Clinton Ally and CIA Benghazi Talking Points Massage Therapist Mike Morrell: There's Smoke But "No Fire, At All" In Claims of Russia-Trump Collusion

That should be the end of the matter, but then, Clapper's statement that there was absolutely no evidence of such a deal also should have been the end of the matter, but wasn't.

As some wag -- maybe a commenter here -- hinted, the media is going to go through and endless cyle:

Pound the Russia drum.

When that fails, pound the tax drum.

When that fails, pound the Russia drum.

Occasionally mix in a Pussy March and then repeat.

On Trump's counter-suit (feels like a counter-lawsuit, anyway) that Obama wiretapped him:

Ryan and the Senate Intel committee say there's no evidence of surveillance at Trump Tower.

But that's Trump Tower. Trump's accusation was broad and sloppy, but I notice these denials are very specific and very precise.

For his part, Trump doubles down and promises that "evidence" will be coming soon, maybe in the next two weeks.

Meanwhile, Judge Napolitano claimed on FoxNews that three sources had told him that people in the Obama Administration had asked Britain's NSA, the GCHQ, to do the spying.

That's a routine and plausible practice -- it's well known that the US cannot spy on its own citizens, so it occasionally (and illegally) asks the British to do it for them, who are not barred from spying on US citizens. And the US performs the same favor in return for them.

Whether that happened here, who knows. But the general practice of "you spy on the ones we're not allowed to, and we'll spy on the ones you're not allowed to" isn't a well-kept secret. (See section titled "Concerns."

I have no idea on these claims. I do know, without a doubt, that Obama changed the rules regarding "minimization" (blacking out) of the names of US citizens "incidentally" caught in surveillance captures, and then disseminated this information all around the government. I also know that that information was subsequently leaked -- which I surmise was the plan all along.

The strident belief held by some that this didn't happen seems to rely chiefly on a belief that Obama wouldn't do something like that -- an opinion I don't share in -- and the claims of Obama's top ranking spymasters who say they wouldn't do something like that.

A claim I also don't put much stock in.

I'm increasingly baffled by what the rules on concerning propagating suspicions for which there is "no evidence" -- apparently one is officially a member of the Smart Set for propagating evidence-free suspicions about Trump collusion with Russian intelligence, but one is an unhinged conspiracy monger lunatic for entertaining evidence-free suspicions about Obama collusion with British intelligence.

Help me out, fellas -- what is the basis for this distinction, other than some of you seem to like Obama a lot more than Trump?

Posted by: Ace at 05:42 PM

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1 No smoke either...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 16, 2017 05:45 PM (O2RFr)

2 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 16, 2017 05:47 PM (GwIKd)

3 Russians ! Run !

Posted by: Yo! at March 16, 2017 05:48 PM (GwIKd)

4 Russia,Russia, Russia!

Posted by: Jan Brady at March 16, 2017 05:48 PM (O2RFr)

5 I wish I could quote a Spicer comeback to a press whore re Obama asking Britain's NSA to spy on Trump. It was a thing of beauty.

And damn, trying to type with a bandaged finger is haaaard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:49 PM (PY9jH)

6 Can we mix the scandals and get some Russian Pussy paid for by tax returns?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 05:49 PM (lhSsv)

7 Obama is like bin Laden. He'll spend his days in a safe house plotting his revenge, while watching goat porn.

Posted by: pep at March 16, 2017 05:50 PM (LAe3v)

8 The media is fucked up.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 16, 2017 05:50 PM (XQ30z)

9 I'm willing to bet ex-President Obama gets leaks of confidential info from loyalists in the intelligence agencies.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 16, 2017 05:50 PM (Om16U)

10 now why would the media treat claims about trump differently than obama?

I'm sure John Mccain will pipe in and tell us why

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:50 PM (sOknj)

11 "Ryan and the Senate Intel committee say there's no evidence of surveillance at Trump Tower."

I think we are dealing with a very finely-parsed definition of "wiretapping" and "surveillance" here.

The NSA vacuums up and stores the content of every phone call in America - yours, mine, Trump's. They don't need to "wiretap" anybody - the question is whether they accessed the information they already possessed about Trump's phone calls.

Through the "Five Eyes" agreement, all of what Winston Churchill called the Anglosphere shares this information - so the Brits certainly could have accessed the NSA's information, and provided it back to the Federal government in a deniable fashion.

Posted by: Whatever at March 16, 2017 05:50 PM (Mrl1e)

12 Whether that happened here, who knows. But the general practice of "you
spy on the ones we're not allowed to, and we'll spy on the ones you're
not allowed to"

Sounds like an Agatha Christie novel.

Posted by: pep at March 16, 2017 05:50 PM (LAe3v)

13 Ace, washed up rapper "Bow Wow" tweeted something about wanting to pimp out Melania. Gutfeld brought it up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:51 PM (PY9jH)

14 And the Russians are racist too. Never forget the racism.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 05:51 PM (lhSsv)

15
I'm sure John Mccain will pipe in and tell us why

I love that McCain said Rand Paul was a Putin lover and Rand Paul said McCain is senile...

Posted by: Jan Brady at March 16, 2017 05:51 PM (O2RFr)

16 "That should be the end of the matter, but then, Clapper's statement that there was absolutely no evidence of such a deal also should have been the end of the matter, but wasn't."

It should be, but I see Egg McMuffin's group is running ads demanding a special prosecutor for "Russia." Honestly, who gives money to that dolt.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 16, 2017 05:52 PM (OD2ni)

17 Lying liars gotta lie.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 16, 2017 05:52 PM (XQ30z)

18 I don't have much time for the blog today, but I just stopped in to say what a fucking masterpiece the articles have been today.

Thank you for keeping us sane, ace.

