EMT 12/17/17

Can anyone explain the "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" doctrine?

Anyone? The 4th amendment of the constitution is the part of the Bill of... anyone... anyone? Rights, the Bill of Rights, which protects citizens against unreasonable searches and... anyone?

Anyone?

Mueller? Mueller?

P.S.: Am I the only one who thought Ferris was a complete dick in that movie?

Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM

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1 Good Morning Morons today is Sunday, December 17, 2017. On this day in 1951 the American Civil Rights Congress delivered the document "We Charge Genocide" to the United Nations. The Civil Rights Congress was a communist affiliated group in the 50s. The Russians through their allies in the Baltics financed these agitation groups in the 50s and 60s.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

2 More evidence of out of bounds crap by the witch-hunt Mueller team.

A lawyer for the Trump presidential transition team is accusing Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office of inappropriately obtaining transition documents as part of its Russia probe, including confidential attorney-client communications, privileged communications and thousands of emails without their knowledge.

http://tinyurl.com/ybmua7bc

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

3 The Australian police have arrested a man and charged him with aiding the Norks to obtain missile components.

http://tinyurl.com/yd55jz83

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

4 Report says NBC paid hush money to a woman who charged Piss Mathews with sexual harassment.

http://tinyurl.com/yc2cuu7a

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

5 Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 05:57 AM (aC6Sd)

6 Some thieves should find a new profession, as the saying goes 'it is hard to go through life, it's even harder when you are stupid'.

http://tinyurl.com/y9jpugbp

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

7 At Christmas time a lot of cockroach assholes crawl out of the woodwork so people need to watch out. Here we have a disabled vet who was pushed to the ground and then the asshole grabbed her service dog and took off with him.

http://tinyurl.com/ycgapcsx

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

8 And speaking of dogs, a VA woman was taking her two pittbulls for a walk when evidently they turned on her an mauled her to death. Police say that it appeared these dogs had been bred for fighting.

http://tinyurl.com/y97on2t9

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

9 That WI group of church hating atheists tried their scheme with Republican lawmakers in CT who were ringing bells for the Salvation Army kettles. The lawmakers basically told them to pack sand. Its about time some folks refused to kowtow to those assholes.

http://tinyurl.com/y7w5ve86

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

10 The Hill joins the crowd blaming the RNCe for Moore's loss in AL.

http://tinyurl.com/yahwvn2k

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

11 Nazareth mayor says yes there will be Christmas celebrations in Nazareth. There has been reports that they would be canceled to protest Trump recognizing Israel's capitol.

http://tinyurl.com/ycewx49w

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

12 Since Trump has taken over and is undoing most of Obama's crap EPA rules and restrictions the eco-commie watermelons are going back to their old standby; lawfare. It is far too easy to sue in the US.

http://tinyurl.com/ycahqbsv

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

13 Trump about to crush yet another BS Obama rule change that allowed H1B Visa holders to bring their spouses in for US jobs as well.

http://tinyurl.com/y7tygn2p

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

14 University of MN bans bows, wrapped gifts, and other things related to Christmas for displays. All of these far left religion hating universities should have all taxpayer funds canceled. If they are going to act like assholes then treat them like assholes.

http://tinyurl.com/y8prfput

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

15 Failed Clinton secretary of State calls on congress to illegally block Trump's foreign policy. She still likes giving the Norks basket balls.

http://tinyurl.com/ycj7uw2y

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

16 Ramirez

http://tinyurl.com/yccxquh6

And that's it for today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

17 G'mornin' Horde !

26 degrees, overcast; cold pizza & hot coffee for breakfast.

#NotTiredOfWinningYet!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 06:02 AM (XvTYo)

18 Can anyone explain the "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" doctrine?

I am not a lawyer, not have I stayed in a Holiday In lately. But as I understand it any evidence that the police gather from an action that is not allowed to be used in court, not any downstream evidence they obtained through that um-permitted action.

It is not a law, nor is it in the Constitution, including the 4th amendment. It is a precedent made up by activist black robes in the courts.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:03 AM (mpXpK)

19 BTW, if a court agrees that Mueller did obstain that stuff I referenced in #2 illegally it would be the 'fruit of the poisoned tree' and could not be used in any legal proceeding.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:06 AM (mpXpK)

20 17
G'mornin' Horde !

26 degrees, overcast; cold pizza hot coffee for breakfast.

#NotTiredOfWinningYet!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 06:02 AM (XvTYo)

24.2F here and still have an hour to go before sunrise. I just finished a plate of eggs, sausage, and grits. Already had my coffee.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:09 AM (mpXpK)

21 I've long LOATHED Farris.

Posted by: Tom Terrific at December 17, 2017 06:12 AM (/R4ru)

22 The nice thing about the storm outside is that we need the rain. The bad thing is the thunder loud enough to vibrate the floor.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 17, 2017 06:13 AM (IcT7t)

23 My heat pump does not like 24F weather either. That is why you don't see them much up north. So I have one of those stupid Chinese fake electric fireplaces that wife bought w/o telling me first. I run that when below 32F to keep the heat pump strip heaters from cutting on.

I had been using gas logs for this which are in my real fireplace but the only place I could put that stupid $400 POC that wifey bought was in front of the real fireplace.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:14 AM (mpXpK)

24 "The Fruit of the Poisoned Tree Doctrine" is a legal standard that states "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit?"

And no. Ferris was a complete dick.

Posted by: OleanderSalad at December 17, 2017 06:15 AM (+Bkcx)

25 So I have one of those stupid Chinese fake electric fireplaces that wife bought w/o telling me first. I run that when below 32F to keep the heat pump strip heaters from cutting on.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:14 AM (mpXpK)

Yeah, they're crap. 5,000 btu per hour. Big deal. You can buy a $25 space heater and get the same amount of warmth.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:17 AM (ajiE5)

26 The "fruit of the poisoned tree" principle is like if you're a vegetarian, you can't eat a Venus flytrap because, even though it's a plant, it feeds on animals, so by eating it you're indirectly eating meat, too. So it isn't vegan if you water an avocado tree with chicken broth and then eat guacamole from the avocados from that tree.

Or something like that.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 06:18 AM (zkGZ8)

27 25 Yeah, they're crap. 5,000 btu per hour. Big deal. You can buy a $25 space heater and get the same amount of warmth.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:17 AM (ajiE5)

yep. . . But it has that "beautiful" hand made by Amish Artisans wood cabinet.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:19 AM (mpXpK)

28 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 17, 2017 06:21 AM (KCxzN)

29 you are not alone: Ferris is a complete dick in that movie

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 17, 2017 06:22 AM (KCxzN)

30
yep. . . But it has that "beautiful" hand made by Amish Artisans wood cabinet.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:19 AM (mpXpK)

Yeah, what a scam. I have a BIL who bought one of them. Keeps his house at like 60 degrees and huddles in front of the thing. But 5,000 btu per hour in the northeast doesn't cut it. Except in a very, very, very small room.

BTW: What is a gas log?

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:23 AM (ajiE5)

31 I could never watch the "Ferris" movie all the way through because Ferris was such a dick. This, however, is overshadowed by how good Rebecca De Mornay looked in Risky Business.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 06:24 AM (zkGZ8)

32 BTW: What is a gas log?

Posted by: Acme Explosives
________

It's like a shart but not as bad.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 06:25 AM (zkGZ8)

33 The unanswered question is how did that asshole dork wind up with Mia Sara the hawt babe.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:26 AM (mpXpK)

34 Fruit of the poisoned tree. I thought that was Chelsea Clinton.

Posted by: RickZ at December 17, 2017 06:26 AM (94JKh)

35 This, however, is overshadowed by how good Rebecca De Mornay looked in Risky Business.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 06:24 AM (zkGZ

Which is overshadowed by how good Rebecca De Mornay looked in 'Hand That Rocks The Cradle' - refrigerator scene.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:27 AM (ajiE5)

36 BTW: What is a gas log?
Posted by: Acme Explosives

That's when you trust a fart

Posted by: Bruce at December 17, 2017 06:29 AM (8ikIW)

37 30 BTW: What is a gas log?

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:23 AM (ajiE5)

They are fake logs you can get to put in a fireplace that have a gas burner imbedded in them that you light and it makes a good fake fireplace fire. The logs also aid in throwing the heat out into the room.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:29 AM (mpXpK)

38 Vic, it is so weird that you are still getting shipments of Wisconsin weather down there, especially while we are back to typical weather for this time of year. Getting any snow with that ?

I see a lot of optimists trying to sell heat pumps around here, but no one I know has bought into it yet.

And yes, Ferris was a completely self-centered dick. Presented as a role model.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 06:29 AM (XvTYo)

39 They are fake logs you can get to put in a fireplace that have a gas burner imbedded in them that you light and it makes a good fake fireplace fire. The logs also aid in throwing the heat out into the room.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:29 AM (mpXpK)

That's what I thought you meant. I could see that creating a helluva lot more heat then the phony 5,000 btu fireplace.

Women.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:34 AM (ajiE5)

40 38
Vic, it is so weird that you are still getting shipments of Wisconsin
weather down there, especially while we are back to typical weather for
this time of year. Getting any snow with that ?

I see a lot of optimists trying to sell heat pumps around here, but no one I know has bought into it yet.

And yes, Ferris was a completely self-centered dick. Presented as a role model.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 06:29 AM (XvTYo)

We rarely get snow here despite having some cold ass weather. The problem is the cold usually comes in with a high so the skies are clear. It takes a special set of circumstances to get snow. We have maybe one snowfall a year here on average. We are supposed to get some rain over Christmas due to a low moving in, but it is going to warm up too.

And you would not want a heat pump in Wisconsin. Better off with an oil fired forced air furnace.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:35 AM (mpXpK)

41 Can anyone explain the "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" doctrine?

Is it one of the recipes in the cookbook ?

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2017 06:35 AM (ljqwg)

42
Rebecca De Mornay looked in 'Hand That Rocks The Cradle' - refrigerator scene...

One minute video. In French for some reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4n964sTMiA

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:36 AM (ajiE5)

43 That's when you trust a fart

Politicians are like farts.....ya can't trust 'em.

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2017 06:37 AM (ljqwg)

44 This crew of Mueller's is well known for various cases of evidence obtained illegally but then developed through parallel means to appear legal. It is cheating with a big C. Weisman especially does it and did it with the Enron case which got all the verdicts thrown out AFTER obliterating Arthur Andersen and ruining the careers of thousands of totally innocent people. This POS does it over and over and never gets disbarred. All of them are scum.

Posted by: Lester at December 17, 2017 06:38 AM (LfJIn)

45 Assume a 'bad' search; in violation of 4th Amendment protections. Assume that search turns up the murder weapon with defendant's and victim's DNA. The search also reveals a map leading to the location of the victim's car. A search of the car reveals more evidence.

All of this began with the illegal search. What tool is available to enforce defendant's 4th Amend. Rights?

A} Arrest and prosecute cops.

B) Declare illegally seized evidence not admissible in trial of defendant. All of it.

Like 'chain immigration'; the DNA, the car, and the car's contents were all found as a result of the illegal search. That evidence is "the fruit of the poisonous tree". The 'tree' itself being the unlawful search.

This legal 'remedy' is just fine. The real issue comes in determining when a search if unlawful.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 06:40 AM (akTw0)

46 Surely the biggest Orwellian term is "Dept. of Justice"

This is the problem, people think it is there for "justice," when it is there to leverage power. Nothing more.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 17, 2017 06:42 AM (LWu6U)

47 >>P.S.: Am I the only one who thought Ferris was a complete in that movie?

With or without the foreskin?

Posted by: Caliban at December 17, 2017 06:43 AM (QE8X6)

48 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:14 AM (mpXpK)
Yeah I have already gone through just short of a cord of firewood this year.

Posted by: F.N.G. at December 17, 2017 06:43 AM (kiSdp)

49 45 All of this began with the illegal search. What tool is available to enforce defendant's 4th Amend. Rights?

A} Arrest and prosecute cops.

B) Declare illegally seized evidence not admissible in trial of defendant. All of it.

Like 'chain immigration'; the DNA, the car, and the car's contents
were all found as a result of the illegal search. That evidence is "the
fruit of the poisonous tree". The 'tree' itself being the unlawful
search.

This legal 'remedy' is just fine. The real issue comes in determining when a search if unlawful.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 06:40 AM (akTw0)

I have always believed the best solution is to arrest and prosecute the cops. Not allow other known criminals to walk away free. That is how that asshole Obama buddy Bill Ayres walked.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:43 AM (mpXpK)

50
In my sons new house he has an unvented gas fireplace with the phony logs. I'm seeing a lot of that anymore. Dependent on room size up to about 15,000 btu per hour. No chim chimney. No venting required.

