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The not-so-great debate [KT]
Remember that long debate on political correctness featuring Jordan Peterson and three other people? It was linked in the sidebar not long ago. The actual debate starts at about 7:30 if you want to watch the whole thing. I don't think this was a debate packed with great ideas, but it provided some interesting insights into how the Left thinks of "debate". The topic of the debate was supposed to be "Political Correctness: Be It Resolved, What You Call Political Correctness, I Call Progress..."
I'm not sure that this was evident through the course of the debate. David Thompson and his commenters have some follow-up that includes two shorter clips. This post indicates that, to the debaters on the Left, the primary topic was "Be it resolved: Jordan Peterson is a Mean White Man." I think the debate meandered quite a bit. And Michelle Goldberg started off the debate by excluding her least-favorite parts of political correctness. And by focusing on opposition to Jordan Peterson. I lost patience. So the comments here at AoSHQ and at the link above have been helpful. The stated topic of the debate did not specify White Privilege, but much of the debate seemed to be about White Privilege. Probably because that was the specialty of one of the lefty debaters. Well, there was feminism, too. No wonder Michelle Goldberg hates bloggers and social media.In the comments, Joan shares this short but telling clip illustrating the lofty standard of debate offered by Ms Goldberg, one of the New York Times' finest. Readers are invited to watch the clip and then join me in devising possible excuses. For instance, "I, a professional journalist with a degree in journalism from Berkeley, didn't actually bother to watch the interview that I referred to repeatedly during a public debate and which I cited with great enthusiasm, and in which both the interviewer and interviewee make clear, pointedly and repeatedly - at least three times - that Peterson didn't say what I, a professional journalist and self-styled upholder of good manners, claimed that he said." Of course the acid test of Ms Goldberg's integrity, such as it may be, is how she responds to the dozens of people who've tweeted her with proof of this, shall we say, error. Will there be a retraction, an admission of ineptness, an apology to Peterson?One thing that struck me, both from the false quote and the debate in general, was the demonstration, once again, of how little the Left cares about clarity of language.
Lights of the Left on Video
Michelle Goldberg:Dyson also informs the audience that "white privilege doesn't act according to quantifiable segments," and that to ask for specifics, actual points that might be discussed and tested, is itself a sign of "white privilege," especially when such questions are asked with "lethal intensity." Kafkatrap!10:35:
How do you ask a question with "lethal intensity"? Heh. I think the message being sent is something like, "If you ask me to be specific and substantiate my claims I will imply that your line of questioning encourages violence against minorities."17:03:
"Slavery as permanent trump card, no matter how many generations have passed since it was abolished." Well, okay then. If that's how they want to play it...Did you manage to watch the entire debate? Parts of it? Anything stand out in your mind? NOTE: This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.The Barbary pirates, sometimes called Barbary corsairs or Ottoman corsairs, were Ottoman pirates and privateers who operated from North Africa ... Their predation extended throughout the Mediterranean, south along West Africa's Atlantic seaboard and into the North Atlantic as far north as Iceland, but they primarily operated in the western Mediterranean. In addition to seizing merchant ships, they engaged in Razzias, raids on European coastal towns and villages, mainly in Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal, but also in the British Isles, the Netherlands and as far away as Iceland. The main purpose of their attacks was to capture Christian slaves for the Ottoman slave trade as well as the general Arab slavery market in North Africa and the Middle East.It could be argued that it was the desire to destroy this practice at its root - the slave trade within Africa - which led ultimately to the end of the Atlantic trade. The fact that the Barbary pirates were finally subdued around the late 18th/early 19th Centuries, just as abolitionism began to gain traction in the British Empire, is surely too neat to be coincidental. But that would spoil the narrative of European original sin. And this is the really important point: it's not simply that Britain saw the error of its ways, abolishing the slave trade out of some kind of guilty conscience (and in the end managed to convince America); the British Empire was the first civilization to recognise that slavery is wrong in the first place, not just for its own people, but in principle. That's our idea, and without it there would be no guilt, just as the Berbers, the Ottomans, the Arabs, and the West Africans felt no guilt in taking slaves for themselves. Talk about cultural appropriation...
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Aha- I see.
Posted by: Miklos, in the mornin' at May 26, 2018 11:23 AM (zCyNd)
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Huevos!
Posted by: Jeb! at May 26, 2018 11:23 AM (/qEW2)
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I said before, the phrase "300 years of slavery" probably means that slavery has not been abolished.
Dyson's grandfather knew Jim Crow I assume. His grandfather's grandfather knew a time when the klan helped elect US congressmen. And his grandfather's grandfather's grandfather knew slavery. He thinks he belongs in that group. And not the select group of people who sell books and appear on TV, like Jordan Peterson does.
Dyson's grandfather knew Jim Crow I assume. His grandfather's grandfather knew a time when the klan helped elect US congressmen. And his grandfather's grandfather's grandfather knew slavery. He thinks he belongs in that group. And not the select group of people who sell books and appear on TV, like Jordan Peterson does.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2018 11:25 AM (rnAwa)
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Here I am. I am here. Am I here?
Posted by: RI Red at May 26, 2018 11:26 AM (ARQ+P)
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Remember that long debate on political correctness featuring Jordan Peterson and three other people?
Yesn't.
* retreats to previous thread *
Yesn't.
* retreats to previous thread *
Posted by: mindful webworker - it was supposed to be funny... at May 26, 2018 11:27 AM (XqXVp)
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I have fallen in front of a tv and can't get up
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2018 11:27 AM (aC6Sd)
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I've seen Dyson many times in the past. He's a one note Johnny.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2018 11:27 AM (IqV8l)
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I have fallen in front of a tv and can't get up
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2018 11:27 AM (aC6Sd)
Wait for the Viagra ads.
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2018 11:27 AM (aC6Sd)
Wait for the Viagra ads.
Posted by: Miklos, reclining comfortably at May 26, 2018 11:29 AM (zCyNd)
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11:30 am is the time for a Mid-Day Open Thread at Ace's Place?
How can it be mid-day if Ace is still asleep?
How can it be mid-day if Ace is still asleep?
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 11:29 AM (QQwu1)
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I watched this a few day ago, Not impressed. Jordan was the only one that made any sense. His partner the flaming white suit guy was tolerable but the opponents were not there to debate but to tear down Peterson. Insights into how the left victim mentality thinks were flailed all about. I'm a woman and I'm oppressed or I'm a Black racist preacher here is why Whites are bad.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 26, 2018 11:30 AM (0OmEj)
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I kill so many threads. Jeezo. Then I feel like an idiot reposting.
Oh well, I'm an idiot:
We're going to go see the photograph's of Vivian Maier this a.m. It's an amazing story. She was a nanny, and an amazing, talented photographer who got zero recognition during her lifetime. There's a 1 hour YouTube documentary about her life. Well worth the watch.
Oh well, I'm an idiot:
We're going to go see the photograph's of Vivian Maier this a.m. It's an amazing story. She was a nanny, and an amazing, talented photographer who got zero recognition during her lifetime. There's a 1 hour YouTube documentary about her life. Well worth the watch.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 26, 2018 11:30 AM (ty7RM)
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How can it be mid-day if Ace is still asleep?
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 11:29 AM (QQwu1)
The people at Greenwich Naval Observatory set their clock by the clink of the Valu-Rite bottles flying from Ace's window.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 11:29 AM (QQwu1)
The people at Greenwich Naval Observatory set their clock by the clink of the Valu-Rite bottles flying from Ace's window.
Posted by: Miklos, 24/7/366 at May 26, 2018 11:31 AM (zCyNd)
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I want to wish Presdent Obama a "Happy Memorial Day" and thank him for taking care of are vets and not starting any stupid wars like Trump has.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 26, 2018 11:32 AM (qM84C)
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Morning, Horde. Taking a break from yard work. Need moar coffee.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 26, 2018 11:33 AM (hLOaE)
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Mary is so right!!!
And Mary, I see that your intern is typing for you. Keep that work/life/unpaid staff balance!
And Mary, I see that your intern is typing for you. Keep that work/life/unpaid staff balance!
Posted by: Concerned Woman of Brattleboro at May 26, 2018 11:34 AM (zCyNd)
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I've seen Dyson many times in the past. He's a one note Johnny.
...
Dyson must keep up the myths of white privilege and racist bogeymen.
Without that thumb on the scale and all things being equal, he would be exposed for the pseudo-intellectual fraud that he is.
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Dyson must keep up the myths of white privilege and racist bogeymen.
Without that thumb on the scale and all things being equal, he would be exposed for the pseudo-intellectual fraud that he is.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at May 26, 2018 11:36 AM (2wOtx)
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Time to get dressed for the parade. This has turned into a tradition for several of us, one which I'm honored to participate in.
Class A's are kinda hot to walk in, but the uniform still looks good with the chest candy and unit badges.
So I will see you all later on--enjoy the day, and please take just a moment to say thank you to those who made all this possible.
Time to get dressed for the parade. This has turned into a tradition for several of us, one which I'm honored to participate in.
Class A's are kinda hot to walk in, but the uniform still looks good with the chest candy and unit badges.
So I will see you all later on--enjoy the day, and please take just a moment to say thank you to those who made all this possible.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2018 11:36 AM (S/hVx)
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watched Evil Genius on Netflix (I know) last night
about the pizza guy who was forced to rib a bank, with a bomb stuck around his neck
while the perpetrators were definitely evil, didn't see much genius, just more FB fail
about the pizza guy who was forced to rib a bank, with a bomb stuck around his neck
while the perpetrators were definitely evil, didn't see much genius, just more FB fail
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 26, 2018 11:36 AM (hMwEB)
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4 Here I am. I am here. Am I here?
Posted by: RI Red at May 26, 2018 11:26 AM (ARQ+P)
'Ere I am, R.I.
Posted by: RI Red at May 26, 2018 11:26 AM (ARQ+P)
'Ere I am, R.I.
Posted by: Mr. Kurtzman at May 26, 2018 11:36 AM (NL6wI)
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Clarity of language is the # 1 enemy of leftist "thinking".
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at May 26, 2018 11:38 AM (xJrIn)
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at May 26, 2018 11:39 AM (2wOtx)
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I am nice white man, si? I submit. I do whatever you say. I denounce mean white men.
Posted by: ¡Jeb! at May 26, 2018 11:40 AM (/qEW2)
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language is a window into a person's mind...
it's kinda hard to write/speak clearly when your thoughts are addled.
it's kinda hard to write/speak clearly when your thoughts are addled.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 26, 2018 11:41 AM (79lT1)
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good morning morons. Obama ate a dog.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 26, 2018 11:42 AM (KWnR1)
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Al Gore uses eliminationist rhetoric in address to University of Maryland graduates
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/297775/
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/297775/
Posted by: steevy at May 26, 2018 11:42 AM (LiyEm)
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I tried and watched most of it. I freely admit I would skip quite a bit of the leftists blather because that's all it was.
People like Dyson who sponge off of racial grievance is the reason we will never have anything approaching race normalcy in the US (and wider west).
People like Dyson who sponge off of racial grievance is the reason we will never have anything approaching race normalcy in the US (and wider west).
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 11:42 AM (+Tibp)
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I watched the whole debate. Lesson learned: Humor goes a long way.
Posted by: m at May 26, 2018 11:42 AM (0bRDi)
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FBI fail that is
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 26, 2018 11:42 AM (hMwEB)
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There are three types of people in Michael Dyson's world:
1. Michael Eric Dyson.
2. Those who subordinate themselves to Michael Eric Dyson.
3. Racists.
What a blowhard. Didn't much like being called a Huckster did he?
1. Michael Eric Dyson.
2. Those who subordinate themselves to Michael Eric Dyson.
3. Racists.
What a blowhard. Didn't much like being called a Huckster did he?
Posted by: phone of kari at May 26, 2018 11:43 AM (VoMt7)
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"One thing that struck me, both from the false quote and the debate in general, was the demonstration, once again, of how little the Left cares about clarity of language."
Clarity of language is racisss. You're a mean White Man! (Pats self on back).
Clarity of language is racisss. You're a mean White Man! (Pats self on back).
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 26, 2018 11:44 AM (9BLnV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2018 11:44 AM (IqV8l)
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I didn't watch the whole thing but if you look at comments on it, they are as far as I can tell 100% in support of Peterson and against the lefties. He (and to a lesser extent Frye) came across as informed, polite, on target, intelligent, and prepared. The others came off as idiotic, annoying, obnoxious, offensive, and ignorant, repeating stupid talking points and demonstrating a near-total inability to think rationally and usefully.
Even the leftists who commented lamented that they wished someone better than those two knuckleheads were there to support their side because they were so monumentally idiotic and worthless.
Even the leftists who commented lamented that they wished someone better than those two knuckleheads were there to support their side because they were so monumentally idiotic and worthless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 11:45 AM (39g3+)
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Without that thumb on the scale and all things being equal, he would be exposed for the pseudo-intellectual fraud that he is.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at May 26, 2018 11:36 AM (2wOtx)
Pseudo-intellectual fraud, indeed. He never misses an opportunity to use a ten dollar word when a one dollar word will do, to show off his erudition and impress the dullards.
Without that thumb on the scale and all things being equal, he would be exposed for the pseudo-intellectual fraud that he is.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at May 26, 2018 11:36 AM (2wOtx)
Pseudo-intellectual fraud, indeed. He never misses an opportunity to use a ten dollar word when a one dollar word will do, to show off his erudition and impress the dullards.
