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Weekend Gun Thread
Would you like to own a US Army surplus 1911? Good luck with that. h/t redc1c4
Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until a substantial number have been inspected, estimated to take 150 days post receipt, according to the website. Potential purchasers must provide CMP with a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) Proof of U.S. citizenship. 2) Proof of membership in a CMP-affiliated club. 3) Proof of participation in a marksmanship activity. 4) A new form 2A with notary. 5) A signed copy of the 01, 02, 07 Federal Firearms License to which the 1911 will be transferred. These are "store front" FFLs. A NICS background check will be performed by the CMP to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the "storefront" FFL licensed dealer, according to the website. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the dealer.
The Gun Thread's guess? The CMP will be pretty proud of those pistols when the price tags go on them.
Why hire an arborist when you can do it yourself?
A smart military blog keeps an eye open for all military equipment. Russia is busy developing new invisible garments.
Russia has used the Syrian conflict as a way to test military technology and new ideas for combat equipment. In essence, the Kremlin has structured the entire campaign to act as a massive infomercial for Russian arms manufacturers. Several countries have ordered new Russian hardware after seeing its performance in the Syrian theater.
The badly named New York SAFE Act continues to make the life of the state’s law-abiding gun owners difficult. Residents who are deemed worthy of a pistol permit – permission to own in their homes, to carry to hunting or target shooting, or carry generally, depending on the good graces of law enforcement – that were issued prior to January 2013 must get them renewed or risk having their weapons confiscated. Governor Cuomo believes that “when they write the history books they’re going to say, ‘New York got it right,’” whoever “they” might be – perhaps he is preparing copy for the Ministry of Truth. The state legislature predictably placed the burden of getting the word out on county law enforcement agencies, and those people who live in New York City or surrounding counties can’t use the state police website to renew.
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Uncle Joe!
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 17, 2017 12:07 PM (/qEW2)
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Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 17, 2017 12:07 PM (/qEW2)
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Strike one!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 12:08 PM (oVJmc)
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AOSHQ is quite strikethrough striking this morning!
Posted by: Hands at December 17, 2017 12:08 PM (EzdLW)
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Crossed over the line.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 17, 2017 12:09 PM (+8Yuj)
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Requiring proof of US citizenship to purchase a M1911 pistol from the US government is
~ pRoBlEmAtIc ~
~ pRoBlEmAtIc ~
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 12:11 PM (y87Qq)
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AoSHQ Prayer List
rickl- Lung cancer.
redc1c4- General Health. Would like to be healthy enough to look for a j*b.
Abby- Father has passed. Children have ex-communicated.
Carol- Her Brother's eventual passing.
kbdabear- Mother's dementia.
CaliGirl- Mom's boyfriend Arthur has cancer.
Hrothgar- Lost Son in accident.
Ritabootoo- Passed Friday, December 8th. Prayers for Family and Friends. Frequenter of the Pet Thread and our beloved friend.
Fenelon Spoke- Healing for my son and ability to pay healthcare bills.
RedMindBlueState- Cousin Agnes, who's too weak for the heart surgery she needs, and whose condition is deteriorating rapidly.
Dr. Strangepork- Friend may have had a stroke.
Bebe's boobs destroy- Former co-worker's four year-old has cancer.
Mindful webworker- Wife's health due to longstanding issues.
ibguy- Sister's brain cancer, (gioblastoma).
pookysgirl- Husband's suicide attempt and mental health.
Jade Sea- Husband's cancer
Moron Pundit- Father-in-law's heart surgery.
junior- Employment
Duke Lowell- Son in need of healing.
Miley- Future employment, big move, Mother's cellulitis of leg.
Captain Whitebread- Mother's health and stable employment.
Jinx- Mother's passing.
Emmie- Continued relationship with Daughter.
Vic- Return of cancer.
ReneeTX- Terminal brain cancer.
Booknlass- Relationship with Daughter.
Just wondering- Sister, Lisa, has a brain tumor.
Christopher Taylor- Health and depression.
Lin-duh fell- My FIL passed away 9/27/17. Could use the prayers for my husband finding a job.
Blacksheep- Stage 2 prostate cancer.
Weirddave and Gingy- Gingy's father passing away.
Alexthechick- Father's dementia.
Molly K- Niece killed by elderly driver.
Donna V- Bills to be paid and an alcoholic Brother.
Gushka- Infection after being bitten by her horse. Her friends' mental health after returning from battle.
TonyPete- Friends' terminal diagnosis, Wife's, (Renee), terminal illness.
bergerbuilder- Multiple strokes, out of hospital at end of September.
Chi- Friend's passing, (Lewis), after battle with cancer.
huerfano- Father's recovery from heart failure.
The Oort Cloud- Thalassemia, genetic blood disorder, complicated my hemolytic anemia. "Given" two years by doctor.
Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing- Job issues.
Hopped up on Something- Immediate Family member with cancer. Bone pain without opioids, Hospital Policy.
Publius- Father's health. Rheumatoid arthritis, severe pain during flare-ups. Stamina, in general.
Cannibal Bob- Two brothers in law. 1. Brain tumor hospice soon.
2. Just diagnosed cancer around heart and in aorta. Biopsy taken. Stage 3.
3. Cousin just completed 5 rounds of chemo for cancer in abdomen. Reoccurance from many years ago.
Insomniac- 1) That my autoimmune disorder will stay under control. 2) That the work situation I have will continue to come together and grow.
Oregon Muse- Shoulder replacement and recovery.
Slapweasel- Father's dementia and Mother's attitude.
Jane D'oh- My husband's elderly aunt, (89), who was admitted to the hospital 11/20/17 with pneumonia. She has COPD, is a lung cancer survivor. Jane broke her foot, prayer for resolve and healing.
USNtakim- My MIL, (73), is going in for surgery 11/22/17 for bowel re-sectioning. Please pray for her and her family.
Iron Mike Golf- My grandsons. Safety and peace for them.
Cheri- Lost Son, (21), in February to hiking accident.
Teresa in Ft. Worth- Lost Daughter, (26) to suicide on September 7th.
Alf767- Employment. 60 y.o. ex-pilot in aviation industry.
Backwards Boy- B'Gal has Congestive heart failure, COPD, scleroderma and arthritis.
Northernlurker- Money issues, does NOT want to dip into investments.
Dang- Esophageal cancer. Starting radiation and chemo week of 11/26/17.
westminsterdogshow- Best friend's Mom, Marge suffered a seizure/stroke. 12/1/17.
Methos- (12/12/17) Mother has Alzheimers and friend Herb died shortly before Thanksgiving, leaving a wife with unspecified memory issues and three adult children.
LCMS Rulz!- (12/12/17) 1) Advancing dementia in my Mother-in-Law: we're going to have to move her all-too-soon;
2) Praise and Glory be for the near simultaneous cancer healings among three of my in-laws.
Michael the Texan- (12/12/17) Difficult divorce from longtime physically abusive wife. Please pray for my wife, too, as this divorce will leave her with much less financial freedom.
Elisabeth- (12/12/17) Chronic stress from my perpetually low income is worsening my known autoimmune problems and probably some that haven't yet been diagnosed, and I've just started my fifth course of antibiotics for a recurrent sinus infection and nothing I've tried to improve my income situation (finding a better job, asking for a raise, selling my work, finding cheaper housing) has worked. Plus, I need new glasses but can't afford the eye exam.
Redinabluestate- (12/12/17) Prostate cancer.
Physics Geek- (12/12/17) Both my mother and stepdad (divorced and not together) are suffering from dementia, with my stepfather's case being somewhat further along.
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Please contact me through email, as I cannot be around for many of the posts in threads. Feel free to copy and paste emails to me for Prayer Requests.
If I can post in your "voice", I'd like it better. It personalizes the prayer, instead of my shorthand.
I'd also like to pray for the people who aren't on this list. For those who don't choose to publicize their maladies, I understand. You won't suffer in silence. A candle will be lit in your name.
Through the arguments and the infighting, we all love one-another. Through our faults and occasional vitriol, we have found one-another. The beauty of such an occasion goes beyond words and into the ethereal plane of existence.
Please remember the Prayer of St. Francis:
http://www.prayerguide.org.uk/stfrancis.htm
I have started adding dates to the Prayer List, so as to keep The Horde abreast of current and ongoing situations.
As always... corrections, additions and updates can be sent to:
home made gravy 71 (all one word) at the hooYa dot com. Link is in the Sig/Sock/Nic.
Be as specific or as vague as you need. Anonymity is, of course, welcome.
Let us console others, O Lord.
-This list will be posted every Sunday, as close to Noon as possible.
The Black Crowes, Sometimes Salvation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOi4Mh_rmWo
rickl- Lung cancer.
redc1c4- General Health. Would like to be healthy enough to look for a j*b.
Abby- Father has passed. Children have ex-communicated.
Carol- Her Brother's eventual passing.
kbdabear- Mother's dementia.
CaliGirl- Mom's boyfriend Arthur has cancer.
Hrothgar- Lost Son in accident.
Ritabootoo- Passed Friday, December 8th. Prayers for Family and Friends. Frequenter of the Pet Thread and our beloved friend.
Fenelon Spoke- Healing for my son and ability to pay healthcare bills.
RedMindBlueState- Cousin Agnes, who's too weak for the heart surgery she needs, and whose condition is deteriorating rapidly.
Dr. Strangepork- Friend may have had a stroke.
Bebe's boobs destroy- Former co-worker's four year-old has cancer.
Mindful webworker- Wife's health due to longstanding issues.
ibguy- Sister's brain cancer, (gioblastoma).
pookysgirl- Husband's suicide attempt and mental health.
Jade Sea- Husband's cancer
Moron Pundit- Father-in-law's heart surgery.
junior- Employment
Duke Lowell- Son in need of healing.
Miley- Future employment, big move, Mother's cellulitis of leg.
Captain Whitebread- Mother's health and stable employment.
Jinx- Mother's passing.
Emmie- Continued relationship with Daughter.
Vic- Return of cancer.
ReneeTX- Terminal brain cancer.
Booknlass- Relationship with Daughter.
Just wondering- Sister, Lisa, has a brain tumor.
Christopher Taylor- Health and depression.
Lin-duh fell- My FIL passed away 9/27/17. Could use the prayers for my husband finding a job.
Blacksheep- Stage 2 prostate cancer.
Weirddave and Gingy- Gingy's father passing away.
Alexthechick- Father's dementia.
Molly K- Niece killed by elderly driver.
Donna V- Bills to be paid and an alcoholic Brother.
Gushka- Infection after being bitten by her horse. Her friends' mental health after returning from battle.
TonyPete- Friends' terminal diagnosis, Wife's, (Renee), terminal illness.
bergerbuilder- Multiple strokes, out of hospital at end of September.
Chi- Friend's passing, (Lewis), after battle with cancer.
huerfano- Father's recovery from heart failure.
The Oort Cloud- Thalassemia, genetic blood disorder, complicated my hemolytic anemia. "Given" two years by doctor.
Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing- Job issues.
Hopped up on Something- Immediate Family member with cancer. Bone pain without opioids, Hospital Policy.
Publius- Father's health. Rheumatoid arthritis, severe pain during flare-ups. Stamina, in general.
Cannibal Bob- Two brothers in law. 1. Brain tumor hospice soon.
2. Just diagnosed cancer around heart and in aorta. Biopsy taken. Stage 3.
3. Cousin just completed 5 rounds of chemo for cancer in abdomen. Reoccurance from many years ago.
Insomniac- 1) That my autoimmune disorder will stay under control. 2) That the work situation I have will continue to come together and grow.
Oregon Muse- Shoulder replacement and recovery.
Slapweasel- Father's dementia and Mother's attitude.
Jane D'oh- My husband's elderly aunt, (89), who was admitted to the hospital 11/20/17 with pneumonia. She has COPD, is a lung cancer survivor. Jane broke her foot, prayer for resolve and healing.
USNtakim- My MIL, (73), is going in for surgery 11/22/17 for bowel re-sectioning. Please pray for her and her family.
Iron Mike Golf- My grandsons. Safety and peace for them.
Cheri- Lost Son, (21), in February to hiking accident.
Teresa in Ft. Worth- Lost Daughter, (26) to suicide on September 7th.
Alf767- Employment. 60 y.o. ex-pilot in aviation industry.
Backwards Boy- B'Gal has Congestive heart failure, COPD, scleroderma and arthritis.
Northernlurker- Money issues, does NOT want to dip into investments.
Dang- Esophageal cancer. Starting radiation and chemo week of 11/26/17.
westminsterdogshow- Best friend's Mom, Marge suffered a seizure/stroke. 12/1/17.
Methos- (12/12/17) Mother has Alzheimers and friend Herb died shortly before Thanksgiving, leaving a wife with unspecified memory issues and three adult children.
LCMS Rulz!- (12/12/17) 1) Advancing dementia in my Mother-in-Law: we're going to have to move her all-too-soon;
2) Praise and Glory be for the near simultaneous cancer healings among three of my in-laws.
Michael the Texan- (12/12/17) Difficult divorce from longtime physically abusive wife. Please pray for my wife, too, as this divorce will leave her with much less financial freedom.
Elisabeth- (12/12/17) Chronic stress from my perpetually low income is worsening my known autoimmune problems and probably some that haven't yet been diagnosed, and I've just started my fifth course of antibiotics for a recurrent sinus infection and nothing I've tried to improve my income situation (finding a better job, asking for a raise, selling my work, finding cheaper housing) has worked. Plus, I need new glasses but can't afford the eye exam.
Redinabluestate- (12/12/17) Prostate cancer.
Physics Geek- (12/12/17) Both my mother and stepdad (divorced and not together) are suffering from dementia, with my stepfather's case being somewhat further along.
------------
Please contact me through email, as I cannot be around for many of the posts in threads. Feel free to copy and paste emails to me for Prayer Requests.
If I can post in your "voice", I'd like it better. It personalizes the prayer, instead of my shorthand.
I'd also like to pray for the people who aren't on this list. For those who don't choose to publicize their maladies, I understand. You won't suffer in silence. A candle will be lit in your name.
Through the arguments and the infighting, we all love one-another. Through our faults and occasional vitriol, we have found one-another. The beauty of such an occasion goes beyond words and into the ethereal plane of existence.
Please remember the Prayer of St. Francis:
http://www.prayerguide.org.uk/stfrancis.htm
I have started adding dates to the Prayer List, so as to keep The Horde abreast of current and ongoing situations.
As always... corrections, additions and updates can be sent to:
home made gravy 71 (all one word) at the hooYa dot com. Link is in the Sig/Sock/Nic.
Be as specific or as vague as you need. Anonymity is, of course, welcome.
Let us console others, O Lord.
-This list will be posted every Sunday, as close to Noon as possible.
The Black Crowes, Sometimes Salvation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOi4Mh_rmWo
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 12:12 PM (Ckg4U)
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They told me if Net Neutrality were struck down, the whole Interwebs would be stricken... and they were right!
Posted by: Hands at December 17, 2017 12:12 PM (EzdLW)
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session's one of those southern men who try real hard to shed the heart of dixie taint
never liked him
never liked him
Posted by: azalea city,escapee) at December 17, 2017 12:13 PM (WX+x0)
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test
Posted by: Hands at December 17, 2017 12:13 PM (EzdLW)
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There is nothing new in those CMP rules. Same regs as for buying anything else through them.
Posted by: Stringer Davis ]/b] at December 17, 2017 12:17 PM (H5rtT)
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So hungry for cob-loggers.
Posted by: The Barrel at December 17, 2017 12:18 PM (toi7g)
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There is nothing new in those CMP rules. Same regs as for buying anything else through them.
Posted by: Stringer Davis ]/b] at December 17, 2017 12:17 PM (H5rtT)
I think the storefront FFL requirement is new, probably because pistol. Didn't CMP always ship right to your door?
Posted by: Stringer Davis ]/b] at December 17, 2017 12:17 PM (H5rtT)
I think the storefront FFL requirement is new, probably because pistol. Didn't CMP always ship right to your door?
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 12:19 PM (y87Qq)
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"Dixie Taint!" wbagnfarb.
And a reminder, the CMP is the "brainchild" and only major legislative contribution of Congresswoman Marcy "What Are You Wearing?/Cleavage to The Floor" Kaptur, OH-09.
So don't expect miracles. They have some good employees, though.
And a reminder, the CMP is the "brainchild" and only major legislative contribution of Congresswoman Marcy "What Are You Wearing?/Cleavage to The Floor" Kaptur, OH-09.
So don't expect miracles. They have some good employees, though.
Posted by: Stringer Davis ]/b] at December 17, 2017 12:19 PM (H5rtT)
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Gun thread! Thanks MisHum. First one I haven't missed due to, well, having gone shooting at the time (at least 3 of the last 4, that was the case).
CMP. The requirements for the 1911 purchase have, I think, only one additional item over what has always been required to purchase guns from them. Due to it being a handgun, I think. And the requirements are easy to meet, as I tirelessly tell people who shoot my Garand at the range and (invariably) say "gee, love this, I should get one!".
And CMP usually leaves quite a bit of money on the table, at least with their Garands, in major markets. As in, you get even a little bit lucky with a CMP Service Grade M-1 (USGI wood, metal in fine shape) in a market like CA, it's worth $200-400 more the day it arrives than you paid for it.
So I wouldn't assume CMP will be asking an unreasonable price.
CMP. The requirements for the 1911 purchase have, I think, only one additional item over what has always been required to purchase guns from them. Due to it being a handgun, I think. And the requirements are easy to meet, as I tirelessly tell people who shoot my Garand at the range and (invariably) say "gee, love this, I should get one!".
And CMP usually leaves quite a bit of money on the table, at least with their Garands, in major markets. As in, you get even a little bit lucky with a CMP Service Grade M-1 (USGI wood, metal in fine shape) in a market like CA, it's worth $200-400 more the day it arrives than you paid for it.
So I wouldn't assume CMP will be asking an unreasonable price.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:20 PM (uyrlv)
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Let the panic buying of ammo in commiefornia begin!
Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at December 17, 2017 12:20 PM (6Ufv6)
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I don't need a surplus 1911 .45. I used to have a colt .45 small model like this before the horrible canoe accident. I think they called it the "officer's model". It would fit in my back pocket or a jacket pocket if I was wearing a jacket. Getting a 1911 would be nice, but it ain't worth the effort.
http://tinyurl.com/y9xvzkfa
http://tinyurl.com/y9xvzkfa
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 12:20 PM (mpXpK)
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Most of the people in the video are truly idiots, though I make an exception for a) the guy who experienced catastrophic weapon failure (unless he used a reload that was too hot) and b) the guys firing the .577 T-Rex who, if I recall the context of the video correctly, had no idea how insane the recoil was going to be.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:21 PM (NWiLs)
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MisHum, the whole blog is struck-through up above the fold.
Needs a close-tag.
Needs a close-tag.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 12:22 PM (XvTYo)
Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 17, 2017 12:22 PM (ajiE5)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2017 12:22 PM (jfuOT)
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Canoe canoe?
Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at December 17, 2017 12:23 PM (6Ufv6)
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Okay, you fixed it while I was typing that ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 17, 2017 12:23 PM (XvTYo)
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It's good that a commenter's end-tag can undo a cob's error here, but it doesn't fix the front page. Maybe it means everything after the gun thread is now old news and void? [Already fixed, I see. Never mind.]
Good morning, Morons. Milady and I are off to the Nutcracker again this afternoon. Just can't get enough high culture. Daughter is dancing as a snowflake... heh. Not the hyperreactive meltdown type.
Funny thing about being in crowds nowadays. As I sat there last night, I thought (not for the first time) how even here in Middleville, one could see some terrorist nut interrupting a mass event. (Checks the exits, cringes in concern.) The greater threat, by far, though, is our relatively peaceful fellow citizens - the hacking and coughing sounded at times like a danged TB ward in there, including the woman right behind me. YAAARGH! Quit breathing!
Seems like an appropriate place for this salutation:
Keep calm and carry.
Good morning, Morons. Milady and I are off to the Nutcracker again this afternoon. Just can't get enough high culture. Daughter is dancing as a snowflake... heh. Not the hyperreactive meltdown type.
Funny thing about being in crowds nowadays. As I sat there last night, I thought (not for the first time) how even here in Middleville, one could see some terrorist nut interrupting a mass event. (Checks the exits, cringes in concern.) The greater threat, by far, though, is our relatively peaceful fellow citizens - the hacking and coughing sounded at times like a danged TB ward in there, including the woman right behind me. YAAARGH! Quit breathing!
Seems like an appropriate place for this salutation:
Keep calm and carry.
Posted by: mindful webworker's culture report at December 17, 2017 12:24 PM (I9SqL)
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You forgot to sign off the line which is through everything.
Posted by: jwpaine at December 17, 2017 12:25 PM (S2jJz)
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18 Most of the people in the video are truly idiots, though I make an exception for a) the guy who experienced catastrophic weapon failure (unless he used a reload that was too hot) and b) the guys firing the .577 T-Rex who, if I recall the context of the video correctly, had no idea how insane the recoil was going to be.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:21 PM (NWiLs)
My husband thinks there's something wrong with me for watching that video. I'm making loud inhale noises. I showed him what I was watching. He told me I'm sick and those people are stupid.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:21 PM (NWiLs)
My husband thinks there's something wrong with me for watching that video. I'm making loud inhale noises. I showed him what I was watching. He told me I'm sick and those people are stupid.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 12:25 PM (Ri/rl)
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O Christ. CMP shipping. They used to use Registered Mail USPS, which had a heavy paper trail. I personally knew the registry clerk who rejoiced when the Post Office lost the contract, because she could just barely stand to log in boxes she was sure contained weapons of war. When the registered volume went down, she lost her bid. One smiled, inwardly and quietly.
Well OK, handguns have different shipping rules everywhere, compared to long guns. I can't see the local FFL requirement as particularly onerous. If you make any gun deal on electronic media, or buy from Sportsman's Guide, you have the same set-up. Sadly for us, the one local FFL who would receive those for us without an extra charge decided to retire.
Well OK, handguns have different shipping rules everywhere, compared to long guns. I can't see the local FFL requirement as particularly onerous. If you make any gun deal on electronic media, or buy from Sportsman's Guide, you have the same set-up. Sadly for us, the one local FFL who would receive those for us without an extra charge decided to retire.
Posted by: Stringer Davis ]/b] at December 17, 2017 12:26 PM (H5rtT)
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I see Stringer and hogmartin already covered the CMP requirements thing. And delivery to your door depends on your state, not CMP. CA, for example, until 2 years ago, had direct delivery for C and R rifles, that's how my M-1s arrived.
Brown truck of happiness. Excitement of a kid's Christmas morning - for adults. Got my Mosins that way too, ended up turning the driver on to them (I'd bring him in the garage and open the boxes, he couldn't believe such things cost around $100, so he started buying them too).
CA is rapidly going downhill to the extent of NY or NJ or CT. Expect the coming years to have numerous onerous ridiculous new laws making things just as bad here. A new ammo law taking effect in two weeks will massively complicate or increase the cost of simply buying ammo - as usual, not a scintilla of even theoretical benefit to public safety, massive unconstitutional burdening of a right, massive interference with inter-state commerce, etc.
And since Heller was over-turned by lower courts, and the 2A is comically ignored by "courts" addressing "rights", it'll take a small miracle for this to change.
Brown truck of happiness. Excitement of a kid's Christmas morning - for adults. Got my Mosins that way too, ended up turning the driver on to them (I'd bring him in the garage and open the boxes, he couldn't believe such things cost around $100, so he started buying them too).
CA is rapidly going downhill to the extent of NY or NJ or CT. Expect the coming years to have numerous onerous ridiculous new laws making things just as bad here. A new ammo law taking effect in two weeks will massively complicate or increase the cost of simply buying ammo - as usual, not a scintilla of even theoretical benefit to public safety, massive unconstitutional burdening of a right, massive interference with inter-state commerce, etc.
And since Heller was over-turned by lower courts, and the 2A is comically ignored by "courts" addressing "rights", it'll take a small miracle for this to change.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:27 PM (uyrlv)
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..."In case you're lurking, I just sent you an update to the prayer list."
-Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2017 12:22 PM (jfuOT)
Got it and here it is...
"RedMindBlueState- Cousin Agnes has passed. If you could add her husband Mel, who has Parkinson's and moved into assisted living now without his wife, to the list, I'd appreciate it."
-Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2017 12:22 PM (jfuOT)
Got it and here it is...
"RedMindBlueState- Cousin Agnes has passed. If you could add her husband Mel, who has Parkinson's and moved into assisted living now without his wife, to the list, I'd appreciate it."
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 12:27 PM (Ckg4U)
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My husband thinks there's something wrong with me for watching that video. I'm making loud inhale noises. I showed him what I was watching. He told me I'm sick and those people are stupid.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 12:25 PM (Ri/rl)
Well...he's not wrong.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 12:25 PM (Ri/rl)
Well...he's not wrong.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:27 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 12:27 PM (Ri/rl)
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Nice 1911
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 12:27 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Mork from Ork at December 17, 2017 12:27 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: MAC SOG at December 17, 2017 12:28 PM (czkHE)
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Thanks for doing this, Slap.
Posted by: stace at December 17, 2017 12:28 PM (6HFDU)
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The Russian article is interesting - a thermal cloaking uniform. Only problem I see is that it probably gets pretty hot inside, especially if the campaign is in someplace like the Middle East.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 17, 2017 12:28 PM (/qEW2)
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You're all very welcome. I was surprised that it wasn't done earlier.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 12:29 PM (Ckg4U)
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Gun thread! Thanks MisHum. First one I haven't missed due to, well, having gone shooting at the time (at least 3 of the last 4, that was the case).
CMP. The requirements for the 1911 purchase have, I think, only one additional item over what has always been required to purchase guns from them. Due to it being a handgun, I think. And the requirements are easy to meet, as I tirelessly tell people who shoot my Garand at the range and (invariably) say "gee, love this, I should get one!".
And CMP usually leaves quite a bit of money on the table, at least with their Garands, in major markets. As in, you get even a little bit lucky with a CMP Service Grade M-1 (USGI wood, metal in fine shape) in a market like CA, it's worth $200-400 more the day it arrives than you paid for it.
So I wouldn't assume CMP will be asking an unreasonable price.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:20 PM (uyrlv)
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I think they're trying to keep the prices reasonable. Unfortunately, they're out of Garands, so if I want one I gotta pay about 1500 for a standard worn rack grade gun. At that price I'd rather get a AG42 or a SVT 40. I already have a few Mosins.
CMP. The requirements for the 1911 purchase have, I think, only one additional item over what has always been required to purchase guns from them. Due to it being a handgun, I think. And the requirements are easy to meet, as I tirelessly tell people who shoot my Garand at the range and (invariably) say "gee, love this, I should get one!".
And CMP usually leaves quite a bit of money on the table, at least with their Garands, in major markets. As in, you get even a little bit lucky with a CMP Service Grade M-1 (USGI wood, metal in fine shape) in a market like CA, it's worth $200-400 more the day it arrives than you paid for it.
So I wouldn't assume CMP will be asking an unreasonable price.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:20 PM (uyrlv)
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I think they're trying to keep the prices reasonable. Unfortunately, they're out of Garands, so if I want one I gotta pay about 1500 for a standard worn rack grade gun. At that price I'd rather get a AG42 or a SVT 40. I already have a few Mosins.
Posted by: Jackal at December 17, 2017 12:30 PM (yhwm0)
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Many a dictator would be proud of Cuomo
And his Leftist voting base will keep voting for him
And his Leftist voting base will keep voting for him
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 12:31 PM (aC6Sd)
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Most of the people in those videos got into trouble because they were more concerned with making a video than gun safety (or were in the hands of someone doing that).
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 12:32 PM (oVJmc)
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Whatever sickness CaliGirl has, we all wish it was "catching."
Here would be a fun one: The short 1911 was the Officer's model, implying I guess that officers would fire at shorter range, being up front and all. Lugers and Broomhandles came in a long-barrel Artillery version, because they needed several miles more range. And before carbines, there were Tanker M-1's and Smellies, because duh turrets are short in one direction.
What other special version names are ironic, sardonic, or lacedemonian?
"Bunt Line"?
Here would be a fun one: The short 1911 was the Officer's model, implying I guess that officers would fire at shorter range, being up front and all. Lugers and Broomhandles came in a long-barrel Artillery version, because they needed several miles more range. And before carbines, there were Tanker M-1's and Smellies, because duh turrets are short in one direction.
What other special version names are ironic, sardonic, or lacedemonian?
"Bunt Line"?
Posted by: Stringer Davis ]/b] at December 17, 2017 12:32 PM (H5rtT)
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Thanks, Slap.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2017 12:33 PM (jfuOT)
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U N wants to stop US from choosing where we put embassy in Israel.
Posted by: MAC SOG at December 17, 2017 12:28 PM (czkHE)
Link (Reuters):
https://tinyurl.com/y96d92p7
"Trump abruptly reversed decades of U.S. policy this month when he recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital, generating outrage from Palestinians."
