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Scene During The Eruption of Vesuvius
Joseph Franque

This melodramatic scene of a family trying to escape the A.D. 79 eruption of Vesuvius, a volcano in southern Italy, was inspired by the report of a French archeologist excavating in Pompeii in 1813. "A mother fled, dragging after her a part of her family: two daughters, and an infant whom she clutched in vain against her breast....The ash covered them, burying them all in the same tomb; their remains were mingled, and almost indistinguishable from one another." The report goes on to describe jewelry found with the remains, including the mother's earrings and the serpent ring worn by the standing girl.

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1 Ooooh 1st?

Posted by: Tami at March 08, 2017 09:33 AM (Enq6K)

2

Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 09:35 AM (WQX/u)

3 Silver!

Posted by: Strobe at March 08, 2017 09:35 AM (gbWkA)

4 Corgis called.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 08, 2017 09:35 AM (WuRdh)

5 T&A

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:36 AM (FZYNt)

6 I used to read a lot about Pompeii....it always fascinated me.

Posted by: Tami at March 08, 2017 09:36 AM (Enq6K)

7 My kinda art!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at March 08, 2017 09:36 AM (/x6xU)

8 I think he took the 'breast' thing kinda literally.

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2017 09:36 AM (TppKb)

9 "Vesuvius...what was that, like, a hundred years ago?"
-Ezra Klein

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (ELUpj)

10 Ooh, naughty bits.

Sniper's screwed, though.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (9krrF)

11 Multiple wardrobe malfunctions.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (Tyii7)

12 That's an example of Romanticism. Big league.

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (nNdYv)

13 "Vesuvius...what was that, like, a hundred years ago?"
-Ezra Klein

Posted by: TheJamesMadison


"Seventy-three, bitch."
-Mt. Vesuvius

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (9krrF)

14 Alternate title: Liberals since Nov 2.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (KUaJL)

15 It's far too easy to imagine the horror people must have felt at Pompeii.

Posted by: Chupacabra at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (/x6xU)

16 Oh dear. Melodramatic is right.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (sBOL1)

17 Always fascinated with Roman technology. I was trying to modify a bread recipe to match the loaves found in ovens in Pompeii.

I am having fun doing that.

Not much on the painting though.
Composition is OK, but the subject is depressing. Reading on various disasters tells me to run now.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 09:38 AM (WQX/u)

18 wait til they get a load of me.

Posted by: Campi Flegrei at March 08, 2017 09:38 AM (yoe9p)

19 I lived in Rome for more than a year and I never made it down to Naples or Pompeii.

I was too poor and too busy for it.

I did make is to Ostia Antica which was the Roman port during the Republic/Empire.

It's a smaller, more lightly trafficked version of Pompeii with no dead bodies but plenty of preserved mosaics.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:38 AM (ELUpj)

20 Syrian refugee.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 08, 2017 09:38 AM (vRcUp)

21 They must have woke up and run straight out the door since they're in their nickers.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 08, 2017 09:39 AM (LTHVh)

22
Mom's kind of beefy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 08, 2017 09:39 AM (XWkhW)

23 T & A everywhere!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (4Ru5B)

24 "Seventy-three, bitch."
-Mt. Vesuvius

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (9krrF)

Ha.

Posted by: Golfman at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (k0S3A)

25 Whats with all the breastes? Not that there is anything wrong with that, they're well done but seriously, why all the breastes? What does that aspect contribute to the image or to the emotions that the painter wanted to convey?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (zGttg)

26 It was the poison gas that got them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (LTHVh)

27
By the way, it ain't no Rothko.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (XWkhW)

28 It's a smaller, more lightly trafficked version of Pompeii with no dead bodies but plenty of preserved mosaics.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:38 AM (ELUpj)


Some of my relatives live in Ostia Lido, the neighboring town/city/disaster of communist bloc architecture. What a contrast to Ostia Antica.

What were you doing in Rome, if I may be so ficcanaso to ask?

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (nNdYv)

29 Is it SOP for women to show their boobies when they are fleeing a volcano cause if so I'm moving to a volcano zone.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (/tuJf)

30
 Don't mess with pyroclastic flow.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (ZFUt7)

31 I find it slightly suspect that all the females are in various states of undress. M. Franque probably has a little wishcasting going on there.

Nonetheless, it must have been terrifying when Vesuvius erupted.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (sBOL1)

32 In reading about Pompeii I missed all the boobage.

Posted by: Tami at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (Enq6K)

33 Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:37 AM (sBOL1)

I found it interesting that the artist painted entirely from a written description of an event.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (rF0hx)

34 http://bloom.bg/2mFxoPQ
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Posted by: EVLINC! at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (y3aQB)

35 "Seventy-three, bitch."
-Mt. Vesuvius


Stuff like this just goes on camera these days, right?

Hold my beer and watch this...

Posted by: San Andreas Fault at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (TppKb)

36 he was hunting down Paolo?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (yoe9p)

37 Get me some good low-angle stuff. Don't make
it too obvious, but I want to see fur and early morning dew.

Posted by: Lt. Lockhart at March 08, 2017 09:42 AM (FZYNt)

38 Let's loll around the house semi-naked while Vesuvius smokes. Oh wait! It's erupted! Let's expose our tits and run over each other as we flee!

(Not complaining -- it's dramatic, well-executed, and full of boobies -- but the back story doesn't pass the straight face test.)

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 08, 2017 09:42 AM (RD7QR)

39 half naked women, "eruptions" - the jokes write themselves

Posted by: josephistan at March 08, 2017 09:42 AM (7HtZB)

40 Whats with all the breastes? Not that there is anything wrong with that, they're well done but seriously, why all the breastes? What does that aspect contribute to the image or to the emotions that the painter wanted to convey?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (zGttg)
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It seems to have convinced JackStraw that he needs to move to a volcano. Other than that, I got nothing.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:42 AM (sBOL1)

41
26 It was the poison gas that got them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (LTHVh)







Vulcan had the refried beans for lunch.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 08, 2017 09:42 AM (XWkhW)

42 The hand at the very top only has four fingers.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 08, 2017 09:43 AM (57R5r)

43 I understand the reflective heat blankets ... but why did they think Saran-Wrap would help ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 09:43 AM (nw6G5)

44 That painting made me erupt, too.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 08, 2017 09:43 AM (oVJmc)

45 It's beyond sad that conservatives engage in the same type of Othering as the Left and Dims when they constantly like a reflex blame poor and sick citizens for all of their ills and problems of this country. No different than the Left and Dims playing the same game with White males and Vets.

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 08, 2017 09:43 AM (VLjz7)

46 44 That painting made me erupt, too.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

*golf clap*

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (FZYNt)

47 >>It seems to have convinced JackStraw that he needs to move to a volcano. Other than that, I got nothing.

I like volcanos, sue me.

In addition to being one of the major causes of greenhouse gases, far more than man, boobies.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (/tuJf)

48 When I finally made it to Pompeii it was in the middle of July so, blisteringly hot. And I had the wrong freakin' shoes on, so all I could do was mull around the introductory exhibits. The rest of the group went on the walking tour through the remains because they had sensible shoes and some of them had umbrellas to shade them.

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (nNdYv)

49 A 20-year-old man was killed when he laid his head on the rail at a Brooklyn subway station as a train was arriving Wednesday morning.

Well that is, or was, a motivated individual

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (KlI/a)

50 It's beyond sad that conservatives engage in the same type of Othering as the Left and Dims when they constantly like a reflex blame poor and sick citizens for all of their ills and problems of this country. No different than the Left and Dims playing the same game with White males and Vets.

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe


Dafuq?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (9krrF)

51 I see back in the day peoples were still obsessed with breasts

Posted by: willow-McGivering at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (R7cwD)

52
Day Without Women.


Good.


Maybe I can get some shit DONE today.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (8XRCm)

53 The eruption interrupted the waitress sandwich.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (fAZRN)

54 Why is everyone running around naked at the base of a volcano?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 09:45 AM (pUDQf)

55 Whats with all the breastes? Not that there is anything wrong with that, they're well done but seriously, why all the breastes? What does that aspect contribute to the image or to the emotions that the painter wanted to convey?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (zGttg)

Hell is opening up on earth, a wave of death is about to overtake you, and you're only dressed in a toga. I don't think keeping modest is necessarily a high priority on their minds.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 08, 2017 09:45 AM (KUaJL)

56

*Air Guitar*

Posted by: Edie Van Halen at March 08, 2017 09:45 AM (8XRCm)

57 I found it interesting that the artist painted entirely from a written description of an event.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (rF0hx)
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Well, it would have to be that way, right? I mean, if he had been there he'd be dead, and even if he had lived, he wouldn't have made it through all those centuries until the 1800s.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:45 AM (sBOL1)

58 I do like that when Gaius Plinius (Pliny the elder) went to Herculaneum, during their attempted evacuation of a friend they tied pillows to their heads to prevent head injuries for falling scoria "bombs"


Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 09:45 AM (WQX/u)

59 52
Day Without Women.


Good.


Maybe I can get some shit DONE today.
Posted by: fixerupper

If that dick can suck itself, please explain to the horde.

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:45 AM (FZYNt)

60 http://nyp.st/2mFNmK0
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Posted by: EVLINC! at March 08, 2017 09:46 AM (y3aQB)

61 28 Some of my relatives live in Ostia Lido, the neighboring town/city/disaster of communist bloc architecture. What a contrast to Ostia Antica.

What were you doing in Rome, if I may be so ficcanaso to ask?
Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 09:41 AM (nNdYv)

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I ran away and taught English as a foreign language.

It was fun, for sure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:46 AM (ELUpj)

62 nevergiveup, I have never understood the way suicide choose their death.

why not just go to permanent sleep in a comfy bed?

Posted by: willow-McGivering at March 08, 2017 09:46 AM (R7cwD)

63 FBI chief Comey asserting power like no one in history | New York Post
Posted by: EVLINC!

Comey puts the ass in asserting

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:46 AM (FZYNt)

64 Who knew Vesuvius was such a hotness-inducing thing?

:O

Posted by: mindful webworker, volcanically at March 08, 2017 09:46 AM (CigxG)

65
A 20-year-old man was killed when he laid his head on the rail at a Brooklyn subway station as a train was arriving Wednesday morning.

Well that is, or was, a motivated individual

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (KlI/a)








He's no squish, that's for sure.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 08, 2017 09:46 AM (XWkhW)

66 Welp.

Nosebleeds, bleeding gums, and bruising are back, so it's off to the hematologist for a blood check.

Almost two years post chemo.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (56nYn)

67 In addition to being one of the major causes of greenhouse gases, far more than man, boobies.

Have you considered putting together a grant application regarding that latter point? We may still have a few ucks left.

Posted by: NSF, NOAA, EPA at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (TppKb)

68 Whats with all the breastes? Not that there is anything wrong with that, they're well done but seriously, why all the breastes? What does that aspect contribute to the image or to the emotions that the painter wanted to convey?


They contribute breasts, for cryin' out loud. Breasts are self-justifying.

I visited Pompeii ten years ago. One of the fun facts I learned was that casualties were relatively light because Pompeii was being rebuilt and most people hadn't moved back yet.

Rebuilt because it was destroyed by an earthquake sixteen years prior. It's as if Someone really didn't want that town there.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (gIRsn)

69

Diane Von Furstenberg, designer of "the wrap dress" on CNN now being toted as a feminist icon

1. She chased monied men and she married money

2. She invented the wrap dress in the heyday of Studio 54. The point was to have a dress you could take off and on quickly in order to be available for

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (RY9Jq)

70 Huh. A lot more romantic that I would have imagined the chaos of an erupting volcano to be


Our museum had a special Popeii exhibit, and it included this cool vid of what was going on in the 24 hours leading up to the eruption. Not pretty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_3ggKg0Bc

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (NOIQH)

71 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (KlI/a)

That is just awful. Young men with mental illness are vulnerable to suiciding this way. My friend's son threw himself in front of a trolley at age 21 because he couldn't stand being bipolar anymore. David Bowie's brother laid his head on rail tracks right after being discharged from yet another mental institution.

It's a horrible, catastrophic, nightmare illness.

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (nNdYv)

72 Nosebleeds, bleeding gums, and bruising are back, so it's off to the hematologist for a blood check.

Almost two years post chemo.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (56nYn)
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Oh no. I hope it's nothing significant.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (sBOL1)

73 "Dante's Peak" was a half-decent popcorn pic, but it might have been better with a half-nekked Linda Hamilton.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (bE6x+)

74 Yikes. Prayers for Sticky Wicket.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (9krrF)

75 To be available for sex, for which Studio 54 was infamous for. Public, ananymous sex


Real feminist her

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (RY9Jq)

76 stickywicket.. prayers. don't bite that apple until you must.

prayers again.

Posted by: willow-McGivering at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (R7cwD)

77 BTW:
"Day Without Women"

*looks around office*

It seems no one got the memo.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (hLRSq)

78 If that dick can suck itself, please explain to the horde.
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:45 AM (FZYNt)

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Hey ... Its only for day.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 08, 2017 09:48 AM (8XRCm)

79 https://yhoo.it/2mFOrkM
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Posted by: EVLINC! at March 08, 2017 09:49 AM (y3aQB)

80 >>Diane Von Furstenberg, designer of "the wrap dress" on CNN now being toted as a feminist icon



Doesn't take much to be a feminist icon, apparently. Just ask Lena Dunham.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 09:49 AM (NOIQH)

81 69

Diane Von Furstenberg, designer of "the wrap dress" on CNN now being toted as a feminist icon

1. She chased monied men and she married money

2. She invented the wrap dress in the heyday of Studio 54. The point was to have a dress you could take off and on quickly in order to be available for
Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (RY9Jq)

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Kind of reminds me of Memoirs of a Geisha.

You know, the story about a prostitute that was supposed to be an example of powerful women in history?

Groping for examples.

Be proud of the ones there are, and make new ones. Don't mine the depths for new examples. Make them instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:49 AM (ELUpj)

82 good thoughts and prayers your way sticky

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (0O7c5)

83 A written description? From whom? A horny dude?

'Yeah, there was this rumbling...and this chick was smoking hot! I had rumblings of my own, iykwimaityd, Joe!'

'Her perky sweater puppies were jostling my man parts about my toga, even as that mountain started spewing! Speaking of spewing...did I mention her breasts?!?'

Joe - 'yeah, I can paint that.'

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (pUDQf)

84 Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 08, 2017 09:43 AM (VLjz7)

Dude ... I just want in on some of that $XX,XXX,XXX tax return shit. Need an Automation and Controls guy ? I'm pretty good at field work. Great on start ups. Twenty years experience.

Call me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (nw6G5)

85 Isn't today supposedly the "Day Of Women Shutting The Hell Up And Going Away"?

I'm o.k. with this.

Posted by: Beer, Pizza, Guns, and Porn at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (Ct+pi)

86 >>"Day Without Women"


*looks around office*


It seems no one got the memo.



If it helps, think of it as a Day Without Whiny Women.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (NOIQH)

87 The March 1944 eruption of Vesuvius as witnessed by men of the USAAF.

http://www.warwingsart.com/12thAirForce/Vesuvius.html

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (R8XuK)

88 Related:

Anyone ever read The Last Days of Pompeii by Edward Bulwer-Lytton.

Am I the only one who found it just kind of okay?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (ELUpj)

89 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (zGttg)

Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 09:51 AM (rF0hx)

90 CBD clothed of course.

Posted by: willow-McGivering at March 08, 2017 09:51 AM (R7cwD)

91 We currently have a Pompeii exhibit here in KC at the Union Station. I went to it 2 weeks ago and it was fascinating! Heck, did you know they had piggy banks back then?

The bodies were creepy, even including a curled up dog. The worst one for me was a man that had died sitting up holding a cloth to his face.

Anyhow, highly recommend it to anyone in the KC area.

