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EMT 06/03/18

Thinking of starting my own business. Just 3 employees who will also be the main investors.

Any suggestions on going LLC or S corp from the horde?

Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM




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1 Good Morning Morons; today is Sunday, June 3, 2018. On this day in 1781 Jack Jouett began his midnight ride to warn Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia legislature of an impending raid by Banastre Tarleton. The evil man from Mel Gibson's The Patriot.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

2 Good Morning

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 05:52 AM (8ikIW)

3 Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 05:52 AM (aC6Sd)

4 Since moving to CNN Alysan Camerata has gone full leftest retard. Shows how much influence on news the producers have vs the talking heads.


http://tinyurl.com/y9jdoojn

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

5 G'mornin' Horde !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 03, 2018 05:53 AM (GNCPT)

6 Trump says it is time for Mueller's witch hunt to end and he wants to know if Mueller is leaking confidential information to the NYT.


http://tinyurl.com/y8ot9jnj

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

7 He also attacks congressional Democrats who do not want border security and accuses them of blocking progress.


http://tinyurl.com/y84eje53

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

8 Liberal turd says CA should be the model for the rest of the United States where the Democrat Party controls all State offices and the legislature.


http://tinyurl.com/yajnyp9c

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

9 CNN racist communist Don Lemon says good job numbers for blacks mean nothing because they get no respect from Trump. CNN should have his broadcast license revoked as it has become a hostile political organization and not a news service.


http://tinyurl.com/y77j5bnr

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

10 I see StarBucks has their reeducation program out in public, useless race baiting

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 05:53 AM (aC6Sd)

11 CA has enacted a tough new water use law. They had those when I was out there in the 70s too but these are absolutely insane. Each household will now be limited to 55 gal (dropping to 50) per person per day. That means a family of 4 would be limited to about 200 gal per month. That included water for all uses. Most families cannot live with that amount of restriction. But I don't see those idiots limiting the amount of water they dump into the river to take care of the Delta Smelt. And that is tens of thousands of gal per day.


http://tinyurl.com/y8nf8gtw

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:54 AM (mpXpK)

12 Ramirez


http://tinyurl.com/ydbdqboy




And that's it for today. Not much out there today

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:54 AM (mpXpK)

13 Any suggestions on going LLC or S corp from the horde?


Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM


I don't even know what the difference between an LLC and an S corp are.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

14 Deerfield Illinois residents have two weeks to turn in all long firearms. Good luck with that Leftists.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 05:56 AM (aC6Sd)

15 Well, we did S corps under the same circumstances you describe; income pass-through means the corp itself doesn't have to file taxes.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 03, 2018 05:56 AM (GNCPT)

16 I'm up!!!
*yawn*

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 05:56 AM (hMwEB)

17 14
Deerfield Illinois residents have two weeks to turn in all long firearms. Good luck with that Leftists.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 05:56 AM (aC6Sd)

Common sense gun confiscation. Outrageous violation of the second amendment.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

18 Each household will now be limited to 55 gal (dropping to 50) per person per day. That means a family of 4 would be limited to about 200 gal per month.


Per day or month? 55 a day is like 6600 gallons per month

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 05:59 AM (8ikIW)

19 Each household will now be limited to 55 gal (dropping to 50) per person per day. That means a family of 4 would be limited to about 200 gal per month.

55 X 30 (days) X 4 = 6,600 gallons per month

Unless you meant 200 gallons per day.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 05:59 AM (LOgQ4)

20
But it's California so I say give them a water ration from a truck once a week. One five gallon bucket.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 06:01 AM (LOgQ4)

21 Damn, ya'll. Don't you ever sleep? It's Sunday, fer crying out loud. Day of rest and al that.

So good morning. Coffeve is fresh and there's a botle of Bailey's on the counter.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:01 AM (LO5Qy)

22
Morning, Hordians. Up and at 'em.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2018 06:01 AM (LsBY9)

23 200 a month seems to small, 200 a day to much

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 06:02 AM (aC6Sd)

24 Common sense gun confiscation. Outrageous violation of the second amendment.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

I was watching the show Alaska State Troopers. Things I have learned from this show.

#1, Alaska cities look kinda dumpy.
# 2 A lot of the crimes committed are done with a knife. The cops talk about the amount of guns in the state, but everyone they stop seems to be carrying at least 2 knives.

#3 Everyone is either taking, making, or transporting drugs in Alaska

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:03 AM (8ikIW)

25 I just looked up that Deerfield ban. Supposedly it is only for so-called assault weapons and semiautomatic shotguns and pistols. They are being sued by two different gun rights organizations and they will lose.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:04 AM (mpXpK)

26 How is 50 gals. a day add up to 200 gals. a month?

Posted by: Infidel at June 03, 2018 06:04 AM (LBSeG)

27 Krak, that's a question for an accountant.

Although there may be some online questionnaires to help you pick

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 06:04 AM (hMwEB)

28
If you ever tried to sell a home with a septic system and drain field buyers become aghast at the concept that it's designed to handle 'only' 500 gallons of water a day, or 15,000 gallons per month.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 06:06 AM (LOgQ4)

29
"Rationing" = Great opportunity for bribery and jobs for otherwise-unemployable SJW activists.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2018 06:06 AM (LsBY9)

30 From the Cali water link

An 8-minute shower uses about 17 gallons of water, a load of laundry up to 40, and a bathtub can hold 80 to 100 gallons of water.

"She likes to bathe three times a day and she does laundry all day," said Rocka Mitchell from Texas.

Bathing 3 times a day? That's a lot of bathing

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:06 AM (8ikIW)

31 Krak, votermom is right. Depends in your State.

Posted by: Infidel at June 03, 2018 06:06 AM (LBSeG)

32 19
Each household will now be limited to 55 gal (dropping to 50) per
person per day. That means a family of 4 would be limited to about 200
gal per month.



55 X 30 (days) X 4 = 6,600 gallons per month



Unless you meant 200 gallons per day.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 05:59 AM (LOgQ4)

Too early for math.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:07 AM (mpXpK)

33
Legislators, staffers and large donors will get waivers allowing them to use as much as they want. Ordinary citizens with no connections will be screwed. See also: gas rationing during WWII.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2018 06:10 AM (LsBY9)

34 28
If you ever tried to sell a home with a septic system and drain field buyers become aghast at the concept that it's designed to handle 'only' 500 gallons of water a day, or 15,000 gallons per month.

.....

Yes, people really have difficulty conceptualizing how much water that actually is.

I've had septic for years. Had it pumped once in 15 years at the cost of $250. I'll take $1.40 a month for sewer costs!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 06:11 AM (B6+JK)

35 Are we talking about organic water, or non-gmo?

Free range?



Details are important.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 06:12 AM (EyPfd)

36 34 I've had septic for years. Had it pumped once in 15 years at the cost of $250. I'll take $1.40 a month for sewer costs!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 06:11 AM (B6+JK)


I've had my house with a septic tank for 37 years and never had it pumped. But my soil is almost 100% sand.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:13 AM (mpXpK)

37
"Retrofitting homes with water-efficient fixtures could help cut back."

Well, that's just great. That means the rest of us will have to buy them too, since manufacturers aren't going to make separate lines for Californians and Americans.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2018 06:14 AM (LsBY9)

38 $1.40 a month? Holy Moly, where do you live?

Posted by: Infidel at June 03, 2018 06:14 AM (LBSeG)

39 I've had septic for years. Had it pumped once in 15 years at the cost of $250. I'll take $1.40 a month for sewer costs!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 06:11 AM


That's for sure.

I have a well, too. My water cost? A new pump is like a grand and it will last about ten to fifteen years. So something like $8.33 a month for water.

But buyers are terrified. They'd rather spend thousands a year for 'public' water and sewer. A lot of dumb people in this country.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 06:15 AM (LOgQ4)

40 37


"Retrofitting homes with water-efficient fixtures could help cut back."



Well, that's just great. That means the rest of us will have to buy
them too, since manufacturers aren't going to make separate lines for
Californians and Americans.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2018 06:14 AM (LsBY9)

We have had low flow toilets since 1994 and it is now a federal law. Of course it is unconstitutional as hell but as far as I know it has never been challenged.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:17 AM (mpXpK)

41 But buyers are terrified. They'd rather spend thousands a year for 'public' water and sewer. A lot of dumb people in this country.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic

I've got my own well also. I am hooked up to city sewer. that was decided many years ago due to the proximity of the lake and the high water table

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:17 AM (8ikIW)

42 They said there would be no math.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 03, 2018 06:18 AM (xInes)

43 We have had low flow toilets since 1994 and it is now a federal law. Of course it is unconstitutional as hell but as far as I know it has never been challenged.
Posted by: Vic

Weren't some people bringing the good ones in from Canada for a while?

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:18 AM (8ikIW)

44 I'm no accountant, but I do visit Ace frequently and lurk/hang with the horde. LLC or S Corp depends on what you are trying to accomplish financially.

There, a pleasant reminder that the value of the advice you get is directly proportional to what you pay for it.

Posted by: steve walsh at June 03, 2018 06:18 AM (uR9Yf)

45 43
We have had low flow toilets since 1994 and it is now a federal law. Of
course it is unconstitutional as hell but as far as I know it has never
been challenged.

Posted by: Vic



Weren't some people bringing the good ones in from Canada for a while?

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:18 AM (8ikIW)

Yep

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:19 AM (mpXpK)

46 38 $1.40 a month? Holy Moly, where do you live?
Posted by: Infidel

....

I have septic.

I was averaging out my total expenditures on it as a monthly bill.

I'm on well water as well. After the initial costs, I spend about $120 annually on testing and filtration. Pretty cheap!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 06:19 AM (B6+JK)

47 A lot of people around here were also raiding old abandoned farm houses in the country to steal the toilets,.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:20 AM (mpXpK)

48 I did have one installed a few years back that can take care of "things" when you flush without choking.
I think it's an American Standard.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:21 AM (8ikIW)

49 California, the land of sky blue porta potties.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 03, 2018 06:21 AM (wge8o)

50 A friend built a house after that law went into effect. He too the toilets from the old house and installed them in the new. Put the low flow in the old house for sale.

Posted by: Infidel at June 03, 2018 06:22 AM (LBSeG)

51 Most families cannot live with that amount of restriction. But I don't see those idiots limiting the amount of water they dump into the river to take care of the Delta Smelt. And that is tens of thousands of gal per day.

You asshole humans have repressed us for millennia. This is reparations. You deserve to die of thirst at our expense.

Posted by: the Delta Smelt at June 03, 2018 06:22 AM (/qEW2)

52 http://bit.ly/2JjStej
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Thread by @The_War_Economy: "(1) "SPYFALL" (2) There is an origin story for everything. And so, to understand the origins of SpyGate, we must first go back a few years.
====
UBER Long Thread ties all kinds of Nefarious shit by the Obummer Admin

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 03, 2018 06:22 AM (y3aQB)

53 My MIL had two new toilets put in a few years ago and they appear to have solved the low flow toilet problems now. So the new ones flush good.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:24 AM (mpXpK)

54 Low flow toilet complaints? #whitehumanproblems

We usually just throw it at the wall or each other.

Posted by: Dirty Ape at June 03, 2018 06:26 AM (B6+JK)

55 It used to be you could fix the low flow shower heads by either replacing or drilling out the restrictor gasket that was put into them.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:27 AM (8ikIW)

56
If I ever win the lottery,
I want the control of a sole proprietorship without the liability.

How do I incorporate without losing control? When I have to have a board of directors?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 06:28 AM (roQNm)

57 We usually just throw it at the wall or each other.
Posted by: Dirty Ape

Hey, us too!

...EPA...

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:28 AM (8ikIW)

58 what was really stupid about that low flow toilet law was the people who were stuck with them simply flushed their toilets two or three times and it defeated the whole purpose of the law.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:29 AM (mpXpK)

59 what was really stupid about that low flow toilet law was the people who were stuck with them simply flushed their toilets two or three times and it defeated the whole purpose of the law.
Posted by: Vic

Then we need to cut the food ration.

...Gubmint Solution...

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:30 AM (8ikIW)

60 krak, just curious, what kind of business?
sounds exciting

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 06:31 AM (hMwEB)

61 55
It used to be you could fix the low flow shower heads by either
replacing or drilling out the restrictor gasket that was put into them.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:27 AM (8ikIW)

mine has a small restriction orifice in them which I took out the first week I was in the house.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:31 AM (mpXpK)

62 I've had my house with a septic tank for 37 years and never had it pumped. But my soil is almost 100% sand.Posted by: Vic

Must smell yummy.

