Sunday Morning Book Thread 03-12-2017

Library of Lurking 'Ette 'bookaday'

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, where men are men, all the 'ettes are hotties, safe spaces are underneath your house and are used as protection against actual dangers, like natural disasters, or a Trump's executive orders, and special snowflakes melt. And unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, which are such an eyesore, I can hardly even look at them.

Israel and Palestine

I received an interesting e-mail from a lurker who buys and sells rare books and manuscripts. And by "rare", I mean "you can't afford it." Prices are typically in the thousands of dollars. But looky-loos like myself can window-shop on his site, and he's got lots of interesting items listed.

Anyway, he informed me that he has acquired

...a 1751 manuscript book that has some very interesting 'data' which may interest but come as no surprise to the moron horde though a great surprise to those that would seek to delegitimize the State of Israel.

This book was likely created by either a British naval officer or an academic; its title is 'Some Memorandums Relating to Geography and Astronomy'.

Two entries I found very interesting but not surprising were 'Different Kingdoms of the World' of which Israel is listed and an entry regarding capital cities of which Jerusalem is named for Israel. [No there is not a single mention of the word Palestine anywhere.]

Emphasis mine. He sent along this photo of the relevant page in the manuscript, which you can embiggen by clicking on it:

...fascinating to observe these were basic facts, acknowledged 260+ years ago and by what was surely the apex of world knowledge given the importance and relevance of the British empire and its navy to the world even in the mid 18th century.

This is such an obvious point, it never occurred to me. If you're running a world-wide empire, you'd want to have accurate knowledge of what's out there in the world beyond your borders, and what you'd might bump up against. And if there was ever a country in the Mideast called "Palestine", the British would have certainly known about it and referred to it by that name.

Right?

I notice that "Israel" is listed, also what appears to be "Judea." I'm not sure what the difference is. As I recall, in biblical times, "Israel" was the northern 10 tribes of Israelites and was eventually swallowed up by Assyria, and "Judea" was the remaining two tribes that managed to survive. But I would think that by 1751, that distinction would have been irrelevant.

More photos and info on this manuscript on the rare books website.

Another Photo From 'bookaday'

Errata

Last week, I opined that Ayn Rand's book, 'The New Left - the Anti Industrial Revolution hadn't yet come out as an ebook. But Ed Driscoll informed me that most, if not all, of the essays in "The New Left" was republished under the title "The Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution" and is, in fact, available on Kindle.

Bad Sex

Every year some literary publication gives out a "Bad Sex In Fiction" prize. The Guardian published the passages that earned 6 authors a spot on the finalist list here, for those of you who are curious.

Perhaps these finalists should have a look at these 31 Adorable Slang Terms for Sex From the Last 600 Years. The characters in their novels could be playing the pyrdewy, fadoodling, or dancing the Paphian jig in no time at all. Another good one is "dance the kipples" which should remind everyone of that old joke, "Do you like Kipling?" "I don't know, I've never Kippled."

Troll Level: Master Class

Reasons To Vote For Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide by Michael J Knowles is described as

The most exhaustively researched and coherently argued Democrat Party apologia to date, "Reasons To Vote For Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide" is a political treatise sure to stand the test of time. A must-have addition to any political observer's coffee table. "Thorough" --Ben Shapiro, nationally syndicated columnist and New York Times bestselling author.

This book is currently #8 on Amazon's Top 100 list. That's overall, not just in this or that category.

The book contains nothing but blank pages.

Some of the reviews are pretty funny. Such as "I liked this book so much, I memorized it!" and, my favorite "I can't wait until the Audible version comes out."

A Call For Submissions (Redux)

Back in January, I mentioned that a lurking moron (Mastiff) was putting together a military sci-fi themed anthology and was looking for submissions. He e-mailed this week and said:

I wanted to let the Morons know that the first three authors have been selected, and the Kickstarter project is live. I’m also extending the submission deadline a month, since I had initially planned to launch the KS project before now. I’m now accepting submissions until April 1.

All the pertinent details are on Mastiff's Kickstarter page.

What A Difference An Election Makes - Round 2

Earlier this week, a discussion in one of the morning threads concerning the machinations of the Deep State prompted this comment from Brother Cavil:

Do you know why I can't ready Clancy anymore? Think about his standard protagonists--not just Ryanverse but nearly anything with his name on it. It's a long paean to the Deep State, portraying it as all honorable folk working hard to protect the world as they know it. I can't unsee it now.

Yeah, I know what he means. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I had the same problem with Sheryl Attkisson's book Stonewalled: My Fight for blah blah blah.... After Trump tore the lid off the top of the MSM and showed everybody what lying scum they all are, Attkisson's portrayal of journalists as an intrepid band of truth-seekers just trying to report the news accurately was simply no longer credible.

So Mike Hammer responded:

Have you read 'Shelley's Heart'?

I've never heard of this book, so I looked it up. Shelly's Heart is a political thriller by Charles McCarry:

The first presidential election of the twenty-first century, bitterly contested by two men who are implacable political rivals but lifelong personal friends, is stolen through computer fraud.

On the eve of the Inauguration the losing candidate presents proof of the crime to his opponent, the incumbent President, and demands that he stand aside. The winner refuses and takes the oath of office, thereby setting in motion what may destroy him and his party, and even bring down the Constitution.

Sounds like one of those "ripped from today's headlines" stories. NTTAWWT. McCarry has written many other political thrillers such as The Tears of Autumn and The Last Supper.

Moron Recommendations

Moron commenter fritzworth likes the Americana flintlock fantasy novel Witchy Eye by D.J. Butler, which plot goes like this:

Sarah Calhoun is the fifteen-year-old daughter of the Elector Andrew Calhoun, one of Appalachee’s military heroes and one of the electors who gets to decide who will next ascend as the Emperor of the New World. None of that matters to Sarah. She has a natural talent for hexing and one bad eye, and all she wants is to be left alone—especially by outsiders.

But Sarah’s world gets turned on its head at the Nashville Tobacco Fair when a Yankee wizard-priest tries to kidnap her. Sarah fights back with the aid of a mysterious monk named Thalanes, who is one of the not-quite-human Firstborn, the Moundbuilders of the Ohio. It is Thalanes who reveals to Sarah a secret heritage she never dreamed could be hers.

I never knew that "Americana flintlock fantasy" was a genre, but Butler has written other novels in this steampunkish/SF-F mode, such as City of the Saints and The Kidnap Plot. Also Redneck Eldrich, which he co-wrote with Brad Torgersen.

Fritzworth says he liked Witchy Eye so much, he bought two copies, one for himself and one for his adult daughter).

And for those who want to avoid Amazon, Baen also sells it.

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Thanks to moron lurker Unkawill who recommended Code Name: Scarlet, a political thriller by Richard Lowry. No, not the NR editor Rich Lowry, this Richard Lowry is a military historian, and this is his first novel:

This stunning tale of historical fiction will take you around the world in an adventure that begins with the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center and ends years later in Quetta, Pakistan.

When al-Qaeda obtains a nuclear weapon, Rich and Lindsey become key players in the operation that is Code Name: Scarlet. They join a large contingent of American servicemen and women who are tasked with finding and securing the weapon. As history has proven over and over again, no plan ever survives first contact. Lindsey and Rich are forced to improvise and must make life and death choices to complete the mission.

Unkawill thinks this would be just the thing for a smart Military Blog™.

Lowry's other books are on the Gulf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom. And Unkawill also mentions that the author has health issues and is not doing well. He could use some help. On Facebook, he said:

THIS IS MY LAST POST

I am not going to post all my woes. Suffice it to say I am very ill and cannot afford homecare.
If EVERY ONE of you would spend the $5 to download Code Name: Scarlet and you encouraged all your friends to do the same, and, if everyone works to take it viral - I will get my miracle.

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Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 09:45 AM

Comments

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1 No swords? Sad.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 09:45 AM (ZFUt7)

2 Tolle lege

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 09:45 AM (HDU3V)

3 yay book thread!

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 12, 2017 09:48 AM (Om16U)

4 Speaking of Ayn Rand ebooks, who the heck is profitting from them? They are about twice what I'm willing to pay.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 12, 2017 09:49 AM (sEDyY)

5 The cat is hiding his sniper rifle.

LOVE your library, Bookaday.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 09:49 AM (EnKk6)

6 free book (urban fantasy novella) today

link in nic

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 12, 2017 09:49 AM (Om16U)

7 And goidreads groupies remember to check out our current books being read and the polls for the next read, thanks!

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 12, 2017 09:50 AM (Om16U)

8 Morning. Started noted 'ette Sabrina Chase's "Scent of Metal" last night.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 12, 2017 09:51 AM (6n332)

9 Good morning to my fellow, sometimes late-rising, Book Threadists. It's been an interesting week for reading and discovering new to me books.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 09:51 AM (V+03K)

10 Flintlock fantasy sounds like a different take on oh alternative history of a parallel Earth. Now if Sarah would use a portal to come to this world, boy howdy.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 09:52 AM (QB0rT)

11 I read Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy by Thomas Sowell. This book served as a refresher for the two Econ classes I took in college fifty years ago. (Egad, it HAS been fifty years.) The book is Moran Horde friendly ---- no equations, no formulas, no graphs and, most importantly, no math. Sowell uses examples from around the world and from centuries of history to explain basic economic principles and how the real-world market economy works. It should be required reading for all high school seniors.

Posted by: Zoltan at March 12, 2017 09:53 AM (ApkN7)

12 Now that's a proper book case. The shelves are about as full as possible and the knick-knacks don't take up precious book space.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 09:53 AM (V+03K)

13 If you can smell your underarms, it's time to shower.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2017 09:54 AM (vRcUp)

14 In this case Judea is a geographical name, as in Judea and Samaria. Judea is the area around Jerusalem. Samaria is to the north. Those are the official terms the State of Israel uses for the "West Bank" of the Jordan River.

While critics of Israel say the use of Judea and Samaria is revisionist, I've found archival stereographs from pre-state Palestine in the 1920s that refer to Judea and Samaria.

Posted by: Johann Amadeus Metesky at March 12, 2017 09:54 AM (+qnV+)

15 Still reading two books, Napoleon's Infantry Handbook by Terry Crowdy and finished History of Frederick II book 14 by Thomas Carlyle and well into book 15 covering the 2nd half of the War of Austrian Succession.
goo.gl/lU0ZB
Barbarina dancing in a garden probably in versailles
Barbarina was a Italian court dancer in FredericktheGreats time, was suprised to find a portrait.

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 09:58 AM (HDU3V)

16 Reasons To Vote For Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide by Michael J Knowles

I just want to live life as a faithful Muslim, with four wives that I get to beat. And issue fatwas that are immediately regarded as the law of the land.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2017 09:59 AM (vRcUp)

17 When I saw that luxurious and clean library with what appears to be vacuum tracks that bookaday sent in, I put on pants.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 12, 2017 10:00 AM (2qHjF)

18 The kitteh in the library is cute. Not like the last one, which looked like it was planning a murder.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 12, 2017 10:00 AM (EZebt)

19 Currently re-reading The Stand. Only book King wrote that was WAS. And watching to snow come down.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 12, 2017 10:00 AM (mpXpK)

20 Those are the pants of the future.

Posted by: freaked at March 12, 2017 10:00 AM (BO/km)

21 Good job bookaday! Three favorites: horizontal shelving to avoid extra stress on the middle, especially with paperbacks; all the air fresheners; and cat on shelves. Another aspirational book nook that maybe I could possibly achieve one of these days.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 12, 2017 10:02 AM (MIKMs)

22 Good morning horde. I'm not usually able to catch OM's marvelous Book Thread, but there's a family event so I get to skip out on church this morning.

This week I checked out a book from the library on Kettlebell exercises, then ordered a 10 lb kettlebell from Amazon. Before the kettlebell arrived, I accidently returned the exercise book to the library. Now I have a cast iron ball in my living room and I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with it.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:02 AM (dFi94)

23 Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 09:58 AM (HDU3V)

Bad link. Something about soccer and a note in German that the domain is unconfigured, whatever that means.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 12, 2017 10:02 AM (sEDyY)

24 Reasons To Vote For Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide

Of course some democrat copy-catted the republican book. Let's just say, the comments at Amazon weren't very friendly.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 10:03 AM (ZFUt7)

25 Finally finished Shelby Foote's "Civil War"....don't think I've ever read so much in one place on a single subject.

Posted by: BignJames at March 12, 2017 10:04 AM (x9c8r)

26 WELL YEAH OF COURSE THEY DON'T MENTION PALESTINE ALL THOSE OLD BOOKS WERE WRITTEN BY THE RACIST IMPERIALIST WHITE PATRIARCHY!!!

RACIST!!! IMPERIALIST!!!!!!

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighboorhood Screaming SJW at March 12, 2017 10:04 AM (3MozY)

27 13
If you can smell your underarms, it's time to shower.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton

We can smell you in the next time zone, sweetie.

Posted by: pep at March 12, 2017 10:04 AM (LAe3v)

28 Good morning, Horde! Nice library, bookaday!

Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 10:05 AM (ANIFC)

29 I suspect the origin of the Isreal-Palestina name conflict came about under the Roman Empire. When the region was first taken by Mark Antony, the province was named Judea, and continued with that name until the Bar Kochba revolt in 113 A.D. (NO I will not write C.E.!) After Judea was completely and finally crushed and all the Jews expelled, the name of the province was changed to Syria Palestina, and the name of the capitol was changed from Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.

(And it was truly a new city, as literally every stone of every building of old Jerusalem had been overturned)

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2017 10:05 AM (V2Yro)

30 Just wish we could zoom in & see what books are there.

Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 10:05 AM (ANIFC)

31 Reasons To Vote For Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide
Of course some democrat copy-catted the republican book. Let's just say, the comments at Amazon weren't very friendly. Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 10:03 AM (ZFUt7)
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I have always told the story about my dad's favorite book: Scandinavian Humor -- blank pages.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 12, 2017 10:05 AM (MIKMs)

32 Grammie, there are lots of kettlebell exercise videos on YouTube. You will be ripped, shredded, and swole in no time.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 10:06 AM (EnKk6)

33 Shelf cat looks like my Cinnamon

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 10:06 AM (HDU3V)

34 I'm almost done with Elizabeth Gaskell's Wives and Daughters, which is one of those good old Victorian novels where no much happens, but you know it'll have a relatively happy ending. It's a doorstopper of a book, though- over 600 pages- so make sure you have some time on your hands or a good bookmark if you start reading it.

There's been a little writing over the last week, but not much. I've hit the point in the story where I'm mostly filling in gaps between scenes, which gets a little monotonous.

Shameless pimpage of the book: "https://www.amazon.com/ Garia-Cycle-Kingdom-Glass-ebook/dp/B06XC9X5R4 /ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1489327784 sr=8-1" (remove spaces).

It's also available via Smashwords, Barnes Noble and the Apple store. Search by title- The Garia Cycle: A Kingdom of Glass.

Posted by: right wing yankee at March 12, 2017 10:06 AM (26lkV)

35 I have always told the story about my dad's favorite book: Scandinavian Humor -- blank pages.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 12, 2017 10:05 AM (MIKMs)
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What? No Sven and Olie?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:06 AM (dFi94)

36 Each of those 31 adorable slang terms for sex look like they were made up on the spur of the moment by a drunken kindergarten teacher.

so in that spirit:

32) flapdoodling the figgeldy-diggeldy-doo

I expect this now to become a thing and the go-to term for sex in the 21st Century.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 10:07 AM (9q7Dl)

37 Hah! The margins stayed where they're supposed to be! *victory dance*

Posted by: right wing yankee at March 12, 2017 10:07 AM (26lkV)

38 32
Grammie, there are lots of kettlebell exercise videos on YouTube. You will be ripped, shredded, and swole in no time

You are required to wear one of those old-time strongman outfits with one shoulder, though.

Posted by: pep at March 12, 2017 10:07 AM (LAe3v)

39 I never did a tinyurl before, pixy won't let in the whole link.
Really wanted to bring Show and Tell

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 10:07 AM (HDU3V)

40 Currently re-reading The Stand. Only book King wrote that was WAS. And watching to snow come down. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 12, 2017 10:00 AM (mpXpK)
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The Stand and Danse Macabre are the two that I have reread several times. I enjoy King, but those are the standouts for me, as well.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 12, 2017 10:07 AM (MIKMs)

41 Grammie, there are lots of kettlebell exercise videos on YouTube. You will be ripped, shredded, and swole in no time.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 10:06 AM (EnKk6)
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Oh - I hadn't thought of YouTube. Pintrest has some too but I bet YouTube would be better. I could actually see the exercise being demonstrated. Thanks!

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:08 AM (dFi94)

42 You are required to wear one of those old-time strongman outfits with one shoulder, though.

Posted by: pep at March 12, 2017 10:07 AM (LAe3v)
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Those look like they would give me a wedgie.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:09 AM (dFi94)

43 https://tinyurl.com/hr446d8
Try this

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 10:10 AM (HDU3V)

44 Still slogging my way through Yuval Harari's "Homo Deus". It hasn't improved as I make my way through it. The author apparently saw it as an opportunity to digress on every irrelevant liberal political opinion he holds. It's a pity; it could have been a very interesting book.

Posted by: pep at March 12, 2017 10:11 AM (LAe3v)

45 Just finished "Hillbilly Elegy". I liked the first part, then it sticks a toe into the "Now that I am one of the elite Yale law school grads, what then must we do to fix this...." social engineering tinkering-you can tell he believes a lot of the SJW tropes even while acknowledging the elites view his people with utter contempt and disdain. Still, it was hard work, a supportive grandmother and the Marine Corp that put the author right and he knows it, and his take on things is worth a read. Explains Trump's win a lot, though not entirely for the reasons the author may think.

Posted by: Goldilocks at March 12, 2017 10:11 AM (pOgVG)

46 Salem's Lot was the first King book I read as a kid. It terrified me and still does. The Stand is his best work.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 12, 2017 10:12 AM (2qHjF)

47 A year or so ago I mentioned how dangerous Michael Dirda is to a person's book budget. Apparently, I should have heeded my own warning. I recently got two more of his books and went through some of the others I already had. BIG MISTAKE!! Here is the latest casualty list.

Dug out my copy of Wodehouse's golf stories. (Still hilarious.)

Found my slip case edition of all of Lovecraft's fiction.

Started rereading "The Essays of EB White". (He writes so brilliantly just to make other people feel inadequate.)

A couple of Fu Manchu novels.

"Hound of the Baskervilles" and Dirda's book about Conan Doyle.

Certain essays by Montaigne.

I ordered books of Ovid's "Metamophoses", "Night and Horses and The Desert" an anthology of Arabic literature (mostly for the explication), "The Arabian Nights: A Companion", two books on the rise of the Renaissance, and the complete works of Flannery O'Connor.

It helps that most of these were used or library books or inexpensive Kindle versions. But still! Then there's the cost of the gas driving to the library and used book store several times.
And this was all after reading the first few chapters of Dirda's "Bound To Please". I'm afraid to read further. (For the moment.) Maybe I'll learn in the future and avoid his reviews. But I doubt it. His writing is enthusiastic, pleasant, has plenty of humor, and his tastes are too damn similar to mine for safety.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 10:12 AM (V+03K)

48 Skip @ 43- That's a heck of a dress she's wearing. I'm wondering how she could dance with all those petticoats. Wondering about that stops me from being squicked out by the size of her head relative to her waist.

Posted by: right wing yankee at March 12, 2017 10:12 AM (26lkV)

49
https://tinyurl.com/hr446d8

Try this

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 10:10 AM (HDU3V)
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Interesting. She has no visible rib cage or waist. Huh.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:12 AM (dFi94)

50 Now I have a cast iron ball in my living room and I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with it.
Posted by: grammie winger

Some exercise ideas at wiki, too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettlebell

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 10:12 AM (ZFUt7)

51 Loved The Stand, have read it many times. King wrote a helluva book there.

Posted by: Goldilocks at March 12, 2017 10:12 AM (pOgVG)

52 Finishing up Kevin Anderson's Dark Between the Stars series and just starting Kloos's 4th book in his Frontlines series.

Haven't found anything that really draws me in lately since Correia's Son of the Black Sword novel.

Really need something good out there.

Posted by: NJRob at March 12, 2017 10:13 AM (yxUNy)

53 Now I have a cast iron ball in my living room and I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with it.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:02 AM (dFi94)

Pro-tip do not kick it.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 12, 2017 10:13 AM (Om16U)

54 Another thought on the history of Judea, which might just have bearing on our current troubles in the Middle East: The only period of long, extended peace in what is now again called Jerusalem was the era when it was called Aelia Capitolina, which was a nearly 500 year period of peace (113 AD to about 600 AD)

The reason that it got so peaceful was that the Romans finally got sick and tired of all the shit they kept having to deal with over there and so they went in and killed and/or expelled EVERYBODY living in the city - Jews, Arabs, Syrians, Libyans, whoever. It was an "everybody outta the pool! NOW!" moment.

After that they rebuilt it in a purely Roman style and repopulated it with retired Roman legionnaires and their families. 5 centuries of peace were the result.

