Saturday Evening Movie Thread 02-17-2018 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

To Director's Cut or Not to Director's Cut

Have you come across a movie that never seems to have a definitive version? The quintessential example is Blade Runner which went so far as to release five different versions of itself in a single home video package (the collector's edition came in a little briefcase/Voight Kompf machine…which I own). So, which one to watch? If you've never seen Blade Runner, where do you begin? I've seen three of the versions (not the International or Workprint cuts), and I prefer The Final Cut to the other two I've watched, but there's difference of opinion about which one is the best. Some love the voiceover narration from Harrison Ford while others hate it. Some love the addition of the unicorn dream sequence while others hate it. My personal recommendation would be to start with my own favorite and see more if you feel like it.

Blade Runner, though is a unique example. Most movies have only one cut that ever gets shown to the public ever. A select few get a Director's Cut, or some variant on the name. A very few get multiple cuts (Oliver Stone has cut his Alexander a few times while never quite saving the film from himself). For the first set it's easy. There's one cut, watch that one. For the second batch, I tend to use the general rule of siding with Director's Cuts, although there are definite exceptions. For the third batch, it's about just finding which one works best for you, I think.

Let's talk about some!

Financial Concerns

Movies are an expensive business. In order for the industry to continue, movies have to make money, and with that level of risk (oftentimes going over $100 million just for the production of the film, not mentioning marketing), other concerns than art must play a role. If movies always lose money, no one will invest in them anymore, and we'll get no more movies.

One filmmaker who understands this and does his best to work with it is Ridley Scott. In one of the special features on the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven he talks about this explicitly. He understands that his producers have put up a large amount of money, and he has to listen to them in order to keep working with them. He makes the best movie he can, but he knows that money is a concern.

Kingdom of Heaven is a great example. The theatrical cut was widely derided upon its release. It had the action, but everything else felt empty. Within a couple of years, Scott got a (very limited) theatrical run for his Director's Cut, and those who saw it praised it through the roof, calling it a huge improvement over the theatrical cut. The home release went so far as to include a Roadshow presentation to help elicit the feel that Scott had originally desired from the film.

But, the prospect of a 3+ hour film based on the Crusades with an intentionally uncharismatic lead was not financially enticing (something producers really should have considered much earlier in the process), so they convinced Scott to cut it down dramatically in order to try to fit more screenings into a day per theater, which could hopefully increase the amount of money the film made. The film was a bomb, though, and Scott was ultimately vindicated with the critical reception of the Director's Cut.

All that is to say, the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven is amazing.

Marketing Concerns

Keeping with Ridley Scott real quick: When Fox decided to try and resell the original Alien for the dozenth time, they hired some editors to take the deleted scenes and add them into the film. The editors then showed this new cut to Scott who told them outright (seriously…the man says whatever he wants) that they had ruined the film. The pacing was off completely, which for a horror film that's designed specifically to build tension is a terrible thing. So, Scott went in and supervised an alternate cut that took out things from the original and replaced them with the deleted scenes. This alternate cut is called a Director's Cut, but in Scott's introduction to it on the Blu-ray, he says outright that it's not and that the name is just for marketing.

This leads me to a point a referred to earlier. In the case where there are two cuts, which should you chose? Typically, you go with what the artist says. In the case of Alien, I listen to Scott and watch the original. In the case of Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, I listen to Zach Snyder and watch the Ultimate Cut (seriously…it's not bad).

But, there are definite exceptions, the largest being George Lucas and the original Star Wars trilogy. Now, I used to be the biggest of Star Wars fanboys, reading every Expanded Universe novel and rewatching the movies pretty regularly, and then I grew up a bit. I didn't watch a Star Wars film for a decade. Going back and rewatching them a few years back, it's obvious that the additions Lucas made since the late nineties don't fit the film. The glossy CGI clashes visually with the gritty real world look of the original. There are other edits that just distract completely because they don't really fit (Luke's "No!" scream as he falls at the end of Empire is mostly just funny). So, in this case, I don't listen to the artist, but instead use my own judgment.

Really, when multiple cuts are available, it's a judgment thing on the part of the viewer, but I think it's generally a good place to start by listening to the person who put two years of their lives assembling the film about which version is superior.

An Interesting Example

One of the most fascinating examples of an alternate cut is The Richard Donner Cut of Superman II. For those who don't know the backstory, Donner was hired to film two Superman films back to back. In the middle of filming the second one, the producers, the Salkinds (a husband and wife pair), fired Donner and replaced him. A couple of decades later, while Warner Brothers was trying to find a new way to extract some more money out of the movie-going public, they offered an editing bay to Donner to re-assemble, as much as possible, his own cut.

Donner had filmed about 70% of the film, so there was 30% that he had to either use the new material or find another solution. One of those alternate solutions was to use a rehearsal scene between Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder, which was the scene that Kidder tried out for the role of Lois Lane on originally. It's obviously done in a small back office and has no production values whatsoever, but it fits more closely to the original script that what was used in the theatrical version (in the theatrical, Clark Kent accidentally reveals himself by falling into a bit of fire in a hotel room while in the Donner version, Lois Lane knows that Kent is Superman and shoots him with blanks while bluffing that they're real).

The biggest change, though, is the re-introduction of Marlon Brando as Jor-El in a scene with Superman. In the original cut, they replaced Jor-El with Lara-El, Superman's mother, because Brando was too expensive to actually use (despite having already filmed the scene). Considering the importance of the long distance relationship between father and son in the first movie, having Mother come along to speak kindly to Superman in his time of need doesn't quite fit. This is easily the best change in Donner's Cut.

Ultimately, though, Donner's version of the movie is hamstrung by the fact that it's obviously unfinished and compromised. The largest flaw is probably in the finale which reuses the trick of having Superman fly around the Earth to reset time that they used in the original. Apparently, Donner had planned on finding another way to end the film before he was fired, but he never got the chance.

When balancing the two cuts, I don't think there's a big difference in quality. The Richard Lester theatrical version is more cohesive, but sillier. The Richard Donner version is rougher with a dumber ending, but with that Brando scene. If forced to take one over the other, I'd probably take the Donner cut, but I wouldn't be terribly displeased if I had to go the other way.

In Final

I have a preference to adhere to the opinions of the original artists in regards to how to view their work, but there is definite truth to the idea that once a work of art is presented to the world, any interpretation is largely out of the artist's hands and in the hands of the audience. Extending that to different cuts of movies, one must wonder how much stock to put in to a director's opinion of which cut to watch. I obviously have a soft spot for Ridley Scott, but I find his Director's Cut of Robin Hood bloated while being a fair fan of the theatrical.

What's your experience with alternate cuts of movies? Is there a director's cut that you can't stand
while loving the original?

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
Black Panther
Early Man

Next in my Netflix Queue:
Winter's Bone

Movies I Saw This Week:
Fiddler on the Roof (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) Poster blurb: "Sophisticated, rousing, and filled with life, it's a movie musical worth watching." [Netflix DVD]
A Passage to India (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) "A lesser work of a master filmmaker, but very much still watching." ["Library"]
Hamlet (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) [Rewatch] "Branagh makes some odd choices here and there as both actor and director, but overall the film is." [Personal Collection]
The BFG (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2.5/4) "Nice and quaint. Assembled just like a story book and overlong, but it's ultimately quite sweet." [Netflix Instant]
The Matrix (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) [Rewatch] "Solid hero story with awesome action and interesting world building make for a fun time at the movies." [Personal Collection]
The Matrix Reloaded (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) [Rewatch] "Balancing the interminable dialogue, interesting extensions to the world, and the overall fun action comes to a movie experience I quite enjoy." [Personal Collection]
The Matrix Revolutions (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) [Rewatch] "It's big, loud, and borderline incomprehensible in parts, but dammit if I'm not entertained by it." [Personal Collection]
A Farewell to Arms (Netflix Rating 2/5 | Quality Rating 1.5/4) "Having never read the source material, I still get the impression that this adaptation really missed the point of the story." [Amazon Prime]
The Black Cauldron (Netflix Rating 2/5 | Quality Rating 1.5/4) "Poorly constructed, unfocused, and just not very much fun." [Hulu]

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Posted by: OregonMuse at 07:05 PM

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1 Going to Black Panther in a couple hours.

If thread is still alive, I'll post my immediate thoughts.

Now...to read the content.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 06:59 PM (xJa6I)

2 Evening Horde

Posted by: Tonypete at February 17, 2018 07:00 PM (tr2D7)

3
first

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at February 17, 2018 07:00 PM (YJ1T6)

4 Have yet to see the sequel to Blade Runner, would love to see the final cut

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2018 07:01 PM (aC6Sd)

5 8th !

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 07:01 PM (bJ8oh)

6 For Blade Runner:
First watch the Theatrical edition. I am a fan of the idea of the voiceover but Harrison Ford really spiked his performance. But this is the version where there's no 'Deckard might be a replicant' or 'Deckard IS a replicant' crap. And it is crap, everyone but the director says it's crap. See Razorfist's review if you have a spare half hour.

THEN watch the director's cut. Because it IS damn pretty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:02 PM (xJa6I)

7 I think it was Apocalypse Now that had a longer version

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2018 07:02 PM (aC6Sd)

8 What's your experience with alternate cuts of movies? Is there a director's cut that you can't stand while loving the original?

I admit I did not care for the added scenes in the director's cut of Aliens. We didn't need to know about Ellen's family, and showing Newt's family getting et by the aliens without really telling us how she managed to escape really added nothing. The bit with the motion-detecting machine guns was OK, but again, not really necessary. All that stuff just lards up a tight, taut film and it was a good decision to cut it out from the theatrical release.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Global Rethinker at February 17, 2018 07:03 PM (htCxB)

9 Orlando Bloom was mis-cast for Kingdom of Heaven.

If we'd had Russel Crowe in the role or hell, Jason Statham, we'd have had something more interesting.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:03 PM (xJa6I)

10 Mrs. E recently bought us a copy of Blade Runner. The original of course. I need to pop some popcorn and sit down for a good at-home date with Mrs. E this coming Monday.

Posted by: Eromero at February 17, 2018 07:04 PM (zLDYs)

11 I liked the original Blade Runner over the Final Cut. Just seemed to wrap things up better.

But, both are good. An interesting storyline that needs some more attention. IMO.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2018 07:04 PM (iiixZ)

12 I don't have many DVDs but as Blade Runner is a favorite it might be one to get in a director cut. I like the voice over

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2018 07:05 PM (aC6Sd)

13 Batman V Superman IS bad...in any cut.

Martha? Save Martha? Really? Really?

And don't get me started on hipster Lex Luthor Jessie Eisenberg. That guy should have OD'ed instead of so many other more talented actors.

Amy Adams is a lump. Superman is not super, you have an unmotivated shitmonster at the end....gah.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:05 PM (xJa6I)

14 Movies I watched this week

Broken Flowers with Bill Murray
Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist
Man From Snowy River ( for the 20th time)

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:05 PM (2DOZq)

15 Well for those of you who have the attention span of a gnat. I will re-post for the guitar lovers.

He has 5 Fender Strats and One Fender telecaster..a 1950's re-issue. And one 1980 acoustic Gibson. Oh and an Epiphone he bought in 2014.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 17, 2018 07:06 PM (dUJdY)

16 Mrs. Bitter Clinger had never seen any Blade Runner movie. She was a little confused after seeing the back-to-back Final Cut and 2049 (or whatever it's called.)

The story got fragmented and confusing.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2018 07:07 PM (iiixZ)

17 I also bought the BlueRay dvd of November Man at the Dollar Store for of course only $1.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:07 PM (2DOZq)

18 Huh ?

Posted by: Gnat King Cole at February 17, 2018 07:07 PM (bJ8oh)

19 Longer is better. Commercial movies are cut for time. Especially movies that will make it to TV, cut to fit a time slot and commercials added.

Movies for TV have scenes of a specific length, with specific cuts to commercial.

At home, watching the DVD, I want the Director's cut. And you get different endings on the DVD; SALT immediately comes to mind.

If you view the DVD commentary, almost all producers and directors talk about the budget. There is never enough money.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 07:08 PM (roQNm)

20 Don't like the directors/extended cut of ALIEN or ALIENS, and I really dislike the directors cut of The Wrath of Khan. It's only four minutes longer, but the additions are notable but I think they screw up the pacing of the movie.

Posted by: Joseph Dickerson at February 17, 2018 07:08 PM (LDV7V)

21 9 Orlando Bloom was mis-cast for Kingdom of Heaven.

If we'd had Russel Crowe in the role or hell, Jason Statham, we'd have had something more interesting.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:03 PM (xJa6I)

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I actually think he's kind of perfect.

Those who say he's miscast seem to expect a riding alpha hero instead of this quiet man. But God doesn't always work Tory alphas but also through the quiet ones.

It's subtle and perhaps not actually the intention of the film, hit I think it adds an interesting dimension to the film.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:09 PM (Jj43a)

22
Some of the scenes added to Apocalypse Now Redux were okay but the one where they steal Col. Kilgore's surfboard was a travesty. It should have never seen the light of day

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:09 PM (SiINZ)

23 The BFG

++++

I'm sorry, but as anyone who has ever played Doom will tell you, BFG = Big Fuckin' Gun. There's not one friendly thing about it.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:10 PM (pvjTE)

24 My all time favorite movie, Amadeus, and my husband's all time favorite movie, Cinema Paradiso, both have director's cuts. In my case, I prefer the theatrical cut because the director's cut doesn't really add anything to the story. With Cinema Paradiso, however, we both agree that the director's cut, which is about an hour longer, is vastly superior and has a significantly more coherent story than the original.

Posted by: Secret Square at February 17, 2018 07:10 PM (9WuX0)

25 The thing about movies is....it's alchemy. You have the director, the writer, the producer, the actor, the D of P, AD's and the editor most of all...all of them working together to make the movie.

And all it takes is for one of those guys to fuck up a movie. Two fuck ups and your movie is doomed (you can survive one...maybe)

So there are so many hands creating the version of the movie you usually see in theaters.

Meanwhile, the Director's cut is usually just the director or maybe if you're lucky the director and an editor reassembling the film out of what's available.

It rarely works.

The 'reassembled' Touch of Evil....isn't dramatically different from the theatrical version (though correct me if I'm wrong, my memory might be off).

Generally, director's cuts are bloated. Adding scenes that were cut and should have been cut, often, for pacing or character reasons.

I guess this would be a good subject for research and a series of essays. But my experience is, stick with the theatrical version for movies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:12 PM (xJa6I)

26 I do not like movies that end allowing the viewer to come up with their own ending.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:13 PM (2DOZq)

27 off sock

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 07:13 PM (bJ8oh)

28 With very few exceptions, I tend to prefer the theatrical release to the "director's cut." For the most part they just seem to add running time and dilute the power of some sequences. I suspect that many restored scenes were just too precious to the director to leave on the floor--even when they don't help the movie.

A good example is the great trash classic "Lifeforce" (1985). The theatrical version (briefly available as an extra on the blue ray) just moves at 300 mph and doesn't give one time to think "Hey, this makes no sense." The director's cut adds 15 minutes and just slows everything down. And it includes one of the most laugh-inducing moments ever.

"Dark City" (from 199

had a fairly good director's cut, in which the spoiler-laden intro speech was removed, but it also added stuff that didn't seem needed--why was it important that the hooker had a little girl?

That said, the extended Lord of the Rings movies were improved in the director's cut, as a lot of necessary scenes were restored. So that Boromir's (or whoever Sean Bean played) actions make perfect sense now.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 17, 2018 07:14 PM (l9m7l)

29 Preferring the director's cut of Blade Runner may be a bit unfair. They put the voiceover in the original because they thought the audience would have difficulty following it. Once you've seen it, you don't need it for any second viewing.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:15 PM (pV/54)

30 Oh, there they go! There they go! Every time they start talking about movies, someone gotta pull Blade Runner outta their ass! That's they one! That's they one! Blade Runner! Blade Runner! Lemme tell you something once and for all! Blade Runner was good, but compared to Brazil, Blade Runner ain't shit!

Posted by: Clarence at the My-T Sharp Barbershop at February 17, 2018 07:15 PM (EoRCO)

31 And speaking of Ridley Scott, his "director's cut" of Alien (from 2005) was unnecessary--a point I think Scott himself made a few years later.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 17, 2018 07:15 PM (l9m7l)

32 Well, I tend to prefer a moister cut, as the leanest cuts simply don't have the full flavor.

Wait, this is about brisket, right?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 07:15 PM (7LY+6)

33
Every once in a while I wonder to myself why no one today is interested in the mystery of Jamestown.

Then today I discover this new tv series:

From The Makers of Downton Abby...

Set in 1619, "Jamestown" follows the first English settlers as they establish a community in the New World. Amongst those landing onshore are a group of women destined to be married to the men of Jamestown, including three spirited women from England.

So there it is. What could possibly go wrong with this. Hmmm?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at February 17, 2018 07:15 PM (YJ1T6)

34
The Italian movie 'Cinema Paradiso', which I like a lot released a directors cut which I thought the extra scenes really took away from the movie

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:15 PM (SiINZ)

35 Blade Runner may be rivaled, in the multiple editions race, by the Japanese TV show/movie "Neon Genesis Evangelion" See Wiki here:

http://tinyurl.com/yby7dytp

I've not kept up with all the permutations written of at the link. The final two episodes, were changed and sorta released as movies too, but even there there were differences between the movie endings and the video release endings. I liked both the original TV ending which was more an internal dialogue and the movie/video ending which was more action oriented. Both were just different ways of perceiving the same end, IIRC.

It's been awhile since I've watched the series all the way through, though I do use Gendo as my avatar online.

Posted by: geoffb at February 17, 2018 07:16 PM (zOpu5)

36 32; I hope so.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 07:16 PM (KP5rU)

37 31 And speaking of Ridley Scott, his "director's cut" of Alien (from 2005) was unnecessary--a point I think Scott himself made a few years later.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 17, 2018 07:15 PM (l9m7l)

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Just imagine if this was the kind of place where people read the content...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:16 PM (Jj43a)

38 Sebastian Melmoth @ 26 My own ending?
If I didn't like the movie? The ending is always the same. I take my earplugs out of my ears, make sure I have my phone and my sidearm. Stand and take Mrs. E's arm, and whisper in her ear 'Well, that was a waste of money. Let's go for ice cream.'

Posted by: Eromero at February 17, 2018 07:17 PM (zLDYs)

39 A good example is the great trash classic "Lifeforce" (1985). The theatrical version (briefly available as an extra on the blue ray) just moves at 300 mph and doesn't give one time to think "Hey, this makes no sense." The director's cut adds 15 minutes and just slows everything down. And it includes one of the most laugh-inducing moments ever.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 17, 2018 07:14 PM (l9m7l)

*boggle*
Was anyone just begging for a director's cut for that? How does that even happen?

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:17 PM (y87Qq)

40
Those 4 words are quite powerful, yes?

From the makers of...

Because they usually tell us something right off the bat.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at February 17, 2018 07:17 PM (YJ1T6)

41 Just imagine if this was the kind of place where people read the content...

Well, that would just ruin everything...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 07:17 PM (7LY+6)

42

From the makers of Joanie Loves Chachi...

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at February 17, 2018 07:19 PM (YJ1T6)

43 41 Just imagine if this was the kind of place where people read the content...

Well, that would just ruin everything...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 07:17 PM (7LY+6)

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And to be fair, unless it's written by Ace, it's usually not worth it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:19 PM (Jj43a)

44 I watched Blade Runner 2049 last week. It might be a bit long and slow for some, but I liked it a lot. As for the different versions of Blade Runner I think I watched most of them, but I can't remember which ones I liked or disliked.

My favorite directors cut is Das Boot.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at February 17, 2018 07:19 PM (+ufX6)

45 I see the added scenes from Aliens only as interesting backstory if you are already familiar with the original tighter edit.

Not knowing anything about the fate of the colony lets us discover the truth right along with the Marines and heightens the tension as they investigate the eerily silent base.

I liked Ripley better as a loner who suddenly finds herself protecting a child, rather than as a mother who never got to see her girl grow up but gets another daughter in Newt.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:20 PM (qJtVm)

46 And to be fair, unless it's written by Ace, it's usually not worth it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:19 PM (Jj43a)

Oh come on, your movie posts are always worth reading.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:20 PM (xJa6I)

47 On Blade Runner I'm odd, no doubt.

I like best the original release with the voice overs. Harrison Ford may have been trying to sabotage with his readings but the tone, to me, fits Deckard who seems a character who is emotionally flat except in moments where he expresses violence.

Posted by: geoffb at February 17, 2018 07:21 PM (zOpu5)

48 Bone Tomahawk on Amazon Prime.
Kurt Russell, Matthew Fox, Patrick Wilson with Richard Jenkins killing psychotic injuns. Graphic, but pretty fun all the way around.

Posted by: Not Winston Churchill at February 17, 2018 07:21 PM (qiIWP)

49 I come here for the comments, like Saint Andrew.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:22 PM (pV/54)

50
there is definite truth to the idea that once a work of art is presented to the world, any interpretation is largely out of the artist's hands and in the hands of the audience.

And in Hollywood sometimes the artistic work falls into the ~~money grubbing pigs~~ studio executives' hands.

Such as Harvey Weinstein. Interesting opinion piece at a blog I used to read, speculating that Weinstein had The King's Speech ( an R-rated film ) edited and re-released as PG13 -- not to get more audience but less audience, so that he could claim the film had lost money instead of being profitable, so he could bilk others out of their share of the original profits.

https://dknowsall.blogspot.com/2011/03/ hollywood-babble-on-on-698-re-releasing.html

( remove space in link )

/Quote
So why is the Weinstein Company so adamant about re-releasing the film?

There are two possible theories.

1. The Weinstein Bros. are almost delusional thinking that a PG-13 version will somehow become the next Avatar.

2. The Weinstein Bros. are going to use the re-edit, the re-release, and the costs involved with both, as an excuse to say the film ultimately lost money when it comes time to pay off investors and profit participants.
/End quote

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:22 PM (EzdLW)

51 Hard to believe you enjoyed The Matrix Reloaded. They managed to make a twenty minute fight scene boring. I couldn't finish watching it. Now, The Matrix was a great movie, captivating the entire time. I didn't see the last one in the trilogy.

Posted by: Alibaba Suggested Purchases at February 17, 2018 07:22 PM (rdl6o)

52 Shame about the Black Csuldron since the source material was pretty good.

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:22 PM (1vgk3)

53 sense." The director's cut adds 15 minutes and just slows everything down. And it includes one of the most laugh-inducing moments ever.

"Dark City" (from 199 had a fairly good director's cut, in which the spoiler-laden intro speech was removed, but it also added stuff that didn't seem needed--why was it important that the hooker had a little girl?

That said, the extended Lord of the Rings movies were improved in the director's cut, as a lot of necessary scenes were restored. So that Boromir's (or whoever Sean Bean played) actions make perfect sense now.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 17, 2018 07:14 PM (l9m7l)

As a LOTR buff I like the extended versions of the trilogy. But they would have made them too long for a theatrical release.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:23 PM (5fRCd)

54 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies. I know I've ignored watching some movies because they got bad reviews or didn't do well at the box office.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:23 PM (2DOZq)

55 So what's on Svengoulie tonight?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:24 PM (+Tibp)

56
Set in 1619, "Jamestown" follows the first English settlers as they establish a community in the New World. Amongst those landing onshore are a group of women destined to be married to the men of Jamestown, including three spirited women from England.