Posted by: HH at March 08, 2017 09:51 AM (DrCtv)

92 Dafuq?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 09:44 AM (9krrF)


"there is no difference between Conservatives and Socialists"

I am not sure there is a conclusion to be made here, though I am broken enought to hear echoes of "Surrender Dorothy"

Personally I am going to wait for the flying monkeys first.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 09:52 AM (WQX/u)

93 Experts say that when the Yellowstone caldera finally blows, the intensity of the blast will be such that teh wimmenz will lose their undergarments in places as far away as Thailand.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 09:52 AM (uSlc8)

94 shakes off yesterdays nic

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 09:52 AM (R7cwD)

95 67 In addition to being one of the major causes of greenhouse gases, far more than man, boobies.

Have you considered putting together a grant application regarding that latter point? We may still have a few ucks left.
Posted by: NSF, NOAA, EPA at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (TppKb)

Proposal Title:

Mammary Glands and Their Relationship with Climate-Affecting Volcanic Activity: Correlation, Causation, and Firm, Firm Tits

Even if you don't get the grant you get to say that you submitted it.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 08, 2017 09:52 AM (RD7QR)

96 It's dreadful none of those women are wearing shoes.

Posted by: Ivanka at March 08, 2017 09:52 AM (57R5r)

97 89 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 09:40 AM (zGttg)

Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 09:51 AM (rF0hx)

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Serious question:

Were women's breasts considered as sexual at the time?

Is the argument that artists appreciated the form of the human body good enough?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:52 AM (ELUpj)

98 Anyone ever read The Last Days of Pompeii by Edward Bulwer-Lytton.


"It was a dark and stormy late, with a shitload of falling rocks and ash..."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 09:52 AM (uSlc8)

99 I visited Pompeii right after 9-11. What a wicked city. Nasty. No wonder it was destroyed. I was embarrased to be there.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM (dFi94)

100 She's yelling at her husband, "If I had some nice clothes to wear, I wouldn't have to flee topless!" Meanwhile, husband is safe on a ship leaving the harbor. Because privilege.

(In honor of International Women's Day)

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM (wwRzm)

101 66 Sticky Wicket

Best wishes from Down Under *prayers*

Posted by: Aussie at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM (N/OEj)

102

Media all a twitter with President Boyfriends upset

Livid

Hurt

Exasperated


Bwhahahahhaaha Bwhahahahhaaha Bwhahahahhaaha

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM (RY9Jq)

103 Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (RY9Jq)

YOU ARE SLUT SHAMING!

BEGONE!

SHUN THE WITCH!

Posted by: SJW...Always On The Lookout! at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (rF0hx)

104 99 I visited Pompeii right after 9-11. What a wicked city. Nasty. No wonder it was destroyed. I was embarrased to be there.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM (dFi94)

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Well, it sits outside of Naples which is currently pretty much run by the Mafia.

So there's that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (ELUpj)

105 Serious question:

Were women's breasts considered as sexual at the time?

Is the argument that artists appreciated the form of the human body good enough?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Pretty sure Larry Flynt ruined it for everybody

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (FZYNt)

106 Pompeii has always fascinated me. I'd dearly love to go see the location, but...that fear of flying thing will prevent me. I have a horrible fear of drowning, but can hardly imagine a worse way to go than to be buried alive under molten lava while clinging to my children.

Posted by: Lady in Black - LONG LIVE THE SCALP WEASEL at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (+FSld)

107 Grammie Winger, saw your post in the below thread about hair coloring...

Do not try to correct the color yourself, particularly since you want to go lighter. Going lighter means you have to lift color out of the hair first, and if you try to do this yourself, you will trash your hair. If you don't do it first, what you end up with by layering another color on top of what you already have will not result in anything you will be happy with. And you might fry the hair.


Go to a color correcting salon and pay the piper to have your color corrected. They might be able to simply tone your current color to make it more in the direction you like. Any salon that promotes their ability to color hair should have someone on staff with experience in correcting home color mistakes.

As my own stylist says, any stylist who has been working for a year or two will be faced with color corrections.

I get mine done every three to four weeks because if not, I would look like Emmie Lou Harris, and that wouldn't be a good look on me. Lots of discussion about trying to do my own at home....even my stylist says she won't do her own.

Posted by: Jen at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (K7A0z)

108 Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM (dFi94)

Are you referring to the erotic art they had on the walls of their abodes?

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (nNdYv)

109 There's a neat little time lapse(dawn to dusk)video some university made detailing the eruption as viewed from rooftop level somewhere out there in YouTube land. Very cool.

Posted by: Tuna at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (Phln5)

110 wait, the other thread wasn't the art thread ? and i was just gonna comment on the childlike quality of the second painting in that series

Posted by: runner at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (VvDTH)

111 WHY IS Comey still head of FBI??

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (ty7RM)

112 I see from the painting the husband already ran off and left her and the children to fend for themselves.

(just trying to get with the feminist deal today in solidarity)

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (R7cwD)

113

Not "furious" tho


Sense of decorum


Nevermind the war room and shadow government Obama is operating

But he is hurt and Exasperated


Pppfffffffttttt

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (RY9Jq)

114 103 103 Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:47 AM (RY9Jq)

YOU ARE SLUT SHAMING!

BEGONE!

SHUN THE WITCH!
Posted by: SJW...Always On The Lookout! at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (rF0hx)

=================

"Expel him from the world! Also, man, Sarah Palin is a c*nt."
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (ELUpj)

115 Day Without Women"

*looks around office*

It seems no one got the memo."

Yeah, noticed that around here.

Of course, I did see a number of women in red this AM - at the local HEB

(for those not of a Texas persuasion, HEB is a grocery chain that outfits in red polo/t shirts)

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (MINbv)

116 I bought a coaster with a dog on it in Pompeii. It was the least vile thing I could find.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (dFi94)

117 Were women's breasts considered as sexual at the time?


In 1827? Probably.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (uSlc8)

118 The graffiti that was preserved with Pompeii will make one blush once translated.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (R8XuK)

119 Joe - 'yeah, I can paint that.'
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Heh. Isn't the allegorical figure of Liberty showing her boobs in that famous Delacroix? Damn dirty French romantics didn't seem to need much of an excuse to throw some boobehs in.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (OVUYQ)

120 111 WHY IS Comey still head of FBI??
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

likely his collections of photos with goats in compromising positions.

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (FZYNt)

121 i can't go away...i have laundry to do...

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (0O7c5)

122 Run!

Posted by: Pliny the Younger at March 08, 2017 09:56 AM (2Mnv1)

123 117 Were women's breasts considered as sexual at the time?


In 1827? Probably.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)

Ben Franklin was a tit man

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:56 AM (FZYNt)

124

Barry is hurt and Exasperated

What a p___y

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:56 AM (RY9Jq)

125 Robert Harris is a pedo-enabling creep, but he did give us a good Pompeii book.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 09:56 AM (yoe9p)

126 Damn dirty French romantics didn't seem to need much of an excuse to throw some boobehs in.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (OVUYQ)
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I don't think any men need much of an excuse for that.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:57 AM (sBOL1)

127 Hugh Hefner discovered the boob. That was in the '50s.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 09:57 AM (uSlc8)

128 Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 09:50 AM (R8XuK)

Very interesting...thanks!

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 09:57 AM (nNdYv)

129 thunderb I can only imagine by thm lifting up women of less virtue, they are splaining to us thy can freely use their sexuality and men just as men do?

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 09:57 AM (R7cwD)

130 120 111 WHY IS Comey still head of FBI??
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


Well ... there ain't exactly an Elliot Ness on every street corner. And nothing less will do to lead such a group of Untouchables as the FBI.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 09:57 AM (nw6G5)

131 Vesuvius related WWII B-25 nose art

http://www.warwingsart.com/12thAirForce/Vesuv17.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (R8XuK)

132 So the volcano is the sniper?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (BBWB6)

133 "Dante's Peak" was a half-decent popcorn pic, but it might have been better with a half-nekked Linda Hamilton.





Dante's Pornferno was epic!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (4Ru5B)

134

What leader of men describes himself publicly as being hurt and Exasperated

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (RY9Jq)

135 *stares angrily at painting*

#pompeiisowhite

Posted by: BLM at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (+FSld)

136 Good thing I can't paint like that, I'd never leave the house.

Posted by: Javems at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (yOqwj)

137 THAT will teach them to scoff at the power of global warming.

Posted by: Al Gore at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (vRcUp)

138 For the Christian brother and sisters: This is the start of a abut five days worth of reflections from Brooklyn Tabernacle on "Grace" This is the first one, but I think the other ones are on the site, and IMO, good to look up. Very encouraging!:


http://tinyurl.com/z2ebb9e

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (fDdVG)

139 Wow, just read the dimensions of this painting and it's huge. Must be something in person.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (sBOL1)

140

Two words I never heard uttered in the military, at least not together

Hurt and Exasperated

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (RY9Jq)

141 It's beyond sad that conservatives engage in the same type of Othering as the Left and Dims when they constantly like a reflex blame poor and sick citizens for all of their ills and problems of this country.

**Spock eyebrow**

Did I just log on to Hot Air?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (X6fMO)

142 A good place for Comey's new office would be the observation building on top of Mauna Loa.

Posted by: Vulcanologist at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (57R5r)

143 I bought a coaster with a dog on it in Pompeii. It was the least vile thing I could find.


Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (dFi94)


Was it a copy of the famous watchdog mosaic "Cave Canem"?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (hLRSq)

144 >.Media all a twitter with President Boyfriends upset


How so? Did Obama actually speak?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (NOIQH)

145 If Barak is livid and hurt by Trump running his mouth off.. How does Barak and his cult think Bush or white males felt after 8 years of heckling and threats?

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (R7cwD)

146 Well would your tits be calm if you saw a volcano?

Posted by: DaveA at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (8J/Te)

147

If DVH hadnt married 2 rich men no one would GAF what she thought

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (RY9Jq)

148 WHY IS Comey still head of FBI?? 
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin 


I believe the appointment is for a ten year term. I suspect, since Trump can barely get his nominations confirmed, now might not be the optimum time to start that particular battle.

Same with IRS. He still appears to be in the audit process.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (ZFUt7)

149 143
Was it a copy of the famous watchdog mosaic "Cave Canem"?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (hLRSq)

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Without even digging any further, I'm betting yes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (ELUpj)

150 Wardrobe malfunction.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (vRcUp)

151 Serious question:

Were women's breasts considered as sexual at the time?


1827? I'm going with "yes". Time of Ol' Pompeii, I'm still going with "yes".

There is some randy art preserved at Pompeii. My boys and I were looking at a bas-relief when two Canadian girls came up and said "oh, look at that phallic symbol". I said, "that's not a phallic symbol, that's a phallus".

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (gIRsn)

152 What leader of men describes himself publicly as being hurt and Exasperated

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (RY9Jq)


President Joe Besser.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (wwRzm)

153 Was it a copy of the famous watchdog mosaic "Cave Canem"?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (hLRSq)
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yes i believe so

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (dFi94)

154 I have a horrible fear of drowning, but can hardly imagine a worse way to go than to be buried alive under molten lava while clinging to my children.


The pyroclastic flow that finally did in Pompeii killed so quickly nobody had any time to suffer. However, the weeks leading up to it were rather unpleasant.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (uSlc8)

155 So the volcano is the sniper?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (BBWB6)


More like Pluto's Artillery Battery.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (hLRSq)

156

Obama told his courtiers to tell the media he wasnt yet furious, but was livid, hurt and Exasperated

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:01 AM (RY9Jq)

157 156

Obama told his courtiers to tell the media he wasnt yet furious, but was livid, hurt and Exasperated
Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:01 AM (RY9Jq)

==================

Did he say that there's no "there" there?

Cause that's when we know that the's super serious.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:01 AM (ELUpj)

158 What leader of men describes himself publicly as being hurt and Exasperated

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 09:58 AM (RY9Jq)


The type called "a pretty man" would do that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:02 AM (hLRSq)

159 Obama told his courtiers to tell the media he wasnt yet furious, but was livid, hurt and Exasperated
Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:01 AM (RY9Jq)

-----

But, was he clear???


*spit*

Posted by: fixerupper at March 08, 2017 10:02 AM (8XRCm)

160 graffiti writers are not renowned for their pietas et decorum.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:02 AM (OEibW)

161 Man ... this heat and ash sucks. But would you look at all these tits !!!

Posted by: Moron at Pompeii at March 08, 2017 10:02 AM (nw6G5)

162 Ben Franklin was a tit man
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 09:56 AM (FZYNt)

At his weight, he pretty much would be.

Posted by: josephistan at March 08, 2017 10:02 AM (7HtZB)

163

Military hurt and Exasperated

Imma hurt you as I am Exasperated with your stupid ass

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (RY9Jq)

164 I bought a coaster with a dog on it in Pompeii. It was the least vile thing I could find.


Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:55 AM (dFi94)


Does it say "CAVE CANEM" on it?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (X6fMO)

165 Just so you know, Cathy Mc-Rogers also took Soros money.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (57R5r)

166 I would look like Emmie Lou Harris, and that
wouldn't be a good look on me.

Posted by: Jen at March 08, 2017 09:54 AM (K7A0z)

The real question is: Can you sing like Emmylou Harris?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (rF0hx)

167 and someone send Barky a salve for that butt hurt.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (OEibW)

168 ThunderB,

The type of creature that may perhaps possess a Y chromosome, wears Mom jeans, ride a girl's bike, and can't figure out how to close an umbrella.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (R8XuK)

169 Vesuvius erupted because the gods were angered by the wicked ways of the people and their rejection of the carbon tax.

Posted by: Algoricus at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (XoldI)

170 What leader of men describes himself publicly as being hurt and Exasperated
Posted by: ThunderB




Leader of girlie men.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (4Ru5B)

171 fury-full of fury, violent passion, or rage; extremely angry; enraged:
He was furious about the accident

livid-enraged; furiously angry:


feeling or appearing strangulated because of strong emotion

ok then.

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (R7cwD)

172 Man ... this heat and ash sucks. But would you look at all these tits !!!


You completely overlooked that tight little bare ass at the bottom of the painting. Hand in your Moron card.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (uSlc8)

173 Obama told his courtiers to tell the media he wasnt yet furious, but was livid, hurt and Exasperated
Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:01 AM (RY9Jq)

==================

Did he say that there's no "there" there?

Cause that's when we know that the's super serious.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:01 AM (ELUpj)


As I said in the last thread, Barky's waiting for the Deep State to hand him a script so he can go in front of the MFM and pout. If he goes out now, he'll end up uh-uh-uhing and okey-doking himself right into the slammer.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (X6fMO)

174 >> I said, "that's not a phallic symbol, that's a phallus".

LOL.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (NOIQH)

175 My clothes fall off when I'm running from a volcano, too. Funny how that happens.

Posted by: stacyaw at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (s74o7)

176 and someone send Barky a salve for that butt hurt.




Trump Salve(tm)

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (4Ru5B)

177 If Barak is livid and hurt by Trump running his mouth off.. How does Barak and his cult think Bush or white males felt after 8 years of heckling and threats?
Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 09:59 AM (R7cwD)


Perhaps he was hurt by the Bush' and all white males engaged in Othering as they constantly like a reflex blamed poor and sick citizens for all of their ills and problems of this country.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (WQX/u)

178 if W wants to make himself useful he needs to go after zero, with a smile; POTUS has things to do

Posted by: runner at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (VvDTH)

179 And from the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews-a devotional:

"Then and Now" :

http://tinyurl.com/hpg8do8

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (fDdVG)

180 Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (gIRsn)

Yes . Series called History of Sex showed the various sex businesses in operation in Pompeii . Lots of them.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (BBWB6)

181 Does it say "CAVE CANEM" on it?



Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (X6fMO)
===============

Yes! It does. At first I couldn't find it but there it was under my Green Bay Packer oven mitts. I like the mitts better.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (dFi94)

182 Wonderful. GOP commies explaining that they've listened to the American public and found the most important thing they can do is provide health care to every citizen.

