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Sunday Gun Thread: Striker-Fire Edition (With Additional Fashion Content)
Anyone ever get a hot cartridge down their shirt or lodged between their shooting glasses and their nose or temple or brow? I have a nice little burn on my chest from a .40S&W cartridge that got past my zipped up sweater! The worst part by far was having to stand there, feeling it burn and smelling the sizzle of burned flesh while I decocked the pistol and placed it on the bench, ....(not really, but it hurt). Down the shirt
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Jewells45 at January 21, 2018 06:27 PM (dUJdY)
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Posted by: The Last Man at the CDC at January 21, 2018 06:30 PM (jeefx)
Posted by: Traveling Man at January 21, 2018 06:30 PM (R5lpX)
Yeah, not great, but it only cost $119.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 21, 2018 06:30 PM (oVJmc)
Specifically, this deal:
https://grabagun.com/springfield-94.html
I like that it has the grip safety, but I will still miss an external safety, I think.
We shall see.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 06:31 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)
Wait...What? Loretta Lynch Already Knew Comey Would Let Hillary Go Free When Announcing She Would Accept FBI's Conclusion
Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 21, 2018 06:31 PM (y3aQB)
i have suggested to my source that they inquire as to what is going on and what is next for them personally
we shall see.
meanwhile, they are still contesting the 10 round mag limit, which, if they win, might kill such stupidity nationwide.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 06:31 PM (xsabZ)
Once. I had a piece of hot brass bounce off the side wall of the shooting station, over my glasses, and lodge against the top of my cheek. Nice little sizzle. After that day I always wore a cap.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 06:31 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 21, 2018 06:32 PM (Eu5eZ)
Posted by: OldGrunt at January 21, 2018 06:32 PM (q70zf)
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 21, 2018 06:32 PM (MTjB1)
Mine sounds like a firecracker. I wouldn't be scared to pop off a few rounds without ear protection but then, I'm already old and deaf.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 06:32 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: hogmartin at January 21, 2018 06:33 PM (y87Qq)
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 06:34 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Traveling Man at January 21, 2018 06:34 PM (R5lpX)
wall of the shooting station, over my glasses, and lodge against the
top of my cheek. Nice little sizzle. After that day I always wore a cap.
Posted by: Insomniac"
I had a piece of lead come back off the backstop at the range and land on my cheek. That left a nice little burn.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at January 21, 2018 06:35 PM (w+Jhj)
we lurve the Hi-Power here, must have 6 of them, at least...
she also has the Glock she bought as her first gun after we were an item.
it's the bedside gun so that, if it has to be used, the LAPD only gets a Glock to mistreat or lose, not a good gun. same reason i use an Auto Ordnance 1911 when circumstances indicate i should have a gub handy.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 06:36 PM (xsabZ)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at January 21, 2018 06:35 PM (w+Jhj)
Stings, don't it?
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 06:36 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: The Guy at January 21, 2018 06:36 PM (Kq/OY)
Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2018 06:37 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at January 21, 2018 06:37 PM (w+Jhj)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 06:38 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: ALH at January 21, 2018 06:38 PM (7DwnJ)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 06:38 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 21, 2018 06:39 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 06:39 PM (NWiLs)
One of the reasons I chose the striker-fired Kahr CW9 as my carry gun is that it has a really sweet DAO trigger. I didn't like the idea of the standard Glock-style thing of a single-action trigger with the safety built into the trigger pad. At least, not for a carry gun that I'll be carrying in an IWB holster.
The DAO trigger simply makes me feel more secure. And it's smooth enough that it's a joy to shoot.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 06:39 PM (eXA4G)
I was at the range with a fellow conservative woman, but much older than me, and my buddy, the Range Safety Officer. The woman liked to flirt, but was otherwise a good person.
My buddy was a great guy with a sterling character. As the woman was firing she had a shell go into her shirt, evidently next to her bra. She asked the RSO for help getting it out. Ever-accomidated he started to say yes, then remembered he was soundly married.
"Uh, you can get it out; we will look the other way." She teased both of us for the rest of the shoot.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2018 06:40 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at January 21, 2018 06:41 PM (w+Jhj)
Posted by: pontiacdoug at January 21, 2018 06:41 PM (otbbm)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 06:38 PM (2DOZq)
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I never liked the way Glocks fit in my hand. I found Springfields and never looked back.
Posted by: Speed Racer at January 21, 2018 06:41 PM (j/7lG)
Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2018 06:41 PM (nKPgU)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 06:41 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Speed Racer at January
well, so long as your gun is reliable enough the fit is what is most important.
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 21, 2018 06:42 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 21, 2018 06:39 PM (6FqZa)
Mrs Lindsey should go hold McShit's hands as he passes to the other side. What a scrunt
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2018 06:42 PM (SjImc)
Metric system?
re 9mm pistols: It's pricey, but I love my Sig 229. Reliable. Fits my hand extremely well. I have Hogue rubber grips on it and love them. I also have a Sig 226 but I don't like it as much - does not feel as good in my hand, even though I have large hands.
Posted by: Gref at January 21, 2018 06:42 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 06:38 PM (2DOZq)
Nothing wrong with Glock. Not a "fanboi" either but I don't understand the hate from some segments of the gun-owning community.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 06:42 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: lin-duh at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (kufk0)
You don't.
De-cockers are on hammer fired pistols (there may be some exceptions, but I am unaware of any).
Striker fired usually means the stricker is about 80% cocked by the slide. The rest of the striker spring compression is by trigger pull. So, it's like a lightweight double action.
Some striker fired pistols have a thumb safety in addition to a trigger safety (e.g. Ruger SR, S&W M&P). Others (Glock, XD) have just the trigger safety.
You can't de-cock a striker action, because the striker will be all the way forward and be in contact with the primer if it were de-cocked.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (di1hb)
Not cravat-gay safe, but buttoned shirt and high collar safe.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: colfax mingo at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (C8LGv)
Trigger said to be even smoother and reminiscent of the Walther PPQ
To boot, it fits all Glock 19 holsters.
Posted by: Oedipus at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (CXLVd)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 06:44 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 06:44 PM (wYseH)
this is no shit: we were at Camp Roberts (Club Bob) for the state GPMG matches, and were down in the pits doing our turn at scoring.
for the match at the time, you would hoist 3 6x5 targets, leave an empty firing point, than 3 more, etc...
traditionally, with rifles, people would sit right under their targets, but i decided that discretion was the better part of valor, and suggested we sit under the space.
i've never been in combat, but sitting a few hundred meters down range from several machine guns all firing at once is a tad disconcerting, even if you are under cover.
but not as disconcerting as the one round that hit the berm, deflected down, then passed through the metal shield and struck the vertical support for one of our targets, penetrating all the way through it.
we ran a line of pasters between the two holes, and it would have hit whomever might have been unlucky enough to have been sitting there.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 06:45 PM (xsabZ)
striker will be all the way forward and be in contact with the primer if
it were de-cocked.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (di1hb)
So there is no spring tension on the firing pin, and the only force exerted is from the trigger pull?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 06:46 PM (wYseH)
CBD wears a shooting bra?
Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2018 06:37 PM (Sfs6o)
B cup.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 06:44 PM (wYseH)
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Well we won't judge at WeaselRange!
Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2018 06:46 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (di1hb)
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is that a bad thing?