Posted by: Corona at June 03, 2018 06:31 AM (MceDl)

63 Then we need to cut the food ration.



Nah, just go with a low residue diet.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 06:31 AM (roQNm)

64 56 How do I incorporate without losing control? When I have to have a board of directors?





Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 06:28 AM (roQNm)

A totally private company doesn't have to have a "board of directors".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:32 AM (mpXpK)

65 There was a hilarious King of the Hill episode about low-flow toilets.

Hank fillibustered the council meeting until every council member eventually had to use the bathroom which had a low-flow toilet. Their votes changed one by one until the motion was defeated.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 06:32 AM (B6+JK)

66 So I nip out to check the weather and when I get back you're talking about toilets.

Toilets? Seriously? Jeez, Louise.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:32 AM (LO5Qy)

67 If I ever win the lottery,
I want the control of a sole proprietorship without the liability.

==

LLC, probably, since you don't want a board of directors

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 06:32 AM (hMwEB)

68 "Nah, just go with a low residue diet."


Beer.


The waste flushes easily.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 06:33 AM (EyPfd)

69
You can buy bacteria that love the stuff in your septic tank. They'll clean it right out.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 06:33 AM (roQNm)

70 52 http://bit.ly/2JjStej
=======
Thread by @The_War_Economy: "(1) "SPYFALL" (2) There is an origin story for everything. And so, to understand the origins of SpyGate, we must first go back a few years.
====
UBER Long Thread ties all kinds of Nefarious shit by the Obummer Admin
Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 03, 2018 06:22 AM (y3aQB)

Took forever to load the graphics; I gave up.

Posted by: m at June 03, 2018 06:33 AM (0bRDi)

71 62 Must smell yummy.


Posted by: Corona at June 03, 2018 06:31 AM (MceDl)

The spreader lines are still buried so not an issue.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:34 AM (mpXpK)

72 Common sense gun confiscation. Outrageous violation of the second amendment.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

What's Trump doing about it? He told us he would defend the 2nd Amendment as sacred.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 06:35 AM (H8QX8)

73 69


You can buy bacteria that love the stuff in your septic tank. They'll clean it right out.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 06:33 AM (roQNm)

Flushing old baking yeast down the toilet instead of throwing it out works just as good.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:36 AM (mpXpK)

74 8 Liberal turd says CA should be the model for the rest of the United States where the Democrat Party controls all State offices and the legislature.
___________________

CA also has over a trillion in debt, and is full of illegal aliens who get Medicaid and other types of welfare at the expense of taxpayers in other states.

The other states can't afford CA-style insanity. Hell, CA can't even afford it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 03, 2018 06:37 AM (fqUgw)

75 Septic tanks near a beach and sulfer wells smell like egg salad.

Posted by: Corona at June 03, 2018 06:37 AM (MceDl)

76 As Maryland prepares for our Mid-term primary, the idiots on TV become more and more entertaining.

Dem running for County Exec promises free Community College for all, as well as healthcare and some such other shit.

No mention of how to pay for it.


Dem running for Governor promises medicare for all, and putting a stop to police shooting innocent black folk

As well as ending mass incarceration.


I wasn't aware that any of the record setting number of murders had been traced back to Police on a wilding spree.
But, I guess it's a thing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 06:39 AM (EyPfd)

77 I guess I kinda killed the thread.

Posted by: Corona at June 03, 2018 06:39 AM (MceDl)

78 74 CA also has over a trillion in debt, and is full of
illegal aliens who get Medicaid and other types of welfare at the
expense of taxpayers in other states.



The other states can't afford CA-style insanity. Hell, CA can't even afford it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 03, 2018 06:37 AM (fqUgw)

Illegal aliens are not supposed to be eligible for medicaid and food stamps.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:41 AM (mpXpK)

79 Nobody's up yet, Corona. krak got an early start with this one. Normally the few of us awake are scratching our butts on the ONT.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:43 AM (LO5Qy)

80 I ate breakfast at 4 am and i am hungry again now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:43 AM (mpXpK)

81 You should get septic tanks pumped out every few years, got a mailed note I had my tank pumped in 2016 but eh, could go another year, its only 2 people here

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 06:43 AM (aC6Sd)

82 Hay, Vic. Missed you for a while there.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:43 AM (LO5Qy)

83
Dogs taken care of, showered, shaved, dressed, Her Majesty's coffee made, off for an hour's drive for 7:00 Rosary and 7:30 Mass. Later, Hordians.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2018 06:44 AM (LsBY9)

84 #15: Not entirely true, the S-Corp still has to file an 1120-S as part of the schedule K-1 for each shareholder. The S-Corp doesn't *pay* corporate taxes, the money is passed to the shareholders and the individual shareholders pay taxes based on their specific incomes.

Posted by: Geoff Shotts at June 03, 2018 06:45 AM (IGTd9)

85 We'll great. I do an update on my Mac laptop. They say it'll take twelve minutes to download and then a restart. No problem, I thinks. On restart, it's a frikkin half hour to install. No, you may NOT have access to the computer while it's doing that! Did we forget to tell you?
Tough

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:46 AM (8ikIW)

86 The water restriction law is as insane a piece of legislation that typically gets vomitted forth from California's goofball legislators.

You can easily go through 200 gallons in a couple of days.

A couple of large loads of laundry and showers for a small family, and boom 200 gallons is used in a flash.

It's California so if you go over do you pay a heavy fine or are you arrested and sent to prison?

Posted by: Kreplach at June 03, 2018 06:46 AM (UfMVm)

87 82
Hay, Vic. Missed you for a while there.


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:43 AM (LO5Qy)

I have been back from Charleston for a year now so shouldn't have. I am going back there next week though due to wifey having an operation and she refuses to use a local hospital here or even in Florence. And I HATE Charleston and the trip down there blows chunks because I-95 is in bad shape and is overloaded..

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:47 AM (mpXpK)

88 Skip, how do you know when to pump the septic tank? I suddenly find myself in possession of one with not a clue how they work.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:48 AM (LO5Qy)

89 Illegal aliens are not supposed to be eligible for medicaid and food stamps.
________________________

They're not, which is why California passed a state law a few years back that makes it illegal for state employees to ask an applicant for Medicaid/welfare about their immigration status.

J.J. linked an article here a month or so ago about how the feds did some audit and found hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens on CA's Medicaid rolls, at a cost to the feds of billions of dollars every year. CA gives illegals all sorts of federal benefits, which are financed by taxpayers in all states, that they are not legally entitled to receive.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 03, 2018 06:48 AM (fqUgw)

90 The township did put public sewer through here last year but can't see the expense. Would have to trench from back of house around side to front. At least 200 feet with 2 x 90 degree turns. I had problems a few years ago and put new pipes from house to tank, replaced 4 inch with 6, put new vent and clean out.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 06:48 AM (aC6Sd)

91 86 It's California so if you go over do you pay a heavy fine or are you arrested and sent to prison?

Posted by: Kreplach at June 03, 2018 06:46 AM (UfMVm)

When I lived out there it was a heavy fine for the first offense and any thereafter it was a heavier fine plus they put a small orifice in your water supply line that restricted flow to a trickle.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:49 AM (mpXpK)

92 Vic, I was referring to a week or so ago. You were gone for a couple of days. It doesn't take long for your absence to be felt here.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:51 AM (LO5Qy)

93 88
Skip, how do you know when to pump the septic tank? I suddenly find myself in possession of one with not a clue how they work.


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:48 AM (LO5Qy)

The house drains start backing up.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:51 AM (mpXpK)

94 89 J.J. linked an article here a month or so ago about
how the feds did some audit and found hundreds of thousands of illegal
aliens on CA's Medicaid rolls, at a cost to the feds of billions of
dollars every year. CA gives illegals all sorts of federal benefits,
which are financed by taxpayers in all states, that they are not legally
entitled to receive.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 03, 2018 06:48 AM (fqUgw)

Maybe Trump will put a stop to that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:52 AM (mpXpK)

95 The house drains start backing up.
Posted by: Vic

You need waders in the back yard

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:52 AM (8ikIW)

96 92
Vic, I was referring to a week or so ago. You were gone for a couple of
days. It doesn't take long for your absence to be felt here.


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:51 AM (LO5Qy)

I was probably on a rocking chair binge.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:53 AM (mpXpK)

97 Re corporate structure: depends on what you all are doing and how much money is involved. I often advise just a simple partnership, putting off incorporating until business gets closer to actually happening--say at first contract. Consider loaning most of the the money to the company, then no taxes on income until you get your money back (a little more complicated than that). Also, "Smith Company" can be sole proprietorship, partnership, or corporation. So no need to rename after incorporating.

Usually a good CPA is cheaper and more valuable for advice than an attorney. No substitute for knowledgeable professional advice, but many professionals are more stupid and timid than you might want.

Posted by: Kevin C at June 03, 2018 06:53 AM (Mzwlm)

98 Dogs taken care of, showered, shaved, dressed,

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 03, 2018 06:44 AM (LsBY9)


You shave and dress your dogs? I like dogs; I would never do that to a dog.

Posted by: RickZ at June 03, 2018 06:53 AM (HFwOy)

99 When to pump is the question, I ha0ve been here since 1993 and had it pumped out when started, then was having trouble in 2015 thats when I dug it up and replaced pipes. Not sure if any time between. If it doesn't break down in tank it can become solid and clog up the tank. There is powder bacteria to put into the tank to help break down solids.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 06:53 AM (aC6Sd)

100 "The house drains start backing up." Vic

Well, shit.

Pun totalling unintended.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 06:54 AM (LO5Qy)

101 I volunteer to smack Gowdy n the back of the head to wake not woke him up.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 06:54 AM (aC6Sd)

102 Those people with swimming pools in commiefornia are going to have a lot of fun keeping their pools full of water.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at June 03, 2018 06:55 AM (FIrEF)

103 California will issue all residents two each canteens and one each entrenching tool with field sanitation manual.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 03, 2018 06:55 AM (xzqr4)

104 The house drains start backing up.



My kitchen drain tends to run slow. I've just assumed it was all the cooking oil, grease, and stuff I dump down the sink.

Hair balls in the shower drain.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 06:55 AM (roQNm)

105
My township 'requires' septic tank pump out every five years. I don't think many people do it that often though. That recommendation/requirement is probably based on eight family members or something out of the normal range.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 06:56 AM (LOgQ4)

106 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 03, 2018 06:56 AM (KCxzN)

107 S Corp is way to go. LLC is S Corp Lite IMO.

Keep corporate records of all meetings, resolutions etc. even if you go LLC. If an attorney informs you that record keeping is not necessary for an LLC find a new attorney.

FWIW Hunting friends who are attorney's agree with me on this.
I have formed 3 S Corps. without aid of an attorney, it's quite easy.

Posted by: Screw Em at June 03, 2018 06:57 AM (A3CJg)

108 Yesterday in several big cities there was a march for tough new gun laws, anyone here see it? I went to a casino and tried to beat the system, (good luck on that)

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) A sea of orange clad protesters marched across the Golden Gate Bridge Saturday, demanding that legislators pass tougher gun control laws.

Posted by: Colin at June 03, 2018 06:57 AM (C1eC3)

109 I had house drains backing up and that was the tell, turned out it was pipe a break not a tank problem but didn't know that so had it pumped a few times within a couple of weeks until I dug up pipe and replaced it. A rain water deluge can temporarily fill a tank but should drain out in short time if rain stops.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 06:59 AM (aC6Sd)

110 104 My kitchen drain tends to run slow. I've just assumed it was all the cooking oil, grease, and stuff I dump down the sink.



Hair balls in the shower drain.





Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 06:55 AM (roQNm)

If only one drain backs up it's not the septic tank of the main drain line. I have a lot of problems with my kitchen sink too and here's the rub. If you are on a septic tank you can not use Draino or other highly caustic stuff to clean it out. I pour a pot full of boiling water down the kitchen sink drains periodically and that seem to keep it clear.

And BTW you should never pour cooking oil down the sink. I pour old cooking oil into old coffee cans and throw them in the trash.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:59 AM (mpXpK)

111 200 gals a day for a family of 4 for indoor use is plenty.

20 years ago, we were a family of 5 and our consumption was about 250 gallons per day. Bastards were wasting 10 times that on luscious landscaping.

