Trump's DOJ Reaches Money Settlement With Tea Party Groups Illegally Targeted by Obama's IRS

Tell me again how we'd "win by losing" with Hillary Clinton in power.

Yes I know, the people who keep changing their principles (now defending the media, for example) say "MuhPrinciples."

Do actual people matter too, or just your shifting principles?

JUST IN: Justice Dept. settles with groups improperly targeted by IRS: “There is no excuse for this conduct.” pic.twitter.com/9bSGp80kxz
— ABC News (@ABC) October 26, 2017

Posted by: Ace at 06:52 PM

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1 Heh.

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 06:52 PM (14URa)

2 Roomy.

Posted by: garrett at October 26, 2017 06:53 PM (X0CGV)

3 About time we got something from Sessions.

Posted by: Latemarch at October 26, 2017 06:54 PM (a36X1)

4 They should have made some sort of settlement that was in perpetuity and matched it to Planned Parenthood's funding.

Posted by: Maritime at October 26, 2017 06:54 PM (lKmt3)

5 Top ten baby!

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM and CenTexMoMee survivor at October 26, 2017 06:54 PM (D2vc1)

6 What is he saving for the election day anniversary? He has to commemorate that day with a bang!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 06:54 PM (BoMuO)

7 And not one will get fired or charged with any crime.

Posted by: RobinKaty at October 26, 2017 06:54 PM (STGjR)

8 Top 8!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 06:55 PM (BoMuO)

9 Those Lower Level Staffers in Cincinatti really boned us.

Posted by: garrett at October 26, 2017 06:55 PM (X0CGV)

10 I'd be really happy to see people stop slamming on Sessions. He was a freakin' Godsend during the lead-up to the election and I refuse to think ill of him just because he couldn't drain the entire swamp in the first five seconds. It'll happen. Takes a little time.

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 06:55 PM (14URa)

11 I hate Jeff Sessions.

Aaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh!

*fart*

Posted by: pol hates everybody at October 26, 2017 06:56 PM (s7y11)

12
*flicks tongue*
*lizard stare*
*counts fat government pension*

Posted by: John Koskinen at October 26, 2017 06:57 PM (wpC7C)

13 hurray ... of course it still affected the election, and Lerner should be in a dungeon for not just the IRS tortures, but her FEC days that helped Durbin the Turbin ... but hopefully this helps those groups that were defrauded of their right to group together and fight Obama.

And it is a moral victory ... hope they got enough cash to cover all legal costs (remember True the Vote awesome woman?) and still have enough for a couple kegs.

Posted by: Illiniwek at October 26, 2017 06:57 PM (/aIFg)

14 No, to Our Betters, ordinary productive people only matter insofar as their substance can be eaten out.

They would have "won by losing", us, not so much.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 26, 2017 06:57 PM (8/cWV)

15 I'm trying to watch Bret Baier, but the incredibly dim AP Hill and the terribly conflicted whatshisname from Wisconsin are so very annoying.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 26, 2017 06:57 PM (ylUqT)

16 Will we ever be graced with a live movie blogging of 50 Shades Darker? because the original was an epic blog post

Posted by: pol hates everybody at October 26, 2017 06:57 PM (s7y11)

17 If they paid over $20 K for the pee-pee dossier, and aren't wearing orange soon, I'll await Dinesh D'Souza's next documentary YOU FUCKING FASCIST LYING PILES OF REALPOLITIK SHIT!!

Posted by: Axeman at October 26, 2017 06:58 PM (2mC6G)

18 Where is the Lois Lerner now? Freeze her personal assets, and seize everything she has of value, including her clothing, to help pay the settlements.

Posted by: Loaf of Cheese at October 26, 2017 06:59 PM (TAehy)

19 Winning status:
( ) Tired of winning
(X) Not yet tired of winning

Trump hasn't been perfect, but the alternative was Hillary Clinton. So I really don't get the "never-Trumpers".

Posted by: mr_jack at October 26, 2017 06:59 PM (M59SC)

20 Hey here's some money . Now go away.

Guys you can come out now. They're gone.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 06:59 PM (2DOZq)

21 10 I'd be really happy to see people stop slamming on Sessions. He was a freakin' Godsend during the lead-up to the election and I refuse to think ill of him just because he couldn't drain the entire swamp in the first five seconds. It'll happen. Takes a little time.
Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 06:55 PM (14URa)

I totally agree.

Posted by: jwb7605 at October 26, 2017 06:59 PM (DofIg)

22 Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 06:55 PM (14URa)

Thanks; You and Jack Straw seem to be twoof the few ones ones giving him the benefit of the doubt-aside from people who don't say anything about it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (iVOAv)

23 Where is the Lois Lerner now? Freeze her personal assets, and seize everything she has of value, including her clothing, to help pay the settlements.
Posted by: Loaf of Cheese at October 26, 2017 06:59 PM (TAehy)
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And definitely require her to fill out the IRS forms on everybody she's met at a party and her dreams.

Posted by: Axeman at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (2mC6G)

24 The Deep State bureaucrats don't care. It isn't their money.

Take the settlement money from the person who did the deed, including draining their pension account, and then they would care.

This is just go away and shut up money from the fed.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (4XCge)

25 18 Where is the Lois Lerner now? Freeze her personal assets, and seize everything she has of value, including her clothing, to help pay the settlements.
Posted by: Loaf of Cheese at October 26, 2017 06:59 PM (TAehy)

Do not - I say again, do NOT - seize her clothing.

Thanks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (YqDXo)

26 How do like dem' apples? Or...wait, is that a banana?

Posted by: Orson at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (674tf)

27 Or do they just read twitter a lot to soak up trends, and last month had a brainstorming conference and said "hey! Why don't we introduce a sitcom about Muslim super heroes?"

We are at point A, islamification is point B. Baby steps. They tried shaming us into acceptance, now it is time for normalization.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (BoMuO)

28 But Trump TWEETS! OMG!!!

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (jHrzU)

29 I'll await Dinesh D'Souza's next documentary YOU FUCKING FASCIST LYING PILES OF REALPOLITIK SHIT!!
Posted by: Axeman at October 26, 2017 06:58 PM (2mC6G)

That's Savage D'Souza as he was known in the clink.

Posted by: pol hates everybody at October 26, 2017 07:01 PM (s7y11)

30 Now I want DOJ to prosecute John Chisholm and every police officer that invaded Tea Party homes during the Wisconsin political raids.

Time to right America's shame by putting the Milwaukee Gestapo in prison, including those that were "just following orders".

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at October 26, 2017 07:01 PM (pdTBn)

31 Well good. Still it's cold comfort after having been raked over the coals and spent sleepless nights wondering what else they would/could do to those targetted.

They at a minimum surpressed their free speech and someone at the top in the IRS should be fired "Pour encourager les autres"

Hanging from the yard arm of the nearest USN vessel would be in order. IMO.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:02 PM (Li/V9)

32 Okay I'll be the cynic. The Justice Department is supposed to prosecute the bad guys. Not just give money to the good guys.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:02 PM (2DOZq)

33 As I posted before, We are fucking paying these settlements. Not that I think they are wrong but fuck the IRS and I'd hang koskinen's ball on my Christmas tree

Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2017 07:02 PM (ZB2zL)

34 What I can't figure out is why the leftists are so enamored with Muzzies. Is it just for the sake of opposition? Conservative rubes hat muzzies, therefore we love them and must Islamify the country? Or is there some other way that Islam benefits a leftist?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:02 PM (BoMuO)

35 I say the only settlement is to tazer their dogs instead of shooting them
its a cop thing

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 26, 2017 07:03 PM (RgmpP)

36 Nobody in DC ever pays a price for breaking the law. They are all in it together. DNC and GOPe. Drain the swamp.

Posted by: Izapole at October 26, 2017 07:03 PM (3/f2v)

37 About time we got something from Sessions.
Posted by: Latemarch

Pfffft. I want bodies doing prison time.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 26, 2017 07:03 PM (rvtDF)

38 Woohoo!

Posted by: SFGoth at October 26, 2017 07:03 PM (dZ756)

39 Thanks; You and Jack Straw seem to be twoof the few ones ones giving him the benefit of the doubt-aside from people who don't say anything about it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (iVOAv)

Count me in, too. I don't expect miracles, and we don't know what he is/isn't doing. I'm willing to give him another year.

Executives taking over a company are traditionally given a year before any problems are laid at their door, but Sessions probably has a whole staff riddled with treason, and various reasons - civil service rules, politics - why he can't just fire them all outright.

Moreover, I understand conducting investigations and prosecutions takes time. Sometimes, a LOT of time.

So I give him an extra year to start showing results.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:04 PM (YqDXo)

40 Posted by: Malcolm Tent at October 26, 2017 07:01 PM (pdTBn)

OH yeah. And a bunch of other activist DA around the country using unlawful actions to suppress peoples rights and falsely imprison them or steal their stuff.

But that will take a DOJ investigation. Not something that Sessions could just order happen. Regrettably.

If they were US Attorneys then Trump could just fire them and some of them should be.

Starting with all the ones in sanctuary cities and all Liberal cities.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:04 PM (Li/V9)

41 Trump hasn't been perfect, but the alternative was Hillary Clinton. So I really don't get the "never-Trumpers".

But my dear sir, he's just so...uncouth! He could never fit in at a Davos panel! Harrumph!