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 06:46 PM (xsabZ)
Yes, I have experienced the hot brass between the inside of my glasses and my face, and down my shirt. Didn't have a bench in front of me, but, mindful of the armed ROs behind me, I kept the pistol pointed downrange while extricating the offending brass. Took way too long. If I was a lady I would definitely choose my shooting clothes to avoid that, boy howdy . . .
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at January 21, 2018 06:48 PM (4IjGx)
Keep in mind the 22 LR is a rimmed cartridge. Those don't feed well from a staggered box mag. Needs to be single stack. Typical pistol grip length gets you 10 rds or so
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:48 PM (di1hb)
What's with the comment boxes looking different?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 21, 2018 06:48 PM (0zeTt)
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Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 06:49 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 21, 2018 06:49 PM (nJ+XP)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 06:49 PM (eMKNe)
Massacre at Tiffany's
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 06:49 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 21, 2018 06:48 PM (0zeTt)
Why did you take the brown acid?
We told you not to take the brown acid!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 06:50 PM (wYseH)
40 cal? Pfft.
Try 50 cal or 20mm sometime. Your shit gets cooked!
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:50 PM (di1hb)
I no longer have that pistol. I didn't like the weight of it anyway. Replaced it with a Ruger 1911 that I love.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at January 21, 2018 06:50 PM (/o9Qk)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 06:50 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2018 06:50 PM (nKPgU)
Posted by: colfax mingo at January 21, 2018 06:50 PM (C8LGv)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 21, 2018 06:51 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 21, 2018 06:51 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:48 PM (di1hb)
Yeah, but I figured somebody would design a serpentine magazine or something to add a few more.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 06:51 PM (wYseH)
Loading gate FTW!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2018 06:53 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: lin-duh at January 21, 2018 06:53 PM (kufk0)
Posted by: ALH at January 21, 2018 06:38 PM (7DwnJ)
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turn to the left and ye shall receive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptc5EcJdb9w
Posted by: zombie David Bowie at January 21, 2018 06:53 PM (xsabZ)
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:48 PM (di1hb)
Yeah, but I figured somebody would design a serpentine magazine or something to add a few more.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 06:51 PM (wYseH)
There are extended magazines for .22 rifles but I don't think I've seen one for pistol that I can recall.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 06:53 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
The price of the ammo is ridiculous.
Posted by: Guzalot at January 21, 2018 06:54 PM (schB/)
Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2018 06:54 PM (Sfs6o)
Anyone ever get a hot cartridge down their shirt or lodged between their shooting glasses and their nose or temple or brow?
Shooting in boat shoes one day ( I know, dumb). Brass managed to wedge itself between the tongue and my foot. Left a nice .22 sized blister. That stung a bit.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 21, 2018 06:54 PM (agg2m)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 21, 2018 06:39 PM (6FqZa)
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translated: "they won't fall for all the tricks we've used in the past!"
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 06:55 PM (xsabZ)
This America! Some redneck has probably taped two 10 round mags together with duct tape and made it work somehow.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 06:55 PM (2DOZq)
I won't wear that again.
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 06:55 PM (w7KSn)
Holly Drawlightly was the character, IIRC.
And that movie is not to be confused with Massacre at Miss Tiffany's: Ladyboys' Revenge.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 21, 2018 06:55 PM (8O3HH)
http://bit.ly/2n0X2NZ
A longer Forgotten Weapons take
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I want.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 06:56 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 06:57 PM (eMKNe)
Just guessing here.
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 06:57 PM (V+03K)
OH I know what happened!
I must have inadvertently embiggened the page (ctrl +) one click.
It thickened the borders.
Try it.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 21, 2018 06:57 PM (0zeTt)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 21, 2018 06:48 PM (0zeTt)
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yer s*ber?
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 06:58 PM (xsabZ)
he was soundly married.
- soundly beaten.
- soundly thrashed.
- soundly defeated
- soundly married.
Posted by: mag exchange at January 21, 2018 06:58 PM (/CGzl)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 06:58 PM (eMKNe)
The timing of that war could not have been any worse in regard to tactics and new technology. Holy crap what a recipe for a massacre.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 06:59 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:00 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at January 21, 2018 07:00 PM (/CGzl)
Posted by: Megyn at January 21, 2018 07:01 PM (DMUuz)
++++
Are you a lefty shooting a righty pistol? Get a left-handed gun that ejects cartridges to the left and away from you. Since most guns are built for us righties, finding a left-handed one can be a challenge, but it's not my fault you are an evil lefty.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 21, 2018 07:01 PM (pvjTE)
Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2018 07:01 PM (nKPgU)
Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2018 06:50 PM (nKPgU)
Yes, there was a great gunfight between Audrey and Walter Matthau at the end. Brian Dennehy was brilliant (as usual) as Paris
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 21, 2018 07:01 PM (SiINZ)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:02 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: WNinMN at January 21, 2018 07:02 PM (pV4s0)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2018 07:02 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:02 PM (eMKNe)
Should you go this route, I think you'll be pleased.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:02 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2018 07:03 PM (nKPgU)
Striker fired pistols are always 'cocked' but have other safety mechanisms. Think of them as revolvers, only with a better trigger pulls, ergonomics, capacity...
The Glock Family, the Springfield XD family are the most reliable for me. The PPQ has the best trigger this side of a 2k 1911 but it's....a little finicky with ammo. I have a related story, coming shortly. But now....to read the comments.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:03 PM (xJa6I)
The problem is that asking this question of the Horde will give me scores of differing answers.
And yet I hit post. (Lord help me)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:03 PM (bNbo2)
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:05 PM (UThOJ)
Concealed carry gun huh? Have you thought about the .50 Desert Eagle?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 07:05 PM (2DOZq)
There were 13,716 homicides in the United States in 2013,
Yeah, we need more gun control
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Help! The Deranged Beavers Are Trying To Kill Me! at January 21, 2018 07:05 PM (+y/Ru)
Hey! I was watching the half season finale of The Walking Dead.
Who here thinks Ca-a-a-a-a-a-arrrrrrrrl was bitten by a zombie?
I don't.
I think he had the Middle Eastern descent guy bite his belly so he could bring him into camp under "emergency conditions"
thus getting around Rick's objection to that idea.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2018 07:06 PM (9q7Dl)
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:07 PM (UThOJ)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 21, 2018 07:08 PM (SFHlC)
Yep. One.
Once got a spent casing lodged between my safety glasses and my temple somehow. Also ow.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:08 PM (xJa6I)
Phew! That was close.
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 07:08 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2018 07:08 PM (0tfLf)
Clearly, television, which I have not watched for years, has changed significantly.
Posted by: mag exchange at January 21, 2018 07:09 PM (BLjCA)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 07:09 PM (2DOZq)
https://tinyurl.com/y7nzdy8y
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2018 07:02 PM (IqV8l)
I'm a good shot, I am
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 21, 2018 07:10 PM (SiINZ)
And yet I hit post. (Lord help me)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:03 PM (bNbo2)
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find the local ranges that rent handguns, then go try all the different flavors you can find. that might help you winnow the field down some.
asking here, or anywhere, gets you suggestions based on what w*rks for other people, not you. that can be useful, after a fashion, but nothing beats personal experience.
if you have friends with items you're considering, but that the ranges don't have, ask to meet them at the range, and tell them you'll bring the ammo.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:10 PM (xsabZ)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:03 PM (bNbo2)
Sorry to hear Pug, I love my little FireStar.
Accurate and reliable. I think it won handgun of the year back in 1991.
