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Progressivism Can Only Be A Parasite
Imzy.com (Conceptualized)Imzy has been described as a "social-justice kumbaya version of Reddit". I had never heard of it until dri posted a sidebar item announcing its demise after a little more than a year. And its investors took an $11 million bath. Started by former fired Reddit Vice President Dan McComas, Imzy was built on the idea of "safe space". McComas said that he wanted to give users a "nice" place to have "nice" place to discuss "nice" things without "being harrassed." It was supposed to be "a community forum product that was heavily moderated so as to conform with social-justice norms." In other words, it was an online version of The Village. And it failed. Imzy was an enterprise set up along explicitly progressive lines, and it flopped. I wondered why this progressive enterprise failed. Which led to wondering why most, if not all, progressive enterprises fail. In order to better understanding this, I believe C.S. Lewis holds the key. In his classic book Mere Christianity, Lewis spent some time explaining the nature of good and evil and the relationship each has with the other. He starts out by considering 'dualism', by which he means a philosphy wherein Good and Evil are two more or less equal powers in the universe that are at war with each other. Lewis, of course, rejects this view, and argues that it fails because evil really can't be a stand-alone entity, which is what 'dualism' would require:
Put it more simply still. To be bad, he must exist and have intelligence and will. But existence, intelligence and will are in themselves good. Therefore he must be getting them from the Good Power: even to be bad he must borrow or steal from his opponent. And do you now beg to see why Christianity has always said that the devil is a fallen angel? That is not a mere story for the children. It is a real recognition of the fact that evil is a parasite, not an original thing. The powers which enable evil to carry on are powers given it by goodness. All the things which enable a bad man to be effectively bad are in themselves good things-resolution, cleverness, good looks, existence itself. That is why Dualism, in a strict sense, will not workI remember first reading this almost 40 years ago, and it just made so much sense. And still does. He touched on this theme in The Screwtape Letters. Here is Screwtape himself railing against God:
He's vulgar, Wormwood. He has a bourgeois mind. He has filled His world full of pleasures. There are things for humans to do all day long without His minding in the least - sleeping, washing, eating, drinking, making love, playing, praying, working, Everything has to be twisted before it's any use to us. We fight under cruel disadvantages. Nothing is naturally on our side.(And I know this raises a question of why. That is, if the devil is borrowing strength from God just so he can sh* all over everything, why does God allow this to happen? This is an important question, but it is not my intent to go into it here. My point is merely to affirm the truth of what Lewis is saying, that it is impossible for evil to be anything other than a parasite. Evil can't really create anything new. Or, actually much of anything at all. ) And I think that progressivism's relationship to conservatism (AKA normal life) is exactly like evil's relation to good. Progressivism, like evil itself, is unoriginal, derivative, dependent, and basically parasitical. It can never be anything else. It is utterly dependent on something outside itself, usually something it was set up to oppose, in order to survive. In other words, in order to spit in God's face, the devil must first be allowed to sit in His lap.
Like the old USSR, which could only survive because of massive cash infusions from the West, and let's not forget how Lenin was forced to reinstate some aspects of capitalism in the 1920s in order to keep the entire country from going TU. And wonderfully progressive Sweden can only distribute generous welfare benefits to its surly and ungrateful immigrant population because of their dependence on North Sea oil and also because their defense during the Cold War was paid for by the United States.
Examples abound. French Revolution? Fail. Cuba? Fail. China? Massive fail. Innumerable little revolutionary socialist/commie collectives, syndicates, communes, conspiracies, claques, and movements? All fail. Remember Air America, the progressive alternative to conservative talk radio that was supposed to take the world by storm, and put those evil reich-wingers in their place? Yeah, me neither. The only progressive institutions that are operational didn't start out that way. Academia, the MSM, the Episcopalian Church, ESPN, the Nobel Prize Committee, the federal judiciary, AARP, all of those were simply co-opted by the progressives. Which is just more evidence that my thesis on the parasitical nature of evil (progressivism) is correct. But, I could be wrong. Can anyone think of any counterexamples, any thriving progressive institution that started out that way and remain true to its progressive roots? I can't, but I always could've missed something. OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one. And also those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to have. Any others? So Dan McComas blew it. He used the wrong business model. In order to establish a progressive hegemony, you just can't set one up from scratch because it will flop. No, he needed to have used the only progressive strategy that has thus far proved successful. To borrow the language and imagery of the inestimable Iowahawk, it goes like this: 1. Choose a target2. Burrow in
3. Hollow it out
4. Wear its skin And then walk around in it and demand respect. McComas' failure should serve as a warning to all progressives wishing to acquire unlimited power, that is, just sit tight. That's all you have to do. O'Sullivan's First Law is on your side.
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1st!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2017 12:32 PM (p+Wdc)
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Covfefe!
Posted by: Dick Poulin at May 31, 2017 12:33 PM (9/CHP)
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Be seeing you.
Posted by: dantesed at May 31, 2017 12:34 PM (88xKn)
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Cool, I'm 15 minutes in the future ... doesn't feel any different than normal though.
Posted by: Dick Poulin at May 31, 2017 12:34 PM (9/CHP)
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, still a Tigers fan at May 31, 2017 12:35 PM (1aMQH)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:36 PM (wtvvX)
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We no want you lound eye, white trash traffic any way. Go to Japanese restaurant.
Posted by: Ellen Pao at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (vRcUp)
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The problem with Scotland is that it's full of Scots
Posted by: Lord Sir Covfefe at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (D9inz)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (jxbfJ)
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Started by former fired Reddit Vice President Dan McComas, Imzy was
built on the idea of "safe space". McComas said that he wanted to give
users a "nice" place to have "nice" place to discuss "nice" things
without "being harrassed." It was supposed to be "a community forum
product that was heavily moderated so as to conform with social-justice
norms."
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So, Imzy is located inside that white bubble ?
built on the idea of "safe space". McComas said that he wanted to give
users a "nice" place to have "nice" place to discuss "nice" things
without "being harrassed." It was supposed to be "a community forum
product that was heavily moderated so as to conform with social-justice
norms."
====
So, Imzy is located inside that white bubble ?
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (C52a9)
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CS Lewis is one of my favorite writers.
You misssed his best quote:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
And he continues:
They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will: to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
Very very fitting in 2017, no??
CS Lewis is one of my favorite writers.
You misssed his best quote:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
And he continues:
They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will: to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
Very very fitting in 2017, no??
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (8XRCm)
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(willowed from last thread)
running jokes and memes
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 31, 2017 12:14 PM
And you know him? How!
running jokes and memes
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 31, 2017 12:14 PM
And you know him? How!
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (DMUuz)
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BTW, had Scott Pelley being kicked to the 60-Minutes curb by CBS News been discussed? Seems he used Rahm's brother to play hardball with CBS News a few years ago, and it came back to bite him in the ass.
Now that's schadenfreudelicious!!!
Now that's schadenfreudelicious!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (wtvvX)
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A Progressive will always give you the shirt off of someone elses back.
Posted by: Under Fire at May 31, 2017 12:38 PM (l4aLi)
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Ummm... Newsweek?
Oh, nope.
Wait i got it - espn? Oh, nope.
Progressivism does seem to fail upwards though just like their actors in the political world. While it utterly fails at tangible results that improve anything, the creep is still always one direction. A few years ago did you think the headlines of the day would be about which bathroom you choose? Now they're taken seriously.
Oh, nope.
Wait i got it - espn? Oh, nope.
Progressivism does seem to fail upwards though just like their actors in the political world. While it utterly fails at tangible results that improve anything, the creep is still always one direction. A few years ago did you think the headlines of the day would be about which bathroom you choose? Now they're taken seriously.
Posted by: Mst3k at May 31, 2017 12:39 PM (SbaWv)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 12:39 PM (C52a9)
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OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one. And also those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to have. Any others?
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No.
The still sell icecream for a profit.
Pretty sure their counter clerks or truck drivers arent making the same after tax income as ole Ben and Jerry.
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No.
The still sell icecream for a profit.
Pretty sure their counter clerks or truck drivers arent making the same after tax income as ole Ben and Jerry.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:39 PM (8XRCm)
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Great post OM !
Progressivism cannot take root in a freedom-less society.
See Saudi Arabia, Iran and former Soviet Union
It is a parasite that requires a 'healthy' host to permit it to flourish
Progressivism cannot take root in a freedom-less society.
See Saudi Arabia, Iran and former Soviet Union
It is a parasite that requires a 'healthy' host to permit it to flourish
Posted by: McCool at May 31, 2017 12:39 PM (KvRqW)
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For the children!
Posted by: Omnipotent Moral Busybody at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (mqHvU)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Roland THTG at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (QM5S2)
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Very very fitting in 2017, no??
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (8XRCm)
Yes. And thank you for that first quote, I've been looking for it to possibly use it in an upcoming post.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (8XRCm)
Yes. And thank you for that first quote, I've been looking for it to possibly use it in an upcoming post.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (pyNb1)
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I won't give you Ben and Jerry's, neither literally nor figuratively.
They sold out to Unilever like 20 years ago. The two guys are just figureheads now. It took a foreign multinational corporation to save this brand.
They sold out to Unilever like 20 years ago. The two guys are just figureheads now. It took a foreign multinational corporation to save this brand.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (eytER)
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My point is merely to affirm the truth of what Lewis is saying, that it is impossible for evil to be anything other than a parasite. Evil can't really create anything new.
That's part of Tolkein's Middle-Earth mythology, too, which makes sense since one of the many things he cribbed from was Christianity. Anyway, at one point in The Lord of the Rings, there's a whole thing about how Sauron or Melgoth or Lord Douchebag the Really Evil (I forget which Great Evil, and as big a fan as I am, the names are kind of silly) or whoever made orcs and trolls as twisted copies or parodies of elves and ents, respectively. It's actually a pretty cool part of the worldbuilding.
The other thing this made me think of is "The Revolution will eat its own" which was supposedly said about the French Revolution well before Robspierre was guillotined. But I guess the Left eating its own is different from organizations "evolving."
Air America failed because it had no purpose-- it filled no niche that wasn't already filled to bursting.
In conclusion, wow am I bored.
That's part of Tolkein's Middle-Earth mythology, too, which makes sense since one of the many things he cribbed from was Christianity. Anyway, at one point in The Lord of the Rings, there's a whole thing about how Sauron or Melgoth or Lord Douchebag the Really Evil (I forget which Great Evil, and as big a fan as I am, the names are kind of silly) or whoever made orcs and trolls as twisted copies or parodies of elves and ents, respectively. It's actually a pretty cool part of the worldbuilding.
The other thing this made me think of is "The Revolution will eat its own" which was supposedly said about the French Revolution well before Robspierre was guillotined. But I guess the Left eating its own is different from organizations "evolving."
Air America failed because it had no purpose-- it filled no niche that wasn't already filled to bursting.
In conclusion, wow am I bored.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (u0s1P)
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That would be telling.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 31, 2017 12:41 PM (Yi9Gb)
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Cool, I'm 15 minutes in the future ... doesn't feel any different than normal though.
Say hi to Max Headroom if you see him.
Say hi to Max Headroom if you see him.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:41 PM (u0s1P)
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and let's not forget how Lenin was forced to reinstate some aspects of
capitalism in the 1920s in order to keep the entire country from going
TU.
According to the AoSHQ StyleBook, shouldn't that be EU (Elbows Up)?
(The inference of applicability to today's EU is left to the reader.)
capitalism in the 1920s in order to keep the entire country from going
TU.
According to the AoSHQ StyleBook, shouldn't that be EU (Elbows Up)?
(The inference of applicability to today's EU is left to the reader.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2017 12:41 PM (DMUuz)
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I think Ben and Jerry's was pure capitalism. A sound and basic business model. They made a profit.
They just went on to make enough money to wrap themselves in prog BS.
They just went on to make enough money to wrap themselves in prog BS.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:41 PM (0tfLf)
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Too much Oregon and not enough Muse.
Posted by: BillH at May 31, 2017 12:42 PM (JtV50)
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Your main problem might be when the first time most people hear about your company is when they find out it's going out of business.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 31, 2017 12:42 PM (qJhUV)
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it was Melkor who "made" the Orcs. the elf Feanor (himself a colossal dick) renamed him Morgoth.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 31, 2017 12:42 PM (nghAH)
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Orcs are the darkness' mockery of Elves.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Climb to New Heights! The Outrage Outlet has AtC Signature Series Step-Stools! at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (hLRSq)
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OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one.
The thing with Ben and Jerry is that they were smart enough to sell out to eeeeevil multinational conglomerate Unilever long before their progressive jackassery built up to critical mass and killed the brand. Any success for BnJ over the nearly 20 years since then is almost certainly due to the economies of scale that a huge corporation can command.
OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one.
The thing with Ben and Jerry is that they were smart enough to sell out to eeeeevil multinational conglomerate Unilever long before their progressive jackassery built up to critical mass and killed the brand. Any success for BnJ over the nearly 20 years since then is almost certainly due to the economies of scale that a huge corporation can command.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (XWkhW)
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C.S. Lewis was brilliant in so many ways. If it were possible to argue people into Christianity, he would be the one that did it.
"Progressivism" has always been with us, its ultimately selfish and childish, that part of us that always has been there wanting the easy road, to be treated nice, and to think that if you "live the way you want the world to be" then things will be better and we can fix everything. Its deeply arrogant, presuming we can fix it all and make paradise. Its childish in its understanding of the world.
"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring them "privileged."
"Progressivism" has always been with us, its ultimately selfish and childish, that part of us that always has been there wanting the easy road, to be treated nice, and to think that if you "live the way you want the world to be" then things will be better and we can fix everything. Its deeply arrogant, presuming we can fix it all and make paradise. Its childish in its understanding of the world.
"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring them "privileged."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (39g3+)
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Nearly everything that distributes "news" has been taken over by the liberals and communists. The internet is the last news source that conservatives still have which is why the left wanted that internet control act so bad. Obama put it in as a regulation and Trump has taken it out it out the same way.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (mpXpK)
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Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:37 PM (8XRCm)
More.... if we are judged by our actions... if there is a Heaven and Hell...
Then Judgement is a necessary component of being good... and you must be free to CHOOSE one path or the other...
For otherwise, how could we be held accountable...
So, if someone is FORCED to be good, by threat of violence... is he actually Good? As he has not freely chosen that path?
More.... if we are judged by our actions... if there is a Heaven and Hell...
Then Judgement is a necessary component of being good... and you must be free to CHOOSE one path or the other...
For otherwise, how could we be held accountable...
So, if someone is FORCED to be good, by threat of violence... is he actually Good? As he has not freely chosen that path?
Posted by: Don Q, singing the Song of Angry Men at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (NgKpN)
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Too much Oregon and not enough Muse.
Posted by: BillH at May 31, 2017 12:42 PM (JtV50)
Huh. This is an interesting remark.
Posted by: BillH at May 31, 2017 12:42 PM (JtV50)
Huh. This is an interesting remark.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (pyNb1)
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I think Ben and Jerry's was pure capitalism. A sound and basic business model. They made a profit.
They just went on to make enough money to wrap themselves in prog BS.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:41 PM (0tfLf)
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Which, again, proves Fixers Corollary
"Said Socialists will ALWAYS be Capitalists when it comes to their own shit."
They just went on to make enough money to wrap themselves in prog BS.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:41 PM (0tfLf)
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Which, again, proves Fixers Corollary
"Said Socialists will ALWAYS be Capitalists when it comes to their own shit."
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (nghAH)
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OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one. And also
those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to
have. Any others?
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No.
The still sell icecream for a profit.
Pretty sure their counter clerks or truck drivers arent making the same after tax income as ole Ben and Jerry.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:39 PM (8XRCm)
Of course, Ben Jerry (the founders) sold their company to Unilever for over $320 million in 2000. How very capitalistic.
OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one. And also
those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to
have. Any others?
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No.
The still sell icecream for a profit.
Pretty sure their counter clerks or truck drivers arent making the same after tax income as ole Ben and Jerry.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 12:39 PM (8XRCm)
Of course, Ben Jerry (the founders) sold their company to Unilever for over $320 million in 2000. How very capitalistic.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (jxbfJ)
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Progressivism is much like islam in that regard.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (7HtZB)
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Who is Number 1?
You are Number 6.
I AM NOT A NUMBER!! I AM A FREE MAN!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM
Bettah to be Numbah One than Numbah Ten Thousand!
You are Number 6.
I AM NOT A NUMBER!! I AM A FREE MAN!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM
Bettah to be Numbah One than Numbah Ten Thousand!
