538 Statistician: "I Used to Think Gun Control Was the Answer. My Research Told Me Otherwise."

America's Garbage Pile newspaper, the Washington Post, only lets you view a few of their dreck stories every month. Which is fine, because there are so few worth reading.

However, this is a new month, and you probably have a few free reads to your credit. If so, use one to read the only worthwhile story they're likely to publish this month.

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies Iíd lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didnít prove much about what America's policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an "assault weapon." Itís an invented classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, such as a bayonet mount, a rocket-propelled grenade-launcher mount, a folding stock or a pistol grip. But guns are modular, and any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, just as if they were snapping together Legos.

As for silencers -- they deserve that name only in movies, where they reduce gunfire to a soft puick puick. In real life, silencers limit hearing damage for shooters but donít make gunfire dangerously quiet. An AR-15 with a silencer is about as loud as a jackhammer. Magazine limits were a little more promising, but a practiced shooter could still change magazines so fast as to make the limit meaningless.

As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference.

She talks about some "interventions" she think could work. For example: 2/3rds of all gun deaths are actually suicides; if you want to reduce suicide by guns, you should just increase suicide prevention efforts.

Another large swath of gun deaths are to young males involved in street crime. If you want to reduce that, you beef up programs to reduce street crime and intervene with at-risk youth and you identify gangsters and you target them for gun-checks. Or that kind of thing.

What progressives mean when they talk about "common sense gun safety laws" is simple widespread gun confiscation. They claim they don't want that, and yet, every time this issue comes up, they point to Australian and Britain as models of what we should do -- countries in which there was a state-enforced near-complete involuntary disarmament of the population.

So which is it, progs? Do you want full-on confiscation or not?

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Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 08:38 PM (jHrzU)

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Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 04, 2017 08:39 PM (79p/O)

3 OMG, I'm runner up!

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 04, 2017 08:40 PM (79p/O)

4 What's interesting about that article is that as she researched, her focus shifted from the object (gun) to the person wielding the object. It's a tacit acknowledgement that the issue isn't the object but the person wielding it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 04, 2017 08:40 PM (dEQP3)

5 Who was it that was tweeting today that they can't confiscate the guns because the dang NRA has told everyone stories that they want to confiscate our guns?

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 08:40 PM (jHrzU)

6 "communist sense gun safety laws"

Forward, comrades.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 08:40 PM (2wRtc)

7 Too true. And more's the pity facts amd logic don't drive the discussion.
And, yeah - they want us disarmed because, push comes to shove, they want us dead.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 08:41 PM (fA1SL)

8 Articles like this don't matter, the progs control the narrative.

in the space of two days the democrats have forced the GOP to table gun liberalization laws and get behind new gun control laws.

Say goodbye to the bump stock.

The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 04, 2017 08:41 PM (Wtll+)

9 Fkhead broke a half dozen federal laws, what would one more do.?

Posted by: Skip at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (ghofu)

10 I dont condone theft, but the term theft implies there is value in what is being taken. Once you hit the free article limit, open any subsequent link in an incognito window to bypass the paywall.

Posted by: Adam Stewart at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (lHBw+)

11 Damn, coulda been top 10.

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (nsbEX)

12 I can't believe this honest article appeared in that rag.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (Ri/rl)

13 "So which is it, progs? Do you want full-on confiscation or not?"

They hate us and want us to die. So they want full confiscation first. However, I have to say I am astonished that a more factually-based piece on the subject of guns actually made into the WaPo.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (NWiLs)

14 IBGATS.

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (nsbEX)

15 The Red Pill !

More powerful than The Narrative !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (z3Hmr)

16 As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less
clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big
difference.
===


Welcome to Room 101, Winston Smith.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (2wRtc)

17 And from Chris Stigall, you can't legislate crazy.

Posted by: Skip at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (ghofu)

18 Fkhead broke a half dozen federal laws, what would one more do.?

Just one more law, and we'll have paradise on Earth! -- every leftist

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (fVubI)

19 Can't wait to try out my new silencer when I go coon hunting with my hounds tomorrow night.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (XFue2)

20 When I was going to lunch today, I heard part of Rush's show. He was saying things like, "Does your fork make you fat? Does your pen misspell words? Does your car jump the curb and hit a fire hydrant?"

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (sdi6R)

21 So which is it, progs? Do you want full-on confiscation or not?

Fox had an interesting bit about how many of the Dems who have been vocal about gun control have kept their mouths shut about gun control after Las Vegas, e.g. Claire McCaskill. Clearly they put their electoral fortunes above human life.

Shocking, I know.

Posted by: pep at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (LAe3v)

22 >>So which is it, progs? Do you want full-on confiscation or not?

This is a trick question, right?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (/tuJf)

23 Report: General Kelly 'Pulled Off' Air Force One Flight to Las Vegas, May Resign This Week

-Insty

Good

Posted by: 2014 Calling at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (mcI77)

24 Welcome to Room 101, Winston Smith.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (2wRtc)

LOL!

Mort, you crack me up!

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 08:44 PM (Enq6K)

25 what the washington post fake news propaganda slut doesn't understand is

her argument was never with the statistics

it was with the constitution

Posted by: happyfeet at October 04, 2017 08:44 PM (mLfQi)

26 Punish everyone so we don't have to focus on the people causing the lion's share of the damage.

We'll feel better that way.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 08:44 PM (kuiuS)

27 What's interesting about that article is that as she researched, her focus shifted from the object (gun) to the person wielding the object.

It's almost like people weren't full of it when they said the gun is just a tool.

Posted by: no good deed at October 04, 2017 08:44 PM (eIQHF)

28 15 The Red Pill !

More powerful than The Narrative !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 08:42 PM (z3Hmr)

You can OD on both.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 08:44 PM (XFue2)

29 4 What's interesting about that article is that as she researched, her focus shifted from the object (gun) to the person wielding the object. It's a tacit acknowledgement that the issue isn't the object but the person wielding it.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 04, 2017 08:40 PM (dEQP3)

Which is what all us toothless, meth-cookin', sister-drivin', truck-humpin', inbred gun-clinging redneck unpeople from Jesusland flyover country have been saying all along

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 08:44 PM (NWiLs)

30 Well, the New Republic is honest at least. yes, they want to take all the guns away. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 08:45 PM (P8951)

31 16 As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less
clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big
difference.
===


Welcome to Room 101, Winston Smith.
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 08:43 PM (2wRtc)

Aw, rats!

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 08:45 PM (NWiLs)

32 The answer is not gun control -its #ConcertControl.
Frances strict gun control laws didn't help the Eagles of Death Metal.
And no guns were even needed in Manchester.

When the founders wrote a right to live music they couldn't even imagine ipods, amazon streaming, or even auto-tuning your cat as removing the need for actual musicians/

...wait their isn't a right to music? So much the better. And if it saves just one life it will totes be justified.

Posted by: HowardDevore at October 04, 2017 08:45 PM (m5q3j)

33 Local Fox station interviewed a coffee shop owner who had immigrated from U.K. 10 years ago and asked him why he gave up his gun. "I like guns, but I love my wife and some more." Asked if confronted in his house by an armed robber. "I'd just use a baseball bat." And the closer "we put a man on the moon, I think we can get everyone to turn in their guns."

I looked at my wife and told her his house is probably being cased now. What a fucking limey maroon.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 04, 2017 08:45 PM (WRDjq)

34 It's not that they want full frontal gun confiscation. They want us dead.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 08:46 PM (XFue2)

35 When lutefisk is outlawed, only outlaws will have lutefisk

Posted by: at October 04, 2017 08:46 PM (fSf/G)

36 The 2nd amendment was written so that citizens could protect the Government not so citizens could protect themselves from a tyrannical government, according to a Blue Checkmark on Twitter.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 08:46 PM (dKiJG)

37 Nope, sorry, Truth is harmless (even beneficial), and you can't OD on it. More is better, even.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (z3Hmr)

38 Attention Horde:

Keep an eye on the tropical depression that could morph into a hurricane and hit Alabama, Georgia and the Florida panhandle.

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (nsbEX)

39 34
It's not that they want full frontal gun confiscation. They want us dead.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe


Not true. Who would build their pyramids?

Posted by: pep at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (LAe3v)

40 My favorite straw man-- and I'm disappointed it hasn't come up-- is that reichwingers want to buy tanks, cannon, fighter jets and so on. I.e. literally no restrictions.

On-topic, though, the Empress's point can also be made about the TSA and security theater. Me with a knife: shouldn't be a problem. Stabby al-Stabface, though?

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (UWw/8)

41 'Secret life,' the sheriff said. Hmmm.....possible furry?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 08:48 PM (fA1SL)

42 Attention Horde:



Keep an eye on the tropical depression that could morph into a hurricane and hit Alabama, Georgia and the Florida panhandle.

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (nsbEX)


Already watching it. Saturday is the anniversary of Hurricane Matthew hitting us.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:48 PM (PY9jH)

43 My favorite straw man-- and I'm disappointed it hasn't come up-- is that
reichwingers want to buy tanks, cannon, fighter jets and so on. I.e.
literally no restrictions.


Sorry, but that very thing has been asserted on these very pages many times.

Posted by: pep at October 04, 2017 08:48 PM (LAe3v)

44 Rep. Bill Flores (R-TX) is taking a stand for gun control by calling for a ban on bump stocks following Stephen Paddock's use of the devices in the Las Vegas attack.
-BB

Flores wants us dead too.
Do not give them an inch.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 08:48 PM (mcI77)

45 How can they confiscate all my guns after they all fell out of the canoe?

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 08:49 PM (jHrzU)

46 Like women in Maoist China, the left wants us to dream big dreams. Right after our re-education is complete.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 04, 2017 08:49 PM (ylUqT)

47 Gun ownership should be encouraged by the government at all levels.

Tax credits for gun purchases and classes and ammo.
Gun safety and marksmanship classes encouraged in the schools from grade 6th to 12th.
CCW across state lines.
Public gun ranges in every county run by the CMP on land generously donated by the state.

A man can dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2017 08:49 PM (nUkMr)

48 Keep an eye on the tropical depression that could morph into a hurricane and hit Alabama, Georgia and the Florida panhandle.
Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (nsbEX)

----------

Yeah, just saw an early forecast that it will hit the Gulf Coast as a hurricane over the weekend.

Posted by: Sidedraft at October 04, 2017 08:49 PM (I16G8)

49 When lutefisk is outlawed, only outlaws will have lutefisk

Posted by: at October 04, 2017 08:46 PM (fSf/G)
=================================

Which is right and proper.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 08:50 PM (lwiT4)

50 If predicted "Nate" comes this way, it will be a repeat of Irma that we're still recovering from. Tornadoes, heavy rain, storm surge, etc.

So tired of this.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:50 PM (PY9jH)

51 "39 34
It's not that they want full frontal gun confiscation. They want us dead.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe

Not true. Who would build their pyramids?
Posted by: pep at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (LAe3v)"


Their enslaved Millennials, of course.
It's not like they have any other useful skills.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 08:51 PM (z3Hmr)

52 39 34
It's not that they want full frontal gun confiscation. They want us dead.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe

Not true. Who would build their pyramids?
Posted by: pep at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (LAe3v)

The aliens.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 08:51 PM (XFue2)

53 That's simple, Ace: They want full confiscation.

They are just trying to get the frog in the pot first.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 08:51 PM (rb1zT)

54 52 39 34
It's not that they want full frontal gun confiscation. They want us dead.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe

Not true. Who would build their pyramids?
Posted by: pep at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (LAe3v)

The aliens.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 08:51 PM (XFue2)

Worked the first time.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 08:51 PM (NWiLs)

55 8 Articles like this don't matter, the progs control the narrative.

