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Sunday Morning Book Thread 03-26-2017
Library of Skandia Recluse
Pic Note Skandia Recluse writes:
The Zane Grey books are book club editions and were published in the fifties, and I had read them all before reaching the sixth grade, usually in bed, late at night, under the covers, by flashlight. Probably why I am very nearsighted...You might notice the figure of Buddha on the top shelf and in the spirit of Mr. Dietrich (V for Vendetta) when asked "Are you Muslim?" replied, "No, I'm in television," I would reply to the question, "Are you Buddhist?" with "No, I am a recluse."
Today is International De-Lurk Day As I announced last week, I want to turn today's book thread into what you might call a "lurkers' showcase" where all of you lurkers and lurkettes post a book review. That is, if you've enjoyed a book that you first heard about on the book thread, I think you can assume that you might know of a book or two that the rest of us would like to hear about. The value of the book thread is in the comments, where books are recommended, de-recommended, and generally discussed. So I hope many of you will be moved to post your reviews.
Prescience Over on the MoronHorde group on GoodReads, a few months ago, we read The Camp of the Saints, a French novel from the 1970s which predicted, with uncanny accuracy, the social pathologies that are produced when a western country is inundated by a mass influx of unassimilated third-world immigrants. It was published, mostly forgotten, then became a best-seller in 2011 when the issues it raised became topical again. So I came across another novel that is kind of like that, meaning, written long ago, forgotten, then rediscovered. Because Trump:
The Twentieth Day of January, written by acclaimed British author Ted Allbeury and first published in 1980, tells of an incoming American president who is compromised by a sex scandal concocted by Russian spies...“When it was written, Carter was president, Reagan was about to come in…The bare bones [of the plot] are that an aspirant politician who was nowhere near being a serious contender for the presidency somehow through the manipulation of a strike gets into a position where he becomes a possible contender and keeps being helped undoubtedly with financial support, and then becomes president. And the Russians have compromising photographs of him.”Allbeury, an ex-intelligence officer during the Cold War, passed in 2005. It sounds like his professional life was perhaps a bit more exciting than he would have liked:
Although a work of fiction, fans of the book have been astonished by the way it seems to predict the rise of Trump and the allegations made against him recently.
After his death, his friend and fellow writer Len Deighton recalled: “During the Cold War, Ted was running agents across the border that divided communist East Germany from the west. His luck ran out and the Russians left him nailed to a kitchen table in a farmhouse. Practised torturers, they made sure he had a chance to survive and take the story back to his fellow agents. The war never ended for him. His children were kidnapped and he pursued them to South America. Ted never told me what happened after that. I urged Ted to write his memoirs but he could not be persuaded. He said he’d signed an official document that prevented him doing so. Well, that’s our loss, along with Ted himself: a hero, patriot, family man, friend and outstanding writer.”You know what other well-known author was a CIA field agent? William F. Buckley. It's probably safe to assume he incorporated his experiences working for the agency into his Blackford Oakes spy novels. I had always wanted Buckley to write an account of what he did during his time in the CIA, but perhaps he was bound by a non-disclosure agreement similar to Allbeury's. Or, maybe he was just an honorable man who didn't think it was proper to divulge secrets that had been entrusted to him. The Twentieth Day of January is available on Kindle for seven and a quarter. And Buckley's Blackford Oakes novels, such as Stained Glass and Marco Polo, If You Can, are also available on Kindle, each one for about eight.
Islamic Publishing
I have to give credit to Marcia Nelson, the author of Muslim Publishers Look to Build Bridges, Counter Cultural Misunderstanding for managing to restrain herself from using the word 'Islamophobia' until the 9th (out of 13) paragraph of her Publisher's Weekly piece:Simon & Schuster’s Salaam Reads is the first imprint at a major publishing house to focus on Muslim characters and stories. Zareen Jaffery is the executive editor at the imprint, which launched last year. Her focus is on books that reflect the diversity within the Muslim community, but authors also explore issues that many Muslims face in the U.S. today. “Unfortunately Islamophobia has been going on for a long time, although it does feel like it’s been heightened today, with mosques burning down and verbal assaults increasing,” said Jaffery. “Feeling threatened tends to permeate the mind and writers respond to that in their work—maybe not directly, but it does show up.”Well, if she doesn't like mosque burnings, perhaps she should tell her co-religionists to stop setting them on fire. Like that guy in Seattle. Anyway:
Despite the nuances found in the Muslim publishing industry, one common goal between publishers is clear: to provide resources that accurately represent beliefs and experiences of distinct and numerous communities of Muslims in the U.S. and around the globe. Such books can “expand the base of knowledge” on Islam, according to Jaffery.OK, fine. I'm all for cross-cultural understanding. I'm a bit of a text geek. That is, I'd like to try to understand texts as the authors intended them to be understood, rather than just making sh* up to fit my preconceived notions. Which, incidentally, is how liberal Christians read the Bible and what progressives do with the U.S. Constitution. Anyway, with that being said, here is what I would like to see: a book by a 'moderate' Islamic scholar or scholars that refutes the teachings of the Wahabist/Salafist/jihadist school of Islam. The jihadists claim that the Quran commands them to establish an Islamic civilization, by force, if need be (and it always does). And if this involves murdering unbelievers, then the murders will have Allah's blessing, as it is all part of the greater jihad. So I would like the book to be something like: "The jihadis take verse such-and-such from the Quran and use it to justify their atrocities, but the correct interpretation of that verse is actually quite different." And then provide an exegetical explanation of what they think the correct interpretation should be. And they would need to do this point by point, with every Quranic verse and every quote from the Hadiths. I would be genuinely interested in reading such a book. Because I'm wondering if it is possible to write such a book without pretty much destroying Islam as a religious system and replacing it with some modern, low-cal, secular, liberal substitute. Kind of like how the western progressives turn Christianity into a system of beliefs wherein "God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a cross" type of namby-pamby liberal Christianity, which, of course, isn't really Christianity at all. You really can't have Christianity without the cross. But can you have Islam without the sword?
A New Interstellar Hero? Here's a new one (new to me, anyway) that came across my path this week, Starship Grifters, featuring Rex Nihilo, who's a "space-faring ne'er-do-well with more bravado than brains". It looks like a run read:
Rex Nihilo plies the known universe in a tireless quest for his own personal gain. But when he fleeces a wealthy weapons dealer in a high-stakes poker game, he ends up winning a worthless planet…and owing an outstanding debt more vast than space itself!Yeah, Rex sounds like a real Moron. And with a robot sidekick, plus buxom bounty hunters, what's not to like? And if you want to wet your whistle with a cheapie, you can get the Kindle edition of a Rex Nihilo prequel, The Chicolini Incident: A Rex Nihilo Adventure (Starship Grifters Universe Book 0) for 99 cents.
The only way for Rex to escape a lifetime of torture on the prison world Gulagatraz is to score a big payday by pulling off his biggest scam. But getting mixed up in the struggle between the tyrannical Malarchian Empire and the plucky rebels of the Revolting Front—and trying to double-cross them both—may be his biggest mistake. Luckily for Rex, his frustrated but faithful robot sidekick has the cyber-smarts to deal with buxom bounty hunters, pudgy princesses, overbearing overlords, and interstellar evangelists…while still keeping Rex’s martini glass filled.
Moron Recommendations Perhaps the most famous of the many books by C.S. Lewis is The Screwtape Letters. Some years ago, they released an audiobook version, read by the British comedian John Cleese. I have it on cassette tape (that's how long ago I bought it) and I have to say that Cleese does a devilishly good job with the material. The good news is that this audio version has made it to Youtube. Here is the playlist. You can even use one of those Youtube download apps to store it on your hard drive, if you prefer. (h/t to TheJamesMadison for this recommendation last month)
___________ What I'm Reading I finished Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle last week, the first one of his that I've read. And since I'm also watching the Amazon series, comparisons are inevitable. And this is where I find literary criticism to be extremely difficult. That is, I have some beefs with the book, but are the beefs the result of the author doing a lousy job, or because I have a lousy understanding of the book? My main complaint is that TMitHC just seemed underdeveloped. Dick had an interesting idea, but he didn't seem to do much with it. For example, there is nothing in the book about any "resistance", nor is there the subplot involving Obergruppenführer John Smith and his family troubles. And I found the ending to be sort of unsatisfying. When I had finished it, my reaction was not so much "what a good story", but rather "yeah, so what?" Because once you set a story in an alternative universe, you immediately invite all sorts of questions about the different universe, how did it get there and what's it all about? And why is such a setting necessary to tell the story? These are some of the unanswered questions I had after finishing it. But I liked Dick's discussions of Japanese culture and modes of thought. Also, his description of how the I Ching is used is so intricately detailed, I get the impression that his experience with it is first-hand, like this is something he seriously played around with at some time in his life. And it plays a way bigger part in the book than it does in the series. All in all, I prefer the series. But that's maybe because I started watching it first and my expectations were set before I picked up the book.
___________ Moronette 'votermom' is putting together a list of moron authors over on the Goodreads site which is intended to be accessible to non-members. Here is the list she has compiled so far. Let her know if there's an author she's missing. http://www.bookhorde.org/p/aoshq-authors.html ___________ Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde. ___________ So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm. What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.
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Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 08:58 AM (gwPgz)
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heh
Posted by: m at March 26, 2017 08:58 AM (Gqgs8)
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Tolle lege
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 08:58 AM (GPaiX)
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SECOND!!!
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 26, 2017 08:58 AM (vRcUp)
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I sounded the alarm.
Posted by: m at March 26, 2017 08:59 AM (Gqgs8)
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Thanks to the Book Thread, I ordered "Orphan X" which turns out to be something like Jack Reacher on steroids. I'm about 2/3's through the book and I've been neglecting chores to read it.
I'm also reading O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin "The Ionian Mission" and a second book from James Church in the Inspector O series. Inspector O is a NORK intelligence
operative and his activities and experiences give an interesting insight to a modern police state.
I'm also reading O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin "The Ionian Mission" and a second book from James Church in the Inspector O series. Inspector O is a NORK intelligence
operative and his activities and experiences give an interesting insight to a modern police state.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 08:59 AM (gwPgz)
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>>>But I liked Dick's discussions of Japanese culture and modes of thought.
I like anything involving "dick" and Japan.
I like anything involving "dick" and Japan.
Posted by: George Takei at March 26, 2017 09:00 AM (vRcUp)
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Wonderful to see your magnificent collection, Scandia Recluse.
Really, this could have been included in last night's movie thread as I see some "Top 10" candidates in there.
Really, this could have been included in last night's movie thread as I see some "Top 10" candidates in there.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:01 AM (PhYV5)
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Finished Napoleon's Infantry Handbook by Terry Crowdy, I have been deeply interested in Napoleoic warfare for 37 years but learned a lot on the minutiae of the daily regimen of the common soldiers.
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 09:02 AM (GPaiX)
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This week I continued with the Honor Harrington series. I read A Rising Thunder by David Weber. This is the seventeenth book in the series and the story still has my attention and is a joy to read. One of the best series that I have read.
Posted by: Zoltan at March 26, 2017 09:02 AM (mB70I)
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OM, I sent an inexpertly photographed pic of one of my chess sets. It was our family's everyday set but pretty ornate, yet surprisingly sturdy. It has been shipped back and forth for decades and only one little piece of ivory is missing.
By comparison, my prized Indian ivory set was atomized in seconds by one very stout housecat.
By comparison, my prized Indian ivory set was atomized in seconds by one very stout housecat.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:03 AM (PhYV5)
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Oh, and Good morning, bibliophiliacs!
That tramp The Outside has been luring me away from my pretties, but this intoxicating Spring weather won’t last and I’ll be back inside escaping the blast furnace of Summer soon enough.
Got a rucksack full o’ books from the library. I’ve already mentioned "The Art of ARCHER", which is splendiferous. Lots on what goes into designing the characters and environments. I love that the animators dress up in full kit to take reference shots and get a feel for how their character would move in a tux, armor, evening gowns, or say, a bubble wrap space dress. Imagine basically cosplaying Archer at work. Oh, and I did not know that they included an anime Archer episode as an extra so now I’m furiously trying to find it.
"In the Mountains of Madness: the Life and Extraordinary Afterlife of H.P. Lovecraft" by W. Scott Poole looks to be as densely written and dripping with ichor as any of the master’s work. “Like his Poe-esque narrator, Lovecraft yearned to slip into the past even if the trip took him down a charnel house stair lit with a guttering candle.” Even though H.P. detested the modern world, Poole wants to examine him as a creature of his own place and time, and it looks like Poole will delve into the holy trinity of race, class, and gender. Still, thus far it’s been a very good read.
I judge by covers and I cannot lie, so I checked out two sciffy-looking ones by Becky Chambers, "The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet" and "A Closed and Common Orbit". They look fun.
And on the recommendation of a Horde reader I checked out Charles McCarry’s "Shelley’s Heart". Very timely tale about two political rivals (who are friends) and what happens when the defeated candidate learns that the votes were tampered with. What a writer. You’ll be nodding in agreement with many of his observations.
That tramp The Outside has been luring me away from my pretties, but this intoxicating Spring weather won’t last and I’ll be back inside escaping the blast furnace of Summer soon enough.
Got a rucksack full o’ books from the library. I’ve already mentioned "The Art of ARCHER", which is splendiferous. Lots on what goes into designing the characters and environments. I love that the animators dress up in full kit to take reference shots and get a feel for how their character would move in a tux, armor, evening gowns, or say, a bubble wrap space dress. Imagine basically cosplaying Archer at work. Oh, and I did not know that they included an anime Archer episode as an extra so now I’m furiously trying to find it.
"In the Mountains of Madness: the Life and Extraordinary Afterlife of H.P. Lovecraft" by W. Scott Poole looks to be as densely written and dripping with ichor as any of the master’s work. “Like his Poe-esque narrator, Lovecraft yearned to slip into the past even if the trip took him down a charnel house stair lit with a guttering candle.” Even though H.P. detested the modern world, Poole wants to examine him as a creature of his own place and time, and it looks like Poole will delve into the holy trinity of race, class, and gender. Still, thus far it’s been a very good read.
I judge by covers and I cannot lie, so I checked out two sciffy-looking ones by Becky Chambers, "The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet" and "A Closed and Common Orbit". They look fun.
And on the recommendation of a Horde reader I checked out Charles McCarry’s "Shelley’s Heart". Very timely tale about two political rivals (who are friends) and what happens when the defeated candidate learns that the votes were tampered with. What a writer. You’ll be nodding in agreement with many of his observations.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:04 AM (PhYV5)
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As I announced last week, I want to turn today's chess thread into what you might call a "lurkers' showcase" where all of you lurkers and lurkettes post a book review.
Err, whut?
Err, whut?
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:04 AM (HV1LS)
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Good Morning all,
I'm about to leave for vacation, but wanted to give a thanks to all here. Both Dome City Blues and it's sequel are free right now on Kindle.
https://www.amazon.com/Dome-City-Blues-Jeff-Edwards-ebook/dp/B005DV9XFO
Read the 1st one previously and liked it. Will read the 2nd on vacation.
Enjoy.
I'm about to leave for vacation, but wanted to give a thanks to all here. Both Dome City Blues and it's sequel are free right now on Kindle.
https://www.amazon.com/Dome-City-Blues-Jeff-Edwards-ebook/dp/B005DV9XFO
Read the 1st one previously and liked it. Will read the 2nd on vacation.
Enjoy.
Posted by: NJRob at March 26, 2017 09:07 AM (yxUNy)
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I'm a heavy lurker, light commenter:
One of my favorite books, "I Can't Said the Ant".
Ok, full disclosure, I don't read books, I read information, lots & lots of information, and this blog. And that's all I need. & this stool, but that's it, that's all I need. & this thermos...
One of my favorite books, "I Can't Said the Ant".
Ok, full disclosure, I don't read books, I read information, lots & lots of information, and this blog. And that's all I need. & this stool, but that's it, that's all I need. & this thermos...
Posted by: Ruth Ruben at March 26, 2017 09:10 AM (RR9wF)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 26, 2017 09:10 AM (J+eG2)
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Ah....Blackford Oakes! Great stuff. Well written and good plots. Buckley was quite a talent.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2017 09:10 AM (rF0hx)
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Skandia, those are all Zane Grey books? Wow!
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 26, 2017 09:11 AM (Om16U)
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Yay Book Thread!
This week on my blog is a bunch of new books mostly by Morons.
Including the newest Amy Lynn.
Check it out when the Book Thread winds down.
Link in nic
This week on my blog is a bunch of new books mostly by Morons.
Including the newest Amy Lynn.
Check it out when the Book Thread winds down.
Link in nic
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 26, 2017 09:13 AM (Om16U)
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Indeed, I read "The Man in the High Castle" years ago, and Dick really just sketched out an idea. I think with the novel, he had something else in mind, in terms of a criticism of modern aesthetics such as he found in California (a place of materialist hedonism run amuck).
Of course, the cable monkeys wanted to really flesh out the story, and make it "real", so it is really two different things.
Indeed, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" is more of a philosophical discourse about empathy and what makes people really human, than about hunting down stray Andies as the story goes in "Blade Runner". Again, Hollywood took the germ of an idea from his book and made it "real".
Philip Dick was really weird, and his writing didn't always have mass appeal, but what he wrote and why he wrote wasn't the same as how his writing is portrayed in popular media entertainment. And really, I think that's where our popular culture has gone off the deep end.
Everything has to be literal. There is no subtlety of thought in anything. Hit everybody with a sledge hammer of violence, realism and graphic CGI.
Of course, the cable monkeys wanted to really flesh out the story, and make it "real", so it is really two different things.
Indeed, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" is more of a philosophical discourse about empathy and what makes people really human, than about hunting down stray Andies as the story goes in "Blade Runner". Again, Hollywood took the germ of an idea from his book and made it "real".
Philip Dick was really weird, and his writing didn't always have mass appeal, but what he wrote and why he wrote wasn't the same as how his writing is portrayed in popular media entertainment. And really, I think that's where our popular culture has gone off the deep end.
Everything has to be literal. There is no subtlety of thought in anything. Hit everybody with a sledge hammer of violence, realism and graphic CGI.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 09:14 AM (S6Pax)
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Buckley was quite a talent. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2017 09:10 AM (rF0hx)
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Christopher Buckley is as well. His writing hits that sweet spot where both sides' hypocrisy is skewered. Conventional lefty, of course, but funny writer.
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Christopher Buckley is as well. His writing hits that sweet spot where both sides' hypocrisy is skewered. Conventional lefty, of course, but funny writer.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 09:15 AM (MIKMs)
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13 As I announced last week, I want to turn today's chess thread into what you might call a "lurkers' showcase" where all of you lurkers and lurkettes post a book review.
Err, whut?
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:04 AM (HV1LS)
Oregon's been two-timing us with that bimbo chess.
Err, whut?
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:04 AM (HV1LS)
Oregon's been two-timing us with that bimbo chess.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 26, 2017 09:15 AM (Om16U)
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Niebuhr first thing in the morning. Nice.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 26, 2017 09:17 AM (LTHVh)
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Yikers! OM brings it.
Scandia's book nook has a familiar look about it.
Another superlative Book Thread.
I've read some of Buckley's Blackford Oakes books. Quite tame by comparison with the blood/gore/sex stuff currently in vogue. I also have a signed copy of 'Right Thinking'.
This week finished 'Pearl Harbor: FDR Leads the Nation Into War' by Steven M. Gillon.
The author focuses on the 24 hour period following the Pearl Harbor attack. He doesn't seem to be a Roosevelt worshipper, but spends a good deal of time opining on Roosevelt's physical infirmity and how that might have affected his attitude about other matters.
The book is well-written, and coherent, actually a pretty good read.
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Now halfway through 'Gallows Thief', Cornwell. I needed some entertaining fiction.
Scandia's book nook has a familiar look about it.
Another superlative Book Thread.
I've read some of Buckley's Blackford Oakes books. Quite tame by comparison with the blood/gore/sex stuff currently in vogue. I also have a signed copy of 'Right Thinking'.
This week finished 'Pearl Harbor: FDR Leads the Nation Into War' by Steven M. Gillon.
The author focuses on the 24 hour period following the Pearl Harbor attack. He doesn't seem to be a Roosevelt worshipper, but spends a good deal of time opining on Roosevelt's physical infirmity and how that might have affected his attitude about other matters.
The book is well-written, and coherent, actually a pretty good read.
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Now halfway through 'Gallows Thief', Cornwell. I needed some entertaining fiction.
Posted by: Hillz at March 26, 2017 09:17 AM (ZO497)
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Finished a classic old mystery novel by Cornell Woolrich: _The Bride Wore Black_. Woolrich was a pretty big name, once upon a time. He wrote the short story that inspired Hitchcock's _Rear Window_, among a whole bunch of other works.
This one is . . . actually kind of disappointing. The big payoff revelation depends on massive use of the Idiot Ball.
This one is . . . actually kind of disappointing. The big payoff revelation depends on massive use of the Idiot Ball.
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 26, 2017 09:18 AM (cZ3Ws)
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Christopher Buckley is as well. His writing hits that sweet spot where both sides' hypocrisy is skewered. Conventional lefty, of course, but funny writer.
Posted by: mustbequantum
William Buckley was a brilliant guy, but also pretty weird. There are more than a few clues he had a drinking problem. I think it was hard to be his son, and Christopher has "rebelled" a lot since WFB died. Daddy issues, anyone?
But Chris Buckley is a very funny and talented writer. I think he sort of revolted because he didn't like being pigeonholed with his father's beliefs and political ideas.
Posted by: mustbequantum
William Buckley was a brilliant guy, but also pretty weird. There are more than a few clues he had a drinking problem. I think it was hard to be his son, and Christopher has "rebelled" a lot since WFB died. Daddy issues, anyone?
But Chris Buckley is a very funny and talented writer. I think he sort of revolted because he didn't like being pigeonholed with his father's beliefs and political ideas.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 09:18 AM (S6Pax)
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And since I'm also watching the Amazon series, comparisons are inevitable.
The Man in the High Castle, season one was worth watching, as the entire 'what-if' scenario was unique. According to my wife, who read the book, much was Inserted by Amazon. Season one left on a discordant note. I was fine with it ending in that fashion.
I started watching Season Two and turned it off after 15 minutes. I just didn't care anymore. I notice that Amazon has returned to advertising it again, as apparently many people share my opinion.
The Man in the High Castle, season one was worth watching, as the entire 'what-if' scenario was unique. According to my wife, who read the book, much was Inserted by Amazon. Season one left on a discordant note. I was fine with it ending in that fashion.
I started watching Season Two and turned it off after 15 minutes. I just didn't care anymore. I notice that Amazon has returned to advertising it again, as apparently many people share my opinion.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 09:18 AM (ZFUt7)
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I too preferred the series TMitHC to the book (this could be a thread in itself -- those rare instances of the movie/series being better than the book). It was an idea exercise, and a good one, but there was minimal character development.
The one neat thing the novel did was casually toss of references to genocide, germ warfare against an entire continent, and interplanetary travel (by the 60's) which really takes one aback.
The one neat thing the novel did was casually toss of references to genocide, germ warfare against an entire continent, and interplanetary travel (by the 60's) which really takes one aback.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:20 AM (PhYV5)
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Wow, only 20 minutes late to the thread! Devouring Correia's Grimnoir series like sea salt and caramel popcorn.
And I want Jake Sullivan's Bullpup BAR.
And I want Jake Sullivan's Bullpup BAR.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 09:20 AM (IJX6l)
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Still reading "Left Turns" by Tim Grossclose. It does leave me feeling a bit hopeless about Congress. Of course I was already hopeless about the media so at least I can't feel any more let down about them than I have since I was in 6th grade and discovered commies lie.
W/R/T "Camp of the Saints" I remember when it first came out. I ordered it while I was at home visiting for Christmas. I ordered it from some outfit called "The Institute for Western Values" which I remember because one of my sisters mocked it or me or both, probably the last. I read it way back when and was so horrified that I haven't been able to read it again since.
I finished the first Myron Bolitar novel and I felt like he kind of lost steam, or I did. The ending where they hatch the plan to catch the killer seemed overly contrived to me, not exactly the plot but the places where they were hatching the plan and the narrative would stop before the commercial, or maybe I mean at the end of the paragraph, but it was very much like in a movie or TV show where the hero says, "So here's what we're going to do" and then they break, and when they come back, it's time for the big thrilling capture-the-bad-guy moment.
Now I'm back to "We'll Always Have Parrots" by Donna Andrews and I really do enjoy her stuff. It's lighthearted and reasonably clean with enjoyable characters. It's clean enough that I was able to recommend it to a church friend for her teen daughter. It's not perfect, but there's no "on-screen" sex.
And I just started "The Weight of Glory" by CS Lewis. First time for this one, but I will very much look forward to listening to "The Screwtape Letters," so thanks for that.
W/R/T "Camp of the Saints" I remember when it first came out. I ordered it while I was at home visiting for Christmas. I ordered it from some outfit called "The Institute for Western Values" which I remember because one of my sisters mocked it or me or both, probably the last. I read it way back when and was so horrified that I haven't been able to read it again since.
I finished the first Myron Bolitar novel and I felt like he kind of lost steam, or I did. The ending where they hatch the plan to catch the killer seemed overly contrived to me, not exactly the plot but the places where they were hatching the plan and the narrative would stop before the commercial, or maybe I mean at the end of the paragraph, but it was very much like in a movie or TV show where the hero says, "So here's what we're going to do" and then they break, and when they come back, it's time for the big thrilling capture-the-bad-guy moment.
Now I'm back to "We'll Always Have Parrots" by Donna Andrews and I really do enjoy her stuff. It's lighthearted and reasonably clean with enjoyable characters. It's clean enough that I was able to recommend it to a church friend for her teen daughter. It's not perfect, but there's no "on-screen" sex.
And I just started "The Weight of Glory" by CS Lewis. First time for this one, but I will very much look forward to listening to "The Screwtape Letters," so thanks for that.
Posted by: Tonestaple at March 26, 2017 09:20 AM (NLPOe)
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As I announced last week, I want to turn today's chess book thread into what you might call a "lurkers' showcase" where all of you lurkers and lurkettes post a book review. That is, if you've enjoyed a book that you first heard about on the book thread, I think you can assume that you might know of a book or two that the rest of us would like to hear about.
Long time lurker, first time poster. I really enjoyed the Communist Manifesto.
Long time lurker, first time poster. I really enjoyed the Communist Manifesto.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 26, 2017 09:20 AM (vRcUp)
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Philip K Dick. I don't know that any of his stories, translated to the screen, are all that faithful to what he wrote.
He had some great ideas for stories but the execution was not all that. That could be because most accounts is batshit crazy. Or maybe just tuned into aliens. Or maybe God.
Here is a list of movies from wikipedia of movies made from works by Philip K Dick :
The Adjustment Bureau
Blade Runner
Minority Report
Next
Paycheck
A Scanner Darkly
Screamers
Total Recall
I left off a couple that no one has ever heard of.
I think there is one more that should be included, The Terminator. There is a short story by Dick named "The Second Variety" that is really about Terminators, but there is no time travel involved. Still, I am pretty sure that the story was an influence. I remember reading it and going "Terminators. You're talking about Terminators!"
Note that Dick's craziness was paranoid schizophrenia, and many of those stories are about someone with the ability to see the future or is unsure about his or her own place in the world (DADES is way more about that than about tracking down skinjobs.)
He had some great ideas for stories but the execution was not all that. That could be because most accounts is batshit crazy. Or maybe just tuned into aliens. Or maybe God.
Here is a list of movies from wikipedia of movies made from works by Philip K Dick :
The Adjustment Bureau
Blade Runner
Minority Report
Next
Paycheck
A Scanner Darkly
Screamers
Total Recall
I left off a couple that no one has ever heard of.
I think there is one more that should be included, The Terminator. There is a short story by Dick named "The Second Variety" that is really about Terminators, but there is no time travel involved. Still, I am pretty sure that the story was an influence. I remember reading it and going "Terminators. You're talking about Terminators!"
Note that Dick's craziness was paranoid schizophrenia, and many of those stories are about someone with the ability to see the future or is unsure about his or her own place in the world (DADES is way more about that than about tracking down skinjobs.)
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:21 AM (HV1LS)
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Somewhere on YouTube there's a video of an interview of Tim Powers about his friendship with Philip K. Dick back in the day. Best moment: the look of blank incomprehension in the college student interviewer's eyes when Powers mentions that Dick was a devout Christian and a fervent opponent of abortion. You can practically hear the circuit-breakers trip behind the kid's forehead.
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 26, 2017 09:21 AM (cZ3Ws)
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28, Eris, I haven't read "The Man in the High Castle" but to my knowledge, the only case in which the movie was absolutely better than the book was "Jaws." The book sucked dead bears.
Posted by: Tonestaple at March 26, 2017 09:22 AM (NLPOe)
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Although a work of fiction, fans of the book have been astonished by the way it seems to predict the rise of Trump and the allegations made against him recently.
Makes me wonder if this is where the Dems got their idea to portray Trump this way.
A similar thing happened with the octopus-on-an-airplane story. It turned out that someone had made the exact same accusation -- against a BBC executive or someone like that.
Makes me wonder if this is where the Dems got their idea to portray Trump this way.
A similar thing happened with the octopus-on-an-airplane story. It turned out that someone had made the exact same accusation -- against a BBC executive or someone like that.
Posted by: Emmie at March 26, 2017 09:23 AM (xVuS6)
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Good morning to all the Book Threadists. It's a cool, overcast day here. Perfect for following the book thread and reading while getting over a head cold.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 09:23 AM (V+03K)
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The only thing I've read for the past 4 days is the back of medicine bottles. Worst period of sickness I've had in decades . Reconfirms my empathy for the morons that unfortunately experience this more frequently. Now that I'm better I have pleasure of being even further behind at work. Endeavor to persevere.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM (IDPbH)
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OM...have you ever read "Prophet of Doom"? by Craig Winn?
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM (x9c8r)
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The problem with MitHC is that its 90% padding. The thread of interest (the origin and meaning of the films) is shoved to the side in favor of subplot after subplot that are obviously there just to drag it out.
The whole series is a tease and the viewer winds up with blueballs.
The whole series is a tease and the viewer winds up with blueballs.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM (oVJmc)
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Octopus? Mojitos all around!
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM (cZ3Ws)
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:25 AM (HV1LS)
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Un-lurking for a minute: Re: Man in High Castle, PKD's books were often like that (but still worth reading), and the I Ching stuff appears in other stories; it was definitely an interest of his.
Legacy of Heorot by Niven/Pournelle/Barnes was an interesting one of late (in the midst of the sequel now). I'm on a re-reading -- well, re-listening -- kick with a book series I loved reading 20+ years ago by Philip J. Farmer, starting with To Your Scattered Bodies Go.
Legacy of Heorot by Niven/Pournelle/Barnes was an interesting one of late (in the midst of the sequel now). I'm on a re-reading -- well, re-listening -- kick with a book series I loved reading 20+ years ago by Philip J. Farmer, starting with To Your Scattered Bodies Go.
Posted by: mngiggle at March 26, 2017 09:25 AM (P3P3c)
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34 28, Eris, I haven't read "The Man in the High Castle" but to my knowledge, the only case in which the movie was absolutely better than the book was "Jaws." The book sucked dead bears.
Posted by: Tonestaple at March 26, 2017 09:22 AM (NLPOe)
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Ha! That's the example I often use! Robert Shaw (no slouch as a writer) called it "a novel written by a committee, a piece of shit". Ouch! I wonder if they met on set.
The best Benchley is, of course, Robert Benchley.
Posted by: Tonestaple at March 26, 2017 09:22 AM (NLPOe)
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Ha! That's the example I often use! Robert Shaw (no slouch as a writer) called it "a novel written by a committee, a piece of shit". Ouch! I wonder if they met on set.
The best Benchley is, of course, Robert Benchley.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:25 AM (PhYV5)
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Whenever I'm confronted with the apparent reality of being an early-retired wonk with degrees in big stuff from a third-tier, farting around with old cars and pissant farming, my old Non-Disclosure Agreement gets me off the hook.
The Official Secrets Act has been the best barroom friend to the deep-thinking yet dull for a whole century now. I'd tell you, hun, but then I'd have to...
We should have a regular OSA thread, so us normal-seeming but exceptionally experienced guys next door can pretend to de-lurk and spill the beans. Ex Navy rating excepted of course: they've already seen it all, done it all, and told it all.
And that scar on my hand is not from a minor bicycle accident in the 60's.
The Russians nailed me to a table, see. Yeah that's the ticket.
The Official Secrets Act has been the best barroom friend to the deep-thinking yet dull for a whole century now. I'd tell you, hun, but then I'd have to...
We should have a regular OSA thread, so us normal-seeming but exceptionally experienced guys next door can pretend to de-lurk and spill the beans. Ex Navy rating excepted of course: they've already seen it all, done it all, and told it all.
And that scar on my hand is not from a minor bicycle accident in the 60's.
The Russians nailed me to a table, see. Yeah that's the ticket.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 26, 2017 09:26 AM (H5rtT)
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Rex Nihilo sounds like Harry Mudd
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 26, 2017 09:26 AM (pYtna)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 09:26 AM (WTSFk)
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Good Sunday morning!
I'm reading Mark Kurlansky's "Salt" this week. Only a couple of chapters in so far, but it's looking interesting.
I'm reading Mark Kurlansky's "Salt" this week. Only a couple of chapters in so far, but it's looking interesting.
Posted by: April at March 26, 2017 09:27 AM (e8PP1)
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I read "The Screwtape Letters" a year or two ago. A rare combination of entertaining and profound
Currently I'm a fourth of the way through "The Caves of Steel" by Isaac Asimov, which is set in the same continuity as his more famous "I, Robot," though it's not a direct sequel. As it was written in 1954, some of it is insightful, but most of it feels dated now. Still interesting to read how someone from that time speculated about the future.
Currently I'm a fourth of the way through "The Caves of Steel" by Isaac Asimov, which is set in the same continuity as his more famous "I, Robot," though it's not a direct sequel. As it was written in 1954, some of it is insightful, but most of it feels dated now. Still interesting to read how someone from that time speculated about the future.
Posted by: Aunt Luna at March 26, 2017 09:27 AM (Zd2ZF)
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Yay Book Thread!
Life continues to be absolutely bonkers, but I'm still hanging on by my fingernails. Peter Pan this week in one class; Donne, Herbert, Bunyan, and Milton in the other; and catch-up week in the third. (Next week I'm giving the third class "Casey at the Bat" in honor of Opening Day!) Also working on a poster inspired by The Dream of the Rood to put in my CafePress store for Easter, along with some other (smaller) cross designs. Planning to do an actual painting of it to display at events, but that's going to have to wait until summer, as is finishing Loyal Valley: Diversion--I'm still working on that when I can, but like I said, life's bonkers.
Re: Screwtape Letters: more recently, Focus on the Family produced a version read by Andy Serkis. I'm dying to hear it. I'll bookmark that Cleese link, though--thanks, OM!
Life continues to be absolutely bonkers, but I'm still hanging on by my fingernails. Peter Pan this week in one class; Donne, Herbert, Bunyan, and Milton in the other; and catch-up week in the third. (Next week I'm giving the third class "Casey at the Bat" in honor of Opening Day!) Also working on a poster inspired by The Dream of the Rood to put in my CafePress store for Easter, along with some other (smaller) cross designs. Planning to do an actual painting of it to display at events, but that's going to have to wait until summer, as is finishing Loyal Valley: Diversion--I'm still working on that when I can, but like I said, life's bonkers.
Re: Screwtape Letters: more recently, Focus on the Family produced a version read by Andy Serkis. I'm dying to hear it. I'll bookmark that Cleese link, though--thanks, OM!
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 09:27 AM (Bbi5h)
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I like the Zane Grey collection. I have read a couple of Zane Grey novels--Riders of the Purple Sage and Alcatraz. I really loved Alcatraz. I think I'll put more Grey on my list.
Posted by: April at March 26, 2017 09:28 AM (e8PP1)
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(i figure it'll be about smugglers.)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 09:28 AM (WTSFk)
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Note that Dick's craziness was paranoid schizophrenia, and many of those stories are about someone with the ability to see the future or is unsure about his or her own place in the world (DADES is way more about that than about tracking down skinjobs.)
Posted by: blaster
PKD was not normal, and paranoid schizo was part of it. But take his books and writing for what they are. And indeed, H-wood takes a germ of an idea and then tortures it into something totally different. They want to make money, and that's how they see it. Of course they're right (face palm).
PKD's problems in life are rooted in his mental issues, which show up in his books a lot. He was crazy. Well, so was Edgar Allen Poe. And a lot of other writers.
I don't like Philip Dick's writing that much, but he was trying to communicate ideas through his writing. It sometimes makes you appreciate your own sanity, and sometimes makes you wonder just who is actually crazy.
Posted by: blaster
PKD was not normal, and paranoid schizo was part of it. But take his books and writing for what they are. And indeed, H-wood takes a germ of an idea and then tortures it into something totally different. They want to make money, and that's how they see it. Of course they're right (face palm).
PKD's problems in life are rooted in his mental issues, which show up in his books a lot. He was crazy. Well, so was Edgar Allen Poe. And a lot of other writers.
I don't like Philip Dick's writing that much, but he was trying to communicate ideas through his writing. It sometimes makes you appreciate your own sanity, and sometimes makes you wonder just who is actually crazy.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 09:28 AM (S6Pax)
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A lot of writers and artists have mental issues.
I think in some cases it's therapy, but in other cases it might have made them worse mentally.
I think in some cases it's therapy, but in other cases it might have made them worse mentally.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 26, 2017 09:31 AM (Om16U)
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Agree on Christopher Buckley. "Thank You for Smoking" is a hoot.
As I didn't get started on a new book for this thread, I'll go into the mists of time and recommend the original Myth Adventures series by the late Robert Aspirin. Wannabe thief on a dump of a world works for a wizard. Said wizard conjures a demon, then is assassinated, leaving shlub, Skeeve, confronting demon, Aahz.
"No relation."
That sets the tone for a rollicking run of adventure and laughter.
Sadly, Aspirin hit severe writer'so block after the 20th book, and the final two of the original 12 are shadows of what had gone before, but those first 10. ... Highly recommended.
As I didn't get started on a new book for this thread, I'll go into the mists of time and recommend the original Myth Adventures series by the late Robert Aspirin. Wannabe thief on a dump of a world works for a wizard. Said wizard conjures a demon, then is assassinated, leaving shlub, Skeeve, confronting demon, Aahz.
"No relation."
That sets the tone for a rollicking run of adventure and laughter.
Sadly, Aspirin hit severe writer'so block after the 20th book, and the final two of the original 12 are shadows of what had gone before, but those first 10. ... Highly recommended.
Posted by: Weak Geek at March 26, 2017 09:32 AM (83Ufd)
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I really envy Skandia's hardback editions of Zane Grey. I'm slowly collecting hardcover versions of my favorite L'Amour books, the ones I re-read frequently.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 09:32 AM (V+03K)
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@42 Oh man, Riverworld.
Back in HS had some friends who were big readers, we would offer each other books to read. All SciFi stuff. One guy was way ahead of the curve, read Niven way before I got into Niven. He read all the Riverworld there was, for whatever reason I never picked them up. A few years ago I wondered why and started. The first one, To Your Scattered Bodies Go, was pretty good, an interesting milieu and introduction to it.
The Fabulous Riverboat amped it up, but was kind of a mess. And I just couldn't go on with the series.
Back in HS had some friends who were big readers, we would offer each other books to read. All SciFi stuff. One guy was way ahead of the curve, read Niven way before I got into Niven. He read all the Riverworld there was, for whatever reason I never picked them up. A few years ago I wondered why and started. The first one, To Your Scattered Bodies Go, was pretty good, an interesting milieu and introduction to it.
The Fabulous Riverboat amped it up, but was kind of a mess. And I just couldn't go on with the series.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:32 AM (HV1LS)
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... the sequel in this putative hardy boys like series will be about smugglers out west:
"the lying liars of liar's gulch"
"the lying liars of liar's gulch"
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 09:32 AM (WTSFk)
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I read the The Channings by Mrs. Henry Wood to my parents, husband and 5 kids on a road trip to Yosemite 6 years ago. By the end, we were on pins and needles to find out who spoiled the surplice and what happened to Charles. Excellent.
Posted by: polish pilgrim at March 26, 2017 09:32 AM (YMwXk)
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all told i have about 5 titles in that vein. now i just have to write the books! wish me luck...
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 09:35 AM (WTSFk)
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Wasn't the Confederacy of Dunces dude also mental . I think his mother got his book published after he committed suicide. Not to disparage the dead, but CoD blew monkey chunks.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 09:36 AM (IDPbH)
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Oh boy! I was trying to make a sly liberry joke but Muldoon beat me to it with a better one. So I whipped up a scholarly couple of paragraphs about Zane Grey if anyone is interested and the thread goes in that direction.
Oregon Muse wrote : OK, fine. I'm all for cross-cultural understanding. I'm a bit of a text geek. That is, I'd like to try to understand texts as the authors intended them to be understood, rather than just making sh* up to fit my preconceived notions.
Which is a perfect seqway into the Senate testimony of Larry Solum's on reading the US Constitution as an 'originalist' (linked on instapundit).
I'm still reading 'Cowboy Detective' from last Sunday's thread and just finished the Chapter on the Coeur d'Alene Miner's strike of 1892 which made it clear to me that socialism has been a contentious issue far longer than just the anti war protests of the sixties.
Oh boy! I was trying to make a sly liberry joke but Muldoon beat me to it with a better one. So I whipped up a scholarly couple of paragraphs about Zane Grey if anyone is interested and the thread goes in that direction.