Trump ENACTED US policy that had been in place for decades and ignored, you useless schmucks.
Posted by: MAC SOG at December 17, 2017 12:28 PM (czkHE)
Link (Reuters):
https://tinyurl.com/y96d92p7
"Trump abruptly reversed decades of U.S. policy this month when he recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital, generating outrage from Palestinians."
Trump ENACTED US policy that had been in place for decades and ignored, you useless schmucks.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 12:34 PM (y87Qq)
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40 Most of the people in those videos got into trouble because they were more concerned with making a video than gun safety (or were in the hands of someone doing that).
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 12:32 PM (oVJmc)
In large part, yes. One thing that bugs the hell out of me is when someone who clearly has no safety training and no firearms experience is egged on to shoot a gun there's no way they can handle. The people who do that and think it's funny need to be throatpunched.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 12:32 PM (oVJmc)
In large part, yes. One thing that bugs the hell out of me is when someone who clearly has no safety training and no firearms experience is egged on to shoot a gun there's no way they can handle. The people who do that and think it's funny need to be throatpunched.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:35 PM (NWiLs)
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"Let the panic buying of ammo in commiefornia begin!"
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Planned buying for moi. Since June.
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Planned buying for moi. Since June.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 17, 2017 12:35 PM (3BFzK)
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Best thing about Slapweasel's Prayer List:
When you can drop the note that says "Thanks. All Better Now."
When you can drop the note that says "Thanks. All Better Now."
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 17, 2017 12:37 PM (H5rtT)
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Governor Cuomo believes that "when they write the history books they're going to say, 'New York got it right,'"
Sounds better in the original German.
Sounds better in the original German.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:37 PM (NWiLs)
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Could not watch that Stupid People With Guns video all the way through. Not even with the sound off.
Posted by: m at December 17, 2017 12:39 PM (sVFZk)
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Jackal - as much as it pains me to point this out (and I'm surprise at some of it), CMP is not out of Garands.
Their site right now shows both field grade and service grade rifles available.
And that's not all. Winchesters, and IHCs (!). One per customer, for those.
I'm "done" with buying M-1s, officially, as I don't really need more, and am much more a shooter than collector. But dang. Wincesters for $930, IHCs for just over $1K, service grades for $730?
Possibly one of the best, and easiest, collectible investment opportunities going for several years now has been M-1 collecting. The better examples represent a decent return the minute you open the box. 10 years from now? Could be something.
Their site right now shows both field grade and service grade rifles available.
And that's not all. Winchesters, and IHCs (!). One per customer, for those.
I'm "done" with buying M-1s, officially, as I don't really need more, and am much more a shooter than collector. But dang. Wincesters for $930, IHCs for just over $1K, service grades for $730?
Possibly one of the best, and easiest, collectible investment opportunities going for several years now has been M-1 collecting. The better examples represent a decent return the minute you open the box. 10 years from now? Could be something.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:40 PM (uyrlv)
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Morning, y'all!
Well, managed to put a few more rounds downrange w/the "black friday deal" Taurus G2 in 9mm.
This thing is a fine little sidearm, no two ways about it. Did require a good deal of cleaning from new, and then cleaned again after first use, but now...
It's as accurate as I am, no issues whatsoever, and seems to be well stapled together. If you're in the market for a 9, give it a try.
Well, managed to put a few more rounds downrange w/the "black friday deal" Taurus G2 in 9mm.
This thing is a fine little sidearm, no two ways about it. Did require a good deal of cleaning from new, and then cleaned again after first use, but now...
It's as accurate as I am, no issues whatsoever, and seems to be well stapled together. If you're in the market for a 9, give it a try.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 12:41 PM (MINbv)
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Wow sitting in a cafe at a jewelry show. Hipster dude talking to older guy maybe his dad. He is very CONCERNED about how things are going.
He says for anything to change "a lot of people are going to have to die".
I am guessing this guy doesn't have much ammo on hand. I am thinking I need more.
Schlichter seems unfortunately right.
He says for anything to change "a lot of people are going to have to die".
I am guessing this guy doesn't have much ammo on hand. I am thinking I need more.
Schlichter seems unfortunately right.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2017 12:44 PM (GLtAj)
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Most of the people in those videos got into trouble because they were more concerned with making a video than gun safety (or were in the hands of someone doing that).
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 12:32 PM (oVJmc)
In large part, yes. One thing that bugs the hell out of me is when someone who clearly has no safety training and no firearms experience is egged on to shoot a gun there's no way they can handle. The people who do that and think it's funny need to be throatpunched.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:35 PM (NWiLs)
Exactly, the "here little lady, shoot this" videos are sadistic.
Don't tell me those guys didn't expect a reaction, and when it smashes into their faces, maybe they didn't expect it to be THAT bad, but they knew it was going to be something. Or else they wouldn't be filming. And they wouldn't be allowing such bad form to be used.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 17, 2017 12:32 PM (oVJmc)
In large part, yes. One thing that bugs the hell out of me is when someone who clearly has no safety training and no firearms experience is egged on to shoot a gun there's no way they can handle. The people who do that and think it's funny need to be throatpunched.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:35 PM (NWiLs)
Exactly, the "here little lady, shoot this" videos are sadistic.
Don't tell me those guys didn't expect a reaction, and when it smashes into their faces, maybe they didn't expect it to be THAT bad, but they knew it was going to be something. Or else they wouldn't be filming. And they wouldn't be allowing such bad form to be used.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 12:44 PM (Pz4pT)
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Jukin, you'd be amazed (or maybe not) at how many CA shooters remain unaware of the implications of the new law.
To start with, the outrage here is not "ignorance," but lawless unconstitutional harassment of a segment of the citizenry, who almost have to monitor new laws as they would a stock ticker, for updates. Ridiculous.
But given that, kinda remarkable how many shooters appear not to understand that in 2 weeks ("2 weeks!"), when they go to order their next case of .223 online - ooops, no can do.
That is, without a C and R license, and COE fingerprinting. And of course it's still not clear how many online vendors will do the smart thing and set up a simple system to accommodate those in CA who do jump through the hoops.
But those "loopholes" are possibly a legal killer. Not a "ban" - just a massive, indefensible infringement that dramatically drives up consumer costs for no reason.
If I had any regard for the US judicial system I'd expect the ammo law would fall to both inter-state commerce and 2A "burdening" arguments, easily. But I have yet to see any sign the usual suspects are going to launch lawsuits, anyway. They may be exercising tactical discretion, guess we'll see.
To start with, the outrage here is not "ignorance," but lawless unconstitutional harassment of a segment of the citizenry, who almost have to monitor new laws as they would a stock ticker, for updates. Ridiculous.
But given that, kinda remarkable how many shooters appear not to understand that in 2 weeks ("2 weeks!"), when they go to order their next case of .223 online - ooops, no can do.
That is, without a C and R license, and COE fingerprinting. And of course it's still not clear how many online vendors will do the smart thing and set up a simple system to accommodate those in CA who do jump through the hoops.
But those "loopholes" are possibly a legal killer. Not a "ban" - just a massive, indefensible infringement that dramatically drives up consumer costs for no reason.
If I had any regard for the US judicial system I'd expect the ammo law would fall to both inter-state commerce and 2A "burdening" arguments, easily. But I have yet to see any sign the usual suspects are going to launch lawsuits, anyway. They may be exercising tactical discretion, guess we'll see.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:46 PM (uyrlv)
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And then you get the people who should know better, and end up shooting themselves. That's not funny either. It makes the rest of us look bad.
Thanks jagoff, for adding a whole room full of school kids to the gun ban camp.
Thanks jagoff, for adding a whole room full of school kids to the gun ban camp.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 12:47 PM (Pz4pT)
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Cuomo also totally lied about the reciprocity bill. I know, cue the shocked faces.
In MA you need a permit to buy ammo. Again, no effect on criminals.
In MA you need a permit to buy ammo. Again, no effect on criminals.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 12:48 PM (hXu8T)
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54 And then you get the people who should know better, and end up shooting themselves. That's not funny either. It makes the rest of us look bad.
Thanks jagoff, for adding a whole room full of school kids to the gun ban camp.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 12:47 PM (Pz4pT)
Yeah, that too.
Thanks jagoff, for adding a whole room full of school kids to the gun ban camp.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 12:47 PM (Pz4pT)
Yeah, that too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:50 PM (NWiLs)
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49 Jackal - as much as it pains me to point this out (and I'm surprise at some of it), CMP is not out of Garands.
Their site right now shows both field grade and service grade rifles available.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:40 PM (uyrlv)
I sent in an order for a Service grade a couple of weeks ago. Last week I got an email back that said "The Service grades are currently on backorder while the armorers are working more", along with the option to get a Winchesters or IHC for more money. I chose to wait for a luck-of-the-draw Service grade.
So, not out of Garands, but not everything listed on their web site is available for immediate shipment.
Their site right now shows both field grade and service grade rifles available.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:40 PM (uyrlv)
I sent in an order for a Service grade a couple of weeks ago. Last week I got an email back that said "The Service grades are currently on backorder while the armorers are working more", along with the option to get a Winchesters or IHC for more money. I chose to wait for a luck-of-the-draw Service grade.
So, not out of Garands, but not everything listed on their web site is available for immediate shipment.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 12:50 PM (DNH+H)
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Part 2 of the BOGO deal (yay Texas. Yep - there was a buy one, get one free on firearms deal for black friday).
For real fun, been plinking away with the long barrel .22 Heritage "cowboy" revolver. Looks good, what with lots of blueing and wooden grips, and is an absolute hoot. Even more so w/22 mag...
Puts a smile on my face every time I fire it.
For real fun, been plinking away with the long barrel .22 Heritage "cowboy" revolver. Looks good, what with lots of blueing and wooden grips, and is an absolute hoot. Even more so w/22 mag...
Puts a smile on my face every time I fire it.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 12:51 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Son of Schicklgruber at December 17, 2017 12:51 PM (IcT7t)
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There is nothing new in those CMP rules. Same regs as for buying anything else through them.
Posted by: Stringer Davis
Two NICS checks when already NICS exempt?
Posted by: Stringer Davis
Two NICS checks when already NICS exempt?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 12:53 PM (CeVa5)
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Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:40 PM (uyrlv)
I was thinking about selling mine but sounds like I should hang on to it. WWII era, from Saginaw factory, M1 Carbine, pristine, strap and all. Was not used in WWII, issued during Korean War but was used in Alaska, meaning not really used.
I was thinking about selling mine but sounds like I should hang on to it. WWII era, from Saginaw factory, M1 Carbine, pristine, strap and all. Was not used in WWII, issued during Korean War but was used in Alaska, meaning not really used.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 12:54 PM (3myMJ)
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Thank you Slap for maintaining the prayer list. You are a Saint.
(I won't pass that around. You have a reputation to uphold
).
Finally received all the parts to complete my son's AR project.
Damn shame it will be lost in a water accident shortly.
(I won't pass that around. You have a reputation to uphold
).
Finally received all the parts to complete my son's AR project.
Damn shame it will be lost in a water accident shortly.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2017 12:55 PM (tr2D7)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 12:56 PM (Ckg4U)
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60 There is nothing new in those CMP rules. Same regs as for buying anything else through them.
Posted by: Stringer Davis
Two NICS checks when already NICS exempt?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 12:53 PM (CeVa5)
I think CMP currently does an NICS check for rifles. The added check is when the FFL transfers to the end buyer. Seems silly, but may be needed to comply with the letter of Federal law.
Posted by: Stringer Davis
Two NICS checks when already NICS exempt?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 12:53 PM (CeVa5)
I think CMP currently does an NICS check for rifles. The added check is when the FFL transfers to the end buyer. Seems silly, but may be needed to comply with the letter of Federal law.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 12:56 PM (DNH+H)
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File this under Not Smart:
SFPD buys back a bazooka.
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=76596
They bought an inert AT-4...
SFPD buys back a bazooka.
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=76596
They bought an inert AT-4...
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 12:57 PM (nZNJN)
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Iowa Bob, thanks, that sounds right. Point is, if they're listed for sale on the site, they have the inventory to meet the orders, even with delays. At least that's the pattern from the past.
As a casual observer, seems to have been this way for a while. Ups and downs in "supply" (CMP identifying the stuff they have on hand), so sometimes orders are filled immediately, other times there's a delay.
But seeing Winchesters and IHCs for sale was sort of shocking, at least to this casual observer, as those unicorns were long declared over and done with.
As a casual observer, seems to have been this way for a while. Ups and downs in "supply" (CMP identifying the stuff they have on hand), so sometimes orders are filled immediately, other times there's a delay.
But seeing Winchesters and IHCs for sale was sort of shocking, at least to this casual observer, as those unicorns were long declared over and done with.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (uyrlv)
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I am pretty stocked up on ammo that I don't reload here in Cimmifornia. I am hoping that the courts can unwind this shitty law.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
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Woo, gun thread!
I'm not a huge 1911 fan. They're better than revolvers, I'll say that for them.
But if you want a 1911, dear God, there are so many good and inexpensive options out there. I'm sure the CMP is just making this hard for the sake of it.
Just buy a Colt Gold Cup Match. Done.
I'm not a huge 1911 fan. They're better than revolvers, I'll say that for them.
But if you want a 1911, dear God, there are so many good and inexpensive options out there. I'm sure the CMP is just making this hard for the sake of it.
Just buy a Colt Gold Cup Match. Done.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 12:59 PM (xJa6I)
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It is sad that governments are chiefed but the double tongues.
Posted by: Ten Bears at December 17, 2017 01:00 PM (gC2IV)
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Most of the people in the video are truly idiots, though I make an
exception for a) the guy who experienced catastrophic weapon failure
(unless he used a reload that was too hot) and b) the guys firing the
.577 T-Rex who, if I recall the context of the video correctly, had no
idea how insane the recoil was going to be.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:21 PM (NWiLs)
I'm guessing many of the women knocked down by shotguns were set up to do so by the boyfriend running the camera. That is the stupid part.
Most of the people in the video are truly idiots, though I make an
exception for a) the guy who experienced catastrophic weapon failure
(unless he used a reload that was too hot) and b) the guys firing the
.577 T-Rex who, if I recall the context of the video correctly, had no
idea how insane the recoil was going to be.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 12:21 PM (NWiLs)
I'm guessing many of the women knocked down by shotguns were set up to do so by the boyfriend running the camera. That is the stupid part.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:00 PM (oPNmq)
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I'd love to post, but I've scheduled a horrible canoeing accident this afternoon and have to finish putting all my guns in the canoe...
Posted by: Can't Canoe at December 17, 2017 01:00 PM (ALwir)
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Re: NICS check for CMP sales, From page 2A of the CMP order form :
"I hereby consent to allow the CMP to submit the information I have supplied with my application to the FBI national instant criminal background check system (NICS) to verify that I am not prohibited from buying this rifle, and I authorize the FBI to inform the CMP of the result"
"I hereby consent to allow the CMP to submit the information I have supplied with my application to the FBI national instant criminal background check system (NICS) to verify that I am not prohibited from buying this rifle, and I authorize the FBI to inform the CMP of the result"
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 01:01 PM (DNH+H)
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We have warmer, comfortable temps forecast for the next few days. Time to head for the range to try out the new Ruger AR-556.
Also, I picked up a used Ruger Mk III 22lr semi pistol. I wasn't going to get it but the price was excellent. Also, the first owner was meticulous in keeping everything together, even that useless spent case supplied by Ruger. In my experience that means a careful and caring owner. The pistol is about mint even though it is 10 years old. I need to build up some strength and stamina in my upper body and careful, slow fire will help the process. Frankly, I need the practice in off hand shooting.
This is going to be fun.
Also, I picked up a used Ruger Mk III 22lr semi pistol. I wasn't going to get it but the price was excellent. Also, the first owner was meticulous in keeping everything together, even that useless spent case supplied by Ruger. In my experience that means a careful and caring owner. The pistol is about mint even though it is 10 years old. I need to build up some strength and stamina in my upper body and careful, slow fire will help the process. Frankly, I need the practice in off hand shooting.
This is going to be fun.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 01:01 PM (V+03K)
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It is also sad that I can't type.
Posted by: Ten Bears at December 17, 2017 01:01 PM (gC2IV)
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Meremortal, you are hereby ordered not get rid of that carbine.
Unless you sell it to me.
I've got one, but yours sounds much nicer.
I got into the CMP game just too late to get one of their carbines, got one from a collector.
As to CMP's FFL requirements, being in CA and considering multiple onerous idiotic useless requirements "normal", I don't follow the details or care that much, but I think the "new" FFL stuff is because handguns (1911s). Not a huge deal in the overall picture, and you can be sure CMP is not merely harassing its customers, as so many states do their gun-owning citizens.
Unless you sell it to me.
I've got one, but yours sounds much nicer.
I got into the CMP game just too late to get one of their carbines, got one from a collector.
As to CMP's FFL requirements, being in CA and considering multiple onerous idiotic useless requirements "normal", I don't follow the details or care that much, but I think the "new" FFL stuff is because handguns (1911s). Not a huge deal in the overall picture, and you can be sure CMP is not merely harassing its customers, as so many states do their gun-owning citizens.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:01 PM (uyrlv)
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Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 12:53 PM (CeVa5)
I think CMP currently does an NICS check for rifles. The added check is when the FFL transfers to the end buyer. Seems silly, but may be needed to comply with the letter of Federal law.
Posted by: Iowa Bob
I'm already exempt from whomever I buy from now. I can order a pistol or rifle from Bud's online via my iPhone, have it shipped to my FFL dealer, go pick it up & fill out the 4473. No NICS. Not one or two NICS.
I think CMP currently does an NICS check for rifles. The added check is when the FFL transfers to the end buyer. Seems silly, but may be needed to comply with the letter of Federal law.
Posted by: Iowa Bob
I'm already exempt from whomever I buy from now. I can order a pistol or rifle from Bud's online via my iPhone, have it shipped to my FFL dealer, go pick it up & fill out the 4473. No NICS. Not one or two NICS.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:02 PM (CeVa5)
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67 I am pretty stocked up on ammo that I don't reload here in Cimmifornia. I am hoping that the courts can unwind this shitty law.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
Nice! Glad to hear about the ammo.
My heart goes out to the morons in Cali...the gun hate there is the main reason I'd never move there. Even though San Diego is tempting for many reasons.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
Nice! Glad to hear about the ammo.
My heart goes out to the morons in Cali...the gun hate there is the main reason I'd never move there. Even though San Diego is tempting for many reasons.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:03 PM (xJa6I)
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65 File this under Not Smart:
SFPD buys back a bazooka.
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=76596
They bought an inert AT-4...
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 12:57 PM (nZNJN)
Dummies. They also said proudly they bought back a cannon ball. OK then.
SFPD buys back a bazooka.
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=76596
They bought an inert AT-4...
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 12:57 PM (nZNJN)
Dummies. They also said proudly they bought back a cannon ball. OK then.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:03 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 17, 2017 01:03 PM (H5rtT)
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Where the white guns at?
Posted by: saf at December 17, 2017 01:03 PM (cS/ge)
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I'm guessing many of the women knocked down by shotguns were set up to do so by the boyfriend running the camera. That is the stupid part.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:00 PM (oPNmq)
It's assholery in the first degree, on top of being dangerous.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:00 PM (oPNmq)
It's assholery in the first degree, on top of being dangerous.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:04 PM (NWiLs)
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They are proud of the cannon ball because they lack such physical equipment. One cannon ball is big enough for the whole force.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:04 PM (nZNJN)
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80 Where the white guns at?
Posted by: saf at December 17, 2017 01:03 PM (cS/ge)
Off shooting black people. Duh.
Posted by: saf at December 17, 2017 01:03 PM (cS/ge)
Off shooting black people. Duh.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:04 PM (NWiLs)
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I have a 1911. Carried one since the 80s. I might spring for a display one if the price was right but I like the one I have and I am used to it.
I really would like a surplus M1 Garand, but with my fathers Alzheimer's it is less of a issue now (he carried one when he served).
I really would like a surplus M1 Garand, but with my fathers Alzheimer's it is less of a issue now (he carried one when he served).
Posted by: Big V at December 17, 2017 01:05 PM (MVE/7)
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The Russian article is interesting - a thermal
cloaking uniform. Only problem I see is that it probably gets pretty hot
inside, especially if the campaign is in someplace like the Middle
East.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 17, 2017 12:28 PM (/qEW2)
Uniform might have to have cooling fans. I don't think heated air is as visible to IR snoopers as a warm body is, and the heated air soon dissipates, too.
cloaking uniform. Only problem I see is that it probably gets pretty hot
inside, especially if the campaign is in someplace like the Middle
East.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 17, 2017 12:28 PM (/qEW2)
Uniform might have to have cooling fans. I don't think heated air is as visible to IR snoopers as a warm body is, and the heated air soon dissipates, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:05 PM (oPNmq)
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Woo, gun thread!
I'm not a huge 1911 fan. They're better than revolvers, I'll say that for them.
But if you want a 1911, dear God, there are so many good and inexpensive options out there. I'm sure the CMP is just making this hard for the sake of it.
Just buy a Colt Gold Cup Match. Done.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 12:59 PM (xJa6I)
I got the impression this was about collectors wanting the "real" thing. Sorta like car show folks, who are into vintage cars. It's not about driving around in. I can get a used Ford Fucus to do that.
I'm not a huge 1911 fan. They're better than revolvers, I'll say that for them.
But if you want a 1911, dear God, there are so many good and inexpensive options out there. I'm sure the CMP is just making this hard for the sake of it.
Just buy a Colt Gold Cup Match. Done.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 12:59 PM (xJa6I)
I got the impression this was about collectors wanting the "real" thing. Sorta like car show folks, who are into vintage cars. It's not about driving around in. I can get a used Ford Fucus to do that.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 01:05 PM (Pz4pT)
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Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:01 PM (uyrlv)
Thanks for the input. Will take your advice.
Now, about my SS Ceremonial Dagger with scabbard...
Thanks for the input. Will take your advice.
Now, about my SS Ceremonial Dagger with scabbard...
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 01:06 PM (3myMJ)
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Cooling fans for thermo-optics?
So either batteries or hey put solar panels on the guy for power.
So either batteries or hey put solar panels on the guy for power.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:06 PM (nZNJN)
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>>>>There is nothing new in those CMP rules. Same regs as for buying anything else through them.
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.Yes there is. Two NICS checks, one by the CMP and another by the dealer where you have to pickup the gun.
Right now for Carbines and Garands the CMP does a check and ships the gun straight to you.
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.Yes there is. Two NICS checks, one by the CMP and another by the dealer where you have to pickup the gun.
Right now for Carbines and Garands the CMP does a check and ships the gun straight to you.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (+Dllb)
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Jackhole, I've heard several people say they expect/hope the "courts" to gut the new ammo law.
Though anything is possible, I see no reason, based on recent/current experience with the other high-profile cases against CA laws, to expect any consequential action any time soon.
Remember: "relief" and "justice" for imaginary "rights", conjured up after cultural questions have been absurdly constitutionalized to allow judicial rule by decree, over the expressed will of the culture, is near-instantaneous; protection of unambiguous, expressly identified rights from the actual constitution ..... 5 years? 10 years? Never?
Don't know exactly how long the big cases have been dragging on in CA, but think it's getting up to 8-10 years in some cases.
Though anything is possible, I see no reason, based on recent/current experience with the other high-profile cases against CA laws, to expect any consequential action any time soon.
Remember: "relief" and "justice" for imaginary "rights", conjured up after cultural questions have been absurdly constitutionalized to allow judicial rule by decree, over the expressed will of the culture, is near-instantaneous; protection of unambiguous, expressly identified rights from the actual constitution ..... 5 years? 10 years? Never?
Don't know exactly how long the big cases have been dragging on in CA, but think it's getting up to 8-10 years in some cases.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (uyrlv)
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I bet I could affix a piece of PVC pipe to a block of wood and sell it to these buy back idiots.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (NWiLs)
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66 But seeing Winchesters and IHCs for sale was sort of shocking, at least to this casual observer, as those unicorns were long declared over and done with.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (uyrlv)
The email I got said : "We have Field ($630), IHC Service grade ($1060) and WRA Service grades ($930) available."
I haven't checked to see if those are listed for sale on the CMP site. There was also a note that only one IHC or WRA per customer per year. I passed on the offer and said I would wait.
Why are the IHCs and WRAs more desirable? Just because they're rarer and more collectable? I'm buying it to shoot. and not as a collectable or an investment.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (uyrlv)
The email I got said : "We have Field ($630), IHC Service grade ($1060) and WRA Service grades ($930) available."
I haven't checked to see if those are listed for sale on the CMP site. There was also a note that only one IHC or WRA per customer per year. I passed on the offer and said I would wait.
Why are the IHCs and WRAs more desirable? Just because they're rarer and more collectable? I'm buying it to shoot. and not as a collectable or an investment.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (DNH+H)
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Did get to shoot the wife's new 870 Express yesterday. Ran about a half box of shells thru it. Went & picked up a box of clays and some more ammo. Plan to have a family shoot on Christmas.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (CeVa5)
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MH, Thanks for the gun thread. Always a fun read.
Slap, THANK YOU for the prayer list. The Horde is a community and it helps to know who is in need or prayer.
Slap, THANK YOU for the prayer list. The Horde is a community and it helps to know who is in need or prayer.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (V+03K)
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I really would like a surplus M1 Garand, but with my fathers Alzheimer's it is less of a issue now (he carried one when he served).
Posted by: Big V at December 17, 2017 01:05 PM (MVE/7)
Yeah, if I had all the money in the world, there are shedloads of long guns I would love to own. Not necessarily for any purpose other than to look at them.
Posted by: Big V at December 17, 2017 01:05 PM (MVE/7)
Yeah, if I had all the money in the world, there are shedloads of long guns I would love to own. Not necessarily for any purpose other than to look at them.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (Pz4pT)
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Greetings:
There was a time when eight little ladies were great, but now we're in the mid-teens, so I guess I'm a quantity type guy.
There was a time when eight little ladies were great, but now we're in the mid-teens, so I guess I'm a quantity type guy.
Posted by: 11B40 at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (evgyj)
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Insomniac, if that works try the pistol-shaped Pop-tart next.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (nZNJN)
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I have some extra money that is burning a hole in my pocket. Thinking about the Mossberg Shockwave. What say the Horde?
Posted by: PabloD at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (O+5ZY)
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93 Plan to have a family shoot on Christmas.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (CeVa5)
I know family can be a pain in the ass, especially during the holidays, but don't you think that's a bit extreme?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (CeVa5)
I know family can be a pain in the ass, especially during the holidays, but don't you think that's a bit extreme?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:09 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:09 PM (CeVa5)
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98 I have some extra money that is burning a hole in my pocket. Thinking about the Mossberg Shockwave. What say the Horde?
Posted by: PabloD at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (O+5ZY)
Seems highly impractical.
Posted by: PabloD at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (O+5ZY)
Seems highly impractical.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:10 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:10 PM (nZNJN)
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49 Jackal - as much as it pains me to point this out (and I'm surprise at some of it), CMP is not out of Garands.
Their site right now shows both field grade and service grade rifles available.
And that's not all. Winchesters, and IHCs (!). One per customer, for those.
I'm "done" with buying M-1s, officially, as I don't really need more, and am much more a shooter than collector. But dang. Wincesters for $930, IHCs for just over $1K, service grades for $730?
Possibly one of the best, and easiest, collectible investment opportunities going for several years now has been M-1 collecting. The better examples represent a decent return the minute you open the box. 10 years from now? Could be something.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:40 PM (uyrlv)
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Well, sh!t, I better get off my ass and do appleseed, then! I'd heard they were out!
Their site right now shows both field grade and service grade rifles available.
And that's not all. Winchesters, and IHCs (!). One per customer, for those.
I'm "done" with buying M-1s, officially, as I don't really need more, and am much more a shooter than collector. But dang. Wincesters for $930, IHCs for just over $1K, service grades for $730?
Possibly one of the best, and easiest, collectible investment opportunities going for several years now has been M-1 collecting. The better examples represent a decent return the minute you open the box. 10 years from now? Could be something.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 12:40 PM (uyrlv)
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Well, sh!t, I better get off my ass and do appleseed, then! I'd heard they were out!
Posted by: Jackal at December 17, 2017 01:10 PM (yhwm0)
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Don't know exactly how long the big cases have been dragging on in CA, but think it's getting up to 8-10 years in some cases.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (uyrlv).
Yeah, hope is a thing with feathers.
Its the shits, but I am pretty ingrained here for now. There is always another way. Excuse me why I order some more .22 !
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:07 PM (uyrlv).
Yeah, hope is a thing with feathers.
Its the shits, but I am pretty ingrained here for now. There is always another way. Excuse me why I order some more .22 !
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:11 PM (Bh6pi)
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97 Insomniac, if that works try the pistol-shaped Pop-tart next.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (nZNJN)
Let's see, Pop Tarts are about $2.50 a box, ten pastries per box...that's one hell of a profit.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (nZNJN)
Let's see, Pop Tarts are about $2.50 a box, ten pastries per box...that's one hell of a profit.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:11 PM (NWiLs)
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Meremortal, so you're going to sell it to me?
