The Sexual Harassment Apocalypse... Why Now?

I'm old enough to remember when the progressive left first weaponized sexual harassment. It occurred during the early 90s when they thought they could use it to keep a conservative judge, Clarence Thomas, from SCOTUS.

And it almost worked; the Senate vote was very close.

That was when I first heard assertions such as: women don't lie about sexual harassment, women are always to be believed, and even the mere accusation of such crimes is sufficient to banish someone from public office. I don't remember hearing these assertions even being debated, they were just put forth as settled facts.

Of course, all that suddenly changed during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, but that's another story.

But right now, the left is reeling from one hammer blow after another as women are lining up to claim that this Democratic senator, donor, or media figure tried to grope me, rape me, or ram his tongue down my throat.

So the question is, why now, in 2017, is the house of cards that the left has been building and expanding for over two decades suddenly starting to collapse on them?

(Yes, I know two Republicans have also been caught up in this. But Barton probably didn't do anything illegal, and in fact, may have been the victim of revenge porn, and the case against Moore is looking more shakier each day)

This longish blog post over at Bookworm's site attempts to explain how we got here by starting with the moral collapse of the 1960s. It's an interesting read.

Another good article is Sex, Power, Weakness and Evil on The Other McCain blog, which deals with a number of related images, including this sobering admonition for humility:

“And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil,” Jesus taught His disciples to pray. Knowing our own weakness — “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” — Christians ought to be humble, and to fear any situation that might tempt us to sin. Are you a stronger or more virtuous man than Bill Clinton? You ought to hesitate before answering “yes,” lest the Devil decide to prove you wrong.

Me, I think God is just forcing the Democrats to play by their own rules. They've sewn the wind, now they're reaping the whirlwind.

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I've always believed that Hillary can only be understood in a religious context, i.e. in terms of her religious upbringing. This is what I'm talking about:

"Hillary Clinton is part of the problem."

It is important to remember that she came from a prosperous Republican family. Her father was a successful businessman and in 1964, young Hillary Rodham was a "Goldwater Girl." Unfortunately, she was also a Methodist, and came under the influence of a church youth leader with a "social justice" outlook. She was swept along in the general leftward drift of the Methodist Church (like all WCC denominations) and also internalized the generational narcissism of the Baby Boomers.

Bright young people in the 1950s and '60s were repeatedly told that their generation were the future leaders of America. Their heads were filled with a lot of slogans about "democracy," "freedom" and "equality" and they weren't taught much about skepticism and humility. It would have been better for them if they had been given more good old-fashioned Calvinism, but instead their education turned them into fools, ready to believe in a lot of utopian dreams.

In a society where liberalism prevails among the academic elite, the more education you get, the more of a hopeless fool you become. By the time she went off to Wellesley, Hillary was already on the wrong path, and no one she encountered at college, or later at Yale Law, did anything to correct her path.

You can take the girl out of the religion, but you can't take the religion out of the girl.

Also,

"In a society where liberalism prevails among the academic elite, the more education you get, the more of a hopeless fool you become."

...is a great quote.

And let's not forget:

1997

Feb. 28: After she attended the taping of Clinton's radio show, she had her picture taken with him. He told her to see his secretary Betty Currie because he had something for her. Currie accompanied Lewinsky into the study next to the Oval Office. Then Currie walked into the nearby pantry, where she waited for about 15 minutes while Lewinsky and the president had a sexual encounter -- their first in 11 months...Lewinsky later discovered that the blue dress she had worn that day was stained with his semen.

And if she hadn't kept that blue dress (which was later used as the basis for a DNA test), the Clintons would be lying about Bill's many and various schtuppings TO THIS DAY. In order to get them to admit the truth, the hard evidence of their lying had to be shoved right into their smug, self-righteous faces. No, it's not a vast right-wing conspiracy, Mrs. Clinton, the DNA test results say otherwise.

I am once again reminded how thankful I am that Hillary Clinton will never be president.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 03:40 PM

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Posted by: Hotspur at November 24, 2017 03:39 PM (Grv+w)

2 Hillary Clinton will never be president of the USA.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 03:39 PM (GsAUU)

3 South Florida-Central Florida might be a 56-49 game.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 03:40 PM (GsAUU)

4 Why now? Social media. Verrry easy to jump on the #MeToo bus.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte at November 24, 2017 03:42 PM (B9dAp)

5 Don't forget that there was a horrible price paid for confirming Clarence Thomas.

Posted by: Carol Moseley Braun at November 24, 2017 03:43 PM (2Omzf)

6 Reap Me.

Posted by: The Whirlwind at November 24, 2017 03:43 PM (QQ+il)

7 Yeah Methodists been going downhill a long time. My great grandparents were Methodist missionaries in China. I'm not too sure about them, either, because their kids fell away straightaway and the family went all to shit after that.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte at November 24, 2017 03:44 PM (B9dAp)

8 Hey sweetie, would you make me a turkey sandwich?

Posted by: Uncle Joe Biden at November 24, 2017 03:45 PM (GsAUU)

9 And if she hadn't kept that blue dress (which was later used as the basis for a DNA test), the Clintons would be lying about Bill's many and various schtuppings TO THIS DAY. In order to get them to admit the truth, the hard evidence of their lying had to be shoved right into their smug, self-righteous faces.

And Lewinsky would have been in prison or the asylum. They were setting her up as the crazy threatening presidential stalker before the semen come out, so to speak.

Linda Tripp literally saved Monica's life.

Posted by: The Whirlwind at November 24, 2017 03:46 PM (QQ+il)

10 So happy you are back and on the mend, Mr. Muse!

Posted by: washrivergal at November 24, 2017 03:46 PM (tcwn1)

11 In the bigger picture bet your house the next Democratic nomination for President is a woman.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2017 03:46 PM (aC6Sd)

12 dammit

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 24, 2017 03:47 PM (QQ+il)

13 Sown

Posted by: A Message from the Office of the AoSHQ Chief Pedantic at November 24, 2017 03:48 PM (9SkN+)

14 Yet she persisted.

Posted by: fly gal at November 24, 2017 03:48 PM (6GvDL)

15 The rape culture that was thought to be in Leftist universities turned out was in Leftist Hollywood and DC

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2017 03:49 PM (aC6Sd)

16 The reason this is happening now is because they want to use the came charges to impeach Trump. Plain and simple.

Funny how things haven't really changed. Look at this pull quote from a 1991 Chicago Tribune article I linked below:

"it is time for our elected officials to act like men and not overgrown fraternity boys who use political position as the ultimate pickup line. And it's time for us to be realistic about the inevitable nexus between the personal and the political, about the essential contradiction between voting on issues that empower women and seeing them as inflatable dolls in private."

Some things never change.

https://tinyurl.com/y8semghu

Posted by: Trip at November 24, 2017 03:49 PM (PUXtA)

17 I remember seeing a big banner that said "The Shah Must Go!" hanging from some large Methodist agency building near Capitol Hill in 1978.

Yeah, how'd that work out for you?

Posted by: Furious George at November 24, 2017 03:49 PM (2Omzf)

18 There is almost no defense in this game.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 03:50 PM (GsAUU)

19 And if she hadn't kept that blue dress (which was later used as the basis for a DNA test), the Clintons would be lying about Bill's many and various schtuppings TO THIS DAY.

And if I had been driving a VW Beetle, I would have been President.

Posted by: zombie Sen Teddy Kennedy at November 24, 2017 03:50 PM (326rv)

20 10 So happy you are back and on the mend, Mr. Muse!
Posted by: washrivergal at November 24, 2017 03:46 PM (tcwn1)

X2

On topic, Uma Thurman hinting at a Weinstein tale.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2017 03:52 PM (tbOMB)

21 It feels like the left is so fanatically intent on creating a weapon to use against Trump that they don't seem to care how much collateral damage they take along the way. On of the many ways in which leftists resemble suicide bombers.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 24, 2017 03:52 PM (mynhJ)

22 This is about me, isn't it? *hic*

Posted by: Hillary at November 24, 2017 03:53 PM (6GvDL)

23 More than 20 years before the Clintons, I was lauded and rewarded for the worst wrong doing...And I got away with it. Democrats were emboldened by this.

And a generation of dem leaders and their useful idiots emulate me.

it's a pity about the truth coming out and me stuck in Hell, mostly about being stuck in Hell.

Posted by: zombie Sen Teddy Kennedy at November 24, 2017 03:53 PM (326rv)

24 Why are the revelations happening now?

Imho, it's because blunt truth is back in vogue. I credit PDJT and his tweets, and I debit TFG and his 8+ years of endless lies.

The Narrative has sunken deeper than that Argentinian sub.

Nice to see you back, OM. Pretty long essay for a one armed hunt and pecker.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2017 03:53 PM (0ogQG)

25 And if I had been driving a VW Beetle, I would have been President.
Posted by: zombie Sen Teddy Kennedy at November 24, 2017 03:50 PM (326rv)

And if I hadn't turned right at Franz Josef Street, there wouldn't have been a Hitler.

Posted by: Archduke Franz Ferdinand at November 24, 2017 03:54 PM (9SkN+)

26 Well, fwiw, my theory is that it was the election of PDT that set this all off - but not the way you might think.
For years and decades, no one spoke up because it was useless. It was just How Things Are; the people committing these crimes had the unquestioned power to make or break the victims. They were not going away, so you had to make your peace with it all as best you could.
The election of PDT was not supposed to happen. It couldn't happen, we were told daily. But it did. It was the crack in the facade that gave everyone the fleeting thought that the power of the oppressors might not be eternal after all. I think this happened at an unconscious level even for Democrats, at least ones with vestigial souls.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 24, 2017 03:55 PM (Ktb8D)

27 They've sewn the wind, now they're reaping the whirlwind.

Sown. Please.

And whatever you think about the outcome of the blue dress, Linda Tripp and Lucianne Goldberg are horrible horrible women.

