Trump Signs New Revised Travel Ban

Iraq is now off the list of countries affected by the ban. Instead, Trump says Iraq will cooperate more in helping vet their travelers.

It also makes clear that Green Card holders or people who have already gotten a Visa are exempt.

Finally, it bars all travelers from the six named countries from coming to the US for 120 days. The previous order had banned Syrian travelers indefinitely.

I don't think any of these changes have any legal ramifications. The Ninth Circuit ruled this was illegal based on... well, based on patently extra-legal grounds. But I don't see those grounds being affected by what I know if the new EO so far (which is very little).

I had heard that Trump was going to release an EO that could not be described in any other way but BALLER. A little disappointed that he didn't go that way, though that would have been controversial AF.

Full Text:Here at the NYT. (I'll swap in another link when I find it.)

The order itself contains a legal rebuttal to the Ninth Circus' claims, while not changing the basics of the order to what the Ninth Circus would consider acceptable. The order seems to just be trying to make it very difficult for the Ninth Circuit to strike this one down without giving the game away that they're simply now acting as Super-Presidents who are simply vetoing policies they don't like because #TheResistance demands no less.

Secretary of State Tillerson, AG Jeff Sessions Speak On the Travel Restriction. Clips below.

WATCH highlights from details regarding @POTUS administration's revised travel ban. https://t.co/WPQ5nzWRyT pic.twitter.com/93QutBld3s
— Fox News (@FoxNews) March 6, 2017

The restrictions don't go into effect for another ten days. And now Trump has his secretaries out there talking it up. It seems they've taken the criticism that you have to give your would-be allies a heads-up on your moves before you make them has been accepted.

Posted by: Ace at 12:05 PM

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1 Nood.

Posted by: golfman at March 06, 2017 12:06 PM (k0S3A)

2 We know. We heard it on the intercepts as they were drafting it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 06, 2017 12:06 PM (sF/De)

3 So PDT is not cowering in his bunker. Good.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 06, 2017 12:07 PM (dQJCS)

4 Just shut out everyone and quit quibbling.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 06, 2017 12:07 PM (i0ykY)

5 Sounds like a tax to me!

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at March 06, 2017 12:07 PM (BrQrN)

6 Somebody is unclear on the concept.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2017 12:08 PM (WDdjT)

7 Hey baby - it's officially ON

Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2017 12:08 PM (nNdYv)

8 You know who signed an EO after the courts ruled his previous EO was unconstitutional?

Hitler.

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Sorry, just anticipating a response based on the tone of discourse nowadays.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 06, 2017 12:08 PM (KUaJL)

9 And how long until the 9th circus slaps an injunction on it? End of the day would be my guess.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 06, 2017 12:09 PM (kTF2Z)

10 9 And how long until the 9th circus slaps an injunction on it? End of the day would be my guess.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 06, 2017 12:09 PM (kTF2Z)

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How much you want to bet that Trump's already gamed that out and has a good US attorney ready to fight for it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:10 PM (mC1ZI)

11 Stayed.

Posted by: 9th circuit at March 06, 2017 12:10 PM (oGRue)

12 1 Nood.
Posted by: golfman at March 06, 2017 12:06 PM (k0S3A)

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One comment, and we already have another nood?

Damn, Ace is moving fast today.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:10 PM (mC1ZI)

13 You know who are not on the travel ban??

The Russians, that's who.

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (QM5S2)

14 "How much you want to bet that Trump's already gamed that out and has a good US attorney ready to fight for it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017"

Can he just deputize Kurt Schlichter and let him argue it?

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (OD2ni)

15 Does this one specifically ban Muslims and admit to being racist? At least then the media can claim to be psychic instead of just making shit up.

Posted by: Damiano at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (71OEY)

16 The real story being that local middle-management judges have federal powers equal to the President of the United States.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (/f1mm)

17 One comment, and we already have another nood?

Damn, Ace is moving fast today.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:10 PM (mC1ZI)

Is it bad that I refreshed the main page, just to make sure?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (KUaJL)

18 To those who are willing to betray the well-being, health, happiness, and security of actual American citizens just to feel smug about their cause...

May the barbed c0ck of Shaitan be shoved up your glory hole will all the thermonuclear fire of an H-bomb.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (GwOXV)

19 14
Can he just deputize Kurt Schlichter and let him argue it?
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (OD2ni)

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Would Kurt take the pay cut?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (mC1ZI)

20 motions to appeal are stayed. Or moot. Or stoopid.

Posted by: 9th circuit at March 06, 2017 12:12 PM (oGRue)

21 Doesn't matter what it says, it will be stopped... We know Trump has the law with Him but since when does that matter to the "courts "?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:12 PM (O2RFr)

22 How much you want to bet that Trump's already gamed that out and has a good US attorney ready to fight for it?

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A phrase we'd better hear several times at the hearing:

That's not the matter before the court, your honor.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 06, 2017 12:12 PM (kTF2Z)

23 So my trip to Hawaii is back on? Always sketchy visiting a new country.

Posted by: IP at March 06, 2017 12:12 PM (yV4wg)

24 17
Is it bad that I refreshed the main page, just to make sure?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (KUaJL)

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Stompening is a storied tradition at the HQ, so no.

It was actually very logical.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:12 PM (mC1ZI)

25 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at March 06, 2017 12:12 PM (DMUuz)

26 The new order should not have exempted people who have already obtained a visa. A visa is just a document that says the staff at some embassy that says they think you are qualified for entry into the US and have their permission to present yourself at the border for consideration. It is NOT a guarantee of entry nor does it grant its holder the right of entry.

I do not trust embassy staff to catch all people who should not be granted entrance into the US.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 06, 2017 12:12 PM (geAkB)

27 This EO violates Chaplinsky.

Posted by: Chris Cuomo at March 06, 2017 12:13 PM (OD2ni)

28 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!
__________________________

nope.

Posted by: IP at March 06, 2017 12:13 PM (yV4wg)

29 So this is designed to address the objections raised by the Ninth Circuit is their illegal blockage of his previous EO, right? Which means that cutting off the flow of muzzie terrorists into the USA, which is an urgent matter, takes precedence over whacking down a jumped-up Ninth Circus, which could take a long time, and would be better addressed once Gorsuch is on the bench.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2017 12:13 PM (WDdjT)

30 May the barbed c0ck of Shaitan be shoved up your glory hole will all the thermonuclear fire of an H-bomb.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (GwOXV)

We are making every attempt to facilitate your wishes. We have plenty of money and cutting edge technology, many thanks to your Preznit.

Posted by: Iran's Mullahs at March 06, 2017 12:13 PM (i0ykY)

31 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb

Please clap

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:13 PM (O2RFr)

32 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: XPO172 at March 06, 2017 12:14 PM (1PDwB)

33 In other news Deep State is in Deep Shit over Deep Throat revelations.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 06, 2017 12:14 PM (nFwvY)

34 BALLERs!!!!

Turned out that show wasn't too bad......

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 06, 2017 12:14 PM (jjaLl)

35 Does this EO violate the Logan Act?

If it's a possibility, we should investigate it.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 06, 2017 12:14 PM (KUaJL)

36 "Would Kurt take the pay cut?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison"

Heh. Probably not. But I can dream. I wonder what Clock Boy thinks about Kurt's hourly rate.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 06, 2017 12:15 PM (OD2ni)

37 people who have already gotten a Visa are exempt.

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This is clearly unfair

Posted by: Mastercard at March 06, 2017 12:15 PM (oGRue)

38 Did You all see Drudge headline with CNN having a spy cam in
the Oval Office?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (O2RFr)

39 How does an administration fight the "deep state". How does Trump fight those inside intelligence that are working for Obama that can't be fired just because?

Posted by: Jaimo at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (9U1OG)

40 >>> Doesn't matter what it says, it will be stopped... We know Trump has the law with Him but since when does that matter to the "courts "?
.......

We don't care what the actual order says. Our feels and several SJWs tell us that it's an anti Muslim dog whistle and we must both invent and make up rights to defend for foreigners.
~ 9th Circuit

Is it a tax? I only approve of taxes. I don't see any taxes here.
~ Dred Justice Roberts

Posted by: Damiano at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (71OEY)

41 I had heard that Trump was going to release an EO that could not be described in any other way but BALLER.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (OD2ni)

42 16 The real story being that local middle-management judges have federal powers equal to the President of the United States.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (/f1mm)

Come to think of it, the real story might be that everyone everywhere is covered by the Constitution of the United States of America.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (/f1mm)

43 This EO doesn't seem so controversial now, does it? Its almost relatively calming.

Posted by: tommylotto at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (A3a8d)

44 39 How does an administration fight the "deep state". How does Trump fight those inside intelligence that are working for Obama that can't be fired just because?

Firing squad...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (O2RFr)

45 You know who are not on the travel ban??

The Russians, that's who.

And the Germans. And by Germans, I mean Nazis.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:17 PM (PY9jH)

46 This is clearly unfair

Posted by: Mastercard at March 06, 2017 12:15 PM (oGRue)

Get the Unamerican Express card!

I never leave home without it.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 06, 2017 12:17 PM (WDdjT)

47 Does anyone have a reliable source on this Trump claim that Trump tower was bugged?

There doesn't seem to any credible evidence so far that he was being bugged. Was their a FISA Court order or not?

And, shouldn't Trump - being the, you know, leader of the fucking country - know for sure whether this is true or not? Or is he just taking whatever Mark Levin says for fact?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:17 PM (so+oy)

48 Ace,

I just sent you the text of the EO.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2017 12:17 PM (B+qrE)

49 Donna, that's fine by me.

Posted by: Jaimo at March 06, 2017 12:17 PM (9U1OG)

50 Are the Irish still welcome? You know, asking for a friend.

Posted by: IP at March 06, 2017 12:18 PM (yV4wg)

51 My thoughts too Chi-Town. Where is all this info coming from and why haven't we all been told where it's coming from?

Posted by: Jaimo at March 06, 2017 12:18 PM (9U1OG)

52 And the Germans. And by Germans, I mean Nazis.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
...........
I hate Nazis..

Posted by: Joliet Jake Blues at March 06, 2017 12:18 PM (so+oy)

53 38
Did You all see Drudge headline with CNN having a spy cam in

the Oval Office?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (O2RFr)

I clicked on the link and the headline is a tad misleading. The video is clearly from and outside view point looking through a window or door.

Posted by: Tami at March 06, 2017 12:19 PM (Enq6K)

54 But Trump is tweeting!1!!1!1!1!!1

Posted by: Widespread punched baby dicks at March 06, 2017 12:19 PM (2qHjF)

55 Firing squad...

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make it a platoon, just to be sure

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 06, 2017 12:19 PM (oGRue)

56 I had heard that Trump was going to release an EO that could not be described in any other way but BALLER.

Is that anything like "BALLSIER?"

Or is this some new word you 29-year old kids are saying these days?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2017 12:19 PM (X6fMO)

57 "You were in a blue dress and the Germans were in gray."

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:19 PM (GwOXV)

58 I clicked on the link and the headline is a tad misleading. The video is clearly from and outside view point looking through a window or door.

I see.... Evidently so do they...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (O2RFr)

59 I never leave home without it.

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Indonesia or Kenya?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (oGRue)

60 I hate Nazis..

Posted by: Joliet Jake Blues at March 06, 2017 12:18 PM (so+oy

Me, too.

Posted by: Indiana Jones at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (yXZIP)

61
Define "baller."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (mbhDw)

62 50 Are the Irish still welcome?

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still?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (oGRue)

63 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!

Yes. Stop moving, dammit!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (X6fMO)

64 ace previous order did not ban Syrian immigrants indefinitely.

Only refugees.

The original EO dealt with immigrants and refugees separately. Immigration from the "7 countries" for 90 days, refugees from all countries 120 days, refugees from Syria indefinitely.