It's easy to say that the Romans were unthinkably harsh, and they were, but consider that it took nearly a century and a half of continually being poked in the eye for them to get pissed off enough to do this.

I suspect that everyone who gets involved in the middle east gets pushed to this point eventually.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2017 10:14 AM (V2Yro)

55 Also, tangentially related, finished te BBC WWI 10 part documentary last night on someone's recommendation here. Very well done, if sobering. It's on You Tube in its entirety.

Posted by: Goldilocks at March 12, 2017 10:15 AM (pOgVG)

56 Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 10:12 AM (ZFUt7)
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Thanks! I need all the help I can get. Son's wedding is this summer and I don't want any jiggly parts while I'm dancing.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:15 AM (dFi94)

57 Now I have a cast iron ball in my living room and I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with it.

Tons of stuff all over the internet and youtube. I'd search for swings, snatches, and Turkish Get-Ups.

Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2017 10:15 AM (7H/2n)

58 You could call Orson Scott Card's Tales of Alvin Maker "Americana flintlock fantasy" with some justice, though I can't remember actual flintlocks being used in any of them.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at March 12, 2017 10:15 AM (mj4NC)

59 (And it was truly a new city, as literally every stone of every building of old Jerusalem had been overturned)
Posted by: Tom Servo

The Romans knew how to finish something, no you broke it you fix it crap.

Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2017 10:16 AM (zZb/S)

60 votermom -

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:16 AM (dFi94)

61 (And it was truly a new city, as literally every stone of every building of old Jerusalem had been overturned)

Posted by: Tom Servo
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What about the Western Wall?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:18 AM (dFi94)

62 Good morning, horde!

Grammie, I have found that youtube is a great guide for kettle bell exercising. Much as I love books, the video instruction might be better in this case.

Posted by: April at March 12, 2017 10:19 AM (e8PP1)

63 Now I have a cast iron ball in my living room and I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with it.

Return fire!!!

Posted by: Horatio Hornblower at March 12, 2017 10:20 AM (oVJmc)

64 Just finished "Hillbilly Elegy". I liked the first
part, then it sticks a toe into the "Now that I am one of the elite Yale
law school grads, what then must we do to fix this...." social
engineering tinkering-you can tell he believes a lot of the SJW tropes
even while acknowledging the elites view his people with utter contempt
and disdain. Still, it was hard work, a supportive grandmother and the
Marine Corp that put the author right and he knows it, and his take on
things is worth a read. Explains Trump's win a lot, though not entirely
for the reasons the author may think. Posted by: Goldilocks at March 12, 2017 10:11 AM (pOgVG)
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Think 'Rocket Boys' or renamed as 'October Sky'. I just could not get anyone of my book friends interested in that, but I loved it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 12, 2017 10:20 AM (MIKMs)

65 What happened around 600 AD to put an end to the peace? /s

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2017 10:20 AM (IDPbH)

66
Tons of stuff all over the internet and youtube. I'd search for swings, snatches, and Turkish Get-Ups.
Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2017 10:15 AM (7H/2n)
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NEVER chase links recommended by Hordelings!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 10:22 AM (EnKk6)

67 Now I have a cast iron ball in my living room and I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with it.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:02 AM (dFi94)

You need a bowling alley.

Posted by: right wing yankee at March 12, 2017 10:22 AM (26lkV)

68 I see that Eris beat me to the suggestion. I shoulda refreshed before posting.

Posted by: April at March 12, 2017 10:23 AM (e8PP1)

69 What happened around 600 AD to put an end to the peace? /s
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

The Crusades

Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2017 10:23 AM (zZb/S)

70 Not technically reading, but certainly book-related: I've been listening to a bunch of book-themed lectures from The Great Courses. First up, "The Secrets of Great Mystery and Suspense Fiction" by David Schmid. Obviously, a survey of mystery fiction, from Poe to present. There is a wonderfully informative 18 lecture set hidden within this 36 lecture course. Way too much fluff. Including a lot of 'minorities in mystery' lectures, which usually amounts to 'here's a minority author who wrote about minority issues, and he/she also wrote one book that happened to be a mystery, so I'm going to talk about it.' Still....very informative about pulps and dime novels and noir in general. It prompted me to read a few more stories from the "Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps" collection that I picked up a while back.

Also working through "How Great Science Fiction Works" by Gary K Wolfe. So far, its been much more enjoyable. Partly because I'm a bigger sci-fi fan than a mystery fan, but also because its much more streamlined. No filler at all. Looking forward to finishing it.

Posted by: Castle Guy at March 12, 2017 10:24 AM (7aeqx)

71 You need a bowling alley.

Posted by: right wing yankee at March 12, 2017 10:22 AM (26lkV)
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Bestest idea ever

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:24 AM (dFi94)

72 Read another of the Stephen Hunter books with his protagonist , Earl Swagger which was pretty good . Hot Springs. I was waiting for Bill Clinton's mom to pop up as one of the bad characters.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2017 10:24 AM (IDPbH)

73 Thanks! I need all the help I can get. Son's wedding is this summer and I don't want any jiggly parts while I'm dancing.
Posted by: grammie winger

Pro-tip - start easy. Wait 24 hours. No pain? Continue.

Do as I say, not as I do. Third day of back pain after overdoing it with my backpack filled with sand walking routine. These 29 year old bones, you know.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 10:24 AM (ZFUt7)

74 For those of the Horde who are interested in Q-ships of the Great War, Gutenberg has added a new title that from a quick skim covers British Q-ship operations around England and Ireland.

Q-Ships and their Story by Edward Keble Chatteron. 1922.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/54338/54338-h/54338-h.htm

For further reading of raiders during the Great War.

From the German side - The Wolf.
https://www.amazon.com/Wolf-Mystery-Raider-Terrorized-During/dp/1416576118

And one of the oddest battles to come out of the Great War of when two axillary cruisers disguised themselves as each other before trading shots. The Ship That Hunted Itself
https://www.amazon.com/Ship-That-Hunted-Itself/dp/0812819268

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 10:24 AM (QB0rT)

75 These 29 year old bones, you know.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 10:24 AM (ZFUt7)
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Ya, I know what you mean.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:25 AM (dFi94)

76 Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 10:10 AM (HDU3V)

That worked.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 12, 2017 10:29 AM (sEDyY)

77 I will love you all. You will not have to put up with the depredations of men.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2017 10:29 AM (vRcUp)

78 I've mentioned how valuable I found CS Lewis' "A Preface to Paradise Lost". It's a brief (100 or so pages) but brilliant piece on understanding Paradise Lost and epic poetry in general. It is like a semester long class condensed effectively to a slim volume.

My copy was showing its age of 40-plus years with browning paper and brittle pages. A recent edition has come out for seven dollars on Amazon. It lacks the index in the original, no big deal in this case, but seems well enough made for a paperback. There is a Kindle version but some comments talked about poor formatting and appearance.

Like so much of Lewis' academic writing, this one provides the context needed to appreciate what Milton intended with his master work.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 10:29 AM (V+03K)

79 by: Jean at March 12, 2017 10:23 AM (zZb/S)

Yeah I guess you could make the chicken or the egg argument.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2017 10:30 AM (IDPbH)

80 I just stole this from Newsbusters:

Clock Boy reminds us to set our bombs ahead one hour.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 12, 2017 10:31 AM (PY9jH)

81 Talk of the Great Courses reminds me I need to finish up Patterson's Master Class, though Lesson 16 is working with a co-author. And last two times I tried to play the video it froze.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 10:32 AM (QB0rT)

82 I'm so jealous of the pictured libraries. We have about 250 feet of bookshelf, some double deep, and still there are more than 60 boxes of books in the basement from the move 10 years ago that I'm too old/tired to deal with. And that's not to mention the records, cds, VHS tapes, laser-discs, dvds. Pack-rat married a pack-rat. Love is wonderful as long as we can wind our way through the house.

Posted by: geoffb5 at March 12, 2017 10:33 AM (d3wbb)

83 Another thought on the history of Judea, which might just have bearing on our current troubles in the Middle East: The only period of long, extended peace in what is now again called Jerusalem was the era when it was called Aelia Capitolina, which was a nearly 500 year period of peace (113 AD to about 600 AD)

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2017 10:14 AM (V2Yro)

You're excepting the Bar Kochba revolt in 132-135 AD, I take it.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 10:34 AM (0K/XU)

84 Been reading short stories by R A Lafferty over the last week.

Mostly, from

"The Man with Speckled Eyes" collection

and the kindle

Megapack Collection.

Lafferty, when he's really on target, is simply like nobody else. Those stories are a straight plunge down the rabbit hole, and generally, quite funny.

But, on occasion, he can get tangled up in a simple idea/plot and spin out 25 pages where 10 would've worked better.

The Megapack is interesting because they're all early stories and you can see his technique evolving. A pinch of O. Henry, dash of Irish raconteur, a big dollop of folk tales and myth, a splash of SF,

and a big ole hog's head of, what you might call hard-edged whimsy.

Your tolerance for his stories depends on how you handle his hard-edged whimsy and no-quarter-given plunge into the odd world of his best tales.

Anywho, most of the stories in the Megapack are very early and not at all his best, but they are all in public domain and you can find them for free on the kindle,

give them a shot and see if they're your kind of thing.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 10:34 AM (9q7Dl)

85 Reading Run by Michaelbrent Collings. The plot twists better be worth the massacres.

Posted by: DaveA at March 12, 2017 10:36 AM (8J/Te)

86 In one study, kettlebell enthusiasts performing a 20-minute snatch workout were measured to burn, on average, 13.6 calories/minute aerobically and 6.6 calories/minute anaerobically during the entire workout - "equivalent to running a 6-minute mile pace"

800 calories per hour? That's some serious exercise.

I might just check that out. If nothing else it would be a pretty decent anchor for a small boat.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 10:36 AM (ZFUt7)

87 Nice post OM!

Interesting about the Brit map.....It would seem to indicate that "Palestine" is as much fiction as the religion of peace.

Now to find the first reference to "Palestine" on a reliable map, who drew it up and why.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 10:39 AM (5VlCp)

88 A 19th Century sort of alternate reality fantasy is Patricia Wrede's Frontier Magic trilogy.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/46429-frontier-magic

It's kind of 'Little House on the Hogwarts.' The world has three major schools of magic that have played a vital role in the ascent of civilization. These are European, Asian, and Africa, though under different names, along with much else in this universe. There is a tiny minority group, The Rationalists, who disdain the use of magic and are looked upon as religious fanatics and Luddites. The nation of Columbia stretches across North America from the east coast to their version of the Mississippi River. Beyond that is the great barrier, a spell created by Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin that keeps most forms of magical wildlife from the west held back and enables the frontier to be settled. The narrator is a 13th child in a family that moves out there when she is five, partially to avoid the strong sentiment by some that she is cursed by being a 13th child, while her twin brother, the 7th son of a 7th son, is regarded as destined to be an immensely powerful practitioner.

The book reads like a Western written by John Muir. Eff, the narrator, participates in many exploratory trips beyond the great barrier, delving into the mysteries and dangers restricting the westward advance of human civilization. There are no Indians in this universe, and this is attributed to any ancient inhabitants of the continent lacking magic skills and being eventually wiped out by the wildlife. So there is no knowing what lies more than a couple hundred miles beyond the great barrier, as many expeditions failed to return or came back hopelessly insane.

It reads very much like a chapter out of our nation's history. The author makes Eff a strong woman without making her an anachronism that spouts attitudes a century out of sync with the era. There are no grand conspiracies or Dark Lords. It's just a somewhat different but recognizable version of our universe, with people taking on the wilderness by the basic labor of putting one foot ahead of the other and repeating.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 12, 2017 10:40 AM (AK5Ni)

89 Test

Posted by: stace---so many typos! at March 12, 2017 10:42 AM (PkIg+)

90 I got the date wrong on Bar Kochba, looking at too much stuff this morning. Apologies.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2017 10:42 AM (V2Yro)

91 Oh yeah, books! Let's see...

Continuing to regress to childhood by reading Lewis Barnavelt mysteries. Where would these adventurous kids be without bachelor uncles/maiden aunts with huge old houses stuffed with moldy tomes and magical bric-a-brac?

Also enjoying a Mickey Bolitar mystery. Mickey is Myron's nephew and these are geared toward the YA market. The writing is just as clever as his adult stories, though the plot is not as convoluted. Often wondered what sets apart an adult novel with a teenager as protagonist, and a YA story with same.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 10:42 AM (EnKk6)

92 800 calories per hour? That's some serious exercise.
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Yeah, that is intriguing. Little bit worried about losing my grip and smashing a hole in the wall, though.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 12, 2017 10:45 AM (4bKiB)

93 Not about a book but somewhat on topic. I recently watched the Dick Cavett interview with Truman Capote. I really never heard Capote before though I heard many different people do imitations of him. Always assumed those people were doing an exaggerated version of Capote. I learned that, if anything , they were doing a toned down version. The interview was fascinating in both the content and the superficial observation of Capote's mannerisms and speaking style.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2017 10:48 AM (IDPbH)

94 I have an old medical book printed in 1795, looks like something you might of carried if you were migrating west over the mountains into Kentucky or some such place. Printed by Thomas Dobson, Philadelphia.
At the stone-house, South second street. Great shape, realizing how old it is. Its interesting reading some of the medical terms and remedies from back then,.and to think of all the history that has happen in the US since!

Posted by: Colin at March 12, 2017 10:48 AM (PLCSu)

95 Thanks! I need all the help I can get. Son's wedding is this summer and I don't want any jiggly parts while I'm dancing.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:15 AM (dFi94)

Spandex undergarments.

Posted by: BignJames at March 12, 2017 10:48 AM (x9c8r)

96 That could be an episode of Archer. The nefarious Kettle Ball...

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 10:48 AM (QB0rT)

97 Ah, it seems I can't post a comment using the wifi in our new home. I guess our IP was pre-banned for our convenience.

Lol at the Febreze in bookaday's library. I used to keep our Febreze in a cabinet under one our bookshelves, for the doggeh smell. Like most of our books, it's still packed away in one of these boxes we have all over the house.

Posted by: stace---so much winning! at March 12, 2017 10:49 AM (PkIg+)

98 Now I have a cast iron ball in my living room and I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with it.

A word of musical advice from the incomparable Ella:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqVYFztmxds

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 12, 2017 10:49 AM (H5rtT)

99 Kettle balls are great.

but, they're also great for traumatizing your shoulder.

so, use them with caution and follow instructions.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 10:49 AM (9q7Dl)

100 Often wondered what sets apart an adult novel with a teenager as protagonist, and a YA story with same.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 10:42 AM (EnKk6)
If you ever find out, let me know. I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm writing adult books with teenage protagonists, without meaning to. Oh well, as long as people read them, I don't mind.

Posted by: right wing yankee at March 12, 2017 10:49 AM (26lkV)

101 Every time I see Kettle Ball I think of people doing Kegel exercises.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2017 10:51 AM (IDPbH)

102 Anna, have you pushed past the wall in your Alexandria story?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 10:51 AM (EnKk6)

103 NEVER chase links recommended by Hordelings!

Now that you mention it, I guess I see how a search for the "Bottoms-Up Waiter's Walk" could go wrong...

Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2017 10:54 AM (eeTCA)

104 Woo Hoo! First Tinyur! Anyway I really get into extracurricular informtion in books.
In my collection of the History of the Second World War by Cavendish from the early 70's have a issue with drawings of WWI Q Ships.

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 10:54 AM (HDU3V)

105 Recently learned that Family Christian Stores is going out of business and closing all its stores. I picked up a copy of the NIV Cultural Bible on discount. Haven't had a chance to read any of it yet but glancing through it looks helpful. Given my vast knowledge of the Bible (unbelievable level of understatement) more context and background can really help.

I've gone through several versions of the Bible now and, unless I need the Catholic edition specifically, prefer the Geneva version for clarity. This opinion is ALWAYS subject to change.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 10:57 AM (V+03K)

106 @101 I want to meet some of your lady friends. They sound like "my type."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 12, 2017 10:57 AM (H5rtT)

107 Only book King wrote that was WAS. And watching to snow come down.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 12, 2017 10:00 AM (mpXpK)

"Salem's Lot" is excellent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2017 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

108 Prior to 1948, when the "Palestinians" were referred to, people were referring to the Jews.

Posted by: Ashley Juddhead at March 12, 2017 10:58 AM (SJ184)

109 Charles McCarry, who worked undercover for the CIA for a decade (using the cover of his position as an editor for National Geographic, no less) has said that there are few, if any, conservatives in the CIA at any level and lots of progs. And this was before Obama.

McCarry is probably the best American espionage writer ever and he is still writing at 87. His 1998 Lucky Bastard featured an oversexed and amoral U.S. president whose controller is a Soviet case officer who happens to be his wife. The Clintons couldn't have been any more thinly disguised without an Arkancide.

Posted by: cool breeze at March 12, 2017 11:01 AM (StZrq)

110 prefer the Geneva version for clarity.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 10:57 AM (V+03K)
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My Bible-printing knowledge is fuzzy at best. Did the Geneva version pre-date the King James? I believe it was one of the first versions that was not written in Latin, but I could be off on that.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 11:01 AM (dFi94)

111 Reading Stalin:The Court of the Red Tsar, by Montefiore, Simon Sebag

One gripe: He switches between nicknames, alias names, surnames, and other Russian variants so much you need to build a guide to keep track of who he is talking about. He is also very informal with dates (leaving off years and backtracking), so following the timeline is tricky.

Bonus: There is a lot of source material Montefiore had access to that few others had in that all too brief window when the Russian archives were open in the 90's. He also got a lot of valuable interviews. He opens a window on the 'magnates' - Stalin's crew, and provides some fascinating glimpses into their 'conversations'.

Takeaway: Get a Safe Space and have a Comfort Item/Animal to have with you when reading this book. The Great Terror is opened up to you to see how it came about and how many people accepted and supported it.

Posted by: jd will at March 12, 2017 11:03 AM (EEqRQ)

112 I find Russians seem to use a persons whole name in conversation in movies and books.

Posted by: Skip at March 12, 2017 11:05 AM (HDU3V)

113 I can't believe y'all are discussing my hobby!

Collecting WWI Q-Tips!

The practice and Science of Earhole Cleaning and Hygiene has a long and storied history-

that some say reached it's apex during WWI.

For instance, in my collection I have a custom built Q-Tip for Edward VIII, while Prince of Wales.

It consists of an Indian Elephant ivory shaft with Tasmanian Devil's whiskers on the business ends.

And the there's the Tortoise Shell-

What?....wait....what?

Oh...o-o-o-oh....Q-Ships?

What the...?

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

Nevermind.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 11:06 AM (9q7Dl)

114 Wiki says the Geneva Bible pre-dates the King James version by about 50 years. It was the Bible used by Shakespeare, and relied heavily on translation by William Tyndale. It was the first mass-produced Bible available to the common public.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 11:08 AM (dFi94)

115 31 Adorable Slang Terms for Sex From the Last 600 Years - "Arrive at the end of the sentimental journey"

Is that, like, a "happy ending?"

G'morning to alla y'all adorable deplorable bitterly clinging smart military literate types.

I awoke this morning to find that my cell and the computer were both off by an hour. Weird. Glad I have the non-electronic clocks to keep track of God's Real Time. You know, where the sun is at its zenith at Noon.

♫ Does anybody really knoooow what timeitis?

Posted by: mindful webworker, hitchhiking at March 12, 2017 11:12 AM (/tG8l)

116 I read "In Fairleigh Field", a made for Masterpiece Theater WWll mystery, by Rhys Bowen this week. Very enjoyable tale of German spies, code breaking and treachery set in the early days of the war. I sense a beginning of a series.

I moved on from there to "Churchill's Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare: The Mavericks Who Plotted Hiltler's Defeat" by Giles Milton about England's sabotage efforts and the very skilled men and women who led the charge. I'm enjoying it immensely.

Currently listening to a mystery of another stripe altogether, "The Dry" by Jane Harper. An Australian federal policeman returns to his miserable drought stricken hometown for the funeral of a childhood friend and family. Things are getting dark and twisty as the "murder-suicide" may be related to an unsolved death 20 years ago. Great descriptions of the depressing drought conditions. The narrator brings the characters to life. Love his Australian accent.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 11:13 AM (jm1YL)

117 All Hail Eris, still chipping away at expanding the window in the wall so it becomes a true door to a finished story.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:13 AM (QB0rT)

118 110 ... Grammie, The Geneva Bible predates the KJV and, according to what I've read, was a major source for the KJV and was the more authoritative translation. (I don't know enough to judge that.) Also, I read that the motivation for creating the KJV was more political than religious.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 11:13 AM (V+03K)

119 Read four newbery medals. I've got about 45 to go, so about halfway done. I'd like to be caught up by the time kid graduates in three semesters. Then I'll just have the yearly winner to read. The older books are so much better and well written compared to the modern. Fave of the four was the witch of blackbird pond. From the 1950s written about life in CT in the late 1600s.

Posted by: NCKate at March 12, 2017 11:15 AM (fNMn+)

120 Belated comment regarding Page, AZ.

Half the year, AZ has the same time as CA. The other half (Standard Time) they differ. Either way, there is no reason the traveler should have been mistake by the clock in the motel.