Posted by: Master Po at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (DMUuz)
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>>>And I know this raises a question of why. That is, if the devil is borrowing strength from God just so he can sh* all over everything, why does God allow this to happen?
This question isn't as difficult as most imagine it. God allows the free choice for evil so there can exist a genuine free choice for good. The possibility is a logical consequence of freedom; And freedom to choose is a logical necessity of true love.
This question isn't as difficult as most imagine it. God allows the free choice for evil so there can exist a genuine free choice for good. The possibility is a logical consequence of freedom; And freedom to choose is a logical necessity of true love.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (6rfWc)
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Ben & Jerry's was a bit of clever marketing: "we give 1% of our profits to PEACE so you don't have to feel guilty about paying five bucks for a scoop of chilled butterfat and sugar!"
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 31, 2017 12:45 PM (wokl9)
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Progressivism is inherently coercive, for openers.
It's Will to Power is inherently corrosive of traits like honesty and openness. It always ends in plots and privileged Inner Circles, dominated by a tyrant.
And it leads to planned economies, which are always sub-optimal at actually getting things done, and which impede true economic progress (which so often depends on exploiting unplanned for discoveries).
It's Will to Power is inherently corrosive of traits like honesty and openness. It always ends in plots and privileged Inner Circles, dominated by a tyrant.
And it leads to planned economies, which are always sub-optimal at actually getting things done, and which impede true economic progress (which so often depends on exploiting unplanned for discoveries).
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 31, 2017 12:45 PM (+7/1f)
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I will not be pushed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
Is it?
I will not be pushed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
Is it?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 31, 2017 12:45 PM (493sH)
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31 it was Melkor who "made" the Orcs. the elf Feanor (himself a colossal dick) renamed him Morgoth.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 31, 2017 12:42 PM (nghAH)
That's right. the name Feanor itself means "colossal dick" in old Elvish.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 31, 2017 12:42 PM (nghAH)
That's right. the name Feanor itself means "colossal dick" in old Elvish.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 12:45 PM (pyNb1)
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The only progressive institutions that are operational didn't start out that way. Academia, the MSM, the Episcopalian Church, ESPN, the Nobel Prize Committee, the federal judiciary, AARP, all of those were simply co-opted by the progressives. Which is just more evidence that my thesis on the parasitical nature of evil (progressivism) is correct.
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No, I think you're right. The Gramscian model is a model of infestation. The same thing spreads from institution to institution absorbing it to its cause, and taking little of any pre-existing instrumentality of the structure itself. It refuses to learn, it just wants to burrow the hollow academics of Marxism from structure to structure.
And the goal is power. Power to override the discretion of people who are "wrong" and institute the "proper" order.
Now, it does mutate slightly, Gramscianism itself is a mutation of Marxism into "Cultural Marxism" of the Frankfort School.
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No, I think you're right. The Gramscian model is a model of infestation. The same thing spreads from institution to institution absorbing it to its cause, and taking little of any pre-existing instrumentality of the structure itself. It refuses to learn, it just wants to burrow the hollow academics of Marxism from structure to structure.
And the goal is power. Power to override the discretion of people who are "wrong" and institute the "proper" order.
Now, it does mutate slightly, Gramscianism itself is a mutation of Marxism into "Cultural Marxism" of the Frankfort School.
Posted by: Axeman at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (2mC6G)
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In other words, in order to spit in God's face, the devil must first be allowed to sit in His lap.
Nice one.
Nice one.
Posted by: Cornelius Van Til at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (vRcUp)
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"And wonderfully progressive Sweden can only distribute generous welfare benefits to its surly and ungrateful immigrant population because of their dependence on North Sea oil and also because their defense during the Cold War was paid for by the United States."
Sweden? Don't you mean Norway?
Sweden? Don't you mean Norway?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Climb to New Heights! The Outrage Outlet has AtC Signature Series Step-Stools! at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (hLRSq)
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it was Melkor who "made" the Orcs. the elf Feanor (himself a colossal dick) renamed him Morgoth.
OK. I didn't think it was Sauron, but I didn't remember. (And as I said-- really, J.R.R.? You have two antagonists, and you named them Sauron and Saruman? How does that help?)
Another thing I like, at least in theory, is how the Elves are good guys, but also generally arrogant jerks and d-bags.
I dunno, that kind of nuance is fun. (I guess part of Why is because they're immortal, so they have a different perspective?)
OK. I didn't think it was Sauron, but I didn't remember. (And as I said-- really, J.R.R.? You have two antagonists, and you named them Sauron and Saruman? How does that help?)
Another thing I like, at least in theory, is how the Elves are good guys, but also generally arrogant jerks and d-bags.
I dunno, that kind of nuance is fun. (I guess part of Why is because they're immortal, so they have a different perspective?)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (u0s1P)
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But, I could be wrong. Can anyone think of any counterexamples, any
thriving progressive institution that started out that way and remain
true to its progressive roots? I can't, but I always could've missed
something.
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OM , I immediately thought FacebookAmazonGoogleTwitter.
But I think that "remaining true to progressive roots" would have to be defined as "caving to SJWs publicly while jacking up prices/profit margin privately".
thriving progressive institution that started out that way and remain
true to its progressive roots? I can't, but I always could've missed
something.
===
OM , I immediately thought FacebookAmazonGoogleTwitter.
But I think that "remaining true to progressive roots" would have to be defined as "caving to SJWs publicly while jacking up prices/profit margin privately".
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (C52a9)
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It's one big crime racket.
No other honest way to describe it.
No other honest way to describe it.
Posted by: navybrat at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (w7KSn)
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Who is Number 1?
You are Number 6.
I AM NOT A NUMBER!! I AM A FREE MAN!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7LH__BPqSY
You are Number 6.
I AM NOT A NUMBER!! I AM A FREE MAN!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7LH__BPqSY
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (7HtZB)
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Trump was the "robber baron" choice in the last election.
Hillary was the omnipotent busybody (moral in the Social Justice sense only).
Hillary was the omnipotent busybody (moral in the Social Justice sense only).
Posted by: wooga at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (mqHvU)
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Your four steps are exactly what happened to the Hugos.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (XOKuH)
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42 Who is Number 1?
You are Number 6.
I AM NOT A NUMBER!! I AM A FREE MAN!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM
Bettah to be Numbah One than Numbah Ten Thousand!
Posted by: Master Po at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (DMUuz)
With number 8 you get egg roll....
You are Number 6.
I AM NOT A NUMBER!! I AM A FREE MAN!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM
Bettah to be Numbah One than Numbah Ten Thousand!
Posted by: Master Po at May 31, 2017 12:44 PM (DMUuz)
With number 8 you get egg roll....
Posted by: Don Q, singing the Song of Angry Men at May 31, 2017 12:47 PM (NgKpN)
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Air America failed because it had no purpose-- it filled no niche that wasn't already filled to bursting.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (u0s1P)
I think Air America also failed in part due to the Balkanization of the Left, which comprises a whole series of groups who have diametrically opposed agendas, each of which the Left supports.
They get away with doing this by telling each group what it wants to hear, out of earshot of the others (e.g., eco-nuts and blue collar union men).
But that's impossible when you are broadcasting. So Air America had to broadcast pablum that engaged none of their constituencies, and bored everyone.
It was also very NY-centric, at least in the short time I listened to it. Talking about "stoops" and where you can let your dog relieve himself in Manhattan. Which is great, I guess, if you live in NYC, but pointlessly boring if you live anywhere else.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:40 PM (u0s1P)
I think Air America also failed in part due to the Balkanization of the Left, which comprises a whole series of groups who have diametrically opposed agendas, each of which the Left supports.
They get away with doing this by telling each group what it wants to hear, out of earshot of the others (e.g., eco-nuts and blue collar union men).
But that's impossible when you are broadcasting. So Air America had to broadcast pablum that engaged none of their constituencies, and bored everyone.
It was also very NY-centric, at least in the short time I listened to it. Talking about "stoops" and where you can let your dog relieve himself in Manhattan. Which is great, I guess, if you live in NYC, but pointlessly boring if you live anywhere else.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 12:47 PM (SRKgf)
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Well of course "progressives" are the dread lampreys of existence... they are not for anything, but merely against most everything-
in order to exist they need to oppose and take, as they never had and never will have anything to PROpose and give.
That raggedy unfunny hag Griffin is your current example- no ability, mud fence ugly, composed of nearly pure antihumorum, and possessing no talent whatsoever that anyone would care to pay attention to.
To combat this, she aped the worst people in the freaking world and staged a photo holding the severed head of a sitting US President- in short, this cockroach took a vile dump on the sensibilities of about 60 million or so voters in this country.
Identity through the opposition of something better than herself. Not identity based on intrinsic value, or ability, or admirable trait. In short, a leech. A parasite. A diseased tick on the body of humanity.
But oh...artistry. Satire. Uh huh.
Can only hope this miserable hack bitch lives a long, unpleasant remainder of life either being unknown, or recognized and actively/loudly hated.
in order to exist they need to oppose and take, as they never had and never will have anything to PROpose and give.
That raggedy unfunny hag Griffin is your current example- no ability, mud fence ugly, composed of nearly pure antihumorum, and possessing no talent whatsoever that anyone would care to pay attention to.
To combat this, she aped the worst people in the freaking world and staged a photo holding the severed head of a sitting US President- in short, this cockroach took a vile dump on the sensibilities of about 60 million or so voters in this country.
Identity through the opposition of something better than herself. Not identity based on intrinsic value, or ability, or admirable trait. In short, a leech. A parasite. A diseased tick on the body of humanity.
But oh...artistry. Satire. Uh huh.
Can only hope this miserable hack bitch lives a long, unpleasant remainder of life either being unknown, or recognized and actively/loudly hated.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, still a Tigers fan at May 31, 2017 12:47 PM (1aMQH)
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OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one. And also
those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to
have. Any others?
Again, though, those are regressive businesses that have co-opted otherwise good, normal things.
Ice cream is good. People like it.
Capitalism is good. It raises people out of poverty.
Newspapers are good (or were, before they all tilted left of Castro). They provide information and opinion.
People don't buy Ben and Jerry's for the proggy politics; they buy it because it tastes good. And Ben and Jerry can make those proggy statements because selling tasty ice cream has made them enough money that they can afford to take any hit in sales they MIGHT endure from doing so.
And as for the alternative newspapers, well, they saw a niche in the market and they pounced. Even if they're free, that's still employing a capitalist idea to disseminate a product. You might not get money, but you get a voice. Sometimes that's all you need to get the REAL prize: power.
those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to
have. Any others?
Again, though, those are regressive businesses that have co-opted otherwise good, normal things.
Ice cream is good. People like it.
Capitalism is good. It raises people out of poverty.
Newspapers are good (or were, before they all tilted left of Castro). They provide information and opinion.
People don't buy Ben and Jerry's for the proggy politics; they buy it because it tastes good. And Ben and Jerry can make those proggy statements because selling tasty ice cream has made them enough money that they can afford to take any hit in sales they MIGHT endure from doing so.
And as for the alternative newspapers, well, they saw a niche in the market and they pounced. Even if they're free, that's still employing a capitalist idea to disseminate a product. You might not get money, but you get a voice. Sometimes that's all you need to get the REAL prize: power.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 31, 2017 12:47 PM (4df7R)
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OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one. And also those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to have. Any others?
Coming up with a new version of a business type with a well established and proven viability is hardly a progressive triumph.
I think they kept their salary range within a multiple from high to low. That's not a terrible idea, and if you start with the baseline budget for for salary cost and can manage to pay everyone something that falls within a range that works for the marketplace, then you are still playing the capitalism game as far as I can tell.
Coming up with a new version of a business type with a well established and proven viability is hardly a progressive triumph.
I think they kept their salary range within a multiple from high to low. That's not a terrible idea, and if you start with the baseline budget for for salary cost and can manage to pay everyone something that falls within a range that works for the marketplace, then you are still playing the capitalism game as far as I can tell.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 31, 2017 12:48 PM (yL25O)
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I could give two ***** about a businesses politics most of the time.
If you're in business, you must make a profit to survive and that's just capitalism.
Who am I to say where you can (legally) spend your profits? That's your freedom.
But... BJ is the one solitary company that I can swear to being able to avoid for my entire life. Even after they "sold out to the man", nary an ounce of that tainted Vermont cream has been consumed by me.
If you're in business, you must make a profit to survive and that's just capitalism.
Who am I to say where you can (legally) spend your profits? That's your freedom.
But... BJ is the one solitary company that I can swear to being able to avoid for my entire life. Even after they "sold out to the man", nary an ounce of that tainted Vermont cream has been consumed by me.
Posted by: IP at May 31, 2017 12:48 PM (UmSfZ)
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C.S. Lewis is always relevant.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (6JL3d)
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Starbucks CEO is concerned that PDT is disturbing his
customers social-justice kumbaya vibe. His customers will never realize total consciousness and become one with the espresso bean because....PDT chaos.
customers social-justice kumbaya vibe. His customers will never realize total consciousness and become one with the espresso bean because....PDT chaos.
Posted by: Under Fire at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (l4aLi)
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1. Choose a target
2. Burrow in
3. Hollow it out
4. Wear its skin
And then walk around in it and demand respect.
Worked for me, right up until the unfortunate accident at the end.
2. Burrow in
3. Hollow it out
4. Wear its skin
And then walk around in it and demand respect.
Worked for me, right up until the unfortunate accident at the end.
Posted by: Edgar the Bug at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (DMUuz)
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Nearly everything that distributes "news" has been taken over by the liberals and communists.
******
Yes. Very true. A decision made in the late 50's in Moscow to do exactly this. The Sovs built more than one "American community" in which to train their agents to be American.
They had specific targets and media (the organs of control) was at the top of the list.
Blackmail the powerful, the owners, the media people. Control them. Move among them.
And 60 years later here we are.
******
Yes. Very true. A decision made in the late 50's in Moscow to do exactly this. The Sovs built more than one "American community" in which to train their agents to be American.
They had specific targets and media (the organs of control) was at the top of the list.
Blackmail the powerful, the owners, the media people. Control them. Move among them.
And 60 years later here we are.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (0tfLf)
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Another thing I like, at least in theory, is how the Elves are good guys, but also generally arrogant jerks and d-bags.
I dunno, that kind of nuance is fun. (I guess part of Why is because they're immortal, so they have a different perspective?)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (u0s1P)
Pretty much every race in Middle Earth were douchebags in some way. The dwarves were greedy, the hobbits were hopelessly naive and unserious, men were only interested in power for power's sake etc.
Another thing I like, at least in theory, is how the Elves are good guys, but also generally arrogant jerks and d-bags.
I dunno, that kind of nuance is fun. (I guess part of Why is because they're immortal, so they have a different perspective?)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:46 PM (u0s1P)
Pretty much every race in Middle Earth were douchebags in some way. The dwarves were greedy, the hobbits were hopelessly naive and unserious, men were only interested in power for power's sake etc.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (XWkhW)
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So many good points in a single post ! Thanks, OM !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 31, 2017 12:50 PM (yV8pG)
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Which, again, proves Fixers Corollary
"Said Socialists will ALWAYS be Capitalists when it comes to their own shit."
Sure, that's what the "grade equality" thing was about last night. When it comes to affect them personally, people reject that redistribution crap. From OTHERS, sure. From them? No.
Which, again, proves Fixers Corollary
"Said Socialists will ALWAYS be Capitalists when it comes to their own shit."
Sure, that's what the "grade equality" thing was about last night. When it comes to affect them personally, people reject that redistribution crap. From OTHERS, sure. From them? No.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
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But, I could be wrong. Can anyone think of any counterexamples, any thriving progressive institution that started out that way and remain true to its progressive roots? I can't, but I always could've missed something.
SPLC? But, hmmm, that is ostensible a non-profit and thus is dependent on contributions.
IIRC, Imzy is closing without blowing through all of the $11 million in vcap which is interesting. There's a bit of fiduciary responsibility I wasn't expecting. I believe there's something in the stories about maintaining the code for something else though I could be wrong on that. So it could be that the small reserve is going to be used as seed funds for the next round of funding saying hey we have this code that can be used for furries meetups or something.
SPLC? But, hmmm, that is ostensible a non-profit and thus is dependent on contributions.
