Saturday Evening Movie Thread 02-24-2018 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

Extracting Emotion

For those of you with long memories, in my first post I called all movies lies. Movies are about manipulation in order to get you emotionally involved with people who never existed during events that never took place. Any emotion you do end up feeling is a manipulation of sight and sound to get you to feel that way. I don't see anything particularly wrong with that, but understanding that it's all a manipulation, I think, helps to view certain things that movies do in a new light.

One of the things that movies sometimes do that makes this very obvious to me is when they try to force an emotion from me, the audience, before it has done the necessary work to actually create an emotional connection between me and the characters on screen.

In order to highlight what I mean, I've provided two clips below. The first is from a movie that, in the hands of almost any other director, would be considered a masterpiece, but coming from Martin Scorsese is merely one of his better films. The second is from an over-praised comic book movie. Is it fair to compare the two? Well, I'm not comparing them as a whole, just two scenes that happen at about the same point in each and seem to have similar points.

The first is from Hugo:

This is our introduction to Papa Georges. I wish there was a bit more to the clip, but I think it shows enough to make my point. What emotion are we supposed to understand that Papa Georges is feeling? There seems to be a deep sadness about him, but are we, as an audience, expected to share in that sadness in that moment?

Before you answer, watch the second clip from Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2:

This is the first time we've seen the character Yondu in this film. If you haven't seen the first movie, your introduction to the character is him emoting heavily. If you have seen the first movie, none of what Yondu is going through here is even hinted at in the first adventure. This is the introduction to a major conflict for this character (being cast out from the other 99 Ravagers). Yondu is obviously deeply sad about this, but how are we, as the audience, expected to react to that emotionally?

The answer to both, I think, is keyed by the music. In the clip from Hugo, the music is almost defiantly jaunty after we see Papa Georges' sadness. We're supposed to see his sadness, perhaps understand that it's a deep melancholy, but we're not expected to share in it just yet. In the clip from Guardians, the music swells to dramatic highs as though we're expected to feel the emotions that Yondu is feeling. I suppose that if you're really invested in Yondu as a character, then some very sudden realization that he has a sad past that was never hinted at before could elicit something, but for the rest of the audience, I'm fairly certain it doesn't work.

Emotional Journeys

There seems to be a difference in outlook from the creators of both films about what exactly the purposes of these scenes are. Scorsese sees his scene as an introduction to a character, the first step on a journey that will reveal the reasons for that melancholy. Gunn, on the other hand, seems to think that his scene is an emotional payoff on its own.

Is that a fair reading of the intentions of both scenes and filmmakers? I think so. One, I don't imagine that too many people would disagree with me that Scorsese is a better storyteller than James Gunn, but that's an argument by authority and not terribly convincing on its own. Scorsese did make New York, New York, for all its worth. To understand how these are intended, one needs to view the rest of the movies.

Hugo sees the discovery of Papa Georges' past as its main driver in terms of plot, character, and theme. Our main character, Hugo Cabret, goes on a search for family, and his way to find one is to find Papa Georges' past, so we go on a journey to find out who he was, driven by Hugo. Hugo's own path is tied inexorably to Papa Georges' past, so when we do find out why he's so sad, we've grown to know him, and the emotional payoff ends up being satisfying.

Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2, however, isn't nearly so focused. We get bits here and there in fits and starts. Yondu is far from the center of the film. He's a secondary character. You might expect an emotional payoff for him to be a minor goal to the overall picture and treated as such. To me, that implies that his emotional journey should be of relative importance to the amount of screen time the character receives. Should Yondu be dealing with something as large as rejection from his entire culture as his part of the movie? I feel like it's too much, and that it starts out asking for way too much from the audience in terms of emotional involvement.

Resolutions

Look at how both of my examples wrap up. For Hugo, we need a couple of clips. First of all, Papa Georges is actually Georges Melies, the silent film pioneer who made The Voyage to the Moon. Here's where we see that reveal (if you haven't seen the movie, do take the time to watch):

We can hear his happiness when he was on the rise, and the sadness as it falls apart. This is why I think the emotional journey works, because we gain an understanding of Papa Georges' happiness before he became sad. We see it, even experience it, with him. The next clip is the culmination of his journey:

It's obvious that, as we've gotten to know Papa Georges as a character, that he may be ornery, but he does develop a connection with Hugo through the boy's honesty and ability to fix broken things, much like how Hugo fixes Papa Georges.

Here's how Guardians ends its emotional journey for Yondu:

That's as big an emotional sendoff you can get for a character, especially considering that he's actually kind of a minor player in the film, and the payoff for the Ravager stuff is in here as well with the other Ravagers accepting him as one of their own. For me, the scene, especially that specific aspect of it, fell flat. Don't get me wrong, I think that this could have worked, but because it was that well established and the rest of the movie didn't deal with it that well either, this funeral scene just doesn't carry any emotion for me.

Am I wrong? Is Hugo's treatment of Papa Georges less satisfying than Guardians's treatment of Yondu?

What do you think?

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
Annihilation
Game Night
Every Day

Next in my Netflix Queue:
Leon Morin, Priest

Movies I Saw This Week:
The Bourne Supremacy (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) [Rewatch] Poster blurb: "Hot damn, that car chase." [Personal Collection]
3000 Miles to Graceland (Netflix Rating 2/5 | Quality Rating 1/4) "One of the most miserable "fun" movie experiences I've ever had." [Netflix Instant]
The Phantom of the Opera (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) "Good classic silent horror exemplifying Cheney's commitment to great monster makeup." [Amazon Prime]
Iron Sky (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2/4) "Exists on a border between pure silly B-movie and biting satire, but the satire falls so flat that it's hard not to hold it against the movie." [Amazon Prime]
Winter's Bone (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) "Spare little thriller that's very effective and involving." [Netflix DVD]
Napoleon (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) "I admire its breadth of storytelling and the sheer audacity and skill of its filmmaking. At the end of the 6 hours, you know you've seen something consequential, not just in length but in terms of film history as well." ["Library"]
The Iron Mask (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) "An absolutely wonderful example of silent action filmmaking. Big, brash, and completely earnest. Charming from beginning to end." [Amazon Prime]

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Posted by: OregonMuse at 06:47 PM

Comments

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1 Umm

Posted by: weirdflunky at February 24, 2018 06:41 PM (12Ea6)

2 Silver medal!

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 06:42 PM (EzdLW)

3 Is this the chess thread?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2018 06:44 PM (9SkN+)

4 Off to see Black Panther...

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at February 24, 2018 06:45 PM (di1hb)

5 Hm.
Well...I didn't like Hugo.
But was entertained by GOTG 2.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 06:46 PM (xJa6I)

6 3 Is this the chess thread?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2018 06:44 PM (9SkN+)

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Not nearly as good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 06:46 PM (r2/qu)

7 Don't think I have seen 1 of these movies

Posted by: Skip at February 24, 2018 06:47 PM (aC6Sd)

8 For those of you with long memories, in my first post I called all movies lies. Movies are about manipulation in order to get you emotionally involved with people who never existed during events that never took place. Any emotion you do end up feeling is a manipulation of sight and sound to get you to feel that way.

Holy shit. I think you just figured out why Hollywood is a magnet for leftist idiots.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 06:48 PM (/qEW2)

9 'Terror' is coming out. The book is kinda scary, if you are the type scares, but a pretty good read if you like fantastic stuff. Thing is, Terror is the name of the ship, not the monster. Doubt I'll see the movie in the theater.

Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (zLDYs)

10 Darn it, you're going to make me buy the Amazon Firestick just to watch the silent movies!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (gwPgz)

11 Not nearly as good.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 06:46 PM (r2/qu)

Heh. I really enjoy your movie threads, TJM, but I haven't spent enough sober time on Yondu to understand it. Guess I'll have to, you know, read the post.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (9SkN+)

12 Anyone see 1517 to Paris?

Posted by: The Gimp at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (JlSFP)

13 I have a question. After my tour of Corregidor I'm wondering about movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. I think I've mostly seen movies about the war in Europe.
I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.
Recommendations?

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)

14 My Favorite Year is on TCM as I write.

Peter O'Toole channels Erroll Flynn in the early days of TV. Great comedy.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (pV/54)

15 10 Darn it, you're going to make me buy the Amazon Firestick just to watch the silent movies!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (gwPgz)

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There are so many. A bunch on YouTube as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 06:51 PM (r2/qu)

16 Support Hollywood leftists!

Posted by: Ha at February 24, 2018 06:51 PM (MAstk)

17 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 06:46 PM (xJa6I)
Went to see Hugo a long long time ago with Mrs H, the time spent with her, I regret not in the least, the time I spent watching Hugo, I still think I could have spent that time better at the beach!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 06:52 PM (gwPgz)

18 13 I have a question. After my tour of Corregidor I'm wondering about movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. I think I've mostly seen movies about the war in Europe.
I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.
Recommendations?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)

=======

The Thin Red Line! By Malick, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 06:52 PM (r2/qu)

19 And part of why Hugo didn't work for me but Guardians 2 did actually ties into the two scenes you list.

Now I did see, and love GOTG, so I had some association with Yondu before this. But the Yondu of the first movie isn't really the Yondu of the second. Largely because the second movie asks you to recontextualize him from the first movie.

So, we see Yondu in a brothel, run by sexbots that...turn themselves off rather than interact with him. He's surrounded by celebrating idiots, his crew (most of whom betray him). He feels isolated and lonely and that's before he gets kicked out of the ravagers. Youndu is showing us guilt that he doesn't show in the first movie and doesn't show in the first half of this movie.

But Hugo, despite less use of CGI felt more artificial. It feels stilted, it feels like I'm being told something rather than shown it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 06:52 PM (xJa6I)

20 I havent seen Guardians II, but Michael Rooker is such a good actor, it seems to me he almost overcomes the weakness that TJM is discussing. The music might be off, but his anger's obvious. And then, if not sadness, he does a good job expressing something like loss.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 06:53 PM (EzdLW)

21 What's on Svengoolie tonight?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 06:54 PM (+Tibp)

22 Scorsese should stick to mobsters and heresy.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 06:55 PM (EzdLW)

23 I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.
Recommendations?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)

The Pacific from HBO and the same team who did Band of Brothers is decent. Very different feel from BoB because it's focused more on two particular Marines than a whole company of soldiers, but very much worth watching (even if I prefer BoB).

It's available on AMZN prime.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 06:55 PM (y87Qq)

24 In looking at "Guardians of the Galaxy Volume II" I cannot decide if it's bad writing, bad editing or bad directing.

It could very well be the writers did a good job of developing the back story but the director decided it was unnecessary. Or, the story existed but was left on the cutting room floor.

It also could be that modern studios have decided that character development is secondary, at best, to stringing together a bunch of flash because modern audiences don't really care if the story hangs together.

More than likely, though, I'm just a curmudgeon who thinks most modern movie makers should get off my lawn, because I believe people with ADHD have better focus than a lot of modern movies.

Posted by: Blake at February 24, 2018 06:56 PM (WEBkv)

25 The Pacific from HBO and the same team who did Band of Brothers is decent. Very different feel from BoB because it's focused more on two particular Marines than a whole company of soldiers, but very much worth watching (even if I prefer BoB).

It's available on AMZN prime.
Posted by: hogmartin

I enjoyed Generation Kill much more.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 06:56 PM (+Tibp)

26 WWII Pacific. Different but I love it.

Heaven Knows Mr Allison.

Shipwrecked Marine Robert Mitchum lands on island where the only survivor of a missionary is nun Deborah Kerr. Then the Japs arrive.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 06:57 PM (pV/54)

27 Finally watched The Finest Hour on Netflix (it's dropping off in March). I liked it . Had a Perfect Storm vibe.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 06:58 PM (+Tibp)

28 13 I have a question. After my tour of Corregidor I'm wondering about movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. I think I've mostly seen movies about the war in Europe.
I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.
Recommendations?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)

Guadacanal Diary
With the Marines at Tarawa
The Battle of Midway by John Ford
Back to Bataan with John Wayne
They Were Expendable
The Sands of Iwo Jima
The Fighting Seabees
The Flying Leathernecks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 06:58 PM (xJa6I)

29 I thought Hugo was a pretty good movie, but, as happens so often, doesn't do the book justice. Sacha Baron Cohen was a huge distraction.

As far as Hugo v. GotG2 (which I really enjoyed) I'm having a hard time trying to analyze the movies together since they are so different. That said, I'd venture that Hugo's treatment of Papa Georges was more moving - perhaps because he was there to receive the accolades. Both worked in their own way, though.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at February 24, 2018 06:58 PM (akSgU)

30 3000 Miles to Graceland, for me, was one of those movies that at first glance looks like it might be pretty cool. Then it turns out to not be as good as you'd thought it would.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 06:59 PM (EzdLW)

31 Svengoolie movie tonite is "Terror From The Sky."

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 24, 2018 07:00 PM (KP5rU)

32 And John Wick still delivers.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 07:00 PM (+Tibp)

33 Is this the chess thread?

Posted by: Cicero

(shrugs shoulder)

Sure

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (B4vfZ)

34 Ah. MOO - vees.

They still making those?

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (x25VP)

35 I enjoyed Generation Kill much more.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 06:56 PM (+Tibp)

War movie?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (70cRb)

36 Movies are about manipulation in order to get you emotionally
involved with people who never existed during events that never took
place.

Not always.

Any emotion you do end up feeling is a manipulation of sight and
sound to get you to feel that way.

When it works, it works.

Posted by: Leni R. at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (LAe3v)

37 I have a question. After my tour of Corregidor I'm wondering about movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. I think I've mostly seen movies about the war in Europe.
I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.
Recommendations?

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)

Sands of Iwo Jima with John Wayne. It was on the other night. I forgot how much actual footage they used in the movie for the battle scenes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (SiINZ)

38 NorthernLurker/Teem- While you are in P.I. perhaps you would like reading Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson. A real cypher.

Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (zLDYs)

39 Wasn't a fan of 3000 Miles to Graceland, despite the mighty Kurt Russell.

Really disliked Kevin Costner's character and disliked how long and how often he was successful in the movie.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:02 PM (xJa6I)

40 And John Wick still delivers.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 07:00 PM (+Tibp)

Agreed. However, if that pos JW2 had been the first movie, there would not have been a sequel. I think JW2 killed the franchise.

Posted by: weirdflunky at February 24, 2018 07:02 PM (12Ea6)

41 Iron Sky's tagline: "The Reich Strikes Back"

I gather it's a comedy, a spoof, but that's still pretty damn tasteless.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:02 PM (EzdLW)

42 War movie?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

Series on Amazon about invasion of Iraq. I rate it five thumbs up. Way up. But I'm shallow.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 07:03 PM (+Tibp)

43 Recommendations?

...

Read a book.

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:03 PM (x25VP)

44
Empire of the Sun
The Great Raid
Flags of Our Fathers
Sands of Iwo Jima
Hacksaw Ridge

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 24, 2018 07:03 PM (pNxlR)

45 There's a difference between Georges and Yondu as characters; Georges has been brought down low by his own naivety, whereas Yondu has been brought down by his own bad decisions. It's easier to be sympathetic to Georges so we probably respond to him more.

