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Pregnant Woman Uses Jeep to Run Down Man She Says Tried to Steal Her Purse; She's Been Charged With Assault
I don't know what the law says about the use of force to stop a fleeing criminal, so I have no idea if this charge has any good foundation.
Assuming she's telling the truth, though: I approve, and no jury in the world will convict her.A pregnant woman says she used her jeep to chase down and hit the person who tried to steal her purse in a Walmart parking lot. A news crew from WLOS caught part of the incident on camera. Witnesses told the station the man, identified as Robert Raines, was rummaging through the SUV before the incident.So she got in her SUV, and... well, just watch the video below.
Pregnant woman runs over suspected purse thief at North Carolina Walmart; Man was taken to the hospital, then jail pic.twitter.com/OM5J8zsXNv
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 29, 2017
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Mutt at June 29, 2017 01:22 PM (l1Qmx)
Posted by: butch at June 29, 2017 01:23 PM (0APJ3)
Posted by: tu3031 at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (qJhUV)
Did they broadcast Benny Hill's "Yakety Sax" over the loudspeakers to make the chase more entertaining?
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (zZWkn)
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 01:25 PM (7n4KQ)
That said, I have no sympathy for the guy, and wouldn't be bothered if she was let off.
Posted by: Schaeffer at June 29, 2017 01:25 PM (uHhqZ)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 29, 2017 01:25 PM (2qHjF)
Don't Drive!
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 01:26 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Schaeffer at June 29, 2017 01:26 PM (uHhqZ)
Posted by: Auscolpyr at June 29, 2017 01:26 PM (pzA2L)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 29, 2017 01:26 PM (2qHjF)
Posted by: harry paratestes at June 29, 2017 01:27 PM (fVxdm)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 29, 2017 01:27 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: butch
Did they broadcast Benny Hill's "Yakety Sax" over the loudspeakers to make the chase more entertaining?
Posted by: zombie
Curse you! (Shakes fist. Three big-boobed meter maids run by in the background.)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:27 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 29, 2017 01:28 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: DintCNuttin at June 29, 2017 01:28 PM (Hi6cL)
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:28 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 29, 2017 01:28 PM (s/EUv)
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:28 PM (u4vFl)
Posted by: MAGA at June 29, 2017 01:29 PM (2ygcM)
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:29 PM (8b+oT)
Watched it on a teeny-tiny window, never mind. It doesn't look like my Jeep then.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (s/EUv)
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (u4vFl)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (DQ4Fv)
Three boob meter maids?
Total Recall.
Posted by: wooga, get your ass to Mars! at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (asAON)
Posted by: mark1971 at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Trump the Covfefe brought to you by The Outrage Outlet Summer Spectacular! at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (uBQPh)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (zZWkn)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (DQ4Fv)
Being pregnant doesn't enter into the discussion, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
"Hey. Watch this."
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (Uxokn)
Yeah, valid charge. He was fleeing, she was no longer in imminent danger, and she hit him pretty firmly.
Unless the DA (or the victim) decides to drop the charges, she'll either plea out or get convicted. That video doesn't help her in the least.
How much time will she get? probably not a lot. It is also possible that a jury was give her 6 thumbs up and decline to convict, but that's a stretch.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Little Boomer at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (6fu25)
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (+7/1f)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: ALH at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (uLuPn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (zZWkn)
Not at all. The greatest mistake Western Civilization made was to dispense with John Locke's observation that property is at the root of freedom. A people who are secure in their property are free indeed. A people who are not secure in their property are not free, because they depend for any other "rights" they supposedly have on the largess of government, and victims of Leftist regimes from the Jacobins to Nicolas Maduro can tell you how that turns out.
I certainly would agree that a society where pregnant women have to run down purse thieves is sub-optimal to say the least, but that's the result of our society in the 1960s deciding that the freedom to run around shirtless getting high and getting laid trumped any kind of law and order. There was a time where scum like this purse snatcher would be kept in their place with a minimum of force. That's all gone now, and we've returned to the Wild West.
Posted by: TheLowerDepths at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (PMt8D)
Posted by: astute dude at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM (BZtGk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2017 01:33 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 29, 2017 01:33 PM (s/EUv)
It's sad, but I would probably do the same. Just to stop him and get him arrested at the very least.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2017 01:33 PM (fceHP)
I have two words for someone who just committed a crime: "open season."
Posted by: RKae at June 29, 2017 01:34 PM (gQyp8)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Trump the Covfefe brought to you by The Outrage Outlet Summer Spectacular! at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
That's her defense then.
Temporary hysteria.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:34 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Jayhawkfan63 at June 29, 2017 01:34 PM (cSc4o)
Posted by: bknsty14 at June 29, 2017 01:34 PM (0gAY0)
Meanwhile, Reason has a fun video mocking Elizabeth Warren's (and that of other leftists) over the top rhetoric on health insurance
https://www.facebook.com/Reason.Magazine/videos/10154847108494117/
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 01:34 PM (39g3+)
>>Pregnant women are captive to their hormones.
Poor man never had a chance.
Yeah. Easy mark or hormone addled force of nature, you decide!!
Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2017 01:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2017 01:35 PM (fceHP)
Posted by: Randy at June 29, 2017 01:35 PM (Uxokn)
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:35 PM (u4vFl)
of other leftists) over the top rhetoric on health insurance
Remy Rocks!
Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2017 01:35 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: fluffy at June 29, 2017 01:35 PM (jw2Xw)
I know they're a big thing in American culture, and according to what people say, Walmarts are "everywhere," I somehow have managed to conduct my life and never get within eyesight of one.
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:36 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 29, 2017 01:36 PM (nS5LK)
I think anytime the law wants to get stupid like this, ask for a jury. never cut a deal.
Posted by: Maritime at June 29, 2017 01:36 PM (IDhq0)
Posted by: Furious George at June 29, 2017 01:36 PM (j+dfT)
For watching thieving punks get what's coming to them, I love the Bait Bike channel.
Especially when they rig the bike to break in half.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (s/EUv)
Posted by: NCKate at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (dGSft)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: butch at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (0APJ3)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?
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We used to watch COPS with our kids when they were little and one day in the car I joked that it was hot and I was going to take off my shirt while we drove around and they started crying. They thought I would be pulled over by the police and get thrown to the ground and arrested.
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (8b+oT)
people say, Walmarts are "everywhere," I somehow have managed to conduct
my life and never get within eyesight of one.
Eh, not unlike Kmarts back in the day.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (NOIQH)
The law, on the other capricious hand...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (udajc)
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: astute dude
Well, she doesn't have a dong, but otherwise she's fine.
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (DQ4Fv)
LOL that's so cute!
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 29, 2017 01:38 PM (s/EUv)
what we really need is felony tort reform. by this I mean that no perpetrator of a felony would have any right to sue their victim. basically if you don't tie up a burglar in the basement like the movie Pulp Fiction, Society is just going to move on when a terrible thing happens to the felony suspect in the course of their crime. your response could potentially be a crime if it was completely disproportionate, but the suspect could never see you under any circumstances.
Posted by: Brian H at June 29, 2017 01:38 PM (7N26x)
Dismissed! That's an administrative charge, not a criminal charge. Simple traffic ticket.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 01:38 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: village idiot at June 29, 2017 01:38 PM (bf86X)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 29, 2017 01:36 PM (nS5LK)
Looks like she was doing something north of 25 when she hit him, so yeah, I'd say deadly.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:39 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 01:39 PM (7n4KQ)
Its just a store, people love to rip on it but its no different than any other mainstream big box store in terms of customers and layout. The stuff is generally cheaper, sometimes in quality but almost always in price.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 01:39 PM (39g3+)
You must reimburse!
Posted by: John E. Cockring at June 29, 2017 01:39 PM (xAvrH)
Probation, community service, and take away her license for a year.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 29, 2017 01:40 PM (0jtPF)
Posted by: mIKE at June 29, 2017 01:40 PM (swJ7s)
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (7n4KQ)
I thought my "temporary hysteria" covered it.
Perhaps too subtle.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (TOk1P)
I know they're a big thing in American culture, and according to what people say, Walmarts are "everywhere," I somehow have managed to conduct my life and never get within eyesight of one.
Posted by: zombie
I've never been within eyesight of the freak shows that you post from time to time.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (8b+oT)
Plenty of states actually do; castle doctrine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (39g3+)
Intended to post a riposte, but this is far better than what I conceived.
Posted by: yaedon at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (qdhQS)
Posted by: JAS at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (EX4Wr)
Posted by: Michael Nifong at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (j+dfT)
49
He's going to remember that little incident. Pregnant women can be a bit loopy, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Trump the Covfefe brought to you by The
Outrage Outlet Summer Spectacular! at June 29, 2017 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
That's her defense then.
Temporary hysteria.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:34 PM (TOk1P)
Gratifying to see that I've made a contribution with the "Temporary Insanity" defense.
Posted by: Zombie Daniel Sickles at June 29, 2017 01:41 PM (iFZVz)
Posted by: This...is CNN at June 29, 2017 01:42 PM (qJhUV)
It's just another data point on the public's "I'm madder than hell and I'm not gonna take it any longer!" scale.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 01:42 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: TheGarbone at June 29, 2017 01:43 PM (7KFPB)
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:43 PM (8b+oT)
'I DONT KNOW YOU! THAT'S MY PURSE!'
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 29, 2017 01:43 PM (TwwWO)
Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at June 29, 2017 01:43 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Svejk at June 29, 2017 01:43 PM (cYbai)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 01:39 PM (39g3+)
I tried to find a winter jacket for my son. In January, I believe. The fancier stores didn't have any.
Walmart did. Nice, heavy, warm, cheap.
Screw Target with a ball peen hammer. Sideways.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:43 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:44 PM (zZWkn)
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:44 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 01:44 PM (3wfnv)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 01:44 PM (zO1cf)
Posted by: Gman at June 29, 2017 01:44 PM (VXoTW)
'I DONT KNOW YOU! THAT'S MY PURSE!'
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 29, 2017 01:43 PM (TwwWO)
LOL! Classic!
Posted by: josephistan at June 29, 2017 01:45 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 01:45 PM (udajc)
Posted by: Audi at June 29, 2017 01:45 PM (u4vFl)
Posted by: josephistan at June 29, 2017 01:45 PM (7HtZB)
I think Texas allows you to use force to defend someone else's property.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (QQ+il)
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 01:37 PM (7n4KQ)
A woman and a truck driver get in an accident. Who's fault was it?
Wrong.
The truck driver.
What was he doing driving in the kitchen?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (72PAC)
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (3wfnv)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (DQ4Fv)
" but the she-bear thus accosted tends the peasant tooth and nail"
Personally I say good for her. Our society would be a lot better off with some instant painful justice for the lowlife criminal element. He was jogging away in contempt because that is how he views his prey.......maybe next time not so much.
Posted by: Old Guy at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (5qU9f)
Jury Foreman (standing): "Did she back up and hit him again Your Honor?
Judge: (wearing seersucker and looking up from his pulled pork sandwich) "No"
Foreman: "Well, OK then." (sitting down)
*confers with other jurors*
Jury Foreman: "Not Guilty"
Posted by: Publius Redux at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (Fb9aZ)
Things I have learned from COPS.
Everyone has a roommate.
Everyone has a roommate who lets them wear their pants/use their backpack.
Everyone's super generous roommate who lets them wear their pants/use their backpack is also a drug dealer who doesn't take particular care to pay attention to where s/he's stashing the drugs.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (mf5HN)
It doesn't have to be...
Spend more time at the range. Is what I'm trying to say.
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (u4vFl)
IF this dude stole this woman's valuables: then she used reasonable means at her disposal to stop that fuckin' thief.
Had she used a firearm, I'd say the same thing.
However, in both cases (a moving vehicle and a firearm) the threshold must be high for her to use as a defense that she was recovering stolen valuables from a thief fleeing from the scene of his crime.
Assuming there is no question the dude was struck by her actions, it is incumbent upon her (her legal team) to produce proof that this man had both stolen from her and was in the process of flight. - That's if she want's to use that as a DEFENSE.
Otherwise she can simply insist that the state prove that she ran him down. (Which would seem to be a fairly slam dunk case.)
