When Was The Last Time You Changed Your Mind About Something?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

I had an odd conversation last night, and it piqued my interest in why the person was so confident of her position in spite of very little data to back it up and even less personal experience.

Yes, of course, she is a Northeastern liberal. Duh. And her position? America has become more racist.

But that's not the point. What intrigued me was how seldom people change their minds. I could cite chapter and verse that America and Americans are probably the least racist country and people on earth, but it wouldn't have mattered much.

The last time I changed my mind was about Bibi Netanyahu. My initial and longstanding opinion of him was glowingly positive, but Moron Nevergiveup was tenacious and convincing in his argument that Bibi is mostly talk and is not the paragon of Israeli strength and determination that I assumed.

How about you? When were you persuaded that your initial opinion -- of anything -- was simply incorrect?

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

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1 I grew up liberal, but then changed as I got older. Maybe moving from CA to KS helped a lot.

Posted by: HH at April 15, 2018 12:09 PM (mIJBI)

2 Do I write something?
Do I not...?
Yes?
No?

Oh hell.

OK. I will.

No, I won't.

Damn!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2018 12:09 PM (0tfLf)

3 When the definition of racism keeps changing...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2018 12:10 PM (IqV8l)

4 Trump. I was wrong

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at April 15, 2018 12:11 PM (N89d3)

5 I thought that Sear then Bake was the best preparation for meat, then I discovered that Bake then Sear is the far superior method

Posted by: professor_chaos at April 15, 2018 12:11 PM (8Uxuq)

6 Fed the nuke war propaganda growing up and believed it. Then I discovered talk radio in 1995. My Dodge Omni only had AM. Best thing that ever happened to me.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 15, 2018 12:12 PM (mzWTV)

7 It happens frequently.

I am still developing my skepticism.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2018 12:13 PM (0QYMt)

8 Grossest example for me was Jimmy Carter. In '76, here was a former Navy officer, "moderate" Democrat, talked a good game. Within 6 months I figured out what an imbecile he was. Became an instant conservative.

Posted by: oldgeezer at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (4pPcl)

9 I'm coming to the conclusion that we should not have entered World War I. I'm reading a couple of books about it.

Posted by: Mike K at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (s170V)

10 I can think of a couple of things. One was that law enforcement were, to a man, The Good Guys, defenders of the Constitution, protectors of the law-abiding. Another, and this was more attitudinal I suppose, was about prison rape. I used to treat it as a joke, as many others did and do. Not funny anymore.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

11 Death penalty.

Still like the idea, but our government isn't competent at unimportant things, let alone.

I guess it sort of goes along with my eventual disdain for the government in general. I don't even believe it's legitimate, at this point.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (UiRxW)

12 The hobgoblins are after this little mind. I think I may allow them to catch me.

http://tinyurl.com/yaomjfer

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2018 12:15 PM (pvjTE)

13 This is a great topic by the way.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:16 PM (NWiLs)

14 When Was The Last Time You Changed Your Mind About Something?

Yesterday. I was not planning on doing any drinking yesterday but neighbor came by and wanted to do some porch rocker time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 12:17 PM (mpXpK)

15 I was gonna comment on this. ... then I changed my mind.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at April 15, 2018 12:17 PM (yTnCT)

16 I at one time thought that liberals are tolerable.

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 12:17 PM (UdKB7)

17 I change my mind about stuff, from time to time. Trump... Confederate Statues....offshore drilling..... line item veto..... the DH.....

Posted by: goatexchange at April 15, 2018 12:18 PM (YFnq5)

18 I was gonna change my mind
But then I got high

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:18 PM (NWiLs)

19 And yet, how many times in his presidency has Trump changed his mind, about policy, about personnel, about the right negotiating posture? This is NOT nitpicking; in fact, I consider this one of PDT's greatest strengths, and a "superpower" few other residents of the Oval Office ever have had. What might George W. Bush's, or even Jimmy Carter's presidency have been if they had swiftly recognized and reversed disastrous policies? At any rate, it's why Trump already has my vote in 2020; he has no belief whatsoever in human infallibility.

Posted by: Another Old White Man at April 15, 2018 12:18 PM (7g+fj)

20 How about you? When were you persuaded that your initial opinion -- of anything -- was simply incorrect?

I was totally against Trump initially. But since he was elected I have completely reversed my opinion.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 12:18 PM (mpXpK)

21 When younger I thought of myself as a liberal. Even voted for Bill Clinton once. But just weeks after his election I began to reconsider, and when I started listening to Limbaugh in 1994 I realized I was never actually a liberal, just been calling myself one.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at April 15, 2018 12:18 PM (Mkuv2)

22
I don't change my mind about much. New information, or better information can sway my opinion a few degrees.

As to racism in America, I have to admit to some less then glowing perceptions of cultural elements of people other then my own 'tribe'. The misandry, the less then stellar family values, the chip-on-the-shoulder perpetually aggrieved attitude.

But enough about leftists.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 12:19 PM (LOgQ4)

23 I once believed liberals really would defend other peoples right to free speech.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:19 PM (vV/gB)

24 I will think upon an idea on which I've changed my mind (there are several, I was a College Young Democrat) but what strikes me is how I feel when I change my opinion of people.

If I start out not liking someone and then come around to liking them I notice that I like them all that much more.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2018 12:19 PM (fuK7c)

25 I believed all my life that agencies like the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. were run by men who not only loved America, but had the fortitude and superior intellect to always to do the right and lawful thing. Not any more. At all.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 12:20 PM (tcwn1)

26 Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 12:17 PM (UdKB7)

Good point. 10 years ago, I would never have joked about helicopter rides.

Five years ago I would have (and did).

Now, I'm not even joking, anymore.

And that's too bad. Is what it is, I guess.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 12:20 PM (UiRxW)

27 In 1980 I thought Reagan was an idiot.

In '84 I voted for him.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 12:21 PM (g5YYQ)

28 I once thought I was wrong. I was mistaken.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2018 12:21 PM (gC2IV)

29 For a long time I used Nosler 140 gr Custom Competition bullets in my mid-range rifle, but after a while reluctantly came to the conclusion the copper jackets were too thin and switched to Sierra MatchKings

Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2018 12:21 PM (MVjcR)

30 Another thing that helped was the Internet. Used it to look up things that I had read and believed when I was young, and then found out later probably problems with the original stories.

Skepticism is the best way to go. Try to check out what others are saying and find out for yourself.

If you can...

Posted by: HH at April 15, 2018 12:21 PM (mIJBI)

31 21 When younger I thought of myself as a liberal. Even voted for Bill Clinton once.
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Listening to a friend go on about how bad Trump was I gently pointed out that my friend voted for Bill Clinton. He agreed, saying Clinton was a talented politician. I agreed with him and then pointed out that Trump ran on Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign platform. My friend became very silent.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:22 PM (vV/gB)

32 10 I can think of a couple of things. One was that law enforcement were, to a man, The Good Guys, defenders of the Constitution, protectors of the law-abiding.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

This was true for me, too. Then a bunch of these police shootings turned out to be from officers who were tatted, 'roided up assholes, and who never should have been given a job in law enforcement.

And don't get me started on the British police.

Let's just say I no longer give LE the benefit of the doubt as I used to.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at April 15, 2018 12:22 PM (xlCXC)

33
I don't know when I was last persuaded so to speak about something, I change my mind usually based on events or actions.

but I significantly remember no longer being a party Republican, not buying the you must vote, its your duty canard. Not voting in the federals is a vote. And it was very freeing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 12:22 PM (r+sAi)

34 Probably 10 years ago from pro death penalty to against. Arguments swayed me, plus felt better to be consistent in pro life stand.

Posted by: Purple at April 15, 2018 12:22 PM (1uQBg)

35 I used to be pro-choice.

That changed about 35 years ago after I asked God to show me if I was wrong.

That was a prayer He answered right quick.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 12:22 PM (g5YYQ)

36 26. Yep. Similar to my own evolution in thinking. Never had a problem with Physical Removal, just never thought it would be necessary stateside.
Sad.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 12:22 PM (fA1SL)

37 Girldog, i felt and acted exactly the same way.

Posted by: goatexchange at April 15, 2018 12:23 PM (YFnq5)

38 On important matters?

Trump.

And, more importantly, abortion. I was pretty strongly pro-choice, until Kermit Gosnel helped me come to Jesus.

Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at April 15, 2018 12:23 PM (C1NyB)

39 Oh the LAST time. Well I was going to make biscuits to go with lunch but made garlic toast instead.

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 12:23 PM (UdKB7)

40 I used to think Progtards were just STUPID, Now I have come to realize they are mentally ill

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 15, 2018 12:24 PM (y3aQB)

41 I used to be a moderate Conservative until I heard Presdent Obama and his vision and automatically became a Obama supporter..

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 15, 2018 12:24 PM (qM84C)

42 I thought that the US invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do when it started. Hindsight tells me I was wrong

Posted by: X-ray at April 15, 2018 12:24 PM (TGrKk)

43 I had an epiphany when I went back to school in my late 30s to take accounting courses. Economics 101 changed my whole perspective on capitalism and human behavior, and was the greatest factor pushing me away from leftism.

Posted by: April at April 15, 2018 12:24 PM (e8PP1)

44 A commenter claimed just yesterday (the name was familiar Burt something) that there are no selfless acts, that everything is done in self interest. That people are kind and generous because they want to feel good about themselves or for some other self interested reason. I was very annoyed at this idea but I pondered it for an hour or two and came to the strange realization that in my own case it was true. I try to be a better person and be nice to others in the hopes that a better person is more likely to accumulate wisdom. And with more wisdom l can understand the world better. That being said, no one ever jumped on a grenade because they want to feel better about themselves. So there are some selfless acts, but perhaps not as many as we assume.

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2018 12:24 PM (QCc6B)

45 When I was young I believed that political and judicial corruption was very rare in America.

I don't think that anymore.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 12:25 PM (g5YYQ)

46 Death penalty's another one. I still support it in principle, but looking at how corrupt the system is, how devious and self-serving prosecutors can be, and how lackadaisical and inept the labs and other forensic "experts" relied on can be, I am far less strident about its application in anything other than slam dunk cases.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:25 PM (NWiLs)

47 The human brain is designed to think in ways that take shortcuts. This is an example of it. Settling into an idea, then sticking with it, to make the world easier to navigate.

Which works fine, most of the time, and if you were raised in a tradition of beliefs (a shared culture), the world could be both simple and clear, and you would be operating just fine in it. MOST of the time.

We are so bombarded by new ideas now though, and a rather unhealthy disregard for the past and its traditions, we're forced to rethink what we already "know," more than is comfortable. So the person who WON'T rethink, it's a defense against the chaos.

Which is much more unhealthy, for those who have as their foundation, this gibbering nonsense we call modern thought.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:25 PM (Pz4pT)

48 Wow. Funny how many of us answered "abortion" at about the same time......

Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at April 15, 2018 12:25 PM (C1NyB)

49 Where do I start?

Posted by: Bill kristol at April 15, 2018 12:26 PM (MAstk)

50 Another, and this was more attitudinal I suppose, was about prison rape. I used to treat it as a joke, as many others did and do. Not funny anymore.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

A similar one for me was conspiracy theorists who post videos of the rainbows coming off their lawn sprinklers as evidence of government mind control chemtrail proof or whatever. Used to be a big joke, then one day - no catalyzing event or personal experience or anything, just out of nowhere - I imagined a family sitting around the kitchen table some Saturday morning:
"Your brother posted another video"
"I know"
"Are we going to do anything?"
"He won't take the meds, what's to do?"
...and so on. Not so funny now.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 12:26 PM (y87Qq)

51 Also, I used to be in favor of maximum prison sentences, three-strikes-and-you're-out laws, taking away sentencing discretion from judges, etc.

Now I see these hyper-aggressive prosecutors throwing every charge they can at somebody the police have arrested, withholding exculpatory evidence, etc.

So I don't know if voting for these things was a good thing.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at April 15, 2018 12:26 PM (xlCXC)

52 I really really shit the bed with my far too long George W. Bush support.

Posted by: Chiefillinicake at April 15, 2018 12:27 PM (iPXnl)

53 Earlier today I thought that there was no way I would eat this entire bag of peanut M&Ms. I was wrong.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2018 12:27 PM (gC2IV)

54 53 Earlier today I thought that there was no way I would eat this entire bag of peanut M&Ms. I was wrong.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2018 12:27 PM (gC2IV)

*pushes Zantac through USB for Duke*

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:28 PM (NWiLs)

55 I used to think Manhattanites were American. Then I watched them flip on Iraq cuz they were scared of their cab drivers. Now I know they aren't Americans.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:28 PM (vV/gB)

56 I used to fancy myself a liberal and even voted for Jimmy Carter. I don't think I was as liberal as I thought I was and have moved further right ever since.

I also used to be mildly pro-choice as in "I'm personally against abortion but won't decide for others." Boy, was that a dumb position.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at April 15, 2018 12:28 PM (nvMvs)

57 I assumed the Russian collusion investigation was bullshit, but listening to the news today, it looks they have Trump dead to rights. Only a matter of time.

Posted by: Pyrocles at April 15, 2018 12:28 PM (0FWp4)

58 I used to think I'd amount to something. Life proved me wrong.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:28 PM (NWiLs)

59 Every day

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (aC6Sd)

60 I thought the internet would be inherently Libertarian but it turns out it's decidedly Totalitarian.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (qJtVm)

61 52 I really really shit the bed with my far too long George W. Bush support.

Posted by: Chiefillinicake at April 15, 2018 12:27 PM (iPXnl)

+++

This too.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (tcwn1)

62 I used to think I was overweight. Then I realized I'm undertall.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (/qEW2)

63 I used to think that the major difference between right and left was, 'different applications or approaches to reach the same outcome or goal.' I now realize how wrong that is. The left wants to control our lives. everything is about power and authority over us, to them. and when they don't get what they want, they hate us.

Posted by: goatexchange at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (YFnq5)

64 Posted by: Max Power <<<<<

You and that poster are describing the philosophy of Ayn Rand.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (r+sAi)

65 I used to believe the police were honest.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (vV/gB)

66 I really really shit the bed with my far too long George W. Bush support.

Posted by: Chiefillinicake at April 15, 2018 12:27 PM (iPXnl

This, and I used to think theh ACLU did good things. That changed many moons ago.

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (a3OL0)

67 Earlier today I thought that there was no way I would eat this entire bag of peanut M&Ms. I was wrong.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Anything less then a pound bag is a single serving

Posted by: Bruce at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (BdsCV)

68 62 I used to think I was overweight. Then I realized I'm undertall.
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Big Boned.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:30 PM (vV/gB)

69 I voted for Obama,
(first time) because I thought it was the right thing to do....Black man (forget the other half) in the oval office, perfect of all worlds, and we would peace in the valley again...

Posted by: Colin at April 15, 2018 12:30 PM (ALkW9)

70 In 1988, I voted for George Bush, believing he would do the right thing regarding raising taxes and not giving China Most Favored Nation status. I was wrong, and he did not get my vote in '92.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at April 15, 2018 12:30 PM (rdl6o)

71 slam dunk cases.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:25 PM (NWiLs)

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Yeah, I guess it's different, when they catch the sumbitch on camera, or with five reliable witnesses.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 12:31 PM (UiRxW)

72 Its happened a lot to me over the years. I used to think Ronald Reagan would kill us all in nuclear war, that nuclear power was terrifying and dangerous, that you could trust the FBI to do a good job, and that Donald Trump would be Bill Clinton II and govern middle left. I thought Trey Gowdy was a solid and wise prosecutor. I thought I'd never get tired of Star Wars. Lots of things over the years I've found I was wrong about.

The best thing any of us can learn is to say "I don't know."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:31 PM (39g3+)

73 Mike the Texan, that was the Mario Cumo position, personally opposed. I wonder if God agreed?

Posted by: Clutch at April 15, 2018 12:31 PM (xyMDy)

74 As for what I've changed my mind about, number 1 is that damned contemptible Republican Party.

2. Participation in foreign adventures.
3. The war on drugs.
4. The concept of marriage as a legal construct for government to have ANY involvement in.

And on it goes. Which I think means I'm becoming more libertarian. While of course, NOT also becoming Libertarian, because those people are idiots.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:31 PM (Pz4pT)

75 Three years ago, I decided that a some bourbon was drinkable, and thus that some people who liked bourbon were not simply large retarded children. So I can change my mind, occasionally.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 15, 2018 12:31 PM (GlQzy)

76 Leftists are so into group think that is the only opinion they hear, if everyone told you every day the sky was green in short order you would swear its green as well and no longer believe your own eyes.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 12:31 PM (aC6Sd)

77 I used to think I was overweight. Then I realized I'm undertall.
Posted by: Lena Dunham at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (/qEW2)

Don't forget pudding shaped.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at April 15, 2018 12:32 PM (Mkuv2)

78 >>>And her position? America has become more racist.

Well it has become more racist thanks to Obama, hasn't it?

j/k I know she was probably thinking something like "the Klan is taking over!"

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 12:32 PM (/qEW2)

79 1. The efficacy of pistol-mounted lights for the armed citizen (really not useful outside of the home).
2. The utility of pepper spray for the armed civilian (I now think you should carry it everywhere you can, even if you carry a pistol. Especially if.).
3. The use of harsh language in a firearms class. (You need to get used to insane levels of cussing, because if you're shocked by curse words, that's 2-3 seconds of doing nothing in an lethal force situation, and that delay can kill you).

Posted by: ExurbanKevin at April 15, 2018 12:32 PM (RHmdM)

80 Then: Truth, justice, and the American Way.

Now: The fundamental transformation of a once honorable country.

Posted by: zek at April 15, 2018 12:32 PM (LGXGf)

81 I thought the internet would be inherently Libertarian but it turns out it's decidedly Totalitarian.

The early internet was explicitly libertarian. Before there was search there was WELL, Whole Earth Lectric Links.

Explicitly libertarian and from San Francisco. Things change.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2018 12:32 PM (fuK7c)

82 I originally thought Comey was a straight arrow boy scout. Then I found out.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:33 PM (vV/gB)

83 And her position? America has become more racist.

8 years of me!

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at April 15, 2018 12:33 PM (Tyii7)

84 Another one is women. I was raised on the sugar and spice and everything nice model, taught to pedestalize them, see them as innately superior in morality, virtue and kindness, and that one should spend their every waking moment supplicating and placating. I'm pretty far away from that now.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:33 PM (NWiLs)

85 I had a conversion to being Catholic. Wasn't raised that way at all. I was a nominal non-denominational Christian that never darkend the door of a church willingly. Now I hate to ever miss mass.

