GOP Donors Withholding Donations in Wake of Obamacare Repeal Fiasco

Republican donors are protesting GOP lawmakers' failure to repeal Obamacare by withholding donations to the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
At least $2 million in contributions originally promised to the NRSC have not materialized, CNN reported Tuesday...
Texas-based donor Doug Deason informed congressional Republicans in June that the "Dallas piggy bank" is closed until they take major action on health care and taxes, the Associated Press reported.

It's well past time for clarifying who are the sovereign and who are merely the servants. The political class has been confused on this point for quite some time.

Posted by: Ace at 04:30 PM

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1 Good.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:19 PM (a0IVu)

2 Hit them where it hurts.

Posted by: Joe Mama at August 08, 2017 04:19 PM (ifORZ)

3 The GOPe either gets a set of steak knives, or they get fired. Or both.

Posted by: Crimso at August 08, 2017 04:20 PM (yrlzg)

4 Here's a big fat middle finger from a former supporter, GOPe.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 08, 2017 04:20 PM (Mouru)

5 They work for us, damn it, and its about time they start remembering that.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:20 PM (a0IVu)

6 Covfefe is for winners.

Posted by: Joe Mama at August 08, 2017 04:21 PM (ifORZ)

7 Yes!

Posted by: Memories at August 08, 2017 04:21 PM (mwcEF)

8 we need something like what Barky did in Chicago with the "New Party". an organisation of strict Right ideologues aligned with Trump, which can support the Republican or not depending on the Republican.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 08, 2017 04:21 PM (rsysu)

9 Maybe the GOP can get cash money for the BODs we've sent

Posted by: Bruce at August 08, 2017 04:21 PM (8ikIW)

10 Awesome news!! Hit them where they'll feel it.

Schadenboner status
[ ] Hard as a rock
[X] Ready to cut glass

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 08, 2017 04:21 PM (jxbfJ)

11 Changing my party affiliation this week to un.

Posted by: Joe Mama at August 08, 2017 04:22 PM (ifORZ)

12 Send that money to primary challengers and you'll see some action.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 08, 2017 04:22 PM (oVJmc)

13 Damn right!
I will continue my lifelong practice of not giving them any money.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 08, 2017 04:22 PM (QM5S2)

14 No results, no pay. Welcome to the real world, assholes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 08, 2017 04:22 PM (Mouru)

15 Maybe the donors are spending it on starting new businesses and hiring people - i.e. making a useful investment.

Posted by: Roy at August 08, 2017 04:22 PM (7n4KQ)

16 6 Covfefe is for winners.
Posted by: Joe Mama at August 08, 2017 04:21 PM (ifORZ)

Correction:

Benjamins are for winners.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 08, 2017 04:23 PM (jxbfJ)

17 Wait -- people once donated money to the GOP???

That's the weirdest thing I ever heard.

Posted by: zombie at August 08, 2017 04:23 PM (DQ4Fv)

18 Glen Campbell, RIP

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (7uYFy)

19 No results, no pay. Welcome to the real world, assholes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 08, 2017

Tell me about it

Posted by: Egon at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (ifORZ)

20
Well, the CoC, Adelson, the Kochs and all the rest will be donating to the usual assortment of scum, goniffs and mental defectives.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (mbhDw)

21 But the RNC jsut had it's best fundraising quarter in their history. Something is not adding up.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (0pcwX)

22 I'm sending all my spare funds to the Washington Generals these days. They say this is the year they're finally going to clobber those damn Globetrotters.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (Mouru)

23 "Damn that Trump for forcing us to actually pass legislation! Now our donors are pissed off because we never actually intended to repeal Obamacare. It's all Trump's fault, I tell you!" - Mitch McConnell

Posted by: Ponsonby Britt at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (2RIco)

24 Coffee is for closers lol.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (4ErVI)

25 '....We're gonna set up shop, on top, of Four Seasons....'

Posted by: Senator Kid Rock at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (5wSNN)

26 Oh, dear. How are they going to keep their phony baloney jobs?

Posted by: huerfano at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (TO4Og)

27 Republican donors are protesting GOP lawmakers' failure to repeal Obamacare by withholding donations to the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

I'd rather see the GOP turds tarred and feathered ... but I guess I'll take this as mild first step.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (rZ+mb)

28 Is this direct donations to GOP members? Because the RNC has been raking it in while the DNC are in debt.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (a0IVu)

29 I'm sure the Chamber of Commerce wing of the GOPe will respond by immediately getting on board with PDJT's immigration plan - I mean, pushing little Marco's full amnesty + full-on open borders "national suicide" policy.

Fvck 'em.

Posted by: DocJ at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (NYS7S)

30 This fucking piece of shit asshole McConnel is crushing for a bruising.

This fucking guy is out there berating Trump and his "unrealistic expectations"

Unrealistic?

Really?

Really you useless piece of shit cocksucking motherfucker.

The greatest deliberative body is still sitting on a metric fuckton of Trumps nominees, how bout you do something about that seeing as you're doing fuckall getting useful productive legislation out of the senate.

At this rate it will take 11 years to get all of Trumps nominees through.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (9A6UB)

31 Good!

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (rAIG/)

32 18 Glen Campbell, RIP
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (7uYFy)

Sad. But I am glad he is no longer suffering. Very talented man.

RIP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (mbhDw)

33 Whoa. No more money? As in none?

It's long past time to halt all immigration for not less than 20 years.

Posted by: Little Marco at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (j+dfT)

34 Harrumph!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (Mouru)

35 It's part of the process . Glad to see it materialize. I think politicians who have fought the good battle should still be supported though on an individual basis.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (no/Pv)

36 You can't beat something with nothing. Well, in 2016 they could. But I doubt that'll work next time.

Posted by: The real Henderson James at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (7A6l6)

37 Its time they understand who the ultimate lobbyists are.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (aMlLZ)

38 Gooooood..... excellent Smithers!

Posted by: IP at August 08, 2017 04:26 PM (UmSfZ)

39
Well, I assume this mean they're withholding funds from the conservatives and not the sell-out traitors.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:26 PM (mbhDw)

40 Drying up funding to the GOP, progressive universities, and companies that hate conservatives should be our top priority. The smallest group of radical leftists is able to get these asshats to jump through hoops, why can't the 55% of America that leans conservative not get any respect?

Posted by: IanDeal at August 08, 2017 04:26 PM (qcIL3)

41 This is my sad face:

Posted by: tbodie at August 08, 2017 04:27 PM (zsMTB)

42 Not that I plan to donate to the GOP, but wouldn't a lack of donations from the public make them that much more beholden to the Chamber of Commerce Types?

Posted by: rickl at August 08, 2017 04:27 PM (xjiRE)

43 Give them nothing.

Do not donate to their campaigns. Do not volunteer for them during election season. Do not take their bumper stickers, yard signs, or other paraphernalia. And as a matter of principle, vote for their primary challenger, whoever it may be.

I guess if your particular senator voted for any and all forms of repeal, under Trump as well as Obama, then maybe this doesn't apply so much. But as for Murkowski, Collins, McCain et al., the only thing one should be giving them is hate mail and/or rotten fruit.

Posted by: T at August 08, 2017 04:27 PM (Vgw1E)

44 This is good news.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me @ Intersectionality of Deplorable & Irredeemable at August 08, 2017 04:27 PM (Ftuf+)

45 Coffee is for closers, indeed.

They need someone on a mission of mercy. Trump might just be that guy, direct from Downtown.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 08, 2017 04:28 PM (xJa6I)

46 I thought Glenn had gone on some time back.
Damn.
Helluva entertainer

Posted by: IP at August 08, 2017 04:28 PM (UmSfZ)

47 Ha ha ha. And Dallas is a big GOP $$$ source...usually.

Ha ha ha.

Posted by: Jeanne del Norte, ahora con covfefe at August 08, 2017 04:28 PM (B9dAp)

48 yeah, i've got a big old "survey" fundraiser envelope on my desk here at Asshole Central

all their getting from us is the price of a stamp and an ass chewing.

spineless fucktards.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 08, 2017 04:28 PM (O/zEg)

49 Coffee is for closers, indeed.

They need someone on a mission of mercy. Trump might just be that guy, direct from Downtown.

Yeah. Explain to them about "third place."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 08, 2017 04:29 PM (Mouru)

50 Wait -- people once donated money to the GOP???

That's the weirdest thing I ever heard.
Posted by: zombie at August 08, 2017 04:23 PM (DQ4Fv)

One of the dumbest things I ever did. They still email me, years later, asking for more.

Gah. Should have used it as hobo bait instead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 08, 2017 04:29 PM (xJa6I)

51 Yertle McTurtle and Lyon' Ryan are geniuses, I tell you. Geniuses!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 08, 2017 04:29 PM (Nwg0u)

52 Or given the cash to Sabo...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 08, 2017 04:29 PM (xJa6I)

53 Finally, a little pushback. Bout time.
But good news. As I sit here listening to the soundtrack from "The Magnificent Seven." The Phoenix Symphony, conducted by James Sedaris.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at August 08, 2017 04:29 PM (e96Jd)

54 I've worked in the private sector! They expect results!
-Representative Stantz

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 08, 2017 04:30 PM (eXSOZ)

55 Helluva guitarist, Glen Campbell....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:30 PM (7uYFy)

56 If the GOPe donors are withholding funds, then I'm kinda stumped as to what the hell the GOPe congresscritters are doing....and why.

Posted by: Tami at August 08, 2017 04:30 PM (Enq6K)

57 Get elected to do a job and you fritter it away your prospects will fade away

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:30 PM (pPKG5)

58 Interesting and somewhat related story at Gateway Pundit.

Mitch McConnell [beta male extaordinaire] complians that Trump [uber alpha male] has "excessive expectations."

Translation: "We'll do nothing for you and you'd better be dang happy and grateful that we're doing nothing for you."

Rep Mo Brooks says.. get rid of McConnell.

Posted by: shibumi at August 08, 2017 04:31 PM (aT+Bx)

59 So that's how it's going to be, eh? Fine. I'll find new voters. And learn Spanish.

Hey, Liberals! Come out to play-yay!

Posted by: GOPe aka CoC at August 08, 2017 04:31 PM (H8S+R)

60 I don't do shit but I look damn good doing it.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at August 08, 2017 04:31 PM (Mouru)

61 I haven't donated to them in years... I have donated to individual candidates... Now I think the best donation you can make is to Judicial Watch....

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (O2RFr)

62 Maybe get Tillis out there begging for money. Maybe that'll work out big.

Posted by: NCKate at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (s4tzN)

63 58, Posted by: shibumi at August 08, 2017 04:31 PM (aT+Bx)

I think Mitch gets smacked around by his wife...and likes it.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (a0IVu)

64 Presume my incessant yapping about what is the exact numbers needed to accomplish anything here.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (mf5HN)

65 But how are they going to get majorities in the House, Senate, and presidency so that they can really accomplish conservative goals without the campaign funds...

