Saturday Evening Movie Thread 09-23-2017 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

Out of Order

Back when The Simpsons was good and something to look forward to, they produced that little segment in the third "Treehouse of Horror" episode. I love this bit. Homer telling a scary story completely out of order to the point of inefficacy. Revealing key information about main characters after their respective payoffs. It's such a perfect example of terrible story telling.

I bring it up because it's one of the things I think of first when I hear of a story being told non-linearly. And yet, I know it can be done wonderfully well.

Last week we talked about the three-act structure, but because it's the most common narrative structure for film doesn't mean that it's the only one or even the best. I don't care about which is "best", but I do care about stories well told in different ways. So, let's talk about one of my favorite examples of non-linear story-telling.

Kill Bill

People usually consider Pulp Fiction to be Quentin Tarantino's best movie. I'd say that it's his most important film (none of his others changed the face of film like Pulp Fiction did), but Jackie Brown, The Hateful Eight, and Kill Bill are better, the last being my favorite.

One thing I like about Tarantino in general is that his movies tend to bear a certain feeling like that of a novel. It's most obvious in a superficial way with how he occasionally uses chapters (Kill Bill has ten of them), but also in subtler ways. Scenes play out longer than most movies. Characters tend to get explored more. Overall, it feels a bit fleshier than a movie, sort of like a novel. Some call that self-indulgence, I call that storytelling.

Volume 1

Due to theaters not really wanting to release a 4-hour kung fu movie, Tarantino agreed to break his opus into two halves. There's relatively little different from his original idea except for an added bit of dialogue at the end of Volume 1 and some pull backs on the violence to achieve an R rating (the reason for the black and white segment during The Showdown at House of Blue Leaves). Still, we're here to talk about structure.

The movie begins somewhere in the middle of the story. After a short prologue where we see The Bride shot in the head, this same character drives up to a suburban home and starts a fight with a homemaker. For those with long memories, I said that movies beginning with action scenes were doing something wrong, but that was under the implication that the action sequence would be expected to elicit tension arising from emotional attachment. That's not what happens here. The opening sequence is funny as The Bride and the homemaker use household objects to try and brutally murder each other. What's actually happening in the chapter, though?

It's an introduction to The Bride. Her abilities are shown through the sequence, but once the sequence ends, she has a conversation with the homemaker (actually Vernita Green, a member of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad) where they outline the extent of The Bride's quest for vengeance. It's an introduction to the entire plot. Another interesting element is that this chapter takes place after the events of Chapter 5, and it makes no effort to hide that fact. At the end of this chapter, we see the name O-Ren Ishii on The Bride's Kill List with a red line through her name. It means there could not possibly be any tension around the rest of the movie, right?

Here, the movie takes a few steps backwards to explain a bit more of the specifics of the situation. We get a quick summary of the Massacre at Two Pines, an introduction to another member of the Squad (Elle), Bill attempting to walking back from his attempted murder, and an explanation of how The Bride recovered from her coma induced by the bullet to the head.

Squinting slightly and translating this to the three-act structure, this would partially function as the Set Up. What we'll find in this movie is that the set up comes and goes based on the needs of the narrative, so we see Bill partially explained, Elle partially explained, and The Bride's situation partially explained. Why only partially? Because there's a lot of explanation to be had. The story is very large. You can argue that maybe it should be cut down to be shorter, but as it is, it's very large, and the bulk of set up would weigh down the front of the movie unreasonably.

This chapter presents the back story of O-Ren Ishii, the third introduced member of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad. People often complain that this chapter is too long considering O-Ren's importance to the overall story, but I disagree. While the animated segment does probably go on too long for the purposes of introducing O-Ren herself, I think that the entire chapter not only introduces the Japanese member of the Squad, but also acts as a proxy introduction to the other members. We never really dig into the backgrounds of the other members (Vernita, Elle, Budd, or The Bride), so seeing how O-Ren got made shows us an example of what it takes to join the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad. We can imply that the others have similar backgrounds and reasons to "[jet] around the world, killing human beings, and being paid vast sums of money".

Chapter 4 introduces Hatori Hanzo, a man who holds almost mythic importance in the world of Kill Bill. He makes the best katana swords in the world, and The Bride goes to him to get a sword to fight Bill. Hanzo eventually agrees when The Bride namedrops Bill, making the greatest sword of his career. "If on [her] journey, [she] should encounter God, God will be cut," he says upon his final inspection.

There's world building in this chapter, but also the implication that Bill's awfulness extends well beyond his treatment of The Bride when he shot her. Bill is a bad man, so bad that he inspires a man who swore off weapon making to make one more sword in order to kill him. It also further explains how far The Bride is willing to go. The looks that The Bride and Hanzo share when he realizes what she wants imply that she knows that not only could Hanzo say no, but he could also probably make a solid attempt at killing her for just trying.

I wrote about this a few weeks ago in a post about action, so I won't go in depth. Just that The Bride faces down O-Ren's gang (the Crazy 8, cutting through them all and finally killing O-Ren herself.

Aside from being an action set piece that is honestly one of the greatest put to film, there's narrative purpose to it. Killing O-Ren and getting through another name on the list, obviously, but it also demonstrates the depth of The Bride's need for revenge. She's willing to literally cut through dozens of people to get to her target, and she's good enough to do it. We're not being told that The Bride is dangerous, we're seeing it. The fact that she never faces off against another threat of that scale is indicative that Tarantino understood exactly what he was doing. He had demonstrated that The Bride was dangerous on an almost unfathomable level, so any time she comes face to face with someone, we know she's got that under her belt.

Released six months after Volume 1, Volume 2 is where the narrative really settles down and tells a much more focused story. Focused on character, focused on relationships, and focused on implications.

It's here, at the halfway point of the whole story, that Tarantino choses to tell the start of the story.

If I had to guess, it's because he decided to bring in emotion at this point, but why? We've invested time with the Bride. We understand her from a plot perspective (her quest for vengeance), which Tarantino provided as an opening into the world. And then, he introduces the why. We've seen the why referenced to several times up to this point, but never explored. The chapter itself is touching as wounded people confront each other leading to the climax we all know is going to happen. There's a sense of inevitability to the action and dialogue that colors it differently than if we started with this scene, or even if it were just near the beginning.

It's also our first real introduction to Bill as a character. He's never been seen entirely on screen up to this point, always just out of frame and giving hints of who he is and what drives him. He almost seems more like a force of nature than a character up to this point. Here, though, we see him fully. We see his wounded, compassionate side, but we also see the fear in the Bride's eyes as she thinks of what he could end up doing (and does, of course). He's cool, and extremely dangerous.

Budd, Bill's estranged brother, is a sad loser. A former member of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad works at a titty bar, getting abuse from its scummy owner and cleaning up shitty water in the women's restroom. He lives in an isolated and crummy little mobile home. If there's one of the Bride's targets that should be an easy kill, it's Budd, but Budd is the one who gets the best of her. Here we see the Bride descend to her lowest point since the bullet to her brain. Buried alive by the most washed up of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad.

Flashback! What would a Tarantino movie be without a major flashback? (Jackie Brown, but never mind.) Anyway, this is where we discover what the Bride went through to become the killing machine we've seen. Would it have been better supplied earlier in the story? I don't think so. It's here for two very specific purposes: to provide a method for the Bride getting out of a wooden box six feet underground, and establish the tough love and respectful relationship that she developed with Pai Mei. It's a fun sequence.

Budd dies and the Bride gives Elle a fate worse than death. After escaping from her grave, the Bride finds that Elle killed Budd (probably the most sympathetic character on her hit list due to his clear view of the situation), but Elle also reveals that she killed Pai Mei with a poisoned fish head. Nearing the end of her quest, the Bride is tired and the fight with Elle is brutal (apparently inspired by hijinks on Jack Ass). Elle is probably the most personal of the Bride's targets after Bill. It's obvious that Elle replaced the Bride in Bill's bed.

Looking back over her journey, it's easy to see that the Bride, as she got closer to Bill, got there by killing the one's furthest from him emotionally and proceeding inwards. Vernita had completely left the life behind. Bill had helped O-ren become the queen of the Japanese underworld. Budd was his brother with whom Bill had a complex and strained relationship. Elle was heavily implied to be Bill's lover. In terms of her actual list, the only ones who the movie presents out of order are the first two (O-ren before Vernita).
Despite the story being told out of order overall, Volume 2 is largely in order and the main sets of action are told in an emotionally cogent order.

The ultimate showdown is surprisingly low key. At one point Bill describes a fight they could have on a moonlit beach which was supposed to be the filmed ending, but Harvey Weinstein talked Tarantino into saving some money and so we have the 15 second sword fight while sitting in chairs instead. Is the fight itself less satisfying viscerally than any of the others? I'd say yes, but the physical fight between the Bride and Bill was never supposed to be the point. It's an emotional culmination of the Bride's journey. Finding her daughter to be alive completely disarms her and allows for the literal reason why the two don't start trying to murder each other the second the Bride shows up. Calmed down, it also allows for the two to talk, and the conversation is heartbreaking. It's obvious that the Bride loved Bill, but she loved her daughter more and swore to keep her away from the life she had led up to that point.

That decision hurts both the Bride and Bill, even to that day 4 years after the Massacre at Two Pines.

The Bride then kills Bill, fulfilling the promise of the title, and we get our ending where the Bride cries in shocked relief on the floor of her hotel bathroom while little BB watches cartoons on the other side of the door. It's an ending that the Bride earns completely. She went through Hell and dozens of bad people to ultimately reclaim her daughter, and she earned it.

Conclusion

So, I never really intended to summarize the movie in such detail, and I hope that I provided more context on structure than just that, but let me continue like I totally did what I meant to do.

Could this exact same story have been told linearly and had the same level of emotional impact? I'd bet a hearty yes on that. It could have been, but what would have been lost? Just taking what's already in the movie and rearranging it, I think the introduction would have been too long before ever getting to any sort of character or plot development. The middle would have been the Showdown followed by a small fight in a housewife's home, which would have been a curious order. The final third would have been the bulk of action in Volume 2 without Pai Mei, him not having been seen since the very beginning of the movie about 3 hours before.

Essentially, it would have had to have been completely rewritten and re-envisioned, not just re-organized.

I love it as it is, though. The disorder of the story pieces works. The long sequences that could have been shorter, are all entertaining in their own right. The story comes to a satisfying conclusion without tying up every lose end unnecessarily. (Is Elle alive? Will little Nicki come after the Bride at some later date?) And, most importantly, the Bride's emotional journey is clear, fulfilling, and complete.

The structure of the film seems to follow no formal rules, but it ends up working despite the seeming chaos.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
Kingsman: The Golden Circle
The LEGO Ninjago Movie
Stronger
Friend Request

Next in my Netflix Queue:
The Flight of the Phoenix

Movies I Saw This Week:
OSS 117: Lost in Rio (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) Poster blurb: "Funny, but not quite as hilarious as the first." [Netflix DVD]
Seven Psychopaths (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2.5/4) "When movies are about movies instead of people, there's a distance created that this one doesn't quite bridge." [Amazon Prime]
The New World (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) [Rewatch] "Beautiful and heartfelt exploration of the sad and inevitably fruitless search for Eden on Earth." [Personal Collection]
The Tree of Life (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) [Rewatch] "An achingly beautiful portrait of loss framed similarly to Job's story." [Personal Collection]

Contact

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Posted by: OregonMuse at 07:37 PM

Comments

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1 Frist!

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 07:38 PM (XlF/h)

2 2nd

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:42 PM (ghofu)

3 Acid attacks in London?

Oh, like the one in Marseilles, not at all Islamic terrorism.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 07:43 PM (GsAUU)

4 5th 2nd of the day, never had that before .
Been watching Prometheus 2012 Sci-fi.

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:43 PM (ghofu)

5 Willowed:

Well, They are finally releasing me from the hopital after two weeks. Except, they forgot my prescriptions, so I am still waiting. I came in complaining of neck pain. The fially checked my neck sfter 3 strokes which they said I was faking. So I have a 70% blockage in my right carotid artery for which I will have surgery in a couple weeks because I have a 75% chance of having anotherstroke within the next year.

But it wasn't all bad. The woman down the hall does a pretty good Janis Joplin.

https://m.youtube.com/results?q=cry+baby+janis+joplin+&sm=1
Posted by: bergerbilder at September 23, 2017 07:33 PM (z56EA)

Posted by: bergerbilder at September 23, 2017 07:43 PM (z56EA)

6 Pulp Fiction was a well done non-linear too.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2017 07:44 PM (nzQyq)

7 I never bothered to get this in depth with Kill Bill. In fact until you mentioned things I had forgotten almost all about it.

Still when the Bride paddles the would-be Yakuza is still a funny moment. Along with Charlie Brown and his wife. Plus Go-Go Yabarai. Production I.G.'s O-ren anime is still a weak part and very much reminds me of Aeon Flux.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 07:44 PM (tt7o8)

8 "The Band" a probably unknown Israeli film.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (0NwUA)

9 And what of The Fountain, three separate related tales going at once?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (nzQyq)

10 Posted by: bergerbilder at September 23, 2017 07:43 PM (z56EA)

Hang tough. Sending prayers.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (T/7Cm)

11 I assume all OT topics should remain below?

(would not hurt to direct OT comments to the thread below, as used to be a common admonition in these kinds of situations at the HQ)

Posted by: rhomboid at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (0BFUD)

12 All downhill after Reservoir Dogs.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (XlF/h)

13 Sonobi-tch if f'-in up the heading, hard to read it

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (ghofu)

14 Next in my Netflix Queue:
The Flight of the Phoenix

++++

Hmmm. Your text says 1965, but the link says 2004.

