Obama's Petulance And Ignorance Of Geopolitics HAs Forced Israel To Be More Aggressive

Obama's ham-handed but partly successful attempt at isolating his least favorite country (filled with yucky Jooos!) may very well push Israel to be more proactive militarily and more belligerent diplomatically. It didn't take long for Obama to demonstrate his lack of geopolitical chops, but as Brett Stephens in The Wall Street Journal says, this may be the worst yet.

Here are Netanyahu's comments regarding Israel's response to the UN resolution.

I read in several newspapers this morning that they are complaining about my vigorous stand against the countries that voted against us at the UN. Israel is a country with national pride and we do not turn the other cheek. This is a responsible, measured and vigorous response, the natural response of a healthy people that is making it clear to the nations of the world that what was done at the UN is unacceptable to us.

And here is the Israeli Embassador to the United States, Ron Derner....Israeli envoy: Obama gave Palestinians ammunition for diplomatic war on Israel

"We can't just meet with visiting dignitaries as if nothing has happened, this a serious effort against Israel, it's an anti-Israel resolution," he charged, pointed to Hamas's praising of the resolution as proof. "Israel's enemies are celebrating this resolution, that tells you all you need to know."

Israel is willing to accept low-level terrorism as the price it pays for living in a nasty part of town. That is not to say that does not fight it forcefully, but there are additional, deeply unpopular steps it could take against the Palestinians, but chooses not to in the interest of political and diplomatic calm.

But throwing Israel to the wolves of the United Nations removes that pressure to conform to world opinion. If the World announces via its voices in Turtle Bay that Israel is not a legitimate state, then why should Israel play nice?

And passing a resolution that explicitly states that Israel's most holy site, and the core of its society for 3,000 years is actually not part of Israel is a powerful message that Israel does not have to play by the rules....

Posted by: CBD at 10:25 AM

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1 You keep kicking a dog every time it rolls over, eventually it will stop rolling over and instead go for your throat.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 10:23 AM (ywNoU)

2 I believe they have turned the other cheek 4 or 5 times. After a while, you have had enough.

Posted by: Bruce at December 31, 2016 10:24 AM (8ikIW)

3 Fox reports we have no carriers in the middle east. In fact, we have no aircraft carriers deployed anywhere right now (for only a short time), which has to be a recent record.

Does anyone know when America last had no carriers at sea?

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:26 AM (Ppvh7)

4 2 I believe they have turned the other cheek 4 or 5 times. After a while, you have had enough.
Posted by: Bruce at December 31, 2016 10:24 AM (8ikIW)

Eventually you do run out of cheeks.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 10:26 AM (ywNoU)

5 Petulance.

I'm not making any friends, am I?

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at December 31, 2016 10:26 AM (3MozY)

6 2017 will be a year of very interesting things, much like 1917

Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 10:26 AM (7qAYi)

7 Our Lord was jewish, so when he told us to turn the other cheek I'm pretty sure the "but don't be a schmuck about it" was implied.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:28 AM (MQZOg)

8
Demolish the global sewer that is the UN.

Defund. Defenestrate. Destroy.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at December 31, 2016 10:28 AM (BK3ZS)

9 If I was Israel I would:

1) Send the Dome of the Rock home...to Saudi Arabia.
2) Rebuild the Temple
3) Send the "Palestinians" in the West Bank to Syria - where they can join their ISIS friends and open the whole area to "settlement"
4) Let Gaza know that any terrorist acts will be met with level bombing

Posted by: 18-1 at December 31, 2016 10:28 AM (aZq03)

10 Obama's Petulence And Ignorance Of Geopolitics HAs Forced Israel To Be More Aggressive

petulance - nyeah, nyeah, nyeah.

His assholery (ok spell check just how do you spell assholery)?
will once again result in the exact opposite of most of his intentions after the damage it causes US.

Posted by: DaveA at December 31, 2016 10:28 AM (8J/Te)

11 Imagine the cesspool of terrorism and violence the middle east would be if Israel WASN'T there. I don't get the end game here, unless our government is muslham.

Posted by: Sponge at December 31, 2016 10:29 AM (GVYK1)

12 I hope the public sours on Obama finally.

"You had eight years to do that" should be the normal rebuke to all his coming whining.

I don't know...maybe he will take up a sport...like golf and finally leave us alone.

Posted by: Max Power at December 31, 2016 10:30 AM (QCc6B)

13 Fuckin muslimes.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at December 31, 2016 10:31 AM (D7XV7)

14 Fox reports we have no carriers in the middle east

Hmm, imagine that...

FORE!!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 31, 2016 10:31 AM (k8DTS)

15 Fox reports we have no carriers in the middle east. In fact, we have no aircraft carriers deployed anywhere right now (for only a short time), which has to be a recent record.

Does anyone know when America last had no carriers at sea?
Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:26 AM (Ppvh7)

Well not sure if that is correct or not? But for sure we have Carriers in and near Japan since we forward deploy one there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:31 AM (SjImc)

16 I'm not making any friends, am I?

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at December 31, 2016 10:26 AM (3MozY)

Heh....

Fixed.

Thanks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:31 AM (rF0hx)

17 3) Send the "Palestinians" in the West Bank to Syria - where they can join their ISIS friends and open the whole area to "settlement"

They should negotiate a deal with Merkel to send them all to Germany.

Merkel would jump at the chance. It's a bargain. She'd probably pay to do it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 10:32 AM (rH4JY)

18 For a raging anti-semite CBD is taking this Israel stuff kinda hard, no?

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2016 10:32 AM (g9txO)

19 Israel is a country with national pride and we do not turn the other cheek.
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This song is Netanyahu approved:

http://tinyurl.com/j4agnkb

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:33 AM (Ppvh7)

20 The Reagan is in Yokosuka Japan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:34 AM (SjImc)

21 Well not sure if that is correct or not? But for sure we have Carriers in and near Japan since we forward deploy one there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:31 AM (SjImc)
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http://tinyurl.com/gugdozz

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:35 AM (Ppvh7)

22 In three weeks there will be a new Sheriff in town. Sorta like a High Plains Drifter.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 31, 2016 10:35 AM (JO9+V)

23 What percentage of the Jewish vote did Obama receive?

Would it be fair to say JINO? Or is the cognitive dissonance so great that you can support people who want the destruction of Israel and still practice Judaism ?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 31, 2016 10:35 AM (IDPbH)

24 This is a responsible, measured and vigorous response, the natural response of a healthy people that is making it clear to the nations of the world that what was done at the UN is unacceptable to us.

A natural response of a healthy people is immoral! Evil!

I prefer a sickly, angst ridden, suicidal response of a decadent people.

Posted by: Angela Merkel at December 31, 2016 10:36 AM (rH4JY)

25 Re: 15
They are ALL in port.
Either for refueling/refit, change out, rotations, whatever.
Norfolk, Bremerton, San Diego, Yokozuna but none are currently deployed or out to sea.

Posted by: Itchytriggerfinger at December 31, 2016 10:36 AM (7csuM)

26 "Well not sure if that is correct or not? But for sure we have Carriers in and near Japan since we forward deploy one there"

Forward Deployed Naval Forces (FDNF) home-ported in Japan are typically not considered as "deployed" if tied up in their Japanese home port.

I'm guessing that the Christmas Standout period has most of the FDNF ships tied up in their various home ports.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (J+eG2)

27 Well not sure if that is correct or not? But for sure we have Carriers in and near Japan since we forward deploy one there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:31 AM (SjImc)
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http://tinyurl.com/gugdozz
Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:35 AM (Ppvh7)

Yes but the Reagan is forward deployed in Japan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (SjImc)

28 Either for refueling/refit, change out, rotations, whatever.
Norfolk, Bremerton, San Diego, Yokozuna but none are currently deployed or out to sea.
Posted by: Itchytriggerfinger at December 31, 2016 10:36 AM (7csuM)

The Reagan is fully combat ready and could deploy out of port in 24 hours or less if need be.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:38 AM (SjImc)

29 7 Our Lord was jewish, so when he told us to turn the other cheek I'm pretty sure the "but don't be a schmuck about it" was implied.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:28 AM (MQZOg)

The historical and cultural context of that statement shows it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with national security and foreign policy.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 10:38 AM (ywNoU)

30 Are you an Israeli or an American?

Whoever said duel loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian.
Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (NayzG)

What does that mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:39 AM (SjImc)

31 I thought the USS Gabrielle Giffords was deployed hunting rogue NRA members.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:39 AM (MQZOg)

32 Yes but the Reagan is forward deployed in Japan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (SjImc)
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All our carriers are in port. The Reagan is in port. No American carriers are at sea.

Does anyone know when we last had no carriers available? I couldn't tell from a quick internet search.

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:39 AM (Ppvh7)

33 Standout=Stand-down

F'n auto-cucumber.
It mocks me!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:40 AM (J+eG2)

34 "I tell you that there is no diplomatic wisdom in being ingratiating. Not only will our relations with the nations of the world not be harmed, over time they will only improve because the nations of the world respect strong countries that stand up for themselves and do not respect weak ingratiating countries that bow their heads."

This absolutely is a slap in the face to Obama. And after eight years of biting his tongue, Bibi must have enjoyed saying it immensely.

Posted by: jbspry at December 31, 2016 10:40 AM (IhKmM)

35 28:"Are you an Israeli or an American?

Whoever said duel loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian."

You must be one of those types who have no friends.

I know that I would never stab my friend in the back, and whenever he gets in a fight, I'm going in swinging too.

It's what friends do. But then, I'm guessing you've never experienced that.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at December 31, 2016 10:40 AM (yv7u6)

36 All our carriers are in port. The Reagan is in port. No American carriers are at sea.

Does anyone know when we last had no carriers available? I couldn't tell from a quick internet search.
Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:39 AM (Ppvh7)

In port yes, but forward deployed and fully able to get to sea in hours if need be.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:41 AM (SjImc)

37 28 Are you an Israeli or an American?