As for manipulating emotions, the movie that takes the cake in this realm is "ET" and I've never liked the film because of it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 24, 2018 07:04 PM (l9m7l)

46 The Thin Red Line! By Malick, of course.

Read the book, by James Jones

my favorite author

Ooops wrong thread

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:04 PM (B4vfZ)

47 The Thin Red Line! By Malick, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone

I did not care for the movie. It was far to self-conscious and was trying to hard to be profound. TBH, I think that's true of everything James Jones wrote. From Here to Eternity was one of the most overpraised bits of self-indulgence I've ever read.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2018 07:04 PM (LAe3v)

48
The other night a discussion about the new Lost in Space TV show got started and Parker Posey will be the new Dr. Smith (sounds awful) but she made a number of good (at least I liked them) indie movies in the 90s. One was called Amateur by Hal Hartley from 1994. It starts with a man with amnesia and you feel very sorry for him and as the movie progresses you start to learn about him. It also has a nymphomaniac virgin in it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 07:05 PM (SiINZ)

49 35 I enjoyed Generation Kill much more.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 06:56 PM (+Tibp)

War movie?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (70cRb)

++++

HBO mini-series about the invasion of Iraq. Excellent series, but nothing to do with the war in the Pacific during WWII.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2018 07:06 PM (pvjTE)

50
Run Silent Run Deep
Wake Island

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 24, 2018 07:06 PM (pNxlR)

51 The other night a discussion about the new Lost in Space TV show got started and Parker Posey will be the new Dr. Smith
...

The hell she will.

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:06 PM (x25VP)

52 Recommendations?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)

Wake Island....made in 1942 right after the battle.

They add some humor to make it fun in the beginning where the Marines are goofing off and get in a fight with the contractor who is there to build the airstrip but the story is straight up.

See how many 1903's you see and tell if they are 1903's or 1903A3's......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 07:07 PM (EoRCO)

53 130 My Favorite Year is on TCM at 6pE.

Peter O'Toole channels Erroll Flynn in the early days of TV. Great comedy.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 05:32 PM (pV/54)

From last thread but, thank you Ig.

This is such a good movie.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:07 PM (xJa6I)

54 NorthernLurker/Teem- While you are in P.I. perhaps you would like reading Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson. A real cypher.

Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (zLDYs)

Funny story there, I loaned my copy of Cryptonomicon to a reading buddy and he refused to give it back he liked it so much. He did buy me a brand new replacement copy though so I forgave him.

It is one of the few books I have reread at least three times. Peak Stephenson!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:07 PM (gwPgz)

55
The Thin Red Line (1964) with Keir Dullea and Jack Warden

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 24, 2018 07:08 PM (pNxlR)

56 My Favorite Year is on TCM at 6pE.

Peter O'Toole channels Erroll Flynn in the early days of TV. Great comedy.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 05:32 PM (pV/54)

It's a very funny movie and O'Toole is at the top of his game in it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 07:08 PM (SiINZ)

57 Ignore the IJN biplanes in Wake Island.

Otherwise, pretty good. The Marines did well there, and the surrender was a tad too soon.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2018 07:09 PM (hyuyC)

58
hile you are in P.I. perhaps you would like reading Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson. A real cypher.
Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM

Now there's a book I wish would be filmed. No, not a movie, a series like Game of Thrones. IIRC, Neal Stephenson himself suggested that would be the appropriate format.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:10 PM (EzdLW)

59 54 NorthernLurker/Teem- While you are in P.I. perhaps you would like reading Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson. A real cypher.

Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:01 PM (zLDYs)

Funny story there, I loaned my copy of Cryptonomicon to a reading buddy and he refused to give it back he liked it so much. He did buy me a brand new replacement copy though so I forgave him.

It is one of the few books I have reread at least three times. Peak Stephenson!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:07 PM (gwPgz)

Agreed.

I think The Diamond Age is more prescient but Crypto is his best writing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:10 PM (xJa6I)

60 HBO mini-series about the invasion of Iraq. Excellent series, but nothing to do with the war in the Pacific during WWII.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2018 07:06 PM (pvjTE)

Sounds geat. I'm in.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 24, 2018 07:11 PM (70cRb)

61 "The Diary of Andy Frank" starring Adam Rippon as Andy, a flaming homosexual persecuted by Nazis ( in the bad way not the 'good' way).

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:11 PM (x25VP)

62 Flags of Our Fathers

Read THAT book too.

And keep a handkerchief handy

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:11 PM (B4vfZ)

63
The other night a discussion about the new Lost in Space TV show got started and Parker Posey will be the new Dr. Smith

Seriously?

Oh, the pain.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:12 PM (EzdLW)

64 All I know is this ... Jimmy Stewart is a bitch in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance ... and anybody that thinks different is a RepubCuckLican.

So ? How's things ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 24, 2018 07:12 PM (fiGNd)

65 This was one of the issues I had with a zombie flick I saw recently: Maggie. It's a low budget indie flick ($1.5m budget, $1.3m boxoffice) whose claim to fame is that Schwarzenegger played the lead as a grief stricken father witnessing his daughter's decline after she is infected.

Actually the movie itself was pretty good, but I think it could have benefitted with giving a background of the relationship before trying to pressure us into feeling Ahnuld's emotions in various scenes.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 07:12 PM (/qEW2)

66 The ending of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was an incredibly powerful moment for me, as it follows a very heartfelt eulogy by Peter Quill (which was not shown here). Probably the most moving sequence I have ever felt watching a comic book movie adaptation. I'll admit I cried. The music really plays a role in affecting our emotions in the film.

Posted by: Max Power at February 24, 2018 07:12 PM (q177U)

67 Still no checkers? Maybe a thread about the Checker Cab. Wheat Chex? Help me out here.

Posted by: PhilDirt at February 24, 2018 07:13 PM (mFD3N)

68 I'd like to see Snow Crash filmed. The Diamond Age hits a little too close to home.

And I do not need a page on eating cereal like in Cryptonomicon. Bad Neil Stephenson, bad.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2018 07:14 PM (hyuyC)

69 Guardians of the Galaxy was written and directed by the same person BTW.

Posted by: Max Power at February 24, 2018 07:14 PM (q177U)

70 Maybe not exactly a war movie but Stalag 17 is a great movie.

Posted by: X-ray at February 24, 2018 07:14 PM (4fiCC)

71 "I'm not an actor, I'm a movie star!"

Peter O'Toole channeling Erroll Flynn.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:14 PM (pV/54)

72 I'm wondering about movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. ...
Recommendations?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)

In Harm's Way starring John Wayne. It is a pretty decent adaptation of the book by James Bassett. Some of characters are pretty unpleasant and many do not survive. I'm pretty sure he based characters on people he served with in the Pacific during the war.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 07:14 PM (5Yee7)

73 Winter's Bone (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) "Spare little thriller that's very effective and involving." [Netflix DVD]

Jennifer Lawrence is actually very good in this movie, made early on in her career before some sort of brain trauma turned her into a drooling idiot.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Global Rethinker at February 24, 2018 07:16 PM (lYlRK)

74 Recommendation: 'The Legend of 1900.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 24, 2018 07:16 PM (oVJmc)

75 "Bewitched" - this hilarious reboot stars a vegan Wiccan transpersyn who marries a confused but idiotic WHITE MALE (hahaha- nazi) and casts spells that make Derrin ignore the obvious bulge in xis thong panties!

Hilarious.

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:16 PM (x25VP)

76
Victory at Sea

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 24, 2018 07:17 PM (pNxlR)

77 Was just watching a bit of "My Favorite Year" on TCM, story of a young writer shepherding an aging, alcoholic star around New York. It's kind of funny, kind of touching; what makes it interesting is knowing that its a fictionalized version of the time a very young Mel Brooks met an aging and besotted Erol Flynn. And the tyrannical manic boss who screams at him every time he sees him is a pretty obvious caricature of Sid Cesar.

I suppose I like it because I like Peter O'Toole in just about anything he's done.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 07:17 PM (V2Yro)

78
Any emotion you do end up feeling is a manipulation of sight and sound to get you to feel that way.

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Steven Spielburg at February 24, 2018 07:18 PM (EzdLW)

79 Hrothgar, I too have read Cryptonomicon 3 times, loaned it out twice and not got it back. One of my favorites, I'm not loaning this one. Aspergers, lost fortune in gold, WW II, slimy lawyers, and a lady diver who would slit your throat. What's not to like?

Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:18 PM (zLDYs)

80
OT: Handsome Dan was a Hound Group 2 today at the San Jacinto KC show for his first group placement. He also placed third in the Owner-Handled Hound Group.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 24, 2018 07:18 PM (AaZnB)

81 Remde by Stephenson would be a great movie. Ready Player One for grown ups.

Posted by: Max Power at February 24, 2018 07:18 PM (q177U)

82 73 Winter's Bone (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) "Spare little thriller that's very effective and involving." [Netflix DVD]

Jennifer Lawrence is actually very good in this movie, made early on in her career before some sort of brain trauma turned her into a drooling idiot.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Global Rethinker at February 24, 2018 07:16 PM (lYlRK)

This.

Avoid all her other stuff, but she's solid in this.

I used to think it was a shame she went Hollywood, but she's an asshole.

Fuck her with a broken dick.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:19 PM (xJa6I)

83 O'Toole got an Oscar nod for MFY, one of eight. He never won.

First up was for Lawrence. He lost to Gregory Peck in Mockingbird, a movie that couldn't get made today.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (pV/54)

84 and Parker Posey will be the new Dr. Smith
...

The hell she will.

Posted by: skip

Parker Posey is a dame ?

huh.

But parking was always such a manly activity.

Women !

Can't live with 'em, can't park without 'em.

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (B4vfZ)

85 Not a war movie, but loved Peter O'Toole in The Ruling Class.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (nWc4E)

86 Winter's Bone (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) "Spare little thriller that's very effective and involving." [Netflix DVD]

The Paolo, he provides the bone any season.

Posted by: The Paolo at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (ANIFC)

87 86 Winter's Bone (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) "Spare little thriller that's very effective and involving." [Netflix DVD]

The Paolo, he provides the bone any season.
Posted by: The Paolo at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (ANIFC)

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A duty or a service?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:22 PM (hIO5j)

88 Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2018 07:14 PM (hyuyC)

Zodiac would have been a good movie as well, and perhaps REAMDE..

Cryptonomicon worked for me because I was working with people like that at the time I read it.

My copy of SevenEves lies unopened

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:22 PM (gwPgz)

89 Hugo was a fantastic book, a quick read and beloved by my kids. I liked the movie, the hidden passages in the station and the link to early cinema, but felt it was badly in need of an edit.

Hugo is the object of emotion as far as I'm concerned. When the toyseller screams 'thief' at Hugo, the toyseller lands on the enemy side of the ledger. only because of his grand-daughter's kindness to Hugo is he allowed to tell his story, and then redeemed.

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 07:22 PM (xGMkv)

90 OM.. that was her first movie. My son had seen and he kept begging me to watch it. She was outstanding in it. I kept hoping she wouldn't turn into another leftist tool, but alas, Hollywood did their job well.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 24, 2018 07:23 PM (dUJdY)

91 "Jane Wwick" - a former Recon Marine/Delta Force womyn gets caught up the Russian mob, falls in love with a dog and avenges her canine-lover's death by killing all the white people.

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:23 PM (x25VP)

92 Remde by Stephenson would be a great movie. Ready Player One for grown ups.

Posted by: Max Power at February 24, 2018 07:18 PM (q177U)

88

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:23 PM (gwPgz)

93 13
I have a question. After my tour of Corregidor I'm wondering about
movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. I think I've mostly seen
movies about the war in Europe.

I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.

Recommendations?

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 06:50 PM (5fRCd)
--------Hell in the Pacific...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063056/?ref_=nv_sr_7

Posted by: davidt at February 24, 2018 07:24 PM (djCea)

94 A duty or a service?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:22 PM

For the Paolo, it is a way of life.

Posted by: Paolo at February 24, 2018 07:24 PM (0dBoU)

95 83 O'Toole got an Oscar nod for MFY, one of eight. He never won.

First up was for Lawrence. He lost to Gregory Peck in Mockingbird, a movie that couldn't get made today.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (pV/54)

Neither of the could.

They've banned To Kill a Mockingbird in Minnesota.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)

96 I'm going to explain to everyone what I see in the combination of District of Columbia vs Heller and 18 U.S. Code 242. In 1947 the situation for blacks in the south looked utterly hopeless - the Jim Crow laws were everywhere, and the southern legal system enforced those laws. There simply was no way out because the truth is - you can't fight city hall. Nobody had the money or enough lawyers to fight even one of those laws all the way to the supreme court.

However after the passage of 18 U.S. Code 242 in 1948 all of those Jim Crow laws became dead letter unenforceable laws. Why? Because passage of that federal law made it a federal felony to deprive anyone of any Constitutional rights. That meant police officers, prosecutors, and judges in the south would not only go to federal prison for that - they could face a death penalty for simply using the implied threat of a gun to falsely arrest somebody ( a false arrest is a kidnapping ) in the process of depriving that person of his rights. All of the Jim Crow laws vanished overnight.

The nightmare tangle of "Jim Crow" style gun control laws all over the country looks equally as hopeless as the situation for blacks looked in 1947. However all it takes is ONE federal prosecutor anywhere in the country to do his job and apply the Heller ruling that the second amendment is an individual right, and simply threaten to apply 18 U.S. Code 242 to a single gun control law and all of the gun control laws in the country will instantly become dead letter unenforceable laws and disappear - just like the rest of the Jim Crow laws instantly vanished in 1948.

Posted by: An Observation at February 24, 2018 07:25 PM (lkOCI)

97 For those who saw Winter's Bone --

How does it portray Ozarkians? Deplorable rednecks? Or with some realistic sympathy.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:25 PM (EzdLW)

98 He lost to Gregory Peck in [To Kill a] Mockingbird, a movie that couldn't get made today.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (pV/54)

Ironically, a major plot point was a white attorney defending a black man charged with raping a white woman and that attorney exposing the racism of the accuser.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 07:26 PM (5Yee7)

99 97 For those who saw Winter's Bone --

How does it portray Ozarkians? Deplorable rednecks? Or with some realistic sympathy.
Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:25 PM (EzdLW)

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Like people trapped with little choice in how to get out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:26 PM (hIO5j)

100 Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:18 PM (zLDYs)

AND computer nerds.

BTW, I made the mistake of loaning out my copy of "In the Beginning...Was the Command Line" (which was never returned) and regret it to this day!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:26 PM (gwPgz)

101 98
Ironically, a major plot point was a white attorney defending a black man charged with raping a white woman and that attorney exposing the racism of the accuser.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 07:26 PM (5Yee7)

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Believe all women.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (hIO5j)

102 This is the main reason I won't watch movies. I will not allow my emotions to be manipulated. Not any more. I will not be tricked or gaslighted. Not any more.

Posted by: grammie winger - at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (lwiT4)

103 97 For those who saw Winter's Bone --

How does it portray Ozarkians? Deplorable rednecks? Or with some realistic sympathy.
Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:25 PM (EzdLW)

Hm.

Both?

It's about a hard, hard family that -among other things- cooks a lot of meth.

But it shows the bonds of family, their toughness too.

I'm a filthy Scandi but I didn't think it was bad. Reminded me of folks I knew growing up and met later in life.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (xJa6I)

104 Pacific movies?

'Mister Roberts' is set in the Pacific, though there's no combat, as the ship that the movie takes place on is a supply transport.

Tora Tora Tora!

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (VAt5v)

105 They've banned To Kill a Mockingbird in Minnesota.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)

Too bad we can't ban Minnesota.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 07:28 PM (EoRCO)

106 97 For those who saw Winter's Bone --

How does it portray Ozarkians? Deplorable rednecks? Or with some realistic sympathy.
Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:25 PM (EzdLW)

Yes.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 07:28 PM (NWiLs)

107 Not so sure To Kill a Mockingbird couldn't be made today, think of all the Leftist bend that could be put in that, it might not even be recognized as a remade.

