Hmmmm...: Mike Lee Says Senate Parliamentarian Informed Him It Might Be Possible to Undo Obamacare Regulations Via Reconciliation

So, reconciliation -- where you only need 51 votes for passage, and where a filibuster is not allowed -- is usually only allowed for budgetary measures.

It has been argued that Obamacare can only be repealed in multiple phases because step one has to be entirely budgetary in nature, in order to be doable via the reconciliation route in the Senate. Regulation reforms would have to wait for phase 2 or 3, which of course can then be filibustered. (This is why a lot of people argue phase 2 and phase 3 aren't going to happen.)

But now Mike Lee says he discussed things with the Senate Parliamentarian -- who rules on what can or cannot be done via reconciliation (among many other things)-- and it's his understanding now that some regulation repeal can be done via reconciliation too.

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, said on Wednesday that the Senate parliamentarian has told him that it may be possible for Republicans to push harder on repealing Obamacare's regulations than the current House bill, which contradicts the assertion by House leadership that the legislation goes after Obamacare as aggressively as possible under Senate rules.
"What I understood her to be saying is that there's no reason why an Obamacare repeal bill necessarily could not have provisions repealing the health insurance regulations," Lee said in an interview with the Washington Examiner, relating a conversation with parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough about reconciliation he had on Tuesday.
Lee also said that the parliamentarian told him it wasn't until very recently, after the unveiling of the House bill, that any Republican even asked her about the possibility of repealing regulations with a simple majority.

...
"One of the things we've been told over and over again is the bill was no more aggressive than it has been... in part because of Senate rules," Lee said. "And the Senate rules are something those defending the bill have repeatedly pointed to in defense of why they wrote it the way they wrote it. The parliamentarian said, there's not necessarily any reason that would categorically preclude you from doing more, both on the repeal front and the replacement front, all sorts of things are possible."
He continued, "What matters is how it's done, how it's written up. There are ways it's written up that perhaps make it not subject to passage through reconciliation, but there are other ways you could write it that might make it work."

The so-called American Health Care Act already looks dicey for passage, with Republican opponents claiming they have 22 or 25 Republicans ready to vote against it, and a claim that even more can be done via reconciliation will endanger it further.

Posted by: Ace at 06:43 PM

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1 Oh yeah.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 22, 2017 06:36 PM (89T5c)

2 Missed it by that () much

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2017 06:37 PM (GPaiX)

3 for fucks sake, just repeal it via reconciliation. Or nuke the filibuster. This "the rules apply when they hurt R's, but not when they hurt D's" bullshit need to stop.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 22, 2017 06:37 PM (wmaTe)

4 Rush brought this up the other day

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2017 06:39 PM (GPaiX)

5 Oooh, that's as sexy as a long, cool woman in a black dress...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 22, 2017 06:40 PM (zsHGH)

6 ...and how about a little more congressional action on the silent coup happening in the executive branch? That's kind of interesting, no? The entire executive branch is working to thwart the elected president... Oh, it's becoming more and more clear that the previous president was using the us govt's spy apparatus to spy on candidate Trump.

I wonder what other parts of govt are being used against what other R's? We know, for example, that the IRS was used against conservatives...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 22, 2017 06:40 PM (wmaTe)

7 Just nuke the filibuster for BarkyCare and repeal the whole damn thing.

Getting rid of BarkyCare is far more important than the Senate filibuster, which the dems are going to do away with at their next opportunity, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 06:40 PM (zc3Db)

8 Dude!! That means I have to work more than 3 hours a day. Fuck that.
- Mitch the Bitch

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:41 PM (vsYKI)

9 It took these dipshits this long to figure this out. And on the eve they are supposedly voting for a replacement.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 22, 2017 06:42 PM (89T5c)

10 It's almost like they don't want to repeal it.

Posted by: Guy without a clue at March 22, 2017 06:42 PM (BO/km)

11 and a claim that even more can be done via reconciliation will endanger it further.
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Not quite destroying it with fire, but a good sign.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 06:42 PM (3Liv/)

12 i thought that is why they wanted something, anything out the house so they can start that whole reconciliation process, then people got into the weeds

Posted by: runner at March 22, 2017 06:42 PM (c6/9Q)

13 which the dems are going to do away with at their next opportunity, anyway.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 06:40 PM (zc3Db)

Exactly. They got rid of it to back the DC circuit court because that was in their political interest at the time, I'm SURE they would have gotten rid of it to fill Scalia's seat if Scalia had died will D's controlled the Senate, and they got around the filibuster through ridiculously absurd "rules" that seemed to appear of their asses for O'Care.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 22, 2017 06:42 PM (wmaTe)

14 It's almost as if politicians lie to get elected

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (6Ll1u)

15 How do you ask a question of the Senate Parliamentarian? Do you put a slip of paper in the slot?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (8ZskC)

16 It's almost like they don't want to repeal it"

It's because they care for us peons.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (MINbv)

17 Meanwhile, President Trump can do what Obama routinely did, change the law at will and give people waivers. Like, everyone in the USA. Waiver.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (39g3+)

18 15 How do you ask a question of the Senate Parliamentarian? Do you put a slip of paper in the slot?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (8ZskC)

I think you just ask -- "hey! Parliamentarian! What's going on? Any chance we can repeal O'Care with reconciliation?"

"...yeah, sure, why not."

"Thanks!"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (wmaTe)

19 How do you ask a question of the Senate Parliamentarian? Do you put a slip of paper in the slot?

Posted by: Cicero

===

Parchment.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (osJCJ)

20 If Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi publicly stated they wouldn't object to a full repeal of O-Care, the GOPe would still find a reason not to do it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:44 PM (vsYKI)

21 Hey we wrote the bill that could pass

Posted by: Paul "The Mathematician" Ryan at March 22, 2017 06:44 PM (3Liv/)

22 Nice deployment of a journalistic "so-called," Ace!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2017 06:44 PM (NOIQH)

23 It's almost like the Rinos & Dems are one party

Posted by: Batterup at March 22, 2017 06:45 PM (mtGE/)

24 Dump this federal, do-gooder, overreach, bullshit legislation now! Do it for the taxpayers! And the children!

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2017 06:45 PM (l7YCJ)

25 17 Meanwhile, President Trump can do what Obama routinely did, change the law at will and give people waivers. Like, everyone in the USA. Waiver.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 22, 2017 06:43 PM (39g3+)

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Exactly. Give everyone a waiver and ever company a waiver as well. So health insurance companies can offer actual insurance and not the bullshit knows as insurance that Obamacare mandates, such as maternity coverage for men or birth control pill coverage for 60 year old women.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:45 PM (vsYKI)

26 Ohh, wouldn't it be nice if they pulled the switcharoo right before the vote?

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 06:46 PM (uKRys)

27 It's almost like Chuck Schumer has his hand up Ryans ass & is controlling him like puppet

Posted by: Batterup at March 22, 2017 06:46 PM (mtGE/)

28 That f**king Juan McStain needs to have a grenade shoved up his ass and the pin pulled. Same for his girlfriend Miss Lindsay.

Posted by: Old Blue release the KrakenTrump at March 22, 2017 06:46 PM (FAo3p)

29 Congress aside from a very few conservatives, has zero interest in repealing Obamacare. None. They like it, it gives them tremendous power over people and the economy, and it pulls in lobbyists and bribes by medical corps. Why would they give that up, ever?

Even if they weren't convinced by polling and being in the middle of a zillion democrats telling them the people love it and will fire them if they vote against it, they would never get rid of it. Ever. Its in place, now. Never going away.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 22, 2017 06:46 PM (39g3+)

30 The answer is always "Funk".

Posted by: Parliamentarian Funkadarin at March 22, 2017 06:46 PM (BO/km)

31 I recall Ace's post about people not willing to admit that Rhys don't know something and experts sucking ballz or something.

I don't know. This is a fucking mess and it should not be.

I dont know.

Posted by: Blake Lively's Racist Booty at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (emywJ)

32 Hmmmm...: Mike Lee Says Senate Parliamentarian Informed Him It Might Be Possible to Undo Obamacare Regulations Via Reconciliation

Hey, I thought we had a new format for headlines as of the recent revisions to the AoSHQ Stylebook. Something like this:

Senate Parliamentarian Says Try This One Weird Trick to Repeal Obamacare

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (8ZskC)

33 The POS was passed by invoking Reconciliation, any GOPer claiming it can't be repealed using the same process is a lying sack of shit member of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (PCFYt)

34 How many Republicans are voting against it because it's actually shit and how many of them are voting against it because it might eventually lead to a full repeal?

Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (q177U)

35 >> Like, everyone in the USA. Waiver.

Trump did that with the mandate on his first day in office - an EO that stopped IRS from penalizing no healthcare, right?
A good start!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (NOIQH)

36 I was looking for ''Classic Rock'' as an answer but "Funk" is acceptable as well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (zsHGH)

37 Which country did McCain want to invade today?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (vsYKI)

38 Rulings of the parliamentarian are subject to a vote of the body - i.e., a majority can bully their way through over the parliamentarian's objections when it wants. Doesn't happen often.

Heard Lee discussing this point on the radio last week (that more can be done while still passing the "germaneness" test for a reconciliation bill).

For the thousandth time, the sensible path was obvious from the outset: repeal what was passed on reconciliation originally the same way it was passed, then have the House immediately send the rest (full repeal) to the Senate, where the Senate Dems from Trump states who are up in '18 can choose wisely, or not. And where the GOP can suspend the filibuster if needed.

It's called politics. Everyone is put on the hot seat, everyone is accountable.

Best of both worlds (and not implausible, at all): most of the vulnerable Senate Dems choose poorly, GOP ends filibuster and repeals anyway, and those Dems *still* face very tough re-election in '18 for being on the wrong side. And there is only one wrong side, politically, here. The wave elections of 2010 and 2014, and the rebellion election of 2016, weren't driven by opposition to Medicaid expansion.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

39 Bootsy could write some good law's

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 22, 2017 06:48 PM (6Ll1u)

40 Has twitter attacked the Senate Parliamentarian yet?

Posted by: Batterup at March 22, 2017 06:48 PM (mtGE/)

41 so, what exactly is paul ryan's value add here?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2017 06:48 PM (cPsPa)

42 Nonononono, that's not right. You people don't understand. We've been doing this for decades, and it's like we keep telling you. We need 90 votes in the Senate. Anything less than that and we can only take complete responsibility for Obamacare collapsing. .

Posted by: Republicans who were passing single page Obamacare repeal bills before Trump won at March 22, 2017 06:48 PM (/f1mm)

43

The answer is always "Funk".

Posted by: Parliamentarian Funkadarin
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'Stomp'

http://tinyurl.com/7urbt6g

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 06:48 PM (osJCJ)

44 So we know they'll never get rid of it, all we can hope for is to destroy the mandate forcing people in, destroy the crap coverage (kids to 26, birth control, abortion etc) and that's the best we can hope for before it all burns

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 22, 2017 06:48 PM (39g3+)

45 Trump did that with the mandate on his first day in office - an EO that stopped IRS from penalizing no healthcare, right?
A good start!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (NOIQH)

___

A good move but won't do anything to actually improve health insurance. All this does is make insurance even more expensive since the onerous requirements are still there for policies with even fewer people buying them.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:49 PM (vsYKI)

46 Who is the Senate Parlimentarian? He this person elected? Is there any truth that it is AI?

Posted by: Blake Lively's Racist Booty at March 22, 2017 06:49 PM (emywJ)

47 Pull the bill and let Ocare completely collapse. Then blame ALL the politicos. Because then we'd have them by the balls for being stupid shits. And as we all know, once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

Posted by: Old Blue release the KrakenTrump at March 22, 2017 06:49 PM (FAo3p)

48 Getting rid of the mandate and leaving everything else in place is about the worst possible scenario.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:50 PM (vsYKI)

49 34 How many Republicans are voting against it because it's actually shit and how many of them are voting against it because it might eventually lead to a full repeal?
Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (q177U

Yes!

Posted by: Blake Lively's Racist Booty at March 22, 2017 06:50 PM (emywJ)

50 so, what exactly is paul ryan's value add here?
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GOPe goes down in flames but takes Trump with them.

At a guess.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (3Liv/)

51 37 Which country did McCain want to invade today?
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:47 PM (vsYKI)

A shorter list would be which ones he doesn't.

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (sdi6R)

52 48 Getting rid of the mandate and leaving everything else in place is about the worst possible scenario.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:50 PM (vsYKI)

Don't be silly. It's not like we're ever going to lose another election and have someone else be able to issue an executive order on the law we didn't repeal.

Posted by: Republicans who were passing single page Obamacare repeal bills before Trump won at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (/f1mm)

53 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old man both have maternity coverage and prostate exam coverage. THAT is the biggest problem with O-Care. And it's something RynoCare does not address.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (vsYKI)

54 50 so, what exactly is paul ryan's value add here?
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GOPe goes down in flames but takes Trump with them.

At a guess.
Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (3Liv/)

Is Ryan doing this to destroy Trump?

I believe it

Posted by: Batterup at March 22, 2017 06:52 PM (mtGE/)

55
Which country did McCain want to invade today?
Posted by: #neverskankles

Man's Country

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 06:52 PM (IqV8l)

56 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be
identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old
man both have maternity coverage and prostate exam coverage. THAT is the
biggest problem with O-Care. And it's something RynoCare does not
address.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (vsYKI)

And 'free' annual well-person exams for all.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 22, 2017 06:53 PM (JO9+V)

57 >>A good move but won't do anything to actually improve health insurance.

Yes, just a good start, something Trump could do on day 1 to signal his intent to follow-through on campaign promise --- not the final solution.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2017 06:53 PM (NOIQH)

58 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old man both have maternity coverage and prostate exam coverage. THAT is the biggest problem with O-Care. And it's something RynoCare does not address.
Posted by: #neverskankles

I demand my pap smear!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 06:53 PM (4RRDi)

59 So write it up then. Senate is on deck as soon as the House is done.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 06:53 PM (/tuJf)

60 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old man both have maternity coverage
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (vsYKI)

Ze all need maternity coverage

Posted by: Ze at March 22, 2017 06:54 PM (mtGE/)

61 The insurance companies were paid billions of dollars under the ACA and then paid billions illegally by the Obama Treasury dept when that wasn't enough. That kind of dough set a precedent for lobbying.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 22, 2017 06:54 PM (drrTK)

62 53 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old man both have maternity coverage and prostate exam coverage.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (vsYKI)

Well, that makes sense. You never know when they might decide to transition.

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 06:54 PM (sdi6R)

63 >>A good move but won't do anything to actually improve health insurance.

Yes,
just a good start, something Trump could do on day 1 to signal his
intent to follow-through on campaign promise --- not the final solution.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2017 06:53 PM (NOIQH)

That will come later after the conference at Wannsee.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 22, 2017 06:54 PM (JO9+V)

64 Paul Ryan's bill is the last chance for a conservative solution to help working Americans!

We need to get health insurance expense off of the financial statements of American businesses, and on to the financial statements of the US government.

Ryan's program of a government entitlement, um, we mean "refundable tax credits," to cover health care insurance for Americans can ultimately be expanded to the entire country so that businesses can hand off this hot potato to the government.

Posted by: The US Chamber of Commerce at March 22, 2017 06:54 PM (3OAG2)

65 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old man both have maternity coverage and prostate exam coverage. THAT is the biggest problem with O-Care. And it's something RynoCare does not address.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (vsYKI)

The biggest problem with BarkyCare is that the whole idea is totally un-Constitutional and thoroughly un-American. The federal government has no business mucking around in individual health insurance. That is only a state responsibility. The federal govenrment's ONLY power with respect to individual health insurance is to try and make regular interstate commerce of it. That's it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 06:54 PM (zc3Db)

66 OT

Lou Dobbs : "Trump Vindicated"

love ya , Lou!

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 06:55 PM (osJCJ)

67 The voters: "Repeal this goddamn fiasco!"

Trump, McConnell, and Ryan: "Reword it! Coming right up!"

The voters: "No, no, no, no. Repeal the thing! Repeal."

Trump, McConnell, and Ryan: "Redesign! We got this!"

The voters: "FFS! REPEAL! RE-PE-AL!!!"

Trump, McConnell, and Ryan: "Repaint! Roger wilco!"

The voters: ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

Posted by: torquewrench at March 22, 2017 06:55 PM (noWW6)

68 I hope Trump is smart enough to realize that what Ryan is pushing is just a bill that essentially changes nothing about Obamacare except to make Trump plausibly responsible for the death spiral. Trump acts like he's playing ball here, lets Republican infighting in Congress kill the thing, then the collapse is owned entirely by the donks and Trump can say, "hey, I tried".

A year ago, I would've thought for sure Trump wasn't smart/slick enough to understand what Ryan is up to here, now, I'm kinda confident the Don knows whats up.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 22, 2017 06:55 PM (PCFYt)

69 Pull the bill and let Ocare completely collapse. Then blame ALL the politicos. Because then we'd have them by the balls for being stupid shits. And as we all know, once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
Posted by: Old Blue release the KrakenTrump at March 22, 2017 06:49 PM (FAo3p)

Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence, to whit, that politcos have balls by which they may be had.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 22, 2017 06:56 PM (GUBah)

70 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old man both have maternity coverage and prostate exam coverage.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (vsYKI)

Well, that makes sense. You never know when they might decide to transition.
Posted by: rickl

I wanna see 'em dig around in the broads ass for her prostate.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 06:56 PM (4RRDi)

71 States should tell the congress to go fuck themselves if congress can't follow through on this.

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2017 06:56 PM (Fmupd)

72 There is no tax penalty. Don't make me go dig out my returns for the last two years (um, which I need to do, anyway ....). Little form, I checked the "too expensive" box for why I had no Leviathan-approved health insurance. Presto - no penalty, er, "tax".

Don't know the story behind this, figure even the O administration lacked the ballz to even implement most of the law, so just created all sorts of escapes and loopholes.

And it was *not* all passed via reconciliation the first time (I think JackStraw may have done his usual yeoman patient explanation of this history here recently). Some was passed via reconciliation, some via free-standing legislation (unconstitutionally originating revenue-raising actions in the Senate, but let's not quibble).

The "tax" penalty on individuals doesn't exist. Medicaid expansion was *not* the political driver of opposition to this, and is completely unrelated to the most dramatic, immediate damage done by the ACA - destruction of the individual and small group insurance markets.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 06:56 PM (QDnY+)

73 53 O-Care mandates every insurance policy has to be identical in what it covers. So a 27 year old woman and a 54 year old man both have maternity coverage and prostate exam coverage. THAT is the biggest problem with O-Care. And it's something RynoCare does not address.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:51 PM (vsYKI)

At least the Republicans made sure illegals aren't eligible.

Wait, what?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (/f1mm)

74 So postpone the vote in the House and bring the bill up to the new standards.

This isn't rocket science.

Some people might almost think certain Republicans in the House are looking forward to a failed bill.

Posted by: TB at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (wNx6K)

75 GOP Party Bosses don't want to repeal Ocare, they want their turn for the graft.

Posted by: davidt at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (XoldI)

76 Good time to find this out. Day before the vote. If they block Trump's agenda I will vote,donate and campaign for Liz Warren so the whole thing can burn to the ground. Ryan is an jackass.

Posted by: alan stern at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (phpFE)

77 If you're wife owned a beer distribution conglomerate and we're old and didn't need to work, what would McCain do?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (6Ll1u)

78 The federal govenrment's ONLY power with respect to
individual health insurance is to try and make regular interstate
commerce of it. That's it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 06:54 PM (zc3Db)

Not even that.

If I want to found a health insurance company and operate it in only one state...what interest does the federal government have in regulating it?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (rF0hx)

79 Let's Reconciliate so we can avoid the debate and not filibusterate while we obliterate ObamaCare which is the resultate of 8 years of Barry O's presidential defecate.