Whoever said duel loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian.
Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (NayzG)

Hold on a sec, let me get some popcorn

Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 10:41 AM (7qAYi)

38 "I believe they have turned the other cheek 4 or 5 times. After a while, you have had enough."

What Obama expects Israel to do is SPREAD the other cheek...

Posted by: jbspry at December 31, 2016 10:41 AM (IhKmM)

39 All our carriers are in port. The Reagan is in port. No American carriers are at sea.

Does anyone know when we last had no carriers available? I couldn't tell from a quick internet search.

Posted by: MTF

The JEF said that as soon as they can fill up the Reagan with gas, she'll be heading out.

Posted by: Bruce at December 31, 2016 10:41 AM (8ikIW)

40
32 I thought the USS Gabrielle Giffords was deployed hunting rogue NRA members.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:39 AM (MQZOg)

That's like sending a deaf mute out to play "Marco Polo".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at December 31, 2016 10:41 AM (BK3ZS)

41 "Does anyone know when we last had no carriers available? I couldn't tell from a quick internet search."

07 for US Carriers in the Middle East.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:42 AM (J+eG2)

42 2 I believe they have turned the other cheek 4 or 5 times. After a while, you have had enough.
Posted by: Bruce at December 31, 2016 10:24 AM (8ikIW)
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After a while, you run out of cheeks.

Posted by: Weasel at December 31, 2016 10:42 AM (Sfs6o)

43 I thought the USS Gabrielle Giffords was deployed hunting rogue NRA members.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:39 AM (MQZOg)

Mabus can't get lost fast enough for most of us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:42 AM (SjImc)

44 IMO, an Evangelical Christian wouldn't or shouldn't say "America first". They'd say or should say "Christ first", It doesn't mean that we can't love and support our country. Indeed we should- and Scriptures says that we are to be good citizens-but sometimes our faith will conflict with what our country says is good.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 10:42 AM (tOcW/)

45 28 Are you an Israeli or an American?

Whoever said duel loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian.
Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (NayzG)

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I'm not evangelical, but I fit that mold. But I do recognize that Israel is the home of Judaism and Christianity.

The home of islam is in a long-buried shithouse somewhere in the desert.

Posted by: Soona at December 31, 2016 10:43 AM (Fmupd)

46 Alan Dershowitz is saying he will resign from the Demoncrats if they elect Keith Ellison as head of the DNC. Why wait? Even considering him seriously ought to be enough to convince you the party is officially anti-Semitic.

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:43 AM (Ppvh7)

47 28 Are you an Israeli or an American?

Whoever said duel loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian.
Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (NayzG)

Everyone gets four.

Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 10:43 AM (7qAYi)

48 Whoever said dual loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian.

I remember you. What was your name during the last trolling?

Posted by: t-bird at December 31, 2016 10:43 AM (kCDOM)

49 Hey Bigby, if you came up here and want to go back to previous thread for a minute let me know.
The subject and kids, especially a moron's kid, near and dear to my heart.

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 10:43 AM (gJ3Vg)

50
What's "duel" loyalty?

Posted by: zombie Aaron Burr at December 31, 2016 10:43 AM (wpC7C)

51 @23: I like to refer to liberal Joos as "ethnically Jewish". It represents their connection with Judaism quite well; they flout it as something that makes them special but they wouldn't dare darken a synagogue. Their religion is Marxism, straight up.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 31, 2016 10:43 AM (5dOnv)

52 Most Evangelicals Christians whom I know are strong supporters of the state of Israel.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 10:44 AM (tOcW/)

53 26
"Well not sure if that is correct or not? But for sure we have Carriers in and near Japan since we forward deploy one there"

Forward Deployed Naval Forces (FDNF) home-ported in Japan are
typically not considered as "deployed" if tied up in their Japanese home
port.

I'm guessing that the Christmas Standout period has most of the FDNF ships tied up in their various home ports.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (J+eG2)

I believe there is a single Marine Expeditionary Unit/Amphibious Ready Group actually at sea right now. Depending on how long it takes to actually prepare a carrier for immediate deployment, Reagan could be steaming by Tuesday.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at December 31, 2016 10:44 AM (7N6ox)

54 I hold a loyalty to my country for those things occurring on their plane.

I hold a loyalty to my God for those things higher than our President's pay-grade.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:44 AM (J+eG2)

55 *to Pali type sneaking up from behind* You're gonna look pretty silly with that scimitar sticking out of your ass.

Posted by: The Weasel-topped Stranger at December 31, 2016 10:45 AM (JO9+V)

56 When yu gut the Military Budget and put the focus on left wing social wet dreams instead of war fighting, no Carriers at sea and mid life refurbishing way behind schedule is what happens.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:45 AM (SjImc)

57 Mabus can't get lost fast enough for most of us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:42 AM (SjImc)

Hear, hear. I personally detest that man.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at December 31, 2016 10:46 AM (7N6ox)

58 What sort of relationship does Russia have with Israel? I mean today's Russia, not the USSR. There are lots of Israelis of Russian descent.

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2016 10:46 AM (sdi6R)

59 I'm betting the US Navy has had carriers at sea continuously for decades, and not having one now is a record. I can't find the information to prove it, though.

As far as the ME goes, yesterday a poster here mentioned we have usually had a carrier in the Med and one in the Gulf in past years.

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (Ppvh7)

60 Its a Leftist world, its a shame we elected another one. And have no doubt Hillary would have joined in.

Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (5sOEp)

61 @23

In 2008 the SCOAMF recieved 80 pct, in 2012 he recieved 70pct.

Other than Harding, no GOP Presidential candidate has ever received a majority of Jewish support going back to 1916.

Regan received the most at 39 pct.

Much like every other racial/identity group, American Jews are simply leftist in their political leanings.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (+lv+r)

62 Oy.

Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (7qAYi)

63 That meme isn't so accurate. The blue square representing 8 should be but a sliver compared to 223.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (EZebt)

64 28 Are you an Israeli or an American?

Whoever said duel loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian.
Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (NayzG)

Go get bent.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (ywNoU)

65 Ah yes the trolls are slowly drifting back. This one is Hector Class Troll.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (SjImc)

66 Israel is a country with national pride and we do not turn the other cheek.

I realize he was probably using this idiomatically, not biblically, but just to be pedantic, I think that the biblical quote from Matthew is inapplicable to this context. That occurs only in reference to forgiving someone who has personally wronged you. It doesn't translate to a level where a government is tasked with insuring the wellbeing of its citizens.

And ethics can get complicated. Christ says love your enemy, but he (and the Pentateuch) also says love your neighbor. What if your enemy is evil, and is threatening your countrymen (your neighbor)? My guess is that your first duty is to protect your neighbor, and that this doesn't violate "love your enemy".

Posted by: Angela Merkel at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (rH4JY)

67 Dis gonna be good.

/puts on 3D troll glasses

Posted by: Max Power at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (QCc6B)

68 "That's like sending a deaf mute out to play "Marco Polo"."

Thanks for my first roar of the day, Krebs/Carnot. And Bravo Bibi - was he by any chance *born* in the US? I know he went to high school/college in the Philadelphia area...

But yeah, Barry - petulant little POS. I'm hoping that the press will be so busy trying to dig up dirt on Trump, or second-guessing his every move, that they will end up IGNORING BARRY COMPLETELY.

Posted by: Annalucia at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (a5bF3)

69 Off stasi sock.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (rH4JY)

70 Sounds like a Stormfronter.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (tOcW/)

71 Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:45 AM (NayzG)

Bye Bye....

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Wargame Designer at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (d76uN)

72 64 Oy.
Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 10:47 AM (7qAYi)

Threadwinner!

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (sdi6R)

73 Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:45 AM (NayzG)
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And Keith Ellison makes an appearance!

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (Ppvh7)

74 From articals I've read Barak has handed the keys to East Jerusalem to the Muzzies.

Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (5sOEp)

75 Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:45 AM (NayzG)

Fuck off back to StormFront.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 10:49 AM (ywNoU)

76 72 Sounds like a Stormfronter.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 10:48 AM (tOcW/)

His hash was almost "Nazi" too. Or "Nazgul"

Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 10:49 AM (7qAYi)

77 Israel is willing to accept low-level terrorism as the price it pays for living in a nasty part of town. That is not to say that does not fight it forcefully, but there are additional, deeply unpopular steps it could take against the Palestinians, but chooses not to in the interest of political and diplomatic calm.
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Political, diplomatic, and military calm which it has never enjoyed.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2016 10:50 AM (EZebt)

78 What sort of relationship does Russia have with Israel? I mean today's Russia, not the USSR. There are lots of Israelis of Russian descent.
Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2016 10:46 AM (sdi6R)

Russia only votes against Israeli interests in the UN. Israel endeavors to maintain open line of communications with Russia and the Russian Military in the Middle East in particular to prevent any unfortunate mistaken or semi-mistaken confrontations. The "Russians" in Israel are mostly to the right of center and have NO lover for Mother Russia, at least not for it's politics

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:50 AM (SjImc)

79 @23

Correction, I should have said Eisenwhower received the most for any modern GOP candidate at 40 pct.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 31, 2016 10:50 AM (+lv+r)

80 Posted by: AmericaFirst

You're being too obvious, you hack! This will affect your quarterly bonus.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:51 AM (MQZOg)

81 "I believe there is a single Marine Expeditionary Unit/Amphibious Ready Group actually at sea right now. Depending on how long it takes to actually prepare a carrier for immediate deployment, Reagan could be steaming by Tuesday. "

Reagan could probably light off, (Go critical, and boil water) fairly quickly.

Assuming that traditional Stand-Down protocol is followed, as much as 30% of her crew could be on New Years leave as we speak.

And her Carrier Air Wings would be at the same level of manning s well.

They would be recovering aircraft, and Cod'ing returning crew members out to her for days as they go from minimum manning to full underway manning.

It's doable.
But it's not exactly accurate for people tom assume that she simply shits and gets from the moment she gets orders to get underway.