Posted by: JAS at June 03, 2018 06:59 AM (3HNOQ)

112 totalling = totally

Kitchen sink and master bath tub are slow. Guess it's time to try that powderfirst. I don't relish another big bill after the termite treatment last week.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:00 AM (LO5Qy)

113 Skip, how do you know when to pump the septic tank? I suddenly find myself in possession of one with not a clue how they work.

.....

You can routinely have them pumped on a schedule, which I'm sure is recommended by pumping companies and others.

Or, you can go with the "when things go wrong" schedule (drains back up, yard around tank starts getting soft), which has been my method.

Of course mine has to be dug up to be pumped, so I try to avoid it at all costs.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:02 AM (B6+JK)

114 My township requires a lot of things, but the majority of citizens ignore that...Not like in a city where you have neighbors or city inspectors driving around. A friend who lives in the city got fined for modifying his deck by putting on a new railing, hardly a big deal.

Posted by: Colin at June 03, 2018 07:02 AM (C1eC3)

115 F&F had video of a off duty FBI guy break dancing and his hand gun flys out, it went off when he picked it up and hit another guy in the leg.
I guess the Personnel Department is going to get another member.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:04 AM (aC6Sd)

116 No Drano, huh? I can see this is going to be trickier than I thought.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:04 AM (LO5Qy)

117 114
My township requires a lot of things, but the majority of citizens
ignore that...Not like in a city where you have neighbors or city
inspectors driving around. A friend who lives in the city got fined for
modifying his deck by putting on a new railing, hardly a big deal.


Posted by: Colin at June 03, 2018 07:02 AM (C1eC3)


Let me guess, they required some kind of "permit" to do ANY modification. That is basically just another tax.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 07:04 AM (mpXpK)

118 We had a below ground septic tank in an area where the water table was very high. (Lakeside lot.)

We always had problems with the tank when water levels were very high.

Eventually, the township required above ground drain fields (mounds) and a sump pump in the below ground tank. The sump pump introduced more maintenance, cost, and problems into a relatively simple system.

Septic systems in clay don't work well, or require more extensive drainage systems.

Usually when the township installs a sewer line, hook up is mandated. Everyone has to be on it to spread the expense.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 07:04 AM (roQNm)

119
Sometimes slow drains are simply because of distance from vent pipe. Like dumping gas from these new gas cans that don't have a way for the air to get into them, so they drain sssslllloooowwwllllyyy and chug away the whole time.

You're never going to fix the slow drain issue without spending big bucks.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 07:04 AM (LOgQ4)

120 So, the water district is going to keep records on family size / the number to people living in a house?

Posted by: JAS at June 03, 2018 07:05 AM (3HNOQ)

121 slow or clogged pipes - get something called Drain King - you attach it to a hose, push it down the drain, and it pulses out the water.

I think Ace Hardware or Amazon has it -don't get the knockoff at HomeDepot or Lowes

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:05 AM (hMwEB)

122 creeper, the septic tank treatment is called Rid X and its just an easy pour powder.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 03, 2018 07:06 AM (wge8o)

123 Also, for the protection of a corporation or LLC, it's important to do everything properly, otherwise the liability protection can disappear. Liability insurance on top might also be wise--sometimes can reassure clients.

Posted by: Kevin C at June 03, 2018 07:06 AM (Mzwlm)

124 Dr. Steve Pitt was murdered outside his Scottsdale office last week. I worked with him on about half a dozen cases. He was a really nice guy. I hope they fry the SOB who killed him.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 03, 2018 07:06 AM (fqUgw)

125 Kitchen sink and master bath tub are slow. Guess it's time to try that powderfirst. I don't relish another big bill after the termite treatment last week.
Posted by: creeper

Try one of those flexible drain cleaner brushes. Sometimes it just some hairs, dirt whatever that are doing it.
Also do the Vic boiling water thingy too. Not sure about if it's septic friendly, but put in a cup of white vinegar firs. Let it sit for a half hour or so, then the boiling water.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:06 AM (8ikIW)

126 (heads for kitchen and 13 gallon stock pot)

This sounds easy.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:06 AM (LO5Qy)

127 116
No Drano, huh? I can see this is going to be trickier than I thought.


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:04 AM (LO5Qy)

As I said, pour boiling water down the drain periodically. You may have to get a "roto-rooter" and and ream out the line if the grease has hardened up.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 07:07 AM (mpXpK)

128 New gas cans.

I bought one of those about two weeks ago and had to Youtube how to use it. What a stupid f*cking design.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:08 AM (B6+JK)

129 I had 1 clean out, but there is a chamber connected to the tank that could but didn't have a cleanout so when I dug it up put one in for that mini tank.
Makes no sence it has to be dug up, if there is a hole in the top of the tank it just needs a stub to come up to ground level. I can drive my tractor over the 2 stubs and will not him them.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:08 AM (aC6Sd)

130 We need a fatberg thread.

Posted by: Corona at June 03, 2018 07:09 AM (MceDl)

131 My pump bill I thought was reasonable, maybe $125, would call around to see.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:10 AM (aC6Sd)

132 California is on the right track.

Next up they will ration air. 2 breaths per minute so a family of four can breath 8 times per minute, tops.

Till they ban the use of air.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 03, 2018 07:12 AM (EoRCO)

133 Someone start a rumor that the Freds will be analyzing home water consumption in order to spot, and then target over-occupied homes for illegal aliens.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 07:12 AM (EyPfd)

134 I was taking buckets of hot water and dumping them down the roof vent. Figure a 15 foot drop and more direct hit than sink with a S trap.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:12 AM (aC6Sd)

135 Rid-X. Got it. Thanks, Ben.

'K, Vic. Water's on to boil and vinegar is in the kitchen drain. Assume I do not use the disposal side.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:13 AM (LO5Qy)

136 "120 So, the water district is going to keep records on family size / the number to people living in a house?

Posted by: JAS at June 03, 2018 07:05 AM (3HNOQ)"


They can just query the household Alexa, or other schmart device; after all, this is California in the 21st century.

Airstrip One with its crappy telescreen technology is a joke compared to the surveillance that the Internet of Things can provide !
Progress !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 03, 2018 07:13 AM (GNCPT)

137 Drain king website
I think Walmart might sell it too

https://gtwaterproducts.com/index.php/drain-king/

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:15 AM (hMwEB)

138 135 'K, Vic. Water's on to boil and vinegar is in the kitchen drain. Assume I do not use the disposal side.


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:13 AM (LO5Qy)

You have a garbage disposal unit on your kitchen sink and you are on a septic tank???? I have always heard you should not put one of those on your sink if you are on a septic tank. That may be what your problem is there.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 07:15 AM (mpXpK)

139 One of the things we found out when we had an addition put on the house. For years we would get a backup in the basement floor drain. We would call and have the line rodded and some tree roots would come back on the end of the cutter, so we figured Tree Roots.
When the addition was put on, they were hooking up the plumbing for the new bathroom and laundry room and discovered that years ago, before we bought, someone had hooked up the kitchen drain to the vent pipe for the floor drain. being much smaller it didn't take more then a few years to plug up and....the floor drain would back up.
Easy fix for the plumbers, and knock on wood, no problems so far

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:16 AM (8ikIW)

140 One of the things I'm always watching for at garage sales is old-school galvanized steel gas cans with a vent and an uncomplicated nozzle.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 03, 2018 07:17 AM (GNCPT)

141 Adding Drain King to clog-busting arsenal. Thank you, votermom. Advice from other ladies is especially treasured.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:18 AM (LO5Qy)

142 Garbage disposal on a septic tank should be a no no but if used very sparingly. If you are having trouble stop using it.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:19 AM (aC6Sd)

143 Weren't some people bringing the good ones in from Canada for a while?

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 06:18 AM (8ikIW)

Still can get high flow toilets there as far as I know.

Posted by: clutch at June 03, 2018 07:19 AM (kiSdp)

144 Draino, etc are not really effective anyway. Chemistry is a poor solution to a physics problem.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:20 AM (hMwEB)

145 "You have a garbage disposal unit on your kitchen sink and you are on a septic tank????"


We have a septic tank and garbage disposal. I've had it pumped out once in 17 years, about 8 years ago. At that time I had the septic company put a riser in so next time all they have to do is stick the hose down there without digging up the yard.

The riser also has a port where an RV can hookup to dump. That's very handy if you have an RV or people who come to visit in one, like my parents.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 07:20 AM (UdKB7)

146 I did buy a motorised snake, it hasn't been used since my problems.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:21 AM (aC6Sd)

147 Skip, I am a 73-year-old female. I'll be pushing the envelope climbing on a chair to pour this boiling water down the drain.

Climb up on the roof? Probably not.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:23 AM (LO5Qy)

148 All I can suggest about incorporating is a cautionary quote from Woody Allen:

"I formed a corporation this year, and I'm the president, my mother is vice president, my father is secretary
and my grandmother is treasurer, my uncle is on the board of directors, and they got together the first week,
and they tried to squeeze me out. I formed a power block with my uncle and we sent my grandmother to jail."

Posted by: edarden at June 03, 2018 07:25 AM (22vUX)

149 A quick internet search hit this on garbage disposals and septic tanks. It says don't do it.


http://tinyurl.com/y74t4b2a

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 07:25 AM (mpXpK)

150 Bernie wants to empty the jails because of racial disparity.
Should at least wait until all weapons are grabbed so released criminals won't get shot.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:26 AM (aC6Sd)

151 California's chocolate rations have also gone up.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 03, 2018 07:26 AM (rnAwa)

152 So it's raining, 68 degrees and dropping, with 18 mph winds, gusting to almost thirty.

Some pretty weird June weather, so far.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 07:26 AM (EyPfd)

153 Vic, I hardly ever use the disposal. Something told me it wasn't a good idea. Organic waste gets composted. Grease goes in the garbage for the most part and any that goes down the drain is mixed with deterg.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:27 AM (LO5Qy)

154 CA gives illegals all sorts of federal benefits, which are financed by taxpayers in all states, that they are not legally entitled to receive.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 03, 2018 06:48 AM (fqUgw)

And how do I as a non-Californian get that stopped?

Posted by: clutch at June 03, 2018 07:27 AM (kiSdp)

155 Fatberg was the worst Bond villain.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 03, 2018 07:27 AM (rnAwa)

156
Bathing 3 times a day? That's a lot of bathing


Oh, to be 13 again.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 03, 2018 07:28 AM (oVJmc)

157 Skip, I am a 73-year-old female. I'll be pushing the envelope climbing on a chair to pour this boiling water down the drain.


Climb on a chair? How high is the drain?

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:29 AM (8ikIW)

158 Vinegar down the sink is a good idea. I should do it more often.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:29 AM (hMwEB)

159 "A quick internet search hit this on garbage disposals and septic tanks. It says don't do it."

That may be but you would have to convince Mrs f'd about that and I'd rather not try. I choose my battles carefully, planning often takes decades.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 07:30 AM (UdKB7)

160 For several years now I have been using white vinegar as the toilet bowl cleaner. I just pour in about a cup at night and a quick brush in the morning and sparkly clean. I do the same with my bathroom sink and being that the sink is copper it saves a lot of scrubbing.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 03, 2018 07:30 AM (wge8o)

161 LLCs provide more flexibility in virtually any area one would wish to have it than do S corps.

They cost more to establish.

Its worth discussing with an attorney, even if in the end, you decide to use a service like legal zoom to file your stuff

Posted by: tdatsd at June 03, 2018 07:30 AM (Yjedk)

162 Bruce, it's standard height but I think if I pour the boiling water from up high the extra force should help.

Yes? No?

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:31 AM (LO5Qy)

163 Best flavor of oatmeal? Go.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 03, 2018 07:32 AM (TL2pK)

164 tdatsd, LLCs costs more to establish than S-Corps?
I thought it was the opposite...

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:32 AM (hMwEB)

165 Yes? No?
Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:31 AM (LO5Qy)

I vote no, you are just letting the water aircool on the way down to sink.