Oregon Muse wrote : OK, fine. I'm all for cross-cultural understanding. I'm a bit of a text geek. That is, I'd like to try to understand texts as the authors intended them to be understood, rather than just making sh* up to fit my preconceived notions.
Which is a perfect seqway into the Senate testimony of Larry Solum's on reading the US Constitution as an 'originalist' (linked on instapundit).
I'm still reading 'Cowboy Detective' from last Sunday's thread and just finished the Chapter on the Coeur d'Alene Miner's strike of 1892 which made it clear to me that socialism has been a contentious issue far longer than just the anti war protests of the sixties.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 09:37 AM (+Cb51)
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Looking time lurker, rare commenter.
Started reading first novel of The Expanse, Leviathan Wakes . Love the show, but the book is great. A solid read and seems to be good on the laws of space travel and the dynamics of living in space and how the differing societies evolved.
Started reading first novel of The Expanse, Leviathan Wakes . Love the show, but the book is great. A solid read and seems to be good on the laws of space travel and the dynamics of living in space and how the differing societies evolved.
Posted by: Dandolo at March 26, 2017 09:38 AM (96scd)
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@54 remember tearing through the Myth books, I can't remember how many of them I read. They were fun, the wordplay was clever.
Another series that was fun: Stainless Steel Rat. Crossing threads, that could have been good movie material.
Another series that was fun: Stainless Steel Rat. Crossing threads, that could have been good movie material.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:39 AM (HV1LS)
Posted by: Original Jake at March 26, 2017 09:40 AM (gp3sW)
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Um... there are an awful lot of movies in that "library", but I do not see Disturbia, Transformers or Lawless. What's up with that sh*t?
Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 26, 2017 09:42 AM (vRcUp)
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13 As I announced last week, I want to turn today's chess thread into what you might call a "lurkers' showcase" where all of you lurkers and lurkettes post a book review.
Err, whut?
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:04 AM (HV1LS)
Aargh. How could that have happened. Apparently, the Russians have hacked the book thread.
Thank you, I fixed. Or, re-fixed it after one of the cobs fixed it first.
Err, whut?
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:04 AM (HV1LS)
Aargh. How could that have happened. Apparently, the Russians have hacked the book thread.
Thank you, I fixed. Or, re-fixed it after one of the cobs fixed it first.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:43 AM (WPSd5)
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OM...have you ever read "Prophet of Doom"? by Craig Winn?
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM (x9c8r)
No, I haven't. This is one I haven't even heard of.
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM (x9c8r)
No, I haven't. This is one I haven't even heard of.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:43 AM (WPSd5)
Posted by: Original Jake at March 26, 2017 09:43 AM (gp3sW)
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68 Louis L'Amour> Zane Grey?
??
Posted by: Original Jake at March 26, 2017 09:43 AM (gp3sW)
Which one had the better TV movies?
??
Posted by: Original Jake at March 26, 2017 09:43 AM (gp3sW)
Which one had the better TV movies?
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 09:45 AM (IDPbH)
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OM, I sent an inexpertly photographed pic of one of my chess sets.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:03 AM (PhYV5)
Have not received it yet. Which e-mail address did you send it to?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:03 AM (PhYV5)
Have not received it yet. Which e-mail address did you send it to?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:45 AM (WPSd5)
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One neat thing the series shows, within the bounds of current human actor shapes of course, is how the different gravities and environments shape people.
In the most recent episode I watched, the Marine Draper and her superiors were called back to Earth to report on the disaster at Ganymede. Just to be dicks, the UN made sure there was a nice difficult walk from the landing pad to the Martian embassy so that straining under one full G reminded them who was in charge.
I remember in some other novel (by Joan D. Vinge maybe) that spacers didn't think as we planet-bound types do in Up-Down, Right-Left planes, but more 360-spherical. When one of them saw a staircase they were completely mystified as to its purpose.
In the most recent episode I watched, the Marine Draper and her superiors were called back to Earth to report on the disaster at Ganymede. Just to be dicks, the UN made sure there was a nice difficult walk from the landing pad to the Martian embassy so that straining under one full G reminded them who was in charge.
I remember in some other novel (by Joan D. Vinge maybe) that spacers didn't think as we planet-bound types do in Up-Down, Right-Left planes, but more 360-spherical. When one of them saw a staircase they were completely mystified as to its purpose.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:47 AM (PhYV5)
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I read The Dogs of War by Frederick Forsyth. It is the source material for the movie of the same title but has significantly less "action" than the movie. The novel primarily consists of the machinations of the mercenary leader and the unscrupulous British businessman in setting up shell corporations to facilitate the coup in a god-forsaken little African country that happens to have a huge deposit of platinum. I give it a 3.5 out of 5: it is a moderately interesting time-capsule of the early 1970s.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2017 09:47 AM (5Yee7)
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This has been a frustrating and enjoyable week for reading. I managed to get through the fall and winter without a sniffle, now I have one of those colds that feels like my head is full of wet cement and twice as dense. Reading new books is ill-advised. But I've been re-reading some long time favorites where I know half the words and needn't think. Louis L'Amour's "Flint" and "Ride The River", some of the Skylark sci-fi series, and a couple of the Thurlo's "Lee Nez" mysteries, and I started the first "Fu Manchu story. All fun stuff.
The frustrating part is I had just received several books that interest me: historical novels, a book providing context for the "Arabian Nights", and a book on the Renaissance throughout Europe, among others. No chance in hell those words were going to penetrate the mush in my head. But I will get to them.
The frustrating part is I had just received several books that interest me: historical novels, a book providing context for the "Arabian Nights", and a book on the Renaissance throughout Europe, among others. No chance in hell those words were going to penetrate the mush in my head. But I will get to them.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 09:47 AM (V+03K)
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Also mentioned in movie thread was Frederick Pohl's Heechee saga - there was a lot there that could be explored in movies/TV Series.
The definition of humanity when your consciousness is uploaded to the cloud, the future of medicine, and Gateway - that could be the basis of a great TV show, people get in the ship and it goes where it goes. Would be a platform for different directors and screenwriters, because they all go different places.
The definition of humanity when your consciousness is uploaded to the cloud, the future of medicine, and Gateway - that could be the basis of a great TV show, people get in the ship and it goes where it goes. Would be a platform for different directors and screenwriters, because they all go different places.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:48 AM (HV1LS)
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Have not received it yet. Which e-mail address did you send it to?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:45 AM (WPSd5)
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aos hq book thread geemail.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:45 AM (WPSd5)
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aos hq book thread geemail.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:48 AM (PhYV5)
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I got halfway through The Screwtape Letters, set it down, and haven't gone back to it yet. It's not the kind of book to read while half asleep- for me, anyway- because of the need to translate/invert everything Screwtape says.
Posted by: right wing yankee at March 26, 2017 09:48 AM (26lkV)
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No, I haven't. This is one I haven't even heard of.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:43 AM (WPSd5)
Kind of a biography of Mohammed derived from the quran, hadith and sura. Mo was pretty hard on scribes.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:43 AM (WPSd5)
Kind of a biography of Mohammed derived from the quran, hadith and sura. Mo was pretty hard on scribes.
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:50 AM (x9c8r)
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Zane Grey
Whenever I mention liking Zane Grey, someone always brings up Louis L'Armour. Grey was a romantic, and his stories are morality tales about ordinary men and women, stalwart yeomen not of noble birth, confronting bad men and difficult circumstances. Grey's heroes are good honest people, who work hard. His stories reinforced the morality that my parents, and extended family, were teaching me; work hard, play fair, be a good boy scout.
Grey wrote about my ancestors who farmed in New York when the land west of the Hudson River was Indian territory. When New York colony became too crowded, my ancestors again moved west into the wilderness of Ohio and Michigan before they were even territories under the protection of a newly founded United States. Zane Grey wrote about those people, my people; fictional accounts of real events and real people.
I got my first pair of eyeglasses while in the fourth grade, and I don't remember reading Zane Grey with my new glasses. I probably did, maybe even into the fifth grade. I don't remember much about fifth grade, but sixth grade I read my first science fiction story and that changed everything.
Grey's stories resonate with me in a way that L'Armour does not. L'Armour wrote about outlaws and amoral, ambitious men. I admit to reading only a small sample of L'Armour's work. Just finished, "The Rider of Ruby Hills" (ASIN: B01HP8PICO). A lot of twists and turns, and a long list of characters to keep straight. It is only the second or third L'Armour book that I've even started. In the wiki biography of L'Armour they mention 'Social Darwinism', you should read about that also.
You should read the wiki biography of both men, and while you are there, Jack London, and Edgar Allen Poe. I enjoyed London's "White Fang", "Call of the Wild", his tales of the north, and his pacific island adventure stories but I did not know anything about the man, Jack London. His wiki biography was a surprise to me.
When I go into an area that Zane Grey wrote about, I feel it. Northern Arizona, and upstate New York, especially. It feels like home to me, until I talk with the people who live there, and then I understand why my ancestors kept moving west.
Whenever I mention liking Zane Grey, someone always brings up Louis L'Armour. Grey was a romantic, and his stories are morality tales about ordinary men and women, stalwart yeomen not of noble birth, confronting bad men and difficult circumstances. Grey's heroes are good honest people, who work hard. His stories reinforced the morality that my parents, and extended family, were teaching me; work hard, play fair, be a good boy scout.
Grey wrote about my ancestors who farmed in New York when the land west of the Hudson River was Indian territory. When New York colony became too crowded, my ancestors again moved west into the wilderness of Ohio and Michigan before they were even territories under the protection of a newly founded United States. Zane Grey wrote about those people, my people; fictional accounts of real events and real people.
I got my first pair of eyeglasses while in the fourth grade, and I don't remember reading Zane Grey with my new glasses. I probably did, maybe even into the fifth grade. I don't remember much about fifth grade, but sixth grade I read my first science fiction story and that changed everything.
Grey's stories resonate with me in a way that L'Armour does not. L'Armour wrote about outlaws and amoral, ambitious men. I admit to reading only a small sample of L'Armour's work. Just finished, "The Rider of Ruby Hills" (ASIN: B01HP8PICO). A lot of twists and turns, and a long list of characters to keep straight. It is only the second or third L'Armour book that I've even started. In the wiki biography of L'Armour they mention 'Social Darwinism', you should read about that also.
You should read the wiki biography of both men, and while you are there, Jack London, and Edgar Allen Poe. I enjoyed London's "White Fang", "Call of the Wild", his tales of the north, and his pacific island adventure stories but I did not know anything about the man, Jack London. His wiki biography was a surprise to me.
When I go into an area that Zane Grey wrote about, I feel it. Northern Arizona, and upstate New York, especially. It feels like home to me, until I talk with the people who live there, and then I understand why my ancestors kept moving west.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 09:50 AM (+Cb51)
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Longtime lurker here. My book review: Tier One by Brian Andrews and Jeffrey Wilson. A veteran Navy SEAL is recruited into a black ops unit that answers only to the president, in order to take down a terrorist organization funded by a seemingly conciliatory Iran.
The action is fast paced and believable. The characters are well drawn and interesting. The authors seem to know their stuff when it comes to military jargon and more importantly, the way actual warriors talk. Recommended for fans of military adventure fiction.
The action is fast paced and believable. The characters are well drawn and interesting. The authors seem to know their stuff when it comes to military jargon and more importantly, the way actual warriors talk. Recommended for fans of military adventure fiction.
Posted by: LordDilly at March 26, 2017 09:52 AM (pPSjT)
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Where's your crown, Rex Nihilo?
Posted by: Metallica at March 26, 2017 09:52 AM (NBHj5)
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aos hq book thread geemail.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:48 AM (PhYV5)
Nope, don't see it. Weird. Try resending it to my OregonMuse yahoo e-mail addy.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:48 AM (PhYV5)
Nope, don't see it. Weird. Try resending it to my OregonMuse yahoo e-mail addy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:53 AM (WPSd5)
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Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2017 09:47 AM (5Yee7)
Didn't read the source book but I love that movie. If you want to read a book on what mercenary work may look like in the future I recommend The Profession by Steven Pressfield.
Didn't read the source book but I love that movie. If you want to read a book on what mercenary work may look like in the future I recommend The Profession by Steven Pressfield.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 09:53 AM (IDPbH)
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PKD's a great high concept type of author, which is why Hollywood likes the "hook" behind his writings.
And why they mostly use his short stories for movies, where they can spin off a Hollywood version of the central high concept.
But, PKD's best novels like "UBIK" or "The Three Stigmata of Eldritch Palmer" or "The Martian Time-Slip" are almost unfilmable due to the constant shifting of reality and identity...
Or so I thought, until-
I started watching the series "Legion" on FX.
It is very much a PKD inspired superhero story, where reality is constantly shifting and things and identities may not be what they seem.
Probably, the best way to handle PKD's best books would be through a limited series,
where you have the time to stretch out a bit in your concept and plot line to allow people to catch up.
So, far for a PKD-inspired series, they've kept things lean and mean with almost zero filler, but still have given the crazy full reign.
I'd love to see "UBIK" for instance, given this treatment.
And why they mostly use his short stories for movies, where they can spin off a Hollywood version of the central high concept.
But, PKD's best novels like "UBIK" or "The Three Stigmata of Eldritch Palmer" or "The Martian Time-Slip" are almost unfilmable due to the constant shifting of reality and identity...
Or so I thought, until-
I started watching the series "Legion" on FX.
It is very much a PKD inspired superhero story, where reality is constantly shifting and things and identities may not be what they seem.
Probably, the best way to handle PKD's best books would be through a limited series,
where you have the time to stretch out a bit in your concept and plot line to allow people to catch up.
So, far for a PKD-inspired series, they've kept things lean and mean with almost zero filler, but still have given the crazy full reign.
I'd love to see "UBIK" for instance, given this treatment.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 26, 2017 09:53 AM (9q7Dl)
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So this pulp sci-fi novel has "buxom bounty hunters" in it but when you go to amazon to see the cover art all you get is some dude and a robot.
That is not how you do pulp cover art.
That is not how you do pulp cover art.
Posted by: DM at March 26, 2017 09:54 AM (garNZ)
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Kind of a biography of Mohammed derived from the quran, hadith and sura. Mo was pretty hard on scribes.
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:50 AM (x9c8r)
Thank you, I may have to look into this one.
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:50 AM (x9c8r)
Thank you, I may have to look into this one.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:54 AM (WPSd5)
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There's been very little writing this week, because I'm getting over a cold. On the reading front, I got through Charlotte Bronte's Villette, which is a hugely depressing book. Oh, and, half the dialogue is in French. I only retained some of my high school French, so I had to run for the French/English dictionary every few lines. Not very conducive to smooth reading.
I also started Georgette Heyer's The Toll Gate, because, well, it's Heyer. It's hard to believe she was writing in the early 1900s; her books have a very timeless feel to them.
Xenophon's Art of Horsemanship was also on the list for this week. I only got a few pages into it, but it's fun to see how ideas from 2000 years ago can be applied to today. A horse is a horse is a horse, I guess, and what makes a good horse hasn't changed much.
I also started Georgette Heyer's The Toll Gate, because, well, it's Heyer. It's hard to believe she was writing in the early 1900s; her books have a very timeless feel to them.
Xenophon's Art of Horsemanship was also on the list for this week. I only got a few pages into it, but it's fun to see how ideas from 2000 years ago can be applied to today. A horse is a horse is a horse, I guess, and what makes a good horse hasn't changed much.
Posted by: right wing yankee at March 26, 2017 09:54 AM (26lkV)
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Lurker here delurking for a moment...
*puts on a reasonably laundered pair of delurking pants*...
I'd like to recommend Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. It's got a little bit of everything: time travel, ghosts, electric monks, and dodo birds. It's also a good intro into the world of Douglas Adams, which means its packed with hilarious British dry wit.
*puts on a reasonably laundered pair of delurking pants*...
I'd like to recommend Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. It's got a little bit of everything: time travel, ghosts, electric monks, and dodo birds. It's also a good intro into the world of Douglas Adams, which means its packed with hilarious British dry wit.
Posted by: 144 at March 26, 2017 09:54 AM (21dSF)
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For those interested in the classics of Greece and Rome, I learned that some of the Loeb Classical Library is being produced specifically for e-readers. And they are inexpensive: a buck or two. These are the editions published in the 1920 that are still popular and are considered standard translations. Each book has the translated text, the original Greek or Latin, and a third section of the original language opposite the translation.
At the moment, they offer Appolonius's Argonautica and three volumes of Appian's Roman History. I believe there are more to come.
At the moment, they offer Appolonius's Argonautica and three volumes of Appian's Roman History. I believe there are more to come.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 09:57 AM (V+03K)
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L'Amour would probably make better movies because more action.
Grey would be more like Josey Wales.
Grey would be more like Josey Wales.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 09:58 AM (+Cb51)
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The future does not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.
Posted by: Sharia LaBeouf at March 26, 2017 09:59 AM (vRcUp)
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The Tragedy of American Compassion by Marvin Olasky is a great read for anyone who wants to see what charity in America looked like before the government got involved and began building the welfare state that we live under today. Olasky discusses the ways our society has dealt with poverty from colonial times up to the 1980s, and he does a great job of showing how government involvement has generally been a disaster - in terms of effectiveness in combatting poverty and in terms of the detrimental moral effects of people generally taking a step back from solving real problems in their communities because "it's the government's job". The book is well researched and includes tons of specific examples and anecdotes, so its the first book I point people to when they say we need a strong social safety net.
/goes back to lurking/
/goes back to lurking/
Posted by: NotGoodWithNames at March 26, 2017 09:59 AM (8qHlc)
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Good morning, Horde. I picked up a few history books over the weekend from a local used book seller: "Bloody Crimes: The Chase for Jefferson Davis" by James Swanson; "The Dawn's Early Light" by Walter Lord, about the Washington & Baltimore campaign in the War of 1812; "Louisbourg: Key to A Continent" by Fairfax Downey, about the sieges of Louisbourg during the French & Indian Wars; "A Higher Call" by Adam Makos, about a Luftwaffe fighter that escorts a crippled B-17 to safety; and "Operation Mincemeat" by Ben Macintyre, about 'the man who never was' deception in WWII. And I also plan on getting "Death Before Glory" by Martin Howard, about the Napoleon campaigns in the Caribbean before my B&N coupon expires today.
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 10:01 AM (ANIFC)
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What to get/recommend for kids to read seems to come up around here from time to time and for some reason a title from the old days popped into my head.
I wasn't even sure if it was real or not so I looked on Amazon and there it is.
Anyway, I remember reading and enjoying this one when I was a kid.
I think the ending made it stick in my head all these years later.
The Ghost in the Noonday Sun
I wasn't even sure if it was real or not so I looked on Amazon and there it is.
Anyway, I remember reading and enjoying this one when I was a kid.
I think the ending made it stick in my head all these years later.
The Ghost in the Noonday Sun
Posted by: weirdflunky at March 26, 2017 10:03 AM (r/lvo)
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Sick used iching. To write man in the high castle. The plot points where decided by lot. Which is why it seems kind of pointless.
That's kind of interesting.
That's kind of interesting.
Posted by: Simplemind at March 26, 2017 10:05 AM (ZuGkg)
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the detrimental moral effects of people generally taking a step back from solving real problems in their communities because "it's the government's job".Posted by: NotGoodWithNames at March 26, 2017 09:59 AM (8qHlc)
That's something I've been thinking a lot about. And, on the other side of that equation, the detrimental effects of receiving aid from the government rather than from community organizations.
I think when people are receiving aid from neighbors and local organizations, there is more shame involved. That is not a bad thing--my theory is that the shame would prompt a person to try to overcome as quickly as possible and not be a burden on others.
That's something I've been thinking a lot about. And, on the other side of that equation, the detrimental effects of receiving aid from the government rather than from community organizations.
I think when people are receiving aid from neighbors and local organizations, there is more shame involved. That is not a bad thing--my theory is that the shame would prompt a person to try to overcome as quickly as possible and not be a burden on others.
Posted by: April at March 26, 2017 10:06 AM (e8PP1)
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73, JTB, don't tease. What's the name of the book providing context for the Arabian Nights? That was one of my faves as a kid.
Posted by: Tonestaple at March 26, 2017 10:10 AM (NLPOe)
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Because once you set a story in an alternative universe, you immediately
invite all sorts of questions about the different universe, how did it
get there and what's it all about? And why is such a setting necessary
to tell the story?
PKD can be a little tricky sometimes. I think in this case you did miss what he was up to--a rumination on the nature of reality (the key being the novel-within-a-novel). In which case the fact of the alternate timeline was more central than its details, which the author could be a touch light with anyway.
Moving on: Last summer in this thread I saw recommended Top Dog, by Jerry Jay Carroll, which was on sale on Amazon at that time, and downloaded it to read. Many months later I finally got around to it this past week during doctor visit (for myself now, as it goes). It's a twist on the usual portal fantasy whereupon our protagonist, a rather sharkish Wall Street type, finds himself plopped into another world's battle between good and evil. The twist here being, instead of the usual heroic archetype, he finds himself in the form of a remarkably large dog...the focus is more on the contrast between the protagonist's old life and mindset and the expectations of his new surroundings. It's about character much more than setting as a result. I rather enjoyed it personally.
invite all sorts of questions about the different universe, how did it
get there and what's it all about? And why is such a setting necessary
to tell the story?
PKD can be a little tricky sometimes. I think in this case you did miss what he was up to--a rumination on the nature of reality (the key being the novel-within-a-novel). In which case the fact of the alternate timeline was more central than its details, which the author could be a touch light with anyway.
Moving on: Last summer in this thread I saw recommended Top Dog, by Jerry Jay Carroll, which was on sale on Amazon at that time, and downloaded it to read. Many months later I finally got around to it this past week during doctor visit (for myself now, as it goes). It's a twist on the usual portal fantasy whereupon our protagonist, a rather sharkish Wall Street type, finds himself plopped into another world's battle between good and evil. The twist here being, instead of the usual heroic archetype, he finds himself in the form of a remarkably large dog...the focus is more on the contrast between the protagonist's old life and mindset and the expectations of his new surroundings. It's about character much more than setting as a result. I rather enjoyed it personally.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, at Provisional Basestar at March 26, 2017 10:11 AM (66CWr)
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Wifey and I have Legion as one of the few shows we watch (right now that list consists of Legion, FaceOff, and Major Crimes).
Saying Legion is PKD inspired? I can see it, I guess. Influenced certainly, but no direct link into source material that I am aware of (but that doesn't mean much).
Watching Legion I think a few things: First, they can't keep up this level of production value, it has to be dreadfully expensive. Second, there is a lot of WTF in it - and they are plenty okay with letting something left hanging in an episode go until the episode after next to get resolved or even explained. They are as unconstrained by time boundaries in the presentation as reality is unconstrained in the story, with episodes of an hour-ish. Oh, and only 8 episodes in the season! They are certainly taking risks and breaking TV show protocols - I hope it is successful, but it seems like it might be more suited for an HBO or Netflix or Amazon than a basic cable channel. I think that binge watching it might be a better way to consume it than waiting each week - but I may be wrong about that. Back in the day I was travelling a lot, so I got 24 on DVD from netflix and would binge watch it, and the series did not work that way. Too much adrenaline! It wore you out. And you saw inconsistencies in the story line that you might have forgotten about if episodes were 2 or 3 weeks apart, but if you just saw it a couple of hours ago....
But I digress. I like Legion, I don't know how much mass market appeal it will pick up, it's certainly different from other Marvel Universe stuff. I read there will be a season 2. I hope that the suits don't enforce regular TV protocols onto it....
Saying Legion is PKD inspired? I can see it, I guess. Influenced certainly, but no direct link into source material that I am aware of (but that doesn't mean much).
Watching Legion I think a few things: First, they can't keep up this level of production value, it has to be dreadfully expensive. Second, there is a lot of WTF in it - and they are plenty okay with letting something left hanging in an episode go until the episode after next to get resolved or even explained. They are as unconstrained by time boundaries in the presentation as reality is unconstrained in the story, with episodes of an hour-ish. Oh, and only 8 episodes in the season! They are certainly taking risks and breaking TV show protocols - I hope it is successful, but it seems like it might be more suited for an HBO or Netflix or Amazon than a basic cable channel. I think that binge watching it might be a better way to consume it than waiting each week - but I may be wrong about that. Back in the day I was travelling a lot, so I got 24 on DVD from netflix and would binge watch it, and the series did not work that way. Too much adrenaline! It wore you out. And you saw inconsistencies in the story line that you might have forgotten about if episodes were 2 or 3 weeks apart, but if you just saw it a couple of hours ago....
But I digress. I like Legion, I don't know how much mass market appeal it will pick up, it's certainly different from other Marvel Universe stuff. I read there will be a season 2. I hope that the suits don't enforce regular TV protocols onto it....
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:11 AM (HV1LS)
Posted by: Kindltot at March 26, 2017 10:13 AM (0hI48)
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90 The future does not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.
Posted by: Sharia LaBeouf at March 26, 2017 09:59 AM (vRcUp)
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Speaking of such, story on Drudge about a couple in Atlanta who want to name their daughter Allah. That is give Allah as her last name. The state said, uhm, fuck that, a last name has to be a parent's last name. No birth certificate for you!!
Of course the ACLU is suing.
Here's the best part....one of the "hardships" the ACLU is claiming is that the family had to cancel a trip to Mexico because they can't get a passport for her. And the other hardship, they can't collect SNAP or Medicaid for the girl.
So they have enough money to go to Mexico for a fun filled vacation, while needing Medicaid and SNAP.
America in 2017 ladies and Gentlemen.
Posted by: Sharia LaBeouf at March 26, 2017 09:59 AM (vRcUp)
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Speaking of such, story on Drudge about a couple in Atlanta who want to name their daughter Allah. That is give Allah as her last name. The state said, uhm, fuck that, a last name has to be a parent's last name. No birth certificate for you!!
Of course the ACLU is suing.
Here's the best part....one of the "hardships" the ACLU is claiming is that the family had to cancel a trip to Mexico because they can't get a passport for her. And the other hardship, they can't collect SNAP or Medicaid for the girl.
So they have enough money to go to Mexico for a fun filled vacation, while needing Medicaid and SNAP.
America in 2017 ladies and Gentlemen.
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 26, 2017 10:14 AM (vsYKI)
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Read "The Dreamers" from Isak Dinesen's Seven Gothic Tales. Lots of stories within stories as the narrator is trying to track down this hawt piece of trim who mysteriously disappeared and has this cryptic jooooo associate that the lovelorn shnook can't figure out. On the trip he encounters a couple other cock hounds who seem to be looking for the same tease. They ultimately find her on a snowy mountain in a perils of Pauline scene along with her swarthy accomplice. Turns out she was a former opera singer who was renowned until she lost her voice in a fire. Since her identity as a performer became her persona, she decided to live multiple lives as different entities and the three hounds were her audience. It was a well told tale.
In "The Commodore" by Patrick O'Brian, Aubrey and Maturin are wrapping things up at home before setting off on a major undertaking against slave states.
In Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire John Cantacuzene has just stepped down in favor of John Palaelogus; Cantacuzene never really wanted the job but was forced into it as the only person who could hold the shit show together after the massive prior fuckups. Unfortunately Gibbon can be so fucking confusing in his narration, and has such an anti Christian bias, that I have to continually consult John Julius Norwich's excellent Byzantium: The Decline and Fall to figure out just WTF really happened.
In "The Commodore" by Patrick O'Brian, Aubrey and Maturin are wrapping things up at home before setting off on a major undertaking against slave states.
In Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire John Cantacuzene has just stepped down in favor of John Palaelogus; Cantacuzene never really wanted the job but was forced into it as the only person who could hold the shit show together after the massive prior fuckups. Unfortunately Gibbon can be so fucking confusing in his narration, and has such an anti Christian bias, that I have to continually consult John Julius Norwich's excellent Byzantium: The Decline and Fall to figure out just WTF really happened.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 26, 2017 10:14 AM (y7DUB)
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I think when people are receiving aid from neighbors
and local organizations, there is more shame involved. That is not a
bad thing--my theory is that the shame would prompt a person to try to
overcome as quickly as possible and not be a burden on others.
Posted by: April at March 26, 2017 10:06 AM (e8PP1)
Agreed...but in addition to shame I think there is the personal connection that signals quite vehemently that, "We care, and we are watching you."
It's not an anonymous drone behind a glass-enclosed counter: It's your neighbor, or at least someone with whom you share some commonalities. Disappointing him is a much bigger deal than disappointing a faceless government bureaucrat.
and local organizations, there is more shame involved. That is not a
bad thing--my theory is that the shame would prompt a person to try to
overcome as quickly as possible and not be a burden on others.
Posted by: April at March 26, 2017 10:06 AM (e8PP1)
Agreed...but in addition to shame I think there is the personal connection that signals quite vehemently that, "We care, and we are watching you."
It's not an anonymous drone behind a glass-enclosed counter: It's your neighbor, or at least someone with whom you share some commonalities. Disappointing him is a much bigger deal than disappointing a faceless government bureaucrat.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2017 10:14 AM (rF0hx)
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Another series that was fun: Stainless Steel Rat. Crossing threads, that could have been good movie material.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:39 AM (HV1LS)
Harry Harrison said in an interview that he made a good sideline out of selling the movie rights to The Stainless Steel Rat. He'd sell the rights, they'd expire, and he'd sell them again.
Man had the soul of an editor, I think.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 09:39 AM (HV1LS)
Harry Harrison said in an interview that he made a good sideline out of selling the movie rights to The Stainless Steel Rat. He'd sell the rights, they'd expire, and he'd sell them again.
Man had the soul of an editor, I think.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 26, 2017 10:15 AM (0hI48)
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If someone has a strong stomach and is not prone to nightmares, my recommended three books right now would be (chrono order):
Canticle for Leibowitz
Camp of the Saints
Fallen Angels
How is that for a trifecta of horror?
Canticle for Leibowitz
Camp of the Saints
Fallen Angels
How is that for a trifecta of horror?
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 10:15 AM (MIKMs)
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re: Camp of the Saints. I haven't read it yet but I ordered it from Amazon...can't get it anywhere else. Anyway, it is beyond interesting to read AoSHQ members highly recommend a book and then notice that the top five most recent Amazon reviews utterly denounce it as bigoted trash.
I have a good feeling about this book.
I have a good feeling about this book.
Posted by: squeakywheel at March 26, 2017 10:21 AM (dzorZ)
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78 ... Skandia, I wasn't aware that Grey wrote about the New York frontier and similar. I've only read a few of his westerns. Thanks for mentioning it. I'll search out his other books.
Bringing up Grey or L"Amour when the other is mentioned is inevitable as they are both among the best known 'western' writers for most folks.
I've read about L'Amour's background. Do you know of a good biography for Zane Grey?
Bringing up Grey or L"Amour when the other is mentioned is inevitable as they are both among the best known 'western' writers for most folks.
I've read about L'Amour's background. Do you know of a good biography for Zane Grey?
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 10:22 AM (V+03K)
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Speaking of such, story on Drudge about a couple in Atlanta who want to name their daughter Allah. That is give Allah as her last name. The state said, uhm, fuck that, a last name has to be a parent's last name. No birth certificate for you!!
That sounds divisive.
That sounds divisive.
Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 26, 2017 10:23 AM (vRcUp)
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Started reading Neil Gaiman for the first time. Finished The Graveyard Book and am now on Neverwhere.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 26, 2017 10:24 AM (ppaKI)
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I would love if Niven went back and rewrote Fallen Angels as a more serious work. It was basically a piece of fan service and spent more time on that than on the story, I thought.
Canticle was put together from multiple novellas, wasn't it? The beginning works better than the end, but you have to wonder how much influence Foundation and Canticle had on each other. But the time period they were written was the Cold War and concern about nuclear armageddon leading to a dark ages, and a priestly order preserving scientific knowledge during the fall was a thing then, I guess.
Canticle was put together from multiple novellas, wasn't it? The beginning works better than the end, but you have to wonder how much influence Foundation and Canticle had on each other. But the time period they were written was the Cold War and concern about nuclear armageddon leading to a dark ages, and a priestly order preserving scientific knowledge during the fall was a thing then, I guess.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:24 AM (HV1LS)
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Do you know of a good biography for Zane Grey?
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No, I don't. Just what I've picked up off the 'net, here and there.
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No, I don't. Just what I've picked up off the 'net, here and there.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:25 AM (+Cb51)
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You know what other well-known author was a CIA field agent? William F. Buckley.
I didn't know that. So if he'd socked that queer Gore Vidal in his god damn face he really would have stayed plastered.
I didn't know that. So if he'd socked that queer Gore Vidal in his god damn face he really would have stayed plastered.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 26, 2017 10:25 AM (0mRoj)
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I'm only a semi-lurker but here is a quickie review of a book. When our host asks for something, we really ought to jump through hoops- OM does a fantastic amount of work on the Book Thread every week.
The Salarian Desert Game by JA MacLachlan
Book 2 in a a YA series, The Salarian Desert Game features Kia, a gifted translator who gets bound up in an interstellar intrigue, steals an identity of a dead girl, and gets dumped in a deadly desert with other fifteen year old girls. The girls' goal is to bond together in an ancient tradition; Kia's goal is to keep them alive with deadly alien scorpions, snakes, and humans out for their blood.
Clean writing with a minimum of PC.
The Salarian Desert Game by JA MacLachlan
Book 2 in a a YA series, The Salarian Desert Game features Kia, a gifted translator who gets bound up in an interstellar intrigue, steals an identity of a dead girl, and gets dumped in a deadly desert with other fifteen year old girls. The girls' goal is to bond together in an ancient tradition; Kia's goal is to keep them alive with deadly alien scorpions, snakes, and humans out for their blood.
Clean writing with a minimum of PC.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at March 26, 2017 10:25 AM (L0bUn)
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One genre I enjoy is historical fiction. Last week I finished the first of 3 books from the Revolutionary War, by William Forstchen and Newt Gingrich, To Try Men's Souls. The story is about the Battle of Trenton and events leading up to it including the crossing of the Delaware River on Christmas Eve. Events are shown through 3 main characters, George Washington, Thomas Paine (who apparently actually marched with the Army) and a young New Jersey militiaman. While fictionalized, it brought to me much more understanding of the events, the suffering of the men that winter (the few who remained in the army), their sheer guts and perseverance and the absolute miracle of the victory at Trenton. I am looking forward to the next book Valley Forge.
Posted by: George V at March 26, 2017 10:26 AM (LUHWu)
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PKD actually wrote a screenplay for "Ubik", although of course it was never made. He had an interesting idea as far as production went; it was that the look of the film (or maybe just the end credits) would become more and more antiquated as the movie went on, until at the very end the film would appear to get stuck in the projector and burn up.
As far as books go, I've been mentioning David Karp's novel "One" to anyone who might be interested. Thought it was kind of unnerving because the dystopia it depicts seems more realistic in a way than the ones in "1984" and "Brave New World"-- a Benevolent State run by social workers and bureaucrats who "only want to he'p yew". Individualism is considered a mental illness (probably somewhere on the autism spectrum), and even most of the individualists themselves want to be "cured". It reminded me of C. S. Lewis' remark about a tyranny set up for the good of its subjects...
As far as books go, I've been mentioning David Karp's novel "One" to anyone who might be interested. Thought it was kind of unnerving because the dystopia it depicts seems more realistic in a way than the ones in "1984" and "Brave New World"-- a Benevolent State run by social workers and bureaucrats who "only want to he'p yew". Individualism is considered a mental illness (probably somewhere on the autism spectrum), and even most of the individualists themselves want to be "cured". It reminded me of C. S. Lewis' remark about a tyranny set up for the good of its subjects...
Posted by: Golem14 at March 26, 2017 10:26 AM (TuG4U)
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Fallen Angels, definitely. I brought this one up on a science fiction discussion at work and while the majority nodded and said yup, very prescient, it was interesting that the naysayers really hate it. Like, it's Reagan-era anti-science (!) Cold War paranoia!!!11!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 10:27 AM (PhYV5)
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Since it's de-lurk day, I'll chime in! I read the book thread every week and especially love the pictures of moron libraries. My guilty reading pleasure of late has been Patricia Wentworth. Yes, most of the books are bonbons, definitely "cozy" mysteries--no danger that anything really bad will happen to the main characters--but the language is genuine fine British English, and the plots move right along. I especially like the books written in the 1930s and during WWII. The give a flavor of the reality of life in England at that time. Many of these now available on Kindle.
Posted by: Emily at March 26, 2017 10:27 AM (mr+ga)
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Finished "Atlas Shrugged" a week or so ago.
I heard too much about it to ignore its monstrous presence on my bookshelf any longer.
Loved it, but it was a chore to read. There were so many instances where Rand is pouring her (philosophical) heart
out as an author, only to leave the actual character in the book blathering along with plenty of time to sit, ponder, and blather yet the book's theme is (arguably) about actual accomplishments rather than blather.
So, it is highly recommended as a guide to understanding even today's current events, because the themes and political double-speak on display erect a timeless portrayal of how different types of humans ( personalities..not ethnicities, specifically) fare in different socioeconomic situations.
The actions and reactions borne from different types of thinking and the suubsequent outcomes provide a glimpse into the motivations behind these characters and how their successes and failures could be tracked accordingly.
Of course, "failure" and "success" are objective by certain worldly standards whereas others are more subjective. Rand does a thorough job of explaining to the rational mind the pitfalls of being irrational.
So, since then, needing a lighter note I have found a hardback "Adventures of Tom Sawyer"
and also picked up "The Art of the Deal".
I've read the first 50 or so pages of each of these, and having more fun with the Sawyer kid.
Twain commands the heart with laughter.
Society benefiits society, but I find it's the individuals that benefit individuals best.
Happy Reading, Morons!!
I heard too much about it to ignore its monstrous presence on my bookshelf any longer.
Loved it, but it was a chore to read. There were so many instances where Rand is pouring her (philosophical) heart
out as an author, only to leave the actual character in the book blathering along with plenty of time to sit, ponder, and blather yet the book's theme is (arguably) about actual accomplishments rather than blather.
So, it is highly recommended as a guide to understanding even today's current events, because the themes and political double-speak on display erect a timeless portrayal of how different types of humans ( personalities..not ethnicities, specifically) fare in different socioeconomic situations.
The actions and reactions borne from different types of thinking and the suubsequent outcomes provide a glimpse into the motivations behind these characters and how their successes and failures could be tracked accordingly.
Of course, "failure" and "success" are objective by certain worldly standards whereas others are more subjective. Rand does a thorough job of explaining to the rational mind the pitfalls of being irrational.
So, since then, needing a lighter note I have found a hardback "Adventures of Tom Sawyer"
and also picked up "The Art of the Deal".
I've read the first 50 or so pages of each of these, and having more fun with the Sawyer kid.
Twain commands the heart with laughter.
Society benefiits society, but I find it's the individuals that benefit individuals best.
Happy Reading, Morons!!
Posted by: Orange Mule at March 26, 2017 10:29 AM (E6q3l)
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No, I don't. Just what I've picked up off the 'net, here and there.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:25 AM (+Cb51)
Zane Grey was descended from Ebenezer Zane (see Zanesville Oh.) frontiersman and builder of the National Road.....prolly influenced some of his work.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:25 AM (+Cb51)
Zane Grey was descended from Ebenezer Zane (see Zanesville Oh.) frontiersman and builder of the National Road.....prolly influenced some of his work.
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 10:30 AM (x9c8r)
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The Frontier Trilogy by Zane Grey (Haycyon Classics)
ASIN: B0049P23ES
$1.99 on the kindle.
Life on the Ohio frontier (Lewis Wetzel is mentioned. He was a famous frontier man, Indian fighter.)
ASIN: B0049P23ES
$1.99 on the kindle.
Life on the Ohio frontier (Lewis Wetzel is mentioned. He was a famous frontier man, Indian fighter.)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:30 AM (+Cb51)
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81 aos hq book thread geemail.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:48 AM (PhYV5)
Nope, don't see it. Weird. Try resending it to my OregonMuse yahoo e-mail addy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:53 AM (WPSd5)
Both e-mails have arrived, thank you. Looks like a nice chess set.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 09:48 AM (PhYV5)
Nope, don't see it. Weird. Try resending it to my OregonMuse yahoo e-mail addy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 09:53 AM (WPSd5)
Both e-mails have arrived, thank you. Looks like a nice chess set.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:30 AM (WPSd5)
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De-lurk? That's what she said.
Posted by: Fewenuff at March 26, 2017 10:31 AM (gHE26)
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De-lurking as ordered
Skandia: chargeless Kindle! Me too. Hilarious
Anyway currently reading The Number of the Beast by Heinlein. Ugh dialogue in beginning is awful. Anyone know if this book gets better? I loved Stranger many years ago. Maybe he's always been meh and now I see it. Also reading Dante as I feel it is a bucket list duty and I am nearing half century. (Sadz)
Carry on
Skandia: chargeless Kindle! Me too. Hilarious
Anyway currently reading The Number of the Beast by Heinlein. Ugh dialogue in beginning is awful. Anyone know if this book gets better? I loved Stranger many years ago. Maybe he's always been meh and now I see it. Also reading Dante as I feel it is a bucket list duty and I am nearing half century. (Sadz)
Carry on
Posted by: (not) Lurking Queen at March 26, 2017 10:31 AM (5oWLH)
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Obviously the e-mails went through the Kremlin first.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (PhYV5)
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I've been on a kick of reading the books from which movies were based.
So far and in no particular order (since I really don't remember)
True Grit (awesome)
Right Stuff (double plus awesome)
Starship troopers (always heard it was good)
Master and Commander
The Haunting
2001: A space odyssey
We were soldiers once and young
Blackhawk down
Band of Brothers
I, Claudius
1984
I'm wrapping up 2001. Thinking about Full Metal Jacket next.