And they will be so surprised when half of us stay home in 2018

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (3Liv/)

183 The real question is: Can you sing like Emmylou Harris?

I like Evangeline on The Last Waltz.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (nw6G5)

184 All of the GOPe Soros money takers on stage now trying to sell RyanCare. Disgusting.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (57R5r)

185 Yes, Obama needs to reorder his adjectives. I think livid implies furious, yet he says he is not there yet.

He has already surpassed truculent and huffy. Next will be the foot stomping.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (sBOL1)

186 So they didn't ask Obama about all his spying but did ask him if his feelings got hurt by mean Trump?

Par.for.the.course

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (pUDQf)

187 fury -livid

are we back to depends what IS-IS?

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (R7cwD)

188

This is true

He wont make a statement or be interviewed directly

Cause he did it

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (RY9Jq)

189 Goodnight from Down Under in Sydney ..

Have a wonderful yesterday everyone

Good Brit band Bastille and their Pompeii song...


https://tinyurl.com/zwgbe4g


See you all tonight!

Posted by: Aussie at March 08, 2017 10:06 AM (N/OEj)

190 http://nyp.st/2mFNmK0
====
FBI chief Comey asserting power like no one in history | New York Post

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 08, 2017 09:46 AM (y3aQB)



He should have been bounced to the curb on day one of the Trump administration.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:06 AM (493sH)

191 ooh, looking at the doggy mosaic from the House Of The Tragic Poet. the Romans did good mosaic

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:06 AM (s8yyZ)

192 Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:03 AM (4Ru5B)
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I got a word Starts with F & ends in G

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 08, 2017 10:06 AM (y3aQB)

193 185 Yes, Obama needs to reorder his adjectives. I think livid implies furious, yet he says he is not there yet.

He has already surpassed truculent and huffy. Next will be the foot stomping.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (sBOL1)

=====================

Maybe he's just gassy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:06 AM (ELUpj)

194

Being livid, hurt and Exasperated isnt a denial

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:06 AM (RY9Jq)

195 >>
What leader of men describes himself publicly as being hurt and Exasperated



The kind who, for eight loooong years, claimed no knowledge or responsibility for any bad thing that happened on his watch --- even when it was committed by his own staff.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:06 AM (NOIQH)

196 graffiti writers are not renowned for their pietas et decorum.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:02 AM (OEibW)


how did they stand on Lares et Penates?

Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 10:07 AM (WQX/u)

197 Anna Puma #87: The March 1944 eruption of Vesuvius as witnessed by men of the USAAF.
http://www.warwingsart.com/12thAirForce/Vesuvius.html


That was impressive. Thanks.

Posted by: mindful webworker, eruptively at March 08, 2017 10:07 AM (CigxG)

198 The pyroclastic flow that finally did in Pompeii killed so quickly nobody had any time to suffer.




The CGI renditions on movies & documentaries are amazing in how fast it moved.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:07 AM (4Ru5B)

199 Obama told his courtiers to tell the media he wasnt yet furious, but was livid, hurt and Exasperated

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:01 AM (RY9Jq)




Why the poor dear just cried himself to sleep the other night

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:07 AM (493sH)

200
Factoid of little value...
The temperature of a cremation oven and pyroclastic flow are roughly equivalent. Approximately 1, 800 degrees (f).

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 08, 2017 10:07 AM (ZFUt7)

201 Obama-I am furious that Trump would protect himself and his administration from Myself and the media lies@!

He should take notes from that nice Bush guy and allow me my insults.

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:07 AM (R7cwD)

202 pompeii was engineered well as i remember- other than location; and as they say, location location location

Posted by: runner at March 08, 2017 10:08 AM (VvDTH)

203

Next on CNN

A graphic of a thermometer in the lower right hand corner with an Obama Emotional Temperature reading


Tell Putin, hes hurt and Exasperated

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:08 AM (RY9Jq)

204 A whole heaping large amount of ejecta from the March 1944 eruption

http://www.warwingsart.com/12thAirForce/Vesuv13.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:08 AM (R8XuK)

205 Needs more Eddie Van Halen.

Posted by: Dang at March 08, 2017 10:08 AM (8b+oT)

206 Knocked the clothes right off them.

Posted by: SmileyNh at March 08, 2017 10:08 AM (rgj9x)

207 Just got an e-mail that the "The Odds are Against Us" Kickstarter I heard about here (sorry, can't remember from who) has been fully funded....

Looking forward to the book!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (jjaLl)

208 HaHaHaHa Chuckie Schoooomer: "Millions of women turn to Planned Parenthood for mammograms..."

Memo to Chuck: Planned Parenthood doesn't own a single mammogram machine. All PP does is refer women to certified clinics and mammogram vans. The only in house "healthcare" PP provides is killing babies.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (ty7RM)

209 Factoid of little value...
The temperature of a cremation oven and pyroclastic flow are roughly equivalent. Approximately 1, 800 degrees (f).



That's pretty hot.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (uSlc8)

210 If obamacare is collapsing by itself, it seems to me letting it collapse is superior to GOPcare.

Lyin' Ryan doesn't seem to understand that when he says 'repeal and replace' what we heard was 'repeal, then replace', which is to say, replace with reofrms unrelated to obamacare.

Lies to say the mandate is being repealed.

Insists last election was about his 'better way agenda'.

It also seems to me that blowing this bill up neuters Ryan and the house leadership more than Trump, and is probably worth doing on that ground alone.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (3Liv/)

211 Ooo, an art thread with lady bits, still no sniper though.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (5gXZz)

212 Thank you for those links, Fenelon. I particularly like the one about grace.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (sBOL1)

213 if W wants to make himself useful he needs to go after zero, with a smile; POTUS has things to do


Posted by: runner at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (VvDTH)


I could imagine that:

"I know how you feel Baracky. You spend eight years in the most difficult job in the world and as soon as you leave it your successor comes along and blames you for every little thing. I really feel for you, I do."

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (hLRSq)

214 208 HaHaHaHa Chuckie Schoooomer: "Millions of women turn to Planned Parenthood for mammograms..."

Memo to Chuck: Planned Parenthood doesn't own a single mammogram machine. All PP does is refer women to certified clinics and mammogram vans. The only in house "healthcare" PP provides is killing babies.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (ty7RM)

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"Senator, how can you make this claim when even the head of Planned Parenthood has said that the organization does not perform mammograms?"
-Alternate Universe Press

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (ELUpj)

215
Quisling Ryan is trying to sell his shit sandwich. It repeals Obamacare mandates and taxes. But wait there's more!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:10 AM (493sH)

216 >>Being livid, hurt and Exasperated isnt a denial


Wife: "You came home late last night reeking of booze and perfume, and that pink splotch on your collar sure looks like lipstick. You're having an affair, you b@stard!!!"

Husband: "How could you accuse me of this, after all these years. I buy you this nice house, take you on exotic vacations, and remember your birthday and anniversary every year?!?!? I'm starting to think you don't appreciate what a good man I am to you!"

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:10 AM (NOIQH)

217 Ryan: Hey this is full of conservative goodies, how dare you peons not love my benevolence!

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:10 AM (3Liv/)

218

W loves obama. Like he lives Clinton

And he hates Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at March 08, 2017 10:10 AM (RY9Jq)

219 Memo to Chuck: Planned Parenthood doesn't own a single mammogram machine. All PP does is refer women to certified clinics and mammogram vans.


You wingnuts with all your facts. There's a Narrative to promote here!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (uSlc8)

220 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (hLRSq)

something like that

Posted by: runner at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (VvDTH)

221 208
HaHaHaHa Chuckie Schoooomer: "Millions of women turn to Planned Parenthood for mammograms..."



Memo to Chuck: Planned Parenthood doesn't own a single mammogram
machine. All PP does is refer women to certified clinics and mammogram
vans. The only in house "healthcare" PP provides is killing babies.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (ty7RM)
wouldn't you think pp would have purchased machines by now? just to shut us all up?

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (0O7c5)

222 *kicks young ScoggDog's ass up around shoulders*

"There boy. Now you'll have something to be hurt and exasperated about. Now dry that shit up. You're acting like a little faggot bitch."

Posted by: Father of ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (nw6G5)

223 215
Quisling Ryan is trying to sell his shit sandwich. It repeals Obamacare mandates and taxes. But wait there's more!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:10 AM (493sH)

==================

TBH, I'm selfishly hoping that the employer mandate gets repealed quickly. I'm kind of okay with that happening faster than anything else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (ELUpj)

224 You know who would like this painting? James Comey that's who. He supports the arts just like me.

Posted by: Ivanka at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (57R5r)

225 How hot was the ash from Vesuvius? Photo of a B-25C/D with all the fabric flight control surfaces burned off and the plexiglass over the top turret has been melted.

http://www.warwingsart.com/12thAirForce/12thAF041.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (R8XuK)

226 There is some randy art preserved at Pompeii. My boys and I were looking at a bas-relief when two Canadian girls came up and said "oh, look at that phallic symbol". I said, "that's not a phallic symbol, that's a phallus dick".

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 08, 2017 10:00 AM (gIRsn)


FIFY

Posted by: blaster at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (tewYv)

227 I visited Pompeii right after 9-11. What a wicked city. Nasty. No wonder it was destroyed. I was embarrased to be there.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM (dFi94)



It's an incredibly fascinating place. Especially if you're a history nerd like I am. But yes they did seem to like naughty art

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (493sH)

228 Ryan: This is everything conservatives have dreamed of for a decade, how dare you not praise my splendor?!

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (3Liv/)

229 http://bit.ly/2mFUNAH
====
Dyson: Trump Has 'Tried to Retroactively Abort' Obama 'From the Womb of Democracy'
======
http://bit.ly/2mFJmZY
==--
This chucklehead is Oswald Bates

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (y3aQB)

230 Ryan: Hey this is full of conservative goodies, how dare you peons not love my benevolence!
Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:10 AM (3Liv/)

--------

*whispers in Ryans ear*

"Eric Cantor"

Posted by: fixerupper at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (8XRCm)

231 BTW, Google-Earth has some pretty coil street-level panoramas from the crest of Vesuvius.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (bE6x+)

232 How hot was the ash from Vesuvius? Photo of a B-25C/D with all the fabric flight control surfaces burned off and the plexiglass over the top turret has been melted.


I knew that B-25s were old planes, but I had no idea how old.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 10:13 AM (uSlc8)

233 lolgraffiti @pompeii, at brothel of Innulus:

"weep, o girls, for my penis has abandoned you. now it penetrates mens' rears. farewell wondrous feminity!"

#daywithoutwomen

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:13 AM (NyR0Q)

234 "Cool", you damned auto cucumber!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at March 08, 2017 10:13 AM (bE6x+)

235 I've been working on this for 20 years...

Posted by: Ryan at March 08, 2017 10:13 AM (57R5r)

236 Dyson: Trump Has 'Tried to Retroactively Abort' Obama 'From the Womb of Democracy'

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:13 AM (fDdVG)

237 Ryan clearly has deluded himself into thinking the 'replace' part of their 'promise to the American people' was the thing we voted for.

No connection to reality at all.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:13 AM (3Liv/)

238 It's an incredibly fascinating place. Especially if you're a history nerd like I am. But yes they did seem to like naughty art

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (493sH)

that was the whole Roman empire; and then it fell

Posted by: runner at March 08, 2017 10:13 AM (VvDTH)

239 Poor Obama,first time in his life somebody has rally pushed him back.

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:14 AM (r/0kC)

240 228 Ryan: This is everything conservatives have dreamed of for a decade, how dare you not praise my splendor?!
Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:12 AM (3Liv/)

=====================

I can honestly imagine this "Stage 1" bill passing leading to good things.

It's just that I don't think anyone really trusts Republican leadership to follow through, including the leadership themselves.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:14 AM (ELUpj)

241 >>Dyson: Trump Has 'Tried to Retroactively Abort' Obama 'From the Womb of Democracy'



I'm confused - I thought abortion was a good thing?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:14 AM (NOIQH)

242 241 >>Dyson: Trump Has 'Tried to Retroactively Abort' Obama 'From the Womb of Democracy'



I'm confused - I thought abortion was a good thing?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:14 AM (NOIQH)

==================

::gold clap::

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:15 AM (ELUpj)

243 Why is Obama mad if the charges are false? Huh, strange.

Posted by: Max Power at March 08, 2017 10:15 AM (QCc6B)

244 239 Poor Obama,first time in his life somebody has rally pushed him back.
Posted by: steevy

Seems fair, Barry spent 8+ years running against Bush.

Trump needs to go campaign mode agansit O

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 10:15 AM (FZYNt)

245 I'm confused - I thought abortion was a good thing?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:14 AM (NOIQH)



Got that right. Especially for black people.

Posted by: Margaret Sanger, Leftist Icon at March 08, 2017 10:15 AM (uSlc8)

246 I'm confused - I thought abortion was a good thing?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:14 AM (NOIQH)


They're confused too. They never ever had a Chief Disruptor as their opposition.

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 10:15 AM (nNdYv)

247 ::gold clap::
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

24 karat

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 10:16 AM (FZYNt)

248 239 Poor Obama,first time in his life somebody has rally pushed him back.

I think you may be right.

Which would take one HELL of a lot of sheltering. You'd think, at least at a party or something, some guy would have told Barry to STFU.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 10:16 AM (nw6G5)

249 210 If obamacare is collapsing by itself, it seems to me letting it collapse is superior to GOPcare.
...
It also seems to me that blowing this bill up neuters Ryan and the house leadership more than Trump, and is probably worth doing on that ground alone.
====

*nods solemnly*

I think Trump is canny enough to feel the rumbling and change course.

Ryan, on the other hand, will be caught totally off guard when the base explodes. He'll run out the door tits aflapping.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 08, 2017 10:18 AM (OVUYQ)

250 248 Only thing I can think of was the famous "you lie!" .That was it,in 8 years as president.

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:18 AM (r/0kC)

251
wouldn't you think pp would have purchased machines by now? just to shut us all up?
Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training


Lamborghini doesn't make them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 08, 2017 10:18 AM (IqV8l)

252
::gold clap::
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:15 AM (ELUpj)

Even the clap is classy & luxurious in the Age of Trump.

Posted by: josephistan at March 08, 2017 10:18 AM (7HtZB)

253 TBH, I'm selfishly hoping that the employer mandate
gets repealed quickly. I'm kind of okay with that happening faster than
anything else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (ELUpj)

There is no 'something happening faster'.
There will be one bill passed, and when it's done, the GOP will spend the rest of its time until Nov 2018 patting itself on the back for having 'done something' and expect us to reward them at the polls.
They wouldn't have released a pre-compromised bill if they intended to do anything more.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:18 AM (3Liv/)

254 I think you may be right.

Which would take one HELL of a lot of sheltering. You'd think, at least at a party or something, some guy would have told Barry to STFU.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 10:16 AM (nw6G5)




I'm sure when Barry was out partying with the guys his mouth was always full

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:19 AM (493sH)

255 Our real enemy was just up on stage.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 08, 2017 10:19 AM (57R5r)

256 221 208
HaHaHaHa Chuckie Schoooomer: "Millions of women turn to Planned Parenthood for mammograms..."



Memo to Chuck: Planned Parenthood doesn't own a single mammogram
machine. All PP does is refer women to certified clinics and mammogram
vans. The only in house "healthcare" PP provides is killing babies.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:09 AM (ty7RM)
wouldn't you think pp would have purchased machines by now? just to shut us all up?
Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 08, 2017 10:11 AM (0O7c5)
===

Why waste the money when they know the media won't hold them to account?

Posted by: Independent George at March 08, 2017 10:19 AM (BDZWU)

257 https://goo.gl/UT3Hih

seems to be a good summary of vault 7

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2017 10:19 AM (TppKb)

258 what the effing eff is this garbage? journalism 2017?

Statue of Liberty goes dark, lights up - and the symbolism is not lost

Lady Liberty takes a stand

Statue of Liberty goes dark and Twitter lit up

388 articles so far.... SMOD take me away...

