So, If Dreamers Are Merely "Undocumented," May I Exercise My 2nd Amendment Rights As A Pre-Documented Concealed Carry?

The pro-amnesty contingent of the Democrat party (which seems to be all of them) and their fellow travelers on the hard left (am I repeating myself?) quite obviously think that the lack of documentation -- or as normal, law-abiding citizens call it, being a criminal -- is a technicality that can be happily, cheerfully, blissfully ignored by these wonderful youngsters who are merely pursuing their dreams to be astronauts or engineers or doctors or landscape technologists.

Okay...fine.

Is there any qualitative difference between those people exercising their human right to a fat U.S. welfare check and a flat-screen TV at the next riot, and me exercising my human right to self defense, as protected by the 2nd Amendment?

I thought not.

It is a simple and perfectly understandable technicality that the state of New Jersey has failed to recognize the prevailing attitude toward concealed carry, as evidenced by the trend in about 35 states. Regulation is being relaxed, laws are being stricken, constitutional carry is a hot topic in legislatures across the country. So my silly and meaningless lack of an obviously superfluous document should be discarded on the dust bin of history.

Right officer?

Posted by: CBD at 11:56 AM




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1 Um, yeah, but I don't think I'd try it.

Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2017 11:53 AM (x9c8r)

2 Yeah.... but "undocumented" immigrants don't kill people.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: InCali at January 24, 2017 11:53 AM (no7ao)

3 Yeah undocumented immigrants are only a huge drain on social services with no recompense to the system. They deserve to run around with no paperwork!

Posted by: Gaff at January 24, 2017 11:54 AM (jPS2y)

4 Riddle me this, Batman: If showing ID to vote creates a disparate impact according to race, Doesn't a background check for a firearms purchase create the same racist, unconstitutional disparate impact if it requires an ID?

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Gluten Free Souls at January 24, 2017 11:55 AM (a3sfz)

5 Also, the sky is purple.

Posted by: Gaff at January 24, 2017 11:55 AM (jPS2y)

6 Is there any qualitative difference between those people exercising
their human right to a fat U.S. welfare check and a flat-screen TV at
the next riot, and me exercising my human right to self defense, as
protected by the 2nd Amendment?
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Because they vote for Dems so violating the law is "good".

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2017 11:56 AM (X7E8f)

7 blissfully ignored by these wonderful youngsters who are merely pursuing their dreams to be astronauts or engineers or doctors or landscape technologists.

Okay...fine.


Be prepared for legacy media to trot out a parade of accomplished Dreamers. I heard one guy, now an attorney, describing his fear of Trump administration. (He said he's the only undocumented lawyer in NJ.)

I thought of him and his co-dreamers and wondered why they aren't ashamed of creating a Brain Drain from the country of origin. OK fine, you got your education in the U.S., courtesy of us. So now take your degree and your professional title, go home and make a difference.

Posted by: kallisto at January 24, 2017 11:56 AM (nNdYv)

8 There are so many things wrong with this story, but how can someone here illegally pass the bar? He can't practice if he's committing a felony, right? Aren't there ethics standards?

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 24, 2017 11:58 AM (QAOZh)

9 Also, I am not a shoplifter, I am an undocumented owner. Therefore, I should be able to keep the merchandise. I don't need a receipt to be a human being you Fascists!

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Gluten Free Souls at January 24, 2017 11:58 AM (a3sfz)

10 Gonna be honest, I'm okay with New Jersey being so backwards in terms of guns.

If you live in NJ and want to exercise that right? It might be a good time to try and find a way to leave the state.

It's really how things should be, and were, before the 14th amendment. What that document couldn't have simply been "Slavery is forbidden in the United States" is beyond me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:00 PM (b0iGi)

11 I dream of recoil.

I recoil from dreamers.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 24, 2017 12:00 PM (U6f54)

12 As my Ohio concealed carry permit is sufficient ID for the polls, clearly the solutin is to make it easier for Ohio's poor to get concealed carry permits.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at January 24, 2017 12:01 PM (SKE6G)

13 Especially annoying when the "undocumented" then go and hijack the "documents" of a US citizen - and then destroy their credit, etc.

Because by breaking the law to enter the US "without documentation" they set down a path of even more "documentation" issues like tax fraud/evasion, identity fraud, lying on contracts, etc.

Pesky documentation!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:01 PM (NOIQH)

14 Actually otherwise law abiding citizens in the state of New Jersey routinely have the book thrown at them if they run afoul of gun control laws while actual criminals who commit aggravated gun crimes

Posted by: Kreplach at January 24, 2017 12:01 PM (Gh/jd)

15 Some animals are more equal than others.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 24, 2017 12:01 PM (i0ykY)

16 I'm fine with granting citizenship if their enablers in the donkey party move to a hillside in Mexico and grow beans and corn for their daily bread.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at January 24, 2017 12:02 PM (1nHOh)

17 'I heard one guy, now an attorney, describing his fear of Trump administration. (He said he's the only undocumented lawyer in NJ.)"


I wonder if he is admitted to practice in the federal courts? That would be a hoot.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Wishes You a Happy Trump Day! at January 24, 2017 12:02 PM (hLRSq)

18 I'm an undocumented billionaire, so how's about I just walk into the nearest Bentley dealership and take my pick.

Swearsies I'll send a check just as soon as the documentation comes through.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at January 24, 2017 12:02 PM (PlgOo)

19 What that document couldn't have simply been "Slavery is forbidden in the United States" is beyond me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:00 PM (b0iGi)


They were trying to cut off semantic gamesmanship, which would have happened (and did - think poll taxes, etc.)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Wishes You a Happy Trump Day! at January 24, 2017 12:03 PM (hLRSq)

20 Democrats are just plain stupid.

Their arguments are like listening to a room of 7 year olds tell you about their day.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:04 PM (m9RuU)

21 In the book Children of Men, which we've been trending towards for some time, Westerners stop having children and import third world people to do all the work of taking care of them in their old age.

This is mentioned in passing in the book as being bad for the people stuck in those third world countries....and we can certainly see that in the real world.

Mexico continues to be a corrupt oligarchy because people can leave and come here to escape (of course they then vote, illegally, for the same sort of people here). If that escape value was not there I would expect that the Mexican government would be forced to be much, much less corrupt.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2017 12:04 PM (X7E8f)

22 Would these dreamer and illegal alien supporters allow someone to squat in their house or even on their property and be forced to provide food for them. After all, they are just trying to survive . Of course they wouldn't allow it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 24, 2017 12:04 PM (fTFPL)

23 Do you want to win an argument with a open border fan?

Ask them about the costs of an open border.

If he refuses to acknowledge any, he is dishonest.

Ask Huge Hewitt of the costs, he'll ignore your question and shine on like a million dollar shill.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 24, 2017 12:04 PM (DNPz2)

24 Love this. As JJ said yesterday "l'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace."

Posted by: most deplorable Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at January 24, 2017 12:05 PM (oYkdD)

25 All the homeless squatters in America are just Undocumented Home Owners.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:05 PM (m9RuU)

26 19
They were trying to cut off semantic gamesmanship, which would have happened (and did - think poll taxes, etc.)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Wishes You a Happy Trump Day! at January 24, 2017 12:03 PM (hLRSq)

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Well, I'm glad that we managed to avoid things like Jim Crow laws because the 14th amendment wasn't written too simply.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:05 PM (b0iGi)

27 landscape technologists
...........

Que? I am one landscape ENGINEER, gringo.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at January 24, 2017 12:05 PM (HgMAr)

28 As Mark Levin said; they're about NONE of them, "undocumented". They came with documents (visa, permit, etc), then overstayed, or otherwise violated the terms of their documents. But they have documents.

The left loves to say they're "undocumented", because it adds to a sense of how underprivileged they are. "...poor undocumented souls, the mean forces in the US govt & society won't give them documents...".

Posted by: Roscoe at January 24, 2017 12:06 PM (UqeeU)

29 I would expect that the Mexican government would be forced to be much, much less corrupt.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2017 12:04 PM (X7E8f)

Or much, much more brutal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2017 12:06 PM (rF0hx)

30 Maybe if I showed up at Obama's golf club as an "undocumented member" and demanded a tee time he'd wave me in? Seems fair.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:06 PM (NOIQH)

31 Ace is, of course, correct, but you can go broke and lose your freedom while advancing that particular cause.

Posted by: navybrat at January 24, 2017 12:07 PM (w7KSn)

32 Or maybe show up at a Bruce Springsteen concert without a ticket and demand back stage entry as an "undocumented VIP" Bruce would be totes cool with that?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:07 PM (NOIQH)

33 30 Maybe if I showed up at Obama's golf club as an "undocumented member" and demanded a tee time he'd wave me in? Seems fair.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:06 PM (NOIQH)

====================

Jump the wall at his D.C. home.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:07 PM (b0iGi)

34 open carry is legal here but sets you up as cop bait

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)

35 Barack Hussein Obama : Undocumented Exotic Pet Owner.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:07 PM (m9RuU)

36 'I heard one guy, now an attorney, describing his fear of Trump administration. (He said he's the only undocumented lawyer in NJ.)"

I heard that guy on the radio, too! If NPR were better with numbers they might have found out for us *how many* of those 750,000 DACA applicants have professional degrees.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at January 24, 2017 12:07 PM (i2uPg)

37 Do you want to win an argument with a open border fan?
Ask them about the costs of an open border.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 24, 2017 12:04 PM (DNPz2)

Hey what are the downsides of your plan?
...
You can't think of any? Are you stupid or dishonest?