Surely there's another way to make Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick credible other than letting that little coven brew its broth.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2017 03:55 PM (gIRsn)

28 Vengeful liberal, covered in pitch and straw from the torch-building party, informs that it has become time to begin the burning of The Unbelievers.

Lights torch, comedy ensues.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2017 03:56 PM (oVJmc)

29 Why are the revelations happening now?

Imho, it's because blunt truth is back in vogue. I credit PDJT and his tweets, and I debit TFG and his 8+ years of endless lies.

Also, kids and women get the short end of the stick (no pun intended) in Hollywood. Despite their posturing, that industry is vile and predatory toward both. And women have a tougher road and age out quicker then men.

Running someone as disliked as Hillary, who ran a shitty, hypocritical campaign didn't help.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 03:57 PM (326rv)

30 Hey, I like to watch. So fuck y'all.

Posted by: Betty Curry at November 24, 2017 03:57 PM (398bZ)

31 >>>>>Hillary Rodham was a "Goldwater Girl." Unfortunately, she was also a
Methodist, and came under the influence of a church youth leader with a
"social justice" outlook.
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.
.Yep, they were all over our Methodist Church in the 60s and 70s. We did multiple camping and canoeing trips with them and they never stopped preaching about social justice, blah, etc.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2017 03:57 PM (+Dllb)

32 I always thought of Hillary as more of a 'Cold Water Girl.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2017 03:59 PM (oVJmc)

33 Good afternoon, OM. Hope the rehab continues apace.

Religion may have exposed HRC to an SJW mindset and later education reinforced, or at least did not contradict, it. But I believe she wants power and the money that goes with it as her right and obsession. And she chose to take a completely immoral path to achieve this. I believe there is nothing she wouldn't do to get what she "deserves'. The end justifies any means.

If this sounds like a defintion of Satan, I won't argue. This creature and those like her are as evil as anything in human history.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2017 04:00 PM (V+03K)

34 24 nah
it began as a way to get the las vegas massacre out of the news and will be used with yet-undisclosed trump tidbits for 2020
it most assuredly has nothing to do with a pivot to self-honesty

Posted by: MAxIE at November 24, 2017 04:00 PM (9TR2V)

35 Beats working.

Posted by: eyeballing that Sweet Congressional Slush Fund at November 24, 2017 04:01 PM (HgMAr)

36 Sadly, it appears that even today when there are men with power over women, who can order them around, there will be sexual harassment. It seems to e in the nature of the beast.

So, at what point do we go back to talking about it being a bad idea to have women in the military?

Posted by: Spot at November 24, 2017 04:01 PM (uk240)

37 You said "reap" twice.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 24, 2017 04:01 PM (IqV8l)

38 Linda Tripp literally saved Monica's life.
Posted by: The Whirlwind at November 24, 2017 03:46 PM (QQ+il)

But they said Tripp was the crazy one.

Posted by: golfman at November 24, 2017 04:02 PM (48QDY)

39 27 And whatever you think about the outcome of the blue dress, Linda Tripp and Lucianne Goldberg are horrible horrible women.

Bander, I assume this is the same person that has the website Lucianne.com (mom of Jonah Goldberg, too) -- And seems quite conservative in outlook.

What horrible thing did she do?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2017 04:02 PM (0ogQG)

40 ~Oregon Muse
"Me, I think God is just forcing the Democrats to play by their own rules."

Yah, God has nothing to do with this. Credit Trump supporters during the primary/election who didn't take the bait after the Billy Bush tapes came out.

The libs looked to take a second shot at PDT but forgot one thing....never trust a woman to do the right thing if fame or notoriety as a victim is available. They don't care who the supposed perp is as long as the end result is "Look at me! I am courageous!"

My suggestion for these accused guys is to point and name all of the women who were ON BOARD with what was being offered. Sex for fame/power. Oh the cat fights that would ensue. "Your a liar!" "Well, your a whore!" etc.

Posted by: Ceasar at November 24, 2017 04:02 PM (x8dHd)

41 Hey OM. Saw two posts from you recently but too late after the fact (I was out both times) to comment.

I hope your recovery proceeds smoothly and I'm looking forward to more Gorilla Pundit ... and chess ;-).

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 24, 2017 04:02 PM (vWMNq)

42 So nice to see our Muse here. Keep getting better, OMuse, and let everyone fuss over you at home. You may get an extra piece of leftover pie if you play your cards right.

Posted by: bluebell at November 24, 2017 04:02 PM (UoSKV)

43 As a cyborg, I would have expected you be beyond our simple meat-suited concepts of right and wrong.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 24, 2017 04:04 PM (QQ+il)

44 I think the reason it happened now is that the Dems beat the drum for "women!" because they thought it would help Hillary, because appealing to women was the centerpiece of her campaign (partly because she didn't have anything else to run on), and they thought Trump was vulnerable on that score.

Their problem was that what started out as a bullshit campaign trope became self-aware, and lots of women who really HAD been mistreated took it seriously and went public with their squawks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:04 PM (YqDXo)

45 I watched the entire Clarence Thomas hearing and it was so obvious that it was indeed a high tech lynching. Anita Hills story was contradicted on so many points that they should have been embarrassed. Instead like all Lefties they do not get embarrassed. They double down.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:05 PM (/RKWU)

46 So, at what point do we go back to talking about it being a bad idea to have women in the military?
Posted by: Spot

Right after we declare it to be a bad idea to have any women anywhere near the Congress or the President. Because why start with the military? Start with their civil authority.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:06 PM (326rv)

47 I am once again reminded how thankful I am that Hillary Clinton will never be president.

That was my number one "thanks" this Thanksgiving.

With her spiteful vindictiveness, I shudder to think if she had won.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:07 PM (ul9CR)

48 I see the trash pile of a country similar to the USSRs collapse.
An inside vision of a cultural prison camp with sexuality perverted and subjugation the rule.
You can't get decent window peeping prison guards anymore.

Posted by: tragedy of the commons at November 24, 2017 04:07 PM (uigIz)

49 Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2017 03:55 PM (gIRsn)

Why exactly are they horrible?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:08 PM (/RKWU)

50 When they went after Trump during the campaign, Trump came back at them pointing at Bill. Apparently a lot of lefties either didn't know or didn't want to talk about Bill and the Clenis.

I think that got a lot of the ball rolling, and they started calling out the predators in their own Party. Now it's gotten out of control.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2017 04:08 PM (oVJmc)

51 I think of the Pervalanche as being like Wile E. Coyote starting a boulder rolling down a hill, then watching it come up the other side, hurtle over his head and then land on him.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:08 PM (YqDXo)

52 Why now?

My shoot from the hip theory:

After the humiliating defeat of Hillary!, the left wants to clear out the old vanguard. Get rid of all the deadweight deadwood and make room for others to rise up into the kingmaker / makee positions.

This sexual harassment apocalypse is simply a means to an end, not a great moral awakening.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:09 PM (QLvwG)

53 When they went after Trump during the campaign, Trump came back at them pointing at Bill. [i/i]

Yep. That was beautiful. Hillary started in on Trump re women, and Trump stuck the entire issue right up her ass by going after Bill. It was the last time she brought it up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:09 PM (YqDXo)

54 Is it wrong of me to have little sympathy for those women? They knew the legal crack the pervs were selling came at a cost.

20-30 years later, these are now bad men.

Posted by: golfman at November 24, 2017 04:09 PM (48QDY)

55 Why now?

1. #MeToo attention whoring
2. MSM using it to cover up the #PedoGate story that was gaining traction in the USA and globally.

Posted by: Monk at November 24, 2017 04:10 PM (g4lFK)

56 Yup.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 24, 2017 04:10 PM (J/Lk+)

57 What people don't realize--especially liberals--is that today's SJW are actually the direct descendants of the smug, self-righteous blue nose types they have spent their entire lives holding up to ridicule. Once that smug, self-righteousness manifested itself in church ladies and preachers waving their bony fingers in everyone's face telling them that God was going to send them to Hell for this or that....
Then when they discovered activism, they simply applied that moralizing to the new social justice concerns and went about it with a typical missionary's zeal.
Today , we have the worst of both--the constant moralizing , but this time, without God.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 24, 2017 04:10 PM (7uYFy)

58 Pussy revolt against those who unfairly oppose Trump, or at least an unwillingness to keep quiet in solidarity with that opposition.

Posted by: datacolonist at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (c36L0)

59 Would not want to play UCF in a bowl game.

Posted by: Monk at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (g4lFK)

60 Yep. That was beautiful. Hillary started in on Trump re women, and Trump stuck the entire issue right up her ass by going after Bill. It was the last time she brought it up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:09 PM (YqDXo

Yep, they were expecting Trump to fight like a Republican (meaning not fighting at all.) Instead, Trump fought back like a Democrat and it was indeed bee-yoo-tee-ful!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (ul9CR)

61 After the humiliating defeat of Hillary!, the left wants to clear out the old vanguard. Get rid of all the deadweight deadwood and make room for others to rise up into the kingmaker / makee positions.

This sexual harassment apocalypse is simply a means to an end, not a great moral awakening.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:09 PM (QLvwG)

I think that's a component of it, but why take out Weinstein? OK, he was a Hillarhoid, but he was also a major bundler for the Dems.

And why take out Orestes at PBS, or Franken? How does torching them have any bearing on Hillary?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (YqDXo)

62 women don't lie about sexual harassment, women are always to be believed,

Funny, I remember the same things being said about children back during the Satanic ritual abuse craze in the 1980s.

Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (xjiRE)

63 I apologize to those of you wanting evidence.

Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp just creep me out at a molecular level.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2017 04:12 PM (gIRsn)

64 To me it's just this simple:

Feminists, Democratic Women, Leftist Chicks hung their entire feminist agenda on on putrid vile horrendous thing--infanticide by tortuous dismemberment for the sake of convenience. This was a big fat honking signal to male sleaze bags that as long as they supported infanticide by tortuous dismemberment (Which suited them just fine, BTW, because who wants to pay support for some whore's kid, amirite??) , they could pretty much do whatever they wanted to those women--including rape, and any other vile debased behavior that suited their sick fancies.

