MSNBC Reporter Childishly Mocks Shooters Who Use Suppressors to Protect Their Hearing

This is where we are now, with reporters doing mocking neener-neeners as part of "interviews."

MSNBC’s @SRuhle Mocks Hunters Who Use Silencers for Hearing Protection https://t.co/klM222ds5u pic.twitter.com/o5qVPPPN7n
— Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) October 4, 2017

Video of her childishness unprofessionalism here.

MSNBC host Stephanie Ruhle on Wednesday mocked hunters who use firearm silencers to prevent hearing damage, putting her hands over her ears and poking fun at Republican gun legislation loosening silencer regulations.
USA Today reporter Heidi Przybyla told Ruhle that her reporting says President Donald Trump will visit Las Vegas on Wednesday to offer sympathy after Sunday night's massacre but not "offer any kind of hope" that gun violence would be addressed through policy solutions.
"Think about what was happening right before this massacre took place. We have a Congress here in Washington, D.C., that was moving in the exact opposite direction," Przybyla said. "They were preparing to loosen gun regulations, to allow people to use these silencers, to make them more available."
"Because the hunters, their ears were hurting," Ruhle said mockingly, putting her hands over her ears. "Because those hunters, their ears were hurting."

Posted by: Ace at 12:38 PM

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1 MSNBC and Idiocy? Hand in Hand.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 12:39 PM (CMbMd)

2 Honestly. media is going batshit in front of our eyes.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 04, 2017 12:40 PM (hMwEB)

3 2n2!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2017 12:40 PM (1ISKN)

4 Except for when used with Derringers, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 12:40 PM (W+vEI)

5 well I guess we could always go back to putting cigarette butts in our ears like I used to do when I forgot my hearing protection.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (mpXpK)

6 We were better off using IQ tests for employment fitness.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (AM1GF)

7 You know what makes your ears hurt?

Tampon Earrings

Posted by: Rick in SK at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (FZYNt)

8 Someone should tell her, "Think of the deer's ears!!!!!"

Gah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (PY9jH)

9 While supporting OSHA requiring baselines and annual hearing tests for all workers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (UUvSq)

10 Bitch... MY BIL is nearly deaf from years of hunting.... Older man , before we knew better...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (O2RFr)

11 She has a mouth, and she's not afraid to use it.

Posted by: Caliban at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (DrC22)

12 That horrible person makes MY ears hurt.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (tVWQB)

13 It's like MSDNC talks directly from DNC talking points all the time.

They could at least differ on a few things to make it seem like they are trying.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:42 PM (mpXpK)

14 We're always mocking them for knowing nothing about guns.

I read a smart guns blog and I didn't know about the bump fire stocks.

I'm blaming you people.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 04, 2017 12:42 PM (gIRsn)

15 AF1 has landed in Vegas.

And that bitch up there be stoooopid.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 12:42 PM (Enq6K)

16 Someone ask this bitch, and every single bitch, male or female who works in the "newz," to give up the armed security who guard their workplaces.

Wait and film the reactions.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 12:42 PM (PY9jH)

17 BTW, (R)s-

See what they're doing? EVERY hill is the hill to die on. This shooting had nothing whatsoever to do with suppressors, and they're going to defeat the legislation because of it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:42 PM (UUvSq)

18 USA Today reporter Heidi Przybyla told Ruhle that her reporting says President Donald Trump will visit Las Vegas on Wednesday to offer sympathy after Sunday night's massacre but not "offer any kind of hope" that gun violence would be addressed through ~~policy solutions~~ changing our government-reliant culture to one emphasizing individual responsibility, so that citizens are better prepared to defend themselves from evil people.
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Fixed, for accuracy.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (ylUqT)

19 'Cover your ears and open your mouth.' - That was the very last part of her job interview, no doubt.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (UyKzE)

20 I read a smart guns blog and I didn't know about the bump fire stocks.

I'm blaming you people.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Sorry, too busy arguing art vs. porn

Posted by: Rick in SK at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (FZYNt)

21 Someone should tell her, "Think of the deer's ears!!!!!"
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And bunnies!

And squirrels!

And birds!

And racoons!

You know, I'm beginning to think that the MSM hiring the mentally ill was not necessarily the best business plan.

What do you think NFL?

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (aT+Bx)

22 Same reporter would vilify anyone mocking the service animal snowflakes...

Posted by: Sven10077 at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (CJRaf)

23 if just she had been beside the killer in vegas as he burned off all those rounds. Her hearing would be gone. along with witnessing the horror, she might just get a more level attitude towards fellow humans.

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (8RQER)

24 So...are gun owners scary domestic terrorists or scared lil' bunnies who need ear protection? Pick a narrative, guys.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (W+vEI)

25 Waiting for the MSM to shut up about the Vegas shooting when we learn that this guy was a radicalized liberal like the DC shooter.

Posted by: HamiltonNJ at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (sCjDS)

26 With her hands over her ears she'll never hear me cumming.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (EATOD)

27 We're always mocking them for knowing nothing about guns.

I read a smart guns blog and I didn't know about the bump fire stocks.

I'm blaming you people.

Nah, you know that you don't know. The media types either think they know or revel in their ignorance since they deem that knowledge too low for them.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (tVWQB)

28 I put a supressor on my derringer but I put it on backwards so it makes it sound like an atomic bomb.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (IqV8l)

29 Jeez. How far the media have fallen. Can you imagine David Brinkley or Chet Huntley, or even Nancy Dickerson, doing such a thing in the '60s?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (Gi0Md)

30 They're suppressors dammit.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (NWiLs)

31 So why are we even talking about silencers? Was one even used in this shooting?

They are just dragging out every hobby horse issue they can after a tragedy.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (G/kZc)

32 she needs to go down to the range with me and stand next to me while I cap off a few hot loaded .357 rounds that blow fire 3 feet out the barrel.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

33

The left's brains must have exploded years ago and this is the residual.

A lot of blank spots and childhood tendencies.

The US is becoming a scary place. Hideous. It must mean some of us are making a difference. Just voting Trump in has unhinged millions to the point of dangerous.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (fceHP)

34 And have any (R)s pointed out how those cool pro-science European countries that the (D)s love so much f*cking require suppressors?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (UUvSq)

35 Sentence her to an hour at a gun range with no hearing protection, indoor or outdoor, doesn't matter.

Posted by: OCBill at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (df+Zi)

36 >>I put a supressor on my derringer but I put it on backwards so it makes it sound like an atomic bomb.

You forgot to put on the thing that goes up, didn't you?
Gotta use those with your assault magazine!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (W+vEI)

37 31
So why are we even talking about silencers? Was one even used in this shooting?

They are just dragging out every hobby horse issue they can after a tragedy.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (G/kZc)

Because their hero sounded off about it immediately.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (mpXpK)

38 It's laughable that the Demoncrats-With-Bylines think government policy can somehow stop evil men.

The ultimate bureaucrat! "Sorry sir, mass murder is now prohibited".

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (ylUqT)

39 11 She has a mouth, and she's not afraid to use it.
Posted by: Caliban at October 04, 2017
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That's not what she should be using it for.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (Gi0Md)

40 so she's a vegetarian? i would like her to be sincere at least.

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (FKrah)

41 Come on, you hunters, man up! When Larry O'Donnell yells at all of us, that's WAY above 130 decibels, but do you see any of us wearing hearing protection?

Posted by: Rachel "Harry Potter" Maddow at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (BDPmp)

42 I read a smart guns blog and I didn't know about the bump fire stocks.

I'm blaming you people.

Posted by: Bandersnatch

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Hopefully I'll be able to sell you mine for about $1200 soon.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (UUvSq)

43 she needs to go down to the range with me and stand next to me while I cap off a few hot loaded .357 rounds that blow fire 3 feet out the barrel.

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You been hanging out with my mother?

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (MNNUY)

44 did she say similar things when scalise was shot?

just wondering

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 12:46 PM (FKrah)

45 Gawd, I hope Melania is appropriately dressed. /s

The MFM need something else to savage.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 12:46 PM (PY9jH)

46 That's a joke, btw. I don't want them banned and see no common-sense reason for them to be blamed for a madman whatever doing his radicalized thing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:46 PM (UUvSq)

47
Because their hero sounded off about it immediately.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:45 PM (mpXpK)

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Do you have a link to McCain's statement?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:47 PM (UUvSq)

48 Great demonstration video of semi-auto vs full auto vs bump stock.

https://youtu.be/Dd9y8hHMUag

Spoiler: bump stock about 50% faster than semi-auto but less than half full auto.

Posted by: OCBill at October 04, 2017 12:47 PM (df+Zi)

49 Once - and only once, thank Tengri - I had to fire a pistol indoors with no hearing protection. This was over two years ago. I still notice loss of hearing and a little residual tinnitus. I can't imagine what the men in combat must be up against.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 12:47 PM (fA1SL)

50 Liberals want childish superiority.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 12:47 PM (oVJmc)

51 OMG...Burr and Warner need to STFU. It's like listening to paint dry.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 12:47 PM (Enq6K)

52 So why are we even talking about silencers? Was one even used in this shooting?

They are just dragging out every hobby horse issue they can after a tragedy.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (G/kZc)

Charlottesville. They were babbling about gun control and nobody even got shot.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 12:48 PM (NWiLs)

53 I read a smart guns blog and I didn't know about the bump fire stocks.

I'm blaming you people.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

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probably because almost nobody uses them, it's a silly novelty for someone who wants to just haphazardly spray a bunch of bullets in the desert with no real aim or control.

I saw ads for similar devices way back when, one of them was called "Hell-Fire"

I've also seen tiny cranks you attach to the trigger guard that basically turns the gun into a "gatling gun" style shooter.

It was just goofball stuff

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 12:48 PM (G/kZc)

54 In before the Scorpion!

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 12:48 PM (60v4h)

55 47 Do you have a link to McCain's statement?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:47 PM (UUvSq)

McShitty's statement came later, this was from Scankles.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:48 PM (mpXpK)

56 51 OMG...Burr and Warner need to STFU. It's like listening to paint dry.
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017
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At least with paint drying, you get something good to look at afterward.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 04, 2017 12:48 PM (Gi0Md)

57 If the guy had been firing semi-auto, he likely could have done more damage.

Posted by: OCBill at October 04, 2017 12:48 PM (df+Zi)

58 I invite anyone who laughs at hearing loss to stand near the front of a 10 mm, .44 Mag, a standard hunting caliber, or even just a sedate 30-30 with their ears unprotected.

Stupid bint.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 04, 2017 12:49 PM (tbOMB)

59 Every single one of them should be taken to an outdoor range and made to fire with a suppressor for an hour with no additional hearing protection.

Posted by: no good deed at October 04, 2017 12:49 PM (eIQHF)

60 Spoiler: bump stock about 50% faster than semi-auto but less than half full auto.

Posted by: OCBill at October 04, 2017 12:47 PM (df+Zi)

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Thank God we're dealing with people who love, appreciate, and understand science.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:49 PM (UUvSq)

61 So, neither silencers or fully automatic rifles were used here.

What are the anti-gunners proposing?

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 12:49 PM (60v4h)

62 I'd be more concerned about the media exposing its complete insanity, but:

1) Hannity is crushing Maddow, again
2) Literally anyone with a gun can force a cowardly media into silence.
3) The President and his supporters have lots of guns to call on.

Posted by: trev006 at October 04, 2017 12:50 PM (kEl81)

63 Solution to the "gun problem": Solve the "gang problem."

I hereby denounce myself.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 04, 2017 12:50 PM (B+qrE)

64 They are latching onto the "silencer" issue to get out ahead of the next revelation that will not reflect well on the left. I believe Hillz got a head's up early on and so started this "silencer" distraction, much in the same way she tried to get out in front of the Obama spying with "Russia, Russia, Russia"

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 04, 2017 12:50 PM (0tN2W)

65 This is what happens when you are only talking to your side, and your side is full of stupid.

Posted by: Meremortal, hand over heart at October 04, 2017 12:50 PM (3myMJ)

66 Imagine if Tucker Carlson covered the next gay marriage story by saying, "Because those gays, they just want to express their love" while simultaneously holding up his fists to pantomime jerking off two dicks.

Posted by: wooga at October 04, 2017 12:50 PM (3I7wr)

67 Daily Mail is my goto on all this.

They have tons of details that don't seem to make their way into MFM but sometimes when they credit the details they come from surprising places like Daily Beast etc.

They also do a thing that I kind of like, but wish they would do differently. They update their articles and keep all (or most) of their previous reporting in there. They don't correct or delete old reporting just because it is wrong - its good because you can see that the story has developed, its bad because if you pick out a part of the article that is old you can have bad info. For example, you can go into one of their stories now and read near the top about 12 rifles with bump stocks, in the middle about 2, toward the end 1, and there may even still be a reference to a full auto weapon (I am still not clear if he had a "real" one).

While I think it is good they keep the erroneous or incomplete information so that if you go back and look you can say "okay I did see that!" but I wish they would parenthetically correct it. So, for example, on the number of bumpstocks in the middle it should have inserted parenthetically (current information is 12). And maybe a link to the new info.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 12:50 PM (I3yVB)

68 Exhibit A: woman who has never been around any guns being fired.

Then she really would be doing that, for real.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (TZPec)

69 You know what will really kill your hearing? Having to fire a pistol in a room in your home, with no hearing protection, should someone break in & threaten you & your family. There's a practical need for a suppressor that doesn't get enough attention.

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (7HtZB)

70 >>If the guy had been firing semi-auto, he likely could have done more damage.

If he had set up twice as far away with a proper rifle and employed some basic Long Range Tactics, he might have killed 2-3x as many people and caused insane amounts of panic for the hours upon hours they would have spent looking for him.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (UyKzE)

71 When I watch this it only strengthens my opinion that as much as the left likes to silence rather than debate opposing opinion it is important for us to make sure these insane leftists do as much talking as they want to - as painful as it is to put up with. Then close to election time replay these videos and say "Here is an avid supporter of the Democrat agenda. Care to join her?"

Posted by: DaveD at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (P5fqQ)

72 So why are we even talking about silencers?

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Ya, why. Why are the republicans so interested in passing - legalizing suppressors? Is there a gun silencer lobby in Washington handing out campaign contributions?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (m9X4Y)

73 That's a joke, btw. I don't want them banned and see no common-sense reason for them to be blamed for a madman whatever doing his radicalized thing.

"Never let a crisis go to waste. It gives you an opportunity to do things you wouldn't otherwise get to do."

- Rahm "Pretty Ballerina" Emmanuel, mayor of the murder capital of Illinois.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (tRaq7)

74 Back to the original post, it's easy for me to see why a hunter would want a suppressor, and I'm not even a hunter.

Posted by: OCBill at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (df+Zi)

75 Speaking of big mouths, Michael Moore sez we need to get rid of PDT and the 2nd Amendment.

I can't believe that fat tub is still alive and waddling around.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (PY9jH)

76 What are the anti-gunners proposing?

Emotional ignorance.

The usual.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (B+qrE)

77 So, neither silencers or fully automatic rifles were used here.

What are the anti-gunners proposing?

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 12:49 PM (60v4h)

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Legislation that will take up a month or more of Congress' time because something that happens every single month in every black city across the nation happened one time to white people for the first time in history.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:52 PM (UUvSq)

78 well, you guys, THIS WILL FINALLY BE THE TIME we get trump and guns and republicans and white men!

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 04, 2017 12:52 PM (XhN8Z)

79 >>>What are the anti-gunners proposing?

Banning bump stocks. Because springs are literally Hitler.

Posted by: wooga at October 04, 2017 12:52 PM (3I7wr)

80 What we really need are the Democrat programs that are working so well in their inner cities.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 12:52 PM (7ulel)

81 If firearms were invented today, the FTC would require sound suppressors before they could be marketed.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 12:52 PM (60v4h)

82 Speaking of big mouths, Michael Moore sez we need to get rid of PDT and the 2nd Amendment.

Good luck with that.

I hear Catalonia has an opening for a Minister of Bacon Grease, lardo.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (B+qrE)

83 MSNBC must want MOAR TRUMP.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Culture Producer at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (S416i)

84 Hell, I have a pellet gun that sends then out at 1,500 fps. Ear protection is helpful with that.

Posted by: Meremortal, hand over heart at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (3myMJ)

85 69 You know what will really kill your hearing? Having to fire a pistol in a room in your home, with no hearing protection, should someone break in & threaten you & your family. There's a practical need for a suppressor that doesn't get enough attention.
Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (7HtZB)

Even worse if you rely on a 12 Gauge 00 Buck

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (jxbfJ)

86 72 Ya, why. Why are the republicans so interested in
passing - legalizing suppressors? Is there a gun silencer lobby in
Washington handing out campaign contributions?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 04, 2017 12:51 PM (m9X4Y)

Suppressors are already legal by Federal law. But the gun lobby want the feds to standardize it across the nation because it varies from State to State.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (mpXpK)

87 So Trump is looking like a two termer. I would not have predicted that.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (q177U)

88 'Cover your ears and open your mouth.' - That was the very last part of her job interview, no doubt.
Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 12:43 PM (UyKzE)

"Swallow or it goes in your eye." I think is the next instruction. The last instruction is "Here. Wipe that off with this."

Posted by: Semper Why at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (L8TEz)

89
They could at least differ on a few things to make it seem like they are trying. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:42 PM (mpXpK)
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As I mentioned on Sefton's thread, if I watch TV news (antenna), I actually prefer NBC. They must have shuffled their crazies off to the MS cable network. CBS and ABC still have the crazies on network. Yes, NBC is almost unbearably lefty, but the crazed idiots are on the cable channel.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (MIKMs)

90 #69

I always loved the cop shows where there's a brief shootout, then they whisper to each other about what to do next.

Posted by: OCBill at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (df+Zi)

91 ...well, people who lose their ability to hear have a hearing disability, no?

So it's fair to say she was making fun of the disabled?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 12:54 PM (wmaTe)

92 Called it. Jazz Shaw:
As I said above, this probably seems completely out of character for me, but as much as it pains me to say it and with full knowledge of the potential implications for a slippery slope, I think we need to consider a ban on both bump stocks and these automatic fire conversion kits.

Republicans offer a ban on bump stocks to show we did SOMETHING.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 12:54 PM (BoMuO)

93 Haha she called the supressor a silencer.

And now some of the media take pride in having ignorance of firearms.

Posted by: goodluckduck at October 04, 2017 12:54 PM (yqvys)

94 15 AF1 has landed in Vegas.

And that bitch up there be stoooopid.
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 12:42 PM (Enq6K)

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What is the Melania shoe Defcon?

