The Morning Rant: J.V. Edition

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Can you remember why you voted for this guy? Because he seems to have changed a bit, and is muscling in on my territory. Why is he flinging poo at a Republican President?

I'm sorry, but that is just retarded. The history of the damned world refutes every single word of that idiotic quotation. Freedom is pretty much a construct of Western Culture, and we have had to fight for it constantly for 2,500 years, didn't really achieve it until 1776, and it is in existential danger today.

So...George Bush: thank you for your service to this country. We'll take it from here. You lost any moral authority to criticize the current president because of your conspicuous silence for the previous eight years of an incredibly destructive presidency.

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They just don't get it.


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I agree. It is sad. Sad that you are too fvcking stupid to understand that only because of the leftist media's rapidly diminishing stranglehold on "The News," it isn't 99%

Because I don't believe a damned thing any of you say. Your carefully parsed defenses of your reporting are obfuscations. You lie...overtly, by omission, or by manipulation. But you most definitely lie.

Is President Trump's suggestion that you be punished a bad idea? Probably. But that doesn't change anything. You are liars, and nothing will change that short of a sea change in the way Americans consume the news, and that is happening as we speak. But that change will be simple. Unemployment for you and your ilk.

And I will laugh.

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1 Dubya - SAD!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 20, 2017 11:29 AM (ul9CR)

2 I'm just going to walk away from the Internet today.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 20, 2017 11:30 AM (8ZI4Y)

3 Just rattling round, making noise!

Posted by: Empty Barrel at October 20, 2017 11:31 AM (ppBhU)

4 F**K you W

Posted by: It's me donna at October 20, 2017 11:31 AM (O2RFr)

5 Top 10?

Posted by: johnd01 at October 20, 2017 11:31 AM (ukNFU)

6 I'm just going to walk away from the Internet today.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 20, 2017 11:30 AM (8Z

I know I should

Posted by: It's me donna at October 20, 2017 11:31 AM (O2RFr)

7 46% think media make up stories about Trump

Are these the same pollsters who predicted the election?

Probably more like 76% then.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 20, 2017 11:32 AM (ul9CR)

8 Chimpy!

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 20, 2017 11:32 AM (QM5S2)

9 Can you remember why you voted for this guy? Because he seems to have
changed a bit, and is muscling in on my territory. Why is he flinging
poo at a Republican President?




I never liked the guy. He had RNCe RINO written all over him. But the alternative was hideous.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 20, 2017 11:33 AM (mpXpK)

10 In the primaries the brought us Bush,


I voted for Keyes.

Posted by: Emmie at October 20, 2017 11:33 AM (ZapPq)

11 I prefer the Buddha Ape.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2017 11:33 AM (QQ+il)

12 Jeb! - "My mother is the strongest person I know..."

Trump - "She should be running then."

Jeb! still has that bruise.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 20, 2017 11:33 AM (ul9CR)

13 I'm sorry, but that is just retarded. The history of the damned world refutes every single word of that idiotic quotation. Freedom is pretty much a construct of Western Culture, and we have had to fight for it constantly for 2,500 years, didn't really achieve it until 1776, and it is in existential danger today.


WORD.

When doofus hipsters start going on about how a revolution is needed, I like to push back and yell that THIS *IS* THE REVOLUTION! We are a sea change in history and an incredible change in philosophy over what has been the human existence for thousands of years.

Then they roll their eyes and go back to sipping their goddamned latte.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 20, 2017 11:33 AM (PFy0L)

14 +12 in Florida bitches! Early night! Drink!

*Hic

Posted by: Hilary at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (SkuXa)

15 I haven't vote FOR anyone since Reagan.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (baYK5)

16 The older I get, the more realize that a good 90% of politics is just personal and has zero to do with ideology or principles.

If somebody's ego or pride is injured, a politician will make it their life's work to go against everything they ran on to get back at that person to settle the score.

Our country is basically being run by people with fragile egos that don't believe in anything but themselves and their status.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (lKmt3)

17 I'd say 99% of what appears in the media is a lie, or stupid. And by stupid I mean it is media personalities spouting off about stuff they are 100% ignorant about.

Posted by: Northerlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years. at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (nBr1j)

18 I have always thought that GWB was at heart a decent man with true ideals. Why is he speaking out now and not when Mom Jeans was POTUS? Afraid of being called a racist? Their positions in the 1st Class Lounge of the establishment has been shaken up and Trump can not be tolerated. To hell with what the American people want.

Very disappointed in Bush.

Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (oiNtH)

19 What is really the inborn hope of people is to be able to tell everyone else what to do, and to force them do it.


Proof being the # people seeking that power vs. the number of people who give control back to others.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (PNcou)

20 FBI Dragnet Nets 120 More Human Traffickers
The
Storm against human trafficking and pedophilia rings continues. As I
said earlier, these low-level arrests are a precursor to busting open
the larger rings operated by the Deep State.
http://tinyurl.com/y7flzoz8
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Anybody order Pizza?

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (2wRtc)

21 10 I voted for Keyes.

Posted by: Emmie at October 20, 2017 11:33 AM (ZapPq)

I did too.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (mpXpK)

22 GWB: Inborn hope of humanity is freedom. Just like democracy was for the Islamists. And also, telling the honest truth is for the media.


Ummm. I think Carter needs some help with those habitat things, George.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (7n4KQ)

23 Then they roll their eyes and go back to sipping their goddamned latte.

Pumpkin spice?

Posted by: Special snowflake hipster still living in the 60's at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (O2RFr)

24
I'm just going to walk away from the Internet today.

RUN!!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (IqV8l)

25 Dear ex-President Bush,

You need hobbies, may I suggest Base Jumping or Sword Swallowing.

Signed,

Concerned American

Posted by: nip at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (NUH4Q)

26 W's comments on a par with his "Islam is a religion of peace" nonsense. Bye, George.

Posted by: real joe at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (qpClX)

27 I think that Dylan Scott was lamenting that made up stories just feed the "made up stories" meme. Maybe it was someone else. But its kinda like the guy in the crocs....

Posted by: blaster at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (GuzcK)

28 It's the WSJ line. Anyone opposing gutting immigration laws is anti immigration.

It's race baiting, dishonest and wearying.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (326rv)

29 Oh, and on Facebook, that Kathryn Lopez person (NRO someone or other) is on about how W's speech is a criticism of Obama.

STFU.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (PFy0L)

30 In before the Republican Toadys!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2017 11:36 AM (QQ+il)

31 16 The older I get, the more realize that a good 90% of politics is just personal and has zero to do with ideology or principles.

If somebody's ego or pride is injured, a politician will make it their life's work to go against everything they ran on to get back at that person to settle the score.

Our country is basically being run by people with fragile egos that don't believe in anything but themselves and their status.
Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2017 11:34 AM (lKmt3)

I am forever surprised by the low quality of the people elected to high office. I shouldn't be surprised but I am. Many are people I would be required to beat to death with a baseball bat should they come within a city block of my grandchildren.

Posted by: Northerlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years. at October 20, 2017 11:36 AM (nBr1j)

32 I would have voted for the Rent-is-too-damn-high guy, but he wasn't on my ballot.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 20, 2017 11:36 AM (QM5S2)

33 Hey Dubya, at least you didn't say the inborn hope of humanity is to prevent climate change.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:36 AM (7n4KQ)

34 6 I'm just going to walk away from the Internet today.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 20, 2017 11:30 AM (8Z

I know I should
Posted by: It's me donna at October 20, 2017 11:31 AM (O2RFr)

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yeah, that leaves more internet for ME!

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 11:36 AM (PNcou)

35 I voted for Bush Jr twice because the alternatives were worse.

The Bush Crime Family is starting to have a nice ring to it, along with their partners in crime The Clinton Crime Family.

Why isn't Bush Inc looking into whatever happened to all those millions Bush Sr helped raise for Haiti hmmm?

Posted by: Boots at October 20, 2017 11:36 AM (EBwPV)

36 >>Can you remember why you voted for this guy?

Yes, because he was not Al Gore or John F'ing Kerry.

Posted by: Rep. Rosa Delauro at October 20, 2017 11:37 AM (W+vEI)

37 I have always thought that GWB was at heart a decent man with true ideals.
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Decent men don't keep quiet for 8 years while America is being gutted by a Marxist puppet.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 20, 2017 11:37 AM (2wRtc)

38 Drudge: Court allows challenge to law banning prostitution in CA...
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Well duh!

It's totally against the 14th amendment to discriminate against born prostitutes!

And to discriminate against people on the basis of a chosen profession!!

Oh! If you're a prostitute we're not going to protect your right to practice your trade!!!

Bigots!

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2017 11:37 AM (2mC6G)

39 Just wonder why W decided to crawl out of his hole now?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (O2RFr)

40 Jeb! - "My mother is the strongest person I know..."

Trump - "She should be running then."

Jeb! still has that bruise.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 20, 2017 11:33 AM (ul9CR)


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That guy was such a shit sandwich. I'm almost as relieved we dodged him as we did Hillary. And he was so stupid. He couldn't even lie and disguise his opinions even when they were shown to be unpopular. Not even his "war chest" was enough to get him past the finish line.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (/qEW2)

41 OK, W, but what was going to happen when all that was left were Aztecs, MS-13, and the Muslim Brotherhood?

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (CMbMd)

42 Oh, it's sad all right but not for the reason this tool probably thinks.

Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (RD7QR)

43 your silence as destruction of FREEDOM reigned removes your moral authority for anything GWB

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (8RQER)

44 26 W's comments on a par with his "Islam is a religion of peace" nonsense. Bye, George.
Posted by: real joe at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (qpClX)

If politicians, at least those labelled conservative, are reluctant to criticize Islam can they not, at least, STFU about this religion of peace nonsense.

Posted by: Northerlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years. at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (nBr1j)

45 39 Just wonder why W decided to crawl out of his hole now?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (O2RFr)

He wants to be a rock star.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (7n4KQ)

46 Oh, and on Facebook, that Kathryn Lopez person (NRO someone or other) is on about how W's speech is a criticism of Obama.

STFU.
Posted by: WitchDoktor

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All we heard from the Bush Family was praise from elder Bush while Bill Clinton was President and praise from Dubya when Obama was President.

But the Bush family has decided to weigh in against Republican President Donald Trump on the same spurious bullshit liberals leveled at the Bushes for being racists.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (lKmt3)

47 Low Enerjeb

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (2wRtc)

48
Oh, and on Facebook, that Kathryn Lopez person (NRO someone or other) is on about how W's speech is a criticism of Obama.

HUH???

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (IqV8l)

49 Where's Darth Cheney?
At least piped up a few times during Obama's reign to slap down his stupider comments.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (W+vEI)

50 I am forever surprised by the low quality of the people elected to high office


Seriously.

By that standard, I ought to be the Emperor of America by now.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (NyJwR)

51 What Vic said...Bush, because the alternative was hideous.

Posted by: USMC8541One Shot to Slay them all at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (NmR1a)

52 7 46% think media make up stories about Trump



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another 37% Know it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (PNcou)

53 The Bush Crime Family is starting to have a nice ring to it, along with their partners in crime The Clinton Crime Family.



That's two of the five families.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (FZxI4)

54 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (ctuyM)

55 40 That guy was such a shit sandwich. I'm almost as relieved we dodged him as we did Hillary. And he was so stupid. He couldn't even lie and disguise his opinions even when they were shown to be unpopular. Not even his "war chest" was enough to get him past the finish line.


Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (/qEW2)


Honestly, I think Yeb! was relieved when he dropped out, too. He never struck me as really wanting to win.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (CMbMd)

56 I don't think the government should punish the media. No way. But I am all in favor of Trump dishing out the criticism, and of people not buying the New York Times (or watching CNN etc).

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (ylUqT)

57 Shit, there's probably 3 million people who carry every day in the state of Texas alone.

See, we have a law that says you can carry a handgun in your vehicle--concealed--with no permit.

I do.

Have for some 15 years now.


Posted by: RoyalOil at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (sUh6s)

58
Ummmmm........ wasnt it the Left that coined the term "Fake News"??

Posted by: fixerupper at October 20, 2017 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

59 40 That guy was such a shit sandwich. I'm almost as
relieved we dodged him as we did Hillary. And he was so stupid. He
couldn't even lie and disguise his opinions even when they were shown to
be unpopular. Not even his "war chest" was enough to get him past the
finish line.



Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (/qEW2)

The NE money men sunk millions into his primary and he blew it all. And the largest vote total he got was 5% early in the primary when it was ALL name recognition. Voters simply hated him.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 20, 2017 11:40 AM (mpXpK)

60 56 I don't think the government should punish the media. No way. But I am all in favor of Trump dishing out the criticism, and of people not buying the New York Times (or watching CNN etc).
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 20, 2017 11:39 AM (ylUqT)

It's our job to punish the media.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:40 AM (7n4KQ)

61 "We know that the desire for freedom is not confined to or owned by any geographical location. It is the inborn hope of humans which most cultures squash flat aborning."

FTFH

Posted by: geoffb at October 20, 2017 11:40 AM (zOpu5)

62 He was better than Lurch. and certainly better than the Gorecal. but 43 was still GOPe heart and soul.

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 20, 2017 11:40 AM (8RQER)

63 Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

2) ...but first you will blow me.
6:41 AM - 9 Oct 2020

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 20, 2017 11:40 AM (rnAwa)

64 I got into big fights with family members because I defended Bush. How stupid of me.

Does he feel the need to open his trap now because the Bush family is still butt hurt over what Trump said about Mr. Please Clap?

Or is globalization and open borders more important to him than winning the war ever was?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans amepesands at the present time) at October 20, 2017 11:40 AM (ZM2xo)

65 43 your silence as destruction of FREEDOM reigned removes your moral authority for anything GWB


Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM (8RQER)

"Freedom, you say? We thought you wanted FREE DOOM, so we did everything in out power to Doom your sorry asses!"

--The GOPe

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 11:41 AM (CMbMd)

66 "We know that the desire for freedom is not confined to or owned by any culture. It is the inborn hope of our humanity"

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Just like muslims are religious, so they are just like Christians.

Posted by: Javems at October 20, 2017 11:41 AM (yOqwj)

67 I'm not surprised by the low quality of our officials. I think we more or less have the officials we deserve. Sad to say, but a lot of our populace doesn't seem up to the task of self-governance (and I'd love to be able to say it's mostly the other side, but ours largely seems pretty unserious too). Nothing good is going to come of this.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 11:41 AM (ppBhU)

68 Ironically, TFG's speech yesterday talked about how important it was for American politicians to bring people together.

This from the guy pushing Victim Politics hardest, as a winning political strategy for Demoncrats.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (ylUqT)

69 As to W...if the Iraq and A-stan interventions taught us anything it is that there is a significant slice of humanity that not only doesn't want freedom but actually craves oppression. You can't MAKE people thirst for freedom.

Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (RD7QR)

70 Barry is mincing around campaign out east. He said something like, There are folks out there trying to divide..uhhh...other folks.


Such a talented public speaker.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (493sH)

71 Who appointed W as the SpokesAssClown of All The People of Da World?

That stuttering in-bred bastard is starting to piss me off.

Where is Sally Quinn when I need her most.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (nUkMr)

72 What the hell is George yammering about? Those words make no sense.

Posted by: Fritz at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (2Mnv1)

73 I gave up on Bush when he called me a racist for not wanting illegals in our country. On his plus side, he can dodge a tossed sandal like a mole avoiding a hammer.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (mcI77)

74 Injurious George.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (Opo9B)

75 68 Ironically, TFG's speech yesterday talked about how important it was for American politicians to bring people together.


He meant to bring them together into camps.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (7n4KQ)

76 I'm sorry, but that is just retarded. The history of the damned world refutes every single word of that idiotic quotation. Freedom is pretty much a construct of Western Culture, and we have had to fight for it constantly for 2,500 years, didn't really achieve it until 1776, and it is in existential danger today.
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It was so Greek in conception, that high among Xerxes' motivations to invade Greece from neighboring Persia was threat he saw in the "noxious" notion of individual freedom infecting his country.

That's not in every history book. But if you read deep enough, you can find it.

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (2mC6G)

77 Jerry Brown has declared California a sanctuary state. The suspected arsonist of the Northern California wildfires is an illegal immigrant who has previous felonies/misdemeanors and had been returned to Mexico twice before.

Did he start all of the fires? Probably not, who knows? Do US citizens commit crimes including arson....yes, absolutely. But the fact that we allow non citizens and politicians to openly flaunt immigration laws is a disgrace.

Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (oiNtH)

78 I agree. It is sad. Sad that you are too fvcking stupid to understand that only because of the leftist media's rapidly diminishing stranglehold on "The News," it isn't 99%.
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"We are in the presence of an attempt to establish a tyranny of opinion, and if its reign should be perpetuated the effect might be profoundly injurious to the stability and security of this country" -- Winston Churchill, 1934

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (y3sT9)

79 John Ellis Bush Sr. will never be President of the United States.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (QQ+il)

80 Just wonder why W decided to crawl out of his hole now?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 20, 2017 11:38 AM


Uranus was visible to the nekkid eye last night.

Posted by: Neil deGrass Tyson, famous Planetarium Person at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (ctuyM)

81 GW and Laura Bush were a welcome respite from the 8 years of Clinton whoring in the White House and ineptitude with foreign policy.
They were decent people who professed a love of the country and moreover, a serious respect for the office and for the moral functioning of the government.

They weren't Arkansas white trash and Laura didn
't have Hillarie's obvious political and communist leanings, along with being a money grubbing scam artist.

We forget that 9/11 hadn't happened yet. Islamic Jihadists were not on the typical American's mind.

I remember most America loving citizens just wanted our homeland to function and appear respectable. GW and Laura were exactly that as opposed to Gore.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (q8GYT)

82 67 I'm not surprised by the low quality of our officials. I think we more or less have the officials we deserve. Sad to say, but a lot of our populace doesn't seem up to the task of self-governance (and I'd love to be able to say it's mostly the other side, but ours largely seems pretty unserious too). Nothing good is going to come of this.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 11:41 AM (ppBhU)

What I'm saying is a lot of elected officials are scum. Why?

Posted by: Northerlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years. at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (nBr1j)

83 I am forever surprised by the low quality of the people elected to high office.
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It's in every profession.

Because the press releases and history are written by the winners--and their throne-sniffers.

Ugh.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (sUh6s)

84 Loki: [to crowd] Kneel before me. I said...KNEEL! Is not this simpler? Is this not your natural state? It's the unspoken truth of humanity that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power. For identity. You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel.

German Old Man: [Stands] Not to men like you.

Loki: There are no men like me.

German Old Man: There are always men like you.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (eytER)

85 "...there is a significant slice of humanity that not
only doesn't want freedom but actually craves oppression. You can't MAKE
people thirst for freedom."

Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (RD7QR)

Bingo.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (wYseH)

86 W...I thought you an idiot and failure before you were President. While you were President, you proved me correct.

I have no respect for the words you are spouting, b/c they aren't even yours. So double disrespect.