Posted by: JAS at March 12, 2017 11:16 AM (Kresa)

121 Reasons to vote for a Democrat: You've had a psychotic break from reality. Bonus: free shit.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 12, 2017 11:17 AM (Tyii7)

122 I awoke this morning to find that my cell and the computer were both off by an hour. Weird. Glad I have the non-electronic clocks to keep track of God's Real Time. You know, where the sun is at its zenith at Noon.

Posted by: mindful webworker, hitchhiking at March 12, 2017 11:12 AM (/tG8l)

Your computer doesn't update the time itself? What, are you running Windows Me on a 386?

I have an old clam-shell Tracfone and I had to reboot it in order to get the time adjusted.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:19 AM (0K/XU)

123 Reasons to vote for a Democrat: You've had a psychotic break from reality. Bonus: free shit.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 12, 2017 11:17 AM (Tyii7)

It would appear the book is now at #1 on Amazon.

Moron purchase swarm??

Posted by: BurtTC at March 12, 2017 11:19 AM (Pz4pT)

124 Nice set-up bookaday. It looks like you have the University of California Press' "English Monarch" series (upper left corner). Mine sat on the shelf for years before I finally read them...turns out they're extremely well done!

Posted by: dwight at March 12, 2017 11:20 AM (iAl7a)

125 I awoke this morning to find that my cell and the computer were both off by an hour. Weird. Glad I have the non-electronic clocks to keep track of God's Real Time. You know, where the sun is at its zenith at Noon.

Posted by: mindful webworker, hitchhiking at March 12, 2017 11:12 AM (/tG8l)

Your computer doesn't update the time itself? What, are you running Windows Me on a 386?

I have an old clam-shell Tracfone and I had to reboot it in order to get the time adjusted.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:19 AM (0K/XU)

I am reminded of the marching band member on the football field at halftime. Everyone else turns one way, he turns the other.

After, he insists he was right and everyone else was wrong.

Nevertheless.....

Posted by: BurtTC at March 12, 2017 11:21 AM (Pz4pT)

126 "I'm almost done with Elizabeth Gaskell's Wives and Daughters, which is one of those good old Victorian novels where no much happens, but you know it'll have a relatively happy ending. It's a doorstopper of a book, though- over 600 pages- so make sure you have some time on your hands or a good bookmark if you start reading it."

Try her "North and South" about the clash of cultures and personalities between a genteel southern girl and a rough northern mill owner. Excellent character studies and wonderful story.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 11:22 AM (jm1YL)

127 I guess I should plug the book the Alexandria story is going to be a sequel to right?

http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/B014BTSEYO

All Hail Eris, does what I talk about make a bit more 'sense' and fits the story world better?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:22 AM (QB0rT)

128 That long period of relative peace in Syria Palestina was an era of important developments in Christianity and Judaism there. Also, there was no 100% expulsion of the Jews, except from Jerusalem (and I am not sure when Jews were allowed back into the city). In the Modiin area where I live, there have been excavations of dozens of small monastic centers, as well as synagogues from that era. My children's playhouse was an 1800-year-old small monastery with an olive press and a wine press. The remains of the chapel and olive press are about 30 meters from my house.

Posted by: Alifa at March 12, 2017 11:22 AM (G11MZ)

129 For those who are interested, Charles McCarry's best books IMO are The Miernik Dossier (1973, a rare example of an epistolary novel), The Last Supper (1983), Second Sight (1991), Shelley's Heart (1995), Lucky Bastard (199

, Old Boys (2004), The Shanghai Factor (2013) and The Mulberry Bush (2015).

The Tears of Autumn (1974) has a unique plot premise regarding the JFK assassination, but is not as well written as much of his other work. Shelley's Heart made National Review's 2010 list of "ten great conservative novels, all written by Americans since the founding of the conservative movement in the 1950s".

Posted by: cool breeze at March 12, 2017 11:23 AM (StZrq)

130 Also, I read that the motivation for creating the KJV was more political than religious.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 11:13 AM (V+03K)
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I did not know that - I'll have to read up. I rarely use the King James, except for memorization. For study I usually use the NIV or the New American Standard, which is very tightly translated. The ESV is good too. Sometimes when I just want to get a general modern-day feel for the passage, I'll read it in The Message, then dig deeper into the other ones.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 11:24 AM (dFi94)

131 Have a lovely day, all. I have about 10 hours left today to read and do food prep for the work week. Cheers!

Posted by: April at March 12, 2017 11:26 AM (e8PP1)

132 My children's playhouse was an 1800-year-old small
monastery with an olive press and a wine press. The remains of the
chapel and olive press are about 30 meters from my house.

Posted by: Alifa at March 12, 2017 11:22 AM (G11MZ)
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How cool is that. Jealous.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 11:26 AM (dFi94)

133 [iI am reminded of the marching band member on the football field at halftime. Everyone else turns one way, he turns the other.
After, he insists he was right and everyone else was wrong.
Nevertheless.....
Posted by: BurtTC at March 12, 2017 11:21 AM (Pz4pT)

My favorite joke along these lines is the husband whose wife comes home from shopping and he says to her 'Thank God you're safe, I heard on the radio there was car driving the wrong way on the freeway and it was very dangerous."

And the wife says, "You're telling me. But it just wasn't one car going the wrong way, it was a whole lot of cars."

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:28 AM (0K/XU)

134 Shelley' Heart, along with Advise and Consent, The Last Hurrah and All The King's Men is one of the great American politic novels.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 12, 2017 11:28 AM (18oN1)

135 Well here is a word that has fallen out of use, can you spot it in this book title?

The Women of Mormondom. 1877. Edward W. Tullidge
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/54335/54335-h/54335-h.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:29 AM (QB0rT)

136 Posted by: Alifa at March 12, 2017 11:22 AM (G11MZ)

My mother grew up in Rehovot, and I used to go there all of the time as a kid....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2017 11:29 AM (rF0hx)

137 I guess I should plug the book the Alexandria story is going to be a sequel to right?

http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/B014BTSEYO

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:22 AM (QB0rT)

"Digital media products such as Amazon MP3s, Amazon Instant Videos, and Kindle content can only be purchased on Amazon.com."

Sigh. Oh, well.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:31 AM (0K/XU)

138 I haven't read any of this series by Julie Kenner which seems to be sort of a Buffy grows up, moves to the suburbs, becomes a soccer mom, and fights demons in her spare time series. I thought some of the titles were funny.

Carpe Demon
California Demon
Demon Ex Machina
Demons Are Forever

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 11:32 AM (Nwg0u)

139 Well here is a word that has fallen out of use, can you spot it in this book title?
The Women of Mormondom. 1877. Edward W. Tullidge

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/54335/54335-h/54335-h.htm
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:29 AM (QB0rT)

Tullidge.

"Yeah a bunch of us hit the bar last night, everybody got, like, totally tullidged."

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:33 AM (0K/XU)

140 130 ... Grammie, Check out "God's Secretaries" by Adam Nicolson about those who created the KJV, how and why they were assembled by king and his advisors, and the processes they used. It's an interesting book and Nicolson is an excellent writer. However, it's British not religious history.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 11:34 AM (V+03K)

141 LOL @ Oregon Muse

Tullidged right out into the street.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:35 AM (QB0rT)

142 Greetings and salutations, O Book Thread!
Great library and library kitteh, bookaday. That cat will take no guff from anybody.

I recently returned from a terrific weeklong writing workshop. The writing part actually took six weeks, with the week being live feedback from anthology editors we'd been writing for. My plan was to learn how to write better short stories, but I ended up *selling* four of them. Not complaining, just...rather surprised, since I wrote out of my usual genres most of the time. One, a western, will be appearing in the first issue of the newly revived Pulphouse magazine in January 2018. The others, a contemporary fantasy (NO WEREWOLVES!), a WWII spy story, and a *koff* romantic suspense story will appear in various Fiction River anthologies and I don't know the release dates yet.

There was also lots of industry networking, getting the inside scoop from Kobo, and other plots and plans. If anyone is thinking of writing Westerns, for example (something I think will be a growth industry) the same people will be starting up an online workshop to learn how. And of course much silliness as only a bunch of deranged writers could come up with late at night. I may have invented the genre of postapocalyptic cosies, for example. I'm sorry.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at March 12, 2017 11:36 AM (mDjbp)

143 Just finished "Lost City of the Monkey God" which is blurbed as a tale of adventure and discovery in the darkest jungles of Honduras. Some of that, liberally sprinkled with the evil history of United Fruit, McDonalds being the ultimate cause of rain forest clear-cutting, and of course the spread of tropical disease by climate change. And even from that SJW perspective, the author acknowledges criticism within the book from even farther left SJWs, that the whole idea of excavating a "Lost City" is patriarchical neo-colonialist rapey-science.

Posted by: Motionview at March 12, 2017 11:37 AM (m4hrt)

144 Read a good one last week: "It's A Long Story(My Life)", by Willie Nelson.

What a lively mind and talk about a never-give-up character. Lots of great stories strung together somehow so that they make a crazy kind of sense.

Posted by: Mathers at March 12, 2017 11:39 AM (mDmux)

145 JTB - looks interesting. I'll check it out - thanks! The period leading up to the Reformation and the times that followed closely on its heels are really interesting.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 11:39 AM (dFi94)

146 This week, I read The Ticket, from new author Fred Shackleford. Highly recommended. It's about a dirtbag, philandering lawyer who is planning to divorce his wife when he finds he holds the winning Megamillions lottery ticket. And of course, he doesn't want her to get a dime.

He tucks the ticket into one of her rare first editions on the shelf. Unbeknownst to him, wifey was planning to leave the next day. For good. Dirtbag comes home late the next to a house devoid of furniture, books and no trace of the missus.

Shackleford won scads of awards for the book, which is reminiscent of A Simple Plan. Riveting, to say the least.

Just started The Nowhere Man, Greg Hurwitz's follow up to Orphan X. Action-packed and James Bondian.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 12, 2017 11:39 AM (joFoi)

147 Then Sabrina Chase cosies up to the bar with the rest of the Morons. Everyone got tullidged at the news she sold four short stories.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:40 AM (QB0rT)

148 Sort of O/T.

Grammie, Be sure to get a book or check online sources about those kettlebells. Admittedly, I am old and out of shape but I'm still a big guy with some strength. I treated a 20 pound kettlebell like a dumbbell and strained the heck out of my elbow. With kettlebells it is all technique to be effective and safe.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 11:41 AM (V+03K)

149 Re-read The Director's Cut: A Theda Bara Mystery by Christopher DiGrazia in the Horde group, really enjoy the mystery set in the production of a silent movie. Hope to see a sequel with these characters.

Listened to Odd Thomas (Odd Thomas #1) by Dean Koontz, starring as odd 20-year-old diner cook who really deserves his name Odd. Really well-written horror story, look forward to reading more of the series.

Posted by: waelse1 at March 12, 2017 11:42 AM (0m7SI)

150 good "spring forward" morning, beauties.

On break from church, and saw Goldilocks's post at 45:

>>>Just finished "Hillbilly Elegy".

Compliments, Goldilocks! You put it perfectly the cognitive dissonance within the author, because of his Yale experience.

the author visited campus shortly after the election, and I attended.

the small theater was packed, standing room only, with a 'lynch mob' note in the air, because of the book's association with 'the rust-belt' that had just elected PTrump.

after his remarks, there was q and a time, where accusations of racism, stupidity, and rejection of HC because she was female were made, and Vance did well refuting all of them, vouching for the tolerance and intelligence of the citizens of flyover country which is being called Appalachia now.

i asked a question about the rejection of globalism and socialist programs and Vance said he "hadn't looked at it that way, but that he might use that." weird.

Posted by: booknlass at March 12, 2017 11:43 AM (8mO0Q)

151 I treated a 20 pound kettlebell like a dumbbell and
strained the heck out of my elbow. With kettlebells it is all technique
to be effective and safe.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 11:41 AM (V+03K)
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Oh, I'll be careful. Me and pain don't get along too well. Even at 29, I know my limits.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 11:43 AM (dFi94)

152 "117 ..still chipping away at expanding the window in the wall so it becomes a true door to a finished story."

Keep chipping Anna. We're looking forward to the further adventures of your 2 intrepid heroines.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 11:43 AM (jm1YL)

153 All Hail Eris, does what I talk about make a bit more 'sense' and fits the story world better?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 11:22 AM (QB0rT)
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Yes.

Interesting that the Christian woman is more open to dream communication from old gods than the modern pagans who seek magickal dominion! Goodness prevails.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 11:44 AM (EnKk6)

154 The description above makes it sound like Shelley's Heart is mostly about a Presidential election being stolen by computer fraud. That is somewhat misleading.

It is mostly about an attempted coup d'etat by progressives and the Deep State, not unlike what is happening now. I highly recommended it.

Posted by: cool breeze at March 12, 2017 11:45 AM (StZrq)

155 #138

I had the first two of those on audio and didn't bother with the rest. The concept was good but the execution just wasn't interesting.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 12, 2017 11:45 AM (AK5Ni)

156 Read "Home" by Harlan Coben thanks to a suggestion by Eris. It was a good read and, personally, I find his Myron Bolitar books to be better than his other stuff. I think he writes the other books to pay the rent, but he writes the Bolitar books because he likes the characters.
BTW, I remain convinced that Win posts here on AoS regularly, but probably not the book thread.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 11:47 AM (gwPgz)

157 OT, but drone footage from the scene indicates that the psychotic, murderous Shia LaBouaeiouf is patrolling the flagpole area armed with a baseball bat hoping to catch those dang kids

https://twitter.com/polNewsNetwork1/status/840918778540113921

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:49 AM (0K/XU)

158 Listened to Odd Thomas (Odd Thomas #1) by Dean Koontz, starring as odd 20-year-old diner cook who really deserves his name Odd. Really well-written horror story, look forward to reading more of the series.
Posted by: waelse1 at March 12, 2017 11:42 AM (0m7SI)

The movie, available on Netflix, was pretty enjoyable. The late Anton Yelchin played Odd Thomas. It had the feel as a set up to an Odd Thomas series, but seeing as Yelchin is now deceased, that may not happen.

Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 11:50 AM (ANIFC)

159 142 ... Sabrina, Please let us know when and where your 4 short stories will appear. If they are half as good as those in "The Bureau of Substandards Annual Report", (which are a real hoot) they will be terrific.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 11:51 AM (V+03K)

160 Hey josephistan, how did your employee review go? Were they impressed with your pants?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:51 AM (0K/XU)

161 Anna Puma, you are one hep cat

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at March 12, 2017 11:51 AM (mDjbp)

162 BTW, I remain convinced that Win posts here on AoS regularly, but probably not the book thread.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 11:47 AM (gwPgz)
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No, he's the one noting that there are no swords in the bookcase.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 11:52 AM (EnKk6)

163 When the region was first taken by Mark Antony, the province was named Judea,

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I thought Pompey the Great conquered that area.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 11:52 AM (Nwg0u)

164 LaBouaeiouf is just *begging* to get owned again.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:52 AM (0K/XU)

165 160 Hey josephistan, how did your employee review go? Were they impressed with your pants?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:51 AM (0K/XU)

It was over in less than 10 minutes. I haven't been there long enough to warrant a full review (or get a bonus next week). But they want me to "participate in the process" more, whatever the hell that means.

Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 11:53 AM (ANIFC)

166 "Just started The Nowhere Man, Greg Hurwitz's follow up to Orphan X. Action-packed and James Bondian."

Good lord I love the fearless and very highly skilled Evan Smoak. I listened to the books and I have to say the narrator just nails Evan's character. I was feeling so let down that I have to wait for the next in the series I plunked down cash for the short story detailing Evan's first "Nowhere Man" retribution. I cannot wait for the next book.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 11:53 AM (jm1YL)

167 Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 11:50 AM (ANIFC)

Yelchin seems to have been in *everything* the last couple of years. There are probably several productions scrambling for solutions.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 12, 2017 11:53 AM (phT8I)

168 Speaking of the New Left, NFL player William Hayes declares that he believes in mermaids, but not in dinosaurs. Welcome to the Kyrie Irving Flat Earth Society, Mr. Hayes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 12, 2017 11:54 AM (Tyii7)

169 How about that haircut on the kid w/ brain
cancer? Hitlerarious!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 12, 2017 11:57 AM (bc2Lc)

170 The weather forecast in our area calls for somewhere between an annoying 4 inches of snow, Monday into Tuesday, or a truly PITA 18 inches. This means it could be nothing or a lot more, of course. I've already assembled a stack of suitable snow storm and post-shoveling books. It pays to be prepared.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 11:57 AM (V+03K)

171 OT, but drone footage from the scene indicates that the psychotic, murderous Shia LaBouaeiouf is patrolling the flagpole area armed with a baseball bat hoping to catch those dang kids
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:49 AM (0K/XU)

Haha, that is amazing. I'm torn between hoping someone takes him down with a tranquilizer dart and brings him to a nice quiet facility with soothing therapists and lovely grounds, or hoping that the internet trolls push him completely over the edge into entertaining bugnuts madness because the guy he didn't like got elected.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 11:58 AM (8nWyX)

172 164 LaBouaeiouf is just *begging* to get owned again.

Just sayin'.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:52 AM (0K/XU)

Never underestimate 4channers.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 11:59 AM (0mRoj)

173 It was over in less than 10 minutes. I haven't been there long enough to warrant a full review (or get a bonus next week). But they want me to "participate in the process" more, whatever the hell that means.

Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 11:53 AM (ANIFC)

I am *so* glad I'm retired and no longer have to put up with that corporate crap.

I felt so dirty, all that bowing and scraping and sucking up just to keep my job.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:59 AM (0K/XU)

174 I've been reading the new Hard Luck Hank this week, Robot Farts.

I've also been continuing my battle with the Latin language. I found that Tom Cotton (surely not The Tom Cotton) has translated a number of classics into Latin. I'll be reading Fundus Animalium (Animal Farm) first.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:01 PM (Nwg0u)

175 167 Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 11:50 AM (ANIFC)

Yelchin seems to have been in *everything* the last couple of years. There are probably several productions scrambling for solutions.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 12, 2017 11:53 AM (phT8I)

He was a good actor. Sucks that he died so young and in such a fashion as he did.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:01 PM (0mRoj)

176 Never underestimate 4channers.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 11:59 AM (0mRoj)

I know, right? And LaBoeuaeiouf just doesn't understand this.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 12:02 PM (0K/XU)

177 No, he's the one noting that there are no swords in the bookcase.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 11:52 AM (EnKk6)

I stand corrected!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 12:02 PM (gwPgz)

178 OT, but drone footage from the scene indicates that the psychotic, murderous Shia LaBouaeiouf is patrolling the flagpole area armed with a baseball bat hoping to catch those dang kids
https://twitter.com/polNewsNetwork1/status/840918778540113921
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:49 AM (0K/XU)

Hahaha...too funny! Isn't Shia LaDouche a little young to be a hollerin "Get off my lawn!"......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 12:02 PM (5VlCp)

179 "He was a good actor. Sucks that he died so young and in such a fashion as he did."

Freak accident. It really was awful.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 12:03 PM (jm1YL)

180 OT, but drone footage from the scene indicates that the psychotic, murderous Shia LaBouaeiouf is patrolling the flagpole area armed with a baseball bat hoping to catch those dang kids

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Shia-Head is metaphor for the difference between who Hollyweird celebrities think they are and who they actually are.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:04 PM (Nwg0u)

181 And LaBoeuaeiouf just doesn't understand this.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 12:02 PM (0K/XU)

You ignore the power of the clever masses with instant communication and access to unbelievable data sources at your peril!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 12:04 PM (gwPgz)

182 g'early afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 12, 2017 12:04 PM (KCxzN)

183 "I'll be reading Fundus Animalium (Animal Farm) first."

The Latin title sounds faintly pornographic.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 12:05 PM (jm1YL)

184 Haha, that is amazing. I'm torn between hoping someone takes him down with a tranquilizer dart and brings him to a nice quiet facility with soothing therapists and lovely grounds, or hoping that the internet trolls push him completely over the edge into entertaining bugnuts madness because the guy he didn't like got elected.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 11:58 AM (8nWyX)
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The creme of the jest would be to have him wake up in a creepily manicured assisted living facility a la The Prisoner and have 4Chan folks pose as his keepers.

We would of course broadcast his hilarious attempts at escape, chased by Rover.

And is it only me, or did the world of the Teletubbies remind anyone else of The Prisoner?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:06 PM (EnKk6)

185 Just finished "Lost City of the Monkey God" which is
blurbed as a tale of adventure and discovery in the darkest jungles of
Honduras. Some of that, liberally sprinkled with the evil history of
United Fruit, McDonalds being the ultimate cause of rain forest
clear-cutting, and of course the spread of tropical disease by climate
change. And even from that SJW perspective, the author acknowledges
criticism within the book from even farther left SJWs, that the whole
idea of excavating a "Lost City" is patriarchical neo-colonialist
rapey-science.