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (tewYv)

65 >>44
39 How does an administration fight the "deep state". How does Trump
fight those inside intelligence that are working for Obama that can't be
fired just because?

How? With a squad of ape cavalry, a small but aggressive scientific community interested in lobotomy experimentation and human speech, and an improbably-half-buried Statue of Liberty on a deserted beach.

That's how.

Posted by: General Zod at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (Bdeb0)

66 I'm concerned about the following language from the EO:

"It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from terrorist attacks."

If you replace "Unites States" with "Russia" and translate it to Russian, it reads very close to one of Putin's prior statements.

What role did Russia (or Putin personally) play in the drafting of this EO?

Posted by: Undocumented at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (OmhcY)

67 55 Firing squad...

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make it a platoon, just to be sure
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 06, 2017 12:19 PM (oGRue)
***
Didn't know you were Romanian:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Nicolae_and_Elena_Ceau%C8%99escu#Execution

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (/33sy)

68 60 I hate Nazis..

Posted by: Joliet Jake Blues at March 06, 2017 12:18 PM (so+oy

Me, too.

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Get in line

Posted by: Poles at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (oGRue)

69 Jimmy Madison might be just a little light in his loafers.

Posted by: Stuff Andrew Jackson Said, Vol II at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (97XyN)

70 Eh, this might be the best way. Send it out, let the 9th Circus pull their next stunt, confirm Gorsuch in the interim, give him a chance to prove that confirming him was a good idea (or not). Something similar to this was going to the SCOTUS in any event so it's better to have the time to get Gorsuch in place.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (RD7QR)

71 *hands MPPPP a giant fly-swatter*

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (GwOXV)

72 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (GwIKd)

73 Is Amazon gearing up to fight this one, too?

Posted by: josephistan at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (7HtZB)

74 69 Jimmy Madison might be just a little light in his loafers.
Posted by: Stuff Andrew Jackson Said, Vol II at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (97XyN)

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What the...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (mC1ZI)

75 Who busted out the margins?

Posted by: Yo! at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (GwIKd)

76 >>61 Define "baller."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (mbhDw)

Babe Ruth hitting a homerun: Ball.
Babe Ruth pointing to the specific fence his homer is gonna clear: Baller.

Posted by: General Zod at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (Bdeb0)

77 >> I hate Nazis..

These guys aren't Nazis, Donny, they're cowards.

Posted by: Walter K. Sobchek at March 06, 2017 12:23 PM (eGfTO)

78 Jimmy Madison might be just a little light in his loafers.

Posted by: Stuff Andrew Jackson Said, Vol II at March 06, 2017 12:21 PM (97XyN)

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he said something along the lines of "I shit bigger than John Quincy Adams."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2017 12:23 PM (X6fMO)

79 Is Amazon gearing up to fight this one, too?

You can tell it was written to swat down all the 9th's stupid points. We'll see if it sticks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2017 12:23 PM (B+qrE)

80 And, shouldn't Trump - being the, you know, leader of the fucking country - know for sure whether this is true or not? Or is he just taking whatever Mark Levin says for fact?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:17 PM (so+oy)

You know for a fact that Trump is 1) wrong and 2) going on what Levin said?

Flynn's conversation was tapped. We know this. The Dems claimed that the transcript was the reason for the scalp.

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:24 PM (tewYv)

81 61
Define "baller."

Michael Irvin, a former NFL wide receiver whose sex life became a major national story of unending interest at the same time the media was telling us Bill Clinton's sex life was nobody's business.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 06, 2017 12:24 PM (nFwvY)

82 Who busted out the margins?
Posted by: Yo! at March 06, 2017 12:22 PM (GwIKd)

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See #67.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 06, 2017 12:24 PM (v0mnF)

83 When Chuckie Schumer is telling us there was no wiretapping, you can take it to the bank there was wiretapping.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (PY9jH)

84 >>61 Define "baller."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (mbhDw)

Trump grabbing pussy: Ball

Trump sending out engraved invitations to the grabbing: Baller

Posted by: josephistan at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (7HtZB)

85 Probably no accident that TSA has decided to get nastier on their grab-n-grope search technique.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (0tfLf)

86 I still don't understand why liberals are so fanatical about wanting to bring terrorists and criminals here. I guess to have something to energize the base about? So if conservatives disagree, they can accuse them of racism and get their people all enthusiastic.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (vRcUp)

87 It takes 6-8 months to obtain a fianc� or spousal visa from the Philippines (it used to take 8-10 months). It can take longer, sometimes a little faster depending on the BACKGROUND CHECKS for the sponsor and 'immigrant' (k-1 or fianc� visa is a non-immigrant visa). I guess it can now take at least 120 days longer to obtain any type of visa from any country.

Liberal are idiots.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (yXZIP)

88 This certainly isn't very presidential.

Posted by: JockoHomo at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (IqV8l)

89 The Dems claimed that the transcript was the reason for the scalp.

Which was a bald-faced lie.

As is the "Jeff Sessions misled Congress" trope that the National Laughingstock published today.

There is stench of desperation in the air, people.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2017 12:26 PM (B+qrE)

90 39 How does an administration fight the "deep state". How does Trump fight those inside intelligence that are working for Obama that can't be fired just because?

Posted by: Jaimo at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (9U1OG)

He pays them $1 per year as their new salary and throws a few leakers in jail right off the bat.

Then, as someone else said, gather a room full of potential leakers for a fifteen minute meeting and carry six pardons in with you. Explain to the employees what is about to happen, and that there are six, and only six pardons.

It would work a lot like illegals leaving the US right now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 06, 2017 12:26 PM (/f1mm)

91 Injunction Junction
What's my function

Posted by: 9th circuit at March 06, 2017 12:26 PM (oGRue)

92 Bottom line: how will this effect us getting those mail-order Russian brides we were promised?

Posted by: josephistan at March 06, 2017 12:26 PM (7HtZB)

93 Probably no accident that TSA has decided to get nastier on their grab-n-grope search technique.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (0tfLf)

I think I'll just skip wearing a bra and panties when I go through security in April.

Don't want the pervy wymyn who always feel me up to have to work too hard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:27 PM (PY9jH)

94
This isn't winning. This is accepting the 9th circus making the rules.

Posted by: Hiram Nachtminder at March 06, 2017 12:27 PM (GxnyS)

95 62 50 Are the Irish still welcome?

O'Possum is relatively harmless.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at March 06, 2017 12:27 PM (yXZIP)

96 "I don't think any of these changes have any legal ramifications."

Disagree. The initial Seattle ruling conflated lots of things to get to its result. e.g Green Card holders have some Constitutional rights, therefore everyone affected by the EO has Constitutional rights, even a Yemeni who's never been to the US. Harder to back-door standing.

The Seattle judge also said that no one from the seven countries had ever been involved in domestic US terrorism, which is false. I'm sure the new EO covers this.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 12:27 PM (SIY7D)

97 86 I still don't understand why liberals are so fanatical about wanting to bring terrorists and criminals here. I guess to have something to energize the base about? So if conservatives disagree, they can accuse them of racism and get their people all enthusiastic.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (vRcUp)

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Assume that they don't believe that terrorists are in the groups of immigrants. Then assume that they believe that terrorism is a result of poverty. Then assume that America will lead them to a better life than before.

The assumptions are almost all wrong and built on a very poor foundation, but it is possible to think that they honestly don't want terrorists to come in and that we should welcome everyone at the same time.

It's less malicious and more stupid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:27 PM (mC1ZI)

98 Flynn's conversation was tapped. We know this. The Dems claimed that the transcript was the reason for the scalp.

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:24 PM (tewYv)

Liz Warren: Who gottum scalp? Me thought that was my job

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2017 12:28 PM (493sH)

99 Bottom line: how will this effect us getting those mail-order Russian brides we were promised?
Posted by: josephistan at March 06, 2017 12:26 PM (7HtZB)
______________________________________

The Moose didn't tell you?
They'll be subbed for Irish.

Posted by: IP at March 06, 2017 12:28 PM (yV4wg)

100 92 Bottom line: how will this effect us getting those mail-order Russian brides we were promised?
Posted by: josephistan at March 06, 2017 12:26 PM (7HtZB)

They're submissive, you know.

Posted by: The National Laughingstock at March 06, 2017 12:28 PM (RD7QR)

101 >>Are the Irish still welcome?

Maybe. In Ireland.

Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2017 12:28 PM (eGfTO)

102 I cannot wait for leftist companies to howl again that this impacts their ability to hire. Because everyone knows that Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Sudan are just full of highly educated tech workers.

* Yes Iran does have skilled workers, but they are the biggest terror sponsor state also. Plus the new harder H1B process mutes the argument anyway but I suspect that will not stop these lefty outfits who want a global government to quash any upstart competitors.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 06, 2017 12:28 PM (Jen0I)

103 Moron Robbie For Special Prosecutor

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 06, 2017 12:28 PM (swEzU)

104 "It would be superfluous in me to point out to your lordship that this is war."

Charles Francis Adams, Sr.

Back in the day when words meant things.

Posted by: mrp at March 06, 2017 12:29 PM (Pqytn)

105 You know for a fact that Trump is 1) wrong and 2) going on what Levin said?

Flynn's conversation was tapped. We know this. The Dems claimed that the transcript was the reason for the scalp.
Posted by: blaster

Of course I don't know that.

But Flynn's conversation was NOT specifically tapped. The Russian Ambassador was routinely being tapped. Flynn was stupid enough to know this - which he should have with his experience.

But i Trump had evidence, it would have surfaced by now. Show us the FISA order.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:29 PM (so+oy)

106 This isn't winning. This is accepting the 9th circus making the rules.

No, this is making sure that a) they can't use the same reasons and b) even if they do Gorsuch will be confirmed by then.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2017 12:29 PM (B+qrE)

107 I still don't understand why liberals are so fanatical about wanting to bring terrorists and criminals here.

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birds of a feather

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (oGRue)

108 Jane,
That's why I go commando.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (0tfLf)

109 The Progtard Liberals are living in a soap bubble made of assumptions.

Reality is far far different. One just has to look up the crime wave the resulted from the Mariel Boat Lift to realize that point of Truth.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (GwOXV)

110 86 I still don't understand why liberals are so fanatical about wanting to bring terrorists and criminals here. I guess to have something to energize the base about? So if conservatives disagree, they can accuse them of racism and get their people all enthusiastic.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 06, 2017 12:25 PM (vRcUp)

You say up and they say down. That's how partisanship works

Posted by: ed gibbon at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (jv7wA)

111 Are the Irish still welcome?

Maybe. In Ireland.

Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2017 12:28 PM (eGfTO)

not true, welcome here on 3/17

Posted by: runner at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (c6/9Q)

112 Jane,

That's why I go commando.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (0tfLf)

Free-ballin'

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (PY9jH)

113 53 38
Did You all see Drudge headline with CNN having a spy cam in

the Oval Office?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:16 PM (O2RFr)

I clicked on the link and the headline is a tad misleading. The video is clearly from and outside view point looking through a window or door.
Posted by: Tami at March 06, 2017 12:19 PM (Enq6K)

Its still the same as a neighbor filming you through your bedroom windows... and of course its all your fault for not pulling the drapes... when its already behind a wall....

Spying on the POTUS... I guess its OK because its Trump?

Posted by: Don Q. at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (NgKpN)

114 Yes. There's no way a FISA warrant could be so misused as they're only for e.g. an anticipated terrorist attack and not for crap like taking bribes from Russians! Read my sock link to see how this could never happen, ever!

Posted by: Concerny Concern McConcernyson at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (nlbfN)

115 108 Jane,
That's why I go commando.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (0tfLf)

Dude. TMI.

Posted by: The National Laughingstock at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (RD7QR)

116 109 The Progtard Liberals are living in a soap bubble made of assumptions.

