Saturday Evening Movie Thread 06-17-2017 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

Historical Nitpicks

We've talked about adaptations of fiction so far, but I want to take this third thread on movies based on history. Now, I see this falling into two categories: Historical Fiction and History. One should receive a lot more leeway than the other in terms of keeping to historical fact.

Before we continue, though, I should clarify how I see history and movies: I don't believe much of what I see in movies in terms of real history. If I want to learn history, I'll read a book. It's hard enough to trust well-researched scholarly material on events that happened hundreds, even thousands of years ago. My trust level for history in movies is pretty low to start.

Historical Fiction

The idea behind historical fiction is to tell make believe stories in a real world environment in the past. Books and movies like Gone with the Wind, I, Claudius, and The Girl with a Pearl Earring are all examples of either creating fictional people and placing them in real context, or fictionalizing accounts of real people. None of these are presented as fact or history, but as entertainment first and foremost.

They use real people and real places to tell interesting stories. Departure from literal historical fact in such works is often excusable specifically because of that. I would even classify something fantastical like Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norell as historical fiction despite it being about magic in the Napoleonic Wars.

A movie example would be Kingdom of Heaven. Many of the characters were real people along with the battles and places, but the characters usually have little to do with the real people (Guy de Lusignan was apparently a fairly good king who ruled for a few years, not a terrible king who ruled for a few weeks), but since the movie is historical fiction, there's less of a need to be bound by those facts in the need to tell a story.

The Seventh Seal is another example. Knights, even those returning from the Crusades, probably wouldn't have had the deep existential crisis that the knight has in the movie. It's Ingmar Bergman working through his modern questions in historical garb. The fact that knights wouldn't ask those questions (most likely) doesn't diminish the film's greatness.

History

This is what I really wanted to talk about.

The point about movies that purport to deal straight with history isn't with the main characters, or even the major events, but the smaller details.

As I've said before, I don't go to the movies to learn about history. If I want to learn about history, I'll crack open a book, but when a movie makes an effort to deal with real history and gets certain small details wrong, it gets to me. I don't mean the anachronisms of a flint lock rifle appearing in a movie set 20 years before flint locks were even invented (although I could imagine that as getting annoying to someone with historical knowledge of guns), but changes to history that end up maligning real people. The example I have in mind is in the movie Lincoln.

I really like Lincoln. It's far from Steven Spielberg's best movie, but it's surprisingly engaging for a dramatic retelling of the passage of the 13th Amendment. It obviously doesn't get everything right, but it seems to capture Abraham Lincoln's mannerisms with about as much precision as possible. It's when the votes in the House of Representatives are called for, though, that the change in history goes from acceptable to unacceptable. They changed who voted for and who voted against the Amendment.

In the movie, 2 of Connecticut's 4 Representatives vote against the Amendment while, in real life, all 4 voted for it.

Now, I know that I'm not holding a consistent standard here. I should shrug it off, say "dramatic license" and "I don't go to movies for history", and move on, but I can't in this instance, and it's actually for something outside of the movie (breaking another rule of my own, am I?). Tony Kushner maligned 2 men, who very likely felt incredible pressure to vote against the Amendment, as voting against it. I'm not from Connecticut, and I've never been to Connecticut. I have no ties to the state, but this just feels like a departure from history that should not have happened.

Kushner explains it as an effort to build suspense. But if you go back to look at the scene, I don't think the explanation works. Connecticut is the first state to be called (which isn't how it happened, but whatever), and 2 men vote no. It's the very opening of the scene. As the scene progresses, we only see about twenty votes cast out of just under two hundred. The drama of the moment is actually pretty artificial because we don't know the totals, and we're following along with Mary Todd Lincoln in the gallery (who wasn't actually there) as she writes how many more votes are required to win. In some ways the scene is the centerpiece of the movie but also one of its least effective moments due to the affectation of the tension. All in which to say: Changing the vote totals was unnecessary and the excuse is bogus.

Still…

I still give wide berth to artists to make whatever stories they want. They can mangle history all they want for all I care as long as the story is good. To go on a quick final tangent, let me bring up the movie Gladiator.

I was fifteen when this movie came out and I loved it. As the years have gone by, I've grown much less fond of the film despite being a Ridley Scott fanboi (yes,…I do genuinely love Prometheus). I find it self-serious to a fault, slow, and a little stilted. My dad, though, has never liked the movie, and he's always attributed his dislike to the movie's lack of historical accuracy. For example, "Commodus didn't die like that," or "No Spaniard would ever become a general in the Roman army" (I've no idea if that's actually true or not…I have the feeling that he may have bene reaching). As my opinion of the movie has cooled over the years, his has remained solidly against the film. Finally, I said to him, "Gladiator has a lot of problems, its inability to get history right is the least of them."

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
Cars 3
Rough Night
All Eyez on Me

Next in my Netflix Queue:
Bed and Board

Movies I Saw This Week:
Last Year at Marienbad (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2/4) Poster Blurb: "Neither love nor hate. Being lukewarm I spit you out."

Stolen Kisses (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) "Remarkably sweet and funny."

Alien [Rewatch] (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) "The best haunted house movie ever."

Aliens [Rewatch] (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) "Possibly the perfect sequel to an already great movie."

Alien 3 [Theatrical Cut] (Netflix Rating 2/5 | Quality Rating 1.5/4) "Compromised from beginning to end with a meanderingly pointless first half."

Alien 3 [Assembly Cut] [Rewatch] (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2/4) "Doesn't fix any of the problems with the original cut, but it does draw out its themes and side characters a little better."

Contact

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Posted by: OregonMuse at 07:33 PM

Comments

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1 Ah, jeez, movies.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 07:33 PM (EgOr3)

2 Speaking of historical fiction, Turn's final season starts in a little over an hour.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:34 PM (GsAUU)

3 I, Claudius?

https://youtu.be/gB85ihLcxMo

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:35 PM (GsAUU)

4 Speaking of historical fiction, Turn's final season starts in a little over an hour.
Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:34 PM (GsAUU)

Season 4?

I still have to get caught up on season 3.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 07:36 PM (Ybs+3)

5 Birth of a Nation, now there's a historical movie for the ages!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 17, 2017 07:37 PM (gwPgz)

6 Just took my boys to see Captain Underpants. Would that be History or Historical Fiction?

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 17, 2017 07:37 PM (3JQ/p)

7 Looking forward to Lego Batman Movie coming to Redbox.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:38 PM (GsAUU)

8 In the "Alien" sequence, anything past the second movie is a complete waste.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 07:39 PM (Ybs+3)

9 4 Speaking of historical fiction, Turn's final season starts in a little over an hour.
Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:34 PM (GsAUU)

Season 4?

I still have to get caught up on season 3.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 07:36 PM (Ybs+3)

--Not as good as the first two, but good enough to get me to see it through.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:39 PM (GsAUU)

10 The Great Escape is one of my favorite movies. My one historical is that the cast is British and American but think the historical event occurred before the U.S. entered the war. The prisoners were Brits and Canucks back when Canadians knew how to fight.
I might be wrong. And it doesn't limit my enjoyment.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 17, 2017 07:40 PM (eAMlh)

11 6 Just took my boys to see Captain Underpants. Would that be History or Historical Fiction?

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 17, 2017 07:37 PM (3JQ/p)

Documentary?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 07:40 PM (Ybs+3)

12 6
Just took my boys to see Captain Underpants. Would that be History or Historical Fiction?

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 17, 2017 07:37 PM (3JQ/p)
Wait . . . they're already released a documentary about Fredo's regime?

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 07:41 PM (EgOr3)

13 JFK is one of the most entertaining historical movies ever made.

If you don't agree with me then you are obviously a soy milk drinking tranny.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 07:41 PM (2qHjF)

14 Wonder Woman: LAME. Best I can tell it was Mary Sue's fight to make the Western Front safe for the Versailles Treaty.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 07:41 PM (6FqZa)

15 8 In the "Alien" sequence, anything past the second movie is a complete waste.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 07:39 PM (Ybs+3)
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Did you know that Ridley has stomped on Blomenkamp's proposed sequel to "Aliens"? Well, it's not that his tiny jackboot has been place on Neill's neck, he merely announced that it's not happening. This is after asking that the sequel be postponed for "Prometheus", then for "Covenant"...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 07:42 PM (QGoUX)

16 I have had a pet peeve about Historic based movies. The flash back love story.

Nearly every one of these has added nothing to the main story that could not have been done by reading a letter from home.

In fact you could make two movies out of this one from the POV of the soldiers and the other from the families they left behind and get 2 good movies instead of one 2 hour mess.

Posted by: Big V at June 17, 2017 07:42 PM (NX0K0)

17 3 logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content

Thank you.

Brings me back to a simpler time, laughing at the Muppets with my Dad. We'd laugh at different times back then. Now we would laugh at the same time. Alas.

Dusty in here.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 07:43 PM (u82oZ)

18 Watched Panic in Year Zero the other afternoon. The music didn't seem to fit the movie. It was apocalyptic nuclear holocaust to a hoppin' sixties beach mix.

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 07:43 PM (Sfs6o)

19 American Sniper was pretty true to the book

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at June 17, 2017 07:44 PM (mMeIQ)

20 Master and Commander. They caught the books pretty well, except making Stephen Maturin somewhat of a liberal (ugh). The man was a spy. (Yes, I read them all, and am an 'ette. And straight. LOL).

But - I love Gladiator.

Almost perfect movie? Cinderella Man. Ron Howard totally got gipped on this one...

Posted by: exliberal at June 17, 2017 07:44 PM (kjizk)

21 In the "Alien" sequence, anything past the second movie is a complete waste.

If we're counting "Isolation", technically that's an interquel between Scott and Cameron, so your point still stands.

(Although, I've occasionally put in a good word for the graphic novel Outbreak.)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 07:44 PM (6FqZa)

22 The problem with historical movies is that a considerable number of people believe they are factual.

Posted by: Javems at June 17, 2017 07:45 PM (yOqwj)

23 Finished up my re-watching of Brit Marling's "Another Earth". Great little flick.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 07:45 PM (QGoUX)

24 Well, this double scoop of brilliance got Willowed and this cannot stand.

Now maybe Ben and Jerry's will have new flavors, Strikebreaker Strawberry, Adam Smith's Apple Bliss, Friedrich Hayek's Rocky Road To Serfdom, Milton Friedman's Chocolotta Freedom.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 07:46 PM (Nwg0u)

25 Livia is gonna poison you .
Augustus Caesar was a weakling.
Caligula was bat shit crazy.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2017 07:46 PM (8pPQD)

26 Northernlurker

The Great Escape was in 1944. The Yanks, mostly bomber crew, were involved in the initial stages. However, all Americans were moved to another compound, away from the area of the 3 escape tunnels.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 07:46 PM (u82oZ)

27 I'm with TheJamesMadison, Sr. If a movie has historical inaccuracies, it distracts me from the movie and makes it harder for me to enjoy. One of my primary motivations in watching a movie set in a different time and place is to find out how those people in that time and place thought and behaved. If the filmmakers are just going to change all that, they are wasting my time.

One of the things I care about the least is how well the actor "Rich Littled" his performance. I don't care all that much if he got Lincoln's mannerisms right; I want to see how Lincoln thought and how he went about achieving his goals.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 17, 2017 07:47 PM (pvjTE)

28 For example, "Commodus didn't die like that," or "No Spaniard would ever become a general in the Roman army" (I've no idea if that's actually true or not I have the feeling that he may have bene reaching

Not only could a Spaniard be a Roman general but the Emperor Trajan (AD 98 -117) was born in Spain

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 07:47 PM (auHtY)

29 25 Ben Had

Caligula was ~~bat shit~~ crazy like a fox. FIFY.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 07:48 PM (u82oZ)

30 Hadrian was also born in Spain. Which makes sense as he'd been groomed by Trajan.

Mary Beard has a whole segment on how Hadrian funneled a yuge pork-barrel back to his Spanish home town.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 07:48 PM (6FqZa)

31 RE the Great Escape: There was a NOVA episode some years ago where they excavated one of the escape tunnels had some of the old soldiers there to help try to find them. During the episode they mentioned that while there were Brits, Canadians Americans in the camp in the beginning, the Germans transferred all the Americans to another camp before the tunnels were completed. Which is why there were no Americans in the escape attempt.

Posted by: badgerwx at June 17, 2017 07:49 PM (USo2R)

32
Don't go to movies and expect to see minutia in history or accuracy. I just check my brain in at the door and want to be entertained.

I know the guns need reloading and things don't explode like that in real life--so what it's all amusing nevertheless.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 17, 2017 07:50 PM (S/hVx)

33 The scene at the end of Lincoln, where Mary Todd jumps into the volcano...awesome.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2017 07:50 PM (c4YC/)

34 Aw, I miss John Hurt. He was such a gleefully debauched and capricious Caligula in "I, Claudius":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmum3glL1DA

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 07:50 PM (QGoUX)

35 Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks

I'd buy ice cream with those names. However, SJWs would run to a plush toy if they were faced with that choice.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 07:50 PM (u82oZ)

36 33 The scene at the end of Lincoln, where Mary Todd jumps into the volcano...awesome.
Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2017 07:50 PM (c4YC/)

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Classic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 17, 2017 07:52 PM (Jj43a)

37 The emperor Trajan was born in Spain and Hadrian may also have been born there. I don't think it would be that all unusual by the time the movie Gladiator takes place, late 2nd century AD Rome , that a Roman born in Spain could not have become a general. One's family connections would have played a major , if not deciding, factor in determining one's rank in the Roman army. Robert Graves also wrote another Roman historical novel on the 6 th century Roman general, Belisarius, titled Count Belisarius. Belisarius, along with many of the later emperors was born in the Balkans. The First man in Rome series by Colleen McCullough and Mary Renault's novels on ancient are wonderful and quite insightful.

Posted by: Cah at June 17, 2017 07:52 PM (hgEPl)

38 There is a difference between setting a movie in a historic setting for example Gone with the Wind with the back drop of the Civil War and having the movie be based on an actual historic event such as The Longest Day. Taking a few liberties in Gone with the Wind is one thing but if say in The Longest Day it was the First All Wymyn's Division landing at Utah Beach that's an entirely different matter. I think for the latter the movies should tried to be as accurate as possible

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 07:52 PM (auHtY)

39 I loved "The Tudors " because it made you go back and read the history for the facts.

If you just watched it and said that wasn't historically correct you missed the point of the challenge.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2017 07:53 PM (8pPQD)

40 Roger Rabbit.

Also fraught with historical inacurracies.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2017 07:53 PM (c4YC/)

41 I never like Gladiator because it's a crap movie.

#20 I sort of liked Master and Commander, enough to try out the books, which I liked so much I read them all. However, when I tried to watch the movie afterwards I hated it, a very pale shadow of the novels and the action didn't make any sense.

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2017 07:53 PM (i2Dd+)

42 Turn takes a lot of artistic license WRT Simcoe.

He abolished slavery in Upper Canada. Dude has a lake named for him in Ontario.

Maybe not a perfect man, but hardly a war criminal.

Still, for purposes of story, a great villain in the show-universe.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:54 PM (GsAUU)

43

The Great Escape was in 1944. The Yanks, mostly bomber crew, were involved in the initial stages. However, all Americans were moved to another compound, away from the area of the 3 escape tunnels.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 07:46 PM (
Okay thanks for that. I knew there were no Americans involved but had forgotten why not.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 17, 2017 07:54 PM (eAMlh)

44 That scene in Lincoln where they vote for the Amendment was like watching an 1800s version of C-span. I almost fast-forwarded that part.