Posted by: most deplorable Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at January 24, 2017 12:07 PM (oYkdD)

38 I was a Dreamer before it was cool.

It's only through policies like these that you can get more Dreamers like me into the country to further fundamentally transform it.

Miss me yet?

Posted by: President Emeritus Barack Obama at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (mt8X9)

39 Maybe some of the horde can go to the Oscars as "undocumented" nominees"? I'm sure Meryl Steep wouldn't mind giving up her seat for us...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (NOIQH)

40 I am Kate Upton's undocumented boyfriend. Will her security buy that?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (aVYsC)

41 What other constitutional right do I have to get a license to exercise?

A license to speak? A license to go to church? A license to vote?

And why can I legally own something that is legal but I'm only allowed to keep it at home? I can't have this legal property in my car and I can't carry this legal item on my person? Bullcrap.

Constitutional carry.

Posted by: Dang at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (8b+oT)

42 Lost in the juxtaposition of the logical disconnect, as so aptly illustrated by CBD's post.

Illegals are not able to legally buy, own or use any kind of firearm.

Why aren't the "activists", all up in arms pussy hats, over that obvious injustice?

No Drive-Bys, No Peace! *wait, confused look on face, whut!?*



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (v5iqM)

43 10
Gonna be honest, I'm okay with New Jersey being so backwards in terms of guns.



If you live in NJ and want to exercise that right? It might be a good time to try and find a way to leave the state.



It's really how things should be, and were, before the 14th
amendment. What that document couldn't have simply been "Slavery is
forbidden in the United States" is beyond me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:00 PM (b0iGi)

Seeing as though the 2A rights are protected from the government (that often-skipped clause - shall not be infringed), why should NJ, NY, MA, CA, IL infringe? Why should I, having permits from 3 states be infringed if I go through MA, NY or NJ on my way to Florida? Better yet, why do I need 3 permits (NH, ME, UT) so I can move about 37 states?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (jxbfJ)

44 Did I hear on the news that Jefe El Donaldo said 3-5 million illegal aliens voted in the election?
HAHAHA
Let's see some FACT CHECKING. I bet that 3-5 million was in California alone.

Posted by: wth at January 24, 2017 12:09 PM (HgMAr)

45 The most important thing in dealing with Illegal Immigration is to end the idea that Illegals somehow have a right to be here.

Even if we don't deport 25 million, taking strong action will stem the inflow. If Illegals don't get benefits, many will self-deport. If we enforce laws against employers, a lot more will self-deport.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:10 PM (SIY7D)

46 The 2nd is very clear. It doesn't require me to collect yellow paper either.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at January 24, 2017 12:10 PM (1nHOh)

47 There should be a law against profiling people exercising their rights by openly carrying guns.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:10 PM (Om16U)

48 That's a pretty brilliant analogy.

I also like the one where because one state allows gay marriage, all 50 have to both recognize it and offer it.

And "bearing arms" is actually in the Bill or Rights.

Posted by: Maritime at January 24, 2017 12:10 PM (lzxL6)

49 43 Seeing as though the 2A rights are protected from the government (that often-skipped clause - shall not be infringed), why should NJ, NY, MA, CA, IL infringe? Why should I, having permits from 3 states be infringed if I go through MA, NY or NJ on my way to Florida? Better yet, why do I need 3 permits (NH, ME, UT) so I can move about 37 states?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (jxbfJ)

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Because the constitution was written to limit the federal government's power, not the power of the states.

States had the sovereignty to decide how they wanted to organize their own societies, and the open borders between the states allowed people to freely move to a state that more closely fit their ideals.

Let Massachusetts strip their citizens of guns as long as they don't limit their ability to move away.

I'm also okay with other states trying socialized medicine as long as South Carolina is not forced to participate and I'm not forced to pay in any way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:11 PM (b0iGi)

50 Baby steps.

First the Federal law requiring CCW reciprocity among all 57 states.

Then Constitutional carry at state level.

Posted by: butch at January 24, 2017 12:11 PM (0APJ3)

51 I hate when y'all try to argue with liberals using logic. Try herding kittens instead.

Posted by: Roy at January 24, 2017 12:11 PM (VndSC)

52 Ace is screwing around with that whore again.

Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01 at January 24, 2017 12:11 PM (ukNFU)

53 30. "Obama's golf club". Lizzy, I'd warrant that Obama isn't, and never has been, a dues-paying member of any golf club.

Posted by: Roscoe at January 24, 2017 12:11 PM (UqeeU)

54 From what I've seen of the national reciprocity legislation, it really isn't going to help us a whole lot. Many states have restrictions on magazine capacity. Still have to know those laws. Some states (MA I believe) restrict what firearms you are allowed to own. In some states, local jurisdictions are allowed to put their own restrictions in place. NYC being one.

Those who carry will not be protected if this legislation passes.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (jxbfJ)

55 Must...not...rant

Nothing Nazi jerse...er new Germany...er new jersey does surprises me. That douchebag Florio made half of the state criminals with the stroke of a pen with his stupid gun laws. He should have been hunted down and had his throat slit over a gold bowl and then roasted over the corpses of the state legislature.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (aMlLZ)

56 *thinking sadly about the loss of our guns in a tragic boating accident*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (PY9jH)

57 Compassion does not stop at the U.S. border!

[Oddly enough, though, it does stop at my Crawford Ranch border ...]

Posted by: President Emeritus George W. Bush at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (mt8X9)

58 Stomped from last thread, b/c I am truly curious if anyone has knowledge of this:

Yes, Trudeau will probably pull something. He's just- IMO- a better looking version of Obama.

I saw a split screen image of Trudeau spliced w/Fidel Castro on some obscure website. It was eerie how much they lined up. The caption claimed Trudeau was Castro's son. I knew his old man was into some kinky stuff. Was he cucked by Castro, or is it just political commentary?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (ty7RM)

59 53
30. "Obama's golf club". Lizzy, I'd warrant that Obama isn't, and never has been, a dues-paying member of any golf club.

Posted by: Roscoe at January 24, 2017 12:11 PM (UqeeU)

why, it would be racist if he was required to

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (jxbfJ)

60 Missouri passed a law, effective this past Jan. 1: No permit required. Anyone who can lawfully possess a gun can lawful concealed carry.

The only exceptions, certain specific locations like within a certain distance of polls, government buildings, I think... and any of the previously banned locations, like schools/churches, IF and that's IF, the private property falls within those certain few categories, and opts to keep firearms off the premises.

If they do not opt for it, you are free to exercise your rights as a free citizen.

Funny, I know, but that's my state.

Which is why I don't live in hellholes like New York/New Jersey/Masshole/Californica.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (TOk1P)

61 >>Ace is screwing around with that whore again.


He can't Qwitter!

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (m9RuU)

62 So let's say we capture enough legislatures to start quickly passing constitutional amendments.

What should we pass?

Voting ID mandatory.

What else?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (4ErVI)

63 We're attending a wedding in New Jersey in April. So, we can't carry in our vehicle? I mean, if we *had* any guns left.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (PY9jH)

64 The right to abortion shall not be infringed.Right there in teh Bill of Rights.
Left Winger

Posted by: steevy at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (r/0kC)

65 >>The most important thing in dealing with Illegal Immigration is to end the idea that Illegals somehow have a right to be here.


Thomas Sowell wrote a great column about what is wrong with the whole conversation: it's all about how the criminals feel, their comfort, their concern.

Time for a paradigm shift. It's not about them, it's about our country's sovereignty, about our people institutions they abuse. It is not a victimless crime when we all pay for their entitlements, their kids' education, healthcare, incarceration, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (NOIQH)

66 20 Democrats are just plain stupid.

Their arguments are like listening to a room of 7 year olds tell you about their day.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:04 PM (m9RuU)

I really enjoy listening to my child's 7 year old peers tell me about their day when I visit for breakfast or lunch.

There are good reasons I don't ask them about self-defense, retirement planning, and nutrition, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (Halhc)

67 Depends on the courtroom you land in. Lawyers, if we generalize the community, are lefties, and most places you'd actually get picked up for undocumented carry are blue cities with appointed or elected democrat prosecutors and judges, who are sympathetic to liberal causes and not huge fans of conservative causes... so good luck with that.

Posted by: The Law at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (wx6iv)

68 What a nightmare it must be to live in NY/NJ and feel like a criminal all the time.

I'll be frank, the cruel and stupid gun/knife laws are why I'm never, ever visiting NYC ever again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (xJa6I)

69 60 Funny, I know, but that's my state.

Which is why I don't live in hellholes like New York/New Jersey/Masshole/Californica.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (TOk1P)

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And ideally, we wouldn't force anyone in those states to live by our rules either.

I just want people in one state to have virtually no say in how the people of another state in how they decide to live.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (b0iGi)

70 Mexico will be run by drug lords so long as there is no wall.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (VdICR)

71 Well, I'm glad that we managed to avoid things like Jim Crow laws because the 14th amendment wasn't written too simply.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:05 PM (b0iGi)


Yeah, pity it didn't work out. Why don't you drop some of that love on those who put Jim Crow in place and perpetuated that poison over decades, m'kay?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Wishes You a Happy Trump Day! at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (hLRSq)

72 Lizzy, you racist h8ter!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (PY9jH)

73 63
We're attending a wedding in New Jersey in April. So, we can't carry in our vehicle? I mean, if we *had* any guns left.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (PY9jH)

I wouldn't. Unless of course you want to stay at the Hotel J(ersey) with steel bars for window blinds.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (jxbfJ)

74 The most important thing in dealing with Illegal Immigration is to end the idea that Illegals somehow have a right to be here.