Posted by: Max Power at March 16, 2017 05:52 PM (QCc6B)

19 I want to know what Randolph Mancow's take is on this, first.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:52 PM (qoAfa)

20 >>>>Pound the Russia drum.
.
.
.And Trump has just turned that back on them saying their articles and broadcasts are proof of wire tapping.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 16, 2017 05:52 PM (le7jz)

21 "It should be, but I see Egg McMuffin's group is running ads demanding a special prosecutor for "Russia." Honestly, who gives money to that dolt."

Soros, almost certainly.

Posted by: Whatever at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (Mrl1e)

22 I did a series of tweets yesterday about how all of these people demanding that Trump show proof, or saying that Trump has no proof of his claim that he was spied on are, by implication, calling NYT liars and fake news for their Jan. story about information that they explicitly stated came from "wiretaps." That's not a stretch to say that, in fact, it's barely a baby step.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Aware and I WILL NOT COMPLY!) at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (Gh3fw)

23 It should be, but I see Egg McMuffin's group is running ads demanding a special prosecutor for "Russia." Honestly, who gives money to that dolt.

Soros

Posted by: Jan Brady at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (O2RFr)

24 Would it be so difficult for Republicans to simply withhold stating "Trump was not wiretapped!!!" until all the evidence has been produced?

I happen to think he was in part being monitored, and for some reason the front page of the NYT said he was and nobody really questioned that until Trump tweeted it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (v2I7b)

25

Tapper will not let go of the Russia thing either

Its ridiculoud

Posted by: ThunderB at March 16, 2017 05:54 PM (AlKcd)

26 Next up: The dems will start to justify spying on Trump.

Because Trump.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 05:54 PM (CLKfs)

27 I can't help but feel Trump has something

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 16, 2017 05:54 PM (O2RFr)

28 But that's Trump Tower. Trump's accusation was broad, but I notice these denials are very specific.

Since you're only 29 now you probably don't remember just how utterly slimy Bill Clinton was in his denials. If you don't pin these f_ckers *exactly* they'll deny all day long.

Something happened. Someone did it.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 16, 2017 05:55 PM (ZFUt7)

29 Trump in 2016: I'll cut spending

MSM: stupid rubes actually believe he will cut spending? Hahaha.

Trump today: I'm cutting this bitch

MSM: nobody saw this coming we are shocked

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (lhSsv)

30 "Meanwhile, Judge Napolitano claimed on FoxNews that three sources had told him that people in the Obama Administration had asked Britain's NSA, the GCHQ, to do the spying."

I tend to believe Napolitano. I suppose his sources could be wrong, but he certainly wouldn't make it up.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (CLKfs)

31 If the surveillance didn't happen how did they get a transcript of Flynns conversation? It clearly happened. Also, if it didn't happen why did the NYTimes Mcclatchy the guardian the Bbc and heat street say that it did happen? The question everyone should be asking is who ordered the gathering of the intelligence and who asked that person to order it and so on and so on and so on

Posted by: HarriedandHopeless at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (Y1Oht)

32 Ryan and the Senate Intel committee say there's no evidence of surveillance at Trump Tower.

If true, that must be the only place in America with respect to which the NSA doesn't hoover up all the telecom and internet traffic.

Trump Tower must then be like a "cone of silence" compared to the rest of the country.

Maybe this is why the Chinese rent space in Trump Tower?

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (3OAG2)

33 "Soros, almost certainly."

Directly, or funneled through someone like Rick Wilson? McMuffin does not seem that savvy.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (OD2ni)

34 I like that Tucker Carlson called this out and said basically to a Russia pumper on his show "what is the end game here? Do you want to go to war with Russia and have WWIII?"

It really set him back on his heels because they never really thought about it outside the DC game.

Even if the WORST case scenario of what they are claiming is true, that Russia wanted Trump over Hillary and so they hacked her emails. So what?

Basically every foreign leader lined up behind Hillary and tried to help in any way they could.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:57 PM (v2I7b)

35 just think, the worthless GOP couldn't get a special prosecutor for obama but egg mcmuffin types (we need a name for McDonalds type Republicans) are sure wanting one for fake ass rusia shit. Because perjury traps everywhere.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:57 PM (sOknj)

36 A few days ago, Ryan, being interviewed by Bret Baier, looked like he swallowed a worm when Baier asked him about the wiretaps.

He knew, and because he was, like all of the other establishment assholes (from both parties), he was caught totally unprepared to answer the question. I have never seen someone being caught with their ass in the wind like he was after that question.

Trump is, or at least should be famous right now for the confirmation bias traps he is constantly laying for these assholes. And they just keep stepping in them. I just signed up for periodic deliveries of bulk popcorn.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Aware and I WILL NOT COMPLY!) at March 16, 2017 05:57 PM (Gh3fw)

37 speaking of WWIII provocations, Rand Paul noticed that adding shit countries in Russia's orbit is a wee bit provocative.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:58 PM (sOknj)

38 Sen John McCain seems to know all about this Russia connection. Let's ask him

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2017 05:58 PM (c6/9Q)

39 We're all Russians now!

Posted by: Pete Seria at March 16, 2017 05:59 PM (eOhsF)

40 speaking of WWIII provocations, Rand Paul noticed that adding shit countries in Russia's orbit as part of NATO is a wee bit provocative.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:59 PM (sOknj)

41 so

Posted by: woww at March 16, 2017 05:59 PM (pvwwD)

42 We can't talk now. Our mouths are full of Marxist Penis.

Posted by: The Smart Set at March 16, 2017 05:59 PM (3cOA7)

43 Not only is Rand Paul with the Russians, but so is Ted Cruz!

It's a conspiracy, I tells ya!

Posted by: John McCain, senile coot at March 16, 2017 06:00 PM (RFeQD)

44 The part that I don't like is that Trump called Obama personally a "bad (sick!)" man.

Then we're all lost in the weeds of did some FISA warrant fuck Col. Mustard in the dining room.