Posted by: Skip at February 24, 2018 07:29 PM (aC6Sd)

108 102 This is the main reason I won't watch movies. I will not allow my emotions to be manipulated. Not any more. I will not be tricked or gaslighted. Not any more.
Posted by: grammie winger - at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (lwiT4)

I think it's ok to get enchanted, so long as you know what the enchantment is, going in.

It's the sucker punches I hate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:29 PM (xJa6I)

109 In Harm's Way starring John Wayne. It is a pretty decent adaptation of the book by James Bassett.

ANOTHER good book !

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:29 PM (B4vfZ)

110 108
I think it's ok to get enchanted, so long as you know what the enchantment is, going in.

It's the sucker punches I hate.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:29 PM (xJa6I)

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I just feel that Yondu's Raveger stuff is an attempt at a sticker punch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:30 PM (hIO5j)

111 Pacific War movies - Tora, Tora, Tora is a far better portrayal of the Pearl Harbor attack than the later "Pearl Harbor" with all of the angsty "human interest" stories they stuck in to pad the movie out.

I think "Tora, Tora, Tora" is one of my favorite battle movies, because it sticks to strictly telling the story of the actual battle and doesn't junk it up with a whole lot of non-essential stuff.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 07:31 PM (V2Yro)

112 102 This is the main reason I won't watch movies. I will not allow my emotions to be manipulated. Not any more. I will not be tricked or gaslighted. Not any more.
Posted by: grammie winger - at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (lwiT4)

Grammie !!! Go watch The Outlaw Josie Wales !!!

It's the Feel-Good Movie of the season. Trust me. You'l love it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 24, 2018 07:31 PM (fiGNd)

113 I enjoyed Iron Sky entirely too much.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 24, 2018 07:31 PM (rnAwa)

114 My copy of SevenEves lies unopened

Of course.

You're outnumbered.

Even with your glasses on.

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:32 PM (B4vfZ)

115 "what do you think?"

i didn't like "e.t." because it was just soooo manipulative. spielberg tends to do that in collusion with john williams. but williams, answering that charge, has denied his scores are manipulative.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 07:32 PM (Pg+x7)

116 Speaking of Sid Caesar... some things never change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpn4_QeS7w8

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (/qEW2)

117 So Proudly We Hail - WWII Pacific theatre movie

Posted by: kallisto at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (VyOxI)

118 Grammie !!! Go watch The Outlaw Josie Wales !!!
It's the Feel-Good Movie of the season. Trust me. You'l love it.

And remember, Endeavor to Persevere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (V2Yro)

119 TheJamesMadison's Phone

Just as an aside, but I'd like to thank you for the effort and love you put into this thread. It has become one of my must read blog posts along with the Pet Thread, and the Book Thread, even though I hate all Hollywood scum with the heat of a thousand suns!.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (gwPgz)

120 I think it's ok to get enchanted, so long as you know what the enchantment is, going in.

It's the sucker punches I hate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:29 PM (xJa6I)

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I can watch live sports events, such as my beloved Cubbies. I'm familiar with the heartache so I take that into account. Seriously, I really just stick to live sports.

Posted by: grammie winger - at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (lwiT4)

121 110 108
I think it's ok to get enchanted, so long as you know what the enchantment is, going in.

It's the sucker punches I hate.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:29 PM (xJa6I)

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I just feel that Yondu's Raveger stuff is an attempt at a sticker punch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:30 PM (hIO5j)

Well, it does take Yondu in a different direction than what we saw in the first movie. The only real sign we saw of his affection for Peter Quill was that last scene when he smiles after being scammed by the mcguffin switcharoo.

But it didn't soften Yondu. He did terrible things, delivering children to their nearly-certain death. His guilt over that was handled pretty well, I thought. Especially in a movie that's basically a comedy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (xJa6I)

122 73 winter's bone worked for J-Law because she doesn't have to move her face very much. She always plays these impassive characters. A big meh.

Posted by: vivi at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (11H2y)

123 I think Winters Bone portrayed the people in the Ozarks pretty decently. I mean they aren't saints.. they cook meth but at least they didn't show them as some sort of missing link of mankind who just drool and grunt.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 24, 2018 07:34 PM (dUJdY)

124 The film montage in the last Hugo clip above is enchanting, Grammie! The old films the real character made are magical.

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 07:34 PM (xGMkv)

125 i didn't like "e.t." because it was just soooo manipulative. spielberg tends to do that in collusion with john williams. but williams, answering that charge, has denied his scores are manipulative.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 07:32 PM (Pg+x7)

I didn't like E.T. because it was retarded.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 24, 2018 07:34 PM (8gDQu)

126 And remember, Endeavor to Persevere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (V2Yro)

Good advice from a character that knew how to live!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:34 PM (gwPgz)

127 Can't believe I've never seen "A Trip To The Moon" before, although I'd heard about it. Cool.

Now I know why one of my conspiracy-theory friends doesn't believe the moon landing was real ...

Posted by: ShainS at February 24, 2018 07:34 PM (BiLU+)

128 I understand a lot of people here don't want to endorse current Hollywood product, and I understand that completely, but I just saw three movies this week that got me in the movie-spirit again. "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri" is a real gem, and Frances McDormand gives one of the best performances of her brilliant career. "The Darkest Hour" is a tightly-scripted glimpse of the great Winston Churchill, brought to incredible life by Gary Oldman, one of the finest actors of all-time. And then, last night, the wife and I watched "Only The Brave" about the heroic firefighters of the Western Fire Front -- we both forgot it was a true story, and snickered a little at the "Top Gun"-esque machismo in the early going, including a little shirtless sports. By the end, we were both weeping like a couple of little bitches. And then they played the credits over a touching song, with the photos of the real guys interchanged for the actors who portrayed them in the movie. Help!

Movies can pack a very powerful punch, and we have been movie fans since our earliest dating days, when we had almost nowhere else to go besides the bar. We used to go to EVERY movie, back in 1981-82. Even the karate ones.

Posted by: Octopus at February 24, 2018 07:34 PM (TjN6o)

129 Operation Petticoat - Cary Grant is awesome and Leslie Caron delicious.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 24, 2018 07:35 PM (MCpv7)

130 TheJamesMadison's Phone

Just as an aside, but I'd like to thank you for the effort and love you put into this thread. It has become one of my must read blog posts along with the Pet Thread, and the Book Thread, even though I hate all Hollywood scum with the heat of a thousand suns!.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (gwPgz)

Ditto that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at February 24, 2018 07:35 PM (IMacf)

131 130 TheJamesMadison's Phone

Just as an aside, but I'd like to thank you for the effort and love you put into this thread. It has become one of my must read blog posts along with the Pet Thread, and the Book Thread, even though I hate all Hollywood scum with the heat of a thousand suns!.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (gwPgz)

Ditto that.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at February 24, 2018 07:35 PM (IMacf)

Thirded.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:36 PM (xJa6I)

132 While not a movie, the old multi-part documentary Victory at Sea is good and the much of the musical score is inspired.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 07:36 PM (5Yee7)

133 "The Black Cauldron" or a Hitchcock? I already watched an animated movie last night (Batman: Gotham by Gaslight), but TBC expires at the end of the month.

Posted by: josephistan at February 24, 2018 07:36 PM (ANIFC)

134 They've banned To Kill a Mockingbird in Minnesota.

But did they ban mockingbirds ?

NOOOOOOOooooooooo!

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:36 PM (B4vfZ)

135 Octopus.. that's what I told my son after we had seen 3 Billboards. THAT movie made me fall in love with movies again. Absolutely brilliant and Frances McDormand was outstanding as well as Sam Rockwell. Just great movie making.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 24, 2018 07:37 PM (dUJdY)

136

Woof!

Posted by: Checkers at February 24, 2018 07:37 PM (IqV8l)

137 "ET" was a great movie. Stop being so crusty and curmudgeonly, and let the feelz happen.

Posted by: Octopus at February 24, 2018 07:37 PM (TjN6o)

138 I liked Winter's Bone well enough, but the commentary track was amazing. The leftist director went out filming and got her worldview knocked off the foundation. Everything from the poor whites whose homes she used as settings to talking to the military recruiter at the high school - she admitted how shallow her stereotypes were.

But the book was better, and I've recommended it to half a dozen people who don't know what generational poverty looks like. It reminds me of kids I grew up with and how an adult's stupid decision could leave a teenager holding the bag.

Guardians of the Galaxy was the last comicbook movie I saw until Wonder Woman, and I don't think I'll bother with others.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 24, 2018 07:37 PM (G8B7r)

139 This theme gave me a great idea for the evening. Extracting insanity emotions.

- Prince of Darkness
- In The Mouth of Madness
- Dark City

Cant decide if I should start with Dark City as a warm of or end with it as a cool down? Also extra caffeine because reasons.

Posted by: Monk at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (g4lFK)

140 97 For those who saw Winter's Bone --

How does it portray Ozarkians? Deplorable rednecks? Or with some realistic sympathy.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:25 PM (EzdLW)

++++

It showed a small slice of life in the Ozarks, and the story was connected to the meth business. So, since those in the meth business aren't exactly Rhodes scholars, the characters weren't either.

It really wasn't too bad as far as stereotypes go. More like the people who were lowlifes were lowlifes because of their drug and criminal behavior, not because they lived in the Ozarks.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (pvjTE)

141 Watching Unforgiven right now. I've only seen it a couple of times. I like it though.

Also just finished reading Cold Mountain. Is the movie any good? Cuz the book was really good.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (IMacf)

142 I loved the book Up Periscope as a kid and I thought the James Garner movie was a fair representation. Can't imagine being in a sub in those days.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (MCpv7)

143 While not a movie, the old multi-part documentary Victory at Sea is good and the much of the musical score is inspired.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 07:36 PM (5Yee7)

My father liked that show, but had to leave the room every once in a while when it was on!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (gwPgz)

144 Guardians of the Galaxy was the last comicbook movie I saw until Wonder Woman, and I don't think I'll bother with others.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 24, 2018 07:37 PM (G8B7r)

Well, you picked two good ones.

I'd suggest you add Captain America 2: Winter Soldier to the list.

It works as a movie, not just as a comic book movie, I think.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (xJa6I)

145 GOTG2 fell flat completely emotionally. The supposed "love story" between Starlord and Green Girl was just unbelievable.

Posted by: MAGA at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (LnOh3)

146 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri us my favorite of the year. Great ensemble, great script.

Martin McDonough also wrote and directed In Bruges, one of the best flicks of the last ten years. His scripts have Catholic religious themes.

The SJWs jumped on 3 Billboards because they didn't like that the racist cop has a redemption arc.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (pV/54)

147 The movie Galaxy Quest, in the middle of being a lot of fun and a great sendup of Star Trek, had a tremendously thoughtful and powerful theme that kind of skates by. And its related to your themes here.

Movies are lies. They are deliberate fiction, meant to entertain, certainly, but none of it is true. Its all deliberate falsehood designed to manipulate the audience. Make you laugh, make you thrill, make you cry, make you care, etc.

For a race of beings totally committed to truth and without any concept of falsehood, movies and television were a horrible betrayal. And it brings up something about the very soul of acting and even fiction: you are lying for a living. At some point, does that affect you? Or me? When I write a novel that's a batch of made up stuff, is that a small crime, a petite sin? Have I lied to everyone?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (39g3+)

148 i didn't like "e.t." because it was just soooo manipulative. spielberg tends to do that in collusion with john williams. but williams, answering that charge, has denied his scores are manipulative.

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I'm going to see John Williams conduct the Philadelphia Orchestra in April.

Posted by: josephistan at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (ANIFC)

149
Operation Petticoat - Cary Grant is awesome and Leslie Caron delicious.
Posted by: rammajamma

You are combining Operation Petticoat and Father Goose.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (IqV8l)

150 125... primordial... "i didn;t like e.t. because it was retarded"...

i hated the e.t. alien because it was preposterous. it couldn't hold its head up on that neck and couldn't possible walk with those little legs.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (Pg+x7)

151 Also just finished reading Cold Mountain. Is the movie any good? Cuz the book was really good.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (IMacf)

In my humble opinion, it is hard to beat that book, but if you liked the book the movie is well worth the time to watch!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:40 PM (gwPgz)

152 Operation Petticoat - Cary Grant is awesome and Leslie Caron delicious.

Leslie Caron isn't in OP.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 24, 2018 07:40 PM (oVJmc)

153 seveneves is an excellent read
There is a female politician Hillaryesque
in fact seveneves is probably her dream come true

Posted by: vizzy at February 24, 2018 07:40 PM (s5Khz)

154 'Mister Roberts' is set in the Pacific, though there's no combat, as the ship that the movie takes place on is a supply transport.

Tora Tora Tora!

Posted by: junior

My late father always like "Mr. Roberts" because the Cagney character reminded him of his commanding officer in WWII. He was a 90 day wonder, as they called them, a really obnoxious person, I guess. Cagney played an old Merchant Marine officer, who got a Navy commission.
WWII, the Good War. No, it wasn't. It was a mess of carnage and terror. And a lot of crap that just happened to people that was unnecessary.

"In Harm's Way": there's a brief scene where the meteorologist is giving a forecast prior to the start of the campaign. My HS Chemistry teacher was a Meteorologist in the Navy in WWII, and I swear that character was based on him. The guy looks like my chemistry teacher's brother.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 24, 2018 07:40 PM (S6Pax)

155
You are combining Operation Petticoat and Father Goose.

Father Petticoat.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 24, 2018 07:40 PM (LATmp)

156 You are combining Operation Petticoat and Father Goose.

Operation Father Goosed the Petticoat ?

Posted by: JT at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (B4vfZ)

157 In my humble opinion, it is hard to beat that book, but if you liked the book the movie is well worth the time to watch!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:40 PM (gwPgz)

Will do. Gracias.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (IMacf)

158 Pacific War movies? Try Midway. One of the best.

Posted by: Exile at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (Fikbq)

159 13 I have a question. After my tour of Corregidor I'm wondering about movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. I think I've mostly seen movies about the war in Europe.
I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.
Recommendations?
Posted by: Northernlurker
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My fav is for family reasons. The Enemy Below with Robert Mitchum and Curt J�rgen. They filmed it using the USS Whitehurst (DE-634). My Uncle was a signalman aboard her during cruises around New Guinea and Okinawa among others. During her Okinawa service a Japanese Val crashed forward of the superstructure setting the Whitehurst ablaze. 42 out of a crew of 213 were KIA in that action alone. Destroyer Escorts were tiny ships - they only had a draft of about 9 feet and was 10 yards abeam.

My uncle said the ship was so small that many times Japanese shells would pass completely through the ship without detonating.

Sorry for the sea story but those guys were something.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (tr2D7)

160 Yikes I meant Father Goose - thanks Mr. Peebles. I am mortified.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (MCpv7)

161 Yeah, gotta love those sucker punches.

Started to watch Passenger 57 the other night, I was bored and had never seen it and I like Wesley Snipes.

Not 10 minutes into it comes the first sucker punch.

Sly Delvecchio: "Even though you are being hit on by absolutely beautiful woman, you are determined to maintaining your vow of chastity. You know, you'd make a hell of a republican!"

