Jonah Goldberg: I Don't Love Rock n Roll

First, George Will told us that jeans were The Devil.

Now, Jonah Goldberg tells us rock n roll is a tool of the pagan gnostic neo-Marxist conspiracy, and he cites lyrics from up-and-coming indie band Jethro Tull to prove this.

Like Ben Shapiro, Goldberg argues that part of the trouble with modern life is the elevation of feelings over facts. This is tied to Romanticism, which Goldberg describes as an "emphasis on emotion and the irrational, the significance of that which cannot be seen or explained through science but can be felt intuitively, is the tribal mind's way of fighting its way back into the centrality of our lives."

Isn't religious feeling felt intuitively and not rationally? Is he an atheist?

Does he not concede that "moral sentiments" are in fact sentiments? Does he think strict utilitarian analysis explains the value we place on a human life?

Is he not aware that strict utilitarian analysis is sometimes used to suggest that human life is subordinate to other interests, such as other people's pleasure?

Is he not aware how silly and naive this all is? We reason first from emotional feeling. Intuition is the first step of thinking -- then reason is used to, well, reason backwards and come up with a plausible explanation for that intuition.

If attempts to construct a logical defense of emotions and intuitions fail, we might reject those initial feelings as erroneous. Then again, we might not.

His idea that reason is our primary mode of thinking, and that it is separate from emotion or intuition, is, how do I put this, flatly contradicted by the latest scientific thought about how the brain works. The rational brain is the tip of the iceberg -- 90% of thinking is invisible or at least very hard to see, beneath the surface, a mix of emotion, instinct, and some occasional random neuron walks.

Reason is most useful to help figure out how to get more of something you've decided is valuable and good, or less of something you've decided is wortheless and bad. But the initial assignment of value to things or ideals is famously non-rational -- not exactly arbitrary, but extremely hard to explain by recourse to reason alone. Most moral arguments about the rationality of a particular moral value generally involve a lot of ipse dixit, appeal to authority, question-begging (sentences which start with "It cannot be argued that..." and then claim something that a whole lot of people have been arguing about for eons) and, ultimately, hand-waving.

If he's gonna yammer about reason, maybe he could pick up a pop science book on the science of cognition.

Instead of attempting to explain it all with his feelings and intuitions.

Goldberg adds that "popular culture gives us the clearest window into the romantic dimension that we all live in." The most powerful expression of this is rock and roll. "Rock and roll is romanticism," Goldberg writes, with emphasis in the original.

"What are the key themes of rock and roll and these other genres?" Goldberg continues. "Any list would include: defy authority and throw off the chains of 'the Man,'...

Rejecting unjustified authority used to be a rational conservative position.

Once upon a time King George was "the man." But then, later, David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, Tom Nichols, Bill Kristol and a raft of would-be thought-leaders got deposed and began trying to rehabilitate the image of the authoritarian Obey Your Betters regime. You know, back in the Good Old Days when they claimed the right of prima noctae with your hierarchy of values.

I'm also very amused by very emotional people who are clearly on tilt about Trump's election, and who piously recite received wisdom as if they were mullahs, telling the rest of us we should be more rational.

"... true love, damn the consequences, nostalgia for an imagined better past, the superiority of youth, contempt for selling out, alienation, the superiority of authenticity, paganism and pantheism, and, like an umbrella over it all: the supremacy of personal feelings above all else."

Nostalgia for an imagined better past? This is a progressive-type jibe. While there's some truth to the jibe, there has never been less truth to it right now: The "better past," which was just five or eight years ago, is not an imagined one, and we actually all were freer then.

We now live under a suffocating regime of thoughtcrime and mob rule.

Also, as far as personal feelings: A foundational document of our civilization does state that the natural rights of all men include "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."


Sounding like a 1950s preacher, he goes on: "Rock and roll is the primitive's drumbeat hooked up to killer amps. It ties together meanings we are taught to keep separate; it ratifies the instincts we are instructed to keep at bay. It tells us, in the words of Jethro Tull, 'Let's bungle in the jungle,' because 'that's alright with me.'"

I don't even know what to say.

I wonder if Jonah Goldberg was driven over the edge on the Great Rock N Roll Debate by this (mild content warning for profanity) song.

BTW, genuine rock music hasn't been particularly culturally significant for about 15 years now. What's the last big true rock hit you can think of?

I suppose if you count rock descendants like hip-hop as "rock" then it's still culturally relevant -- but in that case, why not quote Jay-Z instead of Jethro Tull?

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 07:24 PM




Comments

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1 WTF, I think Uncle Ted needs to have a CTJ meeting JG. And top ten.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 07:20 PM (CqLnu)

2 Trump has broke the Never Trumpers.

1st

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 23, 2018 07:20 PM (pw+jk)

3 Nobody puts Baby in a corner.

Posted by: Flyguy at April 23, 2018 07:20 PM (v30M8)

4 st

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:20 PM (Lh6Rk)

5 th

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (pw+jk)

6 Damn Hippees

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (Lh6Rk)

7 That whale never should have spit him up.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (oVJmc)

8 Something in the water. Has to be.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (roQNm)

9 Goldberg a New Kids on the Block fan, then?

Posted by: Jmel at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (SJ8ZQ)

10 My affection for the rock and roll is greatly diminishing, but that's only because I'm turning into an old fart.

I'm not real enthused about the rythym and blues, or delta blues, or any of the music that used to keep my booty engaged. I really am more attuned to classical music and 1940s and 1950s crooners. And George Strait.

Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (kD8Fh)

11 Jonah Goldberg has decided to live his life as a gay man, literally.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 23, 2018 07:22 PM (pw+jk)

12 Cuck, Cuck, Cuck, Cuck,


//Jonah in a Chicken Suit

At some point the NT NRO Salon Hot 25 types are gonna pick sides, spoiler alert they are gonna go with the communists.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:22 PM (SzZnW)

13 I know it's only Rock & Roll but I like it.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (Lh6Rk)

14 TL;DR. Was the movie any good?

Posted by: RI Red - Proud member, CRNSA at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (fC8lv)

15 Is the PCMatic band rock and roll? Because then I don't love Rock n Roll either.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (HgMAr)

16 So there I was pummeling Shep in the pooper and he tickles my balls. I'm thinking is this guy a fag or what?

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (pw+jk)

17 Could've been first. Afraid of the dunce cap. Wussed out.
*hangs head*

Posted by: Hands at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (EzdLW)

18 The Horde knows the only music with enough class to really appeal to everyone is Paul Anka.

Posted by: Flyguy at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (v30M8)

19 What fact-based music does Goldberg prefer? Schoolhouse Rock?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (oVJmc)

20 talk to the hand, jonah

Posted by: concrete girl at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (zr8oO)

21 Have some Sympathy for the Devil, will ya.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (Lh6Rk)

22 Jonah is so five years ago.

Posted by: John Marston at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (SkuXa)

23 The last band I was ever into was INXS and that ended around 1992 when I was in my early 30s.

Now, it's all the stuff I grew up with plus swing and classical music.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (VM6ev)

24 Wait, borrowing from a riff I made earlier: doesn't this mean he is against the Count of Monte Cristo and The Three Musketeers when he decries 'romanticism'?

Watch out for the Count. I hear he carries a grudge pretty harshly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (sCUYC)

25 What the hell happened to Jonah? It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers or something.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (B3NHb)

26
talk to the hand, jonah

Posted by: concrete girl at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (zr8oO)

Every morning, lunchtime, and evening sweetie.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (pw+jk)

27 Pure pablum from a baby's ass.

Poor wittle baby Jonah.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (EoRCO)

28 10 Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (kD8Fh)

I was listening to the music the WW2 gen were teens to, and fought to last week....

here's a good one, translated mostly from the Yiddish.

https://youtu.be/Xe2UXccid40

Bei Mir Bist Du Shein

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:25 PM (SzZnW)

29 Like Ben Shapiro, Goldberg argues that part of the trouble with modern life is the elevation of feelings over facts.


The Irony! It burnssss ussss!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:25 PM (yQpMk)

30 If I read all this correctly, Ted Nugent is some kind of neo-Marxist.

I dare Jonah to say that to his face.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2018 07:25 PM (B3NHb)

31 We listen to 97.1 The River here in the ATL, and feel fortunate to still have at least one classic R/R station.
That music is almost 50 years old.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:25 PM (Lh6Rk)

32 Honestly I cam't remember the last new rock song I listened to.

Maybe Evanescence? That late 90's I think. Man I got old fast.

Posted by: Big V at April 23, 2018 07:25 PM (ZvLtE)

33 Tull was 1970's.

Is this as current as the Moron Goldberg can come up with?

Can all the #NeverTrumpers just go to a tar pit and jump in?

Fuching DIE already!


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (UsCnO)

34

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long years
Stole million man's soul and faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

Posted by: Mick J at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (n9EOP)

35 23 The last band I was ever into was INXS and that ended around 1992 when I was in my early 30s.

One of their big hits was being muzak-piped into some place I was at, and I stopped and listened.

"*That* was some good music right there"

Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (kD8Fh)

36 Mark Steyn doesn't like rock 'n' roll either. But he's not a pseudointellectual scold about it like JG.

Posted by: Hands at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (EzdLW)

37 22 Posted by: John Marston at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (SkuXa)

Jonah Goldberg, a man smart enough to identify what the underlying force of the left was and pen a bestseller on it....

who then spends his time slowly allying himself with fascists.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (SzZnW)

38 Rap is the music that real true conservatives listen to.

It is pure conservatism at its heart.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (pw+jk)

39 Wait - music appeals to emotions? Music. All music. Appeals. To emotions.


Could someone get Jonah a Genius Grant for discovering what everyone has known for about 5,000 years?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (0QYMt)

40 When Jonah's neurons do a random walk, there's an invisible #NeverTrump leash attached.

And... How dare he? Out of sex drugs and Rock-n-Roll, there's only Rock left for me.

He can have my Led Zeppelin when he pries it from my cold dead hands.

Ya know, I once had a girlfriend who became an ex gf, then came by one day and said she burned all her lps. The difference between her and Jonah? I haven't had sex with him.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (0ogQG)

41 Oh Jonah, your whale is calling.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (syqpf)

42 Jonah Goldberg wrote Liberal Fascism, thought about it, decided Team TruCon was gonna be on the trains to Happy Fun Camp, and enthusiastically jumped sides in an effort to save his own fat ass.

Him who hath not the stomach for this fight, let him depart.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (2kD+f)

43 Turbo folk and xardbas.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (fA1SL)

44 Hey guys, remember when NRO trolled the left with "50 most conservative songs", and #1 was "Won't Get Fooled Again". Yeah, NRO doesn't remember either...

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (Tnhbr)

45 That whale never should have spit him up.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (oVJmc)

Made me laugh.

Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (tBimT)

46 29 Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:25 PM (yQpMk)

My butt...it hurts.....MY BUTT HURTS WHY WON'T YOU HATE TRUMP!??!?!

//Jonah "Spock" Goldberg

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (SzZnW)

47 Why does anyone give Jonah the time of day anymore?

Posted by: Kevin Thompson at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (4wcdH)

48 Have some Sympathy for the Devil, will ya.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:23 PM (Lh6Rk)


34

Curses, foiled again!

Posted by: Mick J at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (n9EOP)

49 The only acceptable music is the one they play when they pull out the limbo stick on the hospitality deck.

Posted by: Capt. Bill Kristol of the SS Buttpirate at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (v30M8)

50 This is like inverse Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. He sounds like the Professor guy that argued with Phaedrus in the end. Ugh, I'm still trying to forget that madness.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (vgwv+)

51 Where rock and roll tosses off the chains of "the man", metal picks up the chains and beats him with it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at April 23, 2018 07:28 PM (aMlLZ)

52 Ted Nugent made a bid for Muzak and it was accepted until Muzak learned he was buying the company to shut it down.


Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 23, 2018 07:28 PM (pw+jk)

53 Who?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 23, 2018 07:28 PM (Dp6qK)

54 "Rock and roll is romanticism," Goldberg writes, with emphasis in the original.

That's so gay!

Posted by: Joy Reid at April 23, 2018 07:28 PM (njNH0)

55 He can have my Led Zeppelin when he pries it from my cold dead hands.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2018 07:26 PM (0ogQG)

Best Rock & Roll band ever.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:28 PM (Lh6Rk)

56 24 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (sCUYC)

The Count of Monte Cristo is so grim he makes Batman seem like Plastic Man....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:28 PM (SzZnW)

57 So, Music Thread!

Stand and fight we do consider
Reminded of an inner pact between us
That's seen as we go
And ride there
In motion
To fields in debts of honour defending

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:28 PM (yQpMk)

58
Stand the marchers soaring talons
Peaceful lives will not deliver freedom
Fighting we know,
Destroy oppression
The point to reaction
As leaders look to you attacking

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (yQpMk)

59 Musical Fascism: The Secret History of American Music from Blavatsky to Orban

A new and dramatic literary expose due out next month. Join the National Idiots cruise June 2 - 12, 2018 to have your own personal copy signed by Jonah in person.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (giT7q)

60
Choose and renounce throwing chains to the floor
Kill or be killing faster sins correct the flow
Casting giant shadows off vast
Penetrating force
To alter via the war that seen
As frictions spans the spirits' wrath ascending to redeem

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (yQpMk)

61 Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:25 PM (SzZnW)

A Yiddish tune sung by AA singers in Harlem.


Sounds like the 1940s were a hotbed of multiculti

Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (kD8Fh)

62 Sounds like the Donor/CoC/Corporate Party of 2020 is already at work in pealing away Christians from Trump's base. I have no idea who they will run, but I can see their plan from a mile away.

Posted by: Monk at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (Rw8Ov)

63 I washed my hands of Jonah Goldberg the day after the 2012 election, when he airily declared with a big grin that despite Obama's re-election, conservatives should be of good cheer, because things have never been better for conservatism - why, look at all these journals and think tanks and networks we have now that we didn't have 20 years ago!

In other words, he and his ilk have sweetly-paid gigs doing inside-the-beltway ideological circle-jerks with Bill Kristol, so who gives a shit what's happening to the normals.

Posted by: Ruger Service-Six .357 at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (1ouh3)

64
Wars that shout in screams of anguish
Power spent passion bespoils our soul receiver
Surely we know.
In glory we rise to offer,
Create our freedom, a word, we utter a word.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (yQpMk)

65 He needs meds. Good ones.

Posted by: Simplemind at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (ZuGkg)

66 Ah, who cares? Fuck that guy.

Posted by: Clifford Skridlow at April 23, 2018 07:30 PM (C1NyB)

67 42 Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (2kD+f)

and folks a GREAT WAY to depart is on the Salem Cruise with myself, Ed Morrissey, and this year a very special appearance by zombie Gerald Ford....

//Billy Dee Kristol

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:30 PM (SzZnW)

68
Words cause our banner, victorious our day
Will silence be promised as violence display
The curse increased we fight the pow'r and live by it by day
Our gods awake in thunderous roars and guide
The leader's hands in paths of glory to the cause

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:30 PM (yQpMk)

69 Argh! Off, gun thread sock!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 23, 2018 07:30 PM (1ouh3)

70 You know what else is romanticism?

Goldberg's image of himself as a great thinker.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 07:30 PM (oVJmc)

71 What the hell happened to Jonah? It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers or something.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2018 07:24 PM (B3NHb)


Trump happened, and he decided that all of the Republican voters had been conned by an appeal to atavistic emotions best left in the brutish past, an appeal such as "Make America Great Again."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 07:30 PM (0QYMt)

72 Rejecting unjustified authority used to be a rational conservative position.

Philosophically, this statement refutes the very possibility of a 'rational conservative position'.

