Thread before the Gardening Thread: New Identities [KT]

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Last night, in the car, I happened to hear the story of a young journalist who went undercover in North Korea on The Moth. Yes, on NPR. She noted that everyone in the country had to lie, to pretend, constantly in order to survive. She has written a book about her experiences. Kim Jong-il died on the day she was scheduled to leave the country. She did not get to say goodbye to her young male students, but she noted the vacant, frightened look in their eyes. The center of their existence was suddenly gone, and they were herded off to a meeting.

Here's a piece she wrote in November of 2017 to the young men she had taught. She hoped they would forget her in preference to engaging in any risky behavior based on a memory of her. Wonder if the young leader of North Korea will be able to maintain that kind of ignorance for much longer? Things are changing, one way or another.

How might the people of North Korea go about re-ordering their identities, even partially, as the isolation of their kingdom unravels? The regime has directed their actions and goals for so long.

Meanwhile, at UC Berkeley, a man identifying as a squirrel has been elected to the Student Senate. Even at Berkeley, not everyone on the Left appreciates the form of his campaign to "support students with disabilities, an interest stemming from his own battle with bipolar disorder."

Give it time.

It's a shocking display of privilege to vote for a squirrel over candidates who have actual plans to help students who need it," the Daily Californian said. "Instead of electing qualified students who had real, tangible ideas ... many of you (at least 538 strong) thought it might be a funny joke to have a man dressed up in a squirrel costume with no real platforms represent you at the administrative table.

"Display of privilege."? For today, maybe . . . . .

Anything interesting going on for you this weekend?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:14 AM

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1 Hmm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 11:08 AM (yQpMk)

2 Pressure Tester.

Posted by: ha at April 28, 2018 11:08 AM (MAstk)

3 Good news for Flynn?

https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/990178197882003456

Posted by: ha at April 28, 2018 11:09 AM (MAstk)

4 tada, whatever

Posted by: micky at April 28, 2018 11:09 AM (dF9Lb)

5 Mowed for the first time today.

I need a goat.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 28, 2018 11:10 AM (9rIkM)

6 I hate squirrels .

Posted by: Doug at April 28, 2018 11:12 AM (IcT7t)

7 Berkeley students elect a furrie, eh? Levels of degeneracy that shouldn't even be possible.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 11:13 AM (fA1SL)

8 Good news for Flynn?

Yeah. Reading further

https://twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/989961660877156353

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 11:13 AM (yQpMk)

9 Squirrel Lives Matter!

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2018 11:13 AM (pvjTE)

10 6 I hate squirrels .

Posted by: Doug at April 28, 2018 11:12 AM (IcT7t)

Yes. Moose are pig-dogs too.

Posted by: Boris at April 28, 2018 11:14 AM (NL6wI)

11 I cleaned out 2 file entire drawers of old papers to take to free shredding day today. Then off to dads to do chores for him.

Living the dream.

Posted by: Infidel at April 28, 2018 11:14 AM (a3OL0)

12 The North Korean government is guilty of just about every kind of atrocity and evil imaginable, and they just keep getting away with it. They've literally kidnapped people from other nations just to enslave the to entertain their dictator. Nothing about this peace treaty changes anything there, it just makes border expenses less profound. So, while ending an official war that's decades old is good and somewhat impressive for a president that "experts" claimed was going to get us into nuclear war a few weeks ago... it doesn't truly accomplish all that much.

And that NK government should be on trial for war crimes going back to the FIFTIES.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:14 AM (39g3+)

13 Seed
Shoot
Flower
Fruit
(repeat)

Posted by: mindful webworker stepping on rake *!!!* at April 28, 2018 11:14 AM (L9GR7)

14 The letter to north Korean gentleman is heartbreaking. But I never thought the Berlin Wall would come down, so who knows?

Pray for Trump, surrounded as he is by our enemies.

Posted by: Texican ette at April 28, 2018 11:15 AM (cOkyj)

15 Here's the thing. It would be so easy to overthrow the NK government. Maybe a few weeks work. But its just not worth it to anyone, and the danger is that Red China would get involved again, because they want that buffer zone between them and Korea. NK is such a hell hole its not worth trying to escape into there from China. In fact, people are constantly trying to flee NK INTO China.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:15 AM (39g3+)

16 Strzok and Page better being cooperating or they are looking at hard time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 11:16 AM (yQpMk)

17 Look, squirrel!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at April 28, 2018 11:16 AM (H80UQ)

18 so is it Squirrel/Warren 2020 or Warren/Squirrel?

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:17 AM (n13/j)

19 >>> How might the people of North Korea go about re-ordering their identities, even partially, as the isolation of their kingdom unravels?

I wouldn't venture a guess beyond 'chaotically'.

Posted by: fluffy at April 28, 2018 11:17 AM (cHbmY)

20 I need a goat.

Baby goat is sooo good. Old Italian GF's mother made Caprete for Easter one year.

It was so good that I put 'caprete' in my gmail search just to taste what it was like to write about it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2018 11:17 AM (fuK7c)

21 Fun weekend plans - took 4 yr old granddaughter home after she had been visiting for four days. She pitched a screaming fit and wouldnt let go of me during the handover. Yelled to anyone close enough to hear *Mommy doesnt want me!* Analysis - mostly true.

On a happier note, #4 son flying home on liberty to see #3 son off to seek his fortune in Dallas.

Ive had at least one child in the house for almost 35 years. While it certainly is for the best, this last one leaving is going to hurt.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 28, 2018 11:17 AM (9rIkM)

22 Man/Woman/Otherkin, but a squirrel is too far?

Shit, if I want to identify as the smell of Hai Karate, I expect those post-modern buttholes to bend over and kiss my fresh-smelling ass.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 28, 2018 11:18 AM (oVJmc)

23

I hope squirrel boi gets in their attic, shites everywhere, chews through their wiring, runs through the walls at night keeping them awake, and ultimately gives them Hanta Virus...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 28, 2018 11:18 AM (AyGZp)

24 Alabama Rep Mo Brooks says Republicans are retiring en masse because of assassination fears
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From earlier thread. What I have noticed in my own very quiet area is that reps (State and Fed) are just not willing to go out and handshake and deliver their canned speeches. Even in the gun-controlled State of IL.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 11:18 AM (MIKMs)

25 23. Furries go to Trumpcamp, too. Nobody can say we didn't warn them.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 11:19 AM (fA1SL)

26 How many chickens do we have? I haven't counted yet.

Posted by: skeezix at April 28, 2018 11:19 AM (TzscB)

27 If a man is going to identify as an animal, you're think he'd pick a more impressive animal. A saber-toothed tiger or a grizzly bear, for instance. Not a little rodent who frequents ends up as roadkill. Then again - Berkeley.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at April 28, 2018 11:19 AM (H80UQ)

28 Furry Boi/Deez Nutz 2020

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 28, 2018 11:19 AM (oVJmc)

29 I self identify as a meat popsicle

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:20 AM (39g3+)

30 That letter is sad. I hope things can be changed for the better.

Posted by: Infidel at April 28, 2018 11:20 AM (a3OL0)

31 27 If a man is going to identify as an animal, you're think he'd pick a more impressive animal. A saber-toothed tiger or a grizzly bear, for instance. Not a little rodent who frequents ends up as roadkill. Then again - Berkeley.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at April 28, 2018 11:19 AM (H80UQ)
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Yeah. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2018 11:20 AM (MVjcR)

32 It's a shocking display of privilege

Boy, everything revolves around "privilege" with the neo-commies.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 28, 2018 11:21 AM (Tyii7)

33

In Berkley, squirrels are Toxic Masculinity...

Male Praying Mantis is more their speed... or sea cucumber...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 28, 2018 11:21 AM (AyGZp)

34 The most terrifying part of the "squirrel" story is that the article actually calls him a squirrel. The left is so far gone they'll not only acknowledge your gender, pronouns, and race, they'll let you pick a species.

Posted by: Texas99 at April 28, 2018 11:21 AM (dHXYF)

35 To my mind, electing someone dressed up as a squirrel is the most sensible thing one can do. Whether it be student government, or those idiots we send to Washington.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:22 AM (Pz4pT)

36 Strzok and Page better being cooperating or they are looking at hard time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus
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Guess they're not lovebirds anymore.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 11:22 AM (4wipQ)

37

Vote for Shirley & Squirrely

https://youtu.be/LOY9-vUm7EY

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2018 11:22 AM (IqV8l)

38 The Squirrel Guy is a ninja-level troll.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 28, 2018 11:22 AM (oVJmc)

39 If I could have voted, I would have voted for Squirrel Man. On the grounds that he was demonstrably more sane that anyone else who voluntarily chose to attend a place like Berkeley today.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2018 11:23 AM (V2Yro)

40

Squirrelly Daniels Has Yuge Nuts!

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 28, 2018 11:23 AM (AyGZp)

41 ☐ North Koreans (all classes high and low)
☐ Palestinians (among other Muhumud peoples)
☐ East Germans (among other USSR peoples)
☐ Freed slaves (1865 USA primarily)
☐ Millennial snowflakes (and their enablers)

Rate from most to least difficult to deprogram and integrate into civilized society.

Posted by: mindful webworker had a thought but then lost it at April 28, 2018 11:24 AM (L9GR7)

42 1. north korea is not quite the regimented society of kim il sung. poverty has led to increasing disrespect for the authorities, within limits. same ting happened in post stalin soviet union. so i've heard. it's still a murderous prison camp, of course.

2. kanye west...

... likes big butts
and he cannot lie.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 28, 2018 11:24 AM (Pg+x7)

43 goats will eat everything including outdoor carpet, maybe sheep would work better.

IF North Korea really does "de-nuclearize" and would open up to Western tech, hard to imagine how much could be accomplished. But culture shock may be a problem. Certainly the people could be quite happy to have better food and shelter, if trade also opened a little, and real innovation was allowed.

Hopefully it is not all a ruse ... there are some signs of hope for sure.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2018 11:24 AM (bT8Z4)

44 How might the people of North Korea go about re-ordering their identities, even partially, as the isolation of their kingdom unravels?
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I wouldn't venture a guess beyond 'chaotically'.
Posted by: fluffy at April 28, 2018 11:17 AM (cHbmY)

I think the example of the East/West Germany reunification might be a good example. Which is to say, if all goes well, it might not be as bad as people think.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:25 AM (Pz4pT)

45 We need to remove everyone's privileges so that they will no longer be able to shock people by displaying them. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 11:25 AM (/qEW2)

46 Goats don't eat grass.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 11:25 AM (4wipQ)

47 I never figured out what "student body president" was supposed to do.

I always figured it was the equivalent of being head of the glee club with fewer responsibilities.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2018 11:26 AM (2K6fY)

48 There still may be hope for us yet...

Posted by: North Korean Barkless Trees at April 28, 2018 11:26 AM (Tyii7)

49 Other good news - 5th Circuit upheld Texas Voter ID law, which had been thrown out by a (mexican) Federal Judge. Only dissenter was a black lifetime government lawyer appointed to the 5th Circuit by Obama. His grounds for dissent was "Ah KNOWS that alla Texas is duhSCRIMinatory, so EVERYTHINS they do is illegal!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2018 11:26 AM (V2Yro)

50 510 They ended up getting along much better later on, since both liked to do guy stuff and the dad had girly girls and no sons. But things were rough in the beginning
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at April 28, 2018 11:00 AM (H80UQ)

Yeah, FIL even remarked - to others - that he was impressed I survived and didn't bitch and moan. Pretty much the same mold family situation and tension as you describe. I stole the best girl.

At the end, I was a big, sloppy, wet, shaking mess when done, near hypothermic, but that ten dollar bag of Doritos was the best damned thing I ever ate. Pretty stupid.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 11:19 AM (Dp6qK)

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 11:26 AM (Dp6qK)

51 If you shock someone with your privilege, does that count as a microaggression?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 11:26 AM (/qEW2)

52 43. Kim is playing a dangerous but necessary game. First rule of being a murderous dictator from a line of murderous dictators is - start wrong, stay wrong. Reforms - if made as anything other than a demonstration of the Leader's benevolent goodwill - always lead to revolution, or ay least a good revolt.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 11:27 AM (fA1SL)

53 One of the problems for NK is that 50 years of famine have produced a population with an average IQ of 75. Even surrendering to the West won't make it a healthy place.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 11:27 AM (yQpMk)

54 Mr. Squirrel had better positions on acorn subsidies and reforestation.

Posted by: Bullwinkle, Campaign Manager at April 28, 2018 11:27 AM (Ndje9)

55 Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2018 11:24 AM (bT8Z4)

Yes. Goats are browsers. They will eat grass, but only if all the tasty rose bushes and other shrubs/herbage are gone. Sheep are grazers, but you have to be careful they keep moving and don't eat the grass to the ground.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2018 11:27 AM (rp9xB)

56 I have been reading some Snoozy Sessions theorists on Twitter who make JackStraw sound like, well, like the rest of us.

