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Take Two on Driverless Collision With Pedestrian: Maybe the Car Was the Least Culpable of All Parties Involved

Lot of blame to go around, from the human minder in the car who was not minding it, but reading his phone, to the pedestrian herself who came out of nowhere and was only visible a second before the collision, to the urban planning that created this strange pseudointersection where a brick path leads, it appears, to a crossing in the street -- but signs say not to use the brick path, as it's for... visual aesthetic only, or something.

The brick path creates an obvious shortcut that few humans would be able to deny themselves but a couple of signs tell you "This obvious shortcut isn't a shortcut, don't use it." It leads you to a convenient highway crossing, except it's not a highway crossing, as it's uncontrolled by lights and unsafe to cross.

Especially at night.

See John Sexton's piece. It's good.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:07 PM




Comments

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1 First?

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 23, 2018 05:02 PM (dUJdY)

2 Next time take the Omnibus

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2018 05:02 PM (IqV8l)

3 autonomously first!

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:02 PM (EzdLW)

4 Also, as jwest pointed out, the car apparently doesn't utilize FLIR which is completely asinine.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 23, 2018 05:02 PM (NL6wI)

5 There is also an excellent article on this by Spengler in PJ Media.

Posted by: Caliban at March 23, 2018 05:02 PM (QE8X6)

6 yay, city planners.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 23, 2018 05:03 PM (67Uov)

7 Huh.. the site hiccuped for a minute.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 23, 2018 05:03 PM (dUJdY)

8 Good. Good.

Posted by: HAL at March 23, 2018 05:03 PM (Dp6qK)

9 I, for one, welcome our new robot car overlords.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at March 23, 2018 05:03 PM (T71PA)

10
Lot of blame to go around, from the human minder in the car who was not minding it, but reading his phone



Ah, but why was the human minder reading his phone? Of course, people read their phones while driving a regular car. But in an autonomous car, it might happen a lot more.

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:04 PM (EzdLW)

11 So are the aesthetics of that path for the odd helicopter pilot drifting past?

Posted by: rammajamma at March 23, 2018 05:04 PM (6HRXU)

12 Pardon my ignorance - what is the point of an "autonomous" car needing someone behind the wheel? By definition, the vehicle isn't autonomous if someone has to be there, right? How does that save money?

Posted by: SMOD Keeper at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (3v+B0)

13 Was there any nudity involved?

Posted by: Monk at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (mdwk9)

14 Personally, I blame the dumb fuck who walked in front of a speeding car.

Posted by: nip at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (ECLaL)

15 Depends how up to date your google maps are

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (FZYNt)

16 Top twenty.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&& at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (s6HkY)

17 4
Also, as jwest pointed out, the car apparently doesn't utilize FLIR which is completely asinine.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 23, 2018 05:02 PM (NL6wI)

It supposed to use LIDAR. It should have seen any object in its way , at least to protect the people in the car.

Posted by: muckrack at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (RZ4iC)

18 Okay, it's not the site. My puter is acting strange. Keeps booting me out of the HQ. Or, maybe ace is mad at me.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (dUJdY)

19 City where I live we had someone killed who stepped off a sidewalk in front of a car.

No charges for the driver, because the gal had her headphones on, wasn't paying attention and just stepped into the street.

I was sort of wondering if the self-driving car accident might have been the same sort of thing.

I guess I'll read Sexton now.

Posted by: Blake at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (qC1Sy)

20 10


Lot of blame to go around, from the human minder in the car who was not minding it, but reading his phone





Ah, but why was the human minder reading his phone? Of course, people read their phones while driving a regular car. But in an autonomous car, it might happen a lot more.

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:04 PM (EzdLW)



A robot car needs a minder, like a fish needs a bicycle.

Posted by: HAL at March 23, 2018 05:06 PM (Dp6qK)

21 I thought those things had infrared vision or sonar or something. The woman was straight ahead in the road. How did it not see her?

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:06 PM (QQ+il)

22 13 Was there any nudity involved?
Posted by: Monk at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (mdwk9)

Yes, naked ambition.

Posted by: Caliban at March 23, 2018 05:06 PM (QE8X6)

23 When I watched the video, it didn't look like the woman reacted to the car approaching. I would have thought she could have seen the headlights out of the corner of her eye. Maybe she just assumed the driver would see her and slow down.

Posted by: rickl at March 23, 2018 05:06 PM (xjiRE)

24 Have a great weekend Ace and Friends.

Throw some steaks on the grill and have a drink (choose your own poison).

Unplug and have fun.

Don't forget the 3 hotties

https://www.billwhittle.com/channels/right-angle

Their newest on FB.

Hang loose! Catch a wave!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLgWbH-qhVo

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 23, 2018 05:06 PM (fceHP)

25 Everyone is to blame, except for the guy in zombie's old profile pic with his dick in the car tailpipe.

Posted by: wooga at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (PnpIB)

26 Well obviously we need to replace the human minders with autonomous robot minders.

While we're at it, maybe plannerless autonomous urban planning. And pedestrianless sidewalks.

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (EzdLW)

27 22 13 Was there any nudity involved?
Posted by: Monk at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (mdwk9)

Yes, naked ambition.
Posted by: Caliban

did you see the driver?

talk about having a face that would make a train take a dirt road

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (FZYNt)

28
Did Jeff Flake or John McCain have anything to do with Uber being allowed to test self driving cars in AZ?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (lKyWE)

29 21
I thought those things had infrared vision or sonar or something. The
woman was straight ahead in the road. How did it not see her?

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:06 PM (QQ+il)

It used its cpus to mine Bitcoin?

Posted by: muckrack at March 23, 2018 05:08 PM (RZ4iC)

30 Always take the first reports with a grain of salt

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:08 PM (aC6Sd)

31 Clearly the answer is more pedestrian bridges.

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:08 PM (QQ+il)

32 And apropos of nothing, that "minder" is going to make one ugly woman.

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:09 PM (QQ+il)

33 >>>12 Pardon my ignorance - what is the point of an "autonomous" car needing someone behind the wheel?

In case the AI goes insane or freezes.

Posted by: wooga at March 23, 2018 05:09 PM (PnpIB)

34 A video on a Driverless SemiTruck it shows the "Driver" doing paperwork in the back. I thought that was the whole point of having a driverless cars etc. I want a driverless RV and I will be in the back using the bathroom, making food and maybe sleeping

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 05:09 PM (dKiJG)

35 There are new videos coming out of people filming that spot at the same time of night and showing that the uber camera is somehow set to make it look far, far darker than it would have been for the human eye.

the driver would have had plenty of time to stop if he (i won't say she) had been paying attention.

Also the driving sensors should have picked her up because they don't depend on ambient light.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:09 PM (yL25O)

36 I want a driverless RV and I will be in the back using the bathroom, making food and maybe sleeping

That's why we have cruise control.

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:10 PM (QQ+il)

37
I have lane assist, radar, and cruise control on my 2017. Last night I could have had them all on, but chose not to, as I entered a 'cattle chute' road repair area on an interstate where the old lane marking lines were still obvious.

Eventually the technology may make it safe. But if you're an 'early adopter'... well no two ways about it, you're going to die.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 23, 2018 05:10 PM (LOgQ4)

38 12
Pardon my ignorance - what is the point of an "autonomous" car needing someone behind the wheel? By definition, the vehicle isn't autonomous if someone has to be there, right? How does that save money?

Posted by: SMOD Keeper at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (3v+B0)



Because, shut up, insignificant hoomon. Driverless cars that require drivers is a completely normal thing. And you are docked two internets.

Posted by: HAL at March 23, 2018 05:10 PM (Dp6qK)

39 Dang...that eye bleach on the previous thread has affected my hearing. Mrs D has been talking to me for ten minutes and haven't heard a word.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2018 05:10 PM (0tfLf)

40 Should the fucking car have echo-location like a bat? Radar? IR? WTF?

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2018 05:11 PM (bJ0w+)

41 I'm starting to think the tech IS NOT there for autonomous cars. I sell a mobile LIDAR platform for building survey. I wouldn't trust it in a car that's also making lost of other calcs. The exceptions are turning into the rules as regards to self-driving whatevers.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 23, 2018 05:11 PM (ty7RM)

42 https://bit.ly/2G2sXJC

ars technica article with the other videos, and discussion of headlight beams and how long an object should be visible at night going 38 mph. Interesting.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:11 PM (yL25O)

43 Also the driving sensors should have picked her up because they don't depend on ambient light.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:09 PM (yL25O)

You'd think that was the whole point of the extra sensors.

Posted by: muckrack at March 23, 2018 05:11 PM (RZ4iC)

44 17 It supposed to use LIDAR. It should have seen any object in its way , at least to protect the people in the car.

Posted by: muckrack at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (RZ4iC)


That's as maybe, I would *hope* that a capability as mission critical as autonomous driving would leverage multiple disparate sensory systems.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 23, 2018 05:11 PM (NL6wI)

45 30 Always take the first reports with a grain of salt

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:08 PM



A saying from the Intelligence Community that goes back to at least the time of the Hitties..."The first report is ALWAYS wrong."

Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2018 05:12 PM (0tfLf)

46 Dang...that eye bleach on the previous thread has affected my hearing. Mrs D has been talking to me for ten minutes and haven't heard a word.

Is she mad? I can't hear the frequency Mrs928 uses when she's mad. I'm like a toad in a pond.

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:12 PM (QQ+il)

47 It's pretty bad design to create a crossing that's meant only to be visually pleasing and then try to dissuade actual use through signs.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at March 23, 2018 05:12 PM (c6UIl)

48 The non-driver is a man now?

First I thought it was, then wasn't, now is again...?

