Former Labor Nominee Andy Puzder: Political Opponents Sent Threats and a Suspicious White Powder to My <i>Wife</i>

Former Labor Nominee Andy Puzder: Political Opponents Sent Threats and a Suspicious White Powder to My Wife

While the media natters on about threats that have not been made, they are strangely quiet about threats that have actually been made.

Puzder said he received packages and letters that went beyond typical hate mail or opposition post cards distributed by left-wing groups and unions. A hazmat crew and FBI officials arrived at his Franklin, Tennessee home to retrieve and analyze a package containing white powder that his wife had opened, he said.
"There was an envelope left at our house addressed to my wife that had white powder in it, a pink piece of paper with 'Trump' written on it, and then obviously the white powder was in a plastic bag, but you open the envelope and a little powder came out," Puzder said. "We had an FBI terrorist team come to the house. We had a couple fire engines with hazmat teams come to the neighborhood."
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Activists from Fight for $15, a protest movement backed by Service Employees International Union, demonstrated at Puzder's front door. His wife opened another package containing a noose, though Puzder did not witness that incident.
"I didn't see it, but I was told there was a paper-doll with a noose around its neck and there was--again, addressed to my wife, not addressed to me, which shows the cowardice of these people," Puzder said.
SEIU did not respond to a request seeking comment about whether the union condemned such behavior.

Terrorist groups often form a supposedly "clean-hands" front group which can pose as a semi-respectable bargaining partner for those the terrorists terrorize. Black September created the PLO as their respectable front-face, for example. Correction: CBD tells me the PLO was formed several years before Black September. Okay - so swap in the IRA and the "political wing" Sinn Fein.

I kinda feel like the Democrat Party is the front group for the extremist and violent groups it actually works hand in hand with, and the media is their communications department and crisis management firm.

Posted by: Ace at 05:56 PM

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1 I'll get the corgis

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 05:49 PM (HDU3V)

2 Amazon broke the internet. And First

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 28, 2017 05:50 PM (M5NPS)

3 Skip it!

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 28, 2017 05:50 PM (M5NPS)

4 The media only eports what they want to, and whats on their agenda.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 05:50 PM (HDU3V)

5 And Code Pink is their masturbation front.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 05:51 PM (fi5nC)

6 Have the forensics folks analyzed the white powder yet?

Posted by: Basement Cat at February 28, 2017 05:51 PM (3C9q2)

7
This is how death squads and vigilante groups get started.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 05:51 PM (mbhDw)

8 I'm sure this is all Sarah Palin's fault.

Posted by: wooga at February 28, 2017 05:51 PM (3I7wr)

9
"White powder means whitey. And Joos."

- - DeRanged McKesson

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 05:52 PM (mbhDw)

10
The Democrat party passed semi-respectable a while back on their descent into despicable.

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 28, 2017 05:53 PM (M5NPS)

11 I look forward to SEIU tards being entirely replaced by robots in a few years.

Posted by: wooga at February 28, 2017 05:53 PM (3I7wr)

12 Really, how does this end peacefully?

Eventually, we the trained and armed are going to say "Let's roll."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 28, 2017 05:53 PM (cOHS7)

13 Ace: I kinda feel like the Democrat Party is the front group for the extremist and violent groups it actually works hand in hand with, and the media is their communications department and crisis management firm.

What an excellent summation of the situation!!!! This sentence deserves national dissemination!!!!!!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (br2jI)

14 White powder means whitey

Nah, it just means some kitteh's litter box is missing its powdered deodorant.

Posted by: Basement Cat at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (3C9q2)

15 ?broken link?

Posted by: Rembrandt at the company retreat at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (wPiJc)

16 White powder is better than white viscous fluid!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (sY5UJ)

17 His wife opened another package containing a noose, though Puzder did not witness that incident.
"I didn't see it, but I was told there was a paper-doll with a noose around its neck and there was--again, addressed to my wife, not addressed to me, which shows the cowardice of these people," Puzder said.

***********

Wow. SEIU is thuggy.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (fi5nC)

18

I agree. There is alot of violent disgusting terrorism being fronted by progressives. No doubt

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (MZ/gs)

19 The Left is moving so far to the left that violence is the next logical step and in many cases, we are already there.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (SjImc)

20 "I kinda feel like the Democrat Party is the front group for the extremist and violent groups it actually works hand in hand with"

Note how the preferred venues for the "antifa" and "black bloc" are large municipalities where progressive allies control City Hall, and can be relied on to keep the police safely reined in while the rioters ply their trade.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (noWW6)

21 Actually I think violence could be mainstreamed on the left. My old baby boomer comrades are unusually exercised over Trump and are filling Facebook with all kinds of incendiary rhetoric. Of course the joke is that in a real "revolution"--i.e., shooting war--they wouldn't stand a chance with their iPads and their Birkenstocks.

Posted by: Caliban at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (3GFMN)

22 I kinda feel like the Democrat Party is the front group for the extremist and violent groups it actually works hand in hand with, and the media is their communications department and crisis management firm

The worst part is they cover their domestic terrorism with platitudes and doublespeak about "Tolerance" and "Unity" and "Hate Has No Home Here" lawn signs.

Evil at its core.

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 05:55 PM (nNdYv)

23 WHITE POWDER!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 28, 2017 05:55 PM (sY5UJ)

24 and who's behind the Jewish center threats??? same assholes.. who should be jailed.

Posted by: Milo Y at February 28, 2017 05:55 PM (UpGcq)

25 /sock

Posted by: Muldoon at February 28, 2017 05:55 PM (wPiJc)

26
I agree. There is alot of violent disgusting terrorism being fronted by progressives. No doubt
Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (MZ/gs

Yup from BLM to the anti-Israel crap and on and on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 05:55 PM (SjImc)

27 >>>Wow. SEIU is thuggy.

They're the front group for AFSCME.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 28, 2017 05:55 PM (EUMr7)

28 I saw this in the MSM.... Right under the story of Kelly Ann and the feet on the couch story.. Oh, that's right Only the Kelly Ann story was covered...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 05:55 PM (O2RFr)

29 Your last paragraph nailed it, Ace. These are terrible people.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 05:56 PM (fDdVG)

30

Thats terrorism. Using violence or threat of violence to force a political outcome

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 05:56 PM (MZ/gs)

31 And Code Pink is their masturbation front.

We can help with that!

Posted by: Muslims for Pussy Hats at February 28, 2017 05:56 PM (pbkWd)

32 That cough doesn't sound so good!

Posted by: Solicitous Ad on Main Page at February 28, 2017 05:56 PM (PXbkt)

33 will Chris Cuomo on CNN be demanding that Democrat politicians publicly denounce such acts???

shouldn't be holding my breath, I guess

Posted by: mallflower on the range at February 28, 2017 05:56 PM (b7fwp)

34 >>>
and who's behind the Jewish center threats???

Gee. Don't know. What group consistently shows extreme hatred for the Jews?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 28, 2017 05:56 PM (EUMr7)

35
I wonder if SJP/CAIR is behind the JCC threats and cemetery thing

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 05:57 PM (MZ/gs)

36 "I look forward to SEIU tards being entirely replaced by robots in a few years."

Yeah, I can deal with pushing back the delivery schedule on the alluring sexbots, if it means that the Purple People Beaters get pink slips that much sooner.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 05:57 PM (noWW6)

37 Gee. Don't know. What group consistently shows extreme hatred for the Jews?

Neo Nazi Trump backers... At least that 's what the media says...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 05:57 PM (O2RFr)

38 >>>Thats terrorism. Using violence or threat of violence to force a political outcome

That's diplomacy.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 28, 2017 05:57 PM (EUMr7)

39
Cowards gonna coward.

Behind proxies, spoofed Caller ID, and electronically mangled voices over VOIP.

While we have a government which is unwilling to use the tools at their command to catch the people responsible.

Why? It's a simple answer. A deeply disturbing answer.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 28, 2017 05:58 PM (ZFUt7)

40 better yet, when will Keith Olbermann be asked to denounce such acts, so he can go into a rant about Trump?

Posted by: mallflower on the range at February 28, 2017 05:58 PM (b7fwp)

41 >>>
Neo Nazi Trump backers... At least that 's what the media says...