It is only by the grace of God that I do not hate you.

Now you are just a pitiful, pathetic figure, being trotted out like a puppet to serve the establishment.

Posted by: Professor Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (htrDF)

87 I ought to walk away from the Internet, but then my isolation would be nearly complete...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, #FireSessions at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (AM1GF)

88 Ironically, TFG's speech yesterday talked about how important it was for American politicians to bring people together.
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...in gerrymandered voting districts.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (y3sT9)

89 Lesbiman Dylan can go horsefuck.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 11:44 AM (HtLSE)

90 What Bush 43 was saying, in a nutshell, is that Trump is "not one of us". Like the Democrats, GWB still doesn't understand that Trump was elected precisely BECAUSE of that fact.

And thank God there will be no more Bushes and no more Clintons in the White House. I've seen what family political dynasties can do. They are one of the reasons why the Philippines and most of Latin America are 3rd world countries.

Posted by: CyberCipher at October 20, 2017 11:45 AM (p6WoB)

91 Hi, I'm the pastries and bagels in the breakroom from the last thread. I'm still here and still totally appealing.

How 'bout a bear's claw? When was the last time you had a bear's claw?

"Oh noes, my gainzz brah". Sure. You poncy little sissy boy. Eat a fucking Danish like a man. Worried about the calories, walk it off. Look, the weekend is coming up. Plan a long arduous hike with friends amidst the blazing autumn foliage. That will burn up the calories. Now, eat.

What, no friends for a hike? No time for hours in the woods? Don't think you have the stamina for that?

Well then hell's bells, eat a freakin' Danish. If the rest of your punk ass life is this depressing you might as well at least get a little sugar high out of it and the sweet frisson of memories from a time when your life didn't completely suck.

Loser.

Eat me or die sad.

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 11:45 AM (gIRsn)

92 Sure, I think everyone wants to be free. I just think they want to be safe and have everything without working, too. And that second part trumps the first.

I mean if you provided a society where people were totally safe and had all they wanted, then gave them a choice between total freedom and tyranny, everyone would choose tyranny.

Freedom is an ingrained desire for everyone, its part of being human. Its just that fear and selfishness are usually higher desires, more powerful wants. So people are willing to part with freedom if they can get stuff they want and feel safe.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (39g3+)

93 >>Ironically, TFG's speech yesterday talked about how important it was for American politicians to bring people together.


I don't think it's ironic. Always got the feeling that O loved to say things like that - claim ideals he knows he does not exemplify - just to troll. Also will look good decades from now when people who didn't live through his presidency read his statement and think, "Gee, that Barack Obama was a stand-up guy!"

Yeah, and Michelle said "When they go low, we go high." Can't recall if she was doing Barack's signature 'scratch nose with middle finger' maneuver while she said it...

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (W+vEI)

94 What I'm saying is a lot of elected officials are scum. Why?

Posted by: Northerlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years.


...have you looked at their constituents?

Fallen populace, fallen nation. Not that hard to figure out.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, #FireSessions at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (AM1GF)

95 George W. Bush: We know that the desire for freedom is not confined to or owned by any culture. It is the inborn hope of our humanity.

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Then why are people from all over the world so eager to flood here so that they can yell at us about how they are being oppressed here? More and more based on the way people like La Raza and Sarsour behave, it's not pragmatic, nor morally required of us to let in immigrants.

If you let one guest into your house, and he craps on the rug and curses at you, it's a good idea not to invite him or any of his family in as guests in the future.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (/qEW2)

96 GW and Laura Bush were a welcome respite from the 8
years of Clinton whoring in the White House and ineptitude with foreign
policy.

They were decent people who professed a love of the country and
moreover, a serious respect for the office and for the moral functioning
of the government.



They weren't Arkansas white trash and Laura didn

't have Hillarie's obvious political and communist leanings, along with being a money grubbing scam artist.



We forget that 9/11 hadn't happened yet. Islamic Jihadists were not on the typical American's mind.



I remember most America loving citizens just wanted our homeland to
function and appear respectable. GW and Laura were exactly that as
opposed to Gore.





Posted by: Jen the original at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (q8GYT)
This!

Posted by: Mostly Cajun at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (U5CmX)

97 90 What Bush 43 was saying, in a nutshell, is that Trump is "not one of us". Like the Democrats, GWB still doesn't understand that Trump was elected precisely BECAUSE of that fact
=====================

I don't see that at all in GWB's speech.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (ylUqT)

98 Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 11:45 AM (gIRsn)

Noooooo,....quit tempting me, you hussy.

Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (a0IVu)

99 Has anybody been anywhere and NOT seen something that was PUMPKIN FRIGGING SPICE?

I'm having the oil changed in my SUV today and I fully expect them to offer some 5-30 Pumpkin Spice Castrol.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (KeJ6l)

100 The problem is that 47% of the voters have no stake in the system and they vote themselves a free lunch. Except that it is not 'free', we have to pay for it.


We need an Art V convention and an amendment that says you must pay some minimum amount to be able to vote. We had that when we were colonies by way of requiring voters to be property owners (which was the chief means of tax then).

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 20, 2017 11:47 AM (mpXpK)

101 I remember most America loving citizens just wanted our homeland to
function and appear respectable. GW and Laura were exactly that as
opposed to Gore.


And 4 years later - he was NOT John F'n Kerry.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:47 AM (7n4KQ)

102 Mortimer @ 37 - You are absolutely right.

Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2017 11:47 AM (oiNtH)

103 >. "...there is a significant slice of humanity that not

only doesn't want freedom but actually craves oppression. You can't MAKE

people thirst for freedom."



You could say they consider it "peace".
Or submission, depending on who is doing the translation...

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2017 11:47 AM (W+vEI)

104 Loser.

Eat me or die sad.

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom


Also-ran punks.

Posted by: Baklava and Pie at Home at October 20, 2017 11:48 AM (AM1GF)

105 99, I've seen pumpkin spice coffees, tea, pastries, cookies, cake, pie, candy, biscuits, bread, beer..

So far only tequila is left unmolested by the pumpkin spice craze.

Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 11:48 AM (a0IVu)

106 Please clap.

Posted by: Jeb at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (SkuXa)

107 >>>I've seen what family political dynasties can do.
They are one of the reasons why the Philippines and most of Latin
America are 3rd world countries.

Posted by: CyberCipher<<<

What say you and I go for a little drive along the coast, eh?

Posted by: Ted "The Lion" Kennedy at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (2Mnv1)

108 >>Eat me or die sad.

I eat Hand Meat Pies.

Posted by: Yooper at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (mcI77)

109 Remember when Bush eloquently used his bully pulpit to warn us about the impending, Dem-created, sub-prime loan crisis?

Blow yourself George. We know you can. Oh, and thanks for that Religion of Peace crap.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (dZ756)

110 Better pay attention to that Dylan Scott guy. He writes for VOX!!!

Posted by: tu3031 at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (O5Q3r)

111
So far only tequila is left unmolested by the pumpkin spice craze.
Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 11:48 AM (a0IVu

Did they touch our bacon!?

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (7n4KQ)

112 We need an Art V convention and an amendment that says you must pay some minimum amount to be able to vote. We had that when we were colonies by way of requiring voters to be property owners (which was the chief means of tax then).

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party


That stupid "no poll tax" part of whichever amendment wound up being the rope with which we hung ourselves. Best intentions, road to hell, etc.

Posted by: Baklava and Pie at Home at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (AM1GF)

113
The suspected arsonist of the Northern California wildfires is an illegal immigrant who has previous felonies/misdemeanors and had been returned to Mexico twice before.

Rush retracted that news item yesterday.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (IqV8l)

114 "...there is a significant slice of humanity that not
only doesn't want freedom but actually craves oppression."
===========================

Democrats

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (ylUqT)

115 77 Jerry Brown has declared California a sanctuary state. The suspected arsonist of the Northern California wildfires is an illegal immigrant who has previous felonies/misdemeanors and had been returned to Mexico twice before.

Did he start all of the fires? Probably not, who knows? Do US citizens commit crimes including arson....yes, absolutely. But the fact that we allow non citizens and politicians to openly flaunt immigration laws is a disgrace.
Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (oiNtH)

Normally you cannot sue Government Officials for things they do while doing their Job... its called Sovereign Immunity.

However, if the Official broke the law while doing that action, they loose that immunity.

Aiding and abetting an illegal to stay in this country is still a felony.

I'd LOVE to see someone sue the Governor and Legislature, in FEDERAL Court, as being complicit and partly responsible for all the damage done by this fire.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 20, 2017 11:50 AM (NgKpN)

116 Can't touch this!

Posted by: Pork Bellies at October 20, 2017 11:50 AM (QQ+il)

117
The problem is that 47% of the voters have no stake in the system and
they vote themselves a free lunch. Except that it is not 'free', we have
to pay for it.


We need an Art V convention and an amendment
that says you must pay some minimum amount to be able to vote. We had
that when we were colonies by way of requiring voters to be property
owners (which was the chief means of tax then).


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 20, 2017 11:47 AM (mpXpK)
Show up at the voter registration office with your last 1040. If you paid, you vote. Or if you have a marriage license and your HUSBAND's 1040, you vote.They issue you a voter ID card with YOUR picture on it, and if you don't show that, you don't vote.Tweak it to make provisions for owners of real property, and we're on the right track.

Posted by: Mostly Cajun at October 20, 2017 11:50 AM (U5CmX)

118 See, nobody actually craves oppression and misery, they crave what they get in exchange for oppression and misery. Its predictable, its safe, its reliable. You never have to wonder what will happen because you know.

Freedom is frightening, uncertain, unstable. You have to work hard at it, you have to make your own way. You can't sit back and complain, you have to go out and do.

Its not the oppression or lack of freedom people want. Most people are basically lazy, selfish, and cowardly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 11:50 AM (39g3+)

119 Bush should not be criticizing Trump at this particular moment when there's all sorts of confirmation coming out -- but being ignored -- about what us tin foil hatters have been saying for years: we have a corrupt Deep State.

If he wanted to criticize Trump, why not months ago.

The timing of Bush doing so now suggests that Bush & Co are tied to the Deep State. Am I wrong?

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 20, 2017 11:50 AM (cAXIk)

120 John Ellis Bush Sr. will never be President of the United States. Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (QQ+il)
=====

There are children of JEB and GWB who are starting the cursus honorum in TX and FL.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 20, 2017 11:51 AM (MIKMs)

121 The default desire of humans is not freedom, but "freedom for everyone fo behave exactly as I want them to." Look no further than your local HOA board (invariably run by old ladies) to see this in action.

Very people believe in "freedom for other people to be assholes to me". Hell, you can't even get the Libertarian Party to accept that premise anymore.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 11:51 AM (sNzC+)

122 112 That stupid "no poll tax" part of whichever
amendment wound up being the rope with which we hung ourselves. Best
intentions, road to hell, etc.

Posted by: Baklava and Pie at Home at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (AM1GF)


The elimination of the "poll tax" wasn't so bad. it was the "or other" that killed everything.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (mpXpK)

123 Remember when Bush eloquently used his bully pulpit to warn us about the impending, Dem-created, sub-prime loan crisis?

Over 10 times he made speeches about that, actually. Talking to congress, telling them they had to fix Fannie and Freddie. Telling them finance reform had to happen. Congress wanted no part of that and, well?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (39g3+)

124 100 The problem is that 47% of the voters have no stake in the system and they vote themselves a free lunch. Except that it is not 'free', we have to pay for it.
----------------------------

Which is why I'm furious that the tax reform currently being floated by the White House has EXPANDED the -0- tax bracket, not eliminated it.

EVERYBODY should pay something, even if it's a 5% bracket. Otherwise the freeloaders will ALWAYS oppose lowering taxes, because they don't pay taxes anyway so of course the "rich" should pay more.

Posted by: Boots at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (EBwPV)

125 Rush retracted that news item yesterday.


Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr

So this guy wasn't arrested for starting a fire? I haven't seen this news.

Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (oiNtH)

126 Heh a Gold Star family put up their recording of a convo with President Trump.

Nothing wrong with it.

Checkmate you cowboy wearing twat.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (4ErVI)

127 NOW SERVING THICK-SLICED PUMPKIN SPICE BACON

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (KeJ6l)

128 Reagan, 1989: And how stands the city on this winter night? More prosperous, more secure, and happier than it was 8 years ago. But more than that: After 200 years, two centuries, she still stands strong and true on the granite ridge, and her glow has held steady no matter what storm. And she's still a beacon, still a magnet for all who must have freedom, for all the pilgrims from all the lost places who are hurtling through the darkness, toward home.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (5DBsn)

129 >>> 3 million Americans carry loaded handguns with them
>>> That is disgraceful. We need a critical mass of at least 15-20 million to make a real dent in crime. Let's go USA...Concealed Carry For All!

Agreed CBD! It's like Herd Immunity for immunizations. Don't start none, won't be none.

RedPillBlack's new vid about Weinstein and the current gun grabbyhands points out that NO NRA members have ever been a mass shooter. Good point!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (hvf9s)

130 Cheeky monkey.

Posted by: Insomniac - Getting Microaggressed on the Daily, Yo! at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (NWiLs)

131 John Ellis Bush Sr. will never be President of the United States. Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2017 11:43 AM (QQ+il)
=====

There are children of JEB and GWB who are starting the cursus honorum in TX and FL.
Posted by: mustbequantum



George P Bush can suck my left nut if he thinks he's EVER getting my vote for anything.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (FZxI4)

132 So...George Bush: thank you for your service to this country. We'll take it from here. You lost any moral authority to criticize the current president because of your conspicuous silence for the previous eight years of an incredibly destructive presidency.


Thanks for this CBD. I've been trying to come up with a more articulate way to say the same thing. Yours is much better than my "Eight years of nothing and now this you @#$%&43%$^&*%^$#!!!"

Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (0tfLf)

133 Noooooo,....quit tempting me, you hussy.



Come on...we are irresistible. And pretty. So what if people slobbered on us & we are full of germs. You will eat us and like us anyway!

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels are delicious at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (htrDF)

134 EVERYBODY should pay something, even if it's a 5% bracket.


heh.

Posted by: Soda tax at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (7n4KQ)

135 To reiterate previous post on the dead thread

"Never fall in love with a politician. They will break your heart, every time."

Posted by: navybrat at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (w7KSn)

136 >>>Yeah, and Michelle said "When they go low, we go high."

Well, they are the Choom party after all. She also fails to mentions how they were also low, as far as IQ goes.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (/qEW2)

137 121 The default desire of humans is not freedom, but "freedom for everyone fo behave exactly as I want them to." Look no further than your local HOA board (invariably run by old ladies) to see this in action.

Very people believe in "freedom for other people to be assholes to me". Hell, you can't even get the Libertarian Party to accept that premise anymore.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 11:51 AM (sNzC+)

I should check into that because I'd be very interested in seeing how to get on the board of it. I'll bet it's a rigged system.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (4ErVI)

138 Trashing Trump to score some points with the people that shit on you for decades?
Crawl back to your ranch GW.

Posted by: HamiltonNJ at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (sCjDS)

139 So far only tequila is left unmolested by the pumpkin spice craze.

Posted by: IC


You might not want to web search "pumpkin spice tequila" then...

Posted by: Baklava and Pie at Home at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (AM1GF)

140 The problem is that 47% of the voters have no stake in the system and they vote themselves a free lunch. Except that it is not 'free', we have to pay for it.
We need an Art V convention and an amendment that says you must pay some minimum amount to be able to vote. We had that when we were colonies by way of requiring voters to be property owners (which was the chief means of tax then).
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 20, 2017 11:47 AM (mpXpK)

Yup....and cut spending. When you see Granny Medicare and Grampa SSI marching alongside EBT Lacqrisha Wilson and Free Kollege Dreamer Juan Diablo Blanco demanding their benefits not be cut, then you will know the shit is getting real. Will never happen though. Too painful for the overgrown children who populate those demographics and the looters in office who depend on their votes.

Until then, just charge it. Your great grandkids can pay it off. No, really.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (nUkMr)

141 Pastry socks off. Tasty, tasty pastry.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (AM1GF)

142 >>>99 Has anybody been anywhere and NOT seen something that was PUMPKIN FRIGGING SPICE?


Pumpkin spice is to ladies as hops is to hipsters.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (sNzC+)

143
Very people believe in "freedom for other people to be assholes to me". Hell, you can't even get the Libertarian Party to accept that premise anymore.
Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 11:51 AM


Aren't they just open borders and weed these days?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (IqV8l)

144 The timing of Bush doing so now suggests that Bush & Co are tied to the Deep State. Am I wrong?

It does make me wonder why now. What prompted both him and Obama to run out to a microphone just as the Russian bribery scandal broke? Or was it just a slow reaction to Wienstein and wanting to shift the narrative?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (39g3+)

145 119 The timing of Bush doing so now suggests that Bush & Co are tied to the Deep State. Am I wrong?
--------------------------------

You're telling me the former head of the CIA (Bush Sr.) might be part of the deep state? Perish the thought!

Posted by: Boots at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (EBwPV)

146 "Never fall in love with a politician. They will break your heart, every time."


You can hurt your head on a desk too.

Posted by: Whoremonica at October 20, 2017 11:54 AM (7n4KQ)

147 The timing of Bush doing so now suggests that Bush & Co are tied to the Deep State. Am I wrong?

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 20, 2017 11:50 AM (cAXIk)


The George Bush Center for Intelligence.

Posted by: blaster at October 20, 2017 11:55 AM (GuzcK)

148 Biggest problem with Bush (among many) is that not only did he not stand up for himself (which is bad), but worse is that he didn't defend his supporters. That's far worse considering how many people held their nose and voted and supported him.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 20, 2017 11:55 AM (4ErVI)

149 101 And 4 years later - he was NOT John F'n Kerry.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:47 AM (7n4KQ)

Herman Munster as president... the thought makes me shudder.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 11:55 AM (CMbMd)

150 Has anybody been anywhere and NOT seen something that was PUMPKIN FRIGGING SPICE?
I'm having the oil changed in my SUV today and I fully expect them to offer some 5-30 Pumpkin Spice Castrol.Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (KeJ6l)

Ha, and they'll charge you extra for the privilege.

I kinda want the Sean Spicier Twitter account to change to "Sean Pumpkin Spicier", just for the fall season. Do eeeeet!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 11:55 AM (hvf9s)

151 It's the WSJ line. Anyone opposing gutting immigration laws is anti immigration LITERALLY HITLER!!!! ZOMG!!!!.

It's race baiting, dishonest and wearying.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 11:35 AM (326rv)


FIFY

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 20, 2017 11:55 AM (1kkde)

152 "...there is a significant slice of humanity that not
only doesn't want freedom but actually craves oppression.

---

Isn't it delicious?