Even if we don't deport 25 million, taking strong action will stem the inflow. If Illegals don't get benefits, many will self-deport. If we enforce laws against employers, a lot more will self-deport.
Posted by: Ignoramus


I'll take easy over 'important.'

We should not be harboring immigrant thugs of any kind.

Any undocumented that commits a crime above a traffic infraction should be escorted to the nearest airport.

Ejecting criminals would be the simplest, bare minimum policy with obvious public support.

And it's actually the way it works in most countries outside the Western suicidal group.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (DNPz2)

75 We've become two nations as to gun rights, but there's a reason for it.

Our biggest political fault line is City v Country, with Suburbs jump ball. Attitudes about guns and the 2nd Amendment reflect this.

Stats about gun violence also reflect this. Red counties have gun homicide and gun shooting rates like Switzerland; blue counties have rates like Jamaica despite often having tough anti-gun laws.

If you live in a blue county like Brooklyn it's not crazy to say that bringing in more guns isn't a great idea.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 was enacted in response to black inner city riots.

Meanwhile more states have adopted right-to-carry laws. Nearly 40, IIRC.


Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (SIY7D)

76 62 So let's say we capture enough legislatures to start quickly passing constitutional amendments.

What should we pass?

Voting ID mandatory.

What else?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (4ErVI)

======================

"Quick" and "constitutional amendment" in the same sentence. LOL.

Seriously, though, voter ID is probably one of the things we could get through the amendment process. I'm less sure on things like a BBA or repealing the 17th amendment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (b0iGi)

77 >>"Obama's golf club". Lizzy, I'd warrant that Obama isn't, and never has been, a dues-paying member of any golf club.


He's in the process of joining a ritzy club in Maryland - last I read it has caused rancor among members because it has a lot of Jewish members who are not pleased with Obama's Israel snub.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (NOIQH)

78 Men's march against fascism.

http://tinyurl.com/hnwaze5

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (Nwg0u)

79 Send in the Trumpwaffen!

Posted by: wth at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (HgMAr)

80 Jane -

No. NJ, along with NY, MA, & CA, does not recognize any other state's CCW permit.

I've heard the cops target out of staters: run their tags, pull up the driver's license. Generally the CCW is noted on that record.

Posted by: butch at January 24, 2017 12:16 PM (0APJ3)

81 Another argument could be "If they don't have to obey immigration law, why do we have to obey tax law?"

Posted by: Iblis at January 24, 2017 12:16 PM (9221z)

82 Baby steps.

First the Federal law requiring CCW reciprocity among all 57 states.

Then Constitutional carry at state level.
Posted by: butch

_______



I'm thinking more and more that the only way American citizens will get the 2A rights in all 50 states is through the Supreme Court, just like gay marriage.

You'll never get places like Chicago or NYC to allow citizens the right to keep and bear arms.

I'd prefer if we had a system that didn't rely so much on unelected judges.

Posted by: Maritime at January 24, 2017 12:16 PM (lzxL6)

83 50 Baby steps.
Posted by: butch at January 24, 2017 12:11 PM (0APJ3)

Precisely why we need to preserve a woman's right to the sacrament of abortion, keep those damn babies from ever stepping!

Posted by: Chelsea Handler, Registered Independent and Ringleader of Moderate and Rational Women at January 24, 2017 12:16 PM (wx6iv)

84 BTW - The Comey thing?

Artful Trolling.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:16 PM (m9RuU)

85 71 Yeah, pity it didn't work out. Why don't you drop some of that love on those who put Jim Crow in place and perpetuated that poison over decades, m'kay?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Wishes You a Happy Trump Day! at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (hLRSq)

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Cause we're talking about the federal government. I'll happily shit on those who made blacks second class citizens at the state level too. Democrats, I believe they were called at the time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:17 PM (b0iGi)

86 Was he cucked by Castro, or is it just political commentary?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (ty7RM)

Mrs Trudeau was a Castro gal pal so it might be true.

Also she was known to sleep around, including with the Rolling Stones and Ted Kennedy. Her book in 2015 basically admits the Ted Kennedy fling.

She left Trudeau to "be free"

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:17 PM (Om16U)

87 Seeing as though the 2A rights are protected from the government (that often-skipped clause - shall not be infringed), why should NJ, NY, MA, CA, IL infringe?

I believe you're talking about the idea of "incorporation" ... the notion that the Federal must supercede the State in matters pertaining to, in particular, the Bill of Rights.

That notion did not exist ... in full ... until the 14th Ammendment. And the Federal superceding the States has worked so well since. Ain't it ?

We were better off the old way.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 24, 2017 12:17 PM (9uYWN)

88 Ask them about the costs of an open border.

***
This is an interesting one.

The costs are born by the government, and therefore the taxpayers. But since we basically borrow hundreds of billions per year, they are are really born by the young.

The benefits though go straight to to the upper middle class - cheaper landscaping, cheaper nannies, cheaper construction, etc and the Democrat party since illegals vote for them.

Not surprisingly most people favor getting "freebies".

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2017 12:18 PM (X7E8f)

89 So let's say we capture enough legislatures to start quickly passing constitutional amendments.

What should we pass?

Voting ID mandatory.

What else?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (4ErVI)

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Id be happy with the original 10.

But we now live live in a society where a large swath of the electorate believes Gay Marriage, Free Healthcare, Abortion, Unfettered Immigration, and Free WiFi are all rights enshrined in the Constitution.

But simultaneously hold the positions that the right to practice your religion, buy a gun, speak your mind, and States Rights are nowhere to be found in that document.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 24, 2017 12:18 PM (8XRCm)

90 You could probably get Voter ID in all 50 states by simply tying a state's highway funding to it.

Like they did with the drinking age and DUI laws.

It would simply need a simple majority and the Court's have upheld this strategy numerous times

Posted by: Maritime at January 24, 2017 12:18 PM (lzxL6)

91 62 So let's say we capture enough legislatures to start quickly passing constitutional amendments.

What should we pass?

Voting ID mandatory.

What else?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (4ErVI)

TERM LIMITS

3 for the house
1 for the senate


6 years is long enough to be a "public servant"

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:18 PM (8hICw)

92 "Quick" and "constitutional amendment" in the same sentence. LOL.

Seriously, though, voter ID is probably one of the things we could get through the amendment process. I'm less sure on things like a BBA or repealing the 17th amendment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:15 PM (b0iGi)

Yeah I did think of that. It's usually not a quick process.

It has been I think. Wasn't repeal of Prohibition a quick process?

Of course, alcohol.

Maybe pass the voter ID quick and everyone gets free booze for a year?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:18 PM (4ErVI)

93 So, TheJamesMadison, are you cool with states stripping you of your First Amendment rights? Fourth? Fifth?

A God given right should not be infringed by any level of government.

Posted by: butch at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (0APJ3)

94 89 Id be happy with the original 10.

But we now live live in a society where a large swath of the electorate believes Gay Marriage, Free Healthcare, Abortion, Unfettered Immigration, and Free WiFi are all rights enshrined in the Constitution.

But simultaneously hold the positions that the right to practice your religion, buy a gun, speak your mind, and States Rights are nowhere to be found in that document.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 24, 2017 12:18 PM (8XRCm)

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I'd love to see the 28th amendment. Full text:

"The 10th amendment. For super reals this time."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (b0iGi)

95
What should we pass?
Voting ID mandatory.
What else?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (4ErVI)


Our Constitutional right to submissive Russian babes

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (lKyWE)

96 @49

Except liberals have been busy constitutionalizing their agenda on things like abortion, gay marriage and other crap not actually in the constitution and forcing it down states throats.

So that genie is out of the bottle.

It's time for conservatives to start constitutionalizing our agenda which has the actual side benefit of actually having a constitutional basis.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (Gh/jd)

97 I wonder how many illegals, Dreamers or whatever else they call themselves...how many of them got into a college or university...and thus denied a spot to a citizen?

If any state bar allows an illegal alien to get a law degree I think the Attorney General of that state needs to decertify the state bar and sue whoever allows such BS.

Posted by: vivi at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (11H2y)

98 What else?

I think a 2A clarification: "Well regulated militia means me and you."
"Shall not be infringed menas shall not be infringed."

If you want full auto w/an M203 grenade launcher, pony up $$ son, you're in bidness...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (ty7RM)

99 So let's say we capture enough legislatures to start quickly passing constitutional amendments.

What should we pass?

Voting ID mandatory.

What else?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (4ErVI)



REPEAL THE 19TH!!!

Seriously ladies, would you give up your vote, if it meant clear majorities from here on out? (Which it would)

I mean, what are they gonna do, mish mash march? Beat us up?

Come on!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:20 PM (TOk1P)

100 90 You could probably get Voter ID in all 50 states by simply tying a state's highway funding to it.

Like they did with the drinking age and DUI laws.

It would simply need a simple majority and the Court's have upheld this strategy numerous times

Posted by: Maritime at January 24, 2017 12:18 PM (lzxL6)

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Can you think of a faster way to get liberals to hate the federal government tying federal monies to wanted behaviors at the state level?

I'm not sure if I can.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:20 PM (b0iGi)

101 When I was young and dumb and living in NYC after having just moved there from Louisiana, I thought it would be a good idea to saw off the barrel of my shotgun I had brought with me. Right before I eventually moved to Texas , I sold it to one of my friends.

I always think back to the prison time I could have received for those actions.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 24, 2017 12:20 PM (fTFPL)

102 things i'm still trying to understand....

madonna was wearing a black pussy hat

michael moore was mansplaining to womyn

ashley judd wears her prettiest underpants when she menstruates?