I'm old fashioned enough to want a little decorum and collegiality among the members of the President club.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 06:00 PM (gIRsn)

45 "Meanwhile, Judge Napolitano claimed on FoxNews that three sources had told him that people in the Obama Administration had asked Britain's NSA, the GCHQ, to do the spying."

I tend to believe Napolitano. I suppose his sources could be wrong, but he certainly wouldn't make it up.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (CLKfs)

This would tie in nicely with the weasel statement today that "there's no evidence of wiretapping by any US INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES."

I don't doubt for a second those scum eavesdropped somehow. From 2016 forward one must assume that progressive Democratic scum are lying until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 06:00 PM (Jcg9Q)

46 I repeat, a position which is non-falsifiable is a matter of faith, not an intellectual position.

As best I can tell, there is no way to "prove" that the Russians didn't do what the hell ever. The absence of evidence is evidence itself.

RE: Trump saying he was wire tapped, unless and until I see the evidence, I remain highly skeptical. If he can't put up, then I will assume it's a lie. Just like I now assume the Russians Russians Russians stuff is a lie.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:00 PM (dEQP3)

47 38
Sen John McCain seems to know all about this Russia connection. Let's ask him

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2017 05:58 PM (c6/9Q)
His wife is going to sell Bud over there.

Posted by: woww at March 16, 2017 06:01 PM (pvwwD)

48 Not only is Rand Paul with the Russians, but so is Ted Cruz!

It's a conspiracy, I tells ya!

**

meanwhile, the 80's called Romney and asked for his foreign policy back!!!!2
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hashahshahahshh

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 06:01 PM (sOknj)

49 Eggs McMuffin was just a front. All bran and no brains.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 06:01 PM (QBkkW)

50 Also I'm more confused than usual, I thought it was confirmed that there was a server in Trump Tower for which a warrant was issued and the FBI found that it was nothing more than banking transactions or the like?

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:02 PM (dEQP3)

51 So, I guess I guess

Posted by: woww at March 16, 2017 06:02 PM (pvwwD)

52 Leftists are not going to drop this

Posted by: Skip at March 16, 2017 06:02 PM (GPaiX)

53 Unfortunately, "Trumpcare" is a drum with an echo pad that the Dems can keep looping until he either truly dumps the ACA or lets it fail on its own. I thought he was sharp until he walked into this like the sophomore cheerleader who won her first game of chess to the chess team captain. (All characters, living or dead, purely coincidental).

Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (W2Pxx)

54 But that's Trump Tower. Trump's accusation was broad, but I notice these denials are very specific.

-----
Remember Billy Jeff Clinton,

Blowjobs aren't sex.

Neither is using a woman as a humidor.

No one wire tapped IN Trump Tower.
(They tapped everything at the Central Switch.)

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (iT57s)

55 I'm old fashioned enough to want a little decorum and collegiality among the members of the President club.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 06:00 PM (gIRsn)

Fuck that shit. Seriously??

Obama is a traitor to this nation, and you want him to still be treated as a decent, loyal American and human being? Fuck that.

I'm tired of all this nice nice bullshit. Treat these pathetic, worthless scum like the pathetic pieces of shit that they are. Period.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (Jcg9Q)

56 Also I'm more confused than usual, I thought it was confirmed that there was a server in Trump Tower for which a warrant was issued and the FBI found that it was nothing more than banking transactions or the like?

*******

so the worthless GOP types saying "nuuu uhn " to trump wiretap claims are saying there was no FISA warrant?

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (sOknj)

57 Alright, get rid of the damn camera phones.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (/tuJf)

58 Does Egg McMuffin strike anybody else as a less successful Joe Biden?

Just a guy who seems so stupid you can't even imagine how he got where he is.

But, a guy who instead of being Vice-President or a Presidential Candidate-manque-

could just as easily be the guy selling sno-cones in that little white shack on the beach,

with his wang hanging out of his pants below the counter.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (vZ9Fw)

59 "Emails Have Resumed Between Trump's Server and the Russian Bank Alfa..."

I object to "Emails". It's not emails being exchanged, it's spoofed DNS (domain name server) requests. And it's equivalent to sending someone a letter with a falsified return address.

Posted by: RokShox at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (yehh7)

60 Ryan and the Senate Intel committee say there's no evidence of surveillance at Trump Tower.

They also said 'by the US.'

Not by other powers on our behalf.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (oVJmc)

61 We're all Russians now!

I can't keep up. For eight years we've been racists, then January 20th we became Nazis, now we're Russians?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (PY9jH)

62 Donald Trump once ate Russian caviar.

Need I say more?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 06:04 PM (lhSsv)

63 The reason why I think Trump is telling the truth is how careful these statements are coming from Obama flunkies.It's VERY carefully worded.

It would be like if you were accused of being a burglar and you were saying "I did not break into the home of Mr. Peabody from the hours of 1-2am on Dec 15, 2016."

Also, on the Sunday shows, the body language of people like Clapper was like a man about to be put in front of a firing squad.

If this was all bullshit, they would grinning ear to ear and glowing about what a fool Trump had made of himself.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 06:04 PM (v2I7b)

64 Appointing a special prosecutor over "Russia" would require some actual evidence of criminal activity. The MSM constantly shouting the words "RUSSIA" and "TRUMP" together does not cut it.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 06:04 PM (CLKfs)

65 then January 20th we became Nazis, now we're Russians?

I guess we're all agreed on invading Poland, at least.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 06:05 PM (gIRsn)

66 Trump is honoring St. Patrick's Day.

Remember when TFG told us he was Irish? I so don't miss that fuckwit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:05 PM (PY9jH)

67 With Barak's administration history of surveillance why isn't it possible?

Posted by: Skip at March 16, 2017 06:05 PM (GPaiX)

68 OT:

Rapper Threatens to Make a Sex Slave of Melania Trump

http://preview.tinyurl.com/n74g9qq

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (rUIbB)

69 Reuters 23 Jan 2017

Head of UK's GCHQ spy agency resigns for family reasons[/]

British spy chief Robert Hannigan said on Monday he was stepping down as head of Britain's intelligence eavesdropping service GCHQ for family reasons.

