In Interviews With Congress, John Podesta and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz Denied Knowing Who Paid for the Dossier

Despite the fact that it was them, through their lawyer Marc Elias.

Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta and former Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz both privately denied to congressional Russia investigators that they had any knowledge about an arrangement to pay for opposition research on President Donald Trump, three sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
The interviews happened before this week's disclosure that the Clinton campaign and DNC paid for the research. Senate investigators may seek to further question the two top Democrats and dig deeper on the origins of the so-called Trump dossier, one of the sources briefed on the matter said.
Their remarks to congressional investigators raise the stakes in their assertion that they knew nothing about the funding because it's against the law to make false statements to Congress.

By the way, this being #FakeNews CNN (and I don't suggest you click), the next sentence is something very much like "Republicans have seized upon this controversy as a way to deflect..." You know -- Republicans are epileptics. Always seizing, seizing, seizing.

Or pouncing.

Shorter CNN: Republicans are seizing on this proven lie to Congress to distract from Democrats' unevidenced claims of lawbreaking.

This gets better. I mentioned earlier that Marc Elias was both Podesta's and the DNC's lawyer -- as well as being the pointman at the law firm that actually laundered Clinton's and the DNC's money to pay Fusion.

But I didn't notice the context in which he served as their lawyer.

Marc Elias, representing both Podesta and Wasserman-Schultz, said nothing as his clients made false statements to Congress about having "no idea" who funded Fusion, and despite himself being in a position to know with certainty.

Whether or not this testimony was under oath, it is a crime to provide false testimony to Congress. Elias certainly knew about the funding and its connection to the DNC and Team Hillary, and yet remained silent. He may not have been a witness, but as the attorney representing Podesta -- who served as Hillary's campaign manager -- wouldn’t he have at least leaned over and advised his client not to answer that question? And given that sources close to Hillary Clinton claim she found out about it in January, long before this probe began, wouldn't Podesta have known about it by the time he answered this question?

CNN is already tipping how they'll play this -- arguing against the White House suggesting that the gag order on the Uranium One informant be lifted.

That is, they're arguing against government transparency.

BTW, Sessions says he's aware of no such suggestion and he was discussing this with the Senate for a while now.

Posted by: Ace at 02:08 PM

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1 Shills gotta shill.

Posted by: Insomniac - Just a Poor Boy, Nobody Loves Me at October 28, 2017 02:07 PM (NWiLs)

2 Hmm.

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 02:08 PM (R5lpX)

3 Vely intelestink.

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 02:08 PM (R5lpX)

4 You know -- Republicans are epileptics. Always seizing, seizing, seizing.

Or pouncing.

++++

Nah. Not epileptics. Predators. Waiting for the chance to move in for the kill on the nice, soft, fluffy Democrats.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 28, 2017 02:10 PM (pvjTE)

5 The whole lot of them ( with Hillary leading the charge) have screamed Collusion! So what now they were only parroting eachother whithout any knowing about this report?

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2017 02:11 PM (aC6Sd)

6
Lots of meat and malice in this, for sure. Anyway, I understand that PDT ordered the gag lifted which caused pencil-neck geek Schiff to have a coronary and order PDT investigated for doing his legal job.

What a stooge. And his actions indicate that they are now in full panic mode over this. They have lost air cover by the MFM because now the MFM is basically a half step below crackwhore in public trust and slightly beneath that of Congress.

Ace. Go rest!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 28, 2017 02:12 PM (mbhDw)

7 The Congress Critters better get right with this - they are going to get stonewalled until they start putting people in a jail cell.

The lawyer, DWS, Podesta - they will look a committee straight in the eye and swear it's not their signature on the check, not their voice in the audio, and not their image in the video.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 28, 2017 02:12 PM (JyFLk)

8 Nah. Not epileptics. Predators. Waiting for the chance to move in for the kill on the nice, soft, fluffy Democrats.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 28, 2017 02:10 PM (pvjTE)

It's like the Democrats are like a new born gazelle and the Republicans are the vicious Lion just waiting to hear in to it.

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 02:12 PM (R5lpX)

9 8
It's like the Democrats are like a new born gazelle and the Republicans are the vicious Lion just waiting to hear in to it.
Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 02:12 PM (R5lpX)

Hopefully not Burt Lahr or Leo from that Bugs Bunny cartoon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 28, 2017 02:13 PM (mbhDw)

10 Marc Elias, professional cut out, is compensated generously to lie.

Posted by: Lester at October 28, 2017 02:13 PM (LfJIn)

11 7 The Congress Critters better get right with this - they are going to get stonewalled until they start putting people in a jail cell.

The lawyer, DWS, Podesta - they will look a committee straight in the eye and swear it's not their signature on the check, not their voice in the audio, and not their image in the video.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 28, 2017 02:12 PM (JyFLk)

THIS. Plus the hanging of Bowe Bergdahl should focus the attention.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 28, 2017 02:14 PM (mbhDw)

12 Marc Elias, professional cut out, is compensated generously to lie.

Posted by: Lester at October 28, 2017 02:13 PM (LfJIn)

"Liar for Hire, you can't beat our rates!"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 28, 2017 02:15 PM (O848g)

13 Hopefully not Burt Lahr or Leo from that Bugs Bunny cartoon.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 28, 2017 02:13 PM (mbhDw)

I said "vicious" Lion. Or perhaps new born Fawn and vicious Wolf would've been more apropos?

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 02:16 PM (R5lpX)

14 7 The Congress Critters better get right with this - they are going to get stonewalled until they start putting people in a jail cell.

The lawyer, DWS, Podesta - they will look a committee straight in the eye and swear it's not their signature on the check, not their voice in the audio, and not their image in the video.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 28, 2017 02:12 PM (JyFLk)

THIS. Plus the hanging of Bowe Bergdahl should focus the attention.

From your posts to G*d's ears. Please!

Posted by: Iris at October 28, 2017 02:16 PM (h06AS)

15 The clinton and obama crime families will never pay for their lawlessness until a talented, vindictive SOB is found with balls of steel to tear their playhouse down.

Posted by: colfax mingo at October 28, 2017 02:18 PM (0n18S)

16 In CNN's faux landscape of distortion, Republicans know how to deploy diversionary tactics. As if.

Posted by: kallisto at October 28, 2017 02:18 PM (qV5PD)

17 So more perjury charges that will never get filed. Its Kabuki-town, Ace

Posted by: Iblis at October 28, 2017 02:19 PM (3gBCr)

18 17 So more perjury charges that will never get filed. Its Kabuki-town, Ace
Posted by: Iblis at October 28, 2017 02:19 PM (3gBCr)

No, more like Kabukaki, and the American people are on the receiving end.

Posted by: jim at October 28, 2017 02:20 PM (gjGvH)

19 I am hoping that when all the lawyers, cut outs, contractors of slime and smear, toady pee pee dossier passer around-ers, providers of false information, pushers of libel to journolists, journolists who utter or pass along libelous smears, etc are lined up, then the amount that each one was paid can be attached to their name. Much of this will be in the Fusion GPS bank records unless they got paid in petty cash coins ie a roll of nickels. Hillary paid Putin (with 25 nobody cutouts in between) is what it will boil down to I suspect. After he paid her for Uranium One.

Posted by: Lester at October 28, 2017 02:20 PM (LfJIn)

20 I kinda hope they do arrest Manafort on Monday. If Mueller thinks Trump won't escalate a situation at a time and place of his choosing... he hasn't been paying attention.

