Charlottesville Escalation and our Drama Culture [Warden]

My wife took our two boys, one five and the other 11 years old, to the younger ones kindergarten open house on Monday. At the event, which was organized by the PTA, were several food trucks.

After showing our kindergartner-to-be his new classroom, my wife got into one of the food truck lines. This one was selling "gourmet sandwiches," whatever that is. I imagine the word artisanal appeared somewhere on the menu. Perhaps there were heirloom tomatoes as well.

While standing in line, my wife noticed that the truck was covered with political bumper stickers, all of them left wing and anti-Trump. As she moved closer her eye caught one that read, "The last time we let Christians run government, it was called the Dark Ages."

My wife turned to our older boy pointed to the sign and said, "I can't give this man my money." He took a look and said, "Okay, Mom. Let's try one over there."

When she told me this story, I responded that I would have probably waited in line until I was up front, then told the owner why I wouldn't be giving him my money. She looked at me and said something that's stuck with me all week:

"No, I don't think anything at all about someone like that. It didn't make me emotional. I just wasn't giving him my money. Any further thought isn't worth my time."

And of course she was right and my knee-jerk response would have been wrong. What a great example she is to our kids.

What would have been accomplished by confronting that food truck owner, especially in front of a bunch of kids? He's got some opinions I don't like. So what? It's not like I'm going to change his mind about anything. Most likely, a person who would put a sign like that on their place of business would welcome a bit of conflict and drama. Why else put it there when it can only cost you money?

Which leads us to Charlottesville...

Obviously, the focus of the country has been on the two extremist groups in conflict, Antifa and the White Nationalists/Nazis. But neither group is going to be what ultimately drives future escalation.

Antifa is the spark meant to inflame the country. But Antifa is small. The only way to build upon their initial is to create a raging bonfire fueled by the emotional responses of more moderate citizens.

It's the everyday people you see freaking out on Facebook that provide the momentum for further escalation, and it's primarily motivated by two things--in-group signalling and a need for drama.

If you use social media, you know what I'm talking about. "Nazis in America!" they shriek. "We can't have this! What have things come to?"

Here's what these emotionally driven people are missing. Literally nothing has to be done to stop Nazis in America except to ignore them. They are a marginalized and hated group. They have no money, no institutional backing, no power and no message capable of winning converts. People aren't going to decide that they want to be Nazis because they march down a few streets yelling slogans.

The escalation that we'll be seeing in the next few weeks couldn't happen if people just went about their business and allowed these goofs to wave their flags, say a few sig heils and give an idiotic speech or two. Without a response, they'll get bored and go home. It's the conflict that they crave--the attention and the drama that these losers don't get in everyday life. Let's face it, they're not in it for the intellectual stimulation.

The problem for the rest of us is that Antifa and their low-information supporters, including many on the #NeverTrump right, are motivated by the same thing. When you see a Facebook freak-out about Nazis, you know you're dealing with a bored, unfulfilled person--a victim of a dull, unadventurous existence and no sense of purpose in life.

There's a downside to how comfortable we've become. Once people have their needs met without an accompanying struggle, they get bored and create their own drama. And this one has the added advantage of allowing you to pretend you're fighting the same evil that our brave military men did during World War II.

Those on the left have convinced themselves that they're "fighting hate." They're doing nothing of the sort. What they're doing is empowering a group that would otherwise be insignificant to anyone's everyday life had they not had their sense of relevancy affirmed by the attention that they receive.

To give your time and emotion to someone who is doing nothing more than shouting irritating words at is to give them power over you. It validates their fantasies of being significant players on life's stage. After all, YOU care enough to yell and scream at them. They must matter, right?

This need for drama has become pathological on the left, including some even using their children as an excuse for their hysterical overreactions. "What am I supposed to tell my children when they see this kind of hate?" they lament self righteously as they drag their kids into their unnecessary, self-created drama.

The fact is you don't have to tell your kids anything except that those people are a bunch of big-mouthed losers who don't matter to anyone. I know that kids are accepting of this explanation because I've given it to mine. They intuitively grasp when someone is a fringe-y type outcast. There's no need to blow up a group of block-headed goofs into bigger than life boogie men.

But the left can't help it. This is their culture now.

Two days ago, I saw a man on the news who'd been hit by the car that was driven into the crowd of Charlottesville protesters/rioters. He'd driven all the way out of state to be a part of that mess, citing his own bi-racial upbringing as a reason for why he needed to get involved.

Whether the man knows it or not, he's lying about his motivations. He unknowingly put his own life at risk for a bit of thrill seeking and drama. I also noticed that they described the middle aged man as a "former EMT" so unemployed and on disability is a good bet-- a guy who's bored and has lots of time on his hands.

During the interview, I spotted the man's daughter behind him. She would have been fatherless if he'd been standing a few feet over. And for what? A stupid protest about someone else's stupid protest about a statue?

Theodore Dalyrymple describes man's unending frustration as the conflict between two irreconcilable needs--security and risk. A young woman lost her life in Charlottesville because that internal conflict put her unknowingly in harm's way.

I think that it's sad that someone would lose their life over something so stupid and trivial as all of this. And of course it's not her fault, but tragically she won't be the last to make the mistake of unnecessarily inserting oneself into a volatile and dangerous conflict, the very nature of which provides no hope for a positive outcome... and pay the ultimate price for it.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 08:55 PM

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1 What you say is true and it is a shame. We should be able to talk to each other like adults and disagree. But we aren't allowed to do that any more.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 17, 2017 08:46 PM (JKNZq)

2 I think people on either side that like to engage in these types of public confrontations are just weird people in general.

Posted by: Outback at August 17, 2017 08:46 PM (LHzKO)

3 The last time we let Atheists run the government they put they slaughtered millions in China and Russia.

Posted by: buzzion at August 17, 2017 08:46 PM (z/Ubi)

4 There will always be the young and stupid-see Rachel Corrie.

Posted by: Toni at August 17, 2017 08:47 PM (j4Rpg)

5 I wish TGE had stated that Antifa is actually just the same communist agitators we have had since the 1920's.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 17, 2017 08:47 PM (a7FXx)

6 Well stated sir. Your wife is to be commended.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 17, 2017 08:48 PM (ZGsc5)

7 I'm going round with some woman on Facebook. She can't just say that she supports the First Amendment because the truth is that she doesn't. She was going on about climate change and then about the evil Nazis. Even sited Scopes to back up her claims about something. But she simply doesn't think. She isn't willing to wait a day or two before leaping to judgment. She can only parrot back what she has been told.

What bothers me more than anything else is that these young people will be in charge in another 20 years or so, young people who seem to think that the strong should be in charge and the weak should get out of the way and shut up.It may be too late.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 17, 2017 08:49 PM (JKNZq)

8 This is spot on.

Unfortunately if I share it with any of my lefty friends, they will respond that the neo-Nazi's actually are in a position of power because, "Trump is Hitler REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 17, 2017 08:50 PM (Jeh5i)

9 Thanks for sharing that story of uncommon wisdom displayed by ur wife; truly a lesson so many of us on all sides should take to heart.

You are one lucky dog.

Posted by: Some things change at August 17, 2017 08:50 PM (wVh1u)

10 Eh, I see both sides of your argument. I like to take a stand, personally, but I am definitely not going to get killed or arrested over a statue.

But it ain't gonna stop at statues, is it? Or sandwich trucks.

We will be made to care and take a stand and they ain't gonna like the way it ends.

My main thought now is to reserve my energy and resources for the larger battle that seems to be looming.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 08:51 PM (Qp1Cp)

11 The last time we let Christians run government...

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Good thing we don't allow Christians in our government.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 17, 2017 08:51 PM (giT7q)

12 Yesterday facebook wanted to dig up every Confederate veteran and summarily execute them for war crimes. Today they want to give Geneva Convention protections to ISIS. We live in interesting times.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (Jeh5i)

13 but tragically she won't be the last to make the mistake of unnecessarily inserting oneself into a volatile and dangerous conflict

How very flattening of you....

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (5rdJ4)

14 Dammit...I meant 'flattering'

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (5rdJ4)

15 Mrs Warden is awesome.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (hMwEB)

16 And we have a winner, Wolfe saying Barcelona is a copycat of Virginia....guess the whole France thing last year didn't happen pond scum.

Posted by: ramajama at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (D+pwC)

17 The left's foaming at the mouth hatred of whites is only matched by its foaming at the mouth hatred of Christianity

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (auHtY)

18 I guess the food truck idiot wouldn't have a problem with Islam running the country.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (PY9jH)

19 Antifa is the spark meant to inflame the country.

There it is and you are correct and moreover that was Charlie Manson's philosophical foundation stated for the "Helter Skelter" that he thought the Tate-LaBianca murders would provoke.

Hey, Progressives: you and an incarcerated mass murdere are on the same page. You both want to start a race war. Charlie is probably kicking himself for not running for office and starting on your political path too soon.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 17, 2017 08:53 PM (xaJIp)

20 There will always be the young and stupid-see Rachel Corrie.
Posted by: Toni

*shakes flappy hand*

Damn you Toni!

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at August 17, 2017 08:53 PM (5rdJ4)

21 Spot on, and I think we all can benefit from a little reflection. Nice post!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 08:53 PM (RrhD2)

22 You need to give your wife a huge hug because she sounds like a wonderful person, mother and wife.

You are blessed Sir!

As for the snowflakes, Death is a reality they have no concept of but they will learn as and if they grow up.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 17, 2017 08:53 PM (5VlCp)

23 The left's foaming at the mouth hatred of whites is only matched by its foaming at the mouth hatred of Christianity
Posted by: TheQuietMan

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The Left really is bankrolled by a handful of rich, white people that really hate Christianity.

That really seems to be what it comes down to.

Posted by: Outback at August 17, 2017 08:54 PM (LHzKO)

24 Obama is lying on a beach somewhere, laughing his ass off.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:54 PM (PY9jH)

25 My colander mask is fitted and ready.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2017 08:54 PM (89T5c)

26 ACE got a shout out on ThomasWictor Twitter thread

Posted by: Swiftly at August 17, 2017 08:54 PM (kgNmC)

27 Antifa is the spark meant to inflame the country.

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Its the same with the Neo Nazi stuff. They think this stuff will agitate enough people to cause some war.

The difference is, the Media never asks for the Democrats to renounce groups like Antifa.

Posted by: Outback at August 17, 2017 08:55 PM (LHzKO)

28 Obama is on a beach somewhere getting his ass plowed.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2017 08:55 PM (89T5c)

29 "...it's not her fault, but tragically she won't be the last to make the
mistake of unnecessarily inserting oneself into a volatile and dangerous
conflict, the very nature of which provides no hope for a positive
outcome... and paying the ultimate price for it."

The unfortunate Tasha Yar Award.

Posted by: Corona at August 17, 2017 08:56 PM (xzi2G)

30 Obama started himself a race war, along with his buddy Eric Holder.

Everything is going as planned.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:56 PM (PY9jH)

31 Congratulations, Mr. President, for living rent free in Progressive heads knowing how much the square footage is really worth.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 17, 2017 08:56 PM (xaJIp)

32 I passed on going to New Orleans for a week a convention next month because I just couldn't see giving those jackhole any money, even if it was mostly the company's.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 17, 2017 08:56 PM (LTHVh)

33 Here's my proposal:
Anyone that has called for the violent overthrow of the US government, or is a member of a group that has done so, is banned from holding any public office for 20 years. Anyone in this category who is not a full citizen is immediately deported.

This would block Nazis... and Antifa. And a lot of Islamists.
Obviously would have to be a constitutional amendment.

So who would support this Amendment? Probably most conservatives. And virtually no leftists. That puts the lie to the left's current howling.

Posted by: Shep Smith at August 17, 2017 08:57 PM (TWZ+w)

34 God damn shep smith sock!

Posted by: wooga at August 17, 2017 08:57 PM (TWZ+w)

35 "What am I supposed to tell my children when they see this kind of hate?" they lament self righteously as they drag their kids into their unnecessary, self-created drama.

*slow clap*

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at August 17, 2017 08:57 PM (OVUYQ)

36 Great article. I think the left uses every tragedy as a means to exert more power over their enemies.

Posted by: BacktoGA at August 17, 2017 08:58 PM (BjWSs)

37 I think the same thing when someone says 'turn on Fox News.'

Posted by: Under Fire at August 17, 2017 08:58 PM (mcI77)

38 I pick and choose carefully where I spend my limited dollars these days.

If a business is stupid enough to run off at the mouth about Trump voters, etc., then no business from me.
Period. Full stop.