Reality is far far different. One just has to look up the crime wave the resulted from the Mariel Boat Lift to realize that point of Truth.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (GwOXV)

=====================

Cognitive dissonance.

They'd have to acknowledge that they're wrong. That can be hard to do.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (mC1ZI)

117 Elbonia has far more skilled IT workers than Yemen or Somalia.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (GwOXV)

118 112. The cool comfort of an unfurnished basement.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (/33sy)

119 But i Trump had evidence, it would have surfaced by now. Show us the FISA order.

Well...since it's classified and guarded by Obama's goons....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (B+qrE)

120 That's why I go commando.

---

You kill me

Posted by: Sully at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (oGRue)

121 Jane,

That's why I go commando.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (0tfLf)

Free-ballin'

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM

And I wear a kilt!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (0tfLf)

122
Fake News: "With No Evidence Trump Says...."

I never ever heard the Fake News say this when Democrats say shit with "no evidence."

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (zYzYo)

123 Heather Nauert from FNC hired as State Dept spokewoman. Much cuter than Marie Harf.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (OD2ni)

124 It takes 6-8 months to obtain a fiance or spousal visa from the Philippines (it used to take 8-10 months). It can take longer, sometimes a little faster depending on the BACKGROUND CHECKS for the sponsor and 'immigrant' (k-1 or fiance visa is a non-immigrant visa). I guess it can now take at least 120 days longer to obtain any type of visa from any country.

Get any visa from a background check requiring a records check from Aleppo.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (/B2KC)

125 I won't know what to think til Marie Harff weighs in.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (kTF2Z)

126 >>61Define "baller." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2017 12:20 PM (mbhDw)

Truman dropping Little Boy on the Japs: Ball.
Truman tweeting "Checkmate!" to Hirohito just before Fat Man: Baller.

Posted by: General Zod at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (Bdeb0)

127 you don't need a FISA to spy through a window !

-TimeWarner's CNN

Posted by: runner at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (c6/9Q)

128 We need a thread to roundly mock Mika Brzzzzzzzzinsi.

What a pathetic tool. I guess she's in capable of powering through the Age of Trump. Grrrrrllll power, my ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (PY9jH)

129 118 112. The cool comfort of an unfurnished basement.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (/33sy)

Almost as cool as hardwood!

Posted by: Lena "Always TMI" Dunham at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (RD7QR)

130 I just hope Trump didn't make this claim from something he read on Breitbart or something along those lines. He will have shattered his credibility

For the record, I think Obama was monitoring his people, and all the body language and careful denials seem to indicate something is there.

Still, there better be a smoking gun

Posted by: Utopia at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (9GvzK)

131 >>But i Trump had evidence, it would have surfaced by now. Show us the FISA order.

Seriously? This isn't news. The frigging New York Times reported on this back when it happened in October.

Here's another source from last November that isn't behind a paywall.

http://tinyurl.com/gus84mb

How is it possible that people still don't know this happened when it was reported on widely at the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (/tuJf)

132 Still waiting for the left to square the circle on Obama's unilateral revocation of the Wet/Dry Foot Cuban Policy...

Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2017 12:33 PM (eGfTO)

133 We need a thread to roundly mock Mika Brzzzzzzzzinsi.

I expected her head to explode... Pity it didn't...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:33 PM (O2RFr)

134 But at least we can relax in knowing that these Federal Judges all were independently elected!

Chuckie Schumer - legal genius - told me so.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 06, 2017 12:33 PM (CLKfs)

135 They had transcripts...until they decided they didn't have transcripts after all.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/259038/

Posted by: steevy at March 06, 2017 12:33 PM (r/0kC)

136
When pedo harry reid said Romney doesn't pay taxes, the Fake News didn't spend 4 news cycles saying With No Evidence Harry Reid Claims Romney Doesn't Pay Taxes.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at March 06, 2017 12:33 PM (zYzYo)

137 128 We need a thread to roundly mock Mika Brzzzzzzzzinsi.

What a pathetic tool. I guess she's in capable of powering through the Age of Trump. Grrrrrllll power, my ass.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (PY9jH)

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If following politics is doing this to Mika, perhaps she should stop for her own health.

Maybe she can go to some local news station and cover cat parades. It's probably less stressful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:33 PM (mC1ZI)

138 Jane,

That's why I go commando.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (0tfLf)

Free-ballin'

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:30 PM (PY9jH)

Take Viagra so you're sure to get a boner when they feel you up.

Oh, and yoga pants.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 06, 2017 12:33 PM (9q7Dl)

139 I really do hope TSA goes Grope-A-Matic. It will cause a noticeable dip in paying passengers which will make the airlines scream. And those idiots in Congress do sit up like trained dogs when their campaign money is threatened.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (GwOXV)

140 ace I got to the full text of the new EO.

6 countries for immigration paused 120 days.

ALL countries for refugees, 120 days.

Removed - Syria indefinite suspension for refugees.

Removed - instructions for priority of religious minorities

Added - exception for Iraq for immigration

Added - description of the reasons for the countries being of particular concern

Added - defenses of previous EO

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (tewYv)

141 I'd rather be a hammer than a nail. Yes, I would.

Posted by: shit thomas jefferson tweeted at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (nlbfN)

142
If following politics is doing this to Mika, perhaps she should stop for her own health.

Maybe she can go to some local news station and cover cat parades. It's probably less stressful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Or maybe change careers, say something in the porn related industry.

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (FZYNt)

143 135. That's a nice catch, right there.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (/33sy)

144 But i Trump had evidence, it would have surfaced by now. Show us the FISA order.
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Well...since it's classified and guarded by Obama's goons....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (B+qrE)

And of course, nevertrumpers gotta nevertrump, so yeah, let's demand to know EVERYTHING.

Because, yeah.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (TOk1P)

145 134 But at least we can relax in knowing that these Federal Judges all were independently elected!

Chuckie Schumer - legal genius - told me so.

I heard Him say that... Funny the "media" hasn't called Him on that...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (O2RFr)

146 131 How is it possible that people still don't know this happened when it was reported on widely at the time.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (/tuJf)

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I haven't been following that closely, but isn't part of this whether the taps were legal or not? Whether they actually got anything or not?

Maybe tapping Trump's phones will be politically damaging enough to wipe anything else out, but legally, isn't there going to be an important distinction?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:35 PM (mC1ZI)

147 But i Trump had evidence, it would have surfaced by now. Show us the FISA order.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:29 PM (so+oy)

Thankfully the rules have been recently changed and now Obama has to prove he didn't do it instead.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 06, 2017 12:35 PM (/f1mm)

148 Now if only Trump would call out Patrick Stewart by name and punch him in his baby dick.

Posted by: Fritz at March 06, 2017 12:35 PM (2Mnv1)

149 Mika...as pathetic as her 'ol man Zbigniew.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2017 12:35 PM (0tfLf)

150 Ah, the terribly, terribly concerned one-name trolls are back. And they're concerned!

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 06, 2017 12:35 PM (RD7QR)

151 How to make Mika curl up and whimper on live TV?

Have someone tell her that Ivanka is a Furry.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (GwOXV)

152
Ah, the terribly, terribly concerned one-name trolls are back. And they're concerned!

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 06, 2017 12:35 PM (RD7QR)

Where? *primes flamethrower*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (PY9jH)

153 I expected her head to explode... Pity it didn't...

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that would require something inside her skull pushing out. Implosion more likely.

Posted by: Sully at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (oGRue)

154 #137

If following politics is doing this to Mika, perhaps she should stop for her own health.
====================

Mika misses the good old days, when the Obama WH had a feed directly to her earpiece and they told her exactly what to think and say.

Now she has to think for herself, and that hurts. A lot.

Posted by: mrp at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (Pqytn)

155 "63 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!

Yes. Stop moving, dammit!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing"

LOL !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (Oeb2k)

156 141 I'd rather be a hammer than a nail. Yes, I would.
Posted by: shit thomas jefferson tweeted at March 06, 2017 12:34 PM (nlbfN)
***
Thanks for the ear-worm, Tommy:

https://youtu.be/pey29CLID3I

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (/33sy)

157
Fake News is now just the official media apparatus of the Opposition Party.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at March 06, 2017 12:37 PM (zYzYo)

158 154 Mika misses the good old days, when the Obama WH had a feed directly to her earpiece and they told her exactly what to think and say.

Now she has to think for herself, and that hurts. A lot.
Posted by: mrp at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (Pqytn)

======================

Maybe she's in the wrong business.

Maybe data entry would make her happier.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:37 PM (mC1ZI)

159 Jason Chaffetz on Outnumberd. FFS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:37 PM (PY9jH)

160 148 Now if only Trump would call out Patrick Stewart by name and punch him in his baby dick.
Posted by: Fritz at March 06, 2017 12:35 PM (2Mnv1)

The local AM talk guy had a field day skewering his appearance on "The View." I was laughing so hard, I was glad i wasn't at work.

Posted by: josephistan at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (7HtZB)

161 158 154 Mika misses the good old days, when the Obama WH had a feed directly to her earpiece and they told her exactly what to think and say.

Now she has to think for herself, and that hurts. A lot.
Posted by: mrp at March 06, 2017 12:36 PM (Pqytn)

======================

Maybe she's in the wrong business.

Maybe data entry would make her happier.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:37 PM (mC1ZI)

Mika works the pole at a titty bar in an alternate universe, and she's happy there.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (RD7QR)

162 No, this is making sure that a) they can't use the same reasons and b) even if they do Gorsuch will be confirmed by then.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2017 12:29 PM (B+qrE

I don't think you were going to ever get a ban on LPR and people who already had visas.

Maybe the latter, but the former by granting of LPR status get constitutional rights extended to them.

Now, the policy was that LPR's weren't excluded, but the order had enough holes in it, that someone concocted a case that excluded one and from there the 9th circus was off to the races.

This shores that up and makes it harder for them to say "EVIL!"

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (dzmBR)

163 We need a thread to roundly mock Mika Brzzzzzzzzinsi.

What a pathetic tool. I guess she's in capable of powering through the Age of Trump. Grrrrrllll power, my ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (PY9jH)

Martha Radditz flipped her shit over a comment by Sarah Huckabee. IF!!!! IF!!!! You said IF it happened!!!!! Really foaming at the mouth reaction

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (493sH)

164 He will have shattered his credibility

Posted by: Utopia at March 06, 2017 12:32 PM (9GvzK)

Only with the people who have been actively stomping on it for more than a year now.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (TOk1P)

165 Maybe data entry would make her happier.

She has,a future in telemarketing.

Posted by: JEM at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (TppKb)

166 >>I haven't been following that closely, but isn't part of this whether the taps were legal or not? Whether they actually got anything or not?

>>Maybe tapping Trump's phones will be politically damaging enough to wipe anything else out, but legally, isn't there going to be an important distinction?

No. This is how it works.

Say I want to tap your communications but that would be illegal. I go to the court and get a warrant to tap people I think you might be talking with and then run a 7x24 campaign to make that person evil.

I then leak information that ties you to those people because you might have had some completely innocent communications with them. Scummy death by innuendo but that's not what is illegal.

The illegal part is leaking.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)

167 But Flynn's conversation was NOT specifically tapped. The Russian Ambassador was routinely being tapped. Flynn was stupid enough to know this - which he should have with his experience.

But i Trump had evidence, it would have surfaced by now. Show us the FISA order.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:29 PM (so+oy)

How do you know that Flynn was not the target of that tapping? The presumption - based on no proof! - is that there was routine tapping of Russian ambassador. If that is true - then there was no FISA order on that.

If that is regular old intel tapping, then how did it get into the hands of the DoJ?

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (tewYv)

168 Elbonia has far more skilled IT workers than Yemen or Somalia.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:31 PM (GwOXV)
............

But do they have the beautiful beaches and cuisine like Yemen and Somalia, which are to die for.