Posted by: Motionview at March 12, 2017 11:37 AM (m4hrt)

Jeebus. Thanks for the heads-up. I'm barely into the book (life stuff), and was already getting that vibe.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 12, 2017 12:07 PM (PY9jH)

186 geoffb5 #82: ...We have about 250 feet of bookshelf, some double deep, and still there are more than 60 boxes of books in the basement from the move 10 years ago that I'm too old/tired to deal with. And that's not to mention the records, cds, VHS tapes, laser-discs, dvds....

Don't have laser-discs, but do have just about every other medium including 8mm film, super8 vidtapes, tape drives, 3" and 5" floppies, 78rpm discs, and 8-tracks - and the move was over 20 years ago, but otherwise a description of our own "collection."

Along with tons of old family photos & documents, all waiting to be digitalized - in my spare time.

Of course, my desktop and laptop are both failing and so it may take a while... might be reduced to (gasp!) reading hardcopy again. Like, what're they called? Books?

Posted by: mindful webworker, 45rpm's too at March 12, 2017 12:10 PM (/tG8l)

187 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:06 PM (EnKk6)

It had even more of a nightmare/bad acid trip feel than The Prisoner.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:10 PM (0mRoj)

188 Speaking of lost civilizations, The Lost City of Z will be in theaters April 21st. Loved Gann's book.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:10 PM (EnKk6)

189 181 And LaBoeuaeiouf just doesn't understand this.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 12:02 PM (0K/XU)

You ignore the power of the clever masses with instant communication and access to unbelievable data sources at your peril!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 12:04 PM (gwPgz)

Just so. I can't wait to see what they do next. Steal the whole damn flagpole, maybe?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:11 PM (0mRoj)

190 And is it only me, or did the world of the Teletubbies remind anyone else of The Prisoner?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:06 PM

It's not just you, Eris. I always got a 1984 vibe from that show

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 12, 2017 12:12 PM (KCxzN)

191 Sabrina, Was this a workshop anyone might go to? Members of specific organizations? By invitation only?

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at March 12, 2017 12:13 PM (Kr0FZ)

192 The creme of the jest would be to have him wake up in a creepily manicured assisted living facility a la The Prisoner and have 4Chan folks pose as his keepers.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:06 PM (EnKk6)

Brilliant! Put it on PPV, I'd buy a season pass.

Or, option 4, he chases imaginary people in frog t-shirts around the property at night with a baseball bat and is eaten by feral hogs.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 12:13 PM (8nWyX)

193 Or maybe some kind of post-apocalypse deal. No human beings around, barren landscape, weird little mutant creatures living mostly in an underground bunker and eating nothing but some kind of nutrient paste. Of course there's that baby head in the sky, which doesn't really fit.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:13 PM (0mRoj)

194 Mindfreak from Drudge. Magician Chris Angel rushed to the hospital after trick goes horribly awry. He's apparently OK.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:14 PM (Nwg0u)

195 Darn it to heck. I tried to adjust the time on my wristwatch and I broke off the stem. Darn it to heck.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 12:15 PM (dFi94)

196 OT BREAKING: sorry Oprah and Shillary, you'll need to step aside because Andrew Cuomo wants to be president...
https://goo.gl/Th196X zuckerberg hardest hit

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at March 12, 2017 12:15 PM (TixTl)

197 190 And is it only me, or did the world of the Teletubbies remind anyone else of The Prisoner?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:06 PM

It's not just you, Eris. I always got a 1984 vibe from that show
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 12, 2017 12:12 PM (KCxzN)

I used to get off a mid, overcaffeinated and woozy from lack of sleep, and trip out to Teletubbies.

Much nicer to come down with the mellow stylings of Oswald the Octopus.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:16 PM (EnKk6)

198 Andrew Cuomo wants to be president

Should do really well here in the South.

Posted by: weirdflunky at March 12, 2017 12:16 PM (P5NZX)

199
Sorry, Muse, but I think you're quite mistaken panning Sharyl Attkisson. She is NOT like other journalists. She has put herself on the line, had her computer hacked by the Obama administration (punishment for her tireless digging into Operation Fast and Furious and the other ATF gunrunning scandals and her fearless efforts to make it all public), and lost her cushy job at CBS for refusing to back down. She is one of the brave ones, who now makes her living as an independent investigative journalist -- see her website.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at March 12, 2017 12:17 PM (6gybV)

200 Mindfreak from Drudge. Magician Chris Angel rushed to the hospital after trick goes horribly awry. He's apparently OK.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:14 PM (Nwg0u)
A hospital? What is it?

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 12, 2017 12:18 PM (JO9+V)

201 The KJV Bible is much more remarkable than many people today realize. The Geneva Bible was older, but it contained many annotations containing commentary, as was the style of older, medieval manuscripts. These commentaries caused a great deal of political strife, so the KJV was brought about to be a pure translation of the ancient texts, with no commentary added. All factions in England at the time were invited to take part in the translation, and required to agree with each other until the final translation of the original Hebrew and Greek was accepted.

Out of this grew an amazingly poetic work, which along with Shakespeare's works deserves credit for establishing the model for the modern English language.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2017 12:18 PM (V2Yro)

202 OregonMuse #122: Your computer doesn't update the time itself?

* long sigh *

Guess my (pre-caffeinated) attempt at humor was too subtle.

The joke (explained--zzzz) was that the computer & cell DID update for DST. Hence: "off" by my daylight-saving-luddite thinking.

Posted by: mindful webworker, 45rpm's too at March 12, 2017 12:19 PM (/tG8l)

203 A hospital? What is it?
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 12, 2017 12:18 PM (JO9+V)

It's a big building where generals...

wait, I had something for this.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 12:19 PM (8nWyX)

204 A hospital? What is it?
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 12, 2017 12:18 PM

It's a large building with doctors & patients.

But that's not important now

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 12, 2017 12:19 PM (KCxzN)

205 For those re-reading "The Stand", do you prefer the original, heavily-edited edition or the later, longer edition?

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (THS4q)

206 Or, option 4, he chases imaginary people in frog t-shirts around the property at night with a baseball bat and is eaten by feral hogs.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 12:13 PM (8nWyX)
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Radioactive feral hogs.

Yes. *temples fingers*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (EnKk6)

207 It's a big building with doctors and patients, but that's not important right now.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (kTF2Z)

208 "A hospital? What is it?"

It's a big building with a lot of sick people in it, but we don't have time for that now.

Posted by: Leslie Nielson at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (V2Yro)

209
Thanks for tipping us off to Richard Lowry. I just downloaded his book.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (6gybV)

210 Thanks for warning me off that Loser Book of the Monkey Spanker.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 12, 2017 12:21 PM (6FqZa)

211 shave and a haircut....

Posted by: Leslie Nielson at March 12, 2017 12:21 PM (V2Yro)

212 Darn it to heck. I tried to adjust the time on my wristwatch and I broke off the stem. Darn it to heck.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 12:15 PM (dFi94)

Awww

But... how did you manage that? Are you sure you need to be doing kettlebell exercises with those monstrous gorilla arms?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 12:21 PM (8nWyX)

213 196
OT BREAKING: sorry Oprah and Shillary, you'll need to step aside because Andrew Cuomo wants to be president...

https://goo.gl/Th196X zuckerberg hardest hit

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at March 12, 2017 12:15 PM (TixTl)

it's his turn

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 12, 2017 12:22 PM (0O7c5)

214 A hospital? What is it?

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http://tinyurl.com/godoc9d

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:23 PM (Nwg0u)

215 Just as I didn't want our first female president to be Hillary, neither do I want our first Italian-American president to be a Cuomo.

Hey...two birds/one stone?

*points to self*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:25 PM (EnKk6)

216 Eris '24

has a nice ring to it

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 12, 2017 12:26 PM (KCxzN)

217 so the KJV was brought about to be a pure translation of the ancient texts
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It's beautiful lyrically, but it isn't translated as closely as later versions. For instance, in Proverbs 30:31, a greyhound is mentioned. All subsequent versions translate the word as "rooster" or "strutting cock".

I like the King James for memorization, because it's the version I grew up with in Sunday School, and the verses come back to my mind in that fashion. But scholastically, there are better Hebrew-to-English and Greeek-to-English translations out there. So I use those for study.

Of course, if your kids are in AWANA, they are going to get the King James. I think the AWANA people would have a coronary if someone suggested they change.

I have a Gideon Bible around here somewhere. I don't know if they are placing KJV or NIV now. I think NIV. Not certain.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 12:27 PM (dFi94)

218 Last week I was reading Two Centuries of Silence by Abdolhossain Zarinkoob. This is a 1950s book in Farsi about the Arabs' invasion and, then, near-destruction of Iran. Avid Kamgar did the English translation last year and somehow couldn't find a real publisher for it, so went via AuthorHouse.

First thought: If someone tried publishing a book like this in Iran today, he could expect to get killed.

Second thought: how come no real publisher wanted to touch Kamgar's work? An editor would have been nice. And I like to think people would have wanted to read it.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 12, 2017 12:27 PM (6FqZa)

219 OT BREAKING: sorry Oprah and Shillary,

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In Latin, the word for an old woman is "anus". It's like 2000 years ago, they knew Hillary.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:28 PM (Nwg0u)

220 But... how did you manage that? Are you sure you need to be doing kettlebell exercises with those monstrous gorilla arms?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 12:21 PM (8nWyX)
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I couldn't get it because of my nails, so I tried a butter knife. Wrong choice.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 12:28 PM (dFi94)

221 205 For those re-reading "The Stand", do you prefer the original, heavily-edited edition or the later, longer edition?
Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (THS4q)

Longer version. There is no comparison IMHO.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 12, 2017 12:29 PM (2qHjF)

222 Collecting WWI Q-Tips!
The practice and Science of Earhole Cleaning and Hygiene has a long and storied history- -Naturalfake

There is no joking around here. Sure you know, there was only one head of Selective Service from 1940 through the "not draftin' era." And that was Gen Lewis Hershey, who stated that the real purpose of the draft was to get "young fellows to brush their teeth and clean their ears."

Yeah so I went off to uncover the Johnson et Johnson lobbying plot, and found that Leo Gerstenzang Infant Novelty Co (obvious German front group?) developed the pre-made cotton swab in 1923, and called them Baby-Gays. Kind of messes up the WWI time line, but, curioser and curioser...

J et J unloaeded that "mature product line" some years ago, and they are now spun up by those communist/fascist/drug user Dutchmen at Unilever. When there's a takeover plot, always look for a Dutchman.

FWIW, whenever you look up Q-Tips the first line is never to put one in your ear. Probably applies to the Q-ships, too.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 12, 2017 12:29 PM (H5rtT)

223 191 Wenda (sic) Was this a workshop anyone might go to? Members of specific organizations? By invitation only?

This was the Oregon Coast Anthology workshop held in Lincoln City, OR. The organizers/ringleaders are Dean Wesley Smith and Kristine Kathryn Rusch, who do a *lot* of writer's classes on a variety of subjects. As for elegibility... *flaps hands* it's complicated. Basically Kris and Dean need to be convinced you are a serious writer--not famous, not even necessarily selling a lot--but determined to improve and willing to listen. You query and ask. The full list of workshops, live and online, is at www.deanwesleysmith.com

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at March 12, 2017 12:30 PM (mDjbp)

224 205
For those re-reading "The Stand", do you prefer the original, heavily-edited edition or the later, longer edition?

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (THS4q)

Not much difference that I can see.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 12, 2017 12:30 PM (mpXpK)

225 All subsequent versions translate the word as "rooster" or "strutting cock".

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But enough about Shia LeBeouf.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:30 PM (Nwg0u)

226 Sure, it's my fault. Not the 800 ft/lbs of torque you applied with those gorilla arms.

Posted by: Butter Knife at March 12, 2017 12:30 PM (kTF2Z)

227 Sure, it's my fault.

Posted by: Butter Knife at March 12, 2017 12:30 PM (kTF2Z)
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I'm glad to see you're owning up to your faults. The first step in fixing a problem is to admit you have a problem.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 12:33 PM (dFi94)

228 Andrew Cuomo wants to be president
Should do really well here in the South.
Posted by: weirdflunky at March 12, 2017 12:16 PM (P5NZX)

Who?......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 12:34 PM (5VlCp)

229 206 Or, option 4, he chases imaginary people in frog t-shirts around the property at night with a baseball bat and is eaten by feral hogs.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 12:13 PM (8nWyX)
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Radioactive feral hogs.

Yes. *temples fingers*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 12:20 PM (EnKk6)

With frikkin' laser beams on their heads!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:34 PM (0mRoj)

230 If your're still around Skip, it's not F1 but Indy Car race is on ABC. First race of year.

Posted by: weirdflunky at March 12, 2017 12:34 PM (P5NZX)

231 Downloaded the Lowry novel and one of his non-fiction books. Hope the horde advertising gets him a flood of business. Haven't read much this last week. I had downloaded "the Stars came back" I won't end up reading it because I just don't do reading scripts. I had thought the kindle book was just a visually written novel like S. King writes. Best of luck to him and the group looking to make the movie and I'll consider myself to have contributed a wee bit to that effort. Been dabbling in the Forbidden Thoughts anthology that Milo put together. Some stories there are very good and thought provoking, some are overly heavy handed describing the SWJ dystopian future.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 12, 2017 12:35 PM (Jen0I)

232 I'll cut you!

Well, I'll leave a slight indentation on your finger!

Maybe a bit of a scratch.

FML

Posted by: Butter Knife at March 12, 2017 12:36 PM (kTF2Z)

233 Jesus, OM, how on earth did you get "intrepid band of truth-seekers" from "Stonewalled", when the entire book is about how she was--hey, it's in the title!--stonewalled from doing investigative reporting about the Obama administration, while being hailed for doing it about the Bush administration? (To the point where she gave up what we all know is a pretty damn cushy career in the state run media?)

The premise of the whole thing seems to be that SHE THOUGHT they were an IBOTS, right up until she started reporting truths that they didn't want to hear. It's almost touchingly naive that she went in thinking that, but she got disabused of it pretty fast under BHO.

Intriguingly, she's mentioned something on Twitter about coming from an apolitical household, to the point where, in a newsroom, when colleagues would just assume conservatives are evil, she'd ask "Are they? Why are they?"

Posted by: moviegique at March 12, 2017 12:36 PM (CcUfv)

234 News Item:

Construction Workers Unearth Dozens of Centuries-Old Coffins in Philadelphia

Philadelphia voter registration numbers rise 'unexpectedly' in aftermath.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 12:37 PM (ZFUt7)

235 Literacy?! We don't need no stinking literacy!

New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.

http://tinyurl.com/gu8lha9

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 12:40 PM (Nwg0u)

236 @174 Annosuarus, I'll be interested in your comments on the Latin "classics." Way back, one Henricus Barbatus (Henry Beard, from the Lampoon) put out several books of modern cute stuff in Latin. Kid and I had some fun with them, but frankly the Latin was horrible. Wordy, over-literal, none of the concision that's the soul of wit in classical writing. Obviously, a smart-ass Catholic schoolboy. Did I mention he was on the Lampoon?

To me, Ovid is often like working a puzzle, because of his "elegance." But that's because I'm a dummy, permanently stuck at the level of Sallust and Cicero. I've had to just accept that about myself.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 12, 2017 12:40 PM (H5rtT)

237 234 News Item:

Construction Workers Unearth Dozens of Centuries-Old Coffins in Philadelphia

Philadelphia voter registration numbers rise 'unexpectedly' in aftermath.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 12:37 PM (ZFUt7)

When Democrat voter rolls run low, the dead shall walk the earth!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:40 PM (0mRoj)

238 This Shia LeBeef flag thing reminds me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon where Yosemite Sam or Elmer Fudd is trying to outwit that rascally rabbit!

Posted by: josephistan at March 12, 2017 12:41 PM (ANIFC)

239 The documentary, The Red Pill, was released onto DVD/BluRay and On demand this past week on 3/7/17. This documentary is about a feminist challenging herself to investigate and learn about issues men and boys face today. It's a 9.2 rating on IMDB. Feminists have been shutting down screening the past few months.

I rented it and watched it with my family. My mom and sisters were crying their eyes out last night. It's very good. I highly recommend supporting this documentary/film. Best 4 bucks I've ever spent. I'm ordering the BluRay when I get a chance.

Praying Ace or Warden writes up a post about this documentary.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 12, 2017 12:43 PM (2qHjF)

240 227 Sure, it's my fault.

Posted by: Butter Knife at March 12, 2017 12:30 PM (kTF2Z)
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I'm glad to see you're owning up to your faults. The first step in fixing a problem is to admit you have a problem.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 12:33 PM (dFi94)

Watch out... he's going to start self identifying as a Bowie Knife....

Posted by: The Fork at March 12, 2017 12:44 PM (NgKpN)

241 New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.

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[ ] Let's train the teachers better so they can pass the test.

[X] Let's eliminate the test.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 12:45 PM (kTF2Z)

242 Apparently they are buillding condos or apts. over where the graves are/were. That's like Poltergeist creepy shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 12, 2017 12:46 PM (89T5c)

243 Here is the 8 minute sneak preview for The Red Pill.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HK7n_XA40V8

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 12, 2017 12:47 PM (2qHjF)

244 Well I gotta scoot. Work and all that. Have fun.

All Hail Eris, the LaPoof as Prisoner Zed... you should write it as a comedy script for Amazon Studios. You might win some moolah and it be made into a real series.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 12, 2017 12:49 PM (QB0rT)

245 I felt so dirty, all that bowing and scraping and sucking up just to keep my job.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:59 AM (0K/XU)

Amen. Especially at my age. Also the sheer stupidity.

Posted by: Caliban at March 12, 2017 12:49 PM (3GFMN)

246 @242 A major mainline denomination abandoned the site in the 1860's, and dutifully filed that papers that they'd removed every body from the graveyard. I'm a little put off because I'm from a family of equipment operators, and that backhoe man had a hell of a bad day over this.

Dad's 94, been retired more or less 25 years, and he still digs jobs, in fine detail, in his dreams all night every night.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 12, 2017 12:50 PM (H5rtT)

247 "All Hail Eris, the LaPoof as Prisoner Zed... you should write it as a comedy script for Amazon Studios. You might win some moolah and it be made into a real series."

OMG. That would be funny.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 12:51 PM (jm1YL)

248 Good lord I love the fearless and very highly skilled Evan Smoak. I listened to the books and I have to say the narrator just nails Evan's character. I was feeling so let down that I have to wait for the next in the series I plunked down cash for the short story detailing Evan's first "Nowhere Man" retribution. I cannot wait for the next book.
Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 11:53 AM (jm1YL)

I got Orphan X on the recommendation of a librarian and wasn't disappointed. I often picture Daniel Craig as Smoak from the description by Hurwitz. Reading the author blurb on Nowhere Man, I was surprised to see nothing about Orphan being made into a movie.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 12, 2017 12:52 PM (joFoi)

249 Way OT, but I don't care. I would like to point out to all and sundry that Iowa State University won the Big 12 men's basketball tourney last night. Kansas and West "By God" Virginia get bent and then ESAD. GO CYCLONES!

Posted by: Assassin6 at March 12, 2017 12:53 PM (GBYzV)

250 dancing the Paphian jig

If you are going paph-paph-paph you are probably doing it backwards.

(someone had to say it, right?)

Posted by: Kindltot at March 12, 2017 12:53 PM (WQX/u)

251 Apparently they are buillding condos or apts. over where the graves are/were. That's like Poltergeist creepy shit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 12, 2017 12:46 PM (89T5c)

Hope somebody got down there and moved Billy Batts....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 12:54 PM (5VlCp)

252 245 I felt so dirty, all that bowing and scraping and sucking up just to keep my job.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:59 AM (0K/XU)

Amen. Especially at my age. Also the sheer stupidity.
Posted by: Caliban at March 12, 2017 12:49 PM (3GFMN)

Heh. Add in management by a large number of tards in suits and it's just heaven on earth ain't it?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:55 PM (IK6dA)

253 250 dancing the Paphian jig

If you are going paph-paph-paph you are probably doing it backwards.

(someone had to say it, right?)
Posted by: Kindltot at March 12, 2017 12:53 PM (WQX/u)

Sometimes you need to mix things up a bit for variety's sake.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:56 PM (IK6dA)

254 105 Recently learned that Family Christian Stores is going out of business and closing all its stores. I picked up a copy of the NIV Cultural Bible on discount. Haven't had a chance to read any of it yet but glancing through it looks helpful. Given my vast knowledge of the Bible (unbelievable level of understatement) more context and background can really help.

I've gone through several versions of the Bible now and, unless I need the Catholic edition specifically, prefer the Geneva version for clarity. This opinion is ALWAYS subject to change.

I stumbled across Accordance while in seminary, then the only option for Macs, and still find it endlessly useful for exactly the things you are looking for; it is easy-peasy to set up cross-referencing windows with anything from commentaries to atlases to Greek/Hebrew to word studies, background, etc. that scrolls along with whatever text you choose. Over the years I have built on the collection, which now has 70 translations of the Bible, including foreign language, the LXX, and original languages. https://www.accordancebible.com

Posted by: John the Baptist at March 12, 2017 12:58 PM (MPH+3)

255 Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 12:45 PM (kTF2Z)

Now you're getting how we run BigEd!