Posted by: phoenixgirl...spring training 33 days at January 24, 2017 12:20 PM (0O7c5)

103 There's a mind boggling article by Sean Davis in The Federalist about a writer for The Atlantic who insists ultrasounds are "tools of the patriarchy" used by man doctors to falsely prove the existence of imaginary fetal heartbeats and fetal response to stimuli.
So is said writer stupid as a matter of genetics, or evil by choice? And the left are the people of science. Sarc tag,
Do these magazines no longer have editors and publisher who actually care about not publicly humiliating themselves?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (nBr1j)

104 If you want full auto w/an M203 grenade launcher, pony up $$ son, you're in bidness...
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (ty7RM)

I'll start excavating for my own nuclear missile silo.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (8hICw)

105 Seriously, though, voter ID is probably one of the things we could get through the amendment process. I'm less sure on things like a BBA or repealing the 17th amendment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Voter ID will be challenged on the 14th Amd.

Hold the states accountable. Punish the shit out of the actual actors that fail to enforce election laws.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (DNPz2)

106 It's time for conservatives to start constitutionalizing our agenda which has the actual side benefit of actually having a constitutional basis.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (Gh/jd)

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Look.... if we're going to go full progressive...go full progressive.

We would not have to pass Constitutional Ammendments. We just need 5 Supremes to "make it so".

Posted by: fixerupper at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (8XRCm)

107 I'm okay with New Jersey being so backwards in terms of guns.


What the Left tells us though, is that the suppression of anyone's rights anywhere
is a threat to everyone's rights everywhere.

e.g. free BC and abortions

So y'all need to fight the power so that we oppressed Jerseyites can live in freedom.

Posted by: McCool at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (nCSwS)

108 93 So, TheJamesMadison, are you cool with states stripping you of your First Amendment rights? Fourth? Fifth?

A God given right should not be infringed by any level of government.
Posted by: butch at January 24, 2017 12:19 PM (0APJ3)

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Nope. I'd leave.

There will always be a state out there that's going to try and attract freedom loving people. It's the advantage of having a collection of sovereign states. Once the federal government decides to do it, though. We're fucked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (b0iGi)

109 Mexico continues to be a corrupt oligarchy because people can leave and come here to escape (of course they then vote, illegally, for the same sort of people here). If that escape value was not there I would expect that the Mexican government would be forced to be much, much less corrupt.



Exactly. If there are such an asset to our country, why didn't they stay home and help theirs?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (E9ede)

110 102 things i'm still trying to understand....

madonna was wearing a black pussy hat

michael moore was mansplaining to womyn

ashley judd wears her prettiest underpants when she menstruates?
Posted by: phoenixgirl...spring training 33 days at January 24, 2017 12:20 PM (0O7c5)

I would have thought Ashley Judd was past the menstruating stage of life.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 24, 2017 12:22 PM (nBr1j)

111 62
"So let's say we capture enough legislatures to start quickly passing constitutional amendments.

What should we pass?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (4ErVI)"Constructive amendments that reinforce the Constitution as intended, e.g.:"The power to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, shall not be construed to extend to commerce within the several States."

Posted by: OurFederalism at January 24, 2017 12:22 PM (48KEb)

112 So let's say we capture enough legislatures to start quickly passing constitutional amendments.
***
Allow the states collectively to override any federal law or judicial decision. In fact, make it require just a majority of state legislatures.

You'd immediately break the ability of the left to dominate the red states because it happened to get a president elected by illegals in CA...

Obamacare? Sorry 26 states votes no.

Gay marriage? Sorry 26 states votes no.

Etc.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2017 12:22 PM (X7E8f)

113 6 years is long enough to be a "public servant"

I totally agree, but I don't think it needs to be codified. The Founder's thought of public service as a break or sabbatical from their proper vocations. It needs to be ingrained in the thought process of DC. Either way, the K Street Cartel needs to be shut down.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:22 PM (ty7RM)

114 I once had an argument with a liberal coworker about illegals and their 'rights' to welfare benefits. I pointed out that there was a bum down the street, on the corner crapping in his pants.

I asked, "How much of your 401K does that guy deserve?"

"He doesn't deserve any of it. He isn't part of our company , and he didn't pay in!"

My response: "Same story as the illegal alien and my tax dollars, then."

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 24, 2017 12:22 PM (7ZVPa)

115 Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (aMlLZ)

You said you could rant with the best of them. Apparently that's true.

This place does have a line though. It is way way way out there, but it is there.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 24, 2017 12:23 PM (z79tQ)

116 105
Voter ID will be challenged on the 14th Amd.

Hold the states accountable. Punish the shit out of the actual actors that fail to enforce election laws.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 24, 2017 12:21 PM (DNPz2)

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If it's done through a constitutional amendment, I'm not sure if there'd be anyway to challenge it by throwing it up against the 14th.

I'm 100% unfamiliar with any case law that pits one part of the constitution against another, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:23 PM (b0iGi)

117 >>living in NYC after having just moved there from Louisiana, I thought it would be a good idea to saw off the barrel of my shotgun I had brought with me. Right before I eventually moved to Texas , I sold it to one of my friends.



I know a Cop who arrested two 'Dreamers' who had a sawed off shotgun. In Brooklynn.

They had stolen it from a home in Westchester and were using it to knock over a bodega.

Their Haul - Just under $185.

The Gun - A Purdey 12 Ga.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:23 PM (m9RuU)

118 I'm an undocumented taxpayer. It means I didn't keep any records. I'm sure the IRS will be understanding of my plight. I'm a hard-working family man, just looking to have a better life.

--so tempted to put this on FB, but I try to keep it not political.

Posted by: Harun at January 24, 2017 12:24 PM (UBBWX)

119 The biggest problem with the Trudeau-Castro theory is that Margaret officially met with Castro for the first time after Justin was born.

So there would have had to have been a very secret meeting somehow years before.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:24 PM (Om16U)

120 111 "Constructive amendments that reinforce the Constitution as intended, e.g.:"The power to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, shall not be construed to extend to commerce within the several States."

Posted by: OurFederalism at January 24, 2017 12:22 PM (48KEb)

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That's not bad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:24 PM (b0iGi)

121 I think the most important law to repeal is whichever one requiring the kids to stay here when their criminal family is deported.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at January 24, 2017 12:24 PM (Halhc)

122 The Gun - A Purdey 12 Ga.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:23 PM (m9RuU)

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Jeebus.

The sawed off what is arguably the best over under shotgun ever made??

Posted by: fixerupper at January 24, 2017 12:25 PM (8XRCm)

123 You could probably get Voter ID in all 50 states by simply tying a state's highway funding to it.



Like they did with the drinking age and DUI laws.



It would simply need a simple majority and the Court's have upheld this strategy numerous times





Posted by: Maritime
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I like that. It might work for a while but the assholes with a sanctuary city mentality would probably eff it up. Gotta keep those little blue specs on the election map blue!

Posted by: Dang at January 24, 2017 12:25 PM (8b+oT)

124 >>I'll start excavating for my own nuclear missile silo.


If you need to borrow the Grader, after I finish the Runway and pad for the Hangar for my A-10, just give a holler!

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:25 PM (m9RuU)

125 Guys,

I've been writing about this issue for a decade. I find it as entertaining to complain about the contradictions in liberal policy as anyone. But you can count every civilian CC permit NJ has issued in the last 3 decades on your hands and feet, and still keep a sock on. That isn't changing. If Federal Concealed Carry includes non-resident permits, then NJ folks can go get a Fl, AZ, or VA non-resident permit and use it to carry in NJ.

The real question will be afterward. Do the cops in NJ charge carriers and make the Federal Government sue to prove get them out of jail, or do they they drag it directly to court themselves looking to prevent it's implementation? Will they launch an assertive defense of their view or passive defense. That's the question.

More to the point, this is an issue we've been winning on at the national level. Continuing to beat Liberals over the head on it with commentary instead of legislation seems a wasted opportunity to me. All the changeable minds are changed.

Instead we should all be crafting our arguments around the issues we've lost but shouldn't have. In my view, we should be throwing our collective energy at the issue of immigration. First stopping the illegal traffic and rolling back the 1965 Immigration law. Then I think we should be having a serious discussion (as Vox is saying today) of rescinding suffrage for recent immigrants.

Don't like that idea? OK how about rescinding all social services for non-citizens with the exception of emergency medical care? Or eliminating birthright citizenship? Or imposing an IQ test at the border for immigration applicants? I'm open. Let's hear your thoughts.

But it seems a waste of a big, increasingly influential megaphone to simply be bashing NJ for being NJ, when we already have a solution on the table, and we're just waiting for a vote.

Tom

Posted by: Tom at January 24, 2017 12:25 PM (pimzH)

126 Obama sent $221 million to the Palestinians on Friday.On his way out the door.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/255378/

Posted by: steevy at January 24, 2017 12:26 PM (r/0kC)

127 REPEAL THE 19TH!!!
***
A simpler way to fix this would be to only allow people to vote if they paid net federal income taxes this year or ever served in active duty military.

It would stop the ability for people to essentially vote themselves money from their fellow citizens. I make an exception for military here because they've already put their asses on the line which covers them for life...though perhaps tighten it up so that their is a requirement for combat duty or some minimum time served.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2017 12:26 PM (X7E8f)

128 ashley judd wears her prettiest underpants when she menstruates?
Posted by: phoenixgirl...spring training 33 days at January 24, 2017 12:20 PM (0O7c5)

I would have thought Ashley Judd was past the menstruating stage of life.
Posted by: Northernlurker




#TwoWeeks!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:26 PM (E9ede)

129 >>Jeebus.