Leftist woman bought and paid for their own mistreatment at the hands of scumbags with the blood and shattered tissue of their unborn children.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM (kXoT0)

65 If they win out they'll be in a New Year's 6 bowl for sure.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM (GsAUU)

66 It will be interesting to see McTurtle's actions in the case of a successful Moore election.

Especially so, given the ever-expanding wildfire of incredulity and doubt emanating from and about his erstwhile "accusers".

I'm picturing Moore walking into the Senate, backed by a phalanx of Alabama State Troopers, and taking that seat whether McTurtle likes it or not.

It'd make for a cool movie script, too.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM (QzJWU)

67 I've said it before and will say it again, when Trump invited those four women that BJ Clinton raped to the Townhall debate, I knew he not only wanted to win but that he would win.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM (3BFzK)

68 Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp just creep me out at a molecular level.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2017 04:12 PM (gIRsn)

So in a way, the Lewinsky scandal gave us Jonah Goldberg.....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM (7uYFy)

69 Arkansas/Mizzou tied at 28 with halftime approaching.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2017 04:14 PM (398bZ)

70 the Pervalanche

1. heh

2. Some change is revolutionary. Some if evolutionary. Ted Kennedy is in his grave and his family diminished. There is not only the ugliness of the Clintons but a need to rid the dems of them. OJ is seen more and more as a violent thug, not a civil rights leader.The repeated use of the war on women gambit is achieving results, and like Wile E. Coyote, they aren't always desired results.

And the list of women offended is growing. Just as the MFM is having mixed results silencing opposition, so too is the opposition to powerful people being exposed waning.

A formula was created and the playbook used repeatedly. That formula isn't magically the province of one group only.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:14 PM (326rv)

71 59 Would not want to play UCF in a bowl game.
Posted by: Monk at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (g4lFK)

--Ugh, #65 was for 59.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:14 PM (GsAUU)

72 I've said it before and will say it again, when Trump invited those four women that BJ Clinton raped to the Townhall debate, I knew he not only wanted to win but that he would win.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM

Judging by the reaction on CNN right before that debate, I think they knew he would win....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (7uYFy)

73
Advice to my conservative male associates: I'll repeat my too-often spoken mantra that 'Sexual Harassment' is just plain old harassment of a sexual nature. No man wants his wife, girlfriend or daughter subjected to harassment of a sexual nature by a guy who won't take 'not interested' as a clue.

Guys get one chance to seal the deal, whether it be coffee, the date, or permission to continue. If the answer is 'no' -- take it elsewhere. Ask a second time and you're looking at a harassment charge. As a former employer in charge of training guys who used to be pretty outrageous they 'got it' when I explained it this way.

The best defense against unfair claims is the 'Pence defense'. Always have witnesses around. When I taught, and a single child walked into the classroom, I immediately stepped into the hallway. Common sense -- in todays climate.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (ajiE5)

74 47 With her spiteful vindictiveness, I shudder to think if she had won.

IMO the spite comes from losing and thus pleases me.

I can't really imagine what she'd be like if she won. Certainly not magnanimous. C.S Lewis had the right idea:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised
for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be
better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral
busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity
may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own
good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience."

But it would be much worse.

A village ...

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (vWMNq)

75 Yep, they were expecting Trump to fight like a Republican (meaning not fighting at all.) Instead, Trump fought back like a Democrat and it was indeed bee-yoo-tee-ful!

I finally came around to supporting Trump in the primaries on the calculation that he may not be a perfect conservative, but he will not roll over when he's attacked like W did or any of the GOP nominees at the time surely would.

He has proven me correct. His combativeness is one of the things I love most about Trump.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (9SkN+)

76 59 Would not want to play UCF in a bowl game.
Posted by: Monk at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (g4lFK)

Me neither. I mean, I'm just one guy. I'd get killed.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (NWiLs)

77 Why now?

It's the end result of the Victimhood Era. Every lefty wants-no, NEEDS to be a victim. So we get to the point where, for example, Melissa Gilbert claims to have been sexually assaulted because she auditioned for a part as a groupie and was expected...to act the part of a groupie.

Or like the 'ron yesterday who told the story of a social media acquaintance who prefaces everything with "as the victim of sexual assault" when the "sexual assault" was someone once telling a dirty joke in her general vicinity.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:16 PM (ul9CR)

78 yeah Trump being elected moved things along, but mostly Hillary losing power. The pedophile island thing was pretty open and brash ... and human trafficking via open borders ... ISIS taking over cities and raping and selling slaves ... Europe being overrun with molesters

Not all of that is fixed, but it seemed to be coming to a crescendo. No happy ending for them ... real change maybe. Now the witnesses feel they won't get suicided if they come out.

Of course it was also a weapon against Trump and Moore (even if mostly fake), but that also may have encouraged women to come out and testify.

Or maybe Dems just feel they need a new start ... Clintons and Weiner and Weinstein types must be kicked to the curb.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 24, 2017 04:16 PM (/aIFg)

79 It was the crack in the facade that gave everyone the fleeting thought that the power of the oppressors might not be eternal after all.

This too. Think the Ceausescus on Christmas Eve. Suddenly the entire population realized 1) that they ALL hated Ceausescu, and 2) that the Ceausescus were therefore vulnerable.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:17 PM (YqDXo)

80 Nicely done Golden Knights

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:17 PM (GsAUU)

81 He has proven me correct. His combativeness is one of the things I love most about Trump.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (9SkN+)

Indeed. It drives the yacht club and Chardonnay crowd nuts too, which is a nice little bonus.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 24, 2017 04:17 PM (NWiLs)

82 These revelations are not a problem for anybody but the evil bastards who are committing these acts. This is what happens to 'people' who think they're above the law. They may kindly go to hell.

Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2017 04:17 PM (zLDYs)

83 Why now?

Because Hillary is nucking futz and she has the bully pulpit is why. They know that any reporter or TV show will always take her call and let her ramble on and on--in the hopes that this time she will be finally be drunk enough, over medicated enough, and crazee enough to open that closet with all the stinking Clinton messes in it--and they will be the ones with the story. So they are floundering about trying to get the Clintons and their buddies off the durn stage once and for all.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (kXoT0)

84 If the answer is 'no' -- take it elsewhere. Ask a second time and you're looking at a harassment charge. As a former employer in charge of training guys who used to be pretty outrageous they 'got it' when I explained it this way.

But where does jacking off onto ficus trees fit into this?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (9SkN+)

85 He has proven me correct. His combativeness is one of the things I love most about Trump.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (9SkN+)

Yepper. I hate when the left and NeverTrumpers (birm) go on about Trump being "thin-skinned."

What they call "thin-skinned" I call "fighting back."

If Trump was truly thin-skinned he wouldn't have hired Nikki Haley and put her on the world stage, just as one example.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (ul9CR)

86 women don't lie about sexual harassment, women are always to be believed

I first heard that from feminists in the 70's. Those who questioned their assertions were not engaged with evidence but were smeared as rape-deniers, rape-excusers, chauvinists, and so on.

Posted by: pst314 at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (IHMOG)

87 I've said it before and will say it again, when Trump invited those four women that BJ Clinton raped to the Townhall debate, I knew he not only wanted to win but that he would win.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM (3BFzK)

That was one of those watershed moments in politics. Funny you should mention that as I was thinking recently that was the actual moment when the tide turned. Democrats saw they could no longer get away with their former sexual transgressions.

The tide turned at that moment, but Trump winning was the tide that took the water over the banks.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (ajiE5)

88 Protein Stains Don't Lie is Tori Amos' Best Album.

Posted by: garrett at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (JSL/5)

89 Yep. That was beautiful. Hillary started in on Trump re women, and Trump stuck the entire issue right up her ass by going after Bill. It was the last time she brought it up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

he made them shit can a POS on her website about "believing women".

Imagine anyone from the clowncar doing that.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (326rv)

90 This too. Think the Ceausescus on Christmas Eve. Suddenly the entire population realized 1) that they ALL hated Ceausescu, and 2) that the Ceausescus were therefore vulnerable.

Paging Rocket Man....

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:19 PM (9SkN+)

91 I've said it before and will say it again, when
Trump invited those four women that BJ Clinton raped to the Townhall
debate, I knew he not only wanted to win but that he would win.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious

That was a thing of beauty, it's when I realized Trump was serious as hell about this election. I enjoyed all the debates with the RINO's but when he won the nomination I was on board 100% Couldn't be worse than the past 8 years.

Posted by: Infidel at November 24, 2017 04:19 PM (Ix4M6)

92 Jets came out hot, today

2 - 0 after 6 minutes or so.

Posted by: garrett at November 24, 2017 04:20 PM (JSL/5)

93 Yes Trump fights back but was rocket scientist thought it was a good idea that Clinton bring up sexual harassment as an attack strategy. Anybody would have responded by pointing at Bill Clinton. Hillary is definitely the most clueless candidate I have seen in my lifetime.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:20 PM (/RKWU)

94 And why take out Orestes at PBS, or Franken? How does torching them have any bearing on Hillary?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (YqDXo)

Not sure. Shooting from the hip tends to be indiscriminate. Franken, not being old, may just be a surprise collateral casualty. Conyers would fit the profile of making way for the new, the future. Perhaps Rose as well. I suscribe to the Weinstein was kneecapped to cut off Hillary! funding for a possible 2020 bid theory. That signaled open season - like Daffy and Bugs.

Perv Season!Groper Season!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:21 PM (QLvwG)

95 There is also the festering boil of B+rry's cockcuriousity. When did he take it out, and whom did he show it to?

Posted by: torabora at November 24, 2017 04:21 PM (qihva)

96 88 Protein Stains Don't Lie is Tori Amos' Best Album.
Posted by: garrett at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (JSL/5)

--The Bob's Burgers food truck episode had a fricking hilarious parody of Tori Amos:

https://youtu.be/wmy9CTn6xMs

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:21 PM (GsAUU)

97 I finally came around to supporting Trump in the primaries on the calculation that he may not be a perfect conservative, but he will not roll over when he's attacked like W did or any of the GOP nominees at the time surely would.