Posted by: J. Nordlinger at October 26, 2017 07:05 PM (7Vd4O)

42 Or is there some other way that Islam benefits a leftist?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:02 PM (BoMuO)

They're a cat's paw for the Reds, a way of destabilizing society.

Think the Shah's Iran: the Reds and the Muzzies each thought that they were using the other to bring the Shah.

Turns out the Muzzies picked up all the pieces, then shot the Reds.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:05 PM (YqDXo)

43 Ask Goldberg or Shapiro

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at October 26, 2017 07:05 PM (NHYp2)

44 Any gop fucker that said Hillary is the better/more manageable candidate can go fuck themselves with barbwire. They are the least reliable pundits I can think of. We literally have a Pres that is doing what all those fuckers/superpacs raised money on and they are afraid that cash cow is going to pasture.

Posted by: ryukyu at October 26, 2017 07:05 PM (12Vsr)

45 as a lifelong conservative republican I am concerned that the trump organization is giving all this tax payers money to group that support him
I'm concerned to the point that maybe DOJ should hold an investigation

before the trolls show up

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 26, 2017 07:06 PM (RgmpP)

46
Sessions didn't help himself with the instant recusal as soon as democrats fired the first salvo

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 26, 2017 07:06 PM (lKyWE)

47 The only way to pay for these settlements is eliminating the state and local tax deductions for those who itemize deductions.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 26, 2017 07:06 PM (IWbvi)

48 We'll see if this can pass by the Judge-President in Hawaii.

Posted by: Axeman at October 26, 2017 07:07 PM (2mC6G)

49 In Britain the thought police are in full stupid mode.

Guy who blogs and reports on Muzzie shit got arrested by the Brits for hate crimes for reporting what the muzzies were doing.

Coming to a city near you if we don't get the liberal enclaves knocked back here in the US.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:07 PM (Li/V9)

50
Malcolm with a good point @30 - can't DOJ bring some civil rights actions against the WI Gestapo?

And since someone brought up the topic, your odd Gestapo factoid du jour: most Gestapo officers were former policemen, were not committed Nazis or even party members in most cases, and almost entirely depended on private citizen snitches and denunciations for their work against Germans - they were a skeleton outfit, understaffed, and since they actually did thorough investigations of most cases, had little time.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:07 PM (QDnY+)

51 Peaches, this will help with your cold issues, and best news on sale for 12 dollars.
http://tinyurl.com/y9kvy4dy

And from a former resident of the Golden state, and a current Hoosier, welcome to Indiana

Posted by: Edd Zachary at October 26, 2017 07:07 PM (CLF41)

52 Posted by: navycopjoe at October 26, 2017 07:06 PM (RgmpP)

Hide Yo Dogs!

Posted by: garrett at October 26, 2017 07:07 PM (X0CGV)

53 Now I want DOJ to prosecute John Chisholm and every police officer that
invaded Tea Party homes during the Wisconsin political raids.
=======================

Amen. I don't know if that would fall under federal jurisdiction, but those people need to be behind bars. They are feral dogs.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 26, 2017 07:07 PM (lwiT4)

54 Massive firings and/or convictions within that agency should follow.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (Opo9B)

55 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:04 PM (YqDXo)

He lost most of my respect when he recused himself from anything that has the word Russia or Russian in it.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (2DOZq)

56 32
Okay I'll be the cynic. The Justice Department is supposed to prosecute the bad guys. Not just give money to the good guys.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:02 PM (2DOZq)
I'm gonna up-cynic you and say that I don't see any good coming from endless prosecutions and lawyer bs. I'm good with them being publicly shamed and moving forward from their shit bullshit. Isn't that really the direction we elected Trump to take us?

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (14URa)

57 So, no jail for Lois?

Posted by: wth at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (HgMAr)

58 for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my party. This is like what the left does with consent decrees, eh?

Trump just ended the IRS controversy by saying "yes, you did". What would be cool cool is if some of these billion dollar settlements from DOJ are used to give big tea party a few dozen billion to work with. Just like the leftist-used-tobe-perma-state did with ACORN etc etc.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (RDd1I)

59 "Do actual people matter too, or just your shifting principles?"

Of course people matter, dear boy. You simply fail to understand that mundanes like you are *insects*. Only persons of quality are *people*. Now be a good serf, stop forgetting your place, and go pay your taxes.

Posted by: Your Betters at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (rznWS)

60
OT: Per what ace said in the thread below,I fear many should curb their enthusiasm when it comes to the "FBI informant" on U-1. Not because he's a fake, or a flake, or a problem in himself. But it seems - seems - unlikely an informant at the operational level, who was working with some Russians who already pleaded guilty, will have direct, explosive info on principals, like Her Thighness. We will see, of course.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (QDnY+)

61 I don't want a settlement, I want Koskinen and Lerner's head!

Posted by: Advo at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (By5RL)

62 I'm sure that goolag targeted ads are only showing a select few that Cathy Murillo is running for mayor of Santa Barbara.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUt let me tell those that are seeing that ad. I spoke with this seriously mentally retarded person when she ran for city council in my district. She is mentally retarded. I'm not joking. This woman is just shy of 80IQ points but she will win because the machine donk party is behind her, voter fraud, illegal alien voting, and we are moonbat central.

Hey but the weather is nice and I'm so embedded in real estate I can't leave.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (3BFzK)

63 Maybe Sessions' zzz factor is a ploy to let the bad guys' guard down.

Posted by: m at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (1Xpas)

64 as a lifelong conservative republican

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 26, 2017 07:06 PM (RgmpP)
======================

Ya??

Posted by: grammie winger at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (lwiT4)

65 jail for lois would be nice. Of course, there's one thing the donks never figured on...you can't pardon everyone. Surely there's at least one intern whose instagram we don't like we can send to jail now, even if lois is off the hook.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (RDd1I)

66 Do not - I say again, do NOT - seize her clothing.
Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM

Dude. You KNOW there's at least one Moron who rates her a One on The ScoggDog Scale.

If they admit it, it would only be on the ONT, much like the admission that occurred on last night's, but they exist and are among us.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (ieKtE)

67 We'll see if this can pass by the Judge-President in Hawaii.

Posted by: Axeman

That well has been visited once too often.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (Opo9B)

68 Giving away taxpayer money is easy for the government. Putting government employees in prison, not so much.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at October 26, 2017 07:10 PM (wpJDK)

69 #14: "ordinary productive people only matter insofar as their substance can be eaten out."

Eaten out, you say?

Posted by: Hillary, Huma, Rosie, and Ellen at October 26, 2017 07:10 PM (rznWS)

70 64 well not really
but saying as a life long Chicago democrat kind of throws the concern thing off

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 26, 2017 07:11 PM (RgmpP)

71 The GOPe hates the Tea Party more than they hate Democrats.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at October 26, 2017 07:11 PM (5fSr7)

72 Ah shit my Amy Schumer sock was a fail after a couple of rum and cokes.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 26, 2017 07:11 PM (3BFzK)

73 OH yeah. And a bunch of other activist DA around the country using unlawful actions to suppress peoples rights and falsely imprison them or steal their stuff.

But that will take a DOJ investigation. Not something that Sessions could just order happen. Regrettably.

Mississippi just emailed me to note that it certainly smells like a civil rights violation under the color of authority.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 26, 2017 07:11 PM (60v4h)

74 At the very least, Lerner should have her pension garnished to pay for this. Where's the strong deterrent for any IRS bully to never doing this again?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at October 26, 2017 07:11 PM (mQ0Mc)

75
Peaches, I'd say no, not at all.

The IRS targeting scandal, up to that point, was arguably the greatest scandal in American history - the weaponization of the famously most powerful domestic agency against political enemies. Systematically. Nothing comparable I can think of. (I say "up to that point" thanks to the U-1 and Espionage Act and Federal Records Act and now politicized intel agency scandals .....)

Anything short of prosecutions and firings is, in fact, a problem for the future.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:12 PM (QDnY+)

76 But it seems - seems - unlikely an informant at the operational level, who was working with some Russians who already pleaded guilty, will have direct, explosive info on principals, like Her Thighness. We will see, of course.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (QDnY+)

Victoria Toensing said on the radio this am that the informant was told that his information was being briefed directly to President Obama.

That won't go anywhere in court. It would be hearsay, FBI will deny anyone said it.

But it would be dynamite as a soundbite during a hearing.

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2017 07:12 PM (jHrzU)

77 Now, for IRS agents who did this, they need to be prosecuted for deprivation of civil rights under color of law.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 26, 2017 07:12 PM (IWbvi)

78 "The GOPe hates the Tea Party more than they hate Democrats.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at October 26, 2017 07:11 PM (5fSr7)"
-------------------
THIS

Also explains the Trump HATE.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 26, 2017 07:12 PM (3BFzK)

79 well Sessions in the first five seconds recused himself ... a big problem.

Jack Welch (old GE CEO) was on with Cavuto after that ... he was like "why did he recuse?" ... like, we finally get our guy in there and then our guy stands down and the deep state takes over everything ... and Mueller should never be there ... they have no crime, it is BS covering up crimes.

At best they are forced to look at things, but can still be inn cover up mode. That has delayed the draining ... Mueller/Rosenstein/McCabe are neck deep in Uranium One crap, but they will not consider refusal, and Sessions/Gowdy call them honorable.