Posted by: Usntakim at April 15, 2018 12:33 PM (0OmEj)

86 I used to think Wasp Spray was only for wasps.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:34 PM (vV/gB)

87 65 I used to believe the police were honest.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:29 PM (vV/gB)

Me too. That's a really difficult one to have to give up.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:34 PM (NWiLs)

88 Another, and this was more attitudinal I suppose, was about prison rape. I used to treat it as a joke, as many others did and do. Not funny anymore.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

Yeah, Hollywood cop shows make jokes about this all the time. We don't sentence people to be raped or sodomized. It isn't funny and shouldn't be tolerated.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 12:34 PM (g5YYQ)

89 I once thought women didn't fart.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:34 PM (vV/gB)

90 Went to a casino yesterday thinking I was going to become rich........Actually I just helped pay the employees, which is a good thing I guess.

Posted by: Colin at April 15, 2018 12:35 PM (ALkW9)

91 I am chiming in on that 'respect for police' thread. Same here. now i know i will NEVER utter a word to police, ever.

Posted by: goatexchange at April 15, 2018 12:35 PM (YFnq5)

92 The war in Iraq. I was very much for it. I saw it as a way to reign in Iran. It was a colossal mistake that gave Iran even more dominance in the region. In fact, the whole Bush presidency was a huge mistake. We'd been better off getting Gore to f### up after 9/11 and then electing someone better than Bush. Perhaps we wouldn't have the patriot act, Obama, or Obamacare. Bush did nothing the decrease the size, scope, and power of the Government

Posted by: Ann at April 15, 2018 12:35 PM (8VLPz)

93 75 Three years ago, I decided that a some bourbon was drinkable, and thus that some people who liked bourbon were not simply large retarded children. So I can change my mind, occasionally.
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It was Makers Mark, wasn't it?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:36 PM (vV/gB)

94 War on drugs. Used to be all for it, now I see what a corrosive and corrupt enterprise it is.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:36 PM (NWiLs)

95 Another one is women. I was raised on the sugar and spice and everything nice model, taught to pedestalize them, see them as innately superior in morality, virtue and kindness, and that one should spend their every waking moment supplicating and placating. I'm pretty far away from that now.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:33 PM (NWiLs)

Well yeah.

But the opposite is also not true either.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:36 PM (Pz4pT)

96 A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Yeah, I dunno what I was thinkin' there. That's bullshit.

Posted by: Ralph Waldo Emerson at April 15, 2018 12:36 PM (oVJmc)

97 This is NOT nitpicking; in fact, I consider this one of PDT's greatest strengths, and a "superpower" few other residents of the Oval Office ever have had. What might George W. Bush's, or even Jimmy Carter's presidency have been if they had swiftly recognized and reversed disastrous policies?

Yeah you can take it too far but definitely guys like George Bush the younger were way too big on loyalty and staying the course.

Its like the Cardinals baseball club. They have long had a very good tradition of staying with a manager once they get one. And through the years, they've had amazing managers who they should have stuck with. But if you use that as policy rather than a case-by-case analysis, you end up sticking with someone you ought have dumped... like their present manager, who is lousy and needs to be replaced.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:36 PM (39g3+)

98 There are quite a few Republicans I used to admire who I now have little respect for. GWB, Paul Ryan, and McStain top the list.

But the biggest embarrassment and regret of my life is all the years I defended Lance Armstrong against what seemed to be sour grapes unsubstantiated doping charges. Boy, do I feel dumb.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (cB84n)

99 I used to think Dubya was an honorable man and that despite his wealth and pedigree he championed the common man. I've changed my mind about that. I also have had second thoughts about going into Iraq - not because it was a bad idea to get rid of Saddam but because this country no longer has the will to make a long-term commitment. Also, I'm not sure it would make a difference in that shithole anyway. Bush thought everyone wants freedom and the Arabs would too if they had the choice. But hell, there are Americans who don't want freedom. The Arabs have no history of democracy. Germany and Japan have representative government now only because we smashed their countries into rubble first.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (H80UQ)

100 I used to think I was paranoid, now I don't think I'm paranoid enough. I used to believe in an honorable reasoned discussion, but you can't have one with someone who wants to end our way of life. I used to think maybe I had a problem, then I realized I had free will.

Posted by: eckertblues at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (ivVqc)

101 Yes, of course, she is a Northeastern liberal. Duh. And her position? America has become more racist.

Helped, largely, by the Left defining racism downward all the time and pushing their grievance industry harder and harder.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (oVJmc)

102 95 Another one is women. I was raised on the sugar and spice and everything nice model, taught to pedestalize them, see them as innately superior in morality, virtue and kindness, and that one should spend their every waking moment supplicating and placating. I'm pretty far away from that now.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:33 PM (NWiLs)

Well yeah.

But the opposite is also not true either.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:36 PM (Pz4pT)

Maybe not, but that's not the point.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (NWiLs)

103 I used to think women didn't like sex. Now I know they just don't like sex with me.

Posted by: X-ray at April 15, 2018 12:38 PM (TGrKk)

104 Another, and this was more attitudinal I suppose, was about prison rape. I used to treat it as a joke, as many others did and do. Not funny anymore.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

Yeah, Hollywood cop shows make jokes about this all the time. We don't sentence people to be raped or sodomized. It isn't funny and shouldn't be tolerated.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 12:34 PM (g5YYQ)

Yes, not tolerable.

It's also MUCH less prevalent than people think it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:38 PM (Pz4pT)

105 The war in Iraq. I was very much for it. I saw it as a way to reign in Iran.

Is that changing your mind or just recognizing events?

I bought into the neocon argument. I thought getting rid of the thugocracy in Iraq would establish a decent middle class democracy in the Middle East and that would encourage the region to change.

So we were wrong. Events proved us wrong. I don't know that recognizing events is the same as changing your mind.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2018 12:38 PM (fuK7c)

106 Happens every once in a while. Met a young couple a number of years ago who had a beach condo in the same complex as mine. My original assessment was that they were very cold and unfriendly.

A year later, I hosted a small open house after a condo meeting, and they came and stayed late. Turned out they were great, high quality people who became good friends. Their kids were buddies with mine for many, many years. We've gone somewhat separate ways just due to life's logistics and their principal residence being far from mine. But we still consider ourselves friends.

I totally misjudged them; I was completely wrong.

Posted by: RM at April 15, 2018 12:38 PM (U3LtS)

107 I didn't understand why some people were so adamant about protecting their right to gun ownership. I mean, it's right there in the Constitution, why are you so worried? Why such a gun nut? (I wasn't against guns, just never saw the allure)

But then the assaults on free speech by the Left (the Left! Free Speech Movement anyone?) coupled oddly enough with the push to ban ownership of guns changed my mind very much indeed.

Thanks Obama!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 15, 2018 12:38 PM (qJtVm)

108 Once I thought I was wrong, but as it turned out I was mistaken!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (n9EOP)

109 I used to think Republicans REALLY wanted to overturn Obamacare.

Posted by: rexbatt at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (7aGds)

110
Its kind of funny, but you always know that those people talking about America being more racist are always thinking about blacks. As if no other demographic had been discriminated against and as if there was never slavery.

If you were an alien and you only watched commercials, you would have to conclude that it was white men being discriminated against today.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (r+sAi)

111 The last time I changed my mind was about Bibi Netanyahu.

I didn't like her as Lillith at first, either, but she grew on me, too.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (oVJmc)

112 Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:34 PM (vV/gB)

Having an older sister meant I would never suffer that delision.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (cB84n)

113
I used to think women didn't like sex. Now I know they just don't like sex with me.

Posted by: X-ray at April 15, 2018 12:38 PM (TGrKk)

That where sex bots are entering you life, they will teach you how to do it right!

Posted by: Colin at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (ALkW9)

114 While still my second choice to mango, I now think lemon flavored Italian ice cups are just fine. Very refreshing.

Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (MVjcR)

115 I have changed my mind concerning my fellow citizens.

I used to think we were all in this together and sacrifice, hard work and playing by the rules was the American way.

I have learned that most Americans are selfish, lazy, avoid sacrifices and want to be entertained 24/7 by stupidity and Beyonce.

But I repeat myself.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (EoRCO)

116 Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:33 PM (NWiLs)

Well yeah.

But the opposite is also not true either.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:36 PM (Pz4pT)

Maybe not, but that's not the point.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (NWiLs)

I know. You are very clear on your point. I am also hoping for you to see beyond that. Because I think your life will be better when you do.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (Pz4pT)

117 Yes, of course, she is a Northeastern liberal. Duh. And her position? America has become more racist.

You should've asked her how much Obama had to do with that.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2018 12:40 PM (O5Q3r)

118 I hear a lot about Iraq. My sense, from being a Marine, is when you pull the sword you don't sheath it until you win. We may need to go back to declaring war to slow things down.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:40 PM (vV/gB)

119 Another one is women. I was raised on the sugar and spice and everything nice model, taught to pedestalize them, see them as innately superior in morality, virtue and kindness

When you are raised by and surrounded by good women, it is too easy to assume as a boy that women are the exception to original sin. Turns out they're as bad as we men are.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:40 PM (39g3+)

120 To others who said it: my stalwart defense of GWB brings me shame. I was such a fool. At least I can blame callow youth.

Not that Kerry or Gore would've been better, mind you, but that deep state neo-Con should've been kept on a tight leash. Not followed blindly. Into a pointless war of nation building in the Middle East. Into "Compassionate Conservatism" (liberalism).
Into "No Penny Left Behind." Into the Patriot Act. The list goes on...

That guy didn't make small mistakes; he did huge damage wherever he went. And I defended it. Blech!!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 12:40 PM (UiRxW)

121 Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 15, 2018 12:40 PM (L3YlV)

122 Jimmy Carter convinced me that voting for any Democrat, ever, after 1976, was a bad idea. That's a personal "never again." Thanks Jimmah!

Posted by: geoffb at April 15, 2018 12:40 PM (zOpu5)

123 Last year when I decided advances in bullet design made the 9mm a fair choice compared to the .45ACP, and magazine capacity compensated for any other difference. Have been wearing a Glock 19 as a result, having retired my carry 1911A1 for overhaul.

That was a hard choice to make- have been a thirty year 1911 shooter. I don't shoot the G19 as well, but I shoot it well enough, put it that way. And when you have 15+1 in the gun (always top off) and a 21 round reload, compared to 8+1 and two spare 8s, you can afford to throw an insurance round or two.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 15, 2018 12:41 PM (2kD+f)

124 The best thing any of us can learn is to say "I don't know."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:31 PM (39g3+)

The older I get, the less certain I am of anything.

Gee, when I was 16 I knew it all!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at April 15, 2018 12:41 PM (H80UQ)

125 When you are raised by and surrounded by good women, it is too easy to assume as a boy that women are the exception to original sin. Turns out they're as bad as we men are.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:40 PM (39g3+)

I wasn't. I was brainwashed into that set of beliefs.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:41 PM (NWiLs)

126 It interesting how many people have lost trust in law enforcement.

Up until a few years ago I never would have doubted the testimony of an FBI agent in court.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 12:41 PM (g5YYQ)

127 I used to think Clinton was looking after the Clinton voters and then he signed NAFTA and delivered the Clinton Mortgage Ponzi scheme to buy Hispanic voters.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:41 PM (vV/gB)

128 Used to think this was a smart military blog...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2018 12:42 PM (7LY+6)

129 I also have had second thoughts about going into Iraq - not because it was a bad idea to get rid of Saddam but because this country no longer has the will to make a long-term commitment.

Yeah, that's the key people miss. Its not so much that the program and the theory were necessarily flawed (they might have been but we'll never know) its that the nation won't sustain a long enough effort and we're infiltrated by enemies who will commit any treason to regain power.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:42 PM (39g3+)

130 A few decades ago, I would have thought that the current unpleasantness was impossible. "Sanctuary cities", mandatory gay cakes, politicians so treacherous as to try to annihilate the US demographically for political/financial gain, an outright lying media, politicized FBI, hysterical fascist liberals, etc. It was unthinkable. "It can't happen here". Still hard to believe so many people fell fanatically in love with so many bad ideas.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 12:42 PM (/qEW2)

131 I know. You are very clear on your point. I am also hoping for you to see beyond that. Because I think your life will be better when you do.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:39 PM (Pz4pT)

I don't think my life will ever get better, no matter what I think, say, or do. It's all just one big exercise in futility.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:43 PM (NWiLs)

132 My sister and I both cut ties with a first cousin we grew up with, thought of as almost a big sister. After a lifetime of being puzzled by her behavior, making excuses for it, and blaming ourselves for misunderstanding her, we realized what a manipulative, deceitful person she is. Buh-bye.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at April 15, 2018 12:43 PM (2NqXo)

133 As was my wont, I changed my mind about umbrellas and baseballs.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at April 15, 2018 12:43 PM (Tyii7)

134 123 Last year when I decided advances in bullet design made the 9mm a fair choice compared to the .45ACP, and magazine capacity compensated for any other difference. Have been wearing a Glock 19 as a result, having retired my carry 1911A1 for overhaul.

That was a hard choice to make- have been a thirty year 1911 shooter. I don't shoot the G19 as well, but I shoot it well enough, put it that way. And when you have 15+1 in the gun (always top off) and a 21 round reload, compared to 8+1 and two spare 8s, you can afford to throw an insurance round or two.
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Still prefer a .45, but it was the double action of the Baretta that changed my mind.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (vV/gB)

135 I used to be in favor of "Zero tolerance" policies.

Until I learned the hard way that it's just about institutionalizing intolerance.

Posted by: Chiefillinicake at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (iPXnl)

136 I used to think we could save America and recover what was lost.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (39g3+)

137 My rejection of low radius, reduced kickback chainsaw bars and safety chain remains steadfast.

Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (MVjcR)

138 When were you persuaded that your initial opinion -- of anything -- was simply incorrect?
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I was dead wrong about the election. I thought Hillary was such a loathsome creature that just about anyone stood a decent chance of beating her ---anyone but a Bush or a clown like Trump, that is.

Imagine my despair when Trump won the nomination! Might as well crown the Bitch right then and there.

And when people like Ignoramus calmly explained how Trump could very well win the necessary electoral votes, I thought they were.....well, ignoramuses.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (0jtPF)

139

You should've asked her how much Obama had to do with that.

These people believe that any disagreement with Obama, much less opposition, was a declaration of Klan membership. It'll all be YOUR fault, certainly not his.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (oVJmc)

140 101 Yes, of course, she is a Northeastern liberal. Duh. And her position? America has become more racist.

Helped, largely, by the Left defining racism downward all the time and pushing their grievance industry harder and harder.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (oVJmc)

+++

This is so true. There must be hordes of people, thousands and thousands, maybe, who are hooked-up to every radio station or every t.v. outlet waiting to ponce at the merest hint of racism and then have an airing-out for general consumption. Just the other day someone said, "cotton-pickin" in a sentence. He is now condemned for life.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (tcwn1)

141 137 My rejection of low radius, reduced kickback chainsaw bars and safety chain remains steadfast.
Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (MVjcR)

Sounds like a man who's been doing some clear cutting recently.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (NWiLs)

142 I would bet a lot of fellow morons voted for Jimmy if they were old enough. I did, thinking how great it would be to have a ordinary person as President. Billy Carter was a joke, but don't we all have that type of relative. Going to Washington on the peanut express...High hopes, oh well.

Posted by: Colin at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (ALkW9)

143 The most profound mind change I had was my econ course with Robert Evans. That's what began my transformation from liberal to conservative. I'm ashamed of the myths I believed before he vanquished them. He rocked my world for sure.

What's my _latest_ mind change? I've returned to regular church attendance after 50 years absence. 6 weeks in a row so far. I haven't faith, but something is telling me it's important to be there, and I do want to learn more scripture.

Posted by: gp at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (mk9aG)

144 Oh, the bigger one. Events regarding a friend's situation and the national-level FBI events ruined any level of good will I may have had for law enforcement and the courts above my county sheriff's office.

Establishment conservatism has been revealed as a lie over the last year. They are the same rent-seeking, would-be aristocracy as their left-wing TV sparring partners.

The Republican Party apparatus is decidedly NOT conservative.

And voting Trump, while not a mistake, has proven we aren't voting our way out of this since the establishment Republicans hate him as much as the Democrats do.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (2kD+f)

145 I used to think there were still some patrotic Democrats, then they put Gorelick on the 9/11 panel.

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (4KVXz)

146 1. My opinion of George W. Bush has dropped through the cellar in the past few years.

2. I've rethought my opposition to anti-Trust laws.

3. I was a never Trumper at one point.

Posted by: Ron Stanford at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (/R4ru)

147 Insomniac, do you have sisters? Because I would think that would have kept you from overidealizing women. Had that effect on my brothers

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (H80UQ)

148 Just the other day someone said, "cotton-pickin" in a sentence. He is now condemned for life.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (tcwn1)
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My mother and grandmother actually picked cotton, unlike some of the people bitching about the offensiveness of the phrase.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (qJtVm)

149 I regret voting for Ross Perot after voting for Reagan twice.

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (a3OL0)

150 130 A few decades ago, I would have thought that the current unpleasantness was impossible. "Sanctuary cities", mandatory gay cakes, politicians so treacherous as to try to annihilate the US demographically for political/financial gain, an outright lying media, politicized FBI, hysterical fascist liberals, etc. It was unthinkable. "It can't happen here". Still hard to believe so many people fell fanatically in love with so many bad ideas.
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Don't forget imprisoning a Christian cuz You Tube Video.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (vV/gB)

151 Please don't burn me as a heretic, but despite being conservative on most issues, I have flipped big time on the death penalty. It's around the same time I realized cops and prosecutors are less interested in actual truth and justice than I wanted to believe. That and a raft of cases (some capital) that have been overturned with modern DNA testing.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (cB84n)

152 >>>There are quite a few Republicans I used to admire who I now have little respect for. GWB, Paul Ryan, and McStain top the list.