Posted by: Mistress Midnight Flame at October 20, 2017 11:56 AM (PNcou)

153 where is Gold star mom Cindy when you need her to cowl GWB

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 20, 2017 11:56 AM (8RQER)

154 I am forever surprised by the low quality of the people elected to high office. I shouldn't be surprised but I am. Many are people I would be required to beat to death with a baseball bat should they come within a city block of my grandchildren.
Posted by: Northerlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years. at October 20, 2017 11:36 AM (nBr1j)

-------------

It's a direct reflection of the people who vote for these pieces of human debris. There are large sections of this country that don't deserve the freedom they have.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 11:56 AM (ZAAkQ)

155 Sure, they may yearn for freedom, but they have to come here to achieve it...for now. This kind of crap statement by Bush is illustrative of the death in the belief of American Exceptionalism. We are not all the same around the world. I guess that's why he could gaze into Putin's eyes and see a friend not an enemy. Shut up, already.

Posted by: no good deed at October 20, 2017 11:56 AM (eIQHF)

156 99 Has anybody been anywhere and NOT seen something that was PUMPKIN FRIGGING SPICE?

I'm having the oil changed in my SUV today and I fully expect them to offer some 5-30 Pumpkin Spice Castrol.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (KeJ6l)

I HATE pumpkin anything. So my favorite time of year is ruined with all this pumpkin spice crap everywhere.

Posted by: Tami at October 20, 2017 11:56 AM (Enq6K)

157 Ummmmm........ wasnt it the Left that coined the term "Fake News"??

I believe so. Which makes is so much fun to hear these losers react to the term they thought they could bludgeon Trump with

Posted by: Loser O'Donnell at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (RzUqr)

158 >>>So this guy wasn't arrested for starting a fire? I haven't seen this news.

It was a one off campfire. They put that fire out. I suppose you can't prove he didn't start the other ones, but they did not arrest him for any uncontrolled fires. And all evidence points to wind-downed power lines as the sources.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (sNzC+)

159 153 where is Gold star mom Cindy when you need her to cowl GWB
Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 20, 2017 11:56 AM (8RQER)

I think she's still waiting for AAA to tow her car out of the ditch outside of the Crawford ranch.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (7n4KQ)

160 Fvck off, Boosh! Look, the guy marries Laura, whose father wasn't just a big "D" democrat, he was a party operative. She spent her entire career in public education. Every last one of those soft-shelled, East Coast statist "Republicans" needs to retire to Kennebunkport and sit around in their Adirondack chairs and reminisce about the good old, Uniparty days.
They can ALL go to hell.
(Applaud, please...)

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (ty7RM)

161 Your criticism of Bush's statement is worse than dumb.

Natural rights/God-given freedom is a fundamental basis for our Constitution. When Bush says that "the desire for freedom...is the inborn hope of our humanity," your response should be, "yes, that's right." In fact, it's so non-controversial you shouldn't even feel the need to bring it up.

I would expect to find your actual response on a liberal blog, that "Freedom is pretty much a construct of Western Culture." That's standard liberal fare, that freedom and rights are a construct, mere conceit.

No doubt we had to fight for it. But the ideas for it were born in times and cultures that were no more free than many places in the world today. You badly miss the mark here.

Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (rY+Q1)

162 I had some minor surgery on my wrist about a week ago. Before hand, my doctor gave me two prescription, one for an antibiotic and also a pain-killer, that I would need after the surgery.

The painkiller is an opioid. After surgery I experienced very little pain. Friends tell me story after story of people becoming addicted to opioids from just small doses of the stuff, so why is a doctor handing this stuff out when its completely unnecessary?!?!

As each day goes by (and I'm now so confident I won't have any serious pain that I went ahead and threw away the pain killer) I get a little angrier at the doctor placing me in such danger for essentially no reason at all.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (ylUqT)

163 It's amazing how Trump flushes these globalists out. TDS - is real rampant in establishment D.C.

Posted by: Wincy at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (eorSe)

164 Pumpkin Spice Scented Enemas.

Posted by: Coming soon at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (mcI77)

165 Because I don't believe a damned thing any of you say. Your carefully parsed defenses of your reporting are obfuscations. You lie...overtly, by omission, or by manipulation. But you most definitely lie.

**fistbumps CBD**

This, most certainly.

Outside of Ace, Insty, Cold Fury and one or two other spots, my news and comment intake is from the web. I only interact with the MFM through the radio in the morning and the evening local paper. It is. . .interesting, though BP-raising, to listen and read and be able to clearly see through the lies.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2017 11:58 AM (X6fMO)

166 164 Pumpkin Spice Scented Enemas.
Posted by: Coming soon at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (mcI77)

how can you tell?

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 11:58 AM (7n4KQ)

167 >>> The default desire of humans is not freedom, but "freedom for everyone fo behave exactly as I want them to." Look no further than your local HOA board (invariably run by old ladies) to see this in action.

Ugh, I got elected to my HOA board this year. Shoot me now. But if I can prevent the creeping nanny stating of the board it'll be worth it. They unilaterally banned smoking, and I'm worried they are gonna try to ban pets next. (Like kids are any cleaner and they won't ban those.) They can pry my kitteh from my cold dead hands!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 11:58 AM (hvf9s)

168 Aren't they just open borders and weed these days?

Pretty much just open borders now. The weed thing is becoming legal everywhere. I'm fine with a lot of libertarians but the party its self and organized groups like at Reason are mostly leftist idiots.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (39g3+)

169 Yours is much better than my "Eight years of nothing and now this you @#$%43%$^*%^$#!!!"

Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (0tfLf)

That was my first version!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (wYseH)

170 I don't believe that the media makes up that many stories about Trump. They also DISTORT a lot of existing stories as well.

The pee-pee dossier is REAL. Totally fake, from my initial reading of the published fragments, but it's a real fake. And the stupid briefing that security agencies had with the president about something that they should have spotted as fake--that's real too. And allowed the press to publish stories about the pee-pee dossier.

And the Dem concern about Russia fixing the election for Trump is real--the concern, not the case. And the news just covered that--and distorted what they could.

Trump really called Sgt Johnson's widow. And he may have said that Sgt. Johnson knew what he was signing up for--because we don't always say things the way we should (but I'm not suggesting that the widow wasn't just triggered by certain words that "sounded that way" from a person she knew was a VeryHorribleHorriblePerson. When you're listening to a VeryHorribleHorriblePerson, you're going to look for words where they confirm themselves to be the VeryHorribleHorriblePerson that we take them to be, and then in relief everything they say can be weighed in the light that you believe that they said something to prove they are the VeryHorribleHorriblePerson that you took them to be--this is how "dog-whistle" "logic" works. If I take X to be a racist, then when they say "Chicago" it might be to express racism--since I have found that racism in their speech, everything else can be interpreted in the light of the revealed hidden racism of the VeryHorribleHorriblePerson.)

Still, the press makes up very few stories. Distortion of actual events is the key.

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (2mC6G)

171 160 Fvck off, Boosh! Look, the guy marries Laura, whose father wasn't just a big "D" democrat, he was a party operative. She spent her entire career in public education.

She also killed a girl.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (mcI77)

172 Wooga - thanks for the info.

Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (oiNtH)

173 Look no further than your local HOA board (invariably run by old ladies) to see this in action.

But what they want is freedom, they don't want other people's rules. They want things to go their way and nobody telling them what to do.

People who truly believe in freedom believe in it for others, not just themselves.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:00 PM (39g3+)

174 organized groups like at Reason are mostly leftist idiots.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (39g3+)

Every once and awhile they write some good stuff, but their reflexive open borders and hatred of tradition makes me cringe.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 12:00 PM (wYseH)

175 Which is why I'm furious that the tax reform currently being floated by the White House has EXPANDED the -0- tax bracket, not eliminated it.

EVERYBODY should pay something, even if it's a 5% bracket. Otherwise the freeloaders will ALWAYS oppose lowering taxes, because they don't pay taxes anyway so of course the "rich" should pay more.

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My dream law:

Any year the budget is in deficit, the next year there is a flat 1% tax on all income.

If the deficit persists, it goes up 1% each year.

If the budget is in surplus, it goes back down again, by 1% per year.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:00 PM (PNcou)

176 Remember when Bush eloquently used his bully pulpit to warn us about the impending, Dem-created, sub-prime loan crisis?

Over 10 times he made speeches about that, actually. Talking to congress, telling them they had to fix Fannie and Freddie. Telling them finance reform had to happen. Congress wanted no part of that and, well?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM (39g3+)


Yes, I believe Barney Frank and Friends were screaming at Bush from the other side about how he was wrong, he was racists, he wanted to deny blacks and the poor the ability to own a home, etc.

I'm not happy with Bush's speech yesterday, but 1. The media is doing all it can to promote the speech as a "Hate Trump " speech.
2. Let's not start revising history because we are pissed at Bush. He did plenty of stupid crap during his tenure, especially when trying to prevent "Muslim backlash" and thinking. like a good progressive Methodist, that all one had to do was be inclusive and the problem would lessen.

The decisions made to fight the war on terror can be looked at now as having good and bad. The problem is trying to remove the bad, such as the mess made with the creation of Homeland Security, and the combining of different intelligence and military departments, etc. Much of what was done was done with good intentions. The problem is the next administration used those intentions to turn on the American people and now it takes an outsider without political ambitions to reverse that.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (q8GYT)

177 She also killed a girl.
Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (mcI77)

Just one kill? Pikers.

Posted by: The Clinton Crime Family at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (ul9CR)

178
Rush retracted that news item yesterday.
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So this guy wasn't arrested for starting a fire? I haven't seen this news.
Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2017 11:52 AM


http://tinyurl.com/y99pat2r

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (IqV8l)

179 George P Bush can suck my left nut if he thinks he's EVER getting my vote for anything.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (FZxI4)

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Left from your perspective, or his?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (PNcou)

180 The default motivation for humans is 'more stuff, less cost'.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (m9X4Y)

181 >>> Ummmmm........ wasnt it the Left that coined the term "Fake News"??

And Truthiness. We just needed actual set definitions for what we were already doing in order to blame the right for it!

Posted by: SJW MFM WTF LOL at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (hvf9s)

182 But what they want is freedom, they don't want other people's rules. They want things to go their way and nobody telling them what to do.


Just like a toddler. And when they don't get it, they put on black scarfs and throw tantrums.

Posted by: Roy at October 20, 2017 12:02 PM (7n4KQ)

183 The Libertarian Party is still "pro-liberty" on weed and unrestricted borders. But they have abandoned freedom of contract (because bake that cake h8r) and freedom of religion (because love trumps h and freedom of self-defense (because guns kill people!) and so on.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 12:02 PM (sNzC+)

184 There are children of JEB and GWB who are starting the cursus honorum in TX and FL.

They've got a tough row to hoe ... hiccup.

Posted by: Patches Kennedy at October 20, 2017 12:02 PM (RzUqr)

185 What say you and I go for a little drive along the coast, eh?
Posted by: Ted "The Lion" Kennedy at October 20, 2017 11:49 AM (2Mnv1)

Dear Kennedy clan:

I am a proud member of the one Ulster Scot clans that you Irish folks are SO terribly fond of. You still haven't been able to exterminate us after more than 400 years of trying.

And BTW, fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life you inbred half-wit.

Posted by: CyberCipher at October 20, 2017 12:02 PM (p6WoB)

186 I regret every moment I spoke up in defense of GWB. He has buddied-up with his detractors and was silent during 8 years of undermining our country (rightfully and respectfully so, Jimmy Carter) and now he speaks. His not speaking and defending his positions while in office was pathetic and now he continues to be a part of the problem...not the solution.

Posted by: Sharon W at October 20, 2017 12:02 PM (R0yq0)

187 I don't think there are late night meetings at the Washington Times to just make up crap about Trump. Nobody at CNN is sitting at a keyboard just inventing nonsense.

The problems come when they hear a rumor, or someone's guess, or some crank at the White House who hates Trump and heard something, and they run with that not caring if its true or not.

If you cannot confirm or support a story, then don't run it. It doesn't matter how juicy or important it is. Or if you cannot, then run the story of "lots of rumors about x" but don't run "Trump choosing Mitt Romney as chief of staff" stories because the White House Janitor said so, or you were slipped a text by Mitt Romney's publicist.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (39g3+)

188 174 Every once and awhile they write some good stuff, but their reflexive open borders and hatred of tradition makes me cringe.



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 12:00 PM (wYseH)


Just like with the Commies, it's "I HATE YOU, DADDY!!!" all the way down.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (CMbMd)

189 Why is it that these people can't fight for freedom in their own damn country? The Poles seem to have been able to do it. Let the Mexicans sort out their love for freedom in Mexico.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (JKNZq)

190
I am waiting for the day when the news retracts itself and implodes into a black hole, ripping the time/space continuum and cause the singularity.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (m9X4Y)

191 Remember Suzy Tadpole from junior high? She had this pink cashmere sweater that her mother made her wear, she was embarrassed because it was completely out of fashion.

But yeah, who remembers what was "in" that month. It was budding young womanhood straining against what must be -- in your mind, you had never touched the cashmere -- the lushest fabric in the world. And the way she twirled her hair during quiet time. She probably didn't even know she was twirling her hair, but there was something about it that made your heart and your loins ache.

Remember all the mute and impotent passion you were capable of in junior high?

Well, here's the thing. It doesn't matter if Suzy Tadpole ended up on the meth pipe or married to a doctor with 4.2 perfectly well-adjusted children and a summer place in Hatteras.

What matters is that she's gone. That Suzy Tadpole was an ephemeral glisten in the mists of time. All of that longing and emotion was for a thing that isn't any more and never could be. Also you blew it at the time because you didn't have the guts to talk to her.

Also that would have been a waste of time because she'd have blown you off like the loser you know you are, deep inside, even if everyone else sees the happy-go-lucky kid who gets along with everyone.

Loser.

Now eat a fucking Danish and feel good for the two stinking minutes of peace you get to eat it and then go back to your stupid sodden life.

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)

192 Are they including law enforcement in those carry numbers???? Probably..... dumb asses.

Posted by: lin-duh meh out and about at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (/8r1I)

193 "I am a proud member of the one Ulster Scot clans that you Irish folks are SO terribly fond of. You still haven't been able to exterminate us after more than 400 years of trying. "

I don't get this

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (cAXIk)

194 Ha, and they'll charge you extra for the privilege.

I kinda want the Sean Spicier Twitter account to change to "Sean Pumpkin Spicier", just for the fall season. Do eeeeet!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 11:55 AM (hvf9s)



Suggest it to him. He's clearly got a sense of humor so he might.

Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 12:04 PM (cAnNx)

195 The painkiller is an opioid. After surgery I experienced very little pain. Friends tell me story after story of people becoming addicted to opioids from just small doses of the stuff, so why is a doctor handing this stuff out when its completely unnecessary?!?!

That's simply not true. Opioids, when used to treat legitimate pain have almost zero addiction responses. This war on painkillers is completely f'd up.
Just a bunch of trial lawyers getting all horny about The Very Big Settlement.
See also: tobacco.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 20, 2017 12:04 PM (ty7RM)

196 I would expect to find your actual response on a liberal blog, that "Freedom is pretty much a construct of Western Culture." That's standard liberal fare, that freedom and rights are a construct, mere conceit.

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Freedom for me and not for thee is what is normal in history.

Freedom for me and AND Thee is the great achievement of the West.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:04 PM (PNcou)

197 Every once and awhile they write some good stuff, but their reflexive open borders and hatred of tradition makes me cringe.

Yeah you can still get good content from Reason, but its surrounded by crap. It seems to me that most libertarians are driven not by a love of liberty but a desire for their personal vice to be normalized and legalized.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:04 PM (39g3+)

198 Fvck off, Boosh! Look, the guy marries Laura, whose father wasn't just a big "D" democrat, he was a party operative. She spent her entire career in public education.

She also killed a girl.
Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (mcI77)

Laura Bush was a librarian. I don't know of any private libraries
She had a car wreck as a teenager in which the other car's occupant was killed.

Both of you are disgusting.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (q8GYT)

199 8 years of where the hell are you and come out say this crap now?

Posted by: Eggo at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (D4xED)

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (ty7RM)

201 Isn't it delicious?


It's magically delicious!

Posted by: Lucky Charms Leprechaun at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (htrDF)

202 Go Cubs Go...

Go Cubs Go...

Hey Chicago, what do you say?

The Cubs are goin' golfing today...

Posted by: Too Soon? at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (IhBhD)

203 Donald's hair is pumpkin spice flavored this month too

Posted by: Melania at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (PNcou)

204 But what they want is freedom, they don't want other people's rules. They want things to go their way and nobody telling them what to do.

People who truly believe in freedom believe in it for others, not just themselves.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Too many people who say they want "freedom" actually mean "power". It's a result of zero-sum thinking and once again has reduced a term to uselessness.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (AM1GF)

205
The default motivation for humans is 'more stuff, less cost'.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


Buy one, get one FREE!
And FREE shipping!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (IqV8l)

206 201 Isn't it delicious?


It's magically delicious!
Posted by: Lucky Charms Leprechaun at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (htrDF)

Meh.

Posted by: Kaboom Clown at October 20, 2017 12:06 PM (72PAC)

207 Freedom for me and AND Thee is the great achievement of the West.

The Christian West.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:07 PM (QQ+il)

208 Just like a toddler. And when they don't get it, they put on black scarfs and throw tantrums.

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don't forget us

Posted by: Rocks and Molotov cocktails at October 20, 2017 12:07 PM (PNcou)

209 Tonight, that lovable small market team from The Bronx will knock the snot out of Mr Kate Upton. Can't wait.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 20, 2017 12:07 PM (cAXIk)

210 81,
"I remember most America loving citizens just wanted our homeland to
function and appear respectable. GW and Laura were exactly that as
opposed to Gore."



Most America loving citizens didn't think of the word "homeland" in relation to America. Like "fatherland" and "motherland" it was rather foreign sounding. And then the monster of DHS was born. Bush was it's father and Tom Daschle its rotten womb.

Posted by: geoffb at October 20, 2017 12:07 PM (zOpu5)

211 Thank you, PDT. Still not tired of winning!

Posted by: that's what she said at October 20, 2017 12:07 PM (CjE8v)

212 The Libertarian Party is still "pro-liberty" on weed and unrestricted borders. But they have abandoned freedom of contract (because bake that cake h8r) and freedom of religion (because love trumps h and freedom of self-defense (because guns kill people!) and so on.
Posted by: wooga

Don't forget the love of a carbon tax. Very liberty oriented.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:08 PM (326rv)

213 Too many people who say they want "freedom" actually mean "power". It's a result of zero-sum thinking and once again has reduced a term to uselessness.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (AM1GF)



What I really, really want?

To be left alone.

That's it. I have zero desire for power over others. I just want to be left alone.

Unfortunately, I live in California.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 12:08 PM (YqDXo)

214 After surgery I experienced very little pain.

Lucky for you. Honestly, I'd rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them. I spent an extended period on hydrocodone for my back pain before and after surgery. I wouldn't have been able to function without it, and I have a very high pain threshold. I did experience physical withdrawals when I was finally able to stop using them. It was relatively mild nausea, night sweats, chills, and a jacked up stomach for about three days. That was it.