(I spent 10 years Forward Deployed FDNF, three out of Sasebo Japan)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:51 AM (J+eG2)

82 78 What sort of relationship does Russia have with Israel? I mean today's Russia, not the USSR. There are lots of Israelis of Russian descent.
Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2016 10:46 AM (sdi6R)

Russia only votes against Israeli interests in the UN. Israel endeavors to maintain open line of communications with Russia and the Russian Military in the Middle East in particular to prevent any unfortunate mistaken or semi-mistaken confrontations. The "Russians" in Israel are mostly to the right of center and have NO lover for Mother Russia, at least not for it's politics
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:50 AM (SjImc)

Russia is the biggest supplier to Iran, who have been at war with Israel for 40 years.

Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 10:51 AM (7qAYi)

83 Nothing left but a banhammer sized hole in the Horde comments.

Posted by: DaveA at December 31, 2016 10:52 AM (8J/Te)

84 Posted by: AmericaFirst

Hey, nice sheets. Muslim? You all look the same to me.

Posted by: t-bird at December 31, 2016 10:52 AM (/wWB4)

85 Sorry folks....but I just banned your toy.

No batting it about.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:52 AM (rF0hx)

86 Tim in IL, thank you (I'm assuming that was you who did it). We don't need that crap here again, ever.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 10:53 AM (sBOL1)

87 Ah CBD, that was you then. Thank you. I know some cats like to play with mice, but I just can't stomach it.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 10:53 AM (sBOL1)

88 >>> The United States abstains: What a fitting finish to this ruinous presidency.
.....

Remember in 2008 when people tried to warn 52% of the country that a guy who spent his state senate career voting "present" was a bad idea?

Posted by: Damiano at December 31, 2016 10:54 AM (71OEY)

89 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:51 AM (J+eG2)

Of course it depends on what State of Alert it is in at Port. With tensions with China running high, your'd except a vigilant President and vigilant DOD to hight the Reagan on a higher State of Alert...but yeah knowing who is in Office and the sycophants in the Pentagon, probably not so much. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:54 AM (SjImc)

90 It may be just me, but I imagine the USS Ronald Reagan to armed with nuclear-tipped ICBMs and packs of velociraptors genetically engineered to have rabies.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:54 AM (MQZOg)

91 Political, diplomatic, and military calm which it has never enjoyed.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2016 10:50 AM (EZebt)

Yes. You are correct. I should have written "relative calm."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:55 AM (rF0hx)

92 I have no doubt Russia is more than happy of at least a temporary break up of the US and Israel. Many pundits have said there is permanent damage with this resolution in world courts.

Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2016 10:55 AM (5sOEp)

93 Thanks again teej saw your post last thread

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at December 31, 2016 10:55 AM (8ReTf)

94 Why the outrage at the comment that evangelical Christians have dual loyalty? It is true. I am an evangelical Christian and so are many in my family. It has always been God first, then country and I wouldn't have it any other way. Half of this country is a bunch of idiots who have the reasoning skills of a two year old (apologies to two year olds). NO FIGGING WAY will I EVER say COUNTRY FIRST when it can be run by Barack Obama and his ilk. NO FIGGING WAY. I fully support the constitution against ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. Smart patriotism not blind.

Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 10:56 AM (pwONV)

95 My very liberal Jewish friend who lives on the UES in NYC actually posted "I love John Kerry" the day that idiot gave his "Israel can be a Jewish state or a democratic state" speech supporting this anti-Israel moves.
So sad -- self-hating Jews do exist.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at December 31, 2016 10:57 AM (Lsu/B)

96 Maybe we tied. But TB3K says I got em first.

Neeener neener!

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Wargame Designer at December 31, 2016 10:57 AM (d76uN)

97 gracepc, if you're still aboard thank you for moving the comment from two threads ago to the last thread (before I came here...with me so far?"

Steroids have kicked in with a vengeance. The body is more than willing. Unfortunately, the brain is still working on the Bailey's.

Posted by: creeper, lost in the Witopia web at December 31, 2016 10:57 AM (FRI8H)

98 Damn!

I was beaten to the punch!

And I was already painting the scalp on my keyboard.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

99 I have no doubt Russia is more than happy of at least a temporary break up of the US and Israel. Many pundits have said there is permanent damage with this resolution in world courts.
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2016 10:55 AM (5sOEp)

the "permanent" damage is not to US-Israel relations, which should reverse 20JAN17 as soon as President Trump is sworn in. The "Permanent" Damage is to Israel and it's new vulnerability to actions not only by the World Court but also the EU and every other tin pot government and international agency and NDO looking to fuck Israel. Thanks Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (SjImc)

100 The snap is good, the hold is good.
CBD boots it,,, it's through the uprights.

Just thought that was an appropriate analogy for this weekend.

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (gJ3Vg)

101 >>>and packs of velociraptors genetically engineered to have rabies.

Can reptiles get rabies? I've never heard of a rabid reptile. What if a rabid dog bit a lizard?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (rH4JY)

102 Remember in 2008 when people tried to warn 52% of the country that a guy who spent his state senate career voting "present" was a bad idea?
Posted by: Damiano at December 31, 2016 10:54 AM (71OEY)
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Oh yes, I surely do.

He's so cowardly that he ordered the US to abstain from this vote, knowing what would happen and thereby approving of it. He didn't even have to guts to go with a "Yea" vote.

I wish I could say that this was his final "eff you" to us, but I don't think it is.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (sBOL1)

103 "but yeah knowing who is in Office and the sycophants in the Pentagon, probably not so much"

You got it

*Taps side of nose, knowingly*

During the Bosnian unpleasantness, during the holiday stand down we were tasked with emergency deployment from our Home Port in Italy.

They were helo'ing crew out from Naples and Sig for days.

Then we pulled into Bari, and they simply bussed them east to us across the boot.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (J+eG2)

104 I was beaten to the punch!

And I was already painting the scalp on my keyboard.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Now we all need to be on alert because the banhammer can't be put back in its sheath until it's tasted blood.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (MQZOg)

105 92 I have no doubt Russia is more than happy of at least a temporary break up of the US and Israel. Many pundits have said there is permanent damage with this resolution in world courts.
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2016 10:55 AM (5sOEp)

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I don't think Trump is going to let the world court or the UN, for that matter, dictate our relationship with Israel

Posted by: Soona at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (Fmupd)

106 Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 10:56 AM (pwONV)

Loyalty to God is not dual loyalty.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (rF0hx)

107 And I was already painting the scalp on my keyboard.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

You can have the kill.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Wargame Designer at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (d76uN)

108 So sad -- self-hating Jews do exist.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at December 31, 2016 10:57 AM (Lsu/B)

Yup...and it my life long duty to drive them all off my FB page and make them weap like women

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (SjImc)

109 15 Fox reports we have no carriers in the middle east. In fact, we have no aircraft carriers deployed anywhere right now (for only a short time), which has to be a recent record.

Does anyone know when America last had no carriers at sea?
Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 10:26 AM (Ppvh7)

Well not sure if that is correct or not? But for sure we have Carriers in and near Japan since we forward deploy one there
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:31 AM (SjImc)

A few years ago we had a gap for about a month or so. This is similar, and a result of not having the minimum required 12 carriers.

Yes, we have a Carrier stationed in Japan, but it's probably in port.

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at December 31, 2016 11:00 AM (R5EqA)

110 MTF

1939 for no carriers at sea at all?

1940-Present CVs, CVEs, CVSs, CVAs, or CVNs at sea.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:00 AM (u82oZ)

111 And I was already painting the scalp on my keyboard.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

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I award you boys each half a scalp. Well done.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 11:00 AM (sBOL1)

112 "From articals I've read Barak has handed the keys to East Jerusalem to the Muzzies."

You also read that Obama has been a big success as president.

Obama has most likely paved the way for a third temple in Jerusalem.

Also great numbers of illegal immigrants Obama is letting in to the US will convert to Christianity and send missionary back to their home countries.

God's got it. Live abundantly and spread happiness.

Posted by: Ok at December 31, 2016 11:00 AM (lEWrS)

113 you both qualify for your end of the year bonus.

Posted by: concrete girl at December 31, 2016 11:01 AM (TD/W3)

114 Sgut. Missed the troll. Just as well, per bluebell's above.

Posted by: creeper, lost in the Witopia web at December 31, 2016 11:02 AM (FRI8H)

115 I don't think Trump is going to let the world court or the UN, for that matter, dictate our relationship with Israel
Posted by: Soona at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (Fmupd)

No of course not, but the World Court can now more easily make life difficult for Israel. And NOW there is NO incentive for the palis to ever come to any negotiating table since the UN and the Rest of the world will just hand everything to them. And that has already started. The palis are making new and even more obtuse demands because of that last vile resolution.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:02 AM (SjImc)

116 "Most Evangelicals Christians whom I know are strong supporters of the state of Israel."

Probably because the Bible makes it very clear that the Jews are God's people.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at December 31, 2016 11:02 AM (nQ10o)

117 My pleasure Bigby.
I saw you had already chosen a good starting place.
If there is anything I can do to help like look for a good school in your area let me know.

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:03 AM (gJ3Vg)

118 Posted by: creeper, lost in the Witopia web at December 31, 2016 11:02 AM (FRI8H)

Didn't miss much at all. I'm a bit surprised we haven't had more of their ilk around lately. hillzebub losing the election has taken its toll on the troll community.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Wargame Designer at December 31, 2016 11:04 AM (d76uN)

119 My very liberal Jewish friend who lives on the UES in NYC actually posted "I love John Kerry" the day that idiot gave his "Israel can be a Jewish state or a democratic state" speech supporting this anti-Israel moves.
So sad -- self-hating Jews do exist.

Posted by: Dancing Queen

I don't think that supposed "self-hating Jews" or "self-hating whites" actually exist.