Funny way to say Humanities Departments.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 28, 2017 05:58 PM (EUMr7)

42 They were afraid that he would have a PAC put out a commercial with hot girls and guys in swimwear supporting his latest proposal, this resulting in huge public support for it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 05:58 PM (6Ll1u)

43 white powder? probably that cancer causing talcum powder. can't trust anybody today.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 28, 2017 05:59 PM (KP5rU)

44 >>There was an envelope left at our house addressed to my wife that had white powder in it

How Islamic of them.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:00 PM (/tuJf)

45 " I kinda feel like the Democrat Party is the front group for the extremist and violent groups it actually works hand in hand with, and the media is their communications department and crisis management firm."

See: Robert Creamer -- husband of Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky
and that's just one guy in one place

Posted by: Beto In Austin at February 28, 2017 06:00 PM (n8eXC)

46 So Iran is the worlds largest state sponsor of diplomacy?

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:00 PM (MZ/gs)

47 SEIU did not respond to a request seeking comment about whether the union condemned such behavior.

Because they support and encourage it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:00 PM (39g3+)

48 Soros. Clinton. Obama.
And all their capos.

Terrorists

Cut the head off the snake.

The problems will stop when the money and objects of worship are gone.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 28, 2017 06:01 PM (dyGok)

49 Well, this wouldn't happen if Trump wasn't literally Hitler! So it's literally his fault! Literally!

Posted by: tu3031 at February 28, 2017 06:01 PM (qJhUV)

50 white powder? probably that cancer causing talcum powder. can't trust anybody today.

Preach it brother!

Posted by: Talcum X at February 28, 2017 06:01 PM (pbkWd)

51 Just like all the "anarchists" destroying businesses while demanding single payer healthcare.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at February 28, 2017 06:01 PM (1JnAL)

52 There was speculation, I think on Rush, that instead of being vocal about his Trump pushback, Obama has/will go on the down low instead and push his post-presidential agenda covertly, community organizer style. Snake in the grass realness. Probably true, it seems his way.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2017 06:01 PM (hvf9s)

53 Yeah, I can deal with pushing back the delivery schedule on the alluring sexbots,

You sir, are not a great American!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at February 28, 2017 06:02 PM (pbkWd)

54
The lefts neo-brown shirts

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:02 PM (MZ/gs)

55 OT/ Fox says Trump is gonna offer a path to citizenship tonight...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 06:03 PM (O2RFr)

56 hmmm. Sounds like Trump is going to push comprehensive immigration reform tonight.

Not good.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:03 PM (/tuJf)

57 and who's behind the Jewish center threats???

Honestly, it is probably one retard in his mother's basement who googled the phone numbers of all the JCCs in Country.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:03 PM (SjImc)

58 I have to presume threats against his family were the reason he withdrew from consideration for Labor. Has that been confirmed? (I'm a little out of the loop on this one)

Posted by: Muldoon at February 28, 2017 06:04 PM (wPiJc)

59 My bad. I was just trying to give her a free sample of Gold Bond.

Posted by: Shaq at February 28, 2017 06:04 PM (lRwmz)

60 52: he will tire of that real soon. golf season is right around the next green. he's too lazy and inept to see anything through.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 28, 2017 06:04 PM (KP5rU)

61 52 There was speculation, I think on Rush, that instead of being vocal about his Trump pushback, Obama has/will go on the down low instead and push his post-presidential agenda covertly, community organizer style. Snake in the grass realness. Probably true, it seems his way.
Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2017 06:01 PM (hvf9s)

If you haven't noticed, the Clintons took back control of Dem machine, Obama just buried his disciples into the deep state.

Funny how that once Trump got his people in place, all the leaks coming from "government sources" have started to dry up.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at February 28, 2017 06:05 PM (1JnAL)

62 Posted by: Muldoon at February 28, 2017 06:04 PM (wPiJc)

I don't believe that he said that before but it would appear to be the reason.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 06:05 PM (fDdVG)

63 60 52: he will tire of that real soon. golf season is right around the next green. he's too lazy and inept to see anything through.

Since He's gotta spend His own money now He's gonna have to start making some of that sweet, sweet speech money...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 06:05 PM (O2RFr)

64 Sounds like Trump is going to push comprehensive immigration reform tonight.

Not good.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:03 PM (/tuJf)

Maybe, BUT this President is binding it building a wall and strict immigration laws and enforcement going forward. And what ever you think about "comprehensive" immigration reform, THAT is different from anything that has come before

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:06 PM (SjImc)

65 >>I have to presume threats against his family were the reason he withdrew from consideration for Labor. Has that been confirmed?

Reports I heard were that he was losing some Republican support and since he wasn't going to get any Democrats he pulled out rather than losing the confirmation vote.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:06 PM (/tuJf)

66 What I want is for the justice department to hunt these guys and land on them like the fist of God.

Honestly, it is probably one retard in his mother's basement who googled the phone numbers of all the JCCs in Country.

He's not flying around vandalizing Jewish cemeteries. I'm thinking its a bit more wide spread and significant than that. And given how slowly things are moving on it, someone that isn't politically convenient to the left. Its being going on a long time, back into the Obama administration and they didn't get anything done on it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:06 PM (39g3+)

67 Really your honor...we're just misunderstood, that's all.

Posted by: Democrats at February 28, 2017 06:06 PM (PiLeq)

68 Sounds like Trump is going to push comprehensive immigration reform tonight.

Based on what? Rumors? How many of these have to turn out utterly false before people stop falling for them?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:06 PM (39g3+)

69 Based on what? Rumors? How many of these have to turn out utterly false before people stop falling for them?

Fox said it, but they could be wrong too...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 06:07 PM (O2RFr)

70 Yeah, just like the PV video showing the DisruptJ20 guy saying he was going to burn the houses down of any DC authority that tried to stop them.

On the one hand, I doubt that wimpy Luke guy would really do it. But on the other hand, the leaders don't have to because they can just gin up the hate on social media, among their activist shock-troops and assorted crazies/homeless they're paying to protest, Robert Creamer style, and it just might happen.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 06:08 PM (NOIQH)

71 >>Based on what? Rumors? How many of these have to turn out utterly false before people stop falling for them?

No, based on reporting on Fox based on excerpts of the speech that has been released.

Not everything is a conspiracy by the media.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:08 PM (/tuJf)

72 I'm sure there's a very rational explanation for this mysterious white powder. Possibly someone of deep, deep conviction, like Sally Kohn, is using the skin she vacuums from her mattress as a means to connect with a wider audience because she cares so deeply.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 06:08 PM (YAPkP)

73 55 OT/ Fox says Trump is gonna offer a path to citizenship tonight...
=
enforcing current law means that a path is already in place

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 28, 2017 06:08 PM (dyGok)

74 Aside form this sort of terrorism, I'm glad Puzder withdrew.

You can't have a Labor Secretary that's pro open borders and all about cheap imported labor.

I would bet the majority of illegal immigrant jobs in established companies come from the fast food industry.

It used to be teenagers doing these jobs, now it's some 40 year old that barely speaks English.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 06:08 PM (njtEN)

75 The Jewish community centers and cemetery stuff is obviously being paid for by Soros to be blamed on Trump supporters, it's what he does.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 06:09 PM (6Ll1u)

76 If the FBI wanted to, they could trace those threats back to the people who made them. IF.

Posted by: OCBill at February 28, 2017 06:09 PM (df+Zi)

77
"I didn't see it, but I was told there was a paper-doll with a noose around its neck and there was--again, addressed to my wife,

Before we can call this an act of terrorism we need to know what color paper the doll was made out of

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 06:09 PM (lKyWE)

78 20
"I kinda feel like the Democrat Party is the front group for the
extremist and violent groups it actually works hand in hand with"

Note
how the preferred venues for the "antifa" and "black bloc" are large
municipalities where progressive allies control City Hall, and can be
relied on to keep the police safely reined in while the rioters ply
their trade.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 05:54 PM (noWW6)

Like the KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for many decades. Don't forget, folks, Bull Connor of firehose and dog fame was actually Alabama's representative on the DNC.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 28, 2017 06:09 PM (jK8Z7)

79 May not be a point in speculating immigration olly olly all in free, probably going to find out shortly.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:09 PM (HDU3V)

80 >>There was speculation, I think on Rush, that instead of being vocal
about his Trump pushback, Obama has/will go on the down low instead and
push his post-presidential agenda covertly, community organizer style.
Snake in the grass realness. Probably true, it seems his way.