Say goodbye to the bump stock.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 04, 2017 08:41 PM (Wtll+)


The leftists control the media and other propaganda outlets, but actual gun ownership is arguably more popular than ever.

As for the bump stock, I don't want them banned but they're more a novelty than anything else and, from what I understand, make the weapon more difficult to control. They can also be improvised from rubber bands, belts, and other common items.

I think conservatives still have the upper hand in this debate.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at October 04, 2017 08:51 PM (nvMvs)

56 I'd buy a warthog. The neighbors would stop complaining about the loud music tout suite.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 08:52 PM (J2oJa)

57 Georgia cannot handle anymore rain.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 08:52 PM (XFue2)

58 38 Attention Horde:

Keep an eye on the tropical depression that could morph into a hurricane and hit Alabama, Georgia and the Florida panhandle.
Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:47 PM (nsbEX)

Yeah I will be driving thru it, we are going to Disney World. We are leaving Sunday night so we can check in on Monday, it will be a FUN drive.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 08:52 PM (dKiJG)

59 My favorite straw man-- and I'm disappointed it hasn't come up-- is that reichwingers want to buy tanks, cannon, fighter jets and so on. I.e. literally no restrictions.

The ambulance chaser in Houston who has a WW2 tank parked in front of his house right now cracks me up. Just flat out telling the HOA to pound sand, he'll move it when he's ready.

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:52 PM (nsbEX)

60 Midnight Basketball will solve everything.

Posted by: Bruce at October 04, 2017 08:52 PM (8ikIW)

61 Tim Kaine weighs in on Las Vegas and what the massacre says about silencers.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycdx6run

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 04, 2017 08:53 PM (ylUqT)

62 Robert De Niro and his friends use bolt action rifles when they go hunting in Deer Hunter.

Only man children and wannabe marines who are too pussy to actually sign up use assault weapons for anything. And that anything is basically masturbation because they can't feel like a real man without a stupid amount of firepower in their tiny girl like hands.

If you can't feel like a man without an assault weapon than you're definitely not a man with one.

Posted by: Assault weapon pussies at October 04, 2017 08:53 PM (Q/14T)

63 Their enslaved Millennials, of course.
It's not like they have any other useful skills.


-------

Hah! Total masonry FAIL.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 08:53 PM (J2oJa)

64 "47 Gun ownership should be encouraged by the government at all levels.

Tax credits for gun purchases and classes and ammo.
Gun safety and marksmanship classes encouraged in the schools from grade 6th to 12th.
CCW across state lines.
Public gun ranges in every county run by the CMP on land generously donated by the state.

A man can dream.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2017 08:49 PM (nUkMr)"


O dear lord, this. All of it.
Hear our prayers, O God - Emperor !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 08:53 PM (z3Hmr)

65 The Demoncrats think they are the Lords and Ladies of the Manor house and they need serfs and not armed citizens.

The crossbow and the muzzle-loader were two weapons that greatly leveled the social structure. No longer would it take years to learn a weapon.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (a9VQa)

66 In fairness, Britain is a paradise of freedom without any violence whatsoever.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (VWp7G)

67 Of, course, they know damn well the inner city gangstas would not obediently line up to turn in their guns. the limbs don't want those guns. They want the crackas guns.

you'd think people who pride themselves on their smarts would employ a bit more tact. it's not too damn bright to be all "you damned racist redneck Trumpists! we want you to die,! now hand over your guns."

Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (P8951)

68 in the space of two days the democrats have forced the GOP to table gun liberalization laws and get behind new gun control laws.

Say goodbye to the bump stock.

The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 04, 2017 08:41 PM (Wtll+)

Here's a suggestion: why not trade the bump stocks for suppressors? Put the former into the 1934 NFA, and take the latter out. The bump stocks are basically toys that let one legally experience the thrill of firing an assault rifle in full auto mode, but they are basically useless for hunting or serious target shooting. And those that really, really want one can still ante up the two hundred bucks for the tax stamp and jump through the NFA hoops to get one.

But suppressors are useful to anyone who shoots rifles or pistols (revolvers excepted). Mainly to protect the shooters' own hearing. A lot more utility to the average shooter than a bump stock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (O848g)

69 I keep hearing "Jimmy Kimmel has a genius IQ". When I hear Shapiro fisking him, Kimmel sounds like a semi-retarded cretin. What credible evidence is there that he is intelligent? Even if he is a genius (hypothetically), if he says stupid things, that some clever person like Shapiro disproves, why believe him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9AsdWg73E

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (/qEW2)

70 41 'Secret life,' the sheriff said. Hmmm.....possible furry?

I bet 30 quatloos on Brony.

Sorry, but that very thing has been asserted on these very pages many times.

Oh? Huh. Missed it. I miss everything fun.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (UWw/8)

71 Georgia cannot handle anymore rain.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 08:52 PM (XFue2)


Or high winds and storm surge. A nearby retirement community evacuated all their residents. The residents vehicles were all destroyed by salt water.


This state hasn't seen anything close to this in 100+ years.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (PY9jH)

72 >>If you can't feel like a man without an assault weapon than you're definitely not a man with one.

What's and assault weapon?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (/tuJf)

73 Yeah, right. Silencers are the compelling issue of the day.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (J2oJa)

74 I wish Marie Harf had got the scumbag a job, so that his evil plan to murder as many people as possible could have been thwarted.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (ylUqT)

75 Only Literally Hitler's well trained military can be trusted with guns.

Posted by: mugiwara at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (I7hGG)

76 Terrorist is a racial slur according the jerk on Tucker. Wow.

Posted by: no good deed at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (eIQHF)

77 I think I've said this before, but I'm currently at work, and I could leave the building right now, head to 15th & Wingohocking, and come back with at least one gun in under an hour. Make all the laws you want, dullards; criminals don't care.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (VWp7G)

78 Mmmm. Trolls.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (rb1zT)

79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (PY9jH)

80 If you can't feel like a man without an assault weapon than you're definitely not a man with one.
===================================


My favorite gun is my .38 pink Lady Smith revolver. I don't feel like a man when I'm using it. Should I be worried?

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (lwiT4)

81 The progressives want you dead.

Period.

Full stop.

End of discussion.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (MCEs2)

82 I think conservatives still have the upper hand in this debate.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at October 04, 2017 08:51 PM (nvMvs)


Yes, but sadly, we are only "represented" by spineless Republican weasels and are subject to courts stocked with progressive pond scum.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (gwPgz)

83 And the closer "we put a man on the moon, I think we can get everyone to turn in their guns."

Fact: the United States both protects your right to self-defense and is the only country to have put men on the moon.

The two are not unrelated.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (fVubI)

84 Holly shit. The guy on Tucker looks like a real life Shrek.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (IWbvi)

85 79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.

-------

When you get accustomed to a head or two being sawed off in he street, it doesn't seem wise to upset the old apple cart.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (J2oJa)

86 My favorite straw man-- and I'm disappointed it hasn't come up-- is that reichwingers want to buy tanks, cannon, fighter jets and so on. I.e. literally no restrictions.

In Stephenson's Snowcrash there is a character who has a Harley and the sidecar is a surplus Soviet H bomb.

Being an individual nuclear power gave him a lot of leverage in business negotiations.

I'd kinda like that. So I guess not so much a strawman....

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (jHrzU)

87 Some pussy thinks the Second Amendment is about deer hunting. Ze got that idea from a 70s movie.

you're pretty stupid, troll.

Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (P8951)

88 >>>Holly shit. The guy on Tucker looks like a real life Shrek.

Okay, Donkey...

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (VWp7G)

89 This idiot on Tucker just brought up Dylan Roof.

The shooter in Antioch, TN went down the MFM's memory hole because he said he was getting even for Dylan Roof.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (PY9jH)

90 79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (PY9jH)


At this point in history, I care this much about what the Brits think----->.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (mcI77)

91 My favorite gun is my .38 pink Lady Smith revolver. I don't feel like a man when I'm using it. Should I be worried?

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (lwiT4)

Does it have a pistol grip or other 'assault' paraphernalia?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (rb1zT)

92 86. Armoured train, for me.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (fA1SL)

93 Ignore the troll, grammie.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (z3Hmr)

94 The comments at that WaPo article are entirely predictable, with a few clear-headed souls fighting the uphill battle to educate the rest of the loons.

Posted by: bluebell at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (UoSKV)

95 What else are the Brits going to say. They can't even have a fox hunt, which has no guns.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 04, 2017 08:58 PM (Fe+S/)

96 59 My favorite straw man-- and I'm disappointed it hasn't come up-- is that reichwingers want to buy tanks, cannon, fighter jets and so on. I.e. literally no restrictions.

The ambulance chaser in Houston who has a WW2 tank parked in front of his house right now cracks me up. Just flat out telling the HOA to pound sand, he'll move it when he's ready.
Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 04, 2017 08:52 PM (nsbEX)

It's legal to buy a cannon, you just can't buy one with a breach loader.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 08:58 PM (dKiJG)

97 I'm watching the willingness to accept reasonable gun controls rising on the right

Posted by: Paul Ryan, Human Weathervane at October 04, 2017 08:58 PM (ylUqT)

98 >>Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

>>They really aren't fond of us. At all.

Well, American citizens did take their personal weapons and kick the ass of the most powerful country in the world, them, and that kind of thing will leave a mark.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 04, 2017 08:58 PM (/tuJf)

99 The ancient Irish thought they'd poison the Viking raiders with rotten fish, but the invaders liked it. Thus the birth of lutefisk.

Posted by: Zombie Stan Boreson at October 04, 2017 08:58 PM (fSf/G)

100 In fairness, Britain is a paradise of freedom without any violence whatsoever.

The reality is, the guy emigrated from Britain to take advantage of the "halo effect" of being around armed people who could legally defend themselves. In Britain, occupied-home burglary is one of the most common crimes -- it's virtually unheard of in the US.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 04, 2017 08:58 PM (fVubI)

101 79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.


=====

Being ruled over is in the Brits DNA. They do what they're told.


Americans are pretty much the opposite. Well....some of them anyway.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (Enq6K)

102 >>>They can't even have a fox hunt, which has no guns.

Foxes in Britain? Maybe Kate Middleton.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (VWp7G)

103 79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (PY9jH)

I think I can bear their disappointment/disapproval.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (rb1zT)

104 Yes, but sadly, we are only "represented" by spineless Republican weasels and are subject to courts stocked with progressive pond scum.
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (gwPgz)

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We also have the NRA, which scres the hell out of all Congress dwellers not from batshit cray cray Libtard states.

