EMT 09/23/17 Just say No edition.

A little Saturday morning salt:

Fuck you Arizona, and all the rest of you cancy-ass, incumbent protecting at all cost voters.

How's all that sneering at principled voting and beating that drum of getting the best candidate that can "win" paying off? Got-damn but wouldn't a President "I'll complete that danged fence" McCain have been just the conservative bulwark that would turn the tide?

There has always been one simple solution to the problem. You vote for the person who best represents your values. If there are no candidates who represent enough of the values you hold dear, you should never fear abstaining.

The Left will burn itself out and eat its own, win or lose. The Right simply has to demonstrate a better alternative to their anarchy, in or out of power.

This is the 2nd time in my life I have watched the Right gain the White House and the Senate and House, and utterly waste it if one were to place any credence in their campaign promises.

You cannot beat the darkness by pretending it doesn't exist. It only gains strength when people simply pull the blinds to hide its encroachment. When those people are no longer in charge of the strings, the blinds come back up and the shadows are still there, roused again, indignant at the temporary pause, and more hungry than ever.

If a candidate is so obviously contemptuous of your values as, say John McCain whose blank and pitiless gaze ought to be a dead got-damned giveaway, you don't support his or her poisonous contempt with your vote just to keep someone else out of office.

This is the primary reason why the ratchet in this country has and still continues to turn in one direction. Republicans far too often see winning the election as a the job. So, we see professional campaigners whose singular strategy is to demonstrate "electability", and what few principles they do espouse are simply different words they tell to different people to get a vote.

Every time they come back with their hands outstretched and the threat that "this time it's the end of the world if you don't say yes," and "We promise to keep our promises and this time we we mean it, if you Just. Say. Yes.".

What has that gotten us?

How many of you really think continuing to do the same thing is going to achieve a different end than that which comes slouching towards us down that comfortable and familiar path?

Saying "NO" will set you free.

and Yes, I am angry and bitter so, Yeats.

Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM

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1 Good Morning Morons: Today is Saturday, September 23, 2017. On this day in 2002 the first public version of the web browser Mozilla Firefox ("Phoenix 0.1") was released to the public and a popular alternative to Microsnot Internet Explorer was available.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

2 Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 05:59 AM (ghofu)

3 President Trump rallied with his Alabama supporters on Friday evening for more than an hour in a last-ditch effort to push incumbent Sen. Luther Strange across the finish line in next week's tight Republican runoff.

Tight runoff??? Last I saw Moore was ahead by double digits. I don't believe polls but Faux has nothing to base this "tight runoff" statement on.

http://tinyurl.com/y9yr3jum

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

4 Meanwhile Ben Carson is endorsing Moore.

http://tinyurl.com/ya25l2of

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

5 Former CNN idiot now with Faux News is blaming Trump for placing the Fat Crazy Man into a corner instead of maintaining the all nice 'Strategic Patience' doctrine of Obama. And this guy is supposed to be a conservative??? Hello you idiot, that kind crap along with the Clinton stupid basket ball diplomacy and bribes is what got us here. Just more evidence that Faux is pushing left now.

http://tinyurl.com/y87ur2kh

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:01 AM (mpXpK)

6 If McCain wants a fence I don't see many Democrats screaming for one.

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 06:01 AM (ghofu)

7
The asshole who kidnapped, raped and murdered that nursing student in TN was found guilty yesterday and now will go into the sentencing phase today. He could get the death penalty and I hope he does. But even if he does it would be at least 10 years thanks to shitty courts before it is carried out. It has already been 6 years since he did the heinous deed.

http://tinyurl.com/yde656el

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:01 AM (mpXpK)

8 Some people are finally waking up to Mueller's shit, besides us here at AOSHQ.

http://tinyurl.com/yaclclq9

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:01 AM (mpXpK)

9 There has been hacking of voter registration (but that is not the actual voting machines).

Election officials in 21 states have been notified by the Department of Homeland Security that hackers targeted voter registration systems ahead of last year's presidential election.

In most cases, the systems were not breached. A small number of networks were compromised, but those affected were not involved in the actual tallying of votes. In most of the states, the targeting involved preparatory activity, such as scanning computer systems.

The states targeted are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

http://tinyurl.com/y76l2xjo

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:02 AM (mpXpK)

10 Did you know today is National Fishing and Hunting Day? No; I didn't either. I gave up on hunting after I moved here. Everything is posted. As for fishing since I didn't buy the boat I wanted when I retired the only time I get to fish is when I go down to GA to visit family.

http://tinyurl.com/mmbszg

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:02 AM (mpXpK)

11
Latest on hurricane Maria. Still not expected to make landfall.

http://tinyurl.com/ybgx2apf

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:02 AM (mpXpK)

12 Trump's temporary travel ban is set to expire tomorrow and DHS is recommending a new round that is more tailored to specific countries. I say the original 6 muzzie death cult places should be made permanent, they can add more as needed. Also I say Trump should be working to get those Democrat political black robes like the one in HI off the bench and disbarred.

http://tinyurl.com/ycrhbkox

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:03 AM (mpXpK)

13 Man going to NJ with guns to rescue a teen from an illegal drug den is going to go to jail thanks to NJ's draconian abuse of the Second Amendment and a shitty judge. If he had been an illegal he would have got off with a warning.

http://tinyurl.com/ycbhtlg5

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:03 AM (mpXpK)

14 With McShitty's no vote on Graham's Repubocare bill it is effectively dead. That gives two definite no's and two likely no's from DIABLOs Kommie Collins and MooKow. Everyone of these assholes should be stripped of all committee assignments and cast into a let's ignore them hell. Of course MooKow will switch Party's again to her true calling; Democrat. Once again McKonehead can not control his Senators.

http://tinyurl.com/ybuvhl2v

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:03 AM (mpXpK)

15 Meanwhile more and more State Obamacare programs are failing or going into record high premium costs or just closing up altogether. I got my notice yesterday for changes in my Supplement F gap coverage from AARP/United Healthcare. Yes, a 22% increase in monthly premiums and higher deductibles on my drugs. Thank you RINOs and DIABLOs. But I had also heard that with the old Repubocare bill my premiums would be increasing anyway. Don't know what they will do under the Grahamnasty bill but I would bet they will go up a lot in the end.

http://tinyurl.com/y7atu9o2

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:03 AM (mpXpK)

16 How stupid can you get? Evidently in NYC now with their commie mayor you can get pretty stupid. They plan on giving mass vasectomies to male deer on Staten Island. Why not open it up to hunting with bows or buckshot. I know high powered rifles probably would not be appropriate but the others should be OK.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ffs9nd

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:04 AM (mpXpK)

17 Break out the popcorn for some blue on blue fun. Corrupt Comey shouted down by militant black power assholes at "traditionally black" Howard University.

http://tinyurl.com/y7yfnv6s

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:04 AM (mpXpK)

18 And they saw motor voter laws won't lead to illegals voting
Legalinsurrection -Philadelphia had hundreds of illegal voters in the last decade
http://tinyurl.com/y9pbczdn

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 06:06 AM (ghofu)

19 A "glitch" allows non-citizens to vote in Philly.

Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt says a glitch in the state's "motor-voter" process has allowed non-U.S. citizens to register to vote, even though he thinks they did so accidentally.