There exists a rational pro-order position. It has been set out by Dante (no less) in "De Monarchia" and by Robert Filmer in "Patriarchia, or The Natural Power of Kings". These aren't much read in colleges, but Thomas Hobbes is, and Hobbes says much the same from a secular perspective.

In this model, authority is self-justifying, in that the lack of authority is anarchia.

If conservatism doesn't conserve lawful authority, it's just another specie of liberalism, just slower.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 23, 2018 07:30 PM (6FqZa)

73 Oh sweeties. Jonah swallows. No spitting for that little butterball of a big beautiful man.

Posted by: Shep Smith at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (pw+jk)

74 Oh my gosh. It's been decades since I've heard "the drumbeat is the tempo of Satan" argument. Even my grandma got over it. And she was an accordian-playing Baptist.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow is melting - at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (lwiT4)

75 To: Mr. Goldberg
Re: Satanic Devil Rock & Roll

Please call the 70's. No one else cares.

Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (tBimT)

76 61 Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (kD8Fh)

Quite...

then the Andrews Sisters took it gold...

I have to admit I do prefer Elle Fitzgerald's rendition of it....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (SzZnW)

77 Rock died when disco came along.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (0tfLf)

78 Time for a little cardbordeaux.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (Lh6Rk)

79 And she was an accordian-playing Baptist.


*recoils in horror*

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (yQpMk)

80 Just exposed my CA cousin to the Horde. You will either meet him in Oct, or I will never hear from him again.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (syqpf)

81 He is right about some of it you know

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (aC6Sd)

82
Listen should we fight forever
Knowing as we do know
Fear destroys?
Listen should we leave our children?
Listen our lives stare in silence
Help us now

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (yQpMk)

83 He knows Ted Nugent is more of a bow guy than a gun guy.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (MS0+a)

84 Here's my hot take ... pretty much what I'm going with from now on.

More and more ... I reflect on the wise words of Brother Cavil ...

OpSec. OpSec. OpSec.

Honestly ... I'm pretty much out of shit to say about all this. Either you think like me, or you don't and won't. At this point - no additional example will change anyone's mind.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (fiGNd)

85 I am with John Milner:

Rock and roll has been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly died.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (G8hDY)

86 Yeah, trying to think of the last "heavy rock" hit I heard playing (other than BabyMetal). Doesn't help that our local rock station sold its soul to iHeartRadio and the Hard Rock Casino so we never actually hear music played.

Posted by: pookysgirl at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (XKZwp)

87 Sounds like the Donor/CoC/Corporate Party of 2020 is already at work in pealing away Christians from Trump's base.

Let's ask Rick "Dental Pick to the Gums" Santorum and Mike Huckabee how that worked out for them.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (B3NHb)

88 I have to admit I do prefer Elle Fitzgerald's rendition of it....


Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (SzZnW)


I haven't heard that one, however her voice is one for the ages.

I do like me some Joan Jett, too. Especially: I Hate Myself For Loving You

And the Sex Pistols.

Ok so I guess I do like the rock music.

Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (kD8Fh)

89 He needs meds. Good ones.
Posted by: Simplemind at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM (ZuGkg)

He had them during the Obama reign of error.

Not sure why he changed suppliers.

Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (tBimT)

90
Listen your friends have been broken
They tell us of your poison
Now we know
Kill them give them as they give us
Slay them burn their children's laughter
On to hell

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (yQpMk)

91 No significant R&R since Beggars Banquet?

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (If3tB)

92 Why, that wacky Jonah is at it again!

Posted by: The Zombie Carpenters at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (Tyii7)

93 I agree with Goldberg that rock is degenerate btw. Allan Bloom said it first about the Rolling Stones.

Metal has promise. Since it often points back to opera and to old European folk.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (6FqZa)

94 Many bands are hard core Leftists, some are anarchists, the rest are just looking for the nookie.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (aC6Sd)

95

Goldberg a New Kids on the Block fan, then?


He looks like a Bay City Rollers guy to me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 07:34 PM (GdWl+)

96
The fist will run
Grasp metal to gun
The spirit sings in crashing tones we gain the battle drum
Our cries will shrill the air will moan and crash into the dawn
The pen won't stay the demon's wings, the hour approaches
Pounding out the devil's sermon

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:34 PM (yQpMk)

97 Just exposed my CA cousin to the Horde. You will either meet him in Oct, or I will never hear from him again.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (syqpf)


When I gave a copy of The Cookbook to my sister, I said I found it at a used book sale and it looked...

interesting!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 07:34 PM (n9EOP)

98 81 Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (aC6Sd)

He could be right about all of it, and I could care less but barely.

Here's the deal, the NRO Salon Hot 25s refuse to punish the left and the left NEEDS punished.

I prefer they leave and join the left openly and proudly rather than their current shtick of trying to be a pressure regulator on the anger of the normals.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:34 PM (SzZnW)

99 Rock and roll has been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly diedwas murdered in a plane crash by The Big Bopper to fulfill a blackmail obligation to Don McLean.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 23, 2018 07:32 PM (G8hDY)

Posted by: hogmartin at April 23, 2018 07:34 PM (y87Qq)

100 Well, even if he hadn't lost his mind with the Entrumpenation, this is the sort of theoretical bubble-blowing* of Goldberg's I'd always ignored, anyway. So, I guess I'm doubly ignoring it, or ignoring it twice as hard.


* a term actually stolen from an early Karl Marx essay ("On Feuerbach", perhaps), though I've never found the actual German version

Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2018 07:34 PM (QDnY+)

101 I used to like Goldberg. Wow.

Posted by: Northernlurker at April 23, 2018 07:34 PM (sILsL)

102 Good Lord, this man is stupid. I won't listen to anything BUT rock music. The rest of it sucks balls.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (dUJdY)

103 And the Beet Hooven Guy?

A Radical! With Strange Ideas and even stranger Music!

Posted by: Don Q. at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (NgKpN)

104
Sounds like the Donor/CoC/Corporate Party of 2020 is already at work in pealing away Christians from Trump's base. I have no idea who they will run, but I can see their plan from a mile away.
Posted by: Monk at April 23, 2018 07:29 PM



McMullin / Beck 2020 !

Posted by: Jonah at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (EzdLW)

105 75 To: Mr. Goldberg
Re: Satanic Devil Rock & Roll

Please call the 70's. No one else cares.
Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (tBimT)

We're not gonna take him.

Posted by: The '70s at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (Dp6qK)

106 Many bands are hard core Leftists, some are anarchists, the rest are just looking for the nookie.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (aC6Sd)


I think you have the order of importance incorrect!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (n9EOP)

107
Soon oh soon the light
Pass within and soothe this endless night
And wait here for you
Our reason to be here

Soon oh soon the time
All we move to gain will reach and calm
Our heart is open
Our reason to be here

Long ago, set into rhyme

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (yQpMk)

108 God Save the King!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (MuTTO)

109 "What the hell happened to Jonah? It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers or something.



Posted by: Circa"

-----------

See my comment #63. He was already there in 2012.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (1ouh3)

110 Behold the intersectionality of metal and mariachi -- Metalachi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZInUxr_2OE

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (qJtVm)

111 If you read the book "Liberal Fascism" backwards, you will find that it is actually a Spanish translation of Mussolini's "The Doctrine of Fascism" repeated three times with the chapters rearranged each time through.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (giT7q)

112 Anybody remember the Mike Royko column where he talked about the priest who gave a sermon claiming that music with a syncopated beat was destroying young America with it's vile sexual drive? Or something like that.

Posted by: Clifford Skridlow at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (C1NyB)

113 88 Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:33 PM (kD8Fh)

I'd pay good money for Debbie Harry to do a cover.

https://youtu.be/gQHXR8h4woQ

Bei Mir Ella Fitzgerald

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (SzZnW)

114 Rock and roll has been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly diedwas murdered in a plane crash by The Big Bopper to fulfill a blackmail obligation to Don McLean.

I KNEW IT!!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (B3NHb)

115 Like my Tshirt says, "I may be old, but I had all the good music."

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow is melting - at April 23, 2018 07:36 PM (lwiT4)

116 Jonah turned into John Lithgow's Reverend Shaw from Footloose

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at April 23, 2018 07:36 PM (PUKsa)

117 In other words, Old Man yells at cloud

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 07:36 PM (ANIFC)

118
Soon oh soon the light
Ours to shape for all time, ours the right
The sun will lead us
Our reason to be here

Soon oh soon the light
Ours to shape for all time, ours the right
The sun will lead us
Our reason to be here

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:36 PM (yQpMk)

119 These would-be intellectuals get awfully emotional about reason...

Posted by: IanDeal at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (5mrLG)

120 What the hell happened to Jonah?



Follow the money.

Posted by: Deep Stoat at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (yQpMk)

121 Sounds like we need some congressional hearings and stickers about the imminent danger posed by rock and roll music.

Posted by: f'd at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (UdKB7)

122 If I understand him correctly, we should separate love from sex and just e pluribus bang 'em.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (+y/Ru)

123 Way late to the thread and comments but, is this guy retarded?
Preachers and politicians in the 1950's were warning us about rock n roll being, "Of the Devil".
Or, is he just another victim of TDS?

Posted by: Winston at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (wgCUV)

124 Rock was 1974 - 1989.

Posted by: Slick Willie, Zipper Down! at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (4uIgh)

125 NRO hasn't been entirely bad. John Derbyshire warned against being in the proximity of unruly mobs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (nBBdT)

126 I have to type a sermon about the Ethiopian eunuch. bbl

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow is melting - at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (lwiT4)

127 If I understand him correctly, we should separate love from sex and just e pluribus bang 'em.


They'll give you cat-scratch fever.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (yQpMk)

128 112 Anybody remember the Mike Royko column where he talked about the priest who gave a sermon claiming that music with a syncopated beat was destroying young America with it's vile sexual drive? Or something like that.

I have a friend who was absolutely convinced that the phrase "domo origato" (as in "domo origato, mr. roboto") was some obscure Latin phrase meaning "God is dead".

Posted by: Anachronda at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (sGtp+)

129 He really wants to give Trump a hug, but can't do it. So, he writes this crap.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (MS0+a)

130 125 NRO hasn't been entirely bad. John Derbyshire warned against being in the proximity of unruly mobs.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (nBBdT)



And he was canned for it. :-(

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (ujg0T)

131 Or, is he just another victim of TDS?

--

Itsa cry for help.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (roQNm)

132 What's Jonah think of The London Boys?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (oVJmc)

133 Jonah, do you like Moby?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (JJF7k)

134 The bands I like actually are pretty conservative.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (dUJdY)

135 Goldberg is going after Jethro Tull. He thinks Jethro Tull is the archetype of the Dionysian chaos predicted by Nietzsche and prophesied by Alan Freed. Signs and portents abound.

He also thinks Jethro Tull, those purveyors of the great Romantic Lie, are a hard rock band.

I'm with Ace on this one. What can you say to stuff like that?

Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (qUD5Q)

136 Goldberg is a boor. They all are. Scolding boomers for Jethro Tull? Last time I saw a venue sporting his name was 40 years ago.

I think there were still a few living civil war vets back then.

Posted by: 13times at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (K3B2k)

137 well, for purposes of discussion, we can begin by eliminating music from the 1990s because everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (MTjB1)

138 Herb Tarlek - The Dungarees vs The Suits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFE31-GzjaY

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (xPl2J)

139 Rock on!

Posted by: Archer at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (4uIgh)

140 I'm so old I remember when National Review had a 20th anniversary tribute to Iron Maiden's "Powerslave."

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (ANIFC)

141 125 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 07:37 PM (nBBdT)

NRO is on what "Week Four of America Under Siege-The Kevin D Williamson Story"?

I'm old enough to remember when NRO ran off Derbyshire, Coulter, and Steyn so color me keenly apathetic about "SAVE NRO FONZIE!"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (SzZnW)

142 Jonah, do you like Moby?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 07:38 PM (JJF7k)


How about gladiator movies?

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (n9EOP)

143 Dude is stretching to be deep, trenchant and relevant.

These never trumpers are becoming bigger goof balls by the day.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (lkGNM)

144 We're not gonna take him.
Posted by: The '70s at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (Dp6qK)

Heh. From what I remember, sounds about right.

Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (tBimT)

145 He doesn't know anything about Tull. He just Googled "Grammy Heavy Metal" and they were first on the list.

Posted by: Crimso at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (prh9V)

146 Yeah... because songs about Girls... and Cars... and Beaches... and Surfing...

And I want to Hold your Hand...

Not to mention... Good Golly, Miss Molly...

Are clearly meant to create the conditions for the downfall of Western Civilization....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (NgKpN)

147 135 Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (qUD5Q)

Five of the last five school shooters were TullHeads....

(SWIDT?)

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (SzZnW)

148 I forgot where I overheard it but it was a class of young kids getting the lecture Tori Amos was the coming of the Anti-Christ or something.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (aC6Sd)

149 Jonah who now?

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (jHrzU)

150 The culture sort of came unglued at the same time rock became popular, but that was probably a symptom, not the cause. Rock is old people music now. Guitars are the accordions of the twenty-first century.

Posted by: Monty James at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (95+Xk)

151 We need to track down the man who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp and lock him up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (+y/Ru)

152 J G is a cu*t. That is all!!!

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (0OmEj)

153 Welcome to 2018, when Morrissey became a more muscular conservative than the staff of The Weekly Standard.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (1ouh3)

154 Why...do...birds...suddenly appear? Every time, Goldberg's near?

Posted by: The Zombie Carpenters at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (Tyii7)

155 What can you say to stuff like that?



The Mouse Police never sleep.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (yQpMk)

156 No significant R&R since Beggars Banquet?

Exile came after that.

Speaking of Sympathy for the Devil, there is a Jean-Luc Godard movie of the same name from 1968.

It intercuts the Stones developing that song in the studio with Marxist diatribes, Black Panther rants, and stupid sixties performance schtick. It is ineffably bad. It can not be abided.

But if you get it in on demand and fast forward through all the claptrap you do get to see the song develop. It started out almost folky and ended up a samba.

I even did math in my head, Mick was 25 at the time and at the top of his game.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (fuK7c)

157 Sheep.Smith wants to hear Johan digress on Big Balls' cultural relevance.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (MS0+a)

158 Has anyone ever read Douglas Hofstadter's pop. science works? Godel Escher Bach, etc.. I thought they were interesting reads at first. But I got put off by his alien like elitism.

One aspect of that was his obvious dislike of Rock music. In one book, I forget which, he makes an analogy between having rock songs at a funeral because the deceased liked it and fart sounds because maybe the deceased liked that too. I was thinking, "Are you even human?"

Posted by: bananaDream at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (yRBj9)

159
Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
My words but a whisper, your deafness a SHOUT.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.
Your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the sink.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (yQpMk)

160 Grump928(C), classing up the joint.

Posted by: Crimso at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (prh9V)

161 If I understand him correctly, we should separate love from sex and just e pluribus bang 'em.

Except fat chicks.