Hannigan, GCHQ director since 2014, said the job had demanded "a great deal" from his family.

"After a good deal of thought, I have decided that this is the right time to move on and to allow someone else to lead GCHQ through its next phase."

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (3OAG2)

70 speaking of WWIII provocations, Rand Paul noticed that adding shit countries in Russia's orbit as part of NATO is a wee bit provocative.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC

That's right out of the Ron Paul playbook. All those foreign entanglements are gonna get us in trouble one day.

Were there specific "shit" countries, or was this a toss-up question, like Georgia and South Ossetia, and Ukraine and the Crimea region?

Maybe next the Baltic Republics that the USSR annexed during the Great Patriotic War (WWII to the rest of us)?

Stay tuned. Watch Vlad grad more cash.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (RFeQD)

71 Also I'm more confused than usual, I thought it was confirmed that there was a server in Trump Tower for which a warrant was issued and the FBI found that it was nothing more than banking transactions or the like?

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children

Both Slate and WaPo were all over exacting details of this server and it's traffic pre-election. Back when Hillary was inevitable. Sources included A-Z fed agencies.

Since then...

*crickets*

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (ZFUt7)

72 Remember when TFG told us he was Irish? I so don't miss that fuckwit.

Types.... deletes...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (O2RFr)

73
OT:

Rapper Threatens to Make a Sex Slave of Melania Trump

http://preview.tinyurl.com/n74g9qq

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (rUIbB)

Yeah, washed up rapper Bow Wow.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (PY9jH)

74 "Ryan, being interviewed by Bret Baier, looked like he swallowed a worm when Baier asked him about the wiretaps."

Yep. And Ryan is never nonplussed.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (SIY7D)

75 FFS this st Patrick's day thing at the white house....ugh. I wish all these days honoring one group or another would stop being official white house events.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (lhSsv)

76 Hannigan, GCHQ director since 2014, said the job had demanded "a great deal" from his family.

And the plot thickens...

Posted by: It's Me donna at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (O2RFr)

77 >>I'm old fashioned enough to want a little decorum and collegiality among the members of the President club.

I think that went right out the window when Obama left people and procedures in place specifically to leak about Trump and try to hamstring his administration.

I'd prefer Presidents to act with greater decorum but if one goes in the gutter after you you'd be a fool not to get down in the gutter and hit him back harder.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (/tuJf)

78 Donald Trump once ate Russian caviar.

Need I say more?
Posted by: #neverskankles

I'll bet he has at least had lunch in the Russian Tea Room in New York City, at least once. I know it is within walking distance of Trump Tower.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (RFeQD)

79

I played my drum against Him
Pa rum pum pum
I played my best against Him
Pa rum pum pum pum
Rum pum pum pum
Me and my drums

Posted by: MSMBS at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (IqV8l)

80 Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children

DO NOT LOOK AT THE SIDEBAR. IF YOU DO, DON'T SCROLL DOWN TO THE PART ABOUT MEAT-EATING SPIDERS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (PY9jH)

81 Also I'm more confused than usual, I thought it was confirmed that there was a server in Trump Tower for which a warrant was issued and the FBI found that it was nothing more than banking transactions or the like?

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:02 PM (dEQP3)

What's confusing?

There was no surveillance, despite the leaked server kerfluffle and the two separate FISA applications months apart and NSA group-gobbling all the comm info and transcripts of the non-surveillance being leaked and shown confidentially to the press and politicians who claimed it was evidence and the denied it existed a month later and foreign surveillance and oh he deserved it anyway.

Seems like every other day to me.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 16, 2017 06:08 PM (wB8Tg)

82 76 Hannigan, GCHQ director since 2014, said the job had demanded "a great deal" from his family.

And the plot thickens...
Posted by: It's Me donna at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (O2RFr)
--------------

What, did he make his wife and kids do the tedious work of looking through the NSA database for all the Trump communications?

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 16, 2017 06:09 PM (3OAG2)

83 Jane D'oh cause of my comment earlier that Twitter is another leftist company, his Twitter account is still good and running.

Posted by: Skip at March 16, 2017 06:09 PM (GPaiX)

84 Trump seems like he'd Luke to be anywhere else but there right now....dude hates this shit. Can't blame him.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 06:09 PM (lhSsv)

85 Heh. Remember when TFG's limo caught on a curb in Ireland, with Mooch inside?

*giggle*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:09 PM (PY9jH)

86 Were there specific "shit" countries, or was this a toss-up question,

Right now it's Montenegro, and John McCain says Paul is "working for the Russians" if he doesn't want Montenegro in NATO.

Of course, much of the only good Bond movie was set in Montenegro.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 06:10 PM (gIRsn)

87
Help me out, fellas -- what is the basis for this distinction, other than some of you seem to like Obama a lot more than Trump?

Your zip code

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 16, 2017 06:10 PM (lKyWE)

88
Yeah, washed up rapper Bow Wow.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Heard on the radio that he used to be Lil Bow Wow.
Now he's just Bow Wow. Soon to be Ol' Bow Wow.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 16, 2017 06:10 PM (IqV8l)

89 DO NOT LOOK AT THE SIDEBAR. IF YOU DO, DON'T SCROLL DOWN TO THE PART ABOUT MEAT-EATING SPIDERS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (PY9jH)

Oh I am aware.

I am taking this with decorum and grace.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (dEQP3)

90 "66 Trump is honoring St. Patrick's Day.

Remember when TFG told us he was Irish? I so don't miss that fuckwit."