Does he actually expect us to believe that shit? Recall two days ago I posted that they had found at least 90 of these HAD voted and I thought that was a low-ball number. And "accidentally" makes no sense either when the federal motor-voter form has large text red print that says you must be a citizen on it. And this Al Schmidt toad is supposed to be a Republican too.

http://tinyurl.com/y8zgarma

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:06 AM (mpXpK)

20 BB gives 7 things the MFM doesn't want you to know about Repubocare. It looks like they are in favor of it as being the "best we can do now and a lot better than Obamacare".

http://tinyurl.com/yalnm8yq

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:06 AM (mpXpK)

21 Corrupt trunk ballot winner Al Frakencommie sounds off on Repubocare.

http://tinyurl.com/y9xw742p

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:07 AM (mpXpK)

22 Political Pope sounds off on his no borders wish. Has anybody ever asked him about Jesus' call to "Render unto Caesar. . ."?

http://tinyurl.com/y7ocbrbj

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:07 AM (mpXpK)

23 DC: Five stories the MFM killed this week.

http://tinyurl.com/y9n9kth4

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:07 AM (mpXpK)

24 Far left goons will do anything to oppose Trump, including supporting the Nork's insane fat man.

http://tinyurl.com/y94zjbjv

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:08 AM (mpXpK)

25 The communist ACLU is suing the St Louis police for using "chemical weapons" on those rioters. Were they using mustard gas or some other banned shit? No, it was common pepper spray. I'm sure they will go judge shopping for an Obamanite or Clinton black robe.

http://tinyurl.com/yabnhrrs

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:08 AM (mpXpK)

26 Despite his backstab McShitty and Grahamnasty are still butt buddies.

http://tinyurl.com/yc8oqq2d

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:08 AM (mpXpK)

27 IBD calls for The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to be shut down. I agree, this was another huge bureaucracy passed by a 60 vote Senate majority Democrat congress in Obama's first days and like all Democrat bills it is a total POS.

http://tinyurl.com/ycoslf74

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:09 AM (mpXpK)

28 IBD shows why these polls used by the MFM to attack Trump's tax cut plan are BS. But they leave off one important thing. Polls used by the MFM are always biased heavily in favor of Democrats.

http://tinyurl.com/y9g3kaj2

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:09 AM (mpXpK)

29 TX has gone to the 5th circuit court of appeals to get them to override the stupid political ruling by a Clinton black robe to block their new law that bans sanctuary cities in TX. I asked it before, but how in the Hell can you ban a State law that requires you to follow the federal law?

http://tinyurl.com/yatad2kr

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:09 AM (mpXpK)

30 Ramirez (repeat)

http://tinyurl.com/zerexd5

And that's it for today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:09 AM (mpXpK)

31 And on a side note Windows 10 decided on it's own to switch all my old Excel spreadsheets over to the newer Office 2016 programs which came installed as "introductory" use with my computer. I can't figure out how to switch it back or how to delete this BS introductory program. The delete command takes me to that old list of programs to choose from for removal and neither office 2015 nor Exel 2015 is on there. When I go to actual shortcut links to choose the operating program it can't find Excel 2000 which I did load on the computer. Any of the windows 10 Morons here got any clues?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:11 AM (mpXpK)

32 There has always been one simple solution to the problem. You vote for
the person who best represents your values. If there are no candidates
who represent enough of the values you hold dear, you should never fear abstaining.

And that's what I did last time. And it sickens me to know I went down and stood in line IN THE RAIN to vote for McShitty in 2008. never again.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:13 AM (mpXpK)

33 Thanks for the news, vic.

Righteous rant, krak.

Is Vegas aflame? National guard called out, yet?

Posted by: Soonobi at September 23, 2017 06:14 AM (tbOMB)

34 This is the 2nd time in my life I have watched the Right gain the White
House and the Senate and House, and utterly waste it if one were to
place any credence in their campaign promises.

Evidently the "right" didn't gain the Senate, the Republicans did. We have no Party.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:14 AM (mpXpK)

35 "There has always been one simple solution to the problem. You vote for
the person who best represents your values. If there are no candidates
who represent enough of the values you hold dear, you should never fear abstaining."

I did exactly that (I refused to cast a vote, and voted "none of the above") and was verbally crucified for saying I would no longer throw my vote to a candidate I didn't believe in.

As for McCain, it has been all about him since the day he use his daddy's clout to become a pilot when the instructor insisted he did not have the aptitude for such an important function in the military. McCain killed men with his incompetence behind the stick, then killed more with his signing of a false confession that better men refuse to put their names to. I won't write his sordid biography here, but he is someone deserving to be president just about as much as Hillary is. He assumed it was his turn, and now his hatred of Trump will kill the Obamacare repeal the same way Kennedy's hatred of Nixon killed the universal care bill in the 70's.

Posted by: SGTYork at September 23, 2017 06:15 AM (ITvKk)

36 Sorry, vic. No Win 10 help. I am jumping ship after my Vista box kicks the bucket (11 years and running). *knocks wood*

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 23, 2017 06:17 AM (tbOMB)

37 Mcshitty is probably seeing a lot of GOPers buying him drinks as his actions keep them from having to jump on the grenade of being "The deciding vote" as their COC masters demand.

'18 is going to be a bad election cycle for the GOPE as I don't think krakatoa is alone in the "burn these backstabbing basterds to the ground."

Posted by: Bete the deplorable at September 23, 2017 06:20 AM (Ojki1)

38
McStain has adult oppositional defiant disorder. If the Viet Cong couldn't beat it out of him, President Trump can't expect otherwise.