Posted by: Hrothgar, Nartional Organization of Teachers (NOT) Organizer at March 12, 2017 12:59 PM (gwPgz)

256 My last performance review went very well. In fact, my boss was so pleased he gave me a 10% raise with only six months on the job. Then six months later, parent company eliminated my position.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 12:59 PM (kTF2Z)

257
New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.
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Obviously a culturally biased test.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 12, 2017 12:59 PM (IqV8l)

258 Sabrina, Thank you. It's odd that you mention the two of them--I've been trying to puzzle out my next step and I had decided they would be the most help. But they do so much stuff, it's hard to figure out the best for my needs. Would they be open to me writing and asking? By they I guess I mean Dean--he seems to handle most of that part of their business(es).

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at March 12, 2017 12:59 PM (Kr0FZ)

259 256 My last performance review went very well. In fact, my boss was so pleased he gave me a 10% raise with only six months on the job. Then six months later, parent company eliminated my position.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 12:59 PM (kTF2Z)

I can't even...

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 01:00 PM (0mRoj)

260 "Paphian" is a word you just don't see that much anymore. I had to look it up, and I used to be literate. Paphos is where Venus emerged full-blown from the head of Zeus, in an open clamshell if you buy that image. So, it's having-to-do with what Venus was goddess of, in all its more naked and clamshellish aspects. Where the hell the Jig came from is anybody's guess. Sailors?

"Making the beast of two backs" was really rich, but not on the list because, I figure, 1600 isn't "all that old."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 12, 2017 01:01 PM (H5rtT)

261 Does anybody really know what time its?

Posted by: Chicago at March 12, 2017 01:02 PM (ZO497)

262 Re the Men's Rights Association film done by the feminist, was it Dennis Prager this past week who pronounced the feminism is based solely on abortion, specifically, pro-aborts? I think he's on to something.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 12, 2017 01:03 PM (joFoi)

263 "I got Orphan X on the recommendation of a librarian and wasn't disappointed. I often picture Daniel Craig as Smoak from the description by Hurwitz. Reading the author blurb on Nowhere Man, I was surprised to see nothing about Orphan being made into a movie."

I think I read somewhere it had been optioned by some actor..Matt Damon maybe? DiCaprio? Once of those obnoxious ones I think. If so, bummer! Both of them are way too old for the character.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 01:03 PM (jm1YL)

264 Heh. Add in management by a large number of tards in suits and it's just heaven on earth ain't it?
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:55 PM (IK6dA)

"Another day in paradise" is a favorite saying--but I'm sure you already know that.

Posted by: Caliban at March 12, 2017 01:03 PM (3GFMN)

265 "Making the beast of two backs" was really rich, but not on the list because, I figure, 1600 isn't "all that old."
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 12, 2017 01:01 PM (H5rtT)

I'm still smirking over "his bulbous salutation" from the bad sex scene book award winners.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 12, 2017 01:05 PM (joFoi)

266 Does anybody really know what time its?
Posted by: Chicago at March 12, 2017 01:02 PM (ZO497)

25 or 6 to 4

Absolutely not a song about tripping. Nope.

Posted by: weirdflunky at March 12, 2017 01:06 PM (P5NZX)

267 Almost finished 'Flying Under Fire, Canadian Fliers Recall The Second World War', Wheeler.

A very good read. It's amazing how casually these people can recall missions that could each merit an entire book. Stern stuff, that generation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 12, 2017 01:06 PM (ZO497)

268 Both of them are way too old for the character.
Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 01:03 PM (jm1YL)

I find both of them too politically repulsive.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at March 12, 2017 01:07 PM (joFoi)

269 What's up, reading 'rons and 'ettes? Sorry to be absent for a while, as noted a while back by OregonMuse.

Anybody read Seven Gothic Tales by Isak Dinesen? Remember how people said that the tales of Hans Christian Andersen were cleaned up a lot for general/kiddy consumption? Well these are pretty damn weird with lots of gender shifting and stories within stories that make the reader wonder just WTF is going on throughout; although they're written really really well to justify the strangeness. One of the most straight ahead stories is "The Supper at Elsinore" about two elderly spinsters sharing a meal with their long lost pirate dead brother's ghost. One of my book group's better selections not chosen by me.

Here's what else I'm reading:
The Commodore - Patrick O'Brian
Elizabeth: The Forgotten Years - John Guy
Godel, Escher, Bach - Douglas Hofstadter
Critics, Monsters, Fanatics & other Literary Essays - Cynthia Ozick

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 12, 2017 01:07 PM (y7DUB)

270 Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 01:03 PM (jm1YL)

I really need to start using the resources of my local library more, but the last time I did, I lost a book which I'm still looking for. In the meantime, my number of allowable renewals is approaching zero.

I keep swearing I'll stop buying books, then I read the book thread and ...

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 01:07 PM (gwPgz)

271 Vic, only about 300 pages, including filling in some gaps in what happens to Trashcan Man and a really creepy scene in the Eisenhower Tunnel.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at March 12, 2017 01:08 PM (THS4q)

272 "New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it."

To be honest, daycare workers don't really need to be very literate. Just as long as they can pick up all the crayons at the end of the day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2017 01:08 PM (V2Yro)

273 There is no "bad sex". Some sex just tastes better than others.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2017 01:09 PM (vRcUp)

274 Posting before reading comments --

Took the first step toward my goal of thinning the TBR list by completing "What's So Funny?", the autobiography by Tim Conway. Fun read. I remember seeing the "Carol Burnett Show" actors trying to stifle their laughs; not very professional, thought I. Turns out that Conway was trying to "break" the others, particularly Harvey Korman. Now when I watch the show segments on MeTV, I look for instances of Conway's improvising.

Nearly done with an "Astro City" (comics) trade collection I've had about two years. Still have one more TC to go, then I'll be caught up with that series. AC is about super-powered beings and the normals in their world. Stories usually told from viewpoint of the normals -- such as the chief doorman of the city's classiest hotel (my favorite story).

Looking at the stack(s) to determine what to tackle next. Maybe a Nero Wolfe story or a SF tale. I have scores of books to read, some purchased decades ago. The only way I've made it this far is by eschewing the public library's offerings -- and brother does that take willpower.

Time to start in on the comments. Maybe I'll have some time left to read afterward.

Posted by: Weak Geek at March 12, 2017 01:10 PM (83Ufd)

275 264 Heh. Add in management by a large number of tards in suits and it's just heaven on earth ain't it?
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 12:55 PM (IK6dA)

"Another day in paradise" is a favorite saying--but I'm sure you already know that.
Posted by: Caliban at March 12, 2017 01:03 PM (3GFMN)

Yup. "Living the dream" was another we used.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 12, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)

276 "I find both of them too politically repulsive."

Bingo. I'll never pay a cent to watch anything they are in.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 01:10 PM (jm1YL)

277 There is no "bad sex". Some sex just tastes better than others.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2017 01:09 PM (vRcUp)

Ewwwwww.

Posted by: Straight chicks everywhere at March 12, 2017 01:13 PM (joFoi)

278 My last performance review went very well. In fact, my boss was so pleased he gave me a 10% raise with only six months on the job. Then six months later, parent company eliminated my position.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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A company I worked for awarded an annual 'Best Employee' recognition.

I voted for a young guy who had taken care of occasional assignments by me. He had always been prompt, co-operative, and had produced quality, thoughtful work.

A week later he was let go. WTF? I mean the structure was shot through with half-ass, indifferent, sloppy workers, but this guy was cut.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 12, 2017 01:13 PM (ZO497)

279 OM, Thanks for those links in the post. The slang terms for sex is interesting and funny. The 'rare' manuscript is neat for the historical aspects and as an example of the motivation for such explorations. Also, I am always surprised at the quality of the penmanship and hand drawn illustrations such journals have. I'm a bit envious. My handwriting is easily read but not fancy or artistic.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 01:13 PM (V+03K)

280 115,

Posted by: mindful webworker, hitchhiking at March 12, 2017 11:12 AM (/tG8l)

And now you know just how easy it is to be misunderstood on the intertubes.

Posted by: geoffb5 at March 12, 2017 01:13 PM (d3wbb)

281 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 12, 2017 01:06 PM (ZO497)

Not exactly bookish, but we've lost so many of the WWII cohort, it's worth a tribute now and again. I thought this one was worth posting here for the Aussies:

https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2017/03/fullbore-friday_3.html

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 01:16 PM (gwPgz)

282
I keep swearing I'll stop buying books, then I read the book thread and ...
Posted by: Hrothgar
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Dammit. Last week I got pimped into ordering 'Gallows Thief'. So weak...I'm so weak.

It's like waving a treat in front of dog.

Curse you, Book Thread.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 12, 2017 01:16 PM (ZO497)

283 Wow. I had no idea I disliked John Mayer so much. Well, to be honest I suspected it. . .

Waiting on the World to Change

Me and all my friends we're all misunderstood, they say we stand for nothing and there's no way we ever could.

(Well, frankly the title of the song supports the charge doesn't it?)

Now we see everything that's going wrong with the world and those who lead it. Just feel like we don't have the means to rise above and beat it.

(So, Captian Obvious the world's not perfect tell me more about your feelings . . . inadequacy)

So we keep waiting (waiting) waiting on the world to change . . .

Its hard to beat the system when your standing at a distance.

(There are two significant problems here. One you could move closer, no? Two, is the problem the system or the world, or isn't it really just you?
You aren't at a distance to yourself are you? You aren't rigged are you? Whyncha do something about yourself... Get of drugs perhaps.)

More waiting and waiting on the world to change.

If we had the power to bring our neighbors home from war they would a never missed a Christmas - no more ribbons on their door.

(Hmm, interesting that your neighbors are fighting these wars not you. Seems like they committed themselves personally to a cause bigger than their own angst. You aren't a teenager anymore John. Grow up. )

When you trust your television what you get is what you got. (Right - no matter where you go, there you are. Thanks for the tip.)

Cause when they own the information ooooh they can bend it all they want. (They can bend the narrative. The information is out there, you do have to go looking for it. It does take a lil' effort.)

More waiting(waiting) on the world to change.

Its not that we don't care, we just know that the fights not fair, so we keep waiting . . .
(Wow. D-day mean anything to you at all?)

More waiting (ad nauseum)

One day our generation is going to rule the population, so we keep waiting . . .

(Yeah, so he gives the game away at the end doesn't he. The game plan: don't do anything, wait for the elders to die, and then what? Inherit. While you have been WAITING what have you developed in yourselves - other than a sense of entitlement, thwarted by an unfair system. Wow. I have less respect for this garbage song than I do for Lennon's Imagine.)

Posted by: simplemind at March 12, 2017 01:17 PM (ZuGkg)

284 Yup. "Living the dream" was another we used.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor

Talking Heads ♪ 'How did I get here?' ♪
from the tune 'Once in a Lifetime' seemed to me the ultimate work song.

♪ And you may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?" ♪

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 12, 2017 01:17 PM (ZFUt7)

285 While I was working, we figured the best way to get back at management was to keep the pension checks coming for a long, long time. I've been working at it for fourteen years now. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.

Posted by: Zoltan at March 12, 2017 01:19 PM (ApkN7)

286 Finishing "Stumbling Colossus" by Glantz, about the Soviet military at the time of the German attack. Dragging myself through it, pretty much - it's written more like a govt. report than readable history, for the most part.

The only surprise, apart from how thoroughly and comprehensively unprepared the Soviet forces were in June '41, is that the Germans did not in fact take Moscow and win the war. I am hoping subsequent reading will fill in details into how the Soviets held on by their fingernails (apart from sheer size and resource questions, and Field Marshall Winter, though those may be 90% of the explanation right there).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 01:20 PM (QDnY+)

287 While I was working, we figured the best way to get back at management was to keep the pension checks coming...
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What is this 'pension check' of which you speak?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 12, 2017 01:21 PM (ZO497)

288 Reading: The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, mentioned above-thread as author of Court of the Red Czar.

Reasons to be skeptical of the 1751 page:
1) The ink on the last line is noticeably darker.
2) In 1751, it is highly unlikely that a knowledgable author would refer to Germany (a hodgepodge collection of small kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, and free cities under the "Holy Roman Emperor" and squabbled over by Prussia and Austria.
3) The same knowledgable author would probably include Poland in the list, although there is some occluded text on the right of the photo that might be the start of the word "Poland".
4) A subject of Great Britain, formed by the Act of Union between England and Scotland in 1707, would probably not list Scotland as a separate kingdom in the same list as Great Britain.

So, I am skeptical of the authenticity of the document, and even if it is authentic, the text feels like the copybook of a not-particularly bright midshipman who got a number of things wrong, potentially including a present-day (circa 1751) reference to Israel and Judea.

Posted by: Grouchy Dino at March 12, 2017 01:26 PM (dEnig)

289 217 .......Of course, if your kids are in AWANA, they are going to get the King James. I think the AWANA people would have a coronary if someone suggested they change.

It has to do with copyrights & fees, same reason the Gideon's ministry uses the KJV (or NKJV) exclusively. NIV is the most popular translation these days but has a hefty reprint fee attached to it.

Posted by: John the Baptist at March 12, 2017 01:27 PM (MPH+3)

290 As I recall, "The Wit and Wisdom of Spiro T. Agnew" also contained nothing but blank pages.

Every 45 years that joke gets recycled.

Posted by: JAS at March 12, 2017 01:33 PM (Kresa)

291 I mentioned last week that I had to stop reading the Iliad for a while. The behavior of the various gods and Agamemnon reminded me too much of the Dems and other SJW types, leaving me pissed off. Got past that finally and began again. This is the Fagles translation (this time). I find I enjoy it more if I 'hear' the words while reading, as if I'm reciting them to an audience. It helps I'm not in any hurry to finish it.

Posted by: JTB at March 12, 2017 01:33 PM (V+03K)

292 It has to do with copyrights fees, same reason
the Gideon's ministry uses the KJV (or NKJV) exclusively. NIV is the
most popular translation these days but has a hefty reprint fee attached
to it.

Posted by: John the Baptist at March 12, 2017 01:27 PM (MPH+3)
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That's right. The King James is public domain. I forgot about that.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 01:36 PM (dFi94)

293 I think the author of Hillbilly Elegy was a bit relieved when his grandmother died. His mom is embarrassment enough even . Grandma wouldn't fit in with the new lifestyle. I still like Rick Braggs books better. He loves where he came from and he always tries to show both positives and negatives.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 12, 2017 01:36 PM (Lqy/e)

294 289 It has to do with copyrights fees, same reason
the Gideon's ministry uses the KJV (or NKJV) exclusively. NIV is the
most popular translation these days but has a hefty reprint fee attached
to it.

Posted by: John the Baptist at March 12, 2017 01:27 PM (MPH+3)

The Gideon's chief purpose is to give away Bibles, not to publish them. I am assuming they get them from from Bible publishers. But the way the communists and atheists have taken over the courts and schools they are loosing the ability to even give them away.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 12, 2017 01:38 PM (mpXpK)

295 "Yeah a bunch of us hit the bar last night, everybody got, like, totally tullidged."
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:33 AM (0K/XU)

Verb. To read indiscriminately or exhaustively: "We went to the cafe last night, and they have a bunch of free books on the back shelf, and we tullidged them.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 12, 2017 01:40 PM (WQX/u)

296 Stumbling Colossus
Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 01:20 PM (QDnY+)

Ooooh. That one is on my todo list. I am working on a similar project to you it seems. I have finished Chief Culprit by Viktor Suvorov and plan next to read the counterpoint Grand Delusion by Gabriel Gorodetsky.

Just getting started, but the mystery of June 22 1941, where the Russian superior tanks (T34, KV) and superior manpower being so badly beaten at first is what drew me in.

Posted by: jd will at March 12, 2017 01:41 PM (EEqRQ)

297 Apropos of nothing...

I just saw a photo of David Letterman.

He looks like angry, anorexic Santa Claus.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 01:43 PM (9q7Dl)

298 Milo put up a Tweet by a Snowflake telling everyone to call their pets by non-gender pronouns because they may be transgender and if you call them by pronouns that imply him or her "THEY CAN TELL!" and that's animal abuse!

Posted by: Mathers at March 12, 2017 01:44 PM (mDmux)

299 grammie winger, are you going to have to get a new watch, or do you think yours can be repaired (and is worth repairing)?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 01:45 PM (8nWyX)

300 We all know Presdent Obamama wrotes some grate books and we have then for sail in all our local Brattleboro book stores. We have learned lots from these books about globill warming and helping children of colors. We are proud of him and wish his return soon to fix all the problems that idiot Trump has already created !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboror, VT at March 12, 2017 01:49 PM (WmgTn)

301 Milo put up a Tweet by a Snowflake telling everyone to call their pets by non-gender pronouns because they may be transgender and if you call them by pronouns that imply him or her "THEY CAN TELL!" and that's animal abuse!

Posted by: Mathers at March 12, 2017 01:44 PM (mDmux)

Yeah, that was posted here a few days ago, but I'm skeptical. The account was registered in mid-2015, but if you go to that account on twitter, it has the default avatar, six followers, and no tweets. It's possible that the poster deleted all the tweets and removed the custom avatar, but usually people just delete the account.

Also fuzzybutt and sh*thead are sufficiently gender-neutral for my cats, so I'm not worried.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 01:49 PM (8nWyX)

302 Read two books this week - "Vienna Twilight", a Max Lieberman mystery by Frank Tallis, and "Suite Francaise", by Irene Nemirovsky.

I really like the Max Liebermann series and I only have one book left. Sometimes the psychoanalysis talk is a little much, but I love the description of early 20th-century Vienna cafe society.

"Suite Francaise" was written during WWII and was intended to be in five parts, but the author was sent to the concentration camp before she could write the 3rd, 4th, and 5th parts. Interesting book and unfortunately many of the characters she introduces never have a resolution, although her notes for the later sections give you an idea of what she had planned. It's hard to fathom what it was like living in France during WWII, but this gives you an idea.

Posted by: biancaneve at March 12, 2017 01:50 PM (A/iod)

303
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 01:49 PM (8nWyX)

So, just trolling perhaps?

I'm good with that too.

Posted by: Mathers at March 12, 2017 01:52 PM (mDmux)

304 Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboror, VT

Two days in a row without mentioning fart-tubing, Mary. I'm devastated.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at March 12, 2017 01:53 PM (Tyii7)

305 [So, just trolling perhaps?

I'm good with that too.
Posted by: Mathers at March 12, 2017 01:52 PM (mDmux)

Maybe Poe's Law.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 01:55 PM (8nWyX)

306 Also, who didn't always realize David Letterman was a major asshole who couldn't really hide it?

Posted by: Mathers at March 12, 2017 01:55 PM (mDmux)

307 In his younger days, my dad raised hunting dogs. He said he had one named Kip that had a middle initial. As in, Kip U. idiot.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 01:56 PM (kTF2Z)

308 OT, but drone footage from the scene indicates that the psychotic, murderous Shia LaBouaeiouf is patrolling the flagpole area armed with a baseball bat hoping to catch those dang kids

https://twitter.com/polNewsNetwork1/status/840918778540113921

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 12, 2017 11:49 AM (0K/XU)

Ain't no horse's ass like the Tenneshia Boof.

Posted by: totally not Doc Watson at March 12, 2017 01:58 PM (WDdjT)

309 270 Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 01:03 PM (jm1YL)

I really need to start using the resources of my local library more, but the last time I did, I lost a book which I'm still looking for. In the meantime, my number of allowable renewals is approaching zero.

I keep swearing I'll stop buying books, then I read the book thread and ...
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 01:07 PM (gwPgz)
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Books are my budget kryptonite, too. Books for myself, books for the kids...I recently discovered the Landmark series, history in novel form for kids. They're out of print and not yet on Kindle, so they're not as cheap as a lot of the classic literature I've found on Amazon.

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at March 12, 2017 01:59 PM (adsVM)

310 Patton the movie got a lot of comments upthread so I thought this worth mentioning.

You can read the movie as a celebration of the man or his indictment. Or a bit of both. That's art.

Producer Frank McCarthy certainly saw it as a celebration. He was a VMI graduate who was an aide to Patton during the War, after which he went to Hollywood where he worked on getting the movie Patton made for twenty years. At the Oscars McCarthy personally picked up the statuettes for Best Picture and Best Actor (because George C Scott was a no-show). It won seven in all.

But for the movie, the man Patton would have faded into near obscurity.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 12, 2017 02:02 PM (bQxkN)

311 In his younger days, my dad raised hunting dogs. He said he had one named Kip that had a middle initial. As in, Kip U. idiot.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 01:56 PM (kTF2Z)

Oh, that reminds me, sh*thead sometimes gets called 'pudgy princess' too, which probably leads to body image shame in addition to contributing to toxic gender roles.

I'll be sure to apologize as soon as soon as xhe's done stalking and murdering a bread tie, The Most Dangerous Game.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 02:03 PM (8nWyX)

312 I've mentioned this before, but I'm always late to the book thread...
If anyone likes steampunk cowboy sci-fi with a dash of supernatural martial arts, you'll love the Outlaw King series by S. A. Hunt.