This. His OFA had a staff of 32K, 250 offices across the country. After the election they've hired 20K+ (maybe 25K?) new activist.

He's taking his post-presidency community activism national, and he will keep his hands clean.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 06:10 PM (NOIQH)

81 Have to correct your timeline, Ace. The PLO was founded in 1964 (three years before the so-called Palestinian territories were occupied), Black September was founded in 1970.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 06:10 PM (ANIFC)

82 OT/ Fox says Trump is gonna offer a path to citizenship tonight...
=
enforcing current law means that a path is already in place
Posted by: Mortimer

I'll wait until I see it with my own eyes, but I wonder if he's just doing the reverse of the Amnesty crowd where he promises this but never delivers.

Sort of like "sure, we'll secure the border once we get our Amnesty"

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 06:10 PM (njtEN)

83 O.T.....I read about the first 1,000 Wendy's restaurants opting to go with self-help ordering kiosks, in lieu of human, hourly-paid workers. I can see the business sense in that, of course.

But were McDonalds to combine the self-help ordering kiosk, with a Japanese Sex Doll, well, first, the orders would be wild.

And second, McDonalds would shatter every sales increase record in the history of sales increase records.

That, just from sales from Teh Horde, I reckon?

"Happy Meal" would have an entirely new meaning there, now wouldn't it!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 28, 2017 06:10 PM (v5iqM)

84 enforcing current law means that a path is already in place
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 28, 2017 06:08 PM (dyGok)

Yes there is a path to citizenship and it includes conditions and qualifiers, primary being no criminal record.

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 06:10 PM (nNdYv)

85 Maybe, BUT this President is binding it building a wall and strict immigration laws and enforcement going forward.
====

Have we heard anything recently about E-Verify? That always seems like the most important piece of the puzzle, even more than border control. (For stopping the large-scale economic migration, anyway.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 28, 2017 06:11 PM (PXbkt)

86 I know there's a hiring freeze and everything, but if somebody could put in a good word with President Trump for me, I'd really appreciate it.

Posted by: Leonardo DiCaprio's Eyebrow Artist at February 28, 2017 06:12 PM (97XyN)

87 Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 28, 2017 06:10 PM (v5iqM)

I like teh way you're thinkin', Jim!!!!!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 28, 2017 06:12 PM (br2jI)

88

Remember Barack "I'm the only one standing between you and the pitchforks, Mr. CEO" Obama?

Posted by: imp at February 28, 2017 06:12 PM (XIXZz)

89 I think you have to give Sessions a month or two to get up to speed with the AG department, so he can get competent and non-Leftist cops onto the trail of these shitweasels.

He has to identify the bad apples, i.e Obamabots, and either fire them, or somehow sideline them so they don't actively corrupt investigations into Leftist thugs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 06:12 PM (WDdjT)

90 CNN is reporting on it too. They are saying that he wants to do it but he has not decided whether to include it in tonight's speech.

One significant piece, it will grant legalized status to some illegals but no citizenship. That's his compromise.

Awful lot of details for a phony plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:13 PM (/tuJf)

91 I wanna see RICO prosecutions for the whole conspiracy network.

Starting at Obama's OfA and working all the way back to the deep pockets funding the violence and intimidation.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 06:13 PM (oVJmc)

92 Someone said white powder?

Posted by: Zombie Marrion Barry at February 28, 2017 06:13 PM (lRwmz)

93 I'm remembering much of terrorism in the early 70's was in support of the PLO, bombings, aircraft highjacks.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:13 PM (HDU3V)

94 No, based on reporting on Fox based on excerpts of the speech that has been released.

And yet, somehow, we haven't heard the speech yet to know what its actually about. Seriously, how many times does this have to happen...

You know what? I'll just wait til tomorrow on this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:14 PM (39g3+)

95 I'm remembering much of terrorism in the early 70's was in support of the PLO, bombings, aircraft highjacks.

It was either them or IRA, doing all of the terrorist stuff.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:14 PM (39g3+)

96 A lot of the more recent domestic terrorism has been done by ELF and ALF.
Lefties, of course.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 06:15 PM (NOIQH)

97 CNN is reporting on it too. They are saying that he wants to do it but he has not decided whether to include it in tonight's speech.

One significant piece, it will grant legalized status to some illegals but no citizenship. That's his compromise.

Awful lot of details for a phony plan.
Posted by: JackStraw

___________

It won't win over a single Trump hater and has the potential to make his supporters abandon him.

If Trump ever loses the base, good luck, he'll lose 40 states if he wants to run on his negotiation strategies next election.

If True, sounds like Ivanka is whispering in his ear.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 06:15 PM (njtEN)

98 If I shot the protesters on my lawn would I still get the Senate to confirm me?

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 06:16 PM (zZb/S)

99
This. His OFA had a staff of 32K, 250 offices across the country. After the election they've hired 20K+ (maybe 25K?) new activist.

Did they change the name? Originally it was Organizing for Action and now the msm is calling it Organizing for America.A bit less militant

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 06:17 PM (lKyWE)

100 Leonardo DiCaprio's Eyebrow Artist at February 28, 2017 06:12 PM (97XyN)

***************

Ha!

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 06:17 PM (fi5nC)

101 What time is the speech on anyway? I wanta have my snacks lined up.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 06:17 PM (6Ll1u)

102

This. His OFA had a staff of 32K, 250 offices across the country. After the election they've hired 20K+ (maybe 25K?) new activist.

He's taking his post-presidency community activism national, and he will keep his hands clean.
Posted by: Lizzy

Not at $15/hr with benefits.

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 06:17 PM (zZb/S)

103 This is, by definition, an Act of Terrorism...

Intimidation though the threat of violence.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:18 PM (NgKpN)

104 I can't stand SOTU speeches, they're so dull and pointless. I wish Trump would turn it into a board meeting speech and run down the government's state in terms of a business, but it will be more of his usual stuff, I think.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:18 PM (39g3+)

105 99
This. His OFA had a staff of 32K, 250 offices across the country. After the election they've hired 20K+ (maybe 25K?) new activist.

Did they change the name? Originally it was Organizing for Action and now the msm is calling it Organizing for America.A bit less militant
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 06:17 PM (lKyWE)

That's a damn big payroll... where's the money coming from?

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:19 PM (NgKpN)

106 Where the hell did they even come up with the name Code Pink....

Just think how drunk you would have to be to say--

"Damn Right--I ordered the Code Pink!!"

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 06:19 PM (fi5nC)

107 I'm not giving any advice other than to say what I do. Go to a big blue area, go armed. PERIOD.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 28, 2017 06:19 PM (cOHS7)

108 And in the President's speach...........The immigrants go to...........
the envelope please.........

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:19 PM (HDU3V)

109 Did they change the name? Originally it was Organizing for Action and now the msm is calling it Organizing for America.A bit less militant

Ah, but originally it was 'Organizing for Obama' during the 2008 campaign. His own little stormtroops.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 06:19 PM (oVJmc)

110 If he builds a freakin wall he earns the right to initiate some small amount of "good cop" style immigration reform.

Posted by: Max Power at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (q177U)

111 For decades the Ku Klux Klan was the paramilitary arm of the Democrat Party.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (sdi6R)

112 98 If I shot the protesters on my lawn would I still get the Senate to confirm me?
Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 06:16 PM (zZb/S)

You sure as hell wouldn't get me to convict ya'.

Nice of you to inquire about me on the last thread, BTW. Appreciate it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (fiGNd)

113 If tonight Trump proposes to legalize the illegals, it will be the greatest act of statesmanship since Nixon went to China.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (3OAG2)

114 If tonight Trump proposes to legalize the illegals, it will be the greatest act of statesmanship since Nixon went to China!
Posted by: Charles Krauthammer

I quite agree, Charles.

And if he agrees to open our borders to unlimited Islamic immigration and drops his dangerous and stupid plan to limit Muslims through extreme vetting, I am prepared to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (3OAG2)

115 If tonight Trump proposes to legalize the illegals, it will be the greatest act of statemanship since Nixon went to China!
Posted by: Charles Krauthammer

I quite agree, Charles.