Any suggestions?
So far and in no particular order (since I really don't remember)
True Grit (awesome)
Right Stuff (double plus awesome)
Starship troopers (always heard it was good)
Master and Commander
The Haunting
2001: A space odyssey
We were soldiers once and young
Blackhawk down
Band of Brothers
I, Claudius
1984
I'm wrapping up 2001. Thinking about Full Metal Jacket next.
Any suggestions?
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (xJxz7)
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On Librivox I ran across a novel that was full of bad writing. I'm usually not particular, but this was awful. It was set during the Baron's War, but I think that was only so there could be the threat of the female characters being sent to a convent if they didn't do as their parents wanted (or in one case, just for their parents to save money). I kept forgetting it was set so far in the past because *nothing* else the character said, thought, or did was consistent with the supposed setting.
It was meant to be a Gothic mystery but, when I skipped ahead to the last chapter, it turned out that I had to go *back* about four chapters for the big reveal of the mystery (yes, there were four or five chapters left to go after the mystery was solved so I decided I would find something different to listen to). My guess is that books like this are what gave Victorian novels such a bad name.
It was meant to be a Gothic mystery but, when I skipped ahead to the last chapter, it turned out that I had to go *back* about four chapters for the big reveal of the mystery (yes, there were four or five chapters left to go after the mystery was solved so I decided I would find something different to listen to). My guess is that books like this are what gave Victorian novels such a bad name.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (sEDyY)
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Life on the Ohio frontier (Lewis Wetzel is mentioned. He was a famous frontier man, Indian fighter colonialist, white supremacist, exploiter, and ruthless oppressor.)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:30 AM (+Cb51)
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Adjusted for political correctness.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:30 AM (+Cb51)
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Adjusted for political correctness.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (WPSd5)
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@122 I read Number of the Beast and really liked it...when I was in High School. I don't know how well it has aged. Maybe better than I have, I don't know.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (HV1LS)
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Regarding Man in the High Castle, I know some people really dig that alternate history stuff, but it appeals to me not at all. I only took a chance on the Amazon series because some of their other dramas are so well done.
By the time the first series concluded, I decided I hated it. I thought it was over, that the series was done, but apparently not. I cannot imagine wanting to read the damn book, and I'm surely not going to bother with the second series.
I really would like to know the point. This alternate reality nonsense. I really would. I don't.
By the time the first series concluded, I decided I hated it. I thought it was over, that the series was done, but apparently not. I cannot imagine wanting to read the damn book, and I'm surely not going to bother with the second series.
I really would like to know the point. This alternate reality nonsense. I really would. I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (Pz4pT)
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Just thinking about Starship Troopers and Full Metal Jacket.
I wrote yesterday that FMJ was like 2 movies tangentially related.
ST (the book) is almost exactly like that. There is the part about basic training, and there is the part about warfare. Different stories.
I wrote yesterday that FMJ was like 2 movies tangentially related.
ST (the book) is almost exactly like that. There is the part about basic training, and there is the part about warfare. Different stories.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:35 AM (HV1LS)
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Recently read the Lies of Locke Lamora.
Highly recommended for light fantasy.
About to read Cryptonomicon after it's been sitting on my kindle forever.
Highly recommended for light fantasy.
About to read Cryptonomicon after it's been sitting on my kindle forever.
Posted by: NJRob at March 26, 2017 10:35 AM (u73cy)
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Obviously the e-mails went through the Kremlin first.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (PhYV5)I was thinking NSA, but eh, same thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (PhYV5)I was thinking NSA, but eh, same thing.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:36 AM (WPSd5)
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OM...have you ever read "Prophet of Doom"? by Craig Winn?
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM
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Heh. Just checked that out on Amazon. The reviews are fairly split and "surprise, surprise!" the vast majority of the one-star reviews come from those named Mohammed, Ahmed, Sayed, etc.
So naturally, I will purchase it.
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2017 09:24 AM
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Heh. Just checked that out on Amazon. The reviews are fairly split and "surprise, surprise!" the vast majority of the one-star reviews come from those named Mohammed, Ahmed, Sayed, etc.
So naturally, I will purchase it.
Posted by: IrishEi at March 26, 2017 10:36 AM (HiDrR)
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But the time period they were written was the Cold
War and concern about nuclear armageddon leading to a dark ages, and a
priestly order preserving scientific knowledge during the fall was a
thing then, I guess. Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:24 AM (HV1LS)
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How much time do we as morons discuss preps to keep knowledge alive? A lot.
War and concern about nuclear armageddon leading to a dark ages, and a
priestly order preserving scientific knowledge during the fall was a
thing then, I guess. Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:24 AM (HV1LS)
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How much time do we as morons discuss preps to keep knowledge alive? A lot.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 10:36 AM (MIKMs)
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Yikes - nails to a table and children kidnapped? Not the sexy James Bond spy life for him!
Another good book written by a Mossad spy is "By Way of Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky. He even includes stories about earlier Mossad shenanigans that he had to study as par of his training.
Another good book written by a Mossad spy is "By Way of Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky. He even includes stories about earlier Mossad shenanigans that he had to study as par of his training.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 10:36 AM (NOIQH)
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I really would like to know the point. This alternate reality nonsense. I really would. I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (Pz4pT)
I kind of don't get the aversion. Fiction is already, by definition, Shit That Didn't Happen. It's all alternate reality. There never was a Sherlock Holmes or Huckleberry Finn, or whatever.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (Pz4pT)
I kind of don't get the aversion. Fiction is already, by definition, Shit That Didn't Happen. It's all alternate reality. There never was a Sherlock Holmes or Huckleberry Finn, or whatever.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 10:38 AM (8nWyX)
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 10:39 AM (MIKMs)
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Claudius the God.
Posted by: mustbequantum
Ooo yes. I should have mentioned I read the pair. Thanks, though.
Posted by: mustbequantum
Ooo yes. I should have mentioned I read the pair. Thanks, though.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 10:40 AM (xJxz7)
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Like, it's Reagan-era anti-science (!) Cold War paranoia!!!11!
Okay, this makes me wonder how said naysayers would react to Anna to the Infinite Power. It is *super* dated on the tech side--it was already showing its age when I read it in HS--but the basic questions about personhood and biological determinism are still completely relevant, maybe even more so now than when it was written.
Okay, this makes me wonder how said naysayers would react to Anna to the Infinite Power. It is *super* dated on the tech side--it was already showing its age when I read it in HS--but the basic questions about personhood and biological determinism are still completely relevant, maybe even more so now than when it was written.
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 10:40 AM (Bbi5h)
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Finished "Forbidden Thoughts", a collection of short stories and one non-fiction that are expressly non-PC. It's uneven as many short story collections are, but some are very good. I'll be looking for other works by A.M. Freeman and L. Jagi Lamplighter. I knew of Brad Torgerson but haven't read anything else he's written (recommendations?). I probably should have read "If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love" before reading the hamburger parody. "World Ablaze" by Jane Lebak is probably my favorite.
Now reading "What Jesus Saw from the Cross" by Antonin Sertillanges for Lent. Pretty good so far.
Now reading "What Jesus Saw from the Cross" by Antonin Sertillanges for Lent. Pretty good so far.
Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at March 26, 2017 10:41 AM (THS4q)
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The Expanse, Leviathan Wakes . Love the show, but the book is great ... differing societies evolved.
A lot of fun. The economics make no sense. Someone has to tell the show audio guys to quit putting rocket exhaust noise in space.
A lot of fun. The economics make no sense. Someone has to tell the show audio guys to quit putting rocket exhaust noise in space.
Posted by: DaveA at March 26, 2017 10:41 AM (FhXTo)
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>>ST (the book) is almost exactly like that. There is the part about
basic training, and there is the part about warfare. Different stories.
I read Starship Troopers right after Lone Survivor, which also 1/2 about Navy SEAL training and 1/2 about operation red wing. Also took some of the fun out of ST because holy sh#t, BUD/S training is intense.
basic training, and there is the part about warfare. Different stories.
I read Starship Troopers right after Lone Survivor, which also 1/2 about Navy SEAL training and 1/2 about operation red wing. Also took some of the fun out of ST because holy sh#t, BUD/S training is intense.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 10:42 AM (NOIQH)
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@126 Oregon Muse
So who do you feel about the movie "The Last of the Mohicans?" the newer version.
Or should I ask how that movie is reviews by the progressive leftists.
@126 Oregon Muse
So who do you feel about the movie "The Last of the Mohicans?" the newer version.
Or should I ask how that movie is reviews by the progressive leftists.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:43 AM (+Cb51)
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I really would like to know the point. This alternate reality nonsense. I really would. I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (Pz4pT)
I kind of don't get the aversion. Fiction is already, by definition, Shit That Didn't Happen. It's all alternate reality. There never was a Sherlock Holmes or Huckleberry Finn, or whatever.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 10:38 AM (8nWyX)
Which is easier for me to swallow. You (the author) invent a guy, give him a background, a conflict, motivations, and a set of tasks to complete.
I can buy into that. But when I have to work it out in my head, that this REAL person, and these real events, somehow went another way? My brain doesn't run that way, so it takes a monumental step for me to switch tracks and try to go with it.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (Pz4pT)
I kind of don't get the aversion. Fiction is already, by definition, Shit That Didn't Happen. It's all alternate reality. There never was a Sherlock Holmes or Huckleberry Finn, or whatever.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 10:38 AM (8nWyX)
Which is easier for me to swallow. You (the author) invent a guy, give him a background, a conflict, motivations, and a set of tasks to complete.
I can buy into that. But when I have to work it out in my head, that this REAL person, and these real events, somehow went another way? My brain doesn't run that way, so it takes a monumental step for me to switch tracks and try to go with it.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:43 AM (Pz4pT)
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I read Thomas Malthus' An Inquiry on the Nature and progress of Rent, which is actually about "profit" and specifically about "profit from agriculture" but also addresses a lot of the current crop of Socialists-in-government theories that profit is bad.
It is densely written, and written in 1810 so it is one of those books that needs to be chewed and re-read. On the plus side it is a 75 page booklet and is free from Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4336
I am now reading the novel Talents, Inc. by Murray Leinster. A planet is facing being conquered by a bloody handed interstellar empire, and as a last gesture the government plans to take up the fleet to fight a hopeless battle believing that this will slake the blood lust of the conquerors. However, using the talents of a group of psionic oddballs, they win the space battle and spend the rest of the book trying to figure out how to surrender to their conquerors now that they have made them vengeful in defeat.
All of this while the actual planets that are under the heel of the conquerors start rebelling
It is densely written, and written in 1810 so it is one of those books that needs to be chewed and re-read. On the plus side it is a 75 page booklet and is free from Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4336
I am now reading the novel Talents, Inc. by Murray Leinster. A planet is facing being conquered by a bloody handed interstellar empire, and as a last gesture the government plans to take up the fleet to fight a hopeless battle believing that this will slake the blood lust of the conquerors. However, using the talents of a group of psionic oddballs, they win the space battle and spend the rest of the book trying to figure out how to surrender to their conquerors now that they have made them vengeful in defeat.
All of this while the actual planets that are under the heel of the conquerors start rebelling
Posted by: Kindltot at March 26, 2017 10:45 AM (0hI48)
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About to read Cryptonomicon after it's been sitting on my kindle forever.
Posted by: NJRob at March 26, 2017 10:35 AM (u73cy)
Do keep us updated as you read it. That one's a little polarizing. Most people tend to really like it, but some people find the narrative style off-putting and it's monstrously dense - there's an entire chapter about the optimal way of eating Cap'n Crunch while watching a ballroom dancing instructional video.
If you do like it, it pays to come back to it a while after you finish it; it's like one of those movies where you never catch everything the first time around.
Posted by: NJRob at March 26, 2017 10:35 AM (u73cy)
Do keep us updated as you read it. That one's a little polarizing. Most people tend to really like it, but some people find the narrative style off-putting and it's monstrously dense - there's an entire chapter about the optimal way of eating Cap'n Crunch while watching a ballroom dancing instructional video.
If you do like it, it pays to come back to it a while after you finish it; it's like one of those movies where you never catch everything the first time around.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 10:46 AM (8nWyX)
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So who do you feel about the movie "The Last of the Mohicans?" the newer version.
Or should I ask how that movie is reviews by the progressive leftists.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:43 AM (+Cb51)
I'm sure somebody knows where it is, but Twain wrote a rather scathing "review" of Cooper (and others of his ilk?) who wrote about the frontier. I'll have to track it down one of these days, because it was funny as hell (of course, it was Twain!), and from what I remember, fairly legitimate in its criticism.
Or should I ask how that movie is reviews by the progressive leftists.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:43 AM (+Cb51)
I'm sure somebody knows where it is, but Twain wrote a rather scathing "review" of Cooper (and others of his ilk?) who wrote about the frontier. I'll have to track it down one of these days, because it was funny as hell (of course, it was Twain!), and from what I remember, fairly legitimate in its criticism.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:46 AM (Pz4pT)
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my theory is that the shame would prompt a person to try to
Shame is neither universal nor linear in response, resentment is.
Shame is neither universal nor linear in response, resentment is.
Posted by: DaveA at March 26, 2017 10:47 AM (FhXTo)
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I can buy into that. But when I have to work it out in my head, that this REAL person, and these real events, somehow went another way? My brain doesn't run that way, so it takes a monumental step for me to switch tracks and try to go with it.
Posted by: BurtTC
I gib you happy ending. Dat real enough for you, soldier boy?
Posted by: BurtTC
I gib you happy ending. Dat real enough for you, soldier boy?
Posted by: Nancy Kwan at March 26, 2017 10:47 AM (vRcUp)
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Long time lurker here:
If you want a light and fun but interesting read, that's not only interesting and fun, but also informative... and fun, buy my book, dammit. It's currently available $1 on Kindle for a limited time. (Paperback on Amazon or CreateSpace for a few bucks more.)
To Save Us All From Ruin - A Muldoon Adventure
WWII, tale of three brothers set on a backdrop of the Anzio invasion.
It's got pie!
http://tinyurl.com/n8kghut
Did I mention it is fun?
And it has pie!
If you want a light and fun but interesting read, that's not only interesting and fun, but also informative... and fun, buy my book, dammit. It's currently available $1 on Kindle for a limited time. (Paperback on Amazon or CreateSpace for a few bucks more.)
To Save Us All From Ruin - A Muldoon Adventure
WWII, tale of three brothers set on a backdrop of the Anzio invasion.
It's got pie!
http://tinyurl.com/n8kghut
Did I mention it is fun?
And it has pie!
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
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"Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses":
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3172/3172-h/3172-h.htm
On my short list of indispensible writing advice.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3172/3172-h/3172-h.htm
On my short list of indispensible writing advice.
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 10:49 AM (Bbi5h)
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Since it's de-lurk day, I'll chime in! I read the book thread every week and especially love the pictures of moron libraries.
Posted by: Emily at March 26, 2017 10:27 AM (mr+ga)
Welcome, Emily! Thank you for the de-lurk.
Posted by: Emily at March 26, 2017 10:27 AM (mr+ga)
Welcome, Emily! Thank you for the de-lurk.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:49 AM (WPSd5)
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If you want a light and fun but interesting read, that's not only interesting and fun, but also informative... and fun, buy my book, dammit. It's currently available $1 on Kindle for a limited time. (Paperback on Amazon or CreateSpace for a few bucks more.)
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
Dang it, Muldoon, why didn't you tell me you were going to do this? I would've announced it.
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
Dang it, Muldoon, why didn't you tell me you were going to do this? I would've announced it.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:50 AM (WPSd5)
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I'm reading Milton's epic poem Paradise Lost. I am soooo glad that I learned about Greek and Roman mythology in high school. Milton uses the G and R myths as the structure against which the story of the fall of man is told. The book includes a nice reference/notes section which is helpful for those stories I either can't remember too well or never learned.
Posted by: squeakywheel at March 26, 2017 10:51 AM (dzorZ)
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Delurking as requested.
I recommend RE McDermott's Under a Telltale Sky and its sequel. Both are entertaining and instructive post EMP novels. In many ways I think the books are much more thoughtful than One Second After for those of us who enjoy post-apocalyptic fiction. For those morons who have Kindle Unlimited, these two novels are included selections.
I recommend RE McDermott's Under a Telltale Sky and its sequel. Both are entertaining and instructive post EMP novels. In many ways I think the books are much more thoughtful than One Second After for those of us who enjoy post-apocalyptic fiction. For those morons who have Kindle Unlimited, these two novels are included selections.
Posted by: RimrockR at March 26, 2017 10:53 AM (41diI)
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Is there a collected edition of Arthur Conan Doyle's short stories (not Sherlock Holmes)?
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 10:53 AM (ANIFC)
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Anyway currently reading The Number of the Beast by Heinlein. Ugh dialogue in beginning is awful. Anyone know if this book gets better? I loved Stranger many years ago. Maybe he's always been meh and now I see it. Also reading Dante as I feel it is a bucket list duty and I am nearing half century. (Sadz)
Carry on
Posted by: (not) Lurking Queen
I have been reading Heinlein since I was a kid in the'60's, and can comfortably say that "The Number of the Beast" is the worst thing he ever wrote.
I think he was sick at the time (he did suffer from a pulmonary circulatory disease in his later years) and this was a book he wrote to make money.
He wrote a couple of books after this, "Friday" (which tied in with "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress") and "J.O.B., A Comedy of Justice" that were pretty good. So I think he got his writing mojo back before he died.
Carry on
Posted by: (not) Lurking Queen
I have been reading Heinlein since I was a kid in the'60's, and can comfortably say that "The Number of the Beast" is the worst thing he ever wrote.
I think he was sick at the time (he did suffer from a pulmonary circulatory disease in his later years) and this was a book he wrote to make money.
He wrote a couple of books after this, "Friday" (which tied in with "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress") and "J.O.B., A Comedy of Justice" that were pretty good. So I think he got his writing mojo back before he died.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 10:54 AM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Kindltot at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (0hI48)
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Ha!
Fenimore Cooper's literary offenses by Mark Twain
twain.lib.virginia.edu
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pksg8mt
and
http://preview.tinyurl.com/l4sb8y6
and on the wiki
Fenimore Cooper's literary offenses by Mark Twain
twain.lib.virginia.edu
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pksg8mt
and
http://preview.tinyurl.com/l4sb8y6
and on the wiki
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (+Cb51)
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>>Do keep us updated as you read it. That one's a little polarizing. Most
people tend to really like it, but some people find the narrative style
off-putting and it's monstrously dense - there's an entire chapter about
the optimal way of eating Cap'n Crunch while watching a ballroom
dancing instructional video.
Ah, so like REAM DE, then?
So dang s-l-o-w in the beginning, but so worth it to get to the rest of the story.
I've had Cryptocomicon on my kindle, too....
people tend to really like it, but some people find the narrative style
off-putting and it's monstrously dense - there's an entire chapter about
the optimal way of eating Cap'n Crunch while watching a ballroom
dancing instructional video.
Ah, so like REAM DE, then?
So dang s-l-o-w in the beginning, but so worth it to get to the rest of the story.
I've had Cryptocomicon on my kindle, too....
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)
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"Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses":
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3172/3172-h/3172-h.htm
On my short list of indispensible writing advice.
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 10:49 AM (Bbi5h)
Your link is cleaner, and easier to read. If folks want to read it, they would be better using your link than mine.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3172/3172-h/3172-h.htm
On my short list of indispensible writing advice.
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 10:49 AM (Bbi5h)
Your link is cleaner, and easier to read. If folks want to read it, they would be better using your link than mine.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (Pz4pT)
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ST (the book) is almost exactly like that. There is
the part about basic training, and there is the part about warfare.
Different stories.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:35 AM (HV1LS)
That is why I preferred the Boys of Company C to Platoon. The development of the young Marines, especially Washington is really pronounced while they were in boot camp, Platoon just thrusts guys into chaos. But Full Metal Jacket is one of the most impressive boot camp storylines ever. R Lee Ermey had been a Marine Drill Instructor and his trained delivery of commentary was all ad lib. Great movie and you can tell if you are watching with a Marine, because we are the ones laughing and smiling.
the part about basic training, and there is the part about warfare.
Different stories.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 10:35 AM (HV1LS)
That is why I preferred the Boys of Company C to Platoon. The development of the young Marines, especially Washington is really pronounced while they were in boot camp, Platoon just thrusts guys into chaos. But Full Metal Jacket is one of the most impressive boot camp storylines ever. R Lee Ermey had been a Marine Drill Instructor and his trained delivery of commentary was all ad lib. Great movie and you can tell if you are watching with a Marine, because we are the ones laughing and smiling.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (7N6ox)
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Almost finished with The Adventures of Gary and Ace in Tahiti- writing it, that is. But, with a whole world out there, this series could go on forever!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (eeTCA)
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Is there a collected edition of Arthur Conan Doyle's short stories (not Sherlock Holmes)?
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 10:53 AM (ANIFC)
I can only suggest going to Gutenberg.org, they may not have it all, but they have stuff I've never seen anywhere else.
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 10:53 AM (ANIFC)
I can only suggest going to Gutenberg.org, they may not have it all, but they have stuff I've never seen anywhere else.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 26, 2017 10:57 AM (0hI48)
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Muldoon, will it still be a dollar tomorrow? I can do a blog post.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 26, 2017 10:58 AM (Om16U)
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So who do you feel about the movie "The Last of the Mohicans?" the newer version.
Or should I ask how that movie is reviews by the progressive leftists.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:43 AM (+Cb51)
That's one movie I never got around to seeing, so I don't know anything about it. But if it's anything like the execrable 'Dances With Wolves', I don't think I want to sit through a couple of hours of non-historial, pc bullsh*t.
Or should I ask how that movie is reviews by the progressive leftists.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:43 AM (+Cb51)
That's one movie I never got around to seeing, so I don't know anything about it. But if it's anything like the execrable 'Dances With Wolves', I don't think I want to sit through a couple of hours of non-historial, pc bullsh*t.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:58 AM (WPSd5)
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Blutarski-esque
Some book recommendations, for good books they made into pretty good movies---though my list may tilt "ette"
Sophie's Choice
Cosmos
Godfather
Atonement
Some book recommendations, for good books they made into pretty good movies---though my list may tilt "ette"
Sophie's Choice
Cosmos
Godfather
Atonement
Posted by: Goldilocks at March 26, 2017 10:59 AM (zz1sH)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:59 AM (+Cb51)
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Willie Nelson, "It's A Long Story" (My Life) is a great read. What a lively mind. Reading his lyrics raw reveals his poetic writing ability. The stories run the gamut, hilarious, sad, revealing, uplifting, touching.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 26, 2017 11:00 AM (3myMJ)
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96 ... Tonestaple, The book is "The Arabian Nights: A Companion" by Robert Irwin. Got a used hardcover which was cheaper than the Kindle version. Haven't started it yet (damn!) but it gets good reviews.
I find the Arabian Nights fascinating, both for the stories and the way it is assembled. It is convoluted, involuted, and every other 'voluted'. Although I have different translations, the one I settled on is the Haddawy version. I think Irwin uses that one for his book.
Like most kids, I knew the 'fairy tale' versions of Ali Baba, Aladdin, and (from Popeye cartoons) Sinbad the Sailor. Reading the unexpurgated versions as an adult is much more satisfying.
I wonder if anyone ever did a comparison between The Canterbury Tales and The Arabian Nights for structure and what they reveal about the cultures of the books? Could be interesting in a nerdy way.
I find the Arabian Nights fascinating, both for the stories and the way it is assembled. It is convoluted, involuted, and every other 'voluted'. Although I have different translations, the one I settled on is the Haddawy version. I think Irwin uses that one for his book.
Like most kids, I knew the 'fairy tale' versions of Ali Baba, Aladdin, and (from Popeye cartoons) Sinbad the Sailor. Reading the unexpurgated versions as an adult is much more satisfying.
I wonder if anyone ever did a comparison between The Canterbury Tales and The Arabian Nights for structure and what they reveal about the cultures of the books? Could be interesting in a nerdy way.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 11:00 AM (V+03K)
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I read "The Man in the High Castle" thirty years ago, so my memory may be faulty, but my main takeaway was that the characters realize through the I-Ching that their reality is a mistake, and that the Allies should have won WWII. A very cool "Whoaaaaa..." moment, which the entire novel leads to.
So, any details about the alternate world are moot, since it's just a colossal fuck-up.
So, any details about the alternate world are moot, since it's just a colossal fuck-up.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 26, 2017 11:00 AM (1ouh3)
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Oregon Muse -- if you want the straight skinny on Islam then you should look for a website called Political Islam. The owner/operator is Dr. Bill Warner, a former scientist & business man. He's got several YouTube videos where he talks about how he approached the problem of explaining Islam using the Koran, the Hadith and the Sira (the Holy Books of Islam). His first videos are about 4 years old. He wasn't used to public speaking then and it shows but he's gotten better over the years. He has a whole series of books on Islam. They're written in a sparse, Hemingway-esque style. Slim little volumes, they're a pretty quick read.
Posted by: Tim at March 26, 2017 11:00 AM (jiQvT)
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Ah, so like REAM DE, then?
So dang s-l-o-w in the beginning, but so worth it to get to the rest of the story.
I've had Cryptocomicon on my kindle, too....
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)
I thought Cryptonomicon was actually easier to get into than REAMDE (which is on my kindle and which I still haven't finished). Same style, just a little more engaging.
So dang s-l-o-w in the beginning, but so worth it to get to the rest of the story.
I've had Cryptocomicon on my kindle, too....
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)
I thought Cryptonomicon was actually easier to get into than REAMDE (which is on my kindle and which I still haven't finished). Same style, just a little more engaging.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 11:01 AM (8nWyX)
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Some book recommendations, for good books they made into pretty good movies---though my list may tilt "ette"
Sophie's Choice
Cosmos
Godfather
Atonement
Posted by: Goldilocks
Thank you!
Sophie's Choice
Cosmos
Godfather
Atonement
Posted by: Goldilocks
Thank you!
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 11:01 AM (xJxz7)
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Okay, I'll delurk.
Book I highly recommend in non-fiction is "On Killng" by Grossman. It's written by a psychologist and retired Army Officer and talks about the psychology and history of killing and various ways modern armies have overcome the barrier of killing fellow people. I learned a lot, like did you know the average rate of infantrymen actually firing at the end was about 20% in WWII? Seems to be true in every war prior to Korea. Really worth a read though I am little uneasy with his last chapter.
Also, shameless plug- while ago I wrote a small book meant to help parents navigate the mental health system, as many of my clients seemed to be grasping at straws to figure out where to even begin. It's an ebook on amazon - "A Parent's Guide to Mental Health"
Book I highly recommend in non-fiction is "On Killng" by Grossman. It's written by a psychologist and retired Army Officer and talks about the psychology and history of killing and various ways modern armies have overcome the barrier of killing fellow people. I learned a lot, like did you know the average rate of infantrymen actually firing at the end was about 20% in WWII? Seems to be true in every war prior to Korea. Really worth a read though I am little uneasy with his last chapter.
Also, shameless plug- while ago I wrote a small book meant to help parents navigate the mental health system, as many of my clients seemed to be grasping at straws to figure out where to even begin. It's an ebook on amazon - "A Parent's Guide to Mental Health"
Posted by: aivanther at March 26, 2017 11:01 AM (KkUrF)
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (MIKMs)
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Actually, I mis-remembered that completely.
"Friday" was a great adventure story written by Heinlein, and I think the last thing he wrote (completed).
"The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" was the story tied into "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", and that too was a later Heinlein book that was pretty good.
But "The Number of the Beast" was still about the worst thing Heinlein every wrote.
"Friday" was a great adventure story written by Heinlein, and I think the last thing he wrote (completed).
"The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" was the story tied into "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", and that too was a later Heinlein book that was pretty good.
But "The Number of the Beast" was still about the worst thing Heinlein every wrote.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (S6Pax)
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Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
Overrated!
Very light on limericks. Very light.
Overrated!
Very light on limericks. Very light.
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Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:43 AM (+Cb51)
That's one movie I never got around to seeing, so I don't know anything about it. But if it's anything like the execrable 'Dances With Wolves', I don't think I want to sit through a couple of hours of non-historial, pc bullsh*t.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:58 AM (WPSd5)
Having never read the books, I cannot say how it compares, but the movie with DD Lewis as the lead, is very good.
No PC bs, as far as I recall.
That's one movie I never got around to seeing, so I don't know anything about it. But if it's anything like the execrable 'Dances With Wolves', I don't think I want to sit through a couple of hours of non-historial, pc bullsh*t.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 10:58 AM (WPSd5)
Having never read the books, I cannot say how it compares, but the movie with DD Lewis as the lead, is very good.
No PC bs, as far as I recall.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:04 AM (Pz4pT)
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Dang it, Muldoon, why didn't you tell me you were going to do this? I would've announced it.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
*****
You told us we had to lurk.
Muldoon, will it still be a dollar tomorrow? I can do a blog post.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at
*****
All next week.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
*****
You told us we had to lurk.
Muldoon, will it still be a dollar tomorrow? I can do a blog post.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at
*****
All next week.
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 11:04 AM (wPiJc)
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"Last of the Mohicans" with Daniel Day Lewis is one of my favorite films.
"Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses" is laugh-out-loud funny.
"Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses" is laugh-out-loud funny.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 26, 2017 11:05 AM (1ouh3)
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josephistan, I'm looking at the Bibliography section on ArthurConanDoyle.com, and I'm not seeing a single "Complete Short Stories" type of book. The non-Holmes omnibus volumes appear to be The Professor Challenger Stories (1959), The Conan Doyle Stories (1929--might be what you're looking for), and The Conan Doyle Historical Romances I (1931) and II (1932), the latter of which includes the two Brigadier Gerard collections.
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 11:06 AM (Bbi5h)
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>>I thought Cryptonomicon was actually easier to get into than
REAMDE (which is on my kindle and which I still haven't finished). Same
style, just a little more engaging.
PHEW! Only trudged through the beginning of REAMDE because I was on a long plane ride.
REAMDE (which is on my kindle and which I still haven't finished). Same
style, just a little more engaging.
PHEW! Only trudged through the beginning of REAMDE because I was on a long plane ride.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 11:06 AM (NOIQH)
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And it has pie!
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
Already read it. The image of a Hamster guided arty shell still makes me laugh.
Waiting for the sequel.
Please!
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
Already read it. The image of a Hamster guided arty shell still makes me laugh.
Waiting for the sequel.
Please!
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 26, 2017 11:06 AM (d76uN)
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That's one movie I never got around to seeing, so I don't know anything about it. But if it's anything like the execrable 'Dances With Wolves', I don't think I want to sit through a couple of hours of non-historial, pc bullsh*t.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
I think it is actually a pretty good movie. Not like "Dances with Kitties"
PC, it is not. Shows the Iriquois doing some pretty monstrous things, but you understand why they did it. Some very good action scenes in it.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
I think it is actually a pretty good movie. Not like "Dances with Kitties"
PC, it is not. Shows the Iriquois doing some pretty monstrous things, but you understand why they did it. Some very good action scenes in it.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:07 AM (S6Pax)
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I've been digging the Frontlines series by Marko Kloos (https://www.amazon.com/Terms-Enlistment-Frontlines-Book-1-ebook/dp/B00CIXX144)
It's a good, modern take on Starship Troopers - messed-up, imperialistic, really alien aliens wants to conquer earth. We're not having it and so we go to interstellar war. Quality military sci-fi, check it out!
It's a good, modern take on Starship Troopers - messed-up, imperialistic, really alien aliens wants to conquer earth. We're not having it and so we go to interstellar war. Quality military sci-fi, check it out!
Posted by: Filthy Scandi Snowbilly at March 26, 2017 11:07 AM (nIJHj)
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Books into pretty good movies/series:
Winnie the Pooh
Cat in the Hat
Curious George
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (MIKMs)
If you mean "Cat in the Hat" cartoon, with Allan Sherman as the cat, then yes. The Mike Meyers live action film was horrible.
Sherman's songs are brilliant.
Winnie the Pooh
Cat in the Hat
Curious George
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (MIKMs)
If you mean "Cat in the Hat" cartoon, with Allan Sherman as the cat, then yes. The Mike Meyers live action film was horrible.
Sherman's songs are brilliant.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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PKDick's The Divine Invasion was the wildest speculative fiction I ever read: What if the creator of the universe chose to enter the mortal plane and manifest itself as a human being? (Hint: You can reach a lot of people by becoming a rock'n'roll superstar.) My verdict at the time was that Matthew, Mark and Luke told the story much better.
I always figured he just happened to pick up a bible while zonked out on mushrooms. But the thought upthread that Dick was a Christian believer never even occurred to me. Now I'll probably need to give it a re-read.
BTW, season two of MitHC makes the Grasshopper films a world-changing plot point. Not just a woozy inspirational metaphor, but useful hard data. Frank Spotnitz is a frickin' plotting genius.
I always figured he just happened to pick up a bible while zonked out on mushrooms. But the thought upthread that Dick was a Christian believer never even occurred to me. Now I'll probably need to give it a re-read.
BTW, season two of MitHC makes the Grasshopper films a world-changing plot point. Not just a woozy inspirational metaphor, but useful hard data. Frank Spotnitz is a frickin' plotting genius.
Posted by: Little Mrs Spellcheck at March 26, 2017 11:09 AM (UfqKz)
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Oops. Hit "Post" before I was done.
Anyway - I read a Cooper novel - "The Prairie", I think - and I thought, "This is the stupidest piece of shit I've ever read." Figured it must be me, because, well, Cooper was famous and revered and all.
Later I discovered "Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses", by the even more famous and revered Mark Twain, and was ecstatic to be vindicated.
Anyway - I read a Cooper novel - "The Prairie", I think - and I thought, "This is the stupidest piece of shit I've ever read." Figured it must be me, because, well, Cooper was famous and revered and all.
Later I discovered "Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses", by the even more famous and revered Mark Twain, and was ecstatic to be vindicated.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 26, 2017 11:10 AM (1ouh3)
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After DT became PDT, I went back to reread sections of Walter Russell Meade's Special Providence. Meade therein categorizes and describes four schools of American foreign policy. The title comes from a quote of Otto von Bismarck - "God grants special Providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America." There are many variants of the quote and earlier versions, but they all center on the inexplicable (to the Europeans) luck of the US. Another Bismarck quote might provide a partial explanation, to the effect that America is lucky as it is bordered north and south by weak neighbors and to the east and west by fish. 9/11 put paid to that comfortable isolation.
PDT? - I think a meld of Hamiltonian mercantile policy and Jacksonian populist and strong military policy - none of the Jeffersonian and Wilsonian positions for him. But a central idea of the book is the need for thorough debate and compromise, which PDT is encountering domestically now.
PDT? - I think a meld of Hamiltonian mercantile policy and Jacksonian populist and strong military policy - none of the Jeffersonian and Wilsonian positions for him. But a central idea of the book is the need for thorough debate and compromise, which PDT is encountering domestically now.
Posted by: chuckR at March 26, 2017 11:10 AM (qS1uX)
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I need some suggestions from you guys. I want to start reading history again, starting with American history, then European, then who knows. Does anyone know of a bibliography that would give me a list of resources that minimize bias or at least that are upfront about the controversies? I just want to avoid wasting time with someone like Howard Zin and not realizing it until I get far along.
Posted by: Last at March 26, 2017 11:11 AM (8HiDF)
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Since y'all are discussing books into movies now, what's the deal on Eight Men Out?
I usually don't care one iota about sports, but I genuiney enjoy almost every sports themed movie I've ever seen.
It's supposed to be raining soon, and I see the the movie is coming on OTA TV at noon. A good day to put on a pot of collards, relax with a movie, or possibly crack open Call Of The Wild again (like I've been promising myself).
I usually don't care one iota about sports, but I genuiney enjoy almost every sports themed movie I've ever seen.
It's supposed to be raining soon, and I see the the movie is coming on OTA TV at noon. A good day to put on a pot of collards, relax with a movie, or possibly crack open Call Of The Wild again (like I've been promising myself).
Posted by: The name... is Dalton at March 26, 2017 11:12 AM (2SERm)
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Shows the Iriquois doing some pretty monstrous things, but you understand why they did it. Some very good action scenes in it.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:07 AM (S6Pax)
Up to a point, regarding the atrocities. In a way, this might be a modern parallel, especially with the discussion we had yesterday about how the left is trying to "use" muzzies as the point of the speer for their overthrow of Western Civ.
The french used the Iroquois against the British, and then had no way to control just how brutal they would become. And ultimately, had the french won, it is hard to see how they could have reined in their native "troops."
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:07 AM (S6Pax)
Up to a point, regarding the atrocities. In a way, this might be a modern parallel, especially with the discussion we had yesterday about how the left is trying to "use" muzzies as the point of the speer for their overthrow of Western Civ.
The french used the Iroquois against the British, and then had no way to control just how brutal they would become. And ultimately, had the french won, it is hard to see how they could have reined in their native "troops."
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:12 AM (Pz4pT)
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I've been on a kick of reading the books from which movies were based. . .
Any suggestions?
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (xJxz7)
******
I thoroughly enjoyed Little Big Man by Thomas Berger.
This is the book that inspired the Dustin Hoffman movie.
I read it several years ago right after reading True Grit. I had just watched the new Jeff Bridges movie and re-watched the John Wayne original. I agree that the book is awesome.
I've been on a kick of reading the books from which movies were based. . .
Any suggestions?
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (xJxz7)
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I thoroughly enjoyed Little Big Man by Thomas Berger.
This is the book that inspired the Dustin Hoffman movie.
I read it several years ago right after reading True Grit. I had just watched the new Jeff Bridges movie and re-watched the John Wayne original. I agree that the book is awesome.
Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at March 26, 2017 11:12 AM (NqQAS)
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If you mean "Cat in the Hat" cartoon, with Allan Sherman as the cat, then yes. The Mike Meyers live action film was horrible.
Sherman's songs are brilliant. Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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Martin Short does a really good job with the new cartoon series.
If you mean "Cat in the Hat" cartoon, with Allan Sherman as the cat, then yes. The Mike Meyers live action film was horrible.
Sherman's songs are brilliant. Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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Martin Short does a really good job with the new cartoon series.
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If you mean "Cat in the Hat" cartoon, with Allan Sherman as the cat, then yes. The Mike Meyers live action film was horrible.
Sherman's songs are brilliant.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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Wait -- Allan "My Son the Folksinger" Sherman was the Cat in the Hat?
How did I not know this?
If you mean "Cat in the Hat" cartoon, with Allan Sherman as the cat, then yes. The Mike Meyers live action film was horrible.
Sherman's songs are brilliant.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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Wait -- Allan "My Son the Folksinger" Sherman was the Cat in the Hat?
How did I not know this?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (PhYV5)
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I am currently immersed in learning about the Amazing Randi.
His debunking of the fraud psychics is both hilarious and fascinating.
He shows how they take simple parlor tricks to the umpteenth degree. Youboob videos mostly.
His debunking of the fraud psychics is both hilarious and fascinating.
He shows how they take simple parlor tricks to the umpteenth degree. Youboob videos mostly.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (5VlCp)
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Also, shameless plug- while ago I wrote a small book meant to help parents navigate the mental health system, as many of my clients seemed to be grasping at straws to figure out where to even begin. It's an ebook on amazon - "A Parent's Guide to Mental Health"
Posted by: aivanther at March 26, 2017 11:01 AM (KkUrF)
I think it's this book here:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O96HMPM/
If you don't mind, I'd like to give your book some pimpage next week.
Posted by: aivanther at March 26, 2017 11:01 AM (KkUrF)
I think it's this book here:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O96HMPM/
If you don't mind, I'd like to give your book some pimpage next week.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (WPSd5)
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Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:12 AM (Pz4pT)
By the way, I'm talking about the film, and not the books, and in no way am I making a claim about how the french (and the British) used natives as combatants in the pre-American revolution wars.
By the way, I'm talking about the film, and not the books, and in no way am I making a claim about how the french (and the British) used natives as combatants in the pre-American revolution wars.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (Pz4pT)
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mngiggle upstairs mentioned Legacy of Heorot, which is awesome and I second that recommendation. It's refreshing - maybe because it's a collaborative effort - to read sci-fi that isn't "this is my fiercely-held political opinion, but in the fuuuuuutuuuuure". Human colonists get in trouble because they wreck up the ecology without understanding it, but they also won't listen to the Cassandra voice of the military advisor and it bites them on the ass. It's also just a really good book. The sequel (Beowulf's Children) is excellent as well. There's a third, but I have been advised to pretend there isn't, and after the whole Dune thing, I'll take that advice.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (8nWyX)
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If you mean "Cat in the Hat" cartoon, with Allan Sherman as the cat, then yes. The Mike Meyers live action film was horrible.
Sherman's songs are brilliant. Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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Martin Short does a really good job with the new cartoon series.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:12 AM (MIKMs)
Oh! I did not know there WAS a new cartoon series.
I'll have to check it out.
Sherman's songs are brilliant. Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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Martin Short does a really good job with the new cartoon series.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:12 AM (MIKMs)
Oh! I did not know there WAS a new cartoon series.
I'll have to check it out.
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Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)
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Wait -- Allan "My Son the Folksinger" Sherman was the Cat in the Hat?
How did I not know this?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (PhYV5)
Full version on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jK6l1WJKUU
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Wait -- Allan "My Son the Folksinger" Sherman was the Cat in the Hat?
