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Weekend Gun Thread

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There are evil people. And it is the job of people in authority to protect us from them. Especially when they have direct knowledge of them. Heads need to roll. NOW

Eighteen months before Nikolas Cruz shot up Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, staff were so worried about his fascination with guns that they banned him from practicing shooting skills with the JROTC, according to mental health records obtained by the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

A safety plan created by the school for Cruz in September 2016 also prohibited him from carrying a backpack on campus.


To make matters worse, Broward County f*cked up worse than first known.

The Broward County Sheriff’s Office has caught a lot of heat in the aftermath of Parkland. While I feel for the good men and women of that department, the truth remains that some hinky stuff went on, and it was made all the worse in my mind by Sheriff Scott Israel immediately turning around and blaming the Second Amendment for the tragedy.

However, it seems that not only did officers fail to enter the school when they arrived, thus potentially resulting in more deaths, but they violated their own policy in the process.

Judicial Watch today released Broward County Sheriff’s Office training and operation materials that specifically dictate that the first one or two officers on the scene of an active shooter incident “will immediately go to confront the shooter.”


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I carry a hand gun because:

I CARRY A HANDGUN BECAUSE:

* Evil exists and may confront anyone at any time and any place.

* God exists and expects me to protect myself, those I love, and those that can’t protect themselves.

* When God leads me into such situations, as He sometimes has, He expects me to be prepared, and so I am.

* Self-defense is a God-given, natural, unalienable right.

* To fail to protect God’s greatest gift, the gift of life, is inexcusable.

* My life is worth far more to me, those that love me, and to a just society than the lives of vicious criminals and terrorists.

* The lives of the innocent—friend or stranger—are worth far more to me and to a just society than the lives of vicious criminals and terrorists.

* Three times in my life I have raised my right hand and sworn a solemn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. I have never betrayed those oaths and never will.

* By carrying my handgun, I honor the foresight and wisdom of the Founders in writing the Second Amendment.


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We have quite a few lurkers & Morons who are inexperienced with guns. We all were at one time. A beginners guide to the shotgun. Just remember don't instruct your little brother to hold it about 2"-3" away from his shoulder. Just sayin'.


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In 1953 the CIA finds out about the AK-47.

In April 1953, the Central Intelligence Agency received its first report of what would become the most recognized weapon of the 20th century: the AK-47 assault rifle. Within twenty years, the mysterious “submachine gun” sighted on the outskirts of Leningrad would spread worldwide, carried by soldiers, guerrillas, and terrorists from East Germany to Angola.


The NRA, gun owners and people who support the 2nd Amendment have taken enough verbal abuse since the Parkland shooting. The collective "we" Don't need to be giving our opponents any ammo so to speak.

At around 1:20pm March 13, Seaside police responded to an incident at Seaside High School after a report of a teacher accidentally discharging a firearm in a classroom. That teacher, Dennis Alexander, is also a Seaside councilmember and reserve officer for Sand City Police Department, and he was teaching an administration of justice class (Alexander is also a math teacher).

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An interesting video, How to stop school shootings.


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The LifeCard-Credit Card Pistol


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Just remember the next time someone asks why do you need a semi-automatic firearm. You answer a question with a question, why did Rosa Parks need to sit in front of the bus? Rights do not need reasons.


Tips, stories, .22LR ammo can be sent to petmorons at gmail.

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Comments

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1 Not enough bacon.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 18, 2018 07:12 PM (I/iGu)

2 'Bout time! We have expectations here! (Thanks, MH.)

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at March 18, 2018 07:13 PM (7oUUT)

3 I remain convinced that the best improvement you can make to any duty pistol is Pachmayr grips.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 07:13 PM (yQpMk)

4 Heads, now appearing in the role of King Richard the Third.

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at March 18, 2018 07:15 PM (yzxic)

5 *Giggles and goes dashing around the gun thread until the hose is brought out*

Now to read the content...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:15 PM (xJa6I)

6 I have Pachmayr's on my Colt 357, love them.

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2018 07:15 PM (aC6Sd)

7 Rights do not need reasons.

I want this embroidered on a sampler.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 07:16 PM (yQpMk)

8 Pachmayr's are Crocs for guns.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at March 18, 2018 07:16 PM (7oUUT)

9 "...Heads need to role..."?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at March 18, 2018 07:17 PM (e9G8E)

10 DiploMad has this link every day, timing is everything.
https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2018/03/incredible-craftsmanship.html

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2018 07:17 PM (aC6Sd)

11 @7: "I want this embroidered on a sampler."

Or cross-stitched and framed to hide a small gun safe in your wall.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 18, 2018 07:17 PM (I/iGu)

12 I have Pachmayr's on my Colt 357, love them.

They must have the patent on that fine rubber grid that makes them nonslip in any condition. If I'm using it to fight for my life, I want Pachmayrs on it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 07:18 PM (yQpMk)

13 Not sure it's legal to arrest someone who hasn't committed a crime yet.


Posted by: ALH at March 18, 2018 07:18 PM (7XQIP)

14 As travel season approaches, be advised that there is a gem of a museum in Lexington Va off Interstate 81 with a fabulous collection of rare firearms. It as at the Virginia Military Institute and is open to the public for a free will donation.

A good stop for a travel break for you Morons.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 18, 2018 07:18 PM (tLRcG)

15 The original wood grips were to small I thought, replaced them almost immediately

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2018 07:18 PM (aC6Sd)

16 5 years....it took FIVE FREAKING YEARS for the CIA to be aware of the AK 47????!!!??

What they hell did we pay those children for?

Gah.

Also, I was...ahem...rather fascinated with firearms as a young lad as well. I didn't shoot up my school. Because I was raised not to be a shithead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:19 PM (xJa6I)

17 "At around 1:20pm March 13, Seaside police responded to an incident at Seaside High School after a report of a teacher accidentally discharging a firearm in a classroom. That teacher, Dennis Alexander, is also a Seaside councilmember and reserve officer for Sand City Police Department, and he was teaching an administration of justice class (Alexander is also a math teacher)."


A few years ago we had one of our 'Resource Officers' drive away with his service weapon on top of his car. It was found in the parking lot by a student. Ooops.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 18, 2018 07:21 PM (tLRcG)

18 I have Pachmayrs on two of my pistols. They do help soak up the recoil but they add bulk. Talon Grips are very thin and useful on high-recoil pistols like the Glock 36.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:21 PM (xJa6I)

19 And my last show and tell, the train Lawrence of Arabia blew up while his Arabs were attacking the Turks in 1917
https://tinyurl.com/yczqm6r8

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2018 07:23 PM (aC6Sd)

20 I just put a set of wraparound Pachs on my surprise Beretta 92. I was worried that they would overly fatten up an already thick handle but the difference is not noticeable.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 07:24 PM (yQpMk)

21 I'm impressed with your productivity MisHum. You're as fertile as an immigrant's wife. I don't know what I meant by that but you turn out a lot of quality material. Get some rest.

Posted by: Northernlurker Worldwide Moron Tour at March 18, 2018 07:25 PM (nBr1j)

22 The only hand gun I carry is my Johnson.

Because, Johnson. Lubed and polished.

Posted by: Fritz at March 18, 2018 07:26 PM (bJ0w+)

23 The CIA didn't find out about the AK-47 (as in 1947) until 1953?

Posted by: josephistan at March 18, 2018 07:27 PM (ANIFC)

24
John-Wayne-Lee-Marvin-grade guns & systems, circa 1963

Napalm, Bombs...: "Tactical Weapons Effects Tests"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig4XOziHC2Q

Posted by: Arbalest at March 18, 2018 07:27 PM (FlRtG)

25 Ok, wall o' text, easily skippable range report follows:

This week's range trip was shortned due to stupid bronchitis. But it was a 'wood and steel' trip. I took my Smith & Wesson Model 10 and my Tanfoglio Witness in 45 ACP. The Witness had just come out of the shop to fix a bug with the safety. Every time I fired the pistol, the damn safety would go on. Very annoying.

I still don't really enjoy shooting revolvers but I am absurdly fond of the S&W Model 10. It's just...so revolver-y. Very accurate in single action, in double action it's not as good as my automatics but 'good enough'. It just does so much right in such a simple, functional package.

I still hate Magtech ammo, though. Dirty as a Catholic Schoolgirl on suspension. But not as much fun. Still, to stretch the metaphor to the pornographic breaking point, they get the job done.

The Tanfoglio Witness worked fine, even using the cheap Winchester brown box 45 ACP. I'm not 'used' to the pistol yet, but when I focus on the front sight, it does fine. Oddly, I'm not as accurate with it as I am with my Glocks and Springfields. The trigger, even in single action, isn't as consistent as the striker-fired pistols.
But the extra weight is welcome and it is a very solid and controllable pistol, even in rapid fire (where it does shine compared to lighter polymer guns).
One hiccup, I had a round try to 'nose in' rather than chamber when I used the slide release instead of slingshoting the slide home. This might be a magazine issue and I don't consider it a true malfunction as it chambered the round with a light tap on the butt of the gun.
This gun was bought VERY used but I have high hopes of mastering it and carrying it for years to come.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:30 PM (xJa6I)

26 21 I'm impressed with your productivity MisHum. You're as fertile as an immigrant's wife. I don't know what I meant by that but you turn out a lot of quality material. Get some rest.
Posted by: Northernlurker Worldwide Moron Tour at March 18, 2018 07:25 PM (nBr1j)

Seconded....without the creepy sex stuff.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:31 PM (xJa6I)

27 Not often is it that I get a top-ten in teh gun thread...

Have I reminded everyone again lately that the NY S.A.F.E. Act is an abomination unto the Lord?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at March 18, 2018 07:31 PM (e9G8E)

28 I wonder how that LifeCard gun holds up if it accidentally gets laundered.

Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at March 18, 2018 07:32 PM (/A+Cl)

29 Probably half of my handguns have Pachmayrs on them.
All the 1911's, most of the S&W revolvers.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 18, 2018 07:32 PM (e11dj)

30 And I see Popular Mechanics continues to slide into incompetence.

"the most recognized weapon of the 20th century: the AK-47 assault rifle. Within twenty years, the mysterious submachine gun sighted on the outskirts of Leningrad "

...submachine gun...

Idiots.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:33 PM (xJa6I)

31 Never used a red-dot sight but I'm thinking of getting one. Is there an ideal distance from the eye to the sight? "Eye relief" but I don't know whether that term is relevant to a red-dot sight.

Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (NPYdq)

32 I still don't really enjoy shooting revolvers but I am absurdly fond of the S&W Model 10.

I also like the Model 10 and it's clones. 4 inch barrel?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (yQpMk)

33 27 Not often is it that I get a top-ten in teh gun thread...

Have I reminded everyone again lately that the NY S.A.F.E. Act is an abomination unto the Lord?
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at March 18, 2018 07:31 PM (e9G8E)

It's also arguably grounds for revolution...not that I'd advocate violence against tyrants or anything.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (xJa6I)

34 28 Wait, am I the only 'ette here?

Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (/A+Cl)

35 32 I still don't really enjoy shooting revolvers but I am absurdly fond of the S&W Model 10.

I also like the Model 10 and it's clones. 4 inch barrel?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (yQpMk)

Yup, square butt. Lots of holster wear and 'character' but shoots fine, fine.

Got it from J&G sales. Everyone should own one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:35 PM (xJa6I)

36 40. Mos likely, that's what iy was taken to be by the first observers. Ivan lurved him some smg's, as do all good people.
(Also, Fritz's Stgw was officially classified as an smg, for political reasons.)

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 07:35 PM (fA1SL)

37 Can you put a scope on it? [the foldable .22 ]

What a maroon.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 18, 2018 07:35 PM (0ogQG)

38 Wait, am I the only 'ette here?
Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (/A+Cl)


*shrug*

It's allowed. Pull up a gun, or whatever.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 07:36 PM (y87Qq)

39 I have a friend who was part of a SWAT team. Apparently they didn't use the laser sights with the red dots. All those red dots got confusing

Posted by: Northernlurker Worldwide Moron Tour at March 18, 2018 07:36 PM (nBr1j)

40 31 Never used a red-dot sight but I'm thinking of getting one. Is there an ideal distance from the eye to the sight? "Eye relief" but I don't know whether that term is relevant to a red-dot sight.
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (NPYdq)

I'm a big fan of Holosun, if you can't afford Aimpoints.

Eye relief hasn't been a problem for me even mounting the same type optic on everything from an AR pistol to a full sized carbine. Anything other than a 'scout' mount should work fine, and maybe even that. (haven't tried it, still 'need' a Scout rifle)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:37 PM (xJa6I)

41 Pachmayr's are Crocs for guns.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at March 18, 2018 07:16 PM (7oUUT)


Wut? But they have no holes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 18, 2018 07:37 PM (HiQSt)

42
I carry because....

I WANT TO.

Posted by: Soothsayer Is Going There at March 18, 2018 07:38 PM (+r5OR)

43 All those red dots got confusing
Posted by: Northernlurker Worldwide Moron Tour at March 18, 2018 07:36 PM (nBr1j)


Same reason my cats stopped using them on their carbines, I imagine.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 07:38 PM (y87Qq)

44 The CC gun is clever, I suppose, but why not just put a SS P238 in the pocket instead?

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at March 18, 2018 07:38 PM (xFZUI)

45 Argument today.

Antagonist: the Framers never intended the Second Amendment to cover semi auto rifles like the AR. They could never understand the lethality.

Me: False. Thomas Jefferson actually owned a semi auto called the Girandoni rifle. He thought it was so valuable he had Lewis and Clark take one on their exploration. The Puckle gun, one of the first machine guns, was invented well before our revolution. The Framers also considered that coveted by the Second Amendment.