Posted by: mpfs at August 17, 2017 08:58 PM (wYwj3)

39 "Most likely, a person who would put a sign like that on their place of business would welcome a bit of conflict and drama."

That is why I have been calling all of this Soap Opera Politics. "The Days of Our West Wing". That's why I have been using "The Outrage Outlet" in my nic for years. I find all of the drama and hullabaloo fun (for the most part) but it isn't where the real stuff is getting done.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Cool your Jets with an Outrage Outlet Snarlin' Smoothie! at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (66/E/)

40 What an awful day. Learned this evening the business partner of a dear friend of ours came home last night, had a nice dinner with his wife, poured himself a drink, walked outside to sit on the patio, and blew his brains out.

I'm going to take something and try to go to sleep.

Awful day, awful week.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (PY9jH)

41 25 My colander mask is fitted and ready.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2017 08:54 PM (89T5c)

Another reason why comments are so much fun, Humungus.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (xaJIp)

42 But it ain't gonna stop at statues, is it? Or sandwich trucks.

We will be made to care and take a stand and they ain't gonna like the way it ends.

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Yes, please don't misunderstand. If some Antifa goon blocks the sidewalk as I'm going about my business and gets aggressive, then I'm going to wreck his stupid Commie face. I'll call it self defense, but I'll be looking to do maximum damage.

But I'm sure as hell not looking to have a baseball bat war in someone else's city over a statue.

Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (MZ8Zz)

43 37 I think the same thing when someone says 'turn on Fox News.'
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This blog is the only place I get my news now. Too bad Ace doesn't really follow it anymore

Posted by: BacktoGA at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (BjWSs)

44 When she told me this story, I responded that I would have probably waited in line until I was up front, then told the owner why I wouldn't be giving him my money. She looked at me and said something that's stuck with me all week:

"No, I don't think anything at all about someone like that. It didn't make me emotional. I just wasn't giving him my money. Any further thought isn't worth my time."

I understand the sentiment, but that's how the Left operates its ratchet and pawl. They get in the faces of those they oppose - i.e., loyal Americans - and make themselves unpleasant.

We don't have to be unpleasant, but suppose everyone who disagreed with the owner got to the front of the line, ordered his food, then referred to the bumper stickers, put his money away, and walked off.

In short, if those who disagreed raised the ante on the owner. As it was, the owner merely lost a sale, but doesn't even know that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 17, 2017 09:00 PM (SRKgf)

45 Central Oregon roads at a full standstill and many vehicles are running out of fuel because....Eclipse !1!!1!!!

Posted by: Under Fire at August 17, 2017 09:00 PM (mcI77)

46 I guess the food truck idiot wouldn't have a problem with Islam running the country.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (PY9jH)

No BLT sandwiches on the menu then!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:00 PM (gwPgz)

47 Oh Jane,

That is so sad.

Posted by: mpfs at August 17, 2017 09:01 PM (wYwj3)

48 To give your time and emotion to someone who is doing nothing more than shouting irritating words at is to give them power over you.
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Ah, but that's where the immanetizing the eschaton comes in. Racists are going to be in a public place saying bad things aloud about other races. Words are violence and they cannot live in peace until every blot is removed.

Posted by: Axeman at August 17, 2017 09:01 PM (2mC6G)

49 >>>But I'm sure as hell not looking to have a baseball bat war in someone else's city over a statue.

Tomato Bisque Man approves!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:01 PM (RrhD2)

50
This eclipse hype is about to get to me. I'm now rooting for it to be cloudy, just to mess 'em all up.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 17, 2017 09:01 PM (8O3HH)

51 They literally are literally fighting literally Hitler literally.

Posted by: inflammable at August 17, 2017 09:02 PM (aJ1YF)

52 It'd be a real shame if Public Health got an anonymous complaint.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 17, 2017 09:02 PM (mJ8mX)

53 "Anyone that has called for the violent overthrow of the US government, or is a member of a group that has done so, is banned from holding any public office for 20 years. Anyone in this category who is not a full citizen is immediately deported."

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Deny them the right to vote, and withhold any and all funding that they receive from the government from EBT cards to financial aid, etc.

I'm certain that this list can be expanded. I like this proposal very much and it should be implemented at the state level, too.

Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at August 17, 2017 09:02 PM (6x7tX)

54 To give your time and emotion to someone who is doing nothing more than shouting irritating words at is to give them power over you.

I worry less about their words than their sticks and stones. I really hope I don't have to shoot anyone in the spine before it's over.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 17, 2017 09:03 PM (LTHVh)

55 As one who has been to the world's bad places, I have to say that none of these sheltered people have a clue - no clue at all - as to what kind of mistrustful, fragmented, hate-filled society they are helping to create.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at August 17, 2017 09:03 PM (4azl5)

56 50
This eclipse hype is about to get to me. I'm now rooting for it to be cloudy, just to mess 'em all up.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 17, 2017 09:01 PM (8O3HH

Cloudy Skies Prevent Majority Trump Voting Counties from viewing Eclipse.

Posted by: Future Newspaper Headlines at August 17, 2017 09:03 PM (z/Ubi)

57 I guess you are right but may be it is just the moment welive in but what you write seems tosound like the Senate R's--ie there are NO hills worth fighting for....or the 'next' hill 'might' be the hill worth fighting for.

Some one needs to explain your more peaceable approach to Antifa, BLm, and the rest of the Bolsheviks...THEY seem to think a war is on...

Posted by: Malignantly aggrieved at August 17, 2017 09:04 PM (oBuXO)

58 There is a fine line between stupid and clever.

I wonder which is the MSM?

More and more Fox is becoming the stupid.

Posted by: mpfs at August 17, 2017 09:04 PM (wYwj3)

59 >>Tomato Bisque Man approves!

Tomato Bisque is a dish best served cold.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (/tuJf)

60 "No, I don't think anything at all about someone like that. It didn't make me emotional. I just wasn't giving him my money. Any further thought isn't worth my time."

Read the whole thing. Nice story.

And completely fucking wrong.

You don't get to "ignore" what's going on. Oh - you can certainly "submit". And that's the goal. They want you to submit. And they'll continue to make things shitty until you do. They're counting on you to insist on their opposition to "submit" as well - just so everything will stop.

But "ignore" ? You don't have the luxury of "ignore".

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (fiGNd)

61 I think people on either side that like to engage in these types of public confrontations are just weird people in general.

Posted by: Outback
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Open/public noise-making/posturing is SOP for the Left/Liberal/Progs. They do it with impunity, at the drop of a hat, and in inappropriate circumstances.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (OdK9v)

62 If I said how I really felt about the Left and AntiFa, I'd be banned.

So, I'll just say hello Horde.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (/o9Qk)

63 And we have a winner, Wolfe saying Barcelona is a copycat of
Virginia....guess the whole France thing last year didn't happen pond
scum.
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Rush called it this afternoon.

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (aT+Bx)

64 Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at August 17, 2017 09:02 PM (6x7tX)

The progressive lawyers and judges would screw this up in a heart beat!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (gwPgz)

65 suppose everyone who disagreed with the owner got to the front of the line, ordered his food, then referred to the bumper stickers, put his money away, and walked off.
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That supposes you can rally a bunch of parents at a school open house to do that.

I don't think you can.

As far as the owner not knowing he'd lost a sale, I'm thinking the emotional payoff of arguing with you would be worth it to him.

My kid seeing that he lost the sale, and why, is infinitely more valuable to me.

Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (MZ8Zz)

66 This is simply excellent.

Drama- it's what's for dinner.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at August 17, 2017 09:06 PM (UgF8H)

67 Climate Change Prevents Majority Trump Voting Counties from viewing Eclipse.
Posted by: Future Newspaper Headlines at August 17, 2017 09:03 PM (z/Ubi)
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FTFY!

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 17, 2017 09:06 PM (woiyT)

68 Great post, ace.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 17, 2017 09:06 PM (4e+hS)

69 Shut up and sell me a sandwich.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 17, 2017 09:06 PM (LTHVh)

70 Oregon passed a law, several years ago, that made all gas stations upgrade their underground storage tanks. The problem was that many of these rural gas stations weren't making enough money to afford to do that. So they closed. In parts of Oregon, you can drive a long ways between stations now.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (JKNZq)

71 the dark ages thing.

Historic illiterates.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (DQdye)

72 Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (MZ8Zz)

Agreed. I am with you all the way on the statues, not worth all this violence.

Here's the thing, though.

I am a Southern woman.

They are fucking with the cemeteries now.

My ancestors were Confederate and are buried with that designation. I am fiercely proud of them, but even if they were Ted Bundy, I'd have a big fucking problem with them getting dug up.

How far do I let this go?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (Qp1Cp)

73 the dark ages thing.

Historic illiterates.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (DQdye)
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Exactly.

Posted by: Axeman at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (2mC6G)

74 More on Jason Kessler, organizer of Charlottesville rally:

http://tinyurl.com/y79c4yzs

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (aT+Bx)

75 What an awful day. Learned this evening the business
partner of a dear friend of ours came home last night, had a nice
dinner with his wife, poured himself a drink, walked outside to sit on
the patio, and blew his brains out.

I'm going to take something and try to go to sleep.

Awful day, awful week.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (PY9jH)

How completely horrific. So sorry, Jane:-(

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (FTXAT)

76 I imagine all the antifa pricks look exactly like the hipster douchebags in those awful Stella Artois commercials.

Posted by: mpfs at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (wYwj3)

77 I'd expect the operative phrase is "You ain't seen nothin' yet"; hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (ezX5B)

78 70 Oregon passed a law, several years ago, that made all gas stations upgrade their underground storage tanks. The problem was that many of these rural gas stations weren't making enough money to afford to do that. So they closed. In parts of Oregon, you can drive a long ways between stations now.
Posted by: notsothoreau at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (JKNZq)

I suspect this was something heavily pushed by the likes of Shell, BP, Speedway etc.

Posted by: Future Newspaper Headlines at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (z/Ubi)

79 My kid seeing that he lost the sale, and why, is infinitely more valuable to me.

Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (MZ8Zz)

There was a lesson taught to one you love, by one you love, no small accomplishment in this life!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (gwPgz)

80 I have many times, and in many ways, responded with "meh" to insane progressives itching for a fight.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (UgF8H)

81 As one who has been to the world's bad places, I have to say that none of these sheltered people have a clue - no clue at all - as to what kind of mistrustful, fragmented, hate-filled society they are helping to create.
Posted by: Skookumchuk
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They have live pampered, protected lives. They have never been hungry, they've always had shelter and clothing, they've never known the reality, or even the threat of war.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (OdK9v)

82 Of course antifa are the actual Nazis here. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (2le8w)

83 The big problem is that Nazism is demonized in our culture, while Communism, which is every bit as evil and totalitarian, is given a pass.

How many movies have been made about Hitler, the concentration camps, and the Holocaust?

How many movies have been made about Stalin, the Holodomor, and the gulag?

How many movies have been made about Mao, the Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution?

A young person who wears a swastika armband is called a worthless scumbag loser, while a young person in a Che t-shirt is considered an "idealist".

This is the real problem, and is why our society is in real trouble.

Posted by: rickl at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (sdi6R)

84 And we have a winner, Wolfe saying Barcelona is a
copycat of Virginia....guess the whole France thing last year didn't
happen pond scum.

Posted by: ramajama at August 17, 2017 08:52 PM (D+pwC)

Muzzie #1: How shall we kill the infidel?Muzzie #2: How about get a vehicle and run over them like we've done a dozen times beforeMuzzie #1:Nah..we need something new. Hey, what's this? *sees news of Charlottesville* HEY! I've got it let's get a vehicle and run them over

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:09 PM (auHtY)

85 That supposes you can rally a bunch of parents at a school open house to do that.

I don't think you can.

As far as the owner not knowing he'd lost a sale, I'm thinking the emotional payoff of arguing with you would be worth it to him.

My kid seeing that he lost the sale, and why, is infinitely more valuable to me.
Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 09:05 PM (MZ8Zz)

You misunderstand, with respect, on many levels.

First, I'm not talking about rallying a bunch of parents. If you're the only one, so be it. (OTOH, you may provide an example to others.)

Second, I wouldn't argue with the owner. I'd merely inform him that I now appreciated his politics, and as a consequence had chosen not to do business with him, and then I'd leave. No argument, no drama. Leave him to figure out what to do with the food I'd ordered.

Third, your kid would still see that the owner had lost the sale, and why.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 17, 2017 09:09 PM (SRKgf)

86 It's a stupid ill informed comment anyway. Sounds like the person in the truck didn't know World History history, American history or exactly what helped to end the Dark Ages.