Go with the original. The remake, while not horrible, just doesn't measure up.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (pvjTE)

15 Why make yourself suffer watching Prometheus??

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2012/06/prometheus-spoilers-ahead.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 07:46 PM (tt7o8)

16 bergerbuilder- concern and prayers for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 23, 2017 07:48 PM (0NwUA)

17 Big acid attack by a gang at a London subway station.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 23, 2017 07:48 PM (mJ8mX)

18 Seven Psychopaths (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2.5/4) "When movies are about movies instead of people, there's a distance created that this one doesn't quite bridge."

++++

I liked it better than you, but more so after my second viewing. It had to grow on me.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2017 07:49 PM (pvjTE)

19 A long time ago, say around 1990, Matt Groening forgot to tell people that "The Simpsons" were a cartoon, not a guide on how to live your life.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 23, 2017 07:49 PM (5VlCp)

20 Kill Bill 1 and 2 are the greatest 4.5 hours of cinema ever made, IMHO.

The Hateful 8 was a piece of dogshit that should have been burned.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 23, 2017 07:50 PM (O033+)

21 I've seen Pulp Fiction at least twice. I admire the production, the direction, the performances.

And yet I do not like that movie. It is, in the end, too bleak, too dystopic. Too jarring.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 07:50 PM (T/7Cm)

22 Posted by: bergerbilder at September 23, 2017 07:43 PM (z56EA)

Geez man. Prayers up.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 07:50 PM (NWiLs)

23 Zed's dead, Baby, Zed's dead.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2017 07:51 PM (nzQyq)

24 How could you not mention that Vernita Green pulls a pistol out of a box of Kaboom cereal?

That to me was the best detail in Kill Bill AND of course should make it part of Horde canon.

Posted by: blaster at September 23, 2017 07:51 PM (jHrzU)

25 BTW, my favorite Tarantino movie is "Inglourious Basterds."

Ain't budging on this one.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 07:52 PM (T/7Cm)

26 I am still doing sci-fi movies per comment numbers at another website and used Prometheus for ghe 2094th comment but only ever saw a little of it.
Finding movies for years 2100 on is getting harder, though many are not year specific.

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:52 PM (ghofu)

27 Evening! Hateful Eight better than Pulp Fiction??? Lordy..

That was a piece of crap, and I understand how a "Genuine Movie Buff" would think it great with all the little references to several genres.. but to me it was simply an indulgent piece of crap.

And.. Pulp Fiction was a much better example of out of sequence story telling.. told perfectly.. and laying the groundwork for this kind of storytelling.. Once again.. Lordy..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 23, 2017 07:52 PM (i2KAN)

28 Reservoir Dogs was my second favorite.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 07:53 PM (T/7Cm)

29 14 Next in my Netflix Queue:
The Flight of the Phoenix

++++

Hmmm. Your text says 1965, but the link says 2004.

Go with the original. The remake, while not horrible, just doesn't measure up.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2017 07:45 PM (pvjTE)

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I watched it earlier today after sending the post to OM. I'd call the remake bad. Pure formula. Thin characters. Unnecessary added "tension". I liked Giovanni Ribbisi though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 07:53 PM (Jj43a)

30 I have never seen an episode of the simpsons, but I have seen Kill Bill II. I think... That was the one with the Japanese Girl Band singing 'WooHoo, WhoohooHoo...' and so forth. Won't it?

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2017 07:54 PM (zLDYs)

31 21 I've seen Pulp Fiction at least twice. I admire the production, the direction, the performances.

And yet I do not like that movie. It is, in the end, too bleak, too dystopic. Too jarring.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 07:50 PM (T/7Cm)

I dunno. I liked Jules' monologue at the end. "The truth is, you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd."

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 07:54 PM (NWiLs)

32 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_the_future

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:55 PM (ghofu)

33 Also, Jules walked away from the life. Vincent stayed in and it got him killed.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 07:55 PM (NWiLs)

34 32 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_the_future
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:55 PM (ghofu)

--That list changes by the year.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 07:55 PM (GsAUU)

35 First 20 years barely missed a Simpson episode, maybe 5 ago stopped cold turkey.
Never watched any of Kill Biil but I liked Pulp Fiction

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:57 PM (ghofu)

36 Hey everybody, and hey OregonMuse!

Glad you saw The Tree Of Life. I overall enjoyed it and appreciated its pro-life, pro-Christian message... but I thought it worked more like, frankly, an extended slide show, than a movie.

Would you agree? Disagree? I think ToL would have benefitted from more (maybe a lot more) scenes that were fully fleshed out, rather than just brief bits. It was kind of jarring in that respect, IMHO.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 07:57 PM (eMKNe)

37 I knew Skip was going to link that.

And thanks for scooping me on the Tube attack, logprof!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 23, 2017 07:57 PM (mJ8mX)

38 Sept 26th on CrunchyRoll will premier Watanabe Shinichiro's anime short Blade Runner Black Out 2022.

https://youtu.be/OD0RCfcaols

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 07:58 PM (tt7o8)

39 30 I have never seen an episode of the simpsons, but I have seen Kill Bill II. I think... That was the one with the Japanese Girl Band singing 'WooHoo, WhoohooHoo...' and so forth. Won't it?
Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2017 07:54 PM (zLDYs)

Nope, that's Kill Bill 1. In the House of Blue Leaves before The Bride duels and kills O-Ren.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

40 Also everyone: got copies finally of Mulholland Drive and The Conversation, based on all your raves.

Still having trouble pulling the trigger on The Ninth Configuration though.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 07:58 PM (eMKNe)

41 Movies set in the future that I watched as a kid are now set in the past.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 07:58 PM (Nwg0u)

42 I just try to find a movie taking place the year of comment number. I have found a couple of wiki sites listing movies. Earlier decades are more specific and you can find something for every year.

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:59 PM (ghofu)

43 Oops, was this posted by TJM or OregonMuse?

Anyway... whomever saw The Tree Of Life, hope we can discuss it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 07:59 PM (eMKNe)

44 36 Hey everybody, and hey OregonMuse!

Glad you saw The Tree Of Life. I overall enjoyed it and appreciated its pro-life, pro-Christian message... but I thought it worked more like, frankly, an extended slide show, than a movie.

Would you agree? Disagree? I think ToL would have benefitted from more (maybe a lot more) scenes that were fully fleshed out, rather than just brief bits. It was kind of jarring in that respect, IMHO.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 07:57 PM (eMKNe)

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I don't know about OM, but for me, you need to know how to watch a Malick movie. He speaks another language of film than we're used to. There's no plot, and he's trying to drive you through the story on pure emotion.

Plus, the creation of the cosmos is one of the most beautiful sequences of film I've ever seen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:00 PM (Jj43a)

45 prayers bergerbilder

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 23, 2017 08:00 PM (hMwEB)

46 The Flight of the Phoenix
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Until now, I did not even know that there had been a remake. I would say "WTF?", but Hollywood...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (5IJky)

47 'Getting stoned' and 'dropping acid' is alot different in Islam for some reason.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (mJ8mX)

48 Hi, Horde.

Just found "The Good Place" on Netflix. It's funny, very non-serious, lots of fun.

Kristen Bell and Ted Danson.

No leftist messaging, just cute and fun.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Johnny at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (7T51K)

49 *gasp* a wonderful review.

Posted by: David Carridine at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (/qEW2)

50 I always say that Tarantino wants us to suffer for his art. He always puts something gratuitous in to make you feel guilty for enjoying his films.

However the best Tarantino movie is From Dusk Til Dawn because Tarantino gets killed. Twice.

Posted by: blaster at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (jHrzU)

51 TJM, hmm. I have heard that about Malick, and that his most conventional movie is Badlands.

OTOH I greatly respect that Malick is a great filmmaker, and even recognized as such by Hollywood, while at the same time having such a Christian (or at least, pro-Christian) background.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (eMKNe)

52 Looking forward to seeing the Kingsman sequel. The first one was fun and a different take on the "secret agent" genre.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (EZebt)

53 A good linear non-linear movie(or is it non-linear linear?) is Memento.

Posted by: davidt at September 23, 2017 08:02 PM (BFYeS)

54 The harder part is finding a still from said movie, that can take searching 5 sites or more. You need a jpg photo to post.

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:02 PM (ghofu)

55 I watched it earlier today after sending the post to OM. I'd call the remake bad. Pure formula. Thin characters. Unnecessary added "tension". I liked Giovanni Ribbisi though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 07:53 PM (Jj43a)

++++

Did you see the original? The stories were essentially the same, no? It's been awhile since I've seen either, but I recall them as being pretty close to one another as far as the story. But, the performances were not as good in the remake.

And I don't recall why, but the model designer just didn't seem as natural in the remake. Perhaps because I already knew where the story was going, but it just seemed more written in the remake rather than like something that could have happened that way.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2017 08:02 PM (pvjTE)

56 47 'Getting stoned' and 'dropping acid' is alot different in Islam for some reason.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (mJ8mX)

--Everybody must get stoned.

Posted by: Imam Abdul at September 23, 2017 08:03 PM (GsAUU)

57
Yeah the structure in Kill Bill is fine. Best bits are the teahouse battle and the whole Budd part with him getting the upper hand. Did you notice the call back (if it actually is one) to Natural Born Killers with some of the animated scenes?

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:03 PM (qGuLD)

58 >>>However the best Tarantino movie is From Dusk Til Dawn because Tarantino gets killed. Twice.

Salma Hayek dance scene.

Posted by: wooga at September 23, 2017 08:04 PM (n5VsB)

59 Huh...you convinced me to see The Tree of Life which I had totally written off. But a quick perusal of IMDB reviews (which are mostly one star) have a few reviews that sell the film pretty well.

Posted by: Max Power at September 23, 2017 08:04 PM (q177U)

60 Posted by: bergerbilder at September 23, 2017 07:43 PM (z56EA)

Prayers for your complete and speedy healing.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 23, 2017 08:05 PM (EZebt)

61 Badlands was inspired by the Charles Starkweather murders-- a major national news story back in the day.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:05 PM (XlF/h)

62 51 TJM, hmm. I have heard that about Malick, and that his most conventional movie is Badlands.

OTOH I greatly respect that Malick is a great filmmaker, and even recognized as such by Hollywood, while at the same time having such a Christian (or at least, pro-Christian) background.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (eMKNe)

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From what I understand, he's hardcore Roman Catholic. So it's less that he's making pro Christian movies, but that he's just making movies from that general perspective.

The idea and motif of Eden comes up in pretty much every one of his movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:05 PM (Jj43a)

63 Memento is linear, just running backwards.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2017 08:05 PM (d5Jdx)

64 Max Power, as I said, it's something nice to see: a positive-minded, life-affirming film (although there are sad scenes, of course).

But be warned, Malick was obviously seriously trying to remind viewers of 2001: A Space Odyssey, again IMHO, in the way the movie is structured and some of the scenes are staged.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:06 PM (eMKNe)

65 @58 in my memory Salma was buck nekkid in that dance scene or at least fully topless. On rewatch she was covered by snake.

But yes that was a great scene.

Posted by: blaster at September 23, 2017 08:06 PM (jHrzU)

66 57
Yeah the structure in Kill Bill is fine. Best bits are the teahouse battle and the whole Budd part with him getting the upper hand. Did you notice the call back (if it actually is one) to Natural Born Killers with some of the animated scenes?
Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:03 PM (qGuLD)

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I saw NBK once about twenty years ago. I'm just not a big Oliver Stone fan, so I've never felt the desire to revisit it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (Jj43a)

67 I watched it earlier today after sending the post to OM. I'd call the remake bad. Pure formula. Thin characters. Unnecessary added "tension". I liked Giovanni Ribbisi though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 07:53 PM

Ribisi is excellent in the remake. He carried the movie.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (qGuLD)

68 mnw, yup.

Also, Malick supposedly discovered Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek by choosing them for Badlands.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (eMKNe)

69 I saw this Twilight Zone last week and it had WW3 happening in the 70s.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734565/?ref_=fn_al_tt_4

Posted by: andycanuck at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (mJ8mX)

70 If you wanna get into religion, Alfred Hitchcock was Catholic and there are some interesting themes in his films.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (GsAUU)

71 Not a Tarantino fan, his movies are not my cup of tea.
I do like stories told out of sequence when done well. Of course, I can;t think of any off-hand ;(

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (W+vEI)

72 In Cold Blood (film) owes something to Badlands.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (XlF/h)

73 Kill Bill 1 and 2 are the greatest 4.5 hours of cinema ever made, IMHO.

The Hateful 8 was a piece of dogshit that should have been burned.

I'm a huge Tarantino fanboi and I have to agree with you here.

I think Kill Bill benefits from being split in two, because the two movies are stylistically different. For simplicity, I think of KB1 as a Hong Kong choppy choppy movie and KB2 as a Japanese movie.

As to Hateful Eight, I so wanted to love it. The opening with the horses running in the snow, the closeup of steam pouring from their nostrils, this was going to be Tarantino serving up cinematic orgasms.