And if he agrees to open our borders to unlimited Islamic immigration and drops his dangerous and stupid plan to limit Muslims through extreme vetting, I am prepared to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Posted by:Bill Kristol

Yes, yes, you're both certainly correct.

And if Trump were to drop his silly ideas about industrial jobs for the American working class and agrees to a comprehensive global free trade agreement, I am prepared to reduce my references to him as Hitler by 50%.

Posted by: Bret Stephens at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (3OAG2)

116 If tonight Trump proposes to legalize the illegals, it will be the greatest act of statemanship since Nixon went to China!
Posted by: Charles Krauthammer

I quite agree, Charles.

And if he agrees to open our borders to unlimited Islamic immigration and drops his dangerous and stupid plan to limit Muslims through extreme vetting, I am prepared to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Posted by:Bill Kristol

Yes, yes, you're both certainly correct.

And if Trump were to drop his silly ideas about industrial jobs for the American working class and agrees to a comprehensive global free trade agreement, I am prepared to reduce my references to him as Hitler by 50%.
Posted by: Bret Stephens

This thread makes a lot of sense to me.

And if President Trump agrees tonight to drone Syrian President Assad, carpet bomb the Russian naval base in Syria, and post mocking photoshops of Putin on his Twitter feed, I will sponsor his membership in the Council on Foreign Relations.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (3OAG2)

117 It's closing time--I guess I'll take the--Code Pink!

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (fi5nC)

118 One significant piece, it will grant legalized status to some illegals but no citizenship. That's his compromise.
Posted by: JackStraw

There's two ways to do that. One way hurts American workers. I trust he'll choose the other way.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (ZFUt7)

119 94,
Wait for the speech and then comment on the actions?
Where's the fun in that?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 28, 2017 06:21 PM (MINbv)

120 "Just like all the 'anarchists' destroying businesses while demanding single payer healthcare."

Or my personal favorite, from Greece, the "anarchists" who rioted in Athens and caused massive damage. While protesting an announcement of... a reduction in the cushy benefits and pensions for Greek public sector functionaries.

In other words, anarchists for big government.

Unclear On The Concept, lifetime achievement award.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 06:21 PM (noWW6)

121 "You sure as hell wouldn't get me to convict ya'.

Nice of you to inquire about me on the last thread, BTW. Appreciate it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:20 PM (fiGNd)"
-------------------
Another weapon the left uses, jury nullification and I'm right there with you brother.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 28, 2017 06:21 PM (cOHS7)

122 >>That's a damn big payroll... where's the money coming from?

Because of their tax status they don;t have to tell us.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/18/
obama-linked-activists-have-a-training-manual-for-protesting-trump/

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 06:21 PM (NOIQH)

123 White powder!

Posted by: Cockroach Keith Richards at February 28, 2017 06:21 PM (89T5c)

124 Terrorist groups often form a supposedly "clean-hands" front group which can pose as a semi-respectable bargaining partner for those the terrorists terrorize.

Let's talk about what happened in Boulder recently.
http://tinyurl.com/zftej9f

A so-called "direct action" group put little flowers on uncovered meat in a store. $1000 worth of meat was sabotaged in this way.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 06:22 PM (6FqZa)

125 I can't stand SOTU speeches, they're so dull and pointless. I wish Trump would turn it into a board meeting speech and run down the government's state in terms of a business, but it will be more of his usual stuff, I think.

Trump never does anything in the traditional way. Look at his freaking acceptance speech, holy hell that was awesome.

Posted by: Max Power at February 28, 2017 06:22 PM (q177U)

126 I resigned myself a long time ago that illegal immigrants who have been here for X years or have anchor babies will be staying.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 06:22 PM (ANIFC)

127 I can't stand SOTU speeches, they're so dull and pointless. I wish Trump would turn it into a board meeting speech and run down the government's state in terms of a business, but it will be more of his usual stuff, I think.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:18 PM (39g3+)

^^ This, plus I'd really like it if he opened up with "Hey, you know these horseshit 'applause lines' I'm supposed to be delivering during my speech? Well, eat a bag, I don't want to hear a peep out of you until I'm done."

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 28, 2017 06:22 PM (br2jI)

128 73 55 OT/ Fox says Trump is gonna offer a path to citizenship tonight...
=
enforcing current law means that a path is already in place
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 28, 2017 06:08 PM (dyGok)

And if he does.... the next incarnation of the Perot to TEA Party to Trumpsters.... who are once more betrayed... will be even angrier...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:22 PM (NgKpN)

129 Kinda?

Posted by: blaster at February 28, 2017 06:22 PM (HV1LS)

130 105
That's a damn big payroll... where's the money coming from?
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:19 PM (NgKpN)

Somehow I have the feeling it's coming from us, the American taxpayers. Were all those stimulus funds accounted for?

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2017 06:23 PM (sdi6R)

131 >>If he builds a freakin wall he earns the right to initiate some small amount of "good cop" style immigration reform.

Really? So if he enforces the border law some form of amnesty is ok?

I've never thought a wall was some magic bullet, it's just a tool, and an expensive one, to help enforce laws that have been on the books forever. This has always been a big issue for me and I prefer he not give legal status to millions of illegals.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:24 PM (/tuJf)

132 I resigned myself a long time ago that illegal immigrants who have been here for X years or have anchor babies will be staying.
Posted by: josephistan

I never really believed all of them would be getting kicked out, but at least have a trip wire of not formally giving them voting rights and government bennies.

Make them stay in the shadows

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 06:25 PM (njtEN)

133 One significant piece, it will grant legalized status to some illegals but no citizenship. That's his compromise.
Posted by: JackStraw

Then ... in my humble opinion ... that would be a "W" level of naive.

Because if they're legalized - in any form - they WILL be granted citizenship and voting sooner rather than later. I don't give a shit what the letter of the law says. That's how the courts will run it ... and Republicans will line up like good little soldiers and obey it.

Just my opinion ... but I think recent history is on my side.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:25 PM (fiGNd)

134 Were all those stimulus funds accounted for?"

Yep. The White House staff knew where every dollar went.

And you'll never know.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 28, 2017 06:25 PM (MINbv)

135 I hope Sessions is quiet because he is preparing three hundred indictments.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 28, 2017 06:25 PM (zePEG)

136
Because if they're legalized - in any form - they WILL be granted citizenship and voting sooner rather than later. I don't give a shit what the letter of the law says. That's how the courts will run it ... and Republicans will line up like good little soldiers and obey it.

Just my opinion ... but I think recent history is on my side.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:25 PM (fiGNd)

Yeah, I think that's true.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 06:26 PM (ANIFC)

137 Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:25 PM (fiGNd)

If they are here... they vote anyway... citizenship be damned...

I've SEEN it here in California...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:26 PM (NgKpN)

138 I've never thought a wall was some magic bullet, it's just a tool, and an expensive one, to help enforce laws that have been on the books forever. This has always been a big issue for me and I prefer he not give legal status to millions of illegals.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:24 PM (/tuJf)

I "prefer"not to also. If they came here illegally, they should not get any goodies, HOWEVER, on a practical level there are so many of them here that some sort of "legalization" for some of them is the only practical thing to do. The trick is how to do it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:26 PM (SjImc)

139 I'll wait until I see it with my own eyes, but I wonder if he's just doing the reverse of the Amnesty crowd where he promises this but never delivers.

Sort of like "sure, we'll secure the border once we get our Amnesty"

---
How about, "you'll get your amnesty once we build the wall"?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:27 PM (kca06)

140 >>Let's talk about what happened in Boulder recently.

http://tinyurl.com/zftej9f

A so-called "direct action" group put little flowers on uncovered
meat in a store. $1000 worth of meat was sabotaged in this way.

Reminds me of when ELF activists burned down a Vail Resorts expansion a while back, resulting in them having to purchase a whole lot more lumber to rebuild the destroyed buildings.

How is destroying meat and lumber showing that you care about animals and trees???

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 06:28 PM (NOIQH)

141 I resigned myself a long time ago that illegal immigrants who have been here for X years or have anchor babies will be staying.

Well even during the campaign Trump said he was only interested in deporting violence criminals etc. He's been big on the wall but always soft on immigration in other areas, the guy is in construction for crying out loud.