Posted by: no good deed at October 20, 2017 12:08 PM (eIQHF)

215 Tonight, that lovable small market team from The Bronx will knock the snot out of Mr Kate Upton.

Didn't work out so well last time they tried.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:08 PM (39g3+)

216 >> Tonight, that lovable small market team from The Bronx will knock the snot out of Mr Kate Upton. Can't wait.


Bite your tongue.

Knock on wood.

Make an offering to Jobu.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2017 12:08 PM (IhBhD)

217 I don't get this
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (cAXIk)

Google "plantation of Ulster". It's the history of northern Ireland.

Posted by: CyberCipher at October 20, 2017 12:09 PM (p6WoB)

218 The illegal alien that started the fire and killed 50+/- people should be called an "Assault Illegal Alien." We need to ban any and all illegal aliens because they are killing machines.

As to why GWB spoke out yesterday, to take the heat of their best buds the Clintons and their traitorous uranium felonies.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 20, 2017 12:09 PM (3BFzK)

219 I've decided the Left is right. GWB does look just like the monkey.

Posted by: Caliban at October 20, 2017 12:09 PM (DrC22)

220 Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball?!?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:09 PM (QQ+il)

221 You can't MAKE people thirst for freedom.
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I thirst for jizz and tyranny. Mostly jizz.

Posted by: Barry! at October 20, 2017 12:09 PM (vg8iE)

222 Has anybody been anywhere and NOT seen something that was PUMPKIN FRIGGING SPICE?

I'm having the oil changed in my SUV today and I fully expect them to offer some 5-30 Pumpkin Spice Castro
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There was a joke I saw on the Instagram.

Was a photo of an oil change place offering a pumpkin spice oil change.

Comment was, "Becky's gonna fall for it."

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 20, 2017 12:10 PM (sUh6s)

223 148 - I'm not so sure about the not standing up for himself criticism. To an extent, I think this is a matter of style and personality; W. could no more be a bomb thrower than Trump could be urbane. I don't think Trump's attack-dog behavior is a matter of principle; it's just who he is (and it's for the better in the current environment, I think).

There's some hindsight bias too. As savaged as Bush was on occasion, I don't think he endured what Trump has faced. Politics has become more pervasive and intrusive and far nastier. I think it progressively got worse during Obama's tenure (though I'm not sure I'd lay all the blame on him; the rise of social media has revealed how unsociable a lot of folks are and made their behavior harder to avoid).

The W. was too decent/not aggressive enough sentiment - did it exist when W. was in office? I don't recall it. The sentiment seems like an reflection of our present politics.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 12:10 PM (ppBhU)

224 Crispian, I take it you've never lived outside the US?
It is extremely naive to believe that humans naturally yearn for true freedom. It is only a small portion that do, and for a few hundred years that minority self-selected to become the American population. That uniquely American mindset is completely contrary to the vast majority of the world.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 12:10 PM (sNzC+)

225 201 Isn't it delicious?


It's magically delicious!
Posted by: Lucky Charms Leprechaun at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (htrDF)

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bring that pot of gold and i'll grant you some naughty wishes

Posted by: Mistress Midnight Flame at October 20, 2017 12:10 PM (PNcou)

226 You promise you'll laugh. So will I, and so will millions more.

If I hear it from the MSM, my first impulse is to doubt it.

Posted by: Nancy at October 20, 2017 12:10 PM (spc1Z)

227 Most America loving citizens didn't think of the word "homeland" in relation to America. Like "fatherland" and "motherland" it was rather foreign sounding. And then the monster of DHS was born. Bush was it's father and Tom Daschle its rotten womb

^^ agreed. Makes me feel like the lady in the picture that accompanied the NYtimes story about how women had better sex under communism.

still don't like the word -

Posted by: number 4 at October 20, 2017 12:10 PM (RzUqr)

228 Loser.
Now eat a fucking Danish and feel good for the two stinking minutes of peace you get to eat it and then go back to your stupid sodden life.
Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)

Oh my, what brought that on? On the budding cusp of a glorious weekend no less. Am I missing something?

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:11 PM (hvf9s)

229 220 Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball?!?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:09 PM (QQ+il)

Reports say he might not even be able to hold a bat.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 20, 2017 12:11 PM (4ErVI)

230 Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (rY+Q1)

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You need to read the Dildo's post again. Fredo and his minions came very close to purposely destroying everything that Bush (and you) are talking about. Bush remained totally silent during those eight years.

Trump is trying to pick up the pieces of that destruction and return this nation to it's previous roll of being the beacon of real freedom.

And Bush suddenly finds his voice and criticizes this?

Fuck Bush.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 12:11 PM (ZAAkQ)

231 So have the lefties rescinded W's honorary Hitler status, or is the jury still out on that until he "evolves" more?

Posted by: tu3031 at October 20, 2017 12:11 PM (O5Q3r)

232 Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)



Wow. They are getting awfully nasty and verbose. I think it is best not to ingest them.

Posted by: Lucky Charms Leprechaun at October 20, 2017 12:11 PM (htrDF)

233 The Default setting for Humanity is Selfishness.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2017 12:12 PM (IhBhD)

234 What I really, really want?

To be left alone.

That's it. I have zero desire for power over others. I just want to be left alone.

--

Well, if you insist...

now what are we going to do with all this pudding?

Posted by: Swedish Bikini Team at October 20, 2017 12:12 PM (PNcou)

235 Has anybody been anywhere and NOT seen something that was PUMPKIN FRIGGING SPICE?

You should find the pumpkin spiced tampon from Tampax spoof. As was previously noted, I AM disgusting.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 20, 2017 12:12 PM (ty7RM)

236 J. J. Sefton was right about the water bottle. I sprayed cat twice for jumping on kitchen table and then planting herself for it. I sprayed once and she jumped off, second time I had to do it again. Third time I took bottle and she only had to see if and jumped down.

Now I have to stop her from scratching carpet. I was hitting her paw lightly. All she wants is attention and I'm giving it to her. I know her foster parent was at work all day and she is starved for affection and attention, perfect time of year for me to rescue her.

BBL.

Posted by: Carol at October 20, 2017 12:12 PM (NKOy9)

237 That is a worship word, Yang worship. You will not speak it.

Posted by: Cloud William at October 20, 2017 12:12 PM (IqV8l)

238 >>>It is only a small portion that do, and for a few hundred years that minority self-selected to become the American population.

So you are saying they were not all born here? They had to come here?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:13 PM (5DBsn)

239 I suspect some here think that the Nikki Haley response to the SCOAMF's last SotU totally wasn't targeted at Trump either.

Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 12:13 PM (cAnNx)

240 123
Remember when Bush eloquently used his bully pulpit to warn us about the impending, Dem-created, sub-prime loan crisis?



Over 10 times he made speeches about that, actually. Talking to
congress, telling them they had to fix Fannie and Freddie. Telling them
finance reform had to happen. Congress wanted no part of that and,
well?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

F Congress. Why wasn't Bush on TV talking to the 'Murican people???

Posted by: SFGoth at October 20, 2017 12:13 PM (dZ756)

241 Fallen populace, fallen nation. Not that hard to figure out.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, #FireSessions at October 20, 2017 11:46 AM (AM1GF)

Brother Cavil, I'm stealing this. It succinctly explains our overall predicament. But will stealing your prose make me even more fallen?

Posted by: jeannebodine at October 20, 2017 12:13 PM (Km7y2)

242 Too many people who say they want "freedom" actually mean "power". It's a result of zero-sum thinking and once again has reduced a term to uselessness.

This is a very neat encapsulation I haven't seen before, and goes a long way to unraveling the leftist "Freedom not to be offended" type of backward and reductive nonsense. Freedom means me doing what I like and not necessarily you doing what you like and what I like is for you to do what I want you to do, therefore my 'freedom' comes from power at your expense.

Literally insane, but structured. Rejects even the possibility of less power being wielded in general, because it's not "what I like".

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 12:13 PM (HtLSE)

243 Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball?!?

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Can't get a visa. In detention at the airport.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 20, 2017 12:14 PM (m9X4Y)

244 That uniquely American mindset is completely contrary to the vast majority of the world.
Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 12:10 PM (sNzC+)


This.

I thought Europeans were more or less the same as Americans, and in many respects they are, but in living there occasionally they'd slip and say/do something utterly foreign to the American psyche. (In connection with, e.g., free speech.)

Only then did I realize what conservatives had meant in the Sixties when they said that something was "un-American." At the time, we laughed at them. Now, I understand.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 12:14 PM (YqDXo)

245 Most Americans, left and right, want serfdom under a benevolent monarch.

The entire damn argument is over the definition of benevolent.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 20, 2017 12:14 PM (I2iQh)

246 Google "plantation of Ulster". It's the history of northern Ireland. Posted by: CyberCipher at October 20, 2017 12:09 PM (p6WoB)

Does this history involve time traveling nubile women from the 1940s getting it on with strapping Scottish lads in kilts? Because that kind of history seems to be all the rage right now.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:14 PM (hvf9s)

247 Yes.

Loki: [to crowd] Kneel before me. I said...KNEEL! Is not this simpler? Is this not your natural state? It's the unspoken truth of humanity that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power. For identity. You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel.

German Old Man: [Stands] Not to men like you.

Loki: There are no men like me.

German Old Man: There are always men like you.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 20, 2017 12:15 PM (rnAwa)

248 Come on...we are irresistible. And pretty. So what if people slobbered on us & we are full of germs. You will eat us and like us anyway!

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels are delicious at October 20, 2017 11:53 AM (htrDF)


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Hey, my slobber is the ambrosia of the gods, nothing germy about it at all. Lotta guys would pay good money to have me slobber all over them.

Posted by: Ariana Grande at October 20, 2017 12:15 PM (/qEW2)

249 plenty of people would be perfectly happy if the government supplied all their needs. For those people, the difference between freedom and tyranny depends on whether the government also forces them to go to work every day.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 20, 2017 12:15 PM (ILitO)

250 The "hate Trump" soundbites in the GWB speech were not accidents. They were there purposefully to be picked up as the soundbites for the press to push as the heart of the speech. The other stuff was there as cover for the passive-aggressive hit job.

Posted by: geoffb at October 20, 2017 12:16 PM (zOpu5)

251 This is a very neat encapsulation I haven't seen before, and goes a long way to unraveling the leftist "Freedom not to be offended" type of backward and reductive nonsense.


The obvious problem with "freedom not to be offended:" what happens when two people's such freedom are mutually exclusive?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 12:16 PM (YqDXo)

252 A major part of why DJT has experienced so much vitriol in his presidency is that he pulled back the curtain on the GOPe and its lying liars who lie, and he rolled right over the Clinton Crime Family and took away the first female president trophy, and the cementing into place American Socialism Well On Its Way To Communism.

It was within their grasp and he took it. And we have 4, hopefully 8 years to undo all their carefully laid plans.

And they are psychotically angry on both sides about it.

Posted by: Boots at October 20, 2017 12:16 PM (EBwPV)

253 Oh my, what brought that on? On the budding cusp of a glorious weekend no less. Am I missing something?

Posted by: LizLem


People are trying to resist the lovely pastries and bagels in the breakroom. I happen to be the one tray of sugared carbs that has insight into the weaknesses, broken souls, and failings of most mortals. I'm just speaking their language.

You, on the other hand, are lovely and uncomplicated. I'll just tell you about how the veggie cream cheese has the freshest chives and green pepper and will be just delightful on a toasted onion bagel.

You want me because I am good. The others want me because they are depraved.

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 12:16 PM (gIRsn)

254 Too many people who say they want "freedom" actually mean "power". It's a result of zero-sum thinking and once again has reduced a term to uselessness.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at October 20, 2017 12:05 PM (AM1GF)


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Croiky! They've cottoned to us! The jig's up.

Posted by: FD "4 freedoms" R, Sandra Fluke at October 20, 2017 12:16 PM (/qEW2)

255 W Jeb.

The Vanilla Bros.


Posted by: dananjcon at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (WLK0w)

256 Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball?!?
I'm not sure, but I did hear this:

JESUS SAVES...







...but Gretzky SCORES ON THE REBOUND!!!!!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (ty7RM)

257 Can you remember why you voted for this guy?


I voted Nader in 2000. 2004, not Kerry. No big surprises that W is a sour puss.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (2e4jS)

258 F Congress. Why wasn't Bush on TV talking to the 'Murican people???

The speeches were televised, nobody cared. Press didn't want to talk about it. When Bush did a speech, all he got was mockery and contempt.

Look I'm annoyed at the guy too, I think he's a globalist jackwagon who destroyed the Republican party. But he wasn't all wrong. Like I said last night: he was better than the alternatives. Much better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (39g3+)

259 Does this history involve time traveling nubile women from the 1940s getting it on with strapping Scottish lads in kilts? Because that kind of history seems to be all the rage right now.
Posted by: LizLem

That is weirder than words. Is this character supposedly able to travel at will? I thought that she got shipped back accidentally.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (326rv)

260 I am confused. Do posters agree with Loki from the Avengers movie?

:::baffled:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (5DBsn)

261 Most America loving citizens didn't think of the
word "homeland" in relation to America. Like "fatherland" and
"motherland" it was rather foreign sounding. And then the monster of DHS
was born. Bush was it's father and Tom Daschle its rotten womb. Posted by: geoffb at October 20, 2017 12:07 PM (zOpu5)
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Me too! I found it totally jarring. At least I'm not the only one.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (MIKMs)

262 It's a result of zero-sum thinking

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it's far worse than a zero sum as there is a maximum level of freedom one can attain.

We can all live where each of us has 50% freedom (whatever that means)

Or where one has 100% freedom and all others have 0%

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:17 PM (PNcou)

263 i always thought the media and the commies were full of shit when it came to W's ignorance. Hell, they were right. He's even worse than advertised. The dude should have kept his mouth shut. At least the doubt would have remained. He removed all doubt yesterday. Total globalist asshole. Saddam tried to kill my daddy! Islam, is a religion of peace.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 20, 2017 12:18 PM (KP5rU)

264 Literally insane, but structured. Rejects even the possibility of less power being wielded in general, because it's not "what I like".
Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 12:13 PM (HtLSE)


You describe Trigglypuff and her understanding of free speech that is less sophisticated than what we should teach six year olds.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 20, 2017 12:18 PM (rnAwa)

265 198 Fvck off, Boosh! Look, the guy marries Laura, whose father wasn't just a big "D" democrat, he was a party operative. She spent her entire career in public education.

She also killed a girl.
Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (mcI77)

Laura Bush was a librarian. I don't know of any private libraries
She had a car wreck as a teenager in which the other car's occupant was killed.
She also killed a girl.
Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 11:59 AM (mcI77)

Laura Bush was a librarian. I don't know of any private libraries
She had a car wreck as a teenager in which the other car's occupant was killed. "

I didn't hold her profession or the fact that she was in that car accident against her when I voted for her husband. I'm not going to suddenly attack her about it because I'm pissed at her husband.

I thought leftists were low scum when they accused her of killing someone. My ex-BIL killed someone when he was 16. A drunk walked right in front of his car and he panicked and didn't hit the brakes immediately. He had only had his license for 2 weeks when it happened and he wouldn't get behind the wheel of a car for 2 years after that until his dad finally forced him to.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans amepesands at the present time) at October 20, 2017 12:18 PM (ZM2xo)

266 >>Does this history involve time traveling nubile women from the 1940s getting it on with strapping Scottish lads in kilts? Because that kind of history seems to be all the rage right now.


Not quite.

Posted by: Bear with Big, Fuzzy, Asymmetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 12:19 PM (IhBhD)

267 260 I am confused. Do posters agree with Loki from the Avengers movie?

:::baffled:::

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Posters think most people would love to be Loki.

But there can be only one

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:19 PM (PNcou)

268 Does this history involve time traveling nubile women from the 1940s getting it on with strapping Scottish lads in kilts? Because that kind of history seems to be all the rage right now.
Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:14 PM (hvf9s)

Harvey Weinstein and his pals have done this to you. Get help.

Posted by: CyberCipher at October 20, 2017 12:20 PM (p6WoB)

269 German Old Man: There are always men like you.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 20, 2017 12:15 PM (rnAwa)

It baffles me how Joss Whedon could write this and SJWs can watch it and completely miss the actual point of it. Still be socialist commies. Even a blind pig can find truffles now and then I suppose.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:20 PM (hvf9s)

270 Laura Bush has nothing to with W's ass raping of the country. That's not cool.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 20, 2017 12:21 PM (KP5rU)

271 Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom,

Listen buddy, you're no pizza.

Posted by: Pizza in the Breakroom at Lunch at October 20, 2017 12:21 PM (sUh6s)

272 I'm not happy with Bush's speech yesterday, but 1. The media is doing all it can to promote the speech as a "Hate Trump " speech.


Posted by: Jen the original at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (q8GYT)


And Bush's silence on how the media is portraying it is either 1) Characteristic of Bush's silence on soooo many things or 2) He feels the characterization is appropriate.



Posted by: Tami at October 20, 2017 12:21 PM (Enq6K)

273 "Natural rights/God-given freedom is a fundamental basis for our
Constitution. When Bush says that "the desire for freedom...is the
inborn hope of our humanity," your response should be, "yes, that's
right." In fact, it's so non-controversial you shouldn't even feel the
need to bring it up."


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Believing that freedom, individual liberty, is a God given natural right doesn't mean people crave it. The U.S. military pretty much gave us, and maintains, our freedoms.

Posted by: Javems at October 20, 2017 12:21 PM (yOqwj)

274 The obvious problem with "freedom not to be offended:" what happens when two people's such freedom are mutually exclusive?

Worse, being offended by somebody involves a surrender of power to another person, to some extent. It is literally giving up power, and then complaining that you don't have the ability to control how another person uses the power that you gave them.

It's the interpersonal offense version of a fucking NY windshield-washer: I washed your windows when you didn't ask and now you have to pay me - the most demented reverse of freedom of association imaginable.

Now where was it I saw the "I gave you something you didn't want now you have to give me something" mechanic in action last? Oh, right, MY EIGHT YEAR OLD SPOILED COUSIN

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 12:21 PM (HtLSE)

275 "Freedom for me and AND Thee is the great achievement of the West."
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:04 PM (PNcou)

Yes, but that is not contrary to Bush's quote above.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 12:11 PM (ZAAkQ)

Soona, like Buzzsaw, you're criticism something other than Bush actually said in the quote CBD finds so offensive on its face. I deal with liberals day-in/out who can only spout righteous anger based on a single quote. That's what we see on college campuses. A total inability to engage in substantive discourse.

If we want to criticism Bush's timing or the purpose of a speech, fine. Make that argument. But taking Bush to task for the quote in question - which is all CBD does here - is as dumb as I described.

Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 12:21 PM (rY+Q1)

276 >>>Posters think most people would love to be Loki.