The movie didn't get any better from there ( e.g., redneck sheriff stereotypes ), so I wound up watching Olympics instead.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (EzdLW)

162 Cold Mountain, the movie was fantastic.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 24, 2018 07:42 PM (dUJdY)

163 Believe all women.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (hIO5j)

Especially if she totes a mattress on her back -- that's a totally sane thing to do.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 07:42 PM (5Yee7)

164 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074899/

Posted by: Exile at February 24, 2018 07:42 PM (Fikbq)

165 For a race of beings totally committed to truth and without any concept of falsehood, movies and television were a horrible betrayal. And it brings up something about the very soul of acting and even fiction: you are lying for a living. At some point, does that affect you? Or me? When I write a novel that's a batch of made up stuff, is that a small crime, a petite sin? Have I lied to everyone?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (39g3+)

Excellent point!....as I got older I just didn't like going to the movies anymore. I would watch them change real history and make up stuff and think "why am I watching this crapola?" so I stopped.

I always envy people that can watch pure drek and enjoy it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 07:43 PM (EoRCO)

166 Posted by: vizzy at February 24, 2018 07:40 PM (s5Khz)

Looks like I'm going to have to open that book after all!

Thanks a lot ;-)

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:43 PM (gwPgz)

167 Operation Petticoat Junction

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 07:43 PM (EzdLW)

168 ... "crusty and curmudgeonly".... hmmm... i like that!

thanks!

:-D

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 07:43 PM (Pg+x7)

169 First up was for Lawrence. He lost to Gregory Peck in Mockingbird, a movie that couldn't get made today.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:20 PM (pV/54)

Neither of the could.

They've banned To Kill a Mockingbird in Minnesota.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)

What about Tequila Mockingbird? (a Get Smart episode)

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 07:44 PM (SiINZ)

170 Pacific War movies? Try Midway. One of the best.

Posted by: Exile at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (Fikbq)

It could have done without the Yoko storyline

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 07:44 PM (SiINZ)

171 This is the main reason I won't watch movies. I will not allow my emotions to be manipulated. Not any more. I will not be tricked or gaslighted. Not any more.

Posted by: grammie winger - at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (lwiT4)

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This is why I mostly gave up watching them. It's irritating when you keep realizing "oh, they're just doing this because they're trying to herd me into feeling this way". I don't mind seeing an occasional bit of special effects escapist fare though. The Mummy, for example.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 07:45 PM (/qEW2)

172 119 TheJamesMadison's Phone

Just as an aside, but I'd like to thank you for the effort and love you put into this thread. It has become one of my must read blog posts along with the Pet Thread, and the Book Thread, even though I hate all Hollywood scum with the heat of a thousand suns!.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 07:33 PM (gwPgz)

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You're welcome.

I'll do it until Ace kicks me out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 07:45 PM (hIO5j)

173 Howdy all, we are still binge watching Orange is the New Black. Trying to do 5 seasons in our months subscriptions.

It's good but I think Anyone else watched this?in the 5th season. Is there a sixth? Anyone else watched this?

Posted by: Farmer at February 24, 2018 07:45 PM (yJ1e6)

174 Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was entertaining but the main storyline they tried to tell was just as flat and empty as the first movie's. Ultimately they work because the character interaction and the spectacle is so entertaining, not because the story is any good. The main characters are so much fun to watch and the wierd stuff going on so distracting and interesting, you don't care how bad the story is.

Basically none o the story worked. You didn't care about Yondu like they wanted you to. The romantic subplots were forced and pointless. Starlord finding his dad had zero impact. The betrayal of his dad was meaningless. There was no investment whatsoever in the storylines or the character backgrounds for the audience to care about. I was more worried about those people about to be engulfed in lime jello than the main characters. I knew they were safe, no matter what took place.

But it didn't matter, because it had a good comic book sensibility: fun, entertaining action and spectacle involving oddball but interesting characters.

So Rocket Raccoon is bitter and pushes everyone away to protect himself. Who cares? So Groot is a bratty tween that can't figure out what a crest looks like and brings a toe instead. the absurdity of somehow getting someone's literal toe to bring was enough in its self, like a Marx Brothers scene.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:45 PM (39g3+)

175 WWII Pacific movies:
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Midway
The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Sands of Iwo Jima
Empire of the Sun

Lots more but those came to mind first.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 24, 2018 07:46 PM (pY+s4)

176
They've banned To Kill a Mockingbird in Minnesota.

..

Still legal in America.

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:46 PM (x25VP)

177 Yikes I meant Father Goose - thanks Mr. Peebles. I am mortified.
Posted by: rammajamma

I read somewhere that Cary Grant hated that movie and his role in it.

Some other good WWII movies in the Pacific:

Up Periscope
30 Seconds over Tokyo
Purple Heart (an aircrew from the Doolittle raid that was captured)
And a Japanese made movie that I have not seen in many years:

I Bombed Pearl Harbor (viewpoint of a Japanese pilot
that ended up getting shot down at Midway)

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 24, 2018 07:46 PM (S6Pax)

178 It could have done without the Yoko storyline
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 07:44 PM (SiINZ)

Nothing is perfect.

Posted by: Exile at February 24, 2018 07:47 PM (Fikbq)

179 Christopher R, the image of reality idea is one of my favorite philosophy mazes. verisimilitude. Fiction that rings true is a creation that excuses all the 'little lies' because they aren't lies. They're stories, products just like a cake or a painting.

They're pieces of craft, or art.

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 07:47 PM (xGMkv)

180 146 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri us my favorite of the year. Great ensemble, great script.

Martin McDonough also wrote and directed In Bruges, one of the best flicks of the last ten years. His scripts have Catholic religious themes.

The SJWs jumped on 3 Billboards because they didn't like that the racist cop has a redemption arc.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (pV/54)

++++

3 Billboards was a good movie, but it had a significant flaw. The guy who tells the story of raping a woman while she is on fire... Come on. That's even worse than the Rolling Stone story about the girl getting raped on a bed of broken glass.

Even if it was your deepest desire to rape a woman while she was on fire, how does that work? Usually, people don't burn unless you douse them in an accelerant. So, you soak your dream girl in gasoline, set her on fire, and then you are going to try to stick your dick in her?

That one part was so stupid it almost turned me against the whole movie.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2018 07:48 PM (pvjTE)

181 This is why I mostly gave up watching them.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 07:45 PM (/qEW2)

Dude ... try a Double Feature of Blazing Saddles and History of the World.

Stick to the Classics, man ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 24, 2018 07:48 PM (fiGNd)

182 I forgot most of the movie except that two plus hours is waaaay too long to tell a comic book story, but I thought the best part of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was the Mary Poppins reference.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Blacks and Hispanics are beating up LGBTs in record numbers and it's Trumps fault!!!! at February 24, 2018 07:48 PM (ks6bw)

183 Went to the movies for the first time in six years to see the Black Panther. My son wanted to see it. I am not a big comic book guy. The extent of my comic book reading was Mad and National Lampoon.

The film was meh! Plenty of SJW crap, and the fight scenes were too drawn out, like Matrix Reloaded. It was extremely loud and get off my lawn!

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at February 24, 2018 07:49 PM (rdl6o)

184 Guardians of the Galaxy was the last comicbook movie I saw until Wonder Woman, and I don't think I'll bother with others.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 24, 2018 07:37 PM (G8B7r)

Well, you picked two good ones.

I'd suggest you add Captain America 2: Winter Soldier to the list.

It works as a movie, not just as a comic book movie, I think.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 07:38 PM (xJa6I)

I saw that! In fact, I thought it was so great that I told my folks to see it as one of their date films (the go to lunch or a matinee after their doctors appointments).

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 24, 2018 07:49 PM (G8B7r)

185 Fiction that rings true is a creation that excuses all the 'little lies' because they aren't lies. They're stories, products just like a cake or a painting.

I can kind of accept that, but what if you go on screen or stage and say lines you don't mean, or beleive, or at least didn't come from you? Sell yourself as something you are not?

I thought those little tentacle alien guys had a good point: Why? Why would you lie to everyone like that? Tim Allen's character is helpless, he cannot come up with an answer. He mumbles something about entertainment and tails off, embarrassed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:49 PM (39g3+)

186 Netflix has a Japanese live-action feature Full Metal Alchemist. It has been done it for other A+ anime titles. Jarring for this film to have Japanese actors when the characters were expressly European.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 24, 2018 07:50 PM (rnAwa)

187 Ugh, Iron Sky- a movie I looked forward to for 2 years when I saw the first trailer on the youtubes. What a disappointment.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 24, 2018 07:50 PM (v3DL/)

188 147 The movie Galaxy Quest, in the middle of being a lot of fun and a great sendup of Star Trek, had a tremendously thoughtful and powerful theme that kind of skates by. And its related to your themes here.

Movies are lies. They are deliberate fiction, meant to entertain, certainly, but none of it is true. Its all deliberate falsehood designed to manipulate the audience. Make you laugh, make you thrill, make you cry, make you care, etc.

For a race of beings totally committed to truth and without any concept of falsehood, movies and television were a horrible betrayal. And it brings up something about the very soul of acting and even fiction: you are lying for a living. At some point, does that affect you? Or me? When I write a novel that's a batch of made up stuff, is that a small crime, a petite sin? Have I lied to everyone?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:39 PM (39g3+)

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Read A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life by William Law for the answer.

Posted by: MAGA at February 24, 2018 07:50 PM (LnOh3)

189 Objective Burma starring Errol Flynn and God is My Copilot are two top WWII Pacific theater film.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 24, 2018 07:52 PM (bML9A)

190 If any Morons here are 60+, please visit www.seniorplanet.org to see our picks for 2017 films with empowered, fully rounded older characters or had plots of interest to grownups. We call it the 'aging with attitude" film awards. Take a look and leave a message in the Comments or offer your picks for good movies for older people in 2017.
I am the editor of the website and I gotta get some traction in the comments...or else I'll have egg on my face when the guy they just hired as my boss shows up in two weeks.
thx!

Posted by: vivi at February 24, 2018 07:52 PM (11H2y)

191 Hollywood is ProgCom Propaganda Central.

They hate you and use movies to transmit their deep, abiding hate for everything decent and American.

Why would anyone who is opposed to such a degraded philosophy pay money to the Enemy in order to do this to themselves?

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 07:52 PM (x25VP)

192 The Enemy Below with Robert Mitchum and Curt Jürgen. They filmed it using the USS Whitehurst (DE-634). ...
Posted by: Tonypete at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (tr2D7)[/]

In the book by D.A. Rayner, it is a British destroyer versus the German sub and not nearly as sympathetic to the Germans. ANOTHER good book written by a guy that had a lot of experience fighting the subs. The chapter where HMS Hecate rams U-121 is titled "Cold Steel."

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 07:52 PM (5Yee7)

193 I must admit, I had not considered the notion of being emotionally manipulated by a movie or a book. I do understand how this is a thing with people. My older son is very selective about books and movies, while younger son is more like me, letting his brain just wallow in the moment.

But, yes, there are some movies that are simply ridiculous about the "you must feel this emotion" thing. Other have mentioned ET. As a kid I liked it well enough, but was always uncomfortable with the tugging-at-the-heartstrings thing. I tried watching it a few years ago and was appalled. What utter crap.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at February 24, 2018 07:52 PM (IMacf)

194 "That one part was so stupid it almost turned me against the whole movie."

Went over my head. Because I'm an ignoramus.

What struck me more was theatrical conceit of setting up the main characters with story arcs with religious themes. Who's the most damned. Good argument it's the Woodie character.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:53 PM (pV/54)

195 Ah, maybe that's the problem: lines that the actor doesn't believe.

If the story is a vehicle for trickery, it is lies. Lots of films go astray from the truth, that's true.

But your writing endeavors to be true, I'd bet.

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 07:53 PM (xGMkv)

196 To paraphrase someone: Fantasy doesn't say that dragons exist, which is false, they say that dragons can be beat, which is important.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 24, 2018 07:54 PM (rnAwa)

197 Mark Andrew Edwards has a review of Black Panther up, and it rings pretty well with what I've read elsewhere about it: pretty good, excellent casting and main characters, but weak action, subpar CGI (rushed) and fight choreography, and some gratuitous white bashing.

There's a scene in it where black guys... dressed as gorillas... sit around and hoot at a white guy until he shuts up. They call it "barking" but... was it? And how is that not just cringy as hell?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:54 PM (39g3+)

198 the reason movies work is because they are crafted stories, and the reasons stories work such magic on us is because that's how our minds makes sense of the world. We like to think that we just look at facts like some calculating machine, but we don't, none of us do. We craft stories and tell stories to give ourselves and others understanding of what is happening to us, and to them.

Without the stories we tell, there is no understanding of anything. There is no context, there is no explanation. The stories we tell provide that to us, which is why they are such a powerful tool, and why they can be misused.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 07:56 PM (V2Yro)

199 Seveneves is great. It's obvious that one of the characters is actually Neal De Gaus (however you spell his name) but it makes an interesting point about the difference in his public personae and his actual private personality. Then the book jumps forward 6 thousand years. Whuuui? Only Stephenson could get away with that.

Still think Anathem is spectacular. I've read it back to back. Never read a book twice in a row like that before.

Posted by: Max Power at February 24, 2018 07:56 PM (Hucnr)

200 Vivi.. interesting site! Well laid out and easy to navigate! I've bookmarked it. The Sam Elliot movie look interesting!

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 24, 2018 07:57 PM (dUJdY)

201 (p.s. "big trouble in little china" just started on el rey channel.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 07:58 PM (Pg+x7)

202 12 Anyone see 1517 to Paris?

Posted by: The Gimp at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (JlSFP)

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Bueller? Bueller?

I have not, but have only heard negative reviews (mostly from lefties, so discounted) -- and am interested in opinions from the horde.

Posted by: ShainS at February 24, 2018 07:58 PM (BiLU+)

203 >>>Go watch The Outlaw Josie Wales !!!
It's the Feel-Good Movie of the season. Trust me. You'l love it.

The remake will be called "The Outlaw Josie and the Pussyhats" and will star Chelsea Manning.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 07:58 PM (/qEW2)

204 To paraphrase someone: Fantasy doesn't say that dragons exist, which is false, they say that dragons can be beat, which is important.

GK Chesterton. Both CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien were disciples of the man, and had long, detailed discussions on fiction and particularly what they called "Fairy stories" because there was no category of "fantasy fiction" at the time. They were basically in the process of creating it.

Their argument was, along with Chesterton, that these themes and concepts reached people in a way others could and would not, and could be used wisely and judiciously to educate and enlighten people with the truth that they might not otherwise heed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:58 PM (39g3+)

205 190 If any Morons here are 60+ . . .
Posted by: vivi
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Get off my yard.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 24, 2018 07:58 PM (Q0Ghc)

206 I wish I had film of our orange cat Monkeyboy chewing on the raccoon that came in the cat door night before last to help himself to the cat food. Damnedest thing ever. I gotta get a go-pro or whatever they are.

Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:59 PM (zLDYs)

207 No love for Hell in the Pacific? It stars Lee Marvin and Toshiro Mifune.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 24, 2018 07:59 PM (v3DL/)

208 "The stories we tell provide that to us, which is why they are such a powerful tool, and why they can be misused."

At a basic level, The Bible is a bunch of stories the Jews made up so they'd stop acting like the heathens around them.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:59 PM (pV/54)

209 Really good movie and book set in the Pacific Theater: The Caine Mutiny.

The catch: it only incidentally has WWII as a backdrop. It could have been set anywhere in history, and doesn't even have to be a war story, Wouk just wrote what he knew. Still flippin' good.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 07:59 PM (y87Qq)

210 (p.p.s. lo pan is not an actual character in chinese mythology!)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 07:59 PM (Pg+x7)

211 My wife like Father Goose a lot - I'll say that it's cute, and I can see why Cary Grant hated it.

It's a good example of a women's WW2 movie.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:00 PM (V2Yro)

212 Without the stories we tell, there is no understanding of anything. There is no context, there is no explanation. The stories we tell provide that to us, which is why they are such a powerful tool, and why they can be misused.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 07:56 PM (V2Yro)

In the macro ... I get that. That's why State's spend money on Propoganda.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 24, 2018 08:00 PM (fiGNd)

213 Anyone see 1517 to Paris?

Posted by: The Gimp at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (JlSFP)

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Bueller? Bueller?