Also, best flavor of oatmeal is none. I choose bacon.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:34 AM (hMwEB)

166 High is only a help but issue is its going through a trap under sink so that will slow it no matter what else.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:34 AM (aC6Sd)

167 Bruce, it's standard height but I think if I pour the boiling water from up high the extra force should help.

Yes? No?
Posted by: creeper
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No. Just pour it down. Don't go standing on a chair with a pot of boiling water.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 03, 2018 07:34 AM (FJXGr)

168 Water's boiling. I'm goin' in. Geronimo!

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:34 AM (LO5Qy)

169 As far as Corps go, find a good CPA and establish a long term relationship. I have a Sole Proprietorship now, but also have no partners. I got rid of partners and the corporation years ago.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 07:34 AM (UdKB7)

170 Bruce, it's standard height but I think if I pour the boiling water from up high the extra force should help.

Yes? No?
Posted by: creeper

No. Just pour the water down the drain. Otherwise you could have splashy hot water on you

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:36 AM (8ikIW)

171 I got rid of partners and the corporation years ago.
Posted by: f'd

Do you still have the shovel?

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:36 AM (8ikIW)

172 One of the things I'm always watching for at garage sales is old-school galvanized steel gas cans with a vent and an uncomplicated nozzle.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 03, 2018 07:17 AM (GNCPT)

I lost a bidding war at an auction for two such cans, and I regret quitting to this very day!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 07:37 AM (n9EOP)

173 "Best flavor of oatmeal?"

Liver with onions

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 07:37 AM (UdKB7)

174 128 New gas cans.

I bought one of those about two weeks ago and had to Youtube how to use it. What a stupid f*cking design.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:08 AM (B6+JK)

That is another thing I bought in Canada. Old fashioned plastic jerry can style with normal pour spouts. Can take advantage of Kroger fuel points with those.

Posted by: clutch at June 03, 2018 07:38 AM (kiSdp)

175 "Do you still have the shovel?"

Remember that riser I had added to the septic tank?

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 07:38 AM (UdKB7)

176 Cards Against Humanity, a party game for horrible people.
It's profane, and hilarious. Sort of like the Deadpool of party games. Trust me on this.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 03, 2018 07:39 AM (myjNJ)

177 California is one recession away from total collapse. And it wouldn't have to be a nationwide recession, either.

Has the non-deductability of state taxes kicked in yet? That will put a serious crimp in their lifestyle.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 03, 2018 07:39 AM (oVJmc)

178 "Remember that riser I had added to the septic tank?"

Open the tank bay doors HAL...

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 07:40 AM (EyPfd)

179 Vinegar is a good all around cleaner.

Drains, windows, toilet bowls. I put a cup in my dishwasher about every 3rd or 4th cycle and it descales it and leaves my stuff spot free.

Shoot, you can even drink a capful or two and it will clean your bowels out.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:40 AM (B6+JK)

180 "Shoot, you can even drink a capful or two and it will clean your bowels out."

Mix it in your oatmeal. Yum!

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 07:41 AM (UdKB7)

181 I am wondering is creeper sure its tank problem or piping to exterior, or piping from exterior to tank.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:41 AM (aC6Sd)

182 tdatsd, LLCs costs more to establish than S-Corps?
I thought it was the opposite...

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:32 AM (hMwEB)


I think I paid a couple of hundred to an attorney to straighten out the paperwork (after Mrs H passed) for my LLC and now pay $50/year for the State Corporation License. The laughable profits appear as personal income, but I keep records so when I eventually sell out I can deduct expenses!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 07:42 AM (n9EOP)

183 As far as Corps go, find a good CPA.

-------

Uh...uh...are Corpsmen also CPA's?

Posted by: Barky at June 03, 2018 07:43 AM (ZpfqO)

184 I don't eat as much so my stools are small enough to flush. Don't thank me, I'm a giver!1!!1

Posted by: The Honorable Justin Trudeau at June 03, 2018 07:43 AM (Jj+59)

185 'Uh...uh...are Corpsmen also CPA's?'

Sure Barky. Btw have you ever seen my septic tank riser? It's really keen.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 07:44 AM (UdKB7)

186 Good point, if in 2020 Leftifornia gets Kameltoe elected President it will sink them faster than the Titanic, the Trump economy is the only thing keeping the afloat.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:44 AM (aC6Sd)

187 Liver with onions
Posted by: f'd
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Asparagus.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 03, 2018 07:45 AM (ZpfqO)

188 LLCs for all. Let your partners cover their own asses.

Posted by: The Charlie Daniels of the Torque Wrench at June 03, 2018 07:45 AM (Jj+59)

189 Ask a simple question, the place turns into a dang sewer...

Have been both LLC and S-corp (before LLC was implemented). Obligatory IANAL disclamer: nowadays LLC offers benefits of S-corp with fewer complications. Investors are treated as "owner/partners" and operations are as in partnership, but corporate veil protections and immunity from dissolution on exit of a partner are present in LLC as in S-corp. Tax filing is similar in both but company registration and secy' of state interactions is simplified (no required stockholders meetings, for example). I recommend LLC.

Septics eat poo, not paper. Learn to minimize non-poo solids. Get a bidet toilet seat. Throw non-brown paper waste in the trash, not the bowl. Eschew bleach and lye. Biologic additives are a waste of money (see what I did there?) unless you are correcting for abuse like overuse of garbage disposal/laundry products.

Posted by: Jimmy don\'t play that at June 03, 2018 07:46 AM (cOH8P)

190
Drains, windows, toilet bowls. I put a cup in my dishwasher about every 3rd or 4th cycle and it descales it and leaves my stuff spot free.

Shoot, you can even drink a capful or two and it will clean your bowels out.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

While we all wait for creeper to return with an update, let's discuss exactly what BC means by "my stuff" in the above sentence

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:46 AM (8ikIW)

191 "Any suggestions on going LLC or S corp from the horde?"
Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM


It takes a lot of information to decide if an "S" Corp or LLC is better for your particular circumstance.

What kind of liability are you looking at? Wholesale or retail? Will the customers be paying sales tax to you? Are you dealing in cash or mostly checks and credit cards? How much are you planning to steal? Are your partners going to be around in two or three years? Are you going to be the majority member or stockholder (51% control)?

Lots of things to look at. However, figure out that last point first. You either have control or you don't have shit.

Posted by: Jwest at June 03, 2018 07:46 AM (/roJx)

192 Sure Barky. Btw have you ever seen my septic tank riser? It's really keen.
Posted by: f'd
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That's like a Squatty Potty, right? I've seen those on TV, they look pretty neat. If I were still Pres, I'd give them a subsidy.

Posted by: Barky at June 03, 2018 07:47 AM (ZpfqO)

193 My ultimate hope is to get so wealthy that I can eschew the use of both sewer and septic, and instead opt for scantily clad maidens to empty my chamber pot in my liberal neighbors' back yard.

I know it costs more, but sometimes you spring for life's luxuries.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:47 AM (B6+JK)

194 My ultimate hope is to get so wealthy that I can eschew the use of both sewer and septic, and instead opt for scantily clad maidens to empty my chamber pot in my liberal neighbors' back yard.

I know it costs more, but sometimes you spring for life's luxuries.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

You could hire Shillary to do it. It looks like he already has a yoke on her shoulders.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:49 AM (8ikIW)

195 Saw a commercial for a toilet ring thing insert you put in your toilet so the dog and cat can get a drink.

Sucker born every minute.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 03, 2018 07:49 AM (EoRCO)

196 I see thousands of commie homos in NYC marched to take away our gun rights. They turned the Empire State Building orange in support. NY values.

Posted by: Mr. Green Jeans - Farmer Extraordinaire at June 03, 2018 07:49 AM (r9UYA)

197 You could hire Shillary to do it. It looks like he already has a yoke on her shoulders.

...SHE already....

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:49 AM (8ikIW)

198 Krakatoa-

The distinction is, for tax purposes, between C and S (pass-through) entities, including LLCs.

The question came up for a business I am involved in recently-here is a response from our accountants:

https://tinyurl.com/y8tabrkq

Posted by: Miklos, tax efficient at June 03, 2018 07:50 AM (zCyNd)

199 an LLC is the right way to go. It can invest in more things, and have C corp investors. An S Corp has some limitations on what you can do within it, and you cannot have C Corp investors.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 03, 2018 07:50 AM (rBnYq)

200 There is no LLC taxation category and you and your investors will, generally, be seen as a partnership by the IRS. l think that you can opt to be taxed as an S corp., even while being an LLC, but you really need to speak to an accountant/lawyer to find out if your structure and the way that you intend to pay yourselves allow you that flexibility.

Posted by: goon at June 03, 2018 07:50 AM (PEcU2)

201 Skip, I'm not sure where yhe problems lie.

Report on boiling water: Poured a gallon or so down the drain to lighten the pot before climbing on the chair. Alas, Bruce's warning about splashy boiling water came too late but they're just little scalded spots.

It drained okay but without the swirly suckage I was hoping for. Filled both sinks w/hot water, pulled the plugs and ran the disposal for a second or two while they drained. Water goes lazily around and exits at a leisurely pace. But it does drain.

Ans I suspect votermom is right about hair in the tub.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:51 AM (LO5Qy)

202 I come back from fixing second breakfast and see creeper wants to stand on a chair to pour boiling water down the drain.


DON'T DO IT! Unsafe on two different counts which usually adds up to major accident. AND it will not do any good anyway.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 07:52 AM (mpXpK)

203 ( looks time...........toe tapping nervously................looks at time.......)

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:53 AM (aC6Sd)

204 Too late I guess.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 07:53 AM (mpXpK)

205 If you are ever considering raising angel or venture capital, you might start with an S Corp now - much easier to convert to C later if necessary.

If not raising money, the one big advantage is the flexibility you have in writing the operating agreement with an LLC. You can really get pretty specific about what is expected from all/each individual owner-manager, and the consequences of failing to meet responsibilities.

Posted by: motionviewer at June 03, 2018 07:53 AM (pYQR/)

206
DON'T DO IT! Unsafe on two different counts which usually adds up to major accident. AND it will not do any good anyway.
Posted by: Vic

As usual, the safety officer shows up too late.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:53 AM (8ikIW)

207 Next step is to try a wire coat hanger to fish out hair. If in tub should have a screw to remove to take off the drain screen.
My bathroom sink is poorly designed and need to take it apart often to clean it out.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:56 AM (aC6Sd)

208 what was really stupid about that low flow toilet law was the people who were stuck with them simply flushed their toilets two or three times and it defeated the whole purpose of the law.


Reminds me of the school that installed waterless urinals only to have the urine eat through the pipes and destroy the bathroom.

Posted by: no good deed at June 03, 2018 07:56 AM (eIQHF)

209 Saw a commercial for a toilet ring thing insert you put in your toilet so the dog and cat can get a drink.

Sucker born every minute.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
-------------

*?*

Who needs that?
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7n6plb6

Posted by: Mike Hammer's Cat at June 03, 2018 07:56 AM (FJXGr)

210 84 The S-Corp doesn't *pay* corporate taxes, the money is passed to the
shareholders and the individual shareholders pay taxes based on their
specific incomes.============================
true, for most forms of tax and all income taxes, but S Corps still pay a wide variety of corporate taxes (franchise taxes being one example).

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 03, 2018 07:56 AM (rBnYq)

211 As usual, the safety officer shows up too late.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:53 AM

.....

What does he know anyway?

He'd probably tell you mixing bleach and ammonia together to make an effective floor cleaner is a bad idea, too.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:57 AM (B6+JK)

212 creepers second biggest problem ?
I don't live next door

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:57 AM (aC6Sd)

213 Report on boiling water: Poured a gallon or so down the drain to lighten the pot before climbing on the chair. Alas, Bruce's warning about splashy boiling water came too late but they're just little scalded spots.


Crap. Sorry about that. It might take more then one dose. And yeah, hair in those drains can cause a big slow down. The vinegar/hot water will help with the grease, but hair is best taken care of with the other methods mentioned here

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 07:57 AM (8ikIW)

214 Next step is to try a wire coat hanger to fish out hair. If in tub should have a screw to remove to take off the drain screen.

Use a Zip-it for the hair. It works great.

Posted by: no good deed at June 03, 2018 07:58 AM (eIQHF)

215 San Francisco, I think it was, complained about 'sediment' build up in sewer lines because everyone installed low flow toilets and there wasn't enough water running through the system to keep the lines clear.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 07:58 AM (roQNm)

216 201 It drained okay but without the swirly suckage I was
hoping for. Filled both sinks w/hot water, pulled the plugs and ran the
disposal for a second or two while they drained. Water goes lazily
around and exits at a leisurely pace. But it does drain.

Ans I suspect votermom is right about hair in the tub.