Not in my circles. I never saw too many kids running around in Loki costumes either. Must be a regional thing.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:22 PM (5DBsn)

277 You, on the other hand, are lovely and uncomplicated. I'll just tell you about how the veggie cream cheese has the freshest chives and green pepper and will be just delightful on a toasted onion bagel. You want me because I am good. The others want me because they are depraved.Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 12:16 PM (gIRsn)

Aww, you are sweet. And that bagel does sound good actually!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:22 PM (hvf9s)

278 69
As to W...if the Iraq and A-stan interventions taught us anything it is
that there is a significant slice of humanity that not only doesn't want
freedom but actually craves oppression. You can't MAKE people thirst
for freedom.

Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 20, 2017 11:42 AM (RD7QR)

Facts schmacts!!

Posted by: rifraf at October 20, 2017 12:22 PM (idwi/)

279 267 Posters think most people would love to be Loki.

But there can be only one

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:19 PM (PNcou)

But first, you will blow me.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 12:23 PM (CMbMd)

280 Loser.

Now eat a fucking Danish and feel good for the two stinking minutes of peace you get to eat it and then go back to your stupid sodden life.

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)


I don't like Danish.

Howzabout you transform into a six-pack and then we'll talk?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2017 12:23 PM (X6fMO)

281 I also enjoyed W and the rest of the Republican Morons (but I repeat myself) whose immediate response to Muslims crashing airplanes into buildings was to domestically spy on every damn American ... and call it the fucking Patriot Act, no less.

Who could not see that turning out poorly. Well, a whole lot of slack-jawed Republicans apparently.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 20, 2017 12:23 PM (I2iQh)

282 What I really, really want?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 12:08 PM (YqDXo)

Ha ha ha ha ha
Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah

Posted by: Spice Girls, featuring Punpkin Spice at October 20, 2017 12:24 PM (htrDF)

283 Problems with Trump:

-Not "one of us" from the right clubs etc (picture the club Dan Akroyd belonged to in Trading Places)
-Fights back, its so uncivilized
-Speaks like ordinary people rather than sophisticates
-Opposes globalism, loves nation
-Won't play along with GOPe
-Makes fun of GOPe

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:25 PM (39g3+)

284 I used to say of Ws crew that if you tried to carry their water for them they'd rip the bucket from your hand, punch a hole in the bottom and hand it back.

Ws congenital inability to stand up for himself and by extension his voters is why we got Trump.

Posted by: blaster at October 20, 2017 12:25 PM (1hy/q)

285

I'm not sure Americans have that mindset anymore. The culture is very different, far more risk-averse than it once was. Even in seemingly apoltical ways. Helicopter parenting, for example, is antithetical to freedom. No child can learn to be independent, self-reliant in that environment. But parents seem determined to raise their kids in this fashion regardless of political or religious leanings. As near as I can tell, children have a mere fraction of the freedom that I did growing up.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 12:25 PM (ppBhU)

286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at October 20, 2017 12:26 PM (3BFzK)

287 40 Oz To Freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwkVWK8XnY

Posted by: SUBLIME at October 20, 2017 12:26 PM (IhBhD)

288 I ordered Salty Caramel Pumpkin tea from Simpson and Vail. I usually don't do stuff like that but they sent us a sample. (First one free!) It was tasty.

And you reminded me that my husband bought donuts yesterday. BRB

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 20, 2017 12:26 PM (JKNZq)

289 Now eat a fucking Danish and feel good for the two stinking minutes of peace you get to eat it and then go back to your stupid sodden life.

Posted by: Pastries and Bagels in the Breakroom at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)

Got anything with hemlock? Then I won't have to go back to my stupid sodden life.

Posted by: Insomniac - Getting Microaggressed on the Daily, Yo! at October 20, 2017 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

290
Those freedom loving Iraqis we liberated are ready to put the hammer down on the freedom loving Kurdish people

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 20, 2017 12:27 PM (PtOP4)

291 I'm not sure Americans have that mindset anymore. The culture is very different, far more risk-averse than it once was. Even in seemingly apoltical ways. Helicopter parenting, for example, is antithetical to freedom. No child can learn to be independent, self-reliant in that environment. But parents seem determined to raise their kids in this fashion regardless of political or religious leanings. As near as I can tell, children have a mere fraction of the freedom that I did growing up.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 12:25 PM (ppBhU)

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This is true.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 12:27 PM (ZAAkQ)

292 I have always thought that GWB was at heart a decent man with true ideals.
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Yeah, during his presidency kept thinking he's going to do the right thing. Well, NO. At every opportunity, and there were many, he took the establishment road and screwed us and every other individual on this planet.

Wait, wait, he did do more than anyone else to help stop Aids in Africa. So that's one thing.

Posted by: gNewt - and don't forget your mosquito net at October 20, 2017 12:27 PM (08Did)

293 To document something for the Banana Splits Jerk, who was surprised I thought that Obama and Bush's speeches yesterday were coordinated; every left wing opinion rag is celebrating that coordination between them today.

Bush waits 9 years to make an official public policy statement. Obama waits nearly a year after he leaves office to do the same. When they do, they both make their speeches within hours of each other, saying essentially the same thing, using the same phrases, hammering the same themes.

and BSG thinks that's just a miraculous coincidence.

Just one example, but I could quote many: (and remember, this is from a left wing mag that is CELEBRATING the coordination)

https://tinyurl.com/ya3anlxc

"At the Bush Institutes Spirit of Liberty even in New York on Thursday, former President George W. Bush delivered a speech full of veiled attacks on President Trump, condemning "bullying and prejudice in our public life", as well as the isolationism and nationalism that has taken hold in the White House.

Hours later, former President Barack Obama did the same at events in New Jersey and Virginia, which marked his first appearance on the campaign trail since leaving office."

(end quote)

George fucking Bush isn't just criticizing Trump or us anymore; he is now actively aiding and abetting the Enemy.

Traitor.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2017 12:27 PM (k1TUh)

294 I get Salty Caramel Pumpkin tea from my vajayjay.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at October 20, 2017 12:27 PM (3BFzK)

295 I didn't hold her profession or the fact that she was in that car accident against her when I voted for her husband. I'm not going to suddenly attack her about it because I'm pissed at her husband.

I thought leftists were low scum when they accused her of killing someone.


My favorite was their charge that the Bush family got her off the hook, somehow knowing that she would meet and marry W 14 years later.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 12:28 PM (YqDXo)

296 Bush has always been an elitist, his family is no different than the Clintons they're birds of a feather. He's also bitter we rejected another Bush war monger as POTUS.

Posted by: Rose at October 20, 2017 12:28 PM (3N8PC)

297 >>> Harvey Weinstein and his pals have done this to you. Get help. Posted by: CyberCipher at October 20, 2017 12:20 PM (p6WoB)

I don't watch Outlander! But I have a lot of friends obsessed over it. They bought the cookbook connected to the show and bake all the things and have outlander viewing parties and crochet appropriate Outlander clothing. It is very interesting sometimes to be on the outside of a fandom looking in, hah.

It's also, for better or worse, the only version they know of Scottish Jacobite history since we didn't exactly cover that in school.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:29 PM (hvf9s)

298 The obvious problem with "freedom not to be offended:" what happens when two people's such freedom are mutually exclusive?

Then the most enlightened and noble among us must form special groups, lets call them "commissions" to decide, choosing who is the one in the right and who should be, let's say "reeducated" in special "camps." These "commissars" would be chosen from the most properly educated and reliably globalist.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:29 PM (39g3+)

299 Wait, wait, he did do more than anyone else to help stop Aids in Africa. So that's one thing.
Posted by: gNewt - and don't forget your mosquito net at October 20, 2017 12:27 PM (08Did)

even a broken watch is right twice a day.


Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 20, 2017 12:29 PM (ZTRlp)

300 >>>BSG thinks that's just a miraculous coincidence.

I would say there is nothing miraculous about it. Have you actually compared the two speeches and can cite all these supposed similarities?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:30 PM (5DBsn)

301 @191: That there is gold. That's why I come to AoS.

Posted by: Johnny at October 20, 2017 12:30 PM (kUotE)

302 Obama and Bush giving speeches on the same day criticizing Trump but not naming him directly means they were coordinated by the globalist, open border folks. Bush also is still peeved by Trump's comments towards Jeb.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:30 PM (iVOAv)

303 When will Elmers come out with a Salty Caramel Pumpkin Spiced paste?

I bet that would be really good.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 20, 2017 12:30 PM (3BFzK)

304 Was a photo of an oil change place offering a pumpkin spice oil change.

A local car shop here does have this on their sign. Say it yesterday. It's like the place in Portland that offers "gluten free lap dances"

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (JKNZq)

305 Bush made the mistake of believing that the Iraqis yearned for freedom. They did not, and do not. The best we can hope for is to placate the country by spreading around the benefits of a kind of "capitalist", kind of "rule of law" government. But it will not be free.

Basically the best case is that Americanized Iraq becomes a shittier version of British India.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (sNzC+)

306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.

Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (j+dfT)

307 I didn't hold her profession or the fact that she was in that car accident against her when I voted for her husband. I'm not going to suddenly attack her about it because I'm pissed at her husband.

Yeah I don't get this all or nothing rage or worship attitude. You can dislike what someone does and how they behave without hating them with every fiber of your being. Everybody is a mix of things. I admire how Obama was with kids, for example. It was one of the few times he was actually human. Nobody is all bad. Dislike the bad, admire the good, ignore the rest.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)

308 292 I have always thought that GWB was at heart a decent man with true ideals.

Any prick who wants to involve me in wars for nation building, spy on me, and surround me with illegal immigration can shove his ideals up his ass.

But yeah ... he talks like the Texas version of Fred Rogers. Well - that changes EVERYTHING.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (I2iQh)

309 But the ideas for it were born in times and cultures
that were no more free than many places in the world today. You badly
miss the mark here.

Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (rY+Q1)

Your romanticized notion of the nobility of Man is an insult to the culture...Western Culture....that has created the philosophical basis for our society.

Nowhere else on earth has the concept of freedom been the underpinning of nearly as much as it has been in the Western canon.

Find me a non-Western culture with that tradition and I will revise my criticism. But until you do, It stands.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (wYseH)

310 Wait, wait, he did do more than anyone else to help stop Aids in Africa. So that's one thing.
Posted by: gNewt - and don't forget your mosquito net at October 20, 2017 12:27 PM (08Did)

even a broken watch is right twice a day.

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And his pals on the globalist left didn't even want to shake his hand afterwards or have photos of themselves taken at awards banquets because of the cooties they would get from him. Yet these are the people whose opinions GWB values over ours.

Posted by: Boots at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (EBwPV)

311 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)

Well said.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (iVOAv)

312 306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin
________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.

Posted by: Molly Ivins at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (j+dfT)

313 He's also bitter we rejected another Bush war monger as POTUS.
Posted by: Rose at October 20, 2017 12:28 PM (3N8PC)

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Bush a war monger? WTF?

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (ZAAkQ)

314 >>>Obama and Bush giving speeches on the same day criticizing Trump but not naming him directly means they were coordinated by the globalist, open border folks.

Well, when you put it like that....
....it does sound amazingly tinfoilly.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (5DBsn)

315 CBD: that was outstanding, thank you. Harsh, to the point, and totally accurate in every way.

Posted by: Max Power at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (QCc6B)

316 I don't watch Outlander! But I have a lot of friends obsessed over it. They bought the cookbook connected to the show and bake all the things and have outlander viewing parties and crochet appropriate Outlander clothing. It is very interesting sometimes to be on the outside of a fandom looking in, hah.

It's also, for better or worse, the only version they know of Scottish Jacobite history since we didn't exactly cover that in school.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:29 PM (hvf9s)



I just looked, Outlander is developed by Ronald D. Moore. So you should let them know to be prepared for a disappointing finale whenever that happens.

Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 12:33 PM (cAnNx)

317 312 306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin
________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Molly Ivins at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (j+dfT)

I trim my Garden with a Triceratops

Posted by: Joyce Carol Oates at October 20, 2017 12:33 PM (7HtZB)

318 It's also, for better or worse, the only version they know of Scottish Jacobite history since we didn't exactly cover that in school.


I think terms like Jacobite and Carolingian keep history obscure. If you know what's being talked about it's a good shorthand, but when teachers just drop the phrases it sounds like hidden knowledge.

I think history is much more accessible when it's these guys killed those guys' fathers so those guys are in a lather now.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (gIRsn)

319 If we want to criticism Bush's timing or the purpose of a speech, fine. Make that argument. But taking Bush to task for the quote in question - which is all CBD does here - is as dumb as I described.
Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 12:21 PM (rY+Q1)

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I likely depends on how one reads his words.

When Bush says that "the desire for freedom...is the inborn hope of our humanity," your response should be, "yes, that's right." In fact, it's so non-controversial you shouldn't even feel the need to bring it up.

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A desire for personal freedom is a part of our nature. Look at any child. We have to teach them to curtail it for the greater good.

But a desire for general freedom is not part of our nature. That is also something that must be inculcated.

That second kind is what the DOI/Constitution are on about. So if Bush is claiming the second sort is mankind's natural inclination, then he's a fool.



I would expect to find your actual response on a liberal blog, that "Freedom is pretty much a construct of Western Culture." That's standard liberal fare, that freedom and rights are a construct, mere conceit.

No doubt we had to fight for it. But the ideas for it were born in times and cultures that were no more free than many places in the world today. You badly miss the mark here.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (PNcou)

320 308 292 I have always thought that GWB was at heart a decent man with true ideals.

Any prick who wants to involve me in wars for nation building, spy on me, and surround me with illegal immigration can shove his ideals up his ass.

But yeah ... he talks like the Texas version of Fred Rogers. Well - that changes EVERYTHING.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (I2iQh)


This. I hope the entire family burns in Hell.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (mcI77)

321 Got anything with hemlock? Then I won't have to go back to my stupid sodden life.
Posted by: Insomniac
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I had hemlocks. The city made me cut them down.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (y3sT9)

322 312 306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin
________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Molly Ivins at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (j+dfT)



I trim my Bush with a weed whacker.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (YqDXo)

323 Japan and Germany became lovers of freedom - after we leveled their countries flat. They didn't show much interest in freedom before that, in fact they were pretty enthusiastic about taking the freedom of others away.

If you are going to bring democracy to a country with no (or little) democratic tradition, you have to beat the snot out of them first, so hard that they have no choice but to accept it. Then you can help them, show them how it's done and so forth, but the ass whipping comes first.

A country that goes berserk because a servicewoman put panties on a captive's head and worries about Korans being flushed down the toilet is not a country with the will or confidence to export freedom.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans amepesands at the present time) at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (ZM2xo)

324 307 Yeah I don't get this all or nothing rage or worship attitude. You can dislike what someone does and how they behave without hating them with every fiber of your being. Everybody is a mix of things. I admire how Obama was with kids, for example. It was one of the few times he was actually human. Nobody is all bad. Dislike the bad, admire the good, ignore the rest.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)


The Left started this "All or Nothing" stuff so that they wouldn't feel even the slightest twinge of guilt over calling for people to be executed over even the slightest thing.

And as the Left sheared that discourse down to where there was nothing left, everybody else got sucked into "All or Nothing" as well (even if they're not calling for mass executions the way the Leftards do).

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (CMbMd)

325 >>>Posted by: Jen the original at October 20, 2017 12:01 PM (q8GYT)

He may have made miscalculations during office, but he should have wised up by now, about illegals, Islam, and the expansion of the surveillance state. White supremacy is the least of our problems. It's like when Obama brought up the Crusades, and Bobby Jindal responded "the Medieval Christian threat is under control".

And looking at the morning report's summary of his speech from business insider, it looks like he's bought into "Russia influenced the election through disinformation" narrative.

He may be well intentioned, but he doesn't seemed to have learned much.

Posted by: FD at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (/qEW2)

326 "I am a proud member of the one Ulster Scot clans that you Irish folks are SO terribly fond of. You still haven't been able to exterminate us after more than 400 years of trying. "

I don't get this

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 20, 2017 12:03 PM (cAXIk)



He's bragging to a sock about something he had nothing to do with. Sad.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (493sH)

327 I alternate between sadness and anger with regards to Bush and his speech. Where was this speech during the 8 years of Obama? And if he didn't give it then, why do so now? Unless he wants to see America limp along like it did for the last 8 years and is just not invested in making us great again. And if so, f**k off already.

Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (a0IVu)

328 I don't watch Outlander! But I have a lot of friends obsessed over it. They bought the cookbook connected to the show and bake all the things and have outlander viewing parties and crochet appropriate Outlander clothing. It is very interesting sometimes to be on the outside of a fandom looking in, hah.

It's also, for better or worse, the only version they know of Scottish Jacobite history since we didn't exactly cover that in school.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:29 PM (hvf9s)

A Scottish cookbook? The horror, the horror

Posted by: josephistan at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (7HtZB)

329
Still conflicted here, as I posted.

I watched George Bush assume the presidency, standing on that pile of rubble, telling us the people who did this would hear ALL of us soon. Prior to 9-11, his destiny would have been an amiable, unremarkable single term.

Instead, fate intervened, and he rose to the occasion. He will forever be in my positive regard for the response to that horrific atrocity and the 8 years of unrelenting pressure on al qaeda that reduced them to impotence.

I get a bit nauseated by the vitriol expressed here by some, it equals or surpasses anything heard from the left, with as much relevance.

But I guess that's just part of what makes us all great Americans.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 20, 2017 12:35 PM (S/hVx)

330 A country that goes berserk because a servicewoman put panties on a captive's head and worries about Korans being flushed down the toilet is not a country with the will or confidence to export freedom.
Posted by: Donna
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Should have made them wear glittery cowgirl hats.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 12:36 PM (y3sT9)

331 There can only be one Pope at a time, there can only be one President at a time...former Presidents should limit themselves to charitable endeavors and stay clear of politics.

Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 12:36 PM (a0IVu)

332 So 46 percent of people think the MFM make up stories about Trump. Wonder what the number would be if they polled outside Manhattan.

These numbnuts are too stupid to realize how few people will believe that number. The source kills the assertion.

I really should have a bumpersticker made about the press and most of government:

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

h\t to Outlaw Josey Wales

Posted by: JTB at October 20, 2017 12:37 PM (V+03K)

333 His silence for 8 years can't be ignored, Irongrampa. So sorry if we disappoint you.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 20, 2017 12:37 PM (U+nHb)

334 321 Got anything with hemlock? Then I won't have to go back to my stupid sodden life.

And four young people with the same last name won't be able to share your life either. Terrible things to do to kids!

You have work. You have people who care about you. You're thankfully getting some help with meds. You're a smart, amusing man, Stop considering throwing in the towel..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:37 PM (iVOAv)

335 >>> Find me a non-Western culture with that tradition and I will revise my criticism. But until you do, It stands. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (wYseH)

This. After the Weinstein scandal broke, some Chinese toolbag in the state media tried to infer that such a thing would never happen there because China has superior cultural values and "respect the dignity and humanity of its citizens." Yeah, I think the millions of Chinese women the state slaughtered to get and keep power beg to differ.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:37 PM (hvf9s)

336 >>>This. I hope the entire family burns in Hell.