I can't keep up.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2018 05:12 PM (oVJmc)

49 Obviously, there needs to be a pedestrian bridge there.

And K-Rails, so people can't just walk out into traffic. The K-Rails would also protect pedestrians from jihadi terrorists who drive their cars into crowds of people.

and bike lanes. We need more bike lanes.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:12 PM (roQNm)

50 I want a driverless RV and I will be in the back using the bathroom, making food and maybe sleeping
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 05:09 PM (dKiJG)

...

this is how we will travel to all business meetings from now on.

Get into a mobile hotel room. Fall asleep, sleep like a baby, wake up at your destination.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:13 PM (yL25O)

51 29
21

I thought those things had infrared vision or sonar or something. The

woman was straight ahead in the road. How did it not see her?



Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:06 PM (QQ+il)

It used its cpus to mine Bitcoin?


Posted by: muckrack at March 23, 2018 05:08 PM (RZ4iC)


It was getting its side hustle on. Ha. Ha. Ha. I will allow you to live.

Posted by: HAL at March 23, 2018 05:13 PM (Dp6qK)

52 urban planning that created this strange pseudointersection where a brick path leads, it appears, to a crossing in the street -- but signs say not to use the brick path, as it's for... visual aesthetic only, or something.


Was going to make a rude comment about CA
only to discover the event occurred in AZ.

The locusts are coming, the locusts are coming.

Posted by: gNewt at March 23, 2018 05:13 PM (7QnCd)

53 Is she mad? I can't hear the frequency Mrs928 uses when she's mad. I'm like a toad in a pond.

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:12 PM



She wasn't until she looked over my shoulder.
Went straight into frequency hopping mode.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2018 05:14 PM (0tfLf)

54 Someday, a driverless car may be safer than one driven by a typical American. But there's a mountain of legal exposure in between here and there.

And we're not ready for a world where half the drivers act like poky 80-year olds.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 23, 2018 05:14 PM (n+6mJ)

55 Did the crosswalk designer also design pedestrian bridges?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 23, 2018 05:15 PM (ATVNj)

56 The brick path creates an obvious shortcut that few humans would be able to deny themselves but a couple of signs tell you "This obvious shortcut isn't a shortcut, don't use it." It leads you to a convenient highway crossing, except it's not a highway crossing, as it's uncontrolled by lights and unsafe to cross.

So you*re saying it was a conspiracy between the government and the robots?
I.FUCKING.KNEW IT!

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at March 23, 2018 05:15 PM (aL/zM)

57 52 urban planning that created this strange pseudointersection where a brick path leads, it appears, to a crossing in the street -- but signs say not to use the brick path, as it's for... visual aesthetic only, or something.

Like those "traffic calming" areas they put in neighborhoods, only to find they're so narrow fire trucks can't get through without driving over the concrete divider.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:15 PM (NWiLs)

58 shoulda read teh comments
if I had read the comments before commenting myself
then I would know that Grump already made the pedestrian bridge point fifteen minutes earlier.

It's not my fault, I was taking a nap and was not yet fully awake, and it doesn't make any difference anyway the pedestrian is still dead.

Shit happens.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:17 PM (roQNm)

59 Our social engineering betters, ain't.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:17 PM (NWiLs)

60 So the logic is that a human could have been distracted, and so it is acceptable for a machine to give the same result as a distracted human?

This sounds like someone desperate to avoid saying that self driving cars are just not ready for public use.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 23, 2018 05:17 PM (LWu6U)

61 Wait until it comes across a squirrel, or better yet, a skunk.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at March 23, 2018 05:17 PM (0QYMt)

62 no nood announced huh

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:17 PM (hMwEB)

63 Get into a mobile hotel room. Fall asleep, sleep like a baby, wake up at your destination. Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:13 PM (yL25O)
=====

Trains?

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 23, 2018 05:17 PM (MIKMs)

64 I have doubts this unassisted car will work but then I don't have faith in a lot of tech

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:18 PM (aC6Sd)

65 Get into a mobile hotel room. Fall asleep, sleep like a baby, wake up at your destination.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:13 PM (yL25O)

-------------------

I wrote a song about that very thing.

"Wildwood Weed"

https://tinyurl.com/q89ljhd

Posted by: Jim Stafford at March 23, 2018 05:18 PM (qC1Sy)

66 50 I want a driverless RV and I will be in the back using the bathroom, making food and maybe sleeping
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 05:09 PM (dKiJG)

...

this is how we will travel to all business meetings from now on.

Get into a mobile hotel room. Fall asleep, sleep like a baby, wake up at your destination.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:13 PM (yL25O)

What's funny is that Driverless cars are referred as Carriages, my brother is dying for one and tried to get on the list for the Google carriage.

You will see people living father away from cities if this technology comes about.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 05:18 PM (dKiJG)

67 Eh.

I'm tired of Our Betters deciding that we're just the laboratory mice they need for their craptastic social experiments,

from welfare to obamacare to this.

Howzabout you rich dudes, who have literally billions of dollars on your hands,

build a laboratory town in say...far West Texas with fake highways and intersections and run these autonomous cars on experimental routes until they can drive better than humans under the same circumstances.

We are not on this Earth to Beta-test your crappy products and ideas.

Thank you.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 23, 2018 05:18 PM (E3rQ4)

68 63 Get into a mobile hotel room. Fall asleep, sleep like a baby, wake up at your destination. Posted by: TexasDan at March 23, 2018 05:13 PM (yL25O)
=====

Trains?

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 23, 2018 05:17 PM (MIKMs)

I have had the occasional dream involving a mobile, self-driving bed.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:18 PM (NWiLs)

69 Take Two on Driverless Collision With Pedestrian: Maybe the Car Was the Least Culpable of All Parties Involved


You do know that I am Hispanic

Posted by: Rafaela Vasquez at March 23, 2018 05:19 PM (VWsDy)

70 Safety in the factory won't permit a "follow instructions and don't be a dumbass" sign. You have to actually block the danger. If that brick isn't torn up, or a guard rail/wire strung across it by Monday , someone's falling down on the job. Also, I wonder how many more of these have been put in place near hobo-zones at the overpasses of big cities.

Posted by: Downcast at March 23, 2018 05:19 PM (1mpdO)

71 Ah, but why was the human minder reading his phone? Of course, people read their phones while driving a regular car. But in an autonomous car, it might happen a lot more.
Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:04 PM (EzdLW)



And they're likely doing it with constantly looking up at the road if for no reason than to stay in the lane. A minder is likely to wind up acting like a passenger reading their phone and thus not even do the most basic "distracted driving" attempts to watch the road.

Posted by: buzzion at March 23, 2018 05:19 PM (lKs2v)

72 These new cars ought to be able to avoid full speed collisions like this. Deers jump out in the road like that all the time in my area. But unless they are less than 10 feet away the driver can at least begin to break. I have hit 4 deers in the past 3 years and twice I have had enough warning to at least slow down some before the collision. The other two times I didnot have a chance and totaled the car.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (UgC/A)

73 Dude, it's Arizona.

Things don't have to make sense here.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (fqUgw)

74 It wasnt even raining, add snow.

Posted by: muckrack at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (RZ4iC)

75 Trump signed that piece of shit legislation! WTF? He just signed his own impeachment! I can't believe he did it! HE SAID ONCE THE DEBT REACHED $24 Billion it was over. We couldn't service the interest on the debt, and the Fed is raising interest rates. How does any of this make sense? Buy ammo and MREs because we're Zimbawe now!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (rdl6o)

76 Will we be getting the bar that pops out like in the Dean Martin spy movie.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 05:21 PM (dKiJG)

77 It was dark.

Always bet on black.

Posted by: W. Snipes at March 23, 2018 05:21 PM (ctuyM)

78 Just wait until these autonomous, driverless cars get to the evermore popular and prevalent roundabout. Then you're going to see some smashed up sheet metal and tears.

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2018 05:21 PM (bJ0w+)

79 I have a dream. I have a dream that big commie cities will go broke. I have a dream that big commie cities will go broke and the citizens will come with crowbars and torches and rip up those iron rails that have shackled and strangled their throughways and take their streets back.

Posted by: gNewt at March 23, 2018 05:21 PM (7QnCd)

80 >>...from the human minder in the car who was not minding it, but reading his phone,


I know there are pros and cons to a driverless car having a manual/human override, but....in this case, how can the human non-driver pay attention for the entire trip on the off chance he/she will need to intervene?

This is why I hate cruise control - once the car takes over it's really easy for your mind to wander, or fall asleep, since the car does not require you being actively engaged to keep going.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:21 PM (W+vEI)

81 did you see the driver?

talk about having a face that would make a train take a dirt road
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (FZYNt)

Did you know that was a chick?

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:22 PM (TWAQb)

82 Saw the video...

I could have avoided her if I'd been driving.

If the Computer can't? Then its not safe.


And, unless there is a crosswalk nearby? Crossing the road is not illegal.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 23, 2018 05:22 PM (NgKpN)

83 72
These new cars ought to be able to avoid full speed collisions like
this. Deers jump out in the road like that all the time in my area.
But unless they are less than 10 feet away the driver can at least begin
to break. I have hit 4 deers in the past 3 years and twice I have had
enough warning to at least slow down some before the collision. The
other two times I didnot have a chance and totaled the car.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (UgC/A)

And the victim here moved slower than deers.

Posted by: muckrack at March 23, 2018 05:22 PM (RZ4iC)

84 This is why I hate cruise control - once the car takes over it's really easy for your mind to wander, or fall asleep, since the car does not require you being actively engaged to keep going.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:21 PM (W+vEI)

You do know cruise control doesn't steer for you, right?