Posted by: Isaac at October 04, 2017 12:55 PM (oGRue)

95 Did I miss the part where silencers had anything to do with the a-hole in Vegas?

Posted by: red speck at October 04, 2017 12:55 PM (6Krd7)

96
This is how it goes:

Something Happened....therefore... Must Pass alt-left Democrat agenda

Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 12:55 PM (AmGHy)

97 What is the Melania shoe Defcon?

Posted by: Isaac at October 04, 2017 12:55 PM (oGRue)

Defcon 2....it's Vegas baby.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (Enq6K)

98 MSNBC must want MOAR TRUMP.

It's like November never happened. Trump just spontaneously became President. Kind of like Libya or Syria being a barrel of laughs just....grew that way all on their own.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (B+qrE)

99 The solution(s) proposed by these asshats is ALWAYS more regulation, less personal privilege and NEVER personal accountability.

And if that stupid scrunt thinks wearing hearing protection is silly, come to range with me bitch and you can shoot a box of .45ACP with no 'ears' then report back.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (i0ykY)

100 Called it. Jazz Shaw:
As I said above, this probably seems completely out of character for me, but as much as it pains me to say it and with full knowledge of the potential implications for a slippery slope, I think we need to consider a ban on both bump stocks and these automatic fire conversion kits.

Republicans offer a ban on bump stocks to show we did SOMETHING.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 12:54 PM (BoMuO)

a) it's already super duper illegal to convert a gun to automatic (it's also relatively easy to do if you have a machine shop and know what you're doing -- hard to make owning a lathe illegal)

b) bump stocks? I mean -- why? If anything, it hurt his accuracy. They're kind of a silly toy, but again -- we're talking a stock with a spring in it. How hard is it to manufacturer your own at home? Not hard at all.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (wmaTe)

101 Wow. I just posted what I posted about DM, and I am reading their latest story about the gf:

Newsweek has since retracted a report they published late Tuesday saying that Marilou - a Philippines native - had once been married to two men at the same time and used two social security numbers during her two decades in the US.

The report had claimed that Marilou had two husbands at once, claiming she was married to both Geary Danley in 1990 and Jose Bustos in 1996. Geary Danley, 76, lives in Arkansas, but she did not divorce him until 2015, the report added.

But public records found by DailyMail.com showed they were in fact two completely different women.

DM doing the work that Newsweek doesn't do.

Still, the DM does have a picture of the shooter in a group in a casino that includes Danley from 2014, and pictures of him in the PI with her and family from 2013. She has clearly been involved with him longer than the beginning of this year.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (I3yVB)

102 92 Yeah,the usual useless gesture .

Posted by: steevy at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (rmVvL)

103 "So why are we even talking about silencers?"

Because Felonia von Pantsuit - as the bodies were still falling - ran her fucking mouth on Twitter about silencers.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (jWe5r)

104 Nothing worse than a liberal scold with SUGAR TITS!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (WLK0w)

105

Isn't the barrel also a "suppressor" of sorts?

Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (AmGHy)

106 Suppressors are already legal by Federal law. But the gun lobby want the feds to standardize it across the nation because it varies from State to State.

And do away with the $200 Tax and special licensing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (60v4h)

107 31 So why are we even talking about silencers? Was one even used in this shooting?

They are just dragging out every hobby horse issue they can after a tragedy.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (G/kZc)

++++

There was already legislation that had been written to legalize silencers. It was an issue that had been peculating and it would have been debated. Of course, the left knew this. So, that is what they chose for their first avenue of attack. Ryan already pulled the legislation off the schedule.

While it might seem appropriate to lambaste Ryan for caving, it's the smart move. The squishier GOP types are not going to want to get behind that kind of legislation right now. Better to pull it and wait for the heat to fade and come back to it later when it has a better chance of passing.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (FUu/Z)

108 79 >>>What are the anti-gunners proposing?

Banning bump stocks. Because springs are literally Hitler.
Posted by: wooga at October 04, 2017 12:52 PM (3I7wr)

Springtime for Hitler?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (NWiLs)

109 Nothing worse than a liberal scold with SUGAR TITS!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (WLK0w)

I believe she has resting bitch face.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (PY9jH)

110 "Swallow or it goes in your eye." I think is the next instruction. The last instruction is "Here. Wipe that off with this."
Posted by: Semper Why at October 04, 2017 12:53 PM (L8TEz)

You forgot "Better put some ice on that."

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Culture Producer at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (S416i)

111 so she married another guy while married to geary and she also was a girlfriend to another guy while married to geary

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (FKrah)

112 Called it. Jazz Shaw:
As I said above, this probably seems completely out of character for me, but as much as it pains me to say it and with full knowledge of the potential implications for a slippery slope, I think we need to consider a ban on both bump stocks and these automatic fire conversion kits.

---

Nope. You've been cashing Hotair/Salem checks for years. I'd be more surprised if you didn't write it. Or, you know, quit.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (UUvSq)

113 BTW... every time they want to ban something, I want to buy it.

NOW.

Not because I need it, because they want to ban it.

/and no, silencers had nothing to do with Vegas, Hillary mentioned them in a Tweet I think.

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (aT+Bx)

114
Called it. Jazz Shaw:
As I said above, this probably seems completely out of character for me, but as much as it pains me to say it and with full knowledge of the potential implications for a slippery slope, I think we need to consider a ban on both bump stocks and these automatic fire conversion kits.

Republicans offer a ban on bump stocks to show we did SOMETHING.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 12:54 PM

As did Michael Savage and Tucker Carlson.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (IqV8l)

115
You know how "back-up alarms" are mandatory on some vehicles?

These alt-left totalitarians seem to be angling towards laws requiring an ALARM type of siren or signal on all guns as they're "activated."

Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (AmGHy)

116 But can she use it for something actually useful? On the plus side what I've got in mind would at least keep her quiet for a while. Though I might need rabies shots after.

11
She has a mouth, and she's not afraid to use it.

Posted by: Caliban at October 04, 2017 12:41 PM (DrC22)

Posted by: AdamPM at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (uSn+c)

117 Isn't the barrel also a "suppressor" of sorts?
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (AmGHy)

yes.

Also, you can buy a suppressor if you have a few hundred bucks and a lot of time on your hands as the current law stands and has stood for, as far as I know, decades.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (wmaTe)

118 I think she needs to do an investigation into the use of full auto weapons, at a gun range, without hearing protection.

Then she can have her signature online phrase be, "Whut-whut-whut you say?"

Posted by: geoffb at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (zOpu5)

119 Called it. Jazz Shaw:
--

Look, give Jazz a break. It's not easy being a teenage transgender on TLC and writing for a blog!

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (aT+Bx)

120 Republicans offer a ban on bump stocks to show we did SOMETHING.
____

Yes, because surely if we do something, we'll not be asked to do something more the very next time this happens.

If you compromise on the 2nd Amendment, gun ownership will gradually be regulated out of existence. You have to realize that the other side is not compromising at all, they are just playing a long game, because the short one - ban on all guns now - is a no sale.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (ppBhU)

121 106 Suppressors are already legal by Federal law. But the gun lobby want the feds to standardize it across the nation because it varies from State to State.

And do away with the $200 Tax and special licensing.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (60v4h)

Having suppressors be a Class III item is just stupid. If there's any lobbying by suppressor manufacturers it would be to keep the current regulation because it creates barriers to entry in the market and keeps prices astronomical.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (NWiLs)

122 bump stocks? I mean -- why? If anything, it hurt his accuracy. They're kind of a silly toy, but again -- we're talking a stock with a spring in it. How hard is it to manufacturer your own at home? Not hard at all.

So much for the majesty of the law.

"Yeah, I was set up...I got 5 years because my stock had a spring in it."

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (tVWQB)

123 Now, now, now, let's be fair.

All y'all are assuming Stephanie Ruhle is intellectually capable of comprehending the notion of decibels. I do not agree with that position.

It's unfair to mock a poor woman who is mentally challenged like that.

For shame, Horde, for shame.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:00 PM (mf5HN)

124 Burr: "No vote totals were affected by Russia meddling"

"Russia ads were used to "influence" voting."

Really? You have proof they 'influenced" anyone? And which way did that "influence" go?

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 01:00 PM (Enq6K)

125 Republicans offer a ban on bump stocks to show we did SOMETHING.

I'm looking forward to the next bill in Congress: The Law What Bans That Thing That Goes Up to Protect the Chillen From Those Racisty White Supemecisty Oppressors Rethuglicans Act of 2017.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 04, 2017 01:00 PM (tRaq7)

126 automatic fire conversion kits

He can't provide a link to one of these, can't he? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:00 PM (60v4h)

127 MSNBC: Too Little Intelligence Chasing Too Much News

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Cater Your Fall Freakout from the Outrage Outlet & Get two Free Skeptic at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (hLRSq)

128 I believe she has resting bitch face.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (PY9jH)

*

Yes, her Native American name is Resting Bitch Face what has Sugar Tits.

Posted by: dananjcon at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (WLK0w)

129 so she married another guy while married to geary and she also was a girlfriend to another guy while married to geary

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (FKrah)

willow see my post at 101. Apparently Newsweek had their reporting wrong. It does appear that there is overlap between her involvement with the shooter and marriage to Geary.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (I3yVB)

130
Check out the "silencers" made from an oil filter on Youtube.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (IqV8l)

131
My point is: ANYTHING that the bullet travels down before exiting the weapon can be considered a Suppressor.

Because it is "containing" some degree of noise.

Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (AmGHy)

132 Also, you can buy a suppressor if you have a few hundred bucks and a lot
of time on your hands as the current law stands and has stood for, as
far as I know, decades.
---

Hollywood has also taught me that pillows can be used as suppressors.

We must BAN pillows now! That My Pillow Dude is an NRA stooge!!!!!!

Posted by: Really Smart Liberals at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (aT+Bx)

133 Don't forget the "Hands up, don't shoot"...so we have a anchor desk with on newsreader with her hands over her ears, another with her hands up, missing is the one with he hands over her eyes...coming soon.

Posted by: Colin at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (+L+7T)

134 92 Cat Ass Trophy,
Jazz Hands and popping fresh are the spine of the gop

Posted by: Sven10077 at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (CJRaf)

135 My. Rather is avid hunter. He is deaf from birth in one ear. Load. Lose could affect his remaining bearing. So is it wrong for him to want to use a suppressor in addition to ear protection?

Posted by: Unclezeb at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (TElEC)

136 Jazz Shaw, "I'm a useful idiot and love me some baby-steps toward tyranny."

Posted by: geoffb at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (zOpu5)

137 it's already super duper illegal to convert a gun to automatic (it's also relatively easy to do if you have a machine shop and know what you're doing -- hard to make owning a lathe illegal)

Don't even need a lathe. Looking at the guts of my AR I could probly do it with a file and some patience. Coping saw would go a little quicker.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (BoMuO)

138 As I said above, this probably seems completely out of character for me, but as much as it pains me to say it and with full knowledge of the potential implications for a slippery slope, I think we need to consider a ban on both bump stocks and these automatic fire conversion kits.

fine. do that. As long as you don't start profiling reclusive old white guys who have no friends and live alone - have no police record, no social media, no phone, and doesn't wear pants while posting comments on internet blogs.

...and I don't gamble. not even a lottery ticket.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (m9X4Y)

139 The stupid that is America never improves. I attribute this to TeeVee.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (YV+SU)

140 While I think it is good they keep the erroneous or incomplete information so that if you go back and look you can say "okay I did see that!" but I wish they would parenthetically correct it. So, for example, on the number of bumpstocks in the middle it should have inserted parenthetically (current information is 12). And maybe a link to the new info.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 12:50 PM (I3yVB)

I think they are the ones who noted that the girlfriend did NOT have two social security numbers, or was a bigot having multiple husbands and lives. Newsweek was called out as fake news on this, because they were mistakenly talking about two different people! Idiots.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (fceHP)

141
so she married another guy while married to geary and she also was a girlfriend to another guy while married to geary
=====

Sounds like the MN rep who married her brother while married to someone else. Diversity!

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (MIKMs)

142 All y'all are assuming Stephanie Ruhle is intellectually capable of comprehending the notion of decibels. I do not agree with that position.

It's unfair to mock a poor woman who is mentally challenged like that.

For shame, Horde, for shame.
Posted by: alexthechick

I am a Moron. I am shameless. It is in my DNA.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (ECUyd)

143 Oops auto correct "my brother"

Posted by: Unclezeb at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (TElEC)

144 ok, i see it blaster.

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (FKrah)

145 Stephanie Ruhle may be pretty stupid but she's a party girl, I'll giver her that. She rocks Halloween, even though her husband has an questionable fondness for cross-dressing.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7g97nf2

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (ylUqT)

146 she needs to go down to the range with me and stand next to me while I cap off a few hot loaded .357 rounds that blow fire 3 feet out the barrel.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

Look, everyone - I found a picture of Vic at the firing range:

http://tinyurl.com/yb4yz4oh

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (X6fMO)

147
Silencers (suppressors).

http://tinyurl.com/yaqxk869

Posted by: Javems at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (yOqwj)

148 Did I hear correctly on Fox that the majority of weapons were purchased after OCT2016?

Posted by: Paracaidista319 at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (xQW6p)

149 if Burt is around , i'm sorry for totally going off .

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (FKrah)

150 >>>I read a smart guns blog and I didn't know about the bump fire stocks.

Because they are counterproductive novelties. It basically allows the whole gun to float away from your hand when you shoot, and then the "bump stock" bounces it forward again towards your hand, where the collision with you finger fires another round, and the recoil sends the whole gun floating away again. This is a ton of motion, and because the gun is moving all over the place, you can't aim for shit.

"Gatling cranks" are slightly better (or the similar concept auto-glove). Those are basically rotating devices that manually pull the trigger as you crank, so the gun movement is not as wild as with a bump stock. But that's not as cool looking in YouTube.

Posted by: wooga at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (3I7wr)

151 If you compromise on the 2nd Amendment, gun ownership will gradually be regulated out of existence. You have to realize that the other side is not compromising at all, they are just playing a long game, because the short one - ban on all guns now - is a no sale.
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (ppBhU)

It's already been compromised upon beyond the point where I'm comfortable pretending congress has anywhere near the kind of authority they've claimed over something protected by the bill of rights.

Background checks, FFL's, automatic weapon bans, certain ammo bans, all kinds of state restrictions like conceal carry permits, etc. etc.

Imagine if the 1st amendment was this "compromised" on. We'd say "well, shit, it's meaningless at this point."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (wmaTe)

152 We must BAN pillows now! That My Pillow Dude is an NRA stooge!!!!!!

Posted by: Really Smart Liberals at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (aT+Bx)

Pillow biters hardest hit.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (tbOMB)

153 willow see my post at 101. Apparently Newsweek had their reporting
wrong. It does appear that there is overlap between her involvement
with the shooter and marriage to Geary.

--

If true, haw-haw.

Gateway Pundit says Newsweek story of different SS #s and bigamy is fake news.

/really? Gateway Pundit is more reliable? [in Mr. Sulu voie:] Oh my.

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (aT+Bx)

154 Sounds like the MN rep who married her brother while married to someone else. Diversity!

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (MIKMs)

Married her brother?! I'm pretty sure that's illegal....but at this point, who knows.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (Enq6K)

155 The stupid that is America never improves. I attribute this to TeeVee.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (YV+SU)

I see it more as the political agenda's threaded through every single thing we see or hear now.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (fceHP)

156 bump stocks? I mean -- why? If anything, it hurt his accuracy.

Was there damage elsewhere? How do we know he even used the things? He must have practiced a lot, an awful lot.

From 1000 feet away, it seems an odd choice.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (tIhIY)

157
"Russia ads were used to "influence" voting."

How do they know that? Did they conduct a poll or something?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout! at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (hLRSq)

158 ban on both bump stocks and these automatic fire conversion kits.

WTF is an "automatic fire conversion kit"? Is there such a thing?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (326rv)

159
We can rule out: Insane and/or depressed.

We can rule in: Evil

This shooting was political. Totally.

Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (AmGHy)

160 even though her husband has an questionable fondness for cross-dressing.

---

It would be interesting to know who thinks up and openly suggests the costumes. Because someone has to.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (UUvSq)

161 Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at October 04, 2017 12:59 PM (ppBhU)

The real problem is how do you craft legislative language to do it?

Uh, you can't modify an semi auto to shoot faster? You can't modify a semi auto to act like an auto (even though its not an auto)?

You can't shoot fast?

We here in Clownifornia are already wayyyy down this slippery slope...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (NgKpN)

162 Senator Otter: I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

Senator Blutarski: And we're just the guys to do it.

Posted by: In The Halls of Congress at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (tIhIY)

163
Buy MY GUN PILLOW!

Posted by: Mike Lindell at October 04, 2017 01:05 PM (AmGHy)

164 107 31 So why are we even talking about silencers? Was one even used in this shooting?

They are just dragging out every hobby horse issue they can after a tragedy.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 12:44 PM (G/kZc)

++++

There was already legislation that had been written to legalize silencers. It was an issue that had been peculating and it would have been debated. Of course, the left knew this. So, that is what they chose for their first avenue of attack. Ryan already pulled the legislation off the schedule.

While it might seem appropriate to lambaste Ryan for caving, it's the smart move. The squishier GOP types are not going to want to get behind that kind of legislation right now. Better to pull it and wait for the heat to fade and come back to it later when it has a better chance of passing.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 12:57 PM (FUu/Z)

You are right. Yet I took this bill as possibly the one piece of legislation that the GOP-e could pass (and not f--- up) to save their face in 2018.

Keep in mind there were other components in that legislation besides suppressors. Keeping the government from banning the M855/M193 ammo. Reinforce the FOPA laws keeping states from targeting citizens traveling THROUGH them with weapons. Weapons that a person was legally allowed to have and carry in their home state and to legally have and carry at their destination.

New York State is like the Great Wall of China for people living in New England. Add in Mass. and CT and you truly roll the dice if someone living in NH wants to take a firearm to Florida for the winter.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 04, 2017 01:05 PM (jxbfJ)

165 They might have to outlaw Jerry Michalek (sp?) while they're at it.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:05 PM (tIhIY)

166 137 it's already super duper illegal to convert a gun to automatic (it's also relatively easy to do if you have a machine shop and know what you're doing -- hard to make owning a lathe illegal)

Don't even need a lathe. Looking at the guts of my AR I could probly do it with a file and some patience. Coping saw would go a little quicker.
-----------
The parts to convert are available. The Chinese market them. The question is why do it? Full auto is not that useful of a tactic. Breaking contact or suppressing a target, yeah. But the problem is you run out of ammo pretty quickly and then what is your move?

You seldom get a large number of targets packed into a tight space. Even the best ambushes require aimed fire.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:05 PM (YV+SU)

167 if Burt is around , i'm sorry for totally going off .
Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (FKrah)

Wait, wait, what?

STOP DOING INTERESTING THINGS WHILE I AM TRYING TO WORK AT WORK, HORDE!

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (mf5HN)

168 MSNBC : Because Communism Still Might Work!

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (2wRtc)

169 Did I miss the part where silencers had anything to do with the a-hole in Vegas?

Yes. President Hillary said that if people has been able to HEAR the gunshots they could have gotten away. Basically.

I don't know much about guns but reporters seem to know less than me - remember the idiot who thought the ear plugs were "rubber bullets" It was aft ferguson or some other recent riot.