Oh, I see.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (+fLLK)

66 Also presume I can grammar despite all evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (mf5HN)

67 56; they are doing nothing but posturing and blocking trump. that's all. they all need to go. totally useless turds.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 08, 2017 04:33 PM (KP5rU)

68 GOPe slogan: You'll Get Nothing And You'll Like It!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 08, 2017 04:33 PM (Nwg0u)

69 Give me the money.
I'm not like 'them'!

Posted by: YEB! at August 08, 2017 04:33 PM (baYK5)

70
Maybe McYertle can form a new party with Max-Scene Waters.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:33 PM (mbhDw)

71 Best news I've heard. Good. Fuck the GOPE. Hard mean no lube fuck.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 08, 2017 04:33 PM (zZWkn)

72 Sources Say Republican Disillusion With Trump Could Trigger All Out Call For Impeachment

Posted by: This...is CNN at August 08, 2017 04:33 PM (qJhUV)

73 Maybe get Tillis out there begging for money. Maybe that'll work out big.
Posted by: NCKate at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (s4tzN)

I just said some very bad words, even by my standards.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (mf5HN)

74 63 58, Posted by: shibumi at August 08, 2017 04:31 PM (aT+Bx)

I think Mitch gets smacked around by his wife...and likes it.
Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (a0IVu)

Chao say "MAO!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (mbhDw)

75 64 Presume my incessant yapping about what is the exact numbers needed to accomplish anything here.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (mf5HN)

---

Please do. Seriously. You never know when the campaign season drones have to start combing the threads.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (+fLLK)

76 It's me donna: "Now I think the best donation you can make is to Judicial Watch...."

This. Sooo this. JW is doing the work the GOP won't do.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (H8S+R)

77 Maybe McYertle can form a new party with Max-Scene Waters.

Saw where they consider her the "rising" star in the Dem party.... Not sure how many more elections they want to lose...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (O2RFr)

78 lol

Posted by: NCKate at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (s4tzN)

79 I think I've got a new rap single in the works, Fuck Dat Turtle.

Will post link when I've got the video ready.

Posted by: JEM at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (TppKb)

80 67
56; they are doing nothing but posturing and blocking trump. that's all. they all need to go. totally useless turds.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 08, 2017 04:33 PM (KP5rU)

But clearly the donors and voters don't want them to block trump. So how do they win?

Posted by: Tami at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (Enq6K)

81 Thanks for everything Glen. Your music still surpasses much of what we hear today. I'm glad you're home now. Making music again. See ya on the flip side.

Posted by: Gorilla Guru at August 08, 2017 04:35 PM (YIUYX)

82 They need to just propose tax rate cuts for everyone making $125K/$250K or less, all the way down the board, back to at least GWB levels, and make the Dems vote on it. No special categories or incentives, just rate cuts. It should be totally non-controversial, and gives Dems no way to oppose it without looking like they want the middle class to pay high taxes. They woould hem and haw about "oh well health care and college is really what is costing the middle class" but at the end of the day make 'em put up or shut up, strip the rich out of this so it's no excuse for once. If Trump really cares about his middle class voters he would be doing this now while he still can.

Posted by: Cjw at August 08, 2017 04:35 PM (Jvty4)

83 I think the GOP is willing to take the short term hit.Once they dispose of Trump things will return to normal,they think.

Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2017 04:35 PM (rmVvL)

84 Ooh! I did that today too!
Well, I didn't withhold $2million, but I did send a strongly worded email to the RNC., so that's almost the same thing.

Posted by: LASue at August 08, 2017 04:35 PM (hZ+us)

85 Dining out with Insane in the Membrane McCain must be a hoot. And the pay is horrible. Maverick!!!

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 08, 2017 04:35 PM (YV+SU)

86 Interesting and somewhat related story at Gateway Pundit.

Mitch McConnell [beta male extaordinaire] complians that Trump [uber alpha male] has "excessive expectations."

Translation: "We'll do nothing for you and you'd better be dang happy and grateful that we're doing nothing for you."

Rep Mo Brooks says.. get rid of McConnell.

Posted by: shibumi at August 08, 2017 04:31 PM (aT+Bx)

After they get rid of McConnell, both houses need to pass Mo Brooks repeal bill.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (rAIG/)

87
The Republican party's base is, who exactly? It sure as hell ain't us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (mbhDw)

88 Good read at Sultanknish - Understanding McMaster's NSC Purge

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (pPKG5)

89 I made up my mind to do this long ago.

Now, I know the lack of my pitiful donation won't cause the GOPetards to lose any sleep.

But-

If everybody withholds their pitiful donations and some of the Big Dogs act on principle, honor, and American values-

well...then yeah-

it will have an effect. Hopefully, the full repeal of Obamacare.

And the firing of McConnell and Ryan. They are pure dumbass disasters and squandering the greatest political opportunity in almost 50 years.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (NyJwR)

90 I'm on the fence about this. Even if McConnell trots out a full repeal bill and forces threats of murder on other Senators. It's not going through because of those lecherous grifters like McCain, Collins, and Murkowski. They will hold it up out of some bullshit altruistic stance of "it will hurt people" or some other concocted nonsense.

McCain and Murkowski are safe too unless someone actually starts a recall effort against them and I don't see that happening. The only good that will come out of forcing a vote on the full repeal would be potentially getting to see all the GOPe Senators who need to be primaried come to light. I can think of a few off the top of my head.

Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (WKkqe)

91 You trusted us, that's on you. Ready for a road trip?

Posted by: Eric Stratton at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (2lndx)

92 The last time I saw the Republicans in congress fight for *anything* was welfare reform in the mid 90s.

That's 20 years.

FU GOPe.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (eSx+E)

93 Dear Republican senators, come to me, and I'll show you the money. All I ask is what's left of your soul. My guess is that most of you won't even miss it.

Posted by: George Soros at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (df+Zi)

94

BUT WHAT ABOUT WHAT BILL KRISTOL WANTS!!!!!

DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT HIS FEELINGS!!!!

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (0WCz5)

95 I've been withholding since John McCain and the rest of 'em caved on the Sequestration. Stabbed Cruz in the back while they were at it. This "wacko-bird" said enough! Let the next few RNC callers have it after that, explaining that I would not be donating as long as they supported McCain and crew.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (NOIQH)

96 80; they don't care. win or lose, these assholes always come out on top. cronyism, lobbying, etc. the deep state takes care of its' own. never forget that.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (KP5rU)

97 Didn't Trump make Mitch McConnell's wife head of some department? Did I dream that?

Posted by: Gorilla Guru at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (YIUYX)

98 I can't withhold my millions. I can withhold my vote for everyone except Trump.

Here's looking at you, Tillis.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (+fLLK)

99 90 Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (WKkqe)

Maybe Joe and his Man Chin will cross over and vote to repeal because he's not dogmatic or something.

Two-faced douchebag.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (mbhDw)

100 Anyone up for an American Party? Lets let the remnants of Ds and Rs fight each other over the carcass that once was America. Maybe their step n' fetch it imports will hold their drool cup for them?

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 08, 2017 04:37 PM (YV+SU)

101 Hit those fuckers where it hurts, in THEIR pocketbook.

You want money to be re-elected? Repeal Obamacare or you can kindly go screw yourself.

What? Your behind in the polls and you need money? Do some serious tax reform or start looking for a REAL job.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at August 08, 2017 04:38 PM (WsJuq)

102

"Didn't Trump make Mitch McConnell's wife head of some department? Did I dream that?"

He did, she heads up the Turtle Protection Agency.

TPA.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at August 08, 2017 04:38 PM (0WCz5)

103 Maybe get Tillis out there begging for money. Maybe that'll work out big.

Posted by: NCKate at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (s4tzN)

Do we really have to listen to all of that stuttering?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2017 04:38 PM (493sH)

104 92 The last time I saw the Republicans in congress fight for *anything* was welfare reform in the mid 90s.

That's 20 years.

FU GOPe.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (eSx+E)

They sure fought to pass all those free trade agreements. I remember Bush and Cheney showing up in Congress to make the push.

They also fought like hell for legislation to make it harder to declare bankruptcy.

So they do fight for their constituents. The problem is that isn't us.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 04:39 PM (4ErVI)

105 Give them nothing...take from them EVERYTHING!

Posted by: nip at August 08, 2017 04:39 PM (VqJRJ)

106
CNBC is all aflutter. Trump said if North Korea doesn't cool its jets it be met with "fire and fury"

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2017 04:39 PM (493sH)

107 Shit. And I need some new nipple rouge.

Posted by: RuPaul Ryan at August 08, 2017 04:40 PM (HgMAr)

108 Speaking of Mo, he's in the AL primary next week for Senate spot.

Posted by: goodluckduck at August 08, 2017 04:40 PM (yqvys)

109 >>CNBC is all aflutter. Trump said if North Korea doesn't cool its jets it be met with "fire and fury"

The days of 'strategic patience,' 'leading from behind,' and 'just muscular to not be mocked' are over.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2017 04:40 PM (NOIQH)

110 Good read at Sultanknish - Understanding McMaster's NSC Purge
Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (pPKG5)

We need to have Trump read that. If true in all its implications, McMasters should go.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 08, 2017 04:41 PM (xJa6I)

111 Even if the GOP gets money, it doesn't necessarily translate into actual votes. I'll be donating to some challengers in other states if it's appropriate, but likely stick with the Iowa contingent of R Congress people when I vote. Hopefully, there will be good challengers in states represented by squishy Rinos.

Posted by: Marmo at August 08, 2017 04:41 PM (xujbM)

112 Please do. Seriously. You never know when the campaign season drones have to start combing the threads.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 08, 2017 04:34 PM (+fLLK)

Fiiiiiiiiiine.

*clambers on soapbox*

I would like all of those who have spent the last several, well, decades really get off my lawn, saying that we must have a majority in the House and we must have a majority in the House and Senate and we must have majorities in the House and Senate and we must have the Presidency all at the same time to tell me exactly what numbers are needed in the House and the Senate in order for Republican, not even conservative, just Republican priorities on legislation to pass.

I don't want rhetoric. I don't want but but the rules of the House and the filibuster in the Senate and and and and the agencies and and and and the Courts! Nope. None of that. I want the actual number of seats in the House and the Senate that must be held by Republicans in order for anything to be accomplished.

Oh and no, well, see, we mean real Republicans, not McCain and Collins. Sorry, you gotta dance with the one that brung ya. They were elected as Republicans and thus will count as such.

So tell me, tell me true. What are the numbers needed in order to advance a Republican agenda? I'll spot you must have the Presidency.

*surveys domain* The grass is looking a little spotty over by the 'raptor paddock.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 08, 2017 04:41 PM (mf5HN)

113 Teddy Roosevelt said that both parties were "husks" and that is why he was running for office. The Husk quote is right....the rest I could be off on. Too lazy to Google.

We got Husk parties again....have had for a long time. Yes, We need a new party. But can we do it? We can't seem to organize much.

Posted by: Gorilla Guru at August 08, 2017 04:41 PM (YIUYX)

114 If there is a way I can take away money from Tillis please someone let me know how.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 04:42 PM (no/Pv)

115 Do we really have to listen to all of that stuttering?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2017 04:38 PM (493sH)

Over/Under on who actually gets this.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 08, 2017 04:42 PM (QM5S2)

116 The grass is looking a little spotty over by the 'raptor paddock.

Yikes!

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 04:42 PM (O2RFr)

117 Didn't Trump make Mitch McConnell's wife head of some department? Did I dream that?
***
That's why we have Gorsuch.

Its a fair trade - he put her in charge of one of those cabinet positions Perry was going to cut...I think.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:42 PM (eSx+E)

118 >>>>Hit those fuckers where it hurts, in THEIR pocketbook.

You want money to be re-elected? Repeal Obamacare or you can kindly go screw yourself.

What? Your behind in the polls and you need money? Do some serious tax reform or start looking for a REAL job.
.
.
.So you recommend we support every Republican in the Senate with $$$ with the exception of McCain, Murkowski and Collins.

After all they are the ones who screwed the skinny repeal vote.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 08, 2017 04:43 PM (0pcwX)

119 Also presume I can grammar despite all evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 08, 2017 04:32 PM (mf5HN)

You English goot, Alex.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 04:43 PM (rAIG/)

120 Ace,

You seem to be suggesting that we citizens should have a say he how we are governed.

Quaint.

