in general, ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:32 PM (+CzJu)

276 "It's very rare that I come to an event where I'm like the fifth or sixth most interesting person." Barack Obama

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:23 PM (Bdeb0)

I suspect he thought he was being modest by not claiming to be the most interesting person any where.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 12, 2018 02:32 PM (rp9xB)

277 261 ::Gives BSG a wedgie::
::Takes BSG's lunch money::
Posted by: Sporkatus at June 12, 2018 02:30 PM (HtLSE)

That can't be BSG. BSG was actual clever sometimes, and had a sort of kind of sense of humor, despite his inability to play nice with others.

He wasn't just a flat out bore. Insufferable, but not a bore.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (AURKQ)

278 258 He said that in addition to being black he thought a big part of Obama getting elected was his mellifluous voice.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Joe Biden

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (Bdeb0)

279 Howard Stern still has a show?
Posted by: Boots at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (blfUS)

Sirius--ly.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (y8Foj)

280 Speaking of language and such reminds me of the warning that appears before some movies:

"Interpol has expressed its concern about movie pirating," or some such.

Ooooh, now we've done it. Interpol has expressed its concern. Do they really think that such a limp dick threat will have the slightest impact whatsoever on anybody?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (+CzJu)

281 I don't watch the MSM but I get the feeling they don't go for the "he is dumb" meme much anymore. Anyone who calls Trump dumb doesn't look so bright.

After almost two years of constant winning, anyone that still calls him lucky or dumb, are the ones that look stoopid.

You're not the intended audience. It's all a show to try and get the LIVs to turn out in November. I haven't watched the Rachel Maddow show in awhile, but I don't have to because it's 42 minutes of Trump-bashing drivel with 18 minutes of Geico, Progressive and Liberty Mutual commercials.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (rdl6o)

282 I really don't think people who are completely self absorbed (which Obama is, and is indicated by his suggestion that at gathering he's now the most interesting person there) are very interesting at all.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:35 PM (0/+vJ)

283
Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:16 PM (n13/j)

Well, I'm not thinking about him everyday unless he's the subject of a post here which I read but I do pray him daily.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (0/+vJ)

Understood. That is a good thing to do. I was referring to people who decide on their daily happiness by who is the president. That is a bad way to go because one might go through life with presidents they don't like, but you still only get one go around and have to do your best. That was what I was trying to say.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:35 PM (n13/j)

284 Ooooh, now we've done it. Interpol has expressed its concern. Do they really think that such a limp dick threat will have the slightest impact whatsoever on anybody?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (+CzJu)

The myth of Interpol comes from the movies. In reality, they don't have agents and all they've ever been is a database of European arrest warrants.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 02:36 PM (4ErVI)

285 "I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Joe Biden
Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (Bdeb0)

Biden was always useful in letting us know what was being said behind the scenes and you know he was just repeating what he'd heard someone else say about Obama....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 02:36 PM (y8Foj)

286 Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:35 PM (n13/j)

Yes; I understood. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 02:37 PM (0/+vJ)

287 Howard Stern was his buddy as well and Trump even went to Stern's second wedding. Now, "Hollywood Howie" bashes Trump non-stop on his crappy, way past its prime show.
Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 02:27 PM (OD2ni)

Stern still has a show? I left NY in 1985; he was over the hill then. My brother still lives there. He gets a laugh that most of the people who talk like Trump have TDS, and denounce him - for being like them. What a world. In part you can blame feminism, once again. It used to be that men only talked like that when no ladies were around. Fathers were forceful in teaching sons that rule. "Never say that word in front of your mother." Of course, ladies are in short supply nowadays, but still.

But I do endorse the Trish Regan love. Certain expressions remind me of Diana Rigg, back in the day.

Posted by: George LeS at June 12, 2018 02:38 PM (59GGI)

288 237
Dont forget the ubiquitous "I am the one you've been waiting for".
Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 02:25 PM (8XRCm)

I thought his actual quote was "We are the ones we've been waiting for", which reads like a brain teaser.

Posted by: rickl at June 12, 2018 02:42 PM (xjiRE)

289 The same people who are dissing Trump for meeting with Kim are the very same people who were kissing Obama's ass when he stated he would offer an open hand to our enemies. Trump has done something no other president has done and while the statement they both signed IS incomplete, it is also a good start. No one (with any common sense) expects a president to negotiate a deal that encompasses all the nuances of an international agreement. That is for the lower ranking officials. If this were anyone but a Republican, they would be saying they were cautiously optimistic that peace may finally be around the corner.

Posted by: Bill R. at June 12, 2018 02:42 PM (IuYIh)

290 "Trump has the propensity to sound like a bully and an authoritarian, I'm with you. If you're arguing that Trump's rhetoric is sometimes coarse and un-presidential, I can't disagree. I'm often turned off by the aesthetic and tonal quality of his presidency. And yes, Trump has an unhealthy tendency to push theories that exaggerate and embellish small truths to galvanize his fans for political gain. Those are all legitimate political concerns."

His rhetoric is coarse and un-presidential? You're turned off by the "aesthetic"? What a cock holster! This guy is just like every other fag in the media and in the swamp that finds it soothing to have his scrotum rub by mink oil while his brown eye is being rotor rooted. Douchebags like this would rather be lied to with "panache" than told the brutal truth. I'm reminded of the aristocracy of Britain. Those twats could exterminate your family with the most impeccable manners!

"I say, Shaka old bean. Apparently, your tribe's land is over some of the richest mineral deposits in the world. Bad luck that! I really feel terrible about this but I've been assigned the duty of slaughtering you and all your people for Queen and Country. I hope you understand that my hands are tied. Circle of life and all that. We won't get started until tomorrow, so would you and the missus like to come by for dinner tonight? Cocktails at 7."