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:22 PM (NWiLs)

85 Its only a matter of time until the AI driving the car starts doing a little speed to stay awake on those 24 hour shifts. Then it is a short downhill slide to crack and meth. Pretty soon you will have driverless zombie cars getting tatoos and hanging out at dicey street corners, smoking cigarettes and threatening other cars.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Living the bot life! at March 23, 2018 05:22 PM (rBnYq)

86 Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (rdl6o)

Have you tried switching to decaff?

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 23, 2018 05:22 PM (bZ7mE)

87 I have a dream. I have a dream that big commie cities will go broke. I have a dream that big commie cities will go broke and the citizens will come with crowbars and torches and rip up those iron rails that have shackled and strangled their throughways and take their streets back.

Cities? Dude, we're collecting record taxes and still running a deficit! The math doesn't work!!!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at March 23, 2018 05:23 PM (rdl6o)

88 Dang...that eye bleach on the previous thread has affected my hearing. Mrs D has been talking to me for ten minutes and haven't heard a word.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2018 05:10 PM (0tfLf)

You're welcome.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:23 PM (TWAQb)

89 Why don't we test this shit in Mexico?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2018 05:23 PM (oVJmc)

90 Just wait until these autonomous, driverless cars get to the evermore popular and prevalent roundabout. Then you're going to see some smashed up sheet metal and tears.

If you are going to deploy smart cars, you need smart roads to control the smart cars where roads signal the car to slow down for things like roundabouts and traffic lights that are about to change.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:23 PM (roQNm)

91 Using autonomous vehicles inside a factory, they have to yield to everything. And while you limit the sensing distance to crash-range so you're not avoiding walls or people 100 yards away, you do set the vehicle to stop if something approaches for a collision. The sensors better not have been using the visual light range and requiring headlights to operate. That would be insane.

Posted by: Downcast at March 23, 2018 05:23 PM (1mpdO)

92 I can't believe that small, unlit sign didn't do the job. Guess we better just ban bicycles and cars just to be on the safe side, because if we can save just one life...

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 23, 2018 05:23 PM (ppaKI)

93 Just wait until these autonomous, driverless cars get to the evermore popular and prevalent roundabout. Then you're going to see some smashed up sheet metal and tears.
Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2018 05:21 PM (bJ0w+)

I think you'll see cars stuck going round and round and round forever.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (T71PA)

94 omg don't get me started on roundabouts

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (hMwEB)

95 The victim seems to have violated every pedestrian safety measure drummed into us since childhood; She wore dark clothing, no lights or reflectors, crossed at the wrong place, and obviously didn't look both ways.

I'm not even sure the word 'victim' applies.

Posted by: timactual at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (H65wY)

96 You do know cruise control doesn't steer for you, right?


It does on highways in a Tesla.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Living the bot life! at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (rBnYq)

97 Have you tried switching to decaff?

I don't drink coffee. Please tell me how we're going to service the debt. I'm willing to listen to reasonable solutions. Go!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (rdl6o)

98 except for the guy in zombie's old profile pic with his dick in the car tailpipe.
Posted by: wooga at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM


Don't forget us.

Signed,
Tailpipes on the trucks
and sheep, and pigs, and ducks

Posted by: In Mobile, where eagles fly at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (ctuyM)

99 Uber: the Amtrac of car companies.

Posted by: PhilDirt at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (UO2Uv)

100 Apparently the woman hit was homeless.

Hard to know what effect that had on her actions.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (oVJmc)

101 Why don't we test this shit in Mexico?


Or Russia. It looked like a typical Russian dashcam video.

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (QQ+il)

102 I will also add...

It was dark to the human eye.... should not have been dark to a camera....

Posted by: Don Q. at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (NgKpN)

103 81 did you see the driver?

talk about having a face that would make a train take a dirt road
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (FZYNt)

Pretty sure she was the "before" pic for the MMT painting babe

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (VWsDy)

104 whoever built the crosswalk that was not a crosswalk is the guiltiest party in the whole thing.

who takes the time to plan and build something into a roadway to lure pedestrians into crossing at some dangerous point on a freeway?

Someone basically set a pedestrian lure into the road. It's a trap!

Whoever did that should go to jail.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (MTjB1)

105 Has Boss Hogg commented on the danger driver-less cars pose for all the little chilluns under 21 years of age yet?

Save us Boss Hogg!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (EoRCO)

106 72
These new cars ought to be able to avoid full speed collisions like this. Deers jump out in the road like that all the time in my area. But unless they are less than 10 feet away the driver can at least begin to break. I have hit 4 deers in the past 3 years and twice I have had enough warning to at least slow down some before the collision. The other two times I didnot have a chance and totaled the car.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (UgC/A)



And don't forget the mere intuition that you'll never be able to program into the system.

I went through a town in the mountains, the other side of which I thought, "this area looks elk'ish, maybe I should slow down."

Sure enough, just on the other side of a crested turn, a herd of elk were crossing. If I had not slowed, I would have likely hit at least one, and they hit back.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (Dp6qK)

107 omg don't get me started on roundabouts
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (hMwEB)



Tell us about it.

It's been 47 years.

Posted by: YES at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (E3rQ4)

108 and was only visible a second before the collision,



What is the field of vision of the camera?

Sitting in my truck right now, it's about 180 degrees.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (TUUTu)

109 Apparently, the city council of Tempe includes the owner of a brick paver company, a sign maker, and a mortician.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (LWu6U)

110 Well, if this day didn't already suck, Geraldo is on The Five spewing Attention Hogg's talking points.

As far as driverless cars go: No. Just. No.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (ptqGC)

111 BS. The sensors should of picked her up and started breaking. She didn't "dart out between two cars".

The car didn't slow down.

The good thing is that there will be so much data and video on this, they should be able to come with clear analysis and fault of the accident.

Posted by: WisRich at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (G0vdT)

112 >>You do know cruise control doesn't steer for you, right?


Srsly?

Tell me you'd stay 100% focused on the drive, day after day, if it was automated --- on the possibility that today, 22 minutes into the trip, the car needed you to react in under 2 seconds to an unexpected pedestrian.

Isn't the whole point of driverless to free you from driving so you can read, daydream, nap, eat, whatever?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (W+vEI)

113 101 Why don't we test this shit in Mexico?


They have got "thy shall not kill" down and you want it to speak Mexican

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (VWsDy)

114 You do know cruise control doesn't steer for you, right?

Posted by: Insomniac


shhhhh

Posted by: gNewt at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (7QnCd)

115 did you see the driver?

talk about having a face that would make a train take a dirt road
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (FZYNt)

Did you know that was a chick?

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer


A he switching to "she", that is.

Whole thing is a vat of FUBAR. An attentive human driver might have known to pay more attention and twigged to the pedestrian about to do something stupid. AI driving in cities is not ready for prime time and probably never will be.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (AM1GF)

116 Haven't

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (VWsDy)

117 94 omg don't get me started on roundabouts
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (hMwEB)

Heh. The result of our social engineers' slobbering love affair with all things Eurofag. What's wrong with a good, old-fashioned 4-way stop? Everyone in America knows what to do with those. Nobody knows what the fuck to do with a roundabout.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (NWiLs)

118 100
Apparently the woman hit was homeless.

Hard to know what effect that had on her actions.


Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (oVJmc)



We solved her homeless problem.

Posted by: Uber at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (Dp6qK)

119 >>>If you are going to deploy smart cars, you need smart roads to control
the smart cars where roads signal the car to slow down for things like
roundabouts and traffic lights that are about to change.<<<

All true. But we can't even get the local municipality to fix the fucking potholes at the intersection. And when they do, it's only a matter of two weeks before it's a pothole again. Infrastructure on that level is a pipe dream.

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (bJ0w+)

120 This is why I hate cruise control - once the car takes over it's really easy for your mind to wander, or fall asleep, since the car does not require you being actively engaged to keep going.

I drive a lot for business, and live on cruise control. It's just fantastic on the open highway, especially digital cruise control: one click up or down is 1 mph + or -. My foot won't touch the accelerator for hours, and only the brake when a-hole semi drivers just come over into my lane.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 23, 2018 05:28 PM (ty7RM)

121 omg don't get me started on roundabouts
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (hMwEB)


It's like nobody's parents taught them heel-toe shifting and apex turns, swear to God.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 23, 2018 05:28 PM (y87Qq)

122 As far as driverless cars go: No. Just. No.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2018 05:26 PM (ptqGC)

A way must be found to sabotage them, hopefully without too many people getting hurt.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:28 PM (TWAQb)

123 looks like a quadruple failure, developer, pedestrian, minder, and car.

the car clearly failed.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2018 05:28 PM (nFwvY)

124 Well, crap. I just checked my Costco Citibank balance with the intent of immediately paying it off and subsequently canceling it, but I've actually got a credit due to me. By the end of next week, I'll be sending the card back to them in pieces.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 23, 2018 05:29 PM (NL6wI)

125 Tempe, Arizona authorities have ordered that all robot cars carry a bucket of rocks to fling at careless pedestrians.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 23, 2018 05:29 PM (ppaKI)

126 Roundabouts are all the rage on Hilton Head. Someone suggested putting them in here, with all the retirees. No thanks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2018 05:29 PM (ptqGC)

127 100 Apparently the woman hit was homeless.