Can I gets an amen brother?

Posted by: Reverend Jackson at March 22, 2017 06:58 PM (5VlCp)

80 as Sean Davis has pointed out, the parliamentarian has no authority to rule on anything, he can only make recommendations

Posted by: Joel at March 22, 2017 06:58 PM (pfX6+)

81 Bohicacare

Posted by: Mega at March 22, 2017 06:58 PM (1CtvB)

82 Is Ryan doing this to destroy Trump?

I believe it
----
I haven't seen a better explanation for this bill.

GOPe gets 'nothing done in this congress' which is pretty much what they want, then their buddies across the aisle get to run everything and they go back to putting on failure theater.

Trump's political capital collapses with his support for this sham, which makes it harder for him to get anything else done, most of which is desired by the public and horrifies D.C.

So it's win-win for the Ryan crowd.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 06:58 PM (3Liv/)

83 >>so, what exactly is paul ryan's value add here?

Posted by: yankeefifth

He licks my ball sweat.

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at March 22, 2017 06:58 PM (/Nite)

84 GOP Party Bosses don't want to repeal Ocare, they want their turn for the graft.

Posted by: davidt
===

yep.

Follow the money.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 06:58 PM (osJCJ)

85 1. There was a bill passed with the 60 senate donks before fat murderous and womanizing Kennedy became "good."
2. Then the dark magic happened when Scott Brown was elected.
3. It all went reconciliation then.

I have no idea but there was that one 60 vote minimum passed and a bill then passed. Bad mojo so wouldn't hazard a guess.

BUT what i do know is much of the HellCare bill says "As the secretary of HHS deems" so that means much could be undone with Price's pen and phone.

I don't know but what Ryno is pushing is being described as bad by people I trust far more than Ryno.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 06:59 PM (cOHS7)

86 Bohicacare

SNAFUCare

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 06:59 PM (4RRDi)

87 If I want to found a health insurance company and operate it in only one state...what interest does the federal government have in regulating it?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (rF0hx)

=======

Wickard vs. Filburn, baby.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 06:59 PM (3HBTM)

88 If I want to found a health insurance company and operate it in only one state...what interest does the federal government have in regulating it?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (rF0hx)

None. Like I said, the federal government's only power is in making regular interstate commerce of insurance - making "regular" not "regulation". It has nothing to say about in-state insurance companies. Those are for each state to deal with.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (zc3Db)

89 They shouldn't stop at Obamacare... All the "New Deal" and "Great Society" legislation should be repealed, too!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (kP16F)

90 72 There is no tax penalty. Don't make me go dig out my returns for the last two years (um, which I need to do, anyway ....). Little form, I checked the "too expensive" box for why I had no Leviathan-approved health insurance. Presto - no penalty, er, "tax".

Don't know the story behind this, figure even the O administration lacked the ballz to even implement most of the law, so just created all sorts of escapes and loopholes.

And it was *not* all passed via reconciliation the first time (I think JackStraw may have done his usual yeoman patient explanation of this history here recently). Some was passed via reconciliation, some via free-standing legislation (unconstitutionally originating revenue-raising actions in the Senate, but let's not quibble).

The "tax" penalty on individuals doesn't exist. Medicaid expansion was *not* the political driver of opposition to this, and is completely unrelated to the most dramatic, immediate damage done by the ACA - destruction of the individual and small group insurance markets.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 06:56 PM (QDnY+)

Well, assuming you fill out your 1040s honestly, there most certainly *can be* a penalty.

Which illustrates another disgusting aspect of the Demunist Left: from Amnesty to "Zeroing Out", they always write laws in such ways that invariably, following the rules turns out to be the chumps, and cheaters win.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (ujg0T)

91
I demand my pap smear!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 06:53 PM (4RRDi)

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Dude. That cold speculum up your butt is going to hurt.

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (Fmupd)

92 'as Sean Davis has pointed out, the parliamentarian has no authority to rule on anything, he can only make recommendations'

I recommend let's tear the roof off the sucker.

Posted by: Parliamentarian Funkadarin at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (BO/km)

93 I wanna see 'em dig around in the broads ass for her prostate.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 06:56 PM (4RRDi)

Hope Solo, you're up!

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (uKRys)

94 HurryN'Die Care. Specifically old white people.

The designers said that was the goal.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (cOHS7)

95 Blumenthal is invoking a conspiracy of "interests" because Gorsuch is answering Blumenthanls' questions "too well"

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (rUIbB)

96 75 GOP Party Bosses don't want to repeal Ocare, they want their turn for the graft.
Posted by: davidt at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (XoldI)

All the way to teh root baby!

Posted by: Blake Lively's Racist Booty at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (emywJ)

97 >>I wanna see 'em dig around in the broads ass for her prostate.

Posted by: rickb223

If it's Mooch's ass they might find it.

Posted by: Aviator at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (/Nite)

98 >>The biggest problem with BarkyCare is that the whole idea is totally
un-Constitutional and thoroughly un-American. The federal government
has no business mucking around in individual health insurance....

Tear down that Obamacare Hub, Mr. Trump!

(Always was suspicious of why the feds needed electronic medical records...)

http://www.investors.com/politics/verbatim/
obamacare-database-hub-creates-privacy-nightmare/

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (NOIQH)

99 Really fixing socialism by getting rid of it voluntarily never happens in a democratic country.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (FhXTo)

100 We are interested in doing something for THE PEOPLE.

Posted by: Republicans Before You Vote For Them at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (1CtvB)

101 Summary of the GOP Obamacare "Legislative" Progression

1. Actively campaign and run on "Repeal!"

2. Post-Election shift to a passive support for "Repeal And Replace!"

3. Post-Inauguration embrace a toothless compromise of "Rearrange and Rename!"

4. Profit!

~The Republican Establishment will eventually, and always, betray you!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (gwPgz)

102 My opinion has not changed from this morning. I think this bill gets pulled.
I have seen 4 more Congressmen say they are voting NO.
Ryan can go piss up a rope.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:03 PM (axq4p)

103 "Paul Ryan's bill is the last chance for a conservative solution to help working Americans!"

Yes! And if only more people understood this. I hope they'll listen to grassroots Republican activists like myself. The Speaker has been working *so* hard. His dedication to delivering another "key conservative victory" on this can't be doubted by anyone.

If you all will just trust in the Speaker to come through for you, and urge your Representatives to back the bill, you're just going to love it. Which you will. When you find out what's in it. As soon as we pass it.

Be sure to call and write to urge passage! Do it today!

Posted by: Sue Harper In Lower Lima at March 22, 2017 07:03 PM (noWW6)

104 Speculum... damn near rectum!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:03 PM (cOHS7)

105 Doug Collins on FBN

It's like video paralleling the thread.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:04 PM (osJCJ)

106 The notion that regulations cannot be repealed by a simple majority is disgusting.

Then again, the notions that regulations and Dear Colleague letters and letters of interpretation of rules should have the rule of law is just as vile and yet here we are.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 22, 2017 07:04 PM (dEQP3)

107 Being uncovered is not a bad thing.

Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:04 PM (emywJ)

108 Wickard vs. Filburn, baby.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 06:59 PM (3HBTM)

Oh...I know about the reality of the disgusting power grab by the federal government.

I was asking a rhetorical question.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2017 07:04 PM (rF0hx)

109 1. There was a bill passed with the 60 senate donks before fat murderous and womanizing Kennedy became "good."

And let us not forget that the 60th vote for that was that slimy, lying sack of shit out of Chicago who eventually got the Barky auction seat, even though he lied his ass off to the Senate. Also, there was a vote from Massachusetts, as they had just reversed their law about replacing a Senator (which they had just earlier changed) in order to let that douchebag governor pick one to go vote for BarkyCare.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 07:04 PM (zc3Db)

110 Not voting our way out of this.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 22, 2017 07:04 PM (89T5c)

111 Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2017 07:02 PM (NOIQH)

Somehow, your EMR just got updated right after than post, comrade citizen!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2017 07:05 PM (gwPgz)

112 Assume the Trumpsters have a plan. Here's what I think it is:

Mandate has already been gutted, as the IRS can longer fine anyone. No matter what happens HHS head Price will gut everything else he can with his pen.

Idea is to get the House bill to the Senate. If the Ds don't play ball and filibuster-- and they probably won't go along and will filibuster -- Trump will let OCare fail and hang it on vulnerable D Senators in 2018

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2017 07:05 PM (SIY7D)

113 Curmudgeon, WTF? No. There is a form that has various excuses for not having an approved insurance policy, and if the IRS buys your (unsupported, undocumented) assertions on the form, there is no penalty.

At least for individuals, not sure about businesses falling under any mandates.

So - no penalty. If you claim (truthfully in my and many cases, to be sure) that "approved" policies are too expensive. Farcical. Like so much else in the US these days. But true.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 07:05 PM (QDnY+)

114 So health insurance companies can offer actual insurance and not the bullshit knows as insurance that Obamacare mandates, such as maternity coverage for men or birth control pill coverage for 60 year old women.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 06:45 PM (vsYKI)
*********

I want you boys to go out there and write some policies and sell them. They must be good policies (I'll be watching) and you will be in competition with each other for quality and sales.

Now go get 'em.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 07:05 PM (Vnlws)

115 Ryan can go piss up a rope.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:03 PM (axq4p)

Always wanted to know where this saying came from and what does it mean.

Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (emywJ)

116 doesn't matter what they do. we all get fucked. again. without lube. they all fucking hate us.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (KP5rU)

117 OT - Prog vlogger goes off on Mr. Maddow for promoting the Russian hacking fairytale when she knows damn well it was David Brock's outfit who papered the Bernie FB page with astroturf and tried to infect it with kiddie porn.

If Brock could to this to those on his side of the aisle, what has he been doing to the GOP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLf3Wtcw60o

she talks about the planted child porn at 12:19

Posted by: kallisto at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (kD8Fh)

118

Tear the roof off, we're gonna tear the roof off the mother, sucker
Tear the roof off the sucker

Posted by: George Clinton & Parliament at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (yfObW)

119 Ryan thinks Pelousy's playbook is a winner.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:07 PM (axq4p)

120 How do you ask a question of the Senate Parliamentarian? Do you put a slip of paper in the slot?

Similar to
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/210mw0/bailout
but the Senate is older so you use a duck and a little drum.
(not the drummer Harry!@#$%^*)

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2017 07:07 PM (FhXTo)

121 Repeal? Noooo.

Haven't you listened to all the Republicans lining up to tell us how many good for you some things are in Obamacare? How popular some things are?

It just needs to be tweaked a little. You know, just to shore it up and make sure it will be there for everyone.

Now shut up and pay your tax, prole! You don't know what is good for you.

Posted by: Damiano at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (n3oGs)

122
HurryN'Die Care. Specifically old white people.

The designers said that was the goal.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious

Still shakin' the bushes, boss.

Posted by: Old white person at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (IqV8l)

123 Lou Dobbs saying right now that sources say it looks like Freedom Caucus is getting on board with Ryancare. Looks like deal may be reached tonight.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (+51lA)

124 "doesn't matter what they do. we all get fucked. again. without lube. they all fucking hate us.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (KP5rU)"
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Easy there. There will be spit, not snot but spit. So we got that going for us!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (cOHS7)

125 GOP Party Bosses don't want to repeal Ocare, they want their turn for the graft.
Posted by: davidt at March 22, 2017 06:57 PM (XoldI)

Our politics are so easy to interpret and understand once you grasp the power of, and desire for, that sweet sweet graft!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (gwPgz)

126 FBN is now reporting that the White House says they believe they have a deal with the Freedom Caucus to make enough changes to get the votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (/tuJf)

127 Wow. Unelected bureaucrat has insane amounts of power.

How are Our Betters allowing the parliamentarian to distract from Themselves?

Posted by: unwashed at March 22, 2017 07:09 PM (bcDxW)

128 Let these idiots feel the pain of ACA collapse. Especially the cities. You wanted it, you got it, asswipes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 22, 2017 07:09 PM (89T5c)

129 Ryan can go piss up a rope.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:03 PM (axq4p)

Always wanted to know where this saying came from and what does it mean.
Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (emywJ)

I always assume it had something to do with something useless and prone to splashback. Like pissing into the wind.

Also, I fully endorse every part of Blake Lively showing up in this and any other thread.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 22, 2017 07:09 PM (zsHGH)

130 Surely there are appeals from the rulings of the Parliamentarian?

Posted by: unwashed at March 22, 2017 07:10 PM (bcDxW)

131 123 Lou Dobbs saying right now that sources say it looks like Freedom Caucus is getting on board with Ryancare. Looks like deal may be reached tonight.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (+51lA)

Naked 8 year olds suddenly appeared on the computer screens of the members of the Freedom Caucus is what I'm reading.

Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:10 PM (emywJ)

132 All they need to do to repeal is cite the Psycho Alpha Disco Beta Bioaquadoloop Clause.

Posted by: President Clinton at March 22, 2017 07:10 PM (1CtvB)

133 There's a deal?

*grabs the KY*

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 22, 2017 07:10 PM (89T5c)

134 Ryan can go piss up a rope.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:03 PM (axq4p)

Always wanted to know where this saying came from and what does it mean.
Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (emywJ)

It's one of those things that only makes sense when you try it.

I don't have to pee right now but here's some rope. I will give you some privacy. Report back on how it goes.

Posted by: Damiano at March 22, 2017 07:11 PM (n3oGs)

135 FBN is now reporting that the White House says they
believe they have a deal with the Freedom Caucus to make enough changes
to get the votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (/tuJf)

And, how may fuckin billions will that cost us?

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:11 PM (uKRys)

136 " Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples"

--------------------

Word on the street is those things look lie flapjacks.

Just sayin

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:11 PM (cOHS7)

137 HurryN'Die Care. Specifically old white people.

The designers said that was the goal.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious

Who pays for shit when we do?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 07:11 PM (4RRDi)

138 may = many

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:12 PM (uKRys)

139 Ignoramus, that scenario is just a slight tweak on what I've been advocating forever here.

A slight tweak that's foolishly risky. Keep the initiative, and keep the spotlight and pressure on your opposition.

Just "letting O-care collapse" is clearly not sufficient in a country with such a dumbed-down electorate and no press. And 48-word tweets from the president won't be enough, either.

Repeal all reconciliation stuff on the reconciliation bill. Have full repeal through the House and into the Senate, pronto. Mount and maintain info campaign, without pause, until you get repeal in the Senate, or Nov. 2018 election day, whichever comes first.

Price now runs HHS. The data on O-care's failure is now at *his* finger-tips. No more b.s. from the last administration on enrollments, and $$$, insurance company situations.

Get the truth out there. Document the failure of this law. Reveal the pernicious role played by the insurance companies, who (unlike '93) decided to become cartel partners with Leviathan instead of serving their customers.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 07:12 PM (QDnY+)

140 Guard your wallets - Congress is making a 'deal' to get legislation passed.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 22, 2017 07:12 PM (JO9+V)

141 "Who pays for shit when we do?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 07:11 PM (4RRDi)"
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Long term thinking ain't there strong point...or even thinking period.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:13 PM (cOHS7)

142 You just know that the whips are telling the Congress People, why no, this vote won't reflect on your career or the next election.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 22, 2017 07:13 PM (6Ll1u)

143 FBN is now reporting that the White House says they
believe they have a deal with the Freedom Caucus to make enough changes to get the votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (/tuJf)

This is reminiscent of the Freedom Caucus and the vote for Paul Ryan. I think they pulled the same shit with his insane free-for-all money storm for Barky the minute he got in the Speakership, too ... though my memory is a bit hazy on that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 07:13 PM (zc3Db)

144 Always wanted to know where this saying came from and what does it mean.
Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (emywJ)

It's one of those things that only makes sense when you try it.

----
Stand a wet noodle up on it's end.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 07:13 PM (4RRDi)

145 Ryan can go piss up a rope.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:03 PM (axq4p)

Always wanted to know where this saying came from and what does it mean.

Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (emywJ)

Me too actually. I use that phrase a lot, and still have no clue where it came from.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (aMlLZ)

146 >>And, how may fuckin billions will that cost us?

Dobbs claims it has to do with an amendment that the Freedom Caucus wanted regarding the type of mandated coverage. So maybe it actually saves us money.

It's been a while since we've seen it but this is what making legislation actually looks like. Propose a bill, those who want something slightly different bitch and moan that they can never support it unless they get certain amendments, negotiations happen and deal is made.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (/tuJf)

147
Always wanted to know where this saying came from and what does it mean.
Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (emywJ)

IT means to engage in a futile or useless activity

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (lKyWE)

148 If it's an Obama Senate Parliamentarian, you can do anything you want!

Posted by: t-bird at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (k8DTS)

149 136 " Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples"

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Word on the street is those things look lie flapjacks.

Just sayin
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:11 PM (cOHS7

My ICloud was "hacked". Those ain't flap Jack's sweetheart.

Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (emywJ)

150 "FBN is now reporting that the White House says they

believe they have a deal with the Freedom Caucus to make enough changes to get the votes."

The word "bipartisan" merely means that some larger than usual deception is being carried out. -- George Carlin

Posted by: torquewrench at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (noWW6)

151 If only we had seventy votes in the Senate...if only!

Posted by: Tiller Wayne at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (ObP81)

152 Stand a wet noodle up on it's end.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 07:13 PM (4RRDi)

It's easy with Enzyte!

Posted by: Smilin' Bob at March 22, 2017 07:15 PM (JO9+V)

153 Me too actually. I use that phrase a lot, and still have no clue where it came from.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (aMlLZ)

It might have something to do with wicks. Just guessing, though.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 07:15 PM (zc3Db)

154 If it's an Obama Senate Parliamentarian, you can do anything you want!

Posted by: t-bird at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (k8DTS)

True, but only if there's a majority Democrat Senate!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2017 07:15 PM (gwPgz)

155
Dobbs claims it has to do with an amendment that
the Freedom Caucus wanted regarding the type of mandated coverage. So
maybe it actually saves us money.

It's been a while since we've seen it but this is what making
legislation actually looks like. Propose a bill, those who want
something slightly different bitch and moan that they can never support
it unless they get certain amendments, negotiations happen and deal is
made.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:14 PM (/tuJf)

For some reason, I trust none of these ass wipes.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:15 PM (uKRys)

156 The rules, they mean nothing!

Captain Picard : "Deem it so!"

Posted by: Oft Gan Alee at March 22, 2017 07:15 PM (3zHFt)

157 So, reconciliation -- where you only need 51 votes for passage

The obvious question: can we get 51 votes?

I'll hang up and listen.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2017 07:15 PM (LTHVh)

158 TPOP- You are absolutely correct. If this happens this will be the second time the HFC has sold us down the river.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:16 PM (axq4p)

159 Piss up a rope origins:

http://bit.ly/2n8UIn7

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 07:16 PM (4RRDi)

160 Haven't had a chance to read through comments. I used to be a Mike Lee fan or at least supporter. But IIRC he was one of the first on the Egg McMuffin train and was a hale and hearty anti Trumper. So, yeah Mike Lee. Whatever he is doing it is not help POTUS carry out his agenda for America of his promises to the people.

Posted by: gracepc at March 22, 2017 07:16 PM (OU4q6)

161 Guard your wallets - Congress is making a 'deal' to get legislation passed.
------------

Who keeps their wallet up their asshole?

Posted by: Mega at March 22, 2017 07:16 PM (1CtvB)

162 And I still have no insurance.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:17 PM (uKRys)

163 Whatever happens with steaming pile of ACA, I want to see PT shove that gavel so far up Ryan's azz that he looks like he's wearing shoulder pads.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2017 07:17 PM (ymRuQ)

164 "Always wanted to know where this saying came from and what does it mean.