Then the stupid plot with the characters and their double crosses. By the time it went to the flashback to tell us who the characters were I didn't care anymore.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 08:08 PM (gIRsn)

74 Some things should just not be remade.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 23, 2017 08:08 PM (0NwUA)

75 logprof, as I understand it, Hitchcock liked to take sly little digs at Catholicism (and religion in general) in his films. But he was smart and/or respectful enough not to go too far with it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:08 PM (eMKNe)

76 64 Max Power, as I said, it's something nice to see: a positive-minded, life-affirming film (although there are sad scenes, of course).

But be warned, Malick was obviously seriously trying to remind viewers of 2001: A Space Odyssey, again IMHO, in the way the movie is structured and some of the scenes are staged.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:06 PM (eMKNe)

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2 things:

The 2001 connection is actually pretty close because Malick used Douglas Trumball to do the special effects (there very little CGI in that sequence).

And

The cosmos sequence had more to do with the Book of Job than 2001.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:08 PM (Jj43a)

77 >>>53 A good linear non-linear movie(or is it non-linear linear?) is Memento

I actually enjoyed watching it a second time in a row to see all the little things I missed the first time.

Posted by: wooga at September 23, 2017 08:09 PM (n5VsB)

78 Sneding prayesr, bergerbilder! Hope the surgery and recovery go smoothly.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:09 PM (W+vEI)

79 *hic* I love that ... kill bill ... but I needed that son of a bitch.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 23, 2017 08:09 PM (/qEW2)

80 mnw, uh really? ;-)

In Cold Blood was released in 1967. Badlands was released in 1973.

So maybe you meant to say, Badlands has some inspirations from ICB.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:09 PM (eMKNe)

81 Logans Run takes place in 2116
The Treasure of Sierra Madre is on TMC
A kid was in the movie a couple of minutes ago and was sure it was Robert Blake, couldn't have been 10yrs old. Looked it up and it was.

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:09 PM (ghofu)

82 Ugh, I can't type...."Sending prayers"

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:09 PM (W+vEI)

83 Yeah, don't think Memento would have worked as a chronological linear story.

Another pretty good movie I had to watch (small, independent film) a few times to grasp what was going on owing to its non-linearity was a 2004 movie called "Primer."

Posted by: ShainS at September 23, 2017 08:10 PM (BiLU+)

84 Badlands was inspired by the Charles Starkweather-- a major national news story back in the day.

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He killed 11 people over two months and it shocked the nation. That's a Saturday night in Chicago.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 08:10 PM (Nwg0u)

85 Ribisi is excellent in the remake. He carried the movie.
Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM (qGuLD)

--If you have not done so, you should watch Sneaky Pete.

Very addictive.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:10 PM (GsAUU)

86 watching The Ring

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 23, 2017 08:11 PM (hMwEB)

87 63
Memento is linear, just running backwards.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2017 08:05 PM (d5Jdx)

Actually, the in-color parts run backward while the black and white parts run forward, and the two lines meet in the end.

Posted by: davidt at September 23, 2017 08:11 PM (BFYeS)

88 In Cold Blood (film) owes something to Badlands.
Posted by: mnw
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*?*

Didn't In Cold Blood precede Badlands by a good margin?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 23, 2017 08:12 PM (5IJky)

89 Mike, yup. 1967 vs 1973.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:12 PM (eMKNe)

90 Robert Blake, couldn't have been 10yrs old. Looked it up and it was.
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:09 PM (ghofu)

Robert Blake was one of those guys who always looked like his grownup self, like Jerry Mathers and Clint Howard.

Me? People look at pics of me as a young man and say, "dude, what happened?"

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 08:12 PM (T/7Cm)

91 Holy shit, berger, prayers up of course!

Kill Bill (both) remains the only entry/entries on my favorite movies list by Tarantino. It's one of the few movies I'll stop to watch on the odd chance I'm watching TV. (The other main one being Patton.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Can't Touch This! at September 23, 2017 08:13 PM (66CWr)

92 Lotta great films came out in 1967.

Wouldn't mind watching Bonnie & Clyde again. Been a long time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:13 PM (eMKNe)

93 I almost feel like writing a wall of text in response. But I doubt anyone will still be around to read it when I get done

So smaller wall:

Tarantino excels at creating scenes. He's simply the best living, right up there with Howard Hawks, Hitchcock and Leone. But he isn't great at story. He loves his own work too much to really cut it the way it needs to be cut.

Kill Bill is a bloated film. It did not, in any non-greed-based world, need to be two films.

The plot is a grindhouse basic one: the blood-spattered Bride goes after Bill, the man who "killed" her and took her baby.

All the rest of it is bloat. Fun bloat at times, but bloat. The movie is called 'Kill Bill', not 'Kill Bill and the Deadly Vipers'

There should have been at MOST three scenes with Bill's minions prior to meeting Bill himself. O-Ren is important because the revelation about her child comes from there. Budd is important because he's Bill's brother and he gets the drop on the 'unstoppable killing machine'. And Elle is important as both rival and final guardian of Bill.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:13 PM (xJa6I)

94
Well, They are finally releasing me from the hopital after two weeks.

Good news.

Were you in a coma? Did you dream?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:13 PM (IW5NJ)

95 I've also seen Starkweather credited with inspiring Kalifornia & Natural Born Killers.

I've never made up my mind about Carol Ann Fugate's role in the spree killings.

What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM (XlF/h)

96 I also wanted to tell you all:

Election, with Reese Witherspoon and Matthew Broderick, is coming out on Criterion blu-ray and DVD in November. They've been choosing some great flicks to reissue recently.

Guess what image is on the cover? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM (eMKNe)

97 74 Some things should just not be remade.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 23, 2017 08:08 PM (0NwUA)

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No shit!

Posted by: Charlton Heston at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM (gC2IV)

98
I've given up watching movies. Just can't stand the Same Old Bullshit anymore.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:15 PM (IW5NJ)

99
What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?
Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM

In Cold Blood?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2017 08:15 PM (IqV8l)

100 93 There should have been at MOST three scenes with Bill's minions prior to meeting Bill himself. O-Ren is important because the revelation about her child comes from there. Budd is important because he's Bill's brother and he gets the drop on the 'unstoppable killing machine'. And Elle is important as both rival and final guardian of Bill.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:13 PM (xJa6I)

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The only other one is Vernita, and she's effectively in one scene that sets stuff up right at the beginning.

You call it close, but as long as I'm entertained I call it storytelling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:15 PM (Jj43a)

101 SAL 9000 "Will I dream?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 08:15 PM (tt7o8)

102 Bloat* not close

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:16 PM (Jj43a)

103
Memento is linear, just running backwards.

No Spoilers!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:16 PM (IW5NJ)

104 No step on snek!

Posted by: Selma Hayek at September 23, 2017 08:16 PM (gC2IV)

105 Best based-on-true-crime flick ever?

Maybe Psycho. Didn't hurt that at the time it was made, Ed Gein was only recently in the news, so his shocking crimes were still fresh in the memories of its original audience.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:16 PM (eMKNe)

106 103
Memento is linear, just running backwards.

No Spoilers!
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:16 PM (IW5NJ)

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The butler did it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:16 PM (Jj43a)

107 I saw NBK once about twenty years ago. I'm just not a big Oliver Stone fan, so I've never felt the desire to revisit it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:07 PM

Not a Stone fan either. But, "U-Turn" is incredibly under rated and a great black comedy. "Natural Born Killers" written by Tarantino, is worth another visit IMHO. Forget about Stone and try the flick on it's own merit (ditto U-Turn). It's completely bonkers, employing the whole gamut of film techniques, stock and editing. It's tone is jarring, it's like being injected with LSD, cocaine and whiskey... with a shotgun. But, it works in that classic old Tarantino style. It's kind of like his take on "Badlands", I guess. Give it another shot.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:17 PM (qGuLD)

108 Memento works for me because the conceit lets you see the world the way the protagonist does, without memory.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2017 08:17 PM (d5Jdx)

109 Pug your right, he was around 15 or slightly less giving birthdate to movie finished

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:17 PM (ghofu)

110 The butler did it.

With a lead pipe in the drawing room.

Now imagine if Tarantino made a Clue movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 08:18 PM (tt7o8)

111 He killed 11 people over two months and it shocked the nation. That's a Saturday night in Chicago.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger
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Pfft. The Will Harris murders, five people, one night. It's quite a tale. I'm surprised that no one ever made a movie. http://tinyurl.com/y9jhnp7r

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 23, 2017 08:18 PM (58eZn)

112
The last movie I liked, which was just okay, was The Hollow Point.

Not a bad movie if you've got nothing else.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:18 PM (IW5NJ)

113 107 Not a Stone fan either. But, "U-Turn" is incredibly under rated and a great black comedy. "Natural Born Killers" written by Tarantino, is worth another visit IMHO. Forget about Stone and try the flick on it's own merit (ditto U-Turn). It's completely bonkers, employing the whole gamut of film techniques, stock and editing. It's tone is jarring, it's like being injected with LSD, cocaine and whiskey... with a shotgun. But, it works in that classic old Tarantino style. It's kind of like his take on "Badlands", I guess. Give it another shot.
Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:17 PM (qGuLD)

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I probably will at some point.

I don't hold anything against Stone. It's not like I see his name, sigh deeply, and prepare myself for hate. I genuinely love Wall Street, but almost everything else has left me cold. I try and I try. I've even given Alexander more than one go (that was a mistake).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (Jj43a)

114 Bonnie And Clyde was the beginning of horryweird making bad people the good guys to be looked up to and admired. IMO.

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (zLDYs)

115 Loved Kill Bill, especially when Bill takes his last steps. Tarantino definitely seems to respect mothers as a Force of Nature.

Posted by: Jmel at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (85EAE)

116 Election, with Reese Witherspoon and Matthew Broderick, is coming out on Criterion blu-ray and DVD in November. They've been choosing some great flicks to reissue recently.

Guess what image is on the cover? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM

A fantastic flick.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (qGuLD)

117 John Wayne Gacy also inspired a lot of flicks.

Including "It," I would guess. (Gacy sometimes performed as a clown at kids' birthday parties.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (eMKNe)

118 I forgot Psycho, but... I did say however loosely.

Gein was just too crazy to be very interesting. He would've starved to death, if the Govt hadn't started sending him disability checks-- which he never asked for.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (XlF/h)

119 110 The butler did it.

With a lead pipe in the drawing room.

Now imagine if Tarantino made a Clue movie.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 08:18 PM (tt7o

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Bring it all together....

Tarantino is making that Charles Manson movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:20 PM (Jj43a)

120 In Memento, everybody exploits Lenny's condition at some point(including Lenny).

Posted by: davidt at September 23, 2017 08:20 PM (BFYeS)

121 otho, yup!

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:20 PM (eMKNe)

122 What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?
Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM

People have mentioned "In Cold Blood," but I really liked "Capote." Phillip Seymour Hoffman was so deep into the role that my son had no idea it was the same guy who portrayed Lester Bangs in "Almost Famous."

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 08:20 PM (T/7Cm)

123 And now part 2, what NEEDED to be in Kill Bill:

I said we only need 3 minion kills before we get to Bill, but we do need more than just those three scenes.

We need the backstory of Bill and the Bride, seeing them together and happy prior to Pei Mei is important. So that can stay...but Pei Mei is frankly bloat.

So is O-Ren's animated backstory.

Hanzo needs to stay but it needs to come early. After the hospital escape, say.

That's it, I think.

I'd order it:
Introduction (crime scene)
Hospital
Hanzo
Crazy 88's/O-Ren
Pei Mei (?, still feels indulgent)
Budd
Elle
Bill and finale

That's all you need. Two hours, two and a half tops. Save the rest for a 'deleted scene' reel or 'extended edition' for DVD

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:21 PM (xJa6I)

124
The Trust starring Nick Cage and Frodo started out really good, and then turned to crap.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:21 PM (IW5NJ)

125 Just off the top of my head, and going from memory as I don't have time to pull out the DVDs and watch them, the anime sequence in "Kill Bill" reminded me in some ways of the animated sequences in "The Mystery of Rampo" if my memory is not failing me.

Now off to pick out and watch one of the Jeremy Brett, Sherlock Holmes episodes.

Posted by: geoffb at September 23, 2017 08:21 PM (zOpu5)

126 bergerbilder - Yikers! Stay strong...and relaxed. Prayers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 23, 2017 08:21 PM (58eZn)

127 Taranrino schmarinino, fug the lil Trump H8er.

Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at September 23, 2017 08:22 PM (MIz97)

128 Bonnie And Clyde was the beginning of horryweird making bad people the good guys to be looked up to and admired. IMO.

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (zLDYs)

Years ago (forget who) but someone wrote a story about just that. Bonnie and Clyde started that trend and how Rocky reversed that trend. Which was then followed by Star Wars and Superman bringing back (at least for a while) good guys being the heroes in the movies again

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:23 PM (auHtY)

129 Star Wars ep 4 starts off with an action sequence.

So do many war movies such as Saving Private Ryan, Flags of our Fathers, etc.

First Bourne movie does.

Vanishing Point starts at the end of the car chase, and then flips back to the beginning.

Many Steven Seagal movies do.

I'm sure I can think of lots of others.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:24 PM (w+Jhj)

130 What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM (XlF/h)

++++

Off the top of my head, Alpha Dog.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2017 08:24 PM (pvjTE)

131 That's all you need. Two hours, two and a half tops. Save the rest for a 'deleted scene' reel or 'extended edition' for DVD

You are no fun at all.