In the 90's, the NY Post used to run a hilarious cartoon on St. Patrick's with Bill C wearing a "Kiss Me I'm Irish" shirt with an arrow pointing down.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (OD2ni)

91 Oh I am aware.

I am taking this with decorum and grace.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (dEQP3)

So...is your mattress showing signs of life yet?

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (Jcg9Q)

92
Yeah, washed up rapper Bow Wow.

STFU, loser, or Trump will get the remaining member of Kriss Kross to kick your washed-up ass.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 06:12 PM (oVJmc)

93 No one wire tapped IN Trump Tower.
(They tapped everything at the Central Switch.)
Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 06:03 PM (iT57s)

Back in my PacBell days, a lot of them got put in the cross connect boxes. There was one in particular that I provisioned the line from the CO to the box (F1 pair). As I understood it, that the "tap" (it was basically a digital recording device) was connected to the line being monitored and the line I was provisioning was also connected to the tap. That line then fed the collected data directly back to the monitoring agency. No need for a random pest control van parked down the street. I can say that there were several small black boxes attached to various lines in the bottom of one particular box where I usually did this work.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 16, 2017 06:12 PM (GUBah)

94 Anyone for a second believe that if Trump does bring out information that proves Obama was wiretapping/spying on him that it will end the matter? If you do what drugs are you on and can you share?

Anything Trump releases will be declared to be doctored or out and out fabricated.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 16, 2017 06:12 PM (Rk9/V)

95 And there's the first cracks in the brackets. Middle Tennessee about to take out Minnesota.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:12 PM (dEQP3)

96 Yeah, washed up rapper Bow Wow.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:06 PM (PY9jH)

He'll always be "Lil" Bow Wow to me.

Aka Shad Moss. Aka sexist idiot.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 06:13 PM (CLKfs)

97 And there's the first cracks in the brackets. Middle Tennessee about to take out Minnesota.

Aw geez.

Posted by: eleven at March 16, 2017 06:13 PM (qUNWi)

98 So...is your mattress showing signs of life yet?
Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (Jcg9Q)

Well, it flopped around a lot when it was on fire.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:13 PM (dEQP3)

99 First upset. Middle Tennessee over Minnesota by 9

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2017 06:14 PM (qJhUV)

100 Posts from a couple of weeks ago:

"Jan 20th NYT front page headline above the fold:
Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides
How else was Flynn caught in Acting AG Sally Yates' perjury trap?
Irony is that the Obamans hoped for a lot more dirt but didn't find it"

"That the Obamans tapped the Trumpsters is a huge political exposure. But the huge criminal exposure is over their leaking classified documents. Stiff jail time. Relatively easy to prove if you can establish basic predicate facts, i.e. no need to prove motive.
So the pressure here will take this to the next level: criminal indictments over the leaking. Trump will have to go there, and at the right time, will want to go there.
Loretta Lynch has exposure here. Sally Yates even more because of her direct involvement with Flynn.
The only way this doesn't play is if the Trumpsters can't identify specific leakers."

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 06:14 PM (SIY7D)

101 The Empress has already promised to use a flamethrower and Raptors on everyone over that side-bar story.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 06:14 PM (QBkkW)

102 I still have never heard any lib say why Trump is a Russian spy. What possible motive could he have?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 06:14 PM (lhSsv)

103 Like Obama more than Trump? No. I detest Obama as feckless, ignorant and weak. Not to mention narcissistic. But until Trump gets smart enough to stop shooting himself in the foot with twitter, I won't be on board. If has something, put it up. If not, STFU!

Posted by: macleod at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (N315I)

104 "95 And there's the first cracks in the brackets. Middle Tennessee about to take out Minnesota."

Aw that sucks. You betcha!

Posted by: Marge Gunderson at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (OD2ni)

105 "This would tie in nicely with the weasel statement today that 'there's no evidence of wiretapping by any US INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.'"

Winnah.

Rather clintonian statement, no?

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, happy we got dem higher up smarty weather peeples at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (1aMQH)

106 Moneypenny, be a dear and pull up all the NSA intercepts on Donald Trump out of the database.

Posted by: James Bond at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (3OAG2)

107 And after that, you'll come over for dinner...?

Posted by: Moneypenny at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (3OAG2)

108 Nothing would give me greater pleasure Moneypenny, but unfortunately I have to deliver these Trump intercepts to President Obama immediately.

Posted by: James Bond at March 16, 2017 06:16 PM (3OAG2)

109 DO NOT LOOK AT THE SIDEBAR. IF YOU DO, DON'T SCROLL DOWN TO THE PART ABOUT MEAT-EATING SPIDERS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 06:07 PM (PY9jH)

Oh I am aware.

I am taking this with decorum and grace.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (dEQP3)

And raptors, one can but presume...

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2017 06:16 PM (rUIbB)

110 Subpoena every reporter.

What was your evidence? Or was it all partisan and malicious lies?

Did you see the transcripts you claim you did? Isn't that classified information? Do you have clearance?

Repeat as necessary. Show just how thin they slice the truth.

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 06:16 PM (iT57s)

111 50 Also I'm more confused than usual, I thought it was confirmed that there was a server in Trump Tower for which a warrant was issued and the FBI found that it was nothing more than banking transactions or the like?
Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:02 PM (dEQP3)

I thought I heard on the radio yesterday that it wasn't even that. That this server was sending Spam to the Russian bank.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 16, 2017 06:16 PM (Rk9/V)

112 I still have never heard any lib say why Trump is a Russian spy. What possible motive could he have?
Posted by: #neverskankles at March 16, 2017 06:14 PM (lhSsv)

Because Trump is literally Hitler, who was best buds with Stalin, which was fine, but everyone knows that he then turned on Mother Russia, and leftists can't let that happen twice.

Yes, I'm using liberal logic here.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 16, 2017 06:17 PM (GUBah)

113

Sources: Sean Hannity once pulled a gun on Juan Williams

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 16, 2017 06:17 PM (IqV8l)

114 "Remember when TFG told us he was Irish? I so don't miss that fuckwit."