Posted by: Bye Bye stubborn belly fat! at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (HgMAr)

169 162
This shores that up and makes it harder for them to say "EVIL!"
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (dzmBR)

========================

Objection:

They'd call Trump saving baby puppies from an oncoming flood EVIL.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (mC1ZI)

170 Martha Radditz flipped her shit over a comment by Sarah Huckabee. IF!!!! IF!!!! You said IF it happened!!!!! Really foaming at the mouth reaction

How could anyone watch that dried up old prune?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (O2RFr)

171 May the barbed c0ck of Shaitan be shoved up your glory hole will all the thermonuclear fire of an H-bomb.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:11 PM (GwOXV)

Oh yeah, that might have actually beat the flaming barbed wire wrapped pineapple. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (aMlLZ)

172 You want evidence the Trump Administration has been watched?

You only need to look at all the 'leaks' about meetings.

Because even if The Russian ambassador himself was being spied on, a lot of these meetings were set up by OTHER PEOPLE...

Yet, suddenly there are multiple leaks, about multiple Trump staff, having meetings with 'Russians' (not just the Ambassador).

So either all the reports are false, or some large entity has been spying on those who work for Trump...

Now, as we KNOW it was not the Press itself doing the spying, what other entity has the power and ability to monitor that many people?

Posted by: Don Q. at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (NgKpN)

173 Thanks for the ear-worm, Tommy:
Sad.

Posted by: shit thomas jefferson tweeted at March 06, 2017 12:40 PM (nlbfN)

174 Mike has a good head !

Posted by: Joe Scarborough at March 06, 2017 12:40 PM (c6/9Q)

175 Assume that they don't believe that terrorists are in the groups of immigrants. Then assume that they believe that terrorism is a result of poverty. Then assume that America will lead them to a better life than before.

The assumptions are almost all wrong and built on a very poor foundation, but it is possible to think that they honestly don't want terrorists to come in and that we should welcome everyone at the same time.

It's less malicious and more stupid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I think you are right. But not so much 'stupid' as blind, religious fanatical devotion to an idea.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 06, 2017 12:40 PM (vRcUp)

176 Mika , you pervs !

Posted by: Joe Scarborough at March 06, 2017 12:41 PM (c6/9Q)

177 175 I think you are right. But not so much 'stupid' as blind, religious fanatical devotion to an idea.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 06, 2017 12:40 PM (vRcUp)

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The sad thing is that your description may be kinder than mine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:41 PM (mC1ZI)

178 176 Mika , you pervs !
Posted by: Joe Scarborough

i believe she gives good head, the question is does she swallow?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 06, 2017 12:41 PM (FZYNt)

179 Oh yeah, that might have actually beat the flaming barbed wire wrapped pineapple. lol
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (aMlLZ)
***

Since when did we start going soft arounf here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 12:41 PM (/33sy)

180 I seriously doubt Mika has the coordination...

https://youtu.be/ub2CerpWmaM

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (GwOXV)

181 Mika, someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.

Posted by: Dr. Peter Venkman at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (7HtZB)

182 Maybe she's in the wrong business.

Maybe data entry would make her happier.

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Mika, someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.

Posted by: Dr. Venkman at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (oGRue)

183 What did Loretta Lynch know and when did she know it and just exactly how much does she weigh?

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (nFwvY)

184 Mike has a good head !

Posted by: Joe Scarborough

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOUR SOCK IS GHEY.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLESBURGER at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (4YGWz)

185 If that is regular old intel tapping, then how did it get into the hands of the DoJ?

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (tewYv)

Maybe when Prezzy OFourputt changed the rules to allow Intel to be spread to 6 different agencies, including DOJ, just before he sashayed out of office?

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (jjaLl)

186 Since when did we start going soft arounf here?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants

usually when they post a pick of Chelsea

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (FZYNt)

187 So, I watched "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" again over the weekend.

And it seemed even worse than the first time.

But, what really made it annoying was everyfreakinbody talking about-

"The Resistance" every3freakinminutes.

So, i guess we now know where #TheResistance comes from-

these reality-challenged addlepates think they're heroes in a Star Wars movie against Darth Trump and His Golden Weasel Storm Troopers.

Sad.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (9q7Dl)

188 The illegal part is leaking.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)

And of course, as we have seen play out numerous times over the past 45 years, the cover up can be... problematic.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (TOk1P)

189 182 Mika, someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.
Posted by: Dr. Venkman at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (oGRue)

======================

"I've quit better jobs than this. Ghostbusters, what you do want?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:43 PM (mC1ZI)

190 Mika works the pole at a titty bar in an alternate universe, and she's happy there.

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me, not so much

Posted by: The pole at March 06, 2017 12:43 PM (oGRue)

191 178
176 Mika , you pervs !

Posted by: Joe Scarborough

i believe she gives good head, the question is does she swallow?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 06, 2017 12:41 PM (FZYNt)

Somewhere there is a sock that even Dobby the House Elf won't touch.

Posted by: Beau Bidens Freebasing and boozing Babe Banging Brother at March 06, 2017 12:43 PM (jxbfJ)

192 I lay this new travel ban order on the ground at my feet, I bless it, I give thanks for it, and ask that God may shine His face upon it.

Posted by: Cardinal Fernando Nino de Guevara at March 06, 2017 12:43 PM (3OAG2)

193 If that is regular old intel tapping, then how did it get into the hands of the DoJ?
Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (tewYv)

DOJ is the one who gets FISA warrants, not the FBI.

And they go through the DOJ Counter Intelligence desk, which is inhabited by a Democrat.

Thus, the DOJ Counter Intell desk would have access to all the wiretap info... and in fact be the one who would go back to the FISA Court, to get a new or expanded Wiretap if they found something nefarious from the original Ambassadorial Wiretap.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 06, 2017 12:43 PM (NgKpN)

194 Sadly, it looks like one of the things dropped in the new EO is giving priority to religious minorities (which would have included Christians and Yazidis).

I understand the logic that this removes a bullshit religious discrimination claim, but the way that truly persecuted Christians and Yazidis have been left to ISIS outrages me, to the point where I have no sympathy for Muslim refugees from anywhere

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (SIY7D)

195 All this eavesdropping and the best they could come up with is Russian golden showers and small talk between politicians.

Heh,

Posted by: dananjcon at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (WLK0w)

196 Mika , you pervs !

Well I for one think Formika should retire for Her own good...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (O2RFr)

197 >>And of course, as we have seen play out numerous times over the past 45 years, the cover up can be... problematic.

Yep. Let the games begin.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 12:45 PM (/tuJf)

198 i believe she gives good head, the question is does she swallow?

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anything i say

Posted by: Barry O at March 06, 2017 12:45 PM (oGRue)

199 They'd call Trump saving baby puppies from an oncoming flood EVIL.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:39 PM (mC1ZI

Despite the 9th circuit's reputation, I don't think they'll blow themselves up to try to stop Trump at all costs.

And Sessions is on board (i.e. confirmed and working) now, and while I may disagree with him on policy, I think he's more than capable of putting something together that withstands a lot of the heat they're going to throw against it.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 06, 2017 12:45 PM (dzmBR)

200 Martha Radditz flipped her shit over a comment by Sarah Huckabee. IF!!!! IF!!!! You said IF it happened!!!!! Really foaming at the mouth reaction

--

Heard that clip on Chris Plante this morning. The Dem shills in the MFM are so freaking obvious in their bias-ocity, it is to laugh. If memory serves, Radditz also cried on election night on live TV at the realization Trump was soon to be president. Yeah, she's trustworthy. /s

Posted by: Lady in Black - LONG LIVE THE SCALP WEASEL at March 06, 2017 12:45 PM (+FSld)

201 If that is regular old intel tapping, then how did it get into the hands of the DoJ?

-------------------------------

FBI does counter intel now, since the seventies. FBI is part of DOJ. This is why we now have 17 intel agencies, each one doing its own intelligence gathering.

Posted by: Hiram Nachtminder at March 06, 2017 12:46 PM (GxnyS)

202 Maybe when Prezzy OFourputt changed the rules to allow Intel to be spread to 6 different agencies, including DOJ, just before he sashayed out of office?

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (jjaLl)

Let's ponder that for a bit. This went around, that he did that, made it okay to share info.

We have not seen the EO, but it is said he did this allowing sharing by EO. Did it allow sharing info for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER? Or did there have to be a justification? Can the NSA send anything they receive to DoJ even if it is unrelated to criminal investigations?

That makes 2 questions: 1) Did Obama Order allow sharing without justification? and 2) if the order does allow this, could that possibly be legal?

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:46 PM (tewYv)

203 199
Despite the 9th circuit's reputation, I don't think they'll blow themselves up to try to stop Trump at all costs.

And Sessions is on board (i.e. confirmed and working) now, and while I may disagree with him on policy, I think he's more than capable of putting something together that withstands a lot of the heat they're going to throw against it.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 06, 2017 12:45 PM (dzmBR)

=====================

I imagine that this will sail through with only minimal challenge, all of which will be handled much better than last time.

Perhaps it was designed to make this second order just look more reasonable.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:47 PM (mC1ZI)

204 He should have made it 180 days.

And after the Ninth Circus Clowns issue another TRO, come back with a year long ban.

Posted by: rd at March 06, 2017 12:47 PM (iT57s)

205 The same media that was reporting that the IC and LEO in connection with investigations with Russia were wire tapping Trump and his people is saying that there is no evidence of Trump being wiretapped.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 06, 2017 12:47 PM (Gh/jd)

206 Does anyone have a reliable source on this Trump claim that Trump tower was bugged?

There doesn't seem to any credible evidence so far that he was being bugged. Was their a FISA Court order or not?

And, shouldn't Trump - being the, you know, leader of the fucking country - know for sure whether this is true or not? Or is he just taking whatever Mark Levin says for fact?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:17 PM (so+oy)

The press was pretty much saying so. Otherwise how do you get the claims of all of this supposed collusion between Trump and the Russkies. Now that Trump hit back with Obama bugged his lines, the press if busy claiming it is unproven such a thing happened. The Obamanites' denials though are all carefully worded. You know, we didn't "order." Things like that.

Plus let's look at past performance. The Obamanites have never shied away from using illegal methods against their opponents. Obama leaked sealed divorce documents in his senate election.

Trump is probably right but if it was a FISA warrant I don't think he can say anything about it.

Here's my thinking:
1. Deep State hates Trump
2. Deep State and Obama will use any dirty, underhanded method to win
3. Deep State and Obama are not terribly competent therefore their nefarious plans usually only work against the GOPe
4. MSM will cover as much as possible for Deep State

Conclusion the bugged Trump, did it in the most incompetent manner possible, left a trail that can be seen from space, and only MSM support is keeping this from blowing up.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 06, 2017 12:48 PM (J70i0)

207 I understand the logic that this removes a bullshit religious discrimination claim, but the way that truly persecuted Christians and Yazidis have been left to ISIS outrages me, to the point where I have no sympathy for Muslim refugees from anywhere
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (SIY7D

Pace numerous people (including Gabe) there are hooks in the law that allows us to get at this, but we'll probably need a more fundamental change to the law anyway.
A lot of the Christians don't even qualify for refugee status because they're harassed out of the camps. Tom Cotton (I think it was him) proposed some law to deal with this, but it never got anywhere.

That's a far better way to get at this, IMHO. It'll take a little longer, but if we're suspending all refugees for 120 days anyway, it might not take much longer than the EO.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 06, 2017 12:48 PM (dzmBR)

208 She has,a future in telemarketing.

Posted by: JEM at March 06, 2017 12:38 PM (TppKb)

1-900-HOT-MESS

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at March 06, 2017 12:48 PM (yXZIP)

209 And of course, as we have seen play out numerous times over the past 45 years, the cover up can be... problematic.
-----------------------------------
Yep. Let the games begin.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 12:45 PM (/tuJf)

I'm looking forward to reusing and rephrasing the old phrase, what did President B. Hussein know, and when did he know it.