Boom. End of argument.

Never give an inch folks. Knowledge and facts are power

Posted by: Marcus T at March 18, 2018 07:38 PM (/HYuI)

46 Wait, am I the only 'ette here?
Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (/A+Cl)



Just remember, all guns are loaded, as are about half the commenters at any given time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 18, 2018 07:38 PM (HiQSt)

47 36 40. Mos likely, that's what iy was taken to be by the first observers. Ivan lurved him some smg's, as do all good people.
(Also, Fritz's Stgw was officially classified as an smg, for political reasons.)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 07:35 PM (fA1SL)

I call bullshit/incompetence. Not at you, Palpy, but magazine-fed rifles were not new at that point. Anyone with two peanuts to rub together shouldn't be mistaking an AK47 for a SMG.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:39 PM (xJa6I)

48 Too bad about Cruz....if the BCSO had done their jobs none of this would have happened.

I did a shoot off this week between a Polish Tantal in 5.45 x 39 and a Vz. 58 in 5.56 (normally these are in 7.62 X 39).

The Tantal was fed TulAmmo at 60 gr FMJ while the Vz.58 got US 5.56 Ball XM193.

The VZ58 shot well and was plenty accurate but did have a pronounced cheek slap that took some getting used to. The Tantal shot very softly with a mild recoil and was very comfortable to boot.

Both were about the same accuracy wise at 50 and 100 yards with a slight nod going to the Tantal as she was just an easy shooter.

Both ran great and had no failures to feed or eject. The Vz.58 is brand new while the Tantal is a left over from 1988 Poland but was never issued and is a Century rebuild.




Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 18, 2018 07:39 PM (EoRCO)

49 27 Not often is it that I get a top-ten in teh gun thread...

Have I reminded everyone again lately that the NY S.A.F.E. Act is an abomination unto the Lord?
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at March 18, 2018 07:31 PM (e9G8E)

It's also arguably grounds for revolution...not that I'd advocate violence against tyrants or anything.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM

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Every lawfully armed Newyorkistani I personally know grudgingly obeys this (unconstitutional) law... But I do wonder about the unlawfully armed ones I don't know!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at March 18, 2018 07:40 PM (e9G8E)

50 The founders were fine with me owning a warship full of cannon.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 07:40 PM (yQpMk)

51 I'd like to find an '03 Springfield receiver that has already been tapped and build a nice scoped rifle with it.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2018 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

52 It's also arguably grounds for revolution...not that I'd advocate violence against tyrants or anything.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM


Don't worry. The Tree of Liberty has been exchanged for a cactus.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 18, 2018 07:41 PM (HiQSt)

53 Yes Palp, the Soviets really really liked sub-machine guns, esp. during the war. Just read it a few days ago and of course already forgot, but in Glantz's exhaustingly detailed history of the Red Army I'm reading he goes through the organization and equipment of units as it changed during the war. Definitely whole companies equipped just with SMGs, I think even battalions and maybe regiments later on.


Some central European country should have tourist-oriented ranges where you can fire PPsh-41s. Do any of the Vegas full-auto rental ranges have them, I wonder?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 07:41 PM (QDnY+)

54 that has already been tapped and build a nice scoped rifle with it.
Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2018 07:40 PM (MVjcR)


*resumes breathing*

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 07:41 PM (y87Qq)

55 Don't worry. The Tree of Liberty has been exchanged for a cactus.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 18, 2018 07:41 PM (HiQSt)

I see what you did there.
Nice.

Sad, but nicely said.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:42 PM (xJa6I)

56 Took Nastiya out to the range yesterday. We ran 8 mags of crappy Bulgarian mislurp through her. Not a hitch or a hiccup.

Very nice light rifle.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 07:42 PM (fA1SL)

57 Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 07:41 PM (y87Qq)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2018 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

58 Some central European country should have tourist-oriented ranges where you can fire PPsh-41s. Do any of the Vegas full-auto rental ranges have them, I wonder?
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 07:41 PM (QDnY+)

Yes, they do. Battlefield Las Vegas does for sure. Maybe one or two others, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

59 "Just remember, all guns are loaded, as are about half the commenters at any given time.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)"


That right there is worthy of inclusion in the AoSHQ Style Guide and Commenter's Manual.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 18, 2018 07:43 PM (e11dj)

60 Every lawfully armed Newyorkistani I personally know grudgingly obeys this (unconstitutional) law... But I do wonder about the unlawfully armed ones I don't know!
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at March 18, 2018 07:40 PM (e9G8E)

Do you believe anyone would actually tell you they dont obey it?

The antis projected that over one million ARs were in NY prior to he SAFE Act. Less than 100k were registered.

Cuomo says they were all sold out of state.

*makes ok sign with hand*

What do you call it when they pass a law that nobody obeys ?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 18, 2018 07:43 PM (/HYuI)

61 56 Took Nastiya out to the range yesterday. We ran 8 mags of crappy Bulgarian mislurp through her. Not a hitch or a hiccup.

Very nice light rifle.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 07:42 PM (fA1SL)

I'm envious. She sounds like a wonderful family member.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

62 Regarding the 2nd Am. and it's relevance to today's tech: to the extent that one can have a reasoned discussion on the subject, the free-speech analogy is also effective. "The Founders never anticipated the internet, or high-speed printing presses, etc."

Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 18, 2018 07:44 PM (NPYdq)

63 I see what you did there.
Nice.

Sad, but nicely said.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:42 PM (xJa6I)



Even a cactus has to drink sometime.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 18, 2018 07:44 PM (HiQSt)

64 53. I knew two red army vets of the gpw who sang the praises of the 41 & the 43. Yeah. They equipped entire battalions with smg's - cheap and handy and perfectly suited to the close combat conditions of the war.
Would give my eye teeth for one of those.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 07:44 PM (fA1SL)

65 Hogmartin, I'll be returning to the Mitten Kingdom this year or next. What are the gun laws like?

I will be returning from Maryland, where I must maintain a distance of 100 feet from my gun at all times, so I'm hoping it will be a touch saner.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 07:44 PM (qJtVm)

66 8 Pachmayr's are Crocs for guns.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at March 18, 2018 07:16 PM (7oUUT)


. . . and that's when the fight started.

(Disclaimer: I have Pachmayrs on a couple of pistols and like them, however I recently replaced the Pachmayr grips on a 1911 with a nice pair of wood grips.)

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 18, 2018 07:46 PM (DNH+H)

67 Took the VP9 and M11 to the range today. Killed a lot of paper and coin on ammo.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 18, 2018 07:46 PM (/HYuI)

68 The scandal and failure in FL of course was both systematic, and functional. The systematic part was the "Promise" policy (i.e. exempting young people from the criminal laws, in effect). Absent this insane policy, would Cruz have even been eligible to legally buy a firearm? Wouldn't he have had one or more disqualifying felonies on his record?


The functional failure was the incredible cowardice and incompetence of at least the first one on the scene, Peterson. Have not seen a detailed account, but seem to recall that an EMT who was there quite early described multiple deputies waiting uselessly outside, and the police officers from the nearby dept. who showed up also made disparaging remarks about the sheriffs' dept. performance on the scene.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 07:47 PM (QDnY+)

69
"Why do you need a semi-automatic firearm?"

1) FYNQ

2) None of your business.

3) For any lawful purpose I want or need it for.

4) Because a free people need not answer to those who unconstitutionally want to restrict their rights.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 18, 2018 07:47 PM (zoBsx)

70 Are any branches of our military still using a 3 round burst limit?

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at March 18, 2018 07:47 PM (xFZUI)

71 "Why do you need a semi-automatic firearm?"
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It's a Bill of Rights, not a bill of needs.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2018 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

72 @EdmundBurkesShade

I think Uncle Sam's Misguided Children still have some M16A2's. Those have the three shot fun button.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:50 PM (xJa6I)

73 Tragically, rain cancelled two shooting events this weekend. Action handgun yesterday, action rifle this morning. And that's after not seeing even so much as a cloud for much of Nov/Dec/Jan (SoCal). Was all set this morning to go with either the M1 or a Mosin-Nagant, depending on what my friends were shooting. No trigger time. Sad! (but I forgot my cooler at the range on duty day last week ..... so that might be the excuse to drag the boss out to a mid-week shootfest this week)




Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 07:50 PM (QDnY+)

74 67 Took the VP9 and M11 to the range today. Killed a lot of paper and coin on ammo.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 18, 2018 07:46 PM (/HYuI)

Details, man, details.

How did they compare? How did they shoot? Which one would you lend to your offspring to defend the homestead, etc?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:51 PM (xJa6I)

75 I will be returning from Maryland, where I must maintain a distance of 100 feet from my gun at all times, so I'm hoping it will be a touch saner.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 07:44 PM (qJtVm)


If you don't have CCW (and I assume you don't), transport it unloaded in a separate locked compartment that's not accessible to the driver. Trunk counts, as does a locked box in the back seat.

Any particular restrictions you were curious about? Also, long gun or handgun?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 07:52 PM (y87Qq)

76 An interesting map:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybmbgnws

"Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders"

Guess which ones !

I want to try overlaying the 2016 election-by-counties map on this one, I'll bet they match pretty closely.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 18, 2018 07:52 PM (e11dj)

77 I'm fine with the original wood grips on my 1911
Good night all, its a rough life getting up at 0darkthirty

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2018 07:53 PM (aC6Sd)

78 Pachmayrs are fine with me. One on the Model 66, and soon one on the Colt Magnum Carry (to put the original away, avoid wear, as this is a collectible ..... but I do shoot it). Probably one on the Model 60 too. Bought it with the CrimsonTrace laser grip (used, for a steal considering that the grip itself goes for $300), but should have an everyday grip for practice.


Took the Pachmayrs off the King Cobra, also to avoid wear (it's a snub and also valuable), but also to put on a purdy Hogue hardwood grip. Beautiful combo.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 07:54 PM (QDnY+)

79 G'night, Skip

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 18, 2018 07:55 PM (e11dj)

80 I like the Rosa Parks answer, but my preferred response to "Why do you need a gun?" is:

"Because Fuck You, that's why!"

Posted by: Sharkman at March 18, 2018 07:56 PM (dDMQ9)

81 77 I'm fine with the original wood grips on my 1911
Good night all, its a rough life getting up at 0darkthirty

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2018 07:53 PM (aC6Sd)


The 1911 I replaced the Pachmayrs on was a Springfield Armory and originally came with cheap crappy plastic grips. Not even nice plastic. I found a nice pair of wood grips on Ebay.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 18, 2018 07:59 PM (DNH+H)

82 I found 3 for the .32 collection since the ladt gun thread.

A near mint Mauser 1934, very late production with eagle/N proofs.

A mint Sauer 1926 Export Model, in box with instruction manual in German.

A very high condition Franz Stock

An excellent FN1922, made within weeks of the liberation
of Liege Belgium in Sep. 1944

I realize that collecting makes me the bastard stepchild
of the gun thread, but, ...there it is.



Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 07:59 PM (lKIbW)

83 sock rat eeze I haven't looked but there must be good graphics and maps illustrating how concentrated almost all the violent crime in the US is.


As noted by others regularly here, if you "correct for" (take out) just a few of the worst neighborhoods in the entire country, the national violent crime rate is much like that of a west European country.


heyjackass.com is an amazing site that tracks shooting deaths and festivities in Chicago. A fantastic companion would be a site that tracks, say, the rest of IL, for comparison. Would show how almost all violent (and "gun") crime occurs in a very few places, in a continent-straddling nation.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 07:59 PM (QDnY+)

84 yeah... guess that's four. whatever.

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:01 PM (lKIbW)

85 Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 07:52 PM (y87Qq)
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Hadn't thought about CCW. In Maryland one has to have a "good and substantial reason" to carry, and I wasn't that interested anyway. But might look into it in MI.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:01 PM (qJtVm)

86 The 1911 I replaced the Pachmayrs on was a Springfield Armory and originally came with cheap crappy plastic grips. Not even nice plastic.

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I have that stuff on my 1911. It looks like Bakelite. I should get something nice.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 18, 2018 08:02 PM (HiQSt)

87 Also, I was...ahem...rather fascinated with firearms as a young lad as well. I didn't shoot up my school. Because I was raised not to be a shithead.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:19 PM (xJa6I)

Well, yeah. I'd already been a recreational shooter for a number of years prior to high school and was a regular reader of Guns & Ammo. Didn't shoot a single soul while I was there. Amazing, no?

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 08:02 PM (NWiLs)

88

Yup, square butt

Wood Eye!

Posted by: Hare lip at March 18, 2018 08:02 PM (IqV8l)

89 Is that Freedom Seed of the cop killer variety?

Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at March 18, 2018 08:03 PM (HiQSt)

90 retropox, collectors are of course very welcome here.


Where do you make most of your acquisitions? Guns shows, auctions, online? The lead range officer on my duty day has been collecting for decades, he hits a few regional auctions regularly.


I'd love to visit the Tulsa show some year, just for fun (mostly).