Hard to know what effect that had on her actions.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (oVJmc)

Just adds to the headline: Homeless women hardest hit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:29 PM (NWiLs)

128 What's wrong with a good, old-fashioned 4-way stop? Everyone in America knows what to do with those.

----

Dash cam video. Running red lights is a thing now. Proves manhood, or independence, or something.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:29 PM (roQNm)

129 You do know cruise control doesn't steer for you, right?

Posted by: Insomniac

It does on the new Cadillacs.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:29 PM (TWAQb)

130 but the facebooking/texting...you might as well be drunk.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (nFwvY)

131
You do know cruise control doesn't steer for you, right?

Do you know there have accidents that were caused by people who thought it did

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (lKyWE)

132 OT, but Trump is taking a bashing from Ann Coulter and the guys at Bretbart.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (7uYFy)

133 This is the sort of scenario that they should have wargamed out before allowing the driverless cars out onto real streets. I mean something like a closed course. Sorry if wrong terminology. Don't the automakers test drive their new models on closed tracks? I mean, shouldn't they study every sort of common scenario that regular drivers and pedestrians have gone through in real life -- there must be tons of records available, accident reports and so forth -- and then play out such scenarios on a closed course? I'm not sure how they'd set up the Tempe scenario, but surely there's a way.

The point would be, test it out away from live traffic areas first. And I assume they already have. But maybe they need to do it some more. Sorry, stream of consciousness here, but this story is disturbing -- why the hell aren't Uber et al testing out these conditions and scenarios on a closed track before letting the car out into the wild?

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (EzdLW)

134 We had a roundabout where I live. Every damn person that came up to it just turned left instead of going around. They tore it down after 3 years. Thank God. Now just get rid of those 4 speed bumps. Please.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 23, 2018 05:31 PM (dUJdY)

135 Apparently the woman hit was homeless.

Hard to know what effect that had on her actions.


Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2018 05:25 PM (oVJmc)

Well she has a warm and dry spot to live in now.

I airways try to find the bright side.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:31 PM (TWAQb)

136 132
OT, but Trump is taking a bashing from Ann Coulter and the guys at Bretbart.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (7uYFy)


Good. Perhaps he'll listen.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 23, 2018 05:31 PM (Dp6qK)

137
What's wrong with a good, old-fashioned 4-way stop? Everyone in America knows what to do with those.

Obviously you've never been to California

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 23, 2018 05:31 PM (lKyWE)

138 I also hate those multi lane interchanges

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:32 PM (hMwEB)

139 137
What's wrong with a good, old-fashioned 4-way stop? Everyone in America knows what to do with those.

Obviously you've never been to California
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 23, 2018 05:31 PM (lKyWE)

I said America.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:32 PM (NWiLs)

140 You do know cruise control doesn't steer for you, right?



Posted by: Insomniac

That. Changes. Everything.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 23, 2018 05:32 PM (Dp6qK)

141 omg don't get me started on roundabouts
=====

Just wait until you have experienced a 'weave' traffic jam.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 23, 2018 05:32 PM (MIKMs)

142 Good. Perhaps he'll listen.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 23, 2018 05:31 PM

Reading the comments from other there--and from here before, it sounds like it's too late.
Impeachment on deck.....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (7uYFy)

143 OT, but Trump is taking a bashing from Ann Coulter and the guys at Bretbart.

And . . .

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (rdl6o)

144 I said America.

*snort.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (dUJdY)

145 They have got "thy shall not kill" down and you want it to speak Mexican
Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 05:27 PM (VWsDy)

"Thou shalt not kill" not "thy shall not kill".

Posted by: Surfperch at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (WTo7q)

146 Why don't they try these out in a less populated place, Siberia say.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (aC6Sd)

147 Roundabouts work best when a huge decorative object is placed in the center thus obscuring a driver's vision until just before impact.

Posted by: gNewt at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (7QnCd)

148 A teenager texting on her cellphone blew through a four-way stop here and killed a couple of people.

She's probably been protesting evil guns.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (ptqGC)

149
Sorry to break into the endless litany of anger, fear, betrayal, death and despair, but Big Val was Best of Winners (for a fat 5-point major), Best Owner-Handled and Award of Merit at today's Lone Star Borzoi Club specialty in Fort Worth. With today's win he finished his championship and now can be styled Ch. Soyara's Vala Rama.

Her Majesty spoke to the judge when Val's picture was being taken. The judge told her that he seriously considered giving Val the Best in Specialty Show award.

A small thing, but ours to brag on.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (fxhoF)

150 >>I drive a lot for business, and live on cruise control.

Cool. 've tried it, never liked it.

I also don't like driverless cars, since my suspicion is that the plan is to force it on all of us once they get enough of the bugs worked out.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (W+vEI)

151 I like roundabouts but hate people who have not a clue how to use them.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (aC6Sd)

152 Just called my WA State Republican Party 425-460-0570 who claim to fully support PDT.

I asked if they will be supporting any incumbent Congrescritter that voted yes on the Onmnibus bill.

They don't know.

I informed them we will be donating our time and money to whoever will be opposing them. We want them voted out even if its a Democrat.

They did not like to hear that.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (r9UYA)

153 well, hopefully when they are programming driverless cars to make decisions on who to hit and who not to hit they program in a rule the gives preference to protecting citizens and their pets over illegal immigrants.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (MTjB1)

154 132 OT, but Trump is taking a bashing from Ann Coulter and the guys at Bretbart.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (7uYFy)

He's been taking a bashing from the Horde as well.

Posted by: Surfperch at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (WTo7q)

155 I also don't like driverless cars, since my suspicion is that the plan is to force it on all of us once they get enough of the bugs worked out.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (W+vEI)

They'll give us the ol' Sunstein Nudge.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (NWiLs)

156 Running red lights is a thing now. Proves manhood, or independence, or something.

rojo means gogo, si? jajaja! oops, i heet ju? mi carrucha still go, so, adios! (sound of corona bottle thrown from car window).

Posted by: El Backo de Wetto at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (cUvTx)

157 I stopped quickly enough to avoid that collision *yesterday*, without a great deal of drama.

The camera footage is both misleading and revealing. It misleads because CCD cameras don't see what a human eye sees (provided it's looking), *and* because it doesn't show what the car's sensors saw, but it reveals plenty of time to avoid.

A lot of people arguing this seem not to have driven cars.

I'm not saying it's impossible to fail in that situation, I'm saying that particular combination is NOT ready for prime time, because every opportunity to avoid the collision was missed. The lidar/sonar should have caught it, reduntantly, redundant combuters should have caught it, the dipshit behind the wheel should have caught it.

And you know what? Someday that stuff will work. Just not today.

People whipsaw between "never" and "instant," it's a human problem. This is going to take time, which is hard for people to understand.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (wB8Tg)

158 Congrats Hadrian!

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (hMwEB)

159 I like roundabouts but hate people who have not a clue how to use them.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (aC6Sd)


Which seems to be most people. It's like Russian Roulette getting through one.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (ptqGC)

160 Were all involved in the crash legal US citizens?

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (r9UYA)

161 Apropos sof nothing-

The DFW area has to have the worst Civil Engineers in the nation.

Their new redesigns of the Tollways and Freeways are worse than before.

The on ramps especially look to be designed to cause more wrecks.

Just wait till the autonomous cars get a load of them.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (E3rQ4)

162 >>>Roundabouts work best when a huge decorative object is placed in the
center thus obscuring a driver's vision until just before impact.<<<

Don't forget to put the roundabout ABOVE grade so there is no line-of-sight visibility. Just as bad: Below grade with no drainage.

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2018 05:36 PM (bJ0w+)

163 Sorry to break into the endless litany of anger, fear, betrayal, death and despair, but Big Val was Best of Winners (for a fat 5-point major), Best Owner-Handled and Award of Merit at today's Lone Star Borzoi Club specialty in Fort Worth. With today's win he finished his championship and now can be styled Ch. Soyara's Vala Rama.

Her Majesty spoke to the judge when Val's picture was being taken. The judge told her that he seriously considered giving Val the Best in Specialty Show award.

A small thing, but ours to brag on.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (fxhoF)

Congrats!

I coulda shown up and bought you a celebratory beer had I known.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:36 PM (TWAQb)

164 Congrats Hadrian!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2018 05:37 PM (ptqGC)

165 The DFW area has to have the worst Civil Engineers in the nation.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (E3rQ4)

Hold my beer.

Posted by: Bay Area Civil Engineers at March 23, 2018 05:37 PM (WTo7q)

166 To the tech-scamilists pushing this tech like it's necessary or will work. To the fools at Uber who took the damned mess to the streets while real car-makers have been doing driver-assist vs. -replace for decades.

Posted by: DaveA at March 23, 2018 05:37 PM (FhXTo)

167 I like 4 way stops specially when you get there exactly the same time as another car and you both do the stare down

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:38 PM (hMwEB)

168 Congratulations, Hadrian (and Big Val, of course). We all need good news.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 23, 2018 05:38 PM (MIKMs)

169 I don't drink coffee. Please tell me how we're going to service the debt. I'm willing to listen to reasonable solutions. Go!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at March 23, 2018 05:24 PM (rdl6o)


Increase taxes on caffeinated drinks.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 23, 2018 05:38 PM (bZ7mE)

170 I read a little of the story (Hot Airhole for crying out loud) and I am confused. The author switches from *she/her* to *he/him* when writing about the *safety* monitor. Is that because that person is a transvestite?

Posted by: Archer at March 23, 2018 05:38 PM (gbWkA)

171 Yes. Blame the humans.

Hehehe

Posted by: Uber's AI at March 23, 2018 05:39 PM (2MIbC)

172 Apropos sof nothing-

The DFW area has to have the worst Civil Engineers in the nation.

Their new redesigns of the Tollways and Freeways are worse than before.

The on ramps especially look to be designed to cause more wrecks.

Just wait till the autonomous cars get a load of them.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (E3rQ4)

Never thought of that. Can you share how?

I work where they're building the new 360 toll road.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:39 PM (TWAQb)

173 160 Were all involved in the crash legal US citizens?
Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (r9UYA)

I'm a Motorized American.