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 01:47 PM (Z2PYk)
Vigilantism perhaps, but maybe, just maybe, it's time to stop being so "civilized" to those that aren't.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 01:47 PM (MdC1o)
Lock her up and take her baby from her. It's only fair.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 29, 2017 01:47 PM (U6f54)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 29, 2017 01:47 PM (xAvrH)
Posted by: Lower class person whose opinion must be guided at June 29, 2017 01:47 PM (oBuXO)
Posted by: navybrat at June 29, 2017 01:47 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:47 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: IC at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (3myMJ)
I think Texas allows you to use force to defend someone else's property.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (QQ+il)
Pull up the 911 call of the Texas man who was describing two guys coming out of his neighbor's house with the neighbors belongings. Kind of hilarious .
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (zO1cf)
in sum , fuck off Target, for that, and for scaring the shit out of me when you disclosed the theft of credit cards a week after I shopped there.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (zUYFs)
"They drew first blood. Now they're getting a war they can't believe."
Posted by: Max Power at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (3myMJ)
Not according to City of Chicago Police Commissioner Eddie Johnson!
Posted by: The mainstream media can EABOD at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (CEU4j)
Self defense law is pretty clear that if you're not in immediate jeopardy, the attacker doesn't have the means to harm you, ( he's infront of the car) you're gonna go to jail and serve some time.
Go to lawofselfdefense.com and read some of Andrew Brianca's info there. Car-gun-chair- fists doesn't matter if you don't have a ground for self defense - you don't get to just run people over.
Posted by: Janir at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (Lk5qN)
Plenty of states actually do; castle doctrine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
_____
Regardless of what the law said, I would vote to acquit if I was on a jury, assuming her story checked out.
People like this need to be hit by cars, had the police arrested him it would probably would have gotten him more federal aid. My guess is this clown has been in and out of the system for a while and it would just be a matter of time before he killed someone if he's stealing purses from pregnant women.
Posted by: Maritime at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (IDhq0)
Posted by: NCKate at June 29, 2017 01:49 PM (dGSft)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (zZWkn)
I agree. From the looks of it, she's basically committing attempted murder.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 01:49 PM (hcyUh)
What if the last shot was just for good measure?
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 01:49 PM (zO1cf)
Posted by: navybrat
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That's pretty harsh - she didn't kill him!
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:49 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: Furious George at June 29, 2017 01:50 PM (j+dfT)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 01:50 PM (zUYFs)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 29, 2017 01:50 PM (TwwWO)
Posted by: Marcus T at June 29, 2017 01:50 PM (Bdl0y)
Posted by: No shirt, no shoes, no sidewalk at June 29, 2017 01:50 PM (wx6iv)
"Hunger Games" is merely a remake of "Death Race 2000"!
How can no one have noticed this before?
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:50 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Roy
Are you shitting me? She took out the target. She should be flying an A-10. That is badass and dead accurate.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 29, 2017 01:51 PM (xAvrH)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 01:51 PM (rp9xB)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (zZWkn)
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This is good to know. What kind of car do you drive? What's your home address?
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 01:51 PM (Fmupd)
Everyone has a roommate.
Everyone has a roommate who lets them wear their pants/use their backpack.
Everyone's super generous roommate who lets them wear their pants/use their backpack is also a drug dealer who doesn't take particular care to pay attention to where s/he's stashing the drugs.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (mf5HN)
I saw one episode where the cops caught a guy shooting up, and he said "I swear to God, officer, that's not my arm!"
Posted by: josephistan at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: tu3031 at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (qJhUV)
Yeah I never mess with pregnant women. Ever.
I guess he was going for suicide by pregnant women?
Posted by: Marcus T at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (Bdl0y)
Posted by: Frank Lee, Major at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (m9X4Y)
Once the threat is neutralized, you are obliged to stop shooting.
So. Shoot well.
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (u4vFl)
Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: Xander Crews at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (R2mTT)
Posted by: Monty James at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (gKOMX)
criminal, so I have no idea if this charge has any good foundation.
.
.
.The use of a vehicle to run over someone constitutes deadly force at least in Texas.
And a guy just snatching a purse and running away most definitely does not justify the use of deadly force.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 01:53 PM (0pcwX)
Posted by: 13times at June 29, 2017 01:53 PM (WHVu+)
Posted by: USNtakim
Bless you sir! I wish everyone felt that way.
Posted by: Lois Lerner at June 29, 2017 01:53 PM (xAvrH)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 29, 2017 01:53 PM (TwwWO)
Posted by: Monty James at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (gKOMX)
'Zackly.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 01:54 PM (EgOr3)
That belongs on a local billboard with his mugshot Monty James, just beautiful.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 01:54 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: Janir
Go to MyBallOnYourFace.com in which I explain that thieves are not immune to a common sense of justice.
Pick one: thieves or people not interested in thieving.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 01:54 PM (udajc)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
Benny Hill was a truly funny guy, but Yakety Sax is by Boots Randolph, if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 01:54 PM (XUcIQ)
Whoreywood: You will never work in this town again!
Posted by: JAS at June 29, 2017 01:54 PM (EX4Wr)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 29, 2017 01:55 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: Marcus T at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (Bdl0y)
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Hmmmm.
Yep. I gotta go with the wife on this one.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 29, 2017 01:55 PM (0jtPF)
It only takes 1 juror to say that the guy had it coming to get a mistrial.
Posted by: GMan at June 29, 2017 01:55 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 01:55 PM (zUYFs)
Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 29, 2017 01:55 PM (SIVRK)
Better than Chris Cuomo.
Posted by: wooga at June 29, 2017 01:55 PM (asAON)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 01:56 PM (zUYFs)
More details here. She's been charged with misdemeanor assault, and he's got a bunch of charges as well, since he clearly did damage her property.
That all sounds about right.
Posted by: TheLowerDepths at June 29, 2017 01:56 PM (PMt8D)
Right, because coming back in less than 5 makes it look too obvious.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 01:56 PM (MdC1o)
Would that would be a miscarriage of justice?
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (u4vFl)
Once the threat is neutralized, you are obliged to stop shooting.
So. Shoot well.
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (u4vFl
I was being sarcastic but the pharmacist claimed he didn't believe the threat was neutralized as he appeared to still be moving. Using reasonable person standard he probably didn't meet that burden but for me it should be reasonable person standard of someone ,who is not trained for it , in a armed robbery stress situation. That he got life is a travesty.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (zO1cf)
Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (uh5kC)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (zZWkn)
He was in possession of her purse. Looks like a meth head to me.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (zZWkn)
I'm not bloodthirsty, but I do think you should be able to use deadly force to protect your property. That property often took months or years of my life to acquire. Unlike muggers and sneak-thieves, I work hard for what I have. Absolutely I should be able to protect and keep it.
Posted by: kathysaysso at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (vkS2Z)
Posted by: nip at June 29, 2017 01:58 PM (VqJRJ)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 29, 2017 01:58 PM (toi7g)
Posted by: Toad-O at June 29, 2017 01:58 PM (cct0t)
I've said that. You'd think the cops would just roll up and bust every guy who's shirtless. Why waste time asking witnesses anything? You KNOW who the perp(s) is/are.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 01:58 PM (SRKgf)
So. Shoot well.
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:52 PM (u4vFl
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.45ACP, because ammo ain't cheap and shooting twice is just silly.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 01:58 PM (MdC1o)
Pffht.
If she hasn't been convicted of similar things, she'll be fine, probably a deferred judgment.
Next.
Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at June 29, 2017 01:59 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 01:56 PM
In this case, I wouldn't even leave the room. Right there in the jury box, not guilty. thirty seconds max start to finish.
Posted by: Frank Lee, Major at June 29, 2017 01:59 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (XUcIQ)
He looks like a hood ornament to me.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 01:59 PM (SRKgf)
The one in Mountain View is the only one that I really ever visit.
Posted by: JEM at June 29, 2017 01:59 PM (TppKb)
Maybe he's just some poor sap who couldn't find a shirt that looked good un-tucked?
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:59 PM (u4vFl)
Posted by: Nick Stokes at June 29, 2017 02:00 PM (l4aLi)
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 02:00 PM (u4vFl)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 01:53 PM (0pcwX)
And, yet, if it were more commonplace, purse-snatching might start to decline! I don't care. Don't steal from people and this won't happen.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:00 PM (EgOr3)
A pregnant woman overreacted? Yawn.
Too bad the guy lived. Now we will have to pay for his upkeep.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 29, 2017 02:00 PM (0x/TW)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 01:59 PM (SRKgf)
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Say, those truck nuts on your bumper look so realistic!
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:00 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: auscolpyr at June 29, 2017 02:00 PM (suO/a)
Posted by: JEM at June 29, 2017 02:01 PM (TppKb)
We are not about meeting criminals half-way.
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 02:01 PM (3wfnv)
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:01 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (XUcIQ)
She was pregnant and he Had Her Purse? Yeah, no woman will convict on that one. The purse is sacred.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:01 PM (rp9xB)
Posted by: Toad-O at June 29, 2017 02:02 PM (cct0t)
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There would be a lot loss property crime if society universally accepted deadly force to stop it.
Of course tolerance of property crime inherently leads to more violent crime as modern policing research (and common sense) clearly show.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:02 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: LASue at June 29, 2017 02:02 PM (hZ+us)
#ShirtlessGuysLivesMatter
#NotVeryMuch,Granted,But-a-Little.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:02 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
Benny Hill was a truly funny guy, but Yakety Sax is by Boots Randolph, if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 01:54 PM (XUcIQ)
Correct. But it was Benny Hill's theme song. Along with his Keystone Kops antics while it played on the show's opening credits.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:02 PM (pGfNT)
>>It only takes 1 juror to say that the guy had it coming to get a mistrial.
Would that would be a miscarriage of justice?
Posted by: garrett at June 29, 2017 01:57 PM (u4vFl)
Preggers, right? If the pants don't fit, you must acquit.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 29, 2017 02:02 PM (tbOMB)
OT but the un tuck guy in his commercials looks like he would be douche. Might be the nicest guy in the world but that commercial just gives me that feeling.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (zO1cf)
In California, DAs will sometimes drag things out forcing a suspect to either go broke preparing to defend themselves form the serious charge ---or--- take a plea to a much lower charge with little punishment, no jail and short probation.
Posted by: grayswindir at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (xGZ+b)
Which is why if you kill a burglar in your house, always remember that important phrase "I was in fear for my life".
Posted by: navybrat at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: AE at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (g2dpq)
There's a shooting at that san leandro Walmart every Christmas shopping season.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (toi7g)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:01 PM (rp9xB)
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Pay heed young'ns
Her purse holds more secrets and more power than the Ark of the Covenant.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (MdC1o)
In their need to show mostly white guys as perps, that's the kind of white guy you find doing low end crime.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (+7/1f)
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Speed bump.
Posted by: auscolpyr at June 29, 2017 02:00 PM (suO/a)
Street theater. They were re-enacting the Tsarnaev bust.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Toad-O
Only if it has the thing that goes up.
If you throw a D-cell at them and hit them, is it assault or battery?
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (7n4KQ)
No, that would be jury nullification. Totally valid and useful in some cases.
If her lawyer does his job and gets one sympathetic person on that jury it's a mistrial. And I'd bet he could find one in the jury pool.
Posted by: GMan at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (sxq57)
got a bunch of charges as well, since he clearly did damage her
property.
***
Can she sue him for her car's paint work?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (0mRoj)
You will propose that she should have called the police. Entirely sensible.
The emergency responder may or may not have answered (not all calls are immediately answered )
The emergency responder may or may not have asked the caller to calmly describe the event in question.
The emergency responder may or may not have told the caller to calmly wait for the cops who will write a report that may or may not be tossed to a investigator.
The investigator may or may not decide that there is no imminent threat to the community and that while her loss is regretible, it's not a crime-stat, so fuck that shit.
Justice served.
Like cold shit on a warm sunday.
You are the 'first responder' in any situation whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (udajc)
The one in Mountain View is the only one that I really ever visit.
Posted by: JEM
Huh. San Leandro and Mountain View. (Updates list of places to avoid.)