But maybe Sessions is not "asleep" ... fine. But I am not buying that Sessions recusing under pressure from ??? Rosenstein was anything but a huge mistake, that has caused all sorts of bad things to develop. It may still be compromising the Uranium/Hillary ... everything.

We could be much further along, many more appointments ... Jay Adams? Some of the others that left ... let's see. Convictions ... we will see.

Posted by: Illiniwek at October 26, 2017 07:12 PM (/aIFg)

80 26 How do like dem' apples? Or...wait, is that a banana?

Posted by: Orson at October 26, 2017 07:00 PM (674tf)

There ... are ... FOUR ... bananas!

Posted by: Advo at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (By5RL)

81 I would like lerner's pension discontinued and have her living under a bridge where the only asswipe she has is the NYT.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (ZB2zL)

82 And from a former resident of the Golden state, and a current Hoosier, welcome to Indiana

Posted by: Edd Zachary at October 26, 2017 07:07 PM (CLF41)
Hah, you lol'd me with that one, Edd!!! I'm good and gettin' better by the day. And thank you for the warm Hoosier welcome! If you're anywhere near Greenwood, beers are on me.

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (14URa)

83 See, I told you Sessions was working on stuff. You all are too damn tough on him. Think about who you would have gotten with Prez Hillary...that's right. Think about them apples...bananas...banapples.

Meanwhile, Halo Top put out a Pumpkin Ice Cream...for those pumpkin fans. Which would not be me.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (qz18B)

84 "I'm sure that goolag targeted ads are only showing a select few that Cathy Murillo is running for mayor of Santa Barbara.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUt
let me tell those that are seeing that ad. I spoke with this seriously
mentally retarded person when she ran for city council in my district.
She is mentally retarded. I'm not joking. This woman is just shy of 80IQ
points but she will win because the machine donk party is behind her,
voter fraud, illegal alien voting, and we are moonbat central.

Hey but the weather is nice and I'm so embedded in real estate I can't leave."

------------------

fucking amy schumer!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (3BFzK)

85 Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (14URa)

No not in my opinion. If you recall, Trump was not very happy with Sessions recusing himself either.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (2DOZq)

86 #15: "the incredibly dim AP Hill"

In my defense, I've been dead for quite a while now. 152 years of anoxia to the brain will slow the ol' faculties down a bit.

Posted by: Zombie General Ambrose Powell "A.P." Hill at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (rznWS)

87 Any indictment?

Posted by: Literallyhitler at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (bY+8h)

88 >>Okay I'll be the cynic. The Justice Department is supposed to prosecute the bad guys. Not just give money to the good guys.

Well it's not going to happen in this case. The DOJ told Congress in early September that they had reviewed the case and didn't believe they could get a conviction with the evidence they had.

I don't know if this was the right decision, I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what they could prove but it's a done deal.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (/tuJf)

89 It's nice. Any word on getting our old jobs back?

Posted by: t-bird at October 26, 2017 07:14 PM (hSxPE)

90 Has Ben Sasse fired off a witty tweet about this yet? I need to know how to think.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 26, 2017 07:14 PM (a7FXx)

91 Eh, the TP groups will just use the money to fight amongst themselves and fund candidates like Orrin Hatch who come home for election time and claim to be a TEA party candidate 4-lyf.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:15 PM (BoMuO)

92
But it seems - seems - unlikely an informant at the operational level, who was working with some Russians who already pleaded guilty, will have direct, explosive info on principals, like Her Thighness. We will see, of course. Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (QDnY+)

It just needs to be enough to trigger an investigation and let the DOJ do the rest.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 26, 2017 07:15 PM (lKyWE)

93 Okay I'll be the cynic. The Justice Department is supposed to prosecute the bad guys. Not just give money to the good guys.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:02 PM (2DOZq)
I'm gonna up-cynic you and say that I don't see any good coming from endless prosecutions and lawyer bs. I'm good with them being publicly shamed and moving forward from their shit bullshit. Isn't that really the direction we elected Trump to take us?

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (14URa)

I'm gonna double up-cynic you.

Sessions agrees to give our money to these people. Big fucking deal.

Until he starts prosecuting these scum, he's not fulfilling his duties, I don't care what else is going on.

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:15 PM (E9HH5)

94 I'm glad Sessions is doing his job here and I hope my criticism of him being lackadasical is dead wrong, but the way he recused himself put Trump's Presidency into the hands of the Deep State to take him out.

If he felt he had to recuse himself, he should have simply stepped down and not taken the job.

Posted by: Maritime at October 26, 2017 07:16 PM (lKmt3)

95 I confess, I was subconsciously thinking "why can't he be as blatant as Holder and Lynch?"

Then JackStraw made a comment like, "Just because Holder and Lynch conducted their affairs so publicly doesn't mean that's the proper way to do it".

And looks like he's right. I need patience, and set expectations to more realistic timelines. And only then freak out.

Thank you sir.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 26, 2017 07:16 PM (/qEW2)

96 Imagine the scene at Donk HQ when they realized Her Thighness was going down the tubes, and all of this shit was probably going to come out. You probably couldn't find a bathroom stall free anywhere in the building.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:16 PM (YqDXo)

97
Yeah, the UK keeps getting sadder and sadder.

I was thinking - someone in Congress should initiate a discussion on making sure that British subjects would be considered for political asylum in the US. As they come from a place increasingly similar to countries from which the US has traditionally offered asylum, since WWII.

Just make sure it gets prominent play in the UK press. Microscopic chance that shame might help, on the margins.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:16 PM (QDnY+)

98
Why isn't President Trump out there selling his Huge Tax Cuts to The People?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 26, 2017 07:16 PM (TV3Gh)

99 "...today's settlement makes clear that this abuse of power will not be tolerated."

Really? I don't see any mentions of criminal indictments.

Pick up an eagle feather in your front yard -- Felony.

Attempt to block a entire segment of society from fully participating in our electoral process -- Let's hand out some checks.

Posted by: GnuBreed -- 7 Screaming FlameSkulls at October 26, 2017 07:17 PM (0ogQG)

100 f you're anywhere near Greenwood, beers are on me.

I used to live in Martinsville. Got the hell out of there.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:17 PM (BoMuO)

101 I've been Tea Party from day one. I don't want no money, don't want no apology neither. I just want to be left the eff alone by Washington City.

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2017 07:17 PM (zLDYs)

102
Now I want DOJ to prosecute John Chisholm

♫Chisholm, John Chisolm♫

Posted by: John Wayne singers at October 26, 2017 07:17 PM (IqV8l)

103 >>I got these dumbass cathedral ceilings in the "open
plan" living/kitchen. Would gladly trade it for storage but it is what
it is.

Posted by: Peaches

Do you have a ceiling fan?

Posted by: Aviator at October 26, 2017 07:17 PM (2cuLk)

104 "J'unrecruse!"

Try it out, Sessions. It's French.

Posted by: t-bird at October 26, 2017 07:18 PM (hSxPE)

105 While I have be known to brag about my Senator Sessions, I'd like to know what we are getting from him that we wouldn't be getting from any other Republican AG. One without a recusal. I love the man but I'm thinking he should have resigned.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 26, 2017 07:18 PM (60v4h)

106 About time we got something from Sessions.

Posted by: Latemarch
________

You weren't satisfied with any of those compilation albums?

Posted by: FireHorse at October 26, 2017 07:18 PM (zkGZ8)

107 Tell me now, who among you is sick and tired of all this #winning?

Non rhetorical question: How much #winning will it take before some #NeverTrump cultists finally recant? Are there any who have yet recanted and admitted we are better off than if we had been made to suffer under their preferred election outcome? Is there a single one? I don't know of any.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 26, 2017 07:18 PM (SUtNI)

108 Let's not forget Sessions doubling down on Asset Forfeiture.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:18 PM (2DOZq)

109 90 Has Ben Sasse fired off a witty tweet about this yet? I need to know how to think.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 26, 2017 07:14 PM (a7FXx)

I thought it was Chelsea who fired off the Sasse tweets?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (YqDXo)

110
today's settlement makes clear that this abuse of power will not be tolerated."

Yeah because taxpayers getting stuck with bill for IRS maleasance sends a powerful message.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (lKyWE)

111
Jeff Sessions' new name should be Wielder of Wet Noodle.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (TV3Gh)

112 Hah, you lol'd me with that one, Edd!!! I'm good and gettin' better by the day. And thank you for the warm Hoosier welcome! If you're anywhere near Greenwood, beers are on me.
Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (14URa)

10 years ago was close, lived on the south side of Indy right next to Greenwood. Now I'm 2 miles from the Ohio river on about 100 acres with all the critters, my own shooting range, and more work than I can keep up with

Posted by: Edd Zachary at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (CLF41)

113 Hey but the weather is nice and I'm so embedded in real estate I can't leave."

Why not get yourself a management company?

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (E9HH5)

114 No not in my opinion. If you recall, Trump was not very happy with Sessions recusing himself either.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:13 PM (2DOZq)
Well, you might be right, I might be crazy. But, I'm old and I came to the conclusion a long time ago that I can't walk around grinnin' like an idiot 24/7. I want us to move forward. The past is done and increasingly so. I want this country to pop like a bottle rocket on the Fourth of July and I trust completely that Trump can make that happen.

