Whistleblowers: FBI Using Loophole to Exploit NSA Program to Spy on Americans

You need a warrant to spy on Americans. But you need no warrant to spy on foreigners.

That sounds fine.

But whistleblowers tell Sara Carter that the FBI is exploiting this difference in how citizens are foreigners are treated to spy on citizens with no warrant.

The #Hack goes like this: Let's say the want to spy on you, but they have no probable cause to do so.

But then they find out you occasionally talk with a a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college.

So they fake up a reason to spy on the Italian and -- whoopsie! -- just happen to wind up surveilling you whenever you talk to your Italian friend.

And you were the target all along, of course.

So much here for the Weekly Standard to not report on.

The whistleblowers, who recently disclosed the program's process to Congressional oversight committees, say concern over the warrantless surveillance mounted when it was disclosed earlier this year that Obama officials had accessed and unmasked communications of members of President Trump’s 2016 campaign, allegedly without clear justification.
The process, known as 'reverse targeting,' occurs when intelligence and law enforcement officials use a foreign person as a legal pretense for their intended target, an American citizen, the officials stated...
The whistleblowers said the program established after the September 11, 2001, attacks has not been successful in preventing terror threats, but instead infringes on privacy rights and could easily be abused for political purposes. Those concerns were also voiced to then FBI Director James Comey in 2014, and alternative options for the program were discussed, a source with knowledge said. And now, those intelligence officials want lawmakers to conduct extensive investigations into the program.
"The program can be misused by anyone with access to it," said a former Intelligence official, with knowledge of the program. "There needs to be an extensive investigation of all the Americans connected to President Trump and the campaign who were unmasked in connection with the 2016 election."
FBI officials declined to comment for this story.

I'm not completely naive about espionage or playing loosey-goosey with rules when a genuine threat is being investigated.

I could support, or quietly tolerate, such violations of the law if the people doing so were doing it only in cases where a real threat to life or security interests existed.

But turning the NSA inside-out to spy on Americans for political reasons?

No, that hasn't been proven yet. But I don't think it will take that long to prove it.

One can only tolerate invasions of privacy if one trusts the people with the power to do so to restrain themselves from turning the exceptional case into the general rule -- taking it from "we'll violate this citizen's rights if there's a clear threat" to "we're just going to use this generally as a snooping tool, when we feel like it, like when there's a man running for president who must not be permitted to win and we need an insurance policy."

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1 to paraphrase another - the deep state hates you, act accordingly

Posted by: Bored383 at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (70HTk)

2
Kislyak'd... right in the kishkes.

I hate these traitorous pig-dogs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (mbhDw)

3 I don't blame people for using loopholes. Once discovered though they should be closed.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (2DOZq)

4 Obama turned the mechanisms of the State on every one of his perceived enemies.

There won't be a single department in the entire Government where his minions weren't / aren't at work trying to undermine anyone they feel threatens the Obama Agenda / Legacy.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:47 PM (8bEU0)

5 "But then they find out you occasionally talk with a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college."

Is he an interesting Italian?

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (j+dfT)

6 We have all read the post, right?

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (zSVEm)

7 Trumpcamps. Trumpcamps for them all.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (fA1SL)

8 So what do you think, Bob?

Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (O5Q3r)

9 Bill Kristol's Jim Comey Dildo (patent pending) just e-mailed to say . . .

"If I wasn't jammed up this asshole's asshole I would totally tweet out a Bible verse that justifies this!"

Posted by: Sharkman at December 15, 2017 05:50 PM (0oDnb)

10 One can only tolerate invasions of privacy if one trusts the people with the power to do so to restrain themselves

I wouldn't trust the Obamanites to wash my car.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (LAe3v)

11 I have no expectation of privacy any more... I assume we are all under some degree of surveillance.. it becomes problematic when we become denounce-worthy..

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (zSVEm)

12 If you're innocent, you have nothing to worry about. Right, comrade?

Posted by: RI Red - No step on snek. at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (1YChx)

13 Just remember, our conservative "opinion leaders" during the Bush era wanted to rubber stamp all of this type of surveillance.

I'd personally rather take my chances with terrorists than the Deep State.

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (uc45P)

14 We have all read the post, right?

There was a post?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (IcT7t)

15 Apparently, it goes further.

If you have an Italian friend who talks to another foreigner that is listed as such, you also get swept up in surveilence.

Not that this surprises me.

I have seen Alphabet Agents randomly listening to phone calls from around the country in surveilence rooms. They soend all day doing warrantless wire tapping. Both via personnel and computer.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (8bEU0)

16 I wouldn't trust the Obamanites to wash my car.

I wouldn't trust them to pick up my dogs shit from the backyard.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (CNHr1)

17 Most everything about me is stored in various databases... that routinely share information, so...

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (zSVEm)

18 *winks knowingly then goes back to blowing dusky desert-dweller's meat-sicle . . .*

Posted by: Ex-Prez'nit Cock-Curious at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (0oDnb)

19 I really don't care what these fvckers see me do, but I don't care much for extortion of money and property.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (nisXv)

20 Similar abuses occur with parallel construction of evidence in a criminal case made possible by unlawful methods.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 05:55 PM (Dp6qK)

21 >>We have all read the post, right?

I read it last night and was called naive for not knowing the government can't be trusted or something.

Because that's news.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:55 PM (/tuJf)

22 Sara Carter is the new Sharyl Attkison (I'm sure I misspelled both of SA's names).

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:55 PM (GsAUU)

23 Is that some new name for a trebuchet, Palpatine ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (XvTYo)

24 Well, that's good news. My husband and I communicate with foreign students, former and current, all the time.

*replaces sticky over camera*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ptqGC)

25 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)

26 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

27 There's stuff out there that says that the likes of the NSA give local law enforcement warrantless surveilance information to go after Bad Guys, and that local law enforcement then reverse engineers to get the evidence for probable cause.

All fine when the targets are heroin dealers. Not so good when they're political opponents.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (cAXIk)

28 23. Some trumpcamps will provide labor & materials for the trebuchets.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (fA1SL)

29 Will they spy on me when I'm talking to my imaginary friend?

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (IqV8l)

30 Wasn't it James Clapper who said the NSA wasn't doing any spying on the public?

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (aC6Sd)

31 26
How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

Now that there is funny!

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (zSVEm)

32 Been seeing for years that we'll spy on the Brits or the Germans for them, and they'll spy on Americans for "us".
Anybody able to confirm or deny?