Posted by: zombie at June 29, 2017 02:05 PM (DQ4Fv)
Maybe it wasn't a good idea to run down the thief but I'd bet a good attorney could get this woman off without jail time.
Posted by: troyriser at June 29, 2017 02:05 PM (Fw5cQ)
And a guy just snatching a purse and running away most definitely does not justify the use of deadly force.
That purse probably had a lot of personal identification in it.Would you want some meth head getting away with it and wondering if he's going to show up on your doorstep?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 29, 2017 02:05 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:01 PM (rp9xB)
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Pay heed young'ns
Her purse holds more secrets and more power than the Ark of the Covenant.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:03 PM (MdC1o)
And will melt your face if you look inside it.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:05 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:01 PM (nFwvY)
I love that! I hope his dad also beat him within an inch of his life.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:05 PM (EgOr3)
why did President Trump pull the trigger on this one now? There wasn't anything particularly bad said about him on the Mika/Joe show yesterday or recently, certainly nothing outside the usual. Why now? What prompted this particular tactic?
Its not like the president gets on Twitter at 3 AM drunk and yelling "and another thing!!!" This is on purpose and timed. But why?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (39g3+)
You can use force to defend your own life, sure. And if you're in a situation where it's appropriate to use force, then it's appropriate to use lethal force. There's no middle case. To take the contrapositive, if it's not appropriate to use lethal force, it's not appropriate to use force at all.
I just don't see this as one of those cases.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (0mRoj)
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I call that justice.
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (zUYFs)
Posted by: Mx4 at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (gw4X+)
But the Explorer you see was still running.
He took off at a trot,
Through Wally's front lot,
And she hit him where the shine wasn't sunning.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:07 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:07 PM (0mRoj)
Them's fightin' words in Texas, NancyBoy!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:07 PM (OmOvC)
Posted by: GMan at June 29, 2017 02:07 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: GMan at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (sxq57)
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I would argue she was trying to get her pursue back.
At what point are you obligated to let a criminal take your property so as to not hurt their feelings?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: KIM at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (/y/I/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (39g3+)
Aka The Sarah Palin Gambit.
Posted by: 13times at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (WHVu+)
TPC 9.42 says, "A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:"
"[if -ed] he reasonably believes that"
"the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means"
They don't give a minimum value, which seems a bit odd.
If the above event happened in TX, it appears the driver would be safe under the law.
I guess my question is, does this law still get applied? Is it just on the books like the English law that makes it legal to kill a Welshman on a Sunday? Are people getting legally killed over stealing a small value item?
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (jhqr1)
Theory posited by a Hordeling was that it is to distract from the "Travel Ban" that goes into effect tonight. He has shown himself very willing to take the left's misdirected fire if it keeps them from paying attention to the fact that his policies are being put in place.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (rp9xB)
Emotionally, I'm sick and tired of sympathy for dirtbag criminals, and have no problem with people culling the herd a bit.
It's not like sonnets won't get written, or cancer cures discovered when some of these clowns get smoked.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (eSx+E)
You will propose that she should have called the police. Entirely sensible.
The emergency responder may or may not have answered (not all calls are immediately answered )
The emergency responder may or may not have asked the caller to calmly describe the event in question.
The emergency responder may or may not have told the caller to calmly wait for the cops who will write a report that may or may not be tossed to a investigator.
The investigator may or may not decide that there is no imminent threat to the community and that while her loss is regretible, it's not a crime-stat, so fuck that shit.
Justice served.
Like cold shit on a warm sunday.
You are the 'first responder' in any situation whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (udajc)
In her purse:
Credit Cards
Medical ID
Check Book
Cell Phone
Cash
Yeah, just let him run with it. Like hell.
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (3wfnv)
I call that justice.
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (Fmupd)
For a purse snatching?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:07 PM (0mRoj)
It would cut down on purse snatching.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (zO1cf)
Tell me about it
Posted by: Bernard Goetz at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (+7/1f)
Most people are thinking about this the wrong way.
If we imagine that the woman's purse only had a few dollars in it, then we might be inclined to think the man run down was wronged, assaulted.
But consider, that cops can do this to you. They don't even have to be robbed. You can just be FLEEING arrest. - And the cops would be justified in running you down. What if you have been seriously accused of committing a very serious crime??
But now consider this. What if the woman - for whatever reason - had in her possession $2,000.00 in cash which represented the sum total of her life savings?
(Someone else might judgmentally claim that holding such a large amount of cash on person is stupid. But who would they be to judge? Perhaps she had good reason to withdraw her savings but needed to stop at the shopping market in order to get food for her children that night.)
If that were the case, then this woman would have needed to use whatever REASONABLE means at her disposal to retrieve her ultimate livelihood.
Her ability to retrieve her life savings from a craven thief will effect the quality of life of her children and even for herself.
If she had a phaser which she could "set for stun" and instead chose to use the kill beam: well, then she'd be guilty.
But what is a pregnant woman supposed to do when she is robbed of everything she has by a nasty, bare-chested thief?
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (Z2PYk)
Posted by: KIM at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (/y/I/)
In mirror image, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (SRKgf)
Is she hawt?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (gIRsn)
Posted by: Janir at June 29, 2017 01:48 PM (Lk5qN)
Perp had her purse. What if she had had her pistol in that purse, as yet unbeknownst to the perp? She might be very anxious to recover that weapon before the meth-crazed freak discovered it and used against her, or some other innocent.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (XUcIQ)
There are actually many good things about Walmart though I don't shop there a lot and they really need to get their ecommerce act together. The one in San Leandro has a somewhat foul reputation for folks getting jacked in the parking lot. The one in Mountain View is fine.
Posted by: JEM at June 29, 2017 02:09 PM (TppKb)
if it's not appropriate to use lethal force, it's not appropriate to
use force at all.
I just don't see this as one of those cases.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (hcyUh)
Except there is a middle case, depending on state law. In WA, you can use force to stop the commission of a felony (paraphrasing) in addition to protecting life (yourself or other). I presume that includes felony property crimes.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (xAvrH)
distract from the "Travel Ban" that goes into effect tonight. He has
shown himself very willing to take the left's misdirected fire if it
keeps them from paying attention to the fact that his policies are being
put in place.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (rp9xB)
Yup! He's absolutely genius with the mis-direction and sleight of hand. I love him so much!
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:06 PM (39g3+)
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He sent the squirrel running across the street for something. It's anyone's guess. But I do agree there's purpose behind it.
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (Fmupd)
And you have no right to my property.
Period. Full stop. Nothing else to say.
Go ahead. Defend the indefensible.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (zZWkn)
" but the she-bear thus accosted tends the peasant tooth and nail"
Everything I need to know, I learned from Rudyard Kipling.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at June 29, 2017 02:11 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: FNM and GOPe at June 29, 2017 02:11 PM (npdX6)
Posted by: Bandersnatch
since she's pregnant, she rated a "one" to at least one dude recently.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 02:11 PM (zUYFs)
Its a thought. I was thinking maybe it was to snowball MSNBC onto CNN's woes, tie the whole ugly media together in a bundle. When CNN suffers, MSNBC usually gains ratings as the leftist idiots move over to that channel instead.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 29, 2017 02:11 PM (PNcou)
You can bet your ass she'd be prosecuted then.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:11 PM (SRKgf)
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Hollywood movie star who is the son of a Hollywood movie star is more in touch with America than Johnny "Come Lately" Derp and the other flashes in the lan.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 02:12 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: dDan at June 29, 2017 02:12 PM (hwYmz)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 02:12 PM (zUYFs)
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** ponders spanking hot Saudi women **
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 29, 2017 02:12 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2017 02:12 PM (BWL+E)
Again if I could tiny URL I would link to the Texas guy who blew away two burglars that were exiting his neighbor's house with his TV and other belongings. He was on the 911 call when he did it.
Grand Jury no caused it.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:12 PM (zO1cf)
It's twitter, I can't see twitter video.
broken bones? intensive care? critical injuries?
or more like he was knocked down by an NFL linebacker.
How fast was she going? air bags deployed? that happens at 5mph I've heard.
Posted by: Frank Lee, Major at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (m9X4Y)
Credit Cards
Medical ID
Check Book
Cell Phone
Cash
Yeah, just let him run with it. Like hell.
Posted by: gNewt
House keys and address.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (pGfNT)
That purse probably had a lot of personal identification in it.Would
you want some meth head getting away with it and wondering if he's
going to show up on your doorstep?
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.
.
.Did I say the guy was a saint and shouldn't face the consequences? IMO he got what he deserved but I don't write the laws the State does and this is clearly a case of excessive force and she deserved to be charged.
As far as the perp goes he will just take the cash and toss the rest of the stuff into someones backyard or a dumpster. Punks like that do not have the cohones to track people down especially after robbing them.
That happened to us twice in Kentucky because we had a corner lot with a tall privacy fence. Kids breaking into cars in the neighborhood would steal purses take the cash and toss the rest of the stuff into our backyard on the way to the dollar store.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (0pcwX)
Yea, I'm sure this guy was just getting his life back together. Taking care of grandma and working at a day-care... /s
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (eSx+E)
Well, death =/= hurt feelings, so, not sure where to take that line of argument....
I honestly don't have an "answer", because who the feck am I, right? But to gleefully crow that vehicular homicide is the appropriate response to criminal behavior just seems wrong to me.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (6Ll1u)
If I was on the jury I would refuse to convict.
If I was a voter in the district I would vote against the DA/mayor/responsible elected official if they brought charges against her.
If scumbag doesn't steal her purse, she doesn't run him over. Therefore, it is still scumbags fault.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (eSx+E)
Our laws are retarded.
The Law of Common Sense says that once someone commits a crime of violence or robbery against you they have given up any right to much of anything for that situation. If you decide to shoot them in the head, then that's just the chance they took when they tried to hurt or rob you.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (rZ+mb)
Yup.
Posted by: GMan at June 29, 2017 02:08 PM (sxq57)
Seems a bit Draconian. Out of curiosity, are there crimes in addition to purse-snatching that would apply the death penalty to that are not currently capital crimes?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Under Fire at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (l4aLi)
sorry, got cut off:
was supposed to read:
What does the USN stand for in your nic, if you don't mind telling.
Posted by: dDan at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (hwYmz)
Now I do remember one woman convicted of killing her husband, a prominent Houston Dentist, by running him over, but a) she was waiting for him in a parking lot and ambushed him, and b) witnesses said she didn't just run him over, she backed up and ran over him again at least twice.
now that was one pissed off woman.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (OmOvC)
"does not justify the use of deadly force."
They say it does in Venezuela. Set them on fire and let them run around.
Posted by: Mudd at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (cfHE9)
I'm waiting for someone to answer the question as to whether this woman was entitled to make a FORCIBLE effort to stop this fuckin' thief.
Yes or no?
I say that it is obvious that yes she had that right. - But that she is the one who will have to prove it (as a DEFENSE) in a criminal court of law.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (Z2PYk)
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Yes, thieves should consider this point very carefully before they act.
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (3wfnv)
Also possible. I'm sure he'd be happy to have accomplished both with one effort.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (rp9xB)
What if the purse was full of ten shades of lipstick, 57 cents in change, Tic Tacs, and a Little Debbie?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (rPBK6)
Posted by: The Garbone at June 29, 2017 02:14 PM (X2m/e)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (MdC1o)
Turning his life around. And hoping she didn't turn the car around.
And he was an aspiring
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:15 PM (SRKgf)
Which she did. And as others have noted: anger a pregnant woman at your peril, they are often not rational.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:15 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at June 29, 2017 02:15 PM (Yi9Gb)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (zZWkn)
Trespassers should be shot. Thieves of any sort deserve to be shot.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:15 PM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 29, 2017 02:16 PM (PNcou)
Not quite. She went to the hotel where he was with his mistress. He blocked her car and she ran over him and then made the circle and ran over him again, the teen daughter was in the car.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:16 PM (zO1cf)
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Once somebody steals my shit, my concern for their life is over. I've been robbed and I've been burglarized. And I wished a slow and agonizing death upon the perpetrators.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:16 PM (EgOr3)
And you have no right to my property.
Period. Full stop. Nothing else to say.