Which would seem to indicate that you could just about close off the damper and be safe. Probably want to have a CO detector though. Bi-products of good combustion are CO2 and water. Bi-product of insufficient combustion is CO.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:44 AM (ajiE5)

51 Morning all

I need another Cappuchino

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2017 06:44 AM (NGhsm)

52 The real question is did Ferris ever dick that girl, I forget her name, but not her body

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2017 06:45 AM (NGhsm)

53 50 Which would seem to indicate that you could just
about close off the damper and be safe. Probably want to have a CO
detector though. Bi-products of good combustion are CO2 and water.
Bi-product of insufficient combustion is CO.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 06:44 AM (ajiE5)

My fireplace damper will not completely close. It seems to have a stop that will leave it partially cracked even if you shove closed hard.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:46 AM (mpXpK)

54 Absolutely, most everyone around here has one of those high efficiency forced-air furnaces running on town gas or propane - the big tell is the PVC pipe sticking out of the basement wall as a vent.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 06:46 AM (XvTYo)

55 33 The unanswered question is how did that asshole dork wind up with Mia Sara the hawt babe.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:26 AM (mpXpK)
________________

He didn't. He ended up with that horse-faced Sarah Jessica Parker. Bwahahahaha.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 17, 2017 06:47 AM (fqUgw)

56 52
The real question is did Ferris ever dick that girl, I forget her name, but not her body

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2017 06:45 AM (NGhsm)

Mia Sara

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:47 AM (mpXpK)

57 55 He didn't. He ended up with that horse-faced Sarah Jessica Parker. Bwahahahaha.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 17, 2017 06:47 AM (fqUgw)

LOL, I don't remember her being in the movie but it has been a long time since I have seen the movie. I don't have any kind of a video of that movie.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:49 AM (mpXpK)

58 Mia Sara
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:47 AM (mpXpK)

Thanks. Now I can google her and fantasize

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2017 06:50 AM (NGhsm)

59 The last scene in that movie ruined the whole movie for me. How is destruction of a car entertainment? How? Why?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 17, 2017 06:52 AM (LWu6U)

60 How is destruction of a car entertainment? How? Why?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 17, 2017 06:52 AM (LWu6U)

Bathhouse Barry destroyed cars for entertainment, too: Cash For Clunkers.

Posted by: RickZ at December 17, 2017 06:55 AM (94JKh)

61 Morning peeps.

The kitteh is up for play time. I'm up for coffee.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at December 17, 2017 06:57 AM (iiixZ)

62 Vic - no body would EVER become a cop. To search or not to search is a VERY tough question. The street cop is not prepared to make the 'fine distinctions' that a judge (with benefit of arguing counsel), or a panel of 3 - 5 - 7 - or 9 Judges can decide on a majority basis months or years after the facts. The cop has to decide NOW on limited information and faced with mobile evidence.

Problem: Not enough info to arrest murder victim's boyfriend driving away from scene. Stop him? If so, search car? If so, open glove box? Trunk? How about the bag he was carrying? Each of those steps presents a tree that may or may not be poisonous. You
wanna' be the cop who has to decide and - if wrong - go to jail.

As I said above, to me that issue is not admissibility, but the determination of 'lawfulness' of the search.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 06:57 AM (akTw0)

63 LOL, I don't remember her being in the movie but it has been a long time since I have seen the movie. I don't have any kind of a video of that movie.
____________

She wasn't in the movie, but that's who Matthew Broderick (who played Ferris) married.

Mia Sara is currently married to puppeteer Brian Henson.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 17, 2017 06:57 AM (fqUgw)

64 Artical up at American Thinker how goverment employees commit crimes against the public then use the constitution and 5th amendment to protect themselves.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 06:58 AM (aC6Sd)

65 Okay, turned off my VPN in China. Testing to see if I can now comment here.

Pet peeve: referring to comments as "posts."

Posted by: Kevin C at December 17, 2017 07:04 AM (Q6UDF)

66 No, you are right. Ferris was an asshole.

Posted by: Mike at December 17, 2017 07:07 AM (oGI1N)

67 I can't hear the name "Chris Matthews" anymore without thinking about Jiminy Cricket singing "Kris, Kris Kringle (With A Tingle-Ingle-Ingle)"

Posted by: freaked at December 17, 2017 07:07 AM (UdKB7)

68 62
Vic - no body would EVER become a cop. To search or not to search is a
VERY tough question. The street cop is not prepared to make the 'fine
distinctions' that a judge (with benefit of arguing counsel), or a panel
of 3 - 5 - 7 - or 9 Judges can decide on a majority basis months or
years after the facts. The cop has to decide NOW on limited information
and faced with mobile evidence.

Problem: Not enough info to arrest murder victim's boyfriend driving
away from scene. Stop him? If so, search car? If so, open glove box?
Trunk? How about the bag he was carrying? Each of those steps presents a
tree that may or may not be poisonous. You

wanna' be the cop who has to decide and - if wrong - go to jail.

As I said above, to me that issue is not admissibility, but the determination of 'lawfulness' of the search.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 06:57 AM (akTw0)

You don't have to make the punishment for the cop too onerous. There has to be a fine line in there somewhere w/o letting a criminal walk on a major felony.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:08 AM (mpXpK)

69 P.S.: Am I the only one who thought Ferris was a complete dick in that movie?

No.

No you weren't.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 17, 2017 07:10 AM (CDCWW)

70 Looks like we have an early Sunday Morning consensus here, Ferris Bueller was a dick. It must be a scientific fact.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:12 AM (mpXpK)

71 11 Nazareth mayor says yes there will be Christmas celebrations in Nazareth. There has been reports that they would be canceled to protest Trump recognizing Israel's capitol.

He doesn't want to be left out of valuable tourist cash.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 17, 2017 07:13 AM (CDCWW)

72 Kevin C- I'll wish you and your family a Merry Christmas now. Hope all is well.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 17, 2017 07:13 AM (nAtxG)

73 Ferris Bueller was a dick. It must be a scientific fact.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:12 AM (mpXpK)

The role doesn't fall far from the actor.

Posted by: RickZ at December 17, 2017 07:14 AM (gEe5x)

74 71 He doesn't want to be left out of valuable tourist cash.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 17, 2017 07:13 AM (CDCWW)

That's what I thought as well. He is the one who supposedly announced there would be no celebrations. I suspect all the merchants and hotels there jumped his ass.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:15 AM (mpXpK)

75 Never saw the Ferris Bueller movie, but the guy who played him is a jackass.

Posted by: F.N.G. at December 17, 2017 07:15 AM (kiSdp)

76 Starting to warm up now. It bottomed out at 23.5F.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:16 AM (mpXpK)

77 It bottomed out at 23.5F.

=

It bottomed out at 10 here.

Posted by: Corona at December 17, 2017 07:18 AM (88+VL)

78 Vic,

I just read the piece at American Thinker about that U of MN bullshit concerning Christmas. These people are out of control.
Our betters don't seem to want anyone, especially white males, to find joy in anything.

What miserable, joyless people.

From AT:

Paraphrasing H.L. Mencken: "Multiculturalism: The haunting fear that some cis-gendered heterosexual Caucasian, somewhere, may be happy."

Posted by: mpfs, Having a Deplorable Christmas! at December 17, 2017 07:18 AM (O5XQi)

79 I didn't see the Ferris movie until it was long out, but have seen in many times now. I think your supposed to not like Ferris, just like his girlfreind.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 07:19 AM (aC6Sd)

80 Bitcoin is causing global warming because of all of the computers being used to mine bitcoins:

'In a report last week, the cryptocurrency website Digiconomics said that worldwide bitcoin mining was using more electricity than Serbia.'

https://tinyurl.com/y9ypmqaa

Posted by: freaked at December 17, 2017 07:19 AM (UdKB7)

81 Heh, yes - I thought Ferris was a dick.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2017 07:19 AM (W+vEI)

82 78 Paraphrasing H.L. Mencken: "Multiculturalism: The
haunting fear that some cis-gendered heterosexual Caucasian, somewhere,
may be happy."

Posted by: mpfs, Having a Deplorable Christmas! at December 17, 2017 07:18 AM (O5XQi)

I thought Heinlein said that in Time enough For Love. But, then again, he may have stolen it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:20 AM (mpXpK)

83 I don't get the Ferris hate. A sh%$ talking teenager.

His friend was a goober. Girlfriend was a hottie.

By all your Ferris hate logic, the Principal was the hero. Wow.

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 17, 2017 07:20 AM (3mrjU)

84 "P.S.: Am I the only one who thought Ferris was a complete dick in that movie?"
No, you are not.

Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2017 07:20 AM (QHHuJ)

85 when its your house or car they illegally search, you will like "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine,

Posted by: sdharms at December 17, 2017 07:21 AM (W95mO)

86 I think I have said this before but I will say it again. They HATE you! The Big Govt workers and supporter hate you, your spouse, your children, your job, and your beliefs. If you are not hanging off the big teat of government, awaiting your monthly stipend of gruel and suet they hate you. You must believe the all white people are bad, government control and bullying is good. You must believe that some bureaucrat in DC can make a better decision about what goes on your table, in your gas tank, or into your children's' head than your can. I will say it again, THEY HATE YOU.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 07:22 AM (BtQd4)

87 It bottomed out at 23.5F.

=

It bottomed out at 10 here.

Posted by: Corona at December 17, 2017 07:18 AM (88+VL)

H8ers!

Posted by: Well-Endowed Ladies Preservation Society at December 17, 2017 07:23 AM (gEe5x)

88 77 It bottomed out at 10 here.

Posted by: Corona at December 17, 2017 07:18 AM (88+VL)

But I am in SOUTH Carolina and not in the mountains.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:23 AM (mpXpK)

89 Good morning. 9:07 hours of daylight today. Still dark. Breakfast of bacon eggs, grits, toast and home made cherry jam once the Missus arises. Meanwhile, more coffee.

Posted by: colfax mingo at December 17, 2017 07:24 AM (C8LGv)

90 70
Looks like we have an early Sunday Morning consensus here, Ferris Bueller was a dick. It must be a scientific fact.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:12 AM (mpXpK)

Yes, Ferris was an asshole. And a dick.
Although, the actor was funny in that episode of Modern Family as the ghey guy.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 17, 2017 07:24 AM (8iiMU)

91 85
when its your house or car they illegally search, you will like "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine,

Posted by: sdharms at December 17, 2017 07:21 AM (W95mO)

The key is to not get involved in anything that would make them want to 'search' your car or your house.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:24 AM (mpXpK)

92 Started watching "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle" but it seems to weird.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 07:26 AM (zkGZ8)

93 83: the Principal was a victim of a narcissistic sociopath! Ferris was a monster. In his adult years, he'd be conning seniors of there retirement money.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 17, 2017 07:27 AM (CDCWW)

94 The key is to not get involved in anything that would make them want to 'search' your car or your house.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:24 AM (mpXpK)

Don't travel with lots of cash. And if you do, make sure you wash it to get the cocaine residue off of it.

Posted by: Well-Endowed Ladies Preservation Society at December 17, 2017 07:27 AM (gEe5x)

95 Off Boob Society sock.

Posted by: RickZ at December 17, 2017 07:27 AM (gEe5x)

96 Vic - let me give you a real life scenario from my brief law enforcement career.

Radio report of Armed Robbery with shots fired from two handguns. Description of black 5-7 yr. old car, right tail-light out, letters on license BCK, three males, one with large brim hat. You place yourself near major intersection where fleeing bad guys might go. Two minutes later you see Dark Blue 5 yr old car, left tail-light out, two males in front seat - one with large brim hat. You pull behind car and see license BOR.

Do you stop car or wave it bye-bye? If you stop this will be full 'felony' stop. Multiple back-ups, shotguns, and shouted orders to occupants (remember, shots fired - two guns). While you consider this a third person pops up from rear seat.

What cha' gonna' do? You gonna' put your freedom, job, and reputation in the hands of Appellate Courts Judges who might decide 4 to 3 and five years later that the stop was unlawful?

In real-life the trial Court judge decided there was too much 'wrong' and not enough 'right' to justify the stop and search. The guns and the recovered money were thrown out. Bad guys walked. Of course if I hadn't stopped they would never have been arrested in the first place.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 07:28 AM (akTw0)

97 On the topic of Ferris, Matthew Broderick had to pay the ultimate price for iniquitous portrayal and live out his one natural life with Sarah Jessica Parker. Karma, man, karma.