But I like most all of the old Spanish pistols like Star and Astra.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2018 07:10 PM (EoRCO)
Guardian angel was watching out for me that day.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:10 PM (UThOJ)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 07:05 PM (2DOZq)
I ain't got a calf-length duster to wear around.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:12 PM (bNbo2)
Posted by: ALH at January 21, 2018 07:12 PM (7DwnJ)
Well, as the old saying sorta goes, I don't think I'd want to be the survivability test subject from a well-place round from a 9mm.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:12 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 21, 2018 07:12 PM (0zeTt)
Posted by: Usntakim at January 21, 2018 07:12 PM (0OmEj)
I don't know who I blame the most for the world's problems. France or Germany?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol
Someone (Margaret Thatcher?) said most of the world's problems are created by Europeans and solved by the British and Americans.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 21, 2018 07:13 PM (SFHlC)
Clearly, television, which I have not watched for years, has changed significantly.
Posted by: mag exchange at January 21, 2018 07:09 PM (BLjCA)
Not really. TWD is a lot like "Father Knows Best"
only with zombies.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2018 07:13 PM (9q7Dl)
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 06:45 PM (xsabZ)
Pit story time.
Back in the mid-80s I was on my battalion rifle team and we were practicing at the known distance range along with the guys from the M60 teams. Several weeks of practice. We'd switch off in the pits half-day shooting, half-day pulling targets for the pig gunners. Which always sucked because they'd walk the rounds up, kicking stones and dirt into the pits.
After a couple of weeks of that, us rifle guys got froggy and one day we did our last course of fire ALL into the berm. To give them a taste of their own medicine. The thing is, we were shooting in the MORNING. When we traded places, we were giggling like schoolgirls. The pig gunners had evil Jack Nicholson grins on their faces.
First course of fire, they put about 100 rounds per gun into the berm, and we had a frickin' tsunami of dirt and rocks slamming down on us.
No one ever said infantry soldiers were smart.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (eXA4G)
Well, as the old saying sorta goes, I don't think I'd want to be the
survivability test subject from a well-place round from a 9mm.
Or to put it another way: "Please point to an acceptable location on your body for a 9mm hole."
Posted by: mag exchange at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (BLjCA)
Audrey Hepburn was (IMO, of course) the greatest female star. I don't mean the greatest actress, or the best this or that, I mean the whole package, the Hollywood leading lady glitz and glam package.
On the men's side it's a tie between Cary Grant and Bogart.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (8O3HH)
Posted by: Hoot at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (SkuXa)
CZ can be pretty sweet after they break in.
I've heard good things about the SW MP 2.0, as well.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (DMUuz)
Accurate and reliable. I think it won handgun of the year back in 1991.
But I like most all of the old Spanish pistols like Star and Astra.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2018 07:10 PM (EoRCO)
Could it be that I just need to get new magazines? It really seems that this is the problem, nothing to do with the gun itself.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (bNbo2)
The timing of that war could not have been any worse in regard to tactics and new technology. Holy crap what a recipe for a massacre.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 06:59 PM (2DOZq) >>>
Everyone had good clues as to what could happen, from the US Civil War and the Russo-Japanese War. However, every army except the British were committed to an attack doctrine at the start, so defensive doctrine was not well developed, and they did not realize the defensive power of entrenched troops with many machine guns and on-call artillery via field phone communication. And the Franco-Prussian War gave the Germans and French a belief that (mostly) mobile warfare could and would happen.
Posted by: Gref at January 21, 2018 07:15 PM (AMIL/)
The problem is that asking this question of the Horde will give me scores of differing answers.
And yet I hit post. (Lord help me)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:03 PM (bNbo2)
Single stack 9mm, Pug? Or are you open to double stacks?
Single stack drop-dead reliable pistols:
Combloc-
Makarov
Tokarev
45 ACP-
Glock 36
Springfield XDS
9mm-
Glock 43
Kahr K9 or P9
Walther PPS or Creed
Taurus 709 (Yes. Terrible trigger but will go bang every time)
380-
Ruger LCP 2
Kel-Tec P-3AT (yes, seriously)
Walther PP
Glock 42
If you can go up to a double stack, try a Glock 19. Hard to beat for size/weight/capacity. Similar guns are the above mentioned CZ p-10c, the Smith and Wesson M&P Compact version 2
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:15 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at January 21, 2018 07:15 PM (4IjGx)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:16 PM (xJa6I)
Text Messages Reveal Peter Strzok and Mistress Lisa Page Knew Charges WOULD NOT BE FILED Against Hillary -- BEFORE She Was Interviewed
Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 21, 2018 07:16 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Holly Drawlightly at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (8O3HH)
Definitely worth a try. When a handgun's feeding starts going south that's the first thing I consider.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (Tyii7)
https://tinyurl.com/yb923zza
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: .41 Magnum, THE revolver round at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (DMUuz)
With 25,339 murders in 2017, Mexico suffers record homicide tally...
There were 13,716 homicides in the United States in 2013,
Yeah, we need more gun control
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Help! The Deranged Beavers Are Trying To Kill Me!
Clearly Texas' fault as Indiana is responsible for Chicago's problem.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (IqV8l)
I only have to hit once with the .357. You 9 MM guys have to empty the fucking magazine.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:07 PM (UThOJ)
Bullet holes are like real estate. The three most important things are location, location and location.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (eXA4G)
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:07 PM (UTh
Horse hocky.
Posted by: Traveling Man at January 21, 2018 07:18 PM (R5lpX)
Heh. But of course I would recommend the Glock 19. It can take a licking and keep on ticking, the mags are reliable as anything out there, the take down was designed so that a 2 year old could do it and it can be easily souped up by any gunsmith. It just depends how it fits your hand.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 21, 2018 07:19 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (bNbo2)
Could be....I have a few B's and Super B's which came with magazines from wherever and some just flat out did not feed properly.
Also, have a gunsmith check it out, give it a pro cleaning and then try a new magazine or two and see if that works for you. Clean the mags as best you can too as some don't come apart so be aware. Check the feed lips, spring tension, etc.
Half the fun of old rifles and pistols is getting them in fighting trim.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2018 07:20 PM (EoRCO)
I only have to hit once with the .357. You 9 MM guys have to empty the fucking magazine.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:07 PM (UThOJ)
Bullet holes are like real estate. The three most important things are location, location and location.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (eXA4G)
This.
a .32 can be lethal as hell if you get it in the right locations.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:20 PM (xJa6I)
I'll likely keep the Star, just because it was my first handgun. But I need to just stop fretting about it and move forward. Scheel's just opened a store in my region, and I just need to go look around.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wild Turkey Enthusiast at January 21, 2018 07:20 PM (bNbo2)
https://tinyurl.com/yb923zza
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (eMKNe)
What's the recoil on that like ?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:20 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (eXA4G)
This.
a .32 can be lethal as hell if you get it in the right locations.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:20 PM (xJa6I)
Well, yeeeeah, but at some point a rock will do the job too.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:21 PM (UThOJ)
As far as hot brass coming back at you, that is one thing I check for in a CC gun. The last thing I want if I have to draw is that kind of distraction.
For plinking and target shooting that is another of the many, many, many reasons I'm a revolver guy. No hot brass, no policing the cases ejected all over hell's creation, and wide open power levels without having to worry about failures to work the slide.