Posted by: Blake Lively's Perfect Nipples at March 22, 2017 07:06 PM (emywJ)"

--------------------

Well a friend told me that you can piss just high enough to get splash back on you face and head....also the rope tends to absorb ZERO piss. At least, according to my friend, when you piss into the wind some piss goes somewhere else other than the face and head...also some piss doesn't hit you ANYWHERE. Now, my friend says pissing into the wind is the go to option of the two.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:17 PM (cOHS7)

165 But IIRC he was one of the first on the Egg McMuffin train and was a hale and hearty anti Trumper.
===

yep

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:17 PM (osJCJ)

166 Will illegal aliens get insured?
Will congress exempt itself?
Will I still end up paying for other people's shit?

Posted by: of course at March 22, 2017 07:18 PM (HgMAr)

167 163
Whatever happens with steaming pile of ACA, I want to see PT shove that
gavel so far up Ryan's azz that he looks like he's wearing shoulder
pads.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2017 07:17 PM (ymRuQ)

Thanks for the lol. I needed that!

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:18 PM (uKRys)

168 unwashed, as I noted far above, first sentence, parliamentarian's rulings are subject to appeal and vote of the body - so they can be over-turned.

Don't think any senator today actually can even engage in a serious debate with the parliamentarian. KKK Byrd of WV was the last to be able to do so.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 07:18 PM (QDnY+)

169 Drudge/WSJ article says Trump sticking to his lying assertions like a drunk to his gin bottle.

3k plus comments, but can't see them.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 07:19 PM (Vnlws)

170 Wickard vs. Filburn, baby.
Posted by: Flyboy at

Except in California, they make up all the economy distorting crap they want, and the rest of us just have to suck it up.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 07:19 PM (zVNP9)

171 We just double-checked with our own parlamentarian...we need 105 votes in the Senate to repeal Obamacare!!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 22, 2017 07:20 PM (HwVbl)

172 Surely there are appeals from the rulings of the Parliamentarian?

Appeals from the Senate Parliamentarian go directly the the Senate Magic 8-Ball of Destiny.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2017 07:20 PM (8ZskC)

173 "Will illegal aliens get insured?

Will congress exempt itself?

Will I still end up paying for other people's shit?

Posted by: of course at March 22, 2017 07:18 PM (HgMAr)"
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YESYESYES

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:21 PM (cOHS7)

174 FY,W.

Posted by: teej at March 22, 2017 07:21 PM (6CZio)

175 Surely there are appeals from the rulings of the Parliamentarian?

The Senate can just vote in any rules it wants.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 07:21 PM (zc3Db)

176 Amazing, Trump makes a deal. Who would have guessed.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 07:21 PM (zVNP9)

177 Posted by: gNewt
==

I read quite a few of those comments this morning. Lots of leftoid wackiness with a equal number of "I think I am DONE with the WSJ" throughout.

WSJ has joined the Fake News.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:21 PM (osJCJ)

178
Who pays for shit when we do?

Dreamers

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 07:22 PM (IqV8l)

179 >>Amazing, Trump makes a deal. Who would have guessed.

Or that he might actually know what he's doing.

Shocking, really.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:22 PM (/tuJf)

180 166
Will illegal aliens get insured?

Will congress exempt itself?

Will I still end up paying for other people's shit?

Posted by: of course at March 22, 2017 07:18 PM (HgMAr)
Your nic says it all. My preferred solution? Put every government employee, including Congress, Senate and SC on Medicaid. Make them live with their decisions.

Posted by: Old Blue release the KrakenTrump at March 22, 2017 07:22 PM (FAo3p)

181 Whatever he is doing it is not help POTUS carry out his agenda for America of his promises to the people.

Checks and balances. We're here to check the will of the American voter.

Posted by: The GOPe at March 22, 2017 07:22 PM (HwVbl)

182 Propose a bill, those who want

something slightly different bitch and moan that they can never support

it unless they get certain amendments, negotiations happen and deal is

made.
---
So the Freedom Caucus destroys its credibility for some ink on paper.

Guess it's win-win-win for the GOPe.

Real Americans, not so much.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 07:23 PM (3Liv/)

183 91
I demand my pap smear!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 06:53 PM (4RRDi)

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Dude. That cold speculum up your butt is going to hurt.

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2017 07:00 PM (Fmupd

Hey! I found a pabst blue ribbon!

Posted by: Doctorholic at March 22, 2017 07:23 PM (UYMK1)

184 Why doesn't the Freedom Caucus just Mass Resign in protest?

/s

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:24 PM (osJCJ)

185 Appeals from the Senate Parliamentarian go directly the the Senate Magic 8-Ball of Destiny.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2017 07:20 PM (8ZskC)
..........

I thought they went to the Marlboro Man.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2017 07:24 PM (HgMAr)

186 After promising repeal for 8 years, Senators are now discovering how reconciliation rules work. Wouldn't it have made sense to have this strategy contemplated, I don't know, 2 years ago instead of days before a vote?

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 22, 2017 07:24 PM (LStqq)

187 I like paste for a lube. Sure it is a little bit gritty but yeehaw, she can't get away from you!

Pro Tip, make sure you use the chlorine soluble paste for lube.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2017 07:24 PM (cOHS7)

188 The Failure Theater thespians won't be happy about this.

Posted by: Johnny at March 22, 2017 07:24 PM (3GmAF)

189 Surely, what can be done by reconciliation can be undone by reconciliation. And as far as regulations go, since when did anyone bother following the rules when it came to implementing Obamacare? Why can't Trump just make it up as he goes along like Obama did?

Hell, we have an entire federal exchange that was only voted on by nine people and four of them voted against it. I say make the Supreme Court responsible for running what it created and have all decisions routed through them. Trump could make a perfectly reasonable argument that since there is no text anywhere authorizing such an exchange he has decided it would be a violation of his oath to pretend otherwise. And since the court authorized it and created it they can have the pleasure of running it. If they bitch about it then Trump could just ask for the plain text which created such a thing.

At some point a grand gesture like that will have to be made to chasten the court into doing its job instead of legislating. As it is, there are no repercussions for them so all incentives are towards activism.

Posted by: Thatch at March 22, 2017 07:25 PM (CWGHX)

190 There were provisions in RyanCare infringing on the 2A. I'm sure those were removed. Right Freedom Caucus?

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2017 07:26 PM (ymRuQ)

191
Why doesn't the Freedom Caucus just Mass Resign in protest?

/s

Because they have as little character as the FBI.

not "/s"

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 07:26 PM (3Liv/)

192 "Why can't Trump just make it up as he goes along like Obama did?"

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Not gonna happen!

Posted by: Obscure Democrat Federal Judge at March 22, 2017 07:26 PM (cOHS7)

193 And since the court authorized it and created it they can have the pleasure of running it. If they bitch about it then Trump could just ask for the plain text which created such a thing.

Don't look at me. I just know its a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts, SuperJustice at March 22, 2017 07:27 PM (8ZskC)

194 Bart Stupak to the white courtesy phone.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:27 PM (axq4p)

195 There's a missing point, something that's not been said about the pubbies and ACA. Donald Trump likes it.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 07:27 PM (Vnlws)

196 "Will congress exempt itself?"

The first time around with Obamacare, the members of Congress wanted to be sure that their own staffs had access to subsidized health insurance.

So the members of Congress defined the Congress itself as being... a "small business" for Obamacare's purposes.

No kidding. They actually did this. Res ipsa loquitur.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 22, 2017 07:27 PM (noWW6)

197 Because they have as little character as the FBI.

not "/s"

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn
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Yeah. Because the "Take My Ball And Go home" Strategy is so effective.

Idiot.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:27 PM (osJCJ)

198 Are the insurance co's still going to receive their lucre?

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2017 07:27 PM (ymRuQ)

199 Let's say someone started an insurance company and they simply ignored OCare? Which Federal agency would go after them, and would they dare to do so under this administration? Just ignore the law, like Dems.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 22, 2017 07:28 PM (vRcUp)

200 These people give me a sick headache.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 22, 2017 07:28 PM (0mRoj)

201 Insurance Cos are big rent seekers.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 07:29 PM (Vnlws)

202 If the Senate Parliamentarian and the Marlboro Man can't decide, maybe we should ask Joe the Camel.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2017 07:29 PM (HgMAr)

203 Trump has not let us down yet. Even though the FNM has said he was going to or had, he didn't. The wild card is Ryno and the GOPe. Those guys will butt fuck with no spit.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 22, 2017 07:30 PM (cOHS7)

204 Will no one rid us of these lying asswipes.
Hey God, you know that case of the crazies you gave Nebuchadnezzar?
These people are just as bad if not worse.
So how 'bout it?

Posted by: teej at March 22, 2017 07:30 PM (6CZio)

205 Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 22, 2017 07:24 PM (LStqq)

The GOP Establishment are masters of political theater, how else can you explain how so many of those worthless tools keep getting re-elected while they entertain us with smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2017 07:30 PM (gwPgz)

206 Obamacare was passed through the reconciliation process, entirely, as a budgetary matter; it can, therefore, be undone entirely as a budgetary matter through reconciliation.

Anything less means that bare majorities in the Senate can pass matters through reconciliation which cannot be undone by the same means, so requiring higher hurdles to undo legislation than to do it. Highly undemocratic, well outside the rule of our constitutional law.

The Republicans are a bunch of fuckin' scrotes for regurgitating the lie that Obamacare was passed through normal legislative means by agreeing that it must be repealed by those means.

Posted by: The Phillipics at March 22, 2017 07:31 PM (Dwglb)

207 Trump has stated, more that once, he wanted universal health care.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:31 PM (uKRys)

208 >>After promising repeal for 8 years, Senators are now discovering how reconciliation rules work. Wouldn't it have made sense to have this strategy contemplated, I don't know, 2 years ago instead of days before a vote?

They did, actually. February of last year they passed a very similar bill (minus the wailing and gnashing of teeth) through reconciliation and put the bill on Obama's desk where he promptly vetoed it. Ryan said at the time, and nobody said a word in protest, that this was a proof of concept, that they could get a bill to begin to repeal Obamacare through Congress and they would use this exact process if they got a Republican President.

They did and they are. All this process has proved is that some people have very short memories or they are getting all worked up for nothing.

Ryan also promised when he took the Speaker's job that business would not be done as it had over the Obama years and would instead go back to regular order which is exactly how this bill is going through the House. Four different committees with amendments allowed. This is how the House is supposed to work and something bitched about for years under Boehner.

I expect McConnell, who has promised to have this on the floor of the Senate next week if it gets through the House, is ready to go as well since he helped get it through reconciliation last February.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:31 PM (/tuJf)

209 Our side has Mark Meadows, Gohmert, Brat, Jordan et al---worthy warriors.

The other side has Paul K Street Ryan has a large posse of ass kissing pukes.

I like our odds.

Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at March 22, 2017 07:32 PM (oBuXO)

210 Yeah. Because the "Take My Ball And Go home" Strategy is so effective.

Idiot.
----
That's the underlying necessity of any deal. If the right deal isn't there, you walk away, not scrabble in desperation for any crumb your opponent will give you.

Someone wrote a book about that.

Slave.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 07:33 PM (3Liv/)

211
I'm beginning to think the GOP is not on our side.

Posted by: Timothy Hayfield at March 22, 2017 07:34 PM (3zHFt)

212 So it turns out the Parliamentarian has no power.

That makes more sense.

Posted by: unwashed at March 22, 2017 07:34 PM (bcDxW)

213 210
That's the underlying necessity of any deal. If the right deal isn't there, you walk away, not scrabble in desperation for any crumb your opponent will give you.

Someone wrote a book about that.
Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 07:33 PM (3Liv/)

What? Why did no one tell me of this book?

Posted by: Madeline Albright at March 22, 2017 07:35 PM (sdi6R)

214 It's apparent the the voters in Wisc 1st district have consumed too much bad cheese.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2017 07:35 PM (ymRuQ)

215 AND

Obamacare's dicey legal history (i.e. King vs. Burwell) would indicate that the executive branch can say whatever the hell the bill means without concern for the text itself.

So why can't TRUMP say, 'The federal government will not create the exchanges in accordance with the requirement in the law that the states do so.'

Seems like there is a lot of stuff that could be done well before any bill's passage.

Posted by: The Phillipics at March 22, 2017 07:35 PM (Dwglb)

216 207 Trump has stated, more that once, he wanted universal health care.
Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:31 PM (uKRys)

***********************************************
Not during the campaign he didn't. And considering the fact that YOU have been 100% laughingly and utterly wrong on everything Trump -- from the primary, to the GE to his keeping his campaign promises in office -- it's a guarantee that you are wrong on Trump now.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2017 07:36 PM (+51lA)

217 SecPriceMD
22/03/17 19:41
Excited to join @TuckerCarlson on @FoxNews tonight to talk about the latest on #RepealAndReplace and #AHCA. Tune in at 9pm ET.

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 07:37 PM (y3aQB)

218 Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:31 PM (/tuJf)

Everyone ignored Ryan last February because having given all budgeting authority to Obama in order to avoid controversy and the basic responibility of his position, his word carries no credibility, and that bill like all the others was just more failure theater aimed at fundraising.

Regular order is of no use at all if the final product is no good.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 07:38 PM (3Liv/)

219 >>Obamacare's dicey legal history (i.e. King vs. Burwell) would indicate that the executive branch can say whatever the hell the bill means without concern for the text itself.

And that's what Trump and Ryan and others have been referring to as Phase 2 for weeks now. It's why Tom Price got the job.

Winning is good.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:38 PM (/tuJf)

220 Jackstraw- I appreciate and understand your points, but how do you square the retention of care for illegals?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:39 PM (axq4p)

221 Great ideas Rhomboid @139

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2017 07:39 PM (SIY7D)

222 NeverTrump means NeverTrump.

Just because you have no principles or honor Ace and your word is worthless. Doesn't mean others don't stick to theirs.

#NEVERTRUMP

Posted by: Trump to lose in a landslide at May 27, 2016
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heh.

Makes my day.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:40 PM (osJCJ)

223 Not during the campaign he didn't. And considering
the fact that YOU have been 100% laughingly and utterly wrong on
everything Trump -- from the primary, to the GE to his keeping his
campaign promises in office -- it's a guarantee that you are wrong on
Trump now.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2017 07:36 PM (+51lA)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/p2qtp7n

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:43 PM (uKRys)

224 "So the members of Congress defined the Congress itself as being... a "small business" for Obamacare's purposes."

Great point. I think they went further and defined each Congresscritter's office to be a small business.

Given that each such office has its own set of books to track grafts and payoffs, they had a point

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2017 07:43 PM (SIY7D)

225 Looks like we're bent over the barrel by the Don and the Pubbies.

On the other hand:

Rep. Louie Gohmert, an outspoken House Republican from Texas, is calling for a congressional investigation of John Podesta's role with Rusnano, a state-run company founded by Russian President Vladimir Putin, The Daily Caller News Foundation's Investigative Group has learned.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kmplyca

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 07:43 PM (Vnlws)

226 >>Jackstraw- I appreciate and understand your points, but how do you square the retention of care for illegals?

Some of that is already being addressed in the original bill and the amendment process from what I've heard. Specifically in the area of Medicaid expansion which is part of Obamacare and has been wildly abused by some states.

It was never going to be one big repeal process regardless of whether they had 60 Senators or not. The dirty truth is Medicaid expansion was hugely adopted by the states, including Republican states, and those governors do not want it to be repealed without some safety net.

It's going to be a slow, multi-phased unwind. We are talking about 1/5th of the economy with some things that our supposed allies want. It was always going to be difficult and messy.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:43 PM (/tuJf)

227 Winning is good.

Crushing the Medical, Insurance, Legal and Agribusiness beyond the point of recession is the ONLY thing that will really fix the math. In the long run we'll be squabbling over farxiga in the ruins.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2017 07:43 PM (FhXTo)

228 A Conservative Friendly Alternative to Facebook? Try http://right2voice.com.

Posted by: Robert farrow at March 22, 2017 07:46 PM (4DERI)

229 Ben Had I gather the illegals-related thing is sort of odd. It's about whether the IRS would be required to verify eligibility (i.e. citizenship/immigration status) of those seeking tax credits.

Now the whole tax credit thing is somewhat puzzling. Unless it's a stop-gap to provide relief to the ravaged individual and small group markets, until "normal" (vastly over-regulated and cartelized, but still 400% cheaper) insurance can return.

But it's funny how every single thing connected to illegals, like this somewhat arcane question, leads to the same conclusion: having illegals *gone* solves many problems, and saves many $$$$. Uncanny, it is.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 07:46 PM (QDnY+)

230 126 FBN is now reporting that the White House says they believe they have a deal with the Freedom Caucus to make enough changes to get the votes.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:08 PM (/tuJf)

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Alternative Headline: FREEDOM CAUCUS MEMBERS AS EASILY BRIBED AS ANYONE ELSE

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 07:47 PM (vsYKI)

231 Where there's a way. In other words, no way.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 22, 2017 07:47 PM (Nwg0u)

232 Karl Denninger has been talking about this until he's blue in the face:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231928

The bill does nothing to address health care costs.

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 07:47 PM (sdi6R)

233 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 22, 2017 07:47 PM (KCxzN)

234 209 Our side has Mark Meadows, Gohmert, Brat, Jordan et al---worthy warriors.

The other side has Paul K Street Ryan has a large posse of ass kissing pukes.

I like our odds.
Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at March 22, 2017 07:32 PM (oBuXO)

____

They have the money. Which means they always win. Even when we win, we still lose.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 07:48 PM (vsYKI)

235 I estimate that about 80% of the opposition to Obamacare centers on one single aspect:

The compulsory nature of the "suggestion" that everyone must have health insurance.

The part about "hard-working taxpayers must now fund free healthcare for layabouts and illegal immigrants" is bad, sure, but in truth there already are several other kinds of annoying welfare handouts in this 21st-century welfare state of ours, and this aspect of Obamacare only rises to the level of "yet another annoying and unwanted burden on taxpayers."

But "ALL AMERICANS MUST BUY HEALTH CARE WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!" is a fresh category of outrage that mst people simply can not stand. The government telling I must buy something? Something expensive and overpriced? No. No way.

If the Congress just repealed this one aspect, then most people would be satisfied.

Of course, the kicker is, that without the compulsory clause, the whole system will disintegrate in a matter of months. So, really, that's all you NEED to repeal.

Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2017 07:49 PM (DQ4Fv)

236 Screw their safety net.
No. More. Freebies. From. My. Wallet. Unless. I. Choose. To.

Get rid of all of em! Now!
No more welfare.
No more food stamps.
No more medicade.

I'm commented to help widows and orphans.
There are others I choose to help.
But it should be my by God choice.

Posted by: teej at March 22, 2017 07:49 PM (6CZio)

237 It is a tried and true strategy. Take a little here, cut a little there. Pretty soon you have your enemy eating horse flesh and making ball gowns outta drapes.

That's when you go in for the kill. You know, like I did at Cold Harbor.

Posted by: General U.S. Grant at March 22, 2017 07:49 PM (5VlCp)

238 http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231928

The bill does nothing to address health care costs.
Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 07:47 PM (sdi6R)

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Because the bill is nothing but keeping Obamacare as is where it counts. The changes are minor. So if Obamacare is a shit sandwich, this bill is a shit sandwich but you get a cookie afterwards. Doesn't make the shit sandwich any more tasty though.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 07:49 PM (vsYKI)

239 One of Mike Lee's good buddies is Glenn Beck.

Make of that what you will.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 07:51 PM (PY9jH)

240 Looks like Podesta may be headed for Tahiti, too.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2017 07:51 PM (HgMAr)

241 Commanded not commented.

Posted by: teej at March 22, 2017 07:52 PM (6CZio)

242 isn't that grammie wingers district? wonder if the wall is done around ryans' house there?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 22, 2017 07:52 PM (KP5rU)

243 Stop with the free school too. I'm so sick and tired of this crap.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 07:53 PM (uKRys)

244 You want insurance you buy insurance.

If for some reason (broken neck) you cannot afford insurance there will be some, to be determined, assistance.