"Weeeelll, sheeit mofo! Dat's mighty White of you!"

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 12, 2018 02:42 PM (9BLnV)

291 Then you'll be surprised to find out they haven't back off one bit on the Trump is stupid meme

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 02:31 PM (10vO4)

It is such worthless noise, how do these people get paid? The closet I get is when watching TBS, mute every Sam Bee commercial, can't stand even a second of it.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 02:43 PM (n13/j)

292 Testing

Posted by: Calm Mentor at June 12, 2018 02:54 PM (I16G8)

293 "I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Joe Biden
Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 02:34 PM (Bdeb0)

Yeah, it was a storybook, all right. Like "Green Eggs and Ham".

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 12, 2018 02:56 PM (9BLnV)

294 Until there's pictures of Trump with his feet on the Resolute desk or an intern under it, his conduct is more presidential than either of the last two Democrat Presidents.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 12, 2018 02:59 PM (kfcYC)

295 122 "I'm often turned off by the aesthetic and tonal quality of his presidency." --Harsanyi

The Republicans drove the car into the ditch and are just drinking their Slurpees.

Take a gun to a knife fight.

You didn't build that.

Republicans are gutting Medicare and Social Security.

(Referring to Trump) At least I will go down as a president.
Posted by: Furious George

And now Barry goes down as an ex-President

Posted by: Reggie at June 12, 2018 03:01 PM (kfcYC)

296 "Those are all legitimate political concerns."

Legitimate political tactics. Fixed.

Posted by: Wit's End at June 12, 2018 03:12 PM (ROYpB)

297 Half of them would slit their wrists if exposed to 15 seconds of a mediocre AtC Rant.

A lot of those people are the ones I think about when I quote Brent-the-Carrotmaster's line about "I hate these people for making me like Trump." Or whatever the exact quote is.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at June 12, 2018 03:15 PM (87ijN)

298 I keep saying it and will continue to keep saying it:

President Trump is restoring the Rule of Law to American Democracy, not destroying it. That's why Bill Maher is full of shit.

Congress can now vote on an Iran Treaty if they wish. Or a Paris Climate Treaty. Or a DACA law. All those were One-Man Diktats. The president scaled back the One-Man land-grab at the Staircase in Utah, which should have been voted on as a Natinal Park.

He is undoing the regulations written by faceless and unaccountable bureaucrats, whether in DC, or at the UN or at the EU or elsewhere. He is bringing back America's wealth to its rightful owners, the American people. He's even trying to keep our elections un-rigged for a change.

All of these are restorations of representative democracy.

For a Hitler, he sure does respect our system of government.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 12, 2018 03:16 PM (Ndje9)

299 (Referring to Trump) At least I will go down as a president.
Posted by: Furious George

And now Barry goes down as an ex-President
Posted by: Reggie at June 12, 2018 03:01 PM (kfcYC)

Now, Reggie. You should know that Barry was going down long before he became an ex-President. Down on, on the down low, etc.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 12, 2018 03:20 PM (9BLnV)

300 ps: I forgot to mention he is also appointing judges who will not legislate, another restoration of democracy.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 12, 2018 03:25 PM (Ndje9)

301 "I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Joe Biden

That's also incredibly racist, or it would be if a Republican had said it.

Posted by: Bill R. at June 12, 2018 03:31 PM (IuYIh)

302 Trump is fundamentally transforming the enemy nation of North Korea. Barry wanted to fundamentally transform the enemy nation of America.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 12, 2018 03:42 PM (Ndje9)

303 It is utter Barbara Streisand that Obama did not come under scrutiny by the left because of his manner of speaking. The fact is the left is rarely critical of leftists holding public office or positions of power. The exception is where leftist factions are dueling and the person is no longer seen as useful to the leftist power structure. If Hillary won, Weinstein would have been safe. Hillary loses and other leftists want to marginalize her, so Weinstein goes. Notice how the Clintons and others are trying to salvage the reprobate known as Al Franken. The leftist believe he has further use down the road.

Posted by: Locke Common at June 12, 2018 03:49 PM (GD/ZV)

304 Meanwhile, in California:

ICE Rips California County For Scrapping Contract To House Detainees, Says Move Could Backfire

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I guess they have too many fourteen year old girls.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 12, 2018 03:50 PM (+y/Ru)

305 it's popular for leftists to say DT sounds "authoritarian." It is based on nothing but their considerable use of "right" to mean"fascist," when right is actually small gov., and the left are the totalitarians.

So I kinda wish that those writing in favor of DT would quit buying into the left's propaganda language -- or else tell me what he has said that sounds "authoritarian"

For that matter, the people who call him "unfit," "mentally unstable," etc. are the ones who are crude and vulgar. Trump's funny, and he never even gets that way unless someone attacks him first -- another detail those berating him never mention.

Their idea of "not crude" is John McCain or Mitt Romney -- taking the left's abuse without saying anything -- and with actually taking the left's part if someone attacks them.

Posted by: my 2 cents at June 12, 2018 08:02 PM (2nfc6)

306 Ooops, one last thing -- notice how these chicken-sh--- writers are soooo afraid of the big, bad leftist MSM calling them names, that they ae always careful to call DT a bunch of unfair, denigrating adjectives before saying "but he's okay"?

Maybe they should get over their fear and stop with that cautionary "but I'm not one of those horrible Deplorables" in their writing.

Posted by: my 2 cents at June 12, 2018 08:04 PM (2nfc6)

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