And Sep. '44 in Liege ...... that's 3 months before the Bulge, the Germans got to within striking distance of Liege, and the Allies feared they would take it (along with its major Allied supply dumps). Of course Hitler's obsession with westward advance and taking Antwerp meant Liege was never in real danger.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:03 PM (QDnY+)

91 83
heyjackass.com is an amazing site that tracks shooting deaths and festivities in Chicago.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 07:59 PM (QDnY+)


My favorite part is that HeyJackass tracks stats for "Shot in the Ass" and "Shot in the Junk". So far this year those stand at 19 and 1, respectively.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (DNH+H)

92 89 Is that Freedom Seed of the cop killer variety?
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at March 18, 2018 08:03 PM (HiQSt)

Kindergarten crosswalk-seeking explosive white phosphorous warhead.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (NWiLs)

93 87 Also, I was...ahem...rather fascinated with firearms as a young lad as well. I didn't shoot up my school. Because I was raised not to be a shithead.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:19 PM (xJa6I)

Well, yeah. I'd already been a recreational shooter for a number of years prior to high school and was a regular reader of Guns & Ammo. Didn't shoot a single soul while I was there. Amazing, no?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 08:02 PM (NWiLs)

Jah. Gun fascination is actually pretty normal for boys. I hate the way modern culture demonizes it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (xJa6I)

94 no Emmie. . . .I'm lurking here.


shhhh

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (xGMkv)

95 86. Bakelite is the chosen material for the grips on my CZ52's. It is superior for its intended purpose.
(But I did swap out the grips on the one I got my angel. Black walnut, oil finished, with garnet embedded in the final coats of lacquer. Because romantic.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 08:05 PM (fA1SL)

96 Hillary overwhelmingly won the places where 99% of all murders occur.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 18, 2018 08:05 PM (dDMQ9)

97 Hadn't thought about CCW. In Maryland one has to have a "good and substantial reason" to carry, and I wasn't that interested anyway. But might look into it in MI.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:01 PM (qJtVm)


Are you actually moving to MI full time and changing your state of residence? Some states do allow out-of-staters to get a CPL, but in Michigan, you have to be a resident. On the other hand, we're really good with reciprocity to and from other states i.e. they recognize our CPL and we likewise theirs.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:05 PM (y87Qq)

98 How did they compare? How did they shoot? Which one would you lend to your offspring to defend the homestead, etc

Was shooting Federal 124 HST rounds.

VP9 is a great all around shooter. My opinion one of the best striker fired made. I only changed the sights to Trijicon due to a personal preference. But thats all you really need to dknow with an HK.

The M11 is one of my favorite guns ever made. I am very comfortable with it and it is my EDC. I just shoot it very and have a high level of confidence.

Cant say I truly prefer one over the other. I have just shot the m11 more.

I also have a p365 on the way as a back up. Cannot wait for that.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 18, 2018 08:05 PM (/HYuI)

99 Heidi said she read on Fox that that school officials and a sheriffs deputy (Scott Petersen) recommended that the killer be involuntarily committed in 2016 and it was not acted upon. He had written the word Kill in a book, said he was drinking gasoline, cut himself and said he wanted to buy a gun and use it. There is no documentation as to why he wasn't Baker Acted.

There are people with blood on their hands and its not gun owners.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 18, 2018 08:06 PM (70cRb)

100 The black rubber grips that come with the Springfield 1911 (I bought it used, like almost all my guns) are fine. I actually had some Remington Rand WWII grips (brown plastic) on that pistol for a long time. I like the look, but the SA rubber ones are fine for me. I know there is a whole industry of 1911 grips, but happy I don't need to patronize it.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:06 PM (QDnY+)

101 As a teenager on a pheasant hunt, I kept putting the bead just ahead of the bird, flipping the safety off, pulling the trigger and then nothing. Dad asked why I wasn't shooting, and I blamed the safety. After about 4 missed birds, I toggled the safety back and forth, aimed at the ground 20 yards away and pulled the trigger. Safety the other way, pulled the trigger, back and triggered again. Looked at the damn thing in front of me, and thought, let's try the other barrel...with the butt plate 3 inches off my sternum. That firing pin wasn't broken off. I suppose I would have cussed like Ralphy in A Christmas Story if I hadn't just smacked all the air out of me.

Posted by: Downcast at March 18, 2018 08:06 PM (v2Njf)

102 Jah. Gun fascination is actually pretty normal for boys. I hate the way modern culture demonizes it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (xJa6I)

Ayup. Emasculation is part of the program.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 08:07 PM (NWiLs)

103 I like to listen to the old radio program channel on Sirius satellite radio, and the other day was surprised to hear a show from the 1950's that had a decidedly anti-gun message.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2018 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

104 Are you actually moving to MI full time and changing your state of residence? Some states do allow out-of-staters to get a CPL, but in Michigan, you have to be a resident. On the other hand, we're really good with reciprocity to and from other states i.e. they recognize our CPL and we likewise theirs.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:05 PM (y87Qq)
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Yep, eventually moving back so after six months I can file for a CPL.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:08 PM (qJtVm)

105 (But I did swap out the grips on the one I got my angel. Black walnut, oil finished, with garnet embedded in the final coats of lacquer. Because romantic.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 08:05 PM (fA1SL)


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Awww. Your life must be like one of those Hallmark movies, but with guns.

Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at March 18, 2018 08:08 PM (HiQSt)

106 Palp I missed where you introduced "Nastiya". Which gun is it (she)?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:08 PM (QDnY+)

107 105. Ha!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 08:09 PM (fA1SL)

108 Annoyed as hell with myself. I snapped this at a local gunsmith's, and now can't recall who designed/built it.

I keep thinking that it was Winchester, but, it might have been any of the major manufacturers. I believe that it was a design competition, which was won by Thompson.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y97wbyo3

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:09 PM (ZpfqO)

109 Off Jeopardy King sock!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 18, 2018 08:09 PM (HiQSt)

110 A fear of guns is sign of mental and sexual retardation.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 18, 2018 08:10 PM (pw+jk)

111 106. Nastiya is an Arsenal M7 Kalashnikov pattern rifle. Bought it Friday. Forged and milled receiver, chromed bore. Standard wooden furniture.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 08:11 PM (fA1SL)

112 Rhomboid:
Local shows, gunbroker, Backpage, and the Phoenix shows.

Carefully mining an obscure niche (pre-war and non-Nazi wartime .32's) makes it easier, as there is less competition.

I intend to make the trip to Tulsa, too.
Take 5 grand cash and prepare to be decisive.

In truth, dozens of my best pieces have come from gunbroker,
incorrectly listed by some old fudd, or the guy at the Scary Black Rifle
Shop, who doesn't do his homework.

I bought an OSS issued US PROPERTY for $600
from a listing that said "nice Colt auto".

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:11 PM (lKIbW)

113 Cannibal Bob, exactly right about blood on hands in FL.


No I just didn't arrive in the US from another planet, but I still find it astounding that, amidst the hysteria and slander and idiocy that followed the shooting, not a single public figure of any stature described it as such, since it focused on guns, and offered the corrective of an aggressive attack on Broward law enforcement, school district, policies that enabled Cruz, and functional failure that failed to stop him earlier.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:12 PM (QDnY+)

114 >>>The NRA, gun owners and people who support the 2nd Amendment have taken enough verbal abuse since the Parkland shooting.


The tongue is mightier than the gun. If I have to open another can of whoopass tongue lashing on yalls, I won't hesitate to do so.

Posted by: David Hogg at March 18, 2018 08:12 PM (Pby3z)

115 My Zastava Tokarev has an intermitted problem that causes it to fire multiple rounds and jam or not fire at all.

I've stripped it down and got it to dry fire reliably, but I'm curious if the standard T33 Tokarev hammer groupvis compatible with the M57 Saztava Tokarev. Any feed back or used body armor for the live firing test would be appreciated...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 18, 2018 08:12 PM (OkKDg)

116 bad news...

R3sident 3vil has decided she cannot live without another damn antique, which blows our chances of grabbing a Chezch made Luftwaffe pistol that CDNN has up for auction.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:12 PM (YtJs4)

117
"Because Fuck You, that's why" is the perfect answer to SO many questions from idiots, busybodies and commie cocksuckers.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2018 08:12 PM (eXA4G)

118 105
(But I did swap out the grips on the one I got my angel. Black walnut,
oil finished, with garnet embedded in the final coats of lacquer.
Because romantic.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 08:05 PM (fA1SL)



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Awww. Your life must be like one of those Hallmark movies, but with guns.

Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at March 18, 2018 08:08 PM (HiQSt)

I hate both of you. Good vodka on the screen.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 18, 2018 08:12 PM (70cRb)

119 Yep, eventually moving back so after six months I can file for a CPL.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:08 PM (qJtVm)


There's no reason not to go for it, the requirements are reasonable and you can knock it out in a Saturday. I think it's about $130 around here for the class. Once you get one, you can buy guns from dealers without a NICS check (because the background check to obtain a CPL is considered equivalent to a NICS check).
What's the six month thing - is that how long it takes to establish residency?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:12 PM (y87Qq)

120 112 Rhomboid:
Local shows, gunbroker, Backpage, and the Phoenix shows.

Carefully mining an obscure niche (pre-war and non-Nazi wartime .32's) makes it easier, as there is less competition.

I intend to make the trip to Tulsa, too.
Take 5 grand cash and prepare to be decisive.

In truth, dozens of my best pieces have come from gunbroker,
incorrectly listed by some old fudd, or the guy at the Scary Black Rifle
Shop, who doesn't do his homework.

I bought an OSS issued US PROPERTY for $600
from a listing that said "nice Colt auto".
Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:11 PM (lKIbW)

Proxibid is another good, dangerous/addictive way to get mis-labeled bargains.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:14 PM (xJa6I)

121 The only hand gun I carry is my Johnson.

Because, Johnson. Lubed and polished.
Posted by: Fritz at March 18, 2018 07:26 PM

Iver Johnson?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 18, 2018 08:14 PM (BuS20)

122
nnoyed as hell with myself. I snapped this at a local gunsmith's, and now can't recall who designed/built it.

I keep thinking that it was Winchester, but, it might have been any of the major manufacturers. I believe that it was a design competition, which was won by Thompson.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y97wbyo3
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:09 PM (ZpfqO)





That's a Reising.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2018 08:15 PM (eXA4G)

123 . Gun fascination is actually pretty normal for boys. I hate the way modern culture demonizes it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (xJa6I)

Ayup. Emasculation is part of the program.
Posted by: Insomniac
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Somewhere, I have a photo of my six-year-old self with my Hopalong Cassidy hat, kerchief, and gun belt. Thanks Pop!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:15 PM (c/EDo)

124 Apparently one must be a resident of Michigan for six months prior to application.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:16 PM (qJtVm)

125 Somewhere, I have a photo of my six-year-old self with my Hopalong Cassidy hat, kerchief, and gun belt. Thanks Pop!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:15 PM (c/EDo)

Come on you still dress up in it sometimes don't you?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 18, 2018 08:16 PM (70cRb)

126 That's a Reising.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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Ah. Thank you. H&R.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:16 PM (c/EDo)

127 25 ... "I still don't really enjoy shooting revolvers but I am absurdly fond of the S&W Model 10. It's just...so revolver-y."

Mark, It's not just the Model 10. Any of the K-frame Smith and Wessons will have a similar, or better, feel.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 08:16 PM (V+03K)

128 'Tips, stories, .22LR ammo can be sent to petmorons at gmail.'

But remember - FedEx won't mail ammo, "except to a licensed dealer". At least, that's what the local FedEx store guy told me. I asked him what constituted a "licensed ammunition dealer" and he wouldn't answer. UPS shipped it right away. Just sayin'

Posted by: Gadzooks Mike at March 18, 2018 08:17 PM (p9mPa)

129
Come on you still dress up in it sometimes don't you?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob
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I would, but the damn belt has shrunk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:17 PM (c/EDo)

130 Apparently one must be a resident of Michigan for six months prior to application.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:16 PM (qJtVm)

If anybody is interested, I have an email address for the Michigan State Police where you can ask them anything re: gun laws and concealed carry. They got back to me within a couple days.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:18 PM (u7MdF)

131 I would, but the damn belt has shrunk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:17 PM (c/EDo)

I feel you Mike. Lol.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 18, 2018 08:18 PM (70cRb)

132 127 25 ... "I still don't really enjoy shooting revolvers but I am absurdly fond of the S&W Model 10. It's just...so revolver-y."

Mark, It's not just the Model 10. Any of the K-frame Smith and Wessons will have a similar, or better, feel.
Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 08:16 PM (V+03K)

The older guns most of all. I have a S&W model 28 6" hwy patrol version that can be used as a melee weapon as well in a pinch.

I just wish they felt 'good' in my hand the way an automatic does.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:18 PM (xJa6I)

133 Credit card gun. $399. ouch.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 18, 2018 08:18 PM (70cRb)

134 Palp, thanks (need to go look it up, don't know the M7). Also don't know the M11, mentioned by someone else earlier.


retro, love your strategy - one of my favorite things are what an economist would call a market with inefficient price information and discovery. You've found one.


I stumbled on one a few years ago. My indoor range had a beat-up, hammer-bobbed Colt King Cobra snub on consignment sale. Not, to the average observer, at a give-away price. But I thought, hmm, that might be worth a lot more than that price. New hammers available from Numrich for $60. Refinish at Colt custom shop (remove handling marks, it's stainless), $300.


So I waited ("I don't NEED it, already have a snub, and a collectible one at that") a few weeks. But every Tuesday when I went in to shoot, there it was. After doing my research and double checking everything, bought it. One sold on Gunbroker last week for nearly 4 times what I have into mine.


Three cheers for mispriced consignment guns .....