Posted by: Malignantly aggrieved at August 08, 2017 04:43 PM (oBuXO)

121 *surveys domain* The grass is looking a little spotty over by the 'raptor paddock.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 08, 2017 04:41 PM (mf5HN)

It's the female raptor pee. Turns the grass brown.

Posted by: Tami at August 08, 2017 04:43 PM (Enq6K)

122 Elaine "Mrs. Yertle" Chao is Labor Sec.

Posted by: The SJW's at August 08, 2017 04:44 PM (ul9CR)

123
So tell me, tell me true. What are the numbers needed in order to
advance a Republican agenda? I'll spot you must have the Presidency.
***
I recall when Bush 43 was president and we got "health care" reform anyway.

It wasn't all of what the left wanted, but it was a big step in that direction.

It seems the Democrats can advance their agenda even if they don't control any of the branches of government...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:44 PM (eSx+E)

124 I just got a money request from the RNC. I sent it back with the Other Amount box checked and wrote $0.00.
Then I wrote on it and told them to look up Vichy in the dictionary as an explanation for my "donation".

Fuck them sideways.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 08, 2017 04:44 PM (5XCN6)

125 Maybe the new party should be called "Get off my lawn"

Jk

Posted by: Gorilla Guru at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (YIUYX)

126 Good grief. Judge Napolitano: "We can't take out a bunch of innocent North Koreans!"

I guess he disapproves of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (PY9jH)

127 122 Elaine "Mrs. Yertle" Chao is Labor Sec.
Posted by: The SJW's at August 08, 2017 04:44 PM (ul9CR)

Dept. of Transportation.

Labor is someone else.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (mbhDw)

128 A skinny repeal vote isn't enough. McConnell won't do it, but the vote needed is the one for a full fledged repeal. Let's see if Tillis, Flake, and Graham all jump ship on that one.

I'd also like to see RAISE brought to a floor vote in the Senate 'as is' so we can see that huckster Rubio show his true colors again in case anyone forgot who he really is.

Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (WKkqe)

129 115 Do we really have to listen to all of that stuttering?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2017 04:38 PM (493sH)

Over/Under on who actually gets this.
Posted by: Roland THTG at August 08, 2017 04:42 PM (QM5S2)

Not if he sings for the money

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (no/Pv)

130 The grass is looking a little spotty over by the 'raptor paddock.

Yikes!
Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 04:42 PM (O2RFr)

And all of this is ALSO why I love this site.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (xJa6I)

131 I got an e-mail from Paul Ryan today. It started out "Friend....."

I am not your friend. Delete.

Posted by: Tami at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (Enq6K)

132 Then I wrote on it and told them to look up Vichy in the dictionary as an explanation for my "donation".
***
Should have mailed them a hard copy of the obamacare legislation.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (eSx+E)

133 126 Good grief. Judge Napolitano: "We can't take out a bunch of innocent North Koreans!"

I guess he disapproves of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 04:45 PM (PY9jH)

Another widow's peak'd waste of time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:46 PM (mbhDw)

134 I'm afraid it all boils down to this one simple fact: The other side (Democrats) want to win AT ANY COST

Our side doesn't..

Posted by: LGoPs at August 08, 2017 04:46 PM (5XCN6)

135 The RNC hasn't called here since just before the election. I was polite, but firm. "STOP CALLING US. YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANOTHER DIME."

I may have raised my voice.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 04:46 PM (PY9jH)

136 Judge Nappy is a hardcore non-interventionist Libertarian.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:46 PM (ul9CR)

137 >>I recall when Bush 43 was president and we got "health care" reform anyway.

We got EMTALA under Nixon. Once that happened, we was boned.

Posted by: Large Corporation at August 08, 2017 04:46 PM (/tuJf)

138 Funny how every two years leftists legislators can go home and point out something they have given their base. Yes some years it is smaller then others but it is never...nothing.

The Republican congress last gave me something I wanted in...the 90s.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (eSx+E)

139
So tell me, tell me true. What are the numbers needed in order to advance a Republican agenda? I'll spot you must have the Presidency.
--

We need a majority in the Star Chamber.

BTW, the Star Chamber doesn't admit Republicans.

But that could happen some day, so keep giving us money, you half wit working class rubes!

Posted by: Your Better at the GOPe at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (aT+Bx)

140 At the most basic level, this is McConneli signalling that he fears Trump is going to vastly improve the economy and get the credit for it.
The last thing the GOPe wants if for someone else to get credit.
Makes them look bad.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (7uYFy)

141 I'm on the fence about this. Even if McConnell trots
out a full repeal bill and forces threats of murder on other Senators.
It's not going through because of those lecherous grifters like McCain,
Collins, and Murkowski. They will hold it up out of some bullshit
altruistic stance of "it will hurt people" or some other concocted
nonsense.

McCain and Murkowski are safe too unless someone actually starts a
recall effort against them and I don't see that happening. The only good
that will come out of forcing a vote on the full repeal would be
potentially getting to see all the GOPe Senators who need to be
primaried come to light. I can think of a few off the top of my head.

Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (WKkqe)

They already done been there and done that... the list of perfidious Republican Senators who voted against full repeal has already been published.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (rAIG/)

142 133 126 Good grief. Judge Napolitano: "We can't take out a bunch of innocent North Koreans!"

Well it would put them out of their misery since their "leader" is starving them all to death to pay for his weapons...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (O2RFr)

143 Good grief. Judge Napolitano: "We can't take out a bunch of innocent North Koreans!"
***
Anyone ask him if he ever heard of a little dust up called WWII?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (eSx+E)

144 Yay for the Dallas piggy bank.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (RqQ3x)

145 >>Good grief. Judge Napolitano: "We can't take out a bunch of innocent North Koreans!"

And lil' Kim has the same reservations about US civilian casualties?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2017 04:48 PM (NOIQH)

146 Fire and fury against the No Ko's, eh? Well, fat boy Kim seems to have going out in a blaze of glory on his bucket list.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:48 PM (a0IVu)

147 Let them drink Covfefe!!!!

Posted by: Corndog at August 08, 2017 04:48 PM (p3eEq)

148 Dept. of Transportation.

Labor is someone else.

Oh shit, that's right, I was thinking of her last job! She used to be Labor Sec. under Bush II.

These swamp creatures never go away. Hard to keep it all straight.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:48 PM (ul9CR)

149 I got an e-mail from Paul Ryan today. It started out "Friend....."
........

Reply with a link to penis enlargers.

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 04:48 PM (HgMAr)

150 137 >>I recall when Bush 43 was president and we got "health care" reform anyway.

We got EMTALA under Nixon. Once that happened, we was boned.
Posted by: Large Corporation at August 08, 2017 04:46 PM (/tuJf)

EMTALA was passed in 1986. So, Reagan I'm afraid.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2017 04:48 PM (0mRoj)

151 I'm on the fence about this. Even if McConnell trots out a full repeal bill and forces threats of murder on other Senators. It's not going through because of those lecherous grifters like McCain, Collins, and Murkowski. They will hold it up out of some bullshit altruistic stance of "it will hurt people" or some other concocted nonsense.

McCain and Murkowski are safe too unless someone actually starts a recall effort against them and I don't see that happening. The only good that will come out of forcing a vote on the full repeal would be potentially getting to see all the GOPe Senators who need to be primaried come to light. I can think of a few off the top of my head.

Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 04:36 PM (WKkqe)

Nah. bro.

Everyone of these corrupt a-holes just needs money or some other emollient to flow in their direction. It's done all of the time.

How do you think Obamacare got passed? It was political bribe after bribe until everyone was on board.

The mere fact that we aren't seeing these kinds of plays "The Lisa Murkowski International Latrine and Candy Store" for example-

mean that McConnell et.al. are not the least bit serious.

When and if they start throwing cash at these retards,

then we'll know they're serious.

Except for McCain...cancer is the best thing that ever happened to that a-hole. He can now prance around as "Mr Integrity" and no one will do a thing about it. He'll die laughing cause he got to take a big ole piss on the Middle Class and Conservatives.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2017 04:48 PM (NyJwR)

152 Reagan not Nixon

And me not a Large Corporation

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (/tuJf)

153 Pres DT drawing a very very red line to Nork, very red line.

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (pPKG5)

154 Me not a large corporation either.

Posted by: Cookie Monster at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (ul9CR)

155 I wonder how long Eric Bolling is going to be in time out? Grrrrrl Power has taken over the afternoon time slots at Fox.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (PY9jH)

156 Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2017 04:47 PM (eSx+E)

You got two tax cuts in 2000 and the lapse of the AWB but overall I agree.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (no/Pv)

157 Glen Campbell, RIP
Posted by: JoeF.

Fuck. So there's only one highwayman left.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (U76Nz)

158 154 Me not a large corporation either.

Posted by: Cookie Monster at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (ul9CR)

LMAO

Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (0mRoj)

159 134 I'm afraid it all boils down to this one simple fact: The other side (Democrats) want to win AT ANY COST

Our side doesn't..
Posted by: LGoPs at August 08, 2017 04:46 PM (5XCN6)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the GOP is not on our side. Hasn't been in maybe decades.

We have no national political party to call home.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (mbhDw)

160 155
I wonder how long Eric Bolling is going to be in time out? Grrrrrl Power has taken over the afternoon time slots at Fox.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (PY9jH)
I thought I read that he was fired.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (a0IVu)

161 Glenn Campbell won't be coming down for dinner.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (/tuJf)

162 Good and Fuck them and Fuck John my Dad's a mailman Kasich

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 08, 2017 04:51 PM (dKiJG)

163 If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess Bolling is done at FNC.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:51 PM (ul9CR)

164 napolitano has lost his marbles. been hanging around the kraut too long.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 08, 2017 04:51 PM (KP5rU)

165 >>>>>>I recall when Bush 43 was president and we got "health care" reform anyway.

We got EMTALA under Nixon. Once that happened, we was boned.
.
.
.We got Medicare with Johnson....it was all over after that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 08, 2017 04:51 PM (0pcwX)

166 I thought I read that he was fired.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (a0IVu)

He's on leave, or something. His attorney said the charges against him are completely bogus. I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 04:51 PM (PY9jH)

167 @90 McCain and Murkowski are safe too unless someone actually starts a recall effort against them and I don't see that happening. The only good that will come out of forcing a vote on the full repeal would be potentially getting to see all the GOPe Senators who need to be primaried come to light. I can think of a few off the top of my head.
---------------------

Depending on McCain's medical prognosis, it's possible that he won't matter for much longer.

Unfortunately, Murkowski will probably be in for a good while yet.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (Q6qiA)

168 I have always stated I liked Glen Campbell's role in True Grit,
RIP Music Man

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (pPKG5)

169 Me not a large corporation either.

Posted by: Cookie Monster at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (ul9CR)
---
You're not the real Cookie Monster; he would never use an indefinite article.

Posted by: Axeman at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (2mC6G)

170 Are they thinking I'm going to blame Trump because nothing is getting done and hence I'll run right back into their warm and loving arms because the old way was the right and proper way and we'll return to those glory days?

Nope. I'm sticking with Trump. Barring any unforeseen events, I'm voting for him again in 2020.

I knew this would happen. We all did I think. We knew they would try and knee cap the guy.

There's probably a good number of reps and more than a few senators willing to ram through Trump's agenda. It's the leadership that's blocking it along with the media approved cucks like McCain, Linseed, and those bitches from Alaska and the Northeast.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (4ErVI)

171 Just made a donation to Danny Tarkanian in Nevada. He will primary that idiot Heller.

Posted by: AnnaS at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (l4l/z)

172 This is probably wrong to say, but I wouldn't mind if Trump started fundraising apart from the GOP.

I'd donate to him, not those usless, beta male compulsive liars.

/yes, I am angry, thank you for noticing!