Posted by: there was one? at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (RzUqr)

170 95,
"Did I miss the part where silencers had anything to do with the a-hole in Vegas?"

The "argument" is that if he'd used them people wouldn't have heard the shots. It's a stupid argument as usual from them.

Posted by: geoffb at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (zOpu5)

171 Hahaha! Those pathetic hunters, unable to put up with a little noise! Awww, did it hurt your poor widdle earsies? Did the big bad boomstick scare you? Of course they deserve to be mocked.

Posted by: SJW Snowflake at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (/qEW2)

172 "Russia ads were used to "influence" voting."

Sorry, I can't render an opinion on this until Facebook tells me I can. Or something.

We live in the Age of Stupid.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (B+qrE)

173 WTF is an "automatic fire conversion kit"? Is there such a thing?

and they're legal now, apparently.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (60v4h)

174 Apropos of nothing I just made an extra donation to the NRA today.

I do not have a financial stake in the NRA, but I do have a liberty interest.

I might suggest others do the same, so we can at least register our opinion in some meaningful way, e.g. the NRA being able to cite that x-million gun owners just voted with their pocket books.
Just a suggestion. Back to work...

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (0tN2W)

175 Don't even need a lathe. Looking at the guts of my AR I could probly do it with a file and some patience. Coping saw would go a little quicker.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (BoMuO)

Yeah, I mean we're talking about a technology that has (in one form or another) been around for hundreds of years. You can't uninvent the firearm any more then you could undiscover that opium can get you really, really, high.

Guns used to be made by hand in a world without indoor plumbing or electricity. All you need is some metal, a fire, and some skills.

In a world with CNC machines, 3D printing, the internet, etc. etc., it's ludicrous to pretend you can "BAN" a technology as simple as a firearm.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (wmaTe)

176 Stupid Bitch. I am about deaf in my left ear from bird hunting a lot when I was young.

At the range I wear ear plugs and cover with ear muffs when the guys are shooting the .338 lapuas w a muzzle break.

Shit, they use them I Europe and they are anti gun.

What a turd gurgler that scrunt is

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (M+Lyo)

177 The media is upset that the Russians paid Facebook to run ads to influence elections, that was their gig for decades.

Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2017 01:07 PM (8CsrR)

178 You know how many pedestrians are mowed down by fully suppressed automobiles? We probably need to have a national discussion about outlawing suppression of car engines. And also we let anybody go buy a full auto-mobile? These things are dangerous and kill 40,000 people per year. We need to restrict them to semiautomobiles at least.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:07 PM (BoMuO)

179 You know, if I were a reporter, and I had to do a story on guns and noise, I'd go to a range and fire a few of them to see what its like. You know, learn the subject.

Sure, it would cut into the Spirit Cooking parties, but you must make sacrifices to do your job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:07 PM (TZPec)

180 Best part? We might see bump stocks banned, but it will likely be secondary to requirements that guns be somehow manufactured so that they can only shoot a round every second or some other arbitrary rate.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:07 PM (UUvSq)

181 Apparently Newsweek had their reporting wrong.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (I3yVB)

I'm wearing my shocked face right now.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Culture Producer at October 04, 2017 01:07 PM (S416i)

182 "Russia ads were used to "influence" voting."

How do they know that? Did they conduct a poll or something?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the
Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout! at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM
(hLRSq)

CNN poll, known for its accuracy. Especially if done in the newsroom.

Posted by: Colin at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (+L+7T)

183 One thing a real reporter would investigate regarding suppressors is how many veterans receive a disability due to loss of hearing. I am one of those. The US spends an awful lot on hearing aids to former servicemen.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (YV+SU)

184 Teslas, Bolts, etc. (and Priuseseses up to certain speeds) are completely silent, aren't they?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (UUvSq)

185 In the United States, taxes and strict regulations affect the manufacture and sale of suppressors under the National Firearms Act. They are legal for individuals to possess and use for lawful purposes in 42 of the 50 states. However, a prospective owner must go through an application process administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which requires a federal tax payment of $200 and a thorough criminal background check. The tax payment buys a revenue stamp, which is the legal document allowing possession of a suppressor. The 8 states that have explicitly banned any civilian from possessing a suppressor are: California, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and the District of Columbia. The states of Connecticut and Vermont allow for suppressor ownership but prohibit using suppressors while hunting. The federal legal requirements to manufacture a suppressor in the United States are enumerated in Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code. The individual states and several municipalities also have their specific requirements. Federal law provides severe penalties for crimes of violence committed using firearms equipped with silencers: a minimum prison sentence of 30 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor#North_America

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (FUu/Z)

186 Unfortunately most of what passes as debate or discussion these days is a variety of mocking and satirical sneers. Any time you see the word "muh" used for my, it means the person doing so has abandoned any pretense of discussion or convincing someone and is just hoping to club their opponent into shame and silence.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (TZPec)

187 Guns used to be made by hand in a world without indoor plumbing or electricity. All you need is some metal, a fire, and some skills.

In a world with CNC machines, 3D printing, the internet, etc. etc., it's ludicrous to pretend you can "BAN" a technology as simple as a firearm.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Guns are still made by hand in Pakistan and Philippines

Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (8CsrR)

188 We can rule out: Insane and/or depressed.

We can rule in: Evil

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But I thought he was on Valium?

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (aT+Bx)

189 179 You know, if I were a reporter, and I had to do a story on guns and noise, I'd go to a range and fire a few of them to see what its like. You know, learn the subject.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:07 PM (TZPec)

That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Culture Producer at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (S416i)

190 You know how many pedestrians are mowed down by fully suppressed automobiles?
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The electric ones are the worst. Totally silent.

Of course they have not been actually used in a mass murder, but after London Bridge , how can you be opposed to sensible vehicle control laws?

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 01:09 PM (2wRtc)

191 Federal law provides severe penalties for crimes of violence committed using firearms equipped with silencers: a minimum prison sentence of 30 years.

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Well that saves us all a lot of time writing new stupid laws addressing a non-problem.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:09 PM (UUvSq)

192 159
We can rule out: Insane and/or depressed.

We can rule in: Evil

This shooting was political. Totally.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (AmGHy)

This may have been #fakenews, but I did read this morning that the shooter was on diazepan (Valium).

One more case where these types of drugs continually show up in these mass murder events.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 04, 2017 01:09 PM (jxbfJ)

193 Yeah, I live in Commiefornia

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 04, 2017 01:09 PM (M+Lyo)

194

If these muthafuckin cucks and cocksuckers pass ANY KIND of gun law in the next few days after telling us they have NO TIME to repeal obamacare until NEXT YEAR....

Posted by: Mike Lindell at October 04, 2017 01:09 PM (AmGHy)

195 Was there damage elsewhere? How do we know he even used the things? He must have practiced a lot, an awful lot.

From 1000 feet away, it seems an odd choice.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (tIhIY)

You can hear in the videos what appears to be full-auto fire. It is continuous, and certainly faster than you can pull your trigger on your own. Reporting says he had 12 rifles with bump stocks, and we have seen a photograph of one of them. Also seen in photgraphs are double stack 100 rd mags for ar-15s.

Unless he also had a full auto converted AR 15 in the room, he used at least one of the bump stock weapons.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 01:09 PM (I3yVB)

196 The parts to convert are available. The Chinese market them. The question is why do it? Full auto is not that useful of a tactic. Breaking contact or suppressing a target, yeah. But the problem is you run out of ammo pretty quickly and then what is your move?

You seldom get a large number of targets packed into a tight space. Even the best ambushes require aimed fire.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:05 PM (YV+SU)

Right, why are we even accepting the lefts premise that "full auto" is something desireable if you're in a military and/or mass shooting situation.

There's a reason our troops don't carry fully-auto Thompson guns anymore (like in WWI) -- because its a stupid waste of ammo and you have next to zero accuracy.

Burst mode has its uses for cover fire, but again -- you're basically just making noise at that point, it is not a tactical advantage to have a gun that shoots out all 30 rounds with one trigger pull.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (wmaTe)

197 ..and I don't gamble. not even a lottery ticket.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse

Every ticket you don't buy is reportable income, citizen...

Posted by: IRS at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (YXJ+5)

198 Teslas, Bolts, etc. (and Priuseseses up to certain speeds) are completely silent, aren't they?

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Yes, and that makes it dangerous for blind pedistrians who can't hear them. What this country needs are electric vehicles that sound like Harley Davidson hogs so people can hear them coming.

That is why guns have to be loud, to protect blind pedestrians who otherwise might wander onto a shooting range.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (m9X4Y)

199 Dear Horde.
Buy stock in bumpers. The oldest son just passed his drivers permit.

Posted by: Picric at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (uvAuw)

200

ot

very fun read

Via instapundit

SICK BURN: Ann Althouse takes apart Jeffrey Toobin and, in the process, Ruth Bader Ginsburg:

http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2017/10/jeffrey-toobin-says-ginsburg-slaps.html

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:11 PM (fceHP)

201 I wonder how that scrunt would like living with chronic tinnitus? I don't regret how I spent my youth, but I do wish I had had access to modern electronic ear-pro back then.

And of course, somehow allergies make it worse. Like today.

Posted by: Holdfast at October 04, 2017 01:11 PM (VLZf4)

202 But I thought he was on Valium?

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (aT+Bx)

Valium is one of those drugs where I just assume if you have been prescribed it, your doctor is a quack, and you're abusing it.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:11 PM (TOk1P)

203 One thing a real reporter would investigate regarding suppressors is how many veterans receive a disability due to loss of hearing.

Its hard to believe but guns and bombs are indeed very loud.

Personally I don't support the "lets legalize suppressors" push. It seems like a pretty minor need when even basic ear protection is good enough for hunters. Suppressors have a secondary effect of making it more difficult to spot where the bang came from which isn't helpful for law enforcement or people seeking cover.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:11 PM (TZPec)

204 It's amazing how flummoxed so many liberals (particularly media types) are by anything mechanical.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (oVJmc)

205 I'll put my flame suit on, and say this as someone that owns like 40+ guns. I'm not going to flip out if they "ban" bump stocks.

I will flip out if they do things like regulate magazine size back to 10 rounds, create a federal gun database, start regulating private sales, etc.

But bump stocks are to the 2nd Amendment like 8 month abortion is for the pro-choice crowd. A really dumb place to stake your flag.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (G/kZc)

206 I agree that firearms can be made easily. CBS news showed reports of Afghans making copies of AK 47s and Enfield rifles.
Isn't there a potential chokepoint in the production of modern, safe ammunition? Especially in the propellent?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (326rv)

207 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (UUvSq)

No, don't ask the question. Just talk as if they are.
"These Priuses and Teslas are totally silent! Nobody can hear them! People get run over by one of these things going 100MPH and never hear it! But we allow it because the drivers widdle eaws huuuuuurt.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (BoMuO)

208 Guns are still made by hand in Pakistan and Philippines
Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (8CsrR)

Right, Vice (I think) did a video on the gun makers in Waziristan (Pakistan/ Afghanistan border) who melt down car doors and shit to make knock off pistols.

With no technology.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (wmaTe)

209 "The parts to convert are available. The Chinese market them. The question is why do it? Full auto is not that useful of a tactic."

*puts on sunglasses, black AC/DC t-shirt, blasts awesome, rockin' metal guitar riff on stereo, and records self blasting away at full auto while screaming incomprehensibly*

*watches playback* "That was so cool...."

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout! at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (hLRSq)

210 They are legal for individuals to possess and use
for lawful purposes in 42 of the 50 states.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (FUu/Z)

So they are already illegal for use in murder? Huzzah! Lefties' problems solved.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (tbOMB)

211 How often are legal suppressors used in a crime?

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (60v4h)

212 Horde, I need your help.

What are automatic rounds?

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/915622557306548224

"While the guns Stephen Paddock used in Las Vegas fired automatic rounds, they were perfectly legal under ATF rules"

Here's the link to the story for the Horde to devour:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-made-his-guns-even-deadlier/

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

213 206 I agree that firearms can be made easily. CBS news showed reports of Afghans making copies of AK 47s and Enfield rifles.
Isn't there a potential chokepoint in the production of modern, safe ammunition? Especially in the propellent?
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 01:12 PM (326rv)

Well, safe is kind of the keyword.

Lots of people reload ammo, it's time consuming and can be done fairly safely with off-the-shelf products. But gunpowder is easy enough to produce on your own if you had to.

It's just hard to get the mixology right sometimes.

But I'm sure people do it as a hobby.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (wmaTe)

214 "use these silencers"

Check me if I'm wrong, but the shooter didn't use silencers. Silencers had nothing to do with this event.

The silencers think is just another Hillary! look at me I'm SMART and I could do STUFF if I was President!

Here check this EASY button out!

Posted by: simplemind at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (+p2AA)

215 if Burt is around , i'm sorry for totally going off .
Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (FKrah)

Wait, wait, what?

STOP DOING INTERESTING THINGS WHILE I AM TRYING TO WORK AT WORK, HORDE!

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand!

This isn't today's issue. I think Monday, BurtTC under a sock made a comment about the shooting that was kind of pushing the line, though it was intended as /sarc. A few people including willow took him to task at first, but once it was all explained I thought the issue was resolved. Not sure if it resurfaced at some point.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (/qEW2)

216 Teslas, Bolts, etc. (and Priuseseses up to certain speeds) are completely silent, aren't they? /i]

Not exactly, they make some noise from wind friction, tires on the road, suspension, etc. There is some engine noise as well, electric motors are not soundless, just much quiter than a continuous series of controlled explosions.

They're just a lot quieter than an ordinary car and in normal traffic you won't hear any of those sounds.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (TZPec)

217 211
How often are legal suppressors used in a crime?

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (60v4h)
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Alex, I will take things that never happen for $800.

Posted by: Penfold at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (Fbt5B)

218 211 How often are legal suppressors used in a crime?
Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (60v4h)

about as often as legal machine guns are used in a crime.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (wmaTe)

219 Maritime, #31:

"So why are we even talking about silencers? Was one even used in this shooting?"

It's like this. If I'm a liberal, and something happens that upsets both of us equally, you have to give me something I've been wanting for a long time, because your submission to me is reassuring. If you refuse, this is upsetting to me and makes me feel that everything is spinning out of control.

(I said if. This is the only way the liberal response makes sense to me.)

Posted by: JPS at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (e7yxx)

220 154 Sounds like the MN rep who married her brother while married to someone else. Diversity!

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (MIKMs)

Married her brother?! I'm pretty sure that's illegal....but at this point, who knows.
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (Enq6K)

If widespread, this would explain a lot about MN.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (SRKgf)

221 Probably gonna have a run on gas shocks if the silencer ban doesn't get approved.

Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (8CsrR)

222 Burst mode has its uses for cover fire, but again -- you're basically just making noise at that point, it is not a tactical advantage to have a gun that shoots out all 30 rounds with one trigger pull.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (wmaTe)

and yet every military in the world retains full auto capability.

I think I'll go with THEIR opinion.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (NgKpN)

223 Personally I don't support the "lets legalize suppressors" push. It seems like a pretty minor need when even basic ear protection is good enough for hunters. Suppressors have a secondary effect of making it more difficult to spot where the bang came from which isn't helpful for law enforcement or people seeking cover.

1. A criminal will still get one.
2. Someone above noted that for home defence, the need is actually greater. You need to identify WTF is going on, safeguard family, and then try to level. People may not have time or want to put on ear protection.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (326rv)

224 206. Primers. Primers are the weakest link

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (fA1SL)

225 It is fine for her to mock hunters, they are part of the deplorable/irredeemable group that has been "dehumanized". Punch them in public, behead them even ... all for the greater (commie/dem) good.

Dr. Welner (very clear spoken) on Fox worked on the Aurora batman shooter case, and directly blames the dehumanizing effect perpetrated by the networks. I think that is exactly the MFM intent (at the upper echelon of the schemer club at least) ... he doesn't go that far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR3pUACfuA

Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (yKAUL)

226 But I thought he was on Valium?

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 01:08 PM (aT+Bx)

Valium is one of those drugs where I just assume if you have been prescribed it, your doctor is a quack, and you're abusing it.

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Problem isn't so much being on them, it's stopping them cold turkey after having used them for a while. Withdrawal symptoms from these things are no joke.

Posted by: Johnny Pedantic at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (6OESk)

227 Someone posted on Twitter a link to an article: "THe NRA donated $3 million to congress since 1999, here's who they gave to"

I was thinking: 3 mill? In 18 years?

That's it?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (TZPec)

228 I'm an infant trapped in a child's body.

Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (Tyii7)

229 One thing a real reporter would investigate regarding suppressors is how many veterans receive a disability due to loss of hearing.

Its hard to believe but guns and bombs are indeed very loud.

Personally I don't support the "lets legalize suppressors" push. It seems like a pretty minor need when even basic ear protection is good enough for hunters. Suppressors have a secondary effect of making it more difficult to spot where the bang came from which isn't helpful for law enforcement or people seeking cover.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:11 PM (TZPec)

Hunting with earplugs in sucks, cant hear anything.

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (M+Lyo)

230 Machine guns -- weapons that fire multiple shot with one pull of the trigger -- have been technically illegal since the mid-1980s.

Do I need to read further or just stop at the idiotic first sentence?

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (60v4h)

231 The advantage to passing a useless bill with bullshit about bump stocks and so forth is that it normalizes Trump's presidency and forces the Dems to work with him. Watch them squirm and moan if something like that goes forward.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (q177U)

232
Not exactly, they make some noise from wind friction, tires on the road, suspension, etc.

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Yes, I realized my post re:silencers!!! was too subtle after I hit post.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (UUvSq)

233 180 Best part? We might see bump stocks banned, but it will likely be secondary to requirements that guns be somehow manufactured so that they can only shoot a round every second or some other arbitrary rate.

And your smart gun has to be connected to the internet before it will fire. And updates are mandatory; it'll be running Windows 10.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (sGtp+)

234 How often are legal suppressors used in a crime?
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We'll never know because SILENCERS allow criminals to get away with crimes.

Posted by: Hillary! at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (iNxIp)

235 and yet every military in the world retains full auto capability.

I think I'll go with THEIR opinion.
Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (NgKpN)

Well, except the US military and the M4 but ok

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (wmaTe)

236 Unless he also had a full auto converted AR 15 in the room, he used at least one of the bump stock weapons.

I guess what I mean is, how good, how trained must you be to be able to hit a (admittedly large) target with twelve different sighted-in bump-stocks? He had to train somewhere.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (Sv2/X)

237 220 154 Sounds like the MN rep who married her brother while married to someone else. Diversity!

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (MIKMs)

Married her brother?! I'm pretty sure that's illegal....but at this point, who knows.
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (Enq6K)

If widespread, this would explain a lot about MN.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (SRKgf)

The Lannisters were the earliest settlers to Minnesota.

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (7HtZB)

238 "So why are we even talking about silencers? Was one even used in this shooting?"