Posted by: Sidedraft at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (I16G8)

105 An armed peasant can be a citizen;
whereas an unarmed "resident" is always a serf!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (gwPgz)

106 Does it have a pistol grip or other 'assault' paraphernalia?



Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (rb1zT)
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It had a thing that went up, but I emasculated it. I feel much better about it now.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (lwiT4)

107 I keep hearing "Jimmy Kimmel has a genius IQ". When I hear Shapiro fisking him, Kimmel sounds like a semi-retarded cretin. What credible evidence is there that he is intelligent? Even if he is a genius (hypothetically), if he says stupid things, that some clever person like Shapiro disproves, why believe him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9AsdWg73E

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 08:54 PM (/qEW2)



We were told for years that Barry was a genius too. Never saw any evidence of that. Same goes for Dimmy Kimmel

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (auHtY)

108 Yeah Raven was a force to reckon with until YT's dentata zapped him.

But if there is anything to learn from Raven is, never use glass shards; Uncle Enzo is right.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 09:00 PM (a9VQa)

109 79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.


We kicked those wankers out, then had to remind them in 1812, then they supported the Confederacy against us.

Then we saved their bacon in two world wars. At the risk of sounding imperialist, we should invade them, take their oil[/] coal or whatever, and make them our vassals.

But it totes won't be an empire.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 04, 2017 09:00 PM (UWw/8)

110
This woman will be removed to the Attu bureau of the Nat'l Laffer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:00 PM (mbhDw)

111 "Fact: the United States both protects your right to self-defense and is the only country to have put men on the moon.

The two are not unrelated.
Posted by: Rob Crawford "

Deserves repeating.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 09:00 PM (z3Hmr)

112 Of course the same thing would happen if logic, critical thinking, and available facts were actually applied to evaluate any other "progressive" policy "idea".

Gee, how incalculably galactic an amount of money has been spent on Medicaid since its inception, with what results - and how many times have serious studies even been conducted? What - one study, in OR? After decades, and trillions of $?

If one keeps in mind that the people we're talking about are driven by varying amounts of racism, authoritarian instinct, and stupidity, it's much easier to see the bigger picture.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

113 The beauty of focusing on the user is you target a select demographic.


If you want.


Or wait until an existing law is broke.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 04, 2017 09:01 PM (IWbvi)

114 We also have the NRA, which scares the hell out of all Congress dwellers not from batshit cray cray Libtard states.

Posted by: Sidedraft at October 04, 2017 08:59 PM (I16G


That reminds me, I need to renew my membership stat!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:01 PM (gwPgz)

115

Eureka!

Let's ban suicide!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:01 PM (AmGHy)

116 >>>The two are not unrelated.

How else can we protest the moon from being invaded by anal-probing aliens?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 04, 2017 09:01 PM (VWp7G)

117 33 Local Fox station interviewed a coffee shop owner who had immigrated from U.K. 10 years ago and asked him why he gave up his gun. "I like guns, but I love my wife and some more." Asked if confronted in his house by an armed robber. "I'd just use a baseball bat." And the closer "we put a man on the moon, I think we can get everyone to turn in their guns."

I looked at my wife and told her his house is probably being cased now. What a fucking limey maroon.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 04, 2017 08:45 PM (WRDjq)


Has anybody explained to him that if he used a baseball bat in self-defense in England, he'd be arrested?

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:01 PM (sdi6R)

118 79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (PY9jH)

The word you are searching for is "jealousy."

Especially in the wake of the raping and beheading by practitioners of the ROP in Albion these days.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (mbhDw)

119 *protect.

Dammit.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (VWp7G)

120 off topic

so around how much do you guys pay for internet connection?

do you rent your router?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (hMwEB)

121 @68

Or how about we trade nothing and the GOP does what it's voters want them to do.

We didn't send these fucks to congress to chip away at our rights.

And we certainly don't offer up the donks to collect a trophy.

Fuck that shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (Wtll+)

122 79; the brits can suck the queens' dick. fuck em they're done anyway.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (KP5rU)

123 115

Eureka!

Let's ban suicide!
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:01 PM (AmGHy)

We'll save 62 million lives a week!

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (NWiLs)

124 Oh god I'm so sorry. That was not good and I unreservedly, unabashedly, and inaudibly apologize.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (UWw/8)

125 You know, we're always lectured on how we should respect other cultures. Well, where is the respect for our culture?Why the f does the rest of the planet care so much what we do?. It's none of their business.

Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (P8951)

126 NO GUNS FOR YOU!

Posted by: the gun nazi at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (hyZqB)

127 Well, I'monna sign off. I feel guilty just sitting here commenting. Have dealt with some awful news from a friend this afternoon.

Now we have to prepare for another possible hit from another big storm.

Have a great evening, all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (PY9jH)

128 Crap. Rev's home from church and I'm not finished drinking all the wine. Get married they said. You can share your lives together, they said. Crap.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (lwiT4)

129 That picture of Dylan Roof in cuffs with his tongue out looks like he was on a heavy dose of drugs with that obvious cotton mouth.

Or was cotton mouth a dog whistle?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (XFue2)

130 Loon on Tucker: "White shooter privilege". White shooters have privilege that shooters of color do not.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (8O3HH)

131
so around how much do you guys pay for internet connection?


$0.

I tether off my metropcs device.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (AmGHy)

132
Caller on Limbaugh had a brilliant observation: the Left is always - ALWAYS - agitating to pass laws and control issues that are completely out of our hands as human beings and as a society.

The climate? Crime? Guns? Healthcare? ALL. OF. IT.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (mbhDw)

133 Grammie is going to have to share the Riesling ja?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (a9VQa)

134 128 Crap. Rev's home from church and I'm not finished drinking all the wine. Get married they said. You can share your lives together, they said. Crap.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (lwiT4)


It's your birthday. You get all the wine...I say.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (Enq6K)

135 I feel guilty just sitting here commenting. Have dealt with some awful news from a friend this afternoon.

Now we have to prepare for another possible hit from another big storm.

Have a great evening, all.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (PY9jH)
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Jane - oh no! That doesn't sound good. I hope you can get some rest. I'll pray for you, sweetie.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (lwiT4)

136 128 Crap. Rev's home from church and I'm not finished drinking all the wine. Get married they said. You can share your lives together, they said. Crap.
Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (lwiT4)

So pour him a glass or two, get him liquored up then take indecent liberties with him. This isn't rocket science.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (NWiLs)

137 Note that the Brits took the guns, and now ignore violent crime in favor of policing demeanor crimes among the law-abiding.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (oVJmc)

138 My favorite gun is my .38 pink Lady Smith revolver. I don't feel like a man when I'm using it. Should I be worried?
Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (lwiT4)

Ummmmm.....No.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (nUkMr)

139 79 Go to the Daily Mail comments and see what the Brits think about us and our guns.

They really aren't fond of us. At all.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (PY9jH)

They have Knife controls, for certain knives you have to file paperwork with the Police, Chefs have a hard time getting knives with pointy ends. They sell slash resistant clothing in the UK.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (dKiJG)

140 Attach bump stock ban to the 20 week abortion ban.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (JyFLk)

141 so around how much do you guys pay for internet connection?

do you rent your router?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (hMwEB)


$30/mo DSL including VZ provided router.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:05 PM (gwPgz)

142 They have Knife controls, for certain knives you have to file paperwork with the Police, Chefs have a hard time getting knives with pointy ends. They sell slash resistant clothing in the UK.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (dKiJG)

Slash and stab resistant clothing isn't a bad idea. The rest of it is bollocks.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 09:05 PM (NWiLs)

143 Have we talked about banning Sonobi yet ?

WTF ??

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 04, 2017 09:05 PM (M+Lyo)

144 My favorite gun is my .38 pink Lady Smith revolver. I don't feel like a man when I'm using it. Should I be worried?

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 08:55 PM (lwiT4)

My girlfriend wants a Lady Smith, which would be a step up in quality from the Taurus model 85 she carries now (she loves snubbies). After checking it out, I grudgingly admit I wouldn't mind one, myself. They're very well-made revolvers. I've seen nothing but good reviews.

Posted by: troyriser at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (oqXuO)

145 Attach bump stock ban to the 20 week abortion ban.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (JyFLk)


I admire your ability to pretend that any GOPe type legislator has a spine!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (gwPgz)

146 140 Attach bump stock ban to the 20 week abortion ban.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (JyFLk)


That would require morals, ethics and scruples. Paul Ryan lacks all of them, the fucking stooge.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (mbhDw)

147 Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:01 PM (sdi6R)

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Don't think he'd even get the donut off during a home invasion. Just the fact that he called the police and asked where he could turn his guns in. And he can vote.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (WRDjq)

148 I own my router, the modem is the cable company's.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (NWiLs)

149 The left has screamed gun control forever. The day they scream a ban on ammunition will be the bridge too far.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (Fe+S/)

150 So pour him a glass or two, get him liquored up then take indecent liberties with him. This isn't rocket science.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (NWiLs)
===========================

I have to catch him early in the day. Two sips, he's snoring with the lumberjacks. Ah well. There's always baseball....

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (lwiT4)

151 Loon on Tucker: "White shooter privilege". White shooters have privilege that shooters of color do not.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at October 04, 2017 09:03 PM (8O3HH)



So all of the multiple shootings that happen every day on the south side of Chicago happen without any privilege but still happen any way? And what about the privilege of all of the white people who got killed?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 09:07 PM (auHtY)

152 Only 3 hours left.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at October 04, 2017 09:07 PM (hyZqB)

153 I am endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed.
What's so hard to understand about this?

Posted by: Eromero at October 04, 2017 09:07 PM (zLDYs)

154 JJ and Hrothgar, I am represented by Incandescent Fred. I know all about spineless congress critters.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:07 PM (JyFLk)

155 Look, this Paddock guy was an accountant. Clearly, he was driven to this act in reaction to years of stress from trying to deal with IRS regulations and rules.

Connect the dots people!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 09:07 PM (5IJky)

156 141 so around how much do you guys pay for internet connection?

do you rent your router?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (hMwEB)

$30/mo DSL including VZ provided router.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:05 PM (gwPgz)


We pay about $78 a month but that's landline and internet service.

Modem is theirs....Router is ours.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:08 PM (Enq6K)

157 154 JJ and Hrothgar, I am represented by Incandescent Fred. I know all about spineless congress critters.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:07 PM (JyFLk)


And I have Gerald Nadler. Jeez, what a choice; projectile colitis or shingles of the eyes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:08 PM (mbhDw)

158 Attach bump stock ban to the 20 week abortion ban.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (JyFLk)


This. Is. Genius.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 09:08 PM (jHrzU)

159 Oh when was the recent thread about cord-cutting? I can't seem to find it...

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:08 PM (hMwEB)

160 so around how much do you guys pay for internet connection?

do you rent your router?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (hMwEB)

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$40 for business speed internet and I own the router. Belkin with a lifetime warranty from BestBuy.

Posted by: Sidedraft at October 04, 2017 09:09 PM (I16G8)

161 Anyone think they are just using 'privilege' to keep from saying 'racist' all the time. It's a mild way to get people to shut up and go along instead of calling someone a racist, which tends to piss them off.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 09:09 PM (rb1zT)

162 I have 75/75 service with FIOS for $59/month. I bought the router from them for $99 I think.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 09:09 PM (jHrzU)

163 155 Look, this Paddock guy was an accountant. Clearly, he was driven to this act in reaction to years of stress from trying to deal with IRS regulations and rules.

Connect the dots people!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 09:07 PM (5IJky)

He also once had a job with the USPS.

Mailman + Tax Auditor is the worst mix of going postal ever.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at October 04, 2017 09:09 PM (ce4vQ)

164 In other news, 'Glee' actor convicted for child porn. Who would have guessed?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 09:09 PM (5IJky)

165 164 In other news, 'Glee' actor convicted for child porn. Who would have guessed?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 09:09 PM (5IJky)


Is Glee still on?