That's the best advice I can give. And you seem to be acting in a compliant manner.
Will arrange to get you my FFL's address via a cob (lol) ........
That's the best advice I can give. And you seem to be acting in a compliant manner.
Will arrange to get you my FFL's address via a cob (lol) ........
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:11 PM (uyrlv)
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Insomniac - yeah, totally impractical, this would be just for the fun factor. I have a decent store of practical firearms.
Posted by: PabloD at December 17, 2017 01:12 PM (O+5ZY)
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106 Meremortal, so you're going to sell it to me?
That's the best advice I can give. And you seem to be acting in a compliant manner.
Will arrange to get you my FFL's address via a cob (lol) ........
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:11 PM (uyrlv)
Delusion, er, I mean hope springs eternal.
That's the best advice I can give. And you seem to be acting in a compliant manner.
Will arrange to get you my FFL's address via a cob (lol) ........
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:11 PM (uyrlv)
Delusion, er, I mean hope springs eternal.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:12 PM (NWiLs)
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76 I'm already exempt from whomever I buy from now. I can order a pistol or rifle from Bud's online via my iPhone, have it shipped to my FFL dealer, go pick it up & fill out the 4473. No NICS. Not one or two NICS.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:02 PM (CeVa5)
I'm curious how that works? Is it because the FFL you use has already done a NICS check on you for a previous sale? Does a state carry permit (which requires a background check) allow skipping the NICS check?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:02 PM (CeVa5)
I'm curious how that works? Is it because the FFL you use has already done a NICS check on you for a previous sale? Does a state carry permit (which requires a background check) allow skipping the NICS check?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 01:12 PM (DNH+H)
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98 I have some extra money that is burning a hole in my pocket. Thinking about the Mossberg Shockwave. What say the Horde?
Posted by: PabloD at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (O+5ZY)
Buy a 6.5 creedmore and have some long range shooting fun
Posted by: PabloD at December 17, 2017 01:08 PM (O+5ZY)
Buy a 6.5 creedmore and have some long range shooting fun
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:13 PM (Bh6pi)
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47,
"Governor Cuomo believes that "when they write the history books they're going to say, 'New York got it right,'"
Sounds better in the original German."
Yes, "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer" just doesn't resonate as well in English.
Everything the Progressive-left says sounds better in the original German, but they say it in English so as not to be cited for plagiarism.
"Governor Cuomo believes that "when they write the history books they're going to say, 'New York got it right,'"
Sounds better in the original German."
Yes, "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer" just doesn't resonate as well in English.
Everything the Progressive-left says sounds better in the original German, but they say it in English so as not to be cited for plagiarism.
Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 01:13 PM (zOpu5)
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I'm hoping to read about how few people go along with the Nazis in the NY state house and assembly.
What I hope NOT to read about is the loss of some LEOs forced to carry out the politicians' demands for confiscation. (If they feel that strongly, the politicos should show up at the door, unarmed, to take the guns.)
What I hope NOT to read about is the loss of some LEOs forced to carry out the politicians' demands for confiscation. (If they feel that strongly, the politicos should show up at the door, unarmed, to take the guns.)
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (V+03K)
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Went .22 shooting with a Remington 'Bucket of Bullets', 36 grain hollowpoints. They seem fine, not as good at CCI ammo but good enough I thought.
Half the rental guns at the range pitched a fit with them. Mostly the Rugers.
(They didn't have an M&P 22 to rent, it was down for maintenence)
Just abyssmal experience trying to find a good .22 that was both accurate and reliable. Best contender was the Smith and Wesson Liberty, which at least shot to point of aim. Odd ergonomics and weight to the pistol but at least it functioned.
None of the Ruger MKIIIs worked or fed reliably. The Smith and Wesson revolvers blew gas and power on my hands...not fun.
Bleh.
May need to buy stuff and try it but that's not a great option for me financially right now.
Half the rental guns at the range pitched a fit with them. Mostly the Rugers.
(They didn't have an M&P 22 to rent, it was down for maintenence)
Just abyssmal experience trying to find a good .22 that was both accurate and reliable. Best contender was the Smith and Wesson Liberty, which at least shot to point of aim. Odd ergonomics and weight to the pistol but at least it functioned.
None of the Ruger MKIIIs worked or fed reliably. The Smith and Wesson revolvers blew gas and power on my hands...not fun.
Bleh.
May need to buy stuff and try it but that's not a great option for me financially right now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (MINbv)
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I'm curious how that works? Is it because the FFL you use has already done a NICS check on you for a previous sale? Does a state carry permit (which requires a background check) allow skipping the NICS check?
Posted by: Iowa Bob
Concealed handgun license holder. 23 other states also exempt their chl holders from NICS checks.
Posted by: Iowa Bob
Concealed handgun license holder. 23 other states also exempt their chl holders from NICS checks.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (CeVa5)
Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 01:15 PM (zOpu5)
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115 I'm curious how that works? Is it because the FFL you use has already done a NICS check on you for a previous sale? Does a state carry permit (which requires a background check) allow skipping the NICS check?
Posted by: Iowa Bob
Concealed handgun license holder. 23 other states also exempt their chl holders from NICS checks.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (CeVa5)
In FL you're still stuck with the instant background check, but there's no waiting period for CWFL holders.
Posted by: Iowa Bob
Concealed handgun license holder. 23 other states also exempt their chl holders from NICS checks.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (CeVa5)
In FL you're still stuck with the instant background check, but there's no waiting period for CWFL holders.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:15 PM (NWiLs)
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Iowa Bob, yes, rarity is the reason Winchesters/IHCs are more "collectible". And some indescribable value connected to the Winchester name, and the IHCs because "tractor gun", and, I think, the last run of M-1s made.
Like you, I'm mostly a shooter. Have managed, somewhat by chance, to have a sort of hybrid "collectible shooter's" group of guns, both long and handgun. So most people say "you shoot that! put it away!" for some things. But if I were a classic car buff I'd be the kind that drives my cars all the time. Like to use these cool little toys.
Like you, I'm mostly a shooter. Have managed, somewhat by chance, to have a sort of hybrid "collectible shooter's" group of guns, both long and handgun. So most people say "you shoot that! put it away!" for some things. But if I were a classic car buff I'd be the kind that drives my cars all the time. Like to use these cool little toys.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (uyrlv)
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67 I am pretty stocked up on ammo that I don't reload here in Cimmifornia. I am hoping that the courts can unwind this shitty law.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
But might be fun!
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it!
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
But might be fun!
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (xJa6I)
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Dummies. They also said proudly they bought back a cannon ball. OK then.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular
How much will they pay for a bowling ball with no finger holes?
Dummies. They also said proudly they bought back a cannon ball. OK then.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular
How much will they pay for a bowling ball with no finger holes?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (IqV8l)
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>>>>76 I'm already exempt from whomever I buy from now. I can order a
pistol or rifle from Bud's online via my iPhone, have it shipped to my
FFL dealer, go pick it up fill out the 4473. No NICS. Not one or
two NICS.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:02 PM (CeVa5)
I'm curious how that works? Is it because the FFL you use has
already done a NICS check on you for a previous sale? Does a state carry
permit (which requires a background check) allow skipping the NICS
check?
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.State Carry Permits exempt you from the NICS check(s). You still have to fill out the form though, the dealer checks the exempt block on it.
pistol or rifle from Bud's online via my iPhone, have it shipped to my
FFL dealer, go pick it up fill out the 4473. No NICS. Not one or
two NICS.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:02 PM (CeVa5)
I'm curious how that works? Is it because the FFL you use has
already done a NICS check on you for a previous sale? Does a state carry
permit (which requires a background check) allow skipping the NICS
check?
.
.
.State Carry Permits exempt you from the NICS check(s). You still have to fill out the form though, the dealer checks the exempt block on it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:17 PM (+Dllb)
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119 67 I am pretty stocked up on ammo that I don't reload here in Cimmifornia. I am hoping that the courts can unwind this shitty law.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
But might be fun!
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (xJa6I)
Get the 30 caliber clip that can be emptied in 1.5 seconds with a single trigger pull.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
But might be fun!
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (xJa6I)
Get the 30 caliber clip that can be emptied in 1.5 seconds with a single trigger pull.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:17 PM (NWiLs)
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.State Carry Permits exempt you from the NICS check(s). You still have to fill out the form though, the dealer checks the exempt block on it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:17 PM (+Dllb)
That's not the case is every state.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:17 PM (+Dllb)
That's not the case is every state.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:17 PM (NWiLs)
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Buy a 6.5 creedmore and have some long range shooting fun
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:13 PM (Bh6pi)
Grabagun still has the Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 creedmore with 24" barrel for $999. I might order it today.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:13 PM (Bh6pi)
Grabagun still has the Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 creedmore with 24" barrel for $999. I might order it today.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2017 01:18 PM (rnXGe)
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*in*
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:18 PM (NWiLs)
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Plan to have a family shoot on Christmas."
Ah....
Posted by: Anon a mouse
Stepson, B-i-L, wife & myself. Possibly even my F-i-L if the weather cooperates. Father in Law has a mechanical, spring loaded clay pigeon thrower.
Ah....
Posted by: Anon a mouse
Stepson, B-i-L, wife & myself. Possibly even my F-i-L if the weather cooperates. Father in Law has a mechanical, spring loaded clay pigeon thrower.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:18 PM (CeVa5)
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:18 PM (NWiLs)
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A couple of years ago I would have considered a 1911 from CMP if they were available. But as it is, a long time neighbor who I used to take to the range with me, passed not long before I left California and gave me his 1911 service weapon from his days as a Marine in the Korean War. He kept in great condition and I am truly touched he thought to gift it to me.
Posted by: Tennessee Jed at December 17, 2017 01:19 PM (vkQbV)
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Dummies. They also said proudly they bought back a cannon ball. OK then.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular
How much will they pay for a bowling ball with no finger holes?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Pumpkins.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular
How much will they pay for a bowling ball with no finger holes?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Pumpkins.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:19 PM (CeVa5)
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Had a chicken burrito for lunch because culture appropriation.
Love my 1911, its a 80 series Colt but fine for what I need it for.
Love my 1911, its a 80 series Colt but fine for what I need it for.
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (aC6Sd)
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Jackhole, I've stocked up on things I don't reload, like you. Even for calibers for which I don't (yet) own a platform - 45 Colt, .223. Even have the dies for .223. (a sure sign of advanced disease in these matters) So, shotgun and rimfire and specialty (self-defense) ammo.
I'm getting a sense that most CA shooters don't realize what lies just ahead. Trying to move some 54R ammo (I have a ton of it, and I'm literally trying to make physical room for storing other calibers I've been hoarding before the new law). Seems little interest. I am fairly sure the first few weeks of January will see many many CA shooters crying "what??" when they can't buy online, and retail prices rise noticeably.
I'm getting a sense that most CA shooters don't realize what lies just ahead. Trying to move some 54R ammo (I have a ton of it, and I'm literally trying to make physical room for storing other calibers I've been hoarding before the new law). Seems little interest. I am fairly sure the first few weeks of January will see many many CA shooters crying "what??" when they can't buy online, and retail prices rise noticeably.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (uyrlv)
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119 67 I am pretty stocked up on ammo that I don't reload here in Cimmifornia. I am hoping that the courts can unwind this shitty law.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
But might be fun!
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it
I will just be shooting it the old timey way with the open sights, to pretty a gun to hang anything on.
On a high note, I picked up a winchester 62a in mint condition at auction for $575. A bargain compared to what good ones sell for
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 12:58 PM (Bh6pi)
But might be fun!
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it
I will just be shooting it the old timey way with the open sights, to pretty a gun to hang anything on.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (Bh6pi)
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That video is tough to watch. The dude staring down the battle and blasts a hole in his hat is fucked up.
I can't believe that video did not show the clip of the 9ish year old girl who is shorting a semi auto and kills her instructor.
I can't believe that video did not show the clip of the 9ish year old girl who is shorting a semi auto and kills her instructor.
Posted by: John Holmes at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (UwRDM)
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115Concealed handgun license holder. 23 other states also exempt their chl holders from NICS checks.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (CeVa5)
Thanks, that makes sense. I think they do the same thing here in Iowa, but I've never really paid attention. I hand the dealer my drivers license and CCL, I fill out the 4473, they look at it, they take my money and hand me the gun and I go for a tragic canoe ride.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (CeVa5)
Thanks, that makes sense. I think they do the same thing here in Iowa, but I've never really paid attention. I hand the dealer my drivers license and CCL, I fill out the 4473, they look at it, they take my money and hand me the gun and I go for a tragic canoe ride.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (DNH+H)
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In FL you're still stuck with the instant background check, but there's no waiting period for CWFL holders.
Posted by: Insomniac
God bless Texas.
No nics for chl & no waiting period.
Posted by: Insomniac
God bless Texas.
No nics for chl & no waiting period.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:21 PM (CeVa5)
136
riclb223 @ 76 - Form 4473 = NICS.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 01:21 PM (hXu8T)
137
I fill out the 4473, they look at it, they take my money and hand me the gun and I go for a tragic canoe ride.
Posted by: Iowa Bob
Damn canoes!!
Posted by: Iowa Bob
Damn canoes!!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:21 PM (CeVa5)
138
I have my Dad's surplus 1911 that he bought through the NRA in the early 60s. He paid $14.00 for it and $11.00 for the 03-A3. I have that one, too.
I have my Dad's surplus 1911 that he bought through the NRA in the early 60s. He paid $14.00 for it and $11.00 for the 03-A3. I have that one, too.
Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 17, 2017 01:22 PM (4DCSq)
139
That KY lawmaker who committed suicide. AP says he used a 40mm pistol. Must've had strong wrists. And his head must now be in Tennessee.
http://bit.ly/2o6WBF0
http://bit.ly/2o6WBF0
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe today! Covfefe tomorrow! Covfefe forever! at December 17, 2017 01:22 PM (+y/Ru)
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But might be fun!
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (xJa6I)
Get the 30 caliber clip that can be emptied in 1.5 seconds with a single
You guys do realize this is a 60 year old pump .22, right ?
Get the Augilla minishells and a laser for it!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (xJa6I)
Get the 30 caliber clip that can be emptied in 1.5 seconds with a single
You guys do realize this is a 60 year old pump .22, right ?
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (Bh6pi)
141
In MA you need a permit to buy ammo. Again, no effect on criminals.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 12:48
True, but we have a bill pending (yeah, yeah, hold your laughter), to allow us to actually buy ammo online like almost every other state in the union. I'd like to see that one pass.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 12:48
True, but we have a bill pending (yeah, yeah, hold your laughter), to allow us to actually buy ammo online like almost every other state in the union. I'd like to see that one pass.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (jfuOT)
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riclb223 @ 76 - Form 4473 = NICS.
Posted by: Butch
Nope. That's different.
NICS is the call in the dealer does.
Posted by: Butch
Nope. That's different.
NICS is the call in the dealer does.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (CeVa5)
143
Dummies. They also said proudly they bought back a cannon ball. OK then.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular
How much will they pay for a bowling ball with no finger holes?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (IqV8l)
As a little kid, I had a crusty old iron ball the size a small orange. Supposedly a "cannon ball". Not so. Almost certainly a mill ball, as used in a ball mill for grinding ore at a mine. They are manufactured in the millions, and wear out in use. Often thousands to be found at old mill sites.
Even a real gen-u-wine cannon ball is not a weapon, as such. It's totally inert, and only dangerous if you drop it on your toe.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular
How much will they pay for a bowling ball with no finger holes?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (IqV8l)
As a little kid, I had a crusty old iron ball the size a small orange. Supposedly a "cannon ball". Not so. Almost certainly a mill ball, as used in a ball mill for grinding ore at a mine. They are manufactured in the millions, and wear out in use. Often thousands to be found at old mill sites.
Even a real gen-u-wine cannon ball is not a weapon, as such. It's totally inert, and only dangerous if you drop it on your toe.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (oPNmq)
144
Any advice for treating a bucking/flinching/limp-wristing habit? I shoot low and left (right handed) and sometimes FTE. I think the FTEs are from too loose a grip, trying not to death-grip the pistol but ending up holding it too lightly. Then, since it snaps harder with a weak grip, I buck the recoil when squeezing the trigger, which leads to the low-left aim point.
The traditional recommendation is to do a lot of dry fire practice, and to have someone load a few snap caps per magazine so you can see if you jerk the gun when it doesn't fire. But I KNOW I'm jerking, it's not a mystery. And the dry fire doesn't seem to help either; I don't jerk the gun when there's no gun food in it because I know it's not going to go bang and flip around in my hand.
Aside from just practicing more - which I worry might just reinforce bad form - does anyone have some advice on this?
The traditional recommendation is to do a lot of dry fire practice, and to have someone load a few snap caps per magazine so you can see if you jerk the gun when it doesn't fire. But I KNOW I'm jerking, it's not a mystery. And the dry fire doesn't seem to help either; I don't jerk the gun when there's no gun food in it because I know it's not going to go bang and flip around in my hand.
Aside from just practicing more - which I worry might just reinforce bad form - does anyone have some advice on this?
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (y87Qq)
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138
I have my Dad's surplus 1911 that he bought through the NRA in the early 60s. He paid $14.00 for it and $11.00 for the 03-A3. I have that one, too.
Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 17, 2017 01:22 PM (4DCSq)
That's great!
I have my Dad's surplus 1911 that he bought through the NRA in the early 60s. He paid $14.00 for it and $11.00 for the 03-A3. I have that one, too.
Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 17, 2017 01:22 PM (4DCSq)
That's great!
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:24 PM (Bh6pi)
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Rhomboid, you are at the top of the list for the Carbine.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 01:24 PM (3myMJ)
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I can't believe that video did not show the clip of the 9ish year old girl who is shorting a semi auto and kills her instructor.
Posted by: John Holmes at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (UwRDM)
It was a full auto I believe. Everyone who allowed that to happen was a fucking idiot. It's sad the instructor died but giving a nine year old girl a fully automatic Uzi then standing with his head almost next to the barrel was dumb dumb dumb.
Posted by: John Holmes at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (UwRDM)
It was a full auto I believe. Everyone who allowed that to happen was a fucking idiot. It's sad the instructor died but giving a nine year old girl a fully automatic Uzi then standing with his head almost next to the barrel was dumb dumb dumb.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:24 PM (NWiLs)
148
http://bit.ly/2o6WBF0
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
"This version corrects the description of the weapon to .40-caliber."
http://bit.ly/2o6WBF0
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
"This version corrects the description of the weapon to .40-caliber."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2017 01:25 PM (IqV8l)
149
The Form 4473 <> NICS
If the buyer has a valid firearms permit then that permit number plus expiration date can be entered on one page of the Form 4473 and the NICS is bypassed.
How do I know? I am one of five people at my Wal-Mart who can sell rifles and shotguns.
If the buyer has a valid firearms permit then that permit number plus expiration date can be entered on one page of the Form 4473 and the NICS is bypassed.
How do I know? I am one of five people at my Wal-Mart who can sell rifles and shotguns.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:25 PM (nZNJN)
150
118 Iowa Bob, yes, rarity is the reason Winchesters/IHCs are more "collectible". And some indescribable value connected to the Winchester name, and the IHCs because "tractor gun", and, I think, the last run of M-1s made.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (uyrlv)
Thanks. My understanding is that all the rifles that CMP is currently selling have been rebuilt and mostly don't have matching s/n parts, or even matching manufacturer parts. Anyway, I want a shooter and I expect pretty much anything will shoot better than I'm capable of.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (uyrlv)
Thanks. My understanding is that all the rifles that CMP is currently selling have been rebuilt and mostly don't have matching s/n parts, or even matching manufacturer parts. Anyway, I want a shooter and I expect pretty much anything will shoot better than I'm capable of.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 01:26 PM (DNH+H)
151
40mm? Was it a Bofors L60 or L70?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:26 PM (nZNJN)
152
As a little kid, I had a crusty old iron ball the size a small orange. Supposedly a "cannon ball". Not so. Almost certainly a mill ball, as used in a ball mill for grinding ore at a mine. They are manufactured in the millions, and wear out in use. Often thousands to be found at old mill sites.
They use ball mills to grind coal into powder in coal fired power plants.
As a little kid, I had a crusty old iron ball the size a small orange. Supposedly a "cannon ball". Not so. Almost certainly a mill ball, as used in a ball mill for grinding ore at a mine. They are manufactured in the millions, and wear out in use. Often thousands to be found at old mill sites.
They use ball mills to grind coal into powder in coal fired power plants.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2017 01:27 PM (IqV8l)
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How do I know? I am one of five people at my Wal-Mart who can sell rifles and shotguns.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:25 PM (nZNJN)
Hey Girl
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:25 PM (nZNJN)
Hey Girl
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:27 PM (Bh6pi)
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Mark Andrew Edwards, San Diego tempts you mostly for which reasons? Just curious.
The anti-gun ignorance/bigotry grows steadily, but if - if - there is *some* restoration of rule of law, and the constitution, in coming years, there will be a defensible barrier around most of the shooting sports in CA.
The anti-gun ignorance/bigotry grows steadily, but if - if - there is *some* restoration of rule of law, and the constitution, in coming years, there will be a defensible barrier around most of the shooting sports in CA.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:28 PM (uyrlv)
155
"Trump abruptly reversed decades of U.S. policy this month when he recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital, generating outrage from Palestinians."
Trump ENACTED US policy that had been in place for decades and ignored, you useless schmucks.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 12:34 PM (y87Qq)
========
The usual policy of government is to pay lip service while stonewalling and kicking the can down the road. PDT reversed that policy. I wish he had the support to do that more fully.
Trump ENACTED US policy that had been in place for decades and ignored, you useless schmucks.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 12:34 PM (y87Qq)
========
The usual policy of government is to pay lip service while stonewalling and kicking the can down the road. PDT reversed that policy. I wish he had the support to do that more fully.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 17, 2017 01:29 PM (/qEW2)
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (xJa6I)
Is that the Thunderbolt .22 stuff? I've had some hilariously awful experiences with it. Like $10 for 450 rounds but maybe 1/3 of them will fire and none will cycle. Then, two months later, they go on sale again and I buy another box because I make bad decisions and do not learn from my mistakes.
The Ruger MkII Government Target always fired and cycled the CCI in the little plastic tray with the sliding top without complaint. YMMV.
Is that the Thunderbolt .22 stuff? I've had some hilariously awful experiences with it. Like $10 for 450 rounds but maybe 1/3 of them will fire and none will cycle. Then, two months later, they go on sale again and I buy another box because I make bad decisions and do not learn from my mistakes.
The Ruger MkII Government Target always fired and cycled the CCI in the little plastic tray with the sliding top without complaint. YMMV.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:29 PM (y87Qq)
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131 I've stocked up on things I don't reload, like you. Even for calibers for which I don't (yet) own a platform - 45 Colt, .223. Even have the dies for .223. (a sure sign of advanced disease in these matters)
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (uyrlv)
Good to hear that I'm not the only one who does that!
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (uyrlv)
Good to hear that I'm not the only one who does that!
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 01:30 PM (DNH+H)
158
Aside from just practicing more - which I worry might just reinforce bad form - does anyone have some advice on this?
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (y87Qq)
Quit being a pussy.
I keed, I keed! Forget the dry fire. When you go to the range, be fully mindful of your grip and the dynamic tension you should be placing on the gun. You should have a firm push-pull with your right and left hands and the base of your palms should be pressing inward. Don't worry so much about the death grip, you can always back off of it. If you're gripping so hard you're shaking, that's too much.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (y87Qq)
Quit being a pussy.
I keed, I keed! Forget the dry fire. When you go to the range, be fully mindful of your grip and the dynamic tension you should be placing on the gun. You should have a firm push-pull with your right and left hands and the base of your palms should be pressing inward. Don't worry so much about the death grip, you can always back off of it. If you're gripping so hard you're shaking, that's too much.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:30 PM (NWiLs)
159
Hah! Why would I waste my time trying to get an army surplus 1911 when I can go one of Obama's neighborhoods and trade a book for a Glock?
Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2017 01:30 PM (A1FgP)
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"For real fun, been plinking away with the long barrel .22 Heritage "cowboy" revolver. Looks good, what with lots of blueing and wooden grips, and is an absolute hoot. Even more so w/22 mag...
Puts a smile on my face every time I fire it."
anon y mous, +1. I have a great time with mine. Read the reviews on Cabelas and elsewhere. The word most used is probably 'fun'. Same with the videos on YT.
For those interested, Cabelas sometimes has them on sale that can bring the price down below 120 bucks. Worth keeping track of.
Puts a smile on my face every time I fire it."
anon y mous, +1. I have a great time with mine. Read the reviews on Cabelas and elsewhere. The word most used is probably 'fun'. Same with the videos on YT.
For those interested, Cabelas sometimes has them on sale that can bring the price down below 120 bucks. Worth keeping track of.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 01:30 PM (V+03K)
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The Ruger MkII Government Target always fired and cycled the CCI in the little plastic tray with the sliding top without complaint. YMMV.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:29 PM (y87Qq)
I've always had the best results with CCI .22.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:29 PM (y87Qq)
I've always had the best results with CCI .22.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:31 PM (NWiLs)
162
The push pull grip a marine taught me really helped my accuracy with the semi auto
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:31 PM (Bh6pi)
163
It was a full auto I believe. Everyone who allowed
that to happen was a fucking idiot. It's sad the instructor died but
giving a nine year old girl a fully automatic Uzi then standing with his
head almost next to the barrel was dumb dumb dumb.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:24 PM (NWiLs)
That happened at a "shoot a machine gun here" shooting range in Arizona, on Hwy. 93 north of Kingman, IIRC. I don't know why they don't, or didn't have dog-leash chains on the barrels of the weapons so that muzzle climb couldn't bring the point of aim back into the enclosure.
that to happen was a fucking idiot. It's sad the instructor died but
giving a nine year old girl a fully automatic Uzi then standing with his
head almost next to the barrel was dumb dumb dumb.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:24 PM (NWiLs)
That happened at a "shoot a machine gun here" shooting range in Arizona, on Hwy. 93 north of Kingman, IIRC. I don't know why they don't, or didn't have dog-leash chains on the barrels of the weapons so that muzzle climb couldn't bring the point of aim back into the enclosure.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
164
Pistol range on Friday and I observed something interesting. The double-stack pistols with the fat grips have changed the way people shoot now. EVERYONE seems to use a two-handed grip, even on handguns not meant to be so held.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (fA1SL)
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Meremortal, thanks!
Spun and Murky, damn. A 1903 is the one gap in my holdings I'd like to fill, and they got pricey just a few years back (J and G had some recently for under $800, but that's the lowest I've seen in a while).
Iowa Bob, yes, the M-1 hard-core collecting thing seems to center on "correct" parts matching. Totally irrelevant to shooting, of course, in a rifle designed to be mass produced with inter-changeable parts. Whatever. For the low price CMP sells their M-1s, and the nice price they will still command (non-collector grade included) whenever I get tired of shooting them, they'll have been a tremendous value and bargain.
Spun and Murky, damn. A 1903 is the one gap in my holdings I'd like to fill, and they got pricey just a few years back (J and G had some recently for under $800, but that's the lowest I've seen in a while).
Iowa Bob, yes, the M-1 hard-core collecting thing seems to center on "correct" parts matching. Totally irrelevant to shooting, of course, in a rifle designed to be mass produced with inter-changeable parts. Whatever. For the low price CMP sells their M-1s, and the nice price they will still command (non-collector grade included) whenever I get tired of shooting them, they'll have been a tremendous value and bargain.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (uyrlv)
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I have no use for .45
I have many thousands of rounds of 9mm which are better round to begin with.
*runs*
I have many thousands of rounds of 9mm which are better round to begin with.
*runs*
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (r9UYA)
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144 Any advice for treating a bucking/flinching/limp-wristing habit? I shoot low and left (right handed) and sometimes FTE. I think the FTEs are from too loose a grip, trying not to death-grip the pistol but ending up holding it too lightly. Then, since it snaps harder with a weak grip, I buck the recoil when squeezing the trigger, which leads to the low-left aim point.
The traditional recommendation is to do a lot of dry fire practice, and to have someone load a few snap caps per magazine so you can see if you jerk the gun when it doesn't fire. But I KNOW I'm jerking, it's not a mystery. And the dry fire doesn't seem to help either; I don't jerk the gun when there's no gun food in it because I know it's not going to go bang and flip around in my hand.
Aside from just practicing more - which I worry might just reinforce bad form - does anyone have some advice on this?
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (y87Qq)
I have a flinch that I have a damn hard time shaking despite decades of shooting. Drives me nuts.
Best thing that's worked for me is to do a mag dump as my first shots. Just fire as fast as I can at the target. Remind myself that the noise and blast won't 'hurt' me. Then, most of the time, I can settle down and try to focus.
Second thing is to shoot more Jeff Cooper style, with my right arm straight and stiff. I seem to do ok with that, though it can be a bit fatiguing for a long shooting session.