You don't understand liberal-land. If something bad happens, you have to be seen to be doing something, even if it's pointless and/or would not have prevented the bad thing happening in the first place.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 01:16 PM (SRKgf)

239 It's been alleged by the LVPD the shooter rented condos overlooking the Life is Beautiful festival, which featured rap groups.

Imagine how different the media narratives would be had he chosen that as his s target.

These MSM people are despicable.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 01:16 PM (NMCva)

240 The question is why do it? Full auto is not that useful of a tactic.

This is where "gun culture" I think needs to stop and listen to itself.

These arguments that they aren't useful and who needs them and they make you less argument and no one would want them anyway...are being put with arguments that you can't possibly ban them because I want one!

This is disjoint. Clearly the shooter in Vegas wanted one. He wanted a dozen. And that they were not good for accuracy seems to have played no part in his decision to acquire them. The only think they seem to be good for is mowing down people in a large crowd!

Now, in the shadow of Vegas, go make the case that this is sancrosanct.

I am not suggesting that bump stocks should be given up as sacrificial lambs to appease the Left. I am suggesting that the rhetoric on the "for" side needs to be better.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 01:16 PM (I3yVB)

241 It's like this. If I'm a liberal, and something happens that upsets both of us equally, you have to give me something I've been wanting for a long time, because your submission to me is reassuring. If you refuse, this is upsetting to me and makes me feel that everything is spinning out of control.

That reads exactly right. 100%. The ratchet only goes one way and every single instance is a chance to push it again.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:16 PM (TZPec)

242 My point is: ANYTHING that the bullet travels down before exiting the weapon can be considered a Suppressor.

Because it is "containing" some degree of noise.

Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at October 04, 2017 01:01 PM (AmGHy)

If you had a long enough barrel, the gases will have basically stopped expanding before the bullet exits the muzzle. I seem to remember reading about professional hunters hired to cull deer in New York parks using shotguns with 7-foot barrels. Anyone else remember this?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 01:16 PM (O848g)

243 "AF1 has landed in Vegas"

Hope Trump's Secret Service has their silencers attached.

Posted by: Rex B at October 04, 2017 01:17 PM (fScfV)

244 178 You know how many pedestrians are mowed down by fully suppressed automobiles? We probably need to have a national discussion about outlawing suppression of car engines. And also we let anybody go buy a full auto-mobile? These things are dangerous and kill 40,000 people per year. We need to restrict them to semiautomobiles at least.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:07 PM (BoMuO)

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a hit team has been dispatched to your location

Posted by: Midas at October 04, 2017 01:17 PM (oGRue)

245 'll put my flame suit on, and say this as someone that owns like 40+ guns. I'm not going to flip out if they "ban" bump stocks.

You can not concede ANY ground to a leftist without a fight.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:17 PM (BoMuO)

246 It's been alleged by the LVPD the shooter rented condos overlooking the Life is Beautiful festival, which featured rap groups.

Attempted to. It was also reported that he either 1) chickened out or 2) couldn't get the rooms he wanted, so abandoned the idea.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 01:17 PM (I3yVB)

247 146 Look, everyone - I found a picture of Vic at the firing range:

http://tinyurl.com/yb4yz4oh

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2017 01:02 PM (X6fMO)

There is a pic out there of me standing next to my car after just coming back from the range with my hardware on. I have a link but it is on the old computer. I'll have to find it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:18 PM (mpXpK)

248 Personally I don't support the "lets legalize suppressors" push. It seems like a pretty minor need when even basic ear protection is good enough for hunters. Suppressors have a secondary effect of making it more difficult to spot where the bang came from which isn't helpful for law enforcement or people seeking cover.

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I support it because it's a LOT easier to get a kid or wife interested when the .22 is just mechanical noise and not a sharp crack. I'd imagine it's similarly useful when moving up to larger rounds.

I'd love to hear the difference in .270 and 7mm with a quality suppressor. Those are about the worst to my ears.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:18 PM (UUvSq)

249 Do I need to read further or just stop at the idiotic first sentence?
Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (60v4h)

Oh at least get to the part about how gun laws are sooooooooo complicated and the people who do understand them often won't speak on record.

Also, and this bears repeating, automatic rounds.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:18 PM (mf5HN)

250 white guys and their silencers, amirite?

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 04, 2017 01:19 PM (XhN8Z)

251 It's like this. If I'm a liberal, and something happens that upsets both
of us equally, you have to give me something I've been wanting for a
long time, because your submission to me is reassuring. If you refuse,
this is upsetting to me and makes me feel that everything is spinning
out of control.

(I said if. This is the only way the liberal response makes sense to me.)
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Pretty sure this statement works for the mentally ill as well. Both functional (liberals) and non-functional (MSM, Dem politicians.)

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 01:19 PM (aT+Bx)

252 They hate what they don't understand. Which is, interestingly, a taunt they use all the time. Projection is not just a river in Egypt.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at October 04, 2017 01:19 PM (RD7QR)

253 Valium is one of those drugs where I just assume if you have been prescribed it, your doctor is a quack, and you're abusing it.

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This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Hillary! at October 04, 2017 01:19 PM (vg8iE)

254 I was surprised when ATF allowed bumpstocks myself. The had gone after guys with rubber bands before or guys with malfunctioning guns that ran away in a auto mode.

I would expect double mode triggers to get the yank, too.

Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2017 01:19 PM (8CsrR)

255 Well, except the US military and the M4 but ok
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (wmaTe)

Yes, because the M-4 is the ONLY weapon the US military uses....

/facepalm

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (NgKpN)

256 222 Burst mode has its uses for cover fire, but again -- you're basically just making noise at that point, it is not a tactical advantage to have a gun that shoots out all 30 rounds with one trigger pull.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (wmaTe)

and yet every military in the world retains full auto capability.

I think I'll go with THEIR opinion.
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Outside of a few militaries, which ones have seen the most combat? Yes, we have full auto. They are normally machineguns. Most individual weapons (not all) are semi auto or offer a 3-round burst selection (exception is sub-machine guns - notice a trend in naming yet?). Close combat is an area where individual weapons with full auto are desired. This is particularly true of urban environments. That being said, full auto requires an enormous amount of personal fire discipline or you will find every man in your unit shot his wad in a mad moment and the entire unit goes silent while trying to reload.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (YV+SU)

257 The popping of corks gave me wet brain.

Posted by: Hillary 2020! at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (bc2Lc)

258 222 Burst mode has its uses for cover fire, but again -- you're basically just making noise at that point, it is not a tactical advantage to have a gun that shoots out all 30 rounds with one trigger pull.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (wmaTe)

and yet every military in the world retains full auto capability.

I think I'll go with THEIR opinion.
Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (NgKpN)

Harry is right - the US military went through some serious doctrine experimentation when the repeating rifle was made practical. The focus up until then had been on individual marksmanship, which gradually but inexorably went to firepower volume and suppressing fire. In Vietnam the results were less than optimal and TRADOC started looking at going the other way.

Select fire has its uses, but at the squad level it is impractical and generally ineffective to have every single fire team member do a spray and pray. You have a SAW for covering fire, and the other members of the team can use semi auto or three round bursts to greater impact.

My opinion as I see the way Army doctrine has been moving back and forth over the years.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (PFy0L)

259 It's like this. If I'm a liberal, and something happens that upsets both of us equally, you have to give me something I've been wanting for a long time, because your submission to me is reassuring. If you refuse, this is upsetting to me and makes me feel that everything is spinning out of control.

It's like toddlers getting upset and bawling and so their mommies give them their blankets or a cookie to calm them down and make them happy again.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Culture Producer at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (S416i)

260 Someone should market a Stephanie Ruhle Bobblehead doll, complete with hands over ears.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (/qEW2)

261 Hunting with earplugs in sucks, cant hear anything.

There's no suppressor on earth good enough to allow you to go without ear protection with a deer rifle. Its still loud as hell, especially when you've been super quiet and listening hard all day.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (TZPec)

262 I'll put my flame suit on, and say this as someone that owns like 40+ guns. I'm not going to flip out if they "ban" bump stocks.

---

The problem being that, next year, someone with one pistol and one rifle who enjoyed wasting money with their bump stock will say:

"I'm not going to flip out if they limit gun ownership to 10 or fewer."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (UUvSq)

263 Yes, and that makes it dangerous for blind pedistrians who can't hear them. What this country needs are electric vehicles that sound like Harley Davidson hogs so people can hear them coming.

That is why guns have to be loud, to protect blind pedestrians who otherwise might wander onto a shooting range.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 04, 2017 01:10 PM (m9X4Y)

Makes sense, about the poor blind pedestrians.

However, instead of making these sound like motorcycles (which might cause those blind pedestrians to misjudge distance, because those electric cars can only go... what, about 9 MPH?), have them continuously blast a loudspeaker sound that repeats the phrase "STUPID UGLY DOUCHEBAG-DRIVEN CRAPPY ELECTRIC CAR COMING," over and over and over, everywhere they go.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (TOk1P)

264 One of the videos of apparent gunfire from a lower floor of the casino. Some of the links from yesterday have disappeared for some reason.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ydg7ze47

Posted by: Methos at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (XQvuQ)

265 I guess what I mean is, how good, how trained must you be to be able to hit a (admittedly large) target with twelve different sighted-in bump-stocks? He had to train somewhere.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (Sv2/X)

I don't think it takes any training it all. Get behind the rifle on a bipod and pull the trigger.

Doesn't take a lot of training to dump a mag. I don't know that he did a lot of aiming. Big crowd.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (I3yVB)

266
With all the forethought and money this psychopath put into his plan wouldn't you have to assume if silencers really made a weapon more lethal he would've had them on his weapons

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (lKyWE)

267 It's already been compromised upon beyond the point where I'm comfortable pretending congress has anywhere near the kind of authority they've claimed over something protected by the bill of rights.

Background checks, FFL's, automatic weapon bans, certain ammo bans, all kinds of state restrictions like conceal carry permits, etc. etc.

Imagine if the 1st amendment was this "compromised" on. We'd say "well, shit, it's meaningless at this point."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (wmaTe)

++++

The real problem is that many Americans are ignorant about the intent of the 2nd amendment. It was not put in our constitution to protect hunting or competitive target shooting or even personal protection. Those are all wonderful benefits of the right, but they aren't the primary purpose.

The framers wanted to preserve the citizenry as the rulers of this country. When it comes to the defense of the republic, the defenders were to be drawn from the citizens, who would be bringing their own weapons. This would also prevent the government from using the military to rule over the citizens.

Therefore, any legislation that bans citizens from owning any weapons that are available to the military violates the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (FUu/Z)

268 It's like this. If I'm a liberal, and something happens that upsets both
of us equally, you have to give me something I've been wanting for a
long time, because your submission to me is reassuring. If you refuse,
this is upsetting to me and makes me feel that everything is spinning
out of control.

======

Interchange "liberal" with "child" and it maintains its meaning.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (vg8iE)

269 alex i called his sock a really nasty name . i don'y usually call people names atthat level, i use ass or jerk. So i've been having nightmares about being a bar hoppy . lol
anyway Burt is a good guy i just lost my mind.

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (FKrah)

270 169 Yes. President Hillary said that if people has been able to HEAR the gunshots they could have gotten away.

Actually, she said if they *hadn't* been able to hear the shots he'd have killed more. Therefore suppressors should be banned before anyone takes her advice and goes copycat+suppressor.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (sGtp+)

271 Vic and his Maverick

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=338342

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (60v4h)

272 Horde, I need your help.

What are automatic rounds?
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM

Alex, I think you know perfectly well this is completely bogus, and you're just tossing some surplus red meat left over from feeding your breeding stock to The Horde.

It is time to have that difficult dialog. Weapons are bad and icky. We need to get rid of them.

I'm going to step up here, on behalf of our Texas Morons. We are willing to rehome them, and save our fellow non-Texan Morons from this terrible scourge. They will be allowed to live out their natural existences here, safe from progressive and Democrat hysteria.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (ctuyM)

273 Isn' that kind of like making fun of people who want birth control and abortions and all that, by saying they shouldn't engage in sexual activity?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - nah gah dah, wouldn't be wise, wouldn't be prudent at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (hyZqB)

274 Ball-gags are legal noise suppressors, Ms. Ruhle. I got you one in pink. Also, bend over.

Posted by: Zod at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (Bdeb0)

275
Has Dimmy Kimmel weighed in on silencers yet? Because I think that all national policy should be based on what that sooper genius says. But only if he does the fake holding back tears routine because that makes it reeeeeally convincing.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 01:22 PM (493sH)

276 I won't give the anti's anything as a sacrificial lamb. Because their goal is to neuter the Aecond Amendment, period full stop. It's. It about gun control, it's about confiscation.

The minute you provide any of what they are currently ask for the next minute they will use is as justification for more takings.

"Well, you agreed with "X", so taking "this" is similar and better. "

I am not about to give a bunch of autocrats and despots a hill to build on.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 01:22 PM (NMCva)

277 Um, hello, Hillary told us to go after silencers, so we're going after silencers.

No, we have no idea why. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 04, 2017 01:22 PM (XhN8Z)

278 The supressor/silencer conversation is stupid considering this is all because Hillary mentioned it and had zero to do with Vegas.

But I will say from a political point of view, it would be incredibly stupid for Congress to push forward right now with any law that make them "easier" to purchase or lowered barriers.

That's a conversation we have like a few years from the worst mass shooting in US history. Unless you just want to see it go down and conservatives/NRA to take a massive PR hit.

If I was a Democrat, I'd be jumping up and down if Congress went forward with anything regarding loosening silencer restrictions.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 01:23 PM (G/kZc)

279 Some of the links from yesterday have disappeared for some reason.

Let's see, where's my Wednesday afternoon shocked face? It was here a minute ago...

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 04, 2017 01:23 PM (Tyii7)

280 Miley, it is.

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:23 PM (FKrah)

281 With all the forethought and money this psychopath put into his plan
wouldn't you have to assume if silencers really made a weapon more
lethal he would've had them on his weapons
---

There was a concert going on at the beginning. Probably at least 100db.

Would we really NEED to make the gun quiet?

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 01:23 PM (aT+Bx)

282 I feel dumber having read the report and watching that video, alex. So...thanks?

Posted by: no good deed at October 04, 2017 01:23 PM (eIQHF)

283 >What are automatic rounds? Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM

"Automatic rounds" are fat chicks born of fat mothers--'being big-boned' was just in the cards for them. "Manual rounds" are chicks that would otherwise have been slender, but #thefork.

Posted by: Zod at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)

284 I'll put my flame suit on, and say this as someone that owns like 40+ guns. I'm not going to flip out if they "ban" bump stocks.

While in theory I agree, it means nothing to me, my problem is that the left has been "compromising" on everything in their direction for the last 50 years without ever giving anything. Every single decision helps them. Every single new regulation or law moves the needle in their direction.

No more. Not even one step, not even something seemingly rational. Never another without a fight. You've had too many wins in a row without ever giving anything up. And it always goes wrong.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (TZPec)

285 if Burt is around , i'm sorry for totally going off .
Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:03 PM (FKrah)

Wait, wait, what?

STOP DOING INTERESTING THINGS WHILE I AM TRYING TO WORK AT WORK, HORDE!

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand!

This isn't today's issue. I think Monday, BurtTC under a sock made a comment about the shooting that was kind of pushing the line, though it was intended as /sarc. A few people including willow took him to task at first, but once it was all explained I thought the issue was resolved. Not sure if it resurfaced at some point.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (/qEW2)

No, nothing since.

This is just Willow being a dear sweet person about it. Which of course surprises none of us.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (TOk1P)

286 I guess what I mean is, how good, how trained must you be to be able to hit a (admittedly large) target with twelve different sighted-in bump-stocks? He had to train somewhere.

How hard?
When you have 22 THOUSAND targets milling around like cows in a feed lot? Not hard.

Point, pull the trigger, and let physics and gravity take over. You WILL hit something.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (ECUyd)

287 Propose that any limits to the 2nd have to be tied to similar limits to the first. Ban bump stocks? Fine. No more re-tweeting. You need to press "send" or "share" or whatever to send that cat picture to each of your friends.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (UUvSq)

288 No one needs more than three weapons.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (60v4h)

289 Occasionally they have a "full auto shoot" at a local range. They raise money for some charity or another by selling trigger time with a variety of "machine guns." Prices vary.

I have squeezed off a 20 round mag in a M-4 in what seemed like the blink of an eye and hit nothing aimed at down range.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (jAZR9)

290 Seriously, this is low hanging fruit.

It's MSNBC. What exactly is the expectation level here?

Journolists are transparently phony, unfunny propagandist hacks. Water is wet. The sky is blue.

It's just another day that ends with Y inside the progessive bubble. It's funny at first but then it gets boring after awhile. Like going to the zoo to look at the monkeys every day.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (UfYsr)

291 264 One of the videos of apparent gunfire from a lower floor of the casino. Some of the links from yesterday have disappeared for some reason.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ydg7ze47

Posted by: Methos at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (XQvuQ)

No window broken on that floor so I'm not sure what that flickering is in the video but it could have been a reflection of the actual gun fire. Don't even know if where they pointed their phone video was the correct side of the Mandalay hote.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (Enq6K)

292 245
You can not concede ANY ground to a leftist without a fight.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:17 PM (BoMuO)

And of course, sometimes the Left can pounce on that and take a massive advantage over it (eg : Todd Akin)

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (CMbMd)

293 Fewer people may have died if the LVPD or casinos' security had a better plan.

It blows my mind. There are videos of people in the crowd pointing at the gunman. Right? There's a fucking big pointy finger in the sky showing right where the goddamned guy is.

So, it took an hour to confront him?

1. I thought casinos were semi-mobbed up or had real wet-work guys from the old days?
2. I thought SWAT teams had guys who could shoot guns good.

Maybe between the two, someone could've unpacked a fucking rifle with a scope and shot the guy within the first, let's be generous 15 minutes, of the slaughter?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (XhN8Z)

294 Hey Stephanie, today is National Taco Day. Fish tacos in your case.

Posted by: wth at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (HgMAr)

295 Alex, I think you know perfectly well this is completely bogus, and you're just tossing some surplus red meat left over from feeding your breeding stock to The Horde.

*blinks innocently*

Why, that doesn't sound like me at all!

It is time to have that difficult dialog. Weapons are bad and icky. We need to get rid of them.

I'm going to step up here, on behalf of our Texas Morons. We are willing to rehome them, and save our fellow non-Texan Morons from this terrible scourge. They will be allowed to live out their natural existences here, safe from progressive and Democrat hysteria.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (ctuyM)

So noble. Much nobility. Nobility all over the place.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (mf5HN)

296 "The only think they seem to be good for is mowing down people in a large crowd!"

And looking awesome as you empty that magazine to a heavy metal guitar solo.

*finishes doing air guitar with the AR-15, smoke curling out of the barrel*

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout! at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (hLRSq)

297 The noise of the gun going off surely contributed to the panic--but wouldn't the sight of people being dropped by rounds have had the same effect?