I think they are just adopting a posture that allows them to think of themselves as virtuous, without having to sacrifice anything. In other words, they are doing something that feeds into their narcissism, the exact opposite of exhibiting self hatred. What they do may harm *other* Jews and *other* whites, but the point is that they are so narcissistic that their own situation is all that matters to them.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 11:04 AM (rH4JY)

120 Can reptiles get rabies? I've never heard of a rabid reptile. What if a rabid dog bit a lizard?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

Only mammals can get it, that's why the raptors have to be engineered to be rabid.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 11:04 AM (MQZOg)

121 the "permanent" damage is not to US-Israel relations, which should reverse 20JAN17 as soon as President Trump is sworn in. The "Permanent" Damage is to Israel and it's new vulnerability to actions not only by the World Court but also the EU and every other tin pot government and international agency and NDO looking to fuck Israel. Thanks Fredo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (SjImc)

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I don't think Trump is going to let anything like that happen to Israel. The big dog (US) will soon be storming back. Even to the length of getting out of the UN.

Posted by: Soona at December 31, 2016 11:05 AM (Fmupd)

122 Yes, creeper, better that you missed it. We're getting at least one a day, and it's so repugnant. I'm grateful to Tim and CBD for just getting rid of it in the beginning, rather than letting it despoil the thread even further than it had.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 11:05 AM (sBOL1)

123 NGU, the palis will screw it up, as always.

Israel has a lot of cards they can play before they go all Red Army on the palis. Including some very underhanded cards. So no worries.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:05 AM (u82oZ)

124 "The most beautiful sound in the world is the Muslim call to prayer"

Childern who's parents are Mohammedans are automatically classified as Mohammedans in the eyes of other Mohammedans.

Obama's father, the alcoholic that died in drunk car wreck, convert to Mohammedanism from Roman Catholic before Barrack was born.

Connect the dots.

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:05 AM (LRZqz)

125 Obama's Petulance And Ignorance Of Geopolitics...

What happened to our traditional "But Mostly..." clause?

Posted by: t-bird at December 31, 2016 11:05 AM (HwVbl)

126 Cop Killer in Pa. dead !!

Posted by: Evilpens at December 31, 2016 11:06 AM (y3aQB)

127 111 And I was already painting the scalp on my keyboard.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:58 AM (rF0hx)

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I award you boys each half a scalp. Well done.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 11:00 AM (sBOL1)

Looks kinda mangy.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 11:06 AM (ywNoU)

128 116
"Most Evangelicals Christians whom I know are strong supporters of the state of Israel."

Probably because the Bible makes it very clear that the Jews are God's people.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at December 31, 2016 11:02 AM (nQ10o)

That, and of course, the fact we worship a Jew.

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:07 AM (LRZqz)

129 44 IMO, an Evangelical Christian wouldn't or shouldn't say "America first". They'd say or should say "Christ first", It doesn't mean that we can't love and support our country. Indeed we should- and Scriptures says that we are to be good citizens-but sometimes our faith will conflict with what our country says is good.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 10:42 AM (tOcW/)

Amen. Render unto Caesar...

Posted by: Blake at December 31, 2016 11:07 AM (WEBkv)

130 Ah, that's enough. I need to go do something, even if it's wrong.

Keep yer hand on it, Morons.

Posted by: creeper, lost in the Witopia web at December 31, 2016 11:07 AM (FRI8H)

131 I don't think Trump is going to let anything like that happen to Israel. The big dog (US) will soon be storming back. Even to the length of getting out of the UN.
Posted by: Soona at December 31, 2016 11:05 AM (Fmupd)

We don't control the World Court. No Veto there. And we do control what the EU does. This vile resolution opened up can of worms. It changed 49 years of Stated US and International "Law" over night.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:07 AM (SjImc)

132 RE: 106:

I get the feeling that you are a fellow Christian, and theoretically, I agree with you based on the fact that Christian principles do not conflict with a representative democracy. For those not in the faith however they consider anything other than full devotion to country (or government) to be divided loyalty. Technically they are correct. My first loyalty is to God. Not to any human institution. Many atheists find my lack of faith in humans disturbing and use the concept of dual loyalty to "shame" me into doing the acceptable thing and saying "Nah I love my country you don't understand". It is to them that my comment is directed. I will never follow an edict that goes against my relationship with God and although right at this moment the country I live in respects that, I think we can all understand that that freedom is not an absolute and today does not predict tomorrow.

Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 11:08 AM (pwONV)

133 Israel can be a Jewish state or a democratic state

Hmm, the "duel" loyalty argument... John Kerry was our troll!

Posted by: t-bird at December 31, 2016 11:08 AM (ZIFyZ)

134 We don't control the World Court. No Veto there. And we do control what the EU does. This vile resolution opened up can of worms. It changed 49 years of Stated US and International "Law" over night.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:07 AM (SjImc)

Sorry do NOT control what the EU does

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:08 AM (SjImc)

135 Looks kinda mangy.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 11:06 AM (ywNoU)
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Those kind always are.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 11:09 AM (sBOL1)

136 Seems to me that those who express loyalty to 1) God, and 2) Country are of the same frame of mind as our Founders.

Posted by: French Jeton at December 31, 2016 11:09 AM (WMvHw)

137 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 10:55 AM (rF0hx)

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No criticism intended. I am just continually amazed at how successfully the Arab disinformation campaign as leveraged the difficulty most Americans have of the security situation.

The premise is always that the Israelis must do x or must not do y to achieve peace. There is never any expectation that the Arabs cease their incitement and support of Jew-hatred and violence. The clear unwillingness to address this root cause, which relies entirely on Arab action dooms all hope of a lasting peace. So wake me when the Security Council passes a resolution on that.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2016 11:09 AM (EZebt)

138 Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:07 AM (LRZqz)

Well, yes, those are both true. Also, the prophets came from Israel. I don't worship a Jew-I worship God made flesh who came as a Jewish man. The fact that he's Jewish is central to who he was, but "I worship a Jew sounds a little odd to me."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 11:09 AM (tOcW/)

139 Obama is despicable. And not in a good way...

Posted by: Me at December 31, 2016 11:10 AM (EwGtF)

140 ",,, it's through the uprights."

No,, wait,, it was blocked. Illinois is running it back the other way.
Dildo catches him and brings him down.
The ball is out and loose on the ground.
We'll pause 10 seconds for a station break.

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:10 AM (gJ3Vg)

141 Israel can be a Jewish state or a democratic state

Hmm, the "duel" loyalty argument... John Kerry was our troll!
Posted by: t-bird at December 31, 2016 11:08 AM (ZIFyZ)

Actually no not the dual loyalty claim...that is aimed at the usual faulty population studies that have proven wrong since 1967

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:10 AM (SjImc)

142 And Blessed are the cheese-makers.

Posted by: Brian of Nazareth at December 31, 2016 11:11 AM (JO9+V)

143 Obama is despicable. And not in a good way...

Posted by: Me at December 31, 2016 11:10 AM (EwGtF)

I agree!

Posted by: Daffy Duck at December 31, 2016 11:12 AM (JO9+V)

144 I don't think Trump is going to let anything like that happen to Israel.
The big dog (US) will soon be storming back. Even to the length of
getting out of the UN.

But if the US gets out of the UN, who is going to veto all the anti-Israel resolutions in the otherwise anti-Semitic Security Counsel? Perhaps just defunding many functions the UN "performs" serves a better purpose than getting out completely.

Posted by: jayhawkone at December 31, 2016 11:12 AM (ZD+J8)

145 Well, yes, those are both true. Also, the prophets came from Israel. I don't worship a Jew-I worship God made flesh who came as a Jewish man. The fact that he's Jewish is central to who he was, but "I worship a Jew sounds a little odd to me."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 11:09 AM (tOcW/)

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Odd but true. Except for some laws that Jesus questioned, he was what would be considered today a devout Jew.

Posted by: Soona at December 31, 2016 11:13 AM (Fmupd)

146 Well, yes, those are both true. Also, the prophets
came from Israel. I don't worship a Jew-I worship God made flesh who
came as a Jewish man. The fact that he's Jewish is central to who he
was, but "I worship a Jew sounds a little odd to me."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2016 11:09 AM (tOcW/)

Yeah, good point. Most folks skip over the fact Jesus was Jewish before he became Christ. My point is all Christians and Jews share the same book, our Jewish brothers just haven accepted Christ, YET.

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:13 AM (LRZqz)

147 Can't believe the U.K. went along with this. Fuck those limey bastards.

Posted by: gm at December 31, 2016 11:14 AM (K0tm3)

148 @144: Without the US, the UN has no credibility. Their blue helmets are already an international joke with the US in. It'll just be worse for them without us.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 31, 2016 11:14 AM (5dOnv)

149 Inside Israel's Christmas reprimands of foreign diplomats
An enraged Foreign Ministry disrupts the holiday for the representatives of those countries who voted against Israel in the UN Security Council; adding insult to injury, small talk is dispensed with, no national flags are displayed, and refreshments aren't even offered; find herein a glimpse into the machinations of the biggest simultaneous scolding the MFA has ever had to administer.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:15 AM (SjImc)

150 UN is a useless organization and the more I have seen of it I am glad it is useless. Do we really want them to have more power? So that can run the globe like the progressive internationalists want?

The faster it loses what little power it has, the better for America.

Posted by: William Eaton at December 31, 2016 11:15 AM (MuTTO)

151 "Most Evangelicals Christians whom I know are strong supporters of the state of Israel."

Probably because the Bible makes it very clear that the Jews are God's people.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe

This goes back to a debate that started in the early 19th century when J.N. Darby founded the Dispensational school as opposed Covenant theology (or "replacement theology"). Fascinating stuff, but all irrelevant, as far as the current situation goes. All I need is that Pamela Geller poster, "In any conflict between a savage and a civilized man, always support the civilized man".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 11:15 AM (rH4JY)

152 I don't think Trump is going to let anything like that happen to Israel. The big dog (US) will soon be storming back. Even to the length of getting out of the UN.