Ditto. I sometimes think the media went after GWB in order to trick them into thinking he was conservative.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 12:47 PM (/qEW2)

153
And I used to think Democrats were smart enough and/or patriotic enough not to actually DESTROY America.

I was sure wrong about that.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 12:47 PM (g5YYQ)

154 Please don't burn me as a heretic, but despite being conservative on most issues, I have flipped big time on the death penalty.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (cB84n)

Don't apologize for that.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 12:47 PM (y87Qq)

155 Didn't we have a troll going after Ace for changing his mind about Trump?

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 12:48 PM (eAMlh)

156 Honestly... I think American might be getting more racist.

What I mean is this: the left is being so successful at making any relationship with a group outside yours difficult and caustic, so insulting, so hateful, and so unpleasant that I think people are beginning to retreat into little pockets and viewing others with suspicion and even hostility. Black people, on the whole, are no different, but leftist leaders are so obnoxious and awful in their name that its hard not to become resentful.

And its unquestionable that racism against whites has become shockingly institutionalized, both in government and law, as well as entertainment and culture.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:48 PM (39g3+)

157 I used to think we could save America and recover what was lost.

Same here but eight years of the Clintoons put me on shaky ground. Eight more of TFG sealed the deal.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 15, 2018 12:49 PM (Tyii7)

158 98
There are quite a few Republicans I used to admire who I now have little respect for. GWB, Paul Ryan, and McStain top the list.

But the biggest embarrassment and regret of my life is all the years
I defended Lance Armstrong against what seemed to be sour grapes
unsubstantiated doping charges. Boy, do I feel dumb.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:37 PM (cB84n)

I have never had any respect for any of those three.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 12:49 PM (mpXpK)

159 I thought maybe Rience Priebus was trying to do what is right but changed my mind when he said after President Trump is gone the Republicans will go back to Democrat light.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 12:49 PM (aC6Sd)

160 It interesting how many people have lost trust in law enforcement.

Up until a few years ago I never would have doubted the testimony of an FBI agent in court.

Posted by: girldog

Yep, I know dozens of honorable FBI guys - but if I were on a jury and they said we didn't tape an interview, trust our 302s - I wouldn't give it anymore weight than the ramblings of anmeth head.

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2018 12:49 PM (4KVXz)

161 147 Insomniac, do you have sisters? Because I would think that would have kept you from overidealizing women. Had that effect on my brothers
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at April 15, 2018 12:45 PM (H80UQ)

A younger one, so not much of an influence one way or the other. Like I said earlier these things were brainwashed into me by others - church, culture, parents. My mother was an abominable parent so I certainly didn't reach those conclusions based on her example.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

162 Net Neutrality. First I was for it, then against, and now the actual arguments have gotten so muddled that I don't know anymore.

Posted by: pookysgirl at April 15, 2018 12:50 PM (XKZwp)

163 That and a raft of cases (some capital) that have been overturned with modern DNA testing.

Its a lot fewer than is portrayed on television shows (dozens rather than hundreds) but I do understand and respect your concerns.

For me, that's more a trouble with our culture and those in power than the punishment its self.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:50 PM (39g3+)

164 The Death Penalty. I used to be somewhere between unequivocal support and ambivalent. I've moved between ambivalent and opposing. I understand the philosophical basis and justification for it. It's just that I think it's implementation if flawed and my Christianity requires a hope and prayer for the redemption of all men.

Posted by: RS at April 15, 2018 12:50 PM (CNQqJ)

165 You cannot change people mind about politics by discussion, persuasion, facts etc... It can only be accomplished by a personal beat-down by reality, repeatedly if necessary (which is what it took for me), and opening ones eyes to the real world, and very often even that is not enough since peer pressure to conform, need for acceptance in the club and feel virtuous is intense . Which is why I don't even try to change peoples mind about politics. Can't be done.

Posted by: Ripley at April 15, 2018 12:50 PM (MxEKc)

166 Back in the 70s as a young neocon I got into a heated discussion with a close paleoliberal friend over immigration, particularly of the Muslim variety. He was adamant: "Don't let 'em in", while I called for open borders with the following conditions:
1) Learn and use English as primary language
2) Obey our laws and stay out of trouble
3) Work and stay off welfare

Well, forty years later it is crystal clear that NONE of those conditions are being met. Furthermore, at the time I didn't really have an appreciation for the tribal nature of society, even though I'm a member of (((The Tribe))) myself. So, yes indeed I have changed my mind big time.

Posted by: sestamibi at April 15, 2018 12:50 PM (WusEB)

167 Please don't burn me as a heretic, but despite being conservative on most issues, I have flipped big time on the death penalty. It's around the same time I realized cops and prosecutors are less interested in actual truth and justice than I wanted to believe. That and a raft of cases (some capital) that have been overturned with modern DNA testing.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (cB84n)

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I'd rather that be tackled from the other end by attempting to reform the criminal justice system.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 12:51 PM (/qEW2)

168 "prison rape. I used to treat it as a joke, as many others did and do. Not funny anymore." I'm with you. It's deplorable that we accept it blithely as a society. What's wrong with us?

"The best thing any of us can learn is to say "I don't know."" That does seem to be the correct answer a lot more often than it used to.

Posted by: gp at April 15, 2018 12:51 PM (mk9aG)

169 151 Please don't burn me as a heretic, but despite being conservative on most issues, I have flipped big time on the death penalty. It's around the same time I realized cops and prosecutors are less interested in actual truth and justice than I wanted to believe. That and a raft of cases (some capital) that have been overturned with modern DNA testing.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (cB84n)

You aren't the only one around here.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 12:51 PM (NWiLs)

170 I was once a liberal and changed my mind about that while I was stationed in Vietnam. The fact I was a liberal at one time can be explained by the fact my parents were both liberals. Not just any liberals, mind you, but Adlai Stevenson liberals.

My parents came around eventually. For my father it was after he retired from the military and started buying rental properties in San Francisco. The nonsense regulations the libs enacted drove him to a conservative frame of mind.
For my mother it was Billy Jeff Clinton that made her a conservative.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at April 15, 2018 12:51 PM (hv6Rz)

171 I think a lot of what we believe is influenced by the people we live among. I believe I would have been more conservative as a young girl if I'd stayed in Oklahoma. Living on the West Coast left me surrounded by liberals so I bought into it. Took a long time to get over it. Now, I just don't want to be around these people any more.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (Lqy/e)

172 America is more racist, we are considering race more often in decision making. It's become institutionalized.

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (4KVXz)

173 Trump was an unacceptable candidate to me when he first ran. I went through something like 11 of the GOP's candidates before I settled on Trump.

Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (xxG/v)

174 I used to think today was a good day to quit drinking.

Posted by: Johnny at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (kUotE)

175 Just the other day someone said, "cotton-pickin" in a sentence. He is now condemned for life.

See, this is where we're in bizarro land where up is down and James Bond is a lesbian.

"Cotton-pickin" is a polite, restrained replacement for "God-damned" in a sentence, here you want to say that but can't because ladies are present or you're in public, or on a TV show.

Now saying GD is completely acceptable in public around anyone, and cotton-picken is blasphemous.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (39g3+)

176 @Rusty Nail

See mine at #164, which was made before I scrolled up to read the rest of the comments.

Posted by: RS at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (CNQqJ)

177 Now saying GD is completely acceptable in public around anyone, and cotton-picken is blasphemous.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (39g3+)

I f'n ~love~ when it's censored on broadcast and 'God' is the bit that gets elided.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (y87Qq)

178 In my youth I was against the death penalty and now I am for it.
This is interesting because others here have flipped in the exact opposite direction!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (0jtPF)

179 151 Please don't burn me as a heretic, but despite being conservative on most issues, I have flipped big time on the death penalty. It's around the same time I realized cops and prosecutors are less interested in actual truth and justice than I wanted to believe. That and a raft of cases (some capital) that have been overturned with modern DNA testing.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 12:46 PM (cB84n)

You aren't the only one around here.
Posted by: Insomniac

Same, but the BoR doesn't let me treat the bastards like I want to.

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (4KVXz)

180 I started selling antiques full time in 1966 at the ripe age of 15. I say ripe because of the gays. They would flock to my booth hoping that I was a new piece of chicken. However , back then , the gays had an attitude that you could deal with. In fact many gays that I knew back then relished the fact that homosexuality was outre. You could do business with that crowd. By the time I retired in 2011, I was really sick of them and found not having to deal with them anymore was one of the great advantages of getting out of the biz. That is what I have changed my mind about or rather it's what they changed.

Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (VWsDy)

181 First vote I ever cast for president was for Carter. I've never voted for a Dem since, not even for city council.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (O5Q3r)

182 #134, Puddin Head, went from 1911s at my NG unit to M9s on active duty, and the Beretta just has one design flaw too many for me to really like it. Now that Beretta is selling military-marked ones, I do want one for the sake of the collection since I carried one on three continents at one time or another, but I will never love it.

One, the slide mounted safety is extremely inconvenient on a fast draw, and rarely stays where you put it. Most of the issue magazines were garbage (Check Mate brand in particular). Grip circumference is enormous, and I have large hands. Dirt, oil, and gunk accumulates under the right side grip panel through the trigger transfer bar slot and makes the trigger pull worse than designed.

That said, my old division is the first ones getting the new Sig M17s (a Sig 320 derivative), and having played with one, I really think I am going to end up buying one of those too.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (2kD+f)

183

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2018 12:55 PM (O5Q3r)

184
Yeah, changing my mind on the Iraq war thing was a doozy. Why in the world I ever thought that a society at war for a thousand years would change because we intervened was not optimal thinking.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 12:55 PM (r+sAi)

185 It's just that I think it's implementation if flawed and my Christianity requires a hope and prayer for the redemption of all men.
Posted by: RS at April 15, 2018 12:50 PM (CNQqJ)

Re: redemption. People can still repent of their sins but have to pay the consequences for their actions. There's nothing in Christianity that says the two are mutually exclusive. Paul in Romans says that government has the authority to wield the sword, and he was talking about law and order, not warfare. As Greg Koukl put it, "they weren't using those swords to paddle people with".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 12:55 PM (/qEW2)

186 Certainly Trump. I went from strongly opposed to settlling for. Now I vastly prefer him to all the others, even those more Philosophically Correct.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 15, 2018 12:56 PM (/4bOy)

187 Didn't we have a troll going after Ace for changing his mind about Trump?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 12:48 PM (eAMlh)

Just one?

Make a list of former "regular" contributors (commenters and posters), and a rather large number of them are not here anymore, precisely because Ace didn't nevertrump with them.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 12:56 PM (Pz4pT)

188 164/179 It doesn't bother me what your feelings are about capital punishment. I was always for it but became more so after listening to Dennis Prager's explanation of the Old Testament that a murder is a crime against God destroying a life you forfeit your own.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 12:57 PM (aC6Sd)

189 I used to be a liberal Democrat. Obama cured me.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at April 15, 2018 12:57 PM (5fSr7)

190 The problem with the war in Iraq was we trusted the Democrats. We thought that because most of them signed on for it, we had a partnership for the long-term effort there. But, they were just biding their time. They knew the politics of the moment required them signing on, but they started to undermine the effort as soon as it was politically feasible. What was never part of their calculations was what was best for Iraq or the USA. Only how they could work the politics to their own advantage.

Hopefully, we will never be fooled again. A long-term war effort will never work. We can only think short-term, as they will always abandon any long-term effort and just make things worse than they were.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (pvjTE)

191 Apparently guerrilla street artist Sabo has been banned from Twitter, permanently.

http://tinyurl.com/ycdll7oy

Given his style I cannot imagine why they would think this would keep him away. He'll just come back with another name and keep doing what he does.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (39g3+)

192 182 #134, Puddin Head, went from 1911s at my NG unit to M9s on active duty, and the Beretta just has one design flaw too many for me to really like it. Now that Beretta is selling military-marked ones, I do want one for the sake of the collection since I carried one on three continents at one time or another, but I will never love it.

One, the slide mounted safety is extremely inconvenient on a fast draw, and rarely stays where you put it. Most of the issue magazines were garbage (Check Mate brand in particular). Grip circumference is enormous, and I have large hands. Dirt, oil, and gunk accumulates under the right side grip panel through the trigger transfer bar slot and makes the trigger pull worse than designed.

That said, my old division is the first ones getting the new Sig M17s (a Sig 320 derivative), and having played with one, I really think I am going to end up buying one of those too.
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The issue of grip size is cuz of women. My feeling is if you can't kill someone 50 feet away with seven rounds an additional seven rounds is kind of pointless. I do like double action simply because you can use it with either hand. I always worried about being wounded and not being able to use both hands.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (vV/gB)

193 I changed my mind about:

1) The War in Iraq / Nation building. Used to think it was a good idea. I still think Saddam had it coming but I think we should have obliterated Iraq for orbit then left. Screw nation building for people who can't appreciate what freedom actually means.

2) Marijuana legalization. I used to be staunchly anti-weed after seeing what it had done to a close friend of mine growing up. Now I don't give a shit. Go get high if you want, just keep it out of my house and contain the God-awful stink and I don't care.

Posted by: Defenestratus at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (yG6Vk)

194 181 First vote I ever cast for president was for Carter. I've never voted for a Dem since, not even for city council.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (O5Q3r)

People were getting high back then, huh ??

Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (VWsDy)

195
I am still for the death penalty, but in much fewer cases now. Like the recent illegal immigrant that laughed at killing police officers and called them cowards in court and laughed at their families.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (r+sAi)

196 Also, I used to be in favor of maximum prison sentences, three-strikes-and-you're-out laws, taking away sentencing discretion from judges, etc.

Now I see these hyper-aggressive prosecutors throwing every charge they can at somebody the police have arrested, withholding exculpatory evidence, etc.

So I don't know if voting for these things was a good thing.
............
OM - It is the wildly varying application of these policy changes from one jurisdiction to another that really has made me skeptical of across the board sentencing guidelines.

But not only these kind of policies.. prosecutors swing the other way as well and make our cities less safe..

For instance.. drug dealers.. very often they are also hit with gun possession/use charges in addition to their drug charges. The two combined can put these violent thugs away for many years..

But to get an easy conviction, prosecutors will deal away the gun charges for a plea to drug possession. So, a violent drug dealer goes away for a year when he should be in jail for much of his adult life. When he gets out, he's back to his old tricks..

And this fuels the libtard argument that our prisons are filled with non-violent drug offenders..

makes me fucking mental..

So.. law enforcement in general has taken a big hit for me.. like others above, I used to be 100% behind them.. but with cell phone videos available, I am no longer willing to give an LEO the benefit of the doubt that he/she is one of the "good guys". and, that is sad..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (5tSKk)

197
I haven't really changed my mind on Trump. I thought it was way past-due for a businessperson to take charge and correct the wrongs that have festered for almost two decades. Didn't care for him personally, not a huge fan of New Yorkers. I've only had dealings with possibly one hundred NYers in my lifetime, but they've all rubbed me the wrong way in matters of class, polish, demeanor, attitude, disposition, values, whatever you want to call it. It's like their internal clocks have to run faster because of so many living in such small real estate.

I didn't expect Trump to be much different. So I don't particularly care for him or think of him as some sort of exemplary human being, but he's a fine President who I believe is doing good things. I'd vote for him for a second term. While grimacing at every sordid detail of his private life that the press is going to dig up. They can dig, but his supporters will dig in harder, I believe. The press just doesn't 'get this'. We know their game. If they occasionally applied their dirt-digging to a Democrat they might have some credence, but no, never.

Going back to NYers, I've never met NGU, JJ, or CBD, (who I think are all from the city or it's environs) but I imagine they're probably the rare exceptions. Or maybe they live far enough from the epicenter to have clearer heads.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 12:59 PM (LOgQ4)

198 I didn't come around to Trump until he had the nomination sewed up, but now am a big supporter and actually enjoy his Tweeting and decisions.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 12:59 PM (aC6Sd)

199 I once believed that foreign adventures via US intervention were potentially a good thing and might stabilize major portions of the world. Then, I realized that no matter how such adventures are started, eventually an America hating progressive/Democrat will be elected President and screw up any gains won so dearly at a huge cost in US blood and treasure.

Somewhat later, I realized that the Republican Party is virtually indistinguishable from the progressive/Democrats although there are usually one or two National level Republicans that possess some level of integrity!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 15, 2018 12:59 PM (n9EOP)

200 I used to think corporations were our friends... or at least would predictably appeal to customers instead of go all-in for SJW moralizing. Especially if they rely on popular goodwill like the entertainment industry.

Boy, that fell apart. Along with the central conceit of libertarianism. That knowledge makes it terribly hard to give money to Hollywood or the NFL... and makes it imperative to have some sort of counter balance.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2018 01:00 PM (jRA31)

201 Back in the day I recall Chuck Colson warning conservative Christians that the Republican Party was just using them. I remember being annoyed with him for saying it.

Now I realize that, if anything, he understated the depth of the betrayal.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 01:00 PM (g5YYQ)

202 Death penalty is fine for unambiguous atrocious cases, like Dylann Roof. Let the jury decide the sentence in these cases. On the other hand, I think we should have squeezed more out of McVeigh before killing him.

Posted by: gp at April 15, 2018 01:00 PM (mk9aG)

203 For my mother it was Billy Jeff Clinton that made her a conservative.
Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at April 15, 2018 12:51 PM (hv6Rz)

Hopefully for his political actions like selling us out to the Chinese, more than his personal life. SoCons can easily be persuaded to sit out crucial elections if the media can concoct some sort of dossier-like "scandal".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 01:00 PM (/qEW2)

204 rejection of low radius, reduced kickback chainsaw bars and safety chain remains steadfast.
Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (MVjcR)

Well, yeah. A pair of Stihl kevlar chaps obviate the need for all that cumbersome crap.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 01:00 PM (UiRxW)

205 183
Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2018 12:55 PM (O5Q3r)

You changed your mind about commenting ??

Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2018 01:01 PM (VWsDy)

206 Hopefully, we will never be fooled again. A long-term war effort will never work. We can only think short-term, as they will always abandon any long-term effort and just make things worse than they were.

Yeah, and more specifically on topic, the behavior of the Democratic Party regarding the Iraq war was what changed my mind from "loyal opposition with mistaken viewpoints" to "hateful traitors who will do anything to destroy everything I hold dear and stand for."

Democrats aren't an American party with a different perspective. They are enemies of the state.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (39g3+)

207 I used to be anti abortion. Then I realized people with so little faith ought not to be having children. I have become much more selfish with regards to who my son has to share the world with. Given the socialist state, I don't want my son to be a slave to the dysfunctional.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (vV/gB)

208 The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was one I changed my mind on. I was convinced it was deliberate. Even based some of my actions while aboard a warship in the Eastern Med on that attack.