Go ahead. Defend the indefensible.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:10 PM (pGfNT)
Well ok then.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:16 PM (hcyUh)
But to gleefully crow that vehicular homicide is the appropriate
response to criminal behavior just seems wrong to me.
***
What other means did she have at hand to stop him from getting away with her purse?
I presume if she had a "teleport cops here now" button she would have pressed it...but she had only her car.
Citizens shouldn't have to submit to the criminal theft of their property.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:16 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: IC at June 29, 2017 02:16 PM (a0IVu)
you probably DO NOT want to grab my wallet.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:17 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 29, 2017 02:17 PM (xAvrH)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:15 PM (rZ+mb)
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Wouldn't take long before ther'd be a whole lot less trepassin' and thiev'n goin on.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:17 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: Mudd at June 29, 2017 02:17 PM (cfHE9)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:17 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 29, 2017 02:17 PM (rPBK6)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:17 PM (SRKgf)
1992 my car was parked outside of base, because my ship was in the Yards in San Diego. I was working 5 to 2... so walked out to my car and a guy was INSIDE my car, stealing my stereo.
I walked up and said 'hey, what the F you doing in my car'...
Guy said, 'no, is my car' getting crawling out of the broken passenger side window with my stereo in hand...
Little scawny guy... had on a leather jacket even though it was hot out... had my stereo in one hand and something else tucked under his arm.
Chased him down the street... saying 'drop my shit'...
I finally pushed him into a car,.... he dropped my stereo, and ran off.
Cops got there, and KNEW who this guy was... went and picked him up... and said I'd be hearing from a Detective...
Well.... long story short, they dropped the charges against the guy because they said HE would probably walk, but I would be in Jail... for assault... for pushing him into that car...
Talk about an eye opener....
Posted by: Don Q. at June 29, 2017 02:18 PM (NgKpN)
I disagree. I know that's the very recently modern perspective, but you have lost a lot of free expression of your rights when you turn to crime.
You know what the origin of the term "outlaw" is?
Old English common law. For many crimes you were given the option of leaving the country: take a direct route to the nearest port and sail away never to return. If you did that, you could go and not be bothered. If you stopped, delayed, or ran away, you became "outlaw."
That means "outside the law" as in "no laws apply to you any more, you are prey to every single person in England without penalty."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:18 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:18 PM (SRKgf)
Being pregnant doesn't enter into the discussion, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
Pretty much. If you'd convict a man for it, you should convict her too.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 29, 2017 02:18 PM (XMDuf)
That reminds me of a conversation I overheard where one highly educated Microsoft developer said to another highly educated Microsoft developer that it was actually legal in Texas to kill someone that "needed killing".
Not a hint of irony.
The second person said, "I believe it."
I just walked by and shook my head.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:18 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 29, 2017 02:19 PM (O9qtX)
Again, please answer the question as to whether this woman was entitled to make a FORCIBLE effort to stop this fuckin' thief from stealing her purse and all her valuables in it?
Yes or no?
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:19 PM (Z2PYk)
How does this perp not get away? I assume it took her a minute or two to get into the SUV start it up and pull out of the space.I would have been long gone by then
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 29, 2017 02:19 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (hcyUh)
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Wow! Another one. Love this country. So many people will to let me steal their shit with no consequences.
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 02:19 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 02:19 PM (zZWkn)
Sure, this was a random guy who tried to mug her; I think that many would choose to run down someone they know. But still.
No jury would convict her.
Also ... pregnant + woman+ hormones= biology made her crazy. She had no choice but to turn into Bruce Willis in a Die Hard film.
Posted by: shibumi at June 29, 2017 02:20 PM (aT+Bx)
You have the right to use force to protect your property. He does not have the right to take your property, nor to expect safety or comfort when he takes it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:20 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: The Garbone at June 29, 2017 02:20 PM (X2m/e)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:21 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 29, 2017 02:21 PM (0x/TW)
because they said HE would probably walk, but I would be in Jail... for
assault... for pushing him into that car...
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Seems appropriate;
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/118/088/929.jpg
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:21 PM (eSx+E)
My sister had the window of her 67 Mustang broken in the theft of her radio. She was told to stop locking her car since the windows were too expensive to keep replacing. That was the "solution".
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:21 PM (rp9xB)
It's twitter, I can't see twitter video.
broken bones? intensive care? critical injuries?
or more like he was knocked down by an NFL linebacker.
-
Article says minor injuries.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 02:22 PM (Nwg0u)
Zero.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:22 PM (MdC1o)
That's totally ridiculous. The thief decided to violate another person's rights and property. He gave up his own rights and property when he did that. But you think that a thief should be allowed to just take whatever he wants and run away .... because someone might have insurance.
Your attitude is totally indefensible. Thieves must understand the great risk they put themselves in when they decide to force their ways on others and to take others' possessions - and that risk must include their lives.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:22 PM (rZ+mb)
the books like the English law that makes it legal to kill a Welshman on
a Sunday? Are people getting legally killed over stealing a small
value item?"
Hell yeah, it's still applied! But you don't hear about it, because a) it doesn't happen that often; you've got to both catch a perp in the act, and be ready to act upon it immediately. Both are hard to do. and b) the way it is enforced is that the police investigate and say "oh yeah, you were allowed" and it gets dropped with no charges ever being filed, and ends just being a local news story on page 26. "Annoying meth-head up on 26th street won't be bothering people any more"
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:22 PM (OmOvC)
I'd just like to point out that property I legally gain requires a bit of my life to earn. That bit of my life cannot be replaced. Sure, insurance can cover loss, but then the policy becomes more expensive, which again, requires a bit of my life to pay for it.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:22 PM (jhqr1)
Thank you for your service.
Pretty much. If you'd convict a man for it, you should convict her too.
Wrong. Not only is that two people being victimized, but she's at a point of unusual weakness, even more so than being a woman. Its like robbing a man in a wheelchair vs an ordinary man. The crime is worse, then. This is not some cryptic super-secret legal doctrine that only experts can puzzle out. Its just flat common sense obvious.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:22 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Toad-O at June 29, 2017 02:22 PM (cct0t)
Er, not that I condone this behavior, mind you.
Posted by: Fritz at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (2Mnv1)
I guess we can call the guy Mr Dent.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (zUYFs)
He ran in a straight line just begging to get hit.
Serpentine.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (/tuJf)
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This could explain my mother In Law
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (PNcou)
It is so much simpler than all that.
The naysayers to this woman's actions (who knows, she might even hate Trump and all Republicans!) need to answer one very simple question:
Was this woman entitled to make a FORCIBLE effort to stop this fuckin' thief who had snatched her valuables?
Yes or no?
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (Z2PYk)
Our laws are retarded.
The Law of Common Sense says that once someone commits a crime of violence or robbery against you they have given up any right to much of anything for that situation. If you decide to shoot them in the head, then that's just the chance they took when they tried to hurt or rob you.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:13 PM (rZ+mb)
That's pretty much where I come down. Modern laws are way too biased against upstanding citizens and in favor of lowlife scum.
Posted by: rickl at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (xjiRE)
In response to an article regarding a new NRA ad:
If any one in America ever comes to confiscate your
guns it will be the NRA and their right wing running dogs in
Congress---you know, the ones they own. When they talk about "smaller
government" be afraid , be very afraid, because "smaller" does not mean
less powerful, what it does mean is more power concentrated in the hands
of fewer people who are subject to fewer, if any, checks and balances.
We usually call that a Dictatorship.
Posted by: Armando at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (FwRqg)
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This could explain my mother In Law
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (PNcou)
Hostis humani generis, eh?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (eSx+E)
no one was killed pantwaists. good lord. a pregnant woman has more balls.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (zZWkn)
Posted by: Under Fire at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (l4aLi)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 29, 2017 02:19 PM (lKyWE)
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WORD
Posted by: Billie Joe and Bobbie Sue at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (PNcou)
Not saying that's necessarily wrong, but it's what many here seem to be arguing for. I'm just not on board with it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (zO1cf)
To Kill a Mockingbird
Shot rabid dog down in cold blood.
Picked the best shot cause they didn't want to miss.
Canadian Sniper killed ISIS commander at two miles.
ISIS Commander didn't see or hear it coming.
Death sentence for some dogs when they are captured by Animal Control.
She helped the guy out. He now has a chance to turn his life around before he could become a Bernie fan and be executed for leaking DNC dirt to WikiLeaks.
Posted by: Mudd at June 29, 2017 02:25 PM (cfHE9)
Posted by: Gridlock at June 29, 2017 02:25 PM (4nmNX)
of fewer people
***
So when all those conservatives try to take power from one guy in DC and give it to 50 guys/gals in each state is that more or less concentration?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:25 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:25 PM (39g3+)
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Figured so. bruises and abrasions is a long way from vehicular homicide. And who knows, maybe she didn't intent to kill the guy, and just wanted to knock him down. No intent, no crime. The precedent has been set.
Posted by: Frank Lee, Major at June 29, 2017 02:25 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: gm at June 29, 2017 02:25 PM (QFb9P)
Was this woman entitled to make a FORCIBLE effort to stop this fuckin' thief who had snatched her valuables?
Yes or no?
------ I hear no answer from the idiot naysayers. None.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:25 PM (Z2PYk)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (RD7QR)
You start to lose when you add a strawman to your point.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (zO1cf)
person's rights and property. He gave up his own rights and property
when he did that. But you think that a thief should be allowed to just
take whatever he wants and run away .... because someone might have
insurance.
Your attitude is totally indefensible. Thieves must understand the
great risk they put themselves in when they decide to force their ways
on others and to take others' possessions - and that risk must include
their lives.
.
.
.There is a fine line on when deadly force is justified and it varies State by State. But I can pretty much say that if you shoot and kill someone who grabs a purse and is running away you are going to face charges. And you better hire a very good lawyer.
I personally would not kill someone for stealing from me or the wife. My line in the sand is if they try to hurt the wife or come into my house, then I will open fire until the threat is neutralized.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (0pcwX)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (zUYFs)
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Heh.
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:20 PM (39g3+)
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It is your property. It is not for someone else to arbitrarily value it.
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (3wfnv)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (Eyx+b)
Anyway, he probably gets free medicaid to pay his medical bills.
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (nFwvY)
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In say 1799 , do you expect that a thief would be allowed to prance away, slowly, after grabbing property from a woman or that the woman and any men around her would use force to stop the thief?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (eSx+E)
Not saying that's necessarily wrong, but it's what many here seem to be arguing for. I'm just not on board with it.
Then get the fucking cops to prosecute IN EVERY INSTANCE and not have the DA drop the charges.
Because when they drop the charges, the state is not longer legitimate and protecting it's citizens.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (pGfNT)
It's a bad idea to mess with pregnant women or new mothers. They're likely to be in mama bear mode and willing to fuck you up. It's his tough luck that he made a shitty decision.
Posted by: stace at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (pb2K/)
"He threatened me"
"I thought he was going to come back and kill me"
.
.
.And you had better hope that there was no one close by taking a video like this one that showed the perp running away as fast as he could.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (0pcwX)
Talk about an eye opener....
Posted by: Don Q. at June 29, 2017 02:18 PM (NgKpN)
You should have just killed him, and un-assed the area.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: steevy at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (rmVvL)
That would be a defense. "He had my DL with my address. I was afraid he could come to my house and attack me and my unborn child."
Bam. Not guilty.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 29, 2017 02:28 PM (O9qtX)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (RD7QR)
Charge her, then drop the charges.
Charge the shithead with a felony, and ring him up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:28 PM (SRKgf)
That sucks.
Here in HoosierVille ... lethal force in defense of self, property, or a third party is A.O.K.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 29, 2017 02:28 PM (8dl4J)
Posted by: rickl at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (xjiRE)
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This goes on to point the need to publish time served/sentenced for any inmate released.
So mama bear doesn't run him over but he gets arrested. What's he get? Maybe a year in county?
Two?
He's back on the street in 3 months, to a halfway house with voluntary reporting, free to continue his thiev'n ways, only with now better training in how not to get caught.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:28 PM (MdC1o)
That would be a defense. "He had my DL with my address. I was afraid he could come to my house and attack me and my unborn child."
Bam. Not guilty.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 29, 2017 02:28 PM (O9qtX)
That's not going to be a viable claim of self defense.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: gm at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (QFb9P)
Yes or no?