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (dab45)

33 Not a loophole. A deceit.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (oVJmc)

34 Totalitarian Stasi motherfuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (NWiLs)

35 Zzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Jeff "swamp master" Sessions at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (gfU6H)

36 24. Yep. PRC, most of Eastern Europe, Israel, Russia, Central Asia, ROC....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (fA1SL)

37 But this also goes more towards supporting my theory that Gen Mike Rogers is the one who warned Trump because he knows that Comey and the FBI were spying on his administration before they even got the FISA warrant. I think they may have gotten the warrant more to cover their actions than as a prerequisite to spy.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

38 CAT.. that's the stupid argument my husbands cousin used a few years back. "I have nothing to hide".. we just looked at him dumbfounded.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (CNHr1)

39 What about non-american illegal immigrant types? Is it ok to spy on them?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (UdKB7)

40 O/T Just read where James Kallstrom sez Strzok (or however you spell his name) "belongs in Leavenworth."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (ptqGC)

41 Snowden is hated by most, but he brought up some inconvenient goings on.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (zSVEm)

42 Eliminate the FBI.

Cowards and bullies with badges they have become.

Not to mention traitors and preverts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (EoRCO)

43 It's the old cop trick of "sir your tail light is out which is why I stopped you" and then does a search.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (M06hO)

44 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

Posted by: Phildirt at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (H6KfW)

45 Test

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (gfU6H)

46 All fine when the targets are heroin dealers

No, not all well and good. Where is the line? It is a huge gray area, and the government/ police will always err on the side of intrusive. There is a reason for the 4th amendment.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (BoMuO)

Posted by: Bob from NSA at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (HgMAr)

48
Wasn't it James Clapper who said the NSA wasn't doing any spying on the public?

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (aC6Sd)

He also promised not to do anything in our mouths.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (ptqGC)

49 We are in an internal surveillance race with all other major powers. It's like a space race. Foreign entities, and big businesses, know more about our population than our government does. That makes us vulnerable, and subject to manipulation, especially with the rise of AI. Worrying about our own FBI is just the tip of an iceberg that should concern us.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (EaQ6/)

50 "No, not all well and good."

I meant this as snarc. Big Bill of Rights fan here.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (cAXIk)

51
But then they find out you occasionally talk with a a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college.

So they fake up a reason to spy on the Italian and -- whoopsie! -- just happen to wind up surveilling you whenever you talk to your Italian friend.

Does the Italian have to be in Italy?

Can they spy on you when you call the Chinese restaurant?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (IqV8l)

52 >>It's the old cop trick of "sir your tail light is out - **Smashes Tail Light** - which is why I stopped you" and then does a search.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (8bEU0)

53
Someone's probably already made this observation, but that "insurance policy" comment from whatzizname sure sounds like the sort of thing that would get the Secret Service knocking on a regular citizen's front door.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (eXA4G)

54 Mentioned in the last thread about dropping conservative as an identifying term.

Why not? Liberals did it last decade after Georgie Porgie won reelection. There was an article in some liberal rag back then about how they needed to jettison liberal because of the negative associations and start using progressive. Sure enough, you see progressive far more than you do liberal.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (4ErVI)

55 25 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)

I like to think (pleasepleaseplease) that's why Sessions has been so quiet. Will only get one shot at him, and it has to be incontrivertible.

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (dab45)

56 >>Wasn't it James Clapper who said the NSA wasn't doing any spying on the public?

Yes, and he is also the guy who tired to fire Rogers last November.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (/tuJf)

57 26 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

Along with the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about." We have a government weaponized against its citizenry, with a corrupt intelligence-gathering and law-enforcement apparatuses. We're just a few denunciations and show trials away from the Soviet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (NWiLs)

58 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

yeah.. funny, that. Not ha ha funny either.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (CNHr1)

59 47

Posted by: Bob from NSA

I keep trying to swipe and highlight what you typed Bob but it's not working.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:01 PM (UdKB7)

60 "Sen Ron Johnson R-Wis., chairman on Homeland Security Committee...reveals how edits to Comey's exoneration memo...edited out content that shows the FBI knew Hillary was intentionally in violation of the Espionage Act"

This shit is worse than what was in the Augean Stables.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:01 PM (3myMJ)

61 We need to purge the FBI and NSA.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 06:01 PM (gfU6H)

62 This does sound like taking it to just a whole new level. You know it's always possible to catch up citizens when you are targeting a potential foreign risk. But from the way I read this it's that they are coming up with a bull shit reason to target the foreigner to solely go after the citizen target. Right?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (rV5W1)

63 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

Well, you've heard them say time and time again their real enemies are Republicans.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (eIQHF)

64

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Posted by: Bob from NSA at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (HgMAr)

65 Whoops we scooped up all this stuff completely by accident...
The NSA

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (LiyEm)

66 Bob's a belly dancer?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (UdKB7)

67 >>Right?

YES! You are correct, sir.

Posted by: Zombie Ed McMahon at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (8bEU0)

68 Purging State Security is fraught with peril.... possibly a leader who simply does not care about reputation, and has an uber loyal personal force...

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (zSVEm)

69 bebe's a belly dancer?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (8bEU0)

70 Maybe we also need to take a look at whether we let the Deep State spy on foreigners as well?

I mean once you give them this capability, expect them to use it on us.

And how many terrorist attacks has all of this wire tapping and surveillance really thwarted?

I would be pissed if say Germany was wiretapping my phone calls "just in case"

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (uc45P)

71 Green energy? Good riddance to fossil fuels?

Harness the energy of our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.

Dump the Patriot Ace

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (3/sUh)

72 It doesn't effect me if the friend lives more than 10 miles from my house.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (oVJmc)

73 We will kick any goddammed door down that we want to kick down!

And you will be taught to not only obey, but you will LIKE it!

And our compadres in the Congress, aka Democrats, will have our backs. Our Press friends will cover it up and change the story when necessary.

That is something the Republicans and working citizens forgot to do a long time ago.

Why do you think we are still around?

Suckers.

Posted by: Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe, Weinstein, and our 4am raids on your Trump-ass house at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (UsCnO)

74 "But then they find out you occasionally talk with a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college."

Is he an interesting Italian?
Posted by: Furious George

But not the Irish, correct?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (GjTLE)

75 "reveals how edits to Comey's exoneration memo...edited out content that shows the FBI knew Hillary was intentionally in violation of the Espionage Act"

Is this as simple as these Mooks didn't know how to use the feature in Microsoft Word that lets you erase Track Changes. If you don't take the affirmative step of erasing Track Changes, it's all easily recoverable. Even show the author of the change

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (cAXIk)

76 They lie and cover for each other and hold no one responsible because if the depth of corruption were truly known, they would all hang.

Posted by: Tentotwo at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (yhf6w)

77 >>Purging State Security is fraught with peril.

I gotta level with you, here.

I've seen Peril.

You'd be lucky to even get a taste.

Posted by: Sir Galahad at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (8bEU0)

78 Remember when Democrats were interested in building a wall? Not one to keep out foreigners, of course; I mean Jamie Gorelick's wall between law enforcement and intelligence collection.

They let several thousand people be murdered because they wanted to guarantee that al Qaeda would not be treated the way the Trump administration has been.