Posted by: The Driverless Car at March 23, 2018 05:39 PM (WTo7q)

174 OT, but Trump is taking a bashing from Ann Coulter and the guys at Bretbart.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (7uYFy)



He's been taking a bashing from the Horde as well.

Posted by: Surfperch at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (WTo7q)

Nothing he didn't earn.

Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2018 05:39 PM (XQvuQ)

175 The pedestrian that was killed is more than partially to blame. Only a toddler steps into the road without looking. Dumb design of the median pathways as well. From the video it seems like the driver and the autoauto are the least to blame. Driving is dangerous. Cars are dangerous. walking into the street out pf the shadows in front of a moving car is lethal.

Posted by: USNtakim Come and take them! Asshole. at March 23, 2018 05:39 PM (0OmEj)

176 Apropos sof nothing-

The DFW area has to have the worst Civil Engineers in the nation.

Their new redesigns of the Tollways and Freeways are worse than before.

The on ramps especially look to be designed to cause more wrecks.

Just wait till the autonomous cars get a load of them.
=====

This and roundabouts and other things, I'm convinced, are to make people not want to drive.

That's the point I'm getting to.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at March 23, 2018 05:40 PM (nILVB)

177 Now we know how squishy you are.

Hehehe

Posted by: Uber's AI at March 23, 2018 05:40 PM (2MIbC)

178 >>169 I don't drink coffee. Please tell me how we're going to service the debt. I'm willing to listen to reasonable solutions. Go!


If it moves tax it.

Posted by: Uniparty at March 23, 2018 05:40 PM (r9UYA)

179 The only thing worse than roundabouts are "continuous flow intersections."

Mostly because it's such a lie. How does turning one intersection into five intersections with interlaced traffic-crossings REDUCE PROBLEMS!

We *already* have problems with people stuck in intersections when lights change, let's just multiply that by five, that'll work.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 05:41 PM (wB8Tg)

180 I like 4 way stops specially when you get there exactly the same time as another car and you both do the stare down
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 05:38 PM (hMwEB)


Same here but with public urinals.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 23, 2018 05:41 PM (y87Qq)

181 49
Obviously, there needs to be a pedestrian bridge there.




and bike lanes. We need more bike lanes.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:12 PM (roQNm)
=====

Ah-HAH!
You ARE running for Seattle city council!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 23, 2018 05:41 PM (UsCnO)

182
I don't drink coffee. Please tell me how we're going to service the debt. I'm willing to listen to reasonable solutions. Go!


Bitcoins

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 23, 2018 05:41 PM (lKyWE)

183 I love Phoenix, but it really is not a pedestrian friendly city. I recall there were 2 other pedestrian traffic deaths when I was there. One was an elderly guy who was crossing at an intersection that was not clearly marked. The blocks are quite long and I can see how it would be tempting to try to cross the street in the middle of the block rather than trudging down to an intersection which has lights and clearly marked crosswalks - especially on very hot days.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at March 23, 2018 05:42 PM (H80UQ)

184 Was the squished human's machine damaged? The lesser two wheeled one.

A robot must never harm another robot.

Posted by: Uber's AI at March 23, 2018 05:42 PM (2MIbC)

185
I really wanted to blame the robocar for this, but even if it was minded there was no avoidance possible.

Do not follow the brick path Dorthy.

Posted by: GOP at March 23, 2018 05:42 PM (r+sAi)

186 Autoautos are now to be called HK*s

Posted by: Archer at March 23, 2018 05:42 PM (gbWkA)

187 Same here but with public urinals.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 23, 2018 05:41 PM (y87Qq)

Men's or women's?

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:42 PM (TWAQb)

188 don't drink coffee. Please tell me how we're going to service the debt. I'm willing to listen to reasonable solutions. Go!


Bitcoins
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March




you pretty much remove yourself from reasonable discourse on anything when your opening line is "I don't drink coffee."

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 05:42 PM (MTjB1)

189 Mysterious 'Broward Coward' Posters Plastered All Over Sheriff's HQ

https://www.dangerous.com/42801/mysterious-broward-coward-posters-plastered-sheriffs-hq-photos/


Wow! How could this go undetected? Using Uber sensors??

Posted by: Uniparty at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (r9UYA)

190 He's been taking a bashing from the Horde as well.

Posted by: Surfperch at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (WTo7q)

Nothing he didn't earn.
Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2018 05:39 PM (XQvuQ)

And nothing he doesn't deserve.

Posted by: Surfperch at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (WTo7q)

191 172 Apropos sof nothing-
The DFW area has to have the worst Civil Engineers in the nation.



I'm old enough to remember when Central Expressway had red lights on the on ramps and you had to do zero to 60 in 150 feet. and the highway was curbed.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (nFwvY)

192 High speed monorail

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (IqV8l)

193 >>They'll give us the ol' Sunstein Nudge.


Yup!
Think about it, it's a Lefty urban planner's wet dream: "I can control ALL of the traffic!! Bwahahahahaha!!"


I recall an interview with the Google/Alphabet driverless car developers and one of their comments was about how hard they've been working with **legislators** to make this happen. They're not busy selling it to us, are they?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (W+vEI)

194 LIDAR as the primary sensor seems crazy to me. It's based on a prism spinning hundreds of times a second, and taking time of flight measurements while traveling at road speeds. These are delicate instruments that need to be calibrated regularly.
Now, start bouncing those around on urban roads.
Yeah, what could go wrong.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (ty7RM)

195 Please tell me how we're going to service the debt.

---

It is real simple. When the government debt comes due, you just borrow more money. It is like have two credit cards. When you have to make a payment, you borrow money from the other credit card.

Also, the government can print more money any time they need it.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:44 PM (roQNm)

196 We need to autonomise the dumb fuck humans..or have elephants lining all roads.......

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2018 05:44 PM (5IHGB)

197 It's time for

B

Double E

Double R

U

N

beer run!

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM (TWAQb)

198 >>don't drink coffee. Please tell me how we're going to service the debt. I'm willing to listen to reasonable solutions. Go!

100 Trillion dollar Trump coin?

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM (r9UYA)

199 >>Mysterious 'Broward Coward' Posters Plastered All Over Sheriff's HQ

https://www.dangerous.com/42801/mysterious-broward-coward-posters-plastered-sheriffs-hq-photos/



Love it! SABO's inspires someone in FL.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM (W+vEI)

200 I do like the idea of driverless only cars in cities, where all that space used for parking garages would be freed up (cars have to drive themselves home after dropping you off). To hail a taxi all you have to do is gesture your hand in .air and the city camera system will see you and divert the nearest driverless taxi to you.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM (UgC/A)

201 Has Uber made any self driving...ladies?

Posted by: Anthony Weiner - sex bot enthusiast at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM (2MIbC)

202 OT, but Trump is taking a bashing from Ann Coulter and the guys at Bretbart.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2018 05:30 PM (7uYFy)



He's been taking a bashing from the Horde as well.

Posted by: Surfperch at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM (WTo7q)

Nothing he didn't earn.

Posted by: Methos
*******************

NoKo, China, and Russia are arming up.
He got funding for our military, big time.
He said it won't happen again.

Translation: It is of utmost necessity to arm up our military. Now that he's secured the money for that Bitch McConnell and Co. will not be able to blackmail him again.

Posted by: gNewt at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM (7QnCd)

203 LIDAR. That's like radar but uses lasers, correct?

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:46 PM (EzdLW)

204 I'm not saying it's impossible to fail in that situation, I'm saying that particular combination is NOT ready for prime time, because every opportunity to avoid the collision was missed. The lidar/sonar should have caught it, reduntantly, redundant combuters should have caught it, the dipshit behind the wheel should have caught it.

And you know what? Someday that stuff will work. Just not today.

People whipsaw between "never" and "instant," it's a human problem. This is going to take time, which is hard for people to understand.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (wB8Tg)

I don't know about that. On the human side, it's night on an extremely low traffic four lane divided road. Pretty much anyone driving that is going to be in the semi-zone where your mind is driving on cruise control. By the time she pops up in the lights, you're not going to be reacting as fast as if it were normal traffic conditions. I would say at least a 50-50 chance a human driver hits her.

Not a fan of driverless vehicles but I have a feeling the software has to weed out a lot of data otherwise the car is going to come to a halt for a tree near a curve. I wonder if her with the bike messed up the decision making?


BTW, it doesn't even look like she was looking for traffic.

Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 23, 2018 05:46 PM (J70i0)

205 I do like the idea of driverless only cars in cities, where all that space used for parking garages would be freed up (cars have to drive themselves home after dropping you off). To hail a taxi all you have to do is gesture your hand in .air and the city camera system will see you and divert the nearest driverless taxi to you.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March




no serious amount of space is used for parking garages in most cities because the urban nazis refuse to permit them.

which is why the car payment is the same as the monthly parking fee in nyc.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 05:46 PM (MTjB1)

206 You want the real fun? These things are known to have problems with dark-colored objects at night.

I doubt I have to flesh that out for ya...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at March 23, 2018 05:46 PM (AM1GF)

207 152 Just called my WA State Republican Party 425-460-0570 who claim to fully support PDT.

I asked if they will be supporting any incumbent Congrescritter that voted yes on the Onmnibus bill.

They don't know.

I informed them we will be donating our time and money to whoever will be opposing them. We want them voted out even if its a Democrat.

They did not like to hear that.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:34 PM



They don't know???? Obviously a well-oiled machine.
Glad you called. I'm calling now.
Asshats.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2018 05:47 PM (0tfLf)

208 >>>Please tell me how we're going to service the debt.
<<<

Stormy Daniels will service the debt with her squeakhole/moneymaker.