He has proven me correct. His combativeness is one of the things I love most about Trump.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (9SkN+)

I supported him early on, warts and all, for just that reason: I didn't think any of the other potential nominees stood a dog's chance against the Dem noise and propaganda machine. I mean, if you can frame Romney, probably the most decent human being ever to run for office, as a low-life cad, you can smear anybody. Trump was the only one who showed the cojones to punch back, hard. And for that reason, I thought he was the only one who stood a chance.

My family - which is highly attuned to politics - thought I was crazy, and that Trump would be blown out. I didn't think that that was true. I thought he may not win, but then again he may, and in case he wouldn't be blown out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:21 PM (YqDXo)

98 I've said it before and will say it again, when
Trump invited those four women that BJ Clinton raped to the Townhall
debate, I knew he not only wanted to win but that he would win.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious

That and, shortly thereafter when Felonia made her hateful "Deplorables" comments, the next night at his rally in Miami, Trump taking the stage to the "Do You Hear the People Sing" song from Ls Miz with that giant Les Deplorables banner, and the crowd went f'ing INSANE.

I said, y'know, I think he's actually going to win this thing.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (ul9CR)

99 Yes Trump fights back but was rocket scientist
thought it was a good idea that Clinton bring up sexual harassment as an
attack strategy. Anybody would have responded by pointing at Bill
Clinton. Hillary is definitely the most clueless candidate I have
seen in my lifetime.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:20 PM (/RKWU)

The tragedy of not playing chess.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (QLvwG)

100 But where does jacking off onto ficus trees fit into this?
..............

right after me

Posted by: Naked Job Interviewer at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (HgMAr)

101 He has proven me correct. His combativeness is one of the things I love most about Trump.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:15 PM (9SkN+)

This is why the Mueller Russia investigation doesn't scare me. Aside from the fact that there's no evidence.
And if they manufacture "something", Trump ain't rolling over. What they think is the end will only be the beginning.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (7uYFy)

102 74 47 'With her spiteful vindictiveness, I shudder to think if she had won.'

'IMO the spite comes from losing and thus pleases me.'

There was plenty of evidence of this aspect of her character from the very start of Bill Clinton's presidency. She was cruel to soldiers and others she despised for ideological reasons, but she was also viciously cruel to White House staff and to loyal Democrat administration workers.

Posted by: pst314 at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (IHMOG)

103 Yes Trump fights back but was rocket scientist thought it was a good idea that Clinton bring up sexual harassment as an attack strategy. Anybody would have responded by pointing at Bill Clinton. Hillary is definitely the most clueless candidate I have seen in my lifetime.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol

nay. Such things are beneath me.

Posted by: Jeb! at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (326rv)

104 This thread reminds me I need to get back to reading The Screwtape Letters.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (V+03K)

105 92 Jets came out hot, today

2 - 0 after 6 minutes or so.
Posted by: garrett at November 24, 2017 04:20 PM (JSL/5)

--I love it.

I got a good feeling about these Jets.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:23 PM (GsAUU)

106 Yepper. I hate when the left and NeverTrumpers (birm) go on about Trump being "thin-skinned."

What they call "thin-skinned" I call "fighting back."

If Trump was truly thin-skinned he wouldn't have hired Nikki Haley and put her on the world stage, just as one example.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (ul9CR)

And the "OMG, he needs to stop Tweeting and work on the issues!" thing is so ghey. A few minutes a day sending out Tweets is all-consuming? Give me a fucking break.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 24, 2017 04:23 PM (NWiLs)

107 I was at the gym and i saw some headlines on the news. Looks like Uma Thurman is gonna lay a big turd in harvey's punch bowl.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 24, 2017 04:23 PM (7+qdf)

108 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (ul9CR)

He is thin skinned. But he is also magnanimous in victory because he can be.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:24 PM (/RKWU)

109 Yes Trump fights back but was rocket scientist thought it was a good idea that Clinton bring up sexual harassment as an attack strategy. Anybody would have responded by pointing at Bill Clinton.

That would have been dirty pool, old boy. Especially after I awarded her the Liberty Medal and she and Bill had been such hospitable hosts to me mi amore Consuela. It would have made me look like a bit of a cad now, don't you think?

Please clap.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at November 24, 2017 04:24 PM (9SkN+)

110 From the linked Clinton timeline:

Dec. 31: On New Year's Eve, Lewinsky spoke to the president in his private dining room. She reminded him of her name because she had the impression he had forgotten it in the intervening six weeks. They then have their third sexual encounter.

Hilarious!

Posted by: I'm really into you, whatsyername at November 24, 2017 04:24 PM (+INtM)

111 It would have been better for them if they had been given more good old-fashioned Calvinism, but instead their education turned them into fools, ready to believe in a lot of utopian dreams.

========

Methodists are about as far as you can get from Calvinism, being founded by John Wesley, staunch supporter of Arminianism.

Fun fact:
Methodists in America have been jonesing to move leftwards for decades and follow in the Episcopal Church's footsteps. The problem is, that they have a democratic polity, and their evangelism in Africa was so successful that large numbers of African Methodists actually believe what the bible says, and resist American efforts to pervert the religion. But American liberals never give up, so who knows how it will end?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (/qEW2)

112 Hillary is definitely the most clueless candidate I have seen in my lifetime.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:20 PM (/RKWU)

She was expecting a coronation after slaughtering Jeb Bush for daring to run against her. Trump screwed that up and Hillary was literally the pooch getting screwed.

It is my understanding that no one was really advising her. She thought it was in the bag and just condescended to be loaded into that unmarked ambulance and wheeled from place to place to appear before her adoring fans. I knew the jig was up when she was being met by crowds of dozens and Trump was speaking to several crowds daily of more that 10,000 to 15,000 a day with folks standing in the cold and rain to listen to him on loudspeakers.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (kXoT0)

113 >>I got a good feeling about these Jets.

Well sure. It's November.

Posted by: garrett at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (JSL/5)

114 Yes Trump fights back but was rocket scientist thought it was a good idea that Clinton bring up sexual harassment as an attack strategy. Anybody would have responded by pointing at Bill Clinton. Hillary is definitely the most clueless candidate I have seen in my lifetime.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:20 PM (/RKWU)

I respectfully disagree; I don't think anyone else would have pointed at Bill Clinton, and the historical record bears that out. I bet Hillarhoid's handlers were stunned when Trump went there on Bill.

Hillary most certainly is the most clueless candidate I've ever seen. She focused her pitch on women, virtually to the exclusion of men, thereby throwing away half of the electorate.

Good thinking.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (YqDXo)

115 Was Obama a narcissist? Yes or No?

Posted by: KWDreaming at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (PafTy)

116 When your a Jet, your a high flying Jet

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2017 04:27 PM (aC6Sd)

117 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (YqDXo)

If another candidate was accused of sexual harassment of course they would. If Trump had not been accused he would have not said a word about Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:27 PM (/RKWU)

118 And if they manufacture "something", Trump ain't rolling over. What they think is the end will only be the beginning.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (7uYFy)

It ain't over until Trump says it's over.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:27 PM (YqDXo)

119 102 she was also viciously cruel to White House staff and to loyal Democrat administration workers.

She was just the wife of the boss back then. I think she'd be much different if she were really in charge. And she'd have power over everyone. Not just the white house staff.

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 24, 2017 04:28 PM (vWMNq)

120 Trump and Cruz becoming so simpatico after their bruising primary fight is another example of his not being thin-skinned. And I'm very happy about that because I like Trump and I like Cruz and now that they get along, I'm happy.

Cruz for SCOTUS!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:28 PM (ul9CR)

121 Guys get one chance to seal the deal,

You keep saying this but I'm pretty sure you don't even get one try with "Nice tits".

Posted by: DaveA at November 24, 2017 04:28 PM (FhXTo)

122 >>>>When they went after Trump during the campaign, Trump came back at them pointing at Bill. [i/i]

Yep. That was beautiful. Hillary started in on Trump re women, and
Trump stuck the entire issue right up her ass by going after Bill. It
was the last time she brought it up.
.
.
.Which explains why Trump won. They still don't understand that he refuses to play by their rules. Like it or not but Trump calls them as he sees them and he fights back dirty just like the dems do.

Everyone was ooohing and aahing that Trump lost the war with the this nfl protest thing, but look where we are at now, the nfl is dying and that took just a few short months and Trump was responsible for calling them out on it.

They still don't get it.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2017 04:29 PM (+Dllb)

123 I respectfully disagree; I don't think anyone else would have pointed at Bill Clinton, and the historical record bears that out. I bet Hillarhoid's handlers were stunned when Trump went there on Bill.

Hillary most certainly is the most clueless candidate I've ever seen. She focused her pitch on women, virtually to the exclusion of men, thereby throwing away half of the electorate.

Agreed.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2017 04:29 PM (a2vo1)

124 Cruz for SCOTUS!
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 24, 2017 04:28 PM (ul9CR)

Yes, if RBG finally succumbs during Trump's Presidency, it would be one of the most satisfying things in my lifetime to see her replaced by Cruz.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017 04:30 PM (kXoT0)

125 Me, I think God is just forcing the Democrats to play by their own rules. They've sewn the wind, now they're reaping the whirlwind.

++++

I know it's a typo, but I love the image of Democrats attempting to sew together the fabric of the wind.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 24, 2017 04:30 PM (FUu/Z)

126 Yep. That was beautiful. Hillary started in on Trump re women, and
Trump stuck the entire issue right up her ass by going after Bill. It
was the last time she brought it up.
.
.
.Which explains why Trump won. They still don't understand that he refuses to play by their rules. Like it or not but Trump calls them as he sees them and he fights back dirty just like the dems do.

Everyone was ooohing and aahing that Trump lost the war with the this nfl protest thing, but look where we are at now, the nfl is dying and that took just a few short months and Trump was responsible for calling them out on it.

They still don't get it.