Before, putting Podesta and Schultz behind bars would have given rise to HITLER squared. After Monday it will just be a reaction. So DO IT, BITCHES. You have so so much more to lose.

Posted by: trev006 at October 28, 2017 02:21 PM (jRA31)

21 Nothing will happen. Hillary and the rest of the DNC and Deep State stooges will never be brought to justice, because the swamp/establishment protects its own.

Posted by: jim at October 28, 2017 02:22 PM (gjGvH)

22 I'm sure the announcement of who was actually indicted next week won't spike my blood pressure at all.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at October 28, 2017 02:24 PM (e4ZX9)

23 Question is, is Elias paid enough to go to jail keeping silent? Real mob guys do, sometimes.

Also going to re-link this from this morning h/t Sarah Hoyt at Insty.

"From Russia with Lies" http://tinyurl.com/yc2j6stf

Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 02:25 PM (zOpu5)

24 Soon.

SOOOOOON.

Posted by: Max Power at October 28, 2017 02:25 PM (QCc6B)

25 Lois Lerner is still a free woman.
Eric Holder is still a free man.
No one at the BATFE has paid a price for gun running to Mexico (except their poor victims)

Don't expect anything to come of this vis-a-vis current Uranium One investigations.

Posted by: jim at October 28, 2017 02:25 PM (gjGvH)

26 Only CNN's looney tune audience believes Republicans can mount an effective counteroffensive. If any convictions come out of these revelations I'm more inclined to credit sunspot activity than any badassery on the part of GOPes.

Posted by: kallisto at October 28, 2017 02:26 PM (qV5PD)

27 22,
" I'm sure the announcement of who was actually indicted next week won't spike my blood pressure at all."

Unless it's bananas all the way down.
http://tinyurl.com/ycsv6jsj

Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 02:26 PM (zOpu5)

28 15 The clinton and obama crime families will never pay for their lawlessness until a talented, vindictive SOB is found with balls of steel to tear their playhouse down.
Posted by: colfax mingo at October 28, 2017 02:18 PM (0n18S)

1. Whoever takes that job on will be personally smeared and attacked for the rest of his or her life, and even in the obituaries and history books. He or she better be prepared for that.

2. Hillary is unconvictable. She would be tried in either DC or New York, and there is zero chance of empaneling a jury that would not include at least one die-hard Democrat and Trump hater who would never, ever vote to convict Hillary, no matter how damning the evidence. At best, she can be named as an unindicted co-conspirator.

The potential workaround is that the Clinton Foundation was (may still be) incorporated in Arkansas, and Bruce Lindsay ran it out of his office in Little Rock for years. It also runs the library. It's possible that Arkansas could assert jurisdiction over the CF's crimes, and she could be tried there in state court, and a tougher call, but not impossible, that the US Attorney for Arkansas could assert jurisdiction and she could be tried for her federal crimes there. But that's a long putt, not likely to succeed, as New York is probably a venue that would make more sense to the courts.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 28, 2017 02:27 PM (UnMRd)

29 Wild guess:

There will be actual murders/assassinations over this.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 28, 2017 02:27 PM (Pz4pT)

30 If Hillary had just shut the fuck up and gone away after the election, all of this probably wouldn't have come to light. Hillary is in it for herself and doesn't give a damn who she destroys, friend or foe.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 02:28 PM (gC2IV)

31 Since we now know that Christopher Steele was MI6's Russia expert, who's willing to bet that much or all of the dossier was ready-made dezinformatsia from his Russian contacts?

Posted by: Insomniac - Just a Poor Boy, Nobody Loves Me at October 28, 2017 02:28 PM (NWiLs)

32 27 22,
" I'm sure the announcement of who was actually indicted next week won't spike my blood pressure at all."

Unless it's bananas all the way down.
http://tinyurl.com/ycsv6jsj
Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 02:26 PM (zOpu5)

It's more like CNN compares their rotten Durians to juicy Apples.

Posted by: jim at October 28, 2017 02:28 PM (gjGvH)

33 On twitter, saw that the informant's attorney said Rosenstein told informant to stfu. But, Sessions told Grassley in the Committee meeting that he (Sessions) had faith in Rosenstein investigating U1. If the informant testifies to Rosenstein's behavior, what's the next step for Trump?

Posted by: Ever at October 28, 2017 02:30 PM (QZdJj)

34 23 Question is, is Elias paid enough to go to jail keeping silent? Real mob guys do, sometimes.

Also going to re-link this from this morning h/t Sarah Hoyt at Insty.

"From Russia with Lies" http://tinyurl.com/yc2j6stf
Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 02:25 PM (zOpu5)

Who's bringing the steaks? And cut that garlic thin. That's the secret.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 28, 2017 02:30 PM (UnMRd)

35 Another possibility - Fusions' other donor - the Clinton Foundation.

Posted by: Jean at October 28, 2017 02:30 PM (9TU00)

36 It's been suggested several times that blood will begin to flow after tax reform has passed. We will see if that prediction will bear fruit ripe for the plucking.

Posted by: Max Power at October 28, 2017 02:30 PM (QCc6B)

37 29 Wild guess:

There will be actual murders/assassinations over this.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 28, 2017 02:27 PM (Pz4pT)

Say what?

Posted by: Seth Rich at October 28, 2017 02:31 PM (UnMRd)

38 Whether or not this testimony was under oath, it is a crime to provide false testimony to Congress. Elias certainly knew about the funding and its connection to the DNC and Team Hillary, and yet remained silent.

I was a victim of hysterical paralysis. A victim, I tell you. It's awful.

Posted by: Marc Eliar at October 28, 2017 02:32 PM (8gDQu)

39 The potential workaround is that the Clinton Foundation was (may still be) incorporated in Arkansas, and Bruce Lindsay ran it out of his office in Little Rock for years. It also runs the library. It's possible that Arkansas could assert jurisdiction over the CF's crimes, and she could be tried there in state court, and a tougher call, but not impossible, that the US Attorney for Arkansas could assert jurisdiction and she could be tried for her federal crimes there. But that's a long putt, not likely to succeed, as New York is probably a venue that would make more sense to the courts.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 28, 2017 02:27 PM (UnMRd)

According to a search, it's incorporated in NYC, NY.

Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 02:33 PM (Enq6K)

40 People should go watch O'Reilly's interview of Ted Turner. He didn't even know what khmer rouge was.

Posted by: ryukyu at October 28, 2017 02:33 PM (12Vsr)

41 Say what?

Posted by: Seth Rich at October 28, 2017 02:31 PM (UnMRd)
Right? That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Vince Foster at October 28, 2017 02:34 PM (14URa)

42 The clinton and obama crime families will never pay for their lawlessness until a talented, vindictive SOB is found with balls of steel to tear their playhouse down.
Posted by: colfax mingo at October 28, 2017 02:18 PM (0n18S)

1. Whoever takes that job on will be personally smeared and attacked for the rest of his or her life, and even in the obituaries and history books. He or she better be prepared for that.

Scooter?

Posted by: Jean at October 28, 2017 02:34 PM (9TU00)

43 So the CNN source says Mueller filed indictments but not WHO was indicted. Does that pass the smell test here? Look at the faces on the anchors on CNN right now and tell me they look like they're excited and upbeat.

Posted by: james the deplorable disciple of kek at October 28, 2017 02:36 PM (jxw6R)

44 33 it would be up to the committee to get rosenstein to answer informant's charge. Trump is going to let these slimeturds hang themselves.