Posted by: Aunt Luna at June 17, 2017 07:54 PM (Zd2ZF)

45 On the last episode of The Dawns Her are Quiet a Russian WWII movie. I'm watching the remake and its well made.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 07:56 PM (Ot7+c)

46 ( YouTube, I forgot)

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 07:56 PM (Ot7+c)

47 'In the Future, everyone will have a lake in Ontario named after them for 15 minutes.'

Posted by: Shit Andy Warhol said... at June 17, 2017 07:57 PM (c4YC/)

48 22 Javems

Good point. I had a neighbor, a blond Norwegian triathlete, who would watch a movie and think she was an expert on the subject matter. Umm, no.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 07:57 PM (u82oZ)

49 40 Roger Rabbit.

Also fraught with historical inacurracies.
Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2017 07:53 PM (c4YC/)

Still, it really captured the bigoted attitudes that 'toons held toward non-toons.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 17, 2017 07:57 PM (3JQ/p)

50 47 'In the Future, everyone will have a lake in Ontario named after them for 15 minutes.'
Posted by: Shit Andy Warhol said... at June 17, 2017 07:57 PM (c4YC/)

--Well, there are a shitload of lakes in Ontario.

Half of the lakes in the world are in Canada.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:58 PM (GsAUU)

51 I watch Doctor Who for the historical accuracy. That and Peabody's Improbable History.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 07:58 PM (IqV8l)

52 Javems @ 22- Majority think they are historical fact.
Exactly! Kind of like the 'media', right?

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2017 07:58 PM (zLDYs)

53 Two war movies that are exceptionally accurate historically: To Hell And Back, and Hacksaw Ridge. Both also amazing movies.

Posted by: Jenos Idanian at June 17, 2017 07:58 PM (Qf0BO)

54 Books and movies like Gone with the Wind, I, Claudius, and The Girl with a Pearl Earring are all examples of either creating fictional people and placing them in real context, or fictionalizing accounts of real people. None of these are presented as fact or history, but as entertainment first and foremost.

They use real people and real places to tell interesting stories. Departure from literal historical fact in such works is often excusable specifically because of that.

YES!!! I've had a brilliant idea for a screenplay that I've been working on:

A pioneer girl in the 19th century realizes that her family and community are racist bigots. She realizes the affinity of the Native American people to nature, so she runs off and joins their tribe.

She is a military genius, and she takes the knowledge she has learned from white generals and uses it to rally and lead the Native Americans to victory in the battle of Little Bighorn. In the climactic scene, she beheads Custer, straps on a dildo, and skull fucks him!

I don't mind if it's an animated cartoon. Mulan meets Sacajawea meets Frozen.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at June 17, 2017 07:58 PM (xAvrH)

55 Terminator 2... waaay off.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 07:59 PM (6FqZa)

56 Speaking of historicity, historical fiction and historical movies:

LindyBeige did a downfall video about that . . .

https://youtu.be/TDY8T83P2Y4

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 07:59 PM (mkDpn)

57 Braveheart is my my favorite movie, and not just because it's totally historically accurate.

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 07:59 PM (ZcAbN)

58 Is Sgt. York historically accurate?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 07:59 PM (IqV8l)

59 Americans helped dig, and never read it but there is a book on it and explains there was a lot of help with the outside supplying radios, photos and lots of vital information.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:00 PM (Ot7+c)

60 Aw, I miss John Hurt. He was such a gleefully debauched and capricious Caligula in "I, Claudius":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmum3glL1DA

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 07:50 PM (QGoUX)

Tremendous cast and Hurt was great in that role

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:00 PM (auHtY)

61
Hogan's Heroes was noted for its complete historic accuracy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:01 PM (auHtY)

62 >>Still, it really captured the bigoted attitudes that 'toons held toward non-toons.

Oh, yeah.

By far the most scathing critique of the post-antebellum, segregationist south that's ever been adapted to modern cinema.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2017 08:01 PM (c4YC/)

63 Your inclusion of the photo from the final scene of The Seventh Seal allows me to expound upon one of my theories. I believe the final scene in A Bridge Too Far in which the civilian refugees with their few remaining possessions cross the horizon is a conscious tribute to The Seventh Seal.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:02 PM (Nwg0u)

64 Maybe not a perfect man, but hardly a war criminal.

Still, for purposes of story, a great villain in the show-universe.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 07:54 PM (GsAUU)

Well, at least that's not as as bad as what that miserable bastard James Cameron did with Titanic. He had this Scottish dude (I forget the character's name) as an evil villain, but it in real life, he was a hero who saved lives.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:02 PM (Ybs+3)

65
13Hours is my favorite movie because it is historically correct and politically incorrect.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2017 08:02 PM (8pPQD)

66 Well, this double scoop of brilliance got Willowed and this cannot stand.

Now maybe Ben and Jerry's will have new flavors, Strikebreaker Strawberry, Adam Smith's Apple Bliss, Friedrich Hayek's Rocky Road To Serfdom, Milton Friedman's Chocolotta Freedom.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 07:46 PM (Nwg0u)

Trump never wants two scoops of their commie ice cream

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:03 PM (auHtY)

67 Oh, and Weasel, if you are here. I submitted, I think, my recipe. Maybe even 3 times. The last one is correct.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2017 08:03 PM (zLDYs)

68 I really need to see 13 Hours

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (Ot7+c)

69
Your inclusion of the photo from the final scene of The Seventh Seal

Is that Bleeding Gums Murphy playing the saxophone on the far left in that photo?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (IqV8l)

70 Oliver Stone is the Howard Zinn of the movie world.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (IDPbH)

71 I liked the movie Unforgiven. Eastwood strips out any mythical romanticism of the Wild West and shows it in all its Hobbesian misery. Probably one of Eastwood's greatest IMHO.

Posted by: Jmel at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (L+0Wu)

72 16
I have had a pet peeve about Historic based movies. The flash back love story.

Posted by: Big V at June 17, 2017 07:42 PM (NX0K0)

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You do know that "Love Story" was an historically accurate portrayal of my youth, right?

Posted by: Al Gore at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (ZcAbN)

73 If you want historical accuracy, nothing beats 'F Troop'.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (Ybs+3)

74 post-antebellum

Isn't that bellum? Like, during the actual fisticuffs?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 08:05 PM (6FqZa)

75 TheQuietMan- mine got willowed as well. Cilantro Surprise with EColi chunks.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2017 08:05 PM (8pPQD)

76 I really need to see 13 Hours

Yes. Yes, in fact, you do.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 08:05 PM (6FqZa)

77 As I've always told my students: People who get their history from movies, deserve the history they get.

It's true that movies Always Get It Wrong, to a greater or lesser degree. It's true about book adaptations, historical events, professional life.

The best you can hope for is that the movie inspires a viewer to pick up a book (or *the book*) on the subject.

Posted by: Shopgirl at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (J4u2K)

78 Well, at least that's not as as bad as what that miserable bastard James Cameron did with Titanic. He had this Scottish dude (I forget the character's name) as an evil villain, but it in real life, he was a hero who saved lives.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:02 PM (Ybs+3)

--United 93 caught flak for having the German passenger play the conciliatory reason-with-the-hijackers role.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (GsAUU)

79 19
American Sniper was pretty true to the book

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at June 17, 2017 07:44 PM (mMeIQ)

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Agreed. As was "13 Hours."

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (ZcAbN)

80 73
If you want historical accuracy, nothing beats 'F Troop'.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (Ybs+3)
I came very close to a Coors Light nasal lavage with that one, OM! Kudos!!

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (EgOr3)

81 The Great Escape rates as one of the most historical inaccurate movies ever.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (IDPbH)

82 The other week Andersonville was on, having read two books both by survivor of Andersonville it was if I was re-reading those books again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonville_(film)

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (Ot7+c)

83 "Caligula", now there was an accurate depiction of Roman life.

Posted by: Javems at June 17, 2017 08:07 PM (yOqwj)

84 68 I really need to see 13 Hours
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (Ot7+c)

--It's cool from a technical standpoint. It is a great ride; if you love Black Hawk Down, you'll at least like 13 Hours.

I watched it on Prime.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (GsAUU)

85 Knowledge of history is a bad thing if you watch Hollyweird for other than an amusing freak show.

The horrors of World War II and it's combatants has been done and did. Nazis bad, Allies good.

The Korean War has been largely ignored except for "Bridges Of William Holden" or "Pork Chop Hill".

No where do you find movies about the horrors of the communist revolutions and bush wars which have killed millions since 1945 and all in the name of the sin of Envy masquerading as communism.

From the Greek Civil War in 1946 to the selling out of Rhodesia in the 70's to the joys of the Sandinistas in the 80s there is much that can be produced to show the actual history but fat chance of that happening. The Ministry of Truth would never abide it.

"The Killing Fields" is the lone exception. But they still managed to blame that on Nixon and the B-52 strikes which they claim "drove" the Khmer Rouge to do what they did in the movie.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (5VlCp)

86 Previews of coming attractions:

Memoirs of a hot green alien chick entitled Done Kirk.

An amnesiac lion with incredible predatory skills awakens and goes on a bloody rampage entitled Bourne Free.

Kurt Russell must rescue Liza Manelli from a degenerate musical Manhattan in Escape From New York, New York.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (Nwg0u)

87 Damn.... Flounder dead at 63...

Posted by: D Day, whereabouts, unknown at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (NgKpN)

88 Historical Fiction as Documentary has made us rich!!!

Posted by: Al Gore and Michael Moore at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (ZcAbN)

89 On thing about thd Grest Escape movie is they combined many real people into 1 actor, 50 British/Allied airmen were murdered

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:09 PM (Ot7+c)

90 I was excited to see Heartbreak Ridge when it first came out. I remember one of the first things I thought was, wait, when did they move Camp Pendleton to North Carolina?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2017 08:09 PM (kTF2Z)

91 ...where Mary Todd jumps into the volcano...awesome.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2017 07:50 PM (c4YC/)

OT but that reminded me of "Joe vs. the Volcano". I like that movie, particularly the night scenes drifting on the trunks. Reminds me of long voyages on small boats. The stars and sea are magical.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at June 17, 2017 08:09 PM (T71PA)

92 For a very funny send-up of historical realism, try this scene: Morecombe & Wise with Glenda Jackson: "Antony & Cleopatra"

"https://youtu.be/AtHNrRk3lQM

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 08:10 PM (u82oZ)

93 --United 93 caught flak for having the German passenger play the conciliatory reason-with-the-hijackers role.
Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (GsAUU)
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Yeah, I was wondering how they knew that, or that he tried to warn them of the passengers' plan.

Maybe he called Angela Merkel on his airplane phone?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:10 PM (QGoUX)

94 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (5VlCp)

We were Soldiers....

The Green Berets...

Few and far between... but there were a few...

Posted by: Don Q. at June 17, 2017 08:10 PM (NgKpN)

95 There are some Korean movies about the Korean war. They are typically very patriotic in a very Korean way, where all the characters die soldiering on in the face of overwhelming odds.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 08:10 PM (mkDpn)

96 This movie on Comet TV seems like it could be real, in a galaxy far, far, far away.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:11 PM (Ot7+c)

97 Ironic.
I was just sharing my thoughts on the music tracks from Guardians of the Galaxy I and II.
I like II.
Mrs Diogenes likes I.
I was in the Army back then, stationed in Germany. I told my daughter (who was 2 then) there's no better music for heading up to the border on an alert to face down the Godless commies than Silver's Wham Bam.
Good times!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2017 08:11 PM (0tfLf)

98
I think I saw this on a making of Braveheart. Originally Mel shot the Battle of Stirling Bridge on a bridge but decided against it as it didn't have the look of battle he wanted. Mel said to the Scottish history advisor on set, I can't film it that way. The bridge just gets in the way. The advisor said, That's funny, the English felt the same way.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:11 PM (auHtY)

99 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (5VlCp)

--Have you seen The Lives of Others?

It's on my list.

Not having seen it, can't say if it's another exception.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:12 PM (GsAUU)

100 If you want historical accuracy, nothing beats 'F Troop'.

I feel the same way about "Hogan's Heroes".

Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:12 PM (qJhUV)

101 78
United 93 caught flak for having the German passenger play the conciliatory reason-with-the-hijackers role.
Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (GsAUU)

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

They could also have had a female Swedish passenger offer to fuck the hijackers in exchange for sparing the plane.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 08:13 PM (sdi6R)

102 I did like that John Wayne tried to make a pro American Vietnam War movie with the Green Berets. That was an exception when it used to be the rule.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:13 PM (IDPbH)

103 73 If you want historical accuracy, nothing beats 'F Troop'.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:04 PM (Ybs+3)

We um Aggree!!!!

Whoopie doopie, we have fun!

Posted by: Go Go Gophers... at June 17, 2017 08:14 PM (NgKpN)

104 I think you are too hard on Gladiator. It was entertaining, well acted and beautifully shot.

Posted by: chi-town Jerry at June 17, 2017 08:14 PM (Ypdxv)

105 Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:11 PM (auHtY)

I think they filmed most of it in Ireland.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:14 PM (IDPbH)

106 Schindler"s List may have not been totally accurate but it made you feel it. Gut wrenching at the end when the survivors put the stones on Schindler's grave.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2017 08:14 PM (8pPQD)

107 One of my favorite movies that is historical fiction is "The Wind And The Lion". It has Teddy Roosevelt, Barbary Pirates, Arab Sheiks, the United States Marine Corps, damsels in distress, and Sean Connery. Milius wrote great monologues for Connery in this film and Connery remembered when he was filming "The Hunt For Red October". The script apparently didn't have enough good lines in it for Connery, so he suggested they bring Milius in to write some dialogue for him. Most of the lines you remember from HFRO were written by Milius.

Posted by: Mr_Fastbucks at June 17, 2017 08:15 PM (4xZi9)

108 100
If you want historical accuracy, nothing beats 'F Troop'.

I feel the same way about "Hogan's Heroes".

Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:12 PM (qJhUV)
Also, The Cosby Show.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:15 PM (EgOr3)

109 If you want historical accuracy, nothing beats 'F Troop'.
I feel the same way about "Hogan's Heroes"

We always kept it real.

Posted by: M.A.S.H. at June 17, 2017 08:15 PM (BO/km)

110

Yay, movie thread!

Posted by: otho at June 17, 2017 08:16 PM (lmIoG)

111 >>Also, The Cosby Show.

ISWYDT

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2017 08:16 PM (c4YC/)

112 67 Oh, and Weasel, if you are here. I submitted, I think, my recipe. Maybe even 3 times. The last one is correct.
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Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 08:16 PM (Sfs6o)

113 We always kept it real.

Posted by: M.A.S.H. at June 17, 2017 08:15 PM (BO/km)

I was always hoping for a MIG strafing run on that set

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:17 PM (auHtY)

114 95 There are some Korean movies about the Korean war. They are typically very patriotic in a very Korean way, where all the characters die soldiering on in the face of overwhelming odds.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 08:10 PM (mkDpn)

There is a very gritty American made Korean War movie that was shot in just 14 days. Steel Helmet. It was fantastic if you base it on how fast they shot it and their budget.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:17 PM (IDPbH)

115 One of my favorite movies that is historical fiction is "The Wind And The Lion". ...

Posted by: Mr_Fastbucks at June 17, 2017 08:15 PM (4xZi9)

Totally agree. Connery and Marines kicking ass. What's not to like?