People who think Mueller is there to get Hillary.

Worst thing is they back up their theories. And they are kind of convincing.

I don't know what to think anymore. Trump ended the Korean War, wasn't even on the radar 2 months ago.

There really may be a LOT more going on than meets the eye.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2018 11:28 AM (jHrzU)

57 Rate from most to least difficult to deprogram and integrate into civilized society. Posted by: mindful webworker had a thought but then lost it at April 28, 2018 11:24 AM (L9GR7)
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Just reverse the order. That is what I see, anyway.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 11:28 AM (MIKMs)

58 I remember reading an article by that young woman just after she wrote her book. She described how much these elite young men didn't know. They had never heard of many things that one presumes most people have heard of, such as the Eiffel Tower. They had been taught that every country in the world spoke Korean. And so on.

How dreadful to live in a country like that. And what's more, they have no idea just how much they are being lied to. Not to mention the unspeakable cruelty perpetrated by the government.

Posted by: bluebell at April 28, 2018 11:29 AM (oMtOd)

59 Strzok and Page better being cooperating or they are looking at hard time.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 11:16 AM (yQpMk)

I hope you are correct but I don't see it happening.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 28, 2018 11:29 AM (czkHE)

60 "Instead of electing qualified students who had real, tangible ideas ... many of you (at least 538 strong) thought it might be a funny joke to have a man dressed up in a squirrel costume with no real platforms represent you at the administrative table."

Joke's on you, dude.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 11:29 AM (Dp6qK)

61 In fact, people are constantly trying to flee NK INTO China.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:15 AM (39g3+)

I had read somewhere, some time ago, the Chinese are extraordinarily brutal toward Norks they find to have crossed the border.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:30 AM (Pz4pT)

62 Goats are great at cleaning up a yard. They won't kill the grass and they will eat stuff like blackberries. The only problem is all the cocoa pebbles they leave behind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:30 AM (39g3+)

63 Kim is playing a dangerous but necessary game. First
rule of being a murderous dictator from a line of murderous dictators
is - start wrong, stay wrong. Reforms - if made as anything other than a
demonstration of the Leader's benevolent goodwill - always lead to
revolution, or ay least a good revolt.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 11:27 AM (fA1SL)

Gorby agrees.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:30 AM (n13/j)

64 East Germans (among other USSR peoples)

I'm going to be pedantic, because that's what everyone loves about me.

East Germany was a Soviet satellite, but it had the advantage of having once been part of Germany, a real country. It went 40+ years without having a middle class, but it still had the traditions and something to fall back on.

(The Russkies made it hard, of course. All of their manufacture was for export to the Bloc, so even things like the specs for fuel injectors were useless for sale to the West and then the entire East ran out of money).

The USSR proper was designed to not work after falling apart. Belarus was the workbench, Ukraine the breadbasket. Stalin designed interdependence of the constituent republics by making them monocultures dependent on each other. When that fell apart there was nothing that worked.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2018 11:30 AM (fuK7c)

65 The name of "the young woman" who wrote the book on North Korea is Suki Kim. There are a ton of interviews with her on youtube. It's probably not necessary to read the book if you watch a couple of the longer ones.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 28, 2018 11:30 AM (vWMNq)

66 Creepiness factor - pegs the meter. Nork girls sing tribute to Marshal Tito, with accordion accompaniment.

https://youtu.be/dU53KD1DB8Y

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 11:31 AM (fA1SL)

67 People who think Mueller is there to get Hillary.

That one goes in my "when pigs fly" inbox.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 28, 2018 11:31 AM (Tyii7)

68 19 Re: Wait until your father gets home.

Any of you 70s travelers remember a comedy show on TV called, "Wait Til Your Father Gets Home"...? It was a cartoon, but ran in prime time, I think.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 28, 2018 08:33 AM (mQ0Mc)

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I remember it. I thought it was was complacent and lame to tell you the truth. The most memorable character was a caricature of a paranoid John Birch style conservative, who in retrospect was more right than wrong, in view of the subsequent intentional demograhic and political destruction of California, where the show was set.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (t5m5e)

69 Seed

Shoot

Flower

Fruit

(repeat)

Posted by: mindful webworker stepping on rake *!!!* at April 28, 2018 11:14 AM (L9GR7)

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I've seen and felt terrible things and that triggered me.

Posted by: The Ficus at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (pw+jk)

70 Deprogramming a country that is a cult is a very hard thing.

Hirohito ordered the Japanese to bear the unbearable. Still some tried to resist violently.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (xp7xD)

71 In the early 1980's in Washington State a bunch of barflies in Olympia formed the OWL Party. It stood for Out with Logic, On with Lunacy. The guy running for Attorney General for instance, proposed funding the state by taxing the proceeds from criminal activities. I think he actually came in at second place. The person running for Secretary of State posted no photos, no campaign promises and got 40,000 votes.
Democrats, which is all we have here, proposed a bill in the statehouse to make such antics illegal. It was laughed out of existence by the relentless scorn and derision of the media. We had one then that wasn't fully Borg. Still, no one has tried it since.

Posted by: Winston at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (wgCUV)

72 Posted by: bluebell at April 28, 2018 11:29 AM (oMtOd)

They are, as a nation, insane. The world they live in bears almost no similarity to the world everyone else inhabits. There is no easy or pain free method to bring them to reality and there's a good chance that many won't be able to make the transition. One last evil the despots will be responsible for.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (rp9xB)

73 Rate from most to least difficult to deprogram and integrate into civilized society.
Posted by: mindful webworker had a thought but then lost it at April 28, 2018 11:24 AM (L9GR7)

Yeah, we really don't have much of a claim to an enlightened populace, when damn near half of our population chooses to remain deluded in our open society.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (Dp6qK)

74 NoKo resolution will keep them as a buffer between China and SoKo. At best the resolution will eliminate nukes and allow them to slowly assimilate into the twentieth and twenty-first century.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 11:33 AM (4wipQ)

75 I think the best way to treat NK would be for a brutal dictator to take over, then slowly over like a decade or more ease back the throttle, teach a little bit more, feed them slightly more every year until they're pretty close to normal. After 20 years or so you might be able to start to move into the modern world.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:34 AM (39g3+)

76 The Kim's in NK really had evil dictator in his lair down to a science. Kidnapping movie stars and making them your sex slaves? I mean, that pretty much pegs the meter.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2018 11:34 AM (jHrzU)

77 I remember reading an article by that young woman just after she wrote
her book. She described how much these elite young men didn't know. They
had never heard of many things that one presumes most people have heard
of, such as the Eiffel Tower. They had been taught that every country
in the world spoke Korean. And so on.

How dreadful to live in a country like that. And what's more, they
have no idea just how much they are being lied to. Not to mention the
unspeakable cruelty perpetrated by the government.

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Welcome to our "elite" universities. Educated but ignorant.

Posted by: The Ficus at April 28, 2018 11:34 AM (pw+jk)

78

So, the Nork pron market is about to go hot? Hmmm, business ideas abound...

Posted by: Willie Poker at April 28, 2018 11:34 AM (AyGZp)

79 76. Hell, they travel by convoy of armoured trains. They're not just brutal dictators, their retro brutal dictators.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 11:35 AM (fA1SL)

80 I remember reading an article by that young woman just after she wrote her book. She described how much these elite young men didn't know. They had never heard of many things that one presumes most people have heard of, such as the Eiffel Tower. They had been taught that every country in the world spoke Korean. And so on.

How dreadful to live in a country like that. And what's more, they have no idea just how much they are being lied to. Not to mention the unspeakable cruelty perpetrated by the government.

Posted by: bluebell at April 28, 2018 11:29 AM (oMtOd)

There's a movie called "Dogtooth," which I would highly recommend, but be warned: It's a VERY dark black comedy, set in Greece (I believe), about a family where the parents have raised three adult (more or less) children, who have NO contact with the outside world... except the young woman the father brings in, so his son can have sex with someone.

It's a very hard R rating... possibly even X rated, if it was rated. One has to be careful going into this, there are things that happen that would be considered by almost everyone, as truly disturbing.

However... it's an allegory. For nations that isolate their citizens, with overly "protective" measures, and downright cruelty on the part of the autocratic government.

It's a brilliant film. And again though, don't say you weren't warned, it might be very hard to watch for some people.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:35 AM (Pz4pT)

81
Evil prevails when good men stand by and do nothing.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (VJnHJ)

82 If Furry Boi gets a driver's license, would California dare ask him to remove his suit and risk committing a hate crime? Maybe he should start wearing a burqa over his suit just to be safe.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (/qEW2)

83 Yeah, we really don't have much of a claim to an
enlightened populace, when damn near half of our population chooses to
remain deluded in our open society.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (Dp6qK)

Every time I think lowly of the Millennial generation (sans military) I have to think of the previous generation that raised them and was supposed to teach them. Things don't go haywire in a vacuum. It took more than a few generations to get to this point imo.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (n13/j)

84 Never once has my life or academic career been affected one way or another by who was in student government, and the only student representative I could identify in a lineup today would be... the girl I dated Junior year of high school was the class treasurer or something.

What I'm getting at is that there is 1 (one) student rep that I have ever known who I can state with certainty was not a squirrel.

*folds arms*
*waits for inevitable "nut" jest and witticism*

Posted by: hogmartin at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (y87Qq)

85
Evil prevailed in Liverpool, England today.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 28, 2018 11:37 AM (VJnHJ)

86 Harvey told me spunking into me was normal for male producers. AND I believed him!!!!

Posted by: The Ficus at April 28, 2018 11:37 AM (pw+jk)

87 North Korea is like that show about a mother who wakes up from a long coma. So the son is madly scrambling to keep the real world hidden from her, so no mention of the Berlin Wall falling and the two Germanys reuniting.

Or Papua New Guinea tribesmen emerging from the deep jungle at the foot of the Owen Stanley mountains to see the 21st Century. Talk about seeing magic all around you, the shamans will be very busy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 28, 2018 11:38 AM (xp7xD)

88 Nork pron: Hey honey, you hungry, tree bark soup maybe? You can have some, but first.......

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 28, 2018 11:38 AM (89T5c)

89 Once again, for a look into ordinary(?) lives inside North Korea, I recommend Nothing to Envy by Barbara Demick.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2018 11:38 AM (MVjcR)

90 Almost May and it's freaking 39 degrees out and rainy. Grrr.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 28, 2018 11:39 AM (Tyii7)

91 Rate from most to least difficult to deprogram and integrate into civilized society.

4. North Koreans (all classes high and low)
5. Palestinians (among other Muhumud peoples)
2. East Germans (among other USSR peoples)
1. Freed slaves (1865 USA primarily)
3. Millennial snowflakes (and their enablers)

1. Freed slaves wanted to be left alone, after a life of coercion. And most of them had skills in farming or other areas they could use to make a life.

2. East Germans had grown up socialist, but they had a history of civilization they could fall back on. The older ones were hopeless, though.

3. Millennial snowflakes - their ennablers need to be executed, but once that happens the snowflakes have no character of strength of personality themselves. They just need regular beatings and they'll do what they're told.

4. North Koreans - they've been in thrall too long, and are little more than farm animals at this point. Maybe in a generation or two.

5. Arabs - forget it. No hope.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2018 11:39 AM (V2Yro)

92
How dreadful to live in a country like that. And what's more, they
have no idea just how much they are being lied to. Not to mention the
unspeakable cruelty perpetrated by the government.
=====

Hate to say or think it, but our own is not far behind. Sadly, Europe is already there (again), so we know what is involved.

How is FB algorithms working to stop EU 'hate speech' btw. You know they are doing it here as well -- just denying it more.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 11:40 AM (MIKMs)

93 Sunny day here in the mid Atlantic and I was promised a rainy day.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2018 11:40 AM (MVjcR)

94 I remember students running for my university student council on the basis of being against the war in Vietnam. This was in a Canadian university.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at April 28, 2018 11:41 AM (nBr1j)

95 Every time I think lowly of the Millennial generation (sans military) I have to think of the previous generation that raised them and was supposed to teach them. Things don't go haywire in a vacuum. It took more than a few generations to get to this point imo.

Posted by: Quint
-------------------------

A most horrible phrase: "it'll work itself out" or "don't worry, it'll work out".

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 11:41 AM (4wipQ)

96 Sunny day here in the mid Atlantic and I was promised a rainy day.
Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2018 11:40 AM (MVjcR)

Keep an eye out for U-boats.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 28, 2018 11:41 AM (y87Qq)

97 Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (n13/j)

Agreed. I particularly admire the way that teachers, after a couple generations of telling parents to back off and let experts raise their kids (and no, the parents shouldn't have complied) are now, when the inevitable consequences of kids emotionally detached from *any body* creates murderers, screaming that it isn't fair of parents to expect schools to raise kids.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2018 11:41 AM (rp9xB)

98 Michael Malice wrote a book on North Korea called Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il

He is a professional ghost writer and has his own podcast, but you have to pay him money to listen. But he's an Anarchist so I expect he won't mind.