Posted by: Soona at December 31, 2016 11:05 AM (Fmupd)

I'd really like to see the US out of the UN, but if Trump decides to stay, it'd be nice to see him say that Captain Kechup's speech does not reflect US policy and was done as a malicious attempt to subvert our ally. Refute it publicly in the General Assembly as well as in the Security Council.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2016 11:15 AM (g+ibI)

153 Because I'm Way Down Here in OZ where it's already tomorrow. .I'm allowed to go OT (Obscure rules documented somewhere)

Happy New Year to you all and best wishes for a better year ahead!

The sailing ship just arrived Down Under with the news that Mrs Clinton will not be President!

Unbelievable really and I'm not sure if I can believe this!

Now I'll be waiting for the carrier pigeon to confirm!

Posted by: aussie at December 31, 2016 11:16 AM (dzzmN)

154 147
Can't believe the U.K. went along with this. Fuck those limey bastards.

Posted by: gm at December 31, 2016 11:14 AM (K0tm3

AND New Zealand.

I think Trumps idea of making some folks pay for our protection might be something the Kiwi's think about, since they have no military to speak of.

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:16 AM (LRZqz)

155 The sailing ship just arrived Down Under with the news that Mrs Clinton will not be President!

Unbelievable really and I'm not sure if I can believe this!

Now I'll be waiting for the carrier pigeon to confirm!

Posted by: aussie at December 31, 2016 11:16 AM (dzzmN)

Aussie, catch a Great White and read the newspaper inside!

Posted by: Kindltot at December 31, 2016 11:17 AM (9MInk)

156 Why is it that the left sees problems of dual loyalty for Joooos, but not all of these dual US citizens they love so much?

Posted by: gm at December 31, 2016 11:17 AM (K0tm3)

157 The sailing ship just arrived Down Under with the news that Mrs Clinton will not be President!

Unbelievable really and I'm not sure if I can believe this!

Now I'll be waiting for the carrier pigeon to confirm!

Posted by: aussie at December 31, 2016 11:16 AM (dzzmN)

Tell us about the six tons of garbage party on Christmas day? Aussie Rednecks? Foreigners?

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:17 AM (LRZqz)

158 During the Bosnian unpleasantness, during the
holiday stand down we were tasked with emergency deployment from our
Home Port in Italy.

They were helo'ing crew out from Naples and Sig for days.

Then we pulled into Bari, and they simply bussed them east to us across the boot.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 10:59 AM (J+eG2)

53 days in the Adriatic Sea aboard the USS Saipan (LHA-2) long may the coral grow upon her. We were the first Marine Expeditionary Unit/Amphibious Ready Group on station after Clinton took office in 1993. Teddy Roosevelt was in the Persian Gulf as was the 24th MEU on the Wasp Amphib Ready Group. For all that time, we were in the "9 day window" to go ashore, but the Serbs and Bosniacs could not come to resolution of their brutal combat during our float. After that we stayed in the Eastern Med watching Bosnia and Algeria. Fine times indeed.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at December 31, 2016 11:17 AM (7N6ox)

159 Now I'll be waiting for the carrier pigeon to confirm!

Posted by: aussie

My horse is swimming as fast as it can.

Posted by: Pony Express at December 31, 2016 11:18 AM (MQZOg)

160 lightning, that remark about dual loyalty and Evangelical Christians was made by an anti-Semitic troll, not someone who is a regular here.

Many of us here are Christians or Jews who put God first, as He should be. Those of us here who are not believers are very supportive of religion and will defend our rights as well as anyone. That's one of the things I love about this place. We are all different, but we all appreciate the Judeo-Christian foundation of our country.

So I don't think anyone who is a regular here would ever say that those of us who believe in God have dual loyalties. That person was just trying to get under our skin. Ignore him.

Posted by: bluebell at December 31, 2016 11:18 AM (sBOL1)

161 No criticism intended.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2016 11:09 AM (EZebt)

Dude....if you aren't here to criticize the posts then I just don't get it....

Of course....they have been successful in turning logic on its head.

Israel must act to pacify and accommodate terrorists. Israel must give up land...land that protects it from a second holocaust...before any other player does anything.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 11:18 AM (rF0hx)

162 Didn't there used to be rumors that Kerry was part Jewish? Maybe he's self hating, but he doesn't have to worry about the consequences, because ketchup.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 11:20 AM (rH4JY)

163 The comment Kerry made regarding Israel, (paraphrasing) You can be Jewish or a democracy but not both, is perhaps the best example of why I made the comment I did. The world today doesn't believe that people of faith can be democratic because of the whole misguided belief that a true democracy is only one that is secular and accepts everybody. For the elites, liberals, atheists, etc. they equate acceptance with approval and endorsement. I can't do that. I can accept gays and have many gay friends. I will never approve of being gay nor will I ever endorse it. To them, I am undemocratic and a fascist. I believe we need to accept this challenge and hit them with their own hypocrisy.

Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 11:20 AM (pwONV)

164 "I get the feeling that you are a fellow Christian..."

Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 11:08 AM (pwONV)

Nope.

I am Jewish.

But loyalty to God and loyalty to country are perfectly compatible. Our founders were insistent that Americans could do both without any question.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 11:20 AM (rF0hx)

165 >>>I think Trumps idea of making some folks pay for our protection might be something the Kiwi's think about, since they have no military to speak of.

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:16 AM (LRZqz)>>>

In Trump's negotiations with China in making a deal for the American working man, we should see what we can get for New Zealand.

Posted by: gm at December 31, 2016 11:21 AM (K0tm3)

166 They don't call me Shit Midas for nothin', ya know.

Posted by: Prez'nit Toonces at December 31, 2016 11:21 AM (Tyii7)

167 And Keith Ellison makes an appearance!

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I see that Alan Dumbshitzowitz says he'll quit the Donk party if the Eel becomes head of the DNC. No flies on him, boy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:21 AM (Nwg0u)

168 Didn't there used to be rumors that Kerry was part Jewish? Maybe he's self hating, but he doesn't have to worry about the consequences, because ketchup.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

Every democrat finds a Jewish ancestor when it comes time to fundraise.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 11:21 AM (MQZOg)

169 Defunding should start with the NGOs that the US supports independently of the UN affiliation. There are a metric shit-tonne of those international political action groups that work against US policies without oversight. Good place to start being ruthless, and then work our way up the chain. Have they found the $6billion that State Dept 'lost' yet?

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 31, 2016 11:22 AM (MIKMs)

170 Obama is not anti-Jewish. He's pro-Palestinian.

And he's not a Muslim. He's an atheist.

Also, he's a lazy asshole.

Posted by: Off the reservation at December 31, 2016 11:23 AM (uqnYW)

171 "I get the feeling that you are a fellow Christian..."

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Before I answer, have you got a lion's den?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:24 AM (Nwg0u)

172 >>>Obama's ham-handed but partly successful attempt at isolating his least
favorite country (filled with yucky Jooos!) may very well push Israel to
be more proactive militarily and more belligerent diplomatically.
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I'm not so sure Israel is Obama's least favorite country. Maybe second.

Posted by: davidt at December 31, 2016 11:24 AM (XoldI)

173 " Why is it that the left sees problems of dual loyalty for Joooos, but not all of these dual US citizens they love so much?"

You know who else they never have an issue with concerning loyalties?

Illegal immigrants, here.....illegally.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:24 AM (J+eG2)

174 155 Kindltot
Mmm I'm waiting for the carrier pigeon!

Now that I'm back I have to relearn how to do links

I have a beauty of a great white shark link it's awful in it's awesomeness!

Posted by: aussie at December 31, 2016 11:25 AM (dzzmN)

175 156 Why is it that the left sees problems of dual loyalty for Joooos, but not all of these dual US citizens they love so much?
Posted by: gm at December 31, 2016 11:17 AM (K0tm3)

The left can't think straight because they are too busy trying to rationalize sharia's compatibility with the Constitution.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 31, 2016 11:25 AM (oQQwD)

176 Didn't there used to be rumors that Kerry was part Jewish? Maybe he's self hating,

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That's not very efficient. I can hate him for him.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:25 AM (Nwg0u)

177 The comment Kerry made regarding Israel, (paraphrasing) You can be Jewish or a democracy but not both, is perhaps the best example of why I made the comment I did. The world today doesn't believe that people of faith can be democratic because of the whole misguided belief that a true democracy is only one that is secular and accepts everybody. For the elites, liberals, atheists, etc. they equate acceptance with approval and endorsement. I can't do that. I can accept gays and have many gay friends. I will never approve of being gay nor will I ever endorse it. To them, I am undemocratic and a fascist. I believe we need to accept this challenge and hit them with their own hypocrisy.
Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 11:20 AM (pwONV)

Actually that comment had nothing to do with "religion" per say, but about Population projections and the such. A story as old as time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:26 AM (SjImc)

178 I'm not so sure Israel is Obama's least favorite country. Maybe second.
Posted by: davidt

Israel is the "Little Satan", Obama reserves most of his hatred for the "Great Satan".

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 11:26 AM (MQZOg)

179 Aussie, catch a Great White and read the newspaper inside!

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Remember to take a chainsaw with you!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 31, 2016 11:26 AM (kTF2Z)

180 Had yogurt and strawberries. No I didn't try to imply a breakup of the US and Israel permanently, only the next 20 days. For all the crying from Leftists that Trump is anti Israel its them who are against Israel. Its a Leftist trait from the beginning.

Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2016 11:27 AM (5sOEp)

181 Didn't there used to be rumors that Kerry was part Jewish? Maybe he's self hating,

Rumors? LOL..it was kerry himself who raised that canard when he was running for President. What a cock sucker

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:27 AM (SjImc)

182 But loyalty to God and loyalty to country are perfectly compatible. Our founders were insistent that Americans could do both without any question

+++

It was an important question. In their era the King was effectively a priest- king, head of England and the church. Dissent was heresy.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at December 31, 2016 11:28 AM (8ReTf)

183 CBD, when the first move prescribed for you is to surrender, you probably shouldn't continue playing.

I doubt somehow that the Israelis believe in promises of peace and protection

There are a lot of governments that are willing to throw in the towel and walk away or buy peace. Santos in Colombia, over the rejection of the nationwide plebiscite, has concluded the first part of its peace deal with the FARC, and in exchange will tax Colombian citizens to subsidize the guerillas to the tune of around $150 a month for not being terrorists any more. The FARC leaders want the right to be in government too. The question of why Colombia should subsidize a guerrilla force now that Venezuela is broke, or why FARC should get the dignity that Pablo Escobar was denied is not addressed.
Santos, however, got his Nobel.