Posted by: kallisto at October 28, 2017 02:36 PM (qV5PD)

45 ::::Snicker::::

Conspiracy theories! Not within ten miles of my house. Go bowling!

Posted by: Creme Brulee Dude at October 28, 2017 02:36 PM (gC2IV)

46 I know nuthink!

Posted by: Sgt. Hans Podesta at October 28, 2017 02:36 PM (IqV8l)

47 Democrats before a congressional committee:

LINK: https://youtu.be/4pmBC_CrQS4

Posted by: mrp at October 28, 2017 02:38 PM (Pqytn)

48 Where's ol' Debbie been lately, anyhow? It's almost like she vanished off the face of the earth. Bad hair day?

Posted by: Peaches at October 28, 2017 02:38 PM (14URa)

49 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.

Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.

I sent my prayers, others can join in, if desired.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 28, 2017 02:40 PM (hyuyC)

50 Where's ol' Debbie been lately, anyhow? It's almost like she vanished off the face of the earth. Bad hair day?

Posted by: Peaches at October 28, 2017 02:38 PM (14URa)

Wouldn't that be every day with lil' Debbie?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 28, 2017 02:40 PM (O848g)

51 Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.

I sent my prayers, others can join in, if desired.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 28, 2017 02:40 PM (hyuyC)

Oh, crap!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 28, 2017 02:41 PM (O848g)

52 CNN can argue all they want against the Uranium One gag order, but it has already been lifted:

http://tinyurl.com/yc7jmkcj

Posted by: shibumi at October 28, 2017 02:42 PM (aT+Bx)

53 Damn. Cancer sucks.

Prayers, rickl.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 02:43 PM (gC2IV)

54 When you get away with (nay, are actually celebrated and rewarded for) multiple treasonous and felonious acts over decades ... why WOULDN'T you lie to Congress?

It's not like there will be any negative repercussions or something ...

Posted by: ShainS at October 28, 2017 02:43 PM (BiLU+)

55
People should go watch O'Reilly's interview of Ted Turner. He didn't even know what khmer rouge was.
Posted by: ryukyu

It's that red stuff women put on their face.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 28, 2017 02:44 PM (IqV8l)

56 Prayers rickl.

Posted by: steevy at October 28, 2017 02:45 PM (rmVvL)

57 NOTHINGBURGER!!!

Posted by: The Salon Hot 25 at October 28, 2017 02:45 PM (O5Q3r)

58 Prayers made.

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 02:46 PM (R5lpX)

59 49 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.

Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.

I sent my prayers, others can join in, if desired.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 28, 2017 02:40 PM (hyuyC)

=================

Ugh, thanks for the update -- that just ruined my day.

One of my favorite commenters ... prayers for rickl.

Posted by: ShainS at October 28, 2017 02:46 PM (BiLU+)

60 Elias certainly knew about the funding and its connection to the DNC and Team Hillary, and yet remained silent.

No. Elias just runs the law firm. It is a large law firm with probably thousands of clients. He had no way of knowing what was going on with what was, in reality, a small part of his firms business with the DNC and HRC campaign. Low level staffers in the Cincinnati office handled those contracts.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 28, 2017 02:47 PM (BoMuO)

61 It will come down to nameless campaign volunteers paying paralegals in Elias' office to fund Fusion GPS, and since they were such low level employees, we have no record of who they were, so no sense investigating further.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 28, 2017 02:48 PM (BoMuO)

62 Something I don't understand. If you're doing nasty things with the Russians prior to the election, why then would you start screaming Russia! Russia! in order to try and bring down Trump? Why point them in the direction of your own misdeeds? That's the last place I'd want to call attention to.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 02:49 PM (lwiT4)

63 rickl I added you to prayer list. IIRC you are in PHL metro. Trusting you are getting best of care.

Posted by: kallisto at October 28, 2017 02:49 PM (qV5PD)

64 49 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.

Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.

I sent my prayers, others can join in, if desired.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 28, 2017 02:40 PM (hyuyC)
==========================

What?? Oh no!

Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 02:50 PM (lwiT4)

65 Chill out

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 28, 2017 02:51 PM (PUmDY)

66 62 because they control the megaphone. They know progda media will advance that lie.

Posted by: kallisto at October 28, 2017 02:52 PM (qV5PD)

67 Weekend Ace?

how k3wl is that?

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 28, 2017 02:52 PM (TZU1B)

68
Say what?

Posted by: Seth Rich at October 28, 2017 02:31 PM (UnMRd)
Right? That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Vince Foster

You guys.

Posted by: Klaus Eberwein at October 28, 2017 02:52 PM (IcT7t)

69 Fortunately for us, you can't prove we're lying because we've shredded all the documents and hard drives!

Posted by: Dems at October 28, 2017 02:52 PM (hSxPE)

70 Whether or not this testimony was under oath, it is a crime to provide false testimony to Congress. Elias certainly knew about the funding and its connection to the DNC and Team Hillary, and yet remained silent.

Chinese Wall, bitchez! I have my own mind separated into 368 distinct, non-communicating departments. You really don't appreciate what a burden this is. I suffer for the good of ~~Russia~~ Amerikkka.

Posted by: Marc Eliar at October 28, 2017 02:53 PM (8gDQu)

71 It's against ethical standards for lawyers to lie. They can be disbarred.

Therefor no lawyer will lie.

Posted by: Zombie Nixon and his lawyers at October 28, 2017 02:53 PM (6dFYM)

72 Sonobi will not lie to you.

Posted by: Sonobi at October 28, 2017 02:54 PM (6dFYM)

73 Something I don't understand. If you're doing nasty things with the Russians prior to the election, why then would you start screaming Russia! Russia! in order to try and bring down Trump? Why point them in the direction of your own misdeeds? That's the last place I'd want to call attention to.

It is the progressive play that I can't possibly be doing the thing I am accusing you of, because I am the one calling it out. Like Soros running Open Society, that claims to bring government corruption into the open. OF COURSE they can't be the cause of government corruption!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 28, 2017 02:54 PM (BoMuO)

74 Fortunately for us, you can't prove we're lying because we've shredded all the documents and hard drives!

Posted by: Dems

You're sure you got everything?

Posted by: Wikileaks at October 28, 2017 02:55 PM (IcT7t)

75 So......DWS, Perez, and Podesta are either:
1) utter, baldfaced liars, or
2) utterly clueless incompetents in charge of the DNC or the DNC's presidential campaign
3) both.

That's it. Those are the options.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2017 02:55 PM (LAe3v)

76 Starting to think that Trump has a time machine.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 02:56 PM (gC2IV)

77 We seize and pounce, as opposed to Hillary, who seizes and collapses.

So we got that going for us.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2017 02:56 PM (HiDrR)

78 73
Something I don't understand. If you're doing nasty things with the
Russians prior to the election, why then would you start screaming
Russia! Russia! in order to try and bring down Trump? Why point them in
the direction of your own misdeeds? That's the last place I'd want to
call attention to.

A very reasonable question. The only answer that makes any sense is that they never expected to lose the election, so never expected their misdeeds to see the light of day.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2017 02:56 PM (LAe3v)

79 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.
Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.
------------------------------
O Lord, please give him strength.