Clinton's 'logic' makes no sense to me--he wouldn't have managed to kill any more people if they hadn't heard the gun; they'd have started screaming and running at the sight of soundless carnage anyway.

Posted by: Zod at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (Bdeb0)

298 The real problem is that many Americans are ignorant about the intent of the 2nd amendment. It was not put in our constitution to protect hunting or competitive target shooting or even personal protection. Those are all wonderful benefits of the right, but they aren't the primary purpose.

The framers wanted to preserve the citizenry as the rulers of this country. When it comes to the defense of the republic, the defenders were to be drawn from the citizens, who would be bringing their own weapons. This would also prevent the government from using the military to rule over the citizens.

Therefore, any legislation that bans citizens from owning any weapons that are available to the military violates the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 01:20 PM (FUu/Z)

This ^^

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (M+Lyo)

299 Because Felonia von Pantsuit - as the bodies were still falling - ran her fucking mouth on Twitter about silencers.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at October 04, 2017 12:56 PM (jWe5r)

In the alternate universe that is Hillary's life, she is president and her tweets matter.

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (2NqXo)

300 Therefore, any legislation that bans citizens from owning any weapons that are available to the military violates the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

______

I would agree, but if our side made that argument and pushed those sorts os policies, it would lose the public at large.

I truly think the Founders would have wanted private citizens to have things like fully automatic Browning 50 caliber machine guns in order to be a check on the government.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (G/kZc)

301 Electric cars should yell SELF RIGHTEOUS DOUCHEBAG over and over as they drive. To warn pedestrians and small animals. Anything large than a cat will wreck the thing anyway.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (TZPec)

302 You can not concede ANY ground to a leftist without a fight.

********

um, no...we need to head this off now, lest we lose the 2016 election.

Posted by: Bitch McLoser - Sen Maj Ldr at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (XhN8Z)

303 Hunting with earplugs in sucks, cant hear anything.

they do make headphones that amplify sound so you have super hearing, but then cancel out the gunshot sound. When the noise goes above a certain db level it cuts off the speaker. Yes you have to have batteries for the speakers to work. No you don't need to batteries to work to muffle the sound, the head phones do that passively.

The biggest drawback is that on a hot day after a while your ears will sweat. Also you need to carry spare batteries in case you run out of juice.

That said, we should be allowed silencers. The criminals will have them any way.

Seriously, heroine is illegal and I can walk out the front door of this building and in a five minute walk buy enough to kill me. This lawmaking stuff caters to the OCD social hygiene mentality. You'll never have enough laws to make the world a safe place. You'll never be able to abort enough babies to have a perfect society, free of crime, illness and defects. You'll never be able to kill enough republicans at a country music concert to make paradise come true.

* A Prog Rubs its Claws together*

Prog: We'd like to try.

Posted by: simplemind at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (yMRqs)

304 From 1000 feet away, it seems an odd choice.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:04 PM (tIhIY)

Was he even "aiming" as we understand it? He was just spraying the crowd.

Spread some honey on a sheet of plywood. Prop it up on a tree near an ant hill. Step back 100 yards. Shoot at it. If you put enough rounds through the plywood, you're going to kill some ants.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (O848g)

305 Slide Fire bump stocks don't even have a spring. If it had a spring it would be an assist device and BATFE would have put the kibosh on it already. Its just a piece of plastic. That's it.

I have one. Its a silly piece of fun when you want to blow off loads of ammo without actually aiming. Its in a box somewhere with a bunch of other gun parts that no longer have use. Binary triggers are more fun, and you can actually aim.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (O9qtX)

306
If you had a long enough barrel...

Exactly! Therefore all barrels are "suppressors," hence illegal!

Posted by: Mike Lindell at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (AmGHy)

307 is it true, the chick was sent off and she knew about the plans to shoot people?

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:27 PM (FKrah)

308 This is just Willow being a dear sweet person about it. Which of course surprises none of us.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (TOk1P)

You can't discount the possibility she may just be high.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 01:27 PM (I3yVB)

309
224 206. Primers. Primers are the weakest link
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 01:14 PM (fA1SL)

Primers can actually be reloaded with the white chemical crap from the tips of strike-anywhere matches. It's a tedious, fiddly process, but it works.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reloading+primers+with+matches

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2017 01:28 PM (eXA4G)

310 eslas, Bolts, etc. (and Priuseseses up to certain speeds) are completely silent, aren't they? /i]

Not exactly, they make some noise from wind friction, tires on the road, suspension, etc. There is some engine noise as well, electric motors are not soundless, just much quiter than a continuous series of controlled explosions.

They're just a lot quieter than an ordinary car and in normal traffic you won't hear any of those sounds.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM (TZPec)

so quiet it is really nice

we have at least 4 electric vehicles in our immediate neighborhood and you cannot hear them coming or going, especially when moving slow

if running over gravel or a bunch of fallen leaves, you can hear them - or if the stereo is loud

children will never notice them

we just bought a Prius Prime - with all of the fancy techie stuff. It's like driving a comic book car. Very fun. Loads of AI (which no doubt we'll have issues with later on) but my husband has not bought gas since we bought it - months ago. Electric power is cheap where I live and gas is 4 times what you pay in the states, so it was a financially sound purchase. And we couldn't be the government subsidy.

I know. Now, I'm a liberal. No, we are techies (gamers for life) who are fiscally conservative. Plus, I like fun toys. The Prime just came out recently and it is very fun to drive. Only complaint is it is too low to the ground.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:28 PM (fceHP)

311 Here is the link from 2013, me, my piece, and my car. Remember, do not post

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/338342.php#338342

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:28 PM (mpXpK)

312
Burt put a whoopie cushion under willow.

Willow got embarrassed and pissed off.

Posted by: Mike Lindell at October 04, 2017 01:28 PM (AmGHy)

313 The noise of the gun going off surely contributed to the panic--but wouldn't the sight of people being dropped by rounds have had the same effect?

Clinton's 'logic' makes no sense to me--he wouldn't have managed to kill any more people if they hadn't heard the gun; they'd have started screaming and running at the sight of soundless carnage anyway.
========

As someone who has dodged sniper fire for her country, I say we should give Hillary the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at October 04, 2017 01:28 PM (vg8iE)

314 You can't discount the possibility she may just be high.
======

No. No you can't.

Posted by: Pot at October 04, 2017 01:29 PM (vg8iE)

315 If you have ever been downrange and actually fired at, you would realize that the sound of gunfire isn't what your concerned about and isn't the major indicative.

5.56 Bullets travel faster than sound. It's when someone gets shot, you hear the ricochet or the unmistakable sound a round makes when fired at you, one goes into reaction mode. Gunfire is notoriously hard to locate directionally, especially when shot from a distance. See the LVPD body cam footage as one example. After minutes of shooting they are still trying to locate the direction.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 01:29 PM (NMCva)

316 Suppressor wrapped in bacon + 500 rounds = tactical bacon.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at October 04, 2017 01:29 PM (jAZR9)

317
I'll put my flame suit on, and say this as someone that owns like 40+
guns. I'm not going to flip out if they "ban" bump stocks.

While in theory I agree, it means nothing to me, my problem is that
the left has been "compromising" on everything in their direction for
the last 50 years without ever giving anything. Every single decision
helps them. Every single new regulation or law moves the needle in
their direction.
No more. Not even one step, not even something seemingly rational.
Never another without a fight. You've had too many wins in a row
without ever giving anything up. And it always goes wrong.
=====
No more compromises. I'll put my own flame suit on and say this as someone who does not own a gun and will never own a gun. Nobody is going to restrict my rights but me.

Our rights are absolute or they are not.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 01:29 PM (MIKMs)

318
Electric power is cheap where I live and gas is 4 times what you pay in the states,

Donde vives? Bermuda??

Posted by: Mike Lindell at October 04, 2017 01:29 PM (AmGHy)

319 Isn't it amazing, how they all take their cues from the Queen Bitch Hillary?

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 01:30 PM (/9uFC)

320 someone with one pistol and one rifle who enjoyed wasting money with their bump stock will say:

"I'm not going to flip out if they limit gun ownership to 10 or fewer."

Well, Ted, I'm a big supporter of the Constitution, but I don't own any guns so I'm not going to flip out if they ban gun ownership.

Posted by: Concerned Conservative (this is a sock, by the way!) at October 04, 2017 01:30 PM (pszv/)

321 Be vewy, vewy quiet.

http://tinyurl.com/y9cm4r4y

Posted by: Al Gore at October 04, 2017 01:30 PM (lIZQs)

322 Therefore, any legislation that bans citizens from owning any weapons that are available to the military violates the 2nd amendment.

I have a different perspective on this, and it comes from Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the US Constitution. That's where congress is able to issue letters of marque and reprisal.

These allow a ship to cruise for enemy vessels privately, as a "privateer." They are essentially pirates, working for a specific state, against another specific state or set of states. Like someone cruising against, say, Germans in WW2 with their own yacht.

Privateers were allowed full military capacity and behavior: cannons, swivels, everything. Today that would be essentially a modern frigate or patrol ship, with all the same weapons as a military one.

This means that congress can, by law, allow a civilian to use and own military-class weapons, but only for specific purposes against specific enemies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:30 PM (TZPec)

323
You live on a wind farm in the middle of the Atlantic?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:30 PM (AmGHy)

324 sheesh!

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (FKrah)

325 297 The noise of the gun going off surely contributed to the panic--but wouldn't the sight of people being dropped by rounds have had the same effect?

Clinton's 'logic' makes no sense to me--he wouldn't have managed to kill any more people if they hadn't heard the gun; they'd have started screaming and running at the sight of soundless carnage anyway.

***********

I think it makes sense, and it's not the worst point Hillary's ever uttered. I haven't looked at a map of where people got killed but if he was just praying and spraying rounds...then the landing zones must be pretty scattered. Folks just randomly, dozens of feet apart start falling down in the middle of concert? Might not be a panic.

Of course, felonia von pantsuit ignores other things like the smoke alarm going off in the hotel room (of course, the LVPD did too), the flashes of light, the sonic booms from the bullets, and that they still sound like a jackhammer with the suppressor.

But what's her real point? This was a depraved heart murder spree. The guy could've plowed a truck through the crowd, released poison gas, made big booms, flew one of his planes into the crowd.

We're all vulnerable in some way. The tools aren't the issue, the issue is the bad guy. At least we can keep the muz out of our country which would cut down on this shit by 80%.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (XhN8Z)

326 Maybe between the two, someone could've unpacked a fucking rifle with a scope and shot the guy within the first, let's be generous 15 minutes, of the slaughter?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (XhN8Z)

---

I was sort of surprised there were no officers in the area with long guns. Or maybe at least surprised that I didn't hear or read about any LEOs engaging from the ground or another hotel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (UUvSq)

327 U.S.—In the wake of the worst mass shooting in the nation’s history that ended at least 59 lives and wounded over 500 others, citizens across America were forced to take a quick, hard look at the facts, and ask themselves how exactly they can bend what actually happened during the course of this ghastly tragedy so that it supports their own preferred narrative.

“When I saw what happened in Las Vegas, it was so tragic, I knew immediately that I had to find a way to twist the story so it furthered my political and social beliefs,” one local man told reporters. “We all have our differences in this country, but when a national tragedy of this magnitude takes place, we have no choice but to do whatever it takes to frame it in such a way that it pins the blame on our enemies and scores us points in internet debates with people on the other side.”

Citizens across the nation went so far as to confirm that as soon as news of the violence broke, they immediately began secretly hoping that the shooter was the type of person who would fit perfectly as one of the antagonists of their worldview, whether that be a Muslim, Christian, atheist, American, foreigner, Antifa loyalist, racist, liberal, conservative, or anarchist, as they frequently refreshed the home page of their favorite news source which is unabashedly biased and exists to support their own specific opinions.

“There’s a time for weeping with those who weep—that comes later. But immediately after an unspeakably horrific act such as this, we must look inside ourselves for the strength and courage to distort the facts about what happened, if need be, and then come together as Americans and argue as though our lives depended on it,” the man being interviewed added to reporters. “Just like we did after the last national tragedy, and just like we’ll do after the next one.”

'Merica

Posted by: Babylon Bee at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (WEFox)

328 Occasionally they have a "full auto shoot" at a local range. They raise money for some charity or another by selling trigger time with a variety of "machine guns." Prices vary.

I have squeezed off a 20 round mag in a M-4 in what seemed like the blink of an eye and hit nothing aimed at down range.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger

Look up Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (ECUyd)

329 I'll put my flame suit on, and say this as someone that owns like 40+ guns. I'm not going to flip out if they "ban" bump stocks.

The entire stupid Assault Weapons Ban was predicated on cosmetic features. It was dumb, it was stupid, and did nothing but give a talking point to lefties.

I see no reason to do a repeat performance.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (PFy0L)

330 PDT and Flotus in LV? Are the screeching harridans from the left mocking what Flotus is wearing yet?

Posted by: IC at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (a0IVu)

331 The problem with giving in on "bump stocks" which I actually could give a shit about, is that if you give the liberal commies an inch they will come back for a mile in 5 minutes.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (mpXpK)

332 In a world with CNC machines, 3D printing, the internet, etc. etc., it's ludicrous to pretend you can "BAN" a technology as simple as a firearm.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 01:06 PM (wmaTe)

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Give me two pieces of pipe with slightly different inside diameters and I can quickly fabricate an effective shotgun.

Posted by: Soona at October 04, 2017 01:32 PM (ZAAkQ)

333 You live on a wind farm in the middle of the Atlantic?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:30 PM (AmGHy)

Neil Degrasse Tyson's hurricane windmill energy capturing farm

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 01:32 PM (493sH)

334 Hunting with earplugs in sucks, cant hear anything.

they do make headphones that amplify sound so you have super hearing, but then cancel out the gunshot sound. When the noise goes above a certain db level it cuts off the speaker. Yes you have to have batteries for the speakers to work. No you don't need to batteries to work to muffle the sound, the head phones do that passively.

The biggest drawback is that on a hot day after a while your ears will sweat. Also you need to carry spare batteries in case you run out of juice.

That said, we should be allowed silencers. The criminals will have them any way.

Seriously, heroine is illegal and I can walk out the front door of this building and in a five minute walk buy enough to kill me. This lawmaking stuff caters to the OCD social hygiene mentality. You'll never have enough laws to make the world a safe place. You'll never be able to abort enough babies to have a perfect society, free of crime, illness and defects. You'll never be able to kill enough republicans at a country music concert to make paradise come true.

* A Prog Rubs its Claws together*

Prog: We'd like to try.

Posted by: simplemind at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM (yMRqs)

I have some of these, its just not the same, The wind messes with them and its hard to tell direction. They are work great for the range, but not hunting.

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 04, 2017 01:32 PM (M+Lyo)

335 Pro-tip:

You can't shoot through glass and not leave a hole.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 01:32 PM (q177U)

336 Ball-gags are legal noise suppressors, Ms. Ruhle. I got you one in pink. Also, bend over.

Posted by: Zod at October 04, 2017 01:21 PM (Bdeb0)
.............

I doubt even that would shut her up.

Posted by: wth at October 04, 2017 01:32 PM (HgMAr)

337 and no, silencers had nothing to do with Vegas, Hillary mentioned them in a Tweet I think.
Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 12:58 PM (aT+Bx)

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One tweet and the Media Legions go marching on campaign.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 04, 2017 01:32 PM (oGRue)

338 his is where we are now, with reporters doing mocking neener-neeners as part of "interviews."

obligatory

PJTV: Evan Sayet Talks About His Latest Book "The Kindergarden of Eden"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61BhYPdIlao

HERITAGE FOUNDATION: "How Modern Liberals Think"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

I'm surprised they are still on youtube, tbh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (fceHP)

339 Has Dimmy Kimmel weighed in on silencers yet? Because I think that all national policy should be based on what that sooper genius says. But only if he does the fake holding back tears routine because that makes it reeeeeally convincing.

He's a dad with a handicapped son. He just wants what is best for his child, and us. We need to listen to him.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (BoMuO)

340 I was sort of surprised there were no officers in the area with long guns. Or maybe at least surprised that I didn't hear or read about any LEOs engaging from the ground or another hotel.

From the ground up to the 32nd floor? With a Glock?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (ECUyd)

341 Liberals or Congress really don't want to try and legislate out the NFA and go for a full ban, because I would guess that today SCOTUS would find it mostly unconstitutional.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (NMCva)

342 I forget who pointed this out before: think of how many lives would have been saved in Nice, France if the truck driven by the terrorist did not have a muffler.

Does Stephanie support legalized mufflers? If Stephanie drives a car with a muffler, why is she willing to risk countless lives just because her poor widdle earsies are hurting? Serves her right if they do hurt. Instead of polluting the environment, she should be walking or biking in any case.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (/qEW2)

343 The San Juan mayor who totally isn't playing politics with the crisis from Irma wore a t-shirt bearing the word "NASTY" during an interview with Jorge Ramos. http://tinyurl.com/y822tsuc

I do agree with the shirt, just not in the way she means it.

Posted by: no good deed at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (eIQHF)

344 I still love that pic of the Mav Grabber! I had a '71 Torino, also with the 302, had a good friend who had a Maverick. It was amazing how many parts were interchangeable between those two models, both under the hood and in the interior. Well, Ford was already getting into the "save money any way we can" mode and a whole lotta stuff was used in multiple platforms.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (V2Yro)

345 Privateers were allowed full military capacity and behavior: cannons, swivels, everything. Today that would be essentially a modern frigate or patrol ship, with all the same weapons as a military one.

I'm pretty sure they were allowed to have all that even without a Letter of Marque. They just couldn't randomly attack other ships without one.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Union of Concerned Scientists at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (60v4h)

346 Seriously, this is low hanging fruit.

Leave Anderson Cooper and Shep! out of this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (SRKgf)

347
Does anyone believe kimmel is a good father, or actually spends any time with his son?

I don't.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (AmGHy)

348 The political left hates gun owners who won't join in on their commie groupthink, so they want to hurt gun owners. Whatever gun owners want, the political left means not to give them, even something as reasonable as being able to use noise reduction equipment.
"Nope!", the left says, "We couldn't care less about your hearing loss - you can go deaf as far we're concerned, because we hate you, because you refuse to join our commie groupthink!"

Posted by: Rufus at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (cYWKd)

349 The problem with giving in on "bump stocks" which I actually could give a shit about, is that if you give the liberal commies an inch they will come back for a mile in 5 minutes.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM

yep, exactly.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (m9X4Y)

350 Maybe between the two, someone could've unpacked a fucking rifle with a scope and shot the guy within the first, let's be generous 15 minutes, of the slaughter?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (XhN8Z)

Actual shooting went on for somewhere, I think I read, between 9 - 12 minutes.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (Enq6K)

351 335 Pro-tip:

You can't shoot through glass and not leave a hole.