I have not, but have only heard negative reviews (mostly from lefties, so discounted) -- and am interested in opinions from the horde.
Posted by: ShainS

I saw it last weekend, and I thought it was pretty good. Not great, not profound, just a story well told by Clint Eastwood. The actual guys from the train incident play themselves. It was a little odd from an acting point of view, but an honest tribute to decency and simple heroism. I saw it at a matinee, so it was only 8 bucks.
And my date liked it too.

Go see it if you are interested. I don't think you will be disappointed.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 24, 2018 08:01 PM (S6Pax)

214 If any Morons here are 60+ . . .
..

Check back in about 31 years.

Posted by: skip intro at February 24, 2018 08:01 PM (x25VP)

215 (p.p.p.s. still, "big trouble" is a lotta fun.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 08:01 PM (Pg+x7)

216 Efram Zimbalist Jr in killer bees movie tonight on Svengoolie

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2018 08:01 PM (UdKB7)

217
There's a scene in it where black guys... dressed as gorillas... sit around and hoot at a white guy until he shuts up. They call it "barking" but... was it? And how is that not just cringy as hell?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

The white guy symbolizes the monolith from 2001.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 24, 2018 08:02 PM (IqV8l)

218 p.p.s. lo pan is not an actual character in chinese mythology!

There are no Chinese girls with green eyes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:03 PM (39g3+)

219 Still think Anathem is spectacular. I've read it back to back. Never read a book twice in a row like that before.
Posted by: Max Power at February 24, 2018 07:56 PM (Hucnr)

150 pages into Anathem: "Why does he have to make up a stupid new word for every damn thing?"
Daily conversation, 450 pages into Anathem: "This English language is dumb and ambiguous, why aren't we just using the perfectly good language from Anathem?"

Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 08:03 PM (y87Qq)

220 Holy crap. I just saw a scene in "Fresh Off The Boat" repeat where an Orlando cop spokesman says, "The Orlando Police Department takes crime seriously!" while talking to the grade school's parents about cyber-bullying. Well, the TV series is set in the pre-shootup era. Maybe that's it?

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:03 PM (ewxPW)

221 209 Really good movie and book set in the Pacific Theater: The Caine Mutiny. "

Oh yes, and marvelous acting performances - first Fred McMurray, who you always think of as a nice easygoing guy, playing the biggest dick you ever met; then Humphrey Bogart, proving he really is a great actor by playing a character totally against his type, and nailing the role; and of course Jose Ferrer who cuts to the heart of everything, and every one.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:04 PM (V2Yro)

222 To paraphrase someone: Fantasy doesn't say that dragons exist, which is false, they say that dragons can be beat, which is important.

GK Chesterton. Both CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien were disciples of the man, and had long, detailed discussions on fiction and particularly what they called "Fairy stories" because there was no category of "fantasy fiction" at the time. They were basically in the process of creating it.

Their argument was, along with Chesterton, that these themes and concepts reached people in a way others could and would not, and could be used wisely and judiciously to educate and enlighten people with the truth that they might not otherwise heed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:58 PM (39g3+)

I think George MacDonald was also very influential with Tolkien and Lewis. McDonald's Lilith is a favorite of mine.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 24, 2018 08:04 PM (5fRCd)

223 The white guy symbolizes the monolith from 2001.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Hmmm....

Interesting analysis. I knew that it was not Brian Dennehey (the Monolith).

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 24, 2018 08:04 PM (S6Pax)

224 I think one people like cheesy scifi movies is that they are so ridiculous that they can't manipulate you.

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2018 08:05 PM (UdKB7)

225 158
Pacific War movies? Try Midway. One of the best.

Posted by: Exile at February 24, 2018 07:41 PM (Fikbq)

Agreed. So many classic Hollywood stars at the peak of their careers, or at least still in the public eye. 1976.

from IMDB:
Charlton HestonHenry FondaJames CoburnGlenn FordHal HolbrookRobert MitchumMonte MarkhamCliff RobertsonRobert WagnerRobert WebberEd Nelson
James Shigetaand more...........
amazing

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 24, 2018 08:05 PM (UsCnO)

226 27 Finally watched The Finest Hour on Netflix (it's dropping off in March). I liked it . Had a Perfect Storm vibe.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 06:58 PM (+Tibp)

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Heh -- assumed it was some old movie about Churchill.

Looking for it, found "The Finest Hours" (2016) available for Instant Watch, which sounds great and I think we'll watch that tonight -- thanks! Here's the blurb:

"Recounting one of the most heroic tales in the annals of the U.S. Coast Guard, this tense maritime thriller traces the daring rescue of the crew aboard two oil tankers; both vessels were torn in two by the furious waves of a gigantic Atlantic storm.

Posted by: ShainS at February 24, 2018 08:05 PM (BiLU+)

227 Fred McMurray, who you always think of as a nice easygoing guy, playing the biggest dick you ever met

McMurray got his start playing hardcore noir guys. He's in several of the best noir films ever made. Then he went and did Disney dad parts, which was the biggest shift of acting ever, until Leslie Nielsen went from serious important authority figure to total cornball slapstick comedy actor.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:05 PM (39g3+)

228 Roomy post you got there LCD!

Posted by: Tonypete at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (Q0Ghc)

229 I saw it last weekend, and I thought it was pretty good. Not great, not profound, just a story well told by Clint Eastwood. The actual guys from the train incident play themselves. It was a little odd from an acting point of view, but an honest tribute to decency and simple heroism. I saw it at a matinee, so it was only 8 bucks.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 24, 2018 08:01 PM (S6Pax)

I will see it - probably tomorrow night. Thinking how agonizing it will be for the SJW's seeing a Hadji get beat down will make it worth it alone.

Posted by: The Gimp at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (JlSFP)

230 Still think Anathem is spectacular. I've read it back to back. Never read a book twice in a row like that before.

Posted by: Max Power at February 24, 2018 07:56 PM (Hucnr)

I read it pretty much to the seclusion of everything else until I was done, but I don't think I will ever read it again. Cryptonomicon, Zodiac, Snow Crash, and REAMDE, all more than once! The Baroque Cycle, I might try to reread!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (gwPgz)

231 Dawg... the barrel awaits.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (dUJdY)

232 seclusion<-exclusion

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (gwPgz)

233 No love for Hell in the Pacific? It stars Lee Marvin and Toshiro Mifune.
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 24, 2018 07:59 PM (v3DL/)

Great movie but ol' Lee would have whacked the Jap whatshisname in the first five minutes in real life.

I forget how it ends.....been awhile. Do they both kill each other or some such.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (EoRCO)

234 It's like I fell in a well!

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2018 08:07 PM (UdKB7)

235 I think George MacDonald was also very influential with Tolkien and Lewis. McDonald's Lilith is a favorite of mine.

Yeah he was. My mom has several books of letters from Lewis and many of them discuss this concept of fairy stories, which has been helpful to me in thinking through what I do with a Christian perspective. But there are still aspects that trouble me about writing fiction.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:07 PM (39g3+)

236 228 Roomy post you got there LCD!
Posted by: Tonypete at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (Q0Ghc)

I was expecting a submarine at the bottom!

Posted by: josephistan at February 24, 2018 08:07 PM (ANIFC)

237 Bogart's roles that I liked best were his villains. Caine Mutiny, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The Desperate Hours.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 08:07 PM (EzdLW)

238 Tom, thank you for what you wrote about stories. you remind me of that poem

tell the truth
but tell it slant

and that saying that men die from a lack of what's found in poetry.

literature including film nourishes our psyche.

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 08:07 PM (xGMkv)

239 We need a jump to the end of the comment button.

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2018 08:09 PM (UdKB7)

240 Dawg's post dug its own well

*drops pebble, listens for splash*

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 08:09 PM (EzdLW)

241 But, yes, there are some movies that are simply ridiculous about the "you must feel this emotion" thing. Other have mentioned ET. As a kid I liked it well enough, but was always uncomfortable with the tugging-at-the-heartstrings thing. I tried watching it a few years ago and was appalled. What utter crap.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at February 24, 2018 07:52 PM

When I saw it, I was appalled that by a scene of the brothers arguing in the restaurant used such foul language with each other in front of their mother and little sister... and in public. "asshole". My mother would have cracked my brothers' skulls open.

When I rewatched it as an adult, I realized that I kind of disliked the whole family and it was a total cheese fest by the time ET arrived.

You know what movie DID hold up from my childhood? The original Karate Kid. The bullying, the kid's bad attitude, the way he finally cried in front of his mother... not over the top.

When I rewatched the movie as an adult, that scene seemed even more pointless.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 24, 2018 08:09 PM (G8B7r)

242 So I saw Justice League the other night, and I was disappointed because I didn't expect to be watching a Hollywood funeral. It was melancholy and basically a downer. meh.

RIP Superdude

Posted by: Fritz at February 24, 2018 08:10 PM (bJ0w+)

243 Anyone see 1517 to Paris?

Posted by: The Gimp at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (JlSFP)

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Bueller? Bueller?

I have not, but have only heard negative reviews (mostly from lefties, so discounted) -- and am interested in opinions from the horde.
Posted by: ShainS at February 24, 2018 07:58 PM (BiLU+)

Mrs. Cop and I saw it last week. It was OK but is actually mostly about how these three guys grew up together, went their separate ways and end up back together in Europe for their "Perversion Excursion." (Hey, they're three horny young men so cut them some slack). The one guy, the one that ends up in the Air Force, is a bit of a screw-up but ends up as a medic and taking jujitsu as a hobby (just the skills you need to treat a wounded passenger after you kick the ass of a jihadi). The Lefties probably don't like the fact that the Air Force guy essentially says he was guided towards being on the train by God.

The fight with the jihadi is maybe 5 minutes out of a 90 minute movie. Movie moves slow and is really more a movie of the redemption of the Air Force guy. Rating = 3/5

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 08:11 PM (5Yee7)

244 Midway is a very good movie, escaping greatness with that Japanese girl love interest part

Posted by: Skip at February 24, 2018 08:11 PM (aC6Sd)

245 ... "there are no chinese girls with green eyes"...

there have been others to be sure. there are always others. but you know, mr. burton, the difficulties between men and women. how seldom it works out. yet we keep trying, like fools"

david lo pan

[one of my favorite movie quotes.]

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM (Pg+x7)

246 The Halls of Montezuma starring Richard Widmark And Attack Force Z starring Mel Gibson. Two more worthy Pacific theater movies.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM (bML9A)

247 When I saw it, I was appalled that by a scene of the brothers arguing in the restaurant used such foul language with each other in front of their mother and little sister... and in public. "asshole". My mother would have cracked my brothers' skulls open.

That bothered me a lot too, when I watched it originally when it came out. The language was awful, mom would have just whaled on us for that. It was otherwise kind of a cute movie, but Spielberg CGI'ing the guns out for big flashlights basically ruined the whole experience and film. Now its not even a classic any more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM (39g3+)

248 A movie which I think over-manipulates the emotions is Up. Specifically the prologue. I know everybody seems to love that movie and that beginning, but I just got the feeling I was being manipulated. I hated it.

**ducks for cover**

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM (EzdLW)

249 Bogart's roles that I liked best were his villains. Caine Mutiny, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The Desperate Hours.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 08:07 PM (EzdLW)

He was a real heel in The Roaring Twenties and Angels with Dirty Faces

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM (SiINZ)

250 Liam Neeson was born to play "Michael Collins," about the IRA leader. But like Midway, they had to stick in a sideshow love story with Julia Roberts that dragged it down.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 08:14 PM (pV/54)

251 The one thing I found disappointing about Midway is they didn't have the budget that other moves did and it shows. If you watch carefully you can see some of carrier accidents (actual footage) being used twice. it bugged me.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:14 PM (V2Yro)

252 From Here to Eternity, really great book, movie did not do it justice, but a great cast.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at February 24, 2018 08:15 PM (nWc4E)

253 A movie which I think over-manipulates the emotions is Up.

I agree. I'd heard how great that was and when I saw it I was annoyed, it was too heavy handed, too cloying.

The whole movie was grossly overrated though. The bad guy makes no sense at all, the story is forced and bizarre, it just fails at so many levels. The only good part is the doggy translation collar.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:16 PM (39g3+)

254 I really like Bogie in "Key Largo", as an ordinary man willing to stand up to the Mob Boss.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:16 PM (V2Yro)

255 104 Pacific movies?

'Mister Roberts' is set in the Pacific, though there's no combat, as the ship that the movie takes place on is a supply transport.

Tora Tora Tora!

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2018 07:27 PM (VAt5v)

Away All Boats!

With the now nearly forgotten Jeff Chandler.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 24, 2018 08:17 PM (2kiKp)

256 Dawg's post dug its own well

*drops pebble, listens for splash*
Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 08:09 PM (EzdLW)

"Tom-fool of a Took! throw yourself in next time."

Posted by: Gandalf the Grey at February 24, 2018 08:18 PM (IMacf)

257 The emotional manipulation stories used to be called Melodrama - it's still all that these are.

Problem is melodrama always was a crowd pleaser.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:18 PM (V2Yro)

258 Let me go on the record and say that 3000k miles to Graceland rocked.
Of course, seeing Courtney Cox getting hammered was in itself worth the price of admission.

Posted by: Drider at February 24, 2018 08:18 PM (HdKKm)

259 We need a jump to the end of the comment button.
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I don't know if it applies to smart-phones but I use ctrl-f and search for the last comment number to get to the bottom fast!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:19 PM (ewxPW)

260 The 15:17 to Paris was a date night movie for my wife and I. I liked it a lot, and so did she. But we liked it for different reasons.

I liked how training and will can save people in a crisis. Good people stepped up. And I liked the Trance dance scene. Reminds me of going around Europe in my service days. Just open Americans charming the Europeans.

She liked the growing up and sticking it out when things went bad scenes. And maybe because the guys were fit and funny and a tad hot.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2018 08:19 PM (hyuyC)

261 imagine if those young men on the train had been there in Florida instead of those 4 worthless deputies....

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:20 PM (39g3+)

262 'I don't know if it applies to smart-phones but I use ctrl-f and search for the last comment number to get to the bottom fast! '

I meant mostly for Dawg's lengthy blankness.

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2018 08:21 PM (UdKB7)

263 Nobody has mentioned The Gallant Hours staring James Cagney for a Pacific war movie. Cagney plays Admiral Halsey and his taking command at Guadalcanal. It is filmed a bit like a documentary and has extensive narration. It also shows the Japanese side pretty evenhandedly. Quite a good movie.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 08:21 PM (5Yee7)

264 45 There's a difference between Georges and Yondu as characters; Georges has been brought down low by his own naivety, whereas Yondu has been brought down by his own bad decisions. It's easier to be sympathetic to Georges so we probably respond to him more.

As for manipulating emotions, the movie that takes the cake in this realm is "ET" and I've never liked the film because of it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 24, 2018 07:04 PM (l9m7l)

I had the same reaction to A.I. (Hey! Same. Guy.)

I'll never watch it again.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 24, 2018 08:21 PM (2kiKp)

265 248 A movie which I think over-manipulates the emotions is Up. Specifically the prologue. I know everybody seems to love that movie and that beginning, but I just got the feeling I was being manipulated. I hated it.