And he was right about statues. Notice that bullshit died down?

And about 'antifa'?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (326rv)

127 Why now? very very simple...

The Clinton's no longer run the Left.

As long as Bill and Hilary were politically powerful, they could NOT go after Sexual Her Assers at all... thus they enabled DEMOCRAT Her Assers to prosper...

Now however... the gloves are off because they no longer have to protect Bill and Hill...

Posted by: Don Q.... at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (NgKpN)

128 From the linked Clinton timeline:

Dec. 31: On New Year's Eve, Lewinsky spoke to the president in his private dining room. She reminded him of her name because she had the impression he had forgotten it in the intervening six weeks. They then have their third sexual encounter.

Hilarious!

Posted by: I'm really into you, whatsyername at November 24, 2017 04:24 PM (+INtM)
.............

Yeah, well all those chubby plain chicks all kinda look the same.

Posted by: Bubba Clintoon at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (HgMAr)

129 113 >>I got a good feeling about these Jets.

Well sure. It's November.
Posted by: garrett at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (JSL/5)

--Heh. Now with a year under his belt Laine should be aces for the long haul.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (GsAUU)

130 114 I don't think anyone else would have pointed at Bill Clinton, and the historical record bears that out.

I was surprised ... and delighted.

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (vWMNq)

131 87 I've said it before and will say it again, when Trump invited those four women that BJ Clinton raped to the Townhall debate, I knew he not only wanted to win but that he would win.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 24, 2017 04:13 PM (3BFzK)

That was one of those watershed moments in politics. Funny you should mention that as I was thinking recently that was the actual moment when the tide turned. Democrats saw they could no longer get away with their former sexual transgressions.

The tide turned at that moment, but Trump winning was the tide that took the water over the banks.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:18 PM (ajiE5)

How much would you loved to have seen the reaction of the Dems when they realized who those four women were?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (YqDXo)

132 Why would the WaPo publish all those lies Ken Starr made up about Clinton/Lewinsky?

Posted by: torabora at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (qihva)

133 "Then Currie walked into the nearby pantry, where she waited for about 15 minutes while Lewinsky and the president had a sexual encounter -- their first in 11 months...Lewinsky later discovered that the blue dress she had worn that day was stained with his semen."

Currie was nothing more than a scumbag facilitator for BJ's exploits.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (kXoT0)

134 I would not want to play poker against Donny Two Scoops for real money. Even just nickel poker. He is a pretty accurate and quick judge of opponents, reads them very well.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:32 PM (QLvwG)

135 Guys get one chance to seal the deal,

You keep saying this but I'm pretty sure you don't even get one try with "Nice tits".

Posted by: DaveA at November 24, 2017 04:28 PM (FhXTo)

Sure you do. Odds are, you get marched down to HR and they read you the riot act. Tell you you spent your one bullet. The next one results in termination.

Unless, unless, unless... of course... the woman says, "I thought you'd never notice. Why don't we get a cup of coffee?" I suspect HR will not be notified in that case.

The dictionary definition of 'harass' mentions repeatedly. Once is not repeatedly.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:33 PM (ajiE5)

136 Currie was nothing more than a scumbag facilitator for BJ's exploits.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017

She was just another (White) House slave

Posted by: JoeF. at November 24, 2017 04:33 PM (7uYFy)

137 Why are the revelations happening now?

I think it's because Trump won and they're cracking up a bit, due to shock. The accused would all still be great heroes if Hillary had won, everything would still be peachy in Satan's Village.

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2017 04:34 PM (H0quv)

138 Which explains why Trump won. They still don't understand that he refuses to play by their rules. Like it or not but Trump calls them as he sees them and he fights back dirty just like the dems do.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (326rv)

As we say in baseball when a pitcher comes in high and tight: "We've got that pitch too."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:34 PM (YqDXo)

139 Nice post OM and great to be reading posts from you.

I have no idea what is driving things But is sure has been popcorn season and I'm loving that.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at November 24, 2017 04:34 PM (84F5k)

140 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:06 PM (326rv)

Have you served with women in the military? I did 25 years ago, serving in one of the first ships with women onboard. Most of them were an embarrassment. Come out of A school as a 3rd class petty officer, then state, "I didn't know the fire room would be 115 degrees. I'm gonna get pregnant." And 3 months later they were gone. I had one working for me giving BJs in ship's laundry. Ugh

Posted by: F.N.G. at November 24, 2017 04:34 PM (kiSdp)

141 Currie was nothing more than a scumbag facilitator for BJ's exploits.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017 04:31 PM (kXoT0)
************

Facilitator = Pimp (Currie was getting paid)

Posted by: torabora at November 24, 2017 04:35 PM (qihva)

142 It is important to remember that she came from a prosperous Republican family. Her father was a successful businessman and in 1964, young Hillary Rodham was a "Goldwater Girl." Unfortunately, she was also a Methodist, and came under the influence of a church youth leader with a "social justice" outlook. She was swept along in the general leftward drift of the Methodist Church

========

She might have been "swept along" at first, like many of us had been when in high school or college. But if she were really smart or possessed any moral integrity she should have snapped out of it at some point, especially seeing as how her whole professional life was concerned with legal and political matters. I can understand a casual libtard, whose profession doesn't involve politics, not giving the matter much thought although he's smart. Hillary doesn't have that excuse. I think she's always been an opportunistic sleaze.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 24, 2017 04:35 PM (/qEW2)

143 16,
"Look at this pull quote from a 1991 Chicago Tribune"

Yet without the Trib there would never have been Obama and we might have had President Hillary in 2009. God works in mysterious ways.

Posted by: geoffb at November 24, 2017 04:35 PM (zOpu5)

144 And if she hadn't kept that blue dress (which was later used as the basis for a DNA test), the Clintons would be lying about Bill's many and various schtuppings TO THIS DAY.

The thing is that everyone knew he had always lied about that stuff. That was never in doubt. People just didn't care about what he did of that he told bald-faced lies about it.

What happened to America is that we grew to have a great tolerance for liars - and not just regular liars, but the worst most ridiculous sorts of liars. Barky was the ultimate in this; he told the most retarded and outlandish lies and was still treated well by the whole left and most of the ostensible right.

It used to be that exposed liars were tagged as such and dismissed from polite society. People would not only be offended by the lies but would be triply offended if the lies were just too ridiculous to even be able to lie about believing. That all disappeared. And that is what happened to this society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 24, 2017 04:35 PM (8gDQu)

145 134 I would not want to play poker against Donny Two Scoops for real money. Even just nickel poker. He is a pretty accurate and quick judge of opponents, reads them very well.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:32 PM (QLvwG)

Me either. His ability to read people is manifest in his uncanny knack for coming up with the wounding gibe that perfectly encapsulates the person. "Crooked Hillary" or "Little Rocket Man." Ouch.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:35 PM (YqDXo)

146 I had one working for me giving BJs in ship's laundry.

Hmm. What was your cut?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2017 04:36 PM (9SkN+)

147 The leftward drift- or rather lurch -of the Methodist Church is certainly true today; I don't think it was that true when Hillary was growing up; I think her views have to do more with the looser morals of the 60's as well as going to a womans college when she did

I appreciate Bookworm's thoughts and I am very glad to see you back writing a full piece, Oregon Muse

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2017 04:36 PM (8+Ozj)

148 well, I think the worst thing about Trump is that not only he has such a huge ego that he just had to be president, but he has such a huge ego that he wants to be a great president.
Shame on him.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 24, 2017 04:36 PM (ILitO)

149 This is an old video, but relevant:

https://youtu.be/EoLHn577xIE

"Body Language: Creepy Joe Biden"

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:36 PM (GsAUU)

150 I had one working for me giving BJs in ship's laundry.

That's a Navy job classification? Well, ok, I can see the need.

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2017 04:36 PM (H0quv)

151 Unless, unless, unless... of course... the woman says, "I thought you'd never notice. Why don't we get a cup of coffee?" I suspect HR will not be notified in that case.

The dictionary definition of 'harass' mentions repeatedly. Once is not repeatedly.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:33 PM (ajiE5)

SNL had a skit about this in the '90's. Maybe '80's. Good looking office dude engages in all sorts of sexual harassment and the women all cooed. Clumsy dork does nothing but awkwardly ask for a date and gets reamed.
A bit over the top, but with more than a grain of truth.
I've seen it in real life.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 24, 2017 04:37 PM (7uYFy)

152 Hmm. What was your cut?

Ten loosies out of every pack seems fair.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 24, 2017 04:37 PM (QQ+il)

153 Sure you do. Odds are, you get marched down to HR
and they read you the riot act. Tell you you spent your one bullet. The
next one results in termination.

Unless, unless, unless... of course... the woman says, "I thought
you'd never notice. Why don't we get a cup of coffee?" I suspect HR will
not be notified in that case.

The dictionary definition of 'harass' mentions repeatedly. Once is not repeatedly.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:33 PM (ajiE5)

It greatly depends on how you present and deliver the 'Nice Tits!' comment. Look like Thomas Magnum and you get your coffee paid for as well. Look like Milton from Office Space and Corporate Security is escorting you out of the building, your red stapler will be shipped to your house.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:37 PM (QLvwG)

154 Barky was the ultimate in this; he told the most retarded and outlandish lies and was still treated well by the whole left and most of the ostensible right.

My favorite - because it was such a bald-faced out and out obvious lie, and Barky knew it - was his claim that his parents got together for the first time on the bridge at Selma. When he was four years old.

It's a miracle, I tells ya!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:37 PM (YqDXo)

155 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:06 PM (326rv)

Have you served with women in the military? I did 25 years ago, serving in one of the first ships with women onboard. Most of them were an embarrassment. Come out of A school as a 3rd class petty officer, then state, "I didn't know the fire room would be 115 degrees. I'm gonna get pregnant." And 3 months later they were gone. I had one working for me giving BJs in ship's laundry. Ugh
Posted by: F.N.G.

yes, I have.

If we "start with the military", there will be nothing done after that. Think upon the sailor sitting in prison for taking a picture of his workspace.