Posted by: bgates at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (JDbPD)

79 63 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

Well, you've heard them say time and time again their real enemies are ~~Republicans.~~ Every Day Folks like you and I
Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (eIQHF)

FIFY

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (3/sUh)

80
So remember when Obama wanted to have an Internal Security Force that had more funding than the DoD?

We all thought he was going to hire Bloods, Crips an MS-13s. Well, what if it turned out to be the FBI and DoJ and CIA all along?

Joke's on us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (mbhDw)

81 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (y3aQB)

82 >>>I have seen Alphabet Agents randomly listening to phone calls from around the country in surveilence rooms. They soend all day doing warrantless wire tapping. Both via personnel and computer.

I'd like to upvote this. There is a story I think will ultimately come out.

It's bad.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (8rNrN)

83 also goes more towards supporting my theory that Gen Mike Rogers is the one who warned Trump because he knows that Comey and the FBI were spying on his administration before they even got the FISA warrant. I think they may have gotten the warrant more to cover their actions than as a prerequisite to spy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

Right after meeting him Trump moved his transition offices to his Country Club in New Jersey. Seems like a legitimate theory.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (dKiJG)

84 69
bebe's a belly dancer?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (8bEU0)
prob'ly

Posted by: DJT at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (14URa)

85 This 'loophole' originally started when naturalized citizen Ali Baba Muhammad communicated with Abdul Ali Muhammad in Yemen. The lesson is you can never give unscrupulous people an inch.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (2DOZq)

86 57
26 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of
your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web
searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't
doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

Along with the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to
worry about." We have a government weaponized against its citizenry,
with a corrupt intelligence-gathering and law-enforcement apparatuses.
We're just a few denunciations and show trials away from the Soviet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (NWiLs)

=======
You are going to the range for regular practice sessions, yes?

Posted by: Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe, Weinstein, and our 4am raids on your Trump-ass house at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (UsCnO)

87 Any of us could be ruined in a week or less, if the State decides we are sufficiently annoying.. just a little comforting thought..

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (zSVEm)

88 25 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)

Obama? Eh I can see him not giving the go ahead. Valerie Jarrett or whoever was really making the decisions for that stoned uninterested commie rhetoric spewing scoamf though? Absolutely.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (rV5W1)

89 We're, generally, with the exception of luck, not going to stop one-man armies from doing bad deeds. Except that the ones that we catch before the act are dumb as rocks. Our focus certainly should remain upon stopping the WMD types of acts. We can choose privacy or security, not either and not both.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (EaQ6/)

90 38 CAT.. that's the stupid argument my husbands cousin used a few years back. "I have nothing to hide".. we just looked at him dumbfounded.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (CNHr1)

Everyone has something to hide. And even if you don't, if they want you bad enough, they'll find something.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (NWiLs)

91 Yeah,I'm no longer a Republican and the term conservative no longer covers it either.Deplorables.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (LiyEm)

92 oops

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (14URa)

93
*replaces sticky over camera*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ptqGC)

Damn Jane, you beat me to the punch. Ya gotta be fast around here, because nobody is slow.

*peels sticky tape back, gives NSA the finger, replaces tape*

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (ajiE5)

94 So it's pretty obvious that nobody from FBI had to call a meeting on how to listen in on Trump. Also highly doubtful there's any written request from above.

This is simply "You know what needs to be done" communication.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (JyFLk)

95 This stinks to high heaven. Too bad my indignationometer is pegged out and the hammerofjustice release valve seems to be in a state of disrepair.

Posted by: RustyG at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (1Mft0)

96 http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268730/fbi-plot-against-trump-matthew-vadum
Those people are so fyull of themselves, and best picture of Strzok and his honey pot

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (aC6Sd)

97 OT but final tax bill is out. Im really liking it. The tax rates are way down and brackets way up. Plus child tax credit will phase out at 500k.

Im looking for about 6k a year savings now.

Boom.

That makes up for the extra niney i spend on health insurance thanks to Obamacare.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (dqn5+)

98 66 Bob's a belly dancer?
Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (UdKB7)

He's waving his dick in our faces.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (NWiLs)

99 "In those cases, Americans are either communicating with the foreign
target, have spoken to someone who's part of the chain of calls
associated with the original target or their names have been swept up in
conversations where two foreigners are speaking about them."

Let's say Kevin Bacon is the foreign target. By talking with him on the phone your "Bacon Number" is 1. Talking with someone who talked with him, your "Bacon Number" is 2. But having Kevin mention your name, or the name of someone that has your name, in conversation makes your "Bacon Number" any number they want.

All that needs to be done is have someone call from a foreign number to the foreign target and mention the name of the person you really want. Something like "Did you know John Doe did X." Now John Doe, any John Doe's calls can all be opened out of the big Colorado database and then unmasked. Bingo anyone can be listened to. Heck the foreign 'target" could be in on it helping out.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (zOpu5)

100 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

yeah.. funny, that. Not ha ha funny either.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels

Garland - Draw Mo

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (GjTLE)

101 I know this is an old meme in the horde, but I need to know for story purposes, since a couple of my characters have gotten into an argument. Other than crossbows being easier to aim, and longbows being faster to shoot, what are the pluses or minuses of each? Longbows take a lot of training (and I never got good with my compound), but are faster. Never owned a crossbow, so no experience there.

Posted by: empire1 at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (bnQS6)

102 81 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (y3aQB)

Usually this sort of chicanery gets released on a Friday. If it's Monday you know someone wants to make an issue of it.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the entire CBC had to resign?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (4ErVI)

103 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours
........

Yay! Moar old man balls!

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (HgMAr)

104 This is the first election that I didn't give any money. I was more afraid of the blowback from liberals.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (dKiJG)

105 70 Maybe we also need to take a look at whether we let the Deep State spy on foreigners as well?

I mean once you give them this capability, expect them to use it on us.

And how many terrorist attacks has all of this wire tapping and surveillance really thwarted?

I would be pissed if say Germany was wiretapping my phone calls "just in case"
Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (uc45P)

Well to be fair they probably were forbidden from ever using any of this stuff to investigate someone if they attended a mosque. That would be racist you know.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (rV5W1)

106 Remember when Democrats were interested in building a wall? Not one to keep out foreigners, of course; I mean Jamie Gorelick's wall between law enforcement and intelligence collection.

They let several thousand people be murdered because they wanted to guarantee that al Qaeda would not be treated the way the Trump administration has been.
Posted by: bgates

________

To be intellectually honest, it was Republicans that really wanted organizations like the CIA and NSA to be able to spy on us after 9/11.

All of this surveilance and wars when preventing 9/11 is all about immigration and who we let in.

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (uc45P)

107 Loopholes just means the game is not sufficiently rigged.

Posted by: Love Gun at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (JoQAu)

108 The FBI toptuny stamp. They have become the KGB. I mean the KBG without any integrity.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (zLDYs)

109 >>Right after meeting him Trump moved his transition offices to his Country Club in New Jersey. Seems like a legitimate theory.