So there it is. What could possibly go wrong with this. Hmmm?
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo

The fact that one only of the characters isn't an anachronistic, post-modern bore?

Damned shame that the 'historical' shows are written by people who have no interest or ability to write characters that weren't born in 1992.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM (KXVP7)

57 48 Bone Tomahawk on Amazon Prime.
Kurt Russell, Matthew Fox, Patrick Wilson with Richard Jenkins killing psychotic injuns. Graphic, but pretty fun all the way around.
Posted by: Not Winston Churchill at February 17, 2018 07:21 PM (qiIWP)

Same director who did Brawl in Cell Block 99.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM (2DOZq)

58 Hands, what was there in the story of The King's Speech that would have given it an R rating?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM (qJtVm)

59 51 Hard to believe you enjoyed The Matrix Reloaded. They managed to make a twenty minute fight scene boring. I couldn't finish watching it. Now, The Matrix was a great movie, captivating the entire time. I didn't see the last one in the trilogy.
Posted by: Alibaba Suggested Purchases at February 17, 2018 07:22 PM (rdl6o)

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That's probably it, I doing the action entertaining.

Part of the difference is that I never found the original to be much more than an entertaining action movie, so when the backlash began with the second because it was no more than more of the first (including extra stupid freshman level philosophy), I never really joined in. I felt the sequels were right in line with the first, far from perfect but entertaining.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM (Jj43a)

60 Saw '12 Strong' last weekend...

GREAT Movie... Pro US, Pro Military... showed bad guys being bad guys... and based on a true story.

Was like something they would have filmed in WW2... back when Hollywood actually liked the Military.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM (NgKpN)

61
Here is a link to 8 US Code 242:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

Note
that because the Heller Supreme Court ruling found that the second amendment is an individual
right - that 8 US Code 242 directly applies. This is the law that made all the Jim Crow laws
in the south dead letter unenforceable and, properly pursued, will make
their kissing cousins - gun control laws - become equally dead letter laws.

Judges, prosecutors, and police are loath to enforce such laws when they
realize that they can go to federal prison - or potentially even be
executed - for doing so.
Because citizens who have knowledge of Federal crimes can properly contact Federal Grand Jury Foremen and be called as witnesses, and because the Grand Jury can indict based on that testimony - there is a way around the deep state "Good Old Boy" network of obstruction.

Posted by: An Observation at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM (HQnui)

62 More Red Green for Hrothgar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMV-QuZCEuEapp=desktop

Posted by: DaveA at February 17, 2018 07:26 PM (FhXTo)

63 21 9 Orlando Bloom was mis-cast for Kingdom of Heaven.

If we'd had Russel Crowe in the role or hell, Jason Statham, we'd have had something more interesting.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:03 PM (xJa6I)

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I actually think he's kind of perfect.

Those who say he's miscast seem to expect a riding alpha hero instead of this quiet man. But God doesn't always work Tory alphas but also through the quiet ones.

It's subtle and perhaps not actually the intention of the film, hit I think it adds an interesting dimension to the film.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:09 PM (Jj43a)

Yeah but it is a movie and not a...fast-paced movie. Having a hero or a grown man gives me something to hang my hat on.

If they really wanted to go weak and young, they should have cast a teenager. It wouldn't have helped but might have hammered those other themes home more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:26 PM (xJa6I)

64 58 Hands, what was there in the story of The King's Speech that would have given it an R rating?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM (qJtVm)

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+1 fucks

2 of them is an automatic R.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:27 PM (Jj43a)

65 Saw Black Panther yesterday. Take away it's overly hyped cultural significance/stigma it is a perfectly serviceable Marvel movie. Now waiting on Infinity Wars...

Posted by: astronaut achmed at February 17, 2018 07:27 PM (PUKsa)

66
+1 fucks

2 of them is an automatic R.
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F-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-fuck Hitler!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:28 PM (qJtVm)

67 Oh, and on Valentines day took the Redhead to see Casablanca on the Big Screen....

Talked to the people around us before the movie... and even though most were like me... 29, but on their second Lap....

Most had never seen the movie all the way through...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:28 PM (NgKpN)

68 As a LOTR buff I like the extended versions of the trilogy. But they would have made them too long for a theatrical release.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem

Which makes them idea for home theaters.

I used to watch the extended version in a cycle: Thanksgiving = Fellowship, X-mas/NewYear's = Twin Towers, Easter = Return.

Jackson should have just made 16 hour versions of each of those instead of the Hobbit train wreck, imho.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 07:29 PM (KXVP7)

69 54 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies. I know I've ignored watching some movies because they got bad reviews or didn't do well at the box office.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:23 PM (2DOZq)

++++

The Razor's Edge, the Bill Murray version.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087980

Also stars Theresa Russell who is also underrated.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:29 PM (pvjTE)

70 'Deckard might be a replicant' or 'Deckard IS a replicant' crap. And it is crap, everyone but the director says it's crap.

It's utterly not crap. It's the point of the origami scene with Castillo in the 54th version.

I could not get through the new Blade Runner. The original has a point, what does it mean to be human?

The new one has layers and layers of different model androids deciding who is closer to human and does and doesn't deserve to live. It's a world within itself and it's pointless, it doesn't say anything to us as actual humans it's just interspecies warfare between robots.

I wish I'd been able to stay in it long enough to see old Harrison Ford, but I did not.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:30 PM (fuK7c)

71 Such as Harvey Weinstein. Interesting opinion piece at a blog I used to read, speculating that Weinstein had The King's Speech ( an R-rated film ) edited and re-released as PG13 -- not to get more audience but less audience, so that he could claim the film had lost money instead of being profitable, so he could bilk others out of their share of the original profits.

Wasn't that Max Bialystok's scheme? I didn't not like 'The King's Speech' at all no matter how they cut it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:30 PM (SiINZ)

72 Watching Coppola's The Conversation with Gene Hackman which I haven't seen in at least 20 years. I forgot Duvall was in it too.

Saw a Director's Cut of Amadeus. Subtraction from Addition.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:30 PM (+Tibp)

73
And don't get me started on hipster Lex Luthor Jessie Eisenberg. That guy should have OD'ed instead of so many other more talented actors.

Amy Adams is a lump. Superman is not super, you have an unmotivated shitmonster at the end....gah.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:05 PM

Right. And maybe not the actors but the writing, and possibly directing as well. Amy Adams ( an excellent actress ) is very DULL Lois Lane, compared to Margot Kidder. Jesse Eisenberg is ANNOYING compared to Gene Hackman or Michael Rosenbaum ( who played Lex in "Smallville" ).

And the new General Zod and cohorts, a couple movies back? Again, just dull. I couldn't get through that movie.

Yeah, yeah, I know, get off my lawn.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:30 PM (EzdLW)

74 Underrated

The original The Producers should get the aclame that Blazing Saddles and Holy Grail get.

In Bruges is one of the best flicks of the last ten years.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:30 PM (pV/54)

75 I thought Predator 2 was an underrated movie. Can't stand Danny Glover, but I was very entertained. I try to catch it anytime it's on.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at February 17, 2018 07:30 PM (rdl6o)

76 More Red Green for Hrothgar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMV-QuZCEuEapp=desktop

Posted by: DaveA at February 17, 2018 07:26 PM (FhXTo)

Noooooo!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 07:31 PM (gwPgz)

77 Underrated:
Zero Effect

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:31 PM (1vgk3)

78 Is the comic by the dumbass ta neshi whatever Coates, the same character as the black panther movie? I thought everyone had said the comics were bombing and they shelved it going forward. Now the movie is a blockbuster so will ta neshi think he's all that on a um cracker?

Posted by: NCKate at February 17, 2018 07:31 PM (xCgm1)

79 63 Yeah but it is a movie and not a...fast-paced movie. Having a hero or a grown man gives me something to hang my hat on.

If they really wanted to go weak and young, they should have cast a teenager. It wouldn't have helped but might have hammered those other themes home more.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:26 PM (xJa6I)

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It is an odd choice for an action adventure movie, but the director's cut makes it obvious that it's aiming for more than than. It's striving to be a genuine epic in the vein of Lawrence of Arabia. In that context, I think it works.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:31 PM (Jj43a)

80 Graphic, but pretty fun all the way around.
Posted by: Not Winston Churchill

Same director who did Brawl in Cell Block 99.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Which is to say, slightly more than 'graphic.'

Let's try 'gore nihilistic.'

The former isn't a western. It's a horror.

The latter isn't a crime noir story. it's a horror.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 07:31 PM (KXVP7)

81
Hands, what was there in the story of The King's Speech that would have given it an R rating?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:25 PM

F bombs

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:31 PM (EzdLW)

82 Quick underrated movie list:

The Fifth Element
David Lynch's Dune
Pitch Black -from the wife
Clue
Buckaroo Banzai
Exorcist 3
In the Mouth of Madness
The Glass Key

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:32 PM (xJa6I)

83 Movies I watched this week;
"I'll follow you down" 2013

If I mention it is a Science Fiction movie that involves time travel that will spoil the ending. So I won't mention that part.

It starts out with a Husband/Father who goes on a business trip, and doesn't return. See? You already know how this is going to end, except you don't/can't know the future because you haven't lived that part of your life yet.

It is the acting, and the characterization that drew me in. Good acting, believable characters, and the moral dilemma.

The wife is torn by the loss of her beloved husband, and as these things go, wanting something you can't have makes the want all the stronger.

The young boy grows up and moves on, to become a young man with a girlfriend and a future. The maternal grandfather feels the anguish of his daughter over her loss of her beloved husband.

What is the right thing to do here? I was surprised by the ending even though there was a hint, and now I have spoiled the ending.

The ending was very much unsatisfying for me, because we don't know how it all worked out. The future is not certain, you see.

It was entertaining, and a fun movie, and left a lot of questions unanswered.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 07:32 PM (roQNm)

84 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:29 PM (pvjTE)

See that's one I've not watched. Anyone else recommend it?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:32 PM (2DOZq)

85 74 Underrated

The original The Producers should get the aclame that Blazing Saddles and Holy Grail get.

In Bruges is one of the best flicks of the last ten years.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:30 PM (pV/54)

Underrated?

A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Forum...

Stand back, I take BIG steps...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:32 PM (NgKpN)

86 I like any movie in which Lenny Decraprio dies. Little fucker.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 07:32 PM (KP5rU)

87 The original The Producers should get the aclame that Blazing Saddles and Holy Grail get.

Agreed. But, I'm a big Mel Brooks fan.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at February 17, 2018 07:33 PM (rdl6o)

88 Put me down for preferring the Director's Cut of Blade Runner by far - I always thought the voiceovers were cheesy and unnecessary, and was glad to see a version with them cut out. The only reason they were in the original was because the Producers thought that the audience would be too stupid to figure out what was going on unless they were spoon fed it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:33 PM (V2Yro)

89 Theatrical versions of movies like "2001 a Space Odyssey", "Blade Runner"
and "Alien" were transformative. They had to be seen in their time to be really appreciated.

Posted by: Javems at February 17, 2018 07:33 PM (HlmxG)

90 The original The Producers should get the aclame that Blazing Saddles and Holy Grail get

Have you ever seen the 12 Chairs?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:33 PM (+Tibp)

91 9 Orlando Bloom was mis-cast for Kingdom of Heaven.

If we'd had Russel Crowe in the role or hell, Jason Statham, we'd have had something more interesting.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:03 PM (xJa6I)

++++

I've never enjoyed a movie with Jason Statham in it. His specialty seems to be acting with stupid intimidation in stupid movies.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (pvjTE)

92 Blade Runner - theatrical release for me.
The Abyss - Director's Cut.
Aliens - theatrical cut.
Batman v Superman - Director's cut.
Star Wars - theatrical cut.
Empire Strikes Back - theatrical cut.
Return of the Jedi - theatrical cut.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (6n332)

93 87 The original The Producers should get the aclame that Blazing Saddles and Holy Grail get.

Agreed. But, I'm a big Mel Brooks fan.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at February 17, 2018 07:33 PM (rdl6o)

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It won best original screenplay at the Oscars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (Jj43a)

94 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies. I know I've ignored watching some movies because they got bad reviews or didn't do well at the box office.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:23 PM (2DOZq)

Two of my favorites - Gattaca and Jacob's Ladder - weren't really underrated so much as overlooked. I don't know if they were released against bigger movies or what. People who have seen them usually like them, and people who see them for the first time usually ask "why have I never heard of this?". They aren't obscure or anything, just never flipped that switch when they were in theaters.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (y87Qq)

95 "The 'reassembled' Touch of Evil....isn't dramatically different "

The Evil Twins on Comet last night, two sets, two big sets.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (I+uRD)

96 88 Put me down for preferring the Director's Cut of Blade Runner by far - I always thought the voiceovers were cheesy and unnecessary, and was glad to see a version with them cut out. The only reason they were in the original was because the Producers thought that the audience would be too stupid to figure out what was going on unless they were spoon fed it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:33 PM (V2Yro)

Only Narrator I've ever liked being in a Movie???

George of the Jungle...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (NgKpN)

97 I now am convinced that the Best Star Wars movie by far is Spaceballs.

and the last scene in Spaceballs never fails to crack me up the most - even though it has nothing at all to do with the rest of the movie. Who knew you could do Alien as a comedy? Well, Mel Brooks, of course.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:35 PM (V2Yro)

98 Somebody needs to make prequels to My Dinner With Andre- My Breakfast With Andre and My Lunch With Andre.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:35 PM (5fRCd)

99 Svengoulie tonite, The mysterious island of beautiful women.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 07:35 PM (KP5rU)

100 Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (y87Qq)

Gattaca is one of my favorites but first saw it years after it had been in the theaters.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:36 PM (2DOZq)

101 Exorcist 3

I love it. There's one scene that has me on edge every single time I see it. Really sets a mood.

I read they kinda ruined it because the suits at the studio demanded they cobble on an exorcism scene which actually hurt the story.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:36 PM (+Tibp)

102 @Bandersnatch

If Deckard is a replicant, the plot makes no sense, the theme of the replicants being more human than Deckard makes no sense.

The origami unicorn means no more than the origami 'guy with a dick' figure he made earlier. It was just a character quirk and a sign to the audience that he'd been there and let Rachel go.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:36 PM (xJa6I)

103 I thought Godfather 2 was the best of the three.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:37 PM (5fRCd)

104 Somebody needs to make prequels to My Dinner With Andre- My Breakfast With Andre and My Lunch With Andre.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:35 PM (5fRCd)

The last scene of 'Waiting for Guffman' were Corky had his My Dinner with Andre action figures was hysterical

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:38 PM (SiINZ)

105
So what's on Svengoulie tonight?
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0

Berwyn!

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:38 PM (EzdLW)

106 would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.

HEAT.

Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro. A ton of others.

Fantastic movie.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:38 PM (fiGNd)

107 Drudge has a nice pic of the FL school shooter holding a pistol and wearing his red MAGA hat

Posted by: Hey! at February 17, 2018 07:38 PM (oWSah)

108 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.

"Thank You for Smoking".

I do not understand why that is not the most-memed movie at the HQ.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:38 PM (fuK7c)

109 Underrated movies:

Gattaca is fantastic - one of the most intellectual Sci Fi movies I know of (starting with the title itself)

For comedies - I love "Clifford", with Martin Short and Charles Grodin, even though it isn't rated highly by others and is seldom shown. I think it's one of the funniest movies I know.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (V2Yro)

110 TJM, did you watch the 1932 or the 1957 version of A Farewell To Arms? Haven't seen the '57 version myself, but I found the 1932 version hard to sit through, even with the presence of Gary Cooper and Helen Hayes . . .

Posted by: DynamiteDan at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (MqzWH)

111 She is a criminally underrated movie. Eris needs to post a review.

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (1vgk3)

112 Was there a definitive Godzilla?

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (5fRCd)

113 I've never enjoyed a movie with Jason Statham in it. His specialty seems to be acting with stupid intimidation in stupid movies.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (pvjTE)

I kinda like him but I won't defend his movie choices.
Just picking a name out of the hat, not a ton of masculine men who can do action anymore.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (xJa6I)

114 Underrated movies:

Slap Shot
Used Cars
Breaker Morant

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (+Tibp)

115 I like the Director's Cut of King Arthur with Clive Owens.

Posted by: buzzion at February 17, 2018 07:40 PM (cAnNx)

116 Cabaret won eight Oscars in 1973 but gets little love these days. It was on the other night on TCM and we had some good live blogging about it. Great flick. Fosse beat Coppolla for Director over The Godfather.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:40 PM (pV/54)

117 For Blade Runner, my go to cut is the 1991 Director's Cut. I hate the new teal-green color timing and extra sound effects in the Final Cut, but I'm no fan of the original cut's narration. The '91 cut has that warm Noir feel and ambiguous ending. Best of all cuts.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:40 PM (toi7g)

118 114 Underrated movies:

Slap Shot
Used Cars
Breaker Morant
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (+Tibp)

Loved Breaker Morant.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:40 PM (5fRCd)

119 110 TJM, did you watch the 1932 or the 1957 version of A Farewell To Arms? Haven't seen the '57 version myself, but I found the 1932 version hard to sit through, even with the presence of Gary Cooper and Helen Hayes . . .
Posted by: DynamiteDan at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (MqzWH)

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32

Apparently Hemingway hated it too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:40 PM (Jj43a)

120 Things to Do in Denver When Youre Dead is a fun underrated movie.

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (1vgk3)

121 *Fosse hands*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (qJtVm)

122 HEAT.

Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro. A ton of others.

Fantastic movie.

The last movie Al and Bob didn't mail in their performances.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (O5Q3r)

123 Cabaret won eight Oscars in 1973 but gets little love these days. It was on the other night on TCM and we had some good live blogging about it. Great flick. Fosse beat Coppolla for Director over The Godfather.

Posted by: Ignoramus
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It was history now it's not.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (I+uRD)

124 I've never enjoyed a movie with Jason Statham in it. His specialty seems to be acting with stupid intimidation in stupid movies.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (pvjTE)

Does that include Snatch? 'cause he doesn't do any real intimidating in that one.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (y87Qq)

125 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.

Hudson Hawk
L.A. Story
Double Indemnity

Posted by: astronaut achmed at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (PUKsa)

126 Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (1vgk3)

Banned troll. Can we get a mod?

Posted by: buzzion at February 17, 2018 07:42 PM (cAnNx)

127 The origami unicorn means no more than the origami 'guy with a dick' figure he made earlier.

It means that Deckard's unicorm dream was not his own dream, it was implanted.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:42 PM (fuK7c)

128 "If Deckard is a replicant, the plot makes no sense, the theme of the replicants being more human than Deckard makes no sense."

Disagree, because it was never "more human than Deckard". The only remaining actual humans were all cripples or disease ridden freaks, like J. F. Sebastian. The only being that would have even a chance of competing with a Nexus replicant would be another replicant - all of them were now more human than human. Because the actual human race was already failing and dying off, in that world.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:42 PM (V2Yro)

129 122 HEAT.

Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro. A ton of others.

Fantastic movie.

The last movie Al and Bob didn't mail in their performances.
Posted by: tu3031 at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (O5Q3r)

Ronin for the latter still had Deniro the actor

And half of the Devil's Advocate had actor Pacino. You can spot the EXACT moment he stopped acting and became a caricature of himself in movies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:42 PM (xJa6I)

130 Used Cars

Could be the most underrated comedy ever.

"We blew the shit out of that overpriced motherfucker!"

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2018 07:42 PM (u8Nqb)

131 Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (V2Yro)

Speaking of comedies that were panned really bad , I just recently saw Superstar. I actually thought it was very funny even though I thought the SNL sketches were just okay.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (2DOZq)

132 I, for one, liked the additional scenes in Alien and Aliens.

Vive la difference!

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (QLvwG)

133 125 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.

Hudson Hawk
L.A. Story
Double Indemnity

Posted by: astronaut achmed at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (PUKsa)

Three and Four Musketeers, with Michal York... and Raquel Welch...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (NgKpN)

134 Yeah, Hudson Hawk... definitely an acquired taste. Could have been a great movie but it never establishes its tone properly, so when things go (literally) Looney Tunes at the end, the audience just isn't ready for it or sold on it.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (toi7g)

135 112 Was there a definitive Godzilla?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wUdetAAlY

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (qJtVm)

136 I think The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence is under-rated ... just because we've talked about it here before, and I'm still surprised how many people do not think Gary Cooper is the bad guy.

#TheManWhoShotLibertyValenceSucksBalls

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (fiGNd)

137 Used Cars

Could be the most underrated comedy ever.

"We blew the shit out of that overpriced motherfucker!"
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)

And Kurt Russell bribing his way to political office!

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (+Tibp)

138 "I thought Godfather 2 was the best of the three."

I give it the edge over 1 -- a prequel and a sequel in one. The deliberate ironic contrasts give it a broader sweep.

But lightning didn't strike thrice.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (pV/54)

139 127 The origami unicorn means no more than the origami 'guy with a dick' figure he made earlier.

It means that Deckard's unicorm dream was not his own dream, it was implanted.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:42 PM (fuK7c)

There's no unicorn dream in the theatrical cut.

The unicorn dream is unused footage from 'Legend' and was never a part of the story. It's stuff Ridley Scott added on his own, over the objections of the writer and Harrison Ford.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

140 70 I could not get through the new Blade Runner.

Me, it grabbed by the throat at the very beginning and didn't let go until the end. But then y'all are well aware by now that I have no taste.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (2//jc)

141 I'd like to see "Shogun" redid as a double movie. Or perhaps a trilogy.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (w+Jhj)

142 Underrated

Raising Arizona
The Commitments

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (5fRCd)

143 Labyrinth - Any movie that has David Bowie as the Goblin King has gotta be worth some points!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (V2Yro)

144 Breaker Morant
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:39 PM (+Tibp)

Yup......great movie. Rule Three Oh Three.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 07:45 PM (EoRCO)

145 Personal fav: Director's Cut of Aliens.

The theatrical version lacks the added tension and drama - especially with the sentry hallway scene.

Posted by: astronaut achmed at February 17, 2018 07:45 PM (PUKsa)

146 Has anyone here ever seen the 1994 Roger Corman produced version of "The Fantastic Four" ?

I'm not necessarily claiming to have seen it **ahem**. After all, I've read that it's only available on bootlegged recordings. Could be mistaken, though.

Apparently, at first, Marvel denied that this film ever existed. When they were confronted with the footage in the films trailer they changed their mind and said it was a pilot for a TV show that was never commissioned. Finally when the film found it's way onto the internet several years later via a bootleg VHS copy they reluctantly admitted it's existence although no film prints are known to be in existence.
-- IMDb
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109770/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:45 PM (EzdLW)

147 Also criminally underrated: Vampire Kiss. Literally the peak of Nick Cage insanity.

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:45 PM (1vgk3)

148 Under rated comedy is "Innerspace".

Posted by: Javems at February 17, 2018 07:45 PM (HlmxG)

149 108 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.

"Thank You for Smoking".

I do not understand why that is not the most-memed movie at the HQ.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:38 PM (fuK7c)

Word.