**ducks for cover**
Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM (EzdLW)

I disagree slightly. To me the first 5 mins is a far better story than anything that comes after. I could have been just as happy if they had just rolled credits at that point.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 08:21 PM (ycWCI)

266
From Here to Eternity, really great book, movie did not do it justice, but a great cast.

James Jones's original version is now available and is even better than the published edition. The movie seems deficient except for 1) the Army would not cooperate unless it was toned down and 2) the book could never have been filmed as is under the codes of the day.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 24, 2018 08:22 PM (xN4gZ)

267 200- thanks Jewelll, for the nice comment. "The Hero" is a terrific movie about an over-the-hill western actor but it delves into some deep subtexts... And so is Lucky, with the late Harry Dean Stanton. It was like he was performing his own eulogy. His nickname in the Navy was "Lucky" and like his character, he was a cook in the Navy.

Posted by: vivi at February 24, 2018 08:24 PM (11H2y)

268 I forget how it ends.....been awhile. Do they both kill each other or some such.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 08:06 PM (EoRCO)
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They get off the island they are stranded on and float to another set of islands which they discover has an abandoned base on it. The building they are using for shelter is hit by artillery fire killing both men.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 24, 2018 08:24 PM (v3DL/)

269 hogmartin, I think the Caine Mutiny actually had a little historical significance. I have a book called "Halsey's Typhoon" in which Bull Halsey sailed his fleet into a really major typhoon. A couple of destroyers were lost in the storm. How the crew handled the ship during a major event was paramount to the story. I believe the personalities of the characters was actually secondary. They saved the ship, and destroyed the captains career.

Posted by: Old Blue at February 24, 2018 08:25 PM (gEvQ8)

270 imagine if those young men on the train had been there in Florida instead of those 4 worthless deputies....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:20 PM (39g3+)

Hey now, let's not get all judgmental and all.
We have our fat pensions and bennies to look forward to.

Posted by: BCSO International Union of Police Associations AFL-CIO at February 24, 2018 08:25 PM (EoRCO)

271 A.I. - a big budget movie no one ever talks about, and I think I know why.

If they would have ended that movie about 15 minutes before they did, with him stuck forever on the bottom of the ocean - it would have been touching and thought provoking. But by having him dug out of the ice by some pathetic "Blue Fairy" 20,000 years later, the story became completely idiotic.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:25 PM (V2Yro)

272 245 ... "there are no chinese girls with green eyes"...

there have been others to be sure. there are always others. but you know, mr. burton, the difficulties between men and women. how seldom it works out. yet we keep trying, like fools"

david lo pan

[one of my favorite movie quotes.]
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM

That movie is infinitely quotable. "Shut up, Mr. Burton! You are not brought upon this world to get it!"

My brothers still tell me and each other, "Shut up, Mr. Burton!"

I notice that people mentioned Father Goose. My baby brother saw that a dozen times on TV because a local cable channel would run old movies at staggered times as fillers. He just fell in love with it. I was working crazy hours, but one night when I came home and he insisted I watch it. Even now, he can recite lines at appropriate times like "Goody Two-Shoes and the Filthy Beast?!?"

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 24, 2018 08:26 PM (G8B7r)

273 Angels with Dirty Faces
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With those hoodlum Bowery Boys!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:26 PM (ewxPW)

274 There's a scene in it where black guys... dressed as gorillas... sit
around and hoot at a white guy until he shuts up. They call it
"barking" but... was it? And how is that not just cringy as hell?

Yep. That would be the cue for me to get up, take my popcorn and go home. That does not pass as entertainment, at least for me.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 24, 2018 08:26 PM (Tyii7)

275 I'm Mary Poppins y'all!

One of the greatest lines in film history. There I said it.

Obviously I'm biased being a huge MCU fanboy, but I thought the payoff was phenomenal, in part because Yondu was a relatively minor character. And yet that scene still brought so much emotion. (It wasn't just about Yondu either, it was about Quill and Rocket, both major characters. Plus c'mon, Mary Poppins.)

As an aside, I love that a huge summer blockbuster action-comedy movie ends with a cgi racoon crying. And it works!

Anyone see Black Panther? Thoughts? Personally thought it was just okay, mid-tier marvel.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 24, 2018 08:27 PM (KCgrJ)

276 They get off the island they are stranded on and float to another set of islands which they discover has an abandoned base on it. The building they are using for shelter is hit by artillery fire killing both men.
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 24, 2018 08:24 PM (v3DL/)

That's right! Thanks DR! It is a good movie. They were kinda partying at the end when the shells hit if I remember right.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 08:27 PM (EoRCO)

277 I'm late to the thread....has anyone mentioned Speilberg? He is so heavy-handed with the cues on who you're supposed to like, hate, etc. Might as well have cue cards that say: "Emotion you should feel now is _____". He hits you with music. good or bad lighting, camera angles (looking up with the sky for the good guys, etc.). Overkill, buddy.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2018 08:28 PM (W+vEI)

278 Away All Boats!

With the now nearly forgotten Jeff Chandler.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 24, 2018 08:17 PM (2kiKp)

>>>

Yes! "Children helping the mother." I think it's on YouTube.

Posted by: Gref at February 24, 2018 08:28 PM (AMIL/)

279 Wife and I LOVED GG1 one and your review is why we're afraid of the sequel. Also glad to see the first Bourne movie score so high as I agree. It's a damn shame Matt Damon is a fucking dickhead asshole otherwise I'd have as a if a push behind him as any Hollywood actor.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Stay woke! at February 24, 2018 08:28 PM (IYHxL)

280
What! No love for PT-109? The thrilling story of heroism and great seamanship? Haters!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 24, 2018 08:29 PM (aTPUD)

281 "We're No Angels", Humphrey Bogart, Peter Ustinov, Aldo Ray - a quirky little movie, but a very entertaining one with a very enjoyable cast.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:29 PM (V2Yro)

282 There's a scene in it where black guys... dressed as gorillas... sit around and hoot at a white guy until he shuts up. They call it "barking" but... was it? And how is that not just cringy as hell?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 07:54 PM (39g3+)

WTF? Anyone else feel like they are in bizarro world where something like this is held up as black empowerment?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 08:30 PM (ycWCI)

283 If you liked the first Guardians of the Galaxy, you'll like the second. Its the same kind of ride, and the stuff that didn't work doesn't really get in the way at all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:30 PM (39g3+)

284 imagine if those young men on the train had been there in Florida instead of those 4 worthless deputies....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:20 PM (39g3+)

That thought had not occurred to me until now, but yes, they would have definitely tried to do something other stand in the parking lot with their d!cks in their hands. I think most people are stunned by that revelation.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 24, 2018 08:30 PM (5Yee7)

285 I disliked "Hugo" intensely. I saw the whole movie once, and part of it later. I thought the whole thing was intensely manipulative, but none of the characters except the boy was the least bit likeable or sympathetic. That made me furious at the movie, because the manipulation was so bald-faced, yet none of it was effective. Yecch. That must the Scorzese movie. I won't bother with any of his other work.

Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at February 24, 2018 08:30 PM (oGfbI)

286 276
That's right! Thanks DR! It is a good movie. They were kinda partying at the end when the shells hit if I remember right.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 08:27 PM (EoRCO)

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The ending Boorman shot was the two of them arguing and then parting ways. The producers hated that ending, so they used footage from another movie for the explosion.

It's so out of left field that I found it funny.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 08:30 PM (Jj43a)

287 The Georges Melies clips are nice.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2018 08:30 PM (sdi6R)

288 By the way. As a recommendation. On cable, there is a movie on one of the premiums called "The Autopsy of Jane Doe".

Creepy flick. Creepier than I figured it was going to be.

Posted by: Drider at February 24, 2018 08:31 PM (HdKKm)

289
With those hoodlum Bowery Boys!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:26 PM (ewxPW)

Say faddah, whadda say, whadda know

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 08:31 PM (SiINZ)

290 A Pacific Theater film from the Japanese side:

Japan's Longest Day (1967)

Posted by: Gref at February 24, 2018 08:31 PM (AMIL/)

291 Anyone else feel like they are in bizarro world where something like this is held up as black empowerment?

Again, I have not seen it but the youtube reviews by some black guys brought up that this scene was very odd and awkward. Maybe not gorilla suits for that particular bit?? I know there was a guy named Man-Ape who was one of Black Panther's foes (a literal human gorilla type), and they were kinda working that in with the different animal-based tribes. But really, maybe not that particular group for this scene.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:31 PM (39g3+)

292 >>A movie which I think over-manipulates the emotions is Up. Specifically the prologue. I know everybody seems to love that movie and that beginning, but I just got the feeling I was being manipulated. I hated it.

I liked the first 10 min - showing the lifespan of a loving couple with no words. The rest was not good, weird, even.

Also, I'll add this: Brave. Weird, did not work for me at all.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2018 08:32 PM (W+vEI)

293 The bet Allegorical Movie about the Pacific War from the Japanese Side - "Gojira", 1954.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:32 PM (V2Yro)

294
Away All Boats!

With the now nearly forgotten Jeff Chandler.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer

Chicken guts

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 24, 2018 08:33 PM (IqV8l)

295 Posted by: Old Blue at February 24, 2018 08:25 PM (gEvQ

The typhoon really did happen, but the real event, or even the fact that it was a ship at sea during a typhoon wasn't necessary to the story. Not to get all Joseph Campbell all-stories-are-derivative but it could have been an airliner with an engine failure or a corporate boardroom or something and the character dynamics would still make it a good story.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 08:33 PM (y87Qq)

296 I liked the first 10 min - showing the lifespan of a loving couple with no words. The rest was not good, weird, even. "

That reminds me of the last 2 minutes of Zardoz. Good music, at least.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 24, 2018 08:34 PM (V2Yro)

297 "Hostiles" is what I want to see, but the theater nearest to me isn't showing it.

Has anyone here seen it?

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 08:34 PM (xGMkv)

298 Gojira vs. Mothra!

Posted by: Weasel at February 24, 2018 08:34 PM (Sfs6o)

299 @291 I know there was a guy named Man-Ape who was one of Black Panther's foes (a literal human gorilla type), and they were kinda working that in with the different animal-based tribes
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Man-Ape is a human named M'Baku. I *think* he's a part of a tribe that follows the White Ape totem instead of the Black Panther totem that T'Challa's tribe follows.

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM (VAt5v)

300 Gojira vs. Mothra!

Posted by: Weasel at February 24, 2018 08:34 PM (Sfs6o)

Are those costume ideas for Justin Trudeau if he goes to Japan?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM (SiINZ)

301 Gojira vs. Mothra!

Posted by: Weasel at February 24, 2018 08:34 PM (Sfs6o)

Gamera FTW! How can you beat a giant turtle who pulls in his legs, and then shoots rocket exhaust out his leg holes?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM (Dbv1R)

302 For a different WWII flick, Hope and Glory, John Boorman's semi-autobiographical movie about being a young boy in England having the time of his life.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM (pV/54)

303 Another WWII favorite of mine is "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence". David Bowie, Tom Conti. Directed by Nagisa Oshima. Brits in a WWII prison camp. Very thought provoking and you do have to understand a little of the Japanese mind set during WWII, which I did when I first saw the movie. To me, at least, it was a very powerful and moving film.

Posted by: Old Blue at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM (gEvQ8)

304 I really hated Hugo.

Posted by: Dang at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM (v49Tn)

305 There are two movies coming out that I am wincing and backing away from out of fear.

Super Troopers 2 and The Incredibles 2.

The first ones were so good, so well done, so interesting and fun and hit all the right notes exactly right I can just see them being miserable failures.

The Broken Lizard guys can be great, but they can also really stink up the place. Slammin Salmon was terrible, and Club Dread was just a failure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:38 PM (39g3+)

306 Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 08:33 PM (y87Qq)

Minor aside, my father rode out that typhoon, He said that from the bridge, you could look over at the adjacent ships and at the crest, you'd see their props completely out of the water!

Now get off my lawn!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 08:38 PM (gwPgz)

307 It ain't Godzilla without that old man raper Ray Burr in it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 24, 2018 08:39 PM (EoRCO)

308 Gojira vs. Mothra!

Posted by: Weasel at February 24, 2018 08:34 PM (Sfs6o)

Are those costume ideas for Justin Trudeau if he goes to Japan?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM

I have to clean my screen now. Thanks!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 24, 2018 08:39 PM (G8B7r)

309 Incredibles 2 looks like it could be a train wreck. Pixar has a certain amount of credit built up, however- so we'll see.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 08:40 PM (ycWCI)

310 Brad Bird said he wouldn't do a sequel to Incredibles until he had a script better than the first. Trailers are good, so I'm optimistic.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 08:40 PM (pV/54)

311 I *think* he's a part of a tribe that follows the White Ape totem instead of the Black Panther totem that T'Challa's tribe follows.

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2018 08:37 PM (VAt5v)

Thanks, you just completely calibrated that film for me!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 08:40 PM (gwPgz)

312 Bridge on the River Kawi is a really great WW2 movie, I thought. It is a different part of the war, and covers some very interesting themes of dedication, honor, and discipline in a way not normally seen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:40 PM (39g3+)

313 Halsey took his 3rd Fleet into two typhoons.

The Navy changed the priority of weather messages after that, and Nimitz wrote him a reprimand that was still used 40+ years later in my sea-going training.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2018 08:41 PM (hyuyC)

314 >>> For a different WWII flick, Hope and Glory

I have seen parts of it a couple times, may have seen the whole thing at a sitting. Very enjoyable story.

Posted by: fluffy at February 24, 2018 08:41 PM (cHbmY)

315 Completely unrelated, but ya'll should get on over to YouTube and just click on any video and you should get one of many brand new NRA ads that are incredibly well done.

Dana Lash (I'm not even going to try to spell it) has the best one by far.

NRA on the offensive!

Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2018 08:42 PM (BfOXk)

316 hogmartin, point taken. I can't really say if Wouk used that particular storm as a plot point.

Posted by: Old Blue at February 24, 2018 08:42 PM (gEvQ8)

317 >>The Incredibles 2.

Yeah, same.

Also, Pixar co-founder and chief John Lassiter has turned out to be one of the open secret Hollywood pervs (though not rapey, just grabby, I think?), so....will be interesting to see how this affects Pixar. He may leave, and/or they may go overboard with the grrrl power stuff as penance.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2018 08:42 PM (W+vEI)

318 Watching Quigley Down Under right now for the 20th time.

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

319 Sure, but the evil white patriarchy would never make a movie called "Gurkha on a Train" about using a kukri to kill a trainful of robbers!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:43 PM (ewxPW)

320 318 Watching Quigley Down Under right now for the 20th time.
Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

Said I never had much use for one...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 08:43 PM (ycWCI)

321 King Rat > The Great Escape

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 08:43 PM (2DOZq)

322 Halsey took his 3rd Fleet into two typhoons.

He was on a relentless hunt for a butter pie.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (Tyii7)

323 I strongly recommend reading the Great Escape book. Its the movie times like 50. So much more detail, hardship, and what those guys went through is awe inspiring.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (39g3+)

324 Right now on Pluto TV (streaming online, actually not too bad) . . . the Rifftrax version of Sharknado.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (953wK)

325 Minor aside, my father rode out that typhoon, He said that from the bridge, you could look over at the adjacent ships and at the crest, you'd see their props completely out of the water!

Now get off my lawn!
Posted by: Hrothgar

Yeah, my Dad was in that typhoon too, on an LST. He told me they all thought they were gonna die.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (S6Pax)

326

King Rat

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (IqV8l)

327 butter wouldn't melt
so he put it in a pie

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (xGMkv)

328 302: hope and glory

one of my favs.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at February 24, 2018 08:46 PM (Pg+x7)

329 "The stories we tell provide that to us, which is why they are such a powerful tool, and why they can be misused."