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 11:45 AM (sdi6R)
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good morning morons. Obama ate a dog.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 26, 2018 11:42 AM (KWnR1)
Is dog penis considered a delicacy in the Muslim world? I'm sure it is in BO's world, since human penis is, too.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 26, 2018 11:42 AM (KWnR1)
Is dog penis considered a delicacy in the Muslim world? I'm sure it is in BO's world, since human penis is, too.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 26, 2018 11:46 AM (9BLnV)
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Watched the whole thing. Dyson and Goldberg were simply an embarrassment. Dyson mentioned his own book a few times and asked Peterson to flack for it on his twitter because he was the powerful one. Envy is not attractive. Goldberg was just stupid. Steve Fry started slowly, establishing his classical liberal bona fides, keeping on track, and then ending big with humor.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2018 11:48 AM (MIKMs)
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Put a big pair of glasses on Michelle Goldberg and she'd look like Edna Mode from the Incredibles.
Posted by: Hands at May 26, 2018 11:49 AM (EzdLW)
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I found the debate almost entirely predictable and uninteresting (with the usual bouts of irritation over the monotony and dishonesty with which the Left "debates). I don't know why our side doesn't just open and close such debates with the simple observation that PC is a Maoist (i.e., totalitarian) creation so how could it possible be a social good? Anyway, I was also irritated by Jordan Peterson's concessionary insistence that Nazism is a product of the "far right." Please read Dinesh D'Souza, Dr. Peterson.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 26, 2018 11:49 AM (H8QX8)
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13 I want to wish Presdent Obama a "Happy Memorial Day" and thank him for taking care of are vets and not starting any stupid wars like Trump has.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien
Usually, I just smile at Mary's stupid posts.
So, unusually, this one makes me want to smack Mary upside the head with a big wet tuna. (Modified from what I was going to say.) SPLABPT!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien
Usually, I just smile at Mary's stupid posts.
So, unusually, this one makes me want to smack Mary upside the head with a big wet tuna. (Modified from what I was going to say.) SPLABPT!
Posted by: mindful webworker runs out of coffee at May 26, 2018 11:50 AM (XqXVp)
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Watched the debate. Very poor choice of people to take the affirmative position. Neither of them really wanted to deal with the meat. Peterson and Fry were good, but failed to present what is going on across the country including violence and de-platforming of non-PC views. It was quite clear that Dyson felt intellectually inferior to Peterson. Dyson is clearly racist. He made a bizarre point that people weren't used to dealing with smart black men like him. Hmmmm. I deal with smarter black men than him every day. I call them my neighbors and coworkers. Dyson plays only one note and its flat--his experience as a black man trumps all. I was disappointed that Peterson did not say that because he bucked insane PC rules, he was threatened with the loss of employment, prison, and being branded a pariah. He gave a speech a few weeks ago where an arrested protester was found to have a garrote. Goldberg clearly lacked any kind of intellect to have the debate. Peterson kept hammering on a simple question; when has the left gone too far? But his framing of the debate required people understanding that PC was invented by the neo-Marxists to control debate. But the real problem was that neither Dyson or Goldberg could actually defend their position. Stephen Fry was excellent on many levels.
Posted by: IanDeal at May 26, 2018 11:50 AM (5mrLG)
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The slavery thing deeply confuses me. Slavery officially ended in the UK in 1833. In the US, it was abolished in 1865.
So when these idiots talk about slavery for 400 years, what the hell are they talking about? The Americas weren't even discovered by Europeans until 1498 (the islands in 1492 don't really count but even if they did, that's still not 400 years and there were no black slaves around then). The first slave on US soil was not until 1619. Where does this 400 years thing come from?
My guess is its from the Hebrews being enslaved in Egypt 400 years and just borrowing that number to apply to themselves by blacks in America. It sounds impressive, but its without merit. I mean, America abolished Slavery 89 years after the Declaration of Independence.
So when these idiots talk about slavery for 400 years, what the hell are they talking about? The Americas weren't even discovered by Europeans until 1498 (the islands in 1492 don't really count but even if they did, that's still not 400 years and there were no black slaves around then). The first slave on US soil was not until 1619. Where does this 400 years thing come from?
My guess is its from the Hebrews being enslaved in Egypt 400 years and just borrowing that number to apply to themselves by blacks in America. It sounds impressive, but its without merit. I mean, America abolished Slavery 89 years after the Declaration of Independence.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 11:50 AM (39g3+)
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Welp, I better get back out there and finish mowing before I get too comfortable in here and don't want to go back Outside.
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 11:51 AM (sdi6R)
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Moar Peterson: https://youtu.be/hHXi9g54v7Y
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 11:52 AM (+Tibp)
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I am not a master debater, but I think that Jordan Peterson needs to avoid getting set off. He has mentioned, in other venues, that he knows this. It is usually the better choice to defuse, and if you can't find the words for that, then say you are at a loss for words, which is God's honest truth, or remain quiet, which is also truth.
Posted by: m at May 26, 2018 11:53 AM (0bRDi)
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Heck importing slaves into the US was passed in 1807, that's just 31 years after the declaration of independence, and technically the USA wasn't even its own nation until 1781. How the hell does anyone trot out this 400 years thing??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 11:54 AM (39g3+)
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While waiting to board my flight here in Phoenix I just saw a headline of a local business paper. Amazon Plans 1500 Jobs for Phoenix.
Bwahahaha!!!
Hey Seattle, how many of them were yours?
Bwahahaha!!!
Hey Seattle, how many of them were yours?
Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2018 11:55 AM (r74Oi)
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Be It Resolved, What You Call Political Correctness, I Call Progress
Even the wording of this "resolution" lacks clarity of language. The word "call". Well, yes, it is true that some call it Political Correctness and some call it Progress. Some could call it a ham sandwich. Some could call it shit and some could call it shinola.
Be It Resolved, What You Call Political Correctness, I Call Progress
Even the wording of this "resolution" lacks clarity of language. The word "call". Well, yes, it is true that some call it Political Correctness and some call it Progress. Some could call it a ham sandwich. Some could call it shit and some could call it shinola.
Posted by: Hands at May 26, 2018 11:56 AM (EzdLW)
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I watch one video of Peterson, now my YT homepage shows me nothing but Peterson videos.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 11:59 AM (+Tibp)
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Professor Peterson should just reference Kanye West's statement regarding slavery.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at May 26, 2018 11:59 AM (rdl6o)
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Boulder t'hobo #24: ...Obama ate a dog.
AoSHQ style guide suggests that we don't know if BO ate a whole dog, nor whether it was only one dog. So the "a" modifier should be dropped. As in:
The stammering, venomous, jug-eared, limp-wristed, mincing, traitorous, c*cks*ck!ng, musloid, America-hating commie bastard son of commies and perverts ate dog.
AoSHQ style guide suggests that we don't know if BO ate a whole dog, nor whether it was only one dog. So the "a" modifier should be dropped. As in:
The stammering, venomous, jug-eared, limp-wristed, mincing, traitorous, c*cks*ck!ng, musloid, America-hating commie bastard son of commies and perverts ate dog.
Posted by: mindful webworker - stylin' moronically at May 26, 2018 12:00 PM (XqXVp)
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So when these idiots talk about slavery for 400 years, what the hell are they talking about?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 11:50 AM (39g3+)
You can't admit that blacks are still slaves to this very day! The fact that you lie about this scientific fact is a micro aggression and proof of your White privilege. You are also a mean White Man! (Bends over, places head between legs and kisses own ass).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 11:50 AM (39g3+)
You can't admit that blacks are still slaves to this very day! The fact that you lie about this scientific fact is a micro aggression and proof of your White privilege. You are also a mean White Man! (Bends over, places head between legs and kisses own ass).
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 26, 2018 12:00 PM (9BLnV)
Posted by: #Fakenews at May 26, 2018 12:01 PM (10vO4)
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Dyson is so pretentious.
Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at May 26, 2018 12:01 PM (Un5mv)
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Expecting clarity of ideas in a "discussion" is a clear sign of oppressive #WhitePrivilege. Just like expecting words to have an enduring meaning that could be looked up in a commonly available reference (like a dictionary).
BTW, I think the four hundred years of slavery is counted from 1619 Jamestown to today because #WhitePrivilege is still enslaving the black man (and maybe the black woman as well). Always found it rather sad that the fact that the muz are still conducting slave auctions doesn't even seem to come up in the discussion. I guess #muzPrivilege is a potentially divisive topic.
BTW, I think the four hundred years of slavery is counted from 1619 Jamestown to today because #WhitePrivilege is still enslaving the black man (and maybe the black woman as well). Always found it rather sad that the fact that the muz are still conducting slave auctions doesn't even seem to come up in the discussion. I guess #muzPrivilege is a potentially divisive topic.
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 26, 2018 12:01 PM (n9EOP)
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Slavery is as old as human existence, not totally gone either.
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2018 12:02 PM (aC6Sd)
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One thing that struck me, both from the false quote and the debate in general, was the demonstration, once again, of how little the Left cares about clarity of language.
One mistake that us right-wingers tend to make about the commies is to think that they're dumb, ignorant or misinformed. I fall into that trap all the time. They know damned well what we are, what our arguments are, and what their own arguments are.
Clarity of language is no different.
They obfuscate the language not because they don't understand the arguments, but as a TACTIC. The willful ignorance of say, gun terminology, is a conscious decision in order to manipulate the audience. In that case, they've been quite open about their intent to blur the distinction between terms in order to achieve a rhetorical goal.
One thing that struck me, both from the false quote and the debate in general, was the demonstration, once again, of how little the Left cares about clarity of language.
One mistake that us right-wingers tend to make about the commies is to think that they're dumb, ignorant or misinformed. I fall into that trap all the time. They know damned well what we are, what our arguments are, and what their own arguments are.
Clarity of language is no different.
They obfuscate the language not because they don't understand the arguments, but as a TACTIC. The willful ignorance of say, gun terminology, is a conscious decision in order to manipulate the audience. In that case, they've been quite open about their intent to blur the distinction between terms in order to achieve a rhetorical goal.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2018 12:04 PM (XWkhW)
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So when these idiots talk about slavery for 400 years, what the hell are they talking about?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Math and facts are white constructs meant to support the self-perpetuating white privilege patriarchy.
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Math and facts are white constructs meant to support the self-perpetuating white privilege patriarchy.
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 12:04 PM (+Tibp)
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Posted by: mindful webworker - stylin' moronically at May 26, 2018 12:00 PM (XqXVp)
Thank you, I always find that clearly written topical sentences help to make the finer grammatical points far easier to understand!
Thank you, I always find that clearly written topical sentences help to make the finer grammatical points far easier to understand!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 26, 2018 12:05 PM (n9EOP)
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That Dyson feller can sure use his tongue purtier than a $20 whore, still don't mean he ain't a ******.
Posted by: Mr. Taggart at May 26, 2018 12:05 PM (B/2Ej)
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You can't "debate" insanity and childish denial.
Leftists will continue to tell their fairy tales despite an entire universe of facts that completely discredit their assumptions.
In Dyson's case, he has to sell the hell out of his racial injustice snake oil, or be lumped in with the rest of the booger-eaters trying to scratch out a living the hard way.
Leftists will continue to tell their fairy tales despite an entire universe of facts that completely discredit their assumptions.
In Dyson's case, he has to sell the hell out of his racial injustice snake oil, or be lumped in with the rest of the booger-eaters trying to scratch out a living the hard way.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at May 26, 2018 12:06 PM (2wOtx)
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Dyson is so pretentious.
Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at May 26, 2018 12:01 PM (Un5mv)
He should go back to what he's best at. Making things that suck.
Dyson is so pretentious.
Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at May 26, 2018 12:01 PM (Un5mv)
He should go back to what he's best at. Making things that suck.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2018 12:06 PM (XWkhW)
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Milady read my comment above — "stammering, venomous, jug-eared, limp-wristed, mincing, traitorous, c*cks*ck!ng, musloid, America-hating commie bastard son of commies and perverts" — and noted, "and none of that is exaggeration!"
Ain't it the sad, sad truth!
Ain't it the sad, sad truth!
Posted by: mindful webworker - truth has consequences at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (XqXVp)
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Kevin D Williamson is a coward. Trump was elected for one reason: illegal immigration. People were sick of being called "racists" for objecting to the open border demands of Republican Big Business for low-wage slave labor and Democrat government bureaucrats for voting welfare clients. Illegal immigration is where the $$money$$ is.
But he can't directly make an argument for open borders because it would make him sound like the shill for corporate globalism that he is.
So he looks down his nose at cops and the military, and hides like a coward behind vague bullshit terms like "populist nationalist tendency," and "white underclass dysfunction," and hopes it might get him the David Brooks gig at The New York Times.
https://nypost.com/2018/05/26/the-nfl-was-political-spectacle-long-before-kaepernick/
But he can't directly make an argument for open borders because it would make him sound like the shill for corporate globalism that he is.
So he looks down his nose at cops and the military, and hides like a coward behind vague bullshit terms like "populist nationalist tendency," and "white underclass dysfunction," and hopes it might get him the David Brooks gig at The New York Times.
https://nypost.com/2018/05/26/the-nfl-was-political-spectacle-long-before-kaepernick/
Posted by: marcus gravey at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (T8/UU)
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I just get so tired of this so-called debate. There is no debate. We're dealing with religious zealots here. They don't want to hear what you have to say. They have a gospel they're preaching, and that gospel is all about you and what you did. To them.
I'm beginning to accept that there are people I like who belong to that religion. I like them when they're not preaching their gospel. I tolerate them (sometimes) when they are. What that gospel translates to in actual living, I'm more or less of the belief it doesn't. They have to say it, like a strong swig of beer or soda has to cause them to burp.