Posted by: Kill Bristol at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (Dp6qK)

162 I KNEW IT!!!!
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (B3NHb)


http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=373377#c28185712

Posted by: hogmartin at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (y87Qq)

163 Like my Tshirt says, "I may be old, but I had all the good music."
Posted by: grammie winger - the snow is melting - at April 23, 2018 07:36 PM (lwiT4)

*Fist bump*

Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (tBimT)

164 National Review should have stuck with the make-out meter.

https://youtu.be/pfn1ieDySe4?t=30s

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (Tnhbr)

165 Just introduced my CA cousin to the Horde. You will either meet him in Oct or I will never hear from him again.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (syqpf)

166 "Sounds like we need some congressional hearings and stickers about the imminent danger posed by rock and roll music."

Ya hear that, Tipper?
You're up next at bat.

Posted by: backbeatbaby at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (w7KSn)

167
So you ride yourselves over the fields and
you make all your animal deals and
your wise men don't know how it feels
to be thick as a brick.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

168 159
Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
My words but a whisper, your deafness a SHOUT.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.
Your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the sink.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (yQpMk)



Some of that album must speak to Goldberg: "I've come down from the upper class, to mend your rotten ways...."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (ujg0T)

169 People like Sam Adams have no place in civilized society.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (MuTTO)

170 135 Goldberg is going after Jethro Tull. He thinks Jethro Tull is the archetype of the Dionysian chaos predicted by Nietzsche and prophesied by Alan Freed. Signs and portents abound.

He also thinks Jethro Tull, those purveyors of the great Romantic Lie, are a hard rock band.

I'm with Ace on this one. What can you say to stuff like that?
Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (qUD5Q)

Well.... we all know that Jethro Tull is actually a Political Radical and has a hedonistic Philosophy...

Clearly he is out to destroy Western Civilization....

Wait.... Jethro isn't a real person? uyhhhh...

Posted by: NRO Writer at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (NgKpN)

171 Grammie, you should preach about Esther and Mordecai and the gallows that Haman built.


An allegory for Never Trumpers and the Deep State.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (Lh6Rk)

172
And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away
In the tidal destruction the moral melee.
The elastic retreat rings the close of play
as the last wave uncovers the newfangled way.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (yQpMk)

173 I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so

Posted by: Jona Goldmember at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (M+Lyo)

174 well, for purposes of discussion, we can begin by eliminating music from the 1990s because everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (MTjB1)


The Black Crowes.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (fiGNd)

175 I wouldn't even say we have Rock N Roll anymore. If we are using contemporary music to look into the collective soul of society then, ish. Because RAP etc.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (EDSlc)

176 Oh my gosh. It's been decades since I've heard "the
drumbeat is the tempo of Satan" argument. Even my grandma got over it.
And she was an accordian-playing Baptist.


Posted by: grammie winger - the snow is melting - at April 23, 2018 07:31 PM (lwiT4)

I went to a Christian high school where dancing was banned (yes, BANNED) and yet our talent show regularly featured rock bands. Ryan K. pretending to barf as his group acted out the Bohemian Rhapsody scene from "Wayne's World" still makes me laugh to this day.

Posted by: pookysgirl at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (XKZwp)

177 Guitars are the accordions of the twenty-first century.

That's right, baby. We're the kings now!

Posted by: Snowflake Ukuleles at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (Tyii7)

178
But your new shoes are worn at the heels
and your suntan does rapidly peel
and your wise men don't know how it feels
to be thick as a brick.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (yQpMk)

179 The best part of Jonah Goldberg ran down his mama's crack and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (+dsLj)

180 First, George Will told us that jeans were The Devil.

You misspelled "dungarees".

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (sdi6R)

181 169 People like Sam Adams have no place in civilized society.
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (MuTTO)

LOL.....

Could you imagine Jonah meeting my Favorite Founding Father....

Benjamin Franklin???

/facepalm

Posted by: Don Q. at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (NgKpN)

182 Jay-Z lyrics like: "Credit/ You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This is how they did it. [Credit]"
_______________

That idiot black politician in D.C. who was recently ranting about how the Jews control the weather and own all the property, etc., did not come by those views by accident.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (fqUgw)

183 I'm old enough to remember when NRO ran off Derbyshire, Coulter, and Steyn so color me keenly apathetic about "SAVE NRO FONZIE!"
Posted by: sven10077
-----------

Today, they would fire Bill Buckley.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (7ThJ3)

184 Is the state dinner for the Fwench tonight? If so, what's Mrs Trump wearing? Much more important than what Goldberg thinks about rock music.

Posted by: Tuna at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (jm1YL)

185
And the love that I feel is so far away:
I'm a bad dream that I just had today
and you shake your head
and say it's a shame.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (yQpMk)

186 So when is the first National Review record burning scheduled?

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (xPl2J)

187 well, for purposes of discussion, we can begin by eliminating music from the 1990s because everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (MTjB1)


Old Crow Medicine Show

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (fiGNd)

188 175 I wouldn't even say we have Rock N Roll anymore. If we are using contemporary music to look into the collective soul of society then, ish. Because RAP etc.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (EDSlc)

Even country is going to shit...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 23, 2018 07:45 PM (NgKpN)

189 Jonah was conceived when his mother saw Elvis gyrate on Ed Sullivan.

The show, I mean, not Ed himself.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 07:45 PM (oVJmc)

190 Signs and Portents - weren't they a studio band. I don't think they ever went tour.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 07:45 PM (roQNm)

191 He hears the silence howling


Catches angels as they fall

And the all-time winner


Has got him by the balls


He picks up Gideons Bible


Open at page one

I think God He stole the handle and


The train won't stop going


No way to slow down

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 23, 2018 07:45 PM (M+Lyo)

192 170 135 Goldberg is going after Jethro Tull. He thinks Jethro Tull is the archetype of the Dionysian chaos predicted by Nietzsche and prophesied by Alan Freed. Signs and portents abound.

He also thinks Jethro Tull, those purveyors of the great Romantic Lie, are a hard rock band.

I'm with Ace on this one. What can you say to stuff like that?
Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (qUD5Q)

Well.... we all know that Jethro Tull is actually a Political Radical and has a hedonistic Philosophy...

Clearly he is out to destroy Western Civilization....

Wait.... Jethro isn't a real person? uyhhhh...
Posted by: NRO Writer at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (NgKpN)

Of course, Jethro Tull won the first Grammy for Heavy Metal, so you can understand his confusion.

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 07:46 PM (ANIFC)

193 "They say they want revolution,
but they don't know what they're fighting."

That's also Tull. Jonah needs to go back to critiquing women's prison movies.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 07:46 PM (fVubI)

194 Great post, ace.

Posted by: Max Power at April 23, 2018 07:46 PM (QCc6B)

195
I couldn't stop movin' when it first took hold
It was a warm spring night at the old town hall
There was a group called The Jokers, they were layin' it down
Don't cha know I'm never gonna lose that funky sound

Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Lawdy mama light my fuse
Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Truck on out and spread the news

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:46 PM (yQpMk)

196 <<The rational brain is the tip of the iceberg -- 90% of thinking is
invisible or at least very hard to see, beneath the surface, a mix of
emotion, instinct, and some occasional random neuron walks.>>

This is why I chuckle when people tell me that marijuana does not aid cognition. I find that when I am stoned and pondering a complex legal question, sometimes I "get" it in some kind of intuitive way and I just have to work through articulating it until the articulation matches the feeling I get from the intuition. This effect is most prominent when I have to harmonize different statutes or apply statutes in different ways.

Posted by: SFgoth at April 23, 2018 07:46 PM (dZ756)

197 *People like Sam Adams have no place in civilized society.
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:42 PM (MuTTO)*

Wait!

His beer is really good.

Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 07:46 PM (tBimT)

198 158 In one book, I forget which, he makes an analogy between having rock songs at a funeral because the deceased liked it and fart sounds because maybe the deceased liked that too. I was thinking, "Are you even human?"

now that I've seen "Ready Player One", I know what I want my funeral to look like. Only more Klingony.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 23, 2018 07:47 PM (sGtp+)

199 I was waiting for him to denounce Elvis.

Posted by: Texican ette at April 23, 2018 07:47 PM (fHFm9)

200 well, for purposes of discussion, we can begin by eliminating music from the 1990s because everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (MTjB1)


Robert Earl Keen ... A Bigger Piece of Sky.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 07:47 PM (fiGNd)

201 In honor of Goldbrick I put Jefferson Airplane's "Bless His Pointed Little Head".

Posted by: gNewt at April 23, 2018 07:47 PM (1me8P)

202
The skeeters start buzzing 'bout this time o' year
I'm goin' round back, she said she'd meet me there
We were rollin' in the grass that grows behind the barn
When my ears started ringin' like a fire alarm

Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Lawdy mama light my fuse
Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Truck on out and spread the news

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (yQpMk)

203 He also thinks Jethro Tull, those purveyors of the great Romantic Lie, are a hard rock band.

That's insane. Jethro Tull is clearly metal. Just ask the Grammys.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (Tnhbr)

204 Ryan K. pretending to barf as his group acted out the Bohemian Rhapsody scene from "Wayne's World" still makes me laugh to this day.
Posted by: pookysgirl at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (XKZwp)

What did they do when Kevin Bacon showed up and taught people to dance?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (Dp6qK)

205 This is why I chuckle when people tell me that marijuana does not aid cognition. I find that when I am stoned and pondering a complex legal question, sometimes I "get" it in some kind of intuitive way and I just have to work through articulating it until the articulation matches the feeling I get from the intuition. This effect is most prominent when I have to harmonize different statutes or apply statutes in different ways.
Posted by: SFgoth at April 23, 2018 07:46 PM (dZ756)

So, what you're saying is the law often only makes sense, if you are stoned...

Not sure what that says about the law.... LOL

Posted by: Don Q. at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (NgKpN)

206 First, George Will told us that jeans were The Devil.

Yes, and this is why I wear leggings.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (Lh6Rk)

207 PDT doesn't invite any Dem congresscritters to the State Dinner.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (syqpf)

208 Anybody remember the Mike Royko column where he
talked about the priest who gave a sermon claiming that music with a
syncopated beat was destroying young America with it's vile sexual
drive? Or something like that.

Posted by: Clifford Skridlow at April 23, 2018 07:35 PM (C1NyB)

Dear Father:
Too Late, we already know about sex.
Signed, Mom, Dad and your six siblings.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (0QYMt)

209 Sweet Jesus, how Trump has driven these people crazy. This is the guy that wrote "Liberal Fascism". Now he's the old guy yelling at clouds about Rock n Roll and tight pants.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (ppaKI)

210 well, for purposes of discussion, we can begin by eliminating music from the 1990s because everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (MTjB1)


Junior Brown.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (fiGNd)

211 What the hell does Goldberg have against Jethro Tull? I mean, who can be against crop rotation?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (fA1SL)

212 LOL.....

Could you imagine Jonah meeting my Favorite Founding Father....

Benjamin Franklin???

/facepalm
Posted by: Don Q. at April 23, 2018 07:43 PM (NgKpN)

--------------------------------------

However, I am sure Jonah would have had a gay old time with Lord North, Lord George Germain and the Earl of Sandwich.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (MuTTO)

213 I have to harmonize different statutes or apply statutes in different ways.

**************************

These statutes are cool man, they're ALL cool...

Posted by: Pothead in Colorado at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (+dsLj)

214 I figure Goldberg is engaging in a bit of virtue signaling here. Kind of like how Lefties are proud of their ignorance of all things gun. If Goldberg shows that he does not know much about Jethro Tull, then he does not have to waste brain cells trying to square the circle between that and condemning them.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (G8hDY)

215 Why does anyone give Jonah the time of day anymore?
Posted by: Kevin Thompson at April 23, 2018 07:27 PM (4wcdH)

---

For the same reason they ever did... his mom totally screwed over Bill Clinton and so Jonah got a golden ticket to a sinecure on the "intellectual" "Right."

Plain old nepotism.

Posted by: The Paolo at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (UiRxW)

216 Ugly Kid Joe - Everything about you.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (zY45x)

217
Hope ya'll know what I'm talkin' about
The way they wiggle that thing, it really knocks me out
I'm gettin' high all the time, hope ya'll are too
Come on a little closer, gonna do it to you

Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Lawdy mama light my fuse
Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Truck on out and spread the news

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (yQpMk)

218 Crest Of A Knave > And Justice For All

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (xPl2J)

219 I'm not gonna even try to understand this latest flight of fancy from an eLite, bcz why should I keep reading crazy stuff. Why subject myself to even more inanity. My mind is rejecting fiddlefaddle.



Help me if you can, I'm feeling down



Posted by: Prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (z3nSX)

220 But conservatives are totally fun and not old fuddy-duddies stuck in the long past.


Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (rznWS)

221 What -- did this essay emerge from a wormhole connecting 2018 back to 1957? The "rock 'n' roll debate" pretty much was over by 1959, when rock was by then al;ready co-opeted by corporate labels pushing crooners rebranded as "teen heart-throbs" and the whole genre became totally mainstream.

Ace asks:

"genuine rock music hasn't been particularly culturally significant for about 15 years now. What's the last big true rock hit you can think of?"

Hmm, for me, the last "rock" song that I liked was "R U Mine?" by Arctic Monkeys in 2012 -- mostly because it really recalled old-school hard-rock/metal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngzC_8zqInk

Also because it has some funny retro lyric references.

But aside from that, I'd have to go back to abut 2006-8 for any songs worth a second listen.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM (42M22)

222 Sweet Jesus, how Trump has driven these people crazy.

****************

He's the Ivan Drago of politics.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 23, 2018 07:50 PM (+dsLj)

223 The culture sort of came unglued at the same time
rock became popular, but that was probably a symptom, not the cause.
Rock is old people music now. Guitars are the accordions of the
twenty-first century.


Posted by: Monty James at April 23, 2018 07:40 PM (95+Xk)


An accordion through a Pro Co Rat? Hmmm. Interesting.

Posted by: M3tal H3ad at April 23, 2018 07:50 PM (sXefu)

224 ''PDT doesn't invite any Dem congresscritters to the State Dinner.''

Really? LOL!

Posted by: Tuna at April 23, 2018 07:50 PM (jm1YL)

225 Hope Jonah likes Mexican music, cuz he's gonna hear a shitload of it until he dies. Its almost as if Jonah needs to rent a U-Haul or die.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 07:50 PM (vV/gB)

226
Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Lawdy mama light my fuse
Rock and roll, Hoochie Koo
Truck on out and spread the news

That I'm tired of payin' dues
Done said goodbye to all my blues
Lawdy mama light my fuse

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

227 @209: "Sweet Jesus, how Trump has driven these people crazy."

Nah, he's just revealed that they always were crazy; they just hid it to a greater or lesser degree.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (rznWS)

228 So he's taking a break from fapping to Stormy Daniels?

Posted by: thirteen28 at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (GdJ+p)

229 Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
Jonah Goldberg began to howl

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (+y/Ru)

230 Oh, since we are sharing.

I like Blue Stahli, which I learned about right here at AoS.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (G8hDY)

231 Rock died with SRV.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (yQpMk)

232 PDT doesn't invite any Dem congresscritters to the State Dinner.''



Really? LOL!

Posted by: Tuna at April 23, 2018 07:50 PM (jm1YL)

I think the only Dem attending is the governor of Louisiana.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (xPl2J)

233 10 My affection for the rock and roll is greatly diminishing, but that's only because I'm turning into an old fart.