I'll concede some bloat in the Pei Mei skit, the rest was necessary and so delicious to roll around in.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 08:24 PM (gIRsn)

132
People have mentioned "In Cold Blood," but I
really liked "Capote." Phillip Seymour Hoffman was so deep into the role
that my son had no idea it was the same guy who portrayed Lester Bangs
in "Almost Famous."

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 08:20 PM (T/7Cm)

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Definitely concur. Hoffman was an acting national treasure.

Posted by: Javems at September 23, 2017 08:25 PM (yOqwj)

133 True crime film:

I love Owning Mahowney, but it's more of a biopic than a crime film. Very funny. Gary Busey can ACT, btw.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:25 PM (XlF/h)

134 I'm sure I can think of lots of others.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:24 PM (w+Jhj)

the Bond movies starting the Goldfinger start off with Bond finishing off some mission and some wiz bang action which leads to the titles and theme song.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:26 PM (auHtY)

135 The Bonny and Klyde with Fay and Warren is pretty good, watched it not long ago

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:26 PM (ghofu)

136 131 That's all you need. Two hours, two and a half tops. Save the rest for a 'deleted scene' reel or 'extended edition' for DVD

You are no fun at all.

I'll concede some bloat in the Pei Mei skit, the rest was necessary and so delicious to roll around in.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 08:24 PM (gIRsn)

It IS delicious. That's the problem. You (and he) fall so in love with the tasty stuff that you end up with a meandering movie instead of a grindhouse nasty.

Look, if it was a novel, I'd say leave it all in. But a movie needs to be tighter.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:26 PM (xJa6I)

137 MST update: Just saw Mike and the 'bots sing "Merry Christmas...if that's Okay."

Prescient. and depressing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 08:27 PM (T/7Cm)

138 131
You are no fun at all.

I'll concede some bloat in the Pei Mei skit, the rest was necessary and so delicious to roll around in.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 08:24 PM (gIRsn)

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Ruthlessness is structure and plotting can be good, but I just don't understand how one can see the Esteban Vihaio scene and think that it should have been cut. It doesn't add much, but Michael Park's performance is so wonderful that you can't cut it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:27 PM (Jj43a)

139 122 What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?
Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM

Gotta give some love for a Korean film "Memories of Murder". Really well made, if you don't mind reading a movie, highly recommended.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:28 PM (xJa6I)

140 I only recently read, during the making of "Chinatown," Faye Dunaway actually splashed Roman Polanski with her own urine at one point.

Why? Because Polanski wouldn't let her take bathroom breaks during the shooting.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:28 PM (eMKNe)

141 What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?

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I liked Wonderland, about a mass murder porn star John Holmes got mixed up in.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 08:28 PM (Nwg0u)

142 United 93 was a pretty good movie based on a crime.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:29 PM (GsAUU)

143 Ruthlessness is structure and plotting can be good, but I just don't understand how one can see the Esteban Vihaio scene and think that it should have been cut. It doesn't add much, but Michael Park's performance is so wonderful that you can't cut it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:27 PM (Jj43a)

Because it means nothing and reveals that Bill is bad. But we already know that. The performance is great but it drops right out of the movie without a ripple.

If you can cut something and the plot doesn't fall apart, it didn't need to be there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

144 142 United 93 was a pretty good movie based on a crime.
Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:29 PM (GsAUU)

Ooof. Yeah, good point.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:30 PM (xJa6I)

145 Wonder if Tarantino is still working on his Manson project.

I remember we had a fantastic discussion here about it some weeks ago, that it could work IF Tarantino can play it straight... and as we all know, he most likely cannot.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:30 PM (eMKNe)

146 logprof, oh man, good catch there about United 93.

Saw it in the theater. Loved it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:30 PM (eMKNe)

147 "What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?"

The Untouchables was pretty good.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:30 PM (w+Jhj)

148 142 United 93 was a pretty good movie based on a crime.
Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:29 PM (GsAUU)

Thread.

Winner.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 08:30 PM (T/7Cm)

149 Memento, by having the color sections run backwards -- or rather, forwards, but each section is the one preceding the previous one -- puts you in the main character's position of not remembering what just happened. This best illustrated by the scene that starts with him running and a car alarm going off, and he thinks, "Hmm, what am I doing? Oh, I'm chasing this guy..."

Posted by: Jim S. at September 23, 2017 08:31 PM (ynUnH)

150 Best movie based on a true crime? How about "To Die For?"

Nicole Kidman was so great in that.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:31 PM (W+vEI)

151 United flight 93 is a war movie

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (ghofu)

152 I am astonished that someone capable of recognizing the greatness of "Jackie Brown" is blind to the massive flaws of "Kill Bill" and "The Hateful Eight."

"Kill Bill" is a bloated, self-indulgent cartoon and Tarantino's career was probably saved when they forced him to split it in two. People would have been walking out of the theater in droves.

But while "Kill Bill" was a genius pleasing himself too much, "The Hateful Eight" just flat out sucks. It is a stunningly inept work that feels like it was only made because the time period gave Tarantino an excuse to use his beloved N-word.

Mike

Posted by: MBunge at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (pwT6S)

153 Lizzy, To Die For is also a great flick.
A film I wish I could have made.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (eMKNe)

154 144 142 United 93 was a pretty good movie based on a crime.
Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:29 PM (GsAUU)

Ooof. Yeah, good point.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 08:30 PM (xJa6I)

--To be sure, it was almost more a documentary than a "movie". Lots of peeps playing themselves.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (GsAUU)

155 I think 8 1/2 (Otto e Mezzo) was non-linear. I'm pretty sure of this because all I can recall is a bunch of disjointed scenes.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (/qEW2)

156 >>United 93 was a pretty good movie based on a crime.

Oh.....that one was so tough to watch. Waited until the 10 year mark to finally watch it and cried through it.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:33 PM (W+vEI)

157 151 United flight 93 is a war movie
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (ghofu)

--Tru dat.

I watch it every 9/11.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:33 PM (GsAUU)

158 --To be sure, it was almost more a documentary than a "movie". Lots of peeps playing themselves.
Posted by: logprof

Uh... how is that possible?
There were no survivors of United 93.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:33 PM (eMKNe)

159 155 I think 8 1/2 (Otto e Mezzo) was non-linear. I'm pretty sure of this because all I can recall is a bunch of disjointed scenes.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (/qEW2)

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Linear with a bunch of fantasy sequences.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:34 PM (Jj43a)

160 "13 Hours" was great, too, and equally hard to watch (though it was anger, not tears).

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:34 PM (W+vEI)

161 158 --To be sure, it was almost more a documentary than a "movie". Lots of peeps playing themselves.
Posted by: logprof

Uh... how is that possible?
There were no survivors of United 93.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:33 PM (eMKNe)

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There's more to the movie than what happens in the plane.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:34 PM (Jj43a)

162
Memento was a very good movie and kept you on your toes. Came out around the same time as Mullholland Drive which was a real WTF kind of movie

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:35 PM (auHtY)

163 Dropping that scene in Kill Bill about Esteban, remember what Charlie Sheen said about what he thought was his big scene in Red Dawn about telling the others about the Soviets killing those people and it not being in the theatrical release. And his father telling him the reason the scene got dropped was because you don't need to tell the audience again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 08:35 PM (tt7o8)

164 Crime movies; random thoughts:

1) Robert Blake's performance in Hoffa was just f'n extraordinary! But again, it's a biopic, not a "crime film" per se.

2) The Counterfeiters (Aus. "Der Falschers") is great & based on real events, but again, "crime movie" doesn't fit very well.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:35 PM (XlF/h)

165 Damn, TCU took Oklahoma State to school.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:35 PM (GsAUU)

166 Lizzy, oh man.

When I first watched "Schindler's List" on TV, it made me furiously angry.

I would have very much liked to see Ralph Fiennes' Nazi leader character (who was he playing?) torn from limb to limb at the end of that film.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:35 PM (eMKNe)

167 TJM, oh yeah. THAT is true.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:36 PM (eMKNe)

168 158 --To be sure, it was almost more a documentary than a "movie". Lots of peeps playing themselves.
Posted by: logprof

Uh... how is that possible?
There were no survivors of United 93.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:33 PM (eMKNe)

--FAA and military.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:36 PM (GsAUU)

169 Greatest movie of all time? The Day the Earth Stood Still

Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2017 08:36 PM (Sfs6o)

170 you end up with a meandering movie instead of a grindhouse nasty.

Now I shall gratuitously tell my Grindhouse story, full of bloat ;-)

I snuck out of work to catch a matinee of Grindhouse. Literally snuck out, just poof no more Bander. I snuck out early enough that there was time for about three gin and tonics at the neighborhood bar beforehand.

Now, I was the only one in the theater. The movie opens with all the "grindhouse" effects, the pops in the soundtrack, the scratches on the film, the occasional loss of focus. It really has the feel of a 1970s grindhouse experience.

So I thought to myself, if this were a 70s dive theater, I'd be watching it through the hazy curls of cigarette smoke. I lit up.

In my defense, I considered this performance art. I was part of recreating the experience. It was Art, dammit.

It was also Cambridge, MA. They threw me out so fast it made my head spin.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 08:36 PM (gIRsn)

171 139 122 What is the best movie ever based, however loosely, on a real crime?
Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:14 PM

I'd go with 'Heavenly Creatures'.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 08:36 PM (gG2l4)

172 To Die For was about Pamela Smart, right?

Weird story.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:37 PM (GsAUU)

173 logprof, oops. Sorry. ;-)

Bandersnatch, LOL. ;-)
Another one of the joys of blurays and DVDs, my man!

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:37 PM (eMKNe)

174 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 23, 2017 08:38 PM (KCxzN)

175 171 I'd go with 'Heavenly Creatures'.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 08:36 PM (gG2l4)

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Hot damn, that movie is awesome.

Especially it's final seconds and shot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:38 PM (Jj43a)

176
Apollo 13 Hours

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:38 PM (IW5NJ)

177 Soothsayer, that would be quite the mashup. ;-)

How about "In Cold Blood Simple"?

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:38 PM (eMKNe)

178
How about "In Cold Blood Simple"?

oh good one

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (IW5NJ)

179 "In The Heat Of The Night Of The Living Dead"
;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (eMKNe)

180 The Untouchables is not only a great movie, it has one of the greatest soundtracks. It's almost too good, the music can distract one from the movie.

Posted by: Jim S. at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (ynUnH)

181 128 Bonnie And Clyde was the beginning of horryweird making bad people the good guys to be looked up to and admired. IMO.

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2017 08:19 PM (zLDYs)

Years ago (forget who) but someone wrote a story about just that. Bonnie and Clyde started that trend and how Rocky reversed that trend.

Rocket J. Squirrel fighting the evil Russians.

Posted by: Rocky and Bullwinkle at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (OKuv5)

182 I almost got thrown out of Jaws for smoking, Bander.

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (zLDYs)

183 I appreciate the work that went into the post, but it doesn't make me want to see "Kill Bill" at all.

Posted by: rickl at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (sdi6R)

184 >>To Die For was about Pamela Smart, right?

Weird story.

Yes. Lived in MA when it happened so I was familiar with the story going in.
Which brings us to an upcoming MA true crime movie: "Chappaquiddick."
Apparently it is not all that sympathetic to ol' Teddy. Abut dang time Hollywood stops the Kennedy worship.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (W+vEI)

185
To Die For Your Eyes Only

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:40 PM (IW5NJ)

186 "The Walking Dead Man Walking"

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:40 PM (eMKNe)

187
United 93 was a pretty good movie based on a crime.

Tora Tora Tora

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2017 08:40 PM (IqV8l)

188 I find Kill Bill unwatchable. It seems like a film made by a man who emotionally and intellectually remains a 14-year-old. I don't get the love for it at all.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 08:40 PM (H5knJ)

189 But while "Kill Bill" was a genius pleasing himself too much, "The Hateful Eight" just flat out sucks. It is a stunningly inept work that feels like it was only made because the time period gave Tarantino an excuse to use his beloved N-word.

Mike
Posted by: MBunge at September 23, 2017 08:32 PM (pwT6S)

When they showed it at a local theater, 2 rows of empty seats got up and walked out.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 08:40 PM (gG2l4)

190 160 "13 Hours" was great, too, and equally hard to watch (though it was anger, not tears).
Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:34 PM (W+vEI)

Michael Bay's best movie. He did a great job not doing that thing he does. I both love and hate that movie.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (T/7Cm)

191 179 "In The Heat Of The Night Of The Living Dead"
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (eMKNe)

They call me MISTER zombie!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (NWiLs)

192 If you want to look at non-linear storytelling, go to the film that Tarantino stole the idea from: Kubrick's The Killing.

Great heist flick, perfect film noir ending.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (iFZVz)

193 Lizzy, oh man.

Hearing Chappaquddick is really tough on Ted Kennedy. It must not have been produced with traditional Hollywood money.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (eMKNe)

194
A View To A Kill Bill

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (IW5NJ)

195 13Hours

Posted by: Ben Had at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (0NwUA)

196 Insomniac, LOL ;-)

"They got a zombie infestation up there. They don't know what to do with it."