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at June 17, 2017 08:18 PM (T71PA)

116 Wings Day, the British pilot, set the tome for the Great Escape by making escape the operational duty of POWs in WWII. He was awarded the DSO for leadership as a POW; this was extraordinary.

He escaped many times, only to be recaptured each time. He explained this to the Germans as career necessity. His peers were Air Vice Marshals. The Germans Luftwaffe respected him for his straightforward ambition.

Wings Day was threatened but not killed by the Gestapo. Goering had his service protect the POWs in their charge to the extent possible in 1944 Germany.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2017 08:18 PM (u82oZ)

117 Maybe some knights would ask the questions that were asked by the protagonist in The Seventh Seal.

It's also interesting that those who are more thoughtful are more tormented, while those one might consider as more simple are happier and, at least in the film, closer to God.

Posted by: shibumi, CNNisISIS at June 17, 2017 08:18 PM (aT+Bx)

118 >>>58 Is Sgt. York historically accurate?

i dig the turkey hunting scene

Posted by: concrete girl at June 17, 2017 08:18 PM (eQi+Y)

119
Sounds pretty accurate to me.

They could also have had a female Swedish passenger offer to fuck the hijackers in exchange for sparing the plane.
Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 08:13 PM (sdi6R)

--The issue was that is was an actual, nameable, person and his family was upset about it.

That said, it helped the story move along. The idea was that 9/11 was a watershed day, when it moved from hijackers having claims and endeavoring to have the flight conclude normally after their demands were met, not ending it suicidally, and outright batshit faux martyrdom.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:18 PM (GsAUU)

120 Speaking of Dunkirk, I'm reading in my book "Blitzed" that Goering was thoroughly opium-soaked when he suggested to Hitler that armor halt their advance and let the Luftwaffe take over. Guderian could have easily blocked off the last escape route, Dunkirk, and completed the encirclement of Allied troops.

(I also learned that Herman liked to paint his nails red.)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:19 PM (QGoUX)

121 Donald Pleasence added some realism to The Great Escape. He was a radio operator on Lancasters, flew a large number of missions, was shot down, and imprisoned in a Nazi Luftstalag.

Speaking of Pleasence, he was a conscientious objector and excused from service. Then he saw what the Luftwaffe did to London and joined up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:19 PM (Nwg0u)

122 --United 93 caught flak for having the German passenger play the conciliatory reason-with-the-hijackers role.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:06 PM (GsAUU)

Seems not-too-farfetched to me.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:19 PM (Ybs+3)

123 We were Soldiers....

A few years ago I was in the hospital with a guy who was there. It came on and we watched it . He said it was pretty accurate.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:19 PM (qJhUV)

124 I was in a very bad mood last week so I watched Aliens. It was very therapeutic.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at June 17, 2017 08:21 PM (UUNyR)

125 The Green Berets...
Few and far between... but there were a few...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 17, 2017 08:10 PM (NgKpN)

Yup....great movie! It was panned at the time but every time I watch it I see where John Wayne had the right dope in he was trying to show why we fight like the WW2 propaganda movies.

Even Sulu was good as the Montagnard platoon leader.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:21 PM (5VlCp)

126
I was in a very bad mood last week so I watched Aliens. It was very therapeutic.
Posted by: katya the designated driver

Was it historically accurate?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 08:22 PM (IqV8l)

127 "On thing about thd Grest Escape movie is they combined many real people into 1 actor, 50 British/Allied airmen were murdered

Posted by: Skip"

Which is shown in the movie. Yes, they did show Americans in the escape attempt and that was incorrect, but many many many parts of the movie were correct, especially the preparation for the escape and the digging of the tunnels, and how they screwed up in the measurement of the escape tunnel. And they even got right how the guys that got away made it back (one guy got through into Spain, which was accurate, and the other 2 got onto a ship and made it out that way, which was also accurate.)

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 17, 2017 08:22 PM (w+Jhj)

128

Yeah... "Gladiator". Bombastic and stiff in it's seriousness. Some good scenes in it though, like all Scott's flicks, even his long flabby era.

Posted by: otho at June 17, 2017 08:22 PM (lmIoG)

129 Oh, come on. Lincoln is the most boring movie ever made.

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at June 17, 2017 08:23 PM (o38N1)

130 They could also have had a female Swedish passenger offer to fuck the hijackers in exchange for sparing the plane.
Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 08:13 PM (sdi6R)

Or have a Hollywood producer or MSM reporter offer to blow the hijackers for the same reason.

Of course, the hijackers probably would've taken them up on it, to the delight of those making the offer.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 17, 2017 08:23 PM (SRKgf)

131 126
I was in a very bad mood last week so I watched Aliens. It was very therapeutic.
Posted by: katya the designated driver

Was it historically accurate?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 08:22 PM (IqV8l)

I love that even in movies like "Aliens" they have to have that "not based on actual events or people" blurb.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:23 PM (QGoUX)

132 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:21 PM (5VlCp

Not to many movies make me tear up but at the end .....

Peter Son ! Peter Son! Have you seen Peter Son?

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:23 PM (IDPbH)

133 56
Speaking of historicity, historical fiction and historical movies:

LindyBeige did a downfall video about that . . .

https://youtu.be/TDY8T83P2Y4

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 07:59 PM (mkDpn)

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Thanks for that. I can't get enough Downfall parodies. Heels on medieval boots. "Film producers are the scum of the German people."

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 08:25 PM (ZcAbN)

134 Cinderella Man is a perfect example of a movie maligning a real-life character to make for more drama. Max Baer never intentionally killed anybody in the ring.

Posted by: goodluckduck at June 17, 2017 08:25 PM (V8zw+)

135 127 "On thing about thd Grest Escape movie is they combined many real people into 1 actor, 50 British/Allied airmen were murdered

Posted by: Skip"

Which is shown in the movie. Yes, they did show Americans in the escape attempt and that was incorrect, but many many many parts of the movie were correct, especially the preparation for the escape and the digging of the tunnels, and how they screwed up in the measurement of the escape tunnel. And they even got right how the guys that got away made it back (one guy got through into Spain, which was accurate, and the other 2 got onto a ship and made it out that way, which was also accurate.)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 17, 2017 08:22 PM (w+Jhj)

I think there's room for a little poetic license to move the story along. A blow-by-blow account of a couple dozen characters would be pretty tough sledding for the audience.

Interesting fact: it's one of the few movies (apart from the favored fare in SF) that has no women in it as characters.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 17, 2017 08:25 PM (SRKgf)

136 Seems not-too-farfetched to me.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:19 PM (Ybs+3)

--I would have bet on the kraut.

Still, it was probably the folks on the ground who were pulling for second-millennium negotiation tactics.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:26 PM (GsAUU)

137 Oh, come on. Lincoln is the most boring movie ever made.
Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at June 17, 2017 08:23 PM (o38N1)

You are thinking of The Tin Drum. How did they make sex boring?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 08:26 PM (mkDpn)

138 Max Baer never intentionally killed anybody in the ring.

Posted by: goodluckduck at June 17, 2017 08:25 PM (V8zw+)

Of course not. Uncle Jed wouldn't let him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:26 PM (auHtY)

139 "I was excited to see Heartbreak Ridge when it first
came out. I remember one of the first things I thought was, wait, when
did they move Camp Pendleton to North Carolina?

Posted by: Duke Lowell"

The marines that invaded the island were from Camp Lejune in NC. I was there.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 17, 2017 08:26 PM (w+Jhj)

140 when i found out what really happened to the prisoners who built the bridge on the river kwai i found it impossible to watch again.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 08:27 PM (WTSFk)

141 123 We were Soldiers....

A few years ago I was in the hospital with a guy who was there. It came on and we watched it . He said it was pretty accurate.
Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:19 PM (qJhUV)

Well... considering it was written by two people who were AT the real event... we knew the book was accurate...

Kudos to Hollywood for getting it right...

Posted by: Don Q. at June 17, 2017 08:27 PM (NgKpN)

142 Oh, come on. Lincoln is the most boring movie ever made.
Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at June 17, 2017 08:23 PM (o38N1)

Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Slayer, on the other hand...I liked it. I have some doubts about its historical accuracy, though.

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:27 PM (e8PP1)

143 Weasel. @ 112- Recipe submission.
Apparently I need to go back and read the instructions again. Will do that tomorrow night after church.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2017 08:27 PM (zLDYs)

144 Oh, come on. Lincoln is the most boring movie ever made

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I thought having Lincoln wear an Obama Yes We Can button was just too much.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:28 PM (Nwg0u)

145
Interesting fact: it's one of the few movies (apart from the favored fare in SF) that has no women in it as characters.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 17, 2017 08:25 PM

Think of the remake possibilities!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 08:28 PM (IqV8l)

146 Kudos to Hollywood for getting it right...

Posted by: Don Q. at June 17, 2017 08:27 PM (NgKpN)Hey, accidents happen!

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:28 PM (EgOr3)

147 Te Battle of Zama sequence in Gladiator was a great piece of film-making. The end was prefect too.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 08:28 PM (+GtGJ)

148 One thing about Sgt York was he really used a trusty 1911 instead of a Luger

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:30 PM (Ot7+c)

149 Belisarius? Pfft.

Dude stole all my credit.

Posted by: Justinian at June 17, 2017 08:31 PM (+GtGJ)

150 Gone Girl is literally a documentary of the average marriage of white folks under 40.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:31 PM (2qHjF)

151 I have read that My Darling Clementine (1946) with Henry Fonda was, of all the OK Corral movies, the most historically accurate.
Anyone else heard that?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2017 08:32 PM (0tfLf)

152 No where do you find movies about the horrors of the
communist revolutions and bush wars which have killed millions since
1945 and all in the name of the sin of Envy masquerading as communism.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:08 PM (5VlCp)
====================
That's a great point.

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (ZcAbN)

153 Ip Man, with Donny Yen. If ya like kung fu, and good vs evil, with a little history thrown in, this series is good.

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (e8PP1)

154 Kingdom of Heaven is really shitty on the "history" side of its historical fiction. Really Really shitty.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (cAnNx)

155 150
Gone Girl is literally a documentary of the average marriage of white folks under 40.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:31 PM (2qHjF)
The book was an e-coli-riddled heap of excrement. Didn't see the movie.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (EgOr3)

156 I know it's not about the subject of historical accuracy but just wanted to rant again that John Wick 2 was a huge disappointment. Similar to The Matrix and Matrix Reloaded for me.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (IDPbH)

157 The one about how ubama met moochel is pretty much fake. The real story was 2 guys, won't it?

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (zLDYs)

158 The book was an e-coli-riddled heap of excrement. Didn't see the movie.
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (EgOr3)

Jesus, seriously. I listened to it on my commute to work. What a waste of humanity those two were.

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:34 PM (e8PP1)

159 E-coli is definitely not boring.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (2qHjF)

160 Hey movie thread! 'It's the most wonderful time of the week...' ;-)

New additions to the qdpsteve movie library:

- Streets Of Fire
- Thief (just received today)
- I Vitelloni

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (eMKNe)

161 One of my favorites is "The Iron Cross".

It shows the difference between a seasoned NCO and an ass kissing officer out for rank and why they do what they do.

James Coburn was always good in whatever he was in.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (5VlCp)

162 "Heels on medieval boots."

And this obsession with...

Fire arrows!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTd_0FRAwOQ

(Confession: I love fire arrows.)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (QGoUX)

163 I don't go to the movies to learn about history

Schools don't even mention anymore that the war didn't end when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. I think it's an important function.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (k8DTS)

164 143 Weasel. @ 112- Recipe submission.
Apparently I need to go back and read the instructions again. Will do that tomorrow night after church.
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Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (Sfs6o)

165 155 150
Gone Girl is literally a documentary of the average marriage of white folks under 40.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:31 PM (2qHjF)
The book was an e-coli-riddled heap of excrement. Didn't see the movie.
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:33 PM (EgOr3)

Funny that his brother made a really good movie called Gone Baby Gone.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (IDPbH)

166 OT- sorry- has anyone heard news of the 7 missing sailors off of the USS Fitzgerald?

Posted by: USNtakim at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (zZWkn)

167 This website says Commodus was part Spainish...

http://historum.com/ancient-history/19034-national-ethnic-origins-roman-emperors.html

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2017 08:36 PM (aZq03)

168 I have to give Gladiator credit for being talkative or silent depending on which part of the story. Most movies feel an obligation to put in dialogue even when it's not the strength of the medium.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2017 08:37 PM (VdICR)

169 Road House

Historically Accurate or full on documentary? Never under estimate the hand to hand combat prowess of a good mullet. Heck, the Greeks wore them outside their helmets. Native American War Bonnet? just a giant mullet made of feathers.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Gluten Free Souls at June 17, 2017 08:37 PM (tMFgx)

170 Has the Horde ever talked about their favorite romcom subgenre... DRAG movies?

I'm talking:

- Some Like It Hot
- Tootsie
- Victor/Victoria
- Rocky Horror Picture Show
- Connie & Carla
- To Wong Foo Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar
- Hedwig And The Angry Inch

...I'm sure there are others.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:37 PM (eMKNe)

171 "The Year of Living Dangeriously", however historically accurate it is, gives good insight into what Barry Sotero's mom had in taking him into that world of shit in his formative years.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (P/kVC)

172 Haven't seen Cross of Iron in years, great movie.

Wanted to pass this along, been listening to it, Last of the Mohicans
https://youtu.be/7ycEXkNQlWs

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (Ot7+c)

173 James Coburn was always good in whatever he was in.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (5VlCp)
The best! As well as Lee Marvin. You want to enjoy a movie? Watch Cat Ballou sometime.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (EgOr3)

174 Casey > Ben

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (2qHjF)

175 ...I'm sure there are others.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:37 PM (eMKNe)

Priscilla, Queen of the Desert!

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (e8PP1)

176 "I'm talking:

- Some Like It Hot

- Tootsie

- Victor/Victoria

- Rocky Horror Picture Show

- Connie Carla

- To Wong Foo Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar

- Hedwig And The Angry Inch

...I'm sure there are others.

Posted by: qdpsteve"

The Bird Cage.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (w+Jhj)

177 107
One of my favorite movies that is historical fiction is "The Wind And
The Lion". It has Teddy Roosevelt, Barbary Pirates, Arab Sheiks, the
United States Marine Corps, damsels in distress, and Sean Connery.
............

Posted by: Mr_Fastbucks at June 17, 2017 08:15 PM (4xZi9)

---------------------------------------

It also has one of the best scenes ever filmed. This is from some guys myspace, takes a while to load and is long, but is worth a look.
https://tinyurl.com/yc7k878y

Posted by: Javems at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (yOqwj)

178 No where do you find movies about the horrors of the
communist revolutions

-
Blood Alley is one such movie. Of course, Duke.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (Nwg0u)

179 The thing I don't like about historical fiction type movies is how they attempt to pander to their audience. Stalag 17, and it's ludicrous, out of place humor. The Great Escape, and it's injection of an American into the story. Yeah they have to sell the movie to the target audience, but I would have liked The Great Escape better without McQueen and Bronson, and the fourth of july scene. Stalag 17 would be a better movie without the humorous scenes, which were seemingly inserted at random, screw the story line.