Insurance belongs in the unregulated open market.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 07:53 PM (Vnlws)

245 235 I estimate that about 80% of the opposition to Obamacare centers on one single aspect:

The compulsory nature of the "suggestion" that everyone must have health insurance.

____

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me the mandate is fine. I actually think it's a good idea. The thing that makes OCare and RyanCare awful is the notion that every health insurance policy has to be identical. They all cover the same items. And they all cost the same for everyone. The only differentiator is age. But everyone aged 32 for example pays the same amount for a bronze plan. Doesn't matter if you're a man or woman. Doesn't matter if you smoke or not. Doesn't matter if you're obese or a marathon runner. You're 32 you pay $X. That is not insurance. I don't know what it is exactly, but insurance it is not.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 07:53 PM (vsYKI)

246 It's going to be a slow, multi-phased unwind. We are talking about 1/5th of the economy with some things that our supposed allies want. It was always going to be difficult and messy.
Posted by: JackStraw

Crash & burn will be messier.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 07:54 PM (4RRDi)

247 "The bill does nothing to address health care costs."

Quite. The crazy aunt in the attic whom everyone would fain politely pretend does not exist.

Pay no attention to the screeching and thumping sounds from above. It's all going to be worked out in committee.

Even bigtime Democratic donor and Obama crony Warren Buffett made the admission against interest that Obamacare did absolutely nothing to get to grips with America's health care _cost_ problem.

And, quelle surprise, neither does the GOP's Obamacare Lite.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 22, 2017 07:54 PM (noWW6)

248 rhomboid and Jackstraw- Could you please explain how California is passing legislation to
provide healthcare to illegals, mostly in the form of anchor babies being born here, and without removing that provision rates would be lowered. Thank You.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 07:54 PM (axq4p)

249 But "ALL AMERICANS MUST BUY HEALTH CARE WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!" is a fresh category of outrage that mst people simply can not stand. The government telling I must buy something? Something expensive and overpriced? No. No way.

What I hate is interfering with my right to purchase a product I want. If I want to buy a barebones catastrophic plan I should be able to.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2017 07:55 PM (LTHVh)

250 Hotair.com is doing the "two sites in one" thing today. Two pieces on Schiff, one from John Sexton, one front AP. One is written like a hysterical Salon writer on period panties wrote it, and of course it assumes Schiff is the honorable man.

Can you guess who wrote which? No peeking!

Posted by: Rusty Nail at March 22, 2017 07:55 PM (18FL1)

251 >>I can't speak for anyone else, but for me the mandate is fine. I actually think it's a good idea. The thing that makes OCare and RyanCare awful is the notion that every health insurance policy has to be identical. They all cover the same items.

You should be happy to hear that appears not to be the case any longer. Freedom Caucus amendment is designed to address this issue.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:55 PM (/tuJf)

252 The best health insurance is a high deductible, low cost catastrophic plan. $75/mo covers you if you get cancer. But if you need to see a doctor for the flu or get a broken leg or other shit like that, you're on your own. That's what insurance is. You don't call Geico when you need an oil change. You don't call AllState when you need a new furnace. But Americans have been conditioned that BlueCross should pay for the equivalent of an oil change.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 07:55 PM (vsYKI)

253 Hmmmm...: Mike Lee Says Senate Parliamentarian Informed Him It Might Be Possible to Undo Obamacare Regulations Via Reconciliation

Man ... do I have to quote this again ? I guess I have to quote this again. Somebody grab Ace.

Paul Ryan. 1/7/16. After the passage of HR 3762 ...

"This is the closest that we have come to repealing Obamacare. And now we are sending that repeal to the president's desk. And we have now shown that with a Republican president, there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the United States Senate. We are confronting the president with the hard, honest truth. Obamacare does not work. It has to go.

Honestly ... the fucking dude said it. I'm not making this shit up. It's on www.speaker.gov.

Who ... amongst the usual GOP apologists ... will refute this ?

*opens beer*

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 07:56 PM (fiGNd)

254 You should be happy to hear that appears not to be the case any longer. Freedom Caucus amendment is designed to address this issue.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:55 PM (/tuJf)

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Yeah just like Obamacare didn't cover illegals right? I wouldn't trust Ryan if he told me the sun rises in the east.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 07:56 PM (vsYKI)

255 Trust but verify.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2017 07:57 PM (LTHVh)

256 Political science - Global Warming
Political medicine - ACA/RynoCare

What's next?

Posted by: Where's my bread at March 22, 2017 07:57 PM (Vnlws)

257 But "ALL AMERICANS MUST BUY HEALTH CARE WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!" is a fresh category of outrage that mst people simply can not stand. The government telling I must buy something? Something expensive and overpriced? No. No way.

What I hate is interfering with my right to purchase a product I want. If I want to buy a barebones catastrophic plan I should be able to.
Posted by: Grump928

What I hate is paying for the illegals and welfare cases who are QUITE capable of working.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 07:58 PM (4RRDi)

258 zombie, I don't think the 15-25 million people either without insurance for the first time in their lives or having seen a material blow to their (or their business's) finances from this idiocy would be "satisfied" that the mandate (which is not enforced, as I keep explaining, and wasn't even prior to the Trump EO or this bill) is gone.

The mandate turns out never to have existed, as a practical matter.

As a practical matter, millions of self-sufficient Americans who'd never even considered health insurance a major expense found themselves, overnight, unable to afford it.

But it's clear that the worst victims of O-care are today's "forgotten man". Trump himself, during the campaign, made a big deal out of 30% premium increases in AZ and a few places (something like that). Which means he wasn't even talking about the devastated individual and small group markets, at all. Those "markets" saw increases of 300-400%.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 07:58 PM (QDnY+)

259 >>Yeah just like Obamacare didn't cover illegals right? I wouldn't trust Ryan if he told me the sun rises in the east.

He isn't saying it, the White House did.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:58 PM (/tuJf)

260 Government funded and mandated school.

Government funded and mandated income tax collection.

Government funded and mandated trade regulation.

Government funded and mandated crop and farm insurance.

Government funded and mandated gasoline standards.

Government funded and mandated environmental standards.

Government funded and mandated on and on and on...

But for some reason I am supposed to freak out and blame Trump for Obama's law which Congress who had 8 years to figure it out, resists to repeal cleanly ?

meh

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:59 PM (osJCJ)

261 My $900/month plan (for real) forced me to pay for maternity coverage, newborn care, birth control, abortions, tranny surgery, etc., etc., etc. And this was when I had absolutely no health issues whatsoever.

Obama and everyone who voted for him and loved them some Obamacare can *types* *deletes*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 07:59 PM (PY9jH)

262 I also love paying taxes so deadbeatscan play XBOX all day long, while drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, and texting on their brand new iphone.....can get tax credits and/or Medicaid.

But god forbid we make these people work. That would be heartless or something.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:00 PM (vsYKI)

263 Apropos of little, is Kathy Griffin a lesbian?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 22, 2017 08:00 PM (LTHVh)

264 Mike Lee due on w/Levin

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at March 22, 2017 08:01 PM (+tRIN)

265 Obama and everyone who voted for him and loved them some Obamacare can *types* *deletes*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 07:59 PM (PY9jH)

Ummmmmmm....Yes. Some idiots voted for him twice so they can *types* *deletes* twice.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 22, 2017 08:01 PM (5VlCp)

266 But for some reason I am supposed to freak out and blame Trump for Obama's law which Congress who had 8 years to figure it out, resists to repeal cleanly ?

meh

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 07:59 PM
********************

No. But he should be held accountable for giving a thumbs up to RynoCare.

Posted by: Where's my bread at March 22, 2017 08:01 PM (Vnlws)

267 261 My $900/month plan (for real) forced me to pay for maternity coverage, newborn care, birth control, abortions, tranny surgery, etc., etc., etc. And this was when I had absolutely no health issues whatsoever.

Obama and everyone who voted for him and loved them some Obamacare can *types* *deletes*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 07:59 PM (PY9jH)

_____

YES!! That is the root cause of the Obamacare clusterfuck. And yet it's the one issue NOBODY ever talks about. All we hear from Ryan and his merry band of RINO pukes is free market this and free market that, while forcing me (a man who got a snip snip several years ago) to buy an insurance policy that covers maternity and birth control. That is the free market according to Ryan.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:01 PM (vsYKI)

268 Apropos of little, is Kathy Griffin a lesbian?
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maybe plasticsexual?

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 08:02 PM (osJCJ)

269 So Schumer says the Gorsuch nomination should be delayed because Trump is being investigated by the FBI? He really believes trump will be impeached?

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 22, 2017 08:02 PM (O2RFr)

270 I also love paying taxes so deadbeatscan play XBOX
all day long, while drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, and texting on
their brand new iphone.....can get tax credits and/or Medicaid.

But god forbid we make these people work. That would be heartless or something.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:00 PM (vsYKI)

Which brings me to Obamaphones. Can we please STOP THIS SHIT?? Unless you are the elderly poor, or disabled, you should NOT have a free phone. Jeebus, my blood boils.

My husband's office administrator said she knows (shamefully) a family of five living under the same roof, no one is working, and ALL FIVE have a "free" cellphone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 08:02 PM (PY9jH)

271 Schumer is lower than the dog shit I stepped in the other day.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:03 PM (uKRys)

272 OT: For whosoever is interested, there is a great exposition on a movie tonight. Because expositions, the introduction of background information setting the scene and introducing the characters, are difficult and often boring and artificial, I often use a good one as a means to judge a book or movie. Tonight is one of the best. A long shot creates suspense while introducing the movie in Orson Wells' A Touch of Evil on TCM.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 22, 2017 08:03 PM (Nwg0u)

273 259 >>Yeah just like Obamacare didn't cover illegals right? I wouldn't trust Ryan if he told me the sun rises in the east.

He isn't saying it, the White House did.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 07:58 PM (/tuJf)

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Come on. Let's get real. Trump/WH has no fucking clue what's in the bill, nor do they care. They just want a bill - any bill - passed to get a "win".

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:03 PM (vsYKI)

274 Ben Had, I don't know what you're talking about there, so can't help. Even though I live there, I can't bear to even follow the offensive idiocy CA now generates 24/7. Seriously. Apart from making sure I front-run/avoid running afoul of the latest absurd gun-owners' harassment laws, I avert my eyes.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 08:03 PM (QDnY+)

275 So Schumer says the Gorsuch nomination should be delayed because Trump is being investigated by the FBI? He really believes trump will be impeached?

Fuck him. Go nuclear and seat Gorsuch.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2017 08:04 PM (4RRDi)

276 Apropos of little, is Kathy Griffin a lesbian?
Posted by: Grump928(C)

NO. But she does look like Beavis without makeup.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 22, 2017 08:05 PM (vRcUp)

277 Holy shi'ite, I had no idea Trump Luck has struck again.

Lots of smug libtards got pantsed today.

[Terrence and Phillip laughter] Bwaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!!

. . . Oh shit, and now I read that various contractors competing for the rights to build the Great Wall of Trump are building "test walls" in 100 foot sections at various spots along the border.

[Michael Scott voice] I'm gettin' a boner.

Posted by: logprof at March 22, 2017 08:05 PM (GsAUU)

278 Come on. Let's get real. Trump/WH has no fucking clue what's in the bill, nor do they care. They just want a bill - any bill - passed to get a "win".

Well ... did they think they had a win in 2016 ?

Or were they banking on The Jug Eared Fuck to give 'em a veto ? Kind of as a professional courtesy ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:05 PM (fiGNd)

279 No. But he should be held accountable for giving a thumbs up to RynoCare.

Posted by: Where's my bread
===

Trump is the very tail end of a LONG train of accountability for where we are now.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 08:06 PM (osJCJ)

280 "ALL FIVE have a 'free' cellphone."

Where by "cellphone" what is normally meant these days is a top of the line smartphone with an unlimited data plan.

I also guaran-damn-tee you that the databases containing that user data (I hesitate to use the term "customer" for people who aren't paying) have been snorked up into the Obama For America mothership for big-data purposes.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 22, 2017 08:06 PM (noWW6)

281 Whomever is recording for the dead pool, please give me a Bob Woodward by Autumn. Thanks.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2017 08:07 PM (ymRuQ)

282 252 The best health insurance is a high deductible, low cost catastrophic plan. $75/mo covers you if you get cancer. But if you need to see a doctor for the flu or get a broken leg or other shit like that, you're on your own. That's what insurance is. You don't call Geico when you need an oil change. You don't call AllState when you need a new furnace. But Americans have been conditioned that BlueCross should pay for the equivalent of an oil change.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 07:55 PM (vsYKI)

This exactly. My cat recently had surgery to remove a cancerous tumor. Technically it was outpatient surgery, since I dropped her off in the morning and picked her up on the way home from work.

The total cost was about $795.00, which I paid out of pocket. No insurance was involved. My vet even gave me an estimate before I agreed to the surgery, so I knew what to expect.

I suspect the same procedure on myself would be a great deal more than that, and I would have no idea what it would cost beforehand. The charges could even be different depending on what kind of insurance I had, or if I had no insurance.

No other industry operates this way. Can you imagine taking your car in for work and being charged differently according to what kind of auto insurance you had?

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 08:07 PM (sdi6R)

283 A mish in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Posted by: Chris M at March 22, 2017 08:07 PM (6RZos)

284 >>Come on. Let's get real. Trump/WH has no fucking clue what's in the bill, nor do they care. They just want a bill - any bill - passed to get a "win".

Do you know who his Sec of HHS is? Do you think he just picked him at random? Price has been the single most active guy in the House working to get rid of Obamacare over the last few years. This is his mission. Of course they know what's in the bill, they know what everyone hates about Obamacare and what exactly Price is planning to do as soon as its passed to continue to take it down.

Seriously, has Trump done anything in the last 2 years to make you think he likes losing or not doing exactly what he said he was going to do? When he says over and over and over that he is totally in sync with Ryan and McConnell and how to get his agenda passed successfully then maybe it's time to start listening to him.

Unless Trump is secretly part of this Uniparty thing I keep hearing about.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:08 PM (/tuJf)

285 Should have corrected my post to "all five have 'free' cellphone(s).'

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 08:08 PM (PY9jH)

286 I doubt anything can be done in the senate. Don't forget the likely (guaranteed) democrat vote by the bakers dozen rinos against President Trump's policies. Everythime.

Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2017 08:08 PM (zLDYs)

287 No. But he should be held accountable for giving a thumbs up to RynoCare.

Posted by: Where's my bread
===

Trump is the very tail end of a LONG train of accountability for where we are now.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 08:06 PM (osJCJ)

Right. That's why he was elected. Supposidly the not business as usual candidate.

Posted by: Where's my bread at March 22, 2017 08:09 PM (Vnlws)

288 Every month on every phone bill is a charge to pay for O/Slim phones. The only box you notice is the one that says "Do you want to donate more?"

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 08:10 PM (axq4p)

289 Sen. Lee says Senate leadership didn't ask parliamentarian about reconciliation till AFTER bill was written.
SMFH

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at March 22, 2017 08:11 PM (+tRIN)

290 I am quite sure that the Senators involved are highly aware of their vulnerability and the potential campaign commercials.

" He said he would Repeal. He didn't"

They aren't stupid. I don't think this is over.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 22, 2017 08:11 PM (osJCJ)

291 If the SCOTUS ruled Obamacare unconstitutional, would the 1/5th of the economy bit be considered or would it be ended immediately?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 22, 2017 08:11 PM (/f1mm)

292 I doubt anything can be done in the senate. Don't forget the likely (guaranteed) democrat vote by the bakers dozen rinos against President Trump's policies. Everythime.

Paul Ryan disagrees ... at least he did on 1/7/16.

Let's call this shit what it is. Republicans voted for HR 3762 because they KNEW The Jug Eared Fuck would veto it.

Because if they weren't sure ... they'd never have put in on the Congressional Floor.

Because Republican Leadership and The Jug Eared Fuck colluded much more than people would care to admit.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:11 PM (fiGNd)

293 >>>Apropos of little, is Kathy Griffin a lesbian?<<<

She's more like a predator that takes advantage of younger gay men.

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2017 08:13 PM (l7YCJ)

294 Government funded and mandated school.

Government funded and mandated income tax collection.

Government funded and mandated trade regulation.

Government funded and mandated crop and farm insurance.

Government funded and mandated gasoline standards.

Government funded and mandated environmental standards.

~~Government funded and mandated on and on and on...~~

But for some reason I am supposed to freak out and blame Trump for Obama's law which Congress who had 8 years to figure it out, resists to repeal cleanly ?

meh

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 08:15 PM (iUBwE)

295
My husband's office administrator said she knows (shamefully) a family of five living under the same roof, no one is working, and ALL FIVE have a "free" cellphone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 08:02 PM (PY9jH)

And by free they mean that the cost is baked into our bills to pay for it just like providing internet access to "the poor" means our internet bills go up

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2017 08:16 PM (auHtY)

296 281 Whomever is recording for the dead pool, please give me a Bob Woodward by Autumn. Thanks.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 22, 2017 08:07 PM (ymRuQ)

************

Put me down for Al Franken --death due to auto-choke while being visited by Autumn-- the transvestite.

Posted by: Holmes at March 22, 2017 08:16 PM (fi5nC)

297 Government funded and mandated school.

Government funded and mandated income tax collection.

Government funded and mandated trade regulation.

Government funded and mandated crop and farm insurance.

Government funded and mandated gasoline standards.

Government funded and mandated environmental standards.

Government funded and mandated on and on and on...

But for some reason I am supposed to freak out and blame Trump for Obama's law which Congress who had 8 years to figure it out, resists to repeal cleanly ?

meh

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 08:17 PM (iUBwE)

298 She's more like a predator that takes advantage of younger gay men.

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2017 08:13 PM (l7YCJ)

Does she drink their blood in some vain attempt to look human?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2017 08:17 PM (rF0hx)

299 Sen. Lee says Senate leadership didn't ask parliamentarian about reconciliation till AFTER bill was written. SMFH
Posted by: random lurker commenter at March 22, 2017 08:11 PM (+tRIN)

At what point do you just call somebody's bullshit for playing dumb ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:17 PM (fiGNd)

300 Government funded and mandated school.

Government funded and mandated income tax collection.

Government funded and mandated trade regulation.

Government funded and mandated crop and farm insurance.

Government funded and mandated gasoline standards.

Government funded and mandated environmental standards.

Government funded and mandated on and on and on...

But for some reason I am supposed to freak out and blame Trump for Obama's law which Congress who had 8 years to figure it out, resists to repeal cleanly ?

meh

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 08:18 PM (iUBwE)

301 5

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 22, 2017 08:18 PM (d76uN)

302 Government funded and mandated school.

Government funded and mandated income tax collection.

Government funded and mandated trade regulation.

Government funded and mandated crop and farm insurance.

Government funded and mandated gasoline standards.

Government funded and mandated environmental standards.

Government funded and mandated on and on and on...

But for some reason I am supposed to freak out and blame Trump for Obama's law which Congress who had 8 years to figure it out, resists to repeal cleanly ?

meh

This is how you actually change things. Kill one bad law, move on to the next one.

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 08:19 PM (iUBwE)

303 I am beyond tired of being lied to by these useless windbags who rule over us with such utter contempt.

Yes I know that all professions are conspiracies against the laity, but not all professions have such complete control over our lives.

Posted by: Boots at March 22, 2017 08:20 PM (EBwPV)

304 Just imagine if we bought food the same way we buy health care.

You would have to pick one grocery store to do your shopping. You would have a $20 copay every time you went to the store, and it wouldn't matter whether you bought a pound of broccoli or filled your cart with filet mignon.