Yep. And he is the only member of Obama's intel community that did not really endorse the Russian hacking theory and he is the only member of Obama's intel community he kept.

If you go back and look at the sequence of events and the moves people made I think Trump has known exactly what happened since that day that Rogers met with him in the SCIF that was set up at Trump Towers and a lot of what we have seen from his administration since then has been kabuki while the OIG and other have been maneuvering behind the scene.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (/tuJf)

110 Posted by: empire1 at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (bnQS6)

It's A Trap !!!!

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (2DOZq)

111 >> Moar old man balls!

EPISODE 6 : The Pendulum Swings Back!

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (8bEU0)

112 81 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours
Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (y3aQB)

Until I see one of these fucking arrogant pricks doing a perp walk and sentenced to prison, only then will i believe it.

And when I say perp walk I don't mean some financial scandal like that bitch from FL. I'm talking espionage, treason and the like.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (3/sUh)

113 There's also the 'loophole" where the other intel services who also have access to the Colorado call database can grab the calls of an American since they have no limitation on foreigners/Americans and then slip the transcript to they friends here.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (zOpu5)

114 All that needs to be done is have someone call from a foreign number to the foreign target and mention the name of the person you really want. Something like "Did you know John Doe did X." Now John Doe, any John Doe's calls can all be opened out of the big Colorado database and then unmasked. Bingo anyone can be listened to. Heck the foreign 'target" could be in on it helping out.
Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (zOpu5)

Why do you think they want to bring all the foreigners in who will be beholden to them.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (GjTLE)

115 99 by geoffb - hence the ham radio. Have soneone overseas consistently mention flynn. Flynn calls one of the numbers. fISA warrant.... impeachment... hillary is president. Or
Somethiglike that, youd have to ask the Bitch Kohn.

Posted by: Eli Cash at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (9UNsO)

116 Obama had too many cut-outs. ValJar probably too.

Comey has a big exposure. So do Rice, Rhodes, Yates, Huma and Mills. Lynch, maybe.

Here's a tidbit from Sep 2017:

A Maryland judge ordered the state bar to open an investigation into the three lawyers who helped former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton delete her private emails.

Anne Arundel County Circuit Court Judge Paul F. Harris Jr. said the complaints lodged against David E. Kendall, Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson were egregious and the state bar couldn't dismiss them as frivolous.

"There are allegations of destroying evidence,"Judge Harris said at a hearing Monday morning.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (cAXIk)

117 If this is about punishing excesses during an election cycle, then I'm on board. If this is about gutting our security services, fuck that. We don't know how lucky we are. That's a known unknown.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:13 PM (EaQ6/)

118 In 72 hours the Tick is finally going to tock?

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (3myMJ)

119
♪ Here comes my nineteenth ~~nervous breakdown~~ smashed iPhone ♪

I know the score.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton, Arms Racketeer, Uranium Peddler at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (ajiE5)

120 They should do their domestic spying the right way. Pay the Brits to do it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (BoMuO)

121 I could support, or quietly tolerate, such violations of the law if the people doing so were doing it only in cases where a real threat to life or security interests existed.

No Ace, you can't and you already know why. There can not be any exceptions to laws, because an exception turns into case law turns into ambulance-chasing crony SS disability bullshit. Your deserving exception is my Kate Steinle murderer.

Posted by: Yor, the Hunter from the Future at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (Jj+59)

122 117 If this is about punishing excesses during an election cycle, then I'm on board. If this is about gutting our security services, fuck that. We don't know how lucky we are. That's a known unknown.
Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:13 PM (EaQ6/)

I agree you can't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (2DOZq)

123 Think about this. maybe this is way off base but given the shit going on lately it wouldn't surprise me. Say you have a business or part of your job requires you to talk to tech support often. And you need to talk to "Bob" or "Frank" who is located somewhere in Mumbai etc. etc. Gee, that guy has been talking to a lot of folks outside the US. Hmmmm.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (VAlay)

124 117 If this is about punishing excesses during an election cycle, then I'm on board. If this is about gutting our security services, fuck that. We don't know how lucky we are. That's a known unknown.
Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:13 PM (EaQ6/)

I don't think it is about gutting our security services its about that they fucking live within the rules of the law.

We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (3/sUh)

125 'He's waving his dick in our faces''

Bob is remarkedly un-endowed.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (UdKB7)

126 Just when I sent my shocked face to the cleaners

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (4u7kU)

127 A Maryland judge ordered the state bar to open an investigation into the three lawyers who helped former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton delete her private emails.

Anne Arundel County Circuit Court Judge Paul F. Harris Jr. said the complaints lodged against David E. Kendall, Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson were egregious and the state bar couldn't dismiss them as frivolous.

"There are allegations of destroying evidence,"Judge Harris said at a hearing Monday morning.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (cAXIk)

"No standing. Or something. Fuck if I know whatever this isn't going any further."

-Obama appointed federal judge

Seriously though that's some serious stuff right there. At the very least those are reasons for disbarment.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (4ErVI)

128
This 'loophole' originally started when naturalized citizen Ali Baba Muhammad communicated with Abdul Ali Muhammad in Yemen.

Can't trust those Ali cats.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (IqV8l)

129 How about using an IP (ooma, etc.) and setting your number as any foreign country code, maybe even because you did set it up while in, say, England. Then you plug the phone into any data jack, say in Quantico because IP phone don't care where you plug in, and it show as a call from a foreign phone number.

You can call the guy in the cubicle next to you and say, "DJT dirka dirka jihad, Russians"

Dirka dirka and DJT can be tapped?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (Eu5eZ)

130 Anyone listening in to my phone will die of boredom. Unless they are a bass guitar gearhead or a flyfisher.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (3myMJ)

131 Eric Holder is warning not to fire Mueller or else in Tweets

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (aC6Sd)

132 >>Think about this. maybe this is way off base but given the shit going on lately it wouldn't surprise me. Say you have a business or part of your job requires you to talk to tech support often. And you need to talk to "Bob" or "Frank" who is located somewhere in Mumbai etc. etc. Gee, that guy has been talking to a lot of folks outside the US. Hmmmm.

I spent the last decade traveling extensively around the world including to some not so nice place in the Middle East and Africa and when I wasn't traveling I was on the phone or email.

The thought has occurred to me more than once.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (/tuJf)

133 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)

Even if they do the MFM won't report it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (y7DUB)

134 We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (3/sUh)

With a most fabulous Olympic team! The womens team will be more manly that the mans team!

Now we're getting somewhere!

Posted by: The LGBWTFBBQ lobby at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (ajiE5)

135 Yeah, they're gonna get perp walked like Jon Corzine, oh wait.....

Posted by: Yor, the Hunter from the Future at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (Jj+59)

136 if you've nothing to hide then all you need fear is a process crime.