How did I not know this?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (PhYV5)
Full version on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jK6l1WJKUU
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:16 AM (Pz4pT)
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119 ... Skandia, Thanks for suggesting the Frontier Trilogy by Zane Grey. Turns out I got it on Kindle a couple of years ago and forgot about it. This happens more and more. SIGH! It goes on the to be read soon list.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 11:17 AM (V+03K)
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Jodhi May alone is worth the price of admission to Last of the Mohicans. From A World Apart right up through Tipping the Velvet, she has never failed me.
Posted by: Little Mrs Spellcheck at March 26, 2017 11:18 AM (UfqKz)
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177 Actually, I mis-remembered that completely.
"Friday" was a great adventure story written by Heinlein, and I think the last thing he wrote (completed).
"The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" was the story tied into "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", and that too was a later Heinlein book that was pretty good.
But "The Number of the Beast" was still about the worst thing Heinlein every wrote.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (S6Pax)
TNotB was the first Heinlein I ever read. Almost put me off him, it did.
"Friday" was a great adventure story written by Heinlein, and I think the last thing he wrote (completed).
"The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" was the story tied into "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", and that too was a later Heinlein book that was pretty good.
But "The Number of the Beast" was still about the worst thing Heinlein every wrote.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (S6Pax)
TNotB was the first Heinlein I ever read. Almost put me off him, it did.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at March 26, 2017 11:18 AM (6GTWP)
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Glad to see the newest Amy Lynn story out. I almost feel sorry for the would-be crime lord and their pet congress critter. You ticked off Jack. Where do I send the flowers?
Heinlein's Friday would be interesting to see a tele-adaptation of.
As for Ted the former British secret agent. The old Sovs and their DDR 'friends' certainly did play for keeps. Wow.
Heinlein's Friday would be interesting to see a tele-adaptation of.
As for Ted the former British secret agent. The old Sovs and their DDR 'friends' certainly did play for keeps. Wow.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2017 11:19 AM (Dt3Vr)
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I am currently immersed in learning about the Amazing Randi.
His debunking of the fraud psychics is both hilarious and fascinating.
He shows how they take simple parlor tricks to the umpteenth degree. Youboob videos mostly.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (5VlCp)
To me, Randi comes off as a bit of a putz. I don't think I would like him personally, and his atheistic beliefs are diametrically opposed to mine. Nevertheless, I agree with you that he has been doing the Lord's work (heh) exposing psychic frauds, fake faith healers, and other charlatans.
But isn't he, like, 143 years old now? I'm surprised he's still alive.
His debunking of the fraud psychics is both hilarious and fascinating.
He shows how they take simple parlor tricks to the umpteenth degree. Youboob videos mostly.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (5VlCp)
To me, Randi comes off as a bit of a putz. I don't think I would like him personally, and his atheistic beliefs are diametrically opposed to mine. Nevertheless, I agree with you that he has been doing the Lord's work (heh) exposing psychic frauds, fake faith healers, and other charlatans.
But isn't he, like, 143 years old now? I'm surprised he's still alive.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 11:19 AM (WPSd5)
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Sunday Moron Library Envy Rant: Another library I can live in. Needs more dog hair puffs and cat hair miasma, but overall: achievable. Thanks, Skandia.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:19 AM (MIKMs)
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De-luring..
"Do you know of a good biography for Zane Grey?"
Zane Grey: Romancing the West by Stephen J May, Ohio University Press.
I grew up in Altadena across from his home there and driving thru Ohio stopped at the museum in Zaneville where I picked up the book.
De-luring..
"Do you know of a good biography for Zane Grey?"
Zane Grey: Romancing the West by Stephen J May, Ohio University Press.
I grew up in Altadena across from his home there and driving thru Ohio stopped at the museum in Zaneville where I picked up the book.
Posted by: meleager at March 26, 2017 11:20 AM (farpF)
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Full version on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jK6l1WJKUU
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:16 AM (Pz4pT)
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Thanks!
*settles down with sugary breakfast cereal*
Full version on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jK6l1WJKUU
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 11:16 AM (Pz4pT)
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Thanks!
*settles down with sugary breakfast cereal*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 11:20 AM (PhYV5)
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De-lurking as requested:
I'm reading the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin right now. I highly recommend it! Although I'm only about half way in the material is fascinating.
I have long been influenced by his list of thirteen virtues but to read his description of trying to perfect those virtues makes him seem much more human and easier to relate to!
Particularly, he says that while he never mastered any of the virtues, he thinks he was likely a much better person for trying to. He also talks about changing his mode of conversation to refrain from saying anything definite but always to say, it appears to me, or, it seems in this instance. Ah diplomacy!
Highly recommended!
I'm reading the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin right now. I highly recommend it! Although I'm only about half way in the material is fascinating.
I have long been influenced by his list of thirteen virtues but to read his description of trying to perfect those virtues makes him seem much more human and easier to relate to!
Particularly, he says that while he never mastered any of the virtues, he thinks he was likely a much better person for trying to. He also talks about changing his mode of conversation to refrain from saying anything definite but always to say, it appears to me, or, it seems in this instance. Ah diplomacy!
Highly recommended!
Posted by: sugar plum fairy #176-671 at March 26, 2017 11:21 AM (ev9Xs)
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TNotB was the first Heinlein I ever read. Almost put me off him, it did.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at March 26, 2017 11:18 AM (6GTWP)
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I started with the hippie shit as a teenager and moved my way back to the juveniles as a "mature" adult. Oddly enough, it tracked more with my world view this way.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at March 26, 2017 11:18 AM (6GTWP)
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I started with the hippie shit as a teenager and moved my way back to the juveniles as a "mature" adult. Oddly enough, it tracked more with my world view this way.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 11:23 AM (PhYV5)
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Also, I've been meaning to thank all the morons who recommend books regularly here. Almost my entire Christmas shopping was done by just ordering the books i found interesting that were recommended here!
Posted by: sugar plum fairy #176-671 at March 26, 2017 11:23 AM (ev9Xs)
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126 ... "Life on the Ohio frontier (Lewis Wetzel is mentioned. He was a famous frontier man, Indian fighter colonialist, white supremacist, exploiter, and ruthless oppressor.)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:30 AM (+Cb51)
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Adjusted for political correctness."
OM, Thanks for the PC adjustment. Sounds like just what I want. :-)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 10:30 AM (+Cb51)
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Adjusted for political correctness."
OM, Thanks for the PC adjustment. Sounds like just what I want. :-)
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 11:24 AM (V+03K)
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A couple weeks ago I mentioned listening to "How Great Science Fiction Works", a lecture series by Gary K Wolfe. It started out really good, but it took a tumble in the last third. Part of the slip may have been because the subject matter got dumber (The New Wave sci-fi discussed sounded more like lit-shit than actual sci-fi) or it may have been that he started delving into 'social issues' in sci-fi. (I flat out skipped the Gender Questions and Feminism lecture, since the first time he touched on that sort of story it was insultingly banal.)
The final straw was the 'new diversity' lecture, which was supposed to deal with newer sci-fi from outside of US and England. Japan was mentioned once, in a list, without a single word of elaboration. I'm not a huge anime fan, but, c'mon, sci-fi has been anime's bread and butter! I'm sure its been influential, and its not like he hadn't focused on non-book sci-fi in other lectures. At the very least, when Gary was talking about full-body prosthetics (earlier in the series) he should have referenced Ghost in the Shell rather than some John Scalzi novel, since GitS predated the novel by 20 to 30 years....
The final straw was the 'new diversity' lecture, which was supposed to deal with newer sci-fi from outside of US and England. Japan was mentioned once, in a list, without a single word of elaboration. I'm not a huge anime fan, but, c'mon, sci-fi has been anime's bread and butter! I'm sure its been influential, and its not like he hadn't focused on non-book sci-fi in other lectures. At the very least, when Gary was talking about full-body prosthetics (earlier in the series) he should have referenced Ghost in the Shell rather than some John Scalzi novel, since GitS predated the novel by 20 to 30 years....
Posted by: Castle Guy at March 26, 2017 11:25 AM (7aeqx)
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Number of The Beast is a great Iron Maiden album, though.
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I like the pic of Skandia Recluse's library, wondered how long it'd be before someone took a picture of their Kindle.
Listened to Dragonflight (Dragonriders of Pern #1) by Anne McCaffrey, I'd read some of these books as a kid and still liked it, the characters and story are simple but likeable.
Working on In The Shadow Of Young Girls In Flower (In Search Of Lost Time #2) by Proust, where the young boy is growing up, falls in love with Swann's daughter Gilberte and gets to know Swann and Odette's circle of important friends. Good story, love the writing but long way to go. Saw on YouTube this is the longest novel in the world, twice the length of War and Peace. Not sure what I've got myself into.
Listened to Dragonflight (Dragonriders of Pern #1) by Anne McCaffrey, I'd read some of these books as a kid and still liked it, the characters and story are simple but likeable.
Working on In The Shadow Of Young Girls In Flower (In Search Of Lost Time #2) by Proust, where the young boy is growing up, falls in love with Swann's daughter Gilberte and gets to know Swann and Odette's circle of important friends. Good story, love the writing but long way to go. Saw on YouTube this is the longest novel in the world, twice the length of War and Peace. Not sure what I've got myself into.
Posted by: waelse1 at March 26, 2017 11:27 AM (DXrCk)
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I discovered "A Catechism of the Steam Engine by C.E. John Bourne" 1856 on Gutenberg. It's full of all kinds technical of stuff on engines, boiler, ships, paddle wheels, props, and other archaic and obsolete details. It's interesting though because it's about state of the art tech at the time. It was pretty sophisticated and the engineering was solid.
Posted by: freaked at March 26, 2017 11:28 AM (BO/km)
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PHEW! Only trudged through the beginning of REAMDE because I was on a long plane ride.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 11:06 AM (NOIQH)
I've tried to poke through REAMDE, but it's hard for me to visualize the characters for some reason, and every time I set it down, I forget exactly wtf is happening the next time I pick it up. There's a boat? How did they get on a boat? I thought they were in a hotel? What happened to the taxi lady?
Cryptonomicon might take 10-15 pages to introduce a character instead of just saying "he's kind of a math savant and organ player who ends up stationed in Pearl Harbor in late 1941", but by God do you have a fully fleshed-out mental image of him.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 11:06 AM (NOIQH)
I've tried to poke through REAMDE, but it's hard for me to visualize the characters for some reason, and every time I set it down, I forget exactly wtf is happening the next time I pick it up. There's a boat? How did they get on a boat? I thought they were in a hotel? What happened to the taxi lady?
Cryptonomicon might take 10-15 pages to introduce a character instead of just saying "he's kind of a math savant and organ player who ends up stationed in Pearl Harbor in late 1941", but by God do you have a fully fleshed-out mental image of him.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 11:28 AM (8nWyX)
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Are there any Mormons among the AoS commentariat? Because they should definitely call themselves the Moroni Horde.
Posted by: Little Mrs Spellcheck at March 26, 2017 11:28 AM (UfqKz)
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>> Number of The Beast is a great Iron Maiden album, though.
The first 5 are essential.
Read the new Brian Mclellan Powder Mage Book this week.
Good Stuff. Liked that first series and the new one is just as good.
The first 5 are essential.
Read the new Brian Mclellan Powder Mage Book this week.
Good Stuff. Liked that first series and the new one is just as good.
Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2017 11:29 AM (T1Co2)
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When US science fiction meets animation from Japan. With really bad English songs.
From 1988, first episode adaptation of Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers by Bandai.
https://youtu.be/_WABQwEB4Bg
From 1988, first episode adaptation of Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers by Bandai.
https://youtu.be/_WABQwEB4Bg
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2017 11:29 AM (Dt3Vr)
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But isn't he, like, 143 years old now? I'm surprised he's still alive.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 11:19 AM (WPSd5)
Yup...he is an atheist and a homo to boot. But his use of logic and simple common sense to de-bunk the "gifted" grifters is quite funny and illuminating. He shows how people want to believe and that is what the hucksters prey on most.
But I don't think I would hang out with the guy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 11:19 AM (WPSd5)
Yup...he is an atheist and a homo to boot. But his use of logic and simple common sense to de-bunk the "gifted" grifters is quite funny and illuminating. He shows how people want to believe and that is what the hucksters prey on most.
But I don't think I would hang out with the guy.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2017 11:29 AM (5VlCp)
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Sometimes I participate; more I lurk and I will continue to lurk.
I'm ready-slowly-The Last Lion, about Winston Churchill.
Great book but I am ready slowly because if I bite off more than I can chew it will be impossible for me to digest.
That's my reading style.
So what in the name of all that is righteous happened to lionhearted England?
I'm ready-slowly-The Last Lion, about Winston Churchill.
Great book but I am ready slowly because if I bite off more than I can chew it will be impossible for me to digest.
That's my reading style.
So what in the name of all that is righteous happened to lionhearted England?
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 26, 2017 11:31 AM (nBr1j)
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Comments on Dances with Wolves prompted me to remember Empire of the Summer Moon, by S. C. Gwynne, about the Comanches. Peaceful hunters and pastorialists they weren't. They scared the living shit out of the Apaches, among others, and put up a stiff resistance against the whites through much of the 19th century.
Posted by: chuckR at March 26, 2017 11:31 AM (qS1uX)
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George Will (in 2015) said Buckley spent decades making conservatism "intellectually respectable and politically palatable". But the CIA aspect of Buckley leads to the conjecture, was William just running a psyop campaign to divide the right. He did push "globalist free trade" and excommunicated Buchanan and Derbyshire and others that said "America First" 25 years ago.
William F's long chin stroking diatribes were given frequent air time by the MSM, as he was ensconced as the standard bearer for all things "conservative". But he had faith in economic theory as if God had written those "laws", with little regard for the limitations even the economic academics recognized.
Buckley stated in 2005 in "Trade the Bumpy Road": "It requires acts of faith in economic laws to applaud free trade. But Adam Smith was resoundingly correct in laying down the law that both parties benefit, giving us the benefit of exposure to Lou Dobbs, and the freedom to reject his council."
But "free trade" theory was already outdated when Buckley wrote that. The "protectionists" (mercantilists, not isolationists) were the ones that had trade surpluses while American neocons played the "trust us" game on our soaring deficits. Dobbs was prescient in 2005, Trump prescient in 1990 on the same issue.
Buckley, deep state psyop agent for the globalist CIA? Intriguing concept.
William F's long chin stroking diatribes were given frequent air time by the MSM, as he was ensconced as the standard bearer for all things "conservative". But he had faith in economic theory as if God had written those "laws", with little regard for the limitations even the economic academics recognized.
Buckley stated in 2005 in "Trade the Bumpy Road": "It requires acts of faith in economic laws to applaud free trade. But Adam Smith was resoundingly correct in laying down the law that both parties benefit, giving us the benefit of exposure to Lou Dobbs, and the freedom to reject his council."
But "free trade" theory was already outdated when Buckley wrote that. The "protectionists" (mercantilists, not isolationists) were the ones that had trade surpluses while American neocons played the "trust us" game on our soaring deficits. Dobbs was prescient in 2005, Trump prescient in 1990 on the same issue.
Buckley, deep state psyop agent for the globalist CIA? Intriguing concept.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 11:32 AM (BrMft)
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Yup...he is an atheist and a homo to boot.Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2017 11:29 AM (5VlCp)
Ha! I knew it! No wonder his bad juju was leaking into my energy field.
Ha! I knew it! No wonder his bad juju was leaking into my energy field.
Posted by: Yuri The Spoon Bender Geller at March 26, 2017 11:33 AM (r/lvo)
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Delurking for an invite to the GoodReads group... and I'll throw in a couple recommendations for good measure.
The Pillars of the Earth by Follett.
Pandora's Star by Hamilton.
And anything by Matthew Reilly, except Troll Mountain. That was awful.
The Pillars of the Earth by Follett.
Pandora's Star by Hamilton.
And anything by Matthew Reilly, except Troll Mountain. That was awful.
Posted by: Shashiga at March 26, 2017 11:33 AM (c89oE)
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De-lurking here to recommend Jan Struther's 'Mrs. Miniver'. It's a series of vingettes so doesn't really follow a plot but it was written in and around WWII (one of the stories is about how awful it is to have to invite couples to dinner parties because there's an A side and a B side and the B sides are always dire, but another article is seeing a child fitted with a gas mask that is all the more poignant for not being highly emotional). The writing is lovely and it made me look at life a little more closely.
I'm fulfilling a lifetime goal of writing a book right now--it's not really for Morons (clean Regency romance with magical elements)--and it's made me SO tremendously impressed by good writers and good writing. It's not easy, you guys!
I'm fulfilling a lifetime goal of writing a book right now--it's not really for Morons (clean Regency romance with magical elements)--and it's made me SO tremendously impressed by good writers and good writing. It's not easy, you guys!
Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at March 26, 2017 11:36 AM (8pTPn)
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Uh oh. Caught it sock fail limbo?
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I'm still reading 'Cowboy Detective' from last Sunday's thread and just finished the Chapter on the Coeur d'Alene Miner's strike of 1892 which made it clear to me that socialism has been a contentious issue far longer than just the anti war protests of the sixties.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 09:37 AM (+Cb51)
I read much of Cowboy Detective last week. Yesterday, I was looking at a book that someone just brought in that is something like "100 years of Spokane history as seen through the newspapers," published in the late 1970's. Opened it up at random to a page about the Coeur d'Alene strike of 1892. Mentioned the mines by name and dropping the explosives down the chute.
I managed to get a poor free kindle version. All the hyphens that were at the end of a line were replaced with a space. And many spaces were replaced with carriage returns. Might have to ask for my money back.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 26, 2017 09:37 AM (+Cb51)
I read much of Cowboy Detective last week. Yesterday, I was looking at a book that someone just brought in that is something like "100 years of Spokane history as seen through the newspapers," published in the late 1970's. Opened it up at random to a page about the Coeur d'Alene strike of 1892. Mentioned the mines by name and dropping the explosives down the chute.
I managed to get a poor free kindle version. All the hyphens that were at the end of a line were replaced with a space. And many spaces were replaced with carriage returns. Might have to ask for my money back.
Posted by: Just John at March 26, 2017 11:36 AM (1yGmM)
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John Scalzi has the same problem as many current directors of anime in Japan. They grew up immersed in a world that already had great anime like Nausicaa, Neon Genesis Evangelion, or even Angel's Egg. What results is more a homage/fan-service to what has already happened and trying to use the genre tropes to sell a story instead of actually telling a story.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2017 11:37 AM (Dt3Vr)
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I like anything involving "dick" and Japan.
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What I learned about Latin this week: the word for dick, mentula, is grammatically feminine and the word for cunt, cunnus, is masculine.
No wonder their empire feel.
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What I learned about Latin this week: the word for dick, mentula, is grammatically feminine and the word for cunt, cunnus, is masculine.
No wonder their empire feel.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 11:37 AM (Nwg0u)
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Yup...he is an atheist and a homo to boot. But his use of logic and simple common sense to de-bunk the "gifted" grifters is quite funny and illuminating. He shows how people want to believe and that is what the hucksters prey on most.
But I don't think I would hang out with the guy.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2017 11:29 AM (5VlCp)
There's a 13 minute video that sounds a lot like that, wherein an experienced filmmaker blows up the "Apollo landings were faked" thing. From the little I've read about him, if we grabbed a coffee somewhere we'd each respectfully disagree about pretty much everything in a civil manner.
FWIW, it's also a really good video and worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU
But I don't think I would hang out with the guy.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2017 11:29 AM (5VlCp)
There's a 13 minute video that sounds a lot like that, wherein an experienced filmmaker blows up the "Apollo landings were faked" thing. From the little I've read about him, if we grabbed a coffee somewhere we'd each respectfully disagree about pretty much everything in a civil manner.
FWIW, it's also a really good video and worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU
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Posted by: chuckR at March 26, 2017 11:31 AM (qS1uX)
Empire of the Summer Moon is on sale through Kindle for at least today.
Empire of the Summer Moon is on sale through Kindle for at least today.
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Number of The Beast is a great Iron Maiden album, though.
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 11:26 AM (ANIFC)
Here is the LEGO link to Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast. AWESOME!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feWSQlWQy0
Number of The Beast is a great Iron Maiden album, though.
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 11:26 AM (ANIFC)
Here is the LEGO link to Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast. AWESOME!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feWSQlWQy0
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 26, 2017 11:41 AM (7N6ox)
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I'm fulfilling a lifetime goal of writing a book
right now--it's not really for Morons (clean Regency romance with
magical elements)--and it's made me SO tremendously impressed by good
writers and good writing. It's not easy, you guys! Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at March 26, 2017 11:36 AM (8pTPn)
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Sorry my 'in' into the world of romance died last year (she was 99). However, she always recommended reading the Amazon boards and the RWA (?) stuff. I was impressed by the dedication to quality writing and editing. They really take it seriously.
right now--it's not really for Morons (clean Regency romance with
magical elements)--and it's made me SO tremendously impressed by good
writers and good writing. It's not easy, you guys! Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at March 26, 2017 11:36 AM (8pTPn)
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Sorry my 'in' into the world of romance died last year (she was 99). However, she always recommended reading the Amazon boards and the RWA (?) stuff. I was impressed by the dedication to quality writing and editing. They really take it seriously.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:41 AM (MIKMs)
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Anonsosaurus Wrecks, you could test out your 'feel' of Latin at the Lupanare Grande in Pompeii...
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Who has time to read when Ace and the commenters take up so much time. I feel like I am missing something every time I turn off the computer. But I've read so many books in my lifetime, which is a couple of years past 29. I did read the first "Wearing the Cat". I enjoyed it until the end. And that's all I'll say about that. And thanks OM, for the book thread. I eagerly await it every week.
Posted by: AlmostYuman at March 26, 2017 11:42 AM (T8WfQ)
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Empire of the Summer Moon is on sale through Kindle for at least today.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
That's a great book. Might be time for a re read.
True story: Quanah Parker tried to buy my grandmother from my great grandfather in Childress, TX. He declined by the way.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
That's a great book. Might be time for a re read.
True story: Quanah Parker tried to buy my grandmother from my great grandfather in Childress, TX. He declined by the way.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 11:43 AM (xJxz7)
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Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at March 26, 2017 11:36 AM (8pTPn)
Clean, magical Regency would definitely interest me.
Clean, magical Regency would definitely interest me.
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Indeed, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" is more of a philosophical discourse about empathy and what makes people really human, than about hunting down stray Andies as the story goes in "Blade Runner". Again, Hollywood took the germ of an idea from his book and made it "real".
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If I may cross the beams, movies that are better than the writings they are based on:
The Birds
Blade Runner
Minority Report
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If I may cross the beams, movies that are better than the writings they are based on:
The Birds
Blade Runner
Minority Report
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 11:43 AM (Nwg0u)
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You can read my new Kindle book "I Slaughtered Ten Thousand Democrats and ate Them; tasted like Chicken".
Ninety-nine cents, this week only!!!
Ninety-nine cents, this week only!!!
Posted by: Burp at March 26, 2017 11:43 AM (ihtYN)
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150 ... Elisabeth, Thanks for the link. I can't find my copy with the Cooper essay on my book shelves although it has to be there somewhere. Read it back in college and wondered if such a revered author like Cooper could be that bad. Turns out Twain was using understatement. The book was horrible. The latest movie version is MUCH better.
If Cooper wrote "Last of the Mohicans" today, he would be sued by some of the tribes for defamation.
BTW, I love the idea of using "Casey at the Bat" for opening of the new season. Glad you feel up to commenting and have at least a little time. We miss you when you don't post on the thread.
If Cooper wrote "Last of the Mohicans" today, he would be sued by some of the tribes for defamation.
BTW, I love the idea of using "Casey at the Bat" for opening of the new season. Glad you feel up to commenting and have at least a little time. We miss you when you don't post on the thread.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 11:43 AM (V+03K)
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Started reading Neil Gaiman for the first time. Finished The Graveyard Book and am now on Neverwhere.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 26, 2017 10:24 AM
Tori Amos is a big Neil Gaiman fan, he is mentioned in a few songs.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 26, 2017 10:24 AM
Tori Amos is a big Neil Gaiman fan, he is mentioned in a few songs.
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 11:44 AM (GPaiX)
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Finished Sabrina Chase's "The Scent of Metal". It's more Star Trek the Next Generation (3rd season on) than Space Opera. While it can be read as a stand alone, it is definitely a lead-in book to a series. I'd give it a solid 3 out of 5 stars.
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 26, 2017 11:44 AM (6n332)
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George Will (in 2015) said Buckley spent decades making conservatism "intellectually respectable and politically palatable". But the CIA aspect of Buckley leads to the conjecture, was William just running a psyop campaign to divide the right. He did push "globalist free trade" and excommunicated Buchanan and Derbyshire and others that said "America First" 25 years ago.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 11:32 AM (BrMft)
I rate this: partially true.
Buckley excommunicated the John Birchers from the respectable pages of National Review back in the late 50s or early 60s. Buchanan was thrown under the bus, along with another one of National Review's major columnists, Joseph Sobran, back in the 90s for being a bit too cozy with anti-Semitism than Buckley was comfortable with. And Derbyshire was given the boot some years after Buckley had passed away. So I can't see that your thesis, that Buckley was a deep cover Deep State psyop, has much to it.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 11:32 AM (BrMft)
I rate this: partially true.
Buckley excommunicated the John Birchers from the respectable pages of National Review back in the late 50s or early 60s. Buchanan was thrown under the bus, along with another one of National Review's major columnists, Joseph Sobran, back in the 90s for being a bit too cozy with anti-Semitism than Buckley was comfortable with. And Derbyshire was given the boot some years after Buckley had passed away. So I can't see that your thesis, that Buckley was a deep cover Deep State psyop, has much to it.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 11:46 AM (WPSd5)
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I can't say what all of James Fenimore Coopers writing sins are but have seen every movie version and the latest is one of my favorites and might be the most beautiful movie ever made.
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Oh, yes, Twain was absolutely slashing in Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses. A good few years ago, the administration of the DODDS school at the base I was assigned was encouraging certain military personnel among us to teach brief seminars at the high school. I did a session where I assigned the students to read that essay - and bring in a book they had read which was good, according to Twain's rules, and one which was bad - and to explain the goodness and badness to the rest of us. It was a fun session. Possibly the kids learned something from it.
I've started on an advance copy of a book that (eek!) isn't due out until July: Sons and Soldiers, by Bruce Henderson. It's about German-Jewish refugees in the US, who were drafted or volunteered for the US Army in WWII - and wound up being sent back to Occupied Europe as part of military intelligence teams. Many of them had left family behind, all of them were extremely motivated, and newly-American citizens. The book goes into some of their stories about how they got out, how they were building new lives for themselves ... and then the war began. I've just gotten up to D-Day, and the account of one guy who was assigned to a paratroop unit, he was supposed to jump with them ... but somehow never got around to going through a shake-an-bake jump course. The jump-master took him aside a few hours before he was doe to get on the transport, and showed him how to land correctly after jumping off a tall stack of pallets in the hangar, and gave him some hints about controlling his parachute.
Riveting stuff - and apparently relatively unknown. I'll post a review on Amazon as soon as I've finished it.
I've started on an advance copy of a book that (eek!) isn't due out until July: Sons and Soldiers, by Bruce Henderson. It's about German-Jewish refugees in the US, who were drafted or volunteered for the US Army in WWII - and wound up being sent back to Occupied Europe as part of military intelligence teams. Many of them had left family behind, all of them were extremely motivated, and newly-American citizens. The book goes into some of their stories about how they got out, how they were building new lives for themselves ... and then the war began. I've just gotten up to D-Day, and the account of one guy who was assigned to a paratroop unit, he was supposed to jump with them ... but somehow never got around to going through a shake-an-bake jump course. The jump-master took him aside a few hours before he was doe to get on the transport, and showed him how to land correctly after jumping off a tall stack of pallets in the hangar, and gave him some hints about controlling his parachute.
Riveting stuff - and apparently relatively unknown. I'll post a review on Amazon as soon as I've finished it.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at March 26, 2017 11:47 AM (xnmPy)
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And a question, a liberal friend of mine gave me this book called 'zealot' for Christmas.
he was so excited because it's by a Muslim, about Jesus. I haven't touched it yet. Anyone know anything about it? Worth perusing or not?
he was so excited because it's by a Muslim, about Jesus. I haven't touched it yet. Anyone know anything about it? Worth perusing or not?
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Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 11:48 AM (xJxz7)
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 11:48 AM (WPSd5)
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154 ... squeakywheel, I've mentioned before that I found CS Lewis' "A Preface to Paradise Lost" to be HUGELY helpful in appreciating Milton's masterpiece. I noticed it has been re-issued in Kindle and paperback the last few years.
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BTW, I love the idea of using "Casey at the Bat" for
opening of the new season. Glad you feel up to commenting and have at
least a little time. We miss you when you don't post on the thread. Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 11:43 AM (V+03K)
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There was an opera singer who owned part of a team -- I want to say Cincy Reds, who did Take Me Out. Played every year on opening day Grapentine WTTW morning. Second JTB's miss you shoutout -- your courses sound like a blast.
opening of the new season. Glad you feel up to commenting and have at
least a little time. We miss you when you don't post on the thread. Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 11:43 AM (V+03K)
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There was an opera singer who owned part of a team -- I want to say Cincy Reds, who did Take Me Out. Played every year on opening day Grapentine WTTW morning. Second JTB's miss you shoutout -- your courses sound like a blast.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 11:50 AM (MIKMs)
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Full Metal Jacket was based on Gustav Hasford's The Short Timers. Quite a difference between the second half of the book and the second half of the movie....
Posted by: Jenk at March 26, 2017 11:52 AM (VgWGg)
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Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at March 26, 2017 11:36 AM (8pTPn)
Anyone with a name like that needs to post more often.
Anyone with a name like that needs to post more often.
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 11:52 AM (ANIFC)
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More show and tell. I am stil reading Thomas Carlyle's History of Frederick II book 16, in it it mentions he was a big snuff user and had hundreds of boxes some worth considerable money. So looked it up.
https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/9044/table-snuff-box
https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/9044/table-snuff-box
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 11:53 AM (GPaiX)
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*taps chin*
I would so love to lock some Soviet Justice Wankers in a room and make them watch Princess in Ribbons and Rose of Versailles.
I would so love to lock some Soviet Justice Wankers in a room and make them watch Princess in Ribbons and Rose of Versailles.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2017 11:56 AM (Dt3Vr)
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I've been reading Ace Atkins a while when I found out they tapped him to write Spenser novels. He's not Robert Parker, but he does pretty decent crime fiction. His Spencer books aren't as fun as Parker's but they have less Susan (who I find obnoxious) and he does the dialog pretty well. Hawk is a bit more plausible as a character, and the cops behave a bit more realistically.
I tried reading his latest Deep South solo crime novel with his hero Quinn Colson and I kind of bogged down. They not only follow a nearly-identical pattern (bad guys come into the area and cause trouble, local hoods help out or become entangled, Colson saves the day by shooting lots of people) but I realized I don't actually like any of the characters. The main hero is kind of a jerk who stole another man's wife, for instance.
At the same time, I tried out an older writer who does detective stuff from the 70s named James Crumley. He has two characters, and the book I read they cross over and work on a case together. One of the detectives is a homosexual, but Crumley feels the need to point that out a lot and have long passages on how the other detective worked out being with a homosexual buddy and grew and evolved to become woke (not using that term, it was the 70s).
I got tired of it and gave up. Neither character was likable either. Crumley is compared to Chandler and I saw zero resemblance. Chandler's protagonist was a modern knight who brushed up against darkness but came away without a stain, he was good and knew what was right.
These guys, both Atkins and Crumley, they don't do right because its right. They fight against bad guys not because they are bad, but because they hurt their tribe. I gotta get revenge, they are hurting my buddies, its my town, yadda yadda. They are as bad as the people they fight against, just on the other side. I have no time for that.
I tried reading his latest Deep South solo crime novel with his hero Quinn Colson and I kind of bogged down. They not only follow a nearly-identical pattern (bad guys come into the area and cause trouble, local hoods help out or become entangled, Colson saves the day by shooting lots of people) but I realized I don't actually like any of the characters. The main hero is kind of a jerk who stole another man's wife, for instance.
At the same time, I tried out an older writer who does detective stuff from the 70s named James Crumley. He has two characters, and the book I read they cross over and work on a case together. One of the detectives is a homosexual, but Crumley feels the need to point that out a lot and have long passages on how the other detective worked out being with a homosexual buddy and grew and evolved to become woke (not using that term, it was the 70s).
I got tired of it and gave up. Neither character was likable either. Crumley is compared to Chandler and I saw zero resemblance. Chandler's protagonist was a modern knight who brushed up against darkness but came away without a stain, he was good and knew what was right.
These guys, both Atkins and Crumley, they don't do right because its right. They fight against bad guys not because they are bad, but because they hurt their tribe. I gotta get revenge, they are hurting my buddies, its my town, yadda yadda. They are as bad as the people they fight against, just on the other side. I have no time for that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 11:56 AM (39g3+)
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What results is more a homage/fan-service to what has already happened and trying to use the genre tropes to sell a story instead of actually telling a story.
My problem with guys like that is that the second generation anime fans think that's the end all and be all of the world. They do not and cannot think outside that box, all patterns, tropes, imagery, styles, characterizations etc are based on the bitchen cartoons they are fans of.
Its a great source of imagination and creativity, but there is so much more out there.
My problem with guys like that is that the second generation anime fans think that's the end all and be all of the world. They do not and cannot think outside that box, all patterns, tropes, imagery, styles, characterizations etc are based on the bitchen cartoons they are fans of.
Its a great source of imagination and creativity, but there is so much more out there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 11:59 AM (39g3+)
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So I would like the book to be something like: "The jihadis take verse such-and-such from the Quran and use it to justify their atrocities, but the correct interpretation of that verse is actually quite different."
This isn't going to happen for several reasons.
First, they'd get killed for saying so by the lunatics in Islam.
Second, unless you are a Muslim cleric or Sharia judge, you are not permitted to comment on, criticize, analyze, or question either the Koran, Hadith, or any later Sharia rulings. You are to submit and obey. There is no grand tradition of Islamic scholarship or debate unlike Christianity and Judaism. Islam is not a faith of thought and questioning. You don't study the Koran, you read and memorize.
This isn't going to happen for several reasons.
First, they'd get killed for saying so by the lunatics in Islam.
Second, unless you are a Muslim cleric or Sharia judge, you are not permitted to comment on, criticize, analyze, or question either the Koran, Hadith, or any later Sharia rulings. You are to submit and obey. There is no grand tradition of Islamic scholarship or debate unlike Christianity and Judaism. Islam is not a faith of thought and questioning. You don't study the Koran, you read and memorize.
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Anyone know anything about it? Worth perusing or not
NOT. One detailed review (remove the spaces): http://www.equip.org/article/ reza-aslans -revisionist-view- of-the-historical-jesus/
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*waves to JTB and mustbequantum* Thanks!
NOT. One detailed review (remove the spaces): http://www.equip.org/article/ reza-aslans -revisionist-view- of-the-historical-jesus/
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*waves to JTB and mustbequantum* Thanks!
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 12:05 PM (Bbi5h)
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>>And anything by Matthew Reilly, except Troll Mountain. That was awful.
Oh, YES! Excellent recommendation! His books are so much fun to read - non-stop action.Why has no one made one of these into a movie?~?
The Great Zoo of China would be a good one to start with since it's not in a series. Also Contest, Temple...
Oh, YES! Excellent recommendation! His books are so much fun to read - non-stop action.Why has no one made one of these into a movie?~?
The Great Zoo of China would be a good one to start with since it's not in a series. Also Contest, Temple...
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 12:05 PM (NOIQH)
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But "The Number of the Beast" was still about the worst thing Heinlein every wrote.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (S6Pax)
TNotB was the first Heinlein I ever read. Almost put me off him, it did.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at March 26, 2017 11:18 AM (6GTWP)
I think I will Fear No Evil is his "worst" book. But then I _think_ I finished that when it came out. I've started Stranger maybe 5 times and have yet to complete it.
There's a two-volume bio of RAH (by William Patterson) that came out several years ago. After reading it, I understand more how RAH's beliefs, writing style, American standards, the SF market, and others combined so that we got the sex-drenched later works.
(Former lurker, poster, banned for a while (Thanks Niedemeyer and OregonMuse for the help) and now apparently back.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 11:02 AM (S6Pax)
TNotB was the first Heinlein I ever read. Almost put me off him, it did.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at March 26, 2017 11:18 AM (6GTWP)
I think I will Fear No Evil is his "worst" book. But then I _think_ I finished that when it came out. I've started Stranger maybe 5 times and have yet to complete it.
There's a two-volume bio of RAH (by William Patterson) that came out several years ago. After reading it, I understand more how RAH's beliefs, writing style, American standards, the SF market, and others combined so that we got the sex-drenched later works.
(Former lurker, poster, banned for a while (Thanks Niedemeyer and OregonMuse for the help) and now apparently back.
Posted by: Just John at March 26, 2017 12:05 PM (1yGmM)
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258 Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at March 26, 2017 11:36 AM (8pTPn)
Anyone with a name like that needs to post more often.
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 11:52 AM (ANIFC)
I agree 100%
Anyone with a name like that needs to post more often.
Posted by: josephistan at March 26, 2017 11:52 AM (ANIFC)
I agree 100%
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:06 PM (WPSd5)
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(Former lurker, poster, banned for a while (Thanks Niedemeyer and OregonMuse for the help) and now apparently back.
Posted by: Just John at March 26, 2017 12:05 PM (1yGmM)
Yes, well, you were one of the (few) lucky ones we were able to help.
Posted by: Just John at March 26, 2017 12:05 PM (1yGmM)
Yes, well, you were one of the (few) lucky ones we were able to help.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:11 PM (WPSd5)
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Last of the Mohicans movie is far from P.C. It's beautifully filmed and I consider it one of the best of all time, check out a YouTube video of the last 10 minutes if you think it might have some appeal to you or not. The Iroquois were on the Brit side (shown as allies in the movie), Hurons and allied tribes were French allies. The character Magua, a Huron, was the bad guy. Wes Studi, a full blooded Cherokee played the part perfectly. He served in my old division, the 9th, in Vietnam.
Books...I like historical stuff, I'm reading a series of novels, 3 volumes by Paul King about the Portuguese in the Age of Discovery. Starts in 1418 with "The Dreamers", 1423 and the discovery of Madeira in "The Voyagers", haven't read the final one yet. Interesting and varied characterizations.
Baen books has a 7 book series by Poul Anderson , The Technic Civilization Saga that's real old school Sci-Fi. Excellent world building, aliens that are really alien, hard science. Don't care for Mil-Sci-Fi, the real thing interests me far me, what can be more alien than what has really happened, such as Cortes vs. Aztecs, Rome vs. Carthage, etc. etc.
Books...I like historical stuff, I'm reading a series of novels, 3 volumes by Paul King about the Portuguese in the Age of Discovery. Starts in 1418 with "The Dreamers", 1423 and the discovery of Madeira in "The Voyagers", haven't read the final one yet. Interesting and varied characterizations.
Baen books has a 7 book series by Poul Anderson , The Technic Civilization Saga that's real old school Sci-Fi. Excellent world building, aliens that are really alien, hard science. Don't care for Mil-Sci-Fi, the real thing interests me far me, what can be more alien than what has really happened, such as Cortes vs. Aztecs, Rome vs. Carthage, etc. etc.
Posted by: JHW at March 26, 2017 12:11 PM (kn0BL)
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Yeah, that's about what i figured. My friend is not a reader anyway and I'm sure he just thought the book was so hip it was a perfect gift.
Thanks for saving me the time!
Thanks for saving me the time!
Posted by: sugar plum fairy #176-671 at March 26, 2017 12:12 PM (ev9Xs)
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Didn't read to see if anyone else caught this, but I was positive that Starship Grifters had been mentioned here before, and I was right:
Read Starship Grifters (Rex Nihilo #1) by Robert Kroese, Very funny wacky space adventure starring the grifter Tex Nihilo and his robot sidekick Sarah. Rex wins a planet in a card game but all is not what it seems.
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Posted by: waelse1 at July 31, 2016 10:17 AM (IGchI)
And is is a fun read.
Read Starship Grifters (Rex Nihilo #1) by Robert Kroese, Very funny wacky space adventure starring the grifter Tex Nihilo and his robot sidekick Sarah. Rex wins a planet in a card game but all is not what it seems.
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Posted by: waelse1 at July 31, 2016 10:17 AM (IGchI)
And is is a fun read.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 12:12 PM (gwPgz)
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And a question, a liberal friend of mine gave me this book called 'zealot' for Christmas.
he was so excited because it's by a Muslim, about Jesus. I haven't touched it yet. Anyone know anything about it? Worth perusing or not?
Posted by: sugar plum fairy #176-671 at March 26, 2017 11:48 AM (ev9Xs)
Hmm... lib friend... book about Jesus by a muslim called Zealot....
I'm thinking its going to be good for ballistics testing.
he was so excited because it's by a Muslim, about Jesus. I haven't touched it yet. Anyone know anything about it? Worth perusing or not?
Posted by: sugar plum fairy #176-671 at March 26, 2017 11:48 AM (ev9Xs)
Hmm... lib friend... book about Jesus by a muslim called Zealot....
I'm thinking its going to be good for ballistics testing.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 26, 2017 12:14 PM (aMlLZ)
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Dangerously close to getting willow, I'd guess but my .02:
Number of the Beast - God-awful. Thank goodness he followed up with Friday and Job.
Just finished all four of Wearing the Cat. I was unsettled at the very end. It wasn't until the next day that it all came together for me... D2 S ...
Also read Perilous Waif. Reminded me of heinlein's young adult stuff. Which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Cryptonomicon. His best stuff. REAMDE wasn't bad, but all of his books have to be waded through.