Not everyone is cut out to be a happy warrior. It is okay.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:37 PM (5DBsn)

337 Islam has been decided on as the lynchpin to globalism for some reason.

Shari'ah has been chosen as the most convenient/expedient way to rule and punish the masses.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 20, 2017 12:37 PM (CMbMd)

338 I would say there is nothing miraculous about it. Have you actually compared the two speeches and can cite all these supposed similarities?

The New York Times can: (read the whole thing)

https://tinyurl.com/y7ep2ov8

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (k1TUh)

339 Well, when you put it like that....
....it does sound amazingly tinfoilly.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em

When you put it like that, you are being contrarian and deliberately obtuse.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (326rv)

340
Should have made them wear glittery cowgirl hats.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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I keep waiting for Frederica Wilson to start yodeling.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (y3sT9)

341 Did someone mention Bush?

Posted by: BJ Clinton at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (3BFzK)

342 312 306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin
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I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Molly Ivins at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (j+dfT)

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I trim my Bush with garden shears.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (PNcou)

343 I keep waiting for Frederica Wilson to start yodeling.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (y3sT9)



She only does it at the full moon. But it never seems to answer her

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (493sH)

344 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (y3sT9)

Do rhinestone cowgirls yodel?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (iVOAv)

345 When Bush says that "the desire for freedom...is the inborn hope of our humanity," your response should be, "yes, that's right." In fact, it's so non-controversial you shouldn't even feel the need to bring it up.

Yeah, like I said above everyone DOES yearn for and love freedom, they just love comfort, safety, and ease more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (39g3+)

346 Dusty Baker out in Washington.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (O5Q3r)

347 I get a bit nauseated by the vitriol expressed here
by some, it equals or surpasses anything heard from the left, with as
much relevance.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 20, 2017 12:35 PM (S/hVx)

I think part of that vitriol is as a result of being bitterly disappointed by Bush after his superb actions in the months after 9/11.

He almost immediately pivoted to an accommodationist tilt that neutered our ability to fight Islam.

And even worse, he failed to defend himself, and by extension America, from the attacks by the left.

He disappointed us, and that may be why we are still so angry.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (wYseH)

348 She only does it at the full moon. But it never seems to answer her

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (493sH)
ROFL

Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (a0IVu)

349 Obama and Bush giving speeches on the same day criticizing Trump but not naming him directly means they were coordinated by the globalist, open border folks. Bush also is still peeved by Trump's comments towards Jeb.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:30 PM (iVOAv)
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On the heels of a big Soros donation as an earlier commentator mentioned.

Posted by: gNewt - and don't forget your mosquito net at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (08Did)

350 I trim my Bush with a Bat'Leth.

Posted by: Michele Obama's Landing Strip at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (IhBhD)

351 "I get a bit nauseated by the vitriol expressed here by some, it equals or surpasses anything heard from the left, with as much relevance."

Benedict Arnold got a lot of praise and did a lot of good things before he sold out, too.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2017 12:40 PM (k1TUh)

352 My questions about Bush started when he was giving speeches about America's security and going to war to make America safe but did nothing about building a wall. Didn't make sense.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 20, 2017 12:40 PM (U+nHb)

353 Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 11:57 AM (rY+Q1)
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I would say you have a point. But you are rather confusing the rights we have, with the rights we know about. We have to become aware of how God thinks about something in order to know what he has designed and perhaps to know to desire it.

This is part of the very common modern confusion between intention and fact. If God is a fact, by most reasonable definitions he knows what we do not. Outside of God's wisdom what we want is not necessarily what we should want, thus there is a need to have some instruction by God in order to want according to his design: specifically those rights he endows us with.

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2017 12:40 PM (2mC6G)

354 Dusty Baker out in Washington.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (O5Q3r)



Just walking around or out and "proud"?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:40 PM (493sH)

355 appropriate Outlander clothing.
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So, 'Outlandish' clothing?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 12:41 PM (y3sT9)

356 yeah George, the DESIRE for "freedom" is maybe a desire of most humans, but most of the world raises kids as captives to a culture that beats the freedom seeking notion out of them by the time they are seven. And before that they had no real notion of "freedom" in a cultural sense.

They are trained (usually brutally) to serve the tribe, to kill/enslave the non-tribe. That there is your glorious "multi-cultural nirvana", exposed to the harsh reality of history.

In America today "freedom" is the right to "punch a Nazi" while demanding they provide free health care and free housing ... OH the humanity! -- as the liberty good men died for is tossed on the bonfire of globalism and diversity.

Thanks George ... hope that Bush oil money is still rolling in, after we fought wars to keep it flowing.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 20, 2017 12:41 PM (/aIFg)

357 Islam has been decided on as the lynchpin to globalism for some reason.

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Islam is their kraken, to summon for total destruction. They don't realize they won't be able to send it away when they are done with it.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 20, 2017 12:41 PM (vg8iE)

358 >>>He disappointed us, and that may be why we are still so angry.

Seems to be a very extensive list for some posters. With names going on and off depending on the day.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:41 PM (5DBsn)

359 Dusty Baker out in Washington.



Posted by: tu3031 at October 20, 2017 12:39 PM (O5Q3r)




Just walking around or out and "proud"?

Don't know. But he's definitely fired.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 20, 2017 12:42 PM (O5Q3r)

360 Fun Fact: Hillary shaves her bush because the dried mess in me won't rip out pubes when she changes me.

Posted by: Hillary Clintons Depends Diaper at October 20, 2017 12:42 PM (3BFzK)

361 Fun Fact: Hillary shaves her bush because the dried mess in me won't rip out pubes when she changes me.
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You're so full of shit. Hillary doesn't shave her bush.

I do.

Posted by: Huma at October 20, 2017 12:43 PM (vg8iE)

362 Did I kill this thread. I was going to tell you all about my new FUPA cutout.

Come Back!!

Posted by: Hillary Clintons Depends Diaper at October 20, 2017 12:44 PM (3BFzK)

363 There's nothing wrong with anger or hate, properly directed. They can be tremendous motivators.

Posted by: Insomniac - Getting Microaggressed on the Daily, Yo! at October 20, 2017 12:44 PM (NWiLs)

364 Islam is their kraken, to summon for total destruction. They don't realize they won't be able to send it away when they are done with it.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 20, 2017 12:41 PM (vg8iE)



Yeah, that's the thing when you see all of these radical leftist groups supporting Islam. Their head is on the chopping block too but their hatred of the west and their stupidity is so great they don't realize that.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:44 PM (493sH)

365 360 Fun Fact: Hillary shaves her bush because the dried mess in me won't rip out pubes when she changes me.

Posted by: Hillary Clintons Depends Diaper at October 20, 2017 12:42 PM (3BFzK)


No Brazilian waxes for Hillary then.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 12:44 PM (mcI77)

366 Still conflicted here, as I posted.

I watched George Bush assume the presidency, standing on that pile of rubble, telling us the people who did this would hear ALL of us soon. Prior to 9-11, his destiny would have been an amiable, unremarkable single term.

Instead, fate intervened, and he rose to the occasion. He will forever be in my positive regard for the response to that horrific atrocity and the 8 years of unrelenting pressure on al qaeda that reduced them to impotence.

I get a bit nauseated by the vitriol expressed here by some, it equals or surpasses anything heard from the left, with as much relevance.

But I guess that's just part of what makes us all great Americans.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 20, 2017 12:35 PM (S/hVx)



This is pretty much my take as well. W was put in a tough position, and came through. Cleaning out Afghanistan was a worthy goal to wipe out the training camps to at least reduce the likelihood of future attacks.

Iraq is/was a wobbler, but I still think it was a good idea. Saddam could easily have supplied AQ with WMDs, leading to an attack for which he would have had plausible deniability.

Moreover, Iraq of all Middle Eastern countries was the best bet to be put on course for democracy in the model of Germany and Japan. It didn't work, thanks in no small part to obstructionism by the Democrats, but if it had, W would have changed the course of world history for the better. It would have been achievement that made Lincoln's pale in comparison.*

So I cut W some slack. I don't like him dumping on Trump, but that's small beer in the scheme of things, I think.

And here's a chilling thought: imagine how President Gore would have reacted on 9/11.


*I also give some slack on the "Islam is a religion of peace" crap. He needed to say that to keep Muslim countries on side, and to prevent the whole thing from sliding into a religious war. It was the diplomatic thing to do; after all, in WWII we didn't go on about how the French were cheese-eating collaborationist surrender monkeys, either. No point in ginning up more enemies than necessary.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 12:44 PM (YqDXo)

367 312 306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin
________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Molly Ivins at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (j+dfT)


I trim my Bush with a weed whacker.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (YqDXo)


I trim my Bush with a combine harvester.

Posted by: Trigglypuff at October 20, 2017 12:45 PM (X6fMO)

368 Trump is a direct threat to Fredo and George's legacies, such as they are. This is much (of course, not all) of why they're speaking together now.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 12:45 PM (ZAAkQ)

369 Fun Fact:
Nonsense. The real reason is that there's another smaller ham wallet with teeth inside the main ham wallet with teeth, and it drips acid. Not team hardwood - team chitin.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 12:45 PM (HtLSE)

370
Seems to be a very extensive list for some posters. With names going on and off depending on the day.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:41 PM (5DBsn)

Hey banana boy , if all cultures hope for freedom , what is sharia?

Posted by: rifraf at October 20, 2017 12:45 PM (idwi/)

371 The notion that W. involved us in wars for the purpose of nation-building is ahistorical rubbish.

He invaded Afghanistan after stone-age ruffians killed almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens for daring to go to work.

For years, there was agreement in the intel community that Iraq was stockpiling chemical and/or biological weapons and aspired to more. The invasion seemed so reasonable at the time that it had overwhelming bipartisan support.

Nation-building only came later when we had to figure out what, if anything, to do with the real estate after we eliminated the existing governments.

I have no problem with criticism of the decisions W. made in that regard. But there was nothing easy about them; there were no obvious, good choices there.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 12:45 PM (ppBhU)

372 "Islam is their kraken, to summon for total destruction. They don't realize they won't be able to send it away when they are done with it."

Nope. They're scared shitless of Muslims. They hold the beliefs in contempt, but don't dare express that contempt because Muslims would behead them.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 20, 2017 12:46 PM (Ld7Bs)

373 The Bush clan always insured that, even when we won, we were the weaker horse.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:46 PM (60v4h)

374 We know that the desire for freedom is not confined to or owned by any culture.

Grade A Bullshit.

The value of the individual is ingrained in WESTERN CIVILIZATION. Of course, we don't teach Western Civ any more.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 20, 2017 12:46 PM (XrCyE)

375 Don't know. But he's definitely fired.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 20, 2017 12:42 PM (O5Q3r)




Before the Cubs/Nationals series, someone commented on mlb.com, the one thing the Cubs having going for them is Dusty is managing the Nationals

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:46 PM (493sH)

376
There can only be one Pope at a time, there can only be one President at
a time...former Presidents should limit themselves to charitable
endeavors and stay clear of politics. Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 12:36 PM (a0IVu)
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What counts as 'charity' in that scenario may not be what normal people see as charity.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 20, 2017 12:47 PM (MIKMs)

377 A Scottish cookbook? The horror, the horror
Posted by: josephistan at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (7HtZB)

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Scottish cuisine was done on a dare

Posted by: auscolpyr at October 20, 2017 12:47 PM (suO/a)

378 I have no problem with criticism of the decisions W. made in that regard. But there was nothing easy about them; there were no obvious, good choices there.


I beg to differ. Iran was, and is, the easy call. The focus of evil in the modern middle east.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:47 PM (60v4h)

379 Trump is a direct threat to Fredo and George's legacies, such as they are. This is much (of course, not all) of why they're speaking together now.
Posted by: Soona

Plausible, but harder to prove.

They certainly are closer on unfettered immigration. It's a reason why Trump survived primary season. he was hated for it then; there's no reason to think that the hatred has abated.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:47 PM (326rv)

380 >>>Hey banana boy , if all cultures hope for freedom , what is sharia?

Sharia is the Arabic word for way or path.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 12:48 PM (5DBsn)

381 That whole speech of Bush's is Globalist drivel. Embarrassing he thought he needed to make it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 20, 2017 12:48 PM (U+nHb)

382 Grade A Bullshit.

The value of the individual is ingrained in WESTERN CIVILIZATION. Of course, we don't teach Western Civ any more.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 20, 2017 12:46 PM (XrCyE)




Are you trying to say that lesbian, communist Inca history isn't important to teach?!?!?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:48 PM (493sH)

383 LizLem, supposedly the German man in the Avengers was a Holocaust survivor. So he was against men like Hitler. And since the left calls everyone they disagree with Hitler, that squares the circle nicely.

Last year I saw a church advertising pumpkin spice communion. As someone who believes in the Real Presence, I found this disturbing, and dare I say, offensive.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 20, 2017 12:48 PM (FQKBL)

384 68 Ironically, TFG's speech yesterday talked about how important it was for American politicians to bring people together.

This from the guy pushing Victim Politics hardest, as a winning political strategy for Demoncrats.
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You know, when I was the prezzy, I brought the country together by bringing cop-hating rappers and crack dealers to party with me in the White House!

I also brought the country together by pointing out that my Black Lives Matter peeps, who were murdering white cops at the time, had legitimate grievances against this awful, raaaaaacist country.

I also brought the country together by funneling hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to my fellow leftist racists in organizations like La Raza and Acorn.

What can I say, I'm just a lover and a uniter!

It's something my typical white woman granny never understood about me!

Posted by: Barky Obama at October 20, 2017 12:48 PM (BXf9o)

385 Nobody is all bad. Dislike the bad, admire the good, ignore the rest.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)

No, not well said. Fuck that shit.

Attitudes like that are why we're where we are. Evil is evil. Even Satan is nice to people. You gonna ignore the rest of him too?

There's only one solution for these evil scum.

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 20, 2017 12:49 PM (9z7bz)

386 Trump is a direct threat to Fredo and George's legacies, such as they are.

I'm guessing that the "hey, George, why don't you give a speech" Soros-nudge was leveraged off of Trump saying he was doing more or going to do more than his predecessors. See, I suspect as something that really did mean a lot to Dubya, anything readable as impugning his contact with veterans and widows/orphans would be likely to *really* get his Irish up, and make him pliable for doing something stupid.

Which, make no mistake, this was.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 12:49 PM (HtLSE)

387 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 12:44 PM (YqDXo)

Well said

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:49 PM (iVOAv)

388 Bush hasn't learned one goddamned thing since 9/11. He was spewing the same "All people love freedom" crap back then, and nothing has changed. I found this speech from 2003, I think, given to the National Endowment for Freedom, and you could transplant the entire thing to today. https://tinyurl.com/y6wl7ay2

I think he just can't face the truth that his entire presidency, and maybe his entire life, has been one long, pointless meander through error and futility.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at October 20, 2017 12:49 PM (alIcn)

389 Do rhinestone cowgirls yodel?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Of course.

Patsy Montana: http://tinyurl.com/yby2fjvw

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2017 12:50 PM (y3sT9)

390 @ 347


You're a good person, CBD. Did the occasion arise, I'd be pleased to stand you a couple of rounds.

I would also say the same for just about anyone here.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 20, 2017 12:50 PM (S/hVx)

391 Maybe Sessions isn't sleeping and is investigating in private, BUT he seemed public enough about not going after Lois Lerner or the IRS, or for just saying Rosenstein can investigate himself on the Uranium One coverup, or for blocking in blocking the Uranium One insider that was gagged to stay gagged, or in blacking out all the talking points from the 30 pages Judicial Watch found (hidden by the FBI) ... of the tarmac meeting.

He has spoken out a lot about all the things he won't be doing ... pretty big things. Maybe he isn't sleeping, he is just being a swamp creature, actively covering up. HOPEFULLY there is more going on quietly ... we can only hope.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 20, 2017 12:50 PM (/aIFg)

392 I thought this was touching; 74 year old man from Utah walks miles in search of kidney donor for his wife:

http://tinyurl.com/ya5jqgzh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:50 PM (iVOAv)

393 371 The notion that W. involved us in wars for the purpose of nation-building is ahistorical rubbish.

Bullshit.

He lost less than 200 troops removing Hussein. He lost thousands trying to nation-build there.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 20, 2017 12:50 PM (I2iQh)

394 Hitler loved dogs and German children.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:50 PM (60v4h)

395
German Old Man: There are always men like you.
amazing how SWJ Whedon can write scripts he does not believe in order to make his millions. reminds me of another fat asshole.

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (8RQER)

396 >>Sharia is the Arabic word for way or path.


The path to subjegation of free will.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (IhBhD)

397 The inborn hope of humanity is the desire for freedom and it transcends culture?

Then why do illegals come here, Georgie?

Posted by: Fritz at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (2Mnv1)

398 Hey banana boy , if all cultures hope for freedom , what is sharia?

Sharia is the Arabic word for way or path.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy

Cute, dishonest answer. You chose not to explain what it means, especially what it means to mohammadans.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (326rv)

399 Japan and Germany became lovers of freedom - after we leveled their countries flat. They didn't show much interest in freedom before that, in fact they were pretty enthusiastic about taking the freedom of others away.

If you are going to bring democracy to a country with no (or little) democratic tradition, you have to beat the snot out of them first, so hard that they have no choice but to accept it. Then you can help them, show them how it's done and so forth, but the ass whipping comes first.

A country that goes berserk because a servicewoman put panties on a captive's head and worries about Korans being flushed down the toilet is not a country with the will or confidence to export freedom.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans amepesands at the present time) at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (ZM2xo)

Germany seems to have fallen out of love with freedom again. Witness the rate at which they are importing muzzies.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (O848g)

400 362
Did I kill this thread. I was going to tell you all about my new FUPA cutout.

Come Back!!


Posted by: Hillary Clintons Depends Diaper at October 20, 2017 12:44 PM (3BFzK)



I thought you named her Chelsea.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (tbOMB)

401 381 That whole speech of Bush's is Globalist drivel.
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Indeed. He may as well have come out wearing a burka and a sombrero and announcing that we don't need no stinkin' borders.

It was nothing but contradictory, hypocritical, virtue-signalling nonsense.

So typical of the whole phony, elitist-wannabes Bush clan.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 20, 2017 12:52 PM (BXf9o)

402 Then why do illegals come here, Georgie?
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For the welfare, remittances and free abortions, senor!

Posted by: Illegals at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (vg8iE)

403 It baffles me how Joss Whedon could write this and SJWs can watch it and completely miss the actual point of it. Still be socialist commies. Even a blind pig can find truffles now and then I suppose.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2017 12:20 PM (hvf9s)



Because they really think that commie heroes like Che, Castro or the rest are really liberating people from the oppression of capitalism. You know the capitalism that made them millionaires.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (493sH)

404 385 Nobody is all bad. Dislike the bad, admire the good, ignore the rest.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)

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Other than starting the most destructive war in history and murdering six million Jews, Hitler wasn't such a bad guy.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (ZAAkQ)

405 I'd be pleased to stand you a couple of rounds.

I would also say the same for just about anyone here.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 20, 2017 12:50 PM (S/hVx)

Thank you very much!