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM
I vote yes. This is still a democracy, right? we are allowed to vote on it?
Posted by: Frank Lee, Major at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: JAS at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (EX4Wr)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (39g3+)
I have no sympathy for the thief either. He was as wrong as the driver in this case. They will both be charged with felonies.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (zZWkn)
His wrong precipitated hers. If he hadn't been a scum-sucking, thieving waste of space, she would have done nothing to him. I don't get this at all. The only thing I can figure is the people who are posting all this "poor thief" stuff have never been the innocent victim of a crime.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Warai-otoko
Flaming straw-man?
Flaming straw-man?
Who ordered the Flaming straw-man?
This is expensive shit, guys. Don't make me throw this thing out!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (udajc)
Posted by: The Ninth Circus at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (0pcwX)
Now here's an interesting question: if you took the video, and realized what happened, do you give the video to the cops or 86 it?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (SRKgf)
But, while she may not have anything of financial value in her purse, if she has any type of ID, she could assume that the perpetrator would use that information to torment her further.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (DxWUs)
Posted by: Armando at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (FwRqg)
That IS epic stupid, even beating out the MSFT armchair lawyers.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 29, 2017 01:46 PM (QQ+il)
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Yes, but they are supposed to request that you do so.
This is what made Joe Horn's case so interesting. That and his hollering out "You're dead" indicates he was not shooting to merely stop the threat.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a hero. But you have to mind your P's and Q's if you're going to fire buckshot into somebody robbing your neighbor's house.
We have instances here too of clerks killing robbers over cases of beer, no charges filed.
Dear God I love Texas.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (PNcou)
Well the purse sure goes flying up in the air at the end of it. I say convict the thief and give a driving while preggo ticket to the lady.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (+lVUW)
Almost asked you, then I looked it up. Geez, what a story. Witnesses who don't know either say the guy was asking the little girl, Is that your father? And still the father is feeling self-righteous.
Posted by: JPS at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (i0KM/)
Not to a prosecutor. But a jury will buy that.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (O9qtX)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 02:19 PM (zZWkn)
Appreciate your response.
Lots of mil people on blog, just trying to keep up.
Posted by: dDan at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (hwYmz)
Bam. Not guilty.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 29, 2017 02:28 PM (O9qtX)
That's not going to be a viable claim of self defense.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:29 PM (0mRoj)
In a law book maybe.
In a jury room? Good luck.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:31 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 29, 2017 02:31 PM (hMwEB)
Then you are Bill and Hilary Clinton.
Or you live in some parts of Detroit or Chicago.
Large parts of Mexico.
People figure out the real rules and adapt. The fact that a couple of people posting here won't go to that Walmart out of safety concerns speaks volumes. They could have convicted OJ if they had tried him in a civilized area. They didn't because of cameras. Fame and Fortune. Using two people's death to get book deals. Sickening.
Posted by: Mudd at June 29, 2017 02:31 PM (cfHE9)
If you were a thief, you might get branded for the first offense. But if you were caught thiefing a second time, you hung.
Life was hard back then and so were the people.
Posted by: Boots at June 29, 2017 02:31 PM (EBwPV)
Also in California (see Breitbart) a Trump supporter attending a Trump rally, when surrounded by angry anti-trump protesters reveals his legally carried firearm and is arrested for 'brandishing' a weapon while surrounded by an angry mob.
Posted by: Frank Lee, Major at June 29, 2017 02:31 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (RD7QR)
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Good God almighty... no.
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:31 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:32 PM (OmOvC)
If I was on the jury, I'm pretty sure a "temporary insanity" defense would sway me.
Posted by: DanInMN at June 29, 2017 02:32 PM (h5ffp)
Posted by: The Resistance at June 29, 2017 02:32 PM (J70i0)
Posted by: Hikaru at June 29, 2017 02:32 PM (XMDuf)
You know what caused this right?Trump's Tweets.<<<
He was bleeding badly from a purse-lift. I said No!
Posted by: Fritz at June 29, 2017 02:33 PM (2Mnv1)
like this one that showed the perp running away as fast as he could.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (0pcwX)
Now here's an interesting question: if you took the video, and
realized what happened, do you give the video to the cops or 86 it?
.
.
Most people do not like cops so they would most likely erase it unless there was reward money involved.
I live my life like I am under 24/7 video surveillance when I leave my house and I act accordingly.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:33 PM (0pcwX)
Posted by: stace
Hormones are a real thing.
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 29, 2017 02:33 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (3wfnv)
....
The thief has already valued his life for us.
If your life is worth more than a six pack, don't risk it stealing a six pack.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 02:33 PM (yL25O)
Fucking microsoft & the blue screen of death!
And at such an inopportune time!
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:33 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: Alec Rawls at June 29, 2017 02:33 PM (AphMS)
I disagree.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 29, 2017 02:34 PM (QQ+il)
***
I'd be a little concerned that this is another modern take on an ancient legend along these lines from this region.
But on general principle I say we level bomb Raqqa anyway.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:34 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:27 PM (eSx+E)
What amazes me is that there WERE guys there.... who basically did nothing to stop the perp...
So She had to....
Posted by: Don Q. at June 29, 2017 02:34 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (SRKgf)
I'd definitely shit-can it ... then trip the dude and ground guide the chic as she backed over him for good measure.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 29, 2017 02:34 PM (tRLIC)
Next day he comes back: dead guy fried on the coil springs. He's charged with murder.
But really, setting a trap to protect your property; nobody but the invader is to blame for triggering it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:35 PM (39g3+)
Uh ... I didn't see any state or government anywhere in the area for this whole episode. Did I miss something? Were there cops holding this guy down when she ran him over?
The state or government is not around when someone breaks into your house at 2am.
If you have the right, at all times, to use lethal force as a means of immediately redressing a crime against you (any crime, not just this one case of purse-snatching), we're basically living in a vae victis society.
You have the G-d-given right to defend yourself or your property and to inflict whatever damage on the offender that you want or deem necessary in that situation.
Why would you put restrictions on the actions of a free person while someone else is in the act or has just attacked or stolen from them?
Not saying that's necessarily wrong, but it's what many here seem to be arguing for. I'm just not on board with it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:24 PM (hcyUh)
We are arguing for common sense and what everyone knows is fair and just. The attacker or thief has chosen to put himself in that situation and to put an innocent person at risk of who knows what. That action by the criminal must carry with it risks. The criminal chose. The innocent victim had no choice and has no way of knowing how far it will all go. Deadly force for those crimes are just reasonable options that the victim deserves to have. Not that a victim should have to be worrying about whether he's going to go to jail with every move.
The restrictions that get placed on free people who are victims of others are quite insane, these days.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:35 PM (rZ+mb)
I was driving out of where I lived years ago, stopped at a corner, and a middle-aged blonde to whom the years had not been at all kind motioned me to roll down her window. Being naive I did. She asked if I'd like to get together later, for money.
I was briefly tempted to ask how much she was offering, but then I felt sorry for her, and just said No, thanks.
Posted by: JPS at June 29, 2017 02:35 PM (i0KM/)
Posted by: Bobby Hill at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (SpeiC)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:26 PM (zO1cf)
I honestly don't think it's a strawman, but i'll cop to being hyperbolic.
I do think it really is substantially the same though. To say that this woman's actions should be legal is equivalent to saying anyone may use lethal force at any time to redress a crime. If there is no theory of a dividing line between threat to life and threat to property, that's where we're at.
it doesn't change the fact that crime sucks and criminals deserve what they get when shit like this goes down. There's no tears in my beers for this jackass.
I feel the court of horde opinion is arraying against me now though, and i don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, so i'll get moving along now. Have a good day everyone.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (hcyUh)
Yeah, it is unsupported and its just the mother's word. On the other hand: IS has done horrific, unthinkable stuff in the past, so... plausible at least.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (39g3+)
Hey Joncelli at #350,
With all due respect (because I've been there): what is your limiting principle?
The reason why there is no requirement for state-hired police officers to risk their lives for the sake of law-abiding citizens is because there is no "LIMITING PRINCIPLE".
Otherwise they could be state-required to sacrifice their lives for any perceived (alleged) misdeed.
The same holds true for a law-abiding citizen regarding taking FORCIBLE action to protect themselves from FORCIBLE crime.
So long as no alternative means can be demonstratively proven as available, then a law-abiding citizen can use whatever means at his/her disposal to protect his/her interests against a law-violating criminal.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (Z2PYk)
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (kcQyA)
Posted by: Korean defending his property from his LA rooftop. at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (MdC1o)
Dear God I love Texas.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 02:30 PM (yL25O)
The fact is that Pareto's rule applies to crime as well: most of the crime comes from a small proportion of the population. I doubt that there are many one-off criminals.
It was a crime today, probably some other crime yesterday, almost certainly another one tomorrow. So when one of these clowns get whacked even in the commission of a minor crime it probably has a salutary effect on crime stats for years afterwards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:37 PM (zO1cf)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 29, 2017 02:37 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 29, 2017 02:37 PM (AM1GF)
I disagree.
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.Ask that Doctor in CT who murdered his neighbor because he thought the neighbor molested his young daughter. The neighbor never did anything and the DR. got 20 years hard time.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:37 PM (0pcwX)
It also looks like he's got his underwear sticking out of pants or maybe it's a diaper
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 29, 2017 02:37 PM (493sH)
Posted by: jwest at June 29, 2017 02:37 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (kcQyA)
Their job? Taking a report and filing it. Then off to Dunkin' Donuts.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:37 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
****
While I am saddened he did not die, the law doesn't care either way.
She used deadly force against a guy she was not in imminent threat of being killed by, or suffering severe bodily injury from.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 29, 2017 02:38 PM (uhftQ)
Yeah, I have nothing but respect and gratitude for police, and have known several who were all great guys. Its thankless work and you can't make a single mistake.
But their attitude of "let us take care of everything and just be a passive victim next time" does not set well with me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:38 PM (39g3+)
We usually call that a Dictatorship.
That's some weapons-grade stupid right there.
In an ideal Conservative world, we'd still have 1 President, 100 Senators, 535 Congressmen, and some arbitrary number of Supreme CJs. The Federal gov't would be defanged (less power for everyone), and the federal workforce (who are coming up with hundreds of new regulations that carry the force of law daily) would be hemimated at least.
That person is seriously arguing "less gov't" means no Senators or Congressmen or Supes? What a 'tard.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:38 PM (jhqr1)
The restrictions that get placed on free people who are victims of others are quite insane, these days.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
Close it up. Shut it down. We have an eloquent threadwinner.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: Don Q. at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (NgKpN)
Serpentine.
That's what boggled me about this video: he had infinite opportunities to duck between other cars or into a cart corral and she wouldn't be able to hit him. Instead he did exactly what was necessary to get hit.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (3J/LN)
Fucking microsoft & the blue screen of death!
And at such an inopportune time!
Posted by: rickb223
No, because the likelyhood of your willful destruction of evidence would be caught and your ass would be convicted.
Then again, your harddrives might suffer a case of neodymium magnets in your coffee mug that you forgot about.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (udajc)
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: KIM at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (/y/I/)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:39 PM (SRKgf)
Even in Texas you can't set deadly booby traps on your property.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:40 PM (zO1cf)
meth. not even once.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (zUYFs)
less-wholesome part of town kept being robbed, the perpetrators would
break in through a weak point in the roof, and rob the shop.
***
I remember that story as well.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (eSx+E)
Yeah, I have nothing but respect and gratitude for police, and have
known several who were all great guys. Its thankless work and you can't
make a single mistake.
But their attitude of "let us take care of everything and just be a passive victim next time" does not set well with me.
.
.
.When four cars in our neighborhood in Kentucky got egged one night the Cop taking our report told me that if I caught the kids to beat the $hit out of them before I called the Cops. My wife still can't believe he said that to us.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (0pcwX)
I'm not sure. There's a pretty broad sliding scale of the proper use of force, and a pregnant woman is given a huge amount of leeway. Plus: ID, address, phone, keys, etc. She has very good reason to be afraid of this guy coming back or misusing her information.
Stealing a wallet sucks, its lots of stuff like money and ID. A purse is like a woman's life stuffed into a bag. Its even more of a problem. A pregnant woman's purse?