But there would be no prices marked on the shelf, so you wouldn't know until you reached the checkout counter that the chicken breast wasn't covered and cost $150.

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 08:20 PM (sdi6R)

305 4

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 22, 2017 08:20 PM (d76uN)

306 Carlos Slim is the biggest provider of Opho's.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 08:21 PM (axq4p)

307 At what point do you just call somebody's bullshit for playing dumb ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:17 PM (fiGNd)

Apparently never, Ryan and McConnell (among far too many others) keep get re-elected and re-elected and ...

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2017 08:21 PM (gwPgz)

308 Why do I get the feeling that all this deep state/5th column media stuff the left has done to thwart President Trump and the will of the people SHOULD have been done by Bush to ubama? I mean, come on.

Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2017 08:21 PM (zLDYs)

309 Can we haz new thread?

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:22 PM (uKRys)

310 The Rs have no hope of dismantling this. Think Susan Collins. Think Corey (spit) Gardner.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 22, 2017 08:22 PM (FOLru)

311 Carlos Slim is the biggest provider of Opho's.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 22, 2017 08:21 PM (axq4p)

And he doesn't do it for free!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2017 08:22 PM (gwPgz)

312 Hey everybody.

Sorry to threadjack, but just read at FB that David Brock had a massive heart attack yesterday.

As I said there: I'll respond *exactly* the same way as Brock would if he found out a major Repub donor and supporter had an MI, by cheering and dancing and hoping Brock's mindbendingly painful death is imminent.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 22, 2017 08:23 PM (qazQh)

313

Think Susan Collins.

Do I have to?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 08:24 PM (IqV8l)

314 Rep. Peter King on O'Reilly

Prob 100% chance that Obama Administration had surveillance on Trump trans. team.

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 08:24 PM (y3aQB)

315 Who elected this parliamentarian ?

Because this fucker sounds like "the boss" when some cock-sucker wants to pull some bullshit.

Cock-Sucker: "Well ... everybody has to give me part of their lunch."

The Rest of Us: "Says Fucking Who ?"

Cock-Sucker:"The Parliamentarian. Wouldn't want to piss Xer off, now would ya' ?"

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:24 PM (fiGNd)

316 Rep. Peter King

Isn't that the guy that races Schumer to the camera?

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:25 PM (uKRys)

317 A military jet just went overhead a little south of Washington, D.C. North Koreans?

Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2017 08:26 PM (Sfs6o)

318 OK, this is weird. There is another post below here that no one has seen.

Posted by: HH at March 22, 2017 08:26 PM (DrCtv)

319 A military jet just went overhead a little south of Washington, D.C. North Koreans?

Probably just droning my ass.

'Sup Weas ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (fiGNd)

320 Healthcare reform will pass (and it will NOT be what the NeverTrumps and those who swore up and down how *great* Obamacare would be are telling us it is), Gorsuch will be confirmed, the idiot SJW judges in Hawaii, Washington and the 9th circuit will be smacked down and the travel bans will be enforced, and Trump will be vindicated on his "wiretap" claims.

Not tired of winning.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (+51lA)

321 A military jet just went overhead a little south of Washington, D.C. North Koreans?
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2017 08:26 PM (Sfs6o)

Nah, woulda burned up on take-off.

It can only be THE RUSSIANS!!!

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (iUBwE)

322 RichardGrenell

CNN's breaking news is from an anonymous official and their lede has "indicates" "suspected" and "possibly" all in the first sentence.

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (y3aQB)

323 check this out

https://i.redd.it/z82pgkhut0ny.jpg

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (Om16U)

324 Can't bribe em anymore. Ill-noize goobermint refuses to make soteros b'day a state holiday. Unions pushed hard for this, of course.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 22, 2017 08:28 PM (d76uN)

325 310 The Rs have no hope of dismantling this. Think Susan Collins. Think Corey (spit) Gardner.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 22, 2017 08:22 PM (FOLru)

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Funny no the Dems have no versions of those. Ever. See also SCOTUS.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:28 PM (vsYKI)

326
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (fiGNd)
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Yo Scogg! Not much. Spent the last five days at a mountain cabin about 90 minutes north of Knoxville. Very relaxing!

Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2017 08:28 PM (Sfs6o)

327 240 Looks like Podesta may be headed for Tahiti, too.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2017 07:51 PM (HgMAr

Is that what they are calling it?

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 22, 2017 08:29 PM (8SG/h)

328
Rep. Peter King on O'Reilly

Prob 100% chance that Obama Administration had surveillance on Trump trans. team.

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 08:24 PM (y3aQB)

Of COURSE TFG's admin. did. Most corrupt administration in history.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 08:29 PM (PY9jH)

329
It is axiomatic that anything Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are pushing is either a disaster or bullshit.

Why PDT hitched his wagon to this shit-show is beyond me. Unless he is going to do a reverse triple lindy at the last possible second tomorrow, this is a major mistake.

The fact that I have to state this at this point in time, after all we have seen and endured, is really very disappointing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 08:30 PM (mbhDw)

330 Rep. Peter King on O'Reilly

Prob 100% chance that Obama Administration had surveillance on Trump trans. team.

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 08:24 PM (y3aQB)

Fox New Radio - No, no, no! While investigating the Russian involvement in the election there maybe kinda sorta was some incidental totally legal surveillance.

That's pretty much what they said tonight

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2017 08:30 PM (auHtY)

331 *Can't bribe em anymore. Ill-noize goobermint refuses to make soteros b'day a state holiday. Unions pushed hard for this, of course.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 22, 2017 08:28 PM (d76uN)*

Heh, I was thinking $60 million doesn't go as far as it did 8 years ago.

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 08:31 PM (iUBwE)

332 323 check this out

https://i.redd.it/z82pgkhut0ny.jpg
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (Om16U)

Excellent. Send that to every liberal and/or European you know.

(I don't know any, personally.)

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 08:31 PM (sdi6R)

333 Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (+51lA)

I'll have what she's having.

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at March 22, 2017 08:31 PM (+tRIN)

334 >>>Do you think he just picked him at random? Price has been the single most active guy in the House working to get rid of Obamacare over the last few years.

Although I normally disagree with JackStraw on other topics, he seems the most informed out of anyone commenting here by a country mile. I think we need to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2017 08:34 PM (q177U)

335 Fox New Radio - No, no, no! While investigating the Russian involvement in the election there maybe kinda sorta was some incidental totally legal surveillance.

That's pretty much what they said tonight
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2017 08:30 PM (auHtY)

_____

And Fox is the "conservative" network, LOL!

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:35 PM (vsYKI)

336 335 And Fox is the "conservative" network, LOL!
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:35 PM (vsYKI)

There is only one conservative network: Right here, weekday mornings at 6:45-7:00AM.

You tried the rest, now try the best. THE BEST!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 08:36 PM (mbhDw)

337 Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2017 08:27 PM (+51lA)

I'll have what she's having.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at March 22, 2017 08:31

I was thinking more along the lines of shine box.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:36 PM (uKRys)

338 Yo Scogg! Not much. Spent the last five days at a mountain cabin about 90 minutes north of Knoxville. Very relaxing!

East Tennessee is a hell of a place.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:36 PM (fiGNd)

339 Don't think any senator today actually can even engage in a serious debate with the parliamentarian. KKK Byrd of WV was the last to be able to do so.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 07:18

Yes. Too bad he died right after calling out Obama on his treatment of Congress.

Mike Lee may the next parliamentarian Sen if he pulls this trick off. I doubt it tho, too many opposed.

Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 08:37 PM (o/90i)

340 Tomorrow: The Triple Lindy!

In Trump We Trust.

Posted by: Redgrains at March 22, 2017 08:37 PM (qbSFS)

341 now I read that various contractors competing for the rights to build the Great Wall of Trump are building "test walls" in 100 foot sections at various spots along the border.

It's the "Build before buy" paradigm.

Posted by: Fox2! at March 22, 2017 08:37 PM (g6VuL)

342 Do you know who his Sec of HHS is? Do you think he just picked him at random? Price has been the single most active guy in the House working to get rid of Obamacare over the last few years. This is his mission. Of course they know what's in the bill, they know what everyone hates about Obamacare and what exactly Price is planning to do as soon as its passed to continue to take it down.

Seriously, has Trump done anything in the last 2 years to make you think he ****likes losing or not *****doing exactly what he said he was going to do? When he says over and over and over that he is totally in sync with Ryan and McConnell and how to get his agenda passed successfully then maybe it's time to start listening to him.

Unless Trump is secretly part of this Uniparty thing I keep hearing about.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:08 PM (/tuJf)

_____

Your second parapgraph makes my point. He doesn't care what's in the bill. He just wants to WIN BABY WIN!

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:37 PM (vsYKI)

343 Yo Scogg! Not much. Spent the last five days at a mountain cabin about 90 minutes north of Knoxville. Very relaxing!

East Tennessee is a hell of a place.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:36

I'm thinking of heading up Crawford way this weekend Off the grid.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:38 PM (uKRys)

344 338 Yo Scogg! Not much. Spent the last five days at a mountain cabin about 90 minutes north of Knoxville. Very relaxing!

East Tennessee is a hell of a place.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:36 PM (fiGNd)

Tweetsie country! Train buffs will know that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 08:39 PM (mbhDw)

345 Also Jackstraw.....that whole Phase 2 and 3 is complete and utter bullshit. After RynoCare, they will spend 6 months on tax reform. And then 2017 is over. And 2018 being an election year nothing will get done because nothing ever gets done in election years.

There is a better chance that i become POTUS than Phase 3 happening.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:40 PM (vsYKI)

346 Bush and Obama are deepstate.
-----------------------------------------------

Just imagine if we bought food the same way we buy health care.

You would have to pick one grocery store to do your shopping. You would have a $20 copay every time you went to the store, and it wouldn't matter whether you bought a pound of broccoli or filled your cart with filet mignon.

But there would be no prices marked on the shelf, so you wouldn't know until you reached the checkout counter that the chicken breast wasn't covered and cost $150.
Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 08:20 PM (sdi6R)

That's the commercial for no RynoCare right there.
Oh, where are the commercials?
Not the NRA
Not the insurance cos
Not the Chamber of Commerce

We ain't got nobody that we can depend on
No tengo nadi

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 08:40 PM (Vnlws)

347 So Schumer says the Gorsuch nomination should be delayed because Trump is being investigated by the FBI? He really believes trump will be impeached?

Posted by: It's Me donna

Ok, how about I get appointed to the Supreme Court and Neil Gorsuch can become Ivanka Trump's personal assistant. This stalemate can't continue forever.

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at March 22, 2017 08:41 PM (vRcUp)

348 We're #3! We're #3!!

Most corrupt state that is. It's something but we still lag behind NY and Cali.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/koj6xax

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 22, 2017 08:42 PM (d76uN)

349 Yea it's always nerve wracking when The Deal is in the balance but we hired a Boss.

And Ryan is incidental splooge.

Bet The Boss. On the nose.

Posted by: Redgrains at March 22, 2017 08:42 PM (qbSFS)

350 Shoulda married Don Knotts when I had the chance. Then I'd be Jamie Gorelick-Knotts.

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at March 22, 2017 08:43 PM (vRcUp)

351 Just get it past April baby.

Posted by: Chuckie at March 22, 2017 08:43 PM (Vnlws)

352 http://washex.am/2mSqinb
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House leadership considers ditching Obamacare regulations to woo conservatives

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 08:44 PM (y3aQB)

353
We ain't got nobody that we can depend on
No tengo nadi

Posted by: gNewt

Fox News Channel is running commercials supporting the retention of Obamacare.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 08:44 PM (IqV8l)

354 Although I normally disagree with JackStraw on other topics, he seems the most informed out of anyone commenting here by a country mile. I think we need to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2017 08:34 PM (q177U)

You know, if it were just Trump, I might be tempted to consider that condition but since it involve the GOPe, not only no but hell no. They get absolutely ZERO benefit of the doubt. Fuck. Them.

Scrap the RINOcare bill and start over with a single line: The Affordable Care Act is repealed in its entirety and no further funding for any of its provisions shall be provided.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 08:45 PM (VRsLi)

355 Even if this is true, gop doesn't have votes in senate to pass clean repeal or superconservative replacement.

Four gop senators said medicaid expansion repeal is doa to them.

Posted by: Johnson at March 22, 2017 08:45 PM (ReiGJ)

356 I'm thinking of heading up Crawford way this weekend Off the grid.
Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:38 PM (uKRys)
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We were due east of there - at Lake Norris. Very nice place to get away for a few days.

Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2017 08:45 PM (Sfs6o)

357 House leadership considers ditching Obamacare regulations to woo conservatives
Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 08:44 PM (y3aQB)

_____

Disgusting that Ryan didn't do this initially.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:46 PM (vsYKI)

358 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 08:44 PM (IqV8l)

you can't deny to run a commercial as long as it isn't ridiculous slander

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 22, 2017 08:47 PM (y3aQB)

359 Iow, even with a stupid plain majority vote, Trump can't pass clean repeal or our preferred version.

This is why i hate the gop. Dems stick together, they get it done.

Posted by: Johnson at March 22, 2017 08:47 PM (ReiGJ)

360 https://is.gd/eNTssO

Interesting if true: Sez the NYPD is leaking info about Weiner's laptop, that Hillary covered for his peccadilloes with a 15yo girl, etc.

Don't see any sources, tho...

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at March 22, 2017 08:47 PM (A6uIZ)

361 Yeah Ace... we already knew Ryan was so full of lying lies that nothing spewing out of his mouth could be trusted.

And it is great to know that the parliamentarian is not totally in the bag for the Dems.... but you know what would allow the whole repeal to be passed with 51 votes? Killing the filibuster dead or assiduously enforcing it so the old farts have to stay on the floor of the Senate and talk and talk til the drop.

The benefit of killing the filibuster dead for this issue is it will lessen the chance that the feckless GOP urges confirmation of squishy centrist judges going forward (all in the name of comity and getting to that magic number 60).

The benefit of leaving the filibuster intact and making Senators actually filibuster is that, like Nascar, there might be fatalities if you watch long enough. Either way, anyone who says that anything in the Senate actually needs 60 votes is lying.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 08:48 PM (FTXAT)

362 Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2017 08:45 PM (Sfs6o) Unless you were in CO,

I should have clarified. This is in CO above Needle Rock, but yes it is beautiful.

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:48 PM (uKRys)

363 He should have kept his peccadillo covered.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 08:49 PM (IqV8l)

364 #neverskankles, your fear (no phases 2 or 3) is probably shared by many.

In this case, I wonder. This bill (if it passes), plus what Price can do via "the Secretary determines" and possibly other EOs, should break the back of the good ship O-care (which actually was launched and commissioned with a broken keel).

The hardest hit people (up to 15 million or more either without insurance for the first time ever, or being financially gutted to afford it) are not going to see any relief from phase 1, at all, probably. Question is whether the political pressure from the vast majority, who have yet to feel any real pain from O-care (sorry, not considering premium hikes of less than 200% "real pain"), will be sustained.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 08:49 PM (QDnY+)

365 There is only one conservative network: Right here, weekday mornings at 6:45-7:00AM.
You tried the rest, now try the best. THE BEST!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 08:36

I don't think I've said TY for that yet JJ, so THANK YOU!

Now that has to be a lot of work. It's appreciated. And nice to know there are some conservatives in NY besides Ace.

Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 08:49 PM (o/90i)

366 Fox News Channel is running commercials supporting the retention of Obamacare.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 08:44 PM (IqV8l)

FNC or your local cable/satellite provider?

I get barraged by a constant stream of SJW-Ad Council bullshit ads on my cable provider on pretty much every channel.

Oh, and . . . Trump needs to shut down ALL non-employment-solicitation advertising from ALL fedgov agencies, ASAP.

And, investigate the "Ad Council" with an eye towards pulling their non-profit status. Because they ain't "non-partisan." Not at all.

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 08:49 PM (s5o+q)

367 As a Newyorkistani, I'm as shocked, shocked as anyone at the mere suggestion that there's any corruption whatsoever in our state...

We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at March 22, 2017 08:50 PM (kP16F)

368 I should have clarified. This is in CO above Needle Rock, but yes it is beautiful.
Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:48 PM (uKRys)
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Oh! Well then we were southeast of there!

Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2017 08:50 PM (Sfs6o)

369 >>Your second parapgraph makes my point. He doesn't care what's in the bill. He just wants to WIN BABY WIN!

Ah, no. If it doesn't work, if there are no more phases, then there is no win. Either that or you think that Trump and all the rest of them think we are idiot clapping seals that don't actually want the things that Obamacare repeal and free market replacements will bring. I don't believe that.

>>There is a better chance that i become POTUS than Phase 3 happening.

And there you make my point. They don't have the 60 votes for full repeal. There are only 52 Republicans and even a couple of them say they won't vote for anything that repeals Medicaid expansion without a replacement.

Yea, it's going to be a bitch to get some of the legislative pieces done but by then Obamacare will be a smoldering mess in everything but name. That might make it easier but there is zero chance that if they tried a full legislative repeal first they would get it passed with 60 votes.

Not sure why this is so controversial. If you take away the funding and the mandates and combine it with the fact that Obamacare is already collapsing the end is guaranteed. Why some people are so invested in going the legislative route that would not work that they can't accept that there is another way that works just as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:51 PM (/tuJf)

370 Rent seeking mufflers that's what they all are.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 08:52 PM (Vnlws)

371 Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 08:49 PM (QDnY+)

____

1986:

Phase 1: Amnesty bill. Consveratives hated it but RINOs swore it was a super duper good bill because Phase 2 man!

Phase 2: Toughen up border, expand enforcement, etc

How'd Phase 2 work out for everyone?

Phase 2 and 3 of RynoCare will be the same thing. Never gonna happen.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:52 PM (vsYKI)

372 Oh! Well then we were southeast of there!

Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2017 08:50 PM (Sfs6o)

You will have to let me know next time!

Posted by: Infidel at March 22, 2017 08:53 PM (uKRys)

373 Ah, no. If it doesn't work, if there are no more
phases, then there is no win. Either that or you think that Trump and
all the rest of them think we are idiot clapping seals that don't
actually want the things that Obamacare repeal and free market
replacements will bring. I don't believe that.

>>There is a better chance that i become POTUS than Phase 3 happening.

And there you make my point. They don't have the 60 votes for full
repeal. There are only 52 Republicans and even a couple of them say they
won't vote for anything that repeals Medicaid expansion without a
replacement.

Yea, it's going to be a bitch to get some of the legislative pieces
done but by then Obamacare will be a smoldering mess in everything but
name. That might make it easier but there is zero chance that if they
tried a full legislative repeal first they would get it passed with 60
votes.

Not sure why this is so controversial. If you take away the funding
and the mandates and combine it with the fact that Obamacare is already
collapsing the end is guaranteed. Why some people are so invested in
going the legislative route that would not work that they can't accept
that there is another way that works just as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:51 PM (/tuJf)

They don't need 60 votes. If they have to kill the filibuster so be it.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 08:53 PM (FTXAT)

374 The dismantling of the deepstate is the work of generations.

Or, of a really violent, nasty, kill-lots-of-people and break-lots-of-things civil war (and probably a world war just for spice).

It will be a MAJOR achievement if we (by that I mean the forces of individual responsibility and advocates of liberty) can at least turn the hitherto ratchet-like "progress" of increasing state control over our lives back just ONE click.

Just one click.

Baby steps.

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 08:54 PM (s5o+q)

375 Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at March 22, 2017 08:50 PM (kP16F)

If NY was a little further south you could blame Northern Yankee Imperialist Running Dog Locuts for your corruption problem.