This Book Thread is killing me. Six more recommendations from today alone. I love it, especially the moron authors. Even Muldoon!
Number of the Beast - God-awful. Thank goodness he followed up with Friday and Job.
Just finished all four of Wearing the Cat. I was unsettled at the very end. It wasn't until the next day that it all came together for me... D2 S ...
Also read Perilous Waif. Reminded me of heinlein's young adult stuff. Which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Cryptonomicon. His best stuff. REAMDE wasn't bad, but all of his books have to be waded through.
This Book Thread is killing me. Six more recommendations from today alone. I love it, especially the moron authors. Even Muldoon!
Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2017 12:15 PM (At41X)
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wasn't Mr. Rogers of the neighborhood also intelligence service and the old lady cooking show?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (R7cwD)
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Last of the Mohicans had one of the two best climactic fights/duels in movies of that period. Personally I think Chingatchkook vs Mugua edged out Rob Roy vs Coyningham, but just by a hair.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
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What was the name of the literary appreciation group full of nekked women that Ace posted about last week?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (Sfs6o)
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Daniel Humphreys:
A Place Outside the Wild, Fade.
Posted by: justme justme at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (LHwIr)
Yeah, I need to update the list - I'm way behind.
I did do a couple of posts fo rthose.
and HOLEE SHEET FADE IS FREE TODAY
go get it!
A Place Outside the Wild, Fade.
Posted by: justme justme at March 26, 2017 11:13 AM (LHwIr)
Yeah, I need to update the list - I'm way behind.
I did do a couple of posts fo rthose.
and HOLEE SHEET FADE IS FREE TODAY
go get it!
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 26, 2017 12:17 PM (Om16U)
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Posted by: Just John at March 26, 2017 12:05 PM (1yGmM)
Read about two-thirds of Vol 1 of the Heinlein story bio. It was pretty interesting and revealing of what formed his opinions, but not interesting enough for me to pony up for Vol 2 or finish Vol 1 (yet), and I really really like Heinlein. To be fair, I have been dealing with a lot of family related crises so my time has not been my own for months and my reading time has suffered immensely.
Read about two-thirds of Vol 1 of the Heinlein story bio. It was pretty interesting and revealing of what formed his opinions, but not interesting enough for me to pony up for Vol 2 or finish Vol 1 (yet), and I really really like Heinlein. To be fair, I have been dealing with a lot of family related crises so my time has not been my own for months and my reading time has suffered immensely.
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Book I highly recommend in non-fiction is "On Killng" by Grossman. It's written by a psychologist and retired Army Officer and talks about the psychology and history of killing and various ways modern armies have overcome the barrier of killing fellow people. I learned a lot, like did you know the average rate of infantrymen actually firing at the end was about 20% in WWII? Seems to be true in every war prior to Korea.
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I thought the book Masters of Death by Richard Rhodes was good (despite his error of who declared war on whom regarding America's entry into the war). It is about the Einsatzgruppen who final solutioned the Jewish question up close and personal by means of gunfire. Many of the killers developed debilitating psychological problems including the big shots who committed their genocide by paper pushing. Yet they continued. The book discusses the way in which become brutalized to the point that they can do such things. My opinion, which may have some relevance to our friends on the left, is that despite the fact that we see them as evil, they saw themselves as quasi heroes doing a nasty job that needed doing if they were going to achieve their promised utopia. You might say they were the party of peace. They were immanentizing the eschaton.
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I thought the book Masters of Death by Richard Rhodes was good (despite his error of who declared war on whom regarding America's entry into the war). It is about the Einsatzgruppen who final solutioned the Jewish question up close and personal by means of gunfire. Many of the killers developed debilitating psychological problems including the big shots who committed their genocide by paper pushing. Yet they continued. The book discusses the way in which become brutalized to the point that they can do such things. My opinion, which may have some relevance to our friends on the left, is that despite the fact that we see them as evil, they saw themselves as quasi heroes doing a nasty job that needed doing if they were going to achieve their promised utopia. You might say they were the party of peace. They were immanentizing the eschaton.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 12:21 PM (Nwg0u)
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wasn't Mr. Rogers of the neighborhood also intelligence service and the old lady cooking show?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM
And they battled each other...
https://youtu.be/q-2JsACs1pw
wasn't Mr. Rogers of the neighborhood also intelligence service and the old lady cooking show?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM
And they battled each other...
https://youtu.be/q-2JsACs1pw
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2017 12:21 PM (IqV8l)
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right now reading the short stories of HH Munro...al I have time for at the moment....new job and a big old apartment problem that is a second full time and unpaid physical job. Yep. Bedbugs. FML.
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Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 26, 2017 12:17 PM (Om16U)
Couldna find tha' free book link
Couldna find tha' free book link
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 12:22 PM (gwPgz)
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wasn't Mr. Rogers of the neighborhood also intelligence service and the old lady cooking show?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (R7cwD)
Fred Rogers never served in any intelligence or military capacity. Julia Child was in the OSS during WWII, and did some really neat research, but wasn't stalking around France cutting throats or anything.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (R7cwD)
Fred Rogers never served in any intelligence or military capacity. Julia Child was in the OSS during WWII, and did some really neat research, but wasn't stalking around France cutting throats or anything.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 12:23 PM (8nWyX)
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I'm thinking its going to be good for ballistics testing.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 26, 2017 12:14 PM (aMlLZ)
Skeet!
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 26, 2017 12:14 PM (aMlLZ)
Skeet!
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:23 PM (WPSd5)
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Long time lurker here, rampaging into the thread for De-Lurk day.
Based on the thread from last week (I think) I purchased Witchy Eye because the idea of Flintlock Americana Fantasy seemed too good to pass up.
And it is. I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone looking out there for it.
And, since I'm a giver, I come bearing other recommendations and reviews.
First off, if you're not aware of Jim Butcher's body of work by now, you're doing yourself a disservice. The man's a writing machine.
He's most known for The Dresden Files, a detective noir series set in Chicago where the PI also happens to be a practicing Wizard. (Ignore the excerable SyFi tv series that was based off of it. It's sad and doesn't hold a candle to the books). But his other works are worth reading as well. The Codex Alera is a 6 book (complete) series swords and horses fantasy with a Roman twist, filled with intrigue and, for me, has better re-read value than the Dresden Files. He has another steampunk series that launched last year (The Cinder Spires) that bears a lot of promise.
http://www.jim-butcher.com/
But wait! I have more for you guys to discover!
See, half the problem with a lot of mainstream publishing is that they're going to push a bunch of SJW-puritanistic trash into whatever story you read. This goes triply so for 90% of comics and graphic novels.
A few years ago, I discovered Dreamkeepers. This is an indie outlet run by a husband and wife up in Michigan that took a good solid look at the publishing industry and decided "Screw That" and started their own stuff from the ground up. In addition to a delightfully subversive story, the art is breathtakingly good and there's a great depth of story to get through. Even better, 90% of it is free to read (though I encourage you to buy it because it's that good). They also do a weekly webcomic focusing on the lives of the main characters about 5 years before the graphic novel series kicks off.
I'd advise you to read through the end of Volume 2 at least before you make your mind up. The art matures a lot between Volumes 1 & 2.
Otherwise, it's a colossally fun read.
http://dreamkeeperscomic.com/
Based on the thread from last week (I think) I purchased Witchy Eye because the idea of Flintlock Americana Fantasy seemed too good to pass up.
And it is. I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone looking out there for it.
And, since I'm a giver, I come bearing other recommendations and reviews.
First off, if you're not aware of Jim Butcher's body of work by now, you're doing yourself a disservice. The man's a writing machine.
He's most known for The Dresden Files, a detective noir series set in Chicago where the PI also happens to be a practicing Wizard. (Ignore the excerable SyFi tv series that was based off of it. It's sad and doesn't hold a candle to the books). But his other works are worth reading as well. The Codex Alera is a 6 book (complete) series swords and horses fantasy with a Roman twist, filled with intrigue and, for me, has better re-read value than the Dresden Files. He has another steampunk series that launched last year (The Cinder Spires) that bears a lot of promise.
http://www.jim-butcher.com/
But wait! I have more for you guys to discover!
See, half the problem with a lot of mainstream publishing is that they're going to push a bunch of SJW-puritanistic trash into whatever story you read. This goes triply so for 90% of comics and graphic novels.
A few years ago, I discovered Dreamkeepers. This is an indie outlet run by a husband and wife up in Michigan that took a good solid look at the publishing industry and decided "Screw That" and started their own stuff from the ground up. In addition to a delightfully subversive story, the art is breathtakingly good and there's a great depth of story to get through. Even better, 90% of it is free to read (though I encourage you to buy it because it's that good). They also do a weekly webcomic focusing on the lives of the main characters about 5 years before the graphic novel series kicks off.
I'd advise you to read through the end of Volume 2 at least before you make your mind up. The art matures a lot between Volumes 1 & 2.
Otherwise, it's a colossally fun read.
http://dreamkeeperscomic.com/
Posted by: Ferrous at March 26, 2017 12:24 PM (Qlx0j)
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My PJs have a giant trap door flap in the rear.
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at March 26, 2017 12:24 PM (Tyii7)
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ty hogmartin
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:24 PM (R7cwD)
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So I would like the book to be something like: "The jihadis take verse such-and-such from the Quran and use it to justify their atrocities, but the correct interpretation of that verse is actually quite different."
This isn't going to happen for several reasons.
First, they'd get killed for saying so by the lunatics in Islam.
Second, unless you are a Muslim cleric or Sharia judge, you are not permitted to comment on, criticize, analyze, or question either the Koran, Hadith, or any later Sharia rulings. You are to submit and obey. There is no grand tradition of Islamic scholarship or debate unlike Christianity and Judaism. Islam is not a faith of thought and questioning. You don't study the Koran, you read and memorize.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 12:03 PM (39g3+)
Wish I could remember the name of it, but I read a book as part of a theology course, eons ago. It kinda comes close to this, but it's a work of fiction.
Spoiler: the main character figures out that his faith does not require him to adhere so closely to the literal text, and he chooses not to pray at the appointed time.. a crime that gets him killed.
This isn't going to happen for several reasons.
First, they'd get killed for saying so by the lunatics in Islam.
Second, unless you are a Muslim cleric or Sharia judge, you are not permitted to comment on, criticize, analyze, or question either the Koran, Hadith, or any later Sharia rulings. You are to submit and obey. There is no grand tradition of Islamic scholarship or debate unlike Christianity and Judaism. Islam is not a faith of thought and questioning. You don't study the Koran, you read and memorize.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 12:03 PM (39g3+)
Wish I could remember the name of it, but I read a book as part of a theology course, eons ago. It kinda comes close to this, but it's a work of fiction.
Spoiler: the main character figures out that his faith does not require him to adhere so closely to the literal text, and he chooses not to pray at the appointed time.. a crime that gets him killed.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 12:25 PM (Pz4pT)
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Anonsosaurus Wrecks, you could test out your 'feel' of Latin at the Lupanare Grande in Pompeii...
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I'd love to go.
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I'd love to go.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)
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My pjs have a rear trap door, too.
Posted by: Barney Fwank at March 26, 2017 12:27 PM (89T5c)
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wasn't Mr. Rogers of the neighborhood also intelligence service and the old lady cooking show?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (R7cwD)
Fred Rogers never served in any intelligence or military capacity. Julia Child was in the OSS during WWII, and did some really neat research, but wasn't stalking around France cutting throats or anything.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 12:23 PM (8nWyX)
What is it with TV show hosts and Intelligence work?
Chuck Barris claimed to be a CIA hitman. And of course Dr. Ruth worked for the Mossad.
Or something.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (R7cwD)
Fred Rogers never served in any intelligence or military capacity. Julia Child was in the OSS during WWII, and did some really neat research, but wasn't stalking around France cutting throats or anything.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 12:23 PM (8nWyX)
What is it with TV show hosts and Intelligence work?
Chuck Barris claimed to be a CIA hitman. And of course Dr. Ruth worked for the Mossad.
Or something.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2017 12:27 PM (7uYFy)
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It's a beautiful day to be a double nought spy.
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Last of the Mohicans had one of the two best climactic fights/duels in movies of that period. Personally I think Chingatchkook vs Mugua edged out Rob Roy vs Coyningham, but just by a hair.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
I do recall the original version of the film contains some rather brutal depictions of that fight, but there is an edited version that removes much of the realism. I don't know what is out there now, because I haven't seen it in years, but if you find a version that contains the unedited fight, it is indeed one of the greatest hand to hand combat scenes ever put on film.
Brilliant and dare I say, beautiful.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
I do recall the original version of the film contains some rather brutal depictions of that fight, but there is an edited version that removes much of the realism. I don't know what is out there now, because I haven't seen it in years, but if you find a version that contains the unedited fight, it is indeed one of the greatest hand to hand combat scenes ever put on film.
Brilliant and dare I say, beautiful.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 12:28 PM (Pz4pT)
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And of course Dr. Ruth worked for the Mossad.
Or something.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2017 12:27 PM (7uYFy)
She was a sniper, yeah?
Or something.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2017 12:27 PM (7uYFy)
She was a sniper, yeah?
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 12:28 PM (8nWyX)
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Russel Means, a full blood Sioux, played Chingachgook. He ran for president as Libertarian but lost to Ron Paul for the nomination . Anyway, regardless of his politics, he made one statement that I think most here can get behind.
"You see the one thing I've always maintained is that I'm an American
Indian. I'm not a Native American. I'm not politically correct. Everyone
who's born in the Western Hemisphere is a Native American. We are all
Native Americans. And if you notice, I put "American" before my
ethnicity. I'm not a hyphenated African-American or Irish-American or
Jewish-American or Mexican-American."
Pretty much tracks with what I've heard many times, I live within a short walk of a large rez.
"You see the one thing I've always maintained is that I'm an American
Indian. I'm not a Native American. I'm not politically correct. Everyone
who's born in the Western Hemisphere is a Native American. We are all
Native Americans. And if you notice, I put "American" before my
ethnicity. I'm not a hyphenated African-American or Irish-American or
Jewish-American or Mexican-American."
Pretty much tracks with what I've heard many times, I live within a short walk of a large rez.
Posted by: JHW at March 26, 2017 12:28 PM (kn0BL)
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I followed the link to the Screwtape Letters and have enjoyed Cleese's readings for the past couple of hours. Listening also makes me aware of how easily I have fallen into the traps set by the likes of Screwtape.
I remember reading that Lewis became uncomfortable while writing The Screwtape Letters from constantly having to imagine the mindset of a demon.
I remember reading that Lewis became uncomfortable while writing The Screwtape Letters from constantly having to imagine the mindset of a demon.
Posted by: Donna, tan now gone but with &&&&&&& to burn and so there at March 26, 2017 12:28 PM (P8951)
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Ferrous: Agree that Codex Alera is much better adventure. Will keep eyes peeled for the next. Butcher is underrated, imo.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 12:28 PM (MIKMs)
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Oh, and thank you for posting the link!
Posted by: Donna, tan now gone but with &&&&&&& to burn and so there at March 26, 2017 12:29 PM (P8951)
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haha Bertram.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:30 PM (R7cwD)
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mustbequantum: I wholeheartedly agree. His sense of humor permeates everything he writes.
Posted by: Ferrous at March 26, 2017 12:31 PM (Qlx0j)
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Couldna find tha' free book link
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 12:22 PM (gwPgz)
No, I missed blogging it, dang.
This one will credit ace
(delete space)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/ B06VWFWLZW/?tag=aoshq-20
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 12:22 PM (gwPgz)
No, I missed blogging it, dang.
This one will credit ace
(delete space)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/ B06VWFWLZW/?tag=aoshq-20
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at March 26, 2017 12:32 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: Brian Williams at March 26, 2017 12:33 PM (Tyii7)
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well we were a more patriotic country back in the day so I imagine some weer given nice jobs after their service, money still needs to roll in..
But obviously some are as hogmartin said, old tales, why I dunno.
But obviously some are as hogmartin said, old tales, why I dunno.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 12:33 PM (R7cwD)
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I agree with earlier posters that The Last of the Mohicans was not PC at all. It shows hoe violent and brutal the Indians were. Probably why they lost the World Series. Hell, it even showed Magua cutting out the British general'S heart and eating it!
The main problem with Dances With Wolves is that Costner switched tribes. In the book, Dunbar meets up with and lives with the Comanche in Texas, as unlikely as that is. Costner wanted to film in hilly and mountainous terrain, for whatever reason, so he switched it to the Sioux. The relentless pursuit of the tribe makes sense if it was the Comanche, less so with the Sioux. Just my two cents.
The main problem with Dances With Wolves is that Costner switched tribes. In the book, Dunbar meets up with and lives with the Comanche in Texas, as unlikely as that is. Costner wanted to film in hilly and mountainous terrain, for whatever reason, so he switched it to the Sioux. The relentless pursuit of the tribe makes sense if it was the Comanche, less so with the Sioux. Just my two cents.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2017 12:34 PM (kTF2Z)
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105 re: Camp of the Saints. I haven't read it yet but I ordered it from Amazon...can't get it anywhere else. Anyway, it is beyond interesting to read AoSHQ members highly recommend a book and then notice that the top five most recent Amazon reviews utterly denounce it as bigoted trash.
I have a good feeling about this book.
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I read on Salon that all people who like that book are Nazi racists. It was in an article about books that Steve Bannon likes.
Im thinking about ordering it too.
I have a good feeling about this book.
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I read on Salon that all people who like that book are Nazi racists. It was in an article about books that Steve Bannon likes.
Im thinking about ordering it too.
Posted by: stace---so much winning! at March 26, 2017 12:34 PM (z8oRC)
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Last of the Mohicans had one of the two best climactic fights/duels in movies of that period. Personally I think Chingatchkook vs Mugua edged out Rob Roy vs Coyningham, but just by a hair.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
I do recall the original version of the film contains some rather brutal depictions of that fight, but there is an edited version that removes much of the realism. I don't know what is out there now, because I haven't seen it in years, but if you find a version that contains the unedited fight, it is indeed one of the greatest hand to hand combat scenes ever put on film.
Brilliant and dare I say, beautiful.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 12:28 PM (Pz4pT)
Absolutely. The music was great too. It was just intense from the moment they sniped the British officer burning at the stake. Dude running and picking up flintlocks on the fly, and loading others...just wild.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
I do recall the original version of the film contains some rather brutal depictions of that fight, but there is an edited version that removes much of the realism. I don't know what is out there now, because I haven't seen it in years, but if you find a version that contains the unedited fight, it is indeed one of the greatest hand to hand combat scenes ever put on film.
Brilliant and dare I say, beautiful.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 12:28 PM (Pz4pT)
Absolutely. The music was great too. It was just intense from the moment they sniped the British officer burning at the stake. Dude running and picking up flintlocks on the fly, and loading others...just wild.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 26, 2017 12:35 PM (aMlLZ)
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There is no grand tradition of Islamic scholarship or debate unlike Christianity and Judaism.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 12:03 PM (39g3+)
You know, I don't think this is true. I've heard that there is actually a prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but we don't see it, because it's all in Arabic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 12:03 PM (39g3+)
You know, I don't think this is true. I've heard that there is actually a prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but we don't see it, because it's all in Arabic.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:35 PM (WPSd5)
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Oh, Fred Rogers also gave some pretty compelling testimony to the senate in favor of funding childrens' educational TV (~ 7 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 12:36 PM (8nWyX)
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You know, I don't think this is true. I've heard that there is actually a
prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but we don't see it, because
it's all in Arabic.
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I'm sure Hebrew and Aramaic scholars are right next door.
prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but we don't see it, because
it's all in Arabic.
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I'm sure Hebrew and Aramaic scholars are right next door.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 26, 2017 12:38 PM (MIKMs)
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Just back from Church.
Ugh. I see I posted earlier with a stale 'Hillz' sock.
Ugh. I see I posted earlier with a stale 'Hillz' sock.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:39 PM (NBHj5)
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There's a 13 minute video that sounds a lot like that, wherein an experienced filmmaker blows up the "Apollo landings were faked" thing. From the little I've read about him, if we grabbed a coffee somewhere we'd each respectfully disagree about pretty much everything in a civil manner.
FWIW, it's also a really good video and worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 11:38 AM (8nWyX)
I've seen that before and just watched it again. It is outstanding. He's a filmmaker by trade, and he doesn't try to argue in favor of the moon landings. He merely explains that what we saw on our TV screens would have been impossible to fake with the video and film technology that existed in 1969. A brilliant approach.
Early on in the video, he makes the point that younger people who weren't alive at the time are used to seeing modern movie special effects and CGI, which didn't exist back then.
There's a 13 minute video that sounds a lot like that, wherein an experienced filmmaker blows up the "Apollo landings were faked" thing. From the little I've read about him, if we grabbed a coffee somewhere we'd each respectfully disagree about pretty much everything in a civil manner.
FWIW, it's also a really good video and worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 11:38 AM (8nWyX)
I've seen that before and just watched it again. It is outstanding. He's a filmmaker by trade, and he doesn't try to argue in favor of the moon landings. He merely explains that what we saw on our TV screens would have been impossible to fake with the video and film technology that existed in 1969. A brilliant approach.
Early on in the video, he makes the point that younger people who weren't alive at the time are used to seeing modern movie special effects and CGI, which didn't exist back then.
Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 12:40 PM (sdi6R)
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Buckley excommunicated the John Birchers from the respectable pages of National Review back in the late 50s or early 60s. Buchanan was thrown under the bus, along with another one of National Review's major columnists, Joseph Sobran, back in the 90s for being a bit too cozy with anti-Semitism than Buckley was comfortable with. And Derbyshire was given the boot some years after Buckley had passed away. So I can't see that your thesis, that Buckley was a deep cover Deep State psyop, has much to it.
Posted by: OregonMuse
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To this I will add that, via personal communication, Derbyshire indicated to me his great respect for Mr. Buckley.
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To this I will add that, via personal communication, Derbyshire indicated to me his great respect for Mr. Buckley.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:42 PM (NBHj5)
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Islamic scholars find ways to justify enslaving or killing non-muslims.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 26, 2017 12:42 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2017 12:44 PM (kTF2Z)
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Last of the Mohicans , Magua and allies ambush the Brit column. The V.C. didn't have anything on the woodland Indiand when it camr to ambush tactics.
YouTube excerpt, middle of move, lots more action to come:
http://tinyurl.com/jufreo2
YouTube excerpt, middle of move, lots more action to come:
http://tinyurl.com/jufreo2
Posted by: JHW at March 26, 2017 12:46 PM (kn0BL)
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King Friday was Fred Rogers's handler.
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The music was great too. It was just intense from the moment they sniped the British officer burning at the stake. Dude running and picking up flintlocks on the fly, and loading others...just wild.
Posted by: Berserker
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I recall Chingatchkook wordlessly tossing a rifle to Natty Bumpo as they were running along, as casually as if it was an entirely natural and expected action.
Posted by: Berserker
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I recall Chingatchkook wordlessly tossing a rifle to Natty Bumpo as they were running along, as casually as if it was an entirely natural and expected action.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:47 PM (ZO497)
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Yes, well, you were one of the (few) lucky ones we were able to help.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
There's definitely something funky that Pixy did to the code back in about Oct or Nov. I'd love to look at the source code and figure it out.
Like right now. My posts will post but only if I put a formatting symbol in my nic. Pixy notices my formatting symbol, adds the closing symbol and I pass. Otherwise they're gone on refresh.
That does not compute.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
There's definitely something funky that Pixy did to the code back in about Oct or Nov. I'd love to look at the source code and figure it out.
Like right now. My posts will post but only if I put a formatting symbol in my nic. Pixy notices my formatting symbol, adds the closing symbol and I pass. Otherwise they're gone on refresh.
That does not compute.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 12:48 PM (ZFUt7)
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I have a important announce from Brattleboro with reference to the failure of idiot's Trump and Ryan. Fart-Tubing is still legal and covered by Obamacare in Brattleboro...Thank You and we still loves Presdent Obama and everything he be done to help all of us...
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 26, 2017 12:49 PM (WmgTn)
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307 Last of the Mohicans had one of the two best climactic fights/duels in movies of that period. Personally I think Chingatchkook vs Mugua edged out Rob Roy vs Coyningham, but just by a hair.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
I agree that was an epic scene but I still have Rob Roy winning by full head of hair. My favorite of all time. As always this is said as an opinion not a definitive statement.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
I agree that was an epic scene but I still have Rob Roy winning by full head of hair. My favorite of all time. As always this is said as an opinion not a definitive statement.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 12:49 PM (IDPbH)
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John has a milk mustache.
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Rogers at March 26, 2017 12:49 PM (Tyii7)
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The teddy bear is against the wall.
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I recommend 'The Last Picture Show' : book & film. 'Texasville' not so much. Ben Johnson rules!
Posted by: Larry 'Heavens to Murgatroyd' McMurtry at March 26, 2017 12:51 PM (bc2Lc)
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Fred Rogers never served in any intelligence or military capacity.
He did go to school with theologian and author R.C. Sproul, though. Apparently he was really that nice a guy in real life.
You know, I don't think this is true. I've heard that there is actually a prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but we don't see it, because it's all in Arabic.
Supposedly during the Al'Andalus period there was some scholarship, but its been suppressed and declared heretical for the most part.
He did go to school with theologian and author R.C. Sproul, though. Apparently he was really that nice a guy in real life.
You know, I don't think this is true. I've heard that there is actually a prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but we don't see it, because it's all in Arabic.
Supposedly during the Al'Andalus period there was some scholarship, but its been suppressed and declared heretical for the most part.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
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I've heard that there is actually a prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but we don't see it, because it's all in Arabic.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:35 PM (WPSd5)
One Language, One Book, that's all you need!
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:35 PM (WPSd5)
One Language, One Book, that's all you need!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 12:52 PM (gwPgz)
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I post here, a bit that Cooper included in the foreword of 'The Deerslayer':
"There is a pleasure in the pathless woods,
There is a rapture on the lonely shore.
There is society where none intrudes,
By the deep sea, and music in its roar:
I love not man the less, but nature more,
From these our interviews, in which I steal
From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the universe, and feel
What I can ne'er express, yet cannot all conceal"
Childe Harold.
"There is a pleasure in the pathless woods,
There is a rapture on the lonely shore.
There is society where none intrudes,
By the deep sea, and music in its roar:
I love not man the less, but nature more,
From these our interviews, in which I steal
From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the universe, and feel
What I can ne'er express, yet cannot all conceal"
Childe Harold.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:52 PM (ZO497)
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"Derbyshire was given the boot some years after Buckley had passed away. So I can't see that your thesis, that Buckley was a deep cover Deep State psyop, has much to it. Posted by Oregon Muse
yeah I imagine Buckley to be a sincere Catholic, but a CIA background surely influenced his perspective. I wasn't into politics very deeply till around 2005, so the Schlafly Buchanan et al rift is still mostly mystery to me. But it seems quite significant. I think the neocon trends carried over to vanquish Derbyshire, but no, not directly Buckley.
But still, the neocon/globalist things versus Americanist nation state thing seems like a pivotal point now. Israel is very much its own nation state, and that seems like a good standard for maintaining a national identity. Conserving Christian heritage may never be "respectable" to politics, they may actually be in juxtaposition. You cannot serve God and mammon kinda thing. The state craves to be God.
Buckley was (surely) not running a psyop campaign (though that might make good fiction), but the way it really works is the globalist "religion" creeps into the soul. That's why I mentioned Buckley's statement about "requires an act of faith in economic law". That's not how "faith" works.
yeah I imagine Buckley to be a sincere Catholic, but a CIA background surely influenced his perspective. I wasn't into politics very deeply till around 2005, so the Schlafly Buchanan et al rift is still mostly mystery to me. But it seems quite significant. I think the neocon trends carried over to vanquish Derbyshire, but no, not directly Buckley.
But still, the neocon/globalist things versus Americanist nation state thing seems like a pivotal point now. Israel is very much its own nation state, and that seems like a good standard for maintaining a national identity. Conserving Christian heritage may never be "respectable" to politics, they may actually be in juxtaposition. You cannot serve God and mammon kinda thing. The state craves to be God.
Buckley was (surely) not running a psyop campaign (though that might make good fiction), but the way it really works is the globalist "religion" creeps into the soul. That's why I mentioned Buckley's statement about "requires an act of faith in economic law". That's not how "faith" works.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 12:53 PM (BrMft)
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Fred's got a metal bucket, a propne torch and a rat. You're gonna start giving us some fucking answers.
Posted by: King Friday at March 26, 2017 12:53 PM (89T5c)
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John has a milk mustache.
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Rogers
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The chair is against the battens.
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Rogers
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The chair is against the battens.
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John has a milk mustache.
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Rogers
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The chair is against the battens.
Posted by: More from Mr. Rogers at March 26, 2017 12:54 PM (ZO497)
All the fish have been fed.
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Rogers
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The chair is against the battens.
Posted by: More from Mr. Rogers at March 26, 2017 12:54 PM (ZO497)
All the fish have been fed.
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Achmed, you an say "waterboarding", can't you? Sure you can!
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Rogers at March 26, 2017 12:55 PM (Tyii7)
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Who wrote Little Women
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 12:56 PM (IDPbH)
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Won't you be, my neighbor?
Posted by: Mr Rogers Speaks at March 26, 2017 12:56 PM (gwPgz)
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If Mr. Rogers had been in my neighborhood, I would have been putting up posters.
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Louisa May Alcott
Louisa May Alcott
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:57 PM (IJX6l)
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Lurker delurking as requested.
I'm an avid fan of the Anne Cleeland Doyle and Acton Scotland Yard Mysteries. I believe that the first I heard of her first book, was here on a book thread a few years ago. Since then I've devoured all five in the series. They are an enjoyable quick read.
Another book I couldn't put down was Amy Lynn by OldSailor'sPoet. Oh how I wished at the time there was a follow-on book. Looking forward to reading his two other books: Amy Lynn, The Lady Of Castle Dunn and Amy Lynn: Golden Angel.
My normal genre are mysteries, spy and espionage novels.
I'm an avid fan of the Anne Cleeland Doyle and Acton Scotland Yard Mysteries. I believe that the first I heard of her first book, was here on a book thread a few years ago. Since then I've devoured all five in the series. They are an enjoyable quick read.
Another book I couldn't put down was Amy Lynn by OldSailor'sPoet. Oh how I wished at the time there was a follow-on book. Looking forward to reading his two other books: Amy Lynn, The Lady Of Castle Dunn and Amy Lynn: Golden Angel.
My normal genre are mysteries, spy and espionage novels.
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By the by, I listened a bit to the John Cleese recording, and then noticed a full dramatization, with Andy Serkis as Screwtape available.
It's cost might be prohibitive, but I'm thinking I might prefer that one. I have some long drives ahead of me, most likely in the next few weeks, and think I'm going to start investing heavily in audiobooks.
It's cost might be prohibitive, but I'm thinking I might prefer that one. I have some long drives ahead of me, most likely in the next few weeks, and think I'm going to start investing heavily in audiobooks.
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Louisa May Alcott
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:57 PM (IJX6l)
You were supposed to say ' the book or the screenplay?'
Louisa May Alcott
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:57 PM (IJX6l)
You were supposed to say ' the book or the screenplay?'
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 12:58 PM (IDPbH)
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Lurkers gotta lurk, but my favorite books are
Master & Margarita
Catch 22
Cat's Cradle
Creation
Grapes of Wrath
Burr
Holidays in Hell
Black Robe
Slouching Kalamazoo
A Confederacy of Dunces
Nobody's Fool
Creative Mythology
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
Master & Margarita
Catch 22
Cat's Cradle
Creation
Grapes of Wrath
Burr
Holidays in Hell
Black Robe
Slouching Kalamazoo
A Confederacy of Dunces
Nobody's Fool
Creative Mythology
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
Posted by: Regular joe at March 26, 2017 12:59 PM (ROIz5)
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124 I've been on a kick of reading the books from which movies were based.
Right Stuff (double plus awesome)
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (xJxz7)
I had the great good fortune to read "The Right Stuff" just before the first Space Shuttle flight in April 1981. That was well before the movie was made.
During the 1950s, it seemed perfectly logical that airplanes would be gradually improved to the point where they would one day be able to fly into space and back again.
But due to the time pressure of the space race, both sides ended up launching "capsules" vertically on rockets and landing them by parachute. It was a short cut and it worked, but pilots were understandably disappointed by that.
Watching astronauts Young and Crippen do a walkaround inspection of their vehicle after it landed on a runway gave me a sense that the promise of the 1950s had finally been fulfilled after all these years.
On the other hand, today we're seeing companies like SPaceX and Blue Origin landing rockets vertically on retractable legs, just like in the old science fiction novels. That's pretty damn cool, too. And that couldn't have been done 50 years ago, because the computing power didn't exist.
Right Stuff (double plus awesome)
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at March 26, 2017 10:32 AM (xJxz7)
I had the great good fortune to read "The Right Stuff" just before the first Space Shuttle flight in April 1981. That was well before the movie was made.
During the 1950s, it seemed perfectly logical that airplanes would be gradually improved to the point where they would one day be able to fly into space and back again.
But due to the time pressure of the space race, both sides ended up launching "capsules" vertically on rockets and landing them by parachute. It was a short cut and it worked, but pilots were understandably disappointed by that.
Watching astronauts Young and Crippen do a walkaround inspection of their vehicle after it landed on a runway gave me a sense that the promise of the 1950s had finally been fulfilled after all these years.
On the other hand, today we're seeing companies like SPaceX and Blue Origin landing rockets vertically on retractable legs, just like in the old science fiction novels. That's pretty damn cool, too. And that couldn't have been done 50 years ago, because the computing power didn't exist.
Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 12:59 PM (sdi6R)
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Regular joe - And yet, there's no cat, or cradle. Odd.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 01:00 PM (ZO497)
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And that owl in that tree fucking knows everything.
Posted by: King Friday at March 26, 2017 01:00 PM (89T5c)
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RE: CS Lewis and Screwtape Letters. In the early 60s, Lewis wrote a short follow-up entitled "Screwtape Proposes a Toast". It is an after dinner speech at some annual devil convention. Pretty amusing. One comment I remember is Screwtapes reaction to girls who desire to be a "Modern Woman". LOL
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at March 26, 2017 01:03 PM (TuMMF)
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PKD had great ideas but he was scatterbrained. He lacked focus and discipline in his writing. He wanders and jambles and ends up focusing on sex and drugs instead of character and plot.
I can't seriously recc any of his work, as a result. It's interesting but unsatisfying.
I can't seriously recc any of his work, as a result. It's interesting but unsatisfying.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 26, 2017 01:06 PM (xJa6I)
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Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 12:59 PM (sdi6R)
Yeah, it's kind of a mixed bag. On one hand, a rocket has delivered supplies to people who live on a space station while the first stage booster landed itself vertically on a floating barge in the ocean, and there are a few crewed capsules being developed. On the other hand, the US has no way to put people in orbit right now besides contracting with Russia to ride a capsule that was developed before we walked on the moon.
"What's a manned space program, daddy?"
*misty eyes* "Something from the past that is no longer with us."
Yeah, it's kind of a mixed bag. On one hand, a rocket has delivered supplies to people who live on a space station while the first stage booster landed itself vertically on a floating barge in the ocean, and there are a few crewed capsules being developed. On the other hand, the US has no way to put people in orbit right now besides contracting with Russia to ride a capsule that was developed before we walked on the moon.
"What's a manned space program, daddy?"
*misty eyes* "Something from the past that is no longer with us."
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:06 PM (8nWyX)
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I have seen countless times a criticism of Islamic culture is the only thing studied is the Koran
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 01:07 PM (GPaiX)
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For you comic book morons, I just finished the Planet Hulk graphic novel.
It's good and I'm not a Hulk fan. Interesting story. And since it's the basis for the next Thor movie, for some reason, worth picking up.
It's good and I'm not a Hulk fan. Interesting story. And since it's the basis for the next Thor movie, for some reason, worth picking up.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 26, 2017 01:07 PM (xJa6I)
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Delurking. Currently reading Cryptonomicon. At the rate I'm going, I may be finished by the time the Second Annual Delurk Thread comes around. Of course, if I read that instead of the HQ, I'd be finished this week. I read Snow Crash several years ago and couldn't see why it received such raves. I thought it was partly derivitive of Neuromancer and partly a giant mish-mash of random weirdness.
Other thoughts related to books mentioned above:
Read and enjoyed Muldoon's book but more for the nonfiction parts than the fiction (although the idea of a parachuting hamster is pure Muldoon goodness).
Started and put down Wearing the Cat, Part One. Didn't hook me right off but then not a lot of stuff does. I'll give it another go sooner or later.
I remember reading A Chanticle for Liebowitz for a lit class in college a, uh "few," years ago. I earned a C in the class mostly for diagreeing with the prof about the religious significance of certain things. (spoilers) For example, from his academic view of Cristianity, the character near the end who claims to be The Immaculate Conception is the second coming of Christ. From my view as a practicing (now somewhat out of practice) Southern Baptist, he was, if anything, more likely the antichrist who would appear before Christ and claim to be him. (/spoilers)
Picked up The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet on the recommendation of a co-worker but haven't started it. Lemme guess, it's earth, isn't it?
Other thoughts related to books mentioned above:
Read and enjoyed Muldoon's book but more for the nonfiction parts than the fiction (although the idea of a parachuting hamster is pure Muldoon goodness).
Started and put down Wearing the Cat, Part One. Didn't hook me right off but then not a lot of stuff does. I'll give it another go sooner or later.
I remember reading A Chanticle for Liebowitz for a lit class in college a, uh "few," years ago. I earned a C in the class mostly for diagreeing with the prof about the religious significance of certain things. (spoilers) For example, from his academic view of Cristianity, the character near the end who claims to be The Immaculate Conception is the second coming of Christ. From my view as a practicing (now somewhat out of practice) Southern Baptist, he was, if anything, more likely the antichrist who would appear before Christ and claim to be him. (/spoilers)
Picked up The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet on the recommendation of a co-worker but haven't started it. Lemme guess, it's earth, isn't it?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at March 26, 2017 01:08 PM (7oUUT)
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Thanks to Bossy Conservative et al for advice re TNOTB. I won't waste my time. Plenty of other books noted here along with other Heinlein.
Carry on
Carry on
Posted by: (not) Lurking Queen at March 26, 2017 01:11 PM (5oWLH)
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All square through 14. DJ is looking surprisingly human.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2017 01:12 PM (kTF2Z)
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Mostly a lurker; occasionally I comment on the pet thread. Not reading anything of consequence. Been cleaning out Mom's bookshelves and found some silly-light chick lit stuff I'm going through when the real world gets too much. When politics gets too depressing, there's nothing quite like reading about the exploits of a "demon-hunting soccer mom" trying to save the world and get dinner on the table on time.
Posted by: AngelEm at March 26, 2017 01:15 PM (tAZC8)
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I'm such a terrible lurker that I have to add my state because someone else comments as Catherine now.
If you are looking for a Muslim who "takes on" Christianity, the book "Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus" is excellent. We always hear about the main Muslim sects, but the author is from a smaller one that is often denounced by the Sunni and Shi'a. He's American, and it chronicles his life and the process by which his beliefs were challenged.
I've recently finished Temple Grandin's "The Autistic Mind." I have a daughter on the spectrum, and I loved this book in part because of Grandin's realism and ability to respond well to criticism. The ability to take correction is SORELY lacking in the millennial and younger generations. They could learn much from a woman with supposed social deficits.
*Goes back into lurk mode*
If you are looking for a Muslim who "takes on" Christianity, the book "Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus" is excellent. We always hear about the main Muslim sects, but the author is from a smaller one that is often denounced by the Sunni and Shi'a. He's American, and it chronicles his life and the process by which his beliefs were challenged.
I've recently finished Temple Grandin's "The Autistic Mind." I have a daughter on the spectrum, and I loved this book in part because of Grandin's realism and ability to respond well to criticism. The ability to take correction is SORELY lacking in the millennial and younger generations. They could learn much from a woman with supposed social deficits.
*Goes back into lurk mode*
Posted by: Catherine from MO at March 26, 2017 01:15 PM (6ykyF)
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You know, I don't think this is true. I've heard
that there is actually a prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but
we don't see it, because it's all in Arabic.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:35 PM (WPSd5)
There is, and it largely is a corpus of echos.
that there is actually a prodigious amount of Islamic scholarship, but
we don't see it, because it's all in Arabic.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 12:35 PM (WPSd5)
There is, and it largely is a corpus of echos.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 26, 2017 01:15 PM (7N6ox)
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Lurkers gotta lurk, but my favorite books are
Master & Margarita
Catch 22
Cat's Cradle
Creation
Grapes of Wrath
Burr
Holidays in Hell
Black Robe
Slouching Kalamazoo
A Confederacy of Dunces
Nobody's Fool
Creative Mythology
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
Posted by: Regular joe at March 26, 2017 12:59 PM (ROIz5)
Regular joe,
Your favorite books list looks very similar to mine.
I thought I was the only guy who still read Peter DeVries! Hilarious and awesome book by the way.
May I humbly suggest that you give my novel-
"Wearing the Cat -The Complete Novel" Volumes One and Two a read.
If you'd like to test drive it first, Amazon gives a rather generous sample on the WTC - TCN page.
You're list runs heavy on the black comedy side and that WTC in spades.
Master & Margarita
Catch 22
Cat's Cradle
Creation
Grapes of Wrath
Burr
Holidays in Hell
Black Robe
Slouching Kalamazoo
A Confederacy of Dunces
Nobody's Fool
Creative Mythology
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
Posted by: Regular joe at March 26, 2017 12:59 PM (ROIz5)
Regular joe,
Your favorite books list looks very similar to mine.