You have to trick him. Trump should call him on the phone and say, "John I really need you to vote No on this repeal bill."

John will tell him to get fvcked and vote yes.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 23, 2017 06:22 AM (EgwCt)

39 36
Sorry, vic. No Win 10 help. I am jumping ship after my Vista box kicks the bucket (11 years and running). *knocks wood*

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 23, 2017 06:17 AM (tbOMB)

I was running XP on my old machine. It was damn easy to set which program opened a file on XP.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:22 AM (mpXpK)

40 Still having troubles with updates Vic?

I got so frustrated that I just disabled them. Once I get another 128 gig thumb drive and finish backing up my files, its back to win 7.

Posted by: the guy across the street at September 23, 2017 06:24 AM (sf2BM)

41 40
Still having troubles with updates Vic?

I got so frustrated that I just disabled them. Once I get another
128 gig thumb drive and finish backing up my files, its back to win 7.

Posted by: the guy across the street at September 23, 2017 06:24 AM (sf2BM)

Nah, I have updates turned off. Did that just about as soon as I could figure out how to do it. That is another thing that was easy to do in XP and you had to go around your elbow to do it in 10.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:25 AM (mpXpK)

42
Any of the windows 10 Morons here got any clues?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:11 AM (mpXpK)

Sorry, Vic. I tolerated MicroSoft from Windows 1.a through Windows 7. When the blue screens of death began I jumped ship to Ubuntu.

There are probably third party free software that opens your Excel files though. So it's not a total loss.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 23, 2017 06:26 AM (EgwCt)

43 What I had to do this morning to open a common Exel spread sheet I have been tracking my "GAINZ" on was open the old Exel program first and then use it to open the file. Whereas I had been just clicking on the file shortcut and it auto-opened in the old Exel.

If the new Exel wasn't a Microsnot "Loaner" I would probably be glad to use it. But I am not paying a shit-ton of money for something that isn't any better than the old program. It ised to be when you bought a new computer you could elect to get that office crap for free. But no more. Gates wasn't making enough money.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:29 AM (mpXpK)

44 I use Open Office to view what few excel files cross my path. Don't know if you can create or modify them.

I've never had the need.

Posted by: the guy across the street at September 23, 2017 06:35 AM (sf2BM)

45 @16

It's even more stupid than that.
I'm gonna presume it's a ton many deer problem.
And they're going to go after the bucks instead of the does to solve this?
**shakes head**
City folk.

Posted by: teej at September 23, 2017 06:39 AM (l1wsb)

46 too many

Posted by: teej at September 23, 2017 06:40 AM (l1wsb)

47
The funniest part is that they don't know if it will lead to *more* automobile accidents as the non-knocked-up doe run around all sexy like, enticing the males into a rampage.

Auto body shops will have a field day. So to speak.

Paying the freaking deductible after tagging a deer with your car is no fun.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 23, 2017 06:44 AM (EgwCt)

48 I finally found office2000 with the old Exel. I told it to use that as default program and it still goes to the office 2016 "loaner". I'll try saving a copy in Open Office and using that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:46 AM (mpXpK)

49 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 23, 2017 06:48 AM (KCxzN)

50 I effin' agree. McCain is screwing the country on his mission of pseudostatesmanship. He's right: this abomination was passed by ramming it through on a party line vote combined with gamesmanship. That's how it should be repealed, to send the message that you shouldn't pass significant, unpopular legislation via chicanery. Then and only then can we try thru bipartisanship.

I regret my volunteering in '08 to fly from WA to FL in order to help his candidacy. I talked to a lot of GOP voters trying to GOTV. Couldn't believe how masny were so mad at W's blowing up the budget that they were going to stay home, to protest GOP unseriousness on spending. McCain is creating another large chunk of alienated GOP voters through his stupidity.

Posted by: ObiJohnKenobe at September 23, 2017 06:50 AM (sASR0)

51 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 06:29

Thanks Vic for posting the news. Just popped on here to tell yall none of us in Vegas have been arrested so far.

Absolutely great bunch of folks to meet, It's been a swell time. Sleep beckons.

Posted by: Farmer at September 23, 2017 06:54 AM (fXlrW)

52 They'll just dine out on Gorsuch for the next election cycle.

Posted by: Very Undude at September 23, 2017 06:54 AM (2X7pN)

53 Good morning!

Let's smile and be happy and strike fear in the heart of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 23, 2017 06:59 AM (hyuyC)

54 Too many gawd damn Yankees and Kalifornicators have
moved to AZ. That state is fucked.

Posted by: Under Fire at September 23, 2017 07:05 AM (mcI77)

55 Morning all

Is Paris Burning?

Is McShit dead yet?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2017 07:06 AM (sjlXj)

56 Vic, your links were most appreciated.

Sorry for your Win10 issues. I use a Mac, and regretted having to update to 10.12.4 to do on-line banking. But I still using Office products from 2011.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 23, 2017 07:06 AM (hyuyC)

57 Nevergiveup

Some cars in Paris are always burning, these days.

NCCain, alas, is still with us. I told my good Federal Senator in 2010 to get rid of McCain.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 23, 2017 07:08 AM (hyuyC)

58 NCCain it's five year mission to fuck up in every possible way and to explore more possibilities of failure.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 23, 2017 07:10 AM (hyuyC)

59 John McStainz blank and pitiless gaze, lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes, until he bites you...

Posted by: Captain Quint at September 23, 2017 07:12 AM (EATOD)

60 NGU - if the question was
Is Paris Dead?
McShit ears burning?

I'd say yes

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:12 AM (ghofu)

61 The problem with John Mccain and the Arizona voters is our open primary system. The democrats are voting for him in the primary and not a democrat because why not. During the primary he floods the radio with ads non stop and the LIVs believe his lies. He also owns the state GOPe and you can't get around them. I hate him.

Posted by: muchas buchas at September 23, 2017 07:13 AM (a9+Wq)

62 It's the tumah!

Posted by: McCain's Brain at September 23, 2017 07:17 AM (bc2Lc)

63 Aren't we still boycotting Arizona because they something something? And Indiana and North Carolina?

These are bad states. Bad, bad states. Boycott!

Posted by: FireHorse at September 23, 2017 07:19 AM (zkGZ8)

64
25 The communist ACLU is suing the St Louis police for using "chemical weapons" on those rioters. Were they using mustard gas or some other banned shit? No, it was common pepper spray.