IIRC, Imzy is closing without blowing through all of the $11 million in vcap which is interesting. There's a bit of fiduciary responsibility I wasn't expecting. I believe there's something in the stories about maintaining the code for something else though I could be wrong on that. So it could be that the small reserve is going to be used as seed funds for the next round of funding saying hey we have this code that can be used for furries meetups or something.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (mf5HN)
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Here's a new "progressive" business that deserves to fail:
New Oakland restaurant serving trendy "Arab street food" has gigantic mural depicting Palestinian terrorist who murdered Jewish children, confessed to the crime, was convicted; owner defends, says the terrorist is her "hero" and "the Malcolm X of Arabs."
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/17/reems-arab-bakery-oakland/
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/30/ opinion-must-not-conflate-legitimate-political-activism-terrorism/
Yeah, like I want to give these Jew-killing terror-lovers my money.
New Oakland restaurant serving trendy "Arab street food" has gigantic mural depicting Palestinian terrorist who murdered Jewish children, confessed to the crime, was convicted; owner defends, says the terrorist is her "hero" and "the Malcolm X of Arabs."
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/17/reems-arab-bakery-oakland/
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/30/ opinion-must-not-conflate-legitimate-political-activism-terrorism/
Yeah, like I want to give these Jew-killing terror-lovers my money.
Posted by: zombie at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Does the creation of rubble count as creation?
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (aCNZ6)
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"44 Ben & Jerry's was a bit of clever marketing: "we give 1% of our profits to PEACE so you don't have to feel guilty about paying five bucks for a scoop of chilled butterfat and sugar!"
It also gave them indulgences from the health Nazis. Never saw the Center for Science in the Public Interest going after them even though it is probably the unhealthiest ice cream brand out there.
It also gave them indulgences from the health Nazis. Never saw the Center for Science in the Public Interest going after them even though it is probably the unhealthiest ice cream brand out there.
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (OD2ni)
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1. Choose a target
2. Burrow in
3. Hollow it out
4. Wear its skin
somewhere between 1 and 2:
"It puts the LOTION on its SKIN or it gets the HOSE AGAIN!"
because it's not just a parasite, it gets off on the suffering it inflicts on its target. To wit - you will bake us our gay wedding cake, celebrate trans-Jenner as the paragon of "courage in athletics", say that the free speech is hate and the hate speech is love, etc. ... essentially, you *will* be made to see 5 lights.
2. Burrow in
3. Hollow it out
4. Wear its skin
somewhere between 1 and 2:
"It puts the LOTION on its SKIN or it gets the HOSE AGAIN!"
because it's not just a parasite, it gets off on the suffering it inflicts on its target. To wit - you will bake us our gay wedding cake, celebrate trans-Jenner as the paragon of "courage in athletics", say that the free speech is hate and the hate speech is love, etc. ... essentially, you *will* be made to see 5 lights.
Posted by: moronhorde minion at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (88jeI)
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You can ignore C.S. Lewis, but you can't dismiss him.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 31, 2017 12:52 PM (Yi9Gb)
76
Griffin is a Canuck! Explains a lot.
Posted by: Under Fire at May 31, 2017 12:52 PM (l4aLi)
77
And also those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to have.
Judging by the ones I have seen, these survive by:
1. Borderline legal "Medical" Pot adverts
2. Borderline legal "Massage" adverts
Oddly enough, one Alt-Weekly in San Fransicko, the "SF Weekly" is actually of a libertarian slant and more Right than the "Commie-cle" Chronicle.
Judging by the ones I have seen, these survive by:
1. Borderline legal "Medical" Pot adverts
2. Borderline legal "Massage" adverts
Oddly enough, one Alt-Weekly in San Fransicko, the "SF Weekly" is actually of a libertarian slant and more Right than the "Commie-cle" Chronicle.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 12:53 PM (ujg0T)
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In Tolkien's story of Creation, The Creator gives his Angels a music to sing. The greatest of the Angels is Melkor, who decides to change the music to his own liking.
The music becomes an oppressive din.
The music becomes an oppressive din.
Posted by: davidt at May 31, 2017 12:53 PM (XoldI)
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I think Air America also failed in part due to the Balkanization of the Left, which comprises a whole series of groups who have diametrically opposed agendas, each of which the Left supports.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 12:47 PM (SRKgf)
I think AA failed due to market saturation. If I wanted to listen to the progressive view of the world, I don't need to tune into some sooper sekrit radio station. All I have to do is turn on CNN, MSNBC, or read the NY Times.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 12:47 PM (SRKgf)
I think AA failed due to market saturation. If I wanted to listen to the progressive view of the world, I don't need to tune into some sooper sekrit radio station. All I have to do is turn on CNN, MSNBC, or read the NY Times.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 12:53 PM (pyNb1)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 31, 2017 12:53 PM (oVJmc)
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amazing how these Safe Spaces sound an awful lot like full-fledged Totalitarian mini-States, eh?
amazing how these Safe Spaces sound an awful lot like full-fledged Totalitarian mini-States, eh?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 31, 2017 12:53 PM (rAqYf)
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Pretty much every race in Middle Earth were douchebags in some way. The dwarves were greedy, the hobbits were hopelessly naive and unserious, men were only interested in power for power's sake etc.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (XWkhW)
In other words, they're people.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (XWkhW)
In other words, they're people.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM (7HtZB)
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That's right. the name Feanor itself means "colossal dick" in old Elvish.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 12:45 PM
What does this imply for the less-reputable branches of the Baggins family tree?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 12:45 PM
What does this imply for the less-reputable branches of the Baggins family tree?
Posted by: Fourdoor the Sedan at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM (DMUuz)
84
In Tolkien's story of Creation, The Creator gives his Angels a music to sing. The greatest of the Angels is Melkor, who decides to change the music to his own liking.
The music becomes an oppressive din.
Posted by: davidt at May 31, 2017 12:53 PM (XoldI)
Say what?
The music becomes an oppressive din.
Posted by: davidt at May 31, 2017 12:53 PM (XoldI)
Say what?
Posted by: Wagner at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM (pyNb1)
85
Pretty much every race in Middle Earth were douchebags in some way.
And yet all were likable in some way (the non-evil ones at least). Dwarves were hard working, honorable, and reliable, Hobbits were kind and loyal, elves were beautiful and artistic, humans were noble, etc. It was an excellent portrayal of how to show different cultures, in my opinion. Fallen, but with the image of God still there.
And yet all were likable in some way (the non-evil ones at least). Dwarves were hard working, honorable, and reliable, Hobbits were kind and loyal, elves were beautiful and artistic, humans were noble, etc. It was an excellent portrayal of how to show different cultures, in my opinion. Fallen, but with the image of God still there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM (39g3+)
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Starbucks CEO is concerned that PDT is disturbing his
customers social-justice kumbaya vibe
===
It's really just Clintonesque triangulation, I guess. Taking the pulse of the customers and shifting as needed.
It also provides an opportunity for the faithful to buy indulgences to relieve their guilt for enjoying their luxuries, $6.00 coffee, Prime shipping, instant movies, Tweetpublishing their thoughts and Faceposting their selfies.
customers social-justice kumbaya vibe
===
It's really just Clintonesque triangulation, I guess. Taking the pulse of the customers and shifting as needed.
It also provides an opportunity for the faithful to buy indulgences to relieve their guilt for enjoying their luxuries, $6.00 coffee, Prime shipping, instant movies, Tweetpublishing their thoughts and Faceposting their selfies.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM (C52a9)
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Be seeing you!
Be seeing you!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 31, 2017 12:55 PM (W6iva)
88
my definition of Safe Space: a place where Speech & Thought is highly regulated and monitored
Prove me wrong.
my definition of Safe Space: a place where Speech & Thought is highly regulated and monitored
Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 31, 2017 12:55 PM (rAqYf)
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"But, I could be wrong. Can anyone think of any counterexamples, any thriving progressive institution that started out that way and remain true to its progressive roots? I can't, but I always could've missed something."
Generally speaking, I think the main issue here is that progressivism has defined itself as the striving towards something but never put very much thought in exactly what they're striving towards. If you're going to say that the way that we've organized society now is bad, suboptimal, unfair, whatever, you need to tell me exactly what your perfect society should look like. Progressivism, like most prominent philosophesr since Descartes, rejects the idea of an objective good, so they can't state a positive case for their position. It's never "society should be organized like this:" it's always "we shouldn't be doing this, it's not fair."
Because of that, progressivism just becomes a vehicle for socialism, since at least that is an actual idea of how society should be, and on the surface, it has the same qualities that progressives say would "fix" society today. Never mind the fact that socialism doesn't actually do what it says it's goals are.
Generally speaking, I think the main issue here is that progressivism has defined itself as the striving towards something but never put very much thought in exactly what they're striving towards. If you're going to say that the way that we've organized society now is bad, suboptimal, unfair, whatever, you need to tell me exactly what your perfect society should look like. Progressivism, like most prominent philosophesr since Descartes, rejects the idea of an objective good, so they can't state a positive case for their position. It's never "society should be organized like this:" it's always "we shouldn't be doing this, it's not fair."
Because of that, progressivism just becomes a vehicle for socialism, since at least that is an actual idea of how society should be, and on the surface, it has the same qualities that progressives say would "fix" society today. Never mind the fact that socialism doesn't actually do what it says it's goals are.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 31, 2017 12:55 PM (KUaJL)
90
Now I need to drag out my old copy of 'Bored of the Rings'.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 12:55 PM (pyNb1)
91
C.S. Lewis was brilliant in so many ways. If it were possible to argue people into Christianity, he would be the one that did it.
"Progressivism" has always been with us, its ultimately selfish and childish, that part of us that always has been there wanting the easy road, to be treated nice, and to think that if you "live the way you want the world to be" then things will be better and we can fix everything. Its deeply arrogant, presuming we can fix it all and make paradise. Its childish in its understanding of the world.
"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring them "privileged."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (39g3+)
Sympathy for the Oddball, the Insane, Perverts, and Criminals is a standing feature of Progressivism,
because they are the battering rams of Progressivism.
They are the "proof" that Progressivism works as all human behavior is malleable.
So, you can be whatever you want to be and do whatever you want to do as long a you have proper guidance by the proper leaders.
And guess who those leaders are?
"Progressivism" has always been with us, its ultimately selfish and childish, that part of us that always has been there wanting the easy road, to be treated nice, and to think that if you "live the way you want the world to be" then things will be better and we can fix everything. Its deeply arrogant, presuming we can fix it all and make paradise. Its childish in its understanding of the world.
"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring them "privileged."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (39g3+)
Sympathy for the Oddball, the Insane, Perverts, and Criminals is a standing feature of Progressivism,
because they are the battering rams of Progressivism.
They are the "proof" that Progressivism works as all human behavior is malleable.
So, you can be whatever you want to be and do whatever you want to do as long a you have proper guidance by the proper leaders.
And guess who those leaders are?
Posted by: naturalfake at May 31, 2017 12:55 PM (NyJwR)
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What does this imply for the less-reputable branches of the Baggins family tree?
Posted by: Fourdoor the Sedan at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM (DMUuz)
They've got a pony to sell you. Low mileage, very reliable. Only ridden by an old lady once a week to buy groceries...
Posted by: Fourdoor the Sedan at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM (DMUuz)
They've got a pony to sell you. Low mileage, very reliable. Only ridden by an old lady once a week to buy groceries...
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 31, 2017 12:55 PM (Tnhbr)
93
C. S. Lewis also expressed a similar sentiment in A Grief Observed. He wondered if God were evil, then recalled a sadistic schoolmate of his and concluded that such people cannot really create anything.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 31, 2017 12:56 PM (vRcUp)
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I think AA failed due to market saturation.
That, and it really wasn't very good. It targeted a very small very rabid portion of the public and was not very good at it. The problem the left always has is that they grossly overestimate their numbers. They're very loud and well-represented, but not very numerous. Rush Limbaugh did well because there's millions of conservative or at least right-middle people out there who had no voice. And he was really entertaining and fun to listen to.
That, and it really wasn't very good. It targeted a very small very rabid portion of the public and was not very good at it. The problem the left always has is that they grossly overestimate their numbers. They're very loud and well-represented, but not very numerous. Rush Limbaugh did well because there's millions of conservative or at least right-middle people out there who had no voice. And he was really entertaining and fun to listen to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:56 PM (39g3+)
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"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring them "privileged."
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Really interesting point. Never thought about it that way.
I'd add "deviant" along to odd, strange and offbeat, since the latter terms are more harmless, whereas a lot of things that can, in the long run, hurt society [like pedophilia] are in line to be normalized.
"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring them "privileged."
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Really interesting point. Never thought about it that way.
I'd add "deviant" along to odd, strange and offbeat, since the latter terms are more harmless, whereas a lot of things that can, in the long run, hurt society [like pedophilia] are in line to be normalized.
Posted by: shibumi at May 31, 2017 12:56 PM (aT+Bx)
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71 Here's a new "progressive" business that deserves to fail:
New Oakland restaurant serving trendy "Arab street food" has gigantic mural depicting Palestinian terrorist who murdered Jewish children, confessed to the crime, was convicted; owner defends, says the terrorist is her "hero" and "the Malcolm X of Arabs."
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/17/reems-arab-bakery-oakland/
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/30/ opinion-must-not-conflate-legitimate-political-activism-terrorism/
Yeah, like I want to give these Jew-killing terror-lovers my money.
Posted by: zombie at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (DQ4Fv)
So, a safe space then.
This is terrorist-nose-on, terrorist-nose-off stuff. Hey, we're just praising a hero. Not promoting terrorism.
And I think they can promise their clientele that wink wink nudge nudge you can eat here in a jew-free environment, guaranteed.
New Oakland restaurant serving trendy "Arab street food" has gigantic mural depicting Palestinian terrorist who murdered Jewish children, confessed to the crime, was convicted; owner defends, says the terrorist is her "hero" and "the Malcolm X of Arabs."
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/17/reems-arab-bakery-oakland/
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/30/ opinion-must-not-conflate-legitimate-political-activism-terrorism/
Yeah, like I want to give these Jew-killing terror-lovers my money.
Posted by: zombie at May 31, 2017 12:51 PM (DQ4Fv)
So, a safe space then.
This is terrorist-nose-on, terrorist-nose-off stuff. Hey, we're just praising a hero. Not promoting terrorism.
And I think they can promise their clientele that wink wink nudge nudge you can eat here in a jew-free environment, guaranteed.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 31, 2017 12:56 PM (yL25O)
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Yes. Very true. A decision made in the late 50's in Moscow to do exactly this. The Sovs built more than one "American community" in which to train their agents to be American.
They had specific targets and media (the organs of control) was at the top of the list.
Blackmail the powerful, the owners, the media people. Control them. Move among them.
And 60 years later here we are.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (0tfLf)
John Earl Haynes (Modern Political Historian in the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress) has written a series of books on the KGB, and its efforts here and around the world:
http://tinyurl.com/ycjb9fzb (goes to Amazon)
I've read several of them, and they're well worth reading. Long story short: the KGB targeted the media for penetration in every country in which it operated.
They had specific targets and media (the organs of control) was at the top of the list.
Blackmail the powerful, the owners, the media people. Control them. Move among them.
And 60 years later here we are.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (0tfLf)
John Earl Haynes (Modern Political Historian in the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress) has written a series of books on the KGB, and its efforts here and around the world:
http://tinyurl.com/ycjb9fzb (goes to Amazon)
I've read several of them, and they're well worth reading. Long story short: the KGB targeted the media for penetration in every country in which it operated.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 12:57 PM (SRKgf)
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Remember the Coffee Party?
And apply your thesis to their "Resistance Summer."
What are they building? Nothing.
What are they going to take over? Nothing they don't already have.
Their success, as you've mapped, lies only in being _invited_ inside. There, they can wander around in the corpse for some time at least before it finally collapses.
Their revolutions, their invasions, their hostile takeovers have almost always instantly killed the host.
And apply your thesis to their "Resistance Summer."
What are they building? Nothing.
What are they going to take over? Nothing they don't already have.
Their success, as you've mapped, lies only in being _invited_ inside. There, they can wander around in the corpse for some time at least before it finally collapses.
Their revolutions, their invasions, their hostile takeovers have almost always instantly killed the host.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 31, 2017 12:57 PM (ZQpd0)
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Modern liberalism is built in specific opposition to reality. It views reality as an oppressive construct maintained by the belief in it by some critical mass of people (whether it is most people, some people, or even one person "bad thinking" varies per liberal).
As such, it is no surprise that the more in tune with liberal thought an organization is, the less well it will work. They are designed that way.