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:10 PM (Enq6K)

166 149 The left has screamed gun control forever. The day they scream a ban on ammunition will be the bridge too far.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 04, 2017 09:06 PM (Fe+S/)


Obamacare and then single-payer - which will be here to stay - will be the route. "Guns and bullets are dangerous to your health. Choose one, prole: guns or healthcare."

And then, bedlam.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:10 PM (mbhDw)

167 165
Is Glee still on?
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:10 PM (Enq6K)

Retitled. Now called "Gleet."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:10 PM (mbhDw)

168 Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (hMwEB)


I use Century link for my dsl internet. I still have a land line bc of dad. They charge me 30 bucks a month on the phone bill. I had rented a router until that one took a shit, they had to replace it and there has been no charge for that since. I think the router rental was 7 per month. But then they replace their equipment for free.

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (NuO9F)

169
I think this is probably the first murder or crime in general in which a bump stock was used.

IIRC, after the NFA (1934 or whenever the hell), only one class 3 full auto weapon was used in a crime, and that was by some LEO. I think I remember that.

Heard another loon from a clip on FOX: "If you own a gun, you are a bad parent. You are not protecting your children, but putting them in danger!"

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (8O3HH)

170 139
They sell slash resistant clothing in the UK.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (dKiJG)


That won't protect your face, though.

Unless you wear a burka.

Hmm. Maybe that's the point.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (sdi6R)

171 Has Son of Mailman ever worked for the IRS?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (a9VQa)

172 Huh.

I am looking at Philly area internet only prices and they seem a bit higher than what y'all guys get

afaik my only two choices are comcast(xfinity) & verizon(fios)


Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (hMwEB)

173 Why is the WaPo publishing a piece that says "common sense" gun laws aren't the answer?

An opening shot in a new battle plan to go from "gun control" to "gun ban and confiscation" is my bet.

Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (AMIL/)

174 White shooters have privilege that shooters of color do not.

Oh, and the privilege is they have to look for the motive of a white guy that doesn't declare his motive from the outset. Believing the motive of someone who is Islamic and declares he's killing in the name of his religion is racist. He was deep thinker.

Posted by: no good deed at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (eIQHF)

175 156 141 so around how much do you guys pay for internet connection?

do you rent your router?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:02 PM (hMwEB)

$30/mo DSL including VZ provided router.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:05 PM (gwPgz)


We pay about $78 a month but that's landline and internet service.

Modem is theirs....Router is ours.
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:08 PM (Enq6K)



Look into buying your own router. Your service provider should have a list of compatible modems and you should have no problem finding one, I have Time Warner/Spectrum and got a compatible modem at Wal-mart. The Modem rental is like $5-10 a month and you should be able to get a modem for around $100, so even if it is a bit more than that you'll have essentially paid it off in about a year.

Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (z/Ubi)

176 "169 I think this is probably the first murder or crime in general in which a bump stock was used."

ISIS having seen their effectiveness are currently buying them in bulk

Posted by: Assault weapon pussies at October 04, 2017 09:12 PM (Q/14T)

177 buying your own modem, not router. Of course you should buy your own router too.

Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2017 09:12 PM (z/Ubi)

178 So her solution is to use analytics to take peoples guns away, before they do anything wrong...

OK then...

Because you get a restraining order not based on what you have done, but based SOLELY on what the 'victim' thinks you MIGHT do.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 09:12 PM (NgKpN)

179 Uncle Enzo was always right !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (z3Hmr)

180 "Trade" a second amendment- recognized right for anything else. Uhhh, no.

Posted by: RI Red - mindless minion of Ace of Bass at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (7s96z)

181 Movie Script
===

Ex-Phillipine female martial artist /political activist finds and establishes relationship with fairly wealthy American dude who has lots of guns and money. Conspires with Phillipine Muslim , boyfriend ( Paddock became obsessed with her ex husband) to keep soft-bodied untrained American high on Valium since July. She gets full access to guns and money and after spreading rumours about domestic abuse at the hotel, buys a ticket and bugs out. Phillipine Muslim boyfriend ( "exhubbie") sets up sniper nest around barely coherent , Valium-stoned American dupe. Phillipine Muslim boyfriend smashes windows , kills infidels for Allah for 10 minutes, hands American dupe a loaded weapon and tells him to fire through the door and does a fade into the panicked crowd.

Phillipine girlfriend has airtight alibi and tells FBI about domestic abuse and a slow progression into mental illness.

Despite no record whatsoever of 911 domestic violence calls to residence.


Whaddaya think? Will they buy it?

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (2wRtc)

182 I thought Gleet was the Wonder Twins' alien mascot?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (a9VQa)

183 Didn't The Daily Mail pull an article on the Shooters refrigerator sized safe full of guns. It's a gun safe lots of people own them not just to store guns but valuables and most are fire rated.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 09:14 PM (dKiJG)

184 And I currently pay $44/month. Internet only.

Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2017 09:14 PM (z/Ubi)

185 Modem is theirs....Router is ours.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:08 PM (Enq6K)


My VZ provided equipment (I misspoke somewhat above it being a router) serves as the DSL modem, provides 4 Ethernet ports (thus router), and provides wireless access as well.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:14 PM (gwPgz)

186 170 139
They sell slash resistant clothing in the UK.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (dKiJG)

That won't protect your face, though.

Unless you wear a burka.

Hmm. Maybe that's the point.
Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (sdi6R)

/looks at the knife scars on his arm...

Well... unless you are blocking or attacking with YOUR FACE.... uh... no an issue...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 09:14 PM (NgKpN)

187 Look into buying your own router. Your service provider should have a list of compatible modems and you should have no problem finding one, I have Time Warner/Spectrum and got a compatible modem at Wal-mart. The Modem rental is like $5-10 a month and you should be able to get a modem for around $100, so even if it is a bit more than that you'll have essentially paid it off in about a year.

Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2017 09:11 PM (z/Ubi)

I have Spectrum too. I'll check into that. Thanks Buzz!

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:15 PM (Enq6K)

188 I know a fine woman that had a business where she left later than most, walked to her car in a not great part of town. She carried ... awesome woman, also wind surfed, sporty fun person. Why would "feminists" want to take her "equalizer" away?

And for men ... same story really. The movies show hero men that take on ten with guns ... but that is crazy sheet. I don't want to be forced into a "fair fight" with three guys, or even one. I want to be able to dominate, or at least have a chance when the bad guys have a gun or three.

When my life is on the line in seconds, the cops are only many minutes away ... maybe. God bless America ... God darn the commie leftists that demand their corrupt government thugs dominate US.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2017 09:15 PM (yKAUL)

189
I have about, oh 10 or so, spare routers that I've acquired over the years. All but one still works -- that was some hardware failure.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at October 04, 2017 09:16 PM (8O3HH)

190 182 I thought Gleet was the Wonder Twins' alien mascot?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (a9VQa)



Gleek.


And the one on Space Ghost was Blip.

Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2017 09:16 PM (z/Ubi)

191 Uncle Enzo was always right !

Your uncle was Enzo Ferrari?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 04, 2017 09:16 PM (Wb4Gb)

192 182 I thought Gleet was the Wonder Twins' alien mascot?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (a9VQa)


I remember it as meaning VD, as described in the movie "Porky's Revenge."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:17 PM (mbhDw)

193

You guys pay for netflix, too, eh?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:17 PM (Wli2K)

194 181 Movie Script
===

Ex-Phillipine female martial artist /political activist finds and establishes relationship with fairly wealthy American dude who has lots of guns and money. Conspires with Phillipine Muslim , boyfriend ( Paddock became obsessed with her ex husband) to keep soft-bodied untrained American high on Valium since July. She gets full access to guns and money and after spreading rumours about domestic abuse at the hotel, buys a ticket and bugs out. Phillipine Muslim boyfriend ( "exhubbie") sets up sniper nest around barely coherent , Valium-stoned American dupe. Phillipine Muslim boyfriend smashes windows , kills infidels for Allah for 10 minutes, hands American dupe a loaded weapon and tells him to fire through the door and does a fade into the panicked crowd.

Phillipine girlfriend has airtight alibi and tells FBI about domestic abuse and a slow progression into mental illness.

Despite no record whatsoever of 911 domestic violence calls to residence.


Whaddaya think? Will they buy it?
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (2wRtc)

Welp - that spoils "Pixels" for this Adam Sandler fan. I hope you're happy.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at October 04, 2017 09:17 PM (ce4vQ)

195 191 Uncle Enzo was always right !

Your uncle was Enzo Ferrari?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 04, 2017 09:16 PM (Wb4Gb)


Enzo Stuarti (Ragu sauce pitchman, now mortadel )

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:18 PM (mbhDw)

196 Correction. I have a router/modum provided by Century Link.

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:18 PM (NuO9F)

197 You guys pay for netflix, too, eh?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:17 PM (Wli2K)

--------

Nope. Comes with my cell service plan.

Posted by: Sidedraft at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (I16G8)

198 6-0 D'backs

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (Enq6K)

199 Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (2wRtc)

Would make a great movie... but the Starlet has to be a HELL of a lot better looking than the real lady involved in the story...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (NgKpN)

200
So which is it, progs? Do you want full-on confiscation or not?

Of course they do. Or that's where they will end up. Either "sensible gun control" is prog taqiya or the ineffectiveness of each new regulation will lead to calls for even more draconian restrictions.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (ddrA7)

201 This is more about grabbing a cultural scalp than it is about reducing the number of shootings.

They want gun control because they know it makes Red State voters mad. Simple as that.

Posted by: cosmic at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (uc45P)

202 Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 04, 2017 09:13 PM (a9VQa)

---------

That was Gleek.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (WRDjq)

203 Remember: The left never argues in good faith. Gun control is not about guns - its about control. They want control over us and they know they can never have it as long as we are armed and can say "No". End of discussion.

Posted by: Clearly at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (gNQDb)

204 If you don't have the skills to roll your own encryption, this is coming soon...

https://www.invizbox.com/

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (2wRtc)

205 196 Correction. I have a router/modum provided by Century Link.
Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:18 PM (NuO9F)



DSL is a little bit of a different animal. When I had AT&T's I had to use their router/modem too.

But if you're going with a cable modem it definitely pays to buy your own.

Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (z/Ubi)

206 Would make a great movie... but the Starlet has to be a HELL of a lot better looking than the real lady involved in the story...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (NgKpN)


THAT should not be a problem!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (gwPgz)

207 We don't want to take anybody's guns away from them. It's their right, protected by the Constitution. Infringing on that right in unconscionable.

What we want is to restrict or eliminate people's rights to buy, trade, advertise, display, conceal, bequeath, inherit, store, load, fire, clean, look at, talk about or sell guns.

Posted by: WaterCow at October 04, 2017 09:20 PM (zkGZ8)

208 Snubbies rock !

Carry a J-frame myself.

Though as a "target demographic" (grayhaired white guy) (yeah some people go gray at 29, lookitup), I am considering augmenting my firepower somewhat ...

Because they really do want us dead.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 09:20 PM (z3Hmr)

209 200
So which is it, progs? Do you want full-on confiscation or not?

Of course they do. Or that's where they will end up. Either "sensible gun control" is prog taqiya or the ineffectiveness of each new regulation will lead to calls for even more draconian restrictions.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (ddrA7)


I do not want to deal with the Left because they, what's the word? LIE. Always. Taqqiya is not just for Ramadan anymore.