That said, the "Is we all good little Nazis?" was pretty damn funny....it just didn't belong in that movie.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (SSydb)

180 Weasel @ 164- javascript?
Heck, I seem to recall I hamstrung javascript some time back. Have to check that out.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (zLDYs)

181 166
OT- sorry- has anyone heard news of the 7 missing sailors off of the USS Fitzgerald?

Posted by: USNtakim at June 17, 2017 08:35 PM (zZWkn)
Been wondering about that, too. Haven't seen an update since this morning. Also wondering how Steve Scalise is doing. It's all enough to make you just lay down and cry.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:40 PM (EgOr3)

182 April and Asheville, of course! Can't believe I forgot those.

Also the original version of Birdcage, 'La Cage Aux Folles.'

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:40 PM (eMKNe)

183 I have no idea if Rush was historically accurate but it's a hell of a entertaining and a classic. Plus, Greg Allman is in it.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:40 PM (2qHjF)

184 ...I'm sure there are others.

Posted by: qdpsteve"

The Bird Cage.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (w+Jhj)

--Mrs. Doubtfire?

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:40 PM (GsAUU)

185 The best! As well as Lee Marvin. You want to enjoy a movie? Watch Cat Ballou sometime.
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (EgOr3)
---
I loved the "morning after" scene:

Cat: Your eyes look awful!
Kid Shelleen: You should see 'em from MY side!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:40 PM (QGoUX)

186 DRAG movies.

Two Lane Blacktop
Heart Like A Wheel
Snake and Mongoose

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 17, 2017 08:40 PM (H5rtT)

187 Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
Cars 3
Rough Night
All Eyez on Me

I read an article in somewhere like the Hollywood Reporter that all three of these new movies opening today are absolutely terrible films -- so bad, the studios refused to screen them for reviewers. It is predicted to be the worst summer-blockbuster opening weekend in history.

All Eyez on Me is a Tupac Shakur bio-pic -- nobody other then rappers and race-baiting communists has the slightest interest in watching it.

Rough Night is a chick-flick comedy about a male stripper. Apparently, it fails.

Cars 3 is for little toddlers. Not adults.

Also opening is The Book of Henry, which was trashed in early reviews, and 47 Meters Down, a remake of Jaws, basically.

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2017 08:40 PM (DQ4Fv)

188 logprof, can't believe I forgot that one too!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:41 PM (eMKNe)

189 King Rat > Great Escape > Stalag 17

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:41 PM (IDPbH)

190 Has the Horde ever talked about their favorite romcom subgenre... DRAG movies?

I'm talking:

- Some Like It Hot
- Tootsie
- Victor/Victoria
- Rocky Horror Picture Show
- Connie & Carla
- To Wong Foo Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar
- Hedwig And The Angry Inch

...I'm sure there are others.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:37 PM (eMKNe)

Southside With You

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:41 PM (auHtY)

191 Stringer, those are DragSTRIP movies. ;-)

Although about a year ago I collected some chase movies:

- Two-Lane Blacktop
- Drive
- The Getaway
- Bullitt
- Vanishing Point

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (eMKNe)

192 113
We always kept it real.

Posted by: M.A.S.H. at June 17, 2017 08:15 PM (BO/km)

I was always hoping for a MIG strafing run on that set

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:17 PM (auHtY)
==============

Please don't tell be that my favorite character on the show, Colonel Flagg, was fictional.

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (ZcAbN)

193 TheQuietMan, that's a new one for me. Thanks for the tip.

I also forgot 'Yentl.'

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (eMKNe)

194 Didn't Wesley Snipes make Blade after Too Wong Fu?

What a roller coaster ride that guy rode.

White Men Can't Jump is historically accurate and an awesome and entertaining movie.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (2qHjF)

195 I'm the wind!!!

Posted by: Col. Flagg at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (eMKNe)

196 I also forgot 'Yentl.'

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (eMKNe)
With any luck, you can get that back.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:43 PM (EgOr3)

197 Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (SSydb)

They could have done without the homo dance party.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:43 PM (IDPbH)

198 Another drag movie, of sorts, The Crying Game.

Which reminds me, I really like Forrest Whitaker.

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:43 PM (e8PP1)

199 Re drag movies: I also forgot 'White Chicks.'

Posted by: Col. Flagg at June 17, 2017 08:43 PM (eMKNe)

200 April, can't believe I forgot that one either. :-)

Posted by: Col. Flagg at June 17, 2017 08:43 PM (eMKNe)

201 "Of course not. Uncle Jed wouldn't let him"

Baer Jr. was really mad over the depiction of his dad.

Posted by: goodluckduck at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (V8zw+)

202 Oops, off crazy sock!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (eMKNe)

203 Oh, and Kiss of the Spider Woman.

Why have so many of us seen so many drag movies, anyway?

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (e8PP1)

204 Another drag movie, of sorts, The Crying Game.

Which reminds me, I really like Forrest Whitaker.

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:43 PM (e8PP1)
I was thinking of that one, too, April. And, yeah, Forrest Whitaker, great great actor.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (EgOr3)

205 " I'm ready, man, check it out. I am the ultimate badass! State of the badass art! You do not wanna fuck with me. Check it out! Hey Ripley, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate badasses will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phased plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks..."

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (I70qu)

206 TheQuietMan, that's a new one for me. Thanks for the tip.

I also forgot 'Yentl.'

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (eMKNe)

I was teasing. Southside With You is a movie about how Barry met Michelle. But the actress playing Michelle is a woman so it must have been a gender bender

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (auHtY)

207 OT- sorry- has anyone heard news of the 7 missing sailors off of the USS Fitzgerald?

From what I read, the container ship collided right at the berthing spaces, including the captain's cabin. Since it was 2:30 in the morning, they were probably all in there. Captain was medevaced out.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (qJhUV)

208 198 Another drag movie, of sorts, The Crying Game.

Which reminds me, I really like Forrest Whitaker.
Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 08:43 PM (e8PP1)

I always think of him as the bad cop in Street Kings.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:45 PM (IDPbH)

209 April, oh yeah, I forgot that one too. :-)

TQM, ya got me good!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:45 PM (eMKNe)

210 King Rat was on TCM this afternoon.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 08:46 PM (IqV8l)

211 @121

Wow, thanks -- didn't know that about Donald Pleasence. Fascinating ...

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 08:46 PM (ZcAbN)

212 64
Well, at least that's not as as bad as what that miserable bastard James Cameron did with Titanic. He had this Scottish dude (I forget the character's name) as an evil villain, but it in real life, he was a hero who saved lives.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 08:02 PM (Ybs+3)

You may be thinking of First Officer Murdoch. He was at the helm when the Titanic hit the iceberg, and the movie later shows him shooting third class passengers trying to board the lifeboats, and then turning the gun on himself.

But the thing is, survivor accounts *did* tell of an officer shooting passengers rushing the lifeboats and then committing suicide. Was it Murdoch? We'll never know.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 08:46 PM (sdi6R)

213 47 Meters Down sounds like a cult classic in the making..... A summer sizzler
. The great white shark movie with Thomas Jane and Smauel L Jackson and LL Cool J NEVER gets old. We called it "The Shark Movie" in college and always watched it when it came on.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2017 08:46 PM (2qHjF)

214 Ford named the car "Lincoln" because Lincoln was shot in Fords theater.

Posted by: Zombie Howard Zinn at June 17, 2017 08:47 PM (n3hky)

215 Guy of Lusignan was in fact a terrible king. He was only "king" because he was having an affair with the Leper King's eldest daughter. He was responsible for the disaster at Hattin, which resulted in the loss of the entire kingdom of Jerusalem, save for the city of Tyre. This resulted in the Third Crusade, a botched affair that, given the size of the army that was sent to the Holy Land, should have restored Jerusalem to the Christians, but ended up becoming more or less a stalemate, with the Christians recovering the cities of the coast, and the loss of untold numbers of men during the siege of Acre, another disaster that was begun by Guy. One could make a case that much of the troubles in the Middle East today could be traced back to Guy's incompetence. By the way, as a reward for his fecklessness, he ended up with the island of Cyprus. He was the only principal character of the Third Crusade who came out ahead at the end. Maybe his real name was Guy of Obama.

Posted by: InfidelBob at June 17, 2017 08:47 PM (SmXFx)

216 Donald Sutherland and Michael Caine have also provide me some excellent movie viewing. I almost don't care what they're in (and, apparently, neither does Michael Caine but, not judging).

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:47 PM (EgOr3)

217 InfidelBob, do you also know about Juana La Loca?

I've read she was so inbred it was spooky.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:48 PM (eMKNe)

218 Although about a year ago I collected some chase movies:

- Two-Lane Blacktop

- Drive

- The Getaway

- Bullitt

- Vanishing Point

You should add
The Seven Ups
The French Connection
To Live and Die in LA

Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:48 PM (qJhUV)

219 tu3031, thanks!

I do already have French Connection.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:49 PM (eMKNe)

220 Oh yeah.

Vista is now fully installed, up through service pack 2. Nearly two hundred separate updates from the base DVD install.

I removed my water cooler...CPU was running just too hot...I suspect it's failed, (and thankfully, it's still under warranty).

Stock CPU fan installed, CPU is running at about 40c, with the water cooler it was between 50c, and 60c, (under load). So it's getting sent back for repair/replacement.

Still bummed about the ASUS MOBO. This is the first time I've ever had one fail, and I've scratch built dozens of systems with ASUS MOBO's, both AMD, and Intel. They generally tough it out until obsolescence forces their replacement.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 08:49 PM (SSydb)

221 The best! As well as Lee Marvin. You want to enjoy a movie? Watch Cat Ballou sometime.
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (EgOr3)

Yup...Lee Marvin was the real deal. Shot through the ass and foot on Saipan which cut his sciatic nerve in half. He served in the 4th Marine Division.

Tough bastard.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:49 PM (5VlCp)

222 Every POW movie has a drag scene. Big shows in River Kwai.
Other than that and somethin-somethin Jefferson Davis, one just does not see the soul-revealing humour of men impersonating women.

There's a certain kind of party I'm just no fun at, but you guys go ahead.
What the hell, one sip off it won't kill ya.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 17, 2017 08:49 PM (H5rtT)

223 One of the funnier IMHO Wiki articles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (eMKNe)

224 Ford named the car "Lincoln" because Lincoln was shot in Fords theater.
Posted by: Zombie Howard Zinn at June 17, 2017 08:47 PM (n3hky)

FUN FACT: Edsel was named after the guy who ran the concession stand.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (+GtGJ)

225 A Beautiful Mind
Ron Howard made an entertaining movie. The book wasn't entertaining. John Nash biography. John Nash wasn't that great or important and was a sh*t. Russell Crowe played him in the movie.

I liked the imaginary characters best.

Posted by: Marx Brothers at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (HGnpK)

226 My vote for best actor in the last few decades is Gary Oldman.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (IDPbH)

227 214
Ford named the car "Lincoln" because Lincoln was shot in Fords theater.

Posted by: Zombie Howard Zinn at June 17, 2017 08:47 PM (n3hky)
That was probably before they had degrees in marketing. lol

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (EgOr3)

228
I also forgot 'Yentl.'
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:42 PM (eMKNe)

--From my recent reading:

"The first woman to practice medicine in Britain was . . . Dr. James Barry (c. 1792-1865). Born in Ireland and brought up as Margaret Ann Bulkley, a girl, she secretly yook on a masculine identity after puberty as James Barry in order to be able to enter medical school at Edinburgh University (a plan hatched by family members), Barry obtained a medical degree in 1812, lived as a man thereafter and became a successful medical surgeon, travelling to postings in South Africa, Mauritius, St. Helena, Canada, and the Caribbean accompanied by a black manservant and a dog called Psyche. Barry's true sex was only discovered after her death, causing considerable embarrassment to the medical authorities."

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 08:51 PM (GsAUU)

229 Donald Pleasence plays the President in _Escape from New York_. He's also a prisoner in that movie.

Posted by: goodluckduck at June 17, 2017 08:51 PM (V8zw+)

230 140
when i found out what really happened to the prisoners who built the
bridge on the river kwai i found it impossible to watch again.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 08:27 PM (WTSFk)
==================

I'm embarrassed to admit I don't know what really happened to those prisoners. Will go do some research ...

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 08:51 PM (ZcAbN)

231 logprof, wow. A Hollywood flick has GOT to be coming soon about that person.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:52 PM (eMKNe)

232 Jack Sock, "Sid & Nancy" is coming out soon on Criterion.

It's also already on blu-ray.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:52 PM (eMKNe)

233 Historical events I want to see movies about:

The Battle of Manzikert
Pyrrhus of Epirus
Peloponnesian War
The Reconquesta
Cortez's conquest of Mexico
Constantine and the conversion of the Roman Empire
Martin Luther
The Battle of Leipzig (ultimately more important then Waterloo)

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2017 08:53 PM (aZq03)

234 Vaguely related Sam Elliot photo with funny:

http://bit.ly/2rDsoyA

Posted by: Meremortal, ISIS IS CNN. at June 17, 2017 08:53 PM (3myMJ)

235 189 King Rat > Great Escape > Stalag 17
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:41 PM (IDPbH)

I love King Rat. The ending is great....however, in the book, they make a bigger deal about the rats, and I would have loved to see more of that in the movie.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 08:53 PM (SSydb)

236 Jack Sock, "Sid & Nancy" is coming out soon on Criterion.

It's also already on blu-ray.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:52 PM

That is a fantastic movie.

Posted by: otho at June 17, 2017 08:54 PM (lmIoG)

237 qdpsteve: The Spanish nobility at that time was so inbred, it's a wonder any of them survived.

Posted by: InfidelBob at June 17, 2017 08:54 PM (SmXFx)

238 225 a beautiful mind:

i haven't read the book but there were some big inaccuracies: his hallucinations were auditory, not visual and the nash's had divorced. also, the nobel prize speech is pure hollywood hokum.

but jennifer connely is luminous.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (WTSFk)

239 180 Weasel @ 164- javascript?
Heck, I seem to recall I hamstrung javascript some time back. Have to check that out.
Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2017 08:39 PM (zLDYs)
-----
Yep - enable JavaScript and it should work! Thanks!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (Sfs6o)

240 The highest-ranking crew member who survived Titanic was Second Officer Charles Lightoller. Many years later he aided the evacuation of Dunkirk with his own private boat.

I hear there's a new movie about Dunkirk coming out. I hope he's in it.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (sdi6R)

241 Constantine and the conversion of the Roman Empire

There is an Italian movie from 1961 called Constantine and the Cross with Cornell Wilde. I saw it once years ago I remember it as being not very good

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (auHtY)

242 Historical events I want to see movies about:

The Battle of Manzikert
Pyrrhus of Epirus
Peloponnesian War
The Reconquesta
Cortez's conquest of Mexico
Constantine and the conversion of the Roman Empire
Martin Luther
The Battle of Leipzig (ultimately more important then Waterloo)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2017 08:53 PM (aZq03)

You know they'll ruin Martin Luther by casting a white guy.

Posted by: Black Lives Matter at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (SSydb)

243 Why have so many of us seen so many drag movies, anyway?

Upper middle class NPR family / circle, here. I was dragged (no pun intended) to a lot of them.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 08:56 PM (6FqZa)

244 You know they'll ruin Martin Luther by casting a white guy.

Posted by: Black Lives Matter

My agent guaranteed me the role of the cathedral doors.