Posted by: a lurker at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (JyPQf)

137 Montgomery is an NSA whistleblower who says that they are monitoring SCOTUS justices, congressmen, everyone. He has presented his evidence with his lawyer, founder of Judicial Watch and now CEO of Freedom Watch.

Look him up, he has many hard drives exposing this whole shit show allegedly. Guess what, other than twitter/social media, Trump doesn't use a computer. He literally has emails sent to him printed out and then he WRITES responses. Tough to have dirt on a guy who doesn't use a computer regularly! lol

Posted by: prescient11 at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (q+HNC)

138 Term limits:
You can only last so long in Congress before wanking in front of the secretary after going stark raving mad.

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (HgMAr)

139 125 'He's waving his dick in our faces''

Bob is remarkedly un-endowed.
Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (UdKB7)

More than a mouthful is wasted

Posted by: Kevin Spacey at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (3/sUh)

140 Given what my husband did for the last 10 years, I'm not surprised at all. In fact, I predicted it as soon as it was public knowledge what the NSA's role is.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (XKZwp)

141 You know at this point what difference does it make? You got your Trump. Now leave me alone.

Posted by: HRC at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (UdKB7)

142 Fortunately, I am an inconsequential, nonpublic guy, dull and uninteresting...but you all know this.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (zSVEm)

143 Eric Holder is warning not to fire Mueller or else in Tweets
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (aC6Sd)

Is he still leeching off the Californicate taxpayers?

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (y7DUB)

144 This is probably FBI disinfo that is meant to make you think that they are only spying on you when you are talking to foreigners.

Posted by: Born Cynic at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (wA6AB)

145 "135 Yeah, they're gonna get perp walked like Jon Corzine, oh wait....."

Spot - on.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (XvTYo)

146 136 if you've nothing to hide then all you need fear is a process crime.
Posted by: a lurker at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (JyPQf)

No shit

Posted by: Scooter Libby at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (3/sUh)

147 Good thing I don't have any foreign friends.

or domestic friends either, for that matter.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:20 PM (7JbXq)

148 133. What? Of course they'll report on the Kremlin-funded international conspiracy of nationalists to oppress and punish TFG and Felonia Harkonnen for their valiant efforts to fight back against the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 06:20 PM (fA1SL)

149 Hmmmm

Maybe we weren't so far off?

Posted by: John Birch Society at December 15, 2017 06:21 PM (3/sUh)

150 'He's waving his dick in our faces''

Bob is remarkedly un-endowed.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (UdKB7)
...........

Oh yeah? From what I see around this place you all may want to reconsider that pants thingy.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at December 15, 2017 06:22 PM (HgMAr)

151 The Deep State fought the law and the law lost.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (Tyii7)

152 The FBI Is a criminal enterprise.

Shut this bitch down and start it from scratch.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (5eI4E)

153 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller says "more than a dozen" House members will resign over "sexual harassment and secret settlements" within the next 72 hours.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (398bZ)

154 Jamie Gorelick in your government agency is equivalent to Jim Cantore and a film crew at the head of your street before a hurricane.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2017 06:24 PM (hyuyC)

155 Reflecting on these tweets by Holder, and the day long freakout by all of the Never-Trumpers, not to mention the MSM - it occurs to me that they have all just realized that their entire gingerbread house is crumbling in front of their eyes. It's all falling apart and there's nothing they can do to save it, so they rage and make pointless threats.

But that's what's going on. They're figuring out that the game is over.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 06:24 PM (V2Yro)

156 136 if you've nothing to hide then all you need fear is a process crime.

Posted by: a lurker at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (JyPQf)

Why are these people talking to federal agents without a lawyer?

Unless I woke up in North Korea today you're under absolutely no obligation to speak to these people. And if you do, do it through a lawyer.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (4ErVI)

157 It is funny that the FBI is poking its "finger" in the eye of the folks that literally hold the power of the purse.

Want better behavior? 50% cut in staff in DC.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (7JbXq)

158 Simple solution is to scuttle the FBI, NSA, CIA and hire 1/10 the FTE into the new Trump Intelligence Agency (TIA).

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (r9UYA)

159 Paul Ryan is talking about spending more time with his family? Is he next? Did he really blow Al Franken in the coat closet? What about that babysitter? And that incident with the neighbor's dog? Is it all coming back to haunt him?

Posted by: jes sayin at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (UdKB7)

160 I was taking a nap. What happened?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Sfs6o)

161 Help me...I'm dying.

Posted by: The Rule of Law at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Tyii7)

162 We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.

Dammit, that means our women's curling and beach volleyball teams will be on steroids!

(Agree with the prediction, btw, but couldn't help making the joke.)

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 06:26 PM (EzdLW)

163 155. Holder's kinda shaky, a really unstable type. Guys like him - lots of times, they just up and vanish, change their identities and start a new life in a new place and never look back. Just sayin'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (fA1SL)

164 Well, if the incidence of Trolls is any indication, the Progs are getting nervous.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (8bEU0)

165 I was taking a nap. What happened?

You should be ashamed.

Posted by: Jeff SezZzions at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (Tyii7)

166 I could support, or quietly tolerate, such violations of the law if the people doing so were doing it only in cases where a real threat to life or security interests existed.

Posted by: Ace at 05:46 PM

Aren't FISA warrants supposed to be exactly this pathway around potential violations of the law in dire circumstances?

We know how well that worked.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (wYseH)

167 'Oh yeah? From what I see around this place you all may want to reconsider that pants thingy.'

How can you see with my schadenboner blocking the view?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (UdKB7)

168 Now that I'm in Cancun Sonobi speaks Spanish.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (TisfY)

169 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller says "more than a dozen" House members will resign over "sexual harassment and secret settlements" within the next 72 hours.

And their seats will be back-filled w/f*^ks of a different flavor.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (ty7RM)

170 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller

And he knows this how?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (O2RFr)

171 I've been thinking...and yes, I know how dangerous that is.

I have decided that the reason the usual suspects are have such a temper tantrum over the net neutrality non-issue is that they were/are planning to a giant free-shit army entitlement program related to the Internet. Think Obama's phones, but on a much, much larger scale. Complete with a Department of Digital Security.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (oLgfC)

172 Resign in the next 72 hours?

Wimps!

-Hon Al Franken

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (3myMJ)

173
I was taking a nap. What happened?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Sfs6o)

Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (wYseH)

174 Well,we have discovered a form of term limit....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (LiyEm)

175 >>Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (oLgfC)

My thoughts were that their dreams of a Smart Grid hinged on the Net Neutrality Language.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:29 PM (8bEU0)

176 "more than a dozen"

D to R ratio 22 to 1?