Let the civilian non-hackers fight it out first. The military has enough problems with the USAF accepting awards for an outlandish response to a faked crime.

These vermin would like nothing better than to focus on the peasants in the military.The pressure is on them of once.

Keep it there.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2017 04:39 PM (326rv)

156 So the bottom line is a nice "naive" Jewish girl was smart enough to keep her cum stained dress because?

She was in it for the blackmail, aka promotion. There is no other way to read it.

What a sordid slimy group of people. I need a shower thinking about it

Posted by: George at November 24, 2017 04:39 PM (JcLgJ)

157
I'd also add that Bill Clinton may not have ever actually sexually harassed Monica Lewinsky because she was a willing participant.

I didn't read the entire Starr Report, so I can't say with 100% certainty, but in one footnote it's mentioned she tossed his salad. So I'm gonna stick with 'willing participant'.

If she had ever said 'No' -- even once, that changes the equation.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:40 PM (ajiE5)

158 What happened to America is that we grew to have a great tolerance for liars - and not just regular liars, but the worst most ridiculous sorts of liars. Barky was the ultimate in this; he told the most retarded and outlandish lies
............

You mean I'm not going to get a 3000% reduction in health insurance premiums?

Posted by: Obama Voter at November 24, 2017 04:40 PM (HgMAr)

159 So many great memories of taking Michelle on dates to games at Kaminskey Park.

Posted by: Baraka at November 24, 2017 04:40 PM (GsAUU)

160 Yet without the Trib there would never have been Obama and we might have had President Hillary in 2009. God works in mysterious ways.
Posted by: geoffb at November 24, 2017 04:35 PM (zOpu5)
**************
When that dog went for a ride on the Romney family station wagon roof he lost the election to a dog eater years later.

Yep, He works in mysterious ways.

Posted by: torabora at November 24, 2017 04:40 PM (qihva)

161 And 3 months later they were gone. I had one working for me giving BJs in ship's laundry. Ugh
Posted by: F.N.G

Do you have her number?
Um, asking for a friend.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2017 04:41 PM (a2vo1)

162 Lewinsky was not naive. She had already done the 'seduce your professor at college' routine, hence the 'bring my kneepads' comment when she got the White House internship position.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:41 PM (QLvwG)

163 Pretty sure the one equivalency you depend on is the good and bad in women and men

Posted by: sofa saver at November 24, 2017 04:42 PM (4u7kU)

164 159 So many great memories of taking Michelle on dates to games at Kaminskey Park.
Posted by: Baraka at November 24, 2017 04:40 PM (GsAUU)

And cheering on the Packers at Lambert Field.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:42 PM (YqDXo)

165 >>>>Have you served with women in the military? I did 25 years ago, serving
in one of the first ships with women onboard. Most of them were an
embarrassment. Come out of A school as a 3rd class petty officer, then
state, "I didn't know the fire room would be 115 degrees. I'm gonna
get pregnant." And 3 months later they were gone. I had one working
for me giving BJs in ship's laundry. Ugh
.
.
.My wife started as an ASH in the corrosion control shop on the flight line at Roosey Roads on the night shift for three years. She applied for Legalman when that rate came into being and got picked. Wound up doing 20 years and made E8 and was on the short list for the first female Master Chief Legalman when we packed it in.

Been there and did that with women in the Navy and saw the good and the bad, just like I did with men. And yes we did have some that joined the Navy just to get pregnant, married and discharged. But one thing I did notice, I can only remember kicking one woman out of the Navy for drugs or misconduct in my 21 years.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2017 04:42 PM (+Dllb)

166

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2017 04:42 PM (2K6fY)

167 159 So many great memories of taking Michelle on dates to games at Kaminskey Park.
Posted by: Baraka at November 24, 2017 04:40 PM (GsAUU)
***************
What stall did he use?

Posted by: Sen. Craig at November 24, 2017 04:43 PM (qihva)

168 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 24, 2017 04:25 PM (/qEW2)

There is also a bigger split among American Methodists, than say among Presbyterians and some of the largest Methodist Churches are conservative, even in a place like PA-Where Washington Crossing UMC (IT think its goes by the name "The Crossing") is one the edge of leaving the denomination

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2017 04:43 PM (8+Ozj)

169 You know I told you I love you, but shit girl, you white. I can't get no where with a white bitch.

Get the fuck outa here

Posted by: Blackfoot Barry, dog eater at November 24, 2017 04:44 PM (TXZAP)

170 What's really telling about Zero's "Kaminsky Park" thing was that not only was he a big fat liar, but the shit about the White Sox was something utterly trivial that he didn't have to lie about for any reason, politically or personally. Yet he loved whoppers so compulsively he had to go an ingratiate himself to baseball fans.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:44 PM (GsAUU)

171 It's so much fun to watch Hillary, stumble around, listening to comments about her husband Jiz, and all of his misdeeds. The accusers are the very people who laughed at the criticisms of Jiz in the '90's.

Today's criticisms of Jiz are so transparent it's almost unwatchable. Now Hillary knows that all the plastic condemnations of Jiz are all about about getting her tired ass out of the way.

I hope she stays around for another decade.

Posted by: redenzo at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (5wSNN)

172 You know I told you I love you, but shit girl, you white. I can't get no where with a white bitch.

Get the fuck outa here
Posted by: Blackfoot Barry, dog eater

I thought that you cared!?!

Posted by: composite girlfriend at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (326rv)

173 Why is it happening now-partial;y so it canall be out ofthe way for the Midterms next year when the media will do their continuing work of covering up for and excusing the Democrats

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (8+Ozj)

174 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2017 04:42 PM (+Dllb)
****************
Yep, I concur.

Posted by: torabora at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (qihva)

175 162 Lewinsky was not naive. She had already done the 'seduce your professor at college' routine, hence the 'bring my kneepads' comment when she got the White House internship position.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:41 PM (QLvwG)

you're correct, the naive one was Bill, thinking that a woman can open and shut her mouth, simultaneously

Posted by: sofa saver at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (4u7kU)

176 162
Lewinsky was not naive. She had already done the 'seduce your professor at college' routine, ...

That's a new one to me. Not surprised though. What is the source for it?

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (vWMNq)

177 Why now?

My two cent analysis is this. They went atomic on Trump, with the set up by Andy Vanderbilt in the debates doing the Joe Pesci from My Brother Vinny.

"Arrrrrre you surrrrrrre you want to stick with that answer Mr Trump? Are you 100% Suuuuuurrrrrree?" when he asked him if he ever acted inappropriately with women.

At that moment I knew what was coming the next day. The heavy artillery was wheeling around to broadside; and a full salvo of Gloria Alred was released on him.

Andy Vanderbilt knew it too. He was part of it; part of the complete and utter destruction of Donald Trump. Andy the King Maker sets him up and Gloria Alred releases the hounds. Just watch the epic collapse.

But when the smoke cleared from the absolutely withering initial blast, Trump stood there with his tiny fist all balled up, with a smile, looking for a dick to punch. He punched and punched and punched. That's when I was a complete convert. I thought, "Holy shit he's gonna play by the dems rules!!"

And then he won, and has continued to survive by playing by their rules, even against the RINO's Why not the Rinos role is to fold anyway.

I am almost done here. .......bear with me.

So now that the old dem playbook has been stolen by Trump and being used against them. All these lefty women are like wait what????!!! "If I let these big giant lefty perverts molest me and they can't deliver the goodies anymore, aren't they actually the beta boys? Are we the actual chumps in this deal???? I don't give it up for betas. I AM NOT A CHUMP!"

"Stupid piece o sh1t fukcers! Screw you! You all lied!"

BOOOOOOOOOM and the Pervocolypse begins and the preference cascade accelerates.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (7+qdf)

178 147 The leftward drift- or rather lurch -of the Methodist Church is certainly true today; I don't think it was that true when Hillary was growing up; I think her views have to do more with the looser morals of the 60's as well as going to a womans college when she did

I appreciate Bookworm's thoughts and I am very glad to see you back writing a full piece, Oregon Muse
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

The left ward lurch was very obvious in the 70s. My parents left the UMC at that time and started going to a church that actually taught the Bible. It was an Evangelical church, non denominational.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (dP913)

179 162
Lewinsky was not naive. She had already done the 'seduce your professor
at college' routine, hence the 'bring my kneepads' comment when she got
the White House internship position.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:41 PM (QLvwG)

You will note Naive was in quotes, you are absolutely correct. She is selling gosh first time I sucked a dick.

Posted by: George at November 24, 2017 04:46 PM (TXZAP)

180
25 And if I had been driving a VW Beetle, I would have been President.
Posted by: zombie Sen Teddy Kennedy at November 24, 2017 03:50 PM (326rv)

And if I hadn't turned right at Franz Josef Street, there wouldn't have been a Hitler.
Posted by: Archduke Franz Ferdinand at November 24, 2017 03:54 PM (9SkN+)

Imma gonna point out that Porsche was a chauffeur for Archduke Ferdinand, although I don't know if he was driving that day.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 24, 2017 04:46 PM (/S6j/)

181 169 You know I told you I love you, but shit girl, you white. I can't get no where with a white bitch.

Get the fuck outa here
Posted by: Blackfoot Barry, dog eater at November 24, 2017 04:44 PM (TXZAP)

I think it went more like this:

Barry's handler/groomer: "The Party is dismayed to note you've been socializing with white women. That's a deal-killer, as nothing infuriates black women quite like black men preferring white women.

"Consequently you will cease associating with white women. The Party has chosen a black woman for you, a co-worker of Comrade Dohrn, who will introduce you to her before you marry her."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:47 PM (YqDXo)

182 Im also shocked that the fans for both UCF and USF have fans that are head and shoulders less trashy than Miami, Florida, and Fkorida State fans.

Who knew the 1-4 corridor was full of such class?