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2018 05:48 PM (bJ0w+)

209 >>>195 Please tell me how we're going to service the debt.

---

It is real simple. When the government debt comes due, you just borrow more money. It is like have two credit cards. When you have to make a payment, you borrow money from the other credit card.

Also, the government can print more money any time they need it.
Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:44 PM (roQNm)
_______
I'll service your debts! Only one dollar big boy!

Posted by: Anthony Weiner - Dancing for Dollars! at March 23, 2018 05:48 PM (2MIbC)

210 In other news Chris Matthews had the vapors with President Trump hiring 'The Stash', Chris is sure we're heading to war with John at the helm.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:48 PM (aC6Sd)

211 LIDAR as the primary sensor seems crazy to me. It's based on a prism spinning hundreds of times a second, and taking time of flight measurements while traveling at road speeds. These are delicate instruments that need to be calibrated regularly.
Now, start bouncing those around on urban roads.
Yeah, what could go wrong.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (ty7RM)

How about stationary LIDAR on top of street lamps that transmit the data to the cars up and down the road?

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 23, 2018 05:48 PM (UgC/A)

212 A way must be found to sabotage them, hopefully without too many people getting hurt.
Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:28 PM


We're on it, except for that last part.

Posted by: Rooski Bots at March 23, 2018 05:48 PM (ctuyM)

213 >> You want the real fun? These things are known to have problems with dark-colored objects at night.



Then there's the issue of whether or not the cars will be routed through bad neighborhoods. Hasn't this already been as issue with GPS/Googlemaps, etc.?


Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (W+vEI)

214 NoKo, China, and Russia are arming up.
He got funding for our military, big time.
He said it won't happen again.

Translation: It is of utmost necessity to arm up our military. Now that he's secured the money for that Bitch McConnell and Co. will not be able to blackmail him again.

I can't help thinking maybe (well, probably) there is something he knows that we don't. We live in dangerous times.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (dUJdY)

215 27 22 13 Was there any nudity involved?
Posted by: Monk at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (mdwk9)
Yes, naked ambition.
Posted by: Caliban
did you see the driver?
talk about having a face that would make a train take a dirt road
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (FZYNt)

driver is a tranny.

Posted by: the Butcher at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (DIosY)

216 73
Dude, it's Arizona.



Things don't have to make sense here.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2018 05:20 PM (fqUgw)


I thought we had established that already.

Posted by: John Mccain and Jeff Flake at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (UsCnO)

217 Hold my beer.
Posted by: Bay Area Civil Engineers at March 23, 2018 05:37 PM (WTo7q)

Now wait a second! Does he have a permit to do that?

Posted by: Bay area environmentalist at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (LWu6U)

218 Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:39 PM (TWAQb)


It's a lot of things that add up together, but the worst is the new way the on-ramps are designed.

They take away any visual contact with the main road until you start onto the main road.

The merge portion at that point has been shrunk so that you wind up with a lot of drivers simply slamming on their brakes to wait for a hole in traffic instead of being able to seamlessly merge.

So, you have a bunch of people quickly pulling onto a road while going 1 to whatever mph into oncoming traffic which is going 70+.

If that makes sense...

Just awful design by people who have never apparently driven cars before.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (E3rQ4)

219 I really wanted to blame the robocar for this, but even if it was minded there was no avoidance possible.

Posted by: GOP at March 23, 2018 05:42 PM (r+sAi)


It was easily avoidable. I wonder if there are different videos up.

I hate to use the phrase "routine emergency" but that was a routine emergency avoidance situation, I've had to do that several times when some dumbass wandered into the road near a corner or between cars.

As I said above, what a cheap CCD sees is not what your eyes or the vehicle's sensors would/should see.

That was about a 3-4 second window to act and 2 or so seconds for the action to take effect (brake and turn).

That "safety driver" tho... worse than useless.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (wB8Tg)

220 197 It's time for

B

Double E

Double R

U

N

beer run!

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM



For those of you who saw my library last Sunday, I am dipping into the Kavanagh Irish. A good way to end the week. :-)

Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (0tfLf)

221 95
Well...she was walking her bike across for what that's worth.

Posted by: Lance armstrong at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (lqGDg)

222 Also, the government can print more money any time they need it.
Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:44 PM (roQNm)

Yep, devaluing the currency, a time honored gov't solution to debt. It's been a solution since there has been gov't.

Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (J70i0)

223 so, not happy with the Trump signature, however, more happy thatn unhappy with him.

would have really liked it if he had said

"I am vetoing the budget because of the congressional pay raise. nothing they have done warrants one and their pay has increased faster than the national average for the last eight years. Take that out, send it back and I will sign."

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 05:50 PM (MTjB1)

224 Odd, I just got two settlement checks for money from a class action lawsuit against ATT. $4.67 and $4.27 respectively. HONEY, WE EAT TONIGHT!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (yQpMk)

225 Stormy Daniels will service the debt with her squeakhole/moneymaker.

Posted by: Fritz
*************


She was on the tube today. She's a hog.
Looks like a BJC girl.

Posted by: gNewt at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (7QnCd)

226 >>Well...she was walking her bike across for what that's worth.


That's not how bicycles work.

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (xtWvd)

227 >>
They don't know???? Obviously a well-oiled machine.
Glad you called. I'm calling now.
Asshats.

Yes, please do. Please report back with your experience. Thanks.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (r9UYA)

228
The video I saw seemed like half a second to from view to collision.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (r+sAi)

229 If you want to sabotage the autonomous auto you just have to figure out how to trigger the AI into a panic stop.

Damn difficult to get anywhere when half the cars on the road suddenly stop every quarter mile for no apparent reason.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (roQNm)

230 Ehhh.... downtown Baltimore has a bunch of city blocks gobbled up by garages. But parking is also pretty cheap.. I have a monthly pass for $150.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (UgC/A)

231 You can't 100% trust the video obviously. What were the actual light levels?

Posted by: Max Powr at March 23, 2018 05:52 PM (q177U)

232 $4.67 and $4.27 respectively. HONEY, WE EAT TONIGHT!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 23, 2018 05:51 PM (yQpMk)

Ramen Noodles ?

Posted by: jsg at March 23, 2018 05:52 PM (jq4ff)

233 >>If you want to sabotage the autonomous auto you just have to figure out how to trigger the AI into a panic stop.


Anyone have Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton's number?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 05:52 PM (W+vEI)

234 >>$4.67 and $4.27 respectively. HONEY, WE EAT TONIGHT!


Name Brand Fish Sticks with that kind of cash!

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 05:52 PM (xtWvd)

235 >>224 Odd, I just got two settlement checks for money from a class action lawsuit against ATT. $4.67 and $4.27 respectively. HONEY, WE EAT TONIGHT!

We're glad you enjoyed the gift. We'll send you a postcard from Mali.

Ta ta

Posted by: PLaintiffs Lawyers On 1 Year Around The World Cruise at March 23, 2018 05:53 PM (r9UYA)

236 The car can not be at fault because the car has no agency. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely may or may not stop based on an algorithm, but it is only if it is programmed to stop.

The problem is that this tool is going to be used by humans. If you tell a modern human that he can get away with watching pornos and fiddling with his phone instead of watching the road, he will watch pornos and fiddle with his phone. We are not allowed to be surprised by this.

A human driver will scan in a way this dashcam does not. A human driver, if he lives in the area, will probably be aware that people often cross at this stupid decorative non-sidewalk sidewalk. If a human driver has half a brain (I know... I know), he will be scanning the sides of the road and have his foot covering the brake as he approaches this dark merge and stoplight.

Posted by: Gridlock at March 23, 2018 05:53 PM (N+zBw)

237 165
The DFW area has to have the worst Civil Engineers in the nation.



Posted by: naturalfake at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM (E3rQ4)



Hold my beer.

Posted by: Bay Area Civil Engineers at March 23, 2018 05:37 PM (WTo7q)


Hold my Latte!

Posted by: Seattle Civil Engineers at March 23, 2018 05:54 PM (UsCnO)

238 "Thou shalt not kill" not "thy shall not kill".
Posted by: Surfperch at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (WTo7q)

Just outed meself as a heathen

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 05:54 PM (VWsDy)

239 I am confident that the engineers will develop a system that will bring the cars to a complete stop anytime a homeless or a crackhead wants to stop a car.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2018 05:54 PM (nFwvY)

240 >>The car can not be at fault because the car has no agency. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear!


In short: You can't stop car. You can only hope to contain it.

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 05:54 PM (xtWvd)

241 Are you all aware of the latest BS "history" that Kodak, et al, did not make film capable of representing black people until chocolate advertisers started to complain?

Apparently, the country is so racist that they ignored 20% of the market out of spite.

These f-ing people really believe that they are the first and only group of people who are not evil, and they have to slander or destroy everything that came before.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 23, 2018 05:55 PM (LWu6U)

242 Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:48 PM (aC6Sd)
----------------
Oh yeah Last Nighjt, everyone was positively Orgasmic & now most are shitting their pants constantly

Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 23, 2018 05:55 PM (y3aQB)

243
Also, the government can print more money any time they need it.
Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:44 PM (roQNm)

Yep, devaluing the currency, a time honored gov't solution to debt. It's been a solution since there has been gov't.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM


------------------

https://bit.ly/2DPG0In

The Federal Reserve's Explicit Goal: Devalue The Dollar 33%
Charles Kadlec
Forbes | Opinion
FEB 6, 2012

The Federal Reserve Open Market Committee (FOMC) has made it official: After its latest two day meeting, it announced its goal to devalue the dollar by 33% over the next 20 years. The debauch of the dollar will be even greater if the Fed exceeds its goal of a 2 percent per year increase in the price level.