The reason for the attack on the USS Liberty was a lack of coordination between the Israeli Navy and the Israeli Air Force. The Operation centers of each service were neither co-located nor communicating.

The Israeli Air Force attack, to help out their Navy, was a friendly fire incident. Plenty of historical precedents, as Air Force pilots of every nation tend to have poor ship ID skills. The IAF attacked the wrong ship by mistake. Confirmation bias took over from there.

The US flag was not a factor in warding off the attacks.   

The best book, and one that convinced me after years of thinking otherwise, is the well researched The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Israeli Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship by Jay Cristol {former USN pilot and JAG} (2002). ISBN 1-57488-414-X.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (hyuyC)

209 204. And will come in handy in colander facemask and thermos codpiece times.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (fA1SL)

210 Going back to NYers, I've never met NGU, JJ, or CBD, (who I think are all from the city or it's environs) but I imagine they're probably the rare exceptions. Or maybe they live far enough from the epicenter to have clearer heads.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 12:59 PM (LOgQ4)

++++

CBD is from NJ, I believe. So that makes him a failed New Yorker.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (pvjTE)

211 Last time I changed my mind it was between giant Sloar, large moving Torb, or Slavitza Jovan. The rest is history.

Posted by: Gozer at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (QJeMR)

212 206 Hopefully, we will never be fooled again

YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:03 PM (NWiLs)

213 For me.....the huge one is 9/11. Liberal through and through......watched tv all day and at about noon the media started blaming America. Turned 180 degrees and have never looked back. Also the last day I have ever watched the today show

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:03 PM (mMeIQ)

214 202 Death penalty is fine for unambiguous atrocious cases, like Dylann Roof. Let the jury decide the sentence in these cases. On the other hand, I think we should have squeezed more out of McVeigh before killing him.
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Recall, McVeigh targeted the building because of the FBI. He may have been prescient in his targeting.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:04 PM (vV/gB)

215 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 12:55 PM (/qEW2)

I agree that redemption does not equate (nor should) with avoiding punishment or consequences. My thinking is that life imprisonment can give one more time to contemplate one's actions and lead to a true acknowledgment of one's sins and ultimate redemption.

I don't criticize the opposing view. It's my personal belief.

Posted by: RS at April 15, 2018 01:04 PM (CNQqJ)

216 Yeah, changing my mind on the Iraq war thing was a doozy. Why in the world I ever thought that a society at war for a thousand years would change because we intervened was not optimal thinking.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 12:55 PM (r+sAi)

After 9/11 I thought the idea of striking Iraq was fine, as it would be a retaliation, without us needing to go through all the nonsense of going to the UN and the rest of that.

I let the Bushies convince me there was something to that nation-building business, and even bought into the idea that they knew more than the rest of us about what Saddam was up to with his WMD.

Even when Powell got on tv and laid out his flimsy case, I thought "they have more than that, they're just not showing their true intel."

So yeah, my initial concept, I've come back to that. Never again will I trust any government entity that says "trust us."

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2018 01:04 PM (Pz4pT)

217 Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2018 12:44 PM (MVjcR)

I have a Stihl 880 that the head compression grabbed my shoulder on a crank. Took about 6 months to heal

Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2018 01:04 PM (VWsDy)

218 Marijuana legalization. I used to be staunchly anti-weed after seeing what it had done to a close friend of mine growing up.

I have also reluctantly changed my mind on pot. Its bad idea, it makes you stupid, it stinks, and I personally saw what it did to family and friends. But we live in a free country where you should be free to be stupid and self-destructive if that's what you choose. I saw what booze did to people I loved, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:04 PM (39g3+)

219 I used to think Obama would be fine once he was out of office and out of power.

I now think he should be executed for crimes against the American people and the world at large.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at April 15, 2018 01:04 PM (hv6Rz)

220 I used to think God loved and cared about Creation and people. Believed it for years and years. Now, I think he doesn't give a shit.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)

221 190
The problem with the war in Iraq was we trusted the Democrats. We
thought that because most of them signed on for it, we had a partnership
for the long-term effort there. But, they were just biding their time.
They knew the politics of the moment required them signing on, but they
started to undermine the effort as soon as it was politically feasible.
What was never part of their calculations was what was best for Iraq or
the USA. Only how they could work the politics to their own advantage.

Hopefully, we will never be fooled again. A long-term war effort
will never work. We can only think short-term, as they will always
abandon any long-term effort and just make things worse than they were.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (pvjTE)

I was cussing Bush up and down because he pushed that vote schedule to just ahead of the election to embarrass the Democrats. Sure, most of them voted for it, then reversed themselves as soon as the election was over. Had a big argument with my older brother at his son's wedding reception over us going into Iraq. I reminded him of how the Demonrats yanked all support for South Vietnam and let the communists have it after we hot 50K troops killed and spent trillions. I said never again after that. And what happened?

Obama pulled everything from Iraq as soon as he got in office and let the muzzies have it back.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 01:05 PM (mpXpK)

222 As a young man thought abortion was a necessary evil, later in life realized it is just evil.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 01:05 PM (aC6Sd)

223 210 Going back to NYers, I've never met NGU, JJ, or CBD, (who I think are all from the city or it's environs) but I imagine they're probably the rare exceptions. Or maybe they live far enough from the epicenter to have clearer heads.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 12:59 PM (LOgQ4)

++++

CBD is from NJ, I believe. So that makes him a failed New Yorker.
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I used to live in Rahway, NJ. Then I moved. Believe it or not, NJ has gotten worse since the late 80s.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:05 PM (vV/gB)

224 So as I said way up near top I change my mind almost every day

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 01:06 PM (aC6Sd)

225 222 As a young man thought abortion was a necessary evil, later in life realized it is just evil.
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 01:05 PM (aC6Sd)

I was always pro-life from the moment I learned what abortion was. My positions have become more hard-core as I've gotten older.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:06 PM (NWiLs)

226 Last time I changed my mind it was between giant Sloar, large moving Torb, or Slavitza Jovan.

Many shubs and zouls were roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:06 PM (39g3+)

227 I have decided that the Death Penalty shouldn't be widely applied - but I still see no argument against it in the case of killers such as Dylann Roof or the Ft. Hood shooter, where after they were arrested they both basically said "Yeah I killed all those people, and I'm glad I killed all those people, and if you let me out I'll probably kill more people."

There really are some cases where there is absolutely no doubt at all as to the facts of the matter - the two I just mentioned are a couple of them. When there is not even a possibility of a doubt, then I think it is still justified.

People don't yet quite grasp that if we refuse to invoke the death penalty when it's justified, we create a societal situation (which is already growing) in which it is better for all of us if a cop will just go ahead and kill a suspect on sight rather then arresting him. That's how most 3rd world police agencies function, but we shouldn't let ourselves get pushed there just because we're too squeamish to accept doing what must be done sometimes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 01:07 PM (V2Yro)

228 In case you missed it in the sidebar.......

Cinco de Quattro Colorado Morondevous
Saturday May 5th

Now with door prizes

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:07 PM (mMeIQ)

229 I once believed power corrupted linearly. Now I know it corrupts exponentially.

Sorry about the math.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 15, 2018 01:07 PM (e1mEI)

230 An opinion that has been formed from emotion or feeling, cannot be changed by logic, facts or reason. That's why liberalism is what it is.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (l9m7l)

231 My position and feelings about the Clinton's and the Obama's has never wavered. Nope. Not once.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (tcwn1)

232 Now with door prizes
Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:07 PM (mMeIQ)

Cool. I could use a new door.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (Mkuv2)

233 RE: The death penalty, I'm in the "we need to be very careful when its used, and absolutely certain" camp. We clearly cannot trust prosecutors or cops, sadly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (39g3+)

234 For my mother it was Billy Jeff Clinton that made her a conservative.

That did it for me. Seeing that guy getting not only a full pass but celebration from the Left made me sure they were completely depraved and only interested in power.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (oVJmc)

235 The politicization of the judiciary to the current extent is another thing I would have thought impossible a while back. I was taught in school that lifetime appointments would insulate them from political pressure, but that doesn't work when activists worm their way in.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (/qEW2)

236 I've changed my mind about single moms. I know there are some cases where the marriage just isn't working, but in general, I think kids deserve to have both parents in their lives. I was raised by a single mom but I think that having my grandfather in my life saved me from a lot of the problems fatherless girls have.

And I question whether women should have the vote

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (Lqy/e)

237 I change my mind often. And not just in the silly woman ways of "I think I'll wear this, NO this." Trump is the biggest example. I went from "he is just running for R nom to help the Dems" to " well if he wins he'll be better than Hillary but he is a NYC liberal and wants to expand gub'mint handouts (Ivanka's RNC speech)" to "WOW, this man is actively shrinking bloated gub'mint agencies and appointing conservative judges"

It is mentioned in comments above that Trump himself changes his mind often. I think a willingness to change one's mind when new information shows up is a very important good character aspect.

Look at the AGW scam. I initially bought into it. Scientists that worked at the same agency as I did were pushing it and my boss in a non climate study subgroup was meticulously honest. But then I found the WUWT blog, and there was the email hack that showed that key top players in that field were suppressing all papers that didn't advance their narrative.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (84F5k)

238 My wife changes my mind on things all the time. Don't tell Hillary.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Dog Walker at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (rBnYq)

239 I used to be anti abortion. Then I realized people with so little faith ought not to be having children.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (vV/gB)

My brother-in-law's parents were hard-core, prominent atheists. He became a conservative Evangelical Christian, and his sister became a Catholic. I know other people who were raised by devout, wonderful Christians who grew up to become full-blown leftists.

Killing children in the womb won't solve the problems of our society.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 01:09 PM (g5YYQ)

240 233 RE: The death penalty, I'm in the "we need to be very careful when its used, and absolutely certain" camp. We clearly cannot trust prosecutors or cops, sadly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (39g3+)

That sums up my opinion. I used to be all gung-ho about it. Now I'm far more circumspect.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:09 PM (NWiLs)

241 I am no longer a conservative.

What I really am is a pragmatist. History teaches all too well what does not work. I want thing to work.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 15, 2018 01:09 PM (hyuyC)

242 Lol Pug! You could win

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:09 PM (mMeIQ)

243 Apparently guerrilla street artist Sabo has been banned from Twitter, permanently.

http://tinyurl.com/ycdll7oy

Given his style I cannot imagine why they would think this would
keep him away. He'll just come back with another name and keep doing
what he does.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM (39g3+)

Breitbart should get him a platform and bring all of his followers over to them.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2018 01:09 PM (0QYMt)

244
There are two opinions needed on iraq. Going in the first place and whether to stay once we were there.

On the second, I don't like creating political vacuums because they invariably get filled with bad actors.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 01:10 PM (r+sAi)

245
Hopefully, we will never be fooled again.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2018 12:58 PM

Hopefully, I will find a pot of gold in my back yard.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2018 01:10 PM (IqV8l)

246 204. And will come in handy in colander facemask and thermos codpiece times.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (fA1SL)

Ha! Didn't think of that. Added value!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 01:11 PM (UiRxW)

247 I too have changed my mind on Trump and might be doing so again. Before the election I figured he'd mirror his upbringing and be at best a Rockefeller Republican. His first year showed him to have the makings of a great President. However, this recent trade war bullshit is starting to make me reconsider. It depends on if this is a philosophical point for him or just a gambit.

I'm also in the process of changing my mind about free trade with China. Back in the '90's when we were debating giving them permanent MFN status one of the arguments in favor was that increased interaction between us would encourage them to adopt our values. Now it seems that the reverse has happened. After all, once you've censored the Tienanmen protests from google.cn, it's not that much harder to censor PragerU.

Posted by: Jeff Gauch at April 15, 2018 01:11 PM (uXynP)

248 Notsothoreau......lol....me too!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:11 PM (mMeIQ)

249 As a carpenter door prize could be
Brass door knocker
Eye peep
New hinges
Lever set
Dead bolt
Weather stripping
Window

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 01:12 PM (aC6Sd)

250 "When were you persuaded that your initial opinion -- of anything -- was simply incorrect?"

I actually did not believe that Trump would win. I was pleasantly surprised. But, that left me with a question concerning my belief that Presidential elections in the US are determined far in advance. That leaves me with the question: Is Trump really an outsider, or is he just there to perform the mission his superiors chose for him?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at April 15, 2018 01:12 PM (9BLnV)

251 I changed my mind about Trump.
I initially thought he was a buffoon. I do not think that any more.

I also changed my mind about Clarence Thomas.
I was initially indifferent/slightly hostile to him, thanks to my ignorance and the MFM. I now think he is pretty much awesome.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2018 01:12 PM (8iiMU)

252 241 I am no longer a conservative.

What I really am is a pragmatist. History teaches all too well what does not work. I want thing to work.
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You are a modern. There are very few of us left.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:12 PM (vV/gB)

253 Add me to the group that changed their minds on the Iraq war and neo-con arguments for creating democracies. You can't create democracy in countries that don't want it without pounding them into the ground first and ruling them for 10 years or more.
Containment, I suppose, is a better policy, perhaps with some attempts to turn a sadistic thug dictator into something else with the idea of keeping him from pounding various people in his country into dust after they p1ss him off and eventually getting him to lighten up on things, or to stop him from becoming Putin's, Xi's or Iran's sock puppet. We may have had a chance of doing this with Qaddafi in Libya at one point in time after he announced giving up his WMD program in 2003. Libya would be one less failed state.

Also, I go back and forth on the death penalty. We see too many cases of violent crimes where the wrong guy is jailed. But as soon as I arrive at the position that life without parole is a better choice there is yet another grisly multiple rape/torture/murder of a child and I'm back to "hangin's too good for 'em".

Posted by: George V at April 15, 2018 01:13 PM (LUHWu)

254 Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 15, 2018 01:09 PM (hyuyC)

This. Results trump ideology every time.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 01:13 PM (cB84n)

255 When Trump won the nomination.

Posted by: real joe at April 15, 2018 01:13 PM (qpClX)

256 I used to actually be a reporter. Now I despise 97.2% of the media.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:13 PM (eAMlh)

257 Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:07 PM (mMeIQ)

Thanks for putting it together... looking forward to it!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 01:14 PM (UiRxW)

258
Iraq--the basic premise was okay, but the successor could not possibly have been a worse person to administer and concoct policy.

Vietnam should have pointed out the problem that was destined to happen.

I'd hoped to live my life out in quiet anonymous peace, looks like that may have been an error.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 01:14 PM (S/hVx)

259 Someone should start a Banned from Twitter Twooter Site.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:14 PM (vV/gB)

260 I never change my mind and I'm always correct.
Don't cross me....ever.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at April 15, 2018 01:15 PM (OBeut)

261 256 I used to actually be a reporter. Now I despise 97.2% of the media.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:13 PM (eAMlh)

+++

Yup. Not the used to be a reporter part, unless you count grade-school newspaper.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:16 PM (tcwn1)

262 Tom Servo

A strong civilization needs strong standards. Without standards we are savages.

The Death Penalty is part of strong standards and we can get it right today, if we choose to.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 15, 2018 01:16 PM (hyuyC)

263 I used to think M*A*S*H was the funniest, best show on TV and cried when the last show ran because it was so touching and powerful.

Now I think it was one of the worst shows ever put on television and 90% of their gags were swiped from far better and more talented comedians.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:16 PM (39g3+)

264 Until I listened to Tom Petty I thought I had to live like a refugee.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:16 PM (NWiLs)

265 Glad you can join the festivities Yud!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:16 PM (mMeIQ)

266 Maybe one of the reasons I'm not a lefty any more was the collapse of the Soviet Union. It had always been there (at least for my lifetime) and people thought that would never change. One day, it was gone. It's hard to stay with a rigid mentality when you see changes like that.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 01:16 PM (Lqy/e)

267 I was an Econ/Math major and bought into Free Trade uber alles. So I thought Perot was a kook. It made me a fanboi of Paul Ryan, who I told my kids would be President some day. I became an unwitting Globalist. I'm so ashamed!

Free Trade works in the lab, but not when your neighbor doesn't have a good paying job. I became a Nationalist in the 2008 campaign and cried for a somewhat Right of Center Populist.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 15, 2018 01:17 PM (pV/54)

268 And when you have 15+1 in the gun (always top off) and a 21 round reload, compared to 8+1 and two spare 8s, you can afford to throw an insurance round or two

-

That's been one of my big changes, too.

The Federal HST is a big reason for it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at April 15, 2018 01:17 PM (ks6bw)

269 Damn, I may have to turn on the A/C just to get the humidity down. It is overcast here and has been all day. It is now 80F inside with a humidity of 65%.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 01:17 PM (mpXpK)

270 I used to think lots of old rock songs were touching love songs and now realize after looking at the lyrics that they were mostly about getting laid, or trying to convince a woman they betrayed and cheated on that she should take them back

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:17 PM (39g3+)

271 Someone should start a Banned from Twitter Twooter Site.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:14 PM (vV/gB)

They did, it's called "gab," I think.

I haven't checked it out, because I was never into twitter, either.

My understanding is its pretty cool, freer speech, etc. Downsides being a much smaller user base, a much higher percentage of which are undesirable (neo-Nazis, etc). I guess that's probably to be expected, though, at least early on.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 01:18 PM (UiRxW)

272 Until I listened to Tom Petty I thought I had to live like a refugee.

I know, right? It turns out you don't have to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:18 PM (39g3+)

273
Permanent MFN trading status for China was at least one "great idea" I didn't fall for.

However, the consequences have been even worse than I imagined.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 01:19 PM (g5YYQ)

274 MeWe is a decent alternate to Twitter/Facebook as well. Its fairly small but has a nice bunch of features.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:19 PM (39g3+)

275 263 I used to think M*A*S*H was the funniest, best show on TV and cried when the last show ran because it was so touching and powerful.

Now I think it was one of the worst shows ever put on television and 90% of their gags were swiped from far better and more talented comedians.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:16 PM (39g3+)

+++

That reminds me of Catcher in the Rye. Thought that book was the absolute best. When my son had to read it in school, I picked it up and began to read it once more.
Just about hurled it across the room. It is simply awful.
Horrible. Terrible. Puke worthy nonsense.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:20 PM (tcwn1)

276 Before Trump thought the FBI was like Efrim Zimbalist Jr's FBI, now I know they are the police state of the Democrat party.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 01:20 PM (aC6Sd)

277 I used to like Pink Floyd's The Wall. I still like much of the music, but I find the lyrics whiny, insipid, and self-pitying.