Posted by: shibumi at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (aT+Bx)

173 153 Pres DT drawing a very very red line to Nork, very red line.
Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (pPKG5)

There is no choice now. Sink their subs and take out as much of their artillery/assets on the DMZ in the first strike. Then flatten their nuke sites.

We cannot allow them to have warheads and missiles to deliver them, no matter how crude they may be. They will only get better with time as well as wind up in the hands of the Iranians.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (mbhDw)

174 @redbanzai - You sir, are correct!

Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn
Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va.
Susan Collins, R-Maine
Dean Heller, R-Nev.
John McCain, R-Ariz.
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
Rob Portman, R-Ohio

I'm shocked Graham and Tillis weren't on this list.

Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (WKkqe)

175 It's about time somebody cut off their allowance.

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (HgMAr)

176 I wonder how long Eric Bolling is going to be in time out? Grrrrrl Power has taken over the afternoon time slots at Fox.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (PY9jH)

I am sick and tired of the Left taking our playing pieces off the board, so to speak, with impunity.Our side never, ever answers back. Ever.
Did I say ever enough times? Ever.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (5XCN6)

177 Fuck. So there's only one highwayman left.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (U76Nz)

Glenn was good but I believe the Highway Men were Willie, Waylon, Johnny and Kris Kristofferson.

Willie and Kris are still kicking around.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (rAIG/)

178 Glen Campbell, RIP
Posted by: JoeF.

Fuck. So there's only one highwayman left.

Check that. Glen wasn't. He was the Rhinestone Cowboy.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (U76Nz)

179 Glen Campbell was good in True Grit but would have been better if Elvis had gotten the part.Sadly,his manager demanded top billing.

Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (rmVvL)

180 Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn
Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va.
Susan Collins, R-Maine
Dean Heller, R-Nev.
John McCain, R-Ariz.
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
Rob Portman, R-Ohio

And Flake from AZ.

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (O2RFr)

181 Trump is either nudging China to FINALLY take out FatBoy
Or even better, he's goading FatBoy to make a move and THEN be taken out by either China OR one of the clapping monkeys we see in all the launch videos...

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (7uYFy)

182 Glenn was good but I believe the Highway Men were Willie, Waylon, Johnny and Kris Kristofferson.

Willie and Kris are still kicking around.

Yeah. Glenn was the rhinestone cowboy.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (U76Nz)

183 Um, didn't know any 'big donors' were really into Obamacare repeal. But I'll take it anyway. I was just assuming once primary challengers show up and win against incumbent RINOs and pro-Trump types win seats in the House Senate, something will finally move.

I'm not worried about holding the majority in Congress after next year's election. I see it differently. I think non-Trump supporting Senators Congressmen will be replaced. Get ready.

More winning coming soon! Senator Kid Rock is on his way!

Posted by: K-E at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (uOEHQ)

184 174 @redbanzai - You sir, are correct!

Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn
Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va.
Susan Collins, R-Maine
Dean Heller, R-Nev.
John McCain, R-Ariz.
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
Rob Portman, R-Ohio

I'm shocked Graham and Tillis weren't on this list.
Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 04:53 PM (WKkqe)

Hell, might as well add Dondi Rubio. He can't wait to felate McStains and Schemer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (mbhDw)

185 Good. We've finally remembered how to play this game.

Posted by: GalosGann at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (md1b/)

186 13 Send that money to primary challengers and you'll see some action.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles

Well, it's the only realistic place to hit them. In the primaries, or the nads, and primaries is easier to do.

As far as donations go, I think this is a useless metric anymore. Trump defeated the beast with less than half of her spending. He buried Jeb, with a $100 to $150 million primary warchest.

The more the electorate is 'woke', the less spending on ads matters. The Dems flooded the field for Ossoff, and got diddly for it. They have loads of megadonors of soft money, and they still are losing ground.

2018 is a historic chance to get a more conservative Senate, with the Dems having to defend 23 of 33 (or 34, I forget) seats up for grabs. So make sure that every semi-conservative gets a solid conservative challenger.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (6jaju)

187 If some woman doesn't come up with some tangible goods I hope Eric sues the shit out of the Huffpost.
Along those same lines
https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2017/08/07/how-to-rape-proof-your-college-aged-son/

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (pPKG5)

188 Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the GOP is not on our side. Hasn't been in maybe decades.

We have no national political party to call home.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (mbhDw)
---
Exactly, the Preening Class all have one base: Social progressives and the media. Liberalism is all about self-flattery, and preeners like flattery. Match made in Hell.

Posted by: Axeman at August 08, 2017 04:54 PM (2mC6G)

189 why can't the 55% of America that leans conservative not get any respect?
Posted by: IanDeal at August 08, 2017 04:26 PM (qcIL3)

The number unfortunately is probably barely half that.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 08, 2017 04:55 PM (RqQ3x)

190 China can take the fat fcuk out if they want to.

They have to be made to want to.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:55 PM (ul9CR)

191 Fuck. So there's only one highwayman left.

Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:55 PM (7uYFy)

192
This is probably wrong to say, but I wouldn't mind if Trump started fundraising apart from the GOP.

I'd donate to him, not those usless, beta male compulsive liars.

/yes, I am angry, thank you for noticing!

Posted by: shibumi at August 08, 2017 04:52 PM (aT+Bx)

I am hoping that Trump campaigns with every damn last primary challenger of any GOPe yahoo that has voted against repeal (and voted with the Dems to hamstring the President).

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 04:55 PM (rAIG/)

193 Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the GOP is not on our side. Hasn't been in maybe decades.

We have no national political party to call home.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:50 PM (mbhDw)

In full agreement with you there J.J., which is why I send them no money anymore.
I guess I was just being rhetorical.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (5XCN6)

194 >>They already done been there and done that... the list of perfidious Republican Senators who voted against full repeal has already been published.

That wasn't even a full repeal, it was what they voted on in 2016. A full repeal could not have gotten through under budget reconciliation. Only way to repeal, actually repeal, legislation is with 60 votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (/tuJf)

195 Glen Campbell along with Roy Clark are very underrated guitarists since they were Country artists.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (no/Pv)

196 190
China can take the fat fcuk out if they want to.

They have to be made to want to.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:55 PM (ul9CR)China is more worried about a unified Korea than anything No Ko does, I reckon.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (a0IVu)

197 189 why can't the 55% of America that leans conservative not get any respect?
Posted by: IanDeal at August 08, 2017 04:26 PM (qcIL3)

The number unfortunately is probably barely half that.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 08, 2017 04:55 PM (RqQ3x)

I think it's more than that. But as I stated earlier, we are out in the cold politically because the powers that be cannot let a small government get in their way of shaking us down and destroying our freedom.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (mbhDw)

198 Senator Kid Rock is on his way!

I want him to enter the Senate chamber to "I Am the Bullgod" at top volume.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (ul9CR)

199 How hard is the Bolling to prove or disprove. It either came from his phone or it didn't.

(I know...phrasing but I'm too lazy to rewrite it.)

Posted by: Tami at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (Enq6K)

200 RIP Glenn. I hope this is how it played out for ya.

Green, green grass of home.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LCqhnlIx6M

Posted by: Gorilla Guru at August 08, 2017 04:57 PM (YIUYX)

201 Money wins elections because most voters have no real idea of what's going on, which is actually something they could learn for free if they cared.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (53rXG)

202 115 Do we really have to listen to all of that stuttering?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2017 04:38 PM (493sH)

Over/Under on who actually gets this.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 08, 2017 04:42 PM (QM5S2)

Me-me-me-mel? Is tha-tha-tha-that you?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (tu3iY)

203 There you go quoting CNN again, Ace.

Haven't you figured out yet that CNN will take a small itty bitty bit of non-news and make it into a big deal if it makes Republicans look bad?

The Free Beacon just reported the RNC had their best June ever the other day..

The NRSC is small potatoes.. and donors are giving directly to candidates anyway.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (so+oy)

204 China is more worried about a unified Korea than anything No Ko does, I reckon.

They can keep NorK. But they need to install a puppet they can and will control.

That's the deal I think PDT's going for.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (ul9CR)

205 Senator Kid Rock is on his way!

I want him to enter the Senate chamber to "I Am the Bullgod" at top volume.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (ul9CR)

Seconded. That or 'Cowboy'

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (xJa6I)

206 180
Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn

Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va.

Susan Collins, R-Maine

Dean Heller, R-Nev.

John McCain, R-Ariz.

Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska

Rob Portman, R-Ohio

And Flake from AZ.

I'd add Corker, because I can't stand his voice and he's a tool, and Cornyn, because he has a ham for a head, and he's a tool.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (LAe3v)

207 Senator Kid Rock is on his way!

I want him to enter the Senate chamber to "I Am the Bullgod" at top volume.

He needs to write a song called "How's My Ass Taste?"

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (U76Nz)

208 196 China is more worried about a unified Korea than anything No Ko does, I reckon.
Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (a0IVu)

Neither China nor the South want to deal with a poverty stricken hellhole. East Germany sapped West Germany when the wall came down.

That said, Whoa, Fat! is a menace to both the Chi-Coms and us, so something should be agreed to in advance.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (mbhDw)

209 Glen Campbell along with Roy Clark are very underrated guitarists since they were Country artists.
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (no/Pv)

Yeah, but Glenn was in The Beach Boys and, as a session man, played on hundreds of pop and rock songs including The Byrds, The Monkees and every one else..
He is well regarded in rock circles....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (7uYFy)

210 And here's Kid Rock's latest single from the campaign trail, "Fuck You, Next Question!" only on WLLZ, Detroit Rocks.

Posted by: IP at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (UmSfZ)

211 'This' plus Trump signs up the Congress Critters with 'straight' Ocare. I want to taste CC tears.

Posted by: Steve Earle Song Ideas at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (PvCxa)

212 @196 China is more worried about a unified Korea than anything No Ko does, I reckon.
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It's not even that. It's the Japan bogeyman.

I spoke to a friend of mine a few weeks ago who's from China (I'm not sure whether he's a US citizen, but he runs a freight company here in the US). His concern was to point out that historically, the fastest and easiest way for Japan to invade China is through Korea. In his opinion, keeping the peninsula split was the easiest way to prevent that from happening again.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (Q6qiA)

213 China loves having the Norks around as the crazy friend they can't control.The bad cop to their good cop.

Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (rmVvL)

214 Glenn was good but I believe the Highway Men were Willie, Waylon, Johnny and Kris Kristofferson.
.........

I keep that CD in my truck.

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (HgMAr)

215 195
Glen Campbell along with Roy Clark are very underrated guitarists since they were Country artists.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (no/Pv)

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Doc Watson, too. I was fortunate to see him numerous times. The best was at a theater in Raleigh. We were in the balcony and my wife complained that she couldn't see. I told her, "Now you're even."

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (psH+N)

216 That wasn't even a full repeal, it was what they
voted on in 2016. A full repeal could not have gotten through under
budget reconciliation. Only way to repeal, actually repeal, legislation
is with 60 votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 04:56 PM (/tuJf)

We have argued this before and you are still wrong.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (rAIG/)

217 If we worried about innocent Germans and innocent Japanese, the world would be a very different place.

Posted by: OCBill at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (df+Zi)

218 >>>>153 Pres DT drawing a very very red line to Nork, very red line.

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 04:49 PM (pPKG5)

There is no choice now. Sink their subs and take out as much of
their artillery/assets on the DMZ in the first strike. Then flatten
their nuke sites.