WAR.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2017 09:20 PM (mbhDw)

210 It's your birthday. You get all the wine...I say.
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:04

Tami, is it grammie's bday today? I missed that. It's my 62nd today, didn't know we shared a bday.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 09:20 PM (yJ1e6)

211 But if you're going with a cable modem it definitely pays to buy your own.

Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (z/Ubi)


When I had cable that's what I did, and it was very cost effective!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:21 PM (gwPgz)

212 I par $75/month for internet only, and I have my own modem and router.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:21 PM (sdi6R)

213
Doesn't take much for the Republicans to jump on board anything the radical alt-left (formerly the Democrat party) proposes/demands.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:21 PM (Wli2K)

214 "Of course they do. Or that's where they will end up. Either "sensible gun control" is prog taqiya or the ineffectiveness of each new regulation will lead to calls for even more draconian restrictions.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:19 PM (ddrA7)"

Embrace the power of "and" !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 09:21 PM (z3Hmr)

215 Huh, just got a call on the landline. Live English speaking human asking if I was aware of the referendums on the ballot next month to raise taxes for the schools. I told him I was well aware of it. I also said as soon as they stop confiscating my tax dollars to educate illegals, I might consider it. I expect the black suburbans to pull up in the driveway in the near future.

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:22 PM (NuO9F)

216 The left never argues in good faith.

Ayep. An individual who identifies with the Left might argue in good faith. On some topics he might even be right, or at least have a point.

But The Left is a tribe, and as such its members are enlistees in a jihad.

tl;dr - SJWs Always Lie.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2017 09:22 PM (6FqZa)

217
It took NO EFFORT at all to get 99% of the Republicans to go along with banning the Confederate flag.

It took no effort to get 95% of Republicans to join the movement to take down all Confederate memorials.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:23 PM (Wli2K)

218 207
What we want is to restrict or eliminate people's rights to buy, trade, advertise, display, conceal, bequeath, inherit, store, load, fire, clean, look at, talk about or sell guns.
Posted by: WaterCow at October 04, 2017 09:20 PM (zkGZ


Or, indeed, any property at all, comrade.

Posted by: Teh Marxists at October 04, 2017 09:23 PM (sdi6R)

219 and remember that it's that way by intent !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 09:23 PM (z3Hmr)

220
Tell you what, progressives. Feel free to enact measures in your monolithic urban bubbles that reduce the homicide rate to European levels, then we'll talk.

Oh, you already tried that in Chicago and it didn't work. We have nothing to talk about.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:24 PM (ddrA7)

221 Happy Bday Farmer and grammie winger

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 04, 2017 09:24 PM (EZebt)

222 But if you're going with a cable modem it definitely pays to buy your own.

Posted by: buzzion
==

You still have to let the ISP update your firmware. Which confounds and disgusts me.

But encryption is the best option.

One router for Netflix and Hulu Xbox FacebookGoogleZon bullshit if you must.

A router with an encrypted VPN for stuff that matters.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:25 PM (2wRtc)

223 Leading voices in Congress have reminded the American public that gun ownership is enshrined within the constitution, a document conceived by men who possessed impeccable moral standards and the very best African slaves.

The second amendment to the US constitution was ratified a century before slavery was abolished and gives the right for any American to form a "Well regulated militia if you are not a slave".

"We shouldn't forget that this is a civil rights issue," Senator Mitch McConnell said from behind bulletproof glass at a press conference this morning.

"When the Constitution was written all gun owners wanted the freedom to unite against tyranny of their oppressors, and also to shoot their slaves if they wanted."

Posted by: Its the constitution at October 04, 2017 09:26 PM (Q/14T)

224 It took no effort to get 95% of Republicans to join the movement to take down all Confederate memorials.

Party Of Lincoln Party Of Lincoln Party Of Lincoln Party Of Lincoln Party Of Lincoln

Posted by: the Republicans at every convention at October 04, 2017 09:26 PM (6FqZa)

225
I often wonder how much effort by the Fake News and alt-left or what event it would take for the Republicans to ban, oh, say, Christianity, or Profit, or Private Property, or bigoted-white words such as "lazy" and "welfare."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:27 PM (Wli2K)

226 220
Tell you what, progressives. Feel free to enact measures in your monolithic urban bubbles that reduce the homicide rate to European levels, then we'll talk.

Oh, you already tried that in Chicago and it didn't work. We have nothing to talk about.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:24 PM (ddrA7)


Actually, the homicide rate in America *would* be in line with Europe's, if not for a certain demographic that must not be mentioned.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

227 Mortimer, the problem I have with that scenario is that the Muzzies want you to know they are the murderers. What is the use of jihad when nobody knows it's jihad and thinks it's just a crazy old American? It doesn't follow the pattern of every other Islamic killing.

If anything is being kept under wraps, I'd think it's leftist/Antifa connections.

Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 09:27 PM (P8951)

228 It took NO EFFORT at all to get 99% of the Republicans to go along with banning the Confederate flag.



It took no effort to get 95% of Republicans to join the movement to take down all Confederate memorials.
===

It's cool bruv.

We're all just racist white Southern assholes. They're actually doing us trailer park cousin humpin hicks a favor.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:28 PM (2wRtc)

229 140 Attach bump stock ban to the 20 week abortion ban.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:04 PM (JyFLk)

I like the way you think. 2009Refugee for Speaker, you don't have to be a member of the House to be Speaker.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 09:28 PM (yJ1e6)

230 226. I'll name them - fucking Irish & filthy Scandi icebacks.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 09:29 PM (fA1SL)

231 So we are talking about 11,000 non-suicide deaths.

About 3,000,000 Americans die every year.

Posted by: MAGA at October 04, 2017 09:29 PM (LnOh3)

232
Actually, the homicide rate in America *would* be in line with Europe's, if not for a certain demographic that must not be mentioned.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:27 PM (sdi6R)


Oh yes. Reliable Democratic voters shooting other Democratic voters.

The solution to gun violence: take guns away from Democratic voters.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:29 PM (LrAXf)

233 We didn't send these fucks to congress to chip away at our rights.

But they're sad and this will make them happy!

Posted by: The GOPe at October 04, 2017 09:29 PM (7ulel)

234 Happy birthday Farmer!

Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 09:30 PM (P8951)

235 Mortimer @ 181- movie script?
Dude! That's exactly what I've been saying the past 3 days. Has to be it, or something damn near.

Posted by: Eromero at October 04, 2017 09:30 PM (zLDYs)

236 Yeah, I tried to argue, very gently, on FB about this with a knee-jerk liberal friend, and was accused of not caring about people dying, just because I mentioned gun deaths in Chicago, so...

Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at October 04, 2017 09:30 PM (t2v3w)

237
What is the use of jihad when nobody knows it's jihad

It's like when you build a doomsday device and don't tell anybody about it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2017 09:30 PM (IqV8l)

238 If anything is being kept under wraps, I'd think it's leftist/Antifa connections.

Posted by: Donna and V.
===


I am wide open to editorial improvement.

I am convinced that the entire US Government is SERIOUSLY scared right now.

Soros is funding an army to insure our nation stays divided and our military is obsessed with sex and Communism and can't fight a single front war.

The center can not hold.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:30 PM (2wRtc)

239 rickl, you're in SE PA too, right?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:31 PM (hMwEB)

240 found the cord-cutter thread, Sept 27

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:31 PM (hMwEB)

241
It didn't make doing to get most Republicans to buy into this "dreamer" bullshit.

All you have to do is apply slight pressure on Fake News.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:32 PM (Wli2K)

242 Why do Democrats only get serious about gun control when they are out of power?

The same reason that after 7 years of saying they wanted to repeal O'Care, Republicans couldn't get the job done when they were back in power.

Posted by: ALH at October 04, 2017 09:32 PM (da7Hf)

243 Many happy returns on your birthday, Farmer!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 09:32 PM (O848g)

244 My AT&T router came with a Wifi Wireless network, so I have 4 wireless connections. I also have the Gigabit, the fastest you can get, 70 dollars a month.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 09:32 PM (dKiJG)

245 Farmer and Grammie are lucky, in a way, to be born on
National Broderick Crawford Day.

10-4.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 04, 2017 09:32 PM (H5rtT)

246 239 rickl, you're in SE PA too, right?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:31 PM (hMwEB)


Yes, I have Comcast.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

247 Happy Bday Farmer!

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:33 PM (NuO9F)

248 The center can not hold.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:30 PM (2wRtc)


Bet I could do a riff on that!

Posted by: Zombie W B Yeats at October 04, 2017 09:33 PM (gwPgz)

249
Once in an idle hour I worked out from the FBI statistics that over 40% of homicides in Texas were committed in Houston, Dallas and San Antonio.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:33 PM (LrAXf)

250 "So which is it, progs? Do you want full-on confiscation or not?"

Of course they want this. The Left in this country is totalitarian in ideology, which is why they are so dirty and underhanded when it comes to elections and why they want millions of illegal aliens to become voters. They want power, and they fear regular Americans who they know don't want their awful policies. Guns are an equalizer in this; take away the average man's way of protecting himself, you make a nation of serfs.

Posted by: UGAdawg at October 04, 2017 09:34 PM (tRd71)

251
83 And the closer "we put a man on the moon, I think we can get everyone to turn in their guns."

Fact: the United States both protects your right to self-defense and is the only country to have put men on the moon.

The two are not unrelated.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 04, 2017 08:57 PM (fVubI)







I find it instructive to note that the first real firearms restrictions in modern British history was in 1903 (the Pistols Act), about the same time the British Empire began to fall apart.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2017 09:34 PM (eXA4G)

252 Widespread gun confiscation is simply a cover for genocide.

The left knows that confiscation will result in hundreds of thousands of deaths of (1) gun owners and (2) rural citizens and (3) some law enforcement. All of those are their most hated targets - so yeah, they want all of us dead and will think that a few hundred thousand is a good start.

The Left is Evil, Tyrannical, and Genocidal.
(The More You Know!)

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at October 04, 2017 09:35 PM (c1VpD)

253
Now 6-4. Getting a little interesting.

Better announcers than the Aaron-Jessica-Buster Axis of Blather.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:35 PM (LrAXf)

254 Grienke - OUT ! Holy moly

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:36 PM (lwiT4)

255 Rockies coming back 6-4. Just pulled Greinke.

Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 09:36 PM (P8951)

256 Suddenly, it's a 6 - 4 D'backs game.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:36 PM (Enq6K)

257
The same people who pretend a man is a woman and who say that a hat is 'genocide' demand we turn in our guns...to them.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:36 PM (Wli2K)

258 Damn. Looking at the data, it's almost as if the guns, by themselves, didn't go out and kill people. Like there was some other unknown factor involved.

Posted by: Lord Voldemort at October 04, 2017 09:37 PM (L6Zpd)

259 Better announcers than the Aaron-Jessica-Buster Axis of Blather.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:35 PM (LrAXf)
========================

I love Ernie Johnson. Great announcer voice. I believe he is also a Christian conservative.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:37 PM (lwiT4)

260 I see the potential for a new commercial.

FBI agent standing in front of press corp.

"What was the shooters motivation?" they scream.

"Was he radicalized?" they shout.

FBI agent smirks...

Cut away to What Happens in Vegas logo.....