I'm not real enthused about the rythym and blues, or delta blues, or any of the music that used to keep my booty engaged. I really am more attuned to classical music and 1940s and 1950s crooners. And George Strait.
Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2018 07:21 PM (kD8Fh)


It is kind of funny how Bob Dylan, who was a major figure in 60s and 70s rock music, has turned to old standards in recent years, covering many songs that Frank Sinatra once sang. Uncle Bob has always kept his fans on their toes.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (sdi6R)

234 "Bring me my broadsword, and clear understanding.
Bring me a cross of gold as a talisman.
Bless with a hard heart those who surround me.
Bless the women and children who firm our hands.
Put our backs to the north wind. Hold fast by the river.
Sweet memories to drive us on for the motherland."

Also Jethro Tull. And what is bad about any of that sentiment?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (fVubI)

235 Reminds of the scene in McClintock where Jerry Van Dyke played that new fangled young people music they were playing at the college McClintock's daughter was attending.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (2DOZq)

236 I see frumpy old Jonah has gotten into the cooking sherry again. But he's correct; that swivel-hipped devil, Elvis the Pelvis, will continue to destroy society's moral fiber and emotionally cripple our youth for generations.

Posted by: Fritz at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (J7XgW)

237 Damn long hairs smell.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (r9UYA)

238 216; preaching to the choir, here.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (KP5rU)

239 "Viva la Vida" by Coldplay in 2008 was perhaps the last truly culture-wide mega-hit in the rock genre.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (42M22)

240 First, George Will told us that jeans were The Devil.

Yes, and this is why I wear leggings.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (Lh6Rk)


What did George have to say about chaps?

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (n9EOP)

241 Hmmm..... but Jonah really needs to hear my FAVORITE all time line from Tull....


Lend me your ears, while I call you a Fool....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (NgKpN)

242 ''Sweet Jesus, how Trump has driven these people crazy. ''

And you can tell he enjoys doing it. Long live PDT!

Posted by: Tuna at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (jm1YL)

243 Give me some Rev Horton Heat , some Hank lll a little Psycho-Billy and maybe some Rock-o-billy

Posted by: NativeNH at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (dtRY5)

244 @201: "In honor of Goldbrick I put Jefferson Airplane's "Bless His Pointed Little Head"."

The Queers' "Journey to the Center of Your Empty Fucking Skull" would also be acceptable.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (rznWS)

245 Many bands are hard core Leftists, some are anarchists, the rest are just looking for the nookie.
Posted by: Skip

Mostly the nookie angle.

If you're looking for consistent rational philosophy from Tull, you are going to be sorely disappointed. Tull had some good music but the lyrics to most of it was just God-awful.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (+Tibp)

246 Snot is running down his nose....Never go full Goldberg.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (EDSlc)

247 Remember when we thought people suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome were fucked in the nad?

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (+dsLj)

248 I always was partial to Lowell George, Allman Bros., Charlie Daniels, Lynryd, etc.

Posted by: backbeatbaby at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (w7KSn)

249
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highlight lyrics to add meaning...

Walking through forests of palm tree apartments
Scoff at the monkeys who live in their dark tents
Down by the waterhole, drunk every Friday
Eating their nuts, saving their raisins for Sunday
Lions and tigers who wait in the shadows
They're fast but they're lazy, and sleep in green meadows
Well, let's bungle in the jungle
Well, that's all right by me, yes
Well, I'm a tiger when I want love
And I'm a snake if we disagree

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Just say a word and the boys will be right there
With claws at your back to send a chill through the night air
Is it so frightening to have me at your shoulder?
Thunder and lightning couldn't be bolder
I'll write on your tombstone, I thank you for dinner
This game that we animals play is a winner


Posted by: morigu at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (1u1uz)

250 What did George have to say about chaps?
Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 07:52 PM (n9EOP)

That they were ass-less?

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (Lh6Rk)

251 Gregorian chants. That's real music.

Posted by: Jonah Goldturd at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (hMwEB)

252 What the hell does Goldberg have against Jethro Tull?

---

Aqualung
Cross-eyed Mary
Bungle in the Jungle
Thick as a Brick

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (roQNm)

253 Buddy Holly---> Luciferian

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (r9UYA)

254 Your honor, I'd like a continuation. My attorney smells like bong water and he's on his ninth bag of Cheetos.

Posted by: Defendant #34 at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (Tyii7)

255 I think that the kids in Greta Van Fleet are going to save rock in 2018 (by sounding exactly like Zeppelin). But Robert Plant approves, so give them a listen

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (Lxe59)

256 I still have my Pandora AC / DC channel. Sometimes you just need to rock.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (2DOZq)

257 Rock died with SRV.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (yQpMk)

Yup.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (T71PA)

258 223. Accordions - essential instrument in most music of SMR.

Ni za sto godina -
https://youtu.be/ignq296onLs

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (fA1SL)

259 227 @209: "Sweet Jesus, how Trump has driven these people crazy."

Nah, he's just revealed that they always were crazy; they just hid it to a greater or lesser degree.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (rznWS)


The falling of the masks continues apace!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 07:54 PM (n9EOP)

260 Elvis the Pelvis, will continue to destroy society's moral fiber and emotionally cripple our youth for generations.

**********************

Thank you, thank you very much.

Posted by: Elvis Impersonator #694 at April 23, 2018 07:54 PM (+dsLj)

261 Also Jethro Tull. And what is bad about any of that sentiment?


Have you heard my story?

Posted by: Aqualung at April 23, 2018 07:54 PM (fuK7c)

262 Jonah Goldstein is a typical eighth-grade GOP homo.

GOLDSTEIN!

Posted by: Joy Reid at April 23, 2018 07:54 PM (398bZ)

263 grumpy old sock removal

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 23, 2018 07:54 PM (hMwEB)

264 248 I always was partial to Lowell George, Allman Bros., Charlie Daniels, Lynryd, etc.
Posted by: backbeatbaby at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (w7KSn)

I bought The Essential Allman Bros CD at the Dollar General last week for $6. It is surprisingly good. Has a 15 minute long version of Jessica that totally rocks.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (Lh6Rk)

265 Goldbrick is afraid they might haul him off to camp. No worries Joanah, you're a good boy.

Posted by: gNewt at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (1me8P)

266 The odd thing is Ian Anderson hated hippies, and because of that refused to play Woodstock. You would think Jonah would know something about popular history. Jethro Tull was designed as a modern homage to traditional English music.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (vV/gB)

267 Tom Petty still had some good albums in the 90s.

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (ANIFC)

268 I know what this is! It's like that TOS Star Trek where Kirk's body is swapped for the chick's and the 'new' Kirk goes swishing around the Enterprise doing his nails.

Michelle Goldberg has taken over Jonah's body and is now swishing around NR doing his nails!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (VBKy9)

269 Also Jethro Tull. And what is bad about any of that sentiment?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (fVubI)


Same as its always been ... doesn't sound inspirational quite like Lee Greenwood - especially to those that fancy themselves always in charge.

Like I always say ... and always gonna' say ...

More and more ... I reflect on the wise words of Brother Cavil ...

OpSec. OpSec. OpSec.

Honestly ... I'm pretty much out of shit to say about all this. Either you think like me, or you don't and won't. At this point - no additional example will change anyone's mind.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (fiGNd)

270 Just idly wondering what Goldberg thinks about that execrable Broadway show Hamilton.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (G8hDY)

271 The no Dems invited to the state dinner thing is outstanding. From passing on the correspondents' dinner, to this, Trump has shown excellent style and strategy in reacting to the inexcusable, juvenile, degrading behavior of the Beltway.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (QDnY+)

272 Jethro Tull always reminds me of a Renaissance Festival.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (2DOZq)

273 Rock and Roll is here to stay.

Now Hip Hop is the devil's work

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (SjImc)

274 George Will never had his ass in a pair for starched Wranglers. Pussy

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (syqpf)

275 O/T

So apparently, every f'n bar and tavern in our downtown area has decided to remove straws. If you want one, you have to ask for it.

Because....goddamn turtles are dying from getting straws stuck in their noses.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (EyPfd)

276 Confession Booth:

I have exactly ZERO Jethro Tull songs in my mp3 collection -- which otherwise is extremely eclectic and wide-ranging. They just never really rang my bell. Although I did appreciate their Isle of Wight performance.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (42M22)

277 271 The no Dems invited to the state dinner thing is outstanding. From passing on the correspondents' dinner, to this, Trump has shown excellent style and strategy in reacting to the inexcusable, juvenile, degrading behavior of the Beltway.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (QDnY+)

Amen.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (Lh6Rk)

278 Related story: the last Grammy show I watched was in 1988. That was the first year for the best hard rock award. It was Jethro Tull vs. Metallica. Metallica, of course, was assumed to win because in our dorm, nobody even knew who the f**k Jethro Tull was. Yet there it was, some jazz-flute-playing dork winning the Grammy over the Gods of Hard Rock.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (ppaKI)

279 One of these days Jonah's column will be

Get off my lawn!

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (aC6Sd)

280 Because....goddamn turtles are dying from getting straws stuck in their noses.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM (EyPfd)


It's a hell of a drug.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (y87Qq)

281 "Wait.... Jethro isn't a real person? uyhhhh... "

Well, there really was a Jethro Tull -- he invented some farming implement called a seed drill.

The band by that name, however, had been changing names on a weekly basis so they could get gigs, and the one week they managed to get noticed, their name happened to be "Jethro Tull". Or, as initially translated into American, "Jethro Toe".

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (fVubI)

282 239. Pinochet tribute video, Viva la vida.

https://youtu.be/_H2wPOCKjlI

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (fA1SL)

283 Jonah should get one of those carbon monoxide detectors and make sure he's not being slowly poisoned.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (4ErVI)

284 jethro tull sucks monkey ass. metal my ass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (KP5rU)

285 But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible
Logical, oh responsible, practical
And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable
Oh clinical, oh intellectual, cynical

Posted by: WOPR at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (J70i0)

286 Just idly wondering what Goldberg thinks about that execrable Broadway show Hamilton.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 23, 2018 07:55 PM (G8hDY)


$5 says he thinks "Hamilton" is simply fabulous!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (n9EOP)

287 The no Dems invited to the state dinner thing is outstanding. From passing on the correspondents' dinner, to this, Trump has shown excellent style and strategy in reacting to the inexcusable, juvenile, degrading behavior of the Beltway.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2018 07:56 PM

As for the correspondents dinner especially. Why would anyone that's been attacked DAILY by these fucks want to go pretend he likes them or can even tolerate them? Good for him.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (EDSlc)

288 So in about 40 years we can look forward to National Review decrying the mindless rhythm and misogynistic lyrics of rap, huh?

Just kidding. They won't make it another 10 years, much less 40.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (xzV6l)

289 Jethro Tull was designed as a modern homage to traditional English music.


Ian Anderson was the best rock n roll flautist, in part because I think he was the only one.

I love fusion of folk and Celtic music with rock or punk rock. Contemporary with Tull were Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention.

Modern-ish heir is the Pogues.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (fuK7c)

290 I hear the van in Toronto was a full automatic. F*ck the CAA.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (FJXGr)

291 Jethro Tull played at the 1970 Isle of Wight festival. There is a movie about it. Hoo boy, what a train wreck that was. The audience hated the promoters, the promoters hated the performers, and the performers hated the audience.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (sdi6R)

292

So Jethro Tull is going to be the demise of us. I wonder what he thinks of Jethro Bodine?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (SiINZ)

293 Has anyone told Jonah that the song isn't "Let's Spend Some Time Together," but rather "Let's Spend The Night Together"? I'm not sure if we have a fainting couch handy....

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (rznWS)

294 Why would anyone that's been attacked DAILY by these fucks want to go pretend he likes them or can even tolerate them? Good for him.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (EDSlc)

Exactly. They hate us. Want to pulverize and shut us up or worse. It's War and it's about time someone other than us realized it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (SjImc)

295 Mr. Goldberg has gone off the rails.

Posted by: Ozzy at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (r9UYA)

296 Because....goddamn turtles are dying from getting straws stuck in their noses.

***************************

I knew it was time to get off Facebook when a stupid fuck of a waste of flesh shared a post about a charity drive for us to turn in our plastic straws to save the planet. And no it's not a joke.

I guess they're practicing for the day where we turn in our guns for peace.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (+dsLj)

297 So Jethro Tull is going to be the demise of us. I wonder what he thinks of Jethro Bodine?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (SiINZ)


Geoff Bodine gave NASCAR a Hell of a hit in popularity.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (fiGNd)

298 Tony Iommi was in Jethro Tull for a very brief time. There is video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXInbfGwhNQ

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (xPl2J)

299 Thick. As A Brick.

Posted by: t-bird at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (9tO1t)

300
So Jethro Tull is going to be the demise of us. I wonder what he thinks of Jethro Bodine?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (SiINZ)

You can't talk about Jethro Bodine without getting in trouble...

He is a Double Nought Spy after all...

Posted by: Scooter Libbyyyyy at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (NgKpN)

301 My guess is Jonah is secluded in his bedroom listening to Barbara Streisand Show Tunes and fapping.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (vV/gB)

302 I wouldn't care if Trump banned all media, with the possible exception of Fox, from pressers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (FJXGr)

303 Has anyone told Jonah that the song isn't "Let's Spend Some Time Together," but rather "Let's Spend The Night Together"? I'm not sure if we have a fainting couch handy....

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (rznWS)




Ed Sullivan: On my shew it was Spend Some Time Together.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (SiINZ)

304 Modern-ish heir is the Pogues.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 07:58 PM (fuK7c)


There's a lot of great Celtic music out there!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (n9EOP)

305 I think Dave Mustaine is a non Lefty.

Am I remembering correctly?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (2DOZq)

306 A blues with Jethro Tull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBunD9pis6E

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM (yQpMk)

307 I'm watching a Yankee game, good old American baseball
I'm talking to you good people
I'm drinking a coke
Eating microwaved left overs with a ton of butter

Life is good

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (SjImc)

308 So Jethro Tull is going to be the demise of us. I wonder what he thinks of Jethro Bodine?

I think it's A. J. Foyt who causes him great concern.

Posted by: t-bird at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (9tO1t)

309 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaALawfWlgo
(21 secs)

Posted by: jonah at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (VBKy9)

310 But if you get it in on demand and fast forward through all the claptrap you do get to see the song develop. It started out almost folky and ended up a samba.

I even did math in my head, Mick was 25 at the time and at the top of his game.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (fuK7c)

I think I saw that part on YouTube the other night.

Poor Brian Jones was banished to a cubby and Bill Wyman played congas. Keith was on bass.

Just checked. That was it.

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (If3tB)

311 It is kind of funny how Bob Dylan, who was a major
figure in 60s and 70s rock music, has turned to old standards in recent
years, covering many songs that Frank Sinatra once sang. Uncle Bob has
always kept his fans on their toes.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 07:51 PM (sdi6R)

A lot of those guys and gals have turned to the standards. Rod Stewart does them. And Seth MacFarlane - he has an awesome singing voice.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (0QYMt)

312
I think that the kids in Greta Van Fleet are going to save rock in 2018 (by sounding exactly like Zeppelin). But Robert Plant approves, so give them a listen
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at April 23, 2018 07:53 PM (Lxe59)






Baby Zeppelin rocks pretty hard, I enjoy the hell out of 'em. Yet I really don't see them saving Rock. I don't think anyone can.