Wish You Were Here is still a masterpiece, though.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 01:20 PM (cB84n)

278 Its fairly small but has a nice bunch of features.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:19 PM (39g3+)

In many ways, this is the story of alexthechick.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 01:20 PM (y87Qq)

279 CBD is from NJ, I believe. So that makes him a failed New Yorker.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (pvjTE)

NY-->MI-->NY-->CA-->NJ

[You are now on my list. The one in ink!]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2018 01:21 PM (wYseH)

280 Before the election I figured he'd mirror his upbringing and be at best a Rockefeller Republican.
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That is how I think he will leave this world.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 15, 2018 01:21 PM (qJtVm)

281
I'm still pro-death penalty. But the evidence has to be total. No equivocation whatsoever. For a select few offenses. Two votes, one for guilt/innocence. Second vote for death. A complete check-list of items need to be ticked off for it to be enacted.

There actually are some crimes so heinous that society needs to let criminals know they will not escape with their lives if they commit. A jail term for someone otherwise becomes a lifetime of 'three hots and a cot' at taxpayer expense. While murderers get love notes from sick women and endless ACLU lawfare against taxpayers.

Nitrogen administration/oxygen deprivation as means. Quick, painless, permanent.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 01:21 PM (LOgQ4)

282
177 Now saying GD is completely acceptable in public around anyone, and cotton-picken is blasphemous.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 12:52 PM (39g3+)

I f'n ~love~ when it's censored on broadcast and 'God' is the bit that gets elided.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 12:54 PM (y87Qq)

Watch a commercial broadcast of Blazing Saddles. It's like my 8 track audio that used to cut out at random just before it died.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 15, 2018 01:22 PM (e1mEI)

283 Fed the nuke war propaganda growing up and believed
it. Then I discovered talk radio in 1995. My Dodge Omni only had AM.
Best thing that ever happened to me.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 15, 2018 12:12 PM (mzWTV)
______________________________________________________I remember believing that the all powerful Soviet Union would roll up our pitifully weak Army in Europe, and knock our big, expensive f-15s out of the sky with their superior Migs and Sukhois.
As I got older, and into my late teens and early 20s, I realized that the American media was in love with communism and the USSR, and hated America, and that none of that was true.
The bleating about not having enough body-bags to fill with dead American troops during the Gulf War due to superior equipment and tactics (Soviet) of the Iraqi army probably helped.

Posted by: elliot at April 15, 2018 01:22 PM (D+Jl9)

284 I always thought Tom Petty wanted to be in the Byrds. I've never changed that opinion. I like him, though.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:22 PM (vV/gB)

285 My opinion of law enforcement has changed drastically over the last several years.

Posted by: Thursby at April 15, 2018 01:22 PM (WVn9a)

286 279 CBD is from NJ, I believe. So that makes him a failed New Yorker.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2018 01:02 PM (pvjTE)

NY-->MI-->NY-->CA-->NJ

[You are now on my list. The one in ink!]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2018 01:21 PM (wYseH)

+++

LOL!

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:22 PM (tcwn1)

287 "Look at the AGW scam. I initially bought into it. "

Me too. I knew the politics were bent, but thought there must be something to the science. Silly rabbit!

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 15, 2018 01:23 PM (pV/54)

288 253 Add me to the group that changed their minds on the Iraq war and neo-con arguments for creating democracies. You can't create democracy in countries that don't want it without pounding them into the ground first and ruling them for 10 years or more.
Posted by: George V at April 15, 2018 01:13 PM (LUHWu)

Not only that, but "democracy" is not something we should want. It is not a stable form of government and the Founders wanted nothing to do with it. They carefully crafted the American system of government so that it would *not* be a pure democracy.

But for the past 200+ years, America has steadily moved away from a republic to a democracy. Case in point: Why should welfare recipients be allowed to vote? They are incapable of running their own lives, so why should they have any say in running mine?

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 01:23 PM (sdi6R)

289 Dark chocolate.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 01:24 PM (g5YYQ)

290 Shep Smith is the knobgobbler of little minds, adored by statesmen, cucks and cupcakes

Posted by: Bill Bradski at April 15, 2018 01:24 PM (sfqlT)

291 My other has been everything having an extremely special needs child has taught me. I'm no longer immediately critical of a parent with a child crying in the next aisle over.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at April 15, 2018 01:24 PM (ks6bw)

292 287 "Look at the AGW scam. I initially bought into it. "

Me too. I knew the politics were bent, but thought there must be something to the science. Silly rabbit!
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 15, 2018 01:23 PM (pV/54)

I blew it off as bullshit for the sole reason that every other predicted environmental crisis, without exception, turned out to be bullshit.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:24 PM (NWiLs)

293 I went to church, got there late, the parking lot was jammed and so I changed my mind and went for coffee instead.
I haven't changed my faith and I won't change my church.
I think I never wanted a tattoo but changed my mind and now have one.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:25 PM (eAMlh)

294
I used to think I couldn't be sympathetic to someone who was a teacher for 17 years and couldn't read.

Yet here I am.

http://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43700153

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 01:25 PM (r+sAi)

295 Hmmm...I have been persuaded here on issues where I am not well-informed. As I've gotten older I've become cynical by default, so it's nice to see another take and/or see additional info that shakes me out of cynical mode

- - - -
>>And, more importantly, abortion. I was pretty strongly pro-choice, until Kermit Gosnel helped me come to Jesus.

On this issue, it was getting pregnant that took me from pro-choice (without wanting to think too much about the details) to pro-life. Specifically, having several diagnoses about my kid from 17-20 weeks, with determination that he had heart defects (and nothing more, phew!) that required some major work. I also felt him move for the first time during this period. We were informed we had "options" and realized no, I am not God, and that it really wasn't my choice. Our choices were getting the best care we could find. Many years later I still shudder at the thought that we could have chosen to simply take a do-over.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2018 01:26 PM (W+vEI)

296 That reminds me of Catcher in the Rye. Thought that book was the absolute best. When my son had to read it in school, I picked it up and began to read it once more.
Just about hurled it across the room. It is simply awful.
Horrible. Terrible. worthy nonsense.
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Yep. Salinger is so over rated. I think English HS teachers are taught him and a few others as respectable short books for kids in college. There are so many good writers that would appeal to 7th graders yet the teachers, they persist.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:26 PM (vV/gB)

297 I knew that AGW was motivated by anti-capitalism from the get-go.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 01:26 PM (sdi6R)

298 Case in point: Why should welfare recipients be allowed to vote? They are incapable of running their own lives, so why should they have any say in running mine?
Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 01:23 PM (sdi6R)

Hey look, a topic on which my opinion happens to have changed.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 01:26 PM (y87Qq)

299 Back in '08 I didn't pay much attention to politics and thought Obama would probably want to keep a low profile and be moderate, as he was a historic "first" and wouldn't want to rock the boat. Within a few weeks that changed and I got "woke".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 01:27 PM (/qEW2)

300 21
When younger I thought of myself as a liberal. Even voted for Bill
Clinton once. But just weeks after his election I began to reconsider,
and when I started listening to Limbaugh in 1994 I realized I was never
actually a liberal, just been calling myself one.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at April 15, 2018 12:18 PM (Mkuv2)
______________________________I have had friends and relatives who espoused very conservative beliefs, but hated Republicans. I think they still believed that the Democrat party was the party of JFK.

Posted by: elliot at April 15, 2018 01:27 PM (D+Jl9)

301 I blew it off as bullshit for the sole reason that every other predicted environmental crisis, without exception, turned out to be bullshit.

Yeah if I had been younger, I'd have probably bought into it (I had earlier scares) but after decades watching hysterical prediction after frantic nonsense turn out to be lies, I was not buying into another one without overwhelming evidence.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:27 PM (39g3+)

302 " I always thought Tom Petty wanted to be in the Byrds."

Can you say Rickenbacker?

My sister saw him open for Roger McGuinn at the 400 seat Bottom Line. McGuinn brought him out to join in the main set.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 15, 2018 01:27 PM (pV/54)

303 I used to believe 50-yr-olds were old. I've changed my mind, they're young.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:27 PM (eAMlh)

304 Yep. Salinger is so over rated.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:26 PM (vV/gB)

Agreed.

But...he wrote a few short stories that I think are much better than Catcher In The Rye.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2018 01:28 PM (wYseH)

305 I used to think Trump's tweets could be unPresidential and too prolific, now I think they're hilarious and perfectly Presidential for this day and age.

His Comey tweets this morning are a classic example of why he needs to keep tweeting. LOL

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 01:28 PM (+dsLj)

306 Test

Posted by: Ann at April 15, 2018 01:28 PM (nWM2V)

307 297 I knew that AGW was motivated by anti-capitalism from the get-go.
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Yep. Me too. Knowing history helps winnow the shit from the shinola.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:28 PM (vV/gB)

308
With all the mind/opinion changing going on, it's necessary to remind everyone of an immutable truth.

Because of our political underpinnings and the faithful adherence to them we've been allowed to flourish to the extent of being the most exceptional country on the planet, populated by an extraordinary people.

We are called Americans.

And NO argument to the contrary will be entertained.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 01:28 PM (S/hVx)

309 I used to assume that people who were homeless were just lazy. At the time, one of my coworkers inherited some really marginal properties from his father, nothing but shacks, that his father rented out to people. The coworker refused to rent out one of the shacks, because he was afraid someone would put their foot through the floor, it was in such bad shape. People called him night and day, begging to rent that property, because they had no where else to go. That was eye-opening to me. Now whenever I see someone pushing petitions to stop some low-income housing from being built, I just walk by.

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 feet CO at April 15, 2018 01:29 PM (Nrxta)

310 I used to believe 50-yr-olds were old. I've changed my mind, they're young.

**************************

I used to think being 29 was too young. Now I think it's just the right age.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 01:29 PM (+dsLj)

311 Case in point: Why should welfare recipients be allowed to vote? They are incapable of running their own lives, so why should they have any say in running mine?

Related, I used to think that allowing only land owners to vote was shockingly elitist and wrong.

Now I understand the wisdom in this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:29 PM (39g3+)

312 G.W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney, the GOP in general. They are the enemies of freedom, economic success, and national continuity of our constitutional Republic. They often say the right things, but actions speak louder than words. The change in my opinion came in steps as the GOP betrayed us in steps. As thet were given more and more of the government, their explanations for why they couldn't do what they said they would do became more and more lame and outlandish.

Discovering that the same greasy Republican consultants ran both the McCain and Romney presidential campaigns was the last of many straws. These are the con artists who threw Sarah Palin under the bus in '08 to excuse their own incompetence. Yet there they were again in '12, squandering money and clearly not caring if their candidate won or lost.

I suspect many here had the same experience.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at April 15, 2018 01:29 PM (Jq4kf)

313 I've also become very anti death penalty as I age. It's too merciful.

A life without books, TV, pens, paper, heat, AC, electric lights etc. is my preference now. No fancy meals, either. Fruits and veggies and water.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at April 15, 2018 01:29 PM (ks6bw)

314 I ONCE HAD SEX WITH A CIGARETTE MACHINE

Posted by: Bill Bradski at April 15, 2018 01:30 PM (sfqlT)

315 When W stood at the podium during his nomination, acceptance speech and said "And when congress sends me a bill banning partial birth abortion, I will sign it into law", a tear came to my eye. Actually a total watering up.

I thought maybe, just maybe, this Apple rolled a long way away from the tree a a change is a comin'.

Didn't last long.

Posted by: teej at April 15, 2018 01:30 PM (ZCD4H)

316 I used to believe 50-yr-olds were old. I've changed my mind, they're young.

Yeah. When my father died at 51, I was 20 years old. Everyone kept talking about how young that was to die, and it baffled me.

Now I'm 52 and I understand. Its not that this is such a young age, its a young age for someone to die of natural causes at.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:31 PM (39g3+)

317 I used to believe 50-yr-olds were old. I've changed my mind, they're young.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:27 PM (eAMlh)

Funny thing about that, huh?

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 01:31 PM (g5YYQ)

318 230--- An opinion that has been formed from emotion or feeling, cannot be changed by logic, facts or reason....
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 15, 2018 01:08 PM (l9m7l)
--------------------------
Yes.
There are some people who are sentimental lefties when very young and then, once they grow up and get some life experience, are forced to think. Those can change.

But there are also a great many who are emotioned-based throughout their lives and simply cannot be reached through facts and logic.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 01:31 PM (0jtPF)

319 I knew that AGW was motivated by anti-capitalism from the get-go.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 01:26 PM

The other side of that very same coin is pro-communism. How else to explain giving China a 30 year head start before they have to do a damn thing? Cripple our economy and let them install a new coal-fired electric plant every day? WTF?

Thankfully, Trump dumped that crap, causing massive global warming this winter. /s

I simply cannot believe the weather map I'm looking at today.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 01:31 PM (LOgQ4)

320 This is OT but yesterday Ace was asking about the "PADAG" mentioned in the IG report. I'm convinced it's a man named William J. Baer. Here's his DOJ bio:
https://tinyurl.com/ybagl5lf

Posted by: Kaner at April 15, 2018 01:32 PM (rR7m4)

321 Let's see. Grew up on the border, *knew* Mexico was our *friend* and ally. Since then, convinced they are an implacable, alien, and hostile nation.

Convinced that the democrats would steal the last election and that the news was reporting at least accurate quotes from Trump that discouraged me from participating. Now I see exactly how far they'll lie whole cloth to kill our Constitutional Republic. Will never trust a journalist with anything but licking dogshit off my boots.

Have been convinced previously that Elmo Musk was a charlatan who was unable to produce a product that could compete in the marketplace so he was solely living off the government. Counterpoint is SpaceX which is both market and government (Tesla is not - it is a parasitical organization that is unable to exist without massive gov't subsidy). SpaceX can sell and does sell to companies. So he's 3/4 parasite, 1/4 businessman. Hey, not a big change but a change nonetheless.

And I've been convinced that New Yorkers can't make a decent hot dog to save their lives - they never put jalapenos on their "best hotdog in the world" examples while sneering at everyone else in the nation. New York food is hot garbage. I used to think "it's on TV, it has to be good." It's provincialism with a media backing. Give me a southwest hotdog with salsa and cheese, leave the mustard for Times Square porno theatre barkers.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 15, 2018 01:32 PM (c1VpD)

322 Building on my first thread comment about Paul Ryan: He just called Comey "a man of integrity".

Just leave now, you worthless sack of shit.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 01:32 PM (cB84n)

323 I was pretty ambivalent about abortion until I got pregnant with my first child. From that point I could no longer look at abortion as any more than killing another human being. And the very worst sort of killing.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:33 PM (tcwn1)

324 How about you? When were you persuaded that your initial opinion -- of anything -- was simply incorrect?

==

who me ?? unpossible !

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:34 PM (bUjCl)

325 Never mind the wag the dog scenario! That was CGI! Russian collusion! Syria! Bombing! Chemical Weapons! Yeaaarrrrhh!

Posted by: This is the Cuck News Network at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (bJ0w+)

326 The biggest issue that I've changed a deeply held belief about is Free Trade - and this was NOT because of Trump, but rather came about when I was pondering why the working classes in the UK supported Brexit so strongly, while the collegiate, professional, and managerial classes were so strongly against it. There was an obvious class division on the issue that transcended political party.

Before this, I had read enough economics to believe strongly that unfettered "Free Trade" was net good, and also I believed that it benefited all classes of society. What I came to believe while working to understand the Brexit vote was that "Free Trade" and "Open Borders" strongly benefits the professional and managerial classes - they are never going to face competition for their own jobs, and THEIR costs of living will go down as costs in general go down. For the managerial/professional class, "Free Trade" is a great benefit with no downside.

BUT for the working class, it isn't the same. These are the people who face job losses from both immigration and from the export of working class jobs, and who experience wage stagnation even if they keep their jobs. Since they don't have nearly as much disposable income, they are not benefited by even lower prices nearly so much as the wealthy professionals are. Working class costs are going to be primarily food, housing, and transportation, and the second two are going to be especially localized in nature and probably driven higher by an increased population and increased competition.

So, what I realized was that the question about "Free Trade" was not whether it was "good" or not; it was which class do you wish to support, the professional/managerial/business class, or the working class? Somewhere along the way, Trump figured this out as well, since this was at the heart of his appeal to Rust Belt America.

To this day, Paul Ryan and his fellow travelers still don't understand this.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

327 I's say if I changed my opinion on anything, it was an evolution in my thinking, rather see revolution - "OMG, I ams so wrong !!!"

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (bUjCl)

328 I was pro-choice. I am no longer. The reason being quite simple. That reason is now 13 and the greatest love/joy I have ever known. I used to think I knew what love was. Until she was born I didn't know shit it turned out.

Posted by: Son of Sam the butcher at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (VJBq9)

329 >>I used to think Trump's tweets could be unPresidential and too prolific, now I think they're hilarious and perfectly Presidential for this day and age.

Yeah, I was sure that his tweet-spats would be his downfall during the primaries. Had seen his twitter feuds over the years, so it seemed obvious he would pop off and tweet something nasty. He did -- and then he was never shamed into quitting. Scott Adams insight on all of this was a revelation.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (W+vEI)

330 This is OT but yesterday Ace was asking about the
"PADAG" mentioned in the IG report. I'm convinced it's a man named
William J. Baer. Here's his DOJ bio:

https://tinyurl.com/ybagl5lf

Posted by: Kaner at April 15, 2018 01:32 PM (rR7m4)

Look at his wiki: https://tinyurl.com/y7emknxd
Particularly, look at the McClendon case. Very Clinton-esque.

Posted by: Bert G at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (yzxic)

331 rather than..

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:36 PM (bUjCl)

332 I used to be undecided about global warming. Then, hockey stick. I realized government scientists can be as corrupt as scientists working for the tobacco or high fructose corn syrup lobbies. And finally, you can tell it's a pseudo science just by reading the news, since they keep changing their theories when their predictions fail. It's a clown show. "We will soon have warm, snowless winters". "This record cold winter was actually caused by global warming".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 01:36 PM (/qEW2)

333 Gotta get ready to hit the road for a 2+ hour drive in a couple hours.
Classes and another certification test Mon - Wed.

Travel prayers if you would for those so inclined?
Some brain prayers wouldn't hurt either.
Yeah. Better add that.