Posted by: Brian Dennehy at June 17, 2017 08:56 PM (5YBu8)

245 237 qdpsteve: The Spanish nobility at that time was so inbred, it's a wonder any of them survived.
Posted by: InfidelBob at June 17, 2017 08:54 PM (SmXFx)
---
Charles II's parents were uncle and niece to each other. Charles himself may have been impotent. One notes the Wiki segment entitled "Attempts at Offspring".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:57 PM (QGoUX)

246 "glen or glenda".

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 08:57 PM (WTSFk)

247 If you are into a little Terry Gilliam schadenfreud you need to watch Lost in La Mancha. A documentary of the Don Quixote movie that never was. Like watching a train wreck, can't get any worse. Whoops it just did.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 08:57 PM (I70qu)

248 FUN FACT: Edsel was named after the guy who ran the concession stand.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (+GtGJ)

The Corvette was named after a small apple core. Thats also where the color "Candy Apple Red" came from.

Posted by: Zombie Howard Zinn at June 17, 2017 08:57 PM (n3hky)

249 246
"glen or glenda".

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 08:57 PM (WTSFk)aka, "The Forbidden Question"

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:58 PM (EgOr3)

250 Peloponnesian War is a miniseries, not a movie. Unless restricted to the Sicilian Campaign I suppose...

I could watch a movie about Leo the Isaurian's defence of Constantinople. I know the morons here know about it (because I never shut up about it) but how many others?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 08:58 PM (6FqZa)

251 224 Ford named the car "Lincoln" because Lincoln was shot in Fords theater.
Posted by: Zombie Howard Zinn at June 17, 2017 08:47 PM (n3hky)

FUN FACT: Edsel was named after the guy who ran the concession stand.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (+GtGJ)

Another fun fact

Kingsford Charcoal started by Ford after finding use for left over wood from his model Ts . Used his cousins husband to help him find additional timber. His name was Kingsford.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (IDPbH)

252 Well, it's not the movies but . . .

let's get ready for Michael Phelps and something which is most definitely not the Olympics. For reasons which remain a complete mystery, the Olympic champion has agreed to hook up with the Discovery Channel and race a Great White Shark as part of their annual Shark Week celebration. (CNN)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (Nwg0u)

253 James Madison sez if he wants historical accuracy, he'll pick up a book. Yeah, about that...

One point being missed is that for many movie goers, this will be the ONLY exposure they get to historical occurrences. Lots of non-readers out there, and counting on educators to pass on the past is past for the most part. (Gee, didn't Oxford just change their Historian exams to take-home so moar wymyns could pass?)

Or gee once again, they could watch History TV and learn about the vibrant history of junk in American Pickers, The fabled stories of Aliens on Earth, or something called Mountain Men which may or may not include some Brokebacks.

The best you can hope for in storytelling is that essential values get a prominent role. Movies are storytelling.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (pXUyZ)

254 247 If you are into a little Terry Gilliam schadenfreud you need to watch Lost in La Mancha. A documentary of the Don Quixote movie that never was. Like watching a train wreck, can't get any worse. Whoops it just did.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 08:57 PM (I70qu)
--
Oh man, that scene where the equipment and set are washed away by the flood?

You feel sorry for the guy for having his movie shut down, but he's spending other people's money.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (QGoUX)

255 Historical events I want to see movies about:

The Battle of Manzikert
Pyrrhus of Epirus
Peloponnesian War
The Reconquesta
Cortez's conquest of Mexico
Constantine and the conversion of the Roman Empire
Martin Luther
The Battle of Leipzig (ultimately more important then Waterloo)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2017 08:53 PM (aZq03)

The Siege of Malta in 1565 would make an awesome movie. Incredible heroism as a small force of Knights Hospitallers held off massive attack by the Ottomans.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (+GtGJ)

256 Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (qJhU

Flooding affected "two berthing spaces, a machinery space, and the radio room
two berthing spaces, a machinery space, and the radio room,"

7 still missing. Potential bad news is that another statement indicates the missing sailors could be trapped behind damaged areas that can't be accessed yet. If that's the case, they probably didn't survive.

The statement hinted that the missing sailors could be trapped in the damaged area of the destroyer.

Posted by: Meremortal, ISIS IS CNN. at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (3myMJ)

257 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (KCxzN)

258 actually, Peloponnesian War would probably not be a mini series, come to that.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:00 PM (6FqZa)

259 the Olympic champion has agreed to hook up with the
Discovery Channel and race a Great White Shark as part of their annual
Shark Week celebration. (CNN)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (Nwg0u)
Big Candle's gonna love this one!

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:00 PM (EgOr3)

260 Oregon Muse is 3 years older than Ace?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 09:00 PM (Eynls)

261 Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (pXUyZ)

How many think they know about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone?

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:00 PM (IDPbH)

262 Hate to repeat myself but this is one of the best scenes ever filmed, certainly from a military perspective, doubt it is historically accurate. I love it anyway.

https://tinyurl.com/yc7k878y

Posted by: Javems at June 17, 2017 09:00 PM (yOqwj)

263 You know they'll ruin Martin Luther by casting a white guy.

Posted by: Black Lives Matter at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (SSydb)

His great "I Have a Dream" speech brought an end to the Thirty Year's War, and five years early.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 09:01 PM (+GtGJ)

264 "American Outlaws"

Stomped historical accuracy and threw it into the ocean.

Posted by: Marx Brothers at June 17, 2017 09:01 PM (HGnpK)

265 Lets see Ace is 29 so........................Holy Crap OM is 31!

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 09:02 PM (Ot7+c)

266 I looked up the man who played Don Quixote but I didn't know him. John Hurt or John Neville (Baron Munchausen) would have done well.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2017 09:02 PM (VdICR)

267 258 actually, Peloponnesian War would probably not be a mini series, come to that.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:00 PM (6FqZa)

Like to see it made based off of Steven Pressfield's Tides of War.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:02 PM (IDPbH)

268 Cortez's conquest of Mexico

Or the Spaniards' conquest of the last Maya holdout, Nojpeten.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:02 PM (6FqZa)

269 The great thing about movies about Stalingrad: it's nazis and commies killing each other so it's okay to root for a large body-count.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 17, 2017 09:02 PM (5YBu8)

270
Someone mentioned Michael Caine up thread. Even movies like Zulu had its historical inaccuracies. I read that Pvt. Hook was a teetotaler and model solider but the movie made him out to be a malinger and drinker. According to wikipedia his daughters (how old must they have been?) were so upset they walked out of the premier.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:02 PM (auHtY)

271 Oh, and I like Gladiator. Yes indeed, I am entertained.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2017 09:03 PM (pXUyZ)

272 The best! As well as Lee Marvin. You want to enjoy a movie? Watch Cat Ballou sometime.
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 08:38 PM (EgOr3)

Yup...Lee Marvin was the real deal. Shot through the ass and foot on Saipan which cut his sciatic nerve in half. He served in the 4th Marine Division.

Tough bastard.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 08:49 PM (5VlCp)

Paint Your Wagon. It's a really good flick, if you fast forward through the part where Clint Eastwood sings.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:03 PM (SSydb)

273 Was a movie ever made about Lepanto? Talk about one for the times...

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 09:03 PM (Eynls)

274 260
Oregon Muse is 3 years older than Ace?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 09:00 PM (Eynls)
Uh, you're on my lawn.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:03 PM (EgOr3)

275 I think Paint Your Wagon is the only musical I ever enjoyed.

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (e8PP1)

276 The Battle of Manzikert
Pyrrhus of Epirus
Peloponnesian War
The Reconquesta
Cortez's conquest of Mexico
Constantine and the conversion of the Roman Empire
Martin Luther
The Battle of Leipzig (ultimately more important then Waterloo)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2017 08:53 PM (aZq03)

Battle of Tours. 732 A.D. Charles 'the Hammer' played by Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (Ybs+3)

277 212 You may be thinking of First Officer Murdoch. He was at the helm when the Titanic hit the iceberg, and the movie later shows him shooting third class passengers trying to board the lifeboats, and then turning the gun on himself.

But the thing is, survivor accounts *did* tell of an officer shooting passengers rushing the lifeboats and then committing suicide. Was it Murdoch? We'll never know.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 08:46 PM (sdi6R)

======

I had heard that he was maligned so I was actually going to include him in the post, but then I researched it and there was enough of a gray area that I didn't feel confident enough to call out Cameron in it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (Jj43a)

278 Here's a movie that won't get made, but should: Adrianople.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (6FqZa)

279 The Battle of Lepanto would be a feel-good popcorn movie.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (sdi6R)

280 The Siege of Malta in 1565 would make an awesome movie. Incredible heroism as a small force of Knights Hospitallers held off massive attack by the Ottomans.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (+GtGJ)

--At least there's a doc:

https://youtu.be/_uhTtdFtmeI

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (GsAUU)

281 Lets see Ace is 29 so........................Holy Crap OM is 31!

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 09:02 PM (Ot7+c)

Heh. You're only 30 years off.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (Ybs+3)

282 How many think they know about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone?
Posted by: Jack Sock

The same number who know about nuclear power from China Syndrome.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (5YBu8)

283 Well, it's not the movies but . . .

let's get ready for Michael Phelps and something which is most definitely not the Olympics. For reasons which remain a complete mystery, the Olympic champion has agreed to hook up with the Discovery Channel and race a Great White Shark as part of their annual Shark Week celebration. (CNN)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (Nwg0u)

What's going to be even better is when Fonzie jumps over both of them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (auHtY)

284 The Siege of Malta in 1565 would make an awesome movie. Incredible heroism as a small force of Knights Hospitallers held off massive attack by the Ottomans.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (+GtGJ)

Good one!......that was a Knights Hospitaller outpost no?

Their cross is used by someone today. I can't remember who.

More tough bastards.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (5VlCp)

285 "Interesting fact: it's one of the few movies (apart from the favored fare in SF) that has no women in it as characters."

David Lean's _Lawrence of Arabia_. Women appear occasionally in the background. No female speaking parts.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (ujwCG)

286 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (QGoUX)

And they cast DQ and then ... he's not feeling too well.hmmm. Seemed to be cursed. Made Water World look like a fender bender.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (I70qu)

287 The Battle of Leipzig would be a fantastic movie, big battle, Frenchman left on wrong side of a bridge being blown up, swimming across the river some make it some don't.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (Ot7+c)

288
226
My vote for best actor in the last few decades is Gary Oldman.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (IDPbH)

You know who agrees with you?

EEEEEEVERYYYYYYONNNNNNNE!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (LLzS4)

289 Emperor Valens can be played by Paul Reubens.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (6FqZa)

290 275 I think Paint Your Wagon is the only musical I ever enjoyed.
Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (e8PP1)

My Father's favorite. I will admit I like the Sound of Music.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (IDPbH)

291 Paint Your Wagon. It's a really good flick, if you fast forward through the part where Clint Eastwood sings.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:03 PM (SSydb)

Just a bit of trivia..."Paint your wagon" was an old west sexual innuendo.

Posted by: Zombie Howard Zinn at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (n3hky)

292 139 "I was excited to see Heartbreak Ridge when it first
came out. I remember one of the first things I thought was, wait, when
did they move Camp Pendleton to North Carolina?

Posted by: Duke Lowell"

The marines that invaded the island were from Camp Lejune in NC. I was there.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 17, 2017 08:26 PM (w+Jhj)

-------------

My point exactly. I went to ITS at Pendleton and spent time at LeJuene. Movie was filmed at Pendleton, but was set in NC. Guess they didn't think anyone would notice.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (kTF2Z)

293 275 I think Paint Your Wagon is the only musical I ever enjoyed.
Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (e8PP1)
----
What about Team America: World Police?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 09:06 PM (QGoUX)

294 Also, a movie about the Hiss/Chambers brouhaha.

Extra irony points: The hero is Richard Nixon.

Therefore, this movie will never be made.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:06 PM (Ybs+3)

295 Paint Your Wagon. It's a really good flick, if you fast forward through the part where Clint Eastwood sings.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:03 PM (SSydb)

I worked for a while with a lady who had been an extra on the set. She said Lee Marvin wasn't acting he was drunk

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 09:06 PM (mkDpn)

296 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (LLzS4)

Hah! Good one.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:06 PM (IDPbH)

297 War and Remembrance is great count of WWIi with mostly fictional charters but plenty of real ones as well, Movie version was pretty good compared to most. good book sturned into mivies.

Finally slogged through Gone With The Wind a couple years ago, very long and detailed but worth it. Give great accounts of life in Atlanta during and especially after the war. Used to like the movie but after reading the book can barely watch it. It leaves too much out and tells only the highlights of the story.

Although Ashley is a deadbeat in both the book and the movie. I never understood Scarlett's attraction to him.

Posted by: Ripley at June 17, 2017 09:07 PM (NbRJx)

298
223
One of the funnier IMHO Wiki articles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 08:50 PM (eMKNe)

Even better is Alexander of Greece, King of the Hellenes.......died from a monkey bite. Seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_of_Greece

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:07 PM (LLzS4)

299 @281 OM

Holy crap, OM is an infant prodigy??

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 09:07 PM (Eynls)

300 Ugh, check spelling before posting.

Posted by: Ripley at June 17, 2017 09:08 PM (NbRJx)

301 All the poo-pooing about Gladiator does not matter to me.

It is my all-time favorite movie. I absolutely love it. If I am surfing the channels and come across it, I will watch it. I cannot help it.

Strength and honor...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at June 17, 2017 09:08 PM (eSGVk)

302 How many LIVs know that both Cervantes and Don Juan (*that* Don Juan) fought in the Battle of Lepanto?

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 09:09 PM (GsAUU)

303 Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (Sfs6o)

Will we know if our recipes have made the cut ahead of time or do we have to wait and buy the cookbook?

Not that it matters to me...I'm buying either way...

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:09 PM (/o9Qk)

304 No one's mentioned Amadeus yet? I have a similar reaction to that that TheJamesMadison has to Lincoln. It impugns someone for the sake of drama.

Imagine this: you devote your life to God (Salieri was a Catholic). Your overarching purpose in life is to bring glory to Him through your art. Then you time-travel a couple centuries into the future and discover that your name is associated with evil, hatred of God, and artistic mediocrity. Your life has been stolen from you and is being used to point people in the opposite direction. I am so offended at that. The film makers don't even care about the real people who's legacies they're destroying.

Maybe I'm over-reacting. It was still an awesome movie.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:09 PM (ynUnH)

305 I watched Blast from the Past for the 20th time today. The entire scene in the dance club is awesome.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:10 PM (IDPbH)

306 I think Paint Your Wagon is the only musical I ever enjoyed.
Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 09:04 PM (e8PP1)

The only flaw in that movie was Clint Eastwood singing.

Lee Marvin singing I Was Born Under a Wandering Star was pretty damned good. All the other songs too. Except for Clint Eastwood.

And, if I haven't mentioned this before, Clint Eastwood singing....nope. Just nope.

I think I'll watch it tonight. The movie...and I'll fast forward past the part where You Know Who sings.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:10 PM (SSydb)

307 I like movies about gladiators.

Posted by: Disgraced Ex-Prez'nit Joey at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (Tyii7)

308 Salieri. Skip to minute 1:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1bRATRhSeA

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (6FqZa)

309 Star Wars is my favorite historical movie.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (0mRoj)

310 All the poo-pooing about Gladiator does not matter to me.

Captain Blackadder: I can assure you, sir, that the pooh-poohing was purely circumstantial.