I'm half hoping what the world soon learns, the Scoamf didn't know anything because he was ALWAYS just the puppet many of us have been saying he is.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 12:48 PM (TOk1P)

210 Sadly, it looks like one of the things dropped in the new EO is giving priority to religious minorities (which would have included Christians and Yazidis).

I understand the logic that this removes a bullshit religious discrimination claim, but the way that truly persecuted Christians and Yazidis have been left to ISIS outrages me, to the point where I have no sympathy for Muslim refugees from anywhere

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (SIY7D)

The answer to that is to have a wholly-separate program to enhance the safety of religious minorities under the heel of islam.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2017 12:48 PM (WDdjT)

211 heh .. you said baller ... heh

Posted by: beavis at March 06, 2017 12:48 PM (LTHVh)

212 Anybody got any paste?

Posted by: J. Biden at March 06, 2017 12:49 PM (5gXZz)

213 "Martha Radditz flipped her shit over a comment by Sarah Huckabee. IF!!!! IF!!!! You said IF it happened!!!!! Really foaming at the mouth reaction"

And to think Republicans allowed that friggin shill to act as a debate moderator. Twice!

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 06, 2017 12:49 PM (OD2ni)

214 Perhaps it was designed to make this second order just look more reasonable.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:47 PM (mC1ZI

Honestly, I don't really think so. If only because it nearly crashed the whole damned thing. And then they seemed conflicted on fighting or revising.

Honestly, I think this was just trying to roll out too fast before you had the high skilled people like Sessions on board to do the nuance lifting.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 06, 2017 12:49 PM (dzmBR)

215 >>>Mika, someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a
top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.

Posted by: Dr. Venkman at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (oGRue)
<<<

>>>Well I for one think Formika should retire for Her own good...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (O2RFr)<<<

You can always counter on Formika.

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at March 06, 2017 12:49 PM (pTY38)

216 I bet the lefties didn't see Plastic Dashboard Jesus suddenly gaining New Nixon status in the ongoing "OMG-- RUSSIA!!!!!" Saga.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 06, 2017 12:50 PM (oVJmc)

217 FBI does counter intel now, since the seventies. FBI is part of DOJ. This is why we now have 17 intel agencies, each one doing its own intelligence gathering.

Posted by: Hiram Nachtminder at March 06, 2017 12:46 PM (GxnyS)

That isn't what chi-town jerry was saying, though.

If FBI is recording foreign persons in this country then they have to have a FISA warrant and they have to have some reason to do it. He's Russian isn't good enough. They have to suspect that he is conducting espionage. Which may very well be the case, but they blew their cover on that case to get Flynn?

Alternatively, the transcript came from NSA without being a FISA ordered investigation, it was just the NSA doing what it was supposed to do. Which is what ctj is hinting at. And that leaves the question how did that get to DoJ?

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:50 PM (tewYv)

218 Mika is mere confirmation that the crazy/hot thingy is real.

Posted by: Crusader at March 06, 2017 12:50 PM (ewSN2)

219
>>>Well I for one think Formika should retire for Her own good...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (O2RFr)<<<

You can always counter on Formika.

We take her for granite.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 06, 2017 12:50 PM (oVJmc)

220 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOUR SOCK IS GHEY.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLESBURGER at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (4YGWz)

I NEVER DENIED IT AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT

Posted by: JOE SCARBOROUGH at March 06, 2017 12:50 PM (c6/9Q)

221 We have not seen the EO, but it is said he did this
allowing sharing by EO. Did it allow sharing info for ANY REASON
WHATSOEVER? Or did there have to be a justification? Can the NSA send
anything they receive to DoJ even if it is unrelated to criminal
investigations?

That makes 2 questions: 1) Did Obama Order allow sharing without
justification? and 2) if the order does allow this, could that possibly
be legal?

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:46 PM (tewYv)

Good questions! I found a link to Lawfare discussing the EO... I tiny urled it...https://tinyurl.com/gqgsh53
It's too much for me to read at work, but I'm definitely going to check it all out later......

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 06, 2017 12:51 PM (jjaLl)

222 It's going to be hard to counter top that...

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 06, 2017 12:51 PM (GwOXV)

223 If that is regular old intel tapping, then how did it get into the hands of the DoJ?
Posted by: blaster
............
I'm not saying I approve of any of this... but, to think each and every foreign diplomat is NOT being tapped 24/7 is being naive.

And we don't necessarily do the tapping.. we tap for the Brits, the Brits tap for us.

DoJ? Did it? Did the DoJ actually do anything with this intel? They specifically declined to prosecute him although Dems were pressuring them to.

No.. it simply got leaked to the press..

A transcript, apparently got to Trump from the intel community. And, thanks to that jug eared fuck opening intel between agencies before he left office, we'll never know who leaked it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:51 PM (so+oy)

224 CNN is BREATHLESSLY reporting that Trump blew up at his staff, including Bannon in a tirade and heated arguments, with video proof of Bannon in an "animated discussion" flailing his arms in a major temper tantrum.

Watch the video and it shows Bannon talking as if he were discussing sports.

Fuck the media.

Posted by: Fuck the Media at March 06, 2017 12:51 PM (lslKa)

225 the ninth circuit agreed to the stoppage because it violated their political beliefs. Still true. they are United States Constitution abstainers. they need to be impeached. simple. rule on law or get tossed.

Posted by: talgus da Deplorable at March 06, 2017 12:51 PM (fJQAI)

226 what would putting a rebuttal to 9th in this EO do anyway ?

Posted by: runner at March 06, 2017 12:52 PM (c6/9Q)

227 214 Honestly, I don't really think so. If only because it nearly crashed the whole damned thing. And then they seemed conflicted on fighting or revising.

Honestly, I think this was just trying to roll out too fast before you had the high skilled people like Sessions on board to do the nuance lifting.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 06, 2017 12:49 PM (dzmBR)

======================

I remember reading that Bannon had pushed it to spark protests both in timing and content.

That's my only evidence for, "The first order was a setup for a revised second."

Not much else fits it, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:53 PM (mC1ZI)

228 We have not seen the EO, but it is said he did this allowing sharing by EO. Did it allow sharing info for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER? Or did there have to be a justification? Can the NSA send anything they receive to DoJ even if it is unrelated to criminal investigations?

That makes 2 questions: 1) Did Obama Order allow sharing without justification? and 2) if the order does allow this, could that possibly be legal?
Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:46 PM (tewYv)

Having read the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and the Wire Tapping Laws...

It looks like if the call has a US Citizen involved, AND its on US soil, then unless it shows an imminent crime or Terrorism links, all information about said US citizen is supposed to immediately be redacted.

BUT... there was a Law passed by Congress which allows the NSA and other agencies to search Databases without a warrant, if they are held by a third party...

So once the data is transcribed... and placed in a database, there is a loophole which would seem to allow anyone the President wanted to, to search it...

And WHO gets to search is not codified by law, but by Executive Order...
]
Because Congress, and the Courts... suck...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 06, 2017 12:54 PM (NgKpN)

229 CNN is BREATHLESSLY reporting that Trump blew up at his staff, including Bannon in a tirade and heated arguments, with video proof of Bannon in an "animated discussion" flailing his arms in a major temper tantrum.

When you have a fun-house mirror view of the world, everything looks different.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 06, 2017 12:54 PM (oVJmc)

230 A transcript, apparently got to Trump from the intel community. And, thanks to that jug eared fuck opening intel between agencies before he left office, we'll never know who leaked it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:51 PM (so+oy)

AG Sessions merely needs to haul in various suspects and interview them in front of a bullet-scarred wall.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2017 12:54 PM (WDdjT)

231
Fox Business - Mass. AG still opposes the EO looking at legal options.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2017 12:54 PM (493sH)

232 >>If FBI is recording foreign persons in this country then they have to have a FISA warrant and they have to have some reason to do it. He's Russian isn't good enough. They have to suspect that he is conducting espionage. Which may very well be the case, but they blew their cover on that case to get Flynn?

They tried twice to get the warrant. First time was last summer and they were rejected which is incredibly rare.

The FISA court has only turned down a request 4 times in something like 30,000 requests. It is the quintessential rubber stamp and yet they got turned down for this one. Think about that for a minute.

So they refined the request, much as Trump has done with the travel ban, to overcome the Court's concern and got one in October after months of screaming about the Russians hacking our elections. There's your reason.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 12:54 PM (/tuJf)

233 So, I watched "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" again over the weekend.

And it seemed even worse than the first time.

But, what really made it annoying was everyfreakinbody talking about-

"The Resistance" every3freakinminutes.

So, i guess we now know where #TheResistance comes from-these reality-challenged addlepates think they're heroes in a Star Wars movie against Darth Trump and His Golden Weasel Storm Troopers.

Sad.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 06, 2017 12:42 PM (9q7Dl)

I'm glad the Force awakened because that movie about put me to sleep. The film is the worst thing a film can be, boring.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 06, 2017 12:55 PM (J70i0)

234 these reality-challenged addlepates think they're heroes in a Star Wars
movie against Darth Trump and His Golden Weasel Storm Troopers.
***
In the Star Wars universe I've come to accept that the Empire are probably the good guys.

In the prequels we see:

1) Slavery is legal and not considered a big deal, and in fact when the Republic comes across an enslaved clone army - they claim them as their own as opposed to freeing the clone troopers.
2) Power is held primarily by a group of religious fanatics (Jedi) who claim the right to go anywhere, do anything, execute "criminals" by their fiat, and abduct children into their order. Sith are to be executed on sight because they "think in extremes"
3) Citizens of the "Republic" are not promised representative government of any form or shape - nobility is common.
4) The Republic doesn't actually provide any sort of protection from external threats - it is the Nabu-eans themselves that have to fight off the trade guild.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 12:55 PM (X7E8f)

235 How many divisions does the Ninth Circuit have?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 06, 2017 12:55 PM (0mRoj)

236
This federal leviathan seems to me to be pretty much out of control. Too many federal officials can do anything they want and it doesn't appear to be any way to stop them.

Posted by: Hiram Nachtminder at March 06, 2017 12:56 PM (GxnyS)

237 Achmed! Call the others and get the suicide vests packed! I will buy the plane tickets. We have 10 days!

Posted by: Damiano at March 06, 2017 12:56 PM (71OEY)

238 @SSBN guy - thanks for that link. Important part below - also, ctj make note:

An IC element may disseminate U.S. person information "derived solely from raw SIGINT" under these procedures only if one of the following conditions is met: the U.S. person has consented, the information is publicly available, the information is "necessary to understand the foreign intelligence or counterintelligence information," the information is evidence of a "possible commission of a crime," or the dissemination is required by some other law, executive order or executive branch directive.

So there has to be a reason for the dissemination. There was no crime in the transcripts - well, we don't know that for sure, but ctj vouches for DoJ by saying that they did not move to prosecute.

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:56 PM (tewYv)

239 Rick Wilson told me to say that the new EO is unconstitutional.

Posted by: Egg McMuffin at March 06, 2017 12:56 PM (OD2ni)

240 234 3) Citizens of the "Republic" are not promised representative government of any form or shape - nobility is common.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 12:55 PM (X7E8f)

=======================

This one doesn't seem to be true.

Padme was elected queen (with limited terms). I think it shows that Lucas doesn't understand how governments function that well and that we shouldn't parse his universe for anything other than whiz-bang action.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:56 PM (mC1ZI)

241 Well I for one think Formika should retire for Her own good...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2017 12:44 PM (O2RFr)

You can always counter on Formika.