So here are two links to podcasts he did

With Mandy Stadtmiller (Newswhore) about the book
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6vwgxsz

and if you like a slightly more pedestrian podcast

With Tom Woods (Tom Woods Show) about N Korea in 2017
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yc9ar9ck

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2018 11:42 AM (2K6fY)

99 "Furry Boi? Move over meatcake." - Emperor Norton I of San Francisco.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 28, 2018 11:42 AM (xp7xD)

100 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (Dp6qK)

Every time I think lowly of the Millennial generation (sans military) I have to think of the previous generation that raised them and was supposed to teach them. Things don't go haywire in a vacuum. It took more than a few generations to get to this point imo.
Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (n13/j)

It did. One thing stacked on top of the last, which was stacked on top of what came before that.

The list of factors though, include a school system most people didn't think of as anything other than benign, a mass media (television, movies, print, etc) industry that people just assumed could be trusted to tell the truth, and a government that was supposedly made up of us.

As parents, we DO bear a responsibility for how our children emerge. But the extent of that responsibility, it's damn near impossible for most parents to have done what could have been done, as their children were growing, to counter the onslaught their children were subjected to, by the rest of the culture.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:43 AM (Pz4pT)

101 This peace deal won't open the borders and let NK people just flow freely into the south. It just ends the official state of war, as I understand it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:44 AM (39g3+)

102 Another failure of Jimmah Carter - US Dept. of Education. Or should we call it the US Dept. of Indoctrination?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 28, 2018 11:44 AM (xp7xD)

103 "People who think Mueller is there to get Hillary.

Worst thing is they back up their theories. And they are kind of convincing. ...
There really may be a LOT more going on than meets the eye.

Posted by: blaster

The raid of trump's lawyer and all the delays on FOIA requests and even demands from Congress (with legal oversight) give me doubts about those theories. We sure hope this has been over a year of getting ready to actually take down the "DeepState" shadow people, but so far DeepState continues to operate.

Supposedly more to be revealed next month, and Strzok and Page types are busy "singing". Maybe.

This is judicial watch, starts with Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer talking of Deep State going back to Nixon being "handled", and Kissinger having his notes rifled through routinely by the secret people. Also notes some FBI refused to participate in Mueller's raid (orchestrated by him at least, with Rosenstein approval, Sessions unaware?) -- raid on Trump's lawyer.

https://youtu.be/lpijxzB1d8Y?t=513

Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2018 11:45 AM (bT8Z4)

104 What I'm getting at is that there is 1 (one) student rep that I have ever known who I can state with certainty was not a squirrel.

*folds arms*

*waits for inevitable "nut" jest and witticism*

Posted by: hogmartin at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (y87Qq)

College student unions are nothing more than incubators for young Socialists.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2018 11:45 AM (WFV7d)

105 Things don't go haywire in a vacuum. It took more than a few generations to get to this point imo.

I'm reminded of John Cleese, bemoaning that England doesn't look like England any longer.

No, John. Because of your policies and what you supported, the ideas and politics you embrace, this is what you get.

None of the things that led to where we are no were done maliciously, they were all meant to help and make a better world. Every villain thinks they're the hero of the piece. They all think they're breaking a few eggs to make a perfect omelette.

The incremental changes made by previous generations led to the horrors of the next. And they were warned repeatedly but mocked the warnings and attacked the people who warned.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:47 AM (39g3+)

106 98
Michael Malice wrote a book on North Korea called Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il

It's interesting to watch interviews with Michael Malice and Suki Kim back to back. There's virtually zero difference between the impression you get of the country from each of them but they are radically different in background and politics.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 28, 2018 11:47 AM (vWMNq)

107 I had read somewhere, some time ago, the Chinese are extraordinarily brutal toward Norks they find to have crossed the border."

I wonder what China would do if they shared a border with Mexico.

heh, I don't really wonder.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2018 11:48 AM (V2Yro)

108 Every time I think lowly of the Millennial generation (sans military) I have to think of the previous generation that raised them and was supposed to teach them. Things don't go haywire in a vacuum.

'Family' is now what people do now for two hours after work. Nobody's home, no neighbors are home, everybody's off trying to pay rent and taxes.

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2018 11:48 AM (9tO1t)

109 The problem with liberating North Korea is the same problem as trying to liberate the Middle East. The Democrats would salivate at the thought of all the nice new "refugees" with which to bloat their voter rolls. As long as we have a party that is willing to opportunistically destroy this country just to stay in power, we can't really afford to take such actions. We first need to correct everything that's been fucked up with our immigration policies for the past several decades.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 11:50 AM (/qEW2)

110 I wonder what China would do if they shared a border with Mexico.
heh, I don't really wonder.
=====

Just the hint of 'we'll make our immigration policies like Canada and Mexico' shuts them all up. Especially with younger people spouting the party line.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 11:50 AM (MIKMs)

111 since it's the weekend, here's some dating chatter:

Online dating sites hire professional writers to connect with their clients.

"You could be flirting with paid impersonators on dating apps"

https://tinyurl.com/ycarbjf5

Posted by: kallisto at April 28, 2018 11:50 AM (Iz8Py)

112 95,97 When they asked Ben Franklin what type of government the Founders gave us, he said, "a Republic, if you can keep it". Seems like a straight forward admonition to the generations. If this generation is the "worst generation", then why is that? Who raised them and was supposed to teach them?

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:51 AM (n13/j)

113 Anything interesting going on for you this weekend?

No. Just the usual. Watching life go by.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 11:51 AM (NWiLs)

114 111 since it's the weekend, here's some dating chatter:

Online dating sites hire professional writers to connect with their clients.

"You could be flirting with paid impersonators on dating apps"

https://tinyurl.com/ycarbjf5
Posted by: kallisto at April 28, 2018 11:50 AM (Iz8Py)

This doesn't surprise me at all.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 11:51 AM (NWiLs)

115 Never once has my life or academic career been affected one way or another by who was in student government, and the only student representative I could identify in a lineup today would be... the girl I dated Junior year of high school was the class treasurer or something.

What I'm getting at is that there is 1 (one) student rep that I have ever known who I can state with certainty was not a squirrel.

*folds arms*
*waits for inevitable "nut" jest and witticism*
Posted by: hogmartin at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (y87Qq)

Way back when, I taught in a high school, and there was a young man, very very smart, mediocre student, who I sorta mentored, encouraged, and might damn well have been the first person to ever notice he had some damned worth in this world.

Anyhoo, long story short, he decided to run for President, and most people considered him a joke. He told jokes at the school assembly (he was a very funny guy), at which the candidates all spoke. He was up against the blond haired, blue eyed jock, and the saccharin sweet cheerleader girl. It was a freakin' cliche, playing out in real life.

Well, he won.

The rest of the teachers, and the administration were furious. They tried to overturn the results. I kid you not, this was an absolute scandal of epic proportions.

I left after that year, so I only heard second hand, they hounded the poor kid, but he completed his term, I think.

I have no idea where he is now. I hope the experience was useful for him, taught him something important about life, his place in the universe, where he would encounter shitty shitty adult humans, and be better equipped to handle it. That is my fervent hope.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)

116 The incremental changes made by previous generations led to the horrors of the next. And they were warned repeatedly but mocked the warnings and attacked the people who warned.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
**********************

The next generation grows up in it's own reality and that reality is created by its predecessor.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 11:52 AM (4wipQ)

117 Paid impersonators on dating apps?

It will just take one client with a few screws loose to go all YouTube on one of these dating place's headquarters.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 28, 2018 11:53 AM (xp7xD)

118 If this generation is the "worst generation", then why is that? Who raised them and was supposed to teach them?

Right, I reject the idea that millennials are the worst generation. The worst one is the generation that raised them to be this way. If anything, they're victims of their parents, who did not prepare them, teach them, or help them understand the world. They can learn, grow, and change. The ones that made them this way are beyond help.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:53 AM (39g3+)

119 WA state? I give you Jeanne Dixon. People voted for her because they thought she was the woman that did all the predictions. She wasn't.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 28, 2018 11:53 AM (Lqy/e)

120 I have no idea where he is now. I hope the experience was useful for him, taught him something important about life, his place in the universe, where he would encounter shitty shitty adult humans, and be better equipped to handle it. That is my fervent hope.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)

Either that or it crushed him. Hopefully it was the former. So many in the educational system are shallow, stupid assholes.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 11:54 AM (NWiLs)

121 I wonder what China would do if they shared a border with Mexico.
heh, I don't really wonder.
=====

Take a look at what China is doing on its own southern border.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 11:54 AM (4wipQ)

122 Mrs. Macron is, in addition to being and old hag, obtuse.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2018 11:54 AM (bUjCl)

123 The next generation grows up in it's own reality and that reality is created by its predecessor."

an unfortunate reality is that the "Greatest Generation" was the lousiest generation when it came to raising decent kids. It's one things that still gripes me about a lot, not all, but a lot of seniors I know today (frex, in church) They tend to be a pack of mamby pamby liberal shitheads, even in Texas, that don't have a clue as to how they helped things go so far off the tracks.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2018 11:55 AM (V2Yro)

124 Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2018 11:45 AM (bT8Z4)

DerpState used the same tactic to take down my congressman Curt Weldon, in 2006 I think it was.

Curt had been speaking out on the House floor and written a book that exposed IC shenanigans. It didn't take long before his house was very publicly raided by the FBI. The news media had been alerted beforehand and the photo of the g-men carrying boxes of files out of his private residence was featured on the front page of the local newspaper. Of course he lost the 19th election in which he was a candidate. He was a perennial winner for 18 years before the set-up spectacle.

It is now 12 years later and Curt Weldon has never been charged with any crime, misdemeanor, or malfeasance. It was all a big show to get rid of him.

That's what the Michael Cohen raid is all about.

Posted by: kallisto at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (Iz8Py)

125 http://bit.ly/2jgDd3d
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New York Times Reporter Amy Chozick Complains Media Failed Hillary Clinton in 2016 | Breitbart

Posted by: JoshBARROquette at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (y3aQB)

126 What am I doing this weekend? Final (I hope) edit on the novel, my road-trip/romance set in the 10th century.

Can I hold Squirrel Boy responsible for all the damage and vandalism done to our garden over the last couple of decades? Granted, we aren't even in California, but group guilt seems to be a thing these days, at least for some groups.

Posted by: Annalucia at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (S6ArX)

127 Interesting this weekend? My Boston Bruins vs Tampa Bay Lightning at 3 est.

Warning to football, basketball, and baseball fans, if you watch this hockey playoff series, it may ruin you for everything else.

Beware.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (IeDO8)

128 Squirrel, the next Gov of CA.

Posted by: TitanTom at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (agte1)

129 "You could be flirting with paid impersonators on dating apps"

==

The Paolo, he never impersonates. Does all flirting himself.

Posted by: The Paolo at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (bUjCl)

130 118 If this generation is the "worst generation", then why is that? Who raised them and was supposed to teach them?

Right, I reject the idea that millennials are the worst generation. The worst one is the generation that raised them to be this way. If anything, they're victims of their parents, who did not prepare them, teach them, or help them understand the world. They can learn, grow, and change. The ones that made them this way are beyond help.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 11:53 AM (39g3+)

One of the problems out there is the world, generally speaking, shits on decent people and rewards the assholes.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (NWiLs)

131 I have no idea where he is now. I hope the experience was useful for him, taught him something important about life, his place in the universe, where he would encounter shitty shitty adult humans, and be better equipped to handle it. That is my fervent hope.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)

Either that or it crushed him. Hopefully it was the former. So many in the educational system are shallow, stupid assholes.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 11:54 AM (NWiLs)

Yes. I kept in contact with some of the other teachers after I left.. for a while. It could have gone either way, for him. At that point though, he was a senior in high school, he was going to be who he would be, and like I said, I hope the experience was educational for him.

Imagine that... a school experience being educational.....

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (Pz4pT)

132 Every time I think lowly of the Millennial
generation (sans military) I have to think of the previous generation
that raised them and was supposed to teach them. Things don't go haywire
in a vacuum.

'Family' is now what people do now for two hours after work.
Nobody's home, no neighbors are home, everybody's off trying to pay rent
and taxes.