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 07:21 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:22 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:22 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:23 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:17 PM (eXA4G)
This.
a .32 can be lethal as hell if you get it in the right locations.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:20 PM (xJa6I)
Well, yeeeeah, but at some point a rock will do the job too.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:21 PM (UThOJ)
If a rock's all you have...
The .357 is a sweet round but its pretty well married to a revolver system...and a beefy revolver too, if you want to shoot it more than once a year.
A 9mm with modern hollow point loads will wreck someone's day.
That said, I'm starting to lean towards 10mm or 45 acp for my carry guns. I just need to de-train a flinch I've picked up.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
Can I get in on this? If it doesn't start with a 4, it's too small.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 07:24 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Nate at January 21, 2018 07:24 PM (qbrVp)
what am I missing? I KNOW something is missing.
Posted by: Dan Patterson at January 21, 2018 07:24 PM (AsjQP)
Posted by: George LeS at January 21, 2018 07:24 PM (+TcCF)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:22 PM (eMKNe)
LOL
Good luck with it, then!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:25 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 07:25 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: mag exchange at January 21, 2018 07:27 PM (BLjCA)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:28 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:07 PM (UTh
Horse hocky.
Posted by: Traveling Man at January 21, 2018 07:18 PM (R5lpX)
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My daily carry is a Springfield XDS 9. I can not think of a single place on my body that being shot with it with HP SD ammo, would not ruin my week/month.
Posted by: Speed Racer at January 21, 2018 07:28 PM (j/7lG)
we got ours into #Failifornia at the last moment of the loop hole.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:30 PM (xsabZ)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:20 PM (xJa6I)
^^^This
If you think about it, more people have been killed, homicide, with the .22 Cal than probably any other round. And I believe that caliber was favored by assassin's and hit men.
Posted by: Traveling Man at January 21, 2018 07:30 PM (R5lpX)
Went to the range with my PPQ M2 yesterday. Because when I do my part, I can shoot eyes out with it. But...when I rush my Mozambique drills...yeah. Train at stuff you suck at, right?
The problem is, I had TWO failures to feed out of 150 rounds. With ball ammo. That is not acceptable to me. I MAY have been riding the slide with my thumbs stacked. I was firing quick when I had the failures, trying to simulate a draw/fire-three-rounds drill.
But that goes back to the main problem with the pistol. At the range, slow fire....the PPQ is flat out my favorite gun to shoot. Of any gun, ever. Even over my CZ 75. And, rapid fire with the PPQ is likewise amazing.
But it simply won't get to 100% reliablity that I get with the XD and the Glocks.
So...going to try a G19 for carry this week, breaking in a new Don Hume slide holster. Will try same drill next weekend, see what we get.
Still flinching, but I've ID'd the problem, now just need to train it out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:30 PM (xJa6I)
striker will be all the way forward and be in contact with the primer if
it were de-cocked.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 06:43 PM (di1hb)
So there is no spring tension on the firing pin, and the only force exerted is from the trigger pull?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 06:46 PM (wYseH)
With a striker, there is always spring force pushing the striker forward, even when it is in the "fired" position.
When the slide cycles back, the striker is held by the sear and the striker spring is 80% compressed.
When you pull the trigger, the striker is pushed back further, which compresses the spring further, until the sear releases it.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 07:30 PM (di1hb)
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 07:31 PM (V+03K)
A +P 9mm HP is probably close in lethality to a .357HP.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 07:31 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (eXA4G)
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hey now! i had a GT score of 132 when i enlisted 11H...
ummm, you may have a point.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:31 PM (xsabZ)
I put it in the small of my back under my shirt. Sure - it prints. People know if they know where to look.
My Grand-Dad once said, in a game of Rook when he caught my Dad peeking ... "The more you see 'em, the worse you dread 'em".
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 21, 2018 07:31 PM (fiGNd)
we got ours into #Failifornia at the last moment of the loop hole.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:30 PM (xsabZ)
I'm on the list for a Coonan. Trading my Python for it. I do want a .357 in inventory but I just prefer automatics to revolvers.
Hope to get mine next month.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:31 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Traveling Man at January 21, 2018 07:30 PM (R5lpX)
Yup....the singer Del Shannon blew his brains out with a .22LR.
Always liked the guy.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2018 07:33 PM (EoRCO)
The 22lr is particularly suited because it will go through one side of the skull but not the other. It just rattles around in the brain case.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (WbIyz)
My reasoning is that .45 ACP has a higher chance of making the bad guy slow down. Shot placement is great and key to success. However, on a very short distance two way range you aren't going to have much time to sit there and aim, especially if you just went from zero to OH SH*T in two point five seconds.
YMMV
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (l7Kbv)
round go off in the tube of my M203. Fortunately it was a training round
and all it did was cover me in orange powder.
Guardian angel was watching out for me that day.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 07:10 PM (UThOJ)
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LOL... when was that?
the day in March 83 that we qualed with the 203, we had the same thing happen...
one guy had 3 of them go off, one right after another, before the Drills RSOs decided to just give everyone those targets as a gimme...
since they were the ones everyone missed, just about everyone qualed Expert that day.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (xsabZ)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (WbIyz)
That's the advantage, a revolver, if your talking about home defense or a nightstand gun.
Just load and know it'll shoot every time the trigger's pulled.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (9q7Dl)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (Jj43a)
Posted by: CN at January 21, 2018 07:36 PM (5gaNQ)
I know a few us the Horde enjoy using traditional black powder guns.
Traditional black powder gun:
https://youtu.be/_wT1xkRpCKk
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2018 07:36 PM (IqV8l)
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HERESY! Pythons only go up in value... don't get rid of it.
or, if you insist, sell it to me.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:36 PM (xsabZ)
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HERESY! Pythons only go up in value... don't get rid of it.
or, if you insist, sell it to me.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:36 PM (xsabZ)
If you're near WA state, I'm willing.
I know the 'smart' thing to do is to hang onto it. But the pistol is just sitting there, not getting shot. It might as well go to someone who will love it's 4" nickel goodness.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:37 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (eXA4G)
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hey now! i had a GT score of 132 when i enlisted 11H...
ummm, you may have a point.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:31 PM (xsabZ)
143 GT 11B here. First job was M203 gunner and plt demo demolitions guy (well, one of two guys).
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 07:38 PM (di1hb)
Posted by: Guzalot"
And a super PITA to reload as well.
But it's a hell of a nice round, and you have 21 rounds in the magazine.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at January 21, 2018 07:38 PM (w+Jhj)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:39 PM (Tyii7)
Also picked up the full size frame and slider in .45 for $300.
I'm great with the full size. Suck with the compact. Need more range time.
Posted by: Defenestratus at January 21, 2018 07:40 PM (a9n6M)
That's the advantage, a revolver, if your talking about home defense or a nightstand gun.
Just load and know it'll shoot every time the trigger's pulled.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (9q7Dl)
If you like revolvers...go with God. Totally fine.
For me, it just doesn't work. The advantages of a semi-auto, magazine-fed pistol just seem greater.
I'm not agile enough to reload revolvers quickly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:41 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 07:41 PM (di1hb)
Always liked the guy.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2018 07:33 PM (EoRCO)
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what's even sadder than his suicide, which IIRC, was over the collapse of his career is that the Traveling Wilbury's were about to ask him to join to take the place of Roy Orbison...
which would have meant MOAR albums from them
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:42 PM (xsabZ)
My reasoning is that .45 ACP has a higher chance of making the bad guy slow down. Shot placement is great and key to success. However, on a very short distance two way range you aren't going to have much time to sit there and aim, especially if you just went from zero to OH SH*T in two point five seconds.