As it stands now? Sorry about your luck.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 22, 2017 08:55 PM (d76uN)

376 Not sure why this is so controversial. If you take away the funding and the mandates and combine it with the fact that Obamacare is already collapsing the end is guaranteed. Why some people are so invested in going the legislative route that would not work that they can't accept that there is another way that works just as well.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:51 PM (/tuJf)

____

RynoCare is the worst possible outcome. Taking the mandate away but leaving everything else as is will bankrupt insurance companies. And what do think happens when we have no more insurance companies?

Hint: govt run health care

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 08:55 PM (vsYKI)

377 They don't need 60 votes. If they have to kill the filibuster so be it.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 08:53 PM (FTXAT)

Damn it red ... people like you and Paul Ryan that talk shit about repealing Obamacare really chap my ass.

Do you even process ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:55 PM (fiGNd)

378 And, Dave Brat says there are 37-40 no votes on Ryancare so hopefully it dies tomorrow.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 08:55 PM (FTXAT)

379 Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:51 PM (/tuJf)

I think people are invested in the legislative method is because by repealing it, it cannot languish about until the GOPe led congress is under less scrutiny or the Democrats (BIRM) take charge and re-fund it back into operation.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 08:56 PM (VRsLi)

380
I think you just ask -- "Hey! Parliamentarian! What's going on? Any chance we can repeal O'Care with reconciliation?"

"...yeah, sure, why not."

"Thanks!"

One of my two favorite snarky / "up yours" answers.

The other is, "Beats the shit outta me!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 22, 2017 08:57 PM (5I436)

381 Four gop senators said medicaid expansion repeal is doa to them.
Posted by: Johnson

These four whores will be a problem until after midterms.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 08:58 PM (zZb/S)

382 NYPD is leaking info about Weiner's laptop, that Hillary covered for his peccadilloes with a 15yo girl, etc.

When they say "For The Children", they really mean it!

Posted by: t-bird at March 22, 2017 08:58 PM (hBig8)

383 Just deem the previously passed bill, passed and send it to Trump.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 08:59 PM (zZb/S)

384 Tucker + Nigel = WIN

Posted by: logprof at March 22, 2017 08:59 PM (GsAUU)

385 Repeal and let the chips fall where they may. Like when it was implemented. Anything less is not what I wanted but is pretty much what I expect.

Posted by: freaked at March 22, 2017 08:59 PM (BO/km)

386 365
Now that has to be a lot of work. It's appreciated. And nice to know there are some conservatives in NY besides Ace.
Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 08:49 PM (o/90i)

Avec plaisir. There's me, NGU and that anti-semite bastard CBD.

Behind the lines.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 08:59 PM (mbhDw)

387 Nood below! Mail order vaginas and foreign mish telling POTUS what to do.

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 22, 2017 09:00 PM (8SG/h)

388 If Trump had stuck his thumb up oRyans butt instead of giving him a thumbs up we wouldn't be stuck with RynoCare.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:00 PM (Vnlws)

389 379 Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:51 PM (/tuJf)

I think people are invested in the legislative method is because by repealing it, it cannot languish about until the GOPe led congress is under less scrutiny or the Democrats (BIRM) take charge and re-fund it back into operation.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 08:56 PM (VRsLi)

I would like to see it killed dead so we can get on to the next order of business.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at March 22, 2017 09:00 PM (UYMK1)

390 As a Newyorkistani, I'm as shocked, shocked as anyone at the mere suggestion that there's any corruption whatsoever in our state...

We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki

What are "reporter ratings"?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 22, 2017 09:00 PM (vRcUp)

391 It will be a MAJOR achievement if we (by that I mean
the forces of individual responsibility and advocates of liberty) can
at least turn the hitherto ratchet-like "progress" of increasing state
control over our lives back just ONE click.

Just one click.

Baby steps.

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 08:54 PM (s5o+q)

Unfortunately filbert, baby steps will do us no good. The Dems take 6 or 7 giant leaps toward progressivism every time they are in power. Taking one baby step back from it does not even get us back to the point we were at the beginning of the Dem administration before we took power.

6 steps backward followed by one step backward gets us exactly where the Dems want us every time. Now is the time for hack saws and machetes NOT pruning shears.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:01 PM (FTXAT)

392 386 365
Now that has to be a lot of work. It's appreciated. And nice to know there are some conservatives in NY besides Ace.
Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 08:49 PM (o/90i)

Avec plaisir. There's me, NGU and that anti-semite bastard CBD.

Behind the lines.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 08:59 PM (mbhDw)
***********************

Yes, very much dittos.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:02 PM (Vnlws)

393 *Four gop senators said medicaid expansion repeal is doa to them.
Posted by: Johnson*

Yet Harry Reid never had this problem....

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 09:02 PM (iUBwE)

394 Can somebody help me ?

I've got a PDF of the Constitution and all the Ammendments up right now. I can't find the Parliamentarian dude anywhere.

Is this part of that really complicated process shit that I'm too redneck to understand ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:02 PM (fiGNd)

395 JackStraw, as I've been saying for a while, you repeal what you can quickly, have "the Secretary determines" wreak more havoc, AND quickly put a full repeal* into the Senate, where 10-12 Dems from Trump states up this cycle will find out what "politics" means.

A "smoldering mess" O-care already is (actually, it's just disappearing, as a practical matter, from many areas, as companies withdraw from the "exchanges" and doctors/medical groups do the same).

But it's a smoldering mess that leaves up to 25 million people in trouble (10-15 million individually, up to 10 million more via small group/business).

This trouble cannot be alleviated until the mandates (regarding policies, not the requirement to have coverage) that have mangled the already mis-regulated insurance markets are gone. The things that drove coverage up by 300%, overnight, in 2015.

* in NONE of my over-long comments am I addressing Medicaid expansion, which has nothing inherently to do with the destruction of the individual/small group insurance markets, nor for that matter with the degradation of the larger health insurance market generally

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:02 PM (QDnY+)

396 There are no freaking noods on my tv.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:03 PM (Vnlws)

397 4 GOP senators will actually stand up for conservatism?

THE BASTARDS!!!

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:03 PM (vsYKI)

398 They don't need 60 votes. If they have to kill the filibuster so be it.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 08:53 PM (FTXAT)

Damn it red ... people like you and Paul Ryan that talk shit about repealing Obamacare really chap my ass.

Do you even process ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 08:55 PM (fiGNd)

Do you process that you will never win playing by their rules? Do you process that the Republicans are in the process of betraying us and using Senate rules that are completely under their control to change as an excuse (and not even a good one)?

That may be acceptable to you but it is not to me and a lot of other people.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:03 PM (FTXAT)

399 --
Just deem the previously passed bill, passed and send it to Trump.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 08:59 PM
------------

Obviously the parliamentarian weighed in on those bills and found them A-OK, right? Right?? I mean the parliamentarian isn't just a transparent cat's-paw, is it?

Posted by: irright at March 22, 2017 09:04 PM (vqzjE)

400 But it's a smoldering mess that leaves up to 25 million people in trouble (10-15 million individually, up to 10 million more via small group/business).

Whatever did people do before I paid for their insurance?

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at March 22, 2017 09:05 PM (UYMK1)

401 >>I would like to see it killed dead so we can get on to the next order of business.

And there's the rub. We can't get to Tax Reform, which is what I want as much as Obamacare repeal, until this is done. Tax reform relies on passage of this bill.

Yes, I know, crazy rules of Congress. But true.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:05 PM (/tuJf)

402
If Trump had stuck his thumb up oRyans butt instead of giving him a thumbs up we wouldn't be stuck with RynoCare.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:00 PM (Vnlws)

We are not stuck yet and hopefully never will be.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:05 PM (FTXAT)

403
But it's a smoldering mess that leaves up to 25 million people in trouble (10-15 million individually, up to 10 million more via small group/business)

____

LOL. Yes because the CBO is never wrong.
I bet you also believe the real unemployment rate is 4.5%.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:05 PM (vsYKI)

404 Unfortunately filbert, baby steps will do us no good. The Dems take 6 or 7 giant leaps toward progressivism every time they are in power. Taking one baby step back from it does not even get us back to the point we were at the beginning of the Dem administration before we took power.

6 steps backward followed by one step backward gets us exactly where the Dems want us every time. Now is the time for hack saws and machetes NOT pruning shears.
Posted by: redbanzai

Exactly, End Withholding!

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 09:05 PM (zZb/S)

405 'I can't find the Parliamentarian dude anywhere. '

It's in the bill of rights under the right to funk.

Posted by: Parliamentarian Funkadarin at March 22, 2017 09:06 PM (BO/km)

406 That may be acceptable to you but it is not to me and a lot of other people.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:03 PM (FTXAT)

Damn red ... is my sarcasm that bad ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:06 PM (fiGNd)

407 Scogg,

Paul Mirnoff over at Powerline has been all over this.

My understanding is that it only takes a simple majority vote of the Senate to override the parliamentarian. There isn't even a chance to filibuster.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:06 PM (A4HOq)

408 Sad that so many "conservatives" here and elsewhere don't give a shit what's in the bill. They just want a win for Team "R".

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:06 PM (vsYKI)

409 neverskankles, I'm not questioning your skepticism on the GOP delivering phases 2 and 3.

And actually your allusion to Simpson-Mazzoli ('86 immigration act) UNDER-states your case.

That was actual legislation. The unenforced parts weren't political promises, they were/are LAW.

So the perfidy was even greater than the one you (and many) understandably fear.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:07 PM (QDnY+)

410 You chop the head off of the ACA - the world will not end, people will not die - there's money to be made - get the govt and the rent seekers out of the way and the big companies will step up and fill the void. Math

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:07 PM (Vnlws)

411 Hey, Parliamentarian!
Where are you going with that gavel in your hand?

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 09:07 PM (sdi6R)

412 Just deem the previously passed bill, passed and send it to Trump.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 08:59 PM
------------

Obviously the parliamentarian weighed in on those bills and found them A-OK, right? Right?? I mean the parliamentarian isn't just a transparent cat's-paw, is it?
Posted by: irright

I think she only get involved when requested, she gives tours to high school kids the rest of her time.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 09:07 PM (zZb/S)

413
See what you miss out on when you ignore my comments?

I told you Chuck Barris was dead Three Days Before he was dead!

127
Chuck Barris is mort?

I loved The Gong Show when I was a kid.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 18, 2017 06:18 PM

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:08 PM (h/vLr)

414 Unfortunately filbert, baby steps will do us no good. The Dems take 6 or 7 giant leaps toward progressivism every time they are in power. Taking one baby step back from it does not even get us back to the point we were at the beginning of the Dem administration before we took power.

6 steps backward followed by one step backward gets us exactly where the Dems want us every time. Now is the time for hack saws and machetes NOT pruning shears.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:01 PM (FTXAT)

Which leaves us with that other alternative I mentioned, unless I'm missing something.

Because "voting for conservatives" and "voting for the human SMOD" seems to be ineffectual, so far.

Repeal and replace of the MSM is required as an alternative to my . . . alternative. I am at a loss as to how to effect that however.

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 09:08 PM (s5o+q)

415 Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 08:51 PM (/tuJf)

I think people are invested in the legislative method is because by
repealing it, it cannot languish about until the GOPe led congress is
under less scrutiny or the Democrats (BIRM) take charge and re-fund it
back into operation.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 08:56 PM (VRsLi)

This too... the regulations need to be killed dead by Congress or they can easily be brought back by some future administration.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:08 PM (FTXAT)

416 Puny Earthman. Heed my word!

Posted by: Parliamentarian of Prevnar 13 at March 22, 2017 09:08 PM (IqV8l)

417 And there's the rub. We can't get to Tax Reform, which is what I want as much as Obamacare repeal, until this is done. Tax reform relies on passage of this bill.

Yes, I know, crazy rules of Congress. But true.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:05 PM (/tuJf)

____

Another Ryan lie.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:09 PM (vsYKI)

418
Did anyone watch that heart-wrenching video I linked earlier with the crying dog being shown affection for the first time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aFfz-2jEY

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:09 PM (h/vLr)

419
That may be acceptable to you but it is not to me and a lot of other people.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:03 PM (FTXAT)

Damn red ... is my sarcasm that bad ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:06 PM (fiGNd)

LOL... apparently. Or my day has just fried both my brain and my irony meter. Lets go with that:-P

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:10 PM (FTXAT)

420 --
Obviously the parliamentarian weighed in on those
bills and found them A-OK, right? Right?? I mean the parliamentarian
isn't just a transparent cat's-paw, is it?

Posted by: irright

I think she only get involved when requested, she gives tours to high school kids the rest of her time.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2017 09:07 PM
----------

So the position IS a transparent cat's-paw, you're saying?

Posted by: irright at March 22, 2017 09:10 PM (vqzjE)

421 Mark Meadows is saying that Trump is working a deal and I believe Trump will work with him because Meadows supported him greatly in NC and is a big reason why Trump won there.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:11 PM (A4HOq)

422 Paul Mirnoff over at Powerline has been all over this.

Hell ... I've been all over Paul Ryan saying this shit could be repealed in 2016. You know ... after they made Obama veto something eight pages long they all called repeal. But what the fuck do I know ?

My sarcasm is weak - and my prose is poor. Apparently the entire board is dumber for my efforts. I earn no points, and God have mercy on my soul.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:12 PM (fiGNd)

423 >>Another Ryan lie.

No, a fact. A fact which Trump has mentioned numerous times.

If you care to read up on the legislative process this is a pretty good overview. Please note the part by the Trump transition member as to the timing.

http://tinyurl.com/kx8lnzl

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:12 PM (/tuJf)

424 Did anyone watch that heart-wrenching video I linked earlier with the crying dog being shown affection for the first time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aFfz-2jEY
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:09 PM (h/vLr)

I was okay until the video of "Pakistani boy can pop out his eyeballs" popped up.

It was like WTF Youtube Dude? What has that got to do with the dog?

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 09:12 PM (s5o+q)

425 Did anyone watch that heart-wrenching video I linked earlier with the crying dog being shown affection for the first time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aFfz-2jEY

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:09 PM (h/vLr)

That video made me both sad and very willing to beat whoever made that poor puppy afraid of even being touched.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:13 PM (FTXAT)

426 The Obamacare repeal needs to be done first simply because the maximum amount of time needs to be given to the markets to adjust.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:13 PM (A4HOq)

427
I was okay until the video of "Pakistani boy can pop out his eyeballs" popped up.

He's trying out for the remake of Young Frankenstein.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 09:13 PM (IqV8l)

428
I was okay until the video of "Pakistani boy can pop out his eyeballs" popped up.

Yeah, it ruined the video!

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:13 PM (h/vLr)

429 Another Ryan lie.

No, a fact. A fact which Trump has mentioned numerous times.

If you care to read up on the legislative process this is a pretty
good overview. Please note the part by the Trump transition member as to
the timing.

http://tinyurl.com/kx8lnzl

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:12 PM (/tuJf)

Congress has the right to take up issues in any order they want.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:14 PM (FTXAT)

430 As mentioned up above in the thread, rulings of the chair (parliamentarians) are subject to appeal, and a vote of the Senate. That is, they can be over-ruled (without that vote, in itself, changing the Rules of the Senate, paradoxically).

The parliamentarian generally plays it straight, and, most of the time, the Senate abides by their guidance. It's a way of enforcing order and giving members a rule book they can plan around. And note: most parliamentary rules go to pure procedure, not substance (the stuff about whether parts of reconciliation bill are germane is actually substance, policy, not just parliamentary procedure).

Things have changed, I'm guessing the Senate is less respectful of its own patterns, traditions, and rules than it was even a short while ago (thanks, Reid and the insane freaks of the Dem party). But back when I was there, there was generally an effort to stay within the lines.

Recall a riveting (really) drama where Robert Byrd was disputing the parliamentarian's ruling (this sort of thing was rare, and all hands on that side of the Hill stopped what they were doing and watched). In the end, the issue turned on whether a particular footnote in the Senate Rules was in italic, or roman, font. Byrd won, based on whichever it was. It was an amazing spectacle.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:14 PM (QDnY+)

431 I get ya Scogg.

I think the current stuff is BS.

And the entire Congressional Republican leadership are BS artists.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:16 PM (A4HOq)

432 My sarcasm is weak - and my prose is poor. Apparently the entire board is dumber for my efforts. I earn no points, and God have mercy on my soul.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:12 PM (fiGNd)

===

30 points for a beautiful self-denunciation.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 22, 2017 09:16 PM (EZebt)

433 See what you miss out on when you ignore my comments?

I told you Chuck Barris was dead Three Days Before he was dead!

127
Chuck Barris is mort?

I loved The Gong Show when I was a kid.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 18, 2017 06:18 PM

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX

So in other words you knew it was going to happen? Why didn't you contact the FBI?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 22, 2017 09:16 PM (vRcUp)

434 Mark Meadows is saying that Trump is working a deal
and I believe Trump will work with him because Meadows supported him
greatly in NC and is a big reason why Trump won there.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:11 PM (A4HOq)

Mark Meadows needs to stand firm on no... after Ryancare is defeated, they can go back to the drawing board and start fresh.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:16 PM (FTXAT)

435
So in other words you knew it was going to happen? Why didn't you contact the FBI?

'cuz I'm no snitch.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:17 PM (h/vLr)

436 >> So, reconciliation -- where you only need 51 votes for passage, and where a filibuster is not allowed -- is usually only allowed for budgetary measures.

No shit, Sherlock. Carl Roves pointed out that this is the best way to proceed for the first strike against ObamaCare, for this precise reason!

He said that weeks ago, not that anyone else was listening.

MSM: Look- squirrel! Russian squirrels-!!!#!

Posted by: Kikkoman at March 22, 2017 09:17 PM (cJDvr)

437 *places lump of coal in thread*

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 22, 2017 09:17 PM (8SG/h)

438 If you care to read up on the legislative process this is a pretty good overview. Please note the part by the Trump transition member as to the timing.

http://tinyurl.com/kx8lnzl
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:12 PM (/tuJf)

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So taxes will never be lowered unless OCare is repealed?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:17 PM (vsYKI)

439 418
Did anyone watch that heart-wrenching video I linked earlier with the crying dog being shown affection for the first time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aFfz-2jEY
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:09 PM (h/vLr)

I just watched it.

I've heard a dog make noises like that. He wasn't abused so much as neglected. He was just desperately lonely.

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 09:18 PM (sdi6R)

440 425 Did anyone watch that heart-wrenching video I linked earlier with the crying dog being shown affection for the first time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aFfz-2jEY

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:09 PM (h/vLr)

That video made me both sad and very willing to beat whoever made that poor puppy afraid of even being touched.

Word. I'm glad it had a happy ending, but people who abuse dogs like that belong in the special hell.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 22, 2017 09:18 PM (0mRoj)

441
'So in other words you knew it was going to happen? Why didn't you contact the FBI?'

We took care of that.

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at March 22, 2017 09:18 PM (BO/km)

442 Avec plaisir. There's me, NGU and that anti-semite bastard CBD.
Behind the lines.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 08:59

Huh, too much Frenchy, no understand.

Interesting you're all/mostly are Jooos. I did a DNA test and found out I was a small part Jewish. Suspected that from one of the family names back in Germany.

It just made my take on the Holocaust a little different. Don't know if I can explain it w/out pisseing people off, but it's a different take when you think your distant cousins were amongst those being exterminated.

Someone mentioned Nazi Death Squads on AHHC. If you really want to see some sickess watch that. Or not, because you already know they were sick MFers.

Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 09:19 PM (o/90i)

443 435
So in other words you knew it was going to happen? Why didn't you contact the FBI?

'cuz I'm no snitch.
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:17 PM (h/vLr)

Snitches get stitches, bitches!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 22, 2017 09:19 PM (0mRoj)

444 Spinner dolphins are cool.

(Watching Nat Geo Wild . . . like, the "animal channel" that still, you know, has programs about *animals*?)