But, wait and see, what we get in the news and what actually takes place is usually very different.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:28 PM (39g3+)

142 I could be the cold heartless bastard, no citizenship ever, no voting, some kind of permanent green card but one f up such as caught voting, your out of here.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:28 PM (HDU3V)

143 Once you've agreed they can legally stay, then Republicans will have the privilege of arguing how long 30 million Hispanics get to be "2nd class citizens"

So they'll all be sworn in as US citizens in about two election cycles.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 06:28 PM (njtEN)

144 Something like 400 political appointments waiting for senate confirmation, and Trump has gotten only 4, so far. Meanwhile, the senate is on vacation, and time available for debate keeps slipping away.

"Slow walking" the bureaucrats call it.

Trump not only as to battle the democrats, the GOP is also his enemy in congress.

Posted by: Nester Wayless at February 28, 2017 06:29 PM (ZIqlk)

145 He needs to build a wall too, not a fence. Did you see the video of trucks coming through the fence after a hole was cut in it? Won't happen with a wall.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 06:29 PM (6Ll1u)

146 >>I "prefer"not to also. If they came here illegally, they should not get any goodies, HOWEVER, on a practical level there are so many of them here that some sort of "legalization" for some of them is the only practical thing to do. The trick is how to do it.

I don't consider that a given. I do think Romney was right that we could make conditions so tough, E-Verify, fining the shit out of companies that higher illegals, etc., that many if not most would have self-deported.

I don't think Trump needs to do this but he hasn't asked my opinion lately.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:29 PM (/tuJf)

147 I hope he says:
I've put the word out to all federal LEOs that they're going enforce all those laws that you guys passed but Obama declined to enforce. And we are going to do everything in our power to facilitate families of the victims of illegal alien crimes in their attempts to personally sue LEOs, agencies, judges and congress who aided and abetted the failure to enforce constitutionally enacted laws.

Oh BTW....all you dreamers and illegal aliens in attendance tonight, and all you who sponsored them to attend, please remain seated until the Police come to your seats to escort you to jail.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 28, 2017 06:29 PM (NJYYf)

148
I read about the first 1,000 Wendy's restaurants opting to go with self-help ordering kiosks, in lieu of human, hourly-paid workers.

Local Jack in the Box has a kiosk and a live person.
You can use either one.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 28, 2017 06:30 PM (IqV8l)

149 How about, "you'll get your amnesty once we build the wall"?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:27 PM (kca06)

Reagan tried that.... and now we have MILLIONS of more illegals...

If you grant amnesty... it will never end... their will ALWAYS be a call for another round of amnesty...

I take this seriously, because I live in the town I grew up in... 50 years ago? 75% White....

Now? 68% Hispanic.... that is an invasion...

Oh, and don't even bother applying for any normal type of job unless you are bilingual...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:30 PM (NgKpN)

150 Because if they're legalized - in any form - they WILL be granted citizenship and voting sooner rather than later. I don't give a shit what the letter of the law says. That's how the courts will run it ... and Republicans will line up like good little soldiers and obey it.

Just my opinion ... but I think recent history is on my side.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:25 PM (fiGNd)

This^^^

Posted by: The 9th District at February 28, 2017 06:30 PM (48QDY)

151 You know 1 more Leftist as President and the EO's of making every illegal a citizen as Hillary said she would do will happen.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (HDU3V)

152 143 Once you've agreed they can legally stay, then Republicans will have the privilege of arguing how long 30 million Hispanics get to be "2nd class citizens"

So they'll all be sworn in as US citizens in about two election cycles.
Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 06:28 PM (njtEN)

Bingo. It's the easiest issue for the Dems to demagogue imaginable.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (3OAG2)

153
He's been big on the wall but always soft on immigration in other areas, the guy is in construction for crying out loud.

He probably employees more illegals in his hotel and golf resort business than on the constuction side

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (lKyWE)

154 If they came here illegally, they should not get any goodies, HOWEVER, on a practical level there are so many of them here that some sort of "legalization" for some of them is the only practical thing to do. The trick is how to do it.

How about not giving in to them?
How about fixing stolen identities for free at no cost to the person whose ID was stolen?
How about deporting those caught?
How about asset forfeiture for those caught hiring illehals?

Practically? Let's give them the keys to the kingdom and reward them.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (kca06)

155 I don't consider that a given. I do think Romney was right that we could make conditions so tough, E-Verify, fining the shit out of companies that higher illegals, etc., that many if not most would have self-deported.

I don't think Trump needs to do this but he hasn't asked my opinion lately.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:29 PM (/tuJf)

I don't disagree with that. As i said the devil is in the details. I would offer some sort of "legalization" but make it G-D damn hard

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (SjImc)

156 Prediction:

Tonight's speech will be a huge dressing down of congress in it's entirety as Trump hungers to expand his Total War Against the Establishment.

Posted by: Max Power at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (q177U)

157

Word is that Trump is going to let illegals brought as children stay unless they commit a crime

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:32 PM (MZ/gs)

158 145>> He needs to build a wall too, not a fence. Did you see the video of trucks coming through the fence after a hole was cut in it? Won't happen with a ~~wall~~ few well placed rockets.

FIFY

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 28, 2017 06:32 PM (NJYYf)

159 Reagan tried that.... and now we have MILLIONS of more illegals...

We never built the wall first.......

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:32 PM (kca06)

160 There is no end of the illegal immigration turnstile if its not stopped cold.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:32 PM (HDU3V)

161 143 Once you've agreed they can legally stay, then Republicans will have the privilege of arguing how long 30 million Hispanics get to be "2nd class citizens"

So they'll all be sworn in as US citizens in about two election cycles.

That's how I see it.

Then again ... in my eyes ... this is a feature now more than ever. Establishment Republicans want Trump gone - and never want another Trump ever again. And they sure as hell never want to be the Majority Party ever again. This Being In Charge shit is a drag.

You know what fixes all those problems ? Thirty Million new Hispanic voters.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:33 PM (fiGNd)

162 How about not giving in to them?
How about fixing stolen identities for free at no cost to the person whose ID was stolen?
How about deporting those caught?
How about asset forfeiture for those caught hiring illehals?

Practically? Let's give them the keys to the kingdom and reward them.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (kca06)

Are you arguing with me? Because much of what you are saying I agree with. I am not talking about rewarding anyone.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:33 PM (SjImc)

163 He probably employees more illegals in his hotel and golf resort business than on the constuction side

Likely, yeah.

Back on topic, though, the left is showing it has zero restraint when it comes to trying to get power back, and the Trump administration needs to come down hard on this stuff. Letting it go only encourages more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:33 PM (39g3+)

164 Back. Taxes.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 28, 2017 06:33 PM (dyGok)

165 One line I've heard Trump use over and over is "they have to go back home, then they can apply" which to me is a throw away line that means permanent deportation, so maybe that's Trump's plan.

A "path to citizenship" that's complete horseshit but sounds nice.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 06:34 PM (njtEN)

166 Are you arguing with me? Because much of what you are saying I agree with. I am not talking about rewarding anyone.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Not arguing. Just trying to point out to a lot of people that there is more to it than just making amnesty hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:34 PM (kca06)

167 Sad I will not see this speach live.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:34 PM (HDU3V)

168 116 If tonight Trump proposes to legalize the illegals, it will be the greatest act of statemanship since Nixon went to China!
Posted by: Charles Krauthammer

I quite agree, Charles.

And if he agrees to open our borders to unlimited Islamic immigration and drops his dangerous and stupid plan to limit Muslims through extreme vetting, I am prepared to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Posted by:Bill Kristol

Yes, yes, you're both certainly correct.

And if Trump were to drop his silly ideas about industrial jobs for the American working class and agrees to a comprehensive global free trade agreement, I am prepared to reduce my references to him as Hitler by 50%.
Posted by: Bret Stephens

This thread makes a lot of sense to me.

And if President Trump agrees tonight to drone Syrian President Assad, carpet bomb the Russian naval base in Syria, and post mocking photoshops of Putin on his Twitter feed, I will sponsor his membership in the Council on Foreign Relations.
Posted by: Lindsey Graham

Lindsay would agree that if Trump decides to ignore human trafficking, child sex trafficking, and illegal organ harvesting in third world countries for the wealthy class of global citizens then I promise to call back the price on his and his family's heads I placed on the dark web.