YMMV
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (l7Kbv)
Very nice pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:44 PM (xJa6I)
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SoCal here, so likely not happening. not even sure i could bring it into the state through an FFL transfer. what are you asking for it?
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:44 PM (xsabZ)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 21, 2018 07:45 PM (J1qXC)
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 07:45 PM (V+03K)
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SoCal here, so likely not happening. not even sure i could bring it into the state through an FFL transfer. what are you asking for it?
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:44 PM (xsabZ)
I'd LIKE 2k but I'm willing to just do a swap for the Coonan. I think I'm close to doing that with my hometown gun shot. Should be a straight swap or for a small amount of cash.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:46 PM (xJa6I)
For me, it just doesn't work. The advantages of a semi-auto, magazine-fed pistol just seem greater.
I'm not agile enough to reload revolvers quickly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:41 PM (xJa6I)
My Old Man hates 'em. Me ? Love 'em.
It's a preference thing, for sure. You gotta' carry what you trust.
For me? A revolver. Go figure.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 21, 2018 07:46 PM (fiGNd)
of his career is that the Traveling Wilbury's were about to ask him to
join to take the place of Roy Orbison...
Bummer that Petty Od'd. The one I read said he had a bad hip and wouldn't quit touring. Opioids again.
Posted by: dartist at January 21, 2018 07:47 PM (nisXv)
Well made. has a decocker. has a trigger safety. easy to take apart. Large magazine cap (16+) Can use +ammo. (not recommended for practice)
Light and comes with two grip shapers, a plastic locking holster and a paddle and a belt attachment in a case with a loader and cleaning brush. All for under $400.
Drawbacks; recently there were claims that a dropped pistol could fire if it was a striker design with the wrong springage.
Canik has a new model that has fixed that and a replacement program for those who already own one with the old spring. They pay for freight. The chances of this happening are low but with firearms it only takes once for someone to get hurt.
I haven't had a problem with mine. So haven't taken advantage of the fix. YMMV
Nice firearm for a decent price. Put a few hundred down the pipe with NO misfires, 1 stovepipe because of my grip in the beginning. Easy to clean. take apart without tools.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2018 07:48 PM (RwBDG)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:49 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 21, 2018 07:49 PM (nJ+XP)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 21, 2018 07:49 PM (nJ+XP)
Jeez!
Glad you're ok.
I went through a tornado in '79. Don't want to do that ever again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:50 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2018 07:51 PM (RwBDG)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 21, 2018 07:52 PM (mc8++)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at January 21, 2018 07:52 PM (56LWv)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:52 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 07:52 PM (V+03K)
I missed the food thread because Life.
Anyway, D'oh Boy's birfday is this week and we're throwing our annual oyster roast, which started out as his birfday celebration. Now it's an excuse.
We'll be hosting 80+ people and roasting our oysters over a WOOD FIRE, which is the only way civilized people in the Low Country roast oysters.
Hot fire, large piece of metal on top, get it screaming hot, and throw bushels on oysters on, covered in wet burlap.
There will be alcohol involved, and a lovely, cold view of the river.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2018 07:53 PM (ptqGC)
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go for it... at least you're not trading it in for a $100 gift card.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:53 PM (xsabZ)
I guess a new Wilburys would have to be a country music version. But who would be good enough for that? Toby Keith? Blake Shelton? Dwight Yoakam? Lyle Lovett?
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:53 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2018 07:54 PM (ptqGC)
married to a revolver system...and a beefy revolver too, if you want to
shoot it more than once a year.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
I shoot .38 Special out of my GP100 4" and it's about the same felt recoil as my .22.
.357 Magnum is more substantial, but it's not .460 Weatherby Magnum territory.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 07:54 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 21, 2018 07:54 PM (nJ+XP)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at January 21, 2018 07:54 PM (TKmA0)
Got the bride a 686 Deluxe TALOS edition a few years back. She loves it, and is extremely comfortable and accurate with it. Thats her CCW go-to.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at January 21, 2018 07:55 PM (l7Kbv)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2018 07:55 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 21, 2018 07:56 PM (MTjB1)
Opioids again.
Posted by: dartist at January 21, 2018 07:47 PM (nisXv)
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my pharmacist and i were discussing that when the news came out. W/O seeing the lab numbers, we think that all the 'lams in his system did him in...
they have varying clearance rates, and it's easy to get far enough in that a dose of anything else takes you over limit w/o warning, even if you're a regular user.
Posted by: redc1c4, the ONT Rx Tech at January 21, 2018 07:56 PM (xsabZ)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 07:54 PM (wYseH)
A fine revolver ... too bad no other Morons post about it
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 21, 2018 07:57 PM (fiGNd)
I guess a new Wilburys would have to be a country music version. But who would be good enough for that? Toby Keith? Blake Shelton? Dwight Yoakam? Lyle Lovett?
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:53 PM (eMKNe)
Great idea! I always liked Toby Keith and Dwight. Lyle is a little weird but a great talent.
They could call themselves the Country Wilburys....throw Bobby Bare in there too. He is still alive.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2018 07:57 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 07:57 PM (V+03K)
That sounds like a whole lot of fun. Are 81 guests too many?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 07:57 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:58 PM (eMKNe)
Have a very serious look at the FN 509 for $549 at BudsGunShop.com It shoots a bit better than a Glock 19, has a higher capacity, and feels much much better in the hand. It also looks quite cool.
If you want something quite nice for a very good price, look at the Ruger Security-9 for $307
Posted by: Spad-XIII at January 21, 2018 07:58 PM (Jvyos)
married to a revolver system...and a beefy revolver too, if you want to
shoot it more than once a year.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:24 PM (xJa6I)
I shoot .38 Special out of my GP100 4" and it's about the same felt recoil as my .22.
.357 Magnum is more substantial, but it's not .460 Weatherby Magnum territory.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2018 07:54 PM (wYseH)
I carried a Ruger SP 101, and 357 out of that was painful. My wife fired it once and never wanted to even see it ever again.
The GP 100 is beefier, so easier to handle. I'm glad yours shoots so well for ya with .38's.
I find polymer pistols easier to shoot and carry. The Glock 21 in 45 is surprisingly light and comfortable in my Galco belt holster.
I did (briefly ) try carrying a S&W 28 in a shoulder rig. (I'm not small and used to wear a trench coat just about everywhere. But.....that's a lot of metal. Lot of hassle. Switched back to Beretta 92.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 07:58 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:59 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 21, 2018 07:59 PM (MTjB1)
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 07:52 PM (V+03K)
Oh, I will, I will. I've shot a goodly bit of in-line sabot shooting. Just want it to warm up a trifle.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 21, 2018 07:59 PM (di1hb)
The saddest thing about Traveling Wilburys is that there is NOBODY who can touch the talent of those original artists.
I don't know, there are still a bunch of old-timers left. The Belfast Cowboy, Dylan and who else?
Posted by: dartist at January 21, 2018 07:59 PM (nisXv)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 07:53 PM (eMKNe)
I believe Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, and Chris Christopherson took a crack at the concept ... before the Wilburys.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 21, 2018 07:59 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 21, 2018 07:52 PM (mc8++) >>>
Nunes and Grassley need to demand a report from the FBI, due yesterday, on FBI IT's history of "failed to store text messages" instances in the past 5 years. Proves nothing, but they should ask.