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:51 AM (LO5Qy)

You may have to do several flushes. Or you may have to do what i had to do one time. Cut the sink drain pipe and run a snake into it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 07:58 AM (mpXpK)

217 207 Next step is to try a wire coat hanger to fish out hair. If in tub should have a screw to remove to take off the drain screen.

My bathroom sink is poorly designed and need to take it apart often to clean it out.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:56 AM (aC6Sd)

.....

An easier way is to get some standing water in the tub and use a plunger on it. It will pull the hair out of the drain for you.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:58 AM (B6+JK)

218 97 Usually a good CPA is cheaper and more valuable for advice than an attorney.===========================
agree, particularly on this question of organization for tax purposes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 03, 2018 07:58 AM (rBnYq)

219 ...How much are you planning to steal?
...Are you going to be the majority member or stockholder (51% control)?
... You either have control or you don't have shit.
Posted by: Jwest at June 03, 2018 07:46 AM (/roJx)


IANAL, but it seems to me like Jwest has cut through to the very heart of the matter!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 07:59 AM (n9EOP)

220 Definitely LLC which minimizes your exposure.

Posted by: jmore at June 03, 2018 08:00 AM (ng/dM)

221 Got to go to grocery store to resupply food stocks.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 08:01 AM (aC6Sd)

222 198 good point about Trump cutting corporate taxes

Really need an accountant to figure out what's best for you

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:01 AM (hMwEB)

223 Use a Zip-it for the hair. It works great.
Posted by: no good deed

THAT is the thing I was thinking of. I have one and use it on the bathroom sink. It is upstairs, and I was too lazy to go get it. They cost less then 3 bucks and will pull out all sortsa crud from the drain.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:01 AM (8ikIW)

224 I'm a little depressed TBS hasn't fired Samantha Bee, much less everyone who ever had anything to do with her show. The left is seriously ok with these sorts of attacks?
I guess so.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 03, 2018 08:02 AM (rBnYq)

225 Reminds me of the school that installed waterless urinals only to have the urine eat through the pipes and destroy the bathroom.
Posted by: no good deed

Didn't they also compound the issue by using copper drain lines? How much money did they have to piss (literally) away?

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:03 AM (8ikIW)

226 The thing about an S Corp is it gives you flexibility on compensation. You can receive earnings as an employee or as an owner.

Sometimes, especially when borrowing money in your personal life, it's useful and easier to show income as an employee.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 08:03 AM (B6+JK)

227 I've been thinking of getting a DBA so I could officially do small service stuff semi-anonymously on the web (freelance type of things)

Even that seems like a lot of hassle though

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:03 AM (hMwEB)

228 An easier way is to get some standing water in the tub and use a plunger on it. It will pull the hair out of the drain for you.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 07:58 AM (B6+JK)


Lowes has a neat inexpensive flexible plastic clean-out tool. It is about two feet long and 1/4" wide with upward pointing barbs on each side. Works pretty well for cleaning drain hair clogs.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:03 AM (n9EOP)

229 "Cut the sink pipe..." Vic

Oh, goody...another thousand dollar expenditure.

If a boat is a hole in the water into which one pours money, what on earth is a house?

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:04 AM (LO5Qy)

230 just watched "damnation alley", the 1977 bomb that the studio thought would be that summer's big hit. it actually had a bigger budget than "star wars" - but looks like shlock filmed on 1/10 the money. just atrocious.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 03, 2018 08:04 AM (Pg+x7)

231 I know! I'll declare myself an LLC and deduct the expenses.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:05 AM (LO5Qy)

232 Lowes has a neat inexpensive flexible plastic clean-out tool. It is about two feet long and 1/4" wide with upward pointing barbs on each side. Works pretty well for cleaning drain hair clogs.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:03 AM (n9EOP)

.....

I'll have to check that out.

Somebody mentioned a coat hanger upthread and I was thinking that was a little bit of a PITA.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 03, 2018 08:05 AM (B6+JK)

233 Yep, copper pipes, Bruce, and it cost $500,000 to clean up and repair.

Posted by: no good deed at June 03, 2018 08:06 AM (eIQHF)

234 IANAL, but it seems to me like Jwest has cut through to the very heart of the matter!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 07:59 AM (n9EOP)


There are only two ways to structure a company, based on what you want to achieve...

A) On the Books. Everything is organized to show the maximum amount of cash flow and profit on the books in order to have the maximum amount of credit and to be able to exit with the maximum sales price.

B) Off the Books. Everything is organized to hide the most money, expense as much as possible, minimize reported profit and taxes and to milk the most cash out of the business for personal use.

Once the decision is made, the technical questions can be answered.

Posted by: Jwest at June 03, 2018 08:06 AM (/roJx)

235 I googled the zip-it thing. It was disgusting. Worked great, but gross the stuff you have in your pipes.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 08:06 AM (roQNm)

236 230 There is a south park that plays of this theme and has the black guy that always ends up dying.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 03, 2018 08:07 AM (JFO2v)

237 Creeper, does the sunk drain have a permanently attached "cover" on it, or is it one big hole?
To use the drain king you need to get a garden hose down the sink drain.
If that's not possible you can detach the pipe under the sink (where the trap is) but honestly that's a hubby job here.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:07 AM (hMwEB)

238 Lowes has a neat inexpensive flexible plastic clean-out tool. It is about two feet long and 1/4" wide with upward pointing barbs on each side. Works pretty well for cleaning drain hair clogs.
Posted by: Hrothgar

That's the thing I was referring to. It's called Zip It Clean. Their website shows it's available at most hardware, Wal mart, Walgreens?, Rite Aid

I don't know about the drug stores, I'd call first

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:08 AM (8ikIW)

239
Disgusting what hides in your pipes, and now I'm starting to eyeball the carpets.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 08:08 AM (roQNm)

240 I've been thinking of getting a DBA so I could officially do small service stuff semi-anonymously on the web (freelance type of things)

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:03 AM (hMwEB)


Just the DBA (caveat: last time I did one in 199 is easy. It probably gets more complicated when you have to apply for an EIN, but I don't know how complicated.

But the DBA part was just driving to the county courthouse.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 03, 2018 08:08 AM (fZuhk)

241 229
"Cut the sink pipe..." Vic

Oh, goody...another thousand dollar expenditure.

If a boat is a hole in the water into which one pours money, what on earth is a house?


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:04 AM (LO5Qy)

Usually those drain lines are black PVC. Easy to cut and easy to get a junction to put them back together. even if you have to hire a plumber it is only at most a two hour job that should not cost over $100.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:09 AM (mpXpK)

242 Once the decision is made, the technical questions can be answered.
Posted by: Jwest at June 03, 2018 08:06 AM (/roJx)

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:09 AM (hMwEB)

243 just watched "damnation alley", the 1977 bomb that the studio thought would be that summer's big hit. it actually had a bigger budget than "star wars" - but looks like shlock filmed on 1/10 the money. just atrocious.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 03, 2018 08:04 AM (Pg+x7)

So bad it's good!

I wonder if Jan Michael Rummy is still alive.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 03, 2018 08:10 AM (EoRCO)

244 Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:08 AM (8ikIW)

Yes Zip-It is the tool, well worth the investment of about $3. I think only hardware stores will carry it.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:10 AM (n9EOP)

245 Each household will now be limited to 55 gal (dropping to 50) per person per day.





Yes, but their chocolate ration will be increased from 30 grams to 25 grams a day

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (SiINZ)

246 I googled the zip-it thing. It was disgusting. Worked great, but gross the stuff you have in your pipes.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse

Yes it is. But, if you have womens in the house that insist on washing their hair, it's a big help. I use the thing about once a month or so before the drain even thinks about slowing down

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (8ikIW)

247 Amazon sells kits to convert CARB compliant gas cans. You can buy Jerry cans for "non-potable water" to get around the CARB stupidity.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (bML9A)

248 My favorite big budget movie that bombed has to be Flash Gordon.
So much fun to watch.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (hMwEB)

249 "Disgusting what hides in your pipes"

That's why out have to clean them out every once n a while.

Posted by: A. Weiner at June 03, 2018 08:12 AM (UdKB7)

250 Deerfield Illinois residents have two weeks to turn in all long firearms. Good luck with that Leftists.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 05:56 AM (aC6Sd)



Deerfield is one of those lefty north shore burbs full of rich idiots

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 03, 2018 08:12 AM (SiINZ)

251 My favorite big budget movie that bombed has to be Flash Gordon.
So much fun to watch.
Posted by: votermom

That was a fun movie.

So was Flesh Gordon

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:12 AM (8ikIW)

252 "That's why out have to clean them out every once n a while."

Sorry. One hanbed typing.

Posted by: A. Weiner at June 03, 2018 08:14 AM (UdKB7)

253 "Amazon sells kits to convert CARB compliant gas cans. You can buy Jerry cans for "non-potable water" to get around the CARB stupidity."

Bought one of these about three years ago for refilling small engine type things, (Scooter, Lawn Mower). Absolutely love it.

http://tinyurl.com/ydab4ysx

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:14 AM (EyPfd)

254 224 I'm a little depressed TBS hasn't fired Samantha Bee, much less everyone who ever had anything to do with her show. The left is seriously ok with these sorts of attacks?
I guess so.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 03, 2018 08:02 AM (rBnYq)

>>> Unless a bunch of name-brand leftist WOMEN protest, TBS will take no action. After all, Madeleine Albright was misquoted. She actually said, "There's a special hell for women who don't vote for leftist women, and who also don't totally support a leftist woman no matter what she says or does."

Posted by: Gref at June 03, 2018 08:15 AM (AMIL/)

255 246 Yes it is. But, if you have womens in the house that
insist on washing their hair, it's a big help. I use the thing about
once a month or so before the drain even thinks about slowing down

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (8ikIW)

I have a plastic trap that inserts in my bathtub drain that keep hair from going down the drain. It is similar to this one and it works fine.
http://tinyurl.com/y85o77a6

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:15 AM (mpXpK)

256 I hope Muldoon and other Colorado morons are well away from the fires Drudge reports.
The area between Antonito and Durango, and then up to Telluride, is some of the prettiest country in America, at least that I've seen, but getting out in a hurry (ahead of a fire) would be hair-raisingly difficult.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 03, 2018 08:16 AM (rBnYq)

257 248
My favorite big budget movie that bombed has to be Flash Gordon.

So much fun to watch.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (hMwEB)

I have that movies and I love it. I never knew that was a big budget movie though.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:16 AM (mpXpK)

258 Mornin'.

Posted by: Weasel at June 03, 2018 08:16 AM (UbmfD)

259 255 oh there's an over tub drain version, will try

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:17 AM (hMwEB)

260 We have had low flow toilets since 1994 and it is now a federal law. Of course it is unconstitutional as hell
===============================
This is a great argument for Federalism: water issues are absolutely regional. In the mountain west and southwest, you have to think about water usage. I sit at the confluence of the Mississippi, Missouri and the Illinois. All 3 major rivers that drain the continent. We are awash in water, literally depending on the time of year. I should be able to have 200 gallons per flush if I wanted.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 03, 2018 08:17 AM (ty7RM)

261 239 Disgusting what hides in your pipes, and now I'm starting to eyeball the carpets.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 08:08 AM (roQNm)

>>> Carpeting and the bottom of home water heater tanks contain lots of stuff you really don't want to think about.

Posted by: Gref at June 03, 2018 08:18 AM (AMIL/)

262 So..? Late last night we got home from fam cookout and Cards Against Humanity, I have a look at the ont. I see a post that says "great big gobs of greasy,grimey, gopher guts." And that damned sing song crap gets stuck in my head. I want whomever posted that to know. .... I hate you now.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 03, 2018 08:18 AM (myjNJ)

263 I'm a little depressed TBS hasn't fired Samantha Bee, much less everyone who ever had anything to do with her show. The left is seriously ok with these sorts of attacks?
I guess so.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 03, 2018 08:02 AM (rBnYq)



It was a recorded segment. TBS okayed it and the MFM has rushed to her defense with idiotic statements about how it's not comparable to what Rosanne did. Let them keep losing sponsors and the ones that stay can keep wasting money on a show that is bleeding viewers as fast as ESPN

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 03, 2018 08:18 AM (SiINZ)

264 Hey there, Weasel.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 03, 2018 08:18 AM (fZuhk)

265 Amazon sells kits to convert CARB compliant gas cans. You can buy Jerry cans for "non-potable water" to get around the CARB stupidity.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (bML9A)


My problem with that kit is that it requires you to put in an after-market air (bleed) valve which means you need to drill a ~1/4" hole at the top of the can. I don't see how you can do this without introducing some (admittedly small) amount of fine plastic shavings into the interior of the can and thus eventually into your fuel tank. I'm thinking a hand drill and a vacuum cleaner nozzle should do the trick, but I haven't done it yet.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:19 AM (n9EOP)

266 264 Hey there, Weasel.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 03, 2018 08:18 AM (fZuhk)
--------
Howdy hogmartin.