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:19 PM (QDnY+)

135 It's also arguably grounds for revolution...not that I'd advocate violence against tyrants or anything.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (xJa6I)

Then you will like tonight's ONT.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:20 PM (wYseH)

136

But remember - FedEx won't mail ammo, "except to a licensed dealer"


I have a driver's license. Will that do?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 18, 2018 08:20 PM (tHS2c)

137 Gun fascination is actually pretty normal for boys. I hate the way modern culture demonizes it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (xJa6I)

I wonder if part of it isn't just a lack of exposure via common experience. When I was a kid everybody knew a WWII, Korea, or Vietnam vet and most houses had guns and/or rifles. Now we have a volunteer military, for which I am glad, but it is a small segment of society.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:21 PM (qJtVm)

138 ...documents show a high school resource officer who was also a sheriff's deputy and two school counselors recommended in September 2016 that Cruz be committed for mental evaluation under Florida's Baker Act. ...

And the photo indicates that BCoward County Sheriffs have been watching too much TV.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8aw5cb9

Posted by: Maybellene _I started back doin' the things I used to do at March 18, 2018 08:21 PM (D7dYu)

139 Michigan gun laws have gotten better here lately It turned in to a shall issue state

Posted by: Robeartoe at March 18, 2018 08:21 PM (/ZCA9)

140 116 bad news...

R3sident 3vil has decided she cannot live without another damn antique, which blows our chances of grabbing a Chezch made Luftwaffe pistol that CDNN has up for auction.

And what would that be?
A CZ27 perhaps?
My squinty-eye BS detector goes off whenever someone
has a listing that says "Luftwaffe"

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:21 PM (lKIbW)

141 Eighteen months before Nikolas Cruz shot up Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, staff were so worried about his fascination with guns that they banned him from practicing shooting skills with the JROTC, according to mental health records obtained by the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

"full... metal... jacket"

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 18, 2018 08:22 PM (6FqZa)

142 Apparently one must be a resident of Michigan for six months prior to application.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:16 PM (qJtVm)


Sounds like you've done some homework then. I guess that's to prevent people from just using a PO box or something.
Anyway, CPL aside, the only slightly odd thing is that you have ten days after buying a handgun from a FFL to get it documented with the local police (registered, basically). You don't have to bring the gun in anymore, just the little ticket you get from the dealer. I don't know if that applies to long guns or private sales. Ammo just requires a photo ID. I don't think there are any places here like NYC or whatever where the city/county puts more restrictions on you, it's just the state requirements. And except for registering handguns with the police, the state pretty much goes along with whatever federal law is - no extra waiting periods, capacity limits, stuff like that.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:22 PM (y87Qq)

143 Part of my excellent Friday was going to the range. However, the RO said that my chosen concealed carry gun "would be a good backup." Then he let me shoot his M&P Shield. Guess it's time to go gun hunting again.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:22 PM (u7MdF)

144 . And except for registering handguns with the police, the state pretty much goes along with whatever federal law is - no extra waiting periods, capacity limits, stuff like that.
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Well that's far less onerous than I anticipated.

Now, about trebuchets?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:23 PM (qJtVm)

145 Ah, a Reising. Place I volunteer has what would be called the "paratrooper" version if it were an M1 carbine - foldable wire stock. Think it's an M55.


Quite the rarity - is that one for sale , Mike H.?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:24 PM (QDnY+)

146 Oh, will I have to register a gun I already own with the MI police?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:25 PM (qJtVm)

147 Here it is. A good friend just took his carry class (passed!) using one of my handguns, a CZ75-SP01. He tried 4 of ours before choosing that model. and though he qualified with the CZ he's not particularly willing to EDC that heavy gun. I advised him to go to the next gunshow and handle all the handguns there. It's the only way to find what fits your hand. Then go to the indoor range in Longview and shoot some.

Posted by: Eromero at March 18, 2018 08:25 PM (zLDYs)

148 The various plots by the left to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms are crimes.

Here is one of the laws the left is violating. 18 U.S. Code 241 Conspiracy against rights.

"If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

It two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured---

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more that ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life or both, or may be sentenced to death."

Note that paragraph 2 of that law specifically addresses what Antifa does.

In my opinion, if you haven't personally complained to the FBI about violations of this law you are as useless to the cause of freedom as the piece of shit Rinos in congress. Get off your ass and write the FBI and demand that they start investigating violations of this law and 18 USC 242.

When the "school children" co-ordinate with the media to oppress our gun rights that is a federal felony violation of this law - complain. Its possibly the most important thing you will ever do. You can make a difference.







Posted by: An Observation at March 18, 2018 08:25 PM (TPKPX)

149 ..documents show a high school resource officer who was also a sheriff's deputy and two school counselors recommended in September 2016 that Cruz be committed for mental evaluation under Florida's Baker Act. ...
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But, he showed such PROMISE !

Posted by: Obama's Fingerprints at March 18, 2018 08:25 PM (w1zJX)

150 Rhomboid:
Buying from a dealer at a gunshow or shop, face-to-face,
and trying to not let your guile show through when they are making a Napoleonic mistake ("if he is ...let him")
requires real self control.

Helluva deal on that Colt!

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:25 PM (lKIbW)

151 Also welcome back All Hail Eris! I hope you're returning for not-unpleasant reasons, and we should meet up and have sleepovers and pillow fights and paint each others' nails and OMG just totally stay up all night. We didn't do any repairs on the roads since you left - we wanted to keep them just like you remembered them, only worse!

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:26 PM (y87Qq)

152 143 Part of my excellent Friday was going to the range. However, the RO said that my chosen concealed carry gun "would be a good backup." Then he let me shoot his M&P Shield. Guess it's time to go gun hunting again.
Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:22 PM (u7MdF)

Hm. What is your chosen carry gun?

Mind you, the Shield is a very good single stack pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:27 PM (xJa6I)

153 Legion of Gloomer - what's your carry gun?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:27 PM (QDnY+)

154 135 It's also arguably grounds for revolution...not that I'd advocate violence against tyrants or anything.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (xJa6I)

Then you will like tonight's ONT.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:20 PM (wYseH)

So tonight's ONT is going to be peace, love and togetherness?

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 08:27 PM (NWiLs)

155 Quite the rarity - is that one for sale , Mike H.?
Posted by: rhomboid
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I didn't ask. But is a carefully displayed piece at the shop, so I doubt it. They know exactly what it is, and I suspect was specifically acquired on that account.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:28 PM (7ThJ3)

156 137 Gun fascination is actually pretty normal for boys. I hate the way modern culture demonizes it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:04 PM (xJa6I)

I wonder if part of it isn't just a lack of exposure via common experience. When I was a kid everybody knew a WWII, Korea, or Vietnam vet and most houses had guns and/or rifles. Now we have a volunteer military, for which I am glad, but it is a small segment of society.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:21 PM (qJtVm)

Oh I suppose that's a little part of it. Along with urbanization and popular media showing gun use as always criminal.

Maybe it's the lack of wider exposure to guns, but video games, of all things, is changing that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

157 retro, after I'd had the Colt cleaned up and the hammer replaced and took it into the range to shoot, I saw the owner and showed it to him. He remembered how it had been priced, and shook his head, saying the staffer who took it in on consignment had blown it by not pushing for a higher price. And as I left it there for nearly a month, I really did luck out.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:30 PM (QDnY+)

158 So tonight's ONT is going to be peace, love and togetherness?
Posted by: Insomniac
------------

*rustles through drawer, looking for 'Kumbaya' sheet music and lyrics*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:30 PM (7ThJ3)

159 The Left has actually convinced more than half of this country that every gun carries with it an infection of the murder germ.

200 million people are so petrified of guns that they believe the gun itself is somehow sentient and will kill them without the help of anything or anyone.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 18, 2018 08:30 PM (dDMQ9)

160 Legion of Gloomer - what's your carry gun?
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:27 PM (QDnY+)

SCCY CPX-2 9mm.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:31 PM (u7MdF)

161 Oh, will I have to register a gun I already own with the MI police?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:25 PM (qJtVm)

Yes.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:31 PM (u7MdF)

162 154 135 It's also arguably grounds for revolution...not that I'd advocate violence against tyrants or anything.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:34 PM (xJa6I)

Then you will like tonight's ONT.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:20 PM (wYseH)

So tonight's ONT is going to be peace, love and togetherness?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 08:27 PM (NWiLs)

Oooh, I shall have to stay awake then

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:31 PM (xJa6I)

163 Now, about trebuchets?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:23 PM (qJtVm)


I am not kidding at all - one of my friends had a siege weapon party at their wedding reception up north. Guests were encouraged to bring trebuchets and lob fruits and tubers into the lake. Swear to God. I'll try to find pictures.

re: registering a gun you already have, I don't know. You should probably hit up Legion of Gloomer for that MSP email address and ask them directly.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:32 PM (y87Qq)

164 If it's a handgun, Eris.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:32 PM (u7MdF)

165 Hi!

I'm shopping for a revolver on grabagun.

I'm thinking at least a 3 inch barrel. 38/357 cal. Anything I should avoid?

also, is hammerless a good feature?

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 08:33 PM (xGMkv)

166 Eromero, do you have/did your friend handle a CZ-75 Compact? Same great ergonomics, but lighter. I have yet to get my first CZ-75, but it's top of my "next" list. Have two CZ-83s (one surplus, one new/unfired).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:34 PM (QDnY+)

167 so, is cbd here? nice job on the food thread. wanted to nominate your sentence

"haven't been in Detroit since I was a kid, except for a flight there before I went to Toledo",

for the saddest sentence ever award.

nothing makes you appreciate detroit like going through toledo.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 08:34 PM (MTjB1)

168 did someone say they collect 32's?

here's an interesting one, and you sill have 2 hours to bid on it

https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/755019018

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:35 PM (YtJs4)

169 Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:26 PM (y87Qq)

There's no party like a Hogmartin lingerie pillow fight party!

And yes, I visit regularly so I am well aware of the lunar craters on 75 South.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:35 PM (qJtVm)

170 Anyone have any familiarity with a Cajunized CZ?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 18, 2018 08:35 PM (DMUuz)

171
I am not kidding at all - one of my friends had a siege weapon party at their wedding reception up north. Guests were encouraged to bring trebuchets and lob fruits and tubers into the lake. Swear to God. I'll try to find pictures.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:32 PM



Fruits and tubers? What a dreadful thing to do to teh trannies and teh you-video makers!

Posted by: concerned apparatchik at March 18, 2018 08:36 PM (EzdLW)

172 Oh, will I have to register a gun I already own with the MI police?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March




you own a gun in some sort of partnership with the MI state patrol?


by the way MI state patrol has bmw bikes. gang of 20 or so was going through cleveland during the r convention.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 08:36 PM (MTjB1)

173 164 If it's a handgun, Eris.
Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:32 PM (u7MdF)
----
Damn The Man! Okay *kicks dirt*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:36 PM (qJtVm)

174 nothing makes you appreciate detroit like going through toledo.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 08:34 PM (MTjB1)

Including when you've already spent 17 hours on the road driving from Ft. Worth.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:37 PM (u7MdF)

175 well, collecting 32s is nice but what are the other two measurements. makes a difference. 32, 22, 32 collectors item. 32, 42, 62, not sure.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 08:38 PM (MTjB1)

176 Anyone else remember the progession of arms they learned to shoot? Myself:
Daisy Winchester
Daisy Peacemaker
.22 Remington Fieldmaster
.410 Ithaca single shot shotgun
.22 Ruger 10/22
.22 Ruger Single 6
38/357 Colt Trooper
38/357 Marlin 1894
870 Remington 12 ga
9mm CZ75
45acp Ruger
7.62x39 Ruger Mini 30
...etc

Whenever I feel like I've gone rusty, I go back to the basics: single shot rifle (bolt action), single action revolver, single shot shotgun (410). Very humbling.
(Wish I still had those old Daisys!)

Posted by: Morton at March 18, 2018 08:38 PM (/J2ZP)

177 I am not kidding at all - one of my friends had a siege weapon party at their wedding reception up north. Guests were encouraged to bring trebuchets and lob fruits and tubers into the lake. Swear to God. I'll try to find pictures.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:32 PM
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Ho Lee Fvck. Would do. I have a couple Gurstelle books and would love to build my own mini-Ludgar. Oh who am I kidding, I want a maxi-Ludgar.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:38 PM (qJtVm)

178 Unless instructing firearms training, no one should be doing anything with a firearm in a class room.

As far as I can see, he had NO reason to unholster that weapon.

If it fired while IN the holster then he is still responsible but maybe not at fault.

Every "accidental" discharge, is NOT!

They happened because someone was not giving the firearm the respect it has to have.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 18, 2018 08:38 PM (MioLM)

179
I don't think there are any places here like NYC or whatever where the city/county puts more restrictions on you, it's just the state requirements.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:22 PM (y87Qq)







"You have a LTC? You have cash? Congratulations on your new gun, pardner."

God bless Texas

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2018 08:38 PM (eXA4G)

180 Rhomboid:

heh. a schadensteal is the best feeling

I heard the kid yell across the shop
"Hey boss -OK to sell that old Colt for the starting price?
There aren't any bids yet"

"Yeah, go ahead".

Then he asked me if I wanted the letter from Colt that came with it....I nearly wet me self.

Guess the kid didn't know what "Office of Strategic Services" meant.

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:39 PM (lKIbW)

181 Including when you've already spent 17 hours on the road driving from Ft. Worth.
Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March




lol

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 08:39 PM (MTjB1)

182 booknlass, my 2 cents .....


Not sure you should "avoid" anything, but you might consider limiting yourself to Smith and Wesson, and Ruger. Taurus is fine for many, but many also have initial quality problems. Charter I know nothing about directly, but scuttlebutt is not good. Those are the 4 major current revolver makers.


Colt has a new revolver out, but I can't comment on its quality or availability, maybe someone else can.