Oh hell, never mind. I was thinking the FBI will have those statistics. The FBI will probably say, gee, no one told us we have to keep records on that!
Posted by: Gref at January 21, 2018 08:00 PM (AMIL/)
The annual oyster roast now uses his birfday as an excuse. Hoping the lovely weather we're having right now holds out and no rain.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2018 08:00 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 08:00 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2018 08:00 PM (ptqGC)
Have a very serious look at the FN 509 for $549 at BudsGunShop.com It shoots a bit better than a Glock 19, has a higher capacity, and feels much much better in the hand. It also looks quite cool.
If you want something quite nice for a very good price, look at the Ruger Security-9 for $307
Posted by: Spad-XIII at January 21, 2018 07:58 PM (Jvyos)
All good choices, I hear. Though I have not fired the new Ruger Security 9
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 08:01 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2018 08:01 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 08:01 PM (xJa6I)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_P9
Posted by: Sixgunsam at January 21, 2018 08:01 PM (W+16X)
Have a good one.
Thanks for the gun thread, hope those asking advice got something useful out of it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 21, 2018 08:02 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 21, 2018 08:02 PM (eMKNe)
Yeah ... and Highwayman. Love that song.
The Wilburys came out my Senior Year in High School. I put down the Guns and Roses long enough to learn End of the Line.
Great groups. Both of them.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 21, 2018 08:03 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Gref at January 21, 2018 08:04 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Waste93 at January 21, 2018 08:04 PM (XbcsC)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 21, 2018 07:52 PM (mc8++)
Why it's like the whole fraking thing is rigged and the FBI is nothing but a tool of the DNC. I can't wait for Jimmy Drama's latest tweet
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 21, 2018 08:04 PM (SiINZ)
the day in March 83 that we qualed with the 203, we had the same thing happen...
one
guy had 3 of them go off, one right after another, before the Drills
RSOs decided to just give everyone those targets as a gimme...
since they were the ones everyone missed, just about everyone qualed Expert that day.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2018 07:35 PM (xsabZ)
Spring of '81. Rattled me a bit.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 08:05 PM (UThOJ)
Posted by: Willie Jeff Clinton at January 21, 2018 08:05 PM (SPbaU)
IMG, Boy do I agree. Despite my impatience, I really prefer milder weather for BP sessions. Trying to load cap and ball revolvers with frozen fingers is not fun. Same with using a metal range rod for the rifles.
Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2018 08:05 PM (V+03K)
dartist, forgot about Van Morrison. Although I don't know if he would
work well with Dylan or other artists. I've read he can be quite
taciturn and temperamental.
lol, that's been my guess too, but sometimes a band needs a jagoff that can play a little alto sax.
Posted by: dartist at January 21, 2018 08:05 PM (nisXv)
McFadden Machine Shop and their unfortunately-named, but highly effective, Ultimate Clip Loader, for the Ruger Mk II ampersand III and 22/45. I dunno if it works on the Mk IV. Works great, makes shooting a lot of .22 mucho funno. Amazon link: https://tinyurl.com/yak7xs24
Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at January 21, 2018 08:06 PM (C1NyB)
Posted by: Gref at January 21, 2018 08:07 PM (AMIL/)
It just occurred to me we're coming up on the 400th anniversary of when the Pharisees crashed into the Plymouth Rock.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 21, 2018 08:07 PM (0zeTt)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 21, 2018 08:07 PM (0zeTt)
Grace Kelly in Rear Window
Kim Novak in Picknic
And Hadrian the Seventh at January 21, 2018 07:08 PM (SFHlC) that is one whatchacallit, you have.
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2018 07:14 PM (eXA4G)
Hey!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYabrQrXt4A
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 08:09 PM (UThOJ)
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Ya mean, like copy the Highwaymen?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2018 08:09 PM (z79tQ)
Never knew Audrey Hepburn grew up in war-time Holland, practically starved along with millions of others in 1944/45.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 21, 2018 08:09 PM (QDnY+)
Hadrian VII
Why do you think I'm here, not in front of the tube?
Posted by: dad29 at January 21, 2018 08:11 PM (7Kti7)
Ya mean, like copy the Highwaymen?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2018 08:09 PM (z79tQ)
I believe Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, and Chris Christopherson took a crack at the concept ... before the Wilburys.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 21, 2018 07:59 PM (fiGNd)
f'it, too late and willowed. If only i'd learn to read without running my fingers under the words and sounding them out.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2018 08:13 PM (z79tQ)
CZ75-SP01, G17, G43, G26, HK P30 SF, S n' W whatever, Sig P320F.
They are all good. Got a hankering for new G19X, though.
Get thee behind me, satan!
Posted by: Eromero at January 21, 2018 08:13 PM (zLDYs)
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Posted by: JR at January 21, 2018 08:27 PM (OkKDg)
Love my Ruger American in 9mm. Ergonomics and trigger were the nicest of the striker guns, YMMV. Price point was right, too. Also love my GP100 Match Champ, but .38 is about 40% more than 9, and thinking about shooting .357 makes me well up a little.
Posted by: Prisoner Of Cuomostan at January 21, 2018 08:27 PM (lOwsD)
I listen to the radio, 94WYSP with Merle and Mike
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:32 PM (aC6Sd)
Both are pretty much as simple as you can get, and they work.
My first true love is the Makarov, but I am odd that way.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 21, 2018 08:33 PM (2K6fY)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:33 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Terry at January 21, 2018 08:34 PM (Ywjgo)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:34 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2018 08:13 PM (z79tQ)
Hey Now ...
... Sound Out Twice, Speak Once.
We're all brothers to the One True Sound !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 21, 2018 08:34 PM (fiGNd)
That is the reason why it exists!
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 08:36 PM (w7KSn)
Anyway wrote this before, story goes guy knew lots of guys in prison shot by 9mm, no one by a 45
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:37 PM (aC6Sd)
Cz 75 pcr- compact
I've fired the smith & wess m&p 9 and like it if we're to get a polymer frame
My 2 cents
Posted by: Jbrowning at January 21, 2018 08:37 PM (lJks5)
Posted by: Muthaucker at January 21, 2018 08:38 PM (rx27F)
Posted by: rhomboid at January 21, 2018 08:41 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at January 21, 2018 08:41 PM (7oUUT)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:44 PM (aC6Sd)
plaxico burress might not have ever shot himself in his gammy and gone to jail....
Posted by: sound awake at January 21, 2018 08:46 PM (Khzxt)
Would be nice for some American states to join in the lawlessness with the racist authoritarians ones, with their "sanctuary" nonsense. Don't see why federal firearms laws deserve any respect, if everything else is on the table (and federal firearms laws, unlike immigration laws, are almost entirely useless and worthless anyway).
Posted by: rhomboid at January 21, 2018 08:51 PM (QDnY+)
Any object that can accidentally actuate the trigger, will almost always also depress that little trigger built into the trigger. John Moses Browning probably considered that design, just momentarily, and dismissed it as "retarded as hell."
Just because it's a long trigger pull, doesn't make me feel safe carrying such a weapon. It's not a terribly heavy trigger pull with these striker-fired pistols. I'd like to see some stats on frequency of the user shooting his niblets off with these plastic fantastics.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 08:52 PM (sgHEm)
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 08:53 PM (NWiLs)
The story goes an American officer emptied his .38 revolver into an attacker who was armed with a sword and the attacker (Pacific Islander of some sort, IIRC) still closed with the officer and beheaded him, before he, the attacker, succumbed to his wounds.