Imagine, for example, two villages - one lifted from say 1776 America and on built on leftwing positions on the issues of the say re gender identity, multiculturalism, socialism etc...but both villages with 1776 era technology. Does anyone believe that the leftwing village would survive a generation without changing its policies to match the American village?
And even looking at your counter example of Ben and Jerry's, they certainly mouth leftwing talking points but while in fact enacting non-leftwing policies. BJ has a marketing department, competes for markets, suppliers and employees, etc.
As such, it is no surprise that the more in tune with liberal thought an organization is, the less well it will work. They are designed that way.
Imagine, for example, two villages - one lifted from say 1776 America and on built on leftwing positions on the issues of the say re gender identity, multiculturalism, socialism etc...but both villages with 1776 era technology. Does anyone believe that the leftwing village would survive a generation without changing its policies to match the American village?
And even looking at your counter example of Ben and Jerry's, they certainly mouth leftwing talking points but while in fact enacting non-leftwing policies. BJ has a marketing department, competes for markets, suppliers and employees, etc.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2017 12:57 PM (eSx+E)
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Air America's business model was to *BUY* airtime and put on programming no one wanted. This makes perfect sense in the liberal mind.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 31, 2017 12:57 PM (oVJmc)
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In Hillary's Village, we would all be the Prisoner. Thankfully she is not President.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 12:58 PM (GBWQj)
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"let's not forget how Lenin was forced to reinstate some aspects of
capitalism in the 1920s in order to keep the entire country from going
TU."
In other words, gee, maybe getting rid of certain professions (doctors, engineers, scientists -- basically any modern profession that requires serious training) wasn't a good idea for a state that saw itself as the vanguard of modernity. Such a country doesn't need kulaks, but it sure needs aircraft designers and surgeons. After all, Lenin wasn't aiming for a classless agrarian state (aka, Kampuchea).
capitalism in the 1920s in order to keep the entire country from going
TU."
In other words, gee, maybe getting rid of certain professions (doctors, engineers, scientists -- basically any modern profession that requires serious training) wasn't a good idea for a state that saw itself as the vanguard of modernity. Such a country doesn't need kulaks, but it sure needs aircraft designers and surgeons. After all, Lenin wasn't aiming for a classless agrarian state (aka, Kampuchea).
Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2017 12:58 PM (dZ756)
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Progressivism is a racket built by people who are too squeamish to get into organized crime.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (C278+)
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Remember Air America, the progressive alternative to conservative talk radio that was supposed to take the world by storm, and put those evil reich-wingers in their place? Yeah, me neither.
I was interviewed on Air America once!
Furthermore, I brought my camera and took a bunch of spy photos of their offices and studios, in order to wrote a report/expose on them.
Eventually, though I decided not to publish the report, out of fear of being "outed" by them. So I deleted all the photos. Sigh.
I was interviewed on Air America once!
Furthermore, I brought my camera and took a bunch of spy photos of their offices and studios, in order to wrote a report/expose on them.
Eventually, though I decided not to publish the report, out of fear of being "outed" by them. So I deleted all the photos. Sigh.
Posted by: zombie at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (W6iva)
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Yes. Very true. A decision made in the late 50's in Moscow to do exactly this. The Sovs built more than one "American community" in which to train their agents to be American.
They had specific targets and media (the organs of control) was at the top of the list.
Blackmail the powerful, the owners, the media people. Control them. Move among them.
And 60 years later here we are.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (0tfLf)
My dad actually worked with a girl who grew up in one of those communities. She spoke English with an American accent, but he said that there was something about her behavior that was "off", and when he asked her where she was from she confessed that she was Russian. They could mimic Western behavior, but it was never quite correct.
They had specific targets and media (the organs of control) was at the top of the list.
Blackmail the powerful, the owners, the media people. Control them. Move among them.
And 60 years later here we are.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2017 12:49 PM (0tfLf)
My dad actually worked with a girl who grew up in one of those communities. She spoke English with an American accent, but he said that there was something about her behavior that was "off", and when he asked her where she was from she confessed that she was Russian. They could mimic Western behavior, but it was never quite correct.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (Tnhbr)
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I think the main issue here is that progressivism has defined itself as the striving towards something but never put very much thought in exactly what they're striving towards.
Its not that they have no goals, its that they keep changing. By its nature and very definition, progressivism cannot stop. It is infinite, it goes on forever. Once they achieve a goal, they have 3 more goals to move toward, always pushing more and more radicalism.
My mom brought up something yesterday on the phone. She said its amazing how nice and polite and friendly everyone is in shops and out in public now. And then she said what I thought was very interesting: she said its kind of sinister. That these people weren't nice, but they were trained to act that way, hiding what they really are. That people like that can change very quickly.
And we've seen it. People shouting Love Trumps Hate, then hitting you with a bicycle lock. People saying they love everyone, then waving a bloody head around.
Its not that they have no goals, its that they keep changing. By its nature and very definition, progressivism cannot stop. It is infinite, it goes on forever. Once they achieve a goal, they have 3 more goals to move toward, always pushing more and more radicalism.
My mom brought up something yesterday on the phone. She said its amazing how nice and polite and friendly everyone is in shops and out in public now. And then she said what I thought was very interesting: she said its kind of sinister. That these people weren't nice, but they were trained to act that way, hiding what they really are. That people like that can change very quickly.
And we've seen it. People shouting Love Trumps Hate, then hitting you with a bicycle lock. People saying they love everyone, then waving a bloody head around.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)
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So, if someone is FORCED to be good, by threat of violence... is he actually Good? As he has not freely chosen that path?[I/]
There's a bit in the MST3K movie Jack Frost (the one with Baba Yaga) where the hero, having been cured by Grandfather Mushroom with the head of a bear (well, a horrible bear mask), does various good deeds and nothing works. Then he notices something, says to himself he should fix it, and then magic happens and he no longer has the head of bear. The comment was along the lines of, "So talking about a good deed is better than actually doing it?" I assume the curse was motivation-dependent, not deed-dependent, but of course the movie didn't *say* that.
Regarding the names of evil characters-- my favorite is probably from the Disney cartoon Dave the Barbarian. It was a broad fantasy parody, and reasonably amusing. Anyway, the Big Bad was a pig named Chuckles, the Silly
Piggy. No one took him seriously.
Maybe you had to be there.
There's a bit in the MST3K movie Jack Frost (the one with Baba Yaga) where the hero, having been cured by Grandfather Mushroom with the head of a bear (well, a horrible bear mask), does various good deeds and nothing works. Then he notices something, says to himself he should fix it, and then magic happens and he no longer has the head of bear. The comment was along the lines of, "So talking about a good deed is better than actually doing it?" I assume the curse was motivation-dependent, not deed-dependent, but of course the movie didn't *say* that.
Regarding the names of evil characters-- my favorite is probably from the Disney cartoon Dave the Barbarian. It was a broad fantasy parody, and reasonably amusing. Anyway, the Big Bad was a pig named Chuckles, the Silly
Piggy. No one took him seriously.
Maybe you had to be there.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (u0s1P)
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well said OM. Well said. C S Lewis and Tolken were brilliant.
Posted by: USNtakim at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (zZWkn)
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my definition of Safe Space: a place where Speech & Thought is highly regulated and monitored
Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Soothsayer
If they want safe spaces, colleges should provide them acess to sensory deprivation chambers.
Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Soothsayer
If they want safe spaces, colleges should provide them acess to sensory deprivation chambers.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (vRcUp)
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In other words, they're people.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM
I tried to tell you.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 12:54 PM
I tried to tell you.
Posted by: Frank Thorn at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (DMUuz)
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Imagine, for example, two villages - one lifted from say 1776 America
and on built on leftwing positions on the issues of the say re gender
identity, multiculturalism, socialism etc...but both villages with 1776
era technology. Does anyone believe that the leftwing village would
survive a generation without changing its policies to match the American
village?
==
"Oh look, Men of Color with Feathers in their Hair Brandishing Hatchets."
"Let's hug them!"
and on built on leftwing positions on the issues of the say re gender
identity, multiculturalism, socialism etc...but both villages with 1776
era technology. Does anyone believe that the leftwing village would
survive a generation without changing its policies to match the American
village?
==
"Oh look, Men of Color with Feathers in their Hair Brandishing Hatchets."
"Let's hug them!"
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:00 PM (C52a9)
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Gotta love The Lefty Loon Media so deranged that now they are intent on taking out one of their ideological brethren, Kushner, who managed to smuggle himself inside the enemy White House.
Self-parasitic geniuses, indeed.
Self-parasitic geniuses, indeed.
Posted by: ShainS at May 31, 2017 01:00 PM (CVLTa)
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I should look to be sure, but I seem to recall something interesting about the Air America business model.
Rather than pursuing the traditional route, they instead bought air time on third tier radio stations in their markets. As such, they were also responsible for promoting the show in those markets.
They weren't ever really there to meet a demand...they were trying instead to make Say's Law work.
Rather than pursuing the traditional route, they instead bought air time on third tier radio stations in their markets. As such, they were also responsible for promoting the show in those markets.
They weren't ever really there to meet a demand...they were trying instead to make Say's Law work.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 31, 2017 01:00 PM (PFy0L)
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...or, what Mr. Peebles said a few minutes ago. 
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 31, 2017 01:01 PM (PFy0L)
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OM's idea also can be applied to explain why the progressives end up on the wrong side of literally everything.
Because they exist as a corruption of good ideas, they are by definition excluded from even by chance ever ending up on the good side of an argument.
Hence the internal conflicts that we see--the preference of transgender bathroom and changing room policies despite the obvious harm to girls. The preference of Islam to Judaism and Christianity, in plain opposition to homosexuals and Western Civ as a whole.
Because they must, must take the stance that is opposite to the good, regardless of where that leaves them in terms of a coherent philosophy. And yeah, I think we can make a 1:1 correlation between progressivism and evil.
Because they exist as a corruption of good ideas, they are by definition excluded from even by chance ever ending up on the good side of an argument.
Hence the internal conflicts that we see--the preference of transgender bathroom and changing room policies despite the obvious harm to girls. The preference of Islam to Judaism and Christianity, in plain opposition to homosexuals and Western Civ as a whole.
Because they must, must take the stance that is opposite to the good, regardless of where that leaves them in terms of a coherent philosophy. And yeah, I think we can make a 1:1 correlation between progressivism and evil.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 31, 2017 01:01 PM (yL25O)
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Its not that they have no goals, its that they keep changing. By its nature and very definition, progressivism cannot stop. It is infinite, it goes on forever. Once they achieve a goal, they have 3 more goals to move toward, always pushing more and more radicalism.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)
That's probably a better way of putting what I was trying to say.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)
That's probably a better way of putting what I was trying to say.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 31, 2017 01:02 PM (KUaJL)
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COVFEFE!!!!!
Posted by: Chelsea at May 31, 2017 01:02 PM (jjaLl)
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OT yet oddly OnT-
Has anyone with mad photoshopping skills started pasting bloody severed heads of Obama or Hillay! or Clinton or Pelosi or Whatever Hollywood wanker of the moment onto Kathy Griffin's "joke" ISIS photo?
Then posted them all over twitter so the rest of us could laugh and laugh and laugh at this exquisite joke?
And I'm sure the Progressives would laugh just as much becuz of their excellent senses of humor.
Has anyone with mad photoshopping skills started pasting bloody severed heads of Obama or Hillay! or Clinton or Pelosi or Whatever Hollywood wanker of the moment onto Kathy Griffin's "joke" ISIS photo?
Then posted them all over twitter so the rest of us could laugh and laugh and laugh at this exquisite joke?
And I'm sure the Progressives would laugh just as much becuz of their excellent senses of humor.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 31, 2017 01:02 PM (NyJwR)
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Ben and Jerry was committed to paying the CEO no more than 20x the pay of their lowest paid worker.
Then they decided they wanted an African American CEO. They had to break their rule because they could not find an African American CEO type who would work that cheap.
Then they decided they wanted an African American CEO. They had to break their rule because they could not find an African American CEO type who would work that cheap.
Posted by: blaster at May 31, 2017 01:02 PM (wc+Nc)
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New Oakland restaurant serving trendy "Arab street food" has gigantic mural depicting Palestinian terrorist who murdered Jewish children, confessed to the crime, was convicted; owner defends, says the terrorist is her "hero" and "the Malcolm X of Arabs."
Sort of related: a Portland Food Truck was shut down because it was "culturally appropriating" tacos and changing them to appeal to white people.
http://tinyurl.com/l44fr8g
Also people accused them of "stealing recipes" which is moronic. You cannot and do not steal recipes. That's like stealing air. Everyone uses other peoples' recipes. They're the ultimate in freeware.
Sort of related: a Portland Food Truck was shut down because it was "culturally appropriating" tacos and changing them to appeal to white people.
http://tinyurl.com/l44fr8g
Also people accused them of "stealing recipes" which is moronic. You cannot and do not steal recipes. That's like stealing air. Everyone uses other peoples' recipes. They're the ultimate in freeware.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (39g3+)
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Imzy has been described as a "social-justice kumbaya version of Reddit". I had never heard of it until dri posted a sidebar item announcing its demise after a little more than a year. And its investors took an $11 million bath.
Just like the by special invitation only investment fund for Greece set up and run by my babies' daddy!
-- Chel-Z, Most Honored Rapper of the One-Percenters
Imzy has been described as a "social-justice kumbaya version of Reddit". I had never heard of it until dri posted a sidebar item announcing its demise after a little more than a year. And its investors took an $11 million bath.
Just like the by special invitation only investment fund for Greece set up and run by my babies' daddy!
-- Chel-Z, Most Honored Rapper of the One-Percenters
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (W6iva)
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I think AA failed due to market saturation.
That, and it really wasn't very good.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:56 PM (39g3+)
Oh, it sucked on stilts. I listened to it a bunch of times, and none of the AA talk jocks knew how to do radio. Al Franken was a frightful bore.
All except for Randi Rhodes, who, even though she's a drunken unhinged moonbat, actually knew how to use the medium.
That, and it really wasn't very good.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:56 PM (39g3+)
Oh, it sucked on stilts. I listened to it a bunch of times, and none of the AA talk jocks knew how to do radio. Al Franken was a frightful bore.
All except for Randi Rhodes, who, even though she's a drunken unhinged moonbat, actually knew how to use the medium.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (pyNb1)
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Dear sweet merciful Heavens.
I won't link it because TMZ but TMZ has a report out that Barron Trump was watching tv, the news came on and there was the Griffin pic and he freaked out because he thought something happened to his dad.
If that story is true, I hope Trump does an Oval Office address where he calls her a vile cunt on live tv.
I won't link it because TMZ but TMZ has a report out that Barron Trump was watching tv, the news came on and there was the Griffin pic and he freaked out because he thought something happened to his dad.
If that story is true, I hope Trump does an Oval Office address where he calls her a vile cunt on live tv.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (U2rG9)
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Darmok and Jalad...at Covfefe. (stupid freaking meme...)
Posted by: Hikaru at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (luj3F)
Posted by: Amy Bishop at May 31, 2017 01:04 PM (l4aLi)
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I would also insert the entire text of How Should We Then Live by Francis Schaeffer in to this conversation.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 31, 2017 01:04 PM (yL25O)
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Hey, wait a minute.
Are you saying progressivism is evil?
EEEEEEEEEVILLLLL!!!!
*Mermaid Man voice*
Are you saying progressivism is evil?
EEEEEEEEEVILLLLL!!!!
*Mermaid Man voice*
Posted by: simplemind at May 31, 2017 01:04 PM (xVRrG)
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>>>OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream.
But if you ask for a free scoop, it shouldn't throw you for a loop
That they're giving none away. Away. Away... Away.
But if you ask for a free scoop, it shouldn't throw you for a loop
That they're giving none away. Away. Away... Away.
Posted by: David Gilmour at May 31, 2017 01:05 PM (vRcUp)
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Speaking of Progressive Villages in history that failed.
Henry Ford's rubber plantation in Brazil.
Jim Jones in Guyana.
Henry Ford's rubber plantation in Brazil.
Jim Jones in Guyana.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:06 PM (GBWQj)
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A Safe Space is a place where lefty dogma always works, and no one is allowed to point out different.
Basically, Oceania.
Basically, Oceania.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 31, 2017 01:06 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 31, 2017 01:07 PM (rAqYf)
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Anybody ever see that movie, "Wholly Moses" ? When I think of the Devil, I think of John Ritter in that movie. Just an average angel who got the short straw, reluctantly toiling along at the unpleasant job he got stuck with.