Usual considerations apply: what is it for (carry, bedside, etc.); they're like shoes, they need to "fit" you and your hand and comfort level; definitely handle and if possible shoot any model before buying it.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:40 PM (QDnY+)

183 And what would that be?

A CZ27 perhaps?

My squinty-eye BS detector goes off whenever someone

has a listing that says "Luftwaffe"
Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:21 PM (lKIbW)
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nope, although i just poasted that link...
CDNN is pretty reputable, so if they say Luftwaffe, i think they have proof

they are also selling this Wathler, but we're not bidding on either, because she blew all her money for the month on something else

https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/754698817

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:40 PM (YtJs4)

184 Could Roda Parjs gave her right to sit in the front of the bus taken away because she committed a felony ?
Can a front vinviction take away God given rights?

Posted by: Yup at March 18, 2018 08:40 PM (UjYrn)

185 I'm thinking at least a 3 inch barrel. 38/357 cal. Anything I shoul avoid?
also, is hammerless a good feature?
Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 08:33 PM


Avoid Taurus, IMNSHO. Unless you want it for CC, hammerless is probably not a thing. I'd recommend 4" to 6" barrel for your first, unless you luck upon a S&W 66 w/ a 3" barrel.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 18, 2018 08:41 PM (DMUuz)

186 123 ... "Somewhere, I have a photo of my six-year-old self with my Hopalong Cassidy hat, kerchief, and gun belt."

LOL. Christmas, 1958. I am posing in my Roy Rogers outfit with the two gun cap pistol rig. Little sister has on her Dale Evans outfit also with cap pistols. Good times. I outgrew the outfit rather quickly but those cap pistols kept protecting the neighborhood for a long time.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 08:41 PM (V+03K)

187 I'm not sure the draft is a bad thing.
Everybody gets a time in the box.
It's one of life's enriching experiences.

Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 08:41 PM (D7dYu)

188
Anyone have any familiarity with a Cajunized CZ?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 18, 2018 08:35 PM (DMUuz)






I wish. I've heard good things though.

My P01 is still stock, but one of these days I'll send it to the Cajuns when I have some spare cash.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2018 08:41 PM (eXA4G)

189 "full... metal... jacket"
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 18, 2018 08:22 PM

What is your major malfunction, numbnutts?!

Posted by: Gunny Hartmann at March 18, 2018 08:42 PM (BuS20)

190 Gloomer, what's that e-mail addy?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:42 PM (qJtVm)

191 Pew = stink.

Guns go Pow.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte at March 18, 2018 08:42 PM (efMXe)

192 Then you will like tonight's ONT.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:20 PM (wYseH)

---
it's a TRAP!

it's going to be all YOKO!

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:42 PM (YtJs4)

193 thanks rhomboid!

it's for bedside. next, concealed carry, but I was thinking if I got the right gun, I could get one of those bags with the gun compartment, so I could use the bedside gun for cc.

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 08:44 PM (xGMkv)

194 it's going to be all YOKO!
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:42 PM (YtJs4)
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But we've been so good(ish)!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:44 PM (qJtVm)

195 Strzok was the point on framing Flynn. His texts show his links to a corrupted federal judge (Contreras) who gave the FISA warrant AND was about to convict Flynn.

And Strzok links to the corrupted acting DOJ Sally Yates who ran the frame of Flynn.

And Mueller brought the case against Flynn, including by threatening his son. Mueller is either complicit, or a catspaw.

This alone is a scandal for the ages.

Will Strzok (or his boss Priestap) sing ... Let us pray!

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 18, 2018 08:45 PM (pV/54)

196 to the extent that one can have a reasoned discussion on the subject, the free-speech analogy is also effective. "The Founders never anticipated the internet, or high-speed printing presses, etc."
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 18, 2018 07:44 PM (NPYdq)

HRC is way ahead of you. "We need to rethink this whole internet thing"

(ca1996, Today show interview, after Bill's affair with a White House office intern was leaked to and published by the Drudge report)

Information got out before,she could stop it. She's been gunning for the first amendment ever since, if not before,

Posted by: Dorothy Gale at March 18, 2018 08:45 PM (Sp1NT)

197 Somewhat on topic// to whoever recommended BAbylon Berlin - thank you. I am really enjoying it. I dont quite understand what is happening, but that doesnt really matter!

Whoever has seen it will understand why it is somewhat related to this gun and gun rights post.

Posted by: LASue at March 18, 2018 08:45 PM (Z48ZB)

198 Since I introduced the topic, here is Wiki on the Reising. It's interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Reising

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 08:45 PM (FJXGr)

199 Antagonist: the Framers never intended the Second Amendment to cover
semi auto rifles like the AR. They could never understand the
lethality.

---
Me: then the First Amendment only pertains to hand written documents, single sheet, hand operated printing presses, paintings and unamplified speech.

Them:........

they also completely ignore the fact that private citizens then could own cannons, and even warships.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:46 PM (YtJs4)

200 retro, that is a classic story about the OSS gun.


On The High Road a few years back, there was an amazing thread about a guy who had a question about the inscription on his Nagant revolver. Turned out to be an award gun from Kliment Voroshilov, Stalin crony and nominal head of the various defense ministry equivalents before/during/after the war. Amazing.


Now THAT was an ordinary used gun purchase that turned out well for the buyer ......

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:46 PM (QDnY+)

201 64 If it's a handgun, Eris.
Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:32 PM (u7MdF)

This is where I love AZ. Non-felon, free, and 21? You don't even need a CCW. You can lawfully carry concealed. No gun registry, no waiting period. Just need work on the places you can't carry.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at March 18, 2018 08:46 PM (l7Kbv)

202 197 Somewhat on topic// to whoever recommended BAbylon Berlin - thank you. I am really enjoying it. I dont quite understand what is happening, but that doesnt really matter!

Whoever has seen it will understand why it is somewhat related to this gun and gun rights post.
Posted by: LASue at March 18, 2018 08:45 PM (Z48ZB)

The 7.62 Tok is even a character!

Well...piece of evidence. But relevant!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:46 PM (xJa6I)

203 Gloomer, what's that e-mail addy?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:42 PM (qJtVm)

I'm at work, but if you wanna shoot me an email, I'll forward it to you.

Txrebel60 at the gmail.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 18, 2018 08:48 PM (u7MdF)

204 168 did someone say they collect 32's?
here's an interesting one,
and you still have 2 hours to bid on it
https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/755019018

That listing is so wrong in so many ways..
- H stands for Heere, not Hahn.
- It wasn't issued to the Luftwaffe.
- its a late war, rough milled finish.

It's an exampke of Scary Black Gun shop selling something they don't know diddke about.

I have about 20 early Sauers; it's one of my main focuses.

However... the earlier 38H is a sublime piece of machining,
and twice the gun that the Mauser Hsc and Walther PP double-actions are.

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:48 PM (lKIbW)

205 Eris's handgun has a restraining order against her? hope it is for verbal or sexual abuse. shudder to think what else it could be.


my golf clubs tried to get a restraining order on me. fortunately the judge was a golfer and simply needed some time with my clubs to realize my clubs were asking for it.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 08:49 PM (MTjB1)

206 I almost stopped buying ammo.

Just when I think I can spend my money (plastic) on some fun, some nimrod goes and shoots people and other nimrods get hysterical and suddenly I have the urge to express my 2A rights.

So I go buy ammo. I almost was going to buy the stuff for a ghost gun (real good price on an upper complete at Brownells) but I just can't do it right now.

Unless of course some idiot in Congress (ha! All of them) decides they just have to f**k with my rights and then I will have to go further in debt to show them they are wrong.

I've bought more guns in the last 3 years than in 50 years!

That's pitiful you know.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 18, 2018 08:49 PM (MioLM)

207 Now THAT was an ordinary used gun purchase that turned out well for the buyer ......
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:46 PM (QDnY+)

Yup...it is my understanding that the Nagants were given out as a awards to good commies who did good commie things.

Some inscribed, some with a nice big red star on them, some both.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 18, 2018 08:49 PM (EoRCO)

208 I'm shopping for a revolver on grabagun.

I'm thinking at least a 3 inch barrel. 38/357 cal. Anything I should avoid?

also, is hammerless a good feature?
Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 08:33 PM

Just my $0.02, but I love my Smith alleys and Wesson 640 Centennial in .357. I'm not a big guy, and it fits my hands very well. Load with a heavy .38 spcl +P, and you've got a good carry gun.

Posted by: Gunny Hartmann at March 18, 2018 08:51 PM (BuS20)

209 Off, DI sock!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 18, 2018 08:51 PM (BuS20)

210 165 Hi!

I'm shopping for a revolver on grabagun.

I'm thinking at least a 3 inch barrel. 38/357 cal. Anything I should avoid?

also, is hammerless a good feature?
Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 08:33 PM (xGMkv)

Hi, avoid hammerless, for range shooting in particular you will want to cock and fire it from time to time.

Ruger is better than Charter Arms.
Smith and Wesson is better than Ruger.

I've been happy with my Taurus revolvers over the years but the triggers tend to be a little rougher.

I've sung the praises of my used S&W model 10 enough, but I really feel it is a great first revolver for anyone.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 08:52 PM (xJa6I)

211 Babylon Berlin was brilliant.

The show is full of early .32's by the way.

The protagonist uses a Dreyse; I have a Weimar era Berlin Police marked Dreyse

my collecting buddy just bought a Saxony Police Dreyse this morning off of gunbroker - listed with a way low "buy now"

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:53 PM (lKIbW)

212 booknlass, if you have any "gun" friends, start with them. They might have revolvers for you to try. Local indoor ranges that rent guns would be another resource.


A good gun store - meaning large enough inventory to have all the models you are considering - is key.


As for specifics, Smith has the Model 60, a very well-balanced small revolver (not sure if it *still* comes in 3-inch barrel, but they did make them that way at one time), and their Model 36 from their "Classic" line (smaller/lighter than the 60).


Ruger has the SP-01, which does come in 3-inch (I like that one, have handled it, balance was nice). Heavier than the Smith models (Ruger is known for very stoutly built guns).


Actually, "bag carry" may open things up a bit for you, compared to men who often have issues with weight and size because they carry in a holster on their belt. If a gun that "fits" you is a bit heavier, not so important.



Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 08:54 PM (QDnY+)

213 Smith alleys and Wesson

Da fuq?!

Autocucumber mocks me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 18, 2018 08:55 PM (BuS20)

214 I went shopping for a striker-fired handgun, and I now have three absolutely mandatory purchases on my list.

1. HK VP9 9mm
2. Sig P226
3. 1911 tactical (something more robust than my Colt Gold Cup)

I believe that is called "mission creep."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:55 PM (wYseH)

215 anyone seen Jim, Sunk New Dawn?

he's usually here for the lovefest

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:56 PM (YtJs4)

216 Any Morons going to be at the Tulsa gun show in a couple of weeks?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 18, 2018 08:56 PM (gdbFO)

217 Gloomer, from what you've posted, it sounds like handguns in MI need to be registered with the local PD, regardless of whether they came from a FFL or a private sale or your own household goods from out of state, but long guns do not? Is that correct?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:56 PM (y87Qq)

218 Thank you, Mark, and Gunny

(used to be a little tavern in Galesburg called Gunny's)

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 08:57 PM (xGMkv)

219 Once again, the Tulsa show is the last month of college semester,
and my students think their education is more important
than C&R guns.

sigh. I agree, but I don't have to like it.

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:59 PM (lKIbW)

220
1. HK VP9 9mm
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:55 PM (wYseH)


If you get the VP9 tactical, it comes with a threaded barrel, 3 mags, and tritium sights. *party kazoo noise*

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:59 PM (y87Qq)

221 220
1. HK VP9 9mm
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:55 PM (wYseH)

If you get the VP9 tactical, it comes with a threaded barrel, 3 mags, and tritium sights. *party kazoo noise*
Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 08:59 PM (y87Qq)

Ooooo, say that again. Slower this time...

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 09:00 PM (NWiLs)

222 rhomboid @ 166- Not had nor handled a CZ75 compact. Mine is full size and sort of feels to me like a 1911, may the blessed memory of John Moses Browning live forever. I do indeed carry it sometimes, but my buddy (retired USAF CPT) does not care to do that. He's gonna need something he DOES carry on a regular basis.

Posted by: Eromero at March 18, 2018 09:02 PM (zLDYs)

223 A few weeks back someone posted a link to the Combat Armory sale on SD9VEs. Not only did I pick up a SD9, but I also grabbed a M&P15. Less than $800 total after transfer fees. Whoever posted that, many, many thanks.
Also picked up a Ruger SR22 for Mrs. GTD. Hopefully she will find it less intimidating and will get comfortable enough to get her CHL.
Of course, all were lost during a fateful canoe trip...

Posted by: Glen The Deplorable at March 18, 2018 09:02 PM (9CimL)

224 booknlass, forgot - but concur with Mark Andrews - I would get a revolver *with* a hammer spur (don't think there are any "hammerless" revolvers, but "bobbed" is where they cut off the spur, or build them without the spur, to make the gun less likely to snag on clothing).


Especially if you end up carrying in a bag, hammer spur is no issue - and it's nice to have the single-action option (that's what it's called when you cock the hammer back with your thumb before firing, as opposed to doing it all by pulling on the trigger, which is double-action).


Oh - and on the shopping part.


If you are in a large metropolitan area - and have a "gun friend" to help - consider buying used. Always good deals out there, and it's sort of like today's car market, where excellent used cars can save you lots of $$$ vs. new.