Even if the law is going to say she went too far (by knocking him over and scratching him up), I can't imagine a jury on earth that would agree.
Even if you take some kind of high concept position of making a statement about vigilantism and the sacred value of life, this probably isn't the hill to die on.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (tVWQB)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:40 PM (zO1cf)
That's too bad ... because traps are AWESOME !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (tRLIC)
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (ppBhU)
You DON'T have the right to arrogate to yourself the roles of judge, jury and executioner.
I disagree.
I do as well. Where does the state get the authority to be judge, jury, and executioner? From us, who already have it. In the name of the Social Compact, we grant that authority, which we already have, to the State in the expectation that they will use it in a way that is beneficial to all of us.
When the State isn't around, and when there is no reasonable expectation that the State will be able to effectively carry out its duties, then those rights can and should be reasonably reclaimed by each of us. Now we need to be good Judges and not hanging Judges, and in this case this woman was - she didn't kill him, she just crimped his moves for a little while and put the fear of God and pregnant women into his soul. I concur with her judgment.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:42 PM (OmOvC)
The legal standard in almost the whole United States is roughly summed up as:
You may only use potentially lethal force when there is an immediate, otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.
I'm perfectly happy to consider rape as "grave bodily harm" and so does most of the USA. Slamming someone's head into a sidewalk repeatedly is danger of death.
Stealing a purse, not so much.
As I understand it she would have been justified in using "reasonable" force to apprehend him... for example tripping him and making him fall. Or asking a linebacker to tackle him. The video didn't play for me, but hitting with a car is going beyond reasonable force.
She might get a light sentence or a probation, but I don't see her skating untouched from this. Still, she might get a jury trial, and she's pregnant, so who knows.
But I won't be hitting anyone with my car unless one or more lives are at stake.
Posted by: mr_jack at June 29, 2017 02:42 PM (M59SC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:38 PM (39g3+)
________
Me either and I said so after my house was broken into.
Since then I have decided that I will defend my family, my property, and my way of life however I may choose depending upon what I have available at the time.
Warning, I'm old, so don't expect me to chase you very far before I slow you down.
Posted by: Korean defending his property from his LA rooftop. at June 29, 2017 02:42 PM (MdC1o)
I disagree.
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.
.Ask that Doctor in CT who murdered his neighbor because he thought the neighbor molested his young daughter. The neighbor never did anything and the DR. got 20 years hard time.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Goal posts on wheels.
We are talking about caught-in-the-act vs supposition.
Forget talking about "alleged" this and that when caught in the act.
The lady whose purse was stolen caught the perp IN THE ACT. There is no more proof possible than caught in the act.
Same as the "alleged" Hodgkinson.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (pGfNT)
For a federal crime? Probably. For local or state? Very unlikely. Its not illegal to delete files on your own phone or device. They'd have to push really hard to get that one past anyone in a jury.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:36 PM (SRKgf)
...
In fact, the particular case I remember, or at least the way I like to remember it, is that the perp walked in literally every day and stole the same thing, case of beer.
Clerk finally had it one day.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (mvenn)
--
What about bear traps? Are bear traps ok?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (hMwEB)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (zUYFs)
force, and a pregnant woman is given a huge amount of leeway. Plus:
ID, address, phone, keys, etc. She has very good reason to be afraid of
this guy coming back or misusing her information.
Stealing a wallet sucks, its lots of stuff like money and ID. A
purse is like a woman's life stuffed into a bag. Its even more of a
problem. A pregnant woman's purse?
Even if the law is going to say she went too far (by knocking him
over and scratching him up), I can't imagine a jury on earth that would
agree.
Even if you take some kind of high concept position of making a
statement about vigilantism and the sacred value of life, this probably
isn't the hill to die on.
.
.
.Fairly certain he did not get her keys or she would not be running him down with her SUV in the parking lot.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (0pcwX)
***
Not really equivalent.
This is more in line with the guy who found a scumbag molesting his daughter in Texas and beat the shit out of him. Should he have used force to stop the crime, or called the cops and waited?
Do you, or do you not, have the right to use force to stop a crime in progress?
This isn't a case where someone stole her purse and she later saw this guy and thought maybe it was him. She had him dead to rights....so to speak.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:44 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: JPS at June 29, 2017 02:35 PM (i0KM/)
I got caught at a stop where a "homeless" guy was asking for money. I had to motion to the lady behind him on her bike to go ahead and cross in front of me, to which "homeless" guy thought he was getting a score, until I could waive him off.
Awkward.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 29, 2017 02:44 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 29, 2017 02:44 PM (r+sAi)
I don't know -- not at that speed. She was only doing like 20.
Posted by: ace at June 29, 2017 02:44 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:40 PM (zO1cf)
Booby traps don't discriminate. A curious child might be the victim.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2017 02:44 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: ace at June 29, 2017 02:45 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:45 PM (mvenn)
She did it anyway. So be it. She should request a jury trial. If I am on the jury, I will hold out for innocence. I will hang the jury as long as necessary, until the kid starts preschool if needed.
Posted by: rd at June 29, 2017 02:45 PM (4dz1m)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:40 PM (zO1cf)
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then how do you catch the boobies?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 29, 2017 02:45 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: ace at June 29, 2017 02:45 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: JAS at June 29, 2017 02:45 PM (EX4Wr)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (MdC1o)
You should watch the video, because she didn't crush him under her wheels like Beetle Bailey. She knocked him down and stopped. She wasn't going fast enough to result in lethal force.
Cars are not an instant death machine that murders with a touch. Its a matter of degrees of force, not a switch on or off. If I hit you with the side of a gun, that's not an attempt at lethal force, even though I used a gun. Even the law has to have some logic and common sense applied.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:41 PM (0pcwX)
When I moved to my current little small town in Indiana ... I had to update my carry permit. Local PD told me ... and I quote ...
..."If you ever have to use this, you don't call 911. You call us. We'll make that shit right."
I swear on that. No bullshit.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (tRLIC)
Because he knew the "state" wouldn't do squat.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (RD7QR)
I disagree.
.
.
.Ask that Doctor in CT who murdered his neighbor because he thought
the neighbor molested his young daughter. The neighbor never did
anything and the DR. got 20 years hard time.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Goal posts on wheels.
We are talking about caught-in-the-act vs supposition.
Forget talking about "alleged" this and that when caught in the act.
The lady whose purse was stolen caught the perp IN THE ACT. There is no more proof possible than caught in the act.
Same as the "alleged" Hodgkinson.
.
.
.Nope sorry the goal posts did not budge an inch. The original question and response stand regardless if anyone was caught in the act:
You DON'T have the right to arrogate to yourself the roles of judge, jury and executioner.
I disagree.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (0pcwX)
=====
There are states now that have amended their laws, mostly in response to protesters attacking cars, that keeping going is not unreasonable even if someone is hit.
Couldn't see the video either, but if someone was taking video rather than helping the pregnant lady, some man cards need to be turned in.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (MIKMs)
--
What about bear traps? Are bear traps ok?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (hMwEB)
You could claim they were set for bears but they might doubt your story if they were located in the attic.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (zO1cf)
You will propose that she should have called the police. Entirely sensible.
The emergency responder may or may not have answered (not all calls are immediately answered )
The emergency responder may or may not have asked the caller to calmly describe the event in question.
The emergency responder may or may not have told the caller to calmly wait for the cops who will write a report that may or may not be tossed to a investigator.
The investigator may or may not decide that there is no imminent threat to the community and that while her loss is regretible, it's not a crime-stat, so fuck that shit.
Justice served.
Like cold shit on a warm sunday.
You are the 'first responder' in any situation whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:04 PM (udajc)
This, right here, is the #1 reason I find the term "first responder" grating. I can't remember who said it - I think it was a sheriff out of WI - but he stated the truth: "You are your own first responder."
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (kcQyA)
For a federal crime? Probably. For local or state? Very unlikely. Its not illegal to delete files on your own phone or device. They'd have to push really hard to get that one past anyone in a jury.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (39g3+)
This of course presupposes that the cops knew you had video. How could they know whether you did or didn't?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (SRKgf)
Or a fireman, or an EMT, or a concerned neighbor who heard you calling out for help.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (jhqr1)
force, and a pregnant woman is given a huge amount of leeway. Plus:
ID, address, phone, keys, etc. She has very good reason to be afraid of
this guy coming back or misusing her information.
This is a totally bullshit argument which I'm completely willing to buy into if needed.
Posted by: ace at June 29, 2017 02:47 PM (8rNrN)
no she didn't. the dude is not an immortal and he's still alive. she got awfully awfully physical with him though.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:47 PM (nFwvY)
reasonable expectation that the State will be able to effectively carry
out its duties, then those rights can and should be reasonably reclaimed
by each of us.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:42 PM (OmOvC)
This!
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:48 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 29, 2017 02:48 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: ace at June 29, 2017 02:48 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:48 PM (zO1cf)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:48 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: ace at June 29, 2017 02:48 PM (8rNrN)
***
Back in the old days, where the state didn't pretend citizens were all children, people were generally judged on the outcome of their actions.
Negligently kill a fireman? That's a hang'n.
Kill a thief instead? Here's a high five from your neighbors.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (hMwEB)
Posted by: The Jackhole at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (M+Lyo)
--
What about bear traps? Are bear traps ok?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 29, 2017 02:43 PM (hMwEB)
You could claim they were set for bears but they might doubt your story if they were located in the attic.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:46 PM (zO1cf)
...
What if you bait it specifically for hobos?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (Nwg0u)
Yep. Even if witnesses saw you holding your phone up as if you were recording, you could just say, "In all the excitement I thought I was recording, but I must have missed the record button. Sorry."
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (jhqr1)
Negligently kill a fireman? That's a hang'n.
Kill a thief instead? Here's a high five from your neighbors.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (eSx+E)
Exactly.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33
No!
I claim that phrase! It's fucking mine.
* mutters to self loudly for the next nine minutes ...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (udajc)
Why didn't she just knock the purse out his hand with the car like they do on tv?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: KIM at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (/y/I/)
Not the same since the thief was *committing a crime* by running away with her purse. Physically stopped while *in Commission* of the crime is nothing like some guy being paranoid and simply deciding his neighbor was a molester.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (rp9xB)
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (yL25O)
Use Sterno. Works every time.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: KIM at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (/y/I/)
Posted by: JAS at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (EX4Wr)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:40 PM (zO1cf)
I believe my fougasse installations are legal in Alabama.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (QQ+il)
Posted by: KIM at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (/y/I/)
_______
Deceptively edited?
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: huerfano at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (TO4Og)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Max Power at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (OmOvC)
Posted by: ace
YEP
And the convictions of cops for doing that?
............
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (udajc)
These days you don't necessarily need your keys to open or start your car. But a lot of people have different sets: home and car, or duplicates.
You're right though, likely he didn't get her keys. She must have had them out, getting into the rig when he grabbed her purse and ran.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: ace at June 29, 2017 02:47 PM (8rNrN)
Heh. Yep.
And that's why we get to insist on a jury of our peers. Because sometimes our peers might say "stick your law up your ass".
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (tRLIC)
Posted by: Jack Sock
Hey, I've seen video of a bear open a closed car door. Just slipped its enormous claws under the pull handle and pulled. I wouldn't doubt a bear's ability to get into an attic.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: California Girl at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (Pt5D1)
Posted by: chavo del ocho at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (BZtGk)
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (hMwEB)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:50 PM (0mRoj)
You might mistakenly snag Kitty Dukakis.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: ace
YEP
And the convictions of cops for doing that?
............
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (udajc)
They're effectively held to a lower standard than the rest of us.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (0mRoj)
Why didn't she just knock the purse out his hand with the car like they do on tv?
Posted by: JackStraw
501 "Unreasonable force. Why didn't she just drive up alongside him and snatch the purse from his hands?" /MFM
Posted by: Muldoon
******
This much, JackStraw! =><=
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:54 PM (mvenn)
She is not sane.
Posted by: Max Power at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (q177U)
YOU TOOK THE LAST SHOPPING CART! I KEEL YOU!