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at March 08, 2017 10:19 AM (TixTl)

259 You'd think, at least at a party or something, some guy would have told Barry to STFU.

----------------------------
From breasts in art, to Roman preference-changing graffiti, to dialogue from a gay sex party? Stoppit.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 08, 2017 10:20 AM (SsblQ)

260 Memo to Chuck: Planned Parenthood doesn't own a single mammogram machine. All PP does is refer women to certified clinics and mammogram vans.

I think you should consider finding Chuck'e e-mail address at the Senate and mailing that to him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:20 AM (fDdVG)

261 >>They wouldn't have released a pre-compromised bill if they intended to do anything more.

I'll say again, I think many people would feel a lot better about what is going on if they would take some time and educate themselves about the process and what can and can't be done with various different legislative processes.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:20 AM (/tuJf)

262 If they were blonde, I'd suspect this was something from Ace's stash

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (BYSrJ)

263 BING has women on horseback.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (IqV8l)

264
I sure see a lot of womyns around for this day without them. I guess only leftist school teachers were participating. For the children of course

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (493sH)

265 You'd think, at least at a party or something, some guy would have told Barry to STFU.

-----

well.... why the hell do you think I had to go back to Chicago??

Posted by: Rahm Immanuel at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (8XRCm)

266 I think Reggie pushed Obama around a lot.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (pUDQf)

267 I visited Pompeii right after 9-11. What a wicked city. Nasty. No wonder it was destroyed. I was embarrased to be there.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 09:53 AM


So...no plans to visit San Fran, then?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (p+Wdc)

268 wouldn't you think pp would have purchased machines by now? just to shut us all up?
----------------------------------------------------
Well they had an unexpected decline in sales of remainder items due to some videos or something. Much tighter budget.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (SsblQ)

269 HaHaHaHa Chuckie Schoooomer: "Millions of women turn to Planned Parenthood for mammograms..."


And equally large numbers of men turn to the National Rifle Association for prostate cancer prevention. So where's the federal funding for that?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 08, 2017 10:22 AM (uSlc8)

270 Because I'm such a giver

https://youtu.be/MeRmuH9M-XU

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:22 AM (R8XuK)

271 Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:20 AM (/tuJf)

Hah ha ha ha hah .. oh I can't breath.,. ha ha

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:22 AM (BBWB6)

272 Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 09:51 AM (rF0hx)

I completely understand the 'sex drives viewership' aspect. I was just wondering what response was the painter trying to evoke by going big on the breastes.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:22 AM (zGttg)

273 Awww, Obama just wants to eat his waffle, people!

Posted by: Max Power at March 08, 2017 10:23 AM (QCc6B)

274 BING has women on horseback.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (IqV8l)



Are they bouncing up and down as they ride in slo-mo?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:23 AM (493sH)

275 Hitler made Vesuvius erupt before he built his wall, you know.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 08, 2017 10:23 AM (B+qrE)

276 I completely understand the 'sex drives viewership' aspect. I was just wondering what response was the painter trying to evoke by going big on the breastes.


Bradford Exchange collector plate sales?

Posted by: Thomas Kinkade at March 08, 2017 10:23 AM (uSlc8)

277 I think Reggie pushed Obama's lunch around a lot.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (pUDQf)



edited for accuracy...



Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 08, 2017 10:24 AM (jjaLl)

278 Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 09:51 AM (rF0hx)

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You know damn well there are some women that look better clothed than nekkid.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 08, 2017 10:24 AM (8XRCm)

279 Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:22 AM (R8XuK)

You're alright. I don't care what anyone says.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:24 AM (zGttg)

280 >>>My clothes fall off when I'm running from a volcano, too. Funny how that happens.
Posted by: stacyaw at March 08, 2017 10:04 AM (s74o7)

:::mixes baking soda and vinegar and adjusts binoculars:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 08, 2017 10:25 AM (p5rtE)

281 I'm not here to judge, but in Tim Kaine's son's booking photo he looks "high AF" as the kids say and his hairdo is trapped in 1969. https://goo.gl/zg3lYn

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at March 08, 2017 10:25 AM (TixTl)

282 Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?

Yes.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 08, 2017 10:25 AM (wwRzm)

283 Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 09:51 AM (rF0hx)


I'd take 2 and hit to right

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:25 AM (KlI/a)

284 So...no plans to visit San Fran, then?


Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 08, 2017 10:21 AM (p+Wdc)
======================

I visited SF in '89. My plane landed at 4:20. I got to my hotel at 4:45. I took a trolley down to the Marina a few minutes before 5. The giant earthquake that set the Marina on fire happened at 5:05. I was stranded in SF for three days with no hotel (collapsed), no clothes (suitcase inside of collapsed hotel), no transportation (streetcars couldn't run) and no way out.

So, no.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:26 AM (dFi94)

285 Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?


I prefer the before and after scenario. Adds to the experience.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:27 AM (BBWB6)

286 One rather optimistic note from early am news: NBC (local Chicago) actually had a segment on the threats to Jewish cemeteries and showed the picture of one of the guys -- the disgraced journalist who was fired for making up stories. I know it seems like a small thing, but to actually have it out on TV news really impressed me. No jokes about my naivete, pls.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 08, 2017 10:27 AM (MIKMs)

287 I'll say again, I think many people would feel a lot better about what
is going on if they would take some time and educate themselves about
the process and what can and can't be done with various different
legislative processes.
---
The first thing that should be done is a straight up repeal of everything in the ACA. Let the senators take the hard vote that will be used against them the next time they face the voters. Maybe you get a surprise from the dems up in 2018 and it passes, and then you're done.

Then, if you're not going to repeal obamacare in this congress, stop pretending that you're keeping your promise to repeal it. Pass individual line by line bills repealing each mandate separately, each tax separately, and so on with respect to every single thing in obamacare and prove in public what parts of it which congresscum are refusing to get rid of. And then run against them in 2018 so you have a congress capable of keeping its promise.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:27 AM (3Liv/)

288 >>>BING has women on horseback.

Betsy Russell?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 08, 2017 10:27 AM (p5rtE)

289 Where's the option for seductively clothed...??

Posted by: H Badger at March 08, 2017 10:27 AM (n/0Nw)

290 A schizophrenic Manhattan man who fatally plunged a kitchen knife into his wealthy philanthropist mother as she slept is set to reap an unexpected reward a $3.2 million inheritance.

Nice work if you can get it I guess?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:27 AM (KlI/a)

291 Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:26 AM (dFi94)


Holy Mackerel!!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (jjaLl)

292 Also, Jack, it's not on us to 'educate ourselves' by drowning in GOP commie propaganda.

It's up to the people promoting a bill to make their case.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (3Liv/)

293 Given it was Pompeii. I expect the brothels has not only men but children of both sexes and animals as well, If you read about this on line you get the usual doltish comments following the articles on "nasty old Puritanism" I don't think animals and children should be used in prostitution and I think many women are forced into the sex trade against their will, and I don't give a damn if anyone thinks that makes me a Puritan!.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (fDdVG)

294 Given the choice of gazing at buxom women who are clothed, or buxom women who are unclothed, which would you choose?




Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (4Ru5B)

295 I completely understand the 'sex drives viewership' aspect. I was just wondering what response was the painter trying to evoke by going big on the breastes.

It's like you people don't even see me ...

Posted by: Tight Buns at Bottom of Painting at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (nw6G5)

296 I'm not here to judge, but in Tim Kaine's son's booking photo he looks "high AF" as the kids say and his hairdo is trapped in 1969.

I'm here to judge.

He's an effing dirty hippie.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (B+qrE)

297 I'll say again, I think many people would feel a lot better about what is going on if they would take some time and educate themselves about the process and what can and can't be done with various different legislative processes.

Posted by: JackStraw


Process, process, process, it's not about the process, it's that we have zero reason to trust the people engaged in it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (9krrF)

298 NGU, the Menendez Defense?

"Your Honor but he's an orpahn!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:28 AM (R8XuK)

299 I completely understand the 'sex drives viewership' aspect. I was just wondering what response was the painter trying to evoke by going big on the breastes.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:22 AM (zGttg)


Chaos. Panic. Things have gone so bad so quickly that people do not have time to get dressed. They are clutching whatever clothing or bedsheets were available and are blindly fleeing into the night.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:29 AM (hLRSq)

300 272. 'Shut up and take my money,' would be my guess.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 08, 2017 10:29 AM (iXvCN)

301 Apparently if Grammie Winger is taking a vacation somewhere, the locals need to flee.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:29 AM (R8XuK)

302 BING has women on horseback.

Betsy Russell?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy



Nipsey Russell was nicer looking.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:29 AM (4Ru5B)

303 It's like you people don't even see me ...

"My ass is down here."

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 08, 2017 10:29 AM (wwRzm)

304 Not much signal

check out some author blog links on my blog

Link in nic

Posted by: @votermom's phone at March 08, 2017 10:30 AM (55x9i)

305 "Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality"
So Aussies have figured out how to make a traffic light that dispenses sandwiches and refuses to have sex with you? Oh, and, 1 week out of the month it just blinks back and fourth between red and green in 2 second cycles?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:30 AM (ty7RM)

306 Like running from an atomic bomb. Which way do you go?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 08, 2017 10:31 AM (IqV8l)

307 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:22 AM (zGttg)

Uh....there is a finely shaped backside too....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 10:31 AM (rF0hx)

308 Apparently if Grammie Winger is taking a vacation somewhere, the locals need to flee.


Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:29 AM (R8XuK)
==================

This is why I go to the U.P. - Nothing much there to wreck.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:31 AM (dFi94)

309 Like running from an atomic bomb. Which way do you go?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 08, 2017 10:31 AM (IqV8l)

Directly towards the blast of course

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:32 AM (KlI/a)

310 Has anyone offered that Trump may have been involved in the bill that was presented because he was.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:32 AM (BBWB6)

311 >>The first thing that should be done is a straight up repeal of everything in the ACA. Let the senators take the hard vote that will be used against them the next time they face the voters. Maybe you get a surprise from the dems up in 2018 and it passes, and then you're done.

Seriously, have you been watching what has been going on in the Senate over the last 2 months? In what universe where Chuck Schumer has voted against the Senate Majorities wife, a woman who is extremely qualified for her job, do you think he is going to rally his troops to repeal a law they fought like hell to put in place and which their base will riot if they help repeal? It isn't going to happen.

People keep talking about how they already had a repeal vote last year. No they did not. They had a defund bill which is very similar to this one using the exact same reconciliation process. So if you want them to do what they did last year, celebrate, they are.

They are taking out all the funding processes for Obamacare including both the individual and employer mandate. They are increasing the speed and guaranteeing it will fail. That's what's really happening right now.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:32 AM (/tuJf)

312 Like running from an atomic bomb. Which way do you go?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


They're alike in another way--if you wait until you know it's underway, it's too late.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 08, 2017 10:32 AM (9krrF)

313 Female traffic lights? Are they jealous of other lights outfits?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:32 AM (pUDQf)

314 "88
Related:



Anyone ever read The Last Days of Pompeii by Edward Bulwer-Lytton.



Am I the only one who found it just kind of okay?"

They're OK, the last days of Pompeii, I'll be breathing dry air...

Posted by: Richard Cranium at March 08, 2017 10:33 AM (ZBO0C)

315 Do you have guess if the light is red, green or yellow? Is every answer wrong?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:33 AM (pUDQf)

316 No Joke: Nike Set To Launch Pro Hijab For Female Muslim Athletes

Weasel Zippers

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:33 AM (KlI/a)

317 Wonderful. GOP commies explaining that they've listened to the American public and found the most important thing they can do is provide health care to every citizen.

And they will be so surprised when half of us stay home in 2018
Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:05 AM (3Liv/)

If you listened to Trump and the other GOP candidates through the campaign, they all said, Trump included, that at every rally, town hall, etc. they were told by those in attendance that they wanted any new health care bill to include forcing insurance companies to accept those with preexisting conditions and they liked being able to keep kids on their insurance until age 26 because so many college grads can't find jobs.

Go out and talk to your neighbors ,friends, etc. The vast majority will tell you that exact same thing. It's become a typical American thing, rail against government dictates and yet demand the government dictate when it benefits you personally.

If you all think these two inclusions in the current GOP bill are bait and switch, you weren't listening this past summer and fall. They have said all along that these two mandates would stay.

I do remember Rand P, and other's proposing to create high risk pools for those with preexisting conditions in order to satisfy that overwhelming demand from citizens.

Also, people keep complaining about how insurance should be free market, etc. There isn't an insurance market out there that is "free". All insurance is overseen by the government, typically the state. State's have insurance regulatory agencies that regulate how insurance is sold, what is offered in policies, how much reserve cash insurance companies must maintain, how much premium increases can occur each year, etc. It's basically a government function funneled through private companies who can profit to some extent.

Remember the health care insurance analyst who regularly called into Rush during the Obamacare passage and subsequent lawsuits? Her calls were very eye opening on exactly what the Democrats were doing to existing insurance companies with Obamacare in order to pave a path to single payer. And exactly how incredibly regulated insurance companies were.

Posted by: Jen at March 08, 2017 10:33 AM (K7A0z)

318 I would think legally that if you committed a murder you wouldn't be able to get an inheritance from the person you murdered.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:34 AM (fDdVG)

319 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:29 AM (hLRSq)

Yeah, all of that is obvious.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:34 AM (zGttg)

320 OT /


Yay! I got an appointment this morning at the salon. They are going to correct my tragic color accident. Now I don't have to meet the fiance's side of the family looking like I have dog poo on my head!

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (dFi94)

321 What the heck does "female traffic light" even mean? Aside from all the jokes, I mean?

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (sBOL1)

322 If you don't know if it's red, yellow or green, does it say, "Whatever"?

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (wwRzm)

323 yeah, a lot of the female prostitutes in Pompeii were slaves, which meant they were taken in some war somewhere, probably tribal fights in Berber North Africa or Germany, and sold by the winners.

in 71 AD a lot of those prostitutes would have been Jewish, from the revolt. by 79 that batch were probably too old

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (wSZhv)

324 I don't think animals and children should be used in prostitution and I think many women are forced into the sex trade against their will, and I don't give a damn if anyone thinks that makes me a Puritan!.

Yeah, that's the NAMBLA* line of thinking: "It was common in ancient Greece..."
Yeah, well the world grew up deviants!
* If you don't know what this is, don't look it up. NSFW for sure.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (ty7RM)

325 296. Worse. He's a privileged rich kid LARPing as a revolutionary

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 08, 2017 10:36 AM (iXvCN)

326 What the heck does "female traffic light" even mean? Aside from all the jokes, I mean?

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (sBOL1)

It changes it's mind and color every 5 seconds? ( NGU Ducks)

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:36 AM (KlI/a)

327 I would think legally that if you committed a murder you wouldn't be able to get an inheritance from the person you murdered.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:34 AM (fDdVG)
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You'd be surprised. Don't ask me how I know.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:36 AM (dFi94)

328 I would think legally that if you committed a murder you wouldn't be able to get an inheritance from the person you murdered.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:34 AM (fDdVG)

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I would think the same. Maybe he gets it because he's schizo and wasn't "responsible" for his actions.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:36 AM (sBOL1)

329 Voter Mom, the Sarah Hoyt article is pretty darn good dissection of a survival trait and how Marxists totally screw things up.

Grammie Winger - dog poo brown hair? Oh dear... I guess it beats having neon green hair by accident though now that is a 'normal' color in certain circles.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:37 AM (R8XuK)

330
This is why I go to the U.P. - Nothing much there to wreck.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:31 AM (dFi94)

Account for your whereabouts on the day the Edmund Fitzgerald sank.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 08, 2017 10:37 AM (B+qrE)

331 Yay! I got an appointment this morning at the salon. They are going to correct my tragic color accident. Now I don't have to meet the fiance's side of the family looking like I have dog poo on my head!

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (dFi94)

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Hooray, grammie! I'm sure they'll make it all better.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:37 AM (sBOL1)

332 @306 - Everyone knows you should hide in a refrigerator to escape a nuclear bomb blast.