And because I don't want to be entirely absorbed by dark things I'm reporting my comment from below about Dennis Prager's successful conducting of the qanat Monica symphony:

Finally a nice thing:

Joel Pollack of Brietbart does a review of Denis Prager's conducting for the Santa Monica Symphony. Prayer got a standing ovation and it sounds like a great evening for those that like classical music or support free speech:

http://tinyurl.com/ybbxr7f8

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (iVOAv)

87 Oregon passed a law, several years ago, that made all gas stations upgrade their underground storage tanks. The problem was that many of these rural gas stations weren't making enough money to afford to do that. So they closed. In parts of Oregon, you can drive a long ways between stations now

That's a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Chuck C at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (BWmr9)

88 82 Of course antifa are the actual Nazis here. Full stop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (2le8w)

Correctamundo.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (0mRoj)

89 "Okay, Mom. Let's try one over there."

---------------------------------------------

Did one over there have any signs?

Posted by: RioBravo at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (giT7q)

90 How far do I let this go?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (Qp1Cp)

I'm trying to figure out a response, but so far I can't find one that won't wind up with me in jail and my grand-kids demonized!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (gwPgz)

91 Good piece. Illustrates the reason why I'm going to stop commenting on all but this site. Anyone else a long-time internet argument addict?

Posted by: S at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (poT2p)

92 Well said, Warden. Thanks.

Posted by: Jack Burton at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (tbOMB)

93 Of course antifa are the actual Nazis here. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (2le8w)
---
Well, I look at who is acting like a fascist--not what they call themselves.

Their preferred candidate actually had a slogan that boiled down the the symbolism of a fasces, and they're still clueless.

No, I don't think you know what fascism is and isn't. I don't think I'll take your word that you oppose fascism.

Posted by: Axeman at August 17, 2017 09:11 PM (2mC6G)

94 Agreed. I am with you all the way on the statues, not worth all this violence.

Here's the thing, though.

I am a Southern woman.

They are fucking with the cemeteries now.

My ancestors were Confederate and are buried with that designation. I
am fiercely proud of them, but even if they were Ted Bundy, I'd have a
big fucking problem with them getting dug up.

How far do I let this go?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (Qp1Cp)

The statue thing is where we stand or where we fall. If we cannot stop that, any confederate grave is fair game. Including those of your great, great grandfathers, my great, great grandfathers and Jane D'oh's too.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:11 PM (FTXAT)

95 They have live pampered, protected lives. They have
never been hungry, they've always had shelter and clothing, they've
never known the reality, or even the threat of war.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2017 09:08 PM (OdK9v)

Add to that that they've been told how special they and their thoughts are and that they are never wrong (as long as it's from the approved curriculum)

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:11 PM (yzxic)

96 Nice essay Warden, thanks.

You describe the kind of stoicism that is essential for survival in the One Party State of California.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 17, 2017 09:11 PM (EZebt)

97 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (PY9jH)

So sorry,Jane. How terrible for his family and friends.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:12 PM (iVOAv)

98 'I hope Trump is assassinated,' Missouri lawmaker writes, and quickly regrets

Oh well, all is forgiven then.

As a result of Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal's comment, the U.S. Secret Service's St. Louis field office is investigating and both Sen. Claire McCaskill and the chairman of the Missouri Democratic Party have called on her to resign.

I'm sure the bitch won't leave and they won't do anything to her

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:12 PM (auHtY)

99 The statue thing is where we stand or where we fall.
If we cannot stop that, any confederate grave is fair game. Including
those of your great, great grandfathers, my great, great grandfathers
and Jane D'oh's too.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:11 PM (FTXAT)

And mine.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:12 PM (yzxic)

100 If they come near Gettysburg thinking they will pull this shit they are in for a rude awakening in Pennsyltucky.

We don't fuck around here.

Posted by: mpfs at August 17, 2017 09:13 PM (wYwj3)

101 HEY! I've got it let's get a vehicle and run them over

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:09 PM (auHtY)
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That guy was an amateur! We can probably get 100 injured easy!!

Posted by: Axeman at August 17, 2017 09:13 PM (2mC6G)

102 Damn Jane. How awful for his family.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at August 17, 2017 09:13 PM (CNHr1)

103 It really comes down to this - how you view yourself, and how you view your leaders.

I view myself as nothing special to most of the world. I'm okay with that. I work hard, I'm kind to people. I try to be a good father and husband. I do good work.

But I do have one special thing - I am the employer of every politician getting a paycheck. They work for me. Now, I don't expect to love all my employees. But I do expect them to show up, do their job, with a minimum of fuss and muss. As little drama as possible. My preference is they do their job with a minimum of day to day input from me. If I have to get involved to settle their shit, well, someone is getting the boot.

Progressives, on the other hand, view politicians as leaders. Bosses. People who are going to give them orders, tell them what to do. They like the excitement, the drama, the spectacle. It is a reality TV show for them. A sports contest. There has to be clear winners and losers and heroes and villains. Which is all bullshit - they all have feet of clay.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (UgF8H)

104 Lay with us.

Posted by: Dogs at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (LTHVh)

105 Richard Corey?

My brother had a colleague that did something similar decades ago. Left a beautiful wife and kids.

Ugh.

Posted by: JAS at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (UnDQI)

106 The statue thing is where we stand or where we fall.

If we cannot stop that, any confederate grave is fair game. Including

those of your great, great grandfathers, my great, great grandfathers

and Jane D'oh's too.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:11 PM (FTXAT)

And mine.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:12 PM (yzxic)

And Country Singer's

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (FTXAT)

107 Did one over there have any signs?
Posted by: RioBravo
***********

No.

I was going to contact the principal and ask that next time we don't have people inserting politics into school events, but it was a PTA organized thing, and I doubt they had any knowledge of the operators other than what they found online.

Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (MZ8Zz)

108 Read shibumi's link.

Seriously.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (2wRtc)

109 How far do I let this go?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:07 PM (Qp1Cp)

My ancestors ain't nothin' special - but at the point they touch their graves ... it's on.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (fiGNd)

110 93
Their preferred candidate actually had a slogan that boiled down the the symbolism of a fasces, and they're still clueless.
Posted by: Axeman at August 17, 2017 09:11 PM (2mC6G)

Ah, yes. "Stronger Together". Without even the slightest hint of irony.

Posted by: rickl at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (sdi6R)

111 It is funny to see, the idiots starting to squirm, they thought they were gonna ride this one out. Doesn't work that way. Never did. Oops!

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (ezX5B)

112 28
Obama is on a beach somewhere getting his ass plowed.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

=======

I can see that.
Please stab my eyes.

Posted by: Corona at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (xzi2G)

113 *wanders in*

http://bit.ly/2uVx1BL

*wanders out*

Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (dEQP3)

114 Posted by: Some things change at August 17, 2017 08:50 PM (wVh1u)

Nice post.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:16 PM (iVOAv)

115 I was going to contact the principal and ask that next time we don't have people inserting politics into school events, but it was a PTA organized thing, and I doubt they had any knowledge of the operators other than what they found online.
Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (MZ8Zz)

Wouldn't be surprised at all if some on the PTA knew exactly what the guy supported.

Posted by: buzzion at August 17, 2017 09:16 PM (z/Ubi)

116 *wanders in*

http://bit.ly/2uVx1BL

*wanders out*

Surely not, surely.

Posted by: Dogs at August 17, 2017 09:16 PM (LTHVh)

117 dammit

Posted by: Fleas at August 17, 2017 09:16 PM (LTHVh)

118 Read shibumi's link.

Seriously.
--

BTW... I got it off a conspiracy site. Not 4Chan. Worse.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3609132/pg1

But it all seems very accurate, which is terrifying.

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:16 PM (aT+Bx)

119 From the Democrats side I think there is much more at play here. They want to give attention to this small Nazi protest because it gives them ammo that Trump is a horrible Nazi supporter. Since the whole Russia thing has been a bust they're on to Plan C.

It also gives them something else they want. Since virtually no one is going to step-up to defend the Nazis it gives them the start of making antifa a legit way to control speech and opinion in at least the liberal parts of the country. I don't think they'll have nearly the same. . .freedom of action they've been enjoying in places like Berkley in other places.

Social engineering is the Democrat way and once you start hitting emotions then there is going to be a big percentage of the population that is going to miss that they are being manipulated.

Posted by: AdamPM at August 17, 2017 09:16 PM (uSn+c)

120 If they come near Gettysburg thinking they will pull this shit they are in for a rude awakening in Pennsyltucky.

We don't fuck around here.

Posted by: mpfs at August 17, 2017 09:13 PM (wYwj3)

As I understand it, the National Parks service already removed all Confederate paraphernalia from the gift shop. Apparently, the new narrative is the Union soldiers were fighting themselves there.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:17 PM (FTXAT)

121 Cemeteries are sacred ground no matter what your political affiliation.

These pricks have no decency, no heart, no soul.

By the by, you touch my family's graves I'll hurt you.

Just s friendly FYI.

Posted by: mpfs at August 17, 2017 09:17 PM (wYwj3)

122 He used to work for or with CNN.

Is this real?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:18 PM (2wRtc)

123 Hoping the Benadryl I just took will help me sleep.

My husband and I have a long weekend beginning tomorrow afternoon in a little south GA town, with all of our international students. I'm wondering how to reply when (if) they ask what is going on with the tearing down of statues, etc.

Right now, I'm so tired from worrying about our son a couple of days ago, and now the suicide of our friend's business partner, I can't think straight.

Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 09:18 PM (PY9jH)

124 Nazis are at best a friend phenom. When Vox Day is attacking you, you know you've gone too far in the defense of whiteness, or whatever.

Here is the thing: Antifa is basically the American Taliban, or Red Guard if you prefer. They successfully intimidate the universities and corporations while having the critical mass to launch terror acts throughout the country- including on federal politicians.

There is no ignoring them, unless you want to end up like Islamified Europe. They must be neutralized.

Posted by: trev006 at August 17, 2017 09:18 PM (ZXSGy)

125 No.

I was going to contact the principal and ask that next time we don't
have people inserting politics into school events, but it was a PTA
organized thing, and I doubt they had any knowledge of the operators
other than what they found online.

Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (MZ8Zz)
The school could add a clause to the contract for vendors that no political signage is allowed.

Posted by: X-ray at August 17, 2017 09:18 PM (zoSd2)

126 Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:10 PM (gwPgz)

I have to bite back on a lot of stuff lately, because if those statues are offensive, (and they may really have been offensive to a lot of good people who have just let it go over the years) than I can accept that.

But I am freaked out about the cemeteries.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:19 PM (Qp1Cp)

127 I suspect this was something heavily pushed by the likes of Shell, BP, Speedway etc.
Posted by: Future Newspaper Headlines
--------

Ah. But there is an entire ambulance-chaser legal industry that has become established to pursue a leaking tank, for staggering sums of money.

Example:

"Another large group of plaintiffs are currently being represented by The Law Offices of Peter Angelos. In July, 2011, the Angelos plaintiffs were awarded, in sum, half a billion dollars in compensatory damages and another 1.5 billion dollars in punitive damages for fraud. The fraud finding involved Exxon's failure to install a promised "bathtub" design to catch potential leaking gas, and then a subsequent failure to disclose that the "bathtub" liner was not in place. There was also a dispute as to when Exxon knew of the leak, and whether they first told the public the station was"closed for renovations" rather than disclosing the issue. ExxonMobil has appealed this ruling."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2017 09:19 PM (OdK9v)

128 Agreed with @44: place an order, then notice the stickers and simply walk away. No confrontation, and the guy learns that the bubble isn't as large as the MFM tells him.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 17, 2017 09:19 PM (5dOnv)

129 Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (dEQP3)

All I saw was a silo and some hay bales until I realized where we are. I find that rather sad that I had to translate it to ASHQ thought and that i did it so quickly, because it's probably a nice fair.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:19 PM (iVOAv)

130 50
This eclipse hype is about to get to me. I'm now rooting for it to be cloudy, just to mess 'em all up.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 17, 2017 09:01 PM (8O3HH)

My husband's been saying this for a week. Local charter boat is offering an "Eclipse Cruise", $60 a couple. Husband says "that's an awful lot of money to spend just to get rained on out in the Sound".

Posted by: antisocialist at August 17, 2017 09:20 PM (W2wn0)

131 #83 rickl best comment here.

My father, as a young man, was "fortunate" to live under both the Nazis, and the communists. I asked him once what was the difference - he said "Nothing. They even had the same slogans."