Posted by: Nick Nailer at February 17, 2018 07:45 PM (kBuGL)

150 Another movie I feel is underrated is Gallipoli.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (5fRCd)

151 141 I'd like to see "Shogun" redid as a double movie. Or perhaps a trilogy.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (w+Jhj)

Yeah... but now it would have to be...

SHEGun.... the story of the first Transexual Samurai Ruler of Japan...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (NgKpN)

152
I'd like to see "Shogun" redid as a double movie. Or perhaps a trilogy.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert

Double barreled Shogun

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (IqV8l)

153 124 I've never enjoyed a movie with Jason Statham in it. His specialty seems to be acting with stupid intimidation in stupid movies.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:34 PM (pvjTE)

Does that include Snatch? 'cause he doesn't do any real intimidating in that one.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (y87Qq)

++++

Good point. I stand corrected. It's the movies where he's the star that really bore me.

Snatch was an interesting and enjoyable film.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (pvjTE)

154 We are all going to agree under threat of Yoko-ing that the Godfather saga ended after two movies.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (u8Nqb)

155 "The unicorn dream is unused footage from 'Legend' and was never a part
of the story."

Internet urban legend. And anyone who has seen Legend can tell the Blade Runner footage did not come from there. However, the rumor that footage from The Shining was used for the ending of the original cut is 100% true.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (toi7g)

156 Dennis Farina's role in Snatch--rate cinematic perfection.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (u8Nqb)

157 Hudson Hawk is pretty good in act 1, with the chemistry between Bruce Willis and Danny Aiello. But then it just goes totally off the rails and sucks donkey balls.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (EzdLW)

158 Drudge has a nice pic of the FL school shooter holding a pistol and wearing his red MAGA hat

Posted by: Hey! at February 17, 2018 07:38 PM (oWSah)
Good. Make sure you keep us posted on whatever else you find out. Okay, Scoops?

Posted by: tu3031 at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (O5Q3r)

159 Another movie I feel is underrated is Gallipoli.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (5fRCd)

Great Movie ... liked it a lot.

Mel really could act in his day.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (fiGNd)

160 Missed: The Ritz with
Jack Weston, Rita Moreno, Jerry Stiller, Kaye Ballard, and F. Murray Abraham

A comedy involving the mofia and marriage situated in a gay bathhouse NYC. It's a pre PC movie.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (I+uRD)

161 Underrated...

Eddie and the Cruisers 2, Eddie Lives...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (NgKpN)

162 128 "If Deckard is a replicant, the plot makes no sense, the theme of the replicants being more human than Deckard makes no sense."

Disagree, because it was never "more human than Deckard". The only remaining actual humans were all cripples or disease ridden freaks, like J. F. Sebastian. The only being that would have even a chance of competing with a Nexus replicant would be another replicant - all of them were now more human than human. Because the actual human race was already failing and dying off, in that world.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:42 PM (V2Yro)

There's plenty of humans out on the streets. They just aren't white dudes.

Look, if Deckard is a replicant, the police would have treated him differently. Their performances don't reflect 'real' people dealing with a replicant.

And the whole 'can't compete with a replicant' is part of the tension of the story. Frankly Deckard gets his ass kicked by the replicants every time he goes up against them. He shoots one woman in the back, after she'd kicked his ass. He shoots Priss with a lucky shot when she's prancing around showing off. Leon gets killed by Rachel, after Deckard gets kicked around some more. And Roy flat out wins his fight vs Deckard and choses to let him live.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (xJa6I)

163 Another movie I feel is underrated is Gallipoli.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (5fRCd)
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Awesome movie.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (6n332)

164 Another movie I feel is underrated is Gallipoli.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem

(Spoken in an almost incomprehensible Aussie accent) These Gypos are a pack of thieves.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM (+Tibp)

165 150 Another movie I feel is underrated is Gallipoli.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (5fRCd)

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When Peter Weir is on, he's fantastic.

This is one where he was fantastic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM (Jj43a)

166 Underrated Eastwood movie would be "Escape from Alcatraz".

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM (w+Jhj)

167 153 Good point. I stand corrected. It's the movies where he's the star that really bore me.

Snatch was an interesting and enjoyable film.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (pvjTE)

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The Bank Job is quite entertaining.

Also Collateral, because a cameo totally makes it a Jason Statham movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:49 PM (Jj43a)

168 Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM

How do you feel about Picnic at Hanging Rock?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:49 PM (toi7g)

169 >>>Mel really could act in his day.

Attack Force Z was also an underrated movie. Good WW2 action.
I think Mel has done film on every war.

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:49 PM (1vgk3)

170 "Thank You for Smoking".

I do not understand why that is not the most-memed movie at the HQ.

I love that movie.

Has anyone ever heard of a comedy, "Head Office?"

Best Line is by Jane Seymour:

"I wouldn't be much of an executive if I screwed my way to the bottom."

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at February 17, 2018 07:49 PM (rdl6o)

171 There's plenty of humans out on the streets. They just aren't white dudes.

Look, if Deckard is a replicant, the police would have treated him differently. Their performances don't reflect 'real' people dealing with a replicant.

And the whole 'can't compete with a replicant' is part of the tension of the story. Frankly Deckard gets his ass kicked by the replicants every time he goes up against them. He shoots one woman in the back, after she'd kicked his ass. He shoots Priss with a lucky shot when she's prancing around showing off. Leon gets killed by Rachel, after Deckard gets kicked around some more. And Roy flat out wins his fight vs Deckard and choses to let him live.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (xJa6I)

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Amen brother!

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (6n332)

172 Saw Clint Eastwood's 15:17 to Paris. Well done story telling. The theatre got a bit dusty at the end with the French President's speech.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (QLvwG)

173 The Godfather Saga is a good example of bad "new" versions. It's GF 1 and deuce re-cut in chronological sequence and with added scenes.

Some of the added scenes are cool, you want more Godfather and if you fetishize the movies then more is better. Some of them are bad, though, as they undercut the meaning of the original story arc.

There's one where somebody is seen at home with his wife talking about how afraid of the Godfather he is. I forget if it's the undertaker or Enzo the baker. In either case it takes away from the power of the original scene.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (fuK7c)

174 Tin Men

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (I+uRD)

175 Speaking of Gallipoli. The star was Gibson. Who played the blonde guy who was killed?

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (5fRCd)

176 I'd like to see "Shogun" redid as a double movie. Or perhaps a trilogy.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (w+Jhj)

Was the miniseries any good? I liked the book (and the Infocom game!), but never saw the miniseries.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (y87Qq)

177 Underrated Eastwood movie would be "Escape from Alcatraz".
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM (w+Jhj)

Is his right hand cupped ?

Show me what you can do.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (fiGNd)

178 What I saw as the problem with Bladerunner 2049 - they got the story right, they got the world right, they got the feel right. But I have seen it said that the best movies, the best dramas are always the one that have the best VILLAINS, not the best protagonists! Bond movies have always known this, Marvel knows this, Dr. Who knows this. Darth Vader was more responsible for the success of Star Wars than any other character.

A hero cannot be successful unless his opponent is at least as good as he is, and that means fully formed, intelligent, fascinating. In the original Bladerunner, Roy Batty was all of these things, and in fact the central emotional journey of the story is Roy Batty's journey, more than anyone elses. That is what the audience keys into, reacts to.

The villains in Bladerunner 2049 were one dimensional carcboard cutouts, no journey, no interest. Luv dies having changed not a bit, she truly did just play the part of Bad Robot, and bad robots may be scary, but they're boring. That is the one character that Bladerunner 2049 didn't have, and its lack killed the emotional inensity of the entire movie.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (V2Yro)

179 "Drudge has a nice pic of the FL school shooter holding a pistol and wearing his red MAGA hat

Posted by: Hey!"

An airsoft pistol. And he's also got a pic or him wearing a tshirt with all the marxist "heroes" on it. So what?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (w+Jhj)

180

Over rated movie : Schwarzenegger's "Commando".

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (roQNm)

181 @41 - in fairness to me, the way the post was presented seemed just about Blade Runner. When I clicked on "Comments" it dropped me at the bottom and I didn't know{/i] there was anything after that.

But I apologize anyway for not reading the full content. I'll be aware (or "woke") next week at this same time, same channel for "The movie thread."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (l9m7l)

182 underrated: Streets of Fire

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (2//jc)

183 I think Brad Pitt is an underrated actor because of his pretty boy image. Kalifornia is Oscar worthy all the away around.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (2DOZq)

184 >>>Underrated Eastwood movie would be "Escape from Alcatraz".

Made me remember Remo Williams.

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (1vgk3)

185 I picked up Kingdom Of Heaven on Blu-ray a few years ago. The director's cut. I hated it. I don't care, the movie sucked.

Saw Blade Runner for the first time a couple of years ago in one of those Fathom Event showings. I think it was the Final Cut version. Really enjoyed it, but man it bore almost zero relation to the book.

Fellowship Of The Ring: Extended Edition. Now there's a cut that I really enjoyed. I was initially ed by the original theatrical release butI was head over heels for the extended version. I thought it was a massive improvement.

As for Superman II I don't think Donner actually did anything. I think it was someone else who edited that cut together and Donner just sort of gave it his blessing. I think this is explained in the special features.

Posted by: Robert, This Side Up at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (ayUOl)

186 168 Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM

How do you feel about Picnic at Hanging Rock?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:49 PM (toi7g)

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That it's been too long since I've seen it, but that I remember loving it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (Jj43a)

187 "Was the miniseries any good? I liked the book (and the Infocom game!), but never saw the miniseries."

In fact, I rate "Shogun" as one of the best miniseries ever produced, of any genre. It did the book justice, and that is saying something.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (V2Yro)

188 155 "The unicorn dream is unused footage from 'Legend' and was never a part
of the story."

Internet urban legend. And anyone who has seen Legend can tell the Blade Runner footage did not come from there. However, the rumor that footage from The Shining was used for the ending of the original cut is 100% true.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (toi7g)

Well, pick your internet rumor. Multiple sources say it was, the director of photography is on the record saying he never shot the unicorn scene.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (xJa6I)

189 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.

Not under-rated just unseen: The Lives of Others.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 07:52 PM (KXVP7)

190 182 underrated: Streets of Fire

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (2//jc)

Sound track is great.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:52 PM (2DOZq)

191 Underrated-

The Fifth Element
Big Trouble in Little China

Posted by: weirdflunky at February 17, 2018 07:52 PM (PV1pR)

192 The Commitments

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (5fRCd)

Yes!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 07:52 PM (gwPgz)

193 I bought Picnic at Hanging Rock on a whim; blind purchase. It's been sitting on my shelf for months but I just haven't carved out time to watch it.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (toi7g)

194 150 Another movie I feel is underrated is Gallipoli.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:46 PM (5fRCd)

My parents took me to see that when it came out so I was 11-12 around that.

The last 10-15 minutes is soul shattering.

What we're my parents thinking? I walked out there like someone shot me.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (4ErVI)

195 Easy explanation for "Thank You for Smoking." No one went to see it because they figured it was going to wind up being a dumb truth.org anti-smoking propaganda preach-fest.

Posted by: buzzion at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (cAnNx)

196 Another underrated Eastwood movie: Firefox

Clint sneaks into cold war RUSSIA to steal a prototype fighter jet.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (EzdLW)

197 Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (V2Yro)

Great point...

Would Diehard have been good without Hans?

Sherlock Holmes without Moriarity?

The list could go on and on.... but as I said..

GREAT Point...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (NgKpN)

198 181 @41 - in fairness to me, the way the post was presented seemed just about Blade Runner. When I clicked on "Comments" it dropped me at the bottom and I didn't know{/i] there was anything after that.

But I apologize anyway for not reading the full content. I'll be aware (or "woke") next week at this same time, same channel for "The movie thread."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (l9m7l)

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All in good fun, brother.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (Jj43a)

199 178 ...said that the best movies, the best dramas are always the one that have the best VILLAINS, not the best protagonists! Bond movies have always known this, Marvel knows this, Dr. Who knows this. Darth Vader was more responsible for the success of Star Wars than any other character.

A hero cannot be successful unless his opponent is at least as good as he is, and that means fully formed, intelligent, fascinating. In the original Bladerunner, Roy Batty was all of these things, and in fact the central emotional journey of the story is Roy Batty's journey, more than anyone elses. That is what the audience keys into, reacts to.

...
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (V2Yro)

I haven't seen 2049 but I wanted to call this out.

THIS is one hundred precent right, Tom.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (xJa6I)

200 I think Brad Pitt is an underrated actor because of his pretty boy image.

I wish I could remember who to credit but I stole this too long ago. "Brad Pitt is a character actor trapped in a leading man's body".

I think he's getting more respect as he ages out of being so pretty.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:54 PM (fuK7c)

201 The Commitments

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:44 PM (5fRCd)

Yes!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 07:52 PM (gwPgz)

Also an excellent soundtrack album (surprising nobody).

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:54 PM (y87Qq)

202 Big Trouble In Little China.

Posted by: Eromero at February 17, 2018 07:54 PM (zLDYs)

203 Now for a director's cut I can almost do without, I think that privilege goes to Amadeus.

I think the director's cut really doesn't add much of anything, save for explain why Mozart's wife hates Salieri's guts (she almost sleeps with him but he humiliated her instead). The theatrical version is, to me, perfect as is.

Posted by: Robert, This Side Up at February 17, 2018 07:54 PM (ayUOl)

204 Mel really could act in his day.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (fiGNd)

I wonder what became of the other fella, the main character......he was good too.

I don't think I ever saw him in a movie again.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 07:54 PM (EoRCO)

205 Gallipoli, good film.

How fast can you run?
As fast as a leopard.
How fast are you going to run?
As fast as a leopard!

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (EzdLW)

206 The Lost Boys

Posted by: weirdflunky at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (PV1pR)

207 I'm going to answer my own question. The blonde guy in Gallipoli was played by Mark Lee.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (5fRCd)

208 In fact, I rate "Shogun" as one of the best miniseries ever produced, of any genre. It did the book justice, and that is saying something.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 07:51 PM (V2Yro)[/]

I rate this opinion a One.

And they put that shit out in ... what ... 1980 per my Google ?

I invite everyone to go back, spin that shit up, and just watch. The costumes. The production values. The depth of the mulitple plots.

Nineteen ... God Damn ... Eighty.

Fantastic Cinema. Way ahead of it's time.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (fiGNd)

209 I think The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence is under-rated ... just because we've talked about it here before, and I'm still surprised how many people do not think Gary Cooper is the bad guy.

#TheManWhoShotLibertyValenceSucksBalls

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (fiGNd)

You'd be more surprised at how many people don't think Gary Cooper is in the Man Who Shot Liberty Valence

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (SiINZ)

210 195 Easy explanation for "Thank You for Smoking." No one went to see it because they figured it was going to wind up being a dumb truth.org anti-smoking propaganda preach-fest.
Posted by: buzzion at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (cAnNx)

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Double feature:

The Insider
Thank You for Smoking

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (Jj43a)

211 Why doesn'e someone do a movied on how stuped Trump is ??????

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (hqQ+Q)

212

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (fiGNd)

213 193 I bought Picnic at Hanging Rock on a whim; blind purchase. It's been sitting on my shelf for months but I just haven't carved out time to watch it.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (toi7g)

Great atmosphere. Really amazing. Zamfir pan flute soundtrack.

The movie is frustrating because ultimately we don't know what happened. There are hints dropped all over the place, often contradictory, and there is a sense of well shit that kinda sucks at the end.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 07:56 PM (4ErVI)

214 156 Dennis Farina's role in Snatch--rate cinematic perfection.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2018 07:47 PM (u8Nqb)

Totally

Snatch and Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels are two of my favorite movies

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:56 PM (xJa6I)

215 "Was the miniseries any good? I liked the book (and the Infocom game!), but never saw the miniseries.

Posted by: hogmartin"

I have the miniseries on DVD. It's good, but they cut out a LOT of stuff, and most of the sex. They also moved around when certain characters were introduced, and completely removed others.

And in the very first scene of the series, they are doing a long range shot of the Erasmus from a helicopter, and you can see the shadow of the copter on the water in front of the ship!

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:56 PM (w+Jhj)

216 Underrated-

October Sky
The Long Good Friday
Goon
Cop Land
The Cincinnati Kid

Posted by: tu3031 at February 17, 2018 07:56 PM (O5Q3r)

217 Go home Mary, you're drunk

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:56 PM (xJa6I)

218 Why doesn'e someone do a movied on how stuped Trump is ??????

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (hqQ+Q)

Just watch Jimmy Kibble every night. QED

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 07:56 PM (QLvwG)

219 Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:54 PM (fuK7c)

Have you seen Kalifornia ? If so, am I over selling Pitt's performance? Because you know sometimes I can't see the forest cause of the trees

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (2DOZq)

220 .said that the best movies, the best dramas are always the one that have the best VILLAINS, not the best protagonists! Bond movies have always known this, Marvel knows this, Dr. Who knows this. Darth Vader was more responsible for the success of Star Wars than any other character.

Not the more recent vintage ones. The bad guys minus Casino Royale have been awful

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (SiINZ)

221 209
You'd be more surprised at how many people don't think Gary Cooper is in the Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (SiINZ)

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I did think that Cooper looked a whole lot like Jimmy Stewart in that...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (Jj43a)

222 The Fifth Element

Original story, excellent casting, great pacing, funny moments, good action, memorable dialogue and one of the last films where Bruce Willis actually gave a damn...

Posted by: astronaut achmed at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (PUKsa)

223 Saw Clint Eastwood's 15:17 to Paris. Well done story telling. The theatre got a bit dusty at the end with the French President's speech.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 07:50 PM (QLvwG)

I'm going to violate my "no contributions" to a movie industry that hates both me and America and go to see 15:17 to Paris.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (gwPgz)

224 omg, yes, October Sky.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 07:58 PM (fuK7c)

225 Jimmy Rabbitte: Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:58 PM (pV/54)

226 You'd be more surprised at how many people don't think Gary Cooper is in the Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (SiINZ)

Ha ... Jimmy Stewart ... Gary Cooper ...

... yeah - they don't even look alike. My fuck up.

Movie would have been much better if John Wayne glanced a bullet off Jimmy Stewart into Gary Cooper. Now THAT would have been entertainment !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:58 PM (fiGNd)

227 221 209
You'd be more surprised at how many people don't think Gary Cooper is in the Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (SiINZ)

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I did think that Cooper looked a whole lot like Jimmy Stewart in that...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (Jj43a)

Brian Dennehey was great as the Winchester

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (xJa6I)

228 I didn't think Where the Boys Aren't 17 needed a Director's Cut. It made it seem tawdry and gratuitous.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (NWiLs)

229 Bruce Willis soon to reappear in vigilante pron remake Death Wish.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (QLvwG)

230 Was the miniseries any good? I liked the book (and the Infocom game!), but never saw the miniseries.
Posted by: hogmartin

In fact, I rate "Shogun" as one of the best miniseries ever produced, of any genre. It did the book justice, and that is saying something.
Posted by: Tom Servo

It was a good series if you can get over the ye old 80's cinematography/direction.

Similarly, Tai-Pan, with extra doses of 80's costume insanity on top.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (KXVP7)

231 Original story, excellent casting, great pacing, funny moments, good action, memorable dialogue and one of the last films where Bruce Willis actually gave a damn...
Posted by: astronaut achmed at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (PUKsa)

All of those, plus bringing it full circle back to Brad Pitt being a solid actor: 12 Monkeys.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (y87Qq)

232 Posted by: tu3031

You had me at Goon

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:00 PM (+Tibp)

233 Every time I listen to Albinoni's Adagio I mentally replay the scene from Gallipoli with the colonel writing letters to surviving family-haunting scene and music.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 08:00 PM (5fRCd)

234 231
All of those, plus bringing it full circle back to Brad Pitt being a solid actor: 12 Monkeys.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (y87Qq)

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Babel was when I figured out that he's more than a pretty face. He's good in that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:00 PM (Jj43a)

235 I did think that Cooper looked a whole lot like Jimmy Stewart in that...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (Jj43a)

In the remake ... The Man Who Popped Claymores Because Jimmy Stewart Pisses Him Off ... well, I think I just gave away the plot.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:00 PM (fiGNd)

236 229 Bruce Willis soon to reappear in vigilante pron remake Death Wish.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (QLvwG)

I don't like it. Saw the trailer and such.

I'm a YUGE Charles Bronson fan though so that's where most of it is coming from.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (4ErVI)

237 Pitt was good in Spy Games, if a Tony Scott movie can be underrated (ok, Last Boy Scout, so maybe so).

Posted by: Ccqesg Zxusee Tin at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (1vgk3)

238 235
In the remake ... The Man Who Popped Claymores Because Jimmy Stewart Pisses Him Off ... well, I think I just gave away the plot.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:00 PM (fiGNd)

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Not as bad as giving away the ending to The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford...

Oops. I gave it away.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (Jj43a)

239 Why doesn'e someone do a movied on how stuped Trump is ??????

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 17, 2018 07:55 PM (hqQ+Q)

dunno. Everyone knows that movies are a gamble. A crapshoot. You could lose it all and not have a way to leave Las Vegas.

Posted by: Exile at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (Fikbq)

240 I'm going to violate my "no contributions" to a movie industry that hates both me and America and go to see 15:17 to Paris.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (gwPgz)

Take a look at '12 Strong' as well....

I was very pleasantly surprised.....

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (NgKpN)

241 The Man Who Shot Sergeant York

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (QLvwG)

242 TJM, do director's cuts typically add scenes and lengthen the running time, or cut them and shorten the time?

I'm just thinking of all the writing advice I've read that tells fledgling writers to cut and cut again.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (EzdLW)

243 193 I bought Picnic at Hanging Rock on a whim; blind purchase. It's been sitting on my shelf for months but I just haven't carved out time to watch it.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:53 PM (toi7g)
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A beautifully creepy film. Prim Victorians in primitive Australia.

I need to see this again.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (qJtVm)

244 Oh and special thanks to whoever suggested the anime series Nichijou to me. It was weird and wonderful and I loved it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (xJa6I)

245 Movie would have been much better if John Wayne glanced a bullet off Jimmy Stewart into Gary Cooper. Now THAT would have been entertainment !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 07:58 PM (fiGNd)

Just funnin' with you. But yeah, I didn't like Stewart's character in the movie. The Duke does all of the work and Jimmy gets all the credit, glory and the girl. But I guess that's life sometimes. It's a great movie though.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (SiINZ)

246 Heads up to the ONTers Bonny and Clyde is on around 2am on Turner classic and then tomorrow afternoon is Cool Hand Luke

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (aC6Sd)

247 Master and Commander deserved a bigger audience. Didn't catch on. Possibly Russell Crowe's best role

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (pV/54)

248 241 The Man Who Shot Sergeant York
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (QLvwG)

Heh. Good one .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (2DOZq)

249
I have all the Charles Bronson 'Death Wish' movies, except maybe number two which is said to be the good one.

I like Charles Bronson and the characters he plays, but those Death Wish movies don't age well. They were something when they were new, but not thirty years later.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (roQNm)

250 The Man Who Burned Jimmy Stewarts Law Books Because Nobody Gives Two Shits About That Lame Assed Crap Around Here ...