Saint Browning to the rescue.
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 08:53 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:53 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:56 PM (aC6Sd)
I have a couple of Glocks, but I never have one "in the tube", aka "Israeli carry".
It may slow me down a bit, but I won't shoot myself either.
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 08:56 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:57 PM (aC6Sd)
Excellent ergonomics.
Plenty of "down-range demotivation".
Single stack and a couple of spare mags should be good to go for basic "social work".Double-stack with low-profile grips (and spare mags), if you anticipate a 'target-rich' environment.
Posted by: Bruce at January 21, 2018 08:58 PM (7rlrd)
I have a couple of Glocks, but I never have one "in the tube", aka "Israeli carry".
It may slow me down a bit, but I won't shoot myself either.
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 08:56 PM (w7KSn)
Trigger discipline.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 21, 2018 08:59 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 08:33 PM (aC6Sd)
I was, but I'd figured to slink down to the basement.
Just like at home when the wimmens get to chattin.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2018 08:59 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: dartist at January 21, 2018 08:59 PM (nisXv)
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 09:00 PM (w7KSn)
If your chances of ever having to pull your pistol are one in 100,000 or so, like most of us, I don't see the big problem with having to pull back the slide. Costs you a second, but it also gives you an extra second to make sure you really have to shoot that guy. And makes your niblets absolutely safe from self-destruction.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:00 PM (sgHEm)
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:00 PM (sgHEm)
Why not cocked and locked? Or a revolver? Or a stout double-action trigger?
I'm of the opinion that you may not have two hands available when you need that gun the most.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2018 09:03 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:04 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:05 PM (aC6Sd)
Basically it's this: You shouldn't need a trigger, because your mind-brain is your safety, and you shouldn't ever make a mistake.
You shouldn't ever drop a tootsie roll or a crayon into your holster. You shouldn't ever handle your gun when it's cold and wet, I guess; and when your hands are cold and numb and you can't get a good grip on it, and you can't feel the trigger. You shouldn't allow your hands to tremble in a life-and-death situation.
But these things happen. People aren't perfect. That's why safeties exist, at all.
So why put a "safety" on the trigger itself, so that anything pulling the trigger, would also deactivate that safety?
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:06 PM (sgHEm)
This could be the worst advice I've ever read on this site.
If you have to draw, it's because you have to shoot. To take "a second" to rack the slide might cost you your life.
Your carry firearm should be ready instantly. You may not have a second, or a free hand, to chamber a round. Using your metric of odds, why carry at all?
Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at January 21, 2018 09:10 PM (C1NyB)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:11 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:12 PM (aC6Sd)
But don't worry. It only takes a second to rack the slide.
Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at January 21, 2018 09:12 PM (C1NyB)
Mainly because I really suck with a semi auto small enough for everyday carry. That takes some skill, to hit anything with those little pistols, and make them run consistently.
But if I did carry a semi auto, I'd probably carry it without one in the chamber. Unless I carried one like my Grand Power -- nice big external safety, locks everything down, can't move the trigger, hammer, or slide. Flips off with a natural movement of the thumb.
My GP is a little big to carry, though.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:13 PM (sgHEm)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:12 PM (aC6Sd)
FIFY
Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at January 21, 2018 09:14 PM (C1NyB)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:16 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:17 PM (aC6Sd)
Most shootings take place at arm's length. You might well be holding your assailant's knife hand with you other hand. I carry with one in the pipe, hammer down and safety on in DA (when I have a safety).
I noticed that the XD has a kind of hook on the rear sight for racking against your pants or fat roll or whatever you get to.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 09:19 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:20 PM (aC6Sd)
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Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 21, 2018 09:23 PM (y3aQB)
In that case, by your reasoning, I guess you should probably just forego the holster, and carry the weapon in your hand at all times. Drawing it will cost you precious tenths of a second, after all.
It's all a matter of odds, the way I see it: What are the odds, in each condition of the weapon, each way you carry it (pocket, inside the waistband, etc), and with each type of weapon you might have, that:
a) you'll shoot off your niblets
b) you'll get shot before you can get off a round
c) you'll run out of ammo before an opponent does
For me, in rural Ohio, the odds of actually engaging in a firefight are really pretty small. Why carry? Because it's non-zero. This isn't Gunsmoke, and I'm not Marshall Matt Dillon, so I don't think I'll have to quick-draw too often. And there are situations (where a concealed carrier comes upon a robbery as a third party, say), in which they have plenty of time to draw, and chamber a round.
But again: I carry a revolver. So for me this is an academic discussion.
I'd like to see the stats on accidental discharge self-injury, versus the number of guys that lose live-fire quickdraw competitions in modern-day America. i'd bet the first number is about 100 times the second. So I'd hedge more toward weapon safety, than quick-draw lightning speed.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:24 PM (sgHEm)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:25 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 09:26 PM (WbIyz)
attacker who was armed with a sword and the attacker (Pacific Islander
of some sort, IIRC) still closed with the officer and beheaded him,
before he, the attacker, succumbed to his wounds.
Philippine Moro if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 09:27 PM (UThOJ)
My point is that people aren't perfect, and so properly designed pistols should have a safety, and one that isn't automatically moved to fire by anything that would also depress the trigger.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:28 PM (sgHEm)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:28 PM (aC6Sd)
Nevertheless when the children were little and used me as a jungle gym, I replaced the ambi thumb safety with a left-side only safety.
Everybody makes the occasional mistake, but good habits creat layers of "safety redundancy" (to coin a phrase). So that it takes several mistakes to create an unsafe situation, and one hopes that your good habits won't let you make several mistakes, but only the occasional one.
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at January 21, 2018 09:29 PM (4IjGx)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:29 PM (aC6Sd)
My GP is a little big to carry, though.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:13 PM (sgHEm)
Revolvers are a good choice. At least it can be deployed one handed.
There's just too much risk that at the time you need a gun the most, one of your hands will be occupied. It goes against my gut to think that I'll have time and space to rack a round.
In a perfect world, you'd see trouble coming soon enough to brandish your gun in such a way as to scare off an attack, but in a perfect world you wouldn't need to carry a gun to protect yourself.
As to your GP100 being too big, I would mention that I've rigged up a pistol grip Mossberg for under shoulder carry and in winter its good to go. Twas just an experiment, never actually left the house like that.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2018 09:30 PM (z79tQ)
You apparently suffer from a pretty severe read comprehension problem.
I said, IF YOU HAVE TO DRAW.
Which pretty much negates the basis of the rest of your rebuttal.
"And there are situations (where a concealed carrier comes upon a robbery as a third party, say), in which they have plenty of time to draw, and chamber a round."
And you have statistics on this? Personal experience from rural Ohio?
"I carry a revolver."
Ok. Great. How about you refrain from giving advice to people who might carry a semi-auto, then?
Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at January 21, 2018 09:30 PM (C1NyB)
I don't carry, but that's irrelevant to the discussion - which is now featuring some incredibly aggressive categorical assertions.
Does data exist, of a volume and detail, to tell us if in fact mode of carry affects, on average, the outcome of incidents involving concealed-carry? If not, not sure what these categorical claims are based on.