>The sawed off what is arguably the best over under shotgun ever made??



A shotgun worth 25-50k, all day every day.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:26 PM (m9RuU)

130 Funny, I know, but that's my state.

Which is why I don't live in hellholes like New York/New Jersey/Masshole/Californica.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:12 PM (TOk1P)

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And ideally, we wouldn't force anyone in those states to live by our rules either.

I just want people in one state to have virtually no say in how the people of another state in how they decide to live.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:14 PM (b0iGi)


If it must be said, part of the responsibility of being a gun owner/holder of a weapon is to know the relevant laws, and abide by them.

So... there are lots of gun rights advocates in Missouri who are still urging citizens to get training, become proficient in handling their weapons, knowing where they can and can't carry, and MOST importantly to understand that Missouri law does NOT cross state lines.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:26 PM (TOk1P)

131 Obama sent $221 million to the Palestinians on Friday.On his way out the door.

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Who??

Posted by: fixerupper at January 24, 2017 12:26 PM (8XRCm)

132 119 The biggest problem with the Trudeau-Castro theory is that Margaret officially met with Castro for the first time after Justin was born.

So there would have had to have been a very secret meeting somehow years before.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:24 PM (Om16U)

So is there a rumour Prime Minister Pretty Hair's biological father is Fidel Castro? I don't believe I've ever heard that. His arrogant idiocy can be fully explained as coming down from Pierre Trudeau.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 24, 2017 12:27 PM (nBr1j)

133 I go further...

I'm told abortion is a Right...

Well... 2nd Amendment is actually in the Constitution.

As both ARE Rights, a State should be able to:

1. Do a Background check before an abortion.
2. Have a waiting period before you get an abortion.
3. Outlaw certain types of abortions.
4. You can't get an abortion with any type of mental illness.
5. If under 18, you can't get an abortion.
6. In Calif. you will need a pre approved Card to buy a morning after pill (soon to be enforced ammo card).


All these are 'reasonable' restrictions on a Right... at least according to the anti gun folks, AND THE COURTS...

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 24, 2017 12:27 PM (qf6WZ)

134 This the LAW logic need not apply.

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2017 12:28 PM (HV1LS)

135 125 Then I think we should be having a serious discussion (as Vox is saying today) of rescinding suffrage for recent immigrants.

Tom
Posted by: Tom at January 24, 2017 12:25 PM (pimzH)

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I agree with this.

If nothing happened after Sandy Hook, and we now have Republican control of the federal government, the gun issue is dead. We've won.

There are battles left to fight here and there, but we have so much breathing room that we should probably refocus the energies that we spent on guns onto something else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:28 PM (b0iGi)

136 So there would have had to have been a very secret meeting somehow years before.

According to Heet Street article, Trudeau had "diplomatic" contact w/Castro in 1970, the year before Justin was born. Not sure if there was time or means for Margret to play slap'n'tickle w/Fidel.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:28 PM (ty7RM)

137 The Gun - A Purdey 12 Ga.





Posted by: garrett
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Idiots gonna idiot. Ruin a $20,000 - $80,000 gun to rob $185.

Posted by: Dang at January 24, 2017 12:29 PM (8b+oT)

138 @126

Unless it was wired directly from the FED or loaded onto pallets and air-shipped it can be stopped.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 24, 2017 12:29 PM (Gh/jd)

139 I like that. It might work for a while but the assholes with a sanctuary city mentality would probably eff it up. Gotta keep those little blue specs on the election map blue!

Posted by: Dang at January 24, 2017 12:25 PM (8b+oT)

There was a poll linked on Breitbart yesterday, conducted by UC Berkeley I believe, that said 74% of Californians want sanctuary cities outlawed.

That's in California.

The sanctuary cities aren't going to be able to do a goddamned thing if Trump shuts off the federal gravy spigot.

Chicago? How's that pension plan going? Cut off the funding there and suddenly their budget is 600 feet underwater. And that's not even taking into account how they're going to come up with funding for the gibsmedat crowds. You can try to raise taxes, but producers will just leave.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 24, 2017 12:29 PM (4ErVI)

140 I always think about the 'compare and contrast': reactions to Charlton Heston marching in support of voting rights compared to the same actor in support of 2nd amendment rights. Rights are inalienable.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 24, 2017 12:30 PM (MIKMs)

141 They had stolen it from a home in Westchester and were using it to knock over a bodega.

Their Haul - Just under $185.

The Gun - A Purdey 12 Ga.



Posted by: garrett
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They should have had the book thrown at them for what they did to the gun.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 24, 2017 12:30 PM (7ZVPa)

142 The qualitative difference is you have no one to back you

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at January 24, 2017 12:31 PM (qf+m5)

143
There was a poll linked on Breitbart yesterday, conducted by UC Berkeley I believe, that said 74% of Californians want sanctuary cities outlawed.

That's in California.


They why aren't they?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 24, 2017 12:31 PM (IqV8l)

144 But it seems a waste of a big, increasingly influential megaphone to simply be bashing NJ for being NJ, when we already have a solution on the table, and we're just waiting for a vote.

Tom



Embrace the power of "and", not "or".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:31 PM (E9ede)

145 Hey, I already threw a Zombie Lautenburg today. What do I win.

Posted by: DaveA at January 24, 2017 12:31 PM (8J/Te)

146 Fen's Law explains all.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 24, 2017 12:31 PM (LTHVh)

147 The Gun - A Purdey 12 Ga.



Posted by: garrett
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They should have had the book thrown at them for what they did to the gun.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada




Amen! Chopped a Purdy? That's a hanging offense.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:32 PM (E9ede)

148 So is there a rumour Prime Minister Pretty Hair's biological father is Fidel Castro? I don't believe I've ever heard that. His arrogant idiocy can be fully explained as coming down from Pierre Trudeau.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 24, 2017 12:27 PM (nBr1j)

Where HAVE you been?

It was everywhere when Castro died.

Side by side pics of Justin and Fidel are quite interesting, really.

Snopes & Buzzfeed both say it's not true.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:32 PM (Om16U)

149 So... there are lots of gun rights advocates in Missouri who are still urging citizens to get training, become proficient in handling their weapons, knowing where they can and can't carry, and MOST importantly to understand that Missouri law does NOT cross state lines.
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

I believe this law was instituted when the State highway Patrol, in a blatantly naked political move "accidentally" released the entire database of CC permit holders. If I start CC'ing, I'm getting the approved training, I'm just not going to voluntarily self identify to any government body.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:32 PM (ty7RM)

150 "but we have so much breathing room that we should probably refocus the energies that we spent on guns onto something else."

Yep. Federal 2nd Amendment advances are a distraction. Enough positive momentum still going on at the state level.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:32 PM (SIY7D)

151 All these are 'reasonable' restrictions on a Right... at least according to the anti gun folks, AND THE COURTS...

and the supposed reason that there are all those restrictions is that a gun is deadly and MIGHT result in someone's death.

and yet abortion always ends in a death . . .

Posted by: McCool at January 24, 2017 12:32 PM (nCSwS)

152 One of the problems with Sanctuary Cities is that they're supposed to turn over criminals to ICE for deportation but don't, and instead just release.

I've proposed that city officials be held accountable for this criminally, if the released criminal later commits a serious crime. It meets the requirements for a charge of obstruction of justice by being an accessory after the fact.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:32 PM (SIY7D)

153 So, If Dreamers Are Merely "Undocumented," May I Exercise My 2nd Amendment Rights As A Pre-Documented Concealed Carry?
===========================

ooh- good idea! So....When I drive 90 on the freeway I am merely on my way to becoming a speed limit driver. I am unspeeding.

Posted by: Hey Atlantic! Fire Julia Ioffe! at January 24, 2017 12:32 PM (X4ZNp)

154 They why aren't they?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 24, 2017 12:31 PM (IqV8l)

Because the pols don't listen to their subjects in California.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 24, 2017 12:33 PM (2x9LM)

155 Fen's Law explains all.
Posted by: Grump928(C)


It explains their mode. It doesn't explain the Left's religious contempt for Western civilization.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 24, 2017 12:33 PM (DNPz2)

156 >>>Which is why I don't live in hellholes like New York/New Jersey/Masshole/Californica.

Surprisingly, California is not a hell hole yet. Tech and natural resource wealth (and kicking the can) have managed to delay the inevitable so far.

Posted by: Max Power at January 24, 2017 12:34 PM (QCc6B)

157
Because the pols don't listen to their subjects in California.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA


Who votes for these pols?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 24, 2017 12:34 PM (IqV8l)

158 OT:

http://tinyurl.com/jlufkwe

Supposed Trump pick for SCOTUS, Neil Gorsuch wrote for National Review in 2005 heavily criticizing the use of the courtroom to push policy outcomes instead of through the compromise of a legislative body.

I'm suddenly pretty damn sure that he'd be a fine addition to the court.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:34 PM (b0iGi)

159 Snopes & Buzzfeed both say it's not true.

Huh...so, true?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2017 12:34 PM (ty7RM)

160 So is there a rumour Prime Minister Pretty Hair's biological father is Fidel Castro? I don't believe I've ever heard that.

http://bit.ly/2korKRC

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 24, 2017 12:35 PM (LTHVh)

161 You know what I just realized?

I'm an undocumented SAG member. Where is my Oscar ballot? How dare you deny me the right to vote on which pitchers are the best!