Posted by: Monk at November 24, 2017 04:47 PM (g4lFK)

183 I remember one of my first sexual harassment briefings in the late 80s. One of the officially verboten behaviors was "unwanted looks." I asked Cmdr Browning for clarification and he said, "You know, looks." I replied, "no sir, I don't know, can you demonstrate the forbidden sexually harassing method of looking?" To which he explained, "Shut up, Farmer."

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2017 04:47 PM (UJJCx)

184 Jets are 10-1-2 when scoring first.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (GsAUU)

185
All of us here were way too young to remember the "Sexual Revolution" of the '60's.

But we're lucky to be alive now during the Sexual Harassment Revolution!

Posted by: Ringo at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (YCQeq)

186 157
I'd also add that Bill Clinton may not have ever actually sexually harassed Monica Lewinsky because she was a willing participant.

I didn't read the entire Starr Report, so I can't say with 100% certainty, but in one footnote it's mentioned she tossed his salad. So I'm gonna stick with 'willing participant'.

If she had ever said 'No' -- even once, that changes the equation.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:40 PM (ajiE5)

++++

That wasn't the point. Paula Jones was attempting to prove sexual harassment in her lawsuit. So, she wanted to show that Clinton had a pattern and practice of hitting on his employees.

That Lewinski said yes was irrelevant to what Jones needed to establish: that Jones wasn't just making up Clinton's behavior. Which is why Clinton lied in his deposition in claiming he never hit on the help.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (pvjTE)

187 Since Bill Clinton is a Narcissist it really didn't make a whole lot of difference what Monica Lewinsky looks like. You're not looking at someone's face or body when they're giving you a blowjob under the desk. She was starstruck and pilled on the acclaim which narcissists love so his not remembering her name would not surprise me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (8+Ozj)

188 99
Yes Trump fights back but was rocket scientist

thought it was a good idea that Clinton bring up sexual harassment as an

attack strategy. Anybody would have responded by pointing at Bill

Clinton. Hillary is definitely the most clueless candidate I have

seen in my lifetime.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 24, 2017 04:20 PM (/RKWU)

The tragedy of not playing chess.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:22 PM (QLvwG)

Nope
No other Republican would have done it. They couldn't conceive that any republican would. The playbook had never failed.
Any other republican would have lost gracefully to President Herstoric First.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (7+qdf)

189 25 And if I had been driving a VW Beetle, I would have been President.
Posted by: zombie Sen Teddy Kennedy at November 24, 2017 03:50 PM (326rv)

And if I hadn't turned right at Franz Josef Street, there wouldn't have been a Hitler.
Posted by: Archduke Franz Ferdinand at November 24, 2017 03:54 PM (9SkN+)

And if Alexander II hadn't taken a carriage ride and been blown to bits, there probably wouldn't have been a Russian Revolution.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (YqDXo)

190 re 170: like when Hillary was running for Senate in NY in 2000 and people knew she was a Chi Cubs fan, so she claimed the the NY Yankees were always her American League team.
A politician's lies are always acceptable so long as more than half the voters believe it and the politician is a Dem.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 24, 2017 04:49 PM (ILitO)

191 What's really telling about Zero's "Kaminsky Park" thing was that not only was he a big fat liar, but the shit about the White Sox was something utterly trivial that he didn't have to lie about for any reason, politically or personally. Yet he loved whoppers so compulsively he had to go an ingratiate himself to baseball fans.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:44 PM

Barry was always a bit of a fabulist.

Posted by: otho at November 24, 2017 04:49 PM (qGuLD)

192 Any other republican would have lost gracefully to President Herstoric First.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (7+qdf)

From Herstoric First to Herstoric Worst. (Wurst?)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:49 PM (YqDXo)

193 Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2017 04:45 PM (dP913)

Depends on the church and where it was located, but of course the 70's wasn't a high point for any organized mainline church. it followed the "God is dead" movement which affected a while lot of churches

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2017 04:50 PM (8+Ozj)

194 182 Im also shocked that the fans for both UCF and USF have fans that are head and shoulders less trashy than Miami, Florida, and Fkorida State fans.

Who knew the 1-4 corridor was full of such class?

Heh!! Tampa/St. Pete is the Monte Carlo of the Gulf!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2017 04:50 PM (dP913)

195 JTB @ 104- Screwtape Letters--
C.S. Lewis, any topic, just the best.

Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2017 04:50 PM (zLDYs)

196 What's really telling about Zero's "Kaminsky Park" thing was that not only was he a big fat liar, but the shit about the White Sox was something utterly trivial that he didn't have to lie about for any reason, politically or personally. Yet he loved whoppers so compulsively he had to go an ingratiate himself to baseball fans.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:44 PM

Just be glad he didn't try to convince us that he'd once been a pitcher.

OTOH, now that I think of it, think of the jokes we could've made ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:50 PM (YqDXo)

197 Nood

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at November 24, 2017 04:51 PM (tMFgx)

198 182 Im also shocked that the fans for both UCF and USF have fans that are head and shoulders less trashy than Miami, Florida, and Fkorida State fans.

Who knew the 1-4 corridor was full of such class?
Posted by: Monk at November 24, 2017 04:47 PM (g4lFK)

--Hey, hey, HEY!!!

(Well, I am kinda trashy.

)

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:51 PM (GsAUU)

199 I think that's a component of it, but why take out
Weinstein? OK, he was a Hillarhoid, but he was also a major bundler for
the Dems.

And why take out Orestes at PBS, or Franken? How does torching them have any bearing on Hillary?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:11 PM (YqDXo)

I think Weinstein put the arm on Hollywood types to contribute the same way he got actresses to cooperate. The Or Else was implied or spelled out.

When Hillz went down a lot of people complained about it, and I am pretty sure Weinstein told them he had told them to shut up or else, so or else it was.

It wasn't so much revenge as it was self defense from what that vicious son of a bitch had shown he was capable of doing.

The others are small fry, but rape and harassment is just as big to the victim, and the lesson from Weinstein was that anyone could fall.

There is also that nasty understanding by liberals that when the game is going you can be a victim or you can be on top, and the way to be on top is to be the one denouncing the others for the thought crime de-jour before they can do you in turn.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2017 04:51 PM (2K6fY)

200 I'm glad I don't live on Earth 2.0 where apparently Hillary believes she is President and makes daily decisions for Earth 2.0 from our planet.

Posted by: Monk at November 24, 2017 04:51 PM (g4lFK)

201 JTB-Just picked up an English 1st Edition of Screwtape Letters WITh dust jacket for N**** the Valiant's 24th birthday (and promotion to 1LT). As a literary type himself, I think he'll like it. Plus it's his favorite C.S. Lewis book.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at November 24, 2017 04:52 PM (w7U7L)

202 >>>>I remember one of my first sexual harassment briefings in the late 80s.
One of the officially verboten behaviors was "unwanted looks." I asked
Cmdr Browning for clarification and he said, "You know, looks." I
replied, "no sir, I don't know, can you demonstrate the forbidden
sexually harassing method of looking?" To which he explained, "Shut up,
Farmer."
.
.
.I got many a time out during those GMT's for asking questions.

My most famous EEO charge was that I was racist because I didn't give every civilian woman of color and end of year bonus. That actually happened twice.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2017 04:52 PM (+Dllb)

203 Nood, seconded.

All in favor?

Posted by: Blake at November 24, 2017 04:52 PM (WEBkv)

204
Back then the fake "feminists" were burning bras and "empowered" by their "open" and "uninhibited" sexuality.

Today, the fake "feminists" are Victorian Vestal Virgins who cannot even be looked upon or they lose their purity.

Posted by: Ringo at November 24, 2017 04:52 PM (YCQeq)

205 184 Jets are 10-1-2 when scoring first.
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (GsAUU)

And they're 13-0 when they have scored more than the other team when the game ends.

- Softball Girl-type insight

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 24, 2017 04:52 PM (YqDXo)

206 I'll play the grammar martinet here and point out that it's not "...more shakier.." It's either 'more shaky' or 'shakier.'

Also it's not "sewn the wind." It's 'sown' the wind.

Sew is with a needle and thread. Sow is what you do with seeds and dirt.

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at November 24, 2017 04:52 PM (LQLeS)

207 Yah, God has nothing to do with this.

Are you always clear what God does and doesn't have to do with things? If so, I congratulate you, unless you are an Atheist and of course they don't think God doesn't have to do with anything so that makes sense

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2017 04:53 PM (8+Ozj)

208 That wasn't the point. Paula Jones was attempting to prove sexual harassment in her lawsuit. So, she wanted to show that Clinton had a pattern and practice of hitting on his employees.

That Lewinski said yes was irrelevant to what Jones needed to establish: that Jones wasn't just making up Clinton's behavior. Which is why Clinton lied in his deposition in claiming he never hit on the help.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (pvjTE)

That wasn't the point I was making. But yes, I agree the fact that Bill Clinton had a pattern of hitting on women around him was a key point. But I never saw any evidence that what he did with Monica was actual harassment of a sexual nature. Because she said 'Yes' to his overtures.

If I recall correctly, Paula Jones received a large pile of money ($800,000 ?) with no admission of guilt from Clinton.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 24, 2017 04:55 PM (ajiE5)

209 So I went to college in the 60's. My freshman year, at an all men's state college, women were to met with chaperones at the nearest all girls school.

In two years the pill became available for all the girls, and after that it was "fucking" heaven, so to speak.

For some reason it became a must for girls to fuck. We were happy to help them meet their goals.

Posted by: George at November 24, 2017 04:56 PM (TXZAP)

210 Since Bill Clinton is a Narcissist it really didn't make a whole lot of difference what Monica Lewinsky looks like. You're not looking at someone's face or body when they're giving you a blowjob under the desk. She was starstruck and pilled on the acclaim which narcissists love so his not remembering her name would not surprise me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2017 04:48 PM (8+Ozj)
...........

I wonder who's name he yelled out in ecstasy, because it sure wasn't "Hillary!"