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:20 PM (14URa)

115 Pfffft. I want bodies doing prison time.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 26, 2017 07:03 PM (rvtDF)

Massive firings and/or convictions within that agency should follow.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (Opo9B)

So, no jail for Lois?

Posted by: wth at October 26, 2017 07:08 PM (HgMAr)

I don't want a settlement, I want Koskinen and Lerner's head!

Posted by: Advo at October 26, 2017 07:09 PM (By5RL)
............

And that's only up to comment 61. Seems to be a theme here but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Posted by: wth at October 26, 2017 07:21 PM (HgMAr)

116 105 While I have be known to brag about my Senator Sessions, I'd like to know what we are getting from him that we wouldn't be getting from any other Republican AG. One without a recusal. I love the man but I'm thinking he should have resigned.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 26, 2017 07:18 PM (60v4h)

That's my feeling , though he was not my Senator. He's not the guy I always pointed to in the past as an example of what a politician should be.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:21 PM (2DOZq)

117
Can someone make a montage of all the Alt-Left Democrats who said "Where there's smoke, there's fire" regarding Russia and Donald Trump?

There was about 2 weeks worth of this meme in Fake News.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 26, 2017 07:21 PM (TV3Gh)

118 Dying to hear what David Muir of ABC News leads off with, in nine minutes.

We've got this, we've got dossier, we've got Obama's DOJ with its nuts in a vise, and I'll bet tonight's news will be about squirrels.

Four seconds. That's about what this will get, and then we'll hear everything about squirrels for twenty-nine plus minutes.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 26, 2017 07:21 PM (U6f54)

119 half a win is better than President Hillary.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:21 PM (ILitO)

120 Hillary is probably pissed. Same with Obama. Another good day.

Posted by: Dang at October 26, 2017 07:21 PM (4DEYP)

121 Now I'm 2 miles from the Ohio river on about 100
acres with all the critters, my own shooting range, and more work than I
can keep up with

Posted by: Edd Zachary at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (CLF41)
Dang . . . what time is dinner? :-) I love it here. Feels like I'm livin' in God's back yard. Find myself heading south for shopping and stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if I die without ever having seen Indy proper.

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:22 PM (14URa)

122 Non rhetorical question: How much #winning will it take before some #NeverTrump cultists finally recant? Are there any who have yet recanted and admitted we are better off than if we had been made to suffer under their preferred election outcome? Is there a single one? I don't know of any.
Posted by: Texas Zombie

__________

Few if any.

Most of this is personal for them, it's not about actual public policy. Being wrong is a very big deal to them, also what their "friends" think at dinner parties. Also, they are on the outside looking in and want to get back to running things.

I can understand not digging Trump's personality, it sometimes bugs me too, but any doubt about Trump from the supposed conservative holdouts should have been dropped as soon as he nominated Gorsuch for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Maritime at October 26, 2017 07:22 PM (lKmt3)

123 Hey but the weather is nice and I'm so embedded in real estate I can't leave."

That's what the FBI informant is going to be saying in a few days. Gee, fellas, I'd love to come and testify, but I seem to be embedded in Realestate.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:22 PM (BoMuO)

124 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:04 PM (YqDXo)

Good to know because I find the "zzzzzzzz" Sessions posters a bit of bore. They should go to law school, be in Congress for years, get appointed Attorney General and then report back to us. The problem is that the media doesn't report on the things that Sessions is doing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:23 PM (iVOAv)

125 100% off topic but our kitchen has track lighting, small bulbs in small fixtures. My fat fingers really don't fit to unscrew the bulb or screw the new one in (feel free to say phrasing). It's a real pain. I've had bulbs break in my hands.

Posted by: David Brooks at October 26, 2017 07:23 PM (nBr1j)

126 @27: "We are at point A, islamification is point B. Baby steps. They tried
shaming us into acceptance, now it is time for normalization."

Forgot who originally said it - Mark Steyn, maybe - but Western politicians *are* moderate Islam.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (rznWS)

127 The way I read it was that all they got was an apology and, oh, by the way, pay your own court costs. Great win!

Posted by: Timothy at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (guwAs)

128 Dang . . . what time is dinner? :-) I love it here. Feels like I'm livin' in God's back yard. Find myself heading south for shopping and stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if I die without ever having seen Indy proper.

Really? I always thought Indy was a great little city.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (BoMuO)

129
The de facto judicial investigative body of the US - Judicial Watch - has found among the documents it forced DOJ to disgorge under a FOIA lawsuit an email "smoking gun" (their words) on the IRS targeting matter.

Dunno if DOJ included this in their review of whether they had a good case to prosecute.

But if DOJ stands by its decision to not prosecute, just sit back and think about that - the IRS was caught, red-handed, blatantly abusing its powers for political purposes - yet it's simply not possible to prosecute anybody. Even though the perps were (like all the perps in both the Clinton and Obama eras of criminality) clumsy, obvious, inept, and begging to be prosecuted. Line officials taking the Fifth, before congressional committees (precedent in our history - not aware of any)! Lerner herself, *documented* to have asked her IT guys which internal comms channels would not be archived.

Draw the appropriate - and enduring - conclusions about rule of law in the US.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (QDnY+)

130 100% off topic but our kitchen has track lighting, small bulbs in small fixtures. My fat fingers really don't fit to unscrew the bulb or screw the new one in (feel free to say phrasing). It's a real pain. I've had bulbs break in my hands.
Posted by: David Brooks

____________

Some of those halogens bulbs don't "screw" in, they just pull out with tensioned connectors.

At least that's how mine works.

Posted by: Maritime at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (lKmt3)

131 re 117: I was saying months ago that the story was

Do you smell smoke?
no, I don't smell any smoke
...
are you sure you don't smell smoke?
no, I don't smell any smoke
...
Dems: are you sure you don't smell any smoke?
GOPe: no, I don't smell any smoke... but I guess we need a special prosecutor to investigate if ther's any smoke.
.
.
.
and now...
Dems: THERE'S NO SMOKE!!

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:25 PM (ILitO)

132 00% off topic but our kitchen has track lighting, small bulbs in small fixtures. My fat fingers really don't fit to unscrew the bulb or screw the new one in (feel free to say phrasing). It's a real pain. I've had bulbs break in my hands.

have you tried shaped charges?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:25 PM (BoMuO)

133 122 Non rhetorical question: How much #winning will it take before some #NeverTrump cultists finally recant? Are there any who have yet recanted and admitted we are better off than if we had been made to suffer under their preferred election outcome? Is there a single one? I don't know of any.
Posted by: Texas Zombie

__________

Few if any.

Most of this is personal for them, it's not about actual public policy. Being wrong is a very big deal to them, also what their "friends" think at dinner parties. Also, they are on the outside looking in and want to get back to running things.

I can understand not digging Trump's personality, it sometimes bugs me too, but any doubt about Trump from the supposed conservative holdouts should have been dropped as soon as he nominated Gorsuch for the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Maritime at October 26, 2017 07:22 PM (lKmt3)

I've always kind of liked Jonah Goldberg but his constant "but Trump" bs has lost me, completely.

And sock off.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:25 PM (nBr1j)

134 The proposed settlement, which provides no monetary relief, includes an acknowledgment by the IRS that its treatment of the applicants was "wrong."

"For such treatment, the IRS expresses its sincere apology,'' the court documents state.

The deal, subject to court approval, also calls on each party to the litigation to "bear its respective fees and costs."

http://tinyurl.com/yab328pk
USA Today

++++

Ace, I think your headline is wrong. The groups got an apology, but no money, not even attorney fees.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (pvjTE)

135 Really? I always thought Indy was a great little city.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (BoMuO)
It sure sounds like it and I'm sure it is. Just a bit over-citied right now, coming from 40 years in Hell Lay. Maybe next summer. For now, I'm loving the countryside.

Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (14URa)

136 Why not get yourself a management company?
Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (E9HH5)

She could be a realtor.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (YqDXo)

137 130 100% off topic but our kitchen has track lighting, small bulbs in small fixtures. My fat fingers really don't fit to unscrew the bulb or screw the new one in (feel free to say phrasing). It's a real pain. I've had bulbs break in my hands.
Posted by: David Brooks

____________

Some of those halogens bulbs don't "screw" in, they just pull out with tensioned connectors.

At least that's how mine works.
Posted by: Maritime at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (lKmt3)

These actually aren't halogen they are incandescents.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (nBr1j)

138 so this winning tastes good, eh? I tire not of it.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (RDd1I)

139
The only way this is settled is if Lois Lerner is sent to federal prison for 10 years and the IRS is shut down completely and we go to a flat tax.

And if we have extradition to Koskinen's home world, even better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:27 PM (mbhDw)

140 138 so this winning tastes good, eh? I tire not of it.
Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (RDd1I)

It tastes like chicken.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:27 PM (nBr1j)

141 Jonah Goldberg and Steve Hayes should keep their day jobs on ancient aliens.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 26, 2017 07:27 PM (vuY5x)

142 Fake news in the Post says non-monetary settlement "in one case" with no mention of the substantial payout to the plaintiffs reported everywhere else.

http://tinyurl.com/ycr47hnl

Posted by: jdjaws at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (VHBEz)

143 19
Winning status:

( ) Tired of winning

(X) Not yet tired of winning

Trump hasn't been perfect, but the alternative was Hillary Clinton. So I really don't get the "never-Trumpers".