DUH.

Posted by: Indiana Jones at March 08, 2017 10:37 AM (vg8iE)

333 Here's an example of what repeal looks like if anyone is serious about repeal and not just playing games to keep as much as they can get away with:



Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State,
Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use
therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is
hereby prohibited.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall
have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in
the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years
from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:37 AM (3Liv/)

334 I wanna see grammie winger in fuschia

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:38 AM (NFLO+)

335 What the heck does "female traffic light" even mean? Aside from all the jokes, I mean?

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (sBOL1)



They ask, Do you think I look better in red or how about the yellow? Let me try the green on. No, I think the red looks better. What do you think?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 08, 2017 10:38 AM (493sH)

336 It changes it's mind and color every 5 seconds? ( NGU Ducks)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:36 AM (KlI/a)
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*whacks NGU upside the head with a skillet*

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:38 AM (sBOL1)

337 I would think legally that if you committed a murder you wouldn't be able to get an inheritance from the person you murdered.Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Why do you hate orphans?

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (ZFUt7)

338 by 79 that batch were probably too old
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM


So in AoSHQ terms, they were born in 49 AD or earlier, correct?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (39cXK)

339 311
They are taking out all the funding processes for Obamacare including both the individual and employer mandate. They are increasing the speed and guaranteeing it will fail. That's what's really happening right now.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:32 AM (/tuJf)

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My main gripe is that they seem to have blocked the conservative wing from contributing to this version of the bill before its release. It's pretty much a purely political argument that feeds the idea that leadership can't be trusted.

Trump insisting that this bill move through committees is encouraging, allowing for those members of Congress to contribute. Let's see if Ryan does it, though it could make his early April deadline hard to hit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (ELUpj)

340 315 Do you have guess if the light is red, green or yellow? Is every answer wrong?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:33 AM (pUDQf)

If you stop on red it starts screaming at you that it really meant green, and if you cared about her you'd know that, you insensitive asshole, and if you don't already get it there's no point explaining it.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (0mRoj)

341 Account for your whereabouts on the day the Edmund Fitzgerald sank.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 08, 2017 10:37 AM (B+qrE)
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I make it a point never to go down to the lakefront of Superior in November. Or anytime after September. Or anytime before June. Too darn cold. But July and August are nice.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (dFi94)

342 It's an incredibly fascinating place. Especially if you're a history nerd like I am. But yes they did seem to like naughty art

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Their gods were going around raping chicks all the time. Like the Clintons and the Kennedys.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (Nwg0u)

343 Maybe you get a surprise from the dems up in 2018 and it passes, and then you're done.



Seriously, have you been watching what has been going on in the Senate over the last 2 months?
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You are unclear on the meaning of 'maybe'?

The point is you have as many hard votes as possible for folks that want to protect obamacare in both parties. At some point *maybe* they break, and if they don't you remind the voters in 2018 why obamacare is still around.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:40 AM (3Liv/)

344 Where is everyone seeing the story about TFG?

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at March 08, 2017 10:40 AM (zRZaJ)

345 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (0mRoj)

Can you think of any women you actually like, insomniac?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:40 AM (fDdVG)

346 321 What the heck does "female traffic light" even mean? Aside from all the jokes, I mean?

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (sBOL1)

I'm assuming that the LED figure is wearing a dress, like the sign outside the ladies room? But those signs are decried as sexist & transphobic, so there's no pleasing these people.

Posted by: josephistan at March 08, 2017 10:40 AM (7HtZB)

347 Does that traffic light make my ass look big?

Posted by: Woman Driver at March 08, 2017 10:40 AM (XoldI)

348 I wanna see grammie winger in fuschia
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:38 AM


What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Taupe at March 08, 2017 10:40 AM (39cXK)

349 317
Remember the health care insurance analyst who regularly called into Rush during the Obamacare passage and subsequent lawsuits? Her calls were very eye opening on exactly what the Democrats were doing to existing insurance companies with Obamacare in order to pave a path to single payer. And exactly how incredibly regulated insurance companies were.
Posted by: Jen at March 08, 2017 10:33 AM (K7A0z)

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We haven't had anything approaching a free market in healthcare since about the 30s.

We didn't get into this mess overnight, and we're not going to get out of it overnight.

It's going to take time and many steps.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (ELUpj)

350 Are the Australians sure they aren't installing transgender lights?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (P/aDH)

351 Uh....there is a finely shaped backside too....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 10:31 AM (rF0hx)

No shit? I hadn't noticed. Thanks Captain Obvious.

I wonder why the painter has that victim down away from the main part of the image, and she is turned away whereas the others are facing the viewer.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (zGttg)

352 I thought there were laws that prevented people from subsequently profiting from their crimes. I would assume the dude was not convicted based on insanity or something, thus being able to inherit the money.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (BBWB6)

353 306
To the choppah!

Posted by: Ahnold at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (57R5r)

354 ESPN is going to replace Berman on Sunday NFL Countdown with a woman.That will revive the network!

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (r/0kC)

355 287 I'll say again, I think many people would feel a lot better about what is going on if they would take some time and educate themselves about the process and what can and can't be done with various different legislative processes.

Oh Bullshit. Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit.

The parties themselves invented most of this "process" as an excuse to fool the rubes (that's us) into believing they're not in collusion, and to excuse their own incompetent asses for not being able to deliver on their promises.

The are only two groups that will feel better for us buying into the notion that the same politicians that passed multiple clean repeal bills ... WITHOUT VETO-PROOF MAJORITIES ... suddenly can't do the same ...

... the lying bastards themselves. And their full-time defenders (that's you).

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (nw6G5)

356 I wanna see grammie winger in fuschia

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:38 AM (NFLO+)
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I'll send you an invite to Son's wedding. I'm wearing a slightly deeper shade of that. Earrings to match. That's why I can't have dog poo hair. Champagne blonde goes much better.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (dFi94)

357 Posted by: grammie winger

You ever take the ferry out to Isle Royal NP? I've been out there multiple times on extended backpacking trips. it's incredibly wild, remote and beautiful.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:42 AM (ty7RM)

358 What the heck does "female traffic light" even mean?
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Camera light.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 08, 2017 10:42 AM (SsblQ)

359 >>My main gripe is that they seem to have blocked the conservative wing from contributing to this version of the bill before its release. It's pretty much a purely political argument that feeds the idea that leadership can't be trusted.

I think they are doing this because the Freedom Caucus keeps insisting on a straight repeal vote which will fail. There is no way in hell you are getting 60 votes in the Senate no matter how many times people keep saying it will happen. Now that is kabuki.

There are not 8 Democrat Senators who would vote for it and there are at least 4 Republicans who say they won't do it unless there is some measure that deals with Medicaid so you are right back at square 1.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:42 AM (/tuJf)

360 345 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:39 AM (0mRoj)

Can you think of any women you actually like, insomniac?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:40 AM (fDdVG)

A few.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:42 AM (0mRoj)

361 Far be it for me to tell anyone how to run their blog,

but in honour of Wymens Day, would it not be appropriate to start some threads featuring attractive Conservative women?

preferably in fishnets

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (FZYNt)

362 To expand, in close relationships, no.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (0mRoj)

363 apparently I have joined the National Football Liberation Organisation. Tom Brady akbar!

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (NFLO+)

364 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (nw6G5)

Do you include Trump in any of this collusion?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (BBWB6)

365 Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:35 AM (dFi94)

Go for the metal flake cobalt blue.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (hLRSq)

366 I have to defend Diane von F. I was writing fashion copy at the time of her wrap dress, and it was a godsend for working women, very much as Ivanka's clothing line is today. At a time when women's only serious choice appeared to be frumpy suits with ribbon ties (remember, ladies? Ugh), her dresses had clean lines and good strong prints, reasonably priced, and by sheer force of personality, she forced them to be taken seriously. Good for her.

I know nothing about her politics.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (Kr0FZ)

367 ESPN is going to replace Berman on Sunday NFL Countdown with a woman.That will revive the network!

There are a couple of Mexican weather "reporters" that might bump ratings a bit.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (ty7RM)

368 354 ESPN is going to replace Berman on Sunday NFL Countdown with a woman.That will revive the network!
Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (r/0kC)

It's funny to me - the liberal answer to their failing network shows is to always assume it's not liberal enough. Economics are just an inconvenient truth to them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (pUDQf)

369 but in honour of Wymens Day, would it not be appropriate to start some threads featuring attractive Conservative women?

preferably in fishnets
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (FZYNt)

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What, the boobs and bums at the top of this thread aren't enough for you? There's no pleasing some of you people.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (sBOL1)

370 >>The are only two groups that will feel better for us buying into the notion that the same politicians that passed multiple clean repeal bills ... WITHOUT VETO-PROOF MAJORITIES ... suddenly can't do the same ...


Never happened and I challenge you to show me one time a clean repeal bill, not a defund bill that went through reconciliation, passed the House and the Senate.

I'll wait.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (/tuJf)

371 354 ESPN is going to replace Berman on Sunday NFL Countdown with a woman.That will revive the network!
Posted by: steevy

So Olbermann is coming back?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (FZYNt)

372 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (ty7RM)

*fist bump*

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (zGttg)

373 333 Here's an example of what repeal looks like if anyone is serious about repeal and not just playing games to keep as much as they can get away with:



Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State,
Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use
therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is
hereby prohibited.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall
have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in
the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years
from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.
Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:37 AM (3Liv/)

======================

That passed with at least a 2/3 majority in both chambers of congress and was ratified by 3/4 of the states.

Do you think that could happen in today's Congress and states with an ACA repeal?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (ELUpj)

374 I thought there were laws that prevented people from subsequently profiting from their crimes.



*Cough* anchor babies *cough*

That'd be a no.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (4Ru5B)

375 Some old Pompeii inspired fiction of mine.

https://www.libertyislandmag.com/creator/atelier/content.html?ln=obamapei

Guess I should depart the blog and get some writing done.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (R8XuK)

376 Ahoy Bob from NSA.
What do you think about my porn selections?

Posted by: Under Fire at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (57R5r)

377 puts carmel coffee cake on table.

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (R7cwD)

378 354 ESPN is going to replace Berman on Sunday NFL Countdown with a woman.That will revive the network!
Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (r/0kC)

She could go all the way? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: josephistan at March 08, 2017 10:45 AM (7HtZB)

379 You ever take the ferry out to Isle Royal NP? I've
been out there multiple times on extended backpacking trips. it's
incredibly wild, remote and beautiful.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:42 AM (ty7RM)
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We did that once - so pretty. We often take the ferry over to Mackinac Island too. Love it there. Sometimes we time it so we're there to see the sailboats come in from the Chicago - Mackinac race.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:45 AM (dFi94)

380 Soon,some team,maybe college,maybe pro is going to hire a female head coach.Already there are NFL assistants.One is a linebacker coach,I shit you not.

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:45 AM (r/0kC)

381
377 puts carmel coffee cake on table.
Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (R7cwD)


And...??

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:45 AM (pUDQf)

382 Yum, willow, is that for us?

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:45 AM (sBOL1)

383 >>363 apparently I have joined the National Football Liberation Organisation. Tom Brady akbar! Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (NFLO+)

"Tomsh'allah": if it pleases Tom, it will be so.

Posted by: General Zod at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (Bdeb0)

384 I generally like the ettes, how's that?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (0mRoj)

385 359 I think they are doing this because the Freedom Caucus keeps insisting on a straight repeal vote which will fail. There is no way in hell you are getting 60 votes in the Senate no matter how many times people keep saying it will happen. Now that is kabuki.

There are not 8 Democrat Senators who would vote for it and there are at least 4 Republicans who say they won't do it unless there is some measure that deals with Medicaid so you are right back at square 1.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:42 AM (/tuJf)

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True, but straight repeal seems like a great place to begin a negotiation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (ELUpj)

386 If you all think these two inclusions in the current GOP bill are bait
and switch, you weren't listening this past summer and fall. They have
said all along that these two mandates would stay.
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Then there's no point doing anything.

Unless you prevent coverage of preconditions, either at the government or individual insurance company level, there is no possible constraint on claims against the company, which means there's no upper bound on the rates it must charge the people who are actually buying insurance rather than demanding someone else pay for their known medical expenses.

Which will eventually bankrupt each company, and the federal government (which is more likely to take the form of the destruction of the dollar).

At which point, neither this, nor any other political discussion, matters.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (3Liv/)

387 Go for the metal flake cobalt blue.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (hLRSq)


That would be a terrible color for hair. Blues always seem muddy as a hair dye, even with glitter.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (WQX/u)

388 I would think legally that if you committed a murder you wouldn't be able to get an inheritance from the person you murdered

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But you can inherit if you aren't guilty of at least voluntary manslaughter even if you killed the testator. If you are koo koo bananas and thought you were killing a demon instead of mom, you are not guilty and can inherit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (Nwg0u)

389 Especially with a fuschia dress

Posted by: Kindltot at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (WQX/u)

390 Morning all.

Why the lack of sammiches?!?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (2x9LM)

391 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (0mRoj)

O.K. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (fDdVG)

392 Alabama I'm trying to soothe angry emotions.

Bluebell of course it's for you guys.

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (R7cwD)

393 "Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality"
So Aussies have figured out how to make a traffic light that dispenses sandwiches and refuses to have sex with you? Oh, and, 1 week out of the month it just blinks back and fourth between red and green in 2 second cycles?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:30 AM (ty7RM)

You're never getting laid again...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin's wife at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (27k1O)

394 That would be a terrible color for hair. Blues always seem muddy as a hair dye, even with glitter.




Blue tinge with the mothball smell.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (4Ru5B)

395 Oh, that pesky line between pron and art.

If there is one. This one may be both.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (TOk1P)

396 393 "Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality"
So Aussies have figured out how to make a traffic light that dispenses sandwiches and refuses to have sex with you? Oh, and, 1 week out of the month it just blinks back and fourth between red and green in 2 second cycles?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:30 AM (ty7RM)

You're never getting laid again...
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin's wife at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (27k1O)

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Well, not by a woman...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (ELUpj)

397 all I am saaaying is give a piece a chance.

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (R7cwD)

398 Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality
This will obviously infuriate the trans community for being left out. This is how we got three bathrooms...

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (TixTl)

399 Posted by: Wenda (sic) at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (Kr0FZ)

Interesting fashion post. Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (fDdVG)

400 369 but in honour of Wymens Day, would it not be appropriate to start some threads featuring attractive Conservative women?

preferably in fishnets
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (FZYNt)

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What, the boobs and bums at the top of this thread aren't enough for you? There's no pleasing some of you people.
Posted by: bluebell

Sorry I don't post pics, but being from Canada, here is a sample, google Michelle Rempel

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (FZYNt)

401 Never happened and I challenge you to show me one time a clean repeal bill, not a defund bill that went through reconciliation, passed the House and the Senate.

I'll wait.


Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:44 AM (/tuJf)

Why, it's like everything they said for the last 7 years was BS. But now, they're totes telling the truth and they're gonna do this sensibly in stages.

Fuck them. Repeal it. Start from scratch and quit screwing around or go home before someone gets a lamp post swing.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (zGttg)

402 I haven't watched ESPN's NFL pregame show in 20 years.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (B+qrE)

403 Yankees over the Cubs in six in 2017!

Posted by: The Truth Is Out There at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (39cXK)

404 391 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:46 AM (0mRoj)

O.K. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (fDdVG)

Like I said, in close relationships no. My experience has been seeing the stereotypical hysterical female insanity up close and personal at enormous cost to myself.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (0mRoj)

405 For anyone who would like to actually understand the process and why things are going the route they are I highly recommend this primer. It sums it up pretty well as well dispelling the myth that there was ever a straight repeal vote that passed the Senate. Because it never happened.

http://tinyurl.com/h6opgtq

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (/tuJf)

406 We haven't had anything approaching a free market in healthcare since about the 30s.

We didn't get into this mess overnight, and we're not going to get out of it overnight.