Posted by: Dean Wormer at August 17, 2017 09:20 PM (UgF8H)

132
He used to work for or with CNN.

Is this real?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:18 PM---note the byline:http://news.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnns-jason-kessler/

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:21 PM (aT+Bx)

133 Jane, I'm sorry that you are going through all of this. I wish for the best for you, your family, and the family of your friend's business partner.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at August 17, 2017 09:21 PM (2VN2E)

134 And mine.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:12 PM (yzxic)

And Country Singer's

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (FTXAT)

I'll clarify some things, since this may confuse some people with regard to that and my earlier statement about being in No Man's Land. I'm half-Filipino and was adopted. Biologically, my ancestors were Scandi/Scots/Irish by way of Mormon handcart companies on one side and Filipino on the other. On my adoptive father's side there's a long line of military service (back to the Revolution) by poor Southerners who mostly made their living as subsistence farmers and sharecroppers. My adoptive mother's side? Yeah, I'm not going to discuss the carpetbaggers that came down from Indiana in '66-'67, joined the klan, and were democrat politicians.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:21 PM (yzxic)

135 During the interview, I spotted the man's daughter behind him. She would have been fatherless if he'd been standing a few feet over. And for what? A stupid protest about someone else's stupid protest about a statue?

---

It's a shame that he's not bright enough to take his daughter to the library or a museum when he sees his friends tugging their masks up and pulling the cardboard signs off of their baseball bats, but don't mistake the level of dedication that will make a man risk his child's life as a "stupid protest about someone else's stupid protest about a statue."

If he was near the wreck, he could see his friends with their 2x4s before the crash (it took his buddies no time to attack the car). I'm told there were quite a few guns, too.

And dad stayed.

It IS pretty weird that these folks felt that safe around the KKK/Nazis, though, isn't it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - White, Nationalist, and Now the Media Says We're White Nationalists at August 17, 2017 09:22 PM (fzJai)

136 Social engineering is the Democrat way and once you start hitting emotions then there is going to be a big percentage of the population that is going to miss that they are being manipulated.
Posted by: AdamPM at August 17, 2017 09:16 PM (uSn+c)
---
Yeah, I was talking with my wife about what Orwell got wrong: "Thoughtcrime" is too abstract. It dogmatically defines itself. No, it's more effective to make people think that they have some grievous moral flaw for thinking the way you don't want them to think.

For example, if you believe shibumi's link, you're paranoid. If you believe something that is not going to be readily confirmed out in the mainstream, you're a conspiracy nut to opt for what other people don't buy into. Or you're just phobic --transphobic, if you can't see the value of just letting your kid find their gender!

Or you're racist to disagreeing with Obama or thinking him not fit for the job. All that's a lot more effective than "Ooooh, you're a thought-criminal!"

Posted by: Axeman at August 17, 2017 09:22 PM (2mC6G)

137 3 The last time we let Atheists run the government they put they slaughtered millions in China and Russia.
Posted by: buzzion at August 17, 2017 08:46 PM (z/Ubi)

*****

Perfect.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2017 09:22 PM (0tfLf)

138
It looks like Jason Kessler, the guy who started the "white supremacy" group in WV , may not only have been an Obamanoid Occupooper, but also may have written at least 3 articles for CNN.

4chan, so, grain of salt.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (2wRtc)

139 I'm half-Filipino and was adopted. Biologically, my ancestors were Scandi/Scots/Irish by way of Mormon handcart companies on one side and Filipino on the other.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:21 PM (yzxic)

Well ... fuck it. I've got to have your debut album. Simply must have it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (fiGNd)

140 alex's rant towards the end of the last thread - outstanding. Certainly must speak for many.

The actual racists, and race-baiters, had long ago destroyed any meaning or power in that term, by using it almost exclusively where it had no application.

Now, the illiterate, power-mad, hate-filled racist lynch mob roams the country, vandalizing its history (has anyone, anywhere, remarked on the obvious and stunning transparent attempt by Dems, in their Nth try, to seize a divisive and stupid issue that will finally get their bloc-voting black turnout up where they desperately need it to be competitive outside their blue bantustans?).

And the GOP mumbles some idiotic crap about invisible, unimportant, uninteresting "neo-Nazis", while the largest national violent intimidation campaign in our history picks up steam (in its second year).

Posted by: rhomboid at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (QDnY+)

141 Well, I guess that answers what Unite the Right is.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (CNHr1)

142 What an awful day. Learned this evening the business
partner of a dear friend of ours came home last night, had a nice
dinner with his wife, poured himself a drink, walked outside to sit on
the patio, and blew his brains out.

I'm going to take something and try to go to sleep.

Awful day, awful week.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (PY9jH)

Might be an "altruistic suicide". Look up Albert R. Erskine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (2le8w)

143 I'll clarify some things, since this may confuse
some people with regard to that and my earlier statement about being in
No Man's Land. I'm half-Filipino and was adopted. Biologically, my
ancestors were Scandi/Scots/Irish by way of Mormon handcart companies on
one side and Filipino on the other. On my adoptive father's side
there's a long line of military service (back to the Revolution) by poor
Southerners who mostly made their living as subsistence farmers and
sharecroppers. My adoptive mother's side? Yeah, I'm not going to discuss
the carpetbaggers that came down from Indiana in '66-'67, joined the
klan, and were democrat politicians.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:21 PM (yzxic)

You are our people no matter where you originally hailed from.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (FTXAT)

144 I doubt they had any knowledge of the operators other than what they found online.
Posted by: Warden at August 17, 2017 09:14 PM (MZ8Zz)

LOL, that ain't the way it generally works in most places.

Probably related to or friends with someone in the PTA.

May or may not have known about the political affiliation, but they most likely knew someone, or were recommended by someone who would almost have to have noticed all the stickers at some point.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (Qp1Cp)

145 1 What you say is true and it is a shame. We should be able to talk to each other like adults and disagree. But we aren't allowed to do that any more.
Posted by: notsothoreau

Adults is the key word. To many 'adults' never bothered to grow up. They would have to be responsible for there actions then. Can't have that.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (pY+s4)

146 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 09:18 PM ](PY9jH)

Is D'Oh Boy OK?

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (gwPgz)

147 Jane D'oh, please take care of you and yours. Let go and let God. Carrying other peoples' baggage is an airport thing. You're not the airport.

Posted by: Corona at August 17, 2017 09:24 PM (xzi2G)

148 >>>As I understand it, the National Parks service already removed all Confederate paraphernalia from the gift shop. Apparently, the new narrative is the Union soldiers were fighting themselves there

The big sellers at NPS gift shops are books. Gettysburg sells Killer Angels, Gods and Generals, and a book about the Confederate Battle Flag, among others. The 'narrative' hasn't changed.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:25 PM (RrhD2)

149 alex's rant towards the end of the last thread - outstanding. Certainly must speak for many.

Not me. Couldn't follow the punctuation.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:25 PM (fiGNd)

150 Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:21 PM (yzxic)

You are my people, no worries.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:26 PM (Qp1Cp)

151 even we have standards, dog.

Posted by: fleas at August 17, 2017 09:26 PM (mJ8mX)

152 whoa.

http://tinyurl.com/y9sx8j78
=======
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/ tag/ cnns-jason-kessler/

Poll: Most New Yorkers side with protesters
By CNN Assignment Editor Jason Kessler
October 17th, 2011

Wall Street protests grow after unions' endorsement
By Jason Kessler and Michael Martinez, CNN
October 5, 2011

Unions endorse, will join Occupy Wall Street protests
By Jason Kessler and Michael Martinez
October 4, 2011

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:26 PM (2wRtc)

153 You are our people no matter where you originally hailed from.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (FTXAT)

^^^^^
THIS!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:26 PM (gwPgz)

154 It looks like Jason Kessler, the guy who started the "white supremacy"
group in WV , may not only have been an Obamanoid Occupooper, but also
may have written at least 3 articles for CNN.
***
Well, there is a Jason Kessler who is a writer for CNN that is true:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/23/health/new-york-large-drinks/index.html

Dunno if it is the same guy.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2017 09:26 PM (aZq03)

155 America made a huge mistake giving an enigma personified a shot at running our country. And for no other reason than his skin color, and the guy spent 8 years dividing the black and white population. He encouraged rudeness and bad manners in both races interactions with each other. In spite of his mishandling and general assholery, I will continue to have manners and treat people as I would have them treat me. I will not, however, abide rudeness nor be mistreated by anyone. Especially people that I have wronged in absolutely no way at all.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (zLDYs)

156 Oh, Jane. Horrible.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (Qp1Cp)

157 >>>But I am freaked out about the cemeteries.

Based on what?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (RrhD2)

158 Okay, past 100.

Has this already been discussed?

Does anyone recall the 2004 train bombing in Spain? Weirdly, that brought about the surprise election of a socialist government, which resulted in Spain withdrawing from the Iraq coalition.

The logic was that the guys who bombed the train were 'angry' because Spain was involved.

Turns out, appeasement doesn't work. Who knew?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (OdK9v)

159 Observation: the Klan marched in Skokie, IL for years after the ACLU defended their right to do so. For the first bit it attracted a lot of attention, but as people learned to ignore them they dwindled and I don't think they even do it anymore. And so here we go giving them attention again.

Posted by: tsrblke (new tablet) at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (dzmBR)

160 Well said.
Wife is right!

Posted by: an ol exJarhead at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (r5ls2)

161
I have to bite back on a lot of stuff lately,
because if those statues are offensive, (and they may really have been
offensive to a lot of good people who have just let it go over the
years) than I can accept that.

But I am freaked out about the cemeteries.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:19 PM (Qp1Cp)

Anyone who finds statues of people who have been dead for more than a century offensive is either lying or they offend way too easy.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (FTXAT)

162 I don't think I would ever "make a scene" with the owner/operator of a food truck. (I generally don't boycott for political reasons either.) Perhaps that will eventually be a problem.

A food truck is irrelevant in the big picture. Or is it?

Would you put a Trump sticker on your car in a liberal city? Perhaps not since you don't want it vandalized. Would it be vandalized? Would a food truck with an anti-Trump sign in a Trumpian city be vandalized?

In a social media driven world, what is the danger of your sentiment being unseen? How long before there are no food trucks that don't offend you or insult you or mock you? How long before you cease your boycotts or else have nowhere to shop or nowhere to do so safely? When have you lost?

Posted by: RioBravo at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (giT7q)

163 The whole Charlottesville thing was a false flag op? Whoa... Mind blown if true!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (e9G8E)

164 Dunno if it is the same guy.

Posted by: 18-1
===

Could be coincidence.

I'll wait and see what the Weaponized Autists at 4 chan come up with.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (2wRtc)

165 Second terror attack in Spain.

"Spanish state broadcaster RTVE reported that the suspects may have been
wearing explosive belts, as police tweeted that they were carrying out
several controlled explosions."

Sky News

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (aT+Bx)

166 Well ... fuck it. I've got to have your debut album. Simply must have it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:23 PM (fiGNd)

Sadly (or fortunately), that'll never happen. I haven't even picked up my guitars in probably six months. I may try some songwriting in the future, but right now I've just too many other things going on to do it properly.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (yzxic)

167 143.

But no Irish.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (fA1SL)

168 >>>Dunno if it is the same guy.

There are more than 100 Jason Kesslers in the US.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (RrhD2)

169 But I am freaked out about the cemeteries.

Based on what?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (RrhD2)
BSG, don't start that shit again.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:29 PM (FTXAT)

170 Read shibumi's link.

Seriously.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:15 PM (2wRtc)

That photo of Obama in the Kessler-douche's twatter feed; it looks like his "play-time with Reggie" face.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:29 PM (2le8w)

171 Not me. Couldn't follow the punctuation.
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don't blame alex. maybe she can't reach the keys properly like us and archie?
and this tablet is great having the question mark without needing 'shift'.

Posted by: fleas at August 17, 2017 09:29 PM (mJ8mX)

172 Dunno if it is the same guy.

Posted by: 18-1
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If you read the Tweets, they seem to come from the same person.

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:29 PM (aT+Bx)

173 if I could wave a magic wand and kill all the nazi/WS/kkk types throughout the US with HIV encephalitis, they couldn't fill the pews of Rev Wrights nazi church.

Posted by: avi at August 17, 2017 09:29 PM (jBXZd)

174 In July, 2011, the Angelos plaintiffs were awarded, in sum, half a billion dollars in compensatory damages and another 1.5 billion dollars in punitive damages for fraud.