Lead is a chemical. Perhaps they should pray that the police don't alter their restraint further.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 23, 2017 07:21 AM (pNxlR)

65 Some people say the death penalty is barbaric. So what, cold blooded murder is too. I don't want to pay to keep some worthless piece of crap in storage for 95 years.

Posted by: freaked at September 23, 2017 07:22 AM (UdKB7)

66 G'mornin' Horde !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at September 23, 2017 07:24 AM (Z8R9P)

67
It seems to me that the GOPe's mass mailings to me to appeal for $$$ via their childish voter polls have dropped off since I switched my voting affiliation to "undeclared" back in April. Candidates from the same to whom Idobated back in '10 and '12 haven't caught up yet, but I suspect they never will.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 23, 2017 07:30 AM (pNxlR)

68 Everyone of these assholes should be stripped of all committee assignments and cast into a let's ignore them hell.

This, Vic. Exactly this. McConehead may not be able to do much else to these assholes, but he *could* take away their goodies. And he could, theoretically at least, vow to support primary challengers via the Senate Pac. Ha ha, I keel myself, picturing McTurtleFace supporting the more conservative candidate.

Gee, remember when Boner and his cabal of GOPers stripped every Tea Party member from their committee assignments, back around 2012 or so? The Dems as well have always been willing to do the same, to keep members in line. McConnell couldn't herd a fart to the surface of a tub of water.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 23, 2017 07:32 AM (0ogQG)

69 I continue to wonder what the tipping point looks like. I believe that Trump for all his wealth, power, and yes his foibles is as close to a normal person in terms of understanding the people of this country we have had since RR. He has to be as stunned as we all are at how deep the corruption is and realizing Leviathan cannot be slain. What to do?

Posted by: ramajama at September 23, 2017 07:33 AM (UH7fg)

70 McConnell couldn't herd a fart to the surface of a tub of water.
Posted by: GnuBreed

When they do rise, he will try to bite the bubbles

Posted by: Bruce at September 23, 2017 07:34 AM (8ikIW)

71 Is it possible to get an organized effort of real Americans going --- to unseat The most egregious GOPe flakes and replace them in 2018? Are folks mad enough to get off the couch and do something? It's how Trump got elected.

Posted by: AnnaS at September 23, 2017 07:34 AM (l4l/z)

72 I have to use Windows 10 on my work laptop. Not allowed to change it. But I've never had that problem.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 23, 2017 07:37 AM (ul9CR)

73 Well I'm back from my weekly call.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 07:38 AM (mpXpK)

74 I missed the ONT but yea ponco liners are great. I had my Dad's he brought back from Nam for years until it disappeared. I got another one about 20 years ago but it was not quite the same as dad's. It still gets used a lot though. Never called it a woobie either that sounds ghey.

Posted by: freaked at September 23, 2017 07:39 AM (UdKB7)

75 >>> Well I'm back from my weekly call.

'Bout time!

Posted by: Vic's thirsty neighbor at September 23, 2017 07:41 AM (U0v/A)

76 Trump! just tweeted...

Jeez John, after this vote I hope you finally get the negatives back too!!

No, not really. But he should

Posted by: Bruce at September 23, 2017 07:42 AM (8ikIW)

77 Win10 sucks ass. Microsoft made me hate them.

Posted by: freaked at September 23, 2017 07:43 AM (UdKB7)

78 There are US government issued items I still have and use often, now almost 40 years out. My cold weather helmet liners ( have 2) are my absolute favorite.

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:43 AM (ghofu)

79 63 Aren't we still boycotting Arizona because they something something? And Indiana and North Carolina?

These are bad states. Bad, bad states. Boycott!
Posted by: FireHorse

Meh. I still have tentative plans next May for a golf trip in Pinehurst NC.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 23, 2017 07:44 AM (ZTBWb)

80 Well, I for one am confident we will have a Senator Roy Moore (C-Constitution) Alabama in the Senate soon. With Ted Cruz, that would make 2 Americans at least.

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2017 07:46 AM (zLDYs)

81 I went to Linux years ago.

Every new iteration of Windows sounds like a mess.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2017 07:48 AM (oVJmc)

82 We are not voting our way out of our predicament....

...and Amy Freeze is a babe.

WOW!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at September 23, 2017 07:49 AM (9A6UB)

83 Nice rant krak.

So does McCain's opposition to Graham's bill mean their erotic relationship is over? Or is it merely separation anxiety?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 23, 2017 07:50 AM (EZebt)

84 So does McCain's opposition to Graham's bill mean their erotic relationship is over?

Just hand stuff now

Posted by: Bruce at September 23, 2017 07:52 AM (8ikIW)

85 Speaking of farts in the bathtub, they are more popular than McConnell, who is polling at 18% in Kentucky according to The Hill. He's the least popular politico in the US.

krak's rant is heartfelt, but the problem is you get 6 years of Dem Senator torture just to make a point. Take Lizzy Warpath Warren, who in her first term helped shove thru that piece of crap CFPB, among several other clusterfucks.

The place to fight for GAINZZ is in the primary. I damn well begged my parents to support McDaniel over Thad The Cockroach, to no avail. Le sigh.

But I'm NEVER voting for a Dem again. They're so far Left now that I'd rather vote for Stalin.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 23, 2017 07:52 AM (0ogQG)

86 Just like motor voter laws lead illegals to vote, any attemps for 'DACA' recipients to be unable to vote will only lead to them voting. What citizen won't be able to vote?

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2017 07:53 AM (ghofu)

87 Well I made the default program for opening both of my frequent Exel files Open Office. Only problem was one of them came up a read only and could not change it. So save it w/Open Off under a new name and turned that shit off and problem appears to be fixed. If I click on the file name now OO opens it by default. I guess I will have to get used to the vagaries of that program now.

Yeah, Windows 10 sucks.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 07:53 AM (mpXpK)

88 And on a side note Windows 10 decided on it's own to switch all my old
Excel spreadsheets over to the newer Office 2016 programs which came
installed as "introductory" use with my computer. I can't figure out how
to switch it back or how to delete this BS introductory program. The
delete command takes me to that old list of programs to choose from for
removal and neither office 2015 nor Exel 2015 is on there. When I go to
actual shortcut links to choose the operating program it can't find
Excel 2000 which I did load on the computer. Any of the windows 10
Morons here got any clues?