Posted by: Vladimir Lenin at October 28, 2017 02:57 PM (0jtPF)

80 Saturday Morning(ish) Ace?

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2017 02:57 PM (w/tbV)

81 Can't think now, with this stunning news from rickl. I'll check back later.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 02:57 PM (lwiT4)

82
I have no idea how that bomb got into my briefcase or the plot to assassinate Der Fuhrer.

Posted by: Claus von Stauffenberg at October 28, 2017 02:58 PM (t6XCL)

83 Maybe Podesta and Debbie's Evil Twins paid for it? Did you ever think of that?

Posted by: tu3031 at October 28, 2017 02:58 PM (O5Q3r)

84 A very reasonable question. The only answer that makes any sense is that they never expected to lose the election, so never expected their misdeeds to see the light of day.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2017 02:56 PM (LAe3v)

I get that but why keep it up AFTER the election?

Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 02:58 PM (Enq6K)

85 Why would Elias go to jail to help the coverup when he can easily be found at 4am shot in the back on a Washington DC sidewalk. I don't get that.

Posted by: torabora at October 28, 2017 02:58 PM (6dFYM)

86 Why point them in the direction of your own misdeeds?

a. Trump wasn't supposed to fight back.
b. Russia isn't likely to say anything since they're in cahoots.

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2017 02:59 PM (hSxPE)

87 >> It's against ethical standards for lawyers to lie. They can be disbarred.

>>Therefor no lawyer will lie.

This.

Posted by: Hillary and Bill CLinton at October 28, 2017 02:59 PM (w/tbV)

88 Sorry to hear about rickl. My best to him.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 28, 2017 02:59 PM (O5Q3r)

89 My bet is Don Jr is the indicte.

Donks play for keeps.

It's going to be SHTF Monday.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 28, 2017 02:59 PM (20mhE)

90 May we have a flaming skull, please?

Posted by: m at October 28, 2017 02:59 PM (1Xpas)

91 They have to keep the coverup because of the crime, to paraphrase Watergate. And Hildabeast knows all about that.

Posted by: torabora at October 28, 2017 03:00 PM (6dFYM)

92 Always stalking, stalking, stalking.....zzzzZZZZzzzz

Posted by: Under Fire at October 28, 2017 03:00 PM (mcI77)

93 Prayers for rickl. We're pulling for you.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 28, 2017 03:01 PM (mcI77)

94 Not yet, but as I wrote the other day a flaming skull thread is coming hopefully.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2017 03:01 PM (aC6Sd)

95 Off, stupid commie sock!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:02 PM (0jtPF)

96 Terrible news about rickl, one of my favorite people, here.

I wish you strength, man.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2017 03:03 PM (8gDQu)

97 Fuck Cancer.

Stay Strong, rickl.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2017 03:04 PM (w/tbV)

98 Gagging in any form is never a welcome move.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 28, 2017 03:04 PM (nUkMr)

99 We're going to need a bigger Federal Minimum Security Prison.

Posted by: Roy Scheider at October 28, 2017 03:05 PM (FhXTo)

100 89 My bet is Don Jr is the indicte.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 28, 2017 02:59 PM (20mhE)
----------------------------
Yeah, it could be a perjury thing where Jr. said something happened at 3:10PM and it was actually 3:15PM. Scooter Libby nonsense.

And then Trump can't fire Mueller because it would obviously be purely personal.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:06 PM (0jtPF)

101 That is, they're arguing against government transparency.

Yes, wasn't eight years of "government transparency'" enough?

Posted by: tu3031 at October 28, 2017 03:06 PM (O5Q3r)

102 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 28, 2017 02:54 PM (BoMuO)

Projection is a tried and tested defense mechanism - especially useful for the exceedingly guilty.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Leftists have used projection as their main defense/attack mechanism for a very long time and it has generally worked out pretty well for them. Part of the mechanism is that when someone turns their accusations back on their own behavior they say, "You're just saying that because we accused you of it!"

Think of Barky and the rest of the AMerica-haters pretending they love America (the source of all evil in the world) and actually calling conservatives "traitors"! Chutzpah, at its ~~finest~~ worst.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2017 03:07 PM (8gDQu)

103 79 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.
Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.
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O Lord, please give him strength.
Posted by: Vladimir Lenin at October 28, 2017 02:57 PM (0jtPF)

Lord touch and grant courage.

Posted by: Northernlurker at October 28, 2017 03:08 PM (3zhEq)

104 87 >> It's against ethical standards for lawyers to lie. They can be disbarred.

Don't you only get in trouble for admitting you lied? With leniency, of course, for being so honest.

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2017 03:08 PM (hSxPE)

105 100 89 My bet is Don Jr is the indicte.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 28, 2017 02:59 PM (20mhE)
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Yeah, it could be a perjury thing where Jr. said something happened at 3:10PM and it was actually 3:15PM. Scooter Libby nonsense.

And then Trump can't fire Mueller because it would obviously be purely personal.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:06 PM (0jtPF)

Which son had the meeting with that Russian woman?...which amounted to absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 03:10 PM (Enq6K)

106 wascally wepublicans always accusing Democrats of being as clean as driven snow.

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 28, 2017 03:10 PM (8RQER)

107 Say what?
Posted by: Seth Rich at October 28, 2017 02:31 PM

Right? That's just crazy talk.
Posted by: Vince Foster at October 28, 2017 02:34 PM

Best Hillary meme: A pic of her with the caption THIS SH*T RIGHT HERE IS WHY I SUICIDE PEOPLE.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at October 28, 2017 03:10 PM (2NqXo)

108 The CNN spin actually made me laugh. They are so brazen in their corruption.
Hillary found eating a baby. Republicans will use this to promote the anti choice movement.

Posted by: Northernlurker at October 28, 2017 03:11 PM (3zhEq)

109 So.

Everything is leaked...but this.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2017 03:12 PM (w/tbV)

110 Does Ace usually post on Saturdays? Or has he been hacked? Maybe it doesn't matter. Things are upside down crazyville everywhere.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 28, 2017 03:13 PM (IG9gl)

111 If any convictions come out of these revelations I'm more inclined to credit sunspot activity than any badassery on the part of GOPes.
Posted by: kallisto at October 28, 2017 02:26 PM (qV5PD)

See! Republicans DO cause global warming!

Posted by: CNN Stooge at October 28, 2017 03:16 PM (iGewq)

112 79 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.
Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.

Shit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Just a Poor Boy, Nobody Loves Me at October 28, 2017 03:17 PM (QkCBY)

113 105---Which son had the meeting with that Russian woman?...which amounted to absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 03:10 PM (Enq6K)
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Yes, but as I said, if Don Jr. said the meeting was at 3:10 and it really was at 3:15, a sleazeball might indict him for perjury. For the media narrative.

Scooter Libby went down for naming the wrong day --- in an investigation in which even the prosecutor admitted NO crime had been committed. But the Left made it into a major OMG!1!!1!1 scandal.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:17 PM (0jtPF)

114 On twitter, saw that the informant's attorney said Rosenstein told informant to stfu.
Posted by: Ever at October 28, 2017 02:30 PM
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Informant's attorney (Victoria Toensing) said it was Loretta Lynch.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2017 03:18 PM (HiDrR)

115 Something I don't understand. If you're doing nasty things with the Russians prior to the election, why then would you start screaming Russia! Russia! in order to try and bring down Trump? Why point them in the direction of your own misdeeds? That's the last place I'd want to call attention to.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 02:49 PM (lwiT4)

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They were ultimately colluding with Russian officials for oppo, so the story concocted by Russia would most probably involve some sort of Trump-Russia connection. It would be easier than inventing, for example, some Trump-China connection out of whole cloth. Here at least they could say, "Trump visited X hotel and had dinner with Y", and even though it was innocuous, it would be verifiable.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2017 03:18 PM (/qEW2)

116 Prayers said for rickl.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at October 28, 2017 03:19 PM (Ftuf+)

117 75,
" So......DWS, Perez, and Podesta are either:
1) utter, baldfaced liars, or
2) utterly clueless incompetents in charge of the DNC or the DNC's presidential campaign
3) both.