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at March 12, 2017 02:04 PM (adsVM)

313 Re-reading "Christ is in our midst"_Letters from a Russian monk. It's a deceptively simple book that he wrote to spiritual advisees and friends, full of wisdom and humility. Some of it is funny,y as this entirety of a letter:

"I thank you every much for the watermelon, although the package arrived in battered condition, the watermelon damaged, the paper all wet. The postmistress was displeased; Other packages got wet. No doubt you sent it with vanity. It always happens that anyone who acts with vanity can expect disgrace."
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It got me considering how many things I do with vanity.

Spiritual directors tend not to fool around when they have a critique, and this monk who was very loving and insightful also had no patience with nonsense.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2017 02:09 PM (fDdVG)

314 Says a lot about the Ds that Andy Cuomo is a credible candidate, if he doesn't get indicted.

Dad Mario was smart and erudite and would have been a Wall Street lawyer, if he hadn't been an Italian from Queens at a time when the big firms didn't want ethnics.

Somehow Andy managed to get the full Queens accent, which sounds like banging pots, which is father never had.

By all accounts, Andy is not that smart and a real putz.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 12, 2017 02:13 PM (bQxkN)

315 O/T

Just watched the BEST answer to a reporter in a long time...

Chris Wallace interviewing a Trump Advisor... guy's from Wall Street...

Last question...

Wallace: What's your opinion on the Fired NY AG, as he was going after corruption...

Spokesman: I don't have one.

Wallace kept trying... but the guy stood firm, saying he had not had dealings in that arena, so he did not have an opinion...

Wallace was pissed... had a got ya question dismissed...

We need MORE of this.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 12, 2017 02:14 PM (NgKpN)

316 No one will tear down my flag "he will not divide us". Because if they did, that would mean we were already divided. But that cannot be the case, because then I would never have written that slogan in the first place.

Posted by: Shia LeBeouf at March 12, 2017 02:15 PM (vRcUp)

317 Who in their right mind would name their kid Shia?

Posted by: Reince and Preet at March 12, 2017 02:18 PM (Tyii7)

318 Heh . . . It's funny to see Witchy Eye mentioned here. I downloaded a sample of that a few days ago, but delet ed it. It didn't grab me.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 12, 2017 02:20 PM (1epXH)

319 His real name is Preetinder Singh "Preet" Bharara. The Preetinder is not an unusual Indian name, although in English you can make all kind of jokes about, " I am the Great Preetinder/Pretender"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2017 02:22 PM (fDdVG)

320 From the First Zionist Conference:

"Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine. For the attainment of this purpose, the Congress considers the following means serviceable:
1. The promotion of the settlement of Jewish agriculturists, artisans, and tradesmen in Palestine."

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:23 PM (OmhcY)

321 SDNY US Attorney Preet Bharra has always been a wild card to me. He's a protege of Chuck Schumer who may still be pulling some of his strings.

Trump's replacement will be an interesting choice and will have "a lot on his plate."

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 12, 2017 02:23 PM (bQxkN)

322 Well, this is very late in the thread.

Ayn Rand set up, using a Trust, a foundation. They get the money.

I read "The Stand" in 1980. I read somewhere (could be here) that Stephen King in retrospect, didn't like the it and made changes. I loved it. Eschatological it was.

I always liked "bumping uglies."

And October Sky. So, Kennedy did buy West Virginia.

Both Islam and the Crusades were later than 600.

YA Fiction? No cusswords. Read Andrew Klavan's stuff.

The Catholic Church hated both the King James and the Luther German Bibles. Why? In both cases, they standardize (my source here is David P. Goldman/ "Spengler") the English and German languages, respectively, thus UNIFYING those nations with common language.

Until a female SJW experiences the pain of scrotum pinched by clothing, she will never understand "manslaining."

Speaking of knickers in a twist, gents, don't let your dick get caught in a clamshell. It probably hurts.

Posted by: JAS at March 12, 2017 02:24 PM (Kresa)

323 And isn't Reince a diminutive for Reinhold which is a good German name, and Reinhold Niebuhr, the theologian/pastor was an interesting man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2017 02:25 PM (fDdVG)

324 Patton the movie got a lot of comments upthread so I thought this worth mentioning.

This thread? I did a ctrl+F "Patton" and only got your post.

Which is too bad, I always like talking about Patton, the man and the movie.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 02:27 PM (gIRsn)

325 And isn't Reince a diminutive for Reinhold which is a good German name, and Reinhold Niebuhr, the theologian/pastor was an interesting man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2017 02:25 PM (fDdVG)

Might be, but Reince Priebus is of Lithuanian origins, leastwise his family is.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 12, 2017 02:28 PM (WDdjT)

326 Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 02:27 PM (gIRsn)

Patton was talked about in the movie thread from yesterday, I believe.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2017 02:28 PM (fDdVG)

327 And isn't Reince a diminutive for Reinhold which is a good German name, and Reinhold Niebuhr, the theologian/pastor was an interesting man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2017 02:25 PM (fDdVG)

I think you're pushing the very limits of naming conventions there, Fen.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 02:29 PM (gwPgz)

328 That's what I meant

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 12, 2017 02:29 PM (bQxkN)

329 Interesting about the Brit map.....It would seem to indicate that "Palestine" is as much fiction as the religion of peace.

Now to find the first reference to "Palestine" on a reliable map, who drew it up and why.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 10:39 AM

Not from a map, but...

According to my Encyclopaedia Brittanica, Fourteenth Edition 1929:

"PALESTINE, a territory administered by the British Government under a mandate from the League of Nations, which came officially into operation in 1923. It is bounded on the north by the French sphere of Syria, as settled by the Franco-British convention of 1920, on the west by the Mediterranean, and on the south by Egyptian and Hejaz territory. On the east is Transjordan (q.v.) separated from Palestine roughly by the Jordan valley and the Red sea, but included in the British mandate. Palestine stretches through only about 2 degrees of latitude, being roughly 140 m. long and about 23 m. wide in the north and about 80 m. in the south. Its area (exlcuding Transjordan) is just over 9,000 sq. m., being slightly larger than that of Wales.

So, "Palestine" was invented by the (now defunct) League of Nations and run by the Brits.

Imperialist racists, no doubt.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 02:30 PM (044Fx)

330 So, y'all had a movie thread without me. Hmph.

*scribbles in notebook*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 02:30 PM (gIRsn)

331 What books are you happy did not or cannot be made into movies (because they'd be distorted beyond recognition for PC reasons)?

The Sparrow, by Mary Doria Russell
A Confederacy of Dunces, by John Kennedy Toole

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 12, 2017 02:31 PM (bAvOE)

332 Hello, fellow morons.

A lazy Sunday, just waiting for the foot and a half of snow promised for Tuesday.

I see The James Madison got his movie thread; I'm sorry I missed it, since I don't do weekends.

I did just finish watching 1930s Showgirl Goes Hollywood, with poor Alice White. I liked it, but I'm a sucker for that sort of thing,

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 12, 2017 02:31 PM (xoU17)

333 Also:

Hadrian the Seventh, by Frederick Rolfe

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 12, 2017 02:32 PM (bAvOE)

334 The attempt to claim that the term Palestine was invented by the League of Nations or anti-Israel Arabs is nothing but supreme idiocy. It was in wide use for centuries prior to that.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:33 PM (OmhcY)

335 Ugh, it's Shia LaBeouf, not Shia LeBeouf. Mnemonic: Marine Le Pen, Shia La Beouf. Like the Wendy's lady says, "Where's the Beouf???" Right here, toots.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 12, 2017 02:33 PM (vRcUp)

336 That's right. The King James is public domain. I forgot about that.

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There is an app called Bible.Is that provides Bibles in many, many languages (many languages that I never heard of) often with audio and it's all free. I got the Latin Bible with the New Testament in audio.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 02:34 PM (Nwg0u)

337 I always liked "bumping uglies."
Posted by: JAS at March 12, 2017 02:24 PM (Kresa)

I've always preferred pointedly ignoring each other punctuated with the occasional mutual glare over Gauloises but it takes all kinds, I guess.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 02:34 PM (8nWyX)

338 Who in their right mind would name their kid Shia?

It's disgraceful.

Posted by: Apple Paltrow at March 12, 2017 02:34 PM (Tyii7)

339 Read- The first book of the "Flashman" series. People have called this a humours series. I suppose it is if you like your dark humour at the expense of the idea of heroism. Interesting to read it as historical fiction about the British Empire.
3/5 probably won't spend money on any more in the series

"The Realist Guy In The Room"

I'm an amateur wrestling and MMA fan. Dan Severn is the real deal but the book is disappointing. I bought it based on a blog interview he did where he discussed wrestling a grown man in an international tournament when he was a teen and his story of American Wrestlers barely escaping a Russian Tournament after one of them had broken the thumb of a Russian Wrestler.
Neither story is in the book. Most of it is about his "Pro" Wrestling career.

2.5/5

Posted by: typo dynamofo at March 12, 2017 02:36 PM (B2EXM)

340 Balfour Declaration:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:36 PM (OmhcY)

341 I suppose I should be writing.

See you all tomorrow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 12, 2017 02:37 PM (xoU17)

342 Ugh, it's Shia LaBeouf, not Shia LeBeouf. Mnemonic: Marine Le Pen, Shia La Beouf. Like the Wendy's lady says, "Where's the Beouf???" Right here, toots.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 12, 2017 02:33 PM (vRcUp)

Isn't it kind of pointless to argue about the "proper" spelling of an idiotic made-up name?

Posted by: Beyonce at March 12, 2017 02:37 PM (WDdjT)

343 Why can't these authors writing abysmal sex scenes just drop the following into the text:

-Insert Self Imagined Raunchy/Tender Sex Act Here-

A random readers fantasy will be infinitely better than their scribblings. One fears they are describing their own experiences when composing these scenes.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 12, 2017 02:38 PM (FtrY1)

344 It's disgraceful.

And, how.

Posted by: Diva Thin Muffin Zappa at March 12, 2017 02:38 PM (Tyii7)

345 The attempt to claim that the term Palestine was
invented by the League of Nations or anti-Israel Arabs is nothing but
supreme idiocy. It was in wide use for centuries prior to that.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:33 PM

I didn't claim that the term "Palestine" was invented by LoN, rather that the state came into official existence thereby.

Also, merely quoting a book of (more or less) accepted authority.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 02:38 PM (044Fx)

346 "I thank you every much for the watermelon, although the package arrived in battered condition, the watermelon damaged, the paper all wet. The postmistress was displeased; Other packages got wet. No doubt you sent it with vanity. It always happens that anyone who acts with vanity can expect disgrace."
--------------------------------------------------------
It got me considering how many things I do with vanity.

Spiritual directors tend not to fool around when they have a critique, and this monk who was very loving and insightful also had no patience with nonsense.

-
I put a lime in a coconut, mixed them both together.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 02:38 PM (Nwg0u)

347 Which is too bad, I always like talking about Patton, the man and the movie.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 02:27 PM (gIRsn)
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I saw Patton again after reading Carlo d'Este's excellent biography and thought they captured the essence of this complicated man fairly well.

I will of course plug all of Carlo's biographies here -- Patton, Eisenhower, and Churchill.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 02:39 PM (EnKk6)

348 And isn't Reince a diminutive for Reinhold which is a good German name, and Reinhold Niebuhr, the theologian/pastor was an interesting man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Heh - he had the best summation of modern theology: "A God without wrath brought men without sin into a kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a cross."

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 12, 2017 02:39 PM (vRcUp)

349 345 The attempt to claim that the term Palestine was
invented by the League of Nations or anti-Israel Arabs is nothing but
supreme idiocy. It was in wide use for centuries prior to that.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:33 PM

Palestinian state was. Why so angry?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 12, 2017 02:41 PM (8w3qu)

350 I didn't claim that the term "Palestine" was invented by LoN, rather that the state came into official existence thereby.

Also, merely quoting a book of (more or less) accepted authority.
Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 02:38 PM (044Fx)
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Nice assertion but the LoN did not create a state nor create the term for the geographic area.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:41 PM (OmhcY)

351 I see Shelvie. He's lurking between Waldo and the sniper.

Posted by: Fritz at March 12, 2017 02:42 PM (YAPkP)

352 I've always preferred pointedly ignoring each other punctuated with the occasional mutual glare over Gauloises but it takes all kinds, I guess.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 02:34 PM (8nWyX)
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Are you sure we never dated? Substitute black Sobranies though.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 02:42 PM (EnKk6)

353 "What books are you happy did not or cannot be made into movies (because they'd be distorted beyond recognition for PC reasons)?

The Sparrow, by Mary Doria Russell ..."

Dear Lord,

Please do let Hollywood anywhere near that book.

Thanks,
T.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 02:43 PM (jm1YL)

354 Palestinian state was. Why so angry?
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 12, 2017 02:41 PM (8w3qu)
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Not angry. Just don't see any need to try to re-write the history of Palestine based on the current political situation. The term Palestine was used by the Zionists seeking to create a Jewish state. Why claim it was imposed to further Arab interests?

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:43 PM (OmhcY)

355 Shia is a diminutive of Sheba, since his parents kept lots and lots of cats, and it is a nickname.

His legal name is Olaf Nyquist Koherde, but there already was an Equity actor by that name, hence the formalization of his nick name and the last name switch to LaBoeuf.

That he is a clueless virtue signalling idiot who is hiding a public display so no-one can make fun of him has no real explanation.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 12, 2017 02:44 PM (WQX/u)

356 His legal name is Olaf Nyquist Koherde, but there already was an Equity actor by that name

Wait a dang minute! You're saying there were two sets of parents that hung that name on their sons?

No wonder the kid is so shot out.

Posted by: weirdflunky at March 12, 2017 02:47 PM (P5NZX)

357 "Please do let Hollywood anywhere near that book. "

I take it you mean "do not". Yeah, my blood chills at the thought of how it would be mangled.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 12, 2017 02:47 PM (bAvOE)

358 Nice assertion but the LoN did not create a state nor create the term for the geographic area.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:41 PM

Never said they created the term. It appears that they did indeed "create" some administration or other, and referred to is as "Palestine."

Whatever.

I didn't come here to argue with you; rather, to respond to a query as to first use re: geographic area ("map"-- so I shouldn't have replied at all, I guess)

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 02:48 PM (044Fx)

359 I saw Patton again after reading Carlo d'Este's excellent biography and thought they captured the essence of this complicated man fairly well.

I will of course plug all of Carlo's biographies here -- Patton, Eisenhower, and Churchill.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

Oh nice. I just looked at the Amazon blurbs and shall add this to the list.

I have read Patton's memoir "War as I Knew It", which had not yet been published at the time the movie was made. If anything it shows the movie to be an understated version of the man. The scenes/anecdotes all jibe.

There are some men in history who seem to have been born and struggled their whole lives to play a specific role in destiny. Patton is one, as is Churchill. I don't know enough about Eisenhower. I should read more.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 02:48 PM (gIRsn)

360 Who in their right mind would name their kid Shia?

Stole it by slightly changing the name of musician Sleepy LaBeef.

Posted by: Mathers at March 12, 2017 02:49 PM (mDmux)

361 " Read- The first book of the "Flashman" series. People have called this a humours series. I suppose it is if you like your dark humour at the expense of the idea of heroism. Interesting to read it as historical fiction about the British Empire."

Author Fraser has a complicated thing with the British Empire. He's a Scot who saw real action in the service of the King in the Burma campaign (I recently started his memoir Quartered Safe Out Here) and he has real ambivalence about the Empire.

Mr. American, a non-Flashman novel that's more serious in tone, really shows Fraser's disdain for the British ruling classes. It also shows his admiration for Americans.

The Flashman novels are great historical fiction. Harry Flashman isn't just an anti-hero. He's a foil to introduce modern sensibilities into the past. And they're funny.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 12, 2017 02:49 PM (bQxkN)

362 Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:43 PM (OmhcY)

Yes that came later but it came. The anti Zionist co-opted the name but they definitely existed at the time and had their supporters during the creation of the Jewish state.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 12, 2017 02:49 PM (8w3qu)

363 Might be, but Reince Priebus is of Lithuanian origins, leastwise his family is.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 12, 2017 02:28 PM (WDdjT)
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I believe Reince's father is from German roots and his mother is Greek. I read something once about how they came to call him Reince, but I can't remember the story. Reince is Greek Orthodox.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 02:49 PM (dFi94)

364 357
Yes indeed. Thanks. Do not let Hollywood anywhere near "The Sparrow".

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 02:50 PM (jm1YL)

365 Substitute black Sobranies though.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 02:42 PM (EnKk6)

For real, or is that an artifact of your Bellairs deep-dive?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 02:50 PM (8nWyX)

366 "...imposed to further Arab interests?"

Your words, not mine, and not in anything I wrote above.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 02:51 PM (044Fx)

367 His legal name is Olaf Nyquist Koherde
=======================

He's Swedish ??

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 02:51 PM (dFi94)

368 There are some men in history who seem to have been born and struggled their whole lives to play a specific role in destiny.

Don't forget Obama!!

Posted by: Fawning News Media at March 12, 2017 02:51 PM (bAvOE)

369 Shia LaB. is learning an old lesson that the proponents of "The Wall" would do well to ponder. Passive Security ain't shit, it can always be beaten, and usually pretty quickly.

You gotta have boots on the ground if you wanna keep something safe. And then you gotta have more boots on the ground to keep an eye on the first set of boots on the ground. It's expensive and a constant pain in the ass.

Posted by: Hadrian, Imp. Brit. et al at March 12, 2017 02:52 PM (V2Yro)

370 That he is a clueless virtue signalling idiot who is hiding a public display so no-one can make fun of him has no real explanation.

Posted by: Kindltot

YOU WANNA SAY THAT TO MY FACE, TOUGH GUY???

Posted by: Sheea La Booph at March 12, 2017 02:52 PM (vRcUp)

371 JAS #322: ...Until a female SJW experiences the pain of scrotum pinched by clothing, she will never understand "manslaining."... [Y'mean "mansPlaining," right?]

Wouldn't this be more applicable to "manspreading"?

(* Adjusts self in chair until comfortable *)

Posted by: mindful webworker, rambling among the bookshelves at March 12, 2017 02:54 PM (/tG8l)

372 What books are you happy did not or cannot be made into movies (because they'd be distorted beyond recognition for PC reasons)?

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The Little Red Hen. She'd be opening a free non-profit bakery for the insufficiently motivated.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 02:54 PM (Nwg0u)

373 Grammie, everything is funnier if the real name is Swedish or Yiddish.

"Gustavus Adolfus Silbernagel" is extra funny.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 12, 2017 02:54 PM (WQX/u)

374
Grammie, everything is funnier if the real name is Swedish or Yiddish.
=====================

I once went to a church where half the people were ___quist. Sundquist, Lundquist, Nyquist. All the quists.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 02:56 PM (dFi94)

375 There are some men in history who seem to have been born and struggled their whole lives to play a specific role in destiny.

Don't forget Obama!!

-
Or Rasputin!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 02:56 PM (Nwg0u)

376 Just tripped over this. As if there was any doubt of honorary Moron status, Flashman author George MacDonald Fraser wrote a scathing critique of all things PC just before he died in 2008

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 12, 2017 02:58 PM (bQxkN)

377 "Gustavus Adolfus Silbernagel" is extra funny."

I don't see what's so funny about that.

Posted by: Yorgie Yacob Yorgenson at March 12, 2017 02:58 PM (V2Yro)

378
For real, or is that an artifact of your Bellairs deep-dive?
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 02:50 PM (8nWyX)
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Fo reelz. More in my teens/twenties. I'm not a smoker but I love the cigarette as accoutrement. Black Sobies for Deep Thought, clove ciggies for clubbing, colored Nate Shermans for hanging out with friends, cigars for when I'm out in Nature, Red in Tooth and Claw. Kazbeks for those Fuck It All times.

I smoke maybe two or three times a year. I just don't have the constitution for self-destruction.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 02:59 PM (EnKk6)

379 I hate being late to the Sunday Book Thread. I'm so embarrassed I put on pants as a penance.

Pajama pants, but still.

Posted by: William Alan Webb at March 12, 2017 02:59 PM (OhYcy)

380 And if there was ever a country in the Mideast called "Palestine", the British would have certainly known about it and referred to it by that name.
-----------------------------------------
Well , it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

Book recommendation:

"Reflection in Palestine" by Charles George Gordon (1883)

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:59 PM (OmhcY)

381 Sabrina,
I've debated the workshops so many times, and until you mentioned your experience, I never clicked on "Coast Workshops." Lordy, what riches. The Anthology workshop sounds wonderful and terrifying and exhausting. I can't imagine how you did it. Double congratulations.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at March 12, 2017 02:59 PM (Kr0FZ)

382 I once went to a church where half the people were ___quist. Sundquist, Lundquist, Nyquist. All the quists.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 02:56 PM (dFi94)

The phone books in Grand Rapids MI came in two volumes: Van___ and everything else.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:00 PM (8nWyX)

383 The phone books in Grand Rapids MI came in two volumes: Van___ and everything else.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:00 PM (8nWyX)
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I can believe it. And probably half the men had Calvin as a middle name.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:01 PM (dFi94)

384 The phone books in Grand Rapids MI came in two volumes: Van___ and everything else.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:00 PM (8nWyX)
--
And in SE Michigan, ___ski and ___czyk.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 03:02 PM (EnKk6)

385 "Gustavus Adolfus Silbernagel" is extra funny."