Posted by: John McCain at February 28, 2017 06:34 PM (gt2pY)

169 164 Back. Taxes.
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 28, 2017 06:33 PM (dyGok)

My recommendation is to start drinking heavily.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2017 06:35 PM (ywNoU)

170 "A so-called 'direct action' group put little flowers on uncovered meat in a store."

Tappity tappity tap. ::: reads :::

"The store cannot sell the meat due to the tampering, and Cordingly said the market's loss is estimated to be more than $1,000."

Unsaleable? Due to contact with... flowers? Such a waste. If only there were processes by which such meat could be rendered palatable, and delicious, rather than discarded. Perhaps by the application of heat and smoke. But the results of such processes would have to be extensively tested in humans.

I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!!!

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 06:35 PM (noWW6)

171 Shocked shocked etc

Posted by: your winnings, sir at February 28, 2017 06:35 PM (LTHVh)

172 140
How is destroying meat and lumber showing that you care about animals and trees???
Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 06:28 PM (NOIQH)

It's complicated.

Posted by: PETA, euthanizing stray animals at February 28, 2017 06:35 PM (sdi6R)

173 One line I've heard Trump use over and over is "they have to go back home, then they can apply"
===

That is exactly what current law and enforcing current Law requires.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 28, 2017 06:35 PM (dyGok)

174

What he says is less important than what he does

He bargains/negotiates everything. We'll see

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:35 PM (MZ/gs)

175 Back. Taxes.

Since Jesus was paid under the table, he claims 5 pesos, senor. About 3 centavos American.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:36 PM (kca06)

176
I kinda feel like the Democrat Party is the front group for the extremist and violent groups...

Join the club.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 28, 2017 06:36 PM (aaHY9)

177 156 Prediction:

Tonight's speech will be a huge dressing down of congress in it's entirety as Trump hungers to expand his Total War Against the Establishment.
====

I can't watch the address live, but I hope he doesn't dress them down. Because if he does, I'll never forgive myself for missing it. That Acosta press conference was the most amazing thing I've ever seen, and it was mainly because of the unexpectedness and the live-TV-high-wire-act aspect. (Also the insults and one-liners.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 28, 2017 06:36 PM (PXbkt)

178
Word is that Trump is going to let illegals brought as children stay unless they commit a crime
Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:32 PM (MZ/gs)

+++

How in the world can that be proven or disproven?
Holy hell. If he gives it up, I will not be able to stand it

Posted by: washrivergal at February 28, 2017 06:37 PM (Ivjge)

179 Two hours and a fraction left, why speculate ?
We'll know for sure in a short time.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 28, 2017 06:37 PM (Oeb2k)

180
It's nice to see people finally realize we're dealing with The Left; not with "liberals."

These people are Leftists.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 28, 2017 06:37 PM (aaHY9)

181 I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!!!
Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 06:35 PM (noWW6)

You got a smoker ? If not - it ain't that hard to get started. Trust me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:38 PM (fiGNd)

182

All i know is they are deporting now. We will see

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:39 PM (MZ/gs)

183 Apparently, I was correct in my thinking to keep plant life as far from my steaks as possible.

Posted by: PabloD at February 28, 2017 06:39 PM (pfnHM)

184 179 Two hours and a fraction left, why speculate ?
We'll know for sure in a short time.

We did solve The Mystery of Bigger Girls With Pretty Faces in the last thread ... so sky's the limit, I guess.

Got any ideas ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 06:40 PM (fiGNd)

185 156 Prediction:

Tonight's speech will be a huge dressing down of congress in it's entirety as Trump hungers to expand his Total War Against the Establishment.
Posted by: Max Power at February 28, 2017 06:31 PM (q177U)

As I said this morning, Trump can't go far wrong if he goes full Oliver Cromwell.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2017 06:40 PM (sdi6R)

186 Not good if Trump gives an inch on Immigration. The opposition will continue to act out. Plus, broken promises.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 06:40 PM (gt2pY)

187 The regulations require destroying food if it comes into contact with "foreign matter" because there's no control. Who knows where those flowers have been or what is on them? The people handling the flowers probably are covered with bacteria and nasty crud to begin with. Its overcautious but when it comes to food, well better safe than sorry.

Its like the recall of foods. Say one piece of glass gets in a shipment of 10000 jars of baby food. You don't know which one has the glass, so you recall them all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:41 PM (39g3+)

188
Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers
In everybody's pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at February 28, 2017 06:41 PM (TixTl)

189
One line I've heard Trump use over and over is "they have to go back home,

The biggest myth of the entire immigration scam is that Mexicans returning home will be a terrible ordeal for them.I've worked in an industry with a largely hispanic workforce and they go back home often to visit family and friends and they enjoy their time back home.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 06:41 PM (lKyWE)

190 Supposed to be lots of "guests" tonight, all kinds of special interest groups, Hispanic Muslims whose fathers were transgender and were racially profiled and couldn't get loans and such.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:42 PM (HDU3V)

191 186 Not good if Trump gives an inch on Immigration. The opposition will continue to act out. Plus, broken promises.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 06:40 PM (gt2pY)

Yup... you never gain cooperation from the Left by giving in to their demands...

You will however, loose support...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:42 PM (NgKpN)

192

He will give an inch, the left will freak out and reject it

And he will say "I have no choice but to enforce existing law"

Bye

Bye

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:42 PM (MZ/gs)

193 Oooh, white powder!

Posted by: Mia Wallace at February 28, 2017 06:43 PM (V4Qfo)

194 DML -I see lots of 'southern neighbors ' and sure many travel back and forth as well.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:43 PM (HDU3V)

195 "Trump can't go far wrong if he goes full Oliver Cromwell."

Sure not gonna alienate anyone who voted for him if he does. And everyone else has already declared themselves an enemy, so win - win.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 28, 2017 06:43 PM (Oeb2k)

196

I tried to be reasonable, but the Democrats were unreasonable

Bye

Bye

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:44 PM (MZ/gs)

197 Yeah if Trump gives a inch the Leftists will want total surrender with no borders.

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:45 PM (HDU3V)

198 "The biggest myth of the entire immigration scam is that Mexicans returning home will be a terrible ordeal for them."

There are also the numerous cases of "refugees" who claimed in their application hearings here in the States that they faced inescapable risks of persecution, incarceration, assault, injury and death if they remained in their countries of origin.

Oh! The pathos!

Who then go on to, once they have their papers stamped with confirmed refugee status by Uncle Sugar, and are drawing benefits in the USA, regularly get on a plane to go back and visit those countries where they had claimed they would be put in such terrible danger.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 06:46 PM (noWW6)

199 So Maxine ("Putin Invaded Korea") Waters is going to boycott Trump's speech. What a shame!/sarc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 06:46 PM (fDdVG)

200 How bout you can stay if you have never used a false ID/SS number while getting a job. Sorry that's a felony, you gotta go. We could again run a temporary worker program to benefit both countries, but the family stays home and marches on the street waving flags in protest to fix corruption that keeps them oppressed in the first place. Fix your own house, don't expect me to do it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 06:46 PM (6Ll1u)

201 Black September created the PLO as their respectable front-face, for example.

Uh ... Black September didn't create the PLO ... and the PLO was never respectable. The PLO was always a flat-out terrorist org.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 28, 2017 06:46 PM (zc3Db)

202

The laws are on the books, they dont negotiate, he will enforce them

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (MZ/gs)

203 This Russia thing will not end, would I really want is one Leftist or Rino to tell me in your wildest imagination wtf did the Russians do ?

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (HDU3V)

204 1. Vigorously enforce ALL immigration laws.
2. Deport every illegal arrested/convicted of a crime.
3. BUILD THE WALL.
4. Deport every illegal on Gov't Dole
5. Evaluate those left.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (br2jI)

205 If the Left thinks that they made Trump cave after just a month, there will be no stopping them, and what little backbone the GOP has will evaporate as well.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (ANIFC)

206
If I was Trump everyday I'd sit with the Bureau of Labor Statistics chart for American labor participation smack dab in the center of my desk. Telling everyone, 'If you didn't come here to help me fix this, then there's the door'.