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at October 04, 2017 09:37 PM (5a91s)

261 If Colorado scores two more runs, it'll be a tie ballgame!

Posted by: Softball Girl at October 04, 2017 09:38 PM (O5Q3r)

262 Farmer - you born today too? Happy Happy!

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:38 PM (lwiT4)

263 I don't have a birthday.

It was co-opted.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:39 PM (2wRtc)

264
And if Colorado scores three more runs, they'll be ahead!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:40 PM (LrAXf)

265 5 dollar wine is not as good as the 20 dollar stuff.

Why is that?

It's all just sour grapes...right?

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:40 PM (2wRtc)

266 Posted by: Inspector Cussword at October 04, 2017 09:35 PM (c1VpD)

It only took 600,000 plus deaths in 1860-1865 to completely and fundamentally alter the nature of the US government!
And without automatic weapons.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 04, 2017 09:40 PM (gwPgz)

267 The scam is to call for "common sense gun control", get the normies to nod in agreement and thus force the conversation to begin because our politicians have no convictions and can't appear uncaring, right? Then they can, rightly, reject most actual measures as ineffective until they think they have got our side to offer up as much as they think they can get this time. Then they agree while still loudly exclaiming it 'isn't enough' and children will die. Wait for another mass shooting, proclaim "I told you so!", repeat.

And it almost worked once, remember when concealed carry was unheard of, owning handguns was illegal in vast portions of the country, etc? It was only the dedication and cunning of the NRA that rolled it back last time.

Posted by: John Morris at October 04, 2017 09:41 PM (sCRhB)

268 It's clear that what's really needed is common sense spoon legislation. I mean, who really needs a tablespoon?
The only point of one is to shove as much food as a mouth can handle in at one time, to make a person fat.
Nobody needs that capacity.

Tea spoons are all a civilized people need. Soup spoons will be allowed for those who pass the proper physical and emotional exams.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 04, 2017 09:41 PM (z79tQ)

269 "Which is what all us toothless, meth-cookin', sister-drivin', truck-humpin', inbred gun-clinging redneck unpeople from Jesusland flyover country have been saying all along"

I don't do no truck-humpin.'

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 04, 2017 09:42 PM (398bZ)

270 What's really needed is common sense.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2017 09:42 PM (IqV8l)

271
I like the way you think. 2009Refugee for Speaker, you don't have to be a member of the House to be Speaker.
Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor

I can already see the headlines:

"minor contributor to Smart Military blog makes good"
""Thank goodness it wasn't one of the nasty pieces of work over there, like that Insomniac guy, or those Alex brothers," says Pelosi"

Disclaimer - i hold those named in fake quote in the highest regard.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 09:43 PM (JyFLk)

272 I won't be up for the ONT but just to give you a small idea of how my day went? I dropped the companies bank deposit into the mailbox with all the mail. FML.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:43 PM (CNHr1)

273 36 The 2nd amendment was written so that citizens could protect the Government not so citizens could protect themselves from a tyrannical government, according to a Blue Checkmark on Twitter.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 08:46 PM (dKiJG)


That would be Matthew J. Dowd, of the empty manger "first Christmas if no immigrants" picture last year. Complete douche who loves it when his idiot followers kiss his ass.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 04, 2017 09:43 PM (Bl5Zt)

274
Ohio Restaurant Owner who refused to show NFL games: Sales up between 200 and 300 percent.









hahahahahahahahha

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:44 PM (NuO9F)

275 I posted this on the previous thread. It was an odd moment in the Vegas sheriff's presser....

A reporter asks a question about something that happened in Paddock's life in Oct. 2016. Sheriff said "We're looking into that....we're aware of it."

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:44 PM (Enq6K)

276 I won't be up for the ONT but just to give you a
small idea of how my day went? I dropped the companies bank deposit
into the mailbox with all the mail. FML.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:43 PM (CNHr1)
===========================

Oh no. Oh.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:45 PM (lwiT4)

277 The author is a sell-out -- Lefties

Posted by: socalcon at October 04, 2017 09:45 PM (WAnre)

278 Another large swath of gun deaths are to young males involved in street crime.

++++

And much of that is related to the drug trade. Dealers beefing over territory. With weapons bought with drug profits. End prohibition and a big chunk of the street deaths disappear.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 09:45 PM (pvjTE)

279 272 I won't be up for the ONT but just to give you a small idea of how my day went? I dropped the companies bank deposit into the mailbox with all the mail. FML.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:43 PM (CNHr1)


Oh no Jewells! Now what do you do?!

BTW...how's your brother doing?

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 09:46 PM (Enq6K)

280 So what did you do, Jewell, to get it back?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:46 PM (hMwEB)

281 272 I won't be up for the ONT but just to give you a small idea of how my day went? I dropped the companies bank deposit into the mailbox with all the mail. FML.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:43 PM (CNHr



I got a big tip from someone today!

Posted by: Mailman at October 04, 2017 09:47 PM (z/Ubi)

282
I won't be up for the ONT

Updating your resume, Jewells?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:47 PM (LrAXf)

283 Really want to blow your mind, sugartits, cross reference Gun Density with Murder Rates.

Blow your mind, it will.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:47 PM (UyKzE)

284 Ohio Restaurant Owner who refused to show NFL games: Sales up between 200 and 300 percent

Unrealistic sampling.

Have you seen the Browns play? It could be argued that they would ruin anyone's appetite before the kneeling started.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at October 04, 2017 09:47 PM (5a91s)

285 258
Damn. Looking at the data, it's almost as if the guns, by themselves,
didn't go out and kill people. Like there was some other unknown factor
involved.

Posted by: Lord Voldemort at October 04, 2017 09:37 PM (L6Zpd)
===
The unknown factor (per Progs) will be guns plus people. In other words, the Progs will want us to believe:eople without guns equals world-wide peace, love, and understanding.People plus guns equals billions of senseless deaths each year.So, per the Progs, either people or guns will have to go. And in the minds of the Progs who think they will always be on the top of the hill, the or can be changed to and.

Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2017 09:48 PM (AMIL/)

286 America's Garbage Pile newspaper, the Washington Post, only lets you view a few of their dreck stories every month. Which is fine, because there are so few worth reading.

With most of the sites that try to pull this shit all you have to do is delete their cookies and the count starts all over. Most of them are too lazy to try to keep track on their servers so it's all cookie-based.

I can't say if this is true for the WaPo but it is for most of the other sites that try and limit your reading.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:48 PM (8gDQu)

287 Jewell, I did that with a fedex supreme court appeal going to another state. Fk. I stood out by the mail boxes in the snow until USPS showed up and begged. It worked. I then had to drive the fedex to the airport. Boy was I glad to get home that night.

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:48 PM (NuO9F)

288 Farmer - you born today too? Happy Happy!
Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:38

Congrats to you grammie! I think we're about the same age from what you've said. I'd missed that fact or forgot about it w/ my middle aged memory.

But if you can recall a few yrs back I think it was me that suggested you change your nic from momma winger to grammie winger.

At least that's how I remember it, maybe I was just involved in the convo. Luv ya, be well as we enter our dotage.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 09:48 PM (yJ1e6)

289 Oh Happy Birthday Grammie & Farmer!!!!

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:49 PM (hMwEB)

290 A little late to the party, but the "read x articles this month" token is usually in a browser cookie. Using "private browsing" or "incognito window" in your browser will disable them for that session, allowing to indulge your secret shame of reading as many terrible articles as you want.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 04, 2017 09:49 PM (y87Qq)

291 And if anyone thinks the Progressives and the rest of the Liberals would stop at anything short of full forfeiture of ALL gun rights, you are fooling yourselves.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:49 PM (UyKzE)

292 They're warming up to full on confiscation. Remember Felonia von Pantsuit talking about Australia's policies as being something to emulate? In public as part of her campaign, no less.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (z2W2E)

293

The Left never stops.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (Wli2K)

294 *Damn. Looking at the data, it's almost as if the guns, by themselves, didn't go out and kill people. Like there was some other unknown factor involved.
Posted by: Lord Voldemort at October 04, 2017 09:37 PM (L6Zpd)*

That would be the thing that goes up.

Posted by: tbodie at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (mndtc)

295 I'm not emotionally connected to 2nd Amendment issues, although I absolutely DO support members of the conservative activist coalition who ARE. That's what coalition is.

That said, bump stocks & suppressors is not only NOT the hill I choose to die on, they're not even the molehill I choose to defend. They seem more like golf divots.

To hell with THAT. Slippery slope yadda, you can't fight everywhere.

(I denounce myself resolutely in advance.)

Posted by: mnw at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (OXkR9)

296 Is the Bill of Rights considered civil rights? If the professed concerns of BLM is a real concern of the citizens, does anyone think that inhabitants of South Central LA or Ferguson would agree to abrogation of their 2nd Amendment rights?

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (xFZUI)

297 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:48 PM (8gDQu)

Whoa.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (y87Qq)

298
Leftist ideology is a cancer that keeps eating away until everything is gone.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (Wli2K)

299
Really want to blow your mind, sugartits, cross reference Gun Density with Murder Rates.

Blow your mind, it will.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:47 PM (UyKzE)


Once a flaming prog musician (the epitome of cocksure obtuseness) was railing about those poor, welfare-sucking Southerners. Go get a demographic map, I suggested, adding why were they such racists.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (LrAXf)

300 Greinke is one of those great regular season pitchers that just can't find a way to have the same success in the post-season. Greg Maddux is another one.

Posted by: cm9000 at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (orocj)

301 you are getting very sleepy...




Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (2wRtc)

302 America's Garbage Pile newspaper, the Washington Post, only lets you view a few of their dreck stories every month.

++++

Is that still true? I haven't been hit by their paywall in a very long time. I read the Volokh Conspiracy blog daily, but otherwise I just go there when someone links something. But still, I used to get blocked frequently and would have to use the trick of a private tab to get around it. But, no more.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 09:51 PM (pvjTE)

303 When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an "assault weapon."

Spitting is assault ... so a mouth is an assault weapon.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:51 PM (8gDQu)

304 But if you can recall a few yrs back I think it was me that suggested you change your nic from momma winger to grammie winger.



At least that's how I remember it, maybe I was just involved in the convo. Luv ya, be well as we enter our dotage.



Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 09:48 PM (yJ1e6)
====================

I think you're right! But what do I know, Im' senile. LOL Happy Birthday!

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:51 PM (lwiT4)

305 >>That would be the thing that goes up.


Proving, as always, that White Male Privilege is the true villain!

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:51 PM (UyKzE)

306 Sleeping in your car next to the mailbox, Jewell?

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 04, 2017 09:51 PM (z2W2E)

307
The 2nd amendment was written so that citizens could protect the
Government not so citizens could protect themselves from a tyrannical
government, according to a Blue Checkmark on Twitter.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 08:46 PM (dKiJG)

Thomas Jefferson would disagree vehemently with Blue Checkmark. Something, something Tree of Liberty... something, something blood.

Posted by: redbanzai at October 04, 2017 09:52 PM (FTXAT)

308 I love Ernie Johnson. Great announcer voice. I believe he is also a Christian conservative.


Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:37 PM (lwiT4)

I can tolerate these announcers.
I just don't like them filling 'dead air' with BS statistics, just because they are afraid of dead air. Dead air in baseball is fine.