Rock was dead once white teenage boys decided that culturally appropriating rap style would get them more pussy than being a rock singer.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (eXA4G)

313 Today, they would fire Bill Buckley.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (7ThJ3)

National Review was always William F. Buckley's grift; it never survived on advertising, and would go tits up without charity from donors and patrons. No one purged conservatives as eagerly and reliably as WFB, so he could be seen as acceptable by urban cosmopolitans.

Nothing has been so catastrophic for the traditional American middle class than the misguided reliance on a "conservative movement" that couldn't conserve the lady's room, or marriage between a man and a woman. It's just a Reagan Mystery Cult with a gift shop for the books, magazines, tv shows, and cruise cabins.

I'll cheer the day NR ceases publication.

Posted by: Monty James at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (95+Xk)

314 Which is older: Rock 'n Roll or Jonah's gimmicks?

Posted by: The Couch at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (xzV6l)

315 My guess is Jonah is secluded in his bedroom listening to Barbara Streisand Show Tunes and fapping.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:00 PM

Staring at his picture of Mitt Romney, hugging his pillow, sobbing uncontrollably listening to "The Way We Were" while sipping chamomile tea.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (EDSlc)

316 295 Mr. Goldberg has gone off the rails.
Posted by: Ozzy at April 23, 2018 07:59 PM (r9UYA)

His dick must have fallen off.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (Lh6Rk)

317 @270: "Just idly wondering what Goldberg thinks about that execrable Broadway show Hamilton."

Why in God's name do you want to know what his O-face looks like?

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (rznWS)

318 >>302 I wouldn't care if Trump banned all media, with the possible exception of Fox, from pressers.

Screw FOX. He should put out a daily Press Release on a piece of paper. It should say FUCK YOU

Posted by: Ozzy at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (r9UYA)

319 Jonah's mad that accordion never got him tail in high school.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (oVJmc)

320 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNEj5FUHStE

Rock and Roll is here to Stay

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (SjImc)

321 @ Grump928(C)

Thanks for the Relayer review. One of my favorites.

Posted by: marcus gravey at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (T8/UU)

322 Rock hit or hit by a rock star? Because Kid Rock has had some good ones.

Perhaps a Seether song like "Broken", but that's definitely their equivalent of a hair metal ballad.

So maybe I guess Jet with "Are you gonna be my girl"

Posted by: buzzion at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (lKs2v)

323 I wouldn't care if Trump banned all media, with the possible exception of Fox, from pressers.

I would like Trump to start his own media empire. The market will be YUGE.

Posted by: t-bird at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (9tO1t)

324 Is he supposed to be a serious deep thinker? Does Jonah wear diapers?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (o7tuA)

325 I think the problem with rock and roll from a corporate globohomo perspective is that it's easier to take a comely dipshit girl and auto-tune her voice over synth pop, build her up and then dispose of her than it is to farm out an actual rock n roll band where you need talent.

On one hand spotify learned that rock is still number one.

but on the hand, concert goers seem to include only boomers and 12 year old girls.

Us gen-xers will rock out with our cock out but for some reason our bands don't do stadiums but rather music festivals. 10 bands for the price of 2 glasses of beer. Who knows.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (Kuhyt)

326 Tull was in a movie (or maybe a TV show at the time, maybe 196 by the Stones called something like, Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus. Just awful. Anyhoo, Tull gave a great performance while everyone else associated seemed to be high on drugs and stunk up the joint. Mick got pissed.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (+Tibp)

327 The Hip Hop scene should be RICO'ed for drug and human trafficking. It's how it funds itself on the local and regional level.

Posted by: Monk at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (J567a)

328 I say, is that cloud mocking me?
I do believe I shall yell at it!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (9Hjhc)

329 Which would you rather listen to. Jethro Tull or Joan Goldberg?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (EDSlc)

330 "If you're looking for consistent rational philosophy from Tull, you are going to be sorely disappointed. Tull had some good music but the lyrics to most of it was just God-awful. "

It seems the primary threads in Ian Anderson's music are: "I love being British", "women are incredible fun", "I'm a musician", and "I'm ignorant about anything outside music".

And yet I like it. And I even saw them live for "Roots to Branches", and saw them play "Fat Man" -- and none of them were playing their usual instrument. Impressive, at least to this non-musician.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 08:04 PM (fVubI)

331 Because of my deeply humanitarian nature, I would piss on a NeverTrumper, but only if he/she/it was, in fact, on fire.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at April 23, 2018 08:04 PM (Mbmmf)

332 Now me, I want to see Donald Trump enter a room for a speech, with the full Five Services color guard preceding him and the Marine Band following playing "Hail to the Chief" in a full funk version; with the Donald wearing aviator sunglasses, a fur coat, and more gold chains than Fort Knox.


Because right then, I think the last of the NeverTrumpers will stroke out.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:04 PM (0QYMt)

333 10 My affection for the rock and roll is greatly diminishing, but that's only because I'm turning into an old fart.

I'm not real enthused about the rythym and blues, or delta blues, or any of the music that used to keep my booty engaged

Could you please use interpretive dance to illustrate what keeps your booty engaged? Speak slowly idyllic :-)

Posted by: BigZesty at April 23, 2018 08:04 PM (5hmvM)

334 Because of my deeply humanitarian nature, I would piss on a NeverTrumper, but only if he/she/it was, in fact, on fire.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at April 23, 2018 08:04 PM

Yea, but then they'd accuse you of being a Russian hooker.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (EDSlc)

335 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUjvkCykyZI

Or maybe you like this version better:
SHA NA NA

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (SjImc)

336 You ain't gonna get me to defend 'rock.'

99% of all pop music is garbage. Just utter shit musically, lyrically - especially lyrically.

Rock/pop is not art. It just adolescent drama with pretentions that has the luxury of masses that throw time and money down the shitter for fun.

Which is to say he's not wrong, but the larger question is :

WELL FUCKER, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (LNPd9)

337 Poor Brian Jones was banished to a cubby and Bill Wyman played congas. Keith was on bass.


Yup. Poor Brian had a year to live at that point, and it shows. And yeah, Wyman gave up. But you watch Mick and Keith and Charlie work it out, and Nicky Hopkins, for a while there was organ in there, and really any of the versions would have been excellent but they kept going til they found the version.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (fuK7c)

338 Anyone watch the Lawrence Welk show with their parents? I hated it though every once in a while there would be a hot chick .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (2DOZq)

339 "No one purged conservatives as eagerly and reliably as WFB, so he could be seen as acceptable by urban cosmopolitans."

Posted by: Monty James at April 23, 2018 08:01 PM (95+Xk)

That's because I was gay.

Posted by: WFB at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (xzV6l)

340 as for rock's relevance, a whole lot more meaning in my songs than in rap or glam teen pop.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (Kuhyt)

341 The reason Rock died was raising the drinking age to 21. When they did that it killed all venues for rock bands to earn their chops and discover their sound. By the early 80s the rock format was so atomized and niche that it was really hard to be original. Then there was the fact that the only way to make money now is via touring. Records sales pay like shit.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (vV/gB)

342 >>334 Because of my deeply humanitarian nature, I would piss on a NeverTrumper, but only if he/she/it was, in fact, on fire.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us

You are a better person than I.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (r9UYA)

343 Because....goddamn turtles are dying from getting straws stuck in their noses.

It's a tragedy!!! We have to DO something!!!

Posted by: Snowflake Ukuleles at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (Tyii7)

344
281 "Wait.... Jethro isn't a real person? uyhhhh... "

Well, there really was a Jethro Tull -- he invented some farming implement called a seed drill.

The band by that name, however, had been changing names on a weekly basis so they could get gigs, and the one week they managed to get noticed, their name happened to be "Jethro Tull". Or, as initially translated into American, "Jethro Toe".
Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 07:57 PM (fVubI)

Who knew? I thought he was a character from a Dickens novel

Posted by: Northernlurker at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (sILsL)

345 Which would you rather listen to. Jethro Tull or Joan Goldberg?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (EDSlc)

Jethro Tull would be fascinating as he described how he developed the seed drill.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (0QYMt)

346 Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world
So there was only one thing that I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long

Posted by: Ministry at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (3JQ/p)

347 We Built This Gated Community On Rock and Roll!

Posted by: Jonah Geldberg at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (Ndje9)

348 I have three millennial children. None listen to anything I would call rock and roll. Seems to be a lot of folk stuff.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (+Tibp)

349 281 "Wait.... Jethro isn't a real person? uyhhhh... "

Well, there really was a Jethro Tull -- he invented some farming implement called a seed drill.

The band by that name, however, had been changing names on a weekly basis so they could get gigs, and the one week they managed to get noticed, their name happened to be "Jethro Tull".
Posted by: Rob Crawford


As a linguist, I know something about the derivation of the "Jethro Tull" band name that perhaps almost no one else knows:

First of all, as noted above the group themselves didn't even come up with the name -- it was just a joke name concocted by a booking agent:

"Band names [in 1960s London gritty pubs] were often supplied by their booking agents' staff, one of whom, a history enthusiast, eventually christened them "Jethro Tull" after the 18th-century agriculturist. The name stuck because they happened to be using it the first time a club manager liked their show enough to invite them to return."

But here's the really funny thing: The "agriculturalist" Jethro Tull invented a "horse-drawn seed-drill" -- basically the foundation of mass agriculture. But before his invention, an individual "seed drill" also had a more rustic name, based on the sound it made as it was pulled out of the wet mud after making the hole for the seed: a "fucking stick." And some linguists think that the word "fuck" was actually derived from the sound that seed drills made as they went "fwuck as peasants went along "fucking" the soil. The new meaning was obviously closely related to depositing seed in a different kind of wet hole.

So, back to the beginning of the story, "Jethro Tull" ends up being one of those double-ententre wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of names (like "Lovin' Spoonful') that only insiders know is a sexual reference.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (42M22)

350 Who knew? I thought he was a character from a Dickens novel



Posted by: Northernlurker at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (sILsL)

That was Uriah Heep.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (0QYMt)

351 everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 07:39 PM (MTjB1)

Nine inch nails.

Pantera.

Screeching weasel.

Cake.

Guttermouth.

That's five off the top of my head, and there were many more.

2000-now, on the other hand, is a damned wasteland. My theory is that John Mayer and Coldplay castrated music and tossed its balls into a super-gay volcano.

Posted by: The Paolo at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (UiRxW)

352 319 Jonah's mad that accordion never got him tail in high school.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (oVJmc)

Word. He should have gone with castenettes.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (o7tuA)

353
MAGA. America has ALWAYS been great.

Now it's matter of allowing that greatness to shine through again.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (S/hVx)

354 A blues with Jethro Tull

--

Man, that was good, right up to the point where they started singing.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (roQNm)

355 Tull was in a movie (or maybe a TV show at the time, maybe 196 by the Stones called something like, Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus. Just awful. Anyhoo, Tull gave a great performance while everyone else associated seemed to be high on drugs and stunk up the joint. Mick got pissed.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (+Tibp)



The Who had a good performance too. But what was anyone thinking of letting Yoko caterwaul and at one point I think she got into a sack and started to roll around the stage. Whatever drugs Lennon was on to be with her should be banned forever

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (SiINZ)

356 everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares.

******************

We wanted it that way.

Posted by: Backstreet Boys at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (+dsLj)

357 Where does Flash Cadillac fit into this?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (yQpMk)

358 348 I have three millennial children. None listen to anything I would call rock and roll. Seems to be a lot of folk stuff.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (+Tibp)



So Mumford and Sons.

Posted by: buzzion at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (lKs2v)

359 I think Dave Mustaine is a non Lefty."

complete sad trombone lefty when he writes his lyrics. our wars and greed are going to destroy the world you know, not the rest of the world that sucks and needs to catch up with us

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (Kuhyt)

360 We Built This Gated Community On Rock and Roll!
Posted by: Jonah Geldberg at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM

Thanks for the ear worm ya bastard! I think that song was voted as one of the worst songs of all time.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (EDSlc)

361 Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:03 PM (Kuhyt)

Music videos hurt the genre. Look at some of the early videos and the musicians are homely at best. Plus virtually none of them are teens. They're people who have put in the time and effort. Rap, hip-hop, and auto-tune moved everything to idiots looking good on the screen.

Posted by: WOPR at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (J70i0)

362 "Ian Anderson was the best rock n roll flautist, in part because I think he was the only one. "

Nah. There was one who did some studio work, I heard him on some Mark Knopfler song.

Then there was Brock Skywalker with Captain Tractor out of Canada...

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (fVubI)

363 Besides,

This whole essay looks suspiciously like Alan Bloom's from like 35 years ago.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (LNPd9)

364 Man, that was good, right up to the point where they started singing.


Nice harp though.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (yQpMk)

365 everything from the 1990s was worthless so who cares."

--- you know how I know you're gay?

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (Kuhyt)

366 So maybe I guess Jet with "Are you gonna be my girl"
Posted by: buzzion at April 23, 2018 08:02 PM (lKs2v)

One of my favorites.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (2DOZq)

367 Hmm, for me, the last "rock" song that I liked was "R U Mine?" by Arctic Monkeys in 2012 -- mostly because it really recalled old-school hard-rock/metal:


Also because it has some funny retro lyric references.

But aside from that, I'd have to go back to abut 2006-8 for any songs worth a second listen.


Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2018 07:49 PM


Yeah, Arctic Monkeys are pretty good.



Try this Zombie...


https://youtu.be/7PqaDl2nr88


https://youtu.be/jhZXW2gGH0w


Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (7xR2D)

368 This was my 2016 shitposting Go To War song, "Wash It All Away", by Five Finger Death Punch.

I've given up
On society
Up on my family
Up on your social disease
I've given up
On the industry
Up on democracy
Done with all your hypocrisy
All of the chaos
And all of the lies
I hate it

I'm wasting here
Can anyone wash it all away?
I'm waiting here
For anyone to wash it all away
Wash it all away

I've given up
On the media
Feeds my hysteria
Sick of living down on my knees
I've given up
On morality
Feeds my brutality
Fuck what you think about me
All of the chaos
And all of the lies
I hate it

I'm wasting here
Can anyone wash it all away
I'm waiting here
For anyone to wash it all away
Wash it all away

I won't change for you
And I can't take the pain
There's nothing you can do
And there's nothing you can say

I've given up
On everything
Up on everything
Up on everything

I'm wasting here
Can anyone wash it all away?
I'm waiting here
For anyone to wash it all away
Wash it all away
I'm wasting here
With everyone just wash it all away
I'm waiting here
For anyone to wash it all away
Wash it all away
Wash it all away

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 23, 2018 08:08 PM (2kD+f)

369 Monty James 8:01... Excellent points all around, there!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (wSC8T)

370 My affection for the rock and roll is greatly diminishing, but that's only because I'm turning into an old fart.

I'm not real enthused about the rythym and blues, or delta blues, or any of the music that used to keep my booty engaged

Could you please use interpretive dance to illustrate what keeps your booty engaged? Speak slowly idyllic :-)
Posted by: BigZesty at April 23, 2018 08:04 PM (5hmvM)

YouTube has re-enthused me.

Santana at Tanglewood.

Traffic at Santa Monica.

Allman Brothers at Love Valley. Skydog playing Mountain Jam.

ZZ Top had even made a comeback, even with their 3 pieces.

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (If3tB)

371 Hit the on ramp, merge, put on Sirius, listen to the Immigrant Song. Offer license, registration, and proof of insurance to the nice officer. Nice officer notes Vietnam Veteran license plate, gives verbal warning. 70 mph means 70 mph.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (xzqr4)

372 >>>Anyone watch the Lawrence Welk show with their parents?