The traditional recommendation is to do a lot of dry fire practice, and to have someone load a few snap caps per magazine so you can see if you jerk the gun when it doesn't fire. But I KNOW I'm jerking, it's not a mystery. And the dry fire doesn't seem to help either; I don't jerk the gun when there's no gun food in it because I know it's not going to go bang and flip around in my hand.
Aside from just practicing more - which I worry might just reinforce bad form - does anyone have some advice on this?
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:23 PM (y87Qq)
I have a flinch that I have a damn hard time shaking despite decades of shooting. Drives me nuts.
Best thing that's worked for me is to do a mag dump as my first shots. Just fire as fast as I can at the target. Remind myself that the noise and blast won't 'hurt' me. Then, most of the time, I can settle down and try to focus.
Second thing is to shoot more Jeff Cooper style, with my right arm straight and stiff. I seem to do ok with that, though it can be a bit fatiguing for a long shooting session.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (xJa6I)
168
That happened at a "shoot a machine gun here" shooting range in Arizona, on Hwy. 93 north of Kingman, IIRC. I don't know why they don't, or didn't have dog-leash chains on the barrels of the weapons so that muzzle climb couldn't bring the point of aim back into the enclosure.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
Leashed or not I wouldn't give a 9-year-old girl a submachinegun gun to fire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
Leashed or not I wouldn't give a 9-year-old girl a submachinegun gun to fire.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:35 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:35 PM (nZNJN)
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If the CMP 1911s aren't affordable I am going to pass on buying a rattley old tech pistol of no historical provenience.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 17, 2017 01:35 PM (WbIyz)
171
164 Pistol range on Friday and I observed something interesting. The double-stack pistols with the fat grips have changed the way people shoot now. EVERYONE seems to use a two-handed grip, even on handguns not meant to be so held.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (fA1SL
What gun isn't meant to be used with a two-handed grip? Matchlock pistol?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (fA1SL
What gun isn't meant to be used with a two-handed grip? Matchlock pistol?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:36 PM (NWiLs)
172
Good day morons, off to chores
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 01:36 PM (Bh6pi)
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169 9mm Luger or 9mm kurz?
Better specify when starting the 9mm vs .45ACP flame war.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:35 PM (nZNJN)
Si vis pacem, parabellum.
Better specify when starting the 9mm vs .45ACP flame war.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:35 PM (nZNJN)
Si vis pacem, parabellum.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:36 PM (NWiLs)
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>>>> 131 I've stocked up on things I don't reload, like you. Even for
calibers for which I don't (yet) own a platform - 45 Colt, .223. Even
have the dies for .223. (a sure sign of advanced disease in these
matters)
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (uyrlv)
Good to hear that I'm not the only one who does that!
.
.
.I have almost 1,000 rounds of 22 magnum and not a single gun that shoots that caliber. Maybe one day.
calibers for which I don't (yet) own a platform - 45 Colt, .223. Even
have the dies for .223. (a sure sign of advanced disease in these
matters)
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:20 PM (uyrlv)
Good to hear that I'm not the only one who does that!
.
.
.I have almost 1,000 rounds of 22 magnum and not a single gun that shoots that caliber. Maybe one day.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:37 PM (+Dllb)
175
Exactly, the "here little lady, shoot this" videos are sadistic.
Don't tell me those guys didn't expect a reaction, and when it
smashes into their faces, maybe they didn't expect it to be THAT bad,
but they knew it was going to be something. Or else they wouldn't be
filming. And they wouldn't be allowing such bad form to be used.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 12:44 PM (Pz4pT)
Now, a lady who knows exactly what she is doing is kind of hawt, even it that bolero
https://youtu.be/_ovHGvT4f9k
Don't tell me those guys didn't expect a reaction, and when it
smashes into their faces, maybe they didn't expect it to be THAT bad,
but they knew it was going to be something. Or else they wouldn't be
filming. And they wouldn't be allowing such bad form to be used.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2017 12:44 PM (Pz4pT)
Now, a lady who knows exactly what she is doing is kind of hawt, even it that bolero
https://youtu.be/_ovHGvT4f9k
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 01:38 PM (2K6fY)
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Mark Andrew Edwars @ 113 -
I own several .22LR semi-auto pistols, including the Ruger Mk III 22/45 and the S-and-W Victory. I don't have a problem with the Victory's ergonomics. It is orders of magnitude easier to break down and re-assemble.
Ruger has supposedly fixed this issue with the Mark IV.
Anyway, I spent a day running various brands of ammo thru them. The most reliable were CCI MMini-Mag, Winchester Super, and Remington Golden. YMMV.
I hope this has helped.
I own several .22LR semi-auto pistols, including the Ruger Mk III 22/45 and the S-and-W Victory. I don't have a problem with the Victory's ergonomics. It is orders of magnitude easier to break down and re-assemble.
Ruger has supposedly fixed this issue with the Mark IV.
Anyway, I spent a day running various brands of ammo thru them. The most reliable were CCI MMini-Mag, Winchester Super, and Remington Golden. YMMV.
I hope this has helped.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 01:38 PM (hXu8T)
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The CMP isn't out of Garands. What they are out of is Garands that are ready to go, since they sell faster than the armorers can inspect and prep them from the huge piles of them out back. in the warehouse.
Is that pile as big as it was a few years ago? No. Plenty of enterprising souls order their eight a year and flip six of them to those folks who don't want to jump through the hoops and wait. But there are the ones coming back in from the Philippines, a Trump Administration will hopefully open the door to the Korea guns, whether they go to CMP or a civilian importer, and there is a rumor of 55,000 of them still in the crates in a friendly Middle Eastern nation. CMP has been getting by on ex-military aid return guns for years. Danish, Norwegian, Italian, Turkish... hell, with the thaw in Vietnam relations, God knows what's laying around there.
As for the 1911s, these will be the first GI 1911A1s released for sale since the never to be sufficiently damned for his many sins Lyndon Johnson slammed the door on the old DCM selling them in 1968. Well, not counting the 900 or so the Marines returned to Colt off the M45 contract, or the handful of STIs that 1st SFOD-Delta returned to STI and they resold. Still. These are rare birds with a few wars under their belt, and even though the depot process might have scrambled any original guns, the UNITED STATES PROPERTY marking still draws a crowd.
Is that pile as big as it was a few years ago? No. Plenty of enterprising souls order their eight a year and flip six of them to those folks who don't want to jump through the hoops and wait. But there are the ones coming back in from the Philippines, a Trump Administration will hopefully open the door to the Korea guns, whether they go to CMP or a civilian importer, and there is a rumor of 55,000 of them still in the crates in a friendly Middle Eastern nation. CMP has been getting by on ex-military aid return guns for years. Danish, Norwegian, Italian, Turkish... hell, with the thaw in Vietnam relations, God knows what's laying around there.
As for the 1911s, these will be the first GI 1911A1s released for sale since the never to be sufficiently damned for his many sins Lyndon Johnson slammed the door on the old DCM selling them in 1968. Well, not counting the 900 or so the Marines returned to Colt off the M45 contract, or the handful of STIs that 1st SFOD-Delta returned to STI and they resold. Still. These are rare birds with a few wars under their belt, and even though the depot process might have scrambled any original guns, the UNITED STATES PROPERTY marking still draws a crowd.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at December 17, 2017 01:38 PM (2kD+f)
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hogmartin, low/left is the standard right-handed shooter's error with semi-autos. I've got it too.
Imsomniac's advice is sound. And look up "diagnostic target" online. If you haven't seen them, they are bullseye targets annotated with the most common cause of error, with the reason written in the slice of the "pie" where the errant shots go. Too much finger on trigger is I think identified as a cause for shooting left of aim-point, for example.
Anyway, get/print out one of those targets, shoot it, and see what it says. And dry firing - using the correct tension grip, as Insomniac says - is probably still worth doing (says someone who rarely dry-fires ......).
Imsomniac's advice is sound. And look up "diagnostic target" online. If you haven't seen them, they are bullseye targets annotated with the most common cause of error, with the reason written in the slice of the "pie" where the errant shots go. Too much finger on trigger is I think identified as a cause for shooting left of aim-point, for example.
Anyway, get/print out one of those targets, shoot it, and see what it says. And dry firing - using the correct tension grip, as Insomniac says - is probably still worth doing (says someone who rarely dry-fires ......).
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:39 PM (uyrlv)
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156 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:14 PM (xJa6I)
Is that the Thunderbolt .22 stuff? I've had some hilariously awful experiences with it. Like $10 for 450 rounds but maybe 1/3 of them will fire and none will cycle. Then, two months later, they go on sale again and I buy another box because I make bad decisions and do not learn from my mistakes.
The Ruger MkII Government Target always fired and cycled the CCI in the little plastic tray with the sliding top without complaint. YMMV.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:29 PM (y87Qq)
I may have to go to gunbroker to find a MK II, other morons have suggested it to me, too. My MK IV won't group worth a shit...my Glocks outshoot it.
Nah, these aren't thunderbolts, just the generic Remington 'Bucket of Bullets'. Like $100 for 1600 rounds in a white tub.
Is that the Thunderbolt .22 stuff? I've had some hilariously awful experiences with it. Like $10 for 450 rounds but maybe 1/3 of them will fire and none will cycle. Then, two months later, they go on sale again and I buy another box because I make bad decisions and do not learn from my mistakes.
The Ruger MkII Government Target always fired and cycled the CCI in the little plastic tray with the sliding top without complaint. YMMV.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:29 PM (y87Qq)
I may have to go to gunbroker to find a MK II, other morons have suggested it to me, too. My MK IV won't group worth a shit...my Glocks outshoot it.
Nah, these aren't thunderbolts, just the generic Remington 'Bucket of Bullets'. Like $100 for 1600 rounds in a white tub.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:39 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:39 PM (fA1SL)
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Iowa Bob, yes, rarity is the reason Winchesters/IHCs are more
"collectible". And some indescribable value connected to the Winchester
name, and the IHCs because "tractor gun", and, I think, the last run of
M-1s made.
Like you, I'm mostly a shooter. Have managed, somewhat by chance,
to have a sort of hybrid "collectible shooter's" group of guns, both
long and handgun. So most people say "you shoot that! put it away!"
for some things. But if I were a classic car buff I'd be the kind that
drives my cars all the time. Like to use these cool little toys.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (uyrlv)
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I wish more collectors were like you. Those ultra rare guns you see Ian examine at RIA and JJA DESERVE to be shot, if only once or twice a year.
Iowa Bob, yes, rarity is the reason Winchesters/IHCs are more
"collectible". And some indescribable value connected to the Winchester
name, and the IHCs because "tractor gun", and, I think, the last run of
M-1s made.
Like you, I'm mostly a shooter. Have managed, somewhat by chance,
to have a sort of hybrid "collectible shooter's" group of guns, both
long and handgun. So most people say "you shoot that! put it away!"
for some things. But if I were a classic car buff I'd be the kind that
drives my cars all the time. Like to use these cool little toys.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:16 PM (uyrlv)
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I wish more collectors were like you. Those ultra rare guns you see Ian examine at RIA and JJA DESERVE to be shot, if only once or twice a year.
Posted by: Jackal at December 17, 2017 01:40 PM (o3+fQ)
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If the buyer has a valid firearms permit then that permit number plus expiration date can be entered on one page of the Form 4473 and the NICS is bypassed.
In most, but not all, states.
http://bit.ly/2CrnPs5
In most, but not all, states.
http://bit.ly/2CrnPs5
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 17, 2017 01:41 PM (WbIyz)
183
Now, a lady who knows exactly what she is doing is kind of hawt, even it that bolero
https://youtu.be/_ovHGvT4f9k
Does she eat the tanks she kills with that thing?
https://youtu.be/_ovHGvT4f9k
Does she eat the tanks she kills with that thing?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at December 17, 2017 01:41 PM (IcT7t)
184
176 Mark Andrew Edwars @ 113 -
I own several .22LR semi-auto pistols, including the Ruger Mk III 22/45 and the S-and-W Victory. I don't have a problem with the Victory's ergonomics. It is orders of magnitude easier to break down and re-assemble.
Ruger has supposedly fixed this issue with the Mark IV.
Anyway, I spent a day running various brands of ammo thru them. The most reliable were CCI MMini-Mag, Winchester Super, and Remington Golden. YMMV.
I hope this has helped.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 01:38 PM (hXu8T)
Thanks man.
Yeah, I"m buying a bunch of CCI target ammo now.
I own several .22LR semi-auto pistols, including the Ruger Mk III 22/45 and the S-and-W Victory. I don't have a problem with the Victory's ergonomics. It is orders of magnitude easier to break down and re-assemble.
Ruger has supposedly fixed this issue with the Mark IV.
Anyway, I spent a day running various brands of ammo thru them. The most reliable were CCI MMini-Mag, Winchester Super, and Remington Golden. YMMV.
I hope this has helped.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 01:38 PM (hXu8T)
Thanks man.
Yeah, I"m buying a bunch of CCI target ammo now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:41 PM (xJa6I)
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Imsomniac's advice is sound. And look up "diagnostic target" online. If you haven't seen them, they are bullseye targets annotated with the most common cause of error, with the reason written in the slice of the "pie" where the errant shots go. Too much finger on trigger is I think identified as a cause for shooting left of aim-point, for example.
Also known as the "Shooter's Wheel of Misery." It's a very useful tool.
Also known as the "Shooter's Wheel of Misery." It's a very useful tool.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:42 PM (NWiLs)
186
Goid to see my WorkBan is still in place.
Damn shame - nice little The Gunslinger reference lost.
Damn shame - nice little The Gunslinger reference lost.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 17, 2017 01:43 PM (JpIFY)
187
Local firearm licensing is used to prove that only government can solve problems. Case 1: Say you are an abused woman that is lucky enough to get a restraining order. And lucky enough that the police get to you before your ex kills you. TADA, big government worked. Case 2: To all the other women that died because they waited on a cop to finish his donut and coffee, acceptable collateral damage to prove cops work in Case 1.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 01:43 PM (BtQd4)
188
Nah, these aren't thunderbolts, just the generic Remington 'Bucket of Bullets'. Like $100 for 1600 rounds in a white tub.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Outrageous highway robbery.
I still have boxes of 550 rounds from WM for $9.88.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Outrageous highway robbery.
I still have boxes of 550 rounds from WM for $9.88.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:43 PM (CeVa5)
189
How about Capitalized Punishment for those convicted of gun or ammo theft?
Posted by: Burger Chef at December 17, 2017 01:44 PM (RuIsu)
190
Col. Kurtz adds good info on CMP. But I think the only Garands relevant in that discussion are US govt-owned ones still located overseas (lent to allied govts. over the years) - those are the only ones CMP gets from DOD and then sells.
To each their own, but I also have little interest in the CMP 1911s to come. Love my 1911, plan to get one or two more some time, but the CMP pistols hold no particular appeal for me.
To each their own, but I also have little interest in the CMP 1911s to come. Love my 1911, plan to get one or two more some time, but the CMP pistols hold no particular appeal for me.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:44 PM (uyrlv)
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.I have almost 1,000 rounds of 22 magnum and not a single gun that shoots that caliber. Maybe one day.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
CZ makes a nice 22mag
.I have almost 1,000 rounds of 22 magnum and not a single gun that shoots that caliber. Maybe one day.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
CZ makes a nice 22mag
Posted by: Jean at December 17, 2017 01:44 PM (AJWHw)
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171. Most of the older military sidearms, if you review the training materials. Given the intended and most common distances for combat shooting with them, there's neither time nor need for that. And the narrow grips on most of them preclude it, in any case. For myself, two-handed grip when the weapon is fat, but otherwise, one hand.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:44 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 01:45 PM (8gDQu)
194
The Remington 550 round brick of .22LR is up around $27.
The 1400 round bucket of .22LR, when it shows up, is about $77.
The 1400 round bucket of .22LR, when it shows up, is about $77.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:45 PM (nZNJN)
195
171 164 Pistol range on Friday and I observed something interesting. The double-stack pistols with the fat grips have changed the way people shoot now. EVERYONE seems to use a two-handed grip, even on handguns not meant to be so held.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (fA1SL
What gun isn't meant to be used with a two-handed grip? Matchlock pistol?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:36 PM (NWiLs)
Most revolvers, I guess.
It's one reason I don't really enjoy shooting revolvers, except my S&W Model 10. And my Vaquero.
I'm so used to two-handed grips, most revolvers feel strange and uncomfortable.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:34 PM (fA1SL
What gun isn't meant to be used with a two-handed grip? Matchlock pistol?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:36 PM (NWiLs)
Most revolvers, I guess.
It's one reason I don't really enjoy shooting revolvers, except my S&W Model 10. And my Vaquero.
I'm so used to two-handed grips, most revolvers feel strange and uncomfortable.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:45 PM (xJa6I)
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Oh wait, Winchester sells a 550 round brick. Remington a 500 round brick. Also started to see a 525 round Federal brick of .22LR.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:46 PM (nZNJN)
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194 The Remington 550 round brick of .22LR is up around $27.
The 1400 round bucket of .22LR, when it shows up, is about $77.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:45 PM (nZNJN)
Ah, I over paid then. The bucket has the price tag on the lid still. Ah well, could be worse.
The 1400 round bucket of .22LR, when it shows up, is about $77.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:45 PM (nZNJN)
Ah, I over paid then. The bucket has the price tag on the lid still. Ah well, could be worse.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:46 PM (xJa6I)
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Insomniac @ 171 - The original manual of arms for the 1911 was a one handed grip. You can probably find a WWII training film at the Tube of You.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 01:47 PM (hXu8T)
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What other special version names are ironic, sardonic, or lacedemonian?
"Bunt Line"?
The "buntline" is named after Ned Buntline, a marksman of the later 19th century.
Both the "officers'" model 1911 and the "tanker" Garand are civilian mods, I believe. Maybe the M1 variant was an experimental model that never saw service, I can't recall.
Can't say what the deal with the Lugers was, but the long-barreled variants might very well have been issued in lieu of longarms for a service that rarely needed to fire a shoulder weapon and needed something that wouldn't get in the way. A long-barreled pistol might have been an attempt to make a weapon that had the portability of a pistol but, particularly when combined with the wooden holster that doubled as a take-down shoulder stock, had the range of a carbine. Seems a little pricy for issue to rear-echelon unit, though.
What other special version names are ironic, sardonic, or lacedemonian?
"Bunt Line"?
The "buntline" is named after Ned Buntline, a marksman of the later 19th century.
Both the "officers'" model 1911 and the "tanker" Garand are civilian mods, I believe. Maybe the M1 variant was an experimental model that never saw service, I can't recall.
Can't say what the deal with the Lugers was, but the long-barreled variants might very well have been issued in lieu of longarms for a service that rarely needed to fire a shoulder weapon and needed something that wouldn't get in the way. A long-barreled pistol might have been an attempt to make a weapon that had the portability of a pistol but, particularly when combined with the wooden holster that doubled as a take-down shoulder stock, had the range of a carbine. Seems a little pricy for issue to rear-echelon unit, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 01:48 PM (bZ7mE)
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Count me among the lucky ones who must renew.
I will not mention my displeasure with this, nor any of the other little treats Gunner has dropped on us.
Doing do would result in permanent banning, such is the depth of disgust.
I DO enjoy posting here.
Count me among the lucky ones who must renew.
I will not mention my displeasure with this, nor any of the other little treats Gunner has dropped on us.
Doing do would result in permanent banning, such is the depth of disgust.
I DO enjoy posting here.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 17, 2017 01:49 PM (S/hVx)
201
Better specify when starting the 9mm vs .45ACP flame war.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:35 PM (nZNJN)
9 x 23 Largo/Steyr/Bergmann [/grumble]
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:35 PM (nZNJN)
9 x 23 Largo/Steyr/Bergmann [/grumble]
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 01:49 PM (2K6fY)
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*re-post*
AoSHQ Prayer List
rickl- Lung cancer.
redc1c4- General Health. Would like to be healthy enough to look for a j*b.
Abby- Father has passed. Children have ex-communicated.
Carol- Her Brother's eventual passing.
kbdabear- Mother's dementia.
CaliGirl- Mom's boyfriend Arthur has cancer.
Hrothgar- Lost Son in accident.
Ritabootoo- Passed Friday, December 8th. Prayers for Family and Friends. Frequenter of the Pet Thread and our beloved friend.
Fenelon Spoke- Healing for my son and ability to pay healthcare bills.
RedMindBlueState- Cousin Agnes has passed. Prayers for her friends and Family. If you could add her husband Mel, who has Parkinson's and moved into assisted living now without his wife, to the list, I'd appreciate it.
Dr. Strangepork- Friend may have had a stroke.
Bebe's boobs destroy- Former co-worker's four year-old has cancer.
Mindful webworker- Wife's health due to longstanding issues.
ibguy- Sister's brain cancer, (gioblastoma).
pookysgirl- Husband's suicide attempt and mental health.
Jade Sea- Husband's cancer
Moron Pundit- Father-in-law's heart surgery.
junior- Employment
Duke Lowell- Son in need of healing.
Miley- Future employment, big move, Mother's cellulitis of leg.
Captain Whitebread- Mother's health and stable employment.
Jinx- Mother's passing.
Emmie- Continued relationship with Daughter.
Vic- Return of cancer.
ReneeTX- Terminal brain cancer.
Booknlass- Relationship with Daughter.
Just wondering- Sister, Lisa, has a brain tumor.
Christopher Taylor- Health and depression.
Lin-duh fell- My FIL passed away 9/27/17. Could use the prayers for my husband finding a job.
Blacksheep- Stage 2 prostate cancer.
Weirddave and Gingy- Gingy's father passing away.
Alexthechick- Father's dementia.
Molly K- Niece killed by elderly driver.
Donna V- Bills to be paid and an alcoholic Brother.
Gushka- Infection after being bitten by her horse. Her friends' mental health after returning from battle.
TonyPete- Friends' terminal diagnosis, Wife's, (Renee), terminal illness.
bergerbuilder- Multiple strokes, out of hospital at end of September.
Chi- Friend's passing, (Lewis), after battle with cancer.
huerfano- Father's recovery from heart failure.
The Oort Cloud- Thalassemia, genetic blood disorder, complicated my hemolytic anemia. "Given" two years by doctor.
Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing- Job issues.
Hopped up on Something- Immediate Family member with cancer. Bone pain without opioids, Hospital Policy.
Publius- Father's health. Rheumatoid arthritis, severe pain during flare-ups. Stamina, in general.
Cannibal Bob- Two brothers in law. 1. Brain tumor hospice soon.
2. Just diagnosed cancer around heart and in aorta. Biopsy taken. Stage 3.
3. Cousin just completed 5 rounds of chemo for cancer in abdomen. Reoccurance from many years ago.
Insomniac- 1) That my autoimmune disorder will stay under control. 2) That the work situation I have will continue to come together and grow.
Oregon Muse- Shoulder replacement and recovery.
Slapweasel- Father's dementia and Mother's attitude.
Jane D'oh- My husband's elderly aunt, (89), who was admitted to the hospital 11/20/17 with pneumonia. She has COPD, is a lung cancer survivor. Jane broke her foot, prayer for resolve and healing.
USNtakim- My MIL, (73), is going in for surgery 11/22/17 for bowel re-sectioning. Please pray for her and her family.
Iron Mike Golf- My grandsons. Safety and peace for them.
Cheri- Lost Son, (21), in February to hiking accident.
Teresa in Ft. Worth- Lost Daughter, (26) to suicide on September 7th.
Alf767- Employment. 60 y.o. ex-pilot in aviation industry.
Backwards Boy- B'Gal has Congestive heart failure, COPD, scleroderma and arthritis.
Northernlurker- Money issues, does NOT want to dip into investments.
Dang- Esophageal cancer. Starting radiation and chemo week of 11/26/17.
westminsterdogshow- Best friend's Mom, Marge suffered a seizure/stroke. 12/1/17.
Methos- (12/12/17) Mother has Alzheimers and friend Herb died shortly before Thanksgiving, leaving a wife with unspecified memory issues and three adult children.
LCMS Rulz!- (12/12/17) 1) Advancing dementia in my Mother-in-Law: we're going to have to move her all-too-soon;
2) Praise and Glory be for the near simultaneous cancer healings among three of my in-laws.
Michael the Texan- (12/12/17) Difficult divorce from longtime physically abusive wife. Please pray for my wife, too, as this divorce will leave her with much less financial freedom.
Elisabeth- (12/12/17) Chronic stress from my perpetually low income is worsening my known autoimmune problems and probably some that haven't yet been diagnosed, and I've just started my fifth course of antibiotics for a recurrent sinus infection and nothing I've tried to improve my income situation (finding a better job, asking for a raise, selling my work, finding cheaper housing) has worked. Plus, I need new glasses but can't afford the eye exam.
Redinabluestate- (12/12/17) Prostate cancer.
Physics Geek- (12/12/17) Both my mother and stepdad (divorced and not together) are suffering from dementia, with my stepfather's case being somewhat further along.
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AoSHQ Prayer List
rickl- Lung cancer.
redc1c4- General Health. Would like to be healthy enough to look for a j*b.
Abby- Father has passed. Children have ex-communicated.
Carol- Her Brother's eventual passing.
kbdabear- Mother's dementia.
CaliGirl- Mom's boyfriend Arthur has cancer.
Hrothgar- Lost Son in accident.
Ritabootoo- Passed Friday, December 8th. Prayers for Family and Friends. Frequenter of the Pet Thread and our beloved friend.
Fenelon Spoke- Healing for my son and ability to pay healthcare bills.
RedMindBlueState- Cousin Agnes has passed. Prayers for her friends and Family. If you could add her husband Mel, who has Parkinson's and moved into assisted living now without his wife, to the list, I'd appreciate it.
Dr. Strangepork- Friend may have had a stroke.
Bebe's boobs destroy- Former co-worker's four year-old has cancer.
Mindful webworker- Wife's health due to longstanding issues.
ibguy- Sister's brain cancer, (gioblastoma).
pookysgirl- Husband's suicide attempt and mental health.
Jade Sea- Husband's cancer
Moron Pundit- Father-in-law's heart surgery.
junior- Employment
Duke Lowell- Son in need of healing.
Miley- Future employment, big move, Mother's cellulitis of leg.
Captain Whitebread- Mother's health and stable employment.
Jinx- Mother's passing.
Emmie- Continued relationship with Daughter.
Vic- Return of cancer.
ReneeTX- Terminal brain cancer.
Booknlass- Relationship with Daughter.
Just wondering- Sister, Lisa, has a brain tumor.
Christopher Taylor- Health and depression.
Lin-duh fell- My FIL passed away 9/27/17. Could use the prayers for my husband finding a job.
Blacksheep- Stage 2 prostate cancer.
Weirddave and Gingy- Gingy's father passing away.
Alexthechick- Father's dementia.
Molly K- Niece killed by elderly driver.
Donna V- Bills to be paid and an alcoholic Brother.
Gushka- Infection after being bitten by her horse. Her friends' mental health after returning from battle.
TonyPete- Friends' terminal diagnosis, Wife's, (Renee), terminal illness.
bergerbuilder- Multiple strokes, out of hospital at end of September.
Chi- Friend's passing, (Lewis), after battle with cancer.
huerfano- Father's recovery from heart failure.
The Oort Cloud- Thalassemia, genetic blood disorder, complicated my hemolytic anemia. "Given" two years by doctor.
Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing- Job issues.
Hopped up on Something- Immediate Family member with cancer. Bone pain without opioids, Hospital Policy.
Publius- Father's health. Rheumatoid arthritis, severe pain during flare-ups. Stamina, in general.
Cannibal Bob- Two brothers in law. 1. Brain tumor hospice soon.
2. Just diagnosed cancer around heart and in aorta. Biopsy taken. Stage 3.
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Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 01:49 PM (Ckg4U)
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maybe over paid again. Just paid $90 + shipping for 1k of .22 CCI target ammo.
Ah well again. At least they have it for sale. I remember the drought last few years quite vividly.
Ah well again. At least they have it for sale. I remember the drought last few years quite vividly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 01:50 PM (xJa6I)
204
What gun isn't meant to be used with a two-handed grip? Matchlock pistol?
Every pistol made before the 1970s, I think. Two-handed shooting of the "one-hand gun" is something very new, firearms-wise.
Every pistol made before the 1970s, I think. Two-handed shooting of the "one-hand gun" is something very new, firearms-wise.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 01:51 PM (bZ7mE)
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..."I DO enjoy posting here."
-Posted by: irongrampa at December 17, 2017 01:49 PM (S/hVx)
And I enjoy your posts.
-Thank You.
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And I enjoy your posts.
-Thank You.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 01:51 PM (Ckg4U)
206
138
I have my Dad's surplus 1911 that he bought through the NRA in the
early 60s. He paid $14.00 for it and $11.00 for the 03-A3. I have that
one, too.
Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 17, 2017 01:22 PM (4DCSq)
You used to could get a Sporterized 03-A3 from Sears in the early 60s for $70. My uncle bought one. Both me and my little brother have asked him what he did with it. he doesn't remember but he doesn't have it any more.