Being a Cubs fan, who should I root for?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, still loving the Cubs an hoping for Cubs-Indians 2.0 at October 04, 2017 09:52 PM (8iiMU)

309 I have a possible solution to future gun control (cough confiscation cough) laws. Pass a law, party line vote is fine, that any new gun limiting law has to be enforced by the congress critters who voted for it. Not the cops, not the IRS, not the military. The anti-constitutional clowns who voted for it have to go door to door demanding that any guns be given to them at once. Oh, and the 'enforcers' have to rely on Obamacare. The entertainment value would be off the scale. For extra fun, include the MFM and their 'experts' as part of the enforcement.

If that happened I would go long on popcorn futures and butter.

Posted by: JTB at October 04, 2017 09:52 PM (V+03K)

310 What progressives mean when they talk about "common sense gun safety laws" is simple widespread gun confiscation.

Late to the party but that sums it up tidily.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 04, 2017 09:52 PM (Tyii7)

311 "If anything is being kept under wraps, I'd think it's leftist/Antifa connections.
Posted by: Donna and V. at October 04, 2017 09:27 PM (P8951)"


This.

What other reason would there be to keep it so quiet ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 09:53 PM (z3Hmr)

312 Do not know if someone posted already, via Instapundit, a really interesting theory on the Vegas shooter by John Ringo:

http://tinyurl.com/y9qv75s5

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 09:53 PM (rb1zT)

313 Farmer and Grammie are lucky, in a way, to be born on National Broderick Crawford Day.
10-4.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 04, 2017 09:32

Whatsup w/ Broderick Crawford today, his bday? I know now that
Janis Joplin died today, thanks to my wife, and Kimberley Guifoile's kid Ronan (what kind of name is that?) was born on my 50th.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 09:53 PM (yJ1e6)

314 The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

Actually, most gun crimes involve a pretty specific demographic ... and they usually aren't wielding legal guns, to begin with.

But, just as they have done with Child "Protective" Services and schools taking over the kids' lives, and all sorts of other problems, the real issue almost always lies with a specific demographic but they try to take the freedoms away from everyone so that they don't have to point that out.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:54 PM (8gDQu)

315 303 When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an "assault weapon."

Spitting is assault ... so a mouth is an assault weapon.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:51 PM (8gDQu)


A brick is an assault weapon if I throw it at your head.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:54 PM (sdi6R)

316
Gun deaths: 33K per year. Factor out suicides. That's 2/3 of them right there, so that's about 11K.

The brunt of those are handguns. Oh, look up the FBI homicide data. Rifles, shotguns, and "other guns" total less than 100 homicides per year.

I remember, as a kid, that handguns were the target of the gun banners back then. They were being logical. They were, and still are, the most oft used firearm by far.

This was before the left went into batshit territory.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at October 04, 2017 09:54 PM (8O3HH)

317 Being a Cubs fan, who should I root for?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, still loving the Cubs an hoping for Cubs-Indians 2.0 at October 04, 2017 09:52 PM (8iiMU)



The Cubs. As long as they win it doesn't matter who they play

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 09:54 PM (auHtY)

318 >>A brick is an assault weapon if I throw it at your head


Even scarier if you paint it black.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:55 PM (UyKzE)

319 Thankfully, even though we are a town of 90,000 plus it's still a small town in many ways. I went inside and told them my predicament and the guy inside went out with the keys, opened it up and there it was..all checks still tucked inside the deposit note. Whew!! Still.. had to drive back to bank (didn't notice til I was there that I didn't have the deposit) in the pouring rain, through construction no less. Fucked up afternoon. I seem to be so absent minded lately...

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:55 PM (CNHr1)

320 So how long before she has is forced to recant? If she is a progressive in good standing and wants to stay on the social calendar it better be by tomorrow morning,

Posted by: Ripley at October 04, 2017 09:55 PM (NbRJx)

321 "A Theory on Vegas" h/t insty.

http://tinyurl.com/y9qv75s5

Posted by: geoffb at October 04, 2017 09:55 PM (zOpu5)

322 and Kimberley Guifoile's kid Ronan (what kind of name is that?) was born on my 50th.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 09:53 PM (yJ1e6)




It's Irish. Guilfoyle is half Irish

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 09:55 PM (auHtY)

323 Damn. Looking at the data, it's almost as if the guns, by themselves, didn't go out and kill people. Like there was some other unknown factor involved.

===

Like the global warming thing...

It'd have to be something that could manipulate the firearms, though. And exhibiting cunning, if not intelligence, because otherwise people would be able to avoid the guns.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 04, 2017 09:55 PM (z2W2E)

324 Ronan (what kind of name is that?)

Kinda sounds like what you'd name a horse.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 04, 2017 09:55 PM (Tyii7)

325 Whoa.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 04, 2017 09:50 PM (y87Qq)


Your telepathic connection is a little slower than mine

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:56 PM (8gDQu)

326 >>I remember, as a kid, that handguns were the target of the gun banners back then. They were being logical. They were, and still are, the most oft used firearm by far.


Saturday Night Specials were all the rage before Cop Killer Bullets.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:56 PM (UyKzE)

327
I dig Irish. I'm into 'em.

Posted by: Tony "The Mooch" Scaramucci at October 04, 2017 09:56 PM (8O3HH)

328 I know now that
Janis Joplin died today, thanks to my wife
=============================


ahh ya that too

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 09:57 PM (lwiT4)

329 Posted by: Assault weapon pussies at October 04, 2017 08:53 PM (Q/14T)

Posted by: Assault weapon pussies at October 04, 2017 09:12 PM (Q/14T)

Posted by: Its the constitution at October 04, 2017 09:26 PM (Q/14T)


At first I thought you were a spot-on parody, but nah, you're just a shithead.

You might as well take your historically illiterate and lousy pop-psychology bullshit down the road.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 04, 2017 09:57 PM (Bl5Zt)

330
I left out a zero. Long + "other" guns total less than 1000. It's about 300ish for rifles, 300ish with shotguns.

Posted by: Tony at October 04, 2017 09:58 PM (8O3HH)

331 Jewells, I thank the Lord for that one. Good on ya. How is your brother?

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 09:58 PM (NuO9F)

332 >>I seem to be so absent minded lately...


The Paolo. I believe he can help with this.

He can jog your memory, and other things too.

Posted by: Paolo at October 04, 2017 09:58 PM (UyKzE)

333 A brick is an assault weapon if I throw it at your head.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 09:54 PM (sdi6R)


Sure, but leftists would rather be able to ban mouths.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:58 PM (8gDQu)

334 Tami... they are going to counseling. Now planning a trip to San Diego. I give up. He's digging his own grave. I just can't deal with it. She unfriended me on FB, then Sunday calls me like nothing had happened and wanted to know if I wanted to set up a booth at a dance shop when then are having some kind of sale. I'm like.. sure okay.. whatev. Not holding my breath on anything with those two. It's really bizarre at this point.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:58 PM (CNHr1)

335 I know now that
Janis Joplin died today, thanks to my wife
-----------

Your wife killed Janis?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 09:59 PM (leCj4)

336 >>Your wife killed Janis?


She just wanted a little piece of her heart.

Turns out you need the whole thing.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:59 PM (UyKzE)

337 Your telepathic connection is a little slower than mine
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 09:56 PM (8gDQu)


Nah, I got the mind-zap, I was just typing with a snack.

Like, holding it in one hand and typing with the other, not typing with it like I was tapping out keys with the corner of a cracker or something.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 04, 2017 10:01 PM (y87Qq)

338 If Colorado scores two more runs, it'll be a tie ballgame!

Posted by: Softball Girl at October 04, 2017 09:38 PM (O5Q3r)



It's this kind of in depth analysis of the game that ESPN has her there for

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 10:01 PM (auHtY)

339 334 Tami... they are going to counseling. Now planning a trip to San Diego. I give up. He's digging his own grave. I just can't deal with it. She unfriended me on FB, then Sunday calls me like nothing had happened and wanted to know if I wanted to set up a booth at a dance shop when then are having some kind of sale. I'm like.. sure okay.. whatev. Not holding my breath on anything with those two. It's really bizarre at this point.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:58 PM (CNHr1)

Counseling....that's a fucking joke.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 10:01 PM (NWiLs)

340 336 >>Your wife killed Janis?


She just wanted a little piece of her heart.

Turns out you need the whole thing.
Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 09:59 PM (UyKzE)

That was good enough for me and Bobby McGee.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 10:02 PM (NWiLs)

341 Let's Go Blues!

Posted by: mnw at October 04, 2017 10:02 PM (OXkR9)

342

See? You're a pro-slavery racist if you believe in the Second Amendment!

NEVER argue with a leftist totalitarian. They'll have you defending your HUMANITY before you can blink.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 10:02 PM (Wli2K)

343 Insomniac.. yeah, I mean sometimes it helps but not very often and after her behavior?? and the stuff he said to me about her?? Jesus.. I just don't know what to think anymore. Like I said.. I'm done.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 10:03 PM (CNHr1)

344 g'night, Horde.

seeya inna mornin'

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 04, 2017 10:04 PM (z3Hmr)

345 343 Insomniac.. yeah, I mean sometimes it helps but not very often and after her behavior?? and the stuff he said to me about her?? Jesus.. I just don't know what to think anymore. Like I said.. I'm done.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 10:03 PM (CNHr1)

Are kids involved?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 10:04 PM (rb1zT)

346 Most "gun homicides" are committed by about 2 percent of the population. That being African-American men aged between 18-35. Let's have an honest National dialogue about gun violence.

Posted by: cm9000 at October 04, 2017 10:04 PM (orocj)

347 Even scarier if you paint it black.
Posted by: garrett


The Stones were always scarier than the Beatles!

PR, I think ...

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at October 04, 2017 10:04 PM (AoK0a)

348 343 Insomniac.. yeah, I mean sometimes it helps but not very often and after her behavior?? and the stuff he said to me about her?? Jesus.. I just don't know what to think anymore. Like I said.. I'm done.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 10:03 PM (CNHr1)

I can't blame you. You did what you could but if he's bound and determined to cut his own throat there's not really anything else you can do.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 10:05 PM (NWiLs)

349 Oh Happy Birthday Grammie & Farmer!!!!
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:49

TY to you and all others for the well wishes.

I think I was willowed on a thread a few days ago. I read your nic as...votermom pimping great boobs. Maybe I've been reading AoS too long?

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 10:05 PM (yJ1e6)

350 The Stones were always scarier than the Beatles!

PR, I think ...

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at October 04, 2017 10:04 PM (AoK0a)



Keith Richards: Why would you think that?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 10:05 PM (auHtY)

351 312 Do not know if someone posted already, via Instapundit, a really interesting theory on the Vegas shooter by John Ringo:

http://tinyurl.com/y9qv75s5

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 09:53 PM (rb1zT)


That was very interesting...and I'm sure very hard for him to share.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:06 PM (Enq6K)

352 Do not know if someone posted already, via Instapundit, a really interesting theory on the Vegas shooter by John Ringo:

http://tinyurl.com/y9qv75s5
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2017 09:53 PM (rb1zT)

Thanks for the link.

Posted by: tbodie at October 04, 2017 10:07 PM (mndtc)

353 thank you geoffb. It's a good link and important.

Although it still doesn't rule out lone-wolf radicalisation. This article's author's fiancee had convinced herself that writing a Death Note full of targets was righteous. In her case it was sex-offenders.