It was my grandparents, and while they adored the show, I couldn't stand it, even as a little kid with undeveloped musical tastes. However, they also watched Hee Haw, which had some amazing performers on there. I really enjoyed watching that.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (ppaKI)

373 So, back to the beginning of the story, "Jethro Tull" ends up being one of those double-ententre wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of names (like "Lovin' Spoonful') that only insiders know is a sexual reference.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (42M22)

Fascinating...and Loving Spoonful? Please? Blow?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (o7tuA)

374 I hear the van in Toronto was a full automatic. F*ck the CAA.

-
Looks like this was another known wolf attack.

Breaking: Van Strikes Pedestrians In Toronto, Killing 9, Driver ID'd As Alek Minassian . . . UPDATE: Bill Bratton Said Known To Police, Terror Suspect

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (+y/Ru)

375 Because of my deeply humanitarian nature, I would piss on a NeverTrumper, but only if he/she/it was, in fact, on fire.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at April 23, 2018 08:04 PM


How can you call yourself humanitarian when you only recognize 3 of the 67 (and growing!) number of pronouns, H8r?

Posted by: Desiree Cloggenstein of Brattleboro, VT at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (kUCyD)

376 The Cowsills really move me.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (r9UYA)

377 So Mumford and Sons.
Posted by: buzzion

Exactly! And I think the Lumineers and Parker Milsap. Stuff like that.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (+Tibp)

378

Jonah Goldberg: I Don't Love Rock n Roll


So, he won't be putting another dime in the jukebox baby?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (GdWl+)

379 Music videos hurt the genre. Look at some of the early videos and the musicians are homely at best. Plus virtually none of them are teens. They're people who have put in the time and effort. Rap, hip-hop, and auto-tune moved everything to idiots looking good on the screen."

----there are good looking rockers and rockers who rocked so hard it didn't matter how they looked.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (Kuhyt)

380 Actually I got really into Nightwish, but then they sacked their second lead singer, Annette Olzon, and brought in Floor Jansen who does NOT impress me at all.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (2kD+f)

381 Speaking of Sympathy for the Devil, there is a Jean-Luc Godard movie of the same name from 1968.

It intercuts the Stones developing that song in the studio with Marxist diatribes, Black Panther rants, and stupid sixties performance schtick. It is ineffably bad. It can not be abided.

But if you get it in on demand and fast forward through all the claptrap you do get to see the song develop. It started out almost folky and ended up a samba.

I even did math in my head, Mick was 25 at the time and at the top of his game.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 07:41 PM (fuK7c)



The commie shit made me want to kill someone. They could have cut 2/3 of the "movie" out and just showed them working on the song

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (SiINZ)

382 What did they do when Kevin Bacon showed up and taught people to dance?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 23, 2018 07:48 PM (Dp6qK)

Heh, guys in Pooky's unit called it "Footloose Town" but there is a form of dancing that we were allowed to practice: Dutch clog-dancing.

Posted by: pookysgirl at April 23, 2018 08:11 PM (XKZwp)

383 Poor Jonah.

I remember when he used to be geeky and funny.

Now he's just uncool.

Oh and Rock and Roll, the music, isn't the problem.

The problem is sex is god.

One of the things Rock and Roll sings about is extra-marital sex, true. But that's not all it sings about.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:11 PM (xJa6I)

384
Where does Flash Cadillac fit into this?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (yQpMk)



He's duking it out with Ming the Mercedes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:11 PM (SiINZ)

385 "Rock hit or hit by a rock star? Because Kid Rock has had some good ones"


When USS Cole left Aden after the suicide attack, the crew lined the rails and had "Cowboy" by Kid Rock played.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:11 PM (0QYMt)

386 WELL FUCKER, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 08:05 PM (LNPd9)

Most 'pop' is usually thought of as horrible by the older set- no matter what time you live in. I will say though that we seem to have gone off the cliff both lyrically and in terms of melody.


Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 08:11 PM (sCUYC)

387 I'm too old to rock and roll but I'm too young to die.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2018 08:11 PM (IqV8l)

388 So Mumford and Sons.
Posted by: buzzion

Exactly! And I think the Lumineers"

----------well, most milenial music is sort of ... not sappy ... but like being a teenager stuck in your house on a rainy sunday and mommmmm wouldn't let you use the internet.

I think old-timey millenial music is actually an unconscious grasp by the forgotten legacy americans who are now the hated white plurality to grab on to their heritage.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (Kuhyt)

389 Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (ppaKI)

Yeah Roy Clark one of the top guitarist ever IMHO.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

390 I have never been in Cleveland.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (r9UYA)

391 When Jonah isn't writing masterworks covering all aspects of Western Civilization, he spends his free time hamboning in his den.

Posted by: Fritz at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (J7XgW)

392 "We're Flash Cadillac and rock and roll is whatever we say it is."

Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (/A+Cl)

393 "Footloose... kick off your Sunday shoes" Was what they were singing after they came somersaulting through my church doors. And then I choked a bitch....err, I mean a female dog, not a dog per se, but one that just happened to be my daughter. And this guy...I think was Kevin Bacon or something.

Mother was not happy.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (k5hWy)

394 Okay, so this one time at band camp I stuck my flute up my poop-chute.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (9Hjhc)

395 >>>The commie shit made me want to kill someone. They could have cut 2/3 of the "movie" out and just showed them working on the song


How about the bait n switch in the movie The Killing Fields? Two hours of communist horror ended with John Lennon's "Imagine", a song that basically mirrored the Khmer Rouge's philosophy?

Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (ppaKI)

396 373 So, back to the beginning of the story, "Jethro Tull" ends up being one of those double-ententre wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of names (like "Lovin' Spoonful') that only insiders know is a sexual reference.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (42M22)

Fascinating...and Loving Spoonful? Please? Blow?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:09 PM (o7tuA)

The average male ejaculate fills about a teaspoon.
Unless you're Peter North.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (xJa6I)

397 weft cut-loop, kind of like how Goldberg's 'Liberal Fascism' repackaged Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (6FqZa)

398


You see, hip hop gets a pass, because black people.

The micro-analysis that goes on about that filth is mind-boggling.

Just keepin it real. Yes, we all need to know how fucked up it is in the inner cities, we must know, we must be told what we as white people created.

Fuck that, I'm going to listen to some Dead.



Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (AASEZ)

399 >>Yeah Roy Clark one of the top guitarist ever IMHO.

That sumbitch can play like 85 instruments.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (r9UYA)

400 knew? I thought he was a character from a Dickens novel



Posted by: Northernlurker at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (sILsL)

That was Uriah Heep.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (0QYMt)

I always confuse the two

Posted by: Northernlurker at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (sILsL)

401 I actually saw Flash Cadillac & tCK in the 70s with ShaNaNa.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (yQpMk)

402 269 ScoggDog
Ahem.

Good night all.

Work those Plan Bs. We may need them. And remember -- OPSEC, OPSEC, OPSEC.

Head on a swivel and have a SECDEF Mattis plan.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (hyuyC)

403 Go Ask Lucianne.

Posted by: Jonah Geldberg at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (Ndje9)

404
There are a lot of garbage lyrics in rock songs.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (WJpCY)

405 @370: "Traffic at Santa Monica."

I live there; traffic here sucks.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (rznWS)

406 360 We Built This Gated Community On Rock and Roll!
Posted by: Jonah Geldberg at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM

Thanks for the ear worm ya bastard! I think that song was voted as one of the worst songs of all time.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (EDSlc)


Yeah, I think that could be said to be the point where rock music jumped the shark.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (sdi6R)

407 Anyone watch Lawrence Welk with their parents.---


---Yes, I am that old.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (roQNm)

408 like how millenials watch Mad Men don't realize they're longing for an America that was promised to us but their boomer parents pissed away through virtue signal immigration policies coupled with AA policies that made them unemployable...but hey thanks for the $100K in student loans.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (Kuhyt)

409

What's that song by Black Sabbath?

Mr Crowley??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 23, 2018 08:14 PM (WJpCY)

410 Ask...

he commie shit made me want to kill someone. They could have cut 2/3 of the "movie" out and just showed them working on the song
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (SiINZ)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2D9v50IOE&t=2347s

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:14 PM (If3tB)

411 I am clearly no paragon of virtue, actually a hypocrite in many ways, and a miserable fallen sinner at best. But I tell you plainly as a matter of strict fact that a majority of young folks today have no religious training and therefore no moral compass. They've no idea what 'truth' is and tend to believe any charlatan who is packaged in an attractive outfit.

Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2018 08:14 PM (zLDYs)

412 I think old-timey millenial music is actually an unconscious grasp by the forgotten legacy americans who are now the hated white plurality to grab on to their heritage.
Posted by: Kuhyt

I can see that because they also like the old Sinatra standards and not in an ironic way. They like it.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:15 PM (+Tibp)

413 MTV cunt merchandising killed music.

Posted by: gNewt at April 23, 2018 08:15 PM (1me8P)

414 Where does Flash Cadillac fit into this?



Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (yQpMk)







He's duking it out with Ming the Mercedes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:11 PM (SiINZ)

*golf clap*
Most excellent.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:15 PM (0QYMt)

415 "Traffic at Santa Monica."

I live there; traffic here sucks.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (rznWS)

Heh.

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:15 PM (If3tB)

416 I am clearly no paragon of virtue, actually a hypocrite in many ways, and a miserable fallen sinner at best. But I tell you plainly as a matter of strict fact that a majority of young folks today have no religious training and therefore no moral compass. They've no idea what 'truth' is and tend to believe any charlatan who is packaged in an attractive outfit."

"excellent", said Soros and ISIS

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:15 PM (Kuhyt)

417 I'm a classic rock guy in my marrow, but other than the odd new old discovery it's basically just romping around in my past and remembering the old feelings.

For the last year or more my driving music (and I drive a lot) has been the Real Jazz channel on XM. It's a lot of stuff I sort of knew, but I wasn't really a jazz guy, so I hadn't paid attention. They go through all the eras and all the genres and sometimes have shows where people talk about things and it's a jazz education.

Turns out that I like the classic jazz era, which I'll call the 50s to mid-60s. Miles, Coltrane, Ellington, Brubeck.

It's fun to find new things to explore, like when I ran out of American cinema and started paying attention to the Japanese.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 08:15 PM (fuK7c)

418 What's that song by Black Sabbath?

Mr Crowley??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter

Mr. Crowley was solo Ozzy.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at April 23, 2018 08:16 PM (9Hjhc)

419 @372: " However, they also watched Hee Haw, which had some amazing performers on there. I really enjoyed watching that."

The bangtail on Hee Haw was pretty amazing, too. Well, Lulu Roman and Minne Pearl excluded....

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 08:16 PM (rznWS)

420 Go Ask Lucianne.

Posted by: Jonah Geldberg at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (Ndje9)



When she's 10 feet
And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:16 PM (SiINZ)

421 409. In fairness, that - like a lot of Sabbath - is really electric opera. Warpigs could be an aria, FFS.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 08:16 PM (fA1SL)

422 348 I have three millennial children. None listen to anything I would call rock and roll. Seems to be a lot of folk stuff.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:06 PM (+Tibp)
---

So Mumford and Sons.

---

Exactly! And I think the Lumineers and Parker Milsap. Stuff like that.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (+Tibp)

---

You could probably fix this with military school or something

Posted by: The Paolo at April 23, 2018 08:16 PM (UiRxW)

423
The average male ejaculate fills about a teaspoon.
Unless you're Peter North.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (xJa6I)

Oh come on. its like a quart. But Lovin' Quart didn't work. Thats the real story.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (o7tuA)

424 My son, 17, loves rock n roll. I tease him that he is listening to all the bands that I liked in the early 70s. He will recite Rolling Stones stories about songs. Loves Lead Zeppelin and has recorded his own album. The problem he has is there is no place to play as a band anymore.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (vV/gB)

425 399
>>Yeah Roy Clark one of the top guitarist ever IMHO.



That sumbitch can play like 85 instruments.



Posted by: Under Fire at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (r9UYA)

Him, Buck Owens, Glen Campbell - man those guys could play.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (0QYMt)

426 Exactly! And I think the Lumineers and Parker Milsap. Stuff like that.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:10 PM (+Tibp)

---

You could probably fix this with military school or something"

----and to think back in the late 90's, I thought Billy Corgan had turned into too much of a pussy

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (Kuhyt)

427 The commie shit made me want to kill someone. They could have cut 2/3 of the "movie" out and just showed them working on the song

It's intolerable. He even has some commie shit narration over some of the studio footage.

I would watch a two hour documentary about the song itself.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (fuK7c)

428 @379: "----there are good looking rockers and rockers who rocked so hard it didn't matter how they looked."

And then there's Shane MacGowan - the many of many words and few teeth.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (rznWS)

429 First concert I ever attended was Flash Cadillac and the Continental Kids.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (0tfLf)

430 Dave Mustaine is not a lefty. He's solid right of center. Had his James Woods moments on Twitter when the JEF was in office.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (eZowF)

431 there once was an 'ette who's husband was actually in the band Flash Cadillac & the Continental Kids; actually appeared n American Graffiti

g'early evenin, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (KCxzN)

432 I try to tell my kids about what I'd consider really good, meaningful, ballsy rock and roll.

Then I realize most of this stuff is 40 years old. Do you remember your folks telling you about Guy Lombardo?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (+Tibp)

433 I've always been partial to the simple things:

https://tinyurl.com/ycudrrmx

Posted by: Tuna at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (jm1YL)

434 Oh, by the way: Stryper has a new single out.
It slays and rocks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (xJa6I)

435 Sorry, didn't read the comments, but:

Has anybody pointed out that there hasn't been a music genre of "rock n roll" since the 1950's?

There's been pop, rock, and a kaleidoscope of sub-genres underneath those basic banners since, oh, say, 1964.

Get off Jonah Goldberg's Lawn, I guess.

Posted by: filbert at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (953wK)

436 183 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 07:44 PM (7ThJ3)

Possibly, I wonder what precisely Bill Buckley "conserved?"

I think his running off the Birchers is what doomed America.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (SzZnW)

437 This death of RnR could have been caused by Helicopter Parents. Constant hovering can retard a kid.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (vV/gB)

438 401 I actually saw Flash Cadillac & tCK in the 70s with ShaNaNa.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2018 08:13 PM (yQpMk)


Awesome, Grump! Mr. Bassman, who never posts here but does attend MoMees, is their bass player.

Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (/A+Cl)

439 My son, 17, loves rock n roll. I tease him that he is listening to all the bands that I liked in the early 70s. He will recite Rolling Stones stories about songs. Loves Lead Zeppelin and has recorded his own album. The problem he has is there is no place to play as a band anymore."

that's great that he's doing it though.

I realize that millenials, who are retards, make music the new way because they are cut off from the real world, making real music with real instruments, on the other hand, is good.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (Kuhyt)

440 Jonah, his momma don't dance and his daddy don't rock-n-roll

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (cIhy+)

441 Thanks for the ear worm ya bastard! I think that song was voted as one of the worst songs of all time.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (EDSlc)

"Knee deep in the hoopla" indeed.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (MX7xj)

442

Mr. Crowley was solo Ozzy.

What's it about?