I am also an undocumented BBWAA member! So... where's my Baseball Hall of Fame ballot??

The crime that is Stan Hack, Minnie Minoso, Roger Maris and Sparky Lyle being denied their GOD GIVEN right to be in the Hall will be rectified.

Oh yes it will. Pete will have to wait. At least until after we've forgiven Joe Jackson.

And after Moe Berg is elected. Just because. And good grief, Cecil Travis!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:37 PM (TOk1P)

162 I heard that guy on the radio, too! If NPR were better with numbers they might have found out for us *how many* of those 750,000 DACA applicants have professional degrees.
_____________________________

Don't know if any of them have degrees, but apparently quite a few of them have trouble reading.

North Carolina audited their voter rolls a few years ago and found several hundred DACA recipients registered (illegally) to vote there. This was despite the fact that they had been specifically told that their amnesty docs did NOT make them U.S. citizens, and the NC voter registration form warns in big capital red letters that you may not fill out or submit the form if you are not a U.S. citizen.

Illegal aliens deliberately ignoring the law -- imagine that!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 24, 2017 12:37 PM (riF5p)

163 The Gun - A Purdey 12 Ga.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:23 PM (m9RuU)

Mandatory death sentence.

They are beautiful.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2017 12:38 PM (rF0hx)

164 158 OT:

http://tinyurl.com/jlufkwe

Supposed Trump pick for SCOTUS, Neil Gorsuch wrote for National Review in 2005 heavily criticizing the use of the courtroom to push policy outcomes instead of through the compromise of a legislative body.

I'm suddenly pretty damn sure that he'd be a fine addition to the court.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:34 PM (b0iGi)

I'm skeptically hopeful - while publishing something like that in NR is encouraging, I'd like to read Andy Schlafley's analysis as another point of information before signing off.

Because my sign off on it is totally what Trump is wanting and waiting for.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:39 PM (8hICw)

165 Which is why I don't live in hellholes like New York/New Jersey/Masshole/Californica.

Surprisingly, California is not a hell hole yet. Tech and natural resource wealth (and kicking the can) have managed to delay the inevitable so far.

Posted by: Max Power at January 24, 2017 12:34 PM (QCc6B)

My roommates who just moved back to northern Kallyfornia want me to come visit them this summer.

They say up there in many places it's like "Texas with mountains." So I may have to parachute behind enemy lines this summer to find out myself.

Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 24, 2017 12:40 PM (Jcg9Q)

166 If you want a government the looks the other way regarding 2A, come to our sanctuary state: Texas

Posted by: XPO172 at January 24, 2017 12:40 PM (1PDwB)

167 131 Hey, if wepaid for it, we xan blow it up.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 24, 2017 12:41 PM (5Qfo9)

168 >>Mandatory death sentence.

>They are beautiful.


My Gandpa had one.

My coke-head uncle stole and pawned it for $500.

My Dad beat him silly.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:41 PM (m9RuU)

169 Pretty Hair Trudeau's biological father could be Trump. An affair in a limo outside Studio 54?

Would set-up a great Star Wars parody:

Justin: [angrily] I'll never join you!
Trump: If only you knew the power of the Dark Side. Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Justin: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Trump: No, I am your father.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:41 PM (SIY7D)

170 Because my sign off on it is totally what Trump is wanting and waiting for.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric




Damn it! Where is that sign off from DoublySymmetric??
We are burning daylight!
Posted by: Donald Trump

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:42 PM (E9ede)

171 Maybe some of the horde can go to the Oscars as "undocumented" nominees"? I'm sure Meryl Steep wouldn't mind giving up her seat for us...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:08 PM (NOIQH)



It's time to start hitting these "enlightened" people just like this.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 24, 2017 12:42 PM (OE2ur)

172 164
Because my sign off on it is totally what Trump is wanting and waiting for.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:39 PM (8hICw)

====================

He's actually waiting for my call.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:42 PM (b0iGi)

173

This really is a bit creepy.

From the Federalist

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/24/trumps-national-day-patriotic-creepy/

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2017-01798.pdf

hmmmm

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 24, 2017 12:42 PM (nQgx9)

174 most of colorado is under a regime where Denver and Boulder pass gun laws that simply cannot be enforced in all the little valleys we got full of misanthropic mountain men.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at January 24, 2017 12:42 PM (j9Huq)

175 166 If you want a government the looks the other way regarding 2A, come to our sanctuary state: Texas
Posted by: XPO172 at January 24, 2017 12:40 PM (1PDwB)

========================

I'm gonna stay in SC and work to make it more like you instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:43 PM (b0iGi)

176 Damn it! Where is that sign off from DoublySymmetric??
We are burning daylight!
Posted by: Donald Trump
Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:42 PM (E9ede)

I'm trying to get work done at my place of paying employment. I told you to get me on your staff! ;-)

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:43 PM (8hICw)

177 The right to abortion shall not be infringed.Right there in teh Bill of Rights.
Left Winger

Posted by: steevy at January 24, 2017 12:13 PM (r/0kC)

Don't you mean the emanations of the penumbras of the bill of rights?

Posted by: Timon at January 24, 2017 12:43 PM (c/2jU)

178
They say up there in many places it's like "Texas with mountains." So I may have to parachute behind enemy lines this summer to find out myself.
Posted by: Country Boy


If you own any firearms, the chances of them being contraband are high.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 24, 2017 12:43 PM (DNPz2)

179 Posted by: Max Power at January 24, 2017 12:34 PM (QCc6B)

My roommates who just moved back to northern Kallyfornia want me to come visit them this summer.

They say up there in many places it's like "Texas with mountains." So I may have to parachute behind enemy lines this summer to find out myself.

Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 24, 2017 12:40 PM (Jcg9Q)


Meh, I've been to Californica. They can keep it. Yes, much of the land is pretty. However, it's fully of Californicans, Californicating all over the state.

And now they've emigrated east, and are Californicating up the entire state of Colorado.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (TOk1P)

180 forgot to put title of piece

from above links

Trump's 'National Day Of Patriotic Devotion' Is Creepy As Hell

First it was 'economic patriotism.' Now it's 'economic nationalism.' Stop telling us how to be patriotic.
JANUARY 24, 2017 By David Harsanyi

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (nQgx9)

181 >>I'm trying to get work done at my place of paying employment. I told you to get me on your staff! ;-)


Phrasing.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (m9RuU)

182 Because my sign off on it is totally what Trump is wanting and waiting for.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:39 PM (8hICw)

Trump: Steve, let me know what DoublySymetric's opinion is on this!

Bannon: Sir, I'm having trouble sifting through the busty lesbian porn, this guy Ben Rothelisberger-

Trump: Big Ben comments at the HQ?! Get his opinion on this!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (92kX2)

183 >>So is there a rumour Prime Minister Pretty Hair's biological father is Fidel Castro? I don't believe I've ever heard that.


Speaking of Trudeau, he secretly spent Christmas with a wealthy "Islamic spiritual leader":

https://redice.tv/news/
justin-trudeau-s-not-so-excellent-khanflict-of-interest-adventure

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)

184 Phrasing.
Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (m9RuU)

Thinking and typing faster than I can proof read.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (8hICw)

185 177
Don't you mean the emanations of the penumbras of the bill of rights?
Posted by: Timon at January 24, 2017 12:43 PM (c/2jU)

====================

"It's a living document."
-The Left

"Well, who determines what it says?"
-Me

"The Courts."
-The Left

"So...what do you think of Citizens United?"
-Me

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM (b0iGi)

186 I don't think you can communicate with the left using consistency and logic.

Posted by: Emmie at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM (xVuS6)

187 "It's a living document."
-The Left

"Well, who determines what it says?"
-Me

"The Courts."
-The Left

"So...what do you think of Citizens United?"
-Me
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM (b0iGi)

"SHUT UP!"
- The Left

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM (8hICw)

188 They say up there in many places it's like "Texas with mountains." So I may have to parachute behind enemy lines this summer to find out myself.
Posted by: Country Boy



Oh? Big Bend country? Ask them if you can carry concealed.

If not, then no, it's nothing like Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM (E9ede)

189 I don't get the attraction of Twitter, outside of the few with big followings, or witty sites like iowahawk. It's no place for anything close to rational discourse.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:46 PM (SIY7D)

190 187
"SHUT UP!"
- The Left
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM (8hICw)

=====================

"Fine, just as soon as you tell me your opinion of Heller."
-Me

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:46 PM (b0iGi)

191 >>Thinking and typing faster than I can proof read.


Well, if you meant 'Staph', Ace should be here before the crack of 1PM.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2017 12:46 PM (m9RuU)

192 Okay, on checking out some of these links on Justin Trudeau's parentage I suppose I may have heard the Fidel Castro rumours .
I try to deny any knowledge of Trudeau.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 24, 2017 12:47 PM (nBr1j)

193 Hirsanyi is right, Trump should stick to showing, not telling. if Trump does a good job, the praise will come naturally.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at January 24, 2017 12:47 PM (j9Huq)

194 189 I don't get the attraction of Twitter, outside of the few with big followings, or witty sites like iowahawk. It's no place for anything close to rational discourse.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:46 PM (SIY7D)

Not the point of it really. It really is the apotheosis of the 'hot take.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (92kX2)

195 JamesMadison,
That argument is dead post 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. Th decision of Barron v. Baltimore was nullified by these. No, states do not have plenary powers to do as they like to their own citizens or others within its boundaries--that has never been true. See Gibbons v. Ogden for example, New York can create a monopoly on steamboats for its citizens but cannot bar competition that uses a federal license to transverse its rivers.