Believe you meant to say "O'fuckwit". The judges would also have accepted "McFuckstick".

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, happy we got dem higher up smarty weather peeples at March 16, 2017 06:18 PM (1aMQH)

115 Anyone for a second believe that if Trump does bring out information that proves Obama was wiretapping/spying on him that it will end the matter? If you do what drugs are you on and can you share?

Anything Trump releases will be declared to be doctored or out and out fabricated.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 16, 2017 06:12 PM (Rk9/V)

Exactly. They will claim the evidence was false and/or the spying was justified. And Trump will be vilified for endangering national security of some such garbage.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 06:18 PM (CLKfs)

116 Speaking of the sidebar, just when you think things can't get more Kafka, you get stuff like that college sexual assault story.

"Hmm? Yes, gender is a completely arbitrary and imaginary concept. What's that? Oh no, penis monster, you need to be punished for your Crimes. Or, you know, for someone else's crimes. Whatever. Shut up, rapist."

Posted by: hogmartin at March 16, 2017 06:18 PM (8nWyX)

117
Rapper Threatens to Make a Sex Slave of Melania Trump

He's 5'7 145lbs I imagine the Slovenian born First Lady might end up slapping the snot out the punk and making her bitch

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 16, 2017 06:18 PM (lKyWE)

118 Of course, much of the only good Bond movie was set in Montenegro.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad

When Ursula Andrews stepped naked out of the decontamination shower -- that was Montenegro?

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 16, 2017 06:19 PM (ZFUt7)

119 103 Like Obama more than Trump? No. I detest Obama as feckless, ignorant and weak. Not to mention narcissistic. But until Trump gets smart enough to stop shooting himself in the foot with twitter, I won't be on board. If has something, put it up. If not, STFU!
Posted by: macleod at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (N315I)

If Trump doesn't stop with his twitter rants he's never going to defeat Hillary.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 16, 2017 06:19 PM (Rk9/V)

120 The Empress has already promised to use a flamethrower and Raptors on everyone over that side-bar story.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 06:14 PM (QBkkW)

But I haven't done anything bad yet today.

Maybe I'll go out and fondle some chick.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 06:19 PM (Jcg9Q)

121 Like Obama more than Trump? No. I detest Obama as feckless, ignorant and weak. Not to mention narcissistic. But until Trump gets smart enough to stop shooting himself in the foot with twitter, I won't be on board. If has something, put it up. If not, STFU!

Posted by: macleod at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (N315I)

Oh fucking please, you're basing your decisions on TWITTER comments?

Here, let me get you a binkie.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 06:21 PM (Jcg9Q)

122 Meanwhile, HIllary Clinton made a secret deal with the Rooskies to give them a large portion of our uranium. No one cares.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 06:21 PM (oVJmc)

123 there was a case when a reporter was subpoenaed for something and forced to reveal sources, did not and went to jail. Judith Miller

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2017 06:21 PM (c6/9Q)

124 Emergency! Emergency! Everybody to get from street!

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 16, 2017 06:22 PM (dargh)

125 Would it had been better for Trump to say nothing about the Surveillance/ wiretapping and then drop the bomb with irrefutable evidence? Instead we now have congressional committees and independent investigations wasting time and the exposure that Trump can be framed as a paranoid flake while the perps are covering their tracks.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 16, 2017 06:22 PM (IDPbH)

126 "And there's the first cracks in the brackets. Middle Tennessee about to take out Minnesota."

Had the Blue Raiders. However, I had Northwestern too, and I think they goin' down.

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, happy we got dem higher up smarty weather peeples at March 16, 2017 06:22 PM (1aMQH)

127 Lil' Bow Wow is Snoop Dog's nephew or cousin. Note the imitation doggie-style name. Trump bashing runs in the family.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 06:22 PM (CLKfs)

128 Those spiders are good boys.

Turning their lives around.

Posted by: eleven at March 16, 2017 06:23 PM (qUNWi)

129
Oh I am aware.

I am taking this with decorum and grace.
Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (dEQP3)

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For now...

Posted by: Spiders in AtCs Mattress at March 16, 2017 06:23 PM (kTF2Z)

130 Obama definitely did it. Seriously, the dude is the perfect leader for some African or south American country where the deposed leader just...never...fucking....goes......away. They are constantly trouble on the way out, and remain so while trying to get back in. They just don't get the plain English of get the fuck out.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2017 06:24 PM (aMlLZ)

131 I am taking this with decorum and grace.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:11 PM (dEQP3)

***********That would be the aforementioned flamethrowers and raptors???

Posted by: toddler at March 16, 2017 06:25 PM (vtiv1)

132 Can't you help out a brother and deny Montanegro NATO membership?

Posted by: Peter Petrovich Konovnitsyn at March 16, 2017 06:25 PM (GPaiX)

133 "Meanwhile, HIllary Clinton made a secret deal with the Rooskies to give them a large portion of our uranium. No one cares."

DING.

Double bonus, your new Oldsmobile is waiting.

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, happy we got dem higher up smarty weather peeples at March 16, 2017 06:26 PM (1aMQH)

134 You guys sure are going to feel stupid when you learn the truth.

Posted by: John Schindler at March 16, 2017 06:26 PM (IGWlV)

135 Those spiders are good boys.

Turning their lives around.

Posted by: eleven at March 16, 2017 06:23 PM (qUNWi)

#HandsUpDontSpray

Posted by: #BlackWidowLivesMatter at March 16, 2017 06:26 PM (rUIbB)

136 That would be the aforementioned flamethrowers and raptors???

Posted by: toddler at March 16, 2017 06:25 PM (vtiv1)

Maaaaaybe

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 06:27 PM (dEQP3)

137 They're good boys!

Posted by: Face Sized Spider in AtCs Closet at March 16, 2017 06:29 PM (kTF2Z)

138 oh right.

now that we have reins of power, we investigate the asshole liberals. You know, the ones inciting riots and breaking the laws. not your own president within months of his inauguration.