In other words, if the subject matter does not involve "what's wrong with the world," and not every subject matter must, these are tolerable people. When it does, you just have to listen to them burp up their "white men are to blame" nonsense for a while. Then when they stop, it's time to carry on as if nothing happened. Because really, nothing did.
I'm beginning to accept that there are people I like who belong to that religion. I like them when they're not preaching their gospel. I tolerate them (sometimes) when they are. What that gospel translates to in actual living, I'm more or less of the belief it doesn't. They have to say it, like a strong swig of beer or soda has to cause them to burp.
In other words, if the subject matter does not involve "what's wrong with the world," and not every subject matter must, these are tolerable people. When it does, you just have to listen to them burp up their "white men are to blame" nonsense for a while. Then when they stop, it's time to carry on as if nothing happened. Because really, nothing did.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
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"the coast is clear" (allegedly) arose from the need to check the ocean horizon for the Barbary pirates in their "swift boats", before proceeding down to the beach.
and when do I get my reparations from Germany, since my family escaped being used as cannon fodder in the mid 1800's. There is a letter from some relatives that didn't make it, pleading for even a little money to help them survive the hard times in Germany.
Trying to impose current (Western, welfare/bailout state, racial quota laws) norms into historical rhetoric from two centuries ago is a fool's errand. It's like asking why Columbus didn't just use his Google maps ap on his ipad to chart his course.
And to go back even further, to the time of Christ or the old testament, requires even more ability to realize mere survival was never a given, and being lorded over by corrupt powers was pretty normal. Sure the king might rape and murder on a whim, but if a family was lucky, at least he kept the mongrel hordes at bay. Life was cheap.
From some things I read by Vox Day (brought to my attention by some AoS commenter), Peterson is no academic on his now popular subject. I haven't read enough of Peterson to analyze, and am no academic myself. But the Vox Day commentary on him is interesting. Peterson seems to have globalist connections, and globalist friendly ideals.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/two-reports-one-shill.html
and when do I get my reparations from Germany, since my family escaped being used as cannon fodder in the mid 1800's. There is a letter from some relatives that didn't make it, pleading for even a little money to help them survive the hard times in Germany.
Trying to impose current (Western, welfare/bailout state, racial quota laws) norms into historical rhetoric from two centuries ago is a fool's errand. It's like asking why Columbus didn't just use his Google maps ap on his ipad to chart his course.
And to go back even further, to the time of Christ or the old testament, requires even more ability to realize mere survival was never a given, and being lorded over by corrupt powers was pretty normal. Sure the king might rape and murder on a whim, but if a family was lucky, at least he kept the mongrel hordes at bay. Life was cheap.
From some things I read by Vox Day (brought to my attention by some AoS commenter), Peterson is no academic on his now popular subject. I haven't read enough of Peterson to analyze, and am no academic myself. But the Vox Day commentary on him is interesting. Peterson seems to have globalist connections, and globalist friendly ideals.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/two-reports-one-shill.html
Posted by: illiniwek at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (bT8Z4)
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42 Moar Peterson: https://youtu.be/hHXi9g54v7Y
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 11:52 AM (+Tibp)
Good clip.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 11:52 AM (+Tibp)
Good clip.
Posted by: m at May 26, 2018 12:08 PM (0bRDi)
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To paraphrase Elaine Benes: These leftists aren't debate-worthy.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 26, 2018 12:08 PM (H8QX8)
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They know damned well what we are, what our arguments are, and what their own arguments are.
Not usually. There are leftists who do but for the most part, leftists are like any other group repeating what they've heard or read and agree with, without thinking about it. Most leftists have not really ever engaged any on the right, and aren't even aware there are other arguments. They're so steeped in the sewer of like-thinking people without any dissent that they are wholly unprepared to discuss or debate.
Further, they have never been trained to thing rationally and with any sort of system or rhetorical consistency. This is a skill you have to learn, but which is not taught because it is too "white" and frankly because it leads people to reject the continual contradictions and insanity of the left.
The reason this seems clever to you is because of two things:
1) they are so irrational and unable to think systematically and intelligently that they seem tricky and are frustrating
2) they are trained by the few people who do know better and thought this stuff through to use words incorrectly. This allows them to shape the debate by banning some terms and concepts and manipulating others to their benefit.
Its not that they know or understand. Its that they have been taught by people who did, even if the teaching is just culture.
Leftism is the worldview of the infantile and uncivilized, it fits what we wish to feel to be true, without all that unpleasant questioning, doubting, and thinking.
Not usually. There are leftists who do but for the most part, leftists are like any other group repeating what they've heard or read and agree with, without thinking about it. Most leftists have not really ever engaged any on the right, and aren't even aware there are other arguments. They're so steeped in the sewer of like-thinking people without any dissent that they are wholly unprepared to discuss or debate.
Further, they have never been trained to thing rationally and with any sort of system or rhetorical consistency. This is a skill you have to learn, but which is not taught because it is too "white" and frankly because it leads people to reject the continual contradictions and insanity of the left.
The reason this seems clever to you is because of two things:
1) they are so irrational and unable to think systematically and intelligently that they seem tricky and are frustrating
2) they are trained by the few people who do know better and thought this stuff through to use words incorrectly. This allows them to shape the debate by banning some terms and concepts and manipulating others to their benefit.
Its not that they know or understand. Its that they have been taught by people who did, even if the teaching is just culture.
Leftism is the worldview of the infantile and uncivilized, it fits what we wish to feel to be true, without all that unpleasant questioning, doubting, and thinking.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:09 PM (39g3+)
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It's funny that Trump has done more for the black community in his 17 months than 50+ years of Democrat paternalism.
Also, TCM is running old war movies all day. Nice.
Also, TCM is running old war movies all day. Nice.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 12:10 PM (+Tibp)
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In other words, if the subject matter does not involve "what's wrong with the world," and not every subject matter must, these are tolerable people.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
It's tough when they are family members.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
It's tough when they are family members.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 26, 2018 12:10 PM (H8QX8)
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I watched the whole thing. My big takeaway was that Dyson is a complete charlatan.
He's used to spouting Big Words to undergrads and cannot hold his own against mature thinkers. And to see him lose control when Peterson challenged him was instructive: When the left loses a fair argument they start shouting...and eventually worse.
He's used to spouting Big Words to undergrads and cannot hold his own against mature thinkers. And to see him lose control when Peterson challenged him was instructive: When the left loses a fair argument they start shouting...and eventually worse.
Posted by: PJ at May 26, 2018 12:11 PM (qlTN9)
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[not adding anything]
dyson?... dyson?... dyson - oh, that guy. part of that first crop of ivy league black studies stars who arose in the 90's to explain how america = racism. holder is part of that academically accomplished cohort.
i heard dyson on his radio show by chance interview jay-z as the greatest living genius in the world. he meant it, which demonstrates:
- he knows nothing about genius.
- he is utterly provincial.
dyson?... dyson?... dyson - oh, that guy. part of that first crop of ivy league black studies stars who arose in the 90's to explain how america = racism. holder is part of that academically accomplished cohort.
i heard dyson on his radio show by chance interview jay-z as the greatest living genius in the world. he meant it, which demonstrates:
- he knows nothing about genius.
- he is utterly provincial.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 26, 2018 12:12 PM (Pg+x7)
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Common knowledge here at AoSHQ but worth repeating in these troubled times:
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there, now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck"!"
Robert A Heinlein
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there, now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck"!"
Robert A Heinlein
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 26, 2018 12:12 PM (n9EOP)
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Dyson is a classic example of a Sophist: someone trained in the art of making impressive sounding statements and speeches which have no foundation in truth, reason, or logic, and which appeal to the emotion. Sophists used to literally travel around and debate things or give speeches for a living. They would be given a topic, didn't matter what it was, and argue for that topic.
Sophistry is built around emotional appeal and making people impressed with what you sound like and seem to know rather than actual content and meaning. It was despised by Platonic students, considered trash thinking.
Sophistry is built around emotional appeal and making people impressed with what you sound like and seem to know rather than actual content and meaning. It was despised by Platonic students, considered trash thinking.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:12 PM (39g3+)
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A thank you to Ace and the co-bloggers for the excellent daily content. May you all have a safe Memorial Day weekend.
Posted by: Octopussy at May 26, 2018 12:13 PM (Y5smy)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 26, 2018 12:14 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2018 12:14 PM (EoRCO)
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Sophist, yes, fits him to a T.
Posted by: PJ at May 26, 2018 12:14 PM (qlTN9)
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Re: Peterson. Watched a bunch of videos of him. Some good, some mildly interesting, some not so much. Subscribed to his vids and started a playlist and then just got burned out on him and went cold turkey. Don't especially feel any loss from that. Increasingly, I feel how short is life and how precious is time.
And yet I keep watching Arrow!
I never claimed to be consistent.
And yet I keep watching Arrow!
I never claimed to be consistent.
Posted by: mindful webworker - vid playlist blog linked here at May 26, 2018 12:14 PM (XqXVp)
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"OK, I'm a mean white man. And you're an imbecillic mullatto. Now can we carry on with the debate, or are we going to make more trite, obvious observations about each other?"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:15 PM (BRvh1)
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Posted by: Octopussy
I second that. And as I mentioned on a previous thread, I shall reread Ace's Money for Sex Skankathon in the side bar. Treat yourself to some vintage Ace.
I second that. And as I mentioned on a previous thread, I shall reread Ace's Money for Sex Skankathon in the side bar. Treat yourself to some vintage Ace.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2018 12:16 PM (+Tibp)
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Just checking, anyone know if Halper is no longer with us ? Leftists were worried his outing would be his demise.
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2018 12:16 PM (aC6Sd)
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Clarity of language is an obstruction to the left as they seek ever more power.
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned. at May 26, 2018 12:16 PM (IcT7t)
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Just checking, anyone know if Halper is no longer with us?
Who knows? He hasn't been seen or heard from for over a year. Lots of speculation but nobody knows except perhaps some at the FBI or CIA.
Who knows? He hasn't been seen or heard from for over a year. Lots of speculation but nobody knows except perhaps some at the FBI or CIA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:18 PM (39g3+)
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It's so obvious what's going on with the left. They suffer from a (justified) inferiority complex. This makes them angry, and they try to displace the true cause of it by claiming it is the fault of those who arouse their envy, like fugly feminists who accuse fashion models of creating "impossible standards" of beauty and thus oppressing women. Envious people who lack self-reflection are just tiresome. The problem is that now they feel no need for self restraint and are morphing into a brownshirt mob.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:18 PM (/qEW2)
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Anyway, I was also irritated by Jordan Peterson's concessionary insistence that Nazism is a product of the "far right." Please read Dinesh D'Souza, Dr. Peterson.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 26, 2018 11:49 AM (H8QX
The Leftist being allowed to claim that Nazism (i.e., National Socialism) and Fascism (proclaimed by Mussolini as a "Third Way" and alternate choice besides Capitalism and Socialism) is maddening to me. If you don't believe in the primacy of the individual but rather that government should interfere and redistribute wealth, you are a Leftist. Collectivism is NOT charity.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 26, 2018 11:49 AM (H8QX
The Leftist being allowed to claim that Nazism (i.e., National Socialism) and Fascism (proclaimed by Mussolini as a "Third Way" and alternate choice besides Capitalism and Socialism) is maddening to me. If you don't believe in the primacy of the individual but rather that government should interfere and redistribute wealth, you are a Leftist. Collectivism is NOT charity.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 26, 2018 12:18 PM (5Yee7)
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I don't know how often they have the Munk debates, but Steyn and Farage against some open borders duo was excellent. They did not win, but moved the needle to their side bigly.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (MIKMs)
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It's tough when they are family members.
Last time my sister was down here from Colorado, we were getting along like two amicable grown adult siblings, when suddenly she launched into how good Jane Fonda was looking.
Out of respect for the edicts of our mother, at whose house we were, I left the room rather than start yelling about how most folks (read: Morons) with whom I correspond would stand in line to piss on Fonda's grave.
We also don't talk about Trump lest Sis turn purple with rage.
Nice weather we're having, isn't it‽
Last time my sister was down here from Colorado, we were getting along like two amicable grown adult siblings, when suddenly she launched into how good Jane Fonda was looking.
Out of respect for the edicts of our mother, at whose house we were, I left the room rather than start yelling about how most folks (read: Morons) with whom I correspond would stand in line to piss on Fonda's grave.
We also don't talk about Trump lest Sis turn purple with rage.
Nice weather we're having, isn't it‽
Posted by: mindful webworker - the price of family peace at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (XqXVp)
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It's so obvious what's going on with the left. They suffer from a (justified) inferiority complex.
Whatever it once was, the left has simply become a bunch of whiny people who feel small and abused lashing out trying to gain power and happiness through crushing everyone else. Every single leftist group is made up of people who feel bad about themselves, angry over perceived slights, and bitter that their life isn't turning out the way they think they are owed.
Whatever it once was, the left has simply become a bunch of whiny people who feel small and abused lashing out trying to gain power and happiness through crushing everyone else. Every single leftist group is made up of people who feel bad about themselves, angry over perceived slights, and bitter that their life isn't turning out the way they think they are owed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (39g3+)
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Once again, I'm reminded of Warai-otoko's second maxim of debate:
"Nuh-uh" is not a valid argument.
"Nuh-uh" is not a valid argument.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (BRvh1)
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Did Peterson mention that the only reason Dyson can get away with boorish, obtuse behavior is because of black privilege? I think many white liberals pity blacks and will thus refrain from correcting them or reining them in, institutionally. So, for instance, whatever school he's at will not censure him for his remarks.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:21 PM (/qEW2)
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Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:21 PM (/qEW2)
Soft bigotry. Low expectations. Where have I heard that before?
hmm....