I have my Dad's surplus 1911 that he bought through the NRA in the
early 60s. He paid $14.00 for it and $11.00 for the 03-A3. I have that
one, too.
Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 17, 2017 01:22 PM (4DCSq)
You used to could get a Sporterized 03-A3 from Sears in the early 60s for $70. My uncle bought one. Both me and my little brother have asked him what he did with it. he doesn't remember but he doesn't have it any more.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 01:51 PM (mpXpK)
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Si vis pacem, parabellum.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:36 PM (NWiLs)
Nah, see the Radom p.35 Vis was designed for 9mm Parabellum
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:36 PM (NWiLs)
Nah, see the Radom p.35 Vis was designed for 9mm Parabellum
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 01:51 PM (2K6fY)
208
We can just write a new 2nd amendment? I never knew that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 01:45 PM (8gDQu)
I like that idea.
Here's mine: The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed by any government entity, nor shall it be restricted by private persons, being that the inalienable right to defense supersedes all other rights.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 01:45 PM (8gDQu)
I like that idea.
Here's mine: The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed by any government entity, nor shall it be restricted by private persons, being that the inalienable right to defense supersedes all other rights.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 01:52 PM (wYseH)
209
I would be tempted by the CMP 1911s but have 45acp in other guns. And frankly, I get the best accuracy with the round in the 45acp cylinder that came with my old Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 01:52 PM (V+03K)
210
maybe over paid again. Just paid $90 + shipping for 1k of .22 CCI target ammo.
Ah well again. At least they have it for sale. I remember the drought last few years quite vividly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Exactly. Stock up with as much as you can.
Ah well again. At least they have it for sale. I remember the drought last few years quite vividly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Exactly. Stock up with as much as you can.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 01:52 PM (CeVa5)
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Thanks for the advice, guys. Yes, I did check out the quadrant target - I'm at 6:30 to 8:00 which is spot-on for jerking the trigger and squeezing the grip, consistent with the other bad habits I've noticed.
I'll look up the push-pull grip and give it a try. The RSO during my last range trip gave me two tips:
- steady the front of the trigger guard with the left trigger finger
- stack the thumbs on the left side of the gun, pointed at the target, below the slide, instead of crossing them
I couldn't tell if they helped any, and they felt unnatural, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If my current technique is flawed, then getting used to a different one should FEEL different. I'll keep those up and see how it works out.
(It's a double-stack H and K VP9 tactical, Uncle Palp, two hands are allowed on this one)
I'll look up the push-pull grip and give it a try. The RSO during my last range trip gave me two tips:
- steady the front of the trigger guard with the left trigger finger
- stack the thumbs on the left side of the gun, pointed at the target, below the slide, instead of crossing them
I couldn't tell if they helped any, and they felt unnatural, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If my current technique is flawed, then getting used to a different one should FEEL different. I'll keep those up and see how it works out.
(It's a double-stack H and K VP9 tactical, Uncle Palp, two hands are allowed on this one)
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:52 PM (y87Qq)
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198 Insomniac @ 171 - The original manual of arms for the 1911 was a one handed grip. You can probably find a WWII training film at the Tube of You.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 01:47 PM (hXu8T)
Once upon a time but modern pistol doctrine is primary training with a two-hand grip.
Posted by: Butch at December 17, 2017 01:47 PM (hXu8T)
Once upon a time but modern pistol doctrine is primary training with a two-hand grip.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:52 PM (NWiLs)
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207. So, too, was the CZ52 - they had to re-jigger it to fire the 7.62 Tok. There were/are barrel kits to allow the use of 9mm Luger in the thing
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:53 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 01:54 PM (uyrlv)
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I practice using 1 and 2 hands with my revolver, same as with my 1911
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 01:54 PM (aC6Sd)
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212 Once upon a time but modern pistol doctrine is primary training with a two-hand grip.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:52 PM (NWiLs)
I think most people use the Weaver grip now. I do.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 01:52 PM (NWiLs)
I think most people use the Weaver grip now. I do.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 17, 2017 01:55 PM (mpXpK)
217
I have almost 1,000 rounds of 22 magnum and not a single gun that shoots that caliber. Maybe one day.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:37 PM
Savage makes a pretty nice, reasonably priced .22 WMR bolt gun. It has a good trigger and, with a decent scope, is very accurate...and fun.
I have almost 1,000 rounds of 22 magnum and not a single gun that shoots that caliber. Maybe one day.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:37 PM
Savage makes a pretty nice, reasonably priced .22 WMR bolt gun. It has a good trigger and, with a decent scope, is very accurate...and fun.
Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 17, 2017 01:55 PM (4DCSq)
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There is no law against online ammo sales to MA. You just need to hold a state FID or LTC. The 'ban' was based on illegal threats by AGs to retailers. Targetsports just called bully AG Healey's bluff and told her pound sand. They will ship to MA license holders and are ready to battle in court to continue to do so.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 17, 2017 01:55 PM (5Kf7w)
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Both the "officers'" model 1911 and the "tanker" Garand are civilian mods, I believe.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 01:48 PM (bZ7mE)
I don't know about the Officer's 1911 but concur on the "tanker" Garand. I don't think they existed outside Shotgun News in the 1980s. I have a few books on the M1 development and deployment and none of them mention a short version.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 01:48 PM (bZ7mE)
I don't know about the Officer's 1911 but concur on the "tanker" Garand. I don't think they existed outside Shotgun News in the 1980s. I have a few books on the M1 development and deployment and none of them mention a short version.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 17, 2017 01:57 PM (y87Qq)
220
177
The CMP isn't out of Garands. What they are out of is Garands that are
ready to go, since they sell faster than the armorers can inspect and
prep them from the huge piles of them out back. in the warehouse.
Is
that pile as big as it was a few years ago? No. Plenty of enterprising
souls order their eight a year and flip six of them to those folks who
don't want to jump through the hoops and wait. But there are the ones
coming back in from the Philippines, a Trump Administration will
hopefully open the door to the Korea guns, whether they go to CMP or a
civilian importer, and there is a rumor of 55,000 of them still in the
crates in a friendly Middle Eastern nation. CMP has been getting by on
ex-military aid return guns for years. Danish, Norwegian, Italian,
Turkish... hell, with the thaw in Vietnam relations, God knows what's
laying around there.
As for the 1911s, these will be the first
GI 1911A1s released for sale since the never to be sufficiently damned
for his many sins Lyndon Johnson slammed the door on the old DCM selling
them in 1968. Well, not counting the 900 or so the Marines returned to
Colt off the M45 contract, or the handful of STIs that 1st SFOD-Delta
returned to STI and they resold. Still. These are rare birds with a few
wars under their belt, and even though the depot process might have
scrambled any original guns, the UNITED STATES PROPERTY marking still
draws a crowd.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at December 17, 2017 01:38 PM (2kD+f)
=================I'd bet the Vietnamese have more than a few M3 grease guns and M1 Carbines in storage. That was what the local Militias we trained were equipped with.
The CMP isn't out of Garands. What they are out of is Garands that are
ready to go, since they sell faster than the armorers can inspect and
prep them from the huge piles of them out back. in the warehouse.
Is
that pile as big as it was a few years ago? No. Plenty of enterprising
souls order their eight a year and flip six of them to those folks who
don't want to jump through the hoops and wait. But there are the ones
coming back in from the Philippines, a Trump Administration will
hopefully open the door to the Korea guns, whether they go to CMP or a
civilian importer, and there is a rumor of 55,000 of them still in the
crates in a friendly Middle Eastern nation. CMP has been getting by on
ex-military aid return guns for years. Danish, Norwegian, Italian,
Turkish... hell, with the thaw in Vietnam relations, God knows what's
laying around there.
As for the 1911s, these will be the first
GI 1911A1s released for sale since the never to be sufficiently damned
for his many sins Lyndon Johnson slammed the door on the old DCM selling
them in 1968. Well, not counting the 900 or so the Marines returned to
Colt off the M45 contract, or the handful of STIs that 1st SFOD-Delta
returned to STI and they resold. Still. These are rare birds with a few
wars under their belt, and even though the depot process might have
scrambled any original guns, the UNITED STATES PROPERTY marking still
draws a crowd.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at December 17, 2017 01:38 PM (2kD+f)
=================I'd bet the Vietnamese have more than a few M3 grease guns and M1 Carbines in storage. That was what the local Militias we trained were equipped with.
Posted by: Jackal at December 17, 2017 01:58 PM (o3+fQ)
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Also started to see a 525 round Federal brick of .22LR.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:46 PM (nZNJN)
Those are appearing back in Walmarts, again. They were gone for YEARS. But you still have to be fast to get them. They come in and disappear faster than a MUMR comment. I think the last I saw the Federal 525 box was around $18 or something like that.
But they tend to have the other 22s in stock pretty regularly. They are all more, though and tend to run about 5 or 6 cents/round, which is still a bit pricey.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 17, 2017 01:46 PM (nZNJN)
Those are appearing back in Walmarts, again. They were gone for YEARS. But you still have to be fast to get them. They come in and disappear faster than a MUMR comment. I think the last I saw the Federal 525 box was around $18 or something like that.
But they tend to have the other 22s in stock pretty regularly. They are all more, though and tend to run about 5 or 6 cents/round, which is still a bit pricey.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 01:58 PM (8gDQu)
222
Legal Insurrection- 2mil 'Dreamers' are going to cost taxpayers 25.9 Billion and will bring in a additional 80,000 immigrants with them ($12,950) CBO report
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 01:58 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: geoffb at December 17, 2017 01:58 PM (zOpu5)
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213
207. So, too, was the CZ52 - they had to re-jigger it to fire the 7.62
Tok. There were/are barrel kits to allow the use of 9mm Luger in the
thing
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:53 PM (fA1SL)
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The Soviets did the same thing when they cloned the Suomi's drum for the PPSh. It didn't really work all that well. The mags weren't really interchangable.
207. So, too, was the CZ52 - they had to re-jigger it to fire the 7.62
Tok. There were/are barrel kits to allow the use of 9mm Luger in the
thing
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 01:53 PM (fA1SL)
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The Soviets did the same thing when they cloned the Suomi's drum for the PPSh. It didn't really work all that well. The mags weren't really interchangable.
Posted by: Jackal at December 17, 2017 02:00 PM (o3+fQ)
225
not a single gun that shoots that caliber"
Try one of the Heritage revolvers. If you can't have fun with one, well...
Try one of the Heritage revolvers. If you can't have fun with one, well...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 02:00 PM (MINbv)
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I'm quite confident that no officer in the United States military has ever been issued an "officers' model" 1911. The shorty 1911 was developed a CCW civilian weapon and given the name as a marketing gimmick, I think, possibly because of a hazy cultural memory of officers' fusils (smaller, lighter muskets) and similar scaled down weapons from back in the old days.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 02:01 PM (bZ7mE)
227
President Trump needs to do an EO that states if you have to make a federal income tax payment on April 15, 2018, you get a free 1911 from the CMP for contributing to the moochers and looters in our country.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2017 02:02 PM (EoRCO)
228
Already covered by others - two-handed grip is somewhat "new", and certainly post-dates the design of many classic handguns, including the 1911.
Someone here might know exactly when it changed - one could use military manuals as the proxy for dating the change - but it was post-WWII.
So unlike my Ruger Single Six convertible, with the 22LR and 22Mag cylinders, there is no "penalty" in terms of bore size/fit with the convertible Blackhawks in 357/38 and 45LC/45ACP, right? Because the bore diameters for those pairs, unlike 22LR/22 Mag, are identical?
I forget which 22 has a slightly larger diameter, but the other caliber suffers in accuracy as a result when fired through that bore, I think. Edumucation welcomed here.
Though it's irrelevant to me - I don't hunt with the Single Six, won't with a Blackhawk if I get one, and am infamously content with "practical" accuracy in my shooting.
Someone here might know exactly when it changed - one could use military manuals as the proxy for dating the change - but it was post-WWII.
So unlike my Ruger Single Six convertible, with the 22LR and 22Mag cylinders, there is no "penalty" in terms of bore size/fit with the convertible Blackhawks in 357/38 and 45LC/45ACP, right? Because the bore diameters for those pairs, unlike 22LR/22 Mag, are identical?
I forget which 22 has a slightly larger diameter, but the other caliber suffers in accuracy as a result when fired through that bore, I think. Edumucation welcomed here.
Though it's irrelevant to me - I don't hunt with the Single Six, won't with a Blackhawk if I get one, and am infamously content with "practical" accuracy in my shooting.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:03 PM (uyrlv)
229
this may have been covered in part up thread, but lemme cover a few points.
on line ammo sales to #Failifornia: the CRPA is taking applications from volunteers to be plaintiffs in a suit challenging the new law. i know someone who has submitted theirs. i would volunteer myself, but there's no sense giving the fascists a stereotype plaintiff.
CMP 1911 prices, from a CMP e-mail sent on the 12th:
Concerning sale price of the 1911s:CMP
has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+
years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to
start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced
at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling
legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.
on line ammo sales to #Failifornia: the CRPA is taking applications from volunteers to be plaintiffs in a suit challenging the new law. i know someone who has submitted theirs. i would volunteer myself, but there's no sense giving the fascists a stereotype plaintiff.
CMP 1911 prices, from a CMP e-mail sent on the 12th:
Concerning sale price of the 1911s:CMP
has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+
years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to
start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced
at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling
legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 02:03 PM (TxQUe)
230
.22 prices are pretty much back to pre Obama levels in south Texas - I'm guessing that's due to low price pressure from SOTB...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 02:04 PM (MINbv)
231
I have almost 1,000 rounds of 22 magnum and not a single gun that shoots that caliber. Maybe one day.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:37 PM (+Dllb)
Buy yourself a Kel-Tec PMR-30 ... and few thousand more rounds.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of 22 Mag. I like the round but not the price.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 17, 2017 01:37 PM (+Dllb)
Buy yourself a Kel-Tec PMR-30 ... and few thousand more rounds.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of 22 Mag. I like the round but not the price.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 02:04 PM (8gDQu)
232
The CMP will be pretty proud of those pistols when the price tags go on them.
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$1000 - $1500 is my guess, but we'll see.
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$1000 - $1500 is my guess, but we'll see.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2017 02:04 PM (5OO3x)
233
I bought a garand from the CMP a few years a go and used my C&R. I would go through the paper chase for a 1911 if the price was right. I'm hearing 1000 dollars which is ridiculous considering you can buy a brand new Rock Island for 300 and some bucks.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2017 02:06 PM (cCxiu)
234
221 Those are appearing back in Walmarts, again. They were gone for YEARS. But you still have to be fast to get them.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 01:58 PM (8gDQu)
I don't see a lot of .22 in the local Walmarts, and never the larger boxes. I've had better luck at a couple of sporting goods stores lately, for price and availability.
Also, last week a local farm/ranch store had Winchester Wildcat .22 on sale for 100 rounds (2 boxes) for $5. I bought some, should have cleaned them out at that price.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 01:58 PM (8gDQu)
I don't see a lot of .22 in the local Walmarts, and never the larger boxes. I've had better luck at a couple of sporting goods stores lately, for price and availability.
Also, last week a local farm/ranch store had Winchester Wildcat .22 on sale for 100 rounds (2 boxes) for $5. I bought some, should have cleaned them out at that price.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 02:07 PM (DNH+H)
235
231. I've got one of those - they're hard Yo find, if memory serves. It is a fun little thing - and I suppose it could even be useful in the run-up to Thermos Codpiece times.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:08 PM (fA1SL)
236
The problem with the $500 and below 1911 clones is that they universally use MIM instead of forgings for the smaller parts, and some folks aren't too thrilled with that.
I have a long-term goal of replacing the MIM parts on my Springfield GI with forged, but it isn't a priority right now.
I have a long-term goal of replacing the MIM parts on my Springfield GI with forged, but it isn't a priority right now.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 02:09 PM (bZ7mE)
237
BlueFalcon, that's interesting about TargetSports USA taking on the idiots in MA. Outstanding. Obviously a tiny example of what we need much, much, much more of in the US. Companies that recognize principle and profit often lie in exactly the same direction.
Of course what I'd love to see is a case that correctly strikes down all the ammo laws everywhere as an unreasonable burdening of a right - esp. in light of the comprehensive and also generally useless, but burdensome, background check system.
I know there are somewhat similar cases and good outcomes in collateral matters like availability of shooting ranges and unreasonable restrictions thereof - burdening of a right via limits on associated activities - but have no idea whether that principle might be applied to ammo laws. As it should.
Of course what I'd love to see is a case that correctly strikes down all the ammo laws everywhere as an unreasonable burdening of a right - esp. in light of the comprehensive and also generally useless, but burdensome, background check system.
I know there are somewhat similar cases and good outcomes in collateral matters like availability of shooting ranges and unreasonable restrictions thereof - burdening of a right via limits on associated activities - but have no idea whether that principle might be applied to ammo laws. As it should.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:09 PM (uyrlv)
238
President Trump needs to do an EO that states if you have to make a federal income tax payment on April 15, 2018, you get a free 1911 from the CMP for contributing to the moochers and looters in our country.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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A net real payment, i.e., no 'refunded' credits. In fact, I might consider that the net payment has to be in excess of the 'fair market value'.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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A net real payment, i.e., no 'refunded' credits. In fact, I might consider that the net payment has to be in excess of the 'fair market value'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2017 02:09 PM (w1zJX)
239
Every pistol made before the 1970s, I think. Two-handed shooting of the "one-hand gun" is something very new, firearms-wise.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 01:51 PM (bZ7mE)
The 1911 was designed as a cavalry arm, and was to be used while riding. One of the specifications on the cartridge was that it had to be able to break horse bones and pierce the horse's skull -- as well as do the nasty on people.
Most pistols prior to that were also considered cavalry arms of some sort since officers got them, and officers rode horses. 'Cept maybe the artillery.
Even then, there was a feeling that a pistol was a secondary weapon to the sabre.
The two handed shooting is a modern thing for stability. Starting in the 30's or so there was a lot of interest in snap shooting and combat shooting that tried a number of stances and grips to bring up and stabilize a pistol for that. The old portrayals of the FBI for example showed those exaggerated triangular and hunched over stances, and the whole Fairbairn Shoot to Live are based around that.
Two handed with a revolver can be a problem since the gap between the cylinder and barrel can vent gas and shavings hot and hard enough in a magnum pistol to nearly sever your thumb, and if you have a meaty hand the hammer and slide will bite the web of your thumb even if you don't choke up on it with your other hand or pop your off thumb up high enough to get in the travel of the slide.
I learned what we called "cup and saucer" for that reason, the pistol in one hand and that fist cradled in the palm of your off hand. It gives stability, flexibility if you have to switch sides, and does not hamper you if you wind up in a situation where you have to use one hand.
. . . you know, where you have to carry a machete in your off hand, or you are busy wielding a whip or something
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 01:51 PM (bZ7mE)
The 1911 was designed as a cavalry arm, and was to be used while riding. One of the specifications on the cartridge was that it had to be able to break horse bones and pierce the horse's skull -- as well as do the nasty on people.
Most pistols prior to that were also considered cavalry arms of some sort since officers got them, and officers rode horses. 'Cept maybe the artillery.
Even then, there was a feeling that a pistol was a secondary weapon to the sabre.
The two handed shooting is a modern thing for stability. Starting in the 30's or so there was a lot of interest in snap shooting and combat shooting that tried a number of stances and grips to bring up and stabilize a pistol for that. The old portrayals of the FBI for example showed those exaggerated triangular and hunched over stances, and the whole Fairbairn Shoot to Live are based around that.
Two handed with a revolver can be a problem since the gap between the cylinder and barrel can vent gas and shavings hot and hard enough in a magnum pistol to nearly sever your thumb, and if you have a meaty hand the hammer and slide will bite the web of your thumb even if you don't choke up on it with your other hand or pop your off thumb up high enough to get in the travel of the slide.
I learned what we called "cup and saucer" for that reason, the pistol in one hand and that fist cradled in the palm of your off hand. It gives stability, flexibility if you have to switch sides, and does not hamper you if you wind up in a situation where you have to use one hand.
. . . you know, where you have to carry a machete in your off hand, or you are busy wielding a whip or something
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:10 PM (2K6fY)
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Mildly related (weaponry):
Today is the birthday of Big Kim, Little Kim's father. There has been digging activity at NK's test site, and Kim likes to commemorate daddy.
Kim might fire off another test today. There are concerns about radiation release as prior tests have weakened the mountain test site, causing a cave-in just after the last test.
Today is the birthday of Big Kim, Little Kim's father. There has been digging activity at NK's test site, and Kim likes to commemorate daddy.
Kim might fire off another test today. There are concerns about radiation release as prior tests have weakened the mountain test site, causing a cave-in just after the last test.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:11 PM (3myMJ)
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Joseph Stalin is looking out for the health and welfare of New York residents.
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The more I read about Stalin, especially his own statements, the more I realize that the guy was mostly a blundering thug.
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The more I read about Stalin, especially his own statements, the more I realize that the guy was mostly a blundering thug.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2017 02:12 PM (w1zJX)
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red, as I noted way above, CMP has been leaving substantial amounts of money on the table - defined as selling well below what the going market price is in most places for their M-1s the minute they are delivered - for many years.
Have no idea, but can't imagine CMP charging anything like $1K for 1911s. Their service grade M-1s are, today, $735 delivered. Try finding an M-1 in comparable condition for close to that price, in CA, for example.
Have no idea, but can't imagine CMP charging anything like $1K for 1911s. Their service grade M-1s are, today, $735 delivered. Try finding an M-1 in comparable condition for close to that price, in CA, for example.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:13 PM (uyrlv)
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>>>if you have to make a federal income tax payment on April 15, 2018, you get a free 1911 from the CMP<<<
I usually get a refund. Can I be paid in crated firearms and ammo from a pick list?
I usually get a refund. Can I be paid in crated firearms and ammo from a pick list?
Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2017 02:13 PM (A1FgP)
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You can use a two-handed grip on a revolver, but your thumbs will be tucked down unlike the way you'd grip a semi-auto.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (NWiLs)
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I've got one of those - they're hard Yo find, if memory serves.
For the first few years after they came out they were impossible to find, and when you did find them they were going for a few hundred dollars premium over retail. Kel-Tec could have sold a shitload of them but, for some reason, they like coming out with cool guns and then not supplying anyone with them.
It is a fun little thing - and I suppose it could even be useful in the run-up to Thermos Codpiece times.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:08 PM (fA1SL)
Any pistol with a 30 round mag is awesome. I'm still waiting for someone to come out with a 22 LR pistol with a 40 round mag - which shouldn't be too tough. But ... I think they're scared of the BATF. There's something about 22s that the manufacturers don't want to even try to have mags with capacities greater than 10, which has always been very odd (and it isn't about the rims).
For the first few years after they came out they were impossible to find, and when you did find them they were going for a few hundred dollars premium over retail. Kel-Tec could have sold a shitload of them but, for some reason, they like coming out with cool guns and then not supplying anyone with them.
It is a fun little thing - and I suppose it could even be useful in the run-up to Thermos Codpiece times.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:08 PM (fA1SL)
Any pistol with a 30 round mag is awesome. I'm still waiting for someone to come out with a 22 LR pistol with a 40 round mag - which shouldn't be too tough. But ... I think they're scared of the BATF. There's something about 22s that the manufacturers don't want to even try to have mags with capacities greater than 10, which has always been very odd (and it isn't about the rims).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (8gDQu)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (r9UYA)
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That "Bucket of Bullets" is the round labeled as "Golden Bullet."
Thunderbolts may be nothing to write home about, but them golden bullets are the worst thing I've ever fired, and that's saying a lot...of bad things.
HOWEVER. If you use them only in a revolver or a bolt action, where adequate and uniform rebound pressure is not an issue, they do almost all go off. Don't use them for a damn thing else.
Those CCI's in a plastic sliding-top box, especially the "Standard Velocity," are premium grade everyday shooters. Never seen them squib, fail to cycle, or not go off. And the SV's are uniform enough to be practice ammo for precision.
Ancient dogma vs modern practice and all that, except for shoot-em-ups you can, if you practice that way, shoot as accurately with the isosceles stance as with the Cooper squat. Added advantage, in any hall of Mall Ninjas, when you stand sideways and draw down coolly with one arm, all other activity will stop as the jagoffs jack their jaws up off the range floor.
Thunderbolts may be nothing to write home about, but them golden bullets are the worst thing I've ever fired, and that's saying a lot...of bad things.
HOWEVER. If you use them only in a revolver or a bolt action, where adequate and uniform rebound pressure is not an issue, they do almost all go off. Don't use them for a damn thing else.
Those CCI's in a plastic sliding-top box, especially the "Standard Velocity," are premium grade everyday shooters. Never seen them squib, fail to cycle, or not go off. And the SV's are uniform enough to be practice ammo for precision.
Ancient dogma vs modern practice and all that, except for shoot-em-ups you can, if you practice that way, shoot as accurately with the isosceles stance as with the Cooper squat. Added advantage, in any hall of Mall Ninjas, when you stand sideways and draw down coolly with one arm, all other activity will stop as the jagoffs jack their jaws up off the range floor.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 17, 2017 02:15 PM (H5rtT)
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interesting article on MIM, since i had to look that term up:
http://www.gunnuts.net/2013/03/18/the-truth-about-mim/
http://www.gunnuts.net/2013/03/18/the-truth-about-mim/
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 02:15 PM (TxQUe)
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Paranoid bumbling thug, he went to pieces when Barbarossa hit, secluded himself for a week
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 02:15 PM (aC6Sd)
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Hogmartin, you didn't mention what pistol you're having trouble with. I know that since the onset of my Muscular Dystrophy (over the last seven years or so, and I'm 59) my once-vicelike grip after almost 40 years of carpentry is no longer close to what it was. As a result, the trigger pull on my .45 (a bastard gun, 3.5" Colt officer's barrel in a Daly slide on a full-size Norinco frame) had become too difficult to pull smoothly, so I couldn't use the pad at the tip of my index finger and instead put the trigger in the crook at the base of the pad. This allowed me to jerk on the trigger, predictably giving me the same results as you.
Since a buddy offered to apply a ceramic bake-on finish to my .45 at no charge, I took the opportunity to polish up all the internals, esp the trigger bows and the channels they ride in, the sear spring and disconnector where they meet, and adjusted the sear spring to lower the effort to pull the trigger. Preliminary test fire was much better. You may wish to have a gunsmith give your piece a once-over, to adjust the trigger pull to a more reasonable weight. Exercise can surely help, too; I use a ".45" BB pistol, empty, and just pull the trigger against the spring for a 4-count, over and over. Can't hurt, might help. Lastly, wear foam earplugs inside your earmuffs, and shooting/safety glasses. Even though I've shot thousands of rounds, I sometimes catch myself flinching at the blast, unconsciously, even when I know it's coming and know it won't hurt me. YMMV, but it's something to consider.
Since a buddy offered to apply a ceramic bake-on finish to my .45 at no charge, I took the opportunity to polish up all the internals, esp the trigger bows and the channels they ride in, the sear spring and disconnector where they meet, and adjusted the sear spring to lower the effort to pull the trigger. Preliminary test fire was much better. You may wish to have a gunsmith give your piece a once-over, to adjust the trigger pull to a more reasonable weight. Exercise can surely help, too; I use a ".45" BB pistol, empty, and just pull the trigger against the spring for a 4-count, over and over. Can't hurt, might help. Lastly, wear foam earplugs inside your earmuffs, and shooting/safety glasses. Even though I've shot thousands of rounds, I sometimes catch myself flinching at the blast, unconsciously, even when I know it's coming and know it won't hurt me. YMMV, but it's something to consider.
Posted by: Cowboyneal - the other Jewish carpenter at December 17, 2017 02:16 PM (k2KmM)
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Except for 9mm, I really prefer revolvers to semi-auto for center fire handguns. Another reason I won't bother with the CMP 1911s. Besides shooting revolvers better, they let me play with all levels of reloads.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 02:17 PM (V+03K)
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Grey Fox, why would I care - for actual, practical reasons - that I have MIM parts vs. forged? I thought they were similar in most cases, or in fact MIM standards were higher, as to actual quality and durability, sometimes even fit.
Again, for most parts, not all. Been a while, but I read some very interesting, extended taffy-yanks over at The High Road, on the revolver forum, between pro- and anti-MIM schools of thought, and recall that in many cases MIM parts were shown to be equal or superior, if considering price for quality.
Again, for most parts, not all. Been a while, but I read some very interesting, extended taffy-yanks over at The High Road, on the revolver forum, between pro- and anti-MIM schools of thought, and recall that in many cases MIM parts were shown to be equal or superior, if considering price for quality.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:17 PM (uyrlv)
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Hypothetical question for those who know the rules:
You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
Proper procedure under the law is?
You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
Proper procedure under the law is?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
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Joseph Stalin is looking out for the health and welfare of New York residents.