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2018 11:48 AM (9tO1t)

I am with you on the real issue. It is societal there is no question about that. But people don't want to face that, they want someone to pass a law. Government has replaced society and family, and it is not just Democrats that think gov. can fix everything.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (n13/j)

133 27 If a man is going to identify as an animal, you're think he'd pick a more impressive animal. A saber-toothed tiger or a grizzly bear, for instance. Not a little rodent who frequents ends up as roadkill. Then again - Berkeley.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at April 28, 2018 11:19 AM (H80UQ)

They want cuddled by blue-haired chix.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (di1hb)

134 It is now 12 years later and Curt Weldon has never
been charged with any crime, misdemeanor, or malfeasance. It was all a
big show to get rid of him. That's what the Michael Cohen raid is all about. Posted by: kallisto at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (Iz8Py)
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Read up on the WI 'John Doe' raids. Exactly.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 11:58 AM (MIKMs)

135 I'm making the best meatloaf EVA, in my electric pressure cooker, to bring to friends house.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob "promoting the rights of pressure cookers everywhere!" at April 28, 2018 11:59 AM (aljs9)

136 Re :squirrel guy

They want to make a joke of tangible, real scientific standards and practices in order to normalize the statistical non-events and then they get pissed when someone agrees with them?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at April 28, 2018 11:59 AM (VgKNm)

137 Bunch of female journos are circling wagons around Brokow. Guess all female victims of sexual harassment are to be believed ... Until their accusations threaten the Left's favorites.

Fen's Law: the Left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture the rest of us about.

Posted by: Fen at April 28, 2018 11:59 AM (52kHI)

138 Interesting this weekend? My Boston Bruins vs Tampa Bay Lightning at 3 est.

Warning to football, basketball, and baseball fans, if you watch this hockey playoff series, it may ruin you for everything else.

Beware.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (IeDO

The only thing I know about pro hockey is there is less traffic these days, on evening when there would otherwise be a game.

I root for the Blues to miss the playoffs. Or get bounced in the first round, which they usually do.. so this year I cherish the fact they didn't make it at all.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:59 AM (Pz4pT)

139 an unfortunate reality is that the "Greatest Generation" was the lousiest generation when it came to raising decent kids.

In a way it wasn't on them. They knew what was right and how to behave, they tried to pass that on to their kids, but... they couldn't explain WHY what they knew was right. They didn't have the tools, they weren't ready to explain anything.

And for the men at least, after what they'd gone through and done, they had an awfully hard time condemning what their kids were saying and doing. So they weren't strong about teaching and leading them. That's what I see at least.

The truth is, if you've lived a bad life, or if you've done things you truly regret in the past, you're especially positioned to warn others about. Its not hypocritical to say "don't do what I did" its honest. You know the consequences and meaning of what you did.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 12:00 PM (39g3+)

140 They want cuddled by blue-haired squirrel fursona chix named Brad.

Fixed for accuracy

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 28, 2018 12:00 PM (xp7xD)

141 This weekend? Whitening my teeth, listening to 2 sermons on Pentecost, watching the baseball game, and going to Thing #2's birthday party, thankfully not at Chuck E Cheese.

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 28, 2018 12:01 PM (lwiT4)

142 Imagine that... a school experience being educational.....
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (Pz4pT)

That's against Department of Education policy.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:01 PM (NWiLs)

143 78

So, the Nork pron market is about to go hot? Hmmm, business ideas abound...
Posted by: Willie Poker at April 28, 2018 11:34 AM (AyGZp)

The production, distribution or watching of pornography is a capital offense in North Korea.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 28, 2018 12:03 PM (zTtjJ)

144 I wouldn't mind cuddling with a blue-haired chick, as long as she was Zev Bellringer from the show Lexx.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:03 PM (NWiLs)

145 Granddog is visiting today. It'll take another hour before she calms down enough to be the charming intelligent beastie she is. Kinda like the grandkids -- run through everything pulling it out to make sure that all is the same.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 12:03 PM (MIKMs)

146 an unfortunate reality is that the "Greatest Generation" was the lousiest generation when it came to raising decent kids. It's one things that still gripes me about a lot, not all, but a lot of seniors I know today (frex, in church) They tend to be a pack of mamby pamby liberal shitheads, even in Texas, that don't have a clue as to how they helped things go so far off the tracks.

Posted by: Tom Servo
*******************

A perspective: They grew up in hard times then went to war and conquered the world. They came home, had children and thought "children I give you this world we only dreamed of, take it".

The problem they didn't realize was that working for that world is what gave it value and the benefactors had no idea.

It's degenerated each successive generation to today's safe rooms in school libraries from the trauma of homework.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 12:05 PM (4wipQ)

147 thankfully not at Chuck E Cheese.

==

Uno, Due, Malnatis ? gotta raise them right

Posted by: The Paolo at April 28, 2018 12:06 PM (bUjCl)

148 Imagine that... a school experience being educational.....
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:57 AM (Pz4pT)

That's against Department of Education policy.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:01 PM (NWiLs)

Times like these, I realize just how incredibly naive I can be. I do hope. Not fake Obama bullshit hope, but real hope, that kids in schools, in spite of everything, might learn things that will help them in life.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:06 PM (Pz4pT)

149 >>>The truth is, if you've lived a bad life, or if you've done things you
truly regret in the past, you're especially positioned to warn others
about<<<

Someone has to set the example not to follow.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at April 28, 2018 12:06 PM (3DZIZ)

150 offf

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2018 12:06 PM (bUjCl)

151 71 In the early 1980's in Washington State a bunch of barflies in Olympia formed the OWL Party. It stood for Out with Logic, On with Lunacy. The guy running for Attorney General for instance, proposed funding the state by taxing the proceeds from criminal activities. I think he actually came in at second place. The person running for Secretary of State posted no photos, no campaign promises and got 40,000 votes.......

Posted by: Winston at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (wgCUV)
------------------------------
Heh.
In the 2012 Dem primary in W VA, some guy who was doing hard time in an Alabama prison managed to get on the ballot against Obama, who was otherwise unopposed.
IIRC, he got about 40% of the vote.

They had tried to get Daffy Duck on but the state wouldn't allow it because he they could not verify his signature. Pity!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 12:07 PM (0jtPF)

152 In Berkley, squirrels are Toxic Masculinity...
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Pfft. We will see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their women.

Posted by: Nutria at April 28, 2018 12:07 PM (5OO3x)

153 Concordia Publishing House's VBS ad just came up in my Facebook feed. The one Google banned.

It's literally Hitler. Boys and Girls pictured white-water rafting. I'm so triggered, I'm shaking.

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 28, 2018 12:08 PM (lwiT4)

154 Jeebuz, writing fake dating stuff for $12 an hour sounds worse than any job I've had.

Also weird that she's representing the guy, who is what? To busy to do his own flirting?

Last time I did online dating was four years ago. The girls were real, it just took some focused effort and some game and it worked out pretty well until it wasn't what I was looking for after all.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2018 12:08 PM (fuK7c)

155 Someone has to set the example not to follow.
=====

None of my kidlets smoke. Hey, I did something right as a bad example!

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 12:08 PM (MIKMs)

156 They had tried to get Daffy Duck on but the state wouldn't allow it because he they could not verify his signature. Pity!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

dead dudes do well in Dem primaries, very popular with dead voters

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2018 12:09 PM (bUjCl)

157 an unfortunate reality is that the "Greatest Generation" was the lousiest generation when it came to raising decent kids.

In a way it wasn't on them. They knew what was right and how to behave, they tried to pass that on to their kids, but... they couldn't explain WHY what they knew was right. They didn't have the tools, they weren't ready to explain anything.

After seeing the way the left/media uses and manipulates millenials/ignoramii to screeching, riots, and violence so easily, I am not sure that any amount of fault worthy of mention is due anywhere else.

Humans are dumb animals by default. I blame the exploiters.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 12:09 PM (Dp6qK)

158 People who think Mueller is there to get Hillary.

That's retarded, SIR.

He picked Hillary partisans for his team.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 28, 2018 12:09 PM (oVJmc)

159 Read "The Orphan Master's Son" for a fictionalized look inside NK

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 28, 2018 12:10 PM (UsbN3)

160 And now on Facebook, I'm watching Mario Lopez get baptized in the Jordan River.

I sense a theme here.

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 28, 2018 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

161 155 Someone has to set the example not to follow.

A negative example can sometimes be just as or more helpful than a positive example. I'm using the clusterfuck that my life became to try to teach my kids, especially my sons, how to have better lives.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:11 PM (NWiLs)

162 Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (IeDO

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Penguin fan & you are right. Nothing compares to playoff hockey

Posted by: JoshBARROquette at April 28, 2018 12:11 PM (y3aQB)

163 They had tried to get Daffy Duck on but the state wouldn't allow it because he they could not verify his signature. Pity!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille
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Old time ballot machines allowed a write in vote to persist. In other words, if one wrote in Daffy Duck, all the successive voters would see and have the opportunity to vote for Daffy.

Politicians put a stop to that foolishness when TV started publishing Daffy's vote count.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 12:11 PM (4wipQ)

164 The girls were real, it just took some focused effort and some game and it worked out pretty well until it wasn't what I was looking for after all.

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29 turned out to be 92 ? dislexia ?

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2018 12:11 PM (bUjCl)

165
A squirrel in the Senate at Berkeley.

Mimicking real life much?

Posted by: irongrampa at April 28, 2018 12:12 PM (S/hVx)

166 A perspective: They grew up in hard times then went to war and conquered the world. They came home, had children and thought "children I give you this world we only dreamed of, take it".

The problem they didn't realize was that working for that world is what gave it value and the benefactors had no idea.

It's degenerated each successive generation to today's safe rooms in school libraries from the trauma of homework.
Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 12:05 PM (4wipQ)

Yup. We can look back and say "you should have known," but really, should they have known?

Many of these parents genuinely thought they were sending their children into the world, into the schools, into the popular culture, and they THOUGHT this was a culture that they knew, that was what they fought for.

Is it really proper to indict this generation with having not realized, not known, how screwed up it was to trust the culture?

Here and there, things happened, some of them darkly horrific, to children raised in households without a foundation of love. Seriously. So those same kids were being raised by schools and television and everything else, alongside YOUR kids, who were being raised by decent, loving parents.

And YOUR kids were influenced by the darkness that you could have never known was there, because it made absolutely no sense to you whatsoever, to imagine you would find it here, in the US of A.

I don't fault them. They weren't perfect, but hell, nobody is.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:12 PM (Pz4pT)

167 Funny you talking about VBS, grammie. Last year up in Dane County my kids were pulling me away from the ads at the various fast food stores. It was so much fun for the kids and I miss that enthusiasm.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 12:13 PM (MIKMs)

168 I think we need a finer granularity than "generations" to track how we got to this point. I think that most people simply weren't paying attention to what was happening in the public schools. And why should they? They didn't realize that many of the teachers were saboteurs, gardeners sprinkling poison on the ground instead of nurturing the plants.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 12:13 PM (/qEW2)

169 My brother works in law enforcement. He's a detective. He got some great news on a case he had a small but significant role in gathering information for a sister jurisdiction. He shared it with me, but I can't tell anyone.

I'm so stoked, and so proud.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 28, 2018 12:13 PM (MCbul)

170 "None of the things that led to where we are no were done maliciously,
they were all meant to help and make a better world. Every villain
thinks they're the hero of the piece." C Taylor

Well there are certainly villains of history that just wanted to conquer, and as warfare developed into "pysop" war, they learned it helps to put a veneer of "trying to make the world better" on top of the villainy.

The Soviet infiltration was designed to destroy US, more than make us better. Did they really think communism running the world was "better for the world", or were they mostly conquerors that wanted their people to win?

Allegedly Eve was seduced but Adam willingly disobeyed. The Deep State and Soros types are trying to make a better world for themselves, not for everyone. imo.

Sure plenty of people get swept up in promises of utopia, but isn't it really the promise of "free stuff" that has been winning elections? Free health care for all, free college, free love ... selfish interests, not true "Better World" self reliance. The counterfeit "better world" is an appeal to self interest, at the expense of others.

But yeah, propaganda puts a happy face on (theoretical) totalitarianism. But the engineers writing the propaganda want to conquer.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2018 12:13 PM (bT8Z4)

171 Probably the first thing lost by progs is any sense of humor.
It's why they react so badly to satire and mockery. If all they know is how to scold it's useless to try to even talk with them.
I hadn't heard about the guy in WV but, good on him.
Bugs Bunny was always my guide.
Now of course, we have Fatty Murray as senator of life.
I can't stand to see her anywhere. She looks and bleats like a sheep. On the plus side though, she and Maria Cantwell never darken the door in Eastern WA. No votes and no money.

Posted by: Winston at April 28, 2018 12:13 PM (wgCUV)

172 Times like these, I realize just how incredibly naive I can be. I do hope. Not fake Obama bullshit hope, but real hope, that kids in schools, in spite of everything, might learn things that will help them in life.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:06 PM (Pz4pT)

Who knows. Maybe at least some of them will recognize the bullshit they're being fed for what it is, and proceed accordingly. The main lessons I learned from school, especially prior to high school, is that kids are assholes, adults aren't much better, and people in positions of authority are not to be trusted.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

173 She noted that everyone in the country had to lie, to pretend, constantly in order to survive.

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So a lot like MSNBC.

Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 12:14 PM (+y/Ru)

174 Shit fucking dick damn stoopid pollen. I can't spend more than a few minutes outside without my throat closing and start choking and coughing.