... is one of my guilty pleasures. It stars Gary Cooper. Only available on Super 8.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (fiGNd)

251
In the remake ... The Man Who Popped Claymores Because Jimmy Stewart Pisses Him Off ... well, I think I just gave away the plot.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:00 PM (fiGNd)

Heh

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (xJa6I)

252 242 TJM, do director's cuts typically add scenes and lengthen the running time, or cut them and shorten the time?

I'm just thinking of all the writing advice I've read that tells fledgling writers to cut and cut again.
Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (EzdLW)

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Typically, it's just addition, but there are definitely exceptions.

Oliver Stone's first recut if Alexander was a few minutes shorter than the theatrical cut.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (Jj43a)

253 The Man Who Shot Lou Gehrig

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (QLvwG)

254 Posted by: Alibaba Suggested Purchases at February 17, 2018 07:22 PM (rdl6o)

Never see it. Never speak of it. It will destroy your life, bore you, confuse you, make you angry, make you cry, and then forget you exist, all just in time for you to decide to end it all. Other than that, great movie.

Posted by: Mega at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (rv0Fo)

255 I'm a YUGE Charles Bronson fan though so that's where most of it is coming from.

May I be gay for a moment? This is going to be really gay.

Have you seen Chato's Land? Charles Bronson is an injun reclaiming his identity so he takes off his clothes and runs away from the law wearing a loincloth for the whole movie.

Holy shit what a body. Pre-steroids, pre-freaks, just wow look what a human can look like.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (fuK7c)

256 I'm a YUGE Charles Bronson fan though so that's where most of it is coming from.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (4ErVI)

Gratuitous remake. No one can do Bronson like Bronson!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (gwPgz)

257 Also, Picnic at Hanging Rock had eerily beautiful pan flute music by Zamphir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m-6bU4x7us

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:04 PM (qJtVm)

258
omg, yes, October Sky.

That's what my date on the hay ride kept saying. Ah, good times. *reminisces*

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:04 PM (EzdLW)

259 The Man Who Shot Lou Gehrig

and...away we go.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 17, 2018 08:04 PM (O5Q3r)

260 May I be gay for a moment? This is going to be really gay.
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You're pretty enough to carry it off, Bander.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:04 PM (qJtVm)

261 Black panther is racist.

Posted by: Vincent at February 17, 2018 08:04 PM (FTPVM)

262 deserved a bigger audience. Didn't catch on. Possibly Russell Crowe's best role
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (pV/54)

A man's movie and marketed for a male audience.

Posted by: Monk at February 17, 2018 08:05 PM (g4lFK)

263 Posted by: Don Quixote at February 17, 2018 08:01 PM (NgKpN)

Yes, from what I've heard, that should be another of my exceptions!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:06 PM (gwPgz)

264 "I've never enjoyed a movie with Jason Statham in it. His specialty seems to be acting with stupid intimidation in stupid movies."

He was hysterical in "Spy," which is one of my top 10 comedies.

Another director's cut I love is the one the studio made of "Brazil." Really peps it up and gives it the happy ending it deserved.

.....what?

Posted by: Uma Thurmond's Feet at February 17, 2018 08:06 PM (28srT)

265
I'm still surprised how many people do not think Gary Cooper is the bad guy

Yup.

Posted by: Zombier Gary Cooper at February 17, 2018 08:06 PM (EzdLW)

266 Winter's Bone is excellent

Posted by: keena at February 17, 2018 08:06 PM (RiTnx)

267 Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (SiINZ)

Jimmy Stewart went out to face the bad guy when no one else would knowing he would probably die. How can people find fault with him?

John Wayne though shot the bad guy from the shadows instead of confronting him face to face. I do find something wrong with that.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (2DOZq)

268 262 deserved a bigger audience. Didn't catch on. Possibly Russell Crowe's best role
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (pV/54)

A man's movie and marketed for a male audience.
Posted by: Monk at February 17, 2018 08:05 PM (g4lFK)

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I saw that in theaters and heard a guy walking out saying that nothing really happened in the movie. I was confused because I found it so full of life and wonder.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (Jj43a)

269 I've read that a Peckinpaugh movie with Charlton Heston called Major Dundee was a different movie and far more compelling when Peck added about 5 more minutes, like two scenes. I've never seen the extended cut though.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (+Tibp)

270 Regardless your favorite version of Blade Runner, the final scene with Rutger Hauer..."tears in the rain"

"I've seen things..."

Among the best ever.

Posted by: Ironbill at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (pcw2/)

271 266 Winter's Bone is excellent
Posted by: keena at February 17, 2018 08:06 PM (RiTnx)

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That's what I hear. I look forward to seeing it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:08 PM (Jj43a)

272 what was the charles bronson/lee marvin movie set in canada? classic.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:08 PM (KP5rU)

273 Also Collateral, because a cameo totally makes it a Jason Statham movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 07:49 PM (Jj43a)

++++

Heh. I didn't even buy Cruise in that movie and I'm not Cruise hater.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 08:08 PM (pvjTE)

274 Speaking of Ridley Scott, I recently saw Alien: Covenant. Frankly, it was disappointing and annoying in this sense: it was simply a remake of Prometheus. There's Evil David, like the Democrats, subverting and sabotaging everything and everyone is oblivious to it until it is too late. The look and feel of Covenant is a bit different from Prometheus, but otherwise it's pretty much the same film. It doesn't answer any of the questions Prometheus raised. It even comes with a convenient out (David destroys the Engineer home planet with their own bioweapon).

After a bit of reading on wikipedia, the reason is apparent: Scott wants to do a prequel *trilogy*. Prometheus, Covenant and Covenant 2. So he's saving the reveal for the next film. He's trying to milk this for all it's worth. Doesn't matter to me, I'll just wait until it shows up at the library.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 17, 2018 08:08 PM (/qEW2)

275 Skandia Recluse @ 249 Death Wish didn't age well?
Hell, We're living in Death Wish conditions right now. I really like the Charles Bronson movies (including Mr. Majestyk), but bring it on, Mel!

Posted by: Eromero at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (zLDYs)

276 Charles Bronson grew up digging coal in PA. Who needs steroids.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (pV/54)

277 Escape from Witch Mountain

Posted by: Vincent at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (FTPVM)

278 A man's movie and marketed for a male audience.

Posted by: Monk at February 17, 2018 08:05 PM (g4lFK)

Not enough nancy boys in there to attract the millennials.

I had read many an O'Brian book before I went to see that and thought it was a great movie. It should have had a M & C Part Deux!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (gwPgz)

279 "I guess I look like a rock quarry that someone has dynamited."
-- Charles Bronson

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (EzdLW)

280 I had already overdone the Ridley Scott ness of the post, so I kept out Legend.

I've never seen the theatrical cut but have seen the director's cut and really like it. I've read from people who have seen both that the director's cut fixes a fair bit of what's wrong with the theatrical.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (Jj43a)

281 249
I have all the Charles Bronson 'Death Wish' movies, except maybe number two which is said to be the good one.

I like Charles Bronson and the characters he plays, but those Death Wish movies don't age well. They were something when they were new, but not thirty years later.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 08:03 PM (roQNm)

The second one is really grim and ugly. Really ugly. There's a rape scene where a gang of goons rape and murder Bronson's maid. Not as bad as the one in that Noe film, but for the time pretty shocking. It's hard to find it uncut. The dvd I watched about ten years ago had a cut version of it. I think it might be on youtube though.

One of the goons was played by Larry Fishburne.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (4ErVI)

282 Gilligan does Marrianne

Posted by: Vincent at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (FTPVM)

283 Speaking of Lee Marvin and Charles Bronson, Death Hunt is a favorite of mine.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:09 PM (2DOZq)

284 Snatch is awesome. Very rewatchable. Gets funnier and funnier.

Also a great story, very good acting, and Jason Statham being normal.

Posted by: Mega at February 17, 2018 08:10 PM (rv0Fo)

285 I easily have Master and Commander as a top 10 war movie favorite

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2018 08:10 PM (aC6Sd)

286 The first Death Wish movie is a drama.

The sequels are action movies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 08:11 PM (xJa6I)

287 didn't think Where the Boys Aren't 17 needed a Director's Cut. It made it seem tawdry and gratuitous.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 07:59 PM (NWiLs)

This is insulting to my art and craft.

Posted by: Chi Chi LaRue at February 17, 2018 08:11 PM (g4lFK)

288 Good to see you, Monk. I was worried.

Posted by: Mega at February 17, 2018 08:11 PM (rv0Fo)

289 Brokeback Mountain
Easily mounts the top ten

Posted by: Vincent at February 17, 2018 08:11 PM (FTPVM)

290 272 what was the charles bronson/lee marvin movie set in canada? classic.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:08 PM (KP5rU)

Yup. Death Hunt. Based on a true story which is absolutely insane and did happen.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:12 PM (4ErVI)

291 Kindltot at February 17, 2018 02:16 PM

Jody Foster did a vigilante movie, "The Brave One."
They spend too much time on the set up, but the rest of the movie is pretty good.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 08:12 PM (roQNm)

292 John Wayne though shot the bad guy from the shadows instead of confronting him face to face. I do find something wrong with that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (2DOZq)

Lee Marvin applauds your sense of fair play ... and would love to shoot your dumb ass through the gills for your nobility.

Hence ... the movie.

Some people enjoy Golf - as a method of judging people's character. Personally ... I find reactions to The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance ... and Cool Hand Luke ... equally instructive.

Gary Cooper should have been in the movie ... I wonder how his typical character would have played it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:12 PM (fiGNd)

293 283; Death Hunt, that's the one I was thinking of. Great movie.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (KP5rU)

294 How about hobo rail jumper Lee Marvin vs. vicious train conductor Ernest Borgnine in Emperor of the North?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (qJtVm)

295 The guy who played the doctor in M&C has some range in the characters he has played . I don't even know his name though. He needs a better publicist.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (2DOZq)

296

I prefer the version of Blade Runner without the narration, without the happy ending and without the dream sequence. Whatever version that was hit all the right marks for me.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (qGuLD)

297 Death Hunt, that's the one I was thinking of. Great movie.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (KP5rU)

Gary Cooper carried that flick ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (fiGNd)

298 Jody Foster did a vigilante movie, "The Brave One."
They spend too much time on the set up, but the rest of the movie is pretty good.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 08:12 PM (roQNm)

She made another movie where she was a pinball wizard.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (4ErVI)

299 How about hobo rail jumper Lee Marvin vs. vicious train conductor Ernest Borgnine in Emperor of the North?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (qJtVm)

Yup....A Number 1!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (EoRCO)

300 Good to see you, Monk. I was worried.
Posted by: Mega at February 17, 2018 08:11 PM (rv0Fo)

Lack of sleep for over a week and bad dehydration. I'm much better and chillin.

Thanks!

Posted by: Chi Chi LaRue at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (g4lFK)

301 295 The guy who played the doctor in M&C has some range in the characters he has played . I don't even know his name though. He needs a better publicist.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (2DOZq)

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Paul Bettany

Plays Vision and Jarvis in the Marvel movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (Jj43a)

302 I've read that a Peckinpaugh movie with Charlton Heston called Major Dundee was a different movie and far more compelling when Peck added about 5 more minutes, like two scenes. I've never seen the extended cut though.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (+Tibp)

I like that movie. I didn't know there was an extended cut

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (SiINZ)

303 Man who shot Liberty Valance:

John Wayne = Good Guy

Lee Marvin = Bad Guy

Jimmy Stewart = Plucky Comic Relief who actually isn't very funny and who isn't very plucky either, he just whines the whole time and washes dishes. And somehow ends up outliving everyone else and gets the girl because she's an idiot and feels sorry for him. And probably because she wants someone who she knows she can run as her little puppet for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (V2Yro)

304 I really think I need to stop following this thread. If I started copying down recommendations for good watchable quality movies, like I do for books in the Book Thread, I'd be watching movies 24/7 for weeks!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (gwPgz)

305 297; That was Seka.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (KP5rU)

306 Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:12 PM (fiGNd)

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Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

307 134 Yeah, Hudson Hawk... definitely an acquired taste. Could have been a great movie but it never establishes its tone properly, so when things go (literally) Looney Tunes at the end, the audience just isn't ready for it or sold on it.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 07:43 PM (toi7g)

Two Words: Sandra Bernhard

Posted by: Not Winston Churchill at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (qiIWP)

308 I was watching Mel Gibson's Payback on Netflix, and thought I had lost my mind. The villain was some chick, when I CLEARLY remembered it being Chris Kerstoferson. It turns out I was watching the "Director's Cut", which was ... unsatisfying. They completely changed the last third of the movie. I cannot even watch the original film anymore, as far as I know.

Posted by: Jim T at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (i2Dd+)

309 Two movies that definitely are better with the directors cut are Sergio Leone's Once Upon a Time movies (in the West and in America). Both of them were heavily edited for US release, but the full director's cuts are now available and immensely superior.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 08:16 PM (pvjTE)

310 302 I've read that a Peckinpaugh movie with Charlton Heston called Major Dundee was a different movie and far more compelling when Peck added about 5 more minutes, like two scenes. I've never seen the extended cut though.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (+Tibp)
I like that movie. I didn't know there was an extended cut.

I think they added the scene where Major Dundee fights a crocodile with a bowie knife.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:16 PM (V2Yro)

311 Paul Bettany

Plays Vision and Jarvis in the Marvel movies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (Jj43a)

Nevertheless, he is a very good actor.

(Not a superhero movie fan)

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at February 17, 2018 08:16 PM (IMacf)

312 294 How about hobo rail jumper Lee Marvin vs. vicious train conductor Ernest Borgnine in Emperor of the North?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (qJtVm)

I need to see that one. Lee Marvin is always good and of course Ernest Borgnine might well be one of the greatest I'll do it I like to work actors that ever lived.

That made me think of The Hitcher. C. Thomas Howell and Jennifer Jason Leigh make the mistake of picking up Rutger Hauer on the road and, well, all hell breaks loose.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:16 PM (4ErVI)

313 off ironic ghey porno lesbian director dirty sock

Posted by: Monk at February 17, 2018 08:17 PM (g4lFK)

314 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (EoRCO)

Yes, a very gritty movie, but lures you right in!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:17 PM (gwPgz)

315 The Peter Weir mentions reminded me of Fearless, which I think is an underrated film.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 17, 2018 08:17 PM (xzV6l)

316
I'm torn on the 2 versions of Alien. I like most of the additional scenes, particularly the bit where they're actually listening to the transmission. That should have always been in it. However, the scenes deleted from the original are not helpful. The scene where Dallas is asking about his chances in the computer room is a bad omission.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:18 PM (qGuLD)

317 Saw a episode of "Have Gun Will Travel" the other day and Charles Bronson was in it. He looked young in this episode.

Posted by: dantesed at February 17, 2018 08:18 PM (88xKn)

318 249

I have all the Charles Bronson 'Death Wish' movies, except maybe number two which is said to be the good one.

I like Charles Bronson and the characters he plays, but those Death
Wish movies don't age well. They were something when they were new, but
not thirty years later.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse

But my soundtrack for II still kicks ass, right?

Posted by: Jimmy Page at February 17, 2018 08:19 PM (UZlUQ)

319 Yes, a very gritty movie, but lures you right in!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:17 PM (gwPgz)

Yup....plus trains. And hobos.

Who played the young guy who tried to be a hobo but Lee set him straight. He had a lot of work in the 70's.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 08:19 PM (EoRCO)

320 Next in my Netflix Queue:
Winter's Bone
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Is that related to Winters Tail?

Oh, wait, it's Winters Tale , never mind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 17, 2018 08:20 PM (7ThJ3)

321 All right, off to Black Panther and dinner.

Take it easy, movie fans. I'll check back on the thread late tonight.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 08:20 PM (xJa6I)

322 315 The Peter Weir mentions reminded me of Fearless, which I think is an underrated film.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 17, 2018 08:17 PM (xzV6l)

Is that the one with Jeff Bridges and Rosie Perez and the plane crash?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:20 PM (4ErVI)

323
Was there a definitive Godzilla?

Charles Barkley

https://youtu.be/1oCF-QFuoYs

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:21 PM (EzdLW)

324 Man who shot Liberty Valance:

John Wayne = Good Guy

Lee Marvin = Bad Guy

Jimmy Stewart = Plucky Comic Relief
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:15 PM (V2Yro)

Dude ... I disagree ...

... can't tell you how many dudes I've met - like Sebastion Melmouth ... that just fucking ADORE Jimmy Stewart in this one. Not just his performance ... his character.

This movie has been argued 'round here many times. It's a touchstone.

It's anything but simple. That movie is significant.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 17, 2018 08:21 PM (fiGNd)

325
The original Apocalypse Now is preferable to Redux. The pacing is off with that one and it goes on too long. The original is perfect.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:21 PM (qGuLD)

326 Peter Weir also did Witness, with Harrison Ford hiding out with Amish. Under-rated. Gets you to understand the Amish.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:22 PM (pV/54)

327 I like the older, Aussier Peter Weir films: The Last Wave, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Gallipoli. And later The Year of Living Dangerously.

Can't stop listening to the pan flute music from "Picnic"! It really is mesmerizing.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:23 PM (qJtVm)

328 The original Apocalypse Now is preferable to Redux. The pacing is off with that one and it goes on too long.

What, you don't want to stop in the middle of a war movie to argue Existentialism with anachronistic French colonialists?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 08:23 PM (fuK7c)

329 Earliest Charles Bronson sighting I know of - "House of Wax", 1953, with Vincent Price. He's still going by Charles Buchinsky, his Lithuanian name, in that one. And he's basically just an Igor character. In fact his character's name is Igor.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:23 PM (V2Yro)

330 Don't care what anyone else says, Deckard is a rep. Thought so from the first time I saw the flick way back when, long before there was a hint of controversy about it. Too many hints and clues throughout for it to be ambiguous. And I find the film even more enjoyable that way.

Come to think of it, I think the evil new version of Tyrell in the new movie hints that Deckard is one as well.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 08:23 PM (UW4Uc)

331 242 TJM, do director's cuts typically add scenes and lengthen the running time, or cut them and shorten the time?

I'm just thinking of all the writing advice I've read that tells fledgling writers to cut and cut again.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:02 PM (EzdLW)

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The way it works these days is the director shoots a few extra scenes to put in the bank. If the film is successful, in a year or two, they recut the movie with the extra scenes, call it the director's cut, and make some more cash.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 08:23 PM (pvjTE)

332 I admit I did not care for the added scenes in the director's cut of Aliens.

I liked the inclusion of Ripley's daughter having lived her life without her mother. That added to the relationship between Ripley and Newt.

Posted by: Jim S. at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (ynUnH)

333 Is that the one with Jeff Bridges and Rosie Perez and the plane crash?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:20 PM (4ErVI)

Yeah, I had forgotten about Rosie Perez. The parts without her are underrated.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (xzV6l)

334 Gets you to understand the Amish.

You misspelled "Kelly McGillis' breasts".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (fuK7c)

335 327 I like the older, Aussier Peter Weir films: The Last Wave, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Gallipoli. And later The Year of Living Dangerously.

Can't stop listening to the pan flute music from "Picnic"! It really is mesmerizing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:23 PM (qJtVm)

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Have you seen his last movie, The Way Back?

I just found it streaming somewhere and haven't watched it yet.

I will, no matter what, but I was just curious what you thought if you'd seen it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (Jj43a)

336 I like the older, Aussier Peter Weir films: The Last Wave, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Gallipoli. And later The Year of Living Dangerously.

Ever seen The Plumber? Kinda lefty social class type thing, but pretty decent.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (4ErVI)

337 Jimmy Stewart = Plucky Comic Relief

Where does that leave poor Andy Devine?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (SiINZ)

338 >>> Going to Black Panther in a couple hours.
If thread is still alive, I'll post my immediate thoughts.

So far I have enjoyed John Nolte's columns about it.

Posted by: fluffy at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM (cHbmY)

339 Who played the young guy who tried to be a hobo but Lee set him straight. He had a lot of work in the 70's.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 08:19 PM (EoRCO)
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Carradine.

Liked him in Choose Me.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM (qJtVm)

340 Year of Living Dangerously is probably way underrated - it shows a portrait of a really scary bit of history that we've all swept under the rug. And of course an incredible soundtrack by Vangelis.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM (V2Yro)

341 Is anyone else completely oblivious to the differences in some directors' cuts? Aliens came out when I was 6, so I'd only ever seen edited-for-broadcast versions until I bought the extended edition or whatever in the trilogy set. It's very likely that I've never seen the un-edited theatrical edition. Like the bit with Ripley's daughter? I just learned tonight that it wasn't in the original.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM (y87Qq)

342 Underrated:

"Dog Soldiers"

British special forces vs werewolves.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM (EzdLW)

343 I will, no matter what, but I was just curious what you thought if you'd seen it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (Jj43a)
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No, I just saw it on imdb. Hadn't even heard of it, though I am familiar with the story.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:26 PM (qJtVm)

344 The first time I watched The Year of Living Dangerously, I spent most of the time arguing with myself whether Linda Hunt was a guy or a girl.

Awesome movie though. And scary as fuck in places.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:26 PM (4ErVI)

345 >>I could not get through the new Blade Runner. The original has a point, what does it mean to be human?

The new one has layers and layers of different model androids deciding who is closer to human and does and doesn't deserve to live. It's a world within itself and it's pointless, it doesn't say anything to us as actual humans it's just interspecies warfare between robots.

I wish I'd been able to stay in it long enough to see old Harrison Ford, but I did not.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

<<this

Posted by: Mr Peabody at February 17, 2018 08:26 PM (fSf/G)

346
I'm happy with the question of whether Deckard is a replicant. I like the question and it adds to the movie, even if it's not very plausible. I don't like having an answer. I enjoy the possibility.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:26 PM (qGuLD)

347 You misspelled "Kelly McGillis' breasts".
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Honestly, one of the most memorable sensual scenes I remember.

Saw her in a recent offering on Netflix. The Innkeepers, I think. Sort of a ghost story. She has aged naturally. And by naturally, I mean horribly.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:27 PM (+Tibp)

348 Who played the young guy who tried to be a hobo but Lee set him straight. He had a lot of work in the 70's

Keith Carradine. He could've been a meat eater.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 17, 2018 08:27 PM (O5Q3r)

349 343 I will, no matter what, but I was just curious what you thought if you'd seen it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:24 PM (Jj43a)
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No, I just saw it on imdb. Hadn't even heard of it, though I am familiar with the story.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:26 PM (qJtVm)

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I just wish he kept making movies.

I don't mind directors who take their time between projects, but this is getting ridiculous.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:27 PM (Jj43a)

350 So many of Weir's flicks are about bringing you into a niche of humanity -- like the ship Surprise in Master and Commander. The plot is incidental

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:28 PM (pV/54)

351 the extended Lord of the Rings movies were improved in the director's cut, as a lot of necessary scenes were restored. So that Boromir's (or whoever Sean Bean played) actions make perfect sense now.

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One editing decision that I don't understand is in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. A scene was filmed in which it is explained that Lee Van C!eef had joined the army. (The scene is included as an extra on the DVD.) So when Clint and Eli Wallach later find Angel Eyes in the POW camp, it makes sense.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 08:28 PM (+y/Ru)

352 I've never been able to reconcile Richard Boone as a psychiatrist in 'Lizzie', with the gunfighter in 'Paladin'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 17, 2018 08:28 PM (Zdm89)

353 Another great underrated movie - The Naked Prey, 1956, with Cornel Wilde.

Mel Gibson ripped off "The Naked Prey" for his movie Apocolypto, in fact many parts were a scene by scene rip off, allowing for the different time periods, and no one called him out on it.