Soft bigotry. Low expectations. Where have I heard that before?
hmm....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:22 PM (BRvh1)
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I got your "white privilege". Right here...
Posted by: tu3031 at May 26, 2018 12:22 PM (O5Q3r)
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They did not win, but moved the needle to their side bigly.
In a debate, that is a win, no matter what the judges declare.
In a debate, that is a win, no matter what the judges declare.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:23 PM (39g3+)
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... oh yeah, i remember why i wandered over here - i wanted to cite a review of the hbo documentary "the final year" on the last year of obama's foreign policy team (obama, kerry. powers, rhodes, et al). scott johnson's review at power line contains this line, which is oddly appropriate here:
"only 90 minutes long, the film began to grate as we rounded the corner into minute 2."
"only 90 minutes long, the film began to grate as we rounded the corner into minute 2."
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 26, 2018 12:25 PM (Pg+x7)
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Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:21 PM (/qEW2)
Behold the principle of #AssymetricPrivilege!
Behold the principle of #AssymetricPrivilege!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 26, 2018 12:25 PM (n9EOP)
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The modern left seems driven largely by feelings of guilt that they blame everyone outside of them for rather than what they are doing, combined with a deep sense of personal inferiority and anger that they don't get what they think they deserve out of life.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:26 PM (39g3+)
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... i thought that was funny wordsmithery.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 26, 2018 12:27 PM (Pg+x7)
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I keep seeing the media refer to David Hogg as "Parkland shooting survivor"...wasn't he at home when the shooting happened?
Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2018 12:28 PM (0+nbW)
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The left seems to be a few groups:
1) People who engage in abnormal behavior, feel guilty and weird about it, and believe that if everyone was forced to be nice to them and treat them as if they are normal they'd feel good about themselves finally.
2) People who never get what they think they should and feel bad about themselves, so they blame everyone else for that feeling and demand that everyone grovel in obeisance and apology so they feel better.
3) Leaders who want to weaponize all this so that they can gain power and money to enjoy all the benefits of modern society and economy while ripping down everything that produces those benefits.
1) People who engage in abnormal behavior, feel guilty and weird about it, and believe that if everyone was forced to be nice to them and treat them as if they are normal they'd feel good about themselves finally.
2) People who never get what they think they should and feel bad about themselves, so they blame everyone else for that feeling and demand that everyone grovel in obeisance and apology so they feel better.
3) Leaders who want to weaponize all this so that they can gain power and money to enjoy all the benefits of modern society and economy while ripping down everything that produces those benefits.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:28 PM (39g3+)
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[iIt's so obvious what's going on with the left. They suffer from a (justified) inferiority complex. This makes them angry.... [and] now they feel no need for self restraint and are morphing into a brownshirt mob.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:18 PM (/qEW2)]
Hence, the campaign by Leftists to ban those firearms that would be best suited to defending yourself and family from said brownshirt mob. Their endgame is quite apparent.
MOLON LABE
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:18 PM (/qEW2)]
Hence, the campaign by Leftists to ban those firearms that would be best suited to defending yourself and family from said brownshirt mob. Their endgame is quite apparent.
MOLON LABE
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 26, 2018 12:29 PM (5Yee7)
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It's funny that Trump has done more for the black community in his 17 months than 50+ years of Democrat paternalism.
Did I really read in a previous thread that none other than Louis Farrakhan said something to this effect?
The Trump Effect continues to be jaw-droppingly astonishing.
Did I really read in a previous thread that none other than Louis Farrakhan said something to this effect?
The Trump Effect continues to be jaw-droppingly astonishing.
Posted by: mindful webworker - oh, so very tired of winning... NOT YET! at May 26, 2018 12:29 PM (XqXVp)
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I keep seeing the media refer to David Hogg as "Parkland shooting survivor"...wasn't he at home when the shooting happened?
Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2018 12:28 PM (0+nbW)
But I could have been at school, H8r!
Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2018 12:28 PM (0+nbW)
But I could have been at school, H8r!
Posted by: D Hogg at May 26, 2018 12:29 PM (n9EOP)
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It's so obvious what's going on with the left. They suffer from a (justified) inferiority complex.
In the Harper article "Who goes Nazi?", the author goes around a room of English people in ?1930?. It isn't explicitly said, but you could replace nazi with any ideology that requires a radical change. And anecdotally a small, unattractive man who isn't as bright as his occupation would imply is very susceptible.
So how to you help these people? Purely to the purpose of keeping them from forming a cartel and wrecking your country? I suspect Christianity is an possible solution. I am agnostic.
In the Harper article "Who goes Nazi?", the author goes around a room of English people in ?1930?. It isn't explicitly said, but you could replace nazi with any ideology that requires a radical change. And anecdotally a small, unattractive man who isn't as bright as his occupation would imply is very susceptible.
So how to you help these people? Purely to the purpose of keeping them from forming a cartel and wrecking your country? I suspect Christianity is an possible solution. I am agnostic.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2018 12:29 PM (rnAwa)
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So when these idiots talk about slavery for 400 years, what the hell are they talking about?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 11:50 AM (39g3+)
There are people who believe that Columbus brought slaves WITH him. So 1492+400=1892.
Also there are some idiots who believe that--because it's so overwhelmingly black--that they were the ORIGINAL inhabitants of Haiti. Alone among all the countries of the Caribbean, all the Amerindians were wiped out long ago.
Slavery existed in the United States for.....89 years. And it was a much discussed issue for all of that time--never was every white person on American soil on board with it....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 11:50 AM (39g3+)
There are people who believe that Columbus brought slaves WITH him. So 1492+400=1892.
Also there are some idiots who believe that--because it's so overwhelmingly black--that they were the ORIGINAL inhabitants of Haiti. Alone among all the countries of the Caribbean, all the Amerindians were wiped out long ago.
Slavery existed in the United States for.....89 years. And it was a much discussed issue for all of that time--never was every white person on American soil on board with it....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:29 PM (7uYFy)
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"Nuh-uh" is not a valid argument.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (BRvh1)
Although "I entirely reject your premise" should get used a *lot* more often.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (BRvh1)
Although "I entirely reject your premise" should get used a *lot* more often.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 26, 2018 12:30 PM (rp9xB)
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>>I keep seeing the media refer to David Hogg as "Parkland shooting survivor"...wasn't he at home when the shooting happened?
He was at school. Went home. Got a camera and came back.
He was that concerned for the safety of his classmates.
At least that was the last I read about it.
He was at school. Went home. Got a camera and came back.
He was that concerned for the safety of his classmates.
At least that was the last I read about it.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:31 PM (QmRgE)
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He was at school. Went home. Got a camera and came back.
He was that concerned for the safety of his classmates.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:31 PM (QmRgE)
Gonna save the day...w/a camera? I believe it.
He was that concerned for the safety of his classmates.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:31 PM (QmRgE)
Gonna save the day...w/a camera? I believe it.
Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2018 12:33 PM (0+nbW)
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90 Did Peterson mention that the only reason Dyson can get away with boorish, obtuse behavior is because of black privilege? I think many white liberals pity blacks and will thus refrain from correcting them or reining them in, institutionally. So, for instance, whatever school he's at will not censure him for his remarks.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:21 PM (/qEW2)
This.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:21 PM (/qEW2)
This.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:33 PM (G9//X)
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The other thing about the subject of slavery that bugs me is that it is treated like it ONLY existed in the U.S. It was the way of the world since the beginning of civilization.
What do these people think Julius Caesar did with the conquered white tribes of Gaul or Spain who survived the battles?
What do these people think Julius Caesar did with the conquered white tribes of Gaul or Spain who survived the battles?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:34 PM (7uYFy)
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Although "I entirely reject your premise" should get used a *lot* more often.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 26, 2018 12:30 PM (rp9xB)
Concur, but only for formal occasions. "Provably false" and then moving on saves time otherwise.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 26, 2018 12:30 PM (rp9xB)
Concur, but only for formal occasions. "Provably false" and then moving on saves time otherwise.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:34 PM (y87Qq)
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I keep seeing the media refer to David Hogg as "Parkland shooting survivor"...wasn't he at home when the shooting happened?
It seems like he was there, at the time. Not 100% clear of course. But he was a 'survivor' the same way I was a winning member of the Mariners when I watched Randy Johnson pitch a 19 strike out game against the White Sox in the Kingdome. He was present, a distance away from the actual events, in no danger.
It seems like he was there, at the time. Not 100% clear of course. But he was a 'survivor' the same way I was a winning member of the Mariners when I watched Randy Johnson pitch a 19 strike out game against the White Sox in the Kingdome. He was present, a distance away from the actual events, in no danger.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:34 PM (39g3+)
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"Nuh-uh" is not a valid argument.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (BRvh1)
You have to hold your hand up, move your head from side to side, and then say "Tell it to the hand," after saying "Nuh-uh," to make a valid argument.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (BRvh1)
You have to hold your hand up, move your head from side to side, and then say "Tell it to the hand," after saying "Nuh-uh," to make a valid argument.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:35 PM (G9//X)
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Concur, but only for formal occasions. "Provably false" and then moving on saves time otherwise.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:34 PM (y87Qq)
How about "risibly false?"
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:34 PM (y87Qq)
How about "risibly false?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (G9//X)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:26 PM (39g3+)
Yes. Combining an enormous sense of entitlement backed up by nothing but massive self-conceit leads to a dangerous paranoia when the rest of the world goes its uninterested way instead of providing what the person believes is owed them. It makes them easy tools for loosing on the chosen Emanuel Goldstein.
Yes. Combining an enormous sense of entitlement backed up by nothing but massive self-conceit leads to a dangerous paranoia when the rest of the world goes its uninterested way instead of providing what the person believes is owed them. It makes them easy tools for loosing on the chosen Emanuel Goldstein.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (rp9xB)
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I wouldn't know. Jordan deplaformed me.
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Posted by: Faith Goldy at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (nhgiS)
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I don't know how often they have the Munk debates, but Steyn and Farage against some open borders duo was excellent. They did not win, but moved the needle to their side bigly.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (MIKMs)
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According to wikipedia, they won bigly, by 22%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munk_Debates
Which doesn't surprise me. The debate happened in 2016 after Canada had its taste of terror attacks and Muzzies flooding across the border from New York. Even Justin Trudeau was smart enough to shut that down.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2018 12:20 PM (MIKMs)
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According to wikipedia, they won bigly, by 22%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munk_Debates
Which doesn't surprise me. The debate happened in 2016 after Canada had its taste of terror attacks and Muzzies flooding across the border from New York. Even Justin Trudeau was smart enough to shut that down.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (/qEW2)
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90 Did Peterson mention that the only reason Dyson can get away with boorish, obtuse behavior is because of black privilege? I think many white liberals pity blacks and will thus refrain from correcting them or reining them in, institutionally. So, for instance, whatever school he's at will not censure him for his remarks.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:21 PM (/qEW2)
It's almost as if people like Dyson are daring you to cite statistics that show the results of black crime, out-of-wedlock births, etc that explain why many blacks are where they are today.
So they can cal you a racist for just bringing it up.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 12:21 PM (/qEW2)
It's almost as if people like Dyson are daring you to cite statistics that show the results of black crime, out-of-wedlock births, etc that explain why many blacks are where they are today.
So they can cal you a racist for just bringing it up.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (7uYFy)
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What do these people think Julius Caesar did with the conquered white tribes of Gaul or Spain who survived the battles?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:34 PM (7uYFy)
What do these people think Muslims do today?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:34 PM (7uYFy)
What do these people think Muslims do today?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (G9//X)
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How about "risibly false?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (G9//X)
Love it!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (G9//X)
Love it!
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (y87Qq)
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Although "I entirely reject your premise" should get used a *lot* more often.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 26, 2018 12:30 PM (rp9xB)
Heh.
I remember one of the earlier episodes of Tucker Carlson's TV show, he was interviewing some crackpot who started saying things that were just demonstrably, obviously false, and Tucker eventually blurted out, "Well that's just stupid!"
So yeah, even though flat denial is "Not a valid argument", it is occasionally the right play i suppose.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 26, 2018 12:30 PM (rp9xB)
Heh.
I remember one of the earlier episodes of Tucker Carlson's TV show, he was interviewing some crackpot who started saying things that were just demonstrably, obviously false, and Tucker eventually blurted out, "Well that's just stupid!"
So yeah, even though flat denial is "Not a valid argument", it is occasionally the right play i suppose.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:37 PM (BRvh1)
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Heinlein's "Bad Luck" is what would have happened if they had succeeded in driving out Trump.
David Hogg was at school IIRC, and ran home and back to get his video camera. He wanted to interview people. So thoughtful and sensitive.
David Hogg was at school IIRC, and ran home and back to get his video camera. He wanted to interview people. So thoughtful and sensitive.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2018 12:38 PM (rnAwa)
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What do these people think Muslims do today?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (G9//X)
You enslaved an entire nation. You called it "Chad"...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:36 PM (G9//X)
You enslaved an entire nation. You called it "Chad"...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:38 PM (BRvh1)
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The other thing about the subject of slavery that bugs me is that it is treated like it ONLY existed in the U.S. It was the way of the world since the beginning of civilization.
Yeah, everybody enslaved everybody else. It was a matter of existence: just surviving took so much time and energy that the only way forward was to have people do at least some of the work for you. People had servants in their homes up into the early 20th century because washing dishes, cutting wood, cooking, prepping food, shopping, cleaning etc was so much work.
Imagine having no power, no gas, and no running water in your house. Forever. Now imagine how much work it would be just to make it through a single day, for the most basic tasks to survive.