I'm in the process of buying a house just under a mile from the former station in this case, so I know way more about it than I wanted to. (Said house is very deliberately far, far away from any public transportation in case SHTF). People with wells within 1/4 mile of the station were getting tap water that could start a motorcycle, and I'm only slightly exaggerating.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 17, 2017 09:30 PM (5dOnv)

175 BSG, don't start that shit again.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:29 PM (FTXAT)

Amen!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:30 PM (iVOAv)

176 Imagine seattle.
Imagine Seattle as a food truck.
Imagine Seattle covered in stickers.

It will be a cold day in hell before Seattle ever sees another dollar of mine.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2017 09:30 PM (0tfLf)

177 Turns out, appeasement doesn't work. Who knew?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (OdK9v)

----------------------------------------

Neither does anything else apparently.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 17, 2017 09:30 PM (giT7q)

178 Sadly (or fortunately), that'll never happen. I haven't even picked up my guitars in probably six months. I may try some songwriting in the future, but right now I've just too many other things going on to do it properly.
Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (yzxic)

Slick ... I feel ya'. I used to play - got a little rusty - and now I just get pissed when I pick it up.

Stay with it. I assume you can sing ? I can't. I can play a little - but not sing.

Don't give it up. That's a talent.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:30 PM (fiGNd)

179 >>>BSG, don't start that shit again.

So no questions?
Is this a safe space?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:31 PM (RrhD2)

180 Also... journalists are no longer journalists. They ARE fake news.

I know it's weird going to these bizarre sources for information.

However... please don't discount them. IIRC, it was Drudge who broke the Lewinsky story.

Just because something is not mainstream doesn't mean it has to be wrong.

It could be wrong.

But it also could be right.

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:31 PM (aT+Bx)

181 >>>BSG, don't start that shit again.

So no questions?

Is this a safe space?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:31 PM (RrhD2)

Why don't you take a break and go bowling?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 09:31 PM (PY9jH)

182 OAN is going to do an interview with Kessler. Supposed to be on sometime this weekend.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at August 17, 2017 09:32 PM (CNHr1)

183 both sides want the conflict as a tool to radicalize the vast center which wants nothing to do with either of the. They want you to choose a boogeymen to fear. In that way they can grow their power and numbers.

Of course the media plays right into it, giving them millions in free advertising.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 17, 2017 09:32 PM (vChNs)

184 However... please don't discount them. IIRC, it was Drudge who broke the Lewinsky story.
***
Was it the National Enquirer that broke the John Edwards story?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2017 09:32 PM (aZq03)

185 the anarchists are really not gonna like their cell phone reception when the anarchy *really* shows up

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at August 17, 2017 09:32 PM (CL76w)

186 >>>Why don't you take a break and go bowling?

It's not my turn right now.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:32 PM (RrhD2)

187 Average American: Are these the Nazis, Mr. President?

Two Scoops Donald: No, Son, these men are momma's boys, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Pencil Neck Bike Hat Guy: Ve don't care. Ve still vant ze money, Trump, or ve fuck you ups.

Two Scoops Donald: Fuck you. Fuck all of you.

Republican Spineless Senator : Hey, cool it Mr. President.

Two Scoops Donald: No, without law and order, everyone loses. Those are the fucking rules.

Mask Wearing Pajama Boy: His girlfriend got run over by a car for us!

BLM Wannabe: She thought we'd be getting a million dollars!

Pencil Neck Nike Hat Guy: Iss not fair!

Two Scoops Donald: Fair! WHO'S THE FUCKING MOMMA'S BOY HERE! WHAT ARE YOU, A BUNCH OF FUCKING CRYBABIES?

The Bush Family: Hey, cool it Mr. President. Look, Trump, we like our privilege and money. The stupid taxpayers have filled our pockets and there is no need to rock the boat.

[Stunned, the BLM/Antifa/Commies confer amongst themselves again]

Average American: Are they gonna hurt us, Mr. President?

2 Scoops Donald: No, Son. These men are cowards.

Pencil Neck Bike Hat Guy: Okay. So we take ze money you haf on you, und ve calls it eefen.

2 Scoops Donald: Fuck you!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 17, 2017 09:32 PM (5VlCp)

188
"At one recent speech in favor of Charlottesville's status as a
sanctuary city, Kessler live-streamed himself as an attendee questioned
him and apologized for an undisclosed spat during Kessler's apparent
involvement with Occupy. Kessler appeared visibly perturbed by the
woman's presence and reminders of their past association."
===

From SPLC.

This could be fun.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:33 PM (2wRtc)

189 I recall that it was the National Enquirer that broke the John Edwards story...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at August 17, 2017 09:34 PM (e9G8E)

190 BSG, don't start that shit again.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:29 PM (FTXAT)

Amen!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:30 PM (iVOAv)

Moved and seconded (thanks Fen).

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:34 PM (FTXAT)

191 I assume you can sing ? I can't. I can play a little - but not sing.

Don't give it up. That's a talent.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:30 PM (fiGNd)

I still do the odd karaoke night, just for the hell of it. My problem was I got to Nashville too late, I should have gone a few years sooner. I literally had an AR guy tell me, "You've got talent, but your sound is dated and you're not a marketable image." Translation: you're too old for the bubblegum pop version of country music that we're pushing out now. I was 34 when that happened.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:34 PM (yzxic)

192 Well I don't suppose you'd consider the chance this is organized top down insurrection and no amount t of good behavior is going to stop the violence. Because the paymasters want violence and will get what they pay for?

Posted by: Simplemind at August 17, 2017 09:34 PM (ZuGkg)

193 That photo of Obama in the Kessler-douche's twatter feed; it looks like his "play-time with Reggie" face.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
==

*snort*

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:35 PM (2wRtc)

194 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:27 PM (RrhD2)

Based on them literally trying to dig up Forrest in Memphis, and some guy on Madison WI making them move a plaque designating Confederate burial sites.

Now, AFAIK, Forrest's relatives have been fine with him being moved, but some ghouls yesterday decided it wasn't being done quickly enough, and started actually trying to dig him up.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:35 PM (Qp1Cp)

195 Even Snopes has admitted Jason Kessler was an Obama supporter. He formed his white supremacist group upon Trump's election.

In addition, that fucking piece of shit company in LA that hires actors to go to protests was advertising for people to go to Charlottesville last weekend.

Call me Alex Jones all you want. This reeks of false flag. Tonkin Gulf 2 was a lie. Question every incident.

Posted by: S at August 17, 2017 09:35 PM (poT2p)

196 Well I don't suppose you'd consider the chance this is organized top
down insurrection and no amount t of good behavior is going to stop the
violence. Because the paymasters want violence and will get what they
pay for?
===

Consider it? I'm am convinced of this.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:36 PM (2wRtc)

197 Yeah, I get it. It isn't worth fighting about.

But I am pretty fucking sick amd tired of me and mine and everything I believe in demonized relentlessly for the last 45 fucking years.

Other cheek status: Turned, but weary.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 17, 2017 09:36 PM (df7zy)

198 *hugs Jane tight*

I'm so sorry.

Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (dEQP3)

199 "and some guy on Madison WI making them move a plaque designating Confederate burial sites. "

It's Paul Soglin, the mayor of Madison, responsible for this shit. He's beloved in Madison because he was also mayor in the 70s and was a typical New Leftie. That's why he'll probably get away with it. I'm hoping there will be some sort of event to protest.

Posted by: S at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (poT2p)

200 I would have ordered about $100 worth of goremess sandwiches with the most awful toppings and as he presented me with my food and the amount due tell him to piss on his wares and split.

Posted by: BantiFA at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (XqcPO)

201 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (PY9jH)

Just awful. I'm sorry.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (0mRoj)

202 Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (2wRtc)

203 161 - I have mixed feelings about the statues.

I have no difficulty believing that plenty of black folks have no love of the Confederacy and are sincerely put off by statues of Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (H5knJ)

204 Oh lord, me and BSG are fine, he does not bother me at all.

I keep telling y'all, I have 8 brothers.

Most are argumentative and all are opinionated.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:38 PM (Qp1Cp)

205
Central Oregon roads at a full standstill and many vehicles are running out of fuel because....Eclipse !1!!1!!!

Posted by: Under Fire at August 17, 2017 09:00 PM (mcI77)

LOL. My brother lives near Bend and he has been dreading this for months.

Posted by: mark1971 at August 17, 2017 09:38 PM (xPl2J)

206 There are more than 100 Jason Kesslers in the US.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:28 PM (RrhD2)

Well, it appears the one who filed a story for CNN is a Leftist. That much is certain.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:38 PM (2le8w)

207 161:Anyone who finds statues of people who have been dead for more than a century offensive is either lying or they offend way too easy.
Posted by: redbanzai

Go with lying. Its all about Power. The heady thrill of destroying, intimidating, and forcing others of submit you your will.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 17, 2017 09:38 PM (pY+s4)

208 Eclipse is coming! Prepare your sacrifices! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2017 09:39 PM (0mRoj)

209 So if it is a Soros funded operation does anything happen to Kessler or does he just go on to his next well paid assignment with a group with a different name?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:39 PM (iVOAv)

210 I literally had an AR guy tell me, "You've got talent, but your sound is dated and you're not a marketable image."

No shit ? Well - for your sake, I hope we don't ever hit a MoMee - 'cause I'll bug the shit out of you the entire night for stories.

That's damn cool.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:39 PM (fiGNd)

211 Revenge is a dish best served cold.
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Or artisanal sandwiches.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 17, 2017 09:40 PM (mJ8mX)

212 Translation: you're too old for the bubblegum pop version of country music that we're pushing out now. I was 34 when that happened.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:34 PM (yzxic)

Country ain't country any more!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:40 PM (gwPgz)

213 So the take home is that if your kids are with you don't shoot the AntiFa in the face. Good tip.

I have only two issues with your post:
1) I think we are approaching a critical mass, a stoichiometric cultural moment where it will be perfectly OK and legal in all forms of media and government to attack "conservatives".
2) I'm a Southern Man and I don't care a whole lot about most statues but I just heard that a sculpture/statue I have always loved is going to be torn down by a mob in Houston this weekend. It is beautiful if seen in person and up close and many years ago I heard it was moved once because "people were offended" and now they are "offended" again. Only they have announced that they plan to destroy it. It is a beautiful winged angel with a sword at rest called "The Spirit of the Confederacy". I may have to go down there and make a stand right or wrong smart or stupid because some communist assholes think I should lie down while they take whatever they want.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:40 PM (B9t7n)

214 I have no difficulty believing that plenty of black
folks have no love of the Confederacy and are sincerely put off by
statues of Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (H5knJ)

Even if they are offended, they don't get to choose. I do not actually believe they are though. This is just a Taliban-esque removal of history and demonization of... well... us.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:41 PM (FTXAT)

215 Well, it appears the one who filed a story for CNN is a Leftist. That much is certain.
===

Jason Kessler , the head of the Charlottesville group, was an Occupy/Obamite - until January 2017. When he became a "Trump supporting white nationalist".

Jason Kessler, CNN reporter, wrote in depth stories on Occupy Wall Street in 2011.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:41 PM (2wRtc)

216 >>>209

You saw Project Veritas. They dive under for a little bit, and bob up elsewhere.

Posted by: S at August 17, 2017 09:41 PM (poT2p)

217 Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (H5knJ)

Me, either.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:41 PM (Qp1Cp)

218 Go with lying. Its all about Power. The heady thrill of destroying, intimidating, and forcing others of submit you your will.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 17, 2017 09:38 PM (pY+s4)

This.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:42 PM (FTXAT)

219
What got me the other day was the local news ran this "dispelling eclipse myths" piece. They informed me that, no, eating food prepared during an eclipse is not poisonous. It won't hurt you. And there was some other weapons grade stupid they mentioned.

It reminds me of this moon crap. I was told one time, boy, I knew you wuz smart. Well, thanks, why. You's cutting your wood at the right phase of the Moon. Uh, okay. Had no clue, just happened to be cutting some at that time.

Then, even digging post holes depends on the proper phase of the Moon. If it's not right, you'll have too much dirt left over. Or not enough, depending on the phase.

I'm not making this shit up.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 17, 2017 09:42 PM (8O3HH)

220 Jason Kessler , the head of the Charlottesville group, was an Occupy/Obamite - until January 2017. When he became a "Trump supporting white nationalist".

Jason Kessler, CNN reporter, wrote in depth stories on Occupy Wall Street in 2011.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:41 PM (2wRtc)

Wolf Blitzed: Maybe one of them is a copycat Jason Kessler

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:42 PM (auHtY)

221 Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:40 PM (B9t7n)

Are you fucking kidding me? They moved that once already!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:43 PM (Qp1Cp)

222 If it's coincidence, it's a pretty good one.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:43 PM (2wRtc)

223 BTW Apple just announced that in the wake of CVille they are donating $1 million to the SPLC and $1 million to the anti-defamation league.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (B9t7n)

224 Eclipse is coming! Prepare your sacrifices! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2017 09:39 PM (0mRoj)

=======

Naahhh. I will be at my nicely secluded cabin in Morganton, GA, catching it with the wife and some friends. If it is like the rapture or something, at least we will go out in style.