It all totally falls apart if some percentage of Americans don't work. That donkey doesn't pull the cart if too many are on for the ride.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (ZFUt7)

207 Have not looked it up but PLO was first, other groups and terrorism was after and in support of the PLO

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:48 PM (HDU3V)

208 OT - why are these meat puppets on FOX prattling on about Russia-trump ties and the stolen election.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 28, 2017 06:49 PM (P/kVC)

209 a pink piece of paper with 'Trump' written on it, and then obviously the white powder

At least he got a card. That was nice.

Posted by: Chief Just-us John Roberts at February 28, 2017 06:49 PM (eeTCA)

210 This Russia thing will not end, would I really want is one Leftist or Rino to tell me in your wildest imagination wtf did the Russians do ?

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (HDU3V)

The Russians are the only ones on Earth capable of running an email phishing operation. PROOF! Q.E.D. Settled science!

Come on ... this isn't rocket surgery.

Posted by: The CIA and related retarded intel orgs at February 28, 2017 06:49 PM (zc3Db)

211 Just finished dinner.

The front man for the extremists on the Left is Barack Hussein Obama.

"You bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

"Get in their faces!"

And Chinless Holder promises Barry is back. Urging on the commies, socialists, anarchists, and other low life.

Because that was always what Little Barry did best.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:50 PM (PY9jH)

212 Here is the Oliver Cromwell speech I referenced:

http://www.emersonkent.com/speeches/dismissal_of_the_rump_parliament.htm

Does a single word of that not apply to Congress today?

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2017 06:50 PM (sdi6R)

213 210 This Russia thing will not end, would I really want is one Leftist or Rino to tell me in your wildest imagination wtf did the Russians do ?

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (HDU3V)

The Russians are the only ones on Earth capable of running an email phishing operation. PROOF! Q.E.D. Settled science!

Come on ... this isn't rocket surgery.
Posted by: The CIA and related retarded intel orgs at February 28, 2017 06:49 PM (zc3Db)

The fact that Podesta is a retard when it comes to IT security makes it even easier.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2017 06:50 PM (ywNoU)

214 President Trump should respond to such acts of terror by proclaiming the Labor Department unsafe and that it and the position of Secretary of Labor be abolished for the good of all.

Next up, Department of Homeland Security.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 28, 2017 06:51 PM (5VlCp)

215 "How bout you can stay if you have never used a false ID/SS number while getting a job. Sorry that's a felony, you gotta go."

You will actually hear it argued by Democrats that illegals working under a stolen tax ID number is *beneficial*, because "they're paying in money that helps keep the system going".

Yeah right. Most likely, said illegals are claiming EITC benefits fraudulently under that ID, and they're pulling money *out* of the public fisc rather than putting it in.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 06:51 PM (noWW6)

216 203 This Russia thing will not end, would I really want is one Leftist or Rino to tell me in your wildest imagination wtf did the Russians do ?
Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:47 PM (HDU3V)

They dumped million$ into the Clinton slush fund and received US uranium totally unrelated.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 28, 2017 06:52 PM (P/kVC)

217 Kerosene Maxine truly has a face that would scare the proverbial bulldog off a meat wagon.

And she does like the expression one would sport after taking a swig of kerosene, hence the name.

Every time I see her I think of Fred Sanford when Aunt Esther would come in. He would get this look of revulsion on his face and make some joke about how ugly she was. And she'd come back with something about "fish eyed fool" to him.

Kerosene Maxine makes Aunt Esther look hot.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 28, 2017 06:52 PM (DW+jj)

218 "We never built the wall first......."

And in solidarity with the American people, we're ready, willing, and able to not build it again!

Posted by: The GOP at February 28, 2017 06:52 PM (97XyN)

219 I've told you guys about my adventures with the original Tea Party here.

We wore name tags to a yuge rally, and some guy showed up and began sticking his camera in our faces, taking pictures, and making sure he got pics of our name tags.

I, along with everyone else, asked, "Who are you and what are you doing??"

And he disappeared into the crowd.

Not long after that, my husband and I were flying somewhere, and I was singled out for the full pat-down and hand swabbing. And it's been that way ever since.

Pretty sure our Tea Party members were on Barry's enemies list.

The f*cking bastard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:53 PM (PY9jH)

220 Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2017 06:50 PM (sdi6R)

Well, I don't think Congress was ever really a sacred place or the Lord's Temple. Aside from that, I always loved that speech!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 06:53 PM (fDdVG)

221 I'd give them their Russian special prosecutor after the anonymous former government officials come forward. Paging Jarrett and Rhodes to the courtesy phone!

Word is that if the Russians were involved it was to disrupt Hillary before she took office in her inevitable victory

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 06:53 PM (SIY7D)

222 I notice that now, rather than Podesta telling the Washington Post columnists what to write, he gets to do it himself. Cutting out the middleman, as it were.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 28, 2017 06:54 PM (LTHVh)

223 Yeah right. Most likely, said illegals are claiming EITC benefits fraudulently under that ID, and they're pulling money *out* of the public fisc rather than putting it in.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 06:51 PM (noWW6)

You have no idea how many folks here in Central Calif. who can't hardly speak English at all... somehow have credit cards from the State and use them to buy groceries...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 06:54 PM (NgKpN)

224 >>You will actually hear it argued by Democrats that illegals working
under a stolen tax ID number is *beneficial*, because "they're paying in
money that helps keep the system going".

And f'ing up the tax filing and credit rating of the person whose SS# they used is just collateral damage, a minor inconvenience, eh?

Why bother having laws if you decide to just wave them for millions of people?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 06:54 PM (NOIQH)

225 how about the media start asking Democrats and SEIU to condemn the climate of hate....I mean, some nut draws a swastika and the word Trump, and Trump hears about it at a press conference. Why doesn't it ever work the other way?

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at February 28, 2017 06:54 PM (UgF8H)

226 Cutting out the middleman, as it were.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 28, 2017 06:54 PM (LTHVh)

But ... "the key to being a good businessman is being a good middleman".

Layer Cake. Good movie.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 28, 2017 06:55 PM (zc3Db)

227 Black September created the PLO as their respectable front-face, for example.

Uh ... Black September didn't create the PLO ... and the PLO was never respectable. The PLO was always a flat-out terrorist org.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 28, 2017 06:46 PM (zc3Db)

The PLO pre-dates Black September by at least 6-7 years or more depending on how and when you define the PLO's inception. The PLO already existed and was trying to take over Jordan when in 1970 King Hussein put down that shit very violently and pointedly and essentially pushed the PLO out of Jordan into exile in Lebanon and elsewhere. The name "Black September" refers to that event and that is a radical offshoot of the PLO or a wholely owned subsidiary of the PLO depending upon where you stand.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:55 PM (SjImc)

228 I resigned myself a long time ago that illegal immigrants who have been here for X years or have anchor babies will be staying.

Posted by: josephistan

I resigned myself a long time ago that federal agencies and programs could only grow.

And yet, as Bob Dylan said, the times, they are a changin'.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 28, 2017 06:56 PM (W8bn5)

229 I don't mean to blame the victim, but maybe stop opening packages from unknown mailers?

Not the issue I know. But hello self preservation.

Posted by: eleven at February 28, 2017 06:56 PM (qUNWi)

230 "How bout you can stay if you have never used a false ID/SS number while getting a job. Sorry that's a felony, you gotta go."

You will actually hear it argued by Democrats that illegals working under a stolen tax ID number is *beneficial*, because "they're paying in money that helps keep the system going".

Yeah right. Most likely, said illegals are claiming EITC benefits fraudulently under that ID, and they're pulling money *out* of the public fisc rather than putting it in.

And fucking over the owner of said stolen ID.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 06:57 PM (kca06)

231 I have always wondered if some illegal had stolen a id and working for company which collected SS would person who's id was stolen make out in any way?

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 06:57 PM (HDU3V)

232 Barack and Michelle Obama have book deals.

The former president and first lady have signed with Penguin Random House, the publisher announced Tuesday. Financial terms were not disclosed, although the deals are likely in the tens of millions of dollars. Earlier reports had the bidding above $60 million.

Should be illegal

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:58 PM (SjImc)

233 Eagerly awaiting the arrests in the House tonight of illegals brought in by Dems, and the Dems themselves for aiding and abetting.

I can dream.

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 28, 2017 06:59 PM (M5NPS)

234 The Russians tossed Hillary into a van like a side of beef.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 28, 2017 06:59 PM (P/kVC)

235 I don't mean to blame the victim, but maybe stop opening packages from unknown mailers?

Hm?