We take her for granite.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

Coriann is ready when Formika flakes.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2017 12:57 PM (/B2KC)

242 I'm getting a little pissed at this "Deep State" tag. It isn't a "state" and it sure as hell isn't very deep. It gives the lying, cheating bastards far too much credibility.

They're more akin to mafioso.

Posted by: mrp at March 06, 2017 12:57 PM (Pqytn)

243 A transcript, apparently got to Trump from the intel community. And, thanks to that jug eared fuck opening intel between agencies before he left office, we'll never know who leaked it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:51 PM (so+oy)

It is said that it came from DoJ. But it's the news, so likely it is fake news anyway.

Posted by: blaster at March 06, 2017 12:58 PM (tewYv)

244 Chi-Town Jerry,

I agree. On a matter of critical national importance such as this, Trump needs to respond with something more substantive than tweets.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at March 06, 2017 12:59 PM (QajOK)

245 3) Citizens of the "Republic" are not promised representative government of any form or shape - nobility is common.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 12:55 PM (X7E8f)

=======================

This one doesn't seem to be true.

Padme was elected queen (with limited terms). I think it shows that Lucas doesn't understand how governments function that well and that we shouldn't parse his universe for anything other than whiz-bang action.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 12:56 PM (mC1ZI)

Oh, I rather much enjoy the parsing, because the guy is a hack.

I especially like the theory that Vader didn't actually destroy a planet, he only pretended to, and was able to get gullible Jedi to help spread the word that he was a power mad genocidal maniac.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 12:59 PM (TOk1P)

246 235. 'The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 12:59 PM (/33sy)

247 Late as usual so this may have been covered,

When is Spicer's press briefing today and anybody have a link?

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at March 06, 2017 01:00 PM (X+nFp)

248 Chrissy Cuomo and Alysin Camerota told me on CNN this morning that Trump gets his news from propaganda.

*facepalm*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 01:00 PM (PY9jH)

249 I agree. On a matter of critical national importance such as this, Trump needs to respond with something more substantive than tweets.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken
..........
yeah.. that's all I'm saying..

And if the intel community is so set against him that he can't get anyone over there to cooperate with him, then we're in bigger trouble than I thought..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 01:00 PM (so+oy)

250 I especially like the theory that Vader didn't actually destroy a planet...

Vader had some epic matches with Sting.

Posted by: Crusader at March 06, 2017 01:00 PM (ewSN2)

251 ...something more substantive than tweets.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at March 06, 2017 12:59 PM (QajOK)

Sure.

The question however, is when. And to whom.

It's possible this will take months/years to unravel. Do you have the patience to wait?

The tweets are for those who don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (TOk1P)

252 I'm no expert on the topic, but anyone who goes back to Yemen or Somalia should not be allowed back to the US till they explain why they're not dead.

Posted by: GeneThePuzzled at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (sYV5O)

253 You can always counter on Formika.

We take her for granite.

---

That'd make her Mica, not Mika

Posted by: Barry O at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (oGRue)

254 Chrissy Cuomo and Alysin Camerota told me on CNN this morning that Trump gets his news from propaganda.

The self-awareness is...nowhere.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 06, 2017 01:02 PM (oVJmc)

255 253 You can always counter on Formika.

We take her for granite.

---

That'd make her Mica, not Mika
Posted by: Barry O at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (oGRue)
***
Really? No schist?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 01:02 PM (/33sy)

256 250 I especially like the theory that Vader didn't actually destroy a planet...

Vader had some epic matches with Sting.
Posted by: Crusader at March 06, 2017 01:00 PM (ewSN2

And had his eye pop out of his socket.

Posted by: buzzion at March 06, 2017 01:03 PM (z/Ubi)

257 235 How many divisions does the Ninth Circuit have?

All of the DC Alphabet Agencies
All Blue Mayor led Police Departments
All Blue Governor led Police Departments

Not an insignificant force

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 06, 2017 01:03 PM (nw6G5)

258 *softly sobbing*

Posted by: Mika Brzezinksi at March 06, 2017 01:03 PM (ZFUt7)

259 In the Star Wars universe I've come to accept that the Empire are probably the good guys.

In the prequels we see:

1) Slavery is legal and not considered a big deal, and in fact when the Republic comes across an enslaved clone army - they claim them as their own as opposed to freeing the clone troopers.
2) Power is held primarily by a group of religious fanatics (Jedi) who claim the right to go anywhere, do anything, execute "criminals" by their fiat, and abduct children into their order. Sith are to be executed on sight because they "think in extremes"
3) Citizens of the "Republic" are not promised representative government of any form or shape - nobility is common.
4) The Republic doesn't actually provide any sort of protection from external threats - it is the Nabu-eans themselves that have to fight off the trade guild.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 12:55 PM (X7E8f)

One interesting point Heinlein made in Starship Troopers was that their form of government was good because it worked. Person and economic freedom was expansive. If you couldn't vote but still had rights to speech, economic freedom, etc. how could the system be bad. Would it be better if you could vote but had no freedom?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 06, 2017 01:03 PM (J70i0)

260 The Seattle judge and the three Ninth Circuit judges were the designees for the month of February for handling emergency motions. Thus the Seattle judge shouldn't get the case again unless he claims it's "related" to his prior order. Judges cheat like this to get cases for political reasons, but here it's an obvious power grab.

Same for the Ninth Circuit, except that the three judges have already ruled that they won't let the case on the first EO go away -- they want more briefing on the old case even though it's now mooted.

It'll really be a challenge for these judges to overturn the new EO.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 01:03 PM (SIY7D)

261 When you have a fun-house mirror view of the world, everything looks different.
====

By the way: I can't recall seeing anything remotely like that Oval Office "surveillance" video before.

Even after recalibrating myself to the Factory Default Low-Info Voter mode, this still seems way over the line. Real paparazzi bullshit. Ought to give the middle of the country a vivid sense of what kind of organization CNN is running.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 06, 2017 01:04 PM (OVUYQ)

262 But Flynn's conversation was NOT specifically tapped. The Russian Ambassador was routinely being tapped. Flynn was stupid enough to know this - which he should have with his experience.

But i Trump had evidence, it would have surfaced by now. Show us the FISA order.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 06, 2017 12:29 PM (so+oy)

-----------------------------------------------------------

Who bloody cares!

1. Releasing tapped / federal investigation information is illegal.

2. Releasing tapped / federal investigation info for political reasons during and right after an election is highly dangerous to the republic and the transfer of power. Is this going to be the SOP from this point on? Once Trump gets his people settled in can he do this to NeverTrumpers. This is why even Levin, who hates Trump, is freaking out.

3. It was the media who reported this. Does that mean the media's sources are full of it, or are telling the truth? If there is no FISA order on anyone within Trump's campaign then the sources are BS. It also calls into question almost every thing else they have been reporting. If there is a FISA order on any person within Trump's campaign it better be something really good, not some, "X visited Moscow once ten years ago" or "he talked to the Russian Ambassador". Remember these same courts gave permission in other highly dubious situations during Obama's administration.

4. The whole thing is starting to make Rand Paul not look so crazy after all...Intelligence agencies are now political props for the political party in power. Cannot imagine a more dangerous situation for the republic.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 06, 2017 01:04 PM (MuTTO)

263 >> On a matter of critical national importance such as this, Trump needs to respond with something more substantive than tweets.

How about a Congressional investigation? Because that's exactly what is going to happen.

Instead of their being an investigation solely focused on the Trump administration's contacts with Russians, they are now also doing an investigation on where this leaked information came from and possible spying and wire tapping.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 01:04 PM (/tuJf)

264 You can always counter on Formika.

We take her for granite.

---

That'd make her Mica, not Mika
Posted by: Barry O at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (oGRue)
***
Really? No schist?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 01:02 PM (/33sy)

Sedimentary, my dear Watson!

Posted by: Slaterock Holmes at March 06, 2017 01:04 PM (9q7Dl)

265 That'd make her Mica, not Mika
Posted by: Barry O at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (oGRue)
***
Really? No schist?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 01:02 PM (/33sy)

Gneiss!

Posted by: Pug Mahon at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (RwwCT)

266 Would it be better if you could vote but had no freedom?
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 06, 2017 01:03 PM (J70i0)
***
heh...'Master has given Dobby a ballot! Dobby is a free elf!'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (/33sy)

267 How can it be an "emergency" order when it doesn't go into effect for another 10 days? This sounds and smells like a retreat to me, if not a complete surrender.

Posted by: davidingeorgia at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (Yfls2)

268 I'm no expert on the topic, but anyone who goes back to Yemen or Somalia should not be allowed back to the US till they explain why they're not dead.
Posted by: GeneThePuzzled at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (sYV5O)

Especially if you are here as a refugee. If you do go back, then you are going to stay there.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (J70i0)

269 235 How many divisions does the Ninth Circuit have?

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i'd settle for one as it would mean that there was a non-leftie on the court

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (oGRue)

270 Just tell me when the shooting starts . Nothing I can do about all the work up prior to that time so I'm not going to stress worrying about things I have no control over.

I've chosen my side and I ain't changing.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (zoyKY)

271 245 Oh, I rather much enjoy the parsing, because the guy is a hack.

I especially like the theory that Vader didn't actually destroy a planet, he only pretended to, and was able to get gullible Jedi to help spread the word that he was a power mad genocidal maniac.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 12:59 PM (TOk1P)

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I've never heard that one.

I've loved Star Wars since elementary school. I loved it so much to the point that that's what I was known for until high school.

But the amount of thought some people put into this stuff puts what I did to shame, and that's sad.

Jeez.

Not you, but the people who came up with the theory (which I'm now desperately hoping is not you).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (mC1ZI)

272 Padme was elected queen (with limited terms). I think it shows that
Lucas doesn't understand how governments function that well and that we
shouldn't parse his universe for anything other than whiz-bang action.
***
There have been plenty of elected monarchs on earth - it doesn't limit their power once elected, only in how the monarch gets chosen. In fairness that isn't unimportant...but we don't see anything about the election process. Based on that I interpret this to be a small number of nobles voting similar to the HRE.

Interestingly the choice of a youngish teenager strongly indicates one of two things:

1) Either the office is a figure head with no power
2) The election is actually a scam to justify certain families being "elected"

I would go with the latter as people seem to expect Padme to actually rule....

In fairness, yeah Lucas is a hack. He wanted a female political leader for girl power lols - something he did repeatedly in Star Wars - and someone young for marketing reasons.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (X7E8f)

273 I doubt that Iraq is going to vet their people coming here very much at all.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (fDdVG)

274 But, but I'm one of you~!

@campusreform 55m

VIDEO: Protesters disrupt Sen. Graham town hall at Clemson

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (4YGWz)

275 The Seattle judge and the three Ninth Circuit judges were the designees for the month of February for handling emergency motions. Thus the Seattle judge shouldn't get the case again unless he claims it's "related" to his prior order. Judges cheat like this to get cases for political reasons, but here it's an obvious power grab.

Same for the Ninth Circuit, except that the three judges have already ruled that they won't let the case on the first EO go away -- they want more briefing on the old case even though it's now mooted.

It'll really be a challenge for these judges to overturn the new EO.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 01:03 PM (SIY7D)

They just used their personal opinion the first time. Unfortunately there are plenty of judges they can find this time to do the same

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (493sH)

276 263
How about a Congressional investigation? Because that's exactly what is going to happen.

Instead of their being an investigation solely focused on the Trump administration's contacts with Russians, they are now also doing an investigation on where this leaked information came from and possible spying and wire tapping.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 01:04 PM (/tuJf)

=======================

"It did clear a lot of air."
-Fast and Furious

"That it did."
-Benghazi

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:07 PM (mC1ZI)

277 Fox Business - Mass. AG still opposes the EO looking at legal options.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2017 12:54 PM

The irony of which is that the very people she's trying to protect would have no hesitation in throwing her off the nearest building. Just sayin'.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 06, 2017 01:07 PM (p+Wdc)

278 If the feds are surveiling people with russian contacts what about Bernie Sanders and that NYC mayor deblasso?

Or anyone else with ties to Russia? Or was it just Trump?