And it's a great movie.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:29 PM (V2Yro)

354 Another Weir movie is The Cars That Ate Paris.

Paris never makes an appearance in the movie. There are cars. A very bizarre movie.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:29 PM (4ErVI)

355 294 How about hobo rail jumper Lee Marvin vs. vicious train conductor Ernest Borgnine in Emperor of the North?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (qJtVm)

I need to see that one. Lee Marvin is always good and of course Ernest Borgnine might well be one of the greatest I'll do it I like to work actors that ever lived.

That made me think of The Hitcher. C. Thomas Howell and Jennifer Jason Leigh make the mistake of picking up Rutger Hauer on the road and, well, all hell breaks loose.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:16 PM (4ErVI)
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Always had a certain respect for Borgnine comic or viscous. After viewing the Fox morning show and him saying "I masturbate a lot", which was creepy. I don't, well... now, when I see him in a scene I perceive it differently.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 08:29 PM (I+uRD)

356 Carradine.

Liked him in Choose Me.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM (qJtVm)

Cool....Thanks! He was good.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 08:30 PM (EoRCO)

357 #342 - YES! I love that flick. Sure, it's a bit of an "Aliens" ripoff, but a cracking good time.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 17, 2018 08:30 PM (1ouh3)

358 Is anyone else completely oblivious to the differences in some directors' cuts? Aliens came out when I was 6, so I'd only ever seen edited-for-broadcast versions until I bought the extended edition or whatever in the trilogy set. It's very likely that I've never seen the un-edited theatrical edition. Like the bit with Ripley's daughter? I just learned tonight that it wasn't in the original.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM

It wasn't in the original. The extended version came out in 89, IIRC. That has all the extra stuff in it. I'm not sure what might have been cut from the original that you saw on broadcast.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:31 PM (qGuLD)

359 Always had a certain respect for Borgnine comic or viscous. After viewing the Fox morning show and him saying "I masturbate a lot", which was creepy.
Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 08:29 PM (I+uRD)

!

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 08:31 PM (y87Qq)

360
Have you seen his last movie, The Way Back?

I just found it streaming somewhere and haven't watched it yet.

I will, no matter what, but I was just curious what you thought if you'd seen it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone

TJM, I've seen The Way Back.

Thoroughly enjoyed it. Highly recommend it.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:31 PM (EzdLW)

361 360
TJM, I've seen The Way Back.

Thoroughly enjoyed it. Highly recommend it.
Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:31 PM (EzdLW)

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Good to know.

Thanks!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:32 PM (Jj43a)

362 Went to movie theater first time saw Year of Living Dangerously, love that movie

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2018 08:32 PM (aC6Sd)

363 I think the 80s Cat People with an often naked Natasha Kinsky is better than the 40s B&W version.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 08:33 PM (5fRCd)

364 354 Another Weir movie is The Cars That Ate Paris.

Paris never makes an appearance in the movie. There are cars. A very bizarre movie.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:29 PM (4ErVI)

Reminds me of anothe underrated move.

From Paris With Love

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:33 PM (2DOZq)

365 Jimmy Rabbitte: Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 07:58 PM (pV/54)

I don't know. I was in Ireland, that place was lily mutha fuckin white. Really great people too, tons of fun.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at February 17, 2018 08:34 PM (aMlLZ)

366 I think the 80s Cat People with an often naked Natasha Kinsky is better than the 40s B&W version.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 17, 2018 08:33 PM (5fRCd)

I really liked that movie but I don't remember any of the dialog, or even if there was any!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:34 PM (gwPgz)

367 So hogmartin really is 29

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2018 08:34 PM (aC6Sd)

368 It wasn't in the original. The extended version came out in 89, IIRC. That has all the extra stuff in it. I'm not sure what might have been cut from the original that you saw on broadcast.
Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:31 PM (qGuLD)

Yep, I have no idea what, in the broadcast versions, was cut for content and what was cut for runtime. I'm just fairly certain that I've never seen the actual theater version. And when I see the extended version, I don't know what was restored vs. broadcast and what was added to make it an extended release.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 08:35 PM (y87Qq)

369 Apocalypse Now Redux was an unnecessary bloating of the original.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 17, 2018 08:35 PM (1ouh3)

370 "One editing decision that I don't understand is in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. A scene was filmed in which it is explained that Lee Van C!eef had joined the army. (The scene is included as an extra on the DVD.) So when Clint and Eli Wallach later find Angel Eyes in the POW camp, it makes sense. "

The long version of G, B, and U is definitely so much better than the cut down versions. The scene where Tuco and Blondie find the stagecoach is set up much better also.

One of my favorite little pieces of that movie is just after Clint gives a cigarette to the dying confederate boy, which he then uses to fire the cannon at Tuco. (of course) it's right at that point where he finally picks up his signature pancho, which he wears through the end of the film... the same one that he's wearing at the beginning of "A fistful of Dollars, the very first movie in the trilogy.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:36 PM (V2Yro)

371 Natasha Kinsky is better than the 40s B&W version.
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and she was in...wait for it....Paris, Texas.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 17, 2018 08:36 PM (cp1if)

372 369 Apocalypse Now Redux was an unnecessary bloating of the original.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 17, 2018 08:35 PM (1ouh3)

++++

Except the extra scenes withe the Bunnies. There was some totally necessary bloating.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 08:37 PM (pvjTE)

373 346

I could dig ambiguity on the point if it was actually ambiguous. To me, it isn't...always thought Scott was very gently and delicately hitting you over the head with it throughout. Just from memory...

Deckard's eye at the opening. Foreshadows the VK.

Can't remember the line but Bryant has a very uncomfortable pause and knowing glance at something Deckard says during the briefing. I think this is before Deckard asks what if the test doesn't work, a though that clearly terrifies Bryant.

Deckard scoffs, "How can it not know what it is?" I seem to recall Tyrell has a ghost of a smile at that point.

"Ever took that test yourself?" or whatever Rachel's line is. She has a hunch there's something not quite right about Deckard.

"Aren't you the good MAN?" or "police MAN" or whatever Roy's line is.

The many photos...memories...Deckard has around the apartment, just as Leon is fixated on photos of his own life.

Deckard says (I think) he still gets the shakes. Even now, after supposedly a career as the best skinjob hunter/killer there is? Nah. He has trouble processing emotions.

The unicorn dream/origami is a lock, imo, especially when Deckard nods grimly and heads out the door.

Altogether I just never saw this as particularly ambiguous.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 08:37 PM (UW4Uc)

374 I think the 80s Cat People with an often naked Natasha Kinsky is better than the 40s B&W version.

Anything with naked Nastassja Kinski is better than everything else.

Quick "Year of Living Dangerously" story about my stupid youth. In the late 80s I went to Thailand with the then-wife. I put her in a secure place on the train in Bangkok and set off to find food for our travel.

All through the train station I kept hearing roars. I immediately had Year of Living Dangerously fears. I didn't know anything about Thailand, did I just walk into a revolution? Hey, that looks tasty I'll get some of those.

It turned out that they had a giant screen TV that was showing kickboxing and that's what people were roaring about.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 08:37 PM (fuK7c)

375 Another great underrated movie - The Naked Prey, 1956, with Cornel Wilde.

Yup....they need to do an updated version set in Detroit.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 08:37 PM (EoRCO)

376 351 the extended Lord of the Rings movies were improved in the director's cut, as a lot of necessary scenes were restored. So that Boromir's (or whoever Sean Bean played) actions make perfect sense now.

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on one hand, mouth of sauron

on the other hand, more of faramir's dad

on the other hand's hand...total run time of 2 days

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 08:38 PM (V3U1L)

377 301 295 The guy who played the doctor in M&C has some range in the characters he has played . I don't even know his name though. He needs a better publicist.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:13 PM (2DOZq)

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Paul Bettany

Plays Vision and Jarvis in the Marvel movies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:14 PM (Jj43a)

He was great as the fast-talking Geoffrey Chaucer in A Knight's Tale.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 08:38 PM (NWiLs)

378
Always had a certain respect for Borgnine comic or viscous. After viewing the Fox morning show and him saying "I masturbate a lot", which was creepy. I don't, well... now, when I see him in a scene I perceive it differently.
Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 08:29 PM (I+uRD)
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Well that certainly gives subtext to The Boatniks.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:38 PM (qJtVm)

379 377
He was great as the fast-talking Geoffrey Chaucer in A Knight's Tale.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 08:38 PM (NWiLs)

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One of the only reasons that movie is any fun at all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:39 PM (Jj43a)

380 The Giant Invisible Rabbit Who Shot Liberty Valance

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 08:39 PM (+y/Ru)

381 thumbs through dictionary

Ha, - ~~viscous~~ - vicious.
It must be a French word.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 08:39 PM (I+uRD)

382 The Commitments got made in 1991, when Ireland and Dublin were still stuck in the rut of quasi-socialist policies that had stunted economic growth since Independence. Thank you Eamonn!

So the youth of Northside Dublin could claim to be oppressed back in the early 90s.

It's not that we haven't run valid experiments at the national level about whether free markets or socialism works. We just ignore them.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:39 PM (pV/54)

383 Jane Kennedy is in Svengoulie's offering tonight. Men of a certain age will remember her on CBS' NFL show. She evidently also made a sex tape.

Also starring Clint Walker and Peter Lawford (who for some reason is considered a Kennedy?)

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:40 PM (+Tibp)

384 story about Year of Living Dangerously - went to see it originally in theatre with wife, and sis and bro-in-law.
Late showing. bro-in-law was bored stiff, fell asleep, started snoring near end. So we let movie finish, everyone left, he's still asleep, so we left, lights are on, theatre is completely deserted, him sitting in the middle snoring. Then we shouted "HEY!!!" and hid around corner just to watch what he'd do when he woke up and had no idea where he was or why he was all alone.

that was fun. He put on a good show.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:40 PM (V2Yro)

385 Peter Lawford married a Kennedy sister.

Jane Kennedy did a sex scene in a movie with her actual husband.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 17, 2018 08:41 PM (fuK7c)

386 Always had a certain respect for Borgnine comic or viscous.
Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 08:29 PM

I find it comforting that I am not the only one who does this.

Thank you gNewt.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 08:41 PM (roQNm)

387 Jane Kennedy is in Svengoulie's offering tonight. Men of a certain age will remember her on CBS' NFL show. She evidently also made a sex tape.

Also starring Clint Walker and Peter Lawford (who for some reason is considered a Kennedy?)

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:40 PM (+Tibp)

She made a sex tape with Clint Walker and Peter Lawford?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 08:41 PM (SiINZ)

388 Where does that leave poor Andy Devine?"

With a pencil thin mustache?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:42 PM (7LY+6)

389 The God Bless Mountaineers........

35 to 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In free throwing..... ............

FUCKIN REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

Goddamn Bobby H sounds as bad as I've ever heard Him........And even with FUCKIN 35-2........WVU was winning for most of the game in SPITE OF THE FUCKIN...........

That's WHY it's The Countdown To Disappointment.........

EXCEPT FOR THE RIFLE TEAM.........

BEST IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!

(The Only Fatal Skill, ......WV excells At.......priorities.)

Lesson to Y'all........Slit their Fuckin Throat, Stomp their Fuckin Skull, and, Break their Fuckin Spine............"Just in Case".........

Furious doesn't do this Justice......

NoGoodGoddamnMuthaFuckinCockGobblinCocksuckingCumDumpsterinMuthaFuckers.............

Grrrrr.......Y'all........

Posted by: Hillbillyking of The Hairdo at February 17, 2018 08:42 PM (6m3qu)

390 There is a YouTube 'Titanic without Rose and Jack' that keeps all the good machinery scenes and cuts it down to a manageable 1 hour 40 minutes.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 17, 2018 08:42 PM (zcT9k)

391 One of the only reasons that movie is any fun at all.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:39 PM (Jj43a)

I think that movie's a hoot. The dancing scene where the music morphs into David Bowie's "Golden Years" was genius.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 08:43 PM (NWiLs)

392 I business trip took me to Jakarta years ago. So I bought a "shadow puppet" for the Igno-Son

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:43 PM (pV/54)

393 Just watched the first episode of Altered Carbon. Definitely recommend. Has a good mix of action, intrigue, dark humor, and worldbuilding.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at February 17, 2018 08:43 PM (13PHl)

394 With a pencil thin mustache?
Posted by: Anon a mouse

A two toned Ricky Ricardo jacket?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:43 PM (+Tibp)

395 And there go the margins.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 08:44 PM (NWiLs)

396 I could dig ambiguity on the point if it was actually ambiguous. To me, it isn't...always thought Scott was very gently and delicately hitting you over the head with it throughout. Just from memory...

Deckard's eye at the opening. Foreshadows the VK.

Can't remember the line but Bryant has a very uncomfortable pause and knowing glance at something Deckard says during the briefing. I think this is before Deckard asks what if the test doesn't work, a though that clearly terrifies Bryant.

Deckard scoffs, "How can it not know what it is?" I seem to recall Tyrell has a ghost of a smile at that point.

"Ever took that test yourself?" or whatever Rachel's line is. She has a hunch there's something not quite right about Deckard.

"Aren't you the good MAN?" or "police MAN" or whatever Roy's line is.

The many photos...memories...Deckard has around the apartment, just as Leon is fixated on photos of his own life.

Deckard says (I think) he still gets the shakes. Even now, after supposedly a career as the best skinjob hunter/killer there is? Nah. He has trouble processing emotions.

The unicorn dream/origami is a lock, imo, especially when Deckard nods grimly and heads out the door.

Altogether I just never saw this as particularly ambiguous.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 08:37 PM

It's the lock that bothers me. My take was that he was probably a replicant, but despite the hints, it was still a question.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:44 PM (qGuLD)

397 Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 17, 2018 08:42 PM (zcT9k)

Yo Jinx!

That edited Titanic sounds like it's worth watching!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:44 PM (gwPgz)

398 Jane Kennedy starred in the prison fight film Penitentiary.

Where she fought Peter Lawford. I think.

I may have been drinking. Then and now possibly.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:45 PM (4ErVI)

399 The Naked Prey, 1956, with Cornel Wilde.

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Another Cornel Wilde move I liked was Beach Red. It's a poetic (literally, it's based on a poem) look at WWII in the Pacific.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 08:45 PM (+y/Ru)

400 A two toned Ricky Ricardo jacket?"

Only if Andy Devine photo is autographed...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:45 PM (7LY+6)

401 Raining hard enough here on the 'Neck that I could use a good ship. Good to 'see' you Hroth.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 17, 2018 08:46 PM (zcT9k)

402 396

It's the lock that bothers me. My take was that he was probably a replicant, but despite the hints, it was still a question.
Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 08:44 PM (qGuLD)

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For me, it was the entire scene between Deckard and his boss.

On one level, that information needs to get to the audience somehow, but even with that in the mix, Deckard seems to know nothing of replicants , which is weird for a retired replicant killer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:46 PM (Jj43a)

403 And there go the margins"

They're like Leon...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:46 PM (7LY+6)

404 Underrated Eastwood movie would be "Escape from Alcatraz".

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM (w+Jhj)

With Patrick McGoohan as the warden. He should have sent Rover after Clint when he escaped

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 08:47 PM (SiINZ)

405 125 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.

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is this really a thing though? Like Fight Club's kind of a classic to certain people but it was also critical flop and didn't make that much money.

I guess my biggest complaint was AI.

AI had bad reviews, Spielberg went done andfucked up...and I was pissed that I didn't see it in theaters. It was ...underrated.

what else. Uh Blended? A stupid Sandler film that was OK and had a presloor Bella Thorne

How about Detention. A great movie with no ratings.

ok...here's one that is official shit reviewed, big budget, and yet kind of fun. Gods of Egypt.

let me think...

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 08:47 PM (V3U1L)

406 A two toned Ricky Ricardo jacket?"

Only if Andy Devine photo is autographed...
Posted by: Anon a mouse

Dang! Then we can solve some mysteries, too.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 08:47 PM (+Tibp)

407 The Sunday Morning Shows are early previews of what MSM wants to spin the rest of the week.

Looking at tomorrow's line-up it'll be (1) if Trump doesn't declare war in Russia, he's failing to protect us and our democracy, and (2) if Trump doesn't EO an immediate ban on assault rifles, he's failing to protect our children.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:48 PM (pV/54)

408 She made a sex tape with Clint Walker and Peter Lawford?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
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The stuff one learns here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 17, 2018 08:48 PM (nBBdT)

409 379 377
He was great as the fast-talking Geoffrey Chaucer in A Knight's Tale.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 08:38 PM (NWiLs)

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if knight's tale is underrated, I like it.

Bettney is great, even though he and his wife are weirdos.

Also, while he was miscast as Dr. Maturin, he did good job.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 08:49 PM (V3U1L)

410 One of my favorite little pieces of that movie is just after Clint gives a cigarette to the dying confederate boy, which he then uses to fire the cannon at Tuco. (of course) it's right at that point where he finally picks up his signature pancho, which he wears through the end of the film... the same one that he's wearing at the beginning of "A fistful of Dollars, the very first movie in the trilogy.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 08:36 PM (V2Yro)

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Yeah, I caught that, too. Made me think that, in a sense, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly was a prequel to A Fistful of Dollars.

Posted by: DynamiteDan at February 17, 2018 08:49 PM (MqzWH)

411 Dang! Then we can solve some mysteries, too"

Only if you learn how to score...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:49 PM (7LY+6)

412 "Where does that leave poor Andy Devine?
With a pencil thin mustache?"

With a thong rind

Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at February 17, 2018 08:49 PM (UdKB7)

413 Raining hard enough here on the 'Neck that I could use a good ship. Good to 'see' you Hroth.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 17, 2018 08:46 PM (zcT9k)

Rule 1: Never buy a house in the Neck that has a Plimsoll line on the water side!

Hope things are well with you! Been a while.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 08:49 PM (gwPgz)

414 I found this on IMDb about Beach Red:

Peter Bowman's uniquely constructed novel "Beach Red" was published in 1945, near the end of World War II. The book chronicles a US assault on a Japanese-held island in the Pacific and the subsequent advance of a four-man army recon patrol in the jungle, through the thoughts of one of its members. A contemporary review of the book stated the novel "looks like unrhymed verse, but . . . author Bowman stoutly insists (it) is 'sprung prose'." A modern-day reviewer accurately described the book as ". . . not a novel. It is a 61-page prose poem, organized in non-rhyming stanzas with varying numbers of lines in each stanza."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 08:50 PM (+y/Ru)

415 There's really no reading of Blade Runner where Dekkar's a replicant. That's my vote as I recently rewatch BR before, as prep, to see the horrible sequel.

Valerian>Blader Runner 2, the thing where robot girls give births

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 08:50 PM (V3U1L)

416 With Patrick McGoohan as the warden. He should have sent Rover after Clint when he escaped

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 08:47 PM (SiINZ)

Fred Ward too as one of the brothers.

I haven't heard of him in anything, but I watch almost zero television and almost nothing new in the way of movies.

Remo Williams was fun as hell and I'll fight anyone who says differently.

Tremors and Tremors II as well. The latter is absolutely hilarious.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:51 PM (4ErVI)

417 121
*Fosse hands*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 07:41 PM (qJtVm)

This has something to do with . . . Gorillas, right?

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2018 08:52 PM (2K6fY)

418 DAck, big fan of Tremors but ain't never seen me no sequels. so what I'm reading is Tremors II is not shit?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 08:52 PM (V3U1L)

419 Tonight on the Disney Channel:

Zombies (201

A zombie and a cheerleader work together to show the town of Seabrook what they can achieve when they embrace their differences and celebrate what makes them a community.

SJWs ruin everything.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:53 PM (EzdLW)

420 Where does that leave poor Andy Devine?"

With a pencil thin mustache?
Posted by: Anon a mouse
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He'll always have Froggy's Magic Twanger

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 17, 2018 08:53 PM (w1zJX)

421 I haven't seen it, but from a couple of links at Drudge, "Black Panther" is apparently the greatest movie evah.

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2018 08:53 PM (sdi6R)

422 I enjoyed "Noble House" mini-series.

Posted by: russian wigs and machines for sale at February 17, 2018 08:53 PM (CL76w)

423 The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly IS a prequel to the other two Man With No Name films. Because those two films are clearly in the post-Civil War West.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 17, 2018 08:54 PM (toi7g)

424 This has something to do with . . . Gorillas, right?"

El snort...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:54 PM (7LY+6)

425 Fred Ward too as one of the brothers.

I haven't heard of him in anything, but I watch almost zero television and almost nothing new in the way of movies.

Gus Grissom in The Right Stuff.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at February 17, 2018 08:54 PM (IMacf)

426 One of my favorites is Heaven Knows, Mr Allison.

Robert Mitchum is a shipwrecked WWII GI. Deborah Kerr is a nun and last survivor of an island missionary. And then the Japs arrive.

It's a time capsule of old school gallantry.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:54 PM (pV/54)

427 Okay, underrated movies plus Paul Bettany gives you Legion, in which he is a defrocked Archangel Michael out to save humanity from the coming apocalypse.

Grilled cheez on cheezy bread and I always have to watch it when it's on the t.v.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (qJtVm)

428 "On one level, that information needs to get to the audience somehow, but
even with that in the mix, Deckard seems to know nothing of replicants ,
which is weird for a retired replicant killer."

Good point but he was supposedly resigned/retired/had quit for some indeterminate amount of time, during which the 6 model had been released. Bryant's expositional brief seems to indicate Deckard wasn't familiar with this upgrade (cuz he was one!!!11)

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (UW4Uc)

429 I haven't seen it, but from a couple of links at Drudge, "Black Panther" is apparently the greatest movie evah.

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2018 08:53 PM (sdi6R)

And Ingraham is racissss bitch because she told basketball player to shutup and dribble.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (I+uRD)

430 The original novella of T

Posted by: DynamiteDan at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (MqzWH)

431 427 Okay, underrated movies plus Paul Bettany gives you Legion, in which he is a defrocked Archangel Michael out to save humanity from the coming apocalypse.

Grilled cheez on cheezy bread and I always have to watch it when it's on the t.v.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (qJtVm)

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Dear me, did I hate that movie...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (Jj43a)

432 With a thong rind"

Or a telefunken U 47...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:56 PM (7LY+6)

433 Underrated: Attack Force Z.

Mel Gibson and some other Aussies land on a Jap occupied island in order to rescue some Jap diplomat or something.

They've got super cool submachine guns and proceed to wreak havoc on the Japanese occupiers.

There's a love story. And silencers. Almost everyone dies.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:56 PM (4ErVI)

434 I dunno if underrated but 50/50 and The Intern jerk my fucking tears. I was like 50/50 is supposed to be comedy so why make me cry?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 08:56 PM (V3U1L)

435 Underrated:

"Dog Soldiers"

British special forces vs werewolves.
Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:25 PM (EzdLW)

Dude, no. I thought the SAS got eaten, the ones that survived were Territorials who were sent in as the bait.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2018 08:57 PM (2K6fY)

436 428 "On one level, that information needs to get to the audience somehow, but
even with that in the mix, Deckard seems to know nothing of replicants ,
which is weird for a retired replicant killer."