I thought I was the only guy who still read Peter DeVries! Hilarious and awesome book by the way.
May I humbly suggest that you give my novel-
"Wearing the Cat -The Complete Novel" Volumes One and Two a read.
If you'd like to test drive it first, Amazon gives a rather generous sample on the WTC - TCN page.
You're list runs heavy on the black comedy side and that WTC in spades.
Posted by: H.D.Woodard - "Wearing the Cat - TheComplete Novel Volume 1&2 at March 26, 2017 01:15 PM (9q7Dl)
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Cryptonomicon is dense but I found it reads faster than you'd expect; ymmv of course depending on whether Stephenson's style 'clicks' with you.
Snow Crash was fun as hell, and I still read it and Cryptonomicon over again and find things I missed the last time.
The Diamond Age absolutely did not draw me in. It wasn't bad, I just never really connected with the world he was describing.
It took me a few tries to get through Anathem, but it was worth it. Cryptonomicon is still the best, IMO.
One thing to be aware of is that Neal Stephenson is incapable of ending a book, they just run along at full steam until they smash into the back cover.
Snow Crash was fun as hell, and I still read it and Cryptonomicon over again and find things I missed the last time.
The Diamond Age absolutely did not draw me in. It wasn't bad, I just never really connected with the world he was describing.
It took me a few tries to get through Anathem, but it was worth it. Cryptonomicon is still the best, IMO.
One thing to be aware of is that Neal Stephenson is incapable of ending a book, they just run along at full steam until they smash into the back cover.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:15 PM (8nWyX)
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One more thought re: Heinlein's worst book. I nominate Job: A Comedy of Justice. I got a used paperback copy for a quarter at a clearance sale and wanted my money back.
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Been cleaning out Mom's bookshelves and found some silly-light chick lit stuff I'm going through when the real world gets too much.
My mom sometimes says she feels guilty because she likes reading (old) Harlequin Romances. I try to point out to her that I read crappy pulp westerns and nobody thinks that's bad. Reading doesn't always have to be deep and meaningful. You can listen to Herman's Hermits as well as Mahler. You can eat macaroni & cheese without having to make it with Grueyere and penne pasta to make it "adult."
My mom sometimes says she feels guilty because she likes reading (old) Harlequin Romances. I try to point out to her that I read crappy pulp westerns and nobody thinks that's bad. Reading doesn't always have to be deep and meaningful. You can listen to Herman's Hermits as well as Mahler. You can eat macaroni & cheese without having to make it with Grueyere and penne pasta to make it "adult."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 01:17 PM (39g3+)
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Long time lurker here:
If you want a light and fun but interesting read, that's not only interesting and fun, but also informative... and fun, buy my book, dammit. It's currently available $1 on Kindle for a limited time. (Paperback on Amazon or CreateSpace for a few bucks more.)
To Save Us All From Ruin - A Muldoon Adventure
WWII, tale of three brothers set on a backdrop of the Anzio invasion.
It's got pie!
http://tinyurl.com/n8kghut
Did I mention it is fun?
And it has pie!
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
Just bought your book but I'm at a loss how the pie will fit through the mini-usb port on this kindle fire.
If you want a light and fun but interesting read, that's not only interesting and fun, but also informative... and fun, buy my book, dammit. It's currently available $1 on Kindle for a limited time. (Paperback on Amazon or CreateSpace for a few bucks more.)
To Save Us All From Ruin - A Muldoon Adventure
WWII, tale of three brothers set on a backdrop of the Anzio invasion.
It's got pie!
http://tinyurl.com/n8kghut
Did I mention it is fun?
And it has pie!
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 10:48 AM (wPiJc)
Just bought your book but I'm at a loss how the pie will fit through the mini-usb port on this kindle fire.
Posted by: Beartooth at March 26, 2017 01:24 PM (lRNBd)
Posted by: Farmer at March 26, 2017 01:27 PM (4bBUU)
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I'm amazed and glad to see all these lurkers coming out
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 01:29 PM (GPaiX)
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I'm reading One Fish, Two Fish..., again. I never tire of the ending.
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at March 26, 2017 01:32 PM (Tyii7)
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225 Sometimes I participate; more I lurk and I will continue to lurk.
I'm ready-slowly-The Last Lion, about Winston Churchill.
Great book but I am ready slowly because if I bite off more than I can chew it will be impossible for me to digest.
That's my reading style.
So what in the name of all that is righteous happened to lionhearted England?
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 26, 2017 11:31 AM (nBr1j)
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WW I & II.
Most of their good male stock was killed off.
I'm ready-slowly-The Last Lion, about Winston Churchill.
Great book but I am ready slowly because if I bite off more than I can chew it will be impossible for me to digest.
That's my reading style.
So what in the name of all that is righteous happened to lionhearted England?
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 26, 2017 11:31 AM (nBr1j)
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WW I & II.
Most of their good male stock was killed off.
Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at March 26, 2017 01:33 PM (adsVM)
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I recall Chingatchkook wordlessly tossing a rifle to Natty Bumpo as they were running along, as casually as if it was an entirely natural and expected action.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:47 PM (ZO497)
That was Uncas, not Chingachgook, on the elk hunt at the beginning. Very cool.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:47 PM (ZO497)
That was Uncas, not Chingachgook, on the elk hunt at the beginning. Very cool.
Posted by: Gem at March 26, 2017 01:33 PM (uaHyk)
Posted by: LexisTexas at March 26, 2017 01:34 PM (OVOxt)
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As time runs out on the book thread, I just finished The Forgotten Room, by Lincoln Child.
I've been a fan of his and Preston Douglas for a number of years and look forward to their Pendergrass boo.
I've been a fan of his and Preston Douglas for a number of years and look forward to their Pendergrass boo.
Posted by: Beartooth at March 26, 2017 01:34 PM (lRNBd)
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Yes, lurkers, come out to play. It's really easy now that recent upgrades allow you to C&P directly from Word and I.E.
Posted by: Duke Lowell recruiting for the barrel at March 26, 2017 01:34 PM (kTF2Z)
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...books.
Posted by: Beartooth at March 26, 2017 01:35 PM (lRNBd)
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You gotta admit that "Blue Fish" was a surprise plot twist. I mean, who could have seen that coming?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at March 26, 2017 01:35 PM (7oUUT)
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Yeah, it's kind of a mixed bag. On one hand, a rocket has delivered supplies to people who live on a space station while the first stage booster landed itself vertically on a floating barge in the ocean, and there are a few crewed capsules being developed. On the other hand, the US has no way to put people in orbit right now besides contracting with Russia to ride a capsule that was developed before we walked on the moon.
"What's a manned space program, daddy?"
*misty eyes* "Something from the past that is no longer with us."
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:06 PM (8nWyX)
Not only that, but the Russians are still using the same basic rocket design that launched Sputnik 1 in 1957 and Yuri Gagarin in 1961. Granted, it's been upgraded and improved over the years, but it's still the same basic design from 60 years ago.
They're still using the same launch pad, too, which makes it one of the most historic launch pads in the world.
The other most historic launch pad in the world is LC-39A at Kennedy Space Center. It launched all but one of the Apollo moon missions and 2/3 of the Shuttle flights. Now SpaceX is using it. They've already launched twice from there, and the next one will be the first time they will use a recovered booster. If successful, that will be an historic moment: the first time a first stage has been used to launch two orbital payloads in separate launches. They intend to land it again, too.
The launch (and landing) is currently scheduled for Thursday afternoon.
Yeah, it's kind of a mixed bag. On one hand, a rocket has delivered supplies to people who live on a space station while the first stage booster landed itself vertically on a floating barge in the ocean, and there are a few crewed capsules being developed. On the other hand, the US has no way to put people in orbit right now besides contracting with Russia to ride a capsule that was developed before we walked on the moon.
"What's a manned space program, daddy?"
*misty eyes* "Something from the past that is no longer with us."
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:06 PM (8nWyX)
Not only that, but the Russians are still using the same basic rocket design that launched Sputnik 1 in 1957 and Yuri Gagarin in 1961. Granted, it's been upgraded and improved over the years, but it's still the same basic design from 60 years ago.
They're still using the same launch pad, too, which makes it one of the most historic launch pads in the world.
The other most historic launch pad in the world is LC-39A at Kennedy Space Center. It launched all but one of the Apollo moon missions and 2/3 of the Shuttle flights. Now SpaceX is using it. They've already launched twice from there, and the next one will be the first time they will use a recovered booster. If successful, that will be an historic moment: the first time a first stage has been used to launch two orbital payloads in separate launches. They intend to land it again, too.
The launch (and landing) is currently scheduled for Thursday afternoon.
Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 01:36 PM (sdi6R)
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books.
Posted by: Beartooth at March 26, 2017 01:35 PM (lRNBd)
boo works too
Posted by: weirdflunky at March 26, 2017 01:36 PM (r/lvo)
Good point. Their Relic books might scare a person if they happened to be read at night. HEY!, turn that light back on!
Posted by: Beartooth at March 26, 2017 01:35 PM (lRNBd)
boo works too
Posted by: weirdflunky at March 26, 2017 01:36 PM (r/lvo)
Good point. Their Relic books might scare a person if they happened to be read at night. HEY!, turn that light back on!
Posted by: Beartooth at March 26, 2017 01:38 PM (lRNBd)
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You gotta admit that "Blue Fish" was a surprise plot twist. I mean, who could have seen that coming?
You begin to appreciate the subtle literary nuances after...oh...about the 70th time.
You begin to appreciate the subtle literary nuances after...oh...about the 70th time.
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at March 26, 2017 01:39 PM (Tyii7)
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I'm amazed and glad to see all these lurkers coming out
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 01:29 PM (GPaiX)
Right? I hope some will stick around. Lurking before posting is always a good idea, but at some point, just jump in and say hi, because aside from being a Smart Military Blog, it's also full of neat people. Oh, and disregard the rumors that AoSHQ is actually an Edwardian-era factory that requires a steady stream of fresh new souls to be shoveled into the gaping maw of the furnaces, that's totally not true.
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2017 01:29 PM (GPaiX)
Right? I hope some will stick around. Lurking before posting is always a good idea, but at some point, just jump in and say hi, because aside from being a Smart Military Blog, it's also full of neat people. Oh, and disregard the rumors that AoSHQ is actually an Edwardian-era factory that requires a steady stream of fresh new souls to be shoveled into the gaping maw of the furnaces, that's totally not true.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:39 PM (8nWyX)
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Oh, and disregard the rumors that AoSHQ is actually
an Edwardian-era factory that requires a steady stream of fresh new
souls to be shoveled into the gaping maw of the furnaces, that's totally
not true.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:39 PM (8nWyX)
Only the gaping maw of the barrel, from which no soul returns untouched.
an Edwardian-era factory that requires a steady stream of fresh new
souls to be shoveled into the gaping maw of the furnaces, that's totally
not true.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:39 PM (8nWyX)
Only the gaping maw of the barrel, from which no soul returns untouched.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 26, 2017 01:41 PM (7N6ox)
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 01:43 PM (uKRys)
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Re: Last of the Mohicans '92 version: I've been told that there are three versions of the film: the original theatrical release, the reviled blue-ray release, and the somewhat redeemed director's definitive cut, released for the 20th anniversary in 2012. But apparently no version has every scene, which is a shame.
I am thinking of splurging on the original VHS, which is the only way to buy the theatrical release now, in the US at least. I think I may have seen it on TV, but I'm not sure.
I am thinking of splurging on the original VHS, which is the only way to buy the theatrical release now, in the US at least. I think I may have seen it on TV, but I'm not sure.
Posted by: Gem at March 26, 2017 01:43 PM (uaHyk)
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Thanks to Bossy Conservative et al for advice re TNOTB. I won't waste my time. Plenty of other books noted here along with other Heinlein.
Carry on
Posted by: (not) Lurking Queen
If you read "Time Enough for Love", then there are parts of "The Number of the Beast" that are funny, and answer a few questions at the end of "Time Enough for Love". But it is still a poorly written book (by the standards of RAH).
There are a few books that I would recommend if you want to read RAH.
"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
"Friday" (which is kind of an updated version of "Between Planets", with a lot darker world)
"Starship Troopers" which remained the book that got the most response (good and bad) over the years of people writing letters to RAH. He actually wrote it in about 6 weeks, in a fit of rage over something Eisenhower said about getting along with the Soviets.
"Destination Moon", which is now obsolete, but was actually made into a movie.
"The Man Who Sold the Moon", which is also obsolete, but romantically still a good story.
'All Hail Eris' talked about his "juveniles" which were written while RAH was under contract to Scribners, which I think I have read every one. Those are all good, but some don't stand up to the test of time, as the world has passed them by. But not all. And his time with Scribners and the censor that worked on his writings made him so mad that he wrote "Stranger in a Strange Land" when his contract was up.
The juveniles:
Last summer I re-read
"Citizen of the Galaxy" which was still good
"Between Planets" which can't take place now, because we now know that Venus is uninhabitable
"Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" which may yet come to pass. It is still a great book for young adults to read (and old adults too).
Carry on
Posted by: (not) Lurking Queen
If you read "Time Enough for Love", then there are parts of "The Number of the Beast" that are funny, and answer a few questions at the end of "Time Enough for Love". But it is still a poorly written book (by the standards of RAH).
There are a few books that I would recommend if you want to read RAH.
"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
"Friday" (which is kind of an updated version of "Between Planets", with a lot darker world)
"Starship Troopers" which remained the book that got the most response (good and bad) over the years of people writing letters to RAH. He actually wrote it in about 6 weeks, in a fit of rage over something Eisenhower said about getting along with the Soviets.
"Destination Moon", which is now obsolete, but was actually made into a movie.
"The Man Who Sold the Moon", which is also obsolete, but romantically still a good story.
'All Hail Eris' talked about his "juveniles" which were written while RAH was under contract to Scribners, which I think I have read every one. Those are all good, but some don't stand up to the test of time, as the world has passed them by. But not all. And his time with Scribners and the censor that worked on his writings made him so mad that he wrote "Stranger in a Strange Land" when his contract was up.
The juveniles:
Last summer I re-read
"Citizen of the Galaxy" which was still good
"Between Planets" which can't take place now, because we now know that Venus is uninhabitable
"Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" which may yet come to pass. It is still a great book for young adults to read (and old adults too).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 01:49 PM (S6Pax)
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Late to the party, but I do want to respond to the invitation to de-lurk. I want to recommend David of Sassoon, the Armenian epic -- some medieval touches, but mostly pre-Christian tales worked into a multi-generational saga. We start with Sanasar and Baghdasar, twins born to an Armenian princess (Dzovinar -- "of the sea"), who though plighted to the King of Baghdad in a political maneuver to rescue her people. conceives by drinking from a miraculous fountain. In the last cycle, we end with Young Mher sleeping in a cave in Mt Ararat until humanity adjourns evil. He tries every year -- I forget which day -- but his fiery steed sinks into the earth, and must return to the cave.
I like the Salian translation the best.
I like the Salian translation the best.
Posted by: sinmi at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (JYPT+)
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Apropos of nothing, I've been watching a three-part Australian documentary about airships. Here's the link to Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDWmh0iX7bU
The other parts are "Ship of Dreams" and "Forced Landing".
Those "ocean liners of the skies" had people running outdoors and gawking at them wherever they went. I wish I had asked my father if he had ever seen one. He was alive in their heyday in the 20s and 30s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDWmh0iX7bU
The other parts are "Ship of Dreams" and "Forced Landing".
Those "ocean liners of the skies" had people running outdoors and gawking at them wherever they went. I wish I had asked my father if he had ever seen one. He was alive in their heyday in the 20s and 30s.
Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (sdi6R)
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"Her Brother's Keeper" by Mike Kupari
Mike Kupari is co-author of the Dead Six trilogy with Larry Correia, the author of the Monster Hunters, Grimnoir, and others. This is Kupari's first solo novel.
Half "Space Viking", half "Magnificent Seven", a tease of alien precursor horror, a smidge of Western family bonding.
It has one flaw - it ends, and there is no sequel to purchase immediately. Make that, "and there are not 10 sequels sitting on my shelf to be re-read for the 10th time."
This is old school in style and substance that makes my pulp-loving heart rejoice.
And after a quick search . . . the sequel, "Sins of Her Father", is scheduled for Jan. 2, 2018. Enough time to thoroughly enjoy this without having to wait too long to read more.
Mike Kupari is co-author of the Dead Six trilogy with Larry Correia, the author of the Monster Hunters, Grimnoir, and others. This is Kupari's first solo novel.
Half "Space Viking", half "Magnificent Seven", a tease of alien precursor horror, a smidge of Western family bonding.
It has one flaw - it ends, and there is no sequel to purchase immediately. Make that, "and there are not 10 sequels sitting on my shelf to be re-read for the 10th time."
This is old school in style and substance that makes my pulp-loving heart rejoice.
And after a quick search . . . the sequel, "Sins of Her Father", is scheduled for Jan. 2, 2018. Enough time to thoroughly enjoy this without having to wait too long to read more.
Posted by: Sam at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (FAHea)
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Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 01:36 PM (sdi6R)
The Cold war era Russians did some fascinating stuff with rockets and space exploration. Some historic firsts, historic hits and historic misses, too. Huge cover-ups when things went horribly wrong. Afraid to put their reputation on the line by putting a man on the moon and have something go wrong.
I think there's something to be learned about the character of the nation from looking at their space program.
The Cold war era Russians did some fascinating stuff with rockets and space exploration. Some historic firsts, historic hits and historic misses, too. Huge cover-ups when things went horribly wrong. Afraid to put their reputation on the line by putting a man on the moon and have something go wrong.
I think there's something to be learned about the character of the nation from looking at their space program.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (ZFUt7)
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I recall Chingatchkook wordlessly tossing a rifle to Natty Bumpo as they were running along, as casually as if it was an entirely natural and expected action.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:47 PM (ZO497)
That was Uncas, not Chingachgook, on the elk hunt at the beginning. Very cool.
Posted by: Gem
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Dammit! Of course it was. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 12:47 PM (ZO497)
That was Uncas, not Chingachgook, on the elk hunt at the beginning. Very cool.
Posted by: Gem
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Dammit! Of course it was. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (ZO497)
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Constant lurker coming up from the lurky depths.
An oldie but a goodie, the book is Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. I reread this book every 3-4 years and pick up on new layers each time. It has never gotten old and is an excellent SciFi novel that one the Hugo way back before current political atmosphere of the award. The book that takes place in a unique universe constructed by Vinge. Essentially, advanced technologies (FTL, AI, and more) function better the further away from the galactic core. In the center of the galaxy and even out Earth's location, FTL and the like are impossible. These "Zones of Thought" are critical to the plot and make for an some interesting physics.
The other very unique element is an alien race called the Tines. The Tines are an intelligent, pack minded race of dogs.
Overall this is an excellent hard SF, space opera and a real page turner.
An oldie but a goodie, the book is Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. I reread this book every 3-4 years and pick up on new layers each time. It has never gotten old and is an excellent SciFi novel that one the Hugo way back before current political atmosphere of the award. The book that takes place in a unique universe constructed by Vinge. Essentially, advanced technologies (FTL, AI, and more) function better the further away from the galactic core. In the center of the galaxy and even out Earth's location, FTL and the like are impossible. These "Zones of Thought" are critical to the plot and make for an some interesting physics.
The other very unique element is an alien race called the Tines. The Tines are an intelligent, pack minded race of dogs.
Overall this is an excellent hard SF, space opera and a real page turner.
Posted by: GiyaMonster at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (8f2Mh)
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Only the gaping maw of the barrel, from which no soul returns untouched.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 26, 2017 01:41 PM (7N6ox)
"All the 'rons and 'ettes go in that barrel. When they all go in, they all look the same. But when they all come out, they all look different.
When they all come out... they all look scaaaared."
- Alan Shepard
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 26, 2017 01:41 PM (7N6ox)
"All the 'rons and 'ettes go in that barrel. When they all go in, they all look the same. But when they all come out, they all look different.
When they all come out... they all look scaaaared."
- Alan Shepard
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:51 PM (8nWyX)
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"Citizen of the Galaxy" which was still good
"Between Planets" which can't take place now, because we now know that Venus is uninhabitable
"Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" which may yet come to pass. It is still a great book for young adults to read (and old adults too).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 01:49 PM (S6Pax)
Tunnel in the Sky was one of my favorites from that class.
"Between Planets" which can't take place now, because we now know that Venus is uninhabitable
"Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" which may yet come to pass. It is still a great book for young adults to read (and old adults too).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 01:49 PM (S6Pax)
Tunnel in the Sky was one of my favorites from that class.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 26, 2017 01:51 PM (0mRoj)
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chem isn't here to lay any defense for himself even if we think he has an agenda, misplaced as it is...
just sayin.
just sayin.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 01:51 PM (R7cwD)
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Ugh
Shouldn't write on the run
That should read-
Your list runs heavy on the black comedy and that is WTC in spades
Shouldn't write on the run
That should read-
Your list runs heavy on the black comedy and that is WTC in spades
Posted by: H D Woodard at March 26, 2017 01:52 PM (vZ9Fw)
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Heh. In Skandia's picture one item I recognize is the Caller ID box, because the same item is sitting on our kitchen counter.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 01:52 PM (ZO497)
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I mostly lurk, due to timing, but I was on a roll (for me) on today's EMT. One book that I read recentl which was a horde recommendation was The Seven Eves. I'm not usually into science fiction, but I really enjoyed this. It was incredibly detailed so the author is obviously "in the know" about space stuff. Good book.
Posted by: Obamaisacommunist at March 26, 2017 01:52 PM (H5WWY)
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as for koran imans and discussions there are many, as with rabbinical or Christians scholar discussions. although what has been missed is perhaps a discussion on hwo to live in anothers country in peace.
I don't think they can have that one in sincerity because they believe in conquest not only of the soul but the life. there is no kicking back allowed.
I don't think they can have that one in sincerity because they believe in conquest not only of the soul but the life. there is no kicking back allowed.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 01:54 PM (R7cwD)
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Man of the Forest was good by Zane Grey. My Mom had an old hardback copy I read early on. But I bought probably 20 of Louis Lamor's books. Always liked the accomplished frontier man. iirc his characters generally appreciated the Indians and communed with them, though I can't recall if he was antagonistic to the expansionist pioneering ways.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 01:54 PM (BrMft)
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276 Last of the Mohicans had one of the two best climactic fights/duels in movies of that period. Personally I think Chingatchkook vs Mugua edged out Rob Roy vs Coyningham, but just by a hair.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
You knew as soon as Chingatchkook saw Mugua kill Uncas that Mugua was fucked.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2017 12:16 PM (IJX6l)
You knew as soon as Chingatchkook saw Mugua kill Uncas that Mugua was fucked.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 26, 2017 01:56 PM (0mRoj)
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No need to worry about the barrel. I'm pretty sure I have enough haz-mat suits for everyone.
Posted by: Duke Lowell recruiting for the barrel at March 26, 2017 01:56 PM (kTF2Z)
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That was Uncas, not Chingachgook, on the elk hunt at the beginning. Very cool.
Posted by: Gem
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Dammit! Of course it was. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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But now, I have go retrieve the book to see if it is an Elk, or a deer. Of course, book and movie may differ.
Posted by: Gem
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Dammit! Of course it was. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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But now, I have go retrieve the book to see if it is an Elk, or a deer. Of course, book and movie may differ.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 01:56 PM (ZO497)
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If you haven't read any of the Allen Bradley Favia de Luce mysteries, DO SO. There are 11 of them now I think and they're like eating candy. I'm flying through them. The gist is that this 11 year old girl in a small English village after the war out sleuths the local inspector when it comes to murders. She lives with her quirky family in a large, down on the heels, estate. She's also a chemistry whiz. These books are a delight. The first is "The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie".
Posted by: Obamaisacommunist at March 26, 2017 01:57 PM (H5WWY)
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Who wrote Little Women
*****
I'll tell you that if you will tell me who in the dickens wrote A Tale of Two Cities.
*****
I'll tell you that if you will tell me who in the dickens wrote A Tale of Two Cities.
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 01:57 PM (wPiJc)
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Oh, and welcome de-lurkers all!
Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 01:59 PM (wPiJc)
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I can't believe I missed the Last of the Mohican discussion!
I read the books back in middle school and loved them. Never saw the movie until I was in my twenties, and was rather disappointed to discover that they completely left out the canoe chase episode, which is one of the best parts of the book. Didn't fit with Mann's mass casualties, blood everywhere vision, I guess - the race is tense, rather than action oriented, and is won via practical geometry and a single, long range shot at exactly the right time.
The Prairie is by far the least interesting out of all the five Leatherstocking Tales. If that is all you have ever read, then you really don't have a good idea of what the books are like.
I think my love of 18th century rifles is mostly due to the influence of Cooper...
I read the books back in middle school and loved them. Never saw the movie until I was in my twenties, and was rather disappointed to discover that they completely left out the canoe chase episode, which is one of the best parts of the book. Didn't fit with Mann's mass casualties, blood everywhere vision, I guess - the race is tense, rather than action oriented, and is won via practical geometry and a single, long range shot at exactly the right time.
The Prairie is by far the least interesting out of all the five Leatherstocking Tales. If that is all you have ever read, then you really don't have a good idea of what the books are like.
I think my love of 18th century rifles is mostly due to the influence of Cooper...
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 26, 2017 02:00 PM (bZ7mE)
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Gack -- I will fix only one typo from previous -- the translator I like best is Shalian.
Posted by: sinmi at March 26, 2017 02:02 PM (JYPT+)
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Talk about living rent free in somebody's head - Chemmie hasn't been here in months as far as I know.
And still it's 'funny' to talk shit about him behind his back?
That's pretty freaking lame.
And still it's 'funny' to talk shit about him behind his back?
That's pretty freaking lame.
Posted by: The name... is Dalton at March 26, 2017 02:04 PM (2SERm)
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Dear Mr. Muldoon, that would be Charles Dickens. (capital
letters ARE important, you know.)
Yours truly,
Mr. Literal and jokes be damned
letters ARE important, you know.)
Yours truly,
Mr. Literal and jokes be damned
Posted by: Norman at March 26, 2017 02:04 PM (CxmoU)
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The Revolution Will Be Problematic: Antifa Corrected By Other SJWs On Meaning Of “Moron”
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=331270
The Revolution Will Be Problematic: Antifa Corrected By Other SJWs On Meaning Of “Moron”
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=331270
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2017 02:04 PM (IqV8l)
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But now, I have go retrieve the book to see if it is an Elk, or a deer. Of course, book and movie may differ.
Just a bit....
There is actually hardly anything the same.
Just a bit....
There is actually hardly anything the same.
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 26, 2017 02:05 PM (bZ7mE)
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Last of the Mohicans? We're out of Mohicans?
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2017 02:05 PM (Sfs6o)
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The Prairie is by far the least interesting out of all the five Leatherstocking Tales. If that is all you have ever read, then you really don't have a good idea of what the books are like.
I think my love of 18th century rifles is mostly due to the influence of Cooper...
Posted by: Grey Fox
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Yeah, both Cooper and Natty Bumpo were getting worn out by then.
For those not in-the-know, the proper (temporal sequence) to read the series is by alphabetical order of the titles.
I think my love of 18th century rifles is mostly due to the influence of Cooper...
Posted by: Grey Fox
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Yeah, both Cooper and Natty Bumpo were getting worn out by then.
For those not in-the-know, the proper (temporal sequence) to read the series is by alphabetical order of the titles.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 02:05 PM (ZO497)
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I haven't read any Cooper, so I don't have any opinion one way or another, but as Kindltot mentioned upthread, Mark Twain's critique is pretty much a 19th century smoking crater mic-drop.
http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/offense.html
http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/offense.html
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 02:06 PM (8nWyX)
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Long time lurkerette who thinks every morning should start with a book thread, and end with a late night book thread!
My recommendation is free if you don't mind reading an ebook. Check out Journey to Aviad by Allison D. Reid. The genre is Christian Fantasy, and it's a fun, clean read.
amazon.com/author/windrider
My recommendation is free if you don't mind reading an ebook. Check out Journey to Aviad by Allison D. Reid. The genre is Christian Fantasy, and it's a fun, clean read.
amazon.com/author/windrider
Posted by: Inkling Groupie at March 26, 2017 02:07 PM (fEMRB)
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Last of the Mohicans? We're out of Mohicans?
Posted by: Weasel
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Yeah, it sucks. Lost them, the Eastern Elk, and the Eastern Woodland Buffalo at about the same time.
Posted by: Weasel
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Yeah, it sucks. Lost them, the Eastern Elk, and the Eastern Woodland Buffalo at about the same time.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 02:07 PM (ZO497)
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Tunnel in the Sky was one of my favorites from that class.
Posted by: Insomniac
Loved that one too.
So many of the juveniles were just really great reads. Heinlein had a specific mission in mind in writing these books, as there are some recurring themes of coming of age and gaining responsibility for yourself and other around you.
Posted by: Insomniac
Loved that one too.
So many of the juveniles were just really great reads. Heinlein had a specific mission in mind in writing these books, as there are some recurring themes of coming of age and gaining responsibility for yourself and other around you.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 02:08 PM (S6Pax)
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Yeah, it sucks. Lost them, the Eastern Elk, and the Eastern Woodland Buffalo at about the same time.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Tell me about it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Tell me about it.
Posted by: A Passenger Pigeon at March 26, 2017 02:08 PM (ZO497)
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Many de-lurkers today.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 26, 2017 02:09 PM (89T5c)
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Sure does suck.
Posted by: Ivory-billed woodpecker at March 26, 2017 02:10 PM (89T5c)
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Oh, and disregard the rumors that AoSHQ is actually an Edwardian-era factory that requires a steady stream of fresh new souls to be shoveled into the gaping maw of the furnaces, that's totally not true.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:39 PM
Oh yes, please give such imprecations no thought. The idea that this is a waterhole, around which are unseen perils to virginal souls is specious in the extreme.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 01:39 PM
Oh yes, please give such imprecations no thought. The idea that this is a waterhole, around which are unseen perils to virginal souls is specious in the extreme.
Posted by: AoSHQ Gingers Anonymous at March 26, 2017 02:11 PM (DMUuz)
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I'm now about halfway through both "The Iron Heel" by Jack London and "Lord of the World" by Robert Hugh Benson, two VERY different Edwardian-era (190
dystopias but both of them strikingly prescient in their own ways. In fact I'm planning on adding both of them to our vintage publication stable in the near future:
www.monroestpress.com
I know both are available online for free and in other print editions but I want to make these available in "real" book form with some explanatory material added (by me). Plus I want to see if the latter book can be marketed as a Steampunk-era dystopia and not just as a "Catholic" novel. I suppose the London book may appeal more to lefties and the Benson book to Morons and other righties, but really I think both of them are good.
dystopias but both of them strikingly prescient in their own ways. In fact I'm planning on adding both of them to our vintage publication stable in the near future:
www.monroestpress.com
I know both are available online for free and in other print editions but I want to make these available in "real" book form with some explanatory material added (by me). Plus I want to see if the latter book can be marketed as a Steampunk-era dystopia and not just as a "Catholic" novel. I suppose the London book may appeal more to lefties and the Benson book to Morons and other righties, but really I think both of them are good.
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I haven't read any Cooper, so I don't have any opinion one way or another, but as Kindltot mentioned upthread, Mark Twain's critique is pretty much a 19th century smoking crater mic-drop.
It is funny, and true, and, yet, of the two authors, Cooper has had by far the most influence - he pretty much invented the Western genre, including the stock characters that inhabited it, and his work has a great deal of philosophic depth to it.
By comparison Twain is pretty forgettable, despite being easier to read.
It is funny, and true, and, yet, of the two authors, Cooper has had by far the most influence - he pretty much invented the Western genre, including the stock characters that inhabited it, and his work has a great deal of philosophic depth to it.
By comparison Twain is pretty forgettable, despite being easier to read.
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385 Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 01:36 PM (sdi6R)
The Cold war era Russians did some fascinating stuff with rockets and space exploration. Some historic firsts, historic hits and historic misses, too. Huge cover-ups when things went horribly wrong. Afraid to put their reputation on the line by putting a man on the moon and have something go wrong.
I think there's something to be learned about the character of the nation from looking at their space program.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (ZFUt7)
The major difference between the US and Soviet space programs is that they did everything in secret and only announced their successes, while we did it on live TV.
We beat them to the moon because our Saturn V moon rocket worked every time it was launched, while their equivalent N-1 failed every time it was launched.
The difference was that we did extensive ground testing of each engine type and stage before trying to launch it. The Russians didn't do much ground testing. Their launch site was in the barren steppes of Central Asia, so if a rocket went off course or blew up, they just put another one on the pad and tried again. That approach worked well enough for the early mass-produced smaller rockets, but it didn't scale up well with large and expensive ones.
The Cold war era Russians did some fascinating stuff with rockets and space exploration. Some historic firsts, historic hits and historic misses, too. Huge cover-ups when things went horribly wrong. Afraid to put their reputation on the line by putting a man on the moon and have something go wrong.
I think there's something to be learned about the character of the nation from looking at their space program.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 01:50 PM (ZFUt7)
The major difference between the US and Soviet space programs is that they did everything in secret and only announced their successes, while we did it on live TV.
We beat them to the moon because our Saturn V moon rocket worked every time it was launched, while their equivalent N-1 failed every time it was launched.
The difference was that we did extensive ground testing of each engine type and stage before trying to launch it. The Russians didn't do much ground testing. Their launch site was in the barren steppes of Central Asia, so if a rocket went off course or blew up, they just put another one on the pad and tried again. That approach worked well enough for the early mass-produced smaller rockets, but it didn't scale up well with large and expensive ones.
Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2017 02:13 PM (sdi6R)
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I have the whole Zane Grey book club set, too. Best parts are the Dedications and Introductions. Here's part of the Intro to "Roping Lions in the Canyon", which is dedicated to The Boy Scouts of America:
"Every boy has a heritage. It is outdoor America. ... "
"Every boy has a heritage. It is outdoor America. ... "
Posted by: Marica at March 26, 2017 02:13 PM (nlXDo)
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Delurking for a bit...here are some recent recommended reads:
Have read "Twilight of Abundance" by David Archibald twice in the last few years. Some of his forecasting and thoughts are less composed than his take down of Man-Caused Global Warmening; still a good read. It'll make you want to keep some new long johns, heavy socks (socks!) and a new coat or two on the shelf.
"The Obstacle is the Way" by Ryan Holiday on Stoicism.
"How to Fail at Everything and Still Win Big" by Scott Adams. Always been a big Adams fan; this book is even better in light of his understanding and resultant recent writing about Trump.
Something I saw on the interwebs in the last month and picked up (could have been on a Sunday Book Thread) is "English as She is Spoke" an 1884 translation guidebook that became a laughingstock once distributed in England and the US. Much hilarity. A must read. (And must have been read by the previously mentioned John Cleese for both the Pythons and for his "Fawlty Towers" character, Manuel.)
Currently reading (or not reading as it were) 5 or 6 books at the same time. Some may be worthy of review later.
Happy Sunday!
Have read "Twilight of Abundance" by David Archibald twice in the last few years. Some of his forecasting and thoughts are less composed than his take down of Man-Caused Global Warmening; still a good read. It'll make you want to keep some new long johns, heavy socks (socks!) and a new coat or two on the shelf.
"The Obstacle is the Way" by Ryan Holiday on Stoicism.
"How to Fail at Everything and Still Win Big" by Scott Adams. Always been a big Adams fan; this book is even better in light of his understanding and resultant recent writing about Trump.
Something I saw on the interwebs in the last month and picked up (could have been on a Sunday Book Thread) is "English as She is Spoke" an 1884 translation guidebook that became a laughingstock once distributed in England and the US. Much hilarity. A must read. (And must have been read by the previously mentioned John Cleese for both the Pythons and for his "Fawlty Towers" character, Manuel.)
Currently reading (or not reading as it were) 5 or 6 books at the same time. Some may be worthy of review later.
Happy Sunday!
Posted by: ockham's stropping leather at March 26, 2017 02:13 PM (SX1Lq)
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After introducing the book to the Charlotte elementary schools, without notice to teachers or parents, 'Jacobs New Dress' was abruptly removed on account of outcry by parents.
It's as though academics are anti cis-normative, and may even have an agenda outside of education.
It's as though academics are anti cis-normative, and may even have an agenda outside of education.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 02:14 PM (ZO497)
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Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2017 01:57 PM (wPiJc)
Not sure who, but I know it was written in the best of times. And, you know,...
Sorry.
Not sure who, but I know it was written in the best of times. And, you know,...
Sorry.
Posted by: waelse1 at March 26, 2017 02:16 PM (sUw4z)
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He won't.
Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 26, 2017 02:16 PM (vRcUp)
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Tunnel in the Sky was one of my favorites from that class.
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Loved that one too.
So many of the juveniles were just really great reads. Heinlein had a specific mission in mind in writing these books, as there are some recurring themes of coming of age and gaining responsibility for yourself and other around you.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 02:08 PM
A copy of Red Planet in the school library in seventh grade was my introduction to science fiction addiction, from which I've never recovered.
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Loved that one too.
So many of the juveniles were just really great reads. Heinlein had a specific mission in mind in writing these books, as there are some recurring themes of coming of age and gaining responsibility for yourself and other around you.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 26, 2017 02:08 PM
A copy of Red Planet in the school library in seventh grade was my introduction to science fiction addiction, from which I've never recovered.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2017 02:16 PM (DMUuz)
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BTW, since "Jaws" was mentioned above, another movie which turns a pretty awful book into a cinema classic is "The Outlaw Josey Wales." All the good lines, all the humor, all the interesting characterization, are Hollywood alone. The book is utter crap.
The sequel is far, far worse, notable mostly for the vivid descriptions of teenage and younger girls being raped.
The sequel is far, far worse, notable mostly for the vivid descriptions of teenage and younger girls being raped.
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 26, 2017 02:18 PM (bZ7mE)
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The first Heinlein book I ever read was "The Rolling Stones". I was in 3rd grade and the library had a copy. No memory of why I picked it from the shelf but it started me reading just about everything Heinlein wrote. Still thumb through it every few years.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 02:20 PM (V+03K)
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As to real life spies who became spy novelists I would offer up Isser Harel. Harel was the spymaster of Israel, having built the Mossad and the Shin Bet. After he left for civilian life he wrote spy novels. I recommend his 1973 book, Jihad. Very interesting.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2017 02:22 PM (zc3Db)
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HD Woodard I will check out your book, and if I like it, I will delurk to sing its praises @ AOSHQ.
Posted by: Regular joe at March 26, 2017 02:22 PM (ROIz5)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 02:24 PM (Nwg0u)
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I think the only SiFi books I ever read were by J.D. Robb. Gma got me one for Christmas in the 90's sometime. Rea a few, but it always seemed like the same plot.
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 02:26 PM (uKRys)
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On the other hand, today we're seeing companies like SPaceX and Blue Origin landing rockets vertically on retractable legs, just like in the old science fiction novels.
As I have seen it written, the rockets land on a tail of fire just the way God and Robert A. Heinlein intended.
As I have seen it written, the rockets land on a tail of fire just the way God and Robert A. Heinlein intended.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 02:28 PM (HV1LS)
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OregonMuse-
I would give "Man In the High Castle" a second read. I
have long suspected that the main character of the book is the I Ching and that Dick wrote the book as a writing experiment using the I Ching. The rhythm of the plot suggests this strongly as does the overarching concepts of destiny and predestination. The result is the rather esoteric "bare bones" quality described by other commenters. The reader is meant to feel somewhat off balance and swept along without a concrete resolution.
The television series was entertaining with excellent cinematography, continuity, introduction titles, and the creepiest version of "Edelweiss" I have ever heard.
I visited the set for the first season New York scenes here in Seattle. I admit it was a strange experience to watch from the shadows of an alley as a nazi patrol marched past me. True to life after more than a decade of occupation they were a sloppy but intimidating force. My praise ends there. I was hoping for an unapologetically strong male Jewish character in the lead, and was handed the same tired trope of a weak willed lower case jew. They took a hard boiled combat veteran who survived the first wave of foreign occupying force and replaced him with a hollow man who allows himself to be manipulated throughout the series. The gassing scene was completely gratuitous. Julianna's adept martial art skills are reduced to a hobby and you get the impression that the main characters have lived a sheltered life in the occupation unlike the "tough" resistance members. The effort the show put into humanizing the nazi characters, while expending an equal effort degrading the characters of Frank and Julianna, then elevating Julianna to some sort of holy "chosen one "status of an eternal revolutionary was grating to say the least. The replacement of the book with a film was the cardinal sin. The concept is unlikely, that somehow film production and development labs could survive and thrive under direct occupation while relying on an army of underground projectionists. Projectors aren't easy to maintain in peacetime, no less under occupation or war shortages, and are top of the list for confiscation by an invading force.I understand there is a modern prejudice towards the value of books. It's not likely a single book could change history or fuel the rise of an online sales empire right?
As to what I am reading now, always Wodehouse, "The Marches" by Rory Stewart-a how to of Norman genocide so far, and "The Gothic Image: Religious Art in France of the Thirteenth Century" by Emile Male preparing for my next time machine excursion. I have a penchant for travelogues to places that no longer exist.
I would give "Man In the High Castle" a second read. I
have long suspected that the main character of the book is the I Ching and that Dick wrote the book as a writing experiment using the I Ching. The rhythm of the plot suggests this strongly as does the overarching concepts of destiny and predestination. The result is the rather esoteric "bare bones" quality described by other commenters. The reader is meant to feel somewhat off balance and swept along without a concrete resolution.
The television series was entertaining with excellent cinematography, continuity, introduction titles, and the creepiest version of "Edelweiss" I have ever heard.