Posted by: That Pregnant Chick at the Stop 'N Shop at June 29, 2017 02:54 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:55 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 02:55 PM (udajc)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 29, 2017 02:55 PM (/tuJf)
She is not sane.
Posted by: Max Power at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (q177U)
YOU TOOK THE LAST SHOPPING CART! I KEEL YOU!
Posted by: That Pregnant Chick at the Stop 'N Shop at June 29, 2017 02:54 PM (RD7QR)
That's pretty typical on Black Friday.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:56 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:56 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 29, 2017 02:56 PM (oVJmc)
However, he didn't know that two of my sons were on their way out (25, wrestler, lax, football) and 22 (ironman football, lax). He kept trying to get behind me. As the boys approached the car, I said, "Hey, this guy is bothering me." Creep jumped out of his skin, boys started toward him, asking him if they "could help him." Eventually, they suggested he lie face down on the pavement until the cops they called got there.
Which taught me two things, I need to carry regardless and two never park on the fringe.
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 02:56 PM (wQp4D)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:55 PM (mvenn)
LOL.
But in our court system not impossible.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:56 PM (rZ+mb)
These days you don't necessarily need your keys to open or start
your car. But a lot of people have different sets: home and car, or
duplicates.
You're right though, likely he didn't get her keys. She must have
had them out, getting into the rig when he grabbed her purse and ran.
.
.
.It does appear to be an older SUV from the video. In my 2016 Tacoma if the key fob gets more than 5 feet from the ignition sensor it pretty much locks up and can't be driven and it starts beeping.......key fob not detected....key fob not detected. It is really annoying at the boat ramp.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 29, 2017 02:56 PM (0pcwX)
For those who simply don't _yet_ understand:
This person (in this case a pregnant woman) had the right to FORCIBLY defend her valuables against a FORCIBLE thief. As soon as the thief crossed that threshold with a malicious eye for stealing her goods: he put himself in danger of being subject to whatever reasonable means were available to bring his criminality to a halt. Period.
If someone says something to the effect of "Oh, that's just too horrible. Someone ought not lose their life simply because he's a thief" : the answer is two fold.
First off, the thief created this ACTIVE situation. (It's not the same as the thief being hunted down later.) Secondly, the thief himself is FORCIBLE. - That is, it is only reasonable that the thief using FORCE to steal from someone else would use whatever means necessary to accomplish his felonious thievery. Simply put, the thief should be reasonably presumed to be dangerous.
And third, finally, if it is okay to use FORCE to stop the thief, the only reasonable limitation would be one of immediate and OBVIOUS availability.
- After all, the FORCIBLE thief is the one who CREATED this mortally dangerous situation to others and to HIMSELF.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at June 29, 2017 02:57 PM (Z2PYk)
Anything under $1000 that doesn't involve B&E or a physical assault is now effectively a ticket for which the perp will never appear.
If you leave your car unlocked, if you leave something in your yard, that bike on the rack on the car, it's all good.
Thank you voters of California for props 47 and 57.
Posted by: JEM at June 29, 2017 02:57 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:57 PM (EgOr3)
And in some jurisdictions they'll ignore the B&E part. Not in our town, so far, fortunately.
Posted by: JEM at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (0mRoj)
And that's the problem. Citizens should not be held to higher standards than the police.
Here is what should happen. She should go to court. Did she hurt anyone besides the criminal? No
Did she act recklessly and could have injured an innocent bystander? Yes
Did she act maliciously in stopping the criminal (repeatedly run over him, etc.)? No
So she gets some reckless driving offense and that's it. In my opinion fleeing criminal is fair game.
Posted by: The Resistance at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (J70i0)
Posted by: That Pregnant Chick at the Stop 'N Shop
It can't keel.
Please surrender your cart.
Posted by: not Doug Marcaida at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (udajc)
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (tRLIC)
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (wQp4D)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 02:53 PM (rZ+mb)
______
Kitty's a hobo? oh my...
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (MdC1o)
--
What about bear traps? Are bear traps ok?
Posted by: @votermom
*****
You have a problem with hairy, gay, men wandering onto your property?
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 29, 2017 02:59 PM (+aCe4)
Posted by: KIM at June 29, 2017 02:59 PM (/y/I/)
She is not sane.
Posted by: Max Power at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (q177U)
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I thought what she did was very sane.
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 03:00 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 02:57 PM (EgOr3)
Thanks Peaches. It was sorta amusing for me. I knew they were on their way out so I didn't even get an elevated heart rate. Sorta, "heh, he's gonna be surprised."
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 03:00 PM (wQp4D)
a physical assault is now effectively a ticket for which the perp will
never appear.
If you leave your car unlocked, if you leave something in your yard, that bike on the rack on the car, it's all good.
Thank you voters of California for props 47 and 57.
Posted by: JEM at June 29, 2017 02:57 PM (TppKb)
Yup. And then they're all on the nextdoor dot com bitching and moaning about all the thievery and vandalism. I try to remind them that they voted for it. They think security cameras are the answer. Because most criminals will pose for them on the way into your house.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 03:00 PM (EgOr3)
Honestly officer, I don't know how a half dozen deadly rattlesnakes made it into the foyer and bit that perpetrator.
Posted by: Fritz at June 29, 2017 03:01 PM (2Mnv1)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (MdC1o)
No ... but she couldn't keep herself away from any alcohol alternatives in a pinch. They had to keep the rubbing alcohol locked up in her house.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 03:01 PM (rZ+mb)
http://tinyurl.com/ya3km5t6
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 03:01 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (wQp4D)
He's lucky he didn't get run down in the parking lot.
Playing with fire, gentlemen. Playing with fire.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 29, 2017 03:02 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 03:01 PM (rZ+mb)
_______
damn, that's hard core..
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 03:02 PM (MdC1o)
Yep. Even if witnesses saw you holding your phone up as if you were recording, you could just say,
"In all the excitement I thought I was recording, but I must have missed the record button. Sorry."
Posted by: bonhomme at June 29, 2017 02:49 PM (jhqr1)
Done that even when it wasn't an excitable moment.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 03:03 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 02:40 PM (zO1cf)
I believe my fougasse installations are legal in Alabama.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 29, 2017 02:51 PM (QQ+il)
A bread booby trap? How does that work?
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 03:03 PM (zO1cf)
Since he had no qualms about victimizing someone he judged to be much weaker than him, I can't get too wound up about the fact that his victim turned the tables on him.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampsersands at the present time) at June 29, 2017 03:03 PM (ZM2xo)
Posted by: regular joe at June 29, 2017 03:03 PM (O50yS)
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 03:04 PM (wQp4D)
She says electroshock therapy saved her life acording to Wikipedia.
Maybe we should put her in as President with John McCain as her Vice President. Bipartisan.
Posted by: Mudd at June 29, 2017 03:05 PM (cfHE9)
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 02:56 PM (wQp4D)
Yep, never park on the fringe. Back in mid 90's was sitting in car while wife was grocery shopping. Saw car with two black utes pull up beside an SUV at fringe of lot. Door beside SUV opened and kept watching one guy leaning in and out. Suddenly saw a crowbar. Got out of car tried to stop a family to get them to go inside and call the cops. They were Asian and barely spoke English. So, I started running at the guys and shouted at them. They took off.
Got the license plate and gave it to the cops when they showed up. The couple who had just purchased the vehicle showed up. Guy just looked stunned at his missing door lock and wife gave me a hug.
Posted by: The Resistance at June 29, 2017 03:05 PM (J70i0)
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 03:06 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 02:55 PM (mvenn)
LOL.
But in our court system not impossible.
-
Didja see Michael "Gentle Giant" Brown's mom made off with $1.5 mil?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 03:06 PM (Nwg0u)
Oh man, those taxpayers in SF must just not give a crap about their tax dollars:
http://tinyurl.com/ya7abr6o
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 29, 2017 03:07 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 29, 2017 03:07 PM (rPBK6)
In California, the social situation is approaching the same point that pre-revolutionary France reached: A society dominated by clueless, wealthy, twits, who insulate themselves from all of the consequences of their decisions, but who continue to dictate how everyone else should live.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 03:08 PM (OmOvC)
http://tinyurl.com/7d3rwk8
Posted by: gNewt at June 29, 2017 03:09 PM (3wfnv)
She didn't back up and drive over him a second time. That was incredibly sensible. Showed a lot of self restraint.
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 03:09 PM (wQp4D)
Shame she didn't love him *before* he was dead. As a mom I feel sick at the attitude that a child is only worthwhile for producing Welfare when young and "wrongful" death payouts when older.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 03:09 PM (rp9xB)
Posted by: Corona at June 29, 2017 03:09 PM (/GAGc)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy
I'll take "MISSING THE POINT ON PURPOSE," for $8,000,000,000, Alex.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2017 03:10 PM (udajc)
Posted by: John Marston at June 29, 2017 03:10 PM (SkuXa)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 29, 2017 03:10 PM (dZ756)
That's a great video. I like that he got up and went into the pub for a pint.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 29, 2017 03:11 PM (QQ+il)
1. Always wear a shirt
2. Brush your teeth (so you still have them)
3. Never wear your pants below your ass
Do these things and you will stay out of jail.
Posted by: 99Problems at June 29, 2017 03:11 PM (zWaPh)
1. Always wear a shirt
2. Brush your teeth (so you still have them)
3. Never wear your pants below your ass
Do these things and you will stay out of jail.
*****
I was told there should be no meth.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:12 PM (mvenn)
In many ways, this is the story of Obama.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 29, 2017 01:32 PM
I concur.
Posted by: Corona at June 29, 2017 03:12 PM (/GAGc)
And will be broke again within a couple months.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2017 03:12 PM (r5KeJ)
Take back the language. Caught in the fucking act is NOT accused, alleged, or any other mealy mouth bull shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 03:12 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 03:06 PM (EgOr3)
Yep, laws concerning property and liability for the owners have gone totally insane in most of the states. I'm sure it all started with some small, reasonable sounding cases ... after which it all morphed into an insane monster where, basically, property owners are liable for everything and criminals violating those properties are liable for nothing and entitled to a bevy of prizes for breaking the law. Also, the slip and fall cases have gotten totally insane along with the criminal cases.
As with so many things, the courts and their detachment from reality have led to asinine laws and unreasonable judgments. Eventually this will all come to an end ... because it must.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 03:12 PM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 29, 2017 03:13 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 03:06 PM (Nwg0u)
----------------------------
Talk about injustice.
That absolutely infuriates me.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 29, 2017 03:13 PM (0jtPF)
Sister texts me "FYI, I'm in a cath lab." over 2 hours ago.
I respond like anybody else might. "What? Where, how are you?" right away.
Just now I get , "yea, 100% blockage, been defibbed twice, I'm good."
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 03:13 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: 99Problems at June 29, 2017 03:13 PM (zWaPh)
Posted by: IrishEi at June 29, 2017 03:14 PM (HiDrR)
Posted by: willow at June 29, 2017 03:14 PM (v12G8)
Posted by: Simplemind at June 29, 2017 03:14 PM (vvEDl)
You shoot at somebody and miss it is attempted homicide - you hit them - the proper charge is assault. She didn't miss - correct charge.
Posted by: An Observation at June 29, 2017 03:15 PM (T2qzP)
That absolutely infuriates me.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 29, 2017 03:13 PM (0jtPF)
should have had to split it with the store clerk.
Posted by: willow at June 29, 2017 03:15 PM (v12G8)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 03:13 PM (MdC1o)
Uhm, wow. Is she generally that mellow or are they giving her some quality pharmaceuticals?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 29, 2017 03:15 PM (rp9xB)
There were comments about traps. Just saying Byron Smith might be a cautionary tale.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 29, 2017 03:16 PM (rPBK6)
She didn't back up and drive over him a second time. That was incredibly sensible. Showed a lot of self restraint.
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 03:09 PM (wQp4D)
Jeez. No wonder John was hesitant about letting you into Galt's Gulch.
Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2017 03:16 PM (Fmupd)
Does that make me a bad person?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:16 PM (31vnC)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 29, 2017 03:16 PM (XWkhW)
-
Didja see Michael "Gentle Giant" Brown's mom made off with $1.5 mil?