But only if I can return the favor....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (wYseH)

406 Imagine having Jeb Bush as President? Besides the whole oligarchy angle what a cluster*ck that would have been.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (U+nHb)

407 M-O-O-N. That spells freedom.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (60v4h)

408 I had some wonderful pumpkin spiced tofu pumpkin at the Whole Foods yesterday.

Posted by: vegan at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (3BFzK)

409 367 312 306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin
________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Molly Ivins at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (j+dfT)


I trim my Bush with a weed whacker.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (YqDXo)

I trim my Bush with a combine harvester.
Posted by: Trigglypuff at October 20, 2017 12:45 PM (X6fMO)

I trim my Bush with hedge clippers.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (htrDF)

410 I just watched the presser from Kelly from yesterday, Thank god for president Trump, Thank god for our service members, Thank god for our veterans who made the choice to serve knowing the possible consequences of that service. The dim congresscritter from Florida should resign now and beg for forgiveness while cleaning shitters in a VA hospital for the rest of her miserable life.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 20, 2017 12:54 PM (0OmEj)

411 383 LizLem, supposedly the German man in the Avengers was a Holocaust survivor. So he was against men like Hitler. And since the left calls everyone they disagree with Hitler, that squares the circle nicely.

Last year I saw a church advertising pumpkin spice communion. As someone who believes in the Real Presence, I found this disturbing, and dare I say, offensive.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 20, 2017 12:48 PM (FQKBL)



You need to fix your URL. Put http:// in front of it or else the site adds "acecomments.mu.nu" automatically.

Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 12:54 PM (cAnNx)

412 When you put it like that, you are being contrarian and deliberately obtuse.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:38 PM (326rv)

In other words, a day with "y" in it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (O848g)

413 And this I thought was very sweet. Woman arranges to have a bridal dance with her critically ill grandmother who has stage 4 cancer:

http://tinyurl.com/y7jsb7pe

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (iVOAv)

414 381 That whole speech of Bush's is Globalist drivel.
_____________

Indeed. He may as well have come out wearing a burka and a sombrero and announcing that we don't need no stinkin' borders.

It was nothing but contradictory, hypocritical, virtue-signalling nonsense.

So typical of the whole phony, elitist-wannabes Bush clan.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 20, 2017 12:52 PM (BXf9o)


A Chamber of Commerce lapel pin should be added to the ensemble. Put it in place of the American flag.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (mcI77)

415 The notion that W. involved us in wars for the purpose of nation-building is ahistorical rubbish.

There is a portion of commentariat here who have swallowed Michael Moore's lies on Iraq feathers and all and are utterly unreachable with history, reality, and fact on the time. I gave up on it. They just don't give a damn any more than leftist trolls did here 10 years ago.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (39g3+)

416 Freedom is a gift from God.
Many people don't want the gift.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (QMwOT)

417 while cleaning shitters in a VA hospital for the rest of her miserable life.
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With her toothbrush.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (vg8iE)

418 Imagine having Jeb Bush as President? Besides the whole oligarchy angle what a cluster*ck that would have been.
Posted by: Seems Legit

The annoying part was that he seemed to be a decent governor of Florida. Being an effective leader in a large state that has God trying to wipe you off the face of the Earth on an annual basis would seem to be the ideal testing ground.

And yet....

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (326rv)

419 Imsomniac:

Anger and hate may motivate, but they misdirect. Grown men have to control their emotions so that their reason and intellect are not wasted, so that they remain in control of themselves. Being seen by others to be angry may be of value sometimes, but it should be a show for other's benefit.

When you allow others to make you angry or hateful, you are allowing them to dictate your state of mind and the behavior that follows from it. Why give another that control?

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at October 20, 2017 12:55 PM (ppBhU)

420 Moreover, Iraq of all Middle Eastern countries was the best bet to be put on course for democracy in the model of Germany and Japan. It didn't work, thanks in no small part to obstructionism by the Democrats, but if it had, W would have changed the course of world history for the better. It would have been achievement that made Lincoln's pale in comparison.*


This was the neo-con case, and I bought it. It didn't work, alas, but I'm not disowning it. It seemed like an admirable course in the wake of 9/11 to take the most promising shithole and give it the Marshall Plan treatment.

W has said a lot of lame shit and he ended his second term with the TARPs and the bailouts and all the bloated government nonsense, but he was the right guy at the right time for the one reason.

Which other president has thrown a meaningful strike at Yankee Stadium?

We hate all of our presidents because they oppose us or they fail us. This is good. It's why we have presidents instead of kings.

The current president is a complete asshat but he's doing useful things. One takes what one can get.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2017 12:56 PM (gIRsn)

421 Hey, Lee Roy Jordan will be here for a book signing next week.

I may have to go to that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 20, 2017 12:56 PM (60v4h)

422 But parents seem determined to raise their kids in this fashion regardless of political or religious leanings.

Well, when your neighbors will call child protective services on you for letting your young kids play in your fenced in backyard while you do dishes in the kitchen (and can watch them from there) then, yeah, people are going to say "well, it's either give my kids some freedom and have them taken away, or helicopter the shit outta them and not have them taken away." Guess which one people are going to choose.

Posted by: GMan at October 20, 2017 12:57 PM (sxq57)

423 410- I just heard Kelly's comments on Rush. Now I get the empty barrel reference.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2017 12:57 PM (eO2Z0)

424 W has said a lot of lame shit and he ended his second term with the TARPs and the bailouts and all the bloated government nonsense,
==========

"We have to forego capitalism to save capitalism."

Posted by: GWB at October 20, 2017 12:57 PM (vg8iE)

425 409 367 312 306 286 I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Amy Schumer
___________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin
________

I trim my Bush with garden shears.
Posted by: Molly Ivins at October 20, 2017 12:32 PM (j+dfT)


I trim my Bush with a weed whacker.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at October 20, 2017 12:34 PM (YqDXo)

I trim my Bush with a combine harvester.
Posted by: Trigglypuff at October 20, 2017 12:45 PM (X6fMO)

I trim my Bush with hedge clippers.
Posted by: Michelle Obama at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (htrDF)

I wish, I wish I had a bush.

Posted by: K. Jenner at October 20, 2017 12:58 PM (0OmEj)

426 AMEN, CBD!!!!


I'm starting to feel sorry I ever voted for this guy.
I'm starting to feel duped by him and his whole ilk!

Every person who ever was or is (except for One, our Lord) in humanity is corrupt.
And I am genuinely surprised that this supposedly God-fearing-church-going man, Bush, does not know that!

I'm beginning to wonder if he has been using his supposed connection to religion as a political expedient. And I HATE that thought.
I'm not ready to conclude that yet. (And I don't want to conclude that.) But damn, how can he say these things?!

Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 20, 2017 12:59 PM (Z2PYk)

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 20, 2017 12:59 PM (ILitO)

428 Thank you, buzzion.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 20, 2017 12:59 PM (FQKBL)

429 Pffft. Chris Wallace just shit himself.


Again.


BIRM


Posted by: dananjcon at October 20, 2017 12:59 PM (WLK0w)

430 Pffft. Chris Wallace just shit himself.


Again.
============

Oh, no, that was me the first time.

Posted by: Al Roker at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (vg8iE)

431 I trim my Bush with hedge clippers.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at October 20, 2017 12:53 PM (htrDF)

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Michelle do you do that after you tuck?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (3BFzK)

432 392 I thought this was touching; 74 year old man from Utah walks miles in search of kidney donor for his wife:

http://tinyurl.com/ya5jqgzh

Oh man, talk about love in action. And look how nicely he is dressed...suit & tie & hat. Man, I hope this hits facebook or twitter & goes viral, and his wife gets a kidney. What amazing love. Damn, it's dusty in here.

Posted by: Professor Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (htrDF)

433 But parents seem determined to raise their kids in this fashion regardless of political or religious leanings.

Well, when your neighbors will call child protective services on you for letting your young kids play in your fenced in backyard while you do dishes in the kitchen (and can watch them from there) then, yeah, people are going to say "well, it's either give my kids some freedom and have them taken away, or helicopter the shit outta them and not have them taken away." Guess which one people are going to choose.
Posted by: GMan


This. Ask the parents in MD who lost their kids, and were threatened, told to keep quiet and to not talk. All so that they could see their kids again. Because they went to the playground. Or the father who was arrested and strip searched because something their kid said at school. No charges, nothing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (326rv)

434 >>>The path to subjegation of free will.

Submission to God is a premise of Christianity. You might want to say the Lords Prayer sometime.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (5DBsn)

435 hitler loved his dog and probably his main squeeze .
still evil

Bush (gonna do feels here) like a man that watched his neighbor being abused for voting for People Like Him.

and than blamed us.

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:01 PM (FKrah)

436 This was the neo-con case, and I bought it. It didn't work, alas, but I'm not disowning it. It seemed like an admirable course in the wake of 9/11 to take the most promising shithole and give it the Marshall Plan treatment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2017 12:56 PM (gIRsn)


Yep. I agree. To do anything else would merely be palliative, and to leave the core pathology - Muslim grievance-mongering - intact.

Putting one Muslim country on the path to democracy and prosperity would have instantly destabilized all of the other Muslim kleptocracies that stay in power by blaming the West and Israel for their woes, much as Poland and Solidarity undermined the Soviet Empire.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 01:01 PM (YqDXo)

437 It is a beautiful fall day outside.
Won't be many more days like it.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 20, 2017 01:01 PM (m9X4Y)

438 413 ... Fenelon, Thanks for that link, the devotionals, and other pleasant news directives. They do help but make me wish I had your faith. However, don't stop.

Posted by: JTB at October 20, 2017 01:01 PM (V+03K)

439 I'm not an anthropologist or anything, but I'd guess "freedom" is not really so primal. Killing the neighbor and dragging his woman back to the cave for sex and service ... that is primal.

A structured society that provides liberty for others even outside the tribe ... that is still not natural or innate. That is why we have to teach kids the concepts of American Liberty, and protect ourselves from invasion of cultures that have no interest in such things.

But the globalists cannot stand Americanism, putting out culture and our people first, believing the founders had a better idea.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 20, 2017 01:01 PM (/aIFg)

440 Other than starting the most destructive war in history and murdering six million Jews, Hitler wasn't such a bad guy./i]

Hitler said that you should love your country and honor those who fight for your country.

Was that an evil lie?

The truth is true, no matter what its source. Even an evil, stupid person can be right or say something true. That doesn't negate their evil, it just means we're never all one thing. This need to reduce everything to some childish cartoon is pointless. He did something I don't like? HE IS SATAN INCARNATE!!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 01:02 PM (39g3+)

441 >>Submission to God is a premise of Christianity. You might want to say the Lords Prayer sometime.


No thanks.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2017 01:02 PM (IhBhD)

442 submission the sharia way is about killing enslaving others subjecting them to their religious beliefs which change from sect to sect.

not freedom loving to others, Just freedom with G-ds command to murder, rape, subjugate all others.

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:02 PM (FKrah)

443 Given that Trump was arguing during the GOP primary that George W. was a mass murdering dictator that was worse than Stalin or Hitler - why would you expect W. to be nice to Trump?!?

And didn't we use to think that a president refraining from criticizing his immediate successor in the Oval Office was a good idea? Wasn't one of the reasons why people disliked Bill Clinton was because Bill could NOT stay silent with his criticism of W? Isn't that one of things we dislike about Obama criticizing Trump?

Posted by: TKYC at October 20, 2017 01:02 PM (kS3Mo)

444 Michelle do you do that after you tuck?

Asking for a friend.



*glares*
*one finger salute*

Posted by: Michelle Obama's resting bitch face at October 20, 2017 01:02 PM (htrDF)

445 What's with all these women trimming their Bushes?

I have my undocumented citizen Jose do the Bush trimming around castle Biden.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 20, 2017 01:03 PM (3BFzK)

446 Proposals floating around Washington to cap the amount that Americans can contribute before taxes to 401(k) plans and individual retirement accounts are unsettling professionals in the retirement industry.

$2400 per year. Thanks GOP!

Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 01:03 PM (mcI77)

447 Please clap...for my brother

Posted by: Jeb! now unfettered at October 20, 2017 01:03 PM (U0qYy)

448 Posted by: Professor Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (htrDF)

I noticed that. if I lived near there I and was a match I would give her a kidney, but I think I have too many contraindicating conditions. My friend-a minister gave a kidney to the Rabbi in her ministerium She only knew him from occasional meetings, and since them they have come good friends.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 01:04 PM (iVOAv)

449 I don't care about Bush being "nice" to Trump. I don't want him to shit on my beliefs, especially after Obama shit on them for 8 years and he never said a word.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 20, 2017 01:04 PM (U+nHb)

450 TKYC , I expected Him to be as silent as He felt was His duty during Obama tearing the country apart.

just.like.that

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:04 PM (FKrah)

451 I'm not an anthropologist or anything, but I'd guess "freedom" is not really so primal. Killing the neighbor and dragging his woman back to the cave for sex and service ... that is primal.


This.

Proof? Look what happens when the power structure breaks down, even here. See, e.g., New Orleans after Katrina. And the archetypal case would be Somalia. There's your state of nature.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 01:04 PM (YqDXo)

452 The annoying part was that he seemed to be a decent governor of Florida. Being an effective leader in a large state that has God trying to wipe you off the face of the Earth on an annual basis would seem to be the ideal testing ground.

I think he would have done a decent turn with the technical job of president: all the facets of the position, what to do when, how to respond, who to talk to, etc. He'd have been capable as a worker. He'd just have been a dumb globalist that rolled nothing back from the Obama years, slow rolled in the left's agenda (except maybe taxes and abortion) and basically been useless for the country.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 01:04 PM (39g3+)

453 What did Obama say about Bush?

plenty for many many years !

still Bush was silent..

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (FKrah)

454 A new all initials poster.

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (rmVvL)

455 Harv Pervstein body count is up to 60.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (qV5PD)

456 Yay! Irongrampa visit!

Irongrampa, the spine-stiffener.

Posted by: Emmie at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (ZapPq)

457 Reading an excellent biography of Caesar and the author says of the elites of Rome 2,000 years ago that they "would rather see problems go unsolved than allow someone else to get the credit for solving them."
This is still true today. Every day that Trump has where something is improved, where some problem is solved--or where progress is made toward solving it--is a day where Trump moves closer to changed the political dynamic, leaving the Clinton's, Bush's and Obama's closer to the political oblivion they deserve.
Sensing this, they get more nervous each day, hence the ratcheting up of the Trump hatred.....

Posted by: JoeF. at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (7uYFy)

458 >>>not freedom loving to others, Just freedom with G-ds command to murder, rape, subjugate all others.

So you see this with all the Muslims who live near you? Just killing and raping your entire neighborhood?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (5DBsn)

459 A new all initials poster.

Nah, I've seen that nic before. Doesn't mean that the comment isn't drivel, though.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (HtLSE)

460 http://tinyurl.com/ya5jqgzh



Oh man, talk about love in action. And look how nicely he is
dressed...suit tie hat. Man, I hope this hits facebook or
twitter goes viral, and his wife gets a kidney. What amazing
love. Damn, it's dusty in here.

Posted by: Professor Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (htrDF)

***FFS...now I'm verklempf.



Posted by: dananjcon at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (WLK0w)

461 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 20, 2017 12:31 PM (wYseH)

I don't have a "romanticized notion of the nobility of Man." I believe we were created an an innate sense and desire for freedom. I guess maybe that's a more noble conception than saying, "we created freedom as a social construct," but I'm not sure.

You challenge me to find a non-Western culture where the "concept of freedom been the underpinning," in order for you to accept that human beings desire to be free.

If we are looking at history, particular of Europe, with feudal systems, slavery, domination by the Church, I don't know we see a lot of daylight with non-Western cultures. If we are looking at present-day, India seems a good example. I'd offer Brazil or Japan too. We could keep going. But I wager there would always be a shifting of what counts as freedom or its realization and whether it counts as an "underpinning" and whether the country totally came up with it as a social construct on their own.

Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (n9Zp5)

462 Why did Willie Sutton rob banks?
...Because that's where the money is.
What do vile toadies go into government?
...because that's where they can wield power.
...because that's where they aren't held accountable.
...because that's where the graft is.
...because that's their natural habitat.

I don't know if there is a natural sorting process to keep the corruption in, but the shiny idealism seems to rub off or run away fairly early in the career of the lifers.

Posted by: Downcast at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (EihsN)

463 Rehashing that period gives me a headache. I guess I should make a pretense of being productive. One last reminder: no matter how we feel about W now -- and I really do feel like he's virtue signalling, which is annoying -- he did the best he could with what he knew. His best wasn't good enough, though, and we will be refighting some of these wars again.

Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (RD7QR)

464 The wars went OK, it was the follow through, especially in Iraq. He turned Iraq over to civilian-e, should have never been done. Putting Iraq on the path of self governance was a job for the military.

He eliminated the separation between law enforcement agencies eliminating over site.

He brought in Paulson DNC-e to deal with the banking problem.

He did not neutralize Iran, 1) when, it was proved they were providing arms and improved IEDs or 2) before he left office. He left the world the murderous legacy of Iran.

Posted by: gNewt - and don't forget your mosquito net at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (08Did)

465 Bush left us to fight His causes.
When we wearied/realized the lies the jokes in everything ,We Trumped.

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (FKrah)

466 Religion of peace, and whatnot.

Posted by: Eromero at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (zLDYs)

467 455 Harv Pervstein body count is up to 60.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (qV5PD)



Let me know when those brave souls start giving names of people not named Harvey Weinstein.

Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (cAnNx)

468 What did Obama say about Bush?

plenty for many many years !

still Bush was silent..

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (FKrah)


Exactly. And after years of being BushHitler he's now all chummy with them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2017 01:08 PM (493sH)

469 True fact, I invented bush trimming. I looked at those afro-bushes of the 70s and thought those should be neatly trimmed. My good friend Telly Savalas though they needed more than trimming.

Posted by: Brian Williams at October 20, 2017 01:08 PM (3BFzK)

470 Has Rush talked about the Bush speech yet?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 20, 2017 01:08 PM (mcI77)

471 I guess Mattis said something about the Niger incident? I'm off to go find it.

Posted by: IC at October 20, 2017 01:08 PM (a0IVu)

472 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 01:04 PM (iVOAv)


Stories like that are always so moving...showcasing the best of humanity. And they probably didn't even have to share the same politics!

I have to save my kidney's b/c we have a young family member born with only one, so if that fails, he'll need another. The wuss I am, I hope it never fails!

Posted by: Professor Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 20, 2017 01:08 PM (htrDF)

473 Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (RD7QR)

Agree with you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2017 01:09 PM (iVOAv)

474 Submission to God is a premise of Christianity. You might want to say the Lords Prayer sometime.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 01:00 PM (5DBsn)


========

Nope. Christianity is about acknowledging that fallen humans cannot follow God's will, and must therefore repent and have faith that Christ's sacrifice has removed their guilt.