Vic, are you sure it's Office 2015 you had? Office 2013 was the last release. And Office 2000 probably won't play nice with a Windows 10 computer. It's too old.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2017 07:54 AM (Tyii7)

89 83 So does McCain's opposition to Graham's bill mean their erotic relationship is over? Or is it merely separation anxiety?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 23, 2017 07:50 AM (EZebt)

See links at beginning. They are still butt buddies.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 07:55 AM (mpXpK)

90 I love seeing that everyone across the spectrum hates Comey, but no one seems to know why black students are protesting him. Do they just fear the Giant?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2017 07:57 AM (oVJmc)

91
I've been back and forth between Windows and Ubuntu for years. Finally settled on Ubuntu again. No drama. Just a rock-solid OS that gives me everything I want.

Hackers don't seem to have a taste for it, so that's a decided advantage. There's a decided cost advantage, too. Free.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 23, 2017 07:57 AM (EgwCt)

92 It would be nice if the libertarians could pull their heads out of their asses and mount a serious campaign.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 23, 2017 08:00 AM (BoMuO)

93 88 Vic, are you sure it's Office 2015 you had? Office
2013 was the last release. And Office 2000 probably won't play nice with
a Windows 10 computer. It's too old.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2017 07:54 AM (Tyii7)

Word2000 would not run on win 10 but I was having no problems with files in the old Exel2000 until today. Now may was well remove Office 2000 because nothing in it is working now. Its free OO from here on out. I wish I could figure out how to delete that intro Office 2016. I may try going in using Explorer and simply deleting the whole directory.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 08:00 AM (mpXpK)

94 At the bare minimum, I swear to God, I would like to see someone knock the smug off of that shit-weasel McCain's face.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 23, 2017 08:01 AM (7m3t8)

95 Per Newsweek,

The Trump administration is drafting a new policy to quickly deport more than 150,000 child migrants from Central America who arrived alone in the U.S. illegally, creating a new class of undocumented migrants.

The Department of Justice and Homeland Security is drawing up a policy proposal in a series of memos, according to two sources with knowledge of the internal debate who spoke to the Miami Herald.

You can read a bit more about this at Free Republic, without giving Newsweek a click:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3588117/posts

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 23, 2017 08:01 AM (0ogQG)

96 91

I've been back and forth between Windows and Ubuntu for years.
Finally settled on Ubuntu again. No drama. Just a rock-solid OS that
gives me everything I want.

Hackers don't seem to have a taste for it, so that's a decided advantage. There's a decided cost advantage, too. Free.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 23, 2017 07:57 AM (EgwCt)

Did you have to reformat the hard drive to load Ubuntu? When I was looking a loading Win 7 it looked like you had to do that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 08:02 AM (mpXpK)

97 Also for the record, the Graham Cassidy bill is not all I would want but it's probably the best we could hope for at this time.

It does several good things least of which gets rid of the mandate and eliminates the mecicare expansion, etc.

But no.

The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 23, 2017 08:02 AM (9A6UB)

98 I don't vote for the candidate that represents my values because that's too vulnerable to lying. Any candidate can mouth the words.

Instead I vote for the candidate that will steer the country in a direction I want it to go. Often that's only a numbers game: how much of X party is in control of Y to balance out Z? How many openings on the Supreme Court are expected to open up within X years? Sometimes more is on offer, sometimes less. McCain was Less.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at September 23, 2017 08:02 AM (z2W2E)

99 I don't get all this hate for McStain's action on the Repubocare bill. It's not like that backstabbing MFer was ever gonna play along to begin with. If you thought that you are a special kind of stupid.

He's there till he dies and he knows it so his attitude is "fuck you". And even if that spineless turd, Mitch the Bitch were to can him from his committee leadership position, he'd just switch parties officially. These guys don't give two shits about anything except keeping the gravy train rolling and keeping their seats in the diner car.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 23, 2017 08:03 AM (s28y4)

100 I guess Sen John McCain (POS-AZ) wants to make sure his daughter gets that gig on The View.

Posted by: Nunya at September 23, 2017 08:04 AM (aWuiO)

101 Krakatoa--I agree with every word you wrote here. Every. Word.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at September 23, 2017 08:04 AM (TdMsT)

102 I may try going in using Explorer and simply deleting the whole directory.

Vic, I would advise against that. You should always uninstall a program from the Control Panel. If you delete the physical files, the program's "hooks" are still left in the Windows registry. Deleting the files can really make your computer unstable.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2017 08:05 AM (Tyii7)

103 'I may try going in using Explorer and simply deleting the whole directory'

Don't do that Vic. Rename it first and if it doesn't break anything then move it to a backup folder for deletion later.

Posted by: freaked at September 23, 2017 08:05 AM (UdKB7)

104 Mix this, krakatoa ... I'd love to sing this OUT LOUD!
Thank you.

Posted by: Crabby at September 23, 2017 08:05 AM (yPsTs)

105 Did you have to reformat the hard drive to load Ubuntu? When I was looking a loading Win 7 it looked like you had to do that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 08:02 AM (mpXpK)

I don't think so. Windows was removed. I handed computer to son, who downloaded Ubuntu to flash drive on another computer, then installed from that. Five minutes, maybe ten, start to finish.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 23, 2017 08:05 AM (EgwCt)

106 What BFD said too. Uninstall properly if possible.

Posted by: freaked at September 23, 2017 08:06 AM (UdKB7)

107 True enough, but what follows? I don't expect - ever - to get people who actually represent my own views, which I doubt are shared by 1% of the population. ("We are the 0.2%!"). I'll agree that McC and Flake* have gone beyond the pale.

But there are other cases. I have a friend who retired to Maine. He hates Collins, but did vote for her, as the best Maine could do, and he thought having a Senate majority was important. (Yes, he's not so sure now, but that's Kentucky's fault; the point survives. I was familiar with this point growing up in NY. During all that time, we got one (1) term of a genuinely good Senator.)

But we all know what McCain (doesn't that name mean "son of Cain"?) is, and know what to expect. As with Anthony Kennedy, we just have to cross our fingers and hope that he has exactly the correct balance of boogers in his nostrils to make him vote right for a change.

The one I don't get here is Paul. I have another friend ("You have two friends, George? I'd never have expected that.") who was deeply involved in actual campaign/primary type politics. He said that the one thing you could count on with libertarians was that they would screw you and break agreements. Always. It was just a matter of when, and on which "principle" they'd justify their betrayal. This despite the fact that he's - ideologically - pretty close to libertarian to this day. E.g., though supporting Trump, he won't budge on many issues like antitrust, immigration, or trade, AT THE LEVEL OF THEORY. He says he accepts that he's getting half a loaf, but then, that's half a loaf in hand, so he'll take it.