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 09:20 PM (s5o+q)

445 So taxes will never be lowered unless OCare is repealed?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:17 PM (vsYKI)

I wonder if Jackstraw is in the market for a bridge? London or Brooklyn... I hear both are available for sale.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:20 PM (FTXAT)

446 *reaches into thread and pulls out a diamond*

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 22, 2017 09:20 PM (8SG/h)

447 Diversity is our strength.

Posted by: Muslim Fucktard London Mayor at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (GsAUU)

448 of all the people in DC right now, only Trump has consistently delivered. If he wants the bill passed then I think it should be passed.

But no, everyone has to nit nit nit pick.

No wonder we can't have nice things.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (Om16U)

449 I wonder if Jackstraw is in the market for a bridge? London or Brooklyn... I hear both are available for sale.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:20 PM (FTXAT)

___

I have cheap oceanfront condos in Iowa for sale too.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (vsYKI)

450 442 Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 09:19 PM (o/90i)

You may, or may not know that my mother and her family were victims and somehow all managed to survive death camps, death marches, forced labor and all the rest intact.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (mbhDw)

451 of all the people in DC right now, only Trump has
consistently delivered. If he wants the bill passed then I think it
should be passed.

But no, everyone has to nit nit nit pick.

No wonder we can't have nice things.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (Om16U)

Trump not withstanding... no.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (FTXAT)

452

And that's why I want to travel the country in a RV doling out beatings and helping people. And animals, too, I guess.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:22 PM (h/vLr)

453 Mark Meadows needs to stand firm on no... after Ryancare is defeated, they can go back to the drawing board and start fresh.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:16 PM (FTXAT)

--------------

Mark is still a no, but who knows overnight. He is real consistent that the new law will have to lower costs.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:22 PM (A4HOq)

454 I've heard a dog make noises like that. He wasn't abused so much as neglected. He was just desperately lonely.
Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 09:18 PM (sdi6R)

I had the thought while watching it "yeah, tell me again that animals don't have souls."

The difference between us and "lesser animals" is one merely of degree, not of kind, I think.

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 09:22 PM (s5o+q)

455 Actually redbanzai, if JackStraw is referring to the Budget Act (and I think he is), then in fact they do have to do it in a certain order. Boring to explain, but true.

And unlike most things, where Congress can change its own rules, this one has some internal mechanics that complicate that. It would be like doing an econometric forecast without having some of your variables in hand.

And for the record, tax "reform" can bite me - until the insurance "markets" have been returned, at a minimum, to status quo ante.

Speaking of which, I have marvelled, for months, at people saying the insurers would need lots of time to get back to pre-O-care operations. ????? These companies were writing policies for their entire corporate existence, nothing has changed about actual (well, close to it) insurance as written before Jan. 1, 2015.

It's only a tiny distortion to ask if distillers required months or years to get back to making booze once Prohibition was repealed. Of course not. And insurers haven't forgotten how to insure.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:23 PM (QDnY+)

456 >>Congress has the right to take up issues in any order they want.

Of course they do. I don't know why you feel compelled to keep stating the obvious. And so does every 3rd world banana republic in the world. In fact, that is one of their defining characteristics.

Why are you so eager to emulate the way liberals ran things? Do you want to be just like them cause I sure as fuck don't. And even if they did, where are you going to get the replacement votes for the 4 Republican Senators who say they won't vote for a straight replacement? The Democrats? Good luck with that.

There's a reason the Freedom Caucus guys are making a deal on this. Because after extracting their pound of flesh they know, like everyone else knows, this is the best way to get things done right now. Not the way you want or I want but the possible way.

So take the win, make sure they follow through on the follow on steps and move on to the next thing and stop pretending there is some magical legislative way. There isn't.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:23 PM (/tuJf)

457 I wonder if Jackstraw is in the market for a bridge? London or Brooklyn... I hear both are available for sale.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:20 PM (FTXAT)

=======

Did you read the article he linked? It is a very good explanation of the process.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 09:23 PM (vpUCt)

458
Did anyone watch that heart-wrenching video I linked earlier with the crying dog being shown affection for the first time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aFfz-2jEY

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:09 PM (h/vLr)

That video made me both sad and very willing to beat whoever made that poor puppy afraid of even being touched.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:13 PM (FTXAT)

Absolutely heartbreaking. At least the pup ended up being adopted into a loving home. This video, and Captain Whitebread talking about seeing some evil bastard tossing kittens from his car into oncoming traffic yesterday has convinced me there are some people who fall into the "need killin'" law.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2017 09:23 PM (PY9jH)

459 But no, everyone has to nit nit nit pick.

No wonder we can't have nice things.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (Om16U)

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NIT PICK? Come on. The bill is a shit sandwich. I get that in politics you can't get everything. But for crying out loud on a 0-100 scale I'm getting about a 12 with RynoCare.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:23 PM (vsYKI)

460 I was trying to joing Eye-SIS.

Posted by: blind Pakistani boy at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (vRcUp)

461
Did you read the article he linked? It is a very good explanation of the process.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 09:23 PM (vpUCt)

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OK so say OCare never gets repealed. Does that mean from now until the end of time, tax reform cannot be done? Cuz that is what you're suggesting.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (vsYKI)

462 No offense redbanzai, but you've been wrong about Trump consistently.

If Cruz were POTUS you'd have a case.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (Om16U)

463 like Nascar, there might be fatalities

I have no desire to see fatal vehicle wrecks - Congress, not so much.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (FhXTo)

464
But the so-called freedom caucus is a bunch of turds.

They take "stands" but they not pro-active at all.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:26 PM (h/vLr)

465 Do you want to be just like them cause I sure as fuck don't.

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Liberals got what they wanted, govt run health care and higher taxes. So yes I want to be like them. I WANT FUCKING RESULTS.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:26 PM (vsYKI)

466 OK so say OCare never gets repealed. Does that mean from now until the end of time, tax reform cannot be done? Cuz that is what you're suggesting.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (vsYKI)

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I suggested reading an article, nothing more. So, did you?

Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 09:27 PM (vpUCt)

467 464
But the so-called freedom caucus is a bunch of turds.

They take "stands" but they not pro-active at all.
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:26 PM (h/vLr)

That's like blaming Ace and Andrew Breitbart (pbuh) for the state of the MFM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 09:27 PM (mbhDw)

468 Recall a riveting (really) drama where Robert Byrd was disputing the parliamentarian's ruling (this sort of thing was rare, and all hands on that side of the Hill stopped what they were doing and watched). In the end, the issue turned on whether a particular footnote in the Senate Rules was in italic, or roman, font. Byrd won, based on whichever it was. It was an amazing spectacle.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:14

Thanks for sharing that, sounds cool. Sounds silly, but look at the argument today about PDT's tweet the he was "wiretapped". The parentheses get involved in the issue.

Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 09:27 PM (o/90i)

469 Jackstraw,

Those 4 Senate votes are on differing issues. Paul and Lee, it's Obamacarelite, Murkowski and Collins not enough like Obamacare.

They can afford to lose two votes.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:27 PM (A4HOq)

470 So take the win,
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:23 PM (/tuJf)

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It's what it all comes down to. A win for Team "R". Never mind that 95% of Obamacare stays as is. Your team won!!!!

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:28 PM (vsYKI)

471 Mark is still a no, but who knows overnight. He is real consistent that the new law will have to lower costs.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:22 PM (A4HOq)

Ryancare, like its proud papa Obamacare, does nothing to address costs. It is all about insurance coverage and not at all about either actual healthcare or costs of healthcare. The main thing that the government can do to see healthcare costs drop is to get the hell out of the marketplace.

If you look at the portions of the healthcare market that are NOT normally covered by insurance and are not part of government provided health insurance benefits (like vision corrective surgery), the costs of services and new innovations drop incredibly quickly to maximize profits. This indicates to me that government interference in healthcare markets, like government interference in the market for college education, is the main cost driver.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:29 PM (FTXAT)

472 I heard Lester Holt tonight blaring about how many people were gonna lose their insurance because of Donald Drumpf.

I about did an Elvis with the tv because of course not a fucking word about how many people lost their goddamn insurance because of Oshitcare.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 22, 2017 09:29 PM (4ErVI)

473
Where's the freedom caucuses health care bill?

Where's the freedom caucuses tax reform bill?

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:29 PM (h/vLr)

474
Where's the freedom caucuses budget?

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 22, 2017 09:29 PM (h/vLr)

475 In the end, the issue turned on whether a particular footnote in the Senate Rules was in italic, or roman, font. Byrd won, based on whichever it was. It was an amazing spectacle.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:14

I thought the Romans were italican.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2017 09:29 PM (vRcUp)

476 466 OK so say OCare never gets repealed. Does that mean from now until the end of time, tax reform cannot be done? Cuz that is what you're suggesting.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (vsYKI)

======

I suggested reading an article, nothing more. So, did you?
Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 09:27 PM (vpUCt)

____

I asked you a question. Your premise is that without a health care bill tax reform can't happen. So I ask you, if a health care bill never passes, does that mean tax reform can also never happen? Simple question.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:30 PM (vsYKI)

477 Re: insurance company taking it in the shorts if there were a full and immediate repeal... they sure as hell participated in writing 'Bamacare so I got no sympathy.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 09:30 PM (VRsLi)

478
No offense redbanzai, but you've been wrong about Trump consistently.

If Cruz were POTUS you'd have a case.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (Om16U)

Offense taken... I would not be supporting this even if Cruz did.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:30 PM (FTXAT)

479 where's walter freeman when you need him?

Posted by: concrete girl at March 22, 2017 09:30 PM (hyCJn)

480 The Dems take 6 or 7 giant leaps toward progressivism every time they are in power.

A 6-3 court leaves them holding the ratchet handle 100% of the time with no little clicker relief.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2017 09:31 PM (FhXTo)

481 of all the people in DC right now, only Trump has consistently delivered. If he wants the bill passed then I think it should be passed.

But no, everyone has to nit nit nit pick.

No wonder we can't have nice things.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (Om16U)
**********************

Just because Trump wants something does not mean he should get it. He was elected to drain the swamp. The ACA / RynoCare / ObamaCare is the swamp and it is a perpetuation of the swamp and its people.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:31 PM (Vnlws)

482 of all the people in DC right now, only Trump has consistently delivered. If he wants the bill passed then I think it should be passed.

Trump is wrong on this. Very, very very wrong. It happens.

But no, everyone has to nit nit nit pick.

No wonder we can't have nice things.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 22, 2017 09:21 PM (Om16U)

BarkyCare is the greatest offense to America that has ever gone through Congress. The SCOTUS decision on the mandate was the worst in SCOTUS history (and that's no mean feat). Nibbling at this humungous piece of shit around the edges while leaving the body still in law is not acceptable. Period.

I supported Trump from the very beginning and I have defended him on countless occasions, but he is dead wrong on this. He doesn't get any sort of free play to leave BarkyCare in and certainly none of the GOP do.

I've had enough of these lowlifes playing games. BarkyCare goes or those who refuse to get rid of it go.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (zc3Db)

483 Why are you so eager to emulate the way liberals ran things? Do you want to be just like them cause I sure as fuck don't. And even if they did, where are you going to get the replacement votes for the 4 Republican Senators who say they won't vote for a straight replacement? The Democrats? Good luck with that.

Jack ... I promised you ... when you went down this road ... I'd always remind you of this ...

"This is the closest that we have come to repealing Obamacare. And now we are sending that repeal to the president's desk. And we have now shown that with a Republican president, there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the United States Senate. We are confronting the president with the hard, honest truth. Obamacare does not work. It has to go."

Is this quote a lie ? Was Ryan lying ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (fiGNd)

484 Can't they just 'deem' O-care gone? It worked once.....

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (C+R83)

485 Re: insurance company taking it in the shorts if
there were a full and immediate repeal... they sure as hell participated
in writing 'Bamacare so I got no sympathy.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 09:30 PM (VRsLi)

Them taking it in the shorts is actually a feature not a bug. If they lose their shirts for a while maybe next time they will think twice before getting in bed with the government in ways that harm their businesses.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (FTXAT)

486 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (zc3Db)

Word

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 09:33 PM (VRsLi)

487 If you look at the portions of the healthcare market that are NOT normally covered by insurance and are not part of government provided health insurance benefits (like vision corrective surgery), the costs of services and new innovations drop incredibly quickly to maximize profits. This indicates to me that government interference in healthcare markets, like government interference in the market for college education, is the main cost driver.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:29 PM (FTXAT)

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I agree 100%

Good luck scrapping those 10 votes together.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:34 PM (A4HOq)

488 McC appoints the Parliamentarian. This IS possible.

Posted by: Sam at March 22, 2017 09:34 PM (pvwwD)

489 I've had enough of these lowlifes playing games. BarkyCare goes or those who refuse to get rid of it go.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (zc3Db)
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From you lips ...

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (Vnlws)

490 OK so say OCare never gets repealed. Does that mean from now until the end of time, tax reform cannot be done? Cuz that is what you're suggesting.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (vsYKI)

======

I answered your question, stating that I said nothing of the kind. I then asked you a question, namely, did you even bother reading the article?

You sound like Faruca, "I want repeal and I want it now!"

Things do not work the way you would like them to. Such is life.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (vpUCt)

491 redbanzai, absolutely (on govt. increasing health care costs, or more generally distorting markets).

Look at the "cost curves" for generally non-insured medical procedures ...... flat-ish, for the most part. And this, even with the astonishing technical advances we all now take for granted.

Here's the thing - before we can get to eliminating govt. distortion of medical markets, and preventing price discovery, etc., we should really just un-do the massive (separate) blow to millions of people that O-care represents.

If 120 million people were facing what 10-15 million people in the individual insurance market have faced the past 3 years, you can bet that things would have been fixed, pronto (they still might, if not so pronto). Instead, those less catastrophically affected by O-care focus on Medicaid expansion, or the fundamental problem of govt.-induced market distortion in medicine, or .... tax reform.

O-care remains mostly an abstract outrage to most (rightly an outrage, but still mostly abstract). Not so to a lot of us.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (QDnY+)

492 Them taking it in the shorts is actually a feature not a bug. If they lose their shirts for a while maybe next time they will think twice before getting in bed with the government in ways that harm their businesses.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (FTXAT)

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Yeah but if all the ins. companies go under, what do you think happens next? Yep you got it....govt run insurance. Which was the plan by Dems all along with O-Care.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (vsYKI)

493 "This is no time for half measures."

-- Mike Ehrmantraut

Posted by: ShainS at March 22, 2017 09:36 PM (mt8X9)

494 490 OK so say OCare never gets repealed. Does that mean from now until the end of time, tax reform cannot be done? Cuz that is what you're suggesting.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:25 PM (vsYKI)

======

I answered your question, stating that I said nothing of the kind. I then asked you a question, namely, did you even bother reading the article?

You sound like Faruca, "I want repeal and I want it now!"

Things do not work the way you would like them to. Such is life.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (vpUCt)

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You're saying tax reform can't happen until a health care bill is passed. Then logically, if a health care bill is never passed, htax reform can never happen. You can't have both.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:36 PM (vsYKI)

495 Am too tired to care. 9 1/2 hours at Wally World followed by a the 40 minute commute turning into a 90 minute snail speed travail due to construction.

Just nuke from orbit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (/ONEL)

496 I don't know why the bill is crappy.

I do know that Trump is staking a lot of his mandate on it.

I want to ask - if the bill fails, what do you think happens to Trump politically?

Who benefits?

Fucking Deep State Clintonites, that's who.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (Om16U)

497 Parliamentarian of Prevnar 13

I just got a flashback cough.

Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (FhXTo)

498 Remember in 2013 when Obama raised income taxes? Did he have 60 Dem senators? No. Did he have a Dem house? No.

Yet miraculously he got his tax increase.

But somehow in order to decrease taxes, Republicans need 125 senate seats and 800 house seats.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (vsYKI)

499 Yeah but if all the ins. companies go under, what do you think happens next? Yep you got it....govt run insurance. Which was the plan by Dems all along with O-Care.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (vsYKI)

You have a point, there.

-Ford Motor Company

Posted by: tbodie at March 22, 2017 09:38 PM (iUBwE)

500 sorry Anna

Posted by: concrete girl at March 22, 2017 09:38 PM (hyCJn)

501 If this blows up, its on asshat Ryan.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:39 PM (A4HOq)

502 Can't they just 'deem' O-care gone? It worked once.....

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 22, 2017 09:32 PM (C+R83)
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It's all theater - the parliamentarian - the reconciliation - the we need 50 / we need 60 - it's all a jackup whipsaw, we did the best we could (give up already), look at this jewel of a bill.

Posted by: Kabuki Joe at March 22, 2017 09:39 PM (Vnlws)

503 Disappearing Jay Guevera post

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 22, 2017 09:39 PM (IqV8l)

504 496 I don't know why the bill is crappy.

I do know that Trump is staking a lot of his mandate on it.

I want to ask - if the bill fails, what do you think happens to Trump politically?

Who benefits?

Fucking Deep State Clintonites, that's who.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (Om16U)

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And if the bill passes and Obamacare stays unchanged, who benefits? HInt: not you or me

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:39 PM (vsYKI)

505 They should try stuffing the bill inside a distended purple papier-mache vagina. Everything works better inside a big vagina. Even a compass

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 22, 2017 09:39 PM (6FqZa)

506 Yeah but if all the ins. companies go under, what do
you think happens next? Yep you got it....govt run insurance. Which was
the plan by Dems all along with O-Care.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (vsYKI)

They are not going to go out of business but it would not hurt my feelings at all if they suffered pain for their actions.

And if these particular insurance companies DID go out of business, it is not a market where there are large natural barriers to entry. Other companies will enter the market seeking profits.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:40 PM (FTXAT)

507 If it's a loss either way, I pick the loss where my enemies also lose.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:40 PM (Om16U)

508 Also McConnell, for all I can tell, decided to punt on the whole issue.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:40 PM (A4HOq)

509 I want to ask - if the bill fails, what do you think happens to Trump politically?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (Om16U)

Nothing.

What do you think Trump will turn into a pumpkin if this shitty bill doesn't pass? No, they'll start working on another bill - hopefully just a full repeal and Trump will go back to doing whatever he needs to be doing.

How is Trump going to be hurt if this bill fails? The Vichy GOP hate his guts already. Are they going to hate him more? No. Life will go on and Trump will still be President.

This bill is a total piece of shit. Trump likes it but he'll have to learn to live without it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2017 09:40 PM (zc3Db)

510 --
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But somehow in order to decrease taxes, Republicans need 125 senate seats and 800 house seats.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM
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You must be old. This is New-Math with Common-Core Al-Gore-rythms. Get with the times, dude.

Posted by: irright at March 22, 2017 09:41 PM (vqzjE)

511 I'm starting to get the feeling that what's good for the GOP might not be so good for me.

Your mileage may vary. My conservative credentials are suspect.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:41 PM (fiGNd)

512 No, they'll start working on another bill - hopefully just a full repeal and Trump will go back to doing whatever he needs to be doing.

--

I hope you're right.

I guess I'm all out of optimism.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:42 PM (Om16U)

513 Other companies will enter the market seeking profits.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:40 PM (FTXAT)

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Explain to me how you make a profit when a person can buy a policy AFTER they get sick, and without the mandate forcing younger/healthier people to buy as well.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:42 PM (vsYKI)

514 I want to ask - if the bill fails, what do you think happens to Trump politically?

Who benefits?

Fucking Deep State Clintonites, that's who.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (Om16U)

I don't care what happens to his or anyone's political power... any politician is only useful if they are doing what we elected them to do. We elected them to repeal Obamacare. That is what they need to do.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:42 PM (FTXAT)

515 You're saying tax reform can't happen until a health care bill is passed. Then logically, if a health care bill is never passed, htax reform can never happen. You can't have both.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:36 PM (vsYKI)

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*Draws hand down face slowly*

No, for one final time I am referring you to a fcuking an article that explains how the process works. This is their opinions and statements, not mine. You won't even answer me when I ask whether you read it or not.