It's going to take time and many steps.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (ELUpj)

Exactly. Insurance became tied to employment because of wage and price freezes dictated by Roosevelt. In order to try to compete with other companies to secure the best employees, companies that could afford it started offering medical care payment assistance. Then it really rolled into place with the large industrial unions, until every company had to offer health care insurance in order to either attract employees or were dictated to do so under collective bargaining agreements.

And so here we are today. Trying to continue the coupling of insurance with employement, while also reducing costs for the employer and employee, while covering those who don't have a job.

It's impossible, but we are still trying to do it.

Posted by: Jen at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (K7A0z)

407 Where all the women at? What? Day without women? WTF!

Posted by: Sherriff Bart at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (XoldI)

408 "Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality"
So Aussies have figured out how to make a traffic light that dispenses sandwiches and refuses to have sex with you? Oh, and, 1 week out of the month it just blinks back and fourth between red and green in 2 second cycles?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


You're never getting laid again...
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin's wife



Ha! You can't cut him off!
You don't know where he's getting it!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (4Ru5B)

409 392 Alabama I'm trying to soothe angry emotions.

Bluebell of course it's for you guys.
Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (R7cwD)


It's working..I was just hoping for some good coffee too. ;0

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (pUDQf)

410 "Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality"
****

The lens is taco shaped?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (uhftQ)

411 I'm getting the feeling that this is the Day Without Women Who Work In Government Jobs.

They've got to use up all those personal days somehow.

Did they attack Israel yet?

Posted by: Mathers at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (mDmux)

412 If they combine the day without women with the day without Hispanic immigrants with the day without gays, would that be considered a National holiday for the straight white guy?

Just another privilege.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:50 AM (BBWB6)

413 "Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality"
So Aussies have figured out how to make a traffic light that dispenses sandwiches and refuses to have sex with you? Oh, and, 1 week out of the month it just blinks back and fourth between red and green in 2 second cycles?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 10:30 AM (ty7RM)

You're never getting laid again...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin's wife at March 08, 2017 10:47 AM (27k1O)


Really... I keep his calendar, if you know what I mean. And I think you don't.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin's Secretary at March 08, 2017 10:50 AM (TOk1P)

414 402 Yeah,I hate all the pregame shows and the halftime shows really.But ESPN has been force feeding women reporters on to us fo many years now.

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:50 AM (r/0kC)

415 Wow, Tucker Carlson gives a 30 minute speech and Q and A, and sounds like he hangs out here at the HQ.

youtube.com/watch?v=t2dct9ErA_g

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 08, 2017 10:50 AM (6n332)

416 Okay - off to get a non-zoo-animal color on my head. I will leave you with my Womyn's Verse of the Day:


"Wives, submit to your husbands, as to the Lord" Ephesians 5:22


How's that?


bbl

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (dFi94)

417 The 'female' street lights feature the crossing figure wearing....a dress.

So even their fight against sexism is sexist. Dumb bints.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (oVJmc)

418 puts coffee cups, sugar bowl, creamer on table.
sorry I was being absent minded (typical yes?)

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (R7cwD)

419 So, it's woman don't work today.


WTF is Subway going to do?

Posted by: Sam at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (pvwwD)

420 Someone at this doc office has a duck quack as a ring tone.

I kinda like it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (1GMPq)

421 416 Pfft,that book is over a hundred years old and nobody cares what it says....

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (r/0kC)

422 ESPN is going to replace Berman on Sunday NFL Countdown with a woman.That will revive the network!

There are a couple of Mexican weather "reporters" that might bump ratings a bit.

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Especially if their back fields are in motion.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (Nwg0u)

423 so I heard Iran did a 150 mile missile test this week?

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (R7cwD)

424 So, it's woman don't work today.


WTF is Subway going to do?




Booming business?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (4Ru5B)

425 This painting takes the "Day Without Women" meme a bit too far.

Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (zoehZ)

426 415 Wow, Tucker Carlson gives a 30 minute speech and Q and A, and sounds like he hangs out here at the HQ.

youtube.com/watch?v=t2dct9ErA_g
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 08, 2017 10:50 AM (6n332)
===

I posted the link to that video yesterday in J.J. Sefton's morning report thread. Definitely a must watch and worth everyone's time.

Posted by: Independent George at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (BDZWU)

427 Do you include Trump in any of this collusion?
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Trump certainly deserves blame for endorsing the shit sandwich.

It looks like he mainly let congresscum do whatever they wanted to do and promised he'd support it.

Which, oddly enough, was pretty much how obama handled obamacare.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (3Liv/)

428 416 Okay - off to get a non-zoo-animal color on my head. I will leave you with my Womyn's Verse of the Day:


"Wives, submit to your husbands, as to the Lord" Ephesians 5:22


How's that?


bbl
Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (dFi94)

That'll definitely make some heads explode.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (0mRoj)

429 >>Why, it's like everything they said for the last 7 years was BS. But now, they're totes telling the truth and they're gonna do this sensibly in stages.

They didn't lie. People hear what they want to hear.

The only bill that made it through the Senate was a defund bill that was done in the exact same process that is being used now, reconciliation, and it was virtually the same bill as now, a defund bill that will help kill Obamacare.

The hearings just started in Ways and Means and if you think this isn't killing Obamacare watch the Democrats going insane.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (/tuJf)

430 Jackstraw,

This new bill is not doing the same thing as the previous bill. That bill ended the medicaid expansion, the new bill keeps it and also reformats the subsidies as tax credits.

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 10:53 AM (A4HOq)

431 mama aj, my spouse wanted the blah-blah-blah ring tone.
I haven't decided if I like that or not...

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:53 AM (R7cwD)

432 406 And so here we are today. Trying to continue the coupling of insurance with employment, while also reducing costs for the employer and employee, while covering those who don't have a job.

It's impossible, but we are still trying to do it.
Posted by: Jen at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (K7A0z)

=========================

It'd be nice if the government simply ended the tax protection of employer directed health insurance, but that's politically impossible (tax increases!).

Extending that to individual coverage is a step in the right direction.

I don't think I'd want to go this far, but forcing insurance companies to keep employers and individuals in the same risk pool.

Eh, the single biggest problem with insurance portability is really the fact that the real cost of the insurance is hidden from the employee. The employer usually pays at least half of the premium, and while they may tell their employees about it once a year at open enrollment, it's not something that employees know about on a gut level.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:53 AM (ELUpj)

433 420
Someone at this doc office has a duck quack as a ring tone.



I kinda like it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2017 10:51 AM (1GMPq)

It can be yours!

http://tinyurl.com/h9ayptk

Posted by: Sam at March 08, 2017 10:53 AM (pvwwD)

434 I don't get this whole "Make me a sammich" meme. First of all, why misspell and mispronounce sandwich ? Secondly, and I am happy to say I have never been with a man who says, "Make me a sammich!" as if it's an or4der. They might say, "Could you you make a me sandwich?" or "I'd like a sandwich" or sometimes if I'm not around or doing something else they actually have the ability to make their own sandwiches. Men are smart and resourceful that way! ;^) I assume "Make me a sammich" is to stick the comment in the eyes of feministas?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:54 AM (fDdVG)

435 watch the Democrats going insane.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (/tuJf)

Low Bar
VERY low bar
LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:54 AM (KlI/a)

436 "Obama told his courtiers to tell the media he wasnt yet furious, but was livid, hurt and Exasperated "

Say, was there any mention of red lines and/or changing calculus?

Cuz if there was, then we'd know he was about to go Red Barry on us all, and open a can of momjeans on our asses.

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, Advocating violence upon climate changers at March 08, 2017 10:54 AM (1aMQH)

437 Brandon Marshall to the Giants

Good luck Eli

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:55 AM (KlI/a)

438 So, anyone else's local news heralding Nike's new burkini?
I'd say it's ironic that this is being announced on International Women's Day, but it's probably a safe bet Nike did this on purpose, what with sharia-loving muslim women being so embedded (like ticks) in the US women's march activities. The west seems to be proud of itself for supporting the hijab and and burkini. Pathetic.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)

439 429
The hearings just started in Ways and Means and if you think this isn't killing Obamacare watch the Democrats going insane.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (/tuJf)

=================

I'm on your side of this argument, JackStraw, but Democrats going insane doesn't feel like compelling evidence.

If Republicans put forward a bill that said, "The ACA is from here on known as Trumpcare. The End." They'd still go insane.

Because they are insane.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:55 AM (ELUpj)

440 >>Say, was there any mention of red lines and/or changing calculus?


Don't call Barry's bluff, yo!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (NOIQH)

441 438 I saw the story yesterday on Breitbart Sports.

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (r/0kC)

442 So, anyone else's local news heralding Nike's new burkini?
I'd say it's ironic that this is being announced on International Women's Day, but it's probably a safe bet Nike did this on purpose, what with sharia-loving muslim women being so embedded (like ticks) in the US women's march activities. The west seems to be proud of itself for supporting the hijab and and burkini. Pathetic.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)

Should be hot seller, since there are so many muslim female athletes??????????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (KlI/a)

443 That'll definitely make some heads explode.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:52 AM (0mRoj)

Only women who are not Christians and/or do not understand the entire context of the passage.-particularly the part about loving and laying down your life for your wife,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (fDdVG)

444 >>This new bill is not doing the same thing as the previous bill. That bill ended the medicaid expansion, the new bill keeps it and also reformats the subsidies as tax credits.

Not really. It extends if for a couple years to help in the transition but it is also going to start sending what basically amounts to block grants back to the state to let them spend it as they see fit.

The first Dem out of the box in the hearings, Neal of MA, was freaking out that governors would use the money to fill pot holes instead of using it for healthcare so they know what's in there.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (/tuJf)

445 "Make me a sammich" is to stick the comment in the eyes of feministas?"

I'm with you. "Iron my shirt" was better.

For Hispanic women I'm told it's "Cut up my steak."

Posted by: Mathers at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (mDmux)

446 I visited SF in '89. My plane landed at 4:20. I
got to my hotel at 4:45. I took a trolley down to the Marina a few
minutes before 5. The giant earthquake that set the Marina on fire
happened at 5:05. I was stranded in SF for three days with no hotel
(collapsed), no clothes (suitcase inside of collapsed hotel), no
transportation (streetcars couldn't run) and no way out.

So, no.


Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2017 10:26 AM


O_O

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (p+Wdc)

447 No woman no work.

Posted by: Roberta Marley and the Whiners at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (IqV8l)

448 I was watching the Food Network. Someone was make gnocchi. They said it goes all the way back to the ancient Romans.

I'm thinking "The Romans had potatoes?"

Posted by: JAS at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (4sHXv)

449 Only women who are not Christians and/or do not understand the entire context of the passage.-particularly the part about loving and laying down your life for your wife,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (fDdVG)
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Exactly.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (sBOL1)

450 Nothing says "empowering women!" more than a religion that forces modesty on them on pain of death.
Nike

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (r/0kC)

451 My experience has been seeing the stereotypical hysterical female insanity up close and personal at enormous cost to myself.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:49 AM (0mRoj)



So is this a reflection on the female race in general or the person they're reacting to?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (gIRsn)

452 403 Yankees over the Cubs in six in 2017!

Posted by: The Truth Is Out There at March 08, 2017 10:48 AM (39cXK)

I think you mean Mets over the Cubs in six, then Mets over the (irrelevent AL team) in seven.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (WuRdh)

453 Regarding RyanCare:

1. JackStraw is right -- we don't like it but what we're getting is what is legislatively possible.

2. Jen is right -- Obama lethally screwed health care with the ACA and it's a wonder that there's any health care industry left.

3. Whoever it was that said that the vast majority of our countrymen want (A) Preexisting conditions coverage and (B) coverage until 26 under a parental plan is also right.

The Ryan bill is a piece of bread with a smear of cheap mustard but it beats the shit sandwich we once had.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

454 Brandon Marshall to the Giants

Good luck Eli

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:55 AM (KlI/a)


The crazy one, or the rayciss one?

I'm guessing crazy, because otherwise Eli wouldn't need luck.

The bigger question is, how does one team keep Odi and Brandi happy? (So far, no team has been able to keep EITHER of them happy for very long).

Posted by: BurtTC at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (TOk1P)

455 I thought my brother said he was investing in a Sbermbank! Honest!

Posted by: john podesta at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (nlbfN)

456 For Hispanic women I'm told it's "Cut up my steak."

Posted by: Mathers at March 08, 2017 10:56 AM (mDmux)

Sorry, but if you can't cut up your own darn steak you're not very manly. Mommy never taught them how to use knives properly when eating?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (fDdVG)

457 Did anyone see the second billboard that was put up after the Real Men Provide, Real Women Appreciate it?



Absolutely totally trolled the liberals.



http://tinyurl.com/zmwjmsa

Posted by: Sam at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (pvwwD)

458 438 So, anyone else's local news heralding Nike's new burkini?
I'd say it's ironic that this is being announced on International Women's Day, but it's probably a safe bet Nike did this on purpose, what with sharia-loving muslim women being so embedded (like ticks) in the US women's march activities. The west seems to be proud of itself for supporting the hijab and and burkini. Pathetic.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)

Somehow the hijab has become a symbol of both islamic oppression & arrogant feminism.

Posted by: josephistan at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (7HtZB)

459  In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies
. He who loves his wife loves himself.  After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church

and it isn't my book but your own.
just saying


reciprocity
NOUN
the practice of exchanging things with others for mutual benefit, especially privileges granted by one country or organization to another.

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (R7cwD)

460 453 3. Whoever it was that said that the vast majority of our countrymen want (A) Preexisting conditions coverage and (B) coverage until 26 under a parental plan is also right.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

===================

Sometimes I hate reality.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (ELUpj)

461 Blah blah blah would be a good one.

I know someone who has Morse code ringtones.

Totes awesome.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (1GMPq)

462 Thanks Captain Obvious.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (zGttg)

Heh....

Seriously, sometimes we read too much into art.

I have a feeling that this guy read the description and simply decided to paint something with lots of boobs and naked chicks.

Because he could.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

463 >>>What the heck does "female traffic light" even mean?<<<

Mixed signals. The transition from yellow to green is being repressed by the patriarchy.

Posted by: Pliny the Younger at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (2Mnv1)

464 Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (gIRsn)

I reject your false dichotomy and not-so-subtle personal jab.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 10:59 AM (0mRoj)

465 >>"Melbourne Installs 'Female' Traffic Lights to Promote Gender Equality"


Uh, if you need traffic lights to affirm your feelings of equality you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:59 AM (NOIQH)

466
The bigger question is, how does one team keep Odi and Brandi happy? (So far, no team has been able to keep EITHER of them happy for very long).
Posted by: BurtTC at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (TOk1P)

exactly. That is my point.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 10:59 AM (KlI/a)

467 mama aj, that sounds awesome. I am going to check that out.

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2017 10:59 AM (R7cwD)

468 "Make me a sammich" is to stick the comment in the eyes of feministas?"

I'm with you. "Iron my shirt" was better.

For Hispanic women I'm told it's "Cut up my steak."




Shhhhh. The adults are talking.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 11:00 AM (4Ru5B)

469 so I heard Iran did a 150 mile missile test this week?

What is the distance from Iran's border to Tel Aviv, Alex?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 11:00 AM (ty7RM)

470 Here is my take on healthcare policy. You can call me cruel, heartless, hateful, I don't care. Here goes:

This nation will never progress (in a true fashion) while the "poor" drive every domestic policy decision. Period. Why is it that the baseline for any domestic policy is always what's best for the poor? The poor are like a drowning person - they will pull you down with them, whether they intend to or not. Then, on top of that insanity, we are importing more and more of it everyday! We are told there's something wrong with us if we don't think importing the third world's impoverished masses for all us to go to work to support is not at the forefront of our lives.

That being said, I don't have issues with providing health services for those who are genuinely disabled and/or unable to provide for themselves. That is a totally different story. But it seems to me, in my observation, that the "poor" they always trot out and focus on is some 30-something woman who is not married with four kids who either makes $25,000 a year or doesn't work.