That's it. Those are the options."

4) all the above and Evil to the core.

Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 03:21 PM (zOpu5)

118 So sorry rickl. You must feel gut punched.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 28, 2017 03:22 PM (IG9gl)

119 I see Sure is here to deliver the latest talking points.

Say opposition research, Sure.

SAY IT

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 03:23 PM (gC2IV)

120 Sources Say Fusion GPS Report Was All A Big Mistake And "Why Don't We Forget All About It?"

Posted by: This...is CNN at October 28, 2017 03:23 PM (O5Q3r)

121 My thoughts and prayers with you rickl.

I hate cancer, lost both my parents to that evil thing many years ago before treatments were improved.

Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 03:24 PM (zOpu5)

122 All of the elite organizations around the world put their executive administrative tasking both on autopilot and in the hands of lawyers and then sit back a claim to know nothing about what's going on.

It's in the Handbook.

Posted by: Fritz at October 28, 2017 03:25 PM (Kwhm/)

123 Uh oh.....

On Friday, the Richmond Times-Dispatch editorial board torched the Northam campaign for the mailer that suggested Gillespie is somehow a supporter of white supremacy:

They [the Democrats] have distributed a mailer of their own, seeking to tie Republican gubernatorial nominee Ed Gillespie to the white nationalists who rampaged through Charlottesville in August.

That isn't merely a reach. It's practically libel.

Gillespie has repeatedly and passionately condemned white supremacists and other creatures that have crawled out from under the alt-right rock. Linking him to them requires the following absurd logic: (1) Donald Trump said some stupid things about Charlottesville. (2) Trump is a Republican. (3) Gillespie is a Republican. (4) Therefore, Gillespie supports racial hate.

That makes no more sense than this: (1) Some Democrats have defended the violent street thugs of antifa. (2) Ralph Northam is a Democrat. (3) Therefore, Ralph Northam supports violent street thuggery.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 28, 2017 03:25 PM (BoMuO)

124 Think of Barky and the rest of the AMerica-haters pretending they love America (the source of all evil in the world) and actually calling conservatives "traitors"! Chutzpah, at its finest worst.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2017 03:07 PM (8gDQu)

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I think they get a buzz out of doing it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2017 03:26 PM (/qEW2)

125 Can't tell you how we made the Steele Dossier. Trade secret.

Posted by: J. Comey, Vice-President in charge of Russian Acquisitions, Nat. Assoc. of Evidence Manufacturers at October 28, 2017 03:26 PM (Ndje9)

126 64
49 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.

Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.

I sent my prayers, others can join in, if desired.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 28, 2017 02:40 PM (hyuyC)
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What?? Oh no!

Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 02:50 PM (lwiT4)
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Oh my goodness - what awful news.Thoughts and prayers rickl . . .please check in here often for words of encouragement and, if you need assistance. We are here for you.

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 28, 2017 03:26 PM (Fb9aZ)

127 never forget that the whole dossier thing started when Rick (Spit!) Wilson pissed off 4chan, and they concocted all sorts of bullshit, and sent it off to the MFM, who lapped it up because they wanted to believe it...

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 28, 2017 03:27 PM (TZU1B)

128
Something I don't understand. If you're doing nasty things with the Russians prior to the election, why then would you start screaming Russia! Russia! in order to try and bring down Trump? Why point them in the direction of your own misdeeds? That's the last place I'd want to call attention to. Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 02:49 PM (lwiT4)

It was a snap operation because they never planned on losing so it wasn't a well thought plan. They really had nothing else. Remember during the campaign when Trump jokingly asked the Russians to return Hillary's emails if they had them and the media went crazy over it saying Trump was asking the Russians to interfere in the election.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 28, 2017 03:28 PM (lKyWE)

129 Gergen: 'Certainly Looks Like the Dam Is About to Break' on the Trump Admin.

Early night?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 28, 2017 03:28 PM (mcI77)

130 rickl, hugs and many many prayers.

You can beat this.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 28, 2017 03:28 PM (hMwEB)

131 Related to all of this, apparently the Washington Fusion Beacon didn't like people giving them reviews on Facebook anymore and have completely removed the ability to review them and their last rating of 1.3 stars.

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at October 28, 2017 03:28 PM (cAnNx)

132 Much loved rickl, I am just heartsick with this devastating news. I certainly will be praying for you and pulling for you along with everyone else here.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 28, 2017 03:29 PM (tcwn1)

133 How do these people keep all their lies straight? Seriously, how do people juggle all these lies? And at this point, is there anyone not lying? Maybe Sessions (shut up). But really, I don't know who to trust. Are these apple facts? Banana facts? Bunch of fruit loops.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 28, 2017 03:29 PM (IG9gl)

134 Why haven't they issued 50 indictments?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 28, 2017 03:30 PM (BoMuO)

135 131 Gergen: 'Certainly Looks Like the Dam Is About to Break' on the Trump Admin.

Early night?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 28, 2017 03:28 PM (mcI77)

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After everything that happened last week, that's his take? The bubble is strong with that one.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 03:30 PM (gC2IV)

136 "CNN is already tipping how they'll play this"

Yeah, they're pretending that the crime is Trump releasing the informant to testify, not Obama forcing the informant to hide his knowledge of ClintonCrime.

Posted by: J. Comey, Vice-President in charge of Russian Acquisitions, Nat. Assoc. of Evidence Manufacturers at October 28, 2017 03:31 PM (Ndje9)

137 Prayers for you, rickl.

Stay strong and FIGHT that bitch cancer. Emotionally, you may not feel up to it at the moment, but you can and must.

There have been tremendous strides in cancer treatment just in the last three years, particularly for lung cancer.

Fight back hard. You've got an army of researchers and doctors plus a great big prayer army fighting right alongside you!

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2017 03:31 PM (HiDrR)

138 128 64
49 rickl, our space expert and all around good commenter, mentioned some dire news in the Below the Gardening Thread.

Stage 4 lung cancer as a new diagnosis.

I sent my prayers, others can join in, if desired.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 28, 2017 02:40 PM (hyuyC)
==========================

What?? Oh no!

Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 02:50 PM (lwiT4)
***
Oh my goodness - what awful news.Thoughts and prayers rickl . . .please check in here often for words of encouragement and, if you need assistance. We are here for you.
Posted by: Publius Redux at October 28, 2017 03:26 PM (Fb9aZ)

My thoughts and prayers with him and his family. On a positive note, having dealt and currently dealing with a family member with cancer, I can tell you the treatment options today are worlds apart from where they were just 5 or 10 years ago, with lots more options available, so hold in there.