The second part is ignoring the privileges and immunities clauses in the original document and the 14th. An existing privilege at the time of the framing was the possession of firearms for free citizens. in the states. Arguably any attempt to seize them on a trip would violate that citizen's privileges and immunities.

Third, the Commerce clause under current jurisprudence clearly gives the power to Congress to allow travelers to travel with their firearms regardless of what a particular state's laws have to say about the subject--See Firearm Owners Protection Act. Thus, they can mandate that a state accept another's permit if they wish because a state's regulation hinders interstate travel/commerce.
They also did that with the law permitted retired police officers to retain their firearms across state lines if they wish.

Look, the great object of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is the preservation of liberty--not states' rights. States' rights in the 10th is instrumental in that it is a means to protect against tyranny--not a license to do so to their own citizens and travelers. Similarly, the Bill of Rights and its provisions were designed to protect liberty generally both from the federal and state governments. Both can infringe on liberties, both can act as tyrants, and thus both must be restrained by an active citizenry and through the design of the Constitution itself. Your namesake, James Madison get it right in Federalist 45. Power should flow to that level of government that is addressing the public's needs.

"It is too early for politicians to presume on our forgetting that the public good, the real welfare of the great body of the people, is the supreme object to be pursued; and that no form of government whatever has any other value than as it may be fitted for the attainment of this object." Federalist 45

Posted by: whig at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (R15Tp)

196 When the IRS audits you, try telling them that your income is 'Undocumented'. See how that works out.*

*Note to Bob, at the NSA: This is a facetious suggestion. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (NBHj5)

197 Here's a thought:

RE: all of these people who "fear the Trump administration."

I'm guessing the majority of them have psychological issues.

As for the rest, maybe they are doing things that are obviously illegal and SHOULD be afraid.

/we have these things called Laws. They haven't been important for eight years. I hope they will return to prominence.

Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (J5mC3)

198 193 Hirsanyi is right, Trump should stick to showing, not telling. if Trump does a good job, the praise will come naturally.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at January 24, 2017 12:47 PM (j9Huq)

Boulder terlit hobo Johnson is right about Hirsanyi Johnson!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (92kX2)

199 They say up there in many places it's like "Texas with mountains." So I may have to parachute behind enemy lines this summer to find out myself.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 24, 2017 12:40 PM (Jcg9Q)

Joshua Tree is freakin' gorgeous.

Posted by: Max Power at January 24, 2017 12:49 PM (QCc6B)

200 This made me smile

(delete space before cab and after then)

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/01/24/ cab-driver-praises-john-elway-then -learns-hes-driving-him-video/

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:49 PM (Om16U)

201 Speaking of Trudeau, he secretly spent Christmas with a wealthy "Islamic spiritual leader":

https://redice.tv/news/
justin-trudeau-s-not-so-excellent-khanflict-of-interest-adventure

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)



He was their dancing boy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 24, 2017 12:49 PM (OE2ur)

202 A man whose drug-related prison sentence was commuted in November by President Barack Obama has been fatally shot at a federal halfway house in Michigan after two men with assault-style rifles sought him out, police said.

Two men wearing masks went into Bannum Place in Saginaw on Monday night with plans to kill 31-year-old Damarlon Thomas, a former Saginaw gang member. Lt. David Kaiser said Thomas was shot several times by one of the men as some of the roughly two dozen people at the home were held at gunpoint.

THANKS OBAMA

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 24, 2017 12:49 PM (MTy1B)

203 "Fine, just as soon as you tell me your opinion of Heller."
-Me
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:46 PM (b0iGi)

"DIDN'T YOU LISTEN? SHUT UP!!"
- The Left

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:49 PM (8hICw)

204 196 When the IRS audits you, try telling them that your income is 'Undocumented'. See how that works out.*

*Note to Bob, at the NSA: This is a facetious suggestion. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (NBHj5)

Hi Bob! How's the wife and kids?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2017 12:50 PM (92kX2)

205 First it was 'economic patriotism.' Now it's 'economic nationalism.' Stop telling us how to be patriotic.
JANUARY 24, 2017 By David Harsanyi



If you knew how to, we wouldn't have to tell you.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:50 PM (E9ede)

206
Meh, I've been to Californica. They can keep it. Yes, much of the land is pretty. However, it's fully of Californicans, Californicating all over the state.

And now they've emigrated east, and are Californicating up the entire state of Colorado.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:44 PM (TOk1P)

I hope to see my old roomies in northern CA, and also stop by an annual BBQ at a friend's place in Santa Monica.

Their friends and neighbors are all wacked out about Trump, so I want to show up in my "Trump 2016: Fuck Your Feelings" tshirt and watch the heads explode.

Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 24, 2017 12:50 PM (Jcg9Q)

207 Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM

Left: The LAW is settled.

Post Judiciary packed by Trump Left: The courts don't know anything and it all hooey!

Posted by: Lester at January 24, 2017 12:52 PM (8USec)

208 Th decision of Barron v. Baltimore was nullified by these.

Well ... shit. The Court has spoken. Guess it's time to pack it all up, boys.

*shit-cans Trump sign and Tea Party hat*

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 24, 2017 12:52 PM (9uYWN)

209 over at the NRO, they wonder why Trump hasn't canceled DACA, excerpt:

But U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services ( USCIS ), which handles the two-year, renewable amnesty program, could easily have been instructed to suspend processing of DACA applications - both for renewals and first-time applicants - until further notice. That hasn't happened, at least not yet. In response to an inquiry from me earlier today, USCIS spokesman Steve Blando e-mailed me the following: "We are still accepting/processing DACA requests under existing policy." He told Politico the same thing, verbatim. Politico also reported that "according to the most recent public statistics -- from the third quarter of last year -- an average of about 140 initial applications and 690 renewals were approved each calendar day." If that average holds up, it means that more than 800 illegal aliens received new or renewed work permits during the first business day of the Trump administration.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444157/trump-going-cancel-daca-or-not

yikes

Are they waiting for the violence to die down?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 24, 2017 12:52 PM (nQgx9)

210 I'll do you one better, CBD. You know that you have a right to a lawyer, right? (Anyone who's seen more than ten minutes of any crime drama knows the answer to that.) And if you desire a lawyer but can't afford one, you'll get one appointed for you at no charge; that's based on the understanding that if economics is a barrier to you exercising your right, it's the same as being denied that right.

So, go with me on this (those of you who know where I'm going with this can still follow along).

I have a right to bear arms, but I can't afford one. The budget in my household just doesn't go that far yet. I really like that Sig P229, but the wallet and the checkbook are both saying no. Does anyone have the contact information for whoever it is at the BATFE that I can contact for my free government weapon?

Posted by: Qoheleth at January 24, 2017 12:52 PM (iIzG7)

211 *Note to Bob, at the NSA: This is a facetious suggestion. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

Posted by: Mike Hammer



Or Bob, twist the knickers so tight, it cuts off blood flow.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (E9ede)

212 *Note to Bob, at the NSA: This is a facetious suggestion. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (NBHj5)

Hi Bob! How's the wife and kids?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2017 12:50 PM (92kX2)





Paolo: The wife she is good. The kids...well they're Bob's...financial burden that is.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (OE2ur)

213 They say up there in many places it's like "Texas with mountains." So I may have to parachute behind enemy lines this summer to find out myself.

Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 24, 2017 12:40 PM (Jcg9Q)

*looks up from book review*
*laughs evilly*

check on Thursday to see why that's funny

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (Om16U)

214 Hirsanyi is right, Trump should stick to showing, not telling. if Trump does a good job, the praise will come naturally.
--

In a perfect world, yes.

But will the media cover Trumps successes?

Will they spin anything a positive way?

A hypothetical example: Keystone Pipeline.

Will the headline be:

"Keystone Pipeline means Jobs and Energy Independence"

or

"Trump's Keystone Pipeline is an Environmental Disaster for the Nation"

Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (J5mC3)

215 207 Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM

Left: The LAW is settled.

Post Judiciary packed by Trump Left: The courts don't know anything and it all hooey!
Posted by: Lester at January 24, 2017 12:52 PM (8USec)

All of a sudden, Lincoln's stand against the Dred Scott decision will become fashionable to mention again.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (8hICw)

216 Meh.. California is just like any other state - there are parts of it that are pretty and then there is Oakland, Wilmington etc. The main difference about living in the nicer parts of Cali compared to living in the nicer parts in some other state is that in Cali, you would pay upwards of 700,000 dollars for a 1,500 sq feet home.

Posted by: IC at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (a0IVu)

217 If only the left would admit up front that their only moral principle is self interest, instead of pretending to apply objective moral principles.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 24, 2017 12:54 PM (PjWy4)

218 yikes

Are they waiting for the violence to die down?



Waiting for more addresses for ICE.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:54 PM (E9ede)

219 49 so long as they don't limit their ability to move away...

CA is threatening to attach my savings over nonexittent earnings they ESTIMATE I made over a year after I moved out of California...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 24, 2017 12:54 PM (5Qfo9)

220 I have a right to bear arms, but I can't afford one. The budget in my household just doesn't go that far yet. I really like that Sig P229, but the wallet and the checkbook are both saying no. Does anyone have the contact information for whoever it is at the BATFE that I can contact for my free government weapon?
Posted by: Qoheleth at January 24, 2017 12:52 PM (iIzG7)

Except, you'll get the firearm equivalent to a public defender - a .22 Saturday night special.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:55 PM (8hICw)

221 175
166 If you want a government the looks the other way regarding 2A, come to our sanctuary state: Texas

Posted by: XPO172 at January 24, 2017 12:40 PM (1PDwB)



========================



I'm gonna stay in SC and work to make it more like you instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:43 PM (b0iGi)

Please do. SC's requirement of a CCW permit holder to own land sucks.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:55 PM (jxbfJ)

222 I have a right to bear arms, but I can't afford one. The budget in my
household just doesn't go that far yet. I really like that Sig P229, but
the wallet and the checkbook are both saying no. Does anyone have the
contact information for whoever it is at the BATFE that I can contact
for my free government weapon?
--

You know those gun buyback programs?