I like Anne Rice's portrayal too. Poor, hated Memnoch the misunderstood angel, defying God on behalf of man who never gets to tell his side of the story. Probably misguided but his his heart was in the right place. And his intentions were good, at least at first. Also doing a thankless job he really doesn't take any joy in anymore but excels in it nonetheless.
I like Anne Rice's portrayal too. Poor, hated Memnoch the misunderstood angel, defying God on behalf of man who never gets to tell his side of the story. Probably misguided but his his heart was in the right place. And his intentions were good, at least at first. Also doing a thankless job he really doesn't take any joy in anymore but excels in it nonetheless.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 31, 2017 01:07 PM (INRVS)
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New Oakland restaurant serving trendy "Arab street food" has gigantic mural depicting Palestinian terrorist who murdered Jewish children, confessed to the crime, was convicted; owner defends, says the terrorist is her "hero" and "the Malcolm X of Arabs."
In a sane world, this restaurant would already be a pile of ash.
In a sane world, this restaurant would already be a pile of ash.
Posted by: Christopher Pike at May 31, 2017 01:07 PM (LTHVh)
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Now I need to drag out my old copy of 'Bored of the Rings'.
It's good, and I should read it again, but I liked Doon more. The Kumquat Haggen-Daaz, NOAMCHOMSKY... The pretension of Dune (which I also like) allows for different mockery. Is this a Freedmenmen thing? Or a crazy old woman thing?
It's good, and I should read it again, but I liked Doon more. The Kumquat Haggen-Daaz, NOAMCHOMSKY... The pretension of Dune (which I also like) allows for different mockery. Is this a Freedmenmen thing? Or a crazy old woman thing?
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 01:07 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: Christopher Pike at May 31, 2017 01:07 PM (LTHVh)
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This also shows that Islam is evil, too. It has never created anything. It just loots what it wants from the culture and technology of conquered nations, and discards the rest.
Posted by: rickl at May 31, 2017 01:07 PM (xjiRE)
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Remember the Coffee Party?
Ah yes, the Coffee Party. After the Reds howled that the Tea Party was Astroturfed, they started this "non-partisan" monstrosity. The best part was the URL of their website: "coffeepartyusa.org," i.e., "cpusa.org." There was no apparent reason to include the USA part except to make it an obscure inside reference to the cognoscenti, something the Reds love to do (as I'm sure zombie will attest).
Ah yes, the Coffee Party. After the Reds howled that the Tea Party was Astroturfed, they started this "non-partisan" monstrosity. The best part was the URL of their website: "coffeepartyusa.org," i.e., "cpusa.org." There was no apparent reason to include the USA part except to make it an obscure inside reference to the cognoscenti, something the Reds love to do (as I'm sure zombie will attest).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:07 PM (SRKgf)
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How is a Safe Space any different from being a village of Stepford Wives?
How is a Safe Space any different from being a village of Stepford Wives?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (rAqYf)
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OFH AlextheChick, I hope that did not happen. No one 'deserves' to see their parent presented as being executed.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (GBWQj)
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Really interesting point. Never thought about it that way.
That's all "privilege" theory is; its an attempt to make normal people seem unjustly elite and normalize the bizarre, outsider, and perverted. It started in the 1980s with a feminist who wrote about male 'privilege' in American society, because they were more comfortable and fit in better: normal. Lunatic radicals grabbed the idea and ran with it for every situation that involves normality and typical American culture.
There's nothing 'privileged' in being ordinary. Its just not awkward and uncomfortable like being out of the ordinary.
I'm a Christian role playing gamer, I've been the oddball my entire life. I'm at peace with that, its who I am. People need to learn to deal with their life and problems instead of whining to the world to change so they don't feel bad any longer. That's the crap your 2 year old pulls screaming and thrashing on the floor. We're supposed to grow out of it.
That's all "privilege" theory is; its an attempt to make normal people seem unjustly elite and normalize the bizarre, outsider, and perverted. It started in the 1980s with a feminist who wrote about male 'privilege' in American society, because they were more comfortable and fit in better: normal. Lunatic radicals grabbed the idea and ran with it for every situation that involves normality and typical American culture.
There's nothing 'privileged' in being ordinary. Its just not awkward and uncomfortable like being out of the ordinary.
I'm a Christian role playing gamer, I've been the oddball my entire life. I'm at peace with that, its who I am. People need to learn to deal with their life and problems instead of whining to the world to change so they don't feel bad any longer. That's the crap your 2 year old pulls screaming and thrashing on the floor. We're supposed to grow out of it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM
We're pleased your balloon supply issues have been resolved satisfactorily, Empress.
We're pleased your balloon supply issues have been resolved satisfactorily, Empress.
Posted by: AoSHQ SAR Team at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (DMUuz)
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I hadn't heard of it either.
And I am still kind of more or less an Episcopalian.
Though our priest is, yeah what you'd expect. I like him personally, but...
And I am still kind of more or less an Episcopalian.
Though our priest is, yeah what you'd expect. I like him personally, but...
Posted by: JEM at May 31, 2017 01:09 PM (TppKb)
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"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you
don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like
kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange
and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring
them "privileged."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (39g3+)
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Boy, did he nail that one. Collage campuses in a nutshell (not all, I know). I'ma have to start reading this guy.
"Progressivism" tries to make a way where you
don't ever have to grow, or change, or strive, or face difficulty, like
kindergarden. It is an attempt to make people who are odd and strange
and offbeat feel normal by "de-normalizing" ordinary people, declaring
them "privileged."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 12:43 PM (39g3+)
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Boy, did he nail that one. Collage campuses in a nutshell (not all, I know). I'ma have to start reading this guy.
Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2017 01:09 PM (yOqwj)
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I was interviewed on Air America once!
Posted by: zombie at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
SF Bay area Air America was doomed to fail. Didn't those geniuses know about KPFA in Berkeley? They've only been broadcasting since about 1947 ago, and they've got the progressive beat pretty much covered.
And unlike the Air America clowns, they at least sound professional.
Too bad you tossed those photos, though.
Posted by: zombie at May 31, 2017 12:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
SF Bay area Air America was doomed to fail. Didn't those geniuses know about KPFA in Berkeley? They've only been broadcasting since about 1947 ago, and they've got the progressive beat pretty much covered.
And unlike the Air America clowns, they at least sound professional.
Too bad you tossed those photos, though.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 01:09 PM (pyNb1)
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-- Chel-Z, Most Honored Rapper of the One-Percenters
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (W6iva)
Give her an award, fer cryin' out loud!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (W6iva)
Give her an award, fer cryin' out loud!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:09 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 31, 2017 01:09 PM (U2rG9)
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>>OK, maybe Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. I'll give you that one. And also
those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to
have. Any others?
Probably already mentioned above, but Ben and Jerry's sold out to Unilever years ago. They are a boutique of a much larger, stable, fiercely capitalist organization now. Kinda like the MSNBC of foods.
those seedy little "alt-weekly" newspapers that every big city seems to
have. Any others?
Probably already mentioned above, but Ben and Jerry's sold out to Unilever years ago. They are a boutique of a much larger, stable, fiercely capitalist organization now. Kinda like the MSNBC of foods.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:09 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Amy Shumer... at May 31, 2017 01:10 PM (NgKpN)
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Oh, it sucked on stilts. I listened to it a bunch of times, and none of the AA talk jocks knew how to do radio. Al Franken was a frightful bore.
All except for Randi Rhodes, who, even though she's a drunken unhinged moonbat, actually knew how to use the medium.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (pyNb1)
I kept waiting for Mike Malloy to drown in his own bile.....
All except for Randi Rhodes, who, even though she's a drunken unhinged moonbat, actually knew how to use the medium.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 01:03 PM (pyNb1)
I kept waiting for Mike Malloy to drown in his own bile.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:10 PM (ujg0T)
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OFH AlextheChick, I hope that did not happen. No one 'deserves' to see their parent presented as being executed.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (GBWQj)
Yeah, I hope this is another "sources say" lie.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (GBWQj)
Yeah, I hope this is another "sources say" lie.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 31, 2017 01:10 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 31, 2017 01:10 PM (LTHVh)
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What does this imply for the less-reputable branches of the Baggins family tree?
Let's just note that the T. Baggins branch wasn't invited to many birthday parties.
What does this imply for the less-reputable branches of the Baggins family tree?
Let's just note that the T. Baggins branch wasn't invited to many birthday parties.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (W6iva)
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Inzy failed because Reddit simply started moderating republican viewpoints... essentially doing exactly what Inzy said they would do.
Posted by: reality man at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (xOBRH)
Posted by: Under Fire at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (l4aLi)
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Great post, OM!
One question Dennis Prager asks that gets interesting responses is this (paraphrasing from memory): OK, if you don't believe in the 10 Commandments, you reject religious underpinnings of what is considered societal behavior, then on what basis do you predicate killing is wrong?
One question Dennis Prager asks that gets interesting responses is this (paraphrasing from memory): OK, if you don't believe in the 10 Commandments, you reject religious underpinnings of what is considered societal behavior, then on what basis do you predicate killing is wrong?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (NOIQH)
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damn laptop keyboards
Posted by: reality man at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (xOBRH)
159
Paul Covfefe was the best defenseman the Oilers ever had.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (U2rG9)
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How is a Safe Space any different from being a village of Stepford Wives?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (rAqYf)
Because the Stepford Wives would actually have Sex with you?
Probably not happenin in a 'safe space'...
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (rAqYf)
Because the Stepford Wives would actually have Sex with you?
Probably not happenin in a 'safe space'...
Posted by: Don Q. at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (NgKpN)
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Progressivism means being able to show a kid, through a public forum, the severed head of his dad, who taught him to throw a baseball, and expecting that to be absolutely acceptable because Hitler.
Progressivism means being able to show a kid, through a public forum, the severed head of his dad, who taught him to throw a baseball, and expecting that to be absolutely acceptable because Hitler.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (C52a9)
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Eventually, though I decided not to publish the report, out of fear of being "outed" by them. So I deleted all the photos. Sigh.
Was it interesting? Or was it as boring as any other radio station probably is? (WKRP and NewsRadio notwithstanding.)
Was it interesting? Or was it as boring as any other radio station probably is? (WKRP and NewsRadio notwithstanding.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (u0s1P)
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Quibble: I don't believe Sweden had any stake in North Sea oil, nor did they rely on the USA for defense. Never were part of NATO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (7MWCL)
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It started in the 1980s with a feminist who wrote about male 'privilege' in American society, because they were more comfortable and fit in better: normal. Lunatic radicals grabbed the idea and ran with it for every situation that involves normality and typical American culture.
There's nothing 'privileged' in being ordinary. Its just not awkward and uncomfortable like being out of the ordinary.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (39g3+)
...
Rush frequently hammers on the theme that feminism is really a hangout for women who have otherwise failed to succeed at being female. I think he's right. There's every bit as much competition among women to outpace their co-gendered half of humanity as there is for men, and they don't all make it. Feminism is a victim-based fallback for them to justify to themselves why they lost.
There's nothing 'privileged' in being ordinary. Its just not awkward and uncomfortable like being out of the ordinary.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:08 PM (39g3+)
...
Rush frequently hammers on the theme that feminism is really a hangout for women who have otherwise failed to succeed at being female. I think he's right. There's every bit as much competition among women to outpace their co-gendered half of humanity as there is for men, and they don't all make it. Feminism is a victim-based fallback for them to justify to themselves why they lost.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (yL25O)
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Unilever...isn't that the company that killed all those people in India?
Posted by: cousin Eddie at May 31, 2017 01:13 PM (AGJqR)
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157 Great post, OM!
One question Dennis Prager asks that gets interesting responses is this (paraphrasing from memory): OK, if you don't believe in the 10 Commandments, you reject religious underpinnings of what is considered societal behavior, then on what basis do you predicate killing is wrong?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (NOIQH)
Their answer is always based on 'It's all relative' .
One question Dennis Prager asks that gets interesting responses is this (paraphrasing from memory): OK, if you don't believe in the 10 Commandments, you reject religious underpinnings of what is considered societal behavior, then on what basis do you predicate killing is wrong?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (NOIQH)
Their answer is always based on 'It's all relative' .
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 31, 2017 01:13 PM (z8oRC)
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Why would there need to be a separate radio channel for Progressive viewpoints anyway?. It's like saying a fish needs a special stream to swim in. Progressive streams are the majority of radio and TV. They bombed because they didn't fill any niche that wasn't already out there..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2017 01:13 PM (qES5k)
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"Oh look, Men of Color with Feathers in their Hair Brandishing Hatchets."
"Let's hug them!"
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:00 PM
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That's pretty effing hysterical.
"Oh look, Men of Color with Feathers in their Hair Brandishing Hatchets."
"Let's hug them!"
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:00 PM
--
That's pretty effing hysterical.
Posted by: shibumi at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (aT+Bx)
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166 That was Union Carbide
Posted by: steevy at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (rmVvL)
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Quibble: I don't believe Sweden had any stake in North Sea oil, nor did they rely on the USA for defense. Never were part of NATO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
No need for NATO. Herd immunity.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
No need for NATO. Herd immunity.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (U2rG9)
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Because the Stepford Wives would actually have Sex with you?
Probably not happenin in a 'safe space'...
In 1972, that would have been the whole premise of a safe space.
Now, nah.
We got our own mullahs.
Probably not happenin in a 'safe space'...
In 1972, that would have been the whole premise of a safe space.
Now, nah.
We got our own mullahs.
Posted by: JEM at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (TppKb)
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I guess there are all sorts of ways to sort this stuff. I have a hard time with good/evil, because I think essentially none of us are equipped to judge the balance of either in any other person.
We can judge actions, and we can even judge societies' tendencies, and decide a community is good/evil based on a preponderance of actions.
I just don't think that translates into individual character, or even explains individual actions. It's a fools game to seek to pass judgment on people, because we NEVER have enough information to do so.
And how this relates to the failure of leftist enterprises... well, I must admit this is going over my head.
We can judge actions, and we can even judge societies' tendencies, and decide a community is good/evil based on a preponderance of actions.
I just don't think that translates into individual character, or even explains individual actions. It's a fools game to seek to pass judgment on people, because we NEVER have enough information to do so.
And how this relates to the failure of leftist enterprises... well, I must admit this is going over my head.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (TOk1P)
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One question Dennis Prager asks that gets interesting responses is this (paraphrasing from memory): OK, if you don't believe in the 10 Commandments, you reject religious underpinnings of what is considered societal behavior, then on what basis do you predicate killing is wrong?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (NOIQH)
Well.... seeing as how the original commandment was about committing MURDER.... not Killing...
Killing is not wrong... the Bible is rife with examples of God COMMANDING people to kill...
Its only Modern Christianity which has taken the 'killing is wrong' meme as a major basis of philosophy.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (NOIQH)
Well.... seeing as how the original commandment was about committing MURDER.... not Killing...
Killing is not wrong... the Bible is rife with examples of God COMMANDING people to kill...
Its only Modern Christianity which has taken the 'killing is wrong' meme as a major basis of philosophy.
Posted by: Don Q. at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (NgKpN)
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166 Unilever...isn't that the company that killed all those people in India?
Posted by: cousin Eddie at May 31, 2017 01:13 PM (AGJqR)
Afraid we missed out on that one, Ed.
Posted by: cousin Eddie at May 31, 2017 01:13 PM (AGJqR)
Afraid we missed out on that one, Ed.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (7HtZB)
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*pauses*
There should be a Ten Years Later Stepford Wives novel out there. POV is a now teen girl from the original story. A rebel, a bad girl in town. And she wants to escape the perfect community before they do to her what they did to Mommy. Meanwhile Mommy still looks the same while Daddy has gone bald and fat.
There should be a Ten Years Later Stepford Wives novel out there. POV is a now teen girl from the original story. A rebel, a bad girl in town. And she wants to escape the perfect community before they do to her what they did to Mommy. Meanwhile Mommy still looks the same while Daddy has gone bald and fat.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (GBWQj)
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I kept waiting for Mike Malloy to drown in his own bile.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:10 PM (ujg0T)
Heavens to Murgatroyd, Malloy made Randi Rhodes sound sober as a judge.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:10 PM (ujg0T)
Heavens to Murgatroyd, Malloy made Randi Rhodes sound sober as a judge.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (pyNb1)
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166 Unilever...isn't that the company that killed all those people in India?
American Cyanamid. Now a part of Pfizer.
American Cyanamid. Now a part of Pfizer.