(And don't say "it's about a guy named Mr Crowley")

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (WJpCY)

443 Really Don't Mind if I Sit This One Out

Posted by: Pete Seria at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (2WfB0)

444 "I think old-timey millenial music is actually an unconscious grasp by the forgotten legacy americans who are now the hated white plurality to grab on to their heritage. "

Ever heard "Postmodern Jukebox"? They cover modern hits in styles from the early to middle 20th century. They have two or three versions of "All About the Bass" as a 40s nightclub song, all sung by gorgeous young women. Only way that song's tolerable.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (fVubI)

445 Him, Buck Owens, Glen Campbell - man those guys could play.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (0QYMt)

Yep. We jam all the time.

Posted by: Prince at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM (If3tB)

446 423
The average male ejaculate fills about a teaspoon.
Unless you're Peter North.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:12 PM (xJa6I)

Oh come on. its like a quart. But Lovin' Quart didn't work. Thats the real story.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (o7tuA)

A quart?

Bob, whatever you're doing? Keep doing it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (xJa6I)

447
So Mumford and Sons.

Lizabeth! I'm comin' to join you, honey.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (IqV8l)

448 Sitting on a parkbench
Eyeing Vince Foster's
body being moved
with bad intent

Posted by: Jonah Geldberg at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (Ndje9)

449 Roy Clark was one of the Wrecking Crew guys or am I confusing him with someone else?

Posted by: Big V at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (ZvLtE)

450 @385: "When USS Cole left Aden after the suicide attack, the crew lined the rails and had "Cowboy" by Kid Rock played."

When the HMS Sheffield got deep-sixed in the Falklands, the survivors sang "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life."

Posted by: FaCubeItches at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (rznWS)

451 there once was an 'ette who's husband was actually in the band Flash Cadillac & the Continental Kids; actually appeared n American Graffiti

g'early evenin, 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (KCxzN)


That 'ette still abides.

Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (/A+Cl)

452 Thanks for the ear worm ya bastard! I think that song was voted as one of the worst songs of all time.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:07 PM (EDSlc)

"Knee deep in the hoopla" indeed.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 23, 2018 08:18 PM

And we can build this dream together, standing strong forever,,,,click, boom, boom, boom...Radio's hate 357 rounds.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (EDSlc)

453 430 Dave Mustaine is not a lefty. He's solid right of center. Had his James Woods moments on Twitter when the JEF was in office.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (eZowF)

That's what I recalled. I think that genre of rock has more than a few what I call, non-Lefties.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 08:20 PM (2DOZq)

454 The only thing I can listen to any more is Tedeschi Trucks Band and Govt. Mule.

Posted by: gobagoo at April 23, 2018 08:20 PM (2Ia/C)

455 What's it about?

(And don't say "it's about a guy named Mr Crowley")
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter

Allister Crowley

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at April 23, 2018 08:20 PM (9Hjhc)

456 Just put on Dylan's "Triplicate". A sampler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2yidZrO2E

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 08:20 PM (sdi6R)

457 His daughter is probably smitten with a guitarist...

Posted by: Not Louis B. Mayer at April 23, 2018 08:21 PM (Y0Ohw)

458 Jethro Tull the seed driller?

Good thing Jethro Tull didn't get noticed the night they went by "insemnination via latex fist shoved up the cow".

Aka the "Pink Floyd"

Posted by: wooga at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (lgrR2)

459 Joanuh.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (EDSlc)

460 I really do enjoy Lucianne.com though. Much better than Drudge. News stories updated frequently.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (2DOZq)

461 My son, 17, loves rock n roll. I tease him that he is listening to all the bands that I liked in the early 70s. He will recite Rolling Stones stories about songs. Loves Lead Zeppelin and has recorded his own album. The problem he has is there is no place to play as a band anymore.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM


my son will be 14 in a couple of weeks & is the world's foremost 13 year old authority on Led Zeppelin...he can't stand the current music...he listens to & plays LZ, Pink Floyd, & Rush

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (KCxzN)

462 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2D9v50IOE&t=2347s

Posted by: golfman at April 23



Oh awesome, thanks!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (fuK7c)

463 The only thing I can listen to any more is Tedeschi Trucks Band and Govt. Mule.
Posted by: gobagoo at April 23, 2018 08:20 PM (2Ia/C)

Wha. No Jimmy Herring love?

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (If3tB)

464 Goldberg likes Kristol yodeling on his meat flute.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (r9UYA)

465 455 What's it about?

(And don't say "it's about a guy named Mr Crowley")
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter

Allister Crowley
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at April 23, 2018 08:20 PM (9Hjhc)

Barbara Bush's dad.

Posted by: Monk at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (J567a)

466 A quart?

Bob, whatever you're doing? Keep doing it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (xJa6I)

Lol! Well Ok i may have spilled some tequila too. But its at least a pint or an once!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:22 PM (o7tuA)

467 I mean, I can see how we can be wrong, and it's like my parents playing englebert humperfink, but there's always been the split between music tastes:

1 country
2 rock
3 top 40 hits
4 R&B
5. now rap n shit.

so, I only listen to rock but I know even back in the day, there were other things floating around.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (Kuhyt)

468
In fairness, that - like a lot of Sabbath - is really electric opera. Warpigs could be an aria, FFS.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 08:16 PM (fA1SL)







I dunno about an aria. Whenever I think of War Pigs, I think of when I went to Ozzfest at Glen Helen Amphitheater in San Bernardino back around '02. The terrifying roar of 60,000 toothless meth addicts singing along with Ozzy.

Singing BETTER than Ozzy.

Frickin' awesome.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (eXA4G)

469 457. Ahem. His wife's daughter, you mean.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (fA1SL)

470 I love Rock N Roll
I really love Jethro Tull

I wish for the days when Jonah Goldberg was just a dribble down his father's thigh

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (3Pma+)

471 Jonah has jumped more than one shark lately. Don't know what happened to the boy, but I think he got mixed up with crazy Silicon Valley Thought Leaders. Where else did NR get all that money and lose all their real talent?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (vV/gB)

472
Stevie Ray Vaughan. Nuff said.

*sniffs*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (r+sAi)

473 WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE STUFF MORE COCKS UP MY ASS!!!

Posted by: Erick Erickson at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (2kmkW)

474 Singing BETTER than Ozzy.

Frickin' awesome.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (eXA4G)

But with the same head bob.

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (If3tB)

475
>>>Singing BETTER than Ozzy.


Most 12 year old Beagles sing better than Ozzy

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (3Pma+)

476 So did anyone read it and agree with jonah?

Posted by: Prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (z3nSX)

477 Roy Clark was one of the Wrecking Crew guys or am I confusing him with someone else?
Posted by: Big V at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (ZvLtE)


Glenn Campbell.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (fiGNd)

478 At this point I think Jonah, the Cruise Director, Max Boot et.al. are just trollling for the clicks. While they may be idiots, they're smart enough to realize that a whooole bunch of their former readers really couldn't give a shit what they have to say.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (57plp)

479 Roy Clark was one of the Wrecking Crew guys or am I confusing him with someone else?

Posted by: Big V at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM


not sure about Roy Clark in the Wrecking Crew; I know Glen Campbell was in the crew

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (KCxzN)

480 On facebutt, the Hoover institute interviewed George Will. I decided to read through the comments. The negative response was -volcanic-. I don't think anyone could be denounced more strenuously.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (rnAwa)

481 Mr. Crowley was solo Ozzy.

What's it about?



Alfie
Is it just for the moment we live?
What's it all about when you sort it out, Alfie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (SiINZ)

482 WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE STUFF MORE COCKS UP MY ASS!!!
Posted by: Erick Erickson at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (2kmkW

Well that was timely.

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (If3tB)

483 I'm kinda jealous though, I've worn out my nuerons on Led Zepplin and Pauls Boutique and a few other albums.

Because of a personal tragedy, I've had Dirt in constant rotation for a month now. It's amazing.

Of course, at the same time dirt came out, you could've been listening to Snow, Vince Gil, or En Vogue.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (Kuhyt)

484 so, I only listen to rock but I know even back in the day, there were other things floating around.
Posted by: Kuhyt

I know. The 70's were weird. The Carpenters, disco and the Ramones. Go figure.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (+Tibp)

485 473 WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE STUFF MORE COCKS UP MY ASS!!!
Posted by: Erick Erickson at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (2kmkW)

Come here, will flip for it

Posted by: Bill Kristol & David Frum at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (3Pma+)

486 Dream Theater & 80's Metal & 70's Metal & rock

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (y3aQB)

487 Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (Kuhyt)

You didn't like EH's After the Loving?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (2DOZq)

488 You know I once thought Jonah interesting and worth reading. Now he is like the Monkees after I turned 13.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (vV/gB)

489 Guess the last huuuge hit from my youth was Bon Jovi...livin on a prayer

Posted by: A dude in MI at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (CDETr)

490 Jonah has never been the same since the accident.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (UiRxW)

491 Nood noody tunes

Posted by: gNewt at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (1me8P)

492 Jonah has jumped more than one shark lately.

--

He is still drawing a paycheck so he is doing something right.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (roQNm)

493 469 457. Ahem. His wife's daughter, you mean.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (fA1SL)

Rough crowd. Funny... but rough!

Posted by: Not Louis B. Mayer at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (Y0Ohw)

494 Dave Mustaine and MD Train of Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G38VlmOib8&snsI =em

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (BYbUF)

495 This guy Jonah Goldberg is a real straitedge ain't he? Me? I prefer my music cutting edge and what was considered hardcore and alternative back in my day...like Cliffs of Dover or Happy Days Are Here Again.

Posted by: George Will at April 23, 2018 08:26 PM (k5hWy)

496 And for the record, this country rap crap sucks.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2018 08:26 PM (0tfLf)

497

I'm a classic rock guy in my marrow, but other than the odd new old discovery it's basically just romping around in my past and remembering the old feelings.

For the last year or more my driving music (and I drive a lot) has been the Real Jazz channel on XM. It's a lot of stuff I sort of knew, but I wasn't really a jazz guy, so I hadn't paid attention. They go through all the eras and all the genres and sometimes have shows where people talk about things and it's a jazz education.

Turns out that I like the classic jazz era, which I'll call the 50s to mid-60s. Miles, Coltrane, Ellington, Brubeck.


The local kollidge down here plays that straight-ahead jazz too. No commercials, but National Pubic Rode "news" every hour during the day, so there's 5 minutes of silence.

Good stuff. Can't get over their fascination with Billie Holliday, though. Drugged out and couldn't sing a proper song properly if her life depended on it.

She ain't the beginnings of a pimple on the ass of the Great Ella Fitzgerald. Now there's a fantastic jazz singer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 08:26 PM (GdWl+)

498 The word is the Wrecking Crew made The Byrds, Doors and a few other LA bands careers in the studio.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 23, 2018 08:26 PM (vV/gB)

499 Oh come on. its like a quart. But Lovin' Quart didn't work. Thats the real story.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 23, 2018 08:17 PM (o7tuA)

A quart?

Bob, whatever you're doing? Keep doing it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 08:19 PM (xJa6I)

The guy can fill an olympic swimming pool in minutes.

I know, I'll be in the barrel.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 23, 2018 08:27 PM (T71PA)

500 484 so, I only listen to rock but I know even back in the day, there were other things floating around.
Posted by: Kuhyt

I know. The 70's were weird. The Carpenters, disco and the Ramones. Go figure.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 00 at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (+Tibp)

I confess, I enjoy listening to the Carpenters and some Disco, with a little John Denver thrown in.
Karen Carpenter had a beautiful voice.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 08:27 PM (Lh6Rk)

501 Stevie Ray Vaughan. Nuff said.

*sniffs*
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 23, 2018 08:23 PM (r+sAi)

Eh. Very talented. But the longer you listen, the more he sounds like Clapton post 1988. Everything sounds the same.


*runs for cover

Posted by: golfman at April 23, 2018 08:27 PM (If3tB)

502 Goldberg argues that part of the trouble with modern life is the elevation of feelings over facts.
-------------------------
Golly.
What an original insight!

But if he's going to bring rock and roll into it, why specifically so? Why not sentimental pop? Why not primal hip-hop?

Hey! How about a column trashing black gospel music for failing to rationally analyze the implications of Arminian theology?




Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2018 08:27 PM (0jtPF)

503 aaarrrhhhhoooooo
Bark bark
Chirp chirp
Aaa roo a roo roo

Posted by: Snoopy and Woodstock at April 23, 2018 08:27 PM (z3nSX)

504
Guess the last huuuge hit from my youth was Bon Jovi...livin on a prayer
Posted by: A dude in MI at April 23, 2018 08:25 PM (CDETr)







Used to make the mistake of thinking that Bon Jovi was a decent band. Until I realized that they're something the record company cooked up in a lab. EVERY one of their big hits was written by Desmond Child.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 08:29 PM (eXA4G)

505 Were any of you guys at Woodstock? I was too young.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 08:29 PM (Lh6Rk)

506 "What's the last big true rock hit you can think of?" All the rock fans I know listen to the same old sh!t from 60s and 70s. Over and over and over and over again. They _insist_ on it, and go apesh!t if somebody tries to change the channel.

Couple years ago I decided I would listen to only new stuff, and never the same cut more than once if possible. My genres are classical, jazz, pop, and there is all kinds of good new stuff in those genres. Spotify makes even the most obscure stuff instantly available, so there's lots of "it's new to me" old music to be discovered. Rock? I don't look for it, so I don't know.

I don't want to hear Freebird, Stairway to Heaven, Born to be Wild, Baba O'Riley, Stones, or any of that old stuff anymore! But my poker buddies won't let go of it.

Posted by: gp at April 23, 2018 08:29 PM (mk9aG)

507 Rock n Roll ain't noise pollution
Rock n roll ain't gonna die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqg5-9nsSM

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2018 08:29 PM (z79tQ)

508 Don't forget "Sugar, Sugar" by The Archies.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 23, 2018 08:30 PM (0QYMt)

509 Mustaine is far more than a non-lefty. The man famously thrown out of Metallica for partying too hard accepted Jesus at some point, sobered out, and became a surprisingly solid conservative.

I didn't know that until he showed up out of nowhere to stump for Rick Santorum. Since then... well, he's been solidly conservative. Actually, if you cross Rick Santorum's general policy stances with Trump's willingness to battle, you're pretty much in the ballpark of Dave Mustaine. Maybe someone should convince him to lose the long flowing metalhead hair (doesn't really go with the Serious Middle Aged Conservative face he's developed) and run for office. We could do worse, and the combination of name recognition, ability to handle the media, willingness to fight, and solid conservativeness is pretty rare to find.

Posted by: Locarno at April 23, 2018 08:30 PM (HhYvn)

510 So did anyone read it and agree with jonah?

Posted by: Prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 23, 2018 08:24 PM (z3nSX)


I read it ... and like every damn body else that fancies themselves as the Right and Proper Guardian of Culture ...

... Goldberg has aspirations of Tyranny. Like many Tyrants - for my own good.

And again ... when it comes to the Citizen and the State ... I honestly have no fucking idea what example can drop, at this point, to change anyone's mind.

Everyone has their ideas. Most of them involve Being In Charge.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2018 08:30 PM (fiGNd)

511 When I was 13-25 I listened to all the classical music I could get a hold of. And now I listen to Muse, Jack White, and classic metal. I am Benjamin Button, becoming younger with time, when it comes to my taste in music.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2018 08:30 PM (rnAwa)

512 Hi, Emmie!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at April 23, 2018 08:32 PM (wSC8T)

513 Good stuff. Can't get over their fascination with Billie Holliday, though. Drugged out and couldn't sing a proper song properly if her life depended on it.