Posted by: GOULD at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (lCt1V)

225 Juan Williams is still an idiot and full of crap.

BTW Dems put those states up. This is an idiotic debate. I've got to go back to the ice cream sundae.

Posted by: Farmer at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (yJ1e6)

226 Oh ... and before I forget ... EVERYTHING IS FALLING TO SHIT !!! WE'RE ALL SCREWED !!!

CS - where'd you play ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (fiGNd)

227 Oh sure you didn't protest when they dug up the corpse of Nathan Forest.

And then they cloned him, and everything is fine. Just fine.

And now you have a pissed-off bio-racist riding a T-Rex and the electric fences just went out. You fckrs thought you COULD, but didn't ask if you SHOULD.

Damn you all.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (rnAwa)

228 I'm not making this shit up.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 17, 2017 09:42 PM (8O3HH)

Stop arguing with science!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (gwPgz)

229 Next thing, the Muzzies will tear down the huge statue of El Cid on horseback in Balboa Park.

And the cops will stand around and watch it.

Posted by: JAS at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (UnDQI)

230 Or artisanal sandwiches.

Posted by: andycanuck
===

Or on an MLT, when the mutton is just right.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (2wRtc)

231 Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 09:37 PM (H5knJ)

Me, either.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:41 PM (Qp1Cp)

I don't think they are Tammy... that would be as stupid as me getting upset that there are statues and portraits of Edward Longshanks.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:45 PM (FTXAT)

232 >>>"Based on them literally trying to dig up Forrest in Memphis, and some guy on Madison WI making them move a plaque designating Confederate burial sites.

Now, AFAIK, Forrest's relatives have been fine with him being moved, but some ghouls yesterday decided it wasn't being done quickly enough, and started actually trying to dig him up."

The decision to return LTG Forrest to his original burial place was made some years ago. He was dug up in 1904 and moved to where he is now. Now they're moving him back to his original place. The 'digging him up' was a symbolic tantrum to try to make it happen faster.

My understanding on Madison is the plaque was removed and will be replaced with different language.

These may or may not be upsetting, but dont necessarily presage desecration of Confederate cemeteries (albeit I don't know where you live or which cemetery you're referring to).

Thanks for the reply.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:45 PM (RrhD2)

233 George Harrison may have anticipated our national divorce.

https://youtu.be/UV3v-oEooFo

Posted by: Toad-O at August 17, 2017 09:45 PM (cct0t)

234
And when they say it's just about Confederate statues. In Chicago today some torched a statue of Lincoln. Because I guess he had something to do with slaves

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (auHtY)

235 Tearing down statues the lefty weirdos suddenly think are offensive= awesome

Defunding NAtional endowment for the Arts because their art is offensive=Fascist!!

I need a playbook.

Posted by: LASue at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (hZ+us)

236 BTW Apple just announced that in the wake of CVille they are donating $1 million to the SPLC and $1 million to the anti-defamation league.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (B9t7n)

SO I should go with Android by Goolag?

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (gwPgz)

237 BTW Apple just announced that in the wake of CVille
they are donating $1 million to the SPLC and $1 million to the
anti-defamation league.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (B9t7n)

Well, I guess Rush will catch hell tomorrow.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (yzxic)

238 The people being driven to do this stupid shit are victims too. Their schools and parents, if they had any, have failed them. They have no job prospects, replaced by foreigners or robots.
Extremist ideologies offer solace and a place to put blame. Sort of like gangs do. "They took me in when nobody else would" The Manson girls said the same thing. Nice girls who were homecoming queens. "Kill the Pigs!" "Kill your parents! It's Groovy! That's where it's at!" sez Bernadine Dohrn, Billy Ayers wife, mimicing and high fiving the Manson nutcases.

The real movers and shakers often don't give a fuck about anybody they purport to be oh so concerned about, except to be used, and then discarded.

The scam is wearing pretty thin though, that's why it's ramped to eleventy. I don't want to know what their plan B is.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (ezX5B)

239 Anyone who finds statues of people who have been dead for more than a century offensive is either lying or they offend way too easy.
Posted by: redbanzai

Eh, I am not so sure about that.

Most of it is ginned up nonsense, but you can't tell me that someone who remembers not being able to eat at the same cafe as a white person might not see that statue of General Lee from a different perspective.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (Qp1Cp)

240 Then, even digging post holes depends on the proper phase of the Moon. If it's not right, you'll have too much dirt left over. Or not enough, depending on the phase.

I'm not making this shit up.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear

You really are smart. It's a waning crescent tonight. No electrons left over.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (B9t7n)

241 Mmm. MLT.

Posted by: homer at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (mJ8mX)

242 SO I should go with Android by Goolag?
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (gwPgz)

--------------------------

Microsoft !!!

Posted by: RioBravo at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (giT7q)

243
Heh. I wonder if I could get some chicks around here to believe in, uh, some "eclipse rituals" I might make up. If you know what I mean.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (8O3HH)

244 Somebody was wondering how we fill those balloons with piss and shit?

Posted by: Bill, the Fascist Antifa Copraphage at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (df7zy)

245 It is a sad commentary when a person's self validation is encapsulated in a bumper sticker slogan.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 17, 2017 09:47 PM (N96yY)

246 BTW Apple just announced that in the wake of CVille they are donating $1 million to the SPLC and $1 million to the anti-defamation league.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (B9t7n)

SO I should go with Android by Goolag?

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (gwPgz)

Not a good choice around is there

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (auHtY)

247 And when they say it's just about Confederate
statues. In Chicago today some torched a statue of Lincoln. Because I
guess he had something to do with slaves

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (auHtY)

Also the defaced a statue of Joan of Arc in New Orleans today.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (FTXAT)

248 >>>Most are argumentative and all are opinionated.

Sound like great guys!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (RrhD2)

249 More interesting info on Charlottesville:

http://yournewswire.com/charlottesville-inside-job/

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (aT+Bx)

250 BTW Apple just announced that in the wake of CVille they are donating $1 million to the SPLC and $1 million to the anti-defamation league.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (B9t7n)

(to secretary) Honey, would you fetch me that yacht catalog?

Posted by: Morris Dees at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (2le8w)

251 In addition, that fucking piece of shit company in LA that hires actors to go to protests was advertising for people to go to Charlottesville last weekend.
====

I would love to believe that the tiki-torch parade was full of actors... but some of the headliners at the Unite the Right event are actual racist jagoffs. (Or at least, they've been playing that part for a few years, now.) I wouldn't be surprised if they could round up a couple of hundred actual racist jagoffs to march with them.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (OVUYQ)

252 Would you put a Trump sticker on your car in a liberal city? Perhaps not since you don't want it vandalized. Would it be vandalized? Would a food truck with an anti-Trump sign in a Trumpian city be vandalized?

That was my challenge to a liberal acquaintance, who doubted that leftists are prone to violence/vandalism: I'll put on my car a Bernie/Hillary bumper sticker, if he'll put on his car a Trump sticker.

Crickets.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (SRKgf)

253 213 Barbarians aren't defined by their ability to appreciate art.

Posted by: kallisto at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (7l5V0)

254 Naahhh. I will be at my nicely secluded cabin in Morganton, GA, catching it with the wife and some friends. If it is like the rapture or something, at least we will go out in style.
Posted by: GOULD at August 17, 2017 09:44 PM (lCt1V)

Since I have no cabin, wife or friends I'll be sticking to my original plan.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (0mRoj)

255 Banana Splits Guy

I see the reactions to your post. There is an expectation that we are up to speed with the zeitgeist of the week, (true or not) and if we need information we ask specific questions.

Your question was just a tad out of tempo. We have a Red Guard component that wants to stamp their boots in our faces. Many tactics are used, and desecrating and denigrating the honored dead in cemeteries is the latest tactic. We are kinda expected to know this. (Maybe not at my cardboard membership status level, but work with me here.)

How is that go-fund-me effort for your inamorata's hand going? I looked it up -- Dr. Timothy Leary was Winona's godfather!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (hyuyC)

256 212 Translation: you're too old for the bubblegum pop version of country music that we're pushing out now. I was 34 when that happened.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:34 PM (yzxic)

Country ain't country any more!
Posted by: Hrothgar

Was channel surfing in the car the other day and stopped at the local (DC) country station. Well, it was suppose too be the country station. It just sounded like dull pop music to me. Not terrible, just forgettable. Like Muzak. Mostly though, it wasn't country.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (pY+s4)

257 1 million to the SPLC-Is there anyone else left for them to demonize?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (iVOAv)

258 248 >>>Most are argumentative and all are opinionated.

Sound like great guys!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (RrhD2)

Go piss up a rope !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (fiGNd)

259 Also the defaced a statue of Joan of Arc in New Orleans today.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (FTXAT)

Yup, this has nothing to do with the Confederacy. This is Red Guard shit out to destroy our heritage and history

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (auHtY)

260 248. Like hell they do!
*punches BSG in the arm*

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (fA1SL)

261 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:45 PM (RrhD2)

Yes and I think the 1904 move was done out of pure spite, which is why I don't have an issue with him being moved back to his people.

What kind of language is going to be on the plaque in Madison, did they say?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (Qp1Cp)

262 Most of it is ginned up nonsense, but you can't tell me that someone who
remembers not being able to eat at the same cafe as a white person
might not see that statue of General Lee from a different perspective.

***
Of course if you know *anything* about Robert E Lee this wouldn't be the case.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2017 09:50 PM (aZq03)

263 So, when is Shitcago gonna take down that statue of Mussolini?

Posted by: JAS at August 17, 2017 09:50 PM (UnDQI)

264 254. Hard to go wrong with a blood sacrifice.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 17, 2017 09:50 PM (fA1SL)

265 And when they say it's just about Confederate
statues. In Chicago today some torched a statue of Lincoln. Because I
guess he had something to do with slaves

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:46 PM (auHtY)

Also the defaced a statue of Joan of Arc in New Orleans today.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (FTXAT)

-----------------------------

DEAD WHITE MALES !! Well, maybe not Joan

Posted by: RioBravo at August 17, 2017 09:50 PM (giT7q)

266 Sound like great guys!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:48 PM (RrhD2)

Go piss up a rope !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (fiGNd)

God I love this place..... and both of you assholes!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (Qp1Cp)

267 Ha, Lincoln statue vandalized in Chicago.

Gonna assume it's bothered the perps for some time, but they just never said anything about it, so no big deal. Lincoln was pretty racist, by today's standards. And there was all that constitution-shredding stuff.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (QDnY+)

268 When everything falls to shit .... I want the job playing the guitar in the new Mad Max movie. But CS is going to have to do any singing. I'm strictly instrumental.

And no assless chaps. Or Levis.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (fiGNd)

269 >> Go piss up a rope !!!

That'll cost you extra.

But see our synchronized pissing group discount.

Posted by: Russian piss whore at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (8O3HH)

270 The decision to return LTG Forrest to his original
burial place was made some years ago. He was dug up in 1904 and moved to
where he is now. Now they're moving him back to his original place. The
'digging him up' was a symbolic tantrum to try to make it happen
faster.

My understanding on Madison is the plaque was removed and will be replaced with different language.

These may or may not be upsetting, but dont necessarily presage
desecration of Confederate cemeteries (albeit I don't know where you
live or which cemetery you're referring to).

Thanks for the reply.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:45 PM (RrhD2)

BSG you seriously need to freaking stop. God or the Fates seem intent on proving you wrong by causing the things that you say won't happen to happen the very next day.

Stop speaking the desecration of our grandfathers' graves into existence.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (FTXAT)

271 >>> someone who remembers not being able to eat at the same cafe as a white person might not see that statue of General Lee from a different perspective.

None of those old farts are throwing rocks.

Posted by: fluffy at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (U0v/A)

272 Was channel surfing in the car the other day and
stopped at the local (DC) country station. Well, it was suppose too be
the country station. It just sounded like dull pop music to me. Not
terrible, just forgettable. Like Muzak. Mostly though, it wasn't
country.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (pY+s4)

Here's some Shooter Jennings for you:
https://youtu.be/srtt7nudDy0

Posted by: Country Singer at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (yzxic)

273 As I understand it, the National Parks service already removed all Confederate paraphernalia from the gift shop. Apparently, the new narrative is the Union soldiers were fighting themselves there.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:17 PM (FTXAT)

Just like the Nazis and Klan were fighting themselves while the Normandy troops of antifa were watching peacefully

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (auHtY)

274 219
What got me the other day was the local news ran this "dispelling eclipse myths" piece. They informed me that, no, eating food prepared during an eclipse is not poisonous. It won't hurt you. And there was some other weapons grade stupid they mentioned.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 17, 2017 09:42 PM (8O3HH)

Yeah, it reminds me of the phrase I keep seeing to describe a lunar eclipse: "Blood Moon". I've only seen that in the past few years.