Posted by: jim at October 28, 2017 03:31 PM (gjGvH)

139 Leftists since the Russian Revolution have projected what they are doing onto their opposition, doesn't seem logical but thats what they do and with great success all through history.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2017 03:31 PM (aC6Sd)

140 117 Accio phallus gigantus!
Posted by: Sure at October 28, 2017 03:19 PM (+hbkt)
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Gibberish.
Either put your phallus in the accusative or put the verb in 3rd person.
And there is no such word as "gigantus."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:32 PM (0jtPF)

141 John Podesta and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz Denied Knowing Who Paid for the Dossier

Denying isn't lying, is it? "I deny that" is not the same as "no".

Well done, disciples!

Posted by: Bill Clinton Truth Foundation at October 28, 2017 03:33 PM (hSxPE)

142 133 Related to all of this, apparently the Washington Fusion Beacon didn't like people giving them reviews on Facebook anymore and have completely removed the ability to review them and their last rating of 1.3 stars.
Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at October 28, 2017 03:28 PM (cAnNx)

Hah. Could kinda see that coming. Our new world. Don't like election results? Write a book blaming people and leaving out facts. Harvey a predator...remove his name from all movies.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 28, 2017 03:33 PM (IG9gl)

143 On a positive note, having dealt and currently
dealing with a family member with cancer, I can tell you the treatment
options today are worlds apart from where they were just 5 or 10 years
ago, with lots more options available, so hold in there.

Posted by: jim at October 28, 2017 03:31 PM (gjGvH)
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That's hopeful news. Thanks.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 28, 2017 03:33 PM (lwiT4)

144 Here's Robby Mook on Russians, back when DWS was booted from the chairmanship of the DNC, in July 2016 (via the guardian):

"Wikileaks published the latest batch, but on Sunday' Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, said "experts" believed the Russian government may have played a role, even claiming their motive was to help elect Donald Trump."

I forgot how long this has been going on.

Posted by: m at October 28, 2017 03:36 PM (1Xpas)

145 I can tell you the treatment options today are worlds apart from where they were just 5 or 10 years ago, with lots more options available, so hold in there.
Posted by: jim at October 28, 2017 03:31 PM
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You are so right, jim. I am utterly amazed at what can be done today.

(((hugs))) and prayers for rickl.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2017 03:36 PM (HiDrR)

146 There have been tremendous strides in cancer treatment just in the last three years, particularly for lung cancer.

Fight back hard. You've got an army of researchers and doctors plus a great big prayer army fighting right alongside you!

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2017 03:31 PM (HiDrR)

He just mention that on the other thread:

As the oncologist pointed out, there have been some significant advances in treatment just in the past year or so. The longer I can stay alive, the better the chances for still more advances and even revolutionary breakthroughs.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2017 03:29 PM (sdi6R)

Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 03:36 PM (Enq6K)

147 137 131 Gergen: 'Certainly Looks Like the Dam Is About to Break' on the Trump Admin.

Early night?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 28, 2017 03:28 PM (mcI77)

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Wait...what? Maybe he's having his Karl Rove moment.

I did hear Mueller is naming names on Monday....maybe that's what he is talking about.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 28, 2017 03:37 PM (IG9gl)

148 Something I don't understand. If you're doing nasty things with the Russians prior to the election, why then would you start screaming Russia! Russia! in order to try and bring down Trump? Why point them in the direction of your own misdeeds? That's the last place I'd want to call attention to. Posted by: grammie winger

They had already crossed the Crime Line well before the election loss and had no choice but to continue. Accusing others helps pre-empt their own guilt.

And brazen, bald-faced lying has worked well for this crowd.

Posted by: J. Comey, Vice-President in charge of Russian Acquisitions, Nat. Assoc. of Evidence Manufacturers at October 28, 2017 03:39 PM (Ndje9)

149 He just mention that on the other thread:
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As the oncologist pointed out, there have been some significant advances in treatment just in the past year or so. The longer I can stay alive, the better the chances for still more advances and even revolutionary breakthroughs.
Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2017 03:29 PM
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Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 03:36 PM

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So glad to hear that! It sounds like he has an excellent medical team, and he has the right attitude.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2017 03:39 PM (HiDrR)

150 Rickl - prayers dear heart. When you need strength and a shot of courage come here and let the horde Surround you with our collective prayers and questionable humor.

Posted by: Cheri at October 28, 2017 03:40 PM (mWags)

151 I have had 2 coworkers diagnosed with end stage cancer in the last few years. They are both alive and doing well. Cancer research and treatments have come an Incredibly long way.

Posted by: Cheri at October 28, 2017 03:45 PM (mWags)

152 Always parse Clintonites.

No, they don't know specifically who paid for the dossier.

They paid the law firm. The law firm paid Fusion GPS.

Fusion GPS paid Steele, who paid someone or several someones.

So technically some intern in one organization or the other cut the check and no one can remember who it was.

So, no, they don't know, specifically, who paid for the dossier.

Posted by: blaster at October 28, 2017 03:45 PM (jHrzU)

153 OT, but how did Battle Hymn of The Republic become Georgia's fight song?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 03:45 PM (gC2IV)

154 125 Uh oh.....

On Friday, the Richmond Times-Dispatch editorial board torched the Northam campaign for the mailer that suggested Gillespie is somehow a supporter of white supremacy:

They [the Democrats] have distributed a mailer of their own, seeking to tie Republican gubernatorial nominee Ed Gillespie to the white nationalists who rampaged through Charlottesville in August.

That isn't merely a reach. It's practically libel......

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 28, 2017 03:25 PM (BoMuO)
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Predictable, despicable sleaze.
The polls aren't looking as good as they had hoped.
They need to get out the black vote.

And from what I hear from a poli sci guy at Va Tech --- a Dem, BTW, although not a full moonbat --- the ads Gillespie has run about not tearing down statues have been VERY effective.
Poli-sci guy says that squishy 'moderates,' even in NoVa really don't like Northam's pledge to tear them down. They don't want the boat rocked.

So the Dems answer by calling Gillespie (!!!) a Nazi.
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:46 PM (0jtPF)

155 David Gergen and the NeverTrumpers are going to spend the weekend chafing their dicks over the demise of Trump only to experience limp despair.Again.

Posted by: steevy at October 28, 2017 03:48 PM (rmVvL)

156 Sock off

Posted by: tbodie at October 28, 2017 03:48 PM (iGewq)

157 "As the oncologist pointed out, there have been some significant advances in treatment just in the past year or so. The longer I can stay alive, the better the chances for still more advances and even revolutionary breakthroughs."
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Please, God, give him strength to fight!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:50 PM (0jtPF)

158 Maybe booing me at your convention wasn't such a good idea.

Posted by: God at October 28, 2017 03:53 PM (gC2IV)

159 Here's a thought... maybe Comey is the indicte.

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 03:53 PM (R5lpX)

160 It is interesting how Northam and Gillespie have moved on the statues. At the start of the campaign, Northam was all tear them all down immediately, and Gillespie said well if a community wants to tear them down immediately, I won't stop them. We in Virginia have a lot to regret.

Northam has now moved into the Gillespie position, and Gillespie has moved slightly off it to well they shouldn't be torn down and if a community wanted to put the statues "in context" that would be great.

Posted by: blaster at October 28, 2017 03:53 PM (jHrzU)

161 161 Here's a thought... maybe Comey is the indicte.

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 28, 2017 03:53 PM (R5lpX)

Mueller's BFF? I'd be shocked if true.

Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 03:55 PM (Enq6K)

162 OMG. Just reading about rickl.

My prayers go out to him and his family.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 28, 2017 03:55 PM (PY9jH)

163 I foresee some hilarious "Hitler finds out who Mueller is charging" videos...."Mein Fuhrer,Mueller...Mueller has..brought bullshit charges against a minor flunky.There will be no impeachment."