Yeah, everybody enslaved everybody else. It was a matter of existence: just surviving took so much time and energy that the only way forward was to have people do at least some of the work for you. People had servants in their homes up into the early 20th century because washing dishes, cutting wood, cooking, prepping food, shopping, cleaning etc was so much work.
Imagine having no power, no gas, and no running water in your house. Forever. Now imagine how much work it would be just to make it through a single day, for the most basic tasks to survive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:38 PM (39g3+)
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Tried to watch that debate.
Failed.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 26, 2018 12:14 PM (oVJmc)
I have not even tried. As I know I'm considerably to the right of both Peterson and Fry, why bother?Peterson fights. That is what makes him interesting. Fry is mostly honest. I have not seen anything in the comments here that indicates I would have any interest in wasting my time on the other two.
Tried to watch that debate.
Failed.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 26, 2018 12:14 PM (oVJmc)
I have not even tried. As I know I'm considerably to the right of both Peterson and Fry, why bother?Peterson fights. That is what makes him interesting. Fry is mostly honest. I have not seen anything in the comments here that indicates I would have any interest in wasting my time on the other two.
Posted by: Off the reservation at May 26, 2018 12:38 PM (vWMNq)
Posted by: Off the reservation at May 26, 2018 12:39 PM (vWMNq)
Posted by: Off the reservation at May 26, 2018 12:40 PM (vWMNq)
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It makes them easy tools for loosing on the chosen Emanuel Goldstein.
Sadly. And there is a perpetual, consistent percentage of the population who will always be there to prey upon like this. People who achieve little and demand much, people who believe they are entitled to everything they won't or can't get themselves. People who think they deserve better but aren't inclined to take the effort to get it. They are easy to weaponize by the soulless, honorless, and wicked.
Sadly. And there is a perpetual, consistent percentage of the population who will always be there to prey upon like this. People who achieve little and demand much, people who believe they are entitled to everything they won't or can't get themselves. People who think they deserve better but aren't inclined to take the effort to get it. They are easy to weaponize by the soulless, honorless, and wicked.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:40 PM (39g3+)
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Why is it always these coffee colored assholes the ones squawking the loudest about their "blackness"?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:41 PM (BRvh1)
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99 The left seems to be a few groups:
1) People who engage in abnormal behavior, feel guilty and weird about it, and believe that if everyone was forced to be nice to them and treat them as if they are normal they'd feel good about themselves finally.
2) People who never get what they think they should and feel bad about themselves, so they blame everyone else for that feeling and demand that everyone grovel in obeisance and apology so they feel better.
3) Leaders who want to weaponize all this so that they can gain power and money to enjoy all the benefits of modern society and economy while ripping down everything that produces those benefits.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:28 PM (39g3+)
2.5) People who, with some justification, feel insignificant and ignored, who want to be associated with something larger than themselves so as to imbue themselves with some reflected significance and thereby gain attention.
A benign version of this is rabid fans of some sports team. The left provides a more malign version.
1) People who engage in abnormal behavior, feel guilty and weird about it, and believe that if everyone was forced to be nice to them and treat them as if they are normal they'd feel good about themselves finally.
2) People who never get what they think they should and feel bad about themselves, so they blame everyone else for that feeling and demand that everyone grovel in obeisance and apology so they feel better.
3) Leaders who want to weaponize all this so that they can gain power and money to enjoy all the benefits of modern society and economy while ripping down everything that produces those benefits.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:28 PM (39g3+)
2.5) People who, with some justification, feel insignificant and ignored, who want to be associated with something larger than themselves so as to imbue themselves with some reflected significance and thereby gain attention.
A benign version of this is rabid fans of some sports team. The left provides a more malign version.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:42 PM (G9//X)
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Did anyone else noticed Dyson's masturbatory rocking motions? That doesn't look disturbed, does it?
He's a psycho.
Did anyone else noticed Dyson's masturbatory rocking motions? That doesn't look disturbed, does it?
He's a psycho.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 26, 2018 12:42 PM (GdWl+)
Posted by: Off the reservation at May 26, 2018 12:42 PM (vWMNq)
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read this story a little while ago (the Atlantic):
My Family's Slave
She lived with us for 56 years. She raised me and my siblings without pay. I was 11, a typical American kid, before I realized who she was.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/kgzgutu
My Family's Slave
She lived with us for 56 years. She raised me and my siblings without pay. I was 11, a typical American kid, before I realized who she was.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/kgzgutu
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 26, 2018 12:43 PM (hMwEB)
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Proverbs 29 8 Scoffers set a city aflame, But wise men turn away wrath.
Scoffers are what we now call community agitators. Dyson and his ilk are nothing new, but are just as harmful as they always have been.
Scoffers are what we now call community agitators. Dyson and his ilk are nothing new, but are just as harmful as they always have been.
Posted by: Drive-by Bible Quoter at May 26, 2018 12:43 PM (juIfU)
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Imagine having no power, no gas, and no running water in your house. Forever. Now imagine how much work it would be just to make it through a single day, for the most basic tasks to survive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:38 PM (39g3+)
And slaves tended to be captured from conquests or raids. Enslaving them was the sane, rational, humane thing to do, because the alternative was mass executions.
Imagine having no power, no gas, and no running water in your house. Forever. Now imagine how much work it would be just to make it through a single day, for the most basic tasks to survive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:38 PM (39g3+)
And slaves tended to be captured from conquests or raids. Enslaving them was the sane, rational, humane thing to do, because the alternative was mass executions.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:43 PM (BRvh1)
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All I could here Dyson prattling "I'm black, I'm black, I'm black and you are white monsters".
The race huckster has only one idea, thinking and debating in good faith is beyond him. In future I will avoid him like the plague and so should every fair minded person.
The race huckster has only one idea, thinking and debating in good faith is beyond him. In future I will avoid him like the plague and so should every fair minded person.
Posted by: Decaf at May 26, 2018 12:43 PM (Jeu6Y)
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People who, with some justification, feel insignificant and ignored, who want to be associated with something larger than themselves so as to imbue themselves with some reflected significance and thereby gain attention.
I've seen several polls of young people and the results are remarkably consistent. Their dream is to be either famous themselves... or closely associated with someone famous - their entourage. That's the highest goal in their life, that's what they aspire to.
I've seen several polls of young people and the results are remarkably consistent. Their dream is to be either famous themselves... or closely associated with someone famous - their entourage. That's the highest goal in their life, that's what they aspire to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (39g3+)
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Oh, here's my letter to Publix after they caved to Das Hoggenfhurher -
Dear CEO of Publix,
As a 30-year customer of yours, I was very disappointed to hear of your submission to the far-left Marxist David Hogg's childish demands concerning your corporate political contributions. You would have gained much support had you instead issued a statement that your company would not cave in to his outrageous demands and that he has no right to dictate any of your company's policies. Understand that Hogg and his media handlers would gladly put your company out of business if they could.
He does not represent the majority view in any way. His efforts to destroy our legal and human rights are very offensive to me, as they should be to you.
The NRA is not responsible for any school shootings. Blaming the NRA is akin to blaming AAA for a car accident. We should no longer tolerate these senseless attacks orchestrated by our domestic enemies. You had a wonderful opportunity to stand up to these bullies, yet you failed to do so.
Hope Pixy's hamsters don't eat the formatting.
Oh, here's my letter to Publix after they caved to Das Hoggenfhurher -
Dear CEO of Publix,
As a 30-year customer of yours, I was very disappointed to hear of your submission to the far-left Marxist David Hogg's childish demands concerning your corporate political contributions. You would have gained much support had you instead issued a statement that your company would not cave in to his outrageous demands and that he has no right to dictate any of your company's policies. Understand that Hogg and his media handlers would gladly put your company out of business if they could.
He does not represent the majority view in any way. His efforts to destroy our legal and human rights are very offensive to me, as they should be to you.
The NRA is not responsible for any school shootings. Blaming the NRA is akin to blaming AAA for a car accident. We should no longer tolerate these senseless attacks orchestrated by our domestic enemies. You had a wonderful opportunity to stand up to these bullies, yet you failed to do so.
Hope Pixy's hamsters don't eat the formatting.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (GdWl+)
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Capitalism will save all people eventually. Eell, all people except for close minded fools, like Eric Dyson.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee drinker at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (iTqVJ)
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In other words, if the subject matter does not involve "what's wrong with the world," and not every subject matter must, these are tolerable people.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
It's tough when they are family members.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 26, 2018 12:10 PM (H8QX
Yep. Family members, colleagues, even people I consider friends.
I view it like they have an illness, which I genuinely believe they do. It's a burden they carry, and it's unpleasant to be around sometimes. I think they carry it, often, not because they are bad people, but because they have been exposed to a viral plague, and they were particularly susceptible to it when they were so exposed.
I don't hate them for it. I don't treat them unkindly for it.
Now the viral perpetrators, that's a different story. Those people should burn in hell... and they will.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2018 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
It's tough when they are family members.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 26, 2018 12:10 PM (H8QX
Yep. Family members, colleagues, even people I consider friends.
I view it like they have an illness, which I genuinely believe they do. It's a burden they carry, and it's unpleasant to be around sometimes. I think they carry it, often, not because they are bad people, but because they have been exposed to a viral plague, and they were particularly susceptible to it when they were so exposed.
I don't hate them for it. I don't treat them unkindly for it.
Now the viral perpetrators, that's a different story. Those people should burn in hell... and they will.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2018 12:45 PM (cY3LT)
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Why is it always these coffee colored assholes the ones squawking the loudest about their "blackness"?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:41 PM (BRvh1)
They don't start out coffee colored .But the more you start to sound like John Edwards the lighter you get.
Why is it always these coffee colored assholes the ones squawking the loudest about their "blackness"?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:41 PM (BRvh1)
They don't start out coffee colored .But the more you start to sound like John Edwards the lighter you get.
Posted by: #Fakenews at May 26, 2018 12:45 PM (10vO4)
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136 Their dream is to be either famous themselves... or closely associated with someone famous - their entourage.
It's what their boomer parents have cultivated in them since birth.
It's what their boomer parents have cultivated in them since birth.
Posted by: Off the reservation at May 26, 2018 12:45 PM (vWMNq)
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>>Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (GdWl+)
You forgot to tell them to suck your dick.
You forgot to tell them to suck your dick.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:46 PM (QmRgE)
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At the end of that sham debate the audience also decided that Dyson lost the plot. A greater percentage of the audience agreed with Jordan Peterson after the debate than before the debate.
Posted by: Decaf at May 26, 2018 12:47 PM (Jeu6Y)
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You forgot to tell them to suck your dick.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:46 PM (QmRgE)
Also important to heavily imply *when* to do so, i.e. before all other things.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:46 PM (QmRgE)
Also important to heavily imply *when* to do so, i.e. before all other things.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:47 PM (BRvh1)
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Just checking, anyone know if Halper is no longer with us?
Who knows? He hasn't been seen or heard from for over a year. Lots of speculation but nobody knows except perhaps some at the FBI or CIA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:18 PM (39g3+)
When Bill Casey was about to be questioned about Iran-Contra, he declined by having a fatal heart attack.
Let's see if Halper is that dedicated.
Who knows? He hasn't been seen or heard from for over a year. Lots of speculation but nobody knows except perhaps some at the FBI or CIA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:18 PM (39g3+)
When Bill Casey was about to be questioned about Iran-Contra, he declined by having a fatal heart attack.
Let's see if Halper is that dedicated.
Posted by: Miklos, wishing well at May 26, 2018 12:48 PM (zCyNd)
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>>Also important to heavily imply *when* to do so, i.e. before all other things.
If you are a slave to proper form, then yes.
If you are a slave to proper form, then yes.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:48 PM (QmRgE)
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I've seen several polls of young people and the results are remarkably consistent. Their dream is to be either famous themselves... or closely associated with someone famous - their entourage. That's the highest goal in their life, that's what they aspire to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (39g3+)
Exactly. I think that that's a big driver of leftist politics.
Which I do not understand. What I really want? To be left alone, in peace, to get on with my life. Ignore me. Please.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (39g3+)
Exactly. I think that that's a big driver of leftist politics.
Which I do not understand. What I really want? To be left alone, in peace, to get on with my life. Ignore me. Please.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:49 PM (G9//X)
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Garden NOOD.
Posted by: Weasel at May 26, 2018 12:49 PM (MVjcR)
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You forgot to tell them to suck your dick.
That privilege is accorded only to The Empress, under penalty of Ravage.
Or a box full of emu.
You forgot to tell them to suck your dick.
That privilege is accorded only to The Empress, under penalty of Ravage.
Or a box full of emu.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 26, 2018 12:49 PM (GdWl+)
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All I could here Dyson prattling "I'm black, I'm black, I'm black and you are white monsters".
Posted by: Decaf at May 26, 2018 12:43 PM (Jeu6Y)
Did he legit say, in so many words, that white people invented race? I backed it up and listened again and I could've sworn that's what he said. I couldn't find any larger context or anything to tie it to, like he could have just said it in a vacuum and believed it as a standalone statement. I could be wrong though!
That was the point that I stopped listening to any of the dumb words that came out of the mouth of his stupid ass-face and just skipped ahead to the Stephen Fry parts, which were basically the only reason I clicked the link in the first place.
Posted by: Decaf at May 26, 2018 12:43 PM (Jeu6Y)
Did he legit say, in so many words, that white people invented race? I backed it up and listened again and I could've sworn that's what he said. I couldn't find any larger context or anything to tie it to, like he could have just said it in a vacuum and believed it as a standalone statement. I could be wrong though!