WTF? It sounds like something out of a backwards superstitious society. Like there needs to be a sacrifice to appease the angry gods.

I NEVER heard that phrase when I was a kid. I learned exactly what a lunar eclipse was, and why they happen.

But then again, I grew up in America, the shining beacon of Western Civilization.

Posted by: rickl at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (sdi6R)

275 BTW Apple just announced that in the wake of CVille they are donating $1
million to the SPLC and $1 million to the anti-defamation league.

===

Oh. How nice.

Posted by: Asian Apple Child-Laborer Working His Third Straight Day at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (2wRtc)

276 *ONT is NOOD!!!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (Ckg4U)

277 I totally agree with your logic.

Unfortunately, here is the thing, we have legitimate politicians in positions of power that give legs to these fringe (increasingly mainstream) alt-lefts.

In order to avoid conflict, I may switch sandwich lines, but what do I do when the government officials say that all sandwiches must be purchased from such a vendor?

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 17, 2017 09:52 PM (nNKHW)

278 Gotta disagree. The average lefty wants free stuff, taken from workers by armed men - the definition of slavers. The left wants to enslave, demean, degrade and humiliate. They know it is wrong and evil, so they hint at it - to see who recoils in disgust and who want to be evil too. Push push push to see what they can get away with.

That is why the have such fun lying, and believing lies, and pretending to believe lies. Push, push push to see how far they can go.

Posted by: dustydog at August 17, 2017 09:52 PM (6BLvJ)

279 What kind of language is going to be on the plaque in Madison, did they say?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:49 PM (Qp1Cp)
Since he called all the soldiers there racists and insurrectionists who were unworthy of honor, it won't be anything but spitting on the dead.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:53 PM (FTXAT)

280 Just got back from a networking event where I met a young guy who was doing some version of personal financial planning. Nice enough guy. Describing his clients, he says they are liberal. I'm usually politically neutral at these events, so I make the obvious point that he's cutting his market in half. He says he doesn't care because his wife is Mexican and doesn't want to work with anybody who supports trump. I pointed out that though I had expected Hillary to win based on news reports and polling, I knew lots of people, including lots of minority people who enthusiastically voted Trump, and that we shouldn't judge 63 million so harshly. He couldn't argue, but he remained morally justified in his little self-righteous cocoon.

Posted by: IanDeal at August 17, 2017 09:54 PM (qcIL3)

281 Any further thought isn't worth my time.

Rather than "worth my time" I phrase it as "worthy of my time." Probably a nitpicking, but I think that being 'unworthy' is a lower status than being 'worthless'.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 17, 2017 09:54 PM (o7l6R)

282 What kind of language is going to be on the plaque in Madison, did they say?
==

DoublegoodNewspeak

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (2wRtc)

283 >>>"I see the reactions to your post. There is an expectation that we are up to speed with the zeitgeist of the week, (true or not) and if we need information we ask specific questions.

Your question was just a tad out of tempo. We have a Red Guard component that wants to stamp their boots in our faces. Many tactics are used, and desecrating and denigrating the honored dead in cemeteries is the latest tactic. We are kinda expected to know this."

I asked because I have not seen this or even heard rumors of this. And I am within driving distance of an incredible number of Confederate and Civil War cemeteries.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (RrhD2)

284 Then, even digging post holes depends on the proper phase of the Moon. If it's not right, you'll have too much dirt left over. Or not enough, depending on the phase.
---------

Cutting fenceposts too, among other things. "Planting by signs", certain crops, harvesting, slaughtering. To be fair they aren't actually doing those things at night, in the light of the moon, but observing the calendar and scheduling certain things. Farmers aren't as dumb as you think. Trust me. Some of 'em are.

I don't ridicule stuff that I don't know for certain about. Most people today would lose track of what year it is if they didn't have a calendar to remind them.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (ezX5B)

285 None of those old farts are throwing rocks.

Posted by: fluffy at August 17, 2017 09:51 PM (U0v/A)

I expect most of the hood rats wouldn't recognize either Jeff Davis or Rob't E. Lee. Not like they get taught history in the schools they play hooky from.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (2le8w)

286 Jane D'oh, please take care of you and yours. Let go and let God. Carrying other peoples' baggage is an airport thing. You're not the airport.

Posted by: Corona at August 17, 2017 09:24 PM (xzi2G)

Exactly. Brian Denehey is The Airport.

Moose out front shoulda toldja.

/lighthearted

Prayers for your friend's family of course, Jane. But ardent prayers for YOU. Whole damn Horde is gonna surround you with love and hold you up.

Couple of the morons might try to sneak in a grope or two, but hey, they're Morons.

Point is, you're on our team, ma'am. And we're all on Team Jane D'oh.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (MGCfm)

287 Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:53 PM (FTXAT

Kinda what I am afraid of!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (Qp1Cp)

288 I have no difficulty believing that plenty of black folks have no love of the Confederacy and are sincerely put off by statues of Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee.
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk
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No doubt. I can assure you that I can only feel repugnance for the statue of William T. Sherman, nor do I feel much warmth for the Lincoln Memorial.

Do you suppose that I feel that they ought to be torn down? No.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2017 09:56 PM (OdK9v)

289 >>>BSG you seriously need to freaking stop. God or the Fates seem intent on proving you wrong by causing the things that you say won't happen to happen the very next day.

I will never be with Winona.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 17, 2017 09:57 PM (RrhD2)

290 Bring your umbrellas. If you're in the total eclipse zone and it's very humid yet sunny before-hand, (like in the South), be prepared for a rain shower when totality hits regardless of clear skies. The drop in temp will make fast rain out of all that humidity.

Posted by: Corona at August 17, 2017 09:57 PM (xzi2G)

291
Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:53 PM (FTXAT

Kinda what I am afraid of!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (Qp1Cp)

Apparently, we the living are supposed to hang our heads in shame for having such eeevil relatives. Screw that... they were men of there time and good men at that.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 09:58 PM (FTXAT)

292 285
I expect most of the hood rats wouldn't recognize either Jeff Davis or Rob't E. Lee. Not like they get taught history in the schools they play hooky from.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2017 09:55 PM (2le8w)

They're not taught American History. They're taught slavery and Communist propaganda.

Posted by: rickl at August 17, 2017 09:58 PM (sdi6R)

293 The thing your wife did, that was SOP when I was growing up. There seems to be a rule nowadays that if you disagree with someone, they are entitled to hear your opinion. Which is so bizarre to me. Like they don't already know people disagree with them until you tell them? And what you say is gonna make them change their mind? That's not how people are wired. As you said, that man would have gotten a charge out of what your reaction would have been.

When I grew up we tried to find commonalities. Now, it's like people are looking for perfection in each other or we cannot co-exist. Your wife also taught your son that there is a time and place for things. That event was not the time to make a fuss on this issue. See, it seems we've lost that. Everything is now political. We always have to give our opinion no matter what the event.

It's ruining us. When I hear marriages and relationships and friendships are having issues b/c of politics, it is clear things have gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 17, 2017 09:59 PM (NH+2c)

294 " Because I guess he had something to do with slaves"

Yes, I do believe he was somewhat marginally involved in the issue of slavery.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2017 10:00 PM (J+eG2)

295 >>Jason Kessler, CNN reporter, wrote in depth stories on Occupy Wall Street in 2011.

He also wrote about antifa for the other Charles Johnson. Also kind of a kook.

http://tinyurl.com/ydagj9rh

Until I see otherwise I'm going to assume he's your basic garden variety anti-semite that moves from side to side whenever he sees an opportunity to promote his views.

Occupy Wall Street was a very anti-Jew movement. So is Unite the Right. That seems to be the one thing he is constant about.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2017 10:01 PM (/tuJf)

296 Spanish cops arrest two suspects though not the drivers; kill four and injure one in op south of Barcelona; 13 dead, 100 injured; Isis group claims responsibility.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 17, 2017 10:01 PM (mJ8mX)

297 I'd be proud of the insurrectionist part, don't get me wrong.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 17, 2017 10:02 PM (Qp1Cp)

298 Exactly! The breathless corporate media is also culpable for fanning the flames with intent to incite further violence. They are creating the atmosphere at the behest of the oligarchy which owns them. Chaos and anarchy is a prerequisite to going full retard communism when the gubmint steps in "for the good" of the people.

Posted by: KauaiGoneGin at August 17, 2017 10:02 PM (Axg8n)

299 280: fast forward ten years ., he's living out of his car due to his wife dumping him for some rich identitarian.

Posted by: kallisto at August 17, 2017 10:03 PM (7l5V0)

300 247 - I don't doubt that Antifa and the like are full of destructive thugs who simply hate our civilization; those folks are largely too ignorant of history to be offended by it. And I have no problem jailing those criminals for their illegal acts.

But like the display of Confederate flags at government sites years ago, the Confederate statues raise issues that are more complicated. Those who tear them down are criminals, but I think reasonable folks can peacably object to their display, and thoughtful conservatives should at least consider how much time and energy the defense of those statues (beyond prosecuting vandals) merit.

I think we conservatives have some blind spots, and the black community's not unreasonable antipathy for the Old South tends to be among them.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 10:04 PM (H5knJ)

301 The big problem is that Nazism is demonized in our culture, while Communism, which is every bit as evil and totalitarian, is given a pass.

Example: "Muppets Most Wanted" -- I love the Muppets, but a musical number extolling the virtues of the gulag?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 17, 2017 10:05 PM (fVubI)

302 Here's some Shooter Jennings for you:
https://youtu.be/srtt7nudDy0
Posted by: Country Singer

Liked his father better. :-)

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 17, 2017 10:06 PM (pY+s4)

303 Sadly, video evidence shows that the young lady who lost her life was chasing the car, and was bashing the back of it with a wooden pole when he backed up and pushed her into a parked truck. It was completely avoidable. And useless.

Posted by: Max Blancke at August 17, 2017 10:06 PM (X57JG)

304 Another excellent piece, Warden - on point.

Posted by: Afroman at August 17, 2017 10:07 PM (ObHIR)

305 Sadly, video evidence shows that the young lady who lost her life was chasing the car, and was bashing the back of it with a wooden pole when he backed up and pushed her into a parked truck.

Are you talking about this?

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502664818627.webm

I think the dead rat was in front of the car he struck not on the back.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 17, 2017 10:08 PM (LTHVh)

306 247 - I don't doubt that Antifa and the like are
full of destructive thugs who simply hate our civilization; those folks
are largely too ignorant of history to be offended by it. And I have no
problem jailing those criminals for their illegal acts.

But like the display of Confederate flags at government sites years
ago, the Confederate statues raise issues that are more complicated.
Those who tear them down are criminals, but I think reasonable folks can
peacably object to their display, and thoughtful conservatives should
at least consider how much time and energy the defense of those statues
(beyond prosecuting vandals) merit.

I think we conservatives have some blind spots, and the black
community's not unreasonable antipathy for the Old South tends to be
among them.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 10:04 PM (H5knJ)

And I think you are wrong.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 10:11 PM (FTXAT)

307 Yeah, not the Ambrose Hill to die on, a tactic that's worked so well for conservatism the past 60 years.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 17, 2017 10:11 PM (mJ8mX)

308 Yes. If Antifa hadn't shown up what would have been the result? Nothing. They would have gone away. No one would be dead. So stupid.

Posted by: Gem at August 17, 2017 10:12 PM (uaHyk)

309 Good work, Warden.

I call it the Selma Selfie; they're all holding up cameras to capture their own heroism. Or victimhood. This is related to the Glamorous Victim and Associate Victim status, a glorification taught on campus. see also, Faux Hate Crimes.

I think this goes even beyond that, though.

I don't claim special knowledge, but I do believe a few things. I think the Tarmac was about wiretapping the Trumps. I believe Comrade O & Co. hijacked the Agencies to Get Trump. I have no reason to think they have stopped. That's why I think this whole C-ville show with MacAuliffe is just one more agit-prop Black Op to destabilize the nation and Get Trump.

No secret handshake--just observing these criminals for years.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 17, 2017 10:13 PM (Ndje9)

310 My 20 something son was at Charlottesville, inside the area by Lee's statue. When the other groups showed, Antifa and Nazi's etc, he vacated the area. He knew nothing good was going to come of the event. He knew the left was violent, but was shocked to find they are rabid dog violent. He learned first hand how the media lies by turn of phrase, by editing, and by omission. He witnessed the police retreat. He is more than ever committed to defeating them, but I think he now understands that we cannot adopt their tactics. They want chaos in the streets and we should not enable them.