Here, the target was country-music fans in Vegas. Why country-music fans in Vegas?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2017 10:07 PM (6FqZa)

354 Am I banned? Half the time i try to post from iPhone or ipad I know I cannot post from Mac & stopped back in May 2014 when blog broke.

Posted by: Carol at October 04, 2017 10:07 PM (NKOy9)

355 349 Oh Happy Birthday Grammie & Farmer!!!!
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 09:49

TY to you and all others for the well wishes.

I think I was willowed on a thread a few days ago. I read your nic as...votermom pimping great boobs. Maybe I've been reading AoS too long?
Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 10:05 PM (yJ1e6)

I don't B( . )( . )BS think such a B( . )( . )BS thing is even remotely B( . )( . )BS possible.

Posted by: Insomniac - Mad as Hell but Still Taking It at October 04, 2017 10:07 PM (NWiLs)

356 321 - If by "theory," Ringo means almost fact-free speculation, then sure, it's a theory. I mean why not base a theory on the anecdotal experience of his wife combined with a shaky regulatory understanding of how/why drugs are labeled as they are and no apparent understanding of the scientific evidence. It's not any kookier than most of the other "theories" being bandied about.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at October 04, 2017 10:08 PM (H5knJ)

357 334 Tami... they are going to counseling. Now planning a trip to San Diego. I give up. He's digging his own grave. I just can't deal with it. She unfriended me on FB, then Sunday calls me like nothing had happened and wanted to know if I wanted to set up a booth at a dance shop when then are having some kind of sale. I'm like.. sure okay.. whatev. Not holding my breath on anything with those two. It's really bizarre at this point.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 09:58 PM (CNHr1)

Good grief! Planning a trip?! Money problems, marital problems...sure take a trip...that'll fix it.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:08 PM (Enq6K)

358 Kids involved are his from his first marriage and hers from her first. Her oldest son threatened to kick my brothers ass. LOL.. he's a wanna be gangsta.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 10:08 PM (CNHr1)

359 Counseling....that's a fucking joke.

+1000

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at October 04, 2017 10:09 PM (CL76w)

360 Tami.. IKR?? Jesus..

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 04, 2017 10:09 PM (CNHr1)

361 Good grief! Planning a trip?! Money problems, marital problems...sure take a trip...that'll fix it.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:08 PM (Enq6K)
==========================

Having a baby works good too!

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 10:10 PM (lwiT4)

362 I receive Big Red Error 500. I am not sure if I erased it or not?

Posted by: Carol at October 04, 2017 10:10 PM (NKOy9)

363 347
The Stones were always scarier than the Beatles!

PR, I think ...
Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at October 04, 2017 10:04 PM (AoK0a)


The funny thing is that the Beatles came from a working class background and adopted a mainstream image, while the Stones came from a middle class background and adopted a badass image.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 10:10 PM (sdi6R)

364 Carol - I can see your posts. As for the error notice, are you trying to cut and paste something into the blog?

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 10:11 PM (lwiT4)

365 Having a baby works good too!

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 10:10 PM (lwiT4)


Oh yeah...have several in-laws that have tried that. It does work good on upping child support.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:11 PM (Enq6K)

366 Deplorable Jewell

I am late to your exchange with Insomniac, & I don't fully understand the exact nature of the trouble.

I just want you to know, if it's a painful divorce, what u are going through isn't unique. Absentmindedness is the least of it! I had 4 minor auto accidents in about 9 days.

Hang in there. As MayreenMcGovern sang, "Ther's got to be a morning after. We're getting closer to the shore." I tell myself that. Hope it's true.

Posted by: mnw at October 04, 2017 10:12 PM (OXkR9)

367 It's not any kookier than most of the other "theories" being bandied about.
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk
---------------

Hold it...are you denigrating my 'Driven to it by IRS regulations' theory?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 10:12 PM (leCj4)

368 I know now that
Janis Joplin died today, thanks to my wife
-----------
Your wife killed Janis?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 09:59

Nope, Jules is not heroin, tho I can't get over her.

Maybe I need to work on phrasing?

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at October 04, 2017 10:13 PM (yJ1e6)

369 @356 If by "theory," Ringo means almost fact-free speculation, then sure, it's a theory
-------------------

If you carefully read the bit where he leads into the discussion about psychotic breaks, he's demonstrating that a particular statement is highly erroneous. That statement is -

'Homicidal psychotic break means he couldn't have done the planning!'


And then he gives an example of someone having a psychotic break who did engage in meticulous planning.

Posted by: junior at October 04, 2017 10:13 PM (gJaVc)

370 The moose didn't tell us...ONT.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:13 PM (Enq6K)

371 The push for bans and confiscation are meaningless masturbatory measures for people who don't realize that firearms have been manufactured for centuries, and there are millions of people who could and will manufacture firearms in their garages and basements.

There's no special black magic here that will curtail supply and demand.

Posted by: Fritz at October 04, 2017 10:15 PM (3ubcI)

372 'Homicidal psychotic break means he couldn't have done the planning!'

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There can be lots of planning. It's just not usually very logical or reality-based. The plans may be intricate but not effective.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 10:16 PM (lwiT4)

373 I'm going with the theory that the C&W concert was just a target of convenience, as opposed to a motivational factor. Guy just wanted a crowd.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 10:16 PM (leCj4)

374 'Homicidal psychotic break means he couldn't have done the planning!'


And then he gives an example of someone having a psychotic break who did engage in meticulous planning.

Posted by: junior at October 04, 2017 10:13 PM (gJaVc)


He's disproving all those statements in ' '. That last one he disproves with his real life experience.

I do wonder how he knows anything about Paddock's 'electronic trail'. No, he wasn't on social media but that tells us nothing about what was on his home computer(s).

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:17 PM (Enq6K)

375 The ancient Irish thought they'd poison the Viking raiders with rotten fish, but the invaders liked it. Thus the birth of lutefisk.
Posted by: Zombie Stan Boreson at October 04, 2017 08:58 PM (fSf/G)

Ok. I snorted beer out of my nose. That was funny.

Posted by: Traveling Man at October 04, 2017 10:17 PM (MpwJl)

376 Hi Grammie Winger,
No, I thanked Ace for WaPo story, wrote I air dropped to iPad because I was using iPhone, and my door bell was ringing.

Posted by: Carol at October 04, 2017 10:19 PM (NKOy9)

377 I tend to side with making bump stocks illegal. Obviously they can be useful when firing into a massed target where aim isn't as important. But I do agree that the trade should be suppressors.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at October 04, 2017 10:19 PM (J70i0)

378 I do wonder how he knows anything about Paddock's 'electronic trail'. No, he wasn't on social media but that tells us nothing about what was on his home computer(s).
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:17 PM (Enq6K)

I think he simply means no Facebook or Twitter. Obviously they may find something on the computer. I thought his reasoning was pretty sound. The thing is, denying the guy guns isn't going to stop him. He would simply blow something up.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at October 04, 2017 10:22 PM (J70i0)

379 I think he simply means no Facebook or Twitter. Obviously they may find something on the computer. I thought his reasoning was pretty sound. The thing is, denying the guy guns isn't going to stop him. He would simply blow something up.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at October 04, 2017 10:22 PM (J70i0)


I agree with all that but he says:

"Nothing in his electronic trail indicates the slightest political affiliation or interest. Nothing.
There weren't even angry emails. He never posted comments. Rarely read political news. Nada."


Don't know how he would know this about the guy....unless I missed some official stating it, which is possible.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 10:25 PM (Enq6K)

380 Whatsup w/ Broderick Crawford today?
--Farmer

10/4.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 04, 2017 10:26 PM (H5rtT)

381 @374 I do wonder how he knows anything about Paddock's 'electronic trail'. No, he wasn't on social media but that tells us nothing about what was on his home computer(s).
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Ringo's well-known enough (and openly conservative/libertarian enough) to probably have at least a few contacts among law enforcement people who are familiar with the course of the investigation into Paddock.

Posted by: junior at October 04, 2017 10:26 PM (gJaVc)

382
I was just reading. Demand for those bump fire stocks had surged, and prices have doubled. When they ban them (which they will), I wonder if they'll try to make it illegal to possess the existing ones.

Oh, for those who've never seen one, here's a hottie demonstrating one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7DTjSla-O8

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at October 04, 2017 10:30 PM (8O3HH)

383 382
Oh, for those who've never seen one, here's a hottie demonstrating one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7DTjSla-O8
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at October 04, 2017 10:30 PM (8O3HH)


I've never tried bump fire, but that actually looks like fun.

She looks like fun, too.

Posted by: rickl at October 04, 2017 10:40 PM (sdi6R)

384 FYI - here in Australia there are plenty of guns. Not one per person like the US estimates are, but still plenty. And that's just the registered guns. There was an amnesty recently to hand in unregistered firearms that punters might have "forgotten" to register.

30,000 guns got handed in.

Suicide by gun dropped dramatically here since 96 and as someone who had a mate check out via shotgun, that's something meaningful to me personally. Still blows to be treated like a criminal just because I like the range and eradicating feral pests though.

The point is that there is a tonne of weapons that never got registered in the first place and somehow those dastardly criminals always seem to have them when they do nefarious things. Even though they all have criminal records. Go figure.

Sorry for the novel.

Sorry for your loss in Vegas recently

Posted by: Hotdog at October 04, 2017 10:54 PM (tYDoq)

385
I have a possible solution to future gun control (cough confiscation
cough) laws. Pass a law, party line vote is fine, that any new gun
limiting law has to be enforced by the congress critters who voted for
it. Not the cops, not the IRS, not the military. The anti-constitutional
clowns who voted for it have to go door to door demanding that any guns
be given to them at once. Oh, and the 'enforcers' have to rely on
Obamacare. The entertainment value would be off the scale. For extra
fun, include the MFM and their 'experts' as part of the enforcement.



It could be called the Bell the Cat law.


Posted by: Clearly at October 04, 2017 11:00 PM (gNQDb)

386 The Las Vegas Country Music Festival Murderama was sad; but, from a stem perspective what is sadder is that, (not even counting abortions,) the Sin Sity Shenanigans accounted for less than ONE PERCENT of the people who died in the U.S.A. last Sunday.

Posted by: Marooned at October 04, 2017 11:04 PM (8hRlF)

387 JEF? I can't figure it out, I've been following Ace for a year. Junior Exec Fool, Just Enhanced Figure, ?

Posted by: Roy Smith at October 04, 2017 11:04 PM (Qh9s3)

388 Jug Eared Fvck

Posted by: Marooned at October 04, 2017 11:06 PM (8hRlF)

389 >>>Public gun ranges in every county run by the CMP on land generously donated by the state.

A man can dream.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2017 08:49 PM (nUkMr)

Ooh! Ooh! We can use the empty NFL stadiums!

Posted by: m at October 05, 2017 03:39 AM (7n0Ay)

390 Odd...the group that believes we can round 300 million guns thinks it's impossible to collect 12 million illegals.

Posted by: John Phillips at October 05, 2017 06:42 AM (yiGFc)

391 "Another large swath of gun deaths are to young males involved in street crime."

Just say it: blacks.

Posted by: Ben (the original) at October 06, 2017 12:08 AM (DcG8N)

392 An armed populace occasionally has massacres. An unarmed populace occasionally has genocide.

Posted by: Scooby D. Labbe at October 07, 2017 08:18 PM (P1M5o)

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