I don't see what's so funny about that.

Posted by: Yorgie Yacob Yorgenson at March 12, 2017 02:58 PM (V2Yro)

I got nothing.

Posted by: John Jacob Jingleheimerschmidt at March 12, 2017 03:04 PM (JO9+V)

386 Hi Horde! Still in Vegas.

Had to carry on only for the flight. Looked at Dad's Library and needed something small and thin. Heh, found an old Grisham book I hadn't read. The Bretheran. Funny shit so far. Mindless entertainment at the pool while sipping adult beverages. Jailed atty's and Judges in min. security in FL pulling scams and a new Prezy election in the works. Like I said, mindless entertainment.

Carry on.

Posted by: Infidel at March 12, 2017 03:04 PM (x7BO0)

387 The phone books in Grand Rapids MI came in two volumes: Van___ and everything else.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:00 PM (8nWyX)

The phone books are here! The phone books are here!

I'm somebody!

Posted by: Van Jones, Maoist Jerk at March 12, 2017 03:04 PM (zc3Db)

388 So, "Palestine" was invented by the (now defunct) League of Nations and run by the Brits.
Imperialist racists, no doubt.
Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 02:30 PM (044Fx)

And there it is!....Thanks JQ Fly! Any relation to Super?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 03:05 PM (5VlCp)

389 Our church directory was Anderson, Johnson, Nelson, Olafson, Svenson, and Ericson. 'son' meant you were Swedish. 'sen' meant you were Norwegian.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:05 PM (dFi94)

390 >>The phone books in Grand Rapids MI came in two volumes: Van___ and everything else.

Posted by: hogmartin

Grand Haven, MI just had the Van volume. The others were on the "heretics we ran out of town" list.

Posted by: Aviator at March 12, 2017 03:05 PM (/Nite)

391 The Bretheran. Funny shit so far.

Heh. "....draw nigh and get screwed..."

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (044Fx)

392 I thought the Romans used "Palestine" for that geographical region.

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (sdi6R)

393 passing through and keep forgetting to ask. I know this has been talked about before. does anyone have a list of good books on the sub warfare during WW2. My local library is woefully under booked in that department. Thanks...

Posted by: morigu at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (gU+/s)

394 Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 02:59 PM (OmhcY)

When Palestine is referenced in the past , I assumed it was in the same manner as someone would reference the Rockies or the Steppes or the Sahara. A geographical location as opposed to a Country. Admittedly my knowledge is only peripheral.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (8w3qu)

395 Mindless entertainment at the pool while sipping adult beverages.
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Gee, that's a shame.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:07 PM (dFi94)

396 Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 10:08 AM (dFi94)

As you know, or certainly will find out, there are a lot of KB "experts" on YT. I like Geoff Neupert for form and sensible. For me, the best all around is the Turkish Get Up.

Since this is book thread check out We're Working Out!A Zen Approach to Everyday Fitness, Al Kavaldo. Good on strength and mindfulness.

Posted by: Trump nominees in waiting at March 12, 2017 03:08 PM (OU4q6)

397 It's expensive and a constant pain in the ass.

Posted by: Hadrian, Imp. Brit. et al at March 12, 2017 02:52 PM (V2Yro)

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

Posted by: Juvenal at March 12, 2017 03:08 PM (gwPgz)

398 It's rough duty grammie. Leaving on a jet plan this afternoon.

Posted by: Infidel at March 12, 2017 03:09 PM (x7BO0)

399 Just shined a pair of dress shoes - actually stripped the old polish, used leather conditioner, then reapplied polish - and managed to not get shoe polish all over myself. A small miracle.

Posted by: Weasel at March 12, 2017 03:09 PM (Sfs6o)

400
353 "What books are you happy did not or cannot be made into movies (because they'd be distorted beyond recognition for PC reasons)

It's only a matter of time before the Movie and Book Threads have a high speed head on collision.

It's too late to nominate Starship Troopers.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 12, 2017 03:10 PM (FtrY1)

401 A geographical location as opposed to a Country. Admittedly my knowledge is only peripheral.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (8w3qu)

Similar to the term Levant?

As in Obama's ISIL non-islamic terrorists?

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 03:10 PM (gwPgz)

402 As you know, or certainly will find out, there are a lot of KB "experts"
on YT. I like Geoff Neupert for form and sensible. For me, the best all
around is the Turkish Get Up.
=======================

I'll look that up - thanks! I found one guy who looked good, but his close captioning takes up half the screen and I can't see what he's doing.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:11 PM (dFi94)

403 Re: 322.

With respect to the Catholic Church/vernacular Bible controversy, the conventional wisdom is that putting the Word of God directly into the minds and mouths of untutored laymen instead of being filtered through the clergy stripped the clergy of their power. If every man can have their own interaction with the Word of God, who needs priests, bishops, or a Pope?

The counterargument was that if every man has their own interaction with the Word of God, some men will be led into error through misunderstanding or through the willful application of man's desire to twist the scripture to support sinful ends.

Ironically, it can be argued that the 130 years of chaos associated with the Reformation made strong points for both points of view.

As an analogy, think of the 20th century personal computer revolution. No longer were specialists required to directly access the awesome power of the computer. On the other hand, the same power that gave the average person access to word processors, spreadsheets, desktop publishing, e-mail and computer games also gave us viruses, "death by Powerpoint", spam and Custer's Revenge.

By comparison and with all due respect to "Spengler", the unifying power of language was probably a poor secondary concern of the Catholic Church. I don't believe that the Catholic Church got its vestments in a knot over the same language-unification trends that were occurring at the same time in France, Spain, and Italy.

Posted by: Grouchy Dino at March 12, 2017 03:11 PM (dEnig)

404 A small miracle.

Posted by: Weasel at March 12, 2017 03:09 PM (Sfs6o)

Cheap rubber gloves, my friend!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 03:11 PM (gwPgz)

405 It's rough duty grammie. Leaving on a jet plan this afternoon.

Posted by: Infidel at March 12, 2017 03:09 PM (x7BO0)
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Try to pace yourself. We wouldn't want any poolside-while-drinking incidents.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:12 PM (dFi94)

406 Black Sobies for Deep Thought
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 02:59 PM (EnKk6)

One of the ubiquitous elder mentors and occult researchers of one of the Bellairs series smokes black and gold Sobranies, though, yeah? I think I went looking for them when I turned 18 and could only find the Nat Shermans.

YOUNG ADULT FICTON LEADS TO KIDS SEEKING EXPENSIVE CIGARETTES, FILM AT 11

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:12 PM (8nWyX)

407 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 03:05 PM

Dude. Hope that what you meant by "there it is" is:
first official (by Western Govts) recognition of some kind of admin/state and definition of borders.

Can't help with the naming of lands 'claimed' by ancient/ unwritten/ royal/ "it's mine because I say so" decree.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 03:12 PM (044Fx)

408 >> does anyone have a list of good books on the sub warfare during WW2.

Undersea Warrior is a good one on Mush Morton and the Wahoo.

Posted by: Aviator at March 12, 2017 03:13 PM (/Nite)

409 Cheap rubber gloves, my friend!

Posted by: Hrothgar

Not always 100 percent effective.

Posted by: Webb Hubbell at March 12, 2017 03:13 PM (8ikIW)

410 About this time a week ago, I drove my dogs out to the boonies for a walk and when I got back about two hours later, it was still book thread!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 12, 2017 03:13 PM (Nwg0u)

411 Cheap rubber gloves, my friend!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 03:11 PM (gwPgz)
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I was using disposable latex(?) gloves, but was impressed I didn't get polish all over my shirt, in my hair and up my nose.

Posted by: Weasel at March 12, 2017 03:13 PM (Sfs6o)

412 If you thought the Cruz Wars were bad, they will be a spitball fight compared to the Book/Movie Thread Wars.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 12, 2017 03:14 PM (89T5c)

413 410 About this time a week ago, I drove my dogs out to the boonies for a walk and when I got back about two hours later, it was still book thread!

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ALL YOUR THREAD ARE BOOK TO US

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 12, 2017 03:14 PM (Om16U)

414 Yosh and Stan Shmenge

https://youtu.be/JrnE6kaPeuE

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 12, 2017 03:14 PM (IqV8l)

415 I thought the Romans used "Palestine" for that geographical region.

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (sdi6R)

The Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" after the destruction of the Temple and the diaspora. It was a slap at the Jews, to name their land after their historical enemies, the Phillistines.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 12, 2017 03:15 PM (zc3Db)

416 When Palestine is referenced in the past , I assumed it was in the same manner as someone would reference the Rockies or the Steppes or the Sahara. A geographical location as opposed to a Country. Admittedly my knowledge is only peripheral.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (8w3qu)
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That is correct. It was always ruled by some larger state and not an independent state. Of course that was also true of Syria, The Lebanon, Mesopotamia, and Trans-Jordan.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 03:15 PM (OmhcY)

417 I think "Palestina" was the name used for the Roman province created after the Bar Kokhba Revolt of AD 130 was crushed. According to Wikipedia (fwiw), it refers back to the Philistines, more to erase the Jewish associations with the territory than to associate with the long-gone pre-Jewish inhabitants.

Posted by: Grouchy Dino at March 12, 2017 03:18 PM (dEnig)

418 does anyone have a list of good books on the sub warfare during WW2.

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The Hunt For Red October is pretty good.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:19 PM (kTF2Z)

419 One of the ubiquitous elder mentors and occult researchers of one of the Bellairs series smokes black and gold Sobranies, though, yeah? I think I went looking for them when I turned 18 and could only find the Nat Shermans.

YOUNG ADULT FICTON LEADS TO KIDS SEEKING EXPENSIVE CIGARETTES, FILM AT 11
Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:12 PM (8nWyX)

Expensive cigarettes and magic. And Catholicism!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 03:23 PM (EnKk6)

420 I think "Palestina" was the name used for the Roman
province created after the Bar Kokhba Revolt of AD 130 was crushed.
According to Wikipedia (fwiw), it refers back to the Philistines, more
to erase the Jewish associations with the territory than to associate
with the long-gone pre-Jewish inhabitants.

Posted by: Grouchy Dino at March 12, 2017 03:18 PM (dEnig)
========================

Thousands of years. People have been trying to eradicate the Jewish people for thousands of years. Today is Purim, the commemoration of Queen Esther saving the Jewish people from Haman during some point in the ancient Persian Empire.

Still it goes on. Still they are here. Of all the tribes that come and go, one remains. I have a theory about that.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:23 PM (dFi94)

421 does anyone have a list of good books on the sub warfare during WW2. My local library is woefully under booked in that department. Thanks...
Posted by: morigu at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (gU+/s)

Any particular theater? Atlantic and Pacific were the big ones, but there was some stuff going on in the Mediterranean, too. And aside from the sinking merchants and the occasional warship of opportunity, there were some secret-squirrel stuff like blockade running and commando insertion, plus rescuing downed aviators.

A good one about a lesser-known type of warfare is Michael Sturma's Surface and Destroy, which covers deck gun actions on the US side in the Pacific. It includes a bit about Morton and the Wahoo, but it's a little dark - he torpedoed a Japanese transport and machine-gunned survivors from it, who turned out to be mostly Indian POWs. Even if they'd been all Japanese, it's pretty much a war crime, but ol' Dudley has been pickled in the Pacific for about 80 years so that horse has sailed before the barn doors were closed and that genie's not getting back in the toothpaste tube.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:24 PM (8nWyX)

422 Late to the party, as usual, but so happy to be here, as usual. Thanks for the kind words for my library. When I retired 2 years ago, and moved house, I wanted to finally put my books in some kind of order. The books on top left in the first photo IS the English Monarch series, and that bookcase is dedicated to English history, biography and memoirs. The one in the middle contains my favorites of a long life - my old Nancy Drews, Rumpole of the Bailey, Anya Seton, Harry Potter, Stephen King, Norah Lofts, Michael Crichton, et.al. The one on the right has the mysteries: Rex Stout, Michael Connelly, Martha Grimes, P.D. James, Lawrence Block, Josephine Tey, Sharyn McCrumb, as well as some lighter weights.
BTW - on the question of the 2 versions of The Stand: I prefer the old version.

Posted by: Bookaday at March 12, 2017 03:25 PM (2qDS0)

423 Hillary would not have divided us. She is a woman so awesome, she makes us ashamed to be men.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 12, 2017 03:25 PM (vRcUp)

424 Awesome library, Bookaday! What I wouldn't give to have my old Nancy Drews back. You have some great selection. P.D.James and Martha Grimes are particular favorites of mine.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:27 PM (dFi94)

425 Breaking:

AP- Ewok murders cobs. Blog goes silent. A random Moron was quoted as saying, "that's just great! Now what are we supposed to do?"

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:27 PM (kTF2Z)

426 AP- Ewok murders cobs. Blog goes silent. A random Moron was quoted as saying, "that's just great! Now what are we supposed to do?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:27 PM (kTF2Z)

Use harsh language?

Posted by: PVT Frost at March 12, 2017 03:29 PM (8nWyX)

427 425 Breaking:

AP- Ewok murders cobs. Blog goes silent. A random Moron was quoted as saying, "that's just great! Now what are we supposed to do?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:27 PM (kTF2Z)

What? Are we supposed to entertain OURSELVES like responsible adults?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 12, 2017 03:29 PM (R7+kO)

428 AP- Ewok murders cobs. Blog goes silent. A random Moron was quoted as saying, "that's just great! Now what are we supposed to do?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:27 PM (kTF2Z)

It would seem that blind panic would be the only rational response.

Posted by: weirdflunky at March 12, 2017 03:31 PM (P5NZX)

429 The responsible parties know who they are, and know what they did.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 12, 2017 03:31 PM (qndJL)

430 "Just tripped over this. As if there was any doubt of honorary Moron status, Flashman author George MacDonald Fraser wrote a scathing critique of all things PC just before he died in 2008"

I can also recommend his memoir, "Quartered Safe Out There". He spent time in Burma during WWII. I know other Morons have mentioned it. It left me wishing he had written more. The men he served vividly come to life. Plus Gurkhas and Gen. Slim.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 03:31 PM (jm1YL)

431 WWII submarine books.

Wahoo book by Mush Morton already mentioned.

"Silent Victory" is comprehensive, but perhaps therefore thin on detail (it's big). But a good first overview that touches on the big things, especially the "wasted" first year or two before US strategy shifted to eliminating Japan's tanker fleet and other strategic aspects of their fleet apart from surface combatants.

"Hellcats" is about the few intrepid skippers who ventured into the Sea of Japan. Have it, not read it yet. Uncle of my BIL was one of the skippers (met him once or twice before I knew anything about this).

If jd will is still here - "Stumbling Colossus" is a schlep of a read - as noted, written more like a govt. report than highly readable history, pretty dry and detailed. And read it, to see that Soviet paper advantages in tank technology and personnel numbers were less than meaningless - as Soviet forces lacked communications, training, command competence (effect of purges), transport, supply, re-supply capability, maintenance/repair capability, and had most stores and forces located close to the western frontiers where they were over-run/savaged immediately in Barbarossa.

And on top of all this, almost every major element (air, artillery, ground forces) were in the midst of major doctrine and organization reforms - most of them slated for completion by June ..... 194*2*.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:32 PM (QDnY+)

432 Anyone resort to cannibalism yet?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:32 PM (kTF2Z)

433 Book that's not really on my reading list:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4306112

Bandstand Diaries: The Philadelphia Years

Posted by: JEM at March 12, 2017 03:33 PM (TppKb)

434 Re: Tom Clancy and Sheryl Attkinson

I am not so sure I see it as nefarious. I think writers write what they know and also suffer from that same human failing: they believe everyone thinks the same as they do. Both Attkinson and Clancy lived in their respective worlds and also seemed to be decent people, hence they thought most of their coworkers were the same.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 12, 2017 03:33 PM (R7+kO)

435 294 289 It has to do with copyrights fees, same reason
the Gideon's ministry uses the KJV (or NKJV) exclusively. NIV is the
most popular translation these days but has a hefty reprint fee attached
to it.

Posted by: John the Baptist at March 12, 2017 01:27 PM (MPH+3)

The Gideon's chief purpose is to give away Bibles, not to publish them. I am assuming they get them from from Bible publishers. But the way the communists and atheists have taken over the courts and schools they are loosing the ability to even give them away.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 12, 2017 01:38 PM (mpXpK)

No, sir, the Gideons are very much in the publishing business themselves; I was with that ministry until I was ordained and had to leave (it is strictly a lay ministry). The funding for publishing these specialty Bibles (they come in several editions and types, as well as in a myriad of languages) comes from both membership fees paid in by the men themselves and from donations. All administrative fees for this ministry incidentally, come from the membership fees, 100% of donations go into publishing the Bibles.

One other interesting fact about the Gideons is that the Bible donations is sort of a sidelines, they consider themselves a prayer ministry first and foremost. A great bunch of people in there.

Posted by: John the Baptist at March 12, 2017 03:33 PM (MPH+3)

436 does anyone have a list of good books on the sub warfare during WW2. My local library is woefully under booked in that department. Thanks...
Posted by: morigu at March 12, 2017 03:06 PM (gU+/s)

Operation Drumbeat is pretty good at covering U-Boat warfare against the US in 1942.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 12, 2017 03:34 PM (J70i0)

437 432 Anyone resort to cannibalism yet?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:32 PM (kTF2Z)

Make sure to alert Shep: I saw Insomniac gnawing on an ankle that I do not think was his.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 12, 2017 03:34 PM (R7+kO)

438 Let's keep this thing humming along. Have you passports ready.

Posted by: Fritz at March 12, 2017 03:35 PM (YAPkP)

439 432. Resort? Pffft! If'n ya wait too long to invoke the custom of the sea, the meat's no good.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 12, 2017 03:37 PM (qndJL)

440 Judah was conquered by Babylon, and enslaved. Later released by the Persian king Cyrus. A remnant of them returned to Jerusalem to rebuild Soloman's Temple. They finally managed to accomplish this rebuild, led by Zarubbabel and Joshua.

Posted by: Nikkolai at March 12, 2017 03:38 PM (AIG0e)

441 As a public service I wish to announce April the giraffe has not given birth yet.

Posted by: Tuna at March 12, 2017 03:38 PM (jm1YL)

442 Reminders:

there is a free book available to day (in link at my nic)

and please vote for the CLFA book of the year 2017

http://tinyurl.com/z4ja6ca

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 12, 2017 03:38 PM (Om16U)

443 "I can also recommend his memoir, "Quartered Safe Out There"."

Just started it. My Irish dad had an older brother who was in the Burma campaign

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 12, 2017 03:39 PM (bQxkN)

444 "Silent Victory" is comprehensive, but perhaps therefore thin on detail (it's big). But a good first overview that touches on the big things, especially the "wasted" first year or two before US strategy shifted to eliminating Japan's tanker fleet and other strategic aspects of their fleet apart from surface combatants.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:32 PM (QDnY+)

Maybe Silent Victory mentions it, but nothing would have come of the "wasted year" no matter the targets so long as the Benny Hill sketch of BuOrd and the Wonderful Mk14 Torpedo was still going on.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:40 PM (8nWyX)

445 "They finally managed to accomplish this rebuild, led by Zarubbabel and Joshua."

So what am I, chopped liver???

Posted by: Ezra at March 12, 2017 03:40 PM (V2Yro)

446 At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if the zoo announced that they made a mistake and that April is really a guy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:41 PM (kTF2Z)

447 hogmartin, thanks for that sub book reference. Not in my local library system, unfortunately.

I also have "Blind Man's Bluff" about Cold War sub operations, have yet to read that, too.

Once I drag myself across the finish line with the Soviet pre-Barbarossa book, there is an interesting/unconventional product, "Magic" by David Lowman (deceased, career NSA guy).

On a recent trip, stopped for an hour at the museum at Manzanar, most famous WWII Japanese relocation camp in CA. A quick tour resulted in an assessment identical to that I had for the Hiroshima "peace" museum: "not as bad as I expected".

Anyway, Lowman's book likes lots of actual declassified intel assessments based on "Magic" decrypts of Japanese diplomatic messages, which he and the editor suggest are crucial context for EO 9066. Most interesting is the claim made in the intro that the 1983 congressional commission that provided the Official Last Word on the subject did not take this intel, or the fairly straightforward implications of it, into account in arriving at their (very dubious, I'm thinking) if predictable conclusion that relocation was the result of "racism, hysteria, and failure of political will".

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:41 PM (QDnY+)

448 403---Posted by: Grouchy Dino at March 12, 2017 03:11 PM (dEnig)
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Well said.

I might add that, although Protestants had a much stronger motivation to push individual Scriptural literacy, the Roman Church did NOT oppose translations into the vernacular.
(It is usually forgotten that the Catholic Douay-Rheims English-language Bible actually preceded the KJV.)