Posted by: Locke Common at August 17, 2017 10:14 PM (I2kp0)

311 Agree 100%. Let the wanna be nazis march and ignore them. They amount to nothing.

Posted by: BoomerSooner at August 17, 2017 10:15 PM (uJpDX)

312 Don't think we can ignore Antifa. They aren't going to stop now that they have tasted blood. They have no reason to. And notice the key difference between them and the "Nazis."

Nobody on Red Team is doing much besides calling the Nazis idiots or LARPers. Meanwhile pretty much everyone on Team Blue is either carefully excising Antifa from news reports entirely or if pushed calling them heroic because SJWs Always Double Down. Most lefties, including the ones you know, wouldn't pick up a ball bat and a black mask but they won't condemn those "heroes" who do, they will provide rhetorical cover for them and otherwise lend them aid and comfort. Try getting any leftie to play the ritual denouncement game, ain't happening.

Exactly like Muslims and the Islamic Terrorists. Most Muslims aren't going to strap on a bomb and go splody. But they are happy to see monuments built to the "heroes" who do, they allow them to operate freely in their communities in the lead up to their "Jihad operation" with no attempt to stop them, report them, etc.

This can't end well.

Posted by: John Morris at August 17, 2017 10:15 PM (sCRhB)

313 I think we conservatives have some blind spots, and the black
community's not unreasonable antipathy for the Old South tends to be
among them.

They can give up "gangsta" "culture" first. It's not as old, should be easier.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 17, 2017 10:15 PM (fVubI)

314 But like the display of Confederate flags at government sites years

ago, the Confederate statues raise issues that are more complicated.

Those who tear them down are criminals, but I think reasonable folks can

peacably object to their display, and thoughtful conservatives should

at least consider how much time and energy the defense of those statues

(beyond prosecuting vandals) merit.

I think we conservatives have some blind spots, and the black

community's not unreasonable antipathy for the Old South tends to be

among them.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 10:04 PM (H5knJ)

And I think you are wrong.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 10:11 PM (FTXAT)

Actually screw that... you are not only wrong you are coddling the enemy. Those statues are of fine men and soldiers who fought for their homeland. They were no more or less racist than any of their generation and not you or anyone else gets to say they were evil... nevermind so evil that their very presence in statue form is an affront to common decency.

You don't get to do that.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 10:16 PM (FTXAT)

315 The Democratic Party is the Confederacy.

Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at August 17, 2017 10:17 PM (LTHVh)

316 The Democratic Party is the Confederacy.

Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at August 17, 2017 10:17 PM (LTHVh)

My great great grandfather was the Confederacy.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 10:18 PM (FTXAT)

317 JackStraw @295 said, "Occupy Wall Street was a very anti-Jew movement. So is Unite the Right. That seems to be the one thing he is constant about."

Of course, all racists hate Jews and one or more other groups. This is why most Jews are self hating, otherwise it would be impossible for them to be as racist as everyone else. [rimshot]

Posted by: John Morris at August 17, 2017 10:22 PM (sCRhB)

318 It's been an odd week. I am on vacation in a lake house with no TV and sporadic internet coverage. I occassionaly checked in on the coverage to see if he here were any real facts. There have been few - seems the news business is all about virtue and feelings not facts and reason. I did'nt talk about it since I'm a southerner in deep Yankee land at the moment. Guess what happened? Nothing. Nobody talks about it. Took the family to a minor league game everybody stood for the national anthem, had a beer a soft pretzel - I was in America. Then it hit me - the Dem party is dead - this is the death throes nothing more. America isn't paying attention simply because they know they are being lied to again and they are tired of it. I asked myself how this agit prop will return Wisconsin. Michigan, PA back to blue and iI started laughing. It is on't.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 17, 2017 10:22 PM (oGXge)

319 I don't expect blacks to like the Confederacy or it's statues, but that is not the point. Let's carry this movement to it's logical conclusion. All controversial statues are removed from the public square and placed in museums. Problem fixed? Will people of color whose feelings are hurt by statues be healed? Does racism disappear? Does the absence of the statues remove white pride or will it allow them to forget slavery even more than they do now? Is this really about statues or is it about the sheer use of power in a society? Those statues are not only to Revere the Confederate cause they are a reminder of our collective history. We need to ponder that history so we don't repeat it.

Posted by: Lighting at August 17, 2017 10:27 PM (oJSnD)

320 I don't regard large segments of the black community who see things differently from me as "the enemy."

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 10:29 PM (H5knJ)

321 319 - The folks who insist Robert E. Lee must be publicly displayed (or the Left wins) don't consider him a warning from history.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 10:31 PM (H5knJ)

322 The folks who insist Robert E. Lee must be publicly displayed (or the Left wins) don't consider him a warning from history.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 10:31 PM (H5knJ)

Nor should he serve as a warning.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 10:35 PM (FTXAT)

323 315 The Democratic Party is the Confederacy.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at August 17, 2017 10:17 PM (LTHVh)

As I said earlier, someone needs to tweet: "How come Democrats are trying to erase their history? Did they find something embarrassing?"

Posted by: rickl at August 17, 2017 10:37 PM (sdi6R)

324 Like I presume is the case with many of us, I carry a concealed weapon from time-to-time. I've done this for years, and take it pretty seriously.

Anyway, along the way I heard an adage that "You should never carry a gun into a place that you would not go without one." It took me a bit to unpack that, but once I had it all parsed out, I could see the wisdom of it all.

I don't have any business in a biker bar--with or without my gun. Likewise, I don't have any business at a rally where Nazi's are protesting the removal of a statue (whether I agree with the removal or not).

In that sense I agree that "...unnecessarily inserting oneself into a volatile and dangerous conflict" is not a wise thing to do.

But on the other hand, removing myself from public political discourse is exactly what the antifa thugs want me to do. That is why they're intimidating and bringing violence to those they disagree with.

We live in the Phoenix area and I've got tickets to see Trump next Tuesday. Mrs. Action Jackson is concerned about violence and doesn't want either of us to go, but I'm planning on it. I won't be armed (duh), but I feel the need to support Trump (something I never thought I'd say), especially since both of my 2 Senators are on his shit-list.

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at August 17, 2017 10:52 PM (0SPyv)

325 At this point I just shake my head and walk away. The political climate is insanity. The media is off the rails.

I'll go to the Taco Truck, it's better than fancy sandwiches anyway.

Posted by: colin at August 17, 2017 11:12 PM (FpBe1)

326 I really liked this post - very thought provoking.

Posted by: lily at August 17, 2017 11:23 PM (5Rl8X)

327 This is an awesome post!

It also bears keeping in mind that an enormous amount of this furor is media-driven...and look at how accurate they've been over the past year and a half?

I'm not sure that this will blow over any time soon (cf. how long the fake Russia thing was in the news), but I take heart from the idea that the reason they're screaming so hard is that they're losing the general public and trying to scare them into a herd mentality.

Given the past several months, I'm not sure that will work. So I fully expect the media to ramp up the fears, smears, and misrepresentaions even further. Oh well...just tune it out.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 17, 2017 11:27 PM (q6jjE)

328 322 The folks who insist Robert E. Lee must be publicly displayed (or the Left wins) don't consider him a warning from history.
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 10:31 PM (H5knJ)
Nor should he serve as a warning.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 17, 2017 10:35 PM (FTXAT)

Shouldn't this be decided by the people who live the community containing the statue?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 17, 2017 11:31 PM (q6jjE)

329 Godspeed, brother. We value your efforts, but only want to receive them if it is right. I am praying for the best.

Posted by: Tom at August 17, 2017 11:33 PM (xKI7Q)

330 328 - I don't know what you mean precisely.

I was responding to a specific comment asserting that the statues exist to not only revere the person being memorialized but to prompt us to ponder our mistakes so we don't repeat them. I doubt that last part.

I'm fine with local communities deciding what they want to do in terms of these statues. But I'm equally fine with minority populations complaining about their presence. And I'm not sure the game is worth the candle anymore in communities where there is significant friction over the issue.

Our time can be spent on more profitable causes than the Civil War.

Posted by: Shaun at August 17, 2017 11:51 PM (H5knJ)

331 Off, Shaun of the Dead sock!

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 17, 2017 11:52 PM (H5knJ)

332 Funny some commenters are talking about Charles Manson - I've been thinking about his this week. Charlie may live to see that race war he was always talking about.

Look the White Supremacists are awful people - but its true, they're losers with no power. I worry a little more about the left - the left now has college professions saying its time for violence and that people need to die. Most are insignificant people from nowhere colleges, but one is from Texas A&M.

Posted by: lily at August 17, 2017 11:54 PM (5Rl8X)

333 330 328
Posted by: Shaun at August 17, 2017 11:51 PM (H5knJ)

Sorry, I doubled up the comments to add context. I was responding to redbanzai saying that Lee statues should not serve as a warning.

I think we're getting into really dicey area when we start to lay down what people can and can't mean with their symbols.

I agree, though, that there are much bigger fish to fry. We're probably better off ignoring the blatant Alinsky-ite attempts at baiting.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 17, 2017 11:58 PM (q6jjE)

334 Excellent post ...sorry if too late. These wackos are loosing their minds. Go TRUMP

Posted by: Island Girl at August 18, 2017 02:32 AM (FJrl0)

335 "The last time we let Christians run government, it was called the Dark Ages."

So...we'd get a renaissance of architecture, literature, art, as well as the invention of the scientific method, the start of women being treated as individuals rather than properly in the eyes of the law, the decline of slavery (at least until trade with African countries revived it), and the beginnings classic liberalism? Cool! We should totes become a Catholic theocracy!

See, you really shouldn't try to look at what ~actual historians~ call the "medieval period" from the perspective of the Roman fanboy who called it the "Dark Ages" because he really liked the nice baths but ignored all the bloodletting.

Posted by: Saber Alter at August 18, 2017 02:46 AM (YZ7Go)

336 >>>26 ACE got a shout out on ThomasWictor Twitter thread
Posted by: Swiftly at August 17, 2017 08:54 PM (kgNmC)

Copy and paste that? I looked over there and didn't see the shoutout.

Posted by: FBI at August 18, 2017 04:01 AM (p6cpl)

337 >>> I find all of the drama and hullabaloo fun (for the most part) but it isn't where the real stuff is getting done.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Cool your Jets with an Outrage Outlet Snarlin' Smoothie! at August 17, 2017 08:59 PM (66/E/)

THIS is what's hard to remember.

Posted by: m at August 18, 2017 04:03 AM (p6cpl)

338 Warren, I usually agree with your opinions, but to say antifa is small...

They are much larger than you think and they have all the recruitment material they need and a compliant #Lugenpresse to spread their message.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 18, 2017 05:13 AM (p9EAQ)

339 Well, the other problem is the statement you made about "low information".

The "low information" you have in Antifa leads them to believe that the Nazi's aren't just a small group, but instead an entire party. Everyone on the right is a Nazi including the president, and because they are all ... we are all Nazi's... we are all evil - and therefore violence is acceptable.

The "right/left" description for Europe politics is far different than it is here. They don't understand when you say "The Right" in the United States, it's far different than "The Right" in Europe. Failing to understand that allows them to justify violence in the name of "stopping hate"

Posted by: Reality Man at August 18, 2017 06:51 AM (Ch0fq)

340 Fucking epic. Thank you, sir.

Posted by: Eric in Hollywood (in exile in Chicago) at August 18, 2017 06:59 AM (RjDqQ)

341 The guy with the truck may have had to have the sign to get a permit. Federal money has corrupted local governments to swing this way. Not sure they were any better before the federal money captured them.

Posted by: Mudd at August 18, 2017 10:11 AM (cfHE9)

342 Though I agree with the thesis of this article, I would add that Congress...both Dems/Repubs are putting their thumbs on the scale to escalate / condone anything that undermines a duly elected President because he is not 'one of them'.

I find THIS quite scary and a fearsome harbinger of what may come.

Posted by: bls46 at August 18, 2017 10:36 AM (fKeLi)

343 Now that we know Jason Kessler was working for Occupy just months before starting Unite the Right it begs to question was he still on the Soros payroll while applying for permits for the rally. Also how many with him dressed as Nazis worked for Soros. I saw Jason Kessler being escorted out of the rally before the trouble started surrounded by cops 3 deep protecting him. Why did he warrant so much protection when his cohorts got none. Why did he implore that everyone in his Unite the Right group come armed? He was hoping for blood to plant on Trump.

Posted by: Thomas Swartz at August 18, 2017 04:26 PM (4q3ga)

344 You normies just don't get it, do you?

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