I have typed this very slowly, for your benefit. I can explain to you, but I can not comprehend for you.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 22, 2017 09:42 PM (vpUCt)

516 Giving the maximum amount of time for insurance companies to adjust benefits the consumer.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (A4HOq)

517 454 I've heard a dog make noises like that. He wasn't abused so much as neglected. He was just desperately lonely.
Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 09:18 PM (sdi6R)

I had the thought while watching it "yeah, tell me again that animals don't have souls."

The difference between us and "lesser animals" is one merely of degree, not of kind, I think.
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 09:22 PM (s5o+q)

When I lived in an apartment my downstairs neighbor had a Jack Russell terrier. She was away from home much of the time, so she kept him chained in the yard. He barked constantly, to the point where the neighbors complained.

So she tried keeping him indoors in a crate. I lived upstairs, and was treated to a variety of barks, howls, whines, and screams. The poor thing sounded like he was being tortured. He was like an innocent man sentenced to solitary confinement and didn't know what he had done to deserve it.

I finally took her aside and explained what was going on. She said she gave him to a friend who lived on a farm. We were in a semi-rural area so she could have been telling me the truth, or maybe she just had him put down. I'll never know. But given her irresponsibility with other pets, I wouldn't bet against the latter.

***

Later on she adopted a kitten who eventually had a litter in my bedroom closet. I watched the mama cat and her three kittens grow up, and was amazed to see that all four of them had completely unique and distinct individual personalities. They were all related and grew up together, yet were as different from each other as night and day. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

Damn right they have souls. All of them.

Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (sdi6R)

518 What I see happening, if the bill fails, the Never Trumper Egg McMuffinites start peeling off supporters.

Big GOP losses in 2018.

Demshits start impeachment.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (Om16U)

519 "If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

-- John Wooden

Posted by: ShainS at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (mt8X9)

520 We are surrounded by heaps of dead horses still being beaten, but neverskankles, it's not a question of somehow O-care having to be repealed before *any* tax reform can take place, ever.

It's a question of *this* cycle. Under the Budget Act, without the fiscal impact of the O-care partial repeal on the books, there is no basis to do the further stuff re tax reform. It's not some inherent connection, it's Budget Act mechanics. Could be any govt. program with a revenue/expenditure impact, and tax reform.

Unfortunately we're just going to have to wait even *more* months to see whether the GOP will fail. If they do - this time, on this one-sided political issue - then I can't imagine what 2018 will be like.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (QDnY+)

521 yo

Posted by: Sam at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (pvwwD)

522 Am too tired to care. 9 1/2 hours at Wally World followed by a the 40 minute commute turning into a 90 minute snail speed travail due to construction.

Just nuke from orbit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (/ONEL)
*********************

Hey there, from a couple of months ago, did you get what you wanted from them?

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:44 PM (Vnlws)

523 Posted by: rickl at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (sdi6R)

Poor terrier.

They need to run and dig. I hope he did get to a farm.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:44 PM (Om16U)

524
Explain to me how you make a profit when a
person can buy a policy AFTER they get sick, and without the mandate
forcing younger/healthier people to buy as well.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:42 PM (vsYKI)

By offering policies that are actually insurance and not full of government mandates that make them, in effect, pre-paid health care.

Any deal voluntarily entered into by both parts is going to be beneficial to both parties.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:45 PM (FTXAT)

525 Let's post pone this. We can die AFTER we get a Supreme Court justice.

Posted by: Sam at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (pvwwD)

526 I don't care about Trump's political career per se.
I care about keeping him in as shield between me and the globalists.
It's a miracle he's there at all.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (Om16U)

527 I don't know why the bill is crappy.

I do know that Trump is staking a lot of his mandate on it.

I want to ask - if the bill fails, what do you think happens to Trump politically?

Who benefits?
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The same people who benefit if Ryancare passes, moving all culpability for soaring health care costs to the GOP.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (3Liv/)

528 I still maintain that Ryan is being set up to fail. He'll be seen as a failure and the Freedom Caucus will be a force to be reckoned with. Luap Nor the Lesser will be used and a counterbalance to Mitch the Chinless Bitch.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (VRsLi)

529 Votermom: take a look at the 2018 senate map. There is virtually a 0% chance of Dems winning the senate.

Republicans up for election are in the following states: Texas, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Alabama, Missississippi, Tennessee and Nevada.

They'd have to lose 3 out of those 8 in order to lose the senate.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (vsYKI)

530 Demshits start impeachment.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (Om16U)

*types*
*deletes*

*types*
*deletes*

(Don't wanna get banned.)

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 09:48 PM (s5o+q)

531 1945: GOP Negotiators Face Off With Their Japanese Counterparts

After a brief moment of silence for McCain who crashed his plane on the way to the conference, the GOP negotiators huddle and discuss their options in hushed tones.

E. Munster: Let's face it, the Japs have created the reality on the ground and we just can't roll back all of their gains.

McConeHead: Yeah, Iwo Jima and Okinawa are going to be tough. And then the Home Islands, geesh. This might take months and I really want don't want to work anymore 4 hour days.

GOP Member with Brain (soon to be primaried): We told people we would achieve unconditional surrender.

E. Munster: Hush you imbecile. We can't achieve that. I say we call it a stalemate. They keep what they have including their mainland territory. Sure tens of thousands are dying, but hey they're peons.

McConeHead: I have a better idea, we'll start by calling it quits and giving back the Philippines.

E. Munster: Even better is we give them Guadalcanal as well as a token of good will.

GOP Brain Member: Why are we negotiating with ourselves?

McConeHead: You fool, what do you know about winning? Next you'll be saying we could use the nuclear option.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 22, 2017 09:48 PM (J70i0)

532 Actually I do understand why the bill is crappy. It;s because Ryan is a POS.

Show me a way that with the bill failing he also suffers then I might be for it.
But the little shit has made it so that it's all on Trump.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:49 PM (Om16U)

533 It's a question of *this* cycle. Under the Budget Act, without the fiscal impact of the O-care partial repeal on the books, there is no basis to do the further stuff re tax reform.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (QDnY+)

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Interesting. Rush claimed a couple days ago that they needed this passed first to "free up revenue" to offset the "revenue losses" that would occur owing to the tax cuts.

I was screaming at the radio "BUT THE TAX CUTS WILL INCREASE REVENUES ON THEIR OWN!"

Posted by: ShainS at March 22, 2017 09:49 PM (mt8X9)

534 525 Let's post pone this. We can die AFTER we get a Supreme Court justice.

Why ?

Is that court going to save you ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:50 PM (fiGNd)

535 By offering policies that are actually insurance and not full of government mandates that make them, in effect, pre-paid health care.

Any deal voluntarily entered into by both parts is going to be beneficial to both parties.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:45 PM (FTXAT)
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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!! That's the whole point. RyanCare doesn't allow actual insurance products. It keeps all the Obamacare regulations as is. In other words just like now, a 55 year old man will have maternity coverage under Ryancare.

FUCK!

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:50 PM (vsYKI)

536 >>Is this quote a lie ? Was Ryan lying ?

And every time we go down this road I remind you that he made this statement after the House and the Senate passed a reconciliation bill, a very similar bill to what is being passed right now.

Are you incapable of understanding this? How can I be more clear? This is exactly what he was talking about and now we have a Republican President.

What part of this is still unclear?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:51 PM (/tuJf)

537 I still maintain that Ryan is being set up to fail. He'll be seen as a failure and the Freedom Caucus will be a force to be reckoned with. Luap Nor the Lesser will be used and a counterbalance to Mitch the Chinless Bitch.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (VRsLi)

Ryan can fail all on his own. He doesn't need help.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 22, 2017 09:51 PM (J70i0)

538 534
525 Let's post pone this. We can die AFTER we get a Supreme Court justice.

Why ?

Is that court going to save you ?
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Roberts will come.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 09:52 PM (3Liv/)

539 528 I still maintain that Ryan is being set up to fail.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (VRsLi)

That would be great.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:52 PM (Om16U)

540
redbanzai, absolutely (on govt. increasing health care costs, or more generally distorting markets).

Look at the "cost curves" for generally non-insured medical
procedures ...... flat-ish, for the most part. And this, even with the
astonishing technical advances we all now take for granted.

Here's the thing - before we can get to eliminating govt. distortion
of medical markets, and preventing price discovery, etc., we should
really just un-do the massive (separate) blow to millions of people that
O-care represents.

If 120 million people were facing what 10-15 million people in the
individual insurance market have faced the past 3 years, you can bet
that things would have been fixed, pronto (they still might, if not so
pronto). Instead, those less catastrophically affected by O-care focus
on Medicaid expansion, or the fundamental problem of govt.-induced
market distortion in medicine, or .... tax reform.

O-care remains mostly an abstract outrage to most (rightly an outrage, but still mostly abstract). Not so to a lot of us.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:35 PM (QDnY+)

Two things:

First, I really like Rand Paul's idea of allowing individuals and small businesses to band together in voluntary groups (either already in existence like the NRA and the Shriners or new groups formed in the future) that then would have the bargaining power that large businesses have now in negotiating insurance rates.

Second, most people's insurance costs problems could be solved by removing insurance mandates (which would once again allow individuals to get low cost, high deductible catastrophic care insurance) and allowing everyone the ability to dedicate their own money to an HSA that could go toward paying for their actual health care rather than on insurance.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:52 PM (FTXAT)

541 ShainS, I hold no brief for the way the Budget Act works, or even IF it works, but the mechanics are pretty simple and clear.

And more to your point, I doubt they use "dynamic" modeling when estimating the fiscal impact of tax cuts (the part where lower rates help allow more economic activity, whose tax revenues offset some/all of the losses through tax cuts). But I'm not sure.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:52 PM (QDnY+)

542 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 22, 2017 09:48 PM (J70i0)

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Beautiful ... and scary accurate.

Posted by: ShainS at March 22, 2017 09:52 PM (mt8X9)

543 What part of this is still unclear?
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If you call your plan "Repeal" and replace, then at some point you should actually repeal something, not just attach endless modifications.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 22, 2017 09:53 PM (3Liv/)

544 of all the people in DC right now, only Trump has
consistently delivered. If he wants the bill passed then I think it
should be passed.

But no, everyone has to nit nit nit pick.

No wonder we can't have nice things.

My nit pick is that it has no provision for Health share organizations. Meaning, I'm going to lose the only affordable quasi-insurance if this piece of crap passes.

I'd be better off under Obamacare.

So screw that.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 22, 2017 09:53 PM (bZ7mE)

545 Fucking Deep State Clintonites, that's who.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:37 PM (Om16U)
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Years ago Trump was for govt ins.
and
This bill is a deepstate bill, ObamaCare was written by deepstate, Paul Ryan is owned by deepstate. If this bill passes it will be a victory for deepstate.

This bill not passing is no skin off Trump. He'll shrug it off and go on to the next one. It would be a miniscule political loss for him. And with his base it would be A-OK.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 09:54 PM (Vnlws)

546
Demshits start impeachment.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:43 PM (Om16U)

*types*

*deletes*

*types*

*deletes*

(Don't wanna get banned.)

Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2017 09:48 PM (s5o+q)

They don't have any actual power to do this. They are engaging in the same political theater they engaged in during the first part of Bush 43's tenure.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:54 PM (FTXAT)

547 ONT is NOOD!

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2017 09:55 PM (6gk0M)

548 What part of this is still unclear?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 09:51 PM (/tuJf)

The part where you try to do the same shit we constantly bitch about Democrat Operatives doing ... trying to spin. You're trying to spin for your party. But here's what Paul Ryan said ...

"This is the closest that we have come to repealing Obamacare. And now we are sending that repeal to the president's desk. And we have now shown that with a Republican president, there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the United States Senate. We are confronting the president with the hard, honest truth. Obamacare does not work. It has to go."

They did it in 2016. They can do it now. If they want to. They don't. Nobody gives a shit about the "process". Kill it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:55 PM (fiGNd)

549 redbanzai, absof***inglutely to everything you just wrote.

As you and many other tortured souls understand, this is actually pretty simple.

Unleashing the power of actual market dynamics - and the power of real insurance, one of the great foundations of modern prosperity - would reduce costs/free up $$$/etc to such an extent that the whole landscape changes.

And note: even the mangled, certainly vastly inflated (due to cross-subsidies and welfare and mandates of various kinds - on the STATE level) individual insurance, pre-O-care, was STILL affordable for most people.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:57 PM (QDnY+)

550 I still maintain that Ryan is being set up to fail.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 22, 2017 09:46 PM (VRsLi)

That would be great.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 22, 2017 09:52 PM (Om16U)

If anyone is setting Ryan up, it is Ryan himself. When this fails, it will be on Ryan and co... NOT on the President and NOT on any Senators (feckless as they are too).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 09:57 PM (FTXAT)

551 You may, or may not know that my mother and her family were victims and somehow all managed to survive death camps, death marches, forced labor and all the rest intact.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2017 09:21

IDNKT. Sorry to here that they endured that, but it's great that they were able to survive. You come from sturdy stock!

Posted by: Farmer at March 22, 2017 09:59 PM (o/90i)

552 Hey Mr. "Deals Thats what I do" You better kiss Rand Pauls nuts...

Posted by: jackin It in San Diego at March 22, 2017 09:59 PM (U5Xeq)

553 What part of this is still unclear?

I dunno' Jack. 'Cause they passed it then.

HR 3762. Eight pages. Ryan called it repeal.

You ever get tired ? Fighting for the GOP ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:59 PM (fiGNd)

554 As you and many other tortured souls understand, this is actually pretty simple.

Unleashing the power of actual market dynamics - and the power of
real insurance, one of the great foundations of modern prosperity -
would reduce costs/free up $$$/etc to such an extent that the whole
landscape changes.

And note: even the mangled, certainly vastly inflated (due to
cross-subsidies and welfare and mandates of various kinds - on the STATE
level) individual insurance, pre-O-care, was STILL affordable for most
people.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:57 PM (QDnY+)

Exactly... just like paying for "the indigent" was cheaper when they weren't forced to get "insurance" (that we were also paying for).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 10:00 PM (FTXAT)

555
>>The part where you try to do the same shit we constantly bitch about Democrat Operatives doing ... trying to spin. You're trying to spin for your party. But here's what Paul Ryan said ...

I'm not trying to be insulting but I'm starting to doubt your reading comprehension ability.

1) Ryan and McConnell used reconciliation to pass a very similar bill last year saying that it proved that there is a clear path using this process to repealing Obamacare once there is a Republican President.

2) Trump, a Republican, wins the presidency.

3) Ryan and McConnell seek to use the same reconciliation to process to kill Obamacare and somehow now you think this is something new and some sort of witchcraft.

Sorry, if you can't follow this I really can't help you.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2017 10:01 PM (/tuJf)

556 redbanzai, absof***inglutely to everything you just wrote.

As you and many other tortured souls understand, this is actually pretty simple.

Unleashing the power of actual market dynamics - and the power of real insurance, one of the great foundations of modern prosperity - would reduce costs/free up $$$/etc to such an extent that the whole landscape changes.

And note: even the mangled, certainly vastly inflated (due to cross-subsidies and welfare and mandates of various kinds - on the STATE level) individual insurance, pre-O-care, was STILL affordable for most people.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2017 09:57 PM (QDnY+)
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Needy people will not be left out. We will take care of them. It is our culture.

Our culture will not let you die. If you're homeless, in the middle of a vacant lot, starving to death and have pneumonia we will pick you up, feed you, take you to a hospital and make you well - even if you don't want it.

Posted by: gNewt at March 22, 2017 10:03 PM (Vnlws)

557 Sorry, if you can't follow this I really can't help you.

Why are you arguing with me ? Argue with Paul Ryan ...

"This is the closest that we have come to repealing Obamacare. And now we are sending that repeal to the president's desk. And we have now shown that with a Republican president, there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the United States Senate. We are confronting the president with the hard, honest truth. Obamacare does not work. It has to go."

You need his number or something ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 10:04 PM (fiGNd)

558 The basic reason they are adding the replace with the repeal is because you get one reconciliation per fiscal year.

The next one starts on Oct 1, and that will almost certainly be needed for the tax reform.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 10:06 PM (A4HOq)

559 Jack ... honestly ...

... you should get in touch with Paul Ryan. I think you two would get along splendidly.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 10:08 PM (fiGNd)

560 Explain to me how you make a profit when a person can buy a policy AFTER they get sick, and without the mandate forcing younger/healthier people to buy as well.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 22, 2017 09:42 PM (vsYKI)

We go back to how it was before O-Care. You had to wait a year for pre-existing conditions if you haven't maintained continuous coverage.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 22, 2017 10:08 PM (J70i0)

561 Is that court going to save you ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2017 09:50 PM (fiGNd)

I am looking for them to save the country. I'll be OK if they do. Right now we are at a turning point. Without control of the SOTUS the court can rule anything unconstitutional, and RBG and Soyolmia would.

Posted by: Sam at March 22, 2017 10:14 PM (+iGZu)

562
The basic reason they are adding the replace with the repeal is because you get one reconciliation per fiscal year.

The next one starts on Oct 1, and that will almost certainly be needed for the tax reform.

Posted by: MAGA at March 22, 2017 10:06 PM (A4HOq)

Who says? I certainly don't remember that being in the Constitution.

If it is just in the rules of the Senate or the rules of the House (or both), it can be changed with a simple majority vote.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 22, 2017 10:15 PM (FTXAT)

563 558. Seems a bit more complicated

https://tinyurl.com/z9bjwth

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at March 22, 2017 10:15 PM (ptQdD)

564 In nearly 600 comments, I'm sure that somebody else has already made this point, but given that Obamacare was passed in full by reconciliation, how is it not repealable in full in the exact same way? Obama and the Democrats certainly didn't get to pass half of it by reconciliation and then have to find 60 votes for the rest of it.

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 10:35 PM (H7dia)

565 Hey Ace, ya think that it was actually Comey who breifed the Obama administration about Trump and his staff, including references to Flynn? And Comey then neglected to redact the names of U.S. citizens? Looking back in time, Comey decided to tell all, assuming Trump was political dead meat and there was no harm in telling all in order to keep his job after a public announcement regarding the Clinton investigation. Then Obama directed his surrogates to "Spread the news around"

Posted by: Excelsior 007 at March 22, 2017 11:16 PM (BpvWC)

566 The parliamentarian can be overruled from the chair. Bring in Pence. Overrule the parliamentarian. Refuse to recognize point of order objections by democrats. Repeal the whole thing with reconciliation.

The GOP doesn't want full repeal. That's the problem. Where there is a will, there is a way.

Posted by: Revenant at March 22, 2017 11:49 PM (ER4LC)

567 Obamacare contains a gazillion regulations, ergo it is perfectly possible to pass up to a gazillion regulations by reconciliation.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at March 23, 2017 12:15 AM (AphMS)

568 The Senate parliamentarian didn't sound very definitive. Perhaps that will work in the Senate. As for the House, the ACHA needs to pass on Thursday or Obamacare isn't going anywhere. Despite what some desperate obstructionist House members may be claiming, I believe strongly that it will. Anyway, we will soon see howmany House Republicans will vote with the Dems to keep Obamacare from being replaced.

Posted by: j. murrell at March 23, 2017 12:42 AM (kW8PA)

569 Hmmm. Mike Lee.

As I recall if he had his way, Hillary would be POTUS.

Posted by: Drider at March 23, 2017 06:42 AM (6Xbsz)

570 Do it and then let them do something about it.

Posted by: Danny at March 23, 2017 12:09 PM (b91ZC)

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