Power just went out in the middle of making coffee.

Posted by: Weasel at June 03, 2018 08:20 AM (UbmfD)

267 I said a few years back that most internet access will eventually be wireless and the cable companies will really be hurting then. Well it's coming finally and I can't wait to tell my cable company to bite me:

https://tinyurl.com/yd8h77on

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:20 AM (UdKB7)

268 My problem with that kit is that it requires you to put in an after-market air (bleed) valve which means you need to drill a ~1/4" hole at the top of the can. I don't see how you can do this without introducing some (admittedly small) amount of fine plastic shavings into the interior of the can and thus eventually into your fuel tank. I'm thinking a hand drill and a vacuum cleaner nozzle should do the trick, but I haven't done it yet.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:19 AM


Perhaps take your 1/4" drill bit, attach to a set of vise grips, heat drill red-hot with torch, then press through plastic?

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 08:22 AM (LOgQ4)

269 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:14 AM (EyPfd)

You have got to be the only guy that appreciates CARB compliant cans!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:22 AM (n9EOP)

270 Oh and GOOD MORNING PEOPLE!

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 03, 2018 08:23 AM (myjNJ)

271 "Zip tie thing..." Skandia Recluse

When I bought this house there was a plastic strip with tines on both sides under the sink. I pitched it because plastic and stupid.

Plunger was no help on tub drain. Adding "snake" to shopping list.

I quit. Gonna entertain mtself with a story. Can someone tell me where to get MP4's most recent?

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:23 AM (LO5Qy)

272 I have that movies and I love it. I never knew that was a big budget movie though.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:16 AM (mpXpK)

according to wiki it was $20M in 1980, while Star Wars was 11M in 1977
Damnation Alley (1977) was 8M

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:23 AM (hMwEB)

273 Perhaps take your 1/4" drill bit, attach to a set of vise grips, heat drill red-hot with torch, then press through plastic?
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 08:22 AM (LOgQ4)



No worries about the gas fumes in the container, eh?

But I take your point.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:24 AM (n9EOP)

274 271 I quit. Gonna entertain mtself with a story. Can someone tell me where to get MP4's most recent?


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:23 AM (LO5Qy)

MP4s are movies and be careful what you download.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:25 AM (mpXpK)

275 Perhaps take your 1/4" drill bit, attach to a set of vise grips, heat drill red-hot with torch, then press through plastic?
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 03, 2018 08:22 AM (LOgQ4)

ooh, red hot ice pick!

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:25 AM (hMwEB)

276 'Perhaps take your 1/4" drill bit, attach to a set of vise grips, heat drill red-hot with torch, then press through plastic?'

Drill the hole and then rinse the can out with water and a little detergent. Let it sit open for a day to dry.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:26 AM (UdKB7)

277 Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:23 AM (LO5Qy)

The Zip-It is cheaper and easier to use than a snake, especially for drains. YMMV

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:26 AM (n9EOP)

278 So the Bhussein spying on Trump now is documented to back to March 2016 and may have even began as early as Dec 2015.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 03, 2018 08:26 AM (JFO2v)

279 "You have got to be the only guy that appreciates CARB compliant cans!"

I get what you're saying.

But...the damn thins do work.
Put the nozzle into the tank opening.
Fully press the flow button.
When the fuel level rises to the tip of the nozzle, fuel flow stops.

Would probably be a struggle to refill an automobile due to the shortness of the nozzle.

But for applications where you are pouring directly into a tank, such as a mower...it just flat works.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:27 AM (EyPfd)

280 Votermom. ... soldering iron.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 03, 2018 08:27 AM (myjNJ)

281 Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:04 AM (LO5Qy)

Creeper, get the Lowe's hair removal tool suggested above. Teenage daughters WERE Hell on drains and those things work well. Don't cut into the line.

Posted by: clutch at June 03, 2018 08:28 AM (kiSdp)

282 according to wiki it was $20M in 1980, while Star Wars was 11M in 1977
Damnation Alley (1977) was 8M

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:23 AM (hMwEB)

>>> Based on the pre-release TV ads shown in Phoenix, "Star Wars" looked pretty cheesy and low-budget to me. I was so-so about going to see it based on the ads.

Posted by: Gref at June 03, 2018 08:28 AM (AMIL/)

283 Creeper, MP4's new book is Thirteen Moons by Christopher DiGrazia

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078Q6K6YD/

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:29 AM (hMwEB)

284 And how do I as a non-Californian get that stopped?
Posted by: clutch at June 03, 2018 07:27 AM (kiSdp)

===

You'll all be Californians, eventually.

Every nutty scheme that started here over the last 30 years has been successfully metastasized.


Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 03, 2018 08:30 AM (EZebt)

285 But for applications where you are pouring directly into a tank, such as a mower...it just flat works.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Yep. I got one for the snowblower. I've got an older plastic non compliant one for the mower, but when that goes, I'll get a push button one to replace it.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:30 AM (8ikIW)

286 Thanks, Horde. The Zip-It must have been what I tossed. Will get another, since ya'll recommend it so highly.

At least now I know what it was for. Little mysteries like this drive me nuts.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:31 AM (LO5Qy)

287 Drill the hole and then rinse the can out with water and a little detergent. Let it sit open for a day to dry.
Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:26 AM (UdKB7)


Thought of that as well, but after that it seems like I'd still have contaminated gas, of course a gas rinse might do the trick?

My current thought is to drill the hole so I have the precision diameter for a good fit, then add a small amount of gas to the can, then pour out the gas into another can using a funnel and cheesecloth filter, maybe more than once.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:32 AM (n9EOP)

288 At least now I know what it was for. Little mysteries like this drive me nuts.
Posted by: creeper

They can be kind of tough getting in an out of the drain, and the little plastic spike are pointy. There may be another type, but these do work well

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:33 AM (8ikIW)

289 Hrothgar, you can use a soldering iron to put a hole in the plastic without getting crap inside the can.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 03, 2018 08:34 AM (myjNJ)

290 CNN has no broadcasting license. It is a cable channel.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 03, 2018 08:34 AM (ABuva)

291 But for applications where you are pouring directly into a tank, such as a mower...it just flat works.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:27 AM (EyPfd)


I can see that might be handy for small equipment if the button really works. Hmm.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:34 AM (n9EOP)

292 Sole Proprietor LLC I would suggest. Depends on the business though also. I am initiating an LLC for my at home gunsmithing, provides the benefits of a business without the overarching issues of having a brick and mortar establishment.

Posted by: Sua Sponte at June 03, 2018 08:34 AM (QBrXv)

293 votermom, thank you.

I'm currently on the outs with Amazon over their treatment of Legal Insurrection. Do you know if it's on Nook?

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:35 AM (LO5Qy)

294
Get some books from nolo.com.

Posted by: Buzz at June 03, 2018 08:36 AM (GLtrL)

295 Get some books from nolo.com.

Posted by: Buzz

Is the book thread starting early? Should I get some pants on?

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:36 AM (8ikIW)

296 Hrothgar, you can use a soldering iron to put a hole in the plastic without getting crap inside the can.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 03, 2018 08:34 AM (myjNJ)


I like that idea, but the end goal is to snap in a force-fit vent cap which requires a fairly precise hole and would probably not seal well if the wall thickness has been altered via heat.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:37 AM (n9EOP)

297 " if the button really works. Hmm."

The secret is to actually trust it to work, and mash the button fully down to the open position.

Flow WILL stop instantly when the tank level rises to the point that it covers the bottom of the spot tip.

Do't peek.
Don't lift it up to look.
Don't feather the button.

Stick it in, and mash the button down.

It works.



Also, if due to lack of use, the button feels frozen in place, the spout is easily removable from the mechanism, and the o-ring free'd up.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:38 AM (EyPfd)

298 Will your company be capital intensive? Large building or expensive equipment? Does it deal with the public in a retail way, like a waterpark?

Posted by: Grump928(C) Fiat justitia ruat caelum at June 03, 2018 08:39 AM (yQpMk)

299 Late to the party, and not an accountant, but my two cents' worth on S corp vs LLC:

You might also want to consider C corp, given the new tax rates for each type of entity.

But these decisions (S, C, LLC) depend upon a lot of factors: How much net income the company will make; how much depreciation there will be (whether or not the type of business is capital-equipment intensive); how much money you personally plan to make from it. S corps have some advantages, if, say, you're going to make a decent amount personally, the company will be smallish with smallish net income, and there's a lot of equipment involved. If your company might make a shit ton of money, you're probably better off with a C corp.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 03, 2018 08:39 AM (sgHEm)

300 In order for the fitting to fit correctly you need a nice clean hole not a melted one. Maybe drill it upside down so the pieces don't fall in. Rinse if you think you still need to.

You have a filter screen and fuel filter in your car anyway so a tiny bit of plastic is not going to hurt anything.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:39 AM (UdKB7)

301 Also, if due to lack of use, the button feels frozen in place, the spout is easily removable from the mechanism, and the o-ring free'd up.


******


Is this about my prostate?

Posted by: Muldoon at June 03, 2018 08:40 AM (m45I2)

302 Car or lawnmower or whatever I mean.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:41 AM (UdKB7)

303 Creeper, I don't think so.

Amazon is a virtual monopoly for self-publishing writers, unfortunately.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:41 AM (hMwEB)

304 We have had low flow toilets since 1994 and it is
now a federal law. Of course it is unconstitutional as hell but as far
as I know it has never been challenged.
Posted by: Vic


We're in the process of replacing a washer, and they've done the same crap with washers very quietly.
The new ones use very little water. Detergents have now become enzyme-based, and washers don't have agitators as a result.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 03, 2018 08:42 AM (DMUuz)

305 Never mind, votermom. It's not on Nook.

Now I face a moral dilemma. Does my affection for MP4 outweigh my displeasure with Amazon?

This Sunday is beginning to suck worse than my drains.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:42 AM (LO5Qy)

306 "Is this about my prostate?"

Dude...you still have one of those things?

More hassle than they're worth.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:42 AM (EyPfd)

307 Anyway it's traditional to spill a little diesel when filling the tractor to annoint it and use to wipe the dust off.

Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:43 AM (UdKB7)

308 Please continue to buy ebooks from rightwing writers on Amazon.

These writers literally have no good alternative, and are already shut out of traditional publishers because of SJW policies.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:44 AM (hMwEB)

309 307 Anyway it's traditional to spill a little diesel when filling the tractor to annoint it and use to wipe the dust off.
Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:43 AM (UdKB7)
-----
Can't mess with tradition!

Posted by: Weasel at June 03, 2018 08:44 AM (UbmfD)

310 207 Next step is to try a wire coat hanger to fish out hair. If in tub should have a screw to remove to take off the drain screen.

My bathroom sink is poorly designed and need to take it apart often to clean it out.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:56 AM (aC6Sd)
--
Skip, I'm a longhaired cat so I routinely have to use a drain zip on my bathroom sink and shower. It's a long flexible zippery plastic thing that can really dig in their and drag out the hair balls. Be prepared for something disgusting.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 03, 2018 08:44 AM (qJtVm)

311 271
"Zip tie thing..." Skandia Recluse

When I bought this house there
was a plastic strip with tines on both sides under the sink. I pitched
it because plastic and stupid.

Plunger was no help on tub drain. Adding "snake" to shopping list.

I quit. Gonna entertain mtself with a story. Can someone tell me where to get MP4's most recent?


Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:23 AM (LO5Qy)

Hey Buddy..

Youtube the tub drain fix. Unscrew the two screwss on the flip switch that controls the mechanical drain plug (if there is one) Carefully pull the whole mechanism out of the overflow tube. May have to pull hard cause it could be stuck with soap scum and hair n shit.

Clean the crap out of it. jab your snake down the whole a few times twist it around. Then pour the hottest water you can stand without burning yourself down the the overflow drain hole. Like a five gallon buckets worth. All at once in a big long hot pour.

Best and easiest quality of life fix you will ever do.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 08:44 AM (7+qdf)

312 ooh, red hot ice pick!