At a basic level, The Bible is a bunch of stories the Jews made up so they'd stop acting like the heathens around them.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 07:59 PM (pV/54)

========

Yes - higher critical theory. For example, what is the point of the account of Abraham almost sacrificing Isaac, only to be stopped at the last minute? The higher critic would say that Israelites engaged in the customs of their neighbors such as the Canaanites who sacrificed their firstborn. The priests wanted to put an end to it, so the account was invented as a lesson to teach the people that "no, God does not want you to do this". Hermann Gunkel came up with a list of purposes for biblical accounts, for example to explain place names. Why is this place called Peniel? Because Jacob wrestled there.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 08:46 PM (/qEW2)

330 butter wouldn't melt
so he put it in a pie

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (xGMkv)

Hands across the water
Water
Hands across the sky

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2018 08:47 PM (SiINZ)

331 Not a war movie, but loved Peter O'Toole in The Ruling Class.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz
**********************************

Silly little movie about our betters. Shame on them they should know their place.

Posted by: Roaderick at February 24, 2018 08:47 PM (AC18V)

332 I would watch another 20 or so Guardian of the Galaxy sequels just to see Karen Gillen play Nebula. She's smoking.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2018 08:47 PM (BfOXk)

333 We are No Angels, Humphrey Bogart, Peter Ustinov, Aldo Ray - a quirky little movie, but a very entertaining one with a very enjoyable cast.

===============

absolutely great movie!

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at February 24, 2018 08:48 PM (rdl6o)

334 Mmm. Dog.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:48 PM (ewxPW)

335 We just finished watching Fury and now we've moved onto one of our favorites, Intouchables.

Seen it more times than I can count and never get tired of it.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at February 24, 2018 08:48 PM (xGaZm)

336 332 I would watch another 20 or so Guardian of the Galaxy sequels just to see Karen Gillen play Nebula. She's smoking.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2018 08:47 PM (BfOXk)

=====

Dolley, my wife, looks A LOT like her.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 08:49 PM (Jj43a)

337 Mmm. Dog.

Mmmmm.

Posted by: barry from djakarta at February 24, 2018 08:49 PM (6FqZa)

338 332 I would watch another 20 or so Guardian of the Galaxy sequels just to see Karen Gillen play Nebula. She's smoking.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2018 08:47 PM (BfOXk)

Aye.

*fistbump*

But the ginger glory is kind of under wraps.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 08:49 PM (ycWCI)

339 Mmm. Dog.
Mmmmm.
Posted by: barry from djakarta

fml

Posted by: Zombie Bo at February 24, 2018 08:50 PM (Tyii7)

340 Yes - higher critical theory.

Its all daffy nonsense, but it gives academics something to do when not pushing communism and men in your daughter's locker room.

Basically they start from a presupposition: none of this can possibly be true. Then they start coming up with ways to explain things that avoid it being true.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:51 PM (39g3+)

341 Karen Gillen is in Jumanji, the surprise boffo box office hit of the year.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 08:52 PM (pV/54)

342 I enjoyed Iron Sky entirely too much.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 24, 2018 07:31 PM (rnAwa)

It was a very funny movie. With the best Downfall parody ever. And the "Mars exploration vessel" George W. Bush was pretty nifty, too.

Posted by: HTL at February 24, 2018 08:52 PM (sVlsv)

343
Dolley, my wife, looks A LOT like her.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 08:49 PM (Jj43a)

Bald, shiny and slightly patchwork?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 08:52 PM (NWiLs)

344 Higher critical theory disregards the archeological evidence, when available, that those things really happened and weren't just stories made up by the Jews.

Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at February 24, 2018 08:53 PM (/A+Cl)

345 Posted by: vivi at February 24, 2018 07:52 PM (11H2y)

Interesting site.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2018 08:53 PM (gwPgz)

346 343
Dolley, my wife, looks A LOT like her.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 08:49 PM (Jj43a)

Bald, shiny and slightly patchwork?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 08:52 PM (NWiLs)

======

Blue.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 08:53 PM (Jj43a)

347 343
Dolley, my wife, looks A LOT like her.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 24, 2018 08:49 PM (Jj43a)

Bald, shiny and slightly patchwork?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 08:52 PM (NWiLs)

Homicidal towards her sister?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 08:53 PM (ycWCI)

348 Higher critical theory disregards the archeological evidence, when available, that those things really happened and weren't just stories made up by the Jews.

Oh, sure, they were the guys that swore David was a fictional king, a King Arthur type who never existed, all mythology. Their history of claiming stuff was all made up and being proven wrong by archaeology is pretty long and hilarious. But like I said, it keeps academics busy and perhaps out of trouble in other areas.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:55 PM (39g3+)

349 If Abraham being willing to sacrifice his son is just an allegory, then it foreshadowing God's willingness to sacrifice His son is a pretty big coincidence.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:55 PM (ewxPW)

350 I wasn't knocking The Bible. It does have the effect of telling stories that got the Jews to stop acting like their heathen neighbors, Word of God or not.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 08:55 PM (pV/54)

351 Quiet Man, that's amazing to me, you even included the little echo of

water

!

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 08:56 PM (xGMkv)

352 I also watched Mission Impossible for the first time today. It reminded me of Con Air. Pretty good until they went way over the top ridiculous at the end . Helicopter in the Chunnel. WTFF?

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

353
Hell in the Pacific is probably the most manly movie ever made. With only Marvin and Mifune on-screen, it's like they soaked the film with testosterone before developing it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 24, 2018 08:57 PM (eXA4G)

354 352 I also watched Mission Impossible for the first time today. It reminded me of Con Air. Pretty good until they went way over the top ridiculous at the end . Helicopter in the Chunnel. WTFF?
Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

It's not Mission Kinda Difficult or Mission Really Challenging for a reason, you know.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 08:57 PM (NWiLs)

355 McCartney's "Ram" playing now.

Too many people never sleeping late

Posted by: booknlass at February 24, 2018 08:58 PM (xGMkv)

356 248 A movie which I think over-manipulates the emotions is Up. Specifically the prologue. I know everybody seems to love that movie and that beginning, but I just got the feeling I was being manipulated. I hated it.

**ducks for cover**
Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 08:13 PM (EzdLW)

The first 8-10 minutes of Up are some of the saddest I have ever seen - and in a cartoon no less!!

I loved Up! I think it was probably the best thing Ed Asner ever did.

Posted by: Ann at February 24, 2018 08:58 PM (jtHQy)

357 Yeah that Helicopter scene was awful. Even if it were remotely possible, it keeps dinging rotors off of things, which would instantly wreck the chopper. And Tom Cruise clinging to the front of the bullet train with one hand... no, just no.

Part of what bothers me about that film is that it was written to kill off the original IMF. They tried to get Peter Graves to play the main character, the actual IMF head who turned evil. He told them to F off, that they would have never done that. Plus, no way does this new chump ever outwit the original IMF guys.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:58 PM (39g3+)

358 Con Air's ridiculousness was the point.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 08:59 PM (6FqZa)

359 Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 08:57 PM (NWiLs)

It was Mission You Have Got To Be Fucking Kidding.

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 08:59 PM (2DOZq)

360 hope and glory
------
A fave of mine too.
"I've seen better." [slap]
"Thank you, Adolf!" after the grade school is bombed on opening day of September classes.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 09:00 PM (ewxPW)

361 I loved Up! I think it was probably the best thing Ed Asner ever did.
Posted by: Ann at February 24, 2018 08:58 PM (jtHQy)

Damning with faint praise...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 09:00 PM (ycWCI)

362 The first 8-10 minutes of Up are some of the saddest I have ever seen - and in a cartoon no less!!

At the beginning of the cartoon no less no less. Hard to watch the rest of the movie when I'm a wreck at the start.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:00 PM (6FqZa)

363 If Abraham being willing to sacrifice his son is just an allegory, then it foreshadowing God's willingness to sacrifice His son is a pretty big coincidence.
Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:55 PM (ewxPW)

We did "directors' cuts" last week.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 09:00 PM (y87Qq)

364 358 Con Air's ridiculousness was the point.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 08:59 PM (6FqZa)

They should have given me a clue in the first 90 minutes.

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 09:01 PM (2DOZq)

365 We did "directors' cuts" last week.

Yeah, and Deckard was not a replicant.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 09:01 PM (39g3+)

366 U.S. Code 242 to a single gun control law and all of the gun control laws in the country will instantly become dead letter unenforceable laws and disappear - just like the rest of the Jim Crow laws instantly vanished in 1948.

Posted by: An Observation at February 24, 2018 07:25 PM (lkOCI)
*******************

Those Jim Crow laws were passed to thwart Carpetbagger lawless takeover.

Posted by: p3o at February 24, 2018 09:01 PM (AC18V)

367 332 I would watch another 20 or so Guardian of the Galaxy sequels just to see Karen Gillen play Nebula. She's smoking.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2018 08:47 PM (BfOXk)

You might want to see Jumanji 2 if you like her.

And of course, Dwayne Johnson is smokin' hot.

As a bonus, the movie was entertaining too!

Posted by: Ann at February 24, 2018 09:02 PM (jtHQy)

368 363 If Abraham being willing to sacrifice his son is just an allegory, then it foreshadowing God's willingness to sacrifice His son is a pretty big coincidence.
Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 08:55 PM (ewxPW)

We did "directors' cuts" last week.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 09:00 PM (y87Qq)

You have to watch the "Behind the Scenes and Commentary" on the 2-disc BluRay edition to get the whole scoop.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 09:02 PM (NWiLs)

369 Son of Godzilla (1967) has an ending that could be called emotionally manipulative but it's still good. Baby Godzilla and daddy Godzilla embracing each other, going into hibernation, as their island gets turned into a frozen rock. It's a kids' movie but that last scene almost choked me up.

https://professormortis.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/son-of-godzilla.jpg

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 09:02 PM (EzdLW)

370 See you later. Inspector Lynley Mysteries is on!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2018 09:02 PM (ewxPW)

371 OMG.. channel surfing and came across Snatched, the awful Amy Schumer movie. Had one funny scene then turned ridiculous. What a horrid movie. Couldn't finish it.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 24, 2018 09:03 PM (dUJdY)

372 Guardians of the Galaxy was written and directed by the same person

So like the first Hellraiser.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:03 PM (6FqZa)

373 Basically they start from a presupposition: none of this can possibly be true. Then they start coming up with ways to explain things that avoid it being true.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:51 PM (39g3+)

========

Yeah. Speculating about the origin of a text you weren't apart of seems inherently ... prone to errors. I'm sure you've read Fernseed and Elephants - that gives pretty strong evidence, because it's a firsthand account of someone who could say that this sort of speculation almost always failed, when it came to his works or anyone he knew.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 09:03 PM (/qEW2)

374
I strongly recommend reading the Great Escape book. Its the movie times like 50. So much more detail, hardship, and what those guys went through is awe inspiring.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:44 PM (39g3+)

Some of the stories of POW resistance are just awe-inspiring. Like the prisoners at Colditz Castle building a fucking GLIDER for an escape from the roof (the Americans liberated the camp before the glider was completed).

Or the Limey prisoner who was in another castle, who amused himself by painstakingly digging slivers of dry rot out of roof beams and transplanting it into healthy wood so that eventually the whole structure would fail. The fact that it would take decades for the process didn't deter him from making the effort.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 24, 2018 09:04 PM (eXA4G)

375 If Abraham being willing to sacrifice his son is just an allegory, then it foreshadowing God's willingness to sacrifice His son is a pretty big coincidence.

Posted by: andycanuck

And of course the complete coincidence occurred that the place Isaac was almost sacrificed later became the exact spot Jesus was crucified.

Dr. Scott Hahn has a huge number of very good talks on how the events of the Old Testament figured into the New.

Dr. Hahn's "The Fourth Cup" is a remarkable talk/book about how Jesus fulfilled his role as sacrifice as well as priest in the Last Supper, and how when he took the wine from the hyssop just before dying, that last drink was the Fourth Cup of Wine of the Jewish Passover Seder, which signifies the consummation of the event. The Last Supper had been cut short just before that last drink, because the sacrifice would not be complete until the next day when Jesus died.

I heartily recommend anything by Dr. Hahn. He is brilliant.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2018 09:05 PM (BfOXk)

376 357 Yeah that Helicopter scene was awful. Even if it were remotely possible, it keeps dinging rotors off of things, which would instantly wreck the chopper. And Tom Cruise clinging to the front of the bullet train with one hand... no, just no.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:58 PM (39g3+)

I don't even want to waste my time watching movies like that.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2018 09:05 PM (sdi6R)

377 the movie I saw last week was Annihilation but I already reviewed most of that one in comments here.

One thing I forgot to mention: lots of shout-outs to the Journey Into Hell genre. The opening scenes where they're paddling through a swamp got me thinking Heart Of Darkness. The last scene at the broken lighthouse? Childe Roland To The Dark Tower Came. Except this was a white tower, subverting the trope I guess.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:06 PM (6FqZa)

378 306: my dad was in the same one. one second a ship was next to you, then gone. he was steering at the time.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 24, 2018 09:06 PM (KP5rU)

379 LOVE the stories about the prisoners at Colditz Castle.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 09:06 PM (EzdLW)

380 Starz has been running Hitchcock's movies this month, including several which you rarely see.

Last night, I saw "Lifeboat", which is more or less a pro-American WWII propaganda film concerning a group of survivors on a lifeboat(!) after their ship is sunk by a Nazi U-boat, but the U-boat is sunk and now they have a Nazi onboard as well.

Some great character work by well...pretty much everyone. Props to William Bendix and Tallulah Bankhead especially.

For a propaganda film it has some interesting moral nuance floating around in it.

Well worth watching if not one of Hitchcock's best.

I also saw "Frenzy" which I believe is one of Hitchcock's best films. It concerns a serial killer (well before the serial killer craze) in London and the innocent man accused of his crimes (natch, it's Hitchcock).

Profoundly disturbing scenes with the serial killer, including a creepy rape and a played as a pitch black comedy evidence retrieval from one of his victims sequence.

It also works as an ensemble film with various London types from that era. The police detective and his would-be gourmet wife's cooking is a nice running joke.

Hitchcock's last great film and it came after a dry spell where critics thought the old boy had lost his edge.

He had not.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2018 09:08 PM (E3rQ4)

381 Swede ladies win gold in curling. Oh well. I was rooting for the S. Koreans.

Posted by: Hands at February 24, 2018 09:08 PM (EzdLW)

382 I would bet money that Vandermeer had read Alice K. Turner, A History of Hell. Because besides Heart Of Darkness and Childe Roland, she also notes Aliens. My 'Giger Meter' buried the needle in Annihilation.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:09 PM (6FqZa)

383 Did anybody ever watch the British t.v. series on Colditz? Very good as I remember.

One of my favorite episodes had a new officer join the group who was such a stereotype Pip Pip Cheerio!-type that they were sure he was a German spy. Nobody could be that British!

Nope, he was just an upper class twit.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 24, 2018 09:10 PM (qJtVm)

384 In my Skyrim fanfic, referring to an earlier post about dragons being able to be beaten ... not only can they be beaten, but if you whup their boss (Alduin) his lieutenant will (or at least could) accept you as his new boss, and you can change their bevavior.