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (eMKNe)

197 190 160 "13 Hours" was great, too, and equally hard to watch (though it was anger, not tears).
Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:34 PM (W+vEI)

Michael Bay's best movie. He did a great job not doing that thing he does. I both love and hate that movie.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 08:41 PM (T/7Cm)

It's an excellent movie but absolutely rage inducing.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 08:42 PM (NWiLs)

198 We all float down here?

Posted by: Mary Joe Kopechne, It Girl at September 23, 2017 08:42 PM (H5knJ)

199 183 I appreciate the work that went into the post, but it doesn't make me want to see "Kill Bill" at all.

Posted by: rickl at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (sdi6R)

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Hours wasted!

*Throws self on floor*

I've failed!

*Sobs quietly*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 08:42 PM (Jj43a)

200 >.It was also Cambridge, MA. They threw me out so fast it made my head spin.

Heh. Now if it had been a joint...?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:42 PM (W+vEI)

201 173 logprof, oops. Sorry. ;-)

Bandersnatch, LOL. ;-)
Another one of the joys of blurays and DVDs, my man!
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:37 PM (eMKNe)

--The biggest bit of artistic license in United 93 was Greengrass portraying the German national on the flight as conciliatory with the terrorists, being in the "9/10" mode of hijackings as negotiations. That passenger's family were pissed about that, but we have no way of knowing.

In any event, the hijackings-as-negotiation concept was SOP at the time for airlines, and the government, regardless of what any passenger thought.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:42 PM (GsAUU)

202 logprof, yup. It took guts for Greengrass to include that in the film IMHO.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:43 PM (eMKNe)

203 She's kind of a movie star. Madonna has sold a big 3,848 copies of her new album.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 08:44 PM (Nwg0u)

204 I cannot watch any of the 9/11 and aftermath movies.

The whole subject makes me too angry. I'd be seething after 2 hours on that subject.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 08:44 PM (H5knJ)

205 Wonder if Tarantino is still working on his Manson project.

I remember we had a fantastic discussion here about it some weeks ago, that it could work IF Tarantino can play it straight... and as we all know, he most likely cannot.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:30 PM

He's gonna have to work on the script like he never has before. It's his first outing on a historical series of events. If he gets it right, it could be brilliant. If not, it will be a total trainwreck. He's well equipped to tackle it as a subject, it's not like The Family didn't feature a lot of character driven, acid soaked craziness that was sometimes darkly funny. If he hits just the right balance in delivery, it could be a classic. I just don't know if he can let go of his "genre tribute, grindhouse" thing now. I'd be more confident if Avary was working on it too.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 08:44 PM (qGuLD)

206 Anonosaurus, wow!!!!!!

Madonna is still alive?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:44 PM (eMKNe)

207 She's kind of a movie star. Madonna has sold a big 3,848 copies of her new album.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 08:44 PM (Nwg0u)

That many?!?!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:44 PM (auHtY)

208 A Bridge To Far and Away

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:45 PM (ghofu)

209 >>Hearing Chappaquddick is really tough on Ted Kennedy. It must not have been produced with traditional Hollywood money.

Yes, surprising. I'm thinking it was pitched as a sequel of sorts to last year's "Jackie." And you know Hollywood can't resist a sequel.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:45 PM (W+vEI)

210 13 Hours is great.

Yes, and rage-inducing.

Speaking of which, I may watch Black Hawk Down tonight.

My BP is too low.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:45 PM (GsAUU)

211 I just couldn't get in to Heavenly Creatures.

Me bad. Failed. Bored me.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:45 PM (XlF/h)

212 otho, exactly.

Same as how I feel about the upcoming Blade Runner 2049. I predice it'll either be a stone cold masterpiece or a complete utter blood-soaked trainwreck.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:45 PM (eMKNe)

213
Black Hawk Down And Out In Beverly Hills

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:46 PM (IW5NJ)

214 49 *gasp* a wonderful review.

Posted by: David Carridine at September 23, 2017 08:01 PM (/qEW2)

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Heh. I was going to make an auto-erotic suicide comment, but didn't want to be crude. ;-)

Kung Fu was my favorite TV show growing up. I didn't know until I saw the movie "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story" that that TV series was Bruce Lee's idea and he pitched it so he could star in it after his cult-like fame from "The Green Hornet" -- but Hollywood wouldn't cast an actual Asian to play the leading man back then.

Posted by: ShainS at September 23, 2017 08:46 PM (BiLU+)

215 Apparently it is not all that sympathetic to ol' Teddy. Abut dang time Hollywood stops the Kennedy worship.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:39 PM (W+vEI)

--Yeah, what good would it have done to make such a movie in 1975?

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:46 PM (GsAUU)

216 "It's an excellent movie but absolutely rage inducing.

Posted by: Insomniac"

Kinda like Blackhawk Down then.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:46 PM (w+Jhj)

217 208 A Bridge To Far and Away

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:45 PM (ghofu)

Up close, too.

Posted by: The Bridge at September 23, 2017 08:46 PM (OKuv5)

218 Lizzy, LOL.

If it had been produced by the Jackie people, Chappaquiddick would have been made and marketed as a romantic comedy most likely. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:46 PM (eMKNe)

219 "Speaking of which, I may watch Black Hawk Down tonight.

My BP is too low.

Posted by: logprof"

You posted this as I was typing #216

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:47 PM (w+Jhj)

220 When they showed it at a local theater, 2 rows of empty seats got up and walked out.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 08:40 PM (gG2l4)

++++

It emptied out the empty seats?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2017 08:47 PM (pvjTE)

221 Yes, and rage-inducing.

Speaking of which, I may watch Black Hawk Down tonight.

My BP is too low.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:45 PM (GsAUU)

Now there's a movie where after seeing it, I just want to start carpet bombing Somalia

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:47 PM (auHtY)

222 Chappaquiddick - "Nothing says I love you like letting someone drown. A truly romantic film about Ted and Mary Jo." New York Times

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 08:48 PM (tt7o8)

223
Now there's a movie where after seeing it, I just want to start carpet bombing Somalia
Posted by: TheQuietMan

We need to import more of them, not.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2017 08:48 PM (IqV8l)

224 Run Lola Run Fatboy Run

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 08:48 PM (NWiLs)

225

Pee-Wee's Big Score

Posted by: Ricky Retardo at September 23, 2017 08:48 PM (qul7b)

226 Sooth, also sounds great ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:48 PM (eMKNe)

227 "Now there's a movie where after seeing it, I just want to start carpet bombing Somalia

Posted by: TheQuietMan"

I was thinking more along the lines of a dozen AC-130's all unloading on the town at once, but your idea is OK to.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:49 PM (w+Jhj)

228 Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood

No, wait, already done.

This schtick should be ended.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:49 PM (GsAUU)

229 Anna, EXACTLY!!!!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:49 PM (eMKNe)

230 Flight of the Phoenix, the original: The best part about casting Jimmy Stewart in the lead was that he was, in fact, a decorated bomber pilot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2017 08:50 PM (V2Yro)

231 ok, tarantino thought of them like novels, vol. I & II. i wouldn't have the slightest interest in reading two novels about ninja's. and that's the thing, i find his subject matter, drenched in blood, uninteresting.

so, what about chase scenes? wasn't the first movie a chase scene or something. (everyone likes bullit but my favorite is the french connection.).

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 08:50 PM (AxFdW)

232 Romancing the Stone Cold

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 08:50 PM (NWiLs)

233 "Now children what do you say to the nice man?"

"Are you my Daddy?"

Talk about a scene that could never get made in today's Soviet Justice Wanking vapor-rama.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 08:50 PM (tt7o8)

234 What film emptied the empty seats? I lost the thread on the thread

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:50 PM (XlF/h)

235 Doctor No Way Out.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 08:51 PM (gC2IV)

236
The Killing Fields Of Dreams

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:51 PM (IW5NJ)

237 Kunduntouchables.

Posted by: Jim S. at September 23, 2017 08:51 PM (ynUnH)

238 Gone With the Wind In the Willows. The effect of the civil war on the innocent forest creatures.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 08:51 PM (Nwg0u)

239 Black hawk down is one that will suck me in as soon as I see its on. I hhavd been working on top 3 war movies and it might be on that list.
Penn state just got s safety, lead 5 -0 over Iowa

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 08:52 PM (ghofu)

240 219 "Speaking of which, I may watch Black Hawk Down tonight.

My BP is too low.

Posted by: logprof"

You posted this as I was typing #216
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:47 PM (w+Jhj)

--I know, right?

Do I need to tell this crowd that Bill Clinton is a shitstain?

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:52 PM (GsAUU)

241 The Unbearable Lightness of Being There

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:53 PM (W+vEI)

242 234 What film emptied the empty seats? I lost the thread on the thread

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:50 PM (XlF/h)

++++

The Hateful Eight

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2017 08:53 PM (FUu/Z)

243 LOLOLOL. You guys are on fire.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:53 PM (eMKNe)

244 I think by saying two rows of empty seats walked out, he was saying no one walked out, the audience really liked the movie.

Posted by: Jim S. at September 23, 2017 08:53 PM (ynUnH)

245

Behind the Green Mile.

Posted by: Ricky Retardo at September 23, 2017 08:53 PM (qul7b)

246 Took the wife to see the new Kingsmen movie. It's over the top like the first, we both enjoyed it, but the wife felt it had too much profanity.

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 23, 2017 08:53 PM (6n332)

247 Private Benjamin Button

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 08:54 PM (W+vEI)

248 The Postman Always Rings Twice in Chinatown

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 08:54 PM (tt7o8)

249 The Longest Hard Day's Night.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 08:54 PM (Nwg0u)

250 When they showed it at a local theater, 2 rows of empty seats got up and walked out.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 08:40 PM (gG2l4)

That reminds me of a Jack Benny joke about his movies being so bad. That one movie was only being shown in funeral homes and it was so bad the corpses got out of their coffins and walked out on it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:54 PM (auHtY)

251 I thought Kalifornia was an excellent film. I have yet to meet a woman who had any use for it, and not that many men, either.

The connection to Starkweather/Fugate is very hard for me to sign off on.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:54 PM (XlF/h)

252
Twelve Angry Men In Black

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:54 PM (IW5NJ)

253 Clash of the Titanic.

Posted by: Jim S. at September 23, 2017 08:55 PM (ynUnH)

254 "Do I need to tell this crowd that Bill Clinton is a shitstain?

Posted by: logprof"

Preacher, choir, etc.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 08:55 PM (w+Jhj)

255
Drop Dead Fred Claus

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:56 PM (auHtY)

256
Private Benjamin Button

ooh!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:56 PM (IW5NJ)

257 Or maybe that the audience hated it so much that even the empty seats walked out. I don't know.

Posted by: Jim S. at September 23, 2017 08:56 PM (ynUnH)

258 qdpsteve: Amon Goeth, Schindler's "partner" and supervisor.

As for cutting down Kill Bill, I agree that plot wise it makes sense. In terms of the meta plot, it does not. The Mexican pimp has some charm, but he is also remorselessly evil, butchering a woman's face. Pai Mei is a bigoted psychopath: Hanzo clearly feels responsible for enabling Bill's villainy, and probably should. The Bride does not "deserve" her victory any more than the others would, being the leader of her fellow lady assassins. Even the excuse of her motherhood does not wash: she ruthlessly executes Vernita in front of her child.

Kill Bill is a study of villains: their flaws, their merits. I think its message is badly confused and missed by many viewers, but I think being against the idea of murder in general, and revenge more specifically, makes it a good movie.

Posted by: trev006 at September 23, 2017 08:56 PM (4Vhe3)

259
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Alone

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:57 PM (IW5NJ)

260 The Longest Day of The Jackal.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 08:57 PM (gC2IV)

261 The Longest Day of the Triffids

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 08:57 PM (NWiLs)

262 trev006, thanks. :-)

Great ones people! For some reason I can't think of any other than:

"The Longest Day Of The Jackal"

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:57 PM (eMKNe)

263 And Duke beat me to it. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 08:57 PM (eMKNe)

264 Though I must admit: showing Budd as a broken down bouncer should have been cut down to one scene, mainly this former pro hitman cleaning a filthy washroom. Or something.

Posted by: trev006 at September 23, 2017 08:57 PM (4Vhe3)

265
The Longest Day of the Jackal!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:58 PM (IW5NJ)

266 Oregon

"I wanted to see your new movie, but I was sick that day."

David Spade to Steve Martin

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 08:58 PM (XlF/h)

267

Couples Retreat, Hell!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:58 PM (auHtY)

268 IMO Black Hawk Down is Ridley Scott's best.

> Gladiator > Blade Runner

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 08:58 PM (GsAUU)

269
has anyone done Longest Day of the Jackal yet?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:58 PM (IW5NJ)

270 Friday the 13th Warrior

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 08:59 PM (NWiLs)

271
Superman of La Mancha

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 08:59 PM (auHtY)

272
The Lawnmower Man On Fire

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:59 PM (IW5NJ)

273 Wall Street Car Named Desire

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 08:59 PM (gC2IV)

274
has anyone done Longest Day of the Jackal yet?

Not me

Posted by: Amy Schumer at September 23, 2017 08:59 PM (IqV8l)

275 Caddy Shack in the Woods of Deliverance

Rodney, "Man when they said this golf course was off the beaten path, they weren't kidding. Hey is that banjo music I hear?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:00 PM (tt7o8)

276 has anyone done Longest Day of the Jackal yet?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 08:58 PM (IW5NJ)

Amy Schumer is about to

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 09:00 PM (auHtY)

277 The Empire Strikes Back to the Future

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:00 PM (NWiLs)

278 Empire of the Sun Strikes Back

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (tt7o8)

279
The Spy Who Loved Me, Myself, & Irene

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (IW5NJ)

280 Boyz N The Burbs

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (GsAUU)

281 Though I must admit: showing Budd as a broken down bouncer should have been cut down to one scene, mainly this former pro hitman cleaning a filthy washroom. Or something.