De gustibus non est disputandem.

I love Lady Day. Like Edith Piaf, you get the real pain of the world in her voice.

She was, by the way, literally hounded to death by an FBI guy. I forget his name, but he was a literal racist who got chided by Hoover for using the word n*gger too much in his reports. He had a grudge against Holiday and had her Cabaret license taken away so she couldn't play NYC venues and basically chased her into fatal heroin addiction.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 08:32 PM (fuK7c)

514 Posted by: Locarno at April 23, 2018 08:30 PM (HhYvn)
=====
Dave Mustaine's Longtime Bass Player Dave Ellefson is a Christian & is an Ordained Lutheran Minister

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 23, 2018 08:32 PM (y3aQB)

515 497
She ain't the beginnings of a pimple on the ass of the Great Ella Fitzgerald. Now there's a fantastic jazz singer.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 08:26 PM (GdWl+)


Sarah Vaughan was great, too. A couple of years ago I bought a sheet of her stamps at the post office and the black woman working the counter seemed startled and pleased that I knew about her.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 08:33 PM (sdi6R)

516 Oh, Jonah's point: fast music stirs emotions, foments a fashion pose of defiance, and makes the chicks put out easy. Western civ has known this for a long long time. So what? It's art. It's supposed to rock. Let's go after movies and books next.

Posted by: gp at April 23, 2018 08:33 PM (mk9aG)

517 Junkies down in Brooklyn are going crazy
They're laughing just like hungry dogs in the street
Policemen are hiding behind the skirts of little girls
Their eyes have turned the color
Of frozen meat

Posted by: No no no no no no no no no no no noooo at April 23, 2018 08:33 PM (UdKB7)

518 Posted by: Locarno at April 23, 2018 08:30 PM (HhYvn)

DM's state of residency happens to be AZ. I also believe there is a senior senator we haven't heard from lately.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 23, 2018 08:33 PM (OaFqD)

519 Nood

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 08:33 PM (Lh6Rk)

520 Nood Toronto hypocrisy from the Left.

Imma goona get mt Goldberg hate on and go listen to some ABBA.

Well, really just watch the videos.

Posted by: tbodie at April 23, 2018 08:34 PM (tBimT)

521 Jonah's mad that accordion never got him tail in high school.

He would have done well with the recorder...

Posted by: t-bird at April 23, 2018 08:34 PM (QxXRY)

522 "What's the last big true rock hit you can think of?" All the rock fans I know listen to the same old sh!t from 60s and 70s. Over and over and over and over again. They _insist_ on it, and go apesh!t if somebody tries to change the channel."

---------this is a boomer problem. A lot of bands they like stopped making new music. Gen X has the same problem now but we're actively looking for newer stuff to listen to. Although Dave Grohl is still creative, for example. Metallica is still out there. I can enjoy

I know my stuff is better than boomer music and millenial trash but that doesn't mean you stay static.

And, if boomers are anything like me, you may be shocked at how much music you forgot. Spotify and the net can fill you in on all your forgotten stuff instead of listening to the same 10 songs over and over. as well as finding new stuff you may like

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:35 PM (Kuhyt)

523
Were any of you guys at Woodstock? I was too young.
Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 08:29 PM (Lh6Rk)








It's like in prison, everyone is innocent.

With hippies over the age of 60, everyone was at Woodstock.

And they won't fucking shut up about it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 08:36 PM (eXA4G)

524 If Ellefson is a Lutheran minister, maybe someone should ask Megadeth about the whole Google AdWords thing with Concordia Publishing. Mustaine could make some noise on Twitter.

Posted by: Locarno at April 23, 2018 08:37 PM (HhYvn)

525 I dunno, fine, mustaine is not a lefty.

kids should listen to the old stuff if they enjoy it, it is our history. The soundtrack, for example, of Forest Gump may seem like a boomer top 10 list but when I hear Running on Empyt come on, I appreciate as a song and as a piece of heritage.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 08:38 PM (Kuhyt)

526 I'm still really sad Avicci died.

Posted by: SarahW at April 23, 2018 08:38 PM (Sp1NT)

527 Hey! How about a column trashing black gospel music for failing to rationally analyze the implications of Arminian theology?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2018 08:27 PM (0jtPF)

It was inevitable.

Posted by: John Calvin Music Appreciation Society at April 23, 2018 08:38 PM (tBimT)

528 So did anyone read it and agree with jonah?
Posted by: Prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel


Well, I agreed with Jonah, as far as I could since I'm reading it through Judge's filter.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 23, 2018 08:39 PM (6FqZa)

529
I love Lady Day. Like Edith Piaf, you get the real pain of the world in her voice.

She was, by the way, literally hounded to death by an FBI guy. I forget his name, but he was a literal racist who got chided by Hoover for using the word n*gger too much in his reports. He had a grudge against Holiday and had her Cabaret license taken away so she couldn't play NYC venues and basically chased her into fatal heroin addiction.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 23, 2018 08:32 PM (fuK7c)







+1 for Billie here.

Another tidbit related to her, after Frank Sinatra got too old to do the teen crooner thing, he remade himself as a mature singer by modeling a big part of his phrasing on Billie Holiday. He was very open about that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 08:41 PM (eXA4G)

530 Judas Priest, Firepower

https://youtu.be/z4cloqVvJog

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2018 08:43 PM (rnAwa)

531 Jethro Tull?


How out of touch can you be?

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 08:47 PM (+lOpA)

532 Oh crap you rons are already in the 500's.

What was I thinking?

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 08:47 PM (+lOpA)

533 Jonah would not like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs.

https://youtu.be/auzfTPp4moA

Posted by: SarahW at April 23, 2018 08:49 PM (Sp1NT)

534 Oh, No
You gotta go.
Who do you write for?
I wanna know.
I believe you is the government's whore,
And keeping peoples dumb
Is where you're coming from.

Posted by: Packard Goose at April 23, 2018 09:15 PM (eFpXj)

535 Yeah, I think that could be said to be the point where rock music jumped the shark.
Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 08:13

I love Rock & Roll, but I get Jonah's point. It's not been exactly supportive of traditional American values in any way. Actually contributed to the degradation of them if you want to be honest. JMHO

Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2018 09:31 PM (yJ1e6)

536 I'm open to reinterpretations of the hits.
Motorhead did an awesome cover of Sympathy for The Devil.
And P!nk did an awesome cover of White Rabbit.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 23, 2018 09:35 PM (tM+21)

537 I read the critique of Goldberg, who is trying to hawk a book that basically claims populism and present day conservatism, to the point they overlap, also are mindless emotions. The book's apparent target audience is Never Trumpers and liberals Jonah wants to impress. The rock analysis is not very impressive, because (a) as ace noted, science indicates emotion is the foundation from which reason eventually emerges and (b) the argument is stale and has been around since the '50s.

As to the latter, Goldberg's assertion is unoriginal to say the least. If you watch the film "Crossroads" from '86, it resists the assertion rock is worthless emotion and then mucks that thesis up when the protagonist triumphs over blues lovin' Satan via Beethoven. Goldberg's claim, at least via the Daily Caller, is the same although it works backward to reach the same conclusion as "Crossroads." And, of course, "Crossroads" inadvertently gives voice to the same criticism of rock that has been recycled since its inception.

In fairness to Goldberg, he apparently references more contemporary rock than Jethro Tull, which essentially is a zombie band with only one original member. But based on this excerpt, he does dwell on the Zombie Tull.

I look forward to not buying Goldberg's book. Maybe there are enough Tom Nichols' in the world to prop up what, based on this excerpt, appears to be a trainwreck.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 23, 2018 09:35 PM (0F/tn)

538 Vive La France!

Posted by: beckydotData at April 23, 2018 09:42 PM (uiI3M)

539 First thing I thought when I started reading this was "sounds like Allan Bloom". Wasn't quite sure I quite got it when Allan Bloom wrote it. But then, I wasn't exactly a rock and roll fanatic.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at April 23, 2018 10:17 PM (BVQ+1)

540 Jonah Goldberg is a first class douche weasel.

Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at April 23, 2018 10:19 PM (VE1y7)

541 No, we don't reason "intuitively" we are created capable of reasoning but that's as far as it goes. The rest is nurture, or lack thereof, that brings forth wisdom from knowledge.

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (yScAF)

542 These soaring eagles have lost their god damned minds.

Posted by: TJ at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (OTO8q)

543 "...and who piously recite received wisdom as if they were mullahs, telling the rest of us we should be more rational."

You're on fire. This is why we love you.

Posted by: Born Free at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (y7Mkd)

544 Sorry, no, Ace. We do NOT reason first from feeling. We *ACT* first from feeling. We learn to subordinate feeling to reason as part of growing up. So we learn to act from our reason instead of our feeling.

And faith is not entirely feeling. Reason is bent to the service of faith, as well. I don't just feel like God exists, I'm convinced he exists, too.

Sometimes you seem blinded by your emotions.

Posted by: GWB at April 23, 2018 10:58 PM (IEo5i)

545 "539 First thing I thought when I started reading this was "sounds like Allan Bloom". Wasn't quite sure I quite got it when Allan Bloom wrote it. But then, I wasn't exactly a rock and roll fanatic."

Goldberg definitely has tried to repackage Fifties-era tent revival rants against rock as "The Closing of the American Mind." Wonder how much more of Jonah's earlier work, which wasted my eyes and time, was unoriginal and cribbed conventional wisdom? All of it?

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 23, 2018 11:00 PM (0F/tn)

546 Boy am I glad I missed out on this one.
Can't figure out how Wolfgang Amadeus did, too.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (H5rtT)

547 The last great rock song that left any cultural impression was probably Seven Nation Army by the White Stripes. Jack White is pretty much the last gasp of the great rock and roll era.

Posted by: Brisco_County_SR at April 23, 2018 11:59 PM (k6NDF)

548 Not one of you doing all the commentating here has read Goldberg's book (it was released at midnight tonight), just Ace's interpretation of some other guy's interpretation of the point Goldberg was trying to make. Yet you don't let that get in the way of your seething outrage. Pathetic. This site turned into Little Green Footballs so gradually I barely noticed.

Posted by: DFG at April 24, 2018 02:05 AM (9uEHW)

549 Little Green Footballs?!!! LMAO! I was thinking the exact thing of NRO since they advocated electing Hillary Clinton and are now pimping Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti for President in 2020. Ace hasn't changed, Trump has just broken the elite "conservative" pundit class and turned them into whiny, emotional little girls.

Posted by: Trigger Warning at April 24, 2018 03:00 AM (YRXy3)

550 The origins of rock and roll were as a counterweight to the imposed uniformity of military training during WWII and the Korean War.

The LEFT-right-LEFt-right cadence became

the left-RIGHT-left-RIGHT of syncopation

And thereby achieved a balance.

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 24, 2018 04:48 AM (EMi53)

551 Cue ' It's Too Late To Apologize' please.

Posted by: Tim from Nashua at April 24, 2018 07:28 AM (EATOD)

552 (this may be my first post - though i've been reading for years - be gentle)

It seems weird for Jonah to go after Rock at this point in time. More and more it seems a type of music relegated to the oldies stations. My 16 year old couldn't think of a single rock song that his high school classmates would all know.

Posted by: Jeffrey at April 24, 2018 07:40 AM (FsRGZ)

553 Why give Goldberg this much space?

Posted by: Henry Lee at April 24, 2018 07:54 AM (c/+wS)

554 Isn't religious feeling felt intuitively and not rationally?

No. There is no conflict between faith and reason albeit some things are beyond mere human understanding.

See St. John Paul II's encyclical Fides et Ratio!!


Posted by: dad29 at April 24, 2018 07:59 AM (7Kti7)

555 On why would Jonah Goldberg say what he did? Look at the comments here. It is controversial. That sales. Why pick rock to go after in particular? I'm going with it is because he knows his audience. Teenagers aren't going to read his book, but old farts that love Rock n Roll might. Last thought on the cultural significance of Rock n Roll (or its descendants). I was at the Hard Rock cafe in Boston a couple days back. They would be better titled the "Pop Rock" cafe these days, but I did hear "What does the Fox say?". My wife thinks Left Shark is culturally significant. Make of that what you will.

Posted by: Jeffrey at April 24, 2018 08:45 AM (FsRGZ)

556 You are full of sh ace. Feelings are 98% useless. Example: giving birth. All the anxiety of months and the pain of hours are water under the bridge when the baby and the mother are healthy at the end. Most feelings are like that. Water under the bridge. Relic software.

I don't know what "moral feelings" are. Maybe you can enlighten me. Maybe not all that is not thinking should be called feeling as in that case it is just a bucket.

Even with "moral feelings" on they are 99% consistent with utilitarianism, if you think about true utilitarianism not the straw man of Hollywood movies.

Posted by: ahzoo at April 24, 2018 10:04 AM (wK745)

557 You just misunderstood Goldberg and argued against conservatism. Aligned yourself with the snowflakes, the most recent expression of this pagan religion.

There's an imaginary geography we all place ourselves on and that determines our political inclinations.

Imagine a village surrounded by a fence surrounded by forest. At the center of the village you have the "pillars of society", makers of human rules, definers of "us". Those are conservatives they fear nature and try to contain and control it. As you move from the center towards the fence the human component (thinking) weakens and the animal component (feelings) gets stronger. You get from liberals to anarchists to the witch that sits on the fence between the human world and the natural one. They generally want to blow things up.

Cultural and political history is the story of the fight between the people in the center of the village and the people near the fence. Which one are you?

We all like rock and roll but what he points out is something else. Rock and roll is a backdoor valve, is a bypass mechanism to our frontal lobes. Fine if you can handle it but not everyone is as aware. Nobody arguing banning rock and roll, just awareness.

Posted by: ahzoo at April 24, 2018 10:39 AM (wK745)

558 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTIbsEXYP4A

Posted by: aelfheld at April 24, 2018 10:48 AM (IxDhF)

559 It would take forever to unpack what's wrong with both Goldberg' and with Ace's takes. But consider this: note how strong an emphasis both Aristotle and Plato put on TRAINING the emotions; on seeing to it that we have good responses, emotionally. And they were certainly among the most rationalist of thinkers.

Rock is mostly crap. Partly this is true because whatever is produced, at any time, is mostly crap. But it was made worse by the impossible degree self importance of the musicians themselves, and of their most devoted fans. It created a culture in which people actually discussed the "meaning" of shit like Inagodadavida and MacArthur Park. They did. I was there. Its only virtue was the laughter it could provoke. Not to say some good stuff didn't come out. But even then, it's been all down hill since Who's Next.

(I'm really just talking of the rock I know, mostly the 60s and 70s. Sometime in the 80s I just tuned out pop culture. And could not be happier about that.)

Posted by: George LeS at April 24, 2018 10:51 AM (/ki+X)

560 I hear Jonah also really tore into swing music, saying it came from the devil.

There was a recent headline on Drudge asking why rap was getting a pass from the #metoo movement. Apparently Jonah is following good deep-state practices (DSP?) when it comes to double standards and selective outrage. He knows full well that if he takes on Jay-Z et al., his CNN gigs would be gone, his special exemption pass for house conservatives will be revoked.

Posted by: Cato at April 24, 2018 07:36 PM (wX++C)

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