That was the point that I stopped listening to any of the dumb words that came out of the mouth of his stupid ass-face and just skipped ahead to the Stephen Fry parts, which were basically the only reason I clicked the link in the first place.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:49 PM (y87Qq)
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If you are a slave to proper form, then yes.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:48 PM (QmRgE)
Without the style guide, all is lost.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:48 PM (QmRgE)
Without the style guide, all is lost.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:50 PM (BRvh1)
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'That privilege is accorded only to The Empress, under penalty of Ravage. '
MATCHBOX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiTPAyBsW-U
MATCHBOX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiTPAyBsW-U
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 12:50 PM (QmRgE)
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Question: at what point do we decide that blacks' failures are due to blacks' failings, and NOT due to the current laundry list of excuses?
And even more appositely, when do blacks reach that point?
And even more appositely, when do blacks reach that point?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (G9//X)
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The Gardening Thread is up. Or you can stick around here if you would like to.
Posted by: KT at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (BVQ+1)
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Did he legit say, in so many words, that white people invented race?
Why not? They invented everything else.
Did he legit say, in so many words, that white people invented race?
Why not? They invented everything else.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (IqV8l)
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Sophistry is built around emotional appeal and making people impressed with what you sound like and seem to know rather than actual content and meaning.
Hence, the ironic "sophisticated."
Hence, the ironic "sophisticated."
Posted by: mindful webworker - Humpty's Dictionary at May 26, 2018 12:52 PM (XqXVp)
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Them swarthy Greek homos stole melanin from Africa!!!
Posted by: The Rev. Al Sharpton! at May 26, 2018 12:53 PM (zCyNd)
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Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (G9//X)
That would be the point when white and blacks (and everyone else for that matter) realize that *A* black's failures are due to that persons failings alone.
Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is a nameless bastard. Or something like that.
That would be the point when white and blacks (and everyone else for that matter) realize that *A* black's failures are due to that persons failings alone.
Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is a nameless bastard. Or something like that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:53 PM (BRvh1)
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Did insomniac stop posting?
Posted by: kallisto at May 26, 2018 12:53 PM (oxpQH)
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BUT FIRST YOU WILL BLOW ME!
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at May 26, 2018 12:54 PM (rnAwa)
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Why not? They invented everything else.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (IqV8l)
Yeah, but white people were themselves invented by the black scientist Yakub 6,600 years ago, Quod Erat Demonfuckingstrandum.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (IqV8l)
Yeah, but white people were themselves invented by the black scientist Yakub 6,600 years ago, Quod Erat Demonfuckingstrandum.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:54 PM (y87Qq)
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Question: at what point do we decide that blacks' failures are due to blacks' failings, and NOT due to the current laundry list of excuses?
As soon as blacks start voting republican in significant numbers it will dawn on the media that blacks create their own problems
Question: at what point do we decide that blacks' failures are due to blacks' failings, and NOT due to the current laundry list of excuses?
As soon as blacks start voting republican in significant numbers it will dawn on the media that blacks create their own problems
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 26, 2018 12:55 PM (10vO4)
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Did insomniac stop posting?
Posted by: kallisto at May 26, 2018 12:53 PM (oxpQH)
Taking time off for personal reasons, last I heard. Going through some rough stuff and didn't want to mope around the threads. I think people have heard from him by email since.
Posted by: kallisto at May 26, 2018 12:53 PM (oxpQH)
Taking time off for personal reasons, last I heard. Going through some rough stuff and didn't want to mope around the threads. I think people have heard from him by email since.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:56 PM (y87Qq)
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/one of those two memes is my favorite.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2018 12:56 PM (rnAwa)
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dyson?... dyson?... dyson - oh, that guy. part of that first crop of ivy league black studies stars who arose in the 90's to explain how america = racism. holder is part of that academically accomplished cohort.
i heard dyson on his radio show by chance interview jay-z as the greatest living genius in the world. he meant it, which demonstrates:
- he knows nothing about genius.
- he is utterly provincial.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 26, 2018 12:12 PM (Pg+x7)
And 3 - he's black. Or mostly black.
i heard dyson on his radio show by chance interview jay-z as the greatest living genius in the world. he meant it, which demonstrates:
- he knows nothing about genius.
- he is utterly provincial.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 26, 2018 12:12 PM (Pg+x7)
And 3 - he's black. Or mostly black.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 26, 2018 12:56 PM (9BLnV)
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That would be the point when white and blacks (and everyone else for that matter) realize that *A* black's failures are due to that persons failings alone.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:53 PM (BRvh1)/i]
That would be the ideal, but we ARE talking about entire demographic groups here, thanks to the left.
So further to your point, at the same time whites and blacks would recognize that *A* white's success was due to his own efforts, and not to "white privilege."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:53 PM (BRvh1)/i]
That would be the ideal, but we ARE talking about entire demographic groups here, thanks to the left.
So further to your point, at the same time whites and blacks would recognize that *A* white's success was due to his own efforts, and not to "white privilege."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (G9//X)
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Question: at what point do we decide that blacks' failures are due to blacks' failings, and NOT due to the current laundry list of excuses?
And even more appositely, when do blacks reach that point?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (G9//X)
When the black middle class--and above, those who HAVE achieved ---stop feeling guilty about their own success and do something to help those others instead of blaming white people?
And even more appositely, when do blacks reach that point?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:51 PM (G9//X)
When the black middle class--and above, those who HAVE achieved ---stop feeling guilty about their own success and do something to help those others instead of blaming white people?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (7uYFy)
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If Black Americans ever began voting Republican in significant numbers, the Democrats would insist that their votes should only count as 3/5 of a vote.
Posted by: The Rev. Miklos at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (zCyNd)
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Yeah, but white people were themselves invented by the black scientist Yakub 6,600 years ago, Quod Erat Demonfuckingstrandum.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:54 PM (y87Qq)
So it's HIS fault!
Btw, where did Yakub publish his results? Did he perhaps write a review article I could read?
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 12:54 PM (y87Qq)
So it's HIS fault!
Btw, where did Yakub publish his results? Did he perhaps write a review article I could read?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:58 PM (G9//X)
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168 If Black Americans ever began voting Republican in significant numbers, the Democrats would insist that their votes should only count as 3/5 of a vote.
Posted by: The Rev. Miklos at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (zCyNd)
Well they already insist that a Republican vote counts as 0/5 of a vote, so that would kinda be a step up in a way...
Posted by: The Rev. Miklos at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (zCyNd)
Well they already insist that a Republican vote counts as 0/5 of a vote, so that would kinda be a step up in a way...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:59 PM (BRvh1)
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I've seen several polls of young people and the results are remarkably consistent. Their dream is to be either famous themselves... or closely associated with someone famous - their entourage. That's the highest goal in their life, that's what they aspire to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (39g3+)
Exactly. I think that that's a big driver of leftist politics.
Which I do not understand. What I really want? To be left alone, in peace, to get on with my life. Ignore me. Please.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:49 PM (G9//X)
Imagine if you were the type of person who has no self-confidence, has no way of gauging by looking inside yourself, whether you are moving in the right direction with your life or not.
Imagine if some group came along, and told you they could do all that for you. Not only that, they could explain how everything that's wrong in your world is the fault of some grand conspiracy, being perpetrated by those people who otherwise appear to be succeeding.
Their success is due to them holding you down.
It's a profoundly attractive argument, and if you have NOTHING inside of you that tells you who you are, what your worth is, there's almost no way to resist it.
If you have it inside you, you have no need for such nonsense.
That's one of our major dividing lines in this world. Those who do, and those who don't.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:44 PM (39g3+)
Exactly. I think that that's a big driver of leftist politics.
Which I do not understand. What I really want? To be left alone, in peace, to get on with my life. Ignore me. Please.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 12:49 PM (G9//X)
Imagine if you were the type of person who has no self-confidence, has no way of gauging by looking inside yourself, whether you are moving in the right direction with your life or not.
Imagine if some group came along, and told you they could do all that for you. Not only that, they could explain how everything that's wrong in your world is the fault of some grand conspiracy, being perpetrated by those people who otherwise appear to be succeeding.
Their success is due to them holding you down.
It's a profoundly attractive argument, and if you have NOTHING inside of you that tells you who you are, what your worth is, there's almost no way to resist it.
If you have it inside you, you have no need for such nonsense.
That's one of our major dividing lines in this world. Those who do, and those who don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2018 01:00 PM (cY3LT)
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1) Don't be a dick.
2) Some people are dicks.
3) Get over it.
I think that pretty much covers literally every socio-economic problem facing humanity today, or at least America. The rest is just details.
2) Some people are dicks.
3) Get over it.
I think that pretty much covers literally every socio-economic problem facing humanity today, or at least America. The rest is just details.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 01:03 PM (BRvh1)
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Well, just got the signal to get on with other things than hanging around the AoS water cooler with y'all.
Onward, full speed, through the fog....
Visit my blog. Hit the donation button. I still don't know if it works. :/
Onward, full speed, through the fog....
Visit my blog. Hit the donation button. I still don't know if it works. :/
Posted by: mindful webworker - on with the show! at May 26, 2018 01:05 PM (XqXVp)
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"Significant numbers" of blacks voting GOP - or even just not voting, if they were regular voters - would spell doom for the Dems. Their coastal/urban status would be further emphasized, and even that would shrink a bit.
Trump's approval #s with blacks, esp. black males, are quite ominous (among other ominous things) for the Dems.
Farrakhan jumping aboard the Trump train is most of all amusing, given his whackjob racist fringe status. But it might, *might* be another indicator. If his posturing is in any way related to rumblings from below ......
Trump's approval #s with blacks, esp. black males, are quite ominous (among other ominous things) for the Dems.
Farrakhan jumping aboard the Trump train is most of all amusing, given his whackjob racist fringe status. But it might, *might* be another indicator. If his posturing is in any way related to rumblings from below ......
Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2018 01:06 PM (QDnY+)
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"how little the Left cares about clarity of language"
Oh they care a lot. They are masters of deceptive labeling, categorization and goal-post moving. You call it a bug, they call it a feature. Review the NewSpeak material in the novel 1984.
Oh they care a lot. They are masters of deceptive labeling, categorization and goal-post moving. You call it a bug, they call it a feature. Review the NewSpeak material in the novel 1984.
Posted by: gp at May 26, 2018 01:06 PM (mk9aG)
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and that to ask for specifics, actual points that might be discussed and tested, is itself a sign of "white privilege," especially when such questions are asked with "lethal intensity."
Kafkatrap!
========
The notion of "systemic" or societal wrongdoing is bullshit. The only way to assess wrongdoing is on an individual, case by case basis.
If there is widespread wrongdoing that conforms to a pattern, you've still got to address it on a case by case basis. If you try to address it in general terms, you end up with a cure that is worse than the disease.
And the beneficiaries continue on to be whiny, ungrateful dishonest hucksters who try to prolong the claims of grievances. So for instance, feminists complaining about the higher cost of clothes and lack of free birth control.
It's tempting to say that any injustices against particular "groups" should have been allowed to go on. If you knew that Dahmer were unjustly accused of a particular murder, it might be better to let that injustice happen and do nothing, since if he's released, you know he'll be free to murder other people. What's the use of "group" justice if that group will act worse than the so called "oppressors" (who were morally sensitive enough to give the group a hearing in the first place)?
These are the dark thoughts that leftists have been causing me to think lately.
Kafkatrap!
========
The notion of "systemic" or societal wrongdoing is bullshit. The only way to assess wrongdoing is on an individual, case by case basis.
If there is widespread wrongdoing that conforms to a pattern, you've still got to address it on a case by case basis. If you try to address it in general terms, you end up with a cure that is worse than the disease.
And the beneficiaries continue on to be whiny, ungrateful dishonest hucksters who try to prolong the claims of grievances. So for instance, feminists complaining about the higher cost of clothes and lack of free birth control.
It's tempting to say that any injustices against particular "groups" should have been allowed to go on. If you knew that Dahmer were unjustly accused of a particular murder, it might be better to let that injustice happen and do nothing, since if he's released, you know he'll be free to murder other people. What's the use of "group" justice if that group will act worse than the so called "oppressors" (who were morally sensitive enough to give the group a hearing in the first place)?
These are the dark thoughts that leftists have been causing me to think lately.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 01:09 PM (/qEW2)
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If Black Americans ever began voting Republican in significant numbers, the Democrats would insist that their votes should only count as 3/5 of a vote.
Posted by: The Rev. Miklos at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (zCyNd)
Well they already insist that a Republican vote counts as 0/5 of a vote, so that would kinda be a step up in a way...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:59 PM (BRvh1)
========
Democrat votes typically count as (Al Franken's trunk)/1 of a vote.
Posted by: The Rev. Miklos at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (zCyNd)
Well they already insist that a Republican vote counts as 0/5 of a vote, so that would kinda be a step up in a way...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 12:59 PM (BRvh1)
========
Democrat votes typically count as (Al Franken's trunk)/1 of a vote.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 01:13 PM (/qEW2)
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These are the dark thoughts that leftists have been causing me to think lately.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 01:09 PM (/qEW2)
If you knowingly start with a set of false axioms (call it "Progressivism" writ large), it can't be any wonder that you arrive at absurd results.
In fact, the absurd results are literally indirect proof that the axioms are false.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 01:09 PM (/qEW2)
If you knowingly start with a set of false axioms (call it "Progressivism" writ large), it can't be any wonder that you arrive at absurd results.
In fact, the absurd results are literally indirect proof that the axioms are false.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 01:19 PM (BRvh1)
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Trump Signs Executive Orders to Speed Up Firing of "Poor Performing" Federal Workers
breitbart.com
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breitbart.com
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Posted by: Shep Smith at May 26, 2018 01:20 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: Under Fire at May 26, 2018 01:21 PM (r9UYA)
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scott johnson's review at power line contains this line, which is oddly appropriate here:
"only 90 minutes long, the film began to grate as we rounded the corner into minute 2."