General Melchett: Well, I hope so, Blackadder. You know, if there's one thing I've learnt from being in the Army, it's never ignore a pooh-pooh. I knew a Major, who got pooh-poohed, made the mistake of ignoring the pooh-pooh. He pooh-poohed it! Fatal error! 'Cos it turned out all along that the soldier who pooh-poohed him had been pooh-poohing a lot of other officers who pooh-poohed their pooh-poohs. In the end, we had to disband the regiment. Morale totally destroyed... by pooh-pooh!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (auHtY)

311
Will we know if our recipes have made the cut ahead of time or do we have to wait and buy the cookbook?

Not that it matters to me...I'm buying either way...
Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:09 PM (/o9Qk)

Speaking of the cook book....are they still accepting recipes? I have two I'd like to submit, and would have done so already, but my computer died, and I'm just getting it back on it's feet.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (SSydb)

312 filmed at Pendleton, but was set in NC. Guess they didn't think anyone would notice.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (kTF2Z)

As was every scene on base in NCIS. It's all based on most people being geographically illiterate.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at June 17, 2017 09:13 PM (eSGVk)

313 I'm an ignoramus. The article was posted, not written, by OM? 15 when he saw Gladiator, so TJM is the elderly one. Amirite?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 09:14 PM (Eynls)

314
285
"Interesting fact: it's one of the few movies (apart from the favored fare in SF) that has no women in it as characters."

David Lean's _Lawrence of Arabia_. Women appear occasionally in the background. No female speaking parts.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (ujwCG)

Hell in the Pacific.

The entire cast is male. All two of them.

And considering that it's Marvin and Mifune, there's enough testosterone on screen to drown an army.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:14 PM (LLzS4)

315 Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:10 PM (SSydb)

Eastwood fancies himself as a songwriter/ composer. He's written songs for a few of his movies. I hope he realizes he can't sing.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:14 PM (IDPbH)

316 As was every scene on base in NCIS. It's all based on most people being geographically illiterate.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at June 17, 2017 09:13 PM (eSGVk)
Probably based on tax credits . . .

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:14 PM (EgOr3)

317 207 OT- sorry- has anyone heard news of the 7 missing sailors off of the USS Fitzgerald?

From what I read, the container ship collided right at the berthing spaces, including the captain's cabin. Since it was 2:30 in the morning, they were probably all in there. Captain was medevaced out.
Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 08:44 PM (qJhUV)

I'm pretty familiar with those ships, I've been on all of them on the East Coast, and I know two folks who have served in the past on Fitzgerald.

The most damage that you can see from the pictures is the Captain's cabin. Above is the SPY radar room. Below is a passageway ("Starboard Break") and a fan room. Below that is CIC. Below CIC is Radio. And below radio is Aux Machinery Room 1 (AMR1). The berthings are just forward of radio and AMR1. They probably can't make fresh water as all the equipment is in there. There is also an electrical generator in the space.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 17, 2017 09:14 PM (17QyB)

318 filmed at Pendleton, but was set in NC. Guess they didn't think anyone would notice.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2017 09:05 PM (kTF2Z)

As was every scene on base in NCIS. It's all based on most people being geographically illiterate.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at June 17, 2017 09:13 PM

Speaking of which hello from Fort Drum in Watertown NY, Home of the 10th Mountain Division

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2017 09:14 PM (fu//l)

319 Homer Simpson rents Paint Your Wagon

https://youtu.be/_W_g7_KJP_o

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2017 09:15 PM (VdICR)

320 I watched Blast from the Past for the 20th time today. The entire scene in the dance club is awesome.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:10 PM (IDPbH)

I love that movie.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:16 PM (/o9Qk)

321 re "amadeus":

more offensive for me was the portrayal of mozart as a childish but talented idiot.

he was a very serious artist who worked and worked and worked.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 09:16 PM (WTSFk)

322 For historical fiction, how about Apocalypto? That movie is so disturbing and so good. A man is stretched out on the sacrificial stone at the top of a pyramid and the priest's hands are already raised with the knife to cut out his heart. That's about as far removed from "I hope I can get back home" as you can get.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:16 PM (ynUnH)

323 Speaking of the cook book....are they still accepting recipes? I have two I'd like to submit, and would have done so already, but my computer died, and

I'm just getting it back on it's feet.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (SSydb)

The deadline for recipe submission is June 30th. Moose in the sidebar shoulda told you.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:16 PM (Ybs+3)

324 The most damage that you can see from the pictures is the Captain's cabin. Above is the SPY radar room. Below is a passageway ("Starboard Break") and a fan room. Below that is CIC. Below CIC is Radio. And below radio is Aux Machinery Room 1 (AMR1). The berthings are just forward of radio and AMR1. They probably can't make fresh water as all the equipment is in there. There is also an electrical generator in the space.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 17, 2017 09:14 PM (17QyB)

Quick question: How come the Fitzererald's Radar did not pick up the approaching Ship?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (fu//l)

325
316
As was every scene on base in NCIS. It's all based on most people being geographically illiterate.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at June 17, 2017 09:13 PM (eSGVk)

Kind of like how Korea looks suspiciously like Southern California in MASH.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (LLzS4)

326 Star Wars is my favorite historical movie.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (0mRoj)

MeTV is running Battlestar Galactica on Saturday nights. They took a few historic liberties but Maren Jensen and Laurette Spang more than make up for it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (auHtY)

327 ... just last week a mozart letter sold at auction in which he apologizes for not writing more often but he's busy, followed by a list of about 20 projects.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (WTSFk)

328 "Waterloo" with Rod Steiger as Bonaparte and thousands of Red Army troops as extras marching around in British, French, Dutch, and Prussian uniforms

accurate and classic

Posted by: name, rank, cereal # at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (ihtYN)

329 Hell in the Pacific.

The entire cast is male. All two of them.

And considering that it's Marvin and Mifune, there's enough testosterone on screen to drown an army.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

IMDB credits 1 female in Hell Is For Heroes.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (5YBu8)

330 Gymkata - historically accurate. CIA recruited gold medal gymnasts for black bag ops. Bart Connor washed out, that's why he is in another historically accurate film, RAD.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (I70qu)

331 The deadline for recipe submission is June 30th. Moose in the sidebar shoulda told you.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:16 PM (Ybs+3)

Oh good. I've got a bread recipe, and a soup recipe I want to submit. I've tuned/tested both once I saw the Moron Cookbook note.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (SSydb)

332 I watched a good movie this week, 'The Big Year', with Owen Wilson and Jack Black. I never would've thought a movie about a bird-watching competition could be funny or interesting, but TBY is both.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (Ybs+3)

333 As was every scene on base in NCIS. It's all based on most people being geographically illiterate.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at June 17, 2017 09:13 PM (eSGVk)

Every single ship they go on is actually the ex-USS Paul F. Foster (DD 964). It's the NAVSEA Self-Defense Test Ship that works out of Port Hueneme.

They picked that one because it has 4 electrical generators instead of 3.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (17QyB)

334 252 Well, it's not the movies but . . .

let's get ready for Michael Phelps and something which is most definitely not the Olympics. For reasons which remain a complete mystery, the Olympic champion has agreed to hook up with the Discovery Channel and race a Great White Shark as part of their annual Shark Week celebration. (CNN)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 08:59 PM (Nwg0u)

I imagine the reason is the number of zeroes in the check.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (cAnNx)

335
Emperor Valens can be played by Paul Reubens.

The Big Fapper

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (IqV8l)

336 (I also learned that Herman liked to paint his nails red.)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 08:19 PM (QGoUX)

Fuchsia, you naughty girl!

Posted by: Herman Goering at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (9q7Dl)

337 Kind of like how Korea looks suspiciously like Southern California in MASH.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (LLzS4)

I think there is Steven Segal movie set in Chicago and he's driving past palm trees.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (auHtY)

338 Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:16 PM (ynUnH)

Watch it everytime its on. I think it's Mel Gibson's best. I say that because I've stopped watching Braveheart.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:19 PM (IDPbH)

339
Lee Marvin singing I Was Born Under a Wandering Star was pretty damned good.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:10 PM (SSydb)

That was the inspiration for the song "Born Under A Bad Sign" by Albert King. (MLK's cousin)

Posted by: Zombie Howard Zinn at June 17, 2017 09:20 PM (n3hky)

340 I watched a good movie this week, 'The Big Year', with Owen Wilson and Jack Black. I never would've thought a movie about a bird-watching competition could be funny or interesting, but TBY is both.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (Ybs+3)

I was shocked one night when having nothing to do, I started watching TBY-

and enjoyed the hell out of it.

Very much an under-rated movie.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2017 09:21 PM (9q7Dl)

341 I liked The Big Year too. It was just a gentle movie that didn't try to do too much, but what it did it did well.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:21 PM (ynUnH)

342 332 I watched a good movie this week, 'The Big Year', with Owen Wilson and Jack Black. I never would've thought a movie about a bird-watching competition could be funny or interesting, but TBY is both.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:18 PM (Ybs+3)

Owen Wilson for some unknown reason is fun to watch. Came across Drillbit Taylor a while back and I really liked that panned movie.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:22 PM (IDPbH)

343 Kind of like how Korea looks suspiciously like Southern California in MASH.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (LLzS4)

And Parris Island SC in Full Metal Jacket was shot in Korea

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2017 09:22 PM (fu//l)

344 303 Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 08:55 PM (Sfs6o)

Will we know if our recipes have made the cut ahead of time or do we have to wait and buy the cookbook?

Not that it matters to me...I'm buying either way...
Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:09 PM (/o9Qk)
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Well that's a fair question, and the answer is I'm not sure. I think the intent will be to publish as many as possible and only make choices where absolutely necessary. Offhand, I can't think of any practical way to announce the contents ahead of time - and I think the fun will be in seeing all of the other Moron's recipes. I will tell you I have been surprised at the quality of the submissions!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:22 PM (Sfs6o)

345 I'm listening to the Salieri piece from comment 308. Very nice.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:22 PM (ynUnH)

346 Apocalypto is like Life of Brian, a vicious (and close-to-home) parody of the time period.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:22 PM (6FqZa)

347 Fuchsia, you naughty girl!

Posted by: Herman Goering

Stop painting your nails and get back to pricing bomber rentals, you sissy. We have a regional bi-election to win.

Posted by: Mr. A. Hilter at June 17, 2017 09:23 PM (5YBu8)

348 Kind of like how Korea looks suspiciously like Southern California in MASH.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (LLzS4)

Many alien planets visited by Kirk and Spock and assorted red shirts in ST:TOS looked very much like the Topanga Canyon in Southern California.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 17, 2017 09:23 PM (Ybs+3)

349 Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:22 PM (Sfs6o)

If you could mail confirmations, seems like you could mail out proofs so people could check their submissions for errors. Not that anyone ever posts here drunk or anything . . .

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (EgOr3)

350 Is the cookbook going to be illustrated?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (QGoUX)

351 Well that's a fair question, and the answer is I'm not sure. I think the intent will be to publish as many as possible and only make choices where absolutely necessary. Offhand, I can't think of any practical way to announce the contents ahead of time - and I think the fun will be in seeing all of the other Moron's recipes. I will tell you I have been surprised at the quality of the submissions!
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:22 PM (Sfs6o)

Question: Are the recipes being tested?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (SSydb)

352 Yeah, there were reasons Salieri was popular at the time. He really was good. If he was a "mediocrity" then we're all morons.

Oh, wait.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (6FqZa)

353 Quick question: How come the Fitzererald's Radar did not pick up the approaching Ship?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2017 09:17 PM (fu//l)[i/]

There are so many possible reasons I can't begin to speculate. There are two separate teams tracking contacts and verifying against each other at all times. If the contact was going to be within so many thousands of yards (estimated), then the CO should have been called. I don't know why that *appears* (info is very thin) to not have happened. I saw an AIS track of the merch and it made a 180 degree course change shortly before the incident. I'm sure that's a huge clue - it may be CIC and the bridge had them outbound and weren't paying attention to them anymore until it was too late.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (17QyB)

354 shit.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (17QyB)

355 Dumbo Drop!

Posted by: bunnyfluff the destroyer at June 17, 2017 09:25 PM (Wn7cp)

356 In all honesty, I have no idea how authentic and closely hewing to history "Zulu" is-

but it feels real.

It gives a tremendously good feel for the people in the movie and of that time period.

Zulus included.

The bravery of hard men has rarely been portrayed better on both sides.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2017 09:25 PM (9q7Dl)

357 Question: Are the recipes being tested?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (SSydb)
By actual Russians.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:25 PM (EgOr3)

358 hollywood's treatment of artists is usually a travesty. they're depicted as emotional and irresponsible.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 09:26 PM (WTSFk)

359 "Thief (just received today)"

Another film that bears little resemblance to the source material.

VERY entertaining nevertheless. That memorable score by Tangerine Dream. And the safe being burned into with a thermal lance.

The source material is worth reading, by the way. The memoirs of a bona fide pro cat burglar. You will think in new ways about securing your residence afterwards.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2017 09:26 PM (ujwCG)

360
Speaking of the cook book....are they still accepting recipes? I have two I'd like to submit, and would have done so already, but my computer died, and I'm just getting it back on it's feet.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:12 PM (SSydb)
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Yep! Deadline is 6/30 so there is plenty of time. Send them in!! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:26 PM (Sfs6o)

361 Is the cookbook going to be illustrated?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (QGoUX)

Fingers crossed for stick figures with boobs.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:26 PM (SSydb)

362 "King Rat" is a brilliant movie.

And partly based on Clavell's own experiences as a POW.

It feels very real and true to the people of that period.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2017 09:27 PM (9q7Dl)

363 "Wake Island", made while the war was still early, (1942?) was a good representation of the battle and life in a Marine rifle company just before and during the war.

An oldie but a goodie.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2017 09:27 PM (5VlCp)

364 Nevergiveup: uh, no.

Stanley Kubrick shot the entirety of Full Metal Jacket in England, in fact not very far from London and not far from where he lived in St. Albans. He hated Hollywood, moved to St. Albans in the early 1960s, was notorious for refusing to travel, and didn't even trust the safety of commercial passenger aircraft.

Dr. Strangelove and everything after it was at least 95% shot in England. If something *had* to be shot in the USA, like the opening credits sequence in "The Shining," Kubrick would actually write extremely detailed instructions to a third-party contractor and have them shoot it. For whatever reasons though, he just would not leave his neighborhood for any reason.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:27 PM (eMKNe)

365 The cook book should be illustrated. Like the late 60's Betty Crocker. It always reminded me of a Chuck Jones cartoon.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 09:28 PM (zEhzQ)

366 Not that anyone ever posts here drunk or anything . . .

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (EgOr3)

Well, I never...!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at June 17, 2017 09:28 PM (Id9+8)

367 Watch it everytime its on. I think it's Mel Gibson's best. I say that because I've stopped watching Braveheart.
Posted by: Jack Sock

I had an old British friend who was over here for a technical visit in 1997, and wanted to watch Braveheart in his hotel room on cable. He wanted to see how they mad a criminal into a hero (those were his words). I laughed.

My boss some years ago was British, and he didn't like "The Patriot" because it made the Redcoats look like Nazis. Like when they burned down the church with all the people in it.
Unfortunately for him, the British Army in the Colonies actually did do some really horrendous things.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at June 17, 2017 09:28 PM (S6Pax)

368 357 Question: Are the recipes being tested?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:24 PM (SSydb)
By actual Russians.
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:25 PM (EgOr3)
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They're being reviewed by a panel of experts - but it's not practical to make them all.