If shopping online, try checking on Gunwatcher.com to see what prices are available on your chosen models. I'm sure Morons who do more online gun shopping than I do have some other good online stores to recommend. SlickGuns used to have good deals.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:02 PM (QDnY+)

225 215 anyone seen Jim, Sunk New Dawn?

he's usually here for the lovefest
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 08:56 PM (YtJs4)

I think I saw him Friday

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:03 PM (xJa6I)

226 I went shopping for a striker-fired handgun, and I now have three absolutely mandatory purchases on my list.
1. HK VP9 9mm
2. Sig P226
3. 1911 tactical (something more robust than my Colt Gold Cup)

I believe that is called "mission creep."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 08:55 PM


Good choices, all. Sub in a P30 for the VP9, and you can creep that striker right out.

(Les Baer for the .45)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 18, 2018 09:03 PM (DMUuz)

227 Once again, the Tulsa show is the last month of college semester,
and my students think their education is more important

than CR guns.


sigh. I agree, but I don't have to like it.

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 08:59 PM (lKIbW)
---
just tell them you're attending a rally about guns...

they will be thrilled you are so woke


Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 09:03 PM (YtJs4)

228 If shopping online, try checking on Gunwatcher.com to see what prices are available on your chosen models. I'm sure Morons who do more online gun shopping than I do have some other good online stores to recommend. SlickGuns used to have good deals.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:02 PM (QDnY+)

J&G sales, wikiwarms, Classic Firearms, CDNN Investments and the aforementioned Proxibid...which is an auction site.

I've used them all + Gunbroker without too much trouble.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:04 PM (xJa6I)

229 "Just remember the next time someone asks why do you need a
semi-automatic firearm. You answer a question with a question, why did
Rosa Parks need to sit in front of the bus? Rights do not need reasons."

I've never had someone ask why do I need a semi-automatic firearm, but the answer would be it's not up for question. I don't say BFYTW, but I would mark the asker down as potential future enemy.

I didn't used to do that. I think that's where we are in this country now, however.

And people need to go slow on claims that a Second Civil War would be short. Sorry to be an Eeyore. Food for thought:

https://tinyurl.com/zdr5kbp

https://tinyurl.com/zytrvdx

https://tinyurl.com/y9zcpy7f

https://tinyurl.com/yawfnma7

Posted by: Monty James at March 18, 2018 09:05 PM (gKOMX)

230 (Les Baer for the .45)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 18, 2018 09:03 PM (DMUuz)
---
right after i win the lottery.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 09:05 PM (YtJs4)

231 retro, do you shoot any of your 32s?


I've only shot the post-war CZ-27 my friend found (his father, Navy pilot, picked it up somewhere in the 60s).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:06 PM (QDnY+)

232 Ooooo, say that again. Slower this time...
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 09:00 PM (NWiLs)


K... A... Z... O... O...

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 09:07 PM (y87Qq)

233 CBD -

What's up with your Colt Gold Cup?

I always heard, pardon the pun, that they were gold standard 1911's.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:08 PM (xJa6I)

234 K... A... Z... O... O...
Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 09:07 PM (y87Qq)

*sigh*

You ruined the moment.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 18, 2018 09:09 PM (NWiLs)

235 Just remember the next time someone asks why do you need a semi-automatic firearm. ...Rights do not need reasons.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 07:15 PM


I just tell them that Democrat politicians have repeatedly demonstrated that they will allow rioters to burn and loot law abiding citizens and that I am a free citizen, not a serf. I then listen to them sputter in rage.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 18, 2018 09:11 PM (5Yee7)

236 I've used them all + Gunbroker without too much trouble.

You didn't mention Guns America but I would recommend against them. About 10 years ago, I got screwed on a deal through them. When I emailed GA with all the documentation, including a copy of the cashed money order, their response was little more than "huh, that sucks but not our problem."

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 18, 2018 09:11 PM (gdbFO)

237 Ignoramus, on your OT comment re Flynn etc., I too am somewhat excited about how this will all turn out, but I still don't quite get something. If Flynn were "framed", why did Trump fire him?


To answer my own question, relying on you to correct me: Flynn did *not* mischaracterize his conversations with Kislyak during his FBI interview (which was a rather sketchy ambush-style interview under presumed false pretenses). As is rumored to be believed by the other FBI agent present (?).


This is different than a "perjury trap" - this would be out-and-out lying about what a target had done/said, that is, a frame-up.


And I still don't get why Flynn copped a plea, if they were just lying about his interview. And I know about the threat to the son.



Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:11 PM (QDnY+)

238 I wonder how many other kids out there have safety plans?

Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2018 09:11 PM (MS0+a)

239 booknlass, Give a good look at the Ruger sp101 in 357 magnum with the exposed hammer, NOT hammerless. It is a great home defense piece and while heavy for its size and bulky, suitable for bag carry. DO NOT use 357 magnums for protection. Load it with 38 special ammo. The 38s are much easier to control, more comfortable to shoot (less recoil), and will not destroy your hearing. A 357 fired outdoors is painfully concussive. Fired in a room is something that will damage your hearing and make you cringe.

I suggest the Ruger since it is a bit heavier than the comparable Smith and Wesson which helps with recoil.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 09:12 PM (V+03K)

240 right after i win the lottery.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 09:05 PM


Totally worth it, even pre-lottery!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (DMUuz)

241 redc1c4 said "just tell them you're attending a rally about guns...they will be thrilled you are so woke"

A duplicitous plan that I endorse.

cut. jib. newsletter




Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (lKIbW)

242 they were gold standard 1911's.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:08 PM (xJa6I)

Oh, it's a great pistol, but it is built for light target loads and isn't designed for heavy use. I want a slightly heavier slide and a combat sight, although the trigger is sweet, so I'll keep that!

It is, by far, my most accurate pistol.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (wYseH)

243 Judicial Watch today released Broward County Sheriff's Office training and operation materials that specifically dictate that the first one or two officers on the scene of an active shooter incident "will immediately go to confront the shooter."

... cha-ching (hear by the plaintiff bar)

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (e8kgV)

244 booknlass, if you have any "gun" friends, start with them. They might have revolvers for you to try. Local indoor ranges that rent guns would be another resource.


A good gun store - meaning large enough inventory to have all the models you are considering - is key.


As for specifics, Smith has the Model 60, a very well-balanced small revolver (not sure if it *still* comes in 3-inch barrel, but they did make them that way at one time), and their Model 36 from their "Classic" line (smaller/lighter than the 60).


Ruger has the SP-01, which does come in 3-inch (I like that one, have handled it, balance was nice). Heavier than the Smith models (Ruger is known for very stoutly built guns).


Actually, "bag carry" may open things up a bit for you, compared to men who often have issues with weight and size because they carry in a holster on their belt. If a gun that "fits" you is a bit heavier, not so important.



Posted by: rhomboid
********************


I thought the NRA certified individuals who would (for a fee) meet one at the range and walk and talk and shoot the client through a suitcase full of pistols.

Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (D7dYu)

245 shoot the client through a suitcase full of pistols.
Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (D7dYu)


"No, look! It's totally safe, the suitcase full of pistols will deflect the bullets!"

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 09:15 PM (y87Qq)

246 gNewt, hadn't heard about such an NRA program, but that sounds great.


If booknlass has no "gun friends", that would be a great option.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:15 PM (QDnY+)

247 Thanks, JTB. I was thinking I wanted .357 for protection, but hadn't thought of the sound.

Then why buy a .357? Why not just get a .38?

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 09:17 PM (xGMkv)

248 16 23 30 36 47 It wasn't till 1949 that the Soviets re-equipped their infantry with the SKS, firing the 7.62 x 39mm cartridge. The AK eventually replaced the SKS, but the Russian army didn't get large numbers of AK47s till 1956. (Wikipedia is your friend.) The general appearance of the AK vs. the SKS probably explains why the AK was first thought to be a submachine gun. Recall that the USSR had made very extensive use of submachine guns in WW2, also that the Germans originally termed their StG44 a machine pistol.

Posted by: Bill Befort at March 18, 2018 09:17 PM (hJFOo)

249 Recently picked up a used but in good condition Harrington and Richardson 20 ga. single shot. I want to experiment with black powder shotgun shells just for fun.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 09:18 PM (V+03K)

250 I'm personally very wary of handbag carry, on the principle that it's not physically attached to you, and purse snatching is a thing that happens. However, I'm also not the King Of Guns, so you do you.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 09:18 PM (y87Qq)

251 I get confused sometimes folks are talking about this or that great pistol then elsewhere it's like yeah but at the range.

It seems like a good range gun might not be worth a damn if you needed it quick and vice versa. Is that right?

Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 09:19 PM (D7dYu)

252 Rhomboid:

I've only fired a few of them.

Cataract surgery leaves me with coke-bottle bottom
reading glasses, and a wholly separate lens for distance.

And middle vision is crap.

3 years ago I decided to build a collection, and learn to really shoit a handgun. within months, rapidly developing cataracts in my late 50's scotched the marksmanship portion of the plan.

I did go to the range last summer with retrodaughter and one of my students - a nice Jewish girl - who is an ace instructor and a cokd, dead-eyed marksman.

Her grandad survived the camps.

She shot the OSS colt, and an HSc Mauser made by GI's after they captured the factory from the Krauts.

The smile on her face ...priceless.

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 09:20 PM (lKIbW)

253 Was in Italy with a British Columbian a couple of years ago and she questioned my defense of the second amendment. Since we were drunk on red wine and limoncello......I didn't respond. But the next night.....I pulled her aside and showed her the first amendment. And said....that is why I am so passionate about the 2nd.

I love me my Canadians but they have nothing to protect themselves

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at March 18, 2018 09:20 PM (mMeIQ)

254 "If Flynn were "framed", why did Trump fire him?"

Here's my theory. Yates had the transcript of the Flynn call. Flynn either lied to downplay the call (disinformation) or Strzok lied about it.

Yates went public and made Flynn a liability, and Pence got pissy after beig used in an attempt to shield Flynn.

Don't forget that Mueller didn't urn over exculpatory evidence.

Flynn alone can blow up Mueller (and others).

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 18, 2018 09:21 PM (pV/54)

255 but magazine-fed rifles were not new at that point. Anyone with two peanuts to rub together shouldn't be mistaking an AK47 for a SMG.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:39 PM (xJa6I)


No, up to a decade or so after WWII, what we now classify as "assault rifles" (i.e., full auto capability with an intermediate-power cartridge) was commonly termed a sub-machine gun. There is an H. Beam Piper post-nuke apocalypse short story that mentions the M-16 and calls it an SMG and he knew guns.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 18, 2018 09:21 PM (5Yee7)

256 Hillary overwhelmingly won the places where 99% of all murders occur.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 18, 2018 08:05

Tru dat.

Posted by: Farmer at March 18, 2018 09:22 PM (yJ1e6)

257 251. I think that's accurate. Of course, I grew up in a household where a 'medicine cabinet gun' was, as they say, A Thing.

There are handguns suitable for combat, and there are handguns good for rangetime. The two seldom overlap in my experience.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 18, 2018 09:23 PM (fA1SL)

258 If Flynn were "framed", why did Trump fire him?

1) Flynn had lots of enemies.

2) His lie to Pence, could very easily been a perjury trap fro the VP. At that time, he would have no reason not to trust the FBI.

Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2018 09:24 PM (MS0+a)

259 I do not collect, and will not own, a Nazi-proofed pistol.

Instead, I have 8 that were made post-liberation, and while
the war was still raging.

Nothing like taking back the factories and using the found guns
to shoot the Nazi's as they retreated east.

How do like your scadenfreud now, bitchez?

Posted by: retropox at March 18, 2018 09:25 PM (lKIbW)

260 The Crap still keeps bubbling in Illinois. Bloomberg's everytown whores combined with some once-off shifts in the legislature and the tragedy in Fla. with campaign season and some Madigan scandals that need distractions have lead to some serious shit being fought out.

Usually we have a 10 vote advantage on most of this with help from downstate democrats and harm from suburban republicans but we are running about 10 behind on most of the latest bills.

Felon for mags over 10 rounds (being worked on for reintroduction in the house in coming months)

Felon for under 21 possession of semi autos and mags over 10 rounds that currently impacts the mere presence in the house or car with such weapons. passed

3 day waiting period on semi auto sales. passed

Possible push for an AWB.

Bumpstock ban that has a posing pill turning packs a AWB preemption deal from a few years back. being reworked fr PP

A state dealer licensing bill that would virtually eliminate smaller/kitchen table FFLs in the state. passed/vetoed

Rauner has vetoed the dealer bill and is said to be willing to veto all but the bump stock but that was before the poison pill was added for campaign imaging if he's forced to veto that one.

I live on the north shore and my rep and senator are progressive democrats. Redistricting and flight from Chicago screwed over my districts.

Posted by: Keith at March 18, 2018 09:26 PM (USf3s)

261 well the whole Flynn has so many angles who knows. maybe Trump was convinced to fire him for appearances. Maybe pence made a stink because he and or his allies wanted Flynn out. Who knows.


by the way the less attention pence gets the better.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 09:26 PM (MTjB1)

262 booknlass, I concur with JTB about .357. Especially with modern self-defense ammo design, 38 is a perfectly good choice. (however almost *any* firearm fired in a confined space, without hearing protection, will cause hearing damage - of course the bigger the caliber the bigger the impulse and the worse the damage, but all calibers can do damage)


357 has higher pressures than 38; so guns designed for that caliber are stronger. Revolvers using only 38 will not take 357 ammo (the 357 was made longer primarily so that 38-only revolvers could not use it, thus avoiding possibly dangerous "kabooms" as they are called). But all 357 revolvers can handle the lower-pressure 38.