One biggie for me, and both the above mentioned friends is his driving the commie media to destroy themselves. Remember just a while ago that girl who was convicted for getting her crazy boyfriend to kill himself? She was a harbinger of Trump vs CNN. But what Trump is doing is perfectly legal, despite what Brianna Stelter and Ms Acosta say.

*Nice that he doesn't need a nicknamed, although "Snake" does work.

Posted by: George LeS at September 23, 2017 08:07 AM (+TcCF)

108 Term limits. Nobody is so important that we "need" them in office. One term. That's it. Go home.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 23, 2017 08:08 AM (BoMuO)

109 Vic, here is a link to an MS page that may help you uninstall 2016. Notice that there is a second option on the page that points to an MS utility for troublesome uninstalls. I advise caution though and I would first try to discover if I can open my existing files with Excel 2000, by first running 2000 and then browsing to one (or more!) of my files.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mnjtha7

Posted by: goon at September 23, 2017 08:10 AM (EaQ6/)

110 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 23, 2017 08:08 AM (BoMuO)

*fistbump* And no bennies or pensions. Scrimp and save and buy your own stuff like the folks you represent.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 23, 2017 08:10 AM (s28y4)

111 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 23, 2017 08:11 AM (EyPfd)

112 Rand Paul knows that if this "fix" passed that would be it. The Republicans would own it, the fix wouldn't fix anything, and in 2 years when the whole thing is still crumbling the answer would be "We tried it the democrat way, we tried it the republican way, both failed. Now we need single payer, it is the only way out of this mess."

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 23, 2017 08:12 AM (BoMuO)

113
Anyone here have any experience running a snow plow off a lawn tractor? I'm tempted. Latest tractor is 18 hp.

The more that the leftists scream AGW the colder and snowier my winters get. Getting too old to shovel 4,000 sq feet of driveway.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 23, 2017 08:14 AM (EgwCt)

114 Hmmmm Krakatoa ? ~ they make decaffeinated brands pretty good now . . . you might want to check that out.

That being said, I agree completely, McCain's position? That we can't do "something" about Obamacare unless it includes the Democrats is so breathtakingly stupid and disgustingly disingenuous that it defies even my own image of politicians ( whom I consider to be a few steps below child molesters). What do I wish on McCain? Well perhaps this scene will give you an idea ~ it's from the untouchables:

https://tinyurl.com/ya2uxld3

Posted by: Publius Redux at September 23, 2017 08:15 AM (UOr6C)

115 I am of the opinion that McCain did not stab Miss Lindsay in the back. This was orchestrated between them, knowing that if McCain, having nothing to lose, said he would vote no that it would give cover to other ones like Murkowski and Miss Lindsay could shore up his shaky base by being able to say "Look how hard I tried!" while knowing all the while it was doomed to failure.

Yeah, I'm woke.

Posted by: cfo mom at September 23, 2017 08:20 AM (RfzVr)

116 Kill The CSR's and send the bill to McCain

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at September 23, 2017 08:22 AM (YrDFq)

117 Can a member of Congress be recalled? Short answer-- No.

http://dailysignal.com/2010/02/02/can-u-s-senators-be-recalled/

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 23, 2017 08:23 AM (0ogQG)

118 I think I figured out how to delete it using the program delete feature. The problem was the menu for launching it called it Office2016 and the delete program calls it Office365.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 08:23 AM (mpXpK)

119 Nood

Mis Hum w/ Weird News.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 23, 2017 08:24 AM (hyuyC)

120 If there are no candidates who represent enough of the values you hold dear, you should never fear abstaining.

Posted by: Krakatoa
________

Yes! Thank you. I've long ago tired of people saying "Oh, you have to vote. You just have to!" Bullcrap. I'm not going to watch the least bad television show that's on right now, I'm not going to drink the least bad cup of coffee, and I'm not going to spend my days working the least bad job I can find. I'm not going to occupy my mind with concerns that total strangers with absolutely no regard for my well-being deem worthy of my "awareness." Life is too short, and today is even shorter, and I waste too much of both as it is. So with all due respect to all these politicians (with emphasis on the word "due" iykwimaittyd) they have my sincerest invitation to take a long walk off a short pier.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 23, 2017 08:25 AM (zkGZ8)

121 109
Vic, here is a link to an MS page that may help you uninstall 2016.
Notice that there is a second option on the page that points to an MS
utility for troublesome uninstalls. I advise caution though and I would
first try to discover if I can open my existing files with Excel 2000,
by first running 2000 and then browsing to one (or more!) of my files.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mnjtha7

Posted by: goon at September 23, 2017 08:10 AM (EaQ6/)

Oh I could open Exel2000 first then use it to open the file but that is double work. I will try the direct click again after I delete Office-365

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 08:26 AM (mpXpK)

122 Rand Paul knows that if this "fix" passed that would
be it. The Republicans would own it, the fix wouldn't fix anything, and
in 2 years when the whole thing is still crumbling the answer would be
"We tried it the democrat way, we tried it the republican way, both
failed. Now we need single payer, it is the only way out of this mess." Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 23, 2017 08:12 AM (BoMuO)
=====

Yeah, I agree. Having Rs do anything but full repeal first, and then make whatever laws can pass seems to be the only way they can keep their hands clean.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 23, 2017 08:27 AM (MIKMs)

123 Posted by: cfo mom at September 23, 2017 08:20 AM (RfzVr)

Yes Ma'am, it's ALL kabuki. Article V and term limits is about the only way this will be peacefully concluded. Well that and some prison sentences.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 23, 2017 08:28 AM (s28y4)

124 someone got a Yeats infection?I feel your McPain..those preconditions can be a obamonation.

Posted by: saf at September 23, 2017 08:28 AM (cS/ge)

125 This is fucking disgusting and totally unacceptable. The United States Navy does not seem to understand its duty. We award you five McVains, our highest condemnation.

According to the Navy, "As the baby was born at sea aboard an operational unit, the main focus for the U.S. Navy, the ship and its crew is the safety and well being of the baby and the mother", Cmdr. Bill Urban, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command spokesman"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yabchjoz

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at September 23, 2017 08:31 AM (ylUqT)

126 Well, that is bizarre, as they are two different animals. 365 is typically a web thing, although it can be installed locally and 2016 is a set of executable files on your local system. It seems peculiar to me that your Control Panel > Programs and Features > Uninstall display would misidentify something so important. Proceed with caution. Worst case, you can always reinstall the product if you have your license key.