The insurance company made the settlement, undoubtedly just to wash their hands of the whole matter. But the result is that it only feeds the attitude of cashing in on an opportunity, which then guarantees that another insurance company will pay off in the future, and so on and so on and so on.
So the third party insurance company, just to rid itself of a nuisance, fosters a problem for itself and society. If the problem stayed with the primary parties, there would be a lot less likelihood of settling claims with undeserving plaintiffs.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 29, 2017 03:16 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: IrishEi at June 29, 2017 03:14 PM (HiDrR)
And looters are supposed to be shot on sight ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2017 03:17 PM (rZ+mb)
If man had run over topless woman who had stolen his wallet?
Posted by: Simplemind at June 29, 2017 03:14 PM (vvEDl)
Next time, pay your escort.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 29, 2017 03:17 PM (tbOMB)
let's not go there. tis a silly place.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 29, 2017 03:17 PM (zUYFs)
Posted by: Simplemind at June 29, 2017 03:14 PM (vvEDl)
Next time, pay your escort.
Posted by: flounder
Yeah. Dude would be guilty for starting the whole chain of events.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 03:18 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 03:18 PM (MdC1o)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 02:52 PM (OmOvC)
So you're saying everything the kid did in the movie Home Alone was illegal? Who knew?
Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at June 29, 2017 03:18 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (31vnC)
It's weird how different women handle pregnancy. My sister was utterly miserable. But I have a friend who had 6 kids and she felt and looked great during pregnancy. Just got the little baby bump like she had swallowed a basketball, her skin and hair looked terrific, she had tons of energy, felt more cheerful and upbeat than usual and her labors were short.
She told me she would not have had 6 if she had been as uncomfortable during pregnancy as most women's are. Some of her friends, who suffered much more than she did, resented her for treating pregnancy like a breeze.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampsersands at the present time) at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (ZM2xo)
Er, not that I condone this behavior, mind you.
Posted by: Fritz at June 29, 2017 02:23 PM (2Mnv1)
...........
That was just her slamming it in 4WD.
Posted by: wth at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: JB1000 at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (16OL0)
who knew?!
Posted by: aethelraed the unready at June 29, 2017 03:20 PM (zUYFs)
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 03:13 PM (MdC1o)
Dammit, IP! Don't they have to put in one of those stents or do the reaming thing? Hope she's near by and you can get on over to her.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 03:20 PM (EgOr3)
My sister is a tough chic, but dammit anyway,
Posted by: IP at June 29, 2017 03:18 PM (MdC1o)
--------
I'm hoping for the best for her, IP. Let us know.
Posted by: bluebell ~ The Joy of Cooking, Moron Edition at June 29, 2017 03:20 PM (sBOL1)
Heh.
Yes, pregnancy hormones are intense.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2017 03:20 PM (NOIQH)
That was just her slamming it in 4WD.
Posted by: wth at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (HgMAr)
Ya gotta climb right up on that perp.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:20 PM (31vnC)
Posted by: John Marston at June 29, 2017 03:21 PM (SkuXa)
Depends on the charge, really.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, still a Tigers fan at June 29, 2017 03:21 PM (1aMQH)
Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2017 03:21 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:21 PM (31vnC)
death penalty.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 03:22 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: JB1000 at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (16OL0)
Carrying birth control when you're 5 months preggers?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampsersands at the present time) at June 29, 2017 03:22 PM (ZM2xo)
Wait for it...
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:22 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 29, 2017 03:22 PM (QM5S2)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:22 PM (31vnC)
Depends on the charge, really.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, still a Tigers fan at June 29, 2017 03:21 PM (1aMQH)
Were the injuries terminal?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 03:22 PM (yL25O)
Depends on the charge, really.
That is a shockingly bad pun.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 03:23 PM (pGfNT)
Yes, pregnancy hormones are intense.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2017 03:20 PM (NOIQH)
Indeed they are. My pregnancy was pretty great except for the crying bouts. And screaming at my husband. And then crying again.
Posted by: IC at June 29, 2017 03:23 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampsersands at the present time) at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (ZM2xo)
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Well that's just mean of them. It's not like she could control their pregnancies! Did they want her to pretend to suffer?
My pregnancies were no easier but no harder than most, but I would never begrudge anyone who had an easier time than I did.
Posted by: bluebell ~ The Joy of Cooking, Moron Edition at June 29, 2017 03:23 PM (sBOL1)
Depends on the charge, really.
******
Are you positive?
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:23 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 03:24 PM (pGfNT)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 29, 2017 03:24 PM (ARzf8)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 29, 2017 03:24 PM (oVJmc)
who knew?!
Posted by: aethelraed the unready at June 29, 2017 03:20 PM (zUYFs)
Not a nuisance but an exposure to a jury award much larger and at least that much in defense costs. It's a business decision and I agree that when I'm forced to pay something over my objections instead of going to trial it aggravates me. I would have brought this one to trial . The cost would have been a wash though if the defendants prevailed.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 03:24 PM (zO1cf)
Depends on the charge, really.
******
Could go either way. AC/DC.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:25 PM (31vnC)
601 "If you throw a D-cell at them and hit them, is it assault or battery?"
Depends on the charge, really.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, still a Tigers fan at June 29, 2017 03:21 PM (1aMQH)
Criminal justice has never been the same since the adoption of Ohm's Law.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 29, 2017 03:25 PM (XWkhW)
Depends on the charge, really.
That is a shockingly bad pun.
Thought for sure you guys wouldn't be that quick on the draw for battery puns.
I guess the horde is ever ready.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 29, 2017 03:25 PM (Q6Lfj)
She doesn't want twins?
Posted by: rickb223
****
Snort!
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:25 PM (mvenn)
Depends on the charge, really.
******
Are you positive?
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:23 PM (mvenn)
...
In these cases they generally throw you into a closed cell.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 29, 2017 03:25 PM (yL25O)
Some of her friends, who suffered much more than she did, resented her for treating pregnancy like a breeze.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampsersands at the present time) at June 29, 2017 03:19 PM (ZM2xo)
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Despicable to resent someone like that! They sound like the kind of people who would buy into that whole "vote for me because I'm a woman" canard that Cankles was constantly screeching about.
Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2017 03:26 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2017 03:26 PM (pGfNT)
Depends on the charge, really.
******
Are you positive?
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:23 PM (mvenn)
...
In these cases they generally throw you into a closed cell.
Posted by: TexasDan
Give them the electric chair
Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2017 03:26 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 29, 2017 03:24 PM (ARzf
And it says 'Paul is dead.'
*only old timers would get it*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:27 PM (31vnC)
*only old timers would get it*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:27 PM (31vnC)
---------
Who you calling old, bucko?
Posted by: bluebell ~ The Joy of Cooking, Moron Edition at June 29, 2017 03:27 PM (sBOL1)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 03:27 PM (Nwg0u)
Wait for it...
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:22 PM (mvenn)
I think something was lost in the transmission.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at June 29, 2017 03:28 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 29, 2017 03:28 PM (Nwg0u)
*only old timers would get it*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:27 PM (31vnC)
---------
Who you calling old, bucko?
Posted by: bluebell ~ The Joy of Cooking, Moron Edition at June 29, 2017 03:27 PM (sBOL1)
..and former pot heads. Lol.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:28 PM (31vnC)
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 02:58 PM (wQp4D)
Yeah, part of what happens is you become even more protective of loved ones. It's a good kind of insanity as long as it's not taken too far. When my kid was a newborn, i finally became assertive to asshole panhandlers or anyone else who looked like a potential threat. This was long overdue.
I don't like parking lots anyway--I was attacked in one decades ago. When a stranger approaches you in a parking lot, only rarely is it for innocent purposes.
Posted by: stace at June 29, 2017 03:29 PM (pb2K/)
..and former pot heads. Lol.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:28 PM (31vnC)
------
Well, I guess I have to go with old, then.
Posted by: bluebell ~ The Joy of Cooking, Moron Edition at June 29, 2017 03:29 PM (sBOL1)
Posted by: JEM at June 29, 2017 03:30 PM (TppKb)
http://tinyurl.com/ya7abr6o
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 29, 2017 03:07 PM (r+sAi)
..........
Maybe they should rename SF to... Pelosi Town.
Posted by: wth at June 29, 2017 03:31 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Lamech le Proud at June 29, 2017 03:31 PM (m9X4Y)
In many ways, this is the story of Obama.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 29, 2017 03:32 PM (dSzXU)
Posted by: bluebell ~ The Joy of Cooking, Moron Edition at June 29, 2017 03:29 PM (sBOL1)
Lets say 'mature' shall we? And wise, yeah...wise.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 29, 2017 03:33 PM (31vnC)
Historical fact of the day: George Washington never insulted anyone on Twitter."
You know who else never insulted anyone on Twitter???
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2017 03:34 PM (OmOvC)
Depends on the charge, really.
******
Are you positive?
Posted by: Muldoon at June 29, 2017 03:23 PM (mvenn)
...
In these cases they generally throw you into a closed cell.
Posted by: TexasDan
Give them the electric chair
This "joke" is going to keep on going, and going, and going...
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 29, 2017 03:36 PM (dSzXU)
I may be wrong, but in Texas I believe it does - depending on the amount of money involved in the theft. There was a case of a neighbor down here who saw thieves running from the house next door to his. Gunned them down - not guilty, and in accordance with the law; his lawyer pointed out that section of the law to the jury.
In Texas - moreover - any citizen may use deadly force to stop the commission of a felony.
Posted by: An Observation at June 29, 2017 03:36 PM (T2qzP)
--And if her phone is in her purse?
--Or her asthma meds?
--Or anything else she needs to get home in one piece?
Nope. Unless they prove she hallucinated the whole thing, this potential juror is nullified. Stealing my purse should be a known potential suicide move.
Posted by: delayna at June 29, 2017 03:39 PM (KNFU5)
It was the necessary force needed to affect the arrest*. I've seen cops do this, stop a guy running by hitting them with their cop cars. Safer for the cop. Doesn't have to risk himself wrestling with a potentially dangerous suspect.
*Fine. Citizens arrest. Same thing.
Posted by: Taco Shack at June 29, 2017 03:40 PM (C+qQ0)
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 29, 2017 03:40 PM (zO1cf)
Posted by: Abby at June 29, 2017 03:48 PM (HBU7W)
Hah! I've got thirty years on that dude, and I run faster than that when the drier beeps.
Posted by: delayna at June 29, 2017 03:59 PM (KNFU5)
Posted by: Mx4 at June 29, 2017 04:00 PM (gw4X+)
Q: if she does, can they charge scumbag with 1st degree homicide (death occurring because of felony he committed)?
Posted by: delayna at June 29, 2017 04:02 PM (KNFU5)
Oh, I felt great. Never felt better in my life than when I was pregnant. But it "doubled" my already assertive personality, if that makes sense. Also every body need and function doubled too. But I felt awesome, like superwoman. Little sinusy toward the end, but that's about it.
Oh, and the last one was at 40.
Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2017 04:04 PM (wQp4D)
I know I'd be pissed off as all hell if this woman crashed into my car while chasing this prick. I'd probably sue her ass off for it. But if I came out of the store, saw all this shit go down, and then ran over and straight up murdered her then and there for smashing my car, I'd be a monster.
How would that be substantially different than her attempting to kill this guy for snatching her purse? "If I didn't kill him, he might have gotten away with it without punishment!"
She was goaded into it, put into a panic/crisis situation, sure. I doubt the actual thought "I'm going to end this guy's life right here and now" was actually in her mind. But she's a rational adult (haha, pregnant, hormones, ok, whatever) who is responsible for her actions.
Is the majority consensus here honestly arguing that murder is an acceptable response to this situation? Or is it just the emotional joy of seeing some prick get what he deserves right on the spot?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 29, 2017 04:40 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: hoodaticus at June 29, 2017 04:52 PM (vitRc)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 29, 2017 01:24 PM (zZWkn)
I wouldn't vote for conviction.
Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2017 04:58 PM (SrkNc)
Posted by: gobagoo at June 29, 2017 07:04 PM (A/saJ)
Why you should never avoid jury duty? You might get to acquit her using our greatest power as an individual citizen, jury nullification.
Posted by: Joe Mack at June 29, 2017 09:05 PM (QX0Xt)
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Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)