Posted by: steevy at October 28, 2017 03:56 PM (rmVvL)

164 The Ed Gillespie is literally Trump move is a sure sign that the Dems are desperate. Ed is a #nevertrump Bushie who has filled his staff with likeminded establishment types.

Virginia has a lot of Republicans who don't like Trump, and they don't like Ed tied to him. And the Trump aligned voters look at it and say well if he is like Trump then maybe he isn't so bad.

I think the whole Dem ticket is going down by more than ten points in each office.

Posted by: blaster at October 28, 2017 03:57 PM (jHrzU)

165 Oh,just saw on the ESPN crawl that the Houston Texans players are holding a meeting today to decide what kind of demonstration they are going to have because of their outrage over the "inmates running the prison" quote.Please,sit out the game you dumb fucks.Please.

Posted by: steevy at October 28, 2017 03:58 PM (rmVvL)

166 So the Dems answer by calling Gillespie (!!!) a Nazi.
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 28, 2017 03:46 PM (0jtPF)

so just out of curiosity, when did dems condemn robert byrd? I know they have this weird assed philosophy that the rascists migrated to the republicans but can anyone name names?

Posted by: ryukyu at October 28, 2017 03:58 PM (12Vsr)

167 Pet Thread is nood.

Posted by: steevy at October 28, 2017 03:59 PM (rmVvL)

168 Hahaha a bit late I was....

Posted by: steevy at October 28, 2017 03:59 PM (rmVvL)

169 My guess it'll be Manafort on Monday, but not for his work on the Trump campaign.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER INDICTED!

In paragraph 58 they'll get into the details that the indictment is for his work for the Podesta Group.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 04:00 PM (gC2IV)

170 If Mueller indicts someone for a perjury thing unrelated to Russia, or someone named Trump for some business dealings or something, fan and shit will intersect.

Posted by: blaster at October 28, 2017 04:00 PM (jHrzU)

171 171 My guess it'll be Manafort on Monday, but not for his work on the Trump campaign.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER INDICTED!

In paragraph 58 they'll get into the details that the indictment is for his work for the Podesta Group.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 04:00 PM (gC2IV)

It may be related to the money laundering allegations, but the activities predated his involvement with PDT's campaign I think.

Posted by: Insomniac - Just a Poor Boy, Nobody Loves Me at October 28, 2017 04:01 PM (QkCBY)

172 79
O Lord, please give him strength.
Posted by: Vladimir Lenin at October 28, 2017 02:57 PM (0jtPF)

Now that's funny.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2017 04:01 PM (sdi6R)

173 Why do I feel Mueller will slap cuffs on Manafort and let the snakes in the DNC slither away? Could it be because Mueller is a shill?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 28, 2017 04:02 PM (PY9jH)

174 OT, but how did Battle Hymn of The Republic become Georgia's fight song?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 28, 2017 03:45 PM (gC2IV)

They wanted to use music of a winner?

*runs*

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at October 28, 2017 04:03 PM (cAnNx)

175 rickl, yuge, yuge hugs and prayers for you. You be strong, and take strength from the fact that a bunch of morons are praying for you.

"Morons," okay???

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 28, 2017 04:03 PM (PY9jH)

176 >>>So, no, they don't know, specifically, who paid for the dossier.

Posted by: blaster at October 28, 2017 03:45 PM (jHrzU)

But surely a legalistic someone like Trey Gowdy could put that back on track. Something like: what account contained less money as a result of Fusion GPS being paid? You could keep narrowing it down until you got somewhere.

Posted by: m at October 28, 2017 04:05 PM (1Xpas)

177 Thank you, Jane, and everyone else.

I didn't want to hijack a current thread, but I have a number of comments on the Below the Gardening Thread.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2017 04:06 PM (sdi6R)

178 Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2017 04:06 PM (sdi6R)

Dude I'm sorry and I wish you the best most productive life you can have. Make the most of it.

Posted by: ryukyu at October 28, 2017 04:08 PM (12Vsr)

179 175 Why do I feel Mueller will slap cuffs on Manafort and let the snakes in the DNC slither away? Could it be because Mueller is a shill?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 28, 2017 04:02 PM (PY9jH)

Mueller's balls deep in the corruption, or at least the coverup. I hold little hope for actual justice in this situation.

Posted by: Insomniac - Just a Poor Boy, Nobody Loves Me at October 28, 2017 04:08 PM (QkCBY)

180 114 Informant's attorney (Victoria Toensing) said it was Loretta Lynch.

That's what I thought, too, but yesterday there was a cite from a clip, also from Toensing, in which she is quoted as saying, "...Rosenstein said he would ruin my life...." (or something close to that.) That made me think she would not be so specific unless they possibly had a tape of the conversation or she was there and heard it. Which leads me to another question: the legality of threatening the informant?

Posted by: Ever at October 28, 2017 04:13 PM (QZdJj)

181 Thank you, Jane, and everyone else.

I didn't want to hijack a current thread, but I have a number of comments on the Below the Gardening Thread.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2017 04:06 PM (sdi6R)

Going there now to check them out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 28, 2017 04:14 PM (PY9jH)

182 Which leads me to another question: the legality of threatening the informant?
Posted by: Ever at October 28, 2017 04:13 PM
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Yeah, she also said in all her years she had never seen a NDA that included criminal charges. And she said they told him his "livelihood and liberty would be at risk." Ba$tards.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 28, 2017 04:17 PM (HiDrR)

183 179 Thank you, Jane, and everyone else.

I didn't want to hijack a current thread, but I have a number of comments on the Below the Gardening Thread.
Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2017 04:06 PM (sdi6R)

Prayers for you buddy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Just a Poor Boy, Nobody Loves Me at October 28, 2017 04:18 PM (QkCBY)

184 Can you imagine CNN's headlines if Trump's foundation took millions in Russian money so a Russian company could get the go ahead to buy a uranium company? CNN boxed it's idiot self in a corner, they come across as corrupted and tainted and on board with a corrupt Clinton machine.

Posted by: Rose at October 28, 2017 04:18 PM (30UCB)

185 I have my Clinton Body Count Compendium on an old hard drive around here somewhere. I'll put an update for it on my to-do list, which is on an old hard drive around...here...somewhere...

Note to friends and family of those on the list: I understand perfectly that it is not a joke.

Posted by: ro-man at October 28, 2017 04:19 PM (RuIsu)

186 In typical fashion, the media has been focusing on Manafort and Flynn while either not mentioning or burying deep in articles that Mueller has been looking just as hard at groups like the Podesta brothers consulting group and a little mentioned but very important company called Mercury LLC.

Mercury has some very interesting employees with very deep tied to both the Hillary when she was at State, to the CGI, to Bill Clinton, to Samantha Powers and Susan Rice.

Mercury was being paid directly by the European Center for a Modern Ukraine which was a front for the former PM of Ukraine and Putin.

One woman, Caitlin Klevorick, was exposed in the wikileaks email dumps as helping funnel deals in Haiti with State Dept money to CGI connected "Friend of Bill".

There is so much obvious collusion here it is incredible.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 28, 2017 04:20 PM (/tuJf)

187 It was apparent that Mueller was never concerned w anything but destroying Trump when Fusion GPS has never been mentioned as a target, even after supposedly speaking w Steele in Britain.