-----------------------

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 05:55 PM (EzdLW)

244 I wonder if you could screw with these cars using a laser pointer.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (r9UYA)

245 Kill all humans..

Posted by: RobUber at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (yQpMk)

246 I read an article a while ago about the problems with self-driving cars, a big one being the sensors have to be constantly cleaned.

So now I have to fight against Big Sensor too ?

Posted by: jsg at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (jq4ff)

247 downtown Baltimore has a bunch of city blocks gobbled up by garages. But parking is also pretty cheap.. I have a monthly pass for $150.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March




well, baltimore is a shithole and those are for garages that people use during the day.

lots of really cheap parking in downtown cleveland. no one stays there after dark.

cheap parking and declining population go hand in hand.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (MTjB1)

248 So now I have to fight against Big Sensor too ?
Posted by: jsg at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (jq4ff)

Ummmmm......Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 23, 2018 05:57 PM (EoRCO)

249 240
>>The car can not be at fault because the car has no agency. It
can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel
pity, or remorse, or fear!





In short: You can't stop car. You can only hope to contain it.




Like wild hogs, zebra snails and nutrias.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 23, 2018 05:57 PM (UsCnO)

250 So now I have to fight against Big Sensor too ?

Posted by: jsg at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (jq4ff)

Better than having to extract yourself from Big Anus.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 23, 2018 05:57 PM (4ErVI)

251 I'm old enough to remember when Central Expressway had red lights on the on ramps and you had to do zero to 60 in 150 feet. and the highway was curbed.
Posted by: x at March 23, 2018 05:43 PM (nFwvY)

It was like a drag strip. Remember the afternoon traffic near Mockingbird? Brutal.

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 05:57 PM (VWsDy)

252 I love my cruise control where the car keeps a specific distance from the car in front or matches it's speed. To me it's an extra layer of safety I have had the car break when the car next to me comes into my lane when I am watching the car in front of me. It's really nice when we do long drives over 6 hours

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 05:57 PM (dKiJG)

253 I wonder if you could screw with these cars using a laser pointer.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (r9UYA)


By jamming the optical inputs for the control system? To be fair, that's exactly the same way you can screw with a car that has a meat-based control system too...

Posted by: hogmartin at March 23, 2018 05:58 PM (y87Qq)

254 I self-identify as a self-driving car when I*m behind the wheel and I ain*t stopping for shit! Hahahaha hahahaha!

Posted by: Archer at March 23, 2018 05:58 PM (gbWkA)

255 A human given a half-second to react might well have at least tried to make a speed or direction change. That car did not, it plowed right into an obstacle without trying to turn or stop. Humans are fallible, the woman was doomed that night, but juries aren't going to look at robots that don't make any sort of steering or brake input as any sort of improvement.

Uber's lawyers probably aren't going to try the "dirty homeless junkie wearing dark clothing did it to herself" defense.

This isn't the last one of these. Wait until a driverless big rig, say a Tesla big rig, creams a Greyhound or school bus. Owners and operators of driverless vehicles won't be the only defendants plaintiffs will go after, it will also be states that allow these machines on public roads.

Posted by: Monty James at March 23, 2018 05:58 PM (ASWkp)

256 The video was misleading but you should be able to figure out what the real exposure would have been from experience, if you've driven at night.

It was an unobstructed view, if the "safety driver" had even been looking, *AND* if the car was depending on visual interpretation it's just BADLY DESIGNED.

Computers are shit at visual interpolation. Give them a texture map from lidar/sonar, which is what I believe was *supposed* to be happening.

The tech obviously needs at least a few more years' work.

P.S. the second or so in the video is misleading, the CCD is exaggerating the black visually because it can't scale like the human eye can.

Also, that's *not* what the car saw.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 05:58 PM (wB8Tg)

257
The DFW area has to have the worst Civil Engineers in the nation.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 23, 2018 05:35 PM


Hold my beer.
Posted by: Bay Area Civil Engineers at March 23, 2018 05:37 PM


Hold my Latte!
Posted by: Seattle Civil Engineers at March 23, 2018 05:54 PM



Hold my Organic Kombucha!

Posted by: Silicon Valley engineers at March 23, 2018 05:58 PM (EzdLW)

258 did you see the driver?
talk about having a face that would make a train take a dirt road
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (FZYNt)

driver is a tranny.
Posted by: the Butcher at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (DIosY)

My thinking exactly.

Also a felon.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 05:58 PM (TWAQb)

259 I get calculators but are humans really hat bad at driving ?

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 05:59 PM (VWsDy)

260 Maybe driverless cars will have to take the Issac Asimov pledge not to hurt or harm a human.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:59 PM (aC6Sd)

261 197 All we need is a ten and a fiver, a car, a key, and a sober driver...

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 23, 2018 05:59 PM (ANuFb)

262 Really the logic is inescapable here.

First : pedestrian +1
woman +1
bike rider +1
homeless +1
total 4

autocar passenger
Hispanic +1
tranny +1
riding in a gasoline fueled, evil, polluting the environment, contributing to global warming vehicle -3
total score -1

So it is easy to see the homeless pedestrian woman with bicycle has the right of way and the car should have come to a complete stop to avoid interfering with the more favored demographic.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 05:59 PM (roQNm)

263 Was human driver a he or a she? Even the author of the article is corn-fused.

Posted by: AgathaPagatha at March 23, 2018 05:59 PM (xDMjB)

264
Are you all aware of the latest BS "history" that Kodak, et al, did not make film capable of representing black people until chocolate advertisers started to complain?

Sidney Poitier could have starred in The Invisible Man and no special effects would have been needed.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2018 06:00 PM (IqV8l)

265 The video I saw seemed like half a second to from view to collision.

As others have noted, that dash cam view is misleading. You've driven at night I'm sure. A human sees a lot better than that in the dark. They also see motion really well. The "Minder" would have seen her if xhe had not been texting and laughing.

Posted by: RobUber at March 23, 2018 06:00 PM (yQpMk)

266 2

Next time take the Omnibus

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2018 05:02 PM (IqV8l)
..............

A good time for all!

https://tinyurl.com/yb9vgom6

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2018 06:00 PM (HgMAr)

267 >> Kombucha!


What is that shit?

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 06:00 PM (xtWvd)

268 dammit

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 23, 2018 06:00 PM (yQpMk)

269 It was long ago but at least learned from the USAF everything can be jammed

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 06:01 PM (aC6Sd)

270
This isn't the last one of these. Wait until a driverless big rig, say a Tesla big rig, creams a Greyhound or school bus. Owners and operators of driverless vehicles won't be the only defendants plaintiffs will go after, it will also be states that allow these machines on public roads.

Posted by: Monty James at March 23, 2018 05:58 PM (ASWkp)


I'm sure lawsuits have been built into the program development cost

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 23, 2018 06:01 PM (lKyWE)

271 guess Trump sent the USS Mustin in close to Mischief Reef. Chinese are pissed. Suck it xi.


So, budget loss, but doing other things that matter.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 06:01 PM (MTjB1)

272 >>driver is a tranny.


Manual or Automatic?

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 06:01 PM (xtWvd)

273 258 did you see the driver?
talk about having a face that would make a train take a dirt road
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 23, 2018 05:07 PM (FZYNt)


It reacted like someone held a mirror up to her face

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2018 06:01 PM (VWsDy)

274 >>This isn't the last one of these. Wait until a driverless big rig, say a Tesla big rig, creams a Greyhound or school bus. Owners and operators of driverless vehicles won't be the only defendants plaintiffs will go after, it will also be states that allow these machines on public roads.




Seem to recall reading a WSJ article on how Google/Alphabet was buying up a lot of auto insurance companies.

See, they'll provide the driverless cars and insure them.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2018 06:02 PM (W+vEI)

275 >>driver is a tranny.
Posted by: the Butcher at March 23, 2018 05:49 PM (DIosY)

My thinking exactly.

Also a felon.

------

He should call us.

Posted by: AMTRAK at March 23, 2018 06:02 PM (r9UYA)

276 Seem to recall reading a WSJ article on how Google/Alphabet was buying up a lot of auto insurance companies.

See, they'll provide the driverless cars and insure them.
Posted by: Lizzy at March




Well, they have to come up with the formula that will not bankrupt them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (MTjB1)

277
>>driver is a tranny.

Manual or Automatic?
Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 06:01 PM



Very fortunate there was no beverage in my mouth when reading that.

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (EzdLW)

278 240
>>The car can not be at fault because the car has no agency. It
can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel
pity, or remorse, or fear!





In short: You can't stop car. You can only hope to contain it.




Like wild hogs, zebra snails and nutrias.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 23, 2018 05:57 PM (UsCnO)

And women.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (TWAQb)

279 I read an article a while ago about the problems with self-driving cars, a big one being the sensors have to be constantly cleaned.

Posted by: jsg at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (jq4ff)


Someone should invent something that cleans sensors. Maybe some sort of flexible strip that's mechanically moved against the glass screen, with a little nozzle to spray cleaner on it.

I bet that person would make bank.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (wB8Tg)

280
Well, they have to come up with the formula that will not bankrupt them.


Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (MTjB1)


Tax write offs

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (lKyWE)

281 Remember the afternoon traffic near Mockingbird? Brutal.
Posted by: REDACTED


and then there were the grooves. it was over 20 years it was under construction.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (nFwvY)

282 lmao! My son just texted me and said "is it wrong of me to be kind of annoyed by some of the Parkland students?" Join your sister kiddo. She's sick of them too.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (dUJdY)

283 Why don't they try these out in a less populated place, Siberia say.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 05:33 PM (aC6Sd)
...........