I visited the set for the first season New York scenes here in Seattle. I admit it was a strange experience to watch from the shadows of an alley as a nazi patrol marched past me. True to life after more than a decade of occupation they were a sloppy but intimidating force. My praise ends there. I was hoping for an unapologetically strong male Jewish character in the lead, and was handed the same tired trope of a weak willed lower case jew. They took a hard boiled combat veteran who survived the first wave of foreign occupying force and replaced him with a hollow man who allows himself to be manipulated throughout the series. The gassing scene was completely gratuitous. Julianna's adept martial art skills are reduced to a hobby and you get the impression that the main characters have lived a sheltered life in the occupation unlike the "tough" resistance members. The effort the show put into humanizing the nazi characters, while expending an equal effort degrading the characters of Frank and Julianna, then elevating Julianna to some sort of holy "chosen one "status of an eternal revolutionary was grating to say the least. The replacement of the book with a film was the cardinal sin. The concept is unlikely, that somehow film production and development labs could survive and thrive under direct occupation while relying on an army of underground projectionists. Projectors aren't easy to maintain in peacetime, no less under occupation or war shortages, and are top of the list for confiscation by an invading force.I understand there is a modern prejudice towards the value of books. It's not likely a single book could change history or fuel the rise of an online sales empire right?
As to what I am reading now, always Wodehouse, "The Marches" by Rory Stewart-a how to of Norman genocide so far, and "The Gothic Image: Religious Art in France of the Thirteenth Century" by Emile Male preparing for my next time machine excursion. I have a penchant for travelogues to places that no longer exist.
Posted by: wilbeforce at March 26, 2017 02:29 PM (9CvIS)
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Posted by: Obamaisacommunist at March 26, 2017 01:57 PM (H5WWY)
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Poison enthusiast Flavia de Luce is one of the great literary creations.
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Poison enthusiast Flavia de Luce is one of the great literary creations.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 02:31 PM (PhYV5)
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Someone just mentioned Scott Adams. Please take the time to go to blog.dilbert.com and read his latest about Trump and healthcare.
I note - and perhaps by so noting I am breaking a spell - that the threads this weekend have NOT been largely about Trump and the crazy Left. Yes, I know, we have the topic threads as a break from all that, but it has not been a very sharp line of demarcation this year.
I think Adams is right, the failure of the healthcare bill breaks the Trump=Hitler meme. I don't think it was intended - Adams does not either, he says it was inadvertent. As much as we hate politicians and politics of usual, this really normalizes Trump's presidency.
I note - and perhaps by so noting I am breaking a spell - that the threads this weekend have NOT been largely about Trump and the crazy Left. Yes, I know, we have the topic threads as a break from all that, but it has not been a very sharp line of demarcation this year.
I think Adams is right, the failure of the healthcare bill breaks the Trump=Hitler meme. I don't think it was intended - Adams does not either, he says it was inadvertent. As much as we hate politicians and politics of usual, this really normalizes Trump's presidency.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 02:32 PM (HV1LS)
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You can't get ant more fair than this:
Schumer: Dems 'willing' to work with GOP if they stop 'undermining' ObamaCare
From The Hill
Schumer: Dems 'willing' to work with GOP if they stop 'undermining' ObamaCare
From The Hill
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 02:33 PM (Nwg0u)
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The television series was entertaining with excellent cinematography, continuity, introduction titles, and the creepiest version of "Edelweiss" I have ever heard.
Posted by: wilbeforce at March 26, 2017 02:29 PM (9CvIS)
I don't have an opinion on how faithful the adaptation was since I've never read the PKD, but agreed: the intro with that breathy and unnerving rendition of Edelweiss Wins All The Marbles.
Posted by: wilbeforce at March 26, 2017 02:29 PM (9CvIS)
I don't have an opinion on how faithful the adaptation was since I've never read the PKD, but agreed: the intro with that breathy and unnerving rendition of Edelweiss Wins All The Marbles.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 26, 2017 02:35 PM (8nWyX)
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In the interest of "de-lurking", I will say I first heard of "The Monk", and the recent Dubrow e-book "Beneath the Ziggurat" here, and enjoyed them both.
My favorite horror anthology was one of my father's books (he had lots of great books) "Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural", Modern Library, 1944, still in print and available from Amazon. Give it a try - you won't be disappointed!
"Dracula" remains my favorite horror book - so much better than any of the movies made from it!
On a completely different note, I am now reading "The Vanguard Satellite Launching Vehicle, An Engineering Summary" on Kindle. You really have to be an engineer to appreciate this one. It is a detailed account of the first US satellite launch vehicle. The complexity of the system is almost incredible, especially considering there was no such thing as CAD back then, and computers were in their infancy.
In other fiction, I recently discovered "The Curse of Capistrano", the original Zorro book. It is a great yarn, set in 1800s California, about what might well be called the first super hero.
On the political front, check out Dana Loesch's "Flyover Nation: You Can't Run a Country You've Never Been To". It somewhat idealizes middle America, but draws a powerful contrast between the self-appointed elites in this country and the rest of us.
My favorite horror anthology was one of my father's books (he had lots of great books) "Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural", Modern Library, 1944, still in print and available from Amazon. Give it a try - you won't be disappointed!
"Dracula" remains my favorite horror book - so much better than any of the movies made from it!
On a completely different note, I am now reading "The Vanguard Satellite Launching Vehicle, An Engineering Summary" on Kindle. You really have to be an engineer to appreciate this one. It is a detailed account of the first US satellite launch vehicle. The complexity of the system is almost incredible, especially considering there was no such thing as CAD back then, and computers were in their infancy.
In other fiction, I recently discovered "The Curse of Capistrano", the original Zorro book. It is a great yarn, set in 1800s California, about what might well be called the first super hero.
On the political front, check out Dana Loesch's "Flyover Nation: You Can't Run a Country You've Never Been To". It somewhat idealizes middle America, but draws a powerful contrast between the self-appointed elites in this country and the rest of us.
Posted by: rfitz3 at March 26, 2017 02:35 PM (yfvd5)
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I'm thinking of writing a book, ''Jacobs' Mom Buys Him a New Dress at Target But Is Afraid of Man Who Followed Her Around the Store Then Into The Bathroom''.
It will be a morality story about not judging someones gender just because that person dresses like a man.
It will be a morality story about not judging someones gender just because that person dresses like a man.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 02:36 PM (ZFUt7)
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Re: I've mentioned before that I found CS Lewis' "A Preface to Paradise Lost" to be HUGELY helpful in appreciating Milton's masterpiece. I noticed it has been re-issued in Kindle and paperback the last few years.
Thank you, JTB. I'll have to check this book out. Love CS Lewis, too.
Thank you, JTB. I'll have to check this book out. Love CS Lewis, too.
Posted by: squeakywheel at March 26, 2017 02:38 PM (dzorZ)
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This Number Of The Beast book sounds interesting. I might have one of my associates check it out.
Posted by: Hillary! at March 26, 2017 02:39 PM (DMUuz)
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404 Gack -- I will fix only one typo from previous -- the translator I like best is Shalian.
Posted by: sinmi at March 26, 2017 02:02 PM (JYPT+)
M. Night Shalian?
Posted by: sinmi at March 26, 2017 02:02 PM (JYPT+)
M. Night Shalian?
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 26, 2017 02:40 PM (0mRoj)
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#9
Finished Napoleon's Infantry Handbook by Terry Crowdy, I have been
deeply interested in Napoleoic warfare for 37 years but learned a lot on
the minutiae of the daily regimen of the common soldiers.
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I have a facsimile copy of "Barber's Instructions" (1804. It was an influential instruction manual for the new Baker Rifle-equipped British infantry units. A fascinating read. It even includes musical notation for bugle calls
I owned a Bake Rifle replica and used it successfully in local blackpowder matches.
Finished Napoleon's Infantry Handbook by Terry Crowdy, I have been
deeply interested in Napoleoic warfare for 37 years but learned a lot on
the minutiae of the daily regimen of the common soldiers.
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I have a facsimile copy of "Barber's Instructions" (1804. It was an influential instruction manual for the new Baker Rifle-equipped British infantry units. A fascinating read. It even includes musical notation for bugle calls
I owned a Bake Rifle replica and used it successfully in local blackpowder matches.
Posted by: mrp at March 26, 2017 02:40 PM (Pqytn)
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insomniac, you forgot the 'ding dong' on that guy
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 02:41 PM (R7cwD)
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In other media - a remake of Chris Isaac's "Wicked Game" by Parra for Cuva.
Check it - a completely different arrangement, and changes the song completely with a female vocalist.
Check it - a completely different arrangement, and changes the song completely with a female vocalist.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 02:41 PM (HV1LS)
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It will be a morality story about not judging someones gender just because that person dresses like a man.
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Didja see that AP's new style guide informs that "Gender refers to a person's social identity while sex refers to biological characteristics"
And that reality is a social construct.
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Didja see that AP's new style guide informs that "Gender refers to a person's social identity while sex refers to biological characteristics"
And that reality is a social construct.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 02:42 PM (Nwg0u)
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So, gun or food thread up next?
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 02:43 PM (uKRys)
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The William F. Buckley who was a CIA officer is not the William F. Buckley, Jr, who wrote of "God and Man at Yale". He was, instead, a career Army officer and CIA operative. In 1984 he was the Station Chief for the CIA in Beirut, Lebanon, when he was kidnapped by Hezbollah and tortured to death. He was buried in Arlington Cemetary after his remains were recovered.
Posted by: LifewithDaDa at March 26, 2017 02:43 PM (abQiB)
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As much as we hate politicians and politics of usual, this really normalizes Trump's presidency.
Posted by: blaster
Unfortunately, I can only see one 'win' for Trump on the horizon - a budget busting infrastructure 'stimulus'. Democrats love union jobs.
Tax cuts will be fought tooth and nail. Immigration wall will be fought tooth and nail. Any attempts to ease the middle class pain of funding ObamaCare will be fought tooth and nail.
Consolation is Hillary Clinton won't be president and packing the Supreme Court.
Posted by: blaster
Unfortunately, I can only see one 'win' for Trump on the horizon - a budget busting infrastructure 'stimulus'. Democrats love union jobs.
Tax cuts will be fought tooth and nail. Immigration wall will be fought tooth and nail. Any attempts to ease the middle class pain of funding ObamaCare will be fought tooth and nail.
Consolation is Hillary Clinton won't be president and packing the Supreme Court.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 02:44 PM (ZFUt7)
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This Number Of The Beast book sounds interesting. I might have one of my associates check it out.
Posted by: Hillary!
She hopes that third time is the charm.
Posted by: Hillary!
She hopes that third time is the charm.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 02:44 PM (Nwg0u)
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I owned a Bake Rifle replica and used it successfully in local blackpowder matches.
How does it compare in performance to the info in Sharpe's rifles?
How does it compare in performance to the info in Sharpe's rifles?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 02:44 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: DaveA at March 26, 2017 02:47 PM (FhXTo)
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420 Posted by: Secret Square at March 26, 2017 02:11 PM (9WuX0)
I love Jack London, but I've never read that book. I loved "White Fang," "The Call of the Wild," and "To Build a Fire."
Also shouldn't there be a food thread by now?
I love Jack London, but I've never read that book. I loved "White Fang," "The Call of the Wild," and "To Build a Fire."
Also shouldn't there be a food thread by now?
Posted by: Aunt Luna at March 26, 2017 02:48 PM (Zd2ZF)
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Tax cuts will be fought tooth and nail. Immigration wall will be fought tooth and nail. Any attempts to ease the middle class pain of funding ObamaCare will be fought tooth and nail. /i]
It doesn't matter what President Trump proposes of the GOP congress tries to pass. They could propose a law where President Trump steps down for Barack Obama to take over and the Democrats would fight it as unjust and harmful to children.
It doesn't matter what President Trump proposes of the GOP congress tries to pass. They could propose a law where President Trump steps down for Barack Obama to take over and the Democrats would fight it as unjust and harmful to children.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 02:48 PM (39g3+)
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I did not know about the other William F. Buckley. Per Wiki:
Major General Carl Stiner stated that "Buckley's kidnapping had become a major CIA concern. Not long after his capture, his agents either vanished or were killed. It was clear that his captors had tortured him into revealing the network of agents he had established."
According to the United States, Buckley had undergone 15 months of torture by Hezbollah before his death. According to several sources, as a result of his torture, he signed a 400-page statement detailing his CIA activities. In a video taken approximately seven months after the kidnapping, his appearance was described as follows:
Buckley was close to a gibbering wretch. His words were often incoherent; he slobbered and drooled and, most unnerving of all, he would suddenly scream in terror, his eyes rolling helplessly and his body shaking. The CIA consensus was that he would be blindfolded and chained at the ankles and wrists and kept in a cell little bigger than a coffin."
Major General Carl Stiner stated that "Buckley's kidnapping had become a major CIA concern. Not long after his capture, his agents either vanished or were killed. It was clear that his captors had tortured him into revealing the network of agents he had established."
According to the United States, Buckley had undergone 15 months of torture by Hezbollah before his death. According to several sources, as a result of his torture, he signed a 400-page statement detailing his CIA activities. In a video taken approximately seven months after the kidnapping, his appearance was described as follows:
Buckley was close to a gibbering wretch. His words were often incoherent; he slobbered and drooled and, most unnerving of all, he would suddenly scream in terror, his eyes rolling helplessly and his body shaking. The CIA consensus was that he would be blindfolded and chained at the ankles and wrists and kept in a cell little bigger than a coffin."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 02:49 PM (PhYV5)
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My sequel will be, "Jacobs' Mom Met Jacobs' New Dad in a Target Ladies Room After Buying Him a New Dress"
My sequel will be, "Jacobs' Mom Met Jacobs' New Dad in a Target Ladies Room After Buying Him a New Dress"
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 02:51 PM (ZFUt7)
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My sequel will be, "Jacobs' Mom Met Jacobs' New Dad in a Target Ladies Room After Buying Him a New Dress"
I'm envisioning a Lifetime miniseries
I'm envisioning a Lifetime miniseries
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 02:53 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: ******* at March 26, 2017 01:53 PM (1The2)
Nothing more needs be said except......
bye
Nothing more needs be said except......
bye
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 26, 2017 02:53 PM (d76uN)
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Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 02:49 PM (PhYV5)
Was is truth or fiction that some spy's carried cyanide pills for self consumption in that event?
Was is truth or fiction that some spy's carried cyanide pills for self consumption in that event?
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 02:54 PM (uKRys)
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My sequel will be, "Jacobs' Mom Met Jacobs' New Dad in a Target Ladies Room After Buying Him a New Dress"
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My book will be Ask Not For Whom the Bra Supports.
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My book will be Ask Not For Whom the Bra Supports.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 02:54 PM (Nwg0u)
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Ok, delurking...
I am a homeschooling mom, so most of what I read are picture books to the kids (which are some great short stories, by the way). But I recently made myself read "To Kill A Mockingbird" because my oldest will read it next year. It was a great book. She did do an exquisite job of writing details and building suspense about Boo Radley. She really was a master of telling this story as a memoir, occasionally coming back to the present with the reader. I did feel like I was living in town with her. I thought it was really interesting they way she showed the character of her father, and other towns people. Anyways, very enjoyable. Now I need to go watch the movie, which is currently on Netflix.
The other thing we do a lot is listen to audiobooks. My goldmine of free classics is Lit 2 Go. (etc. usf. edu take out spaces). It is a free online collection of the old classics. We have listened as a family (in the car) Tom Sawyer, Alice In Wonderland, Anne of Green Gables, Wizard of Oz. There is a ton of great books that are still worth reading (or listening to).
So the reason I never post is because I usually am so far behind the rest of the gang here. Literally, my screen is showing "Willow" as the last person. Does that mean that this will never be read because the next post is up? (as she seems to get willowed a lot) Anyways, I read you all through out the day, and don't go to bed without reading the ONT, but I am on the west coast so it is 3-400 posts in by the time I get there. I'll try to keep up. Anyways, keep up this fantastic place.
I am a homeschooling mom, so most of what I read are picture books to the kids (which are some great short stories, by the way). But I recently made myself read "To Kill A Mockingbird" because my oldest will read it next year. It was a great book. She did do an exquisite job of writing details and building suspense about Boo Radley. She really was a master of telling this story as a memoir, occasionally coming back to the present with the reader. I did feel like I was living in town with her. I thought it was really interesting they way she showed the character of her father, and other towns people. Anyways, very enjoyable. Now I need to go watch the movie, which is currently on Netflix.
The other thing we do a lot is listen to audiobooks. My goldmine of free classics is Lit 2 Go. (etc. usf. edu take out spaces). It is a free online collection of the old classics. We have listened as a family (in the car) Tom Sawyer, Alice In Wonderland, Anne of Green Gables, Wizard of Oz. There is a ton of great books that are still worth reading (or listening to).
So the reason I never post is because I usually am so far behind the rest of the gang here. Literally, my screen is showing "Willow" as the last person. Does that mean that this will never be read because the next post is up? (as she seems to get willowed a lot) Anyways, I read you all through out the day, and don't go to bed without reading the ONT, but I am on the west coast so it is 3-400 posts in by the time I get there. I'll try to keep up. Anyways, keep up this fantastic place.
Posted by: kakes at March 26, 2017 02:56 PM (tUGnI)
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She really was a master of telling this story as a memoir, occasionally coming back to the present with the reader. I did feel like I was living in town with her.
I recommend True Grit, the book, for the same kind of wonderful feeling.
I recommend True Grit, the book, for the same kind of wonderful feeling.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 02:58 PM (39g3+)
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They could propose a law where President Trump steps down for Barack Obama to take over and the Democrats would fight it as unjust and harmful to children.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 02:48 PM
No, this is the kind of bipartisan proposal that we keep asking for to help Keep America Great Again!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 02:48 PM
No, this is the kind of bipartisan proposal that we keep asking for to help Keep America Great Again!
Posted by: Chuck & Nancy, sitting it a tree at March 26, 2017 02:58 PM (DMUuz)
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Welcome, kakes.
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 02:58 PM (uKRys)
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>>It is funny, and true, and, yet, of the two authors, Cooper has had by
far the most influence - he pretty much invented the Western genre,
including the stock characters that inhabited it, and his work has a
great deal of philosophic depth to it.
Yeah, only read one Cooper book back in school, but IIRC he's credited with the 'just in the nick of time' style that is now the norm. Loved the Galazy Quest joke about this when they diffuse a bomb and the timer's countdown continues until until it hits 2 because that's always where it stops on the show
far the most influence - he pretty much invented the Western genre,
including the stock characters that inhabited it, and his work has a
great deal of philosophic depth to it.
Yeah, only read one Cooper book back in school, but IIRC he's credited with the 'just in the nick of time' style that is now the norm. Loved the Galazy Quest joke about this when they diffuse a bomb and the timer's countdown continues until until it hits 2 because that's always where it stops on the show
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2017 02:58 PM (NOIQH)
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Usually a lurker myself, but I'm surfacing to recommend the Gray Man series by Mark Greaney. "Gunmetal Gray," the fifth and most recent, just published last month.
The series follows the adventures of a former black ops assassin who is on the run from the CIA--but has no idea why there a kill order has been issued. Great action, good character development.
Highly recommended.
The series follows the adventures of a former black ops assassin who is on the run from the CIA--but has no idea why there a kill order has been issued. Great action, good character development.
Highly recommended.
Posted by: Sean O'Brien at March 26, 2017 02:59 PM (WAUOJ)
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Thank you!
Posted by: kakes at March 26, 2017 03:01 PM (tUGnI)
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NR WFB was indeed in the CIA, but for only a couple of years. Seems unlikely that he was a secret subversive to split apart conservatism especially since many people credit him for actually saving/creating movement conservatism.
Buchanan wasn't tossed out by Buckley. Buchanan charted his own path, he primaried George H. W. Bush, he was the core of a branch of "paleo" conservatism.
Buchanan wasn't tossed out by Buckley. Buchanan charted his own path, he primaried George H. W. Bush, he was the core of a branch of "paleo" conservatism.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 03:02 PM (HV1LS)
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the barrel. I'm pretty sure I have enough haz-mat suits
You wrapped someone to go, how thoughtful.
You wrapped someone to go, how thoughtful.
Posted by: The Barrel at March 26, 2017 03:03 PM (FhXTo)
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My goldmine of free classics is Lit 2 Go. (etc. usf. edu take out spaces).
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Thanks for that resource.
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Thanks for that resource.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 03:03 PM (Nwg0u)
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My book will be Ask Not For Whom the Bra Supports.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 02:54 PM
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 02:54 PM
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Cooper's ligament at March 26, 2017 03:04 PM (DMUuz)
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If I chew my fingernails, is that carbs or protein?
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 26, 2017 03:04 PM (vRcUp)
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How does it compare in performance to the info in Sharpe's rifles?
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I've read nearly all of the Sharpe books. My Baker copy had a competition-grade Getz barrel and was .62 inch in diameter (carbine). The front sight is pretty thick, which isn't very precise for shooting over 100 yards, but it had to be built that way because it was at the muzzle end without any sight guards.
The rear sight is a simple V-knotch with a leaf sight to compensate for longer distance shooting. I didn't file the knotch for refinement, but the match shooting was all done at 50 yards, anyway.
A soldier shooting manufactured musket balls, that is, balls cast under ideal conditions, using good, fresh powder in a rifle with a clean-rifled barrel and good sights shouldn't have a problem hitting a man-sized target at 150-200 yards. The targets then were made of "deal" wood, about 5x2 feet. I think "deal" is a soft wood pine lathing board.
A highly-skilled marksman with a trusted rifle and carefully-selected powder and musket balls might get consistent hits on that 5x2 target out to 250 yards and maaaaaybe 300 yards, but that kind of shootings is very hard considering ball ballistics and the primitive sights. Under campaign conditions, where the infantrymen are likely casting their own bullets, then casting consistency also adds another layer of problems.
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I've read nearly all of the Sharpe books. My Baker copy had a competition-grade Getz barrel and was .62 inch in diameter (carbine). The front sight is pretty thick, which isn't very precise for shooting over 100 yards, but it had to be built that way because it was at the muzzle end without any sight guards.
The rear sight is a simple V-knotch with a leaf sight to compensate for longer distance shooting. I didn't file the knotch for refinement, but the match shooting was all done at 50 yards, anyway.
A soldier shooting manufactured musket balls, that is, balls cast under ideal conditions, using good, fresh powder in a rifle with a clean-rifled barrel and good sights shouldn't have a problem hitting a man-sized target at 150-200 yards. The targets then were made of "deal" wood, about 5x2 feet. I think "deal" is a soft wood pine lathing board.
A highly-skilled marksman with a trusted rifle and carefully-selected powder and musket balls might get consistent hits on that 5x2 target out to 250 yards and maaaaaybe 300 yards, but that kind of shootings is very hard considering ball ballistics and the primitive sights. Under campaign conditions, where the infantrymen are likely casting their own bullets, then casting consistency also adds another layer of problems.
Posted by: mrp at March 26, 2017 03:04 PM (Pqytn)
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Ooh, thanks for the Lit 2 Go rec, kakes! I usually stick with Librivox, but Lit 2 Go looks like it might have some treasures--I noticed the Andrew Lang fairy books, especially.
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at March 26, 2017 03:05 PM (Bbi5h)
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Posted by: Hrothgar at March 26, 2017 12:12 PM (gwPgz)
There is a short-story prequel which is also very funny and a sequel novel I haven't read yet. Rex and Sarah are a hilarious duo.
There is a short-story prequel which is also very funny and a sequel novel I haven't read yet. Rex and Sarah are a hilarious duo.
Posted by: waelse1 at March 26, 2017 03:05 PM (DXrCk)
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Ok, delurking to note my current read:
O'Neill: Life with Monte Cristo, by Arthur and Barbara Gelb
- a biography of playwright Eugene O'Neill. I think it's interesting, anyhow...:-)
JustDave in GR
O'Neill: Life with Monte Cristo, by Arthur and Barbara Gelb
- a biography of playwright Eugene O'Neill. I think it's interesting, anyhow...:-)
JustDave in GR
Posted by: JustDave in GR at March 26, 2017 03:06 PM (KBiU/)
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Wow, Lit to go has some great stuff. Thank you.
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 03:09 PM (uKRys)
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A highly-skilled marksman with a trusted rifle and carefully-selected powder and musket balls might get consistent hits on that 5x2 target out to 250 yards and maaaaaybe 300 yards, but that kind of shootings is very hard considering ball ballistics and the primitive sights. Under campaign conditions, where the infantrymen are likely casting their own bullets, then casting consistency also adds another layer of problems.
Can you get 4 rounds a minute with the thing?
Can you get 4 rounds a minute with the thing?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 26, 2017 03:10 PM (39g3+)
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How does it compare in performance to the info in Sharpe's rifles?
If you are really interested in the reality of the Baker rifle, DeWitt Bailey's British Military Flintlock Rifles has a quite a bit of info, including the results of trials done during the development of the pattern. Rather more modest performance than Cornwall's tales, which earns it a snarky reference in the postscript in one of the later Sharpe's books.
The feats in Cornwall's books could be done, but with late 19th century specialist target rifles firing elongated bullets and equipped with precision peep sights at known ranges, not with an issue, open-sighted military rifles firing early 19th century military issue powder and roundballs under field conditions.
If you are really interested in the reality of the Baker rifle, DeWitt Bailey's British Military Flintlock Rifles has a quite a bit of info, including the results of trials done during the development of the pattern. Rather more modest performance than Cornwall's tales, which earns it a snarky reference in the postscript in one of the later Sharpe's books.
The feats in Cornwall's books could be done, but with late 19th century specialist target rifles firing elongated bullets and equipped with precision peep sights at known ranges, not with an issue, open-sighted military rifles firing early 19th century military issue powder and roundballs under field conditions.
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 26, 2017 03:11 PM (bZ7mE)
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Was is truth or fiction that some spy's carried cyanide pills for self consumption in that event?
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 02:54 PM (uKRys)
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I don't know, but I would want one!
But not in a fake tooth, because you might accidentally take down an innocent man.
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 02:54 PM (uKRys)
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I don't know, but I would want one!
But not in a fake tooth, because you might accidentally take down an innocent man.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:12 PM (PhYV5)
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444 insomniac, you forgot the 'ding dong' on that guy
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 02:41 PM (R7cwD)
I've had nothing to do with that guy's ding dong.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2017 02:41 PM (R7cwD)
I've had nothing to do with that guy's ding dong.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 26, 2017 03:14 PM (0mRoj)
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Was is truth or fiction that some spy's carried cyanide pills for self consumption in that event?
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That's how Heinrich Himmler committed suicide while in Brit custody.
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That's how Heinrich Himmler committed suicide while in Brit custody.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 03:14 PM (Nwg0u)
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Yes, Eris, I would want want too. Especially if I was in the Middle East.
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 03:16 PM (uKRys)
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Can you get 4 rounds a minute with the thing?
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That's a smoothbore musket number
Gun powder is hygroscopic - it absorbs moisture from the air. On a hot, humid, NC summer day, I was lucky to fire three shots before it came time to muscle the next ball and patch down the muzzle. After five, I had to clean the barrel with water and swab before I could reload.
It rained hard on the day and night before Waterloo. I bet those 95th riflemen were cleaning barrels like crazy during the battle.
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That's a smoothbore musket number
Gun powder is hygroscopic - it absorbs moisture from the air. On a hot, humid, NC summer day, I was lucky to fire three shots before it came time to muscle the next ball and patch down the muzzle. After five, I had to clean the barrel with water and swab before I could reload.
It rained hard on the day and night before Waterloo. I bet those 95th riflemen were cleaning barrels like crazy during the battle.
Posted by: mrp at March 26, 2017 03:20 PM (Pqytn)
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I have a tangent that I've been meaning to ask in a book thread for weeks.
Does anyone else have trouble accounting for their library on account of pointing it out while drinking?
Recently I was discussing hunting with a friend, and drinking of course, and said "You MUST read this one by Capstick. Incredible stuff." I mean, not quite in the aristocratic tone I just read my own writing in, but y'know, enthusiastic recommendation.
So I go to the shelf where I last saw The Last Ivory Hunter and it's not there. And then I have this little fizzle of memory of lending it out to someone else during a previous bout of drunkenness, I'm known to experience such episodes not infrequently, and I'm not sure who this borrower is, but in any case the particular volume is no longer on my shelf.
So it now occurs to me, I have lent out many of my favorite books, almost always when someone is over for drinks. I have no means of accounting for or recovering them. This is sad in and of itself, as some were gifts or have special significance to me, but leads to added embarrassment as I cannot satisfy my offer and/or get outed as the drunk that I am in my home in the company of people whose company I enjoy.
Does anyone else have this problem or am I a total kook?
Does anyone else have trouble accounting for their library on account of pointing it out while drinking?
Recently I was discussing hunting with a friend, and drinking of course, and said "You MUST read this one by Capstick. Incredible stuff." I mean, not quite in the aristocratic tone I just read my own writing in, but y'know, enthusiastic recommendation.
So I go to the shelf where I last saw The Last Ivory Hunter and it's not there. And then I have this little fizzle of memory of lending it out to someone else during a previous bout of drunkenness, I'm known to experience such episodes not infrequently, and I'm not sure who this borrower is, but in any case the particular volume is no longer on my shelf.
So it now occurs to me, I have lent out many of my favorite books, almost always when someone is over for drinks. I have no means of accounting for or recovering them. This is sad in and of itself, as some were gifts or have special significance to me, but leads to added embarrassment as I cannot satisfy my offer and/or get outed as the drunk that I am in my home in the company of people whose company I enjoy.
Does anyone else have this problem or am I a total kook?
Posted by: Intoxicant at March 26, 2017 03:22 PM (hDDgx)
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472 If I chew my fingernails, is that carbs or protein?
Posted by: Joe Biden
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We've been over this, Joey.
Fingernails are not digestible.
Paste is raw starch, which is also not easily digestible.
Boogers are probably your healthiest option here.
Posted by: Joe Biden
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We've been over this, Joey.
Fingernails are not digestible.
Paste is raw starch, which is also not easily digestible.
Boogers are probably your healthiest option here.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 26, 2017 03:23 PM (4bKiB)
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"The William F. Buckley who was a CIA officer is not the William F. Buckley, Jr, who wrote of "God and Man at Yale". He was, instead, a career Army officer and CIA operative. In 1984 he was the Station Chief for the CIA in Beirut, Lebanon, when he was kidnapped by Hezbollah and tortured to death. He was buried in Arlington Cemetary after his remains were recovered. Posted by: LifewithDaDa
OK ... that makes more sense. But the other WFB was more briefly CIA.
The "paleo-conservative" thing is me to an extent I guess. Bush I was installed with Reagan, and he was CIA to the core. There seems to be strong ties between the globalists and the CIA, (and maybe the CFR ties them all together). Buchanan now looks prescient to me now, but I can't put all those historical pieces together. Trump was right on NAFTA way back in 1990, but debt and bubbles was the game.
Long ago I wondered why we didn't take Baghdad the first time, and around 2005 I'd argue we should stay in Iraq and bring in Wal-Mart. Now Mattis seems to be saying we will stay this time. Something will crack.
OK ... that makes more sense. But the other WFB was more briefly CIA.
The "paleo-conservative" thing is me to an extent I guess. Bush I was installed with Reagan, and he was CIA to the core. There seems to be strong ties between the globalists and the CIA, (and maybe the CFR ties them all together). Buchanan now looks prescient to me now, but I can't put all those historical pieces together. Trump was right on NAFTA way back in 1990, but debt and bubbles was the game.
Long ago I wondered why we didn't take Baghdad the first time, and around 2005 I'd argue we should stay in Iraq and bring in Wal-Mart. Now Mattis seems to be saying we will stay this time. Something will crack.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM (BrMft)
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I like picture books!
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 26, 2017 03:25 PM (En33R)
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Does anyone else have this problem or am I a total kook?
Posted by: Intoxicant at March 26, 2017 03:22 PM (hDDgx)
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Sir, you may be nuttier than a fruitcake, but that is not germane to the issue.
I would invite some of your friends back individually, pour them some hooch, and ask how they've enjoyed "that book". Let them fill in the lacunae.
Also, you might want to keep a nice leather-bound checkout log on a plinth and let them sign out your books.
Does anyone else have this problem or am I a total kook?
Posted by: Intoxicant at March 26, 2017 03:22 PM (hDDgx)
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Sir, you may be nuttier than a fruitcake, but that is not germane to the issue.
I would invite some of your friends back individually, pour them some hooch, and ask how they've enjoyed "that book". Let them fill in the lacunae.
Also, you might want to keep a nice leather-bound checkout log on a plinth and let them sign out your books.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:27 PM (PhYV5)
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Lurker here. Currently reading Servant of the Crown Mysteries by Denise Domning. An unemployed Knight is pressed into being a medieval Detective by being charged to decree on on all murders and rapes in the shire. His untrustworthy sidekick an annoying monk, is quite delightful in his transformation into a geeky Dr. Watson. Meanwhile there is a crooked Sheriff that is out to get rid of the Sir Crowner.
It's a three book set and I'm currently on the third one.
It's a three book set and I'm currently on the third one.
Posted by: Aewl at March 26, 2017 03:27 PM (fOmL3)
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Long ago I wondered why we didn't take Baghdad the first time,
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Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM (BrMft)
Forgot about me already have you?
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Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM (BrMft)
Forgot about me already have you?
Posted by: Colon Bowel at March 26, 2017 03:28 PM (gwPgz)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 26, 2017 03:14 PM (Nwg0u)
Also Goering , who had hid the pill in a jar of hair cream. They allowed him his personal belongings before he was to to be hung. He denied the hangman. You think they would have learned with Himmler.
Also Goering , who had hid the pill in a jar of hair cream. They allowed him his personal belongings before he was to to be hung. He denied the hangman. You think they would have learned with Himmler.
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (PhYV5)
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Also Goering , who had hid the pill in a jar of hair cream. They allowed him his personal belongings before he was to to be hung. He denied the hangman. You think they would have learned with Himmler.
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (IDPbH)
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Didn't Goering off himself via cyanide?
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (IDPbH)
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Didn't Goering off himself via cyanide?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:30 PM (PhYV5)
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Sir, you may be nuttier than a fruitcake, but that is not germane to the issue.
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The god damn Germans got nothin to do with it!
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The god damn Germans got nothin to do with it!
Posted by: Sheriff Buford T Justice of Texas at March 26, 2017 03:31 PM (kTF2Z)
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Does anyone else have this problem or am I a total kook?Posted by: Intoxicant
Case dependent memory.
Get drunk again, stand in front of the bookcase, and reach for the missing book. The memory may return.
It actually works better with stimulants than depressents like alcohol, but you have nothing to lose except healthy liver tissue.
Case dependent memory.
Get drunk again, stand in front of the bookcase, and reach for the missing book. The memory may return.
It actually works better with stimulants than depressents like alcohol, but you have nothing to lose except healthy liver tissue.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 03:33 PM (ZFUt7)
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That's how Heinrich Himmler committed suicide while in Brit custody.
Bogus story. That was a double.
The real Heinrich Himmler is a 117 year-old guy who is advising the Trump Administration on how to throw grandma over a cliff.
Bogus story. That was a double.
The real Heinrich Himmler is a 117 year-old guy who is advising the Trump Administration on how to throw grandma over a cliff.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 26, 2017 03:33 PM (8ZskC)
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I like that word plinth!
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 03:34 PM (uKRys)
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Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM (BrMft)
If we would have taken Baghdad the first time and had to fight the same type insurgency with some subsequent ' nation building' ....well let's say whatever you do it's a no win when reviews by 20/20 critics.
If we would have taken Baghdad the first time and had to fight the same type insurgency with some subsequent ' nation building' ....well let's say whatever you do it's a no win when reviews by 20/20 critics.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 03:34 PM (IDPbH)
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It actually works better with stimulants than
depressents like alcohol, but you have nothing to lose except healthy
liver tissue.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 03:33 PM (ZFUt7)
*turns on monitor wipers*
depressents like alcohol, but you have nothing to lose except healthy
liver tissue.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 26, 2017 03:33 PM (ZFUt7)
*turns on monitor wipers*
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 03:36 PM (uKRys)
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Oh, cool, the book thread is still here! And so is Eris!
It's like my two favorite Sunday morning things served warm and toasty on a Sunday afternoon.
So it now occurs to me, I have lent out many of my favorite books, almost always when someone is over for drinks. I have no means of accounting for or recovering them.
If you have a good specialty collection like your hunting books you might consider getting an "ex libris" stamp to mark them as your own. I have a pretty awesome fishing library, but I don't have friends over.
Now, putting an "ex libris" in your book isn't going to "account" for it in the sense of you knowing whom you lent it to. It's useless for keeping track, but whoever has the book will know it's yours.
They won't give it back, of course, but they can't avoid the knowledge. And with the knowledge comes the guilt, and with the guilt comes the black rot which will seep into their souls. That rot will lead to shame and perfidy.
You may claim some innocent victims as your book borrowers prey upon the lambs of society, but you'll get them eventually. They'll die horrid shameful deaths in sordid circumstances.
Then you can steal your books back.
It's like my two favorite Sunday morning things served warm and toasty on a Sunday afternoon.
So it now occurs to me, I have lent out many of my favorite books, almost always when someone is over for drinks. I have no means of accounting for or recovering them.
If you have a good specialty collection like your hunting books you might consider getting an "ex libris" stamp to mark them as your own. I have a pretty awesome fishing library, but I don't have friends over.
Now, putting an "ex libris" in your book isn't going to "account" for it in the sense of you knowing whom you lent it to. It's useless for keeping track, but whoever has the book will know it's yours.
They won't give it back, of course, but they can't avoid the knowledge. And with the knowledge comes the guilt, and with the guilt comes the black rot which will seep into their souls. That rot will lead to shame and perfidy.
You may claim some innocent victims as your book borrowers prey upon the lambs of society, but you'll get them eventually. They'll die horrid shameful deaths in sordid circumstances.
Then you can steal your books back.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 26, 2017 03:36 PM (gIRsn)
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 03:39 PM (uKRys)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 26, 2017 03:40 PM (gIRsn)
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Then you can steal your books back.
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Or you could put an explosive collar on them set to detonate in a week or so. That would work.
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Or you could put an explosive collar on them set to detonate in a week or so. That would work.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2017 03:40 PM (kTF2Z)
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494 Also Goering , who had hid the pill in a jar of hair cream. They allowed him his personal belongings before he was to to be hung. He denied the hangman. You think they would have learned with Himmler.
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (IDPbH)
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Didn't Goering off himself via cyanide?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:30 PM (PhYV5)
Yes that he hid in a jar of his hair cream.
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (IDPbH)
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Didn't Goering off himself via cyanide?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:30 PM (PhYV5)
Yes that he hid in a jar of his hair cream.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 03:41 PM (IDPbH)
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Or course then you'll would have to clean the blood off of your books. That's something to consider.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2017 03:41 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 03:42 PM (uKRys)
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i'm just glad to check up on the comments and find no propaganda for the oxford ring, diacritical marksists or other promotion of the commanist manifesto with their strategy of divide and conquer, rat bastard comma's.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 03:44 PM (WTSFk)
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Ex libris? That what you call someone who turns conservative?
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 26, 2017 03:44 PM (vRcUp)
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Long ago I wondered why we didn't take Baghdad the first time,
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Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM
Forgot about me already have you?
Posted by: Colon Bowel at March 26, 2017 03:28 PM
The stated reason for Gulf War 1 was the removal of Iraq from Kuwait.
Long ago I wondered why we didn't take Baghdad the first time,
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Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM
Forgot about me already have you?
Posted by: Colon Bowel at March 26, 2017 03:28 PM
The stated reason for Gulf War 1 was the removal of Iraq from Kuwait.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2017 03:45 PM (IqV8l)
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508 i'm just glad to check up on the comments and find no propaganda for the oxford ring, diacritical marksists or other promotion of the commanist manifesto with their strategy of divide and conquer, rat bastard comma's.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 03:44 PM (WTSFk)
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Speaking of drinking...
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 03:44 PM (WTSFk)
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Speaking of drinking...
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2017 03:45 PM (kTF2Z)
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Bush I was installed with Reagan, and he was CIA to the core.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM (BrMft)
I wouldn't call Bush Sr. "CIA" in any way. Sure, he ran the CIA for a bit but other than that he had nothing to do with intelligence. He wasn't trained in intelligence, never did any field work, never did any desk work ... never did much of anything. He just got the Director job as part of his family inheritance.
Me ... I never understood this notion of taking people with no knowledge of espionage and putting them in charge of the CIA. It seems as if we would have a higher opinion of the value of our spies and spy networks than to do something like that ...
But you hit on the Bush part with the globalists. That's where Bush Sr. (and the whole stinking Bush family) fit in. They are globalists through and through. And globalism is in direct conflict with Americanism.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 03:24 PM (BrMft)
I wouldn't call Bush Sr. "CIA" in any way. Sure, he ran the CIA for a bit but other than that he had nothing to do with intelligence. He wasn't trained in intelligence, never did any field work, never did any desk work ... never did much of anything. He just got the Director job as part of his family inheritance.
Me ... I never understood this notion of taking people with no knowledge of espionage and putting them in charge of the CIA. It seems as if we would have a higher opinion of the value of our spies and spy networks than to do something like that ...
But you hit on the Bush part with the globalists. That's where Bush Sr. (and the whole stinking Bush family) fit in. They are globalists through and through. And globalism is in direct conflict with Americanism.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2017 03:45 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 03:47 PM (WTSFk)
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Burn Notice: Bruce Campbell lost weight every season, to be in ... er ... fighting form when he did Ash vs the Evil Dead.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 26, 2017 03:48 PM (VdICR)
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It's like my two favorite Sunday morning things served warm and toasty on a Sunday afternoon.