Guess what? I don't care. Not my problem. Perhaps she should have thought about that before she let a man ejaculate inside of her. But of course, carnal pleasures always must be provided for first and foremost, hence the millions of abortions every year, the never-ending fight over PP and birth control....plus CHIP, food stamps, welfare, the list is endless.

"Healthcare" or "insurance" or whatever the fuck it is at this point will always be a problem when the Welfare Class gets to drive and decide policy. It seems like the people who take responsibility for their own existence and pay for all this shit are always getting fucked because they aren't as noble, valiant or hardworking as the "poor."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 08, 2017 11:00 AM (vg8iE)

471 The hearings just started in Ways and Means and if you think this isn't killing Obamacare watch the Democrats going insane.
---
Um, the democrats go insane over everything any republican utters, so that's not really a supporting data point.

And even if it were, they're only upset at the possibility (from their perspective) that republicans will get credit for giving everyone health care.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:00 AM (3Liv/)

472 The bigger question is, how does one team keep Odi and Brandi happy? (So far, no team has been able to keep EITHER of them happy for very long).

Posted by: BurtTC at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (TOk1P)

Lots of schoolyard plays and trickery.

Eli to OBJ to Marshall.

Though without a linemen it's going to be more like

Center to Eli to Hospital Bed.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 08, 2017 11:00 AM (WuRdh)

473 Absolutely totally trolled the liberals.



http://tinyurl.com/zmwjmsa
Posted by: Sam at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (pvwwD)

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The "bless their hearts" was a nice touch.

Posted by: bluebell at March 08, 2017 11:01 AM (sBOL1)

474 Here is something from the WikiLeaks dump that didn't make the headlines. When they ran out of backdoors and exploits they simply installed a CIA plant in tech companies all over the world to insert them directly while on the job. In the words of Kim Dotcom:
CIA = Microsoft
CIA = Apple
CIA = Cisco
CIA = All major US tech companies

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at March 08, 2017 11:01 AM (TixTl)

475 so I heard Iran did a 150 mile missile test this week?

What is the distance from Iran's border to Tel Aviv, Alex?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 08, 2017 11:00 AM (ty7RM)

LOL A lot more than 150 miles.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (KlI/a)

476 I'm thinking "The Romans had potatoes?"

Apparently, but one thing they did not have in Ancient Rome was tomatoes. (as I learned in Alberto Angela's excellent book, A Day in the Life of Ancient Rome.)

Italians without tomatoes. It boggles the mind.

My mom used to make home-made gnocchi. It was delicious but very, very filling.



Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (ul9CR)

477 >>I'm on your side of this argument, JackStraw, but Democrats going insane doesn't feel like compelling evidence.

I'm not really arguing for anything, I'm just pointing out that some of the "facts" people keep claiming aren't true and the reconciliation process, which was used to do the last defund bill is the same thing as we are seeing now.

I try to ignore the spin on both sides and just look at the facts. I'd like to see Obamacare completely repealed and have some things like interstate competition and others and this is the only process that makes it even possible. I'm sure I won't get everything I want but I do want it to start and that is all that is happening now. It's just a start.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (/tuJf)

478 "Healthcare" or "insurance" or whatever the fuck it is at this point will always be a problem when the Welfare Class gets to drive and decide policy. It seems like the people who take responsibility for their own existence and pay for all this shit are always getting fucked because they aren't as noble, valiant or hardworking as the "poor."
Posted by: bicentennialguy



Bicentennialguy for President 2020

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (4Ru5B)

479 >>Somehow the hijab has become a symbol of both islamic oppression arrogant feminism.


Thus confirming (yet again) that feminism is about destroying western civilization. These stupid bints don't get what comes next when you partner with islam.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (NOIQH)

480 I'm thinking "The Romans had potatoes?"

Posted by: JAS at March 08, 2017 10:57 AM (4sHXv)


were they ricotta gnocchi?

It's doubtful that Roman cuisine resembles anything that contemporary Italians' dining choices.

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (nNdYv)

481 Sorry, but if you can't cut up your own darn steak you're not very manly. Mommy never taught them how to use knives properly when eating?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (fDdVG)

I'm told they make their women do that at restaurants. Never seen it myself. I do notice one endearing thing Hispanic men do with their women in public often. They pretend they are going to push them into traffic when walking on the sidewalk. They push them over the curb and drag them back.

Not kidding.

Posted by: Mathers at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (mDmux)

482 When you finally look behind the curtain and see only a smokey wilderness of mirrors and mirror shards what will you then believe is true?

http://tinyurl.com/jrwu5ff

Posted by: geoffb5 at March 08, 2017 11:03 AM (d3wbb)

483 Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (nNdYv)

referring to *ancient* Rome

Posted by: kallisto at March 08, 2017 11:03 AM (nNdYv)

484 It's doubtful that Roman cuisine resembles anything that contemporary Italians' dining choices.


Roast Flamingo and Stuffed Sow's Teats, anyone?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at March 08, 2017 11:03 AM (ul9CR)

485 The 'female' street lights
====

They wait until she is "emotionally ready for change" and listen to "her side of things" before gently and carefully going from one color to another.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 08, 2017 11:03 AM (lKcIL)

486 481 Sorry, but if you can't cut up your own darn steak you're not very manly. Mommy never taught them how to use knives properly when eating?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (fDdVG)

Real men pick up the whole piece of meat and tear off pieces with their teeth.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (0mRoj)

487 I know someone who has Morse code ringtones.

Totes awesome.
Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (1GMPq)


There's a Morse code keyboard, for iOS at least. Replaces the whole keyboard area with a code keyer button. Sounds dorky, but you don't have to look at the letters to send a text, which keeps your hands warm since you can just keep your phone in your coat pocket when you're walking around in the winter.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (8nWyX)

488 The ancient Romans used cumin much like we use salt and pepper today.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (vg8iE)

489 It took Fredo 8 years to fuck up our Health Care System. It will take at leasst double that to "Try" to rebuild it. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (KlI/a)

490 Nood

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (FZYNt)

491 482 When you finally look behind the curtain and see only a smokey wilderness of mirrors and mirror shards what will you then believe is true?

http://tinyurl.com/jrwu5ff
Posted by: geoffb5 at March 08, 2017 11:03 AM (d3wbb)

It's long past time for the CIA to be broken into parts.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (RD7QR)

492 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (0mRoj)

LOL. Well done.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 11:05 AM (fDdVG)

493 So, anyone else's local news heralding Nike's new burkini?
I'd say it's ironic that this is being announced on International Women's Day, but it's probably a safe bet Nike did this on purpose, what with sharia-loving muslim women being so embedded (like ticks) in the US women's march activities. The west seems to be proud of itself for supporting the hijab and and burkini. Pathetic.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 08, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)

Should be hot seller, since there are so many muslim female athletes??????????

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On the other hand, adding machetes to football will make the game more exciting.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 08, 2017 11:05 AM (Nwg0u)

494 Sorry, but if you can't cut up your own darn steak you're not very manly. Mommy never taught them how to use knives properly when eating?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke



It's about control.
"You do what I say." "Cut my steak".

Posted by: rickb223 at March 08, 2017 11:05 AM (4Ru5B)

495 Posted by: Mathers at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (mDmux)

That's sick.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 11:06 AM (fDdVG)

496 So it is starting to look like, thanks to GOP incompetence and Donkey obstructionism, nothing is going to get done in Congress under Trump, at least not unless GOP wins big in 2018 (and maybe not even then). So we have probably 4 or 8 years of executive actions, which will be knocked down like sandcastles by the next Donkey Precedent. Anyone else thinking about retiring abroad?

Posted by: Self-driving car>>Safe space>>Adult coloring book at March 08, 2017 11:06 AM (qYCgM)

497 IIRC both tomatoes and potatoes came from "the New World."

Posted by: JAS at March 08, 2017 11:07 AM (4sHXv)

498 492 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (0mRoj)

LOL. Well done.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 11:05 AM (fDdVG)

I prefer medium rare.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 08, 2017 11:07 AM (0mRoj)

499 IIRC both tomatoes and potatoes came from "the New World."

Posted by: JAS at March 08, 2017 11:07 AM (4sHXv)


So did chili peppers. While you're imagining Italian cuisine without tomatoes, try to picture centuries of Thai cuisine with no chilis.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 08, 2017 11:08 AM (8nWyX)

500 LOL. Well done.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 11:05 AM (fDdVG)

I prefer medium rare.
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Is this about me? Look: I know what I like. And what I like is dry steak with ketchup.

Posted by: Donald J. TRUMP at March 08, 2017 11:10 AM (OVUYQ)

501 Posted by: Mathers at March 08, 2017 11:02 AM (mDmux)


That's sick.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 11:06 AM (fDdVG)

Being a little hard on the Beaver, isn't that, FS?

Posted by: john podesta at March 08, 2017 11:10 AM (nlbfN)

502 Tomatoes were around they just thought the were poisonous because the plant is in the Nightshade family. I think.

Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 11:11 AM (r/0kC)

503 It took Fredo 8 years to fuck up our Health Care System. It will take at leasst double that to "Try" to rebuild it. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2017 11:04 AM (KlI/a)
Really, it took him less than two, as it was passed before the 2010 election.

And all he did was leave congress to their own devices.

Like Trump is doing now.


Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:11 AM (3Liv/)

504 Never happened and I challenge you to show me one time a clean repeal bill, not a defund bill that went through reconciliation, passed the House and the Senate.

And here's the crux of your constant one-man campaign to defend the sacred honor of the GOP. This semantic argument designed to mudfy the issue ... along with your chaff about "process". So let's blow it up and be done with it.

Obama vetoed a reconciliation bill to repeal most of it on 1/8/2016 ... per the CNN article I'm looking at right now. Per Paul Ryan's quote ..

"But here's the thing. The idea thatvObamacare is the law of the land is a myth. This law will collapse under it's own weight, or it will be repealed. Because all these rules and procedures Senate Democrats have used to block us from doing this ? That's all history. We have now shown that there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the Senate. So, next year, if we're sending this bill to a Republican president, it will get signed into law."

So instead of this newest clusterfuck ... all they need to do is run HR 3762 to the President ... like Ryan said then. HR 3762 is eight pages long.

Reconciation ? Process ? I don't care. Ryan talked repeal. At the time, the Party of Stupid called it repeal. That's good enough for me.

The jig's up Jack. People see the GOP for what it is.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:12 AM (nw6G5)

505 Jackstraw,

The medicaid expansion is backed in the cake.

If the new bill does the same thing as the previous bill, then just re-pass the previous bill. They won't because it is not the same.

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 11:14 AM (A4HOq)

506 481 Sorry, but if you can't cut up your own darn steak you're not very manly. Mommy never taught them how to use knives properly when eating?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 08, 2017 10:58 AM (fDdVG)

Real men pick up the whole piece of meat and tear off pieces with their teeth.

Posted by: Insomniac
****

You mean that ISN'T how we are supposed to eat? Who knew?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at March 08, 2017 11:14 AM (0x/TW)

507 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:12 AM (nw6G5)

This.

Ryan lied then or he's lying now, and in any case the expectation among GOP voters was that the GOP promised repeal.

Ryan's refusal to do that is a break of his promise in the eyes of the voters no matter how much propaganda he puts out. And it will have easily predictable consequences at the polls in 2018, just like the last time the GOPe held all three branches of government and sought to screw us all over.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:17 AM (3Liv/)

508 >>And here's the crux of your constant one-man campaign to defend the sacred honor of the GOP. This semantic argument designed to mudfy the issue ... along with your chaff about "process". So let's blow it up and be done with it.

So in other words, what you have been saying is wrong and instead of trying to understand what is happening you just want to accuse me, someone who isn't even a Republican, of being a RINO or something.

It is beyond idiotic to say "Hey, let's just let the entire insurance industry to collapse and then somehow it will magically remake itself" and I don't want to do idiotic things. Neither does Trump who has been saying this exact thing for some time now. And there is no way to get a straight repeal vote through the Senate no matter how many times you scream about it.

I don't give a shit whether you like the process or not. It is the only way to get this thing started whether you understand it or not without blowing up the filibuster completely and making the Senate a smaller duplicate of the House and as a Constitutional Conservative I don't want that.

So scream all you want and blame me. I could not give less of a shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:18 AM (/tuJf)

509 364 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 10:41 AM (nw6G5)

Do you include Trump in any of this collusion?
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 08, 2017 10:43 AM (BBWB6)


Worse ... he gave the GOP an excuse. And an excuse to them - and their enablers - is better than catnip.

They never wanted to pull up Obamacare "root, stem, and branch" like McConnell famously said. They needed Obama to veto their shit. Just like they need the Senate Fillibuster since they have majorities in both Houses and control of the White House. How in the hell would they blame Democrats then ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:19 AM (nw6G5)

510 People don't appreciate what a thumb on the scales of cost the Medicare and medicaid programs put on pricing - the demands made to give the government a "best" price a certain percentage below their standard rate led to, you guessed it, inflated rates.....
that can be forgiven (often the forgiveness is taxable as income) but not offered at discount equivalent or less than what Medicare and medicaid are billed.

Almost single handedly THIS is what created the worst cost shifting shell games in the industry, and penalized individuals without insurance to the maximum degree possible.

If there were a single health care law change, I would suggest making a law saying that anyone accepting medicare or medicaid patients may not bill any uninsured person more than the medicaid and medicare rate, and may bill LESS. (With lower rates before or after the bill is sent NEVER being treated as taxable income.)

Talk about bending the cost curve down.

Posted by: SarahW at March 08, 2017 11:19 AM (Sp1NT)

511 It is beyond idiotic for you to expect me to believe the Republicans aren't lying through their teeth about this. I don't give a shit if you like the fact that I've got a memory long enough to remember the GOP lies or not.

But scream all you want. I don't give a shit.

But you told on yourself Jack. Republicans really, really need that fillibuster now, don't they. And they CAN'T put HR 3762 back on the floor ... because it'll pass the House.

And that would put the Senate on the spot. No no ... can't have that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:25 AM (nw6G5)

512 >>And that would put the Senate on the spot. No no ... can't have that.

It's not a matter of putting the Senate on the spot, it's math. They need 60 votes to do a straight repeal There are 52 Republican Senators.

You tell me where those other 8 votes come from assuming you get every single Republican.

Or did you just want to scream?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:28 AM (/tuJf)

513 The 2016 bill passed the Senate 52-47.

With the loss of Murkowski and Capito (she can be leaned on, I think) Pence could do a tie breaker.

Paul and Lee would vote for it, Collins did vote for it last time.

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 11:28 AM (A4HOq)

514 So scream all you want and blame me. I could not give less of a shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:18 AM (/tuJf)


I don't think people are blaming you.

They seem to be awfully down on Ryan. For which I blame Ryan.

Unlike most people, I am not hard over on Obamacare I think there is not an easy answer.

But the failure theater game has reaped its reward. I know Ryan never expected to catch the car, but running on "we repealed Obamacare eleventyteen times we just need a Republican President" is now exposed as, well, the bunch of horsehockey it was.

Posted by: blaster at March 08, 2017 11:29 AM (tewYv)

515 Collins did not vote for it last time, sorry.

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 11:30 AM (A4HOq)

516 Dead people walking. Very pretty painting! And sad knowing the outcome.

Liz

Posted by: LizLem at March 08, 2017 11:30 AM (hvf9s)

517 It is beyond idiotic to say "Hey, let's just let the entire
insurance industry to collapse and then somehow it will magically remake
itself"
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There's nothing idiotic about it, and it may in fact be the best available outcome.

If the insurance industry disappears, the robber barons of the medical industry will have no way of hiding their pricing scam and the prices ofr health care will drop to what customers can pay out of pocket (and uneconomic 'care' will disappear as well) resulting in greater efficiency. At that point it won't matter whether the insurance industry, who let's remember doesn't actually produce anything of value, revives itself.