Posted by: Direwolf at December 17, 2017 07:29 AM (BmTFY)

98 If Jack Straw and others are correct, the the IG is about to (finally) take action against the FBI/DoJ people who attempted to sway the election, now trying to oust Trump. And the Obama/Hillary people seem to know it to with people like Holder tweeting threats about not firing Mueller or there will be war in the streets. I really, really hope they have those guys dead to rights.
Is Obama back in DC, or is he still doing his shadow presidency thing overseas?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2017 07:29 AM (W+vEI)

99 91 The key is to not get involved in anything that would make them want to 'search' your car or your house.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:24 AM (mpXpK)

And you can do like my old man did one time. "You got warrant, no, then get on down the road".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:30 AM (mpXpK)

100 Live in nanny wants the man of house and bump off the wife if I remember, only saw it once

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 07:30 AM (aC6Sd)

101 Ferris was like my friend,"Dick" who, did horrible things, but I would laugh at, not because of the things, but because he got away with it! I was always astonished at his actions.

Even ended up in court a few times because of him. some on him, one on me.. eh..

Posted by: Jarvis W. Deplorable at December 17, 2017 07:31 AM (RErNf)

102 94 Don't travel with lots of cash. And if you do, make sure you wash it to get the cocaine residue off of it.

Posted by: Well-Endowed Ladies Preservation Society at December 17, 2017 07:27 AM (gEe5x)

I never travel with lots of cash. That simply invites trouble and not just from the cops.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:31 AM (mpXpK)

103
Started watching "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle" but it seems to weird.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 07:26 AM (zkGZ

It doesn't get better. It ends pretty horrifically. But Rebecca De Mornay.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 07:31 AM (ajiE5)

104 live out his one natural life with Sarah Jessica Parker. Karma, man, karma.
Posted by: Direwolf at December 17, 2017 07:29 AM

Posted by: Whinny at December 17, 2017 07:32 AM (RErNf)

105 96 What cha' gonna' do? You gonna' put your freedom,
job, and reputation in the hands of Appellate Courts Judges who might
decide 4 to 3 and five years later that the stop was unlawful?

In real-life the trial Court judge decided there was too much
'wrong' and not enough 'right' to justify the stop and search. The guns
and the recovered money were thrown out. Bad guys walked. Of course if I
hadn't stopped they would never have been arrested in the first place.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 07:28 AM (akTw0)

It would have to be an asshole Obama judge to declare that an unlawful stop. And like I said, don't make the cop punishment too onerous.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:33 AM (mpXpK)

106 Paraphrasing H.L. Mencken: "Multiculturalism: The haunting fear that some cis-gendered heterosexual Caucasian, somewhere, may be happy."
Posted by: mpfs, Having a Deplorable Christmas! at December 17, 2017 07:18 AM (O5XQi)

Paging Taylor Swift.

Posted by: Gem at December 17, 2017 07:34 AM (XoAz8)

107 One thing is with the Senator Mendez trial, the burden of proof is like setting a pole vault record, it is getting extremely hard to convict goverment officials when you have judges to make rulings in their favor.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 07:34 AM (aC6Sd)

108 But I am in SOUTH Carolina and not in the mountains.

Posted by: Vic

====

South Carolina. The scourge of yetis everywhere. Actually I think it's beautiful down there.

Posted by: Corona at December 17, 2017 07:34 AM (88+VL)

109 IIRC, Matthew Broderick dated Jennifer Grey, Ferris' sister, for many years, but they split after he struck and killed a person while driving when they were on vacation in Ireland. Then he hooked up with horsey.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2017 07:35 AM (W+vEI)

110 Everyone knows the hero in Ferris is the kid drooling on his desk - ah high school.

Posted by: rammajamma at December 17, 2017 07:38 AM (MCpv7)

111 Vic - that was in1971.

I say again - the issue is not admissibility but determination of lawfullness of the police action. That falls on the court.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 07:38 AM (akTw0)

112 What is interesting is that many lawyers coming out of school in the last 10 years have spent 7 or 8 years in college campus settings where the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendments are routinely ignored, denied, and refuted.
On the 1st I would bet over half of new lawyers believe there is such a thing as "hate speech" and the "heckler's veto". On the 4th many people have the attitude "if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide". In our current regulatory system everyone is a criminal, they are just looking for a way to catch you. The 5th, 6th, and 8th do not even exist on many college campuses and are routinely abused cities and municipalities.
These people will end up being the DAs and ADAs that will have no problems violating your rights to add another conviction to their record. Mueller, Mueller, Robert Mueller.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 07:39 AM (BtQd4)

113 107
One thing is with the Senator Mendez trial, the burden of proof is like
setting a pole vault record, it is getting extremely hard to convict
goverment officials when you have judges to make rulings in their favor.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 07:34 AM (aC6Sd)

That was jury packing with Trump hating Obama homeboys who who love Democrat criminals. the DA should have got a change of venue. He was incompetent, or maybe he was a Democrat too.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:39 AM (mpXpK)

114 I've been waiting for the Chris Matthews harassment story to surface, I just knew it was out there. Normally, I wouldn't care about these liberal urban men and their lives, but this is just another example of these American scolds on their soapbox, on their hypocritical rants about the lives of conservative men.

Posted by: redenzo at December 17, 2017 07:39 AM (5wSNN)

115 Thanks Ben Had! Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

Fond memories of your piece of Texas. After pricing acreage in the Houston area, I may be asking you for advice on your neighborhood.

Posted by: Kevin C at December 17, 2017 07:39 AM (Q6UDF)

116 It doesn't get better. It ends pretty horrifically. But Rebecca De Mornay.

Posted by: Acme Explosives
________

Indeed.

My favorite RDM movie is probably "The Three Musketeers." I think she jumped off a cliff in that one. I'm certain Madeline Stowe jumped off a cliff in "The Last of the Mohicans."

Is jumping off a cliff an archetype? If so, it would explain what happened at Saipan.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 07:39 AM (zkGZ8)

117 111
Vic - that was in1971.

I say again - the issue is not admissibility but determination of lawfullness of the police action. That falls on the court.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 07:38 AM (akTw0)

The court was much more liberal in 1971 than it is now. But I say the trick is to get rid of idiot judges like that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:41 AM (mpXpK)

118 >>>I see a lot of optimists trying to sell heat pumps around here, but no one I know has bought into it yet.

And yes, Ferris was a completely self-centered dick. Presented as a role model.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 06:29 AM (XvTYo)
.
.
.Heat pumps work great here in Texas. But they do have an "emergency heat" electric element that will come on when it gets below a certain temp outside. And it burns a whole lot of juice when it does.

Hasn't happened but once in the year we lived here but boy does it stink when that first comes on. I thought the heat pump was burning up the one time it did it. I guess it was the dust that settled on the heating coils burning up when they come on.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 07:41 AM (+Dllb)

119 John Hinderaker at Power Line has a the political post script ot the Miss Universe pageant

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 07:41 AM (aC6Sd)

120 I'm certain Madeline Stowe jumped off a cliff in "The Last of the Mohicans."

Her sister's character jumped off the cliff.

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2017 07:42 AM (ljqwg)

121 I'm now considerably less certain that Madeline Stowe jumped off a cliff. But still -- what's the deal with cliffs?

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 07:44 AM (zkGZ8)

122 Mueller must break the law to invent the law that he will then use to enforce the law.

Just basic police work 101, in our nations Crapitol.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2017 07:46 AM (EoRCO)

123 121 I'm now considerably less certain that Madeline Stowe jumped off a cliff. But still -- what's the deal with cliffs?
Posted by: FireHorse

Don't jump off them.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 17, 2017 07:46 AM (CDCWW)

124 Don't jump off them.

Yeah, it's safer to jump out of ditches

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2017 07:47 AM (ljqwg)

125 My cats are being aggravating turds this morning. One keeps crawling in my lap on the keyboard and another keeps parading across every table in the room knocking stuff in the floor.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 07:48 AM (mpXpK)

126 Best RDM movie is Runaway Train.

One of the best Jon Voight movies as well.

Posted by: harry lime at December 17, 2017 07:50 AM (CRLBR)

127 But still -- what's the deal with cliffs?
Posted by: FireHorse

It's how screenwriters deal with writers block.

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2017 07:51 AM (ljqwg)

128 'But still -- what's the deal with cliffs?'

Because it's there.

Posted by: the Lemmings at December 17, 2017 07:52 AM (UdKB7)

129 Madeline's sister Alice jumps off the cliff to save herself from the evil clutches of Magua, who was going to kill her anyway.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 07:55 AM (aC6Sd)

130 Leave me the heck alone!!

Posted by: Cliff at December 17, 2017 07:55 AM (b8HGm)

131 125: They are letting you know that you are just staff. Now do your job staff! Your furry bosses are restless!

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 17, 2017 07:55 AM (CDCWW)

132 'But still -- what's the deal with cliffs?'

Hey-Now!

Posted by: Cliff Notes at December 17, 2017 07:55 AM (RErNf)

133 Magua said he was going to kill Col Monroe and put all his children under the knife to wipe his seed from the earth

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 07:56 AM (aC6Sd)

134 Ferris was indeed a dick, but he was in a world of even bigger dicks.

"By all your Ferris hate logic, the Principal was the hero."

No, he was one of the aforementioned bigger dicks. Remember when Iran and Iraq had a war and Kissinger said "It's a pity both sides can't lose"? Like that.

Posted by: Lena Dunham's Ex-Dog at December 17, 2017 07:57 AM (mgbY3)

135 "Am I the only one who thought Ferris was a complete dick in that movie?"

No, he was a dick. But people loved him because he was "charming" about it. Can you say Obama (dick extraordinaire)?

Posted by: Khiri at December 17, 2017 07:57 AM (p1Sb7)

136 Vic -

Could get into long discussion Re: this. Fourth Amendment prohibits 'unreasonable' searches - not 'imperfect' ones. To my mind when a trial Court, appellate Court votes 2-1, and next appellate votes 3-2 all agreeing search was 'reasonable' then when Supreme Court decides 5-4 it was unreasonable there is something wrong with the definition of 'reasonable'.

"I don't think that word means what you think it means". is my response to the Supreme Court.

There are fairly recent cases wherein 'good faith' of cops is determinative of the issue. Was it reasonable for cop to believe search was valid? I like this standard much better.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 07:57 AM (akTw0)

137 "Magua said he was going to kill Col Monroe and put all his children under the knife to wipe his seed from the earth"

Unfortunately, Native Americans did not have access to Kleenex.

Posted by: Lena Dunham's Ex-Dog at December 17, 2017 07:59 AM (mgbY3)

138 P.S.: Am I the only one who thought Ferris was a complete dick in that movie?

I couldn't stand the little bastard. I was hoping the Monty Python 16 ton weight was going to land on him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2017 08:00 AM (SiINZ)

139 Glick, "Midnight at the Democracy Dies in Darkness Cafe."

http://tinyurl.com/y7s4y95h

Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 08:01 AM (zOpu5)

140 It would please me to no end if Chris Matthews went down for sex harassment.

Also..

The GOP is a useless pile of dogshit..

And..

It's clear as day that all of the LE and IC apparatuses of this country are broken beyond repair and need to be rebuilt from the top down..

In closing..

Good morning, I think.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 17, 2017 08:01 AM (CW8fV)

141 University of MN bans bows, wrapped gifts, and other things related to Christmas for displays. All of these far left religion hating universities should have all taxpayer funds canceled. If they are going to act like assholes then treat them like assholes.

http://tinyurl.com/y8prfput
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

On a related note and a rant of mine all of this Happy Holidays or the holiday instead of Christmas is not to be "inclusive" it's to be anti-Christian. The Minnesota story aside, these commie companies want to make big bucks off of Christmas without ever mentioning the word

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2017 08:02 AM (SiINZ)

142 Well, are heads at the GSA going to start rolling?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 08:02 AM (oVJmc)

143 .Heat pumps work great here in Texas. But they do have an "emergency heat" electric element that will come on when it gets below a certain temp outside. And it burns a whole lot of juice when it does.

Hasn't happened but once in the year we lived here but boy does it stink when that first comes on. I thought the heat pump was burning up the one time it did it. I guess it was the dust that settled on the heating coils burning up when they come on.

That's normal dude. same with any heating coils that have been dust filled for the interim.

But I save on heat pump costs by firing up the oven and using a fan to blow it into the house! (yes, I must turn it off before I pass out)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 07:41 AM

Posted by: Jarvis W. Deplorable at December 17, 2017 08:04 AM (RErNf)

144 142
Well, are heads at the GSA going to start rolling?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 08:02 AM (oVJmc)

Ha Ha.

Posted by: GSA at December 17, 2017 08:05 AM (b8HGm)

145 Pissy Chrissy Matthews paid off a sexual harassment case. SHOCKA! Come on Rachel Maddow, you are next. That would be a perfect ending to this year.