Posted by: Under Fire at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (l4aLi)
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I don't believe Sweden relyed on the USA for defense. Never were part of NATO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (7MWCL)
Yeah isn't that charming...but when the big bad bear rolls thru Europe, who are the swedes gonna call?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (7MWCL)
Yeah isn't that charming...but when the big bad bear rolls thru Europe, who are the swedes gonna call?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (SjImc)
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White Rover White Rover we dare Kathy over.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (IqV8l)
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162
Progressivism means being able to show a kid, through a public forum, the severed head of his dad, who taught him to throw a baseball, and expecting that to be absolutely acceptable because Hitler.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (C52a9)
To grind it down to the finest point you can get : Progressivism is all about Killing Dad.
Progressivism means being able to show a kid, through a public forum, the severed head of his dad, who taught him to throw a baseball, and expecting that to be absolutely acceptable because Hitler.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (C52a9)
To grind it down to the finest point you can get : Progressivism is all about Killing Dad.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (luj3F)
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I've been the oddball my entire life. I'm at peace with that, its who I am. People need to learn to deal with their life and problems instead of whining to the world to change so they don't feel bad any longer. That's the crap your 2 year old pulls screaming and thrashing on the floor. We're supposed to grow out of it.
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Amen.
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Amen.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (vg8iE)
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>>They bombed because they didn't fill any niche that wasn't already out there..
Like Al Jazeera America. As I remarked to my husband, we already have the BBC channel...
Like Al Jazeera America. As I remarked to my husband, we already have the BBC channel...
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (NOIQH)
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KPFA ... they at least sound professional.
I remember listening to a story one morning (don't ask why I was listening) by one of their reporters ("Africa Jones", IIRC), who pronounced tritium as "Try-TIN-INknee-u-umm.
I remember listening to a story one morning (don't ask why I was listening) by one of their reporters ("Africa Jones", IIRC), who pronounced tritium as "Try-TIN-INknee-u-umm.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (DMUuz)
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Fuck Sweden. And I say that as a once multiple Saab owner and routine Ikea shopper.
Hell, most of the Ikea stuff that I buy comes from Slovakia or South Carolina
Hell, most of the Ikea stuff that I buy comes from Slovakia or South Carolina
Posted by: JEM at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (TppKb)
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Imagine, for example, two villages - one lifted from say 1776 America
and on built on leftwing positions on the issues of the say re gender
identity, multiculturalism, socialism etc...but both villages with 1776
era technology. Does anyone believe that the leftwing village would
survive a generation without changing its policies to match the American
village?
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Google up "The True Story Of Thanksgiving"
Because the pilgrims started out as a commune and they all nearly starved to death.
and on built on leftwing positions on the issues of the say re gender
identity, multiculturalism, socialism etc...but both villages with 1776
era technology. Does anyone believe that the leftwing village would
survive a generation without changing its policies to match the American
village?
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Google up "The True Story Of Thanksgiving"
Because the pilgrims started out as a commune and they all nearly starved to death.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (8XRCm)
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Progressive Insurance seems to be thriving, and their company name ain't no accident.
One reason is they have targeted higher risk customers that the other 'biggies' shun.
And Google couldn't be more leftard if they moved their HQ to Cuba.
One reason is they have targeted higher risk customers that the other 'biggies' shun.
And Google couldn't be more leftard if they moved their HQ to Cuba.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (wTwJ2)
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Its only Modern Christianity which has taken the 'killing is wrong' meme as a major basis of philosophy.
Posted by: Don Q. at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (NgKpN)
And has tossed out the principle that it is as wrong to not serve just punishment as it is to mete out unjust punishment.
Posted by: Don Q. at May 31, 2017 01:14 PM (NgKpN)
And has tossed out the principle that it is as wrong to not serve just punishment as it is to mete out unjust punishment.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (yL25O)
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AoP, in WWII Sweden kept doing business with Germany even though 'neutral' in the war.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (GBWQj)
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163 Eventually, though I decided not to publish the report, out of fear of being "outed" by them. So I deleted all the photos. Sigh.
Was it interesting? Or was it as boring as any other radio station probably is? (WKRP and NewsRadio notwithstanding.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (u0s1P)
In Cincinnati?
Was it interesting? Or was it as boring as any other radio station probably is? (WKRP and NewsRadio notwithstanding.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (u0s1P)
In Cincinnati?
Posted by: Dr. Johny Fever... looking for phone cops... at May 31, 2017 01:17 PM (NgKpN)
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Fuck Sweden.
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If you change your mind, I'm the first in line
Honey I'm still free
Take a chance on me
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If you change your mind, I'm the first in line
Honey I'm still free
Take a chance on me
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 01:17 PM (8XRCm)
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171 Quibble: I don't believe Sweden had any stake in North Sea oil, nor did they rely on the USA for defense. Never were part of NATO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Somebody pointed out earlier it was probably Norway I was thinking of, with the North Sea Oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Somebody pointed out earlier it was probably Norway I was thinking of, with the North Sea Oil.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at May 31, 2017 01:17 PM (pyNb1)
Posted by: Under Fire at May 31, 2017 01:17 PM (l4aLi)
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who pronounced tritium as "Try-TIN-INknee-u-umm.
Remember these are the people who are trying to tell us that global warming is a fact.
Remember these are the people who are trying to tell us that global warming is a fact.
Posted by: JEM at May 31, 2017 01:17 PM (TppKb)
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179 I don't believe Sweden relyed on the USA for defense. Never were part of NATO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (7MWCL)
Yeah isn't that charming...but when the big bad bear rolls thru Europe, who are the swedes gonna call?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (SjImc)
Their jihadi rapists?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2017 01:12 PM (7MWCL)
Yeah isn't that charming...but when the big bad bear rolls thru Europe, who are the swedes gonna call?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (SjImc)
Their jihadi rapists?
Posted by: CN at May 31, 2017 01:18 PM (2+tI4)
196
163 Eventually, though I decided not to publish the report, out of fear of being "outed" by them. So I deleted all the photos. Sigh.
Was it interesting? Or was it as boring as any other radio station probably is? (WKRP and NewsRadio notwithstanding.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick
It was...predictable. Just a lots of cubicles with hilarious/shopworn leftist heroes and imagery -- Che Guevara posters, "Impeach Bush" stickers, "Coexist" signs, Maoist propaganda, /Soviet chic, etc. etc. Not so much an "expose´" but a mockery of their predictable buffoonery.
But since I was interviewed on air as part of my actual real-world name/persona, and since the report would be published under "zombie"/online persona, I was afraid that someone would put two and two together and figure out who took the photos. Not worth the risk for a "minor" report created just for laffs.
Was it interesting? Or was it as boring as any other radio station probably is? (WKRP and NewsRadio notwithstanding.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick
It was...predictable. Just a lots of cubicles with hilarious/shopworn leftist heroes and imagery -- Che Guevara posters, "Impeach Bush" stickers, "Coexist" signs, Maoist propaganda, /Soviet chic, etc. etc. Not so much an "expose´" but a mockery of their predictable buffoonery.
But since I was interviewed on air as part of my actual real-world name/persona, and since the report would be published under "zombie"/online persona, I was afraid that someone would put two and two together and figure out who took the photos. Not worth the risk for a "minor" report created just for laffs.
Posted by: zombie at May 31, 2017 01:18 PM (DQ4Fv)
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>>To grind it down to the finest point you can get : Progressivism is all about Killing Dad. Posted by: Hikaru at May 31, 2017 01:15 PM (luj3F)
Apropos of progressivism, allow Derrida to grind it even further:
ProGressIVism:KilLinG
Apropos of progressivism, allow Derrida to grind it even further:
ProGressIVism:KilLinG
Posted by: General Zod at May 31, 2017 01:18 PM (Bdeb0)
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Paul Covfefe was the best defenseman the Oilers ever had.
Posted by: josephistan
His cousin is Joe Btfsplk.
Paul Covfefe was the best defenseman the Oilers ever had.
Posted by: josephistan
His cousin is Joe Btfsplk.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (IqV8l)
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>>Its only Modern Christianity which has taken the 'killing is wrong' meme as a major basis of philosophy.
Fine, but the point still is: how do you decide what is right and wrong?
You get a bunch of Obamas who say sinning (transgressing, law-breaking) is when I am out of alignment with my values - and we all know how his values are...not in alignment with a lot of western civilization.
Fine, but the point still is: how do you decide what is right and wrong?
You get a bunch of Obamas who say sinning (transgressing, law-breaking) is when I am out of alignment with my values - and we all know how his values are...not in alignment with a lot of western civilization.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (NOIQH)
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166 Unilever...isn't that the company that killed all those people in India?
Posted by: cousin Eddie at May 31, 2017 01:13 PM (AGJqR)
I think Union Carbide may have gotten a bad rap on that one. First, they were responsible and built the plant out far away from where people lived, but because it was far away from anything else their workers set up a shanty town right outside the gates, thereby putting themselves in the crosshairs of any future accident.
That, and add in the stringent Third World safety practices of their employees, stir, wait, and voila! A catastrophe ensues. For which they were blamed.
Posted by: cousin Eddie at May 31, 2017 01:13 PM (AGJqR)
I think Union Carbide may have gotten a bad rap on that one. First, they were responsible and built the plant out far away from where people lived, but because it was far away from anything else their workers set up a shanty town right outside the gates, thereby putting themselves in the crosshairs of any future accident.
That, and add in the stringent Third World safety practices of their employees, stir, wait, and voila! A catastrophe ensues. For which they were blamed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (eMKNe)
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Regarding the 10 Commandments, the admonition is not about killing (this is done all the time for any number of legitimate reasons) it's against "murder".
Posted by: navybrat at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (w7KSn)
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Progressivism=Cold Fusion.
Posted by: Lower class person whose opinions must be guided at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (oBuXO)
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To grind it down to the finest point you can get : Progressivism is all about Killing Dad.
Posted by: Hikaru
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Yeah. That's better. And accurate.
(D)addyIssues.
To grind it down to the finest point you can get : Progressivism is all about Killing Dad.
Posted by: Hikaru
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Yeah. That's better. And accurate.
(D)addyIssues.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:20 PM (C52a9)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 31, 2017 01:20 PM (u82oZ)
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Their revolutions, their invasions, their hostile takeovers have almost always instantly killed the host.
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Even Thrush managed to make its front operations into going concerns!
Their revolutions, their invasions, their hostile takeovers have almost always instantly killed the host.
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Even Thrush managed to make its front operations into going concerns!
Posted by: Napoleon Solo at May 31, 2017 01:20 PM (QLHJG)
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If that story is true, I hope Trump does an Oval Office address where he calls her a vile cunt on live tv. \-------------
Simmer down now. Simmmer.
Simmer down now. Simmmer.
Posted by: simplemind at May 31, 2017 01:20 PM (xVRrG)
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CNN has a hot take on the troubling implications of covfefe.
The media has essentially turned into your square middle school vice principle who had zero sense of humor and wore clothing two decades out of date.
The media has essentially turned into your square middle school vice principle who had zero sense of humor and wore clothing two decades out of date.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 31, 2017 01:22 PM (4ErVI)
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CNN Severs Griffin, liberals hating on CNN
Posted by: CN at May 31, 2017 01:22 PM (2+tI4)
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189 AoP, in WWII Sweden kept doing business with Germany even though 'neutral' in the war.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (GBWQj)
I'm not sure I blame them for that. Consider that Germany had invaded Norway and was allied with Finland, thereby bracketing Sweden, it didn't take a genius to realize that for a country of 12 million in that position getting snarky with Germany was not a good idea.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (GBWQj)
I'm not sure I blame them for that. Consider that Germany had invaded Norway and was allied with Finland, thereby bracketing Sweden, it didn't take a genius to realize that for a country of 12 million in that position getting snarky with Germany was not a good idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:22 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Lower class person whose opinions must be guided at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (oBuXO)
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201 Hey everybody.
Hearing at Twitter that CNN has finally fired Kathy Griffin.
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (eMKNe)
Now she'll have to pretend to give Anderson Cooper a blowie on her own dime.
Hearing at Twitter that CNN has finally fired Kathy Griffin.
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (eMKNe)
Now she'll have to pretend to give Anderson Cooper a blowie on her own dime.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (7HtZB)
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Sweden's relative success is/was due to its homogeneity, kind of the opposite of diversity (OK, heterogeneity actually).
Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (yOqwj)
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Hearing at Twitter that CNN has finally fired Kathy Griffin.
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They'll just send her to horseback-riding rehab camp like Weiner.
BTW - Did anybody catch Todd Rundgren on Tucker?
Talk about shuttup and sing. Guess I will have to restart The Great Album Burnings
Hearing at Twitter that CNN has finally fired Kathy Griffin.
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They'll just send her to horseback-riding rehab camp like Weiner.
BTW - Did anybody catch Todd Rundgren on Tucker?
Talk about shuttup and sing. Guess I will have to restart The Great Album Burnings
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (C52a9)
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>>>any thriving progressive institution that started out that way and remain true to its progressive roots
Planned Parenthood?
Planned Parenthood?
Posted by: m at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (VgThI)
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>>CNN Severs Griffin, liberals hating on CNN
The Alt Right claims another scalp!
I denounce myself!!
The Alt Right claims another scalp!
I denounce myself!!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (NOIQH)
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You can't take away people's right to be assh*les!
. . . That's who you remind me of, an Evil Mr. Rogers.
. . . That's who you remind me of, an Evil Mr. Rogers.
Posted by: Simon Phoenix, to every Libtard Tyrant Everywhere at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (ndGCC)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (8XRCm)
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209 CNN Severs Griffin, liberals hating on CNN
Posted by: CN at May 31, 2017 01:22 PM (2+tI4)
Ah, it's agood better day in the neighborhood.
Posted by: CN at May 31, 2017 01:22 PM (2+tI4)
Ah, it's a
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (SRKgf)
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Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2017 01:09 PM (yOqwj)
He has books too. Two low magic fantasy and a werewolf vs. nazi one. All good reads with a mix of philosophy and useful knowledge thrown in.
He has books too. Two low magic fantasy and a werewolf vs. nazi one. All good reads with a mix of philosophy and useful knowledge thrown in.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (sEDyY)
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Sweden is able to survive by fashioning together a government controlled export import business with Allen wrenches and press board.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (z8oRC)
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218 Sweden's relative success is/was due to its homogeneity
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See also: Japan
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (8XRCm)
But how ever did they overcome the disadvantage of lacking diversity?
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See also: Japan
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (8XRCm)
But how ever did they overcome the disadvantage of lacking diversity?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (SRKgf)
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I'm sure they will finally find that hoarders and wreckers were the problem as always.
http://tinyurl.com/y8zcbafl
http://tinyurl.com/y8zcbafl
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (d3wbb)
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Sweden's relative success is/was due to its homogeneity
Homo genes? I guess they are born that way.
Homo genes? I guess they are born that way.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (7HtZB)
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PPV Gold
Melania using a TASER repeatedly on Kathy Griffin over Barron seeing that image. Along with kicks to the ribs while wearing a pair of Manolo Blahniks.
Melania using a TASER repeatedly on Kathy Griffin over Barron seeing that image. Along with kicks to the ribs while wearing a pair of Manolo Blahniks.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (GBWQj)
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Nood
Posted by: steevy at May 31, 2017 01:25 PM (rmVvL)
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212 201 Hey everybody.
Hearing at Twitter that CNN has finally fired Kathy Griffin.
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (eMKNe)
Now she'll have to pretend to give Anderson Cooper a blowie on her own dime.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (7HtZB)
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She'll get supported by elements of the Resistance to keep her comedy routine going somehow.
I mean, Keith Olbermann still pulls down a semblance of a paycheck these days, right?
Hearing at Twitter that CNN has finally fired Kathy Griffin.
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (eMKNe)
Now she'll have to pretend to give Anderson Cooper a blowie on her own dime.
Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (7HtZB)
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She'll get supported by elements of the Resistance to keep her comedy routine going somehow.
I mean, Keith Olbermann still pulls down a semblance of a paycheck these days, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 31, 2017 01:25 PM (viSzi)
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His cousin is Joe Btfsplk.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (IqV8l)
I LOLd. Wonder how many people get that reference?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM (IqV8l)
I LOLd. Wonder how many people get that reference?
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 31, 2017 01:25 PM (wtvvX)
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More.... if we are judged by our actions... if there is a Heaven and Hell...
Then Judgement is a necessary component of being good... and you must be free to CHOOSE one path or the other...
For otherwise, how could we be held accountable...