Posted by: mr_jack at October 26, 2017 06:59 PM (M59SC)

It's about power.

Those who are the "never-Trumpers" wanted Hillary! to win because it would keep them as the "Conservative/Opposition" voice during a Hillary! administration. They all got a lot of attention and bank from 1/2009 to 1/2017, and now they don't.

They would all cut their noses off to spite their faces.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (1JnAL)

144 I have no idea what, if anything, Sessions is doing - maybe nothing - but I will say this: if he announces tomorrow wholesale prosecutions of a bunch of Red operatives etc. we're going to need to add a bunch of recipes for crow to the HQ cookbook.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (YqDXo)

145 if Hillary had won, the groups that the IRS targeted would probably be subjected to further investigations.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (ILitO)

146 Sessions has not been ineffective, he just has very different priorities than Trump/the Horde do.

He does not want illegal immigrants in the country. You can help solve this by attacking the drug trade and jailing/deporting.

He would have been much better at Homeland Security. But he is who we have.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (a7FXx)

147 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (pvjTE)

Holy crap if that accurate my response to the IRS and DOJ is to stick that apology where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (2DOZq)

148 Consequences dictate our course of action, and it doesn't matter what's right.

It's only wrong if you get caught.

Posted by: Loaf of Cheese at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (TAehy)

149 111
Jeff Sessions' new name should be Wielder of Wet Noodle.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (TV3Gh)

"Not so easy as you think."

- - Al Dentay

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (mbhDw)

150 "Why not get yourself a management company?

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (E9HH5)"
-------------
Looked at that 17% and they don't do shit and cornholed me once. Looking at 1031 as my properties are close to being maxed out on depreciation.

Still nice weather and 200 feet from the beach.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (3BFzK)

151
Ace, I think your headline is wrong. The groups got an apology, but no money, not even attorney fees.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2017 07:26 PM (pvjTE)

wtf.

Posted by: rifraf at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (RiEBD)

152
so this winning tastes good, eh? I tire not of it.

I think you mean "Of it, I tire not".

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (LAe3v)

153 Yeah. I helped get that "apology".

Meanwhile, Lois Lerner still enjoys retirement.

Posted by: Darrell Issa at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (48QDY)

154 Really? I always thought Indy was a great little city.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:24 PM (BoMuO)

Every time I drive thru downtown, it smells like oil.

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (E9HH5)

155 145 if Hillary had won, the groups that the IRS targeted would probably be subjected to further investigations.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (ILitO)

If she had won, this site would be dark and I suspect many of us in a yearly audit hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (mbhDw)

156 @65: "
jail for lois would be nice."

Nah, yubitsume to apologize; seppuku to regain her honor (and, as Frank Pantangeli pointed out - if she whacks herself out, her family can keep her pension and all of their possessions).

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (rznWS)

157 I'm not going to check, but I am curious just how despairing they are today, at the Weekly Standard and NRO. I expect Bill Kristol is inconsolable.

Posted by: George LeS at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (+TcCF)

158 Ace, I think your headline is wrong. The groups got an apology, but no money, not even attorney fees.

1. Get bumpkis
2. ?
3. Justice!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (60v4h)

159 >About time we got something from Sessions.

This is the 3rd post in a row that we have gotten something from the DOJ.

1. The headline of the article about the smoking gun in government settlement article about the money going to liberal groups would seem like this is new news. It's not. The DOJ stopped the process in the summer.

2. The DOJ is releasing both the confidential informant and the documentation that the Obama administration hid about Uranium One to Congress.

3. Tea Party groups are being compensated by the IRS for targeting and the policies are being changed.

And this is on top of all the things that haven't made blog posts around here.

The idea that the DOJ has done nothing since Sessions was approved is dumb. I don't know how or why that got started but it isn't close to being factual.

There was no more corrupt agency under the Obama regime than the DOJ. It was going to take more than a couple months to clean that up never mind doing the actual work of the agency no matter who was put in charge. Sessions may not be a super hero but he is slowly and steadily righting the ship and doing some damn good things in the process.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (/tuJf)

160 120 Hillary is probably pissed. Same with Obama. Another good day.
Posted by: Dang at October 26, 2017 07:21 PM (4DEYP)

+++

Hillary might be. Obama, I doubt it.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (tcwn1)

161 instead of Gorsuch, think Associate Justice Loretta Lynch

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (ILitO)

162 Levin on fire tonight.

Clapper has this evening publicly (and perhaps inadvertently) acknowledged that the investigation of Trump actually preceded the dossier.

Levin now poses the questions:
*when did it begin?
*who ordered it?

Going to get interesting.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (ALDN3)

163 People with "principles" are over-rated.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (56GKt)

164 Lois Lerner doesn't even lose her pension.

Posted by: mercenary13 at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (IWY/k)

165 Posted by: jdjaws at October 26, 2017 07:28 PM (VHBEz)

So not accurate. Fake.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (2DOZq)

166 >>Really? I always thought Indy was a great little city.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

I lived there for 9 years, loved it.

Posted by: Aviator at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (2cuLk)

167 154
Every time I drive thru downtown, it smells like oil.
Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (E9HH5)

"What's that supposed to mean?"

- - Wop-dago-guinea-greaseball-goombah with a Kraut-Mick friend

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (mbhDw)

168 156 @65: "
jail for lois would be nice."

Nah, yubitsume to apologize; seppuku to regain her honor (and, as Frank Pantangeli pointed out - if she whacks herself out, her family can keep her pension and all of their possessions).
Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (rznWS)

How about a public caning? I'd recommend one for Hillary but the diaper would make it pointless.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (nBr1j)

169 Every time I drive thru downtown, it smells like oil.

I didn't say it SMELLED like a nice city. Also, are you sure it's not your car?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (BoMuO)

170 Deweaponized agencies. I like it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (/qEW2)

171 Oh this is udder fucking bullshit. Katherine Engle was subjected to untold affronts by the IRS. No, I don't like the idea of having to pay for the IRS fuckups but I don't want to pay for brad unmanning either.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2017 07:32 PM (ZB2zL)

172 "Why not get yourself a management company?

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:19 PM (E9HH5)"
-------------
Looked at that 17% and they don't do shit and cornholed me once. Looking at 1031 as my properties are close to being maxed out on depreciation.

Still nice weather and 200 feet from the beach.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (3BFzK)

17??? Damn, that's highway robbery.

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:32 PM (E9HH5)

173 Yup. Or 50 year old Sri Srinivasan. He would have been an epic disaster for the rest of most of our lives. He will likely be appointed someday, I just hope he is over 60 to minimize the damage.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 26, 2017 07:32 PM (a7FXx)

174 'I expect Bill Kristol is inconsolable.'

He's watching what is left of his career go swirling down the drain. And probably getting drunk.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 26, 2017 07:32 PM (ALDN3)

175 what we really need now is free college.

Hillary 2020!

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:33 PM (ILitO)

176
Lois Lerner. Hmm. Remember when names and addresses were published of AIG executives and Sharptone's mobs showed up to protest?

A thought.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:34 PM (mbhDw)

177 Winning it has begun.

Posted by: Yogurt at October 26, 2017 07:34 PM (IqV8l)

178 'I expect Bill Kristol is inconsolable.'

You misspelled "an effete, entitled tool".

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:34 PM (LAe3v)

179 'There is no excuse for this conduct'

And remind me again how many people have been held accountable ?

Posted by: jsg at October 26, 2017 07:34 PM (YKycC)

180 >>Every time I drive thru downtown, it smells like oil.

Posted by: Country Boy a

Quit tailgating the hooptie.

Posted by: Aviator at October 26, 2017 07:35 PM (2cuLk)

181 Every time I drive thru downtown, it smells like oil.
Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (E9HH5)

"What's that supposed to mean?"

- - Wop-dago-guinea-greaseball-goombah with a Kraut-Mick friend

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (mbhDw)

Open up a bottle of motor oil. That's what downtown Indy smells like.

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:35 PM (E9HH5)

182 The settlements involve payments to the plaintiffs. From Fox News.

Posted by: Dang at October 26, 2017 07:35 PM (4DEYP)

183 remember, the best time to investigate scandals is in the weeks before the next election.

one can only hope

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:35 PM (ILitO)

184
Equivalent of a Nazi war criminal getting a life sentence, then reduced to 20 years and being freed after 4.

I don't see how this is a win.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:35 PM (mbhDw)

185 I'm sure it's been pointed out, but who has gone to jail?

Who has been fired?

Heck, who got a "does not meet expectations" on their annual performance review?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Now in the Lost My Doctor AND My Insurance Premiums Doubled Column at October 26, 2017 07:36 PM (rjrh3)

186 Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (/tuJf)

Sorry Jack but that's what he's supposed to do. It's low hanging fruit. Going after the individual perpetrators of the crimes committed during the Obama administration is the hard stuff. And again, his recusal has resulted in a potential cover up.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 26, 2017 07:36 PM (2DOZq)

187 I didn't say it SMELLED like a nice city. Also, are you sure it's not your car?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (BoMuO)

The smell goes away when I leave Indy, whether going east or west, so I'd say no.