Posted by: musical jolly chimp
Not sure what Scott expected.
"A feel-good com-rom romp through the double-oughts with a cameo by Pitbull"?
"only 90 minutes long, the film began to grate as we rounded the corner into minute 2."
Posted by: musical jolly chimp
Not sure what Scott expected.
"A feel-good com-rom romp through the double-oughts with a cameo by Pitbull"?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2018 01:22 PM (zfrbv)
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"A feel-good com-rom romp through the double-oughts with a cameo by Pitbull"?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2018 01:22 PM (zfrbv)
I know we call Mooch some nasty things on these pages, but I think "Pitbull" is a bit beyond the pale, honestly....
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2018 01:22 PM (zfrbv)
I know we call Mooch some nasty things on these pages, but I think "Pitbull" is a bit beyond the pale, honestly....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 01:23 PM (BRvh1)
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Gerardo > Pitbull
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:24 PM (QmRgE)
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OK, yardwork is done. Let the weekend begin!
Some neighborhood kids were chasing their Siberian Husky who escaped. He trotted past me on the sidewalk. Those are nice dogs. I hope they caught him.
Some neighborhood kids were chasing their Siberian Husky who escaped. He trotted past me on the sidewalk. Those are nice dogs. I hope they caught him.
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 01:24 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:25 PM (QmRgE)
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I watched an hour of the debate. I got fed up as after watching for an hour nothing was said by Goldberg or Dyson that required any sort of internal thought or analysis.
Shit the way Dyson was speaking I thought dude was gonna break out into a straight up battle rap freestyle. I would have watched that.
Shit the way Dyson was speaking I thought dude was gonna break out into a straight up battle rap freestyle. I would have watched that.
Posted by: thathalfrican - OG LoG - Broke Minds Think Alike at May 26, 2018 01:25 PM (IYHxL)
187
Gerardo > Geraldo
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2018 01:26 PM (rnAwa)
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In college I compiled a semi-formal list of Dogs that if a chick owned one, I would not date her.
Malmutes are on there.
Malmutes are on there.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:27 PM (QmRgE)
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I watched an hour of the debate. I got fed up as after watching for an hour nothing was said by Goldberg or Dyson that required any sort of internal thought or analysis.
Interestingly, Goldberg seems untroubled by her "white privilege."
Interestingly, Goldberg seems untroubled by her "white privilege."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 01:27 PM (G9//X)
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When the black middle class--and above, those who HAVE achieved ---stop feeling guilty about their own success and do something to help those others instead of blaming white people?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (7uYFy)
Guilty? What kinda racisss claptrap is dat? De only time I feels da need to help others is when dey tells me what de gonna gibs me. Preferably Benjamins, although Grants and Jacksons be OK, too!
As an aside, some of the biggest slaveholders in the South were black. I wonder why they didn't help their bruthas?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (7uYFy)
Guilty? What kinda racisss claptrap is dat? De only time I feels da need to help others is when dey tells me what de gonna gibs me. Preferably Benjamins, although Grants and Jacksons be OK, too!
As an aside, some of the biggest slaveholders in the South were black. I wonder why they didn't help their bruthas?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 26, 2018 01:27 PM (9BLnV)
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also, any dog without a tail that achieved 100% butthole occlusion.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:29 PM (QmRgE)
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When the black middle class--and above, those who HAVE achieved ---stop feeling guilty about their own success and do something to help those others instead of blaming white people?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (7uYFy)
Guilty? What kinda racisss claptrap is dat? De only time I feels da need to help others is when dey tells me what de gonna gibs me. Preferably Benjamins, although Grants and Jacksons be OK, too!
As an aside, some of the biggest slaveholders in the South were black. I wonder why they didn't help their bruthas?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 26, 2018 01:27 PM (9BLnV)
You already stated the answer in your second paragraph.....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (7uYFy)
Guilty? What kinda racisss claptrap is dat? De only time I feels da need to help others is when dey tells me what de gonna gibs me. Preferably Benjamins, although Grants and Jacksons be OK, too!
As an aside, some of the biggest slaveholders in the South were black. I wonder why they didn't help their bruthas?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 26, 2018 01:27 PM (9BLnV)
You already stated the answer in your second paragraph.....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:30 PM (7uYFy)
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When the black middle class--and above, those who HAVE achieved ---stop feeling guilty about their own success and do something to help those others instead of blaming white people?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (7uYFy)
How about everybody helps himself? First come, first served, the devil take the hindmost?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 12:57 PM (7uYFy)
How about everybody helps himself? First come, first served, the devil take the hindmost?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at May 26, 2018 01:31 PM (G9//X)
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Trump Signs Executive Orders to Speed Up Firing of "Poor Performing" Federal Workers
breitbart.com
Love PDT(No Homo)
Posted by: Shep Smith at May 26, 2018 01:20 PM (r9UYA)
This will explode after the holiday weekend....
breitbart.com
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Posted by: Shep Smith at May 26, 2018 01:20 PM (r9UYA)
This will explode after the holiday weekend....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:31 PM (7uYFy)
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https://preview.tinyurl.com/kgzgutu
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books!
That was an interesting read.
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books!
That was an interesting read.
Posted by: Adriane the Literary Critic ... at May 26, 2018 01:34 PM (AoK0a)
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Oh they care a lot. They are masters of deceptive labeling, categorization and goal-post moving. You call it a bug, they call it a feature. Review the NewSpeak material in the novel 1984.
Posted by: gp at May 26, 2018 01:06 PM (mk9aG)
And who was erected in 1984? That rayciss bee movie acter Ronald Raygun. It's his fault!
Posted by: gp at May 26, 2018 01:06 PM (mk9aG)
And who was erected in 1984? That rayciss bee movie acter Ronald Raygun. It's his fault!
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein at May 26, 2018 01:35 PM (7uYFy)
197
Trump Signs Executive Orders to Speed Up Firing of "Poor Performing" Federal Workers
breitbart.com
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Posted by: Shep Smith at May 26, 2018 01:20 PM (r9UYA)
If this goes through, my only hope is that the Deep State doesn't use this as a way to get rid of the few remaining conservative federal workers....
breitbart.com
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Posted by: Shep Smith at May 26, 2018 01:20 PM (r9UYA)
If this goes through, my only hope is that the Deep State doesn't use this as a way to get rid of the few remaining conservative federal workers....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:37 PM (7uYFy)
198
In college I compiled a semi-formal list of Dogs that if a chick owned one, I would not date her.
Malmutes are on there.
Posted by: garrett
What about a girl w/2 camels?
youtube
camelsandfriends
: -))
Malmutes are on there.
Posted by: garrett
What about a girl w/2 camels?
youtube
camelsandfriends
: -))
Posted by: Adriane the Pet Critic ... at May 26, 2018 01:37 PM (AoK0a)
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:38 PM (QmRgE)
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In college I compiled a semi-formal list of Dogs that if a chick owned one, I would not date her.
Malmutes are on there.
Posted by: garrett
What about a girl with two camels?
Posted by: Adriane the Pet Critic ... at May 26, 2018 01:37 PM (AoK0a)
Two humps?
Malmutes are on there.
Posted by: garrett
What about a girl with two camels?
Posted by: Adriane the Pet Critic ... at May 26, 2018 01:37 PM (AoK0a)
Two humps?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:38 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:39 PM (QmRgE)
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Race baitin'. It's one hell of a lucrative gig!
Posted by: Michael "Dog Whistle" Dyson at May 26, 2018 01:40 PM (Tyii7)
203
You want racial harmony? Well screw you.
Posted by: Michael "Dog Whistle" Dyson at May 26, 2018 01:44 PM (Tyii7)
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188 In college I compiled a semi-formal list of Dogs that if a chick owned one, I would not date her.
Malmutes are on there.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:27 PM (QmRgE)
That doesn't seem to be the sort of dog one would have in a college dorm.
Malmutes are on there.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:27 PM (QmRgE)
That doesn't seem to be the sort of dog one would have in a college dorm.
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 01:45 PM (sdi6R)
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Also, any chick with more than 1 species of animal as pets.
Out.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:39 PM (QmRgE)
Hard to believe but many "cat ladies" were actually quite hot when they were younger.
I'm old enough to remember some "before and afters."
Out.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:39 PM (QmRgE)
Hard to believe but many "cat ladies" were actually quite hot when they were younger.
I'm old enough to remember some "before and afters."
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:46 PM (7uYFy)
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202 Race baitin'. It's one hell of a lucrative gig!
Posted by: Michael "Dog Whistle" Dyson at May 26, 2018 01:40 PM (Tyii7)
Meme time:
animated .gif of Dyson, with the caption: "Go away. Race 'baitin".
I'm for too stoopid to know how to make that happen. So somebody else get on it, stat!
202 Race baitin'. It's one hell of a lucrative gig!
Posted by: Michael "Dog Whistle" Dyson at May 26, 2018 01:40 PM (Tyii7)
Meme time:
animated .gif of Dyson, with the caption: "Go away. Race 'baitin".
I'm for too stoopid to know how to make that happen. So somebody else get on it, stat!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 01:47 PM (BRvh1)
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My last two girlfriends had pomeranians.
What does this mean?
What does this mean?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:47 PM (7uYFy)
208
Manufactured hatred makes the world go 'round, baby.
Posted by: Michael "Dog Whistle" Dyson at May 26, 2018 01:48 PM (Tyii7)
209
What ard chances of getting the cost of that $70,000 conference table out of McCabe's pention?
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2018 01:51 PM (aC6Sd)
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My last two girlfriends had pomeranians.
What does this mean?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:47 PM (7uYFy)
Pomeranians can never be cured, but they can be controlled with medication and diet.
What does this mean?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:47 PM (7uYFy)
Pomeranians can never be cured, but they can be controlled with medication and diet.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 01:51 PM (y87Qq)
211
I don't care for her feminist twaddle, but Michelle Goldberg is not bad looking. I like that hairstyle.
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 01:54 PM (sdi6R)
212
tablet sign-in
Posted by: andycanuck at May 26, 2018 01:55 PM (Evws/)
213
Pomeranians can never be cured, but they can be controlled with medication and diet.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 01:51 PM (y87Qq)
Lol. What was hysterical was the male pomeranian the one girlfriend had---he had a HUGE penis.....
Posted by: hogmartin at May 26, 2018 01:51 PM (y87Qq)
Lol. What was hysterical was the male pomeranian the one girlfriend had---he had a HUGE penis.....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:58 PM (7uYFy)
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197 If this goes through, my only hope is that the Deep State doesn't use this as a way to get rid of the few remaining conservative federal workers....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:37 PM (7uYFy)
Interesting point. Hopefully I'm safe since I primarily run in an engineering crowd which has far less lefty stink than, say, HR or contracts.
Though said crowd comprises a lot of smart and hard-working folks, I personally know of one guy who fits the "worthless gubmint worker who would've been fired years ago in the private sector" description to a T. I'm interesting in reading the EO and will be following up with his supervisor in the coming weeks.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:37 PM (7uYFy)
Interesting point. Hopefully I'm safe since I primarily run in an engineering crowd which has far less lefty stink than, say, HR or contracts.
Though said crowd comprises a lot of smart and hard-working folks, I personally know of one guy who fits the "worthless gubmint worker who would've been fired years ago in the private sector" description to a T. I'm interesting in reading the EO and will be following up with his supervisor in the coming weeks.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 26, 2018 01:58 PM (NL6wI)
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201 Also, any chick with more than 1 species of animal as pets.
Out.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:39 PM (QmRgE)
Aw, c'mon. Despite what Venkman says, dogs and cats living together doesn't result in mass hysteria.
Out.
Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2018 01:39 PM (QmRgE)
Aw, c'mon. Despite what Venkman says, dogs and cats living together doesn't result in mass hysteria.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 26, 2018 02:00 PM (NL6wI)
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Lol. What was hysterical was the male pomeranian the one girlfriend had---he had a HUGE penis.....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:58 PM (7uYFy)
Knotting.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:58 PM (7uYFy)
Knotting.
Posted by: Pickles at May 26, 2018 02:00 PM (96C7R)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 26, 2018 02:03 PM (Evws/)
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My last two girlfriends had pomeranians.
What does this mean?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:47 PM (7uYFy)
You might want to get checked for Pomeranians before your next girlfriend ends up suffering the same fate.
What does this mean?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 01:47 PM (7uYFy)
You might want to get checked for Pomeranians before your next girlfriend ends up suffering the same fate.
Posted by: Make Katy Perry Stop Murdering Nuns! at May 26, 2018 02:06 PM (oVSFn)
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Love PDT(No Homo)
Posted by: Shep Smith at May 26, 2018 01:20 PM (r9UYA)
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Greatest irony on the internet today.
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Greatest irony on the internet today.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 26, 2018 02:06 PM (Evws/)
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I had the misfortune of for 7 years working for a man who wanted the organization to read + discuss a book by Michael Eric Dyson.
Apparently no one came to the discussions so he tried rescheduling them later in the year.
Apparently no one came to the discussions so he tried rescheduling them later in the year.
Posted by: Rick67 at May 26, 2018 02:07 PM (tzgR3)
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Aw, c'mon. Despite what Venkman says, dogs and cats living together doesn't result in mass hysteria.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 26, 2018 02:00 PM (NL6wI)
They usually get along just fine. But the few exceptions can get ugly.
And messy.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 26, 2018 02:00 PM (NL6wI)
They usually get along just fine. But the few exceptions can get ugly.