Posted by: goon at September 23, 2017 08:32 AM (EaQ6/)

127 "Saying "NO" will set you free."

That's a big lesson I got last November. I didn't vote for Trump, Hillary either. If I recognized the name, I skipped them. I skipped McMuffin too. I think I voted for the Constitutional Party candidate. Not sure about that though. Certainly not Green nor Libertarian. I gave up on voting for Lindsey Graham at least two election cycles ago so it was nothing new. Trump was too much a transactional salesman for me to trust him.

Anyway, through all this BS we've been going through the past 10 months, I've been much more dispassionate in thinking about each individual, especially Trump. So far, he's done a great job IMHO but I don't have to defend him. I keep an intellectual and emotional distance from what he says that sets me free.

Posted by: inflammable at September 23, 2017 08:34 AM (aJ1YF)

128 "Former CNN idiot now with Faux News is blaming Trump for placing the Fat
Crazy Man into a corner instead of maintaining the all nice 'Strategic
Patience' doctrine of Obama. And this guy is supposed to be a
conservative?" Vic

Sexton did say "after decades of delay by other administrations, Trump is finally confronting the monster".

Sexton ended with the part about pushing Kim Jung Un into a corner and the fate of millions depend on how he responds. But that is largely the millions in North Korea, maybe some in Seoul.

But the real power Trump is pushing is China, who has enabled this monster very directly. The other push is on people inside North Korea that might not want to be wiped out by their arrogant kid leader.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 23, 2017 08:36 AM (yKAUL)

129 The opportunities of having your party control the White House and the Congress are rare, and the Democrats don't squander theirs.

The last time for the GOP was 2001-2006, when the champions of small government gave us a new Cabinet department and the largest new entitlement since Medicare.

The time before that, Eisenhower was President. (And the time before that, Hoover).

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at September 23, 2017 08:44 AM (rft/I)

130 Perhaps your Office 365 installation did an overwrite of your xls file association. You can correct that little problem without resorting to editing the registry. Simply type "assoc" (without the quotes) into the Search Windows box that is found near the Start button. That will give you the option to choose a default app for each file type. It will take some time for all of the various file types to load, and once they are loaded you will need to scroll down that extensive list of files until you come upon your Excel file types. There are several types (file extensions change over time as program versions change) associated with Excel and you'll want to set them all, and in your case, particularly the ones such as xls, etc.

Posted by: goon at September 23, 2017 08:49 AM (EaQ6/)

131 129
The time before that, Eisenhower was President.
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at September 23, 2017 08:44 AM (rft/I)

And the Republicans did practically nothing to roll back the New Deal.

Posted by: rickl at September 23, 2017 08:53 AM (sdi6R)

132 130
Perhaps your Office 365 installation did an overwrite of your xls file
association. You can correct that little problem without resorting to
editing the registry. Simply type "assoc" (without the quotes) into the
Search Windows box that is found near the Start button. That will give
you the option to choose a default app for each file type. It will take
some time for all of the various file types to load, and once they are
loaded you will need to scroll down that extensive list of files until
you come upon your Excel file types. There are several types (file
extensions change over time as program versions change) associated with
Excel and you'll want to set them all, and in your case, particularly
the ones such as xls, etc.

Posted by: goon at September 23, 2017 08:49 AM (EaQ6/)

I found the place where you change the default program but changing it was greyed out. After deleting office365 I still can't get office 2000 to be the default program and I am tired of messing with it. So I am just going to go with Open Office.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 08:55 AM (mpXpK)

133 On to the new thread and closing this one.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2017 08:58 AM (mpXpK)

134 That's a good choice. Go to the official site to get it and not some 3rd party site. Good Luck!

Posted by: goon at September 23, 2017 08:58 AM (EaQ6/)

135 Vasectomies for Bucks? They are dumber than I thought. It's the Does that determine the popularion. One buck can "service" numerous females. Any first year wildlife biology student knows this. At least, they used to. Maybe not anymore. A bow season would be the best solution, targeting Does. They are going to spend a shitload of money for no effect.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2017 08:58 AM (PDYxO)

136 "Trump. So far, he's done a great job IMHO but I
don't have to defend him. I keep an intellectual and emotional distance
from what he says that sets me free." Posted by: inflammable

Most people that voted for Trump, imo, voted for what he was saying, even as they had doubts he would follow through. Just having the voice was enough, since most others were flipping "us" the bird on major policy. That Trump's "fans" are not just Trump sycophants seems clearer now, since they are largely not backing Trump's guy in Alabama.

As Ace says, it was a binary choice.

To me the choice for Trump was clear earlier, as Walker and even Cruz I felt showed signs they would carry water for the establishment, in the end. Cruz met his wife working deep inside the Bush regime. Heidi worked for CFR and Goldman Sachs, and the establishment jumped in with Cruz at the end of the primary.

"In the end" it may be Trump has been forced into the establishment corner to some degree. As Coulter says, it is Trump that got off the Trump (campaign) train, not her.

Trump is now talking about the transparent wall, which I presume is a fence with more than three barbed wires. But the establishment is being confronted, and maybe the tea party type patriots that McConnell and McCain hate will see a resurgence in 2018.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 23, 2017 09:03 AM (yKAUL)

137 A tape has emerged of the GOPe caucus reaction to Senator McVain's official coming out as a Democrat. Not pretty.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybn6e9c4

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at September 23, 2017 09:21 AM (ylUqT)

138 oops- wrong thread

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at September 23, 2017 09:23 AM (ylUqT)

139 When McCain last asked voters for a job, he said he was going to repeal and replace. In fact, he wasn't just opposed, he was "leading the fight to stop Obamacare".

Is this what 'leading the fight to stop Obamacare' looks like? 'Cos it looks exactly like leading the fight to save Obamacare.

So now McCain says that if he wrote the perfect bill himself, one that would save lives and save strapped families money and unleash small businesses, he wouldn't vote for unless Democrats gave him permission?

McCain has set an impossible Goldilocks standard--not too hot, not too cold, but jussss' right! Even this modest reform is too much for Sen. No.

So let's see your bill, Senator. The one that will get 60 or 70 votes in the Senate. You say that's the only one you can support, so write it. Liar.

What a horse's ass.

I'm so sorry I ever supported him. It will never happen again. In fact, I'm leading the fight to repeal and replace John McCain.