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Gettin' there!
*raises gin and tonic in toast*
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Gettin' there!
*raises gin and tonic in toast*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:49 PM (PhYV5)
Posted by: CWP at March 26, 2017 03:50 PM (IDPbH)
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I was happy, when we got word of the cease fire, to find that all my appendages were still attached.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2017 03:51 PM (kTF2Z)
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494 Also Goering , who had hid the pill in a jar of hair cream. They allowed him his personal belongings before he was to to be hung. He denied the hangman. You think they would have learned with Himmler.
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (IDPbH)
Oh jeez, I read that as "Goebbels". Who used it too.
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 26, 2017 03:29 PM (IDPbH)
Oh jeez, I read that as "Goebbels". Who used it too.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:51 PM (PhYV5)
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Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:51 PM (PhYV5)
Goebbels was the worst because he poisoned all of his children too.
Goebbels was the worst because he poisoned all of his children too.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 26, 2017 03:53 PM (IDPbH)
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I haven't seen anyone mention this but I may have just missed it...
Amazon often has a great deal on audiobooks if you've previously bought the Kindle version.
Many of the (copyright-free) books you can get for $0 on Amazon are also on Audible, and can be purchased for $.99 or so, which means you now have, say, The Wind in the Willows in e-book AND audiobook for .99.
Amazon often has a great deal on audiobooks if you've previously bought the Kindle version.
Many of the (copyright-free) books you can get for $0 on Amazon are also on Audible, and can be purchased for $.99 or so, which means you now have, say, The Wind in the Willows in e-book AND audiobook for .99.
Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at March 26, 2017 03:53 PM (adsVM)
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Hmm, Bander is a fan of the long game.
Me, I just nag my "friends" until they return it, inevitably unread.
Me, I just nag my "friends" until they return it, inevitably unread.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM (PhYV5)
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Ronald Reagan installed Bill Casey as DCI. Now that was a bold move.
Posted by: mrp at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM (Pqytn)
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A 7-hour thread?
Posted by: m at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM (Gqgs8)
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Didn't Goering off himself with cyanide?
Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 26, 2017 03:55 PM (PhYV5)
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Interesting - read a thing linked at Drudge that Glenn Beck is trying to re-establish Conservative bona fides by burning Tomi Lahren.
I don't think that will work.
I don't think that will work.
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2017 03:56 PM (HV1LS)
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FOOD NOOD!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 26, 2017 03:56 PM (6gk0M)
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A 7-hour thread?
Posted by: m at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM (Gqgs
Or maybe you should see a doctor?
A 7-hour thread?
Posted by: m at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM (Gqgs
Or maybe you should see a doctor?
Posted by: Infidel at March 26, 2017 03:56 PM (uKRys)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 26, 2017 03:56 PM (WTSFk)
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Sheesh, I'm either drinking too fast or not fast enough.
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Don't worry. You'll know after you wake up with your head on the tabletop.
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Don't worry. You'll know after you wake up with your head on the tabletop.
Posted by: mrp at March 26, 2017 03:57 PM (Pqytn)
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A 7-hour thread?
Posted by: m at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM
Hey, be glad it's not a three-hour cruise.
Posted by: m at March 26, 2017 03:54 PM
Hey, be glad it's not a three-hour cruise.
Posted by: The Professor & Mary Ann at March 26, 2017 03:58 PM (DMUuz)
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I'm not quite a lurker, having made maybe five comments here, lifetime.
In the early 1970s in college, I read a book that has made me incapable of taking feminist ideology seriously. It is "The Inevitability of Patriarchy" by Steven Goldberg. It is a tedious, step-by-step proof that documents everything, honestly considers all attempted refutations, and pounds them to dust, using the hammer of reason against the anvil of evidence. Briefly:
1) Patriarchy is not commonplace or prevalent -- it is universal. There has never been a matriarchy -- a society where women are expected to wield authority outside their families. Goldberg goes down the whole list of alleged exceptions form in anthro. lit. They all are actually matrilocal (husband moves to his wife's place), or matrilineal (family takes wife's name), not matriarchal (wife is in charge).
2) If a phenomenon of human society is not merely common or prevalent, but universal, it makes sense to look for a biological reason.
3) The XY brain in gestation is predisposed to aggressiveness by the prenatal masculinizing testosterone dose. (Aggressiveness is not violence or belligerence, but rather a propensity to impose one's will. In that sense, it makes sense to speak of an aggressive chess player, inventor, or civil rights advocate. A healthy society finds a way to connect young men's aggressiveness to a moral code that serves the society.)
4) If roles of leadership are granted competitively, then, other qualities being equal, the more aggressive competitor will attain the leadership role.
5) Leaders come from the outliers on the aggressiveness bell curve. Yes yes yes, there are outliers among women who are more aggressive than the average man. They are competing, not against the average man, but against the outliers among men. The higher the status of the leadership role, the more the male winners outnumber the female.
6) Most societies acknowledge this truth, and do not expect women to seek self-worth competing in a game tilted against them. Anyway, women have more important things to do, such as civilizing their young sons by cradle songs, fairy tales, and furrowed brows of disappointment.
Later, Goldberg expanded this view in "Why Men Rule". I haven't read that one.
Amazon.com tells me that "The Inevitability of Patriarchy" (c) 1968, and "Why Men Rule" (c) 1993, are out of print, but available used.
The feminists don't review these books, or refute them, or deny their thesis. Sometimes, they misrepresent him, attribute to him claims he did not make, and refute the straw men. They generally ignore him.
In the early 1970s in college, I read a book that has made me incapable of taking feminist ideology seriously. It is "The Inevitability of Patriarchy" by Steven Goldberg. It is a tedious, step-by-step proof that documents everything, honestly considers all attempted refutations, and pounds them to dust, using the hammer of reason against the anvil of evidence. Briefly:
1) Patriarchy is not commonplace or prevalent -- it is universal. There has never been a matriarchy -- a society where women are expected to wield authority outside their families. Goldberg goes down the whole list of alleged exceptions form in anthro. lit. They all are actually matrilocal (husband moves to his wife's place), or matrilineal (family takes wife's name), not matriarchal (wife is in charge).
2) If a phenomenon of human society is not merely common or prevalent, but universal, it makes sense to look for a biological reason.
3) The XY brain in gestation is predisposed to aggressiveness by the prenatal masculinizing testosterone dose. (Aggressiveness is not violence or belligerence, but rather a propensity to impose one's will. In that sense, it makes sense to speak of an aggressive chess player, inventor, or civil rights advocate. A healthy society finds a way to connect young men's aggressiveness to a moral code that serves the society.)
4) If roles of leadership are granted competitively, then, other qualities being equal, the more aggressive competitor will attain the leadership role.
5) Leaders come from the outliers on the aggressiveness bell curve. Yes yes yes, there are outliers among women who are more aggressive than the average man. They are competing, not against the average man, but against the outliers among men. The higher the status of the leadership role, the more the male winners outnumber the female.
6) Most societies acknowledge this truth, and do not expect women to seek self-worth competing in a game tilted against them. Anyway, women have more important things to do, such as civilizing their young sons by cradle songs, fairy tales, and furrowed brows of disappointment.
Later, Goldberg expanded this view in "Why Men Rule". I haven't read that one.
Amazon.com tells me that "The Inevitability of Patriarchy" (c) 1968, and "Why Men Rule" (c) 1993, are out of print, but available used.
The feminists don't review these books, or refute them, or deny their thesis. Sometimes, they misrepresent him, attribute to him claims he did not make, and refute the straw men. They generally ignore him.
Posted by: Whiggish Boffin at March 26, 2017 04:01 PM (UIP+b)
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Influential book recommendation for "How to Lie with Statistics." 1950s publication, and is accordingly dated in the examples that it cites, but I've never looked at reported statistics the same way since. Many ways that statistics were abused back then are still applicable today. It's a fun read, too.
Readily available through Amazon.
Readily available through Amazon.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 26, 2017 04:03 PM (o7l6R)
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"Me ... I never understood this notion of taking people with no knowledge of espionage and putting them in charge of the CIA. It seems as if we would have a higher opinion of the value of our spies and spy networks than to do something like that ...
But you hit on the Bush part with the globalists. That's where Bush Sr. (and the whole stinking Bush family) fit in. They are globalists through and through. And globalism is in direct conflict with Americanism. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
yeah, in general it seems the "globalists" have their own agenda and attained power at the top of many agencies, including at the Pentagon, and apparently including the IRS and perhaps every agency that was sent to harass the "True the Vote" woman, and others. But those in the ranks may still like America enough to right the ship. But with 95% voting for Crooked Hillary, it is hard to be confident change will come quickly.
But you hit on the Bush part with the globalists. That's where Bush Sr. (and the whole stinking Bush family) fit in. They are globalists through and through. And globalism is in direct conflict with Americanism. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
yeah, in general it seems the "globalists" have their own agenda and attained power at the top of many agencies, including at the Pentagon, and apparently including the IRS and perhaps every agency that was sent to harass the "True the Vote" woman, and others. But those in the ranks may still like America enough to right the ship. But with 95% voting for Crooked Hillary, it is hard to be confident change will come quickly.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2017 04:08 PM (BrMft)
535
This is the weirdest Sunday ONT I've ever read. It's all about book lernin.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 26, 2017 04:09 PM (tTTfk)
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Posted by: Whiggish Boffin at March 26, 2017 04:01 PM (UIP+b)
Not to mention the fact that women tend to lose their hold on rationality for 25% of the time. This is neither good nor bad but it is what it is.
Not to mention the fact that women tend to lose their hold on rationality for 25% of the time. This is neither good nor bad but it is what it is.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2017 04:11 PM (zc3Db)
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I agree with you on The Man in the High Castle. When I got to the end of the book I was annoyed. Ending? Not really. It is an interesting premise that does not go anywhere.
Posted by: Charles at March 26, 2017 04:16 PM (hR1rj)
538
I had always thought the two Buckleys were related -- second cousins, perhaps?
Can any Morons clarify this?
Can any Morons clarify this?
Posted by: Weak Geek at March 26, 2017 04:18 PM (83Ufd)
539
Still working on Rusty Puppy along with John's gospel for Lent. I'm a really, really slow reader...
Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 26, 2017 04:18 PM (joFoi)
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Don't worry. You'll know after you wake up with your head on the tabletop.
As long as your shoulders aren't on the floor, you're good.
As long as your shoulders aren't on the floor, you're good.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 26, 2017 04:18 PM (IcT7t)
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Posted by: Whiggish Boffin at March 26, 2017 04:01 PM (UIP+b)
C.S. Lewis' theory was that God put men in charge because women were intended to be the final defense of home and family, which made them (on average) *very* partial to that family and home. This made it actually safer for *everyone* if men were the final deciders in things that required impartiality. I don't know that he was right, but there's enough evidence to show that it's a reasonable idea at least.
C.S. Lewis' theory was that God put men in charge because women were intended to be the final defense of home and family, which made them (on average) *very* partial to that family and home. This made it actually safer for *everyone* if men were the final deciders in things that required impartiality. I don't know that he was right, but there's enough evidence to show that it's a reasonable idea at least.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 26, 2017 04:20 PM (sEDyY)
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Mostly lurker bookaday here.
I want to thank whoever it was, way back in 2015, who recommended the Liturgical Mystery Series. I read the first one and ended up with all of 'em on my Kindle.
Written tongue-firmly-in-cheek, they're about a police chief in a small town in North Carolina, who also happens to be the choir director for the Episcopal church, and keeps trying to write a hard-boiled mystery in the style of Raymond Chandler. Lots of wit and humor, along with a generous dose of slapstick and a dash of hyperbole. I THOROUGHLY enjoyed each one, so thank you, unknown moron/moronette!
I want to thank whoever it was, way back in 2015, who recommended the Liturgical Mystery Series. I read the first one and ended up with all of 'em on my Kindle.
Written tongue-firmly-in-cheek, they're about a police chief in a small town in North Carolina, who also happens to be the choir director for the Episcopal church, and keeps trying to write a hard-boiled mystery in the style of Raymond Chandler. Lots of wit and humor, along with a generous dose of slapstick and a dash of hyperbole. I THOROUGHLY enjoyed each one, so thank you, unknown moron/moronette!
Posted by: Bookaday at March 26, 2017 04:25 PM (2qDS0)
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542 ... Bookaday, I've loved the Liturgical Mystery series for a few years and frequently mention it here as have others. I'm glad you like them. I have them on Kindle but decided to splurge and get them all in paperback as well. Whenever I need something light hearted and hilarious, I turn to them or PG Wodehouse. I only read them at home because it's makes people nervous when I roar with laughter every few minutes for no apparent reason. :-)
BTW, check out the author's website. It has some of the funniest stuff on the internet. And have your audio turned on.
BTW, check out the author's website. It has some of the funniest stuff on the internet. And have your audio turned on.
Posted by: JTB at March 26, 2017 04:38 PM (V+03K)
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I mostly lurk, but from my nic you can see where my true passion lies. Books. Books. Books. Cereal boxes as a kid at breakfast. What I really am is an author junkie. Genre is irrelevant, although I find most chick lit can be written off. One of the best novels I've read in the last 10 years is Gargoyle by Andrew Davidson. First novel, and it knocked me out. Toss a seeming unredeemable and unrepentant protagonist, a possibly deranged sculptor, a burn unit and some Date's Inferno, and you've got something rare. Some if the medical stuff can be harrowing (it didn't bother me but others have found it troubling), but it's important and the book would be lesser without it. Not without humor, bizarrely enough, and a final chapter so right it made me weep, because it was so quiet and raw at the same time. Finally, its about love & faith, and how without them life is empty. I could go on for a Phantom Menace review number of words, but instead, use that time to find it. It's worth it.
Posted by: biblio at March 26, 2017 04:46 PM (4Dr5C)
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Having seen several recommendations for Charles Portis's great American novel "True Grit" above, I would like to suggest another outstanding work by Portis: his last novel "Gringos" (1991). His narrator is a middle-aged ex-Marine living in Mexico. He gets by by doing an interesting variety of odd jobs; some of them more or less legal and some of them ....much less legal.
Posted by: John F. MacMichael at March 26, 2017 04:58 PM (khzs0)
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The XY brain in gestation is predisposed to aggressiveness by the prenatal masculinizing testosterone dose.
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"This American Life" yesterday was all about testosterone. I only heard a bit of the show, but one of the segments was about a guy whose body quit making testosterone for a couple of months. He says that he felt total apathy when it was gone. He'd stare out the window for hours on end. Would go days eating nothing but white bread with mayonnaise.
(All of that is I guess the opposite of being aggressively, goal-orientedly, steak-eatingly masculine.)
Of course, that's just an anecdote. And maybe the thing that made him apathetic was just correlated with the thing that made him quit producing T, and not a symptom of the deficiency. But it was interesting that he said his personality changed, as an adult, as soon as the testosterone went away.
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"This American Life" yesterday was all about testosterone. I only heard a bit of the show, but one of the segments was about a guy whose body quit making testosterone for a couple of months. He says that he felt total apathy when it was gone. He'd stare out the window for hours on end. Would go days eating nothing but white bread with mayonnaise.
(All of that is I guess the opposite of being aggressively, goal-orientedly, steak-eatingly masculine.)
Of course, that's just an anecdote. And maybe the thing that made him apathetic was just correlated with the thing that made him quit producing T, and not a symptom of the deficiency. But it was interesting that he said his personality changed, as an adult, as soon as the testosterone went away.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 26, 2017 05:04 PM (OVUYQ)
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. . . One of the best novels I've read in the last 10 years is Gargoyle by Andrew Davidson. . . . It's worth it.
Posted by: biblio at March 26, 2017 04:46 PM (4Dr5C)
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Thanks for the recommend. Just read the first eight pages on Kindle.
I think I may be up late tonight . . . .
. . . One of the best novels I've read in the last 10 years is Gargoyle by Andrew Davidson. . . . It's worth it.
Posted by: biblio at March 26, 2017 04:46 PM (4Dr5C)
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Thanks for the recommend. Just read the first eight pages on Kindle.
I think I may be up late tonight . . . .
Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at March 26, 2017 05:16 PM (NqQAS)
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To my fellow 'ons and 'ettes who say that Jaws was a much better movie than the original book: Yes! I agree 100%. I've been saying that for years. Benchley went through the book and threw out every extraneous word. (Not to mention that casting Robert Shaw as Quint was a stroke of pure genius.)
Last night, I finished Skeleton God, Eliot Pattison's latest entry in his Inspector Chan mystery series. The Inspector Chan books are set in modern Tibet, and expose every ugly act the Han Chinese have done to Tibet and its people. But these books are not the least bit preachy. The atrocities committed by the Han Chinese against Tibet and its people are dealt with in a very matter of fact manner and are a major factor in the actions the characters commit. The series needs to be read in order, starting with with Skull Mantra.
Last night, I finished Skeleton God, Eliot Pattison's latest entry in his Inspector Chan mystery series. The Inspector Chan books are set in modern Tibet, and expose every ugly act the Han Chinese have done to Tibet and its people. But these books are not the least bit preachy. The atrocities committed by the Han Chinese against Tibet and its people are dealt with in a very matter of fact manner and are a major factor in the actions the characters commit. The series needs to be read in order, starting with with Skull Mantra.
Posted by: Deplorable lady with a deplorable basket of deplorable cats at March 26, 2017 05:32 PM (d2is5)
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I agree with you on The Man in the High Castle. When I got to the end of the book I was annoyed. Ending? Not really. It is an interesting premise that does not go anywhere.
Posted by: Charles at March 26, 2017 04:16 PM (hR1rj)
Agreed. I think he either lost track of where he had wanted to go with it, or he got tired of writing it. I liked the book up until they went to see him. I'd never heard Ride of the Valkyries on a kazoo before.
Posted by: Charles at March 26, 2017 04:16 PM (hR1rj)
Agreed. I think he either lost track of where he had wanted to go with it, or he got tired of writing it. I liked the book up until they went to see him. I'd never heard Ride of the Valkyries on a kazoo before.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 26, 2017 05:44 PM (o7l6R)
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128 Regarding Man in the High Castle, I know some people really dig that alternate history stuff, but it appeals to me not at all. I only took a chance on the Amazon series because some of their other dramas are so well done.
By the time the first series concluded, I decided I hated it. I thought it was over, that the series was done, but apparently not. I cannot imagine wanting to read the damn book, and I'm surely not going to bother with the second series.
I really would like to know the point. This alternate reality nonsense. I really would. I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (Pz4pT)
Reality sucks. These alternates show that reality could mega-suck. Pressure relief valve.
128 Regarding Man in the High Castle, I know some people really dig that alternate history stuff, but it appeals to me not at all. I only took a chance on the Amazon series because some of their other dramas are so well done.
By the time the first series concluded, I decided I hated it. I thought it was over, that the series was done, but apparently not. I cannot imagine wanting to read the damn book, and I'm surely not going to bother with the second series.
I really would like to know the point. This alternate reality nonsense. I really would. I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2017 10:33 AM (Pz4pT)
Reality sucks. These alternates show that reality could mega-suck. Pressure relief valve.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 26, 2017 05:56 PM (FtrY1)
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Another de-lurker here...
John C. Wright is a marvelous current sci-fi/fantasy author; he is also as appalled by the PC state of much science fiction (as well as the nation as a whole) as anyone. He does an incredible job with taking on William Hodgson's The Night Land with his own Awake in the Night Land. The setting is millions of years in the future where Mankind is trapped within slowly-decaying redoubts, beset by horrors that are inhuman and completely alien.
Also, his Somewhither is amazing as well.
For those who like YA fiction, I can't recommend Sylvia Engdahl enough. She's definitely a liberal, but her writing in Stewards of the Flame is definitely anti-authoritarian, even though the authorities are (more the most part) well-meaning tyrants rather than butchers. Also, her Far Side of Evil and the series that begins with This Star Shall Abide are quality reads as well.
For YA reading for Catholics -- Louis de Wohl's historical fiction involving saints is marvelous. I especially like The Quiet Light, in which St. Thomas Aquinas is main character (the main character is an English knight who falls in love with one of Aquinas's sisters).
John C. Wright is a marvelous current sci-fi/fantasy author; he is also as appalled by the PC state of much science fiction (as well as the nation as a whole) as anyone. He does an incredible job with taking on William Hodgson's The Night Land with his own Awake in the Night Land. The setting is millions of years in the future where Mankind is trapped within slowly-decaying redoubts, beset by horrors that are inhuman and completely alien.
Also, his Somewhither is amazing as well.
For those who like YA fiction, I can't recommend Sylvia Engdahl enough. She's definitely a liberal, but her writing in Stewards of the Flame is definitely anti-authoritarian, even though the authorities are (more the most part) well-meaning tyrants rather than butchers. Also, her Far Side of Evil and the series that begins with This Star Shall Abide are quality reads as well.
For YA reading for Catholics -- Louis de Wohl's historical fiction involving saints is marvelous. I especially like The Quiet Light, in which St. Thomas Aquinas is main character (the main character is an English knight who falls in love with one of Aquinas's sisters).
Posted by: philolurker at March 26, 2017 06:05 PM (6toGu)
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One of the best novels I've read in the last 10 years is Gargoyle by Andrew Davidson. First novel, and it knocked me out.
My daughter and I LOVED that book. I even sent one to a guy who runs a production company in hopes that he'd consider turning it into a movie.
Hard to believe that was a first effort.
My daughter and I LOVED that book. I even sent one to a guy who runs a production company in hopes that he'd consider turning it into a movie.
Hard to believe that was a first effort.
Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 26, 2017 06:39 PM (joFoi)
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15 year lurker, 1st post.
I also recommend Anne Cleeland's books. I found her on the book thread along with many others. Thanks to Oregon Muse and all of you for many hours of entertainment and great recommendations.
I read a Penny Reid book this week, Beauty and the Mustache. It's a romance, and I know that's not hugely popular on this smart military blog. Reid writes characters that are odd or weird and always entertaining. This book has a Nietzsche quoting game warden who is also a poet, 6 bearded hillbilly brothers, their sister who is reuniting with them after 8 years separation during a family tragedy, a knitting group, and a rabid raccoon. I thoroughly enjoyed it because of the family dynamics and humor. Not a typical romance.
I will now return to lurking.
I also recommend Anne Cleeland's books. I found her on the book thread along with many others. Thanks to Oregon Muse and all of you for many hours of entertainment and great recommendations.
I read a Penny Reid book this week, Beauty and the Mustache. It's a romance, and I know that's not hugely popular on this smart military blog. Reid writes characters that are odd or weird and always entertaining. This book has a Nietzsche quoting game warden who is also a poet, 6 bearded hillbilly brothers, their sister who is reuniting with them after 8 years separation during a family tragedy, a knitting group, and a rabid raccoon. I thoroughly enjoyed it because of the family dynamics and humor. Not a typical romance.
I will now return to lurking.
Posted by: FlamingTumbleweed at March 26, 2017 06:46 PM (OWMfv)
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Oh, and just to whet the appetite of the Horde, The Gargoyle starts off with a very attractive and very drunk male pron star driving home one late night when he sees flaming arrows coming at his car and goes over a cliff in a fiery crash, ruining his stellar looks and livelihood. Hijinks do not ensue.
Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 26, 2017 07:22 PM (joFoi)
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553 15 year lurker, 1st post.
Posted by: FlamingTumbleweed at March 26, 2017 06:46 PM (OWMfv)
Wow. That has to be a record. Thank you for your Penny Reid book rec.
Posted by: FlamingTumbleweed at March 26, 2017 06:46 PM (OWMfv)
Wow. That has to be a record. Thank you for your Penny Reid book rec.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 26, 2017 07:26 PM (WPSd5)
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de-lurker review: Brent Weeks's [i[Night Angel trilogy.
I started this 1200 page trilogy early in the week and haven't quite finished it yet, but I'm close enough to the end where I feel confident about reviewing it.
In the fantasy world of Midcyru, the once great country of Cennaria is overrun with rampant corruption that is enabled by a complacent elite class and a vain, inexperienced and effete King.
At least I think it's a fantasy.
Our story follows an orphan street rat who becomes the apprentice to the world's greatest assassin. Sorry, not assassin. A wetboy. A killer for hire who uses a combination of elite assassination techniques along with magic to ensure that their prey is killed. Assassins have targets because they sometime miss. Wetboys have deaders because once they take the contract, the person is already dead.
Going over the story from here would be kind of pointless. There's a lot of it, and I don't know how to summarize it any succinct way. But if I had to blurb it, I would say: Imagine Game of Thrones but without the rampant cynicism. I know, impossible right? It does have a lot of Game of Thrones elements. The heroes have awful things happen to them all the time (all...the...time...), characters that seem like they should full arcs are cut down suddenly, there's boobs (lots of boobs), and there's rape. A lot of rape. So much rape. Even homosexual rape. And shit, too. Actual shit.
However, it's all done in service to two worthy goals. Notice that homosexual rape thing up there? This book is super non-pc. The only explicitly gay character (who's one of the good guys) is that way because he was horribly sexually abused as a child. Noble Women are treated like objects of power rather than people, but they simply accept there lot in life as being part of their responsibilities rather than anachronistically preaching about 'women's rights'. Culture is understood as a deterministic factor in people's behaviors. War is shown to be a necessary fact of life. And so on. Anybody worried about Progressive politics being shoehorned into this book need not worry. I don't know the personal politics of the author, but the outlook of the book is (even if unintentional) fundamentally conservative.
The second goal that this book strives for? You see, despite everything that I have mentioned so far-what with the rampant sex and violence and swearing-this book is actually a Christian book. Most of this fantasy world worships a pagan pantheon. But the only characters that are unambiguously good, and try to change the world through goodness, worship "the God". They embrace the values of suffering and humility and strength of character. One of the best lines in the book is when the main character realizes that the girl he's been pining for the whole time, who seems impossibly good, is that way not because there's something innately special about her but because she has to work at it all of the time.
The story is essentially one of God meeting people where they are. He takes a horribly broken, corrupt, pagan world and slowly works His way through terribly imperfect vessels. People struggle and fight and often fall horribly short. But there is still hope. All of this is embodied in the main character, who's not religious or terribly hopeful, but nevertheless becomes an agent of God's divine retribution.
On a scale of 1-10: I'd say 9.
I started this 1200 page trilogy early in the week and haven't quite finished it yet, but I'm close enough to the end where I feel confident about reviewing it.
In the fantasy world of Midcyru, the once great country of Cennaria is overrun with rampant corruption that is enabled by a complacent elite class and a vain, inexperienced and effete King.
At least I think it's a fantasy.
Our story follows an orphan street rat who becomes the apprentice to the world's greatest assassin. Sorry, not assassin. A wetboy. A killer for hire who uses a combination of elite assassination techniques along with magic to ensure that their prey is killed. Assassins have targets because they sometime miss. Wetboys have deaders because once they take the contract, the person is already dead.
Going over the story from here would be kind of pointless. There's a lot of it, and I don't know how to summarize it any succinct way. But if I had to blurb it, I would say: Imagine Game of Thrones but without the rampant cynicism. I know, impossible right? It does have a lot of Game of Thrones elements. The heroes have awful things happen to them all the time (all...the...time...), characters that seem like they should full arcs are cut down suddenly, there's boobs (lots of boobs), and there's rape. A lot of rape. So much rape. Even homosexual rape. And shit, too. Actual shit.
However, it's all done in service to two worthy goals. Notice that homosexual rape thing up there? This book is super non-pc. The only explicitly gay character (who's one of the good guys) is that way because he was horribly sexually abused as a child. Noble Women are treated like objects of power rather than people, but they simply accept there lot in life as being part of their responsibilities rather than anachronistically preaching about 'women's rights'. Culture is understood as a deterministic factor in people's behaviors. War is shown to be a necessary fact of life. And so on. Anybody worried about Progressive politics being shoehorned into this book need not worry. I don't know the personal politics of the author, but the outlook of the book is (even if unintentional) fundamentally conservative.
The second goal that this book strives for? You see, despite everything that I have mentioned so far-what with the rampant sex and violence and swearing-this book is actually a Christian book. Most of this fantasy world worships a pagan pantheon. But the only characters that are unambiguously good, and try to change the world through goodness, worship "the God". They embrace the values of suffering and humility and strength of character. One of the best lines in the book is when the main character realizes that the girl he's been pining for the whole time, who seems impossibly good, is that way not because there's something innately special about her but because she has to work at it all of the time.
The story is essentially one of God meeting people where they are. He takes a horribly broken, corrupt, pagan world and slowly works His way through terribly imperfect vessels. People struggle and fight and often fall horribly short. But there is still hope. All of this is embodied in the main character, who's not religious or terribly hopeful, but nevertheless becomes an agent of God's divine retribution.
On a scale of 1-10: I'd say 9.
Posted by: Unranked Chevron at March 26, 2017 07:28 PM (VdfTj)
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I love all of Larry McMurty novels of the West. Even the Berrybender
novels. But, after reading The Last Picture Show. I tried All My Friends are going to be Strangers and could not get through this boring crap.
Didn't interest me. Supposed to be about McMurty's young adult days.
Also read Zeke and Ned -depressing but very entertaining novel of the
Indian territory in the lawless (not with hanging judge Parker?) days
before Oklahoma became a state. Buffalo Girls is kinda fun.
Last of the Mohicans with D D Lewis is when I first saw the wonderful
actress Jodhi May. I love the film A World Apart also- great soundtrack by Hans Zimmer. Wish J May didn't do so many British
TV series. The Amazing Mrs.Pritchard BLEAH!
novels. But, after reading The Last Picture Show. I tried All My Friends are going to be Strangers and could not get through this boring crap.
Didn't interest me. Supposed to be about McMurty's young adult days.
Also read Zeke and Ned -depressing but very entertaining novel of the
Indian territory in the lawless (not with hanging judge Parker?) days
before Oklahoma became a state. Buffalo Girls is kinda fun.
Last of the Mohicans with D D Lewis is when I first saw the wonderful
actress Jodhi May. I love the film A World Apart also- great soundtrack by Hans Zimmer. Wish J May didn't do so many British
TV series. The Amazing Mrs.Pritchard BLEAH!
Posted by: Glenn John at March 26, 2017 07:42 PM (cU9QR)
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I think the delurk invite was a wild success. Its now about a 9 hour thread. Glad to see others have also loved Gargoyle, and that Elinor, lurking lurkily, gave it a go on my recommendation.
Posted by: biblio at March 26, 2017 08:17 PM (4Dr5C)
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Ok, a 12 hour thread.
Posted by: biblio at March 26, 2017 08:17 PM (4Dr5C)
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The Mary Lasswell "Suds" novels from the '40's and 50's about three old dames who drink beer, meddle and flagrantly enjoy life.
So, 'Ettes.
There's Mrs. Feeley, the feisty one, Mrs. Rasmussen, the practical one and Miss Tinkham, the ex-music teacher who gives them some culture and class.
I tracked them down in vintage hardback, but they're available on Kindle.
So, 'Ettes.
There's Mrs. Feeley, the feisty one, Mrs. Rasmussen, the practical one and Miss Tinkham, the ex-music teacher who gives them some culture and class.
I tracked them down in vintage hardback, but they're available on Kindle.
Posted by: Sal at March 26, 2017 08:28 PM (hA4a+)
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Tomorrow my book club will cover Rodney Stark's _Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History_.
Myths addressed:
1) Sins of Anti-Semitism
2) The Supressed Gospels
3) Persecuting the Tolerant Pagans
4) Imposing the Dark Ages
5) Crusading for Land, Loot, and Converts
6) Monsters of the Inquisition
7) Scientific Heresies
Blessed Be Slavery
9) Holy Authoritarianism (incl. the Spanish Civil War)
10) Protestant Modernity
It's a fairly short book with ~230 pages of text and another +30 pages of footnotes and appendices. It condenses some topics from Stark's previous books. I have very little exposure to most of these topics, so I can't compare it to other histories. Stark provides a list of important scholars with each chapter if the reader is interested in reading more.
Myths addressed:
1) Sins of Anti-Semitism
2) The Supressed Gospels
3) Persecuting the Tolerant Pagans
4) Imposing the Dark Ages
5) Crusading for Land, Loot, and Converts
6) Monsters of the Inquisition
7) Scientific Heresies
Blessed Be Slavery9) Holy Authoritarianism (incl. the Spanish Civil War)
10) Protestant Modernity
It's a fairly short book with ~230 pages of text and another +30 pages of footnotes and appendices. It condenses some topics from Stark's previous books. I have very little exposure to most of these topics, so I can't compare it to other histories. Stark provides a list of important scholars with each chapter if the reader is interested in reading more.
Posted by: goodluckduck at March 26, 2017 09:15 PM (V8zw+)
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397 That was Uncas, not Chingachgook, on the elk hunt at the beginning. Very cool.
Posted by: Gem
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Dammit! Of course it was. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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But now, I have go retrieve the book to see if it is an Elk, or a deer. Of course, book and movie may differ.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 01:56 PM (ZO497)
Umm... not sure why I think it's an elk (Anne Elk: it is my theory, my theory it is, and it is mine), except that it seems really big. And, Uncas's nickname is "le cerf agile" which means "the bounding elk." That would make sense for cinematic bookends.
Posted by: Gem
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Dammit! Of course it was. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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But now, I have go retrieve the book to see if it is an Elk, or a deer. Of course, book and movie may differ.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2017 01:56 PM (ZO497)
Umm... not sure why I think it's an elk (Anne Elk: it is my theory, my theory it is, and it is mine), except that it seems really big. And, Uncas's nickname is "le cerf agile" which means "the bounding elk." That would make sense for cinematic bookends.
Posted by: Gem at March 26, 2017 09:32 PM (uaHyk)
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For more CS Lewis, there is a Youtube channel with doodles of some of his best work. It's called CSLewisDoodle. You know, like where someone with a good voice reads the text while an artist draws illustrations on the screen to help you follow the logical flow of what is being said?
Posted by: GK Chesterton at March 26, 2017 09:41 PM (h8PtN)
564
A fun fun book:
The Chinatown Death Cloud Peril by Paul Malmont.
A marvelous wonderful book that was pure fun to read. Walter Gibson and Lester Dent were the giants of the pulp era. There creations the Shadow and Doc Savage inspired readers with tales of adventures and is captured perfectly by the Malmont. But instead of the creations living the adventures it is the creators who do so. Joined by very familair characters like Hubbard, Hamilton, L'Amour and easter eggs that include the King Kirby and Stan the Man, this book will have you on the edge of your seat. Enjoy with a smile on your face and join the adventure!
The Chinatown Death Cloud Peril by Paul Malmont.
A marvelous wonderful book that was pure fun to read. Walter Gibson and Lester Dent were the giants of the pulp era. There creations the Shadow and Doc Savage inspired readers with tales of adventures and is captured perfectly by the Malmont. But instead of the creations living the adventures it is the creators who do so. Joined by very familair characters like Hubbard, Hamilton, L'Amour and easter eggs that include the King Kirby and Stan the Man, this book will have you on the edge of your seat. Enjoy with a smile on your face and join the adventure!
Posted by: Rgallegos at March 26, 2017 09:46 PM (59GQk)
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Hey everyone - well trying to de-lurk myself and even though this could be the 60th post, I still wanted to participate. First of all a big thank you and appreciation for the time AOS and all the thread authors take to keep us coming back!!
I wanted to share Shelby Foote's "The Civil War" volume I. Being from Memphis, where Foote wrote all three volumes, I am ashamed to say I hadn't consumed this before but it was definitely one to savor.
I wanted to share Shelby Foote's "The Civil War" volume I. Being from Memphis, where Foote wrote all three volumes, I am ashamed to say I hadn't consumed this before but it was definitely one to savor.
Posted by: Memsurfer at March 26, 2017 10:25 PM (q1zWx)
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Science-fiction trilogy by Cixin Liu, translated from Chinese. 1. The Three Body Problem, 2. The Dark Forest, 3. Death's End. It has to do with the discovery of an extraterrestrial civilization, their plans for us, and how we defend ourselves. The science is absolutely amazing, and it is one of the most imaginative storylines I've ever read. It never goes where you think it's going. All three books are among the best books I've ever read. Beg, borrow, or steal some copies to read. Your welcome.
Posted by: Jim S. at March 26, 2017 10:30 PM (ynUnH)
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I lurk here sometimes and make my home in Oregon like The Muse. It rains here and we read books.
Someone mentioned A Canticle for Leibowitz.
The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Huckleberry Finn byTwain
A Good Man Is Hard to Find by Flannery O'Connor - short stories
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Leguin who lives next door to a friend of mine
Moby-Dick by Melville
I Feel Bad About My Neck by Nora Ephron, who is one funny, entertaining woman
Someone mentioned A Canticle for Leibowitz.
The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Huckleberry Finn byTwain
A Good Man Is Hard to Find by Flannery O'Connor - short stories
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Leguin who lives next door to a friend of mine
Moby-Dick by Melville
I Feel Bad About My Neck by Nora Ephron, who is one funny, entertaining woman
Posted by: Liatris at March 27, 2017 04:36 AM (pPRTz)
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De-lurking! Mornin', all!
My reading has slowed down. I usually am taking on two books at a time, with a growing readng list, but it has all slowed down as I grind my way through Anna Karenina. Well written, likable book, I enjoy reading it, but I have become used to reading nonfiction, that it is a bit hard to sustain interest. Still, I'm glad I'm finally reading it, and though I'm only half way through, I would still recommend it to anyone hankering to take on a "classic".
My reading has slowed down. I usually am taking on two books at a time, with a growing readng list, but it has all slowed down as I grind my way through Anna Karenina. Well written, likable book, I enjoy reading it, but I have become used to reading nonfiction, that it is a bit hard to sustain interest. Still, I'm glad I'm finally reading it, and though I'm only half way through, I would still recommend it to anyone hankering to take on a "classic".
Posted by: XiledB4 at March 27, 2017 12:15 PM (lyIDR)
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417
I'm now about halfway through both "The Iron Heel" by Jack London and
"Lord of the World" by Robert Hugh Benson, two VERY different
Edwardian-era (190
dystopias but both of them strikingly prescient in their own ways. In
fact I'm planning on adding both of them to our vintage publication
stable in the near future:
www.monroestpress.com
I know both are available online for free and in other print
editions but I want to make these available in "real" book form with
some explanatory material added (by me). Plus I want to see if the
latter book can be marketed as a Steampunk-era dystopia and not just as a
"Catholic" novel. I suppose the London book may appeal more to lefties
and the Benson book to Morons and other righties, but really I think
both of them are good.
Posted by: Secret Square at March 26, 2017 02:11 PM (9WuX0)
I enjoyed Benson's novel. I'd like to read what others thought of it. Not so with London...(sigh) I guess I'll have to add yet another to the unflappable reading pile.
I'm now about halfway through both "The Iron Heel" by Jack London and
"Lord of the World" by Robert Hugh Benson, two VERY different
Edwardian-era (190
dystopias but both of them strikingly prescient in their own ways. In
fact I'm planning on adding both of them to our vintage publication
stable in the near future:
www.monroestpress.com
I know both are available online for free and in other print
editions but I want to make these available in "real" book form with
some explanatory material added (by me). Plus I want to see if the
latter book can be marketed as a Steampunk-era dystopia and not just as a
"Catholic" novel. I suppose the London book may appeal more to lefties
and the Benson book to Morons and other righties, but really I think
both of them are good.
Posted by: Secret Square at March 26, 2017 02:11 PM (9WuX0)
I enjoyed Benson's novel. I'd like to read what others thought of it. Not so with London...(sigh) I guess I'll have to add yet another to the unflappable reading pile.
Posted by: XiledB4 at March 27, 2017 12:20 PM (lyIDR)
570
I thoroughly enjoyed Little Big Man by Thomas Berger.
This is the book that inspired the Dustin Hoffman movie.
Loved LBM! I read it many moons ago, but thought it was so superior to the Hoffman Movie, which trivialized it into standard 60's propaganda (The wise natives), whereas in the book, each side has its own craziness, with the main character bouncing between two worlds.
This is the book that inspired the Dustin Hoffman movie.
Loved LBM! I read it many moons ago, but thought it was so superior to the Hoffman Movie, which trivialized it into standard 60's propaganda (The wise natives), whereas in the book, each side has its own craziness, with the main character bouncing between two worlds.
Posted by: XiledB4 at March 27, 2017 02:30 PM (lyIDR)
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Longtime Lurker, first time poster. For the PKD fans who want to enjoy The Man in The High Castle series, merely fast forward to the show within the show that I like to watch, "The Trade Minister and the Chief Inspector." Skip all the resistance goofs and schemers-screamers; just focus on these two actors. A master class in minimalism and world building, with subtle actors in the only part of the show that isn't schlocky. Not that shlock isn't good, I liked the "Nazi Mad Men" episode with everyone wearing Draper's clothes and drinking in the large NY home awaiting fireworks.
Posted by: AnAnonymousAuthor at March 27, 2017 08:48 PM (G7B2v)
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To Infidel: Plinth! Plinth! Plinth! It IS fun to say.
I noticed that my very first post on this book group is about a TV show (i'm infected! Get away! Save yourselves!). Rather than flog myself, I am going to write a fanfic in which The Trade Minister and the Chief Inspector go to a 1960s Disneyland in occupied America. Will Walt be mocked? He will, indeed!
I noticed that my very first post on this book group is about a TV show (i'm infected! Get away! Save yourselves!). Rather than flog myself, I am going to write a fanfic in which The Trade Minister and the Chief Inspector go to a 1960s Disneyland in occupied America. Will Walt be mocked? He will, indeed!
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