And messy.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2018 02:08 PM (7uYFy)
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220 I had the misfortune of for 7 years working for a man who wanted the organization to read + discuss a book by Michael Eric Dyson.
Apparently no one came to the discussions so he tried rescheduling them later in the year.
Posted by: Rick67 at May 26, 2018 02:07 PM (tzgR3)
It would be funny if he had to keep rescheduling them for 7 years.
Apparently no one came to the discussions so he tried rescheduling them later in the year.
Posted by: Rick67 at May 26, 2018 02:07 PM (tzgR3)
It would be funny if he had to keep rescheduling them for 7 years.
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 02:09 PM (sdi6R)
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Freeman >>> Michael Eric.
Wondered if the two were somehow distantly related, but it doesn't appear so. But just a cursory glance at the Curricula Vitae of them both is just astonishing.
The only thing the two seem to have in common is a professional connection to Princeton.
Wondered if the two were somehow distantly related, but it doesn't appear so. But just a cursory glance at the Curricula Vitae of them both is just astonishing.
The only thing the two seem to have in common is a professional connection to Princeton.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 02:17 PM (BRvh1)
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I personally know of one guy who fits the "worthless gubmint worker who would've been fired years ago in the private sector" description to a T. I'm interesting in reading the EO and will be following up with his supervisor in the coming weeks.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 26, 2018 01:58 PM (NL6wI)
President Trump is from the private sector; he expects results.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 26, 2018 01:58 PM (NL6wI)
President Trump is from the private sector; he expects results.
Posted by: Doctor Venkman, Ghostbuster and man about town at May 26, 2018 02:17 PM (5Yee7)
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US citizen imprisoned in Caracas for two years on weapons trafficking charges released.
https://tinyurl.com/ybo5nc6z
Not sure how I feel about this.
The 26-year-old Holt had gone to Venezuela in June 2016 to marry a woman he met online while he was looking for Spanish-speaking Mormons to help him improve his Spanish.
Aren't there easier ways to improve your Spanish than travelling to Venezuela to marry someone you met on line?
Sounds like this guy was just trying to bring Venezuelans into the US (many Mormons are open borders), in which case, I wish they'd have kept him.
https://tinyurl.com/ybo5nc6z
Not sure how I feel about this.
The 26-year-old Holt had gone to Venezuela in June 2016 to marry a woman he met online while he was looking for Spanish-speaking Mormons to help him improve his Spanish.
Aren't there easier ways to improve your Spanish than travelling to Venezuela to marry someone you met on line?
Sounds like this guy was just trying to bring Venezuelans into the US (many Mormons are open borders), in which case, I wish they'd have kept him.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 02:23 PM (/qEW2)
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Sounds like this guy was just trying to bring Venezuelans into the US (many Mormons are open borders), in which case, I wish they'd have kept him.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 02:23 PM (/qEW2)
Take the guns. Leave the Spagnioli.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 02:23 PM (/qEW2)
Take the guns. Leave the Spagnioli.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2018 02:24 PM (BRvh1)
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Pretty quiet here today.
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 02:35 PM (sdi6R)
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Fooking storm track.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Penitent Cylon at May 26, 2018 02:38 PM (lLeln)
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Soylo going down faster than Monica Lewinsky on a box of cigars. I watched the Ethan Sciver review. Yeah, the SJW bullshit touches would definitely outweigh the good moments, yeah.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 02:38 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 26, 2018 02:43 PM (NL6wI)
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Lol, Drudge's headline "Kim And Moon Back At It" with the photo of them embracing. Is he insinuating something?
Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2018 02:43 PM (sdi6R)
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Matt Drudge is like Anderson "Teabag" Cooper. There's almost nothing he likes more than to make homo jokes.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 26, 2018 02:48 PM (6FqZa)
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>>>Lol, Drudge's headline "Kim And Moon Back At It" with the photo of them embracing. Is he insinuating something?
You know the rumors about Drudge. A lot of gay activists like to "promote" as many people into their ranks as they can. Often posthumously.
You know the rumors about Drudge. A lot of gay activists like to "promote" as many people into their ranks as they can. Often posthumously.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 02:48 PM (/qEW2)
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pets nood
Posted by: andycanuck at May 26, 2018 03:00 PM (Evws/)
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Always found it rather sad that the fact that the muz are still conducting slave auctions doesn't even seem to come up in the discussion. I guess #muzPrivilege is a potentially divisive topic.
They don't talk about it because there's no money in it.
They don't talk about it because there's no money in it.
Posted by: socratease at May 26, 2018 03:00 PM (2GbWn)
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You know the rumors about Drudge. A lot of gay activists like to "promote" as many people into their ranks as they can. Often posthumously.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 02:48 PM (/qEW2)
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Found a site -TheLibertyBell.com that bills itself as the conservative Drudge. It has more links that interest me and fewer Woman eats dog food in street links.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 02:48 PM (/qEW2)
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Found a site -TheLibertyBell.com that bills itself as the conservative Drudge. It has more links that interest me and fewer Woman eats dog food in street links.
Posted by: gNewt at May 26, 2018 03:26 PM (bxu2Y)
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236 going to take a look
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2018 04:07 PM (aC6Sd)
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The entire arsenal of the verbal left is meant to obscure meaning, not to clarify it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2018 04:09 PM (yQpMk)
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In other formulation, the Right succeeds to the extent that they can make their ambitions known, the Left succeeds to the extent that they are able to hide theirs.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2018 04:10 PM (yQpMk)
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In other formulation, the Right succeeds to the extent that they can make their ambitions known, the Left succeeds to the extent that they are able to hide theirs.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2018 04:10 PM (yQpMk)
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It's so nice that we're not living in the past when the Right was unwilling to fight to make its ambitions known, when an asshat like Joe Biden could say "they want to put y'all back in chains!" and go unchallenged. Now we call bullshit and assert our ambition is simply MAGA.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2018 04:10 PM (yQpMk)
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It's so nice that we're not living in the past when the Right was unwilling to fight to make its ambitions known, when an asshat like Joe Biden could say "they want to put y'all back in chains!" and go unchallenged. Now we call bullshit and assert our ambition is simply MAGA.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 26, 2018 04:14 PM (/qEW2)
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67 ...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:09 PM (39g3+)
Almost right. But it's not simply a lack of training which makes them irrational. Irrationality is a core element of postmodern neo-Marxism. (Actually, the original really, if you pushed them, also rejected reason. But not so openly.) They really do deny that reason and language are meaningless. To them, the only use for language is power.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2018 12:09 PM (39g3+)
Almost right. But it's not simply a lack of training which makes them irrational. Irrationality is a core element of postmodern neo-Marxism. (Actually, the original really, if you pushed them, also rejected reason. But not so openly.) They really do deny that reason and language are meaningless. To them, the only use for language is power.
Posted by: George LeS at May 26, 2018 04:15 PM (59GGI)
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>>> Found a site -TheLibertyBell.com that bills itself as the conservative Drudge. It has more links that interest me and fewer Woman eats dog food in street links.
I think the correct address is theLibertyDaily.com
I think the correct address is theLibertyDaily.com
Posted by: fluffy at May 26, 2018 04:32 PM (cHbmY)
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Watched the whole thing. Peterson was Peterson, and clearly the star of the show. Which is why they have to demonize him.
Frye was like always, an aesthete who thinks himself an intellectual. That usage seems to date from about the 30's. At least, Evelyn Waugh objected to the loss of intellect in the meaning of "intellectual".
Goldberg was mostly lefty-fem pabulum, except for lying about Peterson. I wish we could organize the way they do, and concentrate fire on a particular lefty who crosses the line, forcing them to address cases of blatant dishonesty. Then on to another. Not that Goldberg is high-profile enough to be chosen. But if we could discredit a few like that, it'd go a long way to making the world better. But we live in such a target-rich environment it would take actual coordination; today we are too scattershot, with one hitting Pelosi, another Tapper, another Comey, etc.
Dyson was appalling. He did, twice and only twice, show a near-human intelligence. First, his high point was when he at least did acknowledge that others had slaves, but tried to deflect by pointing out that the Greeks' version wasn't racially based. The only thing he said which might have been worth discussing. (Really, are Arabs black?)
The 2nd was when he pretty clearly realized that he'd lost the audience with the "mean, mad white man" line. Note that he soon afterwards tried to justify it. But of course he wasn't smart enough to deflect.
Frye was like always, an aesthete who thinks himself an intellectual. That usage seems to date from about the 30's. At least, Evelyn Waugh objected to the loss of intellect in the meaning of "intellectual".
Goldberg was mostly lefty-fem pabulum, except for lying about Peterson. I wish we could organize the way they do, and concentrate fire on a particular lefty who crosses the line, forcing them to address cases of blatant dishonesty. Then on to another. Not that Goldberg is high-profile enough to be chosen. But if we could discredit a few like that, it'd go a long way to making the world better. But we live in such a target-rich environment it would take actual coordination; today we are too scattershot, with one hitting Pelosi, another Tapper, another Comey, etc.
Dyson was appalling. He did, twice and only twice, show a near-human intelligence. First, his high point was when he at least did acknowledge that others had slaves, but tried to deflect by pointing out that the Greeks' version wasn't racially based. The only thing he said which might have been worth discussing. (Really, are Arabs black?)
The 2nd was when he pretty clearly realized that he'd lost the audience with the "mean, mad white man" line. Note that he soon afterwards tried to justify it. But of course he wasn't smart enough to deflect.
Posted by: George LeS at May 26, 2018 04:33 PM (59GGI)
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Two points about slavery:
1. It is almost never mentioned that W Europe started moving away from it long before the 19th C. It was dying out in the Middle Ages, from most of the continent. (Please don't confuse serfs with slaves - the differences are very important.) It actually returned in the early modern era, the period of Renaissance and Enlightenment. Serfdom too had been dying, and became more burdensome (where it survived) in the same period. The reasons are complex and debatable, but one factor was surely the increasing classicism of the culture; if you imitate the Romans in as much as possible, that will be included.
2. There were a few places which didn't abandon it, and the most important was in Iberia, where it was simply impossible to stop people from enslaving captives when cheek by jowl with Moslems who did the same to you. And it was Iberia which started the European expansion, worldwide. Note that the American Indians were NOT supposed to be enslaved. But moving around Africa to India, it's not clear they really grasped who wasn't Moslem. Da Gama actually thought that Hindus must be some sort of heretical Christians.
But of course, the Moslem world has never abandoned the idea.
One further point: the Barbary states were able to continue their slave raids in part because the European naval powers were in such constant war among themselves. We Americans tend to regard them as pussies for paying tribute. But really, at the time, it made no strategic sense to alienate people with ports and food, and fight another enemy. Funny that after 1815, when Brits and French and Dutch and all the rest could cooperate, the shit hit the fan for the paynim. No doubt that was racism too.
1. It is almost never mentioned that W Europe started moving away from it long before the 19th C. It was dying out in the Middle Ages, from most of the continent. (Please don't confuse serfs with slaves - the differences are very important.) It actually returned in the early modern era, the period of Renaissance and Enlightenment. Serfdom too had been dying, and became more burdensome (where it survived) in the same period. The reasons are complex and debatable, but one factor was surely the increasing classicism of the culture; if you imitate the Romans in as much as possible, that will be included.
2. There were a few places which didn't abandon it, and the most important was in Iberia, where it was simply impossible to stop people from enslaving captives when cheek by jowl with Moslems who did the same to you. And it was Iberia which started the European expansion, worldwide. Note that the American Indians were NOT supposed to be enslaved. But moving around Africa to India, it's not clear they really grasped who wasn't Moslem. Da Gama actually thought that Hindus must be some sort of heretical Christians.
But of course, the Moslem world has never abandoned the idea.
One further point: the Barbary states were able to continue their slave raids in part because the European naval powers were in such constant war among themselves. We Americans tend to regard them as pussies for paying tribute. But really, at the time, it made no strategic sense to alienate people with ports and food, and fight another enemy. Funny that after 1815, when Brits and French and Dutch and all the rest could cooperate, the shit hit the fan for the paynim. No doubt that was racism too.
Posted by: George LeS at May 26, 2018 04:46 PM (59GGI)
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You'd think at least one leftist would have an epiphany that their hatred of open debate, their love of censorship and the speed which they threaten violence, if not actual violence, that their positions are indefensible.
Posted by: Northernlurker lighter less filing at May 26, 2018 04:57 PM (eAMlh)
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that bills itself as the conservative Drudge. It has more links that interest me and fewer Woman eats dog food in street links.
I think the correct address is theLibertyDaily.com
Posted by: fluffy
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You're so right, I must have been projecting.
theLibertyDaily.com
I think the correct address is theLibertyDaily.com
Posted by: fluffy
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You're so right, I must have been projecting.
theLibertyDaily.com
Posted by: gNewt at May 26, 2018 05:12 PM (bxu2Y)
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"...how little the Left cares about clarity of language."
It's much worse than that. For the Left, clarity of language is their mortal enemy, and the first thing they try to wreck in a discussion.
This was immortalized in Orwell's "Newspeak," where it was fully recognized that control over language is control over almost everything else.
It's much worse than that. For the Left, clarity of language is their mortal enemy, and the first thing they try to wreck in a discussion.
This was immortalized in Orwell's "Newspeak," where it was fully recognized that control over language is control over almost everything else.
Posted by: MW at May 26, 2018 05:31 PM (wNx6K)
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@247:
Exactly. Objective reality and its messenger, language, are enemies of the Left. Most of us no longer give a shit what they say or think because it's not moored in truth. We need a divorce.
Exactly. Objective reality and its messenger, language, are enemies of the Left. Most of us no longer give a shit what they say or think because it's not moored in truth. We need a divorce.
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