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:36 PM (E9HH5)

188 McCain sent a staffer to UK to pick up dossier.

Who paid for that trip?

Has anyone asked him?

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2017 07:36 PM (jHrzU)

189 From what I can tell, they got an apology.

Seems the judge will determine the settlement. Can't find any mention of $$$.

My beef, is any $$$ will be paid by US!!!

Meanwhile Lois Lerner still enjoys retirement and Koskinen still has a job.

[ ] winning

[ ] not winning

[X] TBD

Posted by: golfman at October 26, 2017 07:36 PM (48QDY)

190 Damn the consent decrees and settlements, Full convictions ahead.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:37 PM (Li/V9)

191 181 Every time I drive thru downtown, it smells like oil.
Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:29 PM (E9HH5)

"What's that supposed to mean?"

- - Wop-dago-guinea-greaseball-goombah with a Kraut-Mick friend

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (mbhDw)

Open up a bottle of motor oil. That's what downtown Indy smells like.

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:35 PM (E9HH5)

++++

Go drive through LA or SF sometime. The scent of motor oil would be a pleasant change.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2017 07:37 PM (FUu/Z)

192 They are going to pay settlements to some 400 groups. From Fox News.

Posted by: Dang at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (4DEYP)

193
Go drive through LA or SF sometime. The scent of motor oil would be a pleasant change.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2017 07:37 PM (FUu/Z)

Belt Parkway near Starrett City or Linden NJ on the Jersey Turnpike.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (mbhDw)

194 Visit some paper mill towns. The smell of motor oil would be like perfume.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (nBr1j)

195 The Tea Party I belonged to isn't getting a settlement, I don't believe, but I'd still love to curb stomp (with my small feet) the assholes who stole our professionally made signs from a big rally.

And I'd like to throat punch the two hipster gurrrls who came to a rally full of elderly veterans and their families, and young military wives and kids of deployed soldiers, and turned on a damned boom box to drown out our speakers.

No, I'm not actually violent. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (PY9jH)

196 Amazing couple of weeks.

That which was hidden shall be revealed.

Posted by: Simplemind at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (ZuGkg)

197 They should get financial compensation from Lerner's pension.

Posted by: George LeS at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (+TcCF)

198 >>I don't see how this is a win.

Depends on your definition of a win.

I'd like to see every guilty person put on trial. But I'm infinitely more interested in seeing the country return to its intended functionality. Given the choice between the two it is even close.

Lois Lerner being punished would be nice but it does exactly dick for my future or my families future and that's what I really care about.

Win.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (/tuJf)

199 Koskinen got his two weeks notice today

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (jHrzU)

200 186
Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (/tuJf)

Sorry Jack but that's what he's supposed to do. It's low hanging
fruit. Going after the individual perpetrators of the crimes committed
during the Obama administration is the hard stuff. And again, his
recusal has resulted in a potential cover up.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones

***pulls up a chair and opens a cold one***

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (LAe3v)

201 i'll never get tired of winning.....and i'll never get tired of waving the winning in the faces of the never trumpers and the left

Posted by: phoenixgirl...beat the dodgers at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (0O7c5)

202 194 Visit some paper mill towns. The smell of motor oil would be like perfume.
Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (nBr1j)

Lyrics from a forgotten Steve Forbert tune...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (mbhDw)

203 I see from the sidebar that you get the plague from dancing with the dead. Well, let me tell you, if we have to go through this again, we need a less hateful, racist name than the Black Death, maybe the Ebony Inconvenience.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (Nwg0u)

204 Go drive through LA or SF sometime. The scent of motor oil would be a pleasant change.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2017 07:37 PM (FUu/Z)

Belt Parkway near Starrett City or Linden NJ on the Jersey Turnpike.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (mbhDw)

I drove through Hershey PA once. It smelled like chocolate. Not kidding.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (T71PA)

205 #168: "How about a public caning? I'd recommend one for Hillary but the diaper would make it pointless."

Nah, insufficient pain for purification. Since she and her husband view themselves as modern Caesars, the ingestion of hot coals would suffice, however.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (rznWS)

206 The smell goes away when I leave Indy, whether going east or west, so I'd say no.
Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:36 PM (E9HH5)

This isn't the first time.

Google "indianapolis smell" And you'll get quite a few results.

Cities stink. Simple as that. Either get used to it or leave.

Only way to deal.

And the countryside stinks too. So. Nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:40 PM (Li/V9)

207 204
I drove through Hershey PA once. It smelled like chocolate. Not kidding.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (T71PA)

Not the highway, I hope...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:40 PM (mbhDw)

208 Deweaponized agencies. I like it.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 26, 2017 07:31 PM (/qEW2)

I am growing weary of the partisan back and forth. One administration looks the other way. The other is cheered for doing the other thing.

If someone ever went to jail for breaking the FUCKING law, maybe some of this would go away.

Posted by: golfman at October 26, 2017 07:40 PM (48QDY)

209
Dang, Jukin, you're on the beach in SB?

Spent quite a bit of time in SB, years back, and with the rework of 101 etc. I can hardly find my way around now. Also, yeah I'm not in business there, but the new fancy Disneyland State Street is not my cup of java (miss Joe's as it was, and Casablanca).

IllTemperedCur bailed out of that hood for TX last year, I think. CoAlex works there, lives in Santa Paula or thereabouts.

I'm still in shock that there are diamond lanes on the 101 beyond Ventura.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:40 PM (QDnY+)

210 I'd like to see every guilty person put on trial.

-
Breaking rocks in the hot sun.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (Nwg0u)

211 203 the Ebony Inconvenience.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (Nwg0u)

Isn't this really the story of Barack Obama?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (mbhDw)

212 194 Visit some paper mill towns. The smell of motor oil would be like perfume.
Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (nBr1j)

+++

I'll take motor oil smell over paper mill smell, also.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (tcwn1)

213
I drove through Hershey PA once. It smelled like chocolate. Not kidding.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (T71PA)

How about Intercourse, PA ?

Posted by: jsg at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (YKycC)

214 I'd like to see every guilty person put on trial. But I'm infinitely more interested in seeing the country return to its intended functionality.

Embrace the power of "and".

We can do both. I want bodies in jail. Hard, long time. Without that, you'll never stop the actions. If people KNOW that there are no repercussions for their actions, they won't stop.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (rvtDF)

215 Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:30 PM (/tuJf)

Well said.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (iVOAv)

216 I'd like to see every guilty person put on trial. But I'm infinitely
more interested in seeing the country return to its intended
functionality. Given the choice between the two it is even close.

Your point has merit, but the question is whether the country can ever return to its intended functionality without the guilty people paying a heavy price for what they did. If there is no real cost to the malefactors, the behavior will be repeated.

Lois Lerner needs to be publicly punished for what she did, and in an ideal world, so would Holder, Lynch and Obama.

I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (LAe3v)

217 Actions = consequences is absolutely what the nation needs to get back on track. Nation of laws and all that.

Apologies and payouts from people who had nothing to do with the crime?

Less of that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Now in the Lost My Doctor AND My Insurance Premiums Doubled Column at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (rjrh3)

218 I drove through Hershey PA once. It smelled like chocolate. Not kidding.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (T71PA)

How about Intercourse, PA ?
Posted by: jsg at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (YKycC)

I ain't gonna go there.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (T71PA)

219 202 194 Visit some paper mill towns. The smell of motor oil would be like perfume.
Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (nBr1j)

Lyrics from a forgotten Steve Forbert tune...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (mbhDw)

Hog farmers like to say their barns smell like money.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (nBr1j)

220 OT/ I bought the Halo Top Chocolate Covered Banana Ice Cream, and the taste is better than expected. In fact, it tastes a lot like Circus Peanuts candy...w/o all the sugar.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 26, 2017 07:43 PM (lGHQg)

221 Fwiw, not sending anyone to jail makes it worse in the long run.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Now in the Lost My Doctor AND My Insurance Premiums Doubled Column at October 26, 2017 07:43 PM (rjrh3)

222 But I'm infinitely more interested in seeing the country return to its intended functionality.

Lois Lerner being punished would be nice but it does exactly dick for my future or my families future and that's what I really care about.

Win.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:38 PM (/tuJf)

Nope. We don't win until someone (other than Scooter Libby) goes to jail. What is the deterrent for bad behavior? What prevents this from happening again in 3-7 years?

Posted by: golfman at October 26, 2017 07:43 PM (48QDY)

223 Equivalent of a Nazi war criminal getting a life sentence, then reduced to 20 years and being freed after 4.

-
I see that Germany is going to try a 96 year old former guard at one of the camps.I doubt he does four.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 26, 2017 07:43 PM (Nwg0u)

224 218 I drove through Hershey PA once. It smelled like chocolate. Not kidding.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (T71PA)

How about Intercourse, PA ?
Posted by: jsg at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (YKycC)

I ain't gonna go there.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (T71PA)

I've been in Intercourse. It smells of artisan quilts and buggy wheels.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (nBr1j)

225 220
OT/ I bought the Halo Top Chocolate Covered Banana Ice Cream, and the
taste is better than expected. In fact, it tastes a lot like Circus
Peanuts candy...w/o all the sugar.

My wife bought some of that, but it has the mouthfeel of powdered chalk.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (LAe3v)

226 SEE!!!!

Trump is just stealing tax money and giving it to deplorable people!!!