We cannot allow them to have warheads and missiles to deliver them,
no matter how crude they may be. They will only get better with time as
well as wind up in the hands of the Iranians.
.
.
.J.J. we do not have the capabilities to do a successful first strike against North Korea. Millions of South Koreans in Seoul will die even if we get 75% of his capabilities on the first strike and that is not going to happen.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 08, 2017 05:00 PM (0pcwX)

219 Again, Trump is goading FatBoy to make a move that will be suicidal--and not neccessarilly by us.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 05:00 PM (7uYFy)

220 I want him to enter the Senate chamber to "I Am the Bullgod" at top volume.
---

I'd vote for this song, mostly because of the lyric "Are you scared?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHbGsZUsisE

Also... cool video re: Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e22Mun9fdl0

Posted by: shibumi at August 08, 2017 05:00 PM (aT+Bx)

221 213 China loves having the Norks around as the crazy friend they can't control.The bad cop to their good cop.
Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2017 04:59 PM (rmVvL)

Yep, that's what I think. China is more likely than not to be backing them.

Posted by: rickl at August 08, 2017 05:00 PM (xjiRE)

222 Nip Sip writing a check as we celebrate.

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 08, 2017 05:00 PM (lIZQs)

223 If Kid Rock wins, I'm hoping he shows up in that track suit an a cowboy hat with "Fuck You" written on it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 05:01 PM (4ErVI)

224 The Free Beacon just reported the RNC had their best June ever the other day..
The NRSC is small potatoes.. and donors are giving directly to candidates anyway.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

All the more reason I don't give to either outfit, and given that Warner and Kaine are my Senators, I don't give to anyone. I'd like to give to Judicial Watch, but my wife did once, and we've been inundated with mail ever since.

Do you hear me JW? Stop it. Just stop. You do good work. I'll support you if that's all you do.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:01 PM (LAe3v)

225 I've always wondered why Kim is so unstable? Is it all a show for his people or does he genuinely have some severe mental issues? Or both is a possibility I suppose.

Posted by: IC at August 08, 2017 05:01 PM (a0IVu)

226 Nepalitino has become like the ice cream, different flavors depending on the day, except some of those flavors are wrong.

yeah we can take out N Korea, but can we do it before their artillery levels half of Seoul? And that assumes they don't have a nuke on some boat, or in some suitcase that already crossed Rubio's unlimited immigration border with no wall.

But well timed strategic "lightning war" attacks? Will make for some incredible YouTube videos, and might be necessary. Live Free or Die.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2017 05:02 PM (b+0FS)

227 I've always wondered why Kim is so unstable?

Inbreeding

Posted by: IP at August 08, 2017 05:02 PM (UmSfZ)

228 Glen Campbell was not one of the original Highwaymen. It was Willie, Waylon, Johnny Cash and Chris Christopherson.

Posted by: Old Blue at August 08, 2017 05:02 PM (FAo3p)

229 I just cut myself shaving....

With my boner.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 08, 2017 05:02 PM (XFue2)

230 All the more reason I don't give to either outfit,
and given that Warner and Kaine are my Senators, I don't give to anyone.
I'd like to give to Judicial Watch, but my wife did once, and we've
been inundated with mail ever since.

Do you hear me JW? Stop it. Just stop. You do good work. I'll support you if that's all you do.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:01 PM (LAe3v)

Howdy, neighbor:-)

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 05:02 PM (rAIG/)

231 218
.J.J. we do not have the capabilities to do a successful first strike against North Korea. Millions of South Koreans in Seoul will die even if we get 75% of his capabilities on the first strike and that is not going to happen.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 08, 2017 05:00 PM (0pcwX)

So, a manifestly insane man and avowed enemy of the US and its allies is allowed to get nukes and the capability to deliver them via ICBMs.

That is unacceptable to me. So the choice is thousands (not millions) of South Korean casualties and destruction now, or a nuke is going to land on the US, Japan, RoK or perhaps Israel via Iran if we do nothing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:03 PM (mbhDw)

232 Which way will McCain come down on this? Normally, he's all for "Fire and Fury", but it's Trump calling the shots...

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 05:03 PM (7uYFy)

233 The political class has been confused on this point for quite some time.

=======

Confused? It's the only principle upon which they all agree.

Posted by: ShainS at August 08, 2017 05:03 PM (FKOxU)

234 225. He has to cultivate the madman reputation or get snuffed out by his generals. Any weakness, and he's a goner.

Being a tyrant really is just like riding a tiger.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 08, 2017 05:03 PM (fA1SL)

235 I've always wondered why Kim is so unstable?

Inbreeding

Posted by: IP at August 08, 2017 05:02 PM (UmSfZ)

And being raised to think he was literally a God.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 05:04 PM (rAIG/)

236 I'm joining Maxine's Black Peoples Party.
They put on some ass kicking dance parties.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 08, 2017 05:04 PM (mcI77)

237 I spoke to a friend of mine a few weeks ago who's from China (I'm not
sure whether he's a US citizen, but he runs a freight company here in
the US). His concern was to point out that historically, the fastest
and easiest way for Japan to invade China is through Korea. In his
opinion, keeping the peninsula split was the easiest way to prevent that
from happening again.

I understand the historical context, but this still makes no sense. Japan can't even be bothered to reproduce now.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:04 PM (LAe3v)

238 Glen Campbell was not one of the original Highwaymen. It was Willie, Waylon, Johnny Cash and Chris Christopherson.
Posted by: Old Blue

Yeah. I screwed up. I mixed him up with Kris.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2017 05:04 PM (U76Nz)

239 I've always wondered why Kim is so unstable?

Inbreeding

Posted by: IP at August 08, 2017 05:02 PM (UmSfZ)

and all the meth Rodman supplies him with

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 05:05 PM (HgMAr)

240 I spoke to a friend of mine a few weeks ago who's from China (I'm not
sure whether he's a US citizen, but he runs a freight company here in
the US). His concern was to point out that historically, the fastest
and easiest way for Japan to invade China is through Korea. In his
opinion, keeping the peninsula split was the easiest way to prevent that
from happening again.
______________________________
I understand the historical context, but this still makes no sense. Japan can't even be bothered to reproduce now.
_______________________________________________
Japan is a wasteland of tentacle porn and singles now. China has nothing to worry about.

Posted by: ThomasR at August 08, 2017 05:05 PM (WKkqe)

241 "So the choice is thousands (not millions) of South Korean casualties and destruction now, or a nuke is going to land on the US, Japan, RoK or
perhaps Israel via Iran if we do nothing."

There's a lot more that could be done technologically to diminish the threat of nukes delivered via ballistic missile.

The last president to take ballistic missile defense seriously and fund it accordingly was Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2017 05:05 PM (ujwCG)

242 I'm not worried about North Korea if we decide to take action. I am more worried about The ChiComs and their reaction. That's why it's important that they be intimately involved.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:05 PM (no/Pv)

243 I understand the historical context, but this still makes no sense. Japan can't even be bothered to reproduce now.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:04 PM (LAe3v)

This... so they don't have the excess young male population to fight a war even if we hadn't disarmed them after WWII.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 05:06 PM (rAIG/)

244 The Free Beacon just reported the RNC had their best June ever the other day..

The NRSC is small potatoes.. and donors are giving directly to candidates anyway.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 08, 2017 04:58 PM (so+oy)

That's weird because ace's link goes to.....Free Beacon.

Posted by: Tami at August 08, 2017 05:06 PM (Enq6K)

245 Glen Campbell RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18z4YkAky3U

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at August 08, 2017 05:06 PM (EMi53)

246 242
I'm not worried about North Korea if we decide to take action. I am
more worried about The ChiComs and their reaction. That's why it's
important that they be intimately involved.

Posted by: Jack Sock

Don't worry about it. They Chinese won't do anything.

Posted by: Douglas A. McArthur at August 08, 2017 05:07 PM (LAe3v)

247 237
I understand the historical context, but this still makes no sense. Japan can't even be bothered to reproduce now.
Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:04 PM (LAe3v)

This. Japan is on a curve that leads to national death in maybe 150-200 years. I would think the Chinese are not so stupid as to not see this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:07 PM (mbhDw)

248 Movie about Glenn Campbell's final tour, after he discovered he had Alzheimers.

Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtgraWN5-I

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 08, 2017 05:07 PM (PY9jH)

249 Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2017 05:05 PM (ujwCG)

Bush 43 definitely took it serious. He took much heat from both sides by withdrawing us from the ABM treaty.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:07 PM (no/Pv)

250 On the other hand, Mo Brooks is at risk of being bounced out of a runoff slot in a mere seven days. Luther Strange, with the benefit of McTurtle's money, is outspending Brooks six to one.

If you're of a mind to make a donation against the GOPe, now would be a good time.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2017 05:07 PM (398bZ)

251 I haven't given money to the RNC for twenty years-- about the length of time the GOP has been betraying its constituents while bowing and scraping to the left. I registered as an independent eight years ago. I don't believe I will ever again call myself a Republican.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at August 08, 2017 05:07 PM (TdMsT)

252 China has an interest in tamping this shit down. They do not want, nor could they manage, the outflows of Nork civvies and military units. Everyone knows that's where they'll head - straight into China.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 08, 2017 05:08 PM (fA1SL)

253 That's weird because ace's link goes to.....Free Beacon.

Yum!... Oh I thought you said free bacon...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 05:08 PM (O2RFr)

254 Wtf they're running a guy named Luther Strange?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 05:09 PM (4ErVI)

255 Alzheimers is a shitty disease I watched my fil fade away it took 10 years. Fuck Alzheimers.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 08, 2017 05:09 PM (zZWkn)

256 242 I'm not worried about North Korea if we decide to take action. I am more worried about The ChiComs and their reaction. That's why it's important that they be intimately involved.
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:05 PM (no/Pv)

We're not going above the Yalu. In any case warfare today is much more precise than even in the Vietnam era.

That said, the Chinese will no doubt react to an attack on the NorKs, no matter if it is totally justified in our eyes. That is the big unknown. I'm sure Tillerson et al have been telling Xi what the story is, but still, how they will react is an unknown.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:09 PM (mbhDw)

257 My frensch we have nothing to fear with Kim Jong-un in Pyongyang...

Posted by: Drooling John at August 08, 2017 05:09 PM (HgMAr)

258 252
China has an interest in tamping this shit down. They do not want, nor
could they manage, the outflows of Nork civvies and military units.
Everyone knows that's where they'll head - straight into China.

Why wouldn't the SoKs simply reunify the country, a la Germany?

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:10 PM (LAe3v)

259 >>China has an interest in tamping this shit down. They do not want, nor could they manage, the outflows of Nork civvies and military units. Everyone knows that's where they'll head - straight into China.

True. And it's a pretty good idea not to have the world at war on your front door as a general rule. Particularly when you are not exactly a free country either.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 05:10 PM (/tuJf)

260 250 On the other hand, Mo Brooks is at risk of being bounced out of a runoff slot in a mere seven days. Luther Strange, with the benefit of McTurtle's money, is outspending Brooks six to one.

If you're of a mind to make a donation against the GOPe, now would be a good time.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2017 05:07 PM (398bZ)

I would think Alabamians are aware of this and who McTurtle is. Also, wasn't Strange involved in some sort of recent scandal?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:10 PM (mbhDw)

261 I'm not a Republican, although I usually end up voting for that label. I can't get past the reality of Uniparty.
Government has become, for me, Anna from V, and her minions, hovering over my life.

Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (zSVEm)

262 81 Thanks for everything Glen. Your music still surpasses much of what we hear today. I'm glad you're home now. Making music again. See ya on the flip side.
________________

This.

Hearing any Glen Campbell song always takes me back to my childhood summers. RIP, Glen. You'll be missed.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (gNgc6)

263 I think if fat boy attempts to use his nukes, his Generals will probably take him out...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (O2RFr)

264 "Wtf they're running a guy named Luther Strange?"

Strangely, yes.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (398bZ)

265
Time to death after first diagnosis of Alzheimer's is months - 12 months to 24 months. Glen Campbell did pretty damn well.