Posted by: John Podesta at February 28, 2017 06:59 PM (sdi6R)

236 How do illegals get into the Capital if they ar checking IDs?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 06:59 PM (SjImc)

237 Nood.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 07:00 PM (ANIFC)

238 217---Kerosene Maxine makes Aunt Esther look hot.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 28, 2017 06:52 PM (DW+jj)
-------------------------------------
She looks like George Jefferson's sour-faced mama.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2017 07:00 PM (Nox3c)

239 Barack and Michelle Obama have book deals.

The former president and first lady have signed with Penguin Random
House, the publisher announced Tuesday. Financial terms were not
disclosed, although the deals are likely in the tens of millions of
dollars. Earlier reports had the bidding above $60 million.

F*ck those nasty grifters. I hope they both die alone and miserable in their old ages.

Living large off the American people, and now living large off the LIVs and true commie believers.

After reading what passed for an essay of Mooch's at Princeton, she should write an emo girls' cartoon book.

I wonder what Barry will pay Billy Ayers to write his book?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:02 PM (PY9jH)

240 I have always wondered if some illegal had stolen a id and working for company which collected SS would person who's id was stolen make out in any way?

Sure. They'll make out in prison just fine when the SS and IRS notice way more $$ being paid in than should be and the legit person get charged with fraud.
Then they'll get to spend untold time and money trying to straighten that shit out.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 07:02 PM (kca06)

241 How do illegals get into the Capital if they ar checking IDs?
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Stolen id's & state issued driver's licenses.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 07:03 PM (kca06)

242 Um. My doctor liked it that I brought in a month's worth of home BP readings. I gather this is unusual? What do our health professionals here think?

Oh, and she was happy with them. Which makes me happy.

Posted by: Empire1 at February 28, 2017 07:04 PM (pIvJ2)

243 The unions used to be the "muscle" for the Democrats in the North as the Klan was in the South. Now the Klan is mostly gone/joke and the unions are a money spigot for the Party. Muscle has been outsourced to various community organized groups with funding funneled through foundations for cover.

Tides Foundation is the original "tor" of foundations. I'd imagine there are others now. I wonder if perhaps Soros serves a similar purpose where he funds groups but that much of the money comes from others who don't want their names on it.

If we ever get a Justice Dept. that really "follows the money" of the left there will be lots of jail time to hand out.

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 28, 2017 07:04 PM (d3wbb)

244 Totally off topic but only because I'm leaving shortly for the evening.
26 years ago today I got off the CGs chopper and stood next to a burnt out Iraqi tank and felt the heat of burning oil wells.
Victory was never so sweet.
Didn't feel that good again until election night.
Keep winning hoard!

Posted by: Diogenes at February 28, 2017 07:05 PM (0tfLf)

245 Pretty sure our Tea Party members were on Barry's enemies list.

The f*cking bastard.

Jane ... why in the hell would you not grab the camera ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:05 PM (fiGNd)

246 239,
"The former president and first lady have signed with Penguin Random

House, the publisher announced Tuesday. Financial terms were not

disclosed, although the deals are likely in the tens of millions of

dollars. Earlier reports had the bidding above $60 million."

The publishing industry is another way money gets funneled to the left elite.

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 28, 2017 07:07 PM (d3wbb)

247 245 Pretty sure our Tea Party members were on Barry's enemies list.

The f*cking bastard

And Jane ... I really don't mean to pick on you ... but why in the holy hell would you go to something like that and put on a name tag ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:08 PM (fiGNd)

248
Sure. They'll make out in prison just fine when the SS and IRS notice way more $$ being paid in than should be and the legit person get charged with fraud. Then they'll get to spend untold time and money trying to straighten that shit out.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 07:02 PM (kca06)

Or the state garnishes your paycheck because the illegal that was using your tax id was recieving benefits and they want to be reimbursed.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 07:09 PM (lKyWE)

249 And Jane ... I really don't mean to pick on you ... but why in the holy hell would you go to something like that and put on a name tag ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:08 PM (fiGNd)

The name tag didn't matter. My sister was working with a Tea Party group and she, out of nowhere, got audited twice in 4 years. First (and second) time ever.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 28, 2017 07:11 PM (zc3Db)

250 Horde.

Stoopid auto correct.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 28, 2017 07:11 PM (0tfLf)

251 "PLO was formed several years before Black September"

Bobby Kennedy is still unavailable for comment, but your point still holds, Ace. Arafat was captured on audio instructing BS to execute our Amb. Cleo Noel and co., but Nixon was too busy with Watergate to deal properly.

I recommend Norman Doidge's 2002 essay, Evil's Advantage Over Conscience

"HOW IS IT that the Bush administration, which is deadly serious in opposing terrorists and those who harbor them, could let Colin Powell declare last week--on the same day that senior terrorist Yasser Arafat was caught funding the Al Aksa suicide bombers--that Arafat is no terrorist at all? On April 4, President Bush asked Israel to halt its attacks on Arafat's terrorist infrastructure. What must be going on in their minds? Are they serious or aren't they? Actually, they are serious about fighting terror. But they are also caught in a psychological bind that they do not understand.

Letting Arafat go is part of a pattern that has recurred so often it cannot simply be described as a mistake. It is the same pattern that caused George Bush senior to refrain from finishing off Saddam Hussein when he had overwhelmed him. This week, Europe, the Arab world, and the Bush administration are hoping to see a diplomatic initiative develop that will ensure that Israel makes the same mistake George Bush senior did in Iraq, forbidding it from destroying Arafat and his regime. No one survives as long as Yasser Arafat--forty years as a terrorist--unless he knows something important about the weak spots in Western psychology.

Israeli foreign minister Abba Eban once quipped that the Palestinians, under Arafat's leadership, "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." The remark hasn't aged well. Closer to the truth is that the West has, mysteriously, never missed an opportunity to revive Arafat. Arafat has been able to keep up his spirits because he understands how the Western psyche works in these near-death confrontations. This is because he, as a terrorist who lacks a conscience, can see things that those who have a conscience cannot. It is these insights that have preserved Yasser Arafat. It would be easy to attribute Arafat's endless second chances simply to a deluded left, since the left favors dealing with Arafat not as a criminal but as an equal. But now, the right and not the left holds power in Israel and the United States.

Besides, historically, those who have revived Arafat have not all been leftists or ideological enemies of Israel. Many of them have known that Arafat is a liar and a terrorist. Arafat's psychological magic is most evident when he casts his spell on such men. But first, to make the case. The list of distinguished fighters of terrorism and tyranny who nonetheless have found themselves overriding their principles to let Arafat go rather than bringing him to justice is remarkable. Ronald Reagan brooked no compromise with the "evil empire," and bombed Muammar Qaddafi's home, nearly killing him. Yet in the 1980s, President Reagan pressured Menachem Begin to let Arafat and his fighters go free when the Israeli army had them cornered in West Beirut. Begin, who had made a career of resisting liberal democracies when they offered Israel bad advice, succumbed.

Yitzhak Rabin, after fighting Arafat much of his adult life, decriminalized and rearmed him through Oslo, precisely when Arafat was at his weakest, fresh from endorsing the defeated Saddam Hussein. Ehud Barak had an extraordinary career fighting terrorists before Arafat proved his political undoing. The current President Bush came into office refusing to talk to Arafat or treat him like a normal head of state. Bush's position was reinforced when Palestinians celebrated in the streets on September 11; and he appeared to be viscerally revolted by Palestinian and Fatah suicide bombings in Israel this past December. But when such men are dealing with Arafat, there is eventually an about-face, and President Bush did his in March.".......

entire essay linked in nic below

btw, I agree with the President's assessment of increased Jewish Cemetery vandalism as false flag agit/prop by deranged Leftists.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 28, 2017 08:15 PM (Ndje9)

252 "CBD tells me the PLO was formed several years before Black September. Okay - so swap in the IRA and the "political wing" Sinn Fein."

Uh, no, Sinn Fein was founded in 1905. The Provisional IRA (with which Sinn Fein is associated) was created in 1969; the Official IRA (from which the Provos split) was founded in 1922.

Posted by: Seamus at March 01, 2017 10:19 AM (6tlmF)

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