Posted by: trev006 at September 23, 2017 08:57 PM

Couldn't get enough of it. Madsen stole that movie IMO.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (qGuLD)

282 Guardians of the Galaxy Quest

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (NWiLs)

283 Blades of Fury Road

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (gC2IV)

284 The Money Pit And The Pendulum

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (eMKNe)

285 Gone in Sixty Seconds over Tokyo

Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2017 09:01 PM (tr2D7)

286
The Godfather of the Bride

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:02 PM (IW5NJ)

287 Repo Man Of Steel

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:02 PM (eMKNe)

288 Funny Girl, Interrupted

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:03 PM (NWiLs)

289 The Main Event Horizon

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:03 PM (GsAUU)

290 The Princess Bride of Frankenstein

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:03 PM (NWiLs)

291
Live and Let Die in LA

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 09:03 PM (auHtY)

292 Life of Brian's Song

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 23, 2017 09:03 PM (KCxzN)

293
It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World War Z

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:04 PM (IW5NJ)

294 All of Me, Myself, I

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:04 PM (W+vEI)

295 Legends of the Fall of the House of Usher

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:04 PM (GsAUU)

296 once upon a time in the west side story

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 09:05 PM (AxFdW)

297 Boondock Saint Vincent.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:05 PM (xJa6I)

298 the simpsons of katie elder

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 09:05 PM (AxFdW)

299 Capricorn One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 23, 2017 09:05 PM (JyFLk)

300 Maximum Overdrive-ing Miss Daisy

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (gC2IV)

301

Dirty Harry and Tonto

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (auHtY)

302 Music Man of La Mancha

Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (tr2D7)

303
Dude, Where's My Car Wash

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (IW5NJ)

304 Apocalypse Now You See Me

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (GsAUU)

305 The Bridges of Toko-Ri County

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (5VlCp)

306 Raging Bull Durham

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (JyFLk)

307 301

Dirty Harry and Tonto
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (auHtY)

I'd watch that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:06 PM (xJa6I)

308 My fave non limear is the movie MASH. No one except the director even knew what the vision was. The actors complained about Altman, the suits were worried, and the screen writer was pissed that they disregarded his words and practically ad libbed the entire movie. He was irate and disgusted....and then won the Oscar for best screenplay.

But as an example of non linear it was brilliant.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (99Nt9)

309
Jaws: The Revenge Of The Nerds.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (qGuLD)

310 Penn state just got intercepted

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (ghofu)

311 The Nightmare Before Christmas On Elm Street

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (GsAUU)

312 TD Iowa

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (ghofu)

313 Penn state just got intercepted

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (ghofu)

I can't place those movies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (auHtY)

314 Silent Running Scared

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (KCxzN)

315 Strike up the Band of Brothers.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (11H2y)

316 Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice, Sweet Alice

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (NWiLs)

317 Twelve O'clock High Plains Drifter

Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (tr2D7)

318 Bob And Carol And Ted And Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (eMKNe)

319
North by North West side Story

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (auHtY)

320 292 Life of Brian's Song

Threefer:

Life of Brian's Song of Norway.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (gG2l4)

321 Red Dawn of the Dead

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (xJa6I)

322 Dirty Harry and Tonto.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (11H2y)

323 310 Penn state just got intercepted
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:07 PM (ghofu)

--and scored on.

Whoa, better check phrasing with PSU.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (GsAUU)

324 Rock and Roll High School for Scandal

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (xJa6I)

325 308: very good.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (AxFdW)

326 3 favorite Prison movies
Great Escape
Cool Hand Luke
Stalag 13

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (ghofu)

327 The Hunt for Red October Sky.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (I11+c)

328 2001 Ways to Die in the West

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (w+Jhj)

329 Debbie Does North Dallas Forty

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:09 PM (xJa6I)

330 whoops, sorry, didn't see that. My bad.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (11H2y)

331 Fast and Furious Times at Ridgemont High

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (tt7o8)

332 318 Bob And Carol And Ted And Alice...
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (eMKNe)

Ah yes, ye olden days, when wife-swapping was the kinkiest sex we had heard of...

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (gG2l4)

333 My Blue Heaven is for Real

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (W+vEI)

334
To Trap a Spy Who Came in From the Cold

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (auHtY)

335 Everybody's All American Pie

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (JyFLk)

336 332 318 Bob And Carol And Ted And Alice...
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:08 PM (eMKNe)

Ah yes, ye olden days, when wife-swapping was the kinkiest sex we had heard of...
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (gG2l4)

And it didn't turn out well. Almost realistic there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:10 PM (xJa6I)

337
Scarface/off

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (IW5NJ)

338 A Bridge To Fargo

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (Nwg0u)

339 Legend of Hell House on Haunted Hill

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (xJa6I)

340 And the Band Played On Golden Pond

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (W+vEI)

341 326 - I'm a little more partial to Caged Heat

Posted by: The Gutter at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (H5knJ)

342 The Great Escape From New York

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (KCxzN)

343 Young Frankenstein meets the Wolfman

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (w+Jhj)

344 Live and Let Die Hard

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (I11+c)

345 Otho:

Huh. I would say Madsen stole Reservoir Dogs, with his overly shined up sadism, but do you think he actually stole Vol 2? I would have reserved that honor for Carradine.

Posted by: trev006 at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (4Vhe3)

346 Dead Bang the Tim Drum Slowly

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (xJa6I)

347 The Brain That Wouldn't Die Another Day

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (eMKNe)

348 Shakespeare in Love Actually

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (11H2y)

349 Godzilla, King of the Monsters Inc.

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (o0Pn2)

350 Life is Beautiful Girls

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (xJa6I)

351 Blue Steel Magnolias

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (gG2l4)

352 347 The Brain That Wouldn't Die Another Day
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (eMKNe)

I'd also watch that

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:12 PM (xJa6I)

353 Thunderballs of Fury

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (JyFLk)

354 Debbie Does North Dallas Forty

-
Deep in the endzone?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (Nwg0u)

355 The Magnificent Se7en

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (NWiLs)

356 Tropic Blue Thunder

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (tt7o8)

357 345 Otho:

Huh. I would say Madsen stole Reservoir Dogs, with his overly shined up sadism, but do you think he actually stole Vol 2? I would have reserved that honor for Carradine.
Posted by: trev006 at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM (4Vhe3)

=====

They're both really good, but I agree with Otho.

Madsen demonstrates a wounded sadness that really exemplifies his scenes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (Jj43a)

358 Mother, Jugs and Speed 2: Collision Course

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (xJa6I)

359 Pee Wee's Big Poseidon Adventure

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (H5knJ)

360 3 favorite Prison movies

Caged Heat

Black Mama, White Mama

Angels in Chains episode of Charlies Angels, (featuring a Farah Fawcett nip slip on network TV!).

OK, kidding. Your movies are classics.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (gIRsn)

361 In the Heat of The Night Hawks

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (gC2IV)

362 The Thin Man On Fire

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (o0Pn2)

363 Run silent run deep throat

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (11H2y)

364 Saturday Night Fever Lake

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (xJa6I)

365 Cutthroat Island of the Damned.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (gG2l4)

366 Rain Man On Fire

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (eMKNe)

367
28 Days of Thunder

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (IW5NJ)

368 I suspect Kill Bill (or something like it) was on Tarantino's mind for quite a while. the Vipers were described as the TV show "Fox Force Five" in the restaurant scene in Pulp Fiction.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (17QyB)

369 Generation Kill Bill

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (o0Pn2)

370 If MSU doesn't get their act together, we won't get to see Bryan Kelly's special purple face.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 23, 2017 09:14 PM (JyFLk)

371 The Jungle Book of Eli

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (W+vEI)

372 Lake Placid - come for the hockey, stay for the giant alligators and Betty White.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (tt7o8)

373 Vanilla Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (NWiLs)

374 The Island of Dr. Zhivago.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (I11+c)

375 I love Owning Mahowney, but it's more of a biopic than a crime film. Very funny. Gary Busey can ACT, btw.

Not disputing that, but in "The Buddy Holly Story" I always expect his teeth to fly out of his mouth and start attacking people.

Posted by: JT at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (4TkUe)

376 The Man From Uncle Buck

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (eMKNe)

377 that thing you do the right thing.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (11H2y)

378 354 Debbie Does North Dallas Forty

-
Deep in the endzone?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM (Nwg0u)

You know it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (xJa6I)

379 The Color Purple Rain

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (KCxzN)

380 All of Me, Myself and Irene

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (xJa6I)

381 The Man Who Knew Too Much Ado About Nothing.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (gG2l4)

382 That Hong Kong Fuey guy from Kill Bill died in some kinda sex auto thing. Weird.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (bc2Lc)

383 373 Vanilla Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:15 PM (NWiLs)

Oh Nice

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (xJa6I)

384 Rogue One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (o0Pn2)

385 Freddy VS Jason Bourne

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (gC2IV)

386 War movies leaning on
Master and Commander
Black Hawk Down
Battleground

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (ghofu)

387 368 - That's exactly what Kill Bill seems like to me - Fox Force Five, The Movie, which is a terrible fucking idea.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (H5knJ)

388

Santa Clause Versus The Martian

Posted by: Ricky Retardo at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (qul7b)

389
The Notebook of Eli?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:16 PM (IW5NJ)

390 Gone Baby Gone Girl

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:17 PM (NWiLs)

391 Just popped in Black Hawk Down.

OBL and BJ *SPIT*

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:17 PM (GsAUU)

392 Otho:

Huh. I would say Madsen stole Reservoir Dogs, with his overly shined up sadism, but do you think he actually stole Vol 2? I would have reserved that honor for Carradine.

Posted by: trev006 at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM

I guess I'm counting both vols, but maybe more vol 1? Not sure... but, probably, yeah. He certainly carried much of Reservoir Dogs, but had fierce competition from Buscemi in that one. I like Madsen, anyway, but the whole Budd story in KB was the best part of that flick, for me.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 09:17 PM (qGuLD)

393 Red Dawn of the Dead Calm

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:17 PM (o0Pn2)

394 Krampus Conquers the Martians

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:17 PM (tt7o8)

395

Masturbater and Commander

Posted by: Ricky Retardo at September 23, 2017 09:17 PM (qul7b)

396 Alexander the Great Escape from New York

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:18 PM (gG2l4)

397 I suspect Kill Bill (or something like it) was on Tarantino's mind for quite a while.

Tarantino's mind is an interconnected non-linear universe. Madsen in ResDogs is Vic Vega, Travolta in PulpFic is Vince Vega. Keitel's ex-robbery partner in ResDogs is a girl named Alabama, like Christian Slater's wife in True Romance. There's more.

It's like it's all a stew and he only forces bits of it to make sense one movie at a time.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 09:18 PM (gIRsn)

398 392 Otho:

Huh. I would say Madsen stole Reservoir Dogs, with his overly shined up sadism, but do you think he actually stole Vol 2? I would have reserved that honor for Carradine.

Posted by: trev006 at September 23, 2017 09:11 PM

I guess I'm counting both vols, but maybe more vol 1? Not sure... but, probably, yeah. He certainly carried much of Reservoir Dogs, but had fierce competition from Buscemi in that one. I like Madsen, anyway, but the whole Budd story in KB was the best part of that flick, for me.
Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 09:17 PM (qGuLD)

Tarantino also knows how to get great performances out of actors. Robert Forester, David Carradine, Madsen, Travolta...all shine with Tarantino and often fall flat without him after.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:18 PM (xJa6I)

399 388 - oooh, nice. very witty.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:19 PM (11H2y)

400 While You Were Sleeping With Other People

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:19 PM (W+vEI)

401 Rocky Horror Picture Show Biz Bugs

(Bugs Bunny as Frankenfurter. The mind boggles.)

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 23, 2017 09:19 PM (w+Jhj)

402 Beauty and the Beast Master and Commander

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:19 PM (o0Pn2)

403 Return of the King of New York

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:19 PM (xJa6I)

404 And when you realize in The Shining that "noodluM" is "Muldoon" backwards knocked me on my ass!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 23, 2017 09:20 PM (mJ8mX)

405 Dirty Harry and Tonto.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:20 PM (gG2l4)

406 Bandersnatch, that's not a stew. More like the Chicken ala King MRE.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:20 PM (tt7o8)

407 Demolition Man on Fire

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:20 PM (W+vEI)

408 Black Hawk Down with Love?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:20 PM (xJa6I)

409 Dead Man Walking Tall

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:20 PM (11H2y)

410 Total Recall of the Wild

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 23, 2017 09:20 PM (JyFLk)

411 Dirty Harry & the Hendersons.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (I11+c)

412 I haven't seen Muldoon in a while. How's he doing?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

413 Room With A View To A Kill

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (gG2l4)

414 Robert Forester, David Carradine, Madsen, Travolta...all shine with Tarantino and often fall flat without him after.

Carradine didn't fall flat. The belt held his body up.

(too soon?)