Posted by: Monk at April 28, 2018 12:16 PM (573j3)

175 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 28, 2018 11:32 AM (Dp6qK)

Every time I think lowly of the Millennial generation (sans
military) I have to think of the previous generation that raised them
and was supposed to teach them. Things don't go haywire in a vacuum. It
took more than a few generations to get to this point imo.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 11:36 AM (n13/j)

It did. One thing stacked on top of the last, which was stacked on top of what came before that.

The list of factors though, include a school system most people
didn't think of as anything other than benign, a mass media (television,
movies, print, etc) industry that people just assumed could be trusted
to tell the truth, and a government that was supposedly made up of us.

As parents, we DO bear a responsibility for how our children emerge.
But the extent of that responsibility, it's damn near impossible for
most parents to have done what could have been done, as their children
were growing, to counter the onslaught their children were subjected to,
by the rest of the culture.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:43 AM (Pz4pT)

Those that wanted to tear apart the American Fabric were smart to take over education and the media, no question there.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 12:17 PM (n13/j)

176 Probably the first thing lost by progs is any sense of humor.

well, they never had it

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2018 12:17 PM (bUjCl)

177 Shit fucking dick damn stoopid pollen. I can't spend more than a few
minutes outside without my throat closing and start choking and
coughing.
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Really bad this year. Don't know if the trees are overcompensating for the rough winter? Another six weeks at least here of this nonsense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 12:19 PM (MIKMs)

178 They didn't realize that many of the teachers were saboteurs, gardeners sprinkling poison on the ground instead of nurturing the plants.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear
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GI Bill became a big fertile ground for commie academia to proliferate.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 12:19 PM (4wipQ)

179 I'm so stoked, and so proud.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 28, 2018 12:13 PM (MCbul)
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Awwwww man! Give us a hint!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2018 12:19 PM (MVjcR)

180 To "help" students? How in the hell is a student government wonk going to "help" anybody?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2018 12:20 PM (inyex)

181 Times like these, I realize just how incredibly naive I can be. I do hope. Not fake Obama bullshit hope, but real hope, that kids in schools, in spite of everything, might learn things that will help them in life.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:06 PM (Pz4pT)

Who knows. Maybe at least some of them will recognize the bullshit they're being fed for what it is, and proceed accordingly. The main lessons I learned from school, especially prior to high school, is that kids are assholes, adults aren't much better, and people in positions of authority are not to be trusted.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

Yes. I learned the very same thing, and I think it has been one of the things that has saved my life. Seriously.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:22 PM (Pz4pT)

182 When I was growing up, home was a hellish mess and school was a blessed island of sanity. Now that kids are going to schools that themselves are a hellish mess, if their home life sucks, it's no mystery why we see what we're seeing. What chance do they have?

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 28, 2018 12:22 PM (lwiT4)

183 None of the things that led to where we are no were done maliciously, they were all meant to help and make a better world.

It's the Pax. The G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate that we added to the air processors.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 12:22 PM (yQpMk)

184 To "help" students? How in the hell is a student government wonk going to "help" anybody?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

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It's a sub-tribal school group enabling members to get laid by like minded tribal entities.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 12:23 PM (4wipQ)

185 To "help" students? How in the hell is a student government wonk going to "help" anybody?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2018 12:20 PM (inyex)

Hey, the rubberstamping of the spending decisions for the students' special fees ain't gonna happen on its own, and the committee to choose the colors for the homecoming ball isn't going to head itself, right?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2018 12:23 PM (2K6fY)

186 North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, who is married and has a daughter, reportedly keeps a "Pleasure Squad" of schoolgirls who are as young as 13.

Kim dispatches his officials to hunt for "tall and beautiful" young women, just as his father had. When the girls are selected, they're given medical examinations to verify that their virginity is intact.

Sometimes the schoolgirls are pulled from their classrooms when they're chosen. Families are not told where the daughters will be taken, and the girls are never permitted to speak to relatives again. If they try to run away, the young women are often executed.

The 2,000 young women in the "Pleasure Squad" are expected to service their leader and elite military members by offering sexual services, massages and nude dancing for as long as a decade.

https://bit.ly/2Fpdr5o

Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 12:24 PM (+y/Ru)

187 Actual conversation while moving a piano at a school;

7 year old- "Why are you moving the piano?"

Me- "Series of bad life decisions, kid."

My helper- "ROFL"

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at April 28, 2018 12:24 PM (3DZIZ)

188 Really bad this year. Don't know if the trees are overcompensating for the rough winter? Another six weeks at least here of this nonsense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 12:19 PM (MIKMs)

I'm considering buying a gas mask and walking around my land in grippies and a gas mask.

It's freaking terrible. Cold, rain, cold, sunny warm more pollen. Then repeat the cycle over and over since March. I need sunlight and excercise outside or I may go Jack Torrence soon.

Posted by: Monk at April 28, 2018 12:24 PM (573j3)

189 Gardening thread is up. Or you can stick around here.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at April 28, 2018 12:24 PM (BVQ+1)

190 Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 28, 2018 12:13 PM (MCbul)

He likely violated policy by sharing info with you.

I would keep very quiet.

Posted by: ha at April 28, 2018 12:25 PM (MAstk)

191
Enough of us have been raised in what I call "the old ways" that are so derided now.

We MUST pass this on to our children. It will, in time, be our salvation.

Meanwhile you do whatever you can to counter prevailing idiocy, no matter how miniscule it may seem.

And all that starts at the most local level--all things flow from that.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 28, 2018 12:25 PM (S/hVx)

192 187 Actual conversation while moving a piano at a school;

7 year old- "Why are you moving the piano?"

Me- "Series of bad life decisions, kid."

My helper- "ROFL"
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at April 28, 2018 12:24 PM (3DZIZ)

Classic.

Posted by: Monk at April 28, 2018 12:26 PM (573j3)

193 Garden Nood

Posted by: Big V at April 28, 2018 12:27 PM (ZvLtE)

194 189 Gardening thread is up. Or you can stick around here.
Posted by: KTbarthedoor at April 28, 2018 12:24 PM (BVQ+1)

Moar pollen!

Posted by: Monk at April 28, 2018 12:27 PM (573j3)

195 Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 11:43 AM (Pz4pT)

Those that wanted to tear apart the American Fabric were smart to take over education and the media, no question there.
Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 12:17 PM (n13/j)

One of the things that gives me hope is just how little of our popular culture exists today as a single entity. Think about it. Not too many years ago, everybody watched the same movies, the same tv shows, listened to the same music, got their so-called news from the same sources.

That singularity does NOT exist anymore.

The counter culture.. is us! Truly. Every place on the internet, every little niche of musical style, every weird tv show that exists on some weird channel.. they can't control the flow. THEY can try to shut people out of places like twitter, facebook, youtube, but they can't. It won't work. There's too much of a free-for-all going on, and lefty propaganda, whether it's the old Soviet bloc, or North Korea, or here in the good ol' US of A, requires them to be able to control the flow.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:27 PM (Pz4pT)

196 @158 that part is described as double secret probation, kinda.

Mueller hires Dems ONLY so that will give the ultimate credibility. Yeah, I know, kinda sounds like wishcasting, too.

But it is true that Trump met with Mueller and Rosenstein before the call for a SC over the firing of Comey.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2018 12:28 PM (jHrzU)

197 Now that kids are going to schools that themselves are a hellish mess,
if their home life sucks, it's no mystery why we see what we're seeing.
What chance do they have?
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As teachers have made it clear that parents are bad and incompetent and however privileged and carefully raised children are 'victims' of bad parenting, I don't see any of this ending well. Oh, I know, bash parents some more and encourage the 'joys' of childrearing to face the unremitting criticism and potential legal liabilities. Yep, it is up to the 'experts' now.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 12:29 PM (MIKMs)

198 "When I was growing up, home was a hellish mess and school was a blessed island of sanity. Now that kids are going to schools that themselves are a hellish mess, if their home life sucks, it's no mystery why we see what we're seeing. What chance do they have?"
-Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 28, 2018 12:22 PM (lwiT4)

When I was growing up, home was only occasionally a vicious hellscape. I also escaped in school. I wasn't popular, but I had friends that I couldn't wait to see.

The classes were interesting and I survived math.

I cannot imagine having the bullshit poured into my head that these small children endure on a daily basis.

When you are taught that the rest of the world, including your own countrymen are demons?!?

The long march trough the institutions included an entire dose of evil.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:30 PM (Ckg4U)

199 The counter culture.. is us!

How weird is that? I mean, seriously. The Counterculture of yore became The Man, and now we're the ones on the other side.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:30 PM (NWiLs)

200 *through

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:30 PM (Ckg4U)

201 Online dating sites hire professional writers to connect with their clients.

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Employment opportunity for Joy Reid?

Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

202 Many of these parents genuinely thought they were sending their children into the world, into the schools, into the popular culture, and they THOUGHT this was a culture that they knew, that was what they fought for.

And that was fine, the problem is that they didn't teach their kids fundamentally why they should be have as they should, or what they'd been fighting for all along. And they didn't listen to their parents warning about giving your kids too much, too easily.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 12:31 PM (39g3+)

203 "The counter culture.. is us!
How weird is that? I mean, seriously. The Counterculture of yore became The Man, and now we're the ones on the other side."

Yup. We're the Cool Kids.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:31 PM (Ckg4U)

204 198 "When I was growing up, home was a hellish mess and school was a blessed island of sanity. Now that kids are going to schools that themselves are a hellish mess, if their home life sucks, it's no mystery why we see what we're seeing. What chance do they have?"
-Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 28, 2018 12:22 PM (lwiT4)

Yeah. Things weren't quite as insane for me as they were for you, but I had a similar deal. Home sucked, school sucked, so there wasn't anywhere to go. I think it's why I've developed avoidant personality characteristics.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:32 PM (NWiLs)

205 You're one of The Cool Kids, Insomniac.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:33 PM (Ckg4U)

206 205 You're one of The Cool Kids, Insomniac.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:33 PM (Ckg4U)

Cool? Not really. Defiant? Bet your ass.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2018 12:34 PM (NWiLs)

207 I'll take it.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:34 PM (Ckg4U)

208 Every place on the internet, every little niche of musical style, every weird tv show that exists on some weird channel.. they can't control the flow. THEY can try to shut people out of places like twitter, facebook, youtube, but they can't. It won't work.

They also try to do things like deprive Fox or Rush of advertisers, or try to pass laws that would allow them to censor political ads they don't like. The brazenness is scary, but true, they haven't succeeded yet.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 12:36 PM (/qEW2)

209 The destruction of the old studio system in Hollywood and the replacement of the Hays Code with the current Progtard Code has had a lot to do with the collapse of the culture and our current social insanity.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at April 28, 2018 12:37 PM (3DZIZ)

210 When I was growing up, home was a hellish mess and school was a blessed island of sanity. Now that kids are going to schools that themselves are a hellish mess, if their home life sucks, it's no mystery why we see what we're seeing. What chance do they have?
Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 28, 2018 12:22 PM (lwiT4)

I will say this, which isn't a defense of the school system, but it is a factor:

Once upon a time, a classroom with 20 kids, 1-2 of them were being raised in hellish households.

Today, that same classroom of 20 kids, 10 or more of them are being raised in broken homes, with substance abuse going on with the parent(s), emotional, physical, and sexual abuse being perpetrated on the kids.

School systems are overwhelmed, and even if we had dedicated, decent, moral people running these systems (which we often don't), they would be powerless to change much of that.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:38 PM (Pz4pT)

211 Hey, the rubberstamping of the spending decisions for the students' special fees ain't gonna happen on its own, and the committee to choose the colors for the homecoming ball isn't going to head itself, right?
Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2018 12:23 PM (2K6fY)

A friend and I once went to Sproul Hall and reviewed the spending of the Associated Students' Body (IIRC), to which we all were forced to pay.

There were a bunch of items: $500 for this, $700 for that, $350 for the other, etc., and then $11,000 for the "Educational Liberation Front." And no, no one could tell us what that was, what it did, or what they spent the money.

But we could guess.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2018 12:40 PM (inyex)

212 with accordion accompaniment.

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All teachers in North Korea were once forced to play the accordion, according to the book "Nothing to Envy: Real Lives in North Korea" by Barbara Demick.

"It was often called the 'people's instrument' since it was portable enough to carry along on a day of voluntary hard labor in the fields," Demick wrote. "In the classroom, teachers sang, 'We Have Nothing to Envy in the World,' which had a singsongy tune as familiar to North Korean children as 'Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.'"

Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 12:42 PM (+y/Ru)

213 School systems are overwhelmed, and even if we had dedicated, decent,
moral people running these systems (which we often don't), they would be
powerless to change much of that.
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Defining deviancy down. Kid to teacher: you made me unhappy. Kid to parent: you made me unhappy.