(I think the peace prize is now given only for surrendering to communists and marxists)

Posted by: Kindltot at December 31, 2016 11:28 AM (9MInk)

184 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 31, 2016 11:28 AM (KCxzN)

185 Want to see heads explode? Suppose Trump suggests a new international organization, The United Democracies.

Posted by: davidt at December 31, 2016 11:28 AM (XoldI)

186 157 The Other Guy
Foreign backpackers at Coogee Beach - a favourite spot for them
Yes heaps of rubbish left behind

Posted by: aussie at December 31, 2016 11:28 AM (dzzmN)

187 If one believes Global Security, as of October the US Navy had only two carriers deployed.

Three carriers are 'Surge' ready. Which probably means they'll have to be pushed out to sea by hand.

Two carriers are in a post deployment phase which means in the yard for routine stuff.

And three are in maintenance which means their guts are ripped out and it will be a couple years before they are ready for deployment again.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/where.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 11:29 AM (x0mWT)

188 Any 'rons/'ettes want to stick a thumb in the eye of regressives, help game this poll:
St. Louis Person of the Year 2016. This is on Mayor of StL's site, and Phyllis Schlafley is in the mix. I knew Phyllis, and she was a huge force for The Cause. Help out if you can. I've been voting, closing the link and reopening and voting again. Link:
http://tinyurl.com/Votephyllis

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 31, 2016 11:29 AM (ty7RM)

189 >>>Obama is not anti-Jewish. He's pro-Palestinian.

Yes. As long as they're in the same "club" like Kagan or Cass Sunstein, I think he has no problem with them. He's a raging secularist. That is to say, someone who is working hard to overrun the western world with Muslim fundamentalists.

I think, maybe elitists aren't pro-muslim per se, they are just blase, bored, and they think that making our country Muslim majority will spice up life a little.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 11:29 AM (rH4JY)

190 Is Tim a new cob-logger with keys to the TBH3K?

Posted by: Butch at December 31, 2016 11:29 AM (hXu8T)

191 And, of course, that's what liberals think now. Dissent from themselves is heresy.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at December 31, 2016 11:30 AM (8ReTf)

192 Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 11:29 AM (x0mWT)

LOL, they keep making noise that The Ford is "This" close to being ready? "This" Close.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:30 AM (SjImc)

193 Maybe I should do some research because I always understood that if your Mother is Jewish, you are Jewish. The status of your Father does not matter.

There would be no such thing as "part Jewish".

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Wargame Designer at December 31, 2016 11:30 AM (d76uN)

194 The comment Kerry made regarding Israel, (paraphrasing) You can be Jewish or a democracy but not both

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I think maybe what Horseface Himmler meant was that Israel better give up the West Bank and everywhere else where there is not a substantial Jewish majority or else Israel cannot maintain its Jewish character.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:31 AM (Nwg0u)

195 "We've made extraordinary progress as a country these past eight years," Obama said. "And here's the thing: none of it was inevitable. It was the result of tough choices we made, and the result of your hard work and resilience."

Looking ahead, Obama said the task of moving forward on progress falls to people working together.

Obama thanked Americans for their support and said "almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago."

The doofus is either very stupid, or thinks we all are.

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at December 31, 2016 11:31 AM (LTHVh)

196 Maybe I should do some research because I always understood that if your Mother is Jewish, you are Jewish. The status of your Father does not matter.

There would be no such thing as "part Jewish".
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Wargame Designer at December 31, 2016 11:30 AM (d76uN)

"part Jewish" is a secular construct. Religiously yes, your mother is the key

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:31 AM (SjImc)

197 News is a little old but still holding but it is as I predicted the Drexel professor who wanted mass execution of white people for Christmas still has backing of that Leftist Seminary.

Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2016 11:32 AM (5sOEp)

198 What a cock sucker

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:27 AM (SjImc)

Supposedly his paternal grandparents were Jewish, but converted.

Wikipedia agrees, which means it may or may not be true.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 11:32 AM (rF0hx)

199 159 Pony Express

Good onya - should get news quicker than by carrier pigeon !

Posted by: aussie at December 31, 2016 11:32 AM (dzzmN)

200 I think maybe what Horseface Himmler meant was that Israel better give up the West Bank and everywhere else where there is not a substantial Jewish majority or else Israel cannot maintain its Jewish character.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:31 AM (Nwg0u)

Yes exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:32 AM (SjImc)

201 There would be no such thing as "part Jewish".

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No, they've got to cut a part off before your Jewish.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:33 AM (Nwg0u)

202 I think maybe what Horseface Himmler meant was that
Israel better give up the West Bank and everywhere else where there is
not a substantial Jewish majority or else Israel cannot maintain its
Jewish character.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:31 AM (Nwg0u)

Is he really advocating surrendering California to Mexico?

Posted by: Kindltot at December 31, 2016 11:33 AM (9MInk)

203 CBD, May I ask a question about the Jewish faith and scripture?
It's just for my own understanding an no offense in any way would be intended.
Like any Christian I love Israel and would go there to fight for her if allowed,,, even at my old age.

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:33 AM (gJ3Vg)

204 Supposedly his paternal grandparents were Jewish, but converted.

Wikipedia agrees, which means it may or may not be true.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 11:32 AM (rF0hx)

So he is related to Casper Weinberger, another well known anti-semite! LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:34 AM (SjImc)

205 "Supposedly his paternal grandparents were Jewish, but converted. "

Ah, his fathers side.

I don't think he gets points for that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:34 AM (J+eG2)

206
I see that Alan Dumbshitzowitz says he'll quit the Donk party if the Eel becomes head of the DNC. No flies on him, boy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius!

He'll still vote for them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2016 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

207 "before your Jewish."

Before your Jewish what?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:35 AM (J+eG2)

208 CBD, May I ask a question about the Jewish faith and scripture?

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:33 AM (gJ3Vg)

Ask away!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 11:35 AM (rF0hx)

209 Rumors? LOL..it was kerry himself who raised that canard when he was running for President. What a cock sucker
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:27 AM (SjImc)

Just the circumcised ones. Trying to build up his cred.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2016 11:36 AM (ywNoU)

210 I see that Alan Dumbshitzowitz says he'll quit the Donk party if the Eel becomes head of the DNC. No flies on him, boy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius!

He'll still vote for them.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2016 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

maybe, maybe not, probably...but at this moment Dersowitz is pounding Fredo and kerry, so he is on roll. Let him continue

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:36 AM (SjImc)

211 All these bowl sponsors crack me up. The TaxSlayer Bowl.

When is the Tidy Bowl?

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at December 31, 2016 11:37 AM (LTHVh)

212 Forgive my naivete, but is there a chance Israel would withdraw from the UN?

Seems to me diplomacy these days dictates that everyone is supposed to act as if they are bound by this corrupt, foolish, and ultimately impotent organization.

Why?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:37 AM (Pz4pT)

213 >>>News is a little old but still holding but it is as I predicted the Drexel professor who wanted mass execution of white people for Christmas still has backing of that Leftist Seminary.

And yet, who was it? Glenn Reynolds? when they said that if you are surrounded by a violent mob in your car and felt your life was in danger, you should not stop. He was forced to recant, because racist.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 11:37 AM (rH4JY)

214 RE: 194 and 200

That doesn't make any sense and is the dumbest thing I have read in awhile.

Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 11:38 AM (pwONV)

215 Bear in mind that while we have no carriers at sea, we are still involved in fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia & who knows where else.

Posted by: josephistan at December 31, 2016 11:38 AM (7qAYi)

216 Forgive my naivete, but is there a chance Israel would withdraw from the UN?

Seems to me diplomacy these days dictates that everyone is supposed to act as if they are bound by this corrupt, foolish, and ultimately impotent organization.

Why?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:37 AM (Pz4pT)

No chance what so ever...what would Israel gain by withdrawing? Other than satisfaction, which does not count for much?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:39 AM (SjImc)

217 RE: 214

I didn't mean you all are dumb, I meant Kerry is dumb. Sorry not enough coffee this morning.

Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 11:39 AM (pwONV)

218 I thought the USS Gabrielle Giffords was deployed hunting rogue NRA members.

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It's helmed by Captain Miss Sloane.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:39 AM (Nwg0u)

219 RE: 194 and 200

That doesn't make any sense and is the dumbest thing I have read in awhile.
Posted by: lightning at December 31, 2016 11:38 AM (pwONV)

Then your ill informed..but that is exactly what the reference was to

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:40 AM (SjImc)

220 We've made extraordinary progress as a country these past eight years," Obama said. "And here's the thing: none of it was inevitable. It was the result of tough choices we made, and the result of your hard work and resilience

+++

Posted yesterday a link for when Gretchen on Fox said nobody respects the US anymore and the media had a cow. That was in response to Obama saying equally dumb shit

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at December 31, 2016 11:40 AM (8ReTf)

221 NGU

Capt. McCormack, CO PCU-78, sounds hopeful they will complete builder sea trials , independent steaming trials, commission, and join the Fleet next year. But his tag line does not fill me with confidence since it reads like a Six Sigma mantra - "Mission Ready, Qualified and Competent, On Time Execution!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 11:40 AM (x0mWT)

222 I think Ezra/Nehemiah established that Judaism is passed down through the maternal line.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 11:40 AM (rH4JY)

223 I have a friend who is my age (ancient) who claims he is a Jew, but I knew his Mom and Dad, and only his Dad was a practicing Jew.
Whenever he claims he is a Jew I correct him and he doesn't appreciate that. I tell him if he can claim Judaism he would have to go to school, same as me.
But, I am a Protestant.