Good point but he was supposedly resigned/retired/had quit for some indeterminate amount of time, during which the 6 model had been released. Bryant's expositional brief seems to indicate Deckard wasn't familiar with this upgrade (cuz he was one!!!11)
Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (UW4Uc)

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I was under the impression that all replicants followed the rules laid out in that scene. At least, there's no real indication that the 5s get to live longer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:57 PM (Jj43a)

437 429: Thing is, fuckers don't dribble anymore. Lost art.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:58 PM (KP5rU)

438 362
Went to movie theater first time saw Year of Living Dangerously, love that movie

first movie i remember seeing in the theater is Yellow Submarine. probably explains a lot about me.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 08:58 PM (2//jc)

439 Robert Mitchum is a shipwrecked WWII GI. Deborah Kerr is a nun and last survivor of an island missionary. And then the Japs arrive.

It's a time capsule of old school gallantry.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 08:54 PM (pV/54)
***************

He had to die, he got into the habit.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 08:58 PM (I+uRD)

440 Legion is so bad it's actually watchable. Kinda goes around the circle so far...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:58 PM (7LY+6)

441 Dude, no. I thought the SAS got eaten, the ones that survived were Territorials who were sent in as the bait.
Posted by: Kindltot

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Ok, right. Still a good movie though.

"I hope I give you the sh*ts!"

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 08:59 PM (EzdLW)

442 Underrated: Attack Force Z.

Mel Gibson and some other Aussies land on a Jap occupied island in order to rescue some Jap diplomat or something.

They've got super cool submachine guns and proceed to wreak havoc on the Japanese occupiers.

There's a love story. And silencers. Almost everyone dies.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 08:56 PM (4ErVI)

Nothing says fuck you like a suppressed .45 caliber M3 grease gun.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at February 17, 2018 09:00 PM (aMlLZ)

443 Thing is, fuckers don't dribble anymore. Lost art.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:58 PM (KP5rU)

They do drool though

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 09:00 PM (SiINZ)

444 437 429: Thing is, fuckers don't dribble anymore. Lost art.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 08:58 PM (KP5rU)

*wipes chin*

What were you saying?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 17, 2018 09:00 PM (NWiLs)

445 For me, it was the entire scene between Deckard and his boss.

On one level, that information needs to get to the audience somehow, but even with that in the mix, Deckard seems to know nothing of replicants , which is weird for a retired replicant killer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:46 PM

For me, ambiguity regarding Deckard's status serves the the underlying theme(?) of the movie much, much better than having him be definitely a human or definitely a replicant. In fact, I don't know why, but I get a sense that Deckard suspects he might b e a replicant, but doesn't want to know the answer. I feel like that. The scene at the end where he picks up the paper unicorn seems to answer his doubts "Oh, shit. Great. Just great." But not ours, as we don't know exactly what it means. ... minus the unwanted dream sequence. Not sure if I'm making sense. But the ambiguity and mystery takes the movie up another level.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 09:00 PM (qGuLD)

446 Underrated:

Exorcist III

George C. Scott, solid. Brad Dourif, very good performance. One shock scene involving a yuuuge pair of scissors.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 09:00 PM (EzdLW)

447 RottenTomatoes critics give Black Panther 97%, which is higher than all the current Oscar nominees.

But viewers give it 74%, which is in line what most Marvel flicks get.

How to explain this?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:01 PM (pV/54)

448 It was a remake of an older British film in which they both survived but the male lead didn't know the female was a nun. They were separated at rescue, he searches for her till he finds her in a nunnery and she shows no love for him, barely acknowledges him, sends him away. Sadz.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 09:01 PM (I+uRD)

449 440 Legion is so bad it's actually watchable. Kinda goes around the circle so far...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 08:58 PM (7LY+6)

It's a disjointed mess but I can't help but watch it if it shows up on TV.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 09:02 PM (NWiLs)

450 How to explain this?"

Things that make you go....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:02 PM (7LY+6)

451 Dear me, did I hate that movie...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:55 PM (Jj43a)
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It really is vile, isn't it?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (qJtVm)

452 Now I remember my favorite Cornel Wilde film, a great underrated film, also a film that in 1974 I was convinced was the Bestest Movie Ever Made:

GARGOYLES!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (V2Yro)

453 Okay, underrated movies plus Paul Bettany gives you Legion, in which he is a defrocked Archangel Michael out to save humanity from the coming apocalypse.

Grilled cheez on cheezy bread and I always have to watch it when it's on the t.v.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

Agreed. It's bad. But there is something there.

The intermediate fight scene should have been outside. Staging it inside the diner was kind of dumb.

OH and the TV show is dreck.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (KXVP7)

454 RottenTomatoes critics give Black Panther 97%, which is higher than all the current Oscar nominees.

But viewers give it 74%, which is in line what most Marvel flicks get.

How to explain this?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:01 PM (pV/54)

Racism. It should have 150% rating because

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (SiINZ)

455 446 Underrated:

Exorcist III

George C. Scott, solid. Brad Dourif, very good performance. One shock scene involving a yuuuge pair of scissors.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 09:00 PM (EzdLW)

Heh yep I'll check that scene out on youtube from time to time and even though I know what is going to happen I still get the heebie jeebies.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (4ErVI)

456 I saw Kingdom of Heaven for the first time within the last month. It was the Roadshow edition (the Director's cut with an overture and and intermission). It was a very good movie.

I though Orlando Bloom was good in the lead role. And have never understood the hating on him generally.

I am also quite taken by the soundtrack. Does anyone know the story behind the Kingdom of Heaven "Recording Sessions" (apparently also called "Additional Tracks"" on Youtube? These are much longer than the soundtrack available for purchase on Amazon. Has anyone seen them for sale anywhere? Also, are there really five (as the Youtube commentary indicates)? At first I could find only 1, 3, and 4. Tonight I found 2 for the first time.

Posted by: NCC at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (MduyG)

457 How is Legion vs. The Prophecy on the bad apocalypse movie spectrum?

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 09:04 PM (y87Qq)

458 Now I remember my favorite Cornel Wilde film, a great underrated film, also a film that in 1974 I was convinced was the Bestest Movie Ever Made:

GARGOYLES!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (V2Yro)

I remember that movie. That was killer.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at February 17, 2018 09:04 PM (aMlLZ)

459 447

Affirmative Action?

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:04 PM (bjSMX)

460 426
One of my favorites is Heaven Knows, Mr Allison.

Robert Mitchum is a shipwrecked WWII GI. Deborah Kerr is a nun and
last survivor of an island missionary. And then the Japs arrive.

It's a time capsule of old school gallantry.

Posted by: Ignoramus

I want to eat Zombie Bob's Brains and then jump his bones...again!

Posted by: Zombie Joan Rivers at February 17, 2018 09:04 PM (UZlUQ)

461 457 How is Legion vs. The Prophecy on the bad apocalypse movie spectrum?
Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 09:04 PM (y87Qq)

Legion has the edge because guns.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 09:04 PM (NWiLs)

462 447 RottenTomatoes critics give Black Panther 97%, which is higher than all the current Oscar nominees.

But viewers give it 74%, which is in line what most Marvel flicks get.

How to explain this?

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The movie guy who writes this weekly column should do a thing about the Delta between critics review and normies' reviews. When there's a disparity...high critic, low audience and low critic, high audience.

Usually a big positive delta (high critic, low audience) means some whatfag shit that critics are forced to vitrual signal about on the pain of job loss. Or mumbo jumbo art shit about runaway ballerinas with palsy trying to teach red state normies about Che.

Black Panther, has been decided from on high, must be "important hit that symbolizes we're all black now" so maybe Black panterh isn't sliced bread but just another annoying, over-CGI shit show?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM (V3U1L)

463 How is Legion vs. The Prophecy on the bad apocalypse movie spectrum?
Posted by: hogmartin

Legion = Always Sunny
Prophecy = Arrested Development

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM (+Tibp)

464 457. You shut your whore mouth! Anything with Walken is automatically the greatest in its genre.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM (fA1SL)

465 454 RottenTomatoes critics give Black Panther 97%, which is higher than all the current Oscar nominees.

But viewers give it 74%, which is in line what most Marvel flicks get.

How to explain this?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:01 PM (pV/54)

Because your average film critic is a left wing wanker.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM (NWiLs)

466
GARGOYLES!!!

Svengoolie had that one

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 17, 2018 09:06 PM (IqV8l)

467 IMO the movie industry is ripe for disruption. The difficulty lies in their ability to incorporate and internalize disruptive influences - no matter how out-of-the-mainstream you are, the machine has a way of bringing you into the fold and commoditizing your artistic vision.

To really change how Hollywood works, to modify the structure that is upstream from politics, the industry must be destroyed via an attack at the business model level.

Prospectus to follow.

Posted by: Motionview at February 17, 2018 09:06 PM (pYQR/)

468 "I was under the impression that all replicants followed the rules laid
out in that scene. At least, there's no real indication that the 5s get
to live longer."

Don't trust my memory on this because it's been a few years but between the prologue crawl and the briefing, the Nexus 6 seem harder to detect because and more dangerous, but also have that 4 year shelf life.

Rachel is the exception but as Tyrell says, she's just an experiment...so apart from the ability to bear young (and Deckard's!!!!11) she was a Nexus 7 or whatever because the guy in the archives (new movie) says her genetic code was unremarkable. By that time, she was old tech.

Purest speculation:

I like to think both Rachel and Deckard were indeed designed by Tyrell to be and do what they did...Rachel to be more human than human and to be attracted to Deckard...Deckard to be top secret memory-implanted insurance policy against inevitable rogue Nexus 6s who human cops couldn't hope to handle (with Bryant and Gaff knowing what Deckard was the whole time). The added twist with the new movie is that both Deckard and Rachel were capable of reproduction...both were Tyrell's last magic trick.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:06 PM (UW4Uc)

469 I actually knew a guy who was in Gargoyles - he was usually an extra, and he got lucky. He was the gargoyle that got run over by the truck, he said the one great speaking line he had in his movie career was when he got to go "aaaauuuuhhhhhh" as he looked up and died.

sic transit gloria.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:06 PM (V2Yro)

470 Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:01 PM (pV/54)

I'm surprised that critics % wasn't 100%. You can count on them giving any SJW approved film a higher percentage than it deserves.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (2DOZq)

471 456
I am also quite taken by the soundtrack. Does anyone know the story behind the Kingdom of Heaven "Recording Sessions" (apparently also called "Additional Tracks"" on Youtube? These are much longer than the soundtrack available for purchase on Amazon. Has anyone seen them for sale anywhere? Also, are there really five (as the Youtube commentary indicates)? At first I could find only 1, 3, and 4. Tonight I found 2 for the first time.
Posted by: NCC at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (MduyG)

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I've listened to that.

There are parts of it that make me think that it was something captured straight from a consumer version of the movie by someone with some sophisticated audio equipment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (Jj43a)

472 430 That post got away from me. Take 2 . . .

The original novella The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance[\i] was written by Dorothy M. Johnson, the only female western author I can think of. (Anybody know any others?) She also wrote The Hangin' Tree[\i], which became one of Gary Cooper's last movies, and A Man Called Horse.

Incidentally, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was first published complete in the September 1949 issue of . . . Cosmopolitan. It took up most of the issue.

Posted by: DynamiteDan at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (MqzWH)

473 . You shut your whore mouth! Anything with Walken is automatically the greatest in its genre.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM

Hahaha! Agreed. Prohecy is good. Great cast. Great Walken.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (qGuLD)

474 Legion = Always Sunny
Prophecy = Arrested Development
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM (+Tibp)

erm... how would you express that to someone who's never seen either show?

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (y87Qq)

475 The director's cut of Legend is much better than the theatrical version. Tim Curry gets more screen time and the story flows better.

Posted by: Fist of Khonshu at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (JFeqO)

476 If memory serves, Gargoyles (1972?) is all the more impressive because it was made for TV. Those were the days.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (UW4Uc)

477 Brattleboro is proud to announce that along with the WE Love our Presdent of Color Day Parade" we will also be celebrating /helping Gay and lesbian Dogs and cats. Come on by and join to help these beautiful animals....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 17, 2018 09:07 PM (hqQ+Q)

478 Boy, did I mess up the italics on that last post! Sorry, folks . . .

Posted by: DynamiteDan at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (MqzWH)

479 462
The movie guy who writes this weekly column should do a thing about the Delta between critics review and normies' reviews. When there's a disparity...high critic, low audience and low critic, high audience.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM (V3U1L)

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I actually did.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (Jj43a)

480 It was a remake of an older British film in which they both survived but the male lead didn't know the female was a nun. They were separated at rescue, he searches for her till he finds her in a nunnery and she shows no love for him, barely acknowledges him, sends him away. Sadz.

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I have seen that or one very like it. Don't rememef the name or stars or anything.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (+y/Ru)

481 Black Panther, fuck that. Saw that asshole in Forrest Gump. That was enough.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (KP5rU)

482 Wait. There are people who actually LOVE the Harrison Ford Ford voiceover? I find it dreadful. Ford sounds like he's barely interested, like someone just shoved a piece of paper in his face and said, "Read this." Ford later claimed he was doing it poorly intentionally so it wouldn't be used. (Whether he was telling the truth, I don't know.) The stunning visuals and story overcome it though.

Generally speaking, I find "director's cuts" to be worse than the theatrical release. Directors tend to think that every frame of film is essential to their "artistic vision", which just means a longer film with needless scenes wisely cut by a producer. For the classic artiste, a director's cut might be eight hours long.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (rft/I)

483 The movie guy who writes this weekly column should do a thing about the Delta between critics review and normies' reviews. When there's a disparity...high critic, low audience and low critic, high audience.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:05 PM (V3U1L)

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I actually did.
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NICE

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (V3U1L)

484 Legion had vampires so it gets an automatic 10% added to its overall rating.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (2DOZq)

485 erm... how would you express that to someone who's never seen either show?
Posted by: hogmartin

Both good in their way. Legion is edgier. Prophecy is better scripted and of course has Walken.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (+Tibp)

486 How is Legion vs. The Prophecy on the bad apocalypse movie spectrum?
Posted by: hogmartin

The Prophecy is very dated. Bad 90's direction and slower than it should have been, but still an interesting flick.

Legion is CGI overload with obvious low-budget sets.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (KXVP7)

487 The War Lover - Steve McQueen and Robert Wagner

Big argument and Wagner punches McQueen hard on the chin. McQueen smiles and says - pretty good, not in my league but pretty good.

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (I+uRD)

488 But viewers give it 74%, which is in line what most Marvel flicks get.

How to explain this?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:01 PM (pV/54)

Racism. It should have 150% rating because

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 09:03 PM (SiINZ)

It should be 50 points ahead!

Posted by: SJW Hrothgar channeling Hillary at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (gwPgz)

489 Nice Italicans.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (KP5rU)

490 Dynamite Dan to the frying pan.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (IqV8l)

491 One of the dissenting 3% RT critics on Black Panther was true to his roots, saying essentially "too much exposition, not enough blowing up shit."

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (pV/54)

492 The Italicans are coming!

Posted by: Monk at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (g4lFK)

493 YouTube has "Gargoyles" (don't know if it is the CAV letterbox director's cut).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 09:10 PM (qJtVm)

494 482 Wait. There are people who actually LOVE the Harrison Ford Ford voiceover?

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Guillermo del Toro loves it for some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (Jj43a)

495 Ah, an embarreling...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (7LY+6)

496 Palpatine, tell me again about Balls of Fury?

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (2K6fY)

497 Stare long into the italicized Barrel, and the Barrel stares back into you.

Posted by: The italicized Barrel at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (UW4Uc)

498 The Italicans are coming!

Posted by: Monk at February 17, 2018 09:09 PM (g4lFK)

Wait, there's a Sofia Loren movie thread?

Posted by: SJW Hrothgar channeling Hillary at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (gwPgz)

499
I just wish he kept making movies.

I don't mind directors who take their time between projects, but this is getting ridiculous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 08:27 PM (Jj43a)

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talk about black listing people:

The guy who made Red Dawn got serious blacklisted. I saw the documentary on him...he was a ballsy dude who could have redefined cinema but no..red dawn made liberal super sad and he lost all the work.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (V3U1L)

500 482 Wait. There are people who actually LOVE the Harrison Ford Ford voiceover?
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That was the first version I saw, and I thought it gave a noir gumshoe feel to the flick.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (qJtVm)

501 I wonder what the Double Feature is tonight in The Barrel.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 17, 2018 09:12 PM (4ErVI)

502 speaking v non speaking movie characters.

I always giggle when I see a character with a one word, or one line speaking part. I read somewhere that a non speaking part makes you an unskilled extra. Having even one word of dialog makes you an actor and it pays better.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 09:12 PM (roQNm)

503 that italics episode was spectacular

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:12 PM (bjSMX)

504 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 09:12 PM (roQNm)

Yeah that's the 'scale' you hear actors talk about.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 09:13 PM (2DOZq)

505 I liked Gods of Egypt. Cheesy fun, a superhero movie for people who hate superhero movies.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 17, 2018 09:13 PM (/qEW2)

506 It all depends if you have seen the original at the movies, seems to me..

That is your base. I saw the theatrical release of Bladerunner in a test screening.. I'm a SciFi guy.. I loved it.. I have no idea why people are so put off by the narration.. could stuff have been explained another way? Sure.. I had no problem with the narration..

And.. it begs the question.. People who have seen the narration version.. they already knew the background when they saw the non-narrated versions.. would they have grasped the background without having the prior knowledge the narrated version provided? I highly doubt it.

The narrated version hearkens back to detective movies from the 40's.. I actually like that.. dirty and gritty..

We saw the new sequel in theater last fall.. meh..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2018 09:13 PM (5tSKk)

507 499
The guy who made Red Dawn got serious blacklisted. I saw the documentary on him...he was a ballsy dude who could have redefined cinema but no..red dawn made liberal super sad and he lost all the work.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (V3U1L)

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I need to reach both movies before I do, but I'm planning a post that compares Dr Strangelove to Red Dawn. Both are cold war paranoia movies, but one of considered prescient and the other is considered insane.

Neither actually ended up coming true, and yet the impression of both remains. It's interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:13 PM (Jj43a)

508 Found IN LIKE FLINT or OUR MAN FLINT or whatever a few weeks ago at Goodwill for a buck. Always like Coburn but the flick was tedious and awful, even as campy spoof (or spoofy camp).

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:14 PM (UW4Uc)

509 I've watched two movies in the theater in the last eight years, and I'm not going to break pattern for Black Panther, but I'll watch it when it hits TV screens.

And while I suspect it will be relatively enjoyable, I imagine critics feel obliged to oversell it as it due to the bizarre societal consensus that it apparently marks some pivotal moment in Black History or something. (Likely an unfair comparison, but the glowing reviews of the lady Ghoestbusters shitstorm are pathetic.)

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:14 PM (rft/I)

510 The guy who made Red Dawn got serious blacklisted. I saw the documentary on him...he was a ballsy dude who could have redefined cinema but no..red dawn made liberal super sad and he lost all the work.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (V3U1L)
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John Milius made some of my favorite films: Conan, the Wind and the Lion, and The Rough Riders.

Word is that John Goodman's character in The Big Lebowski was basically Milius.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 09:14 PM (qJtVm)

511 my son and I watched Blood Simple for the first time this week. creepy.

super creepy

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:14 PM (bjSMX)

512 Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:11 PM (V3U1L)

Seriously my good man, a good movie must have propaganda at its very core, we can't be giving the peasants ideas or hope, now can we!

Posted by: SJW Hrothgar at February 17, 2018 09:15 PM (gwPgz)

513 509 I've watched two movies in the theater in the last eight years, and I'm not going to break pattern for Black Panther, but I'll watch it when it hits TV screens.

And while I suspect it will be relatively enjoyable, I imagine critics feel obliged to oversell it as it due to the bizarre societal consensus that it apparently marks some pivotal moment in Black History or something. (Likely an unfair comparison, but the glowing reviews of the lady Ghoestbusters shitstorm are pathetic.)
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:14 PM (rft/I)

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They've all forgotten the existence of the movie Blade, as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:15 PM (Jj43a)

514 I was drunk, Joan.

Posted by: Zombie Robert Mitchum at February 17, 2018 09:15 PM (UZlUQ)

515 That was the first version I saw, and I thought it gave a noir gumshoe feel to the flick.

Posted by: All Hail Eris
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Yup.. I don't understand people who don't "get" it.. go back and watch gumshoe movies like some of Bogie's from the 40's

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2018 09:15 PM (5tSKk)

516 Fucking Nihilists!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:16 PM (KP5rU)

517 We talked about Borgnine but has anyone watched Marty?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 09:16 PM (2DOZq)

518 wonder what the Double Feature is tonight in The Barrel"

Science fiction?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:17 PM (7LY+6)

519 recent movies for me:
Valerian. Good job. Like the fifth element but with too much CGI everywhere. So things look less real. The lead dude is the skinny kid from Chronicle who talked like Keanu REevees in Cure for Wellness and now talks like Lance from Portlandia in Valerian.

Only the Brave. about what you'd expect from a movie about something that really sucks happening to a bunch of heroic alpha males.

Thank you for your service. SEe the above comment but not as enjoyable.

It: I don't know, I'm odd I enjoyed it. All the 80's stuff was great. I've never seen any version or read anything about this book, so it was a great surprise.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:17 PM (V3U1L)

520 yes, I've seen Marty. It's an effective heartstrings tugger.

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:17 PM (bjSMX)

521 482 Wait. There are people who actually LOVE the Harrison Ford Ford voiceover?

I love the voiceover. 'Course I also think the special effects in the BBC Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy TV series were about perfect.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 09:18 PM (2//jc)

522 Always been largely indifferent to Blade Runner narration version. Adds a slightly different tone overall but doesn't change the substance of it for me. Can't recall how many decades it's been since I've seen that version, come to think of it.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:18 PM (UW4Uc)

523 I liked Gods of Egypt. Cheesy fun, a superhero movie for people who hate superhero movies.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

It's kind of ok in a weird CGI dumpster fire way.

I thought I was going to loath it, but it completed its mission nonetheless.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 17, 2018 09:18 PM (KXVP7)

524 Wide-screen italics.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 17, 2018 09:18 PM (y3sT9)

525 and I'm of the age where I snuck into briefly catch a glance of red dawn in the movies and it was my favorite thing as a teenager. I had no idea there was a thing about it or anything.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:19 PM (V3U1L)

526 511 my son and I watched Blood Simple for the first time this week. creepy.

super creepy
Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:14 PM (bjSMX)

I really need to see the whole thing. I remember seeing part of it long ago when I had cable. The part where a guy was trying to clean up a murder scene was simultaneously cringe-inducing and side-splitting hilarious. That made me a Coen fan for life.

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2018 09:19 PM (sdi6R)

527 508
Found IN LIKE FLINT or OUR MAN FLINT or whatever a few weeks ago at Goodwill for a buck.

How do you feel about The President's Analyst?