NaCly, I'll give a wave north as I pass the Manhattan exit.

Posted by: teej at April 15, 2018 01:36 PM (ZCD4H)

334 The topic reminds me of a line about an obnoxious local in an early MASH book.

"She was seldom correct but never unsure."

Posted by: JTB at April 15, 2018 01:36 PM (V+03K)

335 Huh, last time Heidi and I had a disagreement, I thought for sure this time I was right but I found I was mistaken again.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 15, 2018 01:37 PM (o7tuA)

336 Building on my first thread comment about Paul Ryan: He just called Comey "a man of integrity".

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What a fucking twat waffling Eddie Munster faced vile piss headed vat of human shit of fuckery.

No solidarity whatsoever, if you disagree with the President of your own FUCKING party, STFU and convey those disagreements in private, asshole.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 01:37 PM (+dsLj)

337 To this day, Paul Ryan and his fellow travelers still don't understand this.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

They understand fine. They chose a side, and it's not ours.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 01:37 PM (cB84n)

338 New York food is hot garbage. I used to think "it's on TV, it has to be good." It's provincialism with a media backing.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 15, 2018 01:32 PM (c1VpD)

Pastrami on rye with Ba-tampte and a half sour with an egg cream on the side owns, sorry.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 01:38 PM (y87Qq)

339 "She was seldom correct but never unsure."
Posted by: JTB at April 15, 2018 01:36 PM (V+03K)

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That describes Nancy Pelosi to a "T".

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:38 PM (tcwn1)

340 I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980. But a lot of young dopes like myself did.
The last major mind change I had was the whole concept of "regime change"--at least as far as the Mideast is concerned. I was all for the Iraq War. I trusted Bush and Cheney and Blair and I was sold on the idea that the time was right and it might be worth fighting for an oasis of democracy in the heart of the Mideast.
I was wrong--and while I blame both supporters and opponents of the war, I realize that the whole idea was domed from the start. In all but the most extreme circumstances, Muslims are not worth one drop of American blood or one dollar of American treasure. And it's a fool's errand to try to plant the seeds of democracy on a foundation of--literally--sand.

Related to that of course is that I have lost all respect for George W. Bush. Not only for that debacle, but for becoming mute from 2009-2016--only to suddenly open his mouth after Trump was sworn in.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 01:39 PM (7uYFy)

341 270 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:17 PM (39g3+)

Ha, reminds me of an incident with my husband. We were having our Saturday night YouTube jukebox, and he played "Freebird," and was talking about it being about being a free man, independent, all the good things in theory.

I laughed and told him it's just about a man who used a girl and decided he's done, time to move on, no commitment necessary. I realized as I was saying it that that song sums up the fallacy of the free love philosophy, which fucked up our generation and, consequently, our children's generation.

Posted by: April at April 15, 2018 01:39 PM (e8PP1)

342 I was wrong about Trump. I voted for him and I rooted for him, but only because I thought he was marginally better than Drunken Hag Hillary. I didn't think he could actually win. I didn't think he'd be a very good president if he did, just better than She Who Will Never Be President, a very low bar. My mind changed about that the night of his inauguration.

Posted by: Not Huey R. at April 15, 2018 01:40 PM (hOtJL)

343 The last time I was wrong about a major issue was about Trump! I supported Cruz in the primaries but jumped on the Trump train when he got the nomination. I'm now a BIG Trump fan. The guy kicks ass in a way no Republican ever has - it's a joy to watch.

Posted by: Patti Cakes at April 15, 2018 01:41 PM (a8SVs)

344 and i agree with some of the commenters here, had no idea about the depth of depravity that exists among some public workers who were so highly praised after 9/11. "the heroes". thugs and criminals, that think they can get away with anything. and do. you need to be and live among them, to see how bad it is. it is as if it's a requirement. even if some join out of altruism, they get corrupted.

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:41 PM (bUjCl)

345 New York food is hot garbage. I used to think "it's on TV, it has to be good." It's provincialism with a media backing.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 15, 2018 01:32 PM (c1VpD)

Hey now, that's our specialty.

Posted by: Indian Food at April 15, 2018 01:41 PM (EoRCO)

346 I used my first vote on John Anderson, not Ronnie.

I can only confess this with an anonymous nic.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 15, 2018 01:41 PM (pV/54)

347 When I was a kid I used to like ketchup and thousand islands dressing. Now I realize it's just over sweetened gunk.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 01:41 PM (/qEW2)

348 I adopted a mentality since middle school science classes that I'd rather be wrong and get/learn the right answer than be wrong for the sake of being right. The male ego is a son of a bitch.

Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 01:42 PM (1qRK9)

349 Most people don't have a sudden change of heart, I think. Instead, things change over time, until you realize one day that your opinions are now completely different. That's why it seems as if no one ever changes.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 15, 2018 01:42 PM (Tnhbr)

350 I'm also beginning to realize the people who take advantage of "free" stuff are much, much smarter than I am and I begrudge them less and less for legal actions.

No one, (R) or (D), has any intention of paying our bills, so who are the suckers for paying into the system and getting very little out?

Posted by: Moron Robbie: FBI = Porn Star > School Shooter at April 15, 2018 01:42 PM (LV5XU)

351 Regarding free trade, I used to be more so, but then I realized that the United States sustained its self on tariffs and other trade taxes for over a century of the world's greatest economic and political expansion, producing the most powerful and richest nation on earth. And that gave me a clue that the idea of tariffs and such was not innately and necessarily bad for business or a nation's economy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:42 PM (39g3+)

352 327 I's say if I changed my opinion on anything, it was an evolution in my thinking, rather see revolution - "OMG, I ams so wrong !!!"
Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (bUjCl)
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Yep. Most of the big changes in my life --- say, from atheism to Christianity --- have been very gradual.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 01:43 PM (0jtPF)

353 When has Ryan seen Comey act with integrity? Was it when he decided looked at the polls and decided against recommending indicting Hillary? Was it when he hid behind the curtains? I'd like an instance of integrity.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:43 PM (eAMlh)

354 On a more trivial level, some of the music I used to love--Bruce Springsteen, for instance---I no longer or rarely listen to now. With the Boss, it's not only his politics--I always knew he was a lefty--but just that I realized that his music isn't that good--except for his earlier stuff before he was noticed and co-opted by the liberal rock critic establishment, one of whom's members, red diaper baby Jon Landau, became his manager.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 01:44 PM (7uYFy)

355 346 I used my first vote on John Anderson, not Ronnie.

I can only confess this with an anonymous nic.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 15, 2018 01:41 PM (pV/54)

I can top that. I voted for Barry Commoner in 1980.

Posted by: Nobody you know at April 15, 2018 01:44 PM (sdi6R)

356 April your right about that song, there are lots of others with the same thought.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 01:44 PM (aC6Sd)

357 326 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

The real problem is that we have NEVER had unfettered "free trade" in the United States, and not even in the colonies before the US even existed. Free Trade is good, but it has never existed.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 01:44 PM (mpXpK)

358 I's say if I changed my opinion on anything, it was an evolution in my thinking, rather see revolution - "OMG, I ams so wrong !!!"
Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM (bUjCl)
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Yep. Most of the big changes in my life --- say, from atheism to Christianity --- have been very gradual.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 01:43 PM (0jtPF)

yes. I believe it is like that for most people, as they mature, gain experience, interact with the world at large.

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:44 PM (bUjCl)

359 I remember when I thought Ted Cruz understood freedom, the Constitution, and the rights of Americans. More than that, I thought he was the best politician to stand for those founding principles while explaining them to the public.

Posted by: Moron Robbie: FBI = Porn Star > School Shooter at April 15, 2018 01:44 PM (LV5XU)

360 Free Range Paul Ryan won't leave. Maybe the House should decide their own fate instead of Paul's fate?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:45 PM (vV/gB)

361 When it's a knee jerk opinion based upon emotion, I change my opinion with frequency.

When it's a thought out opinion based upon study and analysis, I change my opinion but rarely.

Posted by: Just A Guy at April 15, 2018 01:45 PM (+63g5)

362 All seriousness aside, I grew up thinking politics was not important. Listened and kinda agreed with everyone as long as they had beer and there was chicks. Could care less really. Then, sometime in college, realized that the others that took politics very seriously had completely different values than mine and they insisted that their values be imposed on all of us through indoctrination, politics, and intimidation.

Long story short now I hang out here with you goofballs. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 15, 2018 01:45 PM (o7tuA)

363 I'd rather be wrong and get/learn the right answer than be wrong for the sake of being right. The male ego is a son of a bitch.
Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 01:42 PM (1qRK9)

The only answer to interview questions I like hearing more than the correct answer is "I don't know, but here's how I would find out".

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2018 01:45 PM (y87Qq)

364 Comey has done exactly one good thing with his life: Talked shit about Loretta Lynch (but not enough).

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 01:45 PM (cB84n)

365 I could proably map out the decades I moved from creationism, to evolution, to evolution via creationism.

Posted by: Moron Robbie: FBI = Porn Star > School Shooter at April 15, 2018 01:46 PM (LV5XU)

366 I voted NDP in my first election. Morethan changing my mind I grew up.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:46 PM (eAMlh)

367 you can tell it's a pseudo science just by reading the news, since they keep changing their theories when their predictions fail. It's a clown show. "We will soon have warm, snowless winters". "This record cold winter was actually caused by global warming".

Yeah if I had ever wavered or been duped, that would have been my change right there. Your theory cannot be disproven, the way you are stating it. And that's not science, its faith.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:46 PM (39g3+)

368
Cinco de Quattro Colorado Morondevous
Saturday May 5th

Now with door prizes

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 15, 2018 01:07 PM (mMeIQ)

The venue looks fun!

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 01:46 PM (a3OL0)

369 Ha, reminds me of an incident with my husband. We were having our Saturday night YouTube jukebox, and he played "Freebird," and was talking about it being about being a free man, independent, all the good things in theory.

I laughed and told him it's just about a man who used a girl and decided he's done, time to move on, no commitment necessary. I realized as I was saying it that that song sums up the fallacy of the free love philosophy, which fucked up our generation and, consequently, our children's generation.
Posted by: April at April 15, 2018 01:39 PM (e8PP1)

I think you and your husband are BOTH right.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 01:47 PM (7uYFy)

370 355 346 I used my first vote on John Anderson, not Ronnie.
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I used to work in a brokerage firm where Kitty Anderson would show up a couple times a month. She was nuts. I assume John was too.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:47 PM (vV/gB)

371 Posted by: April at April 15, 2018 01:39 PM (e8PP1)

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Holy crap. My old man said almost exactly what you did (like, almost to the word) when I played that as a kid. He HATED that song, and we both love Skynyrd.

I understood why as I got older.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 01:48 PM (UiRxW)

372 I could proably map out the decades I moved from creationism, to evolution, to evolution via creationism.
Posted by: Moron Robbie: FBI = Porn Star > School Shooter at April 15, 2018 01:46 PM (LV5XU)

I never had a problem with that at all. There is evolution---but God set it all in motion. He created it.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 01:48 PM (7uYFy)

373
An equally fun post would be what would blow the mind of Leftists if they learned the truth.

Like Ghandi was a racist.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 01:48 PM (r+sAi)

374 I once didn't understand older folks who didn't pay attention to politics and would laugh and tell me that there wasn't a nickel's difference between the parties.

Posted by: Moron Robbie: FBI = Porn Star > School Shooter at April 15, 2018 01:48 PM (LV5XU)

375 I want to be wrong about marching Commies/Marxists down the trail of tears of woe if they don't leave America on tiger own while seizing their assets to fix the destruction they have wrought on our country for 100 years. But I will not know if I'm wrong until this occurs.

If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but they cant come back.

Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 01:48 PM (1qRK9)

376 I always thought large corporations would be neutral. Why get political and risk alienating part of your customer base? Now I see them as malignant with all the influence they wield.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 01:49 PM (/qEW2)

377 You can't create democracy in countries that don't want it without pounding them into the ground first and ruling them for 10 years or more. "

I believe that the core problem is that Arab civilization is still stuck at the feudal/barbarism stage, and thus only some version of a feudal government can ever keep the barbarians in line. (Like what Egypt has finally ended up with) Democracy in societies like that just guarantees endless civil war, since they don't have any group identity, just a series of tribal identities.

Everything has been tried in the Arab world - capitalism, socialism, communism, nationalism, Baathism (fascism), Democracy, Monarchy, Democracy. Every thing fails in its own way. To paraphrase the Demotivator poster, the only persistent constant in all of these failures is the Arabs themselves.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 01:49 PM (V2Yro)

378 I used to think that Fascists and Nazis were "right wing."

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 15, 2018 01:49 PM (sCN2W)

379 April your right about that song, there are lots of others with the same thought.

Exactly, and songs that really touched me now horrify me. Its depressing because they were so meaningful when I didn't really know the lyrics very well. And on a certain level, that's okay because music can reach you where you need it to even if its messed up. When my room mate in college got dumped by his girlfriend because he was basically a boozing lout and she was trading up for a better guy, he listened to Freebird over and over for solace.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:50 PM (39g3+)

380 I used to be pro - open borders because the Wall Street Journal said it was the correct position. I changed my mind after 9/11 -- the world is too unsafe to let everyone in to the US who wants in.

Posted by: Bud Norton at April 15, 2018 01:50 PM (KoWnw)

381 I love BiBi

But I supported hillary Clinton in Democratic primary 2008...geez

Then 5/31/2008 happened and my eyes began to open

Posted by: Gonzotx at April 15, 2018 01:50 PM (eQh3B)

382 277 I used to like Pink Floyd's The Wall. I still like much of the music, but I find the lyrics whiny, insipid, and self-pitying.

Wish You Were Here is still a masterpiece, though.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 01:20 PM"

Fist Bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 01:50 PM (V2Yro)

383 I once thought the Republican party was filled with basically decent conservatives. Not so much now.

Posted by: Yawrate at April 15, 2018 01:51 PM (U2SYP)

384 Somewhere along the way, Trump figured this out as well, since this was at the heart of his appeal to Rust Belt America.

To this day, Paul Ryan and his fellow travelers still don't understand this.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 01:35 PM

Very good thoughts, all of them. I'm just c&p'ing the last.

As to appeal, I'm not so sure. I owned one of the more then 60,000 factories that closed in the wake of giving China Permanent Most Favored Trade Status. Barely escaped, got out early. Saw other people lose not only their factories, but their homes, their marriages, families, their health.

Sure there was some appeal, some hope for the future which drove them to the polls for Trump. But I suspect, even more a huge middle finger to the people who caused about five million people, predominately in the Rust Belt, to see their lives destroyed.

The same people who 'we' gave the middle finger to are still giving us the finger back again by obstructing Trump. I don't see an end in sight.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 01:51 PM (LOgQ4)

385
Last time I changed my mind? I voted for Trump but with a heavy heart. I was scared the next day, honestly. But now, the only thing I am afraid of is that something will happen to this amazing president and he won't serve out his eight years. CNN just did a video with Ohio (Dem) folks who are overjoyed too. We need at least that much time to right the ship of state.

Funny, but my overall change started when I took critical theory classes for a master's. 9/11 happened, and after accidentally listening to Rush and recalling my critical theory, I realized leftism was a totally stupid, evil power grab.

Another Old White Man, totally agree. Trump is results oriented. Former
presidents have used cheating and secrecy to gain power; he keeps his
promises to citizens. He makes W look like Jeb, and that's not a
compliment.

Posted by: PJ at April 15, 2018 01:51 PM (qlTN9)

386 I never had a problem with that at all. There is evolution---but God set it all in motion. He created it.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 01:48 PM (7uYFy)

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Certainly, but I'm saying I can remember becoming a rebellious, know it all teenager and using evolution as a cudgel before realizing I knew very little as an adult and that it wouldn't be hard for Him to work through that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie: FBI = Porn Star > School Shooter at April 15, 2018 01:51 PM (LV5XU)

387 Before the 16th amendment the US government was financed by tariffs and excise taxes, mostly on liquor and luxuries. That didn't provide that much income and it caused the government to remain small. The only problem was the corruption in the government that made those tarriffs and taxes apply to only certain sets of people and regions.

Bing up "tariff of abominations" and study up on it. Those were one of the major causes of the civil war.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 01:52 PM (mpXpK)

388
To this day, Paul Ryan and his fellow travelers still don't understand this.
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Paul understand this. He just understands that the donors are where the money and power are.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 01:52 PM (vV/gB)

389 Iraq was a mistake and I wasted engery defending it. Probably hurt a few friendships because of it.

The US is not interested in the sustainded effort it requires to remake a tribal culture, one steeped in a violent supremacist ideology, into a modern democratic one.

It requires colonial occupation over a period of no less than 30 years - and this doesn't guarantee any benefit the US in the slightest.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2018 01:52 PM (LNPd9)

390 teej

Godspeed you teej. I'll wave to I-70 traffic in an hour or so.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 15, 2018 01:53 PM (hyuyC)

391 289 Dark chocolate.
Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 01:24 PM"

I knows 'zactly what you be gettin' at , Girl! Oh yeah!

Posted by: Snoop Dawg at April 15, 2018 01:53 PM (V2Yro)

392 355 I can top that. I voted for Barry Commoner in 1980.

Ohh...me, too. My first presidential vote. I totally bought into the alternative energy philosophy. I was being so radical and cool with that vote. Heh.

Posted by: April at April 15, 2018 01:54 PM (e8PP1)

393 I think that to be persuaded by an individual, for a lot of people it has to be someone they respect, whose opinion matters, not just some random shmo.