Posted by: Ever at October 28, 2017 04:21 PM (QZdJj)

188 78 73
Something I don't understand. If you're doing nasty things with the Russians prior to the election, why then would you start screaming Russia! Russia! in order to try and bring down Trump? Why point them in the direction of your own misdeeds? That's the last place I'd want to call attention to.

____________________________________

The independent counsel's team is made up Clinton hacks...they expected to control the narrative with pinpoint accuracy. What they didn't expect is someone taking the gag order off a witness...or even the fact that they don't completely control all media like they used to. There will always be a counter culture voice thanks to Mr. Internet. And with the internet comes showboating jack asses who can't help but try and show everyone how important they are by releasing information that is best kept private.

Finally, they still haven't figured out how to deal with a president who doesn't turn the other cheek. He pushes each accusation just a little further...and soon, the idiot MSM types go for broke and totally destroy their own positions.

Posted by: Orson at October 28, 2017 04:43 PM (hhe7W)

189 185,
"I have my Clinton Body Count Compendium on an old hard drive around here
somewhere. I'll put an update for it on my to-do list, which is on an
old hard drive around...here...somewhere...

Note to friends and family of those on the list: I understand perfectly that it is not a joke."

Is that the "Alamo-girl" pages from back in the late 90s?

Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 04:50 PM (zOpu5)

190 167 Oh,just saw on the ESPN crawl that the Houston Texans players are holding a meeting today to decide what kind of demonstration they are going to have because of their outrage over the "inmates running the prison" quote.Please,sit out the game you dumb fucks.Please.

I blame Duane Brown. Wish he had stayed on the West Coast with his looney wife.
Now let's see, what can I get offended about today?/

Posted by: jazzuscounty at October 28, 2017 04:52 PM (EKL/u)

191 If I didn't know any better I'd swear the Democrats can get away with anything.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 28, 2017 04:56 PM (7BD9b)

192 Byron York tweeted a little while ago that the House Intel Committee has made an agreement with Fusion to get Fusion's bank records for the investigation.

This could be very interesting.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 28, 2017 04:57 PM (/tuJf)

193 Jack the documents will be sealed and not for public consumption. So once again the politicians hide the evidence from we the people.

Posted by: Rose at October 28, 2017 04:59 PM (30UCB)

194 >>Jack the documents will be sealed and not for public consumption. So once again the politicians hide the evidence from we the people.

I bet something leaks. Something always leaks in DC.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 28, 2017 05:00 PM (/tuJf)

195 Actually the expression is "inmates running the asylum" which in many ways is more correct. The players are nuts.

Posted by: rammajamma at October 28, 2017 05:01 PM (UH7fg)

196 I suspect that Mueller will do what his old buddy Comey did-- lie, cheat, and steal to protect the Establishment and invent new reasons to destroy the Outsiders.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 28, 2017 05:04 PM (oVJmc)

197 ###Is that the "Alamo-girl" pages from back in the late 90s?

No, not that I am aware. Back in the old slow internet days I would download or copy/paste lots and lots of stuff for future reference. Text files, PDF's, etc. by the hundreds.
Politics, science, aviation, lots of undigested info. I watched Napster die before my very eyes as files were removed.
I have/had Arkansas connections, some in Hot Springs, so I have always kept an eye on WJC and Hill the Thrill. Fun stuff.

Posted by: Burger Chef at October 28, 2017 05:05 PM (RuIsu)

198 As this mess unfolds over the next few months, the one thing we can be certain of is, the GOP will betray us.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 28, 2017 05:09 PM (mcI77)

199 @realDonaldTrump 6m

After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other Agencies, I will be releasing ALL #JFKFiles other than the names and...

...addresses of any mentioned person who is still living. I am doing this for reasons of full disclosure, transparency and...

...in order to put any and all conspiracy theories to rest.

Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 05:13 PM (Enq6K)

200 btw, Jeff Sessions, when asked by Bret Baier if the White House had instructed him to release the gag order, dissembled. He would only say "I have not talked with Him/them about it."

Posted by: JAS at October 28, 2017 05:18 PM (Oj1RP)

201 199 @realDonaldTrump 6m

After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other Agencies, I will be releasing ALL #JFKFiles other than the names and...

...addresses of any mentioned person who is still living. I am doing this for reasons of full disclosure, transparency and...

...in order to put any and all conspiracy theories to rest.

Posted by: Tami at October 28, 2017 05:13 PM (Enq6K)

Um, President Trump. Mr. Two Scoops. Donnie. Look, you're great and all and this is definitely good to release all this stuff. But its not going to end the conspiracy theories. They won't believe that the information released is real and that there isn't the "real truth" hidden somewhere out there. Unless the information includes the evidence that JFK was actually Zatar an alien criminal from Andromeda and Lee Harvey is an intergalactic bounty hunter that saved us all from his nefarious plans, they aren't going to drop it.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at October 28, 2017 05:31 PM (cAnNx)

202 Fox says Yuli Gurriel will be suspended for five games because he made a racist gesture last night.
The LA Times says "television cameras caught him making a gesture and mouthing a word with racial overtones". It will begin next year, whew.

What did they do, replay the replay until they could find something? I watched a lot and heard no mention of it. Somebody wanted him out of the playoffs.

Posted by: gNewt at October 28, 2017 05:31 PM (cNJvW)

203 197 ###Is that the "Alamo-girl" pages from back in the late 90s?

No, not that I am aware. Back in the old slow internet days I would download or copy/paste lots and lots of stuff for future reference. Text files, PDF's, etc. by the hundreds.
Politics, science, aviation, lots of undigested info. I watched Napster die before my very eyes as files were removed.

You should look for the alamogirl file. That was pretty comprehensive, IIRC.
I have/had Arkansas connections, some in Hot Springs, so I have always kept an eye on WJC and Hill the Thrill. Fun stuff.
Posted by: Burger Chef at October 28, 2017 05:05 PM (RuIsu)

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 28, 2017 05:35 PM (UnMRd)

204 Prayers for you, Rickl

Posted by: Formna buachaill at October 28, 2017 05:51 PM (blPpW)

205 Alamo girl site

http://alamo-girl.com/

This was compiled back in the late 90s to the early oughts from news articles put up at the old Free Republic site. Back then I logged into that page every morning. On 9/11/01 that was where I first heard that a plane had crashed into the WTC.

People would post breaking news there along with news pieces which were discussed/torn apart in comments. This was pretty much before blogs became a thing and it was like blogs-Twitter-Drudge-and Usenet all in one.

One commenter on there was the first to point out that the Bush-National Guard papers had to have been made on Microsoft Word which of course didn't exist back when Bush was in the Guard.

Posted by: geoffb at October 28, 2017 06:40 PM (zOpu5)

206 grr , jumping around from thread to thread trying to catch rickl.

prayers for healing, you are loved by me and many more. will pray every day for you to have the best and wisest oncologists and the best medicine readily and quickly available.

Posted by: willow at October 28, 2017 07:35 PM (FKrah)

207 In Interviews With Congress, John Podesta and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz Denied Knowing Who Paid for the Dossier

Washington politicians have always promised "This program will pay for itself".

They finally found one: the Trump Wiretap Dossier paid for itself!

Posted by: J. Comey, Vice-President in charge of Russian Acquisitions, Nat. Assoc. of Evidence Manufacturers at October 28, 2017 07:51 PM (Ndje9)

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