I've been listening to him a lot lately. 'By The Time I Get To Phoenix' -- which even Sinatra called the greatest 'torch song' ever is my favorite.

RIP.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (EgwCt)

266 258. I'm talking about the immediate response. As for unification - that would utterly cripple the ROK.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (fA1SL)

267 The electorate is not qualified to plan the economy!

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (CPk08)

268 263 I think if fat boy attempts to use his nukes, his Generals will probably take him out...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (O2RFr)

That assumes there are still generals left that are not hardcore sycophants. Whoa, Fat! has killed off quite a few already, and by shooting cannons at them at point blank range, no less.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:12 PM (mbhDw)

269
Has Bill Wynn weighed in yet to let us know what a yuge mistake not donating is and it will be an early night for GOP donors?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2017 05:12 PM (493sH)

270 "Japan can't even be bothered to reproduce now."

Sales of adult diapers have now outpaced sales of infant diapers in Japan. Yeah, they're not on an expansionist militarist trajectory any longer, and the odds of them ever reassuming such are nearly nil.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2017 05:13 PM (ujwCG)

271 As for unification - that would utterly cripple the ROK.

You don't know. The SoKs are getting wealthy, and have lawns, the Norks are starving. Sounds like a win win to me.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:13 PM (LAe3v)

272 200 RIP Glenn. I hope this is how it played out for ya.

Green, green grass of home.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LCqhnlIx6M
Posted by: Gorilla Guru at August 08, 2017 04:57 PM (YIUYX)
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Thanks for that link. Perfect choice.
And Lord, that man could sing.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 08, 2017 05:13 PM (0jtPF)

273 Japan is a wasteland of tentacle porn and singles now. China has nothing to worry about.
Posted by: ThomasR
_________

Japan has a world-beating economy. The U.S. will be left behind unless we emulate Japan's public-private partnerships and give the federal government more power to allocate resources and to direct production.

Posted by: DistHillary and Every Other Democrat in the 1980s at August 08, 2017 05:13 PM (j+dfT)

274 271 As for unification - that would utterly cripple the ROK.

You don't know. The SoKs are getting wealthy, and have lawns, the Norks are starving. Sounds like a win win to me.
Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:13 PM (LAe3v)

"Build that dang DMZ!"

- - John Mc Kimchee

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:13 PM (mbhDw)

275 @237 I understand the historical context, but this still makes no sense. Japan can't even be bothered to reproduce now.
--------------

While probably true, it doesn't remove the "bogeyman effect" factor. Moscow still worries about the Mongols. China still worries about anyone and everyone who's ever made the Chinese look bad over the last couple of millennia.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (Q6qiA)

276 "I would think Alabamians are aware of this and who McTurtle is. Also, wasn't Strange involved in some sort of recent scandal?"

Yes, JJ. Strange, the former Attorney General, was appointed by Gov. Bentley while impeachment proceedings were imminent. Very, very fishy.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (398bZ)

277 Thank God for Texas.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (Al42J)

278 Levin touched on this last night: How can we fight a war when both the populace and the political class are so bitterly divided, not to mention unserious?

If we go to war with the Norks, half the country would not only want Trump impeached but tried for war crimes.

Posted by: rickl at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (xjiRE)

279 Which nic is nip commenting under these days? Anyone heard from him lately? About tillis?

Posted by: NCKate at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (s4tzN)

280 So the Norks pour into China. Not my problem. The Chinee have been Sugar Daddy to the Norks for sixty years.

What exactly is China going to do? They have no deep water Navy outside of that refitted aircraft carrier they bought from the Ukraine or somebody in that area. They're not going to suddenly attack Japan or South Korea over this if for no other reason than those two states aren't going to be spearheading the attack. They won't use nukes either.

This is a problem that China could have done much to prevent for decades, but chose not to due to jingoism as well as wanting to flip the finger to the US, Japan, and South Korea. The whole country could flee into China for all I care.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (4ErVI)

281 N Korea will not exist for long one way or another. They are primed to collapse if they don't go out in a blinding white light first. We have let this go on for too long.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 08, 2017 05:15 PM (zZWkn)

282 I think if fat boy attempts to use his nukes, his Generals will probably take him out...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (O2RFr)
Yes. Trump is forcing them to act....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 05:15 PM (7uYFy)

283 DistHillary and Every Other Democrat in the 1980s"

Hey, don't forget about us!

Posted by: Celtic tiger in the 90s! at August 08, 2017 05:15 PM (MINbv)

284 275 China still worries about anyone and everyone who's ever made the Chinese look bad over the last couple of millennia.
Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (Q6qiA)

Like Jews going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:15 PM (mbhDw)

285
The electorate is not qualified to plan the economy!

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (CPk0

Nobody is qualified for that.

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 05:16 PM (rAIG/)

286 Somebody's gotta pick the rice.

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 05:16 PM (HgMAr)

287 Japan will fight their next war with robots.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (no/Pv)

288 Like Jews going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:15 PM (mbhDw)

" Fa- ra-ra-ra-ra, ra-ra-ra-raaa..."

Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (zSVEm)

289 285
The electorate is not qualified to plan the economy!

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 08, 2017 05:11 PM (CPk0

Nobody is qualified for that.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 05:16 PM (rAIG/)

"I got a pimp hand for you right here."

- - Adam Smith

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (mbhDw)

290 This is a problem that China could have done much to prevent for
decades, but chose not to due to jingoism as well as wanting to flip the
finger to the US, Japan, and South Korea. The whole country could flee
into China for all I care.

True, but irrelevant. If China has a problem with it, they can make lots of trouble, whether you think it's important or not.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (LAe3v)

291 @258 Why wouldn't the SoKs simply reunify the country, a la Germany?
-----------------

It would pretty much raze South Korea's economy. East Germany had a semi-functional economy, and West Germany still took a massive hit when the two countries reunited. North Korea's economy is pretty much non-existent. South Korea's economy has been doing really well over the last few decades, but all of that would be wiped out if reunification happens.

What South Korea would prefer is to first help North Korea get a functional economy up and running, and maybe *then* think about reunification. But fat boy isn't interested in that.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (Q6qiA)

292 288 Like Jews going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:15 PM (mbhDw)

" Fa- ra-ra-ra-ra, ra-ra-ra-raaa..."
Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (zSVEm)

"Oh, dlaydr, dlaydr, dlaydr.
I made it out of cray..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:18 PM (mbhDw)

293 32
18 Glen Campbell, RIP

Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (7uYFy)

Sad. But I am glad he is no longer suffering. Very talented man.

RIP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 04:25 PM (mbhDw)

-----------------------------

My Mom died of Alzheimer's. She had a degree in psychology and suffered most when she recognized its onset. Her diaries are heartbreaking. She seemed happy her last year or two when we brought her down here with us, albeit with diminished capacities. The last couple of weeks were most difficult for us. In the end she passed very peacefully.

Posted by: Javems at August 08, 2017 05:18 PM (yOqwj)

294
Japan will fight their next war with robots.
Posted by: Jack Sock

He knocked his block off!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 08, 2017 05:18 PM (IqV8l)

295 Make a deal with China. They can have N. Korea, the northern half. The southern half goes to S. Korea, but no American troops. America will leave S. Korea over a timetable, assuming China meets it's obligations (TBD). S. Korea and China share the pain and the gain.

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 08, 2017 05:19 PM (lIZQs)

296 290 This is a problem that China could have done much to prevent for
decades, but chose not to due to jingoism as well as wanting to flip the
finger to the US, Japan, and South Korea. The whole country could flee
into China for all I care.

True, but irrelevant. If China has a problem with it, they can make lots of trouble, whether you think it's important or not.
Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (LAe3v)

Wait! We can send them all to California for rooftop training!

Winning.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:19 PM (mbhDw)

297 Trump and Tillerson both signaling that WE aren't interested in regime change...but that doesn't mean China isn't interested in it.

The more missiles he fires, the fewer he has to use. Push the idiot to make a show of force as you count down the number of missiles he has left to deploy. Make an estimate of the percentage that will fail. And let 'er rip.

Posted by: K-E at August 08, 2017 05:19 PM (uOEHQ)

298 If we go to war with the Norks, half the country would not only want Trump impeached but tried for war crimes.

Posted by: rickl at August 08, 2017 05:14 PM (xjiRE)

While if Trump delays acting and some city like Seattle is reduced to radioactive ashes half the country would not only want Trump impeached but removed from office.

Damned if your Do.
Damned if you Don't.

Sometimes you have to do the 'right thing' and point your middle finger at those who second guess you.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 08, 2017 05:19 PM (EgwCt)

299 287
Japan will fight their next war with robots.

Posted by: Jack Sock

Sexy robots with tentacles.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:19 PM (LAe3v)

300 292 288 Like Jews going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas?
..."..........
"Oh, dlaydr, dlaydr, dlaydr.
I made it out of cray..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:18 PM (mbhDw)

PRICELESS......

Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:20 PM (zSVEm)

301
What exactly is China going to do? They have no deep water Navy outside of that refitted aircraft carrier they bought from the Ukraine

?
1 Aircraft Carrier

29 Destoyers

49 Frigates

68 Submarines

12 Replenishment Ships

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at August 08, 2017 05:20 PM (lKyWE)

302 Southern nights
Have you ever felt a southern night?
Free as a breeze

Posted by: charley horse at August 08, 2017 05:20 PM (+kahX)

303 @284 Like Jews going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas?
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That's number 5 on the list. It's after "reunification" with Taiwan, and before Western devils stealing the secrets of silk and porcelain.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:21 PM (Q6qiA)

304 "PRICELESS......"

You mean PLICERESS.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2017 05:21 PM (398bZ)

305 "I got a pimp hand for you right here."

- - Adam Smith

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:17 PM (mbhDw)

That invisible hand ain't planning shit. He is a go with the flow, let everyone make their own decisions type of guy:-P

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 05:21 PM (rAIG/)

306 303 @284 Like Jews going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas?
----------------

That's number 5 on the list. It's after "reunification" with Taiwan, and before Western devils stealing the secrets of silk and porcelain.
Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:21 PM (Q6qiA)

....and Calgon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:21 PM (mbhDw)

307 So, a manifestly insane man and avowed enemy of the
US and its allies is allowed to get nukes and the capability to deliver
them via ICBMs.

That is unacceptable to me. So the choice is thousands (not
millions) of South Korean casualties and destruction now, or a nuke is
going to land on the US, Japan, RoK or perhaps Israel via Iran if we do
nothing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:03 PM (mbhDw)

That is the conundrum sadly. Historically, it seems to be the fate of free peoples to be attacked before they take any action.Of course, in the past the worst result for inaction was Blitzkreig warfare for example, which while effective, was not existentially threatening.The calculus changes when nukes are involved.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 08, 2017 05:21 PM (5XCN6)

308 Glen Campbell, RIP

He should have run for POTUS. He had Presidential league hair.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (mcI77)

309 301
What exactly is China going to do? They have no deep water Navy outside of that refitted aircraft carrier they bought from the Ukraine

?
1 Aircraft Carrier

29 Destoyers

49 Frigates

68 Submarines

12 Replenishment Ships
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic

159 targets

Posted by: Rick in SK at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (FZYNt)

310 That's number 5 on the list. It's after "reunification" with Taiwan, and before Western devils stealing the secrets of silk and porcelain.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:21 PM (Q6qiA)

Al Sharpton: Which they and them Greek homos stole from Africa!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (493sH)

311 287
Japan will fight their next war with robots.

Posted by: Jack Sock

Sexy robots with tentacles.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:19 PM (LAe3v)

"We surrender, gladly!" - the Chinese

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (HgMAr)

312 >>Japan will fight their next war with robots.