Fucking gOP is worthless

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 06:31 PM (sOknj)

139
Obama definitely did it. Seriously, the dude is the perfect leader for some African or south American country

First time he opened his mouth about gay rights as the leader of an African country they'd storm the palace and drag him through the the crap filled streets

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 16, 2017 06:31 PM (lKyWE)

140 Oh, and I took your last beer. Sorry.

Posted by: Face Sized Spider in AtCs Closet at March 16, 2017 06:31 PM (kTF2Z)

141 "Through the 'Five Eyes' agreement, all of what Winston Churchill called
the Anglosphere shares this information - so the Brits certainly could
have accessed the NSA's information, and provided it back to the Federal
government in a deniable fashion."

Margaret Thatcher apparently had security concerns regarding two members of her Cabinet -- at a time when rumors of Soviet moles in the British establishment were justifiably rife -- and she privately requested for the Canadian SIGINT agency to provide her with wiretap transcripts of their private phone conversations.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2017 06:32 PM (noWW6)

142 Northwestern hangs on to win.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2017 06:32 PM (qJhUV)

143 and Nothwestern comes in to further screw my bracket...

Posted by: toddler at March 16, 2017 06:32 PM (vtiv1)

144 Why is there a NATO anyhow? It was created to stop the Warsaw pact from taking over Western Europe. There is no more Warsaw pact and the only thing trying to take over Western Europe is Islam. And the Western Europeans don't seem to have a problem with that.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 16, 2017 06:32 PM (IqV8l)

145 "Northwestern hangs on to win."

Krep. Checked muh bracket, had Vandy. Fudge.

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, happy we got dem higher up smarty weather peeples at March 16, 2017 06:32 PM (1aMQH)

146 I think we should make Fridays Dress like a Russian day.....and rub the liberals noses in their own excrement.....

Posted by: concealedkerry or submit at March 16, 2017 06:34 PM (kHv/o)

147 Why is there a NATO anyhow?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 16, 2017 06:32 PM

Been trying to figure that out for 60 years

Posted by: Peter Petrovich Konovnitsyn at March 16, 2017 06:36 PM (GPaiX)

148
think we should make Fridays Dress like a Russian day.....and rub the liberals noses in their own excrement.....
Posted by: concealedkerry or submit at March 16, 2017 06:34 PM (kHv/o)

Warmup suits and big gold chains?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 16, 2017 06:36 PM (lKyWE)

149 Did I scare everyone off?

Posted by: Face Sized Spider in AtCs Closet at March 16, 2017 06:37 PM (kTF2Z)

150 think we should make Fridays Dress like a Russian day.....and rub the liberals noses in their own excrement.....
Posted by: concealedkerry or submit at March 16, 2017 06:34 PM (kHv/o)

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Warmup suits and big gold chains?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 16, 2017 06:36 PM (lKyWE)

Don't forget your tiny giraffe.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 16, 2017 06:39 PM (GUBah)

151 When did Rosario Dawson's boobs get huge?

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 16, 2017 06:39 PM (3cOA7)

152 NATO is a fucking joke. All it was was the US defending western Europe while these snotty fucksticks could dabble in socialism/communism. Are they any better off? Fuck no.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 16, 2017 06:40 PM (89T5c)

153 Ok, we just double checked. April is a dude. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Posted by: Zoo Keepers at March 16, 2017 06:40 PM (kTF2Z)

154 President Obama, when you get to Tahiti, request "The Full Brando," even if you don't want "The Full Brando." Quite.

Posted by: Bond. Fritz Bond at March 16, 2017 06:41 PM (YAPkP)

155 Why is there a NATO anyhow? It was created to stop the Warsaw pact from taking over Western Europe. There is no more Warsaw pact and the only thing trying to take over Western Europe is Islam. And the Western Europeans don't seem to have a problem with that.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 16, 2017 06:32 PM (IqV8l)

There are only about four countries in Europe that are in NATO but not the EU (soon to be five).

We could let the EU have it's own little army, and use NATO a firewall against the Euros...

Posted by: The North Atlantic Hat at March 16, 2017 06:41 PM (rUIbB)

156 think we should make Fridays Dress like a Russian day

I had an unresolved hair emergency when I had to leave the house today, so I wore my mad bomber hat with the earflaps hooked on top so that I looked like a Russian commie.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 06:42 PM (gIRsn)

157 The AG for National Security, John Carlin, resigned from office the same week as the Oct 15 FISA request.

He was the man responsible for actually making the request.

Nothing to see there folks!

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 06:42 PM (A4HOq)

158 NUUUUUUDE ! oops , nood

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2017 06:42 PM (c6/9Q)

159 Nood peeps.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 06:42 PM (Jcg9Q)

160 Corgis

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 06:44 PM (QBkkW)

161 "Help me out, fellas -- what is the basis for this distinction, other than some of you seem to like Obama a lot more than Trump?"

That is the sum of it.

If you dislike Trump, you can divine intent.

If you like obama, no amount of past practice or specific requests for an investigation of Russian hacking the election to help Trump is useful in any way to lead to an inference that obama used the full trappings of the intelligence state to try to damage a political rival.

Just imagine if Trump had lost.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 16, 2017 06:45 PM (GX63o)

162
HAHAHAHAHA!!

Dimwitted Democrat Old White Coot Congressrat says "Thank you, sir" to msnbc fake news propagandist and conspiracist Rachewl Maddowl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiuSxyoNFVE

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 06:46 PM (Wr3DZ)

163 ""Ryan and the Senate Intel committee say there's no evidence of surveillance at Trump Tower." "

I think what just happened here was Trump gave these clowns the rope to hang themselves, and they happily tied the nooses.