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The more I read about Stalin, especially his own statements, the more I realize that the guy was mostly a blundering thug.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2017 02:12 PM (w1zJX)
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Pretty much. He got his start as a bank robber for crying out loud! His genius was in leveraging the hidden power of some of the ho hum bureaucratic posts in the Bolshevik party and playing factions off each other. That and the fact that Trotsky was a nut and Lenin was an invalid in the 20s allow him to maneuver himself into a position of supremacy. Have you read "The Court of the Red Czar"?
Joseph Stalin is looking out for the health and welfare of New York residents.
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The more I read about Stalin, especially his own statements, the more I realize that the guy was mostly a blundering thug.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2017 02:12 PM (w1zJX)
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Pretty much. He got his start as a bank robber for crying out loud! His genius was in leveraging the hidden power of some of the ho hum bureaucratic posts in the Bolshevik party and playing factions off each other. That and the fact that Trotsky was a nut and Lenin was an invalid in the 20s allow him to maneuver himself into a position of supremacy. Have you read "The Court of the Red Czar"?
Posted by: Jackal at December 17, 2017 02:19 PM (o3+fQ)
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Pistol shooting - I learned from my grandfather, who taught me what appears now to be an unorthodox method.
Mag in well, no round in chamber. As you unholster, chamber a round, left hand falls down as you crouch and bring the weapon up on target.
Mag in well, no round in chamber. As you unholster, chamber a round, left hand falls down as you crouch and bring the weapon up on target.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:19 PM (fA1SL)
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Tom Gresham's Gun Talk radio show is on.
If it's not on your local talk radio station, you can go to the website, guntalk.com and find a streaming station...
Tom Gresham's Gun Talk radio show is on.
If it's not on your local talk radio station, you can go to the website, guntalk.com and find a streaming station...
Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 17, 2017 02:19 PM (4DCSq)
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>>You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
you wipe any of your fingerprints from the weapon, put it back where you found it and, continue on.
you wipe any of your fingerprints from the weapon, put it back where you found it and, continue on.
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 02:20 PM (r9UYA)
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The 1911 was designed as a cavalry arm, and was to be used while riding. One of the specifications on the cartridge was that it had to be able to break horse bones and pierce the horse's skull -- as well as do the nasty on people.
Most pistols prior to that were also considered cavalry arms of some sort since officers got them, and officers rode horses. 'Cept maybe the artillery.
The cavalry manual for the 1911 is online, as a matter of fact.
Pistols historically have been either cavalry arms, dueling pistols, or pocket pistols, albeit some of those pocket pistols could be pretty large (and I suspect were actually carried under the belt). Most pistol shooting was done under conditions that precluded or at least discouraged using both hands - either you had something in your other hand, you were in a formal duel with a code that assumed a single hand, or you were at bad-breath range.
Belt holsters are largely an invention of the mid-19th century, I think, and were popularized when Colt introduced the 1851 Navy revolver. It is a nice size and weight to carry on one's person, but far too large to carry in a coat pocket.
Most pistols prior to that were also considered cavalry arms of some sort since officers got them, and officers rode horses. 'Cept maybe the artillery.
The cavalry manual for the 1911 is online, as a matter of fact.
Pistols historically have been either cavalry arms, dueling pistols, or pocket pistols, albeit some of those pocket pistols could be pretty large (and I suspect were actually carried under the belt). Most pistol shooting was done under conditions that precluded or at least discouraged using both hands - either you had something in your other hand, you were in a formal duel with a code that assumed a single hand, or you were at bad-breath range.
Belt holsters are largely an invention of the mid-19th century, I think, and were popularized when Colt introduced the 1851 Navy revolver. It is a nice size and weight to carry on one's person, but far too large to carry in a coat pocket.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 02:21 PM (bZ7mE)
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246 ... "I'm seriously looking at a Ruger 10/22 take down. Any one have one? Do you like it?"
Under Fire,
I have one and it is fantasic. Easily as accurate as any other 22 rifle I have. I did put a BX replacement trigger in it and that helped. So far it has digested any ammo I've put through it.
Under Fire,
I have one and it is fantasic. Easily as accurate as any other 22 rifle I have. I did put a BX replacement trigger in it and that helped. So far it has digested any ammo I've put through it.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 02:21 PM (V+03K)
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>>>The serial number has been filed off.
Proper procedure under the law is?<<<
Handle with care. And gloves. Or sell it at a gun show under the totes legal loophole exception.
Proper procedure under the law is?<<<
Handle with care. And gloves. Or sell it at a gun show under the totes legal loophole exception.
Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2017 02:21 PM (A1FgP)
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253 Hypothetical question for those who know the rules:
You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
Proper procedure under the law is?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
I'd say leave it there and notify appropriate law enforcement. Or just leave it there. I believe possession of a firearm with an altered serial number is a Federal offense, so I wouldn't want to be carrying it around.
You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
Proper procedure under the law is?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
I'd say leave it there and notify appropriate law enforcement. Or just leave it there. I believe possession of a firearm with an altered serial number is a Federal offense, so I wouldn't want to be carrying it around.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 17, 2017 02:22 PM (DNH+H)
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i imagine that many, if not most, of the 1911's the Army is turning over to CMP will be similar to the ones my unit turned in in '98 when we finally were issued M-9s.
worn, obviously arsenal refurbed at least once, and a mix-master of parts. the only reason any of them would be $1K or more would be the rarity of 1911's legally on the market with "Proper of the US Government" markings.
since, by definition, such guns will no longer be rare, i seriously doubt CMP is going to be selling the base line guns at ridiculous prices. not only that, but if they do come across a rarity, it will likely go into their auction pipeline, as they do with rifles of the same nature.
not sure who started the rumor about pricing, but i wonder what their motivation was?
worn, obviously arsenal refurbed at least once, and a mix-master of parts. the only reason any of them would be $1K or more would be the rarity of 1911's legally on the market with "Proper of the US Government" markings.
since, by definition, such guns will no longer be rare, i seriously doubt CMP is going to be selling the base line guns at ridiculous prices. not only that, but if they do come across a rarity, it will likely go into their auction pipeline, as they do with rifles of the same nature.
not sure who started the rumor about pricing, but i wonder what their motivation was?
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 02:23 PM (TxQUe)
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You can use a two-handed grip on a revolver, but your thumbs will be tucked down unlike the way you'd grip a semi-auto.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (NWiLs)
Yep. Exactly, you have to keep "your hands and feet inside the ride vehicle at all times"
And if you forget they might find your head by the Sno-Cone concession.
I don't trust myself to not get excited and sloppy though, so I do the cup-and-sacucer
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (NWiLs)
Yep. Exactly, you have to keep "your hands and feet inside the ride vehicle at all times"
And if you forget they might find your head by the Sno-Cone concession.
I don't trust myself to not get excited and sloppy though, so I do the cup-and-sacucer
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:23 PM (2K6fY)
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I have one and it is fantasic. Easily as accurate as any other 22 rifle I have. I did put a BX replacement trigger in it and that helped. So far it has digested any ammo I've put through it.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 02:21 PM (V+03K)
Nice. I'm also looking at the Magpul stock for the gun as well (~$100). The Ruger X-25 magazines look like they work well. I like that it comes with a backpack carry bag that won't attract that much attention while transporting.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 02:21 PM (V+03K)
Nice. I'm also looking at the Magpul stock for the gun as well (~$100). The Ruger X-25 magazines look like they work well. I like that it comes with a backpack carry bag that won't attract that much attention while transporting.
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 02:25 PM (r9UYA)
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259 246 ... "I'm seriously looking at a Ruger 10/22 take down. Any one have one? Do you like it?"
Under Fire,
I have one and it is fantasic. Easily as accurate as any other 22 rifle I have. I did put a BX replacement trigger in it and that helped. So far it has digested any ammo I've put through it.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 02:21 PM (V+03K)
+1
Very happy with mine.
I can't find a .22 pistol I like but the Ruger takedown is a fine, easy to use/clean/transport rifle.
Under Fire,
I have one and it is fantasic. Easily as accurate as any other 22 rifle I have. I did put a BX replacement trigger in it and that helped. So far it has digested any ammo I've put through it.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 02:21 PM (V+03K)
+1
Very happy with mine.
I can't find a .22 pistol I like but the Ruger takedown is a fine, easy to use/clean/transport rifle.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 02:25 PM (xJa6I)
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Thanks for the answers about the found gun, and no it hasn't happened to me.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:25 PM (3myMJ)
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Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 12:12 PM (Ckg4U)
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I' not Catholic but here is a link to prayers to St. Peregrine, the patron of those suffering from cancer.
I have a medal to him that I carry. It was dipped in the holy water at the Sistine Chapel by a friend. Four years cancer free as of now, just sayin.
Link: https://tinyurl.com/yathr9bx
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I' not Catholic but here is a link to prayers to St. Peregrine, the patron of those suffering from cancer.
I have a medal to him that I carry. It was dipped in the holy water at the Sistine Chapel by a friend. Four years cancer free as of now, just sayin.
Link: https://tinyurl.com/yathr9bx
Posted by: Javems at December 17, 2017 02:25 PM (yOqwj)
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Grey Fox, why would I care - for actual, practical reasons - that I have MIM parts vs. forged? I thought they were similar in most cases, or in fact MIM standards were higher, as to actual quality and durability, sometimes even fit.
I have no idea what the truth is, but I KNOW forged is good and I don't have that same confidence regarding MIM parts, so it just seems prudent to go with forged if possible. In addition, I have been told by a metallurgist who specialized in figuring out why metal stuff failed in use that he would not trust MIM parts on principle.
As I said, it isn't a high priority and not something that I'm seriously worried about, but comparing the prices of the CMP 1911s to a Rock Islands Armory clone isn't exactly a apples-to-apples comparison.
I have no idea what the truth is, but I KNOW forged is good and I don't have that same confidence regarding MIM parts, so it just seems prudent to go with forged if possible. In addition, I have been told by a metallurgist who specialized in figuring out why metal stuff failed in use that he would not trust MIM parts on principle.
As I said, it isn't a high priority and not something that I'm seriously worried about, but comparing the prices of the CMP 1911s to a Rock Islands Armory clone isn't exactly a apples-to-apples comparison.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 02:26 PM (bZ7mE)
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Wasn't there a case not long ago of a lever-action rifle being discovered in a forest, propped up against a tree, appeared to have been there for decades? Way pre-serial number or GCA, as I (sort of) recall.
Stalin. No dummy, quite smart in the book sense though not that interested in same, based on his early life. But "fortunate" in his timing, enemies, and (hapless) allies - in that he was able to exercise his sociopathic murderous power obsession with minimal challenge (contrast Hitler's rise to absolute power). The passivity of the peoples under the Soviet boot, and the absence of skilled ambitious rivals, is stunning, in looking at Stalin's rise and subsequent historic crimes.
Stalin. No dummy, quite smart in the book sense though not that interested in same, based on his early life. But "fortunate" in his timing, enemies, and (hapless) allies - in that he was able to exercise his sociopathic murderous power obsession with minimal challenge (contrast Hitler's rise to absolute power). The passivity of the peoples under the Soviet boot, and the absence of skilled ambitious rivals, is stunning, in looking at Stalin's rise and subsequent historic crimes.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:27 PM (uyrlv)
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Paranoid bumbling thug, he went to pieces when Barbarossa hit, secluded himself for a week
Posted by: Skip
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And...up until that date, the Soviet Union was sending supplies to Germany. Stalin was apparently convinced that the Brits were trying to pull some capitalist trick by warning him repeatedly that the Germans were going to attack.
In no time at all he was pleading for help (almost demanding help) from the Brits.
Posted by: Skip
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And...up until that date, the Soviet Union was sending supplies to Germany. Stalin was apparently convinced that the Brits were trying to pull some capitalist trick by warning him repeatedly that the Germans were going to attack.
In no time at all he was pleading for help (almost demanding help) from the Brits.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2017 02:28 PM (c/EDo)
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255 Pistol shooting - I learned from my grandfather, who taught me what appears now to be an unorthodox method.
Mag in well, no round in chamber. As you unholster, chamber a round, left hand falls down as you crouch and bring the weapon up on target.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:19 PM (fA1SL)
I worked with a Russian vet at Amazon. That's their doctrine with Makarovs.
Mag in well, no round in chamber. As you unholster, chamber a round, left hand falls down as you crouch and bring the weapon up on target.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:19 PM (fA1SL)
I worked with a Russian vet at Amazon. That's their doctrine with Makarovs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 02:29 PM (xJa6I)
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253 Hypothetical question for those who know the rules:
You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
Proper procedure under the law is?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
I'd leave it completely undisturbed and walk away. I honestly don't know if I'd report it or not. There's a 50-50 chance they'd hassle the shit out of you and/or try to get you to admit that it's yours.
You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
Proper procedure under the law is?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
I'd leave it completely undisturbed and walk away. I honestly don't know if I'd report it or not. There's a 50-50 chance they'd hassle the shit out of you and/or try to get you to admit that it's yours.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:29 PM (NWiLs)
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There is no law against online ammo sales to MA. You just need to hold a state FID or LTC. The 'ban' was based on illegal threats by AGs to retailers. Targetsports just called bully AG Healey's bluff and told her pound sand. They will ship to MA license holders and are ready to battle in court to continue to do so.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 17,
Hmm...I always assumed there was based on retailers' refusal to ship. Good to know.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 17,
Hmm...I always assumed there was based on retailers' refusal to ship. Good to know.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2017 02:30 PM (jfuOT)
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Palpatine, sounds like your grandfather had some contact with Fairbairn's theories. He was down on mechanical safeties, and suggested crouching since it prepped you for fast movement and you were going to do it anyways.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:30 PM (2K6fY)
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271.
* shifty eyes. Hums Malinka, nonchalantly *
* shifty eyes. Hums Malinka, nonchalantly *
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:31 PM (fA1SL)
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red, good analysis of the 1911 situation, from my perspective, and as I noted above, CMP has never priced their items aggressively, at least in the years I've been aware of what's going on. And as you note, they auction off the obviously collectible/expensive stuff.
Grey Fox, good enough, it's just that I've read some commentary from metallurgy and industry types that described good MIM parts as the equivalent of forged, but cheaper, and more uniform. Would that I was able to put my platforms through such rigorous use that I could "field test" the question ......
Grey Fox, good enough, it's just that I've read some commentary from metallurgy and industry types that described good MIM parts as the equivalent of forged, but cheaper, and more uniform. Would that I was able to put my platforms through such rigorous use that I could "field test" the question ......
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:31 PM (uyrlv)
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Stalin. No dummy, quite smart in the book sense though not that interested in same, based on his early life. But "fortunate" in his timing, enemies, and (hapless) allies - in that he was able to exercise his sociopathic murderous power obsession with minimal challenge (contrast Hitler's rise to absolute power). The passivity of the peoples under the Soviet boot, and the absence of skilled ambitious rivals, is stunning, in looking at Stalin's rise and subsequent historic crimes.
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Often the case with despots. The list is long. Bright, but not too bright, ruthless.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Often the case with despots. The list is long. Bright, but not too bright, ruthless.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2017 02:31 PM (c/EDo)
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Yep. Exactly, you have to keep "your hands and feet inside the ride vehicle at all times"
And if you forget they might find your head by the Sno-Cone concession.
I don't trust myself to not get excited and sloppy though, so I do the cup-and-sacucer
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:23 PM (2K6fY)
It only takes getting your hand scorched once to learn, the same way it only takes getting the skin taken off your hand or your thumbnail popped off by the slide of a semi-auto.
And if you forget they might find your head by the Sno-Cone concession.
I don't trust myself to not get excited and sloppy though, so I do the cup-and-sacucer
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:23 PM (2K6fY)
It only takes getting your hand scorched once to learn, the same way it only takes getting the skin taken off your hand or your thumbnail popped off by the slide of a semi-auto.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:31 PM (NWiLs)
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Grey Fox: i linked an article a bit up thread about MIM parts.
the issue with them, if there is one, is poor quality control at the manufacturing process, with temperatures being off, or the formula of the material being inadequate, resulting in parts being too soft or too brittle.
at that point it's the fault of the gun maker for using parts that aren't quite right, but, as the article said, "good enough" because of the cost of replacing that batch with "perfect" parts.
the issue with them, if there is one, is poor quality control at the manufacturing process, with temperatures being off, or the formula of the material being inadequate, resulting in parts being too soft or too brittle.
at that point it's the fault of the gun maker for using parts that aren't quite right, but, as the article said, "good enough" because of the cost of replacing that batch with "perfect" parts.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 02:32 PM (TxQUe)
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274. He fought in both theatres in WWII. never used his sidearm in the Pacific, but had it to-hand quite a bit in Europe.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:32 PM (fA1SL)
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271 Good practice for Glocks as well (no active safety)
Posted by: rammajamma at December 17, 2017 02:33 PM (MCpv7)
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I was primed to jump through the hoops and get a 1911. Got a nice Garand and Carbine from them as well as a few thousand rounds of 30-06 back when it was a lot cheaper and couple of nice bayonets. But $1000 to $1500... I'll have to think about that a bit.
The idiot video leaves me wishing Darwin was a bit more proactive in some of those examples and added an extra does of bleach to the gene pool. I'm always somewhat amazed that with the sheer numbers of idiots out there MORE accidental deaths and injuries don't occur. Only a handful of those were remotely excusable.
The idiot video leaves me wishing Darwin was a bit more proactive in some of those examples and added an extra does of bleach to the gene pool. I'm always somewhat amazed that with the sheer numbers of idiots out there MORE accidental deaths and injuries don't occur. Only a handful of those were remotely excusable.
Posted by: Keith at December 17, 2017 02:33 PM (USf3s)
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Watching that video of what appears to be the quick draw guy shooting himself, I'm actually surprised that doesn't happen more often. I don't know much about that "sport" or activity, but throwing around guns w/light triggers seems inherently dangerous.
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281 271 Good practice for Glocks as well (no active safety)
Posted by: rammajamma at December 17, 2017 02:33 PM (MCpv7)
I always keep one in the chamber. Racking the slide takes time, and in a high-stress situation there's more of a chance you'll short-stroke it. My philosophy is keep as few steps between holstered and on-target as possible.
Posted by: rammajamma at December 17, 2017 02:33 PM (MCpv7)
I always keep one in the chamber. Racking the slide takes time, and in a high-stress situation there's more of a chance you'll short-stroke it. My philosophy is keep as few steps between holstered and on-target as possible.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (NWiLs)
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271 255 Pistol shooting - I learned from my grandfather, who taught me what appears now to be an unorthodox method.
Mag in well, no round in chamber. As you unholster, chamber a round, left hand falls down as you crouch and bring the weapon up on target.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:19 PM (fA1SL)
I worked with a Russian vet at Amazon. That's their doctrine with Makarovs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 02:29 PM (xJa6I)
The Israelis as well.
271 255 Pistol shooting - I learned from my grandfather, who taught me what appears now to be an unorthodox method.
Mag in well, no round in chamber. As you unholster, chamber a round, left hand falls down as you crouch and bring the weapon up on target.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:19 PM (fA1SL)
I worked with a Russian vet at Amazon. That's their doctrine with Makarovs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 17, 2017 02:29 PM (xJa6I)
The Israelis as well.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (veoSD)
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283 Watching that video of what appears to be the quick draw guy shooting himself, I'm actually surprised that doesn't happen more often. I don't know much about that "sport" or activity, but throwing around guns w/light triggers seems inherently dangerous.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 17, 2017 02:34 PM (ty7RM)
That's why you keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you're on target and ready to shoot. I practice drawing from concealment on a near-daily basis and have NEVER hit the trigger.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 17, 2017 02:34 PM (ty7RM)
That's why you keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you're on target and ready to shoot. I practice drawing from concealment on a near-daily basis and have NEVER hit the trigger.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:36 PM (NWiLs)
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I have the cheap Kimber and would like a box stock 1911.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 02:36 PM (BtQd4)
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My Dad, a pistol shooting champion in the Army, rode in the cavalry from 1936 to 1941. His sidearm was a .45. He shot one in competition, a service model. No telling how good he would have been with a match model.
He said he watched armorers cutting up the service .45 with cutting torches, barrels full. Broke his heart.
He said he watched armorers cutting up the service .45 with cutting torches, barrels full. Broke his heart.
Posted by: Javems at December 17, 2017 02:36 PM (yOqwj)
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OregonMuse has told me that he will reprint the Horde Prayer List every Tuesday.
I was so happy to read that.
I was so happy to read that.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:38 PM (Ckg4U)
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You find a weapon, while hiking in the countryside, let's say in a National Forest. It's been there a while but isn't ruined. The serial number has been filed off.
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In most, if not all, states, it's a crime to possess a gun with the SN removed.
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In most, if not all, states, it's a crime to possess a gun with the SN removed.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe today! Covfefe tomorrow! Covfefe forever! at December 17, 2017 02:38 PM (+y/Ru)
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It only takes getting your hand scorched once to learn, the same way it only takes getting the skin taken off your hand or your thumbnail popped off by the slide of a semi-auto.
I got my offhand thumb too high while shooting my Ruger Mark I the other day and took a little chunk out of the side of my thumb. It's sore.
I got my offhand thumb too high while shooting my Ruger Mark I the other day and took a little chunk out of the side of my thumb. It's sore.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:39 PM (3myMJ)
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The Israelis as well.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (veoSD)
They shoot two-handed, so they keep the weak hand on the pistol.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (veoSD)
They shoot two-handed, so they keep the weak hand on the pistol.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:39 PM (wYseH)
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I got my offhand thumb too high while shooting my Ruger Mark I the other day and took a little chunk out of the side of my thumb. It's sore.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:39 PM (3myMJ)
Ouch.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:39 PM (3myMJ)
Ouch.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:39 PM (NWiLs)
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Intriguing reference in a David Glantz book I'm struggling through (Colossus Reborn) that Stalin's dacha time at the start of Barbarossa was actually very active, with constant contact with military commanders - not the shocked isolation most of us understood it to have been.
Though his disastrous pre-war behavior is undoubted. He consented to a full mobilization of existing defenses literally in the wee hours just before the German offensive was unleashed, finally consenting to Zhukov's desperate requests backed up by detailed/credible info from German line-crossers who defected in the last few days before the start.
Though his disastrous pre-war behavior is undoubted. He consented to a full mobilization of existing defenses literally in the wee hours just before the German offensive was unleashed, finally consenting to Zhukov's desperate requests backed up by detailed/credible info from German line-crossers who defected in the last few days before the start.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (uyrlv)
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Into the "cast" vs "forged" wars I will not wade...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (MINbv)
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Speaking of secondary weapons, I have a cast tomahawk head that I am just about ready to start filing into something elegant and beautiful (I hope!). I also just got a blank handle (2x2x24" with a hole drilled through the center but otherwise just a chunk of wood) Absolutely gorgeous piece of curly ash, but just enough enough grain run-out to make me a bit leery of how sturdy it would be in actual use. Fine for a wall hanger or a presentation piece, but I like all my edged weapons to fully capable, even of the likelihood of ever using them is nil.
OTOH, I just purchased a piece of straight-grain hickory to make a replacement handle for my truck axe (old collins in good shape but a lousy handle), and as it so happens one of the scraps after cutting out the handle blank is just the right size for the tomahawk. Doesn't have the smoke-hole, though, and I don't have a 1/4" drill bit long enough to make a 20"+ hole, nor can I readily buy one it appears....
Decisions, decisions. Since I like to do my axe-hafting January or February, so the moisture in the wood is at a natural minimum, I have a little time to think, though.
OTOH, I just purchased a piece of straight-grain hickory to make a replacement handle for my truck axe (old collins in good shape but a lousy handle), and as it so happens one of the scraps after cutting out the handle blank is just the right size for the tomahawk. Doesn't have the smoke-hole, though, and I don't have a 1/4" drill bit long enough to make a 20"+ hole, nor can I readily buy one it appears....
Decisions, decisions. Since I like to do my axe-hafting January or February, so the moisture in the wood is at a natural minimum, I have a little time to think, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (bZ7mE)
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I look at that prayer list and tell myself, "You just think you have problems".
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (3myMJ)
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284 281 271 Good practice for Glocks as well (no active safety)
Posted by: rammajamma at December 17, 2017 02:33 PM (MCpv7)
I always keep one in the chamber. Racking the slide takes time, and in a high-stress situation there's more of a chance you'll short-stroke it. My philosophy is keep as few steps between holstered and on-target as possible.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (NWiLs)
Yep. I've become a believer in DA/SA or DAO pistols for carry guns.
Pull from the holster, pull trigger. Goblin goes boom.
The safety-on-the-trigger thing that's common of Glock and the Glock-inspired guns kind of makes me nervous. But to be fair, it's only a real problem when re-holstering and having something like your shirt getting caught in the trigger guard, which you shouldn't be doing very often anyway.
284 281 271 Good practice for Glocks as well (no active safety)
Posted by: rammajamma at December 17, 2017 02:33 PM (MCpv7)
I always keep one in the chamber. Racking the slide takes time, and in a high-stress situation there's more of a chance you'll short-stroke it. My philosophy is keep as few steps between holstered and on-target as possible.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (NWiLs)
Yep. I've become a believer in DA/SA or DAO pistols for carry guns.
Pull from the holster, pull trigger. Goblin goes boom.
The safety-on-the-trigger thing that's common of Glock and the Glock-inspired guns kind of makes me nervous. But to be fair, it's only a real problem when re-holstering and having something like your shirt getting caught in the trigger guard, which you shouldn't be doing very often anyway.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:41 PM (veoSD)
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"Israeli carry", right? No round in the chamber? Thought was a term that is used for that.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:41 PM (uyrlv)
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297 I look at that prayer list and tell myself, "You just think you have problems".
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (3myMJ)
It does help provide a sense of perspective. Then again, being the Eeyore that I am, I can't help but think "well, that's what I have to look forward to."
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (3myMJ)
It does help provide a sense of perspective. Then again, being the Eeyore that I am, I can't help but think "well, that's what I have to look forward to."
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:42 PM (NWiLs)
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Ouch.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:39
Brought the festivities to a halt as I had no bandaids and it didn't want to stop bleeding.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:39
Brought the festivities to a halt as I had no bandaids and it didn't want to stop bleeding.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:42 PM (3myMJ)
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Insomniac, I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying I learned different to forestall losing a nail or getting bit. That can ruin a day at the range.
Personally I feel it gives greater flexibility also, but that is my biased opinion.
The experts I have talked to say it is important to be comfortable and competent at a muscle memory level with what you are doing because you won't be thinking when it drops in the pot. So whatever you do make sure that is what you do instinctually.
So I do what I do, and do it every time.
Most gunfights have three phases you know:
1. "AAHG!"
B. Pop-pop
III "WTF?"
I'm told it is important to be the one saying WTF in the end.
Personally I feel it gives greater flexibility also, but that is my biased opinion.
The experts I have talked to say it is important to be comfortable and competent at a muscle memory level with what you are doing because you won't be thinking when it drops in the pot. So whatever you do make sure that is what you do instinctually.
So I do what I do, and do it every time.
Most gunfights have three phases you know:
1. "AAHG!"
B. Pop-pop
III "WTF?"
I'm told it is important to be the one saying WTF in the end.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:43 PM (2K6fY)
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292 The Israelis as well.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (veoSD)
They shoot two-handed, so they keep the weak hand on the pistol.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:39 PM (wYseH)
I was thinking strictly on the no-round-in-the-chamber thing. Skimmed the comment and missed the single-hand firing technique.
*Sigh* I'm so careless sometimes.
292 The Israelis as well.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:35 PM (veoSD)
They shoot two-handed, so they keep the weak hand on the pistol.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:39 PM (wYseH)
I was thinking strictly on the no-round-in-the-chamber thing. Skimmed the comment and missed the single-hand firing technique.
*Sigh* I'm so careless sometimes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:43 PM (veoSD)
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"I look at that prayer list and tell myself, "You just think you have problems"."
-Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (3myMJ)
That was 50% of why I made it. The other 50% was because I kept writing things down on paper and I spilled a beer on it.
#Moron
-Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:40 PM (3myMJ)
That was 50% of why I made it. The other 50% was because I kept writing things down on paper and I spilled a beer on it.
#Moron
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:43 PM (Ckg4U)
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301 Ouch.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:39
Brought the festivities to a halt as I had no bandaids and it didn't want to stop bleeding.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:42 PM (3myMJ)
You should've dumped the magazine then cauterized the wound with the hot barrel, like a MAN!!!
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:39
Brought the festivities to a halt as I had no bandaids and it didn't want to stop bleeding.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:42 PM (3myMJ)
You should've dumped the magazine then cauterized the wound with the hot barrel, like a MAN!!!
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:44 PM (NWiLs)
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ITC, that's one reason I like the XD pistols. The grip angle/ergonomics are just better for me than most plastic semis, but the grip safety (a la 1911), PLUS the safety-in-trigger feature, make for a pretty safe configuration.
I don't carry, so whatever. But for overall use and safety, a good design, seems to me.