Pacific Rim was boring.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (/tuJf)

313 If even Pat Buchanan is smelling something wrong
https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2017/08/08/after-the-coup-what-then-n2365631

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (pPKG5)

314 I always get an image of terrified Japanese, looking up in horror, pointing, saying " GODZIRRA!!!.." And running down the street... WWII notwithstanding..... MY formative years gave me the image....

Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:23 PM (zSVEm)

315 312 >>Japan will fight their next war with robots.

Pacific Rim was boring.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (/tuJf)

"Rim?"

- - Sheppy

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:23 PM (mbhDw)

316 1 Aircraft Carrier
--------------

1.5, actually.

Their first copy of the aircraft carrier they bought is currently undergoing trials.

The PLAN (Peoples' Liberation Army Navy - yes, that's the real name) is currently fairly weak, but they're working on strengthening it. They're hoping to build their own US-style nuclear supercarriers within another couple of decades.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:24 PM (Q6qiA)

317
....and Calgon.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Some hotshot!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 08, 2017 05:24 PM (IqV8l)

318 Why wouldn't the SoKs simply reunify the country, a la Germany?

It would be like Clark Griswold trying to absorb cousin Eddie and his entire family.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2017 05:24 PM (U76Nz)

319 I read yesterday that a big donor lawyer in FL, IIRC, is sewing the RNCe for fraud. He donated his money for the repeal of ObamaCare and he has been defrauded.

Posted by: gNewt at August 08, 2017 05:25 PM (DfaM+)

320 >>Everyone knows that's where they'll head - straight into China.

no they won't. China has portable 5.56mm border fence they can dispatch as needed.

It is a red herring, and propaganda, to say that China is worried about a "humanitarian crisis." China is worried about a pro-western, anti-china power house economy on their border without a buffer. And right in the middle of their sea lanes.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 08, 2017 05:25 PM (LWu6U)

321 or a nuke is going to land on the US, Japan, RoK or perhaps Israel via Iran if we do
nothing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:03 PM (mbhDw)

Fvcking neocons are always looking out for Israel....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at August 08, 2017 05:25 PM (wYseH)

322 China is doing that Sun Tzu thing using NK as their bait. If the US goes after little North Korea, China (and Russia) may decide they have the moral authority to whack us.

That's why you install a strong man in South Korea post haste and do a treaty that gives South Korea nukes. Then step back. Fuck China.

Posted by: charley horse at August 08, 2017 05:26 PM (+kahX)

323 316 They're hoping to build their own US-style nuclear supercarriers within another couple of decades.
Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:24 PM (Q6qiA)

Had we not had a manifestly insane leader of our own from 2009-2016, we could have planned and prepared accordingly to deal with that threat. We aren't.

The other x factor is that China's economy, despite the glowing reviews from their media and our own liars, is said to be in deep deep poo-poo. And when that happens, nations tend to strike militarily.

What a fucking world.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:26 PM (mbhDw)

324 I like the lawsuit. I think he's got a pretty good case.

Republicans are trying to fundraise on "but they'll do single payer now!" Yeah, eat dog dirt.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2017 05:26 PM (39g3+)

325
159 targets
Posted by: Rick in SK at August 08, 2017 05:22 PM (FZYNt)

Yeah but its still a blue water navy. Plus with the little islands they're building for anti-ship and anti - aircraft batteries they're a powerful force in the South China Sea

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at August 08, 2017 05:27 PM (lKyWE)

326
Fvcking neocons are always looking out for Israel....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at August 08, 2017 05:25 PM (wYseH)

Noecons spelled backward is Sno-Cone. Please retrieve your footwear maintenance storage unit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:27 PM (mbhDw)

327 Strange was appointed to fill Sessions seat.

What is also interesting is that Strange is accusing Mo of not supporting Trump.

I think Mo would be a good senator though, and then we can get a younger Representative in.

Posted by: goodluckduck at August 08, 2017 05:27 PM (yqvys)

328 Noecons spelled backward is Sno-Cone. Please retrieve your footwear maintenance storage unit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:27 PM (mbhDw)

"Snow-Cohn?"

I knew it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at August 08, 2017 05:28 PM (wYseH)

329 Wait -- people once donated money to the GOP???

That's the weirdest thing I ever heard.

Posted by: zombie at August 08, 2017 04:23 PM (DQ4Fv)

Not since Trent Lott became senate majority leader.

Posted by: gNewt at August 08, 2017 05:28 PM (DfaM+)

330 The greatest deliberative body is still sitting on a metric fuckton of Trumps nominees, how bout you do something about that seeing as you're doing fuckall getting useful productive legislation out of the senate.

Or just adjourn. I don't think the Senate has ever done the fake not-adjourned business when the President was from their party. It's unprecedented.

Thanks fucking Mitch.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 08, 2017 05:28 PM (QQ+il)

331
One thing nobody is remembering (probably because it didn't get a lot of press) is that SoKo just had a major upheaval and president was ousted because she consulted astrologers, or something equally silly. I think one of the reasons NoKo has been running wild is that SoKo is so disorganized. Wonder who took the previous pres out.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 08, 2017 05:29 PM (MIKMs)

332 If there is a Korean reunification, I doubt that PetSmart will be too interested in expanding there...

Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:29 PM (zSVEm)

333 >>The other x factor is that China's economy, despite the glowing reviews from their media and our own liars, is said to be in deep deep poo-poo. And when that happens, nations tend to strike militarily.

All you need to do is take a trip around China to realize that the media just might not be reporting all the truth about China. There are a shitload of people but hype about their status as an economic powerhouse ia a tad overblown.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 05:29 PM (/tuJf)

334 328
"Snow-Cohn?"

I knew it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at August 08, 2017 05:28 PM (wYseH)

*hums Anatevka*

Have we not suffered enough?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:29 PM (mbhDw)

335 For your edification, the 2016 PLAN identification guide:

http://tinyurl.com/yb3bg895

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 08, 2017 05:29 PM (QGoUX)

336 287
Japan will fight their next war with robots.

Posted by: Jack Sock

Sexy robots with tentacles.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:19 PM (LAe3v)
............

So do I put my hands up... or bend over and grab my ankles?

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 05:29 PM (HgMAr)

337 @323 The other x factor is that China's economy, despite the glowing reviews from their media and our own liars, is said to be in deep deep poo-poo. And when that happens, nations tend to strike militarily.
-----------------------

Add to that something that someone mentioned to me several years ago. Chinese history apparently has a very definite cyclical nature. A new regime (dynasty) takes control of the country, runs things for a while, and then gets booted out (read - killed) by a new regime. The whole process runs practically like clockwork, and you can apparently point to the four-decade-or-so span of years when the old government will be replaced by the new one.

Apparently the ChiComs are very much aware of this cycle. And they're not that far off from entering the "replace the old with the new" phase. They're very worried about it, and trying to come up with a way to keep it from happening to *them*.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:29 PM (Q6qiA)

338 Luther Strange looks like a child molester.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 08, 2017 05:30 PM (mcI77)

339 The other x factor is that China's economy, despite the glowing reviews
from their media and our own liars, is said to be in deep deep poo-poo.
And when that happens, nations tend to strike militarily.

It's hard to say if that's true or just wishful thinking. If the follow the Japanes model they're in for a long decline. OTOH, there really isn't another China out there to take over from them. Also, they're smart and disciplined, but then we said that about the Japanese too.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

340 331 is exactly right. SK needs strong leadership, not this peace love manga crap that passes as leadership.

Posted by: charley horse at August 08, 2017 05:30 PM (+kahX)

341 The other x factor is that China's economy, despite the glowing reviews from their media and our own liars, is said to be in deep deep poo-poo. And when that happens, nations tend to strike militarily.

What a fucking world.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:26 PM (mbhDw)

But...but I can purchase a cheap piece of shit toaster every year!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 05:30 PM (4ErVI)

342 Israel is the only friend we have in the ME that is not Arab (hola snackbar free). They are natural allies in a place we have very few real friends.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 08, 2017 05:30 PM (zZWkn)

343 Neocons spelled backward is Sno-Cone. Please retrieve your footwear maintenance storage unit.
-----
Actually, it's sno-Coen...but close enough for the government.

Posted by: lin-duh fell at August 08, 2017 05:31 PM (kufk0)

344 Luther Strange looks like a child molester.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 08, 2017 05:30 PM (mcI77)

Has he been seen hanging out with Harry Reid?

Posted by: redbanzai at August 08, 2017 05:31 PM (rAIG/)

345 "It's well past time for clarifying who are the sovereign and who are
merely the servants. The political class has been confused on this
point for quite some time."

Based on the results to date, it is the peasantry that has been horrifically confused, and they are just now starting to realize that fact, much to their great distress.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at August 08, 2017 05:31 PM (rznWS)

346 @331 One thing nobody is remembering (probably because it didn't get a lot of press) is that SoKo just had a major upheaval and president was ousted because she consulted astrologers, or something equally silly. I think one of the reasons NoKo has been running wild is that SoKo is so disorganized. Wonder who took the previous pres out.
------------------

Was it astrology? I thought I remembered reading that it was corruption?

Now in Japan, the wife of the previous prime minister (can't remember his name - current one is Abe, again) was big on astrology and UFOs, iirc.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:31 PM (Q6qiA)

347 Right on, right on. right on!!!

Posted by: Locke Common at August 08, 2017 05:31 PM (MPb5D)

348 At least $2 million in contributions originally promised to the NRSC have not materialized, CNN reported Tuesday...

But the assholes bribing them can easily make up the difference.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 08, 2017 05:32 PM (P4UqR)

349 Actually, it's sno-Coen...

ScandiJews.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 08, 2017 05:32 PM (QQ+il)

350 339 The other x factor is that China's economy, despite the glowing reviews
from their media and our own liars, is said to be in deep deep poo-poo.
And when that happens, nations tend to strike militarily.

It's hard to say if that's true or just wishful thinking. If the follow the Japanes model they're in for a long decline. OTOH, there really isn't another China out there to take over from them. Also, they're smart and disciplined, but then we said that about the Japanese too.
Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

How do you say Jamie Gorelick and Franklin Raines in Chinese? I think they way overextended themselves in real estate and elsewhere. I've seen reports of almost entire cities and massive developments that are completely empty. And since China tends to censor things, there's no way to really know, unless one travels there and is allowed to see things firsthand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:32 PM (mbhDw)

351 "What is also interesting is that Strange is accusing Mo of not supporting Trump."

Strange's attack ads, following a long Alabama tradition, have jumped the shark. I just heard a radio ad that accused Brooks of "standing with Nancy Pelosi to oppose supporting our troops."

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2017 05:32 PM (398bZ)

352 Or just adjourn. I don't think the Senate has ever done the fake
not-adjourned business when the President was from their party. It's
unprecedented.

So, what you're saying is:
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I
say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:33 PM (LAe3v)

353 Questionable whether North Korea can hit us with a nuke now but no question that China can if our action in NK provokes some type of escalation with China. As JJ said , their reaction is unknown but the potential for escalation, misunderstanding and chest puffing is a reality that can't be ignored. I'd rather we do everything we can to get China's buy in before we do anything. There has to be some carrot we can dangle. If not and we are forced to act without them or their concurrence, we must hope for the best but prepare for the worst. They must be told we are prepared for the worst.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:33 PM (no/Pv)

354 @350 I've seen reports of almost entire cities and massive developments that are completely empty.
-------------------

Ghost cities. The government big wigs planned for people to move into them, but almost no one did.

There are articles floating around about them on the internet for anyone who cares to look.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:33 PM (Q6qiA)

355
And the Iranian-NorK connection is not exactly harmless to us or Europe (not that I necessarily give a shit about Europe, all things considered).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:34 PM (mbhDw)

356 349 Actually, it's sno-Coen...