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 17, 2017 08:05 AM (2X7pN)

146 19 BTW, if a court agrees that Mueller did obstain that stuff I referenced in #2 illegally it would be the 'fruit of the poisoned tree' and could not be used in any legal proceeding.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:06 AM (mpXpK)

If the entire investigation is based upon the DNC and Clinton Campaign funded Dossier isn't the entirety of the investigation including any indictments and guilty pleas "fruit of the poison tree"?

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at December 17, 2017 08:06 AM (IAAMr)

147 Magua said he was going to kill Col Monroe and put all his children under the knife to wipe his seed from the earth

Unfortunately, Native Americans did not have access to Kleenex.

I usually use a ficus.

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at December 17, 2017 08:06 AM (mgbY3)

148 Assault cliffs are made for killing....they have a thing that goes up.

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (1Oy/Q)

149 "I think it's not just that the hierarchies are "stricter," but that the standards are less discernible, so that there's a bigger role for favoritism and punishment of non-favorites. That's why you see so much abuse (sexual and otherwise) not only in Hollywood or in journalism, but in graduate PhD programs, where one person can derail a career without it being obvious that they're doing it for bad reasons."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/283513/

This goes to what I've been saying, that the war is cultural, and that culture is something that is learned. A culture is a group of learned emotional reactions to things, words, ideas, people. It is usually learned in childhood by being immersed in the "culture" you are born into.

What the left is doing is working to instill a new culture in young people through the entertainment industry and the education system. Going to school, to college, is to be completely immersed in the Progressive culture. To advance you must at least pay lip-service to the Progressive culture. Doing even that can warp your emotions. You become what you do, say, think, everyday.

Higher degrees are now required to be considered to be hired to run most every organization. If you don't fit in, your life can be "derailed" and you might not even know why or who did it. Best to align yourself completely with them to get somewhere.

Those with grad degrees were by far the most "I'm with her" group in the election. Real world experience after college can change that but only if the job is one with objective standards to meet not the subjective ones where pleasing the (lefty) boss is more important than getting something tangible done.

Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (zOpu5)

150 "The key is to not get involved in anything that would make them want to 'search' your car or your house."

And what about the people in Wisconsin who had their houses ransacked and all of their computer files searched, for the "crime" of having conservative political opinions and contribution to a conservative political campaign?

Or in the current case, what about Mueller seizing thousands of e-mails that he had no legal right to see?

"Fruit of the poison tree" doctrine came about as a way to make it useless for sloppy or dirty law enforcement agents to ignore constitutional protections with a wink and a nod.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (V2Yro)

151 On a related note and a rant of mine all of this Happy Holidays or the holiday instead of Christmas is not to be "inclusive" it's to be anti-Christian.

Posted by: TheQuietMan
________

I get what you're saying, but I hate it when people say "I hate it when people say 'Happy Holidays.'" There are other holidays in December, after all, like Hanukkah and Repeal of Prohibition Day.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (zkGZ8)

152 Eric Holder and Mitch McConnell - what is it about chinless people?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (TisfY)

153 Chris Matthews sexually harrased Rachel Maddow? Oh the horror!

Posted by: the Lemmings at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (UdKB7)

154 I thought Ferris was a complete dick in the movie, too.

And a major ahole.

Posted by: True the Note at December 17, 2017 08:08 AM (HLTe8)

155 Assault cliffs are made for killing....they have a thing that goes up.
Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM

From, a certain point of view...

Posted by: Obi Wan Kanobi at December 17, 2017 08:08 AM (RErNf)

156 "Chris Matthews sexually harrased Rachel Maddow? Oh the horror!"

Hey, some of us are trying to eat breakfast here.

Posted by: Lena Dunham's Ex-Dog at December 17, 2017 08:08 AM (mgbY3)

157 Chris Matthews hit on Rachel Maddow?

I didn't know rabbits hit on dike lesbians.

Posted by: True the Note at December 17, 2017 08:09 AM (HLTe8)

158 153 Chris Matthews sexually harrased Rachel Maddow? Oh the horror!
Posted by: the Lemmings at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (UdKB7)

So that's why she hates men.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:09 AM (TisfY)

159 It is not a law, nor is it in the Constitution, including the 4th amendment. It is a precedent made up by activist black robes in the courts.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 06:03 AM (mpXpK
*************
When the government breaks the law in order to enforce the law that calls into question the entire justification for law.

Justice Marshall in Marbury v Madison stated that it is the province of the Court to declare what the law is.

Marshall was hardly an activist in a modern sense....but he also was a direct inheiritor of the Revolution and certainly had liberty in mind when he declared that bit about what the power of the Court was.

There has to be a method to bring government to heel or there will be tyranny instead of liberty. The Exclusionary Doctrine must survive or there will be no liberty. It has been attacked at every turn but it survives best in the Evidence Rules.

As I study law I am both alarmed and comforted by the reach and the limitation on government.

Posted by: torabora at December 17, 2017 08:09 AM (nM9An)

160 'jn graduate PhD programs,'

Agree--I saw many examples of this. One resulted in a suicide.

Posted by: harry lime at December 17, 2017 08:09 AM (CRLBR)

161 136 "I don't think that word means what you think it means". is my response to the Supreme Court.

There are fairly recent cases wherein 'good faith' of cops is
determinative of the issue. Was it reasonable for cop to believe search
was valid? I like this standard much better.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 07:57 AM (akTw0)

I agree, and the Supreme Court was wrong. But like I said, they were literally a functioning wing of the Democrat Party then.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:09 AM (mpXpK)

162 Whether or not Ferris is a jerk, wasn't Matthew Broderick miscast in the role? The dude from Stranger Things has more charisma in those commercials for Domino's Pizza than Broderick ever had.

For the record, yes, Ferris is a jerk.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 17, 2017 08:11 AM (2RBkF)

163 Eric Holder and Mitch McConnell - what is it about chinless people?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (TisfY)

I tend to think they (the 'weak' chinned) are stupid. It's just some innate perception based on nothing except gut feeling. Am I alone?

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:11 AM (ajiE5)

164 157 Chris Matthews hit on Rachel Maddow?

I didn't know rabbits hit on dike lesbians.
Posted by: True the Note at December 17, 2017 08:09 AM (HLTe

*****************
Sometimes a blind rabbit gets a nut.

/denounce myself, uses brain bleach

Posted by: torabora at December 17, 2017 08:12 AM (nM9An)

165 163 Eric Holder and Mitch McConnell - what is it about chinless people?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (TisfY)

I tend to think they (the 'weak' chinned) are stupid. It's just some innate perception based on nothing except gut feeling. Am I alone?
Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:11 AM (ajiE5)

Only vote for people with chins.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:12 AM (TisfY)

166 146 If the entire investigation is based upon the DNC
and Clinton Campaign funded Dossier isn't the entirety of the
investigation including any indictments and guilty pleas "fruit of the
poison tree"?

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at December 17, 2017 08:06 AM (IAAMr)

Probably not since they are only "investigating". however, is the illegally obtain evidence that evidence is not admissible in a court.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:12 AM (mpXpK)

167 Funny how it was good enough for Hillary and co. to sort through emails and determine which were private and which weren't,but the same does not apply to Trumps team.

THIS seizure is about leaking damaging information - not about finding collusion (which there is none). Instead, we'll see leaks of 'kushner said in an email the Paul Ryan is a lying snake and can't be trusted' or blah blah blah.

The goal here is to undermine his ability to work with anyone to get anything done.

Of course, they'll 'stop using them' after being threatened with legal action (our bad, we thought it was OK to get procure them), but they'll have already made copies so they can continue to go through them looking for statements they can use to poison the public, Congress, and the 5th column bureaucracy against him.

When more leaks come out from these illegally procured emails (and they will), Mueller's entire team should be fired the charged with conspiracy against the US President. We'll know they were the source of the leaks, and if none will admit to it, the obvious answer is 'they are all involved'.

Trump should order all of Obamas PTT emails turned over. I'm sure there is a trove of fun statements and plots in those. Make Obama do his the work of fighting this out him or be exposed to the light of day.

Posted by: blindside1973 at December 17, 2017 08:13 AM (0z/gq)

168 Good morning Horde. This is the reading for the third Sunday in Advent:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made. . . .

.... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

~ John1:1-3, 14

This is a shocking statement; one of the foundational truths on which Christianity is based. The Word was from eternity, outside of time. "In the beginning" - which is how the Genesis account begins as well. In the beginning, God was already there. The Word was there. The Word became a man. And that man was God. This is the stunning news of Christmas: God became a man and invaded our world, to save us when we could not save ourselves.

Mary, did you know that your baby boy would one day walk on water?
Mary, did you know that your baby boy would save our sons and daughters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGw8holYZr0

Kenny Rogers with Wynonna Judd

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 17, 2017 08:14 AM (lwiT4)

169 Search the net for Ferris Bueller fight club theory. Ferris's assholery might best be explained that he is Cameron's Tyler Durden.

Posted by: Hobo with a laptop at December 17, 2017 08:14 AM (Dgce0)

170 p.s....no.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 17, 2017 08:14 AM (Pg+x7)

171 150 And what about the people in Wisconsin who had their
houses ransacked and all of their computer files searched, for the
"crime" of having conservative political opinions and contribution to a
conservative political campaign?

Or in the current case, what about Mueller seizing thousands of e-mails that he had no legal right to see?

"Fruit of the poison tree" doctrine came about as a way to make it
useless for sloppy or dirty law enforcement agents to ignore
constitutional protections with a wink and a nod.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (V2Yro)

The politicians and the cops who went along with them all should be in jail. That is not a poison tree issue. That is a Statewide corruption issue.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:15 AM (mpXpK)

172 I get what you're saying, but I hate it when people say "I hate it when people say 'Happy Holidays.'" There are other holidays in December, after all, like Hanukkah and Repeal of Prohibition Day.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (zkGZ

I see commercials or paper ads for holiday trees, holiday wreathes, holiday ornaments, holiday lights, holiday gifts under the holiday tree or on the radio playing holiday songs. They are singling out Christmas to never be mentioned while trying to make a buck off of it. I was at a grocery store yesterday and the cashier asked if I want to make a holiday donation for a food pantry. I asked what holiday? No response.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2017 08:15 AM (SiINZ)

173 "Marshall was hardly an activist in a modern sense....but he also was a direct inheiritor of the Revolution and certainly had liberty in mind when he declared that bit about what the power of the Court was."

I agree completely - we forget that the biggest reason the original founders and those who followed were so insistent on putting limitations on government, AND on making the Courts independent of the executive and legislative branches, is that they had lived under a system that didn't have any of that, and they knew first hand how heavy handed and tyrannical a government could become when there were no restrictions on its powers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:16 AM (V2Yro)

174 Trump should order all of Obamas PTT emails turned over. I'm sure there is a trove of fun statements and plots in those. Make Obama do his the work of fighting this out him or be exposed to the light of day.
Posted by: blindside1973 at December 17, 2017 08:13 AM (0z/gq)

I'm sure we'd learn that, oh, the hard drive containing those emails crashed, and wouldn't ya know, all the backups have been lost, too.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 17, 2017 08:16 AM (+F0Wk)

175 So, Vic - did I answer your original question re: 'fruit of the poisonous tree"?

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 08:17 AM (vXbTZ)

176 Can't wait for the outrage over Chris Matthews from Mika and her pet monkey.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 08:17 AM (oVJmc)

177 Mary, did you know that your baby boy would one day walk on water?
Mary, did you know that your baby boy would save our sons and daughters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGw8holYZr0

Kenny Rogers with Wynonna Judd

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 17, 2017 08:14 AM (lwiT4)

Love that song.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:19 AM (TisfY)

178 159 Justice Marshall in Marbury v Madison stated that it is the province of the Court to declare what the law is.

Marshall was hardly an activist in a modern sense....but he also was
a direct inheiritor of the Revolution and certainly had liberty in mind
when he declared that bit about what the power of the Court was.

There has to be a method to bring government to heel or there will
be tyranny instead of liberty. The Exclusionary Doctrine must survive or
there will be no liberty. It has been attacked at every turn but it
survives best in the Evidence Rules.

As I study law I am both alarmed and comforted by the reach and the limitation on government.

Posted by: torabora at December 17, 2017 08:09 AM (nM9An)

I have always maintained that Marbury was a bad decision based on a corrupt judge appointed by Adams to make an all powerful central government though the courts. Jefferson disagreed vehemently with that decision and wanted it reversed but he could never get enough support because the Federalists still wanted the all powerful central government.
Adams could not get it at the Convention so he did an end-run. And BTW, Marbury was a setup case they did before hustling out the back door at midnight.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:20 AM (mpXpK)

179 'Trump should order all of Obamas PTT emails turned over.'