I don't carry, so whatever. But for overall use and safety, a good design, seems to me.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:44 PM (uyrlv)
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Under Fire, My take down 10/22 came with the X-25 and a 10 round mag. I had doubts about the X-25 feeding consistently but it has been flawless so far.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 02:44 PM (V+03K)
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No round in the chamber is a practice from the days of mechanically unreliable safety mechanisms, and was usefuk as well in training men equipped with a variety of different pistols. It standardized a set of practices that were universally applicable to autoloading pistols of the time. (Also, made weapon check-in much simpler at the armoury. )
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:45 PM (fA1SL)
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The experts I have talked to say it is important to be comfortable and competent at a muscle memory level with what you are doing because you won't be thinking when it drops in the pot. So whatever you do make sure that is what you do instinctually.
So I do what I do, and do it every time.
Most gunfights have three phases you know:
1. "AAHG!"
B. Pop-pop
III "WTF?"
I'm told it is important to be the one saying WTF in the end.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:43 PM (2K6fY)
Extremely important.
So I do what I do, and do it every time.
Most gunfights have three phases you know:
1. "AAHG!"
B. Pop-pop
III "WTF?"
I'm told it is important to be the one saying WTF in the end.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:43 PM (2K6fY)
Extremely important.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:45 PM (NWiLs)
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The fat guy who shot himself did a nice follow up video showing his nice long scar and entrance and exit holes on youboob if you want to know what happened to him.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2017 02:45 PM (EoRCO)
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:41 PM (veoSD)
I was taught DA for the first shot, then before reholstering to drop the safety, which returns the pistol to DA.
That makes the most sense to me and is very easy to learn.
The new striker fired pistols change that whole idea.
I was taught DA for the first shot, then before reholstering to drop the safety, which returns the pistol to DA.
That makes the most sense to me and is very easy to learn.
The new striker fired pistols change that whole idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:45 PM (wYseH)
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if i ran across a firearm out in the middle of nowhere, i'd be suspicious as hell, starting with booby traps, whether IED type or human intervention.
IF i inspected it, and found the serial number defaced, i'd leave it there anonymously report it...
IF i inspected it, and found the serial number defaced, i'd leave it there anonymously report it...
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 02:46 PM (TxQUe)
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I can't help but think "well, that's what I have to look forward to."
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:42 PM (NWiLs)
You know my thoughts on that. Work on control of your thoughts as you will always move toward the dominant one.
And remember, you are NOT your unbidden thoughts.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:42 PM (NWiLs)
You know my thoughts on that. Work on control of your thoughts as you will always move toward the dominant one.
And remember, you are NOT your unbidden thoughts.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (3myMJ)
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I'm so careless sometimes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:43 PM (veoSD)
Is that you in the video?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:43 PM (veoSD)
Is that you in the video?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (wYseH)
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Youtube - First Public Look! 132 Year Old Winchester Rifle Found in Nevada Under A Tree !!
http://bit.ly/2CpOfuc
http://bit.ly/2CpOfuc
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (WbIyz)
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I always keep one in the chamber. Racking the slide takes time, and in a high-stress situation there's more of a chance you'll short-stroke it. My philosophy is keep as few steps between holstered and on-target as possible.
Posted by: Insomniac
H&K USP. Chamber round. Use de-cocker. Drop hammer.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: Insomniac
H&K USP. Chamber round. Use de-cocker. Drop hammer.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
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If I found such a weapon would call it in, I have no use for it.
Unless it was a full auto BAR then , well, I know nothing see nothing.
Unless it was a full auto BAR then , well, I know nothing see nothing.
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 02:49 PM (aC6Sd)
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Youtube - First Public Look! 132 Year Old Winchester Rifle Found in Nevada Under A Tree !!
Funny how the tree didn't grow around it.
Funny how the tree didn't grow around it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:49 PM (CeVa5)
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Is that you in the video?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (wYseH)
*flips the bird at CBD*
Is that you in the video?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (wYseH)
*flips the bird at CBD*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 02:50 PM (veoSD)
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So some time before too too long, I was hoping to get either/both a Henry brass-receiver lever action rifle in 45 Colt, and a revolver to go with it (probably Ruger, maybe something purdy like one of their stainless Vaqueros). Just because I like the big honkin' 45LC round, and the beauty of the industrial art of the guns, and don't have a lever-action. No interest in cowboy-action shooting (other than for fun, on my own, maybe).
Bought some 45LC ammo, and am on alert for brass and dies, which usually over time yields great cheap results, in my experience.
Reloading really opens up new vistas of gun disease. Adds many more self-serving fallacious "reasons" to get certain calibers, and esp. multiple platforms ("I can reload for both with one set of dies and components!").
Bought some 45LC ammo, and am on alert for brass and dies, which usually over time yields great cheap results, in my experience.
Reloading really opens up new vistas of gun disease. Adds many more self-serving fallacious "reasons" to get certain calibers, and esp. multiple platforms ("I can reload for both with one set of dies and components!").
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:50 PM (uyrlv)
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And remember, you are NOT your unbidden thoughts.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (3myMJ)
Kate Upton and Alexandra Daddario thank you.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (3myMJ)
Kate Upton and Alexandra Daddario thank you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:50 PM (wYseH)
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298 Practice practice practice, but to your point my wife wants a round up and won't touch a Glock because of the safety issue - and her weak wrist shooting technique causes jams anyway
Posted by: rammajamma at December 17, 2017 02:50 PM (MCpv7)
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312. Heh. I had a work man in my shop last year. Let him in after hours to do his thing. Came back around midnight to inspect the work. Good, quality job.
But he left his XDS 45 sitting out and in the open. Scooped it up and phoned him. He hadn't even noticed it was missing......
But he left his XDS 45 sitting out and in the open. Scooped it up and phoned him. He hadn't even noticed it was missing......
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 17, 2017 02:50 PM (fA1SL)
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rickb223, thanks, I think that's the story I was thinking of, the old Winchester left under a tree - will check that video out.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 02:50 PM (uyrlv)
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don't have a 1/4" drill bit long enough to make a 20"+ hole, nor can I readily buy one it appears...."
Guy I knew made his own - iron rod, drill bit, a little welding, and presto! Seemed to work fine...
Guy I knew made his own - iron rod, drill bit, a little welding, and presto! Seemed to work fine...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 02:51 PM (MINbv)
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HK USP. Chamber round. Use de-cocker. Drop hammer.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Exactly. Only, my HK USP is a .40SW, so that would be rounds 2-14.
Great pistol.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Exactly. Only, my HK USP is a .40SW, so that would be rounds 2-14.
Great pistol.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 02:52 PM (wYseH)
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Grey Fox, I hafted a tomahawk with a curved hatchet handle and that made for a sweet little axe. It was bought as a gift for a close friend and I almost couldn't give it away.
The straight handles are more authentic, but the curved handle gave that little tomahawk so much more control and made throwing it a dream.
I was lucky, I found a head that had a larger eye than the normal run of repro's and I have been searching gun shows and flea markets for a while looking for another one.
The straight handles are more authentic, but the curved handle gave that little tomahawk so much more control and made throwing it a dream.
I was lucky, I found a head that had a larger eye than the normal run of repro's and I have been searching gun shows and flea markets for a while looking for another one.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 02:53 PM (2K6fY)
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"Kate Upton and Alexandra Daddario thank you."
As well they should, and they may visit to thank me at their convenience.
As well they should, and they may visit to thank me at their convenience.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:53 PM (3myMJ)
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Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:42 PM (NWiLs)
You know my thoughts on that. Work on control of your thoughts as you will always move toward the dominant one.
And remember, you are NOT your unbidden thoughts.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (3myMJ)
Yeah. It's a struggle. My inner monologue would horrify most people.
You know my thoughts on that. Work on control of your thoughts as you will always move toward the dominant one.
And remember, you are NOT your unbidden thoughts.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (3myMJ)
Yeah. It's a struggle. My inner monologue would horrify most people.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
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MIM is NOT the same thing as cast metal parts
http://www.gunnuts.net/2013/03/18/the-truth-about-mim/
http://www.gunnuts.net/2013/03/18/the-truth-about-mim/
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (TxQUe)
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I just picked up a Mark 1, I will be careful of that. Meremortal are those things that hard to reassemble after cleaning, bee afraid to take it apart. I did get that plastic tool online.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 02:56 PM (Bh6pi)
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The New York Times@nytimes
"Sometimes they die in your arms just from dehydration." Children in Venezuela are dying of malnutrition, but the government won't admit it.
The New York Times@nytimes
In the last 3 years, Venezuela's economy has collapsed. Now, hunger grips the nation.
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Huh. I wonder what's causing that. I guess global warming.
"Sometimes they die in your arms just from dehydration." Children in Venezuela are dying of malnutrition, but the government won't admit it.
The New York Times@nytimes
In the last 3 years, Venezuela's economy has collapsed. Now, hunger grips the nation.
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Huh. I wonder what's causing that. I guess global warming.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe today! Covfefe tomorrow! Covfefe forever! at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (+y/Ru)
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My buddy likes to think that he's funny. He didn't know how "unfunny" it was to "sweep" me with a Mosin Nagant.
He got the picture real quick, as I wanted to kick his ass.
He'd have been kicked out of any gun range for that behavior.
I've never been to an indoor gun range, but I'd imagine the culture is the same as the outdoor ranges.
You Just Don't Do That.
He got the picture real quick, as I wanted to kick his ass.
He'd have been kicked out of any gun range for that behavior.
I've never been to an indoor gun range, but I'd imagine the culture is the same as the outdoor ranges.
You Just Don't Do That.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (Ckg4U)
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316 I always keep one in the chamber. Racking the slide takes time, and in a high-stress situation there's more of a chance you'll short-stroke it. My philosophy is keep as few steps between holstered and on-target as possible.
Posted by: Insomniac
H&K USP. Chamber round. Use de-cocker. Drop hammer.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Sigs are set up the same way. Both are too rich for my blood.
Posted by: Insomniac
H&K USP. Chamber round. Use de-cocker. Drop hammer.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Sigs are set up the same way. Both are too rich for my blood.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (NWiLs)
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My inner monologue would horrify most people.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
Actually, you probably aren't out of the mainstream on that.
Baby steps, brother. You've come a ways already. Keep it up.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
Actually, you probably aren't out of the mainstream on that.
Baby steps, brother. You've come a ways already. Keep it up.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (3myMJ)
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Guy I knew made his own - iron rod, drill bit, a little welding, and presto! Seemed to work fine...
Yeah, if I had a lathe and could braze or weld I could make one. I don't though, and I don't think I'm up to forging my own from drill rod. If I could I'd make a couple shell-nose augur bits, which I believe were the bit of choice for deep-hole drilling in wood back in the day but are unavailable these days unless you stumble across an antique one.
Might be able to find a machinist who could do the work, not sure if it is worth it, though.
Yeah, if I had a lathe and could braze or weld I could make one. I don't though, and I don't think I'm up to forging my own from drill rod. If I could I'd make a couple shell-nose augur bits, which I believe were the bit of choice for deep-hole drilling in wood back in the day but are unavailable these days unless you stumble across an antique one.
Might be able to find a machinist who could do the work, not sure if it is worth it, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (bZ7mE)
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you should be able to get 45LC brass from Starline... they have just about everything, and you can order direct.
you usually can get reloading dies through Amazon, if your local toy store doesn't carry them, and Sierra's always a good place to look for bullets and reloading data.
you usually can get reloading dies through Amazon, if your local toy store doesn't carry them, and Sierra's always a good place to look for bullets and reloading data.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (TxQUe)
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246 I'm seriously looking at a Ruger 10/22 take down. Any one have one? Do you like it?
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (r9UYA)
The NRA were selling tickets to win different firearms. I looked at that rifle. I was sad I didn't win it.
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (r9UYA)
The NRA were selling tickets to win different firearms. I looked at that rifle. I was sad I didn't win it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 02:58 PM (Ri/rl)
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1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Exactly. Only, my HK USP is a .40SW, so that would be rounds 2-14.
Great pistol.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
That's for the Compact.
It's big brother in the safe is rounds 2 thru 13.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Exactly. Only, my HK USP is a .40SW, so that would be rounds 2-14.
Great pistol.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
That's for the Compact.
It's big brother in the safe is rounds 2 thru 13.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:58 PM (CeVa5)
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It's injection molding...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (MINbv)
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"Yeah. It's a struggle. My inner monologue would horrify most people."
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
*HAH!*
Try Me.
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
*HAH!*
Try Me.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (Ckg4U)
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Ruger 22 pistols are a PITA to disassemble and clean, but there's an aftermarket kit out there than can be installed to fix that.
makes you wonder what Ruger was thinking with the design like that.
makes you wonder what Ruger was thinking with the design like that.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 03:00 PM (TxQUe)
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You Just Don't Do That.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (
That would freak me out, I also would dive to the ground.
I would seriously punch someone that did that.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:57 PM (
That would freak me out, I also would dive to the ground.
I would seriously punch someone that did that.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:01 PM (Ri/rl)
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As I've noted in the past, right now when I do my RO day at the range, I carry a surplus CZ-83 (around $320), which is a DA/SA design. Chamber round, drop hammer (using thumb - no de-cocker on these). Small hammer, good ergonomics, easy to lower hammer safely, though I can see people being queezy about it (helps that I'm at an outdoor range, muzzle down-range when I do it).
Anyway, love the little thing. Enough that when, to my surprise, I came across what must have been one of the last of the special-run versions in a local gun store (my understanding is CZ discontinued them several years ago, did one last run for a North American distributor), I bought it. Cleaned it, checked for function, stored away. To sell, or more likely enjoy, in the future.
And, of course, I'm saving my brass, looking for good batches for sale locally, and on the lookout for .380 dies.
Anyway, love the little thing. Enough that when, to my surprise, I came across what must have been one of the last of the special-run versions in a local gun store (my understanding is CZ discontinued them several years ago, did one last run for a North American distributor), I bought it. Cleaned it, checked for function, stored away. To sell, or more likely enjoy, in the future.
And, of course, I'm saving my brass, looking for good batches for sale locally, and on the lookout for .380 dies.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:01 PM (uyrlv)
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*HAH!*
Try Me.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (Ckg4U)
Indeed.
That's our caveman mind, trying to protect us. Unfortunately it often applies itself in negative ways in modern society.
*HAH!*
Try Me.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (Ckg4U)
Indeed.
That's our caveman mind, trying to protect us. Unfortunately it often applies itself in negative ways in modern society.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 03:02 PM (3myMJ)
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That's what I was afraid of ! I heard you need 3 hands. I guess I will just Gunscrubber the shit out of it for now
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 03:02 PM (Bh6pi)
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I'm seriously looking at a Ruger 10/22 take down. Any one have one? Do you like it?
Posted by: Under Fire
Have one. It's nice. Need to figure out some kind of sling mounts for it. It wasn't made with the sling posts and you can't "re-stock" it with a Houge Overmolded stock due to the break down style.
Still, overall, it's a nice rifle.
Posted by: Under Fire
Have one. It's nice. Need to figure out some kind of sling mounts for it. It wasn't made with the sling posts and you can't "re-stock" it with a Houge Overmolded stock due to the break down style.
Still, overall, it's a nice rifle.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 03:02 PM (CeVa5)
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It's injection molding...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (MINbv)
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on steroids... IF done properly.
like any other process, it's subject to human frailty and Mr. Murphy
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (MINbv)
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on steroids... IF done properly.
like any other process, it's subject to human frailty and Mr. Murphy
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 03:02 PM (TxQUe)
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The more I read about Stalin, especially his own statements, the more I realize that the guy was mostly a blundering thug.
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Have you read "The Court of the Red Czar"?
20th Century Schizoid Man
The more I read about Stalin, especially his own statements, the more I realize that the guy was mostly a blundering thug.
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Have you read "The Court of the Red Czar"?
20th Century Schizoid Man
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2017 03:03 PM (IqV8l)
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"That would freak me out, I also would dive to the ground.
I would seriously punch someone that did that."
-Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:01 PM (Ri/rl)
When some fucker with a sniper rifle that can turn your head into a fine mist "sweeps" you?
You tend to get a little "punchy".
I would seriously punch someone that did that."
-Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:01 PM (Ri/rl)
When some fucker with a sniper rifle that can turn your head into a fine mist "sweeps" you?
You tend to get a little "punchy".
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:03 PM (Ckg4U)
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I was lucky, I found a head that had a larger eye than the normal run of repro's and I have been searching gun shows and flea markets for a while looking for another one.
The cast pipe head I'm using is a oversized blank from Jim Chambers - it has a nice big eye (1 3/16" x 1 5/8", I think) and a lot of meat that can be filed into virtually any original shape, but will require a LOT of work in consequence and has to be heat-treated to become a working tool.
Jim doesn't have it up on his website yet (www.flintlocks.com) but if you are interested you could give him a call.
The cast pipe head I'm using is a oversized blank from Jim Chambers - it has a nice big eye (1 3/16" x 1 5/8", I think) and a lot of meat that can be filed into virtually any original shape, but will require a LOT of work in consequence and has to be heat-treated to become a working tool.
Jim doesn't have it up on his website yet (www.flintlocks.com) but if you are interested you could give him a call.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 03:03 PM (bZ7mE)
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There is a magpul stock for the takedowns as someone mentioned
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 03:03 PM (Bh6pi)
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2017 03:04 PM (GLtAj)
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It's big brother in the safe is rounds 2 thru 13.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:58 PM (CeVa5)
My favorite pistol.
[Don't tell my Colt 1911]
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:58 PM (CeVa5)
My favorite pistol.
[Don't tell my Colt 1911]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 03:04 PM (wYseH)
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341 "Yeah. It's a struggle. My inner monologue would horrify most people."
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
*HAH!*
Try Me.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (Ckg4U)
Doesn't count. You're just as weird as me.
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 02:54 PM (NWiLs)
*HAH!*
Try Me.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 02:59 PM (Ckg4U)
Doesn't count. You're just as weird as me.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (NWiLs)
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MIM article is interesting.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (bZ7mE)
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I have never felt the need for a 22LR handgun. When I roam around our 52 acres I carry a Rossi 62 for game and varmints. The Rossi is more accurate than my 10/22. This is not to disparage those who find a need for a 22LR handgun. To me guns are just tools and a rifle fits my needs better than a handgun.
I wish our hunting regs would allow lever actions that fire 357 or 44. That would be my deer gun of choice over 12 guage slugs.
I wish our hunting regs would allow lever actions that fire 357 or 44. That would be my deer gun of choice over 12 guage slugs.
Posted by: colfax mingo at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (C8LGv)
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There is a magpul stock for the takedowns as someone mentioned
Posted by: The Jackhole
The Ruger 10/22? No fooling?
Posted by: The Jackhole
The Ruger 10/22? No fooling?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (CeVa5)
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Might be able to find a machinist who could do the work, not sure if it is worth it, "
Check around... I've surprised myself at what local guys can do for surprisingly few bucks.
Check around... I've surprised myself at what local guys can do for surprisingly few bucks.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (MINbv)
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Blaster, I have a P94 that is sa\da and has the decocker it is a great gun.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 03:06 PM (Bh6pi)
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red thanks, part of the hobby for me is scoring great deals on dies and components, usually from people getting out of the business. Got most of my basic reloading set-up from a guy up in Hemet who was changing tracks. Ridiculous deal, paid for itself in a few months.
Just enjoy keeping a watch on CalGuns for great reloading deals. They come along, over time. Sort of a game to acquire stuff for a fraction of MSRP, especially since it will outlive me (the equipment).
Just enjoy keeping a watch on CalGuns for great reloading deals. They come along, over time. Sort of a game to acquire stuff for a fraction of MSRP, especially since it will outlive me (the equipment).
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:06 PM (uyrlv)
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"That's our caveman mind, trying to protect us. Unfortunately it often applies itself in negative ways in modern society."
-Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 03:02 PM (3myMJ)
I know Insomniac a bit and I know he'll never call me.
As far as your psychobabble? It doesn't apply here.
-Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 03:02 PM (3myMJ)
I know Insomniac a bit and I know he'll never call me.
As far as your psychobabble? It doesn't apply here.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:07 PM (Ckg4U)
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The Ruger 10/22? No fooling?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (CeVa5)
Yeah it even clips together to male it one piece, has some other little do-dads that are cool as well
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (CeVa5)
Yeah it even clips together to male it one piece, has some other little do-dads that are cool as well
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 03:07 PM (Bh6pi)
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When some fucker with a sniper rifle that can turn your head into a fine mist "sweeps" you?
You tend to get a little "punchy".
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:03 PM (Ckg4U)
That's not funny at all. I wouldn't do that with a BB gun.
The thought of someone doing that really bothers me.
You tend to get a little "punchy".
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:03 PM (Ckg4U)
That's not funny at all. I wouldn't do that with a BB gun.
The thought of someone doing that really bothers me.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:08 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Meremortal at December 17, 2017 03:08 PM (3myMJ)
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"Doesn't count. You're just as weird as me."
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (NWiLs)
*HAH!*
...Jury rules it as "True".
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:05 PM (NWiLs)
*HAH!*
...Jury rules it as "True".
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:08 PM (Ckg4U)
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Gun Thread!!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:09 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:09 PM (Ckg4U)
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The New York Times@nytimes
In the last 3 years, Venezuela's economy has collapsed. Now, hunger grips the nation.
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Huh. I wonder what's causing that. I guess global warming.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Trump's draconian sanctions.
The New York Times@nytimes
In the last 3 years, Venezuela's economy has collapsed. Now, hunger grips the nation.
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Huh. I wonder what's causing that. I guess global warming.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Trump's draconian sanctions.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2017 03:10 PM (IqV8l)
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The magpul takedown stock has a storage port for 3 extra mags and an adjustable check riser
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura highway at December 17, 2017 03:10 PM (Bh6pi)
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The guy who leaned the loaded gun on the wooden rack was stupid but he was also the most unlucky guy in the world.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 17, 2017 03:11 PM (glJL/)
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IF done properly"
Applies to everything. Run across enough crappy forgings...
Anywho, fair number of MIM auto parts as well.
Applies to everything. Run across enough crappy forgings...
Anywho, fair number of MIM auto parts as well.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 03:11 PM (MINbv)
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I've been stunned, in a good way, at the lack of dangerous behavior observed at the range where I RO - so far. Not a single case of sweeping, which as noted is about as gross a violation of safety rules - and common sense - as it gets.
Indoor range I recently joined (location is the reason - other range, which is free to me, is a decent drive and not a place I can go quickly check some new reloads) has multiple ROs inside the shooting area, keeping a watch. Love that. And they focus on newbies and renters, usually easily identified.
Indoor range I recently joined (location is the reason - other range, which is free to me, is a decent drive and not a place I can go quickly check some new reloads) has multiple ROs inside the shooting area, keeping a watch. Love that. And they focus on newbies and renters, usually easily identified.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:11 PM (uyrlv)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:12 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 03:12 PM (r9UYA)
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Hey CaliGirl, noticed there's a small fire up near Los Alamos - though the (incredibly useless) CalFire incident report makes it sound like a small one, already being attacked. It sort of spit a few drops of rain yesterday at the shootin' match in east county.
Would be nice if this perfect weather were interrupted by just two days of rain. Would end the fire drama right quick.
Would be nice if this perfect weather were interrupted by just two days of rain. Would end the fire drama right quick.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:13 PM (uyrlv)
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337 ... redc1c4,
Starline is my favorite brass although I'll use any I can get. I can say I get more reloads out of Starline for 45 Colt than other makers.
I've been using Lee dies for over 30 years. Some folks knock them because they are less expensive but they have always done the job. In fact, most of my reloading gear is made by Lee.
When I have a new caliber to load, I always look at Cabelas, Midwayusa, and the other suppliers for sales. Can save some serious bucks that way.
Starline is my favorite brass although I'll use any I can get. I can say I get more reloads out of Starline for 45 Colt than other makers.
I've been using Lee dies for over 30 years. Some folks knock them because they are less expensive but they have always done the job. In fact, most of my reloading gear is made by Lee.
When I have a new caliber to load, I always look at Cabelas, Midwayusa, and the other suppliers for sales. Can save some serious bucks that way.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (V+03K)
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Yeah it even clips together to male it one piece, has some other little do-dads that are cool as well
Posted by: The Jackhole
Sweet! And Santazon delivers!
Posted by: The Jackhole
Sweet! And Santazon delivers!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (CeVa5)
Posted by: Titus Justus at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (794Ln)
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Welp, Phase I of my personal rifle range project is complete.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (Sfs6o)
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"Welp, Phase I of my personal rifle range project is complete."
-Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (Sfs6o)
You bought a rifle?
-Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (Sfs6o)
You bought a rifle?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:15 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:16 PM (NWiLs)
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...because that would be my first phase.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:16 PM (Ckg4U)
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376 Hey CaliGirl, noticed there's a small fire up near Los Alamos - though the (incredibly useless) CalFire incident report makes it sound like a small one, already being attacked. It sort of spit a few drops of rain yesterday at the shootin' match in east county.
Would be nice if this perfect weather were interrupted by just two days of rain. Would end the fire drama right quick.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:13 PM (uyrlv)
I think it's out. We were going to go to Pico for dinner but changed our minds because of that fire. I heard at first 100 acres, on drum canyon. I think it only burned 25 acres.
It could have been much worse, the wind was whipping around yesterday and changing directions.
Would be nice if this perfect weather were interrupted by just two days of rain. Would end the fire drama right quick.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:13 PM (uyrlv)
I think it's out. We were going to go to Pico for dinner but changed our minds because of that fire. I heard at first 100 acres, on drum canyon. I think it only burned 25 acres.
It could have been much worse, the wind was whipping around yesterday and changing directions.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:16 PM (Ri/rl)
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You bought a rifle?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:15 PM (Ckg4U)
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I bought a farm!
You bought a rifle?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:15 PM (Ckg4U)
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I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
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Welp, Phase I of my personal rifle range project is complete.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (Sfs6o)
The toilet paper trees, correct?
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (Sfs6o)
The toilet paper trees, correct?
Posted by: stace at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (6HFDU)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (MINbv)
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"Aw, shucks."
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:16 PM (NWiLs)
It has been proven true night after night, amigo.
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:16 PM (NWiLs)
It has been proven true night after night, amigo.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (Ckg4U)
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I enjoy a "fellow weirdo". Insomniac is right up my alley.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:12 PM (Ckg4U)
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are we not doing "phrasing" any more?
I enjoy a "fellow weirdo". Insomniac is right up my alley.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:12 PM (Ckg4U)
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are we not doing "phrasing" any more?
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (TxQUe)
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The toilet paper trees, correct?
Posted by: stace at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (6HFDU)
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Yep! I now own a zillion pine trees.
Posted by: stace at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (6HFDU)
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Yep! I now own a zillion pine trees.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (Sfs6o)
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385
You bought a rifle?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:15 PM (Ckg4U)
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I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
What?! Oh, "a" farm, not "the" farm.
You bought a rifle?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:15 PM (Ckg4U)
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I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
What?! Oh, "a" farm, not "the" farm.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (NWiLs)
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"I bought a farm!"
-Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
Now you need a rifle and a birm.
-Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
Now you need a rifle and a birm.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:19 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:19 PM (Ckg4U)
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Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (NWiLs)
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Yeah - a distinction with a difference!
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (NWiLs)
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Yeah - a distinction with a difference!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:20 PM (Sfs6o)
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Congratulations, Weasel! That's very exciting.
Posted by: stace at December 17, 2017 03:20 PM (6HFDU)
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JTB, fsreloading.com for Lee stuff. Down the street from Lee, something like their authorized outlet or something. Anyway, few bucks off on any Lee items, usually best I can find. Titan Reloading has also had good deals on Lee stuff in the past.
And yes the Lee stuff is perfectly adequate for me (and probably most people). I don't have an interest in doing super high-quality or precision reloading - basically just replace factory ammo - but even if I did, I think Lee would still be useful. Their relatively new auto-drum powder measure is outstanding. More consistent than I need it to be, for my purposes, with any ball powder.
And yes the Lee stuff is perfectly adequate for me (and probably most people). I don't have an interest in doing super high-quality or precision reloading - basically just replace factory ammo - but even if I did, I think Lee would still be useful. Their relatively new auto-drum powder measure is outstanding. More consistent than I need it to be, for my purposes, with any ball powder.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:20 PM (uyrlv)
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H&K USP. Chamber round. Use de-cocker. Drop hammer.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Sigs are set up the same way. Both are too rich for my blood.
Posted by: Insomniac
CZ 75.
1st round DA, rounds 2 thru 9 - single action.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 02:48 PM (CeVa5)
Sigs are set up the same way. Both are too rich for my blood.
Posted by: Insomniac
CZ 75.
Posted by: e at December 17, 2017 03:20 PM (FnARv)
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What?! Oh, "a" farm, not "the" farm.
Weasel bought a farm. Buzzion bought the farm. Crucial difference.
Weasel bought a farm. Buzzion bought the farm. Crucial difference.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 17, 2017 03:20 PM (bZ7mE)
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I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
What?! Oh, "a" farm, not "the" farm.