*******


Wait a second, somebody please tell me this is NOT about my prostate.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 03, 2018 08:45 AM (m45I2)

313 Skip, I'm a longhaired cat so I routinely have to use a drain zip on my bathroom sink and shower. It's a long flexible zippery plastic thing that can really dig in their and drag out the hair balls. Be prepared for something disgusting.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

There's something you don't see every day Chauncey

What's that Edgar?

A cat the can clean a drain

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:46 AM (8ikIW)

314 Is the book thread starting early? Should I get some pants on?
Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:36 AM


Consider the traditional Horde compromise: Chaps.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 03, 2018 08:46 AM (DMUuz)

315
Spill-proof (when filling), I was misunderstanding that requirement. Now that I understand it is an automatic shut off device to prevent overfilling, I see the point. I have a little one for the chainsaw, and the mechanism is awkward to manipulate.

I have two containers that predate that CARB reg and they both have an air inlet nipple with a little plastic cap that makes the container both airtight and spillproof when capped. Each came with a built-in pour spout that retracts into the container. They are much easier to use, but it is difficult to judge when the tank that is being filled is filled to capacity, and overfilling happens regularly.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 03, 2018 08:47 AM (roQNm)

316 Your accountant will answer specifics for you, but in my business, I have always been an LLC, starting out as a sole proprietor and then later switching to S Corp. Running an LLC is just good practice: you keep your personal and biz life separate. Being Sole Proprietor was very easy, S Corp not so much. S Corp requires more paperwork, but can give you tax savings because some of your income will be given as dividends at a lower tax rate than regular income. On the other hand, you will be considered an employee of your own biz and you will probably need to pay unemployment insurance to the state on yourself. Thinking through all this is the job of your accountant, so find a good one that you can connect with. If the tax savings are minimal with S Corp, then I wouldn't do it because it is a hassle. I would just start out as a Sole Proprietor LLC and get your feet wet; you can always change to S Corp later.

If I understand it correctly, making matters more interesting, the President's recent tax changes lowered the benefits to me of the S Corp, this could be the same for you, so have your accountant run some numbers, there is a break even point where S Corp does or does not make sense.

Posted by: Denver at June 03, 2018 08:47 AM (qO1bD)

317 Wait a second, somebody please tell me this is NOT about my prostate.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 03, 2018 08:45 AM (m45I2)


" You may experience some momentary discomfort'

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (hMwEB)

318 Muldoon, surely there is a limerick or two in this thread.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (LO5Qy)

319 Consider the traditional Horde compromise: Chaps.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Thank you.

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (8ikIW)

320 Maybe drill it upside down so the pieces don't fall in. Rinse if you think you still need to.

You have a filter screen and fuel filter in your car anyway so a tiny bit of plastic is not going to hurt anything.
Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:39 AM (UdKB7)


Thanks for the upside down idea, that plus a rinse should ease my mind. Many small engines (e.g., my lawnmower) do not have a filter.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (n9EOP)

321 FBI

Firearm

Dancing

Probable alcohol.


What could go wrong...right?

These are trained professionals.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=386897

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (EyPfd)

322 My MIL had two new toilets put in a few years ago and they appear to have solved the low flow toilet problems now. So the new ones flush good.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 06:24 AM (mpXpK)

I have a low-flow toilet that works wonderfully. Much better than the original. However, saving water doesn't help my bills because there's a basic charge for sewer/water.

I went in to ask about ways to reduce my bill, and the workers were flabbergasted. I'm from the wet down, soap up, rinse off shower family. Otherwise, you run out of hot water.

I wonder if using rain barrels would help in California. They're popular here for gardeners.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (/+bwe)

323 Muldoon, surely there is a limerick or two in this thread.

*****

Perhaps, but I've got to run.

Later gators.

Endeavor to persevere.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 03, 2018 08:49 AM (m45I2)

324 Thanks for the upside down idea, that plus a rinse should ease my mind. Many small engines (e.g., my lawnmower) do not have a filter.
Posted by: Hrothgar

A cheap easy filter for a funnel is the paper cone type for paint. I keep a stack around for transferring old moser gas to the car

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:49 AM (8ikIW)

325 MOWER not moser

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:50 AM (8ikIW)

326 299
Late to the party, and not an accountant, but my two cents' worth on S corp vs LLC:



You might also want to consider C corp, given the new tax rates for each type of entity.



But these decisions (S, C, LLC) depend upon a lot of factors: How
much net income the company will make; how much depreciation there will
be (whether or not the type of business is capital-equipment intensive);
how much money you personally plan to make from it. S corps have some
advantages, if, say, you're going to make a decent amount personally,
the company will be smallish with smallish net income, and there's a lot
of equipment involved. If your company might make a shit ton of money,
you're probably better off with a C corp.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 03, 2018 08:39 AM (sgHEm)

This is correct. Its a big decision and probably not one that should be made on internet advice. Way to many variables to look t on a chat room board. If you are serious about the business, you should consult a attorney or tax accountant.
Or at least a place like legal zoom or something like that. I bet they would ask you all the right questions and lead you to a solid decision making matix.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 08:50 AM (7+qdf)

327 309 307 Anyway it's traditional to spill a little diesel when filling the tractor to annoint it and use to wipe the dust off.
Posted by: f'd at June 03, 2018 08:43 AM (UdKB7)
-----
Can't mess with tradition!
Posted by: Weasel at June 03, 2018 08:44 AM (UbmfD)


The old ways are best!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:50 AM (n9EOP)

328 books up

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:51 AM (mpXpK)

329 "MOWER not moser"

Your moser doesn't use gas?

F'n 1%er.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:51 AM (EyPfd)

330 88 Skip, how do you know when to pump the septic tank? I suddenly find myself in possession of one with not a clue how they work.

Posted by: creeper

You will need to maintain it properly, keep the bacteria working which is what breaks down the solids . So for example don't flush a lot of anti-bacterials, I assume ammonia and such. There's pills to flush and such. Doesn't take a lot of effort, just a small amount regularly. I used to manufacture septic tanks but never had one. The internet knows what to do.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at June 03, 2018 08:51 AM (IeDO8)

331 I can't wait until some progressive idiot in Maryland decides we need to emulate California and start restricting water use, despite the fact that we usually have get plenty of rain and have plenty of water.

And what the California idiots don't realize is that by limiting people's in-home water usage, people will just push off some of their water usage to public spaces. Debating whether to go home and shower or shower at the gym after a workout? Well now you'll shower at the gym. Every time you're out in public you'll use the restroom before heading home. And some other changes people will make will be worse for the environment. How many families will start eating off paper plates with plastic forks and knives to save the water from washing dishes?

Posted by: biancaneve at June 03, 2018 08:51 AM (jtkJD)

332 Trump is tweeting

Jesse Watters "The only thing Trump obstructed was Hillary getting to the White House." So true!

Posted by: Bruce at June 03, 2018 08:51 AM (8ikIW)

333 Alright who knows why a modern three year old walk behind mower would fail to run.

Gas check
Clean and new spark plug- check
Air filter clean and working - check.

Oil- check



Husky one pull start mower starts badly, on tenth pull, runs weakly and then power drains off and dies.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 08:52 AM (7+qdf)