"This time...it's for real."

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 23, 2017 10:13 AM (Ndje9)

140 Re: Vote or not?
Democrats hate me, hate my country. I vote against them always, always.
If you are not a student of history, you will be a victim of the SOS.
At 18, Organized Labor (donkeys) told me to go to hell, so I did. I still vote against them. Straight F'n Ticket is a helluva time saver at the polls.

Posted by: klaftern at September 23, 2017 10:44 AM (RuIsu)

141 As an Arizona resident for quite some time, believe me, I am just as disgusted as you by McStain. I have voted against him every time, but, alas, there appears to be a number of folks who always return him to D.C.. Funny that - all my pals who fought in 'Nam, or are veterans, hate his guts...not a small number, either.
-Kv

Posted by: Kv at September 23, 2017 10:54 AM (wIz+C)

142 Just so. 2018 is going to be the toughest decision vote ever taken by real conservatives: vote against the dishonesty and intellectual corruption of the Republicans (and thereby enable the damn Dems to screw us over), or vote for more of the slow death that Repubs have been delivering for twenty years now. I don't have an answer.....yet.

Posted by: Tom Scott at September 23, 2017 11:02 AM (9/QQm)

143 Hey. C'mon now. I'm a lifelong AZ resident and detest McCain. We campaigned AGAINST him and have called regularly to express our anger towards him (in a non threatening way). So to say FUCK YOU ARIZONA is really unfair. Our son remains active duty, been to Iraq 3 times and Afghanistan once with other deployments in between. There are many sons and daughters of Arizona who serve and have served. We are embarrassed by this guy. Please don't hate on all of us.

Posted by: Robyn Giacoletti at September 23, 2017 11:21 AM (h0Y2F)

144 The problem is, a lot of Democrats support McCain in Az. He's put together a coalition of country club republicans and Democrats

Plus the people that usually run against him are 2nd rate and can't raise any money.

And then you have people like Sarah Palin giving him cover for the rubes

Posted by: Hydro at September 23, 2017 11:56 AM (zxcum)

145 It sounds like the lefties have put Krakatoa in a butt hurt mood
Again

Posted by: Sure at September 23, 2017 12:32 PM (Z7VAD)

146 "If voting could change anything it would be made illegal." Robert Borden wrote this decades ago, and the undeniable truth of his statement is plainly demonstrated to us every day. Vote for a supposed Republican like McCain and get a resounding repudiation of everything he said he stands for. Vote for a man who promised a border wall, repeal of the ACA, and tax reform, and get exactly none of it.
So, why the charade of letting us "choose"?
The ritual of voting is actually critically important to the crypto-oligarchy that runs this country, for two reasons.
One, it keeps the proletariat pacified, distracted, and divided. Two, and most critically, it ensures that our fingerprints are all over the scene of the crime.

Posted by: Major1 at September 23, 2017 01:36 PM (UjIiY)

147 "If there are no candidates who represent enough of the values you hold dear, you should never fear abstaining"

Exactly.

And that's just what I did at the top of the ticket in 2008.

Obama or McCain? Fuck them both.

No way in hell either one of those assholes was deserving of my vote. And I was right.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at September 23, 2017 01:46 PM (jWe5r)

148 Hey, I'm a refugee from the People's Republic of taxifornia. Knew when moonbeam was elected, state would go to crap. Did not vote for McStain, none of the above. If his primary opponent had not been a Bugs Bunny cartoon, would have voted for her. McStain spent a lot of money on Internet ads on conservative website plus all the tv and radio. Couldn't believe a red state like AZ could only produce Ms. Ward as an opponent. Figured the fix was in. Escaped CA so my vote would count. Even in red San Diego county, meant nothing as coast went blue.

Posted by: NGato at September 23, 2017 02:22 PM (iSm9F)

149 I have lived in Arizona longer than John McCain has. As far as I am concerned he is a carpetbagger and I have never voted for him.

Posted by: azdesertrat at September 23, 2017 07:43 PM (NDlpU)

150 Let the record show that I did everything I could to primary McCain. And when that didn't work, I VOTED FOR THE DEMOCRAT. I said 'anyone but McCain,' and I meant it. The only difference between Juan McSame and a Dem would be that the Dem would be honest about what he stood for.

Posted by: Wraith at September 24, 2017 12:02 AM (Oh+tx)

151 "There
has always been one simple solution to the problem. You vote for the
person who best represents your values. If there are no candidates who
represent enough of the values you hold dear, you should never fear abstaining"

This was the exact logic I used to not vote Trump and I am still painted as some liberal fucktard for it. I left the GOP because the whole damned party does not represent enough of my values. The increase the size of government, spend spend spend, when they have the chance to limit government they just double down on it, like a liberal. Fuck'm all, let it burn and the real makers of this country will keep things going like we always do.

Posted by: lloyd at September 24, 2017 02:09 AM (u7wRi)

152 The communists put the hurt on McCain and he puts the hurt on Americans. Why is Arizona so blind? Now it's too late...He will ride into his grave with this awful legacy of being useless.

Posted by: torabora at September 24, 2017 10:18 AM (6QCzE)

153 #63 What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: California at September 24, 2017 10:25 AM (6QCzE)

154 The rant makes it sound like AZ loves McCain, or the voters are a bunch of hapless rubes.

The truth is, the state party is split about evenly between McCain's "people" and what I would call normal Americans. The two camps are quite distinct, and everybody knows who is playing for which side.
The two sides are constantly warring, like when the "normals" CENSURED McCain (anybody remember that?), or when the McCain camp "forgot" to pay the rent on the opposition's meeting place.

I used to be a precinct committeeman here, so I know what I'm talking about.

The voters didn't re-elect McCain because they love him or because the state is overrun with Californitards.
They voted for him because:

1) They were prevented by the GOPe from having any prominent other choices. The best we had was a state Senator (Kelli Ward, who is now beating Jeff Flake). There were several Congressmen who would've won easily against McCain, but none of them would run. They were bribed/threatened by the GOPe.
2) It looked like Hillary would win, so we didn't want to give her the Senate. Anyone who tells you they KNEW the outcome of the 2016 election beforehand is a liar.

It's important to understand this, because most states have a similar situation: a lifer barnacle who can't be ousted from office except under extreme circumstances. The main way this happens is by the GOPe eliminating threats in the primaries.

McCain is just more visible than most.

Posted by: Matt_SE at September 24, 2017 02:09 PM (CTWGT)

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