Kids within the same family will have different responses to the same rules. Kids in the same classroom will have different responses to the same rules.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 12:42 PM (MIKMs)

214 Over at RedSlate, many commenters are using Susan Wright's final post (a Brokaw piece) to express relief at her dismissal. And regular contributor "streiff" is telling them all that there will be "no dancing on graves or you'll all be banned!" Fun times.

streiff: "The commenters are revolting!"
Susan Wright: "I've been telling you that for years."

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 28, 2018 12:43 PM (toi7g)

215 212. Yep. The war-drum of the SMR was adopted by the Norks because reasons.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 12:46 PM (fA1SL)

216 The shocking and bizarre response of many to WW2 was to conclude that if such evil existed there can be no good, that life is meaningless and everything we've been told is a lie.

But if there is no good then all those horrible things weren't bad. They were just... acts we'd rather not be perpetrated on us.

An awful lot of people grew up with a worldview that people were inherently decent, good deep down. That bad things only happen when they are misled. But the horrors of Nazi Germany (and although less publicized, Imperial Japan and Soviet Russia) showed that to be a pathetic myth. We aren't basically decent. We aren't inherently good.

The German people were not any worse than us. The Nazi regime didn't arise because they were misled by bad people. It came from within us, and snowballed because of an almost total lack of moral compass. Without an objective, absolute understanding of good and evil, this is ultimately, inevitably, what you get, whether in the short term or long. And its been true again and again through history. The only difference this time was technology gave the evils of the past greater reach and capacity for more massive evil.

Genghis Khan, Caligula, Tamerlane, Ivan the Terrible, the litany of horrors in the past is long and well known. They are held back only by a conscious and deliberate, continual effort to do good and recognize truth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 12:46 PM (39g3+)

217 One of the interesting things about the internet is that even shamboling zombie corpse sites like RedState is destined to become can continue for years, since the cost of staying in the market is so low.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 12:47 PM (yQpMk)

218 ..."School systems are overwhelmed, and even if we had dedicated, decent, moral people running these systems (which we often don't), they would be powerless to change much of that."
-Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:38 PM (Pz4pT)

I had ~~two~~ three teachers that changed my life, so I'm not willing to go that far.

They were outstanding examples of what teachers could be.

My parents were the main influence, of course, but were it not for these two individuals in 1989, I would have gone completely off the rails.

Were it not for my math teacher taking extra time with me, I would have never opened my own business.

Were it not for my english teacher taking extra time with me, I'd be just another 'proglodyte' looking to be crowned for nothing.

Oh... were it not for my history teacher, I'd have bought the garbage that the MSM sells each and every day.

Thank God for the Reagan era.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:49 PM (Ckg4U)

219 A British woman was sentenced to jail Friday for neglecting her mother who was found "dead on a sofa sitting in a pool of diarrhea," police said.

Boy, I'll never figure out the new rules. Maybe, not being a doctor or judge, she left her mother to die.

Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 12:49 PM (+y/Ru)

220 219. The mother hadn't been ordered to die, ergo, wrongful death, plead it down to malicious destruction of government property.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 12:51 PM (fA1SL)

221 They learned this from Uncle Joe Stalin.

Texas Dem group crops Melania out of viral presidents�photo

Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 12:53 PM (+y/Ru)

222 More great British news. Kevin Crehan, jailed for the horrendous crime of putting bacon on the door handles of a mosque and bacon sandwiches on the front steps.... is dead.

http://tinyurl.com/gm2yplg

Don't you love the language of that news piece? ATTACKED mosques. By draping bacon on it. He was given a year in prison for it and 6 months in, was murdered in jail.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 12:54 PM (39g3+)

223 Gallup is calling.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:56 PM (Ckg4U)

224 I've never been called by Gallup.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:57 PM (Ckg4U)

225 ..."School systems are overwhelmed, and even if we had dedicated, decent, moral people running these systems (which we often don't), they would be powerless to change much of that."
-Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:38 PM (Pz4pT)

I had two three teachers that changed my life, so I'm not willing to go that far.

They were outstanding examples of what teachers could be.

My parents were the main influence, of course, but were it not for these two individuals in 1989, I would have gone completely off the rails.

Were it not for my math teacher taking extra time with me, I would have never opened my own business.

Were it not for my english teacher taking extra time with me, I'd be just another 'proglodyte' looking to be crowned for nothing.

Oh... were it not for my history teacher, I'd have bought the garbage that the MSM sells each and every day.

Thank God for the Reagan era.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 12:49 PM (Ckg4U)

Right. There are those moments, when you catch the right person, in the right place, and it can change the direction so profoundly as to make the end result seem inevitable.

My point though, is that the wave is moving in the other direction. For every one of you, people like yourself, who was met at the moment when you needed it, there are hundreds in the same school buildings who never get that. Not necessarily because of neglect on the part of teachers, but because there are too many, and it's too much.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:59 PM (Pz4pT)

226 Good teachers can make a huge difference in a child's life, particularly since they spend most of their waking hours at school. But any good teachers out there are swiftly ground down by the unions, their peers, the system, and the overwhelmingly top heavy administration at the schools.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:01 PM (39g3+)

227 Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 12:49 PM (+y/Ru)

Depending on the amount, the "pool of diarrhea" could easily just be the normal final voiding. Sounds like it's likely intended to be a punishment for not having brought the mom to the hospital and depriving the "doctors" of the joy of starving her to death.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2018 01:04 PM (rp9xB)

228 It came from within us, and snowballed because of an almost total lack of moral compass. Without an objective, absolute understanding of good and evil, this is ultimately, inevitably, what you get, whether in the short term or long.

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I think that is basically correct but I'll add that it helps if you promise utopia if only they will surrender all individual liberty. The Nazis, the Stalinists, and the Bernie Bots are are all totalitarian utopians. There's nothing new in this. The Faustus legend had existed for centuries. Just surrender morality and all can be yours.

Matthew 4:8-9 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."

Posted by: CNN Telling You Apples Are Bananas at April 28, 2018 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

229 Abolish government schools.

The chilluns would be better off ignorant and feral rather than indoctrinated and encouraged by the marxists.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2018 01:05 PM (EoRCO)

230 Changing my fake news socks.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 28, 2018 01:07 PM (+y/Ru)

231 There's nothing new in this. The Faustus legend had existed for centuries. Just surrender morality and all can be yours.

Its ancient, long, long before any of these more recent guys were ever born. That's how kings gained absolute power: I'll protect you if you just give me the power to do so. You can let me handle everything, don't worry about life, I'll deal with it all.

The movie 300 was great portraying this temptation. All I ask is that you kneel, and I'll give you everything you want.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:07 PM (39g3+)

232 http://bit.ly/2jd7Bv2
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Joy Reid: I Don't Believe I Wrote Those Blog Posts, But I Have Been 'Cruel' and 'Hurtful' and Apologize | Breitbart
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Shorter version ! I guess"I was hacked" didn't cut it. so now I will use this & see if it works

Posted by: JoshBARROquette at April 28, 2018 01:07 PM (y3aQB)

233 Totally unrelated (and maybe not):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBqLPUxddc

What I'm listening to, the brilliant artist, Mark Kozelek, in his iteration as Sun Kil Moon. I once found him with his band, Redhouse Painters, and thought him a pretentious twit.

I was wrong... or he grew and evolved. Either way, I can't get enough of his work. This song, Duk Koo Kim, is just beautiful and true. If you recognize that name, you will understand this is not a happy song.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:08 PM (Pz4pT)

234 216 Genghis Khan, Caligula, Tamerlane, Ivan the
Terrible, the litany of horrors in the past is long and well known.
They are held back only by a conscious and deliberate, continual effort
to do good and recognize truth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 12:46 PM (39g3+)

Right. And men with guns. It is funny, as modern day Americans we think of war as the anomaly and peace and prosperity as the rule, history says otherwise. It is a strange fact of human existence that long term peace and prosperity for the masses is only the result of the few who are willing and able to defeat violence with overwhelming violence.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 01:08 PM (n13/j)

235 The Brokaw accuser did a little time at FoxNews, which is why it's OK to call her a liar.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 28, 2018 01:08 PM (UsbN3)

236 -Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 12:59 PM (Pz4pT)

Yeah, I certainly get your point. I should have pointed that out because Government Schooling is doing a disservice to the kids.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 01:08 PM (Ckg4U)

237 The mother hadn't been ordered to die, ergo, wrongful death, plead it down to malicious destruction of government property.
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Sadly, most people nowadays have no concept of death at all. The time up to death (which can be messy) and after death. Diapers, clean linen, just a few hugs and kisses, like toddlers or infants, it is now beyond even comprehension. Mom died at home, earlier than I had imagined or planned, but I still had to go through the interrogations, etc. And she even had on her 'good' pjs and her hair was done that week. Bah.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 01:09 PM (MIKMs)

238 and the overwhelmingly top heavy administration at the schools.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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This is a systemic problem throughout government.
Management always thinks it needs more management.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 01:10 PM (4wipQ)

239 Good teachers can make a huge difference in a child's life, particularly since they spend most of their waking hours at school. But any good teachers out there are swiftly ground down by the unions, their peers, the system, and the overwhelmingly top heavy administration at the schools.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:01 PM (39g3+)

I didn't last long as a school teacher. Part of that is because, I'm willing to admit, when I was doing it, I was young and stupid and thought I knew more than I did. But I was not entirely wrong, in how I viewed my role, and was made to understand my kind was not wanted in their school.

This was not a public school.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:11 PM (Pz4pT)

240 Gallup got weirdly invasive, but the chick was cool.

I had to make sure that Trump got a "Thumbs-Up" from Your Friendly Neighborhood Slapweasel.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 01:11 PM (Ckg4U)

241 I get calls from pollsters nearly every day. I can see them on the caller ID. And I ignore them. Polls can all go to hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:16 PM (39g3+)

242 Too bad they don't have no call lists like they do for land lines.

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 01:18 PM (4wipQ)

243
This is a systemic problem throughout government.
Management always thinks it needs more management.
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My long-term goal is to see school administrators putting in half their time in direct classroom teaching. 'Oh, but that is not a good use of those expensive salaries' was what I got from those in the know. Think about it, if those people are paid so much more than classroom teachers (who have to face those individual children -- and their parents -- and administrators every day), what are we getting for that money? Unaccountable and irresponsible bureaucrats hiring baby bureaucrats on the taxpayers' money.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 01:21 PM (MIKMs)

244 226 ... But any good teachers out there are swiftly ground down by the unions, their peers, the system, and the overwhelmingly top heavy administration at the schools.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:01 PM (39g3+)
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Not to mention the many parents who are constantly badgering the schools on behalf of little Johnny or Susie.

But then, I concede that the parents would be far less of a problem without a craven and imbecilic administration that is desperate to avoid conflict.

Case in point:
A good friend of mine teaches German at a public school. Said teacher naturally takes off points for failure to capitalize nouns, such capitalization being a feature of the German language.
But Susie Snowflake didn't capitalize them and thus did not get the grade she "deserved." Mommy was livid.

Upshot: The administration decided that capitalization was like punctuation. It 'belongs' to Language Arts, what we used to call 'English,' not to 'foreign languages.'

Yeah, the good teachers, and especially the smart ones, get ground down.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:22 PM (0jtPF)

245 [Cosby representative Ebonee] Benson went on to compare Cosby's conviction on three counts of felony sexual assault on Thursday to the fate of Emmett Till, the 14-year old Mississippi child brutalized and murdered in 1955 for whistling at a white woman.

"This became a public lynching," Wyatt said of the trial. "The South came to the East."

Yeah, practically the same thing.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 28, 2018 01:22 PM (+y/Ru)

246 Meh... I've never done a poll before.

I figured I could make my tiny dent in Gallup.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 28, 2018 01:23 PM (Ckg4U)

247 I used to answer poll calls, but they were always frustrating. The questions are so obviously loaded, and the multiple choice answers are always false dillemas. I keep answering outside their box and they just put down my answer as one I don't believe in.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 28, 2018 01:25 PM (6jQwH)

248 Wow. I took 2 years of German in HS and another 4 qtrs in college. Never heard of the "Capitalize all nouns rule."

Posted by: JAS at April 28, 2018 01:26 PM (sCN2W)

249 248 Wow. I took 2 years of German in HS and another 4 qtrs in college. Never heard of the "Capitalize all nouns rule."

Posted by: JAS at April 28, 2018 01:26 PM (sCN2W)

Really??

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2018 01:26 PM (inyex)

250 Yeah, practically the same thing.

Super Genius Tariq Nasheed said basically the same thing, it was white supremacists keepin' the black man down.

Although when I look at the treatment of the other Bill, Clinton, its harder to laugh at this kind of reaction.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:28 PM (39g3+)

251 My long-term goal is to see school administrators putting in half their time in direct classroom teaching. 'Oh, but that is not a good use of those expensive salaries' was what I got from those in the know. Think about it, if those people are paid so much more than classroom teachers (who have to face those individual children -- and their parents -- and administrators every day), what are we getting for that money? Unaccountable and irresponsible bureaucrats hiring baby bureaucrats on the taxpayers' money.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 01:21 PM (MIKMs)

So many people who become administrators in so many human services industries, are people who used to work on the ground, at the front lines, and decided they did not want to do grunt work anymore.