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (gIRsn)

415
The Pope of Greenwich Village of the Damned

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (IW5NJ)

416 The Invisible Man on Firestarter

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (o0Pn2)

417 The Green 8 Mile

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

418 The Mothman of La Mancha Prophecies

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (H5knJ)

419 On The Town.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (11H2y)

420 They're both really good, but I agree with Otho.

Madsen demonstrates a wounded sadness that really exemplifies his scenes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 09:13 PM

Bingo. Spot on. It's a fantastic performance and the substory was worthy of a movie in it's own right.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (qGuLD)

421 empire of the sunset boulevard

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (AxFdW)

422 Can't Stop the Music Man

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

423 So the belt was a prop?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (tt7o8)

424 The Hateful Eight Is Enough

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (eMKNe)

425 412 I haven't seen Muldoon in a while. How's he doing?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

He showed up in the Morning Rant thread yesterday. Seemed OK to me.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (gG2l4)

426 415
The Pope of Greenwich Village of the Damned
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (IW5NJ)

Nice

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (xJa6I)

427 Around the World in 80 Gays.

Posted by: Barry at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (bc2Lc)

428 the jerk

store called and they're running out of you

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (AxFdW)

429 [praying for a nood]

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (GsAUU)

430 War of the Roses are Red

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (I0I+D)

431 Working Girl With All the Gifts

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (W+vEI)

432 Strange Days of Raging Bull

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (o0Pn2)

433 If one were to check on YouTube "What if Tarantino made Spaghetti and Meatballs" you will find something stylish, well, in Kill Bill style.

However, I will post a Lego GTA link because it is far more fun

https://youtu.be/z3Y0HrdUvS8

Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2017 09:23 PM (Gv+zt)

434 The Fearless Vampire Killers Once Bitten

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:24 PM (tt7o8)

435 The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombieland

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:24 PM (xJa6I)

436 A Little Night Music Man

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:24 PM (11H2y)

437 The Hateful...8 1/2?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 23, 2017 09:24 PM (H5rtT)

438 425 412 I haven't seen Muldoon in a while. How's he doing?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

He showed up in the Morning Rant thread yesterday. Seemed OK to me.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (gG2l4)

Ah good, thanks OM

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:24 PM (xJa6I)

439 Breaking Away 2: Bloomington Boogaloo.

Posted by: Lance Armstrong at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (bc2Lc)

440 429 [praying for a nood]

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:22 PM (GsAUU)

There will be no nood.

(at least not from me)

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (gG2l4)

441 The notebook of Eli

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (gC2IV)

442 Since it looks like we're winding down, thanks again, TJM.

Good post.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (xJa6I)

443 Top Gun Fight at the OK Corral

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (I0I+D)

444 412 I haven't seen Muldoon in a while. How's he doing?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

Hard to say. is being an unapologetic punster and limerick-creator a good thing or a bad thing?

But, yeah, he's still with us.

For which we are blessed.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (T/7Cm)

445

And Justice For All The President's Men

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:26 PM (IW5NJ)

446

Father Goose Grease

Posted by: Shemp Smith, Greased Up Bastard at September 23, 2017 09:26 PM (qul7b)

447 Never Give A Sucker An Even Breaker Morant

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:26 PM (gG2l4)

448 437 -stringer davis, that's brilliant. I'm pouring a beer in my USB port for you. Cheers!

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:26 PM (11H2y)

449 Three Men and a Little Lady & The Tramp

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:27 PM (gC2IV)

450 Run Silent, Run Deep Impact

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:27 PM (NWiLs)

451 Three Men and Rosemary's Baby

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:27 PM (H5knJ)

452 442 Since it looks like we're winding down, thanks again, TJM.

Good post.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (xJa6I)

=====

But... We disagree about something.

Are you sure you know how the internet works?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 09:27 PM (Jj43a)

453 Local Hero At Large

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:27 PM (eMKNe)

454 The High Road to China Syndrome

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:28 PM (gC2IV)

455 441 The notebook of Eli
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (gC2IV)

Aw, crap. Looks like I missed a great movie-mashup thing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:28 PM (T/7Cm)

456 I'm trying to think of the last movie I saw in a theater. I think it was "13 Hours", or maybe Part 2 of "Atlas Shrugged". I never did see Part 3.

Maybe it was "Gravity". I don't remember in what order they were released.

Posted by: rickl at September 23, 2017 09:28 PM (sdi6R)

457 Rosemary's Baby Driver

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:28 PM (NWiLs)

458

Shaving Private Jack Ryan

Posted by: Shemp Smith, Greased Up Bastard at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (qul7b)

459 Huh.

Oddly, thanks for all the kill bill spoilers ... never seen it / them, likely never will, so interesting to me.
Actually, maybe I would watch , after reading all that ...

Is the Simpsons still on ?
Gotta be a decade since I watched an episode ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (Z8R9P)

460 Cloud Atlas Shrugged

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (NWiLs)

461 The Guns of August Rush

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (I11+c)

462 451 Three Men and Rosemary's Baby
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:27 PM (H5knJ)

Ha!

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (T/7Cm)

463 Picnic at Hanging Rock. Dog Day Afternoon of a Faun. And Justice for All the the King's Men. My Blue Heaven Can Wait. Ok, I've got it all out of my system.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (11H2y)

464 Knight and Day For Night

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (gG2l4)

465 "However, I will post a Lego GTA link because it is far more fun"

Some of the Lego WW2 vids are very well done. The Berlin 45 ones are quite graphic though.

*splut*

Posted by: the guy across the street at September 23, 2017 09:30 PM (sf2BM)

466 The Hateful 8mm

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:30 PM (H5knJ)

467 Anne of a Thousand Days of Wine and Roses

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:30 PM (gG2l4)

468 Thank's TJM. This is awesome. It's funny that for two people with thoroughly divergent tastes in film - you seem to hate movies i like and vice versa - we actually totally agree on Kill Bill. I wonder why.

Posted by: Mega at September 23, 2017 09:31 PM (rv0Fo)

469 452 442 Since it looks like we're winding down, thanks again, TJM.

Good post.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:25 PM (xJa6I)

=====

But... We disagree about something.

Are you sure you know how the internet works?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 09:27 PM (Jj43a)

LOL

I'm not even sure we disagree. We just see different things in the same film.

People who can articulate their point of view, as you've done so well, are the only people worth disagreeing with anyway.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:31 PM (xJa6I)

470 456 I'm trying to think of the last movie I saw in a theater. I think it was "13 Hours", or maybe Part 2 of "Atlas Shrugged". I never did see Part 3.

Maybe it was "Gravity". I don't remember in what order they were released.
Posted by: rickl at September 23, 2017 09:28 PM (sdi6R)

--Last one I saw in theater was American Sniper.

It was in the second-run cheapie theater at that.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:31 PM (GsAUU)

471 Buckaroo Banzai Across the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:31 PM (T/7Cm)

472 Reservoir Dogs of War

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:32 PM (H5knJ)

473 A Knight's Tale of Despereaux

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:32 PM (NWiLs)

474 The Wild Brady Bunch

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:32 PM (eMKNe)

475 Never could get into Kill Bill, either one. So that was a quick scroll-by

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at September 23, 2017 09:32 PM (z2W2E)

476 459 Huh.

Oddly, thanks for all the kill bill spoilers ... never seen it / them, likely never will, so interesting to me.
Actually, maybe I would watch , after reading all that ...

Is the Simpsons still on ?
Gotta be a decade since I watched an episode ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at September 23, 2017 09:29 PM (Z8R9P)

Yep. Though very little since season 8 or so has been worth watching.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:32 PM (xJa6I)

477 Some like it Hot Fuzz
Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead Calm

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:33 PM (W+vEI)

478 The Outlaw Josie and the Pussycats

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:33 PM (I11+c)

479 471 Buckaroo Banzai Across the Guardians of the Galaxy.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:31 PM (T/7Cm)

I would also watch that.

Just got my GOTG 2 blue ray

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:33 PM (xJa6I)

480 Super 8 Men Out

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:33 PM (NWiLs)

481 Guardians of the Game of Thrones

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:34 PM (tt7o8)

482 She's Gotta Have It Follows

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:34 PM (NWiLs)

483 Some liberties taken with spelling in movie titales.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:34 PM (GsAUU)

484 Kill Bill: On His Own

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:34 PM (H5knJ)

485 468 Thank's TJM. This is awesome. It's funny that for two people with thoroughly divergent tastes in film - you seem to hate movies i like and vice versa - we actually totally agree on Kill Bill. I wonder why.
Posted by: Mega at September 23, 2017 09:31 PM (rv0Fo)

======

I love that about these.

I know when I write pays that highlight certain movies, I know that people will disagree so I have to hope that I just explain myself well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 09:34 PM (Jj43a)

486 There's Something About Mary Reilly

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:34 PM (eMKNe)

487 The Hunchback of Notre Dame's Coach is an Asshole

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (gC2IV)

488 The Call of the Wild Bunch

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (Nwg0u)

489 I couldn't get through Kill Bill or The Hateful Eight because of all the violence. I just don't get it. I may give Kill Bill another shot after reading this post though.

Posted by: sinalco at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (yODqO)

490 469
People who can articulate their point of view, as you've done so well, are the only people worth disagreeing with anyway.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:31 PM (xJa6I)

=====

You're really kind. Thank you very much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (Jj43a)

491 A Night to Remember the Titans

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (I0I+D)

492 Tropic Blue Thunder

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at September 23, 2017 09:36 PM (z2W2E)

493 Varsity Blues Brothers

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:36 PM (eMKNe)

494 The Great Escape from Witch Mountain

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:36 PM (NWiLs)

495 Titales????

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:36 PM (11H2y)

496 Is Guardians of the Galaxy on Netflix?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:37 PM (gC2IV)

497 Can The Bride put Sonobi on her Kill List?

Posted by: sinalco at September 23, 2017 09:37 PM (yODqO)

498 The Lion King Kong

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 09:38 PM (Nwg0u)

499 487 The Hunchback of Notre Dame's Coach is an Asshole
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (gC2IV)

When did that "Notre Dame's Coach is an Asshole" movie happen?

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:38 PM (I0I+D)

500 the story of oooooooooklahoma

where the...

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 09:38 PM (AxFdW)

501 If you think about it, this whole thing has been a Dream Sequence, and I won.

Posted by: Hillary Rodham Tarantino at September 23, 2017 09:39 PM (Ndje9)

502 I've seen none of these movies and don't ever plan too. It is fascinating though reading everyone's critiques of them.

Reading your thread TJM did motivate me to watch Terminator Genisys and Salvation. Both of which I liked. Going against the grain there, I know.

Posted by: the guy across the street at September 23, 2017 09:39 PM (sf2BM)

503 They Died With Their Boots On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:39 PM (gC2IV)

504 Requiem for a Midsummer Night's Dream

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:40 PM (H5knJ)

505 487 The Hunchback of Notre Dame's Coach is an Asshole
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (gC2IV)

Hmmm... Don't think I'm familiar with that second movie.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:40 PM (gG2l4)

506 Watching Black Hawk Down for the umpteenth time . . . amazing what our boys did there in ridiculously constrained circumstances.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:40 PM (GsAUU)

507 Stagecoach Carter

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:40 PM (I11+c)

508 Whatever Happened to Baby Jane Eyre

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:40 PM (I0I+D)

509 The Grapes of Wrath of Kahn

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (Nwg0u)

510 I love that about these.

I know when I write pays that highlight certain movies, I know that people will disagree so I have to hope that I just explain myself well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at September 23, 2017 09:34 PM

Well, I'm much more inclined to revisit Kill Bill after this analysis and play closer attention to structure. It's a movie that I have mixed feelings about. I wanted to love it, as it has some fantastic bits, but felt it didn't really turn my crank, as a whole movie/s. I rated it good, but kind of disappointing compared to his work up to Jackie Brown. Will go back and see if it was the timing that influenced my feelings about it.

Posted by: otho at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (qGuLD)

511 489 I couldn't get through Kill Bill or The Hateful Eight because of all the violence. I just don't get it. I may give Kill Bill another shot after reading this post though.
Posted by: sinalco at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (yODqO)

I've seen "Pulp Fiction" and maybe "Reservoir Dogs". I agree with James Lileks that Tarantino is violence porn.

I remember a scene in one of those movies where everybody in the room was pointing a gun at someone else's head. That was mildly amusing.

Posted by: rickl at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (sdi6R)

512 What About Bob's Burgers

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (I11+c)

513 I don't need Tarantino's "Manson," if I want to watch a film about Manson I'll pull out my copy of "Manson." http://tinyurl.com/yahzswwm It's weird and twisted enough.

Posted by: geoffb at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (zOpu5)

514 Just got my GOTG 2 blue ray
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2017 09:33 PM (xJa6I)

A rare case where the sequel surpasses the original. I absolutely love this movie. It's fun, original, often poignant, and wonderfully free of an "powerful message."

The Lego Batman movie is another thoroughly enjoyable movie. Numerous belly-laughs. But chock-full of characters growing in an organic way.

My desire to temporarily separate from the real world is why I love these super happy fun movies, and why I am so deeply committed to watching every episode of MST 3k chronologically.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (T/7Cm)

515 Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfen

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (eMKNe)

516 No Country for Old Men in Tights.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:42 PM (11H2y)

517
Blackhawk Down was bill clinton's Benghazi.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:42 PM (IW5NJ)

518 501 If you think about it, this whole thing has been a Dream Sequence, and I won.
Posted by: Hillary Rodham Tarantino at September 23, 2017 09:39 PM (Ndje9)

No, there's been a glitch in the Matrix.