Posted by: navybrat at December 31, 2016 11:41 AM (w7KSn)

224 " He was forced to recant, because racist."

I didn't think he actually recanted or retracted the statement.

Upon formal review, the University actually stood behind his right to say what he did.

If I remember correctly.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:41 AM (J+eG2)

225 OK gotta go

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at December 31, 2016 11:41 AM (8ReTf)

226 All these bowl sponsors crack me up. The TaxSlayer Bowl.

When is the Tidy Bowl?
Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200

Next year, we sponsor the Cotton Bowl.

Posted by: Tampax at December 31, 2016 11:41 AM (MQZOg)

227 Capt. McCormack, CO PCU-78, sounds hopeful they will complete builder sea trials , independent steaming trials, commission, and join the Fleet next year. But his tag line does not fill me with confidence since it reads like a Six Sigma mantra - "Mission Ready, Qualified and Competent, On Time Execution!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 11:40 AM (x0mWT)

Yup..I am not holding my breath. Have they gotten all the glitches out of the magnetic catapult system yet?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:42 AM (SjImc)

228
140 ",,, it's through the uprights."
No,, wait,, it was blocked. Illinois is running it back the other way.
Dildo catches him and brings him down.
The ball is out and loose on the ground.

Gentlemen, there's no fighting in here! This is the War Room!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 31, 2016 11:42 AM (BK3ZS)

229 We were always the best bowl.

Posted by: The Weed Eater Bowl at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (Tyii7)

230 195
Obama thanked Americans for their support and said "almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago."

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at December 31, 2016 11:31 AM (LTHVh)

I like that. "Almost". I wonder who he thinks the exceptions are?

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (sdi6R)

231 "Supposedly his paternal grandparents were Jewish, but converted. "

Ah, his fathers side.

I don't think he gets points for that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:34 AM (J+eG2)

Didn't the Nazi's wrestle with this, then just declared any Jewish blood, your a Jew.. Have watched the HBO movie on the Wannsee Conference. Interesting to watch, was on Amazon Prime...

Posted by: Colin at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (ogUTd)

232 Tim @ 193 - As explained by Mel Brooks, "Well, we know who the mother is." It was a discussion type show where he and other Jewish comedians (Robert Klein, Carl Reiner, etc.) talked about being Jewish in America. Very funny.

Posted by: Butch at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (hXu8T)

233 "Part Jewish" a social construct, but, now and again, strenuously enforced.

It was still commonly accepted in the early 70's that Israel was a fundamentally Socialist country, well-populated with good soviet types, and eventually would help show the world how real government was supposed to work. Therefore a lot of my congenitally-leftist acquaintances of the time affected a certain level of Hebraity, or at least Israel-ish-ness. Lots of Star of David pendants, a kibbutz summer here or there. Part of The Cause.

About that time, I resolved that Israel wasn't going to get a religious vote from me. No sir, I wasn't going to blindly endorse whatever they did just because their residents may or may not be God's Chosen. I was going to judge, for my own self, their actions as a nation by the same standard I'd use to judge any other nation's actions.

And they must have heard about that, because they sure started acting real good right about that time. It was then that I really started liking them. I'm still just judgemental as hell, and they haven't let me down yet.

All those old friends I used to have, well they've moved on.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (H5rtT)

234 Thanks!
Is the entire Old Testament considered to be scripture?
The prophets unerring in their foretelling of events?

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (gJ3Vg)

235 So he is related to Casper Weinberger, another well known anti-semite! LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:34 AM (SjImc)

Don't forget Madeline Albright who just happen to discover her parents were BOTH Jewish and then good ole Nazi worker bee, Soros

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:44 AM (l0RV1)

236 >>>I meant Kerry is dumb.

He's a f*cking genius. That guy can talk way better than I do. And he managed to marry a ketchup billionaire. I tried doing that... never worked out for me.

Posted by: Mr. Ed at December 31, 2016 11:44 AM (rH4JY)

237 I only have 3 hours to get my drunk on before the Peach Bowl.

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at December 31, 2016 11:45 AM (LTHVh)

238 Don't forget Madeline Albright who just happen to discover her parents were BOTH Jewish and then good ole Nazi worker bee, Soros
Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:44 AM (l0RV1)

I had forgotten about her. And now You remind me! LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:45 AM (SjImc)

239 Slightly O/T, but relevant regarding the hiring flurry at various agencies right now -- maybe someone can put me some knowledge; but aren't all hires 'probationary' for a certain amount of time? During that period someone can be fired for any or no reason even with whatever union they would join.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 31, 2016 11:46 AM (MIKMs)

240 "But his tag line does not fill me with confidence since it reads like a Six Sigma mantra - "Mission Ready, Qualified and Competent, On Time Execution!"

Yeh...I'm with you on that one.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:46 AM (J+eG2)

241 237
I only have 3 hours to get my drunk on before the Peach Bowl.

Posted by: Grump928(C) ProLite 2200 at December 31, 2016 11:45 AM (LTHVh)

Jagger shooters, guaranteed sugar buzz.

Posted by: The Other Guy at December 31, 2016 11:46 AM (l0RV1)

242 215 josephistan

No CVNs at sea has strategic implications.

As CVNs are in International waters and are sovereign US territory, the Air Wing is unrestricted in it's actions.

Land based air, of which we have a bit, is limited in actions by the host country. That's why we can not launch from RAFO Thumrait, Oman against Iran. Or use Incirlik Air Base to against Erdogan' s wishes.

Launching B-2s from Missouri is a time-waster, if you need an immediate strike. And no air cover is possible from a long way off.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (u82oZ)

243 "I tried doing that... never worked out for me."

Try faking orgasms, like he does.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (J+eG2)

244 Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:37 AM (Pz4pT)

No chance what so ever...what would Israel gain by withdrawing? Other than satisfaction, which does not count for much?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:39 AM (SjImc)

What do they gain by remaining?

This is what I do not understand. We let a bunch of diplomats rule the world, by gathering in that shitty little body, and behaving as if they have power they don't have.

Guns. That's power. Reprobate diplomats waving paper is not.

I can't think of any reason why Israel chooses to remain in an organization that clearly hates them and wants them dead.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (Pz4pT)

245 And he managed to marry a ketchup billionaire. I tried doing that... never worked out for me.
Posted by: Mr. Ed

But you did hook-up with a Czarina, so you got that going for you.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (MQZOg)

246 Is the entire Old Testament considered to be scripture?

The prophets unerring in their foretelling of events?

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (gJ3Vg)

The analysis of the Old Testament by Talmudic scholars over the centuries has found inconsistencies....which isn't surprising. But in the main, yes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2016 11:48 AM (rF0hx)

247 Land based air, of which we have a bit, is limited in actions by the host country. That's why we can not launch from RAFO Thumrait, Oman against Iran. Or use Incirlik Air Base to against Erdogan' s wishes.

Launching B-2s from Missouri is a time-waster, if you need an immediate strike. And no air cover is possible from a long way off.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (u82oZ)

Of course we could fly anything we want out of Israel at any time without any restrictions but G-D forbid we ever availed ourselves of that..G-D forbid we upset out "Arab" allies??????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:49 AM (SjImc)

248 227 Nevergiveup , that is in the USS Ford, a CVN.

If an LCS had a catapult -- oh my!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:49 AM (u82oZ)

249 All these bowl sponsors crack me up. The TaxSlayer Bowl.

When is the Tidy Bowl?

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I think the Taco Bowl is on quatro de cinqo.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 31, 2016 11:50 AM (Nwg0u)

250 Le NOOD..

Arriving.

Track two

Stand clear, please.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:51 AM (J+eG2)

251 I like that. "Almost". I wonder who he thinks the exceptions are?

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (sdi6R)

The ones that actually matter.

Posted by: buzzion at December 31, 2016 11:51 AM (cAnNx)

252 What do they gain by remaining?

This is what I do not understand. We let a bunch of diplomats rule the world, by gathering in that shitty little body, and behaving as if they have power they don't have.

Guns. That's power. Reprobate diplomats waving paper is not.

I can't think of any reason why Israel chooses to remain in an organization that clearly hates them and wants them dead.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (Pz4pT)

Actually Israel was making some progress in the UN serving on some regional committees and just got elected a prestigious committee which I would have to look up to be honest. That is until Fredo/Kerry/Powers treachery.
And withdrawing would not relieve Israel of any of the negative consequences of UN Actions. The Up side may be minimal, but it does exist...there is no upside from withdrawing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:51 AM (SjImc)

253 247 Nevergiveup

Of course we could fly anything we want out of Israel at any time without any restrictions but G-D forbid we ever availed ourselves of that..G-D forbid we upset out "Arab" allies??????

We could, but not under President Obama, the worst President in the history of the US.

Normally, Incirlik Air Base, RAFO Thumrai, Diego Garcia and CVNs are used instead of Israel to avoid upsetting Egypt and the Saudis. Geopolitics, FWIW.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:52 AM (u82oZ)

254 NGU as of six months ago the answer is No.

The electromagnetic catapult system still occasionally misfires which would mean during carrier operations an F-18E or an F-35 could get launched over the bow while not ready. The arresting gear equipment is also having issues of catching the planes as they try to land.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 11:52 AM (x0mWT)

255 LCS stands for Littoral Combat Ship, so will the USS Bill Clinton be a Clittoral Combat Ship?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at December 31, 2016 11:52 AM (MQZOg)

256 Nevergiveup , that is in the USS Ford, a CVN.

If an LCS had a catapult -- oh my!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:49 AM (u82oZ)

yes I know...I just wanted to lasted update on the new system?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:52 AM (SjImc)

257 Actually I think we owe a huge debt of thanks to Obama. The world is so much clearer today. The enemies are out in the open. The absolute hatred of the left for anything, anyone not them is out in the open. Israel doesn't have to hold back, and neither do we. His great work at decimating the left has only begun.