So, if someone is FORCED to be good, by threat of violence... is he actually Good? As he has not freely chosen that path?
Yep.
Super-lazy, consumptive atheist response: Yeah, uh, but if God is all-powerful, why can't he just make a Universe where bad just isn't an option and everyone is happy?
Then Judgement is a necessary component of being good... and you must be free to CHOOSE one path or the other...
For otherwise, how could we be held accountable...
So, if someone is FORCED to be good, by threat of violence... is he actually Good? As he has not freely chosen that path?
Yep.
Super-lazy, consumptive atheist response: Yeah, uh, but if God is all-powerful, why can't he just make a Universe where bad just isn't an option and everyone is happy?
Posted by: bonhomme at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (4aG2t)
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I'm a Christian role playing gamer, I've been the oddball my entire life. I'm at peace with that, its who I am. People need to learn to deal with their life and problems instead of whining to the world to change so they don't feel bad any longer. That's the crap your 2 year old pulls screaming and thrashing on the floor. We're supposed to grow out of it.
I know the feeling. I have a lot of geek friends, and as a conservative Catholic I'm 180 degrees from where most of them are. I'm fine with it. It's lost me some friends over the years, but that's probably for the best.
I know the feeling. I have a lot of geek friends, and as a conservative Catholic I'm 180 degrees from where most of them are. I'm fine with it. It's lost me some friends over the years, but that's probably for the best.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (Tnhbr)
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Swedens iron ore export is what kept the Germans from taking it and is one of the main things that keeps it going today.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (z8oRC)
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Screw CNN, screw Griffin, screw Sweden
Metaphorically, of course.
It would take something beyond the current Dewalt catalog to dig a meaningful hole in Sweden.
Metaphorically, of course.
It would take something beyond the current Dewalt catalog to dig a meaningful hole in Sweden.
Posted by: JEM at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (vg8iE)
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Sweden is able to survive by fashioning together a
government controlled export import business with Allen wrenches and
press board.
Posted by: Jack Sock
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M-O-O-N that spells furniture.
Everybody knows that!
government controlled export import business with Allen wrenches and
press board.
Posted by: Jack Sock
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M-O-O-N that spells furniture.
Everybody knows that!
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (C52a9)
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You could see it on the faces of the whole family during the inauguration, they live in fear of Donald Trump being assassinated. They expect it, even without saying it. The stress and fear on Melania's face was plainly etched, she tried to put on a brave face for him but she was scared.
I feel bad for little Barron even if he has a terrible name.
I feel bad for little Barron even if he has a terrible name.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (39g3+)
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223 I'm sure they will finally find that hoarders and wreckers were the problem as always.
http://tinyurl.com/y8zcbafl
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (d3wbb)
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Socialism only works when every single person is 100% on board with it at all times, according to Chomsky.
And this is an attainable dream, how?
Chomsky is viewed favorably as a thinker by people, how?
http://tinyurl.com/y8zcbafl
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (d3wbb)
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Socialism only works when every single person is 100% on board with it at all times, according to Chomsky.
And this is an attainable dream, how?
Chomsky is viewed favorably as a thinker by people, how?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (viSzi)
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I think KO is living off of investments and saved money these days.
Plus apparently he knows of a NYC Goodwill that will pay good money for "sticky" used grannie panties, apparently. :-P
Plus apparently he knows of a NYC Goodwill that will pay good money for "sticky" used grannie panties, apparently. :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (eMKNe)
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Do Ben and Jerry have the same pay wealth as their workers? Are all decisions there made by workers committees?
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (d3wbb)
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Yeah, uh, but if God is all-powerful, why can't he just make a Universe where bad just isn't an option and everyone is happy?
Posted by: bonhomme at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (4aG2t)
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You mean...... HEAVEN??
Posted by: bonhomme at May 31, 2017 01:26 PM (4aG2t)
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You mean...... HEAVEN??
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (8XRCm)
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213 Sweden's relative success is/was due to its homogeneity, kind of the opposite of diversity (OK, heterogeneity actually).
Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (yOqwj)
THIS. Bingo. Import enough aliens and I bet Sweden's harmonious welfare state falls apart.
On a related note, devil's advocate question here: Would LBJ's "Great Society" have succeeded if:
1. No opening of the borders to non-Europeans in 1965, and
2. "Black Power" was suppressed by force and a monocultural norm imposed on the USA???
Discuss.
Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2017 01:23 PM (yOqwj)
THIS. Bingo. Import enough aliens and I bet Sweden's harmonious welfare state falls apart.
On a related note, devil's advocate question here: Would LBJ's "Great Society" have succeeded if:
1. No opening of the borders to non-Europeans in 1965, and
2. "Black Power" was suppressed by force and a monocultural norm imposed on the USA???
Discuss.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (ujg0T)
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One question Dennis Prager asks that gets interesting responses is this (paraphrasing from memory): OK, if you don't believe in the 10 Commandments, you reject religious underpinnings of what is considered societal behavior, then on what basis do you predicate killing is wrong?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (NOIQH)
I will presume you mean murder rather than killing.
There are multiple answers to that:
Let's start with this: Humans have innate value and no person has a right to deprive another of matters of value unwillingly.
How about this: Each individual has a right to bodily integrity. Bodily integrity is both necessary and sufficient to identify a person as an individual. Murder is an unwilling violation of bodily integrity and thus must be prohibited.
Then there's this: Humanity is marked by sentience, intelligence and free will. Murder is a violation of free will and, thus, a rejection of humanity.
That's a question that people who have never bothered to think through any philosophic or religious questions at all think is a gotcha question and Prager is smarter than that. Bluntly, I think less of him for knowing he does this.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 31, 2017 01:11 PM (NOIQH)
I will presume you mean murder rather than killing.
There are multiple answers to that:
Let's start with this: Humans have innate value and no person has a right to deprive another of matters of value unwillingly.
How about this: Each individual has a right to bodily integrity. Bodily integrity is both necessary and sufficient to identify a person as an individual. Murder is an unwilling violation of bodily integrity and thus must be prohibited.
Then there's this: Humanity is marked by sentience, intelligence and free will. Murder is a violation of free will and, thus, a rejection of humanity.
That's a question that people who have never bothered to think through any philosophic or religious questions at all think is a gotcha question and Prager is smarter than that. Bluntly, I think less of him for knowing he does this.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (mf5HN)
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Sharia Law Lesson:
Woman raped at gunpoint sentenced to death by stoning after attacker accuses her of seducing him..
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7br9bxu
Link to WZ
Woman raped at gunpoint sentenced to death by stoning after attacker accuses her of seducing him..
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7br9bxu
Link to WZ
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (r5KeJ)
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>>221
Sweden is able to survive by fashioning together a government controlled
export import business with Allen wrenches and press board. Posted by: Jack Sock at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (z8oRC)
Which products it then names after the various sounds made by dropping said Allen wrench on a hard surface.
Sweden is able to survive by fashioning together a government controlled
export import business with Allen wrenches and press board. Posted by: Jack Sock at May 31, 2017 01:24 PM (z8oRC)
Which products it then names after the various sounds made by dropping said Allen wrench on a hard surface.
Posted by: General Zod at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)
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NOOD. Ace is awake.
Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01 at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (ukNFU)
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Big whoop, as I understand it, Griffin worked one day a year at CNN (New Year's Eve)?
As for Rundgren, there will be no burning of the debut UTOPIA album, chez whatwhatwhat. His wimpy pop shit may be burned, however.
I freakin' love that first UTOPIA album and always have. It has a killer 35-minute epic on it, fergodssake. As a Progrock fanatic, it's in my DNA to love it.
As for Rundgren, there will be no burning of the debut UTOPIA album, chez whatwhatwhat. His wimpy pop shit may be burned, however.
I freakin' love that first UTOPIA album and always have. It has a killer 35-minute epic on it, fergodssake. As a Progrock fanatic, it's in my DNA to love it.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (ul9CR)
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To grind it down to the finest point you can get : Progressivism is all about Killing Dad.
Posted by: Hikaru
My liberal acquaintance has a daughter who's a flaming carpet muncher, and who regularly posts militant leftist and feminist crap about "smashing the patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity."
The funny part is that her father and brother - the only two males in the family - are about as wishy-washy namby-pambys as you could ever hope to find.
So what does she know about toxic masculinity? Those two are about as toxically masculine as Pajama Boy.
Posted by: Hikaru
My liberal acquaintance has a daughter who's a flaming carpet muncher, and who regularly posts militant leftist and feminist crap about "smashing the patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity."
The funny part is that her father and brother - the only two males in the family - are about as wishy-washy namby-pambys as you could ever hope to find.
So what does she know about toxic masculinity? Those two are about as toxically masculine as Pajama Boy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (SRKgf)
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Sweden is able to survive by fashioning together a
government controlled export import business with Allen wrenches and
press board.
Posted by: Jack Sock
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FACT:
The largest business concern of the 70's and 80's was ABBA.
government controlled export import business with Allen wrenches and
press board.
Posted by: Jack Sock
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FACT:
The largest business concern of the 70's and 80's was ABBA.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: yoko ono at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (nlbfN)
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We're all willow now.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (C52a9)
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stringent Third World safety practices of their employees, stir, wait, and voila! A catastrophe ensues. For which they were blamed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM
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Yes, Union Carbide built the plant, but then they were asked to leave, and locals ran the place (more accurately misran it). Then, when it hit the fan, UC was blamed, and took a huge financial hit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:19 PM
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Yes, Union Carbide built the plant, but then they were asked to leave, and locals ran the place (more accurately misran it). Then, when it hit the fan, UC was blamed, and took a huge financial hit.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (7ZVPa)
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>>Bluntly, I think less of him for knowing he does this. Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (mf5HN)
Concur wholly.
Concur wholly.
Posted by: General Zod at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (Bdeb0)
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I'm not sure I blame them for that. Consider that Germany had invaded Norway and was allied with Finland, thereby bracketing Sweden, it didn't take a genius to realize that for a country of 12 million in that position getting snarky with Germany was not a good idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:22 PM (SRKgf)
See also Spain. Franco walked a tightrope and he knew it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:22 PM (SRKgf)
See also Spain. Franco walked a tightrope and he knew it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (ujg0T)
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168 Why would there need to be a separate radio channel for Progressive viewpoints anyway?. It's like saying a fish needs a special stream to swim in. Progressive streams are the majority of radio and TV. They bombed because they didn't fill any niche that wasn't already out there..
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Remember that notion that Cankles pushed, that there was a "vast right-wing conspiracy" against Bill (and by extension, of course, her). Their narrative is that the media is all right-wingers. So, by that logic, a new channel that was purely left-wing was bound to prosper!
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Remember that notion that Cankles pushed, that there was a "vast right-wing conspiracy" against Bill (and by extension, of course, her). Their narrative is that the media is all right-wingers. So, by that logic, a new channel that was purely left-wing was bound to prosper!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 31, 2017 01:29 PM (QLHJG)
Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2017 01:29 PM (yOqwj)
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PPV Gold
Melania using a TASER repeatedly on Kathy Griffin over Barron seeing that image. Along with kicks to the ribs while wearing a pair of Manolo Blahniks.
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I pay money just to watch Melania with Barron at her side walk up to Griffen's door and ring the bell. And when she answered, Melania says to Barron: "See Barron, she's nothing to be afraid of, just a sad lonely old woman seeking attention. Now, let's go get some Chik Fil 'A ."
Melania using a TASER repeatedly on Kathy Griffin over Barron seeing that image. Along with kicks to the ribs while wearing a pair of Manolo Blahniks.
===============
I pay money just to watch Melania with Barron at her side walk up to Griffen's door and ring the bell. And when she answered, Melania says to Barron: "See Barron, she's nothing to be afraid of, just a sad lonely old woman seeking attention. Now, let's go get some Chik Fil 'A ."
Posted by: simplemind at May 31, 2017 01:29 PM (xVRrG)
Posted by: JEM at May 31, 2017 01:29 PM (TppKb)
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Has anyone with mad photoshopping skills started pasting bloody severed heads of Obama or Hillay! or Clinton or Pelosi or Whatever Hollywood wanker of the moment onto Kathy Griffin's "joke" ISIS photo?
Then posted them all over twitter so the rest of us could laugh and laugh and laugh at this exquisite joke?
And I'm sure the Progressives would laugh just as much becuz of their excellent senses of humor.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 31, 2017 01:02 PM (NyJwR)
I suggested last night that somebody do a p-shop to place a "mohammed" head in her hands. Then circulate the pic through the radical islamic sites.
Then posted them all over twitter so the rest of us could laugh and laugh and laugh at this exquisite joke?
And I'm sure the Progressives would laugh just as much becuz of their excellent senses of humor.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 31, 2017 01:02 PM (NyJwR)
I suggested last night that somebody do a p-shop to place a "mohammed" head in her hands. Then circulate the pic through the radical islamic sites.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2017 01:29 PM (7MWCL)
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242 Sharia Law Lesson:
Woman raped at gunpoint sentenced to death by stoning after attacker accuses her of seducing him..
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7br9bxu
Link to WZ
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (r5KeJ)
Feminists here have anything to say about that? Anyone? Bueller? Or is this one of their rare occasions when they STFU? If so, it joins saying "check please" as a means of shutting them up.
Woman raped at gunpoint sentenced to death by stoning after attacker accuses her of seducing him..
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7br9bxu
Link to WZ
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 31, 2017 01:27 PM (r5KeJ)
Feminists here have anything to say about that? Anyone? Bueller? Or is this one of their rare occasions when they STFU? If so, it joins saying "check please" as a means of shutting them up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:30 PM (SRKgf)
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Progressive Insurance seems to be thriving, and their company name ain't no accident.
One reason is they have targeted higher risk customers that the other 'biggies' shun.
And Google couldn't be more leftard if they moved their HQ to Cuba.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (wTwJ2)
If we're making a list, add Starbucks, Microsoft, Apple... hell, MOST of the Pacific Northwest. Add in Huffington Post. And that leftist news organization (masquerading as right leaning), Fox News.
One reason is they have targeted higher risk customers that the other 'biggies' shun.
And Google couldn't be more leftard if they moved their HQ to Cuba.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (wTwJ2)
If we're making a list, add Starbucks, Microsoft, Apple... hell, MOST of the Pacific Northwest. Add in Huffington Post. And that leftist news organization (masquerading as right leaning), Fox News.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 31, 2017 01:30 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 31, 2017 01:31 PM (d3wbb)
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>>>I remember first reading this almost 40 years ago, and it just made so much sense.
Don't you mean 29 years ago?
Don't you mean 29 years ago?
Posted by: Max Power at May 31, 2017 01:31 PM (q177U)
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Great post, by the way.
Posted by: Max Power at May 31, 2017 01:31 PM (q177U)
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See also Spain. Franco walked a tightrope and he knew it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (ujg0T)
Yep. Franco actually did some pretty fancy footwork. He got Hitler and Mussolini to support him, the only way he could possibly win with Stalin supporting the Republicans, and then delicately stiffed them when WWII started.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (ujg0T)
Yep. Franco actually did some pretty fancy footwork. He got Hitler and Mussolini to support him, the only way he could possibly win with Stalin supporting the Republicans, and then delicately stiffed them when WWII started.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:32 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Mohamed Muhammed Achmed at May 31, 2017 01:33 PM (TppKb)
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Progressive companies and institutions.
Apparel manufacturer Patagonia. Owner is a hardcore prog. Lots of highminded talk, but I don't see him selling Hairshirts or woven pampus grass sandals. They use modern synthetic fibers to make their overpriced goods.
Sierra Club/EDF. Cutthroat grifter-lawyers cheat well-meaning idealistic fools out their hard earned money and con them into performing missionary work masked as volunteerism.
Apparel manufacturer Patagonia. Owner is a hardcore prog. Lots of highminded talk, but I don't see him selling Hairshirts or woven pampus grass sandals. They use modern synthetic fibers to make their overpriced goods.
Sierra Club/EDF. Cutthroat grifter-lawyers cheat well-meaning idealistic fools out their hard earned money and con them into performing missionary work masked as volunteerism.
Posted by: 13times at May 31, 2017 01:34 PM (WHVu+)
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263 See also Spain. Franco walked a tightrope and he knew it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (ujg0T)
Yep. Franco actually did some pretty fancy footwork. He got Hitler and Mussolini to support him, the only way he could possibly win with Stalin supporting the Republicans, and then delicately stiffed them when WWII started.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:32 PM (SRKgf)
The more I study him, the more respectful I become. Not only was the Left in Spain absolutely batshit, but Franco shrewdly allowed the fanatics in his camp to go volunteer to get killed on the Eastern Front, all while having his diplomats quietly reassure the UK and the USA.