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (wMDBb)

227 If there is no punishment, nothing stops the Democrats from going right back to it when they get power again. This is why there must be excessive, even cruelly excessive, punishments handed out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (60v4h)

228 Cities stink. Simple as that. Either get used to it or leave.

Only way to deal.

And the countryside stinks too. So. Nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

Smell of cowshit smells like $$$.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (rvtDF)

229 The failures of Bush JR and Republicans of that time gave us Obama and a supermajority long enough to pass Obamacare.

A now-long-overdue recession close to election time plus the general anti-Trump feeling of Dems and some Independents could repeat the Obama era situation but now with people even more Socialist.

President Hillary would have done lots of terrible things and created a Liberal majority on the Supreme court but we should be working to lessen the court's powers anyway and we would have had a real good chance of a real conservative winning in 2020 with a solid Republican House and 60 Rs in the Senate.

So hoorah for the small wins and the hidden big wins we get now and the Court appointment and anything else along the way but a decade from now we might see it all gone.

Posted by: JustAGuy at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (UnMRd)

230 Hog farmers like to say their barns smell like money.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (nBr1j)

++++

Their neighbors smell it differently.

I lived downwind of a meatpacking plant once. In the summer... OMG. They kept on promising to fix the problem, but it didn't get fixed until they closed down.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (FUu/Z)

231 Intercourse doesn't small like anything particular. It's a nice little town in Pennsylvania Dutch county. They probably sometimes feel like changing the name because of all the jokes about it, but here's the actual history of the name:

http://www.intercourseheritagedays.com/history.html

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (iVOAv)

232 And yeah, Hershey does smell like chocolate. I'm not convinced it's not artificially produced and pumped out as a large-scale air freshener (wastewater plants do it often with other scents) to add to the mystique, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Now in the Lost My Doctor AND My Insurance Premiums Doubled Column at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (rjrh3)

233 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:40 PM (mbhDw)

The main street along the Hershey plant is Chocolate Ave.

And it's colored brown. A nice brown.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (Li/V9)

234 228 Cities stink. Simple as that. Either get used to it or leave.

Only way to deal.

And the countryside stinks too. So. Nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

Smell of cowshit smells like $$$.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (rvtDF)

I like the smell of new mown hay.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (nBr1j)

235 223 I see that Germany is going to try a 96 year old former guard at one of the camps.I doubt he does four.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 26, 2017 07:43 PM (Nwg0u)

The late Simon Wiesenthal knew and said that the trials were not about justice in the sense that justice really could never be achieved. It was about showing the world what happened and the consequences of indifference and/or participation in such things.

That said, I do not see a similarity here with this "deal" at all. There is not only no justice, but those who are still in positions within the bureaucracy will laugh at this. In fact, they are openly defying PDT's order not to fine people who do not have health insurance.

The true justice is the abolishing of the IRS and a flat tax. And the tarring and feathering of Lois Lerner.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:46 PM (mbhDw)

236 I drove through Hershey PA once. It smelled like chocolate. Not kidding.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:39 PM (T71PA)

How about Intercourse, PA ?

Posted by: jsg at October 26, 2017 07:41 PM (YKycC)-----------------------

No to mention Fishkill, NY

Posted by: Javems at October 26, 2017 07:46 PM (yOqwj)

237 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:40 PM (mbhDw)

You get the smell mostly when they unload the chocolate from the rail road cars across the river from the plant.

Huge silos of the stuff (chocolate beans).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (Li/V9)

238 My wife bought some of that, but it has the mouthfeel of powdered chalk.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (LAe3v)
---
you're being generous.

i got a free container, thought it tasted worse than shit, as did HRH, so we dumped it outside for the wild critters, along with the evening's table scraps.

they ate everything else and left it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (wMDBb)

239 The smell in Gilroy, CA isn't half bad. It is the garlic capital of the world.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (tcwn1)

240 I like the smell of new mown hay.
Posted by: Northernlurker

That too. $50 - $60 a round bale.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (rvtDF)

241 Hog farmers like to say their barns smell like money.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. at October 26, 2017 07:42 PM (nBr1j)

That there is what I would call dirty money. PHEW!

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (T71PA)

242 Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (LAe3v)

Really? I think it is creamy. Some of the other brands are like that, but Halo Top feels closest to the real thing for me.

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (lGHQg)

243 231 Intercourse doesn't small like anything particular. It's a nice little town in Pennsylvania Dutch county. They probably sometimes feel like changing the name because of all the jokes about it, but here's the actual history of the name:

http://www.intercourseheritagedays.com/history.html
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (iVOAv)

I've visited nearby Bird-In-Hand

Posted by: josephistan at October 26, 2017 07:48 PM (ANIFC)

244 >>Sorry Jack but that's what he's supposed to do. It's low hanging
fruit. Going after the individual perpetrators of the crimes committed
during the Obama administration is the hard stuff. And again, his
recusal has resulted in a potential cover up.

Prosecutions like the 200+ antifa goons who rioted on Inauguration Day? Like that? I've yet to hear anyone around here talk about that but me.

They'll be more. It takes time to build cases. That is exactly what is going on with the Uranium One case and by extension all the Russian collusion during the election. Kind of funny that by allowing the investigation to go forward the only people who now appear to be in jeopardy are Manafort, who is not a long time Trumper, much more of a DC insider, and member of the Clinton campaign.

But picking the "low hanging fruit" also know as fixing past irregularities and getting the normal law and order environment like gutting sanctuary cities and stopping the government from using it's power to punish citizens needed to be done first along with cleaning house at the DOJ and appointing an entire new suite of federal prosecutors. If you remember, Trump fired all the ones who didn't quit and there are still some who haven't been approved by Congress.

I just think some of you have completely unrealistic expectations about how fast some of these things happen.

As to the recusal, sorry, he did the right thing. He was a potential target of the investigation and DOJ rules and basic legal sense says that a target of an investigation can't be the investigator.

Yea, I know Obama and Hillary administrations wouldn't have operated this way. That's why I didn't vote for them.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:48 PM (/tuJf)

245 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (iVOAv)

Geez Fen. Leave us our prurient day dreams will ya?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:48 PM (Li/V9)

246 243
I've visited nearby Bird-In-Hand
Posted by: josephistan at October 26, 2017 07:48 PM (ANIFC)

A mile or so north of Shagmapooper.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:48 PM (mbhDw)

247
Disagree, JS. Not a question of what I'd like, but difficult to conclude that lawlessness going unpunished (as in no prosecutions/convictions) is anything other than bad and dangerous for our future. Ditto for the stunning abuse of the intel agencies and surveillance authorities.

The Church Commission didn't prosecute, but changed the structure and laws to avoid the abuses it examined. But it mostly filled in where there had been a vacuum, not where there had been systematic violation of laws. Similar things, in terms of reforms- at a minimum - are probably needed here (and we're talking about multiple departments and multiple sensitive national functions).

But prosecutions are free, do not prevent anything else being done, and convictions would be very valuable in protecting that future you talk about.

Guess we'll see. Hard to imagine decisions made to not prosecute are done frivolously, or in bad faith - but as I laid out in earlier comment, sit back and think about what it means that such gross, poorly hidden, ineptly performed abuses will pass with no actual punishments.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:48 PM (QDnY+)

248 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (iVOAv)

You do know this is juvenile humor central?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:49 PM (Li/V9)

249 Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, pig farm.

Posted by: Homer Simpson driving in the country at October 26, 2017 07:49 PM (IqV8l)

250 239
The smell in Gilroy, CA isn't half bad. It is the garlic capital of the world.

Are you playing nursemaid to a bunch of garlic eaters?
(extra points for identifying the source)

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:50 PM (LAe3v)

251 So hoorah for the small wins and the hidden big wins
we get now and the Court appointment and anything else along the way
but a decade from now we might see it all gone.

Posted by: JustAGuy at October 26, 2017 07:45 PM (UnMRd)
---
IOW, it's going to be an early night...

Got It!

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 26, 2017 07:50 PM (wMDBb)

252 Imma just leave this happy story here.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybxoc9my

Posted by: Infidel at October 26, 2017 07:50 PM (4ZKcy)

253 Cities stink. Simple as that. Either get used to it or leave.

Only way to deal.

And the countryside stinks too. So. Nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

Smell of cowshit smells like $$$.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 26, 2017 07:44 PM (rvtDF)

I've almost never been in a countryside that stunk much, unless you're talking about flowers and/or manure.

I actually like the smell of manure these days, it means I'm in the country somewhere. You get a good whiff of that coming out of Ft. Wayne headed towards Toledo.

Posted by: Country Boy at October 26, 2017 07:50 PM (E9HH5)

254
And I'm not in a hurry, per se, and well understand how these things can work, from up close experience.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:51 PM (QDnY+)

255 I hate it when the farmers fertilize their fields. some of them use this really evil smelling stuff. GAG.

I think it's pig shit but I'm not sure.

Horse shit smells okay if it's not too old

Cow shit not so much

Pig shit is just evil.

And they digest and excrete very similar to us. And you know what WE smell like.