***

the more bizarre point people made was that he may have used a hammer to break the glass.

or a gun.

so what?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (XhN8Z)

352 328>

Yes Knob Creek and every once in a while on Fort Knox.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (jAZR9)

353 You know, when we were a white/black society we were remarkably peaceful. I'm starting to think diversity isn't all its cracked up to be.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (YV+SU)

354 Kimmel is going thru menopause what with the crying every night. We need to send him some estrogen patches

Posted by: NCKate at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (mti3B)

355 He's a dad with a handicapped son. He just wants what is best for his child, and us. We need to listen to him.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (BoMuO)

Does that include the kids he had with his first wife? The ones he walked out on for Sarah Silverman

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 01:35 PM (493sH)

356 they had tank type vehicles on the strip. i believe they were preparing for more incidents. (they believed at the time) with the calls coming from mulitple hotels on the strip

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:35 PM (FKrah)

357 Did we all roll around in this woman's grief and I missed that too?

This trying to be a not terrible employee thing is awful:

http://time.com/4959757/cheryl-strayed-nasty-women-hillary-clinton

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:35 PM (mf5HN)

358 Occasionally they have a "full auto shoot" at a local range. They raise money for some charity or another by selling trigger time with a variety of "machine guns." Prices vary.

I have squeezed off a 20 round mag in a M-4 in what seemed like the blink of an eye and hit nothing aimed at down range.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at October 04, 2017 01:24 PM (jAZR9)

Back in the day, as a SAW gunner, we carried on live fire exercises, 200 round drums, and while it was generally necessary to control the burst if you were aiming at something, just letting it go was tactically sound under some circumstances.

However, when on live fire exercises, the purpose of emptying the drum was so you didn't have to carry the damn thing back with you. So it would not have in any way been the purpose to "aim" at anything.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:35 PM (TOk1P)

359 Seriously, heroine is illegal
Posted by: simplemind at October 04, 2017 01:26 PM

One things for sure, sometimes it doesn't break even, much less make a profit.

Posted by: Ghostbusters, The Remake at October 04, 2017 01:35 PM (ctuyM)

360 Knives don't need silencers. The screaming drowns out the chopping noise.

Posted by: OJ at October 04, 2017 01:35 PM (HgMAr)

361 350 Maybe between the two, someone could've unpacked a fucking rifle with a scope and shot the guy within the first, let's be generous 15 minutes, of the slaughter?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (XhN8Z)

Actual shooting went on for somewhere, I think I read, between 9 - 12 minutes.

***********

This is interesting.

So what did the guy do for the next hour until police arrived?

The police needed a better plan.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (XhN8Z)

362 The Prime just came out recently and it is very fun to drive.

Yeah, I was kinda shocked that the Prius is fun to drive in a go-cart kind of way. My lefty parents have 2 of them.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (q177U)

363 dunno if tank type vehicle is wrong. son was upset , might have been humvees etc.

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (FKrah)

364 I was sort of surprised there were no officers in the area with long guns. Or maybe at least surprised that I didn't hear or read about any LEOs engaging from the ground or another hotel.
____

My faith in law enforcement's firearms expertise has been sufficiently undermined over the years that I am not necessarily keen on the idea of them firing on a hotel from a substantial distance. I wouldn't fault them for doing so under the circumstances, but the results could be less than good.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (iys0/)

365 339 He's a dad with a handicapped son. He just wants what is best for his child, and us. We need to listen to him.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (BoMuO)

Because in the end, aren't we ALL just disabled children in need of the guiding iron fist of Dhimmi Kimmel?

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (CMbMd)

366 I watched the Vegas shooting videos. I heard the rattle of auto fire, very distinctly. Didn't everyone who bothered to even listen?
I would encourage ComPro fools to go ahead and speak loud and often about matters they know nothing about. I am convinced that it can only help us...

Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (zSVEm)

367 >>Give me two pieces of pipe with slightly different inside diameters and I can quickly fabricate an effective shotgun. Posted by: Soona at October 04, 2017 01:32 PM (ZAAkQ)

Give me a log, some convenient potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulfur, a handful of gravel, and a rapt audience on the Enterprise's bridge, and I can quickly fabricate an effective shotgun.

Posted by: Zod Tiberius Kirk at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (Bdeb0)

368

Serious question: How far away are we from medically designating Evil as a disease?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (AmGHy)

369 234 We'll never know because SILENCERS allow criminals to get away with crimes.

A reasonable proxy allowing estimation would be counting the number of pillows that suddenly show up with mysterious holes.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (v3pYe)

370 Does anyone believe kimmel is a good father, or actually spends any time with his son?

I don't.

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He does make a convenient political wedge, doesn't he?

Posted by: Doting Dad Dimmy at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (vg8iE)

371 I'd still hit both of them like they stole something.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (NrdxS)

372 I listed to the LVPD Chief speak last night. He noted that the time it took the police from notification of a shooter to dead shooter was less than 20 minutes. The hotel security guy identified the room and was shot in the leg. The cops busted in and delivered the coup de grace in less than 10 minutes from the security guy getting shot. I don't know where this 72 minutes of shooting comes from.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (YV+SU)

373 Hunters are willing to put their fellow human's lives at risk in order to allow them to indulge their perverse fetish for murdering innocent animals. Hmmm... now if there were only some way to outlaw hunting and legalize suppressors.

Posted by: PETA at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (/qEW2)

374 have we gotten any clarity on who the hispanic looking couple yelling that all were going to be killed were?

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (FKrah)

375 Maybe between the two, someone could've unpacked a fucking rifle with a scope and shot the guy within the first, let's be generous 15 minutes, of the slaughter?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (XhN8Z)

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Ive added my scoped Rem 700 .270 to my under backseat tool box.

Posted by: The Owners at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (8XRCm)

376 This is interesting.

So what did the guy do for the next hour until police arrived?

The police needed a better plan.

****

a crazy person I know pointed out to me that las vegas was hosting some sort of LEO training exercise that was going to deal with mass shootings, from high buildings.

it seems to me that someone could hafve checked the syllabus. Or update it.

Posted by: unfettered liberal at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (XhN8Z)

377
A disease that needs govt research funding, and govt subsidized relief.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (AmGHy)

378
ummmm sock

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 01:38 PM (8XRCm)

379
Does anyone believe kimmel is a good father, or actually spends any time with his son?

I don't.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (AmGHy)

Let's ask his first wife, the one that he kicked to the curb right about the time he started hitting the big time.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2017 01:38 PM (eXA4G)

380 have we gotten any clarity on who the hispanic looking couple yelling that all were going to be killed were?

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (FKrah)

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La Raza being La Raza....?

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (8XRCm)

381 74 have we gotten any clarity on who the hispanic looking couple yelling that all were going to be killed were?

***

I think that was the same arab that warned people not to go into the WTC on 9-11.

as in fictional.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (XhN8Z)

382 Kimmel is going thru menopause what with the crying every night. We need to send him some estrogen patches
Posted by: NCKate at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (mti3B)

he's lost his mind

many on the left need a vacation
they need to get out of their brainwashing bubbles, but I don't think they know how

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (fceHP)

383 335 Pro-tip:

You can't shoot through glass and not leave a hole.

***

What? You've never heard of Quantum Mechanics

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (lIZQs)

384 "I was sort of surprised there were no officers in the area with long guns. "

My personal observations are limited, but it seems like the only long guns I've seen officers have with them in the car is a shotgun, and that ain't gonna do squat against the 32nd floor either.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (V2Yro)

385 Does anyone really expect adult behavior from the network of SNL, Will and Grace, Seth Myers, Bob Costas, and NBC News?

And they wonder why people are cutting the cord.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (1JnAL)

386
Heh - Rush refers to Chris Cuomo as "Fredo" Cuomo.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (pNxlR)

387 And of course, sometimes the Left can pounce on that and take a massive advantage over it (eg : Todd Akin)
Posted by: Hikaru

No. Akin was an idiot that botched a radio interview. Which was pounced upon. It wasn't because he wouldn't concede; it was because he wouldn't think.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 01:40 PM (326rv)

388

Haven't heard from Jon Stewart in a while. He did so much damage, and now Kimmel has taken over the mantle.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:40 PM (fceHP)

389 fixerupper, no idea. but it sure would be nice to know if they were in on the plan.

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:40 PM (FKrah)

390 372 I listed to the LVPD Chief speak last night. He noted that the time it took the police from notification of a shooter to dead shooter was less than 20 minutes. The hotel security guy identified the room and was shot in the leg. The cops busted in and delivered the coup de grace in less than 10 minutes from the security guy getting shot. I don't know where this 72 minutes of shooting comes from.

*********

These are better numbers.

the 72 minutes number is apparently from start to finish.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:40 PM (XhN8Z)

391 Kimmel is going thru menopause what with the crying every night. We need to send him some estrogen patches

Posted by: NCKate at October 04, 2017 01:34 PM (mti3B)
...............

What a hilarious routine.

Posted by: wth at October 04, 2017 01:40 PM (HgMAr)

392 PDT and Flotus in LV? Are the screeching harridans from the left mocking what Flotus is wearing yet?

Posted by: IC at October 04, 2017 01:31 PM (a0IVu)

Actually, she was wearing a very conservative black dress and heels. Took her sunglasses off prior to being introduced to the Sheriff, etc.

Posted by: Infidel at October 04, 2017 01:40 PM (w25zc)

393 >>>the more bizarre point people made was that he may have used a hammer to break the glass.
or a gun.
so what?

So there is probably just one shooter.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 01:41 PM (q177U)

394 dunno Bob, a few witnesses to that

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 01:41 PM (FKrah)

395 I don't know where this 72 minutes of shooting comes from.

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visits to the mound and commercial breaks

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 04, 2017 01:41 PM (oGRue)

396
Incidentally, I've been having car trouble lately so I've had the chance to use Uber/Lyft.

These people make good $$.

I wouldn't do it, but it's a good way to make "good money" in a pinch.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:41 PM (AmGHy)

397 And they wonder why people are cutting the cord.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (1JnAL)

this might just save America

with the saturation of propaganda - which I believe is purposeful on the left - it might have been tipped too far and people are just shutting off the noise

the best thing that could happen

go outside
build something

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (fceHP)

398
Once - and only once, thank Tengri - I had to fire a pistol indoors with
no hearing protection. This was over two years ago. I still notice loss
of hearing and a little residual tinnitus. I can't imagine what the men
in combat must be up against.
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"But in the movies, they shoot guns indoors all the time no problem!!!!!"

Gawd, people are so stupid.

Your car would sound like a drag racer if it had no muffler.

You wouldn't be able to stand next to for very long it if it didn't and you sure as hell couldn't carry on a conversation while driving.

A suppressor is not even a muffler; it's like a glasspack--and those barely reduce the noise.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (/9uFC)

399
Members of the MSM are afflicted by "tampon ears" ... and only YOU can help!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (pNxlR)

400
That expression "makes good money" always cracks me up.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (AmGHy)

401 Let's ask his first wife, the one that he kicked to the curb right about the time he started hitting the big time.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2017 01:38 PM (eXA4G)

Odd how no one ever asks St. Dimmy's about his wife and kids he walked out on. You'd think wymyn would be rather upset about some rotten white man who would do that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (493sH)

402
384 "I was sort of surprised there were no officers in the area with long guns. "

My personal observations are limited, but it seems like the only long guns I've seen officers have with them in the car is a shotgun, and that ain't gonna do squat against the 32nd floor either.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (V2Yro)

M4s in patrol cars are becoming quite common (generally in the trunk to avoid scaring the shit out of lefty soccer moms).

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (eXA4G)

403 Serious question: How far away are we from medically designating Evil as a disease?

Even more serious question: How far away are we from having the AMA medically designate Opposition to the State as a disease? One which must be aggressively treated, with immediate intervention and extreme prejudice?

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (V2Yro)

404 I rode in a Prius once. That stupid tree was the most pretentious thing I've ever seen in a car. Now modern cars are packed with all this fancy crap like its a Star Trek console that is utterly pointless. Most of its touch screen which is colossally idiotic in a car.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (TZPec)

405 Does anyone really expect adult behavior from the network of SNL, Will and Grace, Seth Myers, Bob Costas, and NBC News?

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The entire premise of the "new" Will & Grace is Trump/Republican hate. The whole thing. Redecorating the Oval Office with the whole disgusting bunch relocating to DC?

They think this shit sells?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (vg8iE)

406 The police needed a better plan.

Hard to plan for first-time-in-history events.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (YXJ+5)

407 So I guess I need an update, horde, shooting was ... 10 minutes???. 72 minutes???... shooter killed himself???... killed by LEOs???... shooter had 10 guns??? ... 20 guns???...

Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (zSVEm)

408
many on the left need a vacation
they need to get out of their brainwashing bubbles, but I don't think they know how

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (fceHP)

Buy a plane ticket. Go to Europe. Stay for seven or eight years.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (BWL+E)

409 I was sort of surprised there were no officers in
the area with long guns. Or maybe at least surprised that I didn't hear
or read about any LEOs engaging from the ground or another hotel.

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From the ground up to the 32nd floor? With a Glock?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (ECUyd)

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Bolded for easier readability.

Engaging from another hotel ideally, but I'm guessing a long gun from the ground would at least discourage a bad guy from poking his head out of the window to look around.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (rjrh3)

410 The fact these nattering heads think gun control would have prevented this are wholly uninformed about reality.

Chciago is right here in our country to examine, but facts do not matter to these people. It's all emotion. I don't even watch b/c I know the nonsense I'll hear.

If Kimmel is truly crying every night, maybe people will get he is unglued. As someone who used to watch his show, his crying is not a new thing. He's been doing it since the beginning. The danger with him, and I have not watched, is that he has a genius IQ, is likeable, and has a platform.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla gooberville watcher at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (WEFox)

411 The "entertainers" are so obsessed with left wing politics and Trump hate that they can only possibly entertain the people who are similarly obsessed.Pretty selective audience.

Posted by: steevy at October 04, 2017 01:43 PM (rmVvL)

412 It's looks like ZH has gone full "grassy knoll" retard. They are showing a video which is of the wrong building reflecting a light. 0_O

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 01:43 PM (NMCva)

413 When I was in college in the 90's, a pro-gun control friend always loved to argue that all semi-automatics could be modified to automatic - that this was a very easy thing to do. Good grief! Almost thirty years later and they are still beating the same dead horse.

Posted by: Wendy at October 04, 2017 01:43 PM (bpemY)

414 So I guess I need an update, horde, shooting was ...
10 minutes???. 72 minutes???... shooter killed himself???... killed by
LEOs???... shooter had 10 guns??? ... 20 guns???...

Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (zSVEm)

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Not political or religious. That's all you need to know, citizen.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:43 PM (rjrh3)

415 I guess what I mean is, how good, how trained must you be to be able to hit a (admittedly large) target with twelve different sighted-in bump-stocks? He had to train somewhere.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (Sv2/X)

With 20K people packed in a small area aiming would be a waste of time.Put as many rounds into the beaten zone as possible.

I see where Mortimer is at. Bump stocks are a novelty on the pro 2nd side and a liability with incidents like this. Moving them to class 3 would seemingly be an easy sacrifice.

But, as others have pointed out the other side is relentless. The whole silencer thing is an attempt to stop a common sense proactive 2nd amendment measure--the first major one in many years. Can't have ANY backsliding for the antis. I would be comfortable with a package that approved silencers and the other positive provisions in exchange for the bumpfire deal.

Frankly, cant ATF just change its determination on these stocks without legislative action?

Posted by: Keith at October 04, 2017 01:43 PM (USf3s)

416 383 335 Pro-tip:

You can't shoot through glass and not leave a hole.

***

What? You've never heard of Quantum Mechanics
Posted by: bergerbilder at October 04, 2017 01:39 PM (lIZQs)

Depends if you are trying to kill a cat, or not.

Posted by: Roy at October 04, 2017 01:44 PM (7n4KQ)

417
Tom Servo, that reminds me:

Aren't we overdue for another "study" showing Conservatives are Dumb by birth and More Prone to Violence and Racism?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:44 PM (AmGHy)

418 We'll never know because SILENCERS allow criminals to get away with crimes.

Posted by: Hillary! at October 04, 2017 01:15 PM (iNxIp)

That's right!!! If the guy who murdered Seth Rich had used a silencer, everybody would think he was still alive.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 01:44 PM (O848g)

419 412 It's looks like ZH has gone full "grassy knoll" retard. They are showing a video which is of the wrong building reflecting a light. 0_O
Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 01:43 PM (NMCva)

ZH has been pushing a weird "It Wuz Da Jooz" conspiracy since yesterday.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 01:44 PM (CMbMd)

420 The point about long guns and what not, if you got a swat team rolling up to the hotel, why not zoidberg and set up a counter-sniper?

I think my bigger point is that maybe cities or casinos should have a sniper rifle laying around from time to time. Casinos are basically filled with ex-cops n mobsters, errr...security.

It's not as if shooting a rifle is any more of a response than shooting a guy with a pistol. And really, could a good ar-15 set up make that shot? It's not an exotic thing that requires Dick Marcinko to do.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:45 PM (XhN8Z)

421 Kimmel is just trying to get the late night market from Steven Colbert. Their audience is shrinking and Colbert managed to pull top ratings by being a demented leftist loon. So Kimmel is going there to get those viewers. Its just crass marketing, not some heart-felt belief system.

"But in the movies, they shoot guns indoors all the time no problem!!!!!"

Cop 1: BAM BAM BAM BAM "so what are we gonna do for lunch?"
Cop 2: BLAM BOOM BLAM BLAM BLAM " I dunno, I'm sick of thai, maybe that new greek place?"

Written by people who've never fired a weapon in their lives.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:45 PM (TZPec)

422 ZH has been pushing a weird "It Wuz Da Jooz" conspiracy since yesterday.
==========

It's about fucking time someone wakes the hell up!

Posted by: Frau Plame at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (vg8iE)

423 Serious question: How far away are we from medically designating Evil as a disease?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:37 PM (AmGHy)

Psychopathy.

So it already is... and yet it gets ignored by the psychiatric industrial complex primarily because there is no cure.

Other than locking them up and throwing away the key.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (TOk1P)

424 "407 So I guess I need an update, horde, shooting was ... 10 minutes???. 72 minutes???... shooter killed himself???... killed by LEOs???... shooter had 10 guns??? ... 20 guns???...
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (zSVEm)"

Oddly, the MSM can't find his voter registration record. Apparently he never voted.

-_-

*makes jerking motion with hand*

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (NMCva)

425 No window broken on that floor so I'm not sure what that flickering is
in the video but it could have been a reflection of the actual gun fire.
Don't even know if where they pointed their phone video was the
correct side of the Mandalay hote.
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I don't know.

There was video floating around yesterday, one from inside the crowd, another from a cab, I guess that also showed that flash from the lower level, which would be pretty hard to happen with a reflection.