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (zOpu5)

177 If Paul Ryan groped anybody it will be male staffers....NTTAWWT

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (LiyEm)

178 Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (wYseH)
----------
Aw man!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (Sfs6o)

179 153 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller says "more than a dozen" House members will resign over "sexual harassment and secret settlements" within the next 72 hours.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (398bZ

Schmucks, complete and utter useless tools

Posted by: Al "Grabbin' Tits" Franken at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (3/sUh)

180 'Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.'

Oh boy! Will the calendar be scratch and sniff?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (UdKB7)

181 "And he knows this how?"

I don't know. It's just what he posted in tweets today.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (398bZ)

182 >>I was taking a nap. What happened?

You missed the Cookbook Giveaway.

Everyone who posted in the last Thread got a Free Cookbook and and Ikea Wall Shelf.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (8bEU0)

183 Ryan new about these hush fund payoffs. I want his head on a platter.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (r9UYA)

184 Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (HgMAr)

Term limits do no good, the CA state assembly is a perfect example, you still have corruption and sexual assault even with term limits.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (gfU6H)

185 NBC just claimed that doubling the standard deduction will lead to less itemizing and that means no one will donate to charities anymore lol.

That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (4ErVI)

186
I don't know. It's just what he posted in tweets today.

Any hint of which party they belong?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (O2RFr)

187
Everyone who posted in the last Thread got a Free Cookbook and and Ikea Wall Shelf.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (8bEU0

Where's my DeWalt cordless drill

Posted by: Ace's Handy Man at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (3/sUh)

188 I was taking a nap. What happened?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Sfs6o)

Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

In a thong.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (GjTLE)

189 "Any hint of which party they belong?"

None that I saw.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:32 PM (398bZ)

190 Cool: Americas longest serving bomber rained death down on Taliban in Afghanistan last month. 19 J-DAM smart bombs.
Git some!
It's friggin' amazing the results you get when let the military do what they do: break things and kill people.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:32 PM (ty7RM)

191 >>I have decided that the reason the usual suspects are have such a temper tantrum over the net neutrality non-issue is that they were/are planning to a giant free-shit army entitlement program related to the Internet. Think Obama's phones, but on a much, much larger scale. Complete with a Department of Digital Security.

When you control the flow of information and control the content, real and Fusion like created, you pretty much win the game.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:32 PM (/tuJf)

192 I wonder what elected officials do to get blackmailable. I honestly don't think there's anything in my background that people could hold over my head. I mean I got drunk a few years ago and get teased about it but that's about.
My language can get rougher than some people would expect but that's kind of it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (Xx7dP)

193 Weasel has nothing on Rip Van Sessions

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (aC6Sd)

194 None that I saw.

Dems then.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (zOpu5)

195

#72Hours

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (IqV8l)

196 "That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do."

Some truth there. Most Christians will continue to support their churches and other causes. I bet lefty causes like PBS take a big hit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:34 PM (7JbXq)

197 NBC just claimed that doubling the standard deduction will lead to less itemizing and that means no one will donate to charities anymore lol.

That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do.

And, like they care. Lefties HATE charities. That's "investment" (spit!) that should be going to an alphabet soup agency.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (ty7RM)

198 "Any hint of which party they belong?"
.........

There's more than one?

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (HgMAr)

199 I'm feeling rather parched...

Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (sdi6R)

200 I wonder what elected officials do to get blackmailable. I honestly don't think there's anything in my background that people could hold over my head. I mean I got drunk a few years ago and get teased about it but that's about.
My language can get rougher than some people would expect but that's kind of it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (Xx7dP)

You're a regular saint, aren't you? I on the other hand would cause so much pearl clutching there would be an oyster shortage. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (aMlLZ)

201 None that I saw.

Dems then.
Posted by: geoffb

Yeah. If it was 22 Repubs, they'd be singing it from the rooftops.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (GjTLE)

202 ZH has the text of the tax bill up. A svelte 1100 pages of "updates" to the 1986 law.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (BoMuO)

203 "reveals how edits to Comey's exoneration memo...edited out content that shows the FBI knew Hillary was intentionally in violation of the Espionage Act"

Is this as simple as these Mooks didn't know how to use the feature in Microsoft Word that lets you erase Track Changes. If you don't take the affirmative step of erasing Track Changes, it's all easily recoverable. Even show the author of the change
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (cAXIk)

I think it would be fair to say most government 'leadership' got to where they are by who they blew not what they knew.
Once there they direct all the peons, stuck in grade because somebody needs to do the actual work, to do whatever crazy shiite they come up with. Like hound government biological scientist because nobody could possibly grow anthrax.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (Eu5eZ)

204 My thoughts were that their dreams of a Smart Grid hinged on the Net Neutrality Language.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:29 PM (8bEU0)

No problemo. We got this...

Posted by: General Electric - taking over where NN left off at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (EzdLW)

205 Its from yesterday the Daily Caller had a article on Hillary and Huma disappearing documents from her State Dept days.
She has been doing that since Arkansas

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (aC6Sd)

206 I wonder if Tom Cotton installed one of those industrial disinfecting showers in his office to try and cleanse himself before he goes home each day.

Posted by: RustyG at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (1Mft0)

207 Bob at NSA is just pissed because he found out I'm tapping more mish than he is.

Bob, it has be hypothesized that those penis pumps will give you cancer.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (A1FgP)

208 Conservatives speak of rule of law versus rule of men. What we see from Obama's reign of error is what happens when the president endorses the rule of men. There was a conscious intent to get rid of anyone who upheld the rule of law in the federal gov't as well as the military. It's not just the deep state; it is the elevation into leadership positions of people who are unprincipled.

Posted by: IanDeal at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (qcIL3)

209 Homemade peppermint bark. Mmmm.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (Dp6qK)

210 The hell with donating my underwear under these new tax rules!

Posted by: BJ "Cutter" Clintoon at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (3myMJ)

211 One major problem with declaring that you will not speak to federal agents is that they will get a warrant for your arrest as a material witness (if they don't have one in their pocket) and take you off to a federal holding pen with little to no outside communication, no lawyer, no bail, no hearing.

They do that ALL THE TIME. All they need to do is justify it to a rubber stamp judge. And BOOM you're gone.

Gee. It sounds like stuff we were told about being done in the USSR not that long ago.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (M06hO)

212 There's more than one?
Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (HgMAr)

You just won the turkey shoot today.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (ty7RM)

213 And, like they care. Lefties HATE charities. That's "investment" (spit!) that should be going to an alphabet soup agency.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (ty7RM)

They'll do it for the tax break. They're all about paying as little as possible while wanting you to pay more.

Remember Hillary donating Bill's underwear and itemizing it? Wasn't it some huge amount too?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (4ErVI)

214 Would be fun to hack/spoof Holder's Twitter. Message: 'I've done all i can. Save yourself.'

See how many people vanish overnight.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (fA1SL)

215 >>Homemade peppermint bark. Mmmm.