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:55 PM (bUjCl)

394 No I can top that. My first vote was McGovern.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 01:55 PM (Lqy/e)

395 I used to think a slow cooker was the way to cook. But now I have an electric pressure cooker, that does browning, slow cooking, steaming, has a delay function and other cool features. It does everything a slow cooker does and its FASTER (while sealing in all the flavors). So now I think anyone who still uses a slow cooker is just living in the stone age and should probably just go sit in the snow until they fall asleep.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob "buy the Cannibal Bob electric pressure cooker and get a set of ginsu knives free!' at April 15, 2018 01:55 PM (o7tuA)

396 I have never voted for a Democrat. But I did stand in the rain to vote for McShitty/Palin. That was a big mistake.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (mpXpK)

397 Bing up "tariff of abominations" and study up on it. Those were one of the major causes of the civil war.

Well the first big constitutional betrayal (and Washington's one big slip up) was the Whiskey Rebellion. Which is why I'd argue that tariffs are also not an unlimited good. But to the free trade absolutist (some show up here) they are ALWAYS TOTALLY EVIL and that's nonsense, as history plainly shows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (39g3+)

398 383 I once thought the Republican party was filled with basically decent conservatives. Not so much now.
Posted by: Yawrate at April 15, 2018 01:51 PM (U2SYP)

+++

Well, Hollywood used to be anti-communism, too. And they would proudly produce pro-American, anti-communist movies by the car-load. That has shifted also, like 180 degrees.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (tcwn1)

399 395 I used to think a slow cooker was the way to cook. But now I have an electric pressure cooker, that does browning, slow cooking, steaming, has a delay function and other cool features. It does everything a slow cooker does and its FASTER (while sealing in all the flavors). So now I think anyone who still uses a slow cooker is just living in the stone age and should probably just go sit in the snow until they fall asleep.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob "buy the Cannibal Bob electric pressure cooker and get a set of ginsu knives free!' at April 15, 2018 01:55 PM (o7tuA)

That plus you discovered body bags really don't work well for sous vide.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (NWiLs)

400 I used to like Neil Young but I've changed my mind bigly.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (eAMlh)

401 But, with deities falling off their pedestals all the time, cynicism seems to rule.

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (bUjCl)

402 391
289 Dark chocolate.

Posted by: girldog at April 15, 2018 01:24 PM"

I knows 'zactly what you be gettin' at , Girl! Oh yeah!

Posted by: Snoop Dawg at April 15, 2018 01:53 PM (V2Yro)

Damn Snoop! I spit my cawfee!!!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (o7tuA)

403 No I can top that. My first vote was McGovern.

My first vote? Dukakis.

Top that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 01:57 PM (39g3+)

404 It requires colonial occupation over a period of no less than 30 years - and this doesn't guarantee any benefit the US in the slightest.

*********************

Permanent colonial occupation by either Brits or Americans. The multiculturalism bullshit and leftist theology that all cultures are equal (except white people and Christians) is what led to the worldwide clusterfucks we're seeing today.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 01:57 PM (+dsLj)

405 396 I have never voted for a Democrat. But I did stand in the rain to vote for McShitty/Palin. That was a big mistake.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (mpXpK)

+++

Me, too.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 01:57 PM (tcwn1)

406 Being a young adult determined to be "correct" I voted Democrat until 2004, when I voted for Dubya. The behavior of the Democrats shamed me into voting for the President trying to avenge & prevent another 9/11. Been an angry Republican ever since. MAGA!!

Posted by: exdem13 at April 15, 2018 01:57 PM (W+kMI)

407 An equally fun post would be what would blow the mind of Leftists if they learned the truth.

Like Ghandi was a racist.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 01:48 PM (r+sAi)

As long as they're not leftist historians. They cover up the truth deliberately.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 01:58 PM (/qEW2)

408 I was wrong about George W. Bush. I was a staunch defender of the man throughout his presidency, only to discover that he is, in fact, a complete tool.

Posted by: troyriser at April 15, 2018 01:58 PM (K8f5g)

409 Voted Dem as far as Carter... After that never again

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2018 01:58 PM (O2RFr)

410 404 It requires colonial occupation over a period of no less than 30 years - and this doesn't guarantee any benefit the US in the slightest.

*********************

Permanent colonial occupation by either Brits or Americans. The multiculturalism bullshit and leftist theology that all cultures are equal (except white people and Christians) is what led to the worldwide clusterfucks we're seeing today.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 01:57 PM (+dsLj)

As somebody noted the other day, you don't see a hue and cry for diversity, inclusivity and tolerance in, say, Zimbabwe, Somalia or Algeria.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:58 PM (NWiLs)

411 I didn't vote in 2012 i was so disgusted with Romney throwing the game and Ryan being Ryan. In was wrong. I should have voted. I know lots of republicans/conservatives who sat it out or voted 3rd party in that election.

I was wrong.

Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 01:59 PM (1qRK9)

412 My first vote was McGovern.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 01:55 PM (Lqy/e)

He was an unrepentant liberal, but he fought for America, saw combat, and truly loved this country.

Yes, he was wrong about most things, but I do not believe that he was an evil man.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2018 01:59 PM (wYseH)

413 I did vote for Dukakis too.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 01:59 PM (Lqy/e)

414 I have never voted for a Democrat. But I did stand in the rain to vote for McShitty/Palin. That was a big mistake.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (mpXpK)

Yeah. I remember that lame day. I had to take shots of bourbon at breakfast to vote Romney/Ryan, though. No kidding - I probably would've bailed if I hadn't had a couple in me. Liquid courage.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2018 01:59 PM (UiRxW)

415 That plus you discovered body bags really don't work well for sous vide.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (NWiLs)

First, how do you know that...sous vide? Cause I thought you were a neanderthal. No offense. and...yes.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 15, 2018 01:59 PM (o7tuA)

416 Mind changing.
I don't keep track of them but the one that stands out was a Calif ballot proposition about marijuana. I changed my mind 2 or 3 times while reading the arguments and counter-arguments in the voter info booklet.
Why really annoys me is that I don't remember my final conclusion! (it was a long time ago)
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More recently, I thought that the Modern format for MTG was horrible. Now I think it's tremendous. Except lantern control should die in a fire.

Posted by: ArthurK at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (O29hh)

417 I've always found the lyrics of freebird off putting, but you've got to admit it's a great song. Music before lyrics.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (/qEW2)

418
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

This is a stupid statement.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (9ekXs)

419 403 No I can top that. My first vote was McGovern.

My first vote? Dukakis.

Top that.
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I feel your pain on that, Christoper, I truly do, did that too. I also thought Bill Clinton told the truth (at first) about not having sex with that woman. *sigh*

Posted by: exdem13 at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (W+kMI)

420 I used to believe that the Sherman Anti-Trust act was designed to protect the US and the US consumer from powerful companies that wielded massive power over the economy and the market, instead of a small minded revenge over a failed presidential nomination on the part of a powerful legislator against his political rival in a scheme of lies, log rolling and smears.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3140481

Posted by: Kindltot at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (2K6fY)

421 384
I owned one of the more then 60,000 factories that closed in the wake of giving China Permanent Most Favored Trade Status. Barely escaped, got out early. Saw other people lose not only their factories, but their homes, their marriages, families, their health.

Sure there was some appeal, some hope for the future which drove them to the polls for Trump. But I suspect, even more a huge middle finger to the people who caused about five million people, predominately in the Rust Belt, to see their lives destroyed.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 01:51 PM (LOgQ4)

It's been said that the "Deindustrialization of America" was a deliberate policy.

60,000 factories? That was an economic holocaust. God damn those responsible.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (sdi6R)

422 Mike Ducockless? My God...

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (NWiLs)

423

I changed my mind this morning about never posting here on Sundays. But when I saw Trey Gowdy on Fox this morning I knew I had to come here to say what a complete jackass I think he made of himself today.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (PtOP4)

424 I was wrong about George W. Bush. I was a staunch defender of the man throughout his presidency, only to discover that he is, in fact, a complete tool.

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Amazing how he stedfastly followed the tradition of former Presidents not criticizing current ones right up to until Trump took office. Asshole.

I used to like the Bushes, kind of mushy spined and weenie, but still overall decent people.

That whole dynasty can all go fuck a woodchipper now.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 02:00 PM (+dsLj)

425 So now I think anyone who still uses a slow cooker is just living in the stone age and should probably just go sit in the snow until they fall asleep.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob "buy the Cannibal Bob electric pressure cooker and get a set of ginsu knives free!' at April 15, 2018

Low temperature sous vide, Cave Man. It's only 'sporting' to give your protein one last chance to crawl away before you eat it.

Get woke.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 02:01 PM (LOgQ4)

426 My one Dem President vote was for Bubba in '92. I was 18. Harry Browne got my '96 vote. Solid Republican since 2000.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:01 PM (toi7g)

427 Nothing. I'm perfect.

Seriously I'll have to think about this and come back to the thread.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Stay woke! - Leigon of Gloom founding member/too sweet at April 15, 2018 02:01 PM (SMJvk)

428 I'm with Lizzy - I used to be mildly pro-choice until I got pregnant the first time. That one ended in a miscarriage at 12 weeks. I was depressed and angry over that, and kept telling myself "it's just a blob of cells at 12 weeks." It took a while to realize that it wasn't just a blob of cells, it was a person that I had dreamed about, planned for, bought children's books for. When I got pregnant the second time, I had a very detailed ultrasound at 20 weeks, and I saw THAT WAS A BABY. With my third, I could see her actually turn towards the ultrasound camera and SMILE. That was a baby, not a fetus.

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 feet CO at April 15, 2018 02:01 PM (Nrxta)

429 >>>When I was a kid I used to like ketchup and thousand islands dressing. Now I realize it's just over sweetened gunk.<<<

When was the last time you ate a cheeseburger dry? Just bread, cheese and meat? Release yourself!

Posted by: Fritz at April 15, 2018 02:01 PM (bJ0w+)

430
Emerson and Thoreau were a couple of Shits. Two cocksuckers.

Thoreau was a sicko; an arsonist.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2018 02:02 PM (9ekXs)

431 415 That plus you discovered body bags really don't work well for sous vide.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 01:56 PM (NWiLs)

First, how do you know that...sous vide? Cause I thought you were a neanderthal. No offense. and...yes.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 15, 2018 01:59 PM (o7tuA)

I am a Neanderthal. I learned about it from this here smart military/culinary blog. Doesn't mean I use it. I still roast my mastodon flesh over an open fire, the way God intended.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 02:02 PM (NWiLs)

432 And I used to vote for the woman candidate, if I didn't know much about the candidates. In WA state, it's getting harder to find men on the ballot.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 02:02 PM (Lqy/e)

433
Pie > cake

I shall not change my hobgoblin mind!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 02:02 PM (r+sAi)

434
"A lotta people said a lotta dumb shit a long time ago."

-- Shih Tzu

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2018 02:03 PM (9ekXs)

435 Nothing. I'm perfect.

Seriously I'll have to think about this and come back to the thread.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Sta

...you'll come back when you change your mind ?

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 02:03 PM (bUjCl)

436 Paul Samuelson said, "Well when events change, I change my mind. What do you do?"

Posted by: Alan D McIntire at April 15, 2018 02:03 PM (XsihQ)

437 212 206 Hopefully, we will never be fooled again

YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
Posted by: Insomniac

Clap of the Sport known as Golf !

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at April 15, 2018 02:03 PM (AoK0a)

438 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:04 PM (mpXpK)

439 >>When I got pregnant the second time, I had a very detailed ultrasound at 20 weeks, and I saw THAT WAS A BABY. With my third, I could see her actually turn towards the ultrasound camera and SMILE. That was a baby, not a fetus.

Aw!

Think it was a 21 weeks where we got an ultrasounds and the details about the extent of the heart defects - and while they were scanning the little guy was grabbing at his feet.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2018 02:05 PM (W+vEI)

440
The bleating about not having enough body-bags to fill with dead American troops during the Gulf War due to superior equipment and tactics (Soviet) of the Iraqi army probably helped.
Posted by: elliot at April 15, 2018 01:22 PM (D+Jl9)

I remember the breathless predictions of 10k+ dead in the no-mans-land at the Kuwaiti border. Knew that number was bullshit, I expected maybe a quarter of that. It was a revelation to see how relatively bloodless the victory was, for us.

The problem with that is that we got used to the idea that all battlefields should be as bloodless.

Funny thing about tactics though, the Soviet-era armored warfare doctrines are actually quite sophisticated and effective. IF they are used by professional, highly-trained Western armies. To the point that the West's doctrines are largely adapted Soviet techniques.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2018 02:06 PM (eXA4G)

441 349 Most people don't have a sudden change of heart, I think. Instead, things change over time, until you realize one day that your opinions are now completely different. That's why it seems as if no one ever changes.
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There is some wisdom in that statement.

Posted by: exdem13 at April 15, 2018 02:06 PM (W+kMI)

442 My first vote was McGovern.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 01:55 PM (Lqy/e)

He was an unrepentant liberal, but he fought for America, saw combat, and truly loved this country.

Yes, he was wrong about most things, but I do not believe that he was an evil man.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2018 01:59 PM

Something interesting I've read recently of McGovern was that he was in a position to influence nutritional policy of the USA and pushed for the low-fat/low cholesterol cluster of fvck. Because of a diet he was on at the time.

Funny how many nutritionists resigned the Carter administration instead of instigating that policy. Because they knew it was wrong. Never made the front page of many newspapers.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (LOgQ4)

443 I would agree that "Freebird" is just about a guy getting out after getting off except that a lot of Ronnie Van Zandt's lyrics DID deal with freedom and following your own path. Listen to "Simple Man." Or "Sweet Home Alabama" for that matter.
Also, "Freebird" existed in demo form for a couple years before it was recorded in 1973 as Van Zant struggled with the lyrics-- and the opening line, were inspired by a question guitarist Allen Collin's wife asked him---"If I leave here tomorrow, would you remember me?"

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (7uYFy)

444 Historian Paul Johnson:

"I once thought liberty was divisible, that you could have very great personal liberty within a framework of substantial state control of the economy, but I don't mind saying I was quite wrong. The thing that finally convinced me was the issue of compulsory unionism. Labour today is so deeply anti-creative, so organically and instinctually lacking in any positive impulses, that it actually likes banning things or people, for its own sake. It's motto is: accentuate the negative. To ban, to boycott, to embargo, to exclude, blacklist, close down, shut up, silence, censure - these are the things which now come naturally to it, perhaps the only things it really knows how to do."

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (/4bOy)

445 432 And I used to vote for the woman candidate, if I didn't know much about the candidates. In WA state, it's getting harder to find men on the ballot.
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WA state does excel in plain women.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (vV/gB)

446 "I always thought large corporations would be neutral. Why get political and risk alienating part of your customer base? Now I see them as malignant with all the influence they wield."
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My thought was always that they would, as quietly as possible, provide support to whichever politicians they thought would provide them the most benefits.

Obviously, that political party has changed. But the new rules are beginning to require large corporations to provide support not only in money, but also in fealty and virtue signaling to leftist causes.

Posted by: RM at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (U3LtS)

447 Good thread, guess I'll go see what the nood is about.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (aC6Sd)

448 To this day, Paul Ryan and his fellow travelers still don't understand this.

I diasagree whole heartedly. The elite fully understand the class the pays for free trade. It's not them. Case in point the recent revelation of McConnell in laws shipping container business. The middle class will pay as they always have.

Posted by: Kentucky Kid at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (Oafb1)

449 Low temperature sous vide, Cave Man. It's only 'sporting' to give your protein one last chance to crawl away before you eat it.

Get woke.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 02:01 PM (LOgQ4)

I love this damn place. I can get this above and "cooking a meal on a hot car engine" in the same thread. and of course Insomniacs recipes for cooking on an open fire.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (o7tuA)

450 Emerson and Thoreau were a couple of Shits. Two cocksuckers.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2018 02:02 PM (9ekXs)

But Palmer was a decent drummer.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (7uYFy)

451 Something interesting I've read recently of McGovern was that he was in a position to influence nutritional policy of the USA and pushed for the low-fat/low cholesterol cluster of fvck. Because of a diet he was on at the time.

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There was a documentary called Fatheads that showed footage of a conference where people were pleading and begging McGovern not to institute that seriously fucked up policy, until they at least had time to conduct more studies and mcGovern told them to go fuck themselves.

Amazing how a handful of men or even one guy could be so instrumental in causes the health epidemics of today. And the left wants even more government.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 02:10 PM (+dsLj)

452 I had a huge change of mind with this last election. I've always had a big streak of libertarianism in me and was thinking of voting for Gary Johnson until his "Aleppo Moment". I was quite amused and fascinated by Trump and I hated Hillary but as Scott Adams pointed out, the HRC campaign did a good job of using fear as a tool against Trump and I wound up voting for Hillary as the "safe" choice.(Something now I deeply regret.) When Trump won I was astounded and had to figure out how this happened. Long story
short, after doing a lot of reading(my favorite new thinker became Victor Davis Hanson, among others) and my own thinking I have come to actually like Trump for all foibles. I would now come to describe myself as a conservative constitutionalist federalist with a big streak of libertarianism.

Posted by: Jeff Branit at April 15, 2018 02:10 PM (I1raH)

453 417 I've always found the lyrics of "Freebird" off putting, but you've got to admit it's a great song. Music before lyrics.
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"Freebird" got played to death on classic rock stations which diluted its appeal for me. The better song for the Hobo Lover theme Is "Call Me the Breeze", Their best song now for me now is "Simple Kind of Man"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LetEM8CHWAA

Posted by: exdem13 at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (W+kMI)

454 Posted by: Jeff Branit at April 15, 2018 02:10 PM (I1raH)

that's quite a jump. question, prior to VDH, did you get your information about the candidates from TV, mostly ?

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2018 02:13 PM (bUjCl)

455 Mine was abortion - I honestly believed that they were rare.

Then one day, I ran across the Guttmacher numbers/percentages, and my heart sank.

It is disheartening to realize that almost 1/3 of our older daughters' generation simply isn't there.

Our youngest daughter has Down syndrome.

90% of her generation was never born.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 15, 2018 02:14 PM (uDcBt)

456 I used to think things like the first amendment were self evidently good. Now I realize it's not self evident to a majority of people and can all just vanish away in the twinkling of an eye.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 15, 2018 02:14 PM (/qEW2)

457 The obvious example is Trump. I was pretty close to #NeverTrump in the primaries. But two things have happened. (1) The #NT brigade at NRO repelled me into being reasonable (and it helped that Roger Kimball - of whom I am a long time fan - came around quickly), and (2) Trump's performance in office has made a supporter out of me. I still don't exactly like his style. I'm from NY, and left because I don't care for people like that; it grates on me. But the effect it has on the libs is worth that, and more.

But the big change was finally giving up on Anglicanism, and going to Rome. I wasn't the ultra-high church type like Newman and Chesterton and Knox, where it was merely a matter of time. Actually closer to Lewis. But I ended up realizing I was wrong about history.

And of course, I've been in flux about the Battle of Jutland for a long time.