Now there's no need to destroy the gun!

Win/Win!

Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 24, 2017 12:55 PM (J5mC3)

223
Oh? Big Bend country? Ask them if you can carry concealed. If not, then no, it's nothing like Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:45 PM (E9ede)


California places third behind Kentucky and Texas in gun sales.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 24, 2017 12:55 PM (lKyWE)

224 But will the media cover Trumps successes?

Will they spin anything a positive way?

A hypothetical example: Keystone Pipeline.

Will the headline be:

"Keystone Pipeline means Jobs and Energy Independence"

or

"Trump's Keystone Pipeline is an Environmental Disaster for the Nation"





Trump tweets: "We just put 4 million Americans back to work! MAGA!"

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:55 PM (E9ede)

225 NOOD

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 24, 2017 12:56 PM (8hICw)

226 "Keystone Pipeline means Jobs and Energy Independence"

or

"Trump's Keystone Pipeline is an Environmental Disaster for the Nation"
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (J5mC3)

They usually are more passive aggressive. It will be more like:

"Trump's plan for Keystone pipeline could well be an ecological disaster, experts say."

They suggest so they do not have to go on record for the 'news' and 'facts' they create.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2017 12:56 PM (92kX2)

227 I don't think you can communicate with the left using consistency and logic.
Posted by: Emmie
-------------

They are bereft of both qualities. Dishonest hypocrisy is their stock-in-trade. And, to them, that is just fine, because the ends justify the means, and they are bereft of any morality that would demand regard for truth and honesty.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 12:56 PM (NBHj5)

228 California places third behind Kentucky and Texas in gun sales.




Fuck sales. Can. You. Carry?
A safe full of guns at home won't help you at the gas pump at 11:00 at night.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:57 PM (E9ede)

229 195 JamesMadison,
That argument is dead post 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. Th decision of Barron v. Baltimore was nullified by these.

Posted by: whig at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM (R15Tp)

=======================

Trust me, I know it's dead.

But...if a constitutional convention happened...who knows?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 24, 2017 12:57 PM (b0iGi)

230 No. NJ, along with NY, MA, CA, does not recognize any other state's CCW permit.



I've heard the cops target out of staters: run their tags, pull up
the driver's license. Generally the CCW is noted on that record.

which is why, visiting my relatives in MA and NJ is a very rare occurrence.

would like them to allow locked carry, but fear just what they would require for the safe (heavier than my car, would be my guess)

Posted by: talgus da deplorable at January 24, 2017 12:58 PM (fJQAI)

231 Sorry for the OT, but is anyone else disturbed that Soros is throwing money at state district attorney races?

10 out of 12 of the candidates Soros backed won.

Posted by: Trumpasaurus Rex at January 24, 2017 12:58 PM (m3iiU)

232 "over at the NRO, they wonder why Trump hasn't canceled DACA"

Expect he's waiting on Sessions getting approved.

Sessions early backing of Trump over Illegal Immigration was a big early inflection point in Trump's campaign.

Can you think of anyone better to go at the problem than Sessions?

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:58 PM (SIY7D)

233 Meh.. California is just like any other state - there are parts of it that are pretty and then there is Oakland, Wilmington etc. The main difference about living in the nicer parts of Cali compared to living in the nicer parts in some other state is that in Cali, you would pay upwards of 700,000 dollars for a 1,500 sq feet home.

Posted by: IC at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (a0IVu)


I was in San Diego this past summer, visited Coronado Island, and there was a quaint little house for sale there... so I looked it up.

Oh, for heaven's sake! That's just silly. That much? For that house?

You people are insane, is all I can say.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 24, 2017 12:59 PM (TOk1P)

234 "Keystone Pipeline means Jobs and Energy Independence"

or

"Trump's Keystone Pipeline is an Environmental Disaster for the Nation"
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 24, 2017 12:53 PM (J5mC3)
----------------


"Trump Wins In Spite of Popular Opposition"

Instead of

"Popular Appeal Propels Trump To Win"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 12:59 PM (NBHj5)

235 Know what else is creepy?


"Valentine's Day"



*shudder*

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 24, 2017 01:00 PM (toH8T)

236 Please do. SC's requirement of a CCW permit holder to own land sucks.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:55 PM (jxbfJ)

Seems like a enterprising guy with a bit of cash in his pocket could make a killing by buying land and selling small plots at a premium. Does the land have to have a dwelling on it?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2017 01:00 PM (92kX2)

237 Trust me, I know it's dead.

The Law, like the Science, is never settled.

But I always examine the motives of the messenger.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 24, 2017 01:00 PM (9uYWN)

238 "over at the NRO, they wonder why Trump hasn't canceled DACA"

Expect he's waiting on Sessions getting approved.

Sessions early backing of Trump over Illegal Immigration was a big early inflection point in Trump's campaign.

Can you think of anyone better to go at the problem than Sessions?
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 24, 2017 12:58 PM (SIY7D)


good point

it was a very nondescript response, so something is up, probably that, thanks

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 24, 2017 01:00 PM (nQgx9)

239 Nikki Haley approved for UN ambassador, but Democrats won't let Sessions out of committee.

Posted by: joncelli, Tackling the Vital Issues at January 24, 2017 01:04 PM (RD7QR)

240 Sorry for the OT, but is anyone else disturbed that Soros is throwing money at state district attorney races?

10 out of 12 of the candidates Soros backed won.
Posted by: Trumpasaurus Rex
-----------

He destroyed our VERY successful Governor in NC.

'Very' is NOT hyperbole. He and the legislature worked miracles. BUT, the Dems created a faux wedge issue, the media hyped it full time, and now McCrory is out, and a Dem quisling is in.

Which reflects on Trump's problem. No matter how successful he may be, the Left/media are perfectly capable of destroying him anyhow.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 01:05 PM (NBHj5)

241 221
Please do. SC's requirement of a CCW permit holder to own land sucks.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2017 12:55 PM (jxbfJ)



The property owning requirement for SC CCW permits is for non-SC residents, BTW.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 24, 2017 01:06 PM (jV8Mq)

242
Fuck sales. Can. You. Carry? A safe full of guns at home won't help you at the gas pump at 11:00 at night.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2017 12:57 PM (E9ede)


Okay but that's just a matter of changing the law.I was just pointing out that there are millions of people in Ca that love threir guns every bit as much as the people in Texas, maybe even more since its harder to by them here.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 24, 2017 01:07 PM (lKyWE)

243 Seems like a enterprising guy with a bit of cash in his pocket could make a killing by buying land and selling small plots at a premium. Does the land have to have a dwelling on it?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Heh.
*recalls the Quaker Oats promotion that deeded property in Alaska, for $.25 and a box top*

I think they handed out 21 million deeds, for one square inch each.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 01:09 PM (NBHj5)

244 Great, now I have Supertramp on continuous loop in my brain and I'm composing parody lyrics.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 24, 2017 01:09 PM (FtrY1)

245 The property owning requirement for SC CCW permits is for non-SC residents, BTW.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik
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That's logical. Got no problem with it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 24, 2017 01:10 PM (NBHj5)

246 Just like the rest of the the left. If there were no double standards there would be no standards at all.

Posted by: USNtakim at January 24, 2017 01:12 PM (hMqvx)

247 I swear Your Honor she gave inarticulated consent!

Posted by: A. Rapist at January 24, 2017 01:33 PM (QtQaN)

248 You don't seem to understand this whole "right side of history" thing at all.

Posted by: jd at January 24, 2017 01:34 PM (IiR2y)

249 Laws are 'stricken', or 'being struck', but are not 'being stricken'.

You're welcome.

Miss Grundy
at the blackboard

Posted by: Miss Grundy at January 24, 2017 01:42 PM (6VG2o)

250 Brilliant! Well done sir.

Posted by: Abiss at January 24, 2017 01:47 PM (UsgHM)

251 Along the same lines, I was reminded yesterday that it is a Fair Housing violation to refuse to rent to someone who is an illegal alien. Yes, that's right, you can have a clause in the lease that the tenant may not engage in illegal activity, but you can't ask them if they are in the country legally or refuse to rent to them if they are but otherwise qualify.

Posted by: biancaneve at January 24, 2017 01:48 PM (CQny9)

252 Your premise is philosophically sound. If undocumented "citizenship" is valid, so are the "undocumented" rights of that citizenship.

btw, "undocumented" sounds innocuous, doesn't it? Like "Oops--I must have left my wallet on the kitchen counter. In Syria. Five years ago."

And if Sanctuary Cities for immigration laws are valid, so are Sanctuary States for traditional marriage and EPA exemptions.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at January 24, 2017 03:39 PM (Ndje9)

253 By this logic, then I am entitled to simply move unrestricted into some Progressive's second home and keep it as my abode. But they should pay for my rent and food and healthcare.

I have no documented title, see? You owe it to me. Because, like, rights-n-stuff.

Posted by: Flipper at January 24, 2017 05:44 PM (46ftr)

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