I had Peanut Brittle and Coffee for breakfast.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (8bEU0)

216 Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break.

I don't even claim any of my charitable contributions because I don't want the feds to know about it.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (eIQHF)

217 I had heard that some in the Left were looking into the tax exempt status of churches, but it never got traction because of mosques and how it would affect them, beingplaces of worship.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (zSVEm)

218 Lefties HATE charities.

They consider confiscatory taxation their charitable contribution.

Posted by: Jeff SezZzions at December 15, 2017 06:38 PM (Tyii7)

219 Is this as simple as these Mooks didn't know how to use the feature in Microsoft Word that lets you erase Track Changes. If you don't take the affirmative step of erasing Track Changes, it's all easily recoverable. Even show the author of the change
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (cAXIk)

I wonder if it was arrogance or stupidity that caused them not to scrub their metadata.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:38 PM (NWiLs)

220 Funny NBC actually mentioned the record number of judges Trump has gotten through.

A story not talked about nearly enough, but one that is likely to be one of his most enduring legacies after he leaves office in seven years.

Looked it up last night. He's nominated FIFTY so far and gotten 19 through.

Faster, please, FASTER

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (4ErVI)

221 Not breaking news.

Did anyone think for a minute there is not a Lois Lerner in the NSA ?

And fuck you, Bob.

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (nVcge)

222 You know, I have been thinking a lot on the recent discussion on the advancement of AI...

Why do we need Judges, anymore?

We have the Constitution, Original Texts...

Seems to me AI is the answer to many of our Judiciary woes.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (8bEU0)

223 I on the other hand would cause so much pearl clutching there would be an oyster shortage. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (aMlLZ)

Road tramp players are in our own category when it comes to skeletons.

Posted by: BJ at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (3myMJ)

224 219

I wonder if it was arrogance or stupidity that caused them not to scrub their metadata.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:38 PM (NWiLs)

Yes.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (zSVEm)

225 NOOD! GAINZZZZZZZ...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (e9G8E)

226 Bubba's underwear need to go into the Biohazard bin....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (LiyEm)

227 Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (aC6Sd)

Huh! Did someone say my name!
Oh well back to sleep.

Zzzzzzz

Posted by: Rip Van Sessions at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (gfU6H)

228 sock partial fail

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (3myMJ)

229 Too bad Bob at the NSA doesn't have time on his busy Gestapo schedule to look into that little angel Doug Jones.

Bet Doug has talked to lots of foreners.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 06:40 PM (EoRCO)

230 196 "That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do."

Some truth there. Most Christians will continue to support their churches and other causes. I bet lefty causes like PBS take a big hit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:34 PM (7JbXq

I give to our church and synod.
I give to a couple of health groups.
I will continue to give
It doesn't matter what the tax code is
I believe in the groups I donate to.

Posted by: Ace's Handy Man at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (3/sUh)

231 off sock

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (3/sUh)

232 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of
your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web
searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't
doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

Along with the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to
worry about." We have a government weaponized against its citizenry,
with a corrupt intelligence-gathering and law-enforcement apparatuses.
We're just a few denunciations and show trials away from the Soviet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (NWiLs)

The current level of surveillance is a technological proxy for quartering soldiers in homes. The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (Eu5eZ)

233 The FBI can't be trusted, shut the program down or deny the FBI crooks access to any of NSA programs. First it's Trump then it's his voters we can't trust the FBI or justice department.

Posted by: Rose at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (30UCB)

234 209 Homemade peppermint bark. Mmmm.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (Dp6qK)

Told golflady I was gonna make my own.

Too expensive in the stores.

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (nVcge)

235 "The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance."

Good point. If the 3rd's penumbra is good enough to support abortion rights ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (cAXIk)

236 'A story not talked about nearly enough, but one that is likely to be one of his most enduring legacies after he leaves office in seven years. '

Yes, along with all the regulations that he has already slashed.

If Trump serves two terms, he could theoretically get four SCOTUS picks. If you don't think this is why the Left is so desperate to get rid of him......

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (ALDN3)

237 I would suggest instead of exceptions on the ticking time bomb issue, make it a justification defense.

Self defense is one such defense where the person has to admit guilt then must submit evidence that the action was justified to a jury and judge.

Most civilians think long and hard before actually pulling the trigger so to speak due to legal jeopardy. Our overlords should have to do the same.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (qrAwo)

238 Hmm. Blowing up on twitter right now, DOJ did not consult with the OIG before releasing the texts to Congress and the media.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (/tuJf)

239 Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (LiyEm)
Gross!
No way am I accepting that!!

Posted by: A Biohazard Bin at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (gfU6H)

240
Remember Hillary donating Bill's underwear and itemizing it? Wasn't it some huge amount too?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

They were collector's items. Probably show up on American Pickers some day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (IqV8l)

241 'Seems to me AI is the answer to many of our Judiciary woes.'

With the wise Latina, we already have artificial intelligence on the Court.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (ALDN3)

242 I on the other hand would cause so much pearl clutching there would be an oyster shortage. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (aMlLZ)

Road tramp players are in our own category when it comes to skeletons.

Posted by: BJ at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (3myMJ)

I always said my closet looks like a medieval ossuary.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (aMlLZ)

243 'DOJ did not consult with the OIG before releasing the texts to Congress and the media.'

What was it, a modified limited hangout?

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (ALDN3)

244 Homemade peppermint bark?

Recipe please!

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (7JbXq)

245 134 We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (3/sUh)

I remember seeing a Documentary and they had all the these jars with some type of clothing in them so that if needed they could use dogs to track you down.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 06:46 PM (dKiJG)

246 >>> Recipe please!

Step 1: Grow a peppermint tree.

Posted by: fluffy at December 15, 2017 06:48 PM (cHbmY)

247 232
The current level of surveillance is a technological proxy for quartering soldiers in homes. The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (Eu5eZ)

That's interesting. I never thought of it that way before.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 06:49 PM (sdi6R)

248 37 But this also goes more towards supporting my theory that Gen Mike Rogers is the one who warned Trump because he knows that Comey and the FBI were spying on his administration before they even got the FISA warrant. I think they may have gotten the warrant more to cover their actions than as a prerequisite to spy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

-------

Agreed

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 06:50 PM (3svUe)

249 The whistleblowers said the program established after the September 11, 2001, attacks has not been successful in preventing terror threats, but instead infringes on privacy rights and could easily be abused for political purposes. Those concerns were also voiced to then FBI Director James Comey in 2014

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...and his eyes lit up strangely.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2017 06:55 PM (jVm2N)

250 Agreed

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 06:50 PM (3svUe)

There has been a lull in the Susan Rice unmasking story

Posted by: Miklos Molnar, not from DDR at December 15, 2017 06:56 PM (zCyNd)

251 I always said my closet looks like a medieval ossuary.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (aMlLZ)

Newsletter?