Posted by: The Prevert Wachowski Bros. at September 23, 2017 09:42 PM (gG2l4)

519 505 487 The Hunchback of Notre Dame's Coach is an Asshole
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:35 PM (gC2IV)

Hmmm... Don't think I'm familiar with that second movie.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:40 PM (gG2l4)

I know! lol I think someone tried to cheat a little. Is that a Red Flag? A Challenge like in Scrabble? A Notre Dame pissed off fan?

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:43 PM (I0I+D)

520 516 No Country for Old Men in Tights.
Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:42 PM (11H2y)

Good one.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:43 PM (gG2l4)

521 South Pacific Rim

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:43 PM (ghofu)

522 The Empire Strikes Back to the Future

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 23, 2017 09:43 PM (6n332)

523 The Hunchback of Notre Dame to Kill For

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (I11+c)

524 Little Big Man On the Moon

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (Nwg0u)

525 521 South Pacific Rim
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:43 PM (ghofu)

There ain't nothing like a jaeger!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (NWiLs)

526 Cape Fear And Desire

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (eMKNe)

527 South Pacific Rim

"I gotta wash this monster off my suit"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (Ktewm)

528 520 516 No Country for Old Men in Tights.
Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:42 PM (11H2y)

Good one.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:43 PM (gG2l4)

--Agreed

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (GsAUU)

529 A very good thriller that has an extended flashback segment is "Return from the Ashes" with Ingrid Thulin, Maximillian Schell, Herbert Lom and Samantha Eggar. It has one of the most chilling opening sequences evah! Great soundtrack too. A failed movie with an impossible to follow flashback sequence is Bogie's "Passage to Marseille". The Casablanca cast can't save it.

A little off topic: I just rewatched Don's Party on Youtube and was surprised at how well it stood up. It would be cool to see an updated version based on a party watching election returns on Nov 8, 2016.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (y9C7q)

530 The King and I, Robot

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:45 PM (NWiLs)

531 I really shouldn't see the front of the ONT because I will most likely be up by 0430hrs. You get up like that for years its hard not to automatically

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:45 PM (ghofu)

532 Spaceballs of Fire.

Happy Texas Chainsaw Massacre

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:45 PM (T/7Cm)

533 thanks, OregonMuse!

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:46 PM (11H2y)

534 Blackhawk Down was bill clinton's Benghazi.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:42 PM (IW5NJ)

--and the ember for 9/11

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:46 PM (GsAUU)

535 Vivi, good one!

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:46 PM (eMKNe)

536 Legend of the Guardians of the Galaxy Quest

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 23, 2017 09:46 PM (o0Pn2)

537 Chariots of Fire in the Sky

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:46 PM (NWiLs)

538 528 520 516 No Country for Old Men in Tights.
Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:42 PM (11H2y)

Good one.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:43 PM (gG2l4)

--Agreed
Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:44 PM (GsAUU)

Thirded

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:46 PM (T/7Cm)

539 Could try for 6 #2's

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:47 PM (ghofu)

540 I remember a scene in one of those movies where everybody in the room was pointing a gun at someone else's head. That was mildly amusing.
Posted by: rickl at September 23, 2017 09:41 PM (sdi6R)

Reservoir Dogs.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 23, 2017 09:47 PM (17QyB)

541 The Lion King And I, Claudius

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:47 PM (I11+c)

542 Two other movies that were non-sequencial since they were based on nonsequential books: Slaughterhouse 5 and Catch 22

Posted by: Minuteman at September 23, 2017 09:47 PM (3nBGR)

543 Edge of Tomorrow Never Dies

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:48 PM (NWiLs)

544 1984 Your Eyes Only In America

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:48 PM (eMKNe)

545 Oh, a really effective out of sequence movie is "He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not." French film and I don't want to spoil...

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:48 PM (W+vEI)

546 I wanted to be a Prison Matrix when I grew up.

Posted by: Hillary Rodham Tarantino at September 23, 2017 09:49 PM (Ndje9)

547 A movie I want to see is the 1964 version of "The Killers," directed by Don Siegel.

You won't believe who plays the bad guy. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:49 PM (eMKNe)

548 Grumpy Old Men in Black

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:49 PM (I0I+D)

549 541 The Lion King And I, Claudius
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:47 PM (I11+c)

Nice 3-fer!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:50 PM (gG2l4)

550 Attack of the Killer Fried Green Tomatoes.

Posted by: the guy across the street at September 23, 2017 09:50 PM (sf2BM)

551 Close Encounters of the Seventh Sign

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:50 PM (T/7Cm)

552 Left Behind the Green Door.

Posted by: davidt at September 23, 2017 09:51 PM (BFYeS)

553 Well then
Men in Black Hawk Down

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 09:51 PM (ghofu)

554 Black Hawk Down the movie does not even touch on the absurdity the way BHD the book does.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:51 PM (GsAUU)

555 You won't believe who plays the bad guy. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:49 PM (eMKNe

Dutch?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:51 PM (gG2l4)

556 Can't Buy Me Crazy, Stupid Love

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2017 09:52 PM (W+vEI)

557 Planet of the Gorillas in the Mist.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:52 PM (T/7Cm)

558 Vanilla Sky Fall

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:52 PM (gC2IV)

559 Midnight Cowboy in the Garden of Good and Evil

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:52 PM (H5knJ)

560 The Quiet Man on Fire

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 23, 2017 09:52 PM (6n332)

561 Mother, Jugs, and Speed Racer

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:53 PM (gG2l4)

562 OregonMuse, sounds like you saw it :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:53 PM (eMKNe)

563 The Good The Bad And The Ugly Betty

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:54 PM (eMKNe)

564 Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill Bill

Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:54 PM (NWiLs)

565 Really!? I checked in to get movies and took me five comments to realize youz guyz wer fucking around.

I asked Heidi if we ever watched No Country For Old Men in Tight. LMAO!

DUH!!!!

Posted by: Coach Cannibal Bobs Long Pork Diet at September 23, 2017 09:54 PM (dCikz)

566 First Blood and Chocolate

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:54 PM (I0I+D)

567 Return of the King of Marvin Gardens

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:54 PM (gG2l4)

568 Ice Pirates of the Carribean

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 23, 2017 09:55 PM (6n332)

569 Jeebus! Laughing so hard. I could do this all night. I'm the guy who wants to do this bit long after everyone else moves on.

Paint your Wagon Train!

Derp!

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 09:55 PM (T/7Cm)

570 562 OregonMuse, sounds like you saw it :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:53 PM (eMKNe)

Had an imdb tab open, so I cheated.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:55 PM (gG2l4)

571 Mutiny on The Bounty Hunter

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:55 PM (gC2IV)

572 Beauty and the Beast of War

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:55 PM (I11+c)

573
Grumpy Old Men in Black

...Hawk Down....

And Out In Beverly Hills...

Have Eyes...

Wide Shut...

-ter...

Island...

of Dr. Moreau!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:56 PM (IW5NJ)

574 The African Queen Of The Damned

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:56 PM (eMKNe)

575 Bringing Up Baby Frankenstein.

There.

Heidi's pick.

Posted by: Coach Cannibal Bobs Long Pork Diet at September 23, 2017 09:56 PM (dCikz)

576 564 Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill Bill
Posted by: Insomniac at September 23, 2017 09:54 PM (NWiLs)

Another good one.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 09:56 PM (gG2l4)

577 Fuckin' skinnies.

Hey, let's import them!

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:57 PM (GsAUU)

578 Mississippi Burning Bed

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 23, 2017 09:57 PM (eMKNe)

579 I will have a hard time explaining to people on Monday exactly what I did on Saturday night.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (11H2y)

580 Anatomy of a Murder on the Orient Express

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (I0I+D)

581
The Eyes of Laura Mars Attacks

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (IW5NJ)

582 nanook of the north dallas forty

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (AxFdW)

583 579 I will have a hard time explaining to people on Monday exactly what I did on Saturday night.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (11H2y)

Posted by: Coach Cannibal Bobs Long Pork Diet at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (dCikz)

584 The Thin Red Line Between Love and Hate

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (H5knJ)

585 NYPD Blue Ruin

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2017 09:59 PM (I11+c)

586 10,000 Leagues Under The Sea of Love

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2017 09:59 PM (gC2IV)

587 Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 23, 2017 09:56 PM (IW5NJ)

Show-Off! ;-)

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 09:59 PM (I0I+D)

588 ONT

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at September 23, 2017 10:00 PM (TdMsT)

589 584 The Thin Red Line Between Love and Hate
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (H5knJ)

As a 3-fer:The Thin Red Line Between Love and Hateful 8.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 23, 2017 10:00 PM (gG2l4)

590 One Flew Over the Cookoos Nest from Here To Eternity

Posted by: Coach Cannibal Bobs Long Pork Diet at September 23, 2017 10:00 PM (dCikz)

591 577 Fuckin' skinnies.

Hey, let's import them!
Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 09:57 PM (GsAUU)

YYYYAAAARRGGGH!

That is all.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 10:00 PM (T/7Cm)

592 The Last Rocky Horror Picture Show

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 10:00 PM (11H2y)

593 588 ONT
Posted by: Ladylibertarian at September 23, 2017 10:00 PM (TdMsT)

--God is good.

All the time.

Posted by: logprof at September 23, 2017 10:01 PM (GsAUU)

594 583 579 I will have a hard time explaining to people on Monday exactly what I did on Saturday night.

Posted by: vivi at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (11H2y)

Posted by: Coach Cannibal Bobs Long Pork Diet at September 23, 2017 09:58 PM (dCikz)

I always just say, oh, you know, worked on my hunny-do list.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2017 10:02 PM (T/7Cm)

595 I know it's a poor reflection on me, but I would love to see well done trailers for a lot of these films.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 23, 2017 10:03 PM (H5knJ)

596 the thin red line between love and hateful 8 is enough

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2017 10:03 PM (AxFdW)

597 Vampire's Kiss Me Kate

Posted by: Pandora's Box aka gumdrop gorilla at September 23, 2017 10:04 PM (I0I+D)

598 40 Also everyone: got copies finally of Mulholland Drive and The Conversation, based on all your raves.

Posted by: qdpsteve

I thought that movie was horrible. A disjointed mess. With a crappy ending on top. I want my 90+ minutes back, dammit.

But I've watched the Kill Bills 3 or 4 times. Good stuff there.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 23, 2017 10:05 PM (0ogQG)

599 How times has Red Dawn of the Dead been posted?

Posted by: Jack Sock at September 23, 2017 10:10 PM (LuKE7)

600 As always, I used to love movies but when the Movie Thread is posted, I am rendered silent.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 23, 2017 10:50 PM (l9m7l)

601 See, from a storytelling point of view, Kill Bill was pretty bad in a lot of ways. Primarily because you never really are invested in any of the characters, especially The Bride. Aside from being a killing machine, she's not really very interesting or sympathetic. Part of that is because Uma is a terrible actress, part of it is because the dialog and behavior of the other characters doesn't match her (they keep treating a rather plain woman as the 'most beautiful woman on earth'). But mostly its because Tarantino is doing a Samurai/Man With No Name style story but with a woman.

What works to make a man interesting and likable doesn't work with a woman. So just swapping out the genders fails in its basic task of making you give a crap how things play out for the character. She was a cardboard cutout, a stand in doing the stunts but irrelevant to the story at large. Even delivering Tarantino's lines she doesn't really resonate at all.

And ultimately, Bill is played up as the worst man on earth, but honestly he doesn't come across that way. He comes across as no worse than the people he works with or hires. He's bad, but not so bad that a man comes out of retirement to make the ultimate sword for. And honestly, that entire sequence was pretty much padding. The sword was irrelevant, as much as it was played up. It was just a sword, in the end. No better or worse than any other.

Kill Bill was not bad, but it wasn't particularly good either. It was significantly longer than it needed to be - a problem Tarantino has suffered with more every film he makes - and was very full of its self. As Ace would say, it insists upon its self.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2017 10:51 PM (39g3+)

602 Wow. What a wasted movie thread.

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2017 10:54 PM (XlF/h)

603 The Hateful Eight was his worst movie. They set it up that it would be all strangers and it would be a mystery. Turns out, everyone one each other and everyone at Cabin when they got there were the bad guys.

Posted by: rexbatt at September 23, 2017 11:13 PM (PrdV6)

604 Quentin Tarantino needs an editor very badly, but for a lot of Hollywood directors, the more successful and established they get, the more they think they know best and editors get in the way. A good editor is even more important than a good director, they are the ones that truly build the story. Ignoring them can really hurt your work.

There are only a few directors who can edit their own stuff effectively such as Hitchcock and Scorcese, and they not coincidentally are some of the best directors in existence. Tarantino is entertaining but he is NOT Hitch or Scorcese.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2017 11:33 PM (39g3+)

605 It's a chopper, baby.

Posted by: Fritz at September 23, 2017 11:34 PM (z74gh)

606 Fuck it......
The Searchers.....

Greatest Western Ever. Hands down.

The other contenders fall short in comparison, (although some come close)......

Magnificent Films transcend......regardless of their pedigree.

All the Best Y'all, Y'all deserve it.
HBK

Posted by: Hillbillyking at September 24, 2017 02:11 AM (toZO/)

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