Posted by: Methos at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (XQvuQ)

426 This means that congress can, by law, allow a civilian to use and own military-class weapons, but only for specific purposes against specific enemies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:30 PM (TZPec)

++++

The 2nd amendment, being an *amendment*, supersedes everything in the body of the constitution.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (pvjTE)

427 Give me a log, some convenient potassium nitrate,
charcoal, and sulfur, a handful of ~~gravel~~ diamonds, and a rapt audience on the
Enterprise's bridge, and I can quickly fabricate an effective shotgun.
Posted by: Zod Tiberius Kirk at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM

FIFY, Captain.

Posted by: Spock at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (ctuyM)

428 "398 Once - and only once, thank Tengri - I had to fire a pistol indoors with no hearing protection. This was over two years ago. I still notice loss of hearing and a little residual tinnitus. I can't imagine what the men in combat must be up against."

Want to know what's worse than a pistol shot indoors? Want to know what's even worse than combat, as far as the "noise, noise, noise!!!" goes?

I had to take a grandson to a Chuck E. Cheese birthday party last Sunday.

ever since I've been visualizing the Grinch while he's hating the who's and thinking of those big gongs banging on his ears.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (V2Yro)

429 So I guess I need an update, horde, shooting was ...
10 minutes???. 72 minutes???... shooter killed himself???... killed by
LEOs???... shooter had 10 guns??? ... 20 guns???...

Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (zSVEm)

Actual shooting time 9 - 12 minutes.
Shooter killed himself.
Shooter had 17-20 guns in room. (I've heard a range)

I'm not positive where/how that 72 minutes thing started.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (Enq6K)

430 ZH has been pushing a weird "It Wuz Da Jooz" conspiracy since yesterday.
Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 01:44 PM (CMbMd)

It would only be strange if ZH wasn't pushing It Wuz Da Jooooooz.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (mf5HN)

431 My latest conspiracy theory regarding the LV shooter is this;

He is (was) a Fed working for some 3 letter intelligence agency and "went off the farm." The LV police found his ID.

The lifestyle, planes, money, etc. was his cover.

The familiarity with weapons and security fit. If it's true the girl friend was affiliated with the CIA then more so.

I'll now put on my heavy duty tin foil.

\s

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (jAZR9)

432 Jimmy Kimmel is Nation's Moral Authority

HOLLYWOOD, CA—Kicking off a rousing and emotional monologue on his Jimmy Kimmel Live! late-night talk show Tuesday during which he laid out yet another case for the common-sense nature of his views on policy and the evil barbarism of those who hold different views, host Jimmy Kimmel reached into his desk and produced a document officially declaring himself America’s greatest moral authority.

“I know some people have questioned my impassioned political speeches, so let me just show you this,” Kimmel said before presenting the document for all the world to see. “I guess I assumed it was obvious due to the tone of my lectures and the obvious emotion behind them, but just in case anyone is unclear—I am, in fact, this nation’s highest moral authority.” The paper, which contained the words “Official Document” in bold at the top, appeared to have read “This document officially certifies James Christian Kimmel as The United States of America’s highest moral authority; furthermore, as the sole arbiter of truth within the land.”

“Go ahead and zoom in on it,” the host said as he held the paper still for a moment. “Take a good look. And check out those asterisks at the top—this is the real deal. I sincerely hope none of you will question my authority again.”

“So whether I’m holding court about nationalized health care, women’s rights, or gun control: I am right, and only right, all the time. And if you disagree with me, you are wrong and you passionately “So whether I’m holding court about nationalized health care, women’s rights, or gun control: I am right, and only right, all the time. And if you disagree with me, you are wrong and you passionately want people to die,” he added.

At publishing time, the document’s origins are unknown, with most experts hypothesizing that Kimmel himself printed it out in his office before the show.

Posted by: Babylon Bee at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (WEFox)

433 I think my bigger point is that maybe cities or casinos should have a sniper rifle laying around from time to time. Casinos are basically filled with ex-cops n mobsters, errr...security.

I like the idea of bullet resistant spotlights someone had here last night. Blind and isolate the idiot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (TZPec)

434 Three day waiting period to purchase ear plugs.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (LjR2k)

435 "But in the movies, they shoot guns indoors all the time no problem!!!!!"

And their silencers only make a tiny "pfew" sound so you can hear the casings hit the floor.

Posted by: Roy at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (7n4KQ)

436
If Kimmel is truly crying every night, maybe people will get he is unglued. As someone who used to watch his show, his crying is not a new thing. He's been doing it since the beginning. The danger with him, and I have not watched, is that he has a genius IQ, is likeable, and has a platform.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla gooberville watcher at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (WEFox)

The crying is an act. You can't tell me that the former host of The Man Show, one of the most offensively non-PC TV shows in history, is a sensitive, caring, James Taylor-listening guy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (eXA4G)

437 Huh. This is a lot easier than it apparently seemed.

Trade the ban on bump stocks in exchange for unopposed legislation legalizing suppressors.

I'd consider it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (rjrh3)

438 Stop the fckn hammering!

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (INJFV)

439
I've been saying for years we need a jerking-off-gesture emoticon.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (AmGHy)

440 423 Other than locking them up and throwing away the key.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (TOk1P)

Can't do that anymore. The ACLU sued and got all the real insane people dumped to the public years ago. Then they blamed RR. Then the homeless became an issue.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (mpXpK)

441 All the late night people are chasing after that left-wing audience that Jon Stewart had. I guess they think nobody with a Republican view watches television anymore.

If these networks were actually interested in making money, they'd have a center-rightish late night show. Fox News basically made the same play in cable news and has dominated rating every since.

But these studio heads and late night hosts would rather high five their liberal Hollywood friends.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (G/kZc)

442 70 Billion for Puerto Rico?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (LjR2k)

443 >>>ZH has been pushing a weird "It Wuz Da Jooz" conspiracy since yesterday.

That's actually an essential component to their founding charter.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (q177U)

444
One of my favorite gifs is the microsoft file transfer gif of the guy wiping his bum with your files.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (AmGHy)

445 437
Huh. This is a lot easier than it apparently seemed.

Trade the ban on bump stocks in exchange for unopposed legislation legalizing suppressors.

I'd consider it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (rjrh3)

THERE is no ban on bump stocks

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (mpXpK)

446
I mean, WHO thinks of stuff like that??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (AmGHy)

447 You don't need earplugs for a crossbow.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (LjR2k)

448
"Psychopathy.

So it already is... and yet it gets ignored by the psychiatric industrial complex primarily because there is no cure.

Other than locking them up and throwing away the key."

Actually I can think of a much better cure than that. One that is quicker, cheaper, and guaranteed to work every time, no exceptions.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (V2Yro)

449 Yeah, I was kinda shocked that the Prius is fun to drive in a go-cart kind of way. My lefty parents have 2 of them.
Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (q177U)

I was shocked too. It's my husband's car (I drive the big gas guzzler truck for hauling groceries and lumber...), and he only uses it to commute to work.

I never liked the original (and current standard Prius) but the techie Prime model is like being in a child-like spaceship. Big iPad looking thing built-in to the dash. Cheap interior really, but so is the price.

It also plugs into any standard outlet in our house/garage. You do not need a special outlet for it by default, although you could get one installed and charge it twice as fast, but we don't need it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (fceHP)

450 Actual shooting time 9 - 12 minutes.
Shooter killed himself.
Shooter had 17-20 guns in room. (I've heard a range)

I'm not positive where/how that 72 minutes thing started.

**********

that is fucking bizarre. He had to be a dupe, a pawn, a patsy, a mark, a proxy, a sucker...a real jerk.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:50 PM (XhN8Z)

451 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:50 PM (mpXpK)

452 I think my bigger point is that maybe cities or casinos should have a sniper rifle laying around from time to time. Casinos are basically filled with ex-cops n mobsters, errr...security.

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You're wrong. Casino security is filled with people who can't find a job doing anything else. I should know.

Posted by: Soona at October 04, 2017 01:50 PM (ZAAkQ)

453 Actual shooting time 9 - 12 minutes.
Shooter killed himself.
Shooter had 17-20 guns in room. (I've heard a range)

I'm not positive where/how that 72 minutes thing started.
Posted by: Tami

From the first 911 call to the door breaching charge.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 01:50 PM (ECUyd)

454 Okay, the Babylon Bee is a satire site, and this is funny, but did he do that document thing as a joke? Does he actually see that he is being a twat? Or is that just hopeful thinking.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla gooberville watcher at October 04, 2017 01:50 PM (WEFox)

455 The 2nd amendment, being an *amendment*, supersedes everything in the body of the constitution.

You're right, of course, but I think the intent and meaning of the founding fathers is not hard to puzzle out here. Big military stuff for special circumstances, light arms for everyone. As in: you can't have a tank unless you get a letter of marque, but you can have a Ma Deuce.

That's how I see it, at least.

You'd think some black people would get annoyed at Jimmy Kimmel. I mean he doesn't seem to care about all those kids dying in Chicago, just white country music fans. Did he cry when the last big thug was shot by a cop?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (TZPec)

456
San Juan's corrupt mayor was EXTORTING President Trump.

She was looking for a total financial bailout or else she was keep it up with this katrina shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (AmGHy)

457
THERE is no ban on bump stocks

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (mpXpK)

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Let me try again:

Trade the imminent and looming ban on bump stocks that will be enthusiastically supported by (R)s in Congress in exchange for unopposed legislation legalizing suppressors.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (rjrh3)

458 I used to be in favor of gun control when I was a liberal-no, not a leftist) but having served churches in rural areas where law enforcement was at a distance and where bears would come into your back yard, and people had guns for protection and for hunting I'm now much less in favor of it than before. I think leftists don't know what they're talking about (I will freely admit I don't know a darn thing about guns and have never used one) and so my opinions reflect that of David Harsanyi (?) in the sidebar (paraphrased ), "If people are taking about gun control without being specific and why it's needed, it's to control gun owners." So you see folks, even liberals can have a "conversion" on this issue. Also, it would be nice if instead of mocking gun owners they could have some intelligent arguments. Maybe newspeople are just sophomoric.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (iVOAv)

459
There was video floating around yesterday, one from inside the crowd, another from a cab, I guess that also showed that flash from the lower level, which would be pretty hard to happen with a reflection.
Posted by: Methos

______

So take tis for what's its worth, but a very good friend of my wife's was in the massacre, but she survived unharmed. She was right in the thick of it, literally someone shot standing next to her. Crawling over people that had been shot, she was covered in blood, etc

She said when it went down, everyone was telling them there were multiple shooters

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (G/kZc)

460 You're wrong. Casino security is filled with people who can't find a job doing anything else. I should know.

+++++++++

hahaa, I lol'd

But I'm not saying that Gigibutu the newly hired blackjack dealer be given a gun.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (XhN8Z)

461 Used to bench fire various hunting rifles, outdoors. With ear protection, my head would ring some after an hour or two.

Yeah, talking heads do not know anything about guns.

Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (zSVEm)

462 Chicago averages about 450 gun deaths per year (going back to 2007) and 2500 casualties.

Whatever the Democrats propose is from experience, and obviously it works very well.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 01:52 PM (H0quv)

463 we are being assaulted by "comedians"

Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'
"Who gets to be white next?"

truthrevolt.org

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 01:52 PM (fceHP)

464 All of this frufrah has the element of planning to it. Right after the massacre somebody formed a propaganda plan and alerted a key cadre of other sombodies. Never let a crisis go to waste and all that.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at October 04, 2017 01:52 PM (RD7QR)

465 Other than locking them up and throwing away the key.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:46 PM (TOk1P)

Can't do that anymore. The ACLU sued and got all the real insane people dumped to the public years ago. Then they blamed RR. Then the homeless became an issue.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (mpXpK)

There are people who are diagnosed with psychopathy. Which is a real thing. So if you are locked up for, saying rape, murder, stealing from widows and orphans, and any and all other assorted crimes, and you have a diagnosis of psychopathy, you should NEVER be released. Assuming your sentence is Life. Because if you are a true psychopath, chances are you've accumulated enough crimes after a while that it should be.

So when you go to the Parole Board, and tell them how you've changed... well, you should never even make it to the Parole Board. It should be denied without discussion.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2017 01:53 PM (TOk1P)

466 Oh, and if RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA or some other squirrel suddenly appear the shooter was radicalized.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at October 04, 2017 01:53 PM (RD7QR)

467 You know what else is silent?

An ice pick in your ear.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I crack myself up.

Posted by: Vito "The Surgeon" Spaghettini at October 04, 2017 01:53 PM (wo3jg)

468
Yeah, I was kinda shocked that the Prius is fun to drive in a go-cart kind of way. My lefty parents have 2 of them. Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 01:36 PM (q177U)
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My totally Republican parents had two Pacers. Kids, sport equipment, orchestra, etc. The first minivan that came out they were on it.

I have nothing against Prius, etc but battery technology has not advanced enough for subzero winters.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 01:53 PM (MIKMs)

469 We should ban Phased Plasma Rifles in the 40 Watt Range...

Just to be sure.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 01:53 PM (2wRtc)

470 I wonder if either one of these scrunts or even half of the left's retarded voting base understand that it's already quite legal to both own and hunt with supressors in many if not most states - especially on the ownership side.

The HPA / SHARE bill is about moving the purchase of these NON-FIREARMS off of the NFA list and onto a "mere" 4473 where purchasers will still need to do a NICS check. This isn't exactly like selling them like beef jerky at Walmart.

Dishonest, ignorant, manipulative assholes.

Posted by: Jaws at October 04, 2017 01:54 PM (oOw3I)

471 Hollywood has also taught me that pillows can be used as suppressors.
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Don't forget potatoes and 2-liter bottles.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 01:54 PM (/9uFC)

472
Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'
==

I think it's wonderful how the left gets their "news" from "comedians".

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 01:55 PM (2wRtc)

473 THERE is no ban on bump stocks
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:49 PM (mpXpK)

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Not now.

Im one of the biggest "gun nuts" around.

But.... perhaps there should be a ban on bumps stocks. Certainly violates the spirit of the auto weapon ban.

Worth debating anyway.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 01:55 PM (8XRCm)

474 I guess they think nobody with a Republican view watches television anymore.

They're probably right, now that Craig Ferguson is gone.

As for Kimmel on the Man Show, you can tell how much of that was Carrolla and how much was Kimmel.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:55 PM (TZPec)

475 Huh. This is a lot easier than it apparently seemed.

Trade the ban on bump stocks in exchange for unopposed legislation legalizing suppressors.

I'd consider it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 04, 2017 01:47 PM (rjrh3)
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Here's the problem with that: Do you honestly think the Dem's would allow a "gun bill" with only these two provisions? Not a chance.

Posted by: WisRich at October 04, 2017 01:55 PM (G0vdT)

476 Don't forget potatoes and 2-liter bottles.
______________________________________

And bodies of unconscious drug addicts.

Posted by: Vito "The Undertaker" Spaghettini at October 04, 2017 01:56 PM (wo3jg)

477 Actual shooting time 9 - 12 minutes.
Shooter killed himself.
Shooter had 17-20 guns in room. (I've heard a range)

I'm not positive where/how that 72 minutes thing started.
Posted by: Tami

From the first 911 call to the door breaching charge.
Posted by: rickb223

Shooting had to have started prior to the first 911 call.

We're being told that police responded and forced a halt in "under 20 minutes".

So either he was shooting for fifty minutes prior to the first 911 call, there was no 72 minutes event, or the cops are lying.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 01:56 PM (326rv)

478 The danger with him, and I have not watched, is that he has a genius IQ, is likeable, and has a platform.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla gooberville watcher

IIRC correctly, he was co-host of Win Ben Stein's Money, a quiz show. Did he ever play *against* Ben Stein and win? Ie. is there any tangible proof that he is a genius?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 01:56 PM (/qEW2)

479 472
Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'
==

I think it's wonderful how the left gets their "news" from "comedians".

************

libs go supremacist pretty fast.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:57 PM (XhN8Z)

480 IF EVERY BODY DOESN'T ____X____ THEN EVERYBODY IS IDIOTS

SOLVE FOR X !!11!!!

Communist Core Curriculum

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 01:57 PM (2wRtc)

481 "As for Kimmel on the Man Show, you can tell how much of that was Carrolla and how much was Kimmel."

Adam needs to tackle his friend, pin him to the floor, and fart on him until he snaps out of this bitchy little tailspin he's entered since hitting the bigtime.

Posted by: Jaws at October 04, 2017 01:58 PM (oOw3I)

482 Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'

**********

this mental illness needs to be treated by a one way ticket to zimbabwe or Juarez.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:58 PM (XhN8Z)

483 "...Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

Posted by: James Fucking Madison, Fed. 46 at October 04, 2017 01:59 PM (0tN2W)

484 I've not tested it out but I have read that just about anything that helps contain the gasses can work as a suppressor (so yes, a pillow or an empty 2 liter bottle) once, at least. Where Hollywood gets it wrong is how quiet that makes things. Its not going to make it MUCH quieter, but it will help.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 02:00 PM (TZPec)

485 464 All of this frufrah has the element of planning to it. Right after the massacre somebody formed a propaganda plan and alerted a key cadre of other sombodies. Never let a crisis go to waste and all that.
Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at October 04, 2017 01:52 PM (RD7QR)

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Yup. But this has been going on for years. I think the blueprint was drawn up right after the Edmond, OK post office shooting.

Posted by: Soona at October 04, 2017 02:01 PM (ZAAkQ)

486 OT-I would like to share a "God incidence" which is the term I use about a blessing from God-which other people who are not people of faith would call a "coincidence" So, money is really tight right now. I have to rent a costume for two performances I am doing on Saturday, and next week, and i was thinking i would have to go to a friend to ask for thee fee, which i didn't want to do. Ten minutes agoi just got a call from a funeral home that wants me to officiate for a service for an elderly woman I didn't know. Apparently though she used to attend services at the church I was a pastor at years ago. Anyway. I agreed to the service and the amount I'm being paid is exactly what i would need to rent the costumes Thanks, God, for your provision and blessing. You are awesome!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2017 02:01 PM (iVOAv)

487 Excellent point, Mr. Madison.

If the government does trust the people with their guns, it isn't time to get rid of the guns.

It's time to get rid of the government.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:01 PM (wo3jg)

488 does = doesn't

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:02 PM (wo3jg)

489 I have nothing against Prius, etc but battery technology has not advanced enough for subzero winters.

Depending on where you live, there's a logic to having an electric or hybrid for errands around town (i.e. short-range), and a gas car for longer trips and weekends.

That's what Europeans and the Democrat/globalists don't get-- the ability, nay, freedom, to hop in your car and just go somewhere is pretty fundamentally American. (Ok, not literally fundamentally, but you know what I mean.) Trains and buses are fine and have their place, but if I go on a daytrip, I want to be on my own schedule and take my own route.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 04, 2017 02:02 PM (u0s1P)

490 They think this shit sells?
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No they are programming, they think, literally.

Posted by: simplemind at October 04, 2017 02:02 PM (dZ4TV)

491 All the late night people are chasing after that left-wing audience that Jon Stewart had. I guess they think nobody with a Republican view watches television anymore.