The sanctification aspect of Christianity isn't about "submitting" to someone more powerful than you as it is in Islam. It is about conforming your will, your habits of mind to those of God. It is an acknowledgement of what is good, not "submission" in the Islamic sense.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 01:09 PM (/qEW2)

475 So you see this with all the Muslims who live near you?

The fact that the nice family down the street may not actually be Wahabbists doesn't mean that the whole dar-al-harb vs. dar-al-Islam dichotomy is a Really Big Fucking Problem.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 20, 2017 01:09 PM (HtLSE)

476 This was the neo-con case, and I bought it. It didn't work, alas, but I'm not disowning it. It seemed like an admirable course in the wake of 9/11 to take the most promising shithole and give it the Marshall Plan treatment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2017 12:56 PM (gIRsn)

Yep. I agree. To do anything else would merely be palliative, and to leave the core pathology - Muslim grievance-mongering - intact.

Putting one Muslim country on the path to democracy and prosperity would have instantly destabilized all of the other Muslim kleptocracies that stay in power by blaming the West and Israel for their woes, much as Poland and Solidarity undermined the Soviet Empire.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 01:01 PM (YqDXo)



And yet...W did not take on Islam/Jihadism as we had taken on naziism and militant shintoism.

So...zero way that was going to work.

It's a bit like trying to reform a Serial Killer by telling him Serial Killing is perfectly okay as a principle to organize your life but-

don't kill people.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 20, 2017 01:09 PM (NyJwR)

477 * Kidneys

Posted by: Professor Chaos aka gumdrop gorilla at October 20, 2017 01:09 PM (htrDF)

478 "*I also give some slack on the "Islam is a religion of peace" crap. He needed to say that to keep Muslim countries on side, and to prevent the whole thing from sliding into a religious war. It was the diplomatic thing to do; after all, in WWII we didn't go on about how the French were cheese-eating collaborationist surrender monkeys, either. No point in ginning up more enemies than necessary."

This. W wanted to bring the fight to them. Had he said the truth about islam, we would have had fighting in our streets.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 20, 2017 01:09 PM (l9m7l)

479 Harv Pervstein body count is up to 60.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (qV5PD)



Let me know when those brave souls start giving names of people not named Harvey Weinstein.
Posted by: buzzion

This. it's seems that Harvey is going to be the repository/chamberpot of Hollywood villiany.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 01:09 PM (326rv)

480 hmmm...Warden nood.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 01:10 PM (/qEW2)

481
Let me know when those brave souls start giving names of people not named Harvey Weinstein.
Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (cAnNx)

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I feel this way too. If you're being truthful, name names. Or STFU you're not helping, you're grandstanding.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 20, 2017 01:10 PM (U+nHb)

482
436 This was the neo-con case, and I bought it. It didn't work, alas, but I'm not disowning it. It seemed like an admirable course in the wake of 9/11 to take the most promising shithole and give it the Marshall Plan treatment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2017 12:56 PM (gIRsn)

Yeah, I bought it too. I really believed in it.

It didn't work because, as I said earlier before the Marshall Plan comes the complete ass kicking. Especially in the ME, where our multi-cultie scruples are taken as evidence of weakness, not enlightenment.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans amepesands at the present time) at October 20, 2017 01:10 PM (ZM2xo)

483 The dim congresscritter from Florida should resign
now and beg for forgiveness while cleaning shitters in a VA hospital for
the rest of her miserable life.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 20, 2017 12:54 PM (0OmEj)
At first I thought that was her at the top of this page, then I wondered where her cowboy hat was....

Posted by: Colin at October 20, 2017 01:10 PM (bYgjr)

484 453 What did Obama say about Bush?

plenty for many many years !

still Bush was silent..
Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (FKrah)

Bingo! Much like McCain, he longs to have the respect and admiration of the NYT, Washington Post, et al - only to be discarded when no longer being a useful idiot

Posted by: ed gibbon at October 20, 2017 01:10 PM (U0qYy)

485 I expected Him to be as silent as He felt was His duty during Obama tearing the country apart.

Exactly. That was classy and in my opinion, correct. But no, Trump hurt the Bush dynasty and he must pay. Never mind that Jeb had zero chance of winning anyway. Its stupid and classless and George W really blew it here. At least his dad has more class.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 01:10 PM (39g3+)

486 I went to the WAPOO article linked in the tweet.

What a piece of twisted narrative that is! Every part of it contradicts other parts of it, sometimes within the same paragraph.

I'm going to say it now. These people aren't stupid about guns, they are clever with words. They can point out that "There has been a large increase, especially since 2005, in the share of firearms produced that are of higher caliber and therefore greater lethality," and then very quickly segue to "In addition, the growing production of 0.380 pistols, which are generally compact, suggests a shift toward more-concealable weapons as well. Thus, firearm production has moved toward products designed to be more powerful and more concealable."

I started to yell at my computer but caught myself. That was Old Jack.
New Jack stays composed, knowing that things will get worse and to maintain my frame as long as possible.

But once again, a major story about gun control disguised as a public health issue.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 20, 2017 01:10 PM (z79tQ)

487 Banana, hell no. But they are certainly failing their religious commands

thankfully

yet it is rare to see them in the streets with Signs stating
NOT IN OUR NAME.
when their fellow citizens in the eas t{west} far east are slaughtered at the behest of their co religionists.

but yes I recognize they aren't on board with the rape and murdering.
but should THEY Be represented more than Cair? Mulsim Brotherhood? etc in our country?

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:11 PM (FKrah)

488 NOOD. Big Warden.

Posted by: johnd01 at October 20, 2017 01:11 PM (ukNFU)

489 Has Rush talked about the Bush speech yet?
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He talked about it yesterday.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 20, 2017 01:11 PM (vg8iE)

490 469 True fact, I invented bush trimming. I looked at those afro-bushes of the 70s and thought those should be neatly trimmed. My good friend Telly Savalas though they needed more than trimming.
Posted by: Brian Williams at October 20, 2017 01:08 PM (3BFzK)



Pfft. Get back to me when you tackle Ed Asner's back hair.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2017 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

491 467 455 Harv Pervstein body count is up to 60.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2017 01:05 PM (qV5PD)



Let me know when those brave souls start giving names of people not named Harvey Weinstein.
Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 01:07 PM (cAnNx)

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Agree. I want to see the CA membership list for NAMBLA.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2017 01:11 PM (ZAAkQ)

492 Let me know when those brave souls start giving names of people not named Harvey Weinstein.

For decades, anyone that spoke out was shouted down, ignored, and destroyed in their profession. Now, for a short time, they finally have a window to speak out and name names, get something done.

If you don't say it now, when you finally have an audience, when will you? What's the point of holding back now? You help nobody by muttering "me too" in a corner.

The window is closing, rapidly. Don't waste this opportunity.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2017 01:12 PM (39g3+)

493 So you see this with all the Muslims who live near you? Just killing and raping your entire neighborhood?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (5DBsn)


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Did you read the Morning Report? Stop behaving like an a$$clown.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 01:12 PM (/qEW2)

494 This. W wanted to bring the fight to them. Had he said the truth about islam, we would have had fighting in our streets.



At some point we will anyway. Preferably sooner than later. I don't want to be 80 and try to hump a ruck.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2017 01:12 PM (FZxI4)

495 Who trims their Bush?

Posted by: Moose Knuckle at October 20, 2017 01:13 PM (3BFzK)

496 >>>The sanctification aspect of Christianity isn't about "submitting" to someone more powerful than you as it is in Islam. It is about conforming your will, your habits of mind to those of God. It is an acknowledgement of what is good, not "submission" in the Islamic sense.

Can you explain the Greek word doulos and its meaning in the context of the New Testament?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 01:13 PM (5DBsn)

497 "You lost any moral authority to criticize the current president because of your conspicuous silence for the previous eight years of an incredibly destructive presidency."

Not just silence. Anyone want to post that photo of him embracing Obama?

Posted by: pst314 at October 20, 2017 01:13 PM (T4dRn)

498 The caste system in India hardly counts as giving people freedom. For that matter, depending on your caste, women are discouraged from working outside the home, or even driving a car.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 20, 2017 01:13 PM (FQKBL)

499 new post. shakes dust off toes.

Posted by: willow at October 20, 2017 01:14 PM (FKrah)

500 Hey Hollywood Illiteratti, Harvey Weinstein assaulted more women in a single day than my AR ever has.

Suck a nice wet juicy turd out of my asshole with you hypocritical mouth.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 20, 2017 01:14 PM (3BFzK)

501 You challenge me to find a non-Western culture where the "concept of freedom been the underpinning," in order for you to accept that human beings desire to be free.

If we are looking at history, particular of Europe, with feudal systems, slavery, domination by the Church, I don't know we see a lot of daylight with non-Western cultures. If we are looking at present-day, India seems a good example. I'd offer Brazil or Japan too. We could keep going. But I wager there would always be a shifting of what counts as freedom or its realization and whether it counts as an "underpinning" and whether the country totally came up with it as a social construct on their own.

Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 01:06 PM (n9Zp5)



India, which had British colonialism for centuries. Gee I wonder where their sense of freedom comes from? British influence or their classic culture of you cannot move past the caste you were born into? Hmmmmm.

Brazil, a Portugese colony, which is again likely where its concepts of freedom again come from.

And Japan? Where the fuck was their concept of freedom? Because it sure wasn't from its culture. Maybe it was dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 01:15 PM (cAnNx)

502 I'll just leave this here in case anyone ever needs it:

"Muslims who pray several times a day are more likely than those who pray

less frequently to favor Islamic law as the official law of the land... in six of the 20 countries where there are adequate
samples for analysis, at least half of those who favor making Islamic
law the official law also support executing apostates."

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims- religion-politics-society- beliefs-about-sharia/

(remove the spaces after the hyphens)

"Muslims who pray several times a day" means practicing Muslims.

"At
least half" means it starts above 50% and goes up. The baseline is a solid majority, then it increases.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Now in the Lost My Doctor AND My Monthly Premiums Doubled Column at October 20, 2017 01:15 PM (rjrh3)

503 >>>For the welfare, remittances and free abortions, senor!

Posted by: Illegals<<<

So if we substitute for freedom...

"We know that the desire for freebies is not confined to or owned by any culture. It is the inborn hope of our humanity."

George suddenly becomes Mensa-qualified.


Posted by: Fritz at October 20, 2017 01:16 PM (Kwhm/)

504 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy

Cute, dishonest answer. You chose not to explain what it means, especially what it means to mohammadans.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (326rv)


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Yeah, he's obviously trolling. He asks obtuse questions, and never explicitly states his point of view. The next time he does this people should just ask him to lay out his point of view.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2017 01:18 PM (/qEW2)

505 He needed to say that to keep Muslim countries on side, and to prevent the whole thing from sliding into a religious war.
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And yet, it WAS a religious war.

THEY made it a religious war.

And the moslums were never going to be on our side.

And we didn't fucking need them on our side--we could have picked a fight with any and all of whole worthless 57 of them and there wouldn't have been a damned thing they could have done about it.

We never needed boots on the ground.

Rubble don't make trouble.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 20, 2017 01:20 PM (sUh6s)

506 Rep. Frederica Wilson
Outfit? Red? Check
Outfit? Eyesore? Check
Thoughts? Delusional? Check.
Self image? Vastly overinflated? Check.
Influence? Ineffective? Check
Natural habit confined to specific political borders? Check
Freshness date? Expired? Check

GabbaGabbaHey. OneOfUs.

Posted by: Husker fan at October 20, 2017 01:20 PM (EihsN)

507 The !Jebito! DNA ..........IS the Bush family .

Fcuk that family in particular.

Posted by: Redgrains at October 20, 2017 01:23 PM (bXvb1)

508 President Bush failed at a very good cause, I think he is incredibly misguided to believe that he could remake Iraq into a democracy without tearing down the old power structure and reforming Islam. He killed saddam and the bathasts but would not condemn or even admit there is a problem with Islam. He had the best intentions to bring freedom to the middle east but could not and would not see the faults in the society he wanted to reform. And too many of our brothers and sisters gave their lives for his faulty vision of humanity. I supported him at the time, I failed to see what the challenges were so did Bush but I was not the President or the CIC. Nor am I qualified.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at October 20, 2017 01:24 PM (0OmEj)

509 Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2017 01:15 PM (cAnNx)

I explicitly anticipated that kind of response. I identified the constantly shifting arguments that might be offered to any example. Even then, your retort on India is exceptionally weak. If Indians didn't have a desire for freedom but the conquering British did (irony alert!), then well, they should have stayed conquered. And sure, we can get into the caste system just as liberals in this country complain about structural inequalities and bias as evidence that so many of us are not truly free. And nobody is saying America is perfect or that freedom exists and is realized everywhere. So it's a dead-end comparison.

Posted by: Crispian at October 20, 2017 01:25 PM (n9Zp5)

510
Steve and Cold Bear @ comment 474,


You don't seem to recognize that you are contradicting yourself.

If you indeed _repent_ your sins: you are submitting yourself to God. You thereby declare yourself a servant to God's will - not your own.

Except for your CONTRADICTION, you were mostly close.
But Banana-Splits Guy wins the cigar.



Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 20, 2017 01:25 PM (Z2PYk)

511 >>>The next time he does this people should just ask him to lay out his point of view.

Yeah, we need to catch that wascally wabbit!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 01:25 PM (5DBsn)

512 >>>But Banana-Splits Guy wins the cigar

Can I get a couple fingers of Blantons to go with it?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 01:27 PM (5DBsn)

513 I thought you named her Chelsea.


Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 20, 2017 12:51 PM (tbOMB)

That was Webb's idea...

Posted by: Timon at October 20, 2017 01:28 PM (NTM5E)

514

Steeve and Cod Bear @ comment 504,

YOU have laid our your contradictory point of view.

You somehow believe that you can repent your sins and not submit to God's will.

What? Do you hold your sins ABOVE God's will - or even in parity with God's will.

That would be a true perversity, sir.





Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 20, 2017 01:29 PM (Z2PYk)

515 479- HW has to be the scapegoat in order to deflect from rampant pedophilia. The indie film "Open Secrets" can't get a distributor but Hollywood had no problem shining a *searchlight* on the Catholic scandal.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2017 01:32 PM (qV5PD)

516
Banana Splits Guy,

I've never had Blanton's but I'd love to try some.

However, in all honesty, I'm trying to hold myself to wine these days.
(I've gotten myself into some trouble with the harder spirits - particularly with Mr. Jim Bearm.)

But if I could afford it, I'd sure love to buy you a couple glasses of Blanton's.

;-)


Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 20, 2017 01:34 PM (Z2PYk)

517 'Can you explain the Greek word doulos and its meaning in the context of the New Testament?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy

not exactly, but the 'slavery' is obviously completely a free will thing for Christians.

One could debate why the term was used, but it is an analogy to what was common in real life. At those times, people had "lords" over them in real life. There were protections that came with that, but little free will.

And the Christian "doulos" is also called a brother to JC, a joint-heir. And despite the martyrs, I don't really think we were supposed to "suffer for the Lord". So it is more in the sense of "if there are slaves that serve an earthly brutal master, how much more should we serve a perfect master?"

imo

Posted by: illiniwek at October 20, 2017 01:36 PM (/aIFg)

518 What I want back is the time, energy, and credibility I exhausted in defending this dipshit.

Posted by: Milesdei at October 20, 2017 01:37 PM (NnGzp)

519 I will agree that George and Laura are nice.

They are plugged into the nice crowd. They go to nice parties. They have nice kids. They have nice vacation homes.

They are nicely situated in the dead center of the Swamp.


And their niceness damn near killed America.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 20, 2017 02:06 PM (2wRtc)

520 Bush's freedom platitudes are indicative of his admin's underestimating post-invasion Iraq. I still support invading Iraq. However, as hindsight affords clarity, they clearly bungled the situation royally once Saddam's forces were defeated, allowing the vacuum and sectarian genocide.

Posted by: JB at October 20, 2017 02:31 PM (Zqx02)

521 >>>But if I could afford it, I'd sure love to buy you a couple glasses of Blanton's.

Thank you! Mr Blanton is very smooth and affordable!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Bunch Em If You Got Em at October 20, 2017 02:39 PM (5DBsn)

522 I'm not so accommodating him, My son, My two Nephews and a Cousin all went to Iraq in his silly war and it tore my son's family apart, stressed everyone and killed my cousin.
So, Bush shut up, you kept quiet all during Obama and now like the RINO you are you start runnin' OFT at the mouth.
You and your illegal un-needed war in Iraq killed 1.2 million Iraqi people. Your war killed 4,491 American Armed Forces young men and women.
Your war maimed and amputated the limbs of 1,600 men and women.
Your war cause Traumatic Brain injuries to 360,000 Men and women.
Your war caused 56% of the men and women to suffer PTSD and other mental problems.
But the absolute worst thing your unnecessary war in Iraq did was Kill my cousin a young Paratrooper leaving his father, Mother and Grandparents wounded in heart and spirit and totally angering me.

I stood up for your war in Iraq and Afghanistan because I thought you knew best.
You were right to go to war in Afghanistan for 9/11.
You were dead wrong going to war in Iraq.

You did this for nothing and now here you are talking smack about one of your Party Presidents and you don't have a moral leg to stand on.
So do us a favor, shut up and go color, it's what your best at. Besides killing people.




Posted by: obsidian at October 20, 2017 03:47 PM (ARK2U)

523 I'm sorry, I was overcome with the final exposure of the Stupidity that was Bush.

Posted by: obsidian at October 20, 2017 03:57 PM (ARK2U)

524 That's real retarded, sir.

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at October 20, 2017 04:03 PM (EATOD)

525 He lost all of his moral authority when he tried, against the laws of the land over which he was chief exec, to foist off Amnesty on the American people.


Posted by: jdavid at October 20, 2017 04:48 PM (9oCwD)

526 "47% of the voters have no stake in the system and they vote themselves a free lunch."

No, no, NO! The "47%" figure is extremely misleading. It refers to the approximate percentage of federal income tax filers who end the year with no net tax liability, i.e., they don't owe any taxes, usually because they either didn't make enough taxable income to owe taxes, or due to tax deductions or credits that reduce their liability below zero. I note further than many of these deductions and credits, such as home mortgage interest, child/educational credits, etc., benefit the hard-working middle class and are not mere "handouts".

While the wisdom of shifting the nation's tax burden to an ever-narrowing strata of "rich" people can certainly be questioned, claiming tax deductions/credits that are LEGALLY yours does not make you some kind of freeloader with "no stake in the system" who "votes themselves a free lunch". Also, just because a person has no FEDERAL income tax liability doesn't mean they aren't paying state or local taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc., nor does it mean they have no interest in the future of their nation or their community. Sorry, but that whole 47% thing is a pet peeve of mine that I can't help calling out whenever I see it.

Posted by: Secret Square at October 20, 2017 04:49 PM (+HoK2)

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