Posted by: Dan the Man at December 31, 2016 11:53 AM (5t6of)

258 The electromagnetic catapult system still occasionally misfires which would mean during carrier operations an F-18E or an F-35 could get launched over the bow while not ready. The arresting gear equipment is also having issues of catching the planes as they try to land.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 11:52 AM (x0mWT)

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:54 AM (SjImc)

259 Finding it nearly impossible to watch the Citrus Bowl. Seventy five percent commercials, twenty five percent football.

Posted by: The Duke of Mish at December 31, 2016 11:55 AM (Tyii7)

260 Thank you.
That kind of leads to other questions like what were considered inconsistencies but I guess that's good for now.

Besides, I need to get off my skinny backside and fix something to eat.
In the meantime,,,

Love each other fellow babies

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:55 AM (gJ3Vg)

261 Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (u82oZ)

Congress and the Prezzy have pretty much broken the Fleet.

They cut its numbers... yet did not cut deployments... and have run the fleet into the ground.

It takes time after a deployment to fix your ship, to give your crew a rest, and then train up for the next deployment....

Just like the Army, with Men who have had WAY too many deployments to shit zones... for adequate training and preparation time..

Obama has taken the edge off of, if not seriously damaged, our ability to wage war.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 31, 2016 11:55 AM (qf6WZ)

262 NAV AIR can get the catapult to work in NJ at Lakehurst.

ISTR NAVSEASYSCOM is working the solution. We had to change a system that works to get faster launch times and less steam usage for a system that is unproven and sends out a big "Here I Am" electrical pulse.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:56 AM (u82oZ)

263 "The electromagnetic catapult system still occasionally misfires which would mean during carrier operations an F-18E or an F-35 could get launched over the bow while not ready. The arresting gear equipment is also having issues of catching the planes as they try to land. "

But other than the inability to either launch, or recover aircraft reliably, everything is going peachy.

Well, that and the electrical distribution system having it's own issues too.

On the plus side, the LCD projector in the Diversity Training Room has been performing very reliably.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:57 AM (J+eG2)

264 There's a bunch of overlap going on in bowl game names, too. Originally, back when we made stuff in this country and cities were proud, you'd have a whole regional industry represented by a bowl game. Cotton, Orange. It wasn't the Fruit of The Loom Bowl or the Tropicana Bowl. Now you have those old names, with a sponsor in front. Sounds so cheap, if you're old.

Evansville Indiana used to be the refrigeration capital. They had a bowl game there for several years called the Refrigerator Bowl. Makes you wonder what Kohler, Wisconsin could have come up with (actually I think Clorox holds a trademark on the name now...)

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 31, 2016 11:57 AM (H5rtT)

265 Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:47 AM (Pz4pT)

Actually Israel was making some progress in the UN serving on some regional committees and just got elected a prestigious committee which I would have to look up to be honest. That is until Fredo/Kerry/Powers treachery.
And withdrawing would not relieve Israel of any of the negative consequences of UN Actions. The Up side may be minimal, but it does exist...there is no upside from withdrawing
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 11:51 AM (SjImc)

I think you answered my question, whether you realize it or not, whether you agree with it or not.

Here's my declarative statement: Lump the international diplomatic industrial complex with the media, Hollowwood, and Academia. These are the sources of power, ceded to the left.

It's time to destroy all of them.

Or... we can keep bowing and scraping to them. See how that works.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:57 AM (Pz4pT)

266 261 Don Q.

A feature, not a bug, for pbho. Sigh.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 11:58 AM (u82oZ)

267 I think you answered my question, whether you realize it or not, whether you agree with it or not.

Here's my declarative statement: Lump the international diplomatic industrial complex with the media, Hollowwood, and Academia. These are the sources of power, ceded to the left.

It's time to destroy all of them.

Or... we can keep bowing and scraping to them. See how that works.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2016 11:57 AM (Pz4pT)

Hey I got no use for the UN, but unless first destroy the UN Security Council your only asking for trouble.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 12:00 PM (SjImc)

268 I like that. "Almost". I wonder who he thinks the exceptions are?

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (sdi6R)
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The ones south, east and west of us.

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2016 12:00 PM (Ppvh7)

269 VIA. hopefully the coffee makers are still working aboard ship. Them not working would cause a mutiny and a lynching of NAVSEA

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 12:01 PM (x0mWT)

270 Is the entire Old Testament considered to be scripture?

The prophets unerring in their foretelling of events?

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2016 11:43 AM (gJ3Vg)

The analysis of the Old Testament by Talmudic scholars over the centuries has found inconsistencies....which isn't surprising. But in the main, yes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

I don't mean to bust in on a dialogue, but that reminded me of something I heard a while back from (atheist) former Christian theologian Robert Price. That the Second Temple built by Herod did not conform to the dimensions laid out in Ezekiel, which caused some Rabbinic scholars to doubt the canonicity of Ezekiel. At the very least, that shows they had the same notions of "prophet" that we have, ie. that they would foretell what was to come.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 31, 2016 12:02 PM (rH4JY)

271 But other than the inability to either launch, or recover aircraft reliably, everything is going peachy.

Well, that and the electrical distribution system having it's own issues too.

On the plus side, the LCD projector in the Diversity Training Room has been performing very reliably.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2016 11:57 AM (J+eG2)

Retired US Navy Electronics Tech here...

I would HATE to be stationed on that ship...

Radars are going to be going apeshit... and the transients on the power grid are going to be a major problem...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 31, 2016 12:02 PM (qf6WZ)

272 AnnA Puma.

We're good there.

How is the writing and publishing going?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2016 12:03 PM (u82oZ)

273 I would HATE to be stationed on that ship...

Radars are going to be going apeshit... and the transients on the power grid are going to be a major problem...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 31, 2016 12:02 PM (qf6WZ)

Will the Dental Clinic be up and running?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 12:03 PM (SjImc)

274 But if the US gets out of the UN, who is going to veto all the anti-Israel resolutions in the otherwise anti-Semitic Security Counsel? Perhaps just defunding many functions the UN "performs" serves a better purpose than getting out completely.
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Seems to me that the UN isn't useful for making deals. It's sucking our money away, and using their forces to rape women and children in war zones. To me, it just seems to be a political organization used to bully those they don't like.

We are stuck in the concept of "must go to the UN."

Why?

Stop our funding.

Let them move their hq somewhere nice, like Saudi Arabia. Or Iran.

Then... make deals outside of it.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at December 31, 2016 12:05 PM (Kd7bb)

275 273 I would HATE to be stationed on that ship...

Radars are going to be going apeshit... and the transients on the power grid are going to be a major problem...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 31, 2016 12:02 PM (qf6WZ)

Will the Dental Clinic be up and running?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 12:03 PM (SjImc)

Depends.... do you use electric drills... or have one of the old style foot pump ones? Like in Little Shop of Horrors?

Posted by: Don Q. at December 31, 2016 12:06 PM (qf6WZ)

276 Depends.... do you use electric drills... or have one of the old style foot pump ones? Like in Little Shop of Horrors?
Posted by: Don Q. at December 31, 2016 12:06 PM (qf6WZ)

Depends on which dental plan you chose? And how much you tip the Dental Officer in Charge?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2016 12:07 PM (SjImc)

277 Do ships with steam catapults have steam-powered coffee makers?!
Because, awesome. You could probably get millennials to volunteer!

OK I can see the point of a Tom Swift electric catapult on a turbine ship. There's no steam duh, and STOL is easier than VTOL. Any airplane is better than no airplane. Except for the ducks they flew off battleships.

But that EMP argument is a strong one. Especially considering, a carrier is a damned inviting target these days anyway. There may be a future for steam. Are there satellites that can focus on a catapult's steam shot? Don't think so.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 31, 2016 12:09 PM (H5rtT)

278 Read this news blurb on USS George Washington, the ship had its RCOH, which mean the ship reactors did not get their scheduled refueling, delayed a year so it spent 2016 playing training carrier and other things. THAT will wear a ship out along with the crew.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=98194

Salty Dawg, New Year's resolution is to get another novel all finished, polished up, and for sale.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2016 12:09 PM (x0mWT)

279 Are you an Israeli or an American?

Whoever said duel loyalty was just a myth never met an Evangelical Christian.

Posted by: AmericaFirst at December 31, 2016 10:37 AM (NayzG)
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I got to this point and saw that a storm was brewing. I don't believe AmericaFirst said anything in the least trollish or un-American. If so, I too am a troll and un-American.

As an evangelical Christian, I am called to obey the law, respect those in governmental authority over me, and to be a good citizen of the country in which I reside. But the President is not my King. The Constitution, as wonderful as it is, is not Holy Scripture. I live in America, I am an American, I love America. But I have a dual citizenship. In earthly terms, I am subject to American civil law. In eternal terms, I am a citizen of the Kingdom of God, and am subject to God's law. I may live under Caeser, but God is my King. If the two conflict with each other, I must choose the side of God.

I do not see what is controversial about that.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2016 12:09 PM (dFi94)

280 Well with "duel citizenship" your pistols have to match. So there's that.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 31, 2016 12:23 PM (H5rtT)

281 Muslims in the power of Satan want to drive a wedge between all Muslims and anyone who might in any form share the Gospel with them.

Counter that with Bridges by the Crescent Project. https://www.crescentproject.org/

The Word of God is so strong that even the Quran claims the New Testament (they call it the Injeel of Essa) is the word of God.

Posted by: Mike Morgan at December 31, 2016 01:47 PM (+B1Ea)

282 Carriers in dock! cue the Carry On Movies.......have you seen the price of bunker fuel lately,and they are not GREEN..Oh the Navy oh the Navy for a life on the ocean wave call GAYLORD
BOAT....................

Posted by: saf at December 31, 2016 01:55 PM (+zN6H)

283 I wish there was some place we could sign up to say "I'm with him," meaning Bibi.

Posted by: m at December 31, 2016 02:07 PM (3jGss)

284 That quote from Netanyahu sounds like it could have come from Trump, or Farage, or Orban.

Posted by: Pastorius at December 31, 2016 05:27 PM (gMAUH)

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