(Of course, it helps if the back-story establishes that dragons and mortals cooperated before Alduin got power-hungry ... )

Posted by: empire1 at February 24, 2018 09:11 PM (hhO0I)

385 "The Navy changed the priority of weather messages
after that, and Nimitz wrote him a reprimand that was still used 40+
years later in my sea-going training.

Posted by: NaCly Dog"

Our captain apparently didn't get that memo. Drove us right through a hurricane and as a result we spent months in Naples fixing all the damage.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 24, 2018 09:13 PM (w+Jhj)

386 213 Anyone see 1517 to Paris?

Posted by: The Gimp at February 24, 2018 06:49 PM (JlSFP)

==============

Bueller? Bueller?

I have not, but have only heard negative reviews (mostly from lefties, so discounted) -- and am interested in opinions from the horde.
Posted by: ShainS

I saw it last weekend, and I thought it was pretty good. Not great, not profound, just a story well told by Clint Eastwood. The actual guys from the train incident play themselves. It was a little odd from an acting point of view, but an honest tribute to decency and simple heroism. I saw it at a matinee, so it was only 8 bucks.
And my date liked it too.

Go see it if you are interested. I don't think you will be disappointed.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 24, 2018 08:01 PM (S6Pax
-------
Echo those same comments. The wife and I like it. Don't go in setting your expectations of seeing a MI or James Bond type movie b/c it's not. Simply a story about heroism - nothing more, nothing less. As BC says, you won't be disappointed.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at February 24, 2018 09:14 PM (+ldAm)

387 Our captain apparently didn't get that memo. Drove us right through a hurricane

That's retarded, Sir.

I hope he was reassigned to steering tugboats around the Arctic.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:15 PM (6FqZa)

388 Our captain apparently didn't get that memo. Drove us right through a hurricane and as a result we spent months in Naples fixing all the damage.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 24, 2018 09:13 PM (w+Jhj)

When we finally reach space and are cruising around, we are going to have Captains who want to fly really close to Black Holes, aren't we?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2018 09:15 PM (ycWCI)

389
Yeah that Helicopter scene was awful. Even if it were remotely possible, it keeps dinging rotors off of things, which would instantly wreck the chopper. And Tom Cruise clinging to the front of the bullet train with one hand... no, just no.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 08:58 PM (39g3+)

Well, it's De Palma. Virtually his whole career is built on the idea of shitting on everything, with the notable exception of The Untouchables. And I have this sneaking suspicion that he was terrified that David Mamet would beat him to a pulp if he intentionally turned Mamet's script into his usual De Palma stylish shit-fest.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 24, 2018 09:15 PM (eXA4G)

390 naturalfake, it took me several times watching to see Hitchcock in the movie. He always made a small cameo. I'm not sure if I should give it away for anyone that hasn't seen Lifeboat.

Posted by: Old Blue at February 24, 2018 09:15 PM (gEvQ8)

391 Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2018 09:08 PM (E3rQ4)

For a propaganda film they sure made the German live up to his super race myth even if they made him cold hearted Spock like. I think Hitchcock needed to work on his propaganda skills.

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 09:15 PM (2DOZq)

392 1517 To Paris is another of those flicks I posted about in here already. I thought it was good. Dragged a bit in the middle when they were screwing around all over Europe. Some fat could have been trimmed here.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:17 PM (6FqZa)

393 De Palma has made some great films but yeah, he's made a bunch of Hitchcock knockoff crap too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 09:19 PM (39g3+)

394 When we finally reach space and are cruising around, we are going to have Captains who want to fly really close to Black Holes, aren't we?

It's amazing that Scotty didn't drive himself to drink under Kirk's command.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:19 PM (6FqZa)

395 "One of my favorite episodes had a new officer join
the group who was such a stereotype Pip Pip Cheerio!-type that they were
sure he was a German spy. Nobody could be that British!

Nope, he was just an upper class twit.

Posted by: All Hail Eris"

After the Month Python TV series finished, Palin and Terry Jones did some longer format comedy episodes called "Ripping Yarns". There's one about a guy that shows up at a POW camp and he's all up to escape and has all sorts of plans (all bad), but the others aren't into it and keep trying to calm him down, even to the point of sabotaging his escapes. Then one morning he wakes up and the entire rest of the camp has escaped in the night without the guards noticing. It's hilarious.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 24, 2018 09:19 PM (w+Jhj)

396 boulder terlit hobo

The Europe bit set the stage. Guys swanning around, having fun. Regular guys, nothing out of the ordinary. Until their day became unordinary.

And good luck if you are still looking.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2018 09:20 PM (hyuyC)

397 Carlito's Way was DePalma's best.

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

398 388: they'll call it the McCain Maneuver.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 24, 2018 09:20 PM (89T5c)

399 Harry and Tonto is coming up on TCM at the top of the hour.

That is all.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 09:20 PM (+Tibp)

400 394 When we finally reach space and are cruising around, we are going to have Captains who want to fly really close to Black Holes, aren't we?

It's amazing that Scotty didn't drive himself to drink under Kirk's command.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:19 PM (6FqZa)

Heh.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2018 09:20 PM (sdi6R)

401 When we finally reach space and are cruising around, we are going to have Captains who want to fly really close to Black Holes, aren't we?

Hold my beer.

Posted by: Commodore Schettino at February 24, 2018 09:20 PM (9SkN+)

402 Our captain apparently didn't get that memo. Drove us right through a hurricane and as a result we spent months in Naples fixing all the damage.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 24, 2018 09:13 PM (w+Jhj)

Ugh... that's as bad as when a hydraulic accumulator starts leaking into the bilge and you have to stay tied up in Singapore for a week and a half and everyone in A-gang gets to stay on the boat and fix it while the rest of us are forced to lounge around the Orchard hotel with lots of money and nothing to do.

That was awful.

For them.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 24, 2018 09:21 PM (y87Qq)

403 335 We just finished watching Fury and now we've moved onto one of our favorites, Intouchables.

---

Somehow i think of it a series of great scenes more than a great movie. it has MOMENTS

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 24, 2018 09:21 PM (vChNs)

404 "When we finally reach space and are cruising around,
we are going to have Captains who want to fly really close to Black
Holes, aren't we?

Posted by: Aetius451AD"

Or through asteroid fields.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 24, 2018 09:21 PM (w+Jhj)

405 When we finally reach space and are cruising around, we are going to have Captains who want to fly really close to Black Holes, aren't we?

*beeep*

Posted by: Capt. Christopher Pike at February 24, 2018 09:21 PM (9SkN+)

406 Deep Throat left me emotionally drained. But mostly just drained.

Posted by: Soona at February 24, 2018 09:22 PM (aY2X+)

407 De Palma did both Carrie and The Fury, which have very different feels to them. Both about dangerous telekinetics, within a year of each other. The guy is definitely talented but he can be a hack too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 24, 2018 09:23 PM (39g3+)

408 I loved Up! I think it was probably the best thing Ed Asner ever did.
Posted by: Ann at February 24, 2018 08:58 PM (jtHQy)

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unless he did Betty White

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 24, 2018 09:23 PM (vChNs)

409 Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 24, 2018 09:21 PM (w+Jhj)

How about dragging a mine field behind the ship.

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at February 24, 2018 09:23 PM (2DOZq)

410 Carrie was really good though.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2018 09:24 PM (6FqZa)

411 Nood

Posted by: Bruce at February 24, 2018 09:24 PM (8ikIW)

412
De Palma did both Carrie and The Fury, which have very different feels to them.

Sorry I blew up like that.

Posted by: John Cassavettes at February 24, 2018 09:24 PM (IqV8l)

413 Pacific Rim?

Posted by: X-ray at February 24, 2018 09:24 PM (4fiCC)

414 You have to watch the "Behind the Scenes and Commentary" on the 2-disc BluRay edition to get the whole scoop.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 24, 2018 09:02 PM (NWiLs)

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but 2000 years is too long to wait for the sequel

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 24, 2018 09:25 PM (vChNs)

415
I know it's not regarded as one of Hitchcock's better films, but I'll admit a love for "Lifeboat". Even if that commie cockholster bum Steinbeck wrote it.

As for Tallulah Bankhead, on the set she never wore underwear, much to the amusement and titillation of the film crew. When Hitch was informed of the fact, he observed that "I don't know if this is a matter for the costume department, makeup, or hairdressing."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 24, 2018 09:25 PM (eXA4G)

416 AshevilleRobert

Well, you had extra time to tour the Gut of Naples.

Your CO was misinformed. For all our technology, for all our avoiding trouble, the Sea is always trying to kill you. And no mater how big the ship, the Sea can be bigger at times.

I hope he did not get a follow-on command, or when he left there was no band.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2018 09:25 PM (hyuyC)

417 Carrie was really good though.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo

I had a huge crush on Amy Irving. Years later I saw her buck naked in a movie with Dennis Hopper. Worth the wait.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 24, 2018 09:26 PM (+Tibp)

418 ONT is NOOD

Posted by: Capt. Christopher Pike at February 24, 2018 09:26 PM (9SkN+)

419 My favorite WWII Naval movie: In Harms Way

Posted by: quarkstud at February 24, 2018 09:26 PM (WbAz+)

420 Recommendation: 'The Legend of 1900.'

I second the recommendation. I caught it on cable one night and was enthralled. Tim Roth was great in it.

Posted by: no good deed at February 24, 2018 09:27 PM (eIQHF)

421 ''I have a question. After my tour of Corregidor I'm wondering about movies about the Pacific Theatre in WWII. I think I've mostly seen movies about the war in Europe.
I've seen Bridge Over The River Kwai but not much else.
Recommendations?''

''They Were Expendable'' Directed by John Ford, starring Robert Montgomery, John Wayne, Donna Reed and the director's ''company'' of very fine character actors including Ward Bond. Takes place in the Philippines right at the beginning of the war. Wonderful movie in every way possible.

Posted by: Tuna at February 24, 2018 09:28 PM (jm1YL)

422 341 Karen Gillen is in Jumanji, the surprise boffo box office hit of the year.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 24, 2018 08:52 PM (pV/54)

It was a nice, fun semi-sequel that recognized the original and lampshaded the differences adroitly.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 24, 2018 09:32 PM (2kiKp)

423 297
"Hostiles" is what I want to see, but the theater nearest to me isn't showing it.

Has anyone here seen it?

booknlass: my son and his wife went to see it last week. Son loved it; daughter-in-law liked it.

Posted by: Bookaday at February 24, 2018 09:35 PM (2qDS0)

424 Winter's Bone score was done by Dickon Hinchcliff and it is very effective. Evocative of place and heart-wrenching.

I watched Brawl on Cellblock 99 the other night. I liked it okay and I have been thinking about it off and on ever since, so it made an impact. Vince Vaughn is good in it, but a few scenes were so gruesome they made my stomach turn and I'm generally okay with violence. But this veers into violence porn, IMHO.

I think the best scene in the movie is the interrogation one with Clark Johnson.

I also rewatched Steel Magnolias for some reason, because I didn't like it much the first time I saw it. I still didn't like it, and the general hokiness and color palette make me want to throw up, but it made me cry like a baby this time because now I've experienced the joy and fear of motherhood and the lingering loss of death. Also realized that a line I say all the time is a quote from this movie: "You are evil and must be destroyed."

Posted by: Gem at February 24, 2018 09:35 PM (XoAz8)

425 Jack Reacher is also good escapist fare.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 24, 2018 09:37 PM (/qEW2)

426 But the ginger glory is kind of under wraps.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

She's in the Jumanji remake, and was glorious. I took my daughter to that movie as many times as she wanted to see it.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2018 09:43 PM (BfOXk)

427 275 I'm Mary Poppins y'all!

One of the greatest lines in film history. There I said it.

Obviously I'm biased being a huge MCU fanboy, but I thought the payoff was phenomenal, in part because Yondu was a relatively minor character. And yet that scene still brought so much emotion. (It wasn't just about Yondu either, it was about Quill and Rocket, both major characters. Plus c'mon, Mary Poppins.)

As an aside, I love that a huge summer blockbuster action-comedy movie ends with a cgi racoon crying. And it works!

Anyone see Black Panther? Thoughts? Personally thought it was just okay, mid-tier marvel.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 24, 2018 08:27 PM (KCgrJ)

Review in link

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards...now with Black Panther Review at February 24, 2018 10:15 PM (xJa6I)

428 It makes me happy to see Neal Stephenson getting some love, even if it's on the Movie thread. One of my favorite authors.

Posted by: Semilitterate at February 24, 2018 10:39 PM (L9dhr)

429 425 Jack Reacher is also good escapist fare.
Posted by:
(((((
I found the movies better than the books.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 24, 2018 10:41 PM (V3U1L)

430 I really like the movie thread, OregonMuse, and I appreciate all of the work that you put into your thoughtful analysis of the flicks, and I really enjoy seeing a listing of what you have watched and what you will watch next. Having said that, I feel that including the Netflix Rating is counter-productive. I assume that the Quality Rating is what you think of the movie, and that's the data that means something. That Netflix Rating (which isn't Stars any more, but instead it uses the binary thumbs-up/down) never was a good formula. It wasn't a massive data set, it was an individualized star system. So is the thumbs-up/down scheme for that matter. Anyhow, maybe putting up the IMDB score, along with your Quality Rating, would be more useful. I get the weirdest percentage numbers on Netflix, is what got me thinking about this, where they think that they have my preferences figured out. It's a hoot!

Posted by: goon at February 24, 2018 11:01 PM (EaQ6/)

431 423 Beautifully photographed. Grim. Always great to see Wes Studi. Not as SJW as it could have been (couple spots). Christian Bale quite good.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 24, 2018 11:54 PM (ZKlDy)

432 278 Most deeply closeted movie I ever saw...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 25, 2018 12:30 AM (ZKlDy)

433 SPOILERS

I don't think Yondu was a minor character in this movie. The problem most Marvel comic book movies have is that there are too many characters that they want to develop to push forward the meta-plot. So we have the green alien's family struggle, Rocket's problems, etc. in addition to Peter, who is the main character. I think the main question of the movie is "Who is Peter's Father?" The movie's answer is Yondu. That's also the theme of several movies in modern times, which is a "family" is anything you want to call one. In a nation of bastards, that story is appealing, but I think it isn't quite honest.

The the part I thought was revolting and broke me out of the movie was how fast Peter goes to from being amazed that he has a father to finding out the dirty secret and then trying to shoot him in the head. It's a matter of seconds.

Posted by: goodluckduck at February 25, 2018 12:53 AM (V8zw+)

434 79 Hrothgar, I too have read Cryptonomicon 3 times, loaned it out twice and not got it back. One of my favorites, I'm not loaning this one. Aspergers, lost fortune in gold, WW II, slimy lawyers, and a lady diver who would slit your throat. What's not to like?
Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2018 07:18 PM (zLDYs)

Stephenson's total lack of artistic restraint. No one needs ten pages explaining the best way to eat Captain Crunch cereal. He is as bad at literary diarrhea as Stephen King.

I enjoyed Snow Crash and found myself enjoying and simultaneously hating Cryptonomicon.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at February 25, 2018 04:25 AM (JK1zT)

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Posted by: porto, stazione, centro at February 25, 2018 05:16 AM (8DuJx)

436 First?

Posted by: Weasel at February 25, 2018 11:57 AM (Sfs6o)

437 Yondu's sendoff strikes a chord for me. Now, where did my thieving daughter put that box of tissues?

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 feet CO at February 25, 2018 12:46 PM (Nrxta)

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Posted by: new pet store near me at February 25, 2018 04:18 PM (QOqzD)

439 What? All these comments, 426 to be exact, and not one mention of the best submarine warfare movie ever made...Das Boot.
Must watch it with English subtitles for the best experience!

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