Repositioning all his military in the Pyrenees Mountains, as if he expected Hitler to stab him in the back at any moment, was also a good move.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (ujg0T)
Yep. Franco actually did some pretty fancy footwork. He got Hitler and Mussolini to support him, the only way he could possibly win with Stalin supporting the Republicans, and then delicately stiffed them when WWII started.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:32 PM (SRKgf)
The more I study him, the more respectful I become. Not only was the Left in Spain absolutely batshit, but Franco shrewdly allowed the fanatics in his camp to go volunteer to get killed on the Eastern Front, all while having his diplomats quietly reassure the UK and the USA.
Repositioning all his military in the Pyrenees Mountains, as if he expected Hitler to stab him in the back at any moment, was also a good move.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2017 01:36 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: simplemind at May 31, 2017 01:36 PM (xVRrG)
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Let's start with this: Humans have innate value and no person has a right to deprive another of matters of value unwillingly.
How about this: Each individual has a right to bodily integrity. Bodily integrity is both necessary and sufficient to identify a person as an individual. Murder is an unwilling violation of bodily integrity and thus must be prohibited.
Then there's this: Humanity is marked by sentience, intelligence and free will. Murder is a violation of free will and, thus, a rejection of humanity.
Each of those is arbitrarily assigning value to humans without objective, absolute basis, then assigning an ethical structure to that value.
In other words, you're just declaring these things to be true, then presuming that since they are true, a certain response is ethically mandated. Based simply on an assertion. Which is no more or less valid than someone who asserts that some or all humans are unworthy of life, and human life has no value. Or even someone who declares humanity an evil blight on the world that ought to be wiped out.
Their assertion and bald insistence is no less or more valid than yours. Because its all simply based on what you state to be true, to you.
And that's the heart of postmodernism.
How about this: Each individual has a right to bodily integrity. Bodily integrity is both necessary and sufficient to identify a person as an individual. Murder is an unwilling violation of bodily integrity and thus must be prohibited.
Then there's this: Humanity is marked by sentience, intelligence and free will. Murder is a violation of free will and, thus, a rejection of humanity.
Each of those is arbitrarily assigning value to humans without objective, absolute basis, then assigning an ethical structure to that value.
In other words, you're just declaring these things to be true, then presuming that since they are true, a certain response is ethically mandated. Based simply on an assertion. Which is no more or less valid than someone who asserts that some or all humans are unworthy of life, and human life has no value. Or even someone who declares humanity an evil blight on the world that ought to be wiped out.
Their assertion and bald insistence is no less or more valid than yours. Because its all simply based on what you state to be true, to you.
And that's the heart of postmodernism.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:39 PM (39g3+)
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Swedish homogeneity?
Yeah, right.
Posted by: Mohamed Muhammed Achmed at May 31, 2017 01:33 PM
Yeah, well, you're just a Norse of a different color.
Yeah, right.
Posted by: Mohamed Muhammed Achmed at May 31, 2017 01:33 PM
Yeah, well, you're just a Norse of a different color.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2017 01:39 PM (p+Wdc)
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246 My liberal acquaintance has a daughter who's a flaming carpet muncher, and who regularly posts militant leftist and feminist crap about "smashing the patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity."
The funny part is that her father and brother - the only two males in the family - are about as wishy-washy namby-pambys as you could ever hope to find.
So what does she know about toxic masculinity? Those two are about as toxically masculine as Pajama Boy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (SRKgf)
On the other hand, my father hates everything about me and every couple of months decides he has to let me know about it in detail, and I'm STILL not a progtard.
The funny part is that her father and brother - the only two males in the family - are about as wishy-washy namby-pambys as you could ever hope to find.
So what does she know about toxic masculinity? Those two are about as toxically masculine as Pajama Boy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 31, 2017 01:28 PM (SRKgf)
On the other hand, my father hates everything about me and every couple of months decides he has to let me know about it in detail, and I'm STILL not a progtard.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 31, 2017 01:40 PM (luj3F)
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If we're making a list, add Starbucks, Microsoft, Apple... hell, MOST of the Pacific Northwest. Add in Huffington Post. And that leftist news organization (masquerading as right leaning), Fox News.
But none of those businesses run their organizations on socialist principles. They're all capitalist organizations that espouse leftist ideology.
But none of those businesses run their organizations on socialist principles. They're all capitalist organizations that espouse leftist ideology.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:41 PM (39g3+)
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Unfortunately, the dog_rates twitter account tweeted out a pic of a hat joking about covfefe, and followed that up with a tweet saying half the profits from it would go to Planned Parenthood.
It's unfortunate because the politics of the person (people?) who run that account are none of my business and I don't care to make them my business. But if you want to make it my business and I'm reluctantly forced to assume that buying stuff from you and reading your stuff supports an organization I abhor, I'll sadly conclude I have to turn elsewhere.
That account has millions of followers, and they won't miss me and the other people who will unfollow it. It's just sad that it, like the Honest Toddler feed, had to be spoiled because progressives can't separate their politics from the rest of their lives.
It's unfortunate because the politics of the person (people?) who run that account are none of my business and I don't care to make them my business. But if you want to make it my business and I'm reluctantly forced to assume that buying stuff from you and reading your stuff supports an organization I abhor, I'll sadly conclude I have to turn elsewhere.
That account has millions of followers, and they won't miss me and the other people who will unfollow it. It's just sad that it, like the Honest Toddler feed, had to be spoiled because progressives can't separate their politics from the rest of their lives.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at May 31, 2017 01:41 PM (F26eZ)
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268 Each of those is arbitrarily assigning value to humans without objective, absolute basis, then assigning an ethical structure to that value.
In other words, you're just declaring these things to be true, then presuming that since they are true, a certain response is ethically mandated. Based simply on an assertion. Which is no more or less valid than someone who asserts that some or all humans are unworthy of life, and human life has no value. Or even someone who declares humanity an evil blight on the world that ought to be wiped out.
Their assertion and bald insistence is no less or more valid than yours. Because its all simply based on what you state to be true, to you.
And that's the heart of postmodernism.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:39 PM (39g3+)
Worse still, that all value is assigned by The State, and can be revoked by The State at any time for any or even no reason at all.
In other words, you're just declaring these things to be true, then presuming that since they are true, a certain response is ethically mandated. Based simply on an assertion. Which is no more or less valid than someone who asserts that some or all humans are unworthy of life, and human life has no value. Or even someone who declares humanity an evil blight on the world that ought to be wiped out.
Their assertion and bald insistence is no less or more valid than yours. Because its all simply based on what you state to be true, to you.
And that's the heart of postmodernism.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 31, 2017 01:39 PM (39g3+)
Worse still, that all value is assigned by The State, and can be revoked by The State at any time for any or even no reason at all.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 31, 2017 01:43 PM (luj3F)
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AoP, in WWII Sweden kept doing business with Germany even though 'neutral' in the war.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (GBWQj)
I know that. Which is one reason they remained fairly wealthy, when most other Euro nations, UK included, were bankrupted by the war.
Sure, they benefited from the U.S. nuclear umbrella, but they also did put a lot of effort into their own defense, and made money selling their designs around the world.
For a long time, Swedish socialism worked to some extent, because they lacked a parasite class. So they imported one, and how!
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2017 01:16 PM (GBWQj)
I know that. Which is one reason they remained fairly wealthy, when most other Euro nations, UK included, were bankrupted by the war.
Sure, they benefited from the U.S. nuclear umbrella, but they also did put a lot of effort into their own defense, and made money selling their designs around the world.
For a long time, Swedish socialism worked to some extent, because they lacked a parasite class. So they imported one, and how!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2017 01:43 PM (7MWCL)
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272 That account has millions of followers, and they won't miss me and the other people who will unfollow it. It's just sad that it, like the Honest Toddler feed, had to be spoiled because progressives can't separate their politics from the rest of their lives.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at May 31, 2017 01:41 PM (F26eZ)
You have to remember this, though.
Their Mindset :
It's not about their politics being the defining part of their life.
It's about their politics being the defining part of your life.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at May 31, 2017 01:41 PM (F26eZ)
You have to remember this, though.
Their Mindset :
It's not about their politics being the defining part of their life.
It's about their politics being the defining part of your life.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 31, 2017 01:45 PM (luj3F)
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Franco also let escaping Jews in the country.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 31, 2017 01:46 PM (nlbfN)
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Upthread.
Sweden and Finland applied to join NATO under special and very limited terms. NATO said nyet.
I think the Swede-Finn request was June 2016.
Sweden and Finland applied to join NATO under special and very limited terms. NATO said nyet.
I think the Swede-Finn request was June 2016.
Posted by: 13times at May 31, 2017 01:50 PM (WHVu+)
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42 "John Kerry Numbah Ten Thousand Short Time Fucky Sucky Boy!"
Posted by: Tu Do Street Civic Association Ladies' Auxiliary at May 31, 2017 01:51 PM (JkSZW)
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Sweden failed to help Finland repulse the Red Army 1940 Winter War ( despite a treaty agreement maybe?.)
Posted by: 13times at May 31, 2017 01:55 PM (WHVu+)
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Evil is permitted to exist because Good cannot exist without Evil.
Goodness is not simply created. That is neutrality.
Goodness is the rejection of Evil, and to reject Evil, it must first be interjected into the universe..then Good battles and wins and creates itself.
Goodness is not simply created. That is neutrality.
Goodness is the rejection of Evil, and to reject Evil, it must first be interjected into the universe..then Good battles and wins and creates itself.
Posted by: True the Note at May 31, 2017 02:02 PM (SJ184)
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241 ...
There are multiple answers to that:
Let's start with this: Humans have innate value and no person has a right to deprive another of matters of value unwillingly.
How about this: Each individual has a right to bodily integrity. Bodily integrity is both necessary and sufficient to identify a person as an individual. Murder is an unwilling violation of bodily integrity and thus must be prohibited.
Then there's this: Humanity is marked by sentience, intelligence and free will. Murder is a violation of free will and, thus, a rejection of humanity.
...
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand!
How are those not just making shit up as you go along (i.e. "consensus says...")?
By that last one, speed limits are a rejection of humanity.
There are multiple answers to that:
Let's start with this: Humans have innate value and no person has a right to deprive another of matters of value unwillingly.
How about this: Each individual has a right to bodily integrity. Bodily integrity is both necessary and sufficient to identify a person as an individual. Murder is an unwilling violation of bodily integrity and thus must be prohibited.
Then there's this: Humanity is marked by sentience, intelligence and free will. Murder is a violation of free will and, thus, a rejection of humanity.
...
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand!
How are those not just making shit up as you go along (i.e. "consensus says...")?
By that last one, speed limits are a rejection of humanity.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 31, 2017 02:02 PM (di1hb)
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It's strange that so many of the truly successful stories of capitalism ends up espousing marxist ideals ONLY after having made their financial nut. Leftism protects their stash especially if they can prove their leftism enough to become the left's darlings. I don't see anyone on the left wanting to dismantle Disney or Amazon.
It's a business plan.
It's a business plan.
Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2017 02:04 PM (WHWD4)
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PETA?
Posted by: Scott M at May 31, 2017 02:04 PM (AdBfq)
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149 Those seedy alt-prog "newspapers" survived on ads for strip clubs and outcall hookers. Legalizing pot has given them a whole new revenue stream.
Posted by: Tu Do Street Civic Association Ladies' Auxiliary at May 31, 2017 02:05 PM (JkSZW)
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Planned Parenthood. However, as a business enterprise it would never survive. As a left-wing charity it is immortal.
Also, Ben & Jerry's actually makes good ice cream that turns a profit. The hippy "cause" aspect is just a front.
Also, Ben & Jerry's actually makes good ice cream that turns a profit. The hippy "cause" aspect is just a front.
Posted by: Fresh Air at May 31, 2017 02:20 PM (eJdkv)
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Shakespeare would have enjoyed writing a play about Feanor.
Posted by: Bourbonchicken at May 31, 2017 02:30 PM (VdICR)
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...my father hates everything about me and every couple of months decides he has to let me know about it in detail, and I'm STILL not a progtard. Posted by: Hikaru at May 31, 2017 01:40 PM (luj3F)
Sorry to hear that. Today I was thinking if time-travel were possible, then I could be my own father. An improvement over what did happen would be relatively easy.
Sorry to hear that. Today I was thinking if time-travel were possible, then I could be my own father. An improvement over what did happen would be relatively easy.
Posted by: Bourbonchicken at May 31, 2017 02:33 PM (VdICR)
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Great post!!!
Posted by: Locke Common at May 31, 2017 02:41 PM (YqvaZ)
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Great post.
Still confused about how a screenshot from "The Prisoner," about getting to why a spy abruptly quit, supports a post about liberal politics as parasitism.
But it makes me want to see the series anyway. I like the look of that wacky town.
Still confused about how a screenshot from "The Prisoner," about getting to why a spy abruptly quit, supports a post about liberal politics as parasitism.
But it makes me want to see the series anyway. I like the look of that wacky town.
Posted by: Chip at May 31, 2017 03:01 PM (KXQr+)
Posted by: jd at May 31, 2017 03:04 PM (oUzmL)
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Thanks so much for adding the Lewis passage. I've never read that....having got lost in the wardrobe, so to speak...but I will now.
The steady "progressive" attack we have witnessed the last forty+ years follows Lewis' logic quite nicely as they have used the US Constitution to subvert US society, "fundamentally transforming" what has arguably been one of the few national sources of GOOD into a shade of its former self. Fallen angels indeed.
But what the Lewis quote you include does not answer is, does he believe these evil *&^%s can be destroyed root and branch? I guess I'll need to read the whole thing to find out. Until then, here's hoping.
The steady "progressive" attack we have witnessed the last forty+ years follows Lewis' logic quite nicely as they have used the US Constitution to subvert US society, "fundamentally transforming" what has arguably been one of the few national sources of GOOD into a shade of its former self. Fallen angels indeed.
But what the Lewis quote you include does not answer is, does he believe these evil *&^%s can be destroyed root and branch? I guess I'll need to read the whole thing to find out. Until then, here's hoping.
Posted by: Harry Flashman at May 31, 2017 03:13 PM (w+yFC)
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Man am I sorry I missed this thread.
I would love to discuss the why of why evil is allowed. It's great stuff.
If you think of evil as the irrational choice away from objective good it makes sense. That also defines the left.
I would love to discuss the why of why evil is allowed. It's great stuff.
If you think of evil as the irrational choice away from objective good it makes sense. That also defines the left.
Posted by: dagny at May 31, 2017 03:38 PM (PYcZ5)
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Watching the videos of the Imzy.com founders on TechCrunch blather about how wonderful their SJW-safe-space community version of Reddit would be - knowing it failed miserably - is a cocktail of heroin, blowjobs, and cash with whipped cream. Seeing Jessica Moreno (with her arm leg tatts, cool-geek glasses, etc) standing next to a wall in the Imzy offices with a giant ruler painted at the corner - like a parent uses to measure a child's growth - is the perfect metaphor for their childish business model.
Posted by: MSTisdale at May 31, 2017 03:55 PM (g9d8D)
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If we examine the CONTEXT of DJT's famous tweet ,
It's obvious that " covfefe " means " MSM bullshit ",
Trump knows that only a a powerful set of neologisms
can save us from the Stupidity Buildup of the progs .
It's obvious that " covfefe " means " MSM bullshit ",
Trump knows that only a a powerful set of neologisms
can save us from the Stupidity Buildup of the progs .
Posted by: deguello at May 31, 2017 05:10 PM (nDdGQ)
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Late to the party - but Sweden? North Sea oil? Methinks you got that confused with Norway. But...Sweden has a very open, free-trading economy. (President Trump, a man who thinks economic freedom is a sick concept, would be very much opposed to such a thing.) This is where they get their money from. However, Sweden also has a massive problem: the money they forcibly confiscate from its citizenry in order to pamper them and allow them a perpetual adolescence discourages them from having kids. And, as they are the future taxpayers, the government finds itself in a conundrum: it can't afford to pamper people, but at the same time, they can't talk to its citizenry like adults and explain to them that the government has to get out of the babying business. So, Sweden does something else instead: Sweden begins to import taxpayers. (THIS is why Sweden, among others, has unfettered immigration...and if this leads to changes in society that the voting public finds uncomfortable or problematic, the government says "so be it".) Therefore, Sweden is STILL a failure.
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