Posted by: Insomniac -
Otherwise he'd have to change his nic to buzzionII.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
What?! Oh, "a" farm, not "the" farm.
Posted by: Insomniac -
Otherwise he'd have to change his nic to buzzionII.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2017 03:20 PM (CeVa5)
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385
You bought a rifle?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:15 PM (Ckg4U)
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I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
Congratulations!
Around here we call it a ranch, not a farm. I wonder why the regional differences. Even the dairy and cattle guys call it a ranch, the dairy guys refer to their property as a ranch but their activities on the ranch farming.
You bought a rifle?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:15 PM (Ckg4U)
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I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
Congratulations!
Around here we call it a ranch, not a farm. I wonder why the regional differences. Even the dairy and cattle guys call it a ranch, the dairy guys refer to their property as a ranch but their activities on the ranch farming.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:21 PM (Ri/rl)
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Weasel!! If you don't mind me asking, how did yesterday go down south? Mrs. JTB was wondering as well.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:21 PM (V+03K)
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"are we not doing "phrasing" any more?"
-Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (TxQUe)
Get lost, you. We were having a moment.
-Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (TxQUe)
Get lost, you. We were having a moment.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:21 PM (Ckg4U)
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Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:19 PM (Ckg4U)
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That's phase II when I hire a guy with a bulldozer to mow down a few acres of trees.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:19 PM (Ckg4U)
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That's phase II when I hire a guy with a bulldozer to mow down a few acres of trees.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:21 PM (Sfs6o)
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>>I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
Congrats. Order your green jeans and John Deere ASAP.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
Congrats. Order your green jeans and John Deere ASAP.
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 03:22 PM (r9UYA)
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401 Weasel!! If you don't mind me asking, how did yesterday go down south? Mrs. JTB was wondering as well.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:21 PM (V+03K)
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Operation Lost My Mind is proceeding on schedule. Agreed on terms, and will settle in a few weeks.
401 Weasel!! If you don't mind me asking, how did yesterday go down south? Mrs. JTB was wondering as well.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:21 PM (V+03K)
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Operation Lost My Mind is proceeding on schedule. Agreed on terms, and will settle in a few weeks.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:23 PM (Sfs6o)
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Ahhh, farm life. I hear it's nice.
I live among several farms, but sadly my little "compound" is not suited for said farming.
Scheming to take over the world, yes. Farming, no.
I live among several farms, but sadly my little "compound" is not suited for said farming.
Scheming to take over the world, yes. Farming, no.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at December 17, 2017 03:23 PM (iiixZ)
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I bought a farm!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
What?! Oh, "a" farm, not "the" farm.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (NWiLs)
When I ask my husband where he's going he replies, to the ranch. We farm on 20 different ranches but they're all "the" ranch.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Sfs6o)
What?! Oh, "a" farm, not "the" farm.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:18 PM (NWiLs)
When I ask my husband where he's going he replies, to the ranch. We farm on 20 different ranches but they're all "the" ranch.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:24 PM (Ri/rl)
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I'm modeling Happy Place Farm after Hooterville.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:25 PM (Sfs6o)
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Weasel, that's fantastic. One's own rifle range.
On The High Road, I think in the reloading forum under the threat "Show Pics of Your Reloading Bench", there have been over the years amazing photos of guys who live on some land in rural areas. Their "reloading bench" is an entire room, with a window that opens onto a shooting range, with target distances marked out to 100, 200, 500 yds etc. So the guy just rolls his chair over to the firing window to test fire a load. Jeebus.
Look forward to the day Weasel hosts the Morons' Invitational rifle match, which will surely come to be mentioned in the same reverent tones as Camp Perry or NRA/Raton ......
On The High Road, I think in the reloading forum under the threat "Show Pics of Your Reloading Bench", there have been over the years amazing photos of guys who live on some land in rural areas. Their "reloading bench" is an entire room, with a window that opens onto a shooting range, with target distances marked out to 100, 200, 500 yds etc. So the guy just rolls his chair over to the firing window to test fire a load. Jeebus.
Look forward to the day Weasel hosts the Morons' Invitational rifle match, which will surely come to be mentioned in the same reverent tones as Camp Perry or NRA/Raton ......
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:26 PM (uyrlv)
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Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:24 PM (Ri/rl)
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I think this would be a ranch ette
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:24 PM (Ri/rl)
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I think this would be a ranch ette
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:26 PM (Sfs6o)
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408 I'm modeling Happy Place Farm after Hooterville.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:25 PM (Sfs6o)
Hire some Hee Haw Honeys. You know, to, uh, help plow the soil. Yeah.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:25 PM (Sfs6o)
Hire some Hee Haw Honeys. You know, to, uh, help plow the soil. Yeah.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 17, 2017 03:27 PM (NWiLs)
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Update to the Prayer List:
'Just wondering- My sister Lisa had a large brain tumor removed, is partly paralyzed and wheel chair bound with memory issues and heart failure - needs prayers for her encouragement and recovery.
Also, our family needs prayers after the recent death of our father, after the passing of our mother last year. We've been through a rough patch.'
Thoughts and prayers for 'Just Wondering', Lisa and her friends and Family.
'Just wondering- My sister Lisa had a large brain tumor removed, is partly paralyzed and wheel chair bound with memory issues and heart failure - needs prayers for her encouragement and recovery.
Also, our family needs prayers after the recent death of our father, after the passing of our mother last year. We've been through a rough patch.'
Thoughts and prayers for 'Just Wondering', Lisa and her friends and Family.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:27 PM (Ckg4U)
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Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:24 PM (Ri/rl)
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I think this would be a ranch ette
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:26 PM (Sfs6o)
You need a seed or John Deere baseball hat and a cowboy hat. And some boots.
I don't care if it's a ranchette, you need to look the part. Also a truck.
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I think this would be a ranch ette
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:26 PM (Sfs6o)
You need a seed or John Deere baseball hat and a cowboy hat. And some boots.
I don't care if it's a ranchette, you need to look the part. Also a truck.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:28 PM (Ri/rl)
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Weasel, That is great news! Congratulations!
Next question: is there fishable water on the property?
Next question: is there fishable water on the property?
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:28 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:29 PM (uyrlv)
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they're all "the" ranch.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:24 PM (Ri/rl)
When I lived in Northern CA ( a long time ago) I used to go abalone diving with a friend who had an arrangement with one of the bigger dairy ranchers on the North Coast.
The problem was that his land seemed like it stretched off and on for dozens of miles!
So I had no idea how long a drive it was going to be.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:24 PM (Ri/rl)
When I lived in Northern CA ( a long time ago) I used to go abalone diving with a friend who had an arrangement with one of the bigger dairy ranchers on the North Coast.
The problem was that his land seemed like it stretched off and on for dozens of miles!
So I had no idea how long a drive it was going to be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 03:29 PM (wYseH)
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414 Weasel, That is great news! Congratulations!
Next question: is there fishable water on the property?
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:28 PM (V+03K)
*waits expectantly*
Next question: is there fishable water on the property?
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:28 PM (V+03K)
*waits expectantly*
Posted by: EPA at December 17, 2017 03:29 PM (NWiLs)
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Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:28 PM (V+03K)
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It's about 100' from the James River!
And CaliGirl - I am definitely going to need to do something about my ride to fit in.
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It's about 100' from the James River!
And CaliGirl - I am definitely going to need to do something about my ride to fit in.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:30 PM (Sfs6o)
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CaliGirl think it's simply got to be the western regional history - ranch vs. farm.
Avocado "ranches" were always my favorite around here - and I'm old enough to recall (as a little kid) the last of the small truck farms, and dairy farms, where today stand malls, and housing, etc. Those were called "farms". Only avocado places, and of course places in east county with horses etc., were called "ranches".
Avocado "ranches" were always my favorite around here - and I'm old enough to recall (as a little kid) the last of the small truck farms, and dairy farms, where today stand malls, and housing, etc. Those were called "farms". Only avocado places, and of course places in east county with horses etc., were called "ranches".
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:31 PM (uyrlv)
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I always thought that a "Ranch" had livestock while a "Farm" had vegetables.
Hybrids are of course "A Thing".
Hybrids are of course "A Thing".
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:31 PM (Ckg4U)
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Why would anyone carry a weapon not instantly usable? My Dad (a line NCO who WAS in combat) explained the difference to me one day.
A pistol without one in the pipe is a rock. A rifle with an empty chamber is a club.
I carry a 1911A1 cocked and locked. Did so in the service, so it was no big deal to have the hammer eared back always. I do understand the reluctance to carry it so, but the weapon IS designed to be used this way.
Why would anyone carry a weapon not instantly usable? My Dad (a line NCO who WAS in combat) explained the difference to me one day.
A pistol without one in the pipe is a rock. A rifle with an empty chamber is a club.
I carry a 1911A1 cocked and locked. Did so in the service, so it was no big deal to have the hammer eared back always. I do understand the reluctance to carry it so, but the weapon IS designed to be used this way.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 17, 2017 03:32 PM (S/hVx)
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Weasel besides lead farming what else, cows? Corn?chickens?
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:33 PM (aC6Sd)
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420 I always thought that a "Ranch" had livestock while a "Farm" had vegetables.
Hybrids are of course "A Thing".
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:31 PM (Ckg4U)
Dairy farms have cattle. The dairy farms are on a ranch. Maybe it's a California thing.
Hybrids are of course "A Thing".
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:31 PM (Ckg4U)
Dairy farms have cattle. The dairy farms are on a ranch. Maybe it's a California thing.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:35 PM (Ri/rl)
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"Weasel besides lead farming what else, cows? Corn? chickens?"
-Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:33 PM (aC6Sd)
I've tried to grow lead. It turns-out that you have to mine that shit.
Lead don't grow on trees.
-Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:33 PM (aC6Sd)
I've tried to grow lead. It turns-out that you have to mine that shit.
Lead don't grow on trees.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:35 PM (Ckg4U)
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CBD, that would be full-wetsuit abalone diving, up there.
A quick measure of how abalone went from commonplace to non-existent/banned from fishing etc. in SoCal was that, in junior high school, one of the projects in metal shop was ..... an aluminum abalone knife!
Now - if there WERE metal shop, and what pass for parents and children could bear the thought of something as oppressive and scary as a tool to harvest poor widdle creatures from the sea, there would still be mass hysteria over anything called a "knife" being allowed, much less MADE! on school premises.
And one must assume that San Clemente Island, a fed govt reservation for decades, naval artillery range, SEAL training center, and site of lots of hush-hush military tech development, suffers occasional "poaching" of its intact abalone resources. Isolation + diving equipment ....... as I said, one "imagines" it must happen. Ahemm.
A quick measure of how abalone went from commonplace to non-existent/banned from fishing etc. in SoCal was that, in junior high school, one of the projects in metal shop was ..... an aluminum abalone knife!
Now - if there WERE metal shop, and what pass for parents and children could bear the thought of something as oppressive and scary as a tool to harvest poor widdle creatures from the sea, there would still be mass hysteria over anything called a "knife" being allowed, much less MADE! on school premises.
And one must assume that San Clemente Island, a fed govt reservation for decades, naval artillery range, SEAL training center, and site of lots of hush-hush military tech development, suffers occasional "poaching" of its intact abalone resources. Isolation + diving equipment ....... as I said, one "imagines" it must happen. Ahemm.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:36 PM (uyrlv)
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"Dairy farms have cattle. The dairy farms are on a ranch. Maybe it's a California thing."
-Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:35 PM (Ri/rl)
I don't know. I'm from the Concrete Jungle.
-Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:35 PM (Ri/rl)
I don't know. I'm from the Concrete Jungle.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:37 PM (Ckg4U)
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422 Weasel besides lead farming what else, cows? Corn?chickens?
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:33 PM (aC6Sd)
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Loblolly Pine. 54 acres of pine trees.
422 Weasel besides lead farming what else, cows? Corn?chickens?
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:33 PM (aC6Sd)
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Loblolly Pine. 54 acres of pine trees.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:37 PM (Sfs6o)
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I'm going to the range in a bit I've a doz 15 rd. Mags just waitin' to be used in my M-9 and my Sub 2000. See ya later!
McGyver, Out
McGyver, Out
Posted by: McGyver at December 17, 2017 03:37 PM (5HYYq)
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And CaliGirl - I am definitely going to need to do something about my ride to fit in.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:30 PM (
One old time rancher/farmer I knew had a diesel Mercedes as a field car. We all thought that was funny and crazy.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:30 PM (
One old time rancher/farmer I knew had a diesel Mercedes as a field car. We all thought that was funny and crazy.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:37 PM (Ri/rl)
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Weasel - That much ground chickens are easy, and tasty
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:38 PM (aC6Sd)
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Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:31 PM (uyrlv)
They are all ranches here, I'm guessing it's a regional thing because this area used to be all cattle ranches.
They are all ranches here, I'm guessing it's a regional thing because this area used to be all cattle ranches.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:39 PM (Ri/rl)
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Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:37 PM (Ri/rl)
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I haven't quite figured out logistics but I may get an old pickup to avoid looking like a Yankee!
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I haven't quite figured out logistics but I may get an old pickup to avoid looking like a Yankee!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:40 PM (Sfs6o)
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Posted by: Surfperch at December 17, 2017 03:40 PM (3s1Os)
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Interesting about how lead is in fact farmed out of shooting range berms. President of local range explained it to me that there's a bit of art in knowing when to call in the contractor - if they extract a certain minimum amount of usable metals, the service is free, or practically free. So you want to wait until it's "time" to do it.
Range makes a lot of $$$ from selling brass (mostly .556, 9mm, and .40) - military and LE agencies use it a lot.
Range makes a lot of $$$ from selling brass (mostly .556, 9mm, and .40) - military and LE agencies use it a lot.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:41 PM (uyrlv)
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looking through reviews of tomahawks remind me that blades make men so incredibly defensive and opinionated when they roll their self-esteem into it. We are a stupid species at times.
I go for a tomahawk with a broad poll on the back side for driving stakes, and for having that handy bashing surface when the blade is not what I need.
I like the trail hawk style best, it has a narrow width blade that works well on hard wood as well as fir and pine.
Oh, and I SAY I need a tomahawk for camp chores, but I REALLY want one for is to have that handy bit of kit in case of emergencies when something needs to be whacked hard.
I go for a tomahawk with a broad poll on the back side for driving stakes, and for having that handy bashing surface when the blade is not what I need.
I like the trail hawk style best, it has a narrow width blade that works well on hard wood as well as fir and pine.
Oh, and I SAY I need a tomahawk for camp chores, but I REALLY want one for is to have that handy bit of kit in case of emergencies when something needs to be whacked hard.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 17, 2017 03:41 PM (2K6fY)
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I'd just like to thank OregonMuse again for offering to post The Prayer List every Tuesday.
Thank You, Good Sir.
Thank You, Good Sir.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:41 PM (Ckg4U)
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430 Weasel - That much ground chickens are easy, and tasty
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:38 PM (aC6Sd)
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Might scare WeaselDog as she adapts to her new role as a weekend farm dog.
430 Weasel - That much ground chickens are easy, and tasty
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2017 03:38 PM (aC6Sd)
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Might scare WeaselDog as she adapts to her new role as a weekend farm dog.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:43 PM (Sfs6o)
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CBD, that would be full-wetsuit abalone diving, up there.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:36 PM (uyrlv)
Oh yes, and not thin tropical suits either. And full hoods and booties and gloves. And I still froze my ass off.
My record is a 9 5/8" abalone.
I still have all of my equipment, even though I will never dive for abalone again. It's sad.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:36 PM (uyrlv)
Oh yes, and not thin tropical suits either. And full hoods and booties and gloves. And I still froze my ass off.
My record is a 9 5/8" abalone.
I still have all of my equipment, even though I will never dive for abalone again. It's sad.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2017 03:45 PM (wYseH)
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Thank You, Good Sir.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:41 PM (
Thank you for compiling it.
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Thank you for compiling it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:47 PM (Ri/rl)
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CBD I really should learn/acquire dry-suit diving and get back under the water, but that's just one more hobby that is languishing at the moment. Any CA diving is really thick suit/booties/hood diving, and I hate all that stuff.
Most of my diving has been in the tropics, though I grew up snorkeling in chilly SoCal waters. Would like to dive the Bikini fleet some day, but would need nitrox (or more) to make much of that, I think.
Most of my diving has been in the tropics, though I grew up snorkeling in chilly SoCal waters. Would like to dive the Bikini fleet some day, but would need nitrox (or more) to make much of that, I think.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 03:50 PM (uyrlv)
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-Posted by: CaliGirl at December 17, 2017 03:47 PM (Ri/rl)
I'm surprised no one had done it before me.
I'm surprised no one had done it before me.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:51 PM (Ckg4U)
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Weasel, if you going to clear a few acres of pine, check with GP or Weyhauser and they may remove and pay you for the timber or pulp wood.
I seem to remember they classify timber as a tree that's 10" wide at 12 feet. Anything smaller is considered pulp wood. I may be wrong.
I seem to remember they classify timber as a tree that's 10" wide at 12 feet. Anything smaller is considered pulp wood. I may be wrong.
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 03:52 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2017 03:55 PM (cCxiu)
444
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 03:52 PM (r9UYA)
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Thanks UF. This is 7-8 yo pulpwood. I am going to check locally to see if there is a market for it now.
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Thanks UF. This is 7-8 yo pulpwood. I am going to check locally to see if there is a market for it now.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2017 03:55 PM (Sfs6o)
445
Speaking of no serial number, what about parts guns? Number not filed off but someone assembled it from parts years ago (pre 6
. Just wondering as I have come across these before.
. Just wondering as I have come across these before.Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2017 03:57 PM (cCxiu)
446
pre 1968.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2017 03:58 PM (cCxiu)
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Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 17, 2017 03:58 PM (y3aQB)
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*NOOD FOOD!*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 17, 2017 03:58 PM (Ckg4U)
449
What if there was a tax law ruling to allow a handgun purchase to be a tax deduction or credit. What would that do to city and state possession laws? It would be a big old FU to people that liked unarmed poor people.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 04:04 PM (BtQd4)
450
Latest mischievous bit from the guys at Black Rifle Coffee. Christmas carol melodies, done with lead -
https://youtu.be/f782hMNuob4
https://youtu.be/f782hMNuob4
Posted by: rhomboid at December 17, 2017 04:04 PM (uyrlv)
451
I learned in Monterey in order to dive in Hawaii and Australia. My interest in returning to Monterey is at absolute zero. Let tougher people do that.
Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2017 04:08 PM (K0iLX)
452
On diesel field cars, an old story from the sheep "stations" of Oz:
Old sheepherder brings in his tall, stately Rolls Royce for a trade-in. The salesman proudly shows him the modern re-styling, with no running boards.
"Humph," goes the countryman. "Where d'ya put the bloody dead sheep"?
And that's our joke here, whenever we see a Rolls (neighbor has one).
In other times, since they were stout and reliable, they went to work.
Old sheepherder brings in his tall, stately Rolls Royce for a trade-in. The salesman proudly shows him the modern re-styling, with no running boards.
"Humph," goes the countryman. "Where d'ya put the bloody dead sheep"?
And that's our joke here, whenever we see a Rolls (neighbor has one).
In other times, since they were stout and reliable, they went to work.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 17, 2017 04:16 PM (H5rtT)
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Weasel, we had hundreds of acres of loblolly planted up here by Govt in the 1930's. Everybody was so proud of that reforestation.
Then ten years ago an actual forester checked the woods, and that breed never belonged here. In a drought, their core goes up like a torch and can spread a forest fire to a mile away. They're safe in a rain forest, and that's about it.
So, little at a time, they are removing them, and only the secret govt bureau knows what's going in instead. Semi-deciduous Eastern white pine can present quite a fire hazard on the woods floor, but we don't have super-bad drought that often. The loblolly was taken to be something special that way.
So, if you sell off your phone poles there, talk to a biology guy to re-plant.
Then ten years ago an actual forester checked the woods, and that breed never belonged here. In a drought, their core goes up like a torch and can spread a forest fire to a mile away. They're safe in a rain forest, and that's about it.
So, little at a time, they are removing them, and only the secret govt bureau knows what's going in instead. Semi-deciduous Eastern white pine can present quite a fire hazard on the woods floor, but we don't have super-bad drought that often. The loblolly was taken to be something special that way.
So, if you sell off your phone poles there, talk to a biology guy to re-plant.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 17, 2017 04:23 PM (H5rtT)
454
377 337 ... redc1c4,
Starline is my favorite brass although I'll use any I can get. I can say I get more reloads out of Starline for 45 Colt than other makers.
I've been using Lee dies for over 30 years. Some folks knock them because they are less expensive but they have always done the job. In fact, most of my reloading gear is made by Lee.
When I have a new caliber to load, I always look at Cabelas, Midwayusa, and the other suppliers for sales. Can save some serious bucks that way.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (V+03K)
The Lee dies are great for everything except the most exacting match rounds (and even then they're probably fine, if you have the proper skills). I'm a big fan of their Factory Crimp dies, and I use them even when I'm running another company's dies.
One of the best things with the Lee dies is that they have flats on the bodies so you can hold them steady with a wrench while tightening the lock nut. The rounded knurled bodies on the Lyman dies piss me the hell off. It's impossible to keep them absolutely steady.
At first, I didn't like the Lee lock nuts with the o-ring, thought they were cheap. But after using several other makes and having various problems using them in a turret press, I've gone back to the Lees. They just....work.
The other stuff Lee has tends to be hit and miss though. I like the priming system on the Anniversary singlestage press, but it's all plastic except for the priming arm and it doesn't inspire confidence. It's a shame, because the actual priming action is very nice, and I'm kind of meh on the priming in my Lyman turret press (the press itself is awesome). The balance scale and standard powder measure from Lee are awful, really inconsistent. Though, I'll say that the plastic that Lee uses doesn't generate static electricity that has half your powder clinging to the side of the reservoir.
377 337 ... redc1c4,
Starline is my favorite brass although I'll use any I can get. I can say I get more reloads out of Starline for 45 Colt than other makers.
I've been using Lee dies for over 30 years. Some folks knock them because they are less expensive but they have always done the job. In fact, most of my reloading gear is made by Lee.
When I have a new caliber to load, I always look at Cabelas, Midwayusa, and the other suppliers for sales. Can save some serious bucks that way.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2017 03:14 PM (V+03K)
The Lee dies are great for everything except the most exacting match rounds (and even then they're probably fine, if you have the proper skills). I'm a big fan of their Factory Crimp dies, and I use them even when I'm running another company's dies.
One of the best things with the Lee dies is that they have flats on the bodies so you can hold them steady with a wrench while tightening the lock nut. The rounded knurled bodies on the Lyman dies piss me the hell off. It's impossible to keep them absolutely steady.
At first, I didn't like the Lee lock nuts with the o-ring, thought they were cheap. But after using several other makes and having various problems using them in a turret press, I've gone back to the Lees. They just....work.
The other stuff Lee has tends to be hit and miss though. I like the priming system on the Anniversary singlestage press, but it's all plastic except for the priming arm and it doesn't inspire confidence. It's a shame, because the actual priming action is very nice, and I'm kind of meh on the priming in my Lyman turret press (the press itself is awesome). The balance scale and standard powder measure from Lee are awful, really inconsistent. Though, I'll say that the plastic that Lee uses doesn't generate static electricity that has half your powder clinging to the side of the reservoir.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2017 04:26 PM (veoSD)
455
always thought that a "Ranch" had livestock while a "Farm" had vegetables.
There are regional variations in usage, but "ranch" originally implied a situation where the animals were allowed to run free-range, typically being rounded up only at harvest time (for meat, wool, etc.), while "farm" implied a lot of regular hands-on work (either with animals or crops).
So, beef "ranch", but dairy "farm".
There are regional variations in usage, but "ranch" originally implied a situation where the animals were allowed to run free-range, typically being rounded up only at harvest time (for meat, wool, etc.), while "farm" implied a lot of regular hands-on work (either with animals or crops).
So, beef "ranch", but dairy "farm".
Posted by: Lena Dunham's Ex-Dog at December 17, 2017 04:38 PM (mgbY3)
456
The stupid people gun video is fun.
Missing the one of the 19 year old making a youtube vid of himself handling a gun, acting all gangsta, the gun goes off, guy says
"My Mom's gonna kill me!"
Missing the one of the 19 year old making a youtube vid of himself handling a gun, acting all gangsta, the gun goes off, guy says
"My Mom's gonna kill me!"
Posted by: navybrat at December 17, 2017 04:51 PM (w7KSn)
457
Grey Fox, if it were my handle I'd rip it lengthwise, with saw kerf parallel to the grain, use a cove bit in the router table to make a half-round slot the length of each piece, then glue the halves back together. Titebond III would be best... unless you wanted to go hi-tech. One can buy thin carbon-fiber strips at Luthier's Mercantile Inc (they're used to stiffen guitar braces and necks); you'd then use epoxy to rejoin the halves, with a thin black line at the joint, but you'd seriously stiffen the handle, almost invisibly.
Posted by: Cowboyneal - the other Jewish carpenter at December 17, 2017 04:58 PM (k2KmM)
458
We arranged to put cattle on a piece of our land for the ag exemption. If it works out we'll expand.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 17, 2017 05:10 PM (QsxPD)
459
Well then we should just eliminate handicap spots and fines.
https://tinyurl.com/y9ooavkh
https://tinyurl.com/y9ooavkh
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2017 05:39 PM (BtQd4)
460
I don't have a 1/4" drill bit long enough to make a 20"+ hole, nor can I readily buy one it appears....
Check out a True Value or an Ace Hardware site.
Check out a True Value or an Ace Hardware site.
Posted by: JT at December 17, 2017 05:44 PM (ljqwg)
461
>>459 Well then we should just eliminate handicap spots and fines.
https://tinyurl.com/y9ooavkh
They just built a new yuge Home Depot by us and they put in at least 30 handicap spots. At Home Depot.
When was the last time you witnessed a handicapped person taking out a 4x8 sheet of plywood or a cart of cinder blocks?
That many handicap spots are complete BS.
https://tinyurl.com/y9ooavkh
They just built a new yuge Home Depot by us and they put in at least 30 handicap spots. At Home Depot.
When was the last time you witnessed a handicapped person taking out a 4x8 sheet of plywood or a cart of cinder blocks?
That many handicap spots are complete BS.
Posted by: Under Fire at December 17, 2017 06:09 PM (r9UYA)
462
There's something about 22s that the manufacturers don't want to even try to have mags with capacities greater than 10, which has always been very odd (and it isn't about the rims).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (8gDQu)
I know I'm late to the party as usual, but it actually does have something to do with the rims.
I you look at the bx 25 mags for the ruger 10/22 you'll notice the curvature. Much like an ak round with its mildly conical shape, the rim on the .22 causes and necessitates a curved magazine, for larger capacity at least.
That may be the reason for limiting mag size to ten, as pistols have deep mag wells and wouldn't fare well with the curve past 10.
Just guessin.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2017 02:14 PM (8gDQu)
I know I'm late to the party as usual, but it actually does have something to do with the rims.
I you look at the bx 25 mags for the ruger 10/22 you'll notice the curvature. Much like an ak round with its mildly conical shape, the rim on the .22 causes and necessitates a curved magazine, for larger capacity at least.
That may be the reason for limiting mag size to ten, as pistols have deep mag wells and wouldn't fare well with the curve past 10.
Just guessin.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 17, 2017 06:47 PM (z79tQ)
463
Late to the party, as usual, but would like to make a few comments in response to previous posts.
(113) Try the Federal Auto Match ammo. We get bulk boxes (325 rounds for $14.99 at Walmart, no limit per customer). It's been stellar in just about everything we've run it in, autoloaders, single-actions, bolties and leverguns.
(144) If you're running a 1911, invest in a .22LR conversion kit from Kimber. We've got two, one full-size, and one compact, and they're great! Decently accurate, quite reliable, and very tolerant of a variety of .22LR ammo.
(217) Every Savage rifle I've ever dealt with was way more accurate than the price would indicate. In the .22 versions, the magazines suck, but the rifles will shoot great!
(22 The .22 LR uses a heeled bullet, so the cartridge case is the same diameter as the bullet. The .22 Mag case neck is larger than the bullet diameter. Does that make sense? If it does, I may have explained it wrong.
Hope this helps!
(113) Try the Federal Auto Match ammo. We get bulk boxes (325 rounds for $14.99 at Walmart, no limit per customer). It's been stellar in just about everything we've run it in, autoloaders, single-actions, bolties and leverguns.
(144) If you're running a 1911, invest in a .22LR conversion kit from Kimber. We've got two, one full-size, and one compact, and they're great! Decently accurate, quite reliable, and very tolerant of a variety of .22LR ammo.
(217) Every Savage rifle I've ever dealt with was way more accurate than the price would indicate. In the .22 versions, the magazines suck, but the rifles will shoot great!
(22
The .22 LR uses a heeled bullet, so the cartridge case is the same diameter as the bullet. The .22 Mag case neck is larger than the bullet diameter. Does that make sense? If it does, I may have explained it wrong.
Hope this helps!
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