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 09:19 PM (2//jc)

528 They've all forgotten the existence of the movie Blade, as well."

Who's the black private dick that's a sex machine....?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:19 PM (7LY+6)

529 523 I liked Gods of Egypt. Cheesy fun, a superhero movie for people who hate superhero movies.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

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yeah, I commented above too. It's the definition of under-rated. critics hated it. I don't know if it made money. But you know...good job. a fun take on a long forgotten part of huyman history

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:19 PM (V3U1L)

530 Two movies come to mind:

Donnie Darko. The theatrical cut is flawed, but it moves well, and gives a nice sense of mystery and uneasiness.

The Director's Cut is longer, and feels much longer yet. The director tries to explain his mysteries with pseudo-intellectual suede-o philosophy, and ends up replacing mystery with Stoner Goth Hallmark-Card College Larded Pretentious Dumbf*ckery.

The other movie: Peckinpah's 'Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid." Peckinpah gave up on the editing, either out of pique at the studio or because he needed to f*ck that sh*t and drink even more heavily.

There is an audience-preview version, the shorter theatrical cut, the TV-edit cut (with scenes not in the previous), and a later cut by a Peckinpah biographer who tried to put all the best bits together.

Of these, each one hits different highs and has different maddening holes. Events and rather major plot points change, James Coburn gets harder or more subtle, and the blank slate that is Kristofferson gets shaken like an Etch-a-Sketch.

With the various available scenes and footage it would be a great movie of which to make your own edit.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 09:20 PM (b0FHX)

531 I love the voiceover. 'Course I also think the special effects in the BBC Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy TV series were about perfect.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 09:18 PM (2//jc)
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I don't give a dingo's kidneys about CGI - give me basic practical effects any day.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 09:20 PM (qJtVm)

532 Well to be honest, if Harrison Ford is doing voiceovers, he isn't flying.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:20 PM (KP5rU)

533 Always been largely indifferent to Blade Runner"

That's my take.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:21 PM (7LY+6)

534 John Milius made some of my favorite films: Conan, the Wind and the Lion, and The Rough Riders.
Word is that John Goodman's character in The Big Lebowski was basically Milius."

I agree with you on all of those movies, Milius is a favorite of mine as well. That's hilarious, the idea that Walter Sobchak was John Milius.

Milius also wrote the script for Jeremiah Johnson, although Sydney Pollack directed it. Milius did Heroism better than anybody.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:21 PM (V2Yro)

535 Both of Adam Carolla's movies are very underrated.

The Hammer

Road Hard

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 09:21 PM (2DOZq)

536 Conan is another where a great villain makes the movie.

Posted by: geoffb at February 17, 2018 09:22 PM (zOpu5)

537 Dark City deserves more credit than it gets, as does 13th Floor, which is not perfect and could do without a lot of the snarky detective but is more thought-provoking than The Matrix.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:22 PM (UW4Uc)

538 John Milius made some of my favorite films: Conan, the Wind and the Lion, and The Rough Riders.
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yeah, my girlfriends get my patented "Intro to real movies made before every sucks shit, like right now"

milius is on the coursework just like comparing and contrasting 80-90's awesome works of art versus soulless corporate remakes that miss the point.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:22 PM (V3U1L)

539

The narration is mostly exposition that isn't needed and spoon feeding about characters. Yes, it works in a noir tone, but I disagree that the movie is best served with touch. It diminishes the movie.

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 09:22 PM (qGuLD)

540 underrated: morons from outer space

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 09:23 PM (2//jc)

541 Wait, there's a Sofia Loren movie thread?

Posted by: SJW Hrothgar
***********************

Boy on a Dolphin
Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 09:23 PM (I+uRD)

542 How to explain this?
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:01 PM (pV/54)

Lenfilm is not dead.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2018 09:23 PM (EoRCO)

543 482 Wait. There are people who actually LOVE the Harrison Ford Ford voiceover? I find it dreadful. Ford sounds like he's barely interested, like someone just shoved a piece of paper in his face and said, "Read this." Ford later claimed he was doing it poorly intentionally so it wouldn't be used. (Whether he was telling the truth, I don't know.) The stunning visuals and story overcome it though.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (rft/I)

++++

I am one of those people. I like the International version best. It is basically the original US theatrical release, but with a bit more violence and gore included.

Yes, Dekkard sounds disaffected and disinterested in the narration. But, that is in keeping with the Film Noir detective flicks from the 30s and 40s. Think Humphrey Bogart doing his bit. And, Blade Runner as an old fashioned detective movie, set in the 21st century, was a great setup for a film. I still prefer it to this day, not because I need the info in the narration, but because it helps with the tone of the movie.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 09:23 PM (pvjTE)

544 Listen to this and you will be carried off into the world of Hitchhikers Guide, BBC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG40elYiFmM

I still can't believe that's an Eagles song.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:24 PM (V2Yro)

545 Wait, there's a Sofia Loren movie thread? "

Waiting to bust out...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:24 PM (7LY+6)

546 Exorcist III

George C. Scott, solid. Brad Dourif, very good performance. One shock scene involving a yuuuge pair of scissors.

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 09:00 PM (EzdLW)

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The long shot down a hallway where a ghost appears behind someone? I thought it was a giant knife, or sword.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 17, 2018 09:24 PM (/qEW2)

547 Wait, there's a Sofia Loren movie thread?

Posted by: SJW Hrothgar
***********************

Boy on a Dolphin
Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 09:23 PM (I+uRD)

Marriage Italian Style

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 09:24 PM (SiINZ)

548 As for Brad Pitt. Among others I liked him in "Meet Joe Black" and "Snatch" and two more different characters he plays.

Posted by: geoffb at February 17, 2018 09:25 PM (zOpu5)

549 And cable and the networks must hate Carolla because they never show his movies . And they would be comparably inexpensive to run.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 09:25 PM (2DOZq)

550 Okay, underrated movies plus Paul Bettany gives you Legion, in which he is a defrocked Archangel Michael out to save humanity from the coming apocalypse.

Grilled cheez on cheezy bread and I always have to watch it when it's on the t.v.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage

Did you ever see "The Horn Blows at Midnight"
with Jack Benny ?

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 09:25 PM (bJ8oh)

551 Always been largely indifferent to Blade Runner"

That's my take.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:21 PM

#metoo. I've seen highlight reels, and the trailer(s) but have not seen either of the movies.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 17, 2018 09:25 PM (roQNm)

552
How do you feel about The President's Analyst?
Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 09:19 PM

Has to be remade with the evil entity being Google rather than The Phone Company.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 17, 2018 09:26 PM (IqV8l)

553 The War Lover - Steve McQueen and Robert Wagner

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I quite liked the novel and felt the movie didn't do it justice. Trivia: Michael Crawford, famous for Andrew Lloyd Webber musicals like Phantom of the Opera, was a minor character, one of the crewmen of The Body.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 09:26 PM (+y/Ru)

554 Did you ever see "The Horn Blows at Midnight"
with Jack Benny ?

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 09:25 PM (bJ8oh)

I think there was a joke on the Benny radio show that his movies were so bad they only places that could play them were funeral homes and the corpses walked out on them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 09:26 PM (SiINZ)

555 Dark City is the best movie ever made that ends with the main character and the main baddie floating in the air shooting psychic energy beams at each other with their minds.

I like it a lot. But it's the kind of movie where my wife walks in and asks "why do you watch movies like that???"

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:26 PM (V2Yro)

556 speaking of an overrrated movie...Get Out sucked balls. But I understand that the critics wet their pants over it

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:26 PM (V3U1L)

557 Hey everybody. Sigh, late to the movie thread again. :-)

TJM, interesting you brought up Blade Runner tonight. Two nights ago I was going to watch BR2049 with my bro-in-law, but I realized I hadn't seen any of the short films that take place between the original 1982 film and 2049, which supposedly help 'explain' the plot of 2049. So we watched those... *and* the "Blade Runner 101" special features which also helped explain things.

Long story short, between the film and the extra material described above, we ended up with about 3 hours of film to watch, and neither of us were up to that. So after the special features, we watched the first hour of BR2049, then paused once Ryan Gosling crash-lands in a pile of junk in San Diego.

Hoping to watch the last 90-or-so minutes with him in a week or so.

I also want to watch the director's cut of Das Boot, but oh man... it's almost *4* hours long. That will probably have to be a two-parter as well.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:27 PM (eMKNe)

558 Oh, I've seen the first. Several times. Still comes across as a mess...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:27 PM (7LY+6)

559 OK, not a movie, but entertainment...we have Netflix for a month and that "Orange is the New Black" is hysterical.

I thought it would be a lot of leftist tropes, but to me it parodies that stuff. It's funny and dark at the same time, not at all what I expected.

Posted by: Farmer at February 17, 2018 09:27 PM (yJ1e6)

560 simultaneously cringe-inducing and side-splitting hilarious.

rickl, i saw the absurdity in it, and it made us both shake our heads, but I just don't get it. To me, it was really well shot, modern noir, and I valued it, enjoyed it for that.

but i saw nothing funny about it. Now, Brother, Where Art Thou? I laughed a LOT at that movie. but not Blood Simple.

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:27 PM (bjSMX)

561 Dark City?!?

SHUT IT DOWN!
FOREVER!!!

Posted by: Creepy Ass Old Guy at February 17, 2018 09:27 PM (UZlUQ)

562 As far as bad apocalyptic movies, anyone remember Schwarzenegger's End of Days? The apocalypse happens in 1999, because you remove the one, turn it upside down ...

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM (/qEW2)

563 Did you ever see "The Horn Blows at Midnight"
with Jack Benny ?
Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 09:25 PM

Jack occasionally had it mocked on his TV show as being a bomb.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM (IqV8l)

564 511 my son and I watched Blood Simple for the first time this week. creepy.

super creepy

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:14 PM (bjSMX)

++++

Love that film. M. Emmett Walsh is a great character actor. And that music when he is removing that knife from his hand. Hilarious.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM (pvjTE)

565 I do have my own particular 'edits' of films.

For instance,, I like to show young children 'The Lion King' and turn it off after the Father Lion dies, and tell them that is how it ends.

This also works -- of course -- with Bambi, by turning it off after Bambi's mother dies. The End.

Do not ask me where I find the young children.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM (b0FHX)

566 557
I also want to watch the director's cut of Das Boot, but oh man... it's almost *4* hours long. That will probably have to be a two-parter as well.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:27 PM (eMKNe)

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That's nothing.

I just downloaded a 6 hour long silent movie about Napoleon.

I'm, like, super stoked. No kidding.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM (Jj43a)

567 Movies that, for me, will probably have to be two-parters:

- Once Upon a Time in America
- Once Upon a Time in the West
- Lawrence of Arabia
- Ben-Hur (saw it so long ago, don't remember much of it)
- Das Boot, director's cut
- Exodus

... and probably a few others.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM (eMKNe)

568 "meet Joe Black" is another movie where the long version actually makes a lot more sense - it makes the business plot a lot more believable.

and I can't explain it, but Claire Forlani in that particular movie becomes the most beautiful girl that ever lived. At least to me.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:29 PM (V2Yro)

569 Das Boot is a Sandra Fluke flick. Sausages hanging all over that damn sub. Stupid Germans.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:29 PM (KP5rU)

570 John Wayne though shot the bad guy from the shadows instead of confronting him face to face. I do find something wrong with that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 08:07 PM (2DOZq)

John Wayne shot Liberty from the shadows because he loved Hallie and Hallie loved Jimmy Stewart.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 17, 2018 09:29 PM (DAdSz)

571 TJM, hey, I have the Criterion of Shoah. 9 hours long. ;-)

At Amazon, most reviewers recommend watching 1-2 hours at a time over the course of 4-5 nights.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:29 PM (eMKNe)

572 Donnie Darko. The theatrical cut is flawed, but it moves well, and gives a nice sense of mystery and uneasiness.

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I liked that movie. It didn't make hell of a lot of sense . . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 09:30 PM (+y/Ru)

573
I just downloaded a 6 hour long silent movie about Napoleon.

I'm, like, super stoked. No kidding.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM (Jj43a)
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Is that the one Coppola restored? I always wanted to see that.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 09:30 PM (qJtVm)

574 I think there was a joke on the Benny radio show that his movies were so bad they only places that could play them were funeral homes and the corpses walked out on them

I really liked that flick.

Benny and Sinatra were kibitzing on some show and Sinatra said " Yeah you had "The Horn Blows at Midnite and I had "The Kissing Bandit""

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 09:30 PM (bJ8oh)

575 My thought was that Rachel and Deckard would have been human with implanted memories. Rachel as a prototype, and Deckard as operational. This would have been for exporting people to the outworlds , and pre-training for the replicants.

It wouldn't have to be though. Dick's works went around two poles, one is the question about when you play with reality how do you tell when you have stopped; the other is about alienation and anomie in society. Deckard could have been completely divorced from his humanity by the role he played in hunting down and killing replicants, and become more attached to his prey than his peers and superiors who he found to be vile, corrupt and alien.

In the original book, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Deckard becomes more and more alienated from his family, society and humanity, and becomes more attached to the androids he hunts. Oddly the android girl rejects the artificiality and Deckard. But there is also the question about creating android animals to replace the ones destroyed, and there is a question about how to tell the difference.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2018 09:30 PM (2K6fY)

576 That's nothing.

I just downloaded a 6 hour long silent movie about Napoleon.

I'm, like, super stoked. No kidding.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:28 PM

The Abel Gance movie?

Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 09:30 PM (qGuLD)

577 I just downloaded a 6 hour long silent movie about Napoleon"

Napoleon?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:30 PM (7LY+6)

578 TJM, is the movie you describe, the Abel Dance edition of Napoleon, that came out in (I believe) 1927?

Interesting things I know Gance did with that movie, including projecting *3* images at once onto a CinemaScope-style screen. Was supposedly way ahead of its time cinematically and in other ways. I'd like to see that too.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:31 PM (eMKNe)

579 Why doesn't anyone ever visit me?

Posted by: Shell Beach at February 17, 2018 09:31 PM (UZlUQ)

580 I think voiceover is generally bad (especially when used throughout a movie) as it's an admission that the actual movie is doing an inadequate job of telling the story. My favorite use of voiceover is probably Sunset Blvd, mostly because of how it pays off with the ending.

But regardless of the value of voiceover to Blade Runner, Ford's flat, emotionless delivery feels like someone reading a phone book. One might counter it fits his "dehumanization" or something, but I think it's just an actor doing something he's told to do, but doesn't want to do.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:31 PM (rft/I)

581 Suggest a future thread on composers.

Zimmer v Williams v Morricone v Vangelis v Herrmann v Korngold.

It's where classical music went to hide out.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:32 PM (pV/54)

582 6 hour long silent movie about Napoleon?

What's he doing playing chess?

Posted by: dantesed at February 17, 2018 09:32 PM (88xKn)

583 Exodus

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Exodus II: This Time It's 1967

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 09:32 PM (+y/Ru)

584 Donnie Darko. The theatrical cut is flawed, but it moves well, and gives a nice sense of mystery and uneasiness.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 09:20 PM (b0FHX)

I should have loved this on paper (saw the theatrical version) but absolutely got nothing out of it.* Best I can describe it is that while, say, Primer is completely impenetrable unless you draw up your own cross-indexed archive of wtf is happening, all you need to figure it out it is in the movie. It doesn't make things easy at all, but everything's right there, just out of order and in the wrong timeline. Donnie Darko, I didn't get the impression that it was meant to be discussed and figured out, you just cheat and skip to the answers at the back of the book because you'll never get it on your own.

* I have to admit that "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion" is one of the top five lines of all time.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 17, 2018 09:32 PM (y87Qq)

585 "Brother Where Art Thou" is one of my favorite movies, and one I can watch over and over - but that's because I love the music, and that movie is all about the Music.

I read that the Coen Bros asked T Bone Burnett to put together a musical set, songs he wanted to use, gave him the runtime they wanted. Then they worked their script around and wrote the scenes to fit the soundtrack that T Bone Burnett had already given them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:32 PM (V2Yro)

586 yeah, blade runner has the thing that a lot of old movies have. It's shorter than you think. It's really kind of a goof, since the main point of the plot is that everyone left on earth is kind of a loser. LA has been taken over by diversity because everyone left. People talk a mishmash of languages. There's ads everywhere. the cops don't really care. There are super rich people that live in super pyramid cities but they're mostly too old to go on space journeys to sex planets.

The final scene between dekker and rutger made no damn sence as harrison should have died a few dozen times climbing over the side of a wet building. no robot is that dumb. no human either, for that matter.

There's really no reading of Dekker as a replicant and I don't even think that's a point of interest for the director in either cut. Harrison Ford is just goofing around and gets called in to check out the latest sex robot who doesn't know she's a sex robot and he falls for her like a chump.

But they survive and run oft to go live in Oregon...which I assume no one wants to live in anymore because it has yucky trees.

I saw BR recently and I can't remember if it was the DC or OG cut but who cares.

As for origiami...The origami guy came by Harrison's place to look for the robot sex girl he fell in love with and may have done a solid by looking the other way.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:33 PM (V3U1L)

587 Anonosaurus, that would work as a comedy.

Egyptian Military General: "Whaddaya mean we don't have an air force anymore?!?!?" ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:33 PM (eMKNe)

588 568 totally agree, Claire was stunning in that movie but then she wasn*t seen in anything again. Did she get Weinsteined?

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 17, 2018 09:33 PM (DAdSz)

589 576
The Abel Gance movie?
Posted by: otho at February 17, 2018 09:30 PM (qGuLD)

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Yup.

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578 TJM, is the movie you describe, the Abel Dance edition of Napoleon, that came out in (I believe) 1927?

Interesting things I know Gance did with that movie, including projecting *3* images at once onto a CinemaScope-style screen. Was supposedly way ahead of its time cinematically and in other ways. I'd like to see that too.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:31 PM (eMKNe)

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See what I mean by super stoked?

I had never heard of it until a few days ago (shame on me), but I jumped at it as soon as I could.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at February 17, 2018 09:33 PM (Jj43a)

590 I have Blade Runner and The Final Cut (and 2049), but prefer the theatrical release cuz the visceral reaction to new material occurs only once. Too often the director's cut is a vanity exercise where one can see the gears whirring. I'm a sap for Ridley too, as Executive Producer he has an array of film & TV in the pipeline for 2018 & 2019.

The Matrix came pretty close to pulling off the sequel hat trick.

I always thought it odd that Lean cast Peggy Ashcroft in "A Passage to India" just two years after her turn as Barbie Batchelor in "The Jewel in the Crown", which was the jewel in the production, although Tim Piggot-Smith was a close second. I recently binge rewatched the series and it holds up very well...and I still detest
Ronald Merrick.

Posted by: Shanks for ther memory at February 17, 2018 09:34 PM (TdCQk)

591 for some reason, Donnie Darko made Jake G sexy. He was some kind of wholesome, until he did DD.

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:34 PM (bjSMX)

592 John Wayne shot Liberty from the shadows because he loved Hallie and Hallie loved Jimmy Stewart.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at

I was gonna reply to that, but you stated it more succinctly. Nice going, and thanks.

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 09:34 PM (bJ8oh)

593 If you're going to see Black Panther don't forget to show up early to help register more Dems to vote.

Giving your dollars to leftwing Hollywood isn't enough.

Get active!

Posted by: SHEP at February 17, 2018 09:34 PM (MAstk)

594 I don't know whether the Night Of The Living Dead special edition thingy that I bought my superfan wife equals the variety of the Blade Runner package, but there sure were a lot of DVDs in there.

Posted by: Splunge at February 17, 2018 09:35 PM (Vb4BV)

595 543
482 Wait. There are people who actually LOVE the Harrison Ford Ford
voiceover? I find it dreadful. Ford sounds like he's barely interested,
like someone just shoved a piece of paper in his face and said, "Read
this." Ford later claimed he was doing it poorly intentionally so it
wouldn't be used. (Whether he was telling the truth, I don't know.) The
stunning visuals and story overcome it though.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:08 PM (rft/I)

++++

I am one of those people. I like the International version best. It
is basically the original US theatrical release, but with a bit more
violence and gore included.

Yes, Dekkard sounds disaffected and disinterested in the narration.
But, that is in keeping with the Film Noir detective flicks from the 30s
and 40s. Think Humphrey Bogart doing his bit. And, Blade Runner as an
old fashioned detective movie, set in the 21st century, was a great
setup for a film. I still prefer it to this day, not because I need the
info in the narration, but because it helps with the tone of the movie.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 17, 2018 09:23 PM (pvjTE)

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Me too. It falls flat only in Roy Batty's death scene. Delete it there and the movie is perfect as is.

Posted by: Jackal at February 17, 2018 09:35 PM (o3+fQ)

596 Damn. I'm gone for a few hours and you go from 50 comments to 590. Ya'll have been busy!

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 17, 2018 09:35 PM (dUJdY)

597 I don't know about director's cuts, but Paul Verhoeven ought to be handcuffed to a tree, and have his balls pulled off by a chain hoist rigged to the next tree over, for Starship Troopers.

Posted by: Monty James at February 17, 2018 09:35 PM (gKOMX)

598 597: Newsletter?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:36 PM (KP5rU)

599 also, yeah, I rewatched BR with an eye towards "is he a robot" and told cowatcher with virgin BR eyes to keep an eye out for that too. Consensus is "what wishcasting is this?"

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:36 PM (V3U1L)

600 As for origiami...The origami guy came by Harrison's place to look for the robot sex girl he fell in love with and may have done a solid by looking the other way.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:33 PM (V3U1L)
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This is what I think too. Gaff left an origami to let Decker know that he visited but would turn a blind eye should they try to escape. That he could waste the lovers but chose not to.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at February 17, 2018 09:37 PM (qJtVm)

601 Tom, I agree with you about Brother being all about the music. The comedy, though, hit me where I live. I laughed myself silly at that movie. I still smile when I think of that frog in the guy's clothes, and the 'roll-top desk' at the end.

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:37 PM (bjSMX)

602 596 Damn. I'm gone for a few hours and you go from 50 comments to 590. Ya'll have been busy!
Posted by: Jewells45 at Febr

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sleeet, flu. cabin fever.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:37 PM (V3U1L)

603 I think voiceover is generally bad

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I love Sam Elliott's voiceover in The Big Lebowski, "But sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I've done introduced him enough."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Broke, Woke, Toke, Joke at February 17, 2018 09:37 PM (+y/Ru)

604 I had never heard of it until a few days ago "

That's the quintessential "image" of Napoleon...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:38 PM (7LY+6)

605 John Wayne shot Liberty from the shadows because he loved Hallie and Hallie loved Jimmy Stewart.

Posted by: Cheriebebe

I love The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, though the post-climactic denouement could have been wrapped up more quickly (or perhaps omitted altogether).

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:38 PM (rft/I)

606 I read that the Coen Bros asked T Bone Burnett to put together a musical set, songs he wanted to use, gave him the runtime they wanted. Then they worked their script around and wrote the scenes to fit the soundtrack that T Bone Burnett had already given them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:32 PM (V2Yro)

Amazing, on both counts. The music is great, but so are the characters, and the acting, and the story arc, and the cinematography. It's hard to do "madcap" without inspiring a few eyerolls along the way, but this was just perfect.

Posted by: Splunge at February 17, 2018 09:38 PM (Vb4BV)

607 I've read the producers were so unhappy with Harrison Ford's narration when they forced him to do it, they begged and/or tried to force him to do more takes of it, which he absolutely refused.