So there's a contempt they have for those who do it. And a fundamental misunderstanding of what the people they are supposed to be serving actually need.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:28 PM (Pz4pT)

252 248 Wow. I took 2 years of German in HS and another 4 qtrs in college. Never heard of the "Capitalize all nouns rule."

Posted by: JAS at April 28, 2018 01:26 PM (sCN2W)
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Are you kidding?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:28 PM (0jtPF)

253 "A US military official told CNN that the two [B-52] bombers [and F-15s] flew between two Chinese claimed features in the Spratly Islands"...

Posted by: gNewt at April 28, 2018 01:28 PM (4wipQ)

254 Wow. I took 2 years of German in HS and another 4 qtrs in college. Never heard of the "Capitalize all nouns rule."

Posted by: JAS at April 28, 2018 01:26 PM (sCN2W)

Yeah, I think that was supposed to be proper nouns. What little German I learned, it certainly wasn't all nouns.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:30 PM (Pz4pT)

255 All nouns, was what I learned. Read a German newspaper and you see it in action.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:31 PM (39g3+)

256 I get a fairly amount of calls on my cell that I am sure am paying for that are unsolicited calls. I don't have one of these stay on the phone and watch YouTube all day.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 01:32 PM (aC6Sd)

257 All nouns, was what I learned. Read a German newspaper and you see it in action.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:31 PM (39g3+)

Well if that's the case, that's just kind of dumb. And I would venture to say I'm going to side with the parent who complains that the AMERICAN school doesn't need to follow such silly kraut nazi rules.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:34 PM (Pz4pT)

258 Posted by: JAS at April 28, 2018 01:26 PM (sCN2W)

Maybe the teacher thought it was so obvious the students would pick up on it? I blame 4 years of German for my tendency to randomly capitalize nouns in English.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2018 01:35 PM (rp9xB)

259 We killed Hitler so we wouldn't have to capitalize all nouns.

Never again....

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:36 PM (Pz4pT)

260 Before you ever hire a professional check if they ever went to UC Berkeley, if so don't, you will thank me if you do.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 01:37 PM (aC6Sd)

261 Before you ever hire a professional check if they ever went to UC Berkeley, if so don't, you will thank me if you do.

Yeah everyone hiring a college grad should have a list of instant dequalifying schools like Berkeley, Columbia, Evergreen State, Mizzou, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:38 PM (39g3+)

262 Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 01:37 PM

UC Berkeley has a lot of schools. I would have no problem seeing an optometrist who graduated from their school of optometry, for example. It's not all soaked in crazy-piss.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 28, 2018 01:40 PM (yKjsG)

263 Before you ever hire a professional check if they ever went to UC Berkeley, if so don't, you will thank me if you do.
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Yeah everyone hiring a college grad should have a list of instant dequalifying schools like Berkeley, Columbia, Evergreen State, Mizzou, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2018 01:38 PM (39g3+)

I don't know anything about those fancy fruity coastal schools, but I know plenty of folks who did undergrad or advanced schooling at Mizzou. It is possible to attend a school like that, and be completely oblivious to the silly nonsense occurring in some parts of the place.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:41 PM (Pz4pT)

264 Now now. I know a couple of folks that graduated from Berkeley that are very competent. Computer Science grads.

Posted by: JAS at April 28, 2018 01:41 PM (sCN2W)

265 SQUIRREL!!!

http://galciv.wikia.com/wiki/Snathi

https://wccftech.com/chatting-creators
-stardock-talks-galactic-civilizations-iii/

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2018 01:42 PM (FhXTo)

266 254---Yeah, I think that was supposed to be proper nouns. What little German I learned, it certainly wasn't all nouns.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:30 PM (Pz4pT)
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Nope. All nouns.
Check out any German book or newspaper.

But I'm not terribly surprised that there might be a fad of not teaching it.

When teaching Spanish, I was (at first) shocked that many, if not most, kids had never been taught NOT to capitalize proper adjectives or nouns derived from them.
(E.g., they would write "Espanol" for "Spanish" or "Americano" for "American" when those words aren't capitalized in Spanish.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:42 PM (0jtPF)

267 Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:30 PM (Pz4pT)
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Nope. All nouns.
Check out any German book or newspaper.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:42 PM (0jtPF)

Yeah, no.

Until shown otherwise, I intend to not let anything German seep into my brain.

On balance, the universe would be better off if Germany had never existed. Of that I am certain.

And I am part German.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:46 PM (Pz4pT)

268 I would reject them just for going there. And until you have had a podiatrist give you a SJW lecture and womansplain you during a simple procedure, you don't realize how much things have changed.

Make these lefty bastions toxic or nothing will change.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 01:47 PM (n13/j)

269 I had a conversation on FB last night with some guy from Cali. I wrote: I think on some level Kim wants to have better relations with the south but I have to wonder how far he will go to make that happen. At some point it would mean opening the north at least somewhat. If and when that happens, the people of the north will soon realize how badly they've been lied to for all these decades and the Kim regime cannot survive that.

His naive reply was:I think his people will give him credit for changing things, bringing peace and getting people fed.

I replied: you're probably a good guy but that's, to put it simply, delusional thinking. The only reason the Kims are still in power is because they have all the guns and aren't afraid to use them. They're going to take one look at how the people in the south live and, well let's just say they won't be happy with their leadership, especially when they find out that peace was available the whole time.

Bottom line is, Kim is either running a very dangerous scam on us or he really wants peace. If he really wants peace, he has to proceed very, very carefully because once his people get wind of what they've been missing all these years, they're going to be mad. People get strung up for much less..

Posted by: Bill R. at April 28, 2018 01:48 PM (IuYIh)

270 267---I intend to not let anything German seep into my brain. ---BurtTC
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On this we agree!
Well, except for music.
But nothing with German lyrics.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:49 PM (0jtPF)

271 267. You're getting the Germans confused with the tulip peddling nuisance known as the Dutch.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 01:49 PM (fA1SL)

272 On the topic of what ruined the Millennials, I would say the rise of 24-hour news and the subsequent national panics about missing/abducted children and child abuse were a VERY big factor.... that more than anything else is what made parents overly cautious about letting children play outdoors or do ANYTHING at all without supervision. And even those parents who wanted to give their kids a little independence had to worry about what their relatives, neighbors, etc., would think, or whether someone was going to call Child Protective Services on them.

Posted by: Secret Square at April 28, 2018 01:51 PM (9WuX0)

273 OK, it was over 40 years ago and all the valu-rite since then has probably killed that memory.

Posted by: JAS at April 28, 2018 01:51 PM (sCN2W)

274 Ve haff vays to makink you capitalize.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 28, 2018 01:52 PM (+y/Ru)

275 267---I intend to not let anything German seep into my brain. ---BurtTC
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On this we agree!
Well, except for music.
But nothing with German lyrics.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:49 PM (0jtPF)

One of those things of which I am definitely aware, my appreciation for any/all music pre-20th century is lacking, mostly due to a lack of education on such matters.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:54 PM (Pz4pT)

276 Its possible Kim is like a kid acting out who really needs adult supervision.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 01:54 PM (aC6Sd)

277 12 The North Korean government is guilty of just about every kind of atrocity and evil imaginable, and they just keep getting away with it. They've literally kidnapped people from other nations just to enslave the to entertain their dictator. Nothing about this peace treaty changes anything there, it just makes border expenses less profound. So, while ending an official war that's decades old is good and somewhat impressive for a president that "experts" claimed was going to get us into nuclear war a few weeks ago... it doesn't truly accomplish all that much.

And that NK government should be on trial for war crimes going back to the FIFTIES.

Posted by: Christopher R TaylorEnding the war is just semantics. Promising to end the war is even less. The proof is in the denuke agreement and the verification clause's therein.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at April 28, 2018 01:54 PM (IeDO8)

278 275. Fritz is a fine composer, no denying. But he makes a lousy neighbor.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 01:54 PM (fA1SL)

279 267---I intend to not let anything German seep into my brain. ---BurtTC

But... schnitzel is still okay to eat, yes?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 28, 2018 01:55 PM (yKjsG)

280 267. You're getting the Germans confused with the tulip peddling nuisance known as the Dutch.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 01:49 PM (fA1SL)

Possibly, but if so, that too is the fault of the Germans, for spending too much of their time fooling around in Dutchland.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:55 PM (Pz4pT)

281 Y'no, there really is no point to the Dutch, is there?

Well, my husband is 1/4 Dutch.
But it's not as if he brags about it.
He's not even ashamed of it.

What's the point?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:56 PM (0jtPF)

282 I would say the rise of 24-hour news and the subsequent national panics about missing/abducted children and child abuse were a VERY big factor

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There's a story linked on Drudge about an eccentric preacher at an Avengers showing who began preaching in the theater after the movie, as was his custom, and everybody panicked thinking mass shooting.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 28, 2018 01:56 PM (+y/Ru)

283 And those Pennsylvania Dutch are really Germans, just sayin'

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 01:56 PM (n13/j)

284 280. I do blame Fritz for screwing with the peoples of Eurasia. Sent Lenin back with a bankroll, they did. One of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 01:57 PM (fA1SL)

285 267---I intend to not let anything German seep into my brain. ---BurtTC
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But... schnitzel is still okay to eat, yes?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 28, 2018 01:55 PM (yKjsG)

Yes. As long as schnitzel isn't slang for something naughty.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:57 PM (Pz4pT)

286 Das Kapitalization. Just accept It.

Posted by: Angela Merkel at April 28, 2018 01:58 PM (/qEW2)

287
Fake News was really expecting Merkel to publicly scold and embarrass President Trump. Since it didn't happen, Fake News doesn't have much to say about the visit from the nazi.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 28, 2018 01:58 PM (VJnHJ)

288 Y'no, there really is no point to the Dutch, is there?

Well, my husband is 1/4 Dutch.
But it's not as if he brags about it.
He's not even ashamed of it.

What's the point?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 01:56 PM (0jtPF)

Yep. I gots me some Dutch in my background too, probably because whatever stupid Dutch ancestors I had were too weak and pathetic to keep the Germans out.

Sad, really...

No, I'm not self-loathing. Why do you ask.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:59 PM (Pz4pT)

289 didn't last long as a school teacher. Part of that is because, I'm willing to admit, when I was doing it, I was young and stupid and thought I knew more than I did. But I was not entirely wrong, in how I viewed my role, and was made to understand my kind was not wanted in their school.

This was not a public school.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 01:11 PM (Pz4pT)

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Oh, definitely. The people who wanted to be sure all of their students saw that "captain my captain" Robin Williams movie would slap a teacher and students down at the first sign of independent thought.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at April 28, 2018 02:00 PM (VgKNm)

290
Fake News told me today that a judge warned attorney Cohen that an indictment was "likely."

Indictment for WHAT??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 28, 2018 02:00 PM (VJnHJ)

291 88 Nork pron: Hey honey, you hungry, tree bark soup maybe? You can have some, but first.......

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

North Korean pron consists of videos of old men eating a sandwich.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at April 28, 2018 02:01 PM (IeDO8)

292 I do blame Fritz for screwing with the peoples of Eurasia. Sent Lenin back with a bankroll, they did. One of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time.....

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Like voting for Obama to heal the race problem.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 28, 2018 02:01 PM (+y/Ru)

293 280. I do blame Fritz for screwing with the peoples of Eurasia. Sent Lenin back with a bankroll, they did. One of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 01:57 PM (fA1SL)

I'm inclined to give them a pass on that one. No way they could have known, and frankly the stupid Rooskies were all so hepped up on the giddy pleasure they got from overthrowing a relatively benign and harmless czar (yes, I said it, relatively harmless), only to let the commies in the back door.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:02 PM (Pz4pT)

294 seriously, is Merkel not the wettest blanket ever? I see why Trump prefers Macron with all his Frenchness.

Posted by: Quint at April 28, 2018 02:02 PM (n13/j)

295 293. I will say this for the SMR - there's literally NOTHING they can't make worse for themselves. It's a true gift.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 02:03 PM (fA1SL)

296 >>>On balance, the universe would be better off if Germany had never existed. Of that I am certain.