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2017 04:57 PM (HgMAr)

211 The one true takeaway about Lewinsky, Tripp, and Goldberg is this:

Without the blue dress and the advice to keep it safe, Monica is just another dead intern in DC. Remember that there was another one and she was making noise about going off the reservation. Boom, she's dead. Her name was Mary Caitrin Mahoney and she died in a robbery where no money was taken.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with a gleeful heart... at November 24, 2017 04:59 PM (kXoT0)

212 29 Why are the revelations happening now?

The Old Fart Wing of the Progressive movement is not getting out of the way fast enough. (Hillary and Nancy Pelosi, as examples) The next generation is looking to generating promotional opportunities.

Posted by: JB1000, EAJ at November 24, 2017 05:01 PM (uzLdz)

213 Liberals don't turn on themselves without a reason. What we are witnessing is nothing more than the shaping of the 2020 battlefield. The narrative of widespread oppression of women is being set. Thus, when the Dems nominate a woman in 2020, the media can present her as a figure that represents all women in their struggle against sexual abusers, aka Donald J. Trump.

Posted by: Semper Gumby at November 24, 2017 05:01 PM (TZWv+)

214 "So the question is, why now, in 2017, is the house of cards that the
left has been building and expanding for over two decades suddenly
starting to collapse on them?"

It's been said before and I'll say it again: The left is currently sacrificing.

They think they can get Trump with it. If not before 2020, certainly during 2020.

Nothing more.
Nothing less.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at November 24, 2017 05:02 PM (jWe5r)

215 I read everything about the Clinton scandal while it was happening.

The part I found actually scary: Lewinsky said that Bill Clinton would have her pleasure him orally but he would not allow himself to ejaculate. She had some kind of messed-up "love" for him (not sure what word to use there, but in her mind there was a chance he was going to leave Hillary and they could openly be together) and she said that she really wanted him to start finishing. The first time he did was the day she got his semen on the blue dress.

Why did I find this scary? I realized that Bill Clinton had worked out a Standard Operating Procedure for how to sexually use women without them getting any physical evidence. If he never got his DNA on any blue dress, it's their word against his word.

How screwed up does a man have to be to have worked out an SOP for sexually using women and being able to deny it?

Must have been nice for him when all the prominent feminists (including senior people at the National Organization for Women) helped defend him. (Use women sexually and NOW has your back... if your name is Clinton.)

Posted by: mr_jack at November 24, 2017 05:06 PM (M59SC)

216 It's much simpler than that piece. When you substantiate your political party by requiring VICTIMS you need something to be a victim of...

I think a vast majority of all of this is blown out of proportion because that's what being taught.

1. Safe spaces to avoid differing opinon
2. Racism hoaxes (I lost count of all of them)
3. Black Lives Matter basing their whole being on something that statistics don't substantiate.
4. Actual fascists losing their minds accusing everyone disagreeing with them of being fascists so as to feel the victim.

Posted by: Orson at November 24, 2017 05:19 PM (dsX8e)

217
Why now?

Mostly because Frau Gruppencankles did the election faceplant.

I think that these victims have wanted to take down these assholes for a LONG time now. But since a lot of the predators were Clinton-connected, there was a reluctance, partly because of the power involved but also because it would seriously impact Hillary's career path by reminding the public about Bill's crimes. Remember, most of these victims are good little Hollywood leftists, and true believers. I think they were willing to stay silent in order to protect Hillary by keeping sexual harassment by lefty icons out of the spotlight.

Once her political career was essentially over, there was little reason for the victims to stay silent. And after Harvey was destroyed, things just snowballed. There's no one on the left that's high-ranking enough to protect in the same way that they protected Hillary.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 24, 2017 05:23 PM (eXA4G)

218 For those saying that Lewinsky wasn't harassed because she was a voluntary participant, the paradigm has always been that in a situation of disparate power, the person with less authority can't honestly consent.

For a while in the early 00's we had to watch the same stupid sexual harassment videos every year. They finally laid off when everyone started making fun of the ridiculous scenarios.

And welcome back, OregonMuse! Hope you're feeling better!

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at November 24, 2017 05:28 PM (pWCrC)

219 You don't want to talk about it, you don't want to hear about it, and it's Just Plain Wrong, but the totally mobilized and mobile work force of WWII had a major effect on sexual mores, and we have both the "war widow" birthrate stats and the VD films to bear that out.

Of course if you were a teenager in the 60's it seemed like the world was all about sex, either what you were doing or what other people were doing that bothered you. But this was also a major topic of discussion, with sociological commentary, in the 50's, in the 40's, the 20s, the 1890's. Frankly, the world has always been going to shit.

What about Gary Hart? Does he count?
Clarence was a watershed in several ways, and Wilbur Mills was old school like Oldsmobile Ted, but I think Hart was a more modern arrangement, and Anita Hill didn't just drop out of heaven.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2017 05:46 PM (H5rtT)

220 Happy to see that you are doing better, OM!

Posted by: Alana at November 24, 2017 06:09 PM (o3d0j)

221 What I don't like is the inevitable blurring of distinctions among offenses. This whole "MeToo" campaign tries to equate unwanted pickup attempts, dating with an age difference, and drunken hookups with actual sexual assault, actual coercion, and actual rape.

It serves two useful Liberal purposes: it dilutes their actual criminals in a huge pool of (imaginary) "toxic masculinity" -- and it lets them continue to criminalize and pathologize men.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 24, 2017 06:19 PM (v8NF5)

222 One of Rush's callers suggested that Trump's success in taking on the swamp may be emboldening others to be more assertive who have hitherto been intimidated by the lib power structure.

Posted by: norrin radd, sojourner of the spaceways at November 24, 2017 06:29 PM (3Lyjl)

223 So on the Methodist Church thing, you are trying to tell me the Progressives must infiltrate, control, then destroy every organization they come in contact with? Same thing happened with Catholic Church in most of Central and South America. The lure of socialism/communism to the progressive liberal priests in the church created a culture in the parish that was at first accepting, then ultimately supporting the destructions of freedoms, both financial and political.
The one thing that any Christian Church should preach/teach is that NO ONE can save themselves. But a friendlier, nicer sounding message is that even though no one single person can SAVE themselves, somehow a big group can.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2017 06:34 PM (BtQd4)

224 "Me, I think God is just forcing the Democrats to play by their own
rules. They've sewn the wind, now they're reaping the whirlwind."

I wish it was so, but it is not. Just as the explanation over at the bookworm is in error.

One must not fall into the trap of thinking that leftist are like us because we are all human. The leftist does not think the same was us or any non-political person. The are first and last leftists in everything. They will use any method, legal or illegal, moral or immoral to advance their march to power. Nothing matters to the leftist but the march to power and once obtained maintaining power.

It is why I believe they love the necessary proper clause of the Constitution. In essence, the clause states that let the end be legitimate, then any all means to achieve that end are proper. In the case of the Constitution, the end must be a Constitutional end, but for the leftist, the end is the march to and/or seizure maintenance of power.

This outing and feeding frenzy concerning the DNC gropers is about the march to power and clearing away those people impeding the march. If a few DNC gropers who are not impeding the march get caught up in the clearing away, so what. All that matters is the Clinton machine and its loyalists are swept away as the leftist continue to assault Trump.

Notice how hard the leftists are protecting Al "tiny hands" Franken. He has use for the march to power and the assault on Trump. And so we see the Bill Clinton defense tactics employed, such as using women to say he is a good guy, asserting that he is an advocate for women then throwing him into a meaningless ethics panel. No DNC leftist is calling for his ouster.

This country and its bedrock institutions, the family, religion, patriotism, the Constitution, etc. are constantly under assault by the left. They are always chipping away, eroding the foundation on their march to power. They use any means possible to divide us and to persuade us top compromise our mores, our laws, our selves.

I refer to them as the powers of darkness, for that is what they spread. The wish to turn all of us into slaves toiling for a small minority. They wish to return to a time before people believed "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, . . ."

Posted by: Locke Common at November 24, 2017 07:06 PM (nltFn)

225 Why now? Because it's a good way to gut the phallocracy. The corporate sector has already been hit hard, but positions of power in DC and Hollywood were still largely in the hands of teh evul men.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at November 24, 2017 07:17 PM (ggtda)

226 After the humiliating defeat of Hillary!, the left wants to clear out the old vanguard. Get rid of all the deadweight deadwood and make room for others to rise up into the kingmaker / makee positions.

This sexual harassment apocalypse is simply a means to an end, not a great moral awakening.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 24, 2017 04:09 PM (QLvwG)

I think that's a component of it, but why take out Weinstein? OK, he was a Hillarhoid, but he was also a major bundler for the Dems.

And why take out Orestes at PBS, or Franken? How does torching them have any bearing on Hillary?

I think the book by Donna Brazile and the rest mentioned above is part of a whole new force sweeping the decks of the left.

With the Clinton Crime Family, the Hollywood cartel was a major source of funding for the DNC/left.

What if the new boss has no need? What if they are self-funded? What if the tech oligarchs are planning on getting overtly political? They would have no need of funding. In fact, they would blow a bridge (Hollywood funding) they have no intention or need of using. The landscape is clear for an Apple/Microsoft/Google/Facebook Wunderkind to step into the field and face a decimated left.

Didn't the Washington Post start this thing rolling? Who owns that piece of fishwrap now?

Remember the buzz in the 90's of the Clintons having something like 250 secret FBI files that they held over opponents heads? What if a tech lord had everyone's search and browsing history?

Could be a whole new game afoot.

Posted by: Brewmeistr at November 24, 2017 08:11 PM (8SnEY)

227 Why now? Because the crazies who believe we're a "rape culture" think they're strong enough now that they can purge Hollywood of all non-SJWs, and charging sexual harassment may very well achieve that.

I'm hoping this whole campaign will backfire, at least to the extent of teaching some lefties the hard way that due process (including a statute of limitations short enough to make it possible to defend oneself) matters. If we're lucky, we can also get the cultural warfare (no jokes/innuendo/"locker room atmosphere") part of the sexual harassment law rolled back, preferably in a way that the next Democratic administration won't be able to undo.

Posted by: jdgalt at November 24, 2017 10:21 PM (3SFo/)

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