I'd bet Ford's deliberately poor performance is one of the things that inspired Ridley Scott to tinker with the cut of BR, so that the narration wasn't necessary anymore and the movie could be better constructed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:38 PM (eMKNe)

608 I don't know about director's cuts, but Paul Verhoeven ought to be handcuffed to a tree, and have his balls pulled off by a chain hoist rigged to the next tree over, for Starship Troopers.

God, I remember my kids dragging me to see that piece of shit. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 17, 2018 09:39 PM (dUJdY)

609 Nikolas Cruz is Donnie Darko.

Posted by: Nick Nailer at February 17, 2018 09:39 PM (kBuGL)

610 "The Dude Abides. I find that kinda comforting."

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:39 PM (V2Yro)

611 597,

What do you have against trees?

Snort.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:39 PM (7LY+6)

612 525 My experience of Red Dawn was just the opposite... it's the only movie I ever walked out of the theater on because the deer-slaughtering scene was too gross for my delicate sensibilities at the time. I was still in high school and had gone to the mall with my then boyfriend to see it, but when that scene hit, I told him I was going to go do some shopping in the mall and meet him later! I wasn't mad at him or anything, just unexpectedly grossed out, and he was cool with it.

Posted by: Secret Square at February 17, 2018 09:40 PM (9WuX0)

613 Both of Adam Carolla's movies are very underrated.

The Hammer

Road Hard

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

They must be. I've never heard of either of them.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:40 PM (rft/I)

614 I'm definitely not phisticated enough for this thread.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:40 PM (KP5rU)

615 I'm definitely not phisticated enough for this thread."

So?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 17, 2018 09:41 PM (7LY+6)

616 chavez! you are SO phisticated.

Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:41 PM (bjSMX)

617 615; So, Basesketball?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 17, 2018 09:42 PM (KP5rU)

618 The top three RT critics picks for 2017 are:

Get Out 99%
Lady Bird 99%
The Big Sick 98%

https://www.rottentomatoes.com
/top/bestofrt/?year=2017

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 17, 2018 09:42 PM (pV/54)

619 I really need to see the whole thing. I remember seeing part of it long ago when I had cable. The part where a guy was trying to clean up a murder scene was simultaneously cringe-inducing and side-splitting hilarious. That made me a Coen fan for life.
Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2018 09:19 PM (sdi6R)

I saw part of it too, long after my Coen addiction was firmly ensconced. Didn't finish it, but part of that was that it was so visceral, so intense, like you could smell the sweat and the unease, and I just wasn't in the mood. My most vivid memory was a scene that took place crammed into the front seat of a little VW bug; the feel of that has never left me. I need to go back and watch the whole thing.

Posted by: Splunge at February 17, 2018 09:42 PM (Vb4BV)

620 I was mentally confusing Dark City with Darkman, another good scifi flick.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 17, 2018 09:42 PM (/qEW2)

621 612 525 My experience of Red Dawn was just the opposite... it's the only movie I ever walked out of the theater on because the deer-slaughtering scene was too gross for my delicate sensibilities at the time. I was still in high school and had gone to the mall with my then boyfriend to see it, but when that scene hit, I told him I was going to go do some shopping in the mall and meet him later! I wasn't mad at him or anything, just unexpectedly grossed out, and he was cool with it.
Posted by: Secret Square

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1. you are a girl. A sweet thing I dated walked out of Million Dollar Baby. Another couldn't watch Blackhawk Down. I get it.

2. I didn't see the deer scene when I poked my head in in 1984 but later when I was a big boy who could successfully scheme to see R movies on VHS rental tapes even though I was way young still and had big hippy parents.

3. the deer scene is the sort of unapologetic shit milius and other 80's directors did because balls. Like...uh ver hoeven?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:42 PM (V3U1L)

622 560
rickl, i saw the absurdity in it, and it made us both shake our heads, but I just don't get it. To me, it was really well shot, modern noir, and I valued it, enjoyed it for that.

but i saw nothing funny about it. Now, Brother, Where Art Thou? I laughed a LOT at that movie. but not Blood Simple.
Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:27 PM (bjSMX)

Where he's trying to clean up the blood, and everything he does just keeps making it worse and worse and worse. It was like a scene from a nightmare. Yes, I found that funny.

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2018 09:43 PM (sdi6R)

623 So I take it Secret Square doesn't watch horror movies? lol!

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 17, 2018 09:44 PM (dUJdY)

624 I'd bet Ford's deliberately poor performance is one of the things that inspired Ridley Scott to tinker with the cut of BR, so that the narration wasn't necessary anymore and the movie could be better constructed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:38 PM (eMKNe)
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I saw the original theater version.
I don't recall a voiceover.
Am I'm having a lapse of moment?

Posted by: gNewt at February 17, 2018 09:44 PM (I+uRD)

625 you can see the deleted scenes to "In Bruges" on Youtube

most of them should have been in the film, with the talky hooker / midget scene cut out.

if you don't like "In Bruges", please kys.

Posted by: Purity of Essence at February 17, 2018 09:44 PM (Co9e8)

626 54 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies.Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:23 PM (2DOZq)

More unwatched than underrated, Fear of a Black Hat, a satire on the rap community, is one of my favorite comedies. Very profane, but hilarious.

Posted by: Splunge at February 17, 2018 09:44 PM (Vb4BV)

627 "The final scene between dekker and rutger made no damn sence as harrison
should have died a few dozen times climbing over the side of a wet
building. no robot is that dumb. no human either, for that matter."

Deckard ended up on the wet roof because he was running in blind panic from an unstoppable killing machine who, luck would have it, had about 2 minutes of life left.

As for origiami...The origami guy came by Harrison's place to look for
the robot sex girl he fell in love with and may have done a solid by
looking the other way.

Except Deckard had dreamed of a unicorn. No one else could have known that, but Gaff did. That dream was an implant. Seeing the origami is where it all finally clicked for Deckard and he realized what he really is. Probably made him love Rachel all the more dearly. One thing was for sure, he was finished hunting replicants for good back on the roof. He was twice as quit now.

So why'd they let him go? (1) Because he did a man's work; killed all the 6s. A deal was a deal. (2) The memory implants made them non-erratic like the Nexus 6s. (3) Tyrell was dead, so no one had any claim on Rachel. The pair wanted to run but, maybe, Tyrell hadn't told them she (and he) had no preset life span. In any case the cops had no reason to consider them a risk. Probably figured they'd expire soon enough. Besides...Deckard's dangerous if he knows you're coming for him. So they let them go in peace. Works for me.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:44 PM (UW4Uc)

628 Nood, mes amis

Posted by: Miklos Molnar at February 17, 2018 09:45 PM (zCyNd)

629 Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 17, 2018 09:40 PM (rft/I)

Both really well done. Surprisingly they are both somewhat of a romantic comedy as opposed to a Man Show silliness type movie that people would assume Carolla would do.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 09:47 PM (2DOZq)

630 There's a lot of little things in "Brother" that the Coen's did, that I love. For example, the way they play with the Odysseus myth all the way through. And the Sherriff! Watch him closely, watch his eyes - or actually his total lack of eyes. He wears those dark glasses, but he's always lined up so that if you look closely at his face, all you ever see where his eyes should be are Flames.

and then I love the little Wharvey gals. (pearsall sisters)

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 17, 2018 09:47 PM (V2Yro)

631 "Was like something they would have filmed in WW2... back when Hollywood actually liked the Military."

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That's because it was the only time we were fighting on the same side as the commies.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 17, 2018 09:48 PM (1ouh3)

632 I've mentioned this before, but IMHO one of the most interesting things about BR is its early history and how incredibly mixed the reviews were for it in 1982; there was absolutely no consensus that this was any kind of sci-fi masterpiece, yet today it's considered exactly that.

I specifically recall Gary Franklin, on KNXT Channel 2 News in his original film review, deriding BR for its (then considered over-the-top) violence.

I also remember that when VHS and Beta home video first became a thing, Blade Runner was one of the earliest best sellers, even though tapes at the time ran 80 bucks a pop.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:48 PM (eMKNe)

633 One movie I can EASILY watch at least once a year is Zulu and it never, ever gets old. Well, a few bits in the infirmary but apart from that...riveting.

Need to get a copy of Breaker Morant, too. It's been decades.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:48 PM (UW4Uc)

634 I saw the original theater version.
I don't recall a voiceover.
Am I'm having a lapse of moment?

Nah, only dogs can hear it.

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2018 09:48 PM (bJ8oh)

635 One my favorite sci-fi space horror movies was Event Horizon.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at February 17, 2018 09:50 PM (aMlLZ)

636 not buying the unicorn significance either. origami guy knew or not knew of dekkars dream but why would anyone tell origami guy "here's a list of dekkars dreams, just in case, yolo".

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:50 PM (V3U1L)

637 Well, I do now because my sensibilities are no longer as delicate as they used to be....

Posted by: Secret Square at February 17, 2018 09:51 PM (9WuX0)

638
I'd just like to say that I always enjoy hearing that a Robert Redford movie has bombed...

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at February 17, 2018 09:51 PM (/Y+z7)

639 oh right, one of my favorite movies that came out as a kid and is probably trash today is Looker. Or Green Ice.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:52 PM (V3U1L)

640 doomed, here you go. Criterion comes through again. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/ycljwef6

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:52 PM (eMKNe)

641 "not buying the unicorn significance either. origami guy knew or not
knew of dekkars dream but why would anyone tell origami guy "here's a
list of dekkars dreams, just in case, yolo"."
Ok.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:52 PM (UW4Uc)

642 67

Thank you!!!

Also this month, or March, finally COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT is coming out widescreen Blu-Ray. I'm planning to scrape the cash together to buy a Blu player just for this.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:54 PM (UW4Uc)

643 640 that shoulda been

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:55 PM (UW4Uc)

644 601 Tom, I agree with you about Brother being all about the music. The comedy, though, hit me where I live. I laughed myself silly at that movie. I still smile when I think of that frog in the guy's clothes, and the 'roll-top desk' at the end.
Posted by: booknlass at February 17, 2018 09:37 PM (bjSMX)

Won't give anything away, but what the most cheerful of the three prototagonists said to "Pete" in the movie theater, gasping out each word in a whisper, so it wouldn't be overheard, and Pete's facial expression in response, about choked me with laughter.

Posted by: Splunge at February 17, 2018 09:55 PM (Vb4BV)

645 doomed, you are welcome ;-)

I enjoy turning people on to Criterion titles, they really do a good job of restoring great editions of classic flicks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:56 PM (eMKNe)

646 Also this month, or March, finally COLOSSUS: THE
FORBIN PROJECT is coming out widescreen Blu-Ray. I'm planning to scrape
the cash together to buy a Blu player just for this.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:54 PM (UW4Uc)

Is that the one where the computer bangs the chick or takes over the world? Cause I like both of those.

Posted by: Skynet at February 17, 2018 09:57 PM (sXefu)

647 Takes over the world. I think you're thinking of one from the late '70s and a computerized house...can't recall the name...

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 09:58 PM (UW4Uc)

648 doomed, sounds like Skynet's grandpa. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 09:58 PM (eMKNe)

649 Demon Seed? Rings a bell, haven't looked it up.

Posted by: doomed at February 17, 2018 10:00 PM (UW4Uc)

650 doomed, here you go, again. :-)
A good BR player doesn't cost too many bucks anymore.

https://tinyurl.com/y7ebam3k

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 17, 2018 10:03 PM (eMKNe)

651 I love Sam Elliott's voiceover in The Big Lebowski, "But sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I've done introduced him enough."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

Puhlease, you coulda just stopped at ‘I love Sam Elliot”, he is a fantastic specimen of maleness! Could we get him to do our cookbook “audio”?

Posted by: Cheriebebe at February 17, 2018 10:08 PM (DAdSz)

652 612 My experience of Red Dawn was just the opposite... it's the only movie I ever walked out of the theater on

ninja iii: the domination. i walked out on that one.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 10:09 PM (2//jc)

653 d'oh!

Posted by: Anachronda at February 17, 2018 10:09 PM (2//jc)

654 0

Posted by: Hands at February 17, 2018 10:10 PM (EzdLW)

655 Yes, I watch old threads. Why do you ask?

Posted by: The Barrell at February 17, 2018 10:11 PM (Vb4BV)

656 597 I always promised myself that if I ever met Voorhaven I would cold-cock him.

Still waiting.

Posted by: Motionview at February 17, 2018 10:14 PM (pYQR/)

657 Daybreakers

Sicerio

I thought V the mini series was really good then the second part got dumb.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 17, 2018 10:22 PM (dKiJG)

658 652 612 My experience of Red Dawn was just the opposite... it's the only movie I ever walked out of the theater on

ninja iii: the domination. i walked out on that one.
Posted by: Anachronda

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walked out of born on the fourth

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 10:26 PM (V3U1L)

659 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: the film is now several inches longer.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:35 PM (b0FHX)

660 Under rated: RED with Bruce Willis, Mary Louise Parker, and Karl Urban. I don't know who was the biggest scene stealer, Brian Cox or John Malkovich. And Helen Mirren as a former MI6 hit woman. And Morgan Freeman. And Richard Dreyfuss. And last, but not least, it was the last movie Ernest Borgnine appeared in. Unfortunately, RED 2 was a sub par dud. Even Anthony Hopkins couldn't save it.

Posted by: Deplorable Lady with Only Two Deplorable Cats at February 17, 2018 10:38 PM (RU19b)

661 AHEM

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT ME?

*COUGH COUGH*

way before blade or spawn. I was the first.

Posted by: Blankman - the first black superhero at February 17, 2018 10:40 PM (aqpW6)

662 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: despite the protests of Animal Rights groups they restored the cockfighting scene.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:42 PM (b0FHX)

663 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: less mountain, more buttes.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:43 PM (b0FHX)

664 >>>661
AHEM

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT ME?

*COUGH COUGH*

way before blade or spawn. I was the first.
Posted by: Blankman - the first black superhero at February 17, 2018 10:40 PM (aqpW6)

___________

Amature. I was before you AND I used my super powers to build a garden in the DC projects!

Posted by: Meteorman - the REAL first black superhero at February 17, 2018 10:45 PM (IyvkP)

665 660 Under rated: RED

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yeah, I can buy that. Not quite critical cup of tea that was. But I thought both movies were fun.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 10:45 PM (V3U1L)

666 This is the Comment Of The Beast

Posted by: Monty James at February 17, 2018 10:46 PM (gKOMX)

667 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: a scene added of Jack Gyllenhaal at a door factory, getting his knob polished.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:47 PM (b0FHX)

668 >>>664
Amature. I was before you AND I used my super powers to build a garden in the DC projects!
Posted by: Meteorman - the REAL first black superhero at February 17, 2018 10:45 PM (IyvkP)

_________

Lies. It was me back in '77

Posted by: Abar, the First Black Superman at February 17, 2018 10:51 PM (mWCb+)

669 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: Heath Ledger explains to Jack Gyllenhaal that -- no -- bukkake is not a form of karaoke. Nor a martial art.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:51 PM (b0FHX)

670 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: added dialogue made clear that the horse was consenting.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:53 PM (b0FHX)

671 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: sound effects tweaked -- Foley slurping added. Also: the Wilhelm scream.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:56 PM (b0FHX)

672 Director's Cut of Brokeback Mountain: montage scene added. Hazy sunrise, soft-focus pick-up truck, stunt anus.

Posted by: laslo not lazlo at February 17, 2018 10:58 PM (b0FHX)

673 54 I would like to hear about the horde's list of most underrated movies. I know I've ignored watching some movies because they got bad reviews or didn't do well at the box office.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2018 07:23 PM (2DOZq)

I get into fights about the merits of 'Constantine,' mostly with fan boys who are too stuck about it being its own work and not a cinematic illustration of the comic, and with snobs who can't appreciate the narrow, stoic brilliance of Keanu Reeves.
But it's a dazzling, divine comedy of doubt, searching, self-sacrifice, and eventual salvation, disguised in pulp.
Covers more in two hours than six months of Sunday School, and as biblical study runs circles around the likes of The DaVinci Code.
I watch it every Easter.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 17, 2018 10:59 PM (+z0t8)

674 1. you are a girl. A sweet thing I dated walked out of Million Dollar Baby. Another couldn't watch Blackhawk Down. I get it.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 09:42 PM (V3U1L)

Whenever I watch BHD I have to fast forward through the Shughart/Gordon part.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 17, 2018 11:05 PM (+z0t8)

675 Oh, Geez, the Black Cauldron. It makes me sad to think of the missed opportunities of that movie. ...On the other hand, I did smile when Gurgi met his not-quite-ultimate fate.

Side note--that quirky way that Gurgi spoke came straight from the books. It may have been annoying, but they totally nailed the feel of it.

Posted by: Castle Guy at February 17, 2018 11:06 PM (Lhaco)

676 82 Quick underrated movie list:

Buckaroo Banzai

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 17, 2018 07:32 PM (xJa6I)

Bam!
High-five, monkey-boy.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 17, 2018 11:07 PM (+z0t8)

677 220 .said that the best movies, the best dramas are always the one that have the best VILLAINS, not the best protagonists! Bond movies have always known this, Marvel knows this, Dr. Who knows this. Darth Vader was more responsible for the success of Star Wars than any other character.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2018 07:57 PM (SiINZ)

Heat was one of the rare instances where the good guy was more interesting than the bad guy.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 17, 2018 11:14 PM (+z0t8)

678 166 Underrated Eastwood movie would be "Escape from Alcatraz".
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at February 17, 2018 07:48 PM (w+Jhj)

THE Underrated Eastwood, or any, movie, is 'A Perfect World.'

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 17, 2018 11:19 PM (+z0t8)

679 > "What's your experience with alternate cuts of movies? Is there a director's cut that you can't stand while loving the original?"

The Last of the Mohicans.
The theatrical release is my favorite movie of all time. The director's cut ruins the ending. Only the director's cut is available on DVD or BluRay. (No physical release of the theatrical version has ever been produced more recently than a letterbox VHS version).

Thankfully, for a short period a few years ago, the theatrical release was available on iTunes. As soon as I noticed the reviews commenting (ecstatically) that it was the theatrical version, I bought it, immediately. It is no longer up for sale on iTunes (only the director's cut is available).

Posted by: KSBsnowowl at February 17, 2018 11:28 PM (GYUEg)

680 I really like Constantine. I can imagine it was poorly received by the critics.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 17, 2018 11:50 PM (V3U1L)

681 680-First!

Posted by: Johnny at February 17, 2018 11:55 PM (kUotE)

682 Zapped! didn't get nearly the credit it deserved...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 17, 2018 11:56 PM (v9gSJ)

683 I prefer the Mel Gibson "Hamlet" over Kenneth Branagh's. Really nice visuals, and Mel goes crazy oh so well.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at February 18, 2018 12:23 AM (THS4q)

684 Chronicles of Riddick Directors cut has the scene with Syrah the Furion and one set of lines from the Furion purifier that fill in part of the backstory of Riddick and the Lord Marshall that are essential.

Posted by: R Daneel at February 18, 2018 12:44 AM (IL6PC)

685 Zapped! didn't get nearly the credit it deserved

Telekinetically yanking Jewel Shepard's top off is worth an Oscar by its self.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 18, 2018 12:51 AM (39g3+)

686 I love Cinema Paradiso and consider it the perfect movie, I recommend it to everyone but stress at all cost AVOID the directors cut which ruins a great movie and sucks all the emotional impact out of the theatrical versions ending.

Posted by: K.J. at February 18, 2018 01:05 AM (JY798)

687 yes, zapped. very nice. boobs.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 18, 2018 01:34 AM (V3U1L)

688 Regarding the Daniel Day-Lewis Last of the Mohicans I have the director's cut on DVD and the director's *definitive* cut on my kindle. I don't think I have ever seen the theatrical cut, although people more knowledgeable than me say that's the one you see if it airs on television.

The differences even between the two I own are striking. The definitive cut is so much darker, like a sepia lens was stuck over half the scenes.

Supposedly in the theatrical version you get a clear shot of the bottom of the cliff after the fight with Magua, which I can't really make out in either of my versions. I would like to see that.

Posted by: Gem at February 18, 2018 06:45 AM (XoAz8)

689 Late to the party (crashed early last night.) But...

I wonder how far we are from the point where other directors will be able to modify movies, coming out with their own versions. Of course, this would entail an end to one of the worlds actual religious beliefs, the worship of the Artist as Seer.

But the mention of Robin Hood made me think of this. It doesn't have to work the way we think it does. E.g., Malory's Arthur is just the end of a long series of books on the theme.

Posted by: George LeS at February 18, 2018 09:18 AM (+TcCF)

690 Way late to the party also. Aliens, the "original" theatrical release.

Had the scene with the sentry guns and the scene where Ripley find out about her daughter. Those scenes were in the movie when my wife and I saw it at the theater the day it opened (did NOT have the scenes about Newt's family).

For years I thought I was going crazy and had imagined them because I couldn't find any copies that had those scenes in it. Every time we watched it (and we were big fans) I'd be pissed about it.

Posted by: mark at February 18, 2018 09:58 AM (+I53e)

691 Also, Blade Runner with the narration. I keep hearing that Ford tried to blow it, but I think the bored monotone he used made the movie.

Posted by: mark at February 18, 2018 10:00 AM (+I53e)

692 Got home late last night, so this is late.

But saw Black Panther. It was ok. Chadwick Boseman is damn charismatic. Fight choreography was terrible and terribly shot. Wakanda was very well developed, I wish someone had lavished 1/10th the amount of attention developing Asgard. There are flaws and nitpicks and one or two swipes at whites and one indirect swipe at Trumpism (but not Trump himself). But it could have been worse.

There were places I laughed were I wasn't probably intended to, like the guy with the plate in his lip.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 18, 2018 11:51 AM (xJa6I)

693
Had the scene with the sentry guns and the scene where Ripley find out about her daughter. Those scenes were in the movie when my wife and I saw it at the theater the day it opened (did NOT have the scenes about Newt's family).

For years I thought I was going crazy and had imagined them because I couldn't find any copies that had those scenes in it. Every time we watched it (and we were big fans) I'd be pissed about it.
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right. it can be a mindwarp.
I saw the sentry guns in a tv version of all things. never to be seen again.

Something similar to me is Any Given Sunday. I feel like there are 100 versions released to be played on tv and on premium cable. Little things here and there pop up and leave. Like was Cameron Diaz dating the OC at one point (or a similar looking lawyer)?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 18, 2018 02:39 PM (V3U1L)

694 But saw Black Panther. It was ok. Chadwick Boseman is damn charismatic. Fight choreography was terrible and terribly shot. Wakanda was very well developed, I wish someone had lavished 1/10th the amount of attention on Asgard.

What, you didn't like the Northern Lights repurposed from Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer?

Posted by: Gem at February 18, 2018 02:47 PM (XoAz8)

695 Ridley pontificating about going over budget is a bit precious considering his epic brawls over blade runner shooting schedule. Ridley later adopted Clint Eastwood's barebones production style; million dollar baby/gran torino with his barebones film 'a good year.' My only complaint about Scott's work is his outright contempt for sentimentality. His work being so devoid of sentiment that it becomes flat - it's like a wine so dry it sucks moisture from my mouth.

Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2018 03:53 PM (K3B2k)

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