The SP-101 from Ruger comes in a 38-only version. I assume it's a bit lighter, but not sure.


But remember weight is your friend in terms of control and recoil - the larger mass of the gun, generally, makes the recoil easier to deal with.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:26 PM (QDnY+)

263 whenever you are in the swamp you are through the looking glass.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 09:26 PM (MTjB1)

264 247 "Then why buy a .357? Why not just get a .38?"

booknlass, 357 revolvers are more commonly available these days than strictly 38 specials. Also, they are usually a bit heavier than 38 special guns which helps soak up recoil, especially for a beginner.

Having said that, a 3" or 4" barrel Smith and Wesson model 10 38 special would be a good choice. There are plenty of used, police trade-ins available. They often look scruffy on the outdside from all that holster time but have usually been shot very little. If it matters, they are relatively inexpensive as revolvers go. I have a 4" bull barrel version. Looks like crap but is fine mechanically.

Do a search on the Model 10. Most people love them. Just a thought.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 09:27 PM (V+03K)

265 AFAIK, any .357 will fire 38 special.

You practice with the 38s, but always make sure to fire 5 or 10 magnums when there, so you know how the gun moves.

Just go and look at the specs for anybody's revolvers in .357 caliber. They'll all be showing the dual chambering.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 18, 2018 09:27 PM (5OEn4)

266 you can shoot 38's out of a 357, but not vice versa, and a 357 should be a bit heavier, which helps with recoil.

besides, with the 357, you can shoot 357 when/if you want/need to.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 09:27 PM (YtJs4)

267 >>>Iver Johnson?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState<<<

Ssshhhh! Let's not talk about McKinley or Roosevelt or Kennedy. My Johnson is swaddled in silk and cashmere.

Posted by: Fritz at March 18, 2018 09:30 PM (bJ0w+)

268 I call bullshit/incompetence. Not at you, Palpy, but
magazine-fed rifles were not new at that point. Anyone with two
peanuts to rub together shouldn't be mistaking an AK47 for a SMG.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:39 PM (xJa6I)


At it's inception, and as it was being considered for adoption, the Stoner and M-16 variants were considered for a short time to be sub-guns by gun writers as well.

It is a terminology thing, what do you call something that isn't really a carbine, isn't really a full sized battle rifle because of the ammo, and goes full auto?

Well, now it is a battle rifle, but it took some time to shake out.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 09:30 PM (2K6fY)

269 at "its" inception. gah.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 09:30 PM (2K6fY)

270 If either Strzok or Priestap sings, the Flynn thing rolls up with a corrupt federal judge, a corrupt acting AG and Mueller (either complicit or catspaw).

Dirty cops (Comey) and frames by overzealous prosecutors is the stuff movies are made of, and what people will understand and react to.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 18, 2018 09:30 PM (pV/54)

271 251 I get confused sometimes folks are talking about this or that great pistol then elsewhere it's like yeah but at the range.

It seems like a good range gun might not be worth a damn if you needed it quick and vice versa. Is that right?
Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 09:19 PM (D7dYu)

For me a good range gun is one that is fun to shoot and accurate.

But not all of my range guns are carry guns, mostly due to reliability issues. At the range, I can tolerate a failure every 100 rounds or so. I mean, that's what most .22 long rifles are like, on a good day.

But for me, a carry or home defense gun needs to go bang every single time. So my carry guns are mostly Glocks, Springfield XDs and the like.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:31 PM (xJa6I)

272 O/T - Drudge is running a poll asking if Trump should fire Mueller. There are over 500,000 votes.

Is Trump going to fire him this week?

Posted by: ALH at March 18, 2018 09:31 PM (7XQIP)

273 Got my oldest son out last weekend with his first rifle, camping, etc.

It's a Henry mini-bolt youth, single shot, .22LR.

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/mini-bolt-youth/


On the way out, we covered and explained the four laws of gun safety, for which he was a great student, and his attention was high. After we got out, cut firewood, and set up camp, he was chomping at the bit. We set up some cans and clay pigeons at about 15 yards, and after explaining the hold, explaining the sights, discussing trigger discipline, he took his first shot.

One clay pigeon exploded. The look on his face was priceless. A few more shots and we put it away for the night, got a nice dinner and a good night sleep. Next day was filled with dead pigeons, cans, etc., and lots of smiles.


I highly recommend the Henry mini-bolt youth. It has the 5-6 year old LOP, decent trigger, bright and color contrasting fiber optic sights, which made sight picture discussion and learning easy, and beyond being single shot, the bolt does not cock the firing pin, which helps slow down the process of loading, shoulder the rifle, sight picture, cocking etc., as a little bit of added safety measure for carrying the rifle loaded (some day).

I also finally got to shoot some of my .45 LC handloads out of my Bisley Blackhawk (250 grain XTPs at about 100 fps.).

Fun times and memories to last a lifetime.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 18, 2018 09:31 PM (Dp6qK)

274 Any recommendations on a solid, reliable .308 or 30-06? Preferably budget friendly.

Posted by: Glen The Deplorable at March 18, 2018 09:32 PM (9CimL)

275 So we are about to move into new digs and will need a real safe. We have always lived in houses with basements and I have some Stack-On gun boxes that I've bolted to the floors and walls in dry basement rooms.

No basement where we are going, and we think we'll do one of those big Libertys in a corner of the den-office. In white.

So, here is a q for you safies that have moved. Do you sell the safe when you sell the house? I'm guessing the moving costs are huge for one.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 18, 2018 09:32 PM (5OEn4)

276 https://tinyurl.com/yd9mo2e3

'We were asking to go in': EMT at Parkland Shooting speaks out and pulls no punches

Now for a palate cleanser watch Coral Springs Fire Lt. Laz Ojeda

https://tinyurl.com/yak2ng79

The cops were miserable, the fire department EMTs were HEROES.

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at March 18, 2018 09:33 PM (EMi53)

277 last time I talked to you guys about the gun I am going to buy, I didn't copy and paste everything into a document.

this time I did. I've put away about 450 to get a gun, so now I can really use the info. Thanks!

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 09:33 PM (xGMkv)

278 link on Drudge to NR article by McCarthy discussing how mueller is shredding doj charging policy.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 18, 2018 09:34 PM (MTjB1)

279 And . . . here is Lindybeige firing a rifle for the first time.

Why should some Brit go to Switzerland?

https://youtu.be/w4tzIuhmDa4

Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 09:34 PM (2K6fY)

280 255 but magazine-fed rifles were not new at that point. Anyone with two peanuts to rub together shouldn't be mistaking an AK47 for a SMG.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 07:39 PM (xJa6I)

No, up to a decade or so after WWII, what we now classify as "assault rifles" (i.e., full auto capability with an intermediate-power cartridge) was commonly termed a sub-machine gun. There is an H. Beam Piper post-nuke apocalypse short story that mentions the M-16 and calls it an SMG and he knew guns.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 18, 2018 09:21 PM (5Yee7)

I disagree (not about H. Beam, he did indeed know guns). A SMG has always been a pistol cartridge. We didn't call the M2 carbine a SMG even though it wasn't firing a full-power rifle round.

The power comparison between a STG 44 or an AK 47 and a 9mm or even 7.62 TOK isn't even close.

Feels like shoddy attention to detail to me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:35 PM (xJa6I)

281 274
Any recommendations on a solid, reliable .308 or 30-06? Preferably budget friendly.



Posted by: Glen The Deplorable at March 18, 2018 09:32 PM (9CimL)


I am a fan of the Ruger M77 Mk II rifles. There are many different versions out there, but mine is an a stainless synthetic All Weather.

Can't go wrong with that.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 18, 2018 09:35 PM (Dp6qK)

282 I thought the NRA certified individuals who would
(for a fee) meet one at the range and walk and talk and shoot the client
through a suitcase full of pistols.

Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (D7dYu)---
i'm not NRA certified anything, just a Life Member, but if you're anywhere reasonably close to me in Lost Angels/SoCal, i'll be happy to meet you at a range and let you try a variety of pistols.

you just buy the ammo. (no reloads, please) same holds true for rifles or shotguns.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2018 09:35 PM (YtJs4)

283 Ignoramus, thanks.


I have no theory myself, but from the outset I have found it incomprehensible that anyone, much less the former NSA chief FFS, would fib about a monitored conversation.


Strzok lying, and changing the 302 per pressure from McCabe, is actually more plausible than Flynn thinking he could lie about a phone convo with the Russian ambassador. And, of course, a consummation devoutly to be wished in this case.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:36 PM (QDnY+)

284 274 Any recommendations on a solid, reliable .308 or 30-06? Preferably budget friendly.

Posted by: Glen The Deplorable at March 18, 2018 09:32 PM (9CimL)

Budget-friendly? Savage Axis or a used Remington Model 70.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:36 PM (xJa6I)

285 Any recommendations on a solid, reliable .308 or 30-06? Preferably budget friendly.

Look at the Savage Axis II and the Thompson Center Compass. I think Cabela's currently has the T/C for $250 after a mail-in rebate.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 18, 2018 09:37 PM (gdbFO)

286 Any recommendations on a solid, reliable .308 or 30-06? Preferably budget friendly.

Posted by: Glen The Deplorable at March 18, 2018 09:32 PM (9CimL)


The Savage package rifles are pretty well-regarded for the price.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 09:37 PM (y87Qq)

287 279 And . . . here is Lindybeige firing a rifle for the first time.

Why should some Brit go to Switzerland?

https://youtu.be/w4tzIuhmDa4
Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 09:34 PM (2K6fY)

Lindybeige is full of crap half the time and the other half...he's nearly wetting himself.

Gah. Never mind me. I can't stand the guy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:37 PM (xJa6I)

288 Could that National Review article that Ace touted last week be the turning pointtbin public opinion? I think so



It lays out the corruption and motives all of the links so well.

Posted by: LASue at March 18, 2018 09:38 PM (Z48ZB)

289 I was looking at the Savage models. Seemed like a good deal with the scope.

Posted by: Glen The Deplorable at March 18, 2018 09:39 PM (9CimL)

290 And . . . here is Lindybeige firing a rifle for the first time.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 09:34 PM (2K6fY)


Not sure who that is, but Swiss K-rifles are tits.

Can we say tits in the gun thread?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 09:40 PM (y87Qq)

291 289 I was looking at the Savage models. Seemed like a good deal with the scope.
Posted by: Glen The Deplorable at March 18, 2018 09:39 PM (9CimL)

Savage makes a good product for a good price.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian Not Andrew McCabe at March 18, 2018 09:40 PM (3Pma+)

292 "Any recommendations on a solid, reliable .308 or 30-06? Preferably budget friendly."

Another vote for the Savage Axis II. And keep track of prices at Cabelas for them. They have pretty good sales on that type of rifle.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 09:41 PM (V+03K)

293 247 Thanks, JTB. I was thinking I wanted .357 for protection, but hadn't thought of the sound.

Then why buy a .357? Why not just get a .38?
Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 09:17 PM (xGMkv)

Lass, the .357, especially out of a 4" or longer barrel, is a VERY effective man stopper. But that comes at the cost of more blast and recoil (and ammo cost, usually).

.357's also weigh more as compared to most dedicated .38's but as others have said, weight is your friend...any time except when you're carrying a gun

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:41 PM (xJa6I)

294 Tits! Now we're getting somewhere!

Posted by: davidt at March 18, 2018 09:42 PM (djCea)

295 If you buy an Savage Axis be sure to to buy a couple of spare mags if you can. They are 4 round mags.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 18, 2018 09:44 PM (2DOZq)

296 "Can we say tits in the gun thread?"

Well, black powder percussion guns have nipples, so saying tits should be okay.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 09:44 PM (V+03K)

297 Mark, that's what I gathered, and that's why I wanted that dual caliber possibility.

maybe I should just take to wearing headphones around my neck all the time. I've seen people do it, for music.

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 09:44 PM (xGMkv)

298 And Nipples!!

Posted by: davidt at March 18, 2018 09:44 PM (djCea)

299 LA Sue, I haven't read that article yet. Thanks for the reminder

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 09:46 PM (xGMkv)

300 273

I also finally got to shoot some of my .45 LC handloads out of my Bisley Blackhawk (250 grain XTPs at about 100 fps.).

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 18, 2018 09:31 PM (Dp6qK)


What powder are you using for your Colt loads? I'm still experimenting with loads for my Blackhawk and haven't hit on anything I really like. I got some suggestions here a few weeks ago, but haven't bought any of the suggested powders yet.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 18, 2018 09:46 PM (DNH+H)

301 Feels like shoddy attention to detail to me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:35 PM (xJa6I)


I usually agree with your posts but you seem to be intentionally missing the point that a couple of us have made. It is incontrovertible that what we now term "assault rifles" were termed "submachine guns" in the 1950s. It's not because those people were stupid, it just took a while for terminology to catch up with the new firearm design.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 18, 2018 09:48 PM (5Yee7)

302 I thought the NRA certified individuals who would
(for a fee) meet one at the range and walk and talk and shoot the client
through a suitcase full of pistols.

Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 09:13 PM (D7dYu)---
i'm not NRA certified anything, just a Life Member, but if you're anywhere reasonably close to me in Lost Angels/SoCal, i'll be happy to meet you at a range and let you try a variety of pistols.

you just buy the ammo. (no reloads, please) same holds true for rifles or shotguns.

Posted by: redc1c4
********************

That's a generous offer. My comment was a response to booknlass's search for the right pistol. Don't know what part of the country she hails from.

Oh, booknlass, lookie here.

Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 09:48 PM (D7dYu)

303 I'd have to check to be sure, but I believe it was 2400. Could have been a hodgdon powder, though.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2018 09:49 PM (Dp6qK)

304

Booknlass,

The snubby revolver is not really a great choice as a first, or amateur weapon, despite it being marketed as such. Manipulation & presentation, recoil control, and round count awareness all come into play. They are somewhat more difficult to 'drive' for a less experienced shooter.

If you go that route, get training specifically on that weapon, not just marksmanship but also fighting with a snubby (marksmanship is not fighting, despite gun shop commando BS to the contrary).

I would recommend the DVD 'Armed Response: Secrets of the Snubby' by Claude Werner as an excellent intro. Claude may not be the most dynamic teacher but his material is excellent and drives home the core of snubby employment, and I have shot with him... he can drive one.

That said, A Ruger SP101 3" in .357 loaded with a proper .38 defense load will serve you well... after a trigger job. An excellent utility snubby suitable as a working gun as well as a defense piece, if it meets your needs.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits in a Pike Chair, Beeep Beeep at March 18, 2018 09:49 PM (UFLLM)

305 Hogmartin, .308? Why, M1A1 of course. You're welcome.

Posted by: Eromero at March 18, 2018 09:49 PM (zLDYs)

306 And . . . here is Lindybeige firing a rifle for the first time.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 09:34 PM (2K6fY)

That is a cool range.

Lindybeige is full of crap half the time and the other half...he's nearly wetting himself.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:37 PM (xJa6I)

I saw a video with him and The Chieftain (Nicholas Moran) at the tank museum. The Chieftain was very patient.

Posted by: Keith at March 18, 2018 09:50 PM (USf3s)

307 In my experience, bolt guns tend to all be rock solid reliable. The price is for accuracy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 09:50 PM (yQpMk)

308 booknlass, as you self-edumucate on guns for your purchase, don't be shy about asking the Horde more questions.


And one final suggestion for now.


There's a website called Cornered Cat - blogger is a female firearms and self-defense expert. Great articles for you to get into the gun topic.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2018 09:50 PM (QDnY+)

309 275

So, here is a q for you safies that have moved. Do you sell the safe when you sell the house? I'm guessing the moving costs are huge for one.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 18, 2018 09:32 PM (5OEn4)


I've moved mine twice, using professional movers both times, along with all our other stuff. Both times I just pointed it out to the estimator guy and he figured it out along with everything else, no big deal. I don't have a real big safe, around 450 lbs empty. Both times it came out of a basement and went back into a basement.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 18, 2018 09:50 PM (DNH+H)

310 How do like your scadenfreud now, bitchez?
Posted by: retropox
-------------------

You mean like this? :

http://tinyurl.com/y8hzgvo5

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 09:51 PM (c/EDo)

311 301 Feels like shoddy attention to detail to me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:35 PM (xJa6I)

I usually agree with your posts but you seem to be intentionally missing the point that a couple of us have made. It is incontrovertible that what we now term "assault rifles" were termed "submachine guns" in the 1950s. It's not because those people were stupid, it just took a while for terminology to catch up with the new firearm design.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 18, 2018 09:48 PM (5Yee7)



I'm not trying to be mule-y. I think.
If you have something for me to read where lower-powered rifles were referred to as SMGs, I'll be glad to admit I'm wrong.

But apart from the STG 44 being referred to one to get past Hitler's wartime procurement blockades, I've never heard of a rifle-caliber weapon being referred to as an SMG.

If I'm wrong, I'm willing to admit it, just point me to the literature. I like to read

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:52 PM (xJa6I)

312 ERIS: Yes, you must register handguns brought into the State of Michigan.

Posted by: CMU VET at March 18, 2018 09:53 PM (C+wjz)

313 *ONT is NOOD!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 18, 2018 09:53 PM (Ckg4U)

314 Hogmartin, .308? Why, M1A1 of course. You're welcome.
Posted by: Eromero at March 18, 2018 09:49 PM (zLDYs)


Thank you! Just put it over there next to the others and I'll get right to it.

But... I wasn't asking, Glen The Deplorable was.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 18, 2018 09:54 PM (y87Qq)

315 TWD

*gee, maybe I could use some range time*

Posted by: Rick at March 18, 2018 09:54 PM (c/EDo)

316 One of these threads I want to have a discussion on the use, or rather, nonuse, of pistol sights.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 09:55 PM (yQpMk)

317 Yep, eventually moving back so after six months I can file for a CPL.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 08:08 PM (qJtVm)


You're gonna be shocked by the cost to title and register your auto and the cost of auto insurance is going to give you a heart attack.

Posted by: Bill R. at March 18, 2018 09:55 PM (IuYIh)

318 303 I'd have to check to be sure, but I believe it was 2400. Could have been a hodgdon powder, though.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2018 09:49 PM (Dp6qK)


Thanks. I have a can of 2400, but haven't tried it in 45 Colt yet. I've tried Bullseye, Blue Dot, HP38 and H110. Not happy with any of them so far. I bought a can of Red Dot the other day and have some loaded up, but haven't shot them yet. I also have some slightly hotter Bullseye loads to test.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 18, 2018 09:56 PM (DNH+H)

319 It was 20.2 grains of 2400, 250 grain ftp, and cci 300 lp primer in win brass. Hornady book load, IIRC.

It was noticeably hotter than the buffalo bore Keith load out of the 5.5" Blackhawk. I only had 12, and let my brother fire 6. I will definitely be revisiting this load for hunting.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2018 09:56 PM (Dp6qK)

320 Posted by: Monty James at March 18, 2018 09:05 PM (gKOMX)

Those are some good links.

Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2018 09:57 PM (sdi6R)

321 316 One of these threads I want to have a discussion on the use, or rather, nonuse, of pistol sights.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 09:55 PM (yQpMk)

That would be a good thread.

Now, only sadly after my eyes have started to go, I've been convinced how important front sight 'focus' (as opposed to 'looking at') is for my accuracy.

But I also know guys who can point shoot like a maniac. And when I was young, I could hip shoot pretty well too.

Would be a good article/topic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:57 PM (xJa6I)

322 I like the LCR357, shooting 38

Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2018 09:57 PM (MS0+a)

323 And Lass, one last, late post but...are you sure you want a revolver?

For $400 you can get some very, very good semi-auto pistols nowadays. While at $400 or $450 you're going to have to hunt for a good quality revolver (which are out there, don't get me wrong).

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:59 PM (xJa6I)

324 @ booknlass.


You should study every word and illustration in Kathy Jackson's estimable www.corneredcat.com.

The information contained at the website is also available in printed book version.

A VERY GREAT AMOUNT of the so-called "instruction" found online, is posted by idiots, retards, incompetent, safety-challenged, shit spouting blowhards doing poor imitations of any kind of a qualified INSTRUCTOR.

Kathy Jackson is quite the opposite. Every word she's typed as to technique, nomenclature, practices, safety, mindset and much more withal, is EXACTLY correct. You simply cannot go wrong studying her material.

Find her chapters on "SAFETY", and especially internalize The Four Rules. Only after having committed those to deep memory via rote-repetitious verbal and written repetitions, should you then go on to study subsequent chapters on technique, etc.

Now then. Many people here have suggested Police Surplus S&W K frame revolvers. I highly concur. *IF* you can find a 3" barrel sample thereof, jump on it. It's about as large as most people can manage for CCW, but still laser beam accurate, too.

Finally, this. Do some homework, and find an instructor of top reputation in your area.

Budget $200 of his time, and get started with the right habits, not bad habits.

And join your local IDPA chapter, too. International Defensive Pistol Association. You'll learn a lot, and practice in a dynamic, rather than a static manner. No, it's not as good as Special Forces Combat Training.

But it's good practice under some stress and pressure. It WILL improve your skills.

Plus, fun.

Anyway, this'll get Willowed, I'm sure, seeing it's bout ONT time.




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 18, 2018 09:59 PM (QzJWU)

325 319 It was 20.2 grains of 2400, 250 grain ftp, and cci 300 lp primer in win brass. Hornady book load, IIRC.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2018 09:56 PM (Dp6qK)


Thanks!

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 18, 2018 09:59 PM (DNH+H)

326 thank you all. red, I'm in IL, so too far, but thank you so much

Posted by: booknlass at March 18, 2018 09:59 PM (xGMkv)

327 Lindybeige is full of crap half the time and the other half...he's nearly wetting himself.



Gah. Never mind me. I can't stand the guy.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 18, 2018 09:37 PM (xJa6I)


Eh, he is a fanboi who probably shouldn't speak about anything more recent than the English Civil War.
Anything he says about firearms is about the level of Lewis Carroll speaking authoritatively about gynecology, but he can be entertaining outside of that.

He does seem willing to learn, which is the most important thing

Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 10:02 PM (2K6fY)

328
Now, only sadly after my eyes have started to go, I've been convinced how important front sight 'focus' (as opposed to 'looking at') is for my accuracy.
-----------

Yeah, my depth of field is shot to shit. I have to select
one of three ( Rear sight, front sight, or target), then, select the lens that works best for that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 10:04 PM (7ThJ3)

329 A VERY GREAT AMOUNT of the so-called "instruction" found online, is posted by idiots, retards, incompetent, safety-challenged, shit spouting blowhards
------------

You really know how to hurt a guy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 10:05 PM (7ThJ3)

330 ...You really know how to hurt a guy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2018 10:05 PM (7ThJ3)



You will notice of course, good sir, that I specifically did NOT mention "Morons".

'Cause, MORONS!


*cheers!*



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 18, 2018 10:07 PM (QzJWU)

331 For 45 Colt reloads, I've never found anything better than Unique powder. Unless you are making up barn burner loads, give Unique a try.

Posted by: JTB at March 18, 2018 10:09 PM (V+03K)

332 Note that the Seaside idiot was A COP. These are the folks we're supposed to support as *the only ones with guns*.

This guy joins that idiot that shot himself in the foot (youtube), the cops in CA who shot at the ladies delivering newspapers, the ones who shot Amadou Diallo, the NYC cops who shot *two* different bystanders (and NOT the perp).......

Please. Tell us again how only cops can have weapons in a school?

Posted by: GWB at March 18, 2018 10:36 PM (63l5P)

333 How do we get teacher concealed carry in classrooms?

Easy peasy.

Just launch a massive NRA campaign AGAINST teacher carry by the NRA. Claim teachers are too fucking stupid to safely handle weapons.

Either way it goes we win.

Posted by: torabora at March 18, 2018 10:45 PM (XOuk3)

334 307 In my experience, bolt guns tend to all be rock solid reliable. The price is for accuracy.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 18, 2018 09:50 PM (yQpMk)
**************
word

Posted by: Zombie Lee Harvy Oswald at March 18, 2018 10:48 PM (XOuk3)

335 I miss phrases..

god bless you is not a crime.


a hug is as good as a rest.

Posted by: your welcome at March 18, 2018 10:49 PM (Up8Lm)

336 I was building a roof!

Posted by: little bill at March 18, 2018 10:50 PM (Up8Lm)

337 IT's only the left that is keeping us apart!

Posted by: i love the USA at March 18, 2018 10:56 PM (Up8Lm)

338 don't make me come over there!?

Posted by: keep america great at March 18, 2018 10:58 PM (Up8Lm)

339 Capt. Marko Ramius: A little revolution now and then is a healthy thing, don't you think?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 18, 2018 10:58 PM (5tSKk)

340 2nd amend will only be used..

when it's broken.

Posted by: keep america great at March 18, 2018 10:59 PM (Up8Lm)

341 remember 50% of grade 6

students don't know what 5 X 7 is.

Canada needs rescuing.....

Posted by: keep america great at March 18, 2018 11:02 PM (Up8Lm)

342 It's not a hand maids tale.

Posted by: keep america great at March 18, 2018 11:04 PM (Up8Lm)

343 I miss the smell!

Posted by: last shot at March 18, 2018 11:05 PM (Up8Lm)

344 who shot last?

Posted by: last shot at March 18, 2018 11:05 PM (Up8Lm)

345 186 I had that outfit (and Roy and Dale were family friends.) My Indian cousin (1/4 Cherokee but every inch the perfect Indian princess) rebelled against always having to be the Indian in "Cowboys and Indians."

Posted by: Charles the Simple at March 18, 2018 11:13 PM (w7U7L)

346 279 And . . . here is Lindybeige firing a rifle for the first time.

Why should some Brit go to Switzerland?

https://youtu.be/w4tzIuhmDa4
Posted by: Kindltot at March 18, 2018 09:34 PM (2K6fY)
----
"Here's XX firing a gun. I'll zoom in for more intensity."

*zoom in*

"...more intensity!"

*zoom in*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 18, 2018 11:20 PM (qJtVm)

347 Greetings:

Re: The CIA and the AK-47

If they found out about it in 1953, how come the US Army was so firmly committed to the 20-round (actually 1 magazine for Viet Nam era M-16s ??

Posted by: 11B40 at March 19, 2018 01:11 AM (evgyj)

348 Comedy gold:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-control-bill-march-2018-1.4581821

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at March 19, 2018 03:54 AM (0/2MJ)

349 187 I'm not sure the draft is a bad thing.
Everybody gets a time in the box.
It's one of life's enriching experiences.
Posted by: gNewt at March 18, 2018 08:41 PM (D7dYu)

The military does not exist to provide "life's enriching experiences".

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at March 19, 2018 04:52 AM (0/2MJ)

350 John Brennan is an arrogant little shmuck. I wonder why Clapper hasn't joined the Comey Brennan choir? Maybe one of his enemies has something that has ol Clapper by short hairs as it were.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 19, 2018 12:34 PM (Sda6L)

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