It will suck if your nest is getting padded by the graft (either as part of the industry, or poor choices in your stock portfolio) or if you need some of that uneconomic care, but for most everyone it would be a tremendous improvement

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:30 AM (3Liv/)

518 It's not a matter of putting the Senate on the spot, it's math. They need 60 votes to do a straight repeal There are 52 Republican Senators.

Paul Ryan said you're wrong.

Or do you just want to scream ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:31 AM (nw6G5)

519 There's a lot of big donor money that's expecting the government to start paying for everyone's medical care one way or another.

Posted by: simplemind at March 08, 2017 11:33 AM (xVRrG)

520 >>But the failure theater game has reaped its reward. I know Ryan never expected to catch the car, but running on "we repealed Obamacare eleventyteen times we just need a Republican President" is now exposed as, well, the bunch of horsehockey it was.


But it's really not. Again, it's semantics. They are gutting the mechanisms that pay for Obamacare with this reconciliation bill, making it implode faster. Call it repeal or killing the law or whatever, it is going away.

If the Republicans had 60 votes in the Senate they could do a straight repeal assuming they all voted for it. But they don't. They have 52. And there is not a chance in hell that 1 let alone 8 Democrats would vote to repeal it.

So this is the route, the only route, reconciliation. And again, it is the exact same route they used last year when everyone was calling it repeal.

I don't care what word is used as long as it is dead.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:33 AM (/tuJf)

521 You tell me where those other 8 votes come from assuming you get every single Republican.
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You don't need them unless you are relying on the filibuster to give you an excuse not to act.

And if you don't get every other republican, it's time to kick them out of the party.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:34 AM (3Liv/)

522 >>Paul Ryan said you're wrong.

No he didn't and I'll once again ask you to show me one area where I'm wrong other than just typing it over and over.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:35 AM (/tuJf)

523 So they are going to kill the funding mechanisms, yet institute an entitlement via tax credits and blow a massive hole in the budget.

Again , pass the 2016 bill! Ryan said they could do it.

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 11:36 AM (A4HOq)

524 They don't need 60 Jack. Paul Ryan said so.

Republicans REALLY need to keep that fillibuster in place, don't they. Nothing like a ready made excuse for why you need even more money to support more Senate campaigns.

God help 'em if they ever get to sixty. I assume they'd raise the limit to seventy-five.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:36 AM (nw6G5)

525 >>You don't need them unless you are relying on the filibuster to give you an excuse not to act.

Oh, then so magic. Ok then.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:36 AM (/tuJf)

526 >>They don't need 60 Jack. Paul Ryan said so.

Because they are using reconciliation which limits what can be done in the original bill.

Look, if you're going to insist on not educating yourself on the process then fine. But I'm not going to keep saying the same thing over and over.

You don't seem to care that Obamacare is being killed, you're just angry about the process. Not my problem, I didn't design Congressional rules.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:39 AM (/tuJf)

527 No he didn't and I'll once again ask you to show me one area where I'm wrong other than just typing it over and over.

"... with a Republican president, we have now shown there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without sixty votes in the United States Senate" - Paul Ryan, 1/7/16

His words. Not mine.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:41 AM (nw6G5)

528 They passed the 2016 with 52 votes, lose Murkowski and Capito and you have 50 with a tie breaker with Pence is needed.

This will, in fact, build trust with the conservatives for future changes in the "replace" portion.

I realize the Repubs are spineless. But I suggest, unless they do what I'm saying they will lose the House in 2018.

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 11:42 AM (A4HOq)

529 >>"... with a Republican president, we have now shown there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without sixty votes in the United States Senate" - Paul Ryan, 1/7/16

And that is exactly what is happening. You are arguing about semantics. I really don't care about semantics in politics, I care about results.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:45 AM (/tuJf)

530 Look, if you're going to insist on not educating yourself on the process then fine. But I'm not going to keep saying the same thing over and over.

And Jack ... if you insist on "educating" everyone on how the Repubs need sixty senate votes to repeal Obamacare ...

... I'm going to keep posting that Ryan quote over and over again.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 11:45 AM (nw6G5)

531 Oh, then so magic. Ok then.
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Or the old 'nuclear' option that senate democrats used with impunity that McConnell is keeping around

because, why, exactly?

Seriously, maybe you should educate yourself about senate procedures.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:48 AM (3Liv/)

532 >>... I'm going to keep posting that Ryan quote over and over again.

You mean where he says they can repeal Obamacare without 60 votes? No shit. What the hell do you think I have been saying for the last hour.

It's called reconciliation and it doesn't require 60 votes. It's the only way. What part of this is hard for you to understand?


Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:49 AM (/tuJf)

533 This new bill

1) makes the Medicaid expansion permanent
2) institutes an entitlement to a tax credit
3) and reformats the individual mandate to an insurance surcharge


None of those were in the 2016 bill

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 11:50 AM (A4HOq)

534 I dunno, that you need 60 votes to repeal Obamacare?

Posted by: MAGA at March 08, 2017 11:51 AM (A4HOq)

535 None of those were in the 2016 bill
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Because the GOP commies care a great deal more about the 'replace' part they want to do, than the 'repeal' part they promised us they would do.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:52 AM (3Liv/)

536 I dunno, that you need 60 votes to repeal Obamacare?
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You don't.

The senate majority leader makes a rules objection to the chair.
The chair (who is GOP) ways, 'hey, you're right.'
The Dems object.
A vote is held to determine who's right, and the majority wins.

Then you pass the repeal on 50 votes plus Pence.

Unless of course they don't really want repeal.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 11:54 AM (3Liv/)

537 >>You don't.

The senate majority leader makes a rules objection to the chair.
The chair (who is GOP) ways, 'hey, you're right.'
The Dems object.
A vote is held to determine who's right, and the majority wins.

Then you pass the repeal on 50 votes plus Pence.

>>Unless of course they don't really want repeal.

Simply not true.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 11:58 AM (/tuJf)

538 If Trump's travel ban is unconstitutional because he shot his mouth off during the campaign...

Are all gun control laws unconstitutional? How many different Democrats have made intemperate remarks about the second amendment not protecting an individual right? Clearly every law they passed was motivated by anti-Constitutional animus.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at March 08, 2017 11:59 AM (BHpB+)

539 So ... have we buried the notion that it takes sixty senators to repeal Obamacare ?

I bet not.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 12:01 PM (nw6G5)

540 >>So ... have we buried the notion that it takes sixty senators to repeal Obamacare ?

>>I bet not.

Please take 5 minutes to read a neutral 3rd party that actually understands the process and then make that claim.

http://tinyurl.com/h6opgtq

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 12:03 PM (/tuJf)

541 >>Unless of course they don't really want repeal.



Simply not true.
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Evidence?

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 12:05 PM (3Liv/)

542 >>Evidence?

Read the link I just posted at comment 540. Some of the assumptions you guys are making are just wrong and you are getting furious over things that can not happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 12:07 PM (/tuJf)

543 502 Tomatoes were around they just thought the were poisonous because the plant is in the Nightshade family. I think.
Posted by: steevy at March 08, 2017 11:11 AM (r/0kC)
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Potatoes, tomatoes, bell peppers, chili peppers, (and what we call corn, as well as other things like squash and peanuts) are native to the Americas.

The Romans had no tomatoes or potatoes.

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at March 08, 2017 12:08 PM (adsVM)

544 Please take 5 minutes to read a neutral 3rd party that actually understands the process and then make that claim.

Why ? I already listened to the smartest guy in the room.

Paul Ryan. Sorry Jack ... I can only cite his quote for you. I can't understand it for you.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 08, 2017 12:08 PM (nw6G5)

545 >>Paul Ryan. Sorry Jack ... I can only cite his quote for you. I can't understand it for you.

Whatever. Do you know what else Ryan said last year when they passed, through reconciliation with less than 60 votes in the Senate, a bill to defund Obamacare the Obama vetoed? He said this:

>>We have now shown that there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the Senate

http://tinyurl.com/hyv5b2c

So snark all you want. It's happening despite what you think.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 12:12 PM (/tuJf)

546 Please take 5 minutes to read a neutral 3rd party that actually understands the process and then make that claim.
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He clearly doesn't understand.

The 60 vote thing isn't a Constitutional requirement. It is a mere Senate rule. And the majority can change the rules of the Senate any time the choose to, as they have regarding judicial nominations.

Maybe they have to make the change for every type of business they deal with, but the process for changing the rules is the same.

And given the dem's willingness to ignore the filibuster when it suited them, there is no reason to keep it regarding any business, unless senate repukes want an excuse for their failure (which is far and away the most likely explanation, as it has been their driving motivation for six years now).

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 12:13 PM (3Liv/)

547 Regarding the bitching about RyanCare- yeah, I would prefer more too. But on WMAL this morning, Susan Ferrechio explained that the repeal is broken into 3 parts. is the first. It addresses everything that can be touched under reconcilliation. That is important, because under reconcilliation you only need a majority in the senate.

Second part is through executive order. A lot of stuff was just made up out of whole cloth by Sebilius, and with Tom Price as head of HHS it can all be undone.

Third part is trickier. It will require actual legislation and will either need to be negotiated with the Dems, or wait until after 2018 and see if we have a supermajority.

Yes, I too wish we could wave a magic wand and go back to 2009, but we need to deal with the facts on the ground. I also wish I trusted the feckless GOPe...

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at March 08, 2017 12:15 PM (BYSrJ)

548 >>The 60 vote thing isn't a Constitutional requirement. It is a mere Senate rule. And the majority can change the rules of the Senate any time the choose to, as they have regarding judicial nominations.

And they aren't going to because they don't need to. They have a process without blowing up the Senate rules which would be a horrible thing to do. If you think not, ask the Democrats how much they like Reid's going nuclear on federal judges now that Trump has the ability to seat over a hundred of them using the same 51 vote majority rule.

The Senate was designed from day 1 to give the minority some power. As a conservative, I want it to stay that way because sure as shit the liberal will be back in power some day.

Why do you care so much about process instead of the end result?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 12:17 PM (/tuJf)

549 I prefer the Freedom Caucus approach to Health Care. But whatever is decided should be on a clean up-or-down vote.

There are 11 supermajority requirements in the Constitution and the 60-vote filibuster is not one of them.

The filibuster is an un-Constitutional supermajority requirement instituted by Senate rule, not by a legitimate amendment. Yes, the Constitution gives the Senate the right to set it's own rules, but it doesn't give them the right to amend the Constitution by those rules.

It is already impinging on the American Health Care Act. To avoid the filibuster, these provisions must be passed separately at a later date:

buying across state lines, removing insurance regs, reducing drug costs and legal reforms to cut cost

...and that's if these provisions aren't successfully filibustered then.

The filibuster didn't stop Obama's One-Man Treaty with his Ayatollah. In fact, it was the filibuster that prevented his Unconditional Pre-Emptive Surrender from being stopped.

Obamacare was passed with 51 votes. But we can't replace it with 51 votes?

And if Democrats can't get the votes for their extremist positions, they simply write crooked executive orders or have their judges legislate them from the bench.

The filibuster is tradition and it does offer some protections to the minority party. But that is far outweighed by the damage to the principle of majority rule and the opportunity for obstruction. It also thwarts accountability for senators by muddling the whole question.

Let your yeas be yeas and your nays be nays, and live with it.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 08, 2017 12:18 PM (Ndje9)

550 >>Obamacare was passed with 51 votes. But we can't replace it with 51 votes?

No it wasn't. Damn, how can people complain so much without knowing the basic facts of how we got here?

It was passed on December 24th in the middle of the night with 60, count 'em, 60 votes. Only later did they use reconciliation, the same damn process the Republicans are using now to undo the financial underpinnings of Obamacare, to put those financial underpinnings in place.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 12:23 PM (/tuJf)

551 I stand corrected, sir.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 08, 2017 12:27 PM (Ndje9)

552 >>I stand corrected, sir.

No worries. Just gets tiring to keep offering facts to people and having them ignore them and tell me I am some sort of sellout.

When they took the vote last year they made a big deal of the fact that they would use the same process, reconciliation, to repeal and replace Obamacare. Now that they are people seem shocked. Trump ran on repeal and replace. This was always the plan.

Just gets old to offer facts and evidence and be accused of lying.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 12:30 PM (/tuJf)

553 And they aren't going to because they don't need to. They have a process
without blowing up the Senate rules which would be a horrible thing to
do. If you think not, ask the Democrats how much they like Reid's going
nuclear on federal judges now that Trump has the ability to seat over a
hundred of them using the same 51 vote majority rule.
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There's nothing horrible about it. There is no value in giving the minority in the senate some power IF IT ONLY IS EVER GUARANTEED TO THE DEMOCRATS.

The rest of your statement is dishonest and you know it. There is not a single voter anywhere in the country who flipped in a senate race based on Reid nuking the filibuster. Democrat's losses under obama were because their policies were bad either in effect, or alien to American moral norms.
===
Why do you care so much about process instead of the end result?
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Because the GOP, like their Democrat brothers, are totally untrustworthy, and unless they give us all of what we want up front, we have to assume that they will take what they want, and then give us excuses for why their part of the bargain never happens.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 12:33 PM (3Liv/)

554 >>The rest of your statement is dishonest and you know it. There is not a single voter anywhere in the country who flipped in a senate race based on Reid nuking the filibuster. Democrat's losses under obama were because their policies were bad either in effect, or alien to American moral norms.

Well since you're going to accuse my of lying and saying something I didn't, let me return the favor. You have no fucking idea what people voted on. Many polls showed that one of the top issue for people was in fact SC judges and they do not like the direction that Obama's judges have taken us.

>>Because the GOP, like their Democrat brothers, are totally untrustworthy, and unless they give us all of what we want up front, we have to assume that they will take what they want, and then give us excuses for why their part of the bargain never happens

Or you could just turn on CSPAN and watch it happen right in front of you.

In any case, I'm done with this. I find it much more interesting to watch the process than argue with someone who doesn't understand the process and won't take a couple minutes to read what a neutral 3rd party has written to try and understand it.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)

555 Well since you're going to accuse my of lying and saying something I
didn't, let me return the favor. You have no fucking idea what people
voted on. Many polls showed that one of the top issue for people was in
fact SC judges and they do not like the direction that Obama's judges
have taken us.
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You implied the dem's senate losses were in fact a result of Reid's nuking of the filibuster, or more laughably that they blame their losses on it. I've seen no reason to believe either is true.

The hypothetical polls your citing (which I don't doubt exist, but we're not referencing one) would almost certainly show that judge concern is primarily among people who wouldn't vote for dem senators anyway, and is only part of a larger universe of alien values that progressives have sought to impose on us.

In any case, that is not a legitimate excuse for keeping the filibuster in place.

Your argument has now boiled down to 'they're not repealing obamacare because they don't really want to' which was the point I was trying to make all along.

If they did, they wouldn't be dicking around with this silly defund approach. That made sense when the strategy was to use Congress' power of the purse to force an enemy president to give up something he wanted, but it failed because the cowards in congress wouldn't stick with the shutdown and see it through.

Now that there's an American in the White House, there's no reason at all to be taking the power of the purse approach. Just pass the repeal, changing the senate rules if necessary (because let's remember, it's not just about getting rid of it, but walking on the democrats to let them know they *can* be punished) and let Trump sign it into oblivion.

Then and only then can we have a discussion about what sorts of things we want to do to improve competition and efficiency in the health care industry. And the insurance companies can remodel themselves around that. Or not. They aren't the primary concern.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 08, 2017 12:52 PM (3Liv/)

556 Test

Posted by: Flyboy at March 08, 2017 02:15 PM (zuGtH)

557 The real horror. Our petty complaints pale when we think about the daily struggle for survival that 99% if humanity has dealt with for >10,000 years.
Appreciate, every day, how great our lives are. Do not take it for granted.

Posted by: Joe Mack at March 08, 2017 09:43 PM (iLoHX)

558 HOT STUFF baybee...........................nice ash!!!

Posted by: saf at March 09, 2017 10:12 AM (+zN6H)

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