What I'm hoping is about to happen is that Trump will infact have the goods on this stuff, they know he has it, but they are lying anyway because they think he is bluffing. What this will do is implicate the past administration and key players in congress.

That's what I hope is going to happen. Trump certainly says crazy stuff all the time, but I saw this particular round of tweets as laying a trap of sorts. We'll see...

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 16, 2017 06:46 PM (SNXgB)

164 my opinion: ever have one of those times where someone says "hey, do you smell smoke?" and you take a good sniff and say "no, I don't smell any smoke.." and a few minutes later the guy again says "are you sure you don't smell any smoke..?"

and after he's repeated this several times, you begin to think that maybe he does smell smoke, and you and he should investigate.

in politics, 'investigate' means McCain and his ilk finally call for a special prosecutor, and then the floodgates slowly open and, pardon my mixed metaphors, people start to get sucked up. Think Scooter Libby.

The Dems and their allies will most likely never stop trying to force Trump out of office.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 16, 2017 06:47 PM (b7fwp)

165 6 letters bad, 5 letters good

Posted by: orwell torabora at March 16, 2017 06:48 PM (ZQtu2)

166 Completely lopsided panel today on Bret Baier.

This Russian/Hacking/Spying Okee doke is breathtaking in it's scope.

Whenever these get discussed on FOX it is absolutely mandatory for Mark Levin to be on for balance.

What a joke Baier.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 16, 2017 06:49 PM (+lv+r)

167 Is this something?
How about the director of GCHQ, Robert Hannigan
suddenly resigning early for "personal" reasons
Right about Inauguration Day?

Posted by: MichaelT at March 16, 2017 06:52 PM (JeAp+)

168 To the tune of Frankie and Johnnie:

Bammy and Cammie were besties,
Trading intel staff all day,
Bammy asked Cammie for wiretaps,
Cammie got Brexit that day.

They were besties,
But he done him wrong.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 16, 2017 06:52 PM (MIKMs)

169 163 ""Ryan and the Senate Intel committee say there's no evidence of surveillance at Trump Tower." "

I think what just happened here was Trump gave these clowns the rope to hang themselves, and they happily tied the nooses.

What I'm hoping is about to happen is that Trump will infact have the goods on this stuff, they know he has it, but they are lying anyway because they think he is bluffing. What this will do is implicate the past administration and key players in congress.

That's what I hope is going to happen. Trump certainly says crazy stuff all the time, but I saw this particular round of tweets as laying a trap of sorts. We'll see...
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 16, 2017 06:46 PM (SNXgB)
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Something is going on. All these politicians are being very specific in their denials and the Press Hacks are being deliberately obtuse in there inquires.

No one and I mean no one will say that no one in the Trump campaign was subject to any type of surveillance, domestic or in cooperation with other countries, at any time.

I've never seen such parsing since Slick Willy was in office.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2017 06:56 PM (OAlmw)

170 wow

Posted by: woww at March 16, 2017 07:02 PM (pvwwD)

171 I mean, it's not just the NY Times. All these media groups claim they have "sources who say" that they have evidence of Trump collusion with the Russians. The NY Times simply added how they got this information. Trump calling them out quickly changed the narrative - now everyone wants proof.

Willing to accept it as fact before Trump's tweet, but afterwards everyone wants proof.

You can't talk about anonymous intelligence sources talking about Russia and then put out a flat denial of how those anonymous sources gathered this information.

Posted by: realityman at March 16, 2017 07:19 PM (Ch0fq)

172 ੤

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 16, 2017 08:12 PM (gwPgz)

173 First of all, why didnt PDT undo the EO on the 'sharing of intelligence to everyone'? Cant he just do that? Theres an article on CTH about Mike Rogers (NSA) going to the 'Tower' in Dec, I think, w/o the Barry admin knowing..and that supposedly caused a big snitfit among the knowitalls at 1600 at that time and wanted Rogers fired.....And Rogers is still head of the NSA btw...You read things about the military and the CIA having competing factions in Syria..and you really start to wonder who's side who is on at this point. And then...you really start to think whether or not its just too late for this whole thing. Look at the reaction of the GOP to Trumps budget....this shouldve been right down their alley..instead..shrill screaming.....So, I dont know.

Posted by: johny boy at March 16, 2017 08:18 PM (UNXWZ)

174 Sorry I'm late to the comments, but I keep wondering WTH everyone is asking for "proof" that Trump Tower was actually wiretapped, surveilled, pick your verb-of-the-day: the proof is that a transcript of Mike Flynn's telephone conversation with the Russian ambassador was leaked to the media!
Has everyone forgotten that Flynn was IN TRUMP TOWER when that phone call was made?
My head is going to explode if I keep hearing the sneering condescension in regard to PDT's "proof."

Posted by: GolfTee at March 17, 2017 12:26 AM (NG5TO)

175 The situation is easy to call.

To still be a leftist requires both an inability to relate cause to effect over time and an inability to discern fact from fiction.

Those managing the left as a weapon know this.

The managers can say whatever they want. Nothing is too outlandish or blatantly obtuse for their useful idiots to suck down and swallow without conscious though.

They know this. Both sides, the managers and the useful idiots. The useful idiots want to be lied to. They want to be fed bullshit that pisses them off.

The entire program has been progressing quite nicely for the left for decades and there's no turning back now.

It will come to blood in the streets. That's an absolute given.

Posted by: Grimmy at March 17, 2017 01:33 AM (m+qrc)

176 ace:

"But that's Trump Tower. Trump's accusation was broad and sloppy, but I notice these denials are very specific and very precise."

Very. The usual suspects are flapping their arms, too: McCain, Graham, Schiff, Pelosi, the Deep State secret police, ad nauseum. There's fire here, not smoke, and most of the Imperial City caretakers are about to be exposed as the fascist pigs they are.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 17, 2017 01:26 PM (6a36J)

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