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:28 PM (Sfs6o)

369 I saw an AIS track of the merch and it made a 180 degree course change shortly before the incident

Yes I saw that...Big topic of conversation today but then it was amongst us Navy Medical Types so what the hell do we know? But I did hear the CO was not in good shape

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2017 09:28 PM (fu//l)

370 In the movie "Field of Dreams" a batter is brushed back by a pitcher, and says to the umpire, "Aren't you going to issue a warning?"

The umpire says to the batter, "Watch you don't get yourself killed."

That was probably historically accurate in the 1910 era.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 09:29 PM (sdi6R)

371 Torquewrench: thanks!!

I want to explore the films of Michael Mann, especially.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:29 PM (eMKNe)

372
365 The cook book should be illustrated. Like the late 60's Betty Crocker. It always reminded me of a Chuck Jones cartoon.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 09:28 PM (zEhzQ)
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That's actually one of the ideas and we will be looking for Moron artists to send in pen & ink drawings - send us an email if you're interested.

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:30 PM (Sfs6o)

373 It is raining cats and dogs here

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 09:31 PM (Ot7+c)

374 This might be too recent history, but I enjoyed Pollock with Ed Harris. I was amazed that Harris did all the painting scenes himself and that he had no experience. It spirals into destruction, like Pollock's life did. I enjoyed it, my wife loathed it -- although I think what she loathed was not the movie per se but the character of Pollock, which to my mind means Ed Harris did a bang-up job. (That's actually a play on words.)

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:31 PM (ynUnH)

375 They're being reviewed by a panel of experts - but it's not practical to make them all.

Whisk in 3/4 cup freshly minced chicken spleens.

Sounds legit!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:31 PM (SSydb)

376 The umpire says to the batter, "Watch you don't get yourself killed."

That was probably historically accurate in the 1910 era.
Posted by: rickl

Well, the joke is that all the people on the field are dead.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at June 17, 2017 09:31 PM (S6Pax)

377 Problem 4

Rb3?

Posted by: teej at June 17, 2017 09:32 PM (ezX5B)

378 It is raining cats and dogs here

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2017 09:31 PM (Ot7+c)

Barry O: It's raining men here!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:32 PM (auHtY)

379 @348 Many alien planets visited by Kirk and Spock and assorted red shirts in ST:TOS looked very much like the Topanga Canyon in Southern California.
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Or Vasquez Rocks, also in SoCal.

Posted by: junior at June 17, 2017 09:32 PM (Q6qiA)

380 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:27 PM (eMKNe)

Yup..oops your right... I thought I read it was in South Korea but your right in England...but I knew it was not Parris Island since in the MOvie there are all those open spaces LOL, which are NOT at Parris Island SC. Love the Base but it is pretty small

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2017 09:32 PM (fu//l)

381 It is raining cats and dogs here
Posted by: Skip

Be careful not to step in a poodle.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 17, 2017 09:32 PM (5YBu8)

382 Fingers crossed for stick figures with boobs.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2017 09:26 PM (SSydb)

Maybe our resident artist, troyriser, can illustrate it.

Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 09:32 PM (e8PP1)

383 "The bravery of hard men has rarely been portrayed better on both sides."

The scenes I recall are often the ones before the battle at the Drift is truly joined.

To wit: one of the Welsh redcoats stooping and running a handful of the local soil of Kwazulu-Natal through his fingers, and saying how dry and crumbly it is. "Nothing to hold a man in his grave."

In actual historical fact, Chard is reputed to have been one of the stupidest officers ever to serve in the British Army, and no, the Zulus did not let the garrison live out of respect for their courage. (They had wind of a Brit relief column nearby. Otherwise they would have exterminated everyone, as at Isandlwana previously.)

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2017 09:33 PM (ujwCG)

384 I can assure you that I have never posted here with any sort of chemical alterations, nor did I submit a recipe under such influence.

*quickly deletes dorito cheeto frito oreo cupcake pie*

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:33 PM (/o9Qk)

385 For whatever reasons though, he just would not leave his neighborhood for any reason.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:27 PM (eMKNe)
I totally get that.

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (EgOr3)

386 Bruce Beresford is a director who can make you feel like you're watching real life through a window into the past.

"Black Robe" feels like a documentary.

As does "Mister Johnson".

And a Good Man in Africa".

Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (9q7Dl)

387 Sorry, not prob 4.
Endgame of week

Posted by: teej at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (ezX5B)

388 247
If you are into a little Terry Gilliam schadenfreud you need to watch
Lost in La Mancha. A documentary of the Don Quixote movie that never
was. Like watching a train wreck, can't get any worse. Whoops it just
did.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 17, 2017 08:57 PM (I70qu)
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Yes, good film. Saw last week that he actually has wrapped shooting of the movie after 17 years: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybf9mqzq

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (ZcAbN)

389 a red English mail box is visible on the left side of the screen in "Full Metal Jacket" as the Marines go by singing "...Eskimo pussy is mighty cold"

so there's that...

Posted by: name, rank, cereal # at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (ihtYN)

390 Why in hell would a container ship make a 180 degree turn?

Posted by: Meremortal, ISIS IS CNN. at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (3myMJ)

391 374 This might be too recent history, but I enjoyed Pollock with Ed Harris. I was amazed that Harris did all the painting scenes himself and that he had no experience.
Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:31 PM (ynUnH)

--Is it really that hard to re-create Pollack's "painting"?

I think my five year-old could do that.

Posted by: logprof, with added covfefe and Macedonian content at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (GsAUU)

392

Maybe our resident artist, troyriser, can illustrate it.
Posted by: April at June 17, 2017 09:32 PM (e8PP1)
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Seriously - this is on our our to-do list - so if you have art skillz, raise your hand!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (Sfs6o)

393 Somebody up above mentioned "Darling Clementine" as the version of the OK Corral story as possibly being the most accurate version.

John Ford (who directed "Darling Clementine"), actually met Wyatt Earp before he died, and Wyatt told him the story of how it actually happened.
Don't know what that adds to the story, though. I read where Ford consciously changed some things in the movie rather than make it exactly what Wyatt Earp told him.

I think he did it out of respect for Earp.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at June 17, 2017 09:35 PM (S6Pax)

394 I'm watching Avatar: the last airbender. Not the M Night Shmyllmumamam one, the cartoon.

So far... pretty good. Kind of surprised it's all white guys and Jews writing this thing, they have a keen eye for Eastern / Siberian / Inuit shamanism

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 17, 2017 09:35 PM (6FqZa)

395 well gee, even history books can distort history. Movies portray an angle the producer wants, which despite departure from minutia facts, CAN (potentially) portray a bigger truth. But people know a movie is a producer's view.

Lincoln broke some laws, but was his usurping of such power via the federal government for the "greater good"? He was ready to send the free slaves back to Africa iirc, and Sherman acted like a terrorist conqueror. (I just happened to be listening to The Band, "The night they tore old Dixie Down")

Lincoln used the slavery issue, and perhaps that indicates the people's opinion was voiced, whether Lincoln fought for purely ideological reasons or not. Trump may have a point ... Jackson maybe would have worked it out without killing so many good Americans.

Sure, ending that version of slavery was good, but human trafficking is ongoing, and we don't care so very much now, as pedophile island reveals.

But revisionist history in books interprets facts and sets context, to the point alternative views are framed as wildly as a movie producer might "contextualize" his scenes. We know movies are by a producer, but history books that present "selective facts and selectively massaged context" are more insidious ways to distort "truth".

Truth ... is hard to come by. Our own programmed to bias brains distort it, even if we saw it.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 17, 2017 09:35 PM (O8hcu)

396 Nevergiveup, understandable error. :-)

I'm a Stanley superfan and have read his bio by Vincent LoBrutto, so I just happen to know a little bit more about Kubrick than others.

Apparently he could be childish too. There's a story that he once tried to reach someone at Macy's in New York on the phone, to do research about his last movie "Eyes Wide Shut." But he would always get hung up as soon as he said, "this is Stanley Kubrick" (which I can kind of understand).

Supposedly at one point the legendarily level-headed, logical Stanley, after getting hung up on about a dozen times, shouted out about Macys, "they employ retards!!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:35 PM (eMKNe)

397
390 Why in hell would a container ship make a 180 degree turn?

Posted by: Meremortal, ISIS IS CNN. at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM (3myMJ)
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Crazy Ivan!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:35 PM (Sfs6o)

398 I am making a boiled pudding right now to see if it is edible enough to include.

Yes, I make boiled puddings. I also own a pudding mold.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 09:36 PM (mkDpn)

399
374
This might be too recent history, but I enjoyed Pollock with Ed Harris. I
was amazed that Harris did all the painting scenes himself and that he
had no experience. It spirals into destruction, like Pollock's life did.
I enjoyed it, my wife loathed it -- although I think what she loathed
was not the movie per se but the character of Pollock, which to my mind
means Ed Harris did a bang-up job. (That's actually a play on words.)

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:31 PM (ynUnH)

I'll say this for Ed Harris. That worthless commie cocksucker is one hell of a good actor. Most of his characters are tough, self-reliant men, yet in real life he's probably closest to that effeminate sandal-wearing jackoff he plays in The Truman Show.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:36 PM (LLzS4)

400 --Is it really that hard to re-create Pollack's "painting"?

I think my five year-old could do that.

Really. An actual instance of "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks".

Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 09:36 PM (qJhUV)

401 398 I am making a boiled pudding right now to see if it is edible enough to include.

Yes, I make boiled puddings. I also own a pudding mold.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 09:36 PM (mkDpn)
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Look forward to seeing the recipe!! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:37 PM (Sfs6o)

402 "For whatever reasons though, he just would not leave his neighborhood for any reason."

If I haven't had to leave the house, it's been a good day.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:37 PM (ynUnH)

403 Peaches, yup. :-)

If *I* ever get to become a well-known director/writer, *I* intend to more or less demand I can shoot just about everything I can, right here in the Long Beach area. I don't understand why everything has to be shot in the San Fernando Valley.

Doesn't hurt that there's actually now actually a major studio facility in Downey, btw, right on Lakewood Boulevard. It's only about 10 miles from me.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:37 PM (eMKNe)

404 "Is the cookbook going to be illustrated?"

Well! I certainly *hope* so.

I sent in my rules of thumb for field-dressing long pig.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2017 09:38 PM (ujwCG)

405 "pollock" is actually pretty good and treats the subject seriously.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 09:38 PM (WTSFk)

406 What in the wide world of sports is a boiled pudding?

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:38 PM (/o9Qk)

407 Crazy Ivan!
Posted by: Weasel

His prices are so low it's bi-tzar!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 17, 2017 09:38 PM (5YBu8)

408 Submitted for your approval. The first few minutes of this episode of Have Gun Will Travel is interesting. Paladin buys premium ammunition.

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=kpqaLd7vPNM

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Real Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2017 09:39 PM (Nwg0u)

409 I also own a pudding mold.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 09:36 PM (mkDpn)

And I thought that I had heard all of the perversions under the sun....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2017 09:39 PM (rF0hx)

410 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:37 PM (eMKNe)

Dood . . . srsly, you're in LB? Loving this "finally summer" but still quite pleasant weather, aren't you?

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:39 PM (EgOr3)

411 What in the wide world of sports is a boiled pudding?

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:38 PM (/o9Qk)

Spotted dick

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:40 PM (auHtY)

412 Peaches, great weather. Heatwave right now. :-)

Gotta go everyone, sorry can't stick around. Hope to be back for the ONT.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2017 09:41 PM (eMKNe)

413 Watched the original Magnificent Seven last night. That's historical, right? My favorite historical movie is the Matrix. Its as accurate or more so since the Sound of Music was released.

Posted by: colfax mingo at June 17, 2017 09:41 PM (qJ+iT)

414 The words "boiled' and "pudding" next to each other make me feel queasy.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at June 17, 2017 09:41 PM (Id9+8)

415
Really. An actual instance of "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks".

Posted by: tu3031 at June 17, 2017 09:36 PM (qJhUV)

Oh, like Camille Paglia's literary criticism.

If you've read her books you know EXACTLY what I mean.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:41 PM (LLzS4)

416 Kindltot, I emailed you to ask about something in your recipe that got lost in the translation from website to spreadsheet to Word.

Thanks for sending recipes to us!

Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 17, 2017 09:41 PM (sBOL1)

417 Spotted dick

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:40 PM (auHtY)

I'm sorry to hear that.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:41 PM (/o9Qk)

418 "Edible enough" is also creating discomfort.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at June 17, 2017 09:42 PM (Id9+8)

419 >>>340 I watched a good movie this week, 'The Big Year'

the eagle scene is my favorite

Posted by: concrete girl at June 17, 2017 09:42 PM (eQi+Y)

420 Yes, I make boiled puddings. I also own a pudding mold.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 09:36 PM (mkDpn)
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Sounds vaguely British..

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:42 PM (Sfs6o)

421 Maybe CBD could illustrate the cookbook with famous paintings depicting food.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 09:42 PM (sdi6R)

422 Speaking of pudding, is my boy garrett around?

Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 17, 2017 09:43 PM (sBOL1)

423
411
What in the wide world of sports is a boiled pudding?

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:38 PM (/o9Qk)

Spotted dick

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:40 PM (auHtY)

I hear you can get a cream for that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:43 PM (LLzS4)

424 Spotted dick

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:40 PM (auHtY)

I'm sorry to hear that.
Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:41 PM (/o9Qk)
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Ha, DangerGirl! I don't know how the Brits keep a straight face about that food item, I really don't.

And there's nothing in this world that would make me try it, whatever it is.

Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 17, 2017 09:45 PM (sBOL1)

425 I have all sorts of other recipes I love, but none of them are my own, they are from cookbooks. So I'll be satisfied with the two I submitted that have been passed down by family.

I really look forward to seeing what the Horde has to offer.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:45 PM (/o9Qk)

426 How about head cheese?

Posted by: Jim S. at June 17, 2017 09:45 PM (ynUnH)

427 I hear you can get a cream for that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2017 09:43 PM (LLzS4)

You only use Cream if you get Eric Clap-ton

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:45 PM (auHtY)

428 Anyone else see The Accountant with Affleck? I don't know where Affleck got his inspiration to portray his supposedly semi autistic character but his acting was hilariously bad. And I never thought Anna Kendrick was that cute but she really looked bad in this movie and her acting was bad too. Good idea, very bad execution on everyone's part that made this movie. Of course just IMO.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:45 PM (IDPbH)

429 btw: paglia has a great interview that's recently made the rounds (instapundit and power line). after a fairly fallow period (imo) she's really sharp, insightful and articulate. recommended if you can find it (from last week).

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 17, 2017 09:46 PM (WTSFk)

430 Maybe CBD could illustrate the cookbook with famous paintings depicting food.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 09:42 PM (sdi6R)

Way ahead of you.

The cover has already been chosen:

"Naked Man On Ottoman Eating Spotted Dick."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2017 09:46 PM (rF0hx)

431 Ha, DangerGirl! I don't know how the Brits keep a straight face about that food item, I really don't.

And there's nothing in this world that would make me try it, whatever it is.

Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 17, 2017 09:45 PM (sBOL1)

It sounds extremely unappealing. I don't know why the Brits call things what they do. I mean Bubble and Squeak? I don't want to put that in my mouth either!

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at June 17, 2017 09:46 PM (/o9Qk)

432 Nope. Won't work.
Ra2 for check counter.

Posted by: teej at June 17, 2017 09:47 PM (ezX5B)

433 Way ahead of you.

The cover has already been chosen:

"Naked Man On Ottoman Eating Spotted Dick."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2017 09:46 PM (rF0hx)
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Thank God you are not on our committee.

Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 17, 2017 09:47 PM (sBOL1)

434 A boiled pudding is a sort of cake that usually has fruit in it. It generally has a lot of things like suet and molasses too, to make it extra tasty to 18th century tastebuds.

Figgy pudding, boiled baby, spotted dick are all boiled puddings.

Instead of baking it you put the mold or the pudding cloth into a pot of water and gently boil it for an hour and a half or so.
Setting up a pudding cloth is a lost art, I think.

There are a lot of recipes for this sort of thing, but they aren't much used any more.

I started researching them when I was looking into campfire cookery, since it is hard to hold coals at 380F, but boiling water is always right at 212F

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 09:48 PM (mkDpn)

435 "Looking forward to Lego Batman Movie coming to Redbox."

More or less dragged my husband to see it. He ended up laughing out loud at more of it than I did. Very cute movie. Lots of "references" only adults will recognize. Let's face it. When you're trying to convince people that an animated Lego figurine has a life and feelings the voice acting has to be good. It was. Will Arnett was great as Batman.

Posted by: Tuna at June 17, 2017 09:48 PM (jm1YL)

436 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2017 09:46 PM (rF0hx)

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Thank God you are not on our committee.

Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 17, 2017 09:47 PM (sBOL1)
Wait . . . CBD, the resident food dude, is not involved in this? WTH?

Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2017 09:48 PM (EgOr3)

437 *ONT is Nood*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at June 17, 2017 09:49 PM (6gk0M)

438 It's okay to eat spotted dick if you're on PrEP.

Posted by: SCoaMF at June 17, 2017 09:49 PM (5YBu8)

439 I still think the cookbook she be called

More On Cooking

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:49 PM (IDPbH)

440 @304

Yeah, love the movie Amadeus (great acting all around), but feel guilty for partially doing so at Salieri's unjust expense.

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2017 09:49 PM (ZcAbN)

441 I was going to suggest the naked silhouette mud flap girl on every page!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2017 09:49 PM (Sfs6o)

442 Why in hell would a container ship make a 180 degree turn?
Posted by: Meremortal, ISIS IS CNN. at June 17, 2017 09:34 PM
~~~~~

I have no clue about any of this, but the maps showing the container ships course is very strange and suspicious. Scroll down this article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40314128

Posted by: IrishEi at June 17, 2017 09:50 PM (HiDrR)

443 My nominee for best straight-up historical war movie: Tora, Tora, Tora.

Posted by: Gref at June 17, 2017 09:50 PM (AMIL/)

444 upstairs everyone

Posted by: concrete girl at June 17, 2017 09:50 PM (eQi+Y)

445 OT

If it hasn't been posted - there is a report the 7 missing sailors were recovered deceased inside the ship.

Posted by: Aviator at June 17, 2017 09:52 PM (/Nite)

446 Oh, and what I made was kind of dry. I need to make it with extra butter or something other than dry milk powder.

I was at the farmers' market today and a craft baker was selling somewhat small loaves of sourdough bread for $7.50.
Migawd. I may have to horn in on some of that action.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 09:52 PM (mkDpn)

447 Spotted dick

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2017 09:40 PM (auHtY)

Win the "Dead Pool" and you win one!

Posted by: Bob at June 17, 2017 09:53 PM (n3hky)

448 445
OT

If it hasn't been posted - there is a report the 7 missing sailors were recovered deceased inside the ship.

Posted by: Aviator at June 17, 2017 09:52 PM (/Nite)
Damn it! At least they can be given a deserved farewell and some closure for the family.

Posted by: Mimzey at June 17, 2017 09:55 PM (n3hky)

449 "For historical fiction, how about Apocalypto? "

Hell of a good movie.

Posted by: Tuna at June 17, 2017 09:56 PM (jm1YL)

450 the British Army in the Colonies actually did do some really horrendous things.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.

After which the Canadians named lakes after them.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 17, 2017 09:57 PM (H5rtT)

451 I just finished watching the Agent 9 FanEdit of Prometheus. Other than lacking that dramatic opening scene, which I guess he found unnecessary, I think it is a better cut. There must be a lot of deleted scenes in the DVD release because I swear a bunch of the stuff was new to me. So, he added and removed, making it tauter and interestingly, making Charlize Theron character much less evil..

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 17, 2017 09:58 PM (LTHVh)

452 Bluebell, I sent you a response: good catch on the pan diameter.

The second one, well, Open Office uses different unicodes for symbols than other programs.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 10:01 PM (mkDpn)

453 Blade Runner or China Town, which is muy mas macho?

Posted by: colfax mingo at June 17, 2017 10:02 PM (qJ+iT)

454 439 I still think the cookbook she be called

More On Cooking
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 17, 2017 09:49 PM (IDPbH)

Either that, or "It's a Cookbook!"

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 10:05 PM (sdi6R)

455 "... good catch on the pan diameter."

Just ask my Missus, she can tell you everything you need to know about diameter. ;-)

Posted by: colfax mingo at June 17, 2017 10:05 PM (qJ+iT)

456 I liked Das Boot.

Posted by: Catwrangler at June 17, 2017 10:05 PM (uG4GC)

457 Just ask my Missus, she can tell you everything you need to know about diameter. ;-)
Posted by: colfax mingo at June 17, 2017 10:05 PM (qJ+iT)

I typed a 6 and it turns out it is 8"

That's why the ladies are surprised.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2017 10:12 PM (mkDpn)

458 456
I liked Das Boot.

Posted by: Catwrangler at June 17, 2017 10:05 PM (uG4GC)

It was too short. Just about the time you get into the creaking and tight shots of worried, sweaty faces...it was over.

Posted by: Zombie Roger Ebert at June 17, 2017 10:14 PM (n3hky)

459 In sad news, actor Stephen Furst (Flouder in Animal House, and Vir Cotto in Babylon 5) has passed away at age 63.

RIP.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 17, 2017 10:15 PM (6n332)

460 My favorite history movie - Apollo 13.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at June 17, 2017 10:16 PM (THS4q)

461 @458 zombie

Sure you werent watching Das Booty?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 10:16 PM (Eynls)

462 460 My favorite history movie - Apollo 13.
Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at June 17, 2017 10:16 PM (THS4q)

Fun Fact: Flight director Gene Kranz never said "Failure is not an option" during the crisis, but he later used it as the title for his autobiography.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2017 10:19 PM (sdi6R)

463 34,
"Aw, I miss John Hurt. He was such a gleefully debauched and capricious Caligula in "I, Claudius":"

He really knew how to cure a cough.

Posted by: geoffb5 at June 17, 2017 10:24 PM (d3wbb)

464 Sure you werent watching Das Booty?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 10:16 PM (Eynls)

It could be. Things got weird towards the end. The bigger the hole got in my face, the more everything seemed pornographic.

Posted by: Zombie Roger Ebert at June 17, 2017 10:27 PM (n3hky)

465 87,
"Damn.... Flounder dead at 63..."

I always thought of him as Vir.

Posted by: geoffb5 at June 17, 2017 10:29 PM (d3wbb)

466 With the horrible exception of a massively mis-cast Meg Ryan,
"Restoration" was a good movie.

And agree that Beresford's 'Black Robe" is outstanding. One of my favorite scenes is the flashback in which the young priest, as a boy, arrives to serve Mass for a priest who's a returned missionary. He's missing some fingers and the side of his face is a mass of scar tissue. This obviously makes a deep impression on the boy.

Posted by: Sal at June 17, 2017 10:42 PM (hA4a+)

467 Rickl, I know of only two other inaccuracies in Apollo 13. A NASA "worm" logo shows up somewhere (should be the "meatball" logo), and when they are stacking the Saturn V, there's a big clang.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at June 17, 2017 10:59 PM (THS4q)

468 304 and 440:
The best thing I've ever read about Salieri is an aphorism/tweet by Aaron Haspel: "Salieri was better at music than you are at anything." True for 99.99% of readers.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at June 17, 2017 11:10 PM (iUcRI)

469 160 New additions to the qdpsteve movie library:

- Streets Of Fire

I watched that this week. Didn't care much for the movie, but the soundtrack was really good.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at June 17, 2017 11:11 PM (THS4q)

470 @464 zombie

Submarine pron is the pits

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 11:24 PM (Eynls)

471 Guys and gals, the Navy has announced that the seven sailors unaccounted for in the USS Fitzgerald collision have been located in the flooded berthing spaces.

They will announce the names of the fallen after official notification of the families.

Fair winds and following seas Shipmates.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 17, 2017 11:28 PM (tr2D7)

472 @471

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a n-anama

(Their souls be at God's right hand)

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 17, 2017 11:33 PM (Eynls)

473 I love reading historical fiction except most of it is utter crap. Christian Cameron has a great series that starts with "Killer of Men" Set during the Persian War. Cant remember the name of the series.

Posted by: The Oriental Muttsky at June 17, 2017 11:41 PM (/JjaB)

474 I like historical fiction, but only if it does not alter actual history beyond reason. For example, Inglorious Bastards and Hitler's death; I just don't get why anyone would write that ending. I'm less crazy about straight historical movies because of the inaccuracies. Of course, we often know less about history than we think we do; so some of our gripes are probably misplaced.

By the way, in the last Saturday movie thread, several people mentioned The Neon Demon. Thanks for that; I watched it afterward and really enjoyed it.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at June 18, 2017 12:06 AM (H5knJ)

475 The book Gone with the Wind (which, by the way, won the Pulitzer Prize) was based on Margaret Mitchell's decade of serious research into the actual history of Atlanta in the war years, and flavored by her recollection of the first-hand accounts of it all she heard when she was a child, and the old folks would reminisce about those dark days.

She was irked by the "moonlight and magnolias" genre of Southern antebellum romances, and wanted to tell a story about upcountry Georgians that was as realistic as she could make it. So she really hated the epigraph at the beginning (contributed by Ben Hecht, who'd of course never read the book, and assumed it was some spinster's [not!] Southern romance novel).

She was amazed and amused by Selznick's energy and his epic-length telegrams, but steadfastly refused to get involved with the movie, though she did lament to a friend, "I just know they're going to make Twelve Oaks look like Grand Central Station."

Mitchell had been black-balled by the Junior League ladies in 1920s Atlanta for doing a scandalous "Apache dance" in native attire, but she got her revenge when the movie premiered: they begged her to attend their costume ball, but she blew them off with some glee, and went to the movie stars' luncheon instead.

If you've never read it, the book is a feast: she's a damn good storyteller, and created a great gallery of vivid characters, with witty dialogue.

Posted by: Beverly at June 18, 2017 12:14 AM (NCbod)

476 Beverly, that reminds me, a retelling of the southern gothic novel/Eastwood film called "the beguiled" opens this weekend. Directed by Sophia Coppola. In interviews it is clear it is blatantly going to be changed to a ridiculous feminist SJW film, meh. But she made the actresses watch Gone with the Wind for research so at least there is that.

Posted by: LizLem at June 18, 2017 03:31 AM (xJrpl)

477 Wonderful topic! I love films that do their period research properly. When Terence Malick worked on New World, as an example, he even hired a linguist to help recreate the extinct Native American language. Pocohontas and Captain Smith as star crossed lovers, so historically accurate ugh. But it is so ingrained in our folk lore that I suppose it had to be there, though it's wrong. Apparently the VVitch is also a newer film that worked to get teeny details right.

But I like the OTT historical offerings too. I'm sure Leonidas never uttered "this is Sparta!" And kicked a guy into a pit but how poorer would cinematic history be without it in 300!

Worst historical innacuracy crime: not giving Kevin Costner an English accent in Prince of Thieves.

Posted by: LizLem at June 18, 2017 03:42 AM (xJrpl)

478 Although an exciting and well crafted movie, Argo was not well received by many Canadians because it totally minimized the role Canada played in caring for and rescuing the hostages. They completely eliminated Sheardown, who hosted most of the Americans. And the final scene at the airport is total fiction. Even Jimmah Carter admits the movie got things very wrong.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at June 18, 2017 08:03 AM (tVoI/)

479 It's not that they always get it wrong. It's that they (Hollywood) always get it wrong in a particular way: They have to drag people through the mud, they have to make men villainous and basely motivated.

I am noticing this more and more: I think the Hollywood crowd actually has some sort of ethnic or cultural hatred for the rest of the country. Maybe for mankind in general, but for our country specifically (which, I suspect, is what drives a lot of the 'white man bad, anyone else on earth good' plots.)

They can't bring themselves to believe or portray anyone from a nation that they despise as having any virtue or nobility that isn't tarnished. Nobody can be clean. Nobody can be good and human, because to them "human" means a bundle of animal impulses held in check only by tactical constraint.

Posted by: madrocketsci at June 18, 2017 08:47 AM (VF34g)

480 20 Master and Commander. They caught the books pretty well, except making Stephen Maturin somewhat of a liberal (ugh). The man was a spy. (Yes, I read them all, and am an 'ette. And straight. LOL).

But Stephen IS "somewhat of a liberal" - a disillusioned one, like Charles Murray today. (Wordsworth, Coleridge - there were many.) In his case it wasn't just the French Revolution, but the abortive Irish uprising which changed him.

O'Brian is very careful to have most of his action align with history. The Mauritius Command follows James's History very closely, with a few characters added. Graves's Claudius was another like that. Here the difference between a movie and a series made all the difference; the latter was much closer to the original. (Antonia was a bigger character in the TV series - largely because of the performance, I think.)

Me, I'm a stickler. BTW, both Chesterton and Waugh wrote on this. I don't recall the GKC title, but Waugh's is in "Why Hollywood is a Term of Contempt."

Posted by: George LeS at June 18, 2017 09:02 AM (+TcCF)

481 I've taken to reading more actual history lately. I've inherited some
amazing books from my grandfather: One of them is a memoir of one of the
Pattersons about his adventures in Africa. Victorian dudes doing Victorian things, in their own words.

It's amazing how much more impressive and less of a caricature people are when you read what they actually thought and how they actually acted. (In addition to being more impressive, they're also more sympathetic. Humanity and a sense of justice weren't invented in the 60's.) The contemporary fictionalization of history has made sock puppets of these men (and their philosophies and worldviews), for modern directors to work out their modern issues.

Posted by: madrocketsci at June 18, 2017 09:02 AM (VF34g)

482 I generally liked Lincoln. It had the most perfect ending I've seen in a movie. Unfortunately, the movie goes on for 6 minutes after that. If you've seen the movie you know what I am talking about.

Posted by: Walsingham at June 18, 2017 10:22 AM (wT2Y2)

483 Kingdom of Heaven demonized people like Guy because the director was trying to pander to Muslims. The plot and characters are absolutely terrible and the story it's trying to tell is mostly liberal BS. Was a complete waste of all those great visuals.

Posted by: Johnny at June 18, 2017 01:52 PM (su++8)

484 Very late to the party, but if you want a good depiction of the Korean War: Tae Guk Gi. Korean with subtitles. One of my favorite war movies.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at June 18, 2017 04:46 PM (eq0EU)

485 If your dad didn't like Gladiator because "no Spaniard would be named a Roman general", I hope he didn't watch last night's Doctor Who which depicted a gay sub-saharan African centurion and a Pakistani Roman centurion.

Posted by: sinbad at June 18, 2017 05:55 PM (w/p7Z)

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