334 get something called Drain King - you attach it to a hose, push it down the drain, and it pulses out the water.
I think Ace Hardware or Amazon has it -don't get the knockoff at HomeDepot or Lowes
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 03, 2018 07:05 AM
~~~~~

Drain King is the absolute best. We used it last year at votermom's suggestion after numerous other attempts at clearing, including a snake. Highly recommend!

Posted by: IrishEi at June 03, 2018 08:53 AM (HiDrR)

335 "Every time you're out in public you'll use the restroom before heading home."

Just find the nearest Starbucks.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:53 AM (EyPfd)

336 BOOKS is UP !

Posted by: JT at June 03, 2018 08:54 AM (FaG8C)

337 Book Nood!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (n9EOP)

338 I'm glad I never had to worry about my business being incorporated, LLC, whatever. It seems it doesn't matter when your business consists of getting on my computer to make sure the money was deposited. It used to be walking out to the mailbox to get my check, but I've joined the brave new world of internet banking.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (9BLnV)

339 Before you use the drain cleaner, home improvement stores sell a cheap plastic plumbers snake that looks like a jagged slim-Jim. Cleared up my drainage problems quickly.

Posted by: Porter at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (VWE5i)

340 One thing to consider is having two corporations, one that deals with customers and has all the liability risk, and one that owns the capital equipment and buildings and rents them to the first, to separate your liability from your assets.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Fiat justitia ruat caelum at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (yQpMk)

341 "Alright who knows why a modern three year old walk behind mower would fail to run.

Gas check
Clean and new spark plug- check
Air filter clean and working - check.

Oil- check"

How old is the gas that is in the carburetor?

Corn Gas is death on small engines.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (EyPfd)

342 LLC or S Corp.

You can do both. Taxed add an S corporation is a tax election. The legal entity is an LLC or a corporation. A corporation is more costly to establish and maintain. An LLC is much easier and cheaper to set up. Same legal liability benefit in both. Taxed as an S Corp is an election that both a corporation can do or an LLC can do.

Posted by: PEF at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (mPVq7)

343 "Alright who knows why a modern three year old walk behind mower would fail to run. "

* whistles, looks at ceiling *

Posted by: Ethanol at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (UdKB7)

344 322 I wonder if using rain barrels would help in California. They're popular here for gardeners.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (/+bwe)

BION rain barrels are illegal in some States.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:57 AM (mpXpK)

345 I think people get a bit hung up on the legal/accounting side of things when starting a business. I can't stress enough that an entrepreneur of any type, even a lemonade stand, should hire a good accountant and let him deal with this. You don't have to understand all of it, but just some of it. Your most important job is producing something that people will buy.

My advice to anyone is to start small, and then improve your game in increments. When I started, my accounting was done one a spreadsheet. Now I used accounting software.

Posted by: Denver at June 03, 2018 08:58 AM (qO1bD)

346 I wonder if using rain barrels would help in California. They're popular here for gardeners.


California is being reduced to a third world country.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Fiat justitia ruat caelum at June 03, 2018 08:58 AM (yQpMk)

347 it's standard height but I think if I pour the boiling water from up high the extra force should help.
Yes? No?
Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 07:31 AM (LO5Qy)

Is someone going to hold your beer first?

Posted by: April at June 03, 2018 08:59 AM (e8PP1)

348 333
Alright who knows why a modern three year old walk behind mower would fail to run.

Gas check
Clean and new spark plug- check
Air filter clean and working - check.

Oil- check



Husky one pull start mower starts badly, on tenth pull, runs weakly and then power drains off and dies.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 08:52 AM (7+qdf)

This is usually a carburetor issue. Try some carburetor cleaner. Also check fuel filter.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 09:01 AM (mpXpK)

349 I don't know what the OP on drains is all about, but consider that if you use chemicals in your drain, and then end up calling a company to clean out the line, they will hate you for exposing them to extra risk for exposing them to the chemicals compared to had you called them in the first place.

Posted by: Denver at June 03, 2018 09:02 AM (qO1bD)

350 330
88 Skip, how do you know when to pump the septic tank? I suddenly find
myself in possession of one with not a clue how they work.



Posted by: creeper



You will need to maintain it properly, keep the bacteria working
which is what breaks down the solids . So for example don't flush a lot
of anti-bacterials, I assume ammonia and such. There's pills to flush
and such. Doesn't take a lot of effort, just a small amount regularly.
I used to manufacture septic tanks but never had one. The internet
knows what to do.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at June 03, 2018 08:51 AM (IeDO


Your town may have an ordinance that requires regular pumping. My town looks for a certificate from an approved pumper every five years. Gotta keep the solids from overflowing into the leeching field.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 09:06 AM (7+qdf)

351 343
"Alright who knows why a modern three year old walk behind mower would fail to run. "



* whistles, looks at ceiling *

Posted by: Ethanol at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (UdKB7)


FU E85

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 09:10 AM (7+qdf)

352 341
"Alright who knows why a modern three year old walk behind mower would fail to run.



Gas check

Clean and new spark plug- check

Air filter clean and working - check.



Oil- check"



How old is the gas that is in the carburetor?



Corn Gas is death on small engines.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 08:55 AM (EyPfd)


Wellllll, The gas in the gas can wsa the last of the winter's snow blowing gas, preserved with stabil.
Mower was running fine for the first 5 mows this year then blammy.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 09:12 AM (7+qdf)

353 Husky one pull start mower starts badly, on tenth pull, runs weakly and then power drains off and dies.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 08:52 AM (7+qdf)

My immediate suspect is ethanol fuel.

Posted by: clutch at June 03, 2018 09:12 AM (kiSdp)

354 353 Husky one pull start mower starts badly, on tenth pull, runs weakly and then power drains off and dies.

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpr9b0Qyfds

Posted by: Jwest at June 03, 2018 09:16 AM (/roJx)

355 Mower was running fine for the first 5 mows this year then blammy.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 09:12 AM (7+qdf)

Ethanol eats up plastic in carburetors. Buy non-ethanol at marinas or pure-gas.com

Posted by: clutch at June 03, 2018 09:16 AM (kiSdp)

356 Skip, there's a house for sale across the road. You move in and I'll put you on a retainer.

It turns out that with a house things break faster than you can fix them.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 09:17 AM (LO5Qy)

357 Ethanol in furl eats plastic fuel system components. Putting polymers into carb or fuel injectors. So, cleaning those out is a bitch.

1. Buy ethanol free gas
2. Don't store gar in mower, even with stabilize r

Posted by: Jean at June 03, 2018 09:17 AM (4vSZJ)

358 "Wellllll, The gas in the gas can wsa the last of the winter's snow blowing gas, preserved with stabil."

I use the same stuff, with excellent results.

So maybe the corn-gas isn't the culprit.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 09:23 AM (EyPfd)

359 It's been mentioned here before, but here is a website for finding gas stations that sell ethanol-free gasoline:

http://www.buyrealgas.com/

I lucked out and found a place very close to me. It's actually an HVAC company that also sells diesel, propane, and 98 octane racing gasoline. It's actually colored green, so I can honestly say that I'm using green fuel.

It's expensive, $10/gal, but my little 1.25 gallon gas can will last two months with weekly mowing.

Posted by: rickl at June 03, 2018 09:24 AM (sdi6R)

360 265 Amazon sells kits to convert CARB compliant gas cans. You can buy Jerry cans for "non-potable water" to get around the CARB stupidity.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at June 03, 2018 08:11 AM (bML9A)

My problem with that kit is that it requires you to put in an after-market air (bleed) valve which means you need to drill a ~1/4" hole at the top of the can. I don't see how you can do this without introducing some (admittedly small) amount of fine plastic shavings into the interior of the can and thus eventually into your fuel tank. I'm thinking a hand drill and a vacuum cleaner nozzle should do the trick, but I haven't done it yet.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 03, 2018 08:19 AM (n9EOP)


Make sure the fuel can is dry and you use a new or freshly sharpened drill bit (not the one Ace used to drill holes through the drywall when hanging shelves). That way you get long curls of plastic, not little chips.

Shake out the drill residue.

You should have a flame arrestor screen on your fuel can nozzle. That's backup #1.

Replace your equipment's fuel filter after running a couple of can's of fuel. That's backup #2. If your equipment doesn't have a fuel filter, then spend a couple bucks and 30 minutes of time to get an after market in-line filter and add it.

I've added vents over the years to a dozen or so cans (gas, diesel, kero). Either new cans or emptied them and let them air out for a few days. On the Diesel and kero, I rinsed with gas before letting them air out.

Really, if the can is dry and you use a sharp bit, the plastic bits will shake right out. And your equipment rally should have a fuel filter. Some smaller stuff, like push lawn mowers or pressure washers sometimes don't. Pretty cheap and easy to add one.

I also ditch the spring loaded nozzles. I can get old fashioned ones at Tractor Supply.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 03, 2018 09:30 AM (di1hb)

361 352
Wellllll, The gas in the gas can wsa the last of the winter's snow blowing gas, preserved with stabil.
Mower was running fine for the first 5 mows this year then blammy.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 03, 2018 09:12 AM (7+qdf)


Stabil gets you 30 days the way most folks store fuel. And, has that engine only ever lived on a diet of ethanol-free or properly stabilized fuel?

As suggested above, you may have a partial blockage in the carb. Some varnish has gotten knocked loose and traveled to some small passageway and gotten stuck there.

It could also be something else. You can test if it's fuel delivery pretty easy. Get a clean spray bottle and put gas in it. Remove air cleaner and spray some gas in the air intake. If it starts right up and runs normal for a few seconds before acting up, then it's fuel delivery.

Check the hose going to the carb. Thinking you have a gravity fed setup so you should get a good flow when you pull the hose off the carb. If not, replace the hose. Drain the tank and use a flashlight to eyeball inside to ensure no crud is in the tank. Loose crud can move around and partially block things, then move away and engine will run fine.

If the the tank and fuel line check out, you likely have a dirty carb. You can mess with cleaners and other additives and it might work.

I'd just get a replacement carb and swap it. I'd expect it to be in the neighborhood of $30. I've chased this on several pieces of equipment (mowers, chain saws, garden tractors, leaf blower, pressure washer, etc) and now I just order a carb just to save time. I've tried cleaners and Seafoam. I've tried soaking the carb in carb cleaner. I've tried spray can carb cleaner. Now, I just slap a new carb on.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 03, 2018 09:48 AM (di1hb)

362 212 creepers second biggest problem ?
I don't live next door
Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 07:57 AM (aC6Sd)

All of the non-Skips here have that problem.

Posted by: m at June 03, 2018 09:52 AM (0bRDi)

363 At least Skip is here to offer advice. I wore out two husbands. Hoping Skip is made of sterner stuff.

Posted by: creeper at June 03, 2018 10:03 AM (LO5Qy)

364 Krak,

You've gotten some good advice, Whitbread (and some not so good). "Choice of entity" can be fairly complicated and fact-specific, and is often as much "art" as science. Been doing business law (w/ an undergrad degree in Accounting) for 40 years, mostly with private businesses. Would be happy to spend some time walking you through the options/decision points (no charge for a fellow moron - or, in my case, lurker). Email me at "stevenpeden at hotmail.com".

Posted by: LampofDiogenes at June 03, 2018 10:04 AM (7sFls)

365 "Whitbread" = "upthread". Screw "autocorrect" all to hell.

Posted by: LampofDiogenes at June 03, 2018 10:07 AM (7sFls)

366 Really its hard to explain how to fix things on a web page but if you have a house issue ask.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2018 10:10 AM (aC6Sd)

367 A new "Underground Career": Back-alley gas can modifier. I have one that I think is permanently sealed. Perfectly safe, as no gas can get in. Not sure about "out".
I found one that works at a lawn "pro" shop. It's a little complicated, but it does work.

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 03, 2018 10:25 AM (RuIsu)

368 wonder if using rain barrels would help in California. They're popular here for gardeners.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 03, 2018 08:48 AM (/+bwe)

BION rain barrels are illegal in some States.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 03, 2018 08:57 AM (mpXpK)

Wow! I had no idea. We have university extension offices that demonstrate how hook up and use rain barrels instead of using municipal water for dry spells. We had a local demonstration with discounted barrels and they were snatched up within an hour.

I can see where government officials might worry about barrels as a breeding ground for mosquitos, but that's part of the programs around here. (We have West Nike virus.)

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 03, 2018 10:43 AM (/+bwe)

369 I can see where government officials might worry about barrels as a breeding ground for mosquitos, but that's part of the programs around here. (We have West Nike virus.)
Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 03, 2018 10:43 AM (/+bwe)

Pretty sure Adidas can cure that.

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 03, 2018 10:48 AM (3Qzpw)

370 123 Also, for the protection of a corporation or LLC, it's important to do everything properly, otherwise the liability protection can disappear. Liability insurance on top might also be wise--sometimes can reassure clients.
Posted by: Kevin C at June 03, 2018 07:06 AM (Mzwlm)

Since you will all be partners, the limited liability inherent in an LLC won't necessarily protect your personal assets. If you, as the member do work for the LLC that is claimed caused harm, damage, or injury, you can still be personally sued. I found that out the hard way when I, my partner, AND my LLC were sued in civil court for work under the LLC (albeit frivolously and maliciously).

Posted by: jim at June 03, 2018 10:53 AM (gjGvH)

371 That is, the suit was frivolous & malicious, not the work.

Posted by: jim at June 03, 2018 10:55 AM (gjGvH)

372 "I can see where government officials might worry about barrels as a breeding ground for mosquitos, but that's part of the programs around here. (We have West Nike virus.)"

I don't remember where, but one argument for making them illegal was the position that the water actually belongs to whatever government entity that was arguing it.

Despite the fact that the rain fell on the homeowners own roof.

And by collecting and retaining the water, the homeowner was depriving the government of it's property.

(I shit you not)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 11:08 AM (EyPfd)

373 Is it legal in your State for you to collect your own rainwater?

http://tinyurl.com/ya2vvpq2

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 11:18 AM (EyPfd)

374 Off to the Bitterroot Mountains(Teh Root) for a week of off the grid living at Casa Remote. Try not to trash the place before I get back.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 03, 2018 11:32 AM (r9UYA)

375 Hey Under Fire.


If nature overtakes you..

Can I haz your stuff?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 03, 2018 11:39 AM (EyPfd)

376 It's often a tax-driven decision. Start with a tax lawyer or tax accountant.

If there is no advantage of one over the other, then I would probably go with a corporation. In my state, the corporation offers better liability protection because of a specific state law (close corporation election). If you want to email me about the state of your operations, I can let you know whether you have a similar advantage. (By the way, several of the comments, above, are wrong.)

Posted by: Gregg at June 03, 2018 11:40 AM (GZXZ5)

377 old gas that needs to be deleted can be used to annoy any fire ant kingdoms...fphhuuump! splody-like

Posted by: micky at June 03, 2018 12:06 PM (dF9Lb)

378 I'been running an S Corp for 12 years now. It's all good until you start making too much $. The gubmint forces shareholders to take out lots of $ at the end of year.which raises your personal tax rate and forces one to live off the bank's LOC.

C Corp is double taxed, but you can leave the dough in the bank without uncle raiding it.

Posted by: Bigfoot at June 03, 2018 12:55 PM (1yOGV)

379 LLC or S-corp

There are 2 choices to make.

Form of organization - LLC or corporation. The LLC is usually the best choice for a small business. It has liability protection and more flexibility is choosing which tax return to file.

Tax filing - S-corp is usually the best choice for a small business. You can choose this if you are organized either as an LLC or as a corporation.

Posted by: Mike S at June 03, 2018 01:32 PM (Gyg4r)

380
"LLC or S-corp"

Check the federal and your state regulations to verify this:


1. It is possible to convert any of the LLC/S-corp/C-corp (like Amazon, Ford, ...) to any of the others ...

... but the transition from LLC to S-corp to C-corp is the easiest, and in fact very easy. All of the other possible permutations are much less easy.


2. In an LLC, tax losses are (or can be) apportioned by investment amount (gains too, I think), and can even be assigned to only specific investors, if desired. In the other two everyone gets something, so if everyone invests equally, there's no issue, but if you are the major investor, the others get to take some of your tax loss (I experienced this).

Posted by: Arbalest at June 03, 2018 02:41 PM (FlRtG)

381 S-corp lets you take a lot of your compensation as dividends, which are free from Social Security tax. That's a lot of money for self-employed--about 17%.

Posted by: David at June 03, 2018 05:36 PM (309UL)

382 381 This is the most important consideration In my experience for small businesses, which is 25 years as a tax attorney. S Corp and LLC are functionally equivalent for liability protection. The paperwork required is about the same. An LLC can be tailored to specific arrangements more easily with an operating agreement, but if you use an s Corp you can bail out a lot of income as a dividend and save self employment taxes of 1000s of dollars. Again, this is in the context of 3 guys making 5 figures annually each. Pay out income as dividends of 20,000 for example saves 3000 in SS and Medicare taxes.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 03, 2018 06:56 PM (/aiGx)

383 S corp is much less flexible with regard to profits; they must be taken with regard to share of ownership. Salaries can of course be set at any level, individually. But dividends must be proportional, most often, equal.

LLC allows dividends to be paid at any rate with no rules at all.

This may be an advantage, or not. I usually think not.

Posted by: scottst at June 03, 2018 07:35 PM (mDrEG)

384 I have two comments = for a small business, I think the s corp is overall better in 99 percent of circumstances.

And NEVER use ethanol gas in a small engine. It is not that hard to find non ethanol gas even here in cornfield hell. And my harley riding friends say the same about their bikes.

Posted by: john at June 03, 2018 08:42 PM (xXlbd)

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