If we played like the Left they would already have been leaked and spread all over the media.

Posted by: freaked at December 17, 2017 08:21 AM (UdKB7)

180 175
So, Vic - did I answer your original question re: 'fruit of the poisonous tree"?

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 08:17 AM (vXbTZ)

I didn't know I had a question.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:22 AM (mpXpK)

181 "The politicians and the cops who went along with them all should be in jail. That is not a poison tree issue. That is a Statewide corruption issue."

Yes, but there's no way to make that happen - not in the past, not now. "Fruit of the poisoned tree" and other restrictions on police behavior came about BECAUSE of wide spread corruption among law enforcement in the 20's and 30's. And the problem with corruption on that scale is that you can't ever convict anyone because the prosecutors are in on it, the DA's are in on it, the juries are rigged, etc. A corrupt system is often corrupt all the way through, and it takes a huge political effort to make any changed in one. (example - Chicago is still just as corrupt today as it was when Capone owned the police force and the DA's there)

What Judges came up with to fight this corruption, on their own, with no need for any help from anyone else, is this exclusionary rule. If the cops play dirty, the perp walks. End of story. If even a corrupt system wants to get convictions, then play by the rules, or don't play at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:23 AM (V2Yro)

182 Too many chins can also be an issue witness Michael Moore.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:23 AM (TisfY)

183 127
But still -- what's the deal with cliffs?

Posted by: FireHorse

It's how screenwriters deal with writers block.

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2017 07:51 AM (ljqwg)

Sometimes you just can't jump a shark.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at December 17, 2017 08:23 AM (DxWUs)

184 Taxi Driver was just on Sundance. Bizarre movie. Although, when I went to NYC in the seventies, it truly was a cesspool.

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 17, 2017 08:25 AM (2X7pN)

185 >>I thought Ferris was a complete dick in the movie, too.

And a major ahole.

Well, there are three kinds of people: dicks, pussies and a$$holes...

Posted by: Gary Johnston, Team America: World Police at December 17, 2017 08:25 AM (W+vEI)

186 181 Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:23 AM (V2Yro)

I disagree. The Fruit of The Poisoned Tree came about by a bad ruling by the courts. I still maintain that there were other ways to address the issue rather allowing known felons to walk.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:25 AM (mpXpK)

187 They are singling out Christmas to never be mentioned while trying to make a buck off of it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan
________

Oh, I'm right there with you. We're having a Secret Snowflake thing at work. It has even crept into the oil industry where Christmas trees -- those things that do something with the change of pressure when oil is pumped out of the ocean floor -- are now holiday trees.

But it's not just Christmas. Consider Martin Luther King Day, which is now the Martin Luther King Day of Service. Because there was no bus boycott in Montgomery, Alabama. MLK was all about recycling or something, so forget about that imagined stuff about content of character and go sort some trash.

All Reverend King wanted to do was save the polar bears, I guess.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 08:27 AM (zkGZ8)

188 Brown woman breaks up with DNC
https://tinyurl.com/ybptmg9n
What she totally missed is that want the Dems to use Big Govt to get around the constitution and laws. She doesn't want freedom, personal responsibility, or her God given rights to be protected. She is unhappy now looking back on 30 year of WORSHIPPING men and women.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 08:29 AM (BtQd4)

189 Taxi Driver was just on Sundance. Bizarre movie.

Posted by: Concerned Peoples
________

Jodie Foster! Man, she was hot as the underage hooker. No wonder Disney wanted her for their next family comedy.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 17, 2017 08:30 AM (zkGZ8)

190 57 55 He didn't. He ended up with that horse-faced Sarah Jessica Parker. Bwahahahaha.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 17, 2017 06:47 AM (fqUgw)

Saw SJP coming out of Sotheby's in NYC about three years ago. I was about two feet from her and you would not believe how absolutely ugly she is . HIDEOUS !!!

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 08:30 AM (4u7kU)

191 "I have always maintained that Marbury was a bad decision based on a corrupt judge appointed by Adams to make an all powerful central government though the courts."

And under the original Constitution, it's easy to make the case that States really did have the right to secede, since they never surrendered their sovereignty, and the police power of the State was never intended to be granted to the central government.

But some bells, once rung, can never be un-rung.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:30 AM (V2Yro)

192 I think alexthechick has written about the fruit of the poisoned tree before. Alas, she's not usually here on weekends.

Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2017 08:31 AM (sdi6R)

193 All Reverend King wanted to do was save the polar bears, I guess.

==============
And plagiarize his doctoral thesis!

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 17, 2017 08:31 AM (2X7pN)

194 Vic - Remember Marshall hated Jefferson. This case was an opportunity to spite him and pull power to the court.

The Crux of the case was the act that established the courts and their jurisdiction as required by The Constitution. In a nutshell Marshall ruled that the language was 'ambiguous' and therefore the law was unenforceable. Why was it ambiguous?

Because, said Marshall, he could find an alternate meaning for the words.

Imagine! The English language might be interpreted different ways by different people! Wow!

Completely ignored was the Court's authority and obligation to actually, you know, interpret the law.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 08:31 AM (vXbTZ)

195 Probably not since they are only "investigating". however, is the illegally obtain evidence that evidence is not admissible in a court.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:12 AM (mpXpK)

Perhaps a more narrow view. If the dossier was used to obtain a FISA warrant, and that FISA warrant resulted in surveillance of the Trump Campaign / Transition, which ultimately resulted in the illegal unmasking of Flynn. Which then initiated FBI interviews where the Comey team determined his misstatements were the result of confusion and declined to indict.

Since in this instance if the FISA warrant was fraudulently obtained, wouldn't all evidence collected under that warrant be Fruit of the poison tree?

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at December 17, 2017 08:31 AM (IAAMr)

196 >>'Trump should order all of Obamas PTT emails turned over.'

We knew this before he left office: Obama's presidency will be remembered as the ghost presidency, where there will be precious little record of what he, his cabinet, his federal agencies did for 8 years. Like Lois Lerner's hard drive, Hillary's blackberries and private email server, the email alias' used by pretty much everyone in his cabinet - Poof! - they were gone before 1/20/17.

As I and others predicted, the Obama presidential library will contain no papers - just whizbang multimedia presentations of his speeches and memorabilia (Michelles's dresses! Obama's pen and phone!).

Posted by: Gary Johnston, Team America: World Police at December 17, 2017 08:32 AM (W+vEI)

197 My friend has a gas log fireplace that vents out through the wall.

Posted by: JAS at December 17, 2017 08:32 AM (7JbXq)

198 And BTW, not only was Marshall an activist judge by today's standards he was also a major crook. He was caught up in a major land fraud case in GA before he was nominated to the court, but you will never hear about that in our liberal history books of today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:32 AM (mpXpK)

199 My top favourite to listen to while painting, Troy Orchestra and Last of the Mohicans
https://youtu.be/HHskPsdlIQM

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:33 AM (aC6Sd)

200 There was a Soyuz launch to the ISS earlier this morning. I didn't see it live because it was past my bedtime and before my waking-up time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5BD8mLa0Nk

Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2017 08:34 AM (sdi6R)

201 A couple of links;

The American Thinker piece mentioned in #64.

http://tinyurl.com/ya2q2orc

A Twitter thread about the history of IG Horowitz, click on "show this thread."

https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/942265755801964544

Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 08:35 AM (zOpu5)

202 Good Morning.

Hey, the "collusion" mandate gives Mueller's team the OK to look into anything PDT's Team did before and after the election. If PDT colluded with the Russians to win election, it only makes sense that PDT would be setting-up policies and deals to pay-back the Russians after he's elected. Maybe PDT successfully concealed the pre-election discussions with Putin, but maybe he slipped-up with his communications security after the election.

That's the problem with the "collusion" mandate for this witch hunt - it's gives Mueller's mercenaries an opening to look into anything and everything ever done by PDT and members of his campaign staff and current White House staff. And if the info gathered shows no campaign collusion crimes were committed, well, then Mueller can ask: Isn't no evidence of collusion a good thing, Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer? (And in any case, maybe the DNC will be very happy to get the PDT insider info!)

Posted by: Gref at December 17, 2017 08:35 AM (AMIL/)

203 Hmm... what kind of man allows his wife to change a fireplace and replace it with Chinese garbage? It is weak to permit that to take place and come here to whine about it. 24F is not very cold - man up... beta male.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:35 AM (97KrK)

204 Ferris was a p*ssy.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:36 AM (97KrK)

205 142
Well, are heads at the GSA going to start rolling?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 08:02 AM

They already did last Monday. There was some confusion why the shakeup. Then everyone knew why. It was in one of those "federal executive" weekly type in house gossipy who gets what job and money "publications". Demotions, early retirements, transfers to Idaho, stuff like that. Hopefully they will be prosecuted.

Posted by: Lester at December 17, 2017 08:36 AM (LfJIn)

206 195 Since in this instance if the FISA warrant was
fraudulently obtained, wouldn't all evidence collected under that
warrant be Fruit of the poison tree?

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at December 17, 2017 08:31 AM (IAAMr)

There is a very good possibility of that and some of the law blogs have already talked about it. However, remember that there are a LOT of Clinton and Obama judges out there who do not give one shit about the law or the Constitution. And the Republicans all voted for them in great numbers.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:36 AM (mpXpK)

207 Vic - sorry .... I see that was kind that asked. My bad.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 08:36 AM (vXbTZ)

208 Arrrrgggghhhhh -krakatoa NOT 'kind' . Dirty brakafratz. Crummy paxaloomer.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 08:38 AM (vXbTZ)

209 Just a question, is there Bitcoin mines anywhere in the US? Might try my hand at looking...

since I am retired...Colorado?

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 08:38 AM (l9lsl)

210 Hmm... what kind of man allows his wife to change a fireplace and replace it with Chinese garbage? It is weak to permit that to take place and come here to whine about it. 24F is not very cold - man up... beta male.
Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:35 AM (97KrK)

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*Munches popcorn and awaits reactions*

Posted by: Side draft at December 17, 2017 08:38 AM (ohP/V)

211 ferris bueller is actually ben rhodes for reels.

Posted by: azalea city at December 17, 2017 08:38 AM (WX+x0)

212 My friend has a gas log fireplace that vents out through the wall.

Posted by: JAS at December 17, 2017 08:32 AM (7JbXq)

My daughters house has one of those. In a room about 400 sq feet. Vents out about five feet from the ground.

While my sons house, with a room with an open area in excess of 700 sq feet is totally unvented.

If I remember my science correctly, when burning natural gas, with insufficient oxygen carbon monoxide is created. Small room, big fire, oxygen gone. Dangerous.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:39 AM (ajiE5)

213 203
Hmm... what kind of man allows his wife to change a fireplace and
replace it with Chinese garbage? It is weak to permit that to take place
and come here to whine about it. 24F is not very cold - man up... beta
male.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:35 AM (97KrK)

She didn't change the fire place. Shew bought a heater w/o telling me. There was no 'let' to it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:39 AM (mpXpK)

214 ANND one more thing

Ilsa of Casablanca fame only loved Ilsa
any port in the storm, amirite?

Posted by: azalea city at December 17, 2017 08:40 AM (WX+x0)

215 There is also a guy who does a heavy metal version that is worth hearing

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:40 AM (aC6Sd)

216 Vic - she bought and an installed it without telling you? And what was the consequence?

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:40 AM (97KrK)

217 Bit coins to me have to be like the tulip craze in 1600's Holland ( if I remember correctly)

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:41 AM (aC6Sd)

218 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2017 06:50 AM (NGhsm)

http://bit.ly/2AZYGsv Mia Sarapochiello

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 17, 2017 08:41 AM (y3aQB)

219 Hmm... what kind of man allows his wife to change a fireplace and replace it with Chinese garbage?

It was Amish. The ones responsible for most of the terror attacks.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:42 AM (ajiE5)

220 They are not putting wood fireplaces in new homes any more. A friend of mine works for a fireplace company (gas inserts, pellet stoves, etc.) and tells me that regulations in many areas do not allow it. He says that they act as heat sinks and remove much more heat from the home than they provide.

We have gas fireplaces and I think they are crap. We just run the furnance.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:42 AM (97KrK)

221 1637, nailed it

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:42 AM (aC6Sd)

222 Funny, actually; about the only long-distance travel I've done these last few years is going to the larger hamfests - huge, mostly outdoor flea markets of ham radio & general technology stuff - which necessarily involves carrying mass quantities of cash-in-small-bills. First day of Huntsville or Dayton at 0800 I often have 2 - 3 k distributed around my pockets; by Sunday afternoon I have gas money for the drive home and a car full of weird crap incomprehensible to those Not Of The Body.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 08:42 AM (XvTYo)

223 216
Vic - she bought and an installed it without telling you? And what was the consequence?

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:40 AM (97KrK)

There is no "install" it is a single unit that you can put anywhere. She also bought one for her Mom w/o telling her. Her Mom told her to send it back. Which I wound up paying the shipping charges to and from which were quite high because they are heavy.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:43 AM (mpXpK)

224 I had to replace the sensor in my vented fireplace natural gas operated. The store had several of those fake fireplaces. I'd guess they are mostly for the effect of having a fireplace. They also sell vented fireplaces that are huge...something like a lord would use in his castle...amazing.

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 08:43 AM (l9lsl)

225 Chris Matthews

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 08:43 AM (41vLA)

226 13 Trump about to crush yet another BS Obama rule change that allowed H1B Visa holders to bring their spouses in for US jobs as well.

http://tinyurl.com/y7tygn2p

____

bbbbut bbbbut bbbbut if we do that software might cost an extra $0.25

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 08:44 AM (41vLA)

227 people?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 17, 2017 08:07 AM (TisfY)

I tend to think they (the 'weak' chinned) are stupid. It's just some innate perception based on nothing except gut feeling. Am I alone?
Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:11 AM (ajiE5)

Only vote for people with chins.

For other reasons ( big chin) i always thought Jay Leno would be great at oral sex, so I guess it would follow that Holder and McConnel would not.

Posted by: Chillin the most at December 17, 2017 08:44 AM (S5wVA)

228 Vic - OK. I sometimes feel like we need a shipping dock installed here when the wife goes on a Amazon rampage. The last time, I cancelled the cards and put her on a cash allowance.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:45 AM (97KrK)

229 Gotta' run - Grand-daughter's b'day in 2 hrs.

Vic - thank for the discussion, I enjoyed it.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (vXbTZ)

230 >>>>My friend has a gas log fireplace that vents out through the wall.

Posted by: JAS at December 17, 2017 08:32 AM (7JbXq)

.
.
.
.We have one of those in our house. Propane with a 100 gallon tank buried outside. We don't use it because the dogs hate it.

This past summer wasps took over the vent on the outside of the house and I had to call the pest guy because I am allergic to bees. There were over a hundred of them in that vent when I took it apart after he killed them and one huge bloated queen who had been laying eggs like mad.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (+Dllb)

231 228
Vic - OK. I sometimes feel like we need a shipping dock installed here
when the wife goes on a Amazon rampage. The last time, I cancelled the
cards and put her on a cash allowance.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:45 AM (97KrK)

Right now I having enough problems with wifey w/o that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (mpXpK)

232 "If I remember my science correctly, when burning natural gas, with insufficient oxygen carbon monoxide is created. Small room, big fire, oxygen gone. Dangerous."

Hard to do with nat gas, since it is the cleanest burning fuel. Easy way to tell - gas flame should be blue with a yellow tip. Any smoke at all and there's a problem with your combustion. Charcoal and any wood products have a much greater potential for CO production.

Unless your room is hermetically sealed, meaning no air can get in - then you shouldn't be burning anything at all. But hard to find unless you're in a submarine.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (V2Yro)

233 http://www.hearthnhome.com/

This may help... these guys are a very good and reputable company.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (97KrK)

234 I think it's a safe bet Chris Matthews comes to work drunk sometimes.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (W+vEI)

235 My fireplace is the old style without additional apparatus, we don't use it often but do in emergencies like no power. If burned all weekend it can keep area of the house comfortable. My sister has the vent and fan system and can heat her house basically just using that.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (aC6Sd)

236 216 Vic - she bought and an installed it without telling you? And what was the consequence?
Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:40 AM (97KrK)

Perhaps they need a good talking to, if you don't mind my saying so. Perhaps a bit more. My girls, sir, they didn't care for the Overlook at first. One of them actually stole a pack of matches, and tried to burn it down. But I 'corrected' them sir. And when my wife tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I 'corrected' her.

Posted by: Grady at December 17, 2017 08:47 AM (IAAMr)

237 Where I live new home can't have wood burning fireplaces. Cuz burning wood makes mother gaia cough or something.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 08:47 AM (41vLA)

238 4 degrees this morning in the Berkshires. I rise every morning at 6, make coffee, fire up the two Jotuls which rake about an hour to knock the boiler off. By then it's light enough to walk the Bichons. Counting the days til spring

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 08:47 AM (4u7kU)

239 Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (W+vEI)

I think he always works sauced

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 17, 2017 08:47 AM (y3aQB)

240 234 I think it's a safe bet Chris Matthews comes to work drunk sometimes.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2017 08:46 AM (W+vEI)

__

I think he comes to work sober sometimes and drunk most of the time.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 08:48 AM (41vLA)

241 23 "My heat pump does not like 24F weather either. "

We ripped out the geothermal heat pumps I installed on my son's house and carriage house last year. Replaced the units with good old gas forced air.

Cut the heating costs in half and much more comfortable.

Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 08:48 AM (/roJx)

242 ?

FYNQ?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 08:49 AM (oVJmc)

243 Finally above 32F now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:49 AM (mpXpK)

244 Local Gannett paper having a fit over the net neutrality law, they say we will have to pay for most everything now free on the internet. All the websites will charge..I'm confused.

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 08:49 AM (l9lsl)

245 244 Local Gannett paper having a fit over the net neutrality law, they say we will have to pay for most everything now free on the internet. All the websites will charge..I'm confused.
Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 08:49 AM (l9lsl)

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Remember those dark days pre-2015 when we had to pay for everything on the internet? Yeah that's what will now happen.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 08:50 AM (41vLA)

246 I can see Chris Matthews and Bob Beckel trashing a DC bar together.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 08:50 AM (V2Yro)

247 We ripped out the geothermal heat pumps I installed on my son's house and carriage house last year. Replaced the units with good old gas forced air.

Cut the heating costs in half and much more comfortable.
Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 08:48 AM (/roJx)

___

I have both. On the thermostat there is a cutoff setting. I have mine set to 36 degrees. Over that, the heat pump, under that LP. Maximizes efficiency and keeps the house nice and toasty.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 08:51 AM (41vLA)

248 Someone at work mentioned that she heard some minister was lobbying for the end of modern Christmas because it has strayed so far from its origins that it is now a disgusting mockery of the holy day.

He's not 100% wrong.

Posted by: Gem at December 17, 2017 08:52 AM (XoAz8)

249 Just read a Townhall artical on Net Neutrality, 400 pages of regulations trashed.
It fells good to win.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:52 AM (aC6Sd)

250 I noticed that my shed has a huge wasp nest in one corner. Waiting for the coldest day, and take a shovel and remove it. I assume that's the best time? When its like 10 degrees...

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 08:54 AM (l9lsl)

251 jake the snake tapper and alan sues are father and son. swearsies

Alan Sues was regular on Laugh In (rowan and martin)

interwebs confirm millikohn is the direct descendent of
stan laurel

Posted by: azalea city at December 17, 2017 08:54 AM (WX+x0)

252 I work with a group of generally conservative peeps. But when it comes to Net Neutrality, they've bought into the MSM lies 100%, freaking out about having to pay $100 to watch Netflix streaming and other such bullshit.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 08:54 AM (41vLA)

253 Where's my check for being offended and refusing to have sex with Chris Matthews?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 08:55 AM (oVJmc)

254 Replaced the units with good old gas forced air.

Cut the heating costs in half and much more comfortable.

Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 08:48 AM (/roJx)

The most comfortable system of all is hot water baseboard. I doubt they even install them in new homes anymore. I figure I have about a thousand feet of copper in this house. Snaking up/down/ across and around every room. Sixty five degrees? Feels like a summer day. No 'wind chill' cooling, because no fans.

But efficiency? Not very.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:55 AM (ajiE5)

255 Obama reported Tingles?

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:55 AM (97KrK)

256 Also at Townhall over 700 people have quit, retired or taken government handouts and left early in the EPA
The winning just keeps on coming

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:55 AM (aC6Sd)

257 In case nobody has explained "Fruit of Poisonous Tree" yet. It means that no information, not even an investigative lead, can be exploited as a result of an illegal search. If a cop stops you for no reason at all, and then sees an illegal weapon in your car, he can seize it ... but you can't be prosecuted for it

But more than that, if he sees anything in your car that links you to any other nefarious activity, he cant use that. And, if later, you get indicted and it is discovered that the lead for this indictment came from this illegal search, the whole case is toast -- it was the fruit of a poisoned tree. The State is not allowed to benefit in any way from an illegal search (unless, of course you are a conservative white male)

Posted by: Callmelennie at December 17, 2017 08:56 AM (MUDnD)

258 Grammie Winger quoted John:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made. . . .

.... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Studying Ancient Greek lately, and learned that the Stoics posited an all-pervasive spirit referred to as "logos," John's "word." Logos could also mean a plan or discussion. To reference an actual single word, more likely that the Greeks would say "lexos" (the last syllable changing with case).

The New Testament was written in Greek, with the intention of converting Greek speakers, so learning Ancient Greek language and culture is quite revealing when reading it.

Posted by: Kevin C at December 17, 2017 08:56 AM (Q6UDF)

259 >>Just read a Townhall artical on Net Neutrality, 400 pages of regulations trashed.

It fells good to win.

Yup. And that's 400 pages of regulations that was composed/negotiated in secret by Obama people and their Silicon Valley buddies. That's the real reason why no one who's for it can tell you what's in it, but like lemmings, they've been convinced by these same people (Obama and tech billionaires) that it's absolutely necessary.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2017 08:56 AM (W+vEI)

260 But they had to get the transition emails because those would prove that Trump was preparing to pay back the Russians for gettinghim elected...

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2017 08:57 AM (LiyEm)

261 243 Finally above 32F now.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:49 AM (mpXpK)

I would have the chaise lounges out and firing up the grill at 32

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 08:57 AM (4u7kU)

262 "Amish" fireplaces.

http://tinyurl.com/y7cdjrm3

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 17, 2017 08:57 AM (TPimP)

263 220
They are not putting wood fireplaces in new homes any more. A friend of
mine works for a fireplace company (gas inserts, pellet stoves, etc.)
and tells me that regulations in many areas do not allow it. He says
that they act as heat sinks and remove much more heat from the home than
they provide.

We have gas fireplaces and I think they are crap. We just run the furnance.

Posted by: Max D at December 17, 2017 08:42 AM (97KrK)

My first winter here I had cut down a bunch of scrub oaks in the back yard and I bout a load of fire wood and tried using the fireplace with wood. It did take out more heat than it put in. After that I didn't use it unless I lost power until I had the gas logs installed. Now it doesn't get used at all. The damper remains closed and the doors remain closed. It is a custom insert fireplace w/o a fan so it is pretty much worthless.

I wish I had known that when I bought it. I looked at having it torn out an an insert with a fan put in after a couple of years. The carpenter pulled the facing boards off the front and looked at it, then went outside and looked at the chimney and the wall. He said could not pull it out w/o tearing out the outside wall because the house had been built around the POS.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:57 AM (mpXpK)

264 "The most comfortable system of all is hot water baseboard. "

It's great when it's running and everything is to temperature, but it has a slow recovery time if someone opens a door and the room loses a large amount of heat.

Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 08:57 AM (/roJx)

265 books up

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 08:58 AM (mpXpK)

266 Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 08:54 AM (l9lsl)

Spray can of brake cleaner usually dissolves the paper nest and the little bastards inside. Use a lighter just be sure.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 17, 2017 08:58 AM (tnRJU)

267 Vic stole my line

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 08:58 AM (aC6Sd)

268 I had made the case that because Stzork basically colluded to commit a treasonous act; in case "the Plan" failed that he would start a back up "insurance policy" to keep the "menace" from being seated as Pres. Then he started/amplified/used the FISA process with Pee Pee Gate. The Meullar probe is the pointy end of the spear of a conspiracy to commit treason, I think. Whether Mueller was active or just a willing pawn is up in the air. So I think the tree is poisoned. The real question is will anything be done about it.

There is that whole school of thought that Mueller is untouchable because the machinery of government says he his, but the machinery of government hatched this bogus plan illegally. So what next?

Hawaiian Judges issuing countermands to the SCOTUS?

This shit is all retarded now. I am now not pround to be an American. Thanks harbak blowbama!

He basically shepherded Clamydia Thundershart through her "looking into" and pushed for exoneration.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 08:59 AM (7+qdf)

269 Called it. Noticed the abandoned strip mall last week, fenced, boarded up, but pried open. "That's gonna burn". Yesterday, it did, to collapse in flames. Bums, matches, some assembly required.

Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at December 17, 2017 08:59 AM (JUce8)

270 Is that Chris hammering someone again?? STOP THE HAMMERING!!

Posted by: Lawrence O at December 17, 2017 09:00 AM (dGUJT)

271 Saw yesterday has anyone asked Mrs Strzok what she thinks of all this? Or has she packed it up and moved to Tahiti?

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 09:01 AM (aC6Sd)

272 My mother (bless her sole) always swore by a coal furnace, constant heat, but took work to remove the ashes. Our home had steam heat, still remember the radiators making hissing and pounding noises early in the morning.

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 09:01 AM (l9lsl)

273 Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:55 AM (ajiE5)

And once that 1,000 feet of pipe starts getting pin-hole leaks it is *miserable*. Penn State graduate housing had that and we had to have the windows open in December, with an infant, because it was impossible to get the apartment below 80 degrees and everything was damp from the humidity.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 17, 2017 09:01 AM (rp9xB)

274 The PTT emails looks to be a mirror image of the Hillary emails.

PTT private persons emails hosted on a .gov server so they are grabbed as they are considered by Mueller's team (and a troll at LI) as being public emails.

Hillary, public official doing public business on a privately owned server where the emails can be deleted and "bleach-bitted" before they can be subpoenaed if they are ever even known of.

Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 09:01 AM (zOpu5)

275 "The New Testament was written in Greek, with the intention of converting Greek speakers, so learning Ancient Greek language and culture is quite revealing when reading it."

More Greek philosophy in the N.T. - Paul, writing "now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face" is just a slight reworking of Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Showing at the very least that Paul was quite well educated in the intellectual theories of his day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2017 09:01 AM (V2Yro)

276 But they had to get the transition emails because those would prove that
Trump was preparing to pay back the Russians for gettinghim elected...

Seems like calling anything 'payoff' without evidence of an earlier favor or arrangement is a big stretch, unlike, say, getting tons of money in return for uranium.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:02 AM (oVJmc)

277 264 "The most comfortable system of all is hot water baseboard. "
I have radiant, like it better. Plus it's cool that you have everything hidden from sight

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:03 AM (4u7kU)

278 RDM was a great source of heat in The Game.

Posted by: Michael Douglas at December 17, 2017 09:05 AM (dGUJT)

279 >>>>Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 08:55 AM (ajiE5)

And once that 1,000 feet of pipe starts getting pin-hole leaks it is
*miserable*. Penn State graduate housing had that and we had to have
the windows open in December, with an infant, because it was impossible
to get the apartment below 80 degrees and everything was damp from the
humidity.
.
.
.Yep had the baseboard water pipe heat in our house in CT. 65 year old house and we had leaks nearly every year of the 15 years lived. there. That plus it was an oil fired boiler, we spent about $3,000 for heat every winter.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 09:05 AM (+Dllb)

280 "I have radiant, like it better. Plus it's cool that you have everything hidden from sight"
Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:03 AM (4u7kU)

That's the one thing about radiant that scares me. I'm going through a $50K - $80K disaster with a leaking valve, I can't imagine if the leak was buried somewhere in the floor.

Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 09:06 AM (/roJx)

281 276 I was just satirizing the likely response to this information...

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2017 09:07 AM (LiyEm)

282 >>> Studying Ancient Greek lately, and learned that the Stoics posited an all-pervasive spirit referred to as "logos," John's "word." Logos could also mean a plan or discussion. To reference an actual single word, more likely that the Greeks would say "lexos" (the last syllable changing with case).

There is a verse in Ezekiel referring to the Word as an entity.

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2017 09:09 AM (cHbmY)

283 250
I noticed that my shed has a huge wasp nest in one corner. Waiting for
the coldest day, and take a shovel and remove it. I assume that's the
best time? When its like 10 degrees...

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 08:54 AM (l9lsl)

Either take a garden hose and hit it with that from a distance or go down to the hardware store and get a can of wasp spray that shoots a long stream and hit it with that. Then knock it down after they are all dead or gone.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 09:09 AM (mpXpK)

284 When I remodeled our house, I removed from 3000 sq ft a bunch of Burnham baseray cast iron radiators. I thought the pile was huge boat anchor. But then I put on Craigslist for $2500 and they were gone in an hour

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:11 AM (4u7kU)

285 BTW Ferris Beuller is a tumor of a human being.

He basically got his "best friend" in trouble by stealing his dads $$$$$$ car, under the assumption that if they run it in reverse that the mileage will roll off. Dumb as a post shit.

When it all goes to shit. He seamlessly gets his friend to pick up the blame and feels like a hero cause he's doing his friend a favor.

Basically he uses everyone around him like a chump for his amusement.

Probably got his girlfriend pregnant before going to college and got his buddy to think he did it and made him pay for her abortion.

"Why I saw the way you looked at her!!! Looks like that can impregnate a girl!'

"Awe gee Ferris, I'm sorry. Lets hock some of my dads gold jewelery and we can get her an abortion.

"What's this "we" shit you ingrate. I'm the one who's been wronged here!"

"Oh ok Ferris"

"And bring me the change. Don't be cheap, hock the huge gold nugget ring he wears to the Bears game."

"You're right Ferris. What would I do without you?"

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 09:11 AM (7+qdf)

286 272
My mother (bless her sole) always swore by a coal furnace, constant
heat, but took work to remove the ashes. Our home had steam heat, still
remember the radiators making hissing and pounding noises early in the
morning.

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2017 09:01 AM (l9lsl)

Water hammer. A good set of steam traps would fix that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 09:12 AM (mpXpK)

287 The unanswered question is how did that asshole dork wind up with Mia Sara the hawt babe.

He's the Sausage King of Chicago.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 17, 2017 09:13 AM (WbIyz)

288 The Ferris character was was targeted at snotty smart ass teens like him.

Worked like a charm, $$$$$$$$$!

Posted by: Studio Suit at December 17, 2017 09:15 AM (dGUJT)

289 287 The unanswered question is how did that asshole dork wind up with Mia Sara the hawt babe.

He's the Sausage King of Chicago.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 17, 2017 09:13 AM (WbIyz)

She likes being abused by sociopath's?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 09:15 AM (7+qdf)

290 I loved Charlie Sheen in that movie. One of his best roles.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 17, 2017 09:18 AM (41vLA)

291 Fluffy: There is a verse in Ezekiel referring to the Word as an entity.

The Old Testament was translated into Greek: the Septuagint. Remarkably, it survived better than then Hebrew edition, so it's been used to resolve conflicted Hebrew editions.

Apparently the classic Greek language was very stable. Maybe due to all those declensions and conjugations?

Posted by: Kevin C at December 17, 2017 09:19 AM (Q6UDF)

292 This should be a movie thread.

Characters that were intended to be likeable, but are thoroughly deserving of scorn.

I'm looking at you Padme!

What the hell was so charming about Anikin?

Whiney cry baby darklord. An emotional retard with psychic powers and a light saber.

Now I'm looking at you Jedi Council. Tell me again how friggin smaht you are.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 09:20 AM (7+qdf)

293 281
276 I was just satirizing the likely response to this information...

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2017 09:07 AM (LiyEm)

Yeah, and it is their likely response, claiming they're working their way back to some vaporous deal, when these same people covered up the earlier, obvious on-the-table chain of events surrounding Tante Oberschenkel.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:22 AM (oVJmc)

294 Asshole muzzies attack a Christian church in Pakistan and kill worshipers. Religion of peace my ass. Death cult.

http://tinyurl.com/ydhxtx66

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 09:22 AM (mpXpK)

295 Character Arc of Ferris.

Starts out movie being a dick.

By the end of the movie he's a full blown sociopath, who at 16 has now learned he can scam the whole world based on charm and a quick line.

"I'm going to college in the fall, so I wonder what's going to happen with me and my preppy girlfriend, Shea Butters. Oh hell we all know I'm going to kill her and eat her for breakfast."

"Wait was that my inside voice or my outside voice?"

(Stares at deep into camera, makes cute face.)

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 09:26 AM (7+qdf)

296 That's the one thing about radiant that scares me. I'm going through a $50K - $80K disaster with a leaking valve, I can't imagine if the leak was buried somewhere in the floor.
Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 09:06 AM (/roJx)

I have a full basement and one story rambler. So mine is completely accessible. I do have a lower story game room that the tubing is buried in the crete. Radiant is like wiring, should never bury a connection.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:27 AM (4u7kU)

297 294 Asshole muzzies attack a Christian church in Pakistan and kill worshipers. Religion of peace my ass. Death cult.

http://tinyurl.com/ydhxtx66

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 09:22 AM (mpXpK)

Now now.....let's not get all backlashy

Posted by: Alphabet Suits at December 17, 2017 09:27 AM (7+qdf)

298 I've heard that mothballs in a shed will keep wasps from building nests inside.

Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 09:29 AM (zOpu5)

299 Alan Sues was actually married once. To a woman.

Didn't expect that.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:30 AM (oVJmc)

300 The one thing you never hear about Net Not Neutrality is that the next gen of Internet based on IPv6 and 5G has prioritization routing built in at a very low level. So in effect I could start a transaction that would be given a priority over other transaction until it completed.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 09:31 AM (BtQd4)

301 I thought he was a righteous Dude!

Posted by: CV-43JAG at December 17, 2017 09:31 AM (plQB6)

302 296 That's the one thing about radiant that scares me. I'm going through a $50K - $80K disaster with a leaking valve, I can't imagine if the leak was buried somewhere in the floor.
Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 09:06 AM (/roJx)

Also, sorry about your woes. I'm trying to imagine what kind of valve you would have buried ?? People put too many connectors in the runs to make it easier to install.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:31 AM (4u7kU)

303 296 That's the one thing about radiant that scares me. I'm going through a $50K - $80K disaster with a leaking valve, I can't imagine if the leak was buried somewhere in the floor.
Posted by: Jwest at December 17, 2017 09:06 AM (/roJx)

I have a full basement and one story rambler. So mine is completely accessible. I do have a lower story game room that the tubing is buried in the crete. Radiant is like wiring, should never bury a connection.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:27 AM (4u7kU)

I would think code in your area would prevent them from burying a coupling in concrete.

The tube itself is well engineered to survive the concrete, chemically, I think.

I went with radiant in a new family room. It's a nice type of heat, but it take a little while to warm up. If the temps are swinging 30 to 60 over the course of the day in the fall, it can not keep up with the quick swings.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 09:31 AM (7+qdf)

304 How do you handle cooling with radiant heat? I would guess it's a no-cool space, or you would have to have ducting anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

305 304 How do you handle cooling with radiant heat? I would guess it's a no-cool space, or you would have to have ducting anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

No cooling capabilities as far as I know. Its fancy baseboard hot water type heat.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 09:37 AM (7+qdf)

306 I would think code in your area would prevent them from burying a coupling in concrete.

You don't bury a coupler, just make one continuous run attached to the reinforcement. You have to make an test valve , fill the run with air and check for leaks before they pour. The run still has the air in it when they pour. When they poured mine, I started to get little bubbles rising. I freaked out but the crete guy said it was just coming from other sources and it would stop.It did

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:44 AM (4u7kU)

307 Mueller (imo) doesn't care if he has poison fruit. He is deep state mafia covering for Hillary, fabricating process crimes only against Trump. But not really just protecting Hillary ... Mueller is part of that dirty mob from way back.

So he collects Trump's attorney client privilege emails, one more item to use as blackmail and threat. And later to defeat Trump in 2020, if they can't impeach him and implant their boy Pence, they will (if they haven't already) "leak" it all to the NY Slimes.

Clintons and the rest get away with all their crap because they have the dirty cops at high levels. It's a globalist mafia, that protected a bank like HSBC (Lynch did that one) when they were caught money laundering $2 BILLION for the drug cartels.

Sanctuary cities, open borders and welfare for illegals, tripling people's health care premiums ... these are the oligarchs commandeering our government.

Firing Mueller this week? Must be followed up with an aggressive prosecution of that team (which investigation is allegedly underway).

(I think the NSA or someone has the Hillary emails, and Mueller's ... heck they may have all the data from the Hillary back door set of phones. But which side are they on?)

Posted by: illiniwek at December 17, 2017 09:50 AM (otAqJ)

308 How do you handle cooling with radiant heat? I would guess it's a no-cool space, or you would have to have ducting anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

Mini-splits. The btu's to cool in this area is a tiny fraction of the btu's required to heat.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 09:53 AM (ajiE5)

309 Annnnd of course I've probably missed grammie.
Thanks for the verses and song if you're still around.

I've heard "In the beginning" translated as "In the dateless past", which it actually was since time is a measurement of heavenly bodies moving in relation to each other.

And speaking of songs, wish I had an addy to email ya two that we recorded Friday evening. Pretty sure you'd at least love the message in each if not the music itself.

Posted by: teej at December 17, 2017 09:53 AM (5cCew)

310 How do you handle cooling with radiant heat? I would guess it's a no-cool space, or you would have to have ducting anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

Big chested brown native girls and palm fronds. 'Cuz mother gaia or some shit.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 17, 2017 09:54 AM (tnRJU)

311 Re: Ferris etc...
I thought (I'm an Ex-Thinker) that the events in the movie were all Cameron's dream, or was that Dallas?

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 17, 2017 09:54 AM (RuIsu)

312 I would think code in your area would prevent them from burying a coupling in concrete.

Even if they allowed it, NO

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 09:56 AM (4u7kU)

313 I put PEX in concrete ... did some solar, was going to supplement with wood. Need to finish that old project now that my 15 year elder care mission is done. Could be a nice hunter's lodge in the woods ... not sure I want to work that hard. lol

I trickle water through now to keep the empty place from freezing winter. At higher flow rates over a few decades, I guess tubing could wear out just from friction. Some sort of glycol probably flows smoothly. idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 17, 2017 09:57 AM (otAqJ)

314 310 How do you handle cooling with radiant heat? I would guess it's a no-cool space, or you would have to have ducting anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 09:34 AM (oVJmc)

In the Berkshires, cooling is not a big deal.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 10:00 AM (4u7kU)

315 How do you handle cooling with radiant heat. You do what they did in the old days. You tie in a separate A/C unit to the vent ducts. Just don't run them both at the same time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 10:00 AM (mpXpK)

316 I went with radiant in a new family room. It's a nice type of heat, but it take a little while to warm up. If the temps are swinging 30 to 60 over the course of the day in the fall, it can not keep up with the quick swings.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 17, 2017 09:31 AM (7+qdf)

It is very slow to get up to speed, probably the slowest

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 10:06 AM (4u7kU)

317 Ferris was a dick, and that movie may be the most overrated film of all time.
Check out the Gilbert Gottfried podcast interview with Matthew Broderick, where the first thing Gilbert says to his guest is how much he hated that movie. Awkward...

As an aside, a few years ago, some friends and I shared a hotel elevator with Ben Stein, who is used to the heckling and had fun with it.

Posted by: Darwin Akbar at December 17, 2017 10:06 AM (7s6Dk)

318 315 How do you handle cooling with radiant heat. You do what they did in the old days. You tie in a separate A/C unit to the vent ducts. Just don't run them both at the same time.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 10:00 AM (mpXpK)

What are these vent ducts you speak of, Kemosabe ????

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 10:08 AM (4u7kU)

319 #299

Not only that, Alan Sues was a World War II veteran.

I saw some Laugh-In episodes earlier this year. Was Sues totally sloshed when they taped that show, or was that part of the act? If the latter, he was really, really convincing.

Posted by: Pete in TX at December 17, 2017 10:10 AM (2RBkF)

320 Good morning and welcome to Day 10 of Minnesota Senate Seat Held Hostage curtesy of the Honorable Al Franken.

-2.9 was the low this morning.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 10:11 AM (3myMJ)

321 318 What are these vent ducts you speak of, Kemosabe ????

Posted by: sofa saver at December 17, 2017 10:08 AM (4u7kU)

LOL, The ones you install for about 2K to 3K. Sorry would not work with radiate heat on the walls or floorboard. That leaves you with what my parents had in their older house with radiate heat. Window units mounted in a couple of windows on different sides of the house.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 10:14 AM (mpXpK)

322 Perhaps the greatest threat to the nation is the increasingly illegitimate administration of justice in this country.

The Left thinks it illegitimate.

The Right thinks it illegitimate.

It's only the elite and mushy middle that have confidence remain, and the elite know it's rigged in their favor.

Posted by: MAGA at December 17, 2017 10:16 AM (LnOh3)

323 No, I also hated Ferris Bueller. The Principal was right and should not have been portrayed as the Bad Guy. I hated that the sister was trying to get back at Beuller throughout the movie but because her shenanigans led to her finding a boyfriend she forgives Beuller and covers for him when finally caught. The audience is supposed to root for Ferris, but I found nothing likable about him. I never want to see that movie again.

Posted by: hadsil at December 17, 2017 10:23 AM (h6Hse)

324 Of course Ferris was a dick, but a very charming one. That's basically the gist of the comedy. Didn't get it? Neither did his sister.

Posted by: Born Free at December 17, 2017 10:50 AM (/eMHk)

325 Hated Bueller. Leftist agitprop. Okay, might have got carried away with that last bit.

Thanks, Morons. Some very funny bits this morning. If these could all be assembled and presented coherently by a funny guy, it could be the start of a CC empire (Conservative Comedy).

Posted by: Tom Scott at December 17, 2017 10:57 AM (9/QQm)

326 Bueller is a jerk--the Science is Settled(tm)!

Bueller-Deniers will be prosecuted!

Posted by: Al Gore at December 17, 2017 11:18 AM (Ndje9)

327 I heat my Virginia home by burning FISA warrant applications in the fireplace.

We're quite toasty, thank you!

Posted by: Andy McCabe at December 17, 2017 11:21 AM (Ndje9)

328 Posted by: illiniwek at December 17, 2017 09:50 AM (otAqJ)

The real problem is the Law itself...

The ONLY penalty a Government Attorney has for spying on you?

He can't use it in COURT... So what they do is spy on you, get information then use it to FIND a probable cause... something that will be admissible...

or they use it to entrap you in a process crime...

Because it is NOT illegal for Cops or the FBI to lie to you, but is illegal for you to lie to them.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 17, 2017 11:24 AM (NgKpN)

329 328 The real problem is the Law itself...

The ONLY penalty a Government Attorney has for spying on you?

He can't use it in COURT... So what they do is spy on you, get
information then use it to FIND a probable cause... something that will
be admissible...

or they use it to entrap you in a process crime...

Because it is NOT illegal for Cops or the FBI to lie to you, but is illegal for you to lie to them.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 17, 2017 11:24 AM (NgKpN)

All you have to tell them is your name, your home address, and maybe your SSN. If there is a possibility they want to question you about a serious crime tell them you will not speak until you have a lawyer.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 11:40 AM (mpXpK)

330 248 Someone at work mentioned that she heard some minister was lobbying for the end of modern Christmas because it has strayed so far from its origins that it is now a disgusting mockery of the holy day.

He's not 100% wrong.

Posted by: Gem at December 17, 2017 08:52 AM (XoAz

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I'm not sure I'm following. He's upset that we've strayed from hijacking solstice so that we could try to get pagans to better accept/participate in Christianity?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Han didn't shoot first. ONLY Han shot at December 17, 2017 11:50 AM (T4n7S)

331 Geese out on the lake, sitting on the ice near the open water.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 17, 2017 11:50 AM (qiyz+)

332 Wearing their geese suits with the down liners.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 17, 2017 11:51 AM (qiyz+)

333 This is the weather they live for.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 17, 2017 11:52 AM (qiyz+)

334 197 My friend has a gas log fireplace that vents out through the wall.

I've got one of those in my house. Had a 'vent free' in the old house.

The vented style uses a lower efficiency burner, higher risk of CO that forces the use of the vent. Result is that a lot of that heat goes out with the vented gas.

Posted by: PMRich at December 17, 2017 11:53 AM (w5Qj0)

335 Come to think of it, a case can probably be made that modern Christmas has focused and encouraged Christianity more than almost anything else, and it's managed to even reach the most atheistic SJWer anti-Christians.

How?

Just tell them they have to work Christmas and see how they react.

Believers, one and all.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Han didn't shoot first. ONLY Han shot at December 17, 2017 11:57 AM (T4n7S)

336 250 I noticed that my shed has a huge wasp nest in one corner. Waiting for the coldest day, and take a shovel and remove it. I assume that's the best time?

I've had good results using a technique I saw on a show about killer bees.....

A soapy water solution in a bug sprayer( kinda heavy on the soap )
Spray it on them like its raining, the soapy water makes it hard to fly and suffocates them

Posted by: PMRich at December 17, 2017 12:03 PM (w5Qj0)

337 Ferris's sister thought he was a dick. And the principle. Everybody else loved him. Well, his friend Cameron seemed to think he was a dick every now and then.

Posted by: Czarkazm at December 17, 2017 12:08 PM (KGXzm)

338 Remember Vic even though the Court gets to say what the law is Congress or the People can just make a new law. That's how we got the 11th Amendment.

Posted by: torabora at December 17, 2017 12:12 PM (7Bgef)

339 "There are fairly recent cases wherein 'good faith' of cops is determinative of the issue. Was it reasonable for cop to believe search was valid? I like this standard much better"
I don't
The case where cops collected licenses a hydroponic store then later ran a test on tea found in the trash leading to a false positive and a SWAT raid comes to mind, The test was known to have a high false positive rate but since it was the test they bought/used it was reasoned the warrant was valid because the officer didn't know any better.
Also SWAT raids in Wisconsin and seizures of personal computers should have tipped you off that loosening definitions in the law will be used as a shortcut of legal process as a means to an end.
Giving the police the "I didn't know" excuse when it is their job to know is a bad idea.

Posted by: mildly citrusy at December 17, 2017 12:20 PM (Hygax)

340 Forrest Gump says PDT is anti-first amendment. Doesn't want to hear the truth.

When will these ignorant Hollywood elitists just STFU and go away?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 12:48 PM (r9UYA)

341 Meuller didn't think he'd get caught, people started to notice that he had access to information that Trump's staff did not give him. I suspect he is going to Flynn people using the illegal documents as evidence of lying to the FBI. What he's doing is despicable, he's desperate for evidence of a crime that isn't a crime. I hope Trump's legal team file criminal complaints against Meuller.

Posted by: Rose at December 17, 2017 01:29 PM (30UCB)

342 Yes Ferris is pretty much a complete dick in that movie. Which lends credence to the theory that the movie is all in Cameron's head. Ferris is Cameron's id.

Posted by: deepelemblues at December 17, 2017 01:54 PM (osJSG)

343 Of course Ferris was a dick.

Wouldn't have been much of a movie otherwise.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 17, 2017 02:10 PM (jWe5r)

344 "or go down to the hardware store and get a can of wasp spray that shoots a long stream and hit it with that."

Do that. Works every time.
Make sure you get the stuff that kills hornets.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 17, 2017 02:12 PM (jWe5r)

345 I have a 100 year old house with the old radiators. I put a Vermont Castings gas fireplace insert into the original fireplace and it works great. Adjustable flame height and forced fan. Remote control and a temp setting to shut it off. Vents out the original chimney. Not cheap but looks like a "real" fireplace, almost.

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at December 17, 2017 02:15 PM (CL76w)

346 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=372983#c28054987

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This was a good stop because the patrol officer observed a misdemeanor traffic offense, i.e. the tail light was out. If the judge said the search was bad, why? Plenty of precedent to remove the occupants, question them briefly about their activities, check for warrants, look for evidence in plain view, or get permission to search. What was the reasoning for suppressing the evidence?
Old man who lives across the street from says he used to write for SNL and was the inspiration for Ferris.

Posted by: Charlie Delaware at December 17, 2017 02:30 PM (xlP2v)

347 Look if Ferris hadn't been a total jerk the movie would have never succeeded as it has. But one viewing was enough for me. What a pretentious little idiot!

Posted by: BJ54 at December 17, 2017 04:37 PM (W7O4m)

348 Dear Shahinshah, to the people who hated Ferris and thought the principal was the hero; WERE YOU BORN FIFTY??? Damn skippy the principal was evil, and yes, Ferris was a wise-ass, Mr. Cool teenager - but he was a freaking teenager! Good lord, leave him alone!

(Jennifer Grey might be something to look at elsewhere, but not in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. She is so consumed by hatred, she can't help but looking the entire time as if someone shoved a 2x6 clear up her ass.)

Side note: it's so funny seeing people talk as if we have a "rule of law" in this country. We don't.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at December 17, 2017 05:18 PM (XF0vH)

349 I tweeted once that I never found FB's Day Off funny got some push back IIRC. But of course I'm right.

Posted by: bobbymike at December 17, 2017 06:22 PM (gJ4xp)

350
P.S.: Am I the only one who thought Ferris was a complete dick in that movie?

The first time I saw the movie (last time) had him pegged as a total asshole.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 17, 2017 07:05 PM (t6XCL)

351 When you ignore good advice, let your desire trump your knowledge, when you have been warned that your actions may have deleterious, nocive even consequences...and still you do it...that is the fruit of the poisonous tree.
We may learn this from Adam and Eve whose curiosity, desire and disobedience cost them the world!
Go...Learn

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