ScandiJews.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 08, 2017 05:32 PM (QQ+il)

Schvitzbacks.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 08, 2017 05:34 PM (QGoUX)

357 we just need to send an army of sjw's to China to tell them to diversify their culture, and stop eating dogs, and stop burning coal without scrubbers or CO2capture.

The few sjw's that survive will "get America First religion", then enlighten the rest of them in the still marginally free world that Trump is correct.

China is NOT diverse, not even Hong Kong.

Posted by: Illiniwek at August 08, 2017 05:35 PM (b+0FS)

358 @353 I'd rather we do everything we can to get China's buy in before we do anything
------------------

We've been trying this for a long time. Usually, the Chinese just aren't interested. The way it usually "officially" plays out is that the US insists on bringing everyone in the region to the table (US, China, S Korea, Japan, and Russia), while North Korea insists that it will only talk to the US.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:35 PM (Q6qiA)

359 Has Apple inspected the nets they put around the top floors of their factories lately?

Posted by: Under Fire at August 08, 2017 05:35 PM (mcI77)

360 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:32 PM (mbhDw)

That makes them more dangerous in my opinion.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:35 PM (no/Pv)

361 353 I'd rather we do everything we can to get China's buy in before we do anything. There has to be some carrot we can dangle. If not and we are forced to act without them or their concurrence, we must hope for the best but prepare for the worst. They must be told we are prepared for the worst.
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:33 PM (no/Pv)

Hate to say this but South China Sea, Spratleys or - gasp - Taiwan as a bargaining chip???

Thanks, Obama!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:35 PM (mbhDw)

362 How do you say Jamie Gorelick and Franklin Raines in
Chinese? I think they way overextended themselves in real estate and
elsewhere. I've seen reports of almost entire cities and massive
developments that are completely empty. And since China tends to censor
things, there's no way to really know, unless one travels there and is
allowed to see things firsthand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

The bigger issue is their debt to GDP ratio. It's now north of 300%. That's a lot worse than us.

Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:36 PM (LAe3v)

363 Why would China nuke their primary economic source, over North Korea, the Asian barrio?
Seems not credible... whereas their agents killing off the fat little sociopath would be a win- win....

Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:36 PM (zSVEm)

364 362
The bigger issue is their debt to GDP ratio. It's now north of 300%. That's a lot worse than us.
Posted by: pep at August 08, 2017 05:36 PM (LAe3v)

Ho Lee Fook, indeed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:37 PM (mbhDw)

365 Was it astrology? I thought I remembered reading that it was corruption?

=====

Some kind of corruption, probably by astrological advisors. Just remember seeing odd stuff on France24 and DW about it.

The whole ouster stunk to high heaven and I wonder who was behind it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 08, 2017 05:37 PM (MIKMs)

366 @362 The bigger issue is their debt to GDP ratio. It's now north of 300%. That's a lot worse than us.
------------------

Though it's probably also worth noting that a lot of it was probably used to purchase *our* debt.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2017 05:37 PM (Q6qiA)

367 Don't forget that the South Koreans are probably better off with fatty kim as a buffer from China as well.

South has done pretty well with US bases and trade and neighbors of the Chinese have a tendency to get shit on.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 08, 2017 05:37 PM (LWu6U)

368 China supported the latest sanctions, but they've played that game before. It's a stalling tactic.

I don't know about any carrots, but Trump should threaten sanctions on MSG and General Tso's Chicken.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2017 05:37 PM (4ErVI)

369 Nude Whoa Fat Thread

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 08, 2017 05:37 PM (QQ+il)

370 126 Good grief. Judge Napolitano: "We can't take out a bunch of innocent North Koreans!"

Checks inventory in bomb bay ..... Yes I can

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at August 08, 2017 05:38 PM (6ksbU)

371 363 Why would China nuke their primary economic source, over North Korea, the Asian barrio?
Seems not credible... whereas their agents killing off the fat little sociopath would be a win- win....
Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:36 PM (zSVEm)

Joint Sino-US decapitation strike of the NorKs. Chi-Coms can come in and administer. Some period of stabilization and de-Kimification of the country.

No reunification.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2017 05:38 PM (mbhDw)

372 Give NK to China. They gain territory and seacoast. If that's too much, split it with SK. Each gets a humanitarian mess to sort out, but NK no longer exists on the map of the earth.

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 08, 2017 05:39 PM (lIZQs)

373 Most of those bastidaches in Congress get up in the morning thinking about re-election. Period. Everything else is out of sight, out of mind. Lot of folks here in Texas who put them there are figuring out Republicans got big hats and no cattle, not to mention balls. But...I doubt seriously that the big boys are cutting anyone the money off. Bread has to be buttered, you know.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at August 08, 2017 05:39 PM (JZJ9v)

374 Strange from Alabama? Do they wear those little cut-offs and talk with a cute southern accent?

Posted by: wth at August 08, 2017 05:40 PM (HgMAr)

375 >>It's hard to say if that's true or just wishful thinking. If the follow the Japanes model they're in for a long decline. OTOH, there really isn't another China out there to take over from them. Also, they're smart and disciplined, but then we said that about the Japanese too.

The Chinese don't really have that far to fall. I've mentioned this before but last time I was in Hong Kong the big issue was limiting the number of mainland Chinese that would be allowed to enter Hong Kong on a daily basis.

The reason for this is teems of them were pouring into Hong Kong daily, mostly on the train, to buy basic items like baby diapers that were not readily available in China. People in Hong Kong were tired of them cleaning off the shelves.

Again, China's status as an economic powerhouse includes a lot of wishful thinking. The life of an average Chinese citizen would seem like poverty to an American.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2017 05:40 PM (/tuJf)

376 Glen Campbell gone with so many others from a great era of talent. His passing brings a sense of sadness and loss, a smile comes to my face as I vividly hear one of his songs cross my mind. What will this shallow crop of ignorance masquerading as SJW's leave as their time closes on this earth? A sense of relief and pleasure, or maybe just a feeling of disgust for all they ever were was pathetic!

Posted by: Tentotwo at August 08, 2017 05:40 PM (yhf6w)

377 363 Why would China nuke their primary economic source, over North Korea, the Asian barrio?
Seems not credible... whereas their agents killing off the fat little sociopath would be a win- win....
Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2017 05:36 PM (zSVEm)

Doesn't seem logical but why would the world go to war over an assassination of a Duke by a terrorist?

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 08, 2017 05:40 PM (no/Pv)

378 48 yeah, i've got a big old "survey" fundraiser envelope on my desk here at Asshole Central

all their getting from us is the price of a stamp and an ass chewing.

spineless fucktards.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 08, 2017 04:28 PM (O/zEg)
------
Yep, same here... all they got from me was an ass-chewing and comments to the effect that I'm backing whatever Trump supporting opponent their facing in the primaries. Enuff already. We've got the Gimmedats boxed into a hole where they are imploding amongst themselves and what does the RINOe do - drag their feet and stall. Sorry fuckers, game on.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at August 08, 2017 05:40 PM (+ldAm)

379 RIP Glen Campbell by the way. Huge talent. Legendary.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2017 05:43 PM (39g3+)

380 Little kim was installed and takes orders from the same people who can uninstall him and install someone else. Little Kim is not the real problem here.

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 08, 2017 05:44 PM (lIZQs)

381 Every time we lose someone like Campbell the whole world is poorer because... who's replacing these guys?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2017 05:46 PM (39g3+)

382 I saw a blurb going into the weekend where my liberal senator McCornyn actually proposed increased funding for the wall, adding my ICE agents and putting Kate's Law in as an added bonus. Could it be he is getting out from behind McConnell's skirt?

Posted by: DanMan at August 08, 2017 05:46 PM (XTiHL)

383 I'd rather we do everything we can to get China's buy in before we do anything. There has to be some carrot we can dangle.

The hook is not to position them to buy in but to position them where they cannot buy out.

Posted by: gNewt at August 08, 2017 05:48 PM (DfaM+)

384 @353: "Questionable whether North Korea can hit us with a nuke now"

Given the historical effectiveness of US defenses on the three times they been really tested (Pearl Harbor, Paukenschlag, and 9/11), that's cold comfort at best.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at August 08, 2017 05:50 PM (rznWS)

385 We don't even answer the calls. Maybe we should, and tell them just how it is!

Posted by: Miss Sippi at August 08, 2017 05:51 PM (5fPhA)

386 China bought our politicians ... perhaps our globalist billionaires have some greater plan ... lotsa billionaires in China now. So what is up with CFR and all the NWO plans? How do we as a sovereign nation allow CFR and Soros et. al to conspire together routinely?

We as a nation (thx DC sellouts) bailed out these "global governance" Soviet instigated billionaire pricks. Too big to fail too big to jail ... REALLY?

Merkel and the EU is the path to circumvent the voter and the nation states. All these subversive globalist factions are in chaos now because the people were not as dumb as they thought, and elected Trump the disrupter. The narco states to our south are also in chaos ... Hillary wanted to have the open border hemisphere ... sheesh ... self destruct button avoided but now what?

Game on ...

Posted by: Illiniwek at August 08, 2017 05:52 PM (b+0FS)

387 @363: "Why would China nuke their primary economic source, over North Korea, the Asian barrio?"

Because humans aren't rational actors. Imperial Germany and Great Britain were major trading partners and had related royal families, but..... you know, WWI.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at August 08, 2017 05:52 PM (rznWS)

388 32 18 Glen Campbell, RIP
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2017 04:24 PM (7uYFy)

Sad. But I am glad he is no longer suffering. Very talented man.

RIP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I saw Tanya Tucker in Las Vegas two years ago, and Glen Campbell's (her ex-common law hub) came up during some audience banter, and she called him the most talented man to ever step in front of a microphone. Very classy move. I still get cold shivers thinking about it.

Posted by: Barry at August 08, 2017 05:54 PM (0ecq3)

389 @366: "Though it's probably also worth noting that a lot of it was probably used to purchase *our* debt."

Which, is an asset that's good as gold, right? It's not like our economy is pretty much smoke and mirrors, too.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at August 08, 2017 05:54 PM (rznWS)

390 Off gayboy sock.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 08, 2017 05:54 PM (0ecq3)

391 @381: "Every time we lose someone like Campbell the whole world is poorer"

Gae ta Hell, ya dowsy fook! Whene'er a Campbell dies, the world gets a wee bit brighter!

Posted by: The entirerty of Clan MacDonald at August 08, 2017 05:58 PM (rznWS)

392 Chinese Navy per wiki:
Size 255,000 personnel (2012)[2]
492 ships (excl. auxiliaries)
Approx. 710+ aircraft[3][4]
Part of People's Liberation Army
(PLA Navy Headquarters directly under the Central Military Commission)
Fleet 1 aircraft carrier
4 amphibious transport docks
32 landing ship tanks
31 landing ship medium
29 destroyers
49 frigates
34 corvettes
109 missile boats
94 submarine chasers
17 gunboats
29 mine countermeasure vessels
68 submarines
12 replenishment ships
(232 auxiliaries)

Chinese (PLA) Naval Identification guide:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb3bg895

It's always been too late to give them something and expect reciprocity.

Posted by: gNewt at August 08, 2017 06:01 PM (DfaM+)

393 ...Could it be he is getting out from behind McConnell's skirt?

Posted by: DanMan at August 08, 2017 05:46 PM (XTiHL)

Even a blind man can see which way the wind is blowing.

Posted by: gNewt at August 08, 2017 06:04 PM (DfaM+)

394 Good, I'll donate to Trump's campaign and to those who support him the never Trumpers and Rinos can fork off and take a running leap off a short pier.

Posted by: Rose at August 08, 2017 06:09 PM (3N8PC)

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