Posted by: Hiram Nachtminder at March 06, 2017 01:08 PM (GxnyS)

279 255 253 You can always counter on Formika.

We take her for granite.

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That'd make her Mica, not Mika
Posted by: Barry O at March 06, 2017 01:01 PM (oGRue)
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Really? No schist?

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It's sedimentary my dear Palpatine

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 06, 2017 01:08 PM (oGRue)

280 272
I would go with the latter as people seem to expect Padme to actually rule....

In fairness, yeah Lucas is a hack. He wanted a female political leader for girl power lols - something he did repeatedly in Star Wars - and someone young for marketing reasons.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (X7E8f)

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I had modified my sentence slightly when I thought of Claudius from Hamlet and how the Danish crown got passed (by election from parliament, if I remember correctly).

I don't think Lucas was inspired by history though. My bet is that when he wrote Episode I, he wanted Amidala to be queen, but when he wrote Episode II, he wanted her to be a senator so he wrote in a dumb little line about elections.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (mC1ZI)

281 >>"It did clear a lot of air."
-Fast and Furious

>>"That it did."
-Benghazi

Remind me, who was President and running the Executive branch charged with prosecuting anyone who might have done something illegal when those investigations happened.

I've got an odd feeling that Trump is not going to handle things the way Obama did.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (/tuJf)

282 If the feds are surveiling people with russian contacts what about Bernie Sanders and that NYC mayor deblasso?

More prominently, Hillary and Podesta.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (oVJmc)

283 I clicked on the link and the headline is a tad misleading. The video is clearly from and outside view point looking through a window or door.

It looks like crosshairs to me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (BE1GQ)

284 But, but I'm one of you~!

@campusreform 55m

VIDEO: Protesters disrupt Sen. Graham town hall at Clemson

He calmed their ranting by informing them, "I didn't vote for Trump, either!"

Jackass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (PY9jH)

285 Just checking stuff. Got whacked yesterday.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (ZFUt7)

286 "How can it be an "emergency" order when it doesn't go into effect for another 10 days? This sounds and smells like a retreat to me, if not a complete surrender."

Harder for the Bad Guys to ask for a TRO. Time enough to require this to get a quick review on the merits.

Last time the Seattle judge made up stuff in the context of ruling on an emergency TRO.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 01:10 PM (SIY7D)

287 281 Remind me, who was President and running the Executive branch charged with prosecuting anyone who might have done something illegal when those investigations happened.

I've got an odd feeling that Trump is not going to handle things the way Obama did.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (/tuJf)

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I hope you're right.

The last 8 years have jaded me in terms of Congressional power and willingness to actually wield what power they have.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:10 PM (mC1ZI)

288 Person and economic freedom was expansive. If you couldn't vote but
still had rights to speech, economic freedom, etc. how could the system
be bad. Would it be better if you could vote but had no freedom?
***
We have representative democracy not because it has much value in and of itself, but because it seems to be the form of government best able to protect our rights.

One real problem I see in the last few years is the rise of unlimited direct democracy.

If 50.1% of the population votes to enslave 49.9% it is an immoral act, and yet one can count on the Fake News Media to trumpet any disagreement with such a vote as fascism incarnate...if they approve of the measure voted on...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:10 PM (X7E8f)

289 The order itself contains a legal rebuttal to the Ninth Circus' claims, while not changing the basics of the order to what the Ninth Circus would consider acceptable. The order seems to just be trying to make it very difficult for the Ninth Circuit to strike this one down without giving the game away that they're simply now acting as Super-Presidents who are simply vetoing policies they don't like because #TheResistance demands no less.

The President has clear statutory authority to do pretty much anything he wants on immigration on the grounds of national security so this will be overturned on the Obamacare but NUH UH precedent.

So that will be nice.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at March 06, 2017 01:11 PM (mf5HN)

290 284 He calmed their ranting by informing them, "I didn't vote for Trump, either!"

Jackass.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (PY9jH)

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Republican primary campaign commercial in 2020.

By both Graham and his opponent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:11 PM (mC1ZI)

291 Interestingly the choice of a youngish teenager strongly indicates one of two things:

1) Either the office is a figure head with no power
2) The election is actually a scam to justify certain families being "elected"

I would go with the latter as people seem to expect Padme to actually rule....

In fairness, yeah Lucas is a hack. He wanted a female political leader for girl power lols - something he did repeatedly in Star Wars - and someone young for marketing reasons.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (X7E8f)

I think he was simply working backwards from the fact that Princess Leia was a Princess. Hence, her mom had to be... a Queen!

No more thought into it than that.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 01:12 PM (TOk1P)

292 More prominently, Hillary and Podesta.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles

A pleasant woman who sells rocks and a generous old fellow that loves to babysit for free.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 06, 2017 01:12 PM (ZFUt7)

293 281 >>"It did clear a lot of air."
-Fast and Furious

>>"That it did."
-Benghazi

Remind me, who was President and running the Executive branch charged with prosecuting anyone who might have done something illegal when those investigations happened.

Remind us why we care.

Posted by: Career Guys in DC at March 06, 2017 01:12 PM (nw6G5)

294 291
I think he was simply working backwards from the fact that Princess Leia was a Princess. Hence, her mom had to be... a Queen!

No more thought into it than that.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 01:12 PM (TOk1P)

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...But she ends up queen of a completely unrelated planet...

Just let it go, TJM. He's on a roll.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:12 PM (mC1ZI)

295 Not you, but the people who came up with the theory (which I'm now desperately hoping is not you).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (mC1ZI)

Yeah, no. I don't remember where I read it. Somewhere on teh internetz.

I am a fan of the Mr. Plinkett perspective on Star Wars though... mostly because Plinkett (aka Mike Whatshisname) is highly entertaining.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 01:13 PM (TOk1P)

296
I did it.

So what?

Defend me , my bitchez!

Posted by: God-Emperor For Life Pharoah Barakenhaten the First at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (6TED6)

297 There were some great pieces in the NRO that posited that the Empire was the morally right side to pull for in the Star Wars movies--those articles were great fun to read.

The "never Trump" ones on the other hand...

Posted by: Crusader at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (ewSN2)

298
...But she ends up queen of a completely unrelated planet...
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And her kids end up in a rather unhealthy relationship in "A New Hope"....

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (X7E8f)

299 >>The last 8 years have jaded me in terms of Congressional power and willingness to actually wield what power they have.

Congress' power is basically to provide oversight and do investigation. We rely on an honest Executive branch to act on what is found.

We don't really have to go over how lawless the Obama administration was, everyone knows this. Do you honestly think from what you know of Trump that he will act in a similar fashion when the left and the media has been trashing him for basically being not just corrupt but in league with Russia?

I don't.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (/tuJf)

300 In the Star Wars universe I've come to accept that the Empire are probably the good guys.

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Jonathan V. Last, "A Just War",

If anything,Rouge One confirms that the "rebels" are the bad guys.

Posted by: Yakoff at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (suO/a)

301 Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at March 06, 2017 01:11 PM (mf5HN)

The Nuh Uh Amendment specifically inserted in the Constitution to give checks and balance power to the court.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (zoyKY)

302 295 Yeah, no. I don't remember where I read it. Somewhere on teh internetz.

I am a fan of the Mr. Plinkett perspective on Star Wars though... mostly because Plinkett (aka Mike Whatshisname) is highly entertaining.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2017 01:13 PM (TOk1P)

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I love Plinkett.

I first watched his Episode I review before I revisited Episode I after a decade of not watching it and providing limited defense of its qualities.

I didn't take to it (in fact I didn't even finish the review) because I got defensive.

Then I rewatched the movie. I realized what a complete sack of shit it is, and gave Plinkett another chance. I've been an RLM devotee ever since.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:15 PM (mC1ZI)

303 noOd

Mika sadz

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 06, 2017 01:15 PM (jjaLl)

304 He wanted a female political leader for girl power lols - something he did repeatedly in Star Wars - and someone young for marketing reasons.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:05 PM (X7E8f)

Yeah for girl power reasons. Not because of the classic trope of rescue the princess from the bad guys.

Posted by: buzzion at March 06, 2017 01:15 PM (z/Ubi)

305 Smart move for Leftie judges including the Ninth Circuit is to uphold the new EO and claim victory for knocking down the old EO.

But who will they do it by denying standing?

Or will they grant standing (and Constitutional rights) to foreigners abroad who don't have green cards or visas?

They conflated standing last time. If they hadn't, they could have easily upheld most of the old EO so it would look like the new EO

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 01:16 PM (SIY7D)

306 VIDEO: Protesters disrupt Sen. Graham town hall at Clemson

He calmed their ranting by informing them, "I didn't vote for Trump, either!"

Jackass.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (PY9jH)

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He voted for McMuffin, the ex-CIA clown who is basically calling for a deep state overthrow of a legitimately elected president.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/lindsey-graham-votes-for-evan-mcmullin-230954

Once again if the NeverTrumper's goal is to prove Rand Paul right, congrats! If they keep it up maybe they can prove Ron Paul correct...god these people are some of the biggest idiots on the planet.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 06, 2017 01:16 PM (MuTTO)

307 299 Do you honestly think from what you know of Trump that he will act in a similar fashion when the left and the media has been trashing him for basically being not just corrupt but in league with Russia?

I don't.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (/tuJf)

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It's less to do with Trump's reaction than it is with Congress's ability to act quickly, effectively, and in a targeted manner enough to provide some of the preliminary investigative material that could lead to DOJ action.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:16 PM (mC1ZI)

308 I don't think Lucas was inspired by history though. My bet is that when he wrote Episode I, he wanted Amidala to be queen, but when he wrote Episode II, he wanted her to be a senator so he wrote in a dumb little line about elections.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:09 PM (mC1ZI)

Which is stupid because Princess Leia was a member of the Senate.

Posted by: buzzion at March 06, 2017 01:17 PM (z/Ubi)

309 There were some great pieces in the NRO that posited that the Empire was
the morally right side to pull for in the Star Wars movies
***
Interestingly you could compare the Jedi/Republic to pre-Meiji Japan and the Empire to...Emperor Meiji and modernizing Japan.

Of course Hollywood tackled exactly this conflict in "The Last Samurai" and picked the wrong side then as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:17 PM (X7E8f)

310 As with any other position taken by a Leftist, Star Wars world is a lesson in cognitive dissonance .

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 06, 2017 01:17 PM (zoyKY)

311 #287

The last 8 years have jaded me in terms of Congressional power and willingness to actually wield what power they have.
=================

The last eight years had one Barrynaut after another claiming executive privilege. Several, like Lois Lerner, even claimed their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Nothing but crickets out of Barry's DoJ in response, while the Republican activist groups were persecuted.

The GOPe, unfortunately, hated the Tea Party people almost as much as the Dems did.

Posted by: mrp at March 06, 2017 01:18 PM (Pqytn)

312 The order itself contains a legal rebuttal to the Ninth Circus' claims, while not changing the basics of the order to what the Ninth Circus would consider acceptable. The order seems to just be trying to make it very difficult for the Ninth Circuit to strike this one down without giving the game away that they're simply now acting as Super-Presidents who are simply vetoing policies they don't like because #TheResistance demands no less.

The President has clear statutory authority to do pretty much anything he wants on immigration on the grounds of national security so this will be overturned on the Obamacare but NUH UH precedent.

So that will be nice.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at March 06, 2017 01:11 PM (mf5HN)

I don't suppose this could be impeachment bait, could it?

Ruling against the clear letter of the law and Constitution based on nothing but feelz.

I would think that'd be clear evidence of incompetence.