GAG.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:51 PM (Li/V9)

256
Yes, Gilroy. Still have never stopped at any of the roadside stores to buy galic novelties and specialties. Smell is much more pronounced on that state hwy. that comes in from the east, than along the 101.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

257 There is no smoke just a 55 gallon barrel of gasoline in roiling flame.

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (jHrzU)

258 And you know what WE smell like.

I do indeed. My lab is next door to the DC area's sewage treatment plant. There are summer days when the aroma is most piquant.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (LAe3v)

259 The smell in Gilroy, CA isn't half bad. It is the garlic capital of the world.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (tcwn1)

Gilroy smells great.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (T71PA)

260 be grateful you don't live near Hillary's outhouse.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (ILitO)

261
Worst smell was driving on I-90 through Gary, IN towards Chicago. Wow. Horrid.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (mbhDw)

262 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:49 PM (Li/V9)

Oh, I don't know about juvenile. I'd say "Junior high" or Beavis and Butthead sometimes ;^) It's just that if you've heard these jokes for 40 years about the name of that town in PA that starts with an I and ends with and e you-or rather I- can get sort of tired by it. The people in town must get bored with it too. On the other hand they must sell things off the name

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (iVOAv)

263 Scans JFK documents.

Says Sasquatch was on the grassy knoll.

I fucking knew it!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 26, 2017 07:54 PM (gC2IV)

264 263 Scans JFK documents.

Says Sasquatch was on the grassy knoll.

I fucking knew it!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 26, 2017 07:54 PM (gC2IV)

Grassy Knoll = Lena Dunham's FUPA

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:54 PM (mbhDw)

265 So, the tax payers get to shell out settlements to conservative organizations who were targeted for politically motivated punishment by a group of deeply corrupt government officials who in turn go unpunished and free to collect ill-gotten pensions? Sounds like winning! Freedom...yeah, freedom!

What a bunch of bullshit.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at October 26, 2017 07:55 PM (FTf+m)

266 Flat tax! Flat tax!

Disband and prosecute the IRS!

Posted by: Fritz at October 26, 2017 07:56 PM (Kwhm/)

267 256
Yes, Gilroy. Still have never stopped at any of the roadside stores to buy galic novelties and specialties. Smell is much more pronounced on that state hwy. that comes in from the east, than along the 101.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2017 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

+++

I think I've only done the 101 route, many times and never stopped, either. Wish I had And the onion fields in CA is also very pungent. Not unpleasant.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 07:56 PM (tcwn1)

268 and there's a supermarket a few blocks from where I live. downwind from their trackter trailer size dumpster in the summer...

but imagine what any city must have been like in the summer in the days of horses and horse drawn vehicles.

Michael Moore's place probably has a more pleasant aroma.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 26, 2017 07:56 PM (ILitO)

269 >>Nope. We don't win until someone (other than Scooter Libby) goes to jail. What is the deterrent for bad behavior? What prevents this from happening again in 3-7 years?

Winning elections.

If locking up criminals stopped further criminal behavior we would be a crime free society. Contrary to popular belief, Democrats do get convicted of crimes and some do go to jail.

Three straight Democrat Speakers of the MA State House were removed from office for felonies. The first didn't get it done. Neither did the 2nd. I'm pretty sure the 3rd won't be any more successful at stopping the 4th at some point.

You have your definition of winning and I'll have mine. Personally, I'm enjoying the hell out of all this winning lately and Hillary Clinton will never be President.

Happy Birthday you old scrunt.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:56 PM (/tuJf)

270 Seb. Gorka told Lou Dobbs tonight that a congressman phoned him and told him that they had to fight to get the clearance for the uranium informant.

As in, they had to fight the gop leadership. Stated reason was that they didn't want to appear partisan.

Yeah.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 26, 2017 07:57 PM (GzDYP)

271 259 The smell in Gilroy, CA isn't half bad. It is the garlic capital of the world.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 07:47 PM (tcwn1)

Gilroy smells great.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (T71PA)
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I've gone past Gilroy (at 80 mph on the highway) but dont recall smelling it. The town of Smithfield, VA smells like ham!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2017 07:57 PM (Sfs6o)

272 261
Worst smell was driving on I-90 through Gary, IN towards Chicago. Wow. Horrid.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (mbhDw)

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Do you know the cause?

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 07:57 PM (tcwn1)

273 2
Conservatives in the Mist.

Seriously. This guy is probably better than most, but you can be sure he thinks he's Margaret Mead.

Coming of Age in Flyover Country.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:57 PM (LAe3v)

274 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (mbhDw)

i could always tell when we got near Gary. It's the coke plant.

No not coca cola. The rendering down of coal into coke. Coke is used for steel production.

and it smells to high heaven.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:58 PM (Li/V9)

275 >>Still have never stopped at any of the roadside stores to buy galic novelties and specialties

What do they sell? Guinness?

Posted by: Aviator at October 26, 2017 07:58 PM (2cuLk)

276 Chicken houses smell pretty bad, and the ammonia coming from them will eat up a Cat D6 if you leave it downwind for one.

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2017 07:58 PM (zLDYs)

277 >>>Yes, Gilroy. Still have never stopped at any of the roadside stores to buy galic novelties and specialties. Smell is much more pronounced on that state hwy. that comes in from the east, than along the 101

you know those jars of Christopher Ranch products?
right off 101

Posted by: concrete girl at October 26, 2017 07:58 PM (GgdGv)

278 shhh Tucker is going after Podesta

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2017 07:58 PM (/tuJf)

279 Can't be worse than the aroma of Tacoma. Gah.

Posted by: Infidel at October 26, 2017 07:59 PM (4ZKcy)

280 if eating like a barnyard full of pigs and stinking the place up is wrong, then I don't wanna be right.

Impeach Trump!

Posted by: Michael Moore at October 26, 2017 07:59 PM (ILitO)

281 whoops, wrong thread. Also, new thread.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2017 07:59 PM (LAe3v)

282 People who keep an unfortunate name have to have a reason.

It's too easy to change your name or a town's name.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 26, 2017 07:59 PM (Li/V9)

283 What a bunch of bullshit.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at October 26, 2017 07:55 PM (FTf+m)
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i second this emotion.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 26, 2017 08:00 PM (wMDBb)

284 Oh, I don't know about juvenile. I'd say "Junior high" or Beavis and Butthead sometimes ;^) It's just that if you've heard these jokes for 40 years about the name of that town in PA that starts with an I and ends with and e you-or rather I- can get sort of tired by it. The people in town must get bored with it too. On the other hand they must sell things off the name
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2017 07:53 PM (iVOAv)

Some Brit names are priceless. My favorite was "Pucklechurch."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 08:01 PM (YqDXo)

285 The little town of Lemon Cove, CA (outside Visalia on the way to Three Rivers and Sequoia National Park) is very fragrant when the citrus is in bloom. Almost overwhelming.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2017 08:01 PM (Sfs6o)

286 I hate it when the farmers fertilize their fields. some of them use this really evil smelling stuff. GAG.

When we were kids and traveling we would suddenly be hit with that fertilizer smell and we would be rolling up the windows as fast as we could. Even then you could still smell it. It was the worst!

Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 26, 2017 08:02 PM (lGHQg)

287 The refineries in Carquinez Straits, the paper mills in Antioch and any street in SF.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2017 08:02 PM (ZB2zL)

288 Kennett Square, PA - mushroom farms.

Do NOT be downwind...

Posted by: Gossamer at October 26, 2017 08:03 PM (G0XCe)

289 Are you playing nursemaid to a bunch of garlic eaters?
(extra points for identifying the source)

It's A Wonderful Life, what do I win?

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at October 26, 2017 08:03 PM (xQfPr)

290 Back in the 70's when I was a cropduster I loved the smell of insecticide, herbicide, and defoliant (yep, Agent Orange deriv). Smelled like m-o-n-e-y.

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2017 08:06 PM (zLDYs)

291 285 The little town of Lemon Cove, CA (outside Visalia on the way to Three Rivers and Sequoia National Park) is very fragrant when the citrus is in bloom. Almost overwhelming.
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2017 08:01 PM (Sfs6o)

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That sounds wonderful. Also your ham town.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 26, 2017 08:07 PM (tcwn1)

292 mmm, ham town.

Posted by: Homer at October 26, 2017 08:36 PM (60v4h)

293
If I didn't know any better I'd swear that Democrats are above the law and can get away with anything they want.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 26, 2017 08:54 PM (tb1QG)

294 I assume this is a money settlement paid by the American people.....horrible

The people at the IRS who perpetrated this crime hem bankrupt.

Posted by: ploome at October 26, 2017 09:07 PM (vzZKT)

295 286 I hate it when the farmers fertilize their fields. some of them use this really evil smelling stuff. GAG.

When we were kids and traveling we would suddenly be hit with that fertilizer smell and we would be rolling up the windows as fast as we could. Even then you could still smell it. It was the worst!
Posted by: Prof Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 26, 2017 08:02 PM (lGHQg)

I traveled today and smelled! Horrible!

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at October 26, 2017 09:31 PM (TdMsT)

296 Some Brit names are priceless. My favorite was "Pucklechurch."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 26, 2017 08:01 PM (YqDXo)

"Cat Food-On- Ass" is a close second.

Posted by: Lord Squirchy at October 26, 2017 09:47 PM (n3hky)

297 No criminal prosecutions, Obama and the demo-cretins get away with it again.

Posted by: Locke Common at October 26, 2017 10:02 PM (YWm2G)

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