If these networks were actually interested in making money, they'd have a center-rightish late night show. Fox News basically made the same play in cable news and has dominated rating every since.

But these studio heads and late night hosts would rather high five their liberal Hollywood friends.

Posted by: Maritime

Let's not forget, a *lot* of networks have executives or personnel with close ties to the Democrat party (Jay Carney's wife comes to mind). So it might not be just a question of ratings for them. There might be some kind of kickback. A lobbying group (for illegals or health insurance, etc.) contacts a Dem who contacts the station and gets the station to provide content that is basically a commercial for the lobbying group's pet cause.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 02:02 PM (/qEW2)

492 reflexive government bans are bad.

Don't give a damn about the efficacy of bump stocks

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 02:02 PM (2wRtc)

493 You know what?

If someone is going to be shooting at me, I hope to fuck he's using a semi-auto with a bump stock.

Please, please, please, at least I'll have a chance.

If not that, a pistol held gansta sideways.

"Spray and pray" is why we kill so damned many moslums while they don't hit shit.

Last guy I want shooting at me is a bolt-action with a scope--you know, the slowest possible way to shoot. That equals 100% dead, dead, dead.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 02:03 PM (/9uFC)

494 What are automatic rounds?

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 01:13 PM

Duh. They're what assault derringers fire.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2017 02:03 PM (p+Wdc)

495 Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'

See, its just a battle for ratings. Kimmel is taking Colbert's spot as top hard left late night weenie, so he's trying to double down and get the viewers back.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 02:03 PM (TZPec)

496 All I know about bump stocks I learned from the media.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:04 PM (LjR2k)

497 So, it took an hour to confront him?

1. I thought casinos were semi-mobbed up or had real wet-work guys from the old days?
2. I thought SWAT teams had guys who could shoot guns good.

Maybe between the two, someone could've unpacked a fucking rifle with a scope and shot the guy within the first, let's be generous 15 minutes, of the slaughter?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 01:25 PM (XhN8Z)

This is why I am super annoyed by the "it took 72 minutes for the police to find him" BS.

This is not true. Shooting was reported to the police at 10:08 pm. 72 minutes later - 11:20 pm - police were standing over the shooters dead body.

A hotel security guard had already been in front of the shooters door within 20 minutes of the start of the shooting. The shooter shot through the door and wounded the security guard. 10:28pm

This information was given to the police. A uniformed cop was near the room by 10:56 pm. He said he was going to enter, incident commander said wait for SWAT team. Swat team knocked in the door (does not appear to have been a breaching charge, they either used a shotgun or knocked it in with a ram, and used flashbangs on entry) while the shooter was shooting at them through the door. Then he ate a .357. At 11:20.

Also important to note - the shooter only shot at the crowd for 10 minutes +/-. When the security guard came to his door, he had not been shooting for a while. When the police got to the door, he had not been shooting for a while.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:05 PM (I3yVB)

498 I have to rent a costume for two performances I am doing on Saturday, and next week. . .
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C'mon in, I'll cut you a deal on the rental and the fitting.

Posted by: Al's discount Playboy Bunny Costumes at October 04, 2017 02:05 PM (yMRqs)

499 I'm going to guess this silly woman doesn't have tinnitus.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 04, 2017 02:06 PM (fpwej)

500 I've not tested it out but I have read that just about anything that helps contain the gasses can work as a suppressor (so yes, a pillow or an empty 2 liter bottle)

An oil filter even has convenient threads on it.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 02:06 PM (YXJ+5)

501 I have nothing against Prius, etc but battery technology has not advanced enough for subzero winters.

It hasn't advanced enough for a lot of ordinary car use. But if you are very wealthy and have another car already, sure an electric car is great for small use stuff like going to work and back.

Its still true though, that you save money by driving a gas car. All that cost up front is what kills your budget with the electric car. Even with the subsidy from the government, you still pay more than an economical equivalent sized car and regular gasoline. Throw in the inevitable multi-thousand-dollar battery replacement (manufacturers say 10 years, but they claim your car gets 40 miles a gallon, too...) and the price is even worse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 02:06 PM (TZPec)

502 10 minutes
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Again, after listening to the coroner last night, I think a significant number of the dead and wounded resulted from the panic and stampede.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 02:07 PM (2wRtc)

503 have nothing against Prius, etc but battery technology has not advanced enough for subzero winters.

Depending on where you live, there's a logic to having an electric or hybrid for errands around town (i.e. short-range), and a gas car for longer trips and weekends.

That's what Europeans and the Democrat/globalists don't get-- the ability, nay, freedom, to hop in your car and just go somewhere is pretty fundamentally American. (Ok, not literally fundamentally, but you know what I mean.) Trains and buses are fine and have their place, but if I go on a daytrip, I want to be on my own schedule and take my own route.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 04, 2017 02:02 PM (u0s1P)

subzero here

the beauty of the Prius Prime is that it is electric until after so many miles, then kicks into hybrid or gas, your choice. You have 3 choices of energy usage.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 02:07 PM (fceHP)

504 "But.... perhaps there should be a ban on bumps stocks. Certainly violates the spirit of the auto weapon ban. "

If the overall successes of the Pro-2A movement in the last 20 years has taught us anything, it's NEVER, EVER, EVER GIVE THEM AN INCH. NOT ONE EFFING INCH.

I own and use lots of EBR's and I don't give a rat's ass about Bumpstocks. I fail to see the point and still do of turning money into inaccurate noise just for giggles. But I wouldn't give those bastards the satisfaction of even that tiny win. Hell, I think the NRA should (and will) counterattack after an appropriate passage of time.

Posted by: Jaws at October 04, 2017 02:08 PM (oOw3I)

505 The shooter shot through the door and wounded the security guard. 10:28pm

That is a brave man. And that little pause saved some lives.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 02:08 PM (YXJ+5)

506 All the late night people are chasing after that left-wing audience that Jon Stewart had. I guess they think nobody with a Republican view watches television anymore.

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And Jon Stewart had like the largest audience ever. He had about 2.3 m.m.m.m.m.m.million viewers.

whoa!

We need to go after that 2.3M.

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 04, 2017 02:08 PM (XhN8Z)

507 If I was in Congress, I'd introduce a bill tomorrow to ban bullets made out of ice.

It's a fucking real thing, I saw it in a movie and the totally got away with the crime!!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 02:10 PM (/9uFC)

508 This is not true. Shooting was reported to the police at 10:08 pm. 72 minutes later - 11:20 pm - police were standing over the shooters dead body.

A hotel security guard had already been in front of the shooters door within 20 minutes of the start of the shooting. The shooter shot through the door and wounded the security guard. 10:28pm

This information was given to the police. A uniformed cop was near the room by 10:56 pm. He said he was going to enter, incident commander said wait for SWAT team. Swat team knocked in the door (does not appear to have been a breaching charge, they either used a shotgun or knocked it in with a ram, and used flashbangs on entry) while the shooter was shooting at them through the door. Then he ate a .357. At 11:20.

******

ok, if he was in firefight or whatever inside hotel rather than shooting outward for that period of time, I feel a little better.

Still, not the hardest thing on earth to put a guy on the roof across the street, just to be sure.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 02:10 PM (XhN8Z)

509 458 I used to be in favor of gun control when I was a liberal-no, not a leftist) but having served churches in rural areas where law enforcement was at a distance and where bears would come into your back yard, and people had guns for protection and for hunting I'm now much less in favor of it than before. I think leftists don't know what they're talking about (I will freely admit I don't know a darn thing about guns and have never used one) and so my opinions reflect that of David Harsanyi (?) in the sidebar (paraphrased ), "If people are taking about gun control without being specific and why it's needed, it's to control gun owners." So you see folks, even liberals can have a "conversion" on this issue. Also, it would be nice if instead of mocking gun owners they could have some intelligent arguments. Maybe newspeople are just sophomoric.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (iVOAv)

I lived what was then rural area, my parents went to the movies and it was just the three of us and some of the jerks in the neighborhood thought it would be funny to scare us by trying to BREAK INTO THE HOUSE, banging on the front door and the Side door to the garage, it took the sheriff 45 minutes to get to our house because we lived right near the county line.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 04, 2017 02:10 PM (dKiJG)

510 Those enormous fat guys that do Casino security need to be armed.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:11 PM (LjR2k)

511 >>>Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'

If they become a minority of his viewership, he's correct.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 02:11 PM (/qEW2)

512 I think diesel electric train type engines are a good idea, so the Prius as a concept is okay. They just need to work up a less expensive, less fancy version so it doesn't cost so damn much. Then it might be worth it.

If the overall successes of the Pro-2A movement in the last 20 years has taught us anything, it's NEVER, EVER, EVER GIVE THEM AN INCH. NOT ONE EFFING INCH. [/i

That's the left's attitude on abortion to. No restrictions, no penalties, no limitations, not a whisper, ever in any circumstances. Crush anything that condemns abortion or makes it look bad. Never give an inch. Its worked pretty well for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 02:11 PM (TZPec)

513 That is a brave man. And that little pause saved some lives.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 02:08 PM (YXJ+5)

Indeed, brave. I don't know whether it saved lives or not. The shooter had already stopped shooting.

I think that "despite all its faults" we have this blessing in this shooting. For whatever reason, he stopped shooting after ten minutes. He had plenty of guns, he had plenty of ammo. He could have continued firing for longer. Many more people would be dead or wounded.

But he stopped.

I don't know why. For some reason, I have this feeling that whatever it is that he thought he was achieving by opening up on the crowd like that, he realized that he was not achieving it.

And that he had regret.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:13 PM (I3yVB)

514 Can't do that anymore. The ACLU sued and got all the real insane people dumped to the public years ago. Then they blamed RR. Then the homeless became an issue.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 01:48 PM (mpXpK)

O'Connor v. Donaldson, Supreme Court, 1975, turned all the nutjobs loose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 02:13 PM (SRKgf)

515 From the ground up to the 32nd floor? With a Glock?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 01:33 PM (ECUyd)

Vegas cops (like many other cities) have helicopters with spotlights. Get one of them in the air, with an officer with scoped rifle or grenade launcher aboard, and game over.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 02:14 PM (O848g)

516 I rode in a Prius once. That stupid tree was the most pretentious thing I've ever seen in a car. Now modern cars are packed with all this fancy crap like its a Star Trek console that is utterly pointless. Most of its touch screen which is colossally idiotic in a car.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:42 PM (TZPec)

works beautifully
you'd have to try it to understand and get used to it

the AI is deep and handy once you figure it out (for cold climates you can let it determine when to charge the car by telling it when you want to use it next, for example)

you rarely have to use the screen once you are set up. Wipers come on by themselves when it starts to rain. Lights same.

all cars have touchscreens now... even my gas chugger

some of the systems turn off in mine automatically (like the music apps) if you are driving or going in reverse, etc

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 02:14 PM (fceHP)

517 Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'

Sure, it'll be just like Detroit, Oakland, Newark, Compton, Gary, the South Side of Chicago, East St. Louis, etc.

It'll be a MUCH better world. A lot less crowded, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 02:15 PM (SRKgf)

518 Maybe the machine gun rooms should all be on lower levels.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:15 PM (LjR2k)

519 But I will say from a political point of view, it would be incredibly
stupid for Congress to push forward right now with any law that make
them "easier" to purchase or lowered barriers.

That's a conversation we have like a few years from the worst mass
shooting in US history. Unless you just want to see it go down and
conservatives/NRA to take a massive PR hit.
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Do it now.

Fuck 'em.

The people that are pissing their pants over this will never vote Republican.

The rest of us support it.

8 years of Bush failure and 8 years of Obama ought to tell you that doing things for those who don't vote for you is a waste of time.
And only pisses off those who do vote for you.

But you go on and keep chasing all those mythical "moderate" voters that Karl Rove knows are out there somewhere.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 02:17 PM (/9uFC)

520 Well, as a multiple tour and war combat vet, I can pretty much point my shitty hearing and tinnitus back to not always being able to wear earplugs when I need them. It is serious business, actually, as it just won't get better for me. Try sleeping at night when all you can hear is a constant tone in the quiet. If anything, I'm more pro-silencer now than ever.

I think that DOD has experimented with modern earplugs that are supposed to have some sort of valve that closes at certain decibel levels. This is supposed to allow for constant use. I don't know if that shit works or not.

Posted by: Rob at October 04, 2017 02:18 PM (9rjbw)

521 >>>Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'

That's odd. Colbert married a white woman and has 3 biological children, which is above replacement.

Why didn't he do his part, and do something hip and trendy, like adopt a minority or marry one?

And of course it's not settled at all that whites will ever be a minority. Human psychology taken en-masse has changed radically before, and may change again. Liberal whites tend to have no kids, and may select themselves out of the gene pool, leaving whites who tend to have larger families, thus paving the way for a recovery.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 04, 2017 02:18 PM (/qEW2)

522 Vegas cops (like many other cities) have helicopters with spotlights. Get one of them in the air, with an officer with scoped rifle or grenade launcher aboard, and game over.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 02:14 PM (O848g)

GRENADE LAUNCHER? From a helicopter? Remind me to eyeball all of the people in the rooms above me next time I go to Vegas.

Scene in helicopter: "There he is! On the 32nd floor! BAWOOSH! ... Oh... oh shit ... sorry about that, folks on the 31st floor. I misjudged the range and drop."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 02:18 PM (SRKgf)

523 ok, if he was in firefight or whatever inside hotel rather than shooting outward for that period of time, I feel a little better.

Still, not the hardest thing on earth to put a guy on the roof across the street, just to be sure.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 04, 2017 02:10 PM (XhN8Z)

I am quite sure that the fact that he had stopped firing at the crowd affected the way that the response happened. There is some criticism of the fact that a uniformed cop was told to stop and wait for SWAT, and there was a 24 minute pause in the action, if you will. But clearly they were attempting to take him alive. Because they did not shoot back into the door while taking fire, they breached the door and threw in flashbangs.

It would not surprise me that if the shooter had still be raining bullets on the crowd that the IC would have told the first uniformed cop at the door to go ahead and make an armed entry, or that if the IC had said to wait, he might have gone in anyway. We can't know, because that isn't the way it went down.

As to putting a guy on the roof - maybe, maybe not. Again, we can't know.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:19 PM (I3yVB)

524 all cars have touchscreens now... even my gas chugger

Yeah and that's fine for your phone but the driver doesn't need to be touching screens to swap between menus and... its just all really bad. Hopefully a tech gadget thing that will not last much longer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 02:20 PM (TZPec)

525 Swat team knocked in the door (does not appear to have been a breaching charge, they either used a shotgun or knocked it in with a ram, and used flashbangs on entry)

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No, they blew it open. Audio of police....

http://tinyurl.com/y9ggbz54

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 02:22 PM (Enq6K)

526 Swat team knocked in the door

"Landshark!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 02:24 PM (SRKgf)

527 Honestly, why should a suppressor need any more approval than a stock or a new barrel? It's not a firearm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:25 PM (QQ+il)

528 No, they blew it open. Audio of police....

http://tinyurl.com/y9ggbz54

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 02:22 PM (Enq6K)

Okay, that is an explosive breach for sure - I had read conflicting (I know, right?!) reports.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:28 PM (I3yVB)

529 Childish is a good descriptor.
I would humbly suggest imbecilic since these are purported adults dropping a steaming deuce on any remaining shreds of credibility they yet may possess.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me @ Intersectionality of Deplorable & Irredeemable at October 04, 2017 02:28 PM (Ftuf+)

530 517 Stephen Colbert Hopes for a Better World 'As White People Become the Minority'
_________________________________

Newsflash for Stephen Colbert:

The reason that non-whites are flourishing in the world is because of the hard work and achievement of whites.

Jonas Salk, George W. Bush and his AIDS initiative, Bono, the Pope, Bill Gates. . .

Medical breakthroughs, agriculture, technology, investment, education and democracy -- all creations of compassionate white people who don't ask "Gee, is this going to benefit a white person of a non-white person?" like liberals always do.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:33 PM (wo3jg)

531 Big military stuff for special circumstances, light arms for everyone. As in: you can't have a tank unless you get a letter of marque, but you can have a Ma Deuce.

That's how I see it, at least.

You'd think some black people would get annoyed at Jimmy Kimmel. I mean he doesn't seem to care about all those kids dying in Chicago, just white country music fans. Did he cry when the last big thug was shot by a cop?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 01:51 PM (TZPec)

And you'd be wrong. Many ships carried a gun or two, as defense against pirates. Private ownership of cannon was legal. Letters of Marque and Reprisal gave shop owners legal authority to attack shipping owned by a designated foreign power.

Britain issued letters of Marque, too. It has nothing to with self-defense or the Second Amendment, at all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 02:36 PM (O848g)

532 Clerk in a Montana gun shop said ranchers use the suppresssors so it doesn't spook the herd when they take down a predator. Makes sense to me.

Posted by: TakeFive at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (Iutwt)

533 Okay, that is an explosive breach for sure - I had read conflicting (I know, right?!) reports.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:28 PM (I3yVB)

Conflicting reports?! The deuce you say!

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (Enq6K)

534 bump stocks? I mean -- why? If anything, it hurt his accuracy. They're kind of a silly toy, but again -- we're talking a stock with a spring in it. How hard is it to manufacturer your own at home? Not hard at all.

Bumpfire stocks do not contain a spring and in fact the ATF explicitly outlawed any kind of assistive device in the firing process. The bumpfire stock is essentially a cheap piece of plastic that allows the gun to buck around and hit your trigger finger. This wobble obviously greatly decreases the potential because the gun is in constant motion.

Unfortunately the POS chose a target that had 22,000 fish in a barrel and accuracy wasn't required.

In reality the gunman had 40+ minutes of shooting time and he could have probably killed a lot more people if he aimed and shot in semi-automatic mode. If he shot semi-auto the wounded count would be lower but the death count much higher.

Posted by: john doesky at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (OpyxE)

535 This wobble obviously greatly decreases the ==> accuracy<== potential because the gun is in constant motion.

Posted by: john doesky at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (OpyxE)

536 "Not exactly, they make some noise from wind friction, tires on the road, suspension, etc. There is some engine noise as well, electric motors are not soundless, just much quiter than a continuous series of controlled explosions. "

Ever been near an antique steam-powered tractor? All you hear is boiling water and rattling. It's eerie.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (cQebO)

537 Ruhle in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIQeCOvRn5E

Posted by: wontsubmit at October 04, 2017 04:37 PM (122Gu)

538 Just another fine product of the American public school system.

Dumber than the dump you flushed yesterday.

And proud of it.

Posted by: a real American at October 04, 2017 06:02 PM (UsCnO)

539 Being that stupid and still employed, Ruhle must give GREAT head.

Posted by: a real American at October 04, 2017 06:08 PM (UsCnO)

540 My ears hurt right this second because shooting guns gave me hyperacusis. If I had been using a suppressor this would not have happened.

Posted by: wally at October 10, 2017 01:38 PM (v+JBj)

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