But, what do I know? I'm just a simple country quokka.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 06, 2017 01:18 PM (9q7Dl)

313 Oh yeah, the Empire was definitely the good guys. Even setting aside the obvious "religious zealot spends his entire life on suicidal mission to destroy the head of government" bit, the easiest part is to look at the robots. The Empire paid them for their services (hiring bounty hunters scene), and the Rebels bought and sold them to work as slaves. No big deal except for the scene where C3P0 calls out to his god. They weren't dumb robots. They were sentient beings with their own deities, and the Rebel infrastructure couldn't function without their labor.

I'm certain that's the exact opposite of how George intended it to work, but it's funny how it ended up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 06, 2017 01:18 PM (/f1mm)

314 I shale return.

Posted by: Douglass RocKarther at March 06, 2017 01:19 PM (yXZIP)

315 Jesus Christ, Marie! They're not rocks; they're minerals!

Posted by: zombie hank schrader at March 06, 2017 01:19 PM (nlbfN)

316 Why give the dems or the press (BIRM) the benefit of the doubt? They lie!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 06, 2017 01:19 PM (eAZVt)

317 308 Which is stupid because Princess Leia was a member of the Senate.
Posted by: buzzion at March 06, 2017 01:17 PM (z/Ubi)

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Yes. It's almost like the universe as a whole wasn't particularly well thought through.

That's pretty excusable for the first film which was supposed to be a fun serial. But once you start expanding it with the first sequel? And especially when you have more than 15 years to think about where a new trilogy would go?

He's a lazy hack who needed money.

He really should have hired Timothy Zahn to write the prequels, worked with some quality directors, and just stayed on as producer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:19 PM (mC1ZI)

318 236
This federal leviathan seems to me to be pretty much out of control. Too many federal officials can do anything they want and it doesn't appear to be any way to stop them.

Posted by: Hiram Nachtminder at March 06, 2017 12:56 PM (GxnyS)

Starting with Hillary Clinton, working through Loretta Lynch, John Koskinen, Lois Lerner, and on to the horizon.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 06, 2017 01:19 PM (yL25O)

319 If anything,Rouge One confirms that the "rebels" are the bad guys.

Posted by: Yakoff at March 06, 2017 01:14 PM (suO/a)

Just wait until Mascara Two hits the silver screen next year!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2017 01:20 PM (WDdjT)

320 >>It's less to do with Trump's reaction than it is with Congress's ability to act quickly, effectively, and in a targeted manner enough to provide some of the preliminary investigative material that could lead to DOJ action.

Not much to investigate. Did the Obama DOJ get a FISA warrant to wiretap Trump's office or not?

That should take about 5 minutes. From there it's just a matter of unwinding the thread.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 06, 2017 01:20 PM (/tuJf)

321 I clicked on the link and the headline is a tad misleading. The video is clearly from and outside view point looking through a window or door.

It is, but its also visually identical to a typical crosshairs image, with the circular blur and the crossed bars right over his head.

Were this during the Obama administration you'd hear the screaming from the moon.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2017 01:20 PM (39g3+)

322 @240 Lucas doesn't understand how governments function

Lucas seems fond of having himself interviewed as a sort of Peter Pan "boy who never grew up." Nothing could be more early-70's Hollywood than that, and what do you know, that's where he's from. Politics and all.

Given another 8 or 10 prequels and suquels, he'd probably leave History with a fascinating profile of The Hero Acquiring Political Wisdom Excruciatingly Slowly. You just know he thinks he's going to be studied that way in the future, as he is now.

On the one hand, he wouldn't be the first kinda-sorta science fiction eminence to do that to the world. On the other hand, you're going to have to watch those movies. As Patton said of Push-Button War, I'm glad I won't live to see it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2017 01:21 PM (H5rtT)

323 Re: The Resistance/ Force Awakens

I'm kinda meh on getting worked up about it but:
1. Daisy Sue. It took Anakin the better part of 2 movies and a bunch of years of training during the height of the Jedi order with 24/7 access to all the Jedi bad asses in between to be reasonably competent in using the force and he was the friggin "Chosen One". It took Luke 3 movies and a bunch of one on one training with Yoda and Obi Wan to get reasonably competent in using the force, and he still was mostly getting slapped around by a guy who was mostly a 50 or 60 year old robot and and an even more decreped guy. But token, Strong, Independent Woman can beat up on a guy- 2 generations removed from Anakin, trained by Luke and some other evil dude, and can do all sorts of crap we've never seen before, like reading minds (Vader couldn't do that) and stop laser bolts in midair- after barely touching a light saber for a second... in addition to being an equal or better pilot than Han Solo, even though there's no indication she's ever flown anything, a better mechanic with more knowledge of the Millennium Falcon than Solo and Chewbacca, and a better fighter than a Stormtrooper (though, admittedly, a shitty Stormtrooper). Bunch of BS.
2. Who the fuck in The Resistance? Why do they exist? You have a Repubic that won the war against the Empire and, supposedly, was headed up by all the people who are now in The Resistance. You have The First Order that's supposedly the remnants of the defeated Empire but, despite all the crashed Empire ships around, seems to be better astoundingly equipped, much larger, and much more organized than either the Republic or Resistance. So, who the hell is this rag tag group of people? How did they miss a planet being turned into a weapon when they knew about two Death Stars being built and were able to intercept plans, etc. while the Empire was fully in power? Why the hell is Leia now a general? What, was Princess too girly? She she is still regarded as royalty and head of a Resistance, wouldn't she be better positioned to actually be of use in the Republic she spent half her life fighting for?

Makes no sense.

Posted by: Damiano at March 06, 2017 01:21 PM (71OEY)

324 Yeah for girl power reasons. Not because of the classic trope of rescue the princess from the bad guys.
***
Who is the political leader of the Rebellion in the original movies?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:21 PM (X7E8f)

325 Oh yeah, the Empire was definitely the good guys.

Other than all that killing and torturing and eliminating democracy, slaughtering priests to gain power, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2017 01:22 PM (39g3+)

326 Utopia

Cletus wants you - 3rd stall on the left.

Posted by: DaveA at March 06, 2017 01:22 PM (8J/Te)

327 CNN is BREATHLESSLY reporting that Trump blew up at his staff, including
Bannon in a tirade and heated arguments, with video proof of Bannon in
an "animated discussion" flailing his arms in a major temper tantrum.

"Less filling!"

"Tastes great!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 06, 2017 01:23 PM (SRKgf)

328 Conclusion the bugged Trump, did it in the most incompetent manner possible, left a trail that can be seen from space, and only MSM support is keeping this from blowing up.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 06, 2017 12:48 PM (J70i0)

There have to be people in IC who now feel safe to blow the whistle knowing that POTUS has their back.

THAT'S the value of DJT going ballistic in a very public way.
None of this undercover behind the scenes bullshit that always leaves a good actor standing with his dick in his hand.

Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2017 01:25 PM (nNdYv)

329 "Not much to investigate. Did the Obama DOJ get a FISA warrant to wiretap Trump's office or not?"

Yep. Which should give names of who signed the affidavits. Next step is identifying the leakers

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 06, 2017 01:27 PM (SIY7D)

330 Other than all that killing and torturing and eliminating democracy, slaughtering priests to gain power, etc.
***
Just because it was a Republic and had Senators doesn't mean it was either a democracy or that it protected human rights.

And as an interesting counter example, I can think of one rather notable representative democracy that was destroyed by a invading force after much bloodshed - it was called the Confederacy.

And the Galactic Republic had exactly the same sin that people damn the Confederacy for - slavery.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:27 PM (X7E8f)

331 It's beginning to look a little as if the entire Star Wars oeuvre is simply a reconsideration of the American War Between The States, as told by someone who has never been east of the Sierra Nevada.

Carry. On.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2017 01:28 PM (H5rtT)

332 331 It's beginning to look a little as if the entire Star Wars oeuvre is simply a reconsideration of the American War Between The States, as told by someone who has never been east of the Sierra Nevada.

Carry. On.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2017 01:28 PM (H5rtT)

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Actually, if you want to drudge up potential historical analogies, Star Wars is about Vietnam.

Lucas has said so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:31 PM (mC1ZI)

333 325 Oh yeah, the Empire was definitely the good guys.

Other than all that killing and torturing and eliminating democracy, slaughtering priests to gain power, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2017 01:22 PM (39g3+)

Don't misunderstand. I'm not saying they wouldn't drone one of their citizens or wiretap a political opponent. "Good" being a relative term, I suppose. I guess we could go with the religious suicide bomber guy = good, but there's still the sticky little slavery bit.

The later movies make it even worse, too. Samuel L. Jedi's peaceful above-the-law approach to solving the galaxy's problems right before he gets pushed out of the window comes to mind.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 06, 2017 01:33 PM (/f1mm)

334 @332 Sure, but -- the bows. Long, or cross?

Francis Coppola obviously thought Vietnam was about The Congo.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2017 01:33 PM (H5rtT)

335 332-

So..... Vader=Nixon and Yoda=Ho Chi Minh. Do I have that right?

Posted by: Czar Peter at March 06, 2017 01:34 PM (Xe1T8)

336 Other than all that killing and torturing and eliminating democracy, slaughtering priests to gain power, etc.

In fairness, the Sith considered the Jedi to be devil worshipers.

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at March 06, 2017 01:34 PM (BE1GQ)

337 "Deep State" tag. It isn't a "state" and it sure as hell isn't very
deep. It gives the lying, cheating bastards far too much credibility.

They're more akin to mafioso.

Embedded Democratchiks.

Posted by: DaveA at March 06, 2017 01:35 PM (8J/Te)

338 @335 Was Lucas taking his pay "per Diem"?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2017 01:35 PM (H5rtT)

339 Embedded Democratchiks.

Harkonen Suicide Troops.

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at March 06, 2017 01:38 PM (BE1GQ)

340 339 Embedded Democratchiks.

Harkonen Suicide Troops.
Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at March 06, 2017 01:38 PM (BE1GQ)

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Dune!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 06, 2017 01:39 PM (mC1ZI)

341 Actually, if you want to drudge up potential historical analogies, Star Wars is about Vietnam.
***
I always loved how stylish North Vietnamese Princesses are.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:39 PM (X7E8f)

342 @341 Ooh.
Somebody's about to get free Cossack sword-dancing lessons.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2017 01:42 PM (H5rtT)

343 261 By the way: I can't recall seeing anything remotely like that Oval Office "surveillance" video before.

Even after recalibrating myself to the Factory Default Low-Info Voter mode, this still seems way over the line. Real paparazzi bullshit.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 06, 2017 01:04 PM (OVUYQ)

Yep. We've seen a few still photographs, but never video. At least that I'm aware of.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT at March 06, 2017 01:43 PM (nvMvs)

344 And the Galactic Republic had exactly the same sin that people damn the Confederacy for - slavery.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2017 01:27 PM (X7E8f)

Based on what? That Anakin was a slave? In Hutt space. A region not controlled by the Republic. I'm pretty sure they even mention not having authority there on Tattooine.

And if slavery is your example the Empire sure didn't seem to give a damn about it either since Jabba didn't have any qualms about having slaves, killing them, and even taking Leia as a new one.

Posted by: buzzion at March 06, 2017 01:43 PM (z/Ubi)

345 ...But she ends up queen of a completely unrelated planet...
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Dutch Republic to England
Hanover to England
Something

Posted by: Undocumented at March 06, 2017 02:09 PM (OmhcY)

346 Boy, those Germans and French must have been really pissed that we didn't give them 10 days notice back on D-day.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at March 06, 2017 05:04 PM (uaYXs)

347 #44 39 How does an administration fight the "deep state". How does Trump fight those inside intelligence that are working for Obama that can't be fired just because?

Firing squad...

Stalin would tell you it doesn't matter whom you shoot, just shoot someone and the rest will fall into line.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at March 06, 2017 05:07 PM (uaYXs)

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