Posted by: George LeS at April 15, 2018 02:15 PM (+TcCF)

458 "Freebird" got played to death on classic rock stations which diluted its appeal for me. The better song for the Hobo Lover theme Is "Call Me the Breeze", Their best song now for me now is "Simple Kind of Man"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LetEM8CHWAA
Posted by: exdem13 at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (W+kMI)

By overexposure, Classic Rock radio ruined a lot of songs for a lot of people, so much so that you forget that songs like "Stairway to Heaven", "Layla" and "Freebird" actually ARE great songs--which is why they were initially played so much in the first place.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2018 02:16 PM (7uYFy)

459 Amazing how a handful of men or even one guy could be so instrumental in causes the health epidemics of today. And the left wants even more government.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2018 02:10 PM

And they'll probably get more government. Full of awful advice. I study this stuff -- it's not rocket science. It's actually child's play compared to the computer programs I used to write.

I also see where the worst nutritional problems are nowadays and I know the lobbies who would be effected are going to see that Americans are wedded to Liberty Medical for all their diabetes needs for at least another generation.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 15, 2018 02:16 PM (LOgQ4)

460 I changed my mind about Scientific American magazine right before the 2008 election when they ran an analysis purporting to show that McCain got better press coverage than Obama, intended to rebut the popular (and accurate) notion that Obama was getting a free ride from the press.

But they obscured the fact that the DATA WAS GATHERED THE YEAR BEFORE, when McCain was running for the R nomination as the media darling, and Obama was running against Her Inevitability for the D nomination. They buried that timeframe in the last sentence of the piece, with no context of what was happening at that time, so the majority of readers would have just passed over it as some technical stuff that was not important.

I cancelled my subscription.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 15, 2018 02:16 PM (3d0hn)

461 There was a documentary called Fatheads that showed footage of a conference where people were pleading and begging McGovern not to institute that seriously fucked up policy, until they at least had time to conduct more studies and mcGovern told them to go fuck themselves.

There was a lot of that going on at the time, like DDT. It was the first wave of bad science driving policy, in my opinion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 02:17 PM (39g3+)

462
There was a lot of that going on at the time, like DDT. It was the first wave of bad science driving policy, in my opinion.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 02:17 PM (39g3+)

*whistles absently*

Posted by: Zombie Trofim Lysenko at April 15, 2018 02:19 PM (eXA4G)

463 By overexposure, Classic Rock radio ruined a lot of songs for a lot of people, so much so that you forget that songs like "Stairway to Heaven", "Layla" and "Freebird" actually ARE great songs

Stairway to Heaven I'll grant you but Layla really isn't that great, especially that godawful guitar solo that's mostly off key and screechy.

But yeah, songs being overplayed kill some music. I hated, HATED Journey because it was so disgustingly overplayed when I was young.

Now I recognize why, because they were so damned good. But if you hear Wheel In The Sky 700 times a day you start to hate the very idea of the song.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 02:19 PM (39g3+)

464 As a conservative of the Baby Boom generation, my assumption, in general, was that cops arrested people who were probably guilty, that prosecutors prosecuted people who were probably guilty, and that only guilty people ended up in prison. My assumptions are now mostly the other way. Ruby Ridge and Waco had a big impact; also, the fake Duke Lacrosse team rape story. More recently, the man in NYC, selling loose cigarettes, who was tackled by cops and and died as a result. I'm not nearly as trusting of the law as I used to be.

Posted by: rfitz3 at April 15, 2018 02:22 PM (qOzBI)

465 And on a certain level, that's okay because music can reach you where you need it to even if its messed up."

I'm not sure if I got "Pearl Necklace" the first time I heard it, but it didn't take long. It's still a good bit of music. As ZZ themselves would say, "a haw haw haw haw".

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (V2Yro)

466 I sat out the last election because I was convinced Hillary was a crook and Trump was a buffoon. I have only partly changed my mind... Trump is indeed a buffoon, but he is a buffoon that does not need any more money, and a buffoon that puts America first! I will take that because it is better than I can get with any of the rest.

Oh yeah, and he makes liberal heads explode real good!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (3d0hn)

467 On song overkill, my personal favorite is "Judy Blue Eyes", by Crosby, Still, and Nash. When it first came out, I thought it was the greatest song ever recorded (it helped that I was a Judy Collins fan). Six months later, after a gazillion hours of airplay, I couldn't bear to listen to it. Still can't!

Posted by: rfitz3 at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (qOzBI)

468 Gah, can't seem to figure out how to save songs on pandora to a playlist on android.

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 02:44 PM (a3OL0)

469 When were you persuaded that your initial opinion -- of anything -- was simply incorrect?

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

The 2016 Presidential Campaign is when I was last persuaded to change my mind. Initially, I was dead set against Donald Trump.

It's funny, because Facebook has those "on this day" updates each day, where you can see what you posted "on this day" in previous years. Last year during the campaign, I would see my posts from 2015 about Donald Trump and they were 180deg from what I was posting about him in 2016. heh

His strong talk about immigration and border security, as well as not backing down against attacks from the Left (Democrats, Media, Hollywood, etc.) are what completely changed my mind about him. Especially the latter. That was probably the clincher for me. Been far past time the GOP had a leader who did not wilt in the face of attacks from Democrats and the media.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 15, 2018 02:53 PM (7A4qQ)

470 I think most conservatives are willing to be convinced, if there is solid data to back up the argument.

Liberals, though, are driven by their unerring faith in liberalism and their talking point catechism.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:03 PM (WEBkv)

471 At one time I didn't think certain power brokers in this country would leave innocent Americans to die for political reasons; i.e. - not save them when saving them was an easy, expected and straightforward decision.

Then I considered (but did not truly believe) they would do the same to little children. CHILDREN.

Having two open eyes and a couple of brain cells to rub together changed all that. Fuck was I a naive bastard.

Posted by: 444 at April 15, 2018 03:06 PM (rv0Fo)

472 I used to think that George W. Bush was unfairly maligned and I defended him fiercely as a good man.

Boy was I wrong.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 15, 2018 03:10 PM (yQpMk)

473 The worst overplayed song, for me, was Don McLean's 'American Pie'. Now there's some pretty strong competition with 'Stairway to Heaven', 'Free Bird' and similar songs, but radio overplay killed 'American Pie' for me.

Posted by: RickZ at April 15, 2018 03:13 PM (oD9Tw)

474 464 As a conservative of the Baby Boom generation, my assumption, in general, was that cops arrested people who were probably guilty, that prosecutors prosecuted people who were probably guilty, and that only guilty people ended up in prison. My assumptions are now mostly the other way. Ruby Ridge and Waco had a big impact; also, the fake Duke Lacrosse team rape story. More recently, the man in NYC, selling loose cigarettes, who was tackled by cops and and died as a result. I'm not nearly as trusting of the law as I used to be.

Posted by: rfitz3 at April 15, 2018 02:22 PM (qOzBI)

I sadly agree with you in general about the police and other law enforcement, but the Eric Garner case is one I changed my mind about, having been initially outraged because I was MFM'd into thinking he'd been strangled to death.

While I agree Eric Garner's arrest was extravagant for the offense (although it was resisting arrest that got him tackled to the ground, not selling loosies) he died of a heart attack because he was morbidly obese and unhealthy. Police can't know that a standard controlling move (a chokehold of 15 - 19 seconds) that would be briefly painful to another person would contribute to this one guy's death. His 27-year-old daughter also died of a heart attack.

Posted by: Gem at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (XoAz8)

475 472 I used to think that George W. Bush was unfairly maligned and I defended him fiercely as a good man.

Boy was I wrong.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 15, 2018 03:10 PM (yQpMk)

Agreed. Although he was unfairly maligned in certain respects, he is not a good or honorable person.

The fact that he kept his pie hole shut for eight years while Obama ripped this country to shreds and then shit all over the remains while not even waiting six months to begin trashing Trump and in doing so his supporters...

I feel nothing but contempt for him now.

Posted by: Gem at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (XoAz8)

476 Change the station every time stairway to heaven is on

Posted by: A dude in MI at April 15, 2018 03:36 PM (CDETr)

477 Several times, the most recent of which was Donald J. Trump as POTUS. Was convinced he lacked the necessary temperament and skills. I was wrong.

Posted by: steve walsh at April 15, 2018 03:41 PM (uR9Yf)

478 Dang. Very late to the thread. We sold our house in town (hear Steely Dan's "Bodisattva" every time I say that.) Thought we'd by an unrestricted place in the country with acreage and pocket a lot of money.

Used almost all of the proceeds to buy a house that's in the country but in a subdivision. Happy beyond all words.

But it was a trek to reach the decison.

Posted by: Art Rondolet of Malmsey at April 15, 2018 04:24 PM (S+f+m)

479

When Trump fired Comey, I thought the firing was justified but that manner was ugly and unnecessary.
Then about four or so month later (whenever it was I heard that Comey was an unusually slimey SOB): I realized that the Comey's firing was not only justified, it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
Moreover - that as ugly as the manner of firing was - it was very important for Trump need to send a message to all others (especially the innumerable) D.C. swamp creatures that he was capable of playing rough and ugly.

Not long after I realized that it was in no way unnecessary for Trump to fire Comey in such an ugly fashion: my other realization that I had been wrong about something ALSO has to do with nasty bastard Comey.
During the 2016 Pres campaign when Hillary might have been indited by the FBI, the media (espeically Fox News) had convinced me that Comey was "a straight shooter" with impeccable integrity.
In fact, when Comey gave his (now infamous) presser clearing the Hildabeast about how her indictment would set an awful precedent to go after a former Secretary of State for taking her work home with her in the form of classified email: I ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT:: --- ::HOOK. LINE. and. SINKER. - - - :!
ugh. I am embarrassed to admit it. But I bout that nasty bastard's bullshit.

I now see that this bastard Comey was playing a nasty game and is ANYTHING but a "straight shooter".

Prior to my double Comey realizations, the last time I remember changing my mind about something was in realizing that Bush's decision to invade Iraq was HUGE mistake.
I had been a GIANT fuckin' cheerleader.
But once I delved deep into one of Pat Buchanan's books (I don't remember the specific title just now), I switched from being an ignorant, default Neo-Con to being a (hopefully not so ignorant) conservative.

PS: No, Patrick Buchanan is not in anyway anti-Semitic nor otherwise racist.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at April 15, 2018 04:29 PM (Z2PYk)

480 I formerly believed that the FBI was a deep state, politicized, openly Democrat organization full of men lacking candor (liars) who when challenged about their mob like activities would fall into a fetal position and suck their...........thumbs.
I have now changed my mind about that and find that it is much, much worse than that.

Posted by: Sir Robert Peel, 2nd Baronet, Former Prime Minister at April 15, 2018 04:34 PM (cTuj5)

481 Hard to say, but I am open to consider arguments based on my personality type. I know that I am more open since cutting the cord and allowing no broadcast TV or cable TV into my life. I enjoy football games more not being influenced by the talking heads and I spot fake news more than I ever did, and I've always spotted fake news, but now most of what is broadcast is false. There is no news, just propaganda.

I think the biggest change is I no longer have any faith in the legal system, the medical system or the intelligence system. I've see too much rampant corruption and too many things turned into political matters that are not political in nature. Also, too many political differences are being criminalized.

One more thing, growing up the slogan was never trust anyone over 30 years of age. Now I am distrustful of people 45 and lower. Too many of the youngsters are incapable of thought, they spent their formative years being propagandized and not being educated.

Posted by: Locke Common at April 15, 2018 05:00 PM (9/8g0)

482 Jaron Lanier once said something roughly like, "It takes most people about ten years to change their minds about something important."

It sounded right to me, when I read it.

Posted by: B at April 15, 2018 05:28 PM (YbF/4)

483 Unfortunately, I think the easiest switch in opinion is from thinking a person is a role model to realizing they have feet of clay. Probably because humans, by nature, are flawed. Even the best of us probably have a slightly worn pair of clay clogs in our closet.

Posted by: Victoria at April 15, 2018 05:43 PM (a8WXQ)

484 Great thread. Scott Adams did a blog post recently about people not being able to admit being really wrong about things. Thing is I've never seen liberals admit to being wrong massively. Do they? I've seen them act surprised when logical consequences of something they worked hard to make happen come to fruition and the consequences are not good. "How did THAT happen!?" Have not seen anyone say, oh gee, Trump isn't literally Hitler for example. Have seen just the other day that "AGW" (W!) is bringing about an ice age - I kid you not.

Posted by: Frog at April 15, 2018 05:45 PM (/J57t)

485 Giving to beggars:
I know (or I've read, anyway) that handing out unearned bucks doesn't actually help the poor and the downtrodden. "Give a man a fish" vs. "teach a man to fish" and all that. And it's true: and I believe it. Because of that, I used to only give through established foundations; my church, for instance.

But I got to thinking "so what?" Study after study has shown that a goodly number of these beggars are there by their own choice. And it's not mine to say how they should live - that's the very elitism that we argue against the GOP-e. I'm not discerning enough to be able to tell which beggar should be helped and which one shouldn't. So I give to them all.

The Good Lord also says "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth." Nowadays I keep a stack of singles in my car to give out to any of the street corner beggars whom I encounter. Don't care what their sign says, or what their story is, or if they're hoodwinking me, or whatever. If I see 'em I give. Didn't used to: now I do.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at April 15, 2018 06:06 PM (o7l6R)

486 I also used to like the Bushies. That changed 180� during Obummers two terms and how he was now speaks about Trump. I also became much less pro abortion when progressives started pushing for late term.

Posted by: Trainer at April 15, 2018 06:10 PM (7EbAY)

487 I used to think Major League Baseball was all about America's game.

Well, Not Any More.

Friday, a local NYC radio station (WOR) broadcast the Mets game, and a couple of pinheads, the play by play guy and the color commentator, starting WHINING about how "America's Racism Problem[TM] isn't going away," and then launched into a lecture about it -- while multi-millionaires Of Color[TM] played on the field, followed and adored by legions of Evil White Fans.

I turned it off with an oath of disgust. Leftists are like crotch rot, or herpes, or the Ebola virus. They get into, and ruin, everything.

Posted by: Beverly at April 15, 2018 06:17 PM (ICcQt)

488 I used to believe there was a substantial difference between GOP and Democrats. Since they spent the last 7 years promising to end ObamaCare and running on that basis, then reneging on that promise after they got control of POTUS, and both houses of Congress, I am now convinced they have no intention of ending Roe v Wade. Oh, we know you want X, but we're going to promise you X so you'll vote for us. But we won't actually give you X, then you'd have no reason to vote for us.

Next time a school gets shot up, notice the Democrats will demand we get rid of guns. And they'll run up against the 2nd Amendment just like the GOP runs up against Roe v Wade.

Posted by: steve poling at April 15, 2018 06:37 PM (J3cMN)

489 I completely reversed my positions on the death penalty and abortion from pro death penalty and pro choice to the opposite, because these are the only consistently pro-life positions (and because I have enough doubt about whether or not we have condemned innocent people to death that I can't countenance it anymore). The Catholics are right about this being the only consistently pro-life stance. I make exceptions to abortion for the life of the mother and to the death penalty for traitors.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at April 15, 2018 07:01 PM (1FhAQ)

490 I changed my mind about:

1. pro-choice -- that was back when I was pregnant in 2002, and saw my first ultrasound when i was 5 weeks along in the pregnancy

i saw whatever the heart precursor was pulsing away, and my kid looked like a kidney bean... but i realized i was completely wrong about all sorts of things

2. privatization of social security: about 2009 or 2010

i changed my mind about this when i saw what public pensions at state levels were doing. privatization could be even worse than what we have now for SocSec

Posted by: meep at April 15, 2018 07:18 PM (rZcwU)

491 in general, my move from the left to the right took a lot of time, but was fully complete by 2004.

i remember being a besotted Clinton fan in 1992, and then being completely disillusioned by 1996. i got disgusted when the lewinski scandal broke after that (i'm the same age as monica)...i was young (late teens/early 20s) so i don't take myself from that time too seriously

Posted by: meep at April 15, 2018 07:21 PM (rZcwU)

492 432 And I used to vote for the woman candidate, if I didn't know much about the candidates. In WA state, it's getting harder to find men on the ballot.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 02:02 PM (Lqy/e)

In many parts of WA state, it is getting harder to find Americans on the ballot.

If you want to know what the Venezuelan legislative bodies sound like, sit in on a Seattle City Council meeting.

I used to believe that liberals still believed in the history of America and the uniqueness of the Constitution and why it is so radically different than any other governing concept.

Henry "Scoop" Jackson was my ideal Senator. He was strong on national defense and a true friend of Israel. He was also a classic liberal, which meant you believed in the Constitution and Rule of Law, even for those who had little. Scoop protected their right to be heard. But he also based that concept that everyone is responsible for themselves, and be good to your neighbors and respect them.

That part about mutual respect is dead as roadkill in todays Democrat party. It is now all about abusing government power for your own payoff. The rest of us are just suckers.

Now I know for sure they despise the country that has given them their riches. They are just Socialists with really good restaurants, and served by the little people who cook and clean for them. And the others who don't have that money but believe the same way are foolish stooges, placemats for the next revolution.

The lower middle class left will be the first to be sacrificed, after the conservatives are sequestered and systematically degraded, as in any Communist system over the past hundred years.

But there are some key counterbalances that no other nation has. And God help us all if decent, fair Americans are forced to use that counterbalance.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2018 08:26 PM (UsCnO)

493 I thought the Syrian chemical weapons incident was most likely one of the rebel groups playing politics to ensure the US would stay. Then the Russians issued their bizarre announcement that there was no attack and the British did it anyway, and now I think it was probably Assad after all.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 15, 2018 08:57 PM (2yngH)

494 I used to believe the GW refrain that every human craved liberty and freedom. I have been proven wrong.

Posted by: dalem at April 15, 2018 09:56 PM (ip5oi)

495 The older I get, the less I understand. I'm at the point where I only understand John Wayne movies and my Cocker Spaniel, and I'm not too sure about the dog......... Jason J , Tucson

Posted by: jasonj at April 15, 2018 09:59 PM (qSQLQ)

496 Trump - I was a Yuuge Ted Cruz fan, for years. When Trump became the nominee I voted for him as an act of sabotage against the eRepublican party, which I had left. As you all can plainly see I was soo wrong and had to reexamine my whole understanding of candidates for office. I don't know how Jeff Sessions saw what I couldn't, JEFF F-ing SESSIONS!!! Anyway, I missed the Trump train like the Titanic missed being unsinkable on the maiden voyage.

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