Nonsense. Other peoples are just as evil or worse. They just weren't clever or efficient enough to create the amount of damage Germany does when it goes to war. And look at the contrition they are capable of. The actually think they have an obligation to destroy themselves for something their ancestors did.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 02:03 PM (/qEW2)

297 On balance, the universe would be better off if Germany had never existed. Of that I am certain.
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Nonsense. Other peoples are just as evil or worse. They just weren't clever or efficient enough to create the amount of damage Germany does when it goes to war. And look at the contrition they are capable of. The actually think they have an obligation to destroy themselves for something their ancestors did.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 02:03 PM (/qEW2)

You seem to think you are arguing against my point, when indeed, you are making it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:05 PM (Pz4pT)

298 I do consider myself a Dutchman as many of my ancestors were .

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 02:05 PM (aC6Sd)

299 162 Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at April 28, 2018 11:56 AM (IeDO
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Penguin fan & you are right. Nothing compares to playoff hockey

Posted by: JoshBARROquette

The Pens are looking pretty good for a threepeat. I hope that jinxes it.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1997 at April 28, 2018 02:06 PM (IeDO8)

300 Bottom line is, Kim is either running a very dangerous scam on us or he really wants peace. If he really wants peace, he has to proceed very, very carefully because once his people get wind of what they've been missing all these years, they're going to be mad. People get strung up for much less..
Posted by: Bill R. at April 28, 2018 01:48 PM (IuYIh)

You'd think Kim's fat face would have clued them in long before this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2018 02:08 PM (/qEW2)

301 Straighten up, everybody! Merkel's here.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 28, 2018 02:08 PM (+y/Ru)

302 Well, I'm 1/4 French, which is a helluva lot better than being 1/4 Dutch.
At least it's something you can be properly ashamed of.
Or laugh at.
With gusto.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 02:09 PM (0jtPF)

303 Clapper looks like my old boss. I find his credibility lacking.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 28, 2018 02:10 PM (RuIsu)

304 On balance, the universe would be better off if Germany had never existed. Of that I am certain.

I agree with Steve and Cold Bear, that throughout history there were plenty of evil, murderous peoples. It's like the complaint about stolen land. How far back do you want to go with conquests.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at April 28, 2018 02:11 PM (rdl6o)

305 Prager was talking how Germany has done nothing for the human race, now there are qualifiers in that. But it has given us socialism, communism, 2 world wars, the European mess with Islam. Certainly the ballance sheet is overwhelming against.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 02:14 PM (aC6Sd)

306 On balance, the universe would be better off if Germany had never existed. Of that I am certain.
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I agree with Steve and Cold Bear, that throughout history there were plenty of evil, murderous peoples. It's like the complaint about stolen land. How far back do you want to go with conquests.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at April 28, 2018 02:11 PM (rdl6o)

You go back as far as it takes to exonerate yourself.

Duh.

No but seriously, here's the thing: If I set out to kill you dead, and I kill you, am I any more culpable than the drunk who gets behind the wheel of a car, and innocently enough plows into you, killing you dead?

You're just as dead either way. Is my intent really all that important to you, at that point?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:14 PM (Pz4pT)

307 Prager was talking how Germany has done nothing for the human race, now there are qualifiers in that. But it has given us socialism, communism, 2 world wars, the European mess with Islam. Certainly the ballance sheet is overwhelming against.
Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 02:14 PM (aC6Sd)

Sorta like dating that hot redhead, who took your car, your playstation, your dog and your car, after she banged your best friend.

At that point, was it really worth it, that she was an expert at using that tongue of hers?

*(yes, I am aware, some will say yes, it was)

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:17 PM (Pz4pT)

308 Clapper looks like my old boss. I find his credibility lacking.

And yet, he feels he can question the President's credibility and fitness for the job. He admitted that he lied to Congress, but of course, it was for the right reasons.

That's what's so infuriating about liberals, they literally believe they can break rules and laws because they KNOW when it's best to do such things.

I'm glad I never worked with him. I've worked with people like that, and it makes for an untrustworthy work place.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at April 28, 2018 02:17 PM (rdl6o)

309 You're just as dead either way. Is my intent really all that important to you, at that point?

If you're Hillary Rodham, it really doesn't matter.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at April 28, 2018 02:20 PM (rdl6o)

310 305 Prager was talking how Germany has done nothing for the human race, now there are qualifiers in that. But it has given us socialism, communism, 2 world wars, the European mess with Islam. Certainly the ballance sheet is overwhelming against.
Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2018 02:14 PM (aC6Sd)
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Maybe he should say modern Germany.
I think the German balance sheet was pretty good before Bismarck united the whole shebang.

Although.....I guess there wasn't a true "Germany" before that at all. Just a German people. So yeah, there is no distinction between Germany and modern Germany.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 02:22 PM (0jtPF)

311 Alfie Evans has died.

That sin will follow all who perpetrated it.

You f*ckers.

May God have mercy on him, and protect him now.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:22 PM (Pz4pT)

312 Suddenly I don't feel like taking any of this stuff lightly anymore.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:23 PM (Pz4pT)

313 Alfie Evans has died.

That sin will follow all who perpetrated it.

You f*ckers.

May God have mercy on him, and protect him now.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:22 PM (Pz4pT)

The judge who ruled on the matter will face a just judge.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 28, 2018 02:26 PM (aCNZ6)

314 Suddenly I don't feel like taking any of this stuff lightly anymore.

They mocked Sarah Palin for her "death panel" comments. Now that she's basically been proven correct, will anyone have the guts to come forward and apologize.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at April 28, 2018 02:26 PM (rdl6o)

315 "And there in the square he laid down
Without face, without crown
And the angel who looked upon him
She never came down"

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2018 02:26 PM (Pz4pT)

316 I have a question. For a person who considers himself to be non-human (a squirrel in this case), if that person is killed, is the crime considered to be murder?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 28, 2018 02:34 PM (l9m7l)

317 316 I have a question. For a person who considers himself to be non-human (a squirrel in this case), if that person is killed, is the crime considered to be murder?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 28, 2018 02:34 PM (l9m7l)
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Right now it certainly is.
But who knows what a few more decades of decay and confusion may bring?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2018 02:45 PM (0jtPF)

318 How dreadful to live in a country like that. And what's more, they have no idea just how much they are being lied to. Not to mention the unspeakable cruelty perpetrated by the government.

Posted by: bluebell at April 28, 2018 11:29 AM (oMtOd)

North Korea sounds like what the Transnational Socialists envisage during a wet dream. The progs would love to have that much control over the Deplorables here in the U.S.

The progs would tell themselves It's for Their Own Good ™ while stuffing Thought Criminals in the cattle cars.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 28, 2018 02:56 PM (5Yee7)

319
Jeez, a squirrel would easily be the apex creature in any student government at Berkeley.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 28, 2018 03:00 PM (TSMoA)

320 So apparently there *might* be a "smoking gun" emerging on the Flynn case - text between you-know-who talking about "launching" on the "F 302".

IF "F 302" refers to the record of the infamous interview with Gen. Flynn, and IF "launch" refers to alterations thereof or distortions thereof, then wow. But not sure how those key things get documented. Perhaps all the other evidence will contain the clue - and/or there is enough singing going on to Huber's grand jury that the dots are all provably connected.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 28, 2018 03:15 PM (QDnY+)

321 I am not understanding the course of the Adm. Jackson thing.

Slanderous accusations are made. So you just give up? That's it? You don't refute them? As clearly could have been done - as is happening *now*, after the game is over? WTF?

Posted by: rhomboid at April 28, 2018 03:18 PM (QDnY+)

322 Slanderous accusations are made. So you just give up? That's it? You
don't refute them? As clearly could have been done - as is happening
*now*, after the game is over? WTF?
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Family security and privacy was my first take on the situation. Rajit Pai and his home and children harassed. If you have any adolescent kids at home, good luck.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 28, 2018 03:23 PM (MIKMs)

323 322
'It worked, didn't it?' - Searchlight Strangler

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 03:28 PM (fA1SL)

324 322. Until there are bloody reprisals for this sort of thing, it will continue and escalate.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 03:35 PM (fA1SL)

325 Privacy is out the door when you are nominated for a cabinet position. Harassment of family has nothing to do with Tester's outrageous slander (very precise use of that word).

It didn't "work" until/unless the nomination is withdrawn. Which is my point.

Slanderous accusations are made. What do you do? Deny, refute, and attack the slanderer. Duh. At this point, Adm. Jackson has had his hitherto sparkless reputation sullied ..... so he leaves the field? Leaves his reputation unfairly trashed?

Withdraw? Why?

Not saying I get it. Saying I don't get it. Why would Trump ever have another nominee confirmed to any post, ever? Every nominee can be slimed with ridiculous lies, whereupon they withdraw. Rinse/repeat.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 28, 2018 03:37 PM (QDnY+)

326 325. Roy Moore was banned from a mall and autographed a yearbook. Romney never paid income taxes. Admiral Jackson is a drunken pill-pusher.
Slander works.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 03:43 PM (fA1SL)

327 325 & 326. And why does it work? Because most people don't engage in the practice, and so can't imagine that others would. Its effectiveness lies in the normalcy bias of most people. It works precisely because it's beyond the ken of most decent people.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 28, 2018 03:46 PM (fA1SL)

328 Trump needs to start making appearances in Montana and crush this cockroach.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 03:50 PM (yQpMk)

329 The only reason it "worked" in this case is because there was immediate surrender. Refuting the slander, and attacking the slanderer, and continuing with the nomination - pretty clearly the thing to do. This was not an election. This was a Dubya administration performance. Pretty similar to the back-down on Bolton's nomination.

Memo to Kelly/Trump:

1) Don't back off nominations, use them as platforms to destroy anyone trying to slander your nominees

2) Um, appropriations is policy, it's the biggest thing you deal with - how are those priorities, addressed by appropriations bills in regular order, coming along for the fall?

Posted by: rhomboid at April 28, 2018 03:53 PM (QDnY+)

330 Both Bolton's and Wolfowitz's nominations. Outrageous, incompetent surrender on both. Big part of how Dubya became a doormat his second term. Sad!

Posted by: rhomboid at April 28, 2018 03:58 PM (QDnY+)

331 (a squirrel in this case), if that person is killed, is the crime considered to be murder?

What are you? Nuts? It's hunting without a permit.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2018 03:59 PM (FhXTo)

332 So I checked out a Brit paper comments section about death of Alfie. The most popular comments were about the poor hospital personnel, the poor police. Anger at the balloons released for Alfie because of the damage to wildlife. Truly state brain washed citizens.

- Damage to wildlife: you are horrible people
- Bacon left at Mosque site: Prankster was Jailed (where he was then murdered.)
-The man flipping off the camera, the dog owner jailed. Those stories.

-Denying a child water and food (really, this is beyond monstrous to me.) Refusing chance for alternative treatment that UK does not offer....free of charge: Parents are terrible people for making NHS look bad and trying to extend/save their child's life.

It is so batshit crazy it defies logic. Compassion, mercy, humanity all took a back seat to The State.

Chilling.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 28, 2018 04:36 PM (Jesl+)

333 So, the argument people are making is the child has individual rights and does not belong to the parents.

They are likening it to an abused child being taken from the parents. Seriously. They are.

Those arguing the parents had the right to try other treatment, even if the outcome was the same, are being downvoted by the thousands. Only a few hundred up votes. The argument against the parents is they were too emotional to make the decision. Wtf kind of reason is that?

They also say these docs had every right not to let the kid go, and they were excellent docs, and blah, blah, blah.

Also complaints by posters that the police had to work at hospital to keep the protesters out. Absolutely no acknowledgement of the fact the police were keeping a child in the hospital as a hostage.

I am stunned, stunned, to see such overwhelming support for the state by the citizens. Their reasoning is horrible. Their brainwashing complete I guess.

The mother of Alfie was named Kate. Same as Duchess Kate. I will never be able to read about her and the royals without thinking of this child.

I wonder how American Meghan felt about this. She is supposed to be all about the rights of people, a humanitarian in her own right. Maybe marrying a Prince makes everything secondary. Maybe she doesn't care, or buys what the NHS is selling. Or maybe she isn't even paying attention.

From what I can tell, people from outside Great Britain do not understand the acceptance of this by the citizenry. Especially Americans, but also some of the other European countries. Australia, Canada and New Zealand seem okay with it. But they also have socialized medicine.

Obviously, these are only my limited observations but I thought I'd share.

Also, for the first time I've lost faith in Great Britain. Voting for Brexit was a big deal in rejecting the EU monstrosity and open borders. Monumental.

But now, with this case, and all the other crazy we have seen in the last year, I've lost hope for them. I thought it was mostly the State, seems it is the people too.

Sorry for the long post...just thinking aloud. No one is here, so hopefully it's okay.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 28, 2018 05:26 PM (Jesl+)

334 Okay, I missed this, but :

"Alfie Evans Priest Reportedly Kicked Out Of Hospital"

Italy sent a Priest to be with the family, bcz the Archbishop of Liverpool couldn't be bothered to make the 7 mile drive. The Priest from Italy got booted.

Here's the story link:

https://tinyurl.com/y98pkza9

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 28, 2018 06:02 PM (Jesl+)

335 Here's the story link:

https://tinyurl.com/y98pkza9

It would be better for this bishop to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea than what he has coming to him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 06:39 PM (yQpMk)

336 I don't understand the passivity in the face of this. If some doctor murdered my child, well, the baby is going to be supplied with attendants for the after-life.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Snoozing Jeff Sessions is my Sarah Palin's uterus at April 28, 2018 06:41 PM (yQpMk)

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