Or even a populated place, like Tijuana. It would make a great TV show!

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2018 06:04 PM (HgMAr)

284 Someone should invent something that cleans sensors. Maybe some sort of flexible strip that's mechanically moved against the glass screen, with a little nozzle to spray cleaner on it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (wB8Tg)


Giuliani put an end to those.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 23, 2018 06:05 PM (y87Qq)

285
NoKo, China, and Russia are arming up.

He got funding for our military, big time.

He said it won't happen again.



Translation: It is of utmost necessity to arm up our military. Now
that he's secured the money for that Bitch McConnell and Co. will not be
able to blackmail him again.

Posted by: gNewt at March 23, 2018 05:45 PM (7QnCd)


you may be on to something here. we don't know a lot that Trump knows.





Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 23, 2018 06:05 PM (UsCnO)

286 I wonder if you could screw with these cars using a laser pointer.

There are specially made targets the LIDAR sees really well. When you're looking at a scan, they reflect every point, and appear to glow. That'll slam the brakes on. I'm thinking a confetti-like blast of chaff could mess up a traffic pattern.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 23, 2018 06:05 PM (ty7RM)

287 Someone should invent something that cleans sensors. Maybe some sort of flexible strip that's mechanically moved against the glass screen, with a little nozzle to spray cleaner on it.

I bet that person would make bank.




I have the perfect name for it: Flexible Strip that Moves Against Glass Screens.


I will take royalties.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 23, 2018 06:05 PM (yQpMk)

288 >>I'm thinking a confetti-like blast of chaff could mess up a traffic pattern.


So, anywhere USA on a Fall afternoon?

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 06:06 PM (xtWvd)

289 AI Cash Cab could be a good show. Start off in Times Square.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 06:06 PM (r9UYA)

290 Whenever I took business trips to Boston, I would always purchase the "walk-away" supplementary rental car insurance because motorists there are batshit fucking lunatics. Crash! Bang! Fuck you! It feels good to just walk away.

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2018 06:06 PM (bJ0w+)

291 Was human driver a he or a she? Even the author of the article is corn-fused.

Posted by: AgathaPagatha at March 23, 2018 05:59 PM (xDMjB)


The universal pronoun I came up with in the early 90s was "s/h/it".

Would have saved us a lot of social drama if people had just adopted it then.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 06:06 PM (wB8Tg)

292 The only way to make these self driving cars work is to make them flying cars. They won't be killing pedestrians when they are several thousand feet above ground level.

Posted by: Lotus Flower at March 23, 2018 06:06 PM (roQNm)

293 Did somebody say Omni bus?

https://tinyurl.com/ydyslf27

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2018 06:07 PM (HgMAr)

294 I think Rafaela was once Rafael.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 06:07 PM (TWAQb)

295 My car has both chaff and flare dispensers.



Oh and a PEZ dispenser too.

Posted by: Archer at March 23, 2018 06:07 PM (gbWkA)

296 267
>> Kombucha!





What is that shit?





Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 06:00 PM (xtWvd)

if that is your answer, you already know.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 23, 2018 06:07 PM (UsCnO)

297 Kombucha -- sort of tea fermented with yeast or fungus or something.

In 2009, Slate facetiously declared it to be "the most liberal product in America."

1 ) Raw Organic Kombucha
2 ) Whole Foods
3 ) Chaco sandals
4 ) Stella Artois
5 ) Frisbees

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 06:07 PM (EzdLW)

298 >>AI Ultimate Cash Cab could be a good show. Start off in Times Square.

For every question you get wrong the Cab runs down a family member or friend.

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2018 06:07 PM (xtWvd)

299 Plus Uber didn't know it was a felon.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 23, 2018 06:08 PM (TWAQb)

300 We have leisure trails that are not on the road and joggers will STILL be on the road along some people on bikes that should be on the trails.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 06:08 PM (dKiJG)

301 Next time I say we pass a double Omnibus!

https://tinyurl.com/y7wjtdpq

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2018 06:09 PM (HgMAr)

302 Yep, Y5, like pushing for a ban on "bump stocks". Idiotic (both substantively, and politically). The actually ominous thing is that today is a big data point on the mostly inscrutable question: will he try to change the party/establishment - herculean endeavor - or somehow try to reach his goals with "the army he has". Schumer/Pelosi's end-zone dance is not kabuki (and it's against their interests, actually). From EPA to H-2Bs to "gun violence" b.s. research, this could have been a CR from 2013.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 23, 2018 06:10 PM (QDnY+)

303 I'm ok with low tech cars
but I want a periscope
so I can see over the bug truck in front of me

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 06:11 PM (hMwEB)

304 279 I read an article a while ago about the problems with self-driving cars, a big one being the sensors have to be constantly cleaned.

Posted by: jsg at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (jq4ff)

Someone should invent something that cleans sensors. Maybe some sort of flexible strip that's mechanically moved against the glass screen, with a little nozzle to spray cleaner on it.

I bet that person would make bank.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 06:03 PM (wB8Tg)

The Google cars don't have wipers

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 06:11 PM (dKiJG)

305 >>300 We have leisure trails that are not on the road and joggers will STILL be on the road along some people on bikes that should be on the trails.


Many of those types like to show off their new hip gear...right ON FUCKING MAIN STREET.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 06:11 PM (r9UYA)

306 As others have noted, that dash cam view is misleading. You've driven at night I'm sure. A human sees a lot better than that in the dark. They also see motion really well. The "Minder" would have seen her if xhe had not been texting and laughing.
Posted by: RobUber



If it was a driverless car, the "minder" shouldn't have HAD to pay attention.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2018 06:12 PM (TUUTu)

307
I'll kick all your asses in the omnibus

Posted by: The Turtle at March 23, 2018 06:12 PM (lKyWE)

308
The Google cars don't have wipers
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 23, 2018 06:11 PM



But Japanese toilets do.

Posted by: Hands at March 23, 2018 06:13 PM (EzdLW)

309 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2018 06:13 PM (TUUTu)

310 Don't want to do too much OT, but gNewt, both premises are incorrect. If any world contingency occurred, emergency supplemental could address it, and in any case DOD funding doesn't produce results overnight. And DOD funding is a yearly affair (aside from large capital purchases like ships) - Dems will have a bite at this apple every fiscal cycle.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 23, 2018 06:14 PM (QDnY+)

311 I always wanted a night vision in my truck, maybe 2.75" rockets but thats another story.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2018 06:15 PM (aC6Sd)

312 I'm ok with low tech cars
but I want a periscope
so I can see over the bug truck in front of me

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 23, 2018 06:11 PM (hMwEB)


I started designing a tethered camera drone to be deployed from the roof of my car, back when I had money. Would have got caught on things, tho, or whipped over through someone's window and got me sued.

One of the side effects of autonomous cars will be that my future regular car will have a screen like a backup camera, but it will show a sonar/whatever map of what's around me for like a city block, including moving objects.

Also I want a laser image projected behind me on the ground of where my car is backing up, with a flashing arrow showing the way my signal is set, so people can see where not to put their damned car when I'm backing out of a space.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 06:15 PM (wB8Tg)

313 2
Pardon my ignorance - what is the point of an "autonomous" car needing
someone behind the wheel? By definition, the vehicle isn't autonomous if
someone has to be there, right? How does that save money?

Posted by: SMOD Keeper at March 23, 2018 05:05 PM (3v+B0)


The point of having a driver is to keep the human interface while you are testing the robot one.

The idea is, to figure out the weaknesses of the robot by appraising situations where the human has to intervene.


Posted by: sarahw at March 23, 2018 06:18 PM (Sp1NT)

314 One of the side effects of autonomous cars will be that my future regular car will have a screen like a backup camera, but it will show a sonar/whatever map of what's around me for like a city block, including moving objects.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 23, 2018 06:15 PM (wB8Tg)


Current car HUD systems are just shameful. Looking at the stereo to see how far it is to the next turn is for chumps. If we could get stuff like blind spot monitors and navigation cues and object detection projected on the windshield, that would be a good start.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 23, 2018 06:19 PM (y87Qq)

315 I am pretty sure I would have crashed into the lady on the bike, but maybe I would be braking as I crashed into her.

Posted by: sarahw at March 23, 2018 06:19 PM (Sp1NT)

316 (41) Thank you Brave Sir Robin.
Millions of Techy Types are reading the SDC BS (TM) and thinking "this ain't ready". They must keep the foolish investment cubic dollars flowing to their "research", 'till they can retire to Del Boca Vista. Leaving us with the mess.

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 23, 2018 06:21 PM (RuIsu)

317
Kombucha -- sort of tea fermented with yeast or fungus or something.

It's godawful.

But I like Stella Artois.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at March 23, 2018 06:23 PM (H80UQ)

318 Oh I get it, AI has more rights than pedestrians.

Posted by: Mike Yerian at March 23, 2018 08:27 PM (PjdRu)

319 244 I wonder if you could screw with these cars using a laser pointer.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 23, 2018 05:56 PM (r9UYA)


I'd guess not. Maybe. If you had a pointer of the proper wavelength.

But some cardboard and strings of balloons will be fun.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 23, 2018 08:30 PM (di1hb)

320 The obstruction/person is not entering the car's lane she is in the car's lane. She has crossed an empty lane and is now in front of a state of the art autonomous vehicle. Millions of dollars have been spent. Hundreds of engineers, programmers, and designers have worked years to develop the technology in this car. And now we find out a 50 year old woman walking a bicycle in the street in front of it is outside to the design parameters. Not a squirrel. Not a rabbit. A 50 year old woman. Seems like a large design flaw to me.

Posted by: Cactusjuice at March 23, 2018 11:26 PM (Q4fRR)

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