Then there's the double/single semis. One can be chambered, with little chance of anything going amiss, and is "available" to be fired - unless double-action trigger-pull time is now also deemed critical to incident outcomes.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 21, 2018 09:30 PM (QDnY+)
I learned something about concealed carry in churches recently. Louisiana has special rules for carrying in church. You have to have permission from the church and have special training yearly. Eight hours of tactical training per year, in addition to normal CCW training.
Here's a link with info from a place that offers the training.
https://tinyurl.com/y9ku43hk
Do other states do anything like this? Or are we...special? (yes, yes we are)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2018 09:30 PM (mtfdF)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:12 PM (aC6Sd)
Bingo. The notch safety is foolproof and can be unlocked in milliseconds due to it's proximity to the thumb.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 09:32 PM (UThOJ)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 21, 2018 09:32 PM (knKQ1)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:33 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:35 PM (aC6Sd)
I never proffered advice. I said, quoting my own goddamned self:
"But if I did carry a semi auto, I'd probably carry it without one in the chamber." Reading comprehension, indeed, good sir.
As a couple of other guys apparently actually do, right here in this thread. "Israeli carry", I guess they call it. Maybe you should go over there and show those Mossad guys how it's done.
You carry your pistol any way you want to, dude. I just hope you only shoot your own giblets off, and not an innocent bystander's.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:36 PM (sgHEm)
I learned something about concealed carry in churches recently.
Louisiana has special rules for carrying in church. You have to have
permission from the church and have special training yearly. Eight hours
of tactical training per year, in addition to normal CCW training.
Here's a link with info from a place that offers the training.
https://tinyurl.com/y9ku43hk
Do other states do anything like this? Or are we...special? (yes, yes we are)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2018 09:30 PM (mtfdF)
Not trying to be snarky Mama AJ but I get my permission from God.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 09:38 PM (UThOJ)
Good thing too, says I. The idea of SA without an external safety is a bit unnerving to me.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2018 09:40 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2018 09:42 PM (aC6Sd)
Oh shit, now Mass Media's going to tell me I'm drinking wrong, and should stick with Pimm's Cups and Sazeracs.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 09:44 PM (sgHEm)
For carry, we use 380 ACP and the Mrs loves her Sig P238, which is a very sweet mini 1911. External hammer and single action, no decocker, but you can (carefully) manually decock it. Ultra accurate and very little recoil. You definitely need to use the safety as it's a very light trigger. I find it a bit heavy for a pocket pistol, so I've just acquired a Ruger LCP II. Very light (hence more recoil), easiest breakdown you're likely to find. One quirk is that I find that using the pinky extender on the magazine is essential, otherwise you get "limp wrist" misfeeds. Talon grips helped the feel as well. YMMV.
Posted by: MichiCanuck at January 21, 2018 09:47 PM (Lk8va)
Like roughly 97.8% (a number I just made up but let's see you disprove it) of arguments on the internet, it's based on whatever "makes sense to me."
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at January 21, 2018 09:48 PM (7oUUT)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2018 09:49 PM (mtfdF)
If Zimmerman carried with an empty chamber Trayvon would have murdered him.
Posted by: rbx at January 21, 2018 09:58 PM (Uvt9C)
Posted by: rbx at January 21, 2018 09:58 PM (Uvt9C)
Good point.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 21, 2018 10:05 PM (UThOJ)
Posted by: jasonj at January 21, 2018 10:10 PM (qSQLQ)
But more realistically, my Grand Power with the 20 round magazine. With one in the tube.
But I don't, so I wouldn't.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2018 10:12 PM (sgHEm)
There's some thing with rimfire pistols and magazine size going on.
Posted by: Ingot9455 at January 21, 2018 10:16 PM (7Jg/P)
Posted by: Jeff Chang at January 21, 2018 10:40 PM (6+TsW)
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 10:40 PM (w7KSn)
Zimmerman had plenty of time to rack a round before the incident occurred.
Posted by: navybrat, enjoying covfefe at January 21, 2018 10:48 PM (w7KSn)
https://www.tandemkross.com/McFadden-Ultimate-Cliploader--Ruger-MK-Series_p_31.html
Posted by: sandman at January 21, 2018 11:05 PM (s/Yiw)
Z was ambushed, knocked to the ground, and straddled so he only had one hand to use.
If Z racked the slide outside the car he'd be brandishing. TM could claim self defense as 'that guy was coming after me with a gun' (or in this case the prosecutor could argue it showed Z had intent to use the pistol and was the aggressor).
Taking your pistol out of and back into concealment to rack the slide before an 'incident' and then having to do it again to empty the chamber greatly increases the chance of negligent discharge due to excessive handling.
A good holster with trigger covered is perfectly safe. Keep pistol in holster and only draw when necessary. Observe the four rules. Thumb safety if secondary mechanism desired.
Carrying with empty chamber is better than not carrying. One is free to choose whether to put one in the pipe and the tradeoffs for each.
Posted by: rbx at January 21, 2018 11:19 PM (Uvt9C)
Zimmerman is not a 70 year man like me.
If I don't want to put one in the tube, I don't have to.
If I put one in the tube, I am already on very high alert.
I promise I ain't gonna chase down no teenagers...
Not in your dreams.
Posted by: navybrat at January 21, 2018 11:59 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Chad C. Mulligan at January 22, 2018 01:29 AM (FxmQy)
The P10C also looks to be an excellent gun, but I haven't had enough trigger time with one to really form an opinion. That being said, I have been impressed with CZ products over the years and the Glock holster compatibility is nice.
The only. 22 pistol I know of that has more is the S&W 41 and by extension the 422, 622, etc. - the hold 12. Ye issue us the rim dictating a single stack magazine. Double stack 22s are a bit wonky.
Posted by: Matt at January 22, 2018 09:08 AM (xgsI9)
First time shooters do well with it. I like the replaceable grip panels and good trigger.
I have tried the CZ. It is a good gun also. Hard to get.
Posted by: Paul N at January 22, 2018 09:30 AM (TZsrd)
I fired a bunch of 9 mills before deciding on the HK, went with the one that I liked the best.
Posted by: Blaine at January 22, 2018 10:22 AM (JE/pK)
Posted by: jagamo at January 22, 2018 11:19 AM (AW7+T)
Posted by: mcnamara at January 22, 2018 11:25 AM (Uxwjb)
I carried a Glock for 20 years and was a Glock Armorer too. When the VP-9 came out I fell in love with it and have carried one ever since.
Posted by: Fred at January 22, 2018 01:40 PM (NH+24)
Posted by: Dean at January 22, 2018 02:11 PM (lgKiP)
Posted by: Tony 2 times at January 22, 2018 03:37 PM (fbUUK)
If you want to put a hole in your leg or foot get yourself a Glock an put in in a Serpa holster. The Serpa has a gun release button that needs to be released with your trigger finger. Be careless and as the gun comes out of the holster, the button pushing trigger finger will slide onto the short stroke trigger and fire a round. Search YouTube for range accidents and watch for the guy who says, " I just f*****g shot myself!" to see it in action.
Posted by: Holsters the first safety at January 22, 2018 08:21 PM (xpKpV)
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sheriff-guns-20150614-story.html
I've never really understood what was the problem with a hammerless SAO semiauto with thumb safety, carried loaded & locked. Simplest concept, and the best trigger pull. I learned on an old Woodsman as a kid, and have thought of it ever since as the perfect autopistol.
Oh, and here's the story on the Philippine Moros, the .45 ACP, and General Pershing:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juramentado
Posted by: William Befort at January 22, 2018 10:11 PM (hJFOo)
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