Once you had the printing press and (relatively) cheap paper, selling Bibles to a wider audience became feasible --- and profitable. The growth of a literate-but-not-Latined, commercial class created an expanding market that both Catholics and Protestants tried to serve.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 12, 2017 03:42 PM (Nox3c)

449 Book related: The complete set of Encyclopaedia Brittanica, Fourteenth Edition 1929 is on my bookshelf, waiting to get me into even more trouble, lol.

But it's fun to look up various Things and ponder all that's happened since then.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 03:42 PM (044Fx)

450 Anyone resort to cannibalism yet?

Posted by: Duke Lowell

If you try to rape me I will bite off your shlong and swallow it, but that is not cannibalism because men aren't human.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2017 03:43 PM (vRcUp)

451 Anyone resort to cannibalism yet?

Let us posit that the Boss finds himself in the throes of a ketosis psychosis and does a deep dive into the current spat between the Netherlands and Turkey, explaining its roots from the United East Indian Company and the Attaturk reformation, weaving together threads of culture, language, warfare, and cuisine. Imagine a topping of ace-snark such as we haven't seen since the Skankathon.

We're still going to talk about crossbows, Palestine, the breeding habits of llamas, the attack formations of llamas, home llama defense, and fur oil.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 03:44 PM (gIRsn)

452 hogmartin with the critical addition here: the faulty torpedo in use early in the war would have blunted the effect of an earlier adoption of the smarter strategy that later strangled Japan's commerce and economy.

But the strategy question is still quite interesting.

Actually, hogmartin - as we're about to be willowed, and I yet again showboat my notorious indolence by refusing to do the search myself - has any really good book ever been done on the torpedo scandal? Surely one of the most outrageous, and perhaps the most consequential, military procurement scandal in US history.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:45 PM (QDnY+)

453 Can't help with the naming of lands 'claimed' by ancient/ unwritten/ royal/ "it's mine because I say so" decree.
Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 03:12 PM (044Fx)

Yup...I was looking for an "official" naming of the place "Palestine" instead of the historical record as different "officials"have called it whatever suited them at the time. So the Brits basically pronounced it "Palestine" and there it is for our modern times. May be it's time to un-pronounce "Palestine" and be done with it as I only know the area as Israel.

Thanks again!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 12, 2017 03:45 PM (5VlCp)

454 Ooh, I can contribute. Salt and Steel: Reflections of a Submariner by Edward L. Beach. He skippered the USS Triton.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 03:47 PM (EnKk6)

455 "Quartered Safe Out There"

Oh yes.

And then there's the Spike Milligan books, which are fun if a little self-indulgent at times...

Posted by: JEM at March 12, 2017 03:47 PM (TppKb)

456 Oh, on the subject of WWII stories, go out and read F. Spencer Chapman's The Jungle is Neutral. He was a pragmatic stiff-upper-lip type who liked birdwatching and plants and volunteered to be left behind in Malaya to lead commando sabotage raids. It's full of blowing train bridges, shoot-outs with Malayan collaborators, being knocked on his ass for weeks by malaria, bartering with friendly locals, fleeing from Japanese-aligned locals, foraging in the jungle to stay alive, parachuting to rendezvous with saboteurs, carrying 1940s radio gear over mountains, dealing with loosely-allied but thoroughly incompetent communist guerillas, and pretty much everything else you could imagine. It's like T.E. Lawrence in the Malayan Jungle. You'll want to straighten your lapels, eat a cucumber sandwich and sip some tea, then slit a sentry's throat.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:48 PM (8nWyX)

457 Ooh, I know! We could put on a talent show. Anyone know how to juggle or anything?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:48 PM (kTF2Z)

458 We're still going to talk about crossbows, Palestine, the breeding
habits of llamas, the attack formations of llamas, home llama defense,
and fur oil.

That's right!

Because laptop batteries, steering wheel desks, cat filters, machines f*r sale, lace wigs and ugg(ly) boots are soooo yesterday...

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 03:48 PM (044Fx)

459 422---Posted by: Bookaday at March 12, 2017 03:25 PM (2qDS0)
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Love your library!
And love your reminding me of Anya Seton!
I think "Katherine" was my favorite book in HS. I re-read it in my 30's and still loved it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 12, 2017 03:48 PM (Nox3c)

460 And then there's the Spike Milligan books, which are fun if a little self-indulgent at times...

about which I'd known nothing until I found the whole stack of 'em sitting in the bargain bin at a thrift shop in a small town on the Mornington Peninsula in Australia...

Posted by: JEM at March 12, 2017 03:48 PM (TppKb)

461 Thanks, Eris - added Beach's book to my library to-read list.

That list grows like the budget of a pernicious "entitlement" or a pointless govt. infrastructure project. This thread each week is not "helping" any!

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:49 PM (QDnY+)

462 At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if the zoo announced that they made a mistake and that April is really a guy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:41 PM (kTF2Z)

Or a transgender....is playing it up, for fame and fortune, well fame anyway.
transgendertransgender

Posted by: Colin at March 12, 2017 03:49 PM (PLCSu)

463 I finished Muskrat by Douglas Hanks. A bunch of Maryland oystermen get a racing yacht built and compete in the 1987 America Cup in order to win the cup back from the Australians. The book had been mentioned in the thread a few weeks ago.

I found the sailing parts interesting. There are some amusing bits in there too. However, the book spends a lot of time on a side story in which two of the Maryland oystermen compete in an arm-wrestling competition. One of the characters (Drake) is such a drunken idiot that I found him annoying rather than amusing.

I have revised my rating to 3.5 out of 5 stars.

Posted by: Retired Buckey Cop is now an engineer at March 12, 2017 03:49 PM (5Yee7)

464 If jd will is still here - "Stumbling Colossus" is a schlep of a read ...
Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:32 PM

Yes, still here, thanks. I have this book on my list because of the following AZ review - can you confirm it is reasonable review?

By Richard Cundiffon December 28, 2016
Format: Hardcover|Verified Purchase
The maps of Corps/Armies deployments are worth their weight in gold. There is great detail on the make up of each Tank Division with level of training for the crews. You can't ask for a better book for status of the Red Army before Barbarrossa.

PS: Russian author Mark Solonin makes much the same case as you noted while Viktor Suvorov makes a more provocative argument which I am evaluating.

FWIW Most of Solonin's work is published in Russian, but he has a website with some translated fragments of work (I think he's working up an English version) https://tinyurl.com/hcykzrg

Posted by: jd will at March 12, 2017 03:51 PM (EEqRQ)

465 dang, hogmartin, that Chapman books sounds like a must-read for the likes of me.

And it isn't in my local library system. Hmmm. Need to write that one down for alternative sourcing.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:51 PM (QDnY+)

466 Actually, hogmartin - as we're about to be willowed, and I yet again showboat my notorious indolence by refusing to do the search myself - has any really good book ever been done on the torpedo scandal? Surely one of the most outrageous, and perhaps the most consequential, military procurement scandal in US history.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:45 PM (QDnY+)

I don't know of anything, which is kind of sad, since it should be a required class in any engineering or business course. People goof on the F-35 boondoggle, but BuOrd was in charge of everything about the Mk14; imagine if LockMart was doing all the testing for the F-35 too. The Mk14 gets a mention in a lot of books, but I can't think of one that focuses specifically on what it took to get them to take it seriously.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 03:52 PM (8nWyX)

467 Ooh, I know! We could put on a talent show. Anyone know how to juggle or anything?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:48 PM

I have some talents, and am accustomed to performing.

Posted by: Hope Solo at March 12, 2017 03:52 PM (DMUuz)

468 457 Ooh, I know! We could put on a talent show. Anyone know how to juggle or anything?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:48 PM (kTF2Z)
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I do know how to juggle, but.....
Well, let's just say that I only use little bean bags and mandarin oranges.
I don't like dented apples or broken eggs.

And I never could do it with plates, bananas, or chipmunks. The "grab" is too different.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 12, 2017 03:55 PM (Nox3c)

469 Food/booze thread up.

Posted by: HH at March 12, 2017 03:55 PM (DrCtv)

470 "We had, in fact, achieved only one effective hit in this supremely valuable target, in spite of all the effort and risk. Five of our torpedoes had been wasted, and we were lucky to have survived.

BuOrd was finally forced to admit that something other than incompetent submarine skippers was at fault. Backed by Admiral Nimitz, Admiral Lockwood redoubled his own experiments to determine what was wrong, and little by little the disgraceful facts came to light.

It took BuOrd, run by incompetent dunderheads (these words are used deliberately and advisedly) more than 18 months to fix the problems. In the meantime, until sometime in 1944, we submariners...were working on jury-rigs to solve them."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 03:56 PM (EnKk6)

471
That list grows like the budget of a pernicious "entitlement" or a pointless govt. infrastructure project. This thread each week is not "helping" any!
Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:49 PM (QDnY+)
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Ha!

Is there no way you can get Uncle Shug to pay for your habit?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 03:57 PM (EnKk6)

472 BuOrd was finally forced to admit that something other than incompetent submarine skippers was at fault. Backed by Admiral Nimitz, Admiral Lockwood redoubled his own experiments to determine what was wrong, and little by little the disgraceful facts came to light.

My memory is all jumbly. I think I read a book about a guy named Momsen who invented ways of escaping from sunk submarines and that one of his other accomplishments was convincing the boffins that well aimed torpedos were in fact not sploding and that there was a flaw in the detonation fuses.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 03:59 PM (gIRsn)

473 Hairyback Guy:

May be it's time to un-pronounce "Palestine" and be done with it as I only know the area as Israel.

Welllll, whereas the League of Nations no longer exists-- any and all of their proclamations should be void, yes?

Glad the info was useful to you.

I'll leave it at that because, other than Israel (the only *civilized* part/people of that region, IMO), I truly do not give a tinker's damn about the middle east and would welcome a sparkly new glass parking lot/skating rink.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 12, 2017 03:59 PM (044Fx)

474 All this book talk reminds me of what I used to read as a kid. Main on the list are Howard Pease tramp steamer novels with Tod Moran.

Also read, over and over, the Tarzan novels by Burrows. Still have a couple of them, mostly held together by tape now. Early 20th century prose seems really stilted now.

http://tinyurl.com/jgh8f5v

Posted by: Javems at March 12, 2017 03:59 PM (yOqwj)

475 Anyone resort to cannibalism yet?

Eat me!

Posted by: Mr Inappropriate Comment at March 12, 2017 03:59 PM (IcT7t)

476 jd will, hmmm - not sure I can either verify or dispute that review. The Glantz book does have lots of tabular and other data in great detail about Soviet military unit equipment and status prior to June 21 - as well as text with snippets of performance and loss data up through about July.

I'd have to look again, but the maps are mostly 10,000-foot bird's eye views of military districts and deployments - don't recall the detail being *that* extensive.

Definitely a book to read for anyone geeking out on a snap-shot of Soviet readiness on June 21, as well as some explanatory material putting it in context (including some interesting if summarized perspective on top military personalities/commanders who influenced things in that period).

So I recommend reading the book, but don't expect to be drawn irresistibly through it as I was with, say, most of the Hornfischer naval histories or Stargardt's "The German War," just to pick two recent (for me) examples.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 04:00 PM (QDnY+)

477 I remember "Torpedo Junction" by Homer Hickam as being a pretty good book about submarine attacks on the U.S., but it's been a while. I know he dove to some of the wrecks.

Someone donated in memory of my mother enough to the Gideons to cover 55 Bibles. When I stay in a hotel, I look to see if her name is in the Bible.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at March 12, 2017 04:02 PM (THS4q)

478 And it isn't in my local library system. Hmmm. Need to write that one down for alternative sourcing.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 03:51 PM (QDnY+)

Aw, that's sad

not even in the inter-library loan system? It's pretty well-known.

If you think you'd like it, you probably will. It's pure badass with enough British understatement to... do a thing that requires a lot of British understatement. It's not exactly "I cursed myself for spending the last 20 days convulsing in malarial fever and chills while hallucinating because I missed the cricket scores" but it's pretty close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Spencer_Chapman

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 04:02 PM (8nWyX)

479 Re the Mk. 14, once the problems were solved, became a mainstay, at least through the mid-'70's. It was the only combat-proven torpedo in the inventory.

Each submarine squadron was limited to one loss per quarter. Much effort was put into recovering them after a practice firing. Losing one caused much wailing, gnashing of mandibles, and general dyspepsia.

I heard a story that they put the blueprints out for bid. What cost approximately $25K/copy in 1944 was bid at $2.5M in the early '70's.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 12, 2017 04:03 PM (DMUuz)

480 Anyone resort to cannibalism yet?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:32 PM

This site, for some reason, is responsible for an amazingly large number of invitations to do so.

Posted by: Bag O'Dicks at March 12, 2017 04:05 PM (DMUuz)

481 Viktor Suvorov makes a more provocative argument which I am evaluating.

Posted by: jd will at March 12, 2017 03:51 PM (EEqRQ)
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Recommend exercising care regarding anything asserted by Suvorov. His most outrageous claim (repeated in several books - a defector must make a living) is that the Soviets had 1 million paratroops ready for use - that is part of his analysis that the Red Army was focused exclusively on the offensive. Of course that is absurd. They had closer to 30-40,000 paratroops available.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 04:06 PM (OmhcY)

482 Eris, where's that very interesting snippet from? Beach's book?

Silent Victory has a pretty good running account of the torpedo problem, as I recall.

Good point, hogmartin, re the Mk14 being all in BuOrd's hands. It was Lockwood's tests plus all the skipper's reports (plus I'm guessing Nimitz's usual canny judgement) that finally turned the tide.

And as a memory test, Bander, I think it was both the fuzing system (warheads designed to explode underneath the target, the ideal approach for breaking a ship's back) AND the exploder used for direct contact hits that were defective.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 04:07 PM (QDnY+)

483 JTB and others interested in the Bible, you need to read FF Bruce's History of the Bible in English. Excellent, a friend of mine uses it in her university course on the Bible as literature (when her department allows it to be offered).
As for myself, I just discovered a wonderful set of youtube videos featuring historian Ruth Goodman. So far I have watched "The Victorian Farm", "Tudor Monastery Farm" and "Tales from the Green Valley" which recreates a small 1620 Welsh border farm. I just ordered the companion books for the first two and have started "How to be a Victorian from Dawn to Dusk" - fascinating. Focuses on daily life, how-did-they-manage stuff. In the video, Mrs. Goodman is delightfully funny and down-to-earth. Well, well worth the time.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at March 12, 2017 04:08 PM (Tcfj+)

484
My memory is all jumbly. I think I read a book about a guy named Momsen who invented ways of escaping from sunk submarines and that one of his other accomplishments was convincing the boffins that well aimed torpedos were in fact not sploding and that there was a flaw in the detonation fuses.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 12, 2017 03:59 PM (gIRsn)

Only the best brain cells survived, obviously.

Another good intro book is the slender Osprey volume "U.S. Submarine Crewman 1941-45"

You know who was in the submarine force? Bernie Schwartz, a.k.a. Tony Curtis. He was on a sub tender, the USS Proteus, and witnessed the surrender of the Japanese from his ship in Tokyo Harbor.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 04:13 PM (EnKk6)

485 It took BuOrd, run by incompetent dunderheads (these words are used deliberately and advisedly) more than 18 months to fix the problems. In the meantime, until sometime in 1944, we submariners...were working on jury-rigs to solve them."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 03:56 PM (EnKk6)

Part of the problem was that BuOrd was producing so small a number of torpedoes leading up to the war that it was expensive to test and to even train with them. That's why I'm always skeptical of any weapon's system that is small in number with limited testing. Sure it may work as designed. Then again it could be the torpedo fiasco again.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 12, 2017 04:13 PM (J70i0)

486 Mk14 in brief:

BuOrd didn't have the budget for live fires, so they shot off some torpedoes with concrete dummy warheads and called it a day. Except Torpex and concrete don't have the same density, so live torpedoes ran about 10 feet deeper than they were set. Then there was a super-secret magnetic detonator, to set them off as they passed under a target's keel. Breaking a ship's back beats punching a hole in it and bypasses belt armor. Except it was so secret that nobody in the fleet was trained on using or maintaining it, and since magnetic fields vary around the world, lots of them just blew up yards from the target or didn't go off at all. OK! Set the torpedoes to run on the surface, disable the magnetic detonator. They'll run at 10 feet, and the impact detonator will set them off. Except the firing pin in the impact detonator had so much inertia that a textbook perfect 90 degree hit will deform it before it can set of the explosive. Finally, they had an unnerving tendency to go gyro screwy and just spin in circles, which means that, given relative speeds and turning radii, it will turn around and just hit you.

None of the problems by themselves were insurmountable, but getting BuOrd to stop blaming 'incompetent' skippers (who had won fleet-wide prewar torpedo exercises) and pout back to their drafting tables took waaaay too long.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 12, 2017 04:13 PM (8nWyX)

487 Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2017 04:07 PM (QDnY+)

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Yes, page 142 of Salt and Steel.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 12, 2017 04:14 PM (EnKk6)

488 I read Anya Seton in his school too and really liked her books.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2017 04:18 PM (fDdVG)

489 Recommend exercising care regarding anything asserted by Suvorov.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 12, 2017 04:06 PM (OmhcY)

Agreed. One bias Suvorov shows is a streak of Russian pride based on how he discusses the Soviet performance in Khalkhin Gol and Finland, among other things. Still, he raises some intriguing questions about what Stalin was up to; type of armaments; mix of forces, supplying Germany oil; allowing Germany to train tankers and pilots in Russia in the 30's, for example.

Posted by: jd will at March 12, 2017 04:24 PM (EEqRQ)

490 "Still, he raises some intriguing questions about what Stalin was up to"

Equipping and encouraging Hitler to strike westward.

Stalin figured the long run strategic calculus of such would work out to Soviet benefit no matter what happened in the actual fighting.

One need not endorse all of Suvorov's hypotheses to be able to discern this broad outline of intent.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 12, 2017 04:34 PM (noWW6)

491 McCarry's "Lucky Bastard" is hilarious and probably contains more truth about the Clintons than 99% of the mush that the MFM spewed up.

Posted by: Outside Adjitator at March 12, 2017 04:40 PM (hbvkG)

492 Wenda -- you can certainly email Dean, or you can comment on his blog posts. You probably aren't the first person to wonder where to start.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at March 12, 2017 04:41 PM (mDjbp)

493 Posted by: Javems at March 12, 2017 03:59 PM (yOqwj)

I think that is the merchant marine series I devoured as a kid, I had forgotten the name. There was another merchant marine novel (and a series IIRC) that was more grown up, but all I can remember now is that I think the author's last name started with a "W" and I stumbled across the book while wandering through the stacks at the local library.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2017 04:46 PM (gwPgz)

494 Like the Wendy's lady says, "Where's the Beouf???" Right here, toots.
Posted by: Shia LaBeouf
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You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

Posted by: Clara Peller at March 12, 2017 04:50 PM (ZO497)

495
Part of the problem was that BuOrd was producing so small a number of torpedoes leading up to the war that it was expensive to test and to even train with them. That's why I'm always skeptical of any weapon's system that is small in number with limited testing. Sure it may work as designed. Then again it could be the torpedo fiasco again.
Posted by: WOPR

Posted by: Sgt York vehicle at March 12, 2017 04:53 PM (ZO497)

496 Anyone resort to cannibalism yet?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 12, 2017 03:32 PM (kTF2Z) {/i]

Resort?

No....no. Not resort.

I will say one thing for Norwegians though-

when diced into half-inch cubes,

they make a fine goulash.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 05:06 PM (9q7Dl)

497

Barrel Escape?

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 05:07 PM (9q7Dl)

498 Barrel escape!

Posted by: naturalfake at March 12, 2017 05:07 PM (9q7Dl)

499 Thanks, Sabrina--I have emailed Dean. The business master class looks like exactly what I need.

And again, congratulations on your February achievements.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at March 12, 2017 05:56 PM (Kr0FZ)

500 Yes. Manspreading it is.

Posted by: JAS at March 12, 2017 06:13 PM (Kresa)

501 For anyone looking for "Americana flintlock fantasy", I would recommend David Drake's "Old Nathan". The title character is a 'cunning man' or hedge wizard who boasts that he is "The Devil's Master". He is a veteran of the Revolutionary War and lives in a frontier settlement in the Tennessee Territory. The general tone of the stories is grim (as is usually the case with Drake's work) but Drake is a master story teller and he well knows the period where he sets these tales.

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at March 12, 2017 06:49 PM (khzs0)

502 500!

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503 Posted by: grammie winger at March 12, 2017 03:11 PM (dFi94)

Got back to this late. If you see this or me around I can probably give you some good info. Form and safety is super important, but if you fall in love with KBs like I did, it's worth it.

Posted by: Trump nominees in waiting at March 12, 2017 08:21 PM (OU4q6)

504 Don't know about that manuscript book. In 1751 there was no kingdom of Germany nor of Italy. Prussia should be listed. Germany and Italy came along a century later.

Posted by: TexTaz02 at March 13, 2017 07:27 AM (/sOK2)

505 I want to thank everyone for being so generous. In helming me last month.

I pulled through and am having a pacemaker today

Please let me know if you liked Code Name Scarlet

Posted by: Richard Loery at April 10, 2017 08:31 AM (sQMul)

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