Posted by: Association of Tzampotli Hobbyists at December 15, 2017 06:57 PM (zCyNd)

252 Here it is. Pay attention to me when I tell you again. The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:58 PM (zLDYs)

253 The current level of surveillance is a technological proxy for quartering soldiers in homes. The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (Eu5eZ)

That's interesting. I never thought of it that way before.Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 06:49 PM (sdi6R)
WOW.
Can't believe I didn't see that before.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 06:59 PM (eO5CB)

254 'The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.'

Oh thank you so very fucking much.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:59 PM (UdKB7)

255 Here it is. Pay attention to me when I tell you again. The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:58 PM (zLDYs)

Respectfully, not true.

They don't control what they think they control.

Posted by: Association of Hungarian Tzampotli Hobbyists at December 15, 2017 07:00 PM (zCyNd)

256 Something, something, essential liberty, something, safety, something, something.

Posted by: Butch at December 15, 2017 07:00 PM (hXu8T)

257 Another post-9/11 gift from Dubya.

Posted by: Butch at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (hXu8T)

258 252 Here it is. Pay attention to me when I tell you again. The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:58 PM (zLDYs)

I've also been saying that. The Alabama election was a preview of the 2018 midterms. The GOPE wing of the Uniparty is going to give control of Congress to the Demoncrat wing of the Uniparty, and then join forces for impeachment.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (sdi6R)

259 Now you've got me believing that and it's going to come true you'll see and it will be all your fault!

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (UdKB7)

260 Bill Kristol's Jim Comey Dildo

Available in life-size!

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at December 15, 2017 07:04 PM (h7sWp)

261
I've also been saying that. The Alabama election was a preview of the 2018 midterms. The GOPE wing of the Uniparty is going to give control of Congress to the Demoncrat wing of the Uniparty, and then join forces for impeachment.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (sdi6R)

I beg to differ. They have not the courage to strike at the King (the people, represented by Trump).

They expected the Permanent Government to do the deed, and those have failed.

Take note of who is leaving-Flake, Corker-their time is done.

Posted by: Official University Certified Political Scientist at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (zCyNd)

262 The government spent more time spying on contributors to the Scott Walker campaign than the Tsarnaev Brothers. They're building a virtual wall, but it's to keep us in.

Posted by: Al Gore's Turgid Chakra at December 15, 2017 07:08 PM (lnUUQ)

263 Eliminate the FBI.

Cowards and bullies with badges they have become.

Not to mention traitors and preverts

The FBI has become the Sicherheitsdeinst.

The "Blond Beast" would be so proud.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (h7sWp)

264 Hey, I don't want it to be true. But what else could it be? I believe in GOD's Will. If He gave us another chance with President Trump to turn America from its wicked ways then we need to git 'er dun. I doubt we get another chance.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 07:11 PM (zLDYs)

265 261
I beg to differ. They have not the courage to strike at the King (the people, represented by Trump).

Posted by: Official University Certified Political Scientist at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (zCyNd)

I hope you're right, but they don't regard We the People as King. They regard us as serfs who have forgotten our place.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:12 PM (sdi6R)

266 "Since 9/11/01?" So all George Booshes fault I see.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (DOQ/y)

267 rickl

How are you doing? The cheerleading nurses still cute?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (hyuyC)

268 267 rickl

How are you doing? The cheerleading nurses still cute?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (hyuyC)

Thanks, I feel fine. When I was in for my treatment last week, there were several cute ones.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:15 PM (sdi6R)

269 Here is the thing though - they were made to believe that Trump was a fascist dictator. People like Hillary, Obama, and fusion GPS - that is the story they sold. Trump=Hitler. They said that because, well, how the hell else could Hillary Clinton ever get the nod? Mind you, Trump is not Hitler. It was laughable. But before the election, that is what these people thought. Only by cooperating and abusing every power they had could America be protected from Hitler. Obama and Hillary corrupted a bevy of otherwise fairly decent people to do their dark bidding.

Now the election is over. they realize they failed. Worse, some may even have an inkling that Trump is not Hitler. But they are good people. they made an honest mistake. Should they be punished for caring about America so. damn. much? That is where we are at. that is why these abuses are being hidden, protected. because way to many people were involved, and those involved thought they were doing the right thing.

They don't realize the only Hitler in this equation was each and every one of them.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (fftfA)

270 Should a man sent back in time to kill baby Hitler be punished? Why, if we all only knew what he knew, coming from the future! he did us all a huge favor! All we see is the poor, dead baby with a little mustache. We should see him as a hero! It is a terrible injustice that he was caught and punished!

THAT is how Comey et al see themselves. That is why they did what they did. That is why Comey takes picture of himself starring into the distance at lady liberty. That is why they lie.

They don't recognize how terrible what they did actually is. How they are exactly what they fear most. At best, a few, might think they made an honest mistake. The rest feel like fucking heroes! Heroes don't lose their jobs! Heroes don't get demoted! Heroes ...gulp...don't go to jail! They get statues and parades...

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (fftfA)

271 So, the path to redemption is simple. Explain to them how what they did was a gross injustice to our society. An abuse of powers. And that even Hitler was not worth that. Explain to them how the correct thing to do, the noble path, is to admit and explain what they did and why. Cincinnatus and Washington went back to the plow. Heroes sacrifice. they don't hide, and lie, and snivel....and they don't fall on their sword for those that do.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (fftfA)

272 Now the election is over. they realize they failed. Worse, some may even have an inkling that Trump is not Hitler. But they are good people. they made an honest mistake. Should they be punished for caring about America so. damn. much? That is where we are at. that is why these abuses are being hidden, protected. because way to many people were involved, and those involved thought they were doing the right thing.

They don't realize the only Hitler in this equation was each and every one of them.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (fftfA)

Not too many of them, just a small matter of logistics.
I used to have some CDs with canned plans from 20 years ago when I was an Army engineer. A POW camp for 10,000 was among them, with option for cold climate. Modular design, can be built from a small core and just keep adding sectors. Do the whole thing in months while filling up the place.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 07:36 PM (Eu5eZ)

273 129
How about using an IP (ooma, etc.) and setting your number as any
foreign country code, maybe even because you did set it up while in,
say, England. Then you plug the phone into any data jack, say in
Quantico because IP phone don't care where you plug in, and it show as a
call from a foreign phone number.

You can call the guy in the cubicle next to you and say, "DJT dirka dirka jihad, Russians"

Dirka dirka and DJT can be tapped?

______________________________________

Any knucklehead with a cisco switch can do that in 12 seconds

Posted by: fox at December 15, 2017 09:14 PM (3s9iz)

274 I guess every Obama conversation can be tapped until he coughs up a Not Born In Kenya To A Drunken Legless Deadbeat Daddy